From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 00:40:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC65D16A403 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:40:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dead_line@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s30.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s30.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8098C43D45 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:40:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dead_line@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.175.30]) by bay0-omc3-s30.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 9 Sep 2006 17:40:07 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 17:40:07 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.175.200 by by104fd.bay104.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:40:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [62.150.204.246] X-Originating-Email: [dead_line@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dead_line@hotmail.com From: "Marwan Sultan" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:40:03 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Sep 2006 00:40:07.0260 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9D8F9C0:01C6D471] Subject: failed to enable memory mapping! (help please) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:40:07 -0000 Hello Everyone, during my 6.1 installation, I'm getting this error. atapci1: port 0x20c8-0x20cf, 0x20ec-0x20ef,0x20c0- 0x20c7,0x20e8-0x20eb,0x20a0-0x20af irq 19 at device 31.2 on pci atapci1: failed to enable memory mapping! Google didnot help much, So anyhelp please? Motherboard is intel945 and sata Hard drive, The problem is the box is shutting down sometimes.. as a sudden shuttin down.. The box really has no abnormal hardwares, only Rams, harddrive and the motherboard. Also only running Freeradius, chillispot, MySql 4.1, apache2. acting as NAT and hotspot login. Any help about this problem please? Where to get the logs for this shutting down, i cannot see any errors messages or dmesg logs. 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Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 00:59:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C124C16A412 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:59:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5183843D46 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:59:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (wm.hub.org [200.46.204.128]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1413A291AFE; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 21:58:57 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.128]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 83330-05; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:58:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-137-86-60.eastlink.ca [24.137.86.60]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CD2F290C74; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 21:58:56 -0300 (ADT) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1027) id 630DE34D50; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 21:58:58 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E8DC33CC9; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 21:58:58 -0300 (ADT) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 21:58:58 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" X-X-Sender: freebsd@ganymede.hub.org To: Jonathan Horne In-Reply-To: <200609091722.13035.freebsd@dfwlp.com> Message-ID: <20060909215837.H1031@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20060909183200.H10669@ganymede.hub.org> <200609091722.13035.freebsd@dfwlp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RSSreader: Recommendations Sought X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:59:00 -0000 'k, what port is this in? :( I just searched all the kde ones I know about, and can't find it ... On Sat, 9 Sep 2006, Jonathan Horne wrote: > On Saturday 09 September 2006 16:32, Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> Anyone suggest a good one that runs under FreeBSD? >> >> Thx in advance ... >> >> ---- >> Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) >> Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org >> Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 >> _______________________________________________ > > im a kde user, so kaggregator works for me (which it also integrates into > kontact). when i happen to anywhere else, i just use the "customized" google > page, and just insert all the feeds i want to keep up with. > > hth, > jonathan > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 01:04:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584C216A40F for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:04:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cperciva@freebsd.org) Received: from pd4mo2so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 351B043D46 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:04:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cperciva@freebsd.org) Received: from pd4mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr7so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.84]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J5C00H71QWLRY40@l-daemon> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 19:02:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml1so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.145]) by pd4mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J5C00C0SQWLEAK0@pd4mr7so.prod.shaw.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 19:02:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hexahedron.daemonology.net ([24.82.18.31]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with SMTP id <0J5C00LK5QWK2IF0@l-daemon> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 19:02:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 11332 invoked from network); Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:02:36 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:02:36 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 18:02:36 -0700 From: Colin Percival In-reply-to: <20060909215837.H1031@ganymede.hub.org> To: "Marc G. Fournier" Message-id: <4503642C.80309@freebsd.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 References: <20060909183200.H10669@ganymede.hub.org> <200609091722.13035.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <20060909215837.H1031@ganymede.hub.org> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060416) Cc: Jonathan Horne , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RSSreader: Recommendations Sought X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:04:51 -0000 Marc G. Fournier wrote: > 'k, what port is this in? :( I just searched all the kde ones I know > about, and can't find it ... I think Jonathan probably meant akregator, which is part of kdepim. Colin Percival From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 01:16:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC1516A403 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:16:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lloy0076@adam.com.au) Received: from levanto.mail.adnap.net.au (levanto.mail.adnap.net.au [203.6.132.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CC1543D45 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:16:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lloy0076@adam.com.au) Received: from [192.168.1.247] (219-90-251-46.ip.adam.com.au [219.90.251.46]) by levanto.mail.adnap.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 189B05954 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:46:03 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <45036753.7060705@adam.com.au> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:46:03 +0930 From: David Lloyd User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FreeBSD Slices on a PC Compatible Logical Device X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:16:04 -0000 Hi There, I partitioned my PC Compatible machine like this: /dev/hda1 - Normal partition /dev/hda2 - Normal partition /dev/hda3 - ~100 gigabyte logical partition There's no sectors left to make another normal partition. From what I can gather in the documentation, a FreeBSD slice (in this case one made for/by FreeBSD 6.1) needs to be in a normal partition. I've read the relevant parts of: the handbook, The Complete FreeBSD and I have also seen what the FreeBSD 6.1 installer would attempt to do. All of my reading seems to state that FreeBSD requires a "normal" partition to make its slice(s) in. That said, I seem to have a few options: 1. Somehow rearrange my partitions so that I can get a normal partition - GNU Parted would work except it doesn't seem to like XFS partitions 2. Reinstall my primary operating system (which happens to be Debian SID) and partition the disk such that I -can- put FreeBSD in an appropriate partition 3. Run FreeBSD under something like VMWare My other alternative would be to take a great leap and use FreeBSD exclusively and work out how to migrate my "home" data to FreeBSD. Therefore, my questions would be: 1. Is there a way (other than using VMWare) to get FreeBSD onto a partition inside the large logical partition I have? 2. If not, does anyone know of any free (as in beer) tools that would be able to move Linux partitions about with XFS filesystems? - I don't think GNU Parted likes XFS filesystems 3. Would VMWare be a solution to my dilemma? 4. Is there an option that I haven't considered [apart from panickin!]? DSL From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 01:36:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A0F16A407 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:36:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@msu.edu) Received: from sys12.mail.msu.edu (sys12.mail.msu.edu [35.9.75.112]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E32F43D46 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:36:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jerrymc@msu.edu) Received: from jerrymc by sys12.mail.msu.edu with local (Exim 4.52 #1) id 1GMEF4-0004bx-PT; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 21:36:14 -0400 References: <45036753.7060705@adam.com.au> In-Reply-To: <45036753.7060705@adam.com.au> From: "Jerold McAllister" To: David Lloyd Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 21:36:08 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Virus: None found by Clam AV Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Slices on a PC Compatible Logical Device X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:36:17 -0000 David Lloyd writes: > > Hi There, > > I partitioned my PC Compatible machine like this: > > /dev/hda1 - Normal partition > /dev/hda2 - Normal partition > /dev/hda3 - ~100 gigabyte logical partition > > There's no sectors left to make another normal partition. > > From what I can gather in the documentation, a FreeBSD slice (in this > case one made for/by FreeBSD 6.1) needs to be in a normal partition. > I've read the relevant parts of: the handbook, The Complete FreeBSD and > I have also seen what the FreeBSD 6.1 installer would attempt to do. > > All of my reading seems to state that FreeBSD requires a "normal" > partition to make its slice(s) in. > > That said, I seem to have a few options: > > 1. Somehow rearrange my partitions so that I can get a normal partition > - GNU Parted would work except it doesn't seem to like XFS partitions > > 2. Reinstall my primary operating system (which happens to be Debian > SID) and partition the disk such that I -can- put FreeBSD in an > appropriate partition > > 3. Run FreeBSD under something like VMWare > > My other alternative would be to take a great leap and use FreeBSD > exclusively and work out how to migrate my "home" data to FreeBSD. > > Therefore, my questions would be: > > 1. Is there a way (other than using VMWare) to get FreeBSD onto a > partition inside the large logical partition I have? > > 2. If not, does anyone know of any free (as in beer) tools that would be > able to move Linux partitions about with XFS filesystems? > - I don't think GNU Parted likes XFS filesystems > > 3. Would VMWare be a solution to my dilemma? > > 4. Is there an option that I haven't considered [apart from panickin!]? > > DSL Generally, FreeBSD needs a primary slice to boot and run. I assume what you are calling 'normal partition' is what is called a primary slice. My suggestion is to shrink that 'logical partition' and make a 4th slice that is primary and put FreeBSd there, unless one of those other 'normal partitions' are are not needed. Then, just use the installer to delete what is in the slice and create it with a FreeBSD slice and go from there. Alternately you can add a disk. ////jerry > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 01:43:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 560CF16A40F for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:43:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lloy0076@adam.com.au) Received: from cyclone.mail.adnap.net.au (cyclone.mail.adnap.net.au [203.6.132.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EACFF43D45 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:43:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lloy0076@adam.com.au) Received: from [192.168.1.247] (219-90-251-46.ip.adam.com.au [219.90.251.46]) by cyclone.mail.adnap.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA2F98B45; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:13:19 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <45036DB8.9000201@adam.com.au> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:13:20 +0930 From: David Lloyd User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jerold McAllister References: <45036753.7060705@adam.com.au> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Slices on a PC Compatible Logical Device X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:43:21 -0000 Jerry, > Generally, FreeBSD needs a primary slice to boot and run. > I assume what you are calling 'normal partition' is what is > called a primary slice. Thanks - I had a mental blank as to what to call primary slices :) > My suggestion is to shrink that 'logical partition' and make > a 4th slice that is primary and put FreeBSd there, unless one of > those other 'normal partitions' are are not needed. Then, just use > the installer to delete what is in the slice and create it with > a FreeBSD slice and go from there. Alternately you can add > a disk. I think that's what I'll attempt to do (i.e. shrink the logical partition). DSL From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 02:06:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 913CC16A407 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 02:06:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@msu.edu) Received: from sys17.mail.msu.edu (sys17.mail.msu.edu [35.9.75.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5103443D45 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 02:06:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jerrymc@msu.edu) Received: from jerrymc by sys17.mail.msu.edu with local (Exim 4.52 #1) id 1GMEih-0002Nj-DU; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:06:51 -0400 References: <45036753.7060705@adam.com.au> <45036DB8.9000201@adam.com.au> In-Reply-To: <45036DB8.9000201@adam.com.au> From: "Jerold McAllister" To: David Lloyd Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:06:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Virus: None found by Clam AV Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Slices on a PC Compatible Logical Device X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 02:06:52 -0000 David Lloyd writes: > > Jerry, > >> Generally, FreeBSD needs a primary slice to boot and run. >> I assume what you are calling 'normal partition' is what is >> called a primary slice. > > Thanks - I had a mental blank as to what to call primary slices :) > >> My suggestion is to shrink that 'logical partition' and make >> a 4th slice that is primary and put FreeBSd there, unless one of >> those other 'normal partitions' are are not needed. Then, just use >> the installer to delete what is in the slice and create it with >> a FreeBSD slice and go from there. Alternately you can add >> a disk. > > I think that's what I'll attempt to do (i.e. shrink the logical > partition). I have had pretty good luck with Partition Magic for that sort of thing but I have never mucked with so called logical partitions. Also, PM is not free. I got mine at Best Buy, I think. ////jerry > > DSL > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 02:43:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6282C16A40F for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 02:43:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdow@earthlink.net) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB93F43D49 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 02:43:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jdow@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=SnfiNCS2kOTvgB58abPBM9Rv4O85hTHF/Q/g9CucclY/kzHyvjnTpY4+Z6Bj5dJw; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.116.130.69] (helo=Wednesday) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GMFHa-0006u9-Rl for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:42:55 -0400 Message-ID: <089001c6d482$d1531d80$0225a8c0@Wednesday> From: "jdow" To: References: <20060909201151.30355.qmail@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 19:42:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-ELNK-Trace: bb89ecdb26a8f9f24d2b10475b5711209d56e1ad2b46a575584265ba928caf27dead17e0afdcfc8e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.116.130.69 Subject: Re: Origin of hard drive parameters X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 02:43:01 -0000 From: "stheg olloydson" > > On 9 Sep 2006 14:54:09 -0000 ihilt wrote: > >>On Wednesday 06 September 2006 7:54 pm, jdow wrote: >> >>> >> Ok. Maybe the better question is: in either case, C/H/S or > LBA mode, >>> >> where are these parameters stored? >> >>> They flat out are not stored anywhere. There is a standard > algorithm >>> published by the VESA people, I believe, that provides the > data for >>> all SCSI drives and modern IDE/ATA/SATA drives. >> >>Do you know the name of this standard or where I can get it? >> >>Ian Graeme Hilt > > Actually, the stardard is created by the T13 Technical Committee > of the InterNational Committee for Information Technology > Standards (INCITS), formerly the Accredited Standards Committee > X3, Information Technology. Its standards are published by ANSI. > The one you are looking for is ANSI INCITS 397-2005 AT > Attachment - 7 with Packet Interface. You can download a pdf > from techstreet.com for $30.00US. Just search for 397-2005. > You can also get a free copy of a working draft of a standard > withdrawn in 2002, X3.298-1996, from t13.org. While the > information you are looking is unlikely to have changed between > 1996 and 2005, you are in a better position to weigh the benefit > to your project of saving $30.00US versus using possibly > horribly wrong information. (It is a _working draft_ from 1996, > after all.) It's probably cheaper to read the code for the GNU BIOS project or for things like fdisk. It should be present in both places. {^_-} From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 02:53:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B50E16A403 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 02:53:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdow@earthlink.net) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EBC943D49 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 02:53:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jdow@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=C9dOWcIEOqxoG1eL6DOxF1oN3U8vVFX/eBS3xUPKThbSDetsps41dH4BL4hzsEQn; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.116.130.69] (helo=Wednesday) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GMFRj-0004iS-IO for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:53:23 -0400 Message-ID: <089801c6d484$4812a1b0$0225a8c0@Wednesday> From: "jdow" To: References: <20060909201151.30355.qmail@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 19:53:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-ELNK-Trace: bb89ecdb26a8f9f24d2b10475b5711209d56e1ad2b46a57527a4cb3411c1fd880c76740db0cb89d0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.116.130.69 Subject: Re: Origin of hard drive parameters X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 02:53:33 -0000 From: "stheg olloydson" > On 9 Sep 2006 14:54:09 -0000 ihilt wrote: > >>On Wednesday 06 September 2006 7:54 pm, jdow wrote: >> >>> >> Ok. Maybe the better question is: in either case, C/H/S or > LBA mode, >>> >> where are these parameters stored? >> >>> They flat out are not stored anywhere. There is a standard > algorithm >>> published by the VESA people, I believe, that provides the > data for >>> all SCSI drives and modern IDE/ATA/SATA drives. >> >>Do you know the name of this standard or where I can get it? >> >>Ian Graeme Hilt > > Actually, the stardard is created by the T13 Technical Committee And my idle curiosity would like to know why Ian is interested in such an antiquated topic? There is a size limit beyond which CHS simply does not work. The setting of CHS is in practice utterly arbitrary. For (many/most?) USB ram disk plugins the T13 standard does not apply due to internal ram layout. And so forth. (Certainly on the Amiga this CHS nonsense made no practical difference except on floppy disks or ST-506 based disk drives. And in playing with recovering a blown block zero on an Windows machine (more than once) I learned that CHS is utterly arbitrary on Windows. It is arbitrary with USB ram disk modulo the ram disk's internal layout and spares setup. And since large disks for which CHS runs out of size abound I imagine there is not a place in the 'n'x world where CHS matters. So I am suspecting historical curiosity if anything else. As for storing it - read block zero of the disk. Be DAMN careful not to WRITE to block zero. And if you DO write to block zero at about the time I quit doing such low level stuff and moved to other things there were several SCSI hard disk manufacturers using code that had a defect such that if you wrote more than one disk block starting at block 0 the whole disk was toast until you did a fresh low level format on it. One sincerely hopes THAT defect is gone these days.) {O.O} Joanne From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 03:08:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 795F316A407 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 03:08:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from henry.lenzi@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C53F743D55 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 03:08:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from henry.lenzi@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so1156309wxd for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 20:08:47 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=E8hzMF4bWCrxZ113RekY7B5Iv0RET1pKaamTbqtc2crp4yGrZNMeBJvNB/KbJnphrM+1rn9sz9HkhaDwskx3tj7EwHGkIbeY0r7ZgVN+TFXti4QCONYus+nmy0cTIhupLR/uGrQan4uG+kN+C34LbafD9VULOCg9RuP6nW40fO8= Received: by 10.70.69.11 with SMTP id r11mr3768096wxa; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 20:08:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.95.9 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 20:08:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8b4c81f0609092008h48336ebbq9efef35c089d9c1a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:08:47 -0300 From: "Henry Lenzi" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Can you have both KOI-R and ISO8859-15? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 03:08:48 -0000 Hi -- I guess I am falling in a strange intersection...I need to be able to read/work with Russian and Latin-1 on my system. Russian filenames are just gibberish right now... Is there a way to have both? Or is this a problem that'll only get solved with Unicode? More and more we need to use foreign languages these days for our work... TIA, Henry Lenzi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 03:27:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4278116A494 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 03:27:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from parv@pair.com) Received: from mta9.adelphia.net (mta9.adelphia.net [68.168.78.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC6B43D5F for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 03:27:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from parv@pair.com) Received: from default.chvlva.adelphia.net ([69.160.66.115]) by mta9.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060910032719.NOQ10083.mta9.adelphia.net@default.chvlva.adelphia.net>; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 23:27:19 -0400 Received: by default.chvlva.adelphia.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D2848B616; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 23:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 23:27:29 -0400 From: Parv To: Joel Adamson Message-ID: <20060910032729.GA5048@holestein.holy.cow> Mail-Followup-To: Joel Adamson , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20060909024946.92342.qmail@web50403.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060909024946.92342.qmail@web50403.mail.yahoo.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Window Manager Recommendations X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 03:27:21 -0000 in message <20060909024946.92342.qmail@web50403.mail.yahoo.com>, wrote Joel Adamson thusly... > > I am switching over my desktop system to FreeBSD ... want to > choose a nice window manager. One of the more annoying things I > want to get away from in Microsoft Windows is focus-shifting: I'll > be typing along in one place, then a webpage will finish loading, > the window focus shifts, I keep typing and execute a bunch of > commands in the new window ... > In general I'd prefer a window manager that avoids these sorts of > things (i.e., only does what I ask it to). In FVWM (under /usr/ports/x11-wm/fvwm2-devel), you can set the window raising & moving, focus changing, & pointer moving poiclies to achieve what you want. You can even set it per window (based on its resource or title). You should install fvwm-themes too (in /usr/ports/x11-themes/fvwm-themes) if you don't want to directly edit the configuration files. - Parv -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 03:49:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D31916A40F for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 03:49:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lavalamp@spiritual-machines.org) Received: from mail.digitalfreaks.org (arbitor.digitalfreaks.org [216.151.95.158]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B77343D46 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 03:49:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lavalamp@spiritual-machines.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.digitalfreaks.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0FD1817C; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 23:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.digitalfreaks.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.digitalfreaks.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 39902-04; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 23:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.13] (c-67-163-203-63.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [67.163.203.63]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.digitalfreaks.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E0E1817B; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 23:49:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian A. Seklecki" To: ke han In-Reply-To: <09335E9A-54BA-4D94-A1F4-AB05D51C37DA@redstarling.com> References: <1150043830.3540.116.camel@compulsion> <20060907124923.J88388@arbitor.digitalfreaks.org> <09335E9A-54BA-4D94-A1F4-AB05D51C37DA@redstarling.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1157860179.4207.114.camel@compulsion> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6-5.1.100mdk Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 23:49:39 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, wmoran@collaborativefusion.com Subject: Re: PERC 5/E SAS RAID in Dell PowerEdge 1950/2950 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 03:49:44 -0000 On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 20:07, ke han wrote: > On Sep 8, 2006, at 12:49 AM, Brian A. Seklecki wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, 11 Jun 2006, Brian A. Seklecki wrote: > > > >> All: > >> > >> Does anyone have details about the new PERC 5/E SAS RAID > >> controller Dell > >> is (or will soon be) shipping in the 1950/2950? > >> > > > > For the record, this is mfi(4). > > Have you done an install of FreeBSD 6.1 on a 1950/2950? Does the > install kernel automatically recognize RAID arrays you have setup It finds the RAID controller fine. However, we're very concerned about the lack of a management CLI like ports/sysutils/megarc. It's the DRAC5 virtual USB keyboard that requires you sacrifice your moral integrity to obtain. A small price to pay, considering the client requires ActiveX and Java. Also I had some problems with if_bce.c < rev1.7. Media state confusion. ~BAS > with the PERC 5 bios? IOW, do I have to manually load some updated > module outside of the default 6.1 install and config? > > thanks, ke han > > > > > Yay! > > > > ~BAS > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 05:52:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 948B916A407 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 05:52:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (mail.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5832943D45 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 05:52:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.171.127.191] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1GMIFA-000No4-ME for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 23:52:36 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1B346830-A705-4E92-8532-0256A64838BB@shire.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List From: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 23:52:36 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.171.127.191 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on hobbiton.shire.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Subject: bge0: PHY read timed out X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 05:52:37 -0000 I have a machine that is acting up. It was doing this a couple weeks ago and I replaced the motherboard thinking that maybe the physical ethernet port was going bad (connector or chip). The new motherboard is starting to act up the same way after a week or two of running fine and I am wondering if something else might be the issue. After the uname I list the stuff from the syslog before it goes off the net and my auto rebooter power strip thinks it has crashed and forces a reboot (which I have now turned off so I can go in and look more next time it happens). This did not happen for the last week or two and all of a sudden happened about 5 times today... # uname -a FreeBSD whitwell.shire.net 6.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE #1: Fri May 19 01:50:39 MDT 2006 chad@mlg3.shire.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ WHITWELL i386 # Sep 9 20:49:02 whitwell kernel: bge0: PHY read timed out Sep 9 20:49:02 whitwell last message repeated 3 times Sep 9 20:49:02 whitwell kernel: bge0: link state changed to DOWN Sep 9 20:49:04 whitwell kernel: bge0: PHY read timed out What does this message mean? PHY read timed out? I did a google on it but the issues were various other things. Could this be a bad cable? Thanks Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 05:55:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E82A16A407 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 05:55:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48DDF43D45 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 05:55:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.171.127.191] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1GMII2-000ONu-SM for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 23:55:35 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <1B346830-A705-4E92-8532-0256A64838BB@shire.net> References: <1B346830-A705-4E92-8532-0256A64838BB@shire.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7512DAB5-695E-4D9B-90AD-BBAA34D9BAFF@shire.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 23:55:34 -0600 To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.171.127.191 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on hobbiton.shire.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Subject: Re: bge0: PHY read timed out X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 05:55:35 -0000 On Sep 9, 2006, at 11:52 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: > > I have a machine that is acting up. It was doing this a couple > weeks ago and I replaced the motherboard thinking that maybe the > physical ethernet port was going bad (connector or chip). The new > motherboard is starting to act up the same way after a week or two > of running fine and I am wondering if something else might be the > issue. I forgot to mention that the MB at issue is the Tyan S2850 single opteron MB. This particular server had its MB replaced a week or two ago for the same sort of issue on bge1 that got progressively worse and I eventually turned it off in the BIOS. Then a while later it started seeming to freeze up with this same issue as listed below and I replaced the MB, which is starting to show the same issue. I have a few other servers with the same MB and they have never had any issues. Chad > > After the uname I list the stuff from the syslog before it goes off > the net and my auto rebooter power strip thinks it has crashed and > forces a reboot (which I have now turned off so I can go in and > look more next time it happens). This did not happen for the last > week or two and all of a sudden happened about 5 times today... > > # uname -a > FreeBSD whitwell.shire.net 6.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE #1: Fri > May 19 01:50:39 MDT 2006 chad@mlg3.shire.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/ > sys/WHITWELL i386 > # > > > Sep 9 20:49:02 whitwell kernel: bge0: PHY read timed out > Sep 9 20:49:02 whitwell last message repeated 3 times > Sep 9 20:49:02 whitwell kernel: bge0: link state changed to DOWN > Sep 9 20:49:04 whitwell kernel: bge0: PHY read timed out > > What does this message mean? PHY read timed out? I did a google > on it but the issues were various other things. > > Could this be a bad cable? > > Thanks > Chad > > > --- > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC > Your Web App and Email hosting provider > chad at shire.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 07:11:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F97716A403 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 07:11:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@havoc.unixathome.org) Received: from havoc.unixathome.org (havoc.unixathome.org [66.154.98.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC07D43D45 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 07:11:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@havoc.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by havoc.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A22E256476 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:11:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from havoc.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (havoc.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J6SMB8Uiirck for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by havoc.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D00A456470; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:10:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20060910071003.D00A456470@havoc.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2006-08-20 - 2006-09-09 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 07:11:23 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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These are the articles posted during this period: 4-Sep : Monitor your 3Ware battery backup unit (BBU) Why not monitor your battery? http://freebsddiary.org/3ware-netsaint-plugin-addenda.php?2 28-Aug : 3Ware - Manage your RAID arrays via http Nothing like a little graphical interaction to get the bytes flowing http://freebsddiary.org/dual-opteron-3ware-web.php?2 -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 07:22:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2818216A403 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 07:22:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fysical@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD34843D45 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 07:22:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fysical@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so1489045pye for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:22:41 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=P/qTJ0eGCWzrluSu2bsZivAqvjxN5iZ3Rzxx52q75J8Rhyjo8iMMqjNJ/G+FoSaPChGZNfMOkbuSTRJNufrs1VfaRR09yGqnyavI0rifdSgc8H4HsmG+l7j6HFchPFcPmFQU0jFWS9Sg0GoUpu+r5z5rEYcvBP5964k8QQl5AX4= Received: by 10.64.28.18 with SMTP id b18mr4252463qbb; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.124.13 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:22:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73d604760609100022o5ea4831cwa7ecd29e7461fe99@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:52:40 +0530 From: "Viswas Nair" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lstdc++_p X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 07:22:42 -0000 I get the message "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lstdc++_p" while building the xfe X11 file manager. A google did not give any ideas. Need help. Thanks, Vishy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 08:22:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3917016A407 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:22:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fysical@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 404AB43D5A for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:22:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fysical@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so1505038pye for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:22:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=G1Ms3lD7tnGxvpmvmbpAJpfdMkSo4HKMVxBxuWvhiDeKo8KethPXdlmSGihgzDmH8Zrqu8Kk1BXxy2pudmve7e1VgQeKWF1agjqaCXas+sO+eXBkAdYutW8eZUVrKUy0zzwxdUDDKZFj3eCQsAcsocBauGqSom8qQQvcLU3jum8= Received: by 10.65.84.4 with SMTP id m4mr3949391qbl; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:22:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.124.13 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:22:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73d604760609100122w387d4ebet6e68a07391ae4eff@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:52:12 +0530 From: "Viswas Nair" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Integrating kernel modules into the kernel while building the kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:22:14 -0000 I have a bunch of kernel modules I load from loader.conf. Eg: snd_emu10k1, acpi, ndis and many others. I am thinking of custom building the kernel. Could anyone guide me into integrating these kernel modules into the kernel, so that i dont have to load these options into loader.conf? Using 6.1 on i386. Thanks, Vishy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 10:11:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCDA016A407 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:11:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Johan.Johansen@cc.uit.no) Received: from mux1.uit.no (mux1.uit.no [129.242.4.252]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FA1543D46 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:11:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Johan.Johansen@cc.uit.no) Received: from flode.cc.uit.no (flode.cc.uit.no [129.242.6.250]) by mux1.uit.no (8.13.8/8.13.6/Mux) with ESMTP id k8AABjhB023808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:11:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tausa.cc.uit.no (tausa.cc.uit.no [129.242.6.78]) by flode.cc.uit.no (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k8AABkR6058966; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:11:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from johan@cc.uit.no) Received: from tausa.cc.uit.no (localhost.cc.uit.no [127.0.0.1]) by tausa.cc.uit.no (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8AABiCA010204; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:11:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from johan@tausa.cc.uit.no) Message-Id: <200609101011.k8AABiCA010204@tausa.cc.uit.no> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.2 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:11:44 +0200 From: Johan Johansen X-Virus-Scanned: : ok X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 129.242.4.252 Cc: johan.johansen@cc.uit.no Subject: atapicam trouble X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:11:48 -0000 I run 6.1-STABLE-200607 on my brand new box with Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2 x 2,40 GHz cpu (beautiful piece of machinery) I can use my dvd-devices with atapicd, but atapicam do not work. kldload atapicam causes an interrupt storm, I guess. I tried to take out atapicd from the kernel after reading http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/73675 In fact, I removed ataraid atapifd atapist too, without any luck. Here is output from top -S a few seconds after kldload atapicam last pid: 600; load averages: 0.24, 0.24, 0.11 up 0+00:02:36 11:27:53 88 processes: 5 running, 64 sleeping, 19 waiting CPU states: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 43.8% interrupt, 56.2% idle Mem: 22M Active, 9604K Inact, 28M Wired, 15M Buf, 1943M Free Swap: 4070M Total, 4070M Free PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 11 root 1 171 52 0K 8K RUN 1 2:03 99.26% idle: cpu1 12 root 1 171 52 0K 8K RUN 0 1:54 62.26% idle: cpu0 22 root 1 -64 -183 0K 8K CPU0 0 0:09 36.41% irq16: uhci0+ 31 root 1 -68 -187 0K 8K WAIT 1 0:01 0.00% irq19: re0 uhci3++ Could anyone point me in a direction too solve this, please? mvh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 09:25:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DDC716A416 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 09:25:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mohab@technat.org) Received: from server.scribbytech.net (server.scribbytech.net [208.110.69.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9300C43D5D for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 09:25:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mohab@technat.org) Received: from technat by server.scribbytech.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1GMLZw-0001QV-V1 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:56:17 +0930 Received: from 196.202.92.107 ([196.202.92.107]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user mohab@technat.org) by www.technat.org with HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:56:16 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <2225.196.202.92.107.1157880376.squirrel@www.technat.org> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:56:16 +0930 (CST) From: mohab@technat.org To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.scribbytech.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32046 32002] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - technat.org X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:23:04 +0000 Subject: Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 09:25:54 -0000 Hello sir I am new to freeBSD and i am using "FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE" for my personal server. i am asking specificly about two questions: What is equal to "WGET"? And why GUNZIP isn't working and how do i unzip ZIPs and RARs? regards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 11:23:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D860416A501 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:23:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonc@chen.org.nz) Received: from chen.org.nz (chen.org.nz [202.89.146.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C16CB43D67 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:23:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jonc@chen.org.nz) Received: by chen.org.nz (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BF76656436; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:23:37 +1200 (NZST) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:23:37 +1200 From: Jonathan Chen To: "Irc Maniac ." Message-ID: <20060910112337.GA78005@osiris.chen.org.nz> References: <4a714a760609090047k3e83159fr9ea63f2220edb2eb@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4a714a760609090047k3e83159fr9ea63f2220edb2eb@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can I Get An Email Account? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:23:43 -0000 On Sat, Sep 09, 2006 at 02:47:05AM -0500, Irc Maniac . wrote: > Can you hook me up with @freebsd.org? Sure. All you need to do is to contribute to the FreeBSD project with either heaps of code or documentation. -- Jonathan Chen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "If you wish your merit to be known, acknowledge that of other people" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 11:31:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F97F16A415 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:31:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonc@chen.org.nz) Received: from chen.org.nz (chen.org.nz [202.89.146.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFAA543D6E for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:31:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jonc@chen.org.nz) Received: by chen.org.nz (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DDEDA56436; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:31:18 +1200 (NZST) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:31:18 +1200 From: Jonathan Chen To: mohab@technat.org Message-ID: <20060910113118.GB78005@osiris.chen.org.nz> References: <2225.196.202.92.107.1157880376.squirrel@www.technat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2225.196.202.92.107.1157880376.squirrel@www.technat.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:31:20 -0000 On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 06:56:16PM +0930, mohab@technat.org wrote: > Hello sir > I am new to freeBSD and i am using "FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE" for my personal > server. You should move to 6.1-RELEASE instead. > i am asking specificly about two questions: > What is equal to "WGET"? fetch(1) > And why GUNZIP isn't working and how do i unzip ZIPs and RARs? gunzip(1) works fine here, what problems are you having? To unzip ZIPs, you need to install archivers/unzip. To unzip RARs, you need to install archivers/unrar. Cheers. -- Jonathan Chen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- When you don't know what you are doing, do it neatly. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 11:35:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B36516A403 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:35:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jaj13@web.de) Received: from fmmailgate03.web.de (fmmailgate03.web.de [217.72.192.234]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0414B43D6E for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:35:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jaj13@web.de) Received: from smtp07.web.de (fmsmtp07.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.215]) by fmmailgate03.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C3781DBA225; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:33:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [83.99.30.97] (helo=[10.0.0.11]) by smtp07.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.107 #114) id 1GMNZ4-0006Ya-00; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:33:30 +0200 Message-ID: <4503F809.40005@web.de> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:33:29 +0200 From: Jona Joachim User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060730) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mohab@technat.org References: <2225.196.202.92.107.1157880376.squirrel@www.technat.org> In-Reply-To: <2225.196.202.92.107.1157880376.squirrel@www.technat.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: jaj13@web.de X-Sender: jaj13@web.de Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:35:04 -0000 mohab@technat.org wrote: > Hello sir > I am new to freeBSD and i am using "FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE" for my personal > server. > i am asking specificly about two questions: > What is equal to "WGET"? fetch(1) comes with the base system. You can install wget, curl and other tools from the ports. > And why GUNZIP isn't working and how do i unzip ZIPs and RARs? Using the archivers/unzip and archivers/unrar ports respectively. If you install archivers/file-roller you have a graphical tool that lets you handle archives in a very intuitive way. --jona From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 11:37:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4A2916A403 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:37:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: from sigma.octantis.com.au (ns2.octantis.com.au [207.44.189.124]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D3EE43D6E for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:37:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: (qmail 14079 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2006 21:37:21 +1000 Received: from 203-214-156-133.perm.iinet.net.au (HELO localhost) (203.214.156.133) by sigma.octantis.com.au with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 10 Sep 2006 21:37:21 +1000 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:37:14 +1000 From: Norberto Meijome To: mohab@technat.org Message-ID: <20060910213714.2b341570@localhost> In-Reply-To: <2225.196.202.92.107.1157880376.squirrel@www.technat.org> References: <2225.196.202.92.107.1157880376.squirrel@www.technat.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.4.0 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:37:22 -0000 On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:56:16 +0930 (CST) mohab@technat.org wrote: > What is equal to "WGET"? Welcome :) man fetch or simypl install wget from ports , ftp/wget ... in other words, cd /usr/ports/ftp/wget make install or use portinstall portinstall ftp/wget or pkg_add pkg_add -r wget > And why GUNZIP isn't working and how do i unzip ZIPs and RARs? if you tell us what gunzip is or isn't doing we may be able to help you more. for zips, use the port archivers/unzip and for rar.... well.... you guessed yet, archivers/rar Good luck, B _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome "A Man that is good at excuses is usually good at nothing else" Benjamin Franklin I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 11:39:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0D5116A403 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:39:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: from sigma.octantis.com.au (ns2.octantis.com.au [207.44.189.124]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA4843D69 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:39:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: (qmail 14227 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2006 21:39:53 +1000 Received: from 203-214-156-133.perm.iinet.net.au (HELO localhost) (203.214.156.133) by sigma.octantis.com.au with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 10 Sep 2006 21:39:53 +1000 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:39:47 +1000 From: Norberto Meijome To: "Marc G. Fournier" Message-ID: <20060910213947.6a326016@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20060909183200.H10669@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20060909183200.H10669@ganymede.hub.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.4.0 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RSSreader: Recommendations Sought X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:39:55 -0000 On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 18:32:41 -0300 (ADT) "Marc G. Fournier" wrote: > > Anyone suggest a good one that runs under FreeBSD? > I do my feeds as part of my email. I use Sylpheed-Claws and the sylpheed-claws-rssyl plugin B _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 12:56:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE90816A403 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:56:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stanb@panix.com) Received: from mail3.panix.com (mail3.panix.com [166.84.1.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A7B43D5E for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:56:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stanb@panix.com) Received: from mailspool2.panix.com (mailspool2.panix.com [166.84.1.79]) by mail3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6234813A86A for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from teddy.fas.com (c-68-58-232-106.hsd1.sc.comcast.net [68.58.232.106]) by mailspool2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D28B54A22 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1GMOrQ-0007nt-00 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:56:32 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:56:31 -0400 From: stan To: Free BSD Questions list Message-ID: <20060910125631.GA29818@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Free BSD Questions list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.23 X-Uptime: 08:52:36 up 146 days, 9:55, 1 user, load average: 0.14, 0.07, 0.02 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: Stan Brown Subject: Top behavior differences X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:56:34 -0000 Can someone explain to me why top's handling of multi processor status display is different on FreeBSD, than it is on Linux? On Linux you can enter a "1" and the status header provides a display for each processor. I think this is a lot more informative that the FreeBSD way of doing this. Or am I missing how to obtain the same information in FreeBSD? Perhaps some other tool? Or a different command to top? -- Unix is very simple, but it takes a genius to understand the simplicity. (Dennis Ritchie) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 13:18:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C6616A412 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:18:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from larse@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (216-110-13-10.static.twtelecom.net [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3D6043D46 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:18:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from larse@larseighner.com) Received: by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix, from userid 12346) id 6C84D16B51D; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:18:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.79]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E788616B4ED; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:18:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1003 larse@larseighner.com; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:18:30 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:18:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: larse@goodwill.6dollardialup.com To: mohab@technat.org In-Reply-To: <2225.196.202.92.107.1157880376.squirrel@www.technat.org> Message-ID: <20060910081329.E58450@tbbqjvyy.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> References: <2225.196.202.92.107.1157880376.squirrel@www.technat.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Sanitizer: Anomy and SpamAssassin mail filter - see http://www.6dollardialup.com/support/spaminfo.html X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.1 required=6.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,OACYS_SINGLE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03 version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:18:26 -0000 On Sun, 10 Sep 2006, mohab@technat.org wrote: > Hello sir > I am new to freeBSD and i am using "FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE" for my personal > server. > i am asking specificly about two questions: > What is equal to "WGET"? If you must have wget, you can install it from the ftp ports. Otherwise, consult "man fetch" for the native utilities. > And why GUNZIP isn't working and how do i unzip ZIPs and RARs? gzip/gunzip works fine, but for zip files and rar files you need the appropriate utilities from ports/archivers. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 13:29:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6C1F16A40F for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:29:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A6A743D46 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:29:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so1593081pye for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 06:29:36 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=ajfE5X/8VWeE0/FiTW/iVoA5xfMKPMdXGc4cNDfxF2r8lemlWEswDamjpvS8vAjbT99cvLb6mkn86mFXdpPhYVefSM+v7/R0akWA87HaQH22opSKJaH5A/QGti7IdJiRb2iYSLRt9Kc8fQbOay/X7/GnjsaFqSPQvE1hQyN0DnM= Received: by 10.35.69.11 with SMTP id w11mr6812641pyk; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 06:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.105.10 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 06:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 17:29:35 +0400 From: "Andrew Pantyukhin" Sender: infofarmer@gmail.com To: "Marc G. Fournier" In-Reply-To: <20060909183200.H10669@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060909183200.H10669@ganymede.hub.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 21729ccc856d7349 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RSSreader: Recommendations Sought X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:29:38 -0000 On 9/10/06, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > Anyone suggest a good one that runs under FreeBSD? Google Reader is evil, but works. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 15:01:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9D816A403; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:01:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from msoulier@digitaltorque.ca) Received: from mail.storm.ca (mail.storm.ca [209.87.239.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D3F443D60; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:01:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from msoulier@digitaltorque.ca) Received: from tigger.digitaltorque.ca (hs-216-106-102-70.storm.ca [216.106.102.70]) by mail.storm.ca (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8AF1js5011220; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tigger.digitaltorque.ca (Postfix, from userid 500) id 17BB211EE2F; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:01:40 -0400 From: "Michael P. Soulier" To: Andrew Pantyukhin Message-ID: <20060910150139.GY11663@tigger.digitaltorque.ca> Mail-Followup-To: Andrew Pantyukhin , "Marc G. Fournier" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20060909183200.H10669@ganymede.hub.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ScUgq5oMe+fJq4F1" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "Marc G. Fournier" Subject: Re: RSSreader: Recommendations Sought X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:01:48 -0000 --ScUgq5oMe+fJq4F1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 10/09/06 Andrew Pantyukhin said: > Google Reader is evil, but works. Google Reader blows. Bloglines is much better. That said, I'd rather use Liferea on *nix. Mike --=20 Michael P. Soulier "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction." --Albert Einstein --ScUgq5oMe+fJq4F1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFBCjTKGqCc1vIvggRAp6qAKCdkHhr2V8mGa/x6smXLIklTwUm/gCgtzZI 9cKf8zCQZIm7Op2Ie19YcC4= =Iwyo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ScUgq5oMe+fJq4F1-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 15:09:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6E016A415 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:09:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jan.grant@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from diri.bris.ac.uk (diri.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.112]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 342DC43D6A for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:09:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jan.grant@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.16.62]) by diri.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GMQwG-0000n8-PV; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:09:47 +0100 Received: from cse-jg.cse.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.12.37]:60225) by mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.50) id 1GMQwA-0000rF-LK; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:09:38 +0100 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:09:34 +0100 (BST) From: Jan Grant X-X-Sender: cmjg@tribble.ilrt.bris.ac.uk To: James Long In-Reply-To: <20060903173729.GA30869@ns.museum.rain.com> Message-ID: <20060910160830.L30289@tribble.ilrt.bris.ac.uk> References: <20060903173729.GA30869@ns.museum.rain.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spamassassin: mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Level: / X-Spam-Score: -1.2 X-Spam-Level: - Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: man page bug in mv(1) ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:09:52 -0000 On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, James Long wrote: > The man page mv(1) states: > > "It is an error for either the source operand or the destination path > to specify a directory unless both do." > > > However: > > mv file /tmp/ > > works. Am I reading things wrong, or is the man page incorrect? The man page is correct, but a little misleading unless you read it carefully. The first two paragraphs of the description section define the term "destination path". -- jan grant, ISYS, University of Bristol. http://www.bris.ac.uk/ Tel +44 (0)117 3317661 http://ioctl.org/jan/ Solution: (n) a watered-down version of something neat. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 15:13:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2358416A407 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:13:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from zeus.dfwlp.com (zeus.dfwlp.com [208.11.134.127]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EFBC43D46 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:13:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from athena.dfwlp.com (athena.dfwlp.com [192.168.125.83]) (authenticated bits=0) by zeus.dfwlp.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8AFDYsl032555 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:13:34 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) From: Jonathan Horne To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:13:34 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609101013.34332.freebsd@dfwlp.com> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on zeus.dfwlp.com Subject: cdrecord not working the way expected X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:13:37 -0000 anyone here sucessfully using cdrecord in freebsd? -scanbus option gives m= e=20 this error: [root@athena ~]# cdrecord -scanbus Cdrecord-Clone 2.01 (i386-unknown-freebsd6.1) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 J=F6r= g=20 Schilling cdrecord: Error 0. Cannot open SCSI driver. cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. cdrecord: For possible transport specifiers try 'cdrecord dev=3Dhelp'. i have a feeling that the reason my DVD-CDRW isnt working in xine is probab= ly=20 rooted in the same cause. can anyone point me in the right direction here? [root@athena ~]# dmesg |grep acd0 acd0: CDRW at ata0-master UDMA40 acd0: CDRW at ata0-master UDMA40 [root@athena ~]# uname -a =46reeBSD athena.dfwlp.com 6.1-STABLE FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE #0: Wed Aug 30 13:= 08:08=20 CDT 2006 root@athena.dfwlp.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ATHENA i386 anything at all that can get me going on this would be much appricated! cheers, jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 15:16:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F0DA16A403 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:16:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from buhnux@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9CA43D77 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:16:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from buhnux@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so1623752pye for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:16:37 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=O2XxVWQM4VLFN3M6OiRAe2woJG2RhzEAyVtNryUe3/mXVDY18ghj4BxdcMHfclys1i6/AD28XyXgJgeV9Oh0w5HVpEja6cR7ihq8Vz5/IsB0bwMZJsE862dkAJJ5cZZnGCV9+R7oWjFPP/3pDhxtO/jgcFnQSXVuuec9fTnktoI= Received: by 10.35.97.17 with SMTP id z17mr6952152pyl; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:16:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.90.6 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:16:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:16:37 -0400 From: "michael johnson" Sender: buhnux@gmail.com To: "Jonathan Horne" In-Reply-To: <200609101013.34332.freebsd@dfwlp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200609101013.34332.freebsd@dfwlp.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 901b3680e5260bd9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cdrecord not working the way expected X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:16:49 -0000 On 9/10/06, Jonathan Horne wrote: > > anyone here sucessfully using cdrecord in freebsd? -scanbus option gives > me > this error: > > [root@athena ~]# cdrecord -scanbus > Cdrecord-Clone 2.01 (i386-unknown-freebsd6.1) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 J= =F6rg > Schilling > cdrecord: Error 0. Cannot open SCSI driver. > cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. > cdrecord: For possible transport specifiers try 'cdrecord dev=3Dhelp'. > > i have a feeling that the reason my DVD-CDRW isnt working in xine is > probably > rooted in the same cause. can anyone point me in the right direction > here? > > [root@athena ~]# dmesg |grep acd0 > acd0: CDRW at ata0-master UDMA40 > acd0: CDRW at ata0-master UDMA40 > [root@athena ~]# uname -a > FreeBSD athena.dfwlp.com 6.1-STABLE FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE #0: Wed Aug 30 > 13:08:08 > CDT 2006 root@athena.dfwlp.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ATHENA i386 > > anything at all that can get me going on this would be much appricated! Even though this isn't a gnome problem... check out http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/faq2.html#q15 cheers, > jonathan > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 15:24:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C617916A40F for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:24:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from burk@sumail.ru) Received: from mxoa.su29.ru (mxoa.su29.ru [81.200.9.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EB9643D64 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:24:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from burk@sumail.ru) Received: from [10.10.9.49] (helo=[192.168.1.11]) by mail.su29.ru with esmtp (Exim 4.62 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GMRAd-000NKs-Rh for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:24:31 +0400 Message-ID: <45042E30.7030701@sumail.ru> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:24:32 +0400 From: gb User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free BSD Questions list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Thinkpad X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:24:34 -0000 Hi all, Got hold of an old IBM X21 Thinkpad. Anyone out there have any recommendations for a good kernel config or whatever to squeeze the most of this little fellow? Thanks George From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 15:57:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 498A416A412 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:57:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rjhjr@cox.net) Received: from eastrmmtao05.cox.net (eastrmmtao05.cox.net [68.230.240.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A181843D45 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:57:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rjhjr@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060910155706.TOPN7951.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:57:06 -0400 Received: from localhost ([68.230.186.138]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id Lfwt1V00C2zbV0s0000000 Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:56:54 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:57:05 -0400 From: Bob Hall To: Free BSD Questions list Message-ID: <20060910155704.GA49622@kongemord.krig.net> Mail-Followup-To: Bob Hall , Free BSD Questions list References: <20060910125631.GA29818@teddy.fas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060910125631.GA29818@teddy.fas.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: Top behavior differences X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:57:07 -0000 On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 08:56:31AM -0400, stan wrote: > Can someone explain to me why top's handling of multi processor > status display is different on FreeBSD, than it is on Linux? Open source started with the concept of individuals hacking the source code to get the features they want. The commericial ideal of users paying for features they want was replaced by the ideal of users doing the work to create the features they want. Open source has evolved into the concept of many users getting a free ride as a relatively small number of open source programmers do the work for them, without pay. Possible reasons why open source software X doesn't have feature Y: 1) The people who created X weren't interested in feature Y. Since they were doing unpaid work, they created the features they were interested in. 2) The core code of X was written before the technological advance that made feature Y useful, and no one has needed feature Y badly enough to add it to X. 3) The creators of X didn't think of feature Y, and no one has gotten in touch with the maintainers to suggest it. 4) Only one or two people want feature Y, and the amount of work necessary to add it to X greatly exceeds the benefit of providing a feature for one or two people. Also, no one has contacted the maintainers of X to ask how much it would cost to change their minds about this. 5) No one wants feature Y badly enough to devote the necessary free time to learn the skills and do the work necessary to create it. Since it's not high on anyone's list of things to do in their spare time, everyone has chosen to wait until it moves to the top of someone else's list of things to do in their spare time. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 15:57:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9BAD16A415 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:57:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan.bikle@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.238]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C219543D49 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:57:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan.bikle@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so1306173wxd for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:57:30 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=mQOcBRWhifymPkNQtuoBPeTNhNzu2b/niNDFITHYCjJLSk71u+/rd5pxfRNIEjy5kegDFPeyeKAb/KtJ9wfb1IWIRLD+tK0n1SJCmRTTUC6iuSeMy0qwZrvDrVISDsugpcckOmh0Uk3tpnWKDPnvkBlNZND3p5O91nnNRXZmk0o= Received: by 10.90.100.2 with SMTP id x2mr1334079agb; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:57:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.86.4 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:57:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74252ed10609100857l312bf1cfqf324d000704e2b62@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:57:29 -0700 From: "Dan Bikle" To: "ruby-talk ML" , rubyonrails-talk@googlegroups.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <74252ed10609091048q40bdb8ble20c7e65130fef7b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <89e058bd07bdb796dde816832ab7f08c@example.com> <74252ed10609091048q40bdb8ble20c7e65130fef7b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: [Rails] SaltedHashLoginGenerator no such file to load -- iconv X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:57:31 -0000 ok, I found the magic sauce. It's actually on my beastie box It's here: /usr/ports/converters/ruby-iconv If you are new to FreeBSD [ like me ], /usr/ports/ is loaded up with a bunch of software which you can install. Usually software I find there installs cleanly with a simple make make install So, I installed ruby-iconv and now require 'iconv' returns true rather than an exception. -Dan On 9/9/06, Dan Bikle wrote: > > Yep, > > I too have just bumped into this issue. > > I see it on a freebsd box: > > bash jake oracle /usr/local 12 $ uname -a > FreeBSD jake.host.com 5.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE #0: Tue Nov 1 > 05:56:17 CST 2005 northtron@jake.host.com > :/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/JAKE > i386 > bash jake oracle /usr/local 13 $ > > I compared my bsd box to my Mac: > > > bash jake oracle ~/o 24 $ find . -print|grep iconv > ./lib/ruby/1.8/xsd/iconvcharset.rb > bash jake oracle ~/o 25 $ which ruby > /home/oracle/o/bin/ruby > bash jake oracle ~/o 26 $ ruby -v > ruby 1.8.4 (2005-12-24) [i386-freebsd5.3] > bash jake oracle ~/o 27 $ > bash jake oracle ~/o 27 $ > > bash jake oracle ~/o 27 $ irb > irb(main):001:0> require 'iconv' > LoadError: no such file to load -- iconv > from (irb):1:in `require' > from (irb):1 > irb(main):002:0> > irb(main):003:0* quit > bash jake oracle ~/o 28 $ > > > bash maco-mois-powerbook-g4-17 maco /r 1 $ find . -print|grep iconv > ./lib/ruby/1.8/doc/files/xsd/iconvcharset_rb.html > ./lib/ruby/1.8/powerpc-darwin8.7.0/iconv.bundle > ./lib/ruby/1.8/xsd/iconvcharset.rb > ./share/ri/1.8/system/Iconv/iconv-c.yaml > ./share/ri/1.8/system/Iconv/iconv-i.yaml > bash maco-mois-powerbook-g4-17 maco /r 2 $ which ruby > /r/bin/ruby > bash maco-mois-powerbook-g4-17 maco /r 3 $ ruby -v > ruby 1.8.4 (2005-12-24) [powerpc-darwin8.7.0] > bash maco-mois-powerbook-g4-17 maco /r 4 $ > bash maco-mois-powerbook-g4-17 maco /r 4 $ > bash maco-mois-powerbook-g4-17 maco /r 4 $ irb > irb(main):001:0> require 'iconv' > require 'iconv' > => true > irb(main):002:0> quit > bash maco-mois-powerbook-g4-17 maco /r 5 $ > > It looks like my Mac has some kind of iconv special sauce on it. > I assume it was put there when I installed ruby. > > I'd like to find the said sauce for my freebsd beastie. > > -Dan > > > On 8/16/06, Elliott Blatt wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm trying to use the SaltedHashLoginGenerator as documented on > > http://wiki.rubyonrails.com/rails/pages/SaltedHashLoginGenerator > > > > Ruby version: ruby 1.8.4 (2005-12-24) [i386-openbsd3.9] > > > > I've the following commands: > > > > gem install salted_login_generator > > gem install localization_generator > > rails myapp > > cd myapp > > ruby script/generate salted_login User Localization > > > > All ran successfully. > > I then created the databases and schema, without incident. > > In theory, I should be able to hit my server: > > > > http://my.host.com:3000/user ..... > > > > Doing so, throws an error page in my face: > > +----------------------------------- > > + MissingSourceFile > > + > > + no such file to load -- iconv > > +------------------------------------ > > > > There are many posts out there conerning this missing dependency for > > windows, but none for *NIX. > > > > What is iconv and where is it missing from? ruby? rails? > > > > In either case, where do I get said file? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 16:55:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD47C16A5FA for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:55:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 725AF43D49 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:55:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) id k8AGtfAV080010; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:55:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:55:41 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: Viswas Nair Message-ID: <20060910165539.GE30620@dan.emsphone.com> References: <73d604760609100122w387d4ebet6e68a07391ae4eff@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <73d604760609100122w387d4ebet6e68a07391ae4eff@mail.gmail.com> X-OS: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Integrating kernel modules into the kernel while building the kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:55:43 -0000 In the last episode (Sep 10), Viswas Nair said: > I have a bunch of kernel modules I load from loader.conf. Eg: snd_emu10k1, > acpi, ndis and many others. > I am thinking of custom building the kernel. Could anyone guide me into > integrating these kernel modules into the kernel, so that i dont have to > load these options into loader.conf? Just add them as devices to your config file. Take a look at /sys/config/NOTES and /sys/i386/config/NOTES for the full list and any dependencies. device sound device snd_emu10k1 device acpi device ndis -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 17:35:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEA1816A403 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 17:35:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bill@wiliweld.com) Received: from typhoon.he.net (typhoon.he.net [64.62.229.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A2C1A43D49 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 17:35:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bill@wiliweld.com) Received: from liam ([71.141.72.46]) by typhoon.he.net for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:35:43 -0700 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:35:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill-Schoolcraft X-X-Sender: bill@liam To: Johan Johansen In-Reply-To: <200609101011.k8AABiCA010204@tausa.cc.uit.no> Message-ID: References: <200609101011.k8AABiCA010204@tausa.cc.uit.no> System-ID: [en] (SuSE-9.3 64-bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: atapicam trouble (me too) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 17:35:50 -0000 At Sun, 10 Sep 2006 it looks like Johan Johansen composed: > > I run 6.1-STABLE-200607 on my brand new box with > Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2 x 2,40 GHz cpu (beautiful piece of machinery) > > I can use my dvd-devices with atapicd, but atapicam do not work. > > kldload atapicam causes an interrupt storm, I guess. > I tried to take out atapicd from the kernel after reading > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/73675 > In fact, I removed ataraid atapifd atapist too, without any luck. > > Here is output from top -S a few seconds after kldload atapicam > > last pid: 600; load averages: 0.24, 0.24, 0.11 up > 0+00:02:36 11:27:53 > 88 processes: 5 running, 64 sleeping, 19 waiting > CPU states: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 43.8% interrupt, 56.2% idle > Mem: 22M Active, 9604K Inact, 28M Wired, 15M Buf, 1943M Free > Swap: 4070M Total, 4070M Free > > PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND > 11 root 1 171 52 0K 8K RUN 1 2:03 99.26% idle: cpu1 > 12 root 1 171 52 0K 8K RUN 0 1:54 62.26% idle: cpu0 > 22 root 1 -64 -183 0K 8K CPU0 0 0:09 36.41% irq16: uhci0+ > 31 root 1 -68 -187 0K 8K WAIT 1 0:01 0.00% irq19: re0 > uhci3++ > > Could anyone point me in a direction too solve this, please? I was just messing with this with a very good PLEXTOR DVD-RW drive, tried to rebuild the kernel with only "device atapicam" and there was some issues, for some strange reason, the system wedged, then tried to read the drive's contents at boot time, and then I lost my X resolution upon booting back into KDE, I was there with only what amounted to 800x600 (actually something weirder than that) and could NOT restore my X session, tried to reconfigure X -- nada. The machine is triple booted with three different drives, X worked fine on the other variants -- I thought the integrated video_chip went bad, that was not the case, just 6.1 was bad, that was a bittersweet relief. When I did try to start X in the beginning the whole system wedged, could not understand why just adding the "device atapicam" line to a new kernel would do this, something got corrupted. I was getting "perfect" config files with "Xorg -configure" and no matter what, nothing now. Isn't 6.2 coming out soon? > > mvh > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Bill Schoolcraft <<<<*>>>> http://wiliweld.com <*> " If you turn your headlights on while going the speed of light, does anything happen? " From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 18:00:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BEFE16A494 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:00:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ryanfirst@sympatico.ca) Received: from BAYC1-PASMTP04.bayc1.hotmail.com (bayc1-pasmtp04.bayc1.hotmail.com [65.54.191.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF51043D66 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:00:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ryanfirst@sympatico.ca) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [64.229.16.14] X-Originating-Email: [ryanfirst@sympatico.ca] Received: from moreprivate ([64.229.16.14]) by BAYC1-PASMTP04.bayc1.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:00:25 -0700 Message-ID: <002701c6d503$cec0d540$6401a8c0@moreprivate> From: "RJ" To: References: <20a8c0f30609051744r71f9f47ak831a418cb063f836@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 14:06:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Sep 2006 18:00:25.0486 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE026AE0:01C6D502] Subject: Re: easy patch management tools X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:00:34 -0000 Suggestions from another rookie(me): I use the ports tree and portsnap, http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/portsnap.html, and when it's time to update the following "one liner" works great for me: cd /boot/ ; cp -Rp kernel kernel.good ; cd /usr/src ; cvsup -gL2 /usr/share/examples/cvsup/standard-supfile ; make -j4 buildworld ; make buildkernel ; make installkernel ; make installworld; mergermaster ; reboot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Bliss" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 8:44 PM Subject: easy patch management tools > Hi everyone, first let me say that I'm pretty new to bsd, so please forgive > the newbie questions; I've been using linux (redhat, suse, centos) for many > years, and so learning bsd was a bit of a learning curve, but not bad (I > almost never use gui's for administration); I was wondering if there are any > packagement tools for freebsd/pcbsd that offer simular functionality to > up2date or yum; I take care of installing and updating complete rpm based > systems using yum, and have not found a tool simular to yum for freebds (I'm > also trying to stay away from pbi's, since they are specific to pcbsd); I've > used the pkg_add, pkg_delete, portupgrade tools, but am just looking for an > easy way to ensure my entire bsd box is updated; Also, as I understand it, > bsd makes use of ports, by using tools such as cvsup, however I have never > had much success compiling my own software, as such much prefer to use > binary packages, which I understand that the freebsd authors provide; for > example, if I wanted to install pine, I would much rather install it by > running pkg_add -r pine ; I'm just looking for a simple way to update > currently installed binaries, simular to installing new binaries with > pkg_add ; thanks very much for your help with this. > > Aaron > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 18:16:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE3B616A40F for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:16:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: from web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.159]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 29D1043EB9 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:11:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 57825 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Sep 2006 18:11:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NneMWfNvjq3UcwtAguoOdtWla9DbctnY3UyU5vMYfASL0yGGfK8FTeXMPkGO5QCWAXOP3epR+0Kwm+gpmjBu6cDOo9ArKYf5L9gD5nV4cN6XUBk45CbJRrZi2IvSpI8vw/GwF0fo7WKyaEXs29wyzvTZPqtaqZsKXiM3pQKB3iY= ; Message-ID: <20060910181136.57823.qmail@web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.189.184.224] by web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:11:36 PDT Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:11:36 -0700 (PDT) From: White Hat To: FreeBSD Users Questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Making startup order static X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:16:21 -0000 FreeBSD 6.1 I need to keep several programs starting in a particular order. clamav-clamd clamav-freshclam clamsmtpd saslauthd dovecot postfix fetchmail By default, they do not start in that order. I have modified the rc.d files to force them to start in the order specified above. The problem is that every time I update these programs the rc.d startup file is modified which destroys the changes I have made. This then requires me to recreate the modifications to force the start up order I require. Is there anyway I can achieve this goal in a simplified manner? I thought perhaps there might be something I could add to the /etc/rc.conf file; however, I have not discovered it. -- White Hat pigskin_referee@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 18:26:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29BFF16A403 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:26:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@tania.servebbs.org) Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.1.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D6543D46 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:26:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob@tania.servebbs.org) Received: from mailspool3.panix.com (mailspool3.panix.com [166.84.1.78]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7CB69D850 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 14:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tania.servebbs.org (pool-71-247-27-125.nycmny.east.verizon.net [71.247.27.125]) by mailspool3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06DB3D908E0 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 14:26:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob Organization: TamaraB To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 14:26:51 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609101426.52892.bob@tania.servebbs.org> Subject: SnapShot Magic X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:26:51 -0000 Hi: Last week I installed all the bits and pieces to do automatic snapshots, and allow regular users to retreive lost/corrupted data from hours, days, and weeks ago. It was all quite simple, and logical. Now that it has been running for several days I have a few questions. How can this be?: $ snapshot list /usr Filesystem User User% Snap Snap% Snapshot /usr 11399MB 37.1% 116MB 0.4% daily.0 /usr 11399MB 37.1% 136MB 0.4% daily.1 /usr 11399MB 37.1% 25MB 0.1% hourly.0 /usr 11399MB 37.1% 28MB 0.1% hourly.1 /usr 11399MB 37.1% 117MB 0.4% hourly.2 /usr 11399MB 37.1% 120MB 0.4% hourly.3 How can /usr:hourly.0 be 25MB, and /usr:hourly.3 be 120MB ??? What's even more mystifying is this: $ ls -al /usr/.snap total 558260 drwxrwxr-x 2 root operator 512 Sep 10 12:00 . drwxr-xr-x 20 root wheel 512 Aug 23 13:55 .. -r-------- 1 root operator 33282639248 Sep 10 14:15 daily.0 -r-------- 1 root operator 33282639248 Sep 10 14:03 daily.1 -r-------- 1 root operator 33282639248 Sep 10 14:15 hourly.0 -r-------- 1 root operator 33282639248 Sep 10 14:15 hourly.1 -r-------- 1 root operator 33282639248 Sep 10 14:15 hourly.2 -r-------- 1 root operator 33282639248 Sep 10 14:03 hourly.3 /usr is a 33GB HW/Raid partition, how can it possibly hold 6 33GB snapshots??? If I mount each one of these, they all report to df that they are indeed 33BB file systems! How is this magic achieved? Is there a doc somewhere with an explaination? TIA Bob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 19:02:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2666116A407 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:02:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: from web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B471E43D53 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:02:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 41485 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Sep 2006 19:02:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dG01qb/42LRWWgKfKBV+QcZMyDRhsnTHgDuObEsa33crf+0TxvVfjY3KL2b1FfhKFSzcbYCK5M0Y9X8nxTeJ27CbFjdgNG3RPgagPxGYURYd+7roMoUgf8sped7yPP0T2YBEcJw2xt2/Itc99/VMgLsWMtIhtlQ8FpxeNDA5Ka4= ; Message-ID: <20060910190209.41483.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.189.184.224] by web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:02:09 PDT Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:02:09 -0700 (PDT) From: White Hat To: FreeBSD Users Questions In-Reply-To: <001701c6d509$09392600$2101a8c0@local.werner.st> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Martin Werner Subject: RE: Making startup order static X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:02:10 -0000 --- Martin Werner wrote: > Hi, > > thought about using PROVIDE and REQUIRE keywords > (see > /usr/local/etc/rc.d/clamav-clamd.sh resp. > clamav-freshclam.sh > > Maybe you might want to have a look into "man rc" or > "man rcorder" > > Cheers, > -Martin- > > > FreeBSD 6.1 > > > > I need to keep several programs starting in a > > particular order. > > > clamav-clamd > > clamav-freshclam > > clamsmtpd > > saslauthd > > dovecot > > postfix > > fetchmail > > > By default, they do not start in that order. I have > > modified the rc.d files to force them to start in > > the > > order specified above. > < > > The problem is that every time I update these > > programs > > the rc.d startup file is modified which destroys the > > changes I have made. This then requires me to > > recreate > > the modifications to force the start up order I > > require. > > > > Is there anyway I can achieve this goal in a > > simplified manner? I thought perhaps there might be > > something I could add to the /etc/rc.conf file; > > however, I have not discovered it. Martin, I don't think that you understood what I meant. Either that or I described it incorrectly. I did modify the rc.d files using BEFORE: and REQUIRE:. That works just fine. The problem is if one of those files is updated, the rc.d file is overwritten resulting in the loss of my customization. I therefore have to manually edit those files again. I was trying to find someway to circumvent that procedure. -- White Hat pigskin_referee@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 19:06:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C80F16A407 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:06:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jbronson@wixb.com) Received: from shadow.sixcompanies.com (shadow.sixcompanies.com [65.43.82.173]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19F543D5F for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:06:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jbronson@wixb.com) Received: from coors.sixcompanies.com (client-89.sixcompanies.com [10.43.82.89]) by shadow.sixcompanies.com (8.14.0.PreAlpha1/8.14.0.PreAlpha1) with ESMTP id k8AJ6KSU011285; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 14:06:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200609101906.k8AJ6KSU011285@shadow.sixcompanies.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.6 (Beta) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 14:06:20 -0500 To: White Hat From: "J.D. Bronson" In-Reply-To: <20060910190209.41483.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <001701c6d509$09392600$2101a8c0@local.werner.st> <20060910190209.41483.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: Martin Werner , FreeBSD Users Questions Subject: RE: Making startup order static X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:06:23 -0000 At 02:02 PM 9/10/2006, White Hat wrote: >--- Martin Werner wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > thought about using PROVIDE and REQUIRE keywords > > (see > > /usr/local/etc/rc.d/clamav-clamd.sh resp. > > clamav-freshclam.sh > > > > Maybe you might want to have a look into "man rc" or > > "man rcorder" > > > > Cheers, > > -Martin- > > > > > FreeBSD 6.1 > > > > > > I need to keep several programs starting in a > > > particular order. > > > > > clamav-clamd > > > clamav-freshclam > > > clamsmtpd > > > saslauthd > > > dovecot > > > postfix > > > fetchmail > > > > > By default, they do not start in that order. I >have > > > modified the rc.d files to force them to start in > > > the > > > order specified above. > > < > > > The problem is that every time I update these > > > programs > > > the rc.d startup file is modified which destroys >the > > > changes I have made. This then requires me to > > > recreate > > > the modifications to force the start up order I > > > require. > > > > > > Is there anyway I can achieve this goal in a > > > simplified manner? I thought perhaps there might >be > > > something I could add to the /etc/rc.conf file; > > > however, I have not discovered it. > >Martin, I don't think that you understood what I >meant. Either that or I described it incorrectly. > >I did modify the rc.d files using BEFORE: and >REQUIRE:. That works just fine. The problem is if one >of those files is updated, the rc.d file is >overwritten resulting in the loss of my customization. >I therefore have to manually edit those files again. I >was trying to find someway to circumvent that >procedure. how about putting them in /usr/local/etc/rc.d and then using a numeric to start them 001file.sh 002file.sh or create a script with just one file.sh ? -JD From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 19:11:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 557A216A407 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:11:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fysical@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DEEC43D78 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:11:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fysical@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so1684289pye for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:10:46 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=oqj9aI943ylizj+3VFVXUw0wJAxWDlDczrG4zBz9AlLK49YGzotzFhdRPPmYvUaedAU5+NAyH/cQrkRo77nc35bY6Zm0FZaMgA78rHIHezPSs8IGV9nrS1Onimv3FesKrZg/7OrXmFLZFVlDdDn6tCp1bpUxppkuAqMEjNH2MIk= Received: by 10.65.219.4 with SMTP id w4mr1031245qbq; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.124.13 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73d604760609101210g2a239e38nf07f13bca477fda8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:40:45 +0530 From: "Viswas Nair" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Sis 190 linux to BSD driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:11:20 -0000 I have a Asus K8S-MX system with has the SiS190 integrated ethernet driver. The ethernet does get detected in the OS and I notice that there is no native BSD driver. I tried project evil and make an ndis wrapper around the windows driver. However this does not work. I have found the linux source for this driver. Could anyone give tips on how to covert this linux driver to work with BSD or any other alternate suggestion? Thanks, Vishy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 19:26:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 633C016A4CE for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:26:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from d.hill@yournetplus.com) Received: from admin.mwci.net (corp.yournetplus.com [162.42.148.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF28D43D73 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:26:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from d.hill@yournetplus.com) Received: from duane.dbq.yournetplus.com (account d.hill@yournetplus.com [65.124.230.214] verified) by admin.mwci.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 44685670; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:26:05 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:26:30 +0000 From: Duane Hill X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1405126802.20060910192630@yournetplus.com> To: White Hat In-Reply-To: <20060910190209.41483.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <001701c6d509$09392600$2101a8c0@local.werner.st> <20060910190209.41483.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Users Questions Subject: Re: Making startup order static X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Duane Hill List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:26:08 -0000 On Sunday, September 10, 2006 at 7:02:09 PM, White confabulated: > --- Martin Werner wrote: >> Hi, >> >> thought about using PROVIDE and REQUIRE keywords >> (see >> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/clamav-clamd.sh resp. >> clamav-freshclam.sh >> >> Maybe you might want to have a look into "man rc" or >> "man rcorder" >> >> Cheers, >> -Martin- >> >> > FreeBSD 6.1 >> > >> > I need to keep several programs starting in a >> > particular order. >> >> > clamav-clamd >> > clamav-freshclam >> > clamsmtpd >> > saslauthd >> > dovecot >> > postfix >> > fetchmail >> >> > By default, they do not start in that order. I > have >> > modified the rc.d files to force them to start in >> > the >> > order specified above. >> < >> > The problem is that every time I update these >> > programs >> > the rc.d startup file is modified which destroys > the >> > changes I have made. This then requires me to >> > recreate >> > the modifications to force the start up order I >> > require. >> > >> > Is there anyway I can achieve this goal in a >> > simplified manner? I thought perhaps there might > be >> > something I could add to the /etc/rc.conf file; >> > however, I have not discovered it. > Martin, I don't think that you understood what I > meant. Either that or I described it incorrectly. > I did modify the rc.d files using BEFORE: and > REQUIRE:. That works just fine. The problem is if one > of those files is updated, the rc.d file is > overwritten resulting in the loss of my customization. > I therefore have to manually edit those files again. I > was trying to find someway to circumvent that > procedure. J.D. Bronson took the words from my fingers. I have a server application that needs the 5.0 compatibility loaded running on our 6.0 server. Once compat5x was installed via the port, the startup script that was placed within /usr/local/etc/rc.d had '000.' prepended to its name to ensure it was loaded before anything. I.e. 000.compat5x.sh. I also had the same scenario with order in startup. That was rectified by setting up one script to start each of the items in order. -- "This message was sent using 100% recycled electrons." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 19:36:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF84416A416 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:36:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philippe.lang@attiksystem.ch) Received: from mail.attiksystem.ch (f29.attiksystem.ch [212.147.59.29]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E713C43D6E for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:36:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from philippe.lang@attiksystem.ch) Received: from poweredge.attiksystem.ch (poweredge.attiksystem.ch [10.0.0.29]) by mail.attiksystem.ch (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8AJahou065371; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:36:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from philippe.lang@attiksystem.ch) Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:36:43 +0200 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=SHA1; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C6D521.338D67A0" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Message-ID: <6C0CF58A187DA5479245E0830AF84F421D1182@poweredge.attiksystem.ch> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Recommended remote management card for FreeBSD 6.X? thread-index: AcbRkZ3OMf7J9WFZQ7mEN1hxM6qS9gDfp6/Q From: "Philippe Lang" To: "Nicklas B. Westerlund" X-Spam-Score: -1.44 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.49 on 10.0.0.111 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Recommended remote management card for FreeBSD 6.X? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:36:49 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C6D521.338D67A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org wrote: > Philippe Lang skrev: >> Hi, >> >> What remote management card (like Drac, for example) would > you recommend for a FreeBSD 6.X Server? > > I guess you'll get as many replies as there are vendors here, > but my 2 cents worth of advice is to go with the HP iLO / > iLO2 - they work like a charm! 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Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:40:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: from web34412.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web34412.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 28D6F43D5F for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:40:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 92139 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Sep 2006 19:40:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4m3hiAsNKFzlXD8eUjR3a8bJaYnoLAh/0Om31dM5hhu+l7zQTRpd1YWl48/8KqMaWmEVX/xzix+TSjUDpP3dY/sHcrZ5o38wqjNb+ZtxYtBSvrbffT2wfPEtM/ugoA66QBwhSc9pvgKGqYNhUYNS/XaG2Q0tDFoaRxKfGy/DC4Y= ; Message-ID: <20060910194056.92137.qmail@web34412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.189.184.224] by web34412.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:40:56 PDT Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:40:56 -0700 (PDT) From: White Hat To: FreeBSD Users Questions In-Reply-To: <200609101906.k8AJ6KSU011285@shadow.sixcompanies.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: RE: Making startup order static X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:40:57 -0000 --- "J.D. Bronson" wrote: > how about putting them in /usr/local/etc/rc.d > and then using a numeric to start them > > 001file.sh > 002file.sh > > or create a script with just one file.sh ? I had considered that approach. The problem is if the program is updated it will will write a new file to the rc.d directory. Since I sort of automate the updating of my system, if I was not vigilante in inspecting the rc.d directory, I could very well end up with two scripts starting the same program. I am not sure how that would work; however, I would assume it would not be a good thing. Furthermore, I am not sure if the numeric thing would really work unless I also modified the REQUIRE: and BEFORE: settings in the scripts(s). I was hoping that there would be a master config file that I could manipulate so that each script is started in a precise order irregardless of its name. -- White Hat pigskin_referee@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 20:05:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B1416A407 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:05:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06FEC43D46 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:05:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from [172.23.170.141] (helo=anti-virus02-08) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMVYr-0007tH-PV; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:05:49 +0100 Received: from [82.41.35.166] (helo=[192.168.0.2]) by asmtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMVYr-0004ug-45; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:05:49 +0100 Message-ID: <4504701C.6090104@dial.pipex.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:05:48 +0100 From: Alex Zbyslaw User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-GB; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060515 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob References: <200609101426.52892.bob@tania.servebbs.org> In-Reply-To: <200609101426.52892.bob@tania.servebbs.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SnapShot Magic X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:05:52 -0000 Bob wrote: >/usr is a 33GB HW/Raid partition, how can it possibly hold 6 33GB >snapshots??? > >If I mount each one of these, they all report to df that they are indeed 33BB >file systems! > >How is this magic achieved? > >Is there a doc somewhere with an explaination? > > Snapshots only hold the originals of blocks that have changed, but still look like a complete file system when you mount them. From man mount: > Further details can be found in the file at > /usr/src/sys/ufs/ffs/README.snapshot. > > which should have a pointer to the original paper. --Alex From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 20:33:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36CF316A47B for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:33:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shantanoo@ghar.dhoomketu.net.in) Received: from youtele.com (sendmail.iqara.net [203.187.192.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB7343D5C for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:33:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from shantanoo@ghar.dhoomketu.net.in) Received: (qmail 21632 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2006 20:30:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ghar.dhoomketu.net.in) ([203.109.124.67]) (envelope-sender ) by youtele.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Sep 2006 20:30:03 -0000 Received: by ghar.dhoomketu.net.in (Postfix, from userid 1001) id F388C2853A; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:17:42 +0530 (IST) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:17:42 +0530 From: Shantanoo Mahajan To: michael johnson Message-ID: <20060910194742.GA1297@madhosh.dhoomketu.net.in> Mail-Followup-To: michael johnson , Jonathan Horne , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200609101013.34332.freebsd@dfwlp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: Hmmm... I dunno X-OS: FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE i386 X-UPTIME: 11:53PM up 1:19, 0 users, load averages: 0.15, 0.13, 0.09 X-Mailer-Website: http://www.mutt.org X-GPG-Fingerprint: 614C 591B D401 98ED 1EF1 8BCF 30A1 5685 07A6 AA4B User-Agent: mutt-ng/devel-r804 (FreeBSD) Cc: Jonathan Horne , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cdrecord not working the way expected X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:33:42 -0000 +++ michael johnson [freebsd] [10-09-06 11:16 -0400]: | On 9/10/06, Jonathan Horne wrote: | > | >anyone here sucessfully using cdrecord in freebsd? -scanbus option gives | >me | >this error: | > | >[root@athena ~]# cdrecord -scanbus | >Cdrecord-Clone 2.01 (i386-unknown-freebsd6.1) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 J?rg | >Schilling | >cdrecord: Error 0. Cannot open SCSI driver. | >cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. | >cdrecord: For possible transport specifiers try 'cdrecord dev=help'. | > | >i have a feeling that the reason my DVD-CDRW isnt working in xine is | >probably | >rooted in the same cause. can anyone point me in the right direction | >here? | > | >[root@athena ~]# dmesg |grep acd0 | >acd0: CDRW at ata0-master UDMA40 | >acd0: CDRW at ata0-master UDMA40 | >[root@athena ~]# uname -a | >FreeBSD athena.dfwlp.com 6.1-STABLE FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE #0: Wed Aug 30 | >13:08:08 | >CDT 2006 root@athena.dfwlp.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ATHENA i386 | > | >anything at all that can get me going on this would be much appricated! # kldload atapicam # chmod 666 /dev/pass0 /dev/xpt0 /dev/cd0 > k3b Is what I generally use and it works for me. After you run 'kldload..' check the dmesg output immediatly. You shoud be able to see some 'cd0' or 'cd*'. 'dmesg | grep ^cd' Shantanoo -- Ignore everybody. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 20:34:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 374F516A403 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:34:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ajm91qw@sbcglobal.net) Received: from smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 863BE43D72 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:34:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ajm91qw@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 64895 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2006 20:34:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent; b=vXUpRl9EnxhGa8oq/4gtbWkyp+QLqmRFP09mIQq7Fts1NzU1nQsJmg4x7uRkouN3TxG0zBs/LT/l3kk8l5rWDwQJ+paoxCpRMoQ6A+psfGjAJeOT57DS+Efp1WcDG2z9HrNWlTRQpzBzy+/4QNYD+8y0XSUlc7P9Z7XyL5Drxb8= ; Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (ajm91qw@sbcglobal.net@70.238.68.187 with plain) by smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2006 20:34:52 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:36:33 -0500 From: ajm To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060910203633.GA4512@powerfull.bsd> References: <20a8c0f30609051744r71f9f47ak831a418cb063f836@mail.gmail.com> <002701c6d503$cec0d540$6401a8c0@moreprivate> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <002701c6d503$cec0d540$6401a8c0@moreprivate> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Subject: Re: easy patch management tools X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:34:56 -0000 On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 02:06:14PM -0400, RJ wrote: > Suggestions from another rookie(me): > > I use the ports tree and portsnap, > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/portsnap.html, and > when it's time to update the following "one liner" works great for me: > > cd /boot/ ; cp -Rp kernel kernel.good ; cd /usr/src ; cvsup -gL2 > /usr/share/examples/cvsup/standard-supfile ; make -j4 buildworld ; make > buildkernel ; make installkernel ; make installworld; mergermaster ; reboot > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aaron Bliss" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 8:44 PM > Subject: easy patch management tools > > > > Hi everyone, first let me say that I'm pretty new to bsd, so please > forgive > > the newbie questions; I've been using linux (redhat, suse, centos) for > many > > years, and so learning bsd was a bit of a learning curve, but not bad (I > > almost never use gui's for administration); I was wondering if there are > any > > packagement tools for freebsd/pcbsd that offer simular functionality to > > up2date or yum; I take care of installing and updating complete rpm based > > systems using yum, and have not found a tool simular to yum for freebds > (I'm > > also trying to stay away from pbi's, since they are specific to pcbsd); > I've > > used the pkg_add, pkg_delete, portupgrade tools, but am just looking for > an > > easy way to ensure my entire bsd box is updated; Also, as I understand it, > > bsd makes use of ports, by using tools such as cvsup, however I have never > > had much success compiling my own software, as such much prefer to use > > binary packages, which I understand that the freebsd authors provide; for > > example, if I wanted to install pine, I would much rather install it by > > running pkg_add -r pine ; I'm just looking for a simple way to update > > currently installed binaries, simular to installing new binaries with > > pkg_add ; thanks very much for your help with this. > > > > Aaron > > _______________________________________________ I perfer to use portsnap with portupgrade. Others use portsnap with portmanager. Yet others will suggest portsnap with portmaster. I am not very familiar with portmaster, but I have used the other two to upgrade my system. Read the man pages for information on installing packages. -- FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE i386 GENERIC From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 20:40:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D640916A403 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:40:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ajm91qw@sbcglobal.net) Received: from smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4400643D45 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:40:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ajm91qw@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 86972 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2006 20:40:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent; b=Of5fOXKkopSI7TMkuIHHl/DOh7n1vDNKSPChhoTsxiMhh6iWlmPSwBYNWgILuzLoX4CJ36wN399o5h8SkF9TksX2h5hexM/nKqvZQS2lS9xTKzG0xM/lgMTbV6/en7wizyH0dR4c6NU/bgVKOTnTyfng2fZDtEvgXLGIyBsQ5Ts= ; Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (ajm91qw@sbcglobal.net@70.238.68.187 with plain) by smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2006 20:40:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:41:49 -0500 From: ajm To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060910204149.GB4512@powerfull.bsd> References: <20060910181136.57823.qmail@web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060910181136.57823.qmail@web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Subject: Re: Making startup order static X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:40:10 -0000 On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 11:11:36AM -0700, White Hat wrote: > FreeBSD 6.1 > > I need to keep several programs starting in a > particular order. > > clamav-clamd > clamav-freshclam > clamsmtpd > saslauthd > dovecot > postfix > fetchmail > > By default, they do not start in that order. I have > modified the rc.d files to force them to start in the > order specified above. > > The problem is that every time I update these programs > the rc.d startup file is modified which destroys the > changes I have made. This then requires me to recreate > the modifications to force the start up order I > require. > > Is there anyway I can achieve this goal in a > simplified manner? I thought perhaps there might be > something I could add to the /etc/rc.conf file; > however, I have not discovered it. > > -- > > White Hat > pigskin_referee@yahoo.com > It is my understanding the files get called in alphabetical order. Look in your /usr/local/etc/rc.d directory. I had a small problem with squid and dansguardian not being call in order. Renaming one of them solved my problem. I hope this help... -- FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE i386 GENERIC From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 21:29:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C112C16A40F for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:29:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rww@safllc.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565A643D55 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:29:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rww@safllc.com) Received: from DELL8400 (ool-182cb6b4.dyn.optonline.net [24.44.182.180]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <0J5E00FABBOLM100@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 17:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 17:29:11 -0400 From: Bob Walker To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-id: <000001c6d520$292f6700$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: AcbVH2my8HNkAT8kSe2yaklKETc/NQ== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:29:16 -0000 Hi, I have always wanted to better understand Unix, and so I finally made the decision to switch some of my office PCs over to either a Unix or Linux system. With office suites like OpenOffice, I felt that I would be able to transition away from Windows with minimal disruption to my business. So, I downloaded the .iso images from FreeBSD, Suse, and Fedora. I initially favored FreeBSD, since it seemed to have the closest lineage to "pure" Unix, and that was important to me, but after many, many attempts to install both the OS and Gnome desktop environment, I threw up my hands. In brief, the installation process is just awful. After multiple attempts on an admittedly older machine (Pentium II 266Mhz, 256KB ram, 30GB hard drive, S3 Virge graphics card), I was able to get the FreeBSD OS installed, but could not configure Gnome or KDE properly. The documentation is sketchy at best. I had to learn about X11, Xorg, XFree86, and all of the gory history of X before I could even begin to use ee and know to edit the /etc/rc.conf file. The installation process did not recognize my graphics card or Ethernet connection, and all I could get was a crude 600x800 display. And DesktopBSD was even worse. I then repartitioned my drive and sequentially installed Fedora Core 5 amd then Suse 10.1. Both were EASY to install, Fedora in particular recognized all of my peripherals, and I was up and running with it in about two hours. Conversely, FreeBSD took me multiple days and has still left me bewildered. Needless to say, I was very disappointed. I feel that FreeBSD will never achieve broader acceptance (even with momentum building for alternative OS) among people with modest technical proficiency and fairly simple requirements (i.e., spreadsheets, word processing, presentations, email). FreeBSD has an awful "out of the box" experience. It's too bad, because I think FreeBSD is probably a better OS, but I'll never really know. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 21:37:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1010916A407 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:37:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from zeus.dfwlp.com (zeus.dfwlp.com [208.11.134.127]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BACCD43D5D for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:37:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from athena.dfwlp.com (athena.dfwlp.com [192.168.125.83]) (authenticated bits=0) by zeus.dfwlp.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8ALavdQ041211; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:36:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) From: Jonathan Horne To: michael johnson , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:36:57 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <200609101013.34332.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <20060910194742.GA1297@madhosh.dhoomketu.net.in> In-Reply-To: <20060910194742.GA1297@madhosh.dhoomketu.net.in> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609101636.57592.freebsd@dfwlp.com> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on zeus.dfwlp.com Cc: Subject: Re: cdrecord not working the way expected X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:37:05 -0000 On Sunday 10 September 2006 14:47, Shantanoo Mahajan wrote: > +++ michael johnson [freebsd] [10-09-06 11:16 -0400]: > | On 9/10/06, Jonathan Horne wrote: > | >anyone here sucessfully using cdrecord in freebsd? -scanbus option > | > gives me > | >this error: > | > > | >[root@athena ~]# cdrecord -scanbus > | >Cdrecord-Clone 2.01 (i386-unknown-freebsd6.1) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 > | > J?rg Schilling > | >cdrecord: Error 0. Cannot open SCSI driver. > | >cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. > | >cdrecord: For possible transport specifiers try 'cdrecord dev=3Dhelp'. > | > > | >i have a feeling that the reason my DVD-CDRW isnt working in xine is > | >probably > | >rooted in the same cause. can anyone point me in the right direction > | >here? > | > > | >[root@athena ~]# dmesg |grep acd0 > | >acd0: CDRW at ata0-master UDMA40 > | >acd0: CDRW at ata0-master UDMA40 > | >[root@athena ~]# uname -a > | >FreeBSD athena.dfwlp.com 6.1-STABLE FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE #0: Wed Aug 30 > | >13:08:08 > | >CDT 2006 root@athena.dfwlp.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ATHENA i386 > | > > | >anything at all that can get me going on this would be much appricated! > > # kldload atapicam > # chmod 666 /dev/pass0 /dev/xpt0 /dev/cd0 > > > k3b > > Is what I generally use and it works for me. After you run 'kldload..' > check the dmesg output immediatly. You shoud be able to see some 'cd0' > or 'cd*'. 'dmesg | grep ^cd' > > > Shantanoo thank you! that was it!! [root@athena ~]# kldstat Id Refs Address Size Name 1 15 0xc0400000 6b5a90 kernel 2 2 0xc0ab6000 1adb8 linux.ko 3 1 0xc0ad1000 5f60 snd_ich.ko 4 2 0xc0ad7000 22b88 sound.ko 5 1 0xc0afa000 59e80 acpi.ko 6 1 0xc0b54000 4a3710 nvidia.ko 7 1 0xc86f5000 4000 atapicam.ko (dmesg...) 0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device cd0: 3.300MB/s transfers cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present [root@athena ~]# cdrecord -scanbus Cdrecord-Clone 2.01 (i386-unknown-freebsd6.1) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 J=F6r= g=20 Schilling Using libscg version 'schily-0.8'. scsibus1: 1,0,0 100) 'LITE-ON ' 'COMBO SOHC-4832K' 'OQKB' Removable CD-ROM 1,1,0 101) * 1,2,0 102) * 1,3,0 103) * 1,4,0 104) * 1,5,0 105) * 1,6,0 106) * 1,7,0 107) * cheers, jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 21:46:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BCF516A403 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:46:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: from web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.156]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E3E8643D45 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:46:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 29471 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Sep 2006 21:46:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UokNRKhG6NOUMM+stlc08dRJAjK713rS/yw+9ghD98qRVzln/7kfG27iOFAo7geZmZD35XSHY0un9L5gU/GVsVzpIGqlNsudlD7ZOvk1mbj9USjwRTGpI8cVjmGvpLA3c596Mq3eip9NYoEd2C9Xx/mC8xu/TxLzsIoU03PT7A0= ; Message-ID: <20060910214613.29469.qmail@web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.189.184.224] by web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 14:46:13 PDT Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 14:46:13 -0700 (PDT) From: White Hat To: FreeBSD Users Questions In-Reply-To: <1405126802.20060910192630@yournetplus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Making startup order static X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:46:14 -0000 --- Duane Hill wrote: [...] > I also had the same scenario with order in startup. > That was rectified > by setting up one script to start each of the items > in order. I am assuming that you removed the scripts that you called from the rc.d directory. What transpired when you updated a program? Assuming it created a file in rc.d, you then had to manually remove it correct? I am thinking that I could create a script that would check to see if a file existed in rc.d that I had chosen to start manually and if so it would then delete or move the file. However, I would have to ensure that, that script started prior to any other script. It really should not be this difficult. A master file dictating the start order of every script in rc.d would be a cool idea. -- White Hat pigskin_referee@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 21:56:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C02F16A417 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:56:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rylwin@houston.rr.com) Received: from express.cec.wustl.edu (express.cec.wustl.edu [128.252.21.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B96B43D4C for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:56:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rylwin@houston.rr.com) Received: from [128.252.48.91] (48rts91.wuh.wustl.edu [128.252.48.91]) (authenticated bits=0) by express.cec.wustl.edu (8.13.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id k8ALugdE018190 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:56:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <45048A1E.1060207@houston.rr.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:56:46 -0500 From: Ryan Winograd User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Torrentflux, PHP, and Apache X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:56:55 -0000 Hi all, I have a strange problem here. I just installed torrentflux on my freebsd6.1 box and it was working great for a few minutes. Then, for some reason i can't figure out, i was no longer able to view index.php. Other php files were parsed by the server just fine, but for some reason when i tried to access index.php I either got actual php code or a blank file. Let me reiterate that the other php pages for just fine...so I am a little confused. Any advice? Ideas on what could be causing this? Thanks in advance, ryan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 22:04:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFB3716A415 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:04:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stanb@panix.com) Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.1.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 836D743D45 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:04:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stanb@panix.com) Received: from mailspool2.panix.com (mailspool2.panix.com [166.84.1.79]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0DCD9D847; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from teddy.fas.com (c-68-58-232-106.hsd1.sc.comcast.net [68.58.232.106]) by mailspool2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B24AB54A21; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1GMXPI-00033j-00; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:04:04 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:04:04 -0400 From: stan To: Bob Hall , Free BSD Questions list Message-ID: <20060910220404.GB11266@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Bob Hall , Free BSD Questions list References: <20060910125631.GA29818@teddy.fas.com> <20060910155704.GA49622@kongemord.krig.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060910155704.GA49622@kongemord.krig.net> X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.23 X-Uptime: 17:49:48 up 146 days, 18:52, 1 user, load average: 0.05, 0.09, 0.04 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: Stan Brown Cc: Subject: Re: Top behavior differences X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:04:15 -0000 On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 11:57:05AM -0400, Bob Hall wrote: > On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 08:56:31AM -0400, stan wrote: > > Can someone explain to me why top's handling of multi processor > > status display is different on FreeBSD, than it is on Linux? > > Open source started with the concept of individuals hacking the source > code to get the features they want. The commericial ideal of users paying > for features they want was replaced by the ideal of users doing the work > to create the features they want. Open source has evolved into the > concept of many users getting a free ride as a relatively small number > of open source programmers do the work for them, without pay. > > Possible reasons why open source software X doesn't have feature Y: > -- Long discussion of open source philosophy dleted --- Once upon a time, when people posted on lists like this, they got well reasoned technical answers. The question I was really asking, is if there is a technical reason for this difference (eg difernt sturctures for obatining the information in the 2 OS's). The reason that i feel this is an apropriate place to ask such a question, is that top is NOT a port, but is provided by the base OS in FreeBSD. -- Unix is very simple, but it takes a genius to understand the simplicity. (Dennis Ritchie) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 22:04:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE85116A403 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:04:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from betty.computinginnovations.com (dsl081-142-072.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.142.72]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE0243D45 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:04:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from p28.computinginnovations.com (2.chicago.erensfamily.com [64.81.227.169] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by betty.computinginnovations.com (8.13.6/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8AM4TNJ026691; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 17:04:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20060910165959.021d4858@mail.computinginnovations.com> X-Sender: derek@mail.computinginnovations.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 17:06:20 -0500 To: Bob Walker , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Derek Ragona In-Reply-To: <000001c6d520$292f6700$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> References: <000001c6d520$292f6700$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-From: derek@computinginnovations.com X-Spam-Status: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:04:54 -0000 You are correct that FreeBSD is closer with roots to UNIX. You would have done better to post here first and get some pointers on installation. The basic install is usually easy on supported hardware. X and and GUI like gnome, kde, etc are NOT part of the OS. Unlike other OS's there is no GUI tied to FreeBSD. So most X window managers will work. But you should have done a little more research on X and whether your hardware is supported. A couple of the best parts of FreeBSD is the rich ports collection, support for even running the OS on "dated" hardware, and the flexibility of the OS. -Derek At 04:29 PM 9/10/2006, Bob Walker wrote: >Hi, > > > >I have always wanted to better understand Unix, and so I finally made the >decision to switch some of my office PCs over to either a Unix or Linux >system. With office suites like OpenOffice, I felt that I would be able to >transition away from Windows with minimal disruption to my business. So, I >downloaded the .iso images from FreeBSD, Suse, and Fedora. I initially >favored FreeBSD, since it seemed to have the closest lineage to "pure" Unix, >and that was important to me, but after many, many attempts to install both >the OS and Gnome desktop environment, I threw up my hands. > > > >In brief, the installation process is just awful. After multiple attempts on >an admittedly older machine (Pentium II 266Mhz, 256KB ram, 30GB hard drive, >S3 Virge graphics card), I was able to get the FreeBSD OS installed, but >could not configure Gnome or KDE properly. The documentation is sketchy at >best. I had to learn about X11, Xorg, XFree86, and all of the gory history >of X before I could even begin to use ee and know to edit the /etc/rc.conf >file. The installation process did not recognize my graphics card or >Ethernet connection, and all I could get was a crude 600x800 display. And >DesktopBSD was even worse. > > > >I then repartitioned my drive and sequentially installed Fedora Core 5 amd >then Suse 10.1. Both were EASY to install, Fedora in particular recognized >all of my peripherals, and I was up and running with it in about two hours. >Conversely, FreeBSD took me multiple days and has still left me bewildered. >Needless to say, I was very disappointed. I feel that FreeBSD will never >achieve broader acceptance (even with momentum building for alternative OS) >among people with modest technical proficiency and fairly simple >requirements (i.e., spreadsheets, word processing, presentations, email). >FreeBSD has an awful "out of the box" experience. It's too bad, because I >think FreeBSD is probably a better OS, but I'll never really know. Regards, > >Bob Walker >Surveys & Forecasts, LLC >2323 North Street >Fairfield, CT 06824-1738 >T +1.203.255.0505 >F +1.203.549.0635 >M +1.203.685.8860 >www.safllc.com > >.................................................................... >NOTICE: The information in this message is intended only for the >person or entity to which it is addressed and contains confidential >and privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination >or other use of this information by persons or entities other than the >intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this email in error, >immediately contact the sender and destroy all copies of this email >and all other documents included with it. Thank you. > > > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >-- >This message has been scanned for viruses and >dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >believed to be clean. >MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 22:07:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F0D16A407 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:07:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from d.hill@yournetplus.com) Received: from admin.mwci.net (corp.yournetplus.com [162.42.148.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4D7843D45 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:07:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from d.hill@yournetplus.com) Received: from duane.dbq.yournetplus.com (account d.hill@yournetplus.com [65.124.230.214] verified) by admin.mwci.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 44718588; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:07:12 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:07:38 +0000 From: Duane Hill X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1726681987.20060910220738@yournetplus.com> To: White Hat In-Reply-To: <20060910214613.29469.qmail@web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1405126802.20060910192630@yournetplus.com> <20060910214613.29469.qmail@web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Users Questions Subject: Re: Making startup order static X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Duane Hill List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:07:13 -0000 On Sunday, September 10, 2006 at 9:46:13 PM, White confabulated: > --- Duane Hill wrote: > [...] > >> I also had the same scenario with order in startup. >> That was rectified >> by setting up one script to start each of the items >> in order. > I am assuming that you removed the scripts that you > called from the rc.d directory. What transpired when > you updated a program? Assuming it created a file in > rc.d, you then had to manually remove it correct? No. I believe I used the startup script for sa-spamd as a starting point. I'm sure others could be used as a starting point as well. I'm still in the learning process. That way I could remove the ones from the rc.conf that I wanted to start in order and use the 'force' option when loading them from the custom startup script. So, as an example, if you do not have a 'spamd="YES"' in the rc.conf and you attempt to start spamd from the console, it will not start. That is because of the sa-spamd startup script. If you attempt to start spamd from the console and supply 'force start', it will start. Therefore, in my startup script I left it out of the rc.conf and used the 'force start' in my custom startup script. > I am thinking that I could create a script that would > check to see if a file existed in rc.d that I had > chosen to start manually and if so it would then > delete or move the file. However, I would have to > ensure that, that script started prior to any other > script. > It really should not be this difficult. A master file > dictating the start order of every script in rc.d > would be a cool idea. -- "This message was sent using 100% recycled electrons." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 22:20:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AFA116A4AB for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:20:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: from web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.159]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1037A43D7B for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:20:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 50894 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Sep 2006 22:20:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dSM49ciRESRlB4fDxoRh35wV6zVvUsPgjzqxQ54xnGdVC+uJxb2GWXP/xirL6O8x+NjweqXDpo+vLEdi2mRiRxaTOZgRSDY7GxHoQuZqL/cbHSOa8pZPshyjE6Mbz0GKojSA3603kuyaGCITO+bBzvl7/FCWpsdorFu2jWOu2hE= ; Message-ID: <20060910222042.50892.qmail@web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.189.184.224] by web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:20:42 PDT Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:20:42 -0700 (PDT) From: White Hat To: FreeBSD Users Questions In-Reply-To: <1726681987.20060910220738@yournetplus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Making startup order static X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:20:46 -0000 --- Duane Hill wrote: [...] > No. I believe I used the startup script for > sa-spamd as a starting > point. I'm sure others could be used as a starting > point as well. I'm > still in the learning process. That way I could > remove the ones from > the rc.conf that I wanted to start in order and use > the 'force' option > when loading them from the custom startup script. > > So, as an example, if you do not have a > 'spamd="YES"' in the rc.conf > and you attempt to start spamd from the console, > it will not start. > That is because of the sa-spamd startup script. > If you attempt to > start spamd from the console and supply 'force > start', it will start. > Therefore, in my startup script I left it out of > the rc.conf and used > the 'force start' in my custom startup script. I can see how that could work. It is still a hack, but better than nothing. If I cannot come up with anything else, I will give that a try. [...] -- White Hat pigskin_referee@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 23:00:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD07616A40F for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:00:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af300wsm@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2118A43D45 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:00:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from af300wsm@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so1742107pye for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:00:34 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=jNX2KRM+Y/fc8zeKsYILMgwBRez3agt0yAasrFqVg0AF8/tpc7pcfQM+DrqNsssHirLyxyYPEjALdOeIvEElPnALTF4lElkDEd+Ku03w7zbKjg3mWACytUimVOqATeahJEtnuwofcffTUBya7Q3CUte8Uzn+v9pAv46JmxMxRvI= Received: by 10.35.18.3 with SMTP id v3mr7622735pyi; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.44.12 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <340a29540609101600w5530255cvb5bb010c050ed052@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 17:00:34 -0600 From: "Andrew Falanga" To: freebsd-questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Windows "emulator" in amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:00:35 -0000 What package will work to run Windoze programs in FreeBSD/amd64? I don't usually worry about, but my Father switched to FreeBSD/amd64 (which is what I run) and he can't seem to find one. I first steered him toward vmware3, which I found in the ports. But it refused to install because of being the 64-bit OS. So, I tried to install wine, also from ports, and was told the same thing. I went to the wine web site and thought I remembered seeing something about using wine on amd64. So, what windows emulator can be run in amd64? Andy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 23:10:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D5716A403 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:10:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ihilt@bluebottle.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD91B43D53 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:10:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ihilt@bluebottle.com) Received: from cpe-71-72-171-167.woh.res.rr.com (cpe-71-72-171-167.woh.res.rr.com [71.72.171.167]) by ms-smtp-03.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8ANAW2w023986; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:10:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Ian Graeme Hilt To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:08:23 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <20060909201151.30355.qmail@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <089801c6d484$4812a1b0$0225a8c0@Wednesday> In-Reply-To: <089801c6d484$4812a1b0$0225a8c0@Wednesday> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609101908.25757.ihilt@bluebottle.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Cc: jdow Subject: Re: Origin of hard drive parameters X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:10:37 -0000 On Saturday 09 September 2006 10:53 pm, jdow wrote: > From: "stheg olloydson" > > > On 9 Sep 2006 14:54:09 -0000 ihilt wrote: > >>On Wednesday 06 September 2006 7:54 pm, jdow wrote: > >>> >> Ok. Maybe the better question is: in either case, C/H/S or > > > > LBA mode, > > > >>> >> where are these parameters stored? > >>> > >>> They flat out are not stored anywhere. There is a standard > > > > algorithm > > > >>> published by the VESA people, I believe, that provides the > > > > data for > > > >>> all SCSI drives and modern IDE/ATA/SATA drives. > >> > >>Do you know the name of this standard or where I can get it? > >> > >>Ian Graeme Hilt > > > > Actually, the stardard is created by the T13 Technical Committee > > And my idle curiosity would like to know why Ian is interested in > such an antiquated topic? There is a size limit beyond which CHS > simply does not work. The setting of CHS is in practice utterly > arbitrary. For (many/most?) USB ram disk plugins the T13 standard > does not apply due to internal ram layout. And so forth. > > (Certainly on the Amiga this CHS nonsense made no practical > difference except on floppy disks or ST-506 based disk drives. And > in playing with recovering a blown block zero on an Windows machine > (more than once) I learned that CHS is utterly arbitrary on Windows. > It is arbitrary with USB ram disk modulo the ram disk's internal > layout and spares setup. And since large disks for which CHS runs > out of size abound I imagine there is not a place in the 'n'x world > where CHS matters. So I am suspecting historical curiosity if > anything else. May I point out that I was not interested in CHS alone. My focus was the origin of the hard drives parameters i.e. geometry, which is the subject of discussion. From this discussion and other sources I have learned that CHS, as you say, is arbitrary when referring to modern drives. To be specific, drives adhering to ATA/ATAPI Specification 6 and later. ATA/ATAPI Spec. 5 and earlier used CHS mode for representing hard drive capacity. The reason I am interested in this topic is partially because of my "idle curiosity". I'm the type of person interested in the challenge of answering questions. The questions, "How does the BIOS automatically detect correct values for hard disks?" and, "Where is this information stored?" have been stuck in my head for at least 6 months. No amount of searching the web provided me with satisfactory results. I tried a few tests of my own, all of which failed to answer my questions. So, I decided to appeal to the FreeBSD-questions mailing list. Mainly because I have found useful answers to other questions here. The other part of my reason is that one of my coworkers thought this information was stored on the platters of the hard drive. I thought differently but I could not _prove_ it. > As for storing it - read block zero of the disk. > Be DAMN careful not to WRITE to block zero. And if you DO write > to block zero at about the time I quit doing such low level stuff > and moved to other things there were several SCSI hard disk > manufacturers using code that had a defect such that if you wrote > more than one disk block starting at block 0 the whole disk was > toast until you did a fresh low level format on it. One sincerely > hopes THAT defect is gone these days.) > > {O.O} Joanne Reading through ATA/ATAPI -7 has helped me rephrase my questions into one: When the command READ NATIVE MAX ADDRESS is issued to the device, from where is this information returned? -- ~ Ian Graeme Hilt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 00:58:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A796516A40F for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:58:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51AAE43D49 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:58:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) id k8B0vqXp057029; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:57:52 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:57:52 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: Bob Hall , Free BSD Questions list Message-ID: <20060911005752.GF30620@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20060910125631.GA29818@teddy.fas.com> <20060910155704.GA49622@kongemord.krig.net> <20060910220404.GB11266@teddy.fas.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060910220404.GB11266@teddy.fas.com> X-OS: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: Subject: Re: Top behavior differences X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:58:01 -0000 In the last episode (Sep 10), stan said: > On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 11:57:05AM -0400, Bob Hall wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 08:56:31AM -0400, stan wrote: > > > Can someone explain to me why top's handling of multi processor > > > status display is different on FreeBSD, than it is on Linux? > > > > Possible reasons why open source software X doesn't have feature Y: > > -- Long discussion of open source philosophy dleted --- > > Once upon a time, when people posted on lists like this, they got > well reasoned technical answers. > > The question I was really asking, is if there is a technical reason > for this difference (eg difernt sturctures for obatining the > information in the 2 OS's). The reason that i feel this is an > apropriate place to ask such a question, is that top is NOT a port, > but is provided by the base OS in FreeBSD. FreeBSD does not currently track per-cpu usage, only a total. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 01:22:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E7A16A415 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:22:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: from sigma.octantis.com.au (ns2.octantis.com.au [207.44.189.124]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BEF343D6D for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:22:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: (qmail 23470 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2006 11:22:30 +1000 Received: from andromeda.lef.com.au (HELO localhost) (210.8.93.2) by sigma.octantis.com.au with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 11 Sep 2006 11:22:30 +1000 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:22:26 +1000 From: Norberto Meijome To: "Andrew Falanga" Message-ID: <20060911112226.3b561dcb@localhost> In-Reply-To: <340a29540609101600w5530255cvb5bb010c050ed052@mail.gmail.com> References: <340a29540609101600w5530255cvb5bb010c050ed052@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.4.0 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Windows "emulator" in amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:22:32 -0000 On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 17:00:34 -0600 "Andrew Falanga" wrote: > What package will work to run Windoze programs in FreeBSD/amd64? I don't > usually worry about, but my > Father switched to FreeBSD/amd64 (which is what I run) and he can't seem to > find one. I first steered him toward vmware3, which I found in the ports. for vmware3 you'll still need a vmware for linux commercial license to use it. > But it refused to install because of being the 64-bit OS. So, I tried to > install wine, also from ports, and was told the same thing. I went to the > wine web site and thought I remembered seeing something about using wine on > amd64. So, what windows emulator can be run in amd64? have you tried qemu ? I particularly feel it's not worth the effort installing windows inside a vm like qemu..it's just feels soooo slow (because it is :) ... wine seems to me a better way to go, but i didnt know about the 64-bit issue. good luck, _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome Law of Conservation of Perversity: we can't make something simpler without making something else more complex I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 01:34:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C62A216A412 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:34:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stanb@panix.com) Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.1.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3679E43D45 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:34:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stanb@panix.com) Received: from mailspool3.panix.com (mailspool3.panix.com [166.84.1.78]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30EA59DA2A; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from teddy.fas.com (c-68-58-232-106.hsd1.sc.comcast.net [68.58.232.106]) by mailspool3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65DA7D908E0; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1GMagk-0004Oc-00; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:34:18 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:34:18 -0400 From: stan To: Dan Nelson Message-ID: <20060911013418.GA16861@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Dan Nelson , Bob Hall , Free BSD Questions list References: <20060910125631.GA29818@teddy.fas.com> <20060910155704.GA49622@kongemord.krig.net> <20060910220404.GB11266@teddy.fas.com> <20060911005752.GF30620@dan.emsphone.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060911005752.GF30620@dan.emsphone.com> X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.23 X-Uptime: 21:32:23 up 146 days, 22:35, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.03, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: Stan Brown Cc: Bob Hall , Free BSD Questions list Subject: Re: Top behavior differences X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:34:20 -0000 On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 07:57:52PM -0500, Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Sep 10), stan said: > > On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 11:57:05AM -0400, Bob Hall wrote: > > > On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 08:56:31AM -0400, stan wrote: > > > > Can someone explain to me why top's handling of multi processor > > > > status display is different on FreeBSD, than it is on Linux? > > > > > > Possible reasons why open source software X doesn't have feature Y: > > > > -- Long discussion of open source philosophy dleted --- > > > > Once upon a time, when people posted on lists like this, they got > > well reasoned technical answers. > > > > The question I was really asking, is if there is a technical reason > > for this difference (eg difernt sturctures for obatining the > > information in the 2 OS's). The reason that i feel this is an > > apropriate place to ask such a question, is that top is NOT a port, > > but is provided by the base OS in FreeBSD. > > FreeBSD does not currently track per-cpu usage, only a total. > Thanks you. That's the answer I was looking for. -- Unix is very simple, but it takes a genius to understand the simplicity. (Dennis Ritchie) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 01:34:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB59D16A47C for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:34:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: from sigma.octantis.com.au (ns2.octantis.com.au [207.44.189.124]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0074943D45 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:34:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: (qmail 24062 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2006 11:34:34 +1000 Received: from andromeda.lef.com.au (HELO localhost) (210.8.93.2) by sigma.octantis.com.au with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 11 Sep 2006 11:34:34 +1000 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:34:29 +1000 From: Norberto Meijome To: "Marc G. Fournier" Message-ID: <20060911113429.7e521d20@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20060909051603.S981@ganymede.hub.org> References: <4501DE34.25561.1AFD75D6@dan.langille.org> <45022E30.4020905@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20060909001340.G981@ganymede.hub.org> <45027123.8000004@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20060909045857.C981@ganymede.hub.org> <4502760C.70102@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20060909051603.S981@ganymede.hub.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.4.0 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:34:35 -0000 On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 05:34:48 -0300 (ADT) "Marc G. Fournier" wrote: > For those that are accusing bsdstats of being a "pissing match" ... I'm > personally tired of watching Linux get all the support when, IMHO, the > *BSDs are the better system ... the point of bsdstats is to show ppl that > do not support the *BSDs (native Flash plugin anyone?) that their is a > market they are missing out on ... well, if you put it like that, it makes more. ATI-X drivers is something that definitely interest me ;) _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome "Ninety percent of the time things turn out worse than you thought they would. The other ten percent of the time you had no right to expect that much." Augustine I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 02:14:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE38716A412 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:14:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rjhjr@cox.net) Received: from eastrmmtao01.cox.net (eastrmmtao01.cox.net [68.230.240.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225AF43D58 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:14:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rjhjr@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060911021424.EVEE18847.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:14:24 -0400 Received: from localhost ([68.230.186.138]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id LqE91V0032zbV0s0000000 Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:14:09 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:14:23 -0400 From: Bob Hall To: Free BSD Questions list Message-ID: <20060911021423.GA51888@kongemord.krig.net> Mail-Followup-To: Bob Hall , Free BSD Questions list References: <20060910125631.GA29818@teddy.fas.com> <20060910155704.GA49622@kongemord.krig.net> <20060910220404.GB11266@teddy.fas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060910220404.GB11266@teddy.fas.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: Top behavior differences X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:14:26 -0000 On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 06:04:04PM -0400, stan wrote: > On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 11:57:05AM -0400, Bob Hall wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 08:56:31AM -0400, stan wrote: > > > Can someone explain to me why top's handling of multi processor > > > status display is different on FreeBSD, than it is on Linux? > > > > Open source started with the concept of individuals hacking the source > > code to get the features they want. The commericial ideal of users paying > > for features they want was replaced by the ideal of users doing the work > > to create the features they want. Open source has evolved into the > > concept of many users getting a free ride as a relatively small number > > of open source programmers do the work for them, without pay. > > > > Possible reasons why open source software X doesn't have feature Y: > > > -- Long discussion of open source philosophy dleted --- > > Once upon a time, when people posted on lists like this, they got > well reasoned technical answers. They did if they asked for technical answers. What you actually asked, if you'll read your own e-mail, is why FBSD doesn't display the information the way Linux does. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 02:20:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F3E916A403 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:20:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB6F43D45 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:20:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 8287 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2006 02:20:41 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 11 Sep 2006 02:20:41 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 9D75D2842A; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:20:40 -0400 (EDT) To: "Marwan Sultan" References: From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:20:40 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Marwan Sultan's message of "Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:22:49 +0000") Message-ID: <44ejujm9dz.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 6.1 shutting down. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:20:42 -0000 "Marwan Sultan" writes: > Hello everyone, > > I'm On FreeBSD 6.1R, the box is intel945 extra Dlink NIC > P4.3 1G DDR2, 160GB sata. > > running Freeradius, chillispot, MySql 4.1, apache2. > acting as NAT and hotspot login. > > there is two diffrent servers with the same specifications. > > Its was working fine starting from day 1 to day 5 uptime. > and the other box from day 1 to 3, > with almost 30 users as hotspot login. > > On day 5, it had a sudden shutdown, some users called me reported > there is no internet > when i checked the server i discovered the box is off power. > > The second box after 3 days had the same problem. > > when i started the power, for both...again it start to work in a goodway. > > I was shocked.. checked messages, dmesg, and almost everything I > couldnot find any clue > in logs.. so > question 1, How would i check what happened for this power shutting down? Did the filesystems come up clean? That would be a hint that the kernel shut down on purpose. [I wouldn't expect it, since you said there were no hints in the logs, but it's worth checking. Next step is probably to set up a serial console and see if anything useful is showing up there when the shutdown occurs. Also try to get and track any information about system temperature, voltage, and so on; these kinds of phantom powerdowns are usually power trouble in my experience. > 2) > in my dmesg and since i was settingup the box, the following error > was always coming and on > single line > > atapci1: failed to enable memory mapping! I can't find that message in the -STABLE sources. Admittedly, it was a very quick search, but are you sure you copied it exactly? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 02:29:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C896816A40F for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:29:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gordon@visi.com) Received: from cenn.mc.mpls.visi.com (cenn.mc.mpls.visi.com [208.42.156.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7B543D45 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:29:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gordon@visi.com) Received: from neit.visi.com (neit.visi.com [208.42.75.4]) by cenn.mc.mpls.visi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E038F8289; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:29:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: by neit.visi.com (Postfix, from userid 15013) id AA17521B2D; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:29:32 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:29:32 -0500 From: Gordon Pedersen To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20060911022932.GA24983@visi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: gordon@visi.com Subject: Fail update ruby from 1.8.2 to 1.8.5 (libruby18-static.a version issue) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gordon Pedersen List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:29:33 -0000 Hi, I need help overcoming an obstacle updating ruby 1.8.2 to 1.8.5. I run FreeBSD 5.4-STABLE for i386 installed Sep 18 2005. I just updated the ports tree like this: # cvsup # make fetchindex # portsdb -Uu "pkgdb -F" shows only a couple issue, and they are not ruby-applicable: "stale origin" for acroread, plus some linux-atk related stale dependencies. I fail to build ruby as both static and non-static with same error message: # cd /usr/ports/lang/ruby18 or /usr/ports/lang/ruby18_static # make The make fails on this line with accompanying error message. cc main.o libruby18-static.a -lcrypt -lm -pthread -o miniruby -0 -pipe -march=pentiumpro -fPIC -DRUBY_EXPORT -rdynamic /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/i386-freebsd5/rbconfig.rb:7: ruby lib version (1.8.2) doesn't match executable version (1.8.5) (RuntimeError) ***Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/lang/ruby18/work/ruby-1.8.5. I notice that libruby18-static.a exists in 2 places: -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1240338 Sep 30 2005 /usr/local/lib/libruby18-static -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1265402 Sep 10 21:11 /usr/ports/lang/ruby18/work/ruby-1.8.5/libruby18-static.a Seems like somehow I could use the latter newer version but I don't know how to configure for this when using "make" in the ports. Or maybe there is a better way. Couldn't find applicable suggestions using google or the search feature for this mailing list. Am not sure of good way to update ruby, any help so I understand how to manage this and potential other critical components like perl is appreciated. Thanks for suggestions. -- Gordon Pedersen gordon@visi.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 03:43:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B490D16A407 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:43:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@tania.servebbs.org) Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.1.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6885F43D45 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:43:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob@tania.servebbs.org) Received: from mailspool3.panix.com (mailspool3.panix.com [166.84.1.78]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F028D9D8A0 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:43:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tania.servebbs.org (pool-71-247-53-141.nycmny.east.verizon.net [71.247.53.141]) by mailspool3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44919D908E1 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:43:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob Organization: TamaraB To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:43:06 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200609101426.52892.bob@tania.servebbs.org> <4504701C.6090104@dial.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4504701C.6090104@dial.pipex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609102343.06905.bob@tania.servebbs.org> Subject: Re: SnapShot Magic X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:43:04 -0000 On Sunday 10 September 2006 16:05, Alex Zbyslaw wrote: > From man mount: > > Further details can be found in the file at > > /usr/src/sys/ufs/ffs/README.snapshot. Thanks Alex! While we are on the subject, is there an easy way of determining when a particular snapshot was created? The rotation of snapshots obscures their creation date, and "snapshot list" doesn't give a clue. TIA Bob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 03:44:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D35516A412 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:44:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh.carroll@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.239]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B73F43D45 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:44:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from josh.carroll@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so1488336wxd for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:44:01 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=SGhd45TvYVh3XrmgGJ6z2dF3INjVwNbfaSB7rtwoeMSrjMqJ5DPfqiCLKL/pqspfEGXREpavK5hTM/e2uKtGXDLO5oFXnXk4e48baUJ0nhW2gVj7WGRphUxVDVjQd7krJuFw6GCHLbYTHnMXPSeIbG5TCGIzgJgc8IAGgO822Vw= Received: by 10.90.65.11 with SMTP id n11mr1403847aga; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:44:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.56.6 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:44:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8cb6106e0609102044k27a84659ye4e892cc6097fff9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:44:01 -0700 From: "Josh Carroll" Sender: josh.carroll@gmail.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200609101011.k8AABiCA010204@tausa.cc.uit.no> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5d79fc9236cf144e Cc: Johan Johansen , Bill-Schoolcraft Subject: Re: atapicam trouble (me too) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:44:03 -0000 Neither disabling atapicam nor atapicd works on my Core2Duo system. I don't know whether it's related to the new IDE controllers (JMicron 363 and Intel ICH8) or a similar problem to what you're reporting. The best I can do is about 3MB/s with atapicd and DMA disabled and also with atapicam. Both have problems reading files from a DVD, I end up getting READ_BIG errors from the kernel. Sure would like to be able to use this DVD drive in FreeBSD! :) Josh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 04:32:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8CE816A415 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 04:32:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kruptos@mlinux.org) Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7778043D45 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 04:32:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kruptos@mlinux.org) Received: from fnord.quux.edu (21.39.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com [65.33.39.21]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8B4WC26016852; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:32:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin Brunelle To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:32:11 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <000001c6d520$292f6700$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> In-Reply-To: <000001c6d520$292f6700$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609110032.11994.kruptos@mlinux.org> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Cc: Bob Walker Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 04:32:15 -0000 > In brief, the installation process is just awful. After multiple attempts > on an admittedly older machine (Pentium II 266Mhz, 256KB ram, 30GB hard > drive, S3 Virge graphics card), I was able to get the FreeBSD OS installed, > but could not configure Gnome or KDE properly. The documentation is sketchy > at best. I had to learn about X11, Xorg, XFree86, and all of the gory > history of X before I could even begin to use ee and know to edit the > /etc/rc.conf file. The installation process did not recognize my graphics > card or Ethernet connection, and all I could get was a crude 600x800 > display. And DesktopBSD was even worse. The Handbook is excellent at walking through much of the setup. Although, in cases similar to yours I always recommend starting with the article designed for people new to both FreeBSD and Unix. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/new-users/index.html This gets you started on all the basics you'll need to know to get everything else under control and is short enough that you don't feel compelled to jump around and possibly miss stuff. It doesn't cover X setup but gets you comfortable working in the command line which is what you're going to need to be proficient at until you have X configured. X is usually fairly easy to setup but you need to know how to move around. > Conversely, FreeBSD took me multiple days and has still left me bewildered. > Needless to say, I was very disappointed. I feel that FreeBSD will never > achieve broader acceptance (even with momentum building for alternative OS) > among people with modest technical proficiency and fairly simple > requirements (i.e., spreadsheets, word processing, presentations, email). > FreeBSD has an awful "out of the box" experience. It's too bad, because I > think FreeBSD is probably a better OS, but I'll never really know. Regards, FreeBSD has an excellent out of the box experience, for the majority of people who use it. The best out of the box experience (for most BSD users) is a base system which is configured to be used well enough to set it up for whatever use you intend for it. Even moving to it completely new, it's not bad if you take the time to learn it. Moving to a different OS isn't something you should take lightly. There's a reason people are encouraged to read all the documentation they can before starting. With that said, the installation does require administrative ability. But since it's your machine, you will eventually need that. Huge learning curve right at the front but it's very gentle after that. My step-mother (who can't manage to understand why programs people send her don't run -- yes they're windows viruses -- and only knows her web-browser because it's the globe icon) manages to use FreeBSD without issue. She absolutely loves it and does everything you listed as simple requirements and more. But I set it up for her because she wasn't up for the learning curve. If you're of modest-technical ability and have a desire to learn the OS, it's not very difficult to overcome that curve. But the curve does exist. Anyway, when you're stuck, posting specific questions about your problems here (or trying google) is usually a lot more productive than giving up and sending an email about how it doesn't work to the help list. -Kevin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 04:38:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68CBD16A407 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 04:38:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02AFE43D49 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 04:38:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@hub.org) Received: from localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31BBF290408 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:38:24 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 91982-05 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:38:24 -0300 (ADT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-137-86-60.eastlink.ca [24.137.86.60]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E0D3290405 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:38:23 -0300 (ADT) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1027) id 8AE5933DF1; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:38:23 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86B9E33C4F for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:38:23 -0300 (ADT) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:38:23 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060911013751.S1031@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: bsdnews or daemonnews ... ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 04:38:26 -0000 does anyone know what's going on with those? trying to access both all night and nadda ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 05:03:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7ECE16A403 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 05:03:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dthomas53@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.238]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3882043D45 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 05:03:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dthomas53@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so1507633wxd for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:03:06 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=uVjmyGffrQVnyMTjtKVVunZqP0Hf3DDcM7d1MqAC7BfS29W6WUO5uuGGLHYyL+JRZDv3jrWNSCSWs4/6rc4WwxEzfxsR8nZrbJfLSiwsjZbpZEt9a2L4IJPFOzZlvCIg6g81JNzb4p37AWysKKyxCYAkEy5G7RCmrWz7MJendZg= Received: by 10.90.100.6 with SMTP id x6mr1416748agb; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:03:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.117.20 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:03:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:03:06 -0400 From: "David Stanford" To: "Marc G. Fournier" In-Reply-To: <20060911013751.S1031@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060911013751.S1031@ganymede.hub.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bsdnews or daemonnews ... ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 05:03:07 -0000 I've forwarded this to Chris Coleman and Mikel King who run the site... On 9/11/06, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > > does anyone know what's going on with those? trying to access both all > night and nadda ... > > ---- > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org > ) > Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org > Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- [root@fbsd ~]# fortune Happiness is just an illusion, filled with sadness and confusion. