From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 16:18:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0163C16A41F for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 16:18:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from "") Received: from mx01.classmates.com (mx01.classmates.com [65.197.174.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923B143D4C for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 16:18:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from "") Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by mx01.classmates.com (8.11.6/8.11.4) id k02GIg629446 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:18:42 -0800 Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:18:42 -0800 Message-Id: <200601021618.k02GIg629446@mx01.classmates.com> X-Authentication-Warning: sgmx01.corp.cmates.com: mailnull set sender to <> using -f To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Auto-Submitted: auto-replied From: Classmates Member Services Subject: Undelivered Email to Classmates.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 16:18:43 -0000 Please note you have attempted to reply to an automated email address. If you need assistance, please visit our online help area at http://www.classmates.com/help Regards, Classmates.com Member Care From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 13:38:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CDB116A41F for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 13:38:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from juancr@dsa.es) Received: from llca513-a.servidoresdns.net (llca513-a.servidoresdns.net [217.76.128.120]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA07E43D48 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 13:38:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from juancr@dsa.es) Received: from mail.dsa.es (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by llca513-a.servidoresdns.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B16208AC66B for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 14:38:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from 217.114.136.133 (SquirrelMail authenticated user faf352c) by llca513-a.servidoresdns.net with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 13:38:44 -0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <1621.217.114.136.133.1136295524.squirrel@llca513-a.servidoresdns.net> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 13:38:44 -0000 (GMT) From: "DSA - JCR" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2-0.1.7.x MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Subject: newby isp questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:38:46 -0000 Hi all in this list and Happy New Year !!! I am New to FreeBSD but not to OSes and UNIX and would like to became in an ISP, in a very first moment only with my own domain, and after we will see ... ;D I would like to know if the configuration in which i am thinking is right or not. I have and ADSL modem (1Mb by now) connecting to an ISP. This is what I am thinking to do: - I must have a fix IP from my ISP. - The ADSL modem will connect to a Firewall box (FreeBSD or m0n0Wall?). I am thinking in an old PC I have. Can this be made without Hard disk, only with CD?. - This Firewall connect to a PC with FreeBSD 6.0 and web capabilities (Apache, mail...). - In order to protect my network, I would use NAT, in the Firewall, and connect my PC to it as a gateway. Questions: - Must I separate the Firewall/Nat from the Webserver box or can be the same? - My ADSL modem uses USB to conect to PC, can I use it or is better a hub adsl type? - In the Webserver box, if I want to have diferent web domains,must I put each one in a jail? and what about the IP of each domain, only one NIC?. Where can I learn about this? books?... Sincerely and thanks in advance Juan Coruņa Desarrollo de Software Atlantico From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 18:57:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D10316A41F for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:57:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@101.net) Received: from 101.net (fargo.101.net [24.215.1.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B31043D45 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:57:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@101.net) Received: (qmail 1610 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2006 13:57:33 -0500 Received: from brickwall.transact.bm (HELO INFOCAST) (207.2.99.12) by 192.168.53.61 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2006 13:57:33 -0500 From: "RH Lists " To: "'DSA - JCR'" , Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 14:57:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <1621.217.114.136.133.1136295524.squirrel@llca513-a.servidoresdns.net> Thread-Index: AcYQawUdER4RhaFLTA2lWL19WLHu3AAKjTRQ X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0601-1, 03/01/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Message-Id: <20060103185748.6B31043D45@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Cc: Subject: RE: newby isp questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 18:57:49 -0000 Hello Juan, and welcome. >From your questions, it sounds like you don't want to be an ISP, but a hosting company (HSP).=20 I doubt you can run an effective hosting business on an ADSL line, for = two reasons: 1. you will limited by the UPLOAD speed of your line. ADSL is generally fast in one direction only. The fastest anyone will be able to download = is the upload speed of your line. Is 512kbps enough? Not usually these = days. (Then again, I started in 1995 with a 128k fractional T1, and it lasted = me about a year - times have changed!) 2. Around here at least, ADSL connections use PPPoE protocol, which = limits the MTU to 1492 or lower. This can *sometimes* cause problems when = running a server. You can probably run a test server from your home this way. If you need = more bandwidth, it's often best to lease a server or collocate it in a high bandwidth secure environment. You will be able to run all of the required services on FreeBSD - all = but one box in our network is FreeBSD (routers and switches excluded). = However for hosting more than a few sites, we found it easier to stop = configuring sites manually, and bought a hosting control panel. Ensim doesn't run on FreeBSD, and doesn't work with private IP addresses. It does however = support domain aliases - I like that feature a lot. We use it on a Fedora box. = I use Plesk for my own websites, on a FreeBSD (5.3-SECURITY) box, in = private IP space. It is also very nice. It comes down to what you want to do - have a box to play on and learn, = or have a viable business. Rarely do the two objectives collide. Regarding your questions, 1. no, they don't have to be separate. Personally, I believe in = hardware firewalls.=20 2. see my warning on adsl. But if you can get FreeBSD to see the usb = network device, have fun. 3. no, every domain doesn't need its own jail. 3a. unless you are using ssl (https), each domain doesn't need its own = IP address. Where to start learning? www.webhostingtalk.com http://www.oreilly.com/ http://www.devshed.com/c/b/Apache/ http://www.isc.org/ Depending on what mail server you use, www.sendmail.org www.postfix.org - personal favourite www.qmail.org Good luck! Rob -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org = [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of DSA - JCR Sent: January 3, 2006 9:39 AM To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: newby isp questions Hi all in this list and Happy New Year !!! I am New to FreeBSD but not to OSes and UNIX and would like to became in an ISP, in a very first moment only with my own domain, and after we = will see ... ;D I would like to know if the configuration in which i am thinking is = right or not. I have and ADSL modem (1Mb by now) connecting to an ISP. This is what I am thinking to do: - I must have a fix IP from my ISP. - The ADSL modem will connect to a Firewall box (FreeBSD or m0n0Wall?). = I am thinking in an old PC I have. Can this be made without Hard disk, = only with CD?. - This Firewall connect to a PC with FreeBSD 6.0 and web capabilities (Apache, mail...). - In order to protect my network, I would use NAT, in the Firewall, and connect my PC to it as a gateway. Questions: - Must I separate the Firewall/Nat from the Webserver box or can be the same? - My ADSL modem uses USB to conect to PC, can I use it or is better a = hub adsl type? - In the Webserver box, if I want to have diferent web domains,must I = put each one in a jail? and what about the IP of each domain, only one NIC?. Where can I learn about this? books?... Sincerely and thanks in advance Juan Coru=F1a Desarrollo de Software Atlantico _______________________________________________ freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 20:00:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD27916A41F for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:00:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from alex@rnp.br) Received: from bellana.nc-rj.rnp.br (bellana.nc-rj.rnp.br [200.143.193.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 470C943D67 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:00:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from alex@rnp.br) Received: (qmail 59503 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2006 20:00:07 -0000 Received: from kira.nc-rj.rnp.br (200.143.193.70) by 0 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2006 20:00:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 79879 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2006 20:00:07 -0000 Received: from ceo.nc-rj.rnp.br (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (200.143.193.20) by 0 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2006 20:00:07 -0000 Message-ID: <43BAD7C6.4040909@rnp.br> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 18:00:06 -0200 From: Alex Soares de Moura Organization: RNP User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <1621.217.114.136.133.1136295524.squirrel@llca513-a.servidoresdns.net> In-Reply-To: <1621.217.114.136.133.1136295524.squirrel@llca513-a.servidoresdns.