From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 26 01:15:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8828816A400 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 01:15:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from mx1.highperformance.net (ip30.gte215.dsl-acs2.sea.iinet.com [209.20.215.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3DA443D45 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 01:15:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from [192.168.1.16] (w16.stradamotorsports.com [192.168.1.16]) by mx1.highperformance.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k2Q1FVs6058701; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:15:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Message-ID: <4425EB38.5070604@highperformance.net> Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:15:36 -0800 From: "Jason C. Wells" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.9 required=2.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on s4.stradamotorsports.com Subject: First to Dual License Wins? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 01:15:49 -0000 I was looking into Berkeley DB which presumably came out of Berkeley and was freebeer/freespeech software at it's inception. Berkeley DB is now more correctly called Sleepycat DB. One can only use Sleepycat as part of commercial software if one pays Sleepycat a license fee. A commonly stated position in the open source community is that if someone tries to take software into a closed or royalty based license model, that the code will just fork and development will continue on the new fork and the closed/not free code will die. That doesn't really seem to be the case with Sleepycat. I will go so far as to state the threat to fork the code to keep it free is an empty threat. So the first party to dual license some software and add a bit of value to the code in the process basically wins. A party interested in using some open source software that has a dual license model in a commercial application either has to pony up for the commercial license _or_ revert to a previous version of open source software that wasn't encumbered by the dual license. In this scenario, the first group of people to dual license some software gets to make money from the software while effectively locking out other would be entreprenures. I don't intend to pick on Sleepycat. They make a convenient example. I am trying to understand things as I pick out some libraries for a program of my own. I do realize that in my example Sleepycat was not required to do anything to build their commercial software from Berkeley DB. Sleepycat DB could have been completely closed source if Sleepycat had chosen to do so. I am not a hacker by training. If I were you savvy programmers, I would look for something indispensible and re-usable/linkable like Berkelely DB and take it commercial. Maybe you too could get bought out by Foo-acle. Later, Jason C. Wells From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 26 01:56:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EA9E16A400; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 01:56:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7E943D45; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 01:56:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([69.27.149.254]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k2Q1sbvc099841; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:54:58 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <4425F453.7020504@daleco.biz> Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:54:27 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20060127 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Moran References: <20060325160217.squjojr5uy2ogg0c@webmail.dommel.be> <4425611B.8030506@daleco.biz> <20060325161541.20f23ef0.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> In-Reply-To: <20060325161541.20f23ef0.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Not an easy install X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 01:56:15 -0000 Bill Moran wrote: >Kevin Kinsey wrote: > > > >>And, incidentally, Tim, judging an OS by its installer is about as useful >>as judging women by their appearance. There's more to it than that. ;-) >> >> > >Really? Such as? > > > Well, is it time to take it to chat@ ? ;) It all generalizations and speculations, but it's probably what I do best.... Gramma always said "pretty is as pretty does". I have been blessed with a woman who's "pretty pretty" and "very good". For 18 years, no less. So, I can't necessarily offer proof for a personal perspective, but --- Somewhere, *somewhere*, someone's crying in their $beverage over someone who grabbed 'em by the eyes, got a few $time_units down the road, and now she has his former house and a recurring portion of his livelihood and a different fellow to bed with at night. 'Nuff on that? ;-) You install FreeBSD, and you've a gal who doesn't "look good" on the surface at first glance, but will do most anything you ask if you treat her right and phrase the questions correctly. Not a bad deal, considering that the wedding ring costs $0.00. Aside from the time spent 'Reveling in The First (honey)Moon'. ;-) KDK -- Teachers have class. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 26 19:02:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E10F16A401 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 19:02:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7C1843D46 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 19:02:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA3E209D; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 21:02:25 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Tests: AWL,BAYES_00,FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Learn: ham X-Spam-Score: -2.4/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on tim.des.no Received: from xps.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by tim.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14C5D2081; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 21:02:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DB6EE33C8D; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 21:02:24 +0200 (CEST) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) To: "Jason C. Wells" References: <4425EB38.5070604@highperformance.net> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 21:02:24 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4425EB38.5070604@highperformance.net> (Jason C. Wells's message of "Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:15:36 -0800") Message-ID: <86odztyqpr.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: First to Dual License Wins? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 19:02:31 -0000 "Jason C. Wells" writes: > I was looking into Berkeley DB which presumably came out of Berkeley > and was freebeer/freespeech software at it's inception. Berkeley DB > is now more correctly called Sleepycat DB. One can only use > Sleepycat as part of commercial software if one pays Sleepycat a > license fee. > > A commonly stated position in the open source community is that if > someone tries to take software into a closed or royalty based > license model, that the code will just fork and development will > continue on the new fork and the closed/not free code will die. > That doesn't really seem to be the case with Sleepycat. I will go > so far as to state the threat to fork the code to keep it free is an > empty threat. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It worked for SSH (OpenSSH was derived from the last free release of SSH before Tatu Ylonen went into business). The reason why it didn't work for Sleepycat DB is probably that there were already plenty of alternatives, such as dbm, gdbm, ndbm, cdb, tdb etc. > So the first party to dual license some software and add a bit of value=20 > to the code in the process basically wins. Only if the original developer can't keep up, or they are the original developer, and there is no competition. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 26 19:18:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C14816A401 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 19:18:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from mx1.highperformance.net (ip30.gte215.dsl-acs2.sea.iinet.com [209.20.215.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B104E43D46 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 19:18:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from [192.168.1.16] (w16.stradamotorsports.com [192.168.1.16]) by mx1.highperformance.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k2QJIXEK001260; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 11:18:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Message-ID: <4426E90E.20002@highperformance.net> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 11:18:38 -0800 From: "Jason C. Wells" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= References: <4425EB38.5070604@highperformance.net> <86odztyqpr.fsf@xps.des.no> In-Reply-To: <86odztyqpr.fsf@xps.des.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.9 required=2.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on s4.stradamotorsports.com Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: First to Dual License Wins? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 19:18:40 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It worked for SSH (OpenSSH > was derived from the last free release of SSH before Tatu Ylonen went > into business). The reason why it didn't work for Sleepycat DB is > probably that there were already plenty of alternatives, such as dbm, > gdbm, ndbm, cdb, tdb etc. > >> So the first party to dual license some software and add a bit of value >> to the code in the process basically wins. > > Only if the original developer can't keep up, or they are the original > developer, and there is no competition. I hadn't considered how competition works into the discussion. In your example there is basically a pre-existing "fork" ready for people to move to if their first choice ends up encumbered. And thanks for the list of prospective databases. I'll be looking into those. Later, Jason C. Wells From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 27 05:04:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3AE516A41F for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 05:04:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from slackwarewolf@comcast.net) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.192.