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 05:26:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A119316A403 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 05:26:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bill@wiliweld.com) Received: from typhoon.he.net (typhoon.he.net [64.62.229.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A54A43D45 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 05:26:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bill@wiliweld.com) Received: from liam ([71.141.72.46]) by typhoon.he.net for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:26:16 -0700 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:26:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill-Schoolcraft X-X-Sender: bill@liam To: Josh Carroll In-Reply-To: <8cb6106e0609102044k27a84659ye4e892cc6097fff9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <200609101011.k8AABiCA010204@tausa.cc.uit.no> <8cb6106e0609102044k27a84659ye4e892cc6097fff9@mail.gmail.com> System-ID: [en] (SuSE-9.3 64-bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Johan Johansen , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: atapicam trouble () X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 05:26:17 -0000 At Sun, 10 Sep 2006 it looks like Josh Carroll composed: > Neither disabling atapicam nor atapicd works on my Core2Duo system. I > don't know whether it's related to the new IDE controllers (JMicron > 363 and Intel ICH8) or a similar problem to what you're reporting. The > best I can do is about 3MB/s with atapicd and DMA disabled and also > with atapicam. Both have problems reading files from a DVD, I end up > getting READ_BIG errors from the kernel. Sure would like to be able to > use this DVD drive in FreeBSD! :) > > Josh > ahh, took a break and using the drive to test a Solaris-10 install, been years since I tried this... had to go find an old Intel nic just to get networking up... I'm a glutten for punishment! Then I forgot to "copy" /etc/nsswitch.dns on top of /etc/nsswitch.conf and for the life of me could not get "OUT" on to the Internet... (giggle) If that atapicam attempt on my part did not blow Xorg out of the water and leave me at 800x600 I'd never be painfully beating myself with Solaris-10 now! Downloaded "pkg-get" so things are bearable! (grin) -- Bill Schoolcraft <<<<*>>>> http://wiliweld.com <*> " If you turn your headlights on while going the speed of light, does anything happen? " From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 06:29:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95CDB16A415 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 06:29:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from whatawonderfulworldweliveintoo@yahoo.com) Received: from web58401.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web58401.mail.re3.yahoo.com [68.142.236.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9760543D58 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 06:29:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from whatawonderfulworldweliveintoo@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 29271 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Sep 2006 06:29:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bm6WgsNNFSLMLj+WfsMBUFnPTgRUQarP5wfpwkyVg/yTKzj7zTxi+mw/HD0wKNfOPkH+v+h7nz0gd867NRvtPb1b612bvyluARxKnR/gn6g4vbCorARS4LbJeWX8D0sf4p50HP6AUpF9riQW2RdA9gTkXcPJuuUZ8efdw5YkhDc= ; Message-ID: <20060911062942.29269.qmail@web58401.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.82.9.64] by web58401.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:29:42 PDT Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:29:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Ted Johnson To: Atom Powers , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Hell Installing OpenLDAP/Berkeley-DB/Java X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 06:29:44 -0000 I found a different file to build BerkeleyDB and built it successfully: /usr/ports/databases/p5-BerkeleyDB Then I rebuilt OpenLDAP from here: /usr/ports/net/openldap23-server Following the OpenLDAP tutorial, I edited slapd.conf and created an example.ldif file. Then I ran: ldapadd -x -D "cn=admin,dc=2012,dc=vi" -W -f example.ldif (all correct for my domain/configuration). I was asked to give my LDAP password. When I entered it (exactly as is in the slapd.conf file) I was told that was incorrect: ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49) This makes me believe that Berkeley isn't properly installed. How can I test that? What steps do you take to properly install this duo? TIA, Ted2 Atom Powers wrote: On 9/8/06, Ted Johnson wrote: > Hi; > I tried to install OpenLDAP, but it needs Berkeley-DB and complained that the version installed was incompatible. I tried compiling it without Berkeley (using GNU instead) but it wouldn't. I tried installing Berkeley DB without Java (for simplicity's sake), but that didn't work. I tried moving that installation to where the ports would be but still no go. So I tried a make of the berkeley-db port but that complained it needed a Java plug-in that had to be loaded manually because of licensing restrictions. I don't know why BDB would want Java (check make.conf?). I've done several OpenLDAP/BDB installs recently and I never installed any kind of Java. -- -- Perfection is just a word I use occasionally with mustard. --Atom Powers-- _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 06:42:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C7E16A403 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 06:42:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdow@earthlink.net) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD4AB43D53 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 06:42:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jdow@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=tiFznL54BLONPtJ7eU4juDa1TgJNCZh4FsWXbArLhjlTOmPQa483r3MX5NDn0HXv; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.116.130.69] (helo=Wednesday) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GMfUo-00056B-PM for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:42:19 -0400 Message-ID: <001d01c6d56d$6d4cd060$0225a8c0@Wednesday> From: "jdow" To: References: <20060909201151.30355.qmail@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com><089801c6d484$4812a1b0$0225a8c0@Wednesday> <200609101908.25757.ihilt@bluebottle.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:42:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-ELNK-Trace: bb89ecdb26a8f9f24d2b10475b5711207accd2cb983a4b7508236975ca2dd6b6c26936b653ac4aac350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.116.130.69 Subject: Re: Origin of hard drive parameters X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 06:42:25 -0000 From: "Ian Graeme Hilt" > > May I point out that I was not interested in CHS alone. My focus was the > origin of the hard drives parameters i.e. geometry, which is the subject of > > discussion. From this discussion and other sources I have learned that CHS, > as you > say, is arbitrary when referring to modern drives. To be specific, > drives adhering to ATA/ATAPI Specification 6 and later. ATA/ATAPI Spec. 5 and > earlier used CHS mode for representing hard drive capacity. The reason I am > interested > in this topic is partially because of my "idle curiosity". I'm the > type of person interested in the challenge of answering questions. The > questions, "How does the BIOS automatically detect correct values for hard > disks?" and, "Where is this information stored?" have been stuck in my head > for at > least 6 months. No amount of searching the web provided me with > satisfactory results. I tried a few tests of my own, all of which failed to > answer my > questions. So, I decided to appeal to the FreeBSD-questions mailing > list. Mainly because I have found useful answers to other questions here. The > other part of my reason is that one of my coworkers thought this information > was stored on the platters of the hard drive. I thought differently but I > could not _prove_ it. Good reason. And the information is indeed stored on the platters of the hard disks in a place you cannot read directly. It is easier for me to refer to SCSI than to ATA. With SCSI the operating code for the disk is stored on the disk. What comes up at first is enough SCSI to say "I'm a disk; and, I'm not ready." When you issue ReadCapacity, Mode Sense, and Inquiry commands you are accessing data stored on the same reserved sectors as the disk's operating code. Special diagnositic commands allow the operating code to be modified. The "Mode Select" command allows you to reconfigure the disk's geometry. This takes effect after you next low level format the drive if you have no other intervening commands. This allows you to alter the spare blocks and cylinders on the disk as well as configure most other operating parameters. These are stored where operating systems normally cannot see them with normal read/write commands. So your coworker is correct, it is stored on the drive and barring nvram on the drive it is stored on the actual platters. >> As for storing it - read block zero of the disk. >> Be DAMN careful not to WRITE to block zero. And if you DO write >> to block zero at about the time I quit doing such low level stuff >> and moved to other things there were several SCSI hard disk >> manufacturers using code that had a defect such that if you wrote >> more than one disk block starting at block 0 the whole disk was >> toast until you did a fresh low level format on it. One sincerely >> hopes THAT defect is gone these days.) >> >> {O.O} Joanne > > Reading through ATA/ATAPI -7 has helped me rephrase my questions into one: > When the command READ NATIVE MAX ADDRESS is issued to the device, from where > is this information returned? It may be cached somewhere for quick returns. There are tools for tuning disk performance for both ATA and SCSI disks that can alter the operating parameters. Some options read OS cached values. Others dig down and issue the 'standard' query commands and read the actual values off the disk. The disk is the final arbiter, in modern terms. When doing the configuration utility that became arguably the most popular one for the Amiga I ran across some small number of hard disks that returned off by 1 values for size. (Micropolis was one offender at one time.) And I also ran across drives delivered with only the first few megabytes formatted. So I built into the configuration utility an actual search for the last readable block. I used the lesser of that value and the value the drive declared to Read Capacity commands. At least the formats it generated were safe. (I think it was either Maxtor or CDC/Seagate that had the partially formatted drives escape from their factory.) I hope this answers questions enough so that the next question is more obvious. (And in retrospect - the drive is the only thing that knows the precise formatting parameters. So it is quite logical that the original source for the size data is the drive itself. This is not always, in my experience, a constant for all revisions of the same model of drive.) {^_^} Joanne From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 09:30:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E63EB16A403 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:30:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3444343D5A for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:30:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from [172.23.170.146] (helo=anti-virus03-09) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMi7n-0008T4-56; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:30:43 +0100 Received: from [82.41.35.166] (helo=[192.168.0.2]) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMi7m-0002VW-I9; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:30:42 +0100 Message-ID: <45052CC2.1040509@dial.pipex.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:30:42 +0100 From: Alex Zbyslaw User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-GB; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060515 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: White Hat References: <20060910181136.57823.qmail@web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060910181136.57823.qmail@web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Making startup order static X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:30:47 -0000 White Hat wrote: >FreeBSD 6.1 > >I need to keep several programs starting in a >particular order. > >clamav-clamd >clamav-freshclam >clamsmtpd >saslauthd >dovecot >postfix >fetchmail > >By default, they do not start in that order. I have >modified the rc.d files to force them to start in the >order specified above. > >The problem is that every time I update these programs >the rc.d startup file is modified which destroys the >changes I have made. This then requires me to recreate >the modifications to force the start up order I >require. > >Is there anyway I can achieve this goal in a >simplified manner? I thought perhaps there might be >something I could add to the /etc/rc.conf file; >however, I have not discovered it. > > You might get more informed answers if you try asking this question on the freebsd-rc@ mailing list. I believe 6.1 uses rcorder for scripts from /usr/local/etc/rc.d, in which case you might be able to create local patches in the relevant ports which added appropriate e.g. # BEFORE: # PROVIDES: # REQUIRE: lines to force the order you want. This assumes that they do not use .sh suffixed scripts and that you use cvsup rather than portsnap, which I believe would trash your local patches. --Alex From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 09:32:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A16B16A407 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:32:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com (mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67DE243D67 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:32:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from localhost (monrovll-cuda1-24-53-251-44.pittpa.adelphia.net [24.53.251.44]) (AUTH: LOGIN wmoran, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by wingspan with esmtp; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 05:32:42 -0400 id 00056428.45052D3A.0000E8F6 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 05:32:40 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: Bob Walker Message-Id: <20060911053240.30d8117d.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> In-Reply-To: <000001c6d520$292f6700$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> References: <000001c6d520$292f6700$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> Organization: Collaborative Fusion X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.7 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:32:54 -0000 Bob Walker wrote: > Hi, > > I have always wanted to better understand Unix, and so I finally made the > decision to switch some of my office PCs over to either a Unix or Linux > system. With office suites like OpenOffice, I felt that I would be able to > transition away from Windows with minimal disruption to my business. So, I > downloaded the .iso images from FreeBSD, Suse, and Fedora. I initially > favored FreeBSD, since it seemed to have the closest lineage to "pure" Unix, > and that was important to me, but after many, many attempts to install both > the OS and Gnome desktop environment, I threw up my hands. I'm confused. What compelled you to torture yourself, _then_ complain about it to a list that's sole purpose in existing is to help prevent you from torturing yourself? If you had posted many questions and got no answers, I could understand throwing up your hands. As it stands, you might want to use those hands to smack yourself for making your life more difficult than it needs to be. If you have problems, ask on the list at the time the problem occurs. Complaining after the fact (as you're doing) accomplishes nothing. While I can't speak for the project "officially", I would wager to say: 1) We know our installation is not as pretty and easy as others, and 2) We don't care. We are a community. We're not Microsoft. We're not interested in driving users away by saying "here's everything you need, don't bother us again." Our limited resources are focused on developing the really important parts of the system. While few would complain if the install process were made easier, nobody has the time to work on it. Become part of the community and ask questions when you have trouble. Find a local user's group. But please, please don't complain about the OS not working right when you use it wrong. The FreeBSD community is an integral part of the OS. Not making use of the FreeBSD community and then complaining that the OS is difficult to use would be like not using a mouse then complaining that MS Windows is hard to use. -- Bill Moran Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. Benjamin Franklin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 09:45:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92FC816A407 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:45:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LoN_Kamikaze@gmx.de) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 99F0543D45 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:45:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from LoN_Kamikaze@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 11 Sep 2006 09:45:34 -0000 Received: from p54A7FC43.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.0.12]) [84.167.252.67] by mail.gmx.net (mp043) with SMTP; 11 Sep 2006 11:45:34 +0200 X-Authenticated: #5465401 Message-ID: <4505303A.8020405@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:45:30 +0200 From: "[LoN]Kamikaze" Organization: Lords of Nightmare User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060729) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: how to get one OBJDIR per kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:45:37 -0000 I have several systems which all use the same /usr/obj over NFS. In the make.conf of those systems WRKDIRPREFIX is set to /usr/obj/${HOST}, which keeps machines from messing with each other while they build ports. Those machines have their own kernel configurations, which reside in /root/kernels/ and are linked from /usr/src/sys/ARCH/conf . I also have the following in my make.conf . # Load specific configuration for the kernel. .if exists(/root/kernels/${KERNCONF}.mk) .include "/root/kernels/${KERNCONF}.mk" .endif This way I can have settings for a different world per kernel as well. I.e. with NO_PROFILE set for kernels without debugging. The trouble is that different kernels still clash in the same OBJDIR. I would like to have something like MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj/${KERNCONF} , the trouble being that it cannot be set in make.conf . Is there a way around this restriction? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 10:05:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB0C16A4F0 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:05:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: from web34406.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web34406.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.155]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7560A43D9D for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:05:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 95472 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Sep 2006 10:04:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4xTtt3MBRl3K0cleA72/AGk6hoIuOCxvK0rDm0zmp9Xze7BJxib5g8OrJLW/Hudy/OypmwuTV8mMRQrTYWPwpAgRb6x8TEyv18wRw2XgGtV8QDY+0RhGJFt1yeZUTUYdVFWXYuJw2DW5tLk1Jl3qhx8ANVjPft2TBYLU5da9Hsc= ; Message-ID: <20060911100458.95470.qmail@web34406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.189.184.224] by web34406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:04:58 PDT Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:04:58 -0700 (PDT) From: White Hat To: FreeBSD Users Questions In-Reply-To: <45052CC2.1040509@dial.pipex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Making startup order static X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:05:54 -0000 --- Alex Zbyslaw wrote: [...] > I believe 6.1 uses rcorder for scripts from > /usr/local/etc/rc.d, in > which case you might be able to create local patches > in the relevant > ports which added appropriate e.g. > > # BEFORE: > # PROVIDES: > # REQUIRE: > > lines to force the order you want. This assumes > that they do not use > .sh suffixed scripts and that you use cvsup rather > than portsnap, which > I believe would trash your local patches. I do employ portsnap, so that would probably not be a viable solution. I am presently looking into implementing one that was suggested by a recent poster. I would have thought that there would have existed a simpler method to control on a permanent basis the loading of programs. I guess not. -- White Hat pigskin_referee@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 10:14:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C09F16A412; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:14:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mlh@ispinfo.fr) Received: from viviane.ispinfo.fr (viviane.ispinfo.fr [81.255.64.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 977AD43D45; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:14:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mlh@ispinfo.fr) Received: from srvnet.acces-industrie.com (smtp0.ispinfo.fr [81.255.64.47]) by viviane.ispinfo.fr (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8BAE5lj075055; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:14:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mlh@ispinfo.fr) Received: from pm2.awape.fr (pm2.awape.fr [81.255.64.42]) by srvnet.acces-industrie.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id k8BAE4069447; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:14:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mlh@ispinfo.fr) Received: from smtpe.ispinfo.fr (smtpe.ispinfo.fr [81.255.64.52]) by pm2.awape.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k8BA93oT039431; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:09:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mlh@ispinfo.fr) Received: from [192.168.0.82] ([192.168.0.82]) by smtpe.ispinfo.fr (8.12.8p1/8.12.3) with ESMTP id k8BAE2QT053406; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:14:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mlh@ispinfo.fr) Message-ID: <450536E9.2010106@ispinfo.fr> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:14:01 +0200 From: Administrators User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-net@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: NAT+IPSEC toubles X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:14:08 -0000 Hi, I'm building VPN connected to CISCO device. I NEED to translate my LAN adress to a given adress. The VPN work well when I try doing ifconfig em0 alias _given_@_ ping -S _given_@_ dest_@ but I didn't manage to translate LAN adresse AND having VPN used. I can pass throug VPN using actual adress but the CISCO endpoint drop it or I translate, but packets didn't go in the VPN. Any idea ? Using 4.9-RELEASE-p4, ipf and ipnat Hubert Adgié. Administrateur Système. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 10:31:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37EDC16A407 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:31:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 506F443D76 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:31:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so1595216wxd for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:31:21 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=GvCKXxd68OtQMyUBUN6/ZGMkckIw8c8TMe/zeEAqio5ssKST3wPHLfP9Vq0GMeIn6XomiRQWGiaVqFwpNH73TCt5HrmoKM5JatCWSHjEfCOJN2u18P7hh3p/b5pGwT4YDNF/ABuRKmDyr3ySa9p94hsCA9W8FHAGWO7IHuN8xu4= Received: by 10.90.113.20 with SMTP id l20mr1438497agc; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:29:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.98.12 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8a0028260609110329y643d57eah25d5a312cf3fb04e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:29:36 +0100 From: "Jeff Rollin" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20060911053240.30d8117d.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <000001c6d520$292f6700$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> <20060911053240.30d8117d.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:31:23 -0000 On 11/09/06, Bill Moran wrote: > > Bob Walker wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I have always wanted to better understand Unix, and so I finally made > the > > decision to switch some of my office PCs over to either a Unix or Linux > > system. With office suites like OpenOffice, I felt that I would be able > to > > transition away from Windows with minimal disruption to my business. So, > I > > downloaded the .iso images from FreeBSD, Suse, and Fedora. I initially > > favored FreeBSD, since it seemed to have the closest lineage to "pure" > Unix, > > and that was important to me, but after many, many attempts to install > both > > the OS and Gnome desktop environment, I threw up my hands. > > I'm confused. What compelled you to torture yourself, _then_ complain > about it to a list that's sole purpose in existing is to help prevent > you from torturing yourself? > > If you had posted many questions and got no answers, I could understand > throwing up your hands. As it stands, you might want to use those hands > to smack yourself for making your life more difficult than it needs to > be. > > If you have problems, ask on the list at the time the problem occurs. > Complaining after the fact (as you're doing) accomplishes nothing. > > While I can't speak for the project "officially", I would wager to say: > 1) We know our installation is not as pretty and easy as others, and > 2) We don't care. > > We are a community. We're not Microsoft. We're not interested in > driving users away by saying "here's everything you need, don't bother > us again." Our limited resources are focused on developing the really > important parts of the system. While few would complain if the > install process were made easier, nobody has the time to work on it. > Become part of the community and ask questions when you have trouble. > Find a local user's group. But please, please don't complain about the > OS not working right when you use it wrong. The FreeBSD community is > an integral part of the OS. Not making use of the FreeBSD community > and then complaining that the OS is difficult to use would be like not > using a mouse then complaining that MS Windows is hard to use. > > -- > Bill Moran Well said, Sir. Jeff Rollin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 10:40:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D13716A4A0 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:40:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LoN_Kamikaze@gmx.de) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9828943D58 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:40:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from LoN_Kamikaze@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 11 Sep 2006 10:40:24 -0000 Received: from p54A7FC43.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.0.12]) [84.167.252.67] by mail.gmx.net (mp023) with SMTP; 11 Sep 2006 12:40:24 +0200 X-Authenticated: #5465401 Message-ID: <45053D14.7090705@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:40:20 +0200 From: "[LoN]Kamikaze" Organization: Lords of Nightmare User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060729) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4505303A.8020405@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4505303A.8020405@gmx.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: how to get one OBJDIR per kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:40:26 -0000 [LoN]Kamikaze wrote: > ... The trouble is > that different kernels still clash in the same OBJDIR. I would like to > have something like MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj/${KERNCONF} , the trouble > being that it cannot be set in make.conf . > Is there a way around this restriction? > Just for the record I found a solution. My first test indicates that it works fine, that makes me wonder why the restriction is there. .if !make(dummy) MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX= ${WRKDIRPREFIX}/${KERNCONF} .endif From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 10:52:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC96B16A403 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:52:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from zeus.dfwlp.com (zeus.dfwlp.com [208.11.134.127]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872A243D49 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:52:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from athena.dfwlp.com (athena.dfwlp.com [192.168.125.83]) (authenticated bits=0) by zeus.dfwlp.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8BAq8Tt007152 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 05:52:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) From: Jonathan Horne To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 05:52:07 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <000001c6d520$292f6700$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> <20060911053240.30d8117d.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> <8a0028260609110329y643d57eah25d5a312cf3fb04e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8a0028260609110329y643d57eah25d5a312cf3fb04e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609110552.08106.freebsd@dfwlp.com> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on zeus.dfwlp.com Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:52:13 -0000 On Monday 11 September 2006 05:29, Jeff Rollin wrote: > On 11/09/06, Bill Moran wrote: > > Bob Walker wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I have always wanted to better understand Unix, and so I finally made > > > > the > > > > > decision to switch some of my office PCs over to either a Unix or Linux > > > system. With office suites like OpenOffice, I felt that I would be able > > > > to > > > > > transition away from Windows with minimal disruption to my business. > > > So, > > > > I > > > > > downloaded the .iso images from FreeBSD, Suse, and Fedora. I initially > > > favored FreeBSD, since it seemed to have the closest lineage to "pure" > > > > Unix, > > > > > and that was important to me, but after many, many attempts to install > > > > both > > > > > the OS and Gnome desktop environment, I threw up my hands. > > > > I'm confused. What compelled you to torture yourself, _then_ complain > > about it to a list that's sole purpose in existing is to help prevent > > you from torturing yourself? > > > > If you had posted many questions and got no answers, I could understand > > throwing up your hands. As it stands, you might want to use those hands > > to smack yourself for making your life more difficult than it needs to > > be. > > > > If you have problems, ask on the list at the time the problem occurs. > > Complaining after the fact (as you're doing) accomplishes nothing. > > > > While I can't speak for the project "officially", I would wager to say: > > 1) We know our installation is not as pretty and easy as others, and > > 2) We don't care. > > > > We are a community. We're not Microsoft. We're not interested in > > driving users away by saying "here's everything you need, don't bother > > us again." Our limited resources are focused on developing the really > > important parts of the system. While few would complain if the > > install process were made easier, nobody has the time to work on it. > > Become part of the community and ask questions when you have trouble. > > Find a local user's group. But please, please don't complain about the > > OS not working right when you use it wrong. The FreeBSD community is > > an integral part of the OS. Not making use of the FreeBSD community > > and then complaining that the OS is difficult to use would be like not > > using a mouse then complaining that MS Windows is hard to use. > > > > -- > > Bill Moran > > Well said, Sir. > truly. indeed it is said, that the fastest way to get the highest quantity of help, is to make a post about how horrible an operating system is, that you spent hours and hours and got nothing done, and that you have already decided that you never want to see [insert OS here] again. myself, as an admin of such a support forum (the unfortunatly now defunct linuxiso.org), i long ago learned to ignore the the ones that "we have already lost", and keep my eyes open for the many more that will (usually with minutes) replace them, who are actually there to learn. cheers, jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 11:18:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C2A316A412 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:18:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from spencer@io.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C91143D5F for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:18:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from spencer@io.com) Received: from fnord.io.com (spencer@fnord.io.com [209.198.128.89]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k8BBId71044526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 11 Sep 2006 06:18:39 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from spencer@io.com) Received: (from spencer@localhost) by fnord.io.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k8BBIdGt046938; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 06:18:39 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from spencer) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 06:18:39 -0500 From: Spencer PriceNash To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060911111839.GA46328@io.com> References: <200608251822.42336.yuanjue02@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200608251822.42336.yuanjue02@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com Cc: "Yuan, Jue" Subject: kernel version changes release version. (was Re: How to change kernel version tag?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:18:42 -0000 On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 06:22:42PM +0800, Yuan, Jue wrote: > Hi all. > > Could I change the kernel version tag manually? say, I have a kernel which is > 7.0-CUREENT, but for some reasons I wanna it be something like 6.1-RELEASE, > while the kernel itself does't change from 7.0-CURRENT to 6.1-RELEASE. All I > want is the change of tag. For example, if this works, then when I > type "uname -a" in console, I would get "6.1-RELEASE ..." instead > of "7.0-CURRENT ...". > > I guess some config files in src/sys/ could take care of this. But I cannot > find it out. Anybody knows how to get this job done? > > Any ideas are really appreciated. :-) That seems an odd thing to do, but as it turns out, I somehow managed to do it. On Aug22, my old box had 5.3-RELEASE with a custom kernel. Here's something from a script that does backups every night, with the date as YYYYMMDDHHMMSS starting every line (hostname changed to avoid embarassment): 20060722234517:FreeBSD oldbox 5.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE #0: Sat Nov 27 01:53:23 CST 2004 root@oldbox:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SPENCER1 i386 On Aug23 I upgraded to 5.4 (tried 6.1, but the old box hung repeatedly after any fsck): 20060723234514:FreeBSD oldbox 5.4-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE #0: Sun May 8 10:21:06 UTC 2005 root@harlow.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 I installed a custom kernel on Aug 29. The release version changed. Here's what the old box says it is now: 20060729234515:FreeBSD oldbox 5.3-RELEASE-p31 FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p31 #0: Sat Jul 29 11:33:15 CDT 2006 root@oldbox:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/kernel.2006072910 i386 I have no idea what I did to cause the change. Anyone have any idea what happened? I'm not so sure this is a great thing. It hasn't seemed to bother anything. cvsup/portupgrade didn't seem to mind. Neither did portsnap/portmanager. Haven't tried booting with the previous kernel to see what happens, as the box needs to stay up for a while. -- Spencer PriceNash spencer@io.com many other addresses http://www.io.com/~spencer many other sites From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 12:09:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5016716A407 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:09:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from igorr@speechpro.com) Received: from speechpro.ru (speech-tech-2.ip.PeterStar.net [81.3.190.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7523743D7F for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:08:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from igorr@speechpro.com) Received: from [192.168.2.26] (helo=sysadm.stc) by s1.stc with esmtp (Exim 4.53 (FreeBSD)) id 1GMkat-000MIj-8V for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:08:55 +0400 Received: from localhost.stc ([127.0.0.1] helo=sysadm.stc) by sysadm.stc with esmtp (Exim 4.62 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GMkb4-00077G-Dc for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:09:06 +0400 Received: (from igorr@localhost) by sysadm.stc (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k8BC95wq027357 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:09:05 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from igorr) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:09:05 +0400 From: Igor Robul To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060911120905.GA25348@sysadm.stc> References: <20060904210044.80717.qmail@web60113.mail.yahoo.com> <44FCDBBE.8080309@computer.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <44FCDBBE.8080309@computer.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 X-Archived: Yes Subject: Re: requesting advice on freebsd as vmware guest X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:09:07 -0000 On Mon, Sep 04, 2006 at 09:06:54PM -0500, Eric Schuele wrote: > On 09/04/2006 16:00, Peter wrote: > >Hi, > >I have XP (3 GHz Pentium and 1.5 MB RAM) running at work and would like > >to have access to a FBSD system within it. > > Have you considered "Virtual PC" from MS? I believe its free. As VMware server From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 12:19:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 597EE16A403 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:19:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from igorr@speechpro.com) Received: from speechpro.ru (speech-tech-2.ip.PeterStar.net [81.3.190.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD2BE43D6E for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:19:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from igorr@speechpro.com) Received: from [192.168.2.26] (helo=sysadm.stc) by s1.stc with esmtp (Exim 4.53 (FreeBSD)) id 1GMklD-000NoB-Cl for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:19:35 +0400 Received: from localhost.stc ([127.0.0.1] helo=sysadm.stc) by sysadm.stc with esmtp (Exim 4.62 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GMklO-00078C-Ni for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:19:46 +0400 Received: (from igorr@localhost) by sysadm.stc (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k8BCJkr7027415 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:19:46 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from igorr) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:19:46 +0400 From: Igor Robul To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060911121946.GB25348@sysadm.stc> References: <1278956820.20060905152035@rez.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1278956820.20060905152035@rez.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 X-Archived: Yes Subject: Re: mod_ntln for apache2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:19:41 -0000 On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 03:20:35PM +0600, Клопотнюк Михаил Сергеевич wrote: > > I have FreeBSD 5.4 and Apache2 (Apache2-2.0.53_1). > I need compile module mod_ntlm for apache. Compiling stops with this > errors: > # make install > ===> Building for mod_ntlm-0.4 You need mod_ntlm2 It is not in ports, but I have successfully builded it from source. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 12:28:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C4116A403 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:28:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amarendra.godbole@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF6F843D58 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:28:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from amarendra.godbole@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so2005914pye for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 05:27:27 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=QJgKwuePaD3UKcrtjwbLaSSp8IHwY10/ErPaYVgWthu9VPxSnLoRi+EXplZq5V/MoID3rkIAb3VPIv5iLC9P6UC60zz8nCMLi+ttU0/Qt0C0ZpyYSGoT1nsSI7wuejUwYeWiEBYCeUxY7nSRIjD3XzGUU0YFUcM/MYylm7aBLVo= Received: by 10.35.39.13 with SMTP id r13mr8766424pyj; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 05:27:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.108.6 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 05:27:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <294439d20609110527m2093cde8r4a93e391826f2b17@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:57:26 +0530 From: "Amarendra Godbole" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Sequence of execution of getopt() and usage()... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:28:01 -0000 Hi, This is a general FreeBSD source related question, and I am posting it here, as it did not fit in any other FreeBSD lists... While browsing through sources for different userland utilities (cat, chmod, and so on), I noticed that in main(), first getopt() is called in a while loop, and then the check for the number of arguments passed is done. Something like this (from chmod.c): int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { ... while ((ch = getopt(argc, argv, "HLPRXfghorstuvwx")) != -1) ... if (argc < 2) usage(); ... } Can't we check for the number of arguments *before* calling getopt()? Something like: int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { ... if (argc < 2) usage(); ... while ((ch = getopt(argc, argv, "HLPRXfghorstuvwx")) != -1) ... } This might make it a bit more efficient, though I don't have numbers' to prove this. I observe a similar pattern in other utilities too - which might mean that there was a sound reason as to why it was done this way. Can someone be kind enough to explain this? Thanks in advance! Best, Amarendra From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 12:43:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE5CC16A47C for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:43:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nullpt@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 787CB43D45 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:43:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nullpt@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so1356458uge for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 05:43:06 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=hGKXp+82+H/SH+9u7F8Ifk9YNkV/P38TfZ4eCMQ7/FyBv/0xvr132aKaNDPp6z69qTVn0H6VaeQ4nbyC56N2l+jGvT1creuKis6Q90WlGYY17rXIsE0Xq2P3Tc8KG3bEvMT0txdLv4lN6WcU7Esr5M0IA+CSJW/2IbOxm/eFfUU= Received: by 10.67.97.18 with SMTP id z18mr2739325ugl; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 05:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.237.14 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 05:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <755cb9fc0609110543p141d6422r34d953d74405a27a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 13:43:05 +0100 From: "Alexandre Vieira" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20060911113429.7e521d20@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4501DE34.25561.1AFD75D6@dan.langille.org> <45022E30.4020905@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20060909001340.G981@ganymede.hub.org> <45027123.8000004@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20060909045857.C981@ganymede.hub.org> <4502760C.70102@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20060909051603.S981@ganymede.hub.org> <20060911113429.7e521d20@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:43:08 -0000 That makes me kind angry too but many other failed to show the "big corps" what the bsd* OSs worth. Macromedia know about freebsd, the linux dev coordinator posts about freebsd in his product blog but they don't care.. they know that having a linux driver is enough to have a good reputation in the OSS world. There is a 2.5Ksignatures petition regarding flash, there are 2.5M hits with "freebsd macromedia" search string in google, they have like hundres of *bsd messages in the wish forms... what else can be shown to proove that we exist? Nothing... they just don't care.. unless the whole OSS comunity speaks.. there isn't much we can do. Anyway, I've added some boxes to the bsdstats project. Cheers On 9/11/06, Norberto Meijome wrote: > > On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 05:34:48 -0300 (ADT) > "Marc G. Fournier" wrote: > > > For those that are accusing bsdstats of being a "pissing match" ... I'm > > personally tired of watching Linux get all the support when, IMHO, the > > *BSDs are the better system ... the point of bsdstats is to show ppl > that > > do not support the *BSDs (native Flash plugin anyone?) that their is a > > market they are missing out on ... > > well, if you put it like that, it makes more. > > ATI-X drivers is something that definitely interest me ;) > > _________________________ > {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome > > "Ninety percent of the time things turn out worse than you thought they > would. > The other ten percent of the time you had no right to expect that much." > Augustine > > I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when > wet. > Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have > been > Warned. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Alexandre Vieira - nullpt@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 12:46:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 223D816A415 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:46:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rww@safllc.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 371AC43D5C for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:46:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rww@safllc.com) Received: from DELL8400 (ool-182cb6b4.dyn.optonline.net [24.44.182.180]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <0J5F00K3YI4YIQ30@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:46:13 -0400 From: Bob Walker In-reply-to: <20060911053240.30d8117d.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-id: <004001c6d5a0$43ab6ef0$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcbVmgOtqzSCQVXDQlOJH5mfX72KhAABdzyA Cc: Subject: Newbie Experience #2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:46:16 -0000 Thanks to *all* who responded to my whining -- you've been great, and I am going to give FreeBSD another try. Apologies to all if I sounded like a twit... I was just eager to try something new as I have had it with MS products. Regards, Bob Walker Surveys & Forecasts, LLC 2323 North Street Fairfield, CT 06824-1738 T +1.203.255.0505 F +1.203.549.0635 M +1.203.685.8860 www.safllc.com .................................................................... NOTICE: The information in this message is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and contains confidential and privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this email in error, immediately contact the sender and destroy all copies of this email and all other documents included with it. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 12:52:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C0F16A40F for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:52:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com) Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com (out2.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ED7C43D5D for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:52:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com) Received: from frontend3.internal (frontend3.internal [10.202.2.152]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44256DA56DD for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat2.internal ([10.202.2.161]) by frontend3.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:52:10 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: kp195uwg/MgczcuZkxaXpU22/MfXN90F2mnVlb5e5tyn 1157979129 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D7842099 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:52:09 -0400 (EDT) From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 13:51:56 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <20060910181136.57823.qmail@web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060910181136.57823.qmail@web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609111351.58195.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> Subject: Re: Making startup order static X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:52:17 -0000 On Sunday 10 September 2006 19:11, White Hat wrote: > FreeBSD 6.1 > > I need to keep several programs starting in a > particular order. ... > The problem is that every time I update these programs > the rc.d startup file is modified which destroys the > changes I have made. I've got around this problem in the past by essentially making a new startup file, so foo_enable=YES becomes myfoo_enable=YES, foo.sh becomes myfoo.sh etc. This works reasonably well, because not much actually references local startup files, in the startup sequence. For anything complicated I would write a script to automate patching of the startup scripts. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 13:35:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF05B16A403 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 13:35:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuanjue02@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 645CF43D49 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 13:35:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from yuanjue02@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so1648441wxd for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 06:35:37 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tPOpKY5IAIbmv11MqgiKaTVuALC6Rk3EcSuT9E7IV/UGDSmXDeh2GPYsZVCMrqkxTGdWp7y30nkcMtlGuGx25J8TwbZG40tNP1MWAT+lorqc+RmA6Uirtp8h9rtLSZTS0KhLLc7+Ix92pUojApo0eQkKvi8k4zU5kDSUqYOQLX0= Received: by 10.90.49.19 with SMTP id w19mr1538594agw; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 06:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.83.20 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 06:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51584f840609110633n7fc7823bh86dd0cd02a813677@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:33:57 +0800 From: "Yuan, Jue" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20060911111839.GA46328@io.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200608251822.42336.yuanjue02@gmail.com> <20060911111839.GA46328@io.com> Cc: spencer@io.com Subject: Re: kernel version changes release version. (was Re: How to change kernel version tag?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 13:35:39 -0000 /sys/conf/newvers.sh This file will determine the kernel version tag showed at booting time. Don't know if it has anything to do with your problem. HTH :-) On 9/11/06, Spencer PriceNash wrote: > On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 06:22:42PM +0800, Yuan, Jue wrote: > > > Hi all. > > > > Could I change the kernel version tag manually? say, I have a kernel which is > > 7.0-CUREENT, but for some reasons I wanna it be something like 6.1-RELEASE, > > while the kernel itself does't change from 7.0-CURRENT to 6.1-RELEASE. All I > > want is the change of tag. For example, if this works, then when I > > type "uname -a" in console, I would get "6.1-RELEASE ..." instead > > of "7.0-CURRENT ...". > > > > I guess some config files in src/sys/ could take care of this. But I cannot > > find it out. Anybody knows how to get this job done? > > > > Any ideas are really appreciated. :-) > > That seems an odd thing to do, but as it turns out, I somehow managed > to do it. > > On Aug22, my old box had 5.3-RELEASE with a custom kernel. Here's > something from a script that does backups every night, with the > date as YYYYMMDDHHMMSS starting every line (hostname changed to > avoid embarassment): > > 20060722234517:FreeBSD oldbox 5.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE #0: Sat Nov 27 01:53:23 CST 2004 root@oldbox:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SPENCER1 i386 > > On Aug23 I upgraded to 5.4 (tried 6.1, but the old box hung repeatedly > after any fsck): > > 20060723234514:FreeBSD oldbox 5.4-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE #0: Sun May 8 10:21:06 UTC 2005 root@harlow.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 > > I installed a custom kernel on Aug 29. The release version changed. > Here's what the old box says it is now: > > 20060729234515:FreeBSD oldbox 5.3-RELEASE-p31 FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p31 #0: Sat Jul 29 11:33:15 CDT 2006 root@oldbox:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/kernel.2006072910 i386 > > I have no idea what I did to cause the change. > > Anyone have any idea what happened? I'm not so sure this is a great > thing. It hasn't seemed to bother anything. cvsup/portupgrade > didn't seem to mind. Neither did portsnap/portmanager. > > Haven't tried booting with the previous kernel to see what happens, > as the box needs to stay up for a while. -- Best Regards Yuan, Jue @ http://www.yuanjue.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 13:56:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D8AA16A407 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 13:56:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from judmarc@fastmail.fm) Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com (out2.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FE8F43D49 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 13:56:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from judmarc@fastmail.fm) Received: from frontend3.internal (frontend3.internal [10.202.2.152]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96FA9DA5AF6; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web1.internal ([10.202.2.210]) by frontend3.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:56:13 -0400 Received: by web1.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id 6562E46B7; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1157982973.13127.270627049@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: 1mA9v+A+jB4VRmWoJ3aMQMrhL9rHzc96Tng5qY8/accT 1157982973 From: "Jud" To: "Bob Walker" , "freebsd-questions" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface References: <004001c6d5a0$43ab6ef0$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> In-Reply-To: <004001c6d5a0$43ab6ef0$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:56:13 -0400 Cc: Subject: Re: Newbie Experience #2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 13:56:14 -0000 On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:46:13 -0400, "Bob Walker" said: > Thanks to *all* who responded to my whining -- you've been great, and I > am > going to give FreeBSD another try. Apologies to all if I sounded like a > twit... I was just eager to try something new as I have had it with MS > products. Regards, > > Bob Walker > Surveys & Forecasts, LLC > 2323 North Street > Fairfield, CT 06824-1738 > T +1.203.255.0505 > F +1.203.549.0635 > M +1.203.685.8860 > www.safllc.com Heh, no, you didn't sound like a twit. You're quite correct - everyone who uses FreeBSD knows that a "better" (meaning, at least to many folks, more simplified and graphical) installer would be nice. But as someone said in response to your original post, the people who currently contribute most heavily to the project are more interested in other areas. Some information about FreeBSD and this mailing list (at least IMHO - I can't and don't speak for the project, nor am I the most informed person on this list by a long shot): - It's a volunteer project. The whole OS and all the little pieces are built (with few exceptions) for love, not money, by people who earn a living working on something else. Given that, the people who do build the OS have put together something of remarkable quality over an extended period. One reason for the state of the installer is that it is considered "good enough," and people with limited time would rather spend that time making sure the system almost never breaks, particularly not in mission-critical situations. - World domination is much less on the FreeBSD Project's radar screen than it is for other OSs with monetary (see Microsoft, Apple, etc.) or "religious" (see Linux, Free Software Foundation, GPL, Richard Stillman, etc.) motivations. So there are only 3 ways to get FreeBSD folks working on a problem that interests you: (1) pay them; (2) learn about programming and do it yourself (at a high enough standard to have your code accepted for inclusion in the OS); or (3) learn enough to be able to show at least one person with relevant programming expertise what an interesting problem this really is. - Many of us remember our own newbie experiences, and if you demonstrate some interest and a willingness to learn, there are plenty of folks on this list who can and will meet you more than halfway. - There's a fair amount of UNIX/*BSD blood flowing in OS X's innards, so if the do-it-yourself aspect gets tiring and you don't mind spending money on an OS, you may want to look at Macs. Interoperability with Windows office apps might be a bit easier to attain going that road. Jud -- "I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day." - Douglas Adams From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 14:20:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A78216A407 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:20:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@orchid.homeunix.org) Received: from orchid.homeunix.org (atx228.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl [83.27.5.228]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3F1343D4C for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:20:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@orchid.homeunix.org) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (blackacidevil.orchid.homeunix.org [192.168.1.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by orchid.homeunix.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8BEKcO7001960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:20:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@orchid.homeunix.org) Message-ID: <450570AA.6050505@orchid.homeunix.org> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:20:26 +0200 From: Karol Kwiatkowski User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060731) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.0 OpenPGP: id=06E09309; url=http://www.orchid.homeunix.org/carlos/gpg/0x06E09309.asc Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig4C11F8F96E53391EB62227E7" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.4/1856/Mon Sep 11 15:51:46 2006 on orchid.homeunix.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Putting a command/script as a user's shell X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@orchid.homeunix.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:20:48 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig4C11F8F96E53391EB62227E7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good day everyone, I'm trying to make it possible to restart (as in 'shutdown -r now') a FreeBSD based router from LAN network as easy as possible so it can be used by non-technical people. I'm sure some will ask why would I need that - it's an USB modem connecting to ADSL line that locks up sometimes and all my attempts to make it restart itself have failed. I came up with this idea: - add another user to the system, let it be 'restart' - add 'restart' to group operator - let 'restart' to login through SSH from LAN with a key (passwords forbidden) - put a restart command as it's shell (so it automagically restarts the router) Does that sound reasonably? Security is not an issue, it's "secure enough" for me. OK, now for technical question. I realise I cannot put arguments to the command in the "shell area" in passwd file, so I wrote a short script= : $ cat /home/restart/restart.sh #!/bin/sh /sbin/shutdown -r now $ ls -l /home/restart/restart.sh -rwx------ 1 restart restart 33 Sep 11 15:24 put that as restart's user shell: # grep restart /etc/master.passwd restart:*:1017:1017::0:0:restart:/home/restart:/home/restart/restart.sh and tried locally but it's not working: # su - restart su: /home/restart/restart.sh: Permission denied I'm not sure where 'Permission denied' come from. Setup looks to be OK, here's what I get with /usr/bin/id as a shell: # su - restart uid=3D1017(restart) gid=3D1017(restart) groups=3D1017(restart), 5(operato= r) I'm sure I'm missing something here. Anyone have some pointers? Cheers, Karol --=20 Karol Kwiatkowski OpenPGP: http://www.orchid.homeunix.org/carlos/gpg/0x06E09309.asc --------------enig4C11F8F96E53391EB62227E7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFBXC1ezeoPAwGIYsRCDSJAJ9DH1VLivC3bYBBzVyxTQyC0l2fhACeI7LE gJX0AieMn+feI+/a8aHgLsk= =2LhJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig4C11F8F96E53391EB62227E7-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 14:26:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E9DC16A732 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:26:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonathan@hst.org.za) Received: from sirian.hst.org.za (sirian.hst.org.za [209.203.2.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61E1143D45 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:26:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jonathan@hst.org.za) Received: from localhost (localhost.hst.org.za [127.0.0.1]) by sirian.hst.org.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2903A31C9B2 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:25:42 +0200 (SAST) Received: from sirian.hst.org.za ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (sirian.hst.org.za [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 69807-08 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:25:42 +0200 (SAST) Received: by sirian.hst.org.za (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED67F31C982; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:25:41 +0200 (SAST) Received: from sysadmin.int.dbn.hst.org.za (sysadmin.int.dbn.hst.org.za [10.1.1.20]) by sirian.hst.org.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C4CA31C9DD for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:25:41 +0200 (SAST) From: Jonathan McKeown Organization: Health Systems Trust To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:26:33 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <004001c6d5a0$43ab6ef0$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> <1157982973.13127.270627049@webmail.messagingengine.com> In-Reply-To: <1157982973.13127.270627049@webmail.messagingengine.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609111626.33353.jonathan@hst.org.za> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.61 (1.212.2.1-2003-12-09-exp) on sirian.hst.org.za X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=7.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.61 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hst.org.za Subject: FreeBSD installer (was Re: Newbie Experience #2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:26:37 -0000 On Monday 11 September 2006 15:56, Jud wrote: > everyone who uses FreeBSD knows that a "better" (meaning, > at least to many folks, more simplified and graphical) > installer would be nice Perhaps as an option. The problem is that you need to install a graphical environment to run a graphical installer. Simplicity means different things to different people, too. I set up new and replacement servers, using commodity hardware for cost reasons, for our various offices around South Africa. I used to have a KVM switch with a spare monitor and keyboard in my office for doing the installations, or if I was going elsewhere to install delivered hardware or update an existing box, we needed to arrange a spare screen and keyboard at the location. I now have a slightly-adjusted installation CD (I downloaded the disc 1 and 2 ISO images from Freebsd.org, unpacked disc 1 onto a hard drive and edited boot/loader.conf, adding the line console="comconsole" then made a new ISO and burned to a fresh CD labelled ``disc 1- serial''). Now the only time my servers get a screen/keyboard connected is to configure the BIOS when they are first unpacked. Otherwise the basic install is done from the serial boot CD with my laptop as a serial terminal, up to the point where I can ssh to the box and start customising, adding packages etc. From my point of view it doesn't get simpler than that. Jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 14:39:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D9616A412 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:39:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from backyard1454-bsd@yahoo.com) Received: from web83101.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web83101.mail.mud.yahoo.com [216.252.101.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B30143D45 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:39:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from backyard1454-bsd@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 93029 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Sep 2006 14:39:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RIU7bxaWfokFvn8drbzXtnohgpgiCP7wFANxui6zvZxZcZ8xRb4/OLY2tcANaIg0O+uqMGF5tRrEhU1xeQYeZApLxICYoc31ZyusOKPfG29x5sjkKNJrwWA81erq+ugX6pzwJqYgny6LH72Wsr3ZT1A/NOrN3hunfHINxqofl/E= ; Message-ID: <20060911143953.93027.qmail@web83101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.240.228.37] by web83101.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 07:39:53 PDT Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 07:39:53 -0700 (PDT) From: backyard To: freebsd@orchid.homeunix.org, FreeBSD Questions In-Reply-To: <450570AA.6050505@orchid.homeunix.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: Re: Putting a command/script as a user's shell X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: backyard1454-bsd@yahoo.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:39:54 -0000 --- Karol Kwiatkowski wrote: > Good day everyone, > > I'm trying to make it possible to restart (as in > 'shutdown -r now') a > FreeBSD based router from LAN network as easy as > possible so it can be > used by non-technical people. > > I'm sure some will ask why would I need that - it's > an USB modem > connecting to ADSL line that locks up sometimes and > all my attempts to > make it restart itself have failed. > > I came up with this idea: > > - add another user to the system, let it be > 'restart' > - add 'restart' to group operator > - let 'restart' to login through SSH from LAN with a > key (passwords > forbidden) > - put a restart command as it's shell (so it > automagically restarts > the router) > > Does that sound reasonably? Security is not an > issue, it's "secure > enough" for me. > > > OK, now for technical question. I realise I cannot > put arguments to > the command in the "shell area" in passwd file, so I > wrote a short script: > > $ cat /home/restart/restart.sh > #!/bin/sh > /sbin/shutdown -r now > $ ls -l /home/restart/restart.sh > -rwx------ 1 restart restart 33 Sep 11 15:24 > > > put that as restart's user shell: > > # grep restart /etc/master.passwd > restart:*:1017:1017::0:0:restart:/home/restart:/home/restart/restart.sh > > > and tried locally but it's not working: > > # su - restart > su: /home/restart/restart.sh: Permission denied > > > I'm not sure where 'Permission denied' come from. > Setup looks to be > OK, here's what I get with /usr/bin/id as a shell: > > # su - restart > uid=1017(restart) gid=1017(restart) > groups=1017(restart), 5(operator) > > > I'm sure I'm missing something here. Anyone have > some pointers? > > Cheers, > > Karol > > -- > Karol Kwiatkowski dot org> > OpenPGP: > http://www.orchid.homeunix.org/carlos/gpg/0x06E09309.asc > > make the shell script group executable and make it group operator maybe try making it owned by root. I think what is happening is it is running under the priveledges of restart not operator because operators groups cannot execute the command only the restart user can due to the priveledges. And when the restart.sh passes its group priveledges to the sript callout to shutdown it fails because shutdown can only run as operator. That would be my guess -brian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 14:49:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 142DD16A417 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:49:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319B643D72 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:49:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from isis.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.63]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GMn6R-0004Hs-JB for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:49:47 +0100 Received: from mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.184.33]) by isis.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GMn59-0002cB-Mj for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:48:23 +0100 Received: from mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost.men.bris.ac.uk [127.0.0.1]) by mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k8BElxr2000952 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:47:59 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from shterenl@localhost) by mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k8BElx05000951 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:47:59 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk: shterenl set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:47:59 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060911144758.GA844@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Spam-Score: -0.7 X-Spam-Level: / Subject: device vt causes boot freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:49:58 -0000 I installed a custom kernel with vt console driver enabled. I also enabled vt in /boot/device.hints. Now my boot process freezes just after the countdown finishes. The hard drive busy indicator is always on. If I disable vt and enable sc at the boot loader prompt (set hint.vt.0.disabled="1", unset hint.sc.0.disabled) then I can boot fine with sc. I did not encounter any problems during building or install. Am I missing something in the kernel configuration file? Am I using /boot/device.hints properly? Can I enable both sc and vt in device.hints? thanks anton The details: %uname -imprs FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE i386 i386 TRY %cat /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/TRY machine i386 cpu I686_CPU ident TRY # To statically compile in device wiring instead of /boot/device.hints #hints "GENERIC.hints" # Default places to look for devices. makeoptions DEBUG=-g # Build kernel with gdb(1) debug symbols #options SCHED_ULE # ULE scheduler options SCHED_4BSD # 4BSD scheduler options PREEMPTION # Enable kernel thread preemption options INET # InterNETworking options INET6 # IPv6 communications protocols options FFS # Berkeley Fast Filesystem options SOFTUPDATES # Enable FFS soft updates support options UFS_ACL # Support for access control lists options UFS_DIRHASH # Improve performance on big directories options MD_ROOT # MD is a potential root device options MSDOSFS # MSDOS Filesystem options CD9660 # ISO 9660 Filesystem options PROCFS # Process filesystem (requires PSEUDOFS) options PSEUDOFS # Pseudo-filesystem framework options GEOM_GPT # GUID Partition Tables. options COMPAT_43 # Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] options COMPAT_FREEBSD4 # Compatible with FreeBSD4 options COMPAT_FREEBSD5 # Compatible with FreeBSD5 options SCSI_DELAY=5000 # Delay (in ms) before probing SCSI options KTRACE # ktrace(1) support options SYSVSHM # SYSV-style shared memory options SYSVMSG # SYSV-style message queues options SYSVSEM # SYSV-style semaphores options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING # POSIX P1003_1B real-time extensions options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV # install a CDEV entry in /dev options AHC_REG_PRETTY_PRINT # Print register bitfields in debug # output. Adds ~128k to driver. options AHD_REG_PRETTY_PRINT # Print register bitfields in debug # output. Adds ~215k to driver. options ADAPTIVE_GIANT # Giant mutex is adaptive. device apic # I/O APIC # Bus support. device pci # Floppy drives device fdc # ATA and ATAPI devices device ata device atadisk # ATA disk drives device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives device atapifd # ATAPI floppy drives options ATA_STATIC_ID # Static device numbering # SCSI peripherals device scbus # SCSI bus (required for SCSI) #device ch # SCSI media changers device da # Direct Access (disks) #device cd # CD #device pass # Passthrough device (direct SCSI access) # atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse device atkbdc # AT keyboard controller device atkbd # AT keyboard device psm # PS/2 mouse device vga # VGA video card driver # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc # Enable this for the pcvt (VT220 compatible) console driver device vt options XSERVER # support for X server on a vt console options FAT_CURSOR # start with block cursor # Add suspend/resume support for the i8254. device pmtimer # PCCARD (PCMCIA) support # PCMCIA and cardbus bridge support device cbb # cardbus (yenta) bridge device pccard # PC Card (16-bit) bus device cardbus # CardBus (32-bit) bus # Serial (COM) ports device sio # 8250, 16[45]50 based serial ports # Parallel port device ppc device ppbus # Parallel port bus (required) device lpt # Printer device plip # TCP/IP over parallel device ppi # Parallel port interface device # PCI Ethernet NICs that use the common MII bus controller code. # NOTE: Be sure to keep the 'device miibus' line in order to use these NICs! device miibus # MII bus support device rl # RealTek 8129/8139 # Pseudo devices. device loop # Network loopback device random # Entropy device device ether # Ethernet support device sl # Kernel SLIP device ppp # Kernel PPP device tun # Packet tunnel. device pty # Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc) device md # Memory "disks" device gif # IPv6 and IPv4 tunneling device faith # IPv6-to-IPv4 relaying (translation) # The `bpf' device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. # Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this! # Note that 'bpf' is required for DHCP. device bpf # Berkeley packet filter # USB support device uhci # UHCI PCI->USB interface device ohci # OHCI PCI->USB interface device ehci # EHCI PCI->USB interface (USB 2.0) device usb # USB Bus (required) #device udbp # USB Double Bulk Pipe devices device ugen # Generic device umass # Disks/Mass storage - Requires scbus and da %cat /boot/device.hints hint.acpi.0.disabled="1" # hint.fdc.0.at="isa" hint.fdc.0.port="0x3F0" hint.fdc.0.irq="6" hint.fdc.0.drq="2" hint.fd.0.at="fdc0" hint.fd.0.drive="0" hint.fd.1.at="fdc0" hint.fd.1.drive="1" hint.ata.0.at="isa" hint.ata.0.port="0x1F0" hint.ata.0.irq="14" hint.ata.1.at="isa" hint.ata.1.port="0x170" hint.ata.1.irq="15" hint.atkbdc.0.at="isa" hint.atkbdc.0.port="0x060" hint.atkbd.0.at="atkbdc" hint.atkbd.0.irq="1" hint.psm.0.at="atkbdc" hint.psm.0.irq="12" hint.vga.0.at="isa" hint.sc.0.at="isa" hint.sc.0.flags="0x100" hint.vt.0.at="isa" # hint.sc.0.disabled="1" #hint.vt.0.disabled="1" # hint.apm.0.disabled="1" hint.apm.0.flags="0x20" hint.sio.0.at="isa" hint.sio.0.port="0x3F8" hint.sio.0.flags="0x10" hint.sio.0.irq="4" hint.sio.1.at="isa" hint.sio.1.port="0x2F8" hint.sio.1.irq="3" hint.sio.2.at="isa" hint.sio.2.disabled="1" hint.sio.2.port="0x3E8" hint.sio.2.irq="5" hint.sio.3.at="isa" hint.sio.3.disabled="1" hint.sio.3.port="0x2E8" hint.sio.3.irq="9" hint.ppc.0.at="isa" hint.ppc.0.irq="7" # # I also commented all disabled SCSI cards which are not even built into TRY # hint.adv.0.at="isa" # hint.adv.0.disabled="1" # hint.bt.0.at="isa" # hint.bt.0.disabled="1" # hint.aha.0.at="isa" # hint.aha.0.disabled="1" # hint.aic.0.at="isa" # hint.aic.0.disabled="1" # # I also commented all disabled network cards which are not even built into TRY # hint.ed.0.at="isa" # hint.ed.0.disabled="1" # hint.ed.0.port="0x280" # hint.ed.0.irq="10" # hint.ed.0.maddr="0xd8000" # hint.cs.0.at="isa" # hint.cs.0.disabled="1" # hint.cs.0.port="0x300" # hint.sn.0.at="isa" # hint.sn.0.disabled="1" # hint.sn.0.port="0x300" # hint.sn.0.irq="10" # hint.ie.0.at="isa" # hint.ie.0.disabled="1" # hint.ie.0.port="0x300" # hint.ie.0.irq="10" # hint.ie.0.maddr="0xd0000" # hint.fe.0.at="isa" # hint.fe.0.disabled="1" # hint.fe.0.port="0x300" # hint.lnc.0.at="isa" # hint.lnc.0.disabled="1" # hint.lnc.0.port="0x280" # hint.lnc.0.irq="10" # hint.lnc.0.drq="0" -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 14:52:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 534CE16A4E1 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:52:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from judmarc@fastmail.fm) Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com (out2.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F27E43D7C for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:52:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from judmarc@fastmail.fm) Received: from frontend3.internal (frontend3.internal [10.202.2.152]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9462DA567E; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web1.internal ([10.202.2.210]) by frontend3.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:52:23 -0400 Received: by web1.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id A473126F8; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1157986343.20359.270635157@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: giz5CbpGD/3x/Nxq6nRMcWYQ5jp8Pj3XUpsnDSk2riRY 1157986343 From: "Jud" To: "Jonathan McKeown" , "freebsd-questions" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface References: <004001c6d5a0$43ab6ef0$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> <1157982973.13127.270627049@webmail.messagingengine.com> <200609111626.33353.jonathan@hst.org.za> In-Reply-To: <200609111626.33353.jonathan@hst.org.za> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:52:23 -0400 Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD installer (was Re: Newbie Experience #2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:52:53 -0000 On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:26:33 +0200, "Jonathan McKeown" said: > On Monday 11 September 2006 15:56, Jud wrote: > > everyone who uses FreeBSD knows that a "better" (meaning, > > at least to many folks, more simplified and graphical) > > installer would be nice > > Perhaps as an option. The problem is that you need to install a graphical > environment to run a graphical installer. Simplicity means different > things > to different people, too. [snip] > Now the only time my servers get a screen/keyboard connected is to > configure > the BIOS when they are first unpacked. Otherwise the basic install is > done > from the serial boot CD with my laptop as a serial terminal, up to the > point > where I can ssh to the box and start customising, adding packages etc. > From > my point of view it doesn't get simpler than that. Yes, I meant "at least to many folks" literally - there are many people for whom a graphical installer would be overcomplication. I personally like the "The BSD Installer" ; it just happens to suit the way I install a system in that it makes available most of what I tweak and I don't use most of what it hides. I wish the Summer of Code project to adapt it for FreeBSD installation ( were more alive than it appears to be. Jud -- "I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day." - Douglas Adams From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 14:58:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF7A016A407 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:58:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [208.162.254.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C68C43DEB for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:57:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ACD1958A4 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:56:56 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f+GHNeWDnKc0 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:56:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f01:224:1::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 345779583E for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:56:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Kirk Strauser To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:56:42 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <450570AA.6050505@orchid.homeunix.org> In-Reply-To: <450570AA.6050505@orchid.homeunix.org> X-Face: &'; cS03F?rr_w2Qce.d2f7xmwXfcJWDs>}CkpDw.c]ZJJ_)i0Nx Subject: Re: Putting a command/script as a user's shell X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:58:17 -0000 --nextPart6429757.WcAX7cHnOU Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Monday 11 September 2006 09:20, Karol Kwiatkowski wrote: > Good day everyone, > > I'm trying to make it possible to restart (as in 'shutdown -r now') a > FreeBSD based router from LAN network as easy as possible so it can be > used by non-technical people. =46irst of all, it's easy enough to do this securely that you might as well= do=20 it. Install sudo, and use "visudo" to create a sudoers file with entries=20 like: User_Alias REBOOTERS =3D username1,username2,username3 REBOOTERS ALL =3D (root) NOPASSWD: /sbin/reboot Next, create a reboot script for them: # cat /usr/local/sbin/reboot.sh sudo /sbin/reboot =46inally, use OpenSSH's built-in options to run the script at login. From= =20 sshd(8): AUTHORIZED_KEYS FILE FORMAT [....] command=3D"command" Specifies that the command is executed whenever this key is us= ed for authentication. So, make each user's authorized_keys file look something like: ssh-rsa [long base64 string] username1@example.com=20 command=3D"/usr/local/sbin/reboot.sh" Alternatively, do all the above for one single account: your "restart" user= =2E =20 Use authorized_keys to limit which of your real users has access to reboot= =20 the machine, and use "ssh -l restart balkyrouter.example.com" to trigger it= =2E =20 You could even go so far as to add a clause to /etc/ssh/ssh_config (or=20 ~/.ssh/config for each individual user) like: Host rebootrouter Hostname balkyrouter.example.com User restart so that your users just run "ssh rebootrouter". So, to recap, when a user logs in, the reboot.sh script will be executed. = It=20 will use sudo to run the reboot command as root, without prompting the user= =20 to enter any password. It's easy, it works, and it doesn't require any=20 setuid trickery or special accounts or anything else. =2D-=20 Kirk Strauser --nextPart6429757.WcAX7cHnOU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBFBXky5sRg+Y0CpvERAgeaAKCKJ2L5EFaKXttXn2/h7jVeGPvSXQCgo6zS SYyDW6/xLVWMe9EF5vT3gfI= =ee7a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart6429757.WcAX7cHnOU-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 15:02:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE86F16A4F1 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:02:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: from sigma.octantis.com.au (ns2.octantis.com.au [207.44.189.124]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6106243D83 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:01:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: (qmail 355 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2006 01:01:24 +1000 Received: from 124-168-25-250.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO localhost) (124.168.25.250) by sigma.octantis.com.au with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 12 Sep 2006 01:01:23 +1000 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:01:20 +1000 From: Norberto Meijome To: Bill Moran Message-ID: <20060912010120.1aeb2c28@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20060911053240.30d8117d.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> References: <000001c6d520$292f6700$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> <20060911053240.30d8117d.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.4.0 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, Bob Walker Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:02:47 -0000 On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 05:32:40 -0400 Bill Moran wrote: > We are a community. We're not Microsoft. We're not interested in > driving users away by saying "here's everything you need, don't bother > us again." Our limited resources are focused on developing the really > important parts of the system. While few would complain if the > install process were made easier, nobody has the time to work on it. > Become part of the community and ask questions when you have trouble. > Find a local user's group. But please, please don't complain about the > OS not working right when you use it wrong. The FreeBSD community is > an integral part of the OS. Not making use of the FreeBSD community > and then complaining that the OS is difficult to use would be like not > using a mouse then complaining that MS Windows is hard to use. nicely put Bill :) I would add, spend some time each day reading the mailing lists and help where you can, and ask where you can't :) in light of that... i've read about at least 1 project to improve on our installer (SOC 2005) - is that already in place in Fbsd 6? (dont think so...seems pretty similar to the old one to me...) Any other related projects to improve the installer? I *KNOW* it isn't the most important part of the system, but every bit counts, and I think that having both a ncurses and a GUI (non-ncurses ;) )based installer would be quite nice and modern. And I'd be definitely happy to help where I can. PC-BSD has one, right? anyway...just looking for pointers atm... thanks everyone! _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome What you are afraid to do is a clear indicator of the next thing you need to do. I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 15:06:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F5F16A417 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:06:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: from sigma.octantis.com.au (ns2.octantis.com.au [207.44.189.124]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F8C943D77 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:06:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: (qmail 724 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2006 01:06:47 +1000 Received: from 124-168-25-250.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO localhost) (124.168.25.250) by sigma.octantis.com.au with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 12 Sep 2006 01:06:47 +1000 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:06:44 +1000 From: Norberto Meijome To: Jonathan McKeown Message-ID: <20060912010644.4547c1ad@localhost> In-Reply-To: <200609111626.33353.jonathan@hst.org.za> References: <004001c6d5a0$43ab6ef0$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> <1157982973.13127.270627049@webmail.messagingengine.com> <200609111626.33353.jonathan@hst.org.za> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.4.0 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD installer (was Re: Newbie Experience #2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:06:49 -0000 On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:26:33 +0200 Jonathan McKeown wrote: > On Monday 11 September 2006 15:56, Jud wrote: > > everyone who uses FreeBSD knows that a "better" (meaning, > > at least to many folks, more simplified and graphical) > > installer would be nice > > Perhaps as an option. The problem is that you need to install a graphical > environment to run a graphical installer. Simplicity means different things > to different people, too. absolutely. but you don't need to "install" anything to "run" a graphical installer. And, ideally, you wouldn't be forced to have only the graphical installer option, you'd still be able to use the good old ncurses or hack your own -serial one :) _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome "Ugly programs are like ugly suspension bridges: they're much more liable to collapse than pretty ones, because the way humans (especially engineer-humans) perceive beauty is intimately related to our ability to process and understand complexity. A language that makes it hard to write elegant code makes it hard to write good code." Eric Raymond I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 15:14:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4218716A403 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:14:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFEDC43D7B for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:14:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 11368 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2006 15:14:16 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 11 Sep 2006 15:14:16 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 3E2492842A; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:14:15 -0400 (EDT) To: "Viswas Nair" References: <73d604760609100022o5ea4831cwa7ecd29e7461fe99@mail.gmail.com> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:14:15 -0400 In-Reply-To: <73d604760609100022o5ea4831cwa7ecd29e7461fe99@mail.gmail.com> (Viswas Nair's message of "Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:52:40 +0530") Message-ID: <44r6yio2pk.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lstdc++_p X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:14:21 -0000 "Viswas Nair" writes: > I get the message "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lstdc++_p" while building the > xfe X11 file manager. > A google did not give any ideas. > Need help. Well, start with whether libstdc++_p.a actually exists in /usr/lib. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 15:15:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248FF16A403 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:15:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greenwood.andy@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D957743D83 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:15:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from greenwood.andy@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 68so321454wri for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:15:54 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=slr2piMFAhARgj+Umyg/E3rqeE0vEp2+DxiAHBoNpZtHxy9IluEAnGWHn7eh8gj09IyvKKVn+HivJSrM5tAEHrX4OCq6ubp0qcUbHin1Fix7nw1aBHznsdtlKzZVR7WE/XMGMENGKt8VQuczSVicUBNCh/23vqQOCyRY+fCQU6s= Received: by 10.90.54.4 with SMTP id c4mr1662316aga; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:15:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.80.18 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:15:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3ee9ca710609110815w15fae6fmbef948356c244692@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:15:53 -0400 From: "Andy Greenwood" To: "Ryan Winograd" In-Reply-To: <45048A1E.1060207@houston.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <45048A1E.1060207@houston.rr.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Torrentflux, PHP, and Apache X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:15:59 -0000 torrentflux has it's own forum for problems like this. Please consult http://www.torrentflux.com/forum for help. I don't check that forum anymore as I'm a dev for b4rt's mod. If you can't get any help from the official TF folks, email me off-list and I'll see what I can do. On 9/10/06, Ryan Winograd wrote: > Hi all, > I have a strange problem here. I just installed torrentflux on my > freebsd6.1 box and it was working great for a few minutes. Then, for > some reason i can't figure out, i was no longer able to view index.php. > Other php files were parsed by the server just fine, but for some reason > when i tried to access index.php I either got actual php code or a blank > file. Let me reiterate that the other php pages for just fine...so I am > a little confused. Any advice? Ideas on what could be causing this? > > Thanks in advance, > ryan > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 15:38:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23BB516A407 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:38:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com (mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54A3F43D49 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:38:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from collaborativefusion.com (mx01.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.201]) (TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by wingspan with esmtp; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:38:57 -0400 id 00056421.45058311.00012403 Received: from Internal Mail-Server (206.210.89.202) by mx01 (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 11 Sep 2006 11:36:18 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:38:56 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: Norberto Meijome Message-Id: <20060911113856.7d6cb435.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> In-Reply-To: <20060912010120.1aeb2c28@localhost> References: <000001c6d520$292f6700$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> <20060911053240.30d8117d.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> <20060912010120.1aeb2c28@localhost> Organization: Collaborative Fusion X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.7 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, Bob Walker Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:38:59 -0000 In response to Norberto Meijome : > Any other related projects to improve the installer? I *KNOW* it isn't the most > important part of the system, but every bit counts, and I think that having > both a ncurses and a GUI (non-ncurses ;) )based installer would be quite nice > and modern. And I'd be definitely happy to help where I can. PC-BSD has one, > right? The community _is_ aware of the deficiency. It just hasn't completed an acceptable replacement yet. Probably the best known attempt was libh: http://www.freebsd.org/projects/libh.html The libh project is just waiting around for someone to revitalize it. -- Bill Moran Collaborative Fusion Inc. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 15:46:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9003B16A403 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:46:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@akruijff.dds.nl) Received: from psmtp02.wxs.nl (psmtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.247.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127FA43D45 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:46:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@akruijff.dds.nl) Received: from ip51cc8423.speed.planet.nl (ip51cc8423.speed.planet.nl [81.204.132.35]) by psmtp02.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.02 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J5F00GD8QGWE9@psmtp02.wxs.nl> for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:46:08 +0200 (MEST) Received: from Alex1.kruijff.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ip51cc8423.speed.planet.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8BFk7Li044008; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:46:07 +0200 Received: (from akruijff@localhost) by Alex1.kruijff.org (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k8BFk7mL043925; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:46:07 +0200 Content-return: prohibited Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:46:07 +0200 From: Alex de Kruijff In-reply-to: To: Andreas Davour Message-id: <20060911154607.GA67791@Alex1.kruijff.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.4/1856/Mon Sep 11 15:51:46 2006 on Alex1.kruijff.org X-Virus-Status: Clean References: <000001c6d520$292f6700$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> X-Authentication-warning: Alex1.kruijff.org: akruijff set sender to freebsd@akruijff.dds.nl using -f Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, Bob Walker Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@akruijff.dds.nl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:46:10 -0000 On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 11:42:19PM +0200, Andreas Davour wrote: > > Too bad you felt it was that horrific. > > In my experience FreeBSD is sometimes a bit harder than modern Linux > distros to install, but are much nicer to maintain and use. I found leaning linux was much harder because there wore no mailing list compaired to the ones FreeBSD has. > A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > A: Top-posting. > Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? Top-posting! -- Alex Please copy the original recipients, otherwise I may not read your reply. Howtos based on my personal use, including information about setting up a firewall and creating traffic graphs with MRTG http://alex.kruijff.org/FreeBSD/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 15:47:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0ED616A403 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:47:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from diri.bris.ac.uk (diri.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.112]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE3A43D69 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:46:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from isis.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.63]) by diri.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GMnzn-00029H-CR for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:46:57 +0100 Received: from mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.184.33]) by isis.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GMny0-0003pM-Fr for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:45:04 +0100 Received: from mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost.men.bris.ac.uk [127.0.0.1]) by mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k8BFiegk001277 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:44:40 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from shterenl@localhost) by mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k8BFidrK001276 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:44:39 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk: shterenl set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:44:39 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060911154439.GA1247@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <000001c6d520$292f6700$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> <20060911053240.30d8117d.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> <20060912010120.1aeb2c28@localhost> <20060911113856.7d6cb435.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060911113856.7d6cb435.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Spam-Score: -0.9 X-Spam-Level: / Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:47:10 -0000 On 2006 Sep 11, Bill Moran wrote: > In response to Norberto Meijome : > > > Any other related projects to improve the installer? I *KNOW* it isn't the most > > important part of the system, but every bit counts, and I think that having > > both a ncurses and a GUI (non-ncurses ;) )based installer would be quite nice > > and modern. And I'd be definitely happy to help where I can. PC-BSD has one, > > right? > > The community _is_ aware of the deficiency. It just hasn't completed an > acceptable replacement yet. Probably the best known attempt was libh: I'm very happy with the installer as it is. I usually use floppies and then install via ftp, so I'd prefer to keep the installer as small as possible. Maybe even ncurses is not necessary. anton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 15:56:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE40E16A407 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:56:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: from sigma.octantis.com.au (ns2.octantis.com.au [207.44.189.124]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5695543D58 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:56:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: (qmail 23690 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2006 01:56:24 +1000 Received: from 124-168-25-250.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO localhost) (124.168.25.250) by sigma.octantis.com.au with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 12 Sep 2006 01:56:24 +1000 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:56:20 +1000 From: Norberto Meijome To: freebsd@akruijff.dds.nl Message-ID: <20060912015620.3a2971f1@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20060911155128.GB67791@Alex1.kruijff.org> References: <004001c6d5a0$43ab6ef0$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> <1157982973.13127.270627049@webmail.messagingengine.com> <200609111626.33353.jonathan@hst.org.za> <20060912010644.4547c1ad@localhost> <20060911155128.GB67791@Alex1.kruijff.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.4.0 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jonathan McKeown , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD installer (was Re: Newbie Experience #2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:56:25 -0000 On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:51:28 +0200 Alex de Kruijff wrote: > > absolutely. but you don't need to "install" anything to "run" a graphical > > installer. And, ideally, you wouldn't be forced to have only the graphical > > installer option, you'd still be able to use the good old ncurses or hack > > your own -serial one :) > > But then two versions of a installer have to be maintained, meaning more > work. Everyone can use the ncurses version. Its seems to me that the > time it takes to make a second version could better go in to other > parts of FreeBSD. not if both read the same config and display it in a different manner, very much like the Linux kernel's make config / menuconfig / xconfig _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." Benjamin Franklin I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 16:11:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33F7716A417 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:11:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com (mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 812D443D55 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:11:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from collaborativefusion.com (mx01.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.201]) (TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by wingspan with esmtp; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:11:37 -0400 id 0005641C.45058AB9.00012A37 Received: from Internal Mail-Server (206.210.89.202) by mx01 (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 11 Sep 2006 12:08:58 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:11:36 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: Anton Shterenlikht Message-Id: <20060911121136.298d7e44.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> In-Reply-To: <20060911154439.GA1247@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <000001c6d520$292f6700$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> <20060911053240.30d8117d.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> <20060912010120.1aeb2c28@localhost> <20060911113856.7d6cb435.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> <20060911154439.GA1247@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> Organization: Collaborative Fusion X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.7 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:11:39 -0000 In response to Anton Shterenlikht : > On 2006 Sep 11, Bill Moran wrote: > > In response to Norberto Meijome : > > > > > Any other related projects to improve the installer? I *KNOW* it isn't the most > > > important part of the system, but every bit counts, and I think that having > > > both a ncurses and a GUI (non-ncurses ;) )based installer would be quite nice > > > and modern. And I'd be definitely happy to help where I can. PC-BSD has one, > > > right? > > > > The community _is_ aware of the deficiency. It just hasn't completed an > > acceptable replacement yet. Probably the best known attempt was libh: > > I'm very happy with the installer as it is. I usually use floppies and > then install via ftp, so I'd prefer to keep the installer as small as > possible. Maybe even ncurses is not necessary. One of the goals of libh was to build a library that could display in a number of different ways: i.e. graphical or curses. It's possible that libh stalled because their goals were too lofty ... -- Bill Moran Collaborative Fusion Inc. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 16:23:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B043816A412 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:23:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lee_shackelford@dot.ca.gov) Received: from trmx001.dot.ca.gov (svhqsacsmtp01.dot.ca.gov [64.174.7.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 405C443D80 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:23:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lee_shackelford@dot.ca.gov) In-Reply-To: <004501c6d243$e8ec4d40$3c01a8c0@coolf89ea26645> To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.4 March 27, 2005 Message-ID: From: Lee Shackelford Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:23:40 -0700 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on SACSMTP01/SVR/Caltrans/CAGov(Release 6.55FP1HF70 | July 20, 2006) at 09/11/2006 09:23:47 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: installing 6.1 on Compaq Proliant 5000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:23:57 -0000 Good morning, Mr. Mittelstaedt. Again, many thanks for your response to my question. My original purpose in purchasing the computer was to install multiple operating systems for hobbyist purpose. The computer's major selling point was that it has five hard drives. My original idea was to install a different operating system on each one. When I discovered that it had the rather sophisticated RAID-5 system implemented in hardware, I discarded that idea in favor of partitioning the hard drive to install the operating systems. The next operating system that I wanted after Windows Server 2000, with which it came equipped was FreeBSD. This project has become painfully involved, first of all, because I did not understand the fact, documented nowhere, that the BIOS of a computer intended to be a server is totally different from the BIOS of a computer intended to be a workstation. With experience, and with information eventually traded across the internet from other computer enthusiasts trying to do the same thing, I have eventually gained enough understanding of the BIOS to proceed. The process has also been stymied by the fact that the developers of the boot program for sysinstall have failed, even in its latest edition, to install in BOOT the necessary features to read the output of a Compaq server BIOS, in particular the ability to correctly interpret the size of memory. Thanks to you, other respondents, and experience, I feel that I now have a grip of that issue. My latest problem stems from the fact that I had intended to install a portion of the BSD operating system in a primary Windows partition (BSD slice) below the 1024 cylinder limit, and the rest of it in a larger Windows logical partition within the extended partition, above 1024 cylinders. Even though the handbook, as well as several other documents, clearly states that the operating system cannot be loaded into a logical partition, the implication of that statement did not register in my brain until I tried to do it. I wonder if system designers realize the extent to which the requirements that the entire system, or at least the boot BSD partition be loaded below 1024 cylinders, and the requirement that the operating system not be loaded into the extended Windows partition are in conflict in a multiple operating system environment. Some documentation says that the 1024 cylinder limit does not apply in many cases, but it never says when it applies and when it does not apply. I feel, that to make this system work, I will have to use some type of exotic partition manager such as Ranish or XOSL that can create a large number of primary partitions. I had originally wished to stick with GNU tools such as parted and grub. I realize my explanation is a bit long winded, but I hope it clarifies my goals. Yours truly, Lee Shackelford "Ted Mittelstaedt" , "Lee Shackelford" 09/06/2006 11:07 PM cc Subject Re: installing 6.1 on Compaq Proliant 5000 This isn't unusual, it happens with certain array cards. If the disk drivers of each different operating system don't agree in how the "disk" is laid out that the intelligent driver array controller presents to them, then your screwed - you cannot use the array card for a multi-boot system. Sometimes you can get away with it by installing FreeBSD on part of the disk, and a subsequent disk driver will see the FreeBSD partition and understand not to overwrite it. But, sometimes not. It strikes me that Win 2003 Server is going to run dogpile slow, I simply cannot fathom why you want to multiboot this system in the first place. The only OS's that are going to run worth a damn on it are Linux and FreeBSD, and you just need to pick one or the other. Ted PS: You do understand the difference between FreeBSD slices, FreeBSD partitions, and IBM/BIOS partitions don't you? That is your not doing something incorrect like trying to install another OS within a FreeBSD "logical slice" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Shackelford" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 10:00 AM Subject: installing 6.1 on Compaq Proliant 5000 > > Initial message posted on 8/24/2006: > Good morning dear FreeBSD enthusiasts. I am attempting to install FreeBSD > 6.1 on a Compaq Proliant 5000. The computer is equipped with four Pentium > Pro processors clocked at 200 mhz and with a Smart 2/P hardware-RAID array. > The BIOS indicates that the first two processors have failed. They are > actually okay, but there is something wrong with their socket on the > motherboard... > > Current message: > Thank you to the two people who responded to my original message. With > their help, I have progressed to the point of specifying the slice into > which I want the system installed. There are three primary slices on this > computer, plus one extended slice. The three primary slices all end within > the 1024 cylinder limit. The two primary slices that do not contain > FreeBSD are reserved for the installation of other operating systems. I > wish to place the swap slice/partition in the extended slice. The fdisk > program supplied with FreeBSD sees all of the extended slice as one slice, > and does not seem to be able to see the logical slices within it. Most of > my 15 gb. drive is in the extended slice. Does anyone know how to solve > this problem? All suggestions are appreciated. Yours truly, Lee > Shackelford > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 15:51:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE15D16A403 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:51:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trashbird1240@yahoo.com) Received: from web50415.mail.yahoo.com (web50415.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.110]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 55DB343D66 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:51:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trashbird1240@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 1836 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Sep 2006 15:51:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=c8xXs4xF61cCTNKdb9+XqvXvr4ZbGmPIjBXDe9TkrqYVFAQ8mn2KTCDqdR+he/dXe0A7LfZVyoLMrZBbGe8Jo0mx76iGN9zDZVNqqaLKD6MOip89eCKUdsyKZo7MstKS0tztYmXR8fkLIH9yT7ucgO8hJyd5HsmQ3n48TXYaGEM= ; Message-ID: <20060911155102.1834.qmail@web50415.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.183.29.121] by web50415.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:51:02 PDT Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:51:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Adamson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20060909070337.4C25.GERARD@seibercom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:30:05 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Window Manager Recommendations X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:51:08 -0000 Gerard, Thanks for the recommendations. I'm still using Windows at work, so I'll keep your recommendations in mind. Let me explain the situation, just for your peace of mind: Let's say I'm writing something in a word processor; I want to check something on the internet, or I want to initiate a download. I open my browser and click on a few things and then go back to my word processor while I'm waiting for a webpage to load. The annoying behavior is that I"ll be typing, and I type darn fast, and then when the webpage is done loading, the focus will shift and I'll still be typing. I'll type half a word before I realize that I'm now looking at a webpage. Sometimes I even use the alt key or the control key and that's when it can really skrew me up. Come to think of it, it's only Internet explorer that does this. Thanks, Joel Gerard Seibert wrote: Joel Adamson wrote: > I am switching over my desktop system to FreeBSD soon and want to > choose a nice window manager. One of the more annoying things I want > to get away from in Microsoft Windows is focus-shifting: I'll be typing > along in one place, then a webpage will finish loading, the window > focus shifts, I keep typing and execute a bunch of commands in the new window > (chosen by Windows, rather than by me, who would be content to keep > typing and go to the webpage when I'm good and ready). I prefer KDE myself, but there are many options out there to choose from. BTW, the Window's scenario you describe is totally configurable. You could start by downloading 'Power Tools': http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx That should take care of most of your easily corrected problems until you settle on a new GUI. I am slightly perplexed by the "webpage will finish loading ... " passage however. Are you inferring that a page just mysteriously loaded on its own? More than likely you initialed the operation. The majority of people I believe would want the page that they are opening to become the primary focus point. You can change the configuration to have pages open in the background however, although I fail to see why. -- Gerard Seibert gerard@seibercom.net Joel J. Adamson Arlington, MA --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 16:38:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D5A16A5A6 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:38:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hackmiester@hackmiester.com) Received: from smtpout10-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpout10-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.238]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4574D43D4C for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:38:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hackmiester@hackmiester.com) Received: (qmail 12653 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2006 16:38:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (67.32.30.240) by smtpout10-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.238) with ESMTP; 11 Sep 2006 16:38:23 -0000 In-Reply-To: <45016BBC.8080803@kth.se> References: <45016BBC.8080803@kth.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <618126D6-E8CC-4603-8371-C469A2DD96AA@hackmiester.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "hackmiester (Hunter Fuller)" Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:38:22 -0500 To: lassee@kth.se X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do I give 2 parameters to programs in an unix enviroment? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:38:30 -0000 On 8 September 2006, at 08:10, Lasse Edlund wrote: > If I have two files "foo" and "bar" and try to run diff on them I > write: > $diff foo bar > I can also write > $cat foo | diff - bar > But how do I give a program two (2) commands? not only to diff > but to any program that wants double input... > I wanna do > $cat foo | cat bar | diff - - The entire purpose of cat is to concatenate files (make them output one after another). So, do: cat foo bar | diff - - > especially with echo commands that would be handy so I dont have to > create files! > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- hackmiester (Hunter Fuller) yknow when you go to a party, and everyones hooked up except one guy and one girl and so they look at each other like.. do we have to? intel & nvidia must be lookin at each other like that right now Phone Voice: +1 251 589 6348 Fax: Call the voice number and ask. Email General chat: hackmiester@hackmiester.com Large attachments: hackmiester@gmail.com SPS-related stuff: hfuller@stpaulsmobile.net IM AIM: hackmiester1337 Skype: hackmiester31337 YIM: hackm1ester Gtalk: hackmiester MSN: hackmiester@hackmiester.com Xfire: hackmiester From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 16:39:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC14216A403 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:39:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from strange.daemonsecurity.com (59.Red-81-33-11.staticIP.rima-tde.net [81.33.11.59]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F5643D49 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:39:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [192.168.7.193] (68.Red-80-34-55.staticIP.rima-tde.net [80.34.55.68]) by strange.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E37232E024; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:39:27 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4505913A.5020403@locolomo.org> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:39:22 +0200 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Administrators References: <450536E9.2010106@ispinfo.fr> In-Reply-To: <450536E9.2010106@ispinfo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NAT+IPSEC toubles X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:39:30 -0000 Administrators wrote: > Hi, > > I'm building VPN connected to CISCO device. > > I NEED to translate my LAN adress to a given adress. > > The VPN work well when I try doing > ifconfig em0 alias _given_@_ > ping -S _given_@_ dest_@ > > but I didn't manage to translate LAN adresse AND having VPN used. > > I can pass throug VPN using actual adress but the CISCO endpoint drop it > or I translate, but packets didn't go in the VPN. > > Any idea ? IPSec does not work across NAT. The problem is authenticated headers which simply won't work because it assumes the ip header to be untouched. If you have a natting box this will rewrite the source/destination ip which means that the recipient cannot verify the authencity of the packet. You should be able to get things working without AH. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org X.509 Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/8D03551FFCE04F0C.crt Key ID: 69:79:B8:2C:E3:8F:E7:BE:5D:C3:C3:B1:74:62:B8:3F:9F:1F:69:B9 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 16:40:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9947916A407 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:40:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hackmiester@hackmiester.com) Received: from smtpauth01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpauth01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 86AD943D66 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:40:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hackmiester@hackmiester.com) Received: (qmail 756 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2006 16:40:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (67.32.30.240) by smtpauth01-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.181) with ESMTP; 11 Sep 2006 16:40:03 -0000 In-Reply-To: References: <368C080E-1BDA-4588-A9AB-D310C48C8C8B@hackmiester.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <53F1DAE2-84C2-42A2-8CD0-4764B683F624@hackmiester.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "hackmiester (Hunter Fuller)" Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:40:02 -0500 To: Jerold McAllister X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Cc: FreeBSD Users Questions Subject: Re: Network mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:40:08 -0000 On 8 September 2006, at 11:45, Jerold McAllister wrote: > hackmiester (Hunter Fuller) writes: >> I'm old school. Back in my day, we didn't have the Internet we =20 >> have today, and our UNIX boxes could mail over the network we had =20= >> strung. I don't care what mail app I use. I just want to be able =20 >> to have two boxes, boxbox and snowy, for example, and be able to =20 >> 'mail boxbox' from snowy and vice versa. This has to be on a =20 >> system-wide basis, so people on my shell server can do it easily. =20= >> Any ideas? A quick tutorial? >> --=20 >> hackmiester (Hunter Fuller) > > If you have some network connection between the two boxes (and any =20 > others) > Just follow the handbook and set up sendmail on each. If you do =20 > not want > Email from anywhere else, then set it up to accept mail connections =20= > only > from those two boxen. > You don't need any of the other fancy stuff out there unless you =20 > see some > feature that you just gotta have. So, as long as I set up sendmail and one host knows the other's name =20 and can resolve it, it will Just Work=99? > ////jerry > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-=20 > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > --=20 hackmiester (Hunter Fuller) yknow when you go to a party, and everyones hooked up except =20 one guy and one girl and so they look at each other like.. do we have to? intel & nvidia must be lookin at each other like that right now Phone Voice: +1 251 589 6348 Fax: Call the voice number and ask. Email General chat: hackmiester@hackmiester.com Large attachments: hackmiester@gmail.com SPS-related stuff: hfuller@stpaulsmobile.net IM AIM: hackmiester1337 Skype: hackmiester31337 YIM: hackm1ester Gtalk: hackmiester MSN: hackmiester@hackmiester.com Xfire: hackmiester From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 17:14:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC0816A407 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:14:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.ph@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF86843D73 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:14:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd.ph@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 13so536838nzn for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:14:07 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Skjt7L7gV7pEzp8hDtKE9mLSdVohVFcTEQQbQZH15732MNqUE4k004+A/C4OY2o+DyADNbhjaoeIfxPHRjrePlKs5wV4oiGVUwOsNJyPkdczpkBwBqLZWYafeOa6XaEtMeEEdmqxB2mwW2Et09s/0Lq5+G67tMFt1KL95QNsd4w= Received: by 10.65.112.5 with SMTP id p5mr5441144qbm; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.103.15 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:14:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:14:06 +0800 From: "jan gestre" To: "Bob Walker" In-Reply-To: <000001c6d520$292f6700$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <000001c6d520$292f6700$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:14:17 -0000 On 9/11/06, Bob Walker wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I have always wanted to better understand Unix, and so I finally made the > decision to switch some of my office PCs over to either a Unix or Linux > system. With office suites like OpenOffice, I felt that I would be able to > transition away from Windows with minimal disruption to my business. So, I > downloaded the .iso images from FreeBSD, Suse, and Fedora. I initially > favored FreeBSD, since it seemed to have the closest lineage to "pure" > Unix, > and that was important to me, but after many, many attempts to install > both > the OS and Gnome desktop environment, I threw up my hands. > > > > In brief, the installation process is just awful. After multiple attempts > on > an admittedly older machine (Pentium II 266Mhz, 256KB ram, 30GB hard > drive, > S3 Virge graphics card), I was able to get the FreeBSD OS installed, but > could not configure Gnome or KDE properly. The documentation is sketchy at > best. I had to learn about X11, Xorg, XFree86, and all of the gory history > of X before I could even begin to use ee and know to edit the /etc/rc.conf > file. The installation process did not recognize my graphics card or > Ethernet connection, and all I could get was a crude 600x800 display. And > DesktopBSD was even worse. > > > > I then repartitioned my drive and sequentially installed Fedora Core 5 amd > then Suse 10.1. Both were EASY to install, Fedora in particular recognized > all of my peripherals, and I was up and running with it in about two > hours. > Conversely, FreeBSD took me multiple days and has still left me > bewildered. > Needless to say, I was very disappointed. I feel that FreeBSD will never > achieve broader acceptance (even with momentum building for alternative > OS) > among people with modest technical proficiency and fairly simple > requirements (i.e., spreadsheets, word processing, presentations, email). > FreeBSD has an awful "out of the box" experience. It's too bad, because I > think FreeBSD is probably a better OS, but I'll never really know. > Regards, > > too bad, you experienced that, the FreeBSD sysinstall is not that really hard, it may seem daunting at first because of its text mode but it is very straight forward, i guess you have to read the handbook over and over again to fully comprehend the things you missed why things like X is not working, it will also help if you will include the error messages as to why you can't run/install gnome or kde. imo you missed some dependencies that's why you're having a hard time. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 18:46:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C12A416A40F for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:46:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leo@oel.sk) Received: from info.elf.stuba.sk (info.elf.stuba.sk [147.175.111.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F14EC43D53 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:46:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from leo@oel.sk) Received: from kesp.elf.stuba.sk (kesp-gw.elf.stuba.sk [147.175.111.80]) by info.elf.stuba.sk (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k8BIkYM85902 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:46:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kesp.elf.stuba.sk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kesp.elf.stuba.sk (8.13.1/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k8BIkY8x009008 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:46:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from leo@oel.sk) Received: from localhost (leo@localhost) by kesp.elf.stuba.sk (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id k8BIkYA7009005 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:46:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from leo@oel.sk) X-Authentication-Warning: kesp.elf.stuba.sk: leo owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:46:34 +0200 (CEST) From: Leo Mrafko X-X-Sender: leo@kesp.elf.stuba.sk To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060911203455.H8955@kesp.elf.stuba.sk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned: by AntiVirus filter AVilter (msg.VnXiBuqB@mail2.elf.stuba.sk) Subject: Restore master.passwd from pwd.db and spwd.db X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:46:37 -0000 Hello, after some weird disk accident I have only pwd.db and spwd.db from my passwd files left. Passwd and master.passwd are missing. Couln't find them in /lost+found too. The system is running, but I can not add new users, of course (baybe only using pwd_mkdb -u ). Is there any way how to reconstruct master.passwd ? I was searching through the archives and dind't finde the answer. I was also trying to look into pwd_mkdb source, but ... Thanks in advance Leo Mrafko From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 18:51:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7008316A407 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:51:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from buhnux@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5C543D77 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:51:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from buhnux@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so2121376pye for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:51:49 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=s1e8X/ublpEacAb+avjXU4o7ivO1zhNA+NkyicyfWVuUAcvR1JvQ29pHX2yaaBm+BxTEUZUqNdmv4otrXGc+emdtXcAcNf97N5++KyMWoUr26NQjqAh82gSdGMUR1SyImD4gNAocsXCiZcilCgErLIgUursBxDiglfxBeYiHw94= Received: by 10.35.114.16 with SMTP id r16mr10054440pym; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.90.6 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:51:48 -0400 From: "michael johnson" Sender: buhnux@gmail.com To: "Leo Mrafko" In-Reply-To: <20060911203455.H8955@kesp.elf.stuba.sk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060911203455.H8955@kesp.elf.stuba.sk> X-Google-Sender-Auth: eb55ffd245245964 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Restore master.passwd from pwd.db and spwd.db X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:51:58 -0000 On 9/11/06, Leo Mrafko wrote: > Hello, > > after some weird disk accident I have only pwd.db and spwd.db from my > passwd files left. Passwd and master.passwd are missing. Couln't find them > in /lost+found too. The system is running, but I can not add new users, of > course (baybe only using pwd_mkdb -u ). > Is there any way how to reconstruct master.passwd ? I was searching > through the archives and dind't finde the answer. I was also trying to > look into pwd_mkdb source, but ... > /var/backups contains a few files you may need. > Thanks in advance > Leo Mrafko > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 18:57:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80E5F16A47E for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:57:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.183]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2BCD43D6B for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:57:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin08-en2 [10.13.10.153]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout13/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k8BIvHc8028166; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:57:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [17.214.13.96] (a17-214-13-96.apple.com [17.214.13.96]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin08/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k8BIvFSi024333; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:57:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <294439d20609110527m2093cde8r4a93e391826f2b17@mail.gmail.com> References: <294439d20609110527m2093cde8r4a93e391826f2b17@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7557EBA1-58B4-4EB9-B43E-6FE3416573F7@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chuck Swiger Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:57:14 -0700 To: Amarendra Godbole X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-Language-Identified: TRUE Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sequence of execution of getopt() and usage()... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:57:19 -0000 On Sep 11, 2006, at 5:27 AM, Amarendra Godbole wrote: > This is a general FreeBSD source related question, and I am posting it > here, as it did not fit in any other FreeBSD lists... This list is a quite reasonable choice to ask such questions. :-) > While browsing through sources for different userland utilities (cat, > chmod, and so on), I noticed that in main(), first getopt() is called > in a while loop, and then the check for the number of arguments passed > is done. Something like this (from chmod.c): [ ... ] > Can't we check for the number of arguments *before* calling getopt()? [ ... ] > I observe a similar pattern in other utilities too - which might mean > that there was a sound reason as to why it was done this way. Can > someone be kind enough to explain this? Thanks in advance! Sure. The issue is that utilities which require a certain number of arguments do not want to count the option flags being passed in, but argc's count includes these flags and any values being passed to flags which take a value (ie, getopt() options followed by a colon ":"). It's much easier to process the options and then do "argc -= optind", and then determine whether the remaining # of arguments left meet the criteria for the particular program. -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 19:14:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1229116A403 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:14:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leo@oel.sk) Received: from info.elf.stuba.sk (info.elf.stuba.sk [147.175.111.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25C1B43D55 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:14:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from leo@oel.sk) Received: from kesp.elf.stuba.sk (kesp-gw.elf.stuba.sk [147.175.111.80]) by info.elf.stuba.sk (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k8BJE7M89060; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:14:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kesp.elf.stuba.sk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kesp.elf.stuba.sk (8.13.1/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k8BJE7Nv009081; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:14:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from leo@oel.sk) Received: from localhost (leo@localhost) by kesp.elf.stuba.sk (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id k8BJE7fR009078; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:14:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from leo@oel.sk) X-Authentication-Warning: kesp.elf.stuba.sk: leo owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:14:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Leo Mrafko X-X-Sender: leo@kesp.elf.stuba.sk To: michael johnson In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060911211036.U8955@kesp.elf.stuba.sk> References: <20060911203455.H8955@kesp.elf.stuba.sk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned: by AntiVirus filter AVilter (msg.flh6fv3X@mail2.elf.stuba.sk) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Restore master.passwd from pwd.db and spwd.db X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:14:30 -0000 On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, michael johnson wrote: > On 9/11/06, Leo Mrafko wrote: > > Hello, > > > > after some weird disk accident I have only pwd.db and spwd.db from my > > passwd files left. Passwd and master.passwd are missing. Couln't find them > > in /lost+found too. The system is running, but I can not add new users, of > > course (baybe only using pwd_mkdb -u ). > > Is there any way how to reconstruct master.passwd ? I was searching > > through the archives and dind't finde the answer. I was also trying to > > look into pwd_mkdb source, but ... > > > > /var/backups contains a few files you may need. Yeah, really, thanks, I found there some backup. But I still wonder, if there is a possibily to reconstruct master passwd back from .db files, e.g. in case this backup is not up-to-date. I think it should be possible, but I don't knw how.. Thanks Leo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 19:16:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B31716A415 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:16:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.228]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACC8143D6A for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:16:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 68so391522wri for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:16:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=eAkor4y1FvApV1tJBdzQTT2yuSePiJ45AStMSKORFBm7KMvPbMTu2edR0S/k03R44Thdi8lJRptyzXVMlroPtqIveFTTP+bqYo5SLDWFGUt+DW5ILY4jooUZEEDdfq0nPyi0HnqSnFC2FZKFGJm3RTqR3eTkE67C61myytrGffA= Received: by 10.90.105.20 with SMTP id d20mr1903436agc; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.98.12 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:15:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8a0028260609111215y6c3cdd82tda51f1e1d333ddd3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:15:59 +0100 From: "Jeff Rollin" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <000001c6d520$292f6700$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:16:08 -0000 On 11/09/06, jan gestre wrote: > > On 9/11/06, Bob Walker wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I have always wanted to better understand Unix, and so I finally made > the > > decision to switch some of my office PCs over to either a Unix or Linux > > system. With office suites like OpenOffice, I felt that I would be able > to > > transition away from Windows with minimal disruption to my business. So, > I > > downloaded the .iso images from FreeBSD, Suse, and Fedora. I initially > > favored FreeBSD, since it seemed to have the closest lineage to "pure" > > Unix, > > and that was important to me, but after many, many attempts to install > > both > > the OS and Gnome desktop environment, I threw up my hands. > > > > > > > > In brief, the installation process is just awful. After multiple > attempts > > on > > an admittedly older machine (Pentium II 266Mhz, 256KB ram, 30GB hard > > drive, > > S3 Virge graphics card), I was able to get the FreeBSD OS installed, but > > could not configure Gnome or KDE properly. The documentation is sketchy > at > > best. I had to learn about X11, Xorg, XFree86, and all of the gory > history > > of X before I could even begin to use ee and know to edit the > /etc/rc.conf > > file. The installation process did not recognize my graphics card or > > Ethernet connection, and all I could get was a crude 600x800 display. > And > > DesktopBSD was even worse. > > > > > > > > I then repartitioned my drive and sequentially installed Fedora Core 5 > amd > > then Suse 10.1. Both were EASY to install, Fedora in particular > recognized > > all of my peripherals, and I was up and running with it in about two > > hours. > > Conversely, FreeBSD took me multiple days and has still left me > > bewildered. > > Needless to say, I was very disappointed. I feel that FreeBSD will never > > achieve broader acceptance (even with momentum building for alternative > > OS) > > among people with modest technical proficiency and fairly simple > > requirements (i.e., spreadsheets, word processing, presentations, > email). > > FreeBSD has an awful "out of the box" experience. It's too bad, because > I > > think FreeBSD is probably a better OS, but I'll never really know. > > Regards, > > > > > too bad, you experienced that, the FreeBSD sysinstall is not that really > hard, it may seem daunting at first because of its text mode but it is > very > straight forward, i guess you have to read the handbook over and over > again > to fully comprehend the things you missed why things like X is not > working, > it will also help if you will include the error messages as to why you > can't > run/install gnome or kde. imo you missed some dependencies that's why > you're > having a hard time. Discussions like these leave me lost for words... The last time I had trouble with a FreeBSD install, it was because sysinstall neglected to install a kernel! (I remember the days when people used to complain about (n)curses-based Linux installs... Fire up Windows XP's setup.exe, and what do you get?!) Which is to say, apart from the occasional bug I really don't see what the problem is with sysinstall. To me it's the best thing this side of YaST for getting (certain areas of) system administration done. (Yeah, I know a lot of you probably hate YaST in particular or Linux in general... whilst I like FreeBSD, I have to say that it really suffers in comparison to Linux in the area of driver support. I know that's not all the FBSD developers' fault, but when you're sat there fighting with a piece of recalcitrant hardware, surprisingly enough assigning blame to where it belongs is often the last thing on your mind!) It's really hard to make a cock-up with FreeBSD installation - apart from not knowing how much space to set aside! There really ought to be something about that in the manual.... This is going off-topic quite a bit, but the same could be said for NetBSD (not, in my experience, with OpenBSD.) They're really hard to cock-up if you just *follow* *the darned* *instructions*. After coming away from Windows, it's actually nice to have some decent documentation! Jeff Rollin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 19:19:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8469E16A407 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:19:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41FD643D45 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:19:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin03-en2 [10.13.10.148]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout12/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k8BJJwCx008035; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [17.214.13.96] (a17-214-13-96.apple.com [17.214.13.96]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin03/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k8BJJuSG004363; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:19:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20060911211036.U8955@kesp.elf.stuba.sk> References: <20060911203455.H8955@kesp.elf.stuba.sk> <20060911211036.U8955@kesp.elf.stuba.sk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chuck Swiger Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:19:56 -0700 To: Leo Mrafko X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-Language-Identified: TRUE Cc: FreeBSD Mailing Lists Subject: Re: Restore master.passwd from pwd.db and spwd.db X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:19:59 -0000 On Sep 11, 2006, at 12:14 PM, Leo Mrafko wrote: >> /var/backups contains a few files you may need. > > Yeah, really, thanks, I found there some backup. But I still > wonder, if > there is a possibily to reconstruct master passwd back from .db files, > e.g. in case this backup is not up-to-date. I think it should be > possible, > but I don't knw how.. You should be able to use "pwd_mkdb -p"; see the manpage. -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 19:24:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2EB116A407 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:24:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leo@oel.sk) Received: from info.elf.stuba.sk (info.elf.stuba.sk [147.175.111.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD8ED43D46 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:24:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from leo@oel.sk) Received: from kesp.elf.stuba.sk (kesp-gw.elf.stuba.sk [147.175.111.80]) by info.elf.stuba.sk (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k8BJOPM90188; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:24:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kesp.elf.stuba.sk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kesp.elf.stuba.sk (8.13.1/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k8BJOQrD009130; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:24:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from leo@oel.sk) Received: from localhost (leo@localhost) by kesp.elf.stuba.sk (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id k8BJOP6I009127; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:24:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from leo@oel.sk) X-Authentication-Warning: kesp.elf.stuba.sk: leo owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:24:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Leo Mrafko X-X-Sender: leo@kesp.elf.stuba.sk To: Chuck Swiger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060911212250.C9115@kesp.elf.stuba.sk> References: <20060911203455.H8955@kesp.elf.stuba.sk> <20060911211036.U8955@kesp.elf.stuba.sk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned: by AntiVirus filter AVilter (msg.EWxiq8zG@mail2.elf.stuba.sk) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing Lists Subject: Re: Restore master.passwd from pwd.db and spwd.db X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:24:32 -0000 On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Sep 11, 2006, at 12:14 PM, Leo Mrafko wrote: > >> /var/backups contains a few files you may need. > > > > Yeah, really, thanks, I found there some backup. But I still > > wonder, if > > there is a possibily to reconstruct master passwd back from .db files, > > e.g. in case this backup is not up-to-date. I think it should be > > possible, > > but I don't knw how.. > > You should be able to use "pwd_mkdb -p"; see the manpage. Thanks, but sorry, this can only make passwd from master.passwd, AFAIK. Leo > > -- > -Chuck > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 19:39:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D408116A403 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:39:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.176]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E25243D55 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:39:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin02-en2 [10.13.10.147]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout06/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k8BJdM4A013457; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [17.214.13.96] (a17-214-13-96.apple.com [17.214.13.96]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin02/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k8BJdKNO000228; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:39:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8a0028260609111215y6c3cdd82tda51f1e1d333ddd3@mail.gmail.com> References: <000001c6d520$292f6700$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> <8a0028260609111215y6c3cdd82tda51f1e1d333ddd3@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9B73D1B3-5D50-4E56-A62B-70A3A07E6B34@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chuck Swiger Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:39:19 -0700 To: Jeff Rollin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-Language-Identified: TRUE Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:39:23 -0000 On Sep 11, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Jeff Rollin wrote: > Discussions like these leave me lost for words... Perhaps, although it seems you recovered quickly. :-) > Which is to say, apart from the occasional bug I really don't see > what the > problem is with sysinstall. Credits: It's highly functional. It can configure a lot of things about a FreeBSD system, either during or after the installation of the system. It's CLI/remote-serial-console friendly. Debits: It's oriented towards technical people. People who don't understand computers well in general, and the details of disk layouts in particular, tend to get hopelessly confused. Not only do they usually not know how to access the help inside sysinstall, many times the help text is not available, or is not comprehensible unless you have the already-mentioned technical background. Fortunately, the outstanding docs available for FreeBSD do a lot to walk people through the process, even novices. Unfortunately, people want to use computers without having to read the docs. Just ask your mom/grandparents/etc. :-) > To me it's the best thing this side of YaST for > getting (certain areas of) system administration done. (Yeah, I > know a lot > of you probably hate YaST in particular or Linux in general... Why would you think that? I'd imagine that most of the people using FreeBSD end up having a Linux box or two around for one reason or another. As for YaST, well, whatever gets the job done. It reminds me a bit too much of SMIT from AIX, or perhaps cPanel or Webmin, but other people seem to prefer such interfaces to a CLI prompt. -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 19:47:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66BD16A412 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:47:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toomas.aas@raad.tartu.ee) Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee (kuller.raad.tartu.ee [194.126.106.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B24843D49 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:47:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from toomas.aas@raad.tartu.ee) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B734B822 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:47:12 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at post.raad.tartu.ee Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kuller.raad.tartu.ee [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id te6AzeH2+v3o for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:46:55 +0300 (EEST) Received: from raad.tartu.ee (lv.raad.tartu.ee [194.126.106.110]) by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E244B82B for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:46:19 +0300 (EEST) Received: from INFO/SpoolDir by raad.tartu.ee (Mercury 1.48); 11 Sep 06 22:46:21 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by INFO (Mercury 1.48); 11 Sep 06 22:46:05 +0200 Received: from [172.26.1.3] (172.26.1.3) by raad.tartu.ee (Mercury 1.48) with ESMTP; 11 Sep 06 22:46:03 +0200 Message-ID: <4505BCFD.3080006@raad.tartu.ee> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:46:05 +0300 From: Toomas Aas User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: IBM Netfinity 3500 and 5.5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:47:23 -0000 Hello! Is anyone successfully running RELENG_5_5 on IBM Netfinity 3500? I have one such machine here (Type 8644-10X, with IBM ServeRAID 3L) that was running RELENG_5_4 (and 5.3 before that, IIRC) quite happily. Now I cvsupped to RELENG_5_5 and built a new world and kernel, but when booting the new kernel the boot process just hangs after these two lines: ata0: channel #0 on atapci0 ata1: channel #1 on atapci0 After these two lines have been printed, the machine hangs hard. Pressing the NumLock key on the keyboard doesn't affect the NumLock led. Only thing that remains to do is to press the power button. Googling brought me (to my surprise) to FreeBSD 5.5-RELEASE i386 installation notes that I had neglected to read. It says there that Netfinity 3500 may hang when onboard NIC is configured. So I rebooted after disabling the onboard NIC in BIOS, but that didn't help - booting still hangs at the same place. Additionally the same problem is noted in installation notes for 5.4 and 5.3, which run successfully on this box. And anyway, the hang happens long before the NIC is configured (or even long before it is probed when 5.4 boots - not sure about 5.5, maybe the device probing order has changed). Other things I have tried (and all with same miserable results): - Booting with GENERIC kernel - Booting with ACPI disabled - Removing all USB device support from kernel (during booting of FreeBSD 5.4, the next line in dmesg after ata0 and ata1 is uhci0) - Disabling USB support in BIOS - Disabling SMP support in BIOS Anything else I should try, before cvsupping (cvsdowning?) back to RELENG_5_4? I would like to avoid going to 6 right now, since that would involve a lot of port rebuilding. -- Toomas Aas From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 19:48:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D104216A416 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:48:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdow@earthlink.net) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C858443D88 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:47:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jdow@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=swX6llCRs0TMVsuFMz6j97QNLow86XJp3lKakihjkhE92RpCAuh9xWb/l/B3pAsH; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.116.130.69] (helo=Wednesday) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GMrkT-0002ER-U1 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:47:18 -0400 Message-ID: <00aa01c6d5db$1699cc50$0225a8c0@Wednesday> From: "jdow" To: References: <000001c6d520$292f6700$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> <20060911154607.GA67791@Alex1.kruijff.org> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:47:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-ELNK-Trace: bb89ecdb26a8f9f24d2b10475b571120c338009b2e73c2f59d624f26d297af4db3d6b29ebf2fd88f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.116.130.69 Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:48:29 -0000 From: "Alex de Kruijff" > On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 11:42:19PM +0200, Andreas Davour wrote: >> >> Too bad you felt it was that horrific. >> >> In my experience FreeBSD is sometimes a bit harder than modern Linux >> distros to install, but are much nicer to maintain and use. > > I found leaning linux was much harder because there wore no mailing list > compaired to the ones FreeBSD has. > >> A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. >> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? >> A: Top-posting. >> Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? > > Top-posting! You must HATE blogs. {^_-} From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 20:18:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67AAF16A4A7 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:18:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jan.grant@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E28043D5E for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:17:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jan.grant@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.16.62]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GMsBw-0005aR-NI; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:15:47 +0100 Received: from cse-jg.cse.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.12.37]:56195) by mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.50) id 1GMsBl-00011i-Tm; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:15:34 +0100 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:15:23 +0100 (BST) From: Jan Grant X-X-Sender: cmjg@tribble.ilrt.bris.ac.uk To: "hackmiester (Hunter Fuller)" In-Reply-To: <618126D6-E8CC-4603-8371-C469A2DD96AA@hackmiester.com> Message-ID: <20060911205834.S63943@tribble.ilrt.bris.ac.uk> References: <45016BBC.8080803@kth.se> <618126D6-E8CC-4603-8371-C469A2DD96AA@hackmiester.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spamassassin: mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Level: / X-Spam-Score: -1.2 X-Spam-Level: - Cc: lassee@kth.se, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do I give 2 parameters to programs in an unix enviroment? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:18:27 -0000 On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, hackmiester (Hunter Fuller) wrote: > On 8 September 2006, at 08:10, Lasse Edlund wrote: > > > If I have two files "foo" and "bar" and try to run diff on them I write: > > $diff foo bar > > I can also write > > $cat foo | diff - bar > > But how do I give a program two (2) commands? not only to diff > > but to any program that wants double input... > > I wanna do > > $cat foo | cat bar | diff - - > > The entire purpose of cat is to concatenate files (make them output one after > another). So, do: > > cat foo bar | diff - - This advice is wrong. To answer the original question: the shell pipe connects the stdout of the first process to the stdin of the second process using a pipe. The stock shells don't have a way of doing what you're after. If you have fdescfs mounted, ksh can do something like what you're after using the syntax: diff <(cat foo) <(cat bar) zsh supports something similar and can work around the lack of fdescfs. -- jan grant, ISYS, University of Bristol. http://www.bris.ac.uk/ Tel +44 (0)117 3317661 http://ioctl.org/jan/ ( echo "ouroboros"; cat ) > /dev/fd/0 # it's like talking to yourself sometimes From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 20:28:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 827E616A407 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:28:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.228]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D513343D78 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:28:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i21so429183wra for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 13:28:22 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=lReKgYyl9hXP222GL/DUyV3wKopHagNofCJR5C/yV8hYZN0yJdQfucJo/H41yul13k7O3F3XDqTD400VYLHj/HknMwSghPaFjjCMnKd7HeR/Rt6AcM0wkwX0Rdf+iJOrZhyncrTt635LZBIwUPeUH3rHPJG2OkdqHc+WR9m9xYk= Received: by 10.90.73.3 with SMTP id v3mr1928742aga; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 13:28:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.98.12 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 13:28:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8a0028260609111328x44c8b425k3e6a07c61aac197e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:28:22 +0100 From: "Jeff Rollin" To: "FreeBSD Questions Mailing List" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Extensions and Themes in Firefox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:28:24 -0000 Hi list, I'm using FBSD 6.1-RELEASE and I'm having trouble downloading extensions and themes in firefox (installed from packages). They all complain that they're not "supported in Unknown". Any ideas on how to fix this, please? TIA Jeff Rollin -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 20:40:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A384516A40F for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:40:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from buhnux@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C2CC43D55 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:40:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from buhnux@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 13so579315nzn for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 13:40:10 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=VSOGOXqwKDn83cn5A24UAxnTgSz3LH0IVmdnzwUUDLQnExFAcgHFqTjBmCTcTCeZX81sao4kP2Hjf00JbAPfPWgL3FRWkPDe1QXlo+K4sWCCDBqae7Qfe9RrJTrtm0amGm19P6RW/7Sor41TNofJATTkW9FBpwnKKBJk/3GCFb8= Received: by 10.35.121.2 with SMTP id y2mr9573144pym; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 13:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.90.6 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 13:40:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:40:09 -0400 From: "michael johnson" Sender: buhnux@gmail.com To: "Jeff Rollin" In-Reply-To: <8a0028260609111328x44c8b425k3e6a07c61aac197e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8a0028260609111328x44c8b425k3e6a07c61aac197e@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7809d771a28a6f2e Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Re: Extensions and Themes in Firefox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:40:11 -0000 On 9/11/06, Jeff Rollin wrote: > Hi list, > > I'm using FBSD 6.1-RELEASE and I'm having trouble downloading extensions and > themes in firefox (installed from packages). They all complain that they're > not "supported in Unknown". > What theme/extension are you trying to install? > Any ideas on how to fix this, please? > > TIA > > Jeff Rollin > > -- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 20:59:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D3B516A598 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:59:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danial_thom@yahoo.com) Received: from web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.119]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E160643D46 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:59:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danial_thom@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 29997 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Sep 2006 20:59:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2bOegZCG039i1I8PB42VO8dvE3fHucSvzZVGJJSIO6/UZOwfWUYy7xLtgXqLNzJgznl+wLOMXnAmkLvzuGm1lNWH+f0ywOnOUeSyZfZNBQjARRykx5x53SxCwNRWQjb+JS428QvazGBLhli9mtCV8dAtKUtviGpO6I4/JJTl19A= ; Message-ID: <20060911205920.29995.qmail@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.34.182.15] by web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 13:59:20 PDT Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 13:59:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Danial Thom To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: ATA driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: danial_thom@yahoo.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:59:21 -0000 Has anyone ported the ata drivers with SATA support back to 4.x? It is doable or are there some new kernel structures that won't port? DT __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 21:16:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B455E16A403 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:16:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from diri.bris.ac.uk (diri.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.112]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EF3443D4C for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:16:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from isis.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.63]) by diri.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GMt8s-0000wj-FV for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:16:41 +0100 Received: from mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.184.33]) by isis.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GMt5T-00024b-4w for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:13:06 +0100 Received: from mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost.men.bris.ac.uk [127.0.0.1]) by mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k8BLCgtL002306 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:12:42 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from shterenl@localhost) by mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k8BLCgbB002305 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:12:42 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk: shterenl set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:12:41 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060911211241.GA2211@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <000001c6d520$292f6700$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Spam-Score: -0.8 X-Spam-Level: / Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:16:42 -0000 > >Needless to say, I was very disappointed. I feel that FreeBSD will never > >achieve broader acceptance (even with momentum building for alternative > >OS) > >among people with modest technical proficiency and fairly simple > >requirements (i.e., spreadsheets, word processing, presentations, email). > >FreeBSD has an awful "out of the box" experience. It's too bad, because I > >think FreeBSD is probably a better OS, but I'll never really know. > >Regards, > > > > > too bad, you experienced that, the FreeBSD sysinstall is not that really > hard, it may seem daunting at first because of its text mode but it is very > straight forward, i guess you have to read the handbook over and over again > to fully comprehend the things you missed why things like X is not working, > it will also help if you will include the error messages as to why you can't > run/install gnome or kde. imo you missed some dependencies that's why you're > having a hard time. When I first installed FreeBSD, circa 2003, version 4.9, the two reasons I chose it over Redhat and Debian were the simplicity of the installation and good manual. The install process on REdhat and Debian was awkward, at least for me, and I could not make them work on my old compaq armada laptop. In contrast just following the manual and choosing default install parameters I got Freebsd working fast. During the installation I actually learned a lot about unix and Freebsd, the sort of details which are important to know anyway. It is hard to find the right balance between simplicity and functionality. It seems the balance in the Freebsd install is about right. anton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 21:18:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A76A516A412 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:18:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@rhavenn.net) Received: from smtp124.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp124.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.124]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D93143D46 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:18:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@rhavenn.net) Received: from arucard.int.ecreativeworks.com (unknown [66.173.15.10]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: henrik@ecwwebworks.com) by relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6B80144C298 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:18:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Henrik Hudson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:18:38 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609111618.38522.lists@rhavenn.net> Subject: samba and localhost? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lists@rhavenn.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:18:43 -0000 Hey List- running: 6.1-stable samba: 3.0.23b Question about the loopback interface for samba....I've got a dual-homed host and when I set this in my smb.cnf bind interfaces only = yes interfaces = em0 lo0 hosts deny = ALL hosts allow = 10.0.0.0/24 127. I get errors when running samab tests stating: querying ECW on 127.255.255.255 Sending a packet of len 50 to (127.255.255.255) on port 137 Packet send failed to 127.255.255.255(137) ERRNO=Can't assign requested address name_query failed to find name ECW#1d I do have PF filter running, but I don't see any blocks on the pf logs. When I'm actually trying to do anything with samba I just get "can't find login server" errors. When I modify this to: interfaces = em0 then most of my services work fine, but I can't use net commands, etc.. since they try and connect on the localhost. How can I fix this? Henrik -- Henrik Hudson lists@rhavenn.net ------------------------------ "God, root, what is difference?" Pitr; UF (http://www.userfriendly.org/) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 21:19:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C35716A412 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:19:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rance@frontiernet.net) Received: from relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.182.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D223743DBB for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:19:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rance@frontiernet.net) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.4.1 at filter06.roc.ny.frontiernet.net Received: from localhost (webmail04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.182.103]) by relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20254370C4E; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:19:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Received: from mail.nebraskaturkey.com (mail.nebraskaturkey.com [207.68.218.164]) by webmail.frontiernet.net (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:19:16 +0000 Message-ID: <20060911211916.xbvk6migrqw4k000@webmail.frontiernet.net> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:19:16 +0000 From: "rance@frontiernet.net" To: Jeff Rollin References: <8a0028260609111328x44c8b425k3e6a07c61aac197e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8a0028260609111328x44c8b425k3e6a07c61aac197e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.5-cvs) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Re: Extensions and Themes in Firefox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:19:32 -0000 Quoting Jeff Rollin : > Hi list, > > I'm using FBSD 6.1-RELEASE and I'm having trouble downloading extensions and > themes in firefox (installed from packages). They all complain that they're > not "supported in Unknown". > > Any ideas on how to fix this, please? > > TIA > > Jeff Rollin > > -- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I solved this problem on my freebsd 6.1-STABLE box by deinstalling all graphical web tools (Opera, Firefox, etc) enabling linux binary compatibility, and then installing the linux versions of all those graphical www tools I had just installed. then the linux-plugins I'm very pleased with the results, as many plugings dont have a BSD version. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 21:22:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D5616A407 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:22:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from diri.bris.ac.uk (diri.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.112]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9851F43D78 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:21:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from seis.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.93]) by diri.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GMtDb-000111-E8 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:21:34 +0100 Received: from mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.184.33]) by seis.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GMtCj-0001Ru-VH for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:20:41 +0100 Received: from mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost.men.bris.ac.uk [127.0.0.1]) by mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k8BLKC0G002325 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:20:12 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from shterenl@localhost) by mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k8BLKCdP002324 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:20:12 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk: shterenl set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:20:12 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060911212012.GB2211@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <20060909070337.4C25.GERARD@seibercom.net> <20060911155102.1834.qmail@web50415.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060911155102.1834.qmail@web50415.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Spam-Score: -0.9 X-Spam-Level: / Subject: Re: Window Manager Recommendations X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:22:06 -0000 On 2006 Sep 11, Joel Adamson wrote: > Gerard, > > Thanks for the recommendations. I'm still using Windows at work, so I'll keep your recommendations in mind. > > Let me explain the situation, just for your peace of mind: Let's say I'm writing something in a word processor; I want to check something on the internet, or I want to initiate a download. I open my browser and click on a few things and then go back to my word processor while I'm waiting for a webpage to load. The annoying behavior is that I"ll be typing, and I type darn fast, and then when the webpage is done loading, the focus will shift and I'll still be typing. I'll type half a word before I realize that I'm now looking at a webpage. Sometimes I even use the alt key or the control key and that's when it can really skrew me up. I've been using xfce and mwm and never had problems with focus shifting. anton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 21:55:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0450E16A403 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:55:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralphellis@netscape.ca) Received: from smtp-1.vancouver.ipapp.com (smtp-1.vancouver.ipapp.com [216.152.192.