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: DSA - JCR Subject: Re: newby isp questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 20:00:12 -0000 Hello Juan, DSA - JCR wrote: >I would like to know if the configuration in which i am thinking is right >or not. > >I have and ADSL modem (1Mb by now) connecting to an ISP. > >This is what I am thinking to do: > >- I must have a fix IP from my ISP. > > That's ok for a (very) small start, but soon you'll realize that ISPs need an IP address block assigned to them, from a higher level ISP or organization. >- The ADSL modem will connect to a Firewall box (FreeBSD or m0n0Wall?). I >am thinking in an old PC I have. Can this be made without Hard disk, only >with CD?. > > My bet is that a m0n0wall box is faster, easier to deploy and manage. Yes, can be done from a CD, which is good for security, but bad for performance. For better performance, a HDD installation would be nice. For more features, you probably will like to take a look at the pfSense project: www.pfsense.com. >- This Firewall connect to a PC with FreeBSD 6.0 and web capabilities >(Apache, mail...). >- In order to protect my network, I would use NAT, in the Firewall, and >connect my PC to it as a gateway. > > Looking from the security side, Internet services aggregation is better done in separate environments (hosts, virtual machines, jails etc.), so one of them don't pose a unnecessary threat to each other in your ISP environment. Take a look at the references below. >Questions: >- Must I separate the Firewall/Nat from the Webserver box or can be the same? > > Again, it's a security issue. What if the webserver is compromised? Your firewall would be at risk... Another issue very discussed for a long time is that NAT is not considered a proper security feature tehcnology by network experts, and also that it breaks the end-to-end concept and cause a lot of trouble to some applications to function properly. "Security through obscurity is no security at all". See references below. >- My ADSL modem uses USB to conect to PC, can I use it or is better a hub >adsl type? > > That's my personal opinion: try to avoid core network devices that attach via USB in your ISP infrastructure. Mostly because of driver compatibility and performance. There is more support for NICs in every operating system today than support for USB devices, that have better support in the Windows OS. Maybe this will change in the future, but that's my opinion. This may not be an issue for you, if all your hardware is well supported by the FreeBSD. >- In the Webserver box, if I want to have diferent web domains,must I put >each one in a jail? and what about the IP of each domain, only one NIC?. > > Yes, you can have many IP addresses in one NIC and create jails to host different domains. Although, you'll spend more hardware resources (CPU, RAM) to run various Apache instances in each jail. The Virtual Hosts feature of the Apache server can be enough for your scenario. See below. >Where can I learn about this? books?... > > Yes, there are a lot of good resources of information on the Internet and in books. See the recommended reading list: [1] Network Startup Resource Center http://www.nsrc.org [2] NANOG ISP Resources http://www.nanog.org/isp.html [3] NANOG Mailing List FAQ http://www.nanog.org/listfaq.html [4] Building Internet Firewalls http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/fire2/index.html http://www.greatcircle.com/firewalls-book/ [5] Practical Unix and Internet Security http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/puis3/ [6] FreeBSD Planning, Installation and Security Tips http://www.nsrc.org/freebsd-tips.html [7] NAT http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAT [9] NAT http://www.networkworld.com/details/645.html [10] Security Considerations of NAT http://safecomputing.umich.edu/tools/download/nat_security.pdf [11] TCP/IP Resources List http://www.faqs.org/faqs/internet/tcp-ip/resource-list/ [12] Simplify Your Life with Apache Virtual Hosts http://www.onlamp.com/lpt/a/4021 [13] Installing FreeBSD 6 for Internet Server http://freebie.miraclenet.co.th/server/install_fbsd/ Best regards, Alex From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 01:05:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5226916A41F for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 01:05:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@stringsutils.com) Received: from zoraida.natserv.net (p65-147.acedsl.com [66.114.65.147]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAEE543D49 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 01:05:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@stringsutils.com) Received: from zoraida.natserv.net (zoraida.natserv.net [66.114.65.147]) by zoraida.natserv.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE0D47D99 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:05:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: http://www.courier-mta.org/cone/ From: Francisco Reyes To: FreeBSD ISP Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 20:05:02 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FreeBSD +NFS + mail services X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 01:05:04 -0000 Looking for any links/comments/info on performance settings for a FreeBSD mail setup using NFS. In particular how does the client decides how many client nfs programs to run? I noticed that 2 machines today were both using 22 client connections each. Is that a hard limit in the FreeBSD nfs client? Although I have found several NFS related info articles.. nothing particular to FreeBSD.. specially in an ISP type of setup. The Oreilly NFS+NIS book was primarly Solaris focused so that was not of much help. Our current NFS server is a 5.4 machine and a new one coming online soon will be 6.X stable. Client machines are 5.4 Any sysctl variable that would be of help to change? From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 06:59:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 723C116A41F for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 06:59:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ob@gruft.de) Received: from obh.snafu.de (obh.snafu.de [213.73.92.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D42A543D53 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 06:59:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ob@gruft.de) Received: from ob by obh.snafu.de with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Eu2cI-00066X-Om for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 07:59:26 +0100 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 07:59:26 +0100 From: Oliver Brandmueller To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060104065926.GA99739@e-Gitt.NET> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: Oliver Brandmueller Subject: Re: FreeBSD +NFS + mail services X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 06:59:28 -0000 --a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello. On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 08:05:02PM -0500, Francisco Reyes wrote: > Looking for any links/comments/info on performance settings for a FreeBSD= =20 > mail setup using NFS. >=20 > In particular how does the client decides how many client nfs programs to= =20 > run? I noticed that 2 machines today were both using 22 client=20 > connections each. Is that a hard limit in the FreeBSD nfs client? Look at the sysctl vfs.nfs -> vfs.nfs.iodmin: 4 vfs.nfs.iodmax: 20 In FreeBSD 6 you'll also find: vfs.nfs.iodmaxidle: 120 Should be pretty self explanatory. How many you actually need depends=20 very much on your configuration and how busy your servers are, how many=20 mailboxes, how many mails per minute. Also it depends if your clients=20 access e-Mails via IMAP or by POP3 (or whatever method apart from that).=20 Especially IMAP can be very resource hungry. So I cannot really give you hints on actual values, because they very much depend on your setup. You should also play around with NFS read and write data sizes, the bufpackets and such values until they best match your setup with respect of speed of clients and server and the network and again, how busy your setup is at the moment. Just run different benchmarks in your test area or before going to production. And while being in prod you could take the chance to make performance monitoring on all the machines and carefully change different variables (i.e. use of rdirplus, different buffer values). Also you could try to use Jumbo Frames on your NFS backbone, given it is GigE only and _all_ of your hardware and software (switches, every single NIC, every single OS/driver involved) really supports this. > Our current NFS server is a 5.4 machine and a new one coming online soon= =20 > will be 6.X stable. Client machines are 5.4 I just migrated our NFS server(s) from 5.4 to 6.0 - our clients are=20 mainly still 5-STABLE, only few 6-STABLE clients. I saw a few NFS=20 locking problems (lockd starting to spin) with the server while it was=20 still RELENG_5, especially after stating with RELENG_6 clients. This was=20 clearly load dependant (started usually on busy days when the backup was=20 running into daytime). I haven't seen this yet with RELENG_6 servers,=20 but the migration was just one week ago and the backup scheme had been=20 changed also to avoid the problem, so I'm not completely sure here. - Oliver --=20 | Oliver Brandmueller | Offenbacher Str. 1 | Germany D-14197 Berlin | | Fon +49-172-3130856 | Fax +49-172-3145027 | WWW: http://the.addict.de/ | | Ich bin das Internet. Sowahr ich Gott helfe. | | Eine gewerbliche Nutzung aller enthaltenen Adressen ist nicht gestattet! | --a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDu3JOiqtMdzjafykRAt1QAKCPpxNbO13i68sknoF0Iml019RQbQCfdcg3 7LJhkB6JlD/4yQOkT3yfi58= =T1/Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C-- From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 07:06:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D19B716A41F for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 07:06:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ob@gruft.de) Received: from obh.snafu.de (obh.snafu.de [213.73.92.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0526843D5D for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 07:06:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ob@gruft.de) Received: from ob by obh.snafu.de with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Eu2id-0006GH-V4 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 08:05:59 +0100 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:05:59 +0100 From: Oliver Brandmueller To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060104070559.GB99739@e-Gitt.NET> References: <20060104065926.GA99739@e-Gitt.NET> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="v9Ux+11Zm5mwPlX6" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060104065926.GA99739@e-Gitt.NET> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: Oliver Brandmueller Subject: Re: FreeBSD +NFS + mail services X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 07:06:01 -0000 --v9Ux+11Zm5mwPlX6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, sorry for replying to myself, but... On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 07:59:26AM +0100, Oliver Brandmueller wrote: > In FreeBSD 6 you'll also find: > vfs.nfs.iodmaxidle: 120 Of course, this is in FBSD 5 also, I just missed it due to a different=20 ordering of the sysctl output. Sorry. - Oliver --=20 | Oliver Brandmueller | Offenbacher Str. 1 | Germany D-14197 Berlin | | Fon +49-172-3130856 | Fax +49-172-3145027 | WWW: http://the.addict.de/ | | Ich bin das Internet. Sowahr ich Gott helfe. | | Eine gewerbliche Nutzung aller enthaltenen Adressen ist nicht gestattet! | --v9Ux+11Zm5mwPlX6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDu3PXiqtMdzjafykRAhw6AKDPHLvIYC2ri96GqCX+41CD5hNMEgCfSKWr xj0fRU6D9DMYqTavvsxCfac= =E8TE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --v9Ux+11Zm5mwPlX6-- From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 11:22:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B140216A41F for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:22:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nick@arc.net.my) Received: from mail.arc.net.my (nagano.arc.net.my [203.115.225.