From owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 17 20:40:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A458A16A47B for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 20:40:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from user@dhp.com) Received: from shell.dhp.com (shell.dhp.com [199.4.150.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7754343CA1 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 20:40:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from user@dhp.com) Received: by shell.dhp.com (Postfix, from userid 896) id B1C9C26374; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:39:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:39:54 -0500 (EST) From: Ensel Sharon To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: legal use of vmware on FreeBSD _not possible_ (informational) X-BeenThere: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Development of Emulators of other operating systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 20:40:32 -0000 This post is simply an effort to get information archived on the net so that it is searchable, etc. Summary: Circa 2006, FreeBSD 6.1/6.2, it is not possible to legally run vmware on FreeBSD, and has not been for at least two years. For reasons difficult to discern, FreeBSD has not put any priority at all on support for vmware, and for continuing the working, usable support for vmware3 running in linux binary compat mode. This method worked well several years ago, and was (reasonably) up to date with a modern vmware release. At this time no modern version of vmware can be run on FreeBSD. Further, vmware has discontinued all support and sales of vmware3 and it is _impossible_ to purchase a license for this product. It is also (essentially) impossible to find vmware3 for sale as a used software product. The only possibility of running vmware of any kind on FreeBSD is to run a very old version, and EVEN THEN, it is not a possibility unless you are holding in your hands, right now, a physical copy of the software. Your only other option is to break the law and run a pirated/stolen (old) version of vmware. Again, the decision to completely dismiss and abandon vmware support and the needs of FreeBSD users everywhere that increasingly need to emulate linux, solaris, etc., is a baffling one. Whatever the reasons behind it, the results are clear: no vmware for FreeBSD unless you are a lucky one that bought the software 4-5 years ago, or you steal it. From owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 17 21:16:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1608F16A412 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 21:16:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail2.fluidhosting.com (mx21.fluidhosting.com [204.14.89.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 59BEB43CAE for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 21:16:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 17134 invoked by uid 399); 17 Dec 2006 21:16:39 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO ?192.168.0.5?) (dougb@dougbarton.us@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 21:16:39 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 127.0.0.1 Message-ID: <4585B3AC.30105@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 13:16:28 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.freebsd.org/ User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (X11/20061215) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ensel Sharon References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Subject: Re: legal use of vmware on FreeBSD _not possible_ (informational) X-BeenThere: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Development of Emulators of other operating systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 21:16:33 -0000 Ensel Sharon wrote: > For reasons difficult to discern, FreeBSD has not put any priority at all > on support for vmware, and for continuing the working, usable support for > vmware3 running in linux binary compat mode. It's not difficult to discern at all. This is a volunteer project. No one has volunteered to maintain this. Q.E.D. > Your only other option is to break the law Please don't give legal advice. You're obviously not a lawyer, and you obviously don't understand the law. > Again, the decision to completely dismiss and abandon vmware support No such decision has been made. See above. > and > the needs of FreeBSD users everywhere that increasingly need to emulate > linux, solaris, etc., is a baffling one. There are other emulators in the ports right now that work pretty well. I'm far from an expert, but qemu looks promising, and there actually is development work happening to get xen working for FreeBSD. If someone steps up and does the work to get newer vmware working, it will likely be welcomed with open arms. Hope this helps, Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection From owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 17 21:47:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8ADF16A4CA; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 21:47:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from user@dhp.com) Received: from shell.dhp.com (shell.dhp.com [199.4.150.