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9441643D45 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:55:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ralphellis@netscape.ca) Received: from [192.168.123.100] ([172.163.153.7]) by smtp-1.vancouver.ipapp.com ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:55:50 -0700 From: Ralph Ellis To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:55:37 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <000001c6d520$292f6700$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> <20060911211241.GA2211@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <20060911211241.GA2211@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609111755.38153.ralphellis@netscape.ca> X-Rcpt-To: X-Country: US Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:55:56 -0000 On Monday 11 September 2006 2:12 pm, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > > >Needless to say, I was very disappointed. I feel that FreeBSD will never > > >achieve broader acceptance (even with momentum building for alternative > > >OS) > > >among people with modest technical proficiency and fairly simple > > >requirements (i.e., spreadsheets, word processing, presentations, > > > email). FreeBSD has an awful "out of the box" experience. It's too bad, > > > because I think FreeBSD is probably a better OS, but I'll never really > > > know. Regards, > > > > too bad, you experienced that, the FreeBSD sysinstall is not that really > > hard, it may seem daunting at first because of its text mode but it is > > very straight forward, i guess you have to read the handbook over and > > over again to fully comprehend the things you missed why things like X is > > not working, it will also help if you will include the error messages as > > to why you can't run/install gnome or kde. imo you missed some > > dependencies that's why you're having a hard time. > > When I first installed FreeBSD, circa 2003, version 4.9, the two reasons I > chose it over Redhat and Debian were the simplicity of the installation and > good manual. The install process on REdhat and Debian was awkward, at least > for me, and I could not make them work on my old compaq armada laptop. In > contrast just following the manual and choosing default install parameters > I got Freebsd working fast. > > During the installation I actually learned a lot about unix and Freebsd, > the sort of details which are important to know anyway. > > It is hard to find the right balance between simplicity and functionality. > It seems the balance in the Freebsd install is about right. > > anton > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I think that for people who have never seen FreeBSD before, PC-BSD or DesktopBSD are good choices for starting points. Most of the install choices are made for you. Later if someone wants to do a custom install, they will have more familiarity with the choices or have a good FreeBSD book like FreeBSD 6 Unleashed which can help sort out the problems. Ralph Ellis From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 22:08:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29DC516A40F for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:08:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from backyard1454-bsd@yahoo.com) Received: from web83101.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web83101.mail.mud.yahoo.com [216.252.101.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 58D1543D49 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:08:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from backyard1454-bsd@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 92968 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Sep 2006 22:08:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CjGT6O3RfhL+FcVTquEmxYLMMGnGYXUop0MDi0qIMd3wisisPzfS1N0AzFElD9QM92xs3cevvmQwVR9UBLOCxy88YMrJCOkE7p399IULzHSkNIkd68sN65gdKpjsztMhZ2C86FnPHEWR7xNX2XZWMJIG6UbNih5Cb0gJzJk9yU0= ; Message-ID: <20060911220803.92966.qmail@web83101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.95.199.205] by web83101.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:08:03 PDT Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:08:03 -0700 (PDT) From: backyard To: Chuck Swiger , Jeff Rollin In-Reply-To: <9B73D1B3-5D50-4E56-A62B-70A3A07E6B34@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: backyard1454-bsd@yahoo.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:08:05 -0000 --- Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Sep 11, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Jeff Rollin wrote: > > Discussions like these leave me lost for words... > > Perhaps, although it seems you recovered quickly. > :-) > > > Which is to say, apart from the occasional bug I > really don't see > > what the > > problem is with sysinstall. I'm in that club myself. It takes a few times to get it down, but it is simple once you know the basic steps of getting FreeBSD on a box. The trick is of course understanding the basic steps which is where most don't take the time to research. I know I read through tha handbook a few times before I attempted my first go, and I know I messed up royally even still. But now its more frustrating to figure out what I want to do while the packages are downloading then anything else. > > Credits: It's highly functional. It can configure a > lot of things > about a FreeBSD system, either during or after the > installation of > the system. It's CLI/remote-serial-console > friendly. > > Debits: It's oriented towards technical people. > People who don't > understand computers well in general, and the > details of disk layouts > in particular, tend to get hopelessly confused. Not > only do they > usually not know how to access the help inside > sysinstall, many times > the help text is not available, or is not > comprehensible unless you > have the already-mentioned technical background. I would have to concurr with this 100%. My first go at FreeBSD was a little rough do to this whole concept of two "partitionings." I thought to myself now why would anyone want to do this. I wouldn't consider myself at the time a novice, but I wouldn't consider myself too bright either... Now it makes perfect sense to have one partition and multiple slices. It makes an fstab look a lot nicer. nothing more annoying then not having say a linux box boot because you selected the extended partitions number instead of the logical drive contained therein... and keeping track of a million partitions get old quick. > > Fortunately, the outstanding docs available for > FreeBSD do a lot to > walk people through the process, even novices. > Unfortunately, people > want to use computers without having to read the > docs. Just ask your > mom/grandparents/etc. :-) > most people want to use everything without reading the manual. I think thats why there's labels on the toaster not to stick a fork in it, or a tag to not use a hair dryer in the shower... Personally I turn to the Cadillac shop manual when I want to tune up my eldo, it makes sense to me. I know software is the same way, but most people don't want to take any time figuring out what their doing; pardon my vulgarity but Taco Bell exists for a reason, man pages... > > To me it's the best thing this side of YaST for > > getting (certain areas of) system administration > done. (Yeah, I > > know a lot > > of you probably hate YaST in particular or Linux > in general... > > Why would you think that? I'd imagine that most of > the people using > FreeBSD end up having a Linux box or two around for > one reason or > another. I find it was for not reading the FreeBSD manuals... if people think FreeBSD is hard I cannot imagine what they think about Linux. Sure it has that flashy install program, well except Gentoo and maybe a few others, but upgrading the kernel can make setting up a FreeBSD box from scratch WITHOUT the manuals seem like a cake walk... I will admit to having a linux partition on my laptop, but only because I haven't taken the time to backup FreeBSD and give myself 15 more gigs... I will give Linux this, if I were building an embedded system I would probably go with Linux, but only because the obscure hardware sometimes in PC104s has vendor supported linux drivers. That and I understand how Linux boots better then FreeBSD, I'm hoping this will change soon; even have a Treo 650 lying around with X windows name all over it... might have to try OpenBSD for that one though... -brian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 22:14:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 154F116A412 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:14:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nestor@mingus.eyedotmind.com) Received: from mingus.eyedotmind.com (adsl-75-15-110-29.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net [75.15.110.29]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDAD443D7D for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:14:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nestor@mingus.eyedotmind.com) Received: by mingus.eyedotmind.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7478E28450; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:14:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mingus.eyedotmind.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7186928410 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:14:06 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:14:06 +0000 (UTC) From: Nestor Wheelock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060911221120.K2564@mingus.eyedotmind.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: just what does kserel mean? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:14:21 -0000 I have searched all over the net for a good definition of what the top state, "kserel" means. When I run mysql this is the state in which it runs. PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 2117 mysql 17 20 0 323M 59080K kserel 0 0:02 0.00% mysqld I'm a newbie with freebsd and am concerned that this might be some sort of problem since my installation of Mysql turned out to be rather challenging. Thanks, Nestor From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 22:20:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0040516A4A0 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:20:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from backyard1454-bsd@yahoo.com) Received: from web83104.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web83104.mail.mud.yahoo.com [216.252.101.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 604B043D97 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:20:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from backyard1454-bsd@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 73260 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Sep 2006 22:20:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kX2JX5eaIyDXd+kFCvsvc+dZU48iRfFh7Yj1+0xrCpajAxNW2YMk+LTgldrsiid1sD3hZ4TXN63L6DwrdZ7cjsgqIKF/zlq4JFDTLiezTQOTsUecWY4PTj4GJG2K0q31vQOnRaNQ2LRwNyVmMp3RWw2Lkk6SVz8+YVM6C04Ad8o= ; Message-ID: <20060911222038.73258.qmail@web83104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.95.199.205] by web83104.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:20:37 PDT Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:20:37 -0700 (PDT) From: backyard To: Anton Shterenlikht , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20060911211241.GA2211@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: backyard1454-bsd@yahoo.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:20:54 -0000 --- Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > > >Needless to say, I was very disappointed. I feel > that FreeBSD will never > > >achieve broader acceptance (even with momentum > building for alternative > > >OS) > > >among people with modest technical proficiency > and fairly simple > > >requirements (i.e., spreadsheets, word > processing, presentations, email). > > >FreeBSD has an awful "out of the box" experience. > It's too bad, because I > > >think FreeBSD is probably a better OS, but I'll > never really know. > > >Regards, > > > > > > > > too bad, you experienced that, the FreeBSD > sysinstall is not that really > > hard, it may seem daunting at first because of its > text mode but it is very > > straight forward, i guess you have to read the > handbook over and over again > > to fully comprehend the things you missed why > things like X is not working, > > it will also help if you will include the error > messages as to why you can't > > run/install gnome or kde. imo you missed some > dependencies that's why you're > > having a hard time. > > When I first installed FreeBSD, circa 2003, version > 4.9, the two reasons I chose it over Redhat and > Debian were the simplicity of the installation and > good manual. The install process on REdhat and > Debian was awkward, at least for me, and I could not > make them work on my old compaq armada laptop. In > contrast just following the manual and choosing > default install parameters I got Freebsd working > fast. > > During the installation I actually learned a lot > about unix and Freebsd, the sort of details which > are important to know anyway. > > It is hard to find the right balance between > simplicity and functionality. It seems the balance > in the Freebsd install is about right. > > anton > I've only been around since FreeBSD 5.4 myself, and found during installs that sysinstall would get confused if you changed your mind and went backwards through the menus to reconfigure options. it seems like the one in 6.1 is a lot better, but maybe I just move back and forth less... That being said once it is installed it is a million times easier to maintain and upgrade then any Linux I've used. I had an old Digital 486 I had to install Redhat 7.3 thinking I could easily update to the latest kernel. I found I had to go through so many dependancies to do so I finally said whatever kernel was there was good enough. Talk about having to be a GNU guru to get things installed correctly without clobbering the old stuff and running into trouble... Of late I was using Gentoo which I found to be FreeBSD like with its portage system, until recently when it seems they changed many system level interface stuff sometime after April 2006 and now I cannot seem to update it. Even a full system rebuild has blocking packages that boggle my mind as they were compile from source originally... sysinstall isn't all that bad. It could be flashier, it could be graphical, it could be a lot of things. If it really bothers you that much you can make yourself a livecd system that brings up X and restores a basic install, or cvsups whatever system you want on your pc/sparc/whatever and builds it from source. that is the beauty of Unix. True Unix not an emulator like Linux. That and the fact you get an OS with a set of base software and a compiler out of the box. Linux is only the kernel, you have to make hundreds of independant software packages work together to get a system running. Each one with their own independant configuration files, and hundreds of man pages to read. Even the rc.d system is a separate package. now I'm sure things have progressed with Fedora Core where updating is nice and simple, but the shear amount of chaos that is Linux just drives me nutz. Sysinstall does take a few installs to get down pat, but once you do it can be setup almost in your sleep. You do need to get used to the differences of Unix vs most PC OSs whereby you need to in laymens term partition twice. A feature I love because it keeps fstab making sense. Like anything you can't expect to try something completely new without expecting to fall on your face a few times. I wouldn't just through on scuba gear and dive the Atlantic Ocean in search of the Titanic... I would expect to have to read, maybe take some classes (mess up FreeBSD bad and start over) and try in a pool instead of the ocean a few times (use non-mission critical machines to learn with) The unfortunate truth is Unix is not Microsoft Windows, well some might consider it unfortunate... Windows tells you what to do, what software you must use, what drivers you must use, where you must install things, what daemons listen to what ports and their is little you can do to change it. Unix is just a set of simple commands strung together in scripts and pipes that can do whatever you want it to do. X11 is not Unix it is a software package designed to allow netrocentric GUI applications to talk to a screen, keyboard and mouse. Its a monster in and of itself... Complete with its own documentation... Unfortunately it takes some time to learn how to work with FreeBSD and Unix in general. Some people have been doing it there whole professional lives and probably still are amazed when they see a new little trick come out of some new hackers "toolbox." There are a few simple rules, and the rest is on you. It's Unix's greatest strength and weakness rolled into one. Please don't give up on FreeBSD because of one bad experience. Take the time to mess around with it and learn the basics and go from there. Or stick with Linux its up to you. I will guarantee that when it comes to upgrading the Linux box you will come back to FreeBSD real quick... -brian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 22:36:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E8016A412 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:36:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from svein.h@lvor.halvorsen.cc) Received: from signal.itea.ntnu.no (signal.itea.ntnu.no [129.241.190.231]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D0343D60 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:35:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from svein.h@lvor.halvorsen.cc) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by signal.itea.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3299E33E48 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:35:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from maren.thelosingend.net (maren.math.ntnu.no [129.241.211.48]) by signal.itea.ntnu.no (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:35:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 26177 invoked by uid 88); 12 Sep 2006 00:35:53 +0200 Received: from 37.84-48-193.nextgentel.com (HELO [10.0.0.8]) (84.48.193.37) by maren.thelosingend.net (qpsmtpd/0.31.1) with ESMTP; tir, 12 sep 2006 00:35:52 +0200 Message-ID: <4505E493.5070604@lvor.halvorsen.cc> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:34:59 +0200 From: Svein Halvor Halvorsen User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060522) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan Chen References: <2225.196.202.92.107.1157880376.squirrel@www.technat.org> <20060910113118.GB78005@osiris.chen.org.nz> In-Reply-To: <20060910113118.GB78005@osiris.chen.org.nz> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 OpenPGP: id=9198BB40; url=mailto:pgpkey@svein.halvorsen.cc Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig598D3EA72DB5499D713CA1B6" X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Content-Scanned: with sophos and spamassassin at mailgw.ntnu.no. Cc: mohab@technat.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:36:01 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig598D3EA72DB5499D713CA1B6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jonathan Chen wrote: > To unzip ZIPs, you need to install archivers/unzip. To unzip RARs, you > need to install archivers/unrar. The new bsdtar (by way of libarchive) can read zip files quite nicely. At least most of them, in my experience. According to the man page libarchive-formats(5): Zip format Libarchive can extract from most zip format archives. It currently only supports uncompressed entries and entries compressed with the ``deflate'' algorithm. Older zip compression algorithms are not supported. The base system tar is bsdtar (from 5.3-RELEASE, I think) Svein Halvor --------------enig598D3EA72DB5499D713CA1B6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (FreeBSD) Comment: mailto:pgpkey@svein.halvorsen.cc to get my PGP-key iD8DBQFFBeSYhQg3vZGYu0ARAgjuAKC7QfMgIvOz6uAd2Yapkulj1ePNxQCfYt7d Wy9HAi+gnXPsi1zJQXt4k2E= =2Kv8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig598D3EA72DB5499D713CA1B6-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 22:44:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0BD116A412 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:44:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07F5943D62 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:44:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) id k8BMiYDl096070; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:44:34 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:44:34 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: Nestor Wheelock Message-ID: <20060911224434.GA58979@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20060911221120.K2564@mingus.eyedotmind.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060911221120.K2564@mingus.eyedotmind.com> X-OS: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: just what does kserel mean? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:44:40 -0000 In the last episode (Sep 11), Nestor Wheelock said: > I have searched all over the net for a good definition of what the top > state, "kserel" means. When I run mysql this is the state in which it > runs. > > PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND > 2117 mysql 17 20 0 323M 59080K kserel 0 0:02 0.00% mysqld That's just a wait state used inside libkse threads meaning a thread is waiting for something to do. Note that for a threaded program, the STATE seen by top is that of only one thread owned by the process. Press 'H' to see each thread on its own line. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 22:58:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53A2F16A403 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:58:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@msu.edu) Received: from sys35.mail.msu.edu (sys35.mail.msu.edu [35.9.75.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F65443D45 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:58:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jerrymc@msu.edu) Received: from jerrymc by sys35.mail.msu.edu with local (Exim 4.52 #1) id 1GMujI-0004JY-SS; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:58:16 -0400 References: <20060911220803.92966.qmail@web83101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060911220803.92966.qmail@web83101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Jerold McAllister" To: backyard1454-bsd@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:58:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Virus: None found by Clam AV Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:58:21 -0000 backyard writes: > --- Chuck Swiger wrote: > >> On Sep 11, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Jeff Rollin wrote: >> > Discussions like these leave me lost for words... >> >> Perhaps, although it seems you recovered quickly. >> :-) >> >> > Which is to say, apart from the occasional bug I >> really don't see >> > what the >> > problem is with sysinstall. > > I'm in that club myself. It takes a few times to get > it down, but it is simple once you know the basic > steps of getting FreeBSD on a box. The trick is of >>........ > some excised >>........ > >> comprehensible unless you >> have the already-mentioned technical background. > > I would have to concurr with this 100%. My first go at > FreeBSD was a little rough do to this whole concept of > two "partitionings." I thought to myself now why would > anyone want to do this. I wouldn't consider myself at > the time a novice, but I wouldn't consider myself too > bright either... Now it makes perfect sense to have > one partition and multiple slices. It makes an fstab > look a lot nicer. Of course, I think you just said that backwards. I think by FreeBSD terminology you probably mean one slice and several partitions (a-h) in it... ////jerry > nothing more annoying then not > having say a linux box boot because you selected the > extended partitions number instead of the logical > drive contained therein... and keeping track of a > million partitions get old quick. > > > > -brian > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 23:03:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02BFD16A403 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 23:03:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.184]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B74443D45 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 23:03:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin03-en2 [10.13.10.148]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout14/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k8BN3vk1023400; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [17.214.13.96] (a17-214-13-96.apple.com [17.214.13.96]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin03/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k8BN3s3O025965; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:03:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20060911221120.K2564@mingus.eyedotmind.com> References: <20060911221120.K2564@mingus.eyedotmind.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <89A4BF2E-0A65-4FE4-96D0-47E0827F1C14@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chuck Swiger Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:03:54 -0700 To: Nestor Wheelock X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-Language-Identified: TRUE Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: just what does kserel mean? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 23:03:58 -0000 On Sep 11, 2006, at 3:14 PM, Nestor Wheelock wrote: > I have searched all over the net for a good definition of what the > top state, "kserel" means. When I run mysql this is the state in > which it runs. > > PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU > COMMAND > 2117 mysql 17 20 0 323M 59080K kserel 0 0:02 0.00% > mysqld > > I'm a newbie with freebsd and am concerned that this might be some > sort of problem since my installation of Mysql turned out to be > rather challenging. This state is set in the kse_release() call in sys/kern/kern_kse.c, and appears to mean that the process is waiting to be woken up by a signal or is otherwise blocked waiting for more work; this is handled by returning control to userspace via an "upcall". See "man kse_release": In other words, as soon as there is a scheduling decision to be made, the KSE becomes unassigned, because the kernel does not presume to know how the process' other runnable threads should be scheduled. Unassigned KSEs always return to user space as soon as possible via the upcall mechanism (described below), allowing the user process to decide how that KSE should be utilized next. KSEs always complete as much work as possible in the kernel before becoming unassigned. [ ... ] The kse_release() system call is used to ``park'' the KSE assigned to the currently running thread when it is not needed, e.g., when there are more available KSEs than runnable user threads. The thread converts to an upcall but does not get scheduled until there is a new reason to do so, e.g., a previously blocked thread becomes runnable, or the timeout expires. If successful, kse_release() does not return to the caller. -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 00:02:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6776E16A40F for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:02:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from backyard1454-bsd@yahoo.com) Received: from web83106.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web83106.mail.mud.yahoo.com [216.252.101.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EE5A743D46 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:02:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from backyard1454-bsd@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 45175 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Sep 2006 00:02:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RLndtZ0KFFV5T3i07oay2MgLkWMie9qjYLrHSkjQSda8B9Rz+5YD2msptErLWGURLRVuc2q0gwhkkt4IQ9XelTdR9Lc04X9SmwWPz+8dkZKbqOpfRltC3Wffq4ZeMuqRSYWJVAxPZxd4Qelh6NQ9NYeeqfMwJA8OHNDeAOMmWY8= ; Message-ID: <20060912000201.45169.qmail@web83106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.95.199.205] by web83106.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:02:01 PDT Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:02:01 -0700 (PDT) From: backyard To: Jerold McAllister , backyard1454-bsd@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: backyard1454-bsd@yahoo.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:02:02 -0000 --- Jerold McAllister wrote: > backyard writes: > > > --- Chuck Swiger wrote: > > > >> On Sep 11, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Jeff Rollin wrote: > >> > Discussions like these leave me lost for > words... > >> > >> Perhaps, although it seems you recovered quickly. > > >> :-) > >> > >> > Which is to say, apart from the occasional bug > I > >> really don't see > >> > what the > >> > problem is with sysinstall. > > > > I'm in that club myself. It takes a few times to > get > > it down, but it is simple once you know the basic > > steps of getting FreeBSD on a box. The trick is of > >>........ > > some excised > >>........ > > > >> comprehensible unless you > >> have the already-mentioned technical background. > > > > I would have to concurr with this 100%. My first > go at > > FreeBSD was a little rough do to this whole > concept of > > two "partitionings." I thought to myself now why > would > > anyone want to do this. I wouldn't consider myself > at > > the time a novice, but I wouldn't consider myself > too > > bright either... Now it makes perfect sense to > have > > one partition and multiple slices. It makes an > fstab > > look a lot nicer. > > Of course, I think you just said that backwards. > I think by FreeBSD terminology you probably mean one > slice and > several partitions (a-h) in it... in the interest of not confusing a newbie in the future I would say yes I did. my biggest problem is mixing my own vernacular with what the rest of the world uses... At any rate having one slice for my Unix and partitioning that slice up with the filesystems I wish to populate is a good thing. After a while you even get used to what a-h is all about and to stay away from c unless you need to dd a mistaken gvinum configuration away... In retrospec this probably messes new folks up cause like myself they generally assume a partition is what we would call a slice... -brian > > ////jerry > > > nothing more annoying then not > > having say a linux box boot because you selected > the > > extended partitions number instead of the logical > > drive contained therein... and keeping track of a > > million partitions get old quick. > > > > > > > > -brian > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 00:29:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1939E16A403 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:29:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A518943D46 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:29:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@hub.org) Received: from localhost (wm.hub.org [200.46.204.128]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B65FF29040D for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:29:20 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.128]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 45807-01 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:29:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-137-86-60.eastlink.ca [24.137.86.60]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F42290409 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:29:20 -0300 (ADT) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1027) id 897535C21A; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:29:29 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B5133D53 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:29:29 -0300 (ADT) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:29:29 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060911212825.T1031@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Upgrade server from i386 -> amd64 kernel ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:29:27 -0000 Just had a new 64bit server installed at the colo, but they accidentally installed a i386 ISO, instead of an AMD64 one ... is it possible to build / install an amd64 world, or do I have to re-install from a proper ISO first ? Thanks ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 01:06:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91D7116A415 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:06:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leo@oel.sk) Received: from info.elf.stuba.sk (info.elf.stuba.sk [147.175.111.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7956243D53 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:06:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from leo@oel.sk) Received: from kesp.elf.stuba.sk (kesp-gw.elf.stuba.sk [147.175.111.80]) by info.elf.stuba.sk (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k8C16EM27162; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:06:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kesp.elf.stuba.sk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kesp.elf.stuba.sk (8.13.1/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k8C16H84009722; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:06:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from leo@oel.sk) Received: from localhost (leo@localhost) by kesp.elf.stuba.sk (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id k8C16Gcj009719; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:06:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from leo@oel.sk) X-Authentication-Warning: kesp.elf.stuba.sk: leo owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:06:15 +0200 (CEST) From: Leo Mrafko X-X-Sender: leo@kesp.elf.stuba.sk To: "Marc G. Fournier" In-Reply-To: <20060911212825.T1031@ganymede.hub.org> Message-ID: <20060912030247.V9574@kesp.elf.stuba.sk> References: <20060911212825.T1031@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned: by AntiVirus filter AVilter (msg.ldxVYiiU@mail2.elf.stuba.sk) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrade server from i386 -> amd64 kernel ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:06:29 -0000 Yes, in fact it's pretty simple, quoting /usr/src/Makefile: # If TARGET_ARCH=arch (e.g. ia64, sparc64, ...) is specified you can # cross build world for other architectures using the buildworld target, # and once the world is built you can cross build a kernel using the # buildkernel target. Just read through /usr/src/Makefile and /usr/src/UPDATING. Leo. On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > Just had a new 64bit server installed at the colo, but they accidentally > installed a i386 ISO, instead of an AMD64 one ... is it possible to build > / install an amd64 world, or do I have to re-install from a proper ISO > first ? > > Thanks ... > > ---- > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) > Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org > Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 01:14:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8166A16A403 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:14:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ihilt@bluebottle.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.138]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE4743D46 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:14:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ihilt@bluebottle.com) Received: from cpe-71-72-171-167.woh.res.rr.com (cpe-71-72-171-167.woh.res.rr.com [71.72.171.167]) by ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8C1E6tM006051; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:14:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Ian Graeme Hilt To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:11:55 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <20060909201151.30355.qmail@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200609101908.25757.ihilt@bluebottle.com> <001d01c6d56d$6d4cd060$0225a8c0@Wednesday> In-Reply-To: <001d01c6d56d$6d4cd060$0225a8c0@Wednesday> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609112111.56000.ihilt@bluebottle.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Cc: jdow Subject: Re: Origin of hard drive parameters X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:14:09 -0000 On Monday 11 September 2006 2:42 am, jdow wrote: > From: "Ian Graeme Hilt" > > > May I point out that I was not interested in CHS alone. My focus was the > > origin of the hard drives parameters i.e. geometry, which is the subject > > of > discussion. From this discussion and other sources I have learned > > that CHS, > as you say, is arbitrary when referring to modern drives. To > > be specific, drives adhering to ATA/ATAPI Specification 6 and later. > > ATA/ATAPI Spec. 5 and earlier used CHS mode for representing hard drive > > capacity. The reason I am > interested in this topic is partially because > > of my "idle curiosity". I'm the type of person interested in the > > challenge of answering questions. The questions, "How does the BIOS > > automatically detect correct values for hard disks?" and, "Where is this > > information stored?" have been stuck in my head > for at least 6 months. > > No amount of searching the web provided me with > > satisfactory results. I tried a few tests of my own, all of which failed > > to > answer my questions. So, I decided to appeal to the > > FreeBSD-questions mailing list. Mainly because I have found useful > > answers to other questions here. The other part of my reason is that one > > of my coworkers thought this information was stored on the platters of > > the hard drive. I thought differently but I could not _prove_ it. > > Good reason. And the information is indeed stored on the platters of > the hard disks in a place you cannot read directly. How do you know this is true? > It is easier for > me to refer to SCSI than to ATA. With SCSI the operating code for the > disk is stored on the disk. What comes up at first is enough SCSI to > say "I'm a disk; and, I'm not ready." When you issue ReadCapacity, > Mode Sense, and Inquiry commands you are accessing data stored on the > same reserved sectors as the disk's operating code. Special diagnositic > commands allow the operating code to be modified. The "Mode Select" > command allows you to reconfigure the disk's geometry. This takes > effect after you next low level format the drive if you have no other > intervening commands. This allows you to alter the spare blocks and > cylinders on the disk as well as configure most other operating > parameters. These are stored where operating systems normally cannot > see them with normal read/write commands. > > So your coworker is correct, it is stored on the drive Actually, he was arguing this information was stored on the platters of the hard drive. I was arguing it could be stored in a chip on the hard drive which I'm thinking of as the CMOS for a motherboard. > and barring nvram on the drive it is stored on the actual platters. This is exactly my point. There is cause for reasonable doubt that it isn't stored on the platters. > > >> As for storing it - read block zero of the disk. > >> Be DAMN careful not to WRITE to block zero. And if you DO write > >> to block zero at about the time I quit doing such low level stuff > >> and moved to other things there were several SCSI hard disk > >> manufacturers using code that had a defect such that if you wrote > >> more than one disk block starting at block 0 the whole disk was > >> toast until you did a fresh low level format on it. One sincerely > >> hopes THAT defect is gone these days.) > >> > >> {O.O} Joanne > > > > Reading through ATA/ATAPI -7 has helped me rephrase my questions into > > one: When the command READ NATIVE MAX ADDRESS is issued to the device, > > from where is this information returned? > > It may be cached somewhere for quick returns. Yes, but it also may be stored in the hard drive's CMOS. > There are tools for tuning > disk performance for both ATA and SCSI disks that can alter the operating > parameters. Some options read OS cached values. Others dig down and issue > the 'standard' query commands and read the actual values off the disk. The > disk is the final arbiter, in modern terms. When doing the configuration > utility that became arguably the most popular one for the Amiga I ran > across some small number of hard disks that returned off by 1 values for > size. (Micropolis was one offender at one time.) And I also ran across > drives delivered with only the first few megabytes formatted. So I built > into the configuration utility an actual search for the last readable > block. I used the lesser of that value and the value the drive declared > to Read Capacity commands. At least the formats it generated were safe. > (I think it was either Maxtor or CDC/Seagate that had the partially > formatted drives escape from their factory.) > It is possible the the factory settings for the capacity of a hard drive are stored in a chip, which I'm calling CMOS, on the circuit board attached to the hard drive. This information is then modified and saved to an inaccessible portion of the hard drive's platters or to another area of the hard drive's CMOS using the ATA command SET MAX ADDRESS, SET MAX ADDRESS EXT for 48 bit mode, or similar command. Then when the command IDENTIFY DEVICE is sent to the drive, it reports a smaller size to the caller. > I hope this answers questions enough so that the next question is more > obvious. (And in retrospect - the drive is the only thing that knows > the precise formatting parameters. So it is quite logical that the > original source for the size data is the drive itself. This is not > always, in my experience, a constant for all revisions of the same > model of drive.) > > {^_^} Joanne -- ~ Ian Graeme Hilt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 01:17:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 616DD16A403 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:17:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3D3A43D45 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:17:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (wm.hub.org [200.46.204.128]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DC3A29040D; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:17:53 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.128]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 55907-03; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:17:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-137-86-60.eastlink.ca [24.137.86.60]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80DB6290409; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:17:52 -0300 (ADT) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1027) id 0069C355DD; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:18:02 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE8C634122; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:18:02 -0300 (ADT) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:18:02 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" X-X-Sender: freebsd@ganymede.hub.org To: Leo Mrafko In-Reply-To: <20060912030247.V9574@kesp.elf.stuba.sk> Message-ID: <20060911221731.B1031@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20060911212825.T1031@ganymede.hub.org> <20060912030247.V9574@kesp.elf.stuba.sk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrade server from i386 -> amd64 kernel ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:17:59 -0000 'k, I knew about cross-compiling, just wasn't sure if it was that simple to upgrade the system being cross-compiled onto ... thanks ... On Tue, 12 Sep 2006, Leo Mrafko wrote: > Yes, in fact it's pretty simple, quoting /usr/src/Makefile: > > # If TARGET_ARCH=arch (e.g. ia64, sparc64, ...) is specified you can > # cross build world for other architectures using the buildworld target, > # and once the world is built you can cross build a kernel using the > # buildkernel target. > > Just read through /usr/src/Makefile and /usr/src/UPDATING. > > Leo. > > On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > >> >> Just had a new 64bit server installed at the colo, but they accidentally >> installed a i386 ISO, instead of an AMD64 one ... is it possible to build >> / install an amd64 world, or do I have to re-install from a proper ISO >> first ? >> >> Thanks ... >> >> ---- >> Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) >> Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org >> Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 01:32:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA26916A403 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:32:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6130D43D46 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:32:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com) Received: from frontend3.internal (frontend3.internal [10.202.2.152]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DCC9DA45B8 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat2.internal ([10.202.2.161]) by frontend3.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:32:57 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: 9r2XRMSOXFU64PfBGvJkKnxstl5L4UXMwKhS8x9u8MGl 1158024776 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA579314F for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:32:56 -0400 (EDT) From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:32:52 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <20060911212825.T1031@ganymede.hub.org> <20060912030247.V9574@kesp.elf.stuba.sk> <20060911221731.B1031@ganymede.hub.org> In-Reply-To: <20060911221731.B1031@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609120232.53525.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> Subject: Re: Upgrade server from i386 -> amd64 kernel ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:32:57 -0000 On Tuesday 12 September 2006 02:18, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > 'k, I knew about cross-compiling, just wasn't sure if it was that simple > to upgrade the system being cross-compiled onto ... thanks ... I don't think it is that simple. I'd search the amd64 list if I were you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 01:42:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA3B16A415 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:42:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2A643D49 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:42:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A46CB29040D; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:41:59 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 71560-03; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:42:05 -0300 (ADT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-137-86-60.eastlink.ca [24.137.86.60]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16FDF290409; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:41:59 -0300 (ADT) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1027) id 2848D3D32D; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:42:10 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E31F33DF1; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:42:10 -0300 (ADT) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:42:10 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" X-X-Sender: freebsd@ganymede.hub.org To: RW In-Reply-To: <200609120232.53525.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> Message-ID: <20060911224137.P1031@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20060911212825.T1031@ganymede.hub.org> <20060912030247.V9574@kesp.elf.stuba.sk> <20060911221731.B1031@ganymede.hub.org> <200609120232.53525.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrade server from i386 -> amd64 kernel ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:42:06 -0000 On Tue, 12 Sep 2006, RW wrote: > On Tuesday 12 September 2006 02:18, Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> 'k, I knew about cross-compiling, just wasn't sure if it was that simple >> to upgrade the system being cross-compiled onto ... thanks ... > > I don't think it is that simple. I'd search the amd64 list if I were you. Found two posts that basically state 'try only if you are machoistic', so I think I'll just re-install :) ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 01:50:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B3516A47B; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:50:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leo@oel.sk) Received: from info.elf.stuba.sk (info.elf.stuba.sk [147.175.111.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A54A43D49; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:50:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from leo@oel.sk) Received: from kesp.elf.stuba.sk (kesp-gw.elf.stuba.sk [147.175.111.80]) by info.elf.stuba.sk (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k8C1oIM32066; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:50:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kesp.elf.stuba.sk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kesp.elf.stuba.sk (8.13.1/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k8C1oDlG009978; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:50:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from leo@oel.sk) Received: from localhost (leo@localhost) by kesp.elf.stuba.sk (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id k8C1oCsQ009975; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:50:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from leo@oel.sk) X-Authentication-Warning: kesp.elf.stuba.sk: leo owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:50:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Leo Mrafko X-X-Sender: leo@kesp.elf.stuba.sk To: "Marc G. Fournier" In-Reply-To: <20060911221731.B1031@ganymede.hub.org> Message-ID: <20060912034231.A9958@kesp.elf.stuba.sk> References: <20060911212825.T1031@ganymede.hub.org> <20060912030247.V9574@kesp.elf.stuba.sk> <20060911221731.B1031@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned: by AntiVirus filter AVilter (msg.zQYr86Vi@mail2.elf.stuba.sk) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrade server from i386 -> amd64 kernel ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:50:23 -0000 Yes, I've done it a few months ago.. Just read through the files.. As far as I remember you need to build amd64 world, then kernel, installworld, installkernel, reboot, voila, it works.. I had some small problems which I don't remember now, you will able to solve them for sure. Maybe don't forget to backup your data first ;-) On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > 'k, I knew about cross-compiling, just wasn't sure if it was that simple > to upgrade the system being cross-compiled onto ... thanks ... > > On Tue, 12 Sep 2006, Leo Mrafko wrote: > > > Yes, in fact it's pretty simple, quoting /usr/src/Makefile: > > > > # If TARGET_ARCH=arch (e.g. ia64, sparc64, ...) is specified you can > > # cross build world for other architectures using the buildworld target, > > # and once the world is built you can cross build a kernel using the > > # buildkernel target. > > > > Just read through /usr/src/Makefile and /usr/src/UPDATING. > > > > Leo. > > > > On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > >> > >> Just had a new 64bit server installed at the colo, but they accidentally > >> installed a i386 ISO, instead of an AMD64 one ... is it possible to build > >> / install an amd64 world, or do I have to re-install from a proper ISO > >> first ? > >> > >> Thanks ... > >> > >> ---- > >> Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) > >> Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org > >> Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > ---- > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) > Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org > Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 01:54:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34E0416A40F for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:54:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from e.schuele@computer.org) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.200.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A02E43D95 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:53:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from e.schuele@computer.org) Received: from [192.168.214.215] (c-24-1-232-64.hsd1.tx.comcast.net[24.1.232.64]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with ESMTP id <2006091201535501200624tpe>; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:53:56 +0000 Message-ID: <45061332.7020609@computer.org> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:53:54 -0500 From: Eric Schuele User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060801) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nestor Wheelock References: <20060911221120.K2564@mingus.eyedotmind.com> In-Reply-To: <20060911221120.K2564@mingus.eyedotmind.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: just what does kserel mean? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:54:07 -0000 On 09/11/06 17:14, Nestor Wheelock wrote: > I have searched all over the net for a good definition of what the top > state, "kserel" means. When I run mysql this is the state in which it I don't mean to be stating the obvious... but as a newbie you might not know that KSE == "Kernel Schedulable Entity" You can do all sorts of googling on "freebsd KSE" and as Chuck mentioned browse sys/kern/kern_kse.c HTH. > runs. > > PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND > 2117 mysql 17 20 0 323M 59080K kserel 0 0:02 0.00% mysqld > > > I'm a newbie with freebsd and am concerned that this might be some sort > of problem since my installation of Mysql turned out to be rather > challenging. > > Thanks, > Nestor > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Regards, Eric From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 02:16:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94BCD16A416 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:16:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rance@frontiernet.net) Received: from relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.182.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64AEA43D53 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:16:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rance@frontiernet.net) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.4.1 at filter17.roc.ny.frontiernet.net Received: from localhost (webmail06.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.182.105]) by relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9BC3370B79; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:16:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Received: from 67-137-161-18.bras01.kea.ne.frontiernet.net (67-137-161-18.bras01.kea.ne.frontiernet.net [67.137.161.18]) by webmail.frontiernet.net (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:16:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20060912021601.3qphot44b7s40wgs@webmail.frontiernet.net> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:16:01 +0000 From: "rance@frontiernet.net" To: Xiao-Yong Jin References: <8a0028260609111328x44c8b425k3e6a07c61aac197e@mail.gmail.com> <20060911211916.xbvk6migrqw4k000@webmail.frontiernet.net> <86fyeyrsdo.fsf@presario.homeunix.org> In-Reply-To: <86fyeyrsdo.fsf@presario.homeunix.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.5-cvs) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Extensions and Themes in Firefox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:16:17 -0000 Quoting Xiao-Yong Jin : > "rance@frontiernet.net" writes: > >> Quoting Jeff Rollin : >> >>> Hi list, >>> >>> I'm using FBSD 6.1-RELEASE and I'm having trouble downloading >>> extensions and >>> themes in firefox (installed from packages). They all complain that they're >>> not "supported in Unknown". >>> >>> Any ideas on how to fix this, please? >>> >>> TIA >>> >>> Jeff Rollin >> >> I solved this problem on my freebsd 6.1-STABLE box by deinstalling all >> graphical web tools (Opera, Firefox, etc) enabling linux binary >> compatibility, and then installing the linux versions of all those >> graphical www tools I had just installed. >> >> then the linux-plugins >> >> I'm very pleased with the results, as many plugings dont have a BSD version. > > Can you explain it in detail? I can't find detailed instructions in > the Handbook. What about the flash plugin, the java plugin, the > realplayer, the openoffice plugin, or even the mplayerplug-in? > > Thank you, > Xiao-Yong > -- > ,,, > (o o) > ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- > Ok, assuming your www browser of choice is firefox (similarly for Opera) uninstall firefox then make sure linux binary compatibility is enabled, the easiest way to do that is with sysinstall. (read the handbook for more info on this step) Now cd into /usr/ports/www and look at any port whose name starts with "linux" the ones I found most helpful where: linux-firefox linux-flashplugin7 linuxpluginwrapper you might also want to look at linux-mplayer-plugin if you use mplayer for windows media files hope that helps. Rance make sure your options are what you want, and that should fix you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 02:21:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DBF716A403 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:21:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC80A43D49 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:21:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@hub.org) Received: from localhost (wm.hub.org [200.46.204.128]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A3F7290409 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 23:21:02 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.128]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 71336-03 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:21:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-137-86-60.eastlink.ca [24.137.86.60]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3234329040D for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 23:21:01 -0300 (ADT) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1027) id 4D06648377; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 23:21:12 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C248467C0 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 23:21:12 -0300 (ADT) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 23:21:12 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060911231953.M1031@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: RSS feeds for "important sites"? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:21:09 -0000 I'm trying to get my rss reader configured up so that I no longer miss anything ... or, at least, make it easier to keep on top of everything ... I can't seem to find stuff like DaemonNews and such ... Does anyone have a list of BSD related RSS feeds that they'd be willing to share? Thankx ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 02:59:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8DB016A403 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:59:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from groundedforlife@verizon.net) Received: from smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.139]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5516043D45 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:59:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from groundedforlife@verizon.net) Received: (qmail 88896 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2006 02:59:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.45?) (argentina97@verizon.net@71.116.109.144 with plain) by smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2006 02:59:53 -0000 From: Napoleon Dynamite To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:59:52 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <20060911231953.M1031@ganymede.hub.org> In-Reply-To: <20060911231953.M1031@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609111959.53311.groundedforlife@verizon.net> Subject: Re: RSS feeds for "important sites"? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:59:54 -0000 On Monday 11 September 2006 19:21, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > I'm trying to get my rss reader configured up so that I no longer miss > anything ... or, at least, make it easier to keep on top of everything ... > > I can't seem to find stuff like DaemonNews and such ... > > Does anyone have a list of BSD related RSS feeds that they'd be willing to > share? > > Thankx ... > Hi Mark, I think you're asking about all the BSDs, so here is what I have. For FreeBSD I use the RSS feeds off the main project page, for NetBSD off theirs, and for OpenBSD, which doesn't have any on their page, I get them off of http://undeadly.org (the busiest of these first three.) I also subscribe to the BSD related feeds off of Secunia. I don't know DragonflyBSD well enough to point you anywhere. Other than that I haven't found any others. The security feeds are the best because the instant I get one on FreeBSD, I recompile userland and the kernel. HTH, Eric Buchanan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 03:04:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FFC016A40F for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:04:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdow@earthlink.net) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71F9243D46 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:04:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jdow@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=SuBYhp0tjgKLxQpimOb+b8+huE2+M0Frw6ZYWQ3yb49zu4MNQD3foqigdT9qzbSo; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.116.130.69] (helo=Wednesday) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GMyZI-0001ZA-1Z for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 23:04:12 -0400 Message-ID: <027401c6d618$1f6e7690$0225a8c0@Wednesday> From: "jdow" To: References: <20060909201151.30355.qmail@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com><200609101908.25757.ihilt@bluebottle.com><001d01c6d56d$6d4cd060$0225a8c0@Wednesday> <200609112111.56000.ihilt@bluebottle.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:04:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-ELNK-Trace: bb89ecdb26a8f9f24d2b10475b571120c338009b2e73c2f58570a9a9962e587dcf2db02f6bc5f712350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.116.130.69 Subject: Re: Origin of hard drive parameters X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:04:19 -0000 From: "Ian Graeme Hilt" > On Monday 11 September 2006 2:42 am, jdow wrote: >> From: "Ian Graeme Hilt" >> >> > May I point out that I was not interested in CHS alone. My focus was the >> > origin of the hard drives parameters i.e. geometry, which is the subject >> > of > discussion. From this discussion and other sources I have learned >> > that CHS, > as you say, is arbitrary when referring to modern drives. To >> > be specific, drives adhering to ATA/ATAPI Specification 6 and later. >> > ATA/ATAPI Spec. 5 and earlier used CHS mode for representing hard drive >> > capacity. The reason I am > interested in this topic is partially because >> > of my "idle curiosity". I'm the type of person interested in the >> > challenge of answering questions. The questions, "How does the BIOS >> > automatically detect correct values for hard disks?" and, "Where is this >> > information stored?" have been stuck in my head > for at least 6 months. >> > No amount of searching the web provided me with >> > satisfactory results. I tried a few tests of my own, all of which failed >> > to > answer my questions. So, I decided to appeal to the >> > FreeBSD-questions mailing list. Mainly because I have found useful >> > answers to other questions here. The other part of my reason is that one >> > of my coworkers thought this information was stored on the platters of >> > the hard drive. I thought differently but I could not _prove_ it. >> >> Good reason. And the information is indeed stored on the platters of >> the hard disks in a place you cannot read directly. > > How do you know this is true? A friend of mine, who goes or went by the ID "scsi", worked at Micropolis then Hitachi then Maxtor then Seagate. I watched her put the operating code on the disks. I also have written and used a MODE SELECT/MODE SENSE utility that allowed me to alter the drive's formatting. I KNOW that data was not downloaded to the drive by the OS. I had adequate source for the Amiga OS by that time to know. {^_-} The OS knew how to read the data it needed off the drive. And so did the RDPrepX utility I wrote. If it was not stored on the drive NOT in one of the active user sectors then it was PFM that the drive worked at all. (I still have a fondness for the Amiga Rigid Disk Blocks format. If I can fix the BSD machine's "Chinese Capacitor Syndrom" and get it back on line I plan to make sure BSD has the ability to at least read the Amiga RDBs. The filesystem is another ballgame, though. That may already be covered. But most people get the RDB parsing wrong one way or another, particularly for 2k physical block size magneto-optical stoage.) >> It is easier for >> me to refer to SCSI than to ATA. With SCSI the operating code for the >> disk is stored on the disk. What comes up at first is enough SCSI to >> say "I'm a disk; and, I'm not ready." When you issue ReadCapacity, >> Mode Sense, and Inquiry commands you are accessing data stored on the >> same reserved sectors as the disk's operating code. Special diagnositic >> commands allow the operating code to be modified. The "Mode Select" >> command allows you to reconfigure the disk's geometry. This takes >> effect after you next low level format the drive if you have no other >> intervening commands. This allows you to alter the spare blocks and >> cylinders on the disk as well as configure most other operating >> parameters. These are stored where operating systems normally cannot >> see them with normal read/write commands. >> >> So your coworker is correct, it is stored on the drive > > Actually, he was arguing this information was stored on the platters of the > hard > drive. I was arguing it could be stored in a chip on the hard drive > which I'm thinking of as the CMOS for a motherboard. I can verify that the drives at the time I was working on them did not have nvram on the drives. And you cannot store it on the motherboard and still have the disks portable, which simple experiments can prove. The earliest drives were VERY parts deficient. As they progressed the companies got smart and figured "We have this EXCELLENT non-volatile storage quite handy to us so we'll store the firmware with the parameters on the platters and simply start counting block zero after this data space." It works. I was astonished, twice (once at the cleverness and second at my stupidity for not thinking of it before hand), when scsi told me about it. Gayle really digs disk drive internals. Erm, and by accident I latched on to a copy of the Micropolis code for one of the last disks they made. "It's in there." And I've NEVER shared it. 'T would not be right to do that. >> and barring nvram on the drive it is stored on the actual platters. > > This is exactly my point. There is cause for reasonable doubt that it isn't > stored on > the platters. See my "Duh" reaction above. Why spend MORE money for nvram when there is a nice rotating non-volatile store quite handy. It can bootstrap nicely several ways. 1) Read parameters so it knows when to step heads from block zero or zero and one. Then load the operating firmware, switch to it, and run normally. 2) Read the first few blocks to read a firmware bootloader then load parameters into the firmware bootloader. Finally proceed as in 1. This requires less EPROM storage than option 1. >> >> As for storing it - read block zero of the disk. >> >> Be DAMN careful not to WRITE to block zero. And if you DO write >> >> to block zero at about the time I quit doing such low level stuff >> >> and moved to other things there were several SCSI hard disk >> >> manufacturers using code that had a defect such that if you wrote >> >> more than one disk block starting at block 0 the whole disk was >> >> toast until you did a fresh low level format on it. One sincerely >> >> hopes THAT defect is gone these days.) >> >> >> >> {O.O} Joanne >> > >> > Reading through ATA/ATAPI -7 has helped me rephrase my questions into >> > one: When the command READ NATIVE MAX ADDRESS is issued to the device, >> > from where is this information returned? >> >> It may be cached somewhere for quick returns. > > Yes, but it also may be stored in the hard drive's CMOS. No-such-aminal. Costs to much when you have all those gigabytes of rotating storage so handy. {^_-} I was being facetious mentioning the concept of nvram. >> There are tools for tuning >> disk performance for both ATA and SCSI disks that can alter the operating >> parameters. Some options read OS cached values. Others dig down and issue >> the 'standard' query commands and read the actual values off the disk. The >> disk is the final arbiter, in modern terms. When doing the configuration >> utility that became arguably the most popular one for the Amiga I ran >> across some small number of hard disks that returned off by 1 values for >> size. (Micropolis was one offender at one time.) And I also ran across >> drives delivered with only the first few megabytes formatted. So I built >> into the configuration utility an actual search for the last readable >> block. I used the lesser of that value and the value the drive declared >> to Read Capacity commands. At least the formats it generated were safe. >> (I think it was either Maxtor or CDC/Seagate that had the partially >> formatted drives escape from their factory.) >> > > It is possible the the factory settings for the capacity of a hard drive > are > stored in a chip, which I'm calling CMOS, on the circuit board attached to > the hard drive. This information is then modified and saved to an > inaccessible portion of the hard drive's platters or to another area of the > hard > drive's CMOS using the ATA command SET MAX ADDRESS, SET MAX ADDRESS > EXT > for 48 bit mode, or similar command. Then when the command IDENTIFY DEVICE > is > sent to the drive, it reports a smaller size to the caller. It is not cost effective. >> I hope this answers questions enough so that the next question is more >> obvious. (And in retrospect - the drive is the only thing that knows >> the precise formatting parameters. So it is quite logical that the >> original source for the size data is the drive itself. This is not >> always, in my experience, a constant for all revisions of the same >> model of drive.) >> >> {^_^} Joanne > > -- > ~ Ian Graeme Hilt {^_^} Joanne From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 03:58:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E05A516A403 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:58:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F4FD43D46 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:58:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.208.251]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B7825864B1; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:58:18 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 83847-08; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:57:03 -0300 (ADT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-137-86-60.eastlink.ca [24.137.86.60]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2372D585A66; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:57:03 -0300 (ADT) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1027) id B3C823BCA1; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:57:02 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE2D935323; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:57:02 -0300 (ADT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:57:02 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" X-X-Sender: freebsd@ganymede.hub.org To: Napoleon Dynamite In-Reply-To: <200609111959.53311.groundedforlife@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20060912005554.B1031@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20060911231953.M1031@ganymede.hub.org> <200609111959.53311.groundedforlife@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RSS feeds for "important sites"? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:58:20 -0000 On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Napoleon Dynamite wrote: > On Monday 11 September 2006 19:21, Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> I'm trying to get my rss reader configured up so that I no longer miss >> anything ... or, at least, make it easier to keep on top of everything ... >> >> I can't seem to find stuff like DaemonNews and such ... >> >> Does anyone have a list of BSD related RSS feeds that they'd be willing to >> share? >> >> Thankx ... >> > > Hi Mark, > > I think you're asking about all the BSDs, so here is what I have. > For FreeBSD I use the RSS feeds off the main project page, for NetBSD off > theirs, and for OpenBSD, which doesn't have any on their page, I get them off > of http://undeadly.org (the busiest of these first three.) I also subscribe > to the BSD related feeds off of Secunia. I don't know DragonflyBSD well > enough to point you anywhere. > Other than that I haven't found any others. > The security feeds are the best because the instant I get one on FreeBSD, I > recompile userland and the kernel. Actually, in this case, I'm more interested in FreeBSD stuff ... but, for instance, I can't find an RSS feed for Daemonnews or bsdnews, whcih would be cool ... an RSS feed for the 'In the News' section on the FreeBSD site would be cool ... that sort of thing ... Thanks ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 04:04:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F10A16A403 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 04:04:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7370443D49 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 04:04:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.208.251]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE2D75864AD; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:04:44 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 85597-06; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:03:28 -0300 (ADT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-137-86-60.eastlink.ca [24.137.86.60]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C705864C8; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:03:28 -0300 (ADT) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1027) id AC86848168; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:05:15 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A61CF357E0; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:05:15 -0300 (ADT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:05:15 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" X-X-Sender: freebsd@ganymede.hub.org To: Leo Mrafko In-Reply-To: <20060912034231.A9958@kesp.elf.stuba.sk> Message-ID: <20060912000447.T1031@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20060911212825.T1031@ganymede.hub.org> <20060912030247.V9574@kesp.elf.stuba.sk> <20060911221731.B1031@ganymede.hub.org> <20060912034231.A9958@kesp.elf.stuba.sk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrade server from i386 -> amd64 kernel ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 04:04:46 -0000 On Tue, 12 Sep 2006, Leo Mrafko wrote: > Yes, I've done it a few months ago.. Just read through the files.. As far > as I remember you need to build amd64 world, then kernel, installworld, > installkernel, reboot, voila, it works.. I had some small problems which I > don't remember now, you will able to solve them for sure. Maybe don't > forget to backup your data first ;-) Actually, no data yet ... having a new CD burned as I type this, and will do a clean install ... > > On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > >> >> 'k, I knew about cross-compiling, just wasn't sure if it was that simple >> to upgrade the system being cross-compiled onto ... thanks ... >> >> On Tue, 12 Sep 2006, Leo Mrafko wrote: >> >>> Yes, in fact it's pretty simple, quoting /usr/src/Makefile: >>> >>> # If TARGET_ARCH=arch (e.g. ia64, sparc64, ...) is specified you can >>> # cross build world for other architectures using the buildworld target, >>> # and once the world is built you can cross build a kernel using the >>> # buildkernel target. >>> >>> Just read through /usr/src/Makefile and /usr/src/UPDATING. >>> >>> Leo. >>> >>> On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Marc G. Fournier wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Just had a new 64bit server installed at the colo, but they accidentally >>>> installed a i386 ISO, instead of an AMD64 one ... is it possible to build >>>> / install an amd64 world, or do I have to re-install from a proper ISO >>>> first ? >>>> >>>> Thanks ... >>>> >>>> ---- >>>> Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) >>>> Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org >>>> Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> >> ---- >> Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) >> Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org >> Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 04:37:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8E416A407 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 04:37:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dgl@kirk.dlee.org) Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADED043D49 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 04:37:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dgl@kirk.dlee.org) Received: from kirk.dlee.org ([141.156.39.56]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J5G00GSLQ62II54@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 23:37:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from kirk.dlee.org (dgl@localhost.dlee.org [127.0.0.1]) by kirk.dlee.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8C4bDsR086772 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:37:13 -0400 (EDT envelope-from dgl@kirk.dlee.org) Received: (from dgl@localhost) by kirk.dlee.org (8.13.6/8.12.11/Submit) id k8C4bDMX086771 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:37:13 -0400 (EDT envelope-from dgl) Content-return: prohibited Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:37:12 -0400 From: Doug Lee To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mail-followup-to: Doug Lee , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-id: <20060912043712.GV58206@kirk.dlee.org> Organization: SSB + BART Group MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Subject: Baud rate change on ex-console line without reboot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 04:37:40 -0000 I use a serial console (sio0 flag 0x10, /boot/loader.conf console="comconsole", /boot.config -h, /etc/make.conf BOOT_COMCONSOLE_SPEED=115200), but I suddenly have need to quit doing that that and to use that line for a serial output device at 9600 baud. I am trying to do this without a reboot. Is this possible? I have tried using Screen to grab console output into a window so it isn't routed to the serial line, and setting baud rates on /dev/tty*0 devices, * being d, id, ld, ua (always "device busy"), ala, and aia. I can get speeds to change on initial-state and lock-state devices but not on callin/out devices, and as indicated, I can't seem to free cuaa0. The device I want to connect is an output-only (computer --> device) item; namely, a text-to-speech device. Am I missing something, or is this one of those happily few occasions where one really must reboot the OS? -- Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org SSB + BART Group doug.lee@ssbbartgroup.com http://www.ssbbartgroup.com "While they were saying among themselves it cannot be done, it was done." --Helen Keller From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 06:02:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 678DC16A403 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 06:02:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.web-strider.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B67CB43D45 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 06:02:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from coolf89ea26645 (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id k8C626x98443; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 23:02:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Message-ID: <000e01c6d630$e70274f0$3c01a8c0@coolf89ea26645> From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Lee Shackelford" References: Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 23:01:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: installing 6.1 on Compaq Proliant 5000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 06:02:10 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Shackelford" To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" Cc: Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 9:23 AM Subject: Re: installing 6.1 on Compaq Proliant 5000 > Good morning, Mr. Mittelstaedt. Again, many thanks for your response to my > question. My original purpose in purchasing the computer was to install > multiple operating systems for hobbyist purpose. The computer's major > selling point was that it has five hard drives. My original idea was to > install a different operating system on each one. When I discovered that > it had the rather sophisticated RAID-5 system implemented in hardware, I > discarded that idea in favor of partitioning the hard drive to install the > operating systems. The next operating system that I wanted after Windows > Server 2000, with which it came equipped was FreeBSD. This project has > become painfully involved, first of all, because I did not understand the > fact, documented nowhere, that the BIOS of a computer intended to be a > server is totally different from the BIOS of a computer intended to be a > workstation. With experience, and with information eventually traded > across the internet from other computer enthusiasts trying to do the same > thing, I have eventually gained enough understanding of the BIOS to > proceed. OK, you bought the computer to install operating systems on to do - what? Seems to me you wanted to install them to LEARN. Well, a computer OS is an integral part of the computer - like ying and yang, each requires the other. How exactly did you think that you were going to be able to learn anything whatsoever of value about an operating system by completely ignoring the hardware it was running on? Seems to me your money has been well spent on training. I'm sorry if the training isn't teaching you things that you think you thought you needed to know. But guess what, life is like that. Let me put it another way. If I needed to hire someone to install a Windows server, which would be a better choice? Someone who actually knows that server BIOS's are somewhat different than Workstation BIOSES? Someone who has actually installed a server OS and solved problems with getting it to work on hardware they are unfamiliar with? Or, some newly-minted MSCSE who has only installed Windows on his desktop computer, but by golly, knows all the definitions in the Microsoft literature? Think about it. > The process has also been stymied by the fact that the developers > of the boot program for sysinstall have failed, even in its latest edition, > to install in BOOT the necessary features to read the output of a Compaq > server BIOS, in particular the ability to correctly interpret the size of > memory. The developers know all about the Compaq issues. Those are first of all solved in the latest Compaq BIOSES that ship with the current HP/Compaq servers. Secondly, there's workarounds. Thirdly, Compaq did it wrong back then. What good reason do we want to break sysinstall to have it do things the wrong way, so that it can work with old Compaq gear? > Thanks to you, other respondents, and experience, I feel that I > now have a grip of that issue. My latest problem stems from the fact that > I had intended to install a portion of the BSD operating system in a > primary Windows partition (BSD slice) below the 1024 cylinder limit, and > the rest of it in a larger Windows logical partition within the extended > partition, above 1024 cylinders. You need to throw most of this cylinder nonsense out the window it is meaningless to any OS that will run on that hardware, with the exception of DOS. > Even though the handbook, as well as > several other documents, clearly states that the operating system cannot be > loaded into a logical partition, the implication of that statement did not > register in my brain until I tried to do it. More learning that a lot of more advanced techs than you still don't understand. > I wonder if system designers > realize the extent to which the requirements that the entire system, or at > least the boot BSD partition be loaded below 1024 cylinders, and the > requirement that the operating system not be loaded into the extended > Windows partition are in conflict in a multiple operating system > environment. They do. They don't care. Multiple boot systems are for the birds. Mostly what happens is that people load multiple OS's on a system, intending to use all of them, then discover 3-4 months into it that it's too much of a PIA to keep rebooting all the time to get into a different system, and end up spending all their time in one system. If you really want multiple OS, buy multiple computers and plug them into a single console with a KVM switch. Much more practical. But, by all means, do it anyway, you probably won't really understand what I mean when I say they are for the birds until you have experienced a multiboot system. One again, more learning. > Some documentation says that the 1024 cylinder limit does not > apply in many cases, but it never says when it applies and when it does not > apply. It doesen't apply to anything that talks to the disk directly. It only applies when the system is running BIOS code out of the BIOS, and that only happens in the first second or so of the bootstrap. Once the operating system device driver is online and talking to the disk array card, it's entirely up to the device driver whether it's going to honor the partition layout that the BIOS has put on the disk. Some drivers do, some don't. Some do sometimes with some hardware and not with others. In this case it would be dumb to pay attention to it because the Compaq intelligent array controller can create arrays larger than the 120GB limit that is inherent in BIOS. > I feel, that to make this system work, I will have to use some type > of exotic partition manager such as Ranish or XOSL that can create a large > number of primary partitions. You can try that. Good luck I would bet that it won't work on this system. But, don't let me saying that these partition managers are worthless junk stop you from trying one out. One again, it's a good learning experience. Ted > I had originally wished to stick with GNU > tools such as parted and grub. I realize my explanation is a bit long > winded, but I hope it clarifies my goals. Yours truly, Lee Shackelford > > > > "Ted > Mittelstaedt" > o.com> , > "Lee Shackelford" > 09/06/2006 11:07 > PM cc > > Subject > Re: installing 6.1 on Compaq > Proliant 5000 > > > > > > > > > > > This isn't unusual, it happens with certain array cards. > > If the disk drivers of each different operating system don't agree in how > the "disk" is laid out that the intelligent driver array controller > presents > to > them, then your screwed - you cannot use the array card for a multi-boot > system. > > Sometimes you can get away with it by installing FreeBSD on part of > the disk, and a subsequent disk driver will see the FreeBSD partition and > understand not to overwrite it. But, sometimes not. > > It strikes me that Win 2003 Server is going to run dogpile slow, I > simply cannot fathom why you want to multiboot this system in the > first place. The only OS's that are going to run worth a damn on it > are Linux and FreeBSD, and you just need to pick one or the > other. > > Ted > > PS: You do understand the difference between FreeBSD > slices, FreeBSD partitions, and IBM/BIOS partitions don't you? > That is your not doing something incorrect like trying to install > another OS within a FreeBSD "logical slice" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lee Shackelford" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 10:00 AM > Subject: installing 6.1 on Compaq Proliant 5000 > > > > > > Initial message posted on 8/24/2006: > > Good morning dear FreeBSD enthusiasts. I am attempting to install > FreeBSD > > 6.1 on a Compaq Proliant 5000. The computer is equipped with four > Pentium > > Pro processors clocked at 200 mhz and with a Smart 2/P hardware-RAID > array. > > The BIOS indicates that the first two processors have failed. They are > > actually okay, but there is something wrong with their socket on the > > motherboard... > > > > Current message: > > Thank you to the two people who responded to my original message. With > > their help, I have progressed to the point of specifying the slice into > > which I want the system installed. There are three primary slices on > this > > computer, plus one extended slice. The three primary slices all end > within > > the 1024 cylinder limit. The two primary slices that do not contain > > FreeBSD are reserved for the installation of other operating systems. I > > wish to place the swap slice/partition in the extended slice. The fdisk > > program supplied with FreeBSD sees all of the extended slice as one > slice, > > and does not seem to be able to see the logical slices within it. Most > of > > my 15 gb. drive is in the extended slice. Does anyone know how to solve > > this problem? All suggestions are appreciated. Yours truly, Lee > > Shackelford > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 07:15:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6556116A40F for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:15:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E438143D45 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:15:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1GN2Ua-0000uA-FI for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:15:36 +0100 Received: from esperance.zetnet.co.uk (54-144.adsl.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.54.144]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.13.6/8.13.6/Debian-1) with SMTP id k8C7FYp1010454 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:15:34 +0100 Received: (qmail 75814 invoked by uid 1001); 12 Sep 2006 07:15:28 -0000 From: "Frank Shute" Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:15:28 +0100 To: Jeff Rollin Message-ID: <20060912071528.GA75788@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <8a0028260609111328x44c8b425k3e6a07c61aac197e@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8a0028260609111328x44c8b425k3e6a07c61aac197e@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p3 i386 X-Organisation: 'Esperance Linux' X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (zetnet.co.uk [194.247.46.1]); Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:15:34 +0100 (BST) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Re: Extensions and Themes in Firefox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:15:37 -0000 On Mon, Sep 11, 2006 at 09:28:22PM +0100, Jeff Rollin wrote: > > Hi list, > > I'm using FBSD 6.1-RELEASE and I'm having trouble downloading extensions and > themes in firefox (installed from packages). They all complain that they're > not "supported in Unknown". > > Any ideas on how to fix this, please? > > TIA > What's your user agent showing?: http://www.esperance-linux.co.uk/misc/UserAgent.html -- Frank echo "f r a n k @ e s p e r a n c e - l i n u x . c o . u k" | sed 's/ //g' --->PGP keyID: 0x10BD6F4B<--- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 07:22:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 188D316A47E for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:22:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from strange.daemonsecurity.com (59.Red-81-33-11.staticIP.rima-tde.net [81.33.11.59]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2EDA43D62 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:22:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [192.168.7.193] (68.Red-80-34-55.staticIP.rima-tde.net [80.34.55.68]) by strange.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC602E024; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:22:01 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <45066012.3050904@locolomo.org> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:21:54 +0200 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Marc G. Fournier" References: <20060911231953.M1031@ganymede.hub.org> In-Reply-To: <20060911231953.M1031@ganymede.hub.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RSS feeds for "important sites"? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:22:07 -0000 Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > I'm trying to get my rss reader configured up so that I no longer miss > anything ... or, at least, make it easier to keep on top of everything ... > > I can't seem to find stuff like DaemonNews and such ... > > Does anyone have a list of BSD related RSS feeds that they'd be willing > to share? There are FreeBSD feeds on the freebsd site. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org X.509 Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/8D03551FFCE04F0C.crt Key ID: 69:79:B8:2C:E3:8F:E7:BE:5D:C3:C3:B1:74:62:B8:3F:9F:1F:69:B9 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 07:28:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00FC416A40F for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:28:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arindam.mukerjee@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5735343D70 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:28:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from arindam.mukerjee@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so2354841pye for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:28:56 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=iQOGxcsPBLOvajps0IOPQKzf4gCB2DNMxZBhhN/Y/UJr2DlGaGRKe+ldVC302dcvBxZd0woyn7kHVQNMNSq8S1n/3rsjqBEarGpJjrmkXUnVn/43U+W7Sj85xbmdCF+QWkutE+LIos4lv1UN9QCpbIw2SARhVNqjtIpg0D3n5Xk= Received: by 10.35.76.10 with SMTP id d10mr10367813pyl; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:28:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.13.20 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:28:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:58:55 +0530 From: Arindam To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: X Configuration Woes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:28:57 -0000 I am an absolute FreeBSD Newbie and I decided to give it a try over a lazy weekend - mainly because I don't want to throw away my old PIII box. I picked up FreeBSD 5.4 which was all I got and I am dual booting it with RHEL4.3. My box is rather old ... P3 733 Mhz with 256 megs of SDRAM@100MHz, and I installed FreeBSD on the first 6.5 Gigs of my Seagate harddrive ... connected to the Primary master IDE interface. Now I had these two FreeBSD 5.4 ISOs ... CD1 and CD2, and I booted from CD1 directly and did the install. There is no automatic X configuration in the installer so I tried running it manually. 1. I tried running "Xorg -configure". For some reason "Xorg -configure" threw an error: xf86EnableIO: could not open /dev/io for extended IO. However, when I did run: ls -l /dev/io I got: crw------- root wheel 246, 14 /dev/io 2. Never figured out what went wrong there but instead used "xorgconfig" and that "worked", as in, it wrote my config file. Here are my Screen details: *** Samsung Samtron 45Bn monitor (33-55 KHz HorSyncRate, 50-120 Hz Vert Refresh Rate). *** Cirrus Logic GD 5465 graphics card on a PCI slot - with 4MB video memory. *** For one, I have an immovable mouse ... it is an old haggardly Logitech 3-button serial mouse and I could not make it work. Don't know which is the device name to use for the port it is connected to. Should it be /dev/tty00 or /dev/cuad0 or /dev/sysmouse or /dev/mse0? So could not configure it. - Tried running sysinstall to configure it but that would not work either ... tried Logitech, Microsoft and MouseMan protocols and /dev/tty00 and /dev/cuad0 for device names ... all combinations. Did not work. I would have liked to attach my xorg.conf file but don't have access to it right away. I guess there are no probs in it ... I read through the relevant sections of it and from what I remember of my RedHat Linux 6.0 days, this file seems fine. 3. Finally I tried changing the /etc/ttys file and for /dev/ttyv8, turned xterm "on" from "off". ==>> Now each time I boot into FreeBSD, I get a flickering blank, black screen with nothing on it. I keep try [Ctrl+] Alt + F ...n=1..12 ... but no success. ==>> I keep trying Ctrl + Alt + Backspace ... but no breakthrough. ==>> I tried Ctrl + Alt + KP_+/- also, with the Num Lock on ... but again no respite. Some observations: 1. While the screen continuously flickers, the Num Lock of the Keyboard keeps blinking too (if it was on, to start with). 2. A while back, when I had not yet configured X with xorgconfig and just like that switched on "xterm" on /dev/ttyv8, I rememeber the getty program was respawning too quickly, due to which it was going into 30 second sleeps. So I switched xterm off. Of course, after that I found xorgconfig. 3. Here are the modes I have allowed in xorgconfig: a. 8 bit - 800x600, 640x480 (removed 1024x768, 1280x1024) b. 16 bit (default) - 800x600, 640x480 (removed 1024x768, 1280x1024) c. 24 bit - 800x600, 640x480 (removed 1024x768, 1280x1024) 4. Earlier, after completing xorgconfig, while xterm was off on ttyv8 in /etc/ttys, I tried: startx -- -depth 16 :1 vt10 and it gave me the same problems. 5. Finally, during sysinstall installation of the OS, I could not configure moused with my mouse ... and while I would briefly see a tiny pointer, I would not see it move with my mouse movements. If you can wade through this gibberish, please help. Cheers, Andy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 07:32:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3783816A407 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:32:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arindam.mukerjee@gmail.com) Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.239]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE8F43D45 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:32:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from arindam.mukerjee@gmail.com) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id a10so430793qbd for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:32:27 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=M+J4HE0/R4NxhM89RPM9EEieyulIdC8dpQgZF200zvvRIgNAlq8BtybBCPytirEe+8MX+K1HkZEAEv+ZX4sqYKBlEs8bJDau63U3TqMxFIlPDVwY7A9uHzUi/e438wdz15o433xkmBghmEvMxsRm0YD+rOMdkwc8JErCFMx//EY= Received: by 10.35.46.11 with SMTP id y11mr10360263pyj; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:30:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.13.20 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:30:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:00:43 +0530 From: Arindam To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Subject: Re: X Configuration Woes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:32:28 -0000 > I am an absolute FreeBSD Newbie and I decided to give it a try over a > lazy weekend - mainly because I don't want to throw away my old PIII > box. I picked up FreeBSD 5.4 which was all I got and I am dual booting > it with RHEL4.3. My box is rather old ... P3 733 Mhz with 256 megs of > SDRAM@100MHz, and I installed FreeBSD on the first 6.5 Gigs of my > Seagate harddrive ... connected to the Primary master IDE interface. > > .... > > If you can wade through this gibberish, please help. > > > Cheers, > Andy > Some updates: Following this I did a fresh install using the FreeBSD6.1 CD1. Xorg installed is 6.9.0. I did not run xorgconfig or anything. There was no /etc/X11/xorg.conf either. From the command-line I ran "xdm" and the GUI started ... I could login ... and then that's about it. 1. The Mouse still does not work ... may be I should try MouseSystems protocol. 2. What should I do about GNOME / KDE etc. I am not aching to get a jazzy a GUI on my FreeBSD installation. I can make do with a very minimal one. But I want a minimal one at least now, I just have to get this running or I can't sleep. Cheers, Andy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 08:40:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E7AC16A415 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:40:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@voidcaptain.com) Received: from mx4.x15.net (mx4.x15.net [69.55.237.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 305B943D45 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:40:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@voidcaptain.com) Received: from [63.196.213.76] by mx4.x15.net with ESMTP id 608060222X1GN3c3000N1QBa; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:27:24 +0000 Message-ID: <45066F0F.9060109@voidcaptain.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:25:51 -0700 From: Pete Slagle MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rance@frontiernet.net" References: <8a0028260609111328x44c8b425k3e6a07c61aac197e@mail.gmail.com> <20060911211916.xbvk6migrqw4k000@webmail.frontiernet.net> <86fyeyrsdo.fsf@presario.homeunix.org> <20060912021601.3qphot44b7s40wgs@webmail.frontiernet.net> In-Reply-To: <20060912021601.3qphot44b7s40wgs@webmail.frontiernet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Extensions and Themes in Firefox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:40:16 -0000 rance@frontiernet.net wrote: > uninstall firefox > > then make sure linux binary compatibility is enabled, the easiest way > to do that is with sysinstall. (read the handbook for more info on > this step) > > Now cd into /usr/ports/www > and look at any port whose name starts with "linux" > > the ones I found most helpful where: > linux-firefox > linux-flashplugin7 > linuxpluginwrapper > > you might also want to look at > linux-mplayer-plugin if you use mplayer for windows media files Another,(possibly heretical) approach is to take 10 minutes to slap Ubuntu (or the like) on your desktop box. Out of the gate it easily runs Firefox, multimedia, cutting edge video drivers, wi-fi, and a bunch of apps that are troublesome to configure on FreeBSD. You can then install VMware Server (also painless) and run a local FreeBSD VM for quick desktop access when you need the Real Thing. It's easy to SSH and VNC back and forth and open X windows between the two systems and have the best of both worlds. Don't get me wrong; I far prefer working in FreeBSD to any other system, and spend most of my time there. But life is just easier when you have more tools close to your work area. It's simple to set up, and has been rock solid for me. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 08:54:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C944416A412; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:54:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leichtzumerken@t-online.de) Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com (mailout02.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 124ED43D46; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:54:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from leichtzumerken@t-online.de) Received: from fwd29.aul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1GN422-0002vV-09; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:54:14 +0200 Received: from noname (Eq0m3QZTYetY7hFjjoPbile2ZiWR4JQmHYnyip7hecI2TjP3CQAC0q@[84.170.150.202]) by fwd29.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1GN41x-22flqK0; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:54:09 +0200 From: Michael Rudolph To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:54:07 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <20060911231953.M1031@ganymede.hub.org> <200609111959.53311.groundedforlife@verizon.net> <20060912005554.B1031@ganymede.hub.org> In-Reply-To: <20060912005554.B1031@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary="Boundary-00=_vWnBF+aMuWZ++/8" Message-Id: <200609121054.07954.leichtzumerken@t-online.de> X-ID: Eq0m3QZTYetY7hFjjoPbile2ZiWR4JQmHYnyip7hecI2TjP3CQAC0q X-TOI-MSGID: 14f1c426-1472-4db7-bf55-f7f3d4fa9ba6 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "Marc G. Fournier" Subject: Re: RSS feeds for "important sites"? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:54:16 -0000 --Boundary-00=_vWnBF+aMuWZ++/8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday 12 September 2006 05:57, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Napoleon Dynamite wrote: > > On Monday 11 September 2006 19:21, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > >> I'm trying to get my rss reader configured up so that I no longer > >> miss anything ... or, at least, make it easier to keep on top of > >> everything ... > >> > >> I can't seem to find stuff like DaemonNews and such ... > >> > >> Does anyone have a list of BSD related RSS feeds that they'd be > >> willing to share? > >> > >> Thankx ... > > > > Hi Mark, > > > > I think you're asking about all the BSDs, so here is what I have. > > For FreeBSD I use the RSS feeds off the main project page, for > > NetBSD off theirs, and for OpenBSD, which doesn't have any on their > > page, I get them off of http://undeadly.org (the busiest of these > > first three.) I also subscribe to the BSD related feeds off of > > Secunia. I don't know DragonflyBSD well enough to point you > > anywhere. > > Other than that I haven't found any others. > > The security feeds are the best because the instant I get one on > > FreeBSD, I recompile userland and the kernel. > > Actually, in this case, I'm more interested in FreeBSD stuff ... but, > for instance, I can't find an RSS feed for Daemonnews or bsdnews, > whcih would be cool ... an RSS feed for the 'In the News' section on > the FreeBSD site would be cool ... that sort of thing ... > > Thanks ... > Hi Marc, the newsfeeds you are looking for should be relatively easy to find on their respective websites, at least I managed to find them. Right now both feeds seem to be unfetchable, but attached you'll find all my FreeBSD feeds as an opml file, so as soon as they are back online, you can start reading. Should the mailinglist software cut off the attachment, feel free to contact me off list. michael --Boundary-00=_vWnBF+aMuWZ++/8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="bsd_feeds.opml" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="bsd_feeds.opml" --Boundary-00=_vWnBF+aMuWZ++/8-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 08:58:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01BB516A417 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:58:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from subhro.kar@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3078443D4C for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:58:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from subhro.kar@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n29so1488851nfc for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:58:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Q+Y48F0NpVZ9WZe8NrTr+C9/Ax2xVS4ZXh0PVMuqww3Elat2r+WlJbfHSsVL9s27hcbA6atXnCooHksSLLA3CNzciJ/3crlaZx0jpYXw4KvyfWmWspUv1b41ffTwy9EwnoxZeAWL+I2QxjP67vec+AbMOBY7GuUg0kqGx8a8gMU= Received: by 10.48.48.15 with SMTP id v15mr9293108nfv; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:58:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.60.11 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:58:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:28:41 +0530 From: Subhro To: Arindam In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X Configuration Woes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:58:44 -0000 On 9/12/06, Arindam wrote: > > 1. The Mouse still does not work ... may be I should try MouseSystems protocol. > You need to put the proper protocol in xorg.conf > 2. What should I do about GNOME / KDE etc. I am not aching to get a > jazzy a GUI on my FreeBSD installation. I can make do with a very > minimal one. But I want a minimal one at least now, I just have to get > this running or I can't sleep. Try ratpoison if you are more keyboard friendly or try out enlightenment if you are mouse friendly. Cheers!! Subhro -- Subhro Kar Security Engineer iViZ Techno Solutions Pvt. Ltd. Dhanshree Bldg, 1st Floor Plot XI-16, Sector V Salt Lake City 700091 India From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 09:01:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84EF616A412 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:01:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C550343D4C for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:01:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8C91gMj051212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:01:42 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.3/8.12.11) id k8C91gXr004122; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:01:42 +0700 (ICT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:01:42 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200609120901.k8C91gXr004122@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Subject: Slow install of Ruby 18 from ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:01:46 -0000 Hi, I am upgrading a few servers. I have noticed that on pentium III, it takes a VERY long time to upgrade Ruby 1.8. It blocks at some stage saying: zlib.c: mcccccccccccccccccc................................................................................... Generating RI... Eventually it will finich installing. I am running RELENG 4.11 p21. Any clue? TIA Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 09:18:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75DB816A407 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:18:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd@todoo.biz) Received: from newmail.rmm.fr (newmail.rmm.fr [195.115.46.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C44A443D45 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:18:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsd@todoo.biz) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by newmail.rmm.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F033828828 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:18:05 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new 2.4.2 (20060627) at rmm.fr Received: from newmail.rmm.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (newmail.rmm.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i0E4DNXE5h8R for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:18:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.16.1.201] (me.todoo.biz [82.66.93.242]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by newmail.rmm.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD24928813 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:18:05 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <377AA521-83A6-45A6-9892-A1B167607EFD@todoo.biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Liste FreeBSD From: bsd Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:17:59 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Subject: Ambiguous output redirect X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:18:11 -0000 I don't understand why when I execute this script I have an =20 "Ambiguous output redirect." ? p0f -l 'tcp dst port 25' 2>&1 | /usr/local/sbin/p0f-analyzer.pl 2345 & Can you help ? ________________________________________________ =AB?=BB=A5=AB?=BB=A7=AB?=BB=A5=AB?=BB=A7=AB?=BB=A5=AB?=BB=A7=AB?=BB=A5=AB?= =BB=A7=AB?=BB=A5=AB?=BB=A7=AB?=BB=A5=AB?=BB=A7 =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF= =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF Gregober ---> PGP ID --> 0x1BA3C2FD bsd @at@ todoo.biz ________________________________________________ =AB?=BB=A5=AB?=BB=A7=AB?=BB=A5=AB?=BB=A7=AB?=BB=A5=AB?=BB=A7=AB?=BB=A5=AB?= =BB=A7=AB?=BB=A5=AB?=BB=A7=AB?=BB=A5=AB?=BB=A7 =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF= =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF P "Please consider your environmental responsibility before printing =20 this e-mail" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 09:20:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0425916A416 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:20:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.231]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE8BF43D73 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:20:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so1961413wxd for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:20:26 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=az9TXD8sbp5bZPwqeH4Ka1UqB8p1li4s60De51bApVdkfIY1vi/kzGr6FPwjLhyRTyLKw7WIktME/X/lLt1sn5OtCpiRpGOMyjK4P01sg0vNxjt+E5p6OhgCUw6lYWNE181ooB54wAo8ucOH62SjrazCHHrvisbjQ2MNead6YIw= Received: by 10.90.117.11 with SMTP id p11mr1988791agc; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:20:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.98.12 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:20:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8a0028260609120220p3dbba37fv4ad5882e48e5dd65@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:20:25 +0100 From: "Jeff Rollin" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <45066F0F.9060109@voidcaptain.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8a0028260609111328x44c8b425k3e6a07c61aac197e@mail.gmail.com> <20060911211916.xbvk6migrqw4k000@webmail.frontiernet.net> <86fyeyrsdo.fsf@presario.homeunix.org> <20060912021601.3qphot44b7s40wgs@webmail.frontiernet.net> <45066F0F.9060109@voidcaptain.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Extensions and Themes in Firefox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:20:36 -0000 On 12/09/06, Pete Slagle wrote: > > rance@frontiernet.net wrote: > > > uninstall firefox > > > > then make sure linux binary compatibility is enabled, the easiest way > > to do that is with sysinstall. (read the handbook for more info on > > this step) > > > > Now cd into /usr/ports/www > > and look at any port whose name starts with "linux" > > > > the ones I found most helpful where: > > linux-firefox > > linux-flashplugin7 > > linuxpluginwrapper > > > > you might also want to look at > > linux-mplayer-plugin if you use mplayer for windows media files > > Another,(possibly heretical) approach is to take 10 minutes to slap > Ubuntu (or the like) on your desktop box. Out of the gate it easily runs > Firefox, multimedia, cutting edge video drivers, wi-fi, and a bunch of > apps that are troublesome to configure on FreeBSD. > > You can then install VMware Server (also painless) and run a local > FreeBSD VM for quick desktop access when you need the Real Thing. It's > easy to SSH and VNC back and forth and open X windows between the two > systems and have the best of both worlds. > > Don't get me wrong; I far prefer working in FreeBSD to any other system, > and spend most of my time there. But life is just easier when you have > more tools close to your work area. It's simple to set up, and has been > rock solid for me. Well, I'm sorry you've all been beavering away offering helpful suggestions, because following rance's first suggestion i installed linux-firefox instead. Coincidentally, Pete - this FreeBSD install is already on a VMware image! The bare hardware is running SuSE. I had intended to run FreeBSD on the bare hardware, but it doesn't recognise either of the two wireless NICs (one was bought for use with Linux/BSD, the other is a Broadcom, argh!). As an aside, before finding that SuSE works with the PC card wifi NIC, I used FreeBSD on a VMware image in XP (thank God those days are over). It (FreeBSD) runs faster in VMware (which I understand is a customised Linux), running on SuSE Linux than XP did on the bare hardware. Go figure. In fact I just can't believe how fast it is - it used to crawl running Enlightenment stuck on top of XP, now it flies running KDE. Thanks for your suggestions, all. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 09:35:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 591A516A407 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:35:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.234]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8117643D49 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:35:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so1965126wxd for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:35:25 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=mlYRbtCXININvfXb1hcvjeVb2KGZwIUXUUiyDKdWtAM3Mflu1fQgwqCEmp/GEMMsVwe40saZ3ddA0dG18F9doaBjC+wzCblrczYoZgqnAo8SD5SIlU9xrtX1jvM7PLp7jJo8ma6lhC6shHH3C8YJuUFR9B2QUkKj6VppBzRuXAg= Received: by 10.90.105.20 with SMTP id d20mr1994293agc; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:35:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.98.12 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:35:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8a0028260609120235g1724196bi17816ace8358aba7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:35:25 +0100 From: "Jeff Rollin" To: "Chuck Swiger" In-Reply-To: <9B73D1B3-5D50-4E56-A62B-70A3A07E6B34@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <000001c6d520$292f6700$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> <8a0028260609111215y6c3cdd82tda51f1e1d333ddd3@mail.gmail.com> <9B73D1B3-5D50-4E56-A62B-70A3A07E6B34@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:35:27 -0000 On 11/09/06, Chuck Swiger wrote: > > On Sep 11, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Jeff Rollin wrote: > > Discussions like these leave me lost for words... > > Perhaps, although it seems you recovered quickly. :-) Heh. Maybe I ought to have said "almost!" > Which is to say, apart from the occasional bug I really don't see > > what the > > problem is with sysinstall. > > Credits: It's highly functional. It can configure a lot of things > about a FreeBSD system, either during or after the installation of > the system. It's CLI/remote-serial-console friendly. Actually there is one problem with sysinstall: Access to certain features (such as (g)vinum) is not possible from it - FreeBSD seems to have had (g)vinum for almost as long - if not longer - than Linux has had LVM. Nowadays, outside of Slackware, it seems that everyone not only has support for LVM, but also allows you to put / in it. Debits: It's oriented towards technical people. People who don't > understand computers well in general, and the details of disk layouts > in particular, tend to get hopelessly confused. Hmm. Windows has a partitioner too. Even worse, unlike most Linux/BSD installers' counterparts, unless you want to do something really simple (like wipe everything that isn't Windows off the first hard drive and install it on the first partition there; ugh) in my "eXPerience" it doesn't. bloody. work. Of course it's possible/probable that people who come to FreeBSD/Linux have never reinstalled Windows, though I know some technically pretty unsavvy people who have, by necessity (thanks to viruses). Not only do they > usually not know how to access the help inside sysinstall, many times > the help text is not available, or is not comprehensible unless you > have the already-mentioned technical background. I guess I'm just jaded, I hardly notice... Fortunately, the outstanding docs available for FreeBSD do a lot to > walk people through the process, even novices. Unfortunately, people > want to use computers without having to read the docs. Just ask your > mom/grandparents/etc. :-) I know; the infuriating thing for me is that this also applies to people who WOULD read the manual for something as simple as a food mixer! > To me it's the best thing this side of YaST for > > getting (certain areas of) system administration done. (Yeah, I > > know a lot > > of you probably hate YaST in particular or Linux in general... > > Why would you think that? I'd imagine that most of the people using > FreeBSD end up having a Linux box or two around for one reason or > another. "Hate" is probably a strong word; nevertheless, a lot of BSD people I know/whose responses I've read on this and other lists don't rate Linux much. As for YaST, well, whatever gets the job done. It reminds me a bit > too much of SMIT from AIX, or perhaps cPanel or Webmin, but other > people seem to prefer such interfaces to a CLI prompt. The advantage of those over CLI's (I can't believe I'm saying this) is that what you can do is all laid out bare before you, instead of being squirrelled away in handbooks, FAQs, man and info pages, however good they may be. Jeff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 09:40:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E83416A596 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:40:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nejc@skoberne.net) Received: from illusion.skoberne.net (illusion.skoberne.net [84.255.205.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F051843D5C for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:40:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nejc@skoberne.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by illusion.skoberne.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2DD9B864 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:40:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from illusion.skoberne.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (illusion.skoberne.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18047-01 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:40:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.12.5] (stinker.skoberne.net [84.255.205.234]) by illusion.skoberne.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9292DB830 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:40:03 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <45068065.3030205@skoberne.net> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:39:49 +0200 From: Nejc Skoberne User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms090304010103060700080004" X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Page fault while in kernel mode X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:40:21 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms090304010103060700080004 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060801040204080900050503" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060801040204080900050503 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I am running 5.3-RELEASE on a P4 2.4GHz with 512 MB RAM. It is a normal PC hardware not a "real" server hardware. Today in the morning (while I was away from the console) kernel panicked and the output was "Page fault while in kernel mode" (the guy who wrote that down didn't write other information). The box was rebooted and the error appeared again in about 3 minutes. After second reboot everything seems to be back to normal. The load on this machine is quite low, about 0.1; it runs mail server, serves some web pages and does NAT via pf. Finally the question: what is more likely: that it is hardware which is causing troubles or that an upgrade to FreeBSD 5.5 (or eventually 6.1) would help? Or is there a third possibility? 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Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:00:06 -0000 On 11/09/06, backyard wrote: > > > > --- Chuck Swiger wrote: > > > On Sep 11, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Jeff Rollin wrote: > > > Discussions like these leave me lost for words... > > > > Perhaps, although it seems you recovered quickly. > > :-) > > > > > Which is to say, apart from the occasional bug I > > really don't see > > > what the > > > problem is with sysinstall. > > I'm in that club myself. It takes a few times to get > it down, but it is simple once you know the basic > steps of getting FreeBSD on a box. The trick is of > course understanding the basic steps which is where > most don't take the time to research. I know I read > through tha handbook a few times before I attempted my > first go, and I know I messed up royally even still. > But now its more frustrating to figure out what I want > to do while the packages are downloading then anything > else. Heh! Now it makes perfect sense to have > one partition and multiple slices. It makes an fstab > look a lot nicer. nothing more annoying then not > having say a linux box boot because you selected the > extended partitions number instead of the logical > drive contained therein... and keeping track of a > million partitions get old quick. Nowadays of course you can (almost) do this by having one /boot and one LVM partition, with the logical volumes within it. Plus, most filesystems allow for resizing (in both directions) and you can combine two or more disks into one volume group. > > > Fortunately, the outstanding docs available for > > FreeBSD do a lot to > > walk people through the process, even novices. > > Unfortunately, people > > want to use computers without having to read the > > docs. Just ask your > > mom/grandparents/etc. :-) > > > > most people want to use everything without reading the > manual. I think thats why there's labels on the > toaster not to stick a fork in it, or a tag to not use > a hair dryer in the shower... Personally I turn to the > Cadillac shop manual when I want to tune up my eldo, > it makes sense to me. I know software is the same way, > but most people don't want to take any time figuring > out what their doing; pardon my vulgarity but Taco > Bell exists for a reason, man pages... > > > > To me it's the best thing this side of YaST for > > > getting (certain areas of) system administration > > done. (Yeah, I > > > know a lot > > > of you probably hate YaST in particular or Linux > > in general... > > > > Why would you think that? I'd imagine that most of > > the people using > > FreeBSD end up having a Linux box or two around for > > one reason or > > another. > > I find it was for not reading the FreeBSD manuals... > if people think FreeBSD is hard I cannot imagine what > they think about Linux. Sure it has that flashy > install program, well except Gentoo and maybe a few > others, but upgrading the kernel can make setting up a > FreeBSD box from scratch WITHOUT the manuals seem like > a cake walk... Hmm. I'm pretty used to reconfiguring/upgrading the kenel on Linux, but never having done so in FBSD I'm a bit wary. I guess a lot of it depends on what you're used too. A lot of people using Linux these days, anyway, for good or ill probably don't reconfigure or upgrade the kernel - the distributors put everything but the kitchen sink in. These people would CERTAINLY be scared off by having to edit a text file to reconfigure the kernel, whereas these days in Linux you get a nice KDE window (make config is still horrible - but though it's uncommented (and undocumented) it's perfectly possible to reconfigure a linux kernel by editing /usr/src/.config) The nice thing about Linux is that in spite of all the noob-friendly gubbins, it's still possible to do things the same way you did 'em when FVWM was the hot news in the X Window world. Try getting the XP installer to let you choose which of several useless packages you want to forgo installing, a la Win9x. Jeff Rollin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 10:04:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BEFE16A51E for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:04:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arindam.mukerjee@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D0A43D64 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:04:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from arindam.mukerjee@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so2407670pye for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:04:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ugWxOPUrYuBE/uBAWx7CycIGdBVV1kzuwP8Y9H2WHYER2VBkTsGcuYCCHY5W+HWeFRGmGl2CDk87R6vyaa6efitB8n2BF9VuTJmF02+T5NaxJukru1kHd3GN5OQEjo8X4SoUuzjX34roRQyThOqa9l7BXIr+jchmkbgvLOtpBgQ= Received: by 10.35.10.17 with SMTP id n17mr10564863pyi; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.13.20 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:34:12 +0530 From: Arindam To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: The Ports collection / FreeBSD CDs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:04:20 -0000 I am a Linux user and have been recently trying to shift to FreeBSD. I got hold of a couple of FreeBSD CD ISOs (version 6.1) - their names being 6.1-RELEASE-i386-discX.iso, X being 1 and 2. I did my installation with the Disc1 alone. I did not need Disc2. What is the purpose of Disc2 and what can I do with it. I chose not to install the ports collection because as of now, I do not have access to Internet in my home-network and it would take a little while before I can set it up for browsing. Does Disc2 contain some of the ports collection? Finally, what is the ports collection? Cheers! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 10:14:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5706816A40F for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:14:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arindam.mukerjee@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2303443D62 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:14:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from arindam.mukerjee@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so2410956pye for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:14:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ugWxOPUrYuBE/uBAWx7CycIGdBVV1kzuwP8Y9H2WHYER2VBkTsGcuYCCHY5W+HWeFRGmGl2CDk87R6vyaa6efitB8n2BF9VuTJmF02+T5NaxJukru1kHd3GN5OQEjo8X4SoUuzjX34roRQyThOqa9l7BXIr+jchmkbgvLOtpBgQ= Received: by 10.35.10.17 with SMTP id n17mr10564863pyi; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.13.20 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:34:12 +0530 From: Arindam To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: The Ports collection / FreeBSD CDs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:14:24 -0000 I am a Linux user and have been recently trying to shift to FreeBSD. I got hold of a couple of FreeBSD CD ISOs (version 6.1) - their names being 6.1-RELEASE-i386-discX.iso, X being 1 and 2. I did my installation with the Disc1 alone. I did not need Disc2. What is the purpose of Disc2 and what can I do with it. I chose not to install the ports collection because as of now, I do not have access to Internet in my home-network and it would take a little while before I can set it up for browsing. Does Disc2 contain some of the ports collection? Finally, what is the ports collection? Cheers! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 10:17:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98FE916A4A7 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:17:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.225]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536ED43D6D for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:16:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so1975703wxd for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:16:51 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=cwMBRhDqidUE9//FFPWjtEtB1Dhq3rgdqZVfBcPKQrEngwEXy62Bob1OtP0tVl8SwPY0/AJg3TVx3iBi1RlrKoJCUJ0ZqPTYS+8FNPd+LBga5bczJctvTiPwyOPUMBnk+rNc8N53eI4jJqC19CjtiarGx2N7XH76NnXLJkJqdCQ= Received: by 10.90.120.6 with SMTP id s6mr1994535agc; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.98.12 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8a0028260609120316q7ab0d7bcydcaec44fea42e325@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:16:49 +0100 From: "Jeff Rollin" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20060911222038.73258.qmail@web83104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060911211241.GA2211@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> <20060911222038.73258.qmail@web83104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:17:08 -0000 On 11/09/06, backyard wrote: > > > > --- Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > > > > >Needless to say, I was very disappointed. I feel > > that FreeBSD will never > > > >achieve broader acceptance (even with momentum > > building for alternative > > > >OS) > > > >among people with modest technical proficiency > > and fairly simple > > > >requirements (i.e., spreadsheets, word > > processing, presentations, email). > > > >FreeBSD has an awful "out of the box" experience. > > It's too bad, because I > > > >think FreeBSD is probably a better OS, but I'll > > never really know. > > > >Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > too bad, you experienced that, the FreeBSD > > sysinstall is not that really > > > hard, it may seem daunting at first because of its > > text mode but it is very > > > straight forward, i guess you have to read the > > handbook over and over again > > > to fully comprehend the things you missed why > > things like X is not working, > > > it will also help if you will include the error > > messages as to why you can't > > > run/install gnome or kde. imo you missed some > > dependencies that's why you're > > > having a hard time. > > > > When I first installed FreeBSD, circa 2003, version > > 4.9, the two reasons I chose it over Redhat and > > Debian were the simplicity of the installation and > > good manual. The install process on REdhat and > > Debian was awkward, at least for me, and I could not > > make them work on my old compaq armada laptop. In > > contrast just following the manual and choosing > > default install parameters I got Freebsd working > > fast. > > > > During the installation I actually learned a lot > > about unix and Freebsd, the sort of details which > > are important to know anyway. > > > > It is hard to find the right balance between > > simplicity and functionality. It seems the balance > > in the Freebsd install is about right. > > > > anton > > > > I've only been around since FreeBSD 5.4 myself, and > found during installs that sysinstall would get > confused if you changed your mind and went backwards > through the menus to reconfigure options. it seems > like the one in 6.1 is a lot better, but maybe I just > move back and forth less... > > That being said once it is installed it is a million > times easier to maintain and upgrade then any Linux > I've used. I had an old Digital 486 I had to install > Redhat 7.3 thinking I could easily update to the > latest kernel. I found I had to go through so many > dependancies to do so I finally said whatever kernel > was there was good enough. Talk about having to be a > GNU guru to get things installed correctly without > clobbering the old stuff and running into trouble... I'm unconvinced you could take FreeBSD 4 box and run the kernel from 6.1 on it without changing anything else. Of late I was using Gentoo which I found to be FreeBSD > like with its portage system, until recently when it > seems they changed many system level interface stuff > sometime after April 2006 and now I cannot seem to > update it. The developers say you should not leave updating too long... True, if you are running FBSD 5.1 and need to update to 6.1, 5.3 is still there on the servers, but you do have to go through the steps of installing that intermediate version. Even a full system rebuild has blocking > packages that boggle my mind as they were compile from > source originally... Stuff usually blocks if something about the way it's installed has changed in an incompatible way - X.org moving from monolithic to modular builds, for example. This doesn't seem to have anything to do with (binary) packages. sysinstall isn't all that bad. It could be flashier, > it could be graphical, it could be a lot of things. If > it really bothers you that much you can make yourself > a livecd system that brings up X and restores a basic > install, or cvsups whatever system you want on your > pc/sparc/whatever and builds it from source. that is > the beauty of Unix. True Unix not an emulator like > Linux. I let a lot of BSD comments about Linux go "unpunished", but this one has always got me. BSD had to be *almost totally rewritten* to avoid AT&T licensing issues... added to the fact that I wouldn't be surprised if it's hard to find a single line of code IRIX, Solaris et al these days share between themselves and with V7. Not only that, but I understand that a lot of Unix sysadmins download the GNU tools as well, because (among other things) they do nifty things like being able to unzip, gunzip or bunzip a tarball before untarring it. And the amount of software available from people like KDE to install in FreeBSD is staggering. That and the fact you get an OS with a set of > base software and a compiler out of the box. Linux is > only the kernel, you have to make hundreds of > independant software packages work together to get a > system running. Each one with their own independant > configuration files, and hundreds of man pages to > read. Even the rc.d system is a separate package. I doubt things magically work in FBSD, either. The maintainers probably have build scripts that automate fetching this or that, but it's all gotta be done. now I'm sure things have progressed with Fedora Core > where updating is nice and simple, but the shear > amount of chaos that is Linux just drives me nutz. Linux is chaos? Sysinstall does take a few installs to get down pat, > but once you do it can be setup almost in your sleep. > You do need to get used to the differences of Unix vs > most PC OSs whereby you need to in laymens term > partition twice. A feature I love because it keeps > fstab making sense. > > Like anything you can't expect to try something > completely new without expecting to fall on your face > a few times. I wouldn't just through on scuba gear and > dive the Atlantic Ocean in search of the Titanic... I > would expect to have to read, maybe take some classes > (mess up FreeBSD bad and start over) and try in a pool > instead of the ocean a few times (use non-mission > critical machines to learn with) > > The unfortunate truth is Unix is not Microsoft > Windows, well some might consider it unfortunate... Yeah, I think you mean "fortunate truth"! Windows tells you what to do, what software you must > use, what drivers you must use, where you must install > things, what daemons listen to what ports and their is > little you can do to change it. Unix is just a set of > simple commands strung together in scripts and pipes > that can do whatever you want it to do. X11 is not > Unix it is a software package designed to allow > netrocentric GUI applications to talk to a screen, > keyboard and mouse. Its a monster in and of itself... > Complete with its own documentation... > > Unfortunately it takes some time to learn how to work > with FreeBSD and Unix in general. Some people have > been doing it there whole professional lives and > probably still are amazed when they see a new little > trick come out of some new hackers "toolbox." There > are a few simple rules, and the rest is on you. It's > Unix's greatest strength and weakness rolled into one. > Please don't give up on FreeBSD because of one bad > experience. Take the time to mess around with it and > learn the basics and go from there. Or stick with > Linux its up to you. I will guarantee that when it > comes to upgrading the Linux box you will come back to > FreeBSD real quick... Or Gentoo, Ubuntu or SuSE! ;-) Jeff Rollin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 10:41:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D854C16A47C for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:41:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A98243D4C for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:41:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so1981936wxd for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:41:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=BSbxNbSsui9oF6JkP3/OeEZLJzMEtpaBBMKK+i67PysIOiLIZFf6VSVZB82NtTnwzz4cET6dSzUhYjEzyz45By/+3ueC0odeI0j9XAv8kq45jAjjg6CKyam+cwXbyAipl4mWIsI3uVn4w8SKQvG04LLMaknEaB4fnKKPXpQK3iQ= Received: by 10.90.113.20 with SMTP id l20mr1995461agc; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.98.12 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:41:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8a0028260609120341v61920cf5p3aad4710ef3bd634@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:41:38 +0100 From: "Jeff Rollin" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: The Ports collection / FreeBSD CDs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:41:40 -0000 On 12/09/06, Arindam wrote: > > I am a Linux user and have been recently trying to shift to FreeBSD. I > got hold of a couple of FreeBSD CD ISOs (version 6.1) - their names > being 6.1-RELEASE-i386-discX.iso, X being 1 and 2. > > I did my installation with the Disc1 alone. I did not need Disc2. What > is the purpose of Disc2 and what can I do with it. > > I chose not to install the ports collection because as of now, I do > not have access to Internet in my home-network and it would take a > little while before I can set it up for browsing. Does Disc2 contain > some of the ports collection? > > Finally, what is the ports collection? To take your last question first: The ports collection allows you to install software from source that does not come as part of the base distribution - that equates, more or less, to stuff that on FreeBSD installs itself to directories in / and /usr. The base distribution includes stuff like the X Window System, but not KDE, Firefox or MH, the mail handler. These latter three are available as ports, which when compiled go into /usr/local by default on FreeBSD. The FreeBSD installation program asks if you want "to install the ports collection," but what it actually does is install a bunch of directories (under /usr/ports) that you can use to browse what's available in the ports collection. For example, to download a port, say, Firefox compiled for use with the Linux compatibility layer, go into /usr/ports/linux/linux-firefox and type: $ make install clean (note you need to have Linux compatibility already installed and turned on to make this work). ($ stands for the prompt, as you probably know); make reads the Makefile, and according to instructions in it, downloads the sources and compiles them; make install and make clean (given here in shorthand) respectively install the compiled port and clean up after make. The alternative way to install software is from packages, which are pre-compiled ports. You can use sysinstall to install them, or pkg_add from the commandline. Disc2 mostly contains some of these packages (others are on Disc1). Cheers You're welcome! Jeff. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 11:02:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E951716A412 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:02:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82A4543D45 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:02:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from [172.23.170.141] (helo=anti-virus02-08) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GN61f-00076D-HE; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:01:59 +0100 Received: from [82.41.35.166] (helo=[192.168.0.2]) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GN61e-00073L-Kn; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:01:58 +0100 Message-ID: <450693A6.7090108@dial.pipex.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:01:58 +0100 From: Alex Zbyslaw User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-GB; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060515 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bsd References: <377AA521-83A6-45A6-9892-A1B167607EFD@todoo.biz> In-Reply-To: <377AA521-83A6-45A6-9892-A1B167607EFD@todoo.biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Liste FreeBSD Subject: Re: Ambiguous output redirect X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:02:02 -0000 bsd wrote: > I don't understand why when I execute this script I have an > "Ambiguous output redirect." ? > > > p0f -l 'tcp dst port 25' 2>&1 | /usr/local/sbin/p0f-analyzer.pl 2345 & One answer would be that this is bourne shell syntax and you shell is csh. Try 0f -l 'tcp dst port 25' |& /usr/local/sbin/p0f-analyzer.pl 2345 & or change your shell to a bourne shell compatible one like bash. --Alex PS In csh the ">&" means redirect to a file including stderr, in this case the file "1"; then you are telling it to also pipe to something, which is impossible since you just redirected to a file. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 11:10:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E698616A412 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:10:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2503C43D6E for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:10:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com) Received: from frontend3.internal (frontend3.internal [10.202.2.152]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD2C4DA56BC for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat2.internal ([10.202.2.161]) by frontend3.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:10:51 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: lf6bmVCcFGwbusX6zIUWtHUzPLkfDgztTPFDt0h/5BTF 1158059451 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3113EF331 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:10:51 -0400 (EDT) From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:10:38 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <8a0028260609120341v61920cf5p3aad4710ef3bd634@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8a0028260609120341v61920cf5p3aad4710ef3bd634@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609121210.43263.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> Subject: Re: The Ports collection / FreeBSD CDs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:10:56 -0000 On Tuesday 12 September 2006 11:41, Jeff Rollin wrote: > To take your last question first: The ports collection allows you to > install software from source that does not come as part of the base > distribution - that equates, more or less, to stuff that on FreeBSD > installs itself to directories in / and /usr. The base distribution > includes stuff like the X Window System, but not KDE, Firefox or MH, the > mail handler. The base system doesn't include X Windows. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 11:29:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D0016A40F for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:29:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.234]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 151EA43D4C for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:29:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so1994394wxd for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 04:29:31 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=aZkFsnqJTVxM05yiK7Ktt97EZqKcCQBvHNp2VZXRB9RV2LF/uZcLMrYti+PG+Iqp9ZlJgaPRUiXscvT2DSyz/mE2ZmG8+cgiC6nv8XMWgdWRo9LzPqgHaOtk02nItYvL9r9n1/i1sTmnrSLoZjz6x4uYpxArDlBfnFpBPoGu1JU= Received: by 10.90.73.3 with SMTP id v3mr1998875aga; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 04:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.98.12 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 04:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8a0028260609120429t177ae9f9gbe09e9abe78042fb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:29:31 +0100 From: "Jeff Rollin" To: RW In-Reply-To: <200609121210.43263.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8a0028260609120341v61920cf5p3aad4710ef3bd634@mail.gmail.com> <200609121210.43263.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Ports collection / FreeBSD CDs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:29:32 -0000 > > > The base system doesn't include X Windows. > _____________________________________ Right, I was thinking of NetBSD. X Window System is a FreeBSD port (so it must be installed as a package from sysinstall). Jeff Rollin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 11:31:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 365ED16A492 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:31:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@orchid.homeunix.org) Received: from orchid.homeunix.org (atz71.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl [83.27.7.71]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EEE743D4C for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:31:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@orchid.homeunix.org) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (blackacidevil.orchid.homeunix.org [192.168.1.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by orchid.homeunix.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8CBVYTc050423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:31:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@orchid.homeunix.org) Message-ID: <45069A8E.6020900@orchid.homeunix.org> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:31:26 +0200 From: Karol Kwiatkowski User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060731) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: backyard1454-bsd@yahoo.com References: <20060911143953.93027.qmail@web83101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060911143953.93027.qmail@web83101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.0 OpenPGP: id=06E09309; url=http://www.orchid.homeunix.org/carlos/gpg/0x06E09309.asc Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig942981F5CC45C8665D4F0155" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.4/1864/Tue Sep 12 10:54:22 2006 on orchid.homeunix.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Putting a command/script as a user's shell X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@orchid.homeunix.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:31:45 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig942981F5CC45C8665D4F0155 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/09/2006 16:39, backyard wrote: >=20 > --- Karol Kwiatkowski > wrote: >=20 >> Good day everyone, >> >> I'm trying to make it possible to restart (as in >> 'shutdown -r now') a >> FreeBSD based router from LAN network as easy as >> possible so it can be >> used by non-technical people. >> >> I'm sure some will ask why would I need that - it's >> an USB modem >> connecting to ADSL line that locks up sometimes and >> all my attempts to >> make it restart itself have failed. >> >> I came up with this idea: >> >> - add another user to the system, let it be >> 'restart' >> - add 'restart' to group operator >> - let 'restart' to login through SSH from LAN with a >> key (passwords >> forbidden) >> - put a restart command as it's shell (so it >> automagically restarts >> the router) >> >> Does that sound reasonably? Security is not an >> issue, it's "secure >> enough" for me. >> >> >> OK, now for technical question. I realise I cannot >> put arguments to >> the command in the "shell area" in passwd file, so I >> wrote a short script: >> >> $ cat /home/restart/restart.sh >> #!/bin/sh >> /sbin/shutdown -r now >> $ ls -l /home/restart/restart.sh >> -rwx------ 1 restart restart 33 Sep 11 15:24 >> >> >> put that as restart's user shell: >> >> # grep restart /etc/master.passwd >> > restart:*:1017:1017::0:0:restart:/home/restart:/home/restart/restart.sh= >> >> and tried locally but it's not working: >> >> # su - restart >> su: /home/restart/restart.sh: Permission denied >> >> >> I'm not sure where 'Permission denied' come from. >> Setup looks to be >> OK, here's what I get with /usr/bin/id as a shell: >> >> # su - restart >> uid=3D1017(restart) gid=3D1017(restart) >> groups=3D1017(restart), 5(operator) >> >> >> I'm sure I'm missing something here. Anyone have >> some pointers? >> >=20 > make the shell script group executable and make it > group operator maybe try making it owned by root. I > think what is happening is it is running under the > priveledges of restart not operator because operators > groups cannot execute the command only the restart > user can due to the priveledges. And when the > restart.sh passes its group priveledges to the sript > callout to shutdown it fails because shutdown can only > run as operator. That would be my guess >=20 >=20 > -brian Hi brian, I tried to test it further together with Alex's suggestion to use "-x" in the script first line, only to discover I don't know why it won't work :) If anyone has some (possible) explanations I'll be glad to hear them. Meanwhile I moved to much cleaner and elegant solution based on what Kirk Strauser proposed in other email. For the record here's what I additionally tested: # chmod 4550 /home/restart/restart.sh # chown root:operator /home/restart/restart.sh # ls -l /home/restart/restart.sh -r-sr-x--- 1 root operator 36 Sep 11 16:46 /home/restart/restart.sh result from the same machine: # su - restart su: /home/restart/restart.sh: Permission denied and from other: # ssh -l restart -i restart_rsa router Last login: Tue Sep 12 12:47:02 2006 from blablabla [...] /home/restart/restart.sh: Permission denied Connection to orchid closed. Interestingly (or not ;) execution of the script (with default permissions) works if I log in as a user 'restart' (after giving him /bin/sh as shell). A suid binary seems to work: # cp -p /usr/bin/id /sbin/ # chown root:operator /sbin/id # chmod 4550 /sbin/id # vipw [ restart:*:1017:1017::0:0:restart:/home/restart:/sbin/id ] # su - restart uid=3D1017(restart) euid=3D0(root) gid=3D1017(restart) groups=3D1017(rest= art), 5(operator) # ssh -l restart -i restart_rsa router Last login: Tue Sep 12 13:11:10 2006 from blablabla [...] uid=3D1017(restart) euid=3D0(root) gid=3D1017(restart) groups=3D1017(rest= art), 5(operator) Connection to orchid closed. Looks like some suid issue which I don't really understand. Thanks for suggestions though! Karol --=20 Karol Kwiatkowski OpenPGP: http://www.orchid.homeunix.org/carlos/gpg/0x06E09309.asc --------------enig942981F5CC45C8665D4F0155 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFBpqWezeoPAwGIYsRCEIuAJ9C0xJgYkwB8nYlh8JGdtw/kfpH2QCgiaTd RFkNt8g+PMicPNzOCGWPcUY= =/JBt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig942981F5CC45C8665D4F0155-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 11:45:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 466F416A417 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:45:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@orchid.homeunix.org) Received: from orchid.homeunix.org (atz71.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl [83.27.7.71]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAF9143D7B for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:45:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@orchid.homeunix.org) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (blackacidevil.orchid.homeunix.org [192.168.1.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by orchid.homeunix.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8CBjYdH051155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:45:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@orchid.homeunix.org) Message-ID: <45069DDE.5090408@orchid.homeunix.org> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:45:34 +0200 From: Karol Kwiatkowski User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060731) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Strauser References: <450570AA.6050505@orchid.homeunix.org> <200609110956.51060.kirk@strauser.com> In-Reply-To: <200609110956.51060.kirk@strauser.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.0 OpenPGP: id=06E09309; url=http://www.orchid.homeunix.org/carlos/gpg/0x06E09309.asc Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig5051DE274ADCC4BCE9F516C1" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.4/1866/Tue Sep 12 13:29:19 2006 on orchid.homeunix.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Putting a command/script as a user's shell X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@orchid.homeunix.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:45:52 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig5051DE274ADCC4BCE9F516C1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/09/2006 16:56, Kirk Strauser wrote: > On Monday 11 September 2006 09:20, Karol Kwiatkowski wrote: >> Good day everyone, >> >> I'm trying to make it possible to restart (as in 'shutdown -r now') a >> FreeBSD based router from LAN network as easy as possible so it can be= >> used by non-technical people. >=20 > First of all, it's easy enough to do this securely that you might as we= ll do=20 > it. Install sudo, and use "visudo" to create a sudoers file with entri= es=20 > like: >=20 > User_Alias REBOOTERS =3D username1,username2,username3 > REBOOTERS ALL =3D (root) NOPASSWD: /sbin/reboot >=20 > Next, create a reboot script for them: >=20 > # cat /usr/local/sbin/reboot.sh > sudo /sbin/reboot >=20 > Finally, use OpenSSH's built-in options to run the script at login. Fr= om=20 > sshd(8): >=20 > AUTHORIZED_KEYS FILE FORMAT >=20 > [....] >=20 > command=3D"command" > Specifies that the command is executed whenever this key i= s used > for authentication. >=20 > So, make each user's authorized_keys file look something like: >=20 > ssh-rsa [long base64 string] username1@example.com=20 > command=3D"/usr/local/sbin/reboot.sh" >=20 > Alternatively, do all the above for one single account: your "restart" = user. =20 > Use authorized_keys to limit which of your real users has access to reb= oot=20 > the machine, and use "ssh -l restart balkyrouter.example.com" to trigge= r it. =20 > You could even go so far as to add a clause to /etc/ssh/ssh_config (or = > ~/.ssh/config for each individual user) like: >=20 > Host rebootrouter > Hostname balkyrouter.example.com > User restart >=20 > so that your users just run "ssh rebootrouter". >=20 > So, to recap, when a user logs in, the reboot.sh script will be execute= d. It=20 > will use sudo to run the reboot command as root, without prompting the = user=20 > to enter any password. It's easy, it works, and it doesn't require any= =20 > setuid trickery or special accounts or anything else. Hi Kirk, I wasn't aware of 'command' option in authorized_keys file and that's exactly what I need :) The rest is more or less what I was thinking of with the exception I tried to avoid installing sudo just to do this. So here's what I ended up with: - user 'restart' in group 'operator' (I need another user because there are no 'normal' users on the router except me) - public/private key par for authorization - command=3D"/sbin/shutdown -r now" in /home/restart/.ssh/authorized_keys= Works as expected even with windows/putty clients :) Thanks for your reply. Karol --=20 Karol Kwiatkowski OpenPGP: http://www.orchid.homeunix.org/carlos/gpg/0x06E09309.asc --------------enig5051DE274ADCC4BCE9F516C1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFBp3eezeoPAwGIYsRCNfSAJ9kYUnzZkHLiEGKf6ReODy0yV2H/QCeL24A OCbY3L9KOvS7V/ShiC5+M4o= =gda8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig5051DE274ADCC4BCE9F516C1-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 11:57:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3D7B16A522 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:57:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8545043D67 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:57:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com) Received: from frontend3.internal (frontend3.internal [10.202.2.152]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68CF4DA59D2 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat2.internal ([10.202.2.161]) by frontend3.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:57:21 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: U4hImbb8ROfIJ3ArD1kVhbyic6Dg72qRa6ytsJAZ2d6Y 1158062240 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E057443A7 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:57:20 -0400 (EDT) From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:57:15 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <8a0028260609111328x44c8b425k3e6a07c61aac197e@mail.gmail.com> <20060912021601.3qphot44b7s40wgs@webmail.frontiernet.net> <45066F0F.9060109@voidcaptain.com> In-Reply-To: <45066F0F.9060109@voidcaptain.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609121257.16933.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> Subject: Re: Extensions and Themes in Firefox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:57:22 -0000 On Tuesday 12 September 2006 09:25, Pete Slagle wrote: > Another,(possibly heretical) approach is to take 10 minutes to slap > Ubuntu (or the like) on your desktop box. Out of the gate it easily runs > Firefox, multimedia, ... Has this changed? I have an Ubuntu live cd and wasn't very inpressed. It's Firefox has no flash support and no video plugin. I've never had any serious problems with FreebSD and Multimedia in general - quite the opposite actually. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 11:57:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D53416A5A1 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:57:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from d.hill@yournetplus.com) Received: from admin.mwci.net (corp.yournetplus.com [162.42.148.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E4A43D68 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:57:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from d.hill@yournetplus.com) Received: from duane.dbq.yournetplus.com (account d.hill@yournetplus.com [65.124.230.214] verified) by admin.mwci.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 45211687; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:57:39 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:58:06 +0000 From: Duane Hill X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <794012650.20060912115806@yournetplus.com> To: "Jeff Rollin" In-Reply-To: <8a0028260609120429t177ae9f9gbe09e9abe78042fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <8a0028260609120341v61920cf5p3aad4710ef3bd634@mail.gmail.com> <200609121210.43263.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> <8a0028260609120429t177ae9f9gbe09e9abe78042fb@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, RW Subject: Re: The Ports collection / FreeBSD CDs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Duane Hill List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:57:40 -0000 On Tuesday, September 12, 2006 at 11:29:31 AM, Jeff confabulated: >> >> >> The base system doesn't include X Windows. >> _____________________________________ > Right, I was thinking of NetBSD. X Window System is a FreeBSD port (so it > must be installed as a package from sysinstall). Shouldn't you also be able to: cd /usr/ports/x11; make install clean -- "This message was sent using 100% recycled electrons." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 12:05:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 747D416A403 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:05:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.234]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32EF043D72 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:05:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so2004245wxd for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 05:05:36 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=HjBLEAPBgbjz3cumnZPWE+v0ORcailDkC8Guix5kNvJjFGu1c1tRI+nFm3WITm8QqvoQkTrtIW/BBZELf57mZaQk/dI44cKR7kgSF0pCd7QYRGm+7FbVIuL9taLCWRwb+dhTPwpfy9R6j0l6haDth756bpRJKNMC3SuQqFsqe6M= Received: by 10.90.78.9 with SMTP id a9mr2006210agb; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 05:03:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.98.12 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 05:03:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8a0028260609120503r7fed11dcwfa84c95c05fe1f67@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:03:47 +0100 From: "Jeff Rollin" To: "Duane Hill" In-Reply-To: <794012650.20060912115806@yournetplus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8a0028260609120341v61920cf5p3aad4710ef3bd634@mail.gmail.com> <200609121210.43263.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> <8a0028260609120429t177ae9f9gbe09e9abe78042fb@mail.gmail.com> <794012650.20060912115806@yournetplus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, RW Subject: Re: The Ports collection / FreeBSD CDs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:05:38 -0000 On 12/09/06, Duane Hill wrote: > > On Tuesday, September 12, 2006 at 11:29:31 AM, Jeff confabulated: > > >> > >> > >> The base system doesn't include X Windows. > >> _____________________________________ > > > > Right, I was thinking of NetBSD. X Window System is a FreeBSD port (so > it > > must be installed as a package from sysinstall). > > Shouldn't you also be able to: > > cd /usr/ports/x11; make install clean > > -- That sentence was intended not to mean "you have to install XWS as a package from sysinstall" but "It must be the case that sysinstall installs it as a package built from ports". Jeff Rollin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 12:21:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7A5916A412 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:21:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keith.phipps@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 713BD43D66 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:21:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keith.phipps@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so1713164uge for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 05:21:01 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=pcdXhKoOegtUuR8BeaCA1n98pk1NVs6xO30W+VxwXXGUSlsMdI1HQ5pikfs3ne8jqCWbjSVV2rVs1MwxzLjjuzQyrqvaDDlNP5KICgnDbye52lF1/uAWHIcDfTVYr+ZZEc7QYzsXJoE1bZq/hb1eM6iPa11a3qY+Itjvt8bEbxY= Received: by 10.67.24.13 with SMTP id b13mr3339479ugj; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 05:21:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.19 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 05:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:21:00 -0400 From: "Keith Phipps" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: 4x Kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:21:04 -0000 Good Day, We've got a FreeBSD box that's running 4.10 (that may not be correct, but it's 4.x for certain) and it's not seeing our ATA driver on the appliance it's been installed on. It's just a small 1u device, 1 hard drive, no RAID. The same version installs on the 2u with the RAID controller no problem. Best I can tell, 6.1 has the proper ATA driver. ICH7 is what I'm looking for. The build of our boxes are ISO'd on a CD, so I'm wondering the best way to get this done - as I've never had to recompile anything and the more and more I'm reading, the more and more it looks like I'm going to have to a) figure out where/how to pull the ICH7 ATA driver from the 6.1 build b) how I can recompile the kernel that goes with the ISO It'd be easy (so google says) if it were anything other than the drive controller - but since I can get to the drive, I can't load the OS properly, can't just replace the kernel that way. Any and all ideas, resources, etc.. would be helpful, as this was just sort of dropped on my plate. Thanks! -Keith From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 12:31:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B068016A403 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:31:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from backyard1454-bsd@yahoo.com) Received: from web83110.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web83110.mail.mud.yahoo.com [216.252.101.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 31D9743D46 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:31:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from backyard1454-bsd@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 89835 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Sep 2006 12:31:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=l/WUvLl9BOoIMyuJWs3kxNXSWre0ZsSv8dzb/6++DZNxtmscMpdNAO9eGT02KyO/mhnxfMV5aa9CCN3k24bhFuwrQMjqjTicZz88u5koF+7E2L/tHyOUAtzpPl16EITmZhQlQRDwau0Mn/R+Aii9wbw/mdmIl3D/DZbaiGwt1KM= ; Message-ID: <20060912123120.89833.qmail@web83110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.240.228.37] by web83110.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 05:31:20 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 05:31:20 -0700 (PDT) From: backyard To: Jeff Rollin In-Reply-To: <8a0028260609120316q7ab0d7bcydcaec44fea42e325@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: backyard1454-bsd@yahoo.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:31:21 -0000 --- Jeff Rollin wrote: > On 11/09/06, backyard > wrote: > > > > > > > > > When I first installed FreeBSD, circa 2003, > version > > > 4.9, the two reasons I chose it over Redhat and > > > Debian were the simplicity of the installation > and > > > good manual. The install process on REdhat and > > > Debian was awkward, at least for me, and I could > not > > > make them work on my old compaq armada laptop. > In > > > contrast just following the manual and choosing > > > default install parameters I got Freebsd working > > > fast. > > > > > > During the installation I actually learned a lot > > > about unix and Freebsd, the sort of details > which > > > are important to know anyway. > > > > > > It is hard to find the right balance between > > > simplicity and functionality. It seems the > balance > > > in the Freebsd install is about right. > > > > > > anton > > > > > > > I've only been around since FreeBSD 5.4 myself, > and > > found during installs that sysinstall would get > > confused if you changed your mind and went > backwards > > through the menus to reconfigure options. it seems > > like the one in 6.1 is a lot better, but maybe I > just > > move back and forth less... > > > > That being said once it is installed it is a > million > > times easier to maintain and upgrade then any > Linux > > I've used. I had an old Digital 486 I had to > install > > Redhat 7.3 thinking I could easily update to the > > latest kernel. I found I had to go through so many > > dependancies to do so I finally said whatever > kernel > > was there was good enough. Talk about having to be > a > > GNU guru to get things installed correctly without > > clobbering the old stuff and running into > trouble... > > > I'm unconvinced you could take FreeBSD 4 box and run > the kernel from 6.1 on > it without changing anything else. > well cvsupping to Rel_5 and running a make buildworld && make buildkernel && make install kernel a reboot some mergemaster magic an installworld some more mergemaster magic and then cvsupping to Rel_6 and repeating is still lighttyears easier then watching the Linux kernel build stop, downloading the sources, configuring the dependancy properly, uninstalling the old, and reintalling the new. Especially when you will be tracing dependancies for weeks, unless your a pretty good programmer, which I am not, and know the dependancy chain of the core system. My point was the relative ease of upgrading, not the technical points of having missing object stubs. Of course you can't put a cummins deisel in a pinto without working on the frame first. > Of late I was using Gentoo which I found to be > FreeBSD > > like with its portage system, until recently when > it > > seems they changed many system level interface > stuff > > sometime after April 2006 and now I cannot seem to > > update it. > > > The developers say you should not leave updating too > long... True, if you > are running FBSD 5.1 and need to update to 6.1, 5.3 > is still there on the > servers, but you do have to go through the steps of > installing that > intermediate version. well it was current as of april 8th when I made the tape. I went on vacation in May and got back on or about the 17th of May. Updating HAS NOT WORKED SINCE THEN. so if waiting 6 weeks is too long then so be it. I'm not going to constantly be emerging an update on a daily basis to stay current, especially since Openoffice seems to change its release tag everyother day on Gentoo and it puts a machine out of commission for 8-12 hours to build it. When: emerge --update --deep --newuse --emptytree world fails with PAM blocking, mozilla blocking, and now Xorg blocking as well as some other odds and ends thats when I say BSD is for me. to me it is incomprehensible why I cannot rebuild the system tree from scratch without software blocking the build. It was fun while it lasted, and it was nice to be away from winblows but in my experience linux is slower, a pain to configure, impossible to update, and a project started to emulate Unix. I'd much rather spend my time learning Unix, then fighting with the emulator. > > Even a full system rebuild has blocking > > packages that boggle my mind as they were compile > from > > source originally... > > > Stuff usually blocks if something about the way it's > installed has changed > in an incompatible way - X.org moving from > monolithic to modular builds, for > example. This doesn't seem to have anything to do > with (binary) packages. > well if I just delete the blockers and let them be fixed in the rebuild via them being dependancies it still fails. and use flags are basically useless in binary packages right? I don't like packages, I like to see that the port(age) will build on my machine, because I am a firm believer if you build it, it will run... Not to mention you can set the options you want. > sysinstall isn't all that bad. It could be flashier, > > it could be graphical, it could be a lot of > things. If > > it really bothers you that much you can make > yourself > > a livecd system that brings up X and restores a > basic > > install, or cvsups whatever system you want on > your > > pc/sparc/whatever and builds it from source. that > is > > the beauty of Unix. True Unix not an emulator like > > Linux. > > > I let a lot of BSD comments about Linux go > "unpunished", but this one has > always got me. BSD had to be *almost totally > rewritten* to avoid AT&T > licensing issues... added to the fact that I > wouldn't be surprised if it's > hard to find a single line of code IRIX, Solaris et > al these days share > between themselves and with V7. Not only that, but I > understand that a lot > of Unix sysadmins download the GNU tools as well, > because (among other > things) they do nifty things like being able to > unzip, gunzip or bunzip a > tarball before untarring it. And the amount of > software available from > people like KDE to install in FreeBSD is staggering. > > That and the fact you get an OS with a set of > > base software and a compiler out of the box. Linux > is > > only the kernel, you have to make hundreds of > > independant software packages work together to get > a > > system running. Each one with their own > independant > > configuration files, and hundreds of man pages to > > read. Even the rc.d system is a separate package. > > > I doubt things magically work in FBSD, either. The > maintainers probably have > build scripts that automate fetching this or that, > but it's all gotta be > done. > > now I'm sure things have progressed with Fedora Core > > where updating is nice and simple, but the shear > > amount of chaos that is Linux just drives me nutz. > > > Linux is chaos? ABSOLUTELY, but only because I am not a developer, and know of C code... I find you have to be completely on top of what it is and then some to get anything done. None of the core utilities seem to work together with a common configuration. But this is my biased opinion. Each POSIX system follows a spec, how they follow it is up to them. I find Linux takes a helical route occastionally emergeing from event horizons. Plus can any one really list what and why the kernel was changed since its creation??? No even Linus can do that, patches come in from everywhere, and weren't docuemented until releatively recently. That is Chaos my friend... > > Sysinstall does take a few installs to get down pat, > > but once you do it can be setup almost in your > sleep. > > You do need to get used to the differences of Unix > vs > > most PC OSs whereby you need to in laymens term > > partition twice. A feature I love because it keeps > > fstab making sense. > > > > Like anything you can't expect to try something > > completely new without expecting to fall on your > face > > a few times. I wouldn't just through on scuba gear > and > > dive the Atlantic Ocean in search of the > Titanic... I > > would expect to have to read, maybe take some > classes > > (mess up FreeBSD bad and start over) and try in a > pool > > instead of the ocean a few times (use non-mission > > critical machines to learn with) > > > > The unfortunate truth is Unix is not Microsoft > > Windows, well some might consider it > unfortunate... > > > Yeah, I think you mean "fortunate truth"! > > Windows tells you what to do, what software you must > > use, what drivers you must use, where you must > install > > things, what daemons listen to what ports and > their is > > little you can do to change it. Unix is just a set > of > > simple commands strung together in scripts and > pipes > > that can do whatever you want it to do. X11 is not > > Unix it is a software package designed to allow > > netrocentric GUI applications to talk to a screen, > > keyboard and mouse. Its a monster in and of > itself... > > Complete with its own documentation... > > > > Unfortunately it takes some time to learn how to > work > > with FreeBSD and Unix in general. Some people have > > been doing it there whole professional lives and > > probably still are amazed when they see a new > little > > trick come out of some new hackers "toolbox." > There > > are a few simple rules, and the rest is on you. > It's > > Unix's greatest strength and weakness rolled into > one. > > Please don't give up on FreeBSD because of one bad > > experience. Take the time to mess around with it > and > > learn the basics and go from there. Or stick with > > Linux its up to you. I will guarantee that when it > > comes to upgrading the Linux box you will come > back to > > FreeBSD real quick... > > > Or Gentoo, Ubuntu or SuSE! ;-) if you must but I'm done with that penguin and its a messy break up. I've always liked what Linux was doing, but I HATE the way it does it, and thats my totally biased opinion. -brian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 12:46:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59BBC16A40F for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:46:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9691C43D67 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:46:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com) Received: from frontend3.internal (frontend3.internal [10.202.2.152]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A497DA5552 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat2.internal ([10.202.2.161]) by frontend3.