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FA5843D5A for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:22:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nick@arc.net.my) Received: from av2.arc.net.my ([192.168.100.37]) by mail.arc.net.my (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 Patch 1 (built Jun 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0ISK00C8IFKR36@mail.arc.net.my> for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:22:03 +0800 (SGT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av2.arc.net.my (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13BABCF01D for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:22:03 +0800 (MYT) Received: from mail.arc.net.my (av1 [192.168.100.36]) by av2.arc.net.my (Postfix) with ESMTP id D06B2CF01A for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:22:02 +0800 (MYT) Received: from [203.115.225.83] (tsukiji.arc.net.my [203.115.225.83]) by mail.arc.net.my (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 Patch 1 (built Jun 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0ISK009MWFKQLK@mail.arc.net.my> for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:22:02 +0800 (SGT) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:22:02 +0800 From: Nick Kraal To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-id: <43BBAFDA.5030903@arc.net.my> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Virus-Scanned: By Arcnet Antivirus/Antispam Server Subject: IRRToolset ports instalation error X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:22:06 -0000 Dear all, I am trying to install the IRRToolset via the FreeBSD ports collection. But receive the following error. Any ideas? Thanks in advance. -nick/ ------------------------------------------- #uname -a ...6.0-RELEASE-p1 FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE-p1 #7 # pwd /usr/ports/net-mgmt/irrtoolset # make install ===> Installing for irrtoolset-4.7.3_1 ===> irrtoolset-4.7.3_1 depends on shared library: tk83.1 - found ===> Generating temporary packing list ===> Checking if net-mgmt/irrtoolset already installed gmake[1]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/net-mgmt/irrtoolset/work/IRRToolSet-4.7.3/src' for i in rpslcheck peval RtConfig roe prpath prtraceroute CIDRAdvisor aoe; do install -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 $i/$i /usr/local/bin; done install: rpslcheck/rpslcheck: No such file or directory install: peval/peval: No such file or directory install: RtConfig/RtConfig: No such file or directory install: roe/roe: No such file or directory install: prpath/prpath: No such file or directory install: prtraceroute/prtraceroute: No such file or directory install: CIDRAdvisor/CIDRAdvisor: No such file or directory install: aoe/aoe: No such file or directory gmake[1]: *** [install] Error 71 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/net-mgmt/irrtoolset/work/IRRToolSet-4.7.3/src' gmake: *** [install] Error 2 *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/ports/net-mgmt/irrtoolset. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 14:57:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA11816A41F for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:57:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jon.otterholm@ide.resurscentrum.se) Received: from mail1.cil.se (mail1.cil.se [217.197.56.125]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6E1343D49 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:57:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jon.otterholm@ide.resurscentrum.se) Received: from [192.168.2.10] ([192.168.2.10]) by mail1.cil.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:57:15 +0100 Message-ID: <43BBE24B.8040005@ide.resurscentrum.se> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:57:15 +0100 From: Jon Otterholm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051210) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2006 14:57:15.0612 (UTC) FILETIME=[26ACF9C0:01C6113F] Subject: Network Monitoring X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:57:23 -0000 Ug! What monitor system should I choose to monitor servers, routers and switches? It must be able to send alarms via SMS - i have a sms-modem/phone connected to com-port (Nokia 30). Today we are using a product called "Intellipool Network Monitor" running on a windows-box. The monitoring system works fine, but not the operating system... /Jon From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 15:07:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F74F16A41F for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:07:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from michael@gargantuan.com) Received: from phoenix.gargantuan.com (srv01.lak.lwxdatacom.net [24.73.171.238]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3B1243D55 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:07:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from michael@gargantuan.com) Received: by phoenix.gargantuan.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3607E20B; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:07:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:07:34 -0500 From: "Michael W. Oliver" To: Jon Otterholm Message-ID: <20060104150734.GA78159@gargantuan.com> References: <43BBE24B.8040005@ide.resurscentrum.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43BBE24B.8040005@ide.resurscentrum.se> X-WWW-URL: http://michael.gargantuan.com X-GPG-PGP-Public-Key: http://michael.gargantuan.com/gnupg/pubkey.asc X-GPG-PGP-Fingerprint: 2694 0179 AE3F BFAE 0916 0BF5 B16B FBAB C5FA A3C9 X-Home-Phone: +1-863-816-8091 X-Mobile-Phone: +1-863-738-2334 X-Mailing-Address0: 8008 Apache Lane X-Mailing-Address1: Lakeland, FL X-Mailing-Address2: 33810-2172 X-Mailing-Address3: United States of America X-Guide-Questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html X-Guide-Netiquette: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt User-Agent: mutt-ng/devel-r581 (FreeBSD) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network Monitoring X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:07:37 -0000 --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2006-01-04T15:57:15+0100, Jon Otterholm wrote: > Ug! >=20 > What monitor system should I choose to monitor servers, routers and > switches? It must be able to send alarms via SMS - i have a > sms-modem/phone connected to com-port (Nokia 30). Nagios for monitoring, Cacti for stats. Works like a champ. For the SMS stuff, I actually use the port misc/smssend with Nagios and it works very well with AT&T/Cingular. I haven't done the com-port thingy, but I am sure that others have. ISTR hearing something about gnokii... --=20 Mike Oliver [see complete headers for contact information] --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDu+S2sWv7q8X6o8kRAiipAJ4x7VcSTMALeb3n3ORGu13g90By4QCdGhnm O5uLrTQKub2gclrKfcmAgKQ= =u+bD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA-- From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 15:09:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E324716A41F for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:09:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ob@gruft.de) Received: from obh.snafu.de (obh.snafu.de [213.73.92.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A2943D88 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:08:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ob@gruft.de) Received: from ob by obh.snafu.de with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EuAG2-000H7Y-5X for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:08:58 +0100 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:08:58 +0100 From: Oliver Brandmueller To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060104150858.GD99739@e-Gitt.NET> References: <43BBE24B.8040005@ide.resurscentrum.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43BBE24B.8040005@ide.resurscentrum.se> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: Oliver Brandmueller Subject: Re: Network Monitoring X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:09:05 -0000 Hi. On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 03:57:15PM +0100, Jon Otterholm wrote: > What monitor system should I choose to monitor servers, routers and > switches? It must be able to send alarms via SMS - i have a > sms-modem/phone connected to com-port (Nokia 30). nagios (also in the ports). It's extremely flexible. All kinds of alarms, triggers, eventhandlers can be configured. Each check and each alarm is in fact a script that gets executed, so it's easy to implement your personal ways of notification and checks. - Oliver -- | Oliver Brandmueller | Offenbacher Str. 1 | Germany D-14197 Berlin | | Fon +49-172-3130856 | Fax +49-172-3145027 | WWW: http://the.addict.de/ | | Ich bin das Internet. Sowahr ich Gott helfe. | | Eine gewerbliche Nutzung aller enthaltenen Adressen ist nicht gestattet! | From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 15:20:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA8316A41F for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:20:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@complx.LF.net) Received: from complx.LF.net (complx.LF.net [212.9.190.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4608F43D48 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:20:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@complx.LF.net) Received: from lists by complx.LF.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EuART-000N4j-Fk; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:20:47 +0100 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:20:47 +0100 From: Kurt Jaeger To: Oliver Brandmueller Message-ID: <20060104152047.GD1429@complx.LF.net> References: <43BBE24B.8040005@ide.resurscentrum.se> <20060104150858.GD99739@e-Gitt.NET> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060104150858.GD99739@e-Gitt.NET> Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network Monitoring X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:20:51 -0000 Hi! > nagios (also in the ports). It's extremely flexible. We have performance issues with it (approx. 400 systems). Is this just us or ... ? -- MfG/Best regards, Kurt Jaeger 14 years to go ! LF.net GmbH fon +49 711 90074-23 pi@LF.net Ruppmannstr. 27 fax +49 711 90074-33 D-70565 Stuttgart mob +49 171 3101372 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 15:23:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A32D016A420 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:23:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from moti@flncs.com) Received: from mail1.flncs.com (mail1.flncs.com [66.165.173.221]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 006DF43D66 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:23:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from moti@flncs.com) Received: (qmail 38518 invoked by uid 89); 4 Jan 2006 15:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (moti@flncs.com@209.2.31.250) by 0 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 15:23:18 -0000 Message-ID: <43BBE8D4.6040902@flncs.com> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:25:08 -0500 From: Moti Levy User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jon Otterholm References: <43BBE24B.8040005@ide.resurscentrum.se> In-Reply-To: <43BBE24B.8040005@ide.resurscentrum.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network Monitoring X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:23:21 -0000 I second nagios as well , solid and very easy to configure. if you feel like you need nice graphs then zabbix ( in the ports as well ) is a nice mysql/php tool you can use . there is a bit of a learnign curve and the rc scripts provided with the ports need some hacking but its a nice tool . Jon Otterholm wrote: > Ug! > > What monitor system should I choose to monitor servers, routers and > switches? It must be able to send alarms via SMS - i have a > sms-modem/phone connected to com-port (Nokia 30). > > Today we are using a product called "Intellipool Network Monitor" > running on a windows-box. The monitoring system works fine, but not the > operating system... > > /Jon > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 15:24:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 627A016A420 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:24:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@subhi.com) Received: from fonzi.54blackfriars-st.e-corner.co.uk (fonzi.54blackfriars-st.e-corner.co.uk [82.108.102.244]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 314A043D60 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:24:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@subhi.com) Received: from [10.10.11.175] (helo=CAESAR) by fonzi.54blackfriars-st.e-corner.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1EuAVR-000AIW-2x; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:24:53 +0000 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:24:23 +0000 From: Subhi S Hashwa X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.64.01 Christmas Edition) Professional X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1596391636.20060104152423@subhi.com> To: Jon Otterholm In-Reply-To: <43BBE24B.8040005@ide.resurscentrum.se> References: <43BBE24B.8040005@ide.resurscentrum.