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8946043F2C; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 21:36:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from user@dhp.com) Received: by shell.dhp.com (Postfix, from userid 896) id AD91A263C9; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:35:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:35:37 -0500 (EST) From: Ensel Sharon To: Doug Barton In-Reply-To: <4585B3AC.30105@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Subject: Re: legal use of vmware on FreeBSD _not possible_ (informational) X-BeenThere: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Development of Emulators of other operating systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 21:47:42 -0000 On Sun, 17 Dec 2006, Doug Barton wrote: > Ensel Sharon wrote: > > > For reasons difficult to discern, FreeBSD has not put any priority at all > > on support for vmware, and for continuing the working, usable support for > > vmware3 running in linux binary compat mode. > > It's not difficult to discern at all. This is a volunteer project. No > one has volunteered to maintain this. Q.E.D. It's difficult to discern why it has been allowed to degrade. Circa 2001, you could have a reasonably up to date emulation environment under vmware on FreeBSD. At the time vmware3 was a modern version and it worked quite well under FreeBSD 4.x. Circa 2006 you have no chance. In the 5-year period between those two dates, the need for emulation and hosting of environments and other OSs has, without question, increased dramatically. So if there was never any support to begin with, then fine - obviously that's the breaks. But to let existing (important) functionality decline to unusability is hard to justify. > > Your only other option is to break the law > > Please don't give legal advice. You're obviously not a lawyer, and you > obviously don't understand the law. Wrong. I embarked on a two month long quest with vmware to get them to please, please just let me pay them money for a 3.0 license. It can't be done. I was advised in _no uncertain terms_ that if I found some other way to obtain a v3.x license I would be _breaking the law_. If you have an issue with how vmware protects their licenses, take it up with them (I did) (and failed). Don't shoot the messenger. From owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 17 21:59:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E43A16A611 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 21:59:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail2.fluidhosting.com (mx21.fluidhosting.com [204.14.89.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7715743EBC for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 21:57:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 25598 invoked by uid 399); 17 Dec 2006 21:57:43 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO ?192.168.0.5?) (dougb@dougbarton.us@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 21:57:43 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 127.0.0.1 Message-ID: <4585BD4C.2030604@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 13:57:32 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.freebsd.org/ User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (X11/20061215) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ensel Sharon References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Subject: Re: legal use of vmware on FreeBSD _not possible_ (informational) X-BeenThere: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Development of Emulators of other operating systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 21:59:36 -0000 Ensel Sharon wrote: > > On Sun, 17 Dec 2006, Doug Barton wrote: > >> Ensel Sharon wrote: >> >>> For reasons difficult to discern, FreeBSD has not put any priority at all >>> on support for vmware, and for continuing the working, usable support for >>> vmware3 running in linux binary compat mode. >> It's not difficult to discern at all. This is a volunteer project. No >> one has volunteered to maintain this. Q.E.D. > > > It's difficult to discern why it has been allowed to degrade. Apparently you didn't read the paragraph you quoted above. >>> Your only other option is to break the law >> Please don't give legal advice. You're obviously not a lawyer, and you >> obviously don't understand the law. > > > Wrong. I don't care how much you think you understand about vmware licensing terms. Your statement, "Your only other option is to break the law" clearly demonstrates that you don't actually understand anything about _the law_, which is what I suggested that you stop giving advice about. > I embarked on a two month long quest with vmware to get them to > please, please just let me pay them money for a 3.0 license. It can't be > done. I was advised in _no uncertain terms_ that if I found some other > way to obtain a v3.x license I would be _breaking the law_. -- This .signature sanitized for your protection From owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 17 22:23:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE0C16A494; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:23:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhein@timing.com) Received: from Daffy.timing.com (w.timing.com [206.168.13.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD14E43F0C; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:19:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhein@timing.com) Received: from gromit.timing.com (gromit.timing.com [206.168.13.209]) by Daffy.timing.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBHMJSYY058408; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:19:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jhein@timing.com) Received: from gromit.timing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gromit.timing.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBHMJNB6099262; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:19:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jhein@gromit.timing.com) Received: (from jhein@localhost) by gromit.timing.