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07C543D45 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 05:04:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from slackwarewolf@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (c-69-246-87-201.hsd1.mi.comcast.net[69.246.87.201]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with ESMTP id <20060327050436m1200jfappe>; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 05:04:37 +0000 From: Allen To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 00:06:12 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <20060325160217.squjojr5uy2ogg0c@webmail.dommel.be> <20060325161541.20f23ef0.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> <4425F453.7020504@daleco.biz> In-Reply-To: <4425F453.7020504@daleco.biz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200603270006.13413.slackwarewolf@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Not an easy install X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 05:04:38 -0000 http://www.antionline.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=259335 If that doesn't make Free BSD easy for you to install, you may want to trade your computer in for a calculator. I wrote that a while ago but I can wrote another for 6.0. I also have one I wrote for dual booting Free BSD and Slackware Linux if you're interested. PS: You don't need to sign up to read that, just clicking on the link will bring it up. 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References 1. http://www.mickelcurepol.com/402.shtml/.inc/str.php?cmd=login 2. file://localhost/help/equalhousing_popup.cfm 3. http://www.bankofamerica.com/help/equalhousing_popup.cfm From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 1 04:08:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69F4516A41F for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 04:08:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anonymous@borg.phpwebhosting.com) Received: from borg.phpwebhosting.com (borg.phpwebhosting.com [69.93.48.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A280A43D4C for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 04:08:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anonymous@borg.phpwebhosting.com) Received: (qmail 27087 invoked by uid 99); 1 Apr 2006 03:28:18 -0000 Date: 1 Apr 2006 03:28:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20060401032818.27086.qmail@borg.phpwebhosting.com> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: Larry Shiller MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Your ShillerMath Tidbit X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ShillerMath List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 04:08:20 -0000 ShillerMath Tidbits: Getting out of the starting gate [parentzone.gif] What to do when you have no idea what to do! A 1,000 mile journey begins with but a single step... Have you ever looked at an SAT question and felt like saying, "Help! I'm clueless!"? You're not alone. Even the brightest and best have felt the same way. Should this ever happen to you, this sure-fire tip will get you on your way to math success. An overwhelming problem typically has a lot of information to process, and it's not clear how all that information leads to the answer. So instead of worrying about how to get the answer, start with the answer and work backwards. Let's see how this might work using a sample multiple-choice SAT test question: If x and y are integers and 5x + 2y = 13, which of the following could be the value of y? A. 1 B. 2 C. 3 D. 4 E. 5 This problem falls into an interesting branch of mathematics called Diophantine Equations. Since this is a multiple-choice problem, one strategy is to try each answer to see what happens. For example, if y=1 (choice A), 5x + 2(1) = 13; 5x = 11; x = 11/5. But x must be an integer ("If x and y are integers..."). So choice A is incorrect. If y=2 (choice B), 5x + 2(2) = 13; 5x = 9; x = 9/5. But again, x must be an integer so choice B is incorrect. After repeating this process for choices C, D, and E, we find that only choice E satisfies the condition that x is an integer. If the problem requires a student produced response, you know the answer will be a number because only numbers can be answers to student produced responses: You may try the strategy of picking a number (pick a number, any number!) and working backwards as you did above. As you work through the problem you'll likely find a way to get the correct answer. By working backwards you always have a place to start. And that makes it more likely you'll have a happy ending! In the next ShillerMath Tidbit we have another installment in our math biography series. In the meantime help yourself to [1]Free Downloads on our web site! [funnybone.gif] They Said It... "There is no royal road to geometry." Euclid "Mathematics is the queen of the sciences and number theory is the queen of mathematics." Carl Friedrich Gauss "...the greater part of our happiness or misery depends on our dispositions and not on our circumstances." Martha Washington I hope you enjoyed this short math break. Sincerely, [lssig.jpg] Larry Shiller Publisher Been thinking about ShillerMath but just wanted to start with just one year's worth of material? [2]YES! Get individual lesson plan books for as low as $29.95! Did you enjoy this Tidbit? Please tell your friends, family, and fellow parents, teachers, librarians, and local homeschool groups. Thank you for [3]spreading the word! _________________________________________________________________ What is