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network Monitoring X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Subhi S Hashwa List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:24:25 -0000 Wednesday, January 4, 2006, 2:57:15 PM, Jon Otterholm wrote: > What monitor system should I choose to monitor servers, routers and > switches? Have a look at nagios. (http://www.nagios.org/) found in (/usr/ports/net-mgmt/nagios) -- Best regards, Subhi S Hashwa mailto:lists@subhi.com When everything is heading your way, you're in the wrong lane. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 15:28:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B64ED16A41F for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:28:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ob@gruft.de) Received: from obh.snafu.de (obh.snafu.de [213.73.92.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4385A43D53 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:28:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ob@gruft.de) Received: from ob by obh.snafu.de with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EuAYx-000HQr-EO; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:28:31 +0100 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:28:31 +0100 From: Oliver Brandmueller To: Kurt Jaeger Message-ID: <20060104152831.GE99739@e-Gitt.NET> References: <43BBE24B.8040005@ide.resurscentrum.se> <20060104150858.GD99739@e-Gitt.NET> <20060104152047.GD1429@complx.LF.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060104152047.GD1429@complx.LF.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: Oliver Brandmueller Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network Monitoring X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:28:32 -0000 Hi. On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 04:20:47PM +0100, Kurt Jaeger wrote: > > nagios (also in the ports). It's extremely flexible. > > We have performance issues with it (approx. 400 systems). > Is this just us or ... ? Well, we have only 50 Hosts, 250 services in monitoring. No performance issues so far (unless we use the nagios software vulnerability check every 5 minutes on some 20 hosts - which makes no sense anyway :-). This is nagios 2.0b6 on a 2.8 GHz FreeBSD machine also doing cacti, smokeping, syslog and some other NOC centric tasks. - Oliver -- | Oliver Brandmueller | Offenbacher Str. 1 | Germany D-14197 Berlin | | Fon +49-172-3130856 | Fax +49-172-3145027 | WWW: http://the.addict.de/ | | Ich bin das Internet. Sowahr ich Gott helfe. | | Eine gewerbliche Nutzung aller enthaltenen Adressen ist nicht gestattet! | From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 15:31:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8108D16A420 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:31:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drais@atlasta.net) Received: from atlasta.net (mail.atlasta.net [209.246.234.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B94543D49 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:31:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drais@atlasta.net) Received: (qmail 72836 invoked by uid 1012); 4 Jan 2006 15:31:37 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 15:31:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 07:31:37 -0800 (PST) From: David Raistrick To: Jon Otterholm In-Reply-To: <43BBE24B.8040005@ide.resurscentrum.se> Message-ID: References: <43BBE24B.8040005@ide.resurscentrum.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network Monitoring X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:31:39 -0000 On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, Jon Otterholm wrote: > What monitor system should I choose to monitor servers, routers and > switches? It must be able to send alarms via SMS - i have a In addition to the long list of usual suspects, I've recently been looking at this one: http://www.zabbix.com/index.php Look promising. The person who refered me to it said it's easier to work with than nagios (esp. when it comes to training junior staff to maintain it). I'll probably be firing it up in a few days. Here's someones older list. Note that Nagios was formerly known as NetSaint. http://www.itprc.com/nms.htm --- david raistrick http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html drais@atlasta.net http://www.expita.com/nomime.html From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 15:53:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65CC516A41F for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:53:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@rulez.sk) Received: from mail.rulez.sk (DaEmoN.RuLeZ.sK [84.16.32.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B119A43D5F for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:53:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@rulez.sk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.rulez.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5167E1CCE1; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:52:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (danger.mcrn.sk [84.16.37.254]) by mail.rulez.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF891CCDD; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:52:54 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:52:49 +0100 From: Daniel Gerzo X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.62.14) Professional X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <148406271.20060104165249@rulez.sk> To: Kurt Jaeger In-Reply-To: <20060104152047.GD1429@complx.LF.net> References: <43BBE24B.8040005@ide.resurscentrum.se> <20060104150858.GD99739@e-Gitt.NET> <20060104152047.GD1429@complx.LF.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mail.rulez.sk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.735 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.8, AWL=0.664, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -3.735 X-Spam-Level: Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, Oliver Brandmueller Subject: Re[2]: Network Monitoring X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Gerzo List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:53:02 -0000 Hello Kurt, Wednesday, January 4, 2006, 4:20:47 PM, you wrote: > Hi! >> nagios (also in the ports). It's extremely flexible. > We have performance issues with it (approx. 400 systems). > Is this just us or ... ? we have about 320 hosts and I think there are no performance issues. nagios 2.0b4 here on FreeBSD 4.11-STABLE. -- Best regards, Daniel mailto:danger@rulez.sk From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 15:57:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5830916A41F for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:57:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dgilbert@daveg.ca) Received: from ox.eicat.ca (ox.eicat.ca [66.96.30.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F4743D5E for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:57:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dgilbert@daveg.ca) Received: by ox.eicat.ca (Postfix, from userid 66) id E0AA911C28; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:57:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by canoe.dclg.ca (Postfix, from userid 101) id B0AB31A0AAD; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:57:16 -0500 (EST) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17339.61532.649959.1059@canoe.dclg.ca> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:57:16 -0500 To: Francisco Reyes In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 18) "Social Property" XEmacs Lucid Cc: FreeBSD ISP Subject: FreeBSD +NFS + mail services X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:57:28 -0000 >>>>> "Francisco" == Francisco Reyes writes: Francisco> Looking for any links/comments/info on performance settings Francisco> for a FreeBSD mail setup using NFS. Francisco> In particular how does the client decides how many client Francisco> nfs programs to run? I noticed that 2 machines today were Francisco> both using 22 client connections each. Is that a hard limit Francisco> in the FreeBSD nfs client? Typical wizdom is to watch how busy they are. In a typical unloaded nfs scheme, you'll see that one process has all the time, and the remaining processes have little or none. As more of your NFS processes are charged for time, you may want to increase the number you run. FreeBSD seems to run more client daemons dynamically, so you only need to worry about the number of server daemons you run. Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Independent Contractor. | Two things can be | |Mail: dave@daveg.ca | equal if and only if they | |http://daveg.ca | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 16:00:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9423A16A41F for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:00:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@complx.LF.net) Received: from complx.LF.net (complx.LF.net [212.9.190.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3324443D48 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:00:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@complx.LF.net) Received: from lists by complx.LF.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EuB3t-000NDJ-Cb for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:00:29 +0100 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:00:29 +0100 From: Kurt Jaeger To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060104160029.GE1429@complx.LF.net> References: <43BBE24B.8040005@ide.resurscentrum.se> <20060104150858.GD99739@e-Gitt.NET> <20060104152047.GD1429@complx.LF.net> <148406271.20060104165249@rulez.sk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <148406271.20060104165249@rulez.sk> Subject: Re: Network Monitoring X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:00:30 -0000 Hi! > >> nagios (also in the ports). It's extremely flexible. > > We have performance issues with it (approx. 400 systems). > we have about 320 hosts and I think there are no performance issues. > nagios 2.0b4 here on FreeBSD 4.11-STABLE. Hmm, I had a look, its 487 hosts, 846 services. -- MfG/Best regards, Kurt Jaeger 14 years to go ! LF.net GmbH fon +49 711 90074-23 pi@LF.net Ruppmannstr. 27 fax +49 711 90074-33 D-70565 Stuttgart mob +49 171 3101372 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 16:05:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 007F716A41F for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:04:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@complx.LF.net) Received: from complx.LF.net (complx.LF.net [212.9.190.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 949D843D53 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:04:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@complx.LF.net) Received: from lists by complx.LF.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EuB8E-000NDt-Kj for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:04:58 +0100 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:04:58 +0100 From: Kurt Jaeger To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060104160458.GF1429@complx.LF.net> References: <43BBE24B.8040005@ide.resurscentrum.se> <20060104150858.GD99739@e-Gitt.NET> <20060104152047.GD1429@complx.LF.net> <148406271.20060104165249@rulez.sk> <20060104160029.GE1429@complx.LF.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060104160029.GE1429@complx.LF.net> Subject: Re: Network Monitoring X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:05:00 -0000 Hi! > > >> nagios (also in the ports). It's extremely flexible. > > > > We have performance issues with it (approx. 400 systems). > > > we have about 320 hosts and I think there are no performance issues. > > nagios 2.0b4 here on FreeBSD 4.11-STABLE. > > Hmm, I had a look, its 487 hosts, 846 services. System: 2.40GHz, 4.11p8, 1G RAM Load is approx. 