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id kBHMJNnn099259; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:19:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jhein) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17797.49770.978675.595537@gromit.timing.com> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:19:22 -0700 From: John E Hein To: Ensel Sharon In-Reply-To: References: <4585B3AC.30105@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 22.0.50.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on Daffy.timing.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Subject: Re: legal use of vmware on FreeBSD _not possible_ (informational) X-BeenThere: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Development of Emulators of other operating systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:23:48 -0000 Ensel Sharon wrote at 16:35 -0500 on Dec 17, 2006: > It's difficult to discern why it has been allowed to degrade. I think Doug explained that fairly clearly. Back a few years ago there were a couple people who did work to get vmware to run on FreeBSD. For whatever reason, those same people are not doing so today. The most likely answer is that they have different priorities and needs now, and work on different things. There also may be PRs that exist that may address today's problems with VMware on FreeBSD. That said, there are people actively working linux emulation in general. It would probably be more useful if you explained to this list what issues you had when trying to run vmware (e.g., any error output, kernel messages, ktrace results, OS version, etc.). From owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 17 22:42:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2FA916A407 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:42:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B78FB43CA1 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:42:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.13.6/8.13.8) id kBHMZ0tZ035219; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:35:00 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:35:00 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: Ensel Sharon Message-ID: <20061217223500.GI43992@dan.emsphone.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-OS: FreeBSD 6.2-PRERELEASE X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Subject: Re: legal use of vmware on FreeBSD _not possible_ (informational) X-BeenThere: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Development of Emulators of other operating systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:42:04 -0000 In the last episode (Dec 17), Ensel Sharon said: > This post is simply an effort to get information archived on the net so > that it is searchable, etc. > > Summary: Circa 2006, FreeBSD 6.1/6.2, it is not possible to legally run > vmware on FreeBSD, and has not been for at least two years. > > For reasons difficult to discern, FreeBSD has not put any priority at all > on support for vmware, and for continuing the working, usable support for > vmware3 running in linux binary compat mode. This method worked well > several years ago, and was (reasonably) up to date with a modern vmware > release. Why not point the "blame" at the other party and say "For reasons difficult to discern, VMWare has not put any priority at all on support for FreeBSD" :) I'd say there are less than 2 dozen different operating systems (all Linux distros count as 1) on the planet they would have to support, whereas the FreeBSD community has over 16000 ports to keep track of. Why blame FreeBSD when VMware releases a new product not compatible with their previous version? > At this time no modern version of vmware can be run on FreeBSD. Further, > vmware has discontinued all support and sales of vmware3 and it is > _impossible_ to purchase a license for this product. It is also > (essentially) impossible to find vmware3 for sale as a used software > product. > > The only possibility of running vmware of any kind on FreeBSD is to run a > very old version, and EVEN THEN, it is not a possibility unless you are > holding in your hands, right now, a physical copy of the software. > > Your only other option is to break the law and run a pirated/stolen > (old) version of vmware. > > Again, the decision to completely dismiss and abandon vmware support and > the needs of FreeBSD users everywhere that increasingly need to emulate > linux, solaris, etc., is a baffling one. Whatever the reasons behind it, > the results are clear: no vmware for FreeBSD unless you are a lucky one > that bought the software 4-5 years ago, or you steal it. Implying a willful decision by FreeBSD developers to "abandon vmware support" is the wrong conclusion, I think. A more likely conclusion is that the person that maintained the vmware3 port has not submitted a vmware4 port, for reasons unknown to anyone but him. Ports are kept up-to-date by that port's maintainer, and any other interested people. That no vmware4 port has appeared is either an indication of the lack of interest in running vmware (possibly due to other virtualization software like qemu), or the difficulty of porting vmware4. Have you tried the partial vmware 4 patches on the web page of the vmware3 port maintainer? http://www.break.net/orlando/freebsd.html -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 17 22:48:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C380A16A403; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:48:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from user@dhp.com) Received: from shell.dhp.com (shell.dhp.com [199.4.150.