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:46:18 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: wdrOwaTIZz/wNKtkTlQ89b5QWctK1795xZ1ED+o9QvEQ 1158065178 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 312CC443D for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:46:17 -0400 (EDT) From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:46:14 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <200609121210.43263.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> <8a0028260609120429t177ae9f9gbe09e9abe78042fb@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8a0028260609120429t177ae9f9gbe09e9abe78042fb@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609121346.15600.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> Subject: Re: The Ports collection / FreeBSD CDs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:46:21 -0000 On Tuesday 12 September 2006 12:29, Jeff Rollin wrote: > > The base system doesn't include X Windows. > > _____________________________________ > > Right, I was thinking of NetBSD. X Window System is a FreeBSD port (so it > must be installed as a package from sysinstall). That's actually my biggest problem with sysinstall, that it's standard installation mixes-up base system options and package options. I only use sysinstall once in a blue moon, and I find that "Choose Distributions" menu, baffling - even though I know what I want installed. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 13:02:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA8116A403 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:02:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gbentley@uk2.net) Received: from pih-relay04.plus.net (pih-relay04.plus.net [212.159.14.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B06443D6A for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:02:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gbentley@uk2.net) Received: from [81.174.174.115] (helo=DESKTOP) by pih-relay04.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1GN7u6-0003To-7b for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:02:19 +0100 Message-ID: <001b01c6d66b$b386abb0$0807a8c0@DESKTOP> From: "Graham Bentley" To: References: <20060912120051.989A316A600@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:02:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Graham Bentley List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:02:24 -0000 One question I often forget to ask myself is ; "What is my end goal ?" These days, if I want a non Windows desktop that is quick and easy to install / update I use this ; www.zenwalk.org [400MB .iso] For servers, I use FreeBSD :) Of course, you can use FreeBSD as a desktop machine too ... but the learning curve might be a bit steeper !!! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 13:05:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1358D16A415 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:05:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3499443D66 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:05:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i21so484844wra for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 06:05:30 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=mLYdYc06l+AL9hTrKfN1eo9RiCZTnNDKudBCRMPjhNqN/12XWgRvzQA/rY3PuKDbrE49VLnizxH4zAnc61AbCZlKx980Ur2JRJO6V11z68S02cvPpXbPqzzx0/cn910DMxFoYbHBJjlRL9DJ1QIVcDzmmuG/bse2jRK6Jm1OvTg= Received: by 10.90.120.13 with SMTP id s13mr2040876agc; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 06:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.98.12 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 06:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8a0028260609120605h5c3e0dfey4b0976bf93d2c3d1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:05:30 +0100 From: "Jeff Rollin" To: backyard1454-bsd@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: <20060912123120.89833.qmail@web83110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8a0028260609120316q7ab0d7bcydcaec44fea42e325@mail.gmail.com> <20060912123120.89833.qmail@web83110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:05:53 -0000 On 12/09/06, backyard wrote: > > > > --- Jeff Rollin wrote: > > > On 11/09/06, backyard > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I first installed FreeBSD, circa 2003, > > version > > > > 4.9, the two reasons I chose it over Redhat and > > > > Debian were the simplicity of the installation > > and > > > > good manual. The install process on REdhat and > > > > Debian was awkward, at least for me, and I could > > not > > > > make them work on my old compaq armada laptop. > > In > > > > contrast just following the manual and choosing > > > > default install parameters I got Freebsd working > > > > fast. > > > > > > > > During the installation I actually learned a lot > > > > about unix and Freebsd, the sort of details > > which > > > > are important to know anyway. > > > > > > > > It is hard to find the right balance between > > > > simplicity and functionality. It seems the > > balance > > > > in the Freebsd install is about right. > > > > > > > > anton > > > > > > > > > > I've only been around since FreeBSD 5.4 myself, > > and > > > found during installs that sysinstall would get > > > confused if you changed your mind and went > > backwards > > > through the menus to reconfigure options. it seems > > > like the one in 6.1 is a lot better, but maybe I > > just > > > move back and forth less... > > > > > > That being said once it is installed it is a > > million > > > times easier to maintain and upgrade then any > > Linux > > > I've used. I had an old Digital 486 I had to > > install > > > Redhat 7.3 thinking I could easily update to the > > > latest kernel. I found I had to go through so many > > > dependancies to do so I finally said whatever > > kernel > > > was there was good enough. Talk about having to be > > a > > > GNU guru to get things installed correctly without > > > clobbering the old stuff and running into > > trouble... > > > > > > I'm unconvinced you could take FreeBSD 4 box and run > > the kernel from 6.1 on > > it without changing anything else. > > > > well cvsupping to Rel_5 and running a make buildworld > && make buildkernel && make install kernel a reboot > some mergemaster magic an installworld some more > mergemaster magic and then cvsupping to Rel_6 and > repeating is still lighttyears easier then watching > the Linux kernel build stop, downloading the sources, > configuring the dependancy properly, uninstalling the > old, and reintalling the new. Especially when you will > be tracing dependancies for weeks, unless your a > pretty good programmer, which I am not, and know the > dependancy chain of the core system. My point was the > relative ease of upgrading, not the technical points > of having missing object stubs. Of course you can't > put a cummins deisel in a pinto without working on the > frame first. Shrug. I've had problems trying to recompile the FreeBSD kernel too. > Of late I was using Gentoo which I found to be > > FreeBSD > > > like with its portage system, until recently when > > it > > > seems they changed many system level interface > > stuff > > > sometime after April 2006 and now I cannot seem to > > > update it. > > > > > > The developers say you should not leave updating too > > long... True, if you > > are running FBSD 5.1 and need to update to 6.1, 5.3 > > is still there on the > > servers, but you do have to go through the steps of > > installing that > > intermediate version. > > well it was current as of april 8th when I made the > tape. I went on vacation in May and got back on or > about the 17th of May. Updating HAS NOT WORKED SINCE > THEN. so if waiting 6 weeks is too long then so be it. 6 weeks too long? 6 months, *maybe*. I'm not going to constantly be emerging an update on a > daily basis to stay current, especially since > Openoffice seems to change its release tag everyother > day on Gentoo and it puts a machine out of commission > for 8-12 hours to build it. When: > > emerge --update --deep --newuse --emptytree world > > fails with PAM blocking, mozilla blocking, and now > Xorg blocking as well as some other odds and ends > thats when I say BSD is for me. to me it is > incomprehensible why I cannot rebuild the system tree > from scratch without software blocking the build. It > was fun while it lasted, and it was nice to be away > from winblows but in my experience linux is slower, a > pain to configure, impossible to update, and a project > started to emulate Unix. I'd much rather spend my time > learning Unix, then fighting with the emulator. That was my point, that BSD was rewritten from the ground up to avoid AT&T patents. So whilst some might consider BSD "real unix", it's really only "emulating" V7 with Berkeley extensions. > > > Even a full system rebuild has blocking > > > packages that boggle my mind as they were compile > > from > > > source originally... > > > > > > Stuff usually blocks if something about the way it's > > installed has changed > > in an incompatible way - X.org moving from > > monolithic to modular builds, for > > example. This doesn't seem to have anything to do > > with (binary) packages. > > > > well if I just delete the blockers and let them be > fixed in the rebuild via them being dependancies it > still fails. and use flags are basically useless in > binary packages right? I don't like packages, I like > to see that the port(age) will build on my machine, > because I am a firm believer if you build it, it will > run... Not to mention you can set the options you > want. My point was that binary packages and blocking are two separate issues. > sysinstall isn't all that bad. It could be flashier, > > > it could be graphical, it could be a lot of > > things. If > > > it really bothers you that much you can make > > yourself > > > a livecd system that brings up X and restores a > > basic > > > install, or cvsups whatever system you want on > > your > > > pc/sparc/whatever and builds it from source. that > > is > > > the beauty of Unix. True Unix not an emulator like > > > Linux. > > > > > > I let a lot of BSD comments about Linux go > > "unpunished", but this one has > > always got me. BSD had to be *almost totally > > rewritten* to avoid AT&T > > licensing issues... added to the fact that I > > wouldn't be surprised if it's > > hard to find a single line of code IRIX, Solaris et > > al these days share > > between themselves and with V7. Not only that, but I > > understand that a lot > > of Unix sysadmins download the GNU tools as well, > > because (among other > > things) they do nifty things like being able to > > unzip, gunzip or bunzip a > > tarball before untarring it. And the amount of > > software available from > > people like KDE to install in FreeBSD is staggering. > > > > That and the fact you get an OS with a set of > > > base software and a compiler out of the box. Linux > > is > > > only the kernel, you have to make hundreds of > > > independant software packages work together to get > > a > > > system running. Each one with their own > > independant > > > configuration files, and hundreds of man pages to > > > read. Even the rc.d system is a separate package. > > > > > > I doubt things magically work in FBSD, either. The > > maintainers probably have > > build scripts that automate fetching this or that, > > but it's all gotta be > > done. > > > > now I'm sure things have progressed with Fedora Core > > > where updating is nice and simple, but the shear > > > amount of chaos that is Linux just drives me nutz. > > > > > > Linux is chaos? > > ABSOLUTELY, but only because I am not a developer, and > know of C code... I find you have to be completely on > top of what it is and then some to get anything done. > None of the core utilities seem to work together with > a common configuration. But this is my biased opinion. > Each POSIX system follows a spec, how they follow it > is up to them. I find Linux takes a helical route > occastionally emergeing from event horizons. Plus can > any one really list what and why the kernel was > changed since its creation??? No even Linus can do > that, Do you have proof of it? patches come in from everywhere, But are only accepted if they get the go-ahead from the "core team", to use a FreeBSD term... and weren't > docuemented until releatively recently. That is Chaos > my friend... > > > > Sysinstall does take a few installs to get down pat, > > > but once you do it can be setup almost in your > > sleep. > > > You do need to get used to the differences of Unix > > vs > > > most PC OSs whereby you need to in laymens term > > > partition twice. A feature I love because it keeps > > > fstab making sense. > > > > > > Like anything you can't expect to try something > > > completely new without expecting to fall on your > > face > > > a few times. I wouldn't just through on scuba gear > > and > > > dive the Atlantic Ocean in search of the > > Titanic... I > > > would expect to have to read, maybe take some > > classes > > > (mess up FreeBSD bad and start over) and try in a > > pool > > > instead of the ocean a few times (use non-mission > > > critical machines to learn with) > > > > > > The unfortunate truth is Unix is not Microsoft > > > Windows, well some might consider it > > unfortunate... > > > > > > Yeah, I think you mean "fortunate truth"! > > > > Windows tells you what to do, what software you must > > > use, what drivers you must use, where you must > > install > > > things, what daemons listen to what ports and > > their is > > > little you can do to change it. Unix is just a set > > of > > > simple commands strung together in scripts and > > pipes > > > that can do whatever you want it to do. X11 is not > > > Unix it is a software package designed to allow > > > netrocentric GUI applications to talk to a screen, > > > keyboard and mouse. Its a monster in and of > > itself... > > > Complete with its own documentation... > > > > > > Unfortunately it takes some time to learn how to > > work > > > with FreeBSD and Unix in general. Some people have > > > been doing it there whole professional lives and > > > probably still are amazed when they see a new > > little > > > trick come out of some new hackers "toolbox." > > There > > > are a few simple rules, and the rest is on you. > > It's > > > Unix's greatest strength and weakness rolled into > > one. > > > Please don't give up on FreeBSD because of one bad > > > experience. Take the time to mess around with it > > and > > > learn the basics and go from there. Or stick with > > > Linux its up to you. I will guarantee that when it > > > comes to upgrading the Linux box you will come > > back to > > > FreeBSD real quick... > > > > > > Or Gentoo, Ubuntu or SuSE! ;-) > > if you must but I'm done with that penguin and its a > messy break up. I've always liked what Linux was > doing, but I HATE the way it does it, and thats my > totally biased opinion. Well, at least you're honest! Jeff Rollin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 13:11:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DE8116A40F for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:11:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark.r.cullen@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8EB243D53 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:11:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mark.r.cullen@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so1726924uge for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 06:11:30 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=V/Hf3zLPVIyF5bXktqsSoAbj7k5LdkvHUmWWylv2UYi742t4pWDdZ+6sNR5ZVIiBI3vtE5UEvp1MVP83UtRXEuGQia46lhfLO33euHafYhbhnVshMGBU3XZWYPbbWkmEeirJc0X+3XaEfzyL12ZM4nVOBZkdrs6r83C5P63FmUg= Received: by 10.65.239.13 with SMTP id q13mr3590571qbr; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 06:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.0.242? ( [88.96.18.86]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id f16sm1852037qba.2006.09.12.06.11.28; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 06:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4506B215.7030104@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:11:49 +0100 From: Mark Cullen User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Keith Phipps References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4x Kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:11:32 -0000 Keith Phipps wrote: > Good Day, > > We've got a FreeBSD box that's running 4.10 (that may not be correct, but > it's 4.x for certain) and it's not seeing our ATA driver on the appliance > it's been installed on. It's just a small 1u device, 1 hard drive, no RAID. > The same version installs on the 2u with the RAID controller no problem. > Best I can tell, 6.1 has the proper ATA driver. ICH7 is what I'm looking > for. > > The build of our boxes are ISO'd on a CD, so I'm wondering the best way to > get this done - as I've never had to recompile anything and the more and > more I'm reading, the more and more it looks like I'm going to have to > > a) figure out where/how to pull the ICH7 ATA driver from the 6.1 build > b) how I can recompile the kernel that goes with the ISO > > It'd be easy (so google says) if it were anything other than the drive > controller - but since I can get to the drive, I can't load the OS > properly, > can't just replace the kernel that way. > > Any and all ideas, resources, etc.. would be helpful, as this was just sort > of dropped on my plate. > > Thanks! > > -Keith > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Is there any particular reason why you can't just use 6.1? I know it's probably not what you want to hear, but it's highly likely it's going to be said if I don't anyway :-) If it's because of stability, you *could* give NetBSD or OpenBSD a try perhaps? I had even 4.x panic'ing and locking up on my machine, where NetBSD 3 is totally stable. I *think* NetBSD 3 supports ICH7 at least. -- Mark Cullen BSc (Hons), Computer Science From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 13:14:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F8EF16A407 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:14:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A48DB43D4C for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:14:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com) Received: from frontend3.internal (frontend3.internal [10.202.2.152]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E95DA5C69 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat2.internal ([10.202.2.161]) by frontend3.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:14:33 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: 2QMSw9ZhrdW3SeWpJRHSaLqrgFPDaG+phGFN3zMNQuY5 1158066873 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 587ADAEEA for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:14:33 -0400 (EDT) From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:14:29 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <20060911211241.GA2211@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> <20060911222038.73258.qmail@web83104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8a0028260609120316q7ab0d7bcydcaec44fea42e325@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8a0028260609120316q7ab0d7bcydcaec44fea42e325@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609121414.30682.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:14:34 -0000 On Tuesday 12 September 2006 11:16, Jeff Rollin wrote: > I'm unconvinced you could take FreeBSD 4 box and run the kernel from 6.1 on > it without changing anything else. No, but the fact that you upgrade world+kernel in one go helps. FreeBSD also mantains a good level of back-compatibility. The 6x kernels have back compatibility options, and when you upgrade, the libraries from previous major releases are still usable by your packages. There are also compatibility ports if you want to install binaries built against previous versions. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 13:17:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E10F16A407 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:17:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonathan@hst.org.za) Received: from sirian.hst.org.za (sirian.hst.org.za [209.203.2.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 299C143D46 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:17:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jonathan@hst.org.za) Received: from localhost (localhost.hst.org.za [127.0.0.1]) by sirian.hst.org.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE3E331C708 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:16:36 +0200 (SAST) Received: from sirian.hst.org.za ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (sirian.hst.org.za [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 54281-08 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:16:36 +0200 (SAST) Received: by sirian.hst.org.za (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8001931C2A4; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:16:36 +0200 (SAST) Received: from sysadmin.int.dbn.hst.org.za (sysadmin.int.dbn.hst.org.za [10.1.1.20]) by sirian.hst.org.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id D866F31C03E for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:16:35 +0200 (SAST) From: Jonathan McKeown Organization: Health Systems Trust To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:17:23 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <8a0028260609120316q7ab0d7bcydcaec44fea42e325@mail.gmail.com> <20060912123120.89833.qmail@web83110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8a0028260609120605h5c3e0dfey4b0976bf93d2c3d1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8a0028260609120605h5c3e0dfey4b0976bf93d2c3d1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609121517.24177.jonathan@hst.org.za> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.61 (1.212.2.1-2003-12-09-exp) on sirian.hst.org.za X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=7.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.61 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hst.org.za Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:17:33 -0000 On Tuesday 12 September 2006 15:05, Jeff Rollin wrote: > That was my point, that BSD was rewritten from the ground up to avoid AT&T > patents. So whilst some might consider BSD "real unix", it's really only > "emulating" V7 with Berkeley extensions. My understanding was that it was copyright rather than patents - and that the main reason for the settlement of the case between AT&T and BSD/University of California was that when they started comparing code, there was actually more Berkeley code in AT&T Unix than the other way round. Jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 13:22:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E126D16A403 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:22:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keith.phipps@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C1C43D45 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:22:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keith.phipps@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so1730454uge for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 06:22:10 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Glep/808SGNfbLEGyxP02RHCDl1mG8XFp9mXGjE4X/rCmsW/CH/K4b8/sWIu4tDuiBxlMd6EtPaEYdvY3ZGi+dJXgrYSSFjPB6++QPjgO7XTSUpWsxQiKc7dQ08ZYFydHudr2uJ+xY/8rBuWVznr5iD7ri/4Ibk6uSe0RUOlnA8= Received: by 10.67.89.5 with SMTP id r5mr3364395ugl; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 06:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.19 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 06:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:22:10 -0400 From: "Keith Phipps" To: "Mark Cullen" In-Reply-To: <4506B215.7030104@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4506B215.7030104@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4x Kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:22:13 -0000 On 9/12/06, Mark Cullen wrote: > > Keith Phipps wrote: > > Good Day, > > > > We've got a FreeBSD box that's running 4.10 (that may not be correct, > but > > it's 4.x for certain) and it's not seeing our ATA driver on the > appliance > > it's been installed on. It's just a small 1u device, 1 hard drive, no > RAID. > > The same version installs on the 2u with the RAID controller no problem. > > Best I can tell, 6.1 has the proper ATA driver. ICH7 is what I'm looking > > for. > > > > The build of our boxes are ISO'd on a CD, so I'm wondering the best way > to > > get this done - as I've never had to recompile anything and the more and > > more I'm reading, the more and more it looks like I'm going to have to > > > > a) figure out where/how to pull the ICH7 ATA driver from the 6.1 build > > b) how I can recompile the kernel that goes with the ISO > > > > It'd be easy (so google says) if it were anything other than the drive > > controller - but since I can get to the drive, I can't load the OS > > properly, > > can't just replace the kernel that way. > > > > Any and all ideas, resources, etc.. would be helpful, as this was just > sort > > of dropped on my plate. > > > > Thanks! > > > > -Keith > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > Is there any particular reason why you can't just use 6.1? I know it's > probably not what you want to hear, but it's highly likely it's going to > be said if I don't anyway :-) > > If it's because of stability, you *could* give NetBSD or OpenBSD a try > perhaps? I had even 4.x panic'ing and locking up on my machine, where > NetBSD 3 is totally stable. I *think* NetBSD 3 supports ICH7 at least. I wish that were possible, and it will be in a few months. We've got to keep the production boxes the same as the ones in the field until we do the big upgrade post new year. Believe me, I've run my head into the "lets just get to 6.1 stable" head into the wall over this one. Got to love red tape :) -- > Mark Cullen > BSc (Hons), Computer Science > -- They call me Hadoken 'cause I'm down-right fierce. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 13:23:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FAFA16A53B for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:23:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from d.hill@yournetplus.com) Received: from admin.mwci.net (corp.yournetplus.com [162.42.148.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F39343D7D for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:23:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from d.hill@yournetplus.com) Received: from duane.dbq.yournetplus.com (account d.hill@yournetplus.com [65.124.230.214] verified) by admin.mwci.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 45238130; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:23:09 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:23:35 +0000 From: Duane Hill X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <837280608.20060912132335@yournetplus.com> To: "Jeff Rollin" In-Reply-To: <8a0028260609120503r7fed11dcwfa84c95c05fe1f67@mail.gmail.com> References: <8a0028260609120341v61920cf5p3aad4710ef3bd634@mail.gmail.com> <200609121210.43263.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> <8a0028260609120429t177ae9f9gbe09e9abe78042fb@mail.gmail.com> <794012650.20060912115806@yournetplus.com> <8a0028260609120503r7fed11dcwfa84c95c05fe1f67@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, RW Subject: Re: The Ports collection / FreeBSD CDs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Duane Hill List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:23:25 -0000 On Tuesday, September 12, 2006 at 12:03:47 PM, Jeff confabulated: > On 12/09/06, Duane Hill wrote: >> >> On Tuesday, September 12, 2006 at 11:29:31 AM, Jeff confabulated: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The base system doesn't include X Windows. >> >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> > Right, I was thinking of NetBSD. X Window System is a FreeBSD port (so >> it >> > must be installed as a package from sysinstall). >> >> Shouldn't you also be able to: >> >> cd /usr/ports/x11; make install clean >> >> -- > That sentence was intended not to mean "you have to install XWS as a package > from sysinstall" but "It must be the case that sysinstall installs it as a > package built from ports". I wasn't for sure as I don't install many things using sysinstall. Thanks for clarifying. -- "This message was sent using 100% recycled electrons." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 13:28:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C866816A403 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:28:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhorne@dfwlp.org) Received: from zeus.dfwlp.com (zeus.dfwlp.com [208.11.134.127]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA2B43D46 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:28:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhorne@dfwlp.org) Received: from webmail.dfwlp.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zeus.dfwlp.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8CDSbxN018492 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:28:37 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jhorne@dfwlp.org) Received: from 167.246.36.14 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jhorne) by webmail.dfwlp.org with HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:28:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <59349.167.246.36.14.1158067717.squirrel@webmail.dfwlp.org> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:28:37 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jonathan Horne" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on zeus.dfwlp.com Subject: wow, i didnt realize we were so close! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:28:41 -0000 "next" seems to be upon us! [root@athena ~]# uname -a FreeBSD athena.dfwlp.com 6.2-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 6.2-PRERELEASE #0: Mon Sep 11 20:42:48 CDT 2006 root@athena.dfwlp.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ATHENA i386 cheers, jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 13:36:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEFBD16A415 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:36:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob.middaugh@comcast.net) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.200.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1758043D58 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:36:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob.middaugh@comcast.net) Received: from freebsd (c7147696.state.nj.us[199.20.118.150]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2006091213364901400br0ebe>; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:36:50 +0000 From: "Bob M." To: Bob Walker In-Reply-To: <004001c6d5a0$43ab6ef0$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> References: <004001c6d5a0$43ab6ef0$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:38:29 -0400 Message-Id: <1158068309.6767.15.camel@freebsd> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Newbie Experience #2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bob.middaugh@comcast.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:36:52 -0000 On Mon, 2006-09-11 at 08:46 -0400, Bob Walker wrote: > Thanks to *all* who responded to my whining -- you've been great, and I am > going to give FreeBSD another try. Apologies to all if I sounded like a > twit... I was just eager to try something new as I have had it with MS > products. Regards, > > Bob Walker Sounded like you were frustrated and venting to me. I cringed when you said you took a few production workstations to install to. Take one box, and some free time, no pressure, start with the handbook from scratch: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-pre.html You'll be pleased with your efforts when you're finished, and it only gets better from there. As other's have said, it's a community of people and we've all been there before at one time or another. Post your questions and you'll get answers, and probably in a more timely manner than you may expect. Don't give up. Bob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 13:55:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1451916A49E for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:55:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob.middaugh@comcast.net) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.192.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19C4543DA9 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:54:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob.middaugh@comcast.net) Received: from freebsd (c7147696.state.nj.us[199.20.118.150]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060912135446m1300bun74e>; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:54:47 +0000 From: "Bob M." To: Subhro In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:56:26 -0400 Message-Id: <1158069386.6767.20.camel@freebsd> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Arindam , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X Configuration Woes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bob.middaugh@comcast.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:55:25 -0000 On Tue, 2006-09-12 at 14:28 +0530, Subhro wrote: > On 9/12/06, Arindam wrote: > > > > 1. The Mouse still does not work ... may be I should try MouseSystems protocol. > > > I've found I have to use /dev/sysmouse and Protocol "auto" instead of "PS/2" despite my mouse most definitely being PS/2. You already have moused_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf as well? Bob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 14:14:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0885216A40F for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:14:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arindam.mukerjee@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F04B43D68 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:14:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from arindam.mukerjee@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so2495065pye for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:14:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ayNSyaSJB7ZDV6fTZSnxop3xfe/z4InzuJPTS2iXgpMQnSusNk6xEabjqKG/atC7ETAEmxWv5BxPutMFMPJFd+1im9oSnneqCsuKlSaDgLPSyVqC+KDZ0wAugrVn8z94vYt+FZX9ZiLN8Qaku/wEuK/mayjghH9QRbXGhQmWQek= Received: by 10.35.18.3 with SMTP id v3mr10943573pyi; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:13:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.13.20 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:43:00 +0530 From: Arindam To: bob.middaugh@comcast.net In-Reply-To: <1158069386.6767.20.camel@freebsd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1158069386.6767.20.camel@freebsd> Cc: Subhro , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X Configuration Woes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:14:50 -0000 > > > > > > 1. The Mouse still does not work ... may be I should try MouseSystems protocol. > > > > > > I've found I have to use /dev/sysmouse and Protocol "auto" instead of > "PS/2" despite my mouse most definitely being PS/2. > > You already have moused_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf as well? Unfortunately we are discussing a different problem ... if you read my (rather long) post, I have a serial mouse and there are more devices as well as protocols to choose from. So PS/2 mouse doesn't figure in here. > > Bob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 15:12:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6887B16A40F for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:12:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@msu.edu) Received: from sys21.mail.msu.edu (sys21.mail.msu.edu [35.9.75.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10F5043D49 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:12:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jerrymc@msu.edu) Received: from jerrymc by sys21.mail.msu.edu with local (Exim 4.52 #1) id 1GN9wR-0005Pn-4i; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:12:51 -0400 References: In-Reply-To: From: "Jerold McAllister" To: Arindam Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:12:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Virus: None found by Clam AV Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X Configuration Woes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:12:53 -0000 Arindam writes: > >> I am an absolute FreeBSD Newbie and I decided to give it a try over a >> lazy weekend - mainly because I don't want to throw away my old PIII >> box. I picked up FreeBSD 5.4 which was all I got and I am dual booting >> it with RHEL4.3. My box is rather old ... P3 733 Mhz with 256 megs of >> SDRAM@100MHz, and I installed FreeBSD on the first 6.5 Gigs of my >> Seagate harddrive ... connected to the Primary master IDE interface. >> Well, installing FreeBSD for the first time is more compatible with an ambitious weekend than an lazy one - as you probably have discovered. It does take considerable work, though the rewards are commensurate. >> .... >> If you can wade through this gibberish, please help. >> >> Cheers, >> Andy > > Some updates: > > Following this I did a fresh install using the FreeBSD6.1 CD1. Xorg > installed is 6.9.0. > I did not run xorgconfig or anything. There was no /etc/X11/xorg.conf > either. From the command-line I ran "xdm" and the GUI started ... I > could login ... and then that's about it. > > 1. The Mouse still does not work ... may be I should try MouseSystems > protocol. I can't say much about the mouse. I usually let it figure out things itself and it works. Is it a plain ps2 mouse (with round ps2 connector)? I just do the mouse test during sysinstall and it works. > 2. What should I do about GNOME / KDE etc. I am not aching to get a > jazzy a GUI on my FreeBSD installation. I can make do with a very > minimal one. But I want a minimal one at least now, I just have to get > this running or I can't sleep. If you don't want a fancy GUI desktop, then skip KDE and Gnome. I prefer to use Afterstep. It installs nicely. It is found in ports at /usr/ports/x11-wm/afterstep It can be a little confusing at first to set up and configure - as are all X things - but after getting it configured for me, it gives me what I need: several windows for logging in to various hosts, a button to bring up Firefoxand X support for whatever I run, such as OpenOffice or Xpdf or Xmahjongg and a couple of other games, etc. The only thing I haven't managed to my liking is getting it to create anchor buttons for each thing when I bring it up. It only does so for the minimized windows. I got that in one version, but it seemed to mess up the focus control and click to bring forward action so I gave up on that. I edited: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc to make it work my way. I think you can make individual .xinitrc files in home directories as well, but I wanted mine to work for all of my small handful of accounts so I edited the main one. Have fun, ////jerry > Cheers, > Andy > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 16:05:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC46A16A416 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:05:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from virenp@mail.utexas.edu) Received: from smtp.cm.utexas.edu (smtp.cm.utexas.edu [146.6.135.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73FC943D78 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:05:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from virenp@mail.utexas.edu) Received: from mail.cm.utexas.edu (smtp.cm.utexas.edu [146.6.135.3]) by smtp.cm.utexas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A036D40C for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:05:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 146.6.135.25 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vpatel) by mail.cm.utexas.edu with HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:05:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <2457.146.6.135.25.1158077112.squirrel@mail.cm.utexas.edu> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:05:12 -0500 (CDT) From: "Viren Patel" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: multiple slices and invalid partition table problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: virenp@mail.utexas.edu List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:05:14 -0000 Hello. I am trying to install 6.1 on a Dell 2950 with a Dell PERC 5/i (LSI Logic) SAS RAID controller. The controller is supported by the mfi driver. The system has six 300GB drives configured in a RAID 5 array for a total of 1.5TB. I would like to setup jails on this system with each jail in its own partition. To maximize the number of jails I am trying to slice the RAID volume into 4 slices and 7 partitions per slice. This is when problems start cropping up. In the first instance I keep getting warning messages about CHS geometry being incorrect and sysinstall defaults to what it thinks are the correct values. Unfortunately Dell BIOS or the controller BIOS does not report any CHS values. Is there a way to get the correct values from the controller? But going with the sysinstall values, if I allocate the entire volume (1 slice) I can install the OS and it boots fine. If however I create two or more slices, the OS does install but upon reboot produces an "Invalid partition table" error. Here is an odd thing - I created two RAID volumes, one 300GB RAID 1 mirror and another 900GB RAID 5 array. When installing FreeBSD it sees the two volumes as mfid0 and mfid1, however it reports the 300GB size for both volumes. In this configuration the CHS errors are not reported for mfid0 but still come up for mfid1. Also any partitions I create in mfid0 are also shown for mfid1 and I still get the "Invalid partition table" error upon reboot. I have tried this on two identical systems with the same results. Any ideas? TIA for any assistance in resolving this puzzling issue. Viren Patel Chemistry & Biochemistry University of Texas at Austin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 16:19:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE3616A415 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:19:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.231]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB4B43D49 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:19:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id a10so466726qbd for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:19:19 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=sC09MiZJSeOn/VVj6sQzdw8nfclWbSFdWXEZ/1dpN+rQhEFFCgVV3pzI/OWNEeF+sTHsfFforofSo5Q6qZJ0pZAUogCOV9Sz3ge7VgfWXw60qG/xMbYTpI15sVtShSKPrhELaX/Szk4Fj3HF6eCf84sz6vVqR/2vzaxVDduRgE8= Received: by 10.90.113.20 with SMTP id l20mr2243455agc; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:19:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.98.12 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:19:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8a0028260609120919p3bcedeccoc816ee88dcd87af4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:19:18 +0100 From: "Jeff Rollin" To: "Jerold McAllister" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Arindam , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X Configuration Woes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:19:28 -0000 On 12/09/06, Jerold McAllister wrote: > > Arindam writes: > > > > >> I am an absolute FreeBSD Newbie and I decided to give it a try over a > >> lazy weekend - mainly because I don't want to throw away my old PIII > >> box. I picked up FreeBSD 5.4 which was all I got and I am dual booting > >> it with RHEL4.3. My box is rather old ... P3 733 Mhz with 256 megs of > >> SDRAM@100MHz, and I installed FreeBSD on the first 6.5 Gigs of my > >> Seagate harddrive ... connected to the Primary master IDE interface. > >> > > Well, installing FreeBSD for the first time is more compatible with > an ambitious weekend than an lazy one - as you probably have discovered. > It does take considerable work, though the rewards are commensurate. > > >> .... > >> If you can wade through this gibberish, please help. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Andy > > > > Some updates: > > > > Following this I did a fresh install using the FreeBSD6.1 CD1. Xorg > > installed is 6.9.0. > > I did not run xorgconfig or anything. There was no /etc/X11/xorg.conf > > either. From the command-line I ran "xdm" and the GUI started ... I > > could login ... and then that's about it. > > > > 1. The Mouse still does not work ... may be I should try MouseSystems > > protocol. > > I can't say much about the mouse. I usually let it figure out > things itself and it works. Is it a plain ps2 mouse (with round ps2 > connector)? I just do the mouse test during sysinstall and it works. > > > 2. What should I do about GNOME / KDE etc. I am not aching to get a > > jazzy a GUI on my FreeBSD installation. I can make do with a very > > minimal one. But I want a minimal one at least now, I just have to get > > this running or I can't sleep. > > If you don't want a fancy GUI desktop, then skip KDE and Gnome. > > I prefer to use Afterstep. It installs nicely. > It is found in ports at /usr/ports/x11-wm/afterstep > It can be a little confusing at first to set up and configure - as are > all X things - but after getting it configured for me, it gives me what I > need: several windows for logging in to various hosts, a button to bring > up Firefoxand X support for whatever I run, such as OpenOffice or Xpdf > or Xmahjongg and a couple of other games, etc. Another you might like to try is XFCE. It's sort of midway between the likes of Afterstep and GNOME/KDE. Its own file manager has traditionally sucked, but the beauty of Linux is, you can mix and match. Plus, the new file manager (Thunar) in the newest versions looks lovely (I don't think you'll get the newest versions of anything if you install the ports collection from the RELEASE CDs though.) > > I edited: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc > to make it work my way. I think you can make individual .xinitrc files > in home directories as well, but I wanted mine to work for all of my > small handful of accounts so I edited the main one. That's correct; an awful lot of stuff in places like /usr/X11R6/lib and /etc, including .xinitrc and the .z* Z Shell configuration files, consists of global default settings and can be modified for each user in analogous configuration files in $HOME. Jeff Rollin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 17:10:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9465316A4DE for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:10:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com (mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D3F43D62 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:10:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from collaborativefusion.com (mx01.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.201]) (TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by wingspan with esmtp; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:10:16 -0400 id 00056419.4506E9F8.0000A76A Received: from Internal Mail-Server (206.210.89.202) by mx01 (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 12 Sep 2006 13:07:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:10:15 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20060912131015.4d6311e8.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> Organization: Collaborative Fusion X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.7 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Problems with xscreensaver stealing my mouse X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:10:23 -0000 uname -a FreeBSD vanquish.pgh.priv.collaborativefusion.com 6.1-RELEASE-p6 FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p6 #6: Thu Sep 7 11:25:03 EDT 2006 root@vanquish.pgh.priv.collaborativefusion.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/VANQUISH i386 $ pkg_info | grep xorg linux-xorg-libs-6.8.2_5 Xorg libraries, linux binaries xorg-clients-6.9.0_3 X client programs and related files from X.Org xorg-fonts-100dpi-6.9.0_1 X.Org 100dpi bitmap fonts xorg-fonts-75dpi-6.9.0_1 X.Org 75dpi bitmap fonts xorg-fonts-encodings-6.9.0_1 X.Org font encoding files xorg-fonts-miscbitmaps-6.9.0_1 X.Org miscellaneous bitmap fonts xorg-fonts-truetype-6.9.0 X.Org TrueType fonts xorg-libraries-6.9.0 X11 libraries and headers from X.Org xorg-manpages-6.9.0 X.Org library manual pages xorg-server-6.9.0_4 X.Org X server and related programs $ pkg_info | grep screen xscreensaver-5.00 Save your screen while you entertain your cat The box is a Dell Optiplex GX520, with a Radeon 9200 Pro configured for dual-head. I'm using the radeon driver. Mouse and KB are USB. Symptoms are that every so often, when returning from the screensaver, I have no mouse. This happens about once a day on average, although I've been able to discern no other pattern or event that triggers it. Most of the time, when I come back from screensaver, everything is fine. When the problem occurs I can get mouse function back by waiting until the screensaver starts again, when I move the mouse or hit a key to disable the screensaver the second time, all is well. I've tried unplugging/plugging the USB mouse, but this doesn't help. Occasionally, I get these messages in /var/log/messages: Sep 12 08:38:20 vanquish kernel: uhub5: vendor 0x0424 product 0x2504, class 9/0, rev 2.00/0.00, addr 2 Sep 12 08:38:20 vanquish kernel: uhub5: multiple transaction translators Sep 12 08:38:20 vanquish kernel: uhub5: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered ... as if the mouse were recently plugged in. The appearance of these messages does _not_ coincide with the problem. Any thoughts on what could be wrong? I'm not sure whether this is a problem with xorg or FreeBSD, but I'm suspecting FreeBSD because of the messages. Any suggestions on how to debug? -- Bill Moran Collaborative Fusion Inc. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 17:43:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFDB416A417 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:43:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from veldy@veldy.net) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [63.240.77.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BB0543D49 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:43:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from veldy@veldy.net) Received: from fuggle.veldy.net (c-69-180-171-46.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[69.180.171.46]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with ESMTP id <2006091217431301400cgnf6e>; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:43:13 +0000 Received: from www.veldy.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fuggle.veldy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1195533C24 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:43:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 24.196.51.3 (SquirrelMail authenticated user veldy@veldy.net) by www.veldy.net with HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:43:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <1923.24.196.51.3.1158082993.squirrel@www.veldy.net> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:43:13 -0500 (CDT) From: veldy@veldy.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: AMD64 SSH Port Forwarding? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:43:15 -0000 Has anybody noted any issues with port forwarding using SSH tunnels on FreeBSD 6.1 AMD64? I just recently upgraded my machine from i386 to amd64, using nearly all the same configuration files. Now, remotely, I make an SSH session to my machine and attempt to forward ports, as usual, and I find that all of these fail. The listener exists on localhost, but nothing is forwarded. Trying to connect to the localhost listener results in a connection, but no traffic. I can verify all services are running. For what its worth: FreeBSD 6.1-p6 AMD64 PF (same configuration as previous machine that worked) Ports - 25, 443, 3128 All above ports are active and functioning, but forwarding to them via a tunnel consistantly fails. Only changes are motherboard, CPU, memory and of course moved from i386 to amd64. The NICs, hard drives and cd/dvd drives all came from the old machine and are the same physical pieces of hardware. I have not been table to find any configuration changes that can account for this behavior and I find no record in the logs what-so-ever. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 14:26:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 964B216A407 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:26:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trashbird1240@yahoo.com) Received: from web50412.mail.yahoo.com (web50412.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.155]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5B43143D91 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:25:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trashbird1240@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 75020 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Sep 2006 14:25:54 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BNBs9VkWIkimnKIVVBAArwCXL3MwOsMcxX0HQp2RrmFQDDEWq9cfkiHxJzshH/cx3NAqk/VjQuW7TS58uF8S9qWgPBOytRL5sH7kldVfVSG9jPDZ8hu7tkD1PSwI9dm+IDsbyn1YEzGyIeIWFwREO10fV8hMMtGsZAgl9PbbMYs= ; Message-ID: <20060912142554.75018.qmail@web50412.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.183.29.121] by web50412.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:25:54 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:25:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Adamson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:45:57 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Flatscreen Monitor Specifications X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:26:10 -0000 Howdy Y'all, I am planning to install FreeBSD this weekend and I am doing a hardware inventory. I have a fairly new computer (bought brand new a year ago: Dell something-or-other 5100C), with a flatscreen monitor and USB everything. I looked for my monitor specifications last night and have found nothing resembling the 35Hz, 800x600 stuff that is discussed in the handbook. this would make sense, of course,... All I've found in Windows Device Manager is something like "Intel 42985G Chipset". Whenever I've tried liveCDs (FreesBie, various linuces), they have all picked out the monitor just fine (and most everything else). I just want to cover my bases, in case I end up with a flickering screen, I want to be able to do something about it. Do you have any suggestions for where I should look for any monitor specifications? What do I enter when I do my X configuration? Thanks, Joel Joel J. Adamson Arlington, MA --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 18:12:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C4016A412; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:12:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F70D43D4C; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:12:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1396C1A3C1A; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:12:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7C8F2514AF; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:12:32 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: Alexey Mikhailov Message-ID: <20060912181232.GA82002@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <4506F7D7.9070003@ez.pereslavl.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4506F7D7.9070003@ez.pereslavl.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Problem installing Mathematica on FreeBSD 6.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:12:37 -0000 --6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 10:09:27PM +0400, Alexey Mikhailov wrote: > Hello! >=20 > Sometime ago I posted this message to freebsd-questions@, but had no=20 > answer. So I'll try my luck > here. >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Hello! >=20 > I installed Mathematica 5.1 on my FreeBSD 6.1 system. And I can't run it.. > That's very strange behaviour: >=20 > ~/Mathematica/SystemFiles/FrontEnd/Binaries/Linux % ./Mathematica > ./Mathematica: relocation error: /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6: undefined=20 > symbol: __stderrp >=20 > But: >=20 > ~/Mathematica/SystemFiles/FrontEnd/Binaries/Linux % ldd Mathematica > Mathematica: > libm.so.6 =3D> /lib/libm.so.6 (0x284e5000) =2E.. Since it is a linux binary it should be linked to the linux libraries. Do you have a linux_base package installed? Kris P.S. Redirecting followups to freebsd-questions@ as this is a basic technical support question. --6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFBviPWry0BWjoQKURAmHOAJ9vAGRGIE6kUpzv9MchqjxCx4/1zQCeOAB9 Zk6rEIWyB5yxoq3/cdoA7as= =jQst -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 18:31:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53C6316A407 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:31:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from teknet8@o2.pl) Received: from poczta.o2.pl (mx2.go2.pl [193.17.41.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDA8A43D53 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:31:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from teknet8@o2.pl) Received: from darkstar (piaski.eu.org [83.14.190.130]) by poczta.o2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF12F748140 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:31:42 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:34:30 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Micha=B3?= Garcarz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20060912203430.a01783f3.teknet8@o2.pl> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.0 (GTK+ 2.8.12; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: SATA sil problems ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:31:46 -0000 Hello I have SATA SIL 3112 controller. Unfortunately it is not working correctly under FreeBSD. It does not work for me, and i found on google that it doesn't work correctly for many other people. I tried Freebsd 4.x, 5.x and 6.1. Here are the errors which occur when system works: Sep 12 11:03:35 multix kernel: ad6: WARNING - SETFEATURES SET TRANSFER MODE taskqueue timeout - completing request directly Sep 12 11:03:35 multix kernel: ad6: TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA retrying (1 retry left) LBA=8159967 Sep 12 11:55:36 multix kernel: ad4: FAILURE - READ_DMA status=51 error=40 LBA=8878591 Sep 12 11:55:36 multix kernel: ar0: WARNING - mirror protection lost. RAID1 array in DEGRADED mode Sep 12 11:55:36 multix kernel: ar0: writing of Silicon Image Medley metadata is NOT supported yet Do You have similar problems ? What SATA controller could you suggest ? I must be on card (PCI?) so i could plug in to my current server. It have to work stable under Freebsd 6.1. It should be chip. It doesn't have to be real hardware RAID (it can use software from BIOS). Thanx From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 18:52:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CD3A16A412 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:52:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from snagit@cbpratt.prohosting.com) Received: from n016.sc0.cp.net (smtpout1106.sc0.he.tucows.com [64.97.144.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EF5443D49 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:52:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from snagit@cbpratt.prohosting.com) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (67.47.213.85) by n016.sc0.cp.net (7.2.069.1) (authenticated as eagletree@hughes.net) id 45058ABD00071D46 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:52:34 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1DCE50F2-FFCA-479D-9E68-11936F0076DB@cbpratt.prohosting.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Chris Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:52:25 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Subject: NIC Questions for 6.1 Release X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:52:40 -0000 I've had nightmares with my AMD65 Tyan quad that were most likely caused by the Broadcom built-in NICs. There are a lot of folks who've reported problems not only on FreeBSD, but also Windows and Linux. The issues seem to be negotiation problems and then packet loss if negotiation is disabled. I found that if you include a bad cable in the mix, FreeBSD 6.0 STABLE gave unannounced hard hangs and FreeBSD 6.1 RELEASE would panic. With the cable replaced, the system finally stayed up but I found that it would just tend to drop off the net occasionally for a few seconds here and there. Too often to really be usable. I'm bringing that server back in to rebuild it on p6 in hopes of getting it stable enough to finally go into production. I have to verify that the bge driver problems have been fixed since the May release (if they are fixable) but have been unable to determine if changes have been made. Is there any single source where one can go to see what has been changed on the various components of the OS. The notes, errata, hardware.txt, UPDATING, and many other normal places one looks doesn't really provide this this level of detail. I can research if someone has an idea where you would research? On the other hand, any of you have inside information on the broadcom itself, is it hopeless, and would going to the Intel PRO/1000 MT fix my problems with more surety? These are coming out of the boot as: bge0: The computer is a Tyan s4884 quad opteron (duals). Thanks, Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 19:09:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F079616A40F for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:09:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob.middaugh@comcast.net) Received: from alnrmhc11.comcast.net (alnrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.225.91]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AFAE43D5F for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:09:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob.middaugh@comcast.net) Received: from freebsd (failure[199.20.118.150]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060912190934b11009qscoe>; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:09:34 +0000 From: "Bob M." To: Joel Adamson In-Reply-To: <20060912142554.75018.qmail@web50412.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060912142554.75018.qmail@web50412.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:10:54 -0400 Message-Id: <1158088254.6767.30.camel@freebsd> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Flatscreen Monitor Specifications X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bob.middaugh@comcast.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:09:42 -0000 On Tue, 2006-09-12 at 07:25 -0700, Joel Adamson wrote: > Howdy Y'all, > > I am planning to install FreeBSD this weekend and I am doing a hardware inventory. I have a fairly new computer (bought brand new a year ago: Dell something-or-other 5100C), with a flatscreen monitor and USB everything. I looked for my monitor specifications last night and have found nothing resembling the 35Hz, 800x600 stuff that is discussed in the handbook. this would make sense, of course,... > > All I've found in Windows Device Manager is something like "Intel 42985G Chipset". > > Whenever I've tried liveCDs (FreesBie, various linuces), they have all picked out the monitor just fine (and most everything else). I just want to cover my bases, in case I end up with a flickering screen, I want to be able to do something about it. > > Do you have any suggestions for where I should look for any monitor specifications? What do I enter when I do my X configuration? > > Thanks, > Joel > > > Joel J. Adamson > Arlington, MA > Assuming you have a dell monitor, have you tried looking it up on http://support.dell.com ? Most likely, you could even google it. My DELL 1901FP, came up when I googled it. Just worry about the horizontal and vertical synch/refresh rates for now, if they're wrong you can fry it. This is mine: Section "Monitor" Identifier "DELL 1901FP" HorizSync 30-80 VertRefresh 56-76 ModeLine "1024x768i" 45 1024 1048 1208 1264 768 776 784 817 Interlace EndSection That's the minimum for monitor, I believe, mine works great anyway. This is my "Screen" section for that monitor: Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen 1" Device "i810" Monitor "DELL 1901FP" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "1280x1024" Option "rgb bits" "8" Visual "StaticColor" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1280x1024" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "1280x1024" EndSubSection EndSection Bob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 19:25:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EEE016A403 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:25:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david.robillard@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF9C243D6E for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:25:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from david.robillard@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so1845290uge for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:25:09 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=uvQisCx5k36rMVkpTet1w6kNjJRZewzSstG/59Rf7EwZ+Gl01flPbCx6CETdQZwfWYZKmbvU0sEIqQH5ErathAhJr4YUjJ/hTphijSgtSZFYU+ixfZOY+AcWoJDVPESZUMUoxLYS3ppTAAyGNdGpAw2/+WqKoTQEXz0w3TrtwNU= Received: by 10.66.222.9 with SMTP id u9mr3618971ugg; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.106.17 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <226ae0c60609121225x3a54fe80p18e85dae9c341207@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:25:09 -0400 From: "David Robillard" To: "FreeBSD Questions Mailing List" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: FreeBSD Security Team Subject: jdk -- jar directory traversal vulnerability (CVE-2005-1080). X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:25:13 -0000 Hi everyone, Are there any workaround or a patch for this security problem? FreeBSD Foundation's Java JDK and JRE 5.0 Update 7 binaries for FreeBSD 6.1/i386: Affected package: diablo-jdk-freebsd6.i386.1.5.0.07.00 Type of problem: jdk -- jar directory traversal vulnerability. Reference: Many thanks, David -- David Robillard UNIX systems administrator & Oracle DBA CISSP, RHCE & Sun Certified Security Administrator Montreal: +1 514 966 0122 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 19:37:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A275816A407 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:37:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.26.172.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E193B43D86 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:37:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id k8CJbJeC037437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:37:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id k8CJbFJb037434 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA21977; Tue, 12 Sep 06 12:20:35 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 06 12:20:35 PDT From: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) Message-Id: <10609121920.AA21977@pluto.rain.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Postscript fonts in OpenOffice on 6.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:37:57 -0000 Has anyone gotten OpenOffice to use a Postscript printer's built-in fonts? If so, how did you do it? I haven't found the answer in the docs or FAQs, and got no response on the OpenOffice list. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 19:49:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEDFA16A58D for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:49:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wash@wananchi.com) Received: from ns2.wananchi.com (ns2.wananchi.com [62.8.64.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75E0543D45 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:49:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wash@wananchi.com) Received: from wash by ns2.wananchi.com with local (Exim 4.63 #0 (FreeBSD 4.11-STABLE)) id 1GNEFn-000CU6-SH by authid for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:49:07 +0300 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:49:07 +0300 From: Odhiambo Washington To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060912194907.GA44560@ns2.wananchi.com> Mail-Followup-To: Odhiambo Washington , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Disclaimer: Any views expressed in this message, where not explicitly attributed otherwise, are mine alone!. X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.12 (2006-07-14) X-Designation: Systems Administrator, Wananchi Online Ltd. X-Location: Nairobi, KE, East Africa. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 Subject: ipfw - bandwidth throttling (sanity check!) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:49:13 -0000 Hello Security guy ;) I have tried very hard to understand ipfw just for the purpose of bandwidth throttling for smtp service. Basically, I want to throttle the bandwidth used by my SMTP server outbound to _anyone_ else except my ip blocks. My Server is 1.2.3.4 and my ip blocks are a.b.c.d/19 and e.f.g.h/20 Are the following rules sane enough? ipfw pipe 1 config bw 256Kbit/s ipfw add pipe 1 tcp from 1.2.3.4 to not a.b.c.d/19 25 ipfw add pipe 1 tcp from 1.2.3.4 to not e.f.g.h/20 25 Any smtp traffic not to these netblocks should be throttled. By that, I am thinking it will match everything smtp outbound only, not inbound. Thank you for your time. -Wash http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html DISCLAIMER: See http://www.wananchi.com/bms/terms.php -- +======================================================================+ |\ _,,,---,,_ | Odhiambo Washington Zzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ | Wananchi Online Ltd. www.wananchi.com |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-'| Tel: +254 20 313985-9 +254 20 313922 '---''(_/--' `-'\_) | GSM: +254 722 743223 +254 733 744121 +======================================================================+ Don't put off for tomorrow what you can do today, because if you enjoy it today you can do it again tomorrow. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 19:50:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB46216A40F for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:50:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.26.172.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D9443D45 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:50:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (25@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id k8CJoAPc042077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:50:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id k8CJbLb9037452; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:37:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA22352; Tue, 12 Sep 06 12:29:45 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 06 12:29:45 PDT From: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) Message-Id: <10609121929.AA22352@pluto.rain.com> To: backyard1454-bsd@yahoo.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20060908140709.88747.qmail@web83115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <10609080309.AA04044@pluto.rain.com> <20060908140709.88747.qmail@web83115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Cc: Subject: [HACK-AROUND] Re: OpenOffice build crashes the compiler X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:50:39 -0000 This hack presumably results in a broken slidesorter, but at least Writer seems to work (after a fashion), and that's all I really need. Since the *.obj are just empty sentinel files indicating that the corresponding *.o have been built, this # cd /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-2.0 # touch work/OOD680_m1/sd/unxfbsdi.pro/slo/SlideSorterView.obj allows a rebuild to start *after* the failing compilation, instead of reattempting it (and crashing again). The missing module results in an undefined symbol in libsd680fi.so; to keep that from stopping the build, apply this hack to work/OOD680_m1/solenv/bin/checkdll.sh: *** checkdll.sh.orig Wed Apr 26 07:42:21 2006 --- checkdll.sh Wed Apr 26 07:42:21 2006 *************** *** 83,89 **** esac $checkdll "$*" ! if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then exit 1 ; fi for parameter in $*; do library=$parameter; --- 83,90 ---- esac $checkdll "$*" ! # message has been printed, but don't kill the build ! # if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then exit 1 ; fi for parameter in $*; do library=$parameter; From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 19:51:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D7D016A415 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:51:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from snagit@cbpratt.prohosting.com) Received: from n126.sc0.cp.net (smtpout1079.sc0.he.tucows.com [64.97.144.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 449F543D69 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:51:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from snagit@cbpratt.prohosting.com) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (67.47.213.85) by n126.sc0.cp.net (7.2.069.1) (authenticated as eagletree@hughes.net) id 450596BD0006F7DC; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:51:23 +0000 In-Reply-To: <45070407.9000807@mac.com> References: <1DCE50F2-FFCA-479D-9E68-11936F0076DB@cbpratt.prohosting.com> <45070407.9000807@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3C62EB56-BD65-4071-9A12-2F8E4A462944@cbpratt.prohosting.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:51:12 -0700 To: Peter A. Giessel X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Cc: freeBSD Subject: Re: NIC Questions for 6.1 Release X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:51:28 -0000 On Sep 12, 2006, at 12:01 PM, Peter A. Giessel wrote: > On 2006/09/12 10:52, Chris seems to have typed: >> These are coming out of the boot as: >> bge0: >> The computer is a Tyan s4884 quad opteron (duals). > > > I have a Tyan S2882G3NR-D with: > bge0: > mem 0xfc9c0000-0xfc9cffff,0xfc9b0000-0xfc9bffff irq 24 at device > 9.0 on pci2 > running on the AMD64 version of FreeBSD: > FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p2 #4: Sun Jul 2 22:27:35 AKDT 2006 > (dual Opteron 246's) > > Its been stable since the update to 6.1 (went from 6.0 directly to > 6.1-p2). This is encouraging. I will forego the cost of the Intel NICs and just go to 6.1-p6. Thank you very much. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 19:52:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4958916A403 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:52:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from trans-warp.net (hyperion.trans-warp.net [216.37.208.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7267F43D76 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:52:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unverified [65.193.73.208]) by trans-warp.net (SurgeMail 3.7a) with ESMTP id 74065781 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:52:09 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <7269D41C-C334-44DC-9549-ACB28F79014A@chrononomicon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Bart Silverstrim Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:51:08 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=-1980812739 X-Authenticated-User: bsilver@chrononomicon.com Subject: forwarding as a gateway, logging certain traffic X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:52:21 -0000 This will probably be kind of wordy, but I could use some advice on how to track it. I have a freebsd system acting as a gateway (it's using IP forwarding) so it can act as a web proxy server and filter for the users. It is also filtering incoming email to act as a mail filter between the Internet and our internal Exchange server. The firewall rules used for forwarding information to Squid are rather simple. Ipfw -list gives: ******* 00049 allow tcp from 10.46.255.253 to any 00050 fwd 10.46.255.253,3128 tcp from any to any 80 00100 allow ip from any to any via lo0 00200 deny ip from any to 127.0.0.0/8 00300 deny ip from 127.0.0.0/8 to any 65000 allow ip from any to any 65535 deny ip from any to any ******** The DHCP server then hands out the IP of the FreeBSD server as the gateway address. Something inside our network is infected with a spam-mailing trojan. We now have our PIX firewall set to block all outgoing traffic to port 25 unless it is from our mail server. After setting up a syslog monitor and checking the logs to see if the culprit would appear, what should appear but...the FreeBSD server. Then I smack my forehead; of course it would show up. It's supposed to be the gateway. The trojan computer hits the BSD system and from there hits the PIX...the PIX will be useless to find the culprit. Is there some way to get the FreeBSD system to log machines using port 25 without interfering with the FreeBSD machine's filtering of email function? Or at least make the traffic visible to sniffing with tcpdump or wireshark or ethereal? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 19:59:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F7AD16A49E for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:59:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsdwicker@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7312543D5E for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:59:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsdwicker@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so1855285uge for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:59:19 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=PzBvfq5RQEK0TWtjsDpwC9/9Q1VJUPUY0XBdOsled1l6Xfgd29ZbPTmhXARYvCIIe8o6lGzDm1B/WFzBkdb0Gktsu+Buk1tlw8qmEj1t4ZmrUtOETBwOq64moaXZJjmo8NGcGdbwvpCfNKW1d9zNg22YrKLguNzez7Z5Mr3FHYw= Received: by 10.64.209.6 with SMTP id h6mr4274899qbg; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.188.6 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2d19405f0609121259w66f7920bn99bdb2ce6b55bfc1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:59:17 -0700 From: "FreeBSD WickerBill" To: "Bob Walker" In-Reply-To: <004001c6d5a0$43ab6ef0$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060911053240.30d8117d.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> <004001c6d5a0$43ab6ef0$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie Experience #2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:59:35 -0000 Must have missed your rant Bob. You may want to check out PC-BSD, a graphical installer that loads the KDE desktop on completion and rides on FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p2. If your hardware is supported in FreeBSD then it's pretty painless. I dropped Windows at my home over 4 months ago and am not missing it. On 9/11/06, Bob Walker wrote: > > Thanks to *all* who responded to my whining -- you've been great, and I am > going to give FreeBSD another try. Apologies to all if I sounded like a > twit... I was just eager to try something new as I have had it with MS > products. Regards, > > Bob Walker > Surveys & Forecasts, LLC > 2323 North Street > Fairfield, CT 06824-1738 > T +1.203.255.0505 > F +1.203.549.0635 > M +1.203.685.8860 > www.safllc.com > > .................................................................... > NOTICE: The information in this message is intended only for the > person or entity to which it is addressed and contains confidential > and privileged material. 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(v2.11.02) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <186816020.20060912160233@gmail.com> To: "Jeff Rollin" In-Reply-To: <8a0028260609120341v61920cf5p3aad4710ef3bd634@mail.gmail.com> References: <8a0028260609120341v61920cf5p3aad4710ef3bd634@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: The Ports collection / FreeBSD CDs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ograbme List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:59:48 -0000 Howdie Jeff (if I may) and others, Tuesday, September 12, 2006, 6:41:38 AM, you wrote: JR> On 12/09/06, Arindam wrote: >> >> I chose not to install the ports collection because as of now, I do >> not have access to Internet in my home-network and it would take a >> little while before I can set it up for browsing. I too took this same approach as the box I installed FreeBSD 6.1 Release is not hooked up to the Internet. I bypassed installing the Ports collection. The installation went well and I have been refamiliarizing myself with Unix CLI commands and reading bits and pieces of documentation here and there. FreeBSD is pretty neat and has quite a few subtle differences from systems I worked on some years back, i.e., Solaris, HP-UX, etc. Anyway, now I would like to install the ports collection without having to reinstall the whole system again, if possible, thus my interest in this thread. For instance, I decided I wanted to install sudo ... JR> The FreeBSD installation program asks if you want "to install the ports JR> collection," but what it actually does is install a bunch of directories JR> (under /usr/ports) that you can use to browse what's available in the ports JR> collection. For example, to download a port, say, Firefox compiled for use JR> with the Linux compatibility layer, go into /usr/ports/linux/linux-firefox JR> and type: JR> $ make install clean Using the above info, I created /usr/ports directory (/usr was there, but not /ports of course as I hadn't installed the Ports collection). I created another directory under /usr/ports/ named /sudo, thus resulting in /usr/ports/sudo. I had mounted the ports CD I have and located sudo-1.6.8p12.tar.gz in the distfiles directory. I copied it over into the /usr/ports/sudo directory, gunzipped it, and then untarred it. I then made sure I was in the directory containing sudo.c and all its attendent other files and tried the above "make install clean". Unfortunately it was a no-go. Resultant message I received was: "make: Don't know how to make install. Stop" Obviously I've done something wrong here ... misstepped or tried to do the impossible, huh? LOL! Perhaps, sudo can only be installed via the pkg-add route per your mention below? I invoked sysinstall, but didn't see right away anything clearly indicating the "path to take" in resolving my dilemma. I'll keep reading and trying and may be stumble across the proper way to accomplish this, but all the while monitoring this email list for further enlightenment. Then again, may be I should just do a complete new install and select "Yes" to installing the Ports collection at that time, huh? Naaaaah, one has to mess up to learn! And trust me, I've learned quite a bit by reading yours and others comments and suggestions. Thank for all of you being so willing to share your knowledge. Thanks in advance. P.S. Please advise what the proper mode of responding is in terms of replying. I did a "reply all" (to both Jeff and the list) for my first submission. However, perhaps I should of only replied to the list to eliminate unnecessary traffic. JR> ($ stands for the prompt, as you probably know); make reads the Makefile, JR> and according to instructions in it, downloads the sources and compiles JR> them; make install and make clean (given here in shorthand) respectively JR> install the compiled port and clean up after make. JR> The alternative way to install software is from packages, which are JR> pre-compiled ports. You can use sysinstall to install them, or pkg_add from JR> the commandline. Disc2 mostly contains some of these packages (others are on JR> Disc1). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 20:09:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B4316A47B for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:09:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com (mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC3A843D83 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:08:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from collaborativefusion.com (mx01.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.201]) (TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by wingspan with esmtp; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:08:31 -0400 id 0005641C.450713BF.0000CA17 Received: from Internal Mail-Server (206.210.89.202) by mx01 (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 12 Sep 2006 16:05:42 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:08:30 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: Bart Silverstrim Message-Id: <20060912160830.b7a91061.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> In-Reply-To: <7269D41C-C334-44DC-9549-ACB28F79014A@chrononomicon.com> References: <7269D41C-C334-44DC-9549-ACB28F79014A@chrononomicon.com> Organization: Collaborative Fusion X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.7 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: forwarding as a gateway, logging certain traffic X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:09:06 -0000 In response to Bart Silverstrim : > This will probably be kind of wordy, but I could use some advice on > how to track it. > > I have a freebsd system acting as a gateway (it's using IP > forwarding) so it can act as a web proxy server and filter for the > users. It is also filtering incoming email to act as a mail filter > between the Internet and our internal Exchange server. > > The firewall rules used for forwarding information to Squid are > rather simple. Ipfw -list gives: > ******* > 00049 allow tcp from 10.46.255.253 to any > 00050 fwd 10.46.255.253,3128 tcp from any to any 80 > 00100 allow ip from any to any via lo0 > 00200 deny ip from any to 127.0.0.0/8 > 00300 deny ip from 127.0.0.0/8 to any > 65000 allow ip from any to any > 65535 deny ip from any to any > ******** > > The DHCP server then hands out the IP of the FreeBSD server as the > gateway address. > > Something inside our network is infected with a spam-mailing trojan. > We now have our PIX firewall set to block all outgoing traffic to > port 25 unless it is from our mail server. After setting up a syslog > monitor and checking the logs to see if the culprit would appear, > what should appear but...the FreeBSD server. > > Then I smack my forehead; of course it would show up. It's supposed > to be the gateway. The trojan computer hits the BSD system and from > there hits the PIX...the PIX will be useless to find the culprit. > > Is there some way to get the FreeBSD system to log machines using > port 25 without interfering with the FreeBSD machine's filtering of > email function? Or at least make the traffic visible to sniffing > with tcpdump or wireshark or ethereal? Off the top of my head ... ipfw add 25 log tcp from any to any 25 should work. There are certain kernel configs you have to have in place for logging to work, though. -- Bill Moran Collaborative Fusion Inc. **************************************************************** IMPORTANT: This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. 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The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. **************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 20:31:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC3E816A407 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:31:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.183]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5B243DA9 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:29:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin08-en2 [10.13.10.153]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout13/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k8CKSxCS004401; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:29:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [17.214.13.96] (a17-214-13-96.apple.com [17.214.13.96]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin08/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k8CKSiPK013524; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:28:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20060912160830.b7a91061.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> References: <7269D41C-C334-44DC-9549-ACB28F79014A@chrononomicon.com> <20060912160830.b7a91061.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chuck Swiger Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:28:39 -0700 To: Bill Moran X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-Language-Identified: TRUE Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Bart Silverstrim Subject: Re: forwarding as a gateway, logging certain traffic X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:31:01 -0000 On Sep 12, 2006, at 1:08 PM, Bill Moran wrote: >> Is there some way to get the FreeBSD system to log machines using >> port 25 without interfering with the FreeBSD machine's filtering of >> email function? Or at least make the traffic visible to sniffing >> with tcpdump or wireshark or ethereal? > > Off the top of my head ... > ipfw add 25 log tcp from any to any 25 > should work. There are certain kernel configs you have to have in > place for logging to work, though. Better to use something like: ipfw add 1 log tcp from any to me 25 setup If Bart would like to use tcpdump for the same purpose, consider running something like: tcpdump -nt 'port 25 and (tcp[tcpflags] & tcp-syn != 0)' -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 20:34:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1FD716A415 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:34:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com (mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C805C43D5E for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:34:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from collaborativefusion.com (mx01.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.201]) (TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by wingspan with esmtp; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:34:03 -0400 id 00056425.450719BB.0000D22B Received: from Internal Mail-Server (206.210.89.202) by mx01 (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 12 Sep 2006 16:31:14 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:34:02 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: Chuck Swiger Message-Id: <20060912163402.fe6d7325.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> In-Reply-To: References: <7269D41C-C334-44DC-9549-ACB28F79014A@chrononomicon.com> <20060912160830.b7a91061.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> Organization: Collaborative Fusion X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.7 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Bart Silverstrim Subject: Re: forwarding as a gateway, logging certain traffic X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:34:05 -0000 In response to Chuck Swiger : > On Sep 12, 2006, at 1:08 PM, Bill Moran wrote: > >> Is there some way to get the FreeBSD system to log machines using > >> port 25 without interfering with the FreeBSD machine's filtering of > >> email function? Or at least make the traffic visible to sniffing > >> with tcpdump or wireshark or ethereal? > > > > Off the top of my head ... > > ipfw add 25 log tcp from any to any 25 > > should work. There are certain kernel configs you have to have in > > place for logging to work, though. > > Better to use something like: > > ipfw add 1 log tcp from any to me 25 setup Yeah, that would be more concise. As a more permanent solution, why not set up ipfw on the FreeBSD machine to refuse to allow this to happen ever? ipfw add 5 allow tcp from any to me 25 setup ipfw add 6 allow tcp from me to any 25 setup ifpw add 7 drop tcp from any to any 25 setup I don't remember the rest of the rulset, but if you have an "established" rule, this should force all SMTP to use this machine as a relay, although you may need to tweak the rules to get them working right around nat. -- Bill Moran Collaborative Fusion Inc. **************************************************************** IMPORTANT: This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If the reader of this message is not an intended recipient (or the individual responsible for the delivery of this message to an intended recipient), please be advised that any re-use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is prohibited. 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The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. **************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 20:43:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD4816A4ED for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:43:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from trans-warp.net (hyperion.trans-warp.net [216.37.208.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0B143E36 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:39:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unverified [65.193.73.208]) by trans-warp.net (SurgeMail 3.7a) with ESMTP id 74070528 for multiple; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:38:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: <7269D41C-C334-44DC-9549-ACB28F79014A@chrononomicon.com> <20060912160830.b7a91061.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bart Silverstrim Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:37:53 -0400 To: Chuck Swiger X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=-1980812739 X-Authenticated-User: bsilver@chrononomicon.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Bill Moran Subject: Re: forwarding as a gateway, logging certain traffic X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:43:01 -0000 On Sep 12, 2006, at 4:28 PM, Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Sep 12, 2006, at 1:08 PM, Bill Moran wrote: >>> Is there some way to get the FreeBSD system to log machines using >>> port 25 without interfering with the FreeBSD machine's filtering of >>> email function? Or at least make the traffic visible to sniffing >>> with tcpdump or wireshark or ethereal? >> >> Off the top of my head ... >> ipfw add 25 log tcp from any to any 25 >> should work. There are certain kernel configs you have to have in >> place for logging to work, though. > > Better to use something like: > > ipfw add 1 log tcp from any to me 25 setup > > If Bart would like to use tcpdump for the same purpose, consider > running something like: > > tcpdump -nt 'port 25 and (tcp[tcpflags] & tcp-syn != 0)' Maybe my ipfw is old; it kept telling me that "log" is an invalid action. However, I think I may be able to get the tcpdump idea to work. Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 20:43:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCF4F16A500 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:43:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F2C43D5F for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:40:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com) Received: from frontend3.internal (frontend3.internal [10.202.2.152]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F206ADA605F for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:40:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat2.internal ([10.202.2.161]) by frontend3.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:40:03 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: cEZNDuoS1VGOHUEVa0megwsnmR883i3QqJSDzkNHeGVd 1158093544 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB8AF06C for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:39:03 -0400 (EDT) From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:38:58 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <8a0028260609120341v61920cf5p3aad4710ef3bd634@mail.gmail.com> <186816020.20060912160233@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <186816020.20060912160233@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609122139.00187.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> Subject: Re: The Ports collection / FreeBSD CDs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:43:01 -0000 On Tuesday 12 September 2006 21:02, ograbme wrote: > I had mounted the ports CD I have and located sudo-1.6.8p12.tar.gz in > the distfiles directory. I copied it over into the /usr/ports/sudo > directory, gunzipped it, and then untarred it. > > I then made sure I was in the directory containing sudo.c and all its > attendent other files and tried the above "make install clean". > Unfortunately it was a no-go. Resultant message I received was: > > "make: Don't know how to make install. Stop" > > Obviously I've done something wrong here ... misstepped or tried to do > the impossible, huh? LOL! Perhaps, The ports collection is a set of recipes that enable the the ports system to automatically fetch the source, extract it, patch it, build and install the result. You can do all this manually, but it's often not straightforward. And the added advantage is that software that's installed through the ports system is also registered in the package database- making it easier to deinstall and upgrade. Before you can build from ports, you need to have ports tree in place, the standard way to do this is by running portsnap. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 20:45:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3989B16A407 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:45:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1B2643D78 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:45:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin07-en2 [10.13.10.152]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout12/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k8CKjE9f019069; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:45:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [17.214.13.96] (a17-214-13-96.apple.com [17.214.13.96]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin07/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k8CKjCHR003998; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:45:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7269D41C-C334-44DC-9549-ACB28F79014A@chrononomicon.com> <20060912160830.b7a91061.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chuck Swiger Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:45:11 -0700 To: Bart Silverstrim X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-Language-Identified: TRUE Cc: FreeBSD Mailing Lists Subject: Re: forwarding as a gateway, logging certain traffic X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:45:30 -0000 On Sep 12, 2006, at 1:37 PM, Bart Silverstrim wrote: >> Better to use something like: >> >> ipfw add 1 log tcp from any to me 25 setup >> >> If Bart would like to use tcpdump for the same purpose, consider >> running something like: >> >> tcpdump -nt 'port 25 and (tcp[tcpflags] & tcp-syn != 0)' > > Maybe my ipfw is old; it kept telling me that "log" is an invalid > action. However, I think I may be able to get the tcpdump idea to > work. There's a kernel option you need to enable for IPFW to do logging. If you're kldload'ing the ipfw module, it probably wasn't compiled with IPFW_LOGGING or whatever the exact name is. Anyway, tcpdump should be your friend. :-) -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 20:47:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE0A116A403 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:47:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from trans-warp.net (hyperion.trans-warp.net [216.37.208.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F04EB43D7D for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:47:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unverified [65.193.73.208]) by trans-warp.net (SurgeMail 3.7a) with ESMTP id 74071311 for multiple; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:47:23 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: <7269D41C-C334-44DC-9549-ACB28F79014A@chrononomicon.com> <20060912160830.b7a91061.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7869C6E1-55F9-4028-AE9B-C0ED8044BA48@chrononomicon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bart Silverstrim Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:46:20 -0400 To: Chuck Swiger X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=-1980812739 X-Authenticated-User: bsilver@chrononomicon.com Cc: FreeBSD Mailing Lists Subject: Re: forwarding as a gateway, logging certain traffic X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:47:36 -0000 On Sep 12, 2006, at 4:45 PM, Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Sep 12, 2006, at 1:37 PM, Bart Silverstrim wrote: >>> Better to use something like: >>> >>> ipfw add 1 log tcp from any to me 25 setup >>> >>> If Bart would like to use tcpdump for the same purpose, consider >>> running something like: >>> >>> tcpdump -nt 'port 25 and (tcp[tcpflags] & tcp-syn != 0)' >> >> Maybe my ipfw is old; it kept telling me that "log" is an invalid >> action. However, I think I may be able to get the tcpdump idea to >> work. > > There's a kernel option you need to enable for IPFW to do logging. > If you're kldload'ing the ipfw module, it probably wasn't compiled > with IPFW_LOGGING or whatever the exact name is. I had set the verbosity (I think that was the parameter) from googling around earlier, but that doesn't seem to help. I'm probably missing an option somewhere else. But you're right...tcpdump will be my friend :-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 20:52:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C1516A412; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:52:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remko@freebsd.org) Received: from caelis.elvandar.org (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24B643D7C; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:52:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) by caelis.elvandar.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18CCB92FDE2; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:52:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from caelis.elvandar.org ([217.148.169.59]) by localhost (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27039-03; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:52:32 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <45071E18.5020908@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:52:40 +0200 From: Remko Lodder User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Macintosh/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Robillard References: <226ae0c60609121225x3a54fe80p18e85dae9c341207@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <226ae0c60609121225x3a54fe80p18e85dae9c341207@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by the elvandar.org maildomain Cc: FreeBSD Security Team , FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Re: jdk -- jar directory traversal vulnerability (CVE-2005-1080). X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: remko@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:52:35 -0000 David Robillard wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Are there any workaround or a patch for this security problem? > > FreeBSD Foundation's Java JDK and JRE 5.0 Update 7 binaries for > FreeBSD 6.1/i386: > > Affected package: diablo-jdk-freebsd6.i386.1.5.0.07.00 > Type of problem: jdk -- jar directory traversal vulnerability. > Reference: > > > > Many thanks, > > David Hello david, I corrected the entry, it should be fixed within little notice :) Thanks for the report! -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder ** remko@elvandar.org FreeBSD ** remko@FreeBSD.org /* Quis custodiet ipsos custodes */ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 21:13:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA1FB16A416 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:13:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19E3043D5E for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:13:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com) Received: from frontend3.internal (frontend3.internal [10.202.2.152]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBDACDA5D24; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat2.internal ([10.202.2.161]) by frontend3.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:13:46 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: 0joAKIG/os3dX4Rv23QUKw55GKVRaMa+WoOxzyX4x8Ur 1158095625 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAFA7F06A; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:13:45 -0400 (EDT) From: RW To: Odhiambo Washington , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:13:41 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <20060912194907.GA44560@ns2.wananchi.com> In-Reply-To: <20060912194907.GA44560@ns2.wananchi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609122213.43164.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> Cc: Subject: Re: ipfw - bandwidth throttling (sanity check!) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:13:52 -0000 On Tuesday 12 September 2006 20:49, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > Hello Security guy ;) > > I have tried very hard to understand ipfw just for the purpose of > bandwidth throttling for smtp service. > > Basically, I want to throttle the bandwidth used by my SMTP > server outbound to _anyone_ else except my ip blocks. > > My Server is 1.2.3.4 and my ip blocks are a.b.c.d/19 and > e.f.g.h/20 > > > Are the following rules sane enough? > > ipfw pipe 1 config bw 256Kbit/s > ipfw add pipe 1 tcp from 1.2.3.4 to not a.b.c.d/19 25 > ipfw add pipe 1 tcp from 1.2.3.4 to not e.f.g.h/20 25 This queues all outgoing smtp to the pipe. You also need to set net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass=1 to avoid the packets re-entering the rules on the next line. Setting that means that the packets cannot pass through dynamic rules. It is possible to use dynamic rules with dummynet, but it's a pain. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 21:14:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA79016A40F for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:14:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.26.172.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2579B43D6A for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:14:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id k8CLE0g1075253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:14:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id k8CLE0im075252 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:14:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA22770; Tue, 12 Sep 06 14:05:25 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 06 14:05:25 PDT From: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) Message-Id: <10609122105.AA22770@pluto.rain.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <8a0028260609120341v61920cf5p3aad4710ef3bd634@mail.gmail.com> <186816020.20060912160233@gmail.com> <200609122139.00187.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> In-Reply-To: <200609122139.00187.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> Subject: Re: The Ports collection / FreeBSD CDs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:14:31 -0000 > Before you can build from ports, you need to have ports tree > in place, the standard way to do this is by running portsnap. with the caveat that, at least in my recent experience, an up-to-date ports tree does not always play nicely with a not-updated base install from CD. OP might be better off loading the ports collection from the same CD set as the rest of the system. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 21:20:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6EF916A417 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:20:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C37EC43D66 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:20:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.208.251]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A043586509; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:20:46 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 84011-02; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:19:31 -0300 (ADT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-137-86-60.eastlink.ca [24.137.86.60]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 059D458653D; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:38:06 -0300 (ADT) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1027) id 02BF34ABC4; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:38:08 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D9B4A4DE; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:38:07 -0300 (ADT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:38:07 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" X-X-Sender: freebsd@ganymede.hub.org To: Erik Norgaard In-Reply-To: <45066012.3050904@locolomo.org> Message-ID: <20060912173756.T1031@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20060911231953.M1031@ganymede.hub.org> <45066012.3050904@locolomo.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RSS feeds for "important sites"? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:20:53 -0000 On Tue, 12 Sep 2006, Erik Norgaard wrote: > Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> >> I'm trying to get my rss reader configured up so that I no longer miss >> anything ... or, at least, make it easier to keep on top of everything ... >> >> I can't seem to find stuff like DaemonNews and such ... >> >> Does anyone have a list of BSD related RSS feeds that they'd be willing to >> share? > > There are FreeBSD feeds on the freebsd site. Ya, got those ... at least they were nice and obvious :) ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 21:21:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA73016A4A0 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:21:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iaccounts@ibctech.ca) Received: from pearl.ibctech.ca (pearl.ibctech.ca [209.167.58.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF06A43D6B for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:20:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from iaccounts@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 76595 invoked by uid 1002); 12 Sep 2006 21:20:55 -0000 Received: from iaccounts@ibctech.ca by pearl.ibctech.ca by uid 89 with qmail-scanner-1.22 (spamassassin: 2.64. Clear:RC:1(209.167.16.15):. Processed in 6.609534 secs); 12 Sep 2006 21:20:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xzibit) (steve@ibctech.ca@209.167.16.15) by pearl.ibctech.ca with (RC4-MD5 encrypted) SMTP; 12 Sep 2006 21:20:48 -0000 From: "Steve Bertrand" To: "'Bart Silverstrim'" Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:20:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcbWrR68+EQ+DBLRRiOiZGYysQTs5wAA6zVg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <7869C6E1-55F9-4028-AE9B-C0ED8044BA48@chrononomicon.com> X-Qmail-Scanner-Message-ID: <115809604867576589@pearl.ibctech.ca> Message-Id: <20060912212057.EF06A43D6B@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: forwarding as a gateway, logging certain traffic X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:21:03 -0000 > > There's a kernel option you need to enable for IPFW to do > logging. > > If you're kldload'ing the ipfw module, it probably wasn't compiled > > with IPFW_LOGGING or whatever the exact name is. > > I had set the verbosity (I think that was the parameter) from > googling around earlier, but that doesn't seem to help. I'm > probably missing an option somewhere else. Rebuild your kernel with the following options: options IPFIREWALL options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE=1000 Will have it log up to 1000 entries on a rule that specifies the log option. Alternatively, you can do something like: # ipfw add 100 allow log logamount 50000 .... to override the kernel config log amount. Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 22:04:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81DE516A5AB; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:04:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nectar@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.phi23.org (phi23.org [161.58.133.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3336543D45; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:04:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nectar@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [17.202.43.159] (A17-202-43-159.apple.com [17.202.43.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail.phi23.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D4CB28FE2; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:04:52 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <45071E18.5020908@FreeBSD.org> References: <226ae0c60609121225x3a54fe80p18e85dae9c341207@mail.gmail.com> <45071E18.5020908@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <684DAC90-B7E7-4EEA-A42B-83E95D4AF830@FreeBSD.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jacques Vidrine Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:04:51 -0700 To: remko@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Cc: FreeBSD Security Team , David Robillard , FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Re: jdk -- jar directory traversal vulnerability (CVE-2005-1080). X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:04:53 -0000 On 2006-09-12, at 13:52:40, Remko Lodder wrote: > David Robillard wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> Are there any workaround or a patch for this security problem? >> FreeBSD Foundation's Java JDK and JRE 5.0 Update 7 binaries for >> FreeBSD 6.1/i386: >> Affected package: diablo-jdk-freebsd6.i386.1.5.0.07.00 >> Type of problem: jdk -- jar directory traversal vulnerability. >> Reference: > ae7c-11d9-837d-000e0c2e438a.html> Many thanks, >> David > > Hello david, > > I corrected the entry, it should be fixed within little notice :) Hey, hold on a second... are you sure this has been fixed? As far as I know, Sun has never issues a patch for this vulnerability. Yay Sun! Cheers, -- Jacques Vidrine From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 22:12:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC6916A40F for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:12:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2DE443D6D for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:12:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from [172.23.170.137] (helo=anti-virus01-08) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNGUY-0003pR-GL; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:12:30 +0100 Received: from [82.41.35.166] (helo=[192.168.0.2]) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNGUU-0007oG-5l; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:12:26 +0100 Message-ID: <450730C9.4070309@dial.pipex.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:12:25 +0100 From: Alex Zbyslaw User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-GB; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060515 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris References: <1DCE50F2-FFCA-479D-9E68-11936F0076DB@cbpratt.prohosting.com> In-Reply-To: <1DCE50F2-FFCA-479D-9E68-11936F0076DB@cbpratt.prohosting.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NIC Questions for 6.1 Release X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:12:36 -0000 Chris wrote: > Is there any single source where one can go to see what has been > changed on the various components of the OS. Go to the source :-) http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ Especially for changes to limited components like a specific ethernet driver, it quite easy to see if anything has changed recently, as well as the comments in the commit logs. --Alex From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 22:31:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9180016A412 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:31:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from duncan.fbsd@gmail.com) Received: from smtp101.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp101.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.104]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 05C8B43D46 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:31:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from duncan.fbsd@gmail.com) Received: (qmail 76658 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2006 22:31:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.20?) (donaldj@ameritech.net@75.7.74.134 with plain) by smtp101.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2006 22:31:39 -0000 Message-ID: <4507352C.5030906@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:31:08 -0500 From: "Donald J. O'Neill" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060912) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <8a0028260609120341v61920cf5p3aad4710ef3bd634@mail.gmail.com> <186816020.20060912160233@gmail.com> <200609122139.00187.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> <10609122105.AA22770@pluto.rain.com> In-Reply-To: <10609122105.AA22770@pluto.rain.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Perry Hutchison Subject: Re: The Ports collection / FreeBSD CDs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:31:40 -0000 Perry Hutchison wrote: >> Before you can build from ports, you need to have ports tree >> in place, the standard way to do this is by running portsnap. > > with the caveat that, at least in my recent experience, an > up-to-date ports tree does not always play nicely with a > not-updated base install from CD. OP might be better off > loading the ports collection from the same CD set as the > rest of the system. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > That's very interesting. However, the ports tree on the CD isn't complete, as in: not all the ports are there. I stopped installing the ports tree from the install CD a long time ago for that reason. Don From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 22:37:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11BB916A407 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:37:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.233]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD4443D45 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:37:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so2180967wxd for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:37:26 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=N6Eehc5CtvG9GdFPKNST0l0B8KPNnBWi+Fy0v+3gqrLrSiMoJQxy4glK9Pm1cq5RhvStbTFluj59KHpTNuIBNwmpvx4ap4p1NWzqgMW/iEI5QFM2z4LQLe2tU8vyEnDA8lhTOFs62PxHebko/ZrMmeYOvtJlpoDH8Mleg3/cG/0= Received: by 10.90.78.1 with SMTP id a1mr2478245agb; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:30:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.98.12 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8a0028260609121530k5780d255n4a8fb62b5849f0e6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:30:42 +0100 From: "Jeff Rollin" Cc: "FreeBSD Questions Mailing List" In-Reply-To: <62629976.20060912173550@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8a0028260609120341v61920cf5p3aad4710ef3bd634@mail.gmail.com> <186816020.20060912160233@gmail.com> <8a0028260609121320l56dbe19cpe112e51d544c5c40@mail.gmail.com> <62629976.20060912173550@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Re[4]: The Ports collection / FreeBSD CDs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:37:28 -0000 On 12/09/06, ograbme wrote: > > Hello Jeff, > > First of all ... thanks for your help and suggestions ... please see > comments interwoven below. > > Tuesday, September 12, 2006, 4:20:51 PM, you wrote: > > > > JR> You need to go back into sysinstall and install the ports > JR> collection. That will give you the framework for downloading > JR> ports, but you will not be able to install them without network > JR> access. > > Understand. > > JR> If you want to install a package, the easiest way without > JR> network access is to go back into sysinstall and choose it from > JR> the "Packages" item. But, if the package you want is not available > JR> on the FreeBSD install discs (if you need to eject one and insert > JR> the other, it will tell you to), and you don't have a network > JR> connection, I'm afraid you're out of luck. > > This is the approach I took. All looked like it was going well until > the point of needing to switch cdroms. Couldn't do it. My cdrom > would not eject so I could switch CDROMs. Not sure what the problem > was/is, but got to thinking because it was mounted, i.e., mount /cdrom > manually initially by me before starting the "sysinstall" command. > Anyone I just ignored trying to install those packages that I had > selected and eventually finished up, but when finished, I could not > find the /usr/ports directory ... even though sysinstall reported > individually the selected packages were installed properly during the > process. Oh well, something went awry. I'll try again with hopefully > only selecting items from one cdrom to try to control the process in > that regard and see if I experience the same result. > > JR> If there's nothing else wrong with your system, you don't > JR> need to reinstall; just type "sysinstall" as the root user and > JR> you're in. > > I cannot with certainly vouch there is nothing wrong with my system. > It hasn't locked up; it hasn't conked out on me; I've been able to do > a number of things (albeit they are cursory type things ... nothing > big ... executing various Unix commands, creating a few small C > programs and compiling them with gcc tool, etc) thus far, without > incident. > > JR> BTW, I would delete your manually-created /usr/ports > JR> directory and everything in it, just in case. > > I did this prior to the above steps. The release I have installed is > FreeBSD 6.1 Release #0 May 07 ... perhaps this is part of the problems > I'm experiencing. I bought the FreeBSD Mall 4 CDROM, May 2006 > set. May be I need to try to get a newer version. I think I saw > where there is some release #2 mentioned by various list members. I > suppose I could download it from the web site and burn it. I'd only > need the first cdrom, right? > > Thanks in advance. While I may not be making "leaps and bounds", I do > feel I'm making some headway! > > Take care. This sounds like a bug to me; before you do anything else I would: 1. Make sure there is no /usr/ports directory; 2. Insert the FBSD CDROM, *without mounting it* 3. Run sysinstall and attempt to install the ports tree again. If this doesn't work, I would download the FBSD 6.1 CD from a mirror (it was 6.1 you were using, wasn't it?), burn it, and reinstall. If you are sure you don't need any packages from CD2, you can forgo downloading and burning that one. In fact if you have the net connection (and the patience), you can download a "bootonly" iso that, when used to boot the system, downloads everything else needed from the net. HTH (especially as if it does not, I'm out of ideas! :-/) BTW, if you DO end up reinstalling, make sure you reformat your partitions, as I have sometimes run out of space when attempting to reinstall on partitions with data still on them. Jeff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 23:49:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 386C416A40F for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:49:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from snagit@cbpratt.prohosting.com) Received: from n120.sc0.cp.net (smtpout1114.sc0.he.tucows.com [64.97.144.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E607D43D45 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:49:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from snagit@cbpratt.prohosting.com) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (67.47.213.85) by n120.sc0.cp.net (7.2.069.1) (authenticated as eagletree@hughes.net) id 4505953A0007F3EB; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:49:25 +0000 In-Reply-To: <450730C9.4070309@dial.pipex.com> References: <1DCE50F2-FFCA-479D-9E68-11936F0076DB@cbpratt.prohosting.com> <450730C9.4070309@dial.pipex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:49:14 -0700 To: Alex Zbyslaw X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NIC Questions for 6.1 Release X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:49:31 -0000 On Sep 12, 2006, at 3:12 PM, Alex Zbyslaw wrote: > Chris wrote: > >> Is there any single source where one can go to see what has been >> changed on the various components of the OS. > > > Go to the source :-) > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ > Wow! That's an excellent resource and the bge driver does have numerous changes that all dance around or on the same issues. It appears they've been being addressed for months. Supporting that, two people have responded and said both a Tyan and several IBMs are working perfectly with the Broadcom. Based on the 6.1-RELEASE-p6 AMD64 system I did yesterday (a different server), I didn't see any of these changes on the source date for if_bge.c. I'm guessing this has to do with how I cvsup and the fact that I remain tracking only 6.1-RELEASE. I used: *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_6_1 in the supfile and these changes are not pulled under that tag. How does one approach that, set the tag to RELENG_6 which does grab these. From the handbook it seems to recommend not moving forward from a "RELEASE" for a production type of implementation. How does one grab specific changes to a driver without actually cvsupping to that entire revision or am I missing something really basic and I should be using the RELENG_6 tag for my production servers? It really looks like that's the version of the bge driver I should be using. Thanks for all this input, it's pretty embarrassing to idle such a cool server for 6 months ;-), Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 00:39:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9468D16A403 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:39:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.26.172.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 473A643D45 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:39:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id k8D0dHof033417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:39:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id k8D0dHtC033410; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA23373; Tue, 12 Sep 06 17:30:43 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 06 17:30:43 PDT From: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) Message-Id: <10609130030.AA23373@pluto.rain.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <8a0028260609120341v61920cf5p3aad4710ef3bd634@mail.gmail.com> <186816020.20060912160233@gmail.com> <200609122139.00187.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> <10609122105.AA22770@pluto.rain.com> <4507352C.5030906@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4507352C.5030906@gmail.com> Cc: duncan.fbsd@gmail.com Subject: Re: The Ports collection / FreeBSD CDs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:39:44 -0000 > > ... at least in my recent experience, an up-to-date ports tree > > does not always play nicely with a not-updated base install from > > CD. > > That's very interesting. However, the ports tree on the CD isn't > complete, as in: not all the ports are there. Any idea why? (I am referring to the ports tree itself, i.e. the collection of skeleton directories. The set of distfiles provided on CDs 3 and 4 is necessarily incomplete, both due to limited space and because some distfiles have legal restrictions that prevent their inclusion.) > I stopped installing the ports tree from the install CD a long > time ago for that reason. Perhaps sysinstall's rather strong recommendation to install the ports ought to be toned down a bit, e.g. to suggest installing the ports from CD only if one does not have a high-speed Internet connection. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 01:56:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D63516A403 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 01:56:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trunasuci@mail.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39BC243D45 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 01:56:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trunasuci@mail.com) Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 90BB21800128 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 02:01:07 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.81) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 13 Sep 2006 02:01:10 -0000 Received: by ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D20FF1F50B1; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 02:01:09 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Ahmad Arafat Abdullah" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:01:09 -0800 Received: from [60.49.202.201] by ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for trunasuci@mail.com; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:01:09 -0800 X-Originating-Ip: 60.49.202.201 X-Originating-Server: ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060913020109.D20FF1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Subject: libm.so.3 on FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 01:56:30 -0000 Hye everyone.. For my customer i need to install Kaspersky antivirus for mailserver and for this case I'm using pkg build for version 5x.. ( no pkg for 6x yet ) the problem is, installation seems like successfull but when i want to key = in the key ( for antivirus verification ), then this msg appears.. freebsdmail# /usr/local/share/kav/5.5/kav4mailservers/bin/licensemanager /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libm.so.3" not found, required by = "licensemanager" I've checked with google and also this link: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2005-August/025330.html freebsdmail# uname -a FreeBSD freebsdmail.mine.nu 6.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE #0: Sun May 7 = 04:42:56 UTC 2006 root@opus.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP i= 386 my plan is to cvsup to -p6 and see if the problem already solved or not.. b= ut during this time,=20 can anyone give me clue what am i missing here? TQ Arafat System Engineer --=20 ___________________________________________________ Now you can search for products and services http://search.mail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 02:05:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B6516A403 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 02:05:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from musashi.gunryu@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 514C043D45 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 02:05:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from musashi.gunryu@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n29so1710322nfc for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:05:08 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=jr2Z1EqoPcWjO4ScT5gCb9FaknHisIBC+5aYlo4BOFEb9y7HPQbkPxKs5uh8peDWhBpRQ4Lr1//8ggQh4S1xhNvtxrYktypPyzCUcSMt4oaZwIl/fIpouuZNCNPIZZHmSTDt0X+ovnUsvpjv+CW3VtZEPrrrpqyn+oMabh+Anfg= Received: by 10.78.176.20 with SMTP id y20mr87980hue; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:05:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.158.20 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:05:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:05:07 +0800 From: "musashi miyamoto" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: pci modem question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 02:05:10 -0000 FreeBSD mori.ranmaru 6.1-STABLE FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE #0: Tue Sep 5 02:09:57 PHT 2006 mori@mori.ranmaru:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/SHOGUN i386 is there a dialup pci modem that is compatible with FreeBSD? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 02:20:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F8E516A40F for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 02:20:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from zeus.dfwlp.com (zeus.dfwlp.com [208.11.134.127]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0950943D45 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 02:20:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from athena.dfwlp.com (athena.dfwlp.com [192.168.125.83]) (authenticated bits=0) by zeus.dfwlp.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8D2K8JE031670 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:20:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) From: Jonathan Horne To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:20:07 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609122120.07984.freebsd@dfwlp.com> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on zeus.dfwlp.com Subject: question about fortune at login X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 02:20:10 -0000 what is the proper way to disable fortune? i deleted the .login file from my homedir... and it still runs at login! i would just as soon prefer to not see it when i log into my systems. can someone point me in the right direction? chmod -x on the binary seems to work... but i would rather know the proper way. cheers, jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 02:23:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A3B516A407 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 02:23:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from zeus.dfwlp.com (zeus.dfwlp.com [208.11.134.127]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF3743D49 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 02:23:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from athena.dfwlp.com (athena.dfwlp.com [192.168.125.83]) (authenticated bits=0) by zeus.dfwlp.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8D2Nkpl031699 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:23:47 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) From: Jonathan Horne To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:23:46 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <20060913020109.D20FF1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> In-Reply-To: <20060913020109.D20FF1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609122123.46794.freebsd@dfwlp.com> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on zeus.dfwlp.com Subject: Re: libm.so.3 on FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 02:23:51 -0000 On Tuesday 12 September 2006 21:01, Ahmad Arafat Abdullah wrote: > Hye everyone.. > > For my customer i need to install Kaspersky antivirus for mailserver > and for this case I'm using pkg build for version 5x.. ( no pkg for 6x yet > ) > > the problem is, installation seems like successfull but when i want to key > in the key ( for antivirus verification ), then this msg appears.. > > > freebsdmail# /usr/local/share/kav/5.5/kav4mailservers/bin/licensemanager > /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libm.so.3" not found, required by > "licensemanager" > > > > I've checked with google and also this link: > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2005-August/025330.html > > > > freebsdmail# uname -a > FreeBSD freebsdmail.mine.nu 6.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE #0: Sun May 7 > 04:42:56 UTC 2006 root@opus.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP > i386 > > > > my plan is to cvsup to -p6 and see if the problem already solved or not.. > but during this time, can anyone give me clue what am i missing here? > > > TQ > Arafat > System Engineer cvsuping to -p6 wil not fix the problem. i had the exact same issue (except it was a list of 6 different .so files) getting the NetBackup 5.1 agent for UNIX to run on freebsd. my solution was as simple as: ln -s /lib/libm.so.4 /lib/libm.so.2 (NetBackup agent was looking for so.2) so in your case, just symlink the existing .4 to a .3, and you should be good to go. backwards compatibility should not be an issue. hth, jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 02:38:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6E116A403 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 02:38:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from duncan.fbsd@gmail.com) Received: from smtp111.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp111.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.94]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B28D743D49 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 02:38:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from duncan.fbsd@gmail.com) Received: (qmail 6949 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2006 02:38:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.20?) (donaldj@ameritech.net@75.7.74.134 with plain) by smtp111.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2006 02:38:12 -0000 Message-ID: <45076F0B.5090202@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:38:03 -0500 From: "Donald J. O'Neill" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060912) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Perry Hutchison References: <8a0028260609120341v61920cf5p3aad4710ef3bd634@mail.gmail.com> <186816020.20060912160233@gmail.com> <200609122139.00187.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> <10609122105.AA22770@pluto.rain.com> <4507352C.5030906@gmail.com> <10609130030.AA23373@pluto.rain.com> In-Reply-To: <10609130030.AA23373@pluto.rain.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Ports collection / FreeBSD CDs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 02:38:14 -0000 Perry Hutchison wrote: >>> ... at least in my recent experience, an up-to-date ports tree >>> does not always play nicely with a not-updated base install from >>> CD. >> That's very interesting. However, the ports tree on the CD isn't >> complete, as in: not all the ports are there. > > Any idea why? (I am referring to the ports tree itself, i.e. the > collection of skeleton directories. The set of distfiles provided > on CDs 3 and 4 is necessarily incomplete, both due to limited space > and because some distfiles have legal restrictions that prevent > their inclusion.) > >> I stopped installing the ports tree from the install CD a long >> time ago for that reason. > > Perhaps sysinstall's rather strong recommendation to install the > ports ought to be toned down a bit, e.g. to suggest installing > the ports from CD only if one does not have a high-speed Internet > connection. > You've asked a question, given some clarification as to what you are referring to, and I can tell you I don't have anything other than possibilities - which may be far from the truth - as to why this is. You're referring to a 4 CD set, that can't be downloaded from FreeBSD.org, that has to come from somewhere else, such as the FreeBSD Mall or somewhere else. I would use that if I couldn't connect to the Internet at all. Maybe, I should say: I can't tell you why it is that way. I've never been very concerned about it, just understood that it was that way and lived with it. I've never had a problem with an up-to-date ports tree not playing nicely with a RELEASE or a STABLE install. I suspect the reason is that I just never happened to up-date the ports tree at a time when there were problems. It does happen at times, but then... You've probably heard the advice "somethings wrong with your ports tree, blow it off and re-install it." It's not a big problem to deal with, the problem comes when you need to do it and don't. Sysinstall only asks if you want to install the ports tree. If I was going to update it with cvsup, I would install it from there. I use portsnap, so I don't install it from the CD. Yes, I have a hi-speed connection. It makes things easier. I wouldn't be without it. Don From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 02:41:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A6116A417 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 02:41:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED58643D5F for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 02:41:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1GNKgm-0002Us-QH for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 03:41:24 +0100 Received: from esperance.zetnet.co.uk (54-144.adsl.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.54.144]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.13.6/8.13.6/Debian-1) with SMTP id k8D2fMii006824 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 03:41:22 +0100 Received: (qmail 70780 invoked by uid 1001); 13 Sep 2006 02:41:17 -0000 From: "Frank Shute" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 03:41:17 +0100 To: ograbme Message-ID: <20060913024117.GA65435@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <8a0028260609120341v61920cf5p3aad4710ef3bd634@mail.gmail.com> <186816020.20060912160233@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <186816020.20060912160233@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p3 i386 X-Organisation: 'Esperance Linux' X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (zetnet.co.uk [194.247.46.1]); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 03:41:23 +0100 (BST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Ports collection / FreeBSD CDs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 02:41:32 -0000 On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 04:02:33PM -0400, ograbme wrote: > > Howdie Jeff (if I may) and others, > > Tuesday, September 12, 2006, 6:41:38 AM, you wrote: > > JR> On 12/09/06, Arindam wrote: > > > >> > >> I chose not to install the ports collection because as of now, I do > >> not have access to Internet in my home-network and it would take a > >> little while before I can set it up for browsing. > > > > I too took this same approach as the box I installed FreeBSD 6.1 > Release is not hooked up to the Internet. I bypassed installing the > Ports collection. The installation went well and I have been > refamiliarizing myself with Unix CLI commands and reading bits and > pieces of documentation here and there. FreeBSD is pretty neat and has > quite a few subtle differences from systems I worked on some years > back, i.e., Solaris, HP-UX, etc. > > Anyway, now I would like to install the ports collection without > having to reinstall the whole system again, if possible, thus my > interest in this thread. > > For instance, I decided I wanted to install sudo ... > > > > JR> The FreeBSD installation program asks if you want "to install the ports > JR> collection," but what it actually does is install a bunch of directories > JR> (under /usr/ports) that you can use to browse what's available in the ports > JR> collection. For example, to download a port, say, Firefox compiled for use > JR> with the Linux compatibility layer, go into /usr/ports/linux/linux-firefox > JR> and type: > > JR> $ make install clean > > Using the above info, I created /usr/ports directory (/usr was there, > but not /ports of course as I hadn't installed the Ports collection). > I created another directory under /usr/ports/ named /sudo, thus > resulting in /usr/ports/sudo. > > I had mounted the ports CD I have and located sudo-1.6.8p12.tar.gz in > the distfiles directory. I copied it over into the /usr/ports/sudo > directory, gunzipped it, and then untarred it. > > I then made sure I was in the directory containing sudo.c and all its > attendent other files and tried the above "make install clean". > Unfortunately it was a no-go. Resultant message I received was: > > "make: Don't know how to make install. Stop" > > Obviously I've done something wrong here ... misstepped or tried to do > the impossible, huh? LOL! Perhaps, sudo can only be installed via the > pkg-add route per your mention below? I invoked sysinstall, but didn't > see right away anything clearly indicating the "path to take" in > resolving my dilemma. I'll keep reading and trying and may be stumble > across the proper way to accomplish this, but all the while monitoring > this email list for further enlightenment. > > Then again, may be I should just do a complete new install and select > "Yes" to installing the Ports collection at that time, huh? Naaaaah, > one has to mess up to learn! And trust me, I've learned quite a bit > by reading yours and others comments and suggestions. Thank for all > of you being so willing to share your knowledge. > > Thanks in advance. Go grab the compressed, reasonably up to date ports tree: $ fetch -dpv ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/ports/ports.tar.gz (warning! 35MB compressed) and: # mv ports.tar.gz /usr/ports # cd /usr/ports # tar xvzf ports.tar.gz to build sudo, first check that there's nothing funny with building sudo: $ cat /usr/ports/UPDATING | grep sudo if there's nothing then: # cd /usr/ports/security/sudo/ # make install clean Then read the handbook about keeping your ports tree up to date using portsnap or cvsup. > > P.S. Please advise what the proper mode of responding is in terms of > replying. I did a "reply all" (to both Jeff and the list) for my > first submission. However, perhaps I should of only replied to the > list to eliminate unnecessary traffic. > > > That's OK. I usually post to the list and cc to the person who posted in the first place as they may not be subscribed to the list. Welcome to FreeBSD! -- Frank echo "f r a n k @ e s p e r a n c e - l i n u x . c o . u k" | sed 's/ //g' --->PGP keyID: 0x10BD6F4B<--- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 02:54:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C559A16A40F for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 02:54:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from backyard1454-bsd@yahoo.com) Received: from web83109.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web83109.mail.mud.yahoo.com [216.252.101.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 463B143D46 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 02:54:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from backyard1454-bsd@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 3987 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Sep 2006 02:54:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hx2unnIxYTrQdXCG+OdeBOL3yfKwPm+aIBJmPFzzDjy6KIAyA08YHVk+Pr5Xv9p5VC8D08xR47hejgxkaRKuQEG7b+9XsG/tUR1Q6sGlnSJAGdTSlKHQ+3IETYK9A5gcPBtuzkNUE89TLk18z9hk3G1FiHIjk8fnwnN43l/Fmcw= ; Message-ID: <20060913025419.3985.qmail@web83109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [75.27.147.140] by web83109.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:54:19 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:54:19 -0700 (PDT) From: backyard To: Jeff Rollin , backyard1454-bsd@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: <8a0028260609120605h5c3e0dfey4b0976bf93d2c3d1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: backyard1454-bsd@yahoo.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 02:54:20 -0000 {expunged the old, typ} > > > > > > > > I've only been around since FreeBSD 5.4 > myself, > > > and > > > > found during installs that sysinstall would > get > > > > confused if you changed your mind and went > > > backwards > > > > through the menus to reconfigure options. it > seems > > > > like the one in 6.1 is a lot better, but maybe > I > > > just > > > > move back and forth less... > > > > > > > > That being said once it is installed it is a > > > million > > > > times easier to maintain and upgrade then any > > > Linux > > > > I've used. I had an old Digital 486 I had to > > > install > > > > Redhat 7.3 thinking I could easily update to > the > > > > latest kernel. I found I had to go through so > many > > > > dependancies to do so I finally said whatever > > > kernel > > > > was there was good enough. Talk about having > to be > > > a > > > > GNU guru to get things installed correctly > without > > > > clobbering the old stuff and running into > > > trouble... > > > > > > > > > I'm unconvinced you could take FreeBSD 4 box and > run > > > the kernel from 6.1 on > > > it without changing anything else. > > > > > > > well cvsupping to Rel_5 and running a make > buildworld > > && make buildkernel && make install kernel a > reboot > > some mergemaster magic an installworld some more > > mergemaster magic and then cvsupping to Rel_6 and > > repeating is still lighttyears easier then > watching > > the Linux kernel build stop, downloading the > sources, > > configuring the dependancy properly, uninstalling > the > > old, and reintalling the new. Especially when you > will > > be tracing dependancies for weeks, unless your a > > pretty good programmer, which I am not, and know > the > > dependancy chain of the core system. My point was > the > > relative ease of upgrading, not the technical > points > > of having missing object stubs. Of course you > can't > > put a cummins deisel in a pinto without working on > the > > frame first. > > > Shrug. I've had problems trying to recompile the > FreeBSD kernel too. It happens, I will admit it. I find things like enabling wpa_supplicant and forgeting device wlan is what trips me up most, or things along those lines... dependancies can be frustrating at best... And I have had experiences where a "patch" had a few typos in the commit and nothing works until it is recommitted correctly. I'm not going to even try to say FreeBSD is always sunshine and linux is farts. I still like the fullscreen console on my linux console, vs the tiny have utilized LCD on my FreeBSD console with my Dell Inspiron 1100. Know there has to be a fix, but haven't liked the answers I've read so far... > > > Of late I was using Gentoo which I found to be > > > FreeBSD > > > > like with its portage system, until recently > when > > > it > > > > seems they changed many system level interface > > > stuff > > > > sometime after April 2006 and now I cannot > seem to > > > > update it. > > > > > > > > > The developers say you should not leave updating > too > > > long... True, if you > > > are running FBSD 5.1 and need to update to 6.1, > 5.3 > > > is still there on the > > > servers, but you do have to go through the steps > of > > > installing that > > > intermediate version. > > > > well it was current as of april 8th when I made > the > > tape. I went on vacation in May and got back on or > > about the 17th of May. Updating HAS NOT WORKED > SINCE > > THEN. so if waiting 6 weeks is too long then so be > it. > > > 6 weeks too long? 6 months, *maybe*. > yeah between that tape which was the last update I recall doing (always TAPE things up before messing with it, learned that the hard way toooooooooo many times) and me getting back home from Tortola to plug in to the net and update portage and try to update. At that point I was only updating, and PAM was Blocking. I deleted it, the update failed at some point I got sick turned off the box and without PAM could never log back in. VERY FRUSTRATING, and I actually liked Gentoo a whole lot. But updating the penguin has never gone smooth for me in the long run... > I'm not going to constantly be emerging an update on > a > > daily basis to stay current, especially since > > Openoffice seems to change its release tag > everyother > > day on Gentoo and it puts a machine out of > commission > > for 8-12 hours to build it. When: > > > > emerge --update --deep --newuse --emptytree world > > > > fails with PAM blocking, mozilla blocking, and now > > Xorg blocking as well as some other odds and ends > > thats when I say BSD is for me. to me it is > > incomprehensible why I cannot rebuild the system > tree > > from scratch without software blocking the build. > It > > was fun while it lasted, and it was nice to be > away > > from winblows but in my experience linux is > slower, a > > pain to configure, impossible to update, and a > project > > started to emulate Unix. I'd much rather spend my > time > > learning Unix, then fighting with the emulator. > > > That was my point, that BSD was rewritten from the > ground up to avoid AT&T > patents. So whilst some might consider BSD "real > unix", it's really only > "emulating" V7 with Berkeley extensions. > BSD was always trying to rewrite the original AT&T code, while being compatible with the specification. They were researching how they could make the system more functional, more stable, more network friendly. Many of the features of later AT&T releases were from BSDs Work and research, FFS, TCP/IP, just to name a couple. FreeBSD extended this and did run into trouble in some of its earlier releases with AT&T "patents" (I would have to check my law books as I'm still studying for the patent bar, but software patents are still a fairly new concept. in the hey day of AT&T Unix I'm fairly certain the courts regarded algorithms to be applications of computer science; science of course being unpatentable by statutory bar. however the processes that defined what Unix was may have been in fact patentable, as a process can be patented. computers required some trickery to get it done in that it produced a tangeble result. However running the computer as an os would do produces no tangeble result and so would likely be barred.) and copyrights when the tradename was sold to Novell and the fun began... rewritting your code to follow the written standardize spec for Unix while avoiding copywritten code does not make you an emulator; it makes you an implementation. Linux does not follow the spec so much as writing a time sharing process oriented kernel with a system that is independant of Unix and its defined subsystems. It seeks to operate like Unix, but not be Unix. That to me is an emulation of Unix. It seeks to do all the things Unix can do, but not in a way that is what unix is. FreeBSD cannot call itself Unix because Title 35 of the USC, not because it is not necessarily unix. Linux is the kernel of the GNUnix system, but it alone can't be unix, because even when in a distribution of a linux system the core utilities do not follow the standards of Unix. They operate how the GNU community has come to expect them to using new options and non-standards compliant switches and interfaces. Their intent has always been to start from scratch with their own thing following a general POSIX spec where possible, but staying away from the overall Unix spec, and those nasty Copyright issues. They wanted to bake their own cake, and have been fairly succesful at it; but some folks just like pie. > > > > > Even a full system rebuild has blocking > > > > packages that boggle my mind as they were > compile > > > from > > > > source originally... > > > > > > > > > Stuff usually blocks if something about the way > it's > > > installed has changed > > > in an incompatible way - X.org moving from > > > monolithic to modular builds, for > > > example. This doesn't seem to have anything to > do > > > with (binary) packages. > > > > > > > well if I just delete the blockers and let them be > > fixed in the rebuild via them being dependancies > it > > still fails. and use flags are basically useless > in > > binary packages right? I don't like packages, I > like > > to see that the port(age) will build on my > machine, > > because I am a firm believer if you build it, it > will > > run... Not to mention you can set the options you > > want. > > > My point was that binary packages and blocking are > two separate issues. > I guess my point was I try to avoid packages like the plauge. What can I see I like to see the nonsense flying across a console while it is compiling from source... I find that over time it starts to make a lot of sense and let me see if I have other issues. Plus I often am using deprecated boxes my office has thrown away. and the proper CFLAGS on a pentium2 266Mhz machine MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE when compared to generic code. > > > > > > Linux is chaos? > > > > ABSOLUTELY, but only because I am not a developer, > and > > know of C code... I find you have to be completely > on > > top of what it is and then some to get anything > done. > > None of the core utilities seem to work together > with > > a common configuration. But this is my biased > opinion. > > Each POSIX system follows a spec, how they follow > it > > is up to them. I find Linux takes a helical route > > occastionally emergeing from event horizons. Plus > can > > any one really list what and why the kernel was > > changed since its creation??? No even Linus can do > > that, > > > Do you have proof of it? > > patches come in from everywhere, > > > But are only accepted if they get the go-ahead from > the "core team", to use > a FreeBSD term... > yeah of course these patches come from everyone thinking they can help/hack their way around problems. And I meant the accepted patches are all documented or at least recorded as to what they changed as far as "documentation" is concerned. I know you can get FreeBSD 1.0 based on in parts the original 4.4BSD-Lite Tape, which at that point contained only minor amounts of AT&T code anyway, some of the licensing issues were sentances in man pages. The major point is BSD/FreeBSD was is a research project that was always given specific features to add, and all the patches were recorded so you could get a snapshot of every accepted patch to the system that was ever posted. Linux was never centralized in development until recently. It all started when Linus was trying to get through College and had to do something for his thesis/senior project in computer science. Its goals were to make it run on i386 computers at the time and get as much functionality as possible. It now strives for POSIX compliance and is documented. My understanding is that serious documentation started around the 2.x.y kernel. All older kernels had no central repository other then what Linus included in his releases, and then their are all the vendor patches like Redhat, Gentoo, and everyone else. While they maybe documented somewhere, they're not/weren't in a centralized repository. I guess my main point of the whole discussion is there is one FreeBSD project tree, but Linux has its tree, and all the vendors versions floating around. To me that is chaos > and weren't > > docuemented until releatively recently. That is > Chaos > > my friend... > > > > > > Sysinstall does take a few installs to get down > pat, > > > > but once you do it can be setup almost in your > > > sleep. > > > > You do need to get used to the differences of > Unix > > > vs > > > > most PC OSs whereby you need to in laymens > term > > > > partition twice. A feature I love because it > keeps > > > > fstab making sense. > > > > > > > > Like anything you can't expect to try > something > > > > completely new without expecting to fall on > your > > > face > > > > a few times. I wouldn't just through on scuba > gear > > > and > > > > dive the Atlantic Ocean in search of the > > > Titanic... I > > > > would expect to have to read, maybe take some > > > classes > > > > (mess up FreeBSD bad and start over) and try > in a > > > pool > > > > instead of the ocean a few times (use > non-mission > > > > critical machines to learn with) > > > > > > > > The unfortunate truth is Unix is not Microsoft > > > > Windows, well some might consider it > > > unfortunate... > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I think you mean "fortunate truth"! > > > > > > Windows tells you what to do, what software you > must > > > > use, what drivers you must use, where you must > > > install > > > > things, what daemons listen to what ports and > > > their is > > > > little you can do to change it. Unix is just a > set > > > of > > > > simple commands strung together in scripts and > > > pipes > > > > that can do whatever you want it to do. X11 is > not > > > > Unix it is a software package designed to > allow > > > > netrocentric GUI applications to talk to a > screen, > > > > keyboard and mouse. Its a monster in and of > > > itself... > > > > Complete with its own documentation... > > > > > > > > Unfortunately it takes some time to learn how > to > > > work > > > > with FreeBSD and Unix in general. Some people > have > > > > been doing it there whole professional lives > and > > > > probably still are amazed when they see a new > > > little > > > > trick come out of some new hackers "toolbox." > > > There > > > > are a few simple rules, and the rest is on > you. > > > It's > > > > Unix's greatest strength and weakness rolled > into > > > one. > > > > Please don't give up on FreeBSD because of one > bad > > > > experience. Take the time to mess around with > it > > > and > > > > learn the basics and go from there. Or stick > with > > > > Linux its up to you. I will guarantee that > when it > > > > comes to upgrading the Linux box you will come > > > back to > > > > FreeBSD real quick... > > > > > > > > > Or Gentoo, Ubuntu or SuSE! ;-) > > > > if you must but I'm done with that penguin and its > a > > messy break up. I've always liked what Linux was > > doing, but I HATE the way it does it, and thats my > > totally biased opinion. > > > Well, at least you're honest! I find it is the only way to get away with being a stubborn prick. Well sometimes you can get away with it anyway... 8^) > > Jeff Rollin -brian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 02:59:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9368716A40F for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 02:59:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@hiwaay.net) Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 035D743D49 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 02:59:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dkelly@hiwaay.net) Received: (qmail 6755 invoked by uid 0); 13 Sep 2006 02:59:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.0.0.187?) (216.186.148.249) by smtp1.knology.net with SMTP; 13 Sep 2006 02:59:25 -0000 In-Reply-To: <200609122120.07984.freebsd@dfwlp.com> References: <200609122120.07984.freebsd@dfwlp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1F6C4663-D0DB-4061-8F67-86873A0086C8@hiwaay.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Kelly Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:59:29 -0500 To: Jonathan Horne X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: question about fortune at login X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 02:59:27 -0000 On Sep 12, 2006, at 9:20 PM, Jonathan Horne wrote: > what is the proper way to disable fortune? i deleted the .login > file from my > homedir... and it still runs at login! Depends on what shell you are using, but with tcsh moving ~/.login to ~/dot.login ended fortune for me via ssh login. What I don't much care for is the large /etc/motd which ships stock with FreeBSD. So that and /etc/hosts are the only files I hack and override manually when using mergemaster. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 03:16:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D32716A403 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 03:16:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trunasuci@mail.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC2B643D45 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 03:16:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trunasuci@mail.com) Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 8090A180012B for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 03:21:19 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.49) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 13 Sep 2006 03:21:21 -0000 Received: by ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8F0741BF287; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 03:20:35 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Ahmad Arafat Abdullah" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:20:35 -0800 Received: from [60.49.202.201] by ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for trunasuci@mail.com; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:20:35 -0800 X-Originating-Ip: 60.49.202.201 X-Originating-Server: ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060913032035.8F0741BF287@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Subject: Re: libm.so.3 on FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 03:16:40 -0000 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jonathan Horne" > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: libm.so.3 on FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE > Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:23:46 -0500 >=20 >=20 > On Tuesday 12 September 2006 21:01, Ahmad Arafat Abdullah wrote: > > Hye everyone.. > > > > For my customer i need to install Kaspersky antivirus for mailserver > > and for this case I'm using pkg build for version 5x.. ( no pkg for 6x = yet > > ) > > > > the problem is, installation seems like successfull but when i want to = key > > in the key ( for antivirus verification ), then this msg appears.. > > > > > > freebsdmail# /usr/local/share/kav/5.5/kav4mailservers/bin/licensemanager > > /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libm.so.3" not found, required= by > > "licensemanager" > > > > > > > > I've checked with google and also this link: > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2005-August/025330.html > > > > > > > > freebsdmail# uname -a > > FreeBSD freebsdmail.mine.nu 6.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE #0: Sun May= 7 > > 04:42:56 UTC 2006 root@opus.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SM= P i386 > > > > > > > > my plan is to cvsup to -p6 and see if the problem already solved or not= .. > > but during this time, can anyone give me clue what am i missing here? > > > > > > TQ > > Arafat > > System Engineer >=20 > cvsuping to -p6 wil not fix the problem. i had the exact same issue (exc= ept > it was a list of 6 different .so files) getting the NetBackup 5.1 agent f= or > UNIX to run on freebsd. my solution was as simple as: >=20 > ln -s /lib/libm.so.4 /lib/libm.so.2 >=20 > (NetBackup agent was looking for so.2) >=20 > so in your case, just symlink the existing .4 to a .3, and you should be = good > to go. backwards compatibility should not be an issue. >=20 > hth, > jonathan TQ so much Jonathan.. I've do link the libm.so and libc.so. freebsdmail# /usr/local/share/kav/5.5/kav4mailservers/bin/licensemanager -a= /home/trunasuci/ /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libm.so.3" not found, required by = "licensemanager" freebsdmail# cd /lib freebsdmail# ln -s libm.so.4 libm.so.3 freebsdmail# ls -l total 3096 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Sep 5 20:37 geom -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 48260 May 7 11:56 libalias.so.5 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 10720 May 7 11:56 libatm.so.3 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 8388 May 7 11:56 libbegemot.so.2 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 114524 May 7 11:56 libbsdxml.so.2 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 48472 May 7 11:56 libbsnmp.so.3 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 882116 May 7 11:56 libc.so.6 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 56276 May 7 11:56 libcam.so.3 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 28680 May 7 11:55 libcrypt.so.3 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 995056 May 7 11:57 libcrypto.so.4 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 18548 May 7 11:56 libdevstat.so.5 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 84248 May 7 11:56 libedit.so.5 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 12952 May 7 11:56 libgeom.so.3 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 7604 May 7 11:56 libgpib.so.1 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 22728 May 7 11:56 libipsec.so.2 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 5700 May 7 11:56 libipx.so.3 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 8304 May 7 11:56 libkiconv.so.2 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 21936 May 7 11:55 libkvm.so.3 lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 9 Sep 13 10:42 libm.so.3 -> libm.so.4 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 98120 May 7 11:55 libm.so.4 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 55160 May 7 11:55 libmd.so.3 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 256684 May 7 11:55 libncurses.so.6 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 179196 May 7 11:56 libreadline.so.6 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 5556 May 7 11:55 libsbuf.so.3 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 8928 May 7 11:56 libufs.so.3 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 43576 May 7 11:56 libutil.so.5 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 60672 May 7 11:56 libz.so.3 freebsdmail# /usr/local/share/kav/5.5/kav4mailservers/bin/licensemanager -a= /home/trunasuci/ /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libc.so.5" not found, required by = "licensemanager" freebsdmail# ln -s libc.so.6 libc.so.5 freebsdmail# /usr/local/share/kav/5.5/kav4mailservers/bin/licensemanager -a= /home/trunasuci/********.key Kaspersky license manager for FreeBSD 5.x. Version 5.5.10/RELEASE #11 Copyright (C) Kaspersky Lab, 1997-2005. Portions Copyright (C) Lan Crypto Key file /home/trunasuci/********.key has been successfully registered yesss.. it's done.. now i'll proceed with some setup/tweaking.. TQ again :) Arafat System Engineer --=20 ___________________________________________________ Now you can search for products and services http://search.mail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 03:42:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4AF016A403 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 03:42:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91BF843D45 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 03:42:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) id k8D3g7c1055926; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:42:07 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:42:07 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: Ahmad Arafat Abdullah Message-ID: <20060913034206.GB66844@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20060913032035.8F0741BF287@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060913032035.8F0741BF287@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-OS: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: libm.so.3 on FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 03:42:09 -0000 In the last episode (Sep 12), Ahmad Arafat Abdullah said: > From: "Jonathan Horne" > > On Tuesday 12 September 2006 21:01, Ahmad Arafat Abdullah wrote: > > > freebsdmail# /usr/local/share/kav/5.5/kav4mailservers/bin/licensemanager > > > /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libm.so.3" not found, required by > > > "licensemanager" > > > > cvsuping to -p6 wil not fix the problem. i had the exact same > > issue (except it was a list of 6 different .so files) getting the > > NetBackup 5.1 agent for UNIX to run on freebsd. my solution was as > > simple as: > > > > ln -s /lib/libm.so.4 /lib/libm.so.2 > > > > (NetBackup agent was looking for so.2) > > > > so in your case, just symlink the existing .4 to a .3, and you > > should be good to go. backwards compatibility should not be an > > issue. > > TQ so much Jonathan.. > I've do link the libm.so and libc.so. You don't want to do this. Install the misc/compat5x port instead (and install the misc/compat4x port if you need libm.so.2). -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 03:46:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D845316A403 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 03:46:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9362043D46 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 03:46:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79DC41A3C1A; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:46:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D6FEE511C8; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:46:20 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: Jonathan Horne Message-ID: <20060913034620.GA87858@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20060913020109.D20FF1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> <200609122123.46794.freebsd@dfwlp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200609122123.46794.freebsd@dfwlp.