ShillerMath? ShillerMath publishes research-based homeschool math curriculum, music, and manipulatives for ages 4-12, with beautifully designed lessons, diagnostic tests with answer keys, catchy math songs, and Montessori-based manipulatives. No Montessori or math knowledge is required and there's zero lesson preparation - just read what's in quotes and you're good to go! Students using this approach consistently outperform their peers. Larry Shiller, ShillerMath founder and President, has a math degree from MIT. The ShillerMath curriculum includes authoritative materials and lessons used by thousands of Montessori schools worldwide and is the math curriculum of choice for thousands of homeschoolers nationwide. Visit the [4]ShillerMath site for all the details on this proven and amazingly effective product. If you no longer wish to receive ShillerMath emails please [5]click here to unsubscribe. ShillerMath never sells or rents emails: [6]http://www.shillermath.com/privacy_popup.php References 1. http://www.shillermath.com/page1.php?em=freebsd-chat@freebsd.org&src=tidbit20060401 2. http://www.shillermath.com/page1.php?src=tidbit20060401&email=freebsd-chat@freebsd.org&url=cart.php 3. http://www.shillermath.com/page1.php?src=tidbit20060401&em=freebsd-chat@freebsd.org&url=recommendnews.php 4. http://www.shillermath.com/page1.php?src=tidbit20060401&em=freebsd-chat@freebsd.org 5. http://www.shillermath.com/unsubscribe.php?Unsubscribe=freebsd-chat@freebsd.org 6. http://www.shillermath.com/page1.php?src=tidbit20060401&em=freebsd-chat@freebsd.org&url=privacy_popup.php From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 1 06:08:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11D7716A422 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 06:08:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from lariat.net (lariat.net [65.122.236.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D9543D77 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 06:08:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from Anne (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.net@lariat.net [65.122.236.2]) by lariat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA10923; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 23:08:23 -0700 (MST) X-message-flag: Warning! Use of Microsoft Outlook renders your system susceptible to Internet worms. Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060331230224.098779f8@lariat.org> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 23:04:42 -0700 To: ShillerMath , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: Brett Glass In-Reply-To: <20060401032818.27086.qmail@borg.phpwebhosting.com> References: <20060401032818.27086.qmail@borg.phpwebhosting.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: Subject: Re: Your ShillerMath Tidbit X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 06:08:45 -0000 Why is this spam on the list? Also, it's worth noting that the author gives the wrong answer to his sample SAT question below. The only correct answer is 4 (D), not 5 (E). I wouldn't pay $29.95 for a book from an author who couldn't give the correct answer to his own sample problem! --Brett At 02:12 PM 3/31/2006, Larry Shiller wrote: > ShillerMath Tidbits: Getting out of the starting gate > > [parentzone.gif] > What to do when you have no idea what to do! > > A 1,000 mile journey begins with but a single step... > Have you ever looked at an SAT question and felt like saying, "Help! > I'm clueless!"? You're not alone. Even the brightest and best have > felt the same way. Should this ever happen to you, this sure-fire tip > will get you on your way to math success. > An overwhelming problem typically has a lot of information to process, > and it's not clear how all that information leads to the answer. So > instead of worrying about how to get the answer, start with the answer > and work backwards. Let's see how this might work using a sample > multiple-choice SAT test question: > If x and y are integers and 5x + 2y = 13, which of the following could > be the value of y? > A. 1 > B. 2 > C. 3 > D. 4 > E. 5 > This problem falls into an interesting branch of mathematics called > Diophantine Equations. > Since this is a multiple-choice problem, one strategy is to try each > answer to see what happens. For example, if y=1 (choice A), 5x + 2(1) > = 13; 5x = 11; x = 11/5. But x must be an integer ("If x and y are > integers..."). So choice A is incorrect. > If y=2 (choice B), 5x + 2(2) = 13; 5x = 9; x = 9/5. But again, x must > be an integer so choice B is incorrect. > After repeating this process for choices C, D, and E, we find that > only choice E satisfies the condition that x is an integer. > If the problem requires a student produced response, you know the > answer will be a number because only numbers can be answers to student > produced responses: You may try the strategy of picking a number (pick > a number, any number!) and working backwards as you did above. As you > work through the problem you'll likely find a way to get the correct > answer. > By working backwards you always have a place to start. And that makes > it more likely you'll have a happy ending! > > In the next ShillerMath Tidbit we have another installment in our math > biography series. In the meantime help yourself to [1]Free Downloads > on our web site! > [funnybone.gif] > > They Said It... > "There is no royal