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84A3243CA5; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:48:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from user@dhp.com) Received: by shell.dhp.com (Postfix, from userid 896) id 5AFCF263D0; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 17:48:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 17:48:31 -0500 (EST) From: Ensel Sharon To: Doug Barton In-Reply-To: <4585BD4C.2030604@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Subject: Re: legal use of vmware on FreeBSD _not possible_ (informational) X-BeenThere: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Development of Emulators of other operating systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:48:40 -0000 On Sun, 17 Dec 2006, Doug Barton wrote: > I don't care how much you think you understand about vmware licensing > terms. Your statement, "Your only other option is to break the law" > clearly demonstrates that you don't actually understand anything about > _the law_, which is what I suggested that you stop giving advice about. I'm sorry. I'm not being clear. What I am trying to say is that I spent _months_ on the phone with vmware begging various people to please, please let me buy vmware3 from them. They refused. They said there was no way. Couldn't be done. (Repeat every few days for several weeks) So I finally gave up and just asked them point blank: "Is there any way possible to get a legal copy of vmware 3 from any source besides you ?" "No" The end. It's not my opinion. It's not my advice. It's not my conjecture. It's not my interpretation. I went straight to the source and that was the answer. It sounds like it bothers you even more than it bothers me. From owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 18 07:48:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5120716A40F for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 07:48:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexander@leidinger.net) Received: from redbull.bpaserver.net (redbullneu.bpaserver.net [213.198.78.217]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 704B243CA4 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 07:46:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from alexander@leidinger.net) Received: from outgoing.leidinger.net (p54A5FCD7.dip.t-dialin.net [84.165.252.215]) by redbull.bpaserver.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3032E146; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 08:17:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail.leidinger.net (webmail.Leidinger.net [192.168.1.102]) by outgoing.leidinger.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 743F45B480D; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 08:17:09 +0100 (CET) Received: (from www@localhost) by webmail.leidinger.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id kBI7H9hm055801; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 08:17:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from pslux.cec.eu.int (pslux.cec.eu.int [158.169.9.14]) by webmail.leidinger.net (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 08:17:09 +0100 Message-ID: <20061218081709.uq5cspny6840kogk@webmail.leidinger.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 08:17:09 +0100 From: Alexander Leidinger To: John E Hein References: <4585B3AC.30105@FreeBSD.org> <17797.49770.978675.595537@gromit.timing.com> In-Reply-To: <17797.49770.978675.595537@gromit.timing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) / FreeBSD-7.0 X-BPAnet-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-BPAnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-BPAnet-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-14.864, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -15.00, DK_POLICY_SIGNSOME 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14) X-BPAnet-MailScanner-From: alexander@leidinger.net X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org, Ensel Sharon Subject: linuxulator problem report HOWTO (Was: Re: legal use of vmware on FreeBSD _not possible_ (informational)) X-BeenThere: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Development of Emulators of other operating systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 07:48:16 -0000 Quoting John E Hein (from Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:19:22 -0700= ): > That said, there are people actively working linux emulation in > general. It would probably be more useful if you explained to this > list what issues you had when trying to run vmware (e.g., any error > output, kernel messages, ktrace results, OS version, etc.). Yes please. The most bang for the buck we would get if this is done on =20 -current/i386. Any linuxulator related problem with a real world =20 application gets typically more priority than a problem encountered =20 with the linux test project testcases we use. A first report should include the OS version (and the day of the =20 source update), the failing application, kernel messages and a simple =20 way of reproducing it (in case the application is freely available). Bye, Alexander. --=20 BOFH excuse #289: Interference between the keyboard and the chair http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net: PGP ID =3D B0063FE7 http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild @ FreeBSD.org : PGP ID =3D 72077137 From owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 18 11:08:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEDF616A527 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:08:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [69.147.83.