2 -- MfG/Best regards, Kurt Jaeger 14 years to go ! LF.net GmbH fon +49 711 90074-23 pi@LF.net Ruppmannstr. 27 fax +49 711 90074-33 D-70565 Stuttgart mob +49 171 3101372 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 16:09:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 665A116A41F for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:09:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from mail.ipt.ru (mail.ipt.ru [80.253.10.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ECCD43D48 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:09:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from srv.sem.ipt.ru ([192.168.12.1]) by mail.ipt.ru with esmtp (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1EuBCd-00075Z-UG; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:09:31 +0300 Received: from bsam by srv.sem.ipt.ru with local (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1EuBBc-000MFi-Qr; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:08:28 +0300 To: "Michael W. Oliver" References: <43BBE24B.8040005@ide.resurscentrum.se> <20060104150734.GA78159@gargantuan.com> From: Boris Samorodov Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:08:28 +0300 In-Reply-To: <20060104150734.GA78159@gargantuan.com> (Michael W. Oliver's message of "Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:07:34 -0500") Message-ID: <74763507@srv.sem.ipt.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, Jon Otterholm Subject: Re: Network Monitoring X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:09:39 -0000 On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:07:34 -0500 Michael W. Oliver wrote: > On 2006-01-04T15:57:15+0100, Jon Otterholm wrote: > > What monitor system should I choose to monitor servers, routers and > > switches? It must be able to send alarms via SMS - i have a > > sms-modem/phone connected to com-port (Nokia 30). > Nagios for monitoring, Cacti for stats. Works like a champ. We use nagios and... > For the SMS stuff, I actually use the port misc/smssend with Nagios and > it works very well with AT&T/Cingular. I haven't done the com-port > thingy, but I am sure that others have. ISTR hearing something about > gnokii... ...comms/gammu to send SM via mobile phone attached to com port (or usb through the cable with PL2303 chip). WBR -- bsam From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 17:44:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D4C716A423 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:44:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@rulez.sk) Received: from mail.rulez.sk (DaEmoN.RuLeZ.sK [84.16.32.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7591343D79 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:44:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@rulez.sk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.rulez.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81D311CC77; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:44:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (danger.mcrn.sk [84.16.37.254]) by mail.rulez.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EDFC1CC74; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:44:20 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:44:13 +0100 From: Daniel Gerzo X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.62.14) Professional X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1118393798.20060104184413@rulez.sk> To: Daniel Gerzo In-Reply-To: <148406271.20060104165249@rulez.sk> References: <43BBE24B.8040005@ide.resurscentrum.se> <20060104150858.GD99739@e-Gitt.NET> <20060104152047.GD1429@complx.LF.net> <148406271.20060104165249@rulez.sk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mail.rulez.sk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.688 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.8, AWL=0.711, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -3.688 X-Spam-Level: Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, Kurt Jaeger Subject: Re[3]: Network Monitoring X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Gerzo List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:44:30 -0000 Hello, Wednesday, January 4, 2006, 4:52:49 PM, you wrote: > Hello Kurt, > Wednesday, January 4, 2006, 4:20:47 PM, you wrote: >> Hi! >>> nagios (also in the ports). It's extremely flexible. >> We have performance issues with it (approx. 400 systems). >> Is this just us or ... ? > we have about 320 hosts and I think there are no performance issues. > nagios 2.0b4 here on FreeBSD 4.11-STABLE. oops that was overdrawn, i've checked to be sure and it's ealmost 170 hosts with 190 servicies :) but... CPU: Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon/Celeron (497.84-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x673 Stepping = 3 Features=0x383f9ff real memory = 268435456 (262144K bytes) 6:37PM up 97 days, 1 hr, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.03, 0.05 well and it's backup ns for about 150 domains and backup of backup MX :) -- Best regards, Daniel mailto:danger@rulez.sk From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 18:39:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD7F16A41F for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:39:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Borge.Brunes@cc.uit.no) Received: from mux1.uit.no (mux1.uit.no [129.242.4.252]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C66343D5C for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:38:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Borge.Brunes@cc.uit.no) Received: from flode.cc.uit.no (flode.cc.uit.no [129.242.6.250]) by mux1.uit.no (8.13.3/8.13.3/Mux) with ESMTP id k04IckFQ071079; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:38:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from duke.cc.uit.no (duke.cc.uit.no [129.242.6.120]) by flode.cc.uit.no (8.13.3/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04IckOc009224; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:38:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from borge@cc.uit.no) Received: from duke.cc.uit.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by duke.cc.uit.no (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k04Icjf7099113; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:38:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from borge@cc.uit.no) Received: from localhost (borge@localhost) by duke.cc.uit.no (8.13.1/8.12.11/Submit) with ESMTP id k04IcjCb099110; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:38:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from borge@cc.uit.no) X-Authentication-Warning: duke.cc.uit.no: borge owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:38:45 +0100 (CET) From: Borge Brunes To: Jon Otterholm In-Reply-To: <43BBE24B.8040005@ide.resurscentrum.se> Message-ID: <20060104191021.W98907@duke.cc.uit.no> References: <43BBE24B.8040005@ide.resurscentrum.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: : ok X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.36 Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network Monitoring X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:39:01 -0000 On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, Jon Otterholm wrote: > What monitor system should I choose to monitor servers, routers and switches? > It must be able to send alarms via SMS - i have a sms-modem/phone connected > to com-port (Nokia 30). Have a look at NAV http://metanav.ntnu.no/moin.cgi "Network Administration Visualized is an advanced software suite to monitor large computer networks. It automatically discovers network topology, monitors network load and outages, and can send alerts on network events by e-mail and SMS, allowing for flexible configuration of alert profiles." L2-traceroute is available in the development/svn-version All norwegian universities and most colleges are using it. NTNU is monitoring <1000 devices, we (univ. of Tromso) about 400. We have also made some more modules to NAV that will we available int he next release (freeradius accounting from VPN, 802.1x wired and wireless, cabel documentation). An integration with Stager (http://software.uninett.no/stager/) is also "around the corner". The NAV is in the port system, but it's not up to date. Dru Lagvine has build a new port during this christmas holliday, and I guess it will be public available this week. You could also get the latest release using svn. Today one of the maintainers announced this on the NAV users-list: "As I mentioned in a previous posting NTNU and UNINETT are currently planning the 2006 NAV activity. We are more ambitious this year and are prepared to put a lot of resources into maintaining and further developing NAV. We are currently working on a list of new features to implement. I could present the list, but at this stage I will rather ask the NAV community... what do you want?" You are all welcome to join the NAV community! regards, -- Borge Brunes, Computer Center, University of Tromso, Norway http://www.cc.uit.no/~borge/ | http://www.freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 19:01:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C70A816A420 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:01:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@stringsutils.com) Received: from zoraida.natserv.net (p65-147.acedsl.com [66.114.65.147]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2196B43D66 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:01:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@stringsutils.com) Received: from zoraida.natserv.net (zoraida.natserv.net [66.114.65.147]) by zoraida.natserv.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCB9A7D8C; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:01:54 -0500 (EST) References: <20060104065926.GA99739@e-Gitt.NET> Message-ID: X-Mailer: http://www.courier-mta.org/cone/ From: Francisco Reyes To: Oliver Brandmueller Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:01:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD +NFS + mail services X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:01:56 -0000 Oliver Brandmueller writes: > Look at the sysctl vfs.nfs -> > vfs.nfs.iodmin: 4 > vfs.nfs.iodmax: 20 Great thanks. > In FreeBSD 6 you'll also find: > > vfs.nfs.iodmaxidle: 120 > > Should be pretty self explanatory. Tried to search for the meaning of that parameter. Could not find much info. Care to share some light on it? > benchmarks in your test area or before going to production. And while > being in prod you could take the chance to make performance monitoring > on all the machines and carefully change different variables How do you monitor performance on nfs.. other than nfsstat? would be usefull if vmstat included nfs mounts.. > I just migrated our NFS server(s) from 5.4 to 6.0 - our clients are > mainly still 5-STABLE, only few 6-STABLE clients. I saw a few NFS > locking problems (lockd starting to spin) with the server while it was > still RELENG_5, especially after stating with RELENG_6 clients. This was > clearly load dependant (started usually on busy days when the backup was > running into daytime). I haven't seen this yet with RELENG_6 servers, > but the migration was just one week ago and the backup scheme had been > changed also to avoid the problem, so I'm not completely sure here. So, basically on the little time you have had 6 your impression is that 6's NFS server code performs better? From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 19:09:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3038816A41F for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:09:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@stringsutils.com) Received: from zoraida.natserv.net (p65-147.acedsl.com [66.114.65.147]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C67843D55 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:09:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@stringsutils.com) Received: from zoraida.natserv.net (zoraida.natserv.net [66.114.65.147]) by zoraida.natserv.