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: libm.so.3 on FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 03:46:21 -0000 --WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 09:23:46PM -0500, Jonathan Horne wrote: > cvsuping to -p6 wil not fix the problem. i had the exact same issue (exc= ept=20 > it was a list of 6 different .so files) getting the NetBackup 5.1 agent f= or=20 > UNIX to run on freebsd. my solution was as simple as: >=20 > ln -s /lib/libm.so.4 /lib/libm.so.2 >=20 > (NetBackup agent was looking for so.2) >=20 > so in your case, just symlink the existing .4 to a .3, and you should be = good=20 > to go. backwards compatibility should not be an issue. That's a bogus hack; the libraries are not compatible or they'd have the same version! Just install the relevant compat package (compat4x/compat5x). Kris --WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFB38MWry0BWjoQKURAp39AKDuIhab0r5qRN8qT1rEOq4cjHOm0QCgktzA x1XIY8Hhb5iT9VwIFGwLVcc= =1v3W -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 04:10:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19BE116A403 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:10:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralphellis@netscape.ca) Received: from smtp-2.vancouver.ipapp.com (smtp-2.vancouver.ipapp.com [216.152.192.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994E143D45 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:10:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ralphellis@netscape.ca) Received: from [192.168.123.100] ([172.153.151.169]) by smtp-2.vancouver.ipapp.com ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:10:15 -0700 From: Ralph Ellis To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:10:07 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609130010.07929.ralphellis@netscape.ca> X-Rcpt-To: X-Country: US Subject: Re: pci modem question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:10:21 -0000 On Tuesday 12 September 2006 7:05 pm, musashi miyamoto wrote: > FreeBSD mori.ranmaru 6.1-STABLE FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE #0: Tue Sep 5 02:09:57 > PHT 2006 mori@mori.ranmaru:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/SHOGUN i386 > > > is there a dialup pci modem that is compatible with FreeBSD? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" You might try Multitech. I know that their external modems work and while I have not tried their internal pci ones, most of their line works with linux and consequently should work with FreeBSD, Ralph Ellis From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 05:25:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4834716A40F for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 05:25:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wash@wananchi.com) Received: from ns2.wananchi.com (ns2.wananchi.com [62.8.64.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 822A243D55 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 05:25:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wash@wananchi.com) Received: from wash by ns2.wananchi.com with local (Exim 4.63 #0 (FreeBSD 4.11-STABLE)) id 1GNNFU-000ECQ-8L by authid for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:25:24 +0300 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:25:24 +0300 From: Odhiambo Washington To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060913052524.GB11678@ns2.wananchi.com> Mail-Followup-To: Odhiambo Washington , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20060912194907.GA44560@ns2.wananchi.com> <200609122213.43164.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200609122213.43164.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> X-Disclaimer: Any views expressed in this message, where not explicitly attributed otherwise, are mine alone!. X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.12 (2006-07-14) X-Designation: Systems Administrator, Wananchi Online Ltd. X-Location: Nairobi, KE, East Africa. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 Subject: Re: ipfw - bandwidth throttling (sanity check!) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 05:25:38 -0000 * On 12/09/06 22:13 +0100, RW wrote: | On Tuesday 12 September 2006 20:49, Odhiambo Washington wrote: | > Hello Security guy ;) | > | > I have tried very hard to understand ipfw just for the purpose of | > bandwidth throttling for smtp service. | > | > Basically, I want to throttle the bandwidth used by my SMTP | > server outbound to _anyone_ else except my ip blocks. | > | > My Server is 1.2.3.4 and my ip blocks are a.b.c.d/19 and | > e.f.g.h/20 | > | > | > Are the following rules sane enough? | > | > ipfw pipe 1 config bw 256Kbit/s | > ipfw add pipe 1 tcp from 1.2.3.4 to not a.b.c.d/19 25 | > ipfw add pipe 1 tcp from 1.2.3.4 to not e.f.g.h/20 25 | | This queues all outgoing smtp to the pipe. | | You also need to set net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass=1 to avoid the packets | re-entering the rules on the next line. Setting that means that the packets | cannot pass through dynamic rules. It is possible to use dynamic rules with | dummynet, but it's a pain. Thank you so much for clarifying that. What I wanted to be clarified is if it is true that "smtp traffic to a.b.c.d/19 and e.f.g.h/20" is NOT being put through this pipe.. net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass=1 seems to be the default on my system. Not sure why, but I will RTFM about it. -Wash http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html DISCLAIMER: See http://www.wananchi.com/bms/terms.php -- +======================================================================+ |\ _,,,---,,_ | Odhiambo Washington Zzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ | Wananchi Online Ltd. www.wananchi.com |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-'| Tel: +254 20 313985-9 +254 20 313922 '---''(_/--' `-'\_) | GSM: +254 722 743223 +254 733 744121 +======================================================================+ If only one could get that wonderful feeling of accomplishment without having to accomplish anything. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 06:16:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45A3316A415 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 06:16:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arindam.mukerjee@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1C6343D45 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 06:16:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from arindam.mukerjee@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so2780742pye for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:16:05 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rFIq57AA+KoIk82tpAQOdUM77Fwiuw5faG9I/T+wnXz20hJZSUnKrqR39iUbC4WACzHar1xZG8CNInQ1V2XpmRtL9CCMG8W2Aycj8WFLzOKLTwM9mxXpbSVWLmo0AZaqzNLACH9YINJckSYqnkFYaKT3o1FudR7GLKne41oTUH0= Received: by 10.35.88.18 with SMTP id q18mr12359069pyl; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.13.20 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:46:04 +0530 From: Arindam To: "Jerold McAllister" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X Configuration Woes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 06:16:06 -0000 > > Some updates: > > > > Following this I did a fresh install using the FreeBSD6.1 CD1. Xorg > > installed is 6.9.0. > > I did not run xorgconfig or anything. There was no /etc/X11/xorg.conf > > either. From the command-line I ran "xdm" and the GUI started ... I > > could login ... and then that's about it. > > > > 1. The Mouse still does not work ... may be I should try MouseSystems > > protocol. > > I can't say much about the mouse. I usually let it figure out > things itself and it works. Is it a plain ps2 mouse (with round ps2 > connector)? I just do the mouse test during sysinstall and it works. Well, well ... sometimes I feel these days being a Linux user is no big deal. May be it never was but at least in the old days, by being a Linux user, I used to be more aware of what goes inside my box and what lights blink to tell what story. These days, Linux ... should I say most of the distros rather, make you feel like a pampered fuzzy user ... you really don't need to know an awful lot more about your box to get a fully functional system than you need to install M$ Window$. Some like it that way, but for me the fun is lost ... perhaps _the_ reason why I switched to FreeBSD ... anything comparable could do for me but I just happened to get my hands on these couple of ISOs. > > > 2. What should I do about GNOME / KDE etc. I am not aching to get a > > jazzy a GUI on my FreeBSD installation. I can make do with a very > > minimal one. But I want a minimal one at least now, I just have to get > > this running or I can't sleep. > > If you don't want a fancy GUI desktop, then skip KDE and Gnome. > > I prefer to use Afterstep. It installs nicely. > It is found in ports at /usr/ports/x11-wm/afterstep > It can be a little confusing at first to set up and configure - as are > all X things - but after getting it configured for me, it gives me what I > need: several windows for logging in to various hosts, a button to bring > up Firefoxand X support for whatever I run, such as OpenOffice or Xpdf > or Xmahjongg and a couple of other games, etc. > > The only thing I haven't managed to my liking is getting it to create > anchor buttons for each thing when I bring it up. It only does so for the > minimized windows. I got that in one version, but it seemed to mess up > the focus control and click to bring forward action so I gave up on that. > > I edited: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc > to make it work my way. I think you can make individual .xinitrc files > in home directories as well, but I wanted mine to work for all of my > small handful of accounts so I edited the main one. I am tired of these two lookalikes ... KDE and GNOME. They weren't in the olden days ... but they have undergone some serious plastic surgery of late and now I don't like the taste of either. So XFCE or Afterstep would be welcome changes. As another poster mentioned Ratpoison, I would be keen to find out about it too ... since it has been dubbed for being keyboard friendly. I hate mice. > > Have fun, You bet I am having fun. I am writing a blog article on why I picked up FreeBSD. You can find it after a while on my sparse blog http://shoddykid.blogspot.com. > > ////jerry > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 07:03:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FE9A16A415 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 07:03:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: from sigma.octantis.com.au (ns2.octantis.com.au [207.44.189.124]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2183343D45 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 07:03:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: (qmail 23752 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2006 17:03:22 +1000 Received: from andromeda.lef.com.au (HELO localhost) (210.8.93.2) by sigma.octantis.com.au with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 13 Sep 2006 17:03:22 +1000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:03:19 +1000 From: Norberto Meijome To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060913170319.35c542c5@localhost> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.4.0 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Freebsd as iscsi / aoe target (server) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 07:03:23 -0000 Hi there, can FreeBSD be used as an iSCSI target (i.e., serving the iscsi disks) ? idem AoE ...? thanks! 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:01:01 -0000 On 9/13/06, Jacques Vidrine wrote: > > On 2006-09-12, at 13:52:40, Remko Lodder wrote: > > > David Robillard wrote: > >> Hi everyone, > >> Are there any workaround or a patch for this security problem? > >> FreeBSD Foundation's Java JDK and JRE 5.0 Update 7 binaries for > >> FreeBSD 6.1/i386: > >> Affected package: diablo-jdk-freebsd6.i386.1.5.0.07.00 > >> Type of problem: jdk -- jar directory traversal vulnerability. > >> Reference: >> ae7c-11d9-837d-000e0c2e438a.html> Many thanks, > >> David > > > > Hello david, > > > > I corrected the entry, it should be fixed within little notice :) > > Hey, hold on a second... are you sure this has been fixed? As far as > I know, Sun has never issues a patch for this vulnerability. Yay Sun! http://www.freshports.org/java/jdk15/files.php?message_id=200505120414.j4C4EqNR029930@repoman.freebsd.org FreeBSD != Sun From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 11:04:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D012516A403 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:04:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7FE443D45 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:04:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from [172.23.170.146] (helo=anti-virus03-09) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNSX9-0005li-2F; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:03:59 +0100 Received: from [82.41.35.166] (helo=[192.168.0.2]) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNSX7-0005Wk-Qp; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:03:57 +0100 Message-ID: <4507E59B.9000109@dial.pipex.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:03:55 +0100 From: Alex Zbyslaw User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-GB; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060515 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris References: <1DCE50F2-FFCA-479D-9E68-11936F0076DB@cbpratt.prohosting.com> <450730C9.4070309@dial.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NIC Questions for 6.1 Release X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:04:01 -0000 Chris wrote: > > On Sep 12, 2006, at 3:12 PM, Alex Zbyslaw wrote: > >> Chris wrote: >> >>> Is there any single source where one can go to see what has been >>> changed on the various components of the OS. >> >> Go to the source :-) >> >> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ >> > Wow! That's an excellent resource and the bge driver does have > numerous changes that all dance around or on the same issues. It > appears they've been being addressed for months. Supporting that, two > people have responded and said both a Tyan and several IBMs are > working perfectly with the Broadcom. > > Based on the 6.1-RELEASE-p6 AMD64 system I did yesterday (a different > server), I didn't see any of these changes on the source date for > if_bge.c. I'm guessing this has to do with how I cvsup and the fact > that I remain tracking only 6.1-RELEASE. I used: > > *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_6_1 > > in the supfile and these changes are not pulled under that tag. How > does one approach that, set the tag to RELENG_6 which does grab > these. From the handbook it seems to recommend not moving forward > from a "RELEASE" for a production type of implementation. How does > one grab specific changes to a driver without actually cvsupping to > that entire revision or am I missing something really basic and I > should be using the RELENG_6 tag for my production servers? It really > looks like that's the version of the bge driver I should be using. If you click on if_bge.c (which I guess you did to see all the comments), you'll see above each comment a "Branch: " which tells you where the changes have been committed. E.g. > Revision *1.91.2.17* > > / (*download* > ) > - annotate > > - [select for diffs] > , > /Thu Sep 7 08:49:10 2006 UTC/ (6 days, 2 hours ago) by /oleg/ > Branch: *RELENG_6 > > * > Changes since *1.91.2.16: +24 -5 lines* > Diff to previous 1.91.2.16 > > (colored > ) > to branchpoint 1.91 > > (colored > ) > next main 1.92 > > (colored > ) > > >MFC rev. 1.140 >Properly lock ifmedia callbacks. This should prevent concurrent access to PHY. >Following issues should be resolved: >- random watchdog timeouts (caused by concurrent phy access) >- some link state issues >- non working TX if media type was set explicitly > >PR: kern/98738 > which looks like one you'd want! You'll see the tag is RELENG_6 so yes you will need to cvsup to this (aka 6-STABLE) to get those changes. Presumably the changes will make it to 6.2-RELEASE, so you could switch to tracking that when it comes out. I would be wary of actively tracking a production server with STABLE. If you upgrade to STABLE now and it works, just leave it unless there are security patches. At least one change is to HEAD/Main which is aka 7-CURRENT. That would be risky for a production box. Alternatively you could just try downloading the two files and copying them over your existing ones (after backing them up!) and just try and see if a make buildkernel will compile them. If the changes don't rely on anything outside of these two files, you'd likely be fine. Of course, keep a copy of your current working kernel in e.g. /boot/kernel.works. --Alex From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 11:04:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1803A16A407 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:04:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9557B43D46 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:04:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so2872727pye for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:04:24 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=HhoUx5kHZAfLnuwjvVldjk//lHKM4jICW2Hpcraa5+0rjn1N/aRTNKtRn5yqS0im4oPGSU9lo8r97wn89yDfusMAnY6l6ZdGJOVU9KiiVxtXttRDFmFZxgE3zqFEOEN2g98mkzEDNd5+sTn2FKdPzNvHELpwpZ3zbpRVtlL5qr8= Received: by 10.35.126.7 with SMTP id d7mr12724029pyn; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:04:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.105.10 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:04:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:04:23 +0400 From: "Andrew Pantyukhin" Sender: infofarmer@gmail.com To: "Olivier Nicole" In-Reply-To: <200609120901.k8C91gXr004122@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200609120901.k8C91gXr004122@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 386f94519679fb05 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Slow install of Ruby 18 from ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:04:58 -0000 On 9/12/06, Olivier Nicole wrote: > Hi, > > I am upgrading a few servers. I have noticed that on pentium III, it > takes a VERY long time to upgrade Ruby 1.8. > > It blocks at some stage saying: > > > zlib.c: mcccccccccccccccccc................................................................................... > Generating RI... > > Eventually it will finich installing. > > I am running RELENG 4.11 p21. Any clue? Old FreeBSD on old hardware is a recipe for such problems. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 11:08:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF57E16A403 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:08:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF20D43D49 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:08:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so2873745pye for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:07:31 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=loWWuIIE1tTXmDP5epHZSAZhKf/U9Ua3pqJUNZg/RS93vYjrZqAz6W2KCIM3TrJcgQyWLLKYMtlTW7O58Dk2NraT/9mNMXXHs9KPvOFZogs/CTtuQMvI5/cR3hPCkMjP20NWfMMPegMVcsS/u5+/+/QrF2M79oBEkj6cNsjPYNc= Received: by 10.35.93.1 with SMTP id v1mr12751743pyl; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:07:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.105.10 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:07:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:07:31 +0400 From: "Andrew Pantyukhin" Sender: infofarmer@gmail.com To: danial_thom@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: <20060911205920.29995.qmail@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060911205920.29995.qmail@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0e835910751c8d01 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ATA driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:08:12 -0000 On 9/12/06, Danial Thom wrote: > Has anyone ported the ata drivers with SATA > support back to 4.x? It is doable or are there > some new kernel structures that won't port? It is not worth the trouble. Disk subsystem has undergone some massive performance improvement since 4.x, so you should consider upgrading to 6.x if your tasks involve newer sata disks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 11:31:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C67EB16A412 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:31:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B0A43D49 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:31:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com) Received: from frontend3.internal (frontend3.internal [10.202.2.152]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF45FDA557B; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 07:31:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat2.internal ([10.202.2.161]) by frontend3.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 07:31:31 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: 52W0jcW87F2NDJ2QwXgXwrSLUXLlYcw6QHl2M8El2cPp 1158147091 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DB11B045; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 07:31:30 -0400 (EDT) From: RW To: Odhiambo Washington , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:31:21 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <20060912194907.GA44560@ns2.wananchi.com> <200609122213.43164.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> <20060913052524.GB11678@ns2.wananchi.com> In-Reply-To: <20060913052524.GB11678@ns2.wananchi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609131231.23035.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> Cc: Subject: Re: ipfw - bandwidth throttling (sanity check!) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:31:32 -0000 On Wednesday 13 September 2006 06:25, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > * On 12/09/06 22:13 +0100, RW wrote: > | On Tuesday 12 September 2006 20:49, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > | > Hello Security guy ;) > | > > | > I have tried very hard to understand ipfw just for the purpose of > | > bandwidth throttling for smtp service. > | > > | > Basically, I want to throttle the bandwidth used by my SMTP > | > server outbound to _anyone_ else except my ip blocks. > | > > | > My Server is 1.2.3.4 and my ip blocks are a.b.c.d/19 and > | > e.f.g.h/20 > | > > | > > | > Are the following rules sane enough? > | > > | > ipfw pipe 1 config bw 256Kbit/s > | > ipfw add pipe 1 tcp from 1.2.3.4 to not a.b.c.d/19 25 > | > ipfw add pipe 1 tcp from 1.2.3.4 to not e.f.g.h/20 25 > | > | This queues all outgoing smtp to the pipe. > | > | You also need to set net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass=1 to avoid the packets > | re-entering the rules on the next line. Setting that means that the > | packets cannot pass through dynamic rules. It is possible to use dynamic > | rules with dummynet, but it's a pain. > > Thank you so much for clarifying that. What I wanted to be clarified is > if it is true that "smtp traffic to a.b.c.d/19 and e.f.g.h/20" is NOT > being put through this pipe.. The logic you have is: (NOT in range a.b.c.d/19) OR (NOT in range e.f.g.h/20) what you want is: NOT ( in range a.b.c.d/19 OR in range e.f.g.h/2 ) I'm a bit rusty with IPFW, but you can probably specify multiple address blocks in one statement - have a look at the man page. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 12:02:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B89416A412 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:02:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toomas.aas@raad.tartu.ee) Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee (kuller.raad.tartu.ee [194.126.106.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E6EA43D60 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:02:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from toomas.aas@raad.tartu.ee) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6ABFB816 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:02:04 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at post.raad.tartu.ee Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kuller.raad.tartu.ee [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OTAmfd2ue2pJ for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:02:00 +0300 (EEST) Received: from raad.tartu.ee (lv.raad.tartu.ee [194.126.106.110]) by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81828B812 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:02:00 +0300 (EEST) Received: from INFO/SpoolDir by raad.tartu.ee (Mercury 1.48); 13 Sep 06 15:02:00 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by INFO (Mercury 1.48); 13 Sep 06 15:01:34 +0200 Received: from [172.26.1.3] (172.26.1.3) by raad.tartu.ee (Mercury 1.48) with ESMTP; 13 Sep 06 15:01:27 +0200 Message-ID: <4507F318.80405@raad.tartu.ee> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:01:28 +0300 From: Toomas Aas User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Kernel panic with 5.5, possibly in propagate_priority X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:02:14 -0000 Hello! Last October, after I upgraded the OS on my IBM x225 from RELENG_5_3 to RELENG_5_4, I experienced a kernel panic: http://makeashorterlink.com/?S167211CD As noted in the article referenced above, I disabled debug.mpsafenet and debug.mpsafevm. This was really just a guess. Seems like the guess was lucky, because I never had another kernel panic after that. Yesterday I upgraded this server from RELENG_5_4 to RELENG_5_5 and decided to try to re-enable debug.mpsafenet and debug.mpsafevm. Today in the middle of the day I got a kernel panic. As also promised in the article above, I had built the debug kernel and enabled kernel crash dumps. However, the machine just seems to freeze when it panics and doesn't really generate a crash dump into the location that I specified in /etc/rc.conf. So I still don't have much very useful debug information. The panic message is pretty similar to the one in the message above: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- kernel trap 12 with interrupts disabled Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode cpuid=1; apic id = 06 fault virtual address: 0x24 fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xc05276ae stack pointer = 0x10:0xe83aab20 frame pointer = 0x10: 0xe83aab48 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 12064 (httpd) trap number = 12 panic: page fault cpuid = 1 spin lock sched lock held by 0xc279c480 for >5 seconds -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Closest... um... thing to the instruction pointer 0xc05276ae seems to be propagate_priority: [heerold] ~> nm -n /boot/kernel/kernel | grep c05276 c052762c t propagate_priority I found another thread discussing an issue which seems vaguely similar, but I'm not enough of a FreeBSD kernel expert to be sure: http://makeashorterlink.com/?G457131CD After reading this thread - should I, perhaps, add NO_ADAPTIVE_MUTEXES to my kernel config (and remove ADAPTIVE_GIANT)? What are other people's experiences running FreeBSD 5.x on dual-processor IBM xSeries 225 box? Am I the only one doing this? For now, I just disabled debug.mpsafenet and debug.mpsafevm again and I hope it works out as well as it did last time. -- Toomas Aas From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 12:18:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 101F816A415 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:18:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ograbme@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.238]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0494D43D7B for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:17:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ograbme@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so2376162wxd for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 05:17:59 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:date:from:x-mailer:reply-to:x-priority:message-id:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=VGi/LnY2qcyGexzQbS7aYNgPA6432KKJU0rCF6zkCg0Ee6ym3pZlpcHgJfY8njLjFbFVzYET74H+8BlSX9CqVexctrzTiTKxo/W7tPDSbCnppOfhuWcp+0VuLRhpQ8m49TrMmTkJyM2uRDQwCmhshQcpsNhczmik/I8ZeaOPggU= Received: by 10.90.25.7 with SMTP id 7mr2561058agy; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 05:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server ( [68.219.52.31]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 25sm1453246wra.2006.09.13.05.16.13; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 05:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:19:22 -0400 From: ograbme X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.11.02) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <969392796.20060913081922@gmail.com> To: "Frank Shute" In-Reply-To: <20060913024117.GA65435@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <8a0028260609120341v61920cf5p3aad4710ef3bd634@mail.gmail.com> <186816020.20060912160233@gmail.com> <20060913024117.GA65435@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: The Ports collection / FreeBSD CDs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ograbme List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:18:09 -0000 Hello Frank, Tuesday, September 12, 2006, 10:41:17 PM, you wrote: FS> Go grab the compressed, reasonably up to date ports tree: FS> $ fetch -dpv ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/ports/ports.tar.gz FS> (warning! 35MB compressed) Will do when I have Internet connection via FreeBSD box. Need to set up ADSL connection - am currently reading about that process. Also, need to figure out how USB gets set up properly. But these are two separate issues that I will probably be asking about in the very near future ... if I haven't managed to make any real progress in these areas. FS> and: FS> # mv ports.tar.gz /usr/ports FS> # cd /usr/ports FS> # tar xvzf ports.tar.gz FS> to build sudo, first check that there's nothing funny with building FS> sudo: FS> $ cat /usr/ports/UPDATING | grep sudo FS> if there's nothing then: FS> # cd /usr/ports/security/sudo/ FS> # make install clean Thanks for the detailed steps. FS> Then read the handbook about keeping your ports tree up to date using FS> portsnap or cvsup. Will do. >> >> P.S. Please advise what the proper mode of responding is in terms of >> replying. I did a "reply all" ... >> >> FS> That's OK. I usually post to the list and cc to the person who posted FS> in the first place as they may not be subscribed to the list. Yes, this was my line of thinking, but don't want to upset anyone as I am a newbie here. ;) FS> Welcome to FreeBSD! Thanks. Appreciate it, Frank. -- Best regards, ograbme From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 12:21:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AB2D16A403 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:21:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arindam.mukerjee@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E6F543D70 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:21:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from arindam.mukerjee@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 13so913901nzn for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 05:21:48 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=c5BmZHtoVnBrAzutX+ulkSLw2+9GQWNJo/EFYUh5Mw8XICbTGavVOMIv6N2Zx2fMDta0g4B2BQxMN5TmvuveiYcZovuLb6vPRMPCdSTEGtEYdZ2b1ylLZ4zKKHtcVAkdObxStdvKougSn2W854DxL4KGp6O0FtAwBZIFXeE8Ads= Received: by 10.35.51.13 with SMTP id d13mr12852394pyk; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 05:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.13.20 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 05:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:51:46 +0530 From: Arindam To: "Jerold McAllister" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X Configuration Woes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:21:57 -0000 > > > >> I am an absolute FreeBSD Newbie and I decided to give it a try over a > >> lazy weekend - mainly because I don't want to throw away my old PIII > >> box. I picked up FreeBSD 5.4 which was all I got and I am dual booting > >> it with RHEL4.3. My box is rather old ... P3 733 Mhz with 256 megs of > >> SDRAM@100MHz, and I installed FreeBSD on the first 6.5 Gigs of my > >> Seagate harddrive ... connected to the Primary master IDE interface. > >> > > Well, installing FreeBSD for the first time is more compatible with > an ambitious weekend than an lazy one - as you probably have discovered. > It does take considerable work, though the rewards are commensurate. > > >> .... > >> If you can wade through this gibberish, please help. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Andy > > > > Some updates: > > > > Following this I did a fresh install using the FreeBSD6.1 CD1. Xorg > > installed is 6.9.0. > > I did not run xorgconfig or anything. There was no /etc/X11/xorg.conf > > either. From the command-line I ran "xdm" and the GUI started ... I > > could login ... and then that's about it. > > > > 1. The Mouse still does not work ... may be I should try MouseSystems > > protocol. More updates: I did manage to get my mouse in a working state. It's an old 3-button Logitech serial mouse. And guess what ... someone (I suspect myself) connected it to the second serial port. All the while I thought it was on /dev/cuad0 and I specified that as the device. Anyway, I reconnected it to /dev/cuad0 and the pointer does move now (I was running Linux all this while but never noticed this ... that's why Linux is becoming Windowy ... may be I am too cynical). I used the "microsoft" protocol. Still the mouse movements are not smooth all the time. The mouse hardly moves in the console. When I run xdm or startx from the command-line then it does move when X starts. But sometimes after some initial movement, it freezes hopelessly. Don't know what's wrong. > > I can't say much about the mouse. I usually let it figure out > things itself and it works. Is it a plain ps2 mouse (with round ps2 > connector)? I just do the mouse test during sysinstall and it works. > > > 2. What should I do about GNOME / KDE etc. I am not aching to get a > > jazzy a GUI on my FreeBSD installation. I can make do with a very > > minimal one. But I want a minimal one at least now, I just have to get > > this running or I can't sleep. > > If you don't want a fancy GUI desktop, then skip KDE and Gnome. > > I prefer to use Afterstep. It installs nicely. > It is found in ports at /usr/ports/x11-wm/afterstep > It can be a little confusing at first to set up and configure - as are > all X things - but after getting it configured for me, it gives me what I > need: several windows for logging in to various hosts, a button to bring > up Firefoxand X support for whatever I run, such as OpenOffice or Xpdf > or Xmahjongg and a couple of other games, etc. > > The only thing I haven't managed to my liking is getting it to create > anchor buttons for each thing when I bring it up. It only does so for the > minimized windows. I got that in one version, but it seemed to mess up > the focus control and click to bring forward action so I gave up on that. > > I edited: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc > to make it work my way. I think you can make individual .xinitrc files > in home directories as well, but I wanted mine to work for all of my > small handful of accounts so I edited the main one. > > Have fun, > > ////jerry > > > Cheers, > > Andy > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 12:57:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0557516A407 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:57:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonathan@hst.org.za) Received: from sirian.hst.org.za (sirian.hst.org.za [209.203.2.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB5E43D46 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:57:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jonathan@hst.org.za) Received: from localhost (localhost.hst.org.za [127.0.0.1]) by sirian.hst.org.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79E8E31CE37 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:57:01 +0200 (SAST) Received: from sirian.hst.org.za ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (sirian.hst.org.za [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 45232-04 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:57:01 +0200 (SAST) Received: by sirian.hst.org.za (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FD7D31CE21; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:57:01 +0200 (SAST) Received: from sysadmin.int.dbn.hst.org.za (sysadmin.int.dbn.hst.org.za [10.1.1.20]) by sirian.hst.org.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB05F31CE07 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:57:00 +0200 (SAST) From: Jonathan McKeown Organization: Health Systems Trust To: FreeBSD Questions list Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:59:05 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609131459.05492.jonathan@hst.org.za> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.61 (1.212.2.1-2003-12-09-exp) on sirian.hst.org.za X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=7.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.61 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hst.org.za Subject: Using PC as serial terminal on running system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:57:58 -0000 I'm using my laptop and tip(1) as a serial terminal. This is working well when a machine is booted with the laptop connected to its serial port. However, I need to be able to connect the laptop to a machine which was booted without a serial console. I've set the ttyd0 line in /etc/ttys and sigHUPed init. The machine is still not recognising the presence of the ``serial terminal'' - the getty(1) process on the server is not bound to a controlling terminal and nothing is appearing in the tip(1) screen on the laptop. I've also tried fiddling about with conscontrol, adding ttyd0 on the server - still no difference. Have I missed a trick somewhere, or do I really need to reboot the server to get it to recognise a PC connected as a serial terminal? (Connection is laptop - USB - BAFO 810 USB/serial adapter - null-modem cable - server) Jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 13:11:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F0316A403 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:11:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from felix.schalck@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 25A1B43D46 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:11:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from felix.schalck@gmx.net) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 13 Sep 2006 13:11:32 -0000 Received: from lns-bzn-58-82-251-255-138.adsl.proxad.net (EHLO [192.168.0.7]) [82.251.255.138] by mail.gmx.net (mp025) with SMTP; 13 Sep 2006 15:11:32 +0200 X-Authenticated: #23426003 Message-ID: <45080374.2050408@gmx.net> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:11:16 +0200 From: "felix.schalck" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060828) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Thank You and Mc OS games X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:11:35 -0000 Hello in there, I'm kind of complicated person, so finding o good OS was really a pity for me. I googled around a lot, installed a lot and often get disappointed... until I discovered FreeBSD. Folks, this OS ist simply great because it is CLEAR. Clear Structure, clear Doc, clear Policy. But all the guys on this mailing list probably already know this... Now, i have one simple question related to this: where and whom can I tell THANK YOU ? GOOD WORK ? For providing such a great OS. Secondly: beeing miself an ex-gamer, I'm wondering if it is possible to run Mac OS games under FreeBSD. I found no solution on google, so probably there is some reason which cause it NOT working. Could someone just explain me what it this reason ? Thanks a lot, Felix From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 13:14:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D7816A403 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:14:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from juergen@jherz.redirectme.net) Received: from jherz.redirectme.net (DSL01.83.171.158.224.ip-pool.NEFkom.net [83.171.158.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE31C43D72 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:14:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from juergen@jherz.redirectme.net) Received: from lunix.linux.test ([192.168.0.3]) by nano.linux.test with esmtpa (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GNUZ9-00043o-FZ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:14:11 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?J=FCrgen_Herz?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:14:10 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609131514.10357.juergen@jherz.redirectme.net> Subject: some packages not available X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:14:16 -0000 Hello, portaudit reports several "problems" for my 6.1 system, e,g, gnupg 1.4.3 and ruby 1.8.4_8,1. It's recommended that I update or deinstall these packages immediately. The problem is, portupdate -PP I find any newer packages though 1.4.5 of gnupg is already in ports for months. And I'm talking about packages for 6-stable, not 6.1-release. I've set PACKAGESITE and PKG_SITES to the according server (ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-6-stable). I know of the pointyhat build farm. And it seems to compile, but I don't see where the results go. Telling from http://pointyhat.freebsd.org/errorlogs/ there are packages being built, but they don't show up on the FreeBSD ftp servers. So the question is: where to get the most recent built packages for my system (here 6.1-RELEASE)? Bye, Juergen From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 13:27:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D6B16A40F for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:27:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD90A43D49 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:27:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from [172.23.170.136] (helo=anti-virus01-07) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNUlk-0007wl-3p; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:27:12 +0100 Received: from [82.41.35.166] (helo=[192.168.0.2]) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNUlj-0007fS-HS; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:27:11 +0100 Message-ID: <4508072F.10407@dial.pipex.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:27:11 +0100 From: Alex Zbyslaw User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-GB; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060515 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris References: <1DCE50F2-FFCA-479D-9E68-11936F0076DB@cbpratt.prohosting.com> <450730C9.4070309@dial.pipex.com> <4507E59B.9000109@dial.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4507E59B.9000109@dial.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NIC Questions for 6.1 Release X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:27:14 -0000 Alex Zbyslaw wrote: > > > Alternatively you could just try downloading the two files and copying > them over your existing ones (after backing them up!) and just try and > see if a make buildkernel will compile them. If the changes don't > rely on anything outside of these two files, you'd likely be fine. Of > course, keep a copy of your current working kernel in e.g. > /boot/kernel.works. Sorry for the hideous http links in previous email. What *I* saw before I sent it was not what I got. Also, download the RELENG_6 versions of the files if you try this approach. Downloading the HEAD versions would be riskier and more likely to fail. --Alex From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 13:34:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F1516A49E; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:34:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from betty.computinginnovations.com (dsl081-142-072.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.142.72]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8CB043D67; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:34:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from p28.computinginnovations.com (dhcp-10-20-30-150.computinginnovations.com [10.20.30.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by betty.computinginnovations.com (8.13.6/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8DDXg5n072149; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:33:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20060913083215.022ccd80@mail.computinginnovations.com> X-Sender: derek@mail.computinginnovations.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:33:32 -0500 To: "Andrew Pantyukhin" , "=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Micha=B3_Garcarz?=" From: Derek Ragona In-Reply-To: References: <20060912203430.a01783f3.teknet8@o2.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-From: derek@computinginnovations.com X-Spam-Status: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SATA sil problems ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:34:07 -0000 I also have one of these that doesn't work with FreeBSD. I just replaced= =20 the controller. What is worse is there are different versions of this chip= =20 some that will work with FreeBSD, but many don't. -Derek At 05:51 AM 9/13/2006, Andrew Pantyukhin wrote: >On 9/12/06, Micha=B3 Garcarz wrote: > Hello > > I have SAT= A=20 >SIL 3112 controller. Unfortunately it is not working > correctly under=20 >FreeBSD. It does not work for me, and i found on > google that it doesn't= =20 >work correctly for many other people. > I tried Freebsd 4.x, 5.x and=20 >6.1. > Here are the errors which occur when system works: > > Sep 12=20 >11:03:35 multix kernel: ad6: WARNING - SETFEATURES SET > TRANSFER MODE=20 >taskqueue timeout - completing request directly > Sep 12 11:03:35 multix= =20 >kernel: ad6: TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA retrying (1 > retry left) LBA=3D8159967 >= =20 >Sep 12 11:55:36 multix kernel: ad4: FAILURE - READ_DMA >=20 >status=3D51 error=3D40 LBA=3D8878591 > Sep= 12=20 >11:55:36 multix kernel: ar0: WARNING - mirror protection lost. > RAID1=20 >array in DEGRADED mode > Sep 12 11:55:36 multix kernel: ar0: writing of=20 >Silicon Image Medley > metadata is NOT supported yet > > Do You have=20 >similar problems ? Please try to disable its RAID capabilities, and tweak= =20 >some compatibility settings, if any. Sil3112 is known to be crap, but it's= =20 >also known to work for many FreeBSD 6.x users. > What SATA controller=20 >could you suggest ? > I must be on card (PCI?) so i could plug in to my=20 >current server. It > have to work stable under Freebsd 6.1. It should be= =20 >chip. It doesn't > have to be real hardware RAID (it can use software from= =20 >BIOS). Don't use software RAID "from BIOS", use gmirror/gstripe/gvinum. --= =20 >This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by=20 >MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec=20 >Computers for their support. > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 13:38:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D7C416A415 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:38:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from betty.computinginnovations.com (dsl081-142-072.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.142.72]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A16543D4C for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:38:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from p28.computinginnovations.com (dhcp-10-20-30-150.computinginnovations.com [10.20.30.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by betty.computinginnovations.com (8.13.6/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8DDbkJm072213; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:37:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20060913083452.022b8ec8@mail.computinginnovations.com> X-Sender: derek@mail.computinginnovations.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:37:36 -0500 To: "musashi miyamoto" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Derek Ragona In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-From: derek@computinginnovations.com X-Spam-Status: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: pci modem question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:38:16 -0000 Be sure to get a real full modem. Not a winmodem. A full modem will cost considerably more, like double the price because it has all the modem hardware on the card. Winmodems rely on Windows to do much of the hardware functions. -Derek At 09:05 PM 9/12/2006, musashi miyamoto wrote: >FreeBSD mori.ranmaru 6.1-STABLE FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE #0: Tue Sep 5 02:09:57 >PHT 2006 mori@mori.ranmaru:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/SHOGUN i386 > > >is there a dialup pci modem that is compatible with FreeBSD? >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >-- >This message has been scanned for viruses and >dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >believed to be clean. >MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 14:03:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A705416A40F for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:03:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F3943D4C for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:03:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 22100 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2006 14:03:47 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 13 Sep 2006 14:03:46 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 2682F2842A; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:03:46 -0400 (EDT) To: Anton Shterenlikht References: <20060911144758.GA844@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:03:45 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20060911144758.GA844@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> (Anton Shterenlikht's message of "Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:47:59 +0100") Message-ID: <448xknhni6.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: device vt causes boot freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:03:48 -0000 Anton Shterenlikht writes: > Can I enable both sc and vt in device.hints? My impression from a very brief look at the code is that they cannot be active at the same time. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 14:44:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC29616A415 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:44:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from snagit@cbpratt.prohosting.com) Received: from n016.sc0.cp.net (smtpout1082.sc0.he.tucows.com [64.97.144.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C24F43D49 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:44:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from snagit@cbpratt.prohosting.com) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (67.47.213.85) by n016.sc0.cp.net (7.2.069.1) (authenticated as eagletree@hughes.net) id 45058ABD000B4359 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:44:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4507E59B.9000109@dial.pipex.com> References: <1DCE50F2-FFCA-479D-9E68-11936F0076DB@cbpratt.prohosting.com> <450730C9.4070309@dial.pipex.com> <4507E59B.9000109@dial.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6A634D83-491F-4837-A919-43050523DCB4@cbpratt.prohosting.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 07:44:26 -0700 To: freeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Subject: Re: NIC Questions for 6.1 Release - Obtaining changes not in RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:44:38 -0000 On Sep 13, 2006, at 4:03 AM, Alex Zbyslaw wrote: >> >>> Chris wrote: >>> >>>> Is there any single source where one can go to see what has >>>> been changed on the various components of the OS. >>> >>> Go to the source :-) >>> >>> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ >>> >> Wow! That's an excellent resource and the bge driver does have >> numerous changes that all dance around or on the ... >> Based on the 6.1-RELEASE-p6 AMD64 system I did yesterday (a >> different server), I didn't see any of these changes on the >> source date for if_bge.c. I'm guessing this has to do with how I >> cvsup and the fact that I remain tracking only 6.1-RELEASE. I used: >> >> *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_6_1 >> >> in the supfile and these changes are not pulled under that tag. >> How does one approach that, set the tag to RELENG_6 which does >> grab these. From the handbook it seems to recommend not moving >> forward from a "RELEASE" for a production type of implementation. >> How does one grab specific changes to a driver without actually >> cvsupping to that entire revision or am I missing something >> really basic and I should be using the RELENG_6 tag for my >> production servers? It really looks like that's the version of >> the bge driver I should be using. > > If you click on if_bge.c (which I guess you did to see all the > comments), you'll see above each comment a "Branch: " which tells > you where the changes have been committed. E.g. > >> Revision *1.91.2.17* > sys/dev/bge/if_bge.c?rev=1.91.2.17&content-type=text/x-cvsweb- >> markup> / (*download* > 7Echeckout%7E/src/sys/dev/bge/if_bge.c?rev=1.91.2.17&content- >> type=text/plain>) - annotate > cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/dev/bge/if_bge.c?annotate=1.91.2.17> - [select >> for diffs] > if_bge.c?r1=1.91.2.17>, /Thu Sep 7 08:49:10 2006 UTC/ (6 days, 2 >> hours ago) by /oleg/ >> Branch: *RELENG_6 > dev/bge/if_bge.c?only_with_tag=RELENG_6> * >> Changes since *1.91.2.16: +24 -5 lines* >> Diff to previous 1.91.2.16 > src/sys/dev/bge/if_bge.c.diff?r1=1.91.2.16&r2=1.91.2.17> (colored >> > if_bge.c.diff?r1=1.91.2.16&r2=1.91.2.17&f=h>) to branchpoint 1.91 >> > if_bge.c.diff?r1=1.91&r2=1.91.2.17> (colored > www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/dev/bge/if_bge.c.diff? >> r1=1.91&r2=1.91.2.17&f=h>) next main 1.92 > cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/dev/bge/if_bge.c.diff?r1=1.92&r2=1.91.2.17> >> (colored > if_bge.c.diff?r1=1.92&r2=1.91.2.17&f=h>) >> >> MFC rev. 1.140 >> Properly lock ifmedia callbacks. This should prevent concurrent >> access to PHY. >> Following issues should be resolved: >> - random watchdog timeouts (caused by concurrent phy access) >> - some link state issues >> - non working TX if media type was set explicitly >> >> PR: kern/98738 >> > which looks like one you'd want! You'll see the tag is RELENG_6 so > yes you will need to cvsup to this (aka 6-STABLE) to get those > changes. Presumably the changes will make it to 6.2-RELEASE, so > you could switch to tracking that when it comes out. I would be > wary of actively tracking a production server with STABLE. If you > upgrade to STABLE now and it works, just leave it unless there are > security patches. > > At least one change is to HEAD/Main which is aka 7-CURRENT. That > would be risky for a production box. > > Alternatively you could just try downloading the two files and > copying them over your existing ones (after backing them up!) and > just try and see if a make buildkernel will compile them. If the > changes don't rely on anything outside of these two files, you'd > likely be fine. Of course, keep a copy of your current working > kernel in e.g. /boot/kernel.works. > > --Alex Alex, Excellent and detailed information. I read the handbook and Complete FreeBSD but couldn't grasp the relationship between CURRENT, STABLE, and RELEASE and the cvsup tags definitively. This is important when buying new hardware running ahead of RELEASE changes (e.g. the Broadcom 5704). Last time (a then leading edge server with a U320 Adaptec controller), I manually updated the driver source just to get it to production and made my source out of sync and then feared cvsuping further. I think you've given me, in a nutshell, how to do this more responsibly. Let me take a shot at it for posterity. 1. Take the machine to STABLE via RELENG_6, if it tests reliably, go production and freeze 2. security patch through the .asc file patches until RELEASE 6.2 3. cvsup to RELEASE 6.2 aka RELENG_6_2 (when available and if needed hardware changes were indeed incorporated) 4. given no hardware additions, continue to cvsup on RELENG_6_2_0 for Security Patches for server life-cycle I think a light is clicking on. Thanks VERY much, Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 14:49:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D277616A40F for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:49:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhorne@dfwlp.org) Received: from zeus.dfwlp.com (zeus.dfwlp.com [208.11.134.127]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C2F43D46 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:49:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhorne@dfwlp.org) Received: from webmail.dfwlp.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zeus.dfwlp.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8DEn4Nt038470 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:49:04 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jhorne@dfwlp.org) Received: from 167.246.36.14 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jhorne) by webmail.dfwlp.org with HTTP; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:49:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <24832.167.246.36.14.1158158944.squirrel@webmail.dfwlp.org> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:49:04 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jonathan Horne" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on zeus.dfwlp.com Subject: package-recursive and methods to quickly rebuild your computer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:49:13 -0000 so ive been playing with my buildserver, and working out the methodology to quickly recover a computer to operational mode. yesterday, i took my buildserver, and began with a 'pkg_delete -a', and then updated my ports tree. i then proceeded to visit each port directory of things my production server runs, and did a 'make install package-recursive', until had a /usr/ports/packages/ directory that was very full of what appears to be invididual packages of each of the things i need on my server. next, i took a test box, and mounted /usr/ports from my build server to this test box, changed to /usr/ports/packages/All, and did a 'pkg_add -v *', and watched as what appeared to be each package this directory install onto my test box. the first thing i decided to test, was apache (2.0.59). apache would fire up, but php would not work well enough to load squirrelmail or something like phpsysinfo. phpsysinfo told me that the xml and pcre exentions are required, but 'pkg_info|grep php5' told me that these extensions were installed. if i do a plain 'pkg_info' on both my build server and test box, they are line for line the same, but some things are obvously not working. first, am i going about this project in the wrong direction? second, what is the proper way to use the packages that have been built from ports, and how do they differ from actually building the port on a system? thanks, jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 14:52:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04CBE16A412 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:52:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C44743D58 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:52:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: from gothmog.pc (host5.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.229]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-2) with ESMTP id k8DEpsTZ015830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:51:57 +0300 Received: from gothmog.pc (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.pc (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k8DEqFCd060823; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:52:15 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.pc (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id k8DEqE82060822; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:52:14 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:52:14 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Bob Hall , Free BSD Questions list Message-ID: <20060913145214.GA60794@gothmog.pc> References: <20060910125631.GA29818@teddy.fas.com> <20060910155704.GA49622@kongemord.krig.net> <20060910220404.GB11266@teddy.fas.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060910220404.GB11266@teddy.fas.com> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.884, required 5, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.29, BAYES_00 -2.60, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY 0.00) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@freebsd.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Subject: Re: Top behavior differences X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:52:17 -0000 On 2006-09-10 18:04, stan wrote: > On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 11:57:05AM -0400, Bob Hall wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 08:56:31AM -0400, stan wrote: > > > Can someone explain to me why top's handling of multi processor > > > status display is different on FreeBSD, than it is on Linux? > > > > Open source started with the concept of individuals hacking the source > > code to get the features they want. The commericial ideal of users paying > > for features they want was replaced by the ideal of users doing the work > > to create the features they want. Open source has evolved into the > > concept of many users getting a free ride as a relatively small number > > of open source programmers do the work for them, without pay. > > > > Possible reasons why open source software X doesn't have feature Y: > > > -- Long discussion of open source philosophy dleted --- > > Once upon a time, when people posted on lists like this, they got > well reasoned technical answers. > > The question I was really asking, is if there is a technical > reason for this difference (eg difernt sturctures for obatining > the information in the 2 OS's). The reason that i feel this is > an apropriate place to ask such a question, is that top is NOT > a port, but is provided by the base OS in FreeBSD. There are technical reasons. The top(1) utility peeks into kernel structures, such as process lists, memory usage information and other stuff, and our current FreeBSD version has been changed, fixed and augmented with new features as FreeBSD was developed. I doubt that it can run unmodified on Linux. What sort of technical details are you interested in? I've made some changes to top(1) myself, so maybe I can tell you what the differences are if you have something specific in mind :) - Giorgos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 14:53:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D380116A407; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:53:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from veldy@veldy.net) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [63.240.77.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1DAE43D6D; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:53:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from veldy@veldy.net) Received: from fuggle.veldy.net (c-69-180-171-46.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[69.180.171.46]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with ESMTP id <2006091314531501200625lse>; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:53:16 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (gw.veldy.net [192.168.1.3]) by fuggle.veldy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92B1933C25; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:53:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <45081B59.80309@veldy.net> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:53:13 -0500 From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Samba and FAM X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:53:22 -0000 I have been using Samba 3.x for my Windows file share and printing. I chose not to use FAM as the implementation on FreeBSD seems non-existant (where is the daemon?). So, when I configured Samba, I unchecked the option for FAM. Yet, when it runs, I still see that it is required. Sep 13 03:12:30 fuggle smbd[2898]: FAM file change notifications not available Sep 13 03:12:30 fuggle smbd[2897]: FAM file change notifications not available Sep 13 03:12:30 fuggle smbd[2897]: [2006/09/13 03:12:30, 0] lib/util_sock.c:read_data(534) I considered uninstalling FAM and rebuilding Samba, but, as it turns out, Courier-IMAP requires FAM as a dependency even though it is not a declared dependency in the Makefile. Even though FAM was not selected when building Samba, I am getting the above errors. Is there a way to avoid these filling my log files? Tom Veldhouse From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 14:57:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 101E216A403 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:57:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@msu.edu) Received: from sys31.mail.msu.edu (sys31.mail.msu.edu [35.9.75.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78AB443D62 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:57:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jerrymc@msu.edu) Received: from jerrymc by sys31.mail.msu.edu with local (Exim 4.52 #1) id 1GNWAg-0002re-P7; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:57:02 -0400 References: <200609122120.07984.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <1F6C4663-D0DB-4061-8F67-86873A0086C8@hiwaay.net> In-Reply-To: <1F6C4663-D0DB-4061-8F67-86873A0086C8@hiwaay.net> From: "Jerold McAllister" To: freebsd-questions Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:56:59 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Virus: None found by Clam AV Cc: Jonathan Horne Subject: Re: question about fortune at login X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:57:05 -0000 David Kelly writes: > > On Sep 12, 2006, at 9:20 PM, Jonathan Horne wrote: > >> what is the proper way to disable fortune? i deleted the .login file >> from my >> homedir... and it still runs at login! Look and see where it is being invoked. That is commonly in .login but could be in any file. If you are using sh or bash it might be coming from .profile. It could also be in .cshrc (for csh or tcsh). > Depends on what shell you are using, but with tcsh moving ~/.login to > ~/dot.login ended fortune for me via ssh login. > > What I don't much care for is the large /etc/motd which ships stock with > FreeBSD. So that and /etc/hosts are the only files I hack and override > manually when using mergemaster. The motd is supposed to be frequently update. It was originally intended for the system manager to post messages to users about whatever was happening to the system - such as a notice that it would be down for maintenance that evening. That is why it was called 'Message Of The Day'. ////jerry > > -- > David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net > ======================================================================== > Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 15:27:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 987DB16A4EE for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:27:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3364643D7E for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:27:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from [172.23.170.142] (helo=anti-virus02-09) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNWdu-0004ma-M6; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:27:14 +0100 Received: from [82.41.35.166] (helo=[192.168.0.2]) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNWdq-0003rb-9T; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:27:10 +0100 Message-ID: <4508234D.4080408@dial.pipex.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:27:09 +0100 From: Alex Zbyslaw User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-GB; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060515 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris References: <1DCE50F2-FFCA-479D-9E68-11936F0076DB@cbpratt.prohosting.com> <450730C9.4070309@dial.pipex.com> <4507E59B.9000109@dial.pipex.com> <6A634D83-491F-4837-A919-43050523DCB4@cbpratt.prohosting.com> In-Reply-To: <6A634D83-491F-4837-A919-43050523DCB4@cbpratt.prohosting.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freeBSD Subject: Re: NIC Questions for 6.1 Release - Obtaining changes not in RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:27:19 -0000 Chris wrote: > Excellent and detailed information. I read the handbook and Complete > FreeBSD but couldn't grasp the relationship between CURRENT, STABLE, > and RELEASE and the cvsup tags definitively. This is important when > buying new hardware running ahead of RELEASE changes (e.g. the > Broadcom 5704). Last time (a then leading edge server with a U320 > Adaptec controller), I manually updated the driver source just to get > it to production and made my source out of sync and then feared > cvsuping further. I think you've given me, in a nutshell, how to do > this more responsibly. Let me take a shot at it for posterity. RELENG = The official release versions; as well tested as things come. Only get security patches. CURRENT = The very bleeding edge. Updated often. Not recommended for any critical machine. STABLE = Changes that have run well in CURRENT, fix problems or improve performance etc, and are things which will form part of the next RELEASE. Bugs and other issues much less likely than CURRENT. So developed software generally goes from CURRENT (when tested) -> STABLE -> next RELENG. But, not all software in CURRENT automatically goes to STABLE. CURRENT (right now) is what will be RELENG_7_0, and not all changes there will be suitable for 6. > > 1. Take the machine to STABLE via RELENG_6, if it tests reliably, go > production and freeze > 2. security patch through the .asc file patches until RELEASE 6.2 > 3. cvsup to RELEASE 6.2 aka RELENG_6_2 (when available and if needed > hardware changes were indeed incorporated) > 4. given no hardware additions, continue to cvsup on RELENG_6_2_0 for > Security Patches for server life-cycle This should work fine. In step 4, you can consider upgrading from RELENG_6_2 to RELENG_6_3 etc etc, obviously testing. The more critical a machine, however, the less likely you are to want to do that. If you have any kind of farm, then keeping identical hardware and using one machine as a test bed for any upgrades is also a possible scenario. The farm can be as small as two machines - one a backup for the other, but also usable for testing upgrades. I think it would be technically possible (if unlikely), that a security patch for STABLE might not apply cleanly if you are not running the latest STABLE. In such a case, you might again have to bite the bullet and update to the latest STABLE and test again. This is only likely to happen if the bug is some kind of kernel internal, and even then only if some other code for it in STABLE has changed since you did your upgrade. As I say, I think this would be unlikely. Depending on what the machine in question actually does, how it is firewalled etc, it might be that you don't even bother to apply a security patch. (No doubt some will shout when I say that), but you have to analyse what risk the security whole actually poses to *your machine*. You could always seek advice here if such an issue arises, > > I think a light is clicking on. > > Thanks VERY much, You're welcome. --Alex From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 15:33:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B9616A407 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:33:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93D943D77 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:33:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from isis.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.63]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GNWjq-0005IP-HD for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:33:24 +0100 Received: from mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.184.33]) by isis.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GNWj4-0001aR-Sl for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:32:38 +0100 Received: from mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost.men.bris.ac.uk [127.0.0.1]) by mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k8DFVt3s000727 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:31:55 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from shterenl@localhost) by mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k8DFVtNR000726 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:31:55 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk: shterenl set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:31:55 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060913153155.GA685@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <20060911144758.GA844@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> <448xknhni6.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <448xknhni6.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Spam-Score: -0.8 X-Spam-Level: / Subject: Re: device vt causes boot freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:33:31 -0000 On 2006 Sep 13, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Anton Shterenlikht writes: > > > Can I enable both sc and vt in device.hints? > > My impression from a very brief look at the code is that they cannot > be active at the same time. Sorry, what code? But there is definitely no problem in building both sc and pcvt into the kernel, is there? Or is it advisable to make kernel with either sc or pcvt, but not both? The manual does not say the sc and pcvt cannot coexist in the same kernel. But all configuration files I've seen on the net are either with sc or with pcvt, not both. I found that the same behaviour was reported as a bug in 2005 in 5.3-release: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=i386/75887 and is still listed as open. thanks anton -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 15:55:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A35216A407 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:55:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaela@maa-net.net) Received: from webmail.maa-net.net (c-24-128-198-3.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.128.198.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 008C443D67 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:55:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from michaela@maa-net.net) Received: from [192.168.0.12] (localhost.maa-net.net [127.0.0.1]) by webmail.maa-net.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8DFt1DH030498 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:55:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from michaela@maa-net.net) Message-ID: <450829DA.4010209@maa-net.net> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:55:06 -0400 From: Michael Alestock User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org X-Priority: 2 (High) X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: ath0: Device timeout X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:55:07 -0000 I'm trying to get my Atheros 5212 built-in wireless device working on my Toshiba laptop. I used the FreeBSD wireless networking documentation as a guide. My goal was to atleast get it connected to my SSID with no encryption. I was able to load the driver using, "kldload if_ath" and it detected it. However, when trying to associate it with my WAP and give it a static IP address I got the following error message.... atho: Device timeout I've Googled high-n-low to find out what the cause of this error is, but every solution I've come across that worked for someone else didn't work for me. Any ideas??? Am I doing something wrong or missing something here?? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 16:14:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 460CF16A403 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:14:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F9D43D49 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:14:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([69.27.149.254]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k8DGEPms063961 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:14:26 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <45082E5C.5040503@daleco.biz> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:14:20 -0500 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.0.6) Gecko/20060902 SeaMonkey/1.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: sendmail and hosts_access(5) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:14:30 -0000 Hello all, I am attempting to block an SMTP server with /etc/hosts.allow: ---------------------------------------------------------- Received: from 241net251.net.zeork.com.pl (241net251.net.zeork.com.pl [194.117.241.251] (may be forged)) ---------------------------------------------------------- [506] Tue 12.Sep.2006 20:55:44 [kadmin@archangel][~] #ssh kadmin@elisha grep zeork /home/kadmin/spammers .net.zeork.com.pl [507] Tue 12.Sep.2006 20:56:55 [kadmin@archangel][~] #ssh kadmin@elisha grep /home/kadmin/spammers /etc/hosts.allow sendmail : /home/kadmin/spammers : deny -------------------------------------------------------------- hosts_access(5) says this: The access control language implements the following patterns: * A string that begins with a `.' character. A host name is matched if the last components of its name match the specified pattern. For example, the pattern `.tue.nl' matches the host name `wzv.win.tue.nl' So, why does my server continue accepting SMTP connections from "241net251.net.zeork.com.pl" ? Thoughts, pointers, gentle kicks on the bum welcomed. Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. ---- Ray's Rule of Precision: Measure with a micrometer. Mark with chalk. Cut with an axe. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 16:16:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE5116A4CE for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:16:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greenwood.andy@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.239]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BA6143D4C for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:16:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from greenwood.andy@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so2441855wxd for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:16:13 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rRy8AG7RoqYXhIbu7YyENCUVxKeZ9jjzvIQyGgxuQhSFWP5W4aPsI/MrVMkTrqXHmgfhE++zakRZt8/GT9faukE0vYTmEoor+09wxMv8nUIo6tL4W1RlGTP/JZx0Khjut9k/5kcCY6fqJH20ulDfsN64XhU1QmSpD2csnb7o7nw= Received: by 10.90.51.17 with SMTP id y17mr2803231agy; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:16:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.80.18 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3ee9ca710609130916s1b540b09rceab3e40dd154a48@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:16:12 -0400 From: "Andy Greenwood" To: "Derek Ragona" In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20060913083452.022b8ec8@mail.computinginnovations.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6.0.0.22.2.20060913083452.022b8ec8@mail.computinginnovations.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, musashi miyamoto Subject: Re: pci modem question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:16:17 -0000 not to mention that winmodems are utter crap, even on windows. On 9/13/06, Derek Ragona wrote: > Be sure to get a real full modem. Not a winmodem. A full modem will cost > considerably more, like double the price because it has all the modem > hardware on the card. Winmodems rely on Windows to do much of the hardware > functions. > > -Derek > > > At 09:05 PM 9/12/2006, musashi miyamoto wrote: > >FreeBSD mori.ranmaru 6.1-STABLE FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE #0: Tue Sep 5 02:09:57 > >PHT 2006 mori@mori.ranmaru:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/SHOGUN i386 > > > > > >is there a dialup pci modem that is compatible with FreeBSD? > >_______________________________________________ > >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > >-- > >This message has been scanned for viruses and > >dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > >believed to be clean. > >MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 16:19:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D48D816A40F for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:19:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@msu.edu) Received: from sys31.mail.msu.edu (sys31.mail.msu.edu [35.9.75.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F0CD43D5F for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:19:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jerrymc@msu.edu) Received: from jerrymc by sys31.mail.msu.edu with local (Exim 4.52 #1) id 1GNXSp-00084Q-2Z for questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:19:51 -0400 From: "Jerold McAllister" To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:19:49 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Virus: None found by Clam AV Cc: Subject: Arla on FreeBSD 5.5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:19:51 -0000 I just attempted to install Arla from ports - I need a working AFS client. It is on FreeBSD 5.5 because I was informed that it would not work on 6.1 due to problems using locks (kernel locks??) that have not been resolved. Supposedly though, it is supposed to work on FreeBSD 5.5. But, the install is blocked with the message: ===> arla-0.40 is marked as broken: "compiles but overwrites files from a dependancy (security/heimdal)". Is there something I can do about this or can I just cause it to ignore this with impunity? If so, how? Does it just overwrite heimdal with the one from ports - which might be what is already installed anyway? If so, does it matter? If it matters, does arla have to have that particular heimdal and not what might already be installed - so can a check for it be put in and have it skip over the overwriting and just use what is already there? Basically, I need to get somewhere on this and don't know how to procede so any pointers or help will be appreciated. ////jerry From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 16:25:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8350616A47C for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:25:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greenwood.andy@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.228]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C95043D76 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:25:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from greenwood.andy@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so2444498wxd for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:25:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=uXtu67Xrzm1G+yeDi0ytNUell2GUrHt8zUE8lTx+7TBotxh713B7jMm9VnrtuVY1nawBkJiJHrVRtPDFUw+e6+Jf42kg6HsYcjnbPj6EcZXKmfuMIOExoG+l0T4+y7A95UuAt6BV6hwYk1fAN4OTRi6WtzNwXf+XERkCH69G8nI= Received: by 10.90.100.6 with SMTP id x6mr2812865agb; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:25:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.80.18 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:25:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3ee9ca710609130925i415eca35v483f6ee5421e1125@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:25:33 -0400 From: "Andy Greenwood" To: "FreeBSD Questions" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: CLI text editor recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:25:34 -0000 I need a CLI text editor I can use over ssh, which does NOT append newlines to the end of files as I save them. I am using this to edit PHP files, and my PHP doesn't like newlines outside the last ?>. ee and vi both do so, I tried nano which also does the same. I haven't installed emacs to try that yet, since the man page says that it also does the same thing. Does anyone have any ideas? Another question: Why do so many text editors have this behavior? Should a text editor really add text that I don't tell it to add to my file? It seems that there must be some reason. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 16:38:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BBDC16A403 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:38:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F9C643D46 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:38:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.pc (host5.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.229]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-2) with ESMTP id k8DGbDRZ021530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:37:19 +0300 Received: from gothmog.pc (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.pc (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k8DGbX11062742; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:37:33 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.pc (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id k8DGbM8i062741; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:37:22 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:37:22 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Kevin Kinsey Message-ID: <20060913163722.GA62734@gothmog.pc> References: <45082E5C.5040503@daleco.biz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <45082E5C.5040503@daleco.biz> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.02, required 5, AWL -1.98, BAYES_00 -2.60, BIZ_TLD 2.01, SPOOF_NET2COM 1.54, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY 0.00) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sendmail and hosts_access(5) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:38:48 -0000 On 2006-09-13 11:14, Kevin Kinsey wrote: > Hello all, > > I am attempting to block an SMTP server with /etc/hosts.allow: > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Received: from 241net251.net.zeork.com.pl (241net251.net.zeork.com.pl > [194.117.241.251] (may be forged)) > ---------------------------------------------------------- > [506] Tue 12.Sep.2006 20:55:44 > [kadmin@archangel][~] > #ssh kadmin@elisha grep zeork /home/kadmin/spammers > .net.zeork.com.pl > > [507] Tue 12.Sep.2006 20:56:55 > [kadmin@archangel][~] > #ssh kadmin@elisha grep /home/kadmin/spammers /etc/hosts.allow > sendmail : /home/kadmin/spammers : deny > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > hosts_access(5) says this: > The access control language implements the following patterns: > * A string that begins with a `.' character. A host > name is matched if the last components of its name match the > specified pattern. For example, the pattern `.tue.nl' matches > the host name `wzv.win.tue.nl' > > So, why does my server continue accepting SMTP connections from > "241net251.net.zeork.com.pl" ? > > Thoughts, pointers, gentle kicks on the bum welcomed. I don't think you can have the hostnames in a separate "map file" and then reference this file from /etc/hosts.allow. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 16:38:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D1216A415 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:38:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C30A943D46 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:38:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.pc (host5.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.229]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-2) with ESMTP id k8DGcUh6021545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:38:31 +0300 Received: from gothmog.pc (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.pc (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k8DGcoVk062756; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:38:51 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.pc (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id k8DGcne4062755; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:38:49 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:38:49 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Andy Greenwood Message-ID: <20060913163849.GB62734@gothmog.pc> References: <3ee9ca710609130925i415eca35v483f6ee5421e1125@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3ee9ca710609130925i415eca35v483f6ee5421e1125@mail.gmail.com> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.794, required 5, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.20, BAYES_00 -2.60, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY 0.00) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: CLI text editor recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:38:49 -0000 On 2006-09-13 12:25, Andy Greenwood wrote: > I need a CLI text editor I can use over ssh, which does NOT append > newlines to the end of files as I save them. I am using this to edit > PHP files, and my PHP doesn't like newlines outside the last ?>. ee > and vi both do so, I tried nano which also does the same. I haven't > installed emacs to try that yet, since the man page says that it also > does the same thing. Does anyone have any ideas? IMHO, the problem is not the editor, but the brokenness of this particular PHP installation. Having said that, you can configure both VIM and Emacs to append or not append newlines. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 16:41:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C4FA16A407 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:41:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danielby@slightlystrange.org) Received: from catflap.slightlystrange.org (cpc3-cmbg1-0-0-cust506.cmbg.cable.ntl.com [82.21.101.251]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C952A43D73 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:41:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danielby@slightlystrange.org) Received: from danielby by catflap.slightlystrange.org with local (Exim 4.63 #0) id 1GNXnu-000OYV-5e by authid for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:41:38 +0100 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:41:38 +0100 From: Daniel Bye To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060913164137.GA89945@catflap.slightlystrange.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <8a0028260609120341v61920cf5p3aad4710ef3bd634@mail.gmail.com> <186816020.20060912160233@gmail.com> <200609122139.00187.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> <10609122105.AA22770@pluto.rain.com> <4507352C.5030906@gmail.com> <10609130030.AA23373@pluto.rain.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AhhlLboLdkugWU4S" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <10609130030.AA23373@pluto.rain.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: danielby@slightlystrange.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on catflap.slightlystrange.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Subject: Re: The Ports collection / FreeBSD CDs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Bye List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:41:52 -0000 --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 05:30:43PM -0700, Perry Hutchison wrote: > > > ... at least in my recent experience, an up-to-date ports tree=20 > > > does not always play nicely with a not-updated base install from = =20 > > > CD. > > > > That's very interesting. However, the ports tree on the CD isn't > > complete, as in: not all the ports are there. >=20 > Any idea why? (I am referring to the ports tree itself, i.e. the > collection of skeleton directories. The set of distfiles provided > on CDs 3 and 4 is necessarily incomplete, both due to limited space > and because some distfiles have legal restrictions that prevent=20 > their inclusion.) Because since the release CD was cut, the porters have been tirelessly porting new software and updating existing software - the ports tree is pretty much in a constant state of growth and development. As soon as=20 the release is cut, the included ports tree is out of date. --=20 Daniel Bye PGP Key: http://www.slightlystrange.org/pgpkey-dan.asc PGP Key fingerprint: D349 B109 0EB8 2554 4D75 B79A 8B17 F97C 1622 166A _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML, vCards and X - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFCDTBixf5fBYiFmoRAo2KAJwKLpLIYsKvVORyRYp7kDbIWItr+QCglLNp Bd5yQrU73XllSrQV1FcYtHY= =HC/j -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 16:48:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81C3E16A415 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:48:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: from sigma.octantis.com.au (ns2.octantis.com.au [207.44.189.124]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6494B43D73 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:48:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: (qmail 10436 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2006 02:48:06 +1000 Received: from 124-168-25-250.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO localhost) (124.168.25.250) by sigma.octantis.com.au with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 14 Sep 2006 02:48:06 +1000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 02:48:03 +1000 From: Norberto Meijome To: "Jerold McAllister" Message-ID: <20060914024803.11a23360@localhost> In-Reply-To: References: <200609122120.07984.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <1F6C4663-D0DB-4061-8F67-86873A0086C8@hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.4.0 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jonathan Horne , freebsd-questions Subject: Re: question about fortune at login X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:48:18 -0000 On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:56:59 -0400 "Jerold McAllister" wrote: > > What I don't much care for is the large /etc/motd which ships stock with > > FreeBSD. So that and /etc/hosts are the only files I hack and override > > manually when using mergemaster. > > The motd is supposed to be frequently update. It was originally intended > for the system manager to post messages to users about whatever was > happening to the system - such as a notice that it would be down for > maintenance that evening. That is why it was called 'Message Of The Day'. to get rid of motd on login: touch ~/.hushlogin fortune is being called by one of your shell startup scripts. if bash (as the others have been covered already), look for ~/.profile and ~/.bashrc (and ~/.bash_logout ... if you need for actions when logging out. _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome "I don't think they could put him in a mental hospital. On the other hand, if he were already in, I don't think they'd let him out." I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 16:49:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA1C716A415 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:49:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA5CA43D67 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:49:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from [172.23.170.147] (helo=anti-virus03-10) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNXvO-0001fc-CJ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:49:22 +0100 Received: from [82.41.35.166] (helo=[192.168.0.2]) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNXvN-0006xH-La; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:49:21 +0100 Message-ID: <45083690.80904@dial.pipex.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:49:20 +0100 From: Alex Zbyslaw User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-GB; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060515 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andy Greenwood References: <3ee9ca710609130925i415eca35v483f6ee5421e1125@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3ee9ca710609130925i415eca35v483f6ee5421e1125@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: CLI text editor recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:49:33 -0000 Andy Greenwood wrote: > I need a CLI text editor I can use over ssh, which does NOT append > newlines to the end of files as I save them. I am using this to edit > PHP files, and my PHP doesn't like newlines outside the last ?>. ee > and vi both do so, I tried nano which also does the same. I haven't > installed emacs to try that yet, since the man page says that it also > does the same thing. Does anyone have any ideas? Emacs most certainly can save files without newlines. I don't see any option in my .emacs to force this behaviour so assume it works out of the box, nor can I find any reference in the man page which says it does add newlines. OTOH, emacs may be overkill if you don't already use it. I would have thought vi would have an option to stop this happening, but don't see one. I'm surprised at PHP barfing on "extra" newlines, but then I've never used it. --Alex From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 16:52:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA88E16A494 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:52:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [208.162.254.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E593243D6E for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:52:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A4395988 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:52:54 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pG6IzooLXvQv for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:52:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f01:224:1::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9DD29585B for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:52:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Kirk Strauser To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:52:46 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <3ee9ca710609130925i415eca35v483f6ee5421e1125@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3ee9ca710609130925i415eca35v483f6ee5421e1125@mail.gmail.com> X-Face: &'; cS03F?rr_w2Qce.d2f7xmwXfcJWDs>}CkpDw.c]ZJJ_)i0Nx Subject: Re: CLI text editor recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:52:57 -0000 --nextPart1439204.digm1YKR7l Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday 13 September 2006 11:25, Andy Greenwood wrote: > I need a CLI text editor I can use over ssh, which does NOT append > newlines to the end of files as I save them. I am using this to edit > PHP files, and my PHP doesn't like newlines outside the last ?>. ee > and vi both do so, I tried nano which also does the same. I haven't > installed emacs to try that yet, since the man page says that it also > does the same thing. Does anyone have any ideas? "vim -b brokenfile.php" should work. Note that something is seriously brok= en=20 with PHP, though, if it can't process text files in the standard format. > Another question: Why do so many text editors have this behavior? Because lines end with end-of-line, and the last line isn't magic. Note th= at=20 almost every text file on your system is this way. Try this: $ cat somefile.txt; echo NEWTEXT If somefile.txt contains "foo", you'd expect to see: foo NEWTEXT However, your broken PHP install insists on files that would result in: fooNEWTEXT which is clearly not the right thing to do. I really don't mean to sound=20 harsh, but the problem really is with PHP and not your text editors. If th= at=20 was a widespread issue, you'd hear about it all over the place and not just= =20 in this one thread. =2D-=20 Kirk Strauser --nextPart1439204.digm1YKR7l Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBFCDdi5sRg+Y0CpvERArGdAJwMBHiCmoaVLwfa9hbF5qxHY/4plQCgpaov S+/KgOxm1ZpFxksMBjFJh7A= =kD2n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1439204.digm1YKR7l-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 16:53:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C621316A47E for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:53:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51DC343D45 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:53:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 13 Sep 2006 12:53:57 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.7.5a-GA) with ESMTP id MFS69958; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:53:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-6-203-219.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.203.219]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 13 Sep 2006 12:53:52 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,160,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="275995519:sNHT23476164" From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17672.13999.919090.369262@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:49:51 -0400 To: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20060913163722.GA62734@gothmog.pc> References: <45082E5C.5040503@daleco.biz> <20060913163722.GA62734@gothmog.pc> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta27) "fiddleheads" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090206.450835EF.008E,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=207.172.4.11, so=2006-05-09 23:27:51, dmn=5.2.113/2006-07-26 Cc: Subject: Re: sendmail and hosts_access(5) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:53:57 -0000 Giorgos Keramidas writes: > I don't think you can have the hostnames in a separate "map file" > and then reference this file from /etc/hosts.allow. The port security/denyhosts does exactly that. (And it seems to work.) Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 16:59:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99A7516A403 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:59:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (ns0.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.187.76.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4524643D7C for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:58:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id k8DGv2A6011605; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:57:02 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk from=m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk; sender-id=softfail; spf=softfail X-SenderID: Sendmail Sender-ID Filter v0.2.14 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk k8DGv2A6011605 Message-ID: <45083857.40405@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:56:55 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060801) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Giorgos Keramidas References: <45082E5C.5040503@daleco.biz> <20060913163722.GA62734@gothmog.pc> In-Reply-To: <20060913163722.GA62734@gothmog.pc> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigE185DD77B070AA2CC1890615" X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:57:22 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.4/1875/Wed Sep 13 10:19:58 2006 on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD, DKIM_POLICY_TESTING, NO_RELAYS, SPOOF_NET2COM autolearn=no version=3.1.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sendmail and hosts_access(5) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:59:13 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigE185DD77B070AA2CC1890615 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2006-09-13 11:14, Kevin Kinsey wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> I am attempting to block an SMTP server with /etc/hosts.allow: >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >> Received: from 241net251.net.zeork.com.pl (241net251.net.zeork.com.pl >> [194.117.241.251] (may be forged)) >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >> [506] Tue 12.Sep.2006 20:55:44 >> [kadmin@archangel][~] >> #ssh kadmin@elisha grep zeork /home/kadmin/spammers >> .net.zeork.com.pl >> >> [507] Tue 12.Sep.2006 20:56:55 >> [kadmin@archangel][~] >> #ssh kadmin@elisha grep /home/kadmin/spammers /etc/hosts.allow >> sendmail : /home/kadmin/spammers : deny >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> hosts_access(5) says this: >> The access control language implements the following patterns: >> * A string that begins with a `.' character. A host >> name is matched if the last components of its name match the >> specified pattern. For example, the pattern `.tue.nl' matches >> the host name `wzv.win.tue.nl' >> >> So, why does my server continue accepting SMTP connections from=20 >> "241net251.net.zeork.com.pl" ? >> >> Thoughts, pointers, gentle kicks on the bum welcomed. >=20 > I don't think you can have the hostnames in a separate "map file" and > then reference this file from /etc/hosts.allow. hosts.allow triggers special behaviour with sendmail. Unlike other servi= ces which just close the connection immediately, with sendmail what happens i= s that it will accept the connection, let the sender attempt to send e-mail, but then respond with a 500 'permanent failure' code. The reason for that is fairly simple: if a MTA gets no answer when trying= to connect to a server and deliver e-mail, then the standards say it shou= ld requeue the message and try again for up to 5 days. The only way to get = the sending MTA to give up immediately is to issue a SMTP 500 error code. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigE185DD77B070AA2CC1890615 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFCDhd8Mjk52CukIwRCJdYAJsHmCo4TZ+ZKVoLz0Vi17aQgjd7tgCfYrSx aq/7JjB+0ShPosmUJ6MO0LY= =zeht -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigE185DD77B070AA2CC1890615-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 17:08:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4A9816A541 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:08:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@philip.pjkh.com) Received: from bravo.pjkh.com (bravo.pjkh.com [72.36.232.219]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1260043DF6 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:06:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@philip.pjkh.com) Received: from bravo.pjkh.com (bravo.pjkh.com [72.36.232.219]) by bravo.pjkh.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB6813D76F; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:12:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: by bravo.pjkh.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7125F13D76D; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:12:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bravo.pjkh.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FEED13C80B; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:12:10 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:12:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Philip Hallstrom To: Andy Greenwood In-Reply-To: <3ee9ca710609130925i415eca35v483f6ee5421e1125@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060913121116.H30246@bravo.pjkh.com> References: <3ee9ca710609130925i415eca35v483f6ee5421e1125@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: CLI text editor recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:08:45 -0000 > I need a CLI text editor I can use over ssh, which does NOT append > newlines to the end of files as I save them. I am using this to edit > PHP files, and my PHP doesn't like newlines outside the last ?>. ee > and vi both do so, I tried nano which also does the same. I haven't > installed emacs to try that yet, since the man page says that it also > does the same thing. Does anyone have any ideas? Not an editor, but why not just do this: ------------------------------------------------------------------- . php will treat the rest of the file as php ------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 17:10:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C924616A4A0 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:10:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: from sigma.octantis.com.au (ns2.octantis.com.au [207.44.189.124]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 232EF43DBE for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:06:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: (qmail 11095 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2006 03:05:52 +1000 Received: from 124-168-25-250.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO localhost) (124.168.25.250) by sigma.octantis.com.au with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 14 Sep 2006 03:05:52 +1000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 03:05:48 +1000 From: Norberto Meijome To: Alex Zbyslaw Message-ID: <20060914030548.4de7e718@localhost> In-Reply-To: <45083690.80904@dial.pipex.com> References: <3ee9ca710609130925i415eca35v483f6ee5421e1125@mail.gmail.com> <45083690.80904@dial.pipex.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.4.0 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Andy Greenwood , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: CLI text editor recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:10:21 -0000 On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:49:20 +0100 Alex Zbyslaw wrote: > I'm surprised at PHP barfing on "extra" newlines, but then I've never > used it. PHP does not barf at the extra lines. what could be happening is that the file in question being edited (include_me.php) is included by some other PHP script (some_script.php). If some_script.php loads include_me.php before issuing it's HTTP headers, then the new lines (or any non-php-code text in include_me.php will be sent out ot the client , BEFORE the headers, which , depending on your error / warning settings, will make php complain, and will defnitely prevent the intended action of the HTTP headers from happening properly. back to the subject, i doubt that vi 'adds' a new line... i've used vi for years (and yes, many times editing php scripts over ssh) and it doesnt save any more lines than those already present... maybe you need to remove DOS ^M ? ( try converters/unix2dos ) - those are far more likely to cause headaches on a cross platform environment. _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome "Software is like sex, its better when its free" Linus Torvalds I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 17:12:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C919D16A415 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:12:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: from sigma.octantis.com.au (ns2.octantis.com.au [207.44.189.124]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C4543EA9 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:10:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: (qmail 11203 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2006 03:10:58 +1000 Received: from 124-168-25-250.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO localhost) (124.168.25.250) by sigma.octantis.com.au with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 14 Sep 2006 03:10:58 +1000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 03:10:55 +1000 From: Norberto Meijome To: Bart Silverstrim Message-ID: <20060914031055.45dcbb6a@localhost> In-Reply-To: <7269D41C-C334-44DC-9549-ACB28F79014A@chrononomicon.com> References: <7269D41C-C334-44DC-9549-ACB28F79014A@chrononomicon.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.4.0 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: forwarding as a gateway, logging certain traffic X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:12:04 -0000 On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:51:08 -0400 Bart Silverstrim wrote: > Something inside our network is infected with a spam-mailing trojan. > We now have our PIX firewall set to block all outgoing traffic to > port 25 unless it is from our mail server. you should also accept only authenticated smtp connections from your LAN (or exchange only, if you can), and limit the number of recipients per email. Pretty sure you can limit the rate at which xchange will send emails out (virtual smtp server). Then just check the xchange queues ... see them grow...and wonder why did we (I'm in the same boat ;) ) went with xhcnage in the first place :D HIH _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome "I don't think they could put him in a mental hospital. On the other hand, if he were already in, I don't think they'd let him out." I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 17:24:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CCFB16A40F for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:24:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greenwood.andy@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87BC143DD0 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:24:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from greenwood.andy@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i21so764742wra for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:24:43 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WlewATemKF2k46mnMELviSl3vGW1+k0Ygz9zWOk6EO07yPHOaAAv22ZxFfIZcnHAqrxsjcn/a7xkAkqrnHr44LVEiD+o9mf+/cIafwGpVd8URC0OqCqqeIWbLhX1iLGfQzO9SN/ftK0hwpSY/NasPatHF+FONPoNTAoEEh7DjHo= Received: by 10.90.28.12 with SMTP id b12mr2862487agb; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.80.18 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3ee9ca710609131024u5c145a3bldda810cad5aa5470@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:24:42 -0400 From: "Andy Greenwood" To: "Philip Hallstrom" In-Reply-To: <20060913121116.H30246@bravo.pjkh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <3ee9ca710609130925i415eca35v483f6ee5421e1125@mail.gmail.com> <20060913121116.H30246@bravo.pjkh.com> Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: CLI text editor recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:24:51 -0000 Thanks for the advice everyone. I will certainly check out my php and see if I can figure out why it's giving me errors as-is. On 9/13/06, Philip Hallstrom wrote: > > I need a CLI text editor I can use over ssh, which does NOT append > > newlines to the end of files as I save them. I am using this to edit > > PHP files, and my PHP doesn't like newlines outside the last ?>. ee > > and vi both do so, I tried nano which also does the same. I haven't > > installed emacs to try that yet, since the man page says that it also > > does the same thing. Does anyone have any ideas? > > Not an editor, but why not just do this: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > # php code here > > # note no last ?>. php will treat the rest of the file as php > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 17:28:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7F016A416 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:28:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com (mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE8743D9E for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:28:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from collaborativefusion.com (mx01.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.201]) (TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by wingspan with esmtp; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:28:42 -0400 id 0005641D.45083FCA.00018546 Received: from Internal Mail-Server (206.210.89.202) by mx01 (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 13 Sep 2006 13:25:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:28:41 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: "Jonathan Horne" Message-Id: <20060913132841.26ad2ec5.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> In-Reply-To: <24832.167.246.36.14.1158158944.squirrel@webmail.dfwlp.org> References: <24832.167.246.36.14.1158158944.squirrel@webmail.dfwlp.org> Organization: Collaborative Fusion X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.7 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: package-recursive and methods to quickly rebuild your computer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:28:56 -0000 In response to "Jonathan Horne" : > so ive been playing with my buildserver, and working out the methodology > to quickly recover a computer to operational mode. > > yesterday, i took my buildserver, and began with a 'pkg_delete -a', and > then updated my ports tree. i then proceeded to visit each port directory > of things my production server runs, and did a 'make install > package-recursive', until had a /usr/ports/packages/ directory that was > very full of what appears to be invididual packages of each of the things > i need on my server. > > next, i took a test box, and mounted /usr/ports from my build server to > this test box, changed to /usr/ports/packages/All, and did a 'pkg_add -v > *', and watched as what appeared to be each package this directory install > onto my test box. > > the first thing i decided to test, was apache (2.0.59). apache would fire > up, but php would not work well enough to load squirrelmail or something > like phpsysinfo. phpsysinfo told me that the xml and pcre exentions are > required, but 'pkg_info|grep php5' told me that these extensions were > installed. if i do a plain 'pkg_info' on both my build server and test > box, they are line for line the same, but some things are obvously not > working. > > first, am i going about this project in the wrong direction? Sounds good to me. > second, what is the proper way to use the packages that have been built > from ports, and how do they differ from actually building the port on a > system? It sounds to me like the php addons aren't getting registered in /usr/local/etc/php/extensions.ini -- Bill Moran Collaborative Fusion Inc. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 17:43:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE46216A407 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:43:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trunasuci@mail.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950ED43D62 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:43:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trunasuci@mail.com) Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 511141800DE7 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:47:57 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.182) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 13 Sep 2006 17:47:57 -0000 Received: by ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DD8851CE308; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:47:54 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Ahmad Arafat Abdullah" To: "Kris Kennaway" , "Jonathan Horne" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:47:48 -0800 Received: from [60.49.202.201] by ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com with http for trunasuci@mail.com; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:47:48 -0800 X-Originating-Ip: 60.49.202.201 X-Originating-Server: ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060913174754.DD8851CE308@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: libm.so.3 on FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:43:08 -0000 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kris Kennaway" > To: "Jonathan Horne" > Subject: Re: libm.so.3 on FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE > Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:46:20 -0400 >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 09:23:46PM -0500, Jonathan Horne wrote: >=20 > > cvsuping to -p6 wil not fix the problem. i had the exact same=20 > > issue (except it was a list of 6 different .so files) getting the=20 > > NetBackup 5.1 agent for UNIX to run on freebsd. my solution was=20 > > as simple as: > > > > ln -s /lib/libm.so.4 /lib/libm.so.2 > > > > (NetBackup agent was looking for so.2) > > > > so in your case, just symlink the existing .4 to a .3, and you=20 > > should be good to go. backwards compatibility should not be an=20 > > issue. >=20 > That's a bogus hack; the libraries are not compatible or they'd have > the same version! >=20 > Just install the relevant compat package (compat4x/compat5x). >=20 > Kris > << 2.dat >> > anyway dude, in my case compat 4.x and 5.x already installed and run in my kernel, but still i cant run it properly because of the library issue.. and i'm doing this symlink and it's solved.. :) --=20 ___________________________________________________ Now you can search for products and services http://search.mail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 18:25:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7CB216A403 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:25:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1386343D9F for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:25:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([69.27.149.254]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k8DIPKAP064786; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:25:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <45084D0B.9020505@daleco.biz> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:25:15 -0500 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.0.6) Gecko/20060902 SeaMonkey/1.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Huff References: <45082E5C.5040503@daleco.biz> <20060913163722.GA62734@gothmog.pc> <17672.13999.919090.369262@jerusalem.litteratus.org> In-Reply-To: <17672.13999.919090.369262@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sendmail and hosts_access(5) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:25:45 -0000 Robert Huff wrote: > Giorgos Keramidas writes: > >> I don't think you can have the hostnames in a separate "map file" >> and then reference this file from /etc/hosts.allow. > > The port security/denyhosts does exactly that. (And it seems > to work.) > > Robert Huff I didn't see Giorgos' reply to my initial post, but, on that subject, the manpage I referred to (hosts_access) also says: "A string that begins with a `/' character is treated as a file name. A host name or address is matched if it matches any host name or address pattern listed in the named file. The file format is zero or more lines with zero or more host name or address patterns separated by whitespace. A file name pattern can be used anywhere a host name or address pattern can be used." It could be, I suppose, that the manpage is out-of-date/sync with reality.... Kevin Kinsey -- It is better to wear out than to rust out. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 18:56:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ACB916A5B2 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:56:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4FF343D45 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:56:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1GNZus-00027U-UQ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:56:58 +0100 Received: from esperance.zetnet.co.uk (54-144.adsl.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.54.144]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.13.6/8.13.6/Debian-1) with SMTP id k8DIuu5G017312 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:56:56 +0100 Received: (qmail 2897 invoked by uid 1001); 13 Sep 2006 18:56:51 -0000 From: "Frank Shute" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:56:51 +0100 To: ograbme Message-ID: <20060913185651.GA2846@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <8a0028260609120341v61920cf5p3aad4710ef3bd634@mail.gmail.com> <186816020.20060912160233@gmail.com> <20060913024117.GA65435@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> <969392796.20060913081922@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <969392796.20060913081922@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p3 i386 X-Organisation: 'Esperance Linux' X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (zetnet.co.uk [194.247.46.1]); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:56:57 +0100 (BST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Ports collection / FreeBSD CDs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:56:59 -0000 On Wed, Sep 13, 2006 at 08:19:22AM -0400, ograbme wrote: > > Hello Frank, > > Tuesday, September 12, 2006, 10:41:17 PM, you wrote: > > > > FS> Go grab the compressed, reasonably up to date ports tree: > > FS> $ fetch -dpv ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/ports/ports.tar.gz > > FS> (warning! 35MB compressed) > > Will do when I have Internet connection via FreeBSD box. Need to set > up ADSL connection - am currently reading about that process. Also, > need to figure out how USB gets set up properly. But these are two > separate issues that I will probably be asking about in the very near > future ... if I haven't managed to make any real progress in these > areas. I didn't realise you didn't have a network connection yet! For usb, you need: usbd_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf The handbook is your best bet to get your network connection going. Any problems, just post here. > > FS> and: > > FS> # mv ports.tar.gz /usr/ports > FS> # cd /usr/ports > FS> # tar xvzf ports.tar.gz > > FS> to build sudo, first check that there's nothing funny with building > FS> sudo: > > FS> $ cat /usr/ports/UPDATING | grep sudo > > FS> if there's nothing then: > > FS> # cd /usr/ports/security/sudo/ > FS> # make install clean > > Thanks for the detailed steps. > > FS> Then read the handbook about keeping your ports tree up to date using > FS> portsnap or cvsup. > > Will do. > > >> > >> P.S. Please advise what the proper mode of responding is in terms of > >> replying. I did a "reply all" ... > >> > >> > > FS> That's OK. I usually post to the list and cc to the person who posted > FS> in the first place as they may not be subscribed to the list. > > Yes, this was my line of thinking, but don't want to upset anyone as > I am a newbie here. ;) Yeah, it always helps if you don't piss off everybody when you're tring to get help ;) > > FS> Welcome to FreeBSD! > > Thanks. Appreciate it, Frank. > No worries. BTW, you can get back to the installer with: # /stand/sysinstall and from there with your discs you can install a limited amount of ports/packages. Best of luck with it. It will take you some blood, sweat and tears to familiarise yourself with FreeBSD but once you've gone through the initial learning process and setting up the basics such as networking and email, it's very easy to maintain your system and install software - much easier than Linux IMHO. The ports system for application software and buildkernel/buildworld for upgrading your base system are very effective. -- Frank echo "f r a n k @ e s p e r a n c e - l i n u x . c o . u k" | sed 's/ //g' --->PGP keyID: 0x10BD6F4B<--- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 20:14:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A420A16A47B for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:14:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhorne@dfwlp.org) Received: from zeus.dfwlp.com (zeus.dfwlp.com [208.11.134.127]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1419643D45 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:14:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhorne@dfwlp.org) Received: from webmail.dfwlp.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zeus.dfwlp.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8DKEAIX042767; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:14:10 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jhorne@dfwlp.org) Received: from 167.246.36.14 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jhorne) by webmail.dfwlp.org with HTTP; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:14:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <53348.167.246.36.14.1158178450.squirrel@webmail.dfwlp.org> In-Reply-To: <20060913132841.26ad2ec5.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> References: <24832.167.246.36.14.1158158944.squirrel@webmail.dfwlp.org> <20060913132841.26ad2ec5.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:14:10 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jonathan Horne" To: "Bill Moran" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on zeus.dfwlp.com Cc: Jonathan Horne , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: package-recursive and methods to quickly rebuild your computer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:14:16 -0000 > In response to "Jonathan Horne" : > >> so ive been playing with my buildserver, and working out the methodology >> to quickly recover a computer to operational mode. >> >> yesterday, i took my buildserver, and began with a 'pkg_delete -a', and >> then updated my ports tree. i then proceeded to visit each port >> directory >> of things my production server runs, and did a 'make install >> package-recursive', until had a /usr/ports/packages/ directory that was >> very full of what appears to be invididual packages of each of the >> things >> i need on my server. >> >> next, i took a test box, and mounted /usr/ports from my build server to >> this test box, changed to /usr/ports/packages/All, and did a 'pkg_add -v >> *', and watched as what appeared to be each package this directory >> install >> onto my test box. >> >> the first thing i decided to test, was apache (2.0.59). apache would >> fire >> up, but php would not work well enough to load squirrelmail or something >> like phpsysinfo. phpsysinfo told me that the xml and pcre exentions are >> required, but 'pkg_info|grep php5' told me that these extensions were >> installed. if i do a plain 'pkg_info' on both my build server and test >> box, they are line for line the same, but some things are obvously not >> working. >> >> first, am i going about this project in the wrong direction? > > Sounds good to me. > >> second, what is the proper way to use the packages that have been built >> from ports, and how do they differ from actually building the port on a >> system? > > It sounds to me like the php addons aren't getting registered in > /usr/local/etc/php/extensions.ini > > -- > Bill Moran > Collaborative Fusion Inc. it turns out, that you were correct. and to add insult to injury, the package that was created is not even depositing the pcre.so into /usr/local/lib/php/20050922 directory, which is fully populated on the build server. at this point im not sure where to go. so far, it doesnt seem like this project is going to produce a useable set of pre-built packages from my build server that can be used on another system for a fast-as-possible system recovery. not beaten yet, jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 20:25:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D3FC16A417 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:25:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D48243D6A for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:25:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so3037733pye for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:25:50 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=VLf8Ib8/jiXA93kJvMyCZYou1sqStSG/2GjmAQxQ7NqD3zBF0nWxwEnx/NQDWo+d5zc0wCDdxj8qJSltXSdr/DtRK59WR8qEasR1yZ8hrtPAYbO21uDf+yVqrCwa/8aYNn1TGyGP4or7vIlny1y7Cpe8GgD09UVnbcliyhnK/rg= Received: by 10.35.35.17 with SMTP id n17mr13663129pyj; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:25:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.105.10 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:25:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:25:50 +0400 From: "Andrew Pantyukhin" Sender: infofarmer@gmail.com To: felix.schalck In-Reply-To: <45080374.2050408@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <45080374.2050408@gmx.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: c9db30030e92e2d7 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Thank You and Mc OS games X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:25:57 -0000 On 9/13/06, felix.schalck wrote: > Hello in there, > > I'm kind of complicated person, so finding o good OS was really a pity > for me. I googled around a lot, installed a lot and often get > disappointed... until I discovered FreeBSD. Folks, this OS ist simply > great because it is CLEAR. Clear Structure, clear Doc, clear Policy. But > all the guys on this mailing list probably already know this... Now, i > have one simple question related to this: where and whom can I tell > THANK YOU ? GOOD WORK ? For providing such a great OS. There are many places, but I'm sure you've been heard already. Thanks for your kind words. > Secondly: being myself an ex-gamer, I'm wondering if it is possible to > run Mac OS games under FreeBSD. I found no solution on google, so > probably there is some reason which cause it NOT working. Could someone > just explain me what it this reason ? Unfortunately, Mac OS games just don't run on anything but Mac OS itself. Many Linux games and some windows ones run flawlessly on FreeBSD, though, with no or subtle performance penalties. On the other hand, you might have heard that Mac OS X is based on FreeBSD. They removed all the clear things you were talking about, slipstreamed a clear-looking GUI and put a price tag on it. The result is a pretty good desktop OS (for a commercial one that is). You might want to try it out. Take care! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 20:52:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E309E16A412; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:52:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.175]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8343843D45; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:52:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin04-en2 [10.13.10.149]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout05/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k8DKqhED011160; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [17.214.13.96] (a17-214-13-96.apple.com [17.214.13.96]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin04/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k8DKqdkm024205; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:52:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <45080374.2050408@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chuck Swiger Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:52:38 -0700 To: Andrew Pantyukhin , "felix.schalck" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-Language-Identified: TRUE Cc: FreeBSD Mailing Lists Subject: Re: Thank You and Mc OS games X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:52:44 -0000 On Sep 13, 2006, at 1:25 PM, Andrew Pantyukhin wrote: > Unfortunately, Mac OS games just don't run on anything but Mac OS > itself. Many Linux games and some windows ones run flawlessly on > FreeBSD, though, with no or subtle performance penalties. For commercial game software, Andrew is certainly right that one it more likely to be able to run Linux versions. However, something like BZFlag runs on both MacOS X and FreeBSD, as do almost all of the Roguelike games (URogue, NetHack, Moria, Angband), and many other Open Source games. Felix, try looking under /usr/ports/games.... > On the other hand, you might have heard that Mac OS X is based on > FreeBSD. They removed all the clear things you were talking about, > slipstreamed a clear-looking GUI and put a price tag on it. At the time MacOS X was first released, the majority of CVS tags in the kernel and library trees came from NetBSD, with FreeBSD being the second most common. At the present time, from http:// developer.apple.com/technotes/tn2002/tn2071.html: "Evolution of Mac OS X Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD): Part of the history of Mac OS X goes back to Berkeley Software Distributions (BSD) UNIX of the early seventies. Specifically, Mac OS X is based in part on BSD 4.4 Lite. On a system level, many of the design decisions are made to align with BSD-style UNIX systems. Most libraries and utilities are from FreeBSD, but some are derived from NetBSD. For future development, Mac OS X has adopted FreeBSD as a reference code base for BSD technology. Work is ongoing to synchronize all BSD tools and libraries more closely with the FreeBSD-stable branch. Mach: Although Mac OS X must credit BSD for most of the underlying levels of the operating system, Mac OS X also owes a major debt to Mach. The kernel is heavily influenced in its design philosophy by Carnegie Mellon's Mach project. The kernel is not a pure micro- kernel implementation, since the address space is shared with the BSD portion of the kernel and the I/O Kit." -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 21:17:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D99F816A412 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:17:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from felix.schalck@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F086943D6E for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:16:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from felix.schalck@gmx.net) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 13 Sep 2006 21:16:41 -0000 Received: from lns-bzn-58-82-251-255-138.adsl.proxad.net (EHLO [192.168.0.7]) [82.251.255.138] by mail.gmx.net (mp027) with SMTP; 13 Sep 2006 23:16:41 +0200 X-Authenticated: #23426003 Message-ID: <45087539.4090703@gmx.net> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:16:41 +0200 From: "felix.schalck" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060828) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Swiger References: <45080374.2050408@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: Andrew Pantyukhin , FreeBSD Mailing Lists Subject: Re: Thank You and Mc OS games X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:17:33 -0000 > > > "Evolution of Mac OS X > > Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD): Part of the history of Mac OS X > goes back to Berkeley Software Distributions (BSD) UNIX of the early > seventies. Specifically, Mac OS X is based in part on BSD 4.4 Lite. > On a system level, many of the design decisions are made to align with > BSD-style UNIX systems. Most libraries and utilities are from > FreeBSD, but some are derived from NetBSD. For future development, > Mac OS X has adopted FreeBSD as a reference code base for BSD > technology. Work is ongoing to synchronize all BSD tools and libraries > more closely with the FreeBSD-stable branch. Thanks for your details, Do you think the interest that mac developpers pay on freebsd-stable is a good thing for FreeBSD ? I mean: for further developpement and general supporting of the OS ? regards, Felix From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 21:27:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F6416A40F for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:27:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.175]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D88343D5C for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:27:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin01-en2 [10.13.10.146]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout05/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k8DLRBBo025297; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [17.214.13.96] (a17-214-13-96.apple.com [17.214.13.96]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin01/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k8DLR9hn014522; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:27:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <45087539.4090703@gmx.net> References: <45080374.2050408@gmx.net> <45087539.4090703@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chuck Swiger Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:27:08 -0700 To: "felix.schalck" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-Language-Identified: TRUE Cc: FreeBSD Mailing Lists Subject: Re: Thank You and Mc OS games X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:27:14 -0000 On Sep 13, 2006, at 2:16 PM, felix.schalck wrote: > Do you think the interest that mac developpers pay on freebsd- > stable is a good thing for FreeBSD ? I mean: for further > developpement and general supporting of the OS ? Sure. But the effect is better observed by noticing which parts of one system are actually committed to the CVS (SVN, etc) repositories of another. -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 21:46:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B2EE16A407 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:46:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feelingwei@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2802B43D46 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:46:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from feelingwei@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n29so1942085nfc for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:46:37 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=tX8bLuVmbUAnO7eVz+v/MdaFUWhHub+P39lHlA+15dgAf6mD1dNgvJglSxhDfyu9O7IcbQLtYU2rvxkTNN4fW7svPE0895uCS1ybz/CZLrouQgnc8mv08ttMv5KvPsywFyTuihLjL6uWlMahrhQq2VcH7u6qJpSaSVK0zthQqxc= Received: by 10.49.90.4 with SMTP id s4mr11369184nfl; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.12.2 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:46:37 +1000 From: "Wei Hu" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: how to disable realplayer automatically open web browser? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:46:40 -0000 Hello Freebsder, When I play some video clips downloaded from the Internet, realplayer automatically opens a web browser and goes to some web pages. I know how to disable this in M$ Windwos using realfilter.exe or Helix Producer Plus, but how to disable this in Freebsd or Linux. Thanks. Wei From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 21:46:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5551416A403 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:46:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hackmiester@hackmiester.com) Received: from smtpout07-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpout07-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B03943D46 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:46:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hackmiester@hackmiester.com) Received: (qmail 30253 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2006 21:46:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (74.230.48.254) by smtpout07-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.233) with ESMTP; 13 Sep 2006 21:46:44 -0000 In-Reply-To: References: <45080374.2050408@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <609F7A2A-2DD9-4816-AA2B-DC3EBA816FCB@hackmiester.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "hackmiester (Hunter Fuller)" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:33:13 -0500 To: Andrew Pantyukhin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Cc: "felix.schalck" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Thank You and Mc OS games X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:46:46 -0000 On 13 September 2006, at 15:25, Andrew Pantyukhin wrote: > > On the other hand, you might have heard that Mac OS X is based on > FreeBSD. Although it is based on BSD, I don't think it's FreeBSD it was based on. I think it goes all the way back to 4.2BSD. Or something. > They removed all the clear things you were talking about, > slipstreamed a clear-looking GUI and put a price tag on it. The result > is a pretty good desktop OS (for a commercial one that is). You might > want to try it out. > > Take care! > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- hackmiester (Hunter Fuller) yknow when you go to a party, and everyones hooked up except one guy and one girl and so they look at each other like.. do we have to? intel & nvidia must be lookin at each other like that right now Phone Voice: +1 251 589 6348 Fax: Call the voice number and ask. Email General chat: hackmiester@hackmiester.com Large attachments: hackmiester@gmail.com SPS-related stuff: hfuller@stpaulsmobile.net IM AIM: hackmiester1337 Skype: hackmiester31337 YIM: hackm1ester Gtalk: hackmiester MSN: hackmiester@hackmiester.com Xfire: hackmiester From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 22:49:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7654416A40F for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:49:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kei-29ij@myamail.com) Received: from bkp.bsdhost.net (bkp.bsdhost.net [66.160.134.99]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2526043D45 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:49:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kei-29ij@myamail.com) Received: from c-24-61-43-200.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([24.61.43.200] helo=[172.16.2.99]) by bkp.bsdhost.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GNdXW-000OhC-Al for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:49:06 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <4065CD1E-54D7-49E3-A532-C312450BA101@myamail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Fred C! Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:48:17 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Subject: Problem with sqlite3 and python X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:49:07 -0000 Hello I have a problem with Python + sqlite3. My main machine is a FreeBSD 6.1 I have also try on an old machine running FreeBSD 5.5 and it doesn't work either. I join to this email some information. I can also provide a core file if someone is interested in solving that problem. Thanks you for any information on how to solve this -fred- cocoa[282]> gdb /usr/local/bin/python python.core GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. 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Loaded symbols for /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 #0 0x282204ab in pthread_testcancel () from /usr/lib/libpthread.so.2 [New Thread 0x8d6bc00 (sleeping)] [New Thread 0x8d6ba00 (sleeping)] [New Thread 0x8d6b800 (sleeping)] [New Thread 0x8d6b600 (sleeping)] [New Thread 0x8d6b400 (sleeping)] [New Thread 0x8d6b200 (sleeping)] [New Thread 0x8d6b000 (sleeping)] [New Thread 0x8d60e00 (runnable)] [New Thread 0x8d60a00 (sleeping)] [New Thread 0x8d60800 (sleeping)] [New Thread 0x8d5c200 (runnable)] [New Thread 0x8cfec00 (sleeping)] [New Thread 0x8d03a00 (sleeping)] [New Thread 0x8d03800 (LWP 100086)] [New Thread 0x811f000 (sleeping)] [New LWP 100090] (gdb) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 23:10:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE74A16A403 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:10:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arroba2puntos@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E3843D46 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:10:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from arroba2puntos@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n29so1957649nfc for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:10:11 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=QsQA1tcf3QeO03limNXI5rMjmOLhoWeipKqLw85AOSTolV5x3WKRNulXt5Pkc8WmPkzpZh0c/rfxv6hR/WUJnRfPgP2+rUM/jq0yqKdGFXpmyu9MLSUM9GoCyLr/nG9EE5VFtgwP3lmjoao/2ibPwb1TfnVbtwyEr2kAqXjPseQ= Received: by 10.78.166.7 with SMTP id o7mr415022hue; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.2? ( [85.57.129.135]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 4sm7637786hue.2006.09.13.16.10.09; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <45088FCF.3040405@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 01:10:07 +0200 From: Karlos User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Meaning of CP_INTR X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:10:13 -0000 Im getting the cpu statistics from sysctlbyname("kern.cp_time"... But i dont know the exact meaning of the field CP_INTR (defined in sys/resource.h). I know its the time that the cpu spends in interrupt mode but: what kind of interrupts? IRQs? software interrupts? both? Thank you. -- /Karlos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 23:17:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B1616A403 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:17:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.172]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53CFC43D49 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:17:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin03-en2 [10.13.10.148]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout02/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k8DNHdpJ001712; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:17:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [17.214.13.96] (a17-214-13-96.apple.com [17.214.13.96]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin03/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k8DNHaNE024935; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:17:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4065CD1E-54D7-49E3-A532-C312450BA101@myamail.com> References: <4065CD1E-54D7-49E3-A532-C312450BA101@myamail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chuck Swiger Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:17:35 -0700 To: Fred C! X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-Language-Identified: TRUE Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with sqlite3 and python X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:17:39 -0000 On Sep 13, 2006, at 3:48 PM, Fred C! wrote: > Hello I have a problem with Python + sqlite3. My main machine is a > FreeBSD 6.1 I have also try on an old machine running FreeBSD 5.5 > and it doesn't work either. I join to this email some information. > I can also provide a core file if someone is interested in solving > that problem. > > Thanks you for any information on how to solve this Not enough data; switch to the thread which crashed, ie got the SIG 11, and do a "bt" to try to see what was going wrong. Note that debugging multithreaded programs is rather difficult, and you might want to double-check that your basic Python installation is OK first by running the included self-tests which come with the Python distribution. If you're using the Python from ports, try doing: cd /usr/ports/lang/python && make cd /usr/ports/lang/python/work/Python-2.4.3 && make test -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 13 23:21:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8693016A412 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:21:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kruptos@mlinux.org) Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3129943D49 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:21:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kruptos@mlinux.org) Received: from fnord.quux.edu (21.39.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com [65.33.39.21]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8DNLMRY021092 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:21:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin Brunelle To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:21:21 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <20060911211241.GA2211@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> <20060911222038.73258.qmail@web83104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8a0028260609120316q7ab0d7bcydcaec44fea42e325@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8a0028260609120316q7ab0d7bcydcaec44fea42e325@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609131921.21645.kruptos@mlinux.org> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:21:24 -0000 On Tuesday 12 September 2006 06:16, Jeff Rollin wrote: > I let a lot of BSD comments about Linux go "unpunished", but this one has > always got me. BSD had to be *almost totally rewritten* to avoid AT&T > licensing issues... added to the fact that I wouldn't be surprised if it's > hard to find a single line of code IRIX, Solaris et al these days share > between themselves and with V7. Not only that, but I understand that a lot > of Unix sysadmins download the GNU tools as well, because (among other > things) they do nifty things like being able to unzip, gunzip or bunzip a > tarball before untarring it. And the amount of software available from > people like KDE to install in FreeBSD is staggering. I find the phrase "almost totally rewritten" to be misleading. It is true that the majority of the OS had been rewritten by the time of the lawsuit. That is what happens as hardware and software changes. You'd vomit if you had a V7 kernel on modern hardware (even if you got all the hardware supported the internals were designed for a different time period). The code had evolved slowly over time from the base of where it had started. By the time the lawsuit was brought up and the licensing issues went to court only 0.016% of the files had to be removed and another 0.388% of them had to add copyright notices. I hardly find needing to rewrite less than half a percent (0.404%) of the operating system as a total rebuild. Along with that less than half a percent was a legal order to not use the name "Unix" but the 99.59% of code that was Unix one moment didn't suddenly cease to exist or change forms when that name was removed. "The lawsuit was settled in January 1994, largely in Berkeley's favor. Of the 18,000 files in the Berkeley distribution, only 3 had to be removed and 70 modified to show USL copyright notices. A further condition of the settlement was that USL would not file further lawsuits against users and distributors of the Berkeley-owned code in the upcoming 4.4BSD release." [From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Software_Distribution#Net.2F2_and_legal_troubles but easily found elsewhere as well if one investigates.] Does the OS have any original code left in it? I certainly hope not but the pedigree is there. It started from the original code and changed a little bit at a time. Even though FreeBSD can't be called Unix today, it evolved from Unix. Linux arose from ideas as presented in the POSIX standard and GNU community. I agree that Linux is not an "emulator." It is just a different interpretation of Unix. Solaris is different, BSD is different, AIX is different, etc. While some did evolve from the actual roots and Linux didn't... I do not believe that is reason alone to snub Linux. Anyway, all modern day Unix systems have different code than the original Unix systems. It's part of the reality of software. As for the GNU tools, yes most sysadmins use some of them (although not always). I know that BSD tar handles gzip and bzip2 just fine ( -z and -j respectively). So I know I wouldn't download gtar just for that feature. And I don't even consider it that large of a feature. If I had a tar which lacked it, I could certainly still manage that with one command line. GNU utilities have their benefits. Mainly, in my experience, that they're fairly common in the open source world and often you need them to use something which is created by them. I've had to download gawk and gsed before just to install a program without rewriting all the awk and sed code in it to be posix compliant, for example. I do have KDE on several computers I maintain for people and use a lot of software outside the base install. Once everything is setup... and for the most part, the difference between using BSD or Linux is minor. It's not anywhere near the difference between using Windows and Mac (for example). -Kevin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 00:05:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C9516A416 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:05:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from snacktime@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.228]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C76BD43D69 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:05:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from snacktime@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so2565078wxd for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:05:18 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=RXcb/H6AXaVfMYeNGcLIZcOJt8r/fQZS+y2WzrOGFkC6md7ZX94abMSIZeMo7xS6Wq708f/Xh4/gI/UM29UuPWbHEEqfJg30FWZ9sjOu6ZVle0KW8pOaRvApcUK+6hJxo1fk2RjiStG5/P+YOh8rAuxcrbZ1ohmI5iGTXzCHx/A= Received: by 10.90.117.11 with SMTP id p11mr3047868agc; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.91.14 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1f060c4c0609131705l4f28eec1xa6d267b7c844f264@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:05:17 -0700 From: snacktime To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: apache 1.x and 2.x on same server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:05:19 -0000 Are there any options I can use when installing apache 2.x from the ports tree so it won't overwrite apache 1.x? Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 00:19:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D1B016A40F for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:19:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trashbird1240@yahoo.com) Received: from web50415.mail.yahoo.com (web50415.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.110]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A734A43D46 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:19:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trashbird1240@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 87164 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Sep 2006 00:19:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=g4Z0l5MHY8GmZl8pb84yZ45Y5gO1nOJ/o5CzyVdEdaMxv2J/CIntrIV2iZJcDUCWp3etEEJVaxKDAz6RJbBiOA4Q0X0Om7pdqGQAZbvnfh4qfhMkHlCgLsmTOR4rY6PGIfrQCfA1Ut70/kAXslwXlXoxReNzEowcaeetjOENUdc= ; Message-ID: <20060914001910.87162.qmail@web50415.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [146.115.125.165] by web50415.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:19:10 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:19:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Adamson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200609131921.21645.kruptos@mlinux.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Newbie Experience -- Linux/BSD Differences X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:19:11 -0000 If I may comment as someone who knows only that BSD looks better to a newbie, it looks better because I only have to go to one place to read the FreeBSD manual. For Linux, there's documentation for all the little parts, and a community/wiki for any particular distribution, except that's a lot different from having a single document that covers almost everything. And for everything else, there's this list, which has a minimum of *attitude*, which is a contrast to many linux boards I've read. Joel On Tuesday 12 September 2006 06:16, Jeff Rollin wrote: > I let a lot of BSD comments about Linux go "unpunished", but this Joel J. Adamson Arlington, MA --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 00:23:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF35516A412 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:23:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kei-29ij@myamail.com) Received: from bkp.bsdhost.net (bkp.bsdhost.net [66.160.134.99]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76DC243D49 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:23:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kei-29ij@myamail.com) Received: from c-24-61-43-200.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([24.61.43.200] helo=[172.16.2.99]) by bkp.bsdhost.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GNf0v-0001FT-U3; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:23:36 -0700 In-Reply-To: References: <4065CD1E-54D7-49E3-A532-C312450BA101@myamail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--502435095 Message-Id: <0336322C-5F90-420D-AA56-B63D66E4C33E@myamail.com> From: Fred C! Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:23:11 -0400 To: Chuck Swiger X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with sqlite3 and python X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:23:37 -0000 --Apple-Mail-1--502435095 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Sep 13, 2006, at 7:17 PM, Chuck Swiger wrote: > > On Sep 13, 2006, at 3:48 PM, Fred C! wrote: >> Hello I have a problem with Python + sqlite3. My main machine is a >> FreeBSD 6.1 I have also try on an old machine running FreeBSD 5.5 >> and it doesn't work either. I join to this email some information. >> I can also provide a core file if someone is interested in >> solving that problem. >> >> Thanks you for any information on how to solve this > > Not enough data; switch to the thread which crashed, ie got the SIG > 11, and do a "bt" to try to see what was going wrong. > > Note that debugging multithreaded programs is rather difficult, and > you might want to double-check that your basic Python installation > is OK first by running the included self-tests which come with the > Python distribution. If you're using the Python from ports, try > doing: > > cd /usr/ports/lang/python && make > cd /usr/ports/lang/python/work/Python-2.4.3 && make test Every thing seems OK to me. All the tests are fine. --Apple-Mail-1--502435095 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed -fred- --Apple-Mail-1--502435095-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 01:22:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0232B16A54F; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 01:22:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B5343D64; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 01:22:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8E1Lw5V036713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:21:58 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.3/8.12.11) id k8E1LwSh008156; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:21:58 +0700 (ICT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:21:58 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200609140121.k8E1LwSh008156@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: infofarmer@freebsd.org In-reply-to: (infofarmer@freebsd.org) References: <200609120901.k8C91gXr004122@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Slow install of Ruby 18 from ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 01:22:05 -0000 > Old FreeBSD on old hardware is a recipe for such problems. Hummm, I was looking at bsdstats... majority of registered hardware is pentium III. I like FreeBSD because of it's hability of running well on old hardware: why would I need a Xeon dual core to run a DNS server for 5 clients? Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 01:58:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923D616A403 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 01:58:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@orchid.homeunix.org) Received: from orchid.homeunix.org (aum120.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl [83.27.20.120]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFBC343D45 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 01:58:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@orchid.homeunix.org) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (blackacidevil.orchid.homeunix.org [192.168.1.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by orchid.homeunix.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8E1vgrE067401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 03:57:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@orchid.homeunix.org) Message-ID: <4508B70E.60604@orchid.homeunix.org> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 03:57:34 +0200 From: Karol Kwiatkowski User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060731) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olivier Nicole References: <200609120901.k8C91gXr004122@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200609140121.k8E1LwSh008156@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> In-Reply-To: <200609140121.k8E1LwSh008156@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.0 OpenPGP: id=06E09309; url=http://www.orchid.homeunix.org/carlos/gpg/0x06E09309.asc Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig2B0BB6D385D47878EFC840D6" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.4/1879/Wed Sep 13 23:42:16 2006 on orchid.homeunix.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Slow install of Ruby 18 from ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@orchid.homeunix.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 01:58:15 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig2B0BB6D385D47878EFC840D6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 14/09/2006 03:21, Olivier Nicole wrote: > Hummm, I was looking at bsdstats... majority of registered hardware is > pentium III. >=20 > I like FreeBSD because of it's hability of running well on old > hardware: why would I need a Xeon dual core to run a DNS server for 5 > clients? I don't know why. I'm running DNS server on old Celeron 400Mhz with 96MB RAM just fine. Why do you think you need Xeon dual core for that? Karol --=20 Karol Kwiatkowski OpenPGP: http://www.orchid.homeunix.org/carlos/gpg/0x06E09309.asc --------------enig2B0BB6D385D47878EFC840D6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFCLcWezeoPAwGIYsRCH18AJ0QJuzDjqxlAPrcSuNgD7klNP38mQCeO9t0 6gRYKvet0mQXYlsnjQuaaWs= =AB/q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig2B0BB6D385D47878EFC840D6-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 02:05:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 076D816A403 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 02:05:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5787043D45 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 02:05:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8E25du4038268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:05:39 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.3/8.12.11) id k8E25bqR014918; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:05:37 +0700 (ICT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:05:37 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200609140205.k8E25bqR014918@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: freebsd@orchid.homeunix.org In-reply-to: <4508B70E.60604@orchid.homeunix.org> (message from Karol Kwiatkowski on Thu, 14 Sep 2006 03:57:34 +0200) References: <200609120901.k8C91gXr004122@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200609140121.k8E1LwSh008156@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <4508B70E.60604@orchid.homeunix.org> X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Slow install of Ruby 18 from ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 02:05:42 -0000 > I don't know why. I'm running DNS server on old Celeron 400Mhz with > 96MB RAM just fine. Why do you think you need Xeon dual core for that? Of course I don't, and won't. I was just replying to the guy that told me that I am using archaic hardware and that it makes building ruby slow. I do use a number of PIII servers (more than Xeon) and am very happy with them. Bests, Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 02:53:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 345DB16A412 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 02:53:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from snagit@cbpratt.prohosting.com) Received: from n016.sc0.cp.net (smtpout1094.sc0.he.tucows.com [64.97.144.94]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED43143D4C for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 02:53:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from snagit@cbpratt.prohosting.com) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (67.47.213.85) by n016.sc0.cp.net (7.2.069.1) (authenticated as eagletree@hughes.net) id 4508ADE200005121 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 02:53:03 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: freeBSD From: Chris Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:52:53 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Subject: Under Attack: Bandwidth throttling on 5.2.1? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 02:53:05 -0000 This is probably going to tax the memory. I'm sorry in advance. We observed 2 hangs and 3 crashes in the last 5 hours and finally after looking at the nature of the traffic, it appears to be little infested windows spybots from all over targeting our forums to attempt to reply to all messages with gambling and other spam. The referer in every case is a few obvious spam sites. We measured 33 pages per second and all invoking perl (well you can image the load). It's killed the system in several was I've never even seen. We shutdown on purpose for the first time in years which is pretty bad for business. I'm readying the quad opteron tyan to take down and shove in it's place since the T1 can't swamp it, but still building. The machine is a dual 3.0 xeon with 4G and Intel 1000/Pro on 5.2.1 with IPFW enabled. If I can configure throttling on this old a system, we could come back up I think and try ride out the attack. I've never done this before but in an earlier thread I saw where you configure a pipe such as: ipfw pipe 1 config bw 256Kbit/s ipfw add pipe 1 tcp from 192.168.1.2 80 then set sysctl.conf net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass=1 Is that is all that's necessary for this old a system or is there anything else. If this is correct, would this keep this fellow from crashing. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 03:03:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4426F16A407 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 03:03:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bidjan@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8275D43D58 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 03:03:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bidjan@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n29so1989917nfc for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:03:20 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QCYC6mPlUqGNKPEfRyEYUxbLAIKTq5OohRG8blu10QWry2ygUEkTCoPI6GBptOMm41Ikb2fQOejuwi/IB4ngxH//tvaahNnr5QhvAUYfALj1e3a2jIkDoc3dQZexNyV+0QHOoi2tMFdxzaj8SMuTZceIm95Yq6+gJ130nyCYKH4= Received: by 10.49.93.13 with SMTP id v13mr11616291nfl; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:03:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.67.9 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:03:19 -0400 From: "Pablo Mora" To: "Joel Adamson" In-Reply-To: <20060914001910.87162.qmail@web50415.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200609131921.21645.kruptos@mlinux.org> <20060914001910.87162.qmail@web50415.mail.yahoo.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie Experience -- Linux/BSD Differences X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 03:03:22 -0000 On 9/13/06, Joel Adamson wrote: > If I may comment as someone who knows only that BSD looks better to a new= bie, it looks better because I only have to go to one place to read the Fre= eBSD manual. For Linux, there's documentation for all the little parts, an= d a community/wiki for any particular distribution, except that's a lot dif= ferent from having a single document that covers almost everything. > > And for everything else, there's this list, which has a minimum of *attit= ude*, which is a contrast to many linux boards I've read. > > Joel > > On Tuesday 12 September 2006 06:16, Jeff Rollin wrote: > > I let a lot of BSD comments about Linux go "unpunished", but this > > Si, y adem=E1s no nos molestamos cuando escribimos en otro idioma xD. --=20 Linux is for people who hate Micro$oft. BSD is for people who love Unix ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 03:12:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C898716A412 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 03:12:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9D0843D45 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 03:12:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.pc (host5.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.229]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-2) with ESMTP id k8E3BAIP018447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:11:12 +0300 Received: from gothmog.pc (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.pc (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k8E3BU4K074644; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:11:31 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.pc (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id k8E3BUv3074643; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:11:30 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:11:30 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Kevin Kinsey Message-ID: <20060914031130.GB74348@gothmog.pc> References: <45082E5C.5040503@daleco.biz> <20060913163722.GA62734@gothmog.pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060913163722.GA62734@gothmog.pc> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.014, required 5, AWL -1.97, BAYES_00 -2.60, BIZ_TLD 2.01, SPOOF_NET2COM 1.54, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY 0.00) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sendmail and hosts_access(5) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 03:12:39 -0000 On 2006-09-13 19:37, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2006-09-13 11:14, Kevin Kinsey wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > I am attempting to block an SMTP server with /etc/hosts.allow: > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Received: from 241net251.net.zeork.com.pl (241net251.net.zeork.com.pl > > [194.117.241.251] (may be forged)) > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > [506] Tue 12.Sep.2006 20:55:44 > > [kadmin@archangel][~] > > #ssh kadmin@elisha grep zeork /home/kadmin/spammers > > .net.zeork.com.pl > > > > [507] Tue 12.Sep.2006 20:56:55 > > [kadmin@archangel][~] > > #ssh kadmin@elisha grep /home/kadmin/spammers /etc/hosts.allow > > sendmail : /home/kadmin/spammers : deny > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > hosts_access(5) says this: > > The access control language implements the following patterns: > > * A string that begins with a `.' character. A host > > name is matched if the last components of its name match the > > specified pattern. For example, the pattern `.tue.nl' matches > > the host name `wzv.win.tue.nl' > > > > So, why does my server continue accepting SMTP connections from > > "241net251.net.zeork.com.pl" ? > > > > Thoughts, pointers, gentle kicks on the bum welcomed. > > I don't think you can have the hostnames in a separate "map file" and > then reference this file from /etc/hosts.allow. ... and I'm wrong of course. Alex Zbyslaw pointed out that I had missed the part of the manpage which refers to this: o A string that begins with a `/' character is treated as a file name. A host name or address is matched if it matches any host name or address pattern listed in the named file. The file for- mat is zero or more lines with zero or more host name or address patterns separated by whitespace. A file name pattern can be used anywhere a host name or address pattern can be used. Sorry for the confusion :-/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 03:37:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8909E16A403 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 03:37:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from mail.stovebolt.com (mail.stovebolt.com [66.221.101.248]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CAC443D45 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 03:37:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from [192.168.2.102] (adsl-65-69-142-98.