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0853743CC5 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:08:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (linimon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kBIB8Meu089873 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:08:22 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from linimon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id kBIB8KDQ089869 for freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:08:20 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:08:20 GMT Message-Id: <200612181108.kBIB8KDQ089869@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: linimon set sender to owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Current problem reports assigned to you X-BeenThere: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Development of Emulators of other operating systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:08:51 -0000 Current FreeBSD problem reports Critical problems Serious problems S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o kern/21463 emulation [linux] Linux compatability mode should not allow setu o kern/77710 emulation [linux] Linux page fault sigcontext information is wro o kern/101453 emulation [linux] [patch] linprocfs disallows non-zero file offs f ports/102474 emulation linux_base-fc-4_8 appears broken, does not allow to ru o kern/102956 emulation [linux] [patch] Add partial support for SO_PEERCRED in 5 problems total. Non-critical problems S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o kern/11165 emulation [ibcs2] IBCS2 doesn't work correctly with PID_MAX 9999 o kern/29698 emulation [linux] [patch] linux ipcs doesn'work o kern/39201 emulation [linux] [patch] ptrace(2) and rfork(RFLINUXTHPN) confu o kern/41543 emulation [patch] feature request: easier wine/w23 support o kern/55835 emulation [linux] [patch] Linux IPC emulation missing SETALL sys a kern/72920 emulation [linux]: path "prefixing" is not done on unix domain s o kern/73777 emulation [linux] [patch] linux emulation: root dir special hand o kern/91293 emulation [svr4] [patch] *Experimental* Update to the SVR4 emula 8 problems total. From owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 18 21:47:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741E416A40F for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 21:47:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tbourke@triptrop.cse.unsw.edu.au) Received: from note.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU (note.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU [129.94.242.24]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9425743CA0 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 21:45:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tbourke@triptrop.cse.unsw.edu.au) Received: From triptrop.cse.unsw.edu.au ([129.94.175.2] == uservpn.cse.unsw.EDU.AU) (for ) By note With Smtp ; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 08:28:37 +1100 Received: from triptrop.cse.unsw.edu.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by triptrop.cse.unsw.edu.au (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBI9SWIX001448 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 20:28:32 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from tbourke@triptrop.cse.unsw.edu.au) Received: (from tbourke@localhost) by triptrop.cse.unsw.edu.au (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id kBI9SV94001447 for freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 20:28:31 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from tbourke) From: Timothy Bourke To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 20:28:29 +1100 Message-ID: <20061218092829.GA762@triptrop.cse.unsw.EDU.AU> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org References: <20061215040136.GA2466@triptrop.wlan.in.nicta.com.au> <20061215111523.bh59htm680ok4gk8@webmail.leidinger.net> <20061215173644.GA87389@stud.fit.vutbr.cz> <20061216170109.6bf0da68@Magellan.Leidinger.net> <20061216180611.505bef96@Magellan.Leidinger.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AhhlLboLdkugWU4S" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20061216180611.505bef96@Magellan.Leidinger.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-PGP-Key: http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~tbourke/pubkey.txt Subject: Re: X11 through nullfs under chroot X-BeenThere: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Development of Emulators of other operating systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 21:47:20 -0000 --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Dec 16 at 18:06 +0100, Alexander Leidinger wrote: > Ooops... forgot to say: no linuxolator involved. So it is a bug in > nullfs in the first place, and if this works at some point in time, we > can have a look if the linuxolator works too. It seems that you're right. I worked through the socket code last night only to find more information through the PR web interface today. I posted a follow-up anyway. > Timothy: For now do a hardlink if possible. Unfortunately different partitions are involved. I've crudely adapted the kern/51583 patch for now. I appreciate your help. 