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DDF77D8C; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:09:04 -0500 (EST) References: <17339.61532.649959.1059@canoe.dclg.ca> Message-ID: X-Mailer: http://www.courier-mta.org/cone/ From: Francisco Reyes To: David Gilbert Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:09:04 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: FreeBSD +NFS + mail services X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:09:07 -0000 David Gilbert writes: > remaining processes have little or none. As more of your NFS > processes are charged for time, you may want to increase the number > you run. FreeBSD seems to run more client daemons dynamically, so you > only need to worry about the number of server daemons you run. I have the following on a machine: ps aux|head -n 1|ps auxw |grep nfs root 317 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? DL 12:47PM 0:00.41 [nfsiod 0] root 318 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? DL 12:47PM 0:00.31 [nfsiod 1] root 319 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? DL 12:47PM 0:00.19 [nfsiod 2] root 320 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? DL 12:47PM 0:00.12 [nfsiod 3] root 2316 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? DL 1:17PM 0:00.06 [nfsiod 4] root 2317 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? DL 1:17PM 0:00.04 [nfsiod 5] root 5486 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? SL 1:39PM 0:00.02 [nfsiod 6] root 5637 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? SL 1:39PM 0:00.01 [nfsiod 7] root 5638 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? SL 1:39PM 0:00.01 [nfsiod 8] root 6563 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? SL 1:46PM 0:00.01 [nfsiod 9] root 6564 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? SL 1:46PM 0:00.00 [nfsiod 10] root 6565 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? IL 1:46PM 0:00.00 [nfsiod 11] root 6566 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? IL 1:46PM 0:00.00 [nfsiod 12] root 6567 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? IL 1:46PM 0:00.00 [nfsiod 13] root 7089 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? IL 1:51PM 0:00.00 [nfsiod 14] root 7090 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? IL 1:51PM 0:00.00 [nfsiod 15] root 7091 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? IL 1:51PM 0:00.00 [nfsiod 16] root 7092 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? IL 1:51PM 0:00.00 [nfsiod 17] root 7093 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? IL 1:51PM 0:00.00 [nfsiod 18] root 7095 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? IL 1:51PM 0:00.00 [nfsiod 19] It seems that for the most part most of those nfs clients are not used. I then wonder why they were started. What would be the impact on setting the upper limit of clients to 10? Specially on a case like the above it doesn't seem like 20 were needed to begin with.. Also, on the server how does one change the number of running server daemons? Only way I found was to kill all nfsd daemons and start it with the new number of clients.. there must be a better way (I sure hope so). From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 21:53:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 456CC16A41F for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:53:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from msergeant@snsonline.net) Received: from xyzzy.snsonline.net (office-fw.iexec.net.au [210.18.210.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D445B43D55 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:53:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from msergeant@snsonline.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xyzzy.snsonline.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B8DC4B2958; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 07:53:51 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: <20060104152047.GD1429@complx.LF.net> References: <43BBE24B.8040005@ide.resurscentrum.se> <20060104150858.GD99739@e-Gitt.NET> <20060104152047.GD1429@complx.LF.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2F51FDC6-8E99-445F-9787-3BA274BAC1CB@snsonline.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sergeant Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 07:53:49 +1000 To: Kurt Jaeger X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, Oliver Brandmueller Subject: Re: Network Monitoring X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 21:53:40 -0000 On 05/01/2006, at 1:20 AM, Kurt Jaeger wrote: > Hi! > >> nagios (also in the ports). It's extremely flexible. > > We have performance issues with it (approx. 400 systems). > > Is this just us or ... ? > Nope not just you, 1k hosts and the system was almost unusable on a dual amd mp2800, in the end I wrote my own monitoring system running from a db backend and achieved the same results as nagios with 1/50th the actual load whilst also keeping historical data in a db. Nagios is great if you need the multitude of host checks (ssh,apache,mysql,postgres, etc etc) for a core network, but if you're just after something to check host connectivity it may not be the right tool for the job. Cheers, Mark From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 22:32:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EA8616A41F for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 22:32:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from darren.pilgrim@bitfreak.org) Received: from mail.bitfreak.org (mail.bitfreak.org [65.75.198.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCD9643D45 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 22:32:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from darren.pilgrim@bitfreak.org) Received: from smiley (mail.bitfreak.org [65.75.198.146]) by mail.bitfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8717719F2C; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:32:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Darren Pilgrim" To: "'Francisco Reyes'" , "'Oliver Brandmueller'" Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:32:08 -0800 Message-ID: <000501c6117e$b697c8f0$642a15ac@smiley> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: FreeBSD +NFS + mail services X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:32:24 -0000 From: Francisco Reyes > Oliver Brandmueller writes: > > > > vfs.nfs.iodmaxidle: 120 > > > > Should be pretty self explanatory. > > Tried to search for the meaning of that parameter. Could not > find much info. Care to share some light on it? It's an idle timeout that basically tunes the aggression level of nfsiod kthread recycling. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 22:37:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BB2016A41F for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 22:37:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@stringsutils.com) Received: from zoraida.natserv.net (p65-147.acedsl.com [66.114.65.147]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A5D43D53 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 22:37:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@stringsutils.com) Received: from 35st-server.simplicato.com (static-71-249-233-130.nycmny.east.verizon.net [71.249.233.130]) by zoraida.natserv.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B4A7DEB; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:37:50 -0500 (EST) References: <000501c6117e$b697c8f0$642a15ac@smiley> Message-ID: X-Mailer: http://www.courier-mta.org/cone/ From: Francisco Reyes To: Darren Pilgrim Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:40:04 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, =?ISO-8859-1?B?J09saXZlciBCcmFuZG11ZWxsZXIn?= Subject: Re: FreeBSD +NFS + mail services X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:37:52 -0000 Darren Pilgrim writes: > From: Francisco Reyes >> Oliver Brandmueller writes: >> > >> > vfs.nfs.iodmaxidle: 120 > It's an idle timeout that basically tunes the aggression level of nfsiod > kthread recycling. So, that's how long a nfsiod remains around after it is no longer active? I see that in 2 machines FreeBSD 6 Stable and 5.0 release the machines start 20 clients, some of which have 0 or near 0 time utilization.. but they don't seem to ever go away.. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 22:51:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD99D16A41F for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 22:51:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from darren.pilgrim@bitfreak.org) Received: from mail.bitfreak.org (mail.bitfreak.org [65.75.198.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7920543D5C for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 22:51:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from darren.pilgrim@bitfreak.org) Received: from smiley (mail.bitfreak.org [65.75.198.146]) by mail.bitfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A5919F2C; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:51:13 -0800 (PST) From: "Darren Pilgrim" To: "'Francisco Reyes'" Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:51:03 -0800 Message-ID: <005a01c61181$5a9efca0$642a15ac@smiley> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: FreeBSD +NFS + mail services X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:51:21 -0000 From: Francisco Reyes [mailto:lists@stringsutils.com] > Darren Pilgrim writes: > > From: Francisco Reyes > >> Oliver Brandmueller writes: > >> > > >> > vfs.nfs.iodmaxidle: 120 > > > > It's an idle timeout that basically tunes the aggression > > level of nfsiod kthread recycling. > > So, that's how long a nfsiod remains around after it is no > longer active? It's how long a kthread can sleep before exiting. > I see that in 2 machines FreeBSD 6 Stable and 5.0 release the > machines start 20 clients, some of which have 0 or near 0 time > utilization.. but they don't seem to ever go away.. What's the value of vfs.nfs.iodmin on these machines? From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 23:59:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9868D16A420 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 23:59:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@stringsutils.com) Received: from zoraida.natserv.net (p65-147.acedsl.com [66.114.65.147]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB2E43D45 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 23:59:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@stringsutils.com) Received: from 35st-server.simplicato.com (static-71-249-233-130.nycmny.east.verizon.net [71.249.233.130]) by zoraida.natserv.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D5EB7DE1; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:59:42 -0500 (EST) References: <005a01c61181$5a9efca0$642a15ac@smiley> Message-ID: X-Mailer: http://www.courier-mta.org/cone/ From: Francisco Reyes To: Darren Pilgrim Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:01:56 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD +NFS + mail services X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 23:59:43 -0000 Darren Pilgrim writes: > What's the value of vfs.nfs.iodmin on these machines? vfs.nfs.iodmin: 4 Which was the default. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 01:21:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9670716A41F for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 01:21:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from darren.pilgrim@bitfreak.org) Received: from mail.bitfreak.org (mail.bitfreak.org [65.75.198.