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net [65.69.142.98]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.stovebolt.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A5A4114314 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:30:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:37:27 -0500 From: pauls@utdallas.edu To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1f060c4c0609131705l4f28eec1xa6d267b7c844f264@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f060c4c0609131705l4f28eec1xa6d267b7c844f264@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.5 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; boundary="==========7CB24BD599E99CDFD551==========" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: apache 1.x and 2.x on same server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 03:37:31 -0000 --==========7CB24BD599E99CDFD551========== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline --On September 13, 2006 5:05:17 PM -0700 snacktime =20 wrote: > Are there any options I can use when installing apache 2.x from the > ports tree so it won't overwrite apache 1.x? > Sure. Just like any other port. Just choose the location you want to=20 install the port to. apache13 make install PREFIX=3D/usr/local/www1/ apache2 make install PREFIX=3D/usr/local/www2/ Apache13 installs its conf files in /usr/local/etc/apache, and apache2=20 installs its conf files in /usr/local/etc/apache2. The only problem you=20 might have is the startup scripts. I don't recall how they're named, off=20 the top of my head. Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ --==========7CB24BD599E99CDFD551==========-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 03:41:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DA1016A403 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 03:41:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7371043D49 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 03:41:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.pc (host5.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.229]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-2) with ESMTP id k8E3eDUl020247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:40:14 +0300 Received: from gothmog.pc (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.pc (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k8E3eXfI075218; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:40:34 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.pc (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id k8E3eMhj075158; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:40:22 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:40:22 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <20060914034022.GD74348@gothmog.pc> References: <45082E5C.5040503@daleco.biz> <20060913163722.GA62734@gothmog.pc> <45083857.40405@infracaninophile.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <45083857.40405@infracaninophile.co.uk> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.785, required 5, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.19, BAYES_00 -2.60, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY 0.00) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sendmail and hosts_access(5) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 03:41:35 -0000 On 2006-09-13 17:56, Matthew Seaman wrote: > hosts.allow triggers special behaviour with sendmail. Unlike other > services which just close the connection immediately, with sendmail > what happens is that it will accept the connection, let the sender > attempt to send e-mail, but then respond with a 500 'permanent > failure' code. > > The reason for that is fairly simple: if a MTA gets no answer when > trying to connect to a server and deliver e-mail, then the standards > say it should requeue the message and try again for up to 5 days. The > only way to get the sending MTA to give up immediately is to issue a > SMTP 500 error code. Ah! I see now. Thanks for taking the time to write this cool, detailed explanation. Now I know one more thing about Sendmail :-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 04:48:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C4DF16A407 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 04:48:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hakmi@rogers.com) Received: from smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1039743D45 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 04:48:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hakmi@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 88357 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2006 04:48:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index; b=wM48Kx76+Xj9R2JtgT2bdiACkbuZwpwa00cGR4EJAKeX5Bcxv9z2V9TF4DOFYMPA7u4EKypEqwz+d9+J1ifAm8ux0Xj1niDnLSqpOjYZzY2xHTzFT3Nd9BTMQ4tlIMqyV7SHd+gisfcCRyMnLnsw/Cq5/2LZr7lqJsGLbOL5Kyk= ; Received: from unknown (HELO tamouh) (hakmi@rogers.com@70.27.160.99 with login) by smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2006 04:48:21 -0000 From: "Tamouh H." To: "'Giorgos Keramidas'" Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:48:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <20060810055227.GA7051@gothmog.pc> Thread-Index: Aca8QUteLI2+R8lNT2qGnWr2Qdvh5AbdwUtw Message-Id: <20060914044821.1039743D45@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Cc: questions@freebsd.org, 'Ian Smith' Subject: RE: Top not showing cpu usage even remotely accurately X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 04:48:22 -0000 >=20 > In recent 6.X versions, you can use 'S' to show system threads too. > For an even more fine-grained view, you can use 'H' to show=20 > each thread separately. >=20 > Then there is also the 'CPU' mode (as opposed to the default 'WCPU' > mode of top). >=20 > > I've the same issue with FBSD 5.4 and TOP. In fact, the=20 > load averages=20 > > are so irrelevant now that I barely pay attention to them.=20 > The server=20 > > goes to 4 or 6 load averages without slowing down, and=20 > other times the=20 > > load average would be 0.8 and the server is running slow. >=20 > Probably because the work it does at the moment is not CPU-bounded? >=20 > > An example of unmatching TOP: > >=20 > > last pid: 17889; load averages: 0.60, 0.52, 0.50 =20 > up 3+17:22:33 00:41:45 > > 186 processes: 2 running, 183 sleeping, 1 lock CPU states:=20 > 30.0% user, =20 > > 0.0% nice, 1.7% system, 0.1% interrupt, 68.3% idle > > Mem: 1678M Active, 1110M Inact, 287M Wired, 87M Cache, 112M=20 > Buf, 103M=20 > > Free > > Swap: 8762M Total, 1584K Used, 8760M Free > >=20 > > PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME =20 > WCPU CPU COMMAND > > 5071 nobody 101 0 43124K 35180K CPU2 2 0:07=20 > 14.89% 14.89% httpd > > 14409 nobody 4 0 43940K 36076K sbwait 0 0:01 =20 > 1.22% 1.22% httpd > > 95515 nobody 4 0 39892K 32188K sbwait 1 0:08 =20 > 0.29% 0.29% httpd >=20 > Try hitting 'S'. Perhaps the system spends too much time in=20 > system threads (i.e. the "syncer") :) >=20 I think TOP and load averages are no longer accurate on FBSD 5.x and 6.x = with SMP kernel. As far as I've seen. Load averages hit sometimes 8.0 = without a noticable degradation in performance. This is one TOP that freaked me out, notice Idle CPU is 70% while the = process is showing it is using 99% of CPU. systat draws more accurate = picture, however, load average is still useless as far as performance = monitoring : last pid: 10174; load averages: 1.63, 1.44, 1.20 = up 4+00:25:19 00:39:20 169 processes: 2 running, 166 sleeping, 1 zombie CPU states: 25.8% user, 0.0% nice, 0.7% system, 0.1% interrupt, 73.4% = idle Mem: 1316M Active, 1445M Inact, 297M Wired, 127M Cache, 112M Buf, 79M = Free Swap: 8762M Total, 2096K Used, 8760M Free PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU CPU = COMMAND 13362 root 111 0 36444K 34196K CPU3 3 50:06 98.88% 98.88% = perl5.8.7 90391 root 96 0 27356K 26236K select 2 0:06 0.54% 0.54% = perl5.8.7 79619 nobody 4 0 209M 84640K sbwait 1 0:09 0.39% 0.39% = httpd 10161 root 97 0 6712K 4752K select 2 0:00 1.40% 0.20% = exim-4.62-0 79649 nobody 20 0 210M 84464K lockf 0 0:06 0.15% 0.15% = httpd 10158 mailnull 4 0 6760K 3992K sbwait 2 0:00 0.81% 0.15% = exim-4.62-0 79654 nobody 4 0 208M 68660K sbwait 0 0:08 0.05% 0.05% = httpd 79660 nobody 4 0 208M 58144K sbwait 0 0:06 0.05% 0.05% = httpd 10170 sshd 117 0 4768K 2052K select 0 0:00 1.00% 0.05% sshd 1123 mysql 96 0 346M 214M select 2 114:48 0.00% 0.00% = mysqld 1123 mysql 20 0 346M 214M kserel 3 114:48 0.00% 0.00% = mysqld 1123 mysql 20 0 346M 214M kserel 3 114:48 0.00% 0.00% = mysqld 1123 mysql 20 0 346M 214M kserel 2 114:48 0.00% 0.00% = mysqld 1123 mysql 20 0 346M 214M kserel 0 114:48 0.00% 0.00% = mysqld 1123 mysql 20 0 346M 214M kserel 2 114:48 0.00% 0.00% = mysqld 1123 mysql 20 0 346M 214M kserel 1 114:48 0.00% 0.00% = mysqld 1123 mysql 20 0 346M 214M kserel 0 114:48 0.00% 0.00% = mysqld 1123 mysql 20 0 346M 214M kserel 0 114:48 0.00% 0.00% = mysqld 1123 mysql 20 0 346M 214M kserel 3 114:48 0.00% 0.00% = mysqld 1123 mysql 20 0 346M 214M kserel 3 114:48 0.00% 0.00% = mysqld 1123 mysql 20 0 346M 214M kserel 0 114:48 0.00% 0.00% = mysqld 1123 mysql 20 0 346M 214M kserel 1 114:48 0.00% 0.00% = mysqld 1123 mysql 20 0 346M 214M kserel 2 114:48 0.00% 0.00% = mysqld 1123 mysql 20 0 346M 214M kserel 1 114:48 0.00% 0.00% = mysqld 1123 mysql 20 0 346M 214M kserel 1 114:48 0.00% 0.00% = mysqld 1123 mysql 20 0 346M 214M kserel 0 114:48 0.00% 0.00% = mysqld 1123 mysql 20 0 346M 214M kserel 0 114:48 0.00% 0.00% = mysqld 1123 mysql 20 0 346M 214M kserel 2 114:48 0.00% 0.00% = mysqld 1123 mysql 20 0 346M 214M kserel 1 114:48 0.00% 0.00% = mysqld 1123 mysql 20 0 346M 214M kserel 0 114:48 0.00% 0.00% = mysqld 1123 mysql 20 0 346M 214M kserel 2 114:48 0.00% 0.00% = mysqld 1123 mysql 20 0 346M 214M kserel 0 114:48 0.00% 0.00% = mysqld 1123 mysql 20 0 346M 214M kserel 1 114:48 0.00% 0.00% = mysqld 1123 mysql 20 0 346M 214M kserel 0 114:48 0.00% 0.00% = mysqld 1123 mysql 20 0 346M 214M kserel 1 114:48 0.00% 0.00% = mysqld From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 05:20:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6440916A49E for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 05:20:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 449FC43D7B for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 05:20:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.pc (host5.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.229]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-2) with ESMTP id k8E5KLfI024965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:20:26 +0300 Received: from gothmog.pc (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.pc (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k8E5KgR8077033; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:20:42 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.pc (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id k8E5KfLG077032; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:20:41 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:20:41 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Alex Zbyslaw Message-ID: <20060914052041.GB76681@gothmog.pc> References: <3ee9ca710609130925i415eca35v483f6ee5421e1125@mail.gmail.com> <45083690.80904@dial.pipex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <45083690.80904@dial.pipex.com> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.783, required 5, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.18, BAYES_00 -2.60, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY 0.00) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Andy Greenwood , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CLI text editor recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 05:20:44 -0000 On 2006-09-13 17:49, Alex Zbyslaw wrote: >Andy Greenwood wrote: >> I need a CLI text editor I can use over ssh, which does NOT append >> newlines to the end of files as I save them. I am using this to edit >> PHP files, and my PHP doesn't like newlines outside the last ?>. ee >> and vi both do so, I tried nano which also does the same. I haven't >> installed emacs to try that yet, since the man page says that it also >> does the same thing. Does anyone have any ideas? > > Emacs most certainly can save files without newlines. I don't see any > option in my .emacs to force this behaviour so assume it works out of > the box, nor can I find any reference in the man page which says it > does add newlines. FWIW, try looking at the documentation of `require-final-newline': C-h v require-final-newline RET From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 05:33:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FFE16A500 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 05:33:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arindam.mukerjee@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A49043D49 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 05:33:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from arindam.mukerjee@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so3183316pye for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:33:22 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=SYnbI++3T+Nq1kRDuaTwXVWHLhiVAjoWAKX7UCRn401MQr9Ubb7RipANSiMIU/JV7pDCZxLtVqE+J/42/DoP2yDsZiSOVZfaQ+VZMFiyfr82IW+n7d8MVDOLy2PosNff49ns61r4fBr7x23JWolQ1q6/4haPYnkAZthcbOA6l3I= Received: by 10.35.123.2 with SMTP id a2mr14354912pyn; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.13.20 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:00:57 +0530 From: Arindam To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: X Window: Mouse Freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 05:33:23 -0000 Hello everyone. After a bit of a wrestle, I installed my first FreeBSD 6.1 server on a PIII 733MHz with 512 Megs of RAM on a 6.5 Gig slice (a:/, b:swap, d:/var, e:/tmp, f:/usr). I got X Windows working after a little bit more struggle - I now have Afterstep, WindowMaker and fvwm working for me. The single biggest problem I have faced with this installation is configuring my mouse. I have an old 3-button Logitech serial mouse. It is not hard to replace it with a new PS/2 or USB roller mouse. But if I had to do that, I won't be here and I would not care about FreeBSD. On 5.4, I remember the serial port to which my mouse was connected was called /dev/cuaa0. Now it is /dev/cuad0. I find this a little odd. In any case, when I start my X Window session, for a while my mouse is responsive and moving around perfectly. After a few inches of moving here and there, it stops responding and that's it. I have tried doing a: cat /dev/cuad0 from the console and moved the mouse - it spews gibberish which is fine. But it does not budge a bit on my X Window session. I have to stop and restart and everytime it's the same story, except that it moves briefly before freezing. Some points: 1. I can oftentimes see the mouse pointer on the text consoles just after booting, but it does not move. 2. My moused runs with: moused -t microsoft -p /dev/cuad0 I enabled ChordMiddle at the time of xorgconfig so that's enabled in /etc/X11/xorg.config. Cheers, Andy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 05:42:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E486616A403 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 05:42:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A49843D49 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 05:42:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) id k8E5g4PZ023888; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:42:04 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:42:04 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: "Tamouh H." Message-ID: <20060914054204.GA91336@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20060810055227.GA7051@gothmog.pc> <20060914044821.1039743D45@mx1.FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060914044821.1039743D45@mx1.FreeBSD.org> X-OS: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: 'Giorgos Keramidas' , questions@freebsd.org, 'Ian Smith' Subject: Re: Top not showing cpu usage even remotely accurately X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 05:42:17 -0000 In the last episode (Sep 14), Tamouh H. said: > This is one TOP that freaked me out, notice Idle CPU is 70% while the > process is showing it is using 99% of CPU. systat draws more accurate > picture, however, load average is still useless as far as performance > monitoring : > > last pid: 10174; load averages: 1.63, 1.44, 1.20 up 4+00:25:19 00:39:20 > 169 processes: 2 running, 166 sleeping, 1 zombie > CPU states: 25.8% user, 0.0% nice, 0.7% system, 0.1% interrupt, 73.4% idle > Mem: 1316M Active, 1445M Inact, 297M Wired, 127M Cache, 112M Buf, 79M Free > Swap: 8762M Total, 2096K Used, 8760M Free > > PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND > 13362 root 111 0 36444K 34196K CPU3 3 50:06 98.88% 98.88% perl5.8.7 > 90391 root 96 0 27356K 26236K select 2 0:06 0.54% 0.54% perl5.8.7 > 79619 nobody 4 0 209M 84640K sbwait 1 0:09 0.39% 0.39% httpd > 10161 root 97 0 6712K 4752K select 2 0:00 1.40% 0.20% exim-4.62-0 > 79649 nobody 20 0 210M 84464K lockf 0 0:06 0.15% 0.15% httpd You have a 4-cpu box and pid 13362 is using 99% of one CPU. The other 3 are idle, so your %idle is going to be around 75%. Looks pretty accurate to me :) -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 05:44:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DECD16A407 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 05:44:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from mxout7.cac.washington.edu (mxout7.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.178]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A52C43D66 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 05:44:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.32.139]) by mxout7.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.03) with ESMTP id k8E5i8r4012069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:44:08 -0700 X-Auth-Received: from [192.168.11.5] (206.83.147.124.dy.bbexcite.jp [124.147.83.206]) (authenticated authid=youshi10) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.03) with ESMTP id k8E5i6Qb022089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:44:08 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <45080374.2050408@gmx.net> References: <45080374.2050408@gmx.net> X-Gpgmail-State: !signed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <34BB5C2D-ABCC-4412-83BC-B819313F89F3@u.washington.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Garrett Cooper Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:44:05 +0900 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.266434, Antispam-Engine: 2.4.0.264935, Antispam-Data: 2006.9.13.222442 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' Subject: Re: Thank You and Mc OS games X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 05:44:23 -0000 On Sep 13, 2006, at 10:11 PM, felix.schalck wrote: > Hello in there, > > I'm kind of complicated person, so finding o good OS was really a > pity for me. I googled around a lot, installed a lot and often get > disappointed... until I discovered FreeBSD. Folks, this OS ist > simply great because it is CLEAR. Clear Structure, clear Doc, clear > Policy. But all the guys on this mailing list probably already know > this... Now, i have one simple question related to this: where and > whom can I tell THANK YOU ? GOOD WORK ? For providing such a great OS. > > Secondly: beeing miself an ex-gamer, I'm wondering if it is > possible to run Mac OS games under FreeBSD. I found no solution on > google, so probably there is some reason which cause it NOT > working. Could someone just explain me what it this reason ? > > Thanks a lot, > > Felix Unfortunately this isn't really possible as a lot of games (I'm almost positive) have been ported to Cocoa, which is a proprietary UI only in use with Mac OSX. -Garrett From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 05:45:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1917516A407 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 05:45:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from mxout5.cac.washington.edu (mxout5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6174C43D53 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 05:45:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.33.9]) by mxout5.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.03) with ESMTP id k8E5jHXd000517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:45:17 -0700 X-Auth-Received: from [192.168.11.5] (206.83.147.124.dy.bbexcite.jp [124.147.83.206]) (authenticated authid=youshi10) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.03) with ESMTP id k8E5jFO3024775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:45:17 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <609F7A2A-2DD9-4816-AA2B-DC3EBA816FCB@hackmiester.com> References: <45080374.2050408@gmx.net> <609F7A2A-2DD9-4816-AA2B-DC3EBA816FCB@hackmiester.com> X-Gpgmail-State: !signed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <76479B17-6F93-42A1-8118-87BBD2BD18AE@u.washington.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Garrett Cooper Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:45:14 +0900 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.266434, Antispam-Engine: 2.4.0.264935, Antispam-Data: 2006.9.13.222442 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__C230066_P5 0, __CP_NAME_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' Subject: Re: Thank You and Mc OS games X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 05:45:36 -0000 On Sep 14, 2006, at 6:33 AM, hackmiester (Hunter Fuller) wrote: > > On 13 September 2006, at 15:25, Andrew Pantyukhin wrote: > >> >> On the other hand, you might have heard that Mac OS X is based on >> FreeBSD. > > Although it is based on BSD, I don't think it's FreeBSD it was > based on. I think it goes all the way back to 4.2BSD. Or something. > >> They removed all the clear things you were talking about, >> slipstreamed a clear-looking GUI and put a price tag on it. The >> result >> is a pretty good desktop OS (for a commercial one that is). You might >> want to try it out. >> >> Take care! > > -- > hackmiester (Hunter Fuller) > > yknow when you go to a party, and everyones hooked up > except one guy and one girl > and so they look at each other like.. do we have to? > intel & nvidia must be lookin at each other like that right > now > > > Phone > Voice: +1 251 589 6348 > Fax: Call the voice number and ask. > > Email > General chat: hackmiester@hackmiester.com > Large attachments: hackmiester@gmail.com > SPS-related stuff: hfuller@stpaulsmobile.net > > IM > AIM: hackmiester1337 > Skype: hackmiester31337 > YIM: hackm1ester > Gtalk: hackmiester > MSN: hackmiester@hackmiester.com > Xfire: hackmiester Please look at Chuck's earlier post for more information as to the fact that FreeBSD is used in the Mac OSX Darwin kernel. As for how it was used, IIRC from what I've read, the Darwin kernel is a hybrid kernel made from the FreeBSD kernel and the Mach kernel from Carnegie Mellon. The Mach portion of the Darwin kernel provides a lot of the hardware support, resource management, and tie-ins (it's a micro-kernel), while the FreeBSD derived portion provides a lot of the BSD'ness for policies and the like (i.e. sockets, networking, permissions, etc). I obtained my info from an OS book and Wikipedia, if anyone's interested. -Garrett From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 05:48:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A34E16A412 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 05:48:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30C8F43D80 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 05:47:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: from gothmog.pc (host5.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.229]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-2) with ESMTP id k8E5lbGT025762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:47:38 +0300 Received: from gothmog.pc (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.pc (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k8E5lw1k077634; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:47:58 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.pc (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id k8E5lwNM077633; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:47:58 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:47:58 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: "Tamouh H." Message-ID: <20060914054758.GA77575@gothmog.pc> References: <20060810055227.GA7051@gothmog.pc> <20060914044822.E7C1E5C17FD@poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060914044822.E7C1E5C17FD@poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.873, required 5, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.28, BAYES_00 -2.60, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY 0.00) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@freebsd.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org, 'Ian Smith' Subject: Re: Top not showing cpu usage even remotely accurately X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 05:48:02 -0000 --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On 2006-09-14 00:48, "Tamouh H." wrote: > I think TOP and load averages are no longer accurate on FBSD 5.x and > 6.x with SMP kernel. As far as I've seen. Load averages hit sometimes > 8.0 without a noticable degradation in performance. > > This is one TOP that freaked me out, notice Idle CPU is 70% while the > process is showing it is using 99% of CPU. systat draws more accurate > picture, however, load average is still useless as far as performance > monitoring : > > last pid: 10174; load averages: 1.63, 1.44, 1.20 up 4+00:25:19 00:39:20 > 169 processes: 2 running, 166 sleeping, 1 zombie > CPU states: 25.8% user, 0.0% nice, 0.7% system, 0.1% interrupt, 73.4% idle > Mem: 1316M Active, 1445M Inact, 297M Wired, 127M Cache, 112M Buf, 79M Free > Swap: 8762M Total, 2096K Used, 8760M Free > > PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND > 13362 root 111 0 36444K 34196K CPU3 3 50:06 98.88% 98.88% perl5.8.7 > 90391 root 96 0 27356K 26236K select 2 0:06 0.54% 0.54% perl5.8.7 > 79619 nobody 4 0 209M 84640K sbwait 1 0:09 0.39% 0.39% httpd > 10161 root 97 0 6712K 4752K select 2 0:00 1.40% 0.20% exim-4.62-0 > 79649 nobody 20 0 210M 84464K lockf 0 0:06 0.15% 0.15% httpd Apparently, you have a 4-CPU system :-) What you see displayed as "CPU" is for one of the processors, not for all of them. Load average is not an easy thing to update for an SMP system, I guess. There are two options: - Set load-average to >= 1.0 if at least one process wants to run on at least one processor - Calculate an aggregate load-average for all CPUs None of these is 100% correct, though. One of them is useful in some cases. The other in other cases :-( I don't remember off-hand how 5.X or 6.X calculate their load-average, but I'd be interested to know what you expected it to show, or what it shows on Linux systems. --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFCO0O1g+UGjGGA7YRAtL5AKCs/sd6V5aIv1g40VftExLyLPRhFgCeL2Lb 0Fd9D6ZVTzGN46/6n8mtpVE= =HwPU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 06:28:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D57216A4A7 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:28:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonathan@hst.org.za) Received: from sirian.hst.org.za (sirian.hst.org.za [209.203.2.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D57243D49 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:28:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jonathan@hst.org.za) Received: from localhost (localhost.hst.org.za [127.0.0.1]) by sirian.hst.org.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1231B31C5DE for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:27:35 +0200 (SAST) Received: from sirian.hst.org.za ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (sirian.hst.org.za [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02779-01 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:27:34 +0200 (SAST) Received: by sirian.hst.org.za (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D54C431C5C6; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:27:34 +0200 (SAST) Received: from sysadmin.int.dbn.hst.org.za (sysadmin.int.dbn.hst.org.za [10.1.1.20]) by sirian.hst.org.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A16131C529 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:27:34 +0200 (SAST) From: Jonathan McKeown Organization: Health Systems Trust To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:29:35 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <20060911211241.GA2211@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> <8a0028260609120316q7ab0d7bcydcaec44fea42e325@mail.gmail.com> <200609131921.21645.kruptos@mlinux.org> In-Reply-To: <200609131921.21645.kruptos@mlinux.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609140829.35834.jonathan@hst.org.za> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.61 (1.212.2.1-2003-12-09-exp) on sirian.hst.org.za X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=7.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.61 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hst.org.za Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:28:25 -0000 On Thursday 14 September 2006 01:21, Kevin Brunelle wrote: > As for the GNU tools, yes most sysadmins use some of them (although not > always).  I know that BSD tar handles gzip and bzip2 just fine ( -z and -j > respectively).  So I know I wouldn't download gtar just for that feature. In fact, as I discovered a few days ago (after all, how often does one read tar(1)'s manpage?), you only need to use -z and -j when creating a tar archive. bsdtar(1) recognises bzip2 and gzip compression on reading an archive and handles them automatically. Jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 06:37:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A391A16A403 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:37:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A27C43D49 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:37:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so3204510pye for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:37:31 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=ipa4vLAQtzyjsaDddjWgaANd1XUvZefY0noIbVyk8vrvPiV9ON2+vw/WrUNB2X8LoR8p/miZNOpxX13YGCDjtrZYjcMGWXgJyTKfuv98W63bweKWRpcStwTgeFstlGxm+3qcsnvmJFyzBtAvJU4+Z/MToXfL7imXt5zoPZO6jes= Received: by 10.35.109.2 with SMTP id l2mr14439625pym; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.105.10 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:37:31 +0400 From: "Andrew Pantyukhin" Sender: infofarmer@gmail.com To: "Olivier Nicole" In-Reply-To: <200609140205.k8E25bqR014918@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200609120901.k8C91gXr004122@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200609140121.k8E1LwSh008156@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <4508B70E.60604@orchid.homeunix.org> <200609140205.k8E25bqR014918@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9a22eacf7a2ed756 Cc: freebsd@orchid.homeunix.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Slow install of Ruby 18 from ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:37:32 -0000 On 9/14/06, Olivier Nicole wrote: > > I don't know why. I'm running DNS server on old Celeron 400Mhz with > > 96MB RAM just fine. Why do you think you need Xeon dual core for that? > > Of course I don't, and won't. > > I was just replying to the guy that told me that I am using archaic > hardware and that it makes building ruby slow. > > I do use a number of PIII servers (more than Xeon) and am very happy > with them. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to aggravate you in any way. PIII is not archaic, but it's certainly old. Nevertheless, we've got a number of PIII boxes in production, and even some older Cyrix ones in our lab - and are quite happy with them. Old hardware is just a half of the deadly recipe. The other half is old FreeBSD. Again, we've got one dual PIII box running FreeBSD 4.7 - under very heavy load with no issues. YMMV, but I would upgrade to 6.1 or 6.2 all the same. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 06:40:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58BB816A403 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:40:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (mail.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF6F43D5F for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:40:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.171.127.191] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1GNktm-000Nj0-HG for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:40:34 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200609140829.35834.jonathan@hst.org.za> References: <20060911211241.GA2211@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> <8a0028260609120316q7ab0d7bcydcaec44fea42e325@mail.gmail.com> <200609131921.21645.kruptos@mlinux.org> <200609140829.35834.jonathan@hst.org.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:40:34 -0600 To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.171.127.191 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on hobbiton.shire.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:40:35 -0000 On Sep 14, 2006, at 12:29 AM, Jonathan McKeown wrote: > On Thursday 14 September 2006 01:21, Kevin Brunelle wrote: >> As for the GNU tools, yes most sysadmins use some of them >> (although not >> always). I know that BSD tar handles gzip and bzip2 just fine ( - >> z and -j >> respectively). So I know I wouldn't download gtar just for that >> feature. > > In fact, as I discovered a few days ago (after all, how often does > one read > tar(1)'s manpage?), you only need to use -z and -j when creating a tar > archive. bsdtar(1) recognises bzip2 and gzip compression on reading an > archive and handles them automatically. old habits die hard :-0 Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 06:49:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1037C16A412 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:49:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonathan@hst.org.za) Received: from sirian.hst.org.za (sirian.hst.org.za [209.203.2.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B84A43D49 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:49:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jonathan@hst.org.za) Received: from localhost (localhost.hst.org.za [127.0.0.1]) by sirian.hst.org.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FBBB31D1D8 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:48:46 +0200 (SAST) Received: from sirian.hst.org.za ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (sirian.hst.org.za [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04579-04 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:48:46 +0200 (SAST) Received: by sirian.hst.org.za (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5188D31D1D6; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:48:46 +0200 (SAST) Received: from sysadmin.int.dbn.hst.org.za (sysadmin.int.dbn.hst.org.za [10.1.1.20]) by sirian.hst.org.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id A445131D1CB for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:48:45 +0200 (SAST) From: Jonathan McKeown Organization: Health Systems Trust To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:50:47 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <20060911211241.GA2211@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> <200609140829.35834.jonathan@hst.org.za> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609140850.47347.jonathan@hst.org.za> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.61 (1.212.2.1-2003-12-09-exp) on sirian.hst.org.za X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=7.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.61 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hst.org.za Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:49:19 -0000 On Thursday 14 September 2006 08:40, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: > On Sep 14, 2006, at 12:29 AM, Jonathan McKeown wrote: > > > > In fact, as I discovered a few days ago (after all, how often does > > one read tar(1)'s manpage?), you only need to use -z and -j when > > creating a tar archive. bsdtar(1) recognises bzip2 and gzip > > compression on reading an archive and handles them automatically. > > old habits die hard > > :-0 Exactly. I wondered, when I saw the entry in tar(1)'s manpage, how many other little tricks I don't know because I just do it the old way. If I ever get a supply of tuits (round ones are best, apparently), I might start re-reading the documentation for things I already know how to do, just to find out what I'm missing. Jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 06:54:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5B5516A407 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:54:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philippe.lang@attiksystem.ch) Received: from mail.attiksystem.ch (f29.attiksystem.ch [212.147.59.29]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED65543D5A for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:54:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from philippe.lang@attiksystem.ch) Received: from poweredge.attiksystem.ch (poweredge.attiksystem.ch [10.0.0.29]) by mail.attiksystem.ch (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8E6sWBq024798 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:54:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from philippe.lang@attiksystem.ch) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:54:32 +0200 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C6D7DB.6434A820"; micalg=SHA1; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Message-ID: <6C0CF58A187DA5479245E0830AF84F421D11B1@poweredge.attiksystem.ch> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Nanobsd and CF geometry Thread-Index: AcbXyL6TAH0w5rY2SSe7fZc4mzKPVQAAGuMA From: "Philippe Lang" To: "FreeBSD Questions Mailing List" X-Spam-Score: -1.44 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.49 on 10.0.0.111 Subject: Nanobsd and CF geometry X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:54:44 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C6D7DB.6434A820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I'm trying to flash Nanobsd on a Compact Flash which is not listed in /usr/src/tools/tools/nanobsd/FlashDevice.sub. Does anyone know how to calculate NANO_MEDIASIZE, NANO_HEADS and NANO_SECTS for a specific CF, in my case a Transcend 512 MB CF? I found a datasheet, but I'm not sure what do do with it: http://www.transcendusa.com/Support/DLCenter/Datasheet/TSXMCF80.pdf Thanks! --------------- Philippe Lang Attik System ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C6D7DB.6434A820 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIII/zCCAocw ggHwoAMCAQICEEdYYafa1wkm0CP4DOffAiswDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQAwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx JTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQ ZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA2MDYyMjE3MzE0NloXDTA3MDYyMjE3MzE0 NlowZzENMAsGA1UEBBMETGFuZzERMA8GA1UEKhMIUGhpbGlwcGUxFjAUBgNVBAMTDVBoaWxpcHBl IExhbmcxKzApBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWHHBoaWxpcHBlLmxhbmdAYXR0aWtzeXN0ZW0uY2gwgZ8wDQYJ KoZIhvcNAQEBBQADgY0AMIGJAoGBAOfvCPREDwfIbzsNRoyBDoSOWfI2NNWdRRMJXuj5ldF22gSQ 6MiXFUjt4HlRIwPb8x13hrv89GW/SmLjFThxf7NKZ8dPTZzp4ZlvrQBRAYhSuTQOJ8azyzruZu54 Ak7fa3pz26Q3B8kg4knZBz3O9Q4K1tK8AEdjNQpyDg/iDdzjAgMBAAGjOTA3MCcGA1UdEQQgMB6B HHBoaWxpcHBlLmxhbmdAYXR0aWtzeXN0ZW0uY2gwDAYDVR0TAQH/BAIwADANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQF AAOBgQAAzz+I6MrhWjbfWSgngW/DthHvXiTR6x0cCeb4T5mBb5dgueqgLnrh/2blsbCQuLWh0URe /1l/QQ2dY2elG3PEDPv9cCl/LcwsCsE1Nj3bGM4gdVx9crYvTw5dyyUuDq1KShV3uziE+o5Lyfx4 qWRYd6/yIBDVarohdpL8J0DJczCCAy0wggKWoAMCAQICAQAwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQAwgdExCzAJ BgNVBAYTAlpBMRUwEwYDVQQIEwxXZXN0ZXJuIENhcGUxEjAQBgNVBAcTCUNhcGUgVG93bjEaMBgG A1UEChMRVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcxKDAmBgNVBAsTH0NlcnRpZmljYXRpb24gU2VydmljZXMg RGl2aXNpb24xJDAiBgNVBAMTG1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBDQTErMCkGCSqGSIb3 DQEJARYccGVyc29uYWwtZnJlZW1haWxAdGhhd3RlLmNvbTAeFw05NjAxMDEwMDAwMDBaFw0yMDEy MzEyMzU5NTlaMIHRMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRIwEAYDVQQH EwlDYXBlIFRvd24xGjAYBgNVBAoTEVRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nMSgwJgYDVQQLEx9DZXJ0aWZp Y2F0aW9uIFNlcnZpY2VzIERpdmlzaW9uMSQwIgYDVQQDExtUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1h aWwgQ0ExKzApBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWHHBlcnNvbmFsLWZyZWVtYWlsQHRoYXd0ZS5jb20wgZ8wDQYJ KoZIhvcNAQEBBQADgY0AMIGJAoGBANRp19SwlGRbcelH2AxRtupykbCEXn0tDY97Et+FJXUodDpC LGMnn5V7S+9+GYcdhuqj3bnOlmQawhRuRKx85o/oTQ9xH0A4pgCjh3j2+ZSGXq3qwF5269kUo11u enwMpUtVfwYZKX+emibVars4JAhqmMex2qOYkf152+VaxBy5AgMBAAGjEzARMA8GA1UdEwEB/wQF MAMBAf8wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQADgYEAx+ySfk749ZalZ2IqpPBNEWDQb41gWGGsJrtSNVwIzzD7 qEqWih9iQiOMFw/0umScF6xHKd+dmF7SbGBxXKKs3Hnj524ARx+1DSjoAp3kmv0T9KbZfLH43F8j JgmRgHPQFBveQ6mDJfLmnC8Vyv6mq4oHdYsM3VGEa+T40c53ooEwggM/MIICqKADAgECAgENMA0G CSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAMIHRMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRIwEAYD VQQHEwlDYXBlIFRvd24xGjAYBgNVBAoTEVRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nMSgwJgYDVQQLEx9DZXJ0 aWZpY2F0aW9uIFNlcnZpY2VzIERpdmlzaW9uMSQwIgYDVQQDExtUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJl ZW1haWwgQ0ExKzApBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWHHBlcnNvbmFsLWZyZWVtYWlsQHRoYXd0ZS5jb20wHhcN MDMwNzE3MDAwMDAwWhcNMTMwNzE2MjM1OTU5WjBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhh d3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVt YWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0EwgZ8wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADgY0AMIGJAoGBAMSmPFVzVftOucqZWh5o wHUEcJ3f6f+jHuy9zfVb8hp2vX8MOmHyv1HOAdTlUAow1wJjWiyJFXCO3cnwK4Vaqj9xVsuvPAsH 5/EfkTYkKhPPK9Xzgnc9A74r/rsYPge/QIACZNenprufZdHFKlSFD0gEf6e20TxhBEAeZBlyYLf7 AgMBAAGjgZQwgZEwEgYDVR0TAQH/BAgwBgEB/wIBADBDBgNVHR8EPDA6MDigNqA0hjJodHRwOi8v Y3JsLnRoYXd0ZS5jb20vVGhhd3RlUGVyc29uYWxGcmVlbWFpbENBLmNybDALBgNVHQ8EBAMCAQYw KQYDVR0RBCIwIKQeMBwxGjAYBgNVBAMTEVByaXZhdGVMYWJlbDItMTM4MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUA A4GBAEiM0VCD6gsuzA2jZqxnD3+vrL7CF6FDlpSdf0whuPg2H6otnzYvwPQcUCCTcDz9reFhYsPZ Ohl+hLGZGwDFGguCdJ4lUJRix9sncVcljd2pnDmOjCBPZV+V2vf3h9bGCE6u9uo05RAaWzVNd+NW IXiC3CEZNd4ksdMdRv9dX2VPMYIC+DCCAvQCAQEwdjBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMc VGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZy ZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECEEdYYafa1wkm0CP4DOffAiswCQYFKw4DAhoFAKCCAdgwGAYJKoZI hvcNAQkDMQsGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAcBgkqhkiG9w0BCQUxDxcNMDYwOTE0MDY1NDMwWjAjBgkqhkiG 9w0BCQQxFgQUhmyjF1MDpK7UvclU7xITNQWYf9MwZwYJKoZIhvcNAQkPMVowWDAKBggqhkiG9w0D BzAOBggqhkiG9w0DAgICAIAwDQYIKoZIhvcNAwICAUAwBwYFKw4DAgcwDQYIKoZIhvcNAwICASgw BwYFKw4DAhowCgYIKoZIhvcNAgUwgYUGCSsGAQQBgjcQBDF4MHYwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAj BgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJz b25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBAhBHWGGn2tcJJtAj+Azn3wIrMIGHBgsqhkiG9w0BCRAC CzF4oHYwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0 ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBAhBHWGGn2tcJ JtAj+Azn3wIrMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUABIGAP4OxHXgB19OyFz2/JjCXJmdrLYXXTW7Ub3GMMYWl qTPB4eF9baYmg0E/UcefNz4sMktymePt0N3H089G1N8cQ073nE74x/VMfgAREZnO3k5bLSQuRuVz Wkkz8dV5aMbMZXyRkT+N/LIFo0O8QFE6ixgbUMYrw3aAL+RdnwZ8Or8AAAAAAAA= ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C6D7DB.6434A820-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 06:59:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4284C16A416 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:59:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philippe.lang@attiksystem.ch) Received: from mail.attiksystem.ch (f29.attiksystem.ch [212.147.59.29]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A0B43D72 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:59:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from philippe.lang@attiksystem.ch) Received: from poweredge.attiksystem.ch (poweredge.attiksystem.ch [10.0.0.29]) by mail.attiksystem.ch (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8E6xeUf024857; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:59:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from philippe.lang@attiksystem.ch) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:59:40 +0200 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004A_01C6D7DC.1BEB24D0"; micalg=SHA1; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Message-ID: <6C0CF58A187DA5479245E0830AF84F421D11B2@poweredge.attiksystem.ch> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: apache 1.x and 2.x on same server Thread-Index: AcbXkYcOBQvpnam6RmamAmzwYp9bFQAOWGDw From: "Philippe Lang" To: "snacktime" , X-Spam-Score: -1.44 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.49 on 10.0.0.111 Cc: Subject: RE: apache 1.x and 2.x on same server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:59:42 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C6D7DC.1BEB24D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org wrote: > Are there any options I can use when installing apache 2.x > from the ports tree so it won't overwrite apache 1.x? Hi, Yes, you have one option: use jails in your server. http://docs.freebsd.org/44doc/papers/jail/jail.html Cheers, --------------- Philippe Lang Attik System ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C6D7DC.1BEB24D0 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIII/zCCAocw ggHwoAMCAQICEEdYYafa1wkm0CP4DOffAiswDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQAwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx JTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQ ZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA2MDYyMjE3MzE0NloXDTA3MDYyMjE3MzE0 NlowZzENMAsGA1UEBBMETGFuZzERMA8GA1UEKhMIUGhpbGlwcGUxFjAUBgNVBAMTDVBoaWxpcHBl IExhbmcxKzApBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWHHBoaWxpcHBlLmxhbmdAYXR0aWtzeXN0ZW0uY2gwgZ8wDQYJ KoZIhvcNAQEBBQADgY0AMIGJAoGBAOfvCPREDwfIbzsNRoyBDoSOWfI2NNWdRRMJXuj5ldF22gSQ 6MiXFUjt4HlRIwPb8x13hrv89GW/SmLjFThxf7NKZ8dPTZzp4ZlvrQBRAYhSuTQOJ8azyzruZu54 Ak7fa3pz26Q3B8kg4knZBz3O9Q4K1tK8AEdjNQpyDg/iDdzjAgMBAAGjOTA3MCcGA1UdEQQgMB6B HHBoaWxpcHBlLmxhbmdAYXR0aWtzeXN0ZW0uY2gwDAYDVR0TAQH/BAIwADANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQF AAOBgQAAzz+I6MrhWjbfWSgngW/DthHvXiTR6x0cCeb4T5mBb5dgueqgLnrh/2blsbCQuLWh0URe /1l/QQ2dY2elG3PEDPv9cCl/LcwsCsE1Nj3bGM4gdVx9crYvTw5dyyUuDq1KShV3uziE+o5Lyfx4 qWRYd6/yIBDVarohdpL8J0DJczCCAy0wggKWoAMCAQICAQAwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQAwgdExCzAJ BgNVBAYTAlpBMRUwEwYDVQQIEwxXZXN0ZXJuIENhcGUxEjAQBgNVBAcTCUNhcGUgVG93bjEaMBgG A1UEChMRVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcxKDAmBgNVBAsTH0NlcnRpZmljYXRpb24gU2VydmljZXMg RGl2aXNpb24xJDAiBgNVBAMTG1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBDQTErMCkGCSqGSIb3 DQEJARYccGVyc29uYWwtZnJlZW1haWxAdGhhd3RlLmNvbTAeFw05NjAxMDEwMDAwMDBaFw0yMDEy MzEyMzU5NTlaMIHRMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRIwEAYDVQQH EwlDYXBlIFRvd24xGjAYBgNVBAoTEVRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nMSgwJgYDVQQLEx9DZXJ0aWZp Y2F0aW9uIFNlcnZpY2VzIERpdmlzaW9uMSQwIgYDVQQDExtUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1h aWwgQ0ExKzApBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWHHBlcnNvbmFsLWZyZWVtYWlsQHRoYXd0ZS5jb20wgZ8wDQYJ KoZIhvcNAQEBBQADgY0AMIGJAoGBANRp19SwlGRbcelH2AxRtupykbCEXn0tDY97Et+FJXUodDpC LGMnn5V7S+9+GYcdhuqj3bnOlmQawhRuRKx85o/oTQ9xH0A4pgCjh3j2+ZSGXq3qwF5269kUo11u enwMpUtVfwYZKX+emibVars4JAhqmMex2qOYkf152+VaxBy5AgMBAAGjEzARMA8GA1UdEwEB/wQF MAMBAf8wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQADgYEAx+ySfk749ZalZ2IqpPBNEWDQb41gWGGsJrtSNVwIzzD7 qEqWih9iQiOMFw/0umScF6xHKd+dmF7SbGBxXKKs3Hnj524ARx+1DSjoAp3kmv0T9KbZfLH43F8j JgmRgHPQFBveQ6mDJfLmnC8Vyv6mq4oHdYsM3VGEa+T40c53ooEwggM/MIICqKADAgECAgENMA0G CSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAMIHRMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRIwEAYD VQQHEwlDYXBlIFRvd24xGjAYBgNVBAoTEVRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nMSgwJgYDVQQLEx9DZXJ0 aWZpY2F0aW9uIFNlcnZpY2VzIERpdmlzaW9uMSQwIgYDVQQDExtUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJl ZW1haWwgQ0ExKzApBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWHHBlcnNvbmFsLWZyZWVtYWlsQHRoYXd0ZS5jb20wHhcN MDMwNzE3MDAwMDAwWhcNMTMwNzE2MjM1OTU5WjBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhh d3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVt YWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0EwgZ8wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADgY0AMIGJAoGBAMSmPFVzVftOucqZWh5o wHUEcJ3f6f+jHuy9zfVb8hp2vX8MOmHyv1HOAdTlUAow1wJjWiyJFXCO3cnwK4Vaqj9xVsuvPAsH 5/EfkTYkKhPPK9Xzgnc9A74r/rsYPge/QIACZNenprufZdHFKlSFD0gEf6e20TxhBEAeZBlyYLf7 AgMBAAGjgZQwgZEwEgYDVR0TAQH/BAgwBgEB/wIBADBDBgNVHR8EPDA6MDigNqA0hjJodHRwOi8v Y3JsLnRoYXd0ZS5jb20vVGhhd3RlUGVyc29uYWxGcmVlbWFpbENBLmNybDALBgNVHQ8EBAMCAQYw KQYDVR0RBCIwIKQeMBwxGjAYBgNVBAMTEVByaXZhdGVMYWJlbDItMTM4MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUA A4GBAEiM0VCD6gsuzA2jZqxnD3+vrL7CF6FDlpSdf0whuPg2H6otnzYvwPQcUCCTcDz9reFhYsPZ Ohl+hLGZGwDFGguCdJ4lUJRix9sncVcljd2pnDmOjCBPZV+V2vf3h9bGCE6u9uo05RAaWzVNd+NW IXiC3CEZNd4ksdMdRv9dX2VPMYIC+DCCAvQCAQEwdjBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMc VGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZy ZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECEEdYYafa1wkm0CP4DOffAiswCQYFKw4DAhoFAKCCAdgwGAYJKoZI hvcNAQkDMQsGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAcBgkqhkiG9w0BCQUxDxcNMDYwOTE0MDY1OTM4WjAjBgkqhkiG 9w0BCQQxFgQUr5uSMKL8C0CEnqKN1l6H2Mz73EswZwYJKoZIhvcNAQkPMVowWDAKBggqhkiG9w0D BzAOBggqhkiG9w0DAgICAIAwDQYIKoZIhvcNAwICAUAwBwYFKw4DAgcwDQYIKoZIhvcNAwICASgw BwYFKw4DAhowCgYIKoZIhvcNAgUwgYUGCSsGAQQBgjcQBDF4MHYwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAj BgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJz b25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBAhBHWGGn2tcJJtAj+Azn3wIrMIGHBgsqhkiG9w0BCRAC CzF4oHYwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0 ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBAhBHWGGn2tcJ JtAj+Azn3wIrMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUABIGAuNSzAUs4fwTbFIQ9bnMrYVfVPcH9t155/Ell0RyQ jFQb+gp85qDj5MFuosJCp5Bggx4DEHliPJf+DpAdTZbntx+KD8kg2o1jd8vI88++d7pa+zCWLRfq QjzVYBM4tA/kUlo0yTIN3QKc7wrgvyDdF6khywMKFQcaN7WZSVAWbdkAAAAAAAA= ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C6D7DC.1BEB24D0-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 07:32:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64EEF16A416 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:32:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.26.172.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8CB343D4C for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:32:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id k8E7VadB072917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:31:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id k8E7VZTI072916 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA28689; Thu, 14 Sep 06 00:27:11 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Sep 06 00:27:11 PDT From: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) Message-Id: <10609140727.AA28689@pluto.rain.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: mount_ext2fs returning ENODEV on 6.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:32:10 -0000 What am I doing wrong? # ll /dev/ad0s7 crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 93 Sep 4 02:30 /dev/ad0s7 # file -s /dev/ad0s7 /dev/ad0s7: Linux rev 1.0 ext2 filesystem data # grep -w ad0s7 /etc/fstab /dev/ad0s7 /linux ext2fs ro 0 0 # ll -d /linux drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 24 12:09 /linux # mount /linux mount_ext2fs: /dev/ad0s7: Operation not supported by device # uname -a FreeBSD fbsd61 6.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE #0: Sun May 7 04:32:43 UTC 2006 root at opus.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 07:47:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97EE116A407 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:47:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rj45@slacknet.com) Received: from slacknet.com (slacknet.com [166.70.153.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C70843D49 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:47:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rj45@slacknet.com) Received: from rj45 (helo=localhost) by slacknet.com with local-esmtp (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1GNlwW-0004Y2-SQ for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 01:47:28 -0600 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 01:47:28 -0600 (MDT) From: RJ45 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: rj45@slacknet.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on slacknet.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Subject: nocona CPU X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:47:29 -0000 Hello I wanted to buildworld and kernel on FReeBSD 6.1 since I have Xeon cpu, I Wanted to rebuild it with CPUTYPE=nocona when I put the oprion in /etc/make.conf upon compilation instead of -march=nocona is used -march=prescott I also fixed bsd.cpu.mk but it does not work, alwaus -march=prescott is used. How can I fix it ? for now I rebuilt the sources using no CPUTYPE options... Can anyway really have any kind of improvement using CPUTYPE=nocona for userland and kernel ? thanks Rick From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 08:09:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79DCB16A40F; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:09:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from gaia.nimnet.asn.au (nimbin.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.45.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5578143D55; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:08:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (smithi@localhost) by gaia.nimnet.asn.au (8.8.8/8.8.8R1.4) with SMTP id SAA16634; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:08:52 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:08:51 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Giorgos Keramidas In-Reply-To: <20060914054758.GA77575@gothmog.pc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: "Tamouh H." , questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Top not showing cpu usage even remotely accurately X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:09:00 -0000 On Thu, 14 Sep 2006, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2006-09-14 00:48, "Tamouh H." wrote: > > I think TOP and load averages are no longer accurate on FBSD 5.x and > > 6.x with SMP kernel. As far as I've seen. Load averages hit sometimes > > 8.0 without a noticable degradation in performance. I still can't fathom what top tells me on a UP 5.5-STABLE system (300MHz Celeron if speed's relevant). I initiated this thread (weeks ago :) re seeing 0.0% idle (as expected) during buildworld but not seeing anything add up to anything like 100%, including S)ystem processes, in top. Chuck Swiger pointed out that a buildworld runs lots of processes for far shorter times than top's sampling interval, which was true, as a browse with 'lastcomm -eE | less' through the buildworld time showed. However that doesn't explain this typical top view when the system is quiescent or nearly so, as it mostly is, with only 5-minutely crons and 11-minutely entropy runs and the odd sendmail to be seen in lastcomm: last pid: 18500; load averages: 0.01, 0.08, 0.06 up 5+08:40:33 17:30:30 136 processes: 3 running, 110 sleeping, 23 waiting CPU states: 5.7% user, 0.0% nice, 6.3% system, 0.0% interrupt, 88.0% idle Mem: 73M Active, 18M Inact, 46M Wired, 8108K Cache, 25M Buf, 2572K Free Swap: 384M Total, 106M Used, 278M Free, 27% Inuse PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND 11 root 171 52 0K 8K RUN 102.3H 86.82% 86.82% idle 743 smithi 96 0 26616K 2908K select 156:40 1.03% 1.03% kdeinit 708 smithi 96 0 34140K 15024K select 223:05 0.63% 0.63% Xorg 644 root 96 0 1244K 244K select 30:19 0.05% 0.05% moused 775 smithi 20 0 11524K 1028K kserel 319:17 0.00% 0.00% xmms 761 smithi 96 0 30824K 7272K select 97:50 0.00% 0.00% kdeinit 27 root 76 -43 0K 8K RUN 44:14 0.00% 0.00% swi5: clock s 772 smithi 96 0 29736K 5600K select 40:57 0.00% 0.00% kdeinit 777 smithi 8 0 2300K 448K nanslp 36:20 0.00% 0.00% asapm 778 smithi 8 0 2524K 460K nanslp 34:12 0.00% 0.00% ascpu 767 smithi 96 0 29448K 5612K select 29:23 0.00% 0.00% kdeinit 771 smithi 96 0 29884K 5504K select 22:28 0.00% 0.00% kdeinit 616 mysql 20 0 50824K 1428K kserel 21:04 0.00% 0.00% mysqld 759 smithi 96 0 29644K 5092K select 20:56 0.00% 0.00% kdeinit 773 smithi 96 0 35640K 4080K select 20:39 0.00% 0.00% kdeinit 766 smithi 96 0 29488K 4768K select 19:07 0.00% 0.00% kdeinit 764 smithi 96 0 28784K 3964K select 16:38 0.00% 0.00% kdeinit 774 smithi 96 0 33168K 3768K select 16:36 0.00% 0.00% kdeinit 757 smithi 96 0 27272K 5508K select 4:55 0.00% 0.00% kdeinit 23 root -60 -179 0K 8K WAIT 3:04 0.00% 0.00% irq12: psm0 22 root -80 -199 0K 8K WAIT 3:02 0.00% 0.00% irq11: cbb0 c 43 root 20 0 0K 8K syncer 3:00 0.00% 0.00% syncer 4 root -8 0 0K 8K - 2:58 0.00% 0.00% g_down 3 root -8 0 0K 8K - 2:30 0.00% 0.00% g_up 49 root 12 0 0K 8K - 2:09 0.00% 0.00% schedcpu 30 root -16 0 0K 8K - 1:53 0.00% 0.00% yarrow 39 root -16 0 0K 8K psleep 1:30 0.00% 0.00% pagedaemon 41 root 171 52 0K 8K pgzero 1:25 0.00% 0.00% pagezero [..] It never shows more than about 90% idle, whereas a 0.01 shorter term load average should indicate more like 99% idle, shouldn't it? 97-99%, sometimes 100% idle was what FreeBSD 4.5-R used to tell me with the same workload in around the same memory use, but maybe 4.5 was optimistic .. > > This is one TOP that freaked me out, notice Idle CPU is 70% while the > > process is showing it is using 99% of CPU. systat draws more accurate > > picture, however, load average is still useless as far as performance > > monitoring : > > > > last pid: 10174; load averages: 1.63, 1.44, 1.20 up 4+00:25:19 00:39:20 > > 169 processes: 2 running, 166 sleeping, 1 zombie > > CPU states: 25.8% user, 0.0% nice, 0.7% system, 0.1% interrupt, 73.4% idle > > Mem: 1316M Active, 1445M Inact, 297M Wired, 127M Cache, 112M Buf, 79M Free > > Swap: 8762M Total, 2096K Used, 8760M Free > > > > PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND > > 13362 root 111 0 36444K 34196K CPU3 3 50:06 98.88% 98.88% perl5.8.7 > > 90391 root 96 0 27356K 26236K select 2 0:06 0.54% 0.54% perl5.8.7 > > 79619 nobody 4 0 209M 84640K sbwait 1 0:09 0.39% 0.39% httpd > > 10161 root 97 0 6712K 4752K select 2 0:00 1.40% 0.20% exim-4.62-0 > > 79649 nobody 20 0 210M 84464K lockf 0 0:06 0.15% 0.15% httpd > > Apparently, you have a 4-CPU system :-) > > What you see displayed as "CPU" is for one of the processors, not for > all of them. Load average is not an easy thing to update for an SMP > system, I guess. There are two options: That idle looks right for one busy cpu of four, though what the other 0.63 load average consists of is less clear. In my recent top shot above, ordered by c)pu, I can't see more than 2 or 3% accounted for of the ~15% that is not idle, ie what processes are involved with the 5.7% user and 6.3% system usage? In FreeBSD 4, if (say) Mozilla went mad on some crappy javascript loop, top would show idle at 0.0% and the busy process at or nearer 100%, making it easy to spot and, if necessary, kill. Since running 5.4-R and now 5.5-STABLE, such 0.0% idle events can happen with top not showing the process involved looking busy at all - I'll capture this next time - and while it's usually obvious that (usually) Mozilla' the 'culprit' and killing it frees the system, I'm still bemused that top can't 'see' it. Re the 4-cpu box: > I don't remember off-hand how 5.X or 6.X calculate their load-average, > but I'd be interested to know what you expected it to show, or what it > shows on Linux systems. I've only a few years watching 4.5-R on this laptop for comparison :) but am installing 6.1 on a newer machine any day now, and will report. Cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 08:17:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F6DE16A403; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:17:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6449143D4C; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:17:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8E8H4JY052885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:17:04 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.3/8.12.11) id k8E8H1vK091852; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:17:01 +0700 (ICT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:17:01 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200609140817.k8E8H1vK091852@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: freebsd@hub.org In-reply-to: <20060908220122.E96260@ganymede.hub.org> (freebsd@hub.org) References: <20060908220122.E96260@ganymede.hub.org> X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:17:08 -0000 > Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to push > the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes reporting > from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then OpenBSD ... 6 days later: Thailand jumped from 12 machines to 110... ahead of France and Australia. Only thing that the figures say is that they are far from being accurate. And that people should be reminded to register from time to time. Bests, Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 08:24:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3889116A412 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:24:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rj45@slacknet.com) Received: from slacknet.com (slacknet.com [166.70.153.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BD343D45 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:24:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rj45@slacknet.com) Received: from rj45 (helo=localhost) by slacknet.com with local-esmtp (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1GNmWZ-0004xL-I9 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 02:24:43 -0600 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 02:24:43 -0600 (MDT) From: RJ45 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: rj45@slacknet.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on slacknet.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Subject: memory problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:24:44 -0000 Hello, I am running FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p6 build with buildworld. THe system has exactly 4GB of memory but the memory is not complitely seen by the system. At boot thime I Get this warning 524288Kb of memory above 4GB ignored and then if I check real memory = 3757965312 (3583 MB) avail memory = 3678597120 (3508 MB) I do not know why this happens. I Tryed to search on the archives, also other people has this problem but I could not find a valid solution at all. anyone ha sa suggestion for me ? I tried to tweak BIOS parameters unsucesfully... thanks a lot Rick From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 08:33:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48CD416A412 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:33:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from snacktime@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.235]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8595F43D4C for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:33:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from snacktime@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so2682669wxd for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 01:33:50 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XbOlVbPjXm2Rxq8utLKqCQBEujNo40gZpfMn6hMFXm+MV3hZvvb6U+4fKe1DizMQDgG0KrRAVZjQyHqMstuPqtr4gAbHpc8xAS2CpQslLTCEVpdaLZQc38z0+9n7X1UoNoRBorXaMy6C4EgYj5adwXF2L5mbk0yXAU3TzyDda/M= Received: by 10.90.73.3 with SMTP id v3mr3080069aga; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 01:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.91.14 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 01:33:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1f060c4c0609140133r630193c5ue1df817e28d6dcad@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 01:33:49 -0700 From: snacktime To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1f060c4c0609131705l4f28eec1xa6d267b7c844f264@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: apache 1.x and 2.x on same server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:33:51 -0000 On 9/13/06, pauls@utdallas.edu wrote: > --On September 13, 2006 5:05:17 PM -0700 snacktime > wrote: > > > Are there any options I can use when installing apache 2.x from the > > ports tree so it won't overwrite apache 1.x? > > > Sure. Just like any other port. Just choose the location you want to > install the port to. > > apache13 > make install PREFIX=/usr/local/www1/ > apache2 > make install PREFIX=/usr/local/www2/ I'd forgotten about that, thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 08:43:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA0B16A403; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:43:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from ns2.twenty4help.se (ns2.twenty4help.se [80.65.195.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACFA543D46; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:43:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (132.dairy.twenty4help.se [80.65.195.132]) by ns2.twenty4help.se (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8E8gLr4098739; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:42:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Message-ID: <45091621.9040200@401.cx> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:43:13 +0200 From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olivier Nicole References: <20060908220122.E96260@ganymede.hub.org> <200609140817.k8E8H1vK091852@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> In-Reply-To: <200609140817.k8E8H1vK091852@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd@hub.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:43:38 -0000 Olivier Nicole wrote: >> Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to push >> the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes reporting >> from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then OpenBSD ... > > 6 days later: Thailand jumped from 12 machines to 110... ahead of > France and Australia. This is a long shot, but couldn't it just be that a portal or usergroup of some kind started promoting bsdstats? Lets say a BSD usergroup in Thailand posted a notice on the first page about bsdstats. The usergroup has 200 visitors a day and half of them decides to follow the advice and install bsdstats. That would explain the sudden burst of 100 machines. Another plausible explanation is that an administrator of some network with 100 or so workstations or servers decided to push out bsdstats as a nightly upgrade or similar. It does not seem totally impossible to me, alltough I would not base any major decision on those figures without checking them first. -- R From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 08:55:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9178B16A407 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:55:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (ns0.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.187.76.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB7D43D46 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:55:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from [172.16.3.238] (gateway.ash.thebunker.net [213.129.64.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id k8E8tKs7022038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:55:26 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk from=m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk; sender-id=softfail; spf=softfail X-SenderID: Sendmail Sender-ID Filter v0.2.14 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk k8E8tKs7022038 Message-ID: <450918ED.6030206@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:55:09 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RJ45 References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-ripemd160; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig9DC83E041CB514700A69BA14" X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.187.76.162]); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:55:46 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.4/1879/Wed Sep 13 22:42:16 2006 on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_POLICY_TESTING,SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no version=3.1.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: memory problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:55:54 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig9DC83E041CB514700A69BA14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RJ45 wrote: > THe system has exactly 4GB of memory but the memory is not complitely > seen by the system. >=20 > At boot thime I Get this warning >=20 > 524288Kb of memory above 4GB ignored A normal 32bit OS can only address 4GB RAM -- but your system has various= L2 and other caches built into the CPUs, etc., which count towards the to= tal RAM count. So the excess is trimmed from the main memory. If you need to use more than 4GB RAM then either switch to a 64Bit OS, or= =20 investigate 'PAE'. You can run the 64bit version of FreeBSD on Intel Xeons (so long as they support EMT64) or the various AMD 64 bit processors. Xeons don't have as= complete 64-bitness as Opterons so performance may not be as good as runn= ing 32bit. Mind you that sort of thing depends heavily on the particular workload and you should benchmark against your expected workloads. PAE 'Page Alternate Extensions' is frankly a bit of a haque to allow acce= ss to more than 4GB RAM by giving each process it's own separate 4GB address sp= ace, rather than sharing the space between all processes. Any one process can= not grow beyond 4GB, but the total over all processes can be more than 4GB. = There is support in FreeBSD but with some severe limitations. Many drivers are= not compatible with a PAE system. > and then if I check >=20 > real memory =3D 3757965312 (3583 MB) > avail memory =3D 3678597120 (3508 MB) >=20 > I do not know why this happens. That number is the amount of memory less what is wired down for the kerne= l. If you're on a 'big' system -- with lots of RAM -- then the kernel itself= has to be larger because it needs to allocate memory to contain page mapp= ings etc. etc. Approximately 500MB consumed by the kernel is not unreasonable = for such a machine. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. Flat 3 7 Priory Courtyard PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW, UK --------------enig9DC83E041CB514700A69BA14 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFCRj18Mjk52CukIwRA9HIAJ9M6zEqeq+LVOYrfqrYlxqlORKSIwCeLCer 19apcqFREyruyTCqehcHXXc= =tLCp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig9DC83E041CB514700A69BA14-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 09:29:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F4716A407 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:29:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BEA443D49 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:29:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from falcon.midgard.homeip.net (83.253.29.241) by pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.2.075) id 450708BC0006B098 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:29:28 +0200 Received: (qmail 47776 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2006 11:29:28 +0200 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with SMTP; 14 Sep 2006 11:29:28 +0200 Received: (qmail 72984 invoked by uid 1001); 14 Sep 2006 11:29:28 +0200 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:29:28 +0200 From: Erik Trulsson To: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <20060914092928.GA72951@owl.midgard.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: Matthew Seaman , RJ45 , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <450918ED.6030206@infracaninophile.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <450918ED.6030206@infracaninophile.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: RJ45 , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: memory problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:29:29 -0000 On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 09:55:09AM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: > RJ45 wrote: > > > THe system has exactly 4GB of memory but the memory is not complitely > > seen by the system. > > > > At boot thime I Get this warning > > > > 524288Kb of memory above 4GB ignored > > A normal 32bit OS can only address 4GB RAM -- but your system has various > L2 and other caches built into the CPUs, etc., which count towards the total > RAM count. So the excess is trimmed from the main memory. Not quite true. The caches have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with this. It is various I/O devices (graphics card, ethernet controller, hard disk controller, other PCI-devices, etc.) that also need to be mapped into the 4GB address-space. Usually the top-most 512MB of this address space is reserved for the I/O-devices. If you have 4GB (or more) of memory then you can't fit all of it as well as the I/O devices into a 32-bit address space, so the memory above the 3.5GB limit is then either completely ignored or (as in this case) remapped to addresses above the 4GB limit. Unfortunately the OS (being only 32-bit aware) cannot access that remapped memory. > > If you need to use more than 4GB RAM then either switch to a 64Bit OS, or > investigate 'PAE'. > > You can run the 64bit version of FreeBSD on Intel Xeons (so long as they > support EMT64) or the various AMD 64 bit processors. Xeons don't have as > complete 64-bitness as Opterons so performance may not be as good as running > 32bit. Mind you that sort of thing depends heavily on the particular > workload and you should benchmark against your expected workloads. > > PAE 'Page Alternate Extensions' is frankly a bit of a haque to allow access to > more than 4GB RAM by giving each process it's own separate 4GB address space, > rather than sharing the space between all processes. Any one process cannot > grow beyond 4GB, but the total over all processes can be more than 4GB. There > is support in FreeBSD but with some severe limitations. Many drivers are not > compatible with a PAE system. > > > > and then if I check > > > > real memory = 3757965312 (3583 MB) > > avail memory = 3678597120 (3508 MB) > > > > I do not know why this happens. > > That number is the amount of memory less what is wired down for the kernel. > If you're on a 'big' system -- with lots of RAM -- then the kernel itself > has to be larger because it needs to allocate memory to contain page mappings > etc. etc. Approximately 500MB consumed by the kernel is not unreasonable for > such a machine. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 10:38:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 092FB16A403 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:38:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonathan@hst.org.za) Received: from sirian.hst.org.za (sirian.hst.org.za [209.203.2.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9506943D45 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:38:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jonathan@hst.org.za) Received: from localhost (localhost.hst.org.za [127.0.0.1]) by sirian.hst.org.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA63931D2A5 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:38:13 +0200 (SAST) Received: from sirian.hst.org.za ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (sirian.hst.org.za [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26035-02 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:38:13 +0200 (SAST) Received: by sirian.hst.org.za (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFEBF31D298; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:38:13 +0200 (SAST) Received: from sysadmin.int.dbn.hst.org.za (sysadmin.int.dbn.hst.org.za [10.1.1.20]) by sirian.hst.org.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0895A31D2B4 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:38:13 +0200 (SAST) From: Jonathan McKeown Organization: Health Systems Trust To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:40:13 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200609131459.05492.jonathan@hst.org.za> In-Reply-To: <200609131459.05492.jonathan@hst.org.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609141240.14031.jonathan@hst.org.za> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.61 (1.212.2.1-2003-12-09-exp) on sirian.hst.org.za X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=7.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.61 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hst.org.za Subject: Re: Using PC as serial terminal on running system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:38:56 -0000 On Wednesday 13 September 2006 14:59, Jonathan McKeown wrote: > I'm using my laptop and tip(1) as a serial terminal. This is working well > when a machine is booted with the laptop connected to its serial port. > However, I need to be able to connect the laptop to a machine which was > booted without a serial console. > > I've set the ttyd0 line in /etc/ttys and sigHUPed init. The machine is > still not recognising the presence of the ``serial terminal'' - the > getty(1) process on the server is not bound to a controlling terminal and > nothing is appearing in the tip(1) screen on the laptop. OK, creating a line in /etc/ttys for cuad0 seems to have worked. Will that cause problems later? I assume the problem is that the tip(1) process (or possibly the USB-serial adapter) is not DTRT with respect to carrier. Is there any other way round this? Jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 10:49:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94D0916A403 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:49:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arindam.mukerjee@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 254B243D49 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:49:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from arindam.mukerjee@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so3284269pye for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 03:49:11 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=I1wTHcgaIMWbNJte3tmWl5RB0t4X9BGLruNaI/CTiQubDpEgS41Lk8Ma8wxvtYCiACAkXUXSWVP1/ajUoEtS6jmuflUTz5w7Qsb1f8ztMGG2cEg23u33mLbrNMfTQYrl7a4pzXIwpDRy30guhmZmUxZQ2Uyeu+RgobBG6T8SJiI= Received: by 10.35.93.1 with SMTP id v1mr14786042pyl; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 03:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.13.20 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 03:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:19:11 +0530 From: Arindam To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Network connectivity between FreeBSD and Linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:49:12 -0000 I have FreeBSD 6.1 installed on one machine and Fedora Core 2 on another. I dual boot the FreeBSD 6.1 machine with a RedHat EL 4.3 installation. I have assigned the same static IP address and hostname to this machine for both the FreeBSD and RHEL installations. While my RHEL installation is running, I am able to communicate with the FC2 installation over the network. When FreeBSD is running, all pings from either side fail. I have no clue if I need to look at some special configuration, or is it a problem with the basics. Wond'ring what to do. Cheers, Andy -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 10:51:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB5F16A415 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:51:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@orchid.homeunix.org) Received: from orchid.homeunix.org (aum120.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl [83.27.20.120]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927DA43D73 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:51:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@orchid.homeunix.org) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (blackacidevil.orchid.homeunix.org [192.168.1.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by orchid.homeunix.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8EAovpK013933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:51:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@orchid.homeunix.org) Message-ID: <4509340A.4070406@orchid.homeunix.org> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:50:50 +0200 From: Karol Kwiatkowski User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060731) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olivier Nicole References: <200609120901.k8C91gXr004122@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200609140121.k8E1LwSh008156@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <4508B70E.60604@orchid.homeunix.org> <200609140205.k8E25bqR014918@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> In-Reply-To: <200609140205.k8E25bqR014918@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.0 OpenPGP: id=06E09309; url=http://www.orchid.homeunix.org/carlos/gpg/0x06E09309.asc Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig530C3D26E1F286D12126292C" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.4/1880/Thu Sep 14 10:34:24 2006 on orchid.homeunix.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Slow install of Ruby 18 from ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@orchid.homeunix.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:51:26 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig530C3D26E1F286D12126292C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 14/09/2006 04:05, Olivier Nicole wrote: >> I don't know why. I'm running DNS server on old Celeron 400Mhz with >> 96MB RAM just fine. Why do you think you need Xeon dual core for that?= >=20 > Of course I don't, and won't. >=20 > I was just replying to the guy that told me that I am using archaic > hardware and that it makes building ruby slow. >=20 > I do use a number of PIII servers (more than Xeon) and am very happy > with them. OK, I'm guilty of not reading the whole thread, I apologise. (note to self: don't reply while half asleep) Just out of curiosity I tried ruby port on two machines - fast one (1.6GHz Athlon with 1GB RAM) and small one (400MHz with 96MB RAM). Fast one has no problems with ruby, it builds and installs in few minutes. The slow one is another story, however. build time, no problem here: 460.448u 63.175s 9:52.80 88.3% 3844+2249k 911+151io 308pf+0w install time: 565.634u 72.527s 1:46:30.87 9.9% 11+-4438k 1711+40io 464794pf+4w At least that how it looked when I pressed ^C The machine was slow, swapping a lot (about 150MB of swap used), with CPU idling most of the time. I guess Ruby being scripted language doesn't help performance, either. Installing from a package takes about 3 minutes, however. I've never noticed problems with ruby because I build all needed packages on a fast machine (having a lot of memory helps), then install them on the small ones. To sum up, try using a package instead[1]. HTH, Karol [1] There's another option - make the port not to generate documentation but that would mean hacking it, I don't see any knobs to do that. --=20 Karol Kwiatkowski OpenPGP: http://www.orchid.homeunix.org/carlos/gpg/0x06E09309.asc --------------enig530C3D26E1F286D12126292C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFCTQRezeoPAwGIYsRCMjUAJ0THJffHwqE7hVjeh0NggDTkS96iwCfd4e4 rdMI5gYQIp/w8QJxQmVGr18= =OPaM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig530C3D26E1F286D12126292C-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 10:57:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4178816A40F for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:57:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from mxout2.cac.washington.edu (mxout2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC61B43D46 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:57:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.33.9]) by mxout2.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.03) with ESMTP id k8EAvSos030333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 03:57:28 -0700 X-Auth-Received: from [192.168.11.5] (206.83.147.124.dy.bbexcite.jp [124.147.83.206]) (authenticated authid=youshi10) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.03) with ESMTP id k8EAvQq1002518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 03:57:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: X-Gpgmail-State: !signed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3748E46A-16BD-4AD9-8EC3-84B10538F2BB@u.washington.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Garrett Cooper Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:57:25 +0900 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.266434, Antispam-Engine: 2.4.0.264935, Antispam-Data: 2006.9.14.33942 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' Subject: Re: Network connectivity between FreeBSD and Linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:57:29 -0000 On Sep 14, 2006, at 7:49 PM, Arindam wrote: > I have FreeBSD 6.1 installed on one machine and Fedora Core 2 on > another. I dual boot the FreeBSD 6.1 machine with a RedHat EL 4.3 > installation. I have assigned the same static IP address and hostname > to this machine for both the FreeBSD and RHEL installations. > > While my RHEL installation is running, I am able to communicate with > the FC2 installation over the network. When FreeBSD is running, all > pings from either side fail. I have no clue if I need to look at some > special configuration, or is it a problem with the basics. > > Wond'ring what to do. > > Cheers, > Andy > -- /sbin/ifconfig output? Also, do you happen to have a firewall in your FreeBSD OS setup :)? -Garrett From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 10:59:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0425E16A407 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:59:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from CQG00620@nifty.ne.jp) Received: from mail.asahi-net.or.jp (mail1.asahi-net.or.jp [202.224.39.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9676443D6E for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:59:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from CQG00620@nifty.ne.jp) Received: from asahi-net.jp (l204142.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp [218.219.204.142]) by mail.asahi-net.or.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE4315AA6; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:59:22 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:59:22 +0900 From: Watanabe Kazuhiro To: freebsd-questions In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.8 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Shij=F2?=) APEL/10.6 Emacs/20.7 (i386--freebsd) MULE/4.0 (HANANOEN) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <20060914105922.9CE4315AA6@mail.asahi-net.or.jp> Cc: musashi miyamoto Subject: Re: pci modem question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:59:25 -0000 Hi. At Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:05:07 +0800, musashi miyamoto wrote: > FreeBSD mori.ranmaru 6.1-STABLE FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE #0: Tue Sep 5 02:09:57 > PHT 2006 mori@mori.ranmaru:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/SHOGUN i386 > > > is there a dialup pci modem that is compatible with FreeBSD? Lucent(Agere) Mars chipset can be worked with ports/comms/ltmdm. It's a controller-less modem. I had used a PCI modem that uses the chipset(1646T00) on FreeBSD 5.x for several years. There was no problem for dialup use. PCTel PCT789T chipset can be worked too with the "ptmdm" driver. It's a software modem: http://homepage2.nifty.com/dumb_show/unix/PCTel-FreeBSD.en.html This driver isn't tested well. There are only two persons who has tested the driver with the chipset (one is me... thanks to Markus!). So if you can, it's better for you to select Lucent Mars. --- Watanabe Kazuhiro (CQG00620@nifty.ne.jp) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 11:01:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D15916A40F for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:01:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toni@stderror.at) Received: from murus.stderror.at (stdin.stderror.at [83.65.196.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E49BE43D49 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:01:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from toni@stderror.at) Received: from murus.stderror.at (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by murus.stderror.at (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC1E5C3D; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:02:07 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:02:07 +0200 Message-ID: <86k646g18w.wl%toni@stderror.at> From: Toni Schmidbauer To: "David Robillard" In-Reply-To: <226ae0c60609010654o51671db1id6e394be7bd30ef7@mail.gmail.com> References: <226ae0c60608311017j1a4bea9cg6dbaa12414d74716@mail.gmail.com> <0a7c01c6cd26$a76b5b80$37cba1cd@emerytelcom.com> <226ae0c60608311108l263442b6j122835ba73ff645c@mail.gmail.com> <0b1301c6cd33$fb77dac0$37cba1cd@emerytelcom.com> <226ae0c60609010654o51671db1id6e394be7bd30ef7@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust Emacs Organization: stderror.at X-WWW-Home-Page: http://stderror.at X-PGP-Fingerprint: 53F2 28AE 8070 83E0 AFEC 0ABC BBF9 A34A 3ED1 3287 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Re: Mirroring: gvinum or gmirror? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:01:12 -0000 At Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:54:02 -0400, David Robillard wrote: > Sounds like a good idea indeed. I've always followed Ralf S. > Engelschall's instructions at http://people.freebsd.org/~rse/mirror/ > which involves using dump(8) to transfer the data onto the second disk > once it's setup as a gmirror provider. this has worked for me in the past: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2005/11/10/FreeBSD_Basics.html regards toni -- If you understand what you're doing, you're | toni at stderror dot at not learning anything. | Toni Schmidbauer -- Anonymous | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 11:09:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B314716A415 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:09:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toni@stderror.at) Received: from murus.stderror.at (stdin.stderror.at [83.65.196.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD8943D45 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:09:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from toni@stderror.at) Received: from murus.stderror.at (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by murus.stderror.at (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E7BC5C3D; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:10:43 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:10:43 +0200 Message-ID: <86irjqg0uk.wl%toni@stderror.at> From: Toni Schmidbauer To: gb In-Reply-To: <45042E30.7030701@sumail.ru> References: <45042E30.7030701@sumail.ru> User-Agent: Wanderlust Emacs Organization: stderror.at X-WWW-Home-Page: http://stderror.at X-PGP-Fingerprint: 53F2 28AE 8070 83E0 AFEC 0ABC BBF9 A34A 3ED1 3287 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Free BSD Questions list Subject: Re: Thinkpad X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:09:41 -0000 At Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:24:32 +0400, gb wrote: > Got hold of an old IBM X21 Thinkpad. Anyone out there have any > recommendations for a good kernel config or whatever to squeeze the > most of this little fellow? a good starting point: http://gerda.univie.ac.at/freebsd-laptops/index.pl?action=show_laptop_detail&laptop=9 lg toni -- If you understand what you're doing, you're | toni at stderror dot at not learning anything. | Toni Schmidbauer -- Anonymous | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 11:15:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B68016A415 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:15:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arindam.mukerjee@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF8A443D46 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:15:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from arindam.mukerjee@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so3293306pye for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 04:15:48 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tpstnGtGYmupIL6L9h9JXfTqF1SqgseoPGXgxBBbV5vIyxIM2P4rcyx8ZJJc1fcGdJL4kagvNxqZ4f286cCdg1ZFxldyVPLBd6sgF2j8cNa5nktMSR4/NMeh4Oh6Pzj+wO8Li/Knt+SDuCicri1EIhz8whktY1nLHYki6y6oGjE= Received: by 10.35.96.7 with SMTP id y7mr14823060pyl; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 04:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.13.20 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 04:15:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:45:47 +0530 From: Arindam To: "Garrett Cooper" In-Reply-To: <3748E46A-16BD-4AD9-8EC3-84B10538F2BB@u.washington.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <3748E46A-16BD-4AD9-8EC3-84B10538F2BB@u.washington.edu> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network connectivity between FreeBSD and Linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:15:49 -0000 > > > I have FreeBSD 6.1 installed on one machine and Fedora Core 2 on > > another. I dual boot the FreeBSD 6.1 machine with a RedHat EL 4.3 > > installation. I have assigned the same static IP address and hostname > > to this machine for both the FreeBSD and RHEL installations. > > > > While my RHEL installation is running, I am able to communicate with > > the FC2 installation over the network. When FreeBSD is running, all > > pings from either side fail. I have no clue if I need to look at some > > special configuration, or is it a problem with the basics. > > > > Wond'ring what to do. > > > > Cheers, > > Andy > > -- > > /sbin/ifconfig output? Also, do you happen to have a firewall in your > FreeBSD OS setup :)? 1. It will take me a while to get the ifconfig output. Will post it in a few hours may be. 2. I am FreeBSD newbie. I am not sure how to check if a firewall is running. I doubt if there is ... I don't remember installing one. Can please you tell me how to look? > -Garrett Cheers, Andy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 11:21:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F8916A417 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:21:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from mxout4.cac.washington.edu (mxout4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9EB743D69 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:21:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.32.139]) by mxout4.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.03) with ESMTP id k8EBL863005118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 04:21:08 -0700 X-Auth-Received: from [192.168.11.5] (206.83.147.124.dy.bbexcite.jp [124.147.83.206]) (authenticated authid=youshi10) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.03) with ESMTP id k8EBL6XP001520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 04:21:08 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <3748E46A-16BD-4AD9-8EC3-84B10538F2BB@u.washington.edu> X-Gpgmail-State: !signed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <49B0565D-2C10-43CF-AB15-9CD712EFC074@u.washington.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Garrett Cooper Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:21:05 +0900 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.266434, Antispam-Engine: 2.4.0.264935, Antispam-Data: 2006.9.14.35943 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' Subject: Re: Network connectivity between FreeBSD and Linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:21:21 -0000 On Sep 14, 2006, at 8:15 PM, Arindam wrote: >> >> > I have FreeBSD 6.1 installed on one machine and Fedora Core 2 on >> > another. I dual boot the FreeBSD 6.1 machine with a RedHat EL 4.3 >> > installation. I have assigned the same static IP address and >> hostname >> > to this machine for both the FreeBSD and RHEL installations. >> > >> > While my RHEL installation is running, I am able to communicate >> with >> > the FC2 installation over the network. When FreeBSD is running, all >> > pings from either side fail. I have no clue if I need to look at >> some >> > special configuration, or is it a problem with the basics. >> > >> > Wond'ring what to do. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Andy >> > -- >> >> /sbin/ifconfig output? Also, do you happen to have a firewall in your >> FreeBSD OS setup :)? > > 1. It will take me a while to get the ifconfig output. Will post it in > a few hours may be. > 2. I am FreeBSD newbie. I am not sure how to check if a firewall is > running. I doubt if there is ... I don't remember installing one. Can > please you tell me how to look? > >> -Garrett > > Cheers, > Andy If you didn't compile it into the kernel, there should be a directive in /etc/rc.conf with the term "firewall" or "pf" for example if you have one running. -Garrett From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 11:23:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC8916A417 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:23:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from diri.bris.ac.uk (diri.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.112]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 438B043D70 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:23:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from seis.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.93]) by diri.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GNpJA-0001xL-7U for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:23:10 +0100 Received: from mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.184.33]) by seis.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GNpIp-0000vZ-OW for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:22:50 +0100 Received: from mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost.men.bris.ac.uk [127.0.0.1]) by mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k8EBLu6L000602 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:21:56 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from shterenl@localhost) by mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k8EBLuP1000601 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:21:56 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk: shterenl set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:21:56 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060914112137.GA546@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Spam-Score: -0.8 X-Spam-Level: / Subject: boot without loader(8) -> BTX halted X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:23:20 -0000 I can boot fine with loader(8). However if I try to load kernel directly from boot(8) I always get "BTX halted" no matter which kernel and options I choose. The only command that works is the loader itself, /boot/loader. Why? man 8 loader says that BTX client is the name of the loader on i386. So does "BTX halted" error message mean that loader(8) is still called, even though it was supposed to be bypassed? I compiled the hints statically to the kernel because my understanding is that if loader(8) is bypassed then /boot/device.hints cannot be read. Is that correct? I use 6.0-release on compaq armada 1700 laptop. thanks anton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 12:08:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF86C16A407 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:08:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@uni-mainz.de) Received: from mailgate02.zdv.uni-mainz.de (mailgate02.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.178.132]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916C643D55 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:08:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ohartman@uni-mainz.de) Received: from exfront01.zdv.uni-mainz.de ([134.93.176.49]) by mailgate02.zdv.uni-mainz.de with ESMTP; 14 Sep 2006 14:08:06 +0200 Received: from mail.uni-mainz.de ([134.93.176.56]) by exfront01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:08:06 +0200 Received: from [130.133.86.198] ([130.133.86.198] RDNS failed) by mail.uni-mainz.de over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:08:06 +0200 Message-ID: <45094622.7010803@uni-mainz.de> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:08:02 +0200 From: "O. Hartmann" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060731) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2006 12:08:06.0396 (UTC) FILETIME=[6FC843C0:01C6D7F6] Subject: OT: awk/sed: how to use a variable in an address range? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:08:10 -0000 Hello. This might be OT in FreeBSD list, but hopefully some of yours is involved in sophisticated AWK programming. To keep a small shell script portable I use awk for separating an ASCII file from a home brewn scientific model software. The datasets of the output is enclosed by /begin_data_set_##/ . . . /end_data_set_##/ ## is a two-digit counter, but not necessesaryly equidistant. I would like to separate the file contaning all datasets via awk or sed into appropriate files - this is my intention, but I failed. the simplest way - in theory and in my limitit ability of using sed or awk - is to print all lines between the (sed/awk) addresses /begin_data_set_##/ ... /end_data_set_##/ but this does not work due to i cannot use variables in the address range specifiers neither in awk nor in sed like this: awk -v nc=$NUMBER '/\/begin_data_set_nc\//,/\/end_data_set_nc\// { do-something-in-awk}' $input_file > $output_file_$NUMBER nc in this example is set to the counter of the desired dataset. I would like to use SED or AWK only due to portability reasons. Any hints are appreciated. Regards, oh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 12:18:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 567FA16A407 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:18:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from M.Apitz@oclcpica.org) Received: from mail.pica.nl (mail.pica.nl [192.87.44.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8EAE43D6D for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:18:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from M.Apitz@oclcpica.org) Received: from rebelion.Sisis.de ([193.31.10.34]) by mail.pica.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:18:04 +0200 Received: (from guru@localhost) by rebelion.Sisis.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k8ECICXF007900 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:18:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from m.apitz@oclcpica.org) X-Authentication-Warning: rebelion.Sisis.de: guru set sender to m.apitz@oclcpica.org using -f Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:18:12 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060914121812.GA7746@rebelion.Sisis.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE (i386) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2006 12:18:04.0766 (UTC) FILETIME=[D47047E0:01C6D7F7] Subject: fortune in English or Spanish X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:18:18 -0000 Hi, I'm missing somehow the classic 'fortune' command and files in the ports, the are Italian and Russian ones, but don't see the fortune itself. If there is a Spanish one a pointer would be nice too. Thx matthias Linux es para gente que odia Micro$soft, FreeBSD es para los amantes de UNIX -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC PICA GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclcpica.org/ http://guru.UnixLand.de/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 12:30:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C276816A416 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:30:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from CQG00620@nifty.ne.jp) Received: from mail.asahi-net.or.jp (mail2.asahi-net.or.jp [202.224.39.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF7943D45 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:30:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from CQG00620@nifty.ne.jp) Received: from asahi-net.jp (l204142.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp [218.219.204.142]) by mail.asahi-net.or.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE27B1527A; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:30:16 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:30:16 +0900 From: Watanabe Kazuhiro To: freebsd-questions In-Reply-To: <200609141240.14031.jonathan@hst.org.za> References: <200609141240.14031.jonathan@hst.org.za> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.8 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Shij=F2?=) APEL/10.6 Emacs/20.7 (i386--freebsd) MULE/4.0 (HANANOEN) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <20060914123016.EE27B1527A@mail.asahi-net.or.jp> Cc: Jonathan McKeown Subject: Re: Using PC as serial terminal on running system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:30:26 -0000 Hi, At Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:40:13 +0200, Jonathan McKeown wrote: > On Wednesday 13 September 2006 14:59, Jonathan McKeown wrote: > > I'm using my laptop and tip(1) as a serial terminal. This is working well > > when a machine is booted with the laptop connected to its serial port. > > However, I need to be able to connect the laptop to a machine which was > > booted without a serial console. > > > > I've set the ttyd0 line in /etc/ttys and sigHUPed init. The machine is > > still not recognising the presence of the ``serial terminal'' - the > > getty(1) process on the server is not bound to a controlling terminal and > > nothing is appearing in the tip(1) screen on the laptop. > > OK, creating a line in /etc/ttys for cuad0 seems to have worked. Will that > cause problems later? I assume the problem is that the tip(1) process (or > possibly the USB-serial adapter) is not DTRT with respect to carrier. Is > there any other way round this? > > Jonathan Perhaps your serial cable is not a null-modem cable, but an interlink cable. These are similar, but has different pin assignments. The former generates a carrier signal but the latter is not. See the FreeBSD Handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/serial.html By the way, if a serial port is set to the console, the port is set to CLOCAL mode (see stty(1)). In this mode, getty(8) can output the login prompt to the port without a carrier signal. --- Watanabe Kazuhiro (CQG00620@nifty.ne.jp) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 12:51:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB28116A407 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:51:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LoN_Kamikaze@gmx.de) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E289D43D45 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:51:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from LoN_Kamikaze@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 14 Sep 2006 12:51:14 -0000 Received: from p54A7FDD8.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.0.12]) [84.167.253.216] by mail.gmx.net (mp037) with SMTP; 14 Sep 2006 14:51:14 +0200 X-Authenticated: #5465401 Message-ID: <45095030.9000804@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:50:56 +0200 From: "[LoN]Kamikaze" Organization: Lords of Nightmare User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060729) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Apitz References: <20060914121812.GA7746@rebelion.Sisis.de> In-Reply-To: <20060914121812.GA7746@rebelion.Sisis.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fortune in English or Spanish X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:51:17 -0000 Matthias Apitz wrote: > Hi, > > I'm missing somehow the classic 'fortune' command and files in the > ports, the are Italian and Russian ones, but don't see the fortune > itself. If there is a Spanish one a pointer would be nice too. Thx Fortune is part of the base system. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 13:21:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C48D716A40F for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:21:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from M.Apitz@oclcpica.org) Received: from mail.pica.nl (mail.pica.nl [192.87.44.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AF7A43D46 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:21:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from M.Apitz@oclcpica.org) Received: from rebelion.Sisis.de ([193.31.10.34]) by mail.pica.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:21:22 +0200 Received: (from guru@localhost) by rebelion.Sisis.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k8EDLWdR009165; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:21:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from m.apitz@oclcpica.org) X-Authentication-Warning: rebelion.Sisis.de: guru set sender to m.apitz@oclcpica.org using -f Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:21:32 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: "[LoN]Kamikaze" Message-ID: <20060914132132.GA8602@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20060914121812.GA7746@rebelion.Sisis.de> <45095030.9000804@gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <45095030.9000804@gmx.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE (i386) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2006 13:21:22.0818 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC410620:01C6D800] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fortune in English or Spanish X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:21:35 -0000 El día Thursday, September 14, 2006 a las 02:50:56PM +0200, [LoN]Kamikaze escribió: > Matthias Apitz wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm missing somehow the classic 'fortune' command and files in the > > ports, the are Italian and Russian ones, but don't see the fortune > > itself. If there is a Spanish one a pointer would be nice too. Thx > > Fortune is part of the base system. Maybe I'm stupid, but I don't see it: $ uname -r 6.0-RELEASE $ fortune fortune: not found $ man -k fort f77(1), g77(1) - GNU project Fortran 77 compiler snd_fm801(4) - Forte Media FM801 bridge device driver g77-33(1), g77(1) - GNU project Fortran 77 compiler tk_menuBar(n), tk_bindForTraversal(n) - Obsolete support for menu bars gtranslator(1) - -- a comfortable gettext po file editor with many bells and whistles matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC PICA GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclcpica.org/ http://guru.UnixLand.de/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 13:34:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C9016A412 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:34:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob.middaugh@comcast.net) Received: from rwcrmhc15.comcast.net (rwcrmhc15.comcast.net [204.127.192.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0383543D69 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:34:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob.middaugh@comcast.net) Received: from freebsd (c7147696.state.nj.us[199.20.118.150]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc15) with SMTP id <20060914133454m1500n4v0he>; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:34:55 +0000 From: "Bob M." To: Matthias Apitz In-Reply-To: <20060914132132.GA8602@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20060914121812.GA7746@rebelion.Sisis.de> <45095030.9000804@gmx.de> <20060914132132.GA8602@rebelion.Sisis.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:36:34 -0400 Message-Id: <1158240994.6767.42.camel@freebsd> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: "\[LoN\]Kamikaze" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fortune in English or Spanish X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bob.middaugh@comcast.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:34:56 -0000 On Thu, 2006-09-14 at 15:21 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día Thursday, September 14, 2006 a las 02:50:56PM +0200, [LoN]Kamikaze escribió: > > > Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I'm missing somehow the classic 'fortune' command and files in the > > > ports, the are Italian and Russian ones, but don't see the fortune > > > itself. If there is a Spanish one a pointer would be nice too. Thx > > > > Fortune is part of the base system. > > Maybe I'm stupid, but I don't see it: > > $ uname -r > 6.0-RELEASE > $ fortune > fortune: not found > $ man -k fort > f77(1), g77(1) - GNU project Fortran 77 compiler > snd_fm801(4) - Forte Media FM801 bridge device driver > g77-33(1), g77(1) - GNU project Fortran 77 compiler > tk_menuBar(n), tk_bindForTraversal(n) - Obsolete support for menu bars > gtranslator(1) - -- a comfortable gettext po file editor with many bells and whistles > > matthias I know I'm stupid, and I get: # fortune fortune: not found # man fortune No manual entry for fortune # uname -a FreeBSD freebsd.njdol.ad.dol 6.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE #0: Thu May 25 13:44:07 EDT 2006 root@freebsd.njdol.ad.dol:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/WORKSTATION i386 Bob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 13:40:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE2F516A40F for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:40:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Received: from corinth.polands.org (CPE-72-129-222-120.new.res.rr.com [72.129.222.120]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17B9543D53 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:40:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Received: from email.polands.org (ammon.polands.org [172.16.1.7]) by corinth.polands.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8EDeLut054322 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:40:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Received: from 209.103.215.99 (proxying for 209.103.215.99) (SquirrelMail authenticated user djp) by email.polands.org with HTTP; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:40:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <62007.209.103.215.99.1158241221.squirrel@email.polands.org> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:40:21 -0500 (CDT) From: "Doug Poland" To: questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87/1882/Thu Sep 14 06:04:02 2006 on corinth.polands.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: BSDStats project, interesting returns from OpenBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:40:25 -0000 I just glanced at the latest statistics on www.bsdstats.org. In the last week or so OpenBSD has "overtaken" FreeBSD in the USA. Should one conclude that OpenBSD admins have enthusiastically embraced this project and FreeBSD admins have not; or, is OpenBSD really more widely deployed than FreeBSD? -- Regards, Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 13:44:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE77416A47E for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:44:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reko.turja@liukuma.net) Received: from www.liukuma.net (www.liukuma.net [62.220.235.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6172543D45 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:44:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reko.turja@liukuma.net) Received: from L02D81003 (unknown [195.148.43.230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by www.liukuma.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F575D19; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:44:20 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <00df01c6d803$d027ab40$4d2a13ac@STAFF.AMK.LOCAL> From: "Reko Turja" To: "Matthias Apitz" References: <20060914121812.GA7746@rebelion.Sisis.de> <45095030.9000804@gmx.de> <20060914132132.GA8602@rebelion.Sisis.de> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:43:51 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fortune in English or Spanish X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:44:24 -0000 From: "Matthias Apitz" To: "[LoN]Kamikaze" Cc: >> > I'm missing somehow the classic 'fortune' command and files in >> > the >> Fortune is part of the base system. > > Maybe I'm stupid, but I don't see it: > man fortune FILES /usr/games/fortune /usr/share/games/fortune/* the fortunes databases (those files ending ``-o'' contain the offensive fortunes) Fortune is part of "games" package. -Reko From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 14:06:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A14C16A407 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:06:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from budman@seibercom.net) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE6A43D46 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:06:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from budman@seibercom.net) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so2766568wxd for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:06:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.49.19 with SMTP id w19mr3159985agw; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.4? ( [67.189.184.224]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 14sm1538401wrl.2006.09.14.07.06.47; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:06:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:07:00 -0400 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: Seibercom In-Reply-To: <20060914132132.GA8602@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <45095030.9000804@gmx.de> <20060914132132.GA8602@rebelion.Sisis.de> X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Message-Id: <20060914100636.84A5.BUDMAN@seibercom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.25 [en] From: Gerard Seibert Subject: Re: fortune in English or Spanish X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:06:51 -0000 Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día Thursday, September 14, 2006 a las 02:50:56PM +0200, [LoN]Kamikaze escribió: > > > Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I'm missing somehow the classic 'fortune' command and files in the > > > ports, the are Italian and Russian ones, but don't see the fortune > > > itself. If there is a Spanish one a pointer would be nice too. Thx > > > > Fortune is part of the base system. > > Maybe I'm stupid, but I don't see it: > > $ uname -r > 6.0-RELEASE > $ fortune > fortune: not found > $ man -k fort > f77(1), g77(1) - GNU project Fortran 77 compiler > snd_fm801(4) - Forte Media FM801 bridge device driver > g77-33(1), g77(1) - GNU project Fortran 77 compiler > tk_menuBar(n), tk_bindForTraversal(n) - Obsolete support for menu bars > gtranslator(1) - -- a comfortable gettext po file editor with many bells and whistles Perhaps I am wrong on this; however, I thought when you install FBSD you also have the option of installing a complete system, or pared down one that could exclude the 'games' port. I seem to remember a posting on that a while back where a new user had done a minimal installation and several utilities they wanted were not available. -- Gerard From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 14:06:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCA4416A412 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:06:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 556A743D49 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:06:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from [172.23.170.145] (helo=anti-virus03-08) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNrre-0003PM-1P; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:06:50 +0100 Received: from [82.41.35.166] (helo=[192.168.0.2]) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNrrd-0004qQ-8p; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:06:49 +0100 Message-ID: <450961F8.1030401@dial.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:06:48 +0100 From: Alex Zbyslaw User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-GB; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060515 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Apitz References: <20060914121812.GA7746@rebelion.Sisis.de> <45095030.9000804@gmx.de> <20060914132132.GA8602@rebelion.Sisis.de> In-Reply-To: <20060914132132.GA8602@rebelion.Sisis.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fortune in English or Spanish X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:06:52 -0000 Matthias Apitz wrote: >El d=EDa Thursday, September 14, 2006 a las 02:50:56PM +0200, [LoN]Kamik= aze escribi=F3: > > =20 > >>Matthias Apitz wrote: >> =20 >> >>>Hi, >>> >>>I'm missing somehow the classic 'fortune' command and files in the >>>ports, the are Italian and Russian ones, but don't see the fortune >>>itself. If there is a Spanish one a pointer would be nice too. Thx >>> =20 >>> >>Fortune is part of the base system. >> =20 >> > >Maybe I'm stupid, but I don't see it: > =20 > Probably not stupid. Although fortune *can* be part of the "base" system, it is part of the=20 "games" distribution which might not have got installed. In fact the=20 "games" are none of them games any more and the likes of snake=20 presumably live in the ports now. Probably you can just run sysinstall=20 with the first CD in place and install just the games - but I've never=20 done that. Being a lazy slacker I wouldn't ever consider a Unix install = complete without *something* that passes for a game (for use during long = compiles, of course :-)) If you do buildword's and things you might need to check that games=20 haven't been turned off in /etc/make.conf which I presume is possible. This is from 5.4 by I expect 6.X to be largely the same. % which fortune /usr/games/fortune % ls /usr/games =2E/ caesar* grdc* pom* =20 random* unstr* =2E./ factor* morse* ppt* rot13* bcd* fortune* number* primes* strfile* No clue about Spanish though. Maybe you need to start translating ;-) --Alex From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 14:14:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B436516A40F for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:14:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from M.Apitz@oclcpica.org) Received: from mail.pica.nl (mail.pica.nl [192.87.44.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ABF843D45 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:14:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from M.Apitz@oclcpica.org) Received: from rebelion.Sisis.de ([193.31.10.34]) by mail.pica.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:13:52 +0200 Received: (from guru@localhost) by rebelion.Sisis.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k8EEE2nQ010266; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:14:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from m.apitz@oclcpica.org) X-Authentication-Warning: rebelion.Sisis.de: guru set sender to m.apitz@oclcpica.org using -f Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:14:02 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Alex Zbyslaw Message-ID: <20060914141402.GA10245@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20060914121812.GA7746@rebelion.Sisis.de> <45095030.9000804@gmx.de> <20060914132132.GA8602@rebelion.Sisis.de> <450961F8.1030401@dial.pipex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <450961F8.1030401@dial.pipex.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE (i386) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2006 14:13:52.0542 (UTC) FILETIME=[01A2C3E0:01C6D808] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fortune in English or Spanish X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:14:07 -0000 El día Thursday, September 14, 2006 a las 03:06:48PM +0100, Alex Zbyslaw escribió: > Matthias Apitz wrote: > > >El día Thursday, September 14, 2006 a las 02:50:56PM +0200, [LoN]Kamikaze > >escribió: > > > > > > > >>Matthias Apitz wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Hi, > >>> > >>>I'm missing somehow the classic 'fortune' command and files in the > >>>port9k©‘á:Û5\@ÁH^t¸wV^i•‘–7WE5ÔDä´&g¿42ó’B^°e4=@r°½Ç„™à %2²}±8ùòýÖá¸Éy6`4tô±ùO( ³ T…±‘4[Îþ4¥ŠúiIZFB—`ìûpÝÁ|Ó!¯~;=µA€­KëN²íuRÔ¯d’ð=ÂE.ÙŒ µ-Ž&jà…Yë²7N3ïzn‰tw\ wÆìçý"ûÀ)¸ }2Î\PìR°< ‹Œ‹?£P“ÙÖA4àTì8dˆ±ÈW®YÝhû¹ƒnÜÆ=ó%|>rÀåÓËØó¦ªÌÇ}¦¨€Í²J | ¯!u|5:«w‚tbÍ=èÍ´]}Œ2P”µêÝû Q2 Ù;½Ó®¿¯ïVùFÕÉhËýÍ˪qLÍí »à¶òç8<ø¤µË²È´ó9ã’C4þºx}&y$"jeV¥¼ÌP„¼¯+m²ÚÒ膱ÜûóC.gŠß<ä¡[^Qø=B„r‹Úyë[þv¥LÎXÿ¥-5EÞ–üê+8øžð(l öÇSˆÊ¤©«˜¿»«ö”Ñl| à®*XÎmŒg? ì«Õl!(;Ë.ÚâÞÈc3 ö+Nåp¨ÎÌõøIKl®è-èõ—ºw¨Û«¥ÁùYt€qÝٶÊ ¦`äŽêwÒØ>ü$AÂãA%°èdÊòB[•”=VIüs@ãgI)ÖŠ={[æGžŸNN_Ä›~\_7ÌaØéP{TÖ¸æñöÊ"Q>H\*ˆò•i:å°{Å£üâåÆp0ñ®lÛ„„#ÓÌVOC÷Ǫ`O VÕù/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 14:15:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8578516A403 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:15:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 980BE43D64 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:15:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so2769182wxd for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:15:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.33.10 with SMTP id g10mr12643272wxg; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:15:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net ( [67.189.184.224]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id h13sm12460459wxd.2006.09.14.07.15.50; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:15:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F7FABFDA for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (boss.seibercom.net [192.168.0.4]) (Authenticated sender: gerard@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 155B2B9EC for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:16:00 -0400 From: Gerard Seibert To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: Seibercom In-Reply-To: <00df01c6d803$d027ab40$4d2a13ac@STAFF.AMK.LOCAL> References: <20060914132132.GA8602@rebelion.Sisis.de> <00df01c6d803$d027ab40$4d2a13ac@STAFF.AMK.LOCAL> X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Message-Id: <20060914101259.84AA.GERARD@seibercom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.25 [en] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: Re: fortune in English or Spanish X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:15:53 -0000 Reko Turja wrote: > From: "Matthias Apitz" > To: "[LoN]Kamikaze" > Cc: >=20 > >> > I'm missing somehow the classic 'fortune' command and files in=20 > >> > the >=20 > >> Fortune is part of the base system. > > > > Maybe I'm stupid, but I don't see it: >=20 > > man fortune >=20 > FILES > /usr/games/fortune >=20 > /usr/share/games/fortune/* the fortunes databases (those=20 > files > ending ``-o'' contain the=20 > offensive fortunes) >=20 > Fortune is part of "games" package. It occurred to me that you could just try: which fortune and see what it returns. If it is not /usr/games/fortune then you don't have it installed. You may have to use sysinstall to load it. I am not sure about that however. --=20 Gerard People say they love truth, but in reality they want to believe that which they love is true. =20 Robert J. Ringer. =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 14:20:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C064E16A403; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:20:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E503543D5A; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:20:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) id k8EEKOED080487; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:20:24 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:20:24 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: Ian Smith Message-ID: <20060914142023.GB91336@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20060914054758.GA77575@gothmog.pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-OS: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: questions@freebsd.org, "Tamouh H." , Giorgos Keramidas Subject: Re: Top not showing cpu usage even remotely accurately X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:20:26 -0000 In the last episode (Sep 14), Ian Smith said: > I still can't fathom what top tells me on a UP 5.5-STABLE system (300MHz > Celeron if speed's relevant). I initiated this thread (weeks ago :) re > seeing 0.0% idle (as expected) during buildworld but not seeing anything > add up to anything like 100%, including S)ystem processes, in top. [..]> > However that doesn't explain this typical top view when the system is > quiescent or nearly so, as it mostly is, with only 5-minutely crons and > 11-minutely entropy runs and the odd sendmail to be seen in lastcomm: > > last pid: 18500; load averages: 0.01, 0.08, 0.06 up 5+08:40:33 17:30:30 > 136 processes: 3 running, 110 sleeping, 23 waiting > CPU states: 5.7% user, 0.0% nice, 6.3% system, 0.0% interrupt, 88.0% idle > Mem: 73M Active, 18M Inact, 46M Wired, 8108K Cache, 25M Buf, 2572K Free > Swap: 384M Total, 106M Used, 278M Free, 27% Inuse > > PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND > 11 root 171 52 0K 8K RUN 102.3H 86.82% 86.82% idle > 743 smithi 96 0 26616K 2908K select 156:40 1.03% 1.03% kdeinit > 708 smithi 96 0 34140K 15024K select 223:05 0.63% 0.63% Xorg > 644 root 96 0 1244K 244K select 30:19 0.05% 0.05% moused > 775 smithi 20 0 11524K 1028K kserel 319:17 0.00% 0.00% xmms > It never shows more than about 90% idle, whereas a 0.01 shorter term > load average should indicate more like 99% idle, shouldn't it? 97-99%, > sometimes 100% idle was what FreeBSD 4.5-R used to tell me with the same > workload in around the same memory use, but maybe 4.5 was optimistic .. I would guess that maybe xmms (or some other threaded app) is your hidden CPU consumer. The kernel does not calculate %CPU correctly for libkse-threaded programs, and they usually show up as 0% all the time. The TIME column does update correctly, though. If you switch to libthr with libmap.conf, you'll get accurate threaded %CPU reporting. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 14:23:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D9616A407 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:23:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from M.Apitz@oclcpica.org) Received: from mail.pica.nl (mail.pica.nl [192.87.44.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 193C643D53 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:23:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from M.Apitz@oclcpica.org) Received: from rebelion.Sisis.de ([193.31.10.34]) by mail.pica.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:23:27 +0200 Received: (from guru@localhost) by rebelion.Sisis.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k8EENcqT010478 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:23:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from m.apitz@oclcpica.org) Resent-Message-Id: <200609141423.k8EENcqT010478@rebelion.Sisis.de> X-Authentication-Warning: rebelion.Sisis.de: guru set sender to m.apitz@oclcpica.org using -f Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:14:02 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Alex Zbyslaw Message-ID: <20060914141402.GA10245@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20060914121812.GA7746@rebelion.Sisis.de> <45095030.9000804@gmx.de> <20060914132132.GA8602@rebelion.Sisis.de> <450961F8.1030401@dial.pipex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <450961F8.1030401@dial.pipex.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE (i386) Resent-From: guru@rebelion.Sisis.de Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:23:38 +0200 Resent-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2006 14:23:28.0009 (UTC) FILETIME=[58A40F90:01C6D809] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fortune in English or Spanish X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:23:41 -0000 El día Thursday, September 14, 2006 a las 03:06:48PM +0100, Alex Zbyslaw escribió: > Matthias Apitz wrote: > > >El día Thursday, September 14, 2006 a las 02:50:56PM +0200, [LoN]Kamikaze > >escribió: > > > > > > > >>Matthias Apitz wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Hi, > >>> > >>>I'm missing somehow the classic 'fortune' command and files in the > >>>ports, the are Italian and Russian ones, but don't see the fortune > >>>itself. If there is a Spanish one a pointer would be nice too. Thx > >>> > >>> > >>Fortune is part of the base system. > >> > >> > > > >Maybe I'm stupid, but I don't see it: > > > > > Probably not stupid. ... But too old and I forgott that during the installation I said 'no games'. I have installed it now. Thx for all hints. matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC PICA GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclcpica.org/ http://guru.UnixLand.de/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 14:40:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0957616A49E for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:40:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from billgg@sonic.net) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 607FC43D46 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:40:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from billgg@sonic.net) Received: from webmail.sonic.net (d.webmail.sonic.net [64.142.100.149]) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k8EEeJbE008270 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:40:19 -0700 Received: from 209.204.181.224 (SquirrelMail authenticated user billgg) by webmail.sonic.net with HTTP; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:40:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9773.209.204.181.224.1158244818.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:40:18 -0700 (PDT) From: billgg@sonic.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: FTP server behind router/gateway X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:40:20 -0000 I have a FreeBSD 6.1 box running behind a router/gateway. When it tries to go into passive mode, it returns it's internal 192.168. ip address to the client which the client stupidly uses to try to connect to. I've confirmed this by tyring to FTP from several external systems (windows & linux). Is there anyway to get the FreeBSD box to return the external address without making it act as the router/gateway? Thanks, Marty From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 14:51:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE9C416A47B for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:51:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from f.bonnet@esiee.fr) Received: from mail.esiee.fr (mail.esiee.fr [147.215.1.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46ADD43D55 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:51:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from f.bonnet@esiee.fr) Received: from mail.esiee.fr (localhost.esiee.fr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.esiee.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 979A83658DA for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:51:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from secure.esiee.fr (secure.esiee.fr [147.215.1.19]) by mail.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B523658A0 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:51:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [147.215.1.21] (lisa.esiee.fr [147.215.1.21]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: bonnetf) by secure.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA9B4398CF for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:46:53 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <45096C88.4030203@esiee.fr> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:51:52 +0200 From: Frank Bonnet User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060828) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Upgrading our mail server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:51:54 -0000 Hello Our mailhub is actually a HP DL360 with one processor (Xeon 2.8 ghz) with 2 Gb RAM and 120 Gb disks, it is 3 years old. It runs Postfix + imap + imaps + pop3 + pop3s + squirrelmail + vexira antivirus + postgrey and some small auxiliary services. We have approx 2500 users / mailboxes and the machine is often really loaded So I decided it is time to purchase a new server and I need some feedback from admins that could help me to choose a new hardware system that could runs like a charm with FreeBSD 6.1 ? I need SCSI Disks of course , budget is around 10K$ TIA -- Cordialement Frank Bonnet From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 15:07:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58F6516A40F for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:07:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from betty.computinginnovations.com (dsl081-142-072.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.142.72]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC53943D4C for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:07:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from p28.computinginnovations.com (dsl081-227-057.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.227.57]) (authenticated bits=0) by betty.computinginnovations.com (8.13.6/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8EF6iQg093667; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:06:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20060914100547.021796d0@mail.computinginnovations.com> X-Sender: derek@mail.computinginnovations.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:06:39 -0500 To: billgg@sonic.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Derek Ragona In-Reply-To: <9773.209.204.181.224.1158244818.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net > References: <9773.209.204.181.224.1158244818.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-From: derek@computinginnovations.com X-Spam-Status: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: FTP server behind router/gateway X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:07:13 -0000 That is more a matter for your router. Your router should be wrapping the internal address with a public one. Be sure you are forwarding all the ports needed for ftp. -Derek At 09:40 AM 9/14/2006, billgg@sonic.net wrote: >I have a FreeBSD 6.1 box running behind a router/gateway. When it tries >to go into passive mode, it returns it's internal 192.168. ip address to >the client which the client stupidly uses to try to connect to. I've >confirmed this by tyring to FTP from several external systems (windows & >linux). Is there anyway to get the FreeBSD box to return the external >address without making it act as the router/gateway? > >Thanks, >Marty > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >-- >This message has been scanned for viruses and >dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >believed to be clean. >MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 15:10:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E14C16A407 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:10:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from betty.computinginnovations.com (dsl081-142-072.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.142.72]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB8BB43D7B for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:10:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from p28.computinginnovations.com (dsl081-227-057.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.227.57]) (authenticated bits=0) by betty.computinginnovations.com (8.13.6/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8EFA1OG093729; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:10:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20060914100717.02171828@mail.computinginnovations.com> X-Sender: derek@mail.computinginnovations.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:09:54 -0500 To: RJ45 , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Derek Ragona In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: memory problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:10:15 -0000 Since the BIOS reports the memory as ignored, I'd say it is your motherboard causing the issue. You should check the manufacturer's specs on the board and see if this is a limit to the board for the memory you are using. Many system boards have different memory limits based on the actual memory modules you use. -Derek At 03:24 AM 9/14/2006, RJ45 wrote: >Hello, >I am running FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p6 build with buildworld. > >THe system has exactly 4GB of memory but the memory is not complitely >seen by the system. > >At boot thime I Get this warning > >524288Kb of memory above 4GB ignored > >and then if I check > >real memory = 3757965312 (3583 MB) >avail memory = 3678597120 (3508 MB) > >I do not know why this happens. > >I Tryed to search on the archives, also other people has this problem >but I could not find a valid solution at all. >anyone ha sa suggestion for me ? > >I tried to tweak BIOS parameters unsucesfully... > >thanks a lot > >Rick > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >-- >This message has been scanned for viruses and >dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >believed to be clean. >MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 15:20:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4407116A4E1 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:20:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.238]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 176F643D49 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:20:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so2786704wxd for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.92.12 with SMTP id p12mr15295455wxb; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net ( [67.189.184.224]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id i16sm2596681wxd.2006.09.14.08.20.45; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BBADBF08 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (boss.seibercom.net [192.168.0.4]) (Authenticated sender: gerard@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDD1CB9EC for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:20:55 -0400 From: Gerard Seibert To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: Seibercom In-Reply-To: <45096C88.4030203@esiee.fr> References: <45096C88.4030203@esiee.fr> X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Message-Id: <20060914111843.91BC.GERARD@seibercom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.25 [en] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: Re: Upgrading our mail server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:20:51 -0000 Frank Bonnet wrote: [...] >=20 > I need SCSI Disks of course , budget is around 10K$ Why the insistence on SCSI? Is there any reason that SATA or RAID with SATA is not acceptable? Just curious. --=20 Gerard From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 15:24:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA0A516A403 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:24:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ograbme@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E99D43D53 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:24:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ograbme@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 13so1161910nzn for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:24:08 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:date:from:x-mailer:reply-to:x-priority:message-id:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZI9Co8SmFq38MStBZRQTdsp+Ci6F2beiC8ymkVPGOVmCklXZWzGBexzoE0BUv7KIj+wncirmOonMUyX3qpaC+WCZaTbihtJXJ0cYbKvdVSwR85yzt/mbcTLbBG0UHZh9AW9nYbfL4Zna6fvgo8A12cq3JbuCps41sOj1qiUDrxk= Received: by 10.90.50.6 with SMTP id x6mr3257274agx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server ( [68.215.250.136]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 9sm438249wrl.2006.09.14.08.24.06; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:27:21 -0400 From: ograbme X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.11.02) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <586895196.20060914112721@gmail.com> To: RJ45 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Newbie Question - what does the "...-p6" mean? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ograbme List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:24:11 -0000 Hello All. Thursday, September 14, 2006, 4:24:43 AM, RJ45 wrote in regards to his message titled "Memory problem": R> I am running FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p6 build with buildworld. What does the "-p6" nomenclature represent in the above statement? I've noticed some messages have contained various "-pX's". I recently just installed FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p0 (according to -uname command) from a FreeBSD Mall 4-CD set, dated May 2006. Does this "-p" number represent an updated ?Version? containing new patches or ...? Thanks in advance. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 15:32:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D873616A403 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:32:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wash@wananchi.com) Received: from ns2.wananchi.com (ns2.wananchi.com [62.8.64.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1CA843D46 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:32:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wash@wananchi.com) Received: from wash by ns2.wananchi.com with local (Exim 4.63 #0 (FreeBSD 4.11-STABLE)) id 1GNtCS-0009FR-4t by authid for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:32:24 +0300 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:32:24 +0300 From: Odhiambo Washington To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060914153224.GK49058@ns2.wananchi.com> Mail-Followup-To: Odhiambo Washington , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <45096C88.4030203@esiee.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <45096C88.4030203@esiee.fr> X-Disclaimer: Any views expressed in this message, where not explicitly attributed otherwise, are mine alone!. X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Designation: Systems Administrator, Wananchi Online Ltd. X-Location: Nairobi, KE, East Africa. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Subject: Re: Upgrading our mail server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:32:28 -0000 * On 14/09/06 16:51 +0200, Frank Bonnet wrote: | Hello | | Our mailhub is actually a HP DL360 with one processor (Xeon 2.8 ghz) | with 2 Gb RAM and 120 Gb disks, it is 3 years old. | | It runs Postfix + imap + imaps + pop3 + pop3s + squirrelmail + vexira | antivirus + postgrey | and some small auxiliary services. | | We have approx 2500 users / mailboxes and the machine is often really loaded | | So I decided it is time to purchase a new server and I need some feedback | from | admins that could help me to choose a new hardware system that could runs | like | a charm with FreeBSD 6.1 ? | | I need SCSI Disks of course , budget is around 10K$ Your server is good enough to handle even 10k users. You just need to identify what is causing the overload. Adding one processor and 2GB extra RAM should be enough, I think. If what you want is to get a "new" server thinking it will be fast just because of the CPU and RAM, then your thinking is ill-advised. I have an HP ML350 with one 2.4GHz CPU, 1GB RAM, 2x146GB SCSI HDD and it runs Exim, courier-imap (pop3/imap), squirrelmail, spamassassin, ClamAv, MySQL with 8k individual mail accounts on it. The only thing I feel like updating on it is to double the CPU and double the RAM and I am sure to run it for longer. Do you see my line of thinking? -Wash http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html DISCLAIMER: See http://www.wananchi.com/bms/terms.php -- +======================================================================+ |\ _,,,---,,_ | Odhiambo Washington Zzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ | Wananchi Online Ltd. www.wananchi.com |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-'| Tel: +254 20 313985-9 +254 20 313922 '---''(_/--' `-'\_) | GSM: +254 722 743223 +254 733 744121 +======================================================================+ Boy, life takes a long time to live -- Steven Wright From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 15:33:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2930A16A407 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:33:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com (mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4BC443D46 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:33:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from collaborativefusion.com (mx01.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.201]) (TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by wingspan with esmtp; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:33:36 -0400 id 00056422.45097650.00012735 Received: from Internal Mail-Server (206.210.89.202) by mx01 (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 14 Sep 2006 11:30:31 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:33:34 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: ograbme Message-Id: <20060914113334.6f85ac2e.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> In-Reply-To: <586895196.20060914112721@gmail.com> References: <586895196.20060914112721@gmail.com> Organization: Collaborative Fusion X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.7 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: RJ45 , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie Question - what does the "...-p6" mean? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:33:37 -0000 In response to ograbme : > > Hello All. > > Thursday, September 14, 2006, 4:24:43 AM, RJ45 wrote in regards to his > message titled "Memory problem": > > > > R> I am running FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p6 build with buildworld. > > > > What does the "-p6" nomenclature represent in the above statement? > I've noticed some messages have contained various "-pX's". I recently > just installed FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p0 (according to -uname command) > from a FreeBSD Mall 4-CD set, dated May 2006. Does this "-p" number > represent an updated ?Version? containing new patches or ...? The 'p' is for "patch level". See any of the security advisories, for example: http://security.freebsd.org/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-06:20.bind.asc Patch releases are only made when there are security flaws found or major stability problems fixed. -- Bill Moran Collaborative Fusion Inc. **************************************************************** IMPORTANT: This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If the reader of this message is not an intended recipient (or the individual responsible for the delivery of this message to an intended recipient), please be advised that any re-use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is prohibited. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. **************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 15:34:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C10CF16A47B for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:34:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from f.bonnet@esiee.fr) Received: from mail.esiee.fr (mail.esiee.fr [147.215.1.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33B5B43D49 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:34:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from f.bonnet@esiee.fr) Received: from mail.esiee.fr (localhost.esiee.fr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.esiee.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 34C243658D2; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:34:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from secure.esiee.fr (secure.esiee.fr [147.215.1.19]) by mail.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A0783658A0; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:34:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [147.215.1.21] (lisa.esiee.fr [147.215.1.21]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: bonnetf) by secure.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BA3A398CF; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:29:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4509768C.5030602@esiee.fr> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:34:36 +0200 From: Frank Bonnet User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060828) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <45096C88.4030203@esiee.fr> <20060914111843.91BC.GERARD@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <20060914111843.91BC.GERARD@seibercom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Upgrading our mail server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:34:38 -0000 Gerard Seibert wrote: > Frank Bonnet wrote: > > [...] >> I need SCSI Disks of course , budget is around 10K$ > > Why the insistence on SCSI? Is there any reason that SATA or RAID with > SATA is not acceptable? Just curious. > > Because I want it -- Cordialement Frank Bonnet From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 15:42:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A0D616A40F for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:42:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from "cyb."@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6CAE843D62 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:42:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from "cyb."@gmx.net) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 14 Sep 2006 15:42:12 -0000 Received: from pD952FA78.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO p4-3200) [217.82.250.120] by mail.gmx.net (mp035) with SMTP; 14 Sep 2006 17:42:12 +0200 X-Authenticated: #4870692 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:42:29 +0200 To: billgg@sonic.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Andreas Rudisch" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9773.209.204.181.224.1158244818.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9773.209.204.181.224.1158244818.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.01 (Win32) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: Subject: Re: FTP server behind router/gateway X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:42:17 -0000 On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:40:18 +0200, wrote: > I have a FreeBSD 6.1 box running behind a router/gateway. When it tries > to go into passive mode, it returns it's internal 192.168. ip address to > the client which the client stupidly uses to try to connect to. I've > confirmed this by tyring to FTP from several external systems (windows & > linux). Is there anyway to get the FreeBSD box to return the external > address without making it act as the router/gateway? > > Thanks, > Marty Maybe this site will help a bit: http://slacksite.com/other/ftp.html Andreas From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 15:46:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D5B16A40F for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:46:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com (mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 861F643D80 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:46:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from collaborativefusion.com (mx01.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.201]) (TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by wingspan with esmtp; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:46:08 -0400 id 0005641C.45097940.000128B8 Received: from Internal Mail-Server (206.210.89.202) by mx01 (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 14 Sep 2006 11:43:04 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:46:08 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: Frank Bonnet Message-Id: <20060914114608.e130c6a0.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> In-Reply-To: <4509768C.5030602@esiee.fr> References: <45096C88.4030203@esiee.fr> <20060914111843.91BC.GERARD@seibercom.net> <4509768C.5030602@esiee.fr> Organization: Collaborative Fusion X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.7 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: SCSI vs. SATA (was Re: Upgrading our mail server) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:46:10 -0000 In response to Frank Bonnet : > Gerard Seibert wrote: > > Frank Bonnet wrote: > > > > [...] > >> I need SCSI Disks of course , budget is around 10K$ > > > > Why the insistence on SCSI? Is there any reason that SATA or RAID with > > SATA is not acceptable? Just curious. > > Because I want it Has anyone every verified whether or not SATA has the problems that plagued ATA? Such as crappy quality and lying caches? Personally, I still demand SCSI on production servers because it still seems as if: a) The performance is still better b) The reliability is still better But I haven't taken a comprehensive look at the SATA offerings. It also seems as if SATA is more limiting. Most SCSI cards can support 16 devices, does SATA have similar offerings? I know it's not common, but if you need that many spindles, you need them! -- Bill Moran Collaborative Fusion Inc. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 16:04:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468EC16A40F for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:04:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from smtp1.utdallas.edu (smtp1.utdallas.edu [129.110.10.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE9443D7D for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:04:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from utd59514.utdallas.edu (utd59514.utdallas.edu [129.110.3.28]) by smtp1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F5E388DEE for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:04:26 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:00:41 -0500 From: Paul Schmehl To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <2F21C23C49C1448E2610CD9E@utd59514.utdallas.edu> In-Reply-To: <62007.209.103.215.99.1158241221.squirrel@email.polands.org> References: <62007.209.103.215.99.1158241221.squirrel@email.polands.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.5 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; boundary="==========BF6AA6DFA1808315373A==========" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: BSDStats project, interesting returns from OpenBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:04:36 -0000 --==========BF6AA6DFA1808315373A========== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline --On Thursday, September 14, 2006 08:40:21 -0500 Doug Poland=20 wrote: > I just glanced at the latest statistics on www.bsdstats.org. In the > last week or so OpenBSD has "overtaken" FreeBSD in the USA. > > Should one conclude that OpenBSD admins have enthusiastically embraced > this project and FreeBSD admins have not; or, is OpenBSD really more > widely deployed than FreeBSD? > What page are you looking at? www.bsdstats.org shows 2868 FreeBSD machines = and 1379 OpenBSD machines. Only in the US is OpenBSD "ahead" of FreeBSD.=20 So I suppose you could say that OpenBSD admins *within* the US have=20 embraced the project more willingly than FreeBSD admins or OpenBSD is more=20 widely used *within* the US. But I doubt any of this is meaningful. It=20 won't be until we get a great deal more systems reporting. 5097 systems=20 worldwide must be less than 1% of the total systems in use worldwide, I=20 would think. Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ --==========BF6AA6DFA1808315373A==========-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 16:05:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6B7A16A403 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:05:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7EEF43D45 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:05:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A0DB1A4D79; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:05:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E2116514BD; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:05:34 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: Perry Hutchison Message-ID: <20060914160534.GA53648@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <10609140727.AA28689@pluto.rain.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <10609140727.AA28689@pluto.rain.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mount_ext2fs returning ENODEV on 6.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:05:36 -0000 --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 12:27:11AM -0700, Perry Hutchison wrote: > What am I doing wrong? >=20 > # ll /dev/ad0s7 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 93 Sep 4 02:30 /dev/ad0s7 > # file -s /dev/ad0s7 > /dev/ad0s7: Linux rev 1.0 ext2 filesystem data > # grep -w ad0s7 /etc/fstab > /dev/ad0s7 /linux ext2fs ro 0 0 > # ll -d /linux > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 24 12:09 /linux > # mount /linux > mount_ext2fs: /dev/ad0s7: Operation not supported by device No ext2fs support in your kernel? Kris --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFCX3OWry0BWjoQKURAisRAKDjA/wfx9F8eWkMQusHR/shGovRSACfUgCl v1PgPTSzHW1URWh10R9l51k= =y3Xx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 16:09:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C3E16A416 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:09:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A083D43D58 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:09:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 775E71A3C20; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E61F6513F0; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:09:19 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: Doug Poland Message-ID: <20060914160919.GB53648@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <62007.209.103.215.99.1158241221.squirrel@email.polands.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hHWLQfXTYDoKhP50" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <62007.209.103.215.99.1158241221.squirrel@email.polands.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSDStats project, interesting returns from OpenBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:09:21 -0000 --hHWLQfXTYDoKhP50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 08:40:21AM -0500, Doug Poland wrote: > I just glanced at the latest statistics on www.bsdstats.org. In the > last week or so OpenBSD has "overtaken" FreeBSD in the USA. >=20 > Should one conclude that OpenBSD admins have enthusiastically embraced > this project and FreeBSD admins have not; or, is OpenBSD really more > widely deployed than FreeBSD? One should not conclude anything until the numbers are much larger than they are now, because small fluctuations from e.g. regional promotion of bsdstats in one country but not another, or one large company deploying it on all machine, will dramatically change your "conclusions". Kris --hHWLQfXTYDoKhP50 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFCX6vWry0BWjoQKURAvnCAJ9GuWO3VcfG6B9KKz0LQv1f/Vv23gCffRMf K8dIXRGB7KDnwfE90NxBQks= =skS/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hHWLQfXTYDoKhP50-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 16:16:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C71016A415 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:16:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [208.162.254.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DDA243D5C for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:16:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DF1C9684C for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:16:31 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9JlG1CORGLwD for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:16:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from janus.daycos.com (outbound.daycos.com [204.26.70.70]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB6AE95DE3 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:16:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Kirk Strauser To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:16:21 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 X-Face: T+/_{qmjgbosI0J/e83I~w[&VF'w)!((xEpj///^bA/6?jHHS?nq+T8_+`nh"WnEWCWG, \}]Y2$)) =?utf-8?q?vLVz4ACChrEcb=7DCO=5EtYmMG=5C=0A=09ts=2Em=3F=5B7=5B6OwE*dAJ*9f+m?= =?utf-8?q?X=2E7R32qeN=5EDJ=5C?=(k@evW?IRQCy.^ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart3470439.R3oDm5ZWol"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200609141116.26590.kirk@strauser.com> Subject: Which process is hogging my drives? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:16:41 -0000 --nextPart3470439.R3oDm5ZWol Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Some process on my system is really slamming my gstripe volume (so says=20 systat -iostat and gstat). Is there a relatively easy way to see which=20 processes are responsible? =2D-=20 Kirk Strauser --nextPart3470439.R3oDm5ZWol Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQBFCYBa5sRg+Y0CpvERAr4eAJ9Q+vGZ7ooSnrmOyBsqG2O/2MbPyQCbBKDI jnYwCpM333m6tenOJH8dhzw= =/mta -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart3470439.R3oDm5ZWol-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 16:18:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 386B916A416 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:18:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: from web34415.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web34415.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 163B943D6A for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:18:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 62377 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Sep 2006 16:18:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Viaizm/HjRvCzLSNNXmicW+eUS3rzBWUX0Z+BiDI8ga0I6AC0DEODMqL3uVEWdwr787UzaFsb07/vr7pkYbRDWihdoOO3NKnsOHp3YJEe/qvf2Y34ucPa8xm/1XgKvzRL/uz5XnJs7tsxCvZDTs5wB2az52B26WBHv3GqngONso= ; Message-ID: <20060914161832.62373.qmail@web34415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.189.184.224] by web34415.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:18:32 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:18:32 -0700 (PDT) From: White Hat To: FreeBSD Users Questions In-Reply-To: <20060914114608.e130c6a0.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: SCSI vs. SATA (was Re: Upgrading our mail server) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:18:38 -0000 --- Bill Moran wrote: > In response to Frank Bonnet : > > > Gerard Seibert wrote: > > > Frank Bonnet wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > >> I need SCSI Disks of course , budget is around > 10K$ > > > > > > Why the insistence on SCSI? Is there any reason > that SATA or RAID with > > > SATA is not acceptable? Just curious. > > > > Because I want it > > Has anyone every verified whether or not SATA has > the problems that plagued > ATA? Such as crappy quality and lying caches? > > Personally, I still demand SCSI on production > servers because it still > seems as if: > a) The performance is still better > b) The reliability is still better > > But I haven't taken a comprehensive look at the SATA > offerings. It also > seems as if SATA is more limiting. Most SCSI cards > can support 16 > devices, does SATA have similar offerings? I know > it's not common, but > if you need that many spindles, you need them! I have see benchmarks on the PC-Mag site or maybe it was PC-World that would seem to indicate that all things being equal, SATA would outperform SCSI. I have a few friends using SATA and RAID without any problems. My next server, hopefully by years end, will use that sort of configuration. Sorry, but that is about all I can tell you. -- White Hat pigskin_referee@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 16:23:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 861FB16A40F for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:23:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.list@pixelhammer.com) Received: from ecluster6.tls.net (ecluster6.tls.net [65.196.224.136]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 942C243D67 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:23:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dave.list@pixelhammer.com) Received: (qmail 87415 invoked by uid 89); 14 Sep 2006 16:23:48 -0000 Received: from 64-184-11-31.bb.hrtc.net (HELO ?192.168.0.102?) (ldg%tls.net@64.184.11.31) by auth-ecluster6.tls.net with SMTP; 14 Sep 2006 16:23:48 -0000 Message-ID: <4509820E.9080006@pixelhammer.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:23:42 -0400 From: DAve User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <45096C88.4030203@esiee.fr> <20060914111843.91BC.GERARD@seibercom.net> <4509768C.5030602@esiee.fr> In-Reply-To: <4509768C.5030602@esiee.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Upgrading our mail server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:23:51 -0000 Frank Bonnet wrote: > Gerard Seibert wrote: >> Frank Bonnet wrote: >> >> [...] >>> I need SCSI Disks of course , budget is around 10K$ >> >> Why the insistence on SCSI? Is there any reason that SATA or RAID with >> SATA is not acceptable? Just curious. >> >> > > Because I want it > I have yet to have a SATA drive last more than 10 months handling a busy mail queue. I have SCSI drives that are four years old and still going strong. SATA, IMHO, is a nice fast drive for gamers. You can go to Frys and get a speedy drive for little money. I do not trust them for mission critical data. As they gain market share that may change. For now I've changed far too many, I have a pop toaster down currently awaiting it's second SATA drive in 16 months. (Professional NOC, Temp, vibration, power all conditioned, this was a Seagate drive). Just my experience, not looking for agreement or argument. DAve -- Three years now I've asked Google why they don't have a logo change for Memorial Day. Why do they choose to do logos for other non-international holidays, but nothing for Veterans? Maybe they forgot who made that choice possible. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 16:29:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C314316A403 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:29:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from betty.computinginnovations.com (dsl081-142-072.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.142.72]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D2843DA3 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:29:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from p28.computinginnovations.com (2.chicago.erensfamily.com [64.81.227.169] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by betty.computinginnovations.com (8.13.6/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8EGSanD094884; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:28:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20060914112701.021d2058@mail.computinginnovations.com> X-Sender: derek@mail.computinginnovations.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:28:26 -0500 To: Bill Moran , Frank Bonnet From: Derek Ragona In-Reply-To: <20060914114608.e130c6a0.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> References: <45096C88.4030203@esiee.fr> <20060914111843.91BC.GERARD@seibercom.net> <4509768C.5030602@esiee.fr> <20060914114608.e130c6a0.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-From: derek@computinginnovations.com X-Spam-Status: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SCSI vs. SATA (was Re: Upgrading our mail server) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:29:15 -0000 SATA is still quite limited. To go beyond those limits use SAS, but SAS costs even more than SCSI and is brand new technology. -Derek At 10:46 AM 9/14/2006, Bill Moran wrote: >In response to Frank Bonnet : > > > Gerard Seibert wrote: > > > Frank Bonnet wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > >> I need SCSI Disks of course , budget is around 10K$ > > > > > > Why the insistence on SCSI? Is there any reason that SATA or RAID with > > > SATA is not acceptable? Just curious. > > > > Because I want it > >Has anyone every verified whether or not SATA has the problems that plagued >ATA? Such as crappy quality and lying caches? > >Personally, I still demand SCSI on production servers because it still >seems as if: >a) The performance is still better >b) The reliability is still better > >But I haven't taken a comprehensive look at the SATA offerings. It also >seems as if SATA is more limiting. Most SCSI cards can support 16 >devices, does SATA have similar offerings? I know it's not common, but >if you need that many spindles, you need them! > >-- >Bill Moran >Collaborative Fusion Inc. >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >-- >This message has been scanned for viruses and >dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >believed to be clean. >MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 16:41:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B94F716A403 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:41:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (mail.