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Thanks= to our wide range of packaging & our strong network of factories in China, = we can meet any and all of your packaging needs. ------=_Part_498_240781314.1166537152000-- From owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 19 17:49:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F0DA16A403 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:49:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from swhetzel@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.225]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C6C43C9F for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:49:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from swhetzel@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i11so756259nzh for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 09:49:52 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=P7OXvMCn7sTD8VLNc3yKXWF6oz0Na0m64/UUclRtq0PPIHJ19nGU7FLzylZj0/oKwF2KBhb4LyVW6ZWcdKuNcF2ikk93XyossMEnamV4PC/QwBJfdU9mCS/dS0Q7b+I5JDAz/P7vlHMp3adJZPHnGJ1ccoX5HU6XDH8czvDag/8= Received: by 10.65.193.16 with SMTP id v16mr7609382qbp.1166548976587; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 09:22:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.61.1 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 09:22:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <790a9fff0612190922t1f4a3fa1m44092944485297f7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 11:22:56 -0600 From: "Scot Hetzel" To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_3827_27566908.1166548976559" Subject: linuxolator: implement settimeofday call on FreeBSD/amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Development of Emulators of other operating systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:49:53 -0000 ------=_Part_3827_27566908.1166548976559 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I noticed that the settimeofday call in the linuxolator is implemented on FreeBSD/i386, but it is missing from FreeBSD/amd64. The attached patch implements the function on FreeBSD/amd64. I have run this change thru the LTP testcases settimeofday01, and settimeofday02. Currently, it is failing one test in settimeofday01 due to it taking 24-30 minutes to complete and hangs the system for that duration of time. The test expects the difference between what it set the time to (100 sec, 100 msec) and what it gets back from gettimeofday to be within -500 and +500 msec. So far it looks to be a bug in the FreeBSD kern_settimeofday function, and not in the code that I used to implement the linux_settimeofday function. As I had rewritten the testcase to run on FreeBSD, and it also hung the system for the same amount of time. Scot -- DISCLAIMER: No electrons were mamed while sending this message. 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The attached > patch implements the function on FreeBSD/amd64. makes me wonder... what is MD on this code? I dont see anything From owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 01:21:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ACDF16A403 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 01:21:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tbourke@triptrop.cse.unsw.edu.au) Received: from note.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU (note.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU [129.94.242.24]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9769143C9F for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 01:21:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tbourke@triptrop.cse.unsw.edu.au) Received: From triptrop.cse.unsw.edu.au ([129.94.175.153]) (for ) By note With Smtp ; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:21:39 +1100 Received: from triptrop.cse.unsw.edu.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by triptrop.cse.unsw.edu.au (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBK1KSV8099743 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:20:28 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from tbourke@triptrop.cse.unsw.edu.au) Received: (from tbourke@localhost) by triptrop.cse.unsw.edu.au (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id kBK1KS17099740 for freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:20:28 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from tbourke) From: Timothy Bourke To: freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:20:28 +1100 Message-ID: <20061220012028.GC799@triptrop.wlan.in.nicta.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="H8ygTp4AXg6deix2" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-PGP-Key: http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~tbourke/pubkey.txt Cc: Subject: utimes affects permissions under emulators/linux_dist-gentoo-state3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Development of Emulators of other operating systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 01:21:44 -0000 --H8ygTp4AXg6deix2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Under FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p11 with linux_dist-gentoo-stage3-2006.0_2, I find that, on my laptop at least, files installed by portage have incorrect permissions. It seems that the problem can be reduced to utimes(). The following program also unexpectedly changes file permissions but not m/atimes: #include int main(int argc, char** argv) { struct timeval timep[2]; timep[0].tv_sec = timep[1].tv_sec = 3600; timep[0].tv_usec = timep[1].tv_usec = 0; if (argc > 1) utimes(argv[1], timep); return 0; } e.g. # chroot /usr/local/gentoo-stage3 /bin/bash # cc -o utimestest utimestest.c # touch blah # chmod 644; ls -l blah -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Dec 20 00:55 blah # ./utimestest blah; ls -l blah -r--rwS--- 1 root root 0 Dec 20 00:55 blah This happens regardless of whether the executable is run inside or outside a chroot. The executable works as expected if compiled under FreeBSD. Before investigating further, possibly trying the utimes linuxulator patch posted earlier, I wonder whether anybody else has had a similar problem? Tim. --H8ygTp4AXg6deix2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFiI/ctKVK1sFb0ecRAgaLAJ9lBxtW3ebLFtMeq46JEbgZ4C5YkgCfc58d oRlC/sot0jJm86K6rNo+aPA= =yfnF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --H8ygTp4AXg6deix2-- From owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 21 14:22:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F48C16A407 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:22:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aterizak@free.fr) Received: from postfix1-g20.free.fr (postfix1-g20.free.fr [212.27.60.