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2054943D64 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 01:21:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from darren.pilgrim@bitfreak.org) Received: from smiley (mail.bitfreak.org [65.75.198.146]) by mail.bitfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA7F19F2C; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:21:02 -0800 (PST) From: "Darren Pilgrim" To: "'Francisco Reyes'" Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:20:53 -0800 Message-ID: <006101c61196$49037dd0$642a15ac@smiley> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: FreeBSD +NFS + mail services X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 01:21:06 -0000 From: Francisco Reyes [mailto:lists@stringsutils.com] > Darren Pilgrim writes: > > > > What's the value of vfs.nfs.iodmin on these machines? > > vfs.nfs.iodmin: 4 > > Which was the default. The default setting requires the thread to sleep for a full two minutes before exiting. It would be easy to generate a real workload light enough to be below process time accounting precision (which is really low even on modest hardware), yet still give the kthread something to do every t < iodmaxidle seconds. If you make iodmaxidle very short, say 5, do you see nfsiod threads recycling? From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 04:44:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10E2216A41F for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 04:44:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dgilbert@daveg.ca) Received: from ox.eicat.ca (ox.eicat.ca [66.96.30.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96E8843D6A for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 04:44:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dgilbert@daveg.ca) Received: by ox.eicat.ca (Postfix, from userid 66) id 62D3C10D30; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 23:44:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by canoe.dclg.ca (Postfix, from userid 101) id 71DCE1A08A9; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 23:43:57 -0500 (EST) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17340.41997.290075.251660@canoe.dclg.ca> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 23:43:57 -0500 To: Francisco Reyes In-Reply-To: References: <17339.61532.649959.1059@canoe.dclg.ca> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 18) "Social Property" XEmacs Lucid Cc: FreeBSD ISP , David Gilbert Subject: Re: FreeBSD +NFS + mail services X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 04:44:14 -0000 >>>>> "Francisco" == Francisco Reyes writes: Francisco> David Gilbert writes: >> remaining processes have little or none. As more of your NFS >> processes are charged for time, you may want to increase the number >> you run. FreeBSD seems to run more client daemons dynamically, so >> you only need to worry about the number of server daemons you run. Francisco> I have the following on a machine: ps aux|head -n 1|ps auxw Francisco> |grep nfs root 317 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? DL 12:47PM 0:00.41 Francisco> [nfsiod 0] root 318 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? DL 12:47PM 0:00.31 Francisco> [nfsiod 1] root 319 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? DL 12:47PM 0:00.19 Francisco> [nfsiod 2] root 320 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? DL 12:47PM 0:00.12 Francisco> [nfsiod 3] root 2316 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? DL 1:17PM 0:00.06 Francisco> [nfsiod 4] root 2317 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? DL 1:17PM 0:00.04 Francisco> [nfsiod 5] root 5486 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? SL 1:39PM 0:00.02 Francisco> [nfsiod 6] root 5637 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? SL 1:39PM 0:00.01 Francisco> [nfsiod 7] root 5638 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? SL 1:39PM 0:00.01 Francisco> [nfsiod 8] root 6563 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? SL 1:46PM 0:00.01 Francisco> [nfsiod 9] root 6564 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? SL 1:46PM 0:00.00 Francisco> [nfsiod 10] root 6565 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? IL 1:46PM 0:00.00 Francisco> [nfsiod 11] root 6566 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? IL 1:46PM 0:00.00 Francisco> [nfsiod 12] root 6567 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? IL 1:46PM 0:00.00 Francisco> [nfsiod 13] root 7089 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? IL 1:51PM 0:00.00 Francisco> [nfsiod 14] root 7090 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? IL 1:51PM 0:00.00 Francisco> [nfsiod 15] root 7091 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? IL 1:51PM 0:00.00 Francisco> [nfsiod 16] root 7092 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? IL 1:51PM 0:00.00 Francisco> [nfsiod 17] root 7093 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? IL 1:51PM 0:00.00 Francisco> [nfsiod 18] root 7095 0.0 0.0 0 8 ?? IL 1:51PM 0:00.00 Francisco> [nfsiod 19] Francisco> It seems that for the most part most of those nfs clients Francisco> are not used. I then wonder why they were started. Francisco> What would be the impact on setting the upper limit of Francisco> clients to 10? Specially on a case like the above it Francisco> doesn't seem like 20 were needed to begin with.. It does seem like most of them arn't used. I'd say your number is somewhere between 4 and 8, but considering that these are just kernel threads, having 20 around may not be costing you enough to worry. Certainly, you don't require more. Francisco> Also, on the server how does one change the number of Francisco> running server daemons? Only way I found was to kill all Francisco> nfsd daemons and start it with the new number of Francisco> clients.. there must be a better way (I sure hope so). Now... this could be memory from other versions of UNIX showing up, but I seem to remember running nfsd with a larger -n argument starting mroe daemons ... but that might not be FreeBSD. The server side is certainly less dynamic. Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Independent Contractor. | Two things can be | |Mail: dave@daveg.ca | equal if and only if they | |http://daveg.ca | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 05:09:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 753EF16A41F for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 05:09:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@stringsutils.com) Received: from zoraida.natserv.net (p65-147.acedsl.com [66.114.65.147]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FBE343D49 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 05:09:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@stringsutils.com) Received: from zoraida.natserv.net (zoraida.natserv.net [66.114.65.147]) by zoraida.natserv.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48EA97D8C; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 00:09:42 -0500 (EST) References: <006101c61196$49037dd0$642a15ac@smiley> Message-ID: X-Mailer: http://www.courier-mta.org/cone/ From: Francisco Reyes To: Darren Pilgrim Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 00:09:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD +NFS + mail services X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 05:09:45 -0000 Darren Pilgrim writes: > If you make iodmaxidle very short, say 5, do you see nfsiod threads > recycling? Yes that did it. At first even 5 was not doing anything... but I think some cron jobs had just started because I noticed all clients had nfsiod started exactly at the same time. I will play with the value, but for now plan to leave at 30. Now to figure out how to easily change the server number of processes. :-) From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 05:11:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9599E16A41F for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 05:11:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@stringsutils.com) Received: from zoraida.natserv.net (p65-147.acedsl.com [66.114.65.147]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4690143D58 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 05:11:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@stringsutils.com) Received: from zoraida.natserv.net (zoraida.natserv.net [66.114.65.147]) by zoraida.natserv.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C6D7D9D; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 00:11:40 -0500 (EST) References: <006101c61196$49037dd0$642a15ac@smiley> Message-ID: X-Mailer: http://www.courier-mta.org/cone/ From: Francisco Reyes To: Darren Pilgrim Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 00:11:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD +NFS + mail services X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 05:11:41 -0000 Darren Pilgrim writes: > If you make iodmaxidle very short, say 5, do you see nfsiod threads > recycling? One other question.. since most of the time it seems most threads beyond 10 are not used, what if any, could be the harm on setting the limit to 10? From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 05:14:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF4916A41F for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 05:14:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@stringsutils.com) Received: from zoraida.natserv.net (p65-147.acedsl.com [66.114.65.147]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CE2143D48 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 05:14:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@stringsutils.com) Received: from zoraida.natserv.net (zoraida.natserv.net [66.114.65.147]) by zoraida.natserv.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6435C7D9D; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 00:14:54 -0500 (EST) References: <17339.61532.649959.1059@canoe.dclg.ca> <17340.41997.290075.251660@canoe.dclg.ca> Message-ID: X-Mailer: http://www.courier-mta.org/cone/ From: Francisco Reyes To: David Gilbert Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 00:14:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: FreeBSD +NFS + mail services X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 05:14:55 -0000 David Gilbert writes: Darren Pilgrim > It does seem like most of them arn't used. I'd say your number is > somewhere between 4 and 8, but considering that these are just kernel > threads, having 20 around may not be costing you enough to worry. > Certainly, you don't require more. I am more concerned with having more connections than needed on the server... specially as the number of clients increase. Thanks to Darren Pilgrim I decreased sysctl vfs.nfs.iodmaxidle to 30 instead of 120. That way those nfs client programs will only wait 30 seconds of idle time before dissapearing. I am also considering setting the upper limit for clients to 10. > but I seem to remember running nfsd with a larger -n argument starting > mroe daemons ... but that might not be FreeBSD. The server side is > certainly less dynamic. Thanks. Will try that on a test machine. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 05:28:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7AD16A41F for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 05:28:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dgilbert@daveg.ca) Received: from ox.eicat.ca (ox.eicat.ca [66.96.30.