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D6DE43D5E for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:41:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.171.127.191] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1GNuGy-0005WM-7G; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:41:09 -0600 In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20060914112701.021d2058@mail.computinginnovations.com> References: <45096C88.4030203@esiee.fr> <20060914111843.91BC.GERARD@seibercom.net> <4509768C.5030602@esiee.fr> <20060914114608.e130c6a0.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> <6.0.0.22.2.20060914112701.021d2058@mail.computinginnovations.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7AD69749-DD5E-43FD-B371-F3C9A153137E@shire.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:41:07 -0600 To: Derek Ragona X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.171.127.191 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on hobbiton.shire.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List , Bill Moran Subject: Re: SCSI vs. SATA (was Re: Upgrading our mail server) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:41:10 -0000 On Sep 14, 2006, at 10:28 AM, Derek Ragona wrote: > SATA is still quite limited. To go beyond those limits use SAS, > but SAS costs even more than SCSI and is brand new technology. Get a 12 or 16 or 24 port Areca card and have a few hot spares and you will see SATA fly for less money than SCSI with higher storage and as high or higher reliability (RAID 6 plus hot spares)... I used to be SCSI only but these new cards and drives offer a lot more for the money and you can make up for reliability by sheer mass and raid 6 and hot spares :-) Chad > > -Derek > > > At 10:46 AM 9/14/2006, Bill Moran wrote: >> In response to Frank Bonnet : >> >> > Gerard Seibert wrote: >> > > Frank Bonnet wrote: >> > > >> > > [...] >> > >> I need SCSI Disks of course , budget is around 10K$ >> > > >> > > Why the insistence on SCSI? Is there any reason that SATA or >> RAID with >> > > SATA is not acceptable? Just curious. >> > >> > Because I want it >> >> Has anyone every verified whether or not SATA has the problems >> that plagued >> ATA? Such as crappy quality and lying caches? >> >> Personally, I still demand SCSI on production servers because it >> still >> seems as if: >> a) The performance is still better >> b) The reliability is still better >> >> But I haven't taken a comprehensive look at the SATA offerings. >> It also >> seems as if SATA is more limiting. Most SCSI cards can support 16 >> devices, does SATA have similar offerings? I know it's not >> common, but >> if you need that many spindles, you need them! >> >> -- >> Bill Moran >> Collaborative Fusion Inc. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- >> unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 16:42:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E3516A407 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:42:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ggroth@gregs-garage.com) Received: from mail.gregs-garage.com (h-64-105-8-34.chcgilgm.covad.net [64.105.8.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4BC643D8F for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:41:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ggroth@gregs-garage.com) Received: from [10.10.10.124] (localhost.gregs-garage.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail.gregs-garage.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C1B8114027 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:43:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4509873D.70302@gregs-garage.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:45:49 -0500 From: Greg Groth User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <45096C88.4030203@esiee.fr> <20060914153224.GK49058@ns2.wananchi.com> In-Reply-To: <20060914153224.GK49058@ns2.wananchi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Upgrading our mail server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:42:16 -0000 On 9/14/2006 10:32 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > * On 14/09/06 16:51 +0200, Frank Bonnet wrote: > | Hello > | > | Our mailhub is actually a HP DL360 with one processor (Xeon 2.8 ghz) > | with 2 Gb RAM and 120 Gb disks, it is 3 years old. > | > | It runs Postfix + imap + imaps + pop3 + pop3s + squirrelmail + vexira > | antivirus + postgrey > | and some small auxiliary services. > | > | We have approx 2500 users / mailboxes and the machine is often really loaded > | > | So I decided it is time to purchase a new server and I need some feedback > | from > | admins that could help me to choose a new hardware system that could runs > | like > | a charm with FreeBSD 6.1 ? > | > | I need SCSI Disks of course , budget is around 10K$ > > > Your server is good enough to handle even 10k users. You just need to > identify what is causing the overload. Adding one processor and 2GB > extra RAM should be enough, I think. > > If what you want is to get a "new" server thinking it will be fast just > because of the CPU and RAM, then your thinking is ill-advised. > > I have an HP ML350 with one 2.4GHz CPU, 1GB RAM, 2x146GB SCSI HDD > and it runs Exim, courier-imap (pop3/imap), squirrelmail, spamassassin, > ClamAv, MySQL with 8k individual mail accounts on it. The only thing I > feel like updating on it is to double the CPU and double the RAM and > I am sure to run it for longer. > > Do you see my line of thinking? > > > -Wash Are any of the major server brands more FreeBSD friendly than others? I'm looking to purchase a server for some web apps. Our current config is running on a 6 year old Dell PowerEdge machine with SCSI RAID 5, 1 Ghz processor, 32 gig total disk capacity, and a gig of RAM. Upgrading this machine would cost more than it's worth. Boss insists on a name brand server (Dell, HP, Gateway, etc). Budget is in the $2K range. I'd rather stay away from SATA at this point due to the incredible amount of difficulty I experienced putting together a MythTV box earlier this year, and go with SCSI. If no one has specific recommendations, are there any specifics that are definite show stoppers that I should pay attention to when reviewing specs? Best regards, Greg Groth From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 16:53:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0AF616A407 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:53:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD9143D66 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:53:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so2812112wxd for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:53:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.117.3 with SMTP id p3mr3068026wxc; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:53:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net ( [67.189.184.224]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id h9sm13049922wxd.2006.09.14.09.53.20; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:53:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 647FEC019 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 996EDBFE5 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by scorpio.seibercom.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k8EGrGjI030240 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:53:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) From: Gerard Seibert Organization: Seibercom.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:53:04 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <62007.209.103.215.99.1158241221.squirrel@email.polands.org> <20060914160919.GB53648@xor.obsecurity.org> In-Reply-To: <20060914160919.GB53648@xor.obsecurity.org> X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(=?utf-8?q?gxJxxc=0A=09RnSNPNr*/=5E=7EStawWU9KDJ-CT0k=24f=23?=@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart7453669.FhbaNmp3RO"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200609141253.15187.gerard@seibercom.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: Re: BSDStats project, interesting returns from OpenBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: gerard@seibercom.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:53:24 -0000 --nextPart7453669.FhbaNmp3RO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday 14 September 2006 12:09, Kris Kennaway wrote: > One should not conclude anything until the numbers are much larger > than they are now, because small fluctuations from e.g. regional > promotion of bsdstats in one country but not another, or one large > company deploying it on all machine, will dramatically change your > "conclusions". I was just wondering if there is any consensus on adding BSDStats to the=20 base system? If would appear to be a logical step to take so as to insure=20 that all users of FBSD would be counted. An end user could always disable=20 the sending of data by disabling it in the /etc/rc.file. I feel that unless= =20 it is part of the base system and turned on by default, too many users will= =20 never take part in the reporting process. Also, there does not appear to be a 'man' page for BSDStats. Is that=20 correct? Perhaps there should be one. Just my 2=A2. =2D-=20 Gerard Seibert gerard@seibercom.net Be cheerful while you are alive. Phathotep, 24th Century B.C. --nextPart7453669.FhbaNmp3RO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBFCYj6s3R1WQUU6lgRAtNYAKCiQ0HQJyMfzxAZQFOQ25+emi8jDQCgsSzM eu8Mu649BZr8DqdYBMpWd/k= =HE0o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart7453669.FhbaNmp3RO-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 17:00:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5F7D16A4C8 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:00:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from smtp1.utdallas.edu (smtp1.utdallas.edu [129.110.10.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 898BF43D49 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:00:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from utd59514.utdallas.edu (utd59514.utdallas.edu [129.110.3.28]) by smtp1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C757D388E00 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:00:10 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:56:24 -0500 From: Paul Schmehl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <9DD99E0DBF344563E814C50B@utd59514.utdallas.edu> In-Reply-To: <4509873D.70302@gregs-garage.com> References: <45096C88.4030203@esiee.fr> <20060914153224.GK49058@ns2.wananchi.com> <4509873D.70302@gregs-garage.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.5 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; boundary="==========2A1EA59F48375699F49B==========" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Upgrading our mail server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:00:14 -0000 --==========2A1EA59F48375699F49B========== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline --On Thursday, September 14, 2006 11:45:49 -0500 Greg Groth=20 wrote: > > Are any of the major server brands more FreeBSD friendly than others? I'm > looking to purchase a server for some web apps. Our current config is > running on a 6 year old Dell PowerEdge machine with SCSI RAID 5, 1 Ghz > processor, 32 gig total disk capacity, and a gig of RAM. Upgrading this > machine would cost more than it's worth. Boss insists on a name brand > server (Dell, HP, Gateway, etc). Budget is in the $2K range. I'd rather > stay away from SATA at this point due to the incredible amount of > difficulty I experienced putting together a MythTV box earlier this year, > and go with SCSI. If no one has specific recommendations, are there any > specifics that are definite show stoppers that I should pay attention to > when reviewing specs? > I just bought a Dell 1950 rack mount with two 73GB SAS drives (3.5 inch,=20 15K RPM), PERC 5/i integrated card, RAID 1, DRAC, 3.2GB processor, 2GB RAM, = etc. It was $2800+ including shipping. I *think* you can get down to the=20 $2000 range by downgrading the processor and memory and getting smaller=20 drives, but it's not going to be easy. (I'll be installing FreeBSD 6.1=20 RELEASE on it tonight.) Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ --==========2A1EA59F48375699F49B==========-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 17:01:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D72A416A40F for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:01:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8DF543D46 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:01:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) id k8EH12VK067448; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:01:02 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:01:02 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: Kirk Strauser Message-ID: <20060914170101.GB55663@dan.emsphone.com> References: <200609141116.26590.kirk@strauser.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200609141116.26590.kirk@strauser.com> X-OS: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which process is hogging my drives? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:01:04 -0000 In the last episode (Sep 14), Kirk Strauser said: > Some process on my system is really slamming my gstripe volume (so says > systat -iostat and gstat). Is there a relatively easy way to see which > processes are responsible? You can try top in I/O mode. Run top, hit "m", then enter "ototal". -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 17:11:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4473A16A407 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:11:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.grant@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF15A43D45 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:11:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from michael.grant@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 13so1185147nzn for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:11:11 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=MHXni026xI79NUdKlI/kOqzO3ZwRWT+HPI4hWbrx6BBj7VHsxRIdP6olvmY8X1yFBACVutxfy7WBXSCrNH3zqKhEF06y2C/HenyHmyxYA4n94ANZc1r7mNSH28Sq5SzRTXRqC6nQ0gcuypXzXNuzzx3lp8xB2CG9Wi8vhSb2m44= Received: by 10.35.91.10 with SMTP id t10mr3996321pyl; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.124.15 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <62b856460609141011s72e72eah70996448f74e7cd0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:11:10 +0200 From: "Michael Grant" Sender: michael.grant@gmail.com To: "FreeBSD Questions" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1329a83e5e732e93 Subject: cvs question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:11:12 -0000 I'm being driven slowly mad by cvs... I have 3 boxes, one is acting as a cvs server. The "cvs clients" (for lack of a better term) are running 6.1 and should be configured the same. Yet, one machine lets me do a cvs login, the other requires I use cvs -d :psserver:.. with each cvs command. I do not have CVSROOT set on either machine. What I get is this: [#822] cvs login Logging in to :pserver:myname@myserver/home/foo/bar cvs login: authorization failed: server myserver rejected access to /home/foo/bar for user mgrant yet, on the other machine, I get a password prompt and all is fine. Ideas? Suggestions? Michael Grant From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 17:15:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D861A16A415 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:15:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com (mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C6D743D45 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:15:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from collaborativefusion.com (mx01.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.201]) (TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by wingspan with esmtp; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:15:27 -0400 id 0005641C.45098E2F.000132F2 Received: from Internal Mail-Server (206.210.89.202) by mx01 (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 14 Sep 2006 13:12:22 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:15:26 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: "Michael Grant" Message-Id: <20060914131526.733c1985.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> In-Reply-To: <62b856460609141011s72e72eah70996448f74e7cd0@mail.gmail.com> References: <62b856460609141011s72e72eah70996448f74e7cd0@mail.gmail.com> Organization: Collaborative Fusion X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.7 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: cvs question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:15:28 -0000 In response to "Michael Grant" : > I'm being driven slowly mad by cvs... > > I have 3 boxes, one is acting as a cvs server. The "cvs clients" (for > lack of a better term) are running 6.1 and should be configured the > same. Yet, one machine lets me do a cvs login, the other requires I > use cvs -d :psserver:.. with each cvs command. > > I do not have CVSROOT set on either machine. > > What I get is this: > > [#822] cvs login > Logging in to :pserver:myname@myserver/home/foo/bar > cvs login: authorization failed: server myserver rejected access to > /home/foo/bar for user mgrant > > yet, on the other machine, I get a password prompt and all is fine. > > Ideas? Suggestions? Are the UIDs synchronized across machines? Do "id" on each machine and see if the output is the same. Just a thought. -- Bill Moran Collaborative Fusion Inc. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 17:20:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BDB816A415 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:20:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD5E43D45 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:20:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C513D1A4D79; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2ED2D5159A; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:20:16 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: Gerard Seibert Message-ID: <20060914172015.GA54814@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <62007.209.103.215.99.1158241221.squirrel@email.polands.org> <20060914160919.GB53648@xor.obsecurity.org> <200609141253.15187.gerard@seibercom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200609141253.15187.gerard@seibercom.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSDStats project, interesting returns from OpenBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:20:32 -0000 --rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 12:53:04PM -0400, Gerard Seibert wrote: > On Thursday 14 September 2006 12:09, Kris Kennaway wrote: >=20 > > One should not conclude anything until the numbers are much larger > > than they are now, because small fluctuations from e.g. regional > > promotion of bsdstats in one country but not another, or one large > > company deploying it on all machine, will dramatically change your > > "conclusions". >=20 > I was just wondering if there is any consensus on adding BSDStats to the= =20 > base system? If would appear to be a logical step to take so as to insure= =20 > that all users of FBSD would be counted. An end user could always disable= =20 > the sending of data by disabling it in the /etc/rc.file. I feel that unle= ss=20 > it is part of the base system and turned on by default, too many users wi= ll=20 > never take part in the reporting process. I highly doubt that it would be enabled by default in FreeBSD, since many of our users (or their employers) would consider it a privacy breach to have their systems reporting back automatically. Kris --rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFCY9NWry0BWjoQKURAtubAJ9Sdtkj1Ix/uE+uIPp8g63vO+8AmACgpsVv 27W//Z8CYD8G7HSKylZZMis= =oOLq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 17:24:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 658EA16A415 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:24:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.grant@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D16743D4C for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:24:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from michael.grant@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 13so1187789nzn for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:24:06 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=pUSdrACvsokDdV2DQtoDEHe6lcJlzOK5e/zoiQpwKTGmusZRKJ6PvK2uWIZe6mPERzQeWs0/T6ez/hpXYFqsleDBFN5ItM7Rl+mJsnK1whn0rYRFA2xV1XAxSWqKpIsEI2JMlz+7mENonZkFz+GW75KAv+ZHbr2I2tgJT72z+kA= Received: by 10.65.43.17 with SMTP id v17mr7784868qbj; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.124.15 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <62b856460609141024i1f0a21a5w3e4a79b6170ce6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:24:06 +0200 From: "Michael Grant" Sender: michael.grant@gmail.com To: "Bill Moran" In-Reply-To: <20060914131526.733c1985.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <62b856460609141011s72e72eah70996448f74e7cd0@mail.gmail.com> <20060914131526.733c1985.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0e72e817bf2d91e2 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: cvs question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:24:08 -0000 Yes, I'm su'ed on both machines: uid=0(root) gid=0(wheel) groups=0(wheel), 5(operator) -Mike On 9/14/06, Bill Moran wrote: > In response to "Michael Grant" : > > > I'm being driven slowly mad by cvs... > > > > I have 3 boxes, one is acting as a cvs server. The "cvs clients" (for > > lack of a better term) are running 6.1 and should be configured the > > same. Yet, one machine lets me do a cvs login, the other requires I > > use cvs -d :psserver:.. with each cvs command. > > > > I do not have CVSROOT set on either machine. > > > > What I get is this: > > > > [#822] cvs login > > Logging in to :pserver:myname@myserver/home/foo/bar > > cvs login: authorization failed: server myserver rejected access to > > /home/foo/bar for user mgrant > > > > yet, on the other machine, I get a password prompt and all is fine. > > > > Ideas? Suggestions? > > Are the UIDs synchronized across machines? Do "id" on each machine > and see if the output is the same. > > Just a thought. > > -- > Bill Moran > Collaborative Fusion Inc. > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 17:27:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C2B16A412 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:27:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kei-29ij@myamail.com) Received: from bkp.bsdhost.net (bkp.bsdhost.net [66.160.134.99]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A7E243D46 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:27:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kei-29ij@myamail.com) Received: from c-24-61-43-200.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([24.61.43.200] helo=[172.16.2.99]) by bkp.bsdhost.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GNuzE-0002Zj-8y; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:27:28 -0700 In-Reply-To: References: <4065CD1E-54D7-49E3-A532-C312450BA101@myamail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0F0F0306-F9E1-463F-93E0-D711209FEE00@myamail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Fred C! Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:24:41 -0400 To: Chuck Swiger X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with sqlite3 and python X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:27:35 -0000 On Sep 13, 2006, at 7:17 PM, Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Sep 13, 2006, at 3:48 PM, Fred C! wrote: >> Hello I have a problem with Python + sqlite3. My main machine is a >> FreeBSD 6.1 I have also try on an old machine running FreeBSD 5.5 >> and it doesn't work either. I join to this email some information. >> I can also provide a core file if someone is interested in >> solving that problem. >> >> Thanks you for any information on how to solve this > > Not enough data; switch to the thread which crashed, ie got the SIG > 11, and do a "bt" to try to see what was going wrong. > > Note that debugging multithreaded programs is rather difficult, and > you might want to double-check that your basic Python installation > is OK first by running the included self-tests which come with the > Python distribution. If you're using the Python from ports, try > doing: > > cd /usr/ports/lang/python && make > cd /usr/ports/lang/python/work/Python-2.4.3 && make test As I told you in my previews emails all the python tests went with no errors. I have try with using postgres instead of sqlite and I got the same problem hugo:524> gdb /usr/local/bin/python python.core GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "i386-marcel-freebsd"...(no debugging symbols found)... Core was generated by `python'. Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. [... lines deleted ...] Loaded symbols for /usr/local/lib/python2.4/lib-dynload/_bisect.so Reading symbols from /usr/local/lib/python2.4/lib-dynload/md5.so... (no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/local/lib/python2.4/lib-dynload/md5.so Reading symbols from /usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/ psycopgmodule.so...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/ psycopgmodule.so Reading symbols from /usr/local/lib/libpq.so.4...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/local/lib/libpq.so.4 Reading symbols from /lib/libcrypt.so.2...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /lib/libcrypt.so.2 Reading symbols from /usr/local/lib/libintl.so.6...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/local/lib/libintl.so.6 Reading symbols from /usr/local/lib/libiconv.so.3...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/local/lib/libiconv.so.3 Reading symbols from /libexec/ld-elf.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 #0 0x2822f31b in pthread_testcancel () from /usr/lib/libpthread.so.1 (gdb) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 17:29:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5182616A412 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:29:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greenwood.andy@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E86343D7E for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:29:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from greenwood.andy@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 71so940278wri for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:29:38 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JVd0RzzjH7HvuzwUf7BjTdBiNgHwJk5zbuYiWnHA1lVaEG3+uuxeZeX1TS9KksM+r7lmFgD4Iz4MDcbzk8aAXP97jBdyp8dqjHEeZ3Z3AQy8d4eiMDkbLraGnbvxPfgH+YNToL/f96r9oSN/6NLU9nJEJFZ3bTulHK1txHL160o= Received: by 10.90.28.12 with SMTP id b12mr3381730agb; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:29:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.80.18 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:29:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3ee9ca710609141029t3d7b9893t237b6c76ea848d80@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:29:38 -0400 From: "Andy Greenwood" To: "Kris Kennaway" In-Reply-To: <20060914172015.GA54814@xor.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <62007.209.103.215.99.1158241221.squirrel@email.polands.org> <20060914160919.GB53648@xor.obsecurity.org> <200609141253.15187.gerard@seibercom.net> <20060914172015.GA54814@xor.obsecurity.org> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSDStats project, interesting returns from OpenBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:29:46 -0000 What about making it a sysinstall option? Not in the base install, but the option is presented when setting up a new box. On 9/14/06, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 12:53:04PM -0400, Gerard Seibert wrote: > > On Thursday 14 September 2006 12:09, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > > > One should not conclude anything until the numbers are much larger > > > than they are now, because small fluctuations from e.g. regional > > > promotion of bsdstats in one country but not another, or one large > > > company deploying it on all machine, will dramatically change your > > > "conclusions". > > > > I was just wondering if there is any consensus on adding BSDStats to the > > base system? If would appear to be a logical step to take so as to insure > > that all users of FBSD would be counted. An end user could always disable > > the sending of data by disabling it in the /etc/rc.file. I feel that unless > > it is part of the base system and turned on by default, too many users will > > never take part in the reporting process. > > I highly doubt that it would be enabled by default in FreeBSD, since > many of our users (or their employers) would consider it a privacy > breach to have their systems reporting back automatically. > > Kris > > > -- I'm nerdy in the extreme and whiter than sour cream From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 17:32:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D3A16A47B for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:32:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1A1843D70 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:32:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8EHVSgh049080; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:31:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k8EHVSw5049079; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:31:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:31:28 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Paul Schmehl Message-ID: <20060914173127.GB48998@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <45096C88.4030203@esiee.fr> <20060914153224.GK49058@ns2.wananchi.com> <4509873D.70302@gregs-garage.com> <9DD99E0DBF344563E814C50B@utd59514.utdallas.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9DD99E0DBF344563E814C50B@utd59514.utdallas.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrading our mail server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:32:11 -0000 On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 11:56:24AM -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On Thursday, September 14, 2006 11:45:49 -0500 Greg Groth > wrote: > > > >Are any of the major server brands more FreeBSD friendly than others? I'm > >looking to purchase a server for some web apps. Our current config is > >running on a 6 year old Dell PowerEdge machine with SCSI RAID 5, 1 Ghz > >processor, 32 gig total disk capacity, and a gig of RAM. Upgrading this > >machine would cost more than it's worth. Boss insists on a name brand > >server (Dell, HP, Gateway, etc). Budget is in the $2K range. I'd rather > >stay away from SATA at this point due to the incredible amount of > >difficulty I experienced putting together a MythTV box earlier this year, > >and go with SCSI. If no one has specific recommendations, are there any > >specifics that are definite show stoppers that I should pay attention to > >when reviewing specs? There is a company calling itself FreeBSD systems that claims to make servers especially for BSD Unix. I don't know about the price points. I think they are kind of hard core heavy duty servers. Their web site is: http://www.freebsdsystems.com/ I seem to remember once seeing another site that hyped their servers as especially for BSD, but this is the only one I have an address for. The Dell machine mentioned below doesn't sound bad either if all the devices are happy with FreeBSD. ////jerry > > > I just bought a Dell 1950 rack mount with two 73GB SAS drives (3.5 inch, > 15K RPM), PERC 5/i integrated card, RAID 1, DRAC, 3.2GB processor, 2GB RAM, > etc. It was $2800+ including shipping. I *think* you can get down to the > $2000 range by downgrading the processor and memory and getting smaller > drives, but it's not going to be easy. (I'll be installing FreeBSD 6.1 > RELEASE on it tonight.) > > Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) > Adjunct Information Security Officer > The University of Texas at Dallas > http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 17:34:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A5F16A403 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:34:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from atom.powers@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC0943D45 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:34:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atom.powers@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n15so2241398nfc for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:34:14 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=CbHWxR8Ceb+W1BevRqEBk6nnASzDz9EpJ2sKanEarYeYks4MmSOCUfnXqcWMreBjUAK03KDHI5t2m7NAs9Aqz6OZGsALiUuMnKRUidbziwOfSMZn9AFoLi9s7YEne7l6IMqxDDP2q+eBv1749gos32HsldNxFCjF9jf0/Gn7mZM= Received: by 10.48.202.19 with SMTP id z19mr12360601nff; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.67.14 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:34:13 -0700 From: "Atom Powers" To: "FreeBSD Mailing List" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Syslog: all except? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:34:19 -0000 Is it possible to tell syslog to log everything *except* some facility? I have a very noisy service (openldap) that I don't want to log into my all.log; but I still want all.log to catch everything else. Something like this maybe? *.*,!local4.* all.log -- -- Perfection is just a word I use occasionally with mustard. --Atom Powers-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 17:37:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EB1116A4A7 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:37:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A43343D5F for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:37:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3289F1A4D79; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:37:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 889D6514B7; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:37:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:37:24 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: Andy Greenwood Message-ID: <20060914173724.GB55017@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <62007.209.103.215.99.1158241221.squirrel@email.polands.org> <20060914160919.GB53648@xor.obsecurity.org> <200609141253.15187.gerard@seibercom.net> <20060914172015.GA54814@xor.obsecurity.org> <3ee9ca710609141029t3d7b9893t237b6c76ea848d80@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="K8nIJk4ghYZn606h" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3ee9ca710609141029t3d7b9893t237b6c76ea848d80@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: BSDStats project, interesting returns from OpenBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:37:28 -0000 --K8nIJk4ghYZn606h Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 01:29:38PM -0400, Andy Greenwood wrote: > What about making it a sysinstall option? Not in the base install, but > the option is presented when setting up a new box. That's not ruled out, if someone does the work. Kris --K8nIJk4ghYZn606h Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFCZNUWry0BWjoQKURAmwfAKC33CR1/iVtcmCZMdpr8UwjTiTqQQCguPz4 91Cij+CGBfu9V+9Vuh67BlA= =g9FS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --K8nIJk4ghYZn606h-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 17:42:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32F1B16A40F for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:42:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.174]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B31B643D62 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:42:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin01-en2 [10.13.10.146]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout04/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k8EHgeqZ023179; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [17.214.13.96] (a17-214-13-96.apple.com [17.214.13.96]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin01/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k8EHgcWB029598; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:42:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0F0F0306-F9E1-463F-93E0-D711209FEE00@myamail.com> References: <4065CD1E-54D7-49E3-A532-C312450BA101@myamail.com> <0F0F0306-F9E1-463F-93E0-D711209FEE00@myamail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7EEF8AF5-4523-4A12-91EA-0D8FFFD502B0@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chuck Swiger Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:42:37 -0700 To: Fred C! X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-Language-Identified: TRUE Cc: FreeBSD Mailing Lists Subject: Re: Problem with sqlite3 and python X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:42:44 -0000 On Sep 14, 2006, at 10:24 AM, Fred C! wrote: > As I told you in my previews emails all the python tests went with > no errors. Yes. This probably means the problem is not with the basic Python installation and may not be specific to FreeBSD. In other words, you might obtain better results asking on a Python-specific list rather than here. > I have try with using postgres instead of sqlite and I got the same > problem It would help to compile Python and the stuff under /usr/local/lib/ python2.4/site-packages using -g so that gdb has debugging symbols available, and then do a "bt" to try and see where the code is experiencing a crash. -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 17:51:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB8816A4A7 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:51:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cracauer@koef.zs64.net) Received: from koef.zs64.net (koef.zs64.net [212.12.50.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2199943D53 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:51:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cracauer@koef.zs64.net) Received: from koef.zs64.net (koef.zs64.net [212.12.50.230]) by koef.zs64.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id k8EHphJw016997; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:51:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from cracauer@koef.zs64.net) Received: (from cracauer@localhost) by koef.zs64.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id k8EHpdfv016996; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:51:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cracauer) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:51:39 -0400 From: Martin Cracauer To: RJ45 Message-ID: <20060914175139.GA16873@cons.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nocona CPU X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:51:46 -0000 RJ45 wrote on Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 01:47:28AM -0600: > > > Hello I wanted to buildworld and kernel on FReeBSD 6.1 since I have Xeon > cpu, I Wanted to rebuild it with CPUTYPE=nocona > > when I put the oprion in /etc/make.conf upon compilation instead of > -march=nocona is used -march=prescott Expected behavior. Both are Netburst architecture CPUs and Prescott is the only -march for Netburst. > Can anyway really have any kind of improvement using CPUTYPE=nocona for > userland and kernel ? Not over Prescott. In general it is doubtful. Netburst only likes to run very specific code fast and gcc can't do much about it. Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer/ FreeBSD - where you want to go, today. http://www.freebsd.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 17:54:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F1216A47C for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:54:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cracauer@koef.zs64.net) Received: from koef.zs64.net (koef.zs64.net [212.12.50.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D06143DFD for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:54:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cracauer@koef.zs64.net) Received: from koef.zs64.net (koef.zs64.net [212.12.50.230]) by koef.zs64.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id k8EHs9wM017091; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:54:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from cracauer@koef.zs64.net) Received: (from cracauer@localhost) by koef.zs64.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id k8EHs9pd017090; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:54:09 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cracauer) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:54:09 -0400 From: Martin Cracauer To: RJ45 Message-ID: <20060914175409.GB16873@cons.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: memory problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:54:41 -0000 RJ45 wrote on Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 02:24:43AM -0600: > > > Hello, > I am running FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p6 build with buildworld. > > THe system has exactly 4GB of memory but the memory is not complitely > seen by the system. > > At boot thime I Get this warning > > 524288Kb of memory above 4GB ignored > > and then if I check > > real memory = 3757965312 (3583 MB) > avail memory = 3678597120 (3508 MB) You need to enable remapping in the BIOS. The memory between 3-4 GB is partly taken by device space. So you have to re-map that actual RAM there to a position above 4 GB - which is what the BIOS does. Once the memory is above 4 GB you need a 64 bit kernel or a 32 bit kernel with PAE enabled to use it. Works fine for me on several machines, BTW. But the remapping options in the BIOSes are often broken. Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer/ FreeBSD - where you want to go, today. http://www.freebsd.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 18:19:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D8916A407 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:19:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [208.162.254.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F5DB43D49 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:19:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40705968E1; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:19:11 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9zN+nTvUzSYN; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:19:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from janus.daycos.com (outbound.daycos.com [204.26.70.70]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6597895DCF; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:19:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Kirk Strauser To: Dan Nelson Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:19:01 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 References: <200609141116.26590.kirk@strauser.com> <20060914170101.GB55663@dan.emsphone.com> In-Reply-To: <20060914170101.GB55663@dan.emsphone.com> X-Face: T+/_{qmjgbosI0J/e83I~w[&VF'w)!((xEpj///^bA/6?jHHS?nq+T8_+`nh"WnEWCWG, \}]Y2$)) =?utf-8?q?vLVz4ACChrEcb=7DCO=5EtYmMG=5C=0A=09ts=2Em=3F=5B7=5B6OwE*dAJ*9f+m?= =?utf-8?q?X=2E7R32qeN=5EDJ=5C?=(k@evW?IRQCy.^ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2851842.LYD3E7eEYb"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200609141319.06077.kirk@strauser.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which process is hogging my drives? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:19:13 -0000 --nextPart2851842.LYD3E7eEYb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday 14 September 2006 12:01 pm, Dan Nelson wrote: > You can try top in I/O mode. Run top, hit "m", then enter "ototal". That was exactly it. Thanks! =2D-=20 Kirk Strauser --nextPart2851842.LYD3E7eEYb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQBFCZ0a5sRg+Y0CpvERAvcjAJ0QQpJ7YcDqDEEW3GSxs3mHBwmlowCfeyxK UfiOp5QLqknCmSEqXtXh76E= =i4VN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2851842.LYD3E7eEYb-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 18:50:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B3B316A407 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:50:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from skylar@cs.earlham.edu) Received: from quark.cs.earlham.edu (cs.earlham.edu [159.28.230.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE3D43D46 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:50:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from skylar@cs.earlham.edu) Received: from [128.95.231.218] (angband.gs.washington.edu [128.95.231.218]) (authenticated bits=0) by quark.cs.earlham.edu (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k8EIoXBd049800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:50:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from skylar@cs.earlham.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: quark.cs.earlham.edu: Host angband.gs.washington.edu [128.95.231.218] claimed to be [128.95.231.218] Message-ID: <4509A45A.9060409@cs.earlham.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:50:02 -0700 From: Skylar Thompson Organization: Earlham College Computer Science Department User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Moran References: <45096C88.4030203@esiee.fr> <20060914111843.91BC.GERARD@seibercom.net> <4509768C.5030602@esiee.fr> <20060914114608.e130c6a0.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> In-Reply-To: <20060914114608.e130c6a0.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigCE4EC8392A7BCE2A3A3FB846" X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.6 (quark.cs.earlham.edu [159.28.230.3]); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:50:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/1623/Wed Jul 26 18:35:11 2006 on quark.cs.earlham.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 159.28.230.3 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=8.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on quark.cs.earlham.edu Cc: Frank Bonnet , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SCSI vs. SATA (was Re: Upgrading our mail server) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: skylar@cs.earlham.edu List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:50:55 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigCE4EC8392A7BCE2A3A3FB846 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill Moran wrote: > > Has anyone every verified whether or not SATA has the problems that pla= gued > ATA? Such as crappy quality and lying caches? > > Personally, I still demand SCSI on production servers because it still > seems as if: > a) The performance is still better > b) The reliability is still better > > But I haven't taken a comprehensive look at the SATA offerings. It als= o > seems as if SATA is more limiting. Most SCSI cards can support 16 > devices, does SATA have similar offerings? I know it's not common, but= > if you need that many spindles, you need them! I've used 15-drive SATA Promise arrays with some success. They come in both Fibre Channel and SCSI varieties, and are about $10k with 400GB SATA drives. I've run them up to ~170MB/s with RAID-5, which is more than enough for me. You get the best of both the SATA and SCSI/FC worlds.= --=20 -- Skylar Thompson (skylar@cs.earlham.edu) -- http://www.cs.earlham.edu/~skylar/ --------------enigCE4EC8392A7BCE2A3A3FB846 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (SunOS) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFCaRasc4yyULgN4YRAmgMAJ9+Ks2juSADrUFtu1uaPDj1P18rzgCfebkE lFj6ZSPLOuNDrtPdbOQQC+I= =Eigo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigCE4EC8392A7BCE2A3A3FB846-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 19:11:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4515216A415 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:11:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from questions@totaldiver.net) Received: from mail.totaldiver.net (fl-209-26-20-205.sta.embarqhsd.net [209.26.20.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3302443D6E for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:11:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from questions@totaldiver.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.totaldiver.net [127.0.0.1]) by mail.totaldiver.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27A39C6EA for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.totaldiver.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.totaldiver.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 51104-05 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.totaldiver.net (localhost.totaldiver.net [127.0.0.1]) by mail.totaldiver.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CFA9C678 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 69.45.95.126 (proxying for 127.0.0.1) (SquirrelMail authenticated user questions@totaldiver.net) by mail.totaldiver.net with HTTP; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <50558.69.45.95.126.1158261096.squirrel@mail.totaldiver.net> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:11:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeff Palmer" To: questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard Cc: Subject: Squid +pf +if_bridge X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:11:37 -0000 Hello all, I'm using freebsd 6.1 as a bridge (if_bridge) The interfaces are vr0 (plugged into the DSL modem) and rl0 (plugged into the switch, to the rest of the network On the bridge, I'm attempting to use pf to "rdr" all http requests from my lan, to squid (actually dansguardian) I have squid configured correctly.. and it was working fine. I *had* pf working correctly, and redirecting the requests. Last night, I re-IP'd my network. it used to be 192.168.1.* now it's 10.23.230.* (this was done for different reasons) I made the appropriate changes in pf.conf, and rc.conf to set the new IP on the bridge. Problem: all attempts to browse the web, simply time out. tcpdump shows: 000874 rule 6/0(match): pass in on vr0: 10.23.230.254 > 10.23.230.5: ICMP net 10.23.230.26 unreachable, length 36 000005 rule 6/0(match): pass in on bridge0: 10.23.230.254 > 10.23.230.5: ICMP net 10.23.230.26 unreachable, length 36 000022 rule 7/0(match): pass out on rl0: 64.233.179.99 > 10.23.230.5: ICMP net 64.233.179.99 unreachable, length 36 However, this only occurs with the redirect. if I insert the proxy IP/port in my web browser, it works fine. Diagnostics: 10.23.230.254 is DSL modem 10.23.230.26 is the bridge/squid box 10.23.230.5 is the workstation trying to browse the net. from th bridge, I can ping all internal IP's, and external (internet) IP's with no problem. From the DSL modem, I can ping all machines on the internet, and also all machines behind the bridge. from the workstation, I can ping the bridge, the DSL modem, and all internet hosts.. I see no apparent reason that the tcpdump output shows ICMP unreachable between *.254 and *.5 Has anyone run into this before? if so, any idea how to resolve it? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 19:17:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4927316A403 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:17:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.225]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 929A743D45 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:17:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so2851286wxd for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:17:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.67.10 with SMTP id p10mr13116627wxa; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net ( [67.189.184.224]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id h8sm2618514wxd.2006.09.14.12.15.32; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF7A6C019 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 058E2BFE5 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by scorpio.seibercom.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k8EJFSAf035476 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:15:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) From: Gerard Seibert Organization: Seibercom.net To: FreeBSD Question Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:15:16 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <62007.209.103.215.99.1158241221.squirrel@email.polands.org> <20060914172015.GA54814@xor.obsecurity.org> <3ee9ca710609141029t3d7b9893t237b6c76ea848d80@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3ee9ca710609141029t3d7b9893t237b6c76ea848d80@mail.gmail.com> X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(=?utf-8?q?gxJxxc=0A=09RnSNPNr*/=5E=7EStawWU9KDJ-CT0k=24f=23?=@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart4123685.RTihek7mCW"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200609141515.25539.gerard@seibercom.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: Re: BSDStats project, interesting returns from OpenBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: gerard@seibercom.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:17:05 -0000 --nextPart4123685.RTihek7mCW Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday 14 September 2006 13:29, Andy Greenwood wrote: > What about making it a sysinstall option? Not in the base install, but > the option is presented when setting up a new box. > > On 9/14/06, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 12:53:04PM -0400, Gerard Seibert wrote: > > > On Thursday 14 September 2006 12:09, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > > One should not conclude anything until the numbers are much larger > > > > than they are now, because small fluctuations from e.g. regional > > > > promotion of bsdstats in one country but not another, or one large > > > > company deploying it on all machine, will dramatically change your > > > > "conclusions". > > > > > > I was just wondering if there is any consensus on adding BSDStats to > > > the base system? If would appear to be a logical step to take so as > > > to insure that all users of FBSD would be counted. An end user could > > > always disable the sending of data by disabling it in the > > > /etc/rc.file. I feel that unless it is part of the base system and > > > turned on by default, too many users will never take part in the > > > reporting process. > > > > I highly doubt that it would be enabled by default in FreeBSD, since > > many of our users (or their employers) would consider it a privacy > > breach to have their systems reporting back automatically. That is sort of what I meant. Have it installed as part of the base system= =20 in much the same manner as portsnap is. The required entry would be placed= =20 in the /etc/rc.conf file but commented out or set to 'NO', which ever=20 method is felt to be better. Perhaps the initial MOTD might reference it=20 and point to where more info regarding it might be found. Just a suggestion and please don't top post. It makes it hard to follow a=20 thread. =2D-=20 Gerard A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read test. Q: Why is top posting such a bad idea? A: Top posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? TOPIC: Posting Etiquette --nextPart4123685.RTihek7mCW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBFCapNs3R1WQUU6lgRAmdvAJ44f1vOXsk+E4hkdGpqf47Au0boDwCgx4pq qk2E8blc66yzVVor/NP+B+4= =6w8G -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart4123685.RTihek7mCW-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 19:29:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17DA916A412 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:29:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dead_line@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s34.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s34.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B558B43D45 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:29:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dead_line@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.175.18]) by bay0-omc1-s34.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:29:19 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:29:16 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.175.200 by by104fd.bay104.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:29:13 GMT X-Originating-IP: [195.39.129.173] X-Originating-Email: [dead_line@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dead_line@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <44ejujm9dz.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> From: "Marwan Sultan" To: freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:29:13 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2006 19:29:16.0245 (UTC) FILETIME=[110AB050:01C6D834] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 6.1 shutting down. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:29:20 -0000 hello Lowell, thank you for your reply, i wish you could find some solution for me i tried to google the net, and found many results for atapci1: failed to enable memory mapping! but most with no solutions. here is the dmesg, Copyright (c) 1992-2006 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE #0: Thu Aug 17 07:53:54 AST 2006 admin@192.168.0.2:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/MYKERNEL ACPI APIC Table: Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.40GHz (3406.70-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0xf41 Stepping = 1 Features=0xbfebfbff Features2=0x641d> AMD Features=0x20100000 Logical CPUs per core: 2 real memory = 1063669760 (1014 MB) avail memory = 1031925760 (984 MB) ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 2 ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard kbd1 at kbdmux0 acpi0: on motherboard acpi0: Power Button (fixed) Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x408-0x40b on acpi0 cpu0: on acpi0 acpi_button0: on acpi0 pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 pci0: at device 2.0 (no driver attached) pci0: at device 27.0 (no driver attached) pcib1: at device 28.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 pcib2: at device 28.2 on pci0 pci2: on pcib2 pcib3: at device 28.3 on pci0 pci3: on pcib3 uhci0: port 0x2080-0x209f irq 23 at device 29.0 on pci0 uhci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb0: on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci1: port 0x2060-0x207f irq 19 at device 29.1 on pci0 uhci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb1: on uhci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci2: port 0x2040-0x205f irq 18 at device 29.2 on pci0 uhci2: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb2: on uhci2 usb2: USB revision 1.0 uhub2: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci3: port 0x2020-0x203f irq 16 at device 29.3 on pci0 uhci3: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb3: on uhci3 usb3: USB revision 1.0 uhub3: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub3: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ehci0: mem 0x501c4000-0x501c43ff irq 23 at device 29.7 on pci0 ehci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb4: EHCI version 1.0 usb4: companion controllers, 2 ports each: usb0 usb1 usb2 usb3 usb4: on ehci0 usb4: USB revision 2.0 uhub4: Intel EHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub4: 8 ports with 8 removable, self powered pcib4: at device 30.0 on pci0 pci4: on pcib4 vr0: port 0x1000-0x10ff mem 0x50001000-0x500010ff irq 22 at device 1.0 on pci4 miibus0: on vr0 ukphy0: on miibus0 ukphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto vr0: Ethernet address: 00:15:e9:a5:ad:17 fxp0: port 0x1100-0x113f mem 0x50000000-0x50000fff irq 20 at device 8.0 on pci4 miibus1: on fxp0 inphy0: on miibus1 inphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto fxp0: Ethernet address: 00:16:76:68:fa:53 isab0: at device 31.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0x20b0-0x20bf irq 18 at device 31.1 on pci0 ata0: on atapci0 ata1: on atapci0 atapci1: port 0x20c8-0x20cf,0x20ec-0x20ef,0x20c0-0x20c7,0x20e8-0x20eb,0x20a0-0x20af irq 19 at device 31.2 on pci0 atapci1: failed to enable memory mapping! ata2: on atapci1 ata3: on atapci1 pci0: at device 31.3 (no driver attached) ppc0: port 0x378-0x37f,0x778-0x77f irq 7 on acpi0 ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/8 bytes threshold ppbus0: on ppc0 plip0: on ppbus0 lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: on ppbus0 sio0: <16550A-compatible COM port> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 sio0: type 16550A pmtimer0 on isa0 orm0: at iomem 0xcb000-0xcc7ff,0xcc800-0xcd7ff on isa0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio1: port may not be enabled vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 Timecounter "TSC" frequency 3406697941 Hz quality 800 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec ipfw2 (+ipv6) initialized, divert loadable, rule-based forwarding disabled, default to accept, logging unlimited ad6: 152627MB at ata3-master SATA150 Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad6s1a ukbd0: CHESEN USB Keyboard, rev 1.10/1.10, addr 2, iclass 3/1 kbd2 at ukbd0 uhid0: CHESEN USB Keyboard, rev 1.10/1.10, addr 2, iclass 3/1 > > Hello everyone, > > > > I'm On FreeBSD 6.1R, the box is intel945 extra Dlink NIC > > P4.3 1G DDR2, 160GB sata. > > > > running Freeradius, chillispot, MySql 4.1, apache2. > > acting as NAT and hotspot login. > > > > there is two diffrent servers with the same specifications. > > > > Its was working fine starting from day 1 to day 5 uptime. > > and the other box from day 1 to 3, > > with almost 30 users as hotspot login. > > > > On day 5, it had a sudden shutdown, some users called me reported > > there is no internet > > when i checked the server i discovered the box is off power. > > > > The second box after 3 days had the same problem. > > > > when i started the power, for both...again it start to work in a >goodway. > > > > I was shocked.. checked messages, dmesg, and almost everything I > > couldnot find any clue > > in logs.. so > > question 1, How would i check what happened for this power shutting >down? > >Did the filesystems come up clean? That would be a hint that the >kernel shut down on purpose. [I wouldn't expect it, since you said >there were no hints in the logs, but it's worth checking. > >Next step is probably to set up a serial console and see if anything >useful is showing up there when the shutdown occurs. Also try to get >and track any information about system temperature, voltage, and so >on; these kinds of phantom powerdowns are usually power trouble in my >experience. > > > 2) > > in my dmesg and since i was settingup the box, the following error > > was always coming and on > > single line > > > > atapci1: failed to enable memory mapping! > >I can't find that message in the -STABLE sources. Admittedly, it was >a very quick search, but are you sure you copied it exactly? >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to >"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 19:34:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0CBE16A407 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:34:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 657A443D49 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:34:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE661A3C20; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5E78051448; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:34:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:34:44 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: Marwan Sultan Message-ID: <20060914193444.GA56615@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <44ejujm9dz.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 6.1 shutting down. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:34:45 -0000 --1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 07:29:13PM +0000, Marwan Sultan wrote: > hello Lowell, >=20 > thank you for your reply, i wish you could find some solution for me > i tried to google the net, and found many results for atapci1: failed t= o=20 > enable memory mapping! > but most with no solutions. I doubt it's the cause of the problems; most likely you have some other failing hardware component (bad memory, power supply, etc). Check the archives for extensive discussion. Kris P.S. Don't top-post, it spoils the logical flow of the thread. --1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFCa7TWry0BWjoQKURAi43AJoDpIqvG0hFTZeSNWQv14WstwTFpQCcDiMm t8v3i3DmmUQ9Kps+K1fmcaw= =l5p0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 19:53:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7CB316A403 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:53:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pnestora@ee.duth.gr) Received: from mail.duth.gr (mail.duth.gr [192.108.114.110]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E94D943D5A for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:53:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pnestora@ee.duth.gr) Received: from [192.168.8.10] (r-esties.xan.duth.gr [193.92.238.254]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.duth.gr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8EJr7ol001022 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:53:16 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from pnestora@ee.duth.gr) Message-ID: <4509B33B.80604@ee.duth.gr> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:53:31 +0300 From: Panagiotis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 192.108.114.110 X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mail.duth.gr [192.108.114.110]); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:53:18 +0300 (EEST) Subject: Re: Under Attack: Bandwidth throttling on 5.2.1? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:53:22 -0000 Chris wrote: > This is probably going to tax the memory. I'm sorry in advance. > > We observed 2 hangs and 3 crashes in the last 5 hours and finally > after looking at the nature of the traffic, it appears to be little > infested windows spybots from all over targeting our forums to > attempt to reply to all messages with gambling and other spam. The > referer in every case is a few obvious spam sites. We measured 33 > pages per second and all invoking perl (well you can image the load). > It's killed the system in several was I've never even seen. We > shutdown on purpose for the first time in years which is pretty bad > for business. I'm readying the quad opteron tyan to take down and > shove in it's place since the T1 can't swamp it, but still building. > The machine is a dual 3.0 xeon with 4G and Intel 1000/Pro on 5.2.1 > with IPFW enabled. If I can configure throttling on this old a > system, we could come back up I think and try ride out the attack. > I've never done this before but in an earlier thread I saw where you > configure a pipe such as: > > ipfw pipe 1 config bw 256Kbit/s > ipfw add pipe 1 tcp from 192.168.1.2 80 > > then set sysctl.conf > net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass=1 > > Is that is all that's necessary for this old a system or is there > anything else. If this is correct, would this keep this fellow from > crashing To use traffic shaping with IPFW you have to compile the kernel with the following options: options DUMMYNET options HZ=1000 then you can add some lines like these to make your bandwidth limit to work: #first flush all the previous pipes ipfw -q -f pipe flush ipfw pipe 1 config bw 256Kbit/s ipfw add pipe 1 tcp from any to any usually we use two pipes, one for download and one for upload so you can try something like this: #first flush all the previous pipes ipfw -q -f pipe flush #upload bandwidth+download bandwidth=total bandwidth #pipe for upload ipfw pipe 1 config bw 128Kbit/s #pipe for download ipfw pipe 2 config bw 256Kbit/s server_port="20,21,80,443,995,...,etc" internal_network="192.168.0.0" #config upload ipfw add pipe 1 tcp from $internal_network to any $server_port #config upload ipfw add pipe 2 tcp from any $server_port to $internal_network The variables "server_port" and "internal_network" are examples of course... :-) If you are running natd on your machine the you have to put rules AFTER the divert natd rule like these: ipfw add pipe 1 tcp from {external_ip} to any $server_port ipfw add pipe 2 tcp from any $server_port to $internal_network The net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass=1 must be set if you want your traffic to pass from pipes and not continue at next rules.... Sorry for my bad english.... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 20:06:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC0116A40F for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:06:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eagletree@hughes.net) Received: from n126.sc0.cp.net (smtpout1083.sc0.he.tucows.com [64.97.144.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE9D43D45 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:06:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from eagletree@hughes.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (67.47.213.85) by n126.sc0.cp.net (7.2.069.1) (authenticated as eagletree@hughes.net) id 4508EEB600035A56 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:06:40 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4509B33B.80604@ee.duth.gr> References: <4509B33B.80604@ee.duth.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:06:34 -0700 To: freeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Subject: Re: Under Attack: Bandwidth throttling on 5.2.1? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:06:42 -0000 On Sep 14, 2006, at 12:53 PM, Panagiotis wrote: > Chris wrote: > >> ...system, we could come back up I think and try ride out the >> attack. I've never done this before but in an earlier thread I >> saw where you configure a pipe such as: >> >> ipfw pipe 1 config bw 256Kbit/s >> ipfw add pipe 1 tcp from 192.168.1.2 80 >> >> then set sysctl.conf >> net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass=1 >> >> Is that is all that's necessary for this old a system or is there >> anything else. If this is correct, would this keep this fellow >> from crashing > > To use traffic shaping with IPFW you have to compile the kernel > with the following options: > > options DUMMYNET > options HZ=1000 > > then you can add some lines like these to make your bandwidth limit > to work: > > #first flush all the previous pipes > ipfw -q -f pipe flush > > ipfw pipe 1 config bw 256Kbit/s > ipfw add pipe 1 tcp from any to any > > usually we use two pipes, one for download and one for upload so > you can try something like this: > > > #first flush all the previous pipes > ipfw -q -f pipe flush > > #upload bandwidth+download bandwidth=total bandwidth > #pipe for upload > ipfw pipe 1 config bw 128Kbit/s > #pipe for download > ipfw pipe 2 config bw 256Kbit/s > > server_port="20,21,80,443,995,...,etc" > internal_network="192.168.0.0" > > #config upload > ipfw add pipe 1 tcp from $internal_network to any $server_port > #config upload > ipfw add pipe 2 tcp from any $server_port to $internal_network > > The variables "server_port" and "internal_network" are examples of > course... :-) > If you are running natd on your machine the you have to put rules > AFTER the divert natd rule like these: > ipfw add pipe 1 tcp from {external_ip} to any $server_port > ipfw add pipe 2 tcp from any $server_port to $internal_network > > The net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass=1 must be set if you want your traffic > to pass from pipes and not continue at next rules.... > > Sorry for my bad english.... > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Thank you very much. Even rejecting the requests by referer has only lessened the impact on the system and we are occasionally rebooting. It has not let up all night. I will implement. Thank you again. Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 20:18:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED7F616A403 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:18:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@philip.pjkh.com) Received: from bravo.pjkh.com (bravo.pjkh.com [72.36.232.219]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B40343D46 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:18:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@philip.pjkh.com) Received: from bravo.pjkh.com (bravo.pjkh.com [72.36.232.219]) by bravo.pjkh.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 648AF13D76F; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:24:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: by bravo.pjkh.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3211313D76D; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:24:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bravo.pjkh.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B3B13C828; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:24:28 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:24:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Philip Hallstrom To: Atom Powers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060914152409.Q81572@bravo.pjkh.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Syslog: all except? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:18:11 -0000 > Is it possible to tell syslog to log everything *except* some facility? > I have a very noisy service (openldap) that I don't want to log into > my all.log; but I still want all.log to catch everything else. > > Something like this maybe? > *.*,!local4.* all.log *.*,local4.none all.log From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 20:44:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A3D716A403; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:44:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF7243D46; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:44:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.208.251]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B843A464A; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:43:52 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 60175-08; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:42:36 -0300 (ADT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-137-86-60.eastlink.ca [24.137.86.60]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89AA53A40C7; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:42:36 -0300 (ADT) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1027) id D42AF5C451; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:42:51 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC6D48168; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:42:51 -0300 (ADT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:42:51 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" X-X-Sender: freebsd@ganymede.hub.org To: Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg In-Reply-To: <45091621.9040200@401.cx> Message-ID: <20060914174009.A1031@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20060908220122.E96260@ganymede.hub.org> <200609140817.k8E8H1vK091852@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <45091621.9040200@401.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Olivier Nicole , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:44:06 -0000 On Thu, 14 Sep 2006, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: > Olivier Nicole wrote: >>> Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to push >>> the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes reporting >>> from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then OpenBSD ... >> >> 6 days later: Thailand jumped from 12 machines to 110... ahead of >> France and Australia. > > This is a long shot, but couldn't it just be that a portal or > usergroup of some kind started promoting bsdstats? > Lets say a BSD usergroup in Thailand posted a notice on the first > page about bsdstats. The usergroup has 200 visitors a day and half > of them decides to follow the advice and install bsdstats. That > would explain the sudden burst of 100 machines. > > Another plausible explanation is that an administrator of some > network with 100 or so workstations or servers decided to push out > bsdstats as a nightly upgrade or similar. > > It does not seem totally impossible to me, alltough I would not base > any major decision on those figures without checking them first. At only 5000 hosts, I wouldn't be basing any decisions anyway ... I'd like to see 10x that number, and consistently, every month before reading *too* much into them ... Its only been running about 30 days so far, so @ 5k hosts so far, and most of those *since* Sept 1st, it shouldn't take us too long ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 21:12:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A58B16A407 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:12:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E510743D6D for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:12:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GNyUv-000368-O1 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 23:11:49 +0200 Received: from 65.213.7.6 ([65.213.7.6]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 23:11:49 +0200 Received: from scott by 65.213.7.6 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 23:11:49 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Scott I. Remick" Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:11:29 -0400 Lines: 81 Message-ID: <6q5x1xs2wmm2$.1c0v1qtotpuz1.dlg@40tude.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.213.7.6 User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.1 X-Archive: encrypt Sender: news Subject: Cannot route mail through an internal Exch5.5 SMTP server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:12:03 -0000 I am at my wits end with this... help please! FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE Sendmail 8.13.6 (base) I'm trying to accomplish what should be simple: 1) all outgoing From: email addresses should be stamped @ourdomain.com and not @server.corpdomain.com 2) All emails should be routed through the corp SMTP server (runs MS Exchange 5.5.2658.3). Users use Outlook clients to connect to the corp Exchange system and this SMTP server is our only gateway into it. I'm a bit rusty on my Sendmail and .mc stuff (I really haven't done much with managing email flow, sendmail or other MTAs) so I tried to brush up online as best I can, but I don't remember it being this hard in the past. At this point, here are the things I've put in my .mc file (I'm sure at least some is redundant or not needed/applicable, but this is the result of trying more and more ideas): define(`SMART_HOST', `internal.corp.smtp') define(`LOCAL_RELAY', `internal.corp.smtp') FEATURE(masquerade_envelope) FEATURE(always_add_domain) FEATURE(`masquerade_entire_domain') FEATURE(`allmasquerade') MAILER(local) MAILER(smtp) MASQUERADE_AS(`ourdomain.com.') MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(`outdomain.com.') (and did the required "make install" in /etc/mail to apply it) resolv.conf has the corp DNS servers in it. I can use ping and host on internal.corp.smtp and it resolves to the proper IP address. I also tried putting them into /etc/hosts along with entries for the versions of the name with the ending dot. 10.xxx.xxx.xxx internal.corp.smtp internal 10.xxx.xxx.xxx internal.corp.smtp. 10.xxx.xxx.xxx internal. I've even done up mailertable (plus the hash) with the following line: .ourdomain.com smtp:internal.corp.smtp This was the result of some stuff I read on the web regarding the error. Anyways, here is the problem that persists after all that: Sep 14 15:25:04 bugzilla sm-mta[67919]: k8EJOhhB067917: to=, delay=00:00:21, xdelay=00:00:20, mailer=relay, pri=30985, relay=internal.corp.smtp., dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Name server: internal.corp.smtp.: host name lookup failure First of all, not sure why it's adding the trailing dot, but hence my additions to the /etc/hosts file. Secondly: how can it not resolve? bugzilla# host internal.corp.smtp internal.corp.smtp has address 10.xxx.xxx.xxx bugzilla# host internal.corp.smtp. internal.corp.smtp has address 10.xxx.xxx.xxx my /etc/nsswitch.conf file: group: compat group_compat: nis hosts: files dns networks: files passwd: compat passwd_compat: nis shells: files And not that it applies here... but I can telnet to the SMTP server on port 25, type out a session manually and send an email that way. So ultimately it can work. I just don't get this quirky name-resolution problem. I searched on Google and came up with tons of stuff on this, lots of people asking about it but not a lot of answers... I've tried the ones I've found, but a lot of discussions fell dead without the problem being solved. I'm hoping a fellow FreeBSD user (who knows more than me) might help guide me to a solution. Any ideas? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 21:16:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BA5916A580 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:16:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.26.172.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C83DC43D73 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:16:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id k8ELG3Pv070351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:16:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id k8ELG3W5070349; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA01301; Thu, 14 Sep 06 14:07:56 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Sep 06 14:07:56 PDT From: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) Message-Id: <10609142107.AA01301@pluto.rain.com> To: kris@obsecurity.org In-Reply-To: <20060914160534.GA53648@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <10609140727.AA28689@pluto.rain.com> <20060914160534.GA53648@xor.obsecurity.org> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mount_ext2fs returning ENODEV on 6.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:16:35 -0000 > > # ll /dev/ad0s7 > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 93 Sep 4 02:30 /dev/ad0s7 > > # file -s /dev/ad0s7 > > /dev/ad0s7: Linux rev 1.0 ext2 filesystem data > > # grep -w ad0s7 /etc/fstab > > /dev/ad0s7 /linux ext2fs ro 0 0 > > # ll -d /linux > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 24 12:09 /linux > > # mount /linux > > mount_ext2fs: /dev/ad0s7: Operation not supported by device > > No ext2fs support in your kernel? I had not thought that was the problem, since according to something in the docs or manpages -- which I now cannot locate -- missing kernel support should have resulted in a different message. How would I check, to be sure? I am using the kernel from the installation CD, not one I have built: # uname -a FreeBSD fbsd61 6.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE #0: Sun May 7 04:32:43 UTC 2006 root@opus.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 21:25:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B85816A403 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:25:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC6D43D45 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:25:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 5189 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2006 21:25:19 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 14 Sep 2006 21:25:19 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 532FE2842A; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:25:18 -0400 (EDT) To: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) References: <10609140727.AA28689@pluto.rain.com> <20060914160534.GA53648@xor.obsecurity.org> <10609142107.AA01301@pluto.rain.com> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:25:18 -0400 In-Reply-To: <10609142107.AA01301@pluto.rain.com> (Perry Hutchison's message of "Thu, 14 Sep 06 14:07:56 PDT") Message-ID: <44u03auon5.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mount_ext2fs returning ENODEV on 6.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:25:20 -0000 perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) writes: >> > # ll /dev/ad0s7 >> > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 93 Sep 4 02:30 /dev/ad0s7 >> > # file -s /dev/ad0s7 >> > /dev/ad0s7: Linux rev 1.0 ext2 filesystem data >> > # grep -w ad0s7 /etc/fstab >> > /dev/ad0s7 /linux ext2fs ro 0 0 >> > # ll -d /linux >> > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 24 12:09 /linux >> > # mount /linux >> > mount_ext2fs: /dev/ad0s7: Operation not supported by device >> >> No ext2fs support in your kernel? > > I had not thought that was the problem, since according to > something in the docs or manpages -- which I now cannot locate > -- missing kernel support should have resulted in a different > message. How would I check, to be sure? I am using the kernel > from the installation CD, not one I have built: > > # uname -a > FreeBSD fbsd61 6.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE #0: Sun May 7 04:32:43 UTC 2006 root@opus.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 The standard kernel doesn't have ext2fs support now; I doubt the 6.1 release was different. Try loading it as a module; "kldload ext2fs". From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 21:39:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8084016A403 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:39:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AF8943D6D for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:39:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65AAF1A4D79; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:39:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B98D951541; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:39:54 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: Perry Hutchison Message-ID: <20060914213954.GA58176@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <10609140727.AA28689@pluto.rain.com> <20060914160534.GA53648@xor.obsecurity.org> <10609142107.AA01301@pluto.rain.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <10609142107.AA01301@pluto.rain.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, kris@obsecurity.org Subject: Re: mount_ext2fs returning ENODEV on 6.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:39:59 -0000 --mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 02:07:56PM -0700, Perry Hutchison wrote: > > > # ll /dev/ad0s7 > > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 93 Sep 4 02:30 /dev/ad0s7 > > > # file -s /dev/ad0s7 > > > /dev/ad0s7: Linux rev 1.0 ext2 filesystem data > > > # grep -w ad0s7 /etc/fstab > > > /dev/ad0s7 /linux ext2fs ro 0 0 > > > # ll -d /linux > > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 24 12:09 /linux > > > # mount /linux > > > mount_ext2fs: /dev/ad0s7: Operation not supported by device > >=20 > > No ext2fs support in your kernel? >=20 > I had not thought that was the problem, since according to > something in the docs or manpages -- which I now cannot locate > -- missing kernel support should have resulted in a different > message. How would I check, to be sure? I am using the kernel > from the installation CD, not one I have built: Then you don't have kernel support, since it's not enabled by default (the ext2 code is under the GPL and cannot be distributed in a BSD-licensed kernel). Recompile your kernel or load the module per the handbook. Kris --mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFCcwqWry0BWjoQKURAj9yAJ9nR9FlZ9LFBCFp37jegCcevBMV6ACfcZnO QUBMr1KfJtqQLDZmmQ2ktEM= =6HPh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 21:57:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5560D16A407 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:57:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: from web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B20943D5C for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:57:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 8115 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Sep 2006 21:57:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GHB5IFFEjcl8g7QNmhivOzMkU4t/6f57YuQrXj6mw4qwKHwl6iIUToTiXjygdxx0XlRfB55QKuCYzierx1DeYV3kX8beTAMui5JxnWF6disXkNI7njGdAm8Rp5ajpeV9rYDE+tO55/0Zyq9gaTfa4wuEj45KkjWjZY9Nvjipesg= ; Message-ID: <20060914215728.8113.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.189.184.224] by web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:57:28 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:57:28 -0700 (PDT) From: White Hat To: FreeBSD Users Questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Firefox+Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:57:37 -0000 FreeBSD 6.1 I have been trying to get a few of my friends to try FBSD on their PCs without much success. One of the major problems is the inability to get flash to work properly to display videos available on Google. I know that the linux-flash port is marked broken, so that it out. How else can I get flash to work so I can perhaps persuade them to try FBSD? I have KDE and Firefox installed obviously. I tried loading a few of the flash packages available in the ports, but they did not not seem to work. Thanks! -- White Hat pigskin_referee@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 22:23:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DADA16A412 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:23:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from petermatulis@yahoo.ca) Received: from web60119.mail.yahoo.com (web60119.mail.yahoo.com [209.73.178.87]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8EAEE43D45 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:23:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from petermatulis@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 41830 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Sep 2006 22:23:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Ymv1FcTJIAtk+C7/CRF3zUuq3kip9fDnGuUvt5tEN2s9Cmksm0lPPZxWL+RKaxHexWCdzMzbCH+bbjQTqKkFteIWmfWAsTPD/sN4+Pmb9MFD8Y5dHj+/GsAjHENDf6+el3Wuz569jZVJOCt1Vg90ttIiimDFHBho6QMMflx7eGE= ; Message-ID: <20060914222340.41828.qmail@web60119.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.243.80.243] by web60119.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:23:40 EDT Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:23:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter To: White Hat , FreeBSD Users Questions In-Reply-To: <20060914215728.8113.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:23:42 -0000 --- White Hat wrote: > FreeBSD 6.1 > > I have been trying to get a few of my friends to try > FBSD on their PCs without much success. One of the > major problems is the inability to get flash to work > properly to display videos available on Google. I know > that the linux-flash port is marked broken, so that it > out. How else can I get flash to work so I can perhaps > persuade them to try FBSD? Yes, the Flash issue is a real bummer. It is best *not* to show your friends that when you introduce them to FBSD. Peter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 22:54:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 971ED16A40F for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:54:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.175]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B9043D45 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:54:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin04-en2 [10.13.10.149]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout05/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k8EMsftZ013409; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:54:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [17.214.13.96] (a17-214-13-96.apple.com [17.214.13.96]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin04/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k8EMsdCC022828; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:54:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20060914222340.41828.qmail@web60119.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060914222340.41828.qmail@web60119.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <407F2CFB-1DED-4466-86E2-ACD171AD07CC@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chuck Swiger Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:54:38 -0700 To: Peter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Cc: White Hat , FreeBSD Users Questions Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:54:42 -0000 On Sep 14, 2006, at 3:23 PM, Peter wrote: > Yes, the Flash issue is a real bummer. It is best *not* to show your > friends that when you introduce them to FBSD. Why? Is there some reason that you or they want to watch ads? I can't think of a single site that I use that needs Flash; I don't install it even on a Windows or MacOS X box. -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 22:56:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 073F516A415 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:56:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from buhnux@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF6C243D5A for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:56:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from buhnux@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so3494548pye for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:56:30 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=ewHZ5wo2Itl0NFsZBGck2Xdp8COBzHiQ6A1nOrV18y6VejiWLRsKQ1INRuVZkWRz+2ueM4ucm3yDYSoFrmGrY83xQByxGMLBgnlKFGVT0vZwUxloNTVentP+L86oZnxXhjcpjV8HmGJHOtQzePbLyYQUdGjxabV4UNy8lzTmUz8= Received: by 10.35.46.11 with SMTP id y11mr15955976pyj; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:56:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.90.6 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:56:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:56:30 -0400 From: "michael johnson" Sender: buhnux@gmail.com To: Peter In-Reply-To: <20060914222340.41828.qmail@web60119.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060914215728.8113.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060914222340.41828.qmail@web60119.mail.yahoo.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: a383d5ca1c4f6e27 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: White Hat , FreeBSD Users Questions Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:56:47 -0000 On 9/14/06, Peter wrote: > > > --- White Hat wrote: > > > FreeBSD 6.1 > > > > I have been trying to get a few of my friends to try > > FBSD on their PCs without much success. One of the > > major problems is the inability to get flash to work > > properly to display videos available on Google. I know > > that the linux-flash port is marked broken, so that it > > out. How else can I get flash to work so I can perhaps > > persuade them to try FBSD? > > Yes, the Flash issue is a real bummer. It is best *not* to show your > friends that when you introduce them to FBSD. You can always just use www/linux-firefox and use flash with it. It works quite well. Peter > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 00:21:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D2C116A412 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:21:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: from web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.156]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C25843D6B for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:21:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 85719 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Sep 2006 00:21:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=oXw0QpUjhko7heuzOJpfmO3gu4oSdoHjmLWLIVU97ENB+6t3UCLV8IZyvb7ieev7TFs3F9prVID4wY9D4/slvyTFVjF8+48qd0Vf6FoHCe2jn1CwoUOKI0WTl7olr31iLVMIFJLlcPUQnnQCAjjvT0ssm8/wBq6YywFS+x0G02k= ; Message-ID: <20060915002137.85717.qmail@web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.189.184.224] by web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:21:37 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:21:37 -0700 (PDT) From: White Hat To: FreeBSD Users Questions In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:21:40 -0000 --- michael johnson wrote: OK, assuming I remove Firefox and install linux-firefox, which what version of flash in the ports tree am I suppose to install to make it all work? -- White Hat pigskin_referee@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 00:28:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2073A16A412 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:28:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from buhnux@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F86043D45 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:28:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from buhnux@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so3522143pye for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:28:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=QalCU7N6FpFuwwpmQvprVEFNqXzX0Cw8VrdcsVHLSK+04XdtgJxOs4PjxEh2VIFJtuHQClrnV7qUO6DqcwldIeQHfh4OdujBMq8NuyIuXHd7vkQ3ruGpCHd01y1PTlDYPCzVxDet62B6HZKautTe6aMkHO3xoCfNefVp5Faw7IM= Received: by 10.35.52.18 with SMTP id e18mr1526533pyk; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:28:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.90.6 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:28:11 -0400 From: "michael johnson" Sender: buhnux@gmail.com To: "White Hat" In-Reply-To: <20060915002137.85717.qmail@web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060915002137.85717.qmail@web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4728aeb191da07f7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Users Questions Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:28:22 -0000 On 9/14/06, White Hat wrote: > > --- michael johnson wrote: > > OK, assuming I remove Firefox and install > linux-firefox, which what version of flash in the > ports tree am I suppose to install to make it all > work? Don't deinstall firefox. just install linux-firefox with firefox. www/linux-flashplugin7 has the plugin you want -- > > White Hat > pigskin_referee@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 00:46:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C924C16A407 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:46:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jaj13@web.de) Received: from fmmailgate01.web.de (fmmailgate01.web.de [217.72.192.221]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61CED43D45 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:46:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jaj13@web.de) Received: from smtp08.web.de (fmsmtp08.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.216]) by fmmailgate01.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204A31EB89B4; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 02:46:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [83.99.27.193] (helo=[10.0.0.11]) by smtp08.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.107 #114) id 1GO1qW-0002tA-00; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 02:46:20 +0200 Message-ID: <4509F7DB.7080500@web.de> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 02:46:19 +0200 From: Jona Joachim User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060730) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Swiger References: <20060914222340.41828.qmail@web60119.mail.yahoo.com> <407F2CFB-1DED-4466-86E2-ACD171AD07CC@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <407F2CFB-1DED-4466-86E2-ACD171AD07CC@mac.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: jaj13@web.de X-Sender: jaj13@web.de Cc: Peter , White Hat , FreeBSD Users Questions Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:46:22 -0000 Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Sep 14, 2006, at 3:23 PM, Peter wrote: >> Yes, the Flash issue is a real bummer. It is best *not* to show your >> friends that when you introduce them to FBSD. > > Why? Is there some reason that you or they want to watch ads? > > I can't think of a single site that I use that needs Flash; I don't > install it even on a Windows or MacOS X box. I don't have the need for Flash either. Youtube and Google Video should provide their videos in a proper way. I still believe in dynamic SVG for clear animations. You can watch one of those on the Opera site about SVG, it's great. Nobody needs proprietary binary formats on the Internet. --jona From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 00:47:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D4B716A417 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:47:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ajm91qw@sbcglobal.net) Received: from smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3A18643D78 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:47:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ajm91qw@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 89811 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2006 00:47:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent; b=01b8A8pks1iCsczKSs5VBDoJKbsTYTWHjW3ol517ZzboT0A47kzNER388D6klzZgAYFG4Oi3Ud+9l2jEUflf/gg2B4sSfftn/tVSlOz/4ODrf+Zqo37RHSKFLN1TDeHfzqxXNUxF068wzpph7yqgtgYzmY0w6ShuD0GtiPaxYZ4= ; Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (ajm91qw@sbcglobal.net@70.254.69.125 with plain) by smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2006 00:47:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:48:44 -0500 From: ajm To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060915004844.GA7149@powerfull.bsd> References: <20060914215728.8113.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060914222340.41828.qmail@web60119.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:47:19 -0000 On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 06:56:30PM -0400, michael johnson wrote: > On 9/14/06, Peter wrote: > > > > > >--- White Hat wrote: > > > >> FreeBSD 6.1 > >> > >> I have been trying to get a few of my friends to try > >> FBSD on their PCs without much success. One of the > >> major problems is the inability to get flash to work > >> properly to display videos available on Google. I know > >> that the linux-flash port is marked broken, so that it > >> out. How else can I get flash to work so I can perhaps > >> persuade them to try FBSD? > > > >Yes, the Flash issue is a real bummer. It is best *not* to show your > >friends that when you introduce them to FBSD. > > > You can always just use www/linux-firefox and use flash with it. > It works quite well. > I use www/linux-opera. No problems here... -- FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE i386 GENERIC From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 01:07:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA3D816A403 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 01:07:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D3A143D46 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 01:07:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8F17dXh089496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:07:39 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.3/8.12.11) id k8F17duc028733; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:07:39 +0700 (ICT) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:07:39 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200609150107.k8F17duc028733@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <4509340A.4070406@orchid.homeunix.org> (message from Karol Kwiatkowski on Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:50:50 +0200) References: <200609120901.k8C91gXr004122@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200609140121.k8E1LwSh008156@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <4508B70E.60604@orchid.homeunix.org> <200609140205.k8E25bqR014918@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <4509340A.4070406@orchid.homeunix.org> X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Subject: Re: Slow install of Ruby 18 from ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 01:07:44 -0000 > Just out of curiosity I tried ruby port on two machines - fast one > (1.6GHz Athlon with 1GB RAM) and small one (400MHz with 96MB RAM). > Fast one has no problems with ruby, it builds and installs in few > minutes. The slow one is another story, however. There is definitely something in teh building of ruby (I beleive in the test part), looks like it does a complete disk scanning (to find possible libraries?) during that period when it seems to be idled, disk are being accessed like carzy. Anyway, after a night at it, it finally installs :) Bests, Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 01:39:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7176816A415 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 01:39:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFBAE43D45 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 01:39:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8F1djOu090672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:39:45 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.3/8.12.11) id k8F1dgaa029179; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:39:42 +0700 (ICT) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:39:42 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200609150139.k8F1dgaa029179@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: wash@wananchi.com In-reply-to: <20060914153224.GK49058@ns2.wananchi.com> (message from Odhiambo Washington on Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:32:24 +0300) References: <45096C88.4030203@esiee.fr> <20060914153224.GK49058@ns2.wananchi.com> X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrading our mail server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 01:39:48 -0000 > | Our mailhub is actually a HP DL360 with one processor (Xeon 2.8 ghz) > | with 2 Gb RAM and 120 Gb disks, it is 3 years old. > | It runs Postfix + imap + imaps + pop3 + pop3s + squirrelmail + vexira > | antivirus + postgrey > | and some small auxiliary services. > Your server is good enough to handle even 10k users. You just need to > identify what is causing the overload. Adding one processor and 2GB > extra RAM should be enough, I think. Even when the hardware is enough, I enjoy a new machine when it comes to build a mail server: it is such a critical machine (users will not understand that their mailbox could be out of reach for 5 minutes) with enough different components, each having specificities on the config (not the sort you power one and you are done) I don't feel at ease doing too much modif on a production email server. Now at 10K$ you have plenty of money, I believe you could afford 2 machines for hi availability. Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 01:47:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD9F116A403 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 01:47:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09BEC43D49 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 01:47:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8F1l7w5090944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:47:07 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.3/8.12.11) id k8F1l73F029577; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:47:07 +0700 (ICT) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:47:07 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200609150147.k8F1l73F029577@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Subject: Poutupgrade unsafe X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 01:47:08 -0000 Hi, I know the mistake was on my side, I was not carefull enough when using portupgrade on a production machine but... Yesterday I froze our system for about one hour when I used portupgrade to upgrade Samba. It was a very minor upgrade (from 3.0.10 to 3.0.23c,1 I think), but it happens that in between the 2 versions the location of the password file for Samba has been changed. I beleive that the port maintener has a very good reason why to change this directory, but portupgrade would build and install the new Samba silently (if the message at the begining of the makefile did ever show, it was drawn into the flow of portupgrade messages) resulting the new Samba did not accept any connection. I think that such modification should be considered as critical and portupgrade should stop and request acknowledgement before it keeps on installing. I am not sure the mechanism exists in portupgrade, but I see it as a very usefull enhancement. Best regards, Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 02:23:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3539316A40F for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 02:23:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@voidcaptain.com) Received: from mx4.x15.net (mx4.x15.net [69.55.237.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2B5A43D45 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 02:23:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@voidcaptain.com) Received: from j1.x15.net [63.196.213.76] by mx4.x15.net with ESMTP id 608060222X1GO3MU000CNF2g; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 02:23:26 +0000 Message-ID: <450A0E7F.5090400@voidcaptain.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:22:55 -0700 From: Pete Slagle MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olivier Nicole References: <200609150147.k8F1l73F029577@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> In-Reply-To: <200609150147.k8F1l73F029577@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Poutupgrade unsafe X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 02:23:27 -0000 Olivier Nicole wrote: > I know the mistake was on my side, I was not carefull enough when > using portupgrade on a production machine but... > > Yesterday I froze our system for about one hour when I used > portupgrade to upgrade Samba. It was a very minor upgrade (from 3.0.10 > to 3.0.23c,1 I think), but it happens that in between the 2 versions > the location of the password file for Samba has been changed. > > I beleive that the port maintener has a very good reason why to change > this directory, but portupgrade would build and install the new Samba > silently (if the message at the begining of the makefile did ever > show, it was drawn into the flow of portupgrade messages) resulting > the new Samba did not accept any connection. > > I think that such modification should be considered as critical and > portupgrade should stop and request acknowledgement before it keeps on > installing. I am not sure the mechanism exists in portupgrade, but I > see it as a very usefull enhancement. This one bit me too, but we have only ourselves to blame; there was a clear (well, pretty clear) warning of the change in /usr/ports/UPDATING. You would never forget to check UPDATING before running portupgrade would you? :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 03:03:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD8C16A416 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 03:03:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.26.172.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A74D543D53 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 03:03:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id k8F338ut059557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:03:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id k8F338LT059555; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:03:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA02100; Thu, 14 Sep 06 19:59:21 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Sep 06 19:59:21 PDT From: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) Message-Id: <10609150259.AA02100@pluto.rain.com> To: freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org References: <10609140727.AA28689@pluto.rain.com> <20060914160534.GA53648@xor.obsecurity.org> <10609142107.AA01301@pluto.rain.com> <44u03auon5.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> In-Reply-To: <44u03auon5.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mount_ext2fs returning ENODEV on 6.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 03:03:42 -0000 > >> > # ll /dev/ad0s7 > >> > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 93 Sep 4 02:30 /dev/ad0s7 > >> > # file -s /dev/ad0s7 > >> > /dev/ad0s7: Linux rev 1.0 ext2 filesystem data > >> > # grep -w ad0s7 /etc/fstab > >> > /dev/ad0s7 /linux ext2fs ro 0 0 > >> > # ll -d /linux > >> > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 24 12:09 /linux > >> > # mount /linux > >> > mount_ext2fs: /dev/ad0s7: Operation not supported by device > >> > >> No ext2fs support in your kernel? > > > > I had not thought that was the problem, since according to > > something in the docs or manpages -- which I now cannot locate > > -- missing kernel support should have resulted in a different > > message. How would I check, to be sure? I am using the kernel > > from the installation CD, not one I have built: > > > > # uname -a > > FreeBSD fbsd61 6.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE #0: Sun May 7 04:32:43 UTC 2006 root@opus.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 > > The standard kernel doesn't have ext2fs support now; I doubt the 6.1 > release was different. Try loading it as a module; "kldload ext2fs". It seems not to be that easy :( # kldload ext2fs kldload: can't load ext2fs: No such file or directory Where is ext2fs.ko supposed to have come from? A search for ext2fs in the Handbook found nothing applicable, and I have already built and installed /usr/ports/sysutils/e2fsprogs. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 03:13:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC40716A403 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 03:13:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from mxout3.cac.washington.edu (mxout3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 603D643D46 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 03:13:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.32.139]) by mxout3.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.03) with ESMTP id k8F3DBlt007881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:13:12 -0700 X-Auth-Received: from [192.168.11.5] (21.129.148.210.dy.bbexcite.jp [210.148.129.21]) (authenticated authid=youshi10) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.03) with ESMTP id k8F3DA3g003007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:13:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <407F2CFB-1DED-4466-86E2-ACD171AD07CC@mac.com> References: <20060914222340.41828.qmail@web60119.mail.yahoo.com> <407F2CFB-1DED-4466-86E2-ACD171AD07CC@mac.com> X-Gpgmail-State: !signed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3E42E83B-EFB0-4BCA-BFF3-5116AEE93B19@u.washington.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Garrett Cooper Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:13:08 +0900 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.266434, Antispam-Engine: 2.4.0.264935, Antispam-Data: 2006.9.14.195442 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 03:13:12 -0000 On Sep 15, 2006, at 7:54 AM, Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Sep 14, 2006, at 3:23 PM, Peter wrote: >> Yes, the Flash issue is a real bummer. It is best *not* to show your >> friends that when you introduce them to FBSD. > > Why? Is there some reason that you or they want to watch ads? > > I can't think of a single site that I use that needs Flash; I don't > install it even on a Windows or MacOS X box. > > -- > -Chuck Unfortunately a lot of consumer sites are starting to use flash as a semi-static and predictable way to deliver content to people; it's incredibly annoying, and becomes very noticeable once you install stuff that blocks SWF files: http://www.noscript.net/whats :). Thus, that is one solution to get rid of your ads (adblock+ is another, but meh), so you can keep Flash functionality and get rid of crappy Flash animations, while surfing the net. Also, FYI: a lot of sites have built animations with (Adobe) Flash 9, so unless you have a Windows or Mac PC nearby you probably won't be able to load up animations on a Unix PC as the latest version available is 7. -Garrett From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 03:28:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4186D16A412 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 03:28:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from mail.stovebolt.com (mail.stovebolt.com [66.221.101.248]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9FBF43D45 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 03:28:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from [192.168.2.102] (adsl-65-65-209-166.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net [65.65.209.166]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.stovebolt.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AD321143F7 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:21:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:28:20 -0500 From: pauls@utdallas.edu To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.5 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; boundary="==========D48961000D2BEE54B191==========" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: unknown ethernet card X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 03:28:23 -0000 --==========D48961000D2BEE54B191========== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I'm beginning the install of 6.1 RELEASE on a Dell 1950. It uses Dual=20 Embedded Broadcom NetXtreme II 5708 Gigabit Ethernet NICs, and they are=20 not correctly recognized during the install. The system identifies them=20 as bce0 and bce1, but apparently the driver isn't working right. Does anyone have these NICs working? If so, what driver did you use? Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ --==========D48961000D2BEE54B191==========-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 03:55:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD23216A40F for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 03:55:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from mxout3.cac.washington.edu (mxout3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0B343D45 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 03:55:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.32.139]) by mxout3.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.03) with ESMTP id k8F3tq0k014846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:55:52 -0700 X-Auth-Received: from [192.168.11.5] (21.129.148.210.dy.bbexcite.jp [210.148.129.21]) (authenticated authid=youshi10) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.03) with ESMTP id k8F3to7p005387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:55:52 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: X-Gpgmail-State: !signed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Garrett Cooper Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:55:49 +0900 To: FreeBSD Questions X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.266434, Antispam-Engine: 2.4.0.264935, Antispam-Data: 2006.9.14.203442 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' Subject: Re: unknown ethernet card X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 03:55:56 -0000 On Sep 15, 2006, at 12:28 PM, pauls@utdallas.edu wrote: > I'm beginning the install of 6.1 RELEASE on a Dell 1950. It uses > Dual Embedded Broadcom NetXtreme II 5708 Gigabit Ethernet NICs, and > they are not correctly recognized during the install. The system > identifies them as bce0 and bce1, but apparently the driver isn't > working right. > > Does anyone have these NICs working? If so, what driver did you use? > > Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) > Adjunct Information Security Officer > The University of Texas at Dallas > http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ Those particular cards should use a generic driver (in this case bc). The fact that your interfaces are found though seems to point to the fact that things are not configured properly, network-wise. Are you sure the network settings you're providing are correct, or that the actual NICs themselves have a solid link to a switch and are working? -Garrett From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 04:21:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E735916A412 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 04:21:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from mail.stovebolt.com (mail.stovebolt.com [66.221.101.248]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B02943D4C for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 04:21:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from [192.168.2.102] (adsl-65-65-209-166.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net [65.65.209.166]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.stovebolt.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C863114314 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 23:14:44 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 23:21:27 -0500 From: pauls@utdallas.edu To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <3B3CF11BD6874E8B81EC3848@paul-schmehls-powerbook59.local> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.5 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; boundary="==========AB69B7E64D0777EFC87A==========" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: unknown ethernet card X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 04:21:28 -0000 --==========AB69B7E64D0777EFC87A========== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline --On September 15, 2006 12:55:49 PM +0900 Garrett Cooper=20 wrote: > > Those particular cards should use a generic driver (in this case bc). > The fact that your interfaces are found though seems to point to the > fact that things are not configured properly, network-wise. Are you > sure the network settings you're providing are correct, or that the > actual NICs themselves have a solid link to a switch and are working? After a reboot and solving an id10t problem, it's working fine now. Sorry = I bothered the list. Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ --==========AB69B7E64D0777EFC87A==========-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 04:25:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6424816A4A0 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 04:25:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.26.172.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 426AE43D45 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 04:25:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id k8F4OnSS077113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:24:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id k8F4OnA8077112; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA02474; Thu, 14 Sep 06 21:18:20 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Sep 06 21:18:20 PDT From: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) Message-Id: <10609150418.AA02474@pluto.rain.com> To: pauls@utdallas.edu References: In-Reply-To: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: unknown ethernet card X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 04:25:23 -0000 > I'm beginning the install of 6.1 RELEASE on a Dell 1950. It uses > Dual Embedded Broadcom NetXtreme II 5708 Gigabit Ethernet NICs, > and they are not correctly recognized during the install. The > system identifies them as bce0 and bce1, but apparently the driver > isn't working right. > > Does anyone have these NICs working? If so, what driver did you use? Check out this thread: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2006-September/131194.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 05:04:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 743A016A407 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:04:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arindam.mukerjee@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B214843D46 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:04:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from arindam.mukerjee@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so3608073pye for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:04:48 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=TjAgtn197+ylJU3iaBwgM+NmVaekhbdZTQR4C1iLLjx92JsPYWGSx6Z3I6YSGjeFbFCNWJQmTCeSpJBOglOZ6z7QvPQjKot9FyJrBx8x+5wm0h7+uk3jWq3GWACCb4Lb7dwjEBn6jDALjYH0T0CiTGqXDrbKRxYxciMK6nZu4yg= Received: by 10.35.123.2 with SMTP id a2mr16473704pyn; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:04:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.13.20 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:04:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:34:47 +0530 From: Arindam To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_19647_11604177.1158296687904" References: Subject: Re: X Window: Mouse Freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:04:49 -0000 ------=_Part_19647_11604177.1158296687904 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline > Hello everyone. After a bit of a wrestle, I installed my first FreeBSD > 6.1 server on a PIII 733MHz with 512 Megs of RAM on a 6.5 Gig slice > (a:/, b:swap, d:/var, e:/tmp, f:/usr). I got X Windows working after a > little bit more struggle - I now have Afterstep, WindowMaker and fvwm > working for me. > > The single biggest problem I have faced with this installation is > configuring my mouse. I have an old 3-button Logitech serial mouse. It > is not hard to replace it with a new PS/2 or USB roller mouse. But if > I had to do that, I won't be here and I would not care about FreeBSD. > > On 5.4, I remember the serial port to which my mouse was connected was > called /dev/cuaa0. Now it is /dev/cuad0. I find this a little odd. In > any case, when I start my X Window session, for a while my mouse is > responsive and moving around perfectly. After a few inches of moving > here and there, it stops responding and that's it. I have tried doing > a: > > cat /dev/cuad0 > > from the console and moved the mouse - it spews gibberish which is > fine. But it does not budge a bit on my X Window session. I have to > stop and restart and everytime it's the same story, except that it > moves briefly before freezing. > > Some points: > 1. I can oftentimes see the mouse pointer on the text consoles just > after booting, but it does not move. > 2. My moused runs with: > moused -t microsoft -p /dev/cuad0 > > I enabled ChordMiddle at the time of xorgconfig so that's enabled in > /etc/X11/xorg.config. > > > Cheers, > Andy > I have attached my xorg.conf file. What I have noticed is that my text-console mouse does move now when the pointer is visible but sometimes the pointer isn't visible on the text console. Second, in X Window, the first time it starts when I initially start moving the mouse, the mouse moves freely for a while and after about 15 seconds of moving freely, it freezes. No response at all. If I go back to the console and try: cat /dev/cuad0 I get the expected gibberish. Sometimes this restores movement to the pointer when I get back to X Window. But usually this makes no difference. 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freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDF5516A403 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:09:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bill@wiliweld.com) Received: from typhoon.he.net (typhoon.he.net [64.62.229.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4A52C43D46 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:09:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bill@wiliweld.com) Received: from liam ([71.141.72.46]) by typhoon.he.net for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:09:01 -0700 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:09:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill-Schoolcraft X-X-Sender: bill@liam To: White Hat In-Reply-To: <20060915002137.85717.qmail@web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20060915002137.85717.qmail@web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> System-ID: [en] (SuSE-9.3 64-bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: FreeBSD Users Questions Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:09:04 -0000 At Thu, 14 Sep 2006 it looks like White Hat composed: > --- michael johnson wrote: > > OK, assuming I remove Firefox and install > linux-firefox, which what version of flash in the > ports tree am I suppose to install to make it all > work? > Yes, I just went to test my bandwidth at http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest in order to see their "gauge" for I was told it was nice, but it would not fly, had to switch to another Unix variant to get it to work. -- Bill Schoolcraft <<<<*>>>> http://wiliweld.com <*> " If you turn your headlights on while going the speed of light, does anything happen? " From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 05:17:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 457B716A403 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:17:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arindam.mukerjee@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A770943D46 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:17:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from arindam.mukerjee@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so3611620pye for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:17:06 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JELpX9VOriQrfcbOIP839/3Xo9ci/7/kR/QSYTglgAlAO0E7OOCwzih3tFRT2bKbnJcB+ZE7qnKgL+VPB+FZokZP2Tr1MYbS3XnF2FxsQJ3CpfKNLSCPb+Po7Up0kMjBFjjlyWNHp8ukXJE8Gm8ftKFVqBHEFXJgEHXwpVK7/C4= Received: by 10.35.52.18 with SMTP id e18mr1918925pyk; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.13.20 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:47:05 +0530 From: Arindam To: "Garrett Cooper" In-Reply-To: <49B0565D-2C10-43CF-AB15-9CD712EFC074@u.washington.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <3748E46A-16BD-4AD9-8EC3-84B10538F2BB@u.washington.edu> <49B0565D-2C10-43CF-AB15-9CD712EFC074@u.washington.edu> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network connectivity between FreeBSD and Linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:17:07 -0000 > >> > >> > I have FreeBSD 6.1 installed on one machine and Fedora Core 2 on > >> > another. I dual boot the FreeBSD 6.1 machine with a RedHat EL 4.3 > >> > installation. I have assigned the same static IP address and > >> hostname > >> > to this machine for both the FreeBSD and RHEL installations. > >> > > >> > While my RHEL installation is running, I am able to communicate > >> with > >> > the FC2 installation over the network. When FreeBSD is running, all > >> > pings from either side fail. I have no clue if I need to look at > >> some > >> > special configuration, or is it a problem with the basics. > >> > > >> > Wond'ring what to do. > >> > > >> > Cheers, > >> > Andy > >> > -- > >> > >> /sbin/ifconfig output? Also, do you happen to have a firewall in your > >> FreeBSD OS setup :)? 1. No firewall running. 2. Here is the output: pcn0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet6 fe80::260:b0ff:fe87:42ca%pcn0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 inet 10.0.0.101 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.0.0.255 ether 00:60:b0:87:42:ca media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active plip0: flags=108810 mtu 1500 lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 What I have noticed is that when I ping from the other machine (FC2) then at least the two lights corresponding to these two machines blink. When I ping from my FreeBSD to the FC2 box, then the switch lights do not blink. This leads me to suspect that the packets from the BSD host are never making it to the network cable - is my network card supported I wonder. What I have seen is that this same network card works when I boot to RHEL4.3 which is the other OS on this box and it does ping alright between the two boxes. On FreeBSD, this NIC is detected as AMD 79c79x - I could do ifconfig to set the IP and netmask - no errors were reported. However it does not look like I am at all getting on the network with this. Cheers, Andy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 05:23:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9FA816A403 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:23:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidschulz@tca-cable-connector.com) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3333E43D45 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:23:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from davidschulz@tca-cable-connector.com) Received: from [218.16.58.208] (helo=munin.tcaportal.com) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu4) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML21M-1GO6Au45V4-0002iL; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:23:43 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.tcaportal.com [127.0.0.1]) by munin.tcaportal.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 849D1A6C30 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:23:02 +0800 (HKT) Received: from [10.0.1.102] (loki.tcaportal.com [10.0.1.102]) by munin.tcaportal.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B48A6C2E for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:23:01 +0800 (HKT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3479C24E-BC58-4F21-91D2-03E2B948EAED@tca-cable-connector.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: FreeBSD Users Questions From: David Schulz Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:23:32 +0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:1405312fe15d228f5bad0d2fcbb6dc17 Subject: Piping output from serial device to file does not want to work X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:23:44 -0000 Hello, Data coming from /dev/cuad0 looks like this when read using cat /dev/ cuad0 : ----->Snippet start 09/15/06 11:17AM 8003 13 17909013923793510 00:10'58 Date Time Ext CO Dial Number Ring Duration Acc code CD ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- 09/15/06 11:17AM 8072 13 17909013923793510 00:00'00 TR 09/15/06 11:27AM 8036 05 0'00 00:30'17 TR ----->Snipped end Now i would like to strip away the blank lines, the line with Date, and the ---Line and then pipe it to a logfile, so the output looks like ----->Snippet start 09/15/06 11:17AM 8072 13 17909013923793510 00:00'00 TR 09/15/06 11:17AM 8072 13 17909013923793510 00:00'00 TR 09/15/06 11:17AM 8072 13 17909013923793510 00:00'00 TR 09/15/06 11:17AM 8072 13 17909013923793510 00:00'00 TR ----->Snipped end So using this command : egrep -v -e "\---|^$|Date" -D read /dev/ cuad0 , works, and puts out the data to stdout for me to see, but when i want to pipe it to a file, using egrep -v -e "\---|^$|Date" - D read /dev/cuad0 >> logfile , then never any data appears in the logfile. Can anyone tell me wht that is, and maybe suggest a better way to do this? Thanks a lot, David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 05:40:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF92616A412 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:40:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.apitz@oclcpica.org) Received: from hunter.Sisis.de (hunter.sisis.de [193.31.11.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0642543D4C for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:40:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from m.apitz@oclcpica.org) Received: (from mail@localhost) by hunter.Sisis.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25627; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:36:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from m.apitz@oclcpica.org) Received: from ppp-82-135-75-83.dynamic.mnet-online.de(82.135.75.83) by hunter.Sisis.de via smap (V2.1) id xma025619; Fri, 15 Sep 06 07:36:39 +0200 Received: (from guru@localhost) by rebelion.Sisis.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k8F5e4oL015409; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:40:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from m.apitz@oclcpica.org) X-Authentication-Warning: rebelion.Sisis.de: guru set sender to m.apitz@oclcpica.org using -f Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:40:04 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: David Schulz Message-ID: <20060915054004.GA15224@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <3479C24E-BC58-4F21-91D2-03E2B948EAED@tca-cable-connector.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <3479C24E-BC58-4F21-91D2-03E2B948EAED@tca-cable-connector.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE (i386) Cc: FreeBSD Users Questions Subject: Re: Piping output from serial device to file does not want to work X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:40:40 -0000 El día Friday, September 15, 2006 a las 01:23:32PM +0800, David Schulz escribió: ... > > So using this command : egrep -v -e "\---|^$|Date" -D read /dev/ > cuad0 , works, and puts out the data to stdout for me to see, but > when i want to pipe it to a file, using egrep -v -e "\---|^$|Date" - > D read /dev/cuad0 >> logfile , then never any data appears in the > logfile. Can anyone tell me wht that is, and maybe suggest a better > way to do this? The data is in the output buffer of egrep's STDOUT and not written until EOF on STDIN (which perhaps will never occur) or until certain bufsize is reached; you may use the flag '--line-buffered' of egrep; matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC PICA GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclcpica.org/ http://guru.UnixLand.de/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 06:12:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CE5016A407 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:12:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ke.han@redstarling.com) Received: from smtp106.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp106.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.52.175]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 73EAD43D45 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:12:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ke.han@redstarling.com) Received: (qmail 50606 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2006 06:12:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.20?) (ke.han@redstarling.com@218.79.215.253 with plain) by smtp106.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2006 06:12:04 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <132EF62C-2F10-4B18-91B0-A273D8BD990B@redstarling.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: freebsd-questions Questions list From: ke han Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:11:58 +0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Subject: Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:12:06 -0000 I have had this problem for a month now...have tried several things and still no luck...I really need some advice please!!! Here is the situation: 1 - freebsd 6.1-RELEASE-p6 running sshd in standard config. my server is server1.domain.com. hosts.allow has not been touched nor has just about anything else...this is a standard install. I have tried sshd_config -> UseDNS yes and no to same effect, but otherwise its a default sshd_config. 2 - I _can_ connect to this server from a Windows XP machine with PuTTY (this client as all others I have tried are on separate networks from server1. 3 - I _cannot_ connect to server1 from OS X mac.domain.com or another freebsd 6.1 client server2.domain.com. These two clients are each on different networks but I get the same error: Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer. 4 - My hosting provider has tried to help me debug this by connecting to server1 from several different clients on different networks...they have no problems from Linux and FreeBSD clients. 5 - Both OS X and other freebsd client (from item 3) have the same domain root as server1...i.e. domain.com If this is the heart of the problem I do not know what to do on server1 to tell it is ok to accept these connections...if its a security protection, seems like a useless one if sshd lets my unnamed DHCP assigned Windows XP client in. please help!!! ke han From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 06:48:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDD0616A412 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:48:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ke.han@redstarling.com) Received: from smtp105.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp105.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.52.174]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2545C43D77 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:48:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ke.han@redstarling.com) Received: (qmail 35441 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2006 06:48:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.20?) (ke.han@redstarling.com@218.79.215.253 with plain) by smtp105.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2006 06:48:04 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: freebsd-questions Questions list From: ke han Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:48:00 +0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Subject: portsdb -Uu X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:48:10 -0000 I am using portsnap fetch portsnap update to sync my ports tree on FreeBSd 6.1...it seems it maintains an index when I run update. I am used to using: portsversion and portsupdate to upgrade ports...in this method I have also used portsdb -Uu to rebuild an index anytime prior to running these commands...yes portsdb takes a while and I've always wondered if this is necessary prior to running any of these commands.. So my question is: Is the index being maintained by portsnap the same or a replacement to that used by portupgrade? Do I have to maintain both sets of indexes in order to use portsupdate?? What do other people do? thanks, ke han From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 06:59:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B496716A40F for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:59:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cperciva@freebsd.org) Received: from pd4mo2so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9870143D4C for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:59:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cperciva@freebsd.org) Received: from pd2mr5so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr5so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.8]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J5M00G9LGQ97D40@l-daemon> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:58:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml1so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.145]) by pd2mr5so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J5M001Y6GQ9RLC0@pd2mr5so.prod.shaw.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:58:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hexahedron.daemonology.net ([24.82.18.31]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with SMTP id <0J5M00M2XGQ8VZQ0@l-daemon> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:58:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 62411 invoked from network); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:58:47 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:58:47 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 23:58:46 -0700 From: Colin Percival In-reply-to: To: ke han , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-id: <450A4F26.3020702@freebsd.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060416) Cc: Subject: Re: portsdb -Uu X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:59:04 -0000 ke han wrote: > I am using > portsnap fetch > portsnap update > > to sync my ports tree on FreeBSd 6.1...it seems it maintains an index > when I run update. Yes. > I am used to using: > portsversion and portsupdate to upgrade ports...in this method I have > also used > portsdb -Uu > to rebuild an index anytime prior to running these commands...yes > portsdb takes a while and I've always wondered if this is necessary > prior to running any of these commands.. portsdb -Uu does two things: 1. It rebuilds the ports INDEX. This is done by "portsdb -U" and takes a long time. 2. It rebuilds the ports INDEX.db database. This is done by "portsdb -u", takes only a few seconds, and is done automatically when you run portupgrade if the database is out of date. > So my question is: Is the index being maintained by portsnap the same > or a replacement to that used by portupgrade? Do I have to maintain > both sets of indexes in order to use portsupdate?? The ports INDEX file generated by "portsdb -U" is the same file as portsnap generates. Since the INDEX.db database is generated automatically, this means there is no need to run portsdb between running portsnap and running portupgrade. My standard ports update/upgrade procedure is: portsnap fetch portsnap update pkg_version -vIL= # this is equivalent to "portversion -vL=" portupgrade -a Colin Percival From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 07:44:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E20C16A4AB for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:44:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass@teledomenet.gr) Received: from matrix.teledomenet.gr (dns1.teledomenet.gr [213.142.128.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABBE043D46 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:44:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nvass@teledomenet.gr) Received: from iris ([192.168.1.71]) by matrix.teledomenet.gr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k8F7idEY007181; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:44:39 +0300 From: Nikos Vassiliadis To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:42:22 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <9773.209.204.181.224.1158244818.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> In-Reply-To: <9773.209.204.181.224.1158244818.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609151042.22542.nvass@teledomenet.gr> Cc: billgg@sonic.net Subject: Re: FTP server behind router/gateway X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:44:43 -0000 On Thursday 14 September 2006 17:40, billgg@sonic.net wrote: > I have a FreeBSD 6.1 box running behind a router/gateway. When it tries > to go into passive mode, it returns it's internal 192.168. ip address to > the client which the client stupidly uses to try to connect to. I've > confirmed this by tyring to FTP from several external systems (windows & > linux). Is there anyway to get the FreeBSD box to return the external > address without making it act as the router/gateway? In addition to what Andreas said: The problem is not the "router/gateway" in front of the ftp. The problem is the internal address the ftp server has and the nat that the router has to do. FreeBSD knows nothing about the external address... I think you'll have better results getting a second IP address for your ftp server and just route packets. Or you could search for an ftp server with this feature and/or a router with a big bag of tricks(similar to ftp-proxy FreeBSD has) I would go for a second IP address if that was a choice Nikos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 08:31:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF8116A40F for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:31:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from felix.schalck@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 39BDA43D45 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:31:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from felix.schalck@gmx.net) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 15 Sep 2006 08:31:09 -0000 Received: from lns-bzn-27-82-248-17-58.adsl.proxad.net (EHLO [192.168.0.7]) [82.248.17.58] by mail.gmx.net (mp033) with SMTP; 15 Sep 2006 10:31:09 +0200 X-Authenticated: #23426003 Message-ID: <450A64D0.3020401@gmx.net> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:31:12 +0200 From: "felix.schalck" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060828) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ajm References: <20060914215728.8113.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060914222340.41828.qmail@web60119.mail.yahoo.com> <20060915004844.GA7149@powerfull.bsd> In-Reply-To: <20060915004844.GA7149@powerfull.bsd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:31:11 -0000 Is the language/interpreter used by FLASH copyrighted, so that there isn't any possibility for an open source player ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 10:18:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D08A316A403 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:18:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF97943D5C for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:18:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.pc (host5.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.229]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-2) with ESMTP id k8FAIAZE006513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:18:16 +0300 Received: from gothmog.pc (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.pc (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k8FAIU8V031395; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:18:31 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.pc (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id k8FAIPMO031394; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:18:25 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:18:24 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Michael Grant Message-ID: <20060915101824.GB30999@gothmog.pc> References: <62b856460609141011s72e72eah70996448f74e7cd0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <62b856460609141011s72e72eah70996448f74e7cd0@mail.gmail.com> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.77, required 5, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.17, BAYES_00 -2.60, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY 0.00) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:18:45 -0000 On 2006-09-14 19:11, Michael Grant wrote: > I'm being driven slowly mad by cvs... > > I have 3 boxes, one is acting as a cvs server. The "cvs clients" (for > lack of a better term) are running 6.1 and should be configured the > same. Yet, one machine lets me do a cvs login, the other requires I > use cvs -d :psserver:.. with each cvs command. > > I do not have CVSROOT set on either machine. > > What I get is this: > > [#822] cvs login > Logging in to :pserver:myname@myserver/home/foo/bar > cvs login: authorization failed: server myserver rejected access to > /home/foo/bar for user mgrant > > yet, on the other machine, I get a password prompt and all is fine. Someone sets CVSROOT, if you can just type "cvs login" and get a prompt for ``Logging in to :pserver:myname@myserver/home/foo/bar''. Can you run, on both systems, the following? $ env | sort | grep CVS From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 10:28:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F2016A407; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:28:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from gaia.nimnet.asn.au (nimbin.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.45.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 814AC43D45; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:28:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (smithi@localhost) by gaia.nimnet.asn.au (8.8.8/8.8.8R1.4) with SMTP id UAA02527; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:27:47 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:27:46 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Dan Nelson In-Reply-To: <20060914142023.GB91336@dan.emsphone.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: questions@freebsd.org, "Tamouh H." , Giorgos Keramidas Subject: Re: Top not showing cpu usage even remotely accurately X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:28:12 -0000 On Thu, 14 Sep 2006, Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Sep 14), Ian Smith said: > [..]> > > However that doesn't explain this typical top view when the system is > > quiescent or nearly so, as it mostly is, with only 5-minutely crons and > > 11-minutely entropy runs and the odd sendmail to be seen in lastcomm: > > > > last pid: 18500; load averages: 0.01, 0.08, 0.06 up 5+08:40:33 17:30:30 > > 136 processes: 3 running, 110 sleeping, 23 waiting > > CPU states: 5.7% user, 0.0% nice, 6.3% system, 0.0% interrupt, 88.0% idle > > Mem: 73M Active, 18M Inact, 46M Wired, 8108K Cache, 25M Buf, 2572K Free > > Swap: 384M Total, 106M Used, 278M Free, 27% Inuse > > > > PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND > > 11 root 171 52 0K 8K RUN 102.3H 86.82% 86.82% idle > > 743 smithi 96 0 26616K 2908K select 156:40 1.03% 1.03% kdeinit > > 708 smithi 96 0 34140K 15024K select 223:05 0.63% 0.63% Xorg > > 644 root 96 0 1244K 244K select 30:19 0.05% 0.05% moused > > 775 smithi 20 0 11524K 1028K kserel 319:17 0.00% 0.00% xmms > > > It never shows more than about 90% idle, whereas a 0.01 shorter term > > load average should indicate more like 99% idle, shouldn't it? 97-99%, > > sometimes 100% idle was what FreeBSD 4.5-R used to tell me with the same > > workload in around the same memory use, but maybe 4.5 was optimistic .. > > I would guess that maybe xmms (or some other threaded app) is your > hidden CPU consumer. The kernel does not calculate %CPU correctly for > libkse-threaded programs, and they usually show up as 0% all the time. > The TIME column does update correctly, though. If you switch to libthr > with libmap.conf, you'll get accurate threaded %CPU reporting. Ah, thanks for a solid boot up the learning curve, Dan. Took me a while to connect kse(2) as it's not referred to as such in ldd output, but I kept digging. For sure xmms and moz are 2 that have gone mad 'quietly'. I assume then that libkse is what the three multi-thread programs I'm running (xmms, mozilla-bin and mysqld) are now using, where for each of them `ldd $program | grep thr` shows libpthread.so.1 => /usr/lib/libpthread.so.1 So can/should I set in (a new) /etc/libmap.conf generally: libpthread.so.1 libthr.so.1 libpthread.so libthr.so or would it be better to just target these specific programs, eg: [/usr/X11R6/lib/mozilla/mozilla-bin/] # assuming loaded with full path? libpthread.so.1 libthr.so.1 libpthread.so libthr.so Are there any likely downsides to using libthr instead? Esp. mysqld? I've already found that stopping those three processes lifts shown idle to ~95%, but then I also note that ldd other things - including kdeinit ie all main KDE processes - refer to libpthread.so.1 too, but only the above 3 ever seem to appear in state 'kserel' (This is all new to me :) Cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 11:41:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 456DC16A40F for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:41:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob.middaugh@comcast.net) Received: from alnrmhc13.comcast.net (alnrmhc13.comcast.net [206.18.177.53]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D44DD43D45 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:41:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob.middaugh@comcast.net) Received: from freebsd (c7147679.state.nj.us[199.20.118.121]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060915114122b1300on7u0e>; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:41:23 +0000 From: "Bob M." To: Arindam In-Reply-To: References: <3748E46A-16BD-4AD9-8EC3-84B10538F2BB@u.washington.edu> <49B0565D-2C10-43CF-AB15-9CD712EFC074@u.washington.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:43:03 -0400 Message-Id: <1158320583.25573.9.camel@freebsd> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Garrett Cooper , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network connectivity between FreeBSD and Linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bob.middaugh@comcast.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:41:24 -0000 On Fri, 2006-09-15 at 10:47 +0530, Arindam wrote: > > >> > > >> > I have FreeBSD 6.1 installed on one machine and Fedora Core 2 on > > >> > another. I dual boot the FreeBSD 6.1 machine with a RedHat EL 4.3 > > >> > installation. I have assigned the same static IP address and > > >> hostname > > >> > to this machine for both the FreeBSD and RHEL installations. > > >> > > > >> > While my RHEL installation is running, I am able to communicate > > >> with > > >> > the FC2 installation over the network. When FreeBSD is running, all > > >> > pings from either side fail. I have no clue if I need to look at > > >> some > > >> > special configuration, or is it a problem with the basics. > > >> > > > >> > Wond'ring what to do. > > >> > > > >> > Cheers, > > >> > Andy > > >> > -- > > >> > > >> /sbin/ifconfig output? Also, do you happen to have a firewall in your > > >> FreeBSD OS setup :)? > > 1. No firewall running. > 2. Here is the output: > > pcn0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > inet6 fe80::260:b0ff:fe87:42ca%pcn0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 > inet 10.0.0.101 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.0.0.255 > ether 00:60:b0:87:42:ca > media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) > status: active > plip0: flags=108810 mtu 1500 > lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 > inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 > inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3 > inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 > > > What I have noticed is that when I ping from the other machine (FC2) > then at least the two lights corresponding to these two machines > blink. > > When I ping from my FreeBSD to the FC2 box, then the switch lights do > not blink. This leads me to suspect that the packets from the BSD host > are never making it to the network cable - is my network card > supported I wonder. > > What I have seen is that this same network card works when I boot to > RHEL4.3 which is the other OS on this box and it does ping alright > between the two boxes. > > On FreeBSD, this NIC is detected as AMD 79c79x - I could do ifconfig > to set the IP and netmask - no errors were reported. However it does > not look like I am at all getting on the network with this. > > Cheers, > Andy >From the FreeBSD box, can you ping the loopback address: 127.0.0.1, if so, can you ping your ip address: 10.0.0.101. If so, can you ping your gateway? Did you set a gateway in /etc/rc.conf? defaultrouter="your gateway ip address" # Set to default gateway (or NO). Since you set it statically, is your netmask correct? From the FreeBSD box, when you boot to linux, is the duplex setting for you network card the same as when you boot FreeBSD? This is strange, needless to say. Bob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 11:48:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA45C16A492 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:48:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob.middaugh@comcast.net) Received: from alnrmhc11.comcast.net (alnrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.225.91]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE2243D46 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:48:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob.middaugh@comcast.net) Received: from freebsd (c7147679.state.nj.us[199.20.118.121]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060915114812b11009qpfse>; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:48:12 +0000 From: "Bob M." To: White Hat In-Reply-To: <20060914215728.8113.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060914215728.8113.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:49:53 -0400 Message-Id: <1158320993.25573.13.camel@freebsd> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Users Questions Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bob.middaugh@comcast.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:48:14 -0000 On Thu, 2006-09-14 at 14:57 -0700, White Hat wrote: > FreeBSD 6.1 > > I have been trying to get a few of my friends to try > FBSD on their PCs without much success. One of the > major problems is the inability to get flash to work > properly to display videos available on Google. I know > that the linux-flash port is marked broken, so that it > out. How else can I get flash to work so I can perhaps > persuade them to try FBSD? > > I have KDE and Firefox installed obviously. I tried > loading a few of the flash packages available in the > ports, but they did not not seem to work. > > Thanks! > This works for me, make sure you have the src tree under /usr/src. http://www.unixlike.com.br/?p=%2081 There's an english translation somewhere, but if you just follow the commands you'll be ok. Bob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 11:56:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38FC816A407 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:56:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.grant@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C713C43D78 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:56:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from michael.grant@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 13so1309596nzn for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 04:56:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=PsmSft6Meb8fYsJe5C9a8AgY0/LGXfy0dKRQWw4CT74fgtUcHHOXC/2/hvaBWEh7KeuLrSqYIjDXVrgwSLNJjZw6tY+/4qHa+fcbiUyaxcDGJHGVDvhQKk4VKVegr4GKKkEfatGn3XmXi6DQ/p1Vll2X1Y7xhP1kFOcrOpalwpY= Received: by 10.64.193.8 with SMTP id q8mr8809526qbf; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 04:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.124.15 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 04:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <62b856460609150456j590be070v420472f319f06947@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:56:42 +0200 From: "Michael Grant" Sender: michael.grant@gmail.com To: "Giorgos Keramidas" In-Reply-To: <20060915101824.GB30999@gothmog.pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <62b856460609141011s72e72eah70996448f74e7cd0@mail.gmail.com> <20060915101824.GB30999@gothmog.pc> X-Google-Sender-Auth: e9053cd35a9ec652 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:56:51 -0000 env | sort | grep CVS returns nothing. There are no CVS* variables set! Strange. Where is it getting the cvsroot from? Even if I remove the .cvspass file, it still uses the pserver line from before. It's definitely getting cached somewhere. greping the env for pserver shows nothing. Incidently, I also removed root's ~root/.cvspass but it didn't change anything. Still open for ideas. Michael Grant On 9/15/06, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2006-09-14 19:11, Michael Grant wrote: > > I'm being driven slowly mad by cvs... > > > > I have 3 boxes, one is acting as a cvs server. The "cvs clients" (for > > lack of a better term) are running 6.1 and should be configured the > > same. Yet, one machine lets me do a cvs login, the other requires I > > use cvs -d :psserver:.. with each cvs command. > > > > I do not have CVSROOT set on either machine. > > > > What I get is this: > > > > [#822] cvs login > > Logging in to :pserver:myname@myserver/home/foo/bar > > cvs login: authorization failed: server myserver rejected access to > > /home/foo/bar for user mgrant > > > > yet, on the other machine, I get a password prompt and all is fine. > > Someone sets CVSROOT, if you can just type "cvs login" and get a prompt > for ``Logging in to :pserver:myname@myserver/home/foo/bar''. > > Can you run, on both systems, the following? > > $ env | sort | grep CVS > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 12:01:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4969E16A494 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:01:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arindam.mukerjee@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A0B343D73 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:01:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from arindam.mukerjee@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so3736558pye for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:01:14 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=e/uZ7exreJNOMUV9rBESmyN11iA5OMvs4VNFsdFzyqACXMIFXAp1hmhNmt+7Claau7yuVogGaJ2IGBxeu3arbxFPyRh6VwxA35oZQ+PU8M+rs65xBCK5MKAhUfbCd/BZ3kNRx6t2ANjgt8l+yhAiBtBZau09s5o6KsU0w3ug+Z4= Received: by 10.35.53.18 with SMTP id f18mr17130101pyk; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.13.20 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:31:14 +0530 From: Arindam To: bob.middaugh@comcast.net In-Reply-To: <1158320583.25573.9.camel@freebsd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <3748E46A-16BD-4AD9-8EC3-84B10538F2BB@u.washington.edu> <49B0565D-2C10-43CF-AB15-9CD712EFC074@u.washington.edu> <1158320583.25573.9.camel@freebsd> Cc: Garrett Cooper , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network connectivity between FreeBSD and Linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:01:23 -0000 > > > >> > > > >> > I have FreeBSD 6.1 installed on one machine and Fedora Core 2 on > > > >> > another. I dual boot the FreeBSD 6.1 machine with a RedHat EL 4.3 > > > >> > installation. I have assigned the same static IP address and > > > >> hostname > > > >> > to this machine for both the FreeBSD and RHEL installations. > > > >> > > > > >> > While my RHEL installation is running, I am able to communicate > > > >> with > > > >> > the FC2 installation over the network. When FreeBSD is running, all > > > >> > pings from either side fail. I have no clue if I need to look at > > > >> some > > > >> > special configuration, or is it a problem with the basics. > > > >> > > > > >> > Wond'ring what to do. > > > >> > > > > >> > Cheers, > > > >> > Andy > > > >> > -- > > > >> > > > >> /sbin/ifconfig output? Also, do you happen to have a firewall in your > > > >> FreeBSD OS setup :)? > > > > 1. No firewall running. > > 2. Here is the output: > > > > pcn0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > > inet6 fe80::260:b0ff:fe87:42ca%pcn0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 > > inet 10.0.0.101 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.0.0.255 > > ether 00:60:b0:87:42:ca > > media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) > > status: active > > plip0: flags=108810 mtu 1500 > > lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 > > inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 > > inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3 > > inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 > > > > > > What I have noticed is that when I ping from the other machine (FC2) > > then at least the two lights corresponding to these two machines > > blink. > > > > When I ping from my FreeBSD to the FC2 box, then the switch lights do > > not blink. This leads me to suspect that the packets from the BSD host > > are never making it to the network cable - is my network card > > supported I wonder. > > > > What I have seen is that this same network card works when I boot to > > RHEL4.3 which is the other OS on this box and it does ping alright > > between the two boxes. > > > > On FreeBSD, this NIC is detected as AMD 79c79x - I could do ifconfig > > to set the IP and netmask - no errors were reported. However it does > > not look like I am at all getting on the network with this. > > > > Cheers, > > Andy > > >From the FreeBSD box, can you ping the loopback address: 127.0.0.1, if > so, can you ping your ip address: 10.0.0.101. If so, can you ping your > gateway? Did you set a gateway in /etc/rc.conf? loopback: Yes I can ping it. 10.0.0.101: Yes again I can ping it. But I set this as the gateway. I just got two home PCs connected to each other over a 5-port switch with. 10.0.0.100 and 10.0.0.101 (this one). I set this as the gateway because a while later when I hook this to the web, this will be the box. And I might add a couple of more boxes to this network at best. I did not set a gateway in /etc/rc.conf. I configured the whole thing using sysinstall and a couple of times after that using ifconfig (ip addr and netmask). > > defaultrouter="your gateway ip address" # Set to default > gateway (or NO). But I guess whatever the method, such an entry would have been written to rc.conf. > > Since you set it statically, is your netmask correct? From the FreeBSD > box, when you boot to linux, is the duplex setting for you network card > the same as when you boot FreeBSD? This is strange, needless to say. My netmask is 255.255.255.0. That's a choice ... I am not sure I can offhand say if that's the correct choice or not. With the eventual size of my network that I can anticipate, I could even set it to 255.255.255.192 may be. How do you find out the duplex setting :P (terribly ashamed of my newbiness). I guess it is full duplex under both. > > Bob > > Cheers, Andy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 12:08:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D36316A40F for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:08:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D1B43D46 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:08:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.pc (host5.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.229]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-2) with ESMTP id k8FC8JuN013141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:08:25 +0300 Received: from gothmog.pc (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.pc (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k8FC8d8a033429; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:08:40 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.pc (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id k8FC8ZA1033428; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:08:35 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:08:35 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Michael Grant Message-ID: <20060915120835.GB33397@gothmog.pc> References: <62b856460609141011s72e72eah70996448f74e7cd0@mail.gmail.com> <20060915101824.GB30999@gothmog.pc> <62b856460609150456j590be070v420472f319f06947@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <62b856460609150456j590be070v420472f319f06947@mail.gmail.com> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.77, required 5, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.17, BAYES_00 -2.60, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY 0.00) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:08:44 -0000 On 2006-09-15 13:56, Michael Grant wrote: >On 9/15/06, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >>On 2006-09-14 19:11, Michael Grant wrote: >>> I'm being driven slowly mad by cvs... >>> >>> I have 3 boxes, one is acting as a cvs server. The "cvs clients" (for >>> lack of a better term) are running 6.1 and should be configured the >>> same. Yet, one machine lets me do a cvs login, the other requires I >>> use cvs -d :psserver:.. with each cvs command. >>> >>> I do not have CVSROOT set on either machine. >>> >>> What I get is this: >>> >>> [#822] cvs login >>> Logging in to :pserver:myname@myserver/home/foo/bar >>> cvs login: authorization failed: server myserver rejected access to >>> /home/foo/bar for user mgrant >>> >>> yet, on the other machine, I get a password prompt and all is fine. >> >> Someone sets CVSROOT, if you can just type "cvs login" and get a prompt >> for ``Logging in to :pserver:myname@myserver/home/foo/bar''. >> >> Can you run, on both systems, the following? >> >> $ env | sort | grep CVS > > env | sort | grep CVS > returns nothing. There are no CVS* variables set! Strange. Where is > it getting the cvsroot from? Even if I remove the .cvspass file, it > still uses the pserver line from before. It's definitely getting > cached somewhere. greping the env for pserver shows nothing. Do you have a local CVS/ subdirectory when you try "cvs login"? If yes, what does it contain? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 12:19:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E97A16A412 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:19:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: from sigma.octantis.com.au (ns2.octantis.com.au [207.44.189.124]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8638D43D6D for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:19:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: (qmail 13020 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2006 22:19:40 +1000 Received: from andromeda.lef.com.au (HELO localhost) (210.8.93.2) by sigma.octantis.com.au with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 15 Sep 2006 22:19:40 +1000 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:19:37 +1000 From: Norberto Meijome To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060915221937.7fa5b309@localhost> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.4.0 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Bluetooth : Broadcom Corp BCM2045B X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:19:43 -0000 Hi all, I can't seem to find support for bluetooth on the Broadcom Corp BCM2045B chipset. Do the other broadcom 20xxx series support this chipset? Is the one that comes as part of the iwi on Thinkpad z60m laptop ( iwi0: ) if sysctl dev.acpi_ibm.0.events=1 , Fn F5 doesnt trigger anything... if disabling acpi_ibm.0.events ( = 0), Fn-F5 seems to pick it up ... light comes up in panel...but not sure if it GETS enabled...: Aug 31 00:00:55 ayiin kernel: ugen1: Broadcom Corp BCM2045B, rev 2.00/1.00,addr 3 $ sysctl dev.iwi.0 dev.iwi.0.%desc: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2915ABG dev.iwi.0.%driver: iwi dev.iwi.0.%location: slot=2 function=0 dev.iwi.0.%pnpinfo: vendor=0x8086 device=0x4224 subvendor=0x8086 \ subdevice=0x1010 class=0x028000 dev.iwi.0.%parent: pci20 dev.iwi.0.radio: 1 dev.iwi.0.dwell: 100 dev.iwi.0.bluetooth: 0 dev.iwi.0.antenna: 0 dev.iwi.0.softled: 1 dev.iwi.0.ledpin: 16 dev.iwi.0.ledidle: 4860 dev.iwi.0.nictype: 5 $ sysctl dev.acpi_ibm.0 dev.acpi_ibm.0.%desc: IBM ThinkPad ACPI Extras dev.acpi_ibm.0.%driver: acpi_ibm dev.acpi_ibm.0.%location: handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.HKEY dev.acpi_ibm.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=IBM0068 _UID=0 dev.acpi_ibm.0.%parent: acpi0 dev.acpi_ibm.0.initialmask: 2060 dev.acpi_ibm.0.availmask: 16777215 dev.acpi_ibm.0.events: 0 dev.acpi_ibm.0.eventmask: 16777215 dev.acpi_ibm.0.hotkey: 2342 dev.acpi_ibm.0.lcd_brightness: 0 dev.acpi_ibm.0.volume: 3 dev.acpi_ibm.0.mute: 0 dev.acpi_ibm.0.thinklight: 0 dev.acpi_ibm.0.bluetooth: 1 dev.acpi_ibm.0.wlan: 1 If i try to handle the acpi myself, i can't see the device attaching to ugen0... any pointers would be greatly appreciated :) Best regards, _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." Mark Twain I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 12:23:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9242E16A403 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:23:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from buhnux@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2DAA43D5C for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:23:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from buhnux@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so3742788pye for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:23:04 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=gvXFTWT/rnXQgWUAcXtMCmwDJzLd8ZlnnsOYgwn50OXkdnkyIZJRKdx2GUQE3zXDupl6UhrkdpWq4lO9328to9jWU3SiS9lin1a9oexO7/9SSWGaZ1MBiBiCMM49VBPMKFSEfBwjvwtCQQEa4e095/dVtgEeqo0x3PI5bFxvvYA= Received: by 10.35.109.2 with SMTP id l2mr17160161pym; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.90.6 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:23:03 -0400 From: "michael johnson" Sender: buhnux@gmail.com To: "Garrett Cooper" In-Reply-To: <3E42E83B-EFB0-4BCA-BFF3-5116AEE93B19@u.washington.