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE4F13C41A for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:22:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aterizak@free.fr) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml-g19.proxad.net [212.27.60.41]) by postfix1-g20.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6482659425 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 09:16:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63A96C2E0F for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 09:12:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from ml-g19 by ml-g19 (LISTAR/0.42); Thu, 21 Dec 2006 09:12:57 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 09:12:57 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Message-ID: X-listar-antiloop: ml-g19 Precedence: list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Expiry-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 09:12:57 +0100 (CET) Subject: Listar command results: -- Binary/unsupported file stripped by Listar -- X-BeenThere: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Development of Emulators of other operating systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:22:18 -0000 Request received for list 'lovehina' via request address. >> lSStxx/Ft9<̮僻<˿,d Unknown command. >> j0ܕ䈸ս[nn ֆ!>D Unknown command. >> yM3zK&m`->t>%)9HM9 {]v,M_^[ӤAaGhavL.f׺v >> kZ{}R` /CQ|k Unknown command. >> <0SkPhԬD괗Mf(B> >BmHV?<<Е;COBnJDm%gpX>I"n_IzMW:[ofBۏVmo?ИYɆF Unknown command. --- Gestionnaire de liste Listar/0.42 - fin de traitement/job execution complete. From owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 23 19:27:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: emulation@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D85E16A40F for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 19:27:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C34C13C44E for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 19:27:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so2805891uge for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 11:27:51 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=OhJUybMWLW4YgTPegppVX3N8TP+FXybka8cNunCYiU1htOGiEOaGzMaH6ZxLXkoDcYDerzu92Hc8DnAS9kM/k7BF93c8xgkU8BoAwG3M1wfm5dAKJhvNBhyJBe1I9jEiynP1D+ZuRI98NFUlmhU7DYMYkfmxZbVDFnAEeBNBMmU= Received: by 10.78.160.2 with SMTP id i2mr966359hue.1166900586985; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 11:03:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.167.16 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 11:03:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 22:03:06 +0300 From: "Andrew Pantyukhin" Sender: infofarmer@gmail.com To: emulation@FreeBSD.org, eclipse@FreeBSD.org, ia64@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: c7cb24d2550570c0 Cc: Subject: Overlong mailing-list maintainer address in ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Development of Emulators of other operating systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 19:27:53 -0000 It is by tradition that we use shorter unambiguous mailing-list addresses as port's maintainers ad- dresses. There are several ports with the following long addresses in the collection: freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.org freebsd-eclipse@FreeBSD.org freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org Please change them to their counterparts without the "freebsd-" prefix, give me a go-ahead if you want me to change them, leave this message unan- swered if you don't care (I'll change them after a time-out), or speak up if you have anything against the change. Thanks! From owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 23 20:07:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: emulation@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD9D016A412; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 20:07:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@bsam.ru) Received: from mail.kuban.ru (mail.kuban.ru [62.183.66.246]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4840F13C448; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 20:07:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@bsam.ru) Received: from bsam.ru ([83.239.48.161]) by mail.kuban.ru (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id kBNJswBo070698; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 22:55:08 +0300 (MSK) Received: from bsam by bsam.ru with local (Exim 4.62 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GyCvB-0000Ko-Uh; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 22:52:41 +0300 To: "Andrew Pantyukhin" References: From: Boris Samorodov Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 22:52:41 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Andrew Pantyukhin's message of "Sat, 23 Dec 2006 22:03:06 +0300") Message-ID: <21940630@bsam.