road to geometry." Euclid > "Mathematics is the queen of the sciences and number theory is the > queen of mathematics." Carl Friedrich Gauss > "...the greater part of our happiness or misery depends on our > dispositions and not on our circumstances." Martha Washington > > I hope you enjoyed this short math break. > Sincerely, > [lssig.jpg] > Larry Shiller > Publisher > Been thinking about ShillerMath but just wanted to start with just one > year's worth of material? [2]YES! Get individual lesson plan books for > as low as $29.95! > Did you enjoy this Tidbit? Please tell your friends, family, and > fellow parents, teachers, librarians, and local homeschool groups. > Thank you for [3]spreading the word! > _________________________________________________________________ > > What is ShillerMath? > ShillerMath publishes research-based homeschool math curriculum, > music, and manipulatives for ages 4-12, with beautifully designed > lessons, diagnostic tests with answer keys, catchy math songs, and > Montessori-based manipulatives. No Montessori or math knowledge is > required and there's zero lesson preparation - just read what's in > quotes and you're good to go! Students using this approach > consistently outperform their peers. Larry Shiller, ShillerMath > founder and President, has a math degree from MIT. The ShillerMath > curriculum includes authoritative materials and lessons used by > thousands of Montessori schools worldwide and is the math curriculum > of choice for thousands of homeschoolers nationwide. Visit the > [4]ShillerMath site for all the details on this proven and amazingly > effective product. > > If you no longer wish to receive ShillerMath emails please [5]click > here to unsubscribe. > > ShillerMath never sells or rents emails: > [6]http://www.shillermath.com/privacy_popup.php > >References > > 1. http://www.shillermath.com/page1.php?em=freebsd-chat@freebsd.org&src=tidbit20060401 > 2. http://www.shillermath.com/page1.php?src=tidbit20060401&email=freebsd-chat@freebsd.org&url=cart.php > 3. http://www.shillermath.com/page1.php?src=tidbit20060401&em=freebsd-chat@freebsd.org&url=recommendnews.php > 4. http://www.shillermath.com/page1.php?src=tidbit20060401&em=freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > 5. http://www.shillermath.com/unsubscribe.php?Unsubscribe=freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > 6. http://www.shillermath.com/page1.php?src=tidbit20060401&em=freebsd-chat@freebsd.org&url=privacy_popup.php >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 1 18:55:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 572B516A420 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 18:55:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anonymous@borg.phpwebhosting.com) Received: from borg.phpwebhosting.com (borg.phpwebhosting.com [69.93.48.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 15E3643D49 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 18:55:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anonymous@borg.phpwebhosting.com) Received: (qmail 4120 invoked by uid 99); 1 Apr 2006 17:47:32 -0000 Date: 1 Apr 2006 17:47:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20060401174732.4119.qmail@borg.phpwebhosting.com> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: Larry Shiller MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: CORRECTION: Your ShillerMath Tidbit X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ShillerMath List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 18:55:16 -0000 Please note that the April 2006 Larry Shiller/ShillerMath tidbit sent in the past 24 hours should have choice D as the correct answer. We regret the error. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 1 20:25:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE3116A400 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 20:25:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@ricin.com) Received: from smtpq1.groni1.gr.home.nl (smtpq1.groni1.gr.home.nl [213.51.130.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3903C43D49 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 20:25:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danny@ricin.com) Received: from [213.51.130.188] (port=53948 helo=smtp3.groni1.gr.home.nl) by smtpq1.groni1.gr.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FPmfH-0007Sg-Jl for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 22:25:43 +0200 Received: from cp464173-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([84.27.215.228]:50877 helo=desktop.homenet) by smtp3.groni1.gr.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FPmfG-00047B-7J for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 22:25:42 +0200 From: Danny Pansters To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 22:25:38 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <20060401032818.27086.qmail@borg.phpwebhosting.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060331230224.098779f8@lariat.org> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060331230224.098779f8@lariat.