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6CE943D62 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 05:28:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dgilbert@daveg.ca) Received: by ox.eicat.ca (Postfix, from userid 66) id 18C601174C; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 00:28:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by canoe.dclg.ca (Postfix, from userid 101) id BCAD01A08FC; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 00:28:44 -0500 (EST) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17340.44684.682393.620685@canoe.dclg.ca> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 00:28:44 -0500 To: Francisco Reyes In-Reply-To: References: <17339.61532.649959.1059@canoe.dclg.ca> <17340.41997.290075.251660@canoe.dclg.ca> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 18) "Social Property" XEmacs Lucid Cc: FreeBSD ISP , David Gilbert Subject: Re: FreeBSD +NFS + mail services X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 05:28:52 -0000 >>>>> "Francisco" == Francisco Reyes writes: Francisco> I am more concerned with having more connections than Francisco> needed on the server... specially as the number of clients Francisco> increase. I think that's delt with just fine by the limit on the maximum number of them. Francisco> Thanks to Darren Pilgrim I decreased sysctl Francisco> vfs.nfs.iodmaxidle to 30 instead of 120. That way those nfs Francisco> client programs will only wait 30 seconds of idle time Francisco> before dissapearing. Francisco> I am also considering setting the upper limit for clients Francisco> to 10. Remember that, in the end, this is really just a limit on parallelism. I remember some wizdom from way back when that you wanted this number around 2x to 4x the number of actual spools servicing things as there really wasn't any point in growing it further. Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Independent Contractor. | Two things can be | |Mail: dave@daveg.ca | equal if and only if they | |http://daveg.ca | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 06:36:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 211D116A41F for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 06:36:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@stringsutils.com) Received: from zoraida.natserv.net (p65-147.acedsl.com [66.114.65.147]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B56A343D45 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 06:36:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@stringsutils.com) Received: from zoraida.natserv.net (zoraida.natserv.net [66.114.65.147]) by zoraida.natserv.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F11437D8C; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 01:36:50 -0500 (EST) References: <17339.61532.649959.1059@canoe.dclg.ca> <17340.41997.290075.251660@canoe.dclg.ca> <17340.44684.682393.620685@canoe.dclg.ca> Message-ID: X-Mailer: http://www.courier-mta.org/cone/ From: Francisco Reyes To: David Gilbert Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 01:36:50 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: FreeBSD +NFS + mail services X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 06:36:52 -0000 David Gilbert writes: > Remember that, in the end, this is really just a limit on > parallelism. I remember some wizdom from way back when that you > wanted this number around 2x to 4x the number of actual spools > servicing things as there really wasn't any point in growing it > further. It seems most of the time all 20.. are staying around.. so plan to leave it to 20.. but just decrease the period of the idle timeout.. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 14:23:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@FREEBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@FREEBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF9F16A41F for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:23:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from LISTSERV@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU) Received: from bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu (bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu [128.226.1.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41E7543D60 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:23:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from LISTSERV@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU) Received: from bulistsrv (listserv.binghamton.edu [128.226.99.50]) by bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k05ENi2x017866 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:23:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200601051423.k05ENi2x017866@bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:59:55 -0500 From: "L-Soft list server at Binghamton University (1.8e)" To: freebsd-isp@FREEBSD.ORG Cc: Subject: Message ("Your message dated Thu, 05 Jan 2006 13:59:54 UTC...") X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 14:23:46 -0000 Your message dated Thu, 05 Jan 2006 13:59:54 UTC with subject "hi, ive a new mail address" has been submitted to the moderator of the SOMUG-L list: Brian Perry . From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 17:03:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2352B16A420 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:03:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lk@tempest.sk) Received: from mailgw.dgrp.sk (mailgw.dgrp.sk [195.28.127.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D69043D62 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:03:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lk@tempest.sk) Received: by mailgw.dgrp.sk (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 66ABE34A5A3; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 18:03:28 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on mailgw.dgrp.sk X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from webmail.tempest.sk (domino1.tempest.sk [195.28.100.38]) by mailgw.dgrp.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E1D34A5A2; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 18:03:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from lk.tempest.sk ([195.28.109.47]) by webmail.tempest.sk (Lotus Domino Release 6.5.4) with ESMTP id 2006010518032368-11663 ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 18:03:23 +0100 Received: from lk.tempest.sk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lk.tempest.sk (8.13.3/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05H3IXK099271; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 18:03:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from lk@lk.tempest.sk) Received: (from koren@localhost) by lk.tempest.sk (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id k05H3INT099268; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 18:03:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from lk) X-Authentication-Warning: lk.tempest.sk: koren set sender to lk using -f Sender: lk@tempest.sk To: Borge Brunes References: <43BBE24B.8040005@ide.resurscentrum.se> <20060104191021.W98907@duke.cc.uit.no> From: Ludo Koren Date: 05 Jan 2006 18:03:18 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20060104191021.W98907@duke.cc.uit.no> Message-ID: <87vewyobe1.fsf@lk.tempest.sk> Lines: 90 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Domino1/DGRP(Release 6.5.4|March 27, 2005) at 05.01.2006 18:03:23, Serialize by Router on Domino1/DGRP(Release 6.5.4|March 27, 2005) at 05.01.2006 18:03:24, Serialize complete at 05.01.2006 18:03:24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network Monitoring X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:03:35 -0000 >>>>> Borge Brunes writes: > On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, Jon Otterholm wrote: >> What monitor system should I choose to monitor servers, routers >> and switches? It must be able to send alarms via SMS - i have a >> sms-modem/phone connected to com-port (Nokia 30). > Have a look at NAV http://metanav.ntnu.no/moin.cgi "Network > Administration Visualized is an advanced software suite to > monitor large computer networks. It automatically discovers > network topology, monitors network load and outages, and can > send alerts on network events by e-mail and SMS, allowing for > flexible configuration of alert profiles." > L2-traceroute is available in the development/svn-version > All norwegian universities and most colleges are using it. NTNU > is monitoring <1000 devices, we (univ. of Tromso) about 400. > We have also made some more modules to NAV that will we > available int he next release (freeradius accounting from VPN, > 802.1x wired and wireless, cabel documentation). An > integration with Stager (http://software.uninett.no/stager/) is > also "around the corner". > The NAV is in the port system, but it's not up to date. Dru > Lagvine has build a new port during this christmas holliday, > and I guess it will be public available this week. You could > also get the latest release using svn. > Today one of the maintainers announced this on the NAV > users-list: "As I mentioned in a previous posting NTNU and > UNINETT are currently planning the 2006 NAV activity. We are > more ambitious this year and are prepared to put a lot of > resources into maintaining and further developing NAV. We are > currently working on a list of new features to implement. I > could present the list, but at this stage I will rather ask the > NAV community... what do you want?" > You are all welcome to join the NAV community! Hi, I tried to install it and experiment a little bit with it. I have problems running web interface. After adding options P1003_1B_SEMAPHORES to my kernel and recompiling apache with threads, I've got the following error: Mod_python error: "PythonHandler mod_python.publisher" Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/mod_python/apache.py", line 299, in HandlerDispatch result = object(req) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/mod_python/publisher.py", line 98, in handler path=[path]) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/mod_python/apache.py", line 457, in import_module module = imp.load_module(mname, f, p, d) File "/usr/local/www/data/nav/webroot/index.py", line 32, in ? from nav.web import ldapAuth File "/usr/local/nav/lib/python/nav/web/ldapAuth.py", line 34, in ? import ldap File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/ldap/__init__.py", line 39, in ? import threading File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/threading.py", line 691, in ? _MainThread() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/threading.py", line 614, in __init__ Thread.__init__(self, name="MainThread") File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/threading.py", line 387, in __init__ self.__block = Condition(Lock()) error: can't allocate lock Could you point to me what I am missing? Thank you very much. Regards, lk From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 16:15:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0FFA16A41F for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 16:15:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jasonkmckay@gmail.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8176743D46 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 16:15:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jasonkmckay@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so2930574wra for ; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 08:15:44 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ZI9OfXRUfd45l3Nd4blkLEmcS7MmVaw32y8k5j1JuYjoJyqdgxYH2l/5v6g5xVKGtkZqeUP3/nSFFzUwtF/pmQYWDKegh03rZvceAczEF7v8BOqMXqLt0vi9MMTD9kgCHAfcH1JIQrqGCnFnZ1RQuqNnEIKMrkixk/w5TS+dvaQ= Received: by 10.64.195.17 with SMTP id s17mr2162760qbf; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 08:15:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.189.15 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 08:15:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 00:15:44 +0800 From: Jason McKay To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Auth probs with POP server X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jasonm@webace.com.au List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:15:47 -0000 I'm looking for a way to allow my POP server to accept logins from user@domain.com and user (without the domain). Currently i'm running QPOP, is there a way to do this with QPOP or can you suggest a POP server that will allow this. Thanks.