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: Boris Samorodov Cc: emulation@FreeBSD.org, eclipse@FreeBSD.org, ia64@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Overlong mailing-list maintainer address in ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Development of Emulators of other operating systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 20:07:02 -0000 On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 22:03:06 +0300 Andrew Pantyukhin wrote: > It is by tradition that we use shorter unambiguous > mailing-list addresses as port's maintainers ad- > dresses. There are several ports with the following > long addresses in the collection: > freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.org > freebsd-eclipse@FreeBSD.org > freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org > Please change them to their counterparts without > the "freebsd-" prefix, give me a go-ahead if you > want me to change them, leave this message unan- > swered if you don't care (I'll change them after a > time-out), or speak up if you have anything against > the change. Since I've seen many commits to GNATS last months to change those addresses to canonical names (freebsd-*), it seems to me that current policy is quite the opposite. WBR -- Boris Samorodov (bsam) Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone & Internet SP FreeBSD committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve From owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 23 20:34:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: emulation@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55CC516A40F for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 20:34:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A1313C45B for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 20:34:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p77so4696679nfc for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 12:34:49 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=RSzO89KGFl5NBB9WEI0WnaTcYnIPQJ6DI+k7VF5enF4VEI5qPBkMKCGbDOlFRON9zzkr5K1JWZ1y1g5P1hBqy82ItX/dZ0itCn+80MeByTqrdb/91O9VyB4jU7urGIeHfDRF+mKwLSCf11xRXppoVSLySnv3cog2BMG7/oGGbEM= Received: by 10.78.204.20 with SMTP id b20mr1761186hug.1166906089687; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 12:34:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.167.16 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 12:34:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 23:34:49 +0300 From: "Andrew Pantyukhin" Sender: infofarmer@gmail.com To: "Boris Samorodov" In-Reply-To: <21940630@bsam.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <21940630@bsam.ru> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 10cca2d333de2dd0 Cc: emulation@freebsd.org, eclipse@freebsd.org, ia64@freebsd.org, portmgr@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Overlong mailing-list maintainer address in ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Development of Emulators of other operating systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 20:34:51 -0000 On 12/23/06, Boris Samorodov wrote: > On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 22:03:06 +0300 Andrew Pantyukhin wrote: > > > It is by tradition that we use shorter unambiguous > > mailing-list addresses as port's maintainers ad- > > dresses. There are several ports with the following > > long addresses in the collection: > > > freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.org > > freebsd-eclipse@FreeBSD.org > > freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org > > > Please change them to their counterparts without > > the "freebsd-" prefix, give me a go-ahead if you > > want me to change them, leave this message unan- > > swered if you don't care (I'll change them after a > > time-out), or speak up if you have anything against > > the change. > > Since I've seen many commits to GNATS last months to change > those addresses to canonical names (freebsd-*), it seems to > me that current policy is quite the opposite. Do you mean problem reports? Please understand that with over 5600 ports pointing to FreeBSD mailing-lists just "many" may not be enough. Of them all only 43 have "freebsd-"-prefixed addresses. From owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 23 21:43:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: emulation@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB61916A416; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 21:43:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [207.200.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE19713C434; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 21:43:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id BB40964D; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 15:17:25 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 15:17:25 -0600 To: Andrew Pantyukhin Message-ID: <20061223211725.GB24163@soaustin.net> References: <21940630@bsam.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: emulation@freebsd.org, portmgr@freebsd.org, ia64@freebsd.org, eclipse@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Overlong mailing-list maintainer address in ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Development of Emulators of other operating systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 21:43:17 -0000 IIRC the short form is used for maintainership, the long form is used for the mailing list names. See the following, and let me know if there are any bugs in it: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pr-guidelines/pr-types.html mcl