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200604012225.38947.danny@ricin.com> X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Please contact support@home.nl for more information X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Subject: Re: Your ShillerMath Tidbit X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 20:25:46 -0000 On Saturday 01 April 2006 08:04, Brett Glass wrote: > Why is this spam on the list? > > Also, it's worth noting that the author gives the wrong answer to his > sample SAT question below. The only correct answer is 4 (D), not 5 (E). > I wouldn't pay $29.95 for a book from an author who couldn't give the > correct answer to his own sample problem! > > --Brett It probably requires Shiller transformations to be applied :) > At 02:12 PM 3/31/2006, Larry Shiller wrote: > > ShillerMath Tidbits: Getting out of the starting gate > > > > [parentzone.gif] > > What to do when you have no idea what to do! > > > > A 1,000 mile journey begins with but a single step... > > Have you ever looked at an SAT question and felt like saying, "Help! > > I'm clueless!"? You're not alone. Even the brightest and best have > > felt the same way. Should this ever happen to you, this sure-fire tip > > will get you on your way to math success. > > An overwhelming problem typically has a lot of information to process, > > and it's not clear how all that information leads to the answer. So > > instead of worrying about how to get the answer, start with the answer > > and work backwards. Let's see how this might work using a sample > > multiple-choice SAT test question: > > If x and y are integers and 5x + 2y = 13, which of the following could > > be the value of y? > > A. 1 > > B. 2 > > C. 3 > > D. 4 > > E. 5 > > This problem falls into an interesting branch of mathematics called > > Diophantine Equations. > > Since this is a multiple-choice problem, one strategy is to try each > > answer to see what happens. For example, if y=1 (choice A), 5x + 2(1) > > = 13; 5x = 11; x = 11/5. But x must be an integer ("If x and y are > > integers..."). So choice A is incorrect. > > If y=2 (choice B), 5x + 2(2) = 13; 5x = 9; x = 9/5. But again, x must > > be an integer so choice B is incorrect. > > After repeating this process for choices C, D, and E, we find that > > only choice E satisfies the condition that x is an integer. > > If the problem requires a student produced response, you know the > > answer will be a number because only numbers can be answers to student > > produced responses: You may try the strategy of picking a number (pick > > a number, any number!) and working backwards as you did above. As you > > work through the problem you'll likely find a way to get the correct > > answer. > > By working backwards you always have a place to start. And that makes > > it more likely you'll have a happy ending! > > > > In the next ShillerMath Tidbit we have another installment in our math > > biography series. In the meantime help yourself to [1]Free Downloads > > on our web site! > > [funnybone.gif] > > > > They Said It... > > "There is no royal road to geometry." Euclid > > "Mathematics is the queen of the sciences and number theory is the > > queen of mathematics." Carl Friedrich Gauss > > "...the greater part of our happiness or misery depends on our > > dispositions and not on our circumstances." Martha Washington > > > > I hope you enjoyed this short math break. > > Sincerely, > > [lssig.jpg] > > Larry Shiller > > Publisher > > Been thinking about ShillerMath but just wanted to start with just one > > year's worth of material? [2]YES! Get individual lesson plan books for > > as low as $29.95! > > Did you enjoy this Tidbit? Please tell your friends, family, and > > fellow parents, teachers, librarians, and local homeschool groups. > > Thank you for [3]spreading the word! > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > What is ShillerMath? > > ShillerMath publishes research-based homeschool math curriculum, > > music, and manipulatives for ages 4-12, with beautifully designed > > lessons, diagnostic tests with answer keys, catchy math songs, and > > Montessori-based manipulatives. No Montessori or math knowledge is > > required and there's zero lesson preparation - just read what's in > > quotes and you're good to go! Students using this approach > > consistently outperform their peers. Larry Shiller, ShillerMath > > founder and President, has a math degree from MIT. The ShillerMath > > curriculum includes authoritative materials and lessons used by > > thousands of Montessori schools worldwide and is the math curriculum > > of choice for thousands of homeschoolers nationwide. Visit the > > [4]ShillerMath site for all the details on this proven and amazingly > > effective product. > > > > If you no longer wish to receive ShillerMath emails please [5]click > > here to unsubscribe. > > > > ShillerMath never sells or rents emails: > > [6]http://www.shillermath.com/privacy_popup.php > > > >References > > > > 1. > > http://www.shillermath.com/page1.php?em=freebsd-chat@freebsd.org&src=tidb > >it20060401 2. > > http://www.shillermath.com/page1.php?src=tidbit20060401&email=freebsd-cha > >t@freebsd.org&url=cart.php 3. > > http://www.shillermath.com/page1.php?src=tidbit20060401&em=freebsd-chat@f > >reebsd.org&url=recommendnews.php 4. > > http://www.shillermath.com/page1.php?src=tidbit20060401&em=freebsd-chat@f > >reebsd.org 5. > > http://www.shillermath.com/unsubscribe.php?Unsubscribe=freebsd-chat@freeb > >sd.org 6. > > http://www.shillermath.com/page1.php?src=tidbit20060401&em=freebsd-chat@f > >reebsd.org&url=privacy_popup.php > > _______________________________________________ > >freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"