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060914222340.41828.qmail@web60119.mail.yahoo.com> <407F2CFB-1DED-4466-86E2-ACD171AD07CC@mac.com> <3E42E83B-EFB0-4BCA-BFF3-5116AEE93B19@u.washington.edu> X-Google-Sender-Auth: d0186cf6493c95d2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:23:05 -0000 On 9/14/06, Garrett Cooper wrote: > > On Sep 15, 2006, at 7:54 AM, Chuck Swiger wrote: > > > On Sep 14, 2006, at 3:23 PM, Peter wrote: > >> Yes, the Flash issue is a real bummer. It is best *not* to show your > >> friends that when you introduce them to FBSD. > > > > Why? Is there some reason that you or they want to watch ads? > > > > I can't think of a single site that I use that needs Flash; I don't > > install it even on a Windows or MacOS X box. > > > > -- > > -Chuck > > Unfortunately a lot of consumer sites are starting to use flash as a > semi-static and predictable way to deliver content to people; it's > incredibly annoying, and becomes very noticeable once you install > stuff that blocks SWF files: http://www.noscript.net/whats :). Thus, > that is one solution to get rid of your ads (adblock+ is another, but > meh), so you can keep Flash functionality and get rid of crappy Flash > animations, while surfing the net. > > Also, FYI: a lot of sites have built animations with (Adobe) Flash 9, > so unless you have a Windows or Mac PC nearby you probably won't be > able to load up animations on a Unix PC as the latest version > available is 7. Go to http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform and ask adobe for a native version of flash for FreeBSD. -Garrett > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 12:29:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 081A816A47B; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:29:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from mh2.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB53B43D53; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:29:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from [10.177.171.220] (neutrino.centtech.com [10.177.171.220]) by mh2.centtech.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k8FCT4l1027947; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:29:04 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <450A9C9A.8080702@centtech.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:29:14 -0500 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060802) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Norberto Meijome References: <20060915221937.7fa5b309@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20060915221937.7fa5b309@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1884/Thu Sep 14 15:15:20 2006 on mh2.centtech.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bluetooth : Broadcom Corp BCM2045B X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:29:05 -0000 On 09/15/06 07:19, Norberto Meijome wrote: > Hi all, > I can't seem to find support for bluetooth on the Broadcom Corp BCM2045B > chipset. > > Do the other broadcom 20xxx series support this chipset? Is the one that comes > as part of the iwi on Thinkpad z60m laptop ( iwi0: 2915ABG> ) Did you load the broadcom bluetooth firmware, and the bluetooth modules? Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Sr. Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Anything that works is better than anything that doesn't. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 12:30:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB9E16A494 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:30:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A9B43D53 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:30:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 30173 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2006 12:30:27 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Sep 2006 12:30:27 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 0A4352842D; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:30:25 -0400 (EDT) To: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) References: <10609140727.AA28689@pluto.rain.com> <20060914160534.GA53648@xor.obsecurity.org> <10609142107.AA01301@pluto.rain.com> <44u03auon5.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <10609150259.AA02100@pluto.rain.com> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:30:24 -0400 In-Reply-To: <10609150259.AA02100@pluto.rain.com> (Perry Hutchison's message of "Thu, 14 Sep 06 19:59:21 PDT") Message-ID: <441wqd2ty7.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mount_ext2fs returning ENODEV on 6.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:30:28 -0000 perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) writes: >> The standard kernel doesn't have ext2fs support now; I doubt the 6.1 >> release was different. Try loading it as a module; "kldload ext2fs". > > It seems not to be that easy :( > > # kldload ext2fs > kldload: can't load ext2fs: No such file or directory > > Where is ext2fs.ko supposed to have come from? A search for ext2fs > in the Handbook found nothing applicable, and I have already built > and installed /usr/ports/sysutils/e2fsprogs. I checked the 6.1 install disks, and saw ext2fs.ko in boot/kernel, just like I'd expect. I've rebuilt with newer sources several times since then, but I'm surprised if it isn't there on your disk. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 12:31:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5B4D16A415 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:31:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com (mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A821943D64 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:31:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from collaborativefusion.com (mx01.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.201]) (TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by wingspan with esmtp; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:31:44 -0400 id 00056425.450A9D30.00002705 Received: from Internal Mail-Server (206.210.89.202) by mx01 (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 15 Sep 2006 08:28:31 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:31:42 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: Arindam Message-Id: <20060915083142.15602164.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> In-Reply-To: References: <3748E46A-16BD-4AD9-8EC3-84B10538F2BB@u.washington.edu> <49B0565D-2C10-43CF-AB15-9CD712EFC074@u.washington.edu> <1158320583.25573.9.camel@freebsd> Organization: Collaborative Fusion X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.7 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Garrett Cooper , bob.middaugh@comcast.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network connectivity between FreeBSD and Linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:31:50 -0000 In response to Arindam : [snip] > > >From the FreeBSD box, can you ping the loopback address: 127.0.0.1, if > > so, can you ping your ip address: 10.0.0.101. If so, can you ping your > > gateway? Did you set a gateway in /etc/rc.conf? > > loopback: Yes I can ping it. > > 10.0.0.101: Yes again I can ping it. But I set this as the gateway. I > just got two home PCs connected to each other over a 5-port switch > with. 10.0.0.100 and 10.0.0.101 (this one). I set this as the gateway > because a while later when I hook this to the web, this will be the > box. And I might add a couple of more boxes to this network at best. Don't do that. It may be the cause of your problem -- in any case, it's incorrect. Leave the system without a gateway if you don't have one. > I did not set a gateway in /etc/rc.conf. I configured the whole thing > using sysinstall and a couple of times after that using ifconfig (ip > addr and netmask). If you did it via sysinstall, then it was written to rc.conf. > > defaultrouter="your gateway ip address" # Set to default > > gateway (or NO). > > But I guess whatever the method, such an entry would have been written > to rc.conf. Yes. -- Bill Moran Collaborative Fusion Inc. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 12:39:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC87B16A4A7 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:39:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arindam.mukerjee@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F0D43D5F for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:39:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from arindam.mukerjee@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so3747567pye for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:39:02 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CeJONuNYgQ2JyV8TMaL8z2zh5A1TY5JPMjXl4pF+AqvMXQXj/m1LjKp5GuxL36uGs0TGwHjM4ffVQ5FJrCjwCAWiaiS7JKpQCbWco+ulmeUsrrPd9hIaBiS6lrxe+rEe4Arc7EdJOCu/KkFuON4eM+xjuKjt/sxiuLBTELcOr6k= Received: by 10.35.72.6 with SMTP id z6mr17192501pyk; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.13.20 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:09:01 +0530 From: Arindam To: "Bill Moran" In-Reply-To: <20060915083142.15602164.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <3748E46A-16BD-4AD9-8EC3-84B10538F2BB@u.washington.edu> <49B0565D-2C10-43CF-AB15-9CD712EFC074@u.washington.edu> <1158320583.25573.9.camel@freebsd> <20060915083142.15602164.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> Cc: Garrett Cooper , bob.middaugh@comcast.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network connectivity between FreeBSD and Linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:39:09 -0000 > In response to Arindam : > > [snip] > > > > >From the FreeBSD box, can you ping the loopback address: 127.0.0.1, if > > > so, can you ping your ip address: 10.0.0.101. If so, can you ping your > > > gateway? Did you set a gateway in /etc/rc.conf? > > > > loopback: Yes I can ping it. > > > > 10.0.0.101: Yes again I can ping it. But I set this as the gateway. I > > just got two home PCs connected to each other over a 5-port switch > > with. 10.0.0.100 and 10.0.0.101 (this one). I set this as the gateway > > because a while later when I hook this to the web, this will be the > > box. And I might add a couple of more boxes to this network at best. > > Don't do that. It may be the cause of your problem -- in any case, > it's incorrect. Leave the system without a gateway if you don't have > one. I tried once without setting a gateway also. It did not make a difference. I should have mentioned that. > > > I did not set a gateway in /etc/rc.conf. I configured the whole thing > > using sysinstall and a couple of times after that using ifconfig (ip > > addr and netmask). > > If you did it via sysinstall, then it was written to rc.conf. > > > > defaultrouter="your gateway ip address" # Set to default > > > gateway (or NO). > > > > But I guess whatever the method, such an entry would have been written > > to rc.conf. > > Yes. > > -- > Bill Moran > Collaborative Fusion Inc. > I came across this post. Seems like there is a problem with the drivers for this particular device. http://www.archivesat.com/New_Zealand_FreeBSD_Users_group/thread440374.htm The poster here seems to have had a similar ethernet card as I do. May be I should try swapping the ethernet cards of the FC2 and FreeBSD boxes. I am sure the FC2 box has a different network card. Cheers, Andy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 12:49:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3F0616A403 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:49:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arindam.mukerjee@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B42043D46 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:49:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from arindam.mukerjee@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so3750871pye for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:49:01 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CeJONuNYgQ2JyV8TMaL8z2zh5A1TY5JPMjXl4pF+AqvMXQXj/m1LjKp5GuxL36uGs0TGwHjM4ffVQ5FJrCjwCAWiaiS7JKpQCbWco+ulmeUsrrPd9hIaBiS6lrxe+rEe4Arc7EdJOCu/KkFuON4eM+xjuKjt/sxiuLBTELcOr6k= Received: by 10.35.72.6 with SMTP id z6mr17192501pyk; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.13.20 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:09:01 +0530 From: Arindam To: "Bill Moran" In-Reply-To: <20060915083142.15602164.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <3748E46A-16BD-4AD9-8EC3-84B10538F2BB@u.washington.edu> <49B0565D-2C10-43CF-AB15-9CD712EFC074@u.washington.edu> <1158320583.25573.9.camel@freebsd> <20060915083142.15602164.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> Cc: Garrett Cooper , bob.middaugh@comcast.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network connectivity between FreeBSD and Linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:49:02 -0000 > In response to Arindam : > > [snip] > > > > >From the FreeBSD box, can you ping the loopback address: 127.0.0.1, if > > > so, can you ping your ip address: 10.0.0.101. If so, can you ping your > > > gateway? Did you set a gateway in /etc/rc.conf? > > > > loopback: Yes I can ping it. > > > > 10.0.0.101: Yes again I can ping it. But I set this as the gateway. I > > just got two home PCs connected to each other over a 5-port switch > > with. 10.0.0.100 and 10.0.0.101 (this one). I set this as the gateway > > because a while later when I hook this to the web, this will be the > > box. And I might add a couple of more boxes to this network at best. > > Don't do that. It may be the cause of your problem -- in any case, > it's incorrect. Leave the system without a gateway if you don't have > one. I tried once without setting a gateway also. It did not make a difference. I should have mentioned that. > > > I did not set a gateway in /etc/rc.conf. I configured the whole thing > > using sysinstall and a couple of times after that using ifconfig (ip > > addr and netmask). > > If you did it via sysinstall, then it was written to rc.conf. > > > > defaultrouter="your gateway ip address" # Set to default > > > gateway (or NO). > > > > But I guess whatever the method, such an entry would have been written > > to rc.conf. > > Yes. > > -- > Bill Moran > Collaborative Fusion Inc. > I came across this post. Seems like there is a problem with the drivers for this particular device. http://www.archivesat.com/New_Zealand_FreeBSD_Users_group/thread440374.htm The poster here seems to have had a similar ethernet card as I do. May be I should try swapping the ethernet cards of the FC2 and FreeBSD boxes. I am sure the FC2 box has a different network card. Cheers, Andy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 13:07:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 895B916A407 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:07:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from datahead4@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.225]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2886D43D45 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:07:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from datahead4@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 71so1028140wri for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:07:52 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=UmEdY7nNzAkMnnZhjEBYdB+uN8J73HwQmK8GcoWKoWuAhFeeicXsnKYP6hcYAbEOOYttjcTVl7auDdjQ79LHICgnwUFGqT8ikvE76FEuaeSYGQuoP5wagSl9twWX3iWFh8HJOdx9UkprmuH4qUJSKcB616hiDxkdy4ScXShD3Jg= Received: by 10.90.84.17 with SMTP id h17mr3665586agb; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.82.19 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:07:52 -0500 From: Matt To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: FreeBSD as a gaming server platform X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:07:53 -0000 Are there any kernel tunables that you would recommend setting to increase performance on FreeBSD 6.x for running gaming servers (e.g. Quake 4, CS:S, etc)? It appears that the default settings are not performing nearly as well on FreeBSD as they are on Linux on similar hardware, and it seems to be something network related. I did some searching for settings that could increase max packet rates and such, but to no avail. Thank you, Matt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 13:25:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAFE016A407 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:25:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: from sigma.octantis.com.au (ns2.octantis.com.au [207.44.189.124]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D9B843D45 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:25:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: (qmail 15270 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2006 23:25:18 +1000 Received: from andromeda.lef.com.au (HELO localhost) (210.8.93.2) by sigma.octantis.com.au with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 15 Sep 2006 23:25:18 +1000 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 23:25:14 +1000 From: Norberto Meijome To: Eric Anderson Message-ID: <20060915232514.7fddefa8@localhost> In-Reply-To: <450A9C9A.8080702@centtech.com> References: <20060915221937.7fa5b309@localhost> <450A9C9A.8080702@centtech.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.4.0 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bluetooth : Broadcom Corp BCM2045B X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:25:20 -0000 On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:29:14 -0500 Eric Anderson wrote: > On 09/15/06 07:19, Norberto Meijome wrote: > > Hi all, > > I can't seem to find support for bluetooth on the Broadcom Corp BCM2045B > > chipset. > > > > Do the other broadcom 20xxx series support this chipset? Is the one that > > comes as part of the iwi on Thinkpad z60m laptop ( iwi0: > PRO/Wireless > > 2915ABG> ) > > Did you load the broadcom bluetooth firmware, and the bluetooth modules? hmm no.. i'll sit down and test it all again now that my box is stable again on rELENG_6_1... I wanted to make sure it *should* work... thanks, and sorry for the noise... (late night at work waiting for the rest of the team to finish their part .... :) ) B _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome "The greater danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it. But that it is too low... and we reach it." Michelangelo (1475-1564) I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 14:22:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D59DC16A412 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:22:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6416543D77 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:22:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com) Received: from frontend3.internal (frontend3.internal [10.202.2.152]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F842DA6A22 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat2.internal ([10.202.2.161]) by frontend3.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:22:41 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: PesVTAcGcVWY+MIr5WA18Wb6hUxuVkWep58eMV+YZZTx 1158330160 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA3025BEB for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:22:38 +0100 From: RW To: FreeBSD Users Questions Message-ID: <257D290F82FC6FAB8865E52F@gumby.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20060914215728.8113.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060914215728.8113.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.5 (Linux/x86) X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.5 (Freebsd/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:22:41 -0000 --On Thursday, September 14, 2006 14:57:28 -0700 White Hat wrote: > FreeBSD 6.1 > > I have been trying to get a few of my friends to try > FBSD on their PCs without much success. One of the > major problems is the inability to get flash to work > properly to display videos available on Google. I know > that the linux-flash port is marked broken, so that it > out. How else can I get flash to work so I can perhaps > persuade them to try FBSD? Adobe have announced that Flash 8 and all previous versions have multiple critical vulnerabilities. Presumably Adobe have been sitting on these bugs for some time; a month or so after the release of Flash 9 is pretty convenient for them. Since the highest version of the linux plugin is 7, there is currently no Adobe version that can be run safely on Linux, BSD or Solaris. I understand that Adobe have indicated that there will eventually be a Linux Flash 9, and hopefully it will work on FreeBSD. There are open source versions, but they aren't much good in my experience, I going to be booting into Windows if I really need flash. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 14:34:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1A4316A416 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:34:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36F4343D46 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:34:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8FEY6wm080662; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:34:06 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k8FEY6SG080661; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:34:06 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:34:01 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Chuck Swiger Message-ID: <20060915143401.GA80615@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20060914222340.41828.qmail@web60119.mail.yahoo.com> <407F2CFB-1DED-4466-86E2-ACD171AD07CC@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <407F2CFB-1DED-4466-86E2-ACD171AD07CC@mac.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Peter , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:34:53 -0000 On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 03:54:38PM -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Sep 14, 2006, at 3:23 PM, Peter wrote: > >Yes, the Flash issue is a real bummer. It is best *not* to show your > >friends that when you introduce them to FBSD. > > Why? Is there some reason that you or they want to watch ads? > > I can't think of a single site that I use that needs Flash; I don't > install it even on a Windows or MacOS X box. I don't normally use it either, but there are sites that do videos programs that are all in flash and others that use it for graphic demonstrations. So, it is a feature that is desired by many. It pains me to have to reboot to Microsloth to see something on those sites. ////jerry > > -- > -Chuck > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 14:44:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BA1C16A40F for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:44:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from e.schuele@computer.org) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.200.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCFAC43D46 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:44:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from e.schuele@computer.org) Received: from [208.206.151.59] (host59.gtisd.com?[208.206.151.59]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with ESMTP id <2006091514445401400br6a1e>; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:44:54 +0000 Message-ID: <450ABC66.2040903@computer.org> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:44:54 -0500 From: Eric Schuele User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060801) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "felix.schalck" References: <20060914215728.8113.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060914222340.41828.qmail@web60119.mail.yahoo.com> <20060915004844.GA7149@powerfull.bsd> <450A64D0.3020401@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <450A64D0.3020401@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:44:56 -0000 On 09/15/06 03:31, felix.schalck wrote: > Is the language/interpreter used by FLASH copyrighted, so that there > isn't any possibility for an open source player ? There is Gnash: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Regards, Eric From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 14:45:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A0BD16A47B for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:45:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob.middaugh@comcast.net) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.192.81]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42CC943D46 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:45:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob.middaugh@comcast.net) Received: from freebsd (c7147679.state.nj.us[199.20.118.121]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060915144458m110090qe4e>; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:44:59 +0000 From: "Bob M." To: Bill Moran In-Reply-To: <20060915083142.15602164.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> References: <3748E46A-16BD-4AD9-8EC3-84B10538F2BB@u.washington.edu> <49B0565D-2C10-43CF-AB15-9CD712EFC074@u.washington.edu> <1158320583.25573.9.camel@freebsd> <20060915083142.15602164.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:46:39 -0400 Message-Id: <1158331599.25573.23.camel@freebsd> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Garrett Cooper , Arindam , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network connectivity between FreeBSD and Linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bob.middaugh@comcast.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:45:02 -0000 On Fri, 2006-09-15 at 08:31 -0400, Bill Moran wrote: > In response to Arindam : > > [snip] > > > > >From the FreeBSD box, can you ping the loopback address: 127.0.0.1, if > > > so, can you ping your ip address: 10.0.0.101. If so, can you ping your > > > gateway? Did you set a gateway in /etc/rc.conf? > > > > loopback: Yes I can ping it. > > > > 10.0.0.101: Yes again I can ping it. But I set this as the gateway. I > > just got two home PCs connected to each other over a 5-port switch > > with. 10.0.0.100 and 10.0.0.101 (this one). I set this as the gateway > > because a while later when I hook this to the web, this will be the > > box. And I might add a couple of more boxes to this network at best. > > Don't do that. It may be the cause of your problem -- in any case, > it's incorrect. Leave the system without a gateway if you don't have > one. > > > I did not set a gateway in /etc/rc.conf. I configured the whole thing > > using sysinstall and a couple of times after that using ifconfig (ip > > addr and netmask). > > If you did it via sysinstall, then it was written to rc.conf. > > > > defaultrouter="your gateway ip address" # Set to default > > > gateway (or NO). > > > > But I guess whatever the method, such an entry would have been written > > to rc.conf. > > Yes. > The output of ifconfig shows the duplex setting, you're set to 100 full right now. Can you set the switch port to 100 full, if it's not already. We have issues with our cisco switches being set to auto, they have to be forced to 100 full or we get 0 connectivity between broadcom cards and cisco 4500's. Trying a different card is a good idea if you have one. Helps rule some things out at least. Bob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 14:46:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D363A16A403 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:46:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB14A43D67 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:46:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8FEjcFb080701; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:45:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k8FEjcft080700; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:45:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:45:38 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Jona Joachim Message-ID: <20060915144538.GB80615@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20060914222340.41828.qmail@web60119.mail.yahoo.com> <407F2CFB-1DED-4466-86E2-ACD171AD07CC@mac.com> <4509F7DB.7080500@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4509F7DB.7080500@web.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Peter , White Hat , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:46:30 -0000 On Fri, Sep 15, 2006 at 02:46:19AM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote: > Chuck Swiger wrote: > > On Sep 14, 2006, at 3:23 PM, Peter wrote: > >> Yes, the Flash issue is a real bummer. It is best *not* to show your > >> friends that when you introduce them to FBSD. > > > > Why? Is there some reason that you or they want to watch ads? > > > > I can't think of a single site that I use that needs Flash; I don't > > install it even on a Windows or MacOS X box. > > I don't have the need for Flash either. Youtube and Google Video should > provide their videos in a proper way. > I still believe in dynamic SVG for clear animations. You can watch one > of those on the Opera site about SVG, it's great. > Nobody needs proprietary binary formats on the Internet. Nice thought, but the real world is full of flash, much as it annoys me. By the way, I didn't find an SVG animation on the Opera page though it mentioned SVG and hyped it a little. ////jerry > > --jona > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 14:55:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52C7E16A403 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:55:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.233]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 560DE43D6D for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:55:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so3136977wxd for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.37.12 with SMTP id k12mr14768773wxk; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net ( [67.189.184.224]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id i14sm65264wxd.2006.09.15.07.55.33; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E0DDBFEF for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA80BBF61 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by scorpio.seibercom.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k8FEtS2d048693 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:55:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) From: Gerard Seibert Organization: Seibercom.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:55:16 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <20060914222340.41828.qmail@web60119.mail.yahoo.com> <407F2CFB-1DED-4466-86E2-ACD171AD07CC@mac.com> <20060915143401.GA80615@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> In-Reply-To: <20060915143401.GA80615@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(=?utf-8?q?gxJxxc=0A=09RnSNPNr*/=5E=7EStawWU9KDJ-CT0k=24f=23?=@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1857025.hEj3uEI9oM"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200609151055.27827.gerard@seibercom.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: gerard@seibercom.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:55:46 -0000 --nextPart1857025.hEj3uEI9oM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Friday 15 September 2006 10:34, Jerry McAllister wrote: > I don't normally use it either, but there are sites that do videos > programs that are all in flash and others that use it for graphic > demonstrations. So, it is a feature that is desired by many. =A0It pains = me > to have to reboot to Microsloth to see something on those sites. I concure; having to use a different PC just to view a web page is a=20 negative factor. I have also noticed that several sites, one bing CBSNews.= =20 is now doing streaming real-time video; however, it is only viewable via MS= =20 Media Player. It specifically states on the web page that 'realplayer' is=20 not fully compatible and not used for many of the feeds. It would be nice if a fully compatible player were available for FBSD. I=20 hate switching between PCs. =2D-=20 Gerard God gave man two ears and one tongue so that we listen twice as much as we speak. Arab proverb --nextPart1857025.hEj3uEI9oM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBFCr7fs3R1WQUU6lgRAjgFAKCDX0PVDpWpfpgwzINpyB5lehYjzACdGvFF JJiXFLXfjRw4Pl8p76h7p0I= =LPTm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1857025.hEj3uEI9oM-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 15:52:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54A4016A415 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:52:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jaj13@web.de) Received: from fmmailgate02.web.de (fmmailgate02.web.de [217.72.192.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56A943D49 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:52:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jaj13@web.de) Received: from smtp07.web.de (fmsmtp07.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.215]) by fmmailgate02.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFEAD1DBFF24; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:52:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [83.99.27.193] (helo=[10.0.0.11]) by smtp07.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.107 #114) id 1GOFzi-000484-00; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:52:46 +0200 Message-ID: <450ACC4D.2090500@web.de> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:52:45 +0200 From: Jona Joachim User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060915) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jerry McAllister References: <20060914222340.41828.qmail@web60119.mail.yahoo.com> <407F2CFB-1DED-4466-86E2-ACD171AD07CC@mac.com> <4509F7DB.7080500@web.de> <20060915144538.GB80615@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> In-Reply-To: <20060915144538.GB80615@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: jaj13@web.de X-Sender: jaj13@web.de Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:52:50 -0000 Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Fri, Sep 15, 2006 at 02:46:19AM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote: > >> Chuck Swiger wrote: >>> On Sep 14, 2006, at 3:23 PM, Peter wrote: >>>> Yes, the Flash issue is a real bummer. It is best *not* to show your >>>> friends that when you introduce them to FBSD. >>> Why? Is there some reason that you or they want to watch ads? >>> >>> I can't think of a single site that I use that needs Flash; I don't >>> install it even on a Windows or MacOS X box. >> I don't have the need for Flash either. Youtube and Google Video should >> provide their videos in a proper way. >> I still believe in dynamic SVG for clear animations. You can watch one >> of those on the Opera site about SVG, it's great. >> Nobody needs proprietary binary formats on the Internet. > > Nice thought, but the real world is full of flash, much as it annoys me. > > By the way, I didn't find an SVG animation on the Opera page though > it mentioned SVG and hyped it a little. It's there: http://www.opera.com/products/desktop/svg/ Your browser has to support SVG 1.1 Tiny to view it. I know that Firefox (even 2.0) and Konqueror don't support it yet. Opera supports it from version 8 on. --jona From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 15:56:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB2D16A415 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:56:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jaj13@web.de) Received: from fmmailgate03.web.de (fmmailgate03.web.de [217.72.192.234]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F5243D46 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:56:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jaj13@web.de) Received: from smtp07.web.de (fmsmtp07.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.215]) by fmmailgate03.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 201DA1E769CD; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:56:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [83.99.27.193] (helo=[10.0.0.11]) by smtp07.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.107 #114) id 1GOG3i-0004zi-00; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:56:55 +0200 Message-ID: <450ACD46.4080804@web.de> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:56:54 +0200 From: Jona Joachim User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060915) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: michael johnson References: <20060914222340.41828.qmail@web60119.mail.yahoo.com> <407F2CFB-1DED-4466-86E2-ACD171AD07CC@mac.com> <3E42E83B-EFB0-4BCA-BFF3-5116AEE93B19@u.washington.edu> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: jaj13@web.de X-Sender: jaj13@web.de Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:56:56 -0000 michael johnson wrote: > On 9/14/06, Garrett Cooper wrote: >> >> On Sep 15, 2006, at 7:54 AM, Chuck Swiger wrote: >> >> > On Sep 14, 2006, at 3:23 PM, Peter wrote: >> >> Yes, the Flash issue is a real bummer. It is best *not* to show your >> >> friends that when you introduce them to FBSD. >> > >> > Why? Is there some reason that you or they want to watch ads? >> > >> > I can't think of a single site that I use that needs Flash; I don't >> > install it even on a Windows or MacOS X box. >> > >> > -- >> > -Chuck >> >> Unfortunately a lot of consumer sites are starting to use flash as a >> semi-static and predictable way to deliver content to people; it's >> incredibly annoying, and becomes very noticeable once you install >> stuff that blocks SWF files: http://www.noscript.net/whats :). Thus, >> that is one solution to get rid of your ads (adblock+ is another, but >> meh), so you can keep Flash functionality and get rid of crappy Flash >> animations, while surfing the net. >> >> Also, FYI: a lot of sites have built animations with (Adobe) Flash 9, >> so unless you have a Windows or Mac PC nearby you probably won't be >> able to load up animations on a Unix PC as the latest version >> available is 7. > > > Go to http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform and > ask adobe for a native version of flash for FreeBSD. Great! I bet if everybody fills out this form and asks for a FreeBSD native version they will perhaps pay attention. --jona From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 15:58:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB97E16A417 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:58:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.grant@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6897F43D66 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:58:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from michael.grant@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 13so1361547nzn for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:58:16 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=BbdtroPT1JOFlzEe0UqRTMB1wpSG1CkKSadbB4ML0Ax/CUQ3ME67oI/IU6neXSOvHp6J14LqapJ6zc01bUAw4tNarFFpmq3rWmi5b/GncWQhwG//jCdYKqgBmbap6zTQLMGQjKr86KLkoBh4aKXcqDrgOXSSGvg2xHML9NCoyTI= Received: by 10.65.116.7 with SMTP id t7mr12420778qbm; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.124.15 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <62b856460609150858v4e8a2213m3096ce1a49fc80c8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:58:16 +0200 From: "Michael Grant" Sender: michael.grant@gmail.com To: "Giorgos Keramidas" In-Reply-To: <20060915120835.GB33397@gothmog.pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <62b856460609141011s72e72eah70996448f74e7cd0@mail.gmail.com> <20060915101824.GB30999@gothmog.pc> <62b856460609150456j590be070v420472f319f06947@mail.gmail.com> <20060915120835.GB33397@gothmog.pc> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 46accd199f3b4b6c Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:58:24 -0000 [#786] ls -l CVS total 6 -rw-r--r-- 1 mgrant 1001 197 Oct 16 2005 Entries -rw-r--r-- 1 mgrant 1001 8 May 30 2005 Repository -rw-r--r-- 1 mgrant 1001 55 May 30 2005 Root [#787] cat CVS/Root :pserver:xgrant:xxxxxx@grant.org/home/ng/tools/cvsroot Ok, so that solve that mystery. However, I still cannot log in on one machine yet I can on the other: Except for the Entries file, Root and Repository are identical in the CVS directory. cvs login Logging in to :pserver:xgrant@grant.org:2401/home/ng/tools/cvsroot cvs login: authorization failed: server grant.org rejected access to /home/ng/tools/cvsroot for user mgrant Michael Grant On 9/15/06, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2006-09-15 13:56, Michael Grant wrote: > >On 9/15/06, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > >>On 2006-09-14 19:11, Michael Grant wrote: > >>> I'm being driven slowly mad by cvs... > >>> > >>> I have 3 boxes, one is acting as a cvs server. The "cvs clients" (for > >>> lack of a better term) are running 6.1 and should be configured the > >>> same. Yet, one machine lets me do a cvs login, the other requires I > >>> use cvs -d :psserver:.. with each cvs command. > >>> > >>> I do not have CVSROOT set on either machine. > >>> > >>> What I get is this: > >>> > >>> [#822] cvs login > >>> Logging in to :pserver:myname@myserver/home/foo/bar > >>> cvs login: authorization failed: server myserver rejected access to > >>> /home/foo/bar for user mgrant > >>> > >>> yet, on the other machine, I get a password prompt and all is fine. > >> > >> Someone sets CVSROOT, if you can just type "cvs login" and get a prompt > >> for ``Logging in to :pserver:myname@myserver/home/foo/bar''. > >> > >> Can you run, on both systems, the following? > >> > >> $ env | sort | grep CVS > > > > env | sort | grep CVS > > returns nothing. There are no CVS* variables set! Strange. Where is > > it getting the cvsroot from? Even if I remove the .cvspass file, it > > still uses the pserver line from before. It's definitely getting > > cached somewhere. greping the env for pserver shows nothing. > > Do you have a local CVS/ subdirectory when you try "cvs login"? > > If yes, what does it contain? > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 15:59:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8754016A5CF for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:59:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD9CC43D5D for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:59:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8FFwkb1081161; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:58:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k8FFwkTI081160; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:58:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:58:46 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Jona Joachim Message-ID: <20060915155846.GA81142@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20060914222340.41828.qmail@web60119.mail.yahoo.com> <407F2CFB-1DED-4466-86E2-ACD171AD07CC@mac.com> <4509F7DB.7080500@web.de> <20060915144538.GB80615@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <450ACC4D.2090500@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <450ACC4D.2090500@web.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:59:34 -0000 On Fri, Sep 15, 2006 at 05:52:45PM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote: > Jerry McAllister wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 15, 2006 at 02:46:19AM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote: > > > >> Chuck Swiger wrote: > >>> On Sep 14, 2006, at 3:23 PM, Peter wrote: > >>>> Yes, the Flash issue is a real bummer. It is best *not* to show your > >>>> friends that when you introduce them to FBSD. > >>> Why? Is there some reason that you or they want to watch ads? > >>> > >>> I can't think of a single site that I use that needs Flash; I don't > >>> install it even on a Windows or MacOS X box. > >> I don't have the need for Flash either. Youtube and Google Video should > >> provide their videos in a proper way. > >> I still believe in dynamic SVG for clear animations. You can watch one > >> of those on the Opera site about SVG, it's great. > >> Nobody needs proprietary binary formats on the Internet. > > > > Nice thought, but the real world is full of flash, much as it annoys me. > > > > By the way, I didn't find an SVG animation on the Opera page though > > it mentioned SVG and hyped it a little. > > It's there: http://www.opera.com/products/desktop/svg/ > Your browser has to support SVG 1.1 Tiny to view it. I know that Firefox > (even 2.0) and Konqueror don't support it yet. Opera supports it from > version 8 on. OK. I see it. But since I am running Firefox, it doesn't do much. Are you proposing to add SVG to Firefox or create a 'plugin' for Firefox? ////jerry > > --jona From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 16:01:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E34A16A412 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:01:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jaj13@web.de) Received: from fmmailgate03.web.de (fmmailgate03.web.de [217.72.192.234]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B498843D46 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:01:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jaj13@web.de) Received: from smtp08.web.de (fmsmtp08.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.216]) by fmmailgate03.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC0761F9D04F; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:01:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [83.99.27.193] (helo=[10.0.0.11]) by smtp08.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.107 #114) id 1GOG8K-0004NS-00; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:01:40 +0200 Message-ID: <450ACE63.1060904@web.de> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:01:39 +0200 From: Jona Joachim User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060915) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gerard@seibercom.net References: <20060914222340.41828.qmail@web60119.mail.yahoo.com> <407F2CFB-1DED-4466-86E2-ACD171AD07CC@mac.com> <20060915143401.GA80615@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <200609151055.27827.gerard@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <200609151055.27827.gerard@seibercom.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: jaj13@web.de X-Sender: jaj13@web.de Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:01:42 -0000 Gerard Seibert wrote: > On Friday 15 September 2006 10:34, Jerry McAllister wrote: > >> I don't normally use it either, but there are sites that do videos >> programs that are all in flash and others that use it for graphic >> demonstrations. So, it is a feature that is desired by many. �It pains me >> to have to reboot to Microsloth to see something on those sites. > > I concure; having to use a different PC just to view a web page is a > negative factor. I have also noticed that several sites, one bing CBSNews. > is now doing streaming real-time video; however, it is only viewable via MS > Media Player. It specifically states on the web page that 'realplayer' is > not fully compatible and not used for many of the feeds. > > It would be nice if a fully compatible player were available for FBSD. I > hate switching between PCs. MPlayer handles wmv streams just fine. You may want to check out www/mplayer-plugin, it works perfectly for mozilla. --jona From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 16:05:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A2216A403 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:05:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sdonskikh@lifestyles.net) Received: from mail2.lifestyles.net (gate2.lifestyles.net [204.101.14.234]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF27F43D66 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:05:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sdonskikh@lifestyles.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [192.168.1.52]) by mail2.lifestyles.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5466833E2D for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:00:00 -0400 From: Sergey Donskikh To: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" X-Priority: 3 Organization: Lifestyles Global Network X-Mailer: Bynari Insight Connector 3.1.0-0427200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060915160443.5466833E2D@mail2.lifestyles.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Constant changing ahc0: Transceiver state changing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:05:02 -0000 I have the same error messages on my Mail server and can not login as a roo= t as well. =20 Is anybody has a solution regarding this issue? =20 Thanks in advance. =20 Sergey Donskikh System Administrator Lifestyles Global Network 8100 Keele Street Vaughan ON Canada L4K 2A3 Tel. 905.760.9615 x2306 Fax. 905.760.9616 sdonskikh@lifestyles.net =20 Live Better. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 16:05:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF64E16A415; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:05:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63E0E43D5C; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:05:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 400E31A3C1F; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:05:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A875F513F0; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:05:08 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: Colin Percival Message-ID: <20060915160508.GA71900@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <450A4F26.3020702@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <450A4F26.3020702@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: ke han , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portsdb -Uu X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:05:13 -0000 --OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 11:58:46PM -0700, Colin Percival wrote: > ke han wrote: > > I am using > > portsnap fetch > > portsnap update > >=20 > > to sync my ports tree on FreeBSd 6.1...it seems it maintains an index > > when I run update. >=20 > Yes. >=20 > > I am used to using: > > portsversion and portsupdate to upgrade ports...in this method I have > > also used > > portsdb -Uu > > to rebuild an index anytime prior to running these commands...yes > > portsdb takes a while and I've always wondered if this is necessary > > prior to running any of these commands.. >=20 > portsdb -Uu does two things: > 1. It rebuilds the ports INDEX. This is done by "portsdb -U" and takes a= long time. > 2. It rebuilds the ports INDEX.db database. This is done by "portsdb -u"= , takes > only a few seconds, and is done automatically when you run portupgrade if= the > database is out of date. >=20 > > So my question is: Is the index being maintained by portsnap the same > > or a replacement to that used by portupgrade? Do I have to maintain > > both sets of indexes in order to use portsupdate?? >=20 > The ports INDEX file generated by "portsdb -U" is the same file as portsn= ap > generates. Since the INDEX.db database is generated automatically, this = means > there is no need to run portsdb between running portsnap and running port= upgrade. >=20 > My standard ports update/upgrade procedure is: > portsnap fetch > portsnap update > pkg_version -vIL=3D # this is equivalent to "portversion -vL=3D" > portupgrade -a When I installed portsnap with 'portsnap fetch extract' and then ran portupgrade -fa (this was during an update from 6.x to 7.x), it replaced the index with the one from 'make fetchindex'. >=20 > Colin Percival > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" >=20 --OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFCs80Wry0BWjoQKURAsdcAJ4w+yG1gjwiWe5CaP9aI85e2mhaMwCeI1R7 0DAWVCNdmp+hBeXlLsHWANI= =JJsE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 16:07:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB73A16A416; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:07:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AABD43D46; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:07:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) id k8FG7qv4082239; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:07:52 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:07:52 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: Ian Smith Message-ID: <20060915160752.GC55663@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20060914142023.GB91336@dan.emsphone.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-OS: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: "Tamouh H." , questions@freebsd.org, Giorgos Keramidas Subject: Re: Top not showing cpu usage even remotely accurately X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:07:56 -0000 In the last episode (Sep 15), Ian Smith said: > On Thu, 14 Sep 2006, Dan Nelson wrote: > > I would guess that maybe xmms (or some other threaded app) is your > > hidden CPU consumer. The kernel does not calculate %CPU correctly > > for libkse-threaded programs, and they usually show up as 0% all > > the time. The TIME column does update correctly, though. If you > > switch to libthr with libmap.conf, you'll get accurate threaded > > %CPU reporting. > > I assume then that libkse is what the three multi-thread programs I'm > running (xmms, mozilla-bin and mysqld) are now using, where for each > of them `ldd $program | grep thr` shows > libpthread.so.1 => /usr/lib/libpthread.so.1 > > So can/should I set in (a new) /etc/libmap.conf generally: > libpthread.so.1 libthr.so.1 > libpthread.so libthr.so > > or would it be better to just target these specific programs, eg: > > [/usr/X11R6/lib/mozilla/mozilla-bin/] # assuming loaded with full path? > libpthread.so.1 libthr.so.1 > libpthread.so libthr.so > > Are there any likely downsides to using libthr instead? Esp. mysqld? Ya, libkse was the name of the default thread library before it was renamed to "libpthread". I use a global map (like in your first example) myself. I have a lightly-used mysql database on my machine and haven't noticed any problems with it or any other threaded apps. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 16:08:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20F7F16A566 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:08:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2947243D45 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:08:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.pc (host5.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.229]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-2) with ESMTP id k8FG7tEa015564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:07:57 +0300 Received: from gothmog.pc (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.pc (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k8FG8GAu038076; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:08:16 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.pc (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id k8FG8Brp038075; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:08:11 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:08:11 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Michael Grant Message-ID: <20060915160811.GB38014@gothmog.pc> References: <62b856460609141011s72e72eah70996448f74e7cd0@mail.gmail.com> <20060915101824.GB30999@gothmog.pc> <62b856460609150456j590be070v420472f319f06947@mail.gmail.com> <20060915120835.GB33397@gothmog.pc> <62b856460609150858v4e8a2213m3096ce1a49fc80c8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <62b856460609150858v4e8a2213m3096ce1a49fc80c8@mail.gmail.com> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.769, required 5, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.17, BAYES_00 -2.60, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY 0.00) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:08:15 -0000 On 2006-09-15 17:58, Michael Grant wrote: > [#786] ls -l CVS > total 6 > -rw-r--r-- 1 mgrant 1001 197 Oct 16 2005 Entries > -rw-r--r-- 1 mgrant 1001 8 May 30 2005 Repository > -rw-r--r-- 1 mgrant 1001 55 May 30 2005 Root > [#787] cat CVS/Root > :pserver:xgrant:xxxxxx@grant.org/home/ng/tools/cvsroot > > Ok, so that solve that mystery. However, I still cannot log in on one > machine yet I can on the other: Except for the Entries file, Root and > Repository are identical in the CVS directory. > > cvs login > Logging in to :pserver:xgrant@grant.org:2401/home/ng/tools/cvsroot > cvs login: authorization failed: server grant.org rejected access to > /home/ng/tools/cvsroot for user mgrant The CVS server seems to be using some sort of CVS access control, i.e. by a CVSROOT/readers or CVSROOT/writers file or something similar. I am not sure of all the gory details about your particular setup, but the message seems to imply that `mgrant' is blocked by the access controls of the server itself. Do you have a CVSROOT/readers or CVSROOT/writers in /home/ng/tools/cvsroot/CVSROOT/ on the CVS server? If yes, what do they contain? Please take care of masking any sensitive data (like user passwords), if you sent their contents!!! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 16:41:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B715516A407 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:41:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from msoulier@digitaltorque.ca) Received: from mail.storm.ca (mail.storm.ca [209.87.239.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98A9E43D6A for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:40:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from msoulier@digitaltorque.ca) Received: from tigger.digitaltorque.ca (hs-216-106-102-70.storm.ca [216.106.102.70]) by mail.storm.ca (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8FGepD5015414 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tigger.digitaltorque.ca (Postfix, from userid 500) id 706E111EE2F; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:40:46 -0400 From: "Michael P. Soulier" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060915164046.GN11663@tigger.digitaltorque.ca> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200609150147.k8F1l73F029577@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <450A0E7F.5090400@voidcaptain.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="quagH4H09id5XL2e" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <450A0E7F.5090400@voidcaptain.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: Poutupgrade unsafe X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:41:01 -0000 --quagH4H09id5XL2e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 14/09/06 Pete Slagle said: > This one bit me too, but we have only ourselves to blame; there was a > clear (well, pretty clear) warning of the change in /usr/ports/UPDATING. >=20 > You would never forget to check UPDATING before running portupgrade > would you? :) A nice portupgrade feature would be to grok UPDATING, and present you with = any such notes before the upgrade occurs. Mike --=20 Michael P. Soulier "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction." --Albert Einstein --quagH4H09id5XL2e Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD4DBQFFCteOKGqCc1vIvggRAjZ6AJjJsjJQQM5PmuXU7MGAg4upkT6vAJ9vCe2B 4uBBpfzaGolRuGXj8JS5/Q== =//py -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --quagH4H09id5XL2e-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 16:47:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5BDC16A417 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:47:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D014A43D7C for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:47:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.28]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 15 Sep 2006 12:47:43 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,171,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="300426364:sNHT27070392" Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.7.5a-GA) with ESMTP id GZG38359; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-6-203-219.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.203.219]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 15 Sep 2006 12:47:32 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,171,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="277323092:sNHT26059982" From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17674.55586.202599.446947@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:47:30 -0400 To: FreeBSD Questions In-Reply-To: <20060915144538.GB80615@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20060914222340.41828.qmail@web60119.mail.yahoo.com> <407F2CFB-1DED-4466-86E2-ACD171AD07CC@mac.com> <4509F7DB.7080500@web.de> <20060915144538.GB80615@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta27) "fiddleheads" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090202.450AD769.007C,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=207.172.4.11, so=2006-05-09 23:27:51, dmn=5.2.113/2006-07-26 Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:47:54 -0000 Jerry McAllister writes: > Nice thought, but the real world is full of flash, much as it > annoys me. I am running into an increasing number of web sites - including those of mega-corporations - where the home page is 100% Flash, leaving no way to get inside if you don't do .swf. Short of a native Flash Player (not holding my breath), the correct long-term solution is for someone with the right skill-set (regrettably not me) to fix www/linuxpluginwrapper. This will not only make using Linux Flash players feasible, but will bring joy to the hearts of the many who want to use other Linux plugins. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 16:56:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A69BC16A40F for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:56:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D38D43D70 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:56:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so3168459wxd for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:56:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.18.11 with SMTP id 11mr15408323wxr; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:56:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net ( [67.189.184.224]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id h13sm14304135wxd.2006.09.15.09.56.23; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:56:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8035C333 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C219C31E for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by scorpio.seibercom.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k8FGuIDq094532 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:56:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) From: Gerard Seibert Organization: Seibercom.net To: FreeBSD Question Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:56:15 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <20060914222340.41828.qmail@web60119.mail.yahoo.com> <200609151055.27827.gerard@seibercom.net> <450ACE63.1060904@web.de> In-Reply-To: <450ACE63.1060904@web.de> X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(=?utf-8?q?gxJxxc=0A=09RnSNPNr*/=5E=7EStawWU9KDJ-CT0k=24f=23?=@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609151256.18147.gerard@seibercom.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: gerard@seibercom.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:56:29 -0000 On Friday 15 September 2006 12:01, Jona Joachim wrote: [...] > MPlayer handles wmv streams just fine. > You may want to check out www/mplayer-plugin, it works perfectly for > mozilla. OK, I all ready have that installed. How am I suppose to configure it so that when I click on a link that is suppose to require MS Media Player it intercepts it and displays the streaming video? -- Gerard Power corrupts. Powerpoint corrupts absolutely. Vint Cerf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 17:02:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 645) id E476B16A417; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:02:00 +0000 (UTC) To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: <20060915170200.E476B16A417@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:02:00 +0000 (UTC) From: grog@FreeBSD.ORG (Greg Lehey) Cc: Subject: How to get best results from FreeBSD-questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:02:01 -0000 How to get the best results from FreeBSD questions. =================================================== Last update $Date: 2005/08/10 02:21:44 $ This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD questions mailing list. If you got it in answer to a message you sent, it means that the sender thinks that at least one of the following things was wrong with your message: - You left out a subject line, or the subject line was not appropriate. - You formatted it in such a way that it was difficult to read. - You asked more than one unrelated question in one message. - You sent out a message with an incorrect date, time or time zone. - You sent out the same message more than once. - You sent an 'unsubscribe' message to FreeBSD-questions. If you have done any of these things, there is a good chance that you will get more than one copy of this message from different people. Read on, and your next message will be more successful. This document is also available on the web at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html. ===================================================================== Contents: I: Introduction II: How to unsubscribe from FreeBSD-questions III: Should I ask -questions or -hackers? IV: How to submit a question to FreeBSD-questions V: How to answer a question to FreeBSD-questions I: Introduction =============== This is a regular posting aimed to help both those seeking advice from FreeBSD-questions (the "newcomers"), and also those who answer the questions (the "hackers"). Note that the term "hacker" has nothing to do with breaking into other people's computers. The correct term for the latter activity is "cracker", but the popular press hasn't found out yet. The FreeBSD hackers disapprove strongly of cracking security, and have nothing to do with it. In the past, there has been some friction which stems from the different viewpoints of the two groups. The newcomers accused the hackers of being arrogant, stuck-up, and unhelpful, while the hackers accused the newcomers of being stupid, unable to read plain English, and expecting everything to be handed to them on a silver platter. Of course, there's an element of truth in both these claims, but for the most part these viewpoints come from a sense of frustration. In this document, I'd like to do something to relieve this frustration and help everybody get better results from FreeBSD-questions. In the following section, I recommend how to submit a question; after that, we'll look at how to answer one. II: How to unsubscribe from FreeBSD-questions ============================================== When you subscribed to FreeBSD-questions, you got a welcome message from freebsd-questions-request@FreeBSD.ORG. In this message, amongst other things, it told you how to unsubscribe. Here's a typical message: Welcome to the freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list! If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your subscription page at: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions/me@me.org (obviously, substitute your mail address for "me@me.org"). You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org with the word 'help' in the subject or body (don't include the quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. You must know your password to change your options (including changing the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. Normally, Mailman will remind you of your freebsd.org mailing list passwords once every month, although you can disable this if you prefer. This reminder will also include instructions on how to unsubscribe or change your account options. There is also a button on your options page that will email your current password to you. Here's the general information for the list you've subscribed to, in case you don't already have it: FREEBSD-QUESTIONS User questions This is the mailing list for questions about FreeBSD. You should not send "how to" questions to the technical lists unless you consider the question to be pretty technical. Normally, unsubscribing is even simpler than the message suggests: you don't need to specify your mail ID unless it is different from the one which you specified when you subscribed. If Majordomo replies and tells you (incorrectly) that you're not on the list, this may mean one of two things: 1. You have changed your mail ID since you subscribed. That's where keeping the original message from majordomo comes in handy. For example, the sample message above shows my mail ID as grog@lemis.de. Since then, I have changed it to grog@lemis.com. If I were to try to remove grog@lemis.com from the list, it would fail: I would have to specify the name with which I joined. 2. You're subscribed to a mailing list which is subscribed to FreeBSD-questions. If that's the case, you'll have to figure out which one it is and get your name taken off that one. If you're not sure which one it might be, check the headers of the messages you receive from freebsd-questions: maybe there's a clue there. If you've done all this, and you still can't figure out what's going on, send a message to Postmaster@FreeBSD.org, and he will sort things out for you. Don't send a message to FreeBSD-questions: they can't help you. III: Should I ask -questions or -hackers? ========================================= Two mailing lists handle general questions about FreeBSD, FreeBSD-questions and FreeBSD-hackers. In some cases, it's not really clear which group you should ask. The following criteria should help for 99% of all questions, however: If the question is of a general nature, first check whether this isn't a Frequently Asked Question (FAQ). There's a list of these questions at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/index.html, and also on your own system (once you've installed it) at /usr/share/doc/en/books/faq/index.html. Check there, and if you don't find an answer, ask FreeBSD-questions. Examples might be questions about installing FreeBSD or the use of a particular UNIX utility. If you think the question relates to a bug, but you're not sure, or you don't know how to look for it, send the message to FreeBSD-questions. If the question relates to a bug, and you're almost sure that it's a bug (for example, you can pinpoint the place in the code where it happens, and you maybe have a fix), then send the message to FreeBSD-hackers. You should also enter a problem report with the send-pr utility. If the question relates to enhancements to FreeBSD, and you can make suggestions about how to implement them, then send the message to FreeBSD-hackers. If the question is of particularly technical nature, such as implementation details or suggestions for improvements, then send the message to FreeBSD-hackers. There are also a number of other specialized mailing lists, for example FreeBSD-isp, which caters to the interests of ISPs (Internet Service Providers) who run FreeBSD. If you happen to be an ISP, this doesn't mean you should automatically send your questions to FreeBSD-isp. The criteria above still apply, and it's in your interest to stick to them, since you're more likely to get good results that way. IV: How to submit a question ============================= When submitting a question to FreeBSD-questions, consider the following points: 1. Remember that nobody gets paid for answering a FreeBSD question. They do it of their own free will. You can influence this free will positively by submitting a well-formulated question supplying as much relevant information as possible. You can influence this free will negatively by submitting an incomplete, illegible, or rude question. It's perfectly possible to send a message to FreeBSD-questions and not get an answer even if you follow these rules. It's much more possible to not get an answer if you don't. In the rest of this document, we'll look at how to get the most out of your question to FreeBSD-questions. 2. Not everybody who answers FreeBSD questions reads every message: they look at the subject line and decide whether it interests them. Clearly, it's in your interest to specify a subject. ``FreeBSD problem'' or ``Help'' aren't enough. If you provide no subject at all, many people won't bother reading it. If your subject isn't specific enough, the people who can answer it may not read it. 3. When sending a new message, well, send a new message. Don't reply to some other message, erase the old content and change the subject line. That leaves an In-reply-to: header which many mail readers use to thread messages, so your message shows up as a reply to some other message. People often delete messages a whole thread at a time, so apart from irritating people, you also run a chance of having the message deleted unread. 4. Format your message so that it is legible, and PLEASE DON'T SHOUT!!!!!. We appreciate that a lot of people don't speak English as their first language, and we try to make allowances for that, but it's really painful to try to read a message written full of typos or without any line breaks. A lot of badly formatted messages come from bad mailers or badly configured mailers. The following mailers are known to send out badly formatted messages without you finding out about them: Eudora exmh Microsoft Exchange Microsoft Internet Mail Microsoft Outlook Netscape As you can see, the mailers in the Microsoft world are frequent offenders. If at all possible, use a UNIX mailer. If you must use a mailer under Microsoft environments, make sure it is set up correctly. Try not to use MIME: a lot of people use mailers which don't get on very well with MIME. For further information on this subject, check out http://www.lemis.com/email.html. 5. Make sure your time and time zone are set correctly. This may seem a little silly, since your message still gets there, but many of the people you are trying to reach get several hundred messages a day. They frequently sort the incoming messages by subject and by date, and if your message doesn't come before the first answer, they may assume they missed it and not bother to look. 6. Don't include unrelated questions in the same message. Firstly, a long message tends to scare people off, and secondly, it's more difficult to get all the people who can answer all the questions to read the message. 7. Specify as much information as possible. This is a difficult area, and we need to expand on what information you need to submit, but here's a start: If you get error messages, don't say ``I get error messages'', say (for example) ``I get the error message 'No route to host'''. If your system panics, don't say ``My system panicked'', say (for example) ``my system panicked with the message 'free vnode isn't'''. If you have difficulty installing FreeBSD, please tell us what hardware you have. In particular, it's important to know the IRQs and I/O addresses of the boards installed in your machine. If you have difficulty getting PPP to run, describe the configuration. Which version of PPP do you use? What kind of authentication do you have? Do you have a static or dynamic IP address? What kind of messages do you get in the log file? 8. If you don't get an answer immediately, or if you don't even see your own message appear on the list immediately, don't resend the message. Wait at least 24 hours. The FreeBSD mailer offloads messages to a number of subordinate mailers around the world, and sometimes it can take several hours for the mail to get through. And once it gets through, the one person who might know the answer will probably just have gone to bed in his part of the world. 9. If you do all this, and you still don't get an answer, there could be other reasons. For example, the problem is so complicated that nobody knows the answer, or the person who does know the answer was offline. If you don't get an answer after, say, a week, it might help to re-send the message. If you don't get an answer to your second message, though, you're probably not going to get one from this forum. Resending the same message again and again will only make you unpopular. To summarize, let's assume you know the answer to the following question (yes, it's the same one in each case :-). You choose which of these two questions you would be more prepared to answer: Message 1: Subject: (none) I just can't get hits damn silly FereBSD system to workd, and Im really good at this tsuff, but I have never seen anythign sho difficult to install, it jst wont work whatever I try so why don't y9ou guys tell me what I doing wrong. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message 2: Subject: Problems installing FreeBSD I've just got the FreeBSD 2.1.5 CD-ROM from Walnut Creek, and I'm having a lot of difficulty installing it. I have a 66 MHz 486 with 16 MB of memory and an Adaptec 1540A SCSI board, a 1.2GB Quantum Fireball disk and a Toshiba 3501XA CD-ROM drive. The installation works just fine, but when I try to reboot the system, I get the message "Missing Operating System". ---------------------------------------------------------------------- V: How to follow up to a question ================================= Often you will want to send in additional information to a question you have already sent. The best way to do this is to reply to your original message. This has three advantages: 1. You include the original message text, so people will know what you're talking about. Don't forget to trim unnecessary text out, though. 2. The text in the subject line stays the same (you did remember to put one in, didn't you?). Many mailers will sort messages by subject. This helps group messages together. 3. The message reference numbers in the header will refer to the previous message. Some mailers, such as mutt, can thread messages, showing the exact relationships between the messages. VI: How to answer a question ============================ Before you answer a question to FreeBSD-questions, consider: 1. A lot of the points on submitting questions also apply to answering questions. Read them. 2. Has somebody already answered the question? The easiest way to check this is to sort your incoming mail by subject: then (hopefully) you'll see the question followed by any answers, all together. If somebody has already answered it, it doesn't automatically mean that you shouldn't send another answer. But it makes sense to read all the other answers first. 3. Do you have something to contribute beyond what has already been said? In general, "Yeah, me too" answers don't help much, although there are exceptions, like when somebody is describing a problem he's having, and he doesn't know whether it's his fault or whether there's something wrong with the hardware or software. If you do send a "me too" answer, you should also include any further relevant information. 4. Are you sure you understand the question? Very frequently, the person who asks the question is confused or doesn't express himself very well. Even with the best understanding of the system, it's easy to send a reply which doesn't answer the question. This doesn't help: you'll leave the person who submitted the question more frustrated or confused than ever. If nobody else answers, and you're not too sure either, you can always ask for more information. 5. Are you sure your answer is correct? If not, wait a day or so. If nobody else comes up with a better answer, you can still reply and say, for example, "I don't know if this is correct, but since nobody else has replied, why don't you try replacing your ATAPI CD-ROM with a frog?". 6. Unless there's a good reason to do otherwise, reply to the sender and to FreeBSD-questions. Many people on the FreeBSD-questions are "lurkers": they learn by reading messages sent and replied to by others. If you take a message which is of general interest off the list, you're depriving these people of their information. Be careful with group replies; lots of people send messages with hundreds of CCs. If this is the case, be sure to trim the Cc: lines appropriately. 7. Include relevant text from the original message. Trim it to the minimum, but don't overdo it. It should still be possible for somebody who didn't read the original message to understand what you're talking about. 8. Use some technique to identify which text came from the original message, and which text you add. I personally find that prepending ``> '' to the original message works best. Leaving white space after the ``> '' and leave empty lines between your text and the original text both make the result more readable. 9. Put your response in the correct place (after the text to which it replies). It's very difficult to read a thread of responses where each reply comes before the text to which it replies. 10. Most mailers change the subject line on a reply by prepending a text such as ``Re: ''. If your mailer doesn't do it automatically, you should do it manually. 11. If the submitter didn't abide by format conventions (lines too long, inappropriate subject line), please fix it. In the case of an incorrect subject line (such as ``HELP!!??''), change the subject line to (say) ``Re: Difficulties with sync PPP (was: HELP!!??)''. That way other people trying to follow the thread will have less difficulty following it. In such cases, it's appropriate to say what you did and why you did it, but try not to be rude. If you find you can't answer without being rude, don't answer. If you just want to reply to a message because of its bad format, just reply to the submitter, not to the list. You can just send him this message in reply, if you like. $Id: Howto-ask-questions,v 1.6 2005/08/10 02:21:44 grog Exp $ _______________________________________________ Thanks to Josh Paetzel for updating this document to describe mailman. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 17:02:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 645) id E831D16A47C; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:02:00 +0000 (UTC) To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: <20060915170200.E831D16A47C@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:02:00 +0000 (UTC) From: grog@FreeBSD.ORG (Greg Lehey) Cc: Subject: "The Complete FreeBSD": errata and addenda X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:02:01 -0000 The trouble with books is that you can't update them the way you can a web page or any other online documentation. The result is that most leading edge computer books are out of date almost before they are printed. Unfortunately, The Complete FreeBSD, published by O'Reilly, is no exception. Inevitably, a number of bugs and changes have surfaced. "The Complete FreeBSD" has been through a total of five editions, including its predecessor "Installing and Running FreeBSD". Two of these have been reprinted with corrections. I maintain a series of errata pages. Start at http://www.lemis.com/errata-4.html to find out how to get the errata information. Note also that the book has now been released for free download in PDF form. Instead of downloading the changed pages, you may prefer to download the entire book. See http://www.lemis.com/grog/Documentation/CFBSD/ for more information. Have you found a problem with the book, or maybe something confusing? Please let me know: I'm no longer constantly updating it, but I may be able to help Greg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 17:15:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B84616A49E for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:15:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chobbs@siloamsprings.com) Received: from [24.248.215.40] (cityhall.siloamsprings.com [24.248.215.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DC5243D69 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:15:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chobbs@siloamsprings.com) Received: from no.name.available by [24.248.215.40] via smtpd (for mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) with ESMTP; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:12:15 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by athome.siloamsprings.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDD9B69409F; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:15:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by athome.siloamsprings.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC4DD6940A9; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:15:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from athome.siloamsprings.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (athome.siloamsprings.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14360-08; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:15:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [10.5.2.1] (unknown [10.5.2.1]) by athome.siloamsprings.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DAB669409F; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:15:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from no.name.available by [10.5.2.1] via smtpd (for athome.siloamsprings.com [10.5.2.3]) with ESMTP; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:12:09 -0500 Message-ID: <450ADFC4.7060905@siloamsprings.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:15:48 -0500 From: "Christopher M. Hobbs" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060731) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at siloamsprings.com Cc: jordilin@gmail.com Subject: RE: flash plugin and firefox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:15:48 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I couldn't find the original message in my mail folders, but there was discussion of an English translation of the unixlike.com.br flash+firefox howto. I wrote a translation for it some time back, it can be found here: http://altbit.org/?p=111 cmh - -- Christopher M. Hobbs IS Technician, City of Siloam Springs chobbs@siloamsprings.com, (479).524.5136 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFCt/E5D6v/aN2SK8RAj/+AJ0bOeJTaviMZpC8dDALThlGgIgl5ACfXMY9 EHcvQszQ1yzNHnplfgUeTaM= =RCsH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 17:29:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DF9216A403 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:29:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from d1945@sbcglobal.net) Received: from smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8DE2443D45 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:29:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from d1945@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 58844 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2006 17:29:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent; b=zcJZ+SNi8qiNJZFyuLUi3Fjtcmf7rBUKSLJVlLPok+SMxFhw5tq7r4bzceCjjmUr1CWOwCKIWrxwcqHyMoO4CdMdq2CJRKFAAimnzq0KpxVubRw647PH+Au6SLDOiEbtH0X0N7yz2fVizlREPvBBntZKr/8br13i7XuTJbmmDzE= ; Received: from unknown (HELO home) (d1945@sbcglobal.net@69.104.191.121 with login) by smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2006 17:29:33 -0000 Received: by home (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:29:32 -0700 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:29:32 -0700 From: George Allan To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20060915172932.GA844@home> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Questions References: <20060914222340.41828.qmail@web60119.mail.yahoo.com> <407F2CFB-1DED-4466-86E2-ACD171AD07CC@mac.com> <20060915143401.GA80615@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060915143401.GA80615@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:29:35 -0000 On Fri, Sep 15, 2006 at 10:34:01AM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 03:54:38PM -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote: > > > On Sep 14, 2006, at 3:23 PM, Peter wrote: > > >Yes, the Flash issue is a real bummer. It is best *not* to show your > > >friends that when you introduce them to FBSD. > > > > Why? Is there some reason that you or they want to watch ads? > > > > I can't think of a single site that I use that needs Flash; I don't > > install it even on a Windows or MacOS X box. > > I don't normally use it either, but there are sites that do videos programs > that are all in flash and others that use it for graphic demonstrations. > So, it is a feature that is desired by many. It pains me to have > to reboot to Microsloth to see something on those sites. You can visit www.linuxcbt.com (cue the Linux jokes) for an illustrative example. All the videos are in swf format, most likely generated using vnc2swf (available in ports, FWIW) or something similar. As a side note, mplayer doesn't support the swf format either. I once subscribed to the notion that Flash was wholly unecessary and the domain of ad companies, all the while knowing that there are amazingly creative sites (targeted at "creative types" or folks with "creative budgets") done entirely in Flash that most people, myself included, couldn't fault. It wasn't too long before I ended up installing the requisite browser plugin. Flash is now more popular than ever. And with Adobe's recent purchase of Macromedia, it would be naive to believe that Flash is going to fade away, or be relegated to a corner somewhere. Unwelcome ads of any sort can be blocked with little trouble -- it's the remaining content that's the problem, and there's more of it out there every day. That said, the linux-firefox approach does work surprisingly (or not so surprisingly) well, as does acroread (a must for those of us with notebooks or LCD screens). Doesn't mean I'm any less annoyed at the state of affairs. Or any more inclined to install Linux. ;-) Cheers. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 17:31:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DFC316A403 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:31:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chobbs@siloamsprings.com) Received: from [24.248.215.40] (cityhall.siloamsprings.com [24.248.215.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8130443D4C for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:31:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chobbs@siloamsprings.com) Received: from no.name.available by [24.248.215.40] via smtpd (for mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) with ESMTP; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:27:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by athome.siloamsprings.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5547694096 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:31:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by athome.siloamsprings.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16636940A3 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:31:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from athome.siloamsprings.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (athome.siloamsprings.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15058-01 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:31:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [10.5.2.1] (unknown [10.5.2.1]) by athome.siloamsprings.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC430694096 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:31:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from no.name.available by [10.5.2.1] via smtpd (for athome.siloamsprings.com [10.5.2.3]) with ESMTP; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:27:42 -0500 Message-ID: <450AE369.5090606@siloamsprings.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:31:21 -0500 From: "Christopher M. Hobbs" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060731) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20060915120051.72ED316A5C7@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20060915120051.72ED316A5C7@hub.freebsd.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at siloamsprings.com Subject: Re: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 151, Issue 14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:31:23 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Message: 27 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:49:53 -0400 From: "Bob M." Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash To: White Hat Cc: FreeBSD Users Questions Message-ID: <1158320993.25573.13.camel@freebsd> Content-Type: text/plain On Thu, 2006-09-14 at 14:57 -0700, White Hat wrote: > > FreeBSD 6.1 > > > > I have been trying to get a few of my friends to try > > FBSD on their PCs without much success. One of the > > major problems is the inability to get flash to work > > properly to display videos available on Google. I know > > that the linux-flash port is marked broken, so that it > > out. How else can I get flash to work so I can perhaps > > persuade them to try FBSD? > > > > I have KDE and Firefox installed obviously. I tried > > loading a few of the flash packages available in the > > ports, but they did not not seem to work. > > > > Thanks! > > > > > This works for me, make sure you have the src tree under /usr/src. > > > > > > http://www.unixlike.com.br/?p=%2081 > > > > > > There's an english translation somewhere, but if you just follow > > > the > > > commands you'll be ok. > > > > > > Bob I put together a really quick translation at work a while back for some co-workers. http://altbit.org/?p=111 Isn't the linux flash plugin 7 (used in this article) broken anyhow? See: http://www.freshports.org/www/linux-flashplugin7/ I've been trying to install it on a new machine with little luck. I normally don't have any problems, so it's probably just an oversight on my part. cmh - -- Christopher M. Hobbs IS Technician, City of Siloam Springs chobbs@siloamsprings.com, (479).524.5136 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFCuNp5D6v/aN2SK8RAsIWAJ4gCqD3Fk8PUR1bGKKZuenD/5GSJACeJDvm QYMLb38f4GuZEtEme21dej0= =Z6Xt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 17:38:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B45C16A403 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:38:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jaj13@web.de) Received: from fmmailgate03.web.de (fmmailgate03.web.de [217.72.192.234]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B80A43D46 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:38:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jaj13@web.de) Received: from smtp05.web.de (fmsmtp05.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.4.166]) by fmmailgate03.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A27691FA4EDE; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:38:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [83.99.27.193] (helo=[10.0.0.11]) by smtp05.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.107 #114) id 1GOHeR-00086a-00; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:38:55 +0200 Message-ID: <450AE52E.8090109@web.de> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:38:54 +0200 From: Jona Joachim User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060915) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gerard@seibercom.net References: <20060914222340.41828.qmail@web60119.mail.yahoo.com> <200609151055.27827.gerard@seibercom.net> <450ACE63.1060904@web.de> <200609151256.18147.gerard@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <200609151256.18147.gerard@seibercom.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: jaj13@web.de X-Sender: jaj13@web.de Cc: FreeBSD Question Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:38:57 -0000 Gerard Seibert wrote: > On Friday 15 September 2006 12:01, Jona Joachim wrote: > > [...] > >> MPlayer handles wmv streams just fine. >> You may want to check out www/mplayer-plugin, it works perfectly for >> mozilla. > > OK, I all ready have that installed. How am I suppose to configure it so > that when I click on a link that is suppose to require MS Media Player it > intercepts it and displays the streaming video? The MPlayer plugin loads the streams on the cbsnews.com front page just fine. What browser are you using? I know that the plugin works fine with Mozilla and Firefox but it doesn't work in Opera (unfortunately). Type "about:plugins" in the location bar and check for the "Windows Media Player Plugin" entry. If you can't find it in the list then the browser can't find the plugin, reinstalling may help. --jona From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 17:50:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE26316A40F for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:50:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jaj13@web.de) Received: from fmmailgate03.web.de (fmmailgate03.web.de [217.72.192.234]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEB4B43D45 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:50:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jaj13@web.de) Received: from smtp08.web.de (fmsmtp08.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.216]) by fmmailgate03.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AC631FA5BA0; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:50:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [83.99.27.193] (helo=[10.0.0.11]) by smtp08.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.107 #114) id 1GOHpF-0007XX-00; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:50:05 +0200 Message-ID: <450AE7CC.60501@web.de> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:50:04 +0200 From: Jona Joachim User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060915) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jerry McAllister References: <20060914222340.41828.qmail@web60119.mail.yahoo.com> <407F2CFB-1DED-4466-86E2-ACD171AD07CC@mac.com> <4509F7DB.7080500@web.de> <20060915144538.GB80615@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <450ACC4D.2090500@web.de> <20060915155846.GA81142@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> In-Reply-To: <20060915155846.GA81142@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: jaj13@web.de X-Sender: jaj13@web.de Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:50:08 -0000 Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Fri, Sep 15, 2006 at 05:52:45PM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote: > >> Jerry McAllister wrote: >>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2006 at 02:46:19AM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote: >>> >>>> Chuck Swiger wrote: >>>>> On Sep 14, 2006, at 3:23 PM, Peter wrote: >>>>>> Yes, the Flash issue is a real bummer. It is best *not* to show your >>>>>> friends that when you introduce them to FBSD. >>>>> Why? Is there some reason that you or they want to watch ads? >>>>> >>>>> I can't think of a single site that I use that needs Flash; I don't >>>>> install it even on a Windows or MacOS X box. >>>> I don't have the need for Flash either. Youtube and Google Video should >>>> provide their videos in a proper way. >>>> I still believe in dynamic SVG for clear animations. You can watch one >>>> of those on the Opera site about SVG, it's great. >>>> Nobody needs proprietary binary formats on the Internet. >>> Nice thought, but the real world is full of flash, much as it annoys me. >>> >>> By the way, I didn't find an SVG animation on the Opera page though >>> it mentioned SVG and hyped it a little. >> It's there: http://www.opera.com/products/desktop/svg/ >> Your browser has to support SVG 1.1 Tiny to view it. I know that Firefox >> (even 2.0) and Konqueror don't support it yet. Opera supports it from >> version 8 on. > > OK. I see it. But since I am running Firefox, it doesn't do much. > Are you proposing to add SVG to Firefox or create a 'plugin' for > Firefox? SVG 1.1 Tiny became a W3C recommendation on 14th January 2003 so I believe they will implement it sonner or later --jona From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 17:50:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8811616A407 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:50:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from whatawonderfulworldweliveintoo@yahoo.com) Received: from web58409.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web58409.mail.re3.yahoo.com [68.142.236.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AF85E43D46 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:50:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from whatawonderfulworldweliveintoo@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 13861 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Sep 2006 16:11:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=sIglkleD2/5StdJuQmxj/5Hj54IU/EhXGPzn8SR3BR7+0NNyCo9R0QzZRdWLOoiUcplgyzMlJpKc6xepge3BjLywsQMA0sSAwBRHguGbFbI2QRWs0tP6M/U4NFzOt8hLQ+rrtAWZoEhDcoRD6BGctdb48BlCBOmkKgotQPV4PbM= ; Message-ID: <20060915161149.13859.qmail@web58409.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.82.9.44] by web58409.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:11:49 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:11:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Ted Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: wvHTML, glib && libiconv X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:50:55 -0000 Hi; I need to install wvHTML. It's dependent on glib, which is dependent on libiconv. I'm on FreeBSD 6.1. It has libiconv installed. But glib says it can't find it: configure: error: *** No iconv() implementation found in C library or libiconv So I'm stuck. What do I do in situations like this? TIA, Ted 2 --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 18:05:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0DB16A412 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:05:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.grant@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1A3B43D5C for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:05:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from michael.grant@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 13so1385965nzn for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:05:20 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=TcQIJfSo41Ujxa82xijkTsGX/agP/nVGZykoYbBMTgETLVCnusEby/agP9/ke+vm5Vzxgla/hJmQOsbBrgmkjY72fz/4FOLl14d6do6V2CxR2J6pFLRrclPpQkEwlqAcyDZBxlGA2b3oSLxgtS2Q8XTMtIc1SGyhNy6qtOceECw= Received: by 10.65.122.20 with SMTP id z20mr9338187qbm; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:05:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.124.15 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <62b856460609151105u7443d883pce1b1e10ab849eb8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:05:19 +0200 From: "Michael Grant" Sender: michael.grant@gmail.com To: "Giorgos Keramidas" In-Reply-To: <20060915160811.GB38014@gothmog.pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <62b856460609141011s72e72eah70996448f74e7cd0@mail.gmail.com> <20060915101824.GB30999@gothmog.pc> <62b856460609150456j590be070v420472f319f06947@mail.gmail.com> <20060915120835.GB33397@gothmog.pc> <62b856460609150858v4e8a2213m3096ce1a49fc80c8@mail.gmail.com> <20060915160811.GB38014@gothmog.pc> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 635a1c4fe0b5fff7 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:05:27 -0000 On 9/15/06, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > The CVS server seems to be using some sort of CVS access control, i.e. > by a CVSROOT/readers or CVSROOT/writers file or something similar. I didn't set anything like that up. I simply added this line to /etc/inetd.conf: cvspserver stream tcp nowait root /usr/bin/cvs cvs --allow-root=/home/ng/tools/cvsroot --allow-root=/home/somewhere/else pserver > I am not sure of all the gory details about your particular setup, but > the message seems to imply that `mgrant' is blocked by the access > controls of the server itself. It sure seems that way. Or it seems that somehow it's proposing the wrong password. Hmm, now, here's something funny, the password in CVSROOT/Root is all lower case and my password is mixed case. I tried editing this file and adding the mixed case, but no, that didn't help. Then, I tried changing my password on the server to match the all lower case password it insists on putting in the Root file and now I can get in, but only if I provide the -d :pserver:.... on the command line. I tried setting CVSROOT but again, the same auth error. > Do you have a CVSROOT/readers or CVSROOT/writers in > /home/ng/tools/cvsroot/CVSROOT/ on the CVS server? > > If yes, what do they contain? Please take care of masking any sensitive > data (like user passwords), if you sent their contents!!! No, don't have any of these files on the server. At least I can now update my local copy from the cvs server using the long cmd line with the -d :pserver:... stuff. However, I'm still curious why setting CVSROOT isn't working. By the way, thanks for all your help. Michael Grant From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 18:23:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C053616A407 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:23:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@tania.servebbs.org) Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.1.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6149C43D53 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:23:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob@tania.servebbs.org) Received: from mailspool3.panix.com (mailspool3.panix.com [166.84.1.78]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56679D888 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tania.servebbs.org (pool-71-247-26-98.nycmny.east.verizon.net [71.247.26.98]) by mailspool3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DAD0B66943 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:23:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob Organization: TamaraB To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:22:53 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <20060915161149.13859.qmail@web58409.mail.re3.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060915161149.13859.qmail@web58409.mail.re3.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1795467.EIFpnrvkUA"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200609151423.11429.bob@tania.servebbs.org> Subject: Broken port? Broken port tree? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:23:58 -0000 --nextPart1795467.EIFpnrvkUA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Or am I doing something dumb? portaudit reported: Affected package: mailman-with-htdig-2.1.8_3 Type of problem: mailman -- Multiple Vulnerabilities. Reference:=20 Simple fix right? # portupgrade mailman-with-htdig =2D--> Upgrading 'mailman-with-htdig-2.1.8_3' to=20 'mailman-with-htdig-2.1.9.r1' (mail/mailman) =2D--> Building '/usr/ports/mail/mailman' =3D=3D=3D> Cleaning for python-2.4.3 =3D=3D=3D> Cleaning for mailman-with-htdig-2.1.9.r1 =3D=3D=3D> Found saved configuration for mailman-2.1.8_3 =3D=3D=3D> Extracting for mailman-with-htdig-2.1.9.r1 =3D> MD5 Checksum OK for mailman/mailman-2.1.9rc1.tgz. =3D> SHA256 Checksum OK for mailman/mailman-2.1.9rc1.tgz. =3D> No MD5 checksum recorded for mailman/indexing-2.1.6-0.1.patch.gz. =3D> No SHA256 checksum recorded for mailman/indexing-2.1.6-0.1.patch.gz. =3D> No suitable checksum found for mailman/indexing-2.1.6-0.1.patch.gz. =3D> No MD5 checksum recorded for mailman/htdig-2.1.6-0.1.patch.gz. =3D> No SHA256 checksum recorded for mailman/htdig-2.1.6-0.1.patch.gz. =3D> No suitable checksum found for mailman/htdig-2.1.6-0.1.patch.gz. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/mail/mailman. ** Command failed [exit code 1]: /usr/bin/script -qa /tmp/portupgrade72882.= 0=20 make ** Fix the problem and try again. ** Listing the failed packages (*:skipped / !:failed) ! mail/mailman (mailman-with-htdig-2.1.8_3) (unknown build erro= r) =2D--> Packages processed: 0 done, 0 ignored, 0 skipped and 1 failed Thinking I got a bad/incomplete patch set, I deleted them and ran portupgra= de=20 again:=20 =3D> indexing-2.1.6-0.1.patch.gz doesn't seem to exist=20 in /usr/ports/distfiles/mailman. =3D> Attempting to fetch from http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mm/patches/444879/. indexing-2.1.6-0.1.patch.gz 100% of 8881 B 26 kBps =3D> htdig-2.1.6-0.1.patch.gz doesn't seem to exist=20 in /usr/ports/distfiles/mailman. =3D> Attempting to fetch from http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mm/patches/444884/. htdig-2.1.6-0.1.patch.gz 100% of 59 kB 53 kBps =3D=3D=3D> Extracting for mailman-with-htdig-2.1.9.r1 Same missing checksum error/stop. /usr/ports/distfiles/mailman contains: # ls -1 htdig-2.1.6-0.1.patch.gz indexing-2.1.6-0.1.patch.gz mailman-2.1.7.tgz mailman-2.1.8.tgz mailman-2.1.9rc1.tgz Is this my system or is the port broken? The last system changes I made was to cvsup sources and re-compiled my kern= el. I also fetched ALL upgrades via portupgrade -Fa. # uname -a =46reeBSD tania.servebbs.org 6.1-RELEASE-p6 FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p6 #3: Thu = Sep=20 14 11:55:02 EDT 2006 =20 root@tania.servebbs.org:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/TANIA i386 TIA Bob --nextPart1795467.EIFpnrvkUA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBFCu+PAexE5bK/mHkRArapAJ4uN988/D7eT4k8WHK9M1OMXxQXXgCgi4RB t6rN8plrSgS3YwrUuD4rt8o= =MsNP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1795467.EIFpnrvkUA-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 18:27:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1BF016A407 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:27:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F26943D49 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:27:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so3192535wxd for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:27:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.67.10 with SMTP id p10mr15133216wxa; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:27:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net ( [67.189.184.224]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id i11sm106347wxd.2006.09.15.11.27.51; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D738BC333 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:27:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94BF0C31E for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:27:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by scorpio.seibercom.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k8FIRlq0001714 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:27:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) From: Gerard Seibert Organization: Seibercom.net To: FreeBSD Question Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:27:37 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <20060914222340.41828.qmail@web60119.mail.yahoo.com> <200609151256.18147.gerard@seibercom.net> <450AE52E.8090109@web.de> In-Reply-To: <450AE52E.8090109@web.de> X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(=?utf-8?q?gxJxxc=0A=09RnSNPNr*/=5E=7EStawWU9KDJ-CT0k=24f=23?=@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1632591.jXiR8zqyWy"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200609151427.47002.gerard@seibercom.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: gerard@seibercom.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:27:53 -0000 --nextPart1632591.jXiR8zqyWy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Friday 15 September 2006 13:38, Jona Joachim wrote: > The MPlayer plugin loads the streams on the cbsnews.com front page just > fine. What browser are you using? I know that the plugin works fine with > Mozilla and Firefox but it doesn't work in Opera (unfortunately). Type > "about:plugins" in the location bar and check for the "Windows Media > Player Plugin" entry. If you can't find it in the list then the browser > can't find the plugin, reinstalling may help. There is nothing there about MPLayer. I have both Firefox and linux-firefox= =20 installed. MPlayer works fine when I use it directly. How can I get it added to the=20 plugins for Firefox? =2D-=20 Gerard Whatever became of eternal truth? --nextPart1632591.jXiR8zqyWy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBFCvCis3R1WQUU6lgRAqrAAKCN8npNbnaNZJboT6v/whLwMaul6wCfR/mN 2fERgRpVldzBJDJ8v9yFau4= =V9n9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1632591.jXiR8zqyWy-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 18:44:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F16E916A415 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:44:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.235]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1E143D6E for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:44:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so3196842wxd for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:44:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.30.5 with SMTP id d5mr15136919wxd; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:44:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net ( [67.189.184.224]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id i13sm14471566wxd.2006.09.15.11.44.33; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:44:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92DCC333 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E6CFC2CB for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by scorpio.seibercom.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k8FIiS1U002361 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:44:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) From: Gerard Seibert Organization: Seibercom.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:44:26 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <450ADFC4.7060905@siloamsprings.com> In-Reply-To: <450ADFC4.7060905@siloamsprings.com> X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(=?utf-8?q?gxJxxc=0A=09RnSNPNr*/=5E=7EStawWU9KDJ-CT0k=24f=23?=@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1720220.Jy4ZRu0DGA"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200609151444.28177.gerard@seibercom.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: Re: flash plugin and firefox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: gerard@seibercom.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:44:39 -0000 --nextPart1720220.Jy4ZRu0DGA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Friday 15 September 2006 13:15, Christopher M. Hobbs wrote: > I put together a really quick translation at work a while back for some > co-workers. > > http://altbit.org/?p=3D111 > > Isn't the linux flash plugin 7 (used in this article) broken anyhow? > See: =A0http://www.freshports.org/www/linux-flashplugin7/ > > I've been trying to install it on a new machine with little luck. =A0I > normally don't have any problems, so it's probably just an oversight on > my part. I believe so. I tried building it yesterday without success. =2D-=20 Gerard Keep patting your enemy on the back until a small bullet hole appears between your fingers. Joe Bonanno --nextPart1720220.Jy4ZRu0DGA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBFCvSMs3R1WQUU6lgRApQYAKCwdgH7pxc6h9n88X2TovXJsso22QCgpwci Azz6lGJ14NKacRFg5wgXLa4= =bDO4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1720220.Jy4ZRu0DGA-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 18:45:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE7C416A40F for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:45:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.178]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 559CA43D66 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:45:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin01-en2 [10.13.10.146]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout08/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k8FIjvdY023248; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [17.214.13.96] (a17-214-13-96.apple.com [17.214.13.96]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin01/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k8FIjq8x016419; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:45:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20060915172932.GA844@home> References: <20060914222340.41828.qmail@web60119.mail.yahoo.com> <407F2CFB-1DED-4466-86E2-ACD171AD07CC@mac.com> <20060915143401.GA80615@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20060915172932.GA844@home> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6A88DCBD-ACA7-4530-B3A6-1E543216875C@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chuck Swiger Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:45:51 -0700 To: George Allan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:45:59 -0000 On Sep 15, 2006, at 10:29 AM, George Allan wrote: >>> I can't think of a single site that I use that needs Flash; I don't >>> install it even on a Windows or MacOS X box. >> >> I don't normally use it either, but there are sites that do videos >> programs >> that are all in flash and others that use it for graphic >> demonstrations. >> So, it is a feature that is desired by many. It pains me to have >> to reboot to Microsloth to see something on those sites. > > You can visit www.linuxcbt.com (cue the Linux jokes) for an > illustrative > example. All the videos are in swf format, most likely generated > using > vnc2swf (available in ports, FWIW) or something similar. As a side > note, mplayer doesn't support the swf format either. That site seems to be selling instructional videos for $200 a pop. While I suppose some people would pay that much to watch something in Flash like how to configure sendmail, rather than read the docs that come with the sendmail source tarball (or buy the O'Reilly "Bat" book, or subscribe to comp.mail.sendmail and ask there), and they are welcome to make such a decision, it would not be the decision I would make myself. Responding to another point made in this thread: On Sep 15, 2006, at 9:47 AM, Robert Huff wrote: > I am running into an increasing number of web sites - including > those of mega-corporations - where the home page is 100% Flash, > leaving no way to get inside if you don't do .swf. The major problem with such an approach is that pure-Flash-based sites prevent critical aspects of browser functionality from working as designed-- things like bookmarks, the back button, and so forth. Once in a while, I send a polite message to indicating that a pure Flash site is a problem for those people who do not have Flash, and that if they decide to exclude potential customers (or partners, or investors, etc) as a result, well, doing so is their loss. -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 18:50:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 868BD16A47E for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:50:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EB8543D55 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:50:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com) Received: from frontend3.internal (frontend3.internal [10.202.2.152]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1508DA6939 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat2.internal ([10.202.2.161]) by frontend3.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:50:51 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: s9SCsFGmRs6ltc7736SIrCCzxDALHQKHrIVSqoctcqK8 1158346251 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F010E6E for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:50:48 +0100 From: RW To: FreeBSD Question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200609151427.47002.gerard@seibercom.net> References: <20060914222340.41828.qmail@web60119.mail.yahoo.com> <200609151256.18147.gerard@seibercom.net> <450AE52E.8090109@web.de> <200609151427.47002.gerard@seibercom.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.5 (Linux/x86) X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.5 (Freebsd/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:50:53 -0000 --On Friday, September 15, 2006 14:27:37 -0400 Gerard Seibert wrote: > On Friday 15 September 2006 13:38, Jona Joachim wrote: > >> The MPlayer plugin loads the streams on the cbsnews.com front page just >> fine. What browser are you using? I know that the plugin works fine with >> Mozilla and Firefox but it doesn't work in Opera (unfortunately). Type >> "about:plugins" in the location bar and check for the "Windows Media >> Player Plugin" entry. If you can't find it in the list then the browser >> can't find the plugin, reinstalling may help. > > There is nothing there about MPLayer. I have both Firefox and > linux-firefox installed. > > MPlayer works fine when I use it directly. How can I get it added to the > plugins for Firefox? > Use: www/mplayer-plugin www/linux-mplayer-plugin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 18:52:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0541116A412 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:52:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8770743D73 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:52:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7115B1A3C1F; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C3A4E5169C; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:52:28 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: Bob Message-ID: <20060915185228.GA75347@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20060915161149.13859.qmail@web58409.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <200609151423.11429.bob@tania.servebbs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200609151423.11429.bob@tania.servebbs.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Broken port? Broken port tree? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:52:30 -0000 --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 15, 2006 at 02:22:53PM -0400, Bob wrote: > Or am I doing something dumb? >=20 > portaudit reported: >=20 > Affected package: mailman-with-htdig-2.1.8_3 > Type of problem: mailman -- Multiple Vulnerabilities. > Reference:=20 > >=20 > Simple fix right? >=20 > # portupgrade mailman-with-htdig > ---> Upgrading 'mailman-with-htdig-2.1.8_3' to=20 > 'mailman-with-htdig-2.1.9.r1' (mail/mailman) > ---> Building '/usr/ports/mail/mailman' > =3D=3D=3D> Cleaning for python-2.4.3 > > =3D=3D=3D> Cleaning for mailman-with-htdig-2.1.9.r1 > =3D=3D=3D> Found saved configuration for mailman-2.1.8_3 > > =3D=3D=3D> Extracting for mailman-with-htdig-2.1.9.r1 > =3D> MD5 Checksum OK for mailman/mailman-2.1.9rc1.tgz. > =3D> SHA256 Checksum OK for mailman/mailman-2.1.9rc1.tgz. > =3D> No MD5 checksum recorded for mailman/indexing-2.1.6-0.1.patch.gz. > =3D> No SHA256 checksum recorded for mailman/indexing-2.1.6-0.1.patch.gz. > =3D> No suitable checksum found for mailman/indexing-2.1.6-0.1.patch.gz. > =3D> No MD5 checksum recorded for mailman/htdig-2.1.6-0.1.patch.gz. > =3D> No SHA256 checksum recorded for mailman/htdig-2.1.6-0.1.patch.gz. > =3D> No suitable checksum found for mailman/htdig-2.1.6-0.1.patch.gz. > *** Error code 1 > Stop in /usr/ports/mail/mailman. > ** Command failed [exit code 1]: /usr/bin/script -qa /tmp/portupgrade7288= 2.0=20 > make > ** Fix the problem and try again. > ** Listing the failed packages (*:skipped / !:failed) > ! mail/mailman (mailman-with-htdig-2.1.8_3) (unknown build er= ror) > ---> Packages processed: 0 done, 0 ignored, 0 skipped and 1 failed Talk to the maintainer, looks like the port is missing the checksums for the htdig option. Kris --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFCvZsWry0BWjoQKURAsV7AKCQXHQPcHEFNyIM6gmJtGIYulonIgCg1pCM lJNOJ/EfGjhaOTmXqP/RuFo= =eyFe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 18:53:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B2A416A417 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:53:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37CBB43D8E for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:53:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from gothic.blackend.org (gothic.blackend.org [192.168.1.203]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.13.4/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k8FIrYau066345; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:53:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: from gothic.blackend.org (localhost.blackend.org [127.0.0.1]) by gothic.blackend.org (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k8FIrXGE003302; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:53:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@gothic.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by gothic.blackend.org (8.13.6/8.13.3/Submit) id k8FIrXDM003301; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:53:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:53:33 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Jordi Carrillo Message-ID: <20060915185333.GA2965@gothic.blackend.org> References: <94ff3700609020746i5b0a8031t522a2f774fcc7985@mail.gmail.com> <1157195860.1148.6.camel@freebsd> <94ff3700609020921r39108f77qb614763a2f518250@mail.gmail.com> <44F9B799.9080806@web.de> <94ff3700609021010p7528e88aj150a485b8e912abb@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <94ff3700609021010p7528e88aj150a485b8e912abb@mail.gmail.com> X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: Jona Joachim , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: flash plugin and firefox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:53:50 -0000 On Sat, Sep 02, 2006 at 07:10:57PM +0200, Jordi Carrillo wrote: > Well, I suppose you are talking about the kernel sources, right? Because > saying the sources of the base system is very generic. I'll investigate, > thanks > > 2006/9/2, Jona Joachim : > > > >Jordi Carrillo wrote: > >> When it says: > >> cd /usr/src > >> patch -p0< /tmp/rtld_dlsym_hack.diff > >> > >> a question arises saying: > >> File to patch: > >> > >> Then what is supposed I have to patch? > >> and there's nothing in /usr/src as well. > >> Thanks > > > >You don't have the sources of the base system. > >You can fetch them using sysinstall or csup. > >The FreeBSD Handbook is your friend: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/ > > > >The babelfish translation of the page is not so bad: > > > >http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=pt_en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unixlike.com.br%2F%3Fp%3D%252081 > > Well, in the Handbook there's a section called: 6.2.4 Firefox, Mozilla and Macromedia Flash Plugin Marc From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 19:04:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29C0016A49E for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:04:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob.middaugh@comcast.net) Received: from alnrmhc11.comcast.net (alnrmhc11.comcast.net [206.18.177.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A6E43D6E for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:04:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob.middaugh@comcast.net) Received: from freebsd (c7147679.state.nj.us[199.20.118.121]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060915190402b11009r16re>; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:04:02 +0000 From: "Bob M." To: "Christopher M. Hobbs" In-Reply-To: <450ADFC4.7060905@siloamsprings.com> References: <450ADFC4.7060905@siloamsprings.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:05:43 -0400 Message-Id: <1158347143.25573.24.camel@freebsd> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: jordilin@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: flash plugin and firefox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bob.middaugh@comcast.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:04:05 -0000 On Fri, 2006-09-15 at 12:15 -0500, Christopher M. Hobbs wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I couldn't find the original message in my mail folders, but there was > discussion of an English translation of the unixlike.com.br > flash+firefox howto. > > I wrote a translation for it some time back, it can be found here: > http://altbit.org/?p=111 > > cmh > - -- Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 19:05:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE5D16A40F for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:05:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC86343D70 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:05:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.pc (host5.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.229]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-2) with ESMTP id k8FJ5Z6a024293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:05:37 +0300 Received: from gothmog.pc (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.pc (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k8FJ5sQg045871; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:05:56 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.pc (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id k8FJ5j34045870; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:05:45 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:05:45 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Michael Grant Message-ID: <20060915190545.GC43346@gothmog.pc> References: <62b856460609141011s72e72eah70996448f74e7cd0@mail.gmail.com> <20060915101824.GB30999@gothmog.pc> <62b856460609150456j590be070v420472f319f06947@mail.gmail.com> <20060915120835.GB33397@gothmog.pc> <62b856460609150858v4e8a2213m3096ce1a49fc80c8@mail.gmail.com> <20060915160811.GB38014@gothmog.pc> <62b856460609151105u7443d883pce1b1e10ab849eb8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <62b856460609151105u7443d883pce1b1e10ab849eb8@mail.gmail.com> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.767, required 5, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.17, BAYES_00 -2.60, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY 0.00) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:05:57 -0000 On 2006-09-15 20:05, Michael Grant wrote: > On 9/15/06, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > >The CVS server seems to be using some sort of CVS access control, i.e. > >by a CVSROOT/readers or CVSROOT/writers file or something similar. > > I didn't set anything like that up. I simply added this line to > /etc/inetd.conf: > > cvspserver stream tcp nowait root /usr/bin/cvs cvs > --allow-root=/home/ng/tools/cvsroot --allow-root=/home/somewhere/else > pserver > > >I am not sure of all the gory details about your particular setup, but > >the message seems to imply that `mgrant' is blocked by the access > >controls of the server itself. > > It sure seems that way. Or it seems that somehow it's proposing the > wrong password. Hmm, now, here's something funny, the password in > CVSROOT/Root is all lower case and my password is mixed case. Try removing the relevant line from your ``~/.cvspass'', if there is one. I think what's happening is that a cached copy of the password is used from that file, and that copy is out of date. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 19:11:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2CC216A67B for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:11:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from WilsonWilliamGJr@aol.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3513243D46 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:11:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from WilsonWilliamGJr@aol.com) Received: from WilsonWilliamGJr@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id n.314.11bc7900 (62952) for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:11:23 -0400 (EDT) From: WilsonWilliamGJr@aol.com Message-ID: <314.11bc7900.323c54da@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:11:22 EDT To: questions@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5331 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Processors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:11:32 -0000 To whom it may concern I have a computer with a dual-core processor. Will FreeBSD operate on this machine? Please answer this at my e-mail address _WilsonWilliamGJr@aol.com_ (mailto:WilsonWilliamGJr@aol.com) . (short and sweet will suffice) Thank you Bill Wilson From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 19:24:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5226B16A4DA for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:24:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greenwood.andy@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.239]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD1943D46 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:24:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from greenwood.andy@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 71so1130740wri for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:24:29 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nhNuWKwbd/v6vyTa445sy3XkGDbAtVhBZAfpgMf+LvsuitpjLT5tW9G5KHKFMQpKYhAcv7Paene83dSOQYsvN6ALIs8EtzyQh4CQoQKFMzghMPZqLQ/i79wNJVs1CzKkkn5FKrZC047c8He6yKBNPszlFUILNDAzVAfH8RNdpp4= Received: by 10.90.78.9 with SMTP id a9mr4043569agb; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.80.18 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3ee9ca710609151224v37310e0dm977e944bae73c0e6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:24:28 -0400 From: "Andy Greenwood" To: "WilsonWilliamGJr@aol.com" In-Reply-To: <314.11bc7900.323c54da@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <314.11bc7900.323c54da@aol.com> Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Processors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:24:30 -0000 well, without more information. I can definitively say "maybe" FreeBSD works just fine on many multi-cpu machines. On 9/15/06, WilsonWilliamGJr@aol.com wrote: > To whom it may concern > > I have a computer with a dual-core processor. Will FreeBSD operate on > this machine? > Please answer this at my e-mail address _WilsonWilliamGJr@aol.com_ > (mailto:WilsonWilliamGJr@aol.com) . (short and sweet > will suffice) > > Thank you > > Bill Wilson > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- I'm nerdy in the extreme and whiter than sour cream From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 19:51:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9567816A5F6 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:51:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from don.munyak@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A99B43D7D for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:51:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from don.munyak@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 71so1134336wri for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:50:59 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=SBydFeuRwPxJJeqqtuHKYHuouiW1wcadPpcNx2ej9/S/YfEbxMGRNmCrVl7+JbiZDgBejEsVsSo6Pxyi2VmyHqgey+jqoJgfYLPGdgFA2mHNfbbzFGOcWngSZf6nfJ3TGUc5uLXJSur0+tr9L32FobvG/gBTbt6p65mpUlWIaJ0= Received: by 10.90.28.12 with SMTP id b12mr4052964agb; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.29.13 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6207f7d90609151250y101a494bp4838e838cb41b35a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:50:59 -0400 From: "Don Munyak" To: "FreeBSD Questions" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: rebuild any statically linked ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:51:05 -0000 I am following the instructions for keeping my freebsd system upto date from http://www.taosecurity.com/keeping_...up-to-date.html After running, # freebsd-update fetch # /usr/local/sbin/freebsd-update install A message states" Don't forget to rebuild any statically linked ports to use the updated libraries after you install them." what does this mean and how do I complish rebuilding statically linked ports? Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 19:56:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12BD216A407 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:56:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9608643D76 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:56:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com) Received: from frontend3.internal (frontend3.internal [10.202.2.152]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F646DA702D; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat2.internal ([10.202.2.161]) by frontend3.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:56:21 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: TQPvr8JCL1mriY9qktcWPxNJZ4PHsAwAlLsPJNEHUYzH 1158350180 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91FB111C1; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:56:18 +0100 From: RW To: gerard@seibercom.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <2B65F05DD60EE0F9F0CD2CF3@gumby.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <200609151444.28177.gerard@seibercom.net> References: <450ADFC4.7060905@siloamsprings.com> <200609151444.28177.gerard@seibercom.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.5 (Linux/x86) X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.5 (Freebsd/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: flash plugin and firefox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:56:24 -0000 --On Friday, September 15, 2006 14:44:26 -0400 Gerard Seibert=20 wrote: > On Friday 15 September 2006 13:15, Christopher M. Hobbs wrote: > >> I put together a really quick translation at work a while back for some >> co-workers. >> >> http://altbit.org/?p=3D111 >> >> Isn't the linux flash plugin 7 (used in this article) broken anyhow? >> See: =C2=A0http://www.freshports.org/www/linux-flashplugin7/ >> >> I've been trying to install it on a new machine with little luck. = =C2=A0I >> normally don't have any problems, so it's probably just an oversight on >> my part. > > I believe so. I tried building it yesterday without success. > > Just in case, you didn't read my reply to the original post. There is no version of the adobe flash plug-in for Linux that doesn't contain critical vulnerabilities. Running a more secure version of Flash depends on Adobe releasing Flash 9 for Linux. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 19:59:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCAD216A412 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:59:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.178]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75BEB43D67 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:59:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin03-en2 [10.13.10.148]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout08/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k8FJx9GD020352; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:59:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [17.214.13.96] (a17-214-13-96.apple.com [17.214.13.96]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin03/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k8FJx4rR000103; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:59:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6207f7d90609151250y101a494bp4838e838cb41b35a@mail.gmail.com> References: <6207f7d90609151250y101a494bp4838e838cb41b35a@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6E94C8D2-D5BF-4616-AEE8-A859F7735427@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chuck Swiger Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:59:03 -0700 To: Don Munyak X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: rebuild any statically linked ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:59:10 -0000 On Sep 15, 2006, at 12:50 PM, Don Munyak wrote: > A message states" Don't forget to rebuild any statically linked ports > to use the updated libraries after you install them." > > what does this mean and how do I [ac]complish rebuilding statically > linked ports? Most software is dynamicly linked, and will therefore load the updated versions of the system libraries without needing any work on your part. Statically linked programs are rather uncommon nowadays, but can be identified via the "file" command: % file /sbin/init /sbin/init: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (FreeBSD), for FreeBSD 5.4-CURRENT (rev 5), statically linked, stripped % file /bin/sh /bin/sh: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (FreeBSD), for FreeBSD 5.4-CURRENT (rev 5), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped If any of the ports you have installed is statically linked, you can rebuild it via a "portupgrade -af _portname_" or a "make deinstall && make reinstall" in that ports' directory. -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 20:03:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52BEC16A416 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:03:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.26.172.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5219C43D72 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:02:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id k8FK2LiT083130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:02:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id k8FK2L1j083129; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:02:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA05219; Fri, 15 Sep 06 12:58:34 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Sep 06 12:58:34 PDT From: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) Message-Id: <10609151958.AA05219@pluto.rain.com> To: freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org References: <10609140727.AA28689@pluto.rain.com> <20060914160534.GA53648@xor.obsecurity.org> <10609142107.AA01301@pluto.rain.com> <44u03auon5.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <10609150259.AA02100@pluto.rain.com> <441wqd2ty7.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> In-Reply-To: <441wqd2ty7.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: [SOLUTION] Re: mount_ext2fs returning ENODEV on 6.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:03:18 -0000 > >> The standard kernel doesn't have ext2fs support now; I doubt the 6.1 > >> release was different. Try loading it as a module; "kldload ext2fs". > > > > It seems not to be that easy :( > > > > # kldload ext2fs > > kldload: can't load ext2fs: No such file or directory > > > > Where is ext2fs.ko supposed to have come from? A search for ext2fs > > in the Handbook found nothing applicable, and I have already built > > and installed /usr/ports/sysutils/e2fsprogs. > > I checked the 6.1 install disks, and saw ext2fs.ko in boot/kernel, > just like I'd expect. I've rebuilt with newer sources several > times since then, but I'm surprised if it isn't there on your disk. According to find, the only *.ko anywhere in the system was gtkrc.ko, in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/linux-gtk/work/etc/gtk and /usr/X11R6/share/themes/Default/gtk. I suspect this may be additional fallout from my earlier problem, wherein sysinstall had failed to install the kernel: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2006-August/129613.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2006-August/129659.html Evidently it also failed to install the ext2fs module. One way to fix it: # cd /usr/src/sys/modules/ext2fs # make # cp ext2fs.ko /boot/modules From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 20:50:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C92D16A415 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:50:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ograbme@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.225]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83EFD43D53 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:50:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ograbme@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so3229400wxd for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:50:08 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:date:from:x-mailer:reply-to:x-priority:message-id:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=QERI3KgsnuBThjKeAXtQho7pHeScK5psTeD5bLc/5GKzx+/sLbkCA28e05LDwJkPOw41FPR1B//z6qFad7tAkis1MZ1ZoJ04S0nn5/kd8oFxDDWCkgxKSR64Hfy4roVo4MdUf+r09Um0ZfJcxwYsOpaxnf77lBZubVrHz3vi7dM= Received: by 10.70.67.10 with SMTP id p10mr15356597wxa; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server ( [68.219.98.52]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 25sm4333227wra.2006.09.15.13.50.07; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:53:25 -0400 From: ograbme X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.11.02) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <224326510.20060915165325@gmail.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: What do I need in FreeBSD 6.1 OS to be able to read a USB Dane/Electric 256 MB thumb drive? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ograbme List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:50:10 -0000 Howdy. I've been going round and round here trying to simply read a USB thumb drive. I've searched many web sites, read the various messages on this list, the Handbook and other sources, but nothing is very clear to me at the moment. I think I have bits and pieces, but haven't been able to put together the puzzle yet, soooooo ... So here is a clip of my dmesg text ... Note: I haven't included the whole dmesg output ... if need be, please advise. Copyright (c) 1992-2006 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE #0: Sun May 7 04:32:43 UTC 2006 root@opus.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor (501.14-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x58c Stepping = 12 Features=0x8021bf AMD Features=0x80000800 real memory = 125763584 (119 MB) avail memory = 113504256 (108 MB) kbd1 at kbdmux0 K6-family MTRR support enabled (2 registers) ACPI disabled by blacklist. Contact your BIOS vendor. cpu0 on motherboard pcib0: pcibus 0 on motherboard pir0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 $PIR: No matching entry for 0.1.INTA agp0: mem 0xe8000000-0xebffffff at device 0.0 on pci0 atapci0: port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0xffa0-0xffaf at device 0.1 on pci0 ata0: on atapci0 ata1: on atapci0 isab0: at device 1.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 pci0: at device 1.1 (no driver attached) ************************** USB related stuff ************************** ohci0: mem 0xefffe000-0xefffefff irq 9 at device 1.2 on pci0 ohci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb0: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support usb0: on ohci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: SiS OHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ************************** pcib1: at device 2.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 pci1: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) dc0: port 0xda00-0xda7f mem 0xefffff80-0xefffffff irq 10 at device 11.0 on pci0 miibus0: on dc0 amphy0: on miibus0 amphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto dc0: Ethernet address: 00:30:21:14:b4:4d pci0: at device 12.0 (no driver attached) I see no references to umass and/or da0 which I have come across in my readings. In the /dev file there are two devices, usb and usb0, so I tried mounting each one of these devices separately, but had no luck. Obviously I'm missing something here, so any reasonably detailed pointers would be appreciated. At the moment I'm not concerned with USB 2.0. LOL! Thanks in advance. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 21:44:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD70A16A407 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:44:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j65nko@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23CC143D4C for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:44:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from j65nko@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so224005uge for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:44:41 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LEmQzBgUnAN52545kglNX2y46Kvwhn3iVccKHM/dIgEidfDQah3PendqLRaIRdsQHFd16SNnku8qnwhhR/mItTm7QxFhOT92mp7+qeAIZzu8YhKET4HBuk9ElylnwkC9sxio4lCYn0QiZnqcsbyVWoUQDCmqn4q1sTvUUOm6rL4= Received: by 10.67.100.17 with SMTP id c17mr5649514ugm; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:44:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.86.14 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:44:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19861fba0609151444j48fbfa0fpd30345758f64455a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 23:44:40 +0200 From: J65nko To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <45094622.7010803@uni-mainz.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <45094622.7010803@uni-mainz.de> Subject: Re: OT: awk/sed: how to use a variable in an address range? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:44:42 -0000 On 9/14/06, O. Hartmann wrote: [snip] > To keep a small shell script portable I use awk for separating an ASCII > file from a home brewn scientific model software. The datasets of the > output is enclosed by > > /begin_data_set_##/ > . > . > . > /end_data_set_##/ > > ## is a two-digit counter, but not necessesaryly equidistant. > > I would like to separate the file contaning all datasets via awk or sed > into appropriate files - this is my intention, but I failed. > > the simplest way - in theory and in my limitit ability of using sed or > awk - is to print all lines between the (sed/awk) addresses > > /begin_data_set_##/ > ... > /end_data_set_##/ > > but this does not work due to i cannot use variables in the address > range specifiers neither in awk nor in sed like this: > > awk -v nc=$NUMBER '/\/begin_data_set_nc\//,/\/end_data_set_nc\// { > do-something-in-awk}' $input_file > $output_file_$NUMBER > > nc in this example is set to the counter of the desired dataset. > > I would like to use SED or AWK only due to portability reasons. [snip] You have to prefix the variable with "$" and use double quotes instead of single quotes. The shell will expand a variable within double quotes, but one within single quotes $ cat data /start_1/ This is dataset 1 /end_1/ /start_2/ This is dataset 2 /end_2/ /start_3/ This is dataset 3 /end_3/ $ cat sed_extract NR=$1 sed -ne "/\/start_$NR\//,/\/end_$NR\//p" data $ sh -vx sed_extract 3 NR=$1 + NR=3 sed -ne "/\/start_$NR\//,/\/end_$NR\//p" data + sed -ne /\/start_3\//,/\/end_3\//p data /start_3/ This is dataset 3 /end_3/ $ sh -vx sed_extract 2 NR=$1 + NR=2 sed -ne "/\/start_$NR\//,/\/end_$NR\//p" data + sed -ne /\/start_2\//,/\/end_2\//p data /start_2/ This is dataset 2 /end_2/ You were close ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 21:54:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC9016A40F for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:54:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from smtp1.utdallas.edu (smtp1.utdallas.edu [129.110.10.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2C0E43D45 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:54:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from utd59514.utdallas.edu (utd59514.utdallas.edu [129.110.3.28]) by smtp1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC58B3897B7 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:53:49 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:50:06 -0500 From: Paul Schmehl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <224326510.20060915165325@gmail.com> References: <224326510.20060915165325@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.5 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; boundary="==========9833F3F19FF720B132E6==========" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: What do I need in FreeBSD 6.1 OS to be able to read a USB Dane/Electric 256 MB thumb drive? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:54:29 -0000 --==========9833F3F19FF720B132E6========== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline --On Friday, September 15, 2006 16:53:25 -0400 ograbme =20 wrote: > > I see no references to umass and/or da0 which I have come across in my > readings. In the /dev file there are two devices, usb and usb0, so I > tried mounting each one of these devices separately, but had no luck. > Obviously I'm missing something here, so any reasonably detailed > pointers would be appreciated. > Are you saying that this is the case when the USB device is plugged in?=20 Because normally you should see a /dev/da0 if you have a thumb drive=20 plugged in to a USB port. I mount them like this: mount_msdosfs /dev/da0s1 /mnt/usb/ Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ --==========9833F3F19FF720B132E6==========-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 22:26:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2571716A403 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:26:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mldodson@houston.rr.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com [24.93.47.41]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A5B43D45 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:26:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mldodson@houston.rr.com) Received: from localhost.houston.rr.com (cpe-24-167-77-130.houston.res.rr.com [24.167.77.130]) by ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8FMQbPv018568 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:26:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by localhost.houston.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k8FMQbJQ020483 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:26:37 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mldodson@houston.rr.com) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.houston.rr.com: bdodson set sender to mldodson@houston.rr.com using -f From: "M. L. Dodson" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:26:36 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609151726.36974.mldodson@houston.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Subject: devfs and hot unplugging X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mldodson@houston.rr.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:26:39 -0000 I was transferring a bunch of data files from compute nodes to a server using dump-restore. I put the disks with the data files into an external firewire device, plugged it in, and did the transfers. This is on 6.1-RELEASE-p6. When I finished the transfers, I just pulled the cable (the firewire disk partitions were not mounted). When I plugged in the next drive, devfs created devices with names like /dev/da0s1aa, /dev/da0s1ab, /dev/da0s1ac, etc., in addition to the regular /dev/da0s1a, etc (which were left over from the first disk, they were not destroyed when I pulled the cable). When I tried to fsck the firewire disk partitions, /dev/da0s1a and /dev/da0s1g worked fine (as did the dump/restore from /dev/da0s1g). The other partitions, /dev/da0s1d, e, and f, failed, saying the superblock could not be found. All the data disks were of the same kind and had identical partitioning schemes. My question: Should I be doing something to signal devfs I'm going to unplug a device so it won't get confused when I plug in another similar, but not the same, device? What's going on here? Bud Dodson -- M. L. Dodson Email: mldodson-at-houston-dot-rr-dot-com Phone: eight_three_two-56_three-386_one From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 22:27:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08BEF16A416 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:27:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from JWeimer@PHXSystems.net) Received: from smtpout07-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpout07-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D5F543D45 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:27:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from JWeimer@PHXSystems.net) Received: (qmail 6733 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2006 22:27:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (71.216.166.73) by smtpout07-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.233) with ESMTP; 15 Sep 2006 22:27:03 -0000 From: "Jack Weimer" To: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:27:05 -0700 Message-ID: <003501c6d916$137f3710$4000a8c0@JWeimerLXPP> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcbZFhLM73z89UD6RcWz6YuE5OWnaQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: CCID on v4.11 ?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:27:22 -0000 Hello, I was asked to install CCID USB smart card readers on FreeBSD 4.11 where some legacy software is running. All of the current ports have been downloaded. The ports for pcsc-lite and libccid work great on v6.1 and I have successfully tested various smart card readers. pcsc-lite and libccid both have problems during make on v4.11. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Jack From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 22:38:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D0F716A51A for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:38:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jaj13@web.de) Received: from fmmailgate02.web.de (fmmailgate02.web.de [217.72.192.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1946E43D55 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:38:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jaj13@web.de) Received: from smtp06.web.de (fmsmtp06.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.172]) by fmmailgate02.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C7081F0E8E1; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:38:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [83.99.27.193] (helo=[10.0.0.11]) by smtp06.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.107 #114) id 1GOMKF-0008CB-00; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:38:23 +0200 Message-ID: <450B2B5F.1040504@web.de> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:38:23 +0200 From: Jona Joachim User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060915) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ograbme References: <224326510.20060915165325@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <224326510.20060915165325@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: jaj13@web.de X-Sender: jaj13@web.de Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What do I need in FreeBSD 6.1 OS to be able to read a USB Dane/Electric 256 MB thumb drive? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:38:25 -0000 ograbme wrote: > Howdy. > > I've been going round and round here trying to simply read a USB thumb > drive. I've searched many web sites, read the various messages on > this list, the Handbook and other sources, but nothing is very clear > to me at the moment. I think I have bits and pieces, but haven't been > able to put together the puzzle yet, soooooo ... > > So here is a clip of my dmesg text ... Note: I haven't included the > whole dmesg output ... if need be, please advise. > I see no references to umass and/or da0 which I have come across in my > readings. In the /dev file there are two devices, usb and usb0, so I > tried mounting each one of these devices separately, but had no luck. > Obviously I'm missing something here, so any reasonably detailed > pointers would be appreciated. > > At the moment I'm not concerned with USB 2.0. LOL! > > Thanks in advance. Do you have a custom built kernel? If so, did you include the umass and da drivers? What does 'kldstat -v | grep umass' say? --jona From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 23:10:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54DAE16A412 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 23:10:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feelingwei@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D456743D4C for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 23:10:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from feelingwei@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n29so2495538nfc for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:10:13 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=L5gT9ncjAS5EwH8OnGKeaeYw4YUNRtmfJQmcNEKB5g4IuK2lAp4oXRdvusIJp/4pMgeIYbgG4NFAFbFTfbUBv2WARIY/GpbxJ7VIyfp8wdWjn/7rVJPlDUquYslO+LAGNtdJSvQDzmp1p/L1eTD7vsOy7Ss3lQSwXEtqUx/dt2w= Received: by 10.49.55.13 with SMTP id h13mr13966724nfk; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.12.2 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:10:13 +1000 From: "Wei Hu" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: The fan is always on, even when the desktop is rather cool X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 23:10:26 -0000 I have 3 systems in my desktop: 1) When FreeBSD runs, my desktop fans are always running, and this make annoy noisy. 2) However when Debian runs, the fan eventually stops unless I am performing a load intensive task. 3) In Windows, the fan is almost always off. I tried to use acpi and apm, but they are for laptop.(?) In Freebsd, how can I control the cooling fans or how can the system turns the fans off when the load is not heavy. Any help would be greatly appreciated. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 02:31:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 480C816A407 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:31:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: from sigma.octantis.com.au (ns2.octantis.com.au [207.44.189.124]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9208445C0 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:31:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: (qmail 19982 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2006 12:31:06 +1000 Received: from 203-206-243-64.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO localhost) (203.206.243.64) by sigma.octantis.com.au with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 16 Sep 2006 12:31:06 +1000 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:30:59 +1000 From: Norberto Meijome To: RW Message-ID: <20060916123059.6d047f8a@localhost> In-Reply-To: <257D290F82FC6FAB8865E52F@gumby.localdomain> References: <20060914215728.8113.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <257D290F82FC6FAB8865E52F@gumby.localdomain> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.4.0 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Users Questions Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:31:12 -0000 On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:22:38 +0100 RW wrote: > I going to be booting into Windows if I really need flash. Why not try Wine? I haven't checked, but maybe firefox + flash does work under wine... i also keep a 4 GB Qemu windows xp setup which gets my out of trouble the few times when it's window-or-nothing.. most of the time i just give up altogether on the site. _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome Sysadmins can't be sued for malpractice, but surgeons don't have to deal with patients who install new versions of their own innards. I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 02:36:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F90816A403 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:36:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: from sigma.octantis.com.au (ns2.octantis.com.au [207.44.189.124]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C50FF445CB for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:36:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: (qmail 20197 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2006 12:36:42 +1000 Received: from 203-206-243-64.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO localhost) (203.206.243.64) by sigma.octantis.com.au with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 16 Sep 2006 12:36:42 +1000 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:36:38 +1000 From: Norberto Meijome To: Matt Message-ID: <20060916123638.71d45a93@localhost> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.4.0 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a gaming server platform X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:36:48 -0000 On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:07:52 -0500 Matt wrote: > I did some > searching for settings that could increase max packet rates and such, > but to no avail. Hi Matt, I would look for 'network tuning freebsd' - things like the max receive /send buffer sizes are obvious things . man 7 tuning may help too... it all really depends what kind of resources are most needed by your services, and what you see is bein strained the most (maybe you just need bigger/faster hardware). B _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome "Nature doesn't care how smart you are. You can still be wrong." Richard Feynman I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 02:42:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4974C16A4AB for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:42:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trunasuci@mail.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57D6043DFD for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:02:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trunasuci@mail.com) Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id B41F41800202 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:07:44 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.49) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 16 Sep 2006 02:07:44 -0000 Received: by ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8FAC61BF287; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:07:43 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Ahmad Arafat Abdullah" To: Matt , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:07:43 -0800 Received: from [60.49.202.201] by ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for trunasuci@mail.com; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:07:43 -0800 X-Originating-Ip: 60.49.202.201 X-Originating-Server: ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060916020743.8FAC61BF287@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a gaming server platform X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:42:18 -0000 Yes it is.. as far as i know, u can play around with sysctl.conf for lots of tweaks.. This is my close friends game server: http://kapra.mine.nu http://kpro.mine.nu running for Ragnarok Online game using Freya engine on FreeBSD 4.11-RELEASE= -p12 u can contact the admin named maui for more info, tq.. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Matt > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: FreeBSD as a gaming server platform > Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:07:52 -0500 >=20 >=20 > Are there any kernel tunables that you would recommend setting to > increase performance on FreeBSD 6.x for running gaming servers (e.g. > Quake 4, CS:S, etc)? It appears that the default settings are not > performing nearly as well on FreeBSD as they are on Linux on similar > hardware, and it seems to be something network related. I did some > searching for settings that could increase max packet rates and such, > but to no avail. >=20 > Thank you, > Matt > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > --=20 ___________________________________________________ Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 02:42:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C3416A557 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:42:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from opensrc.root@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E14B644285 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:11:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from opensrc.root@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so4002496pye for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:11:54 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=kjpoApHgPf2x7XfQ5yexN/TYdesyZpK5eh9iQDCK0qVGKXUsecA4/NHOTWPkOH6cslZL8jwVbJNtS6W5tUloMIrrdV+8iOjtAT56WcdDFdPV426svzXhYwg59MXd0cV6oNSIRqYr75Eye8zAJsTAr2Ecs44aLDxQEsc50Ljxfwg= Received: by 10.65.122.20 with SMTP id z20mr9910470qbm; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.84.3 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:11:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:11:53 -0400 From: "David Wassman" To: "Lowell Gilbert" In-Reply-To: <441wqqlc97.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <441wqqlc97.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD-Questions Mailing List Subject: Re: Device Drivers and Kernel Modules X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:42:30 -0000 Lowell, Thanks for the reply. Sorry about the belated gratitude. I haven't checked the account in a while and simply forgot I posted the question. I think I got confused in my memory. Now what I think I read was about filesystem kernel modules. From my understanding these could be automatically loaded through the mount command. At least, thats the author's claim in FreeBSD Unleashed. Just to be more specific this inquiry is NOT for a server. It is my experimental desktop at home. Servers I would agree have no need to be convenient in swapping hardware. But I do switch out hardware on the system in question occasionally and was really just curious if there is a drawback between the drivers in the kernel opposed to loaded kernel modules. Thanks again David Wassman On 9/5/06, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > > "David Wassman" writes: > > > I am trying to figure out which would be best, to load all the device > > drivers through compiling them into the kernel or to load them at boot > > through loader.conf. > > > > I would think that loader.conf would be more convenient as changing > hardware > > wuld not require a rebuild of the kernel. Is there a draw back to > loading > > devices this way other than a longer boot up time (which should not be > an > > issue as the system is 24-7)? > > There is little difference for your purposes. > > > I have also heard that loading modules through the loader.conf saves on > RAM > > performance as the module in question is not loaded into memory until it > is > > used as opposed to being loaded with the kernel. If this makes no sense, > i > > appologize. I remember reading it somewhere on a mailing list several > years > > ago and can't find the reference anymore. From memory it stated modules > such > > as cd9660 could be loaded through entering CD9660_load="YES" in > > loader.confand that it would not be used in memory until a cd was > > mounted. I am > > assuming this is true (if it is) for other modules as well. > > It isn't true at all. Loading a module really does load it into memory. > > -- > Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area > http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 03:58:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D39FA16A5E1 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 03:58:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from don.munyak@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.237]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F62C43D46 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 03:58:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from don.munyak@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so3315599wxd for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:58:16 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MDoF7WelabHqmHxLAtrV6YxWnLYoVzgyd32RQiyJlUawuB8AD+mXblS1LPMFkA33/CHAXI4iRYbwUMyAkUzTUAXs6T9SE8EavXomYTk2Tw7vDybqQ94HrSo4AmJvsaQC9YOMb3aPcRll8keHvNQOLSbJvc/ICPFeSWEQWzPFuoE= Received: by 10.90.79.6 with SMTP id c6mr4104425agb; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.29.13 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6207f7d90609152058g14042fc0nea0413cf9177dddc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 23:58:16 -0400 From: "Don Munyak" To: "Chuck Swiger" In-Reply-To: <6E94C8D2-D5BF-4616-AEE8-A859F7735427@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6207f7d90609151250y101a494bp4838e838cb41b35a@mail.gmail.com> <6E94C8D2-D5BF-4616-AEE8-A859F7735427@mac.com> Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: rebuild any statically linked ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 03:58:21 -0000 Thanks for the info. Don From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 04:05:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7001E16A403 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 04:05:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daeg@houston.rr.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.texas.rr.com [24.93.47.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 199DA43D45 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 04:05:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from daeg@houston.rr.com) Received: from cpe-24-167-74-69.houston.res.rr.com (cpe-24-167-74-69.houston.res.rr.com [24.167.74.69]) by ms-smtp-04.texas.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8G45Sgo014400 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 23:05:29 -0500 (CDT) From: David J Brooks Organization: KC5WNK To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 23:05:36 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: In-Reply-To: X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(=?utf-8?q?gxJxxc=0A=09R=09nSNPNr*/=5E=7EStawWU9KDJ-CT0k=24f=23?=@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609152305.37375.daeg@houston.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Subject: Re: The fan is always on, even when the desktop is rather cool X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 04:05:30 -0000 On Friday 15 September 2006 18:10, Wei Hu wrote: > I have 3 systems in my desktop: > 1) When FreeBSD runs, my desktop fans are always running, and this > make annoy noisy. > 2) However when Debian runs, the fan eventually stops unless I am > performing a load intensive task. > 3) In Windows, the fan is almost always off. > I tried to use acpi and apm, but they are for laptop.(?) > In Freebsd, how can I control the cooling fans or how can the system > turns the fans off when the load is not heavy. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. It sounds like a broken ACPI code to me. Check the handbook chapter on debugging ACPI: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/acpi-debug.html David -- Sure the Almighty created the world in only six days, but He didn't have an established user-base. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 04:34:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A8A16A412 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 04:34:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@sage.thought.org) Received: from sage.thought.org (dsl231-043-140.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.43.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C02643D46 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 04:34:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kline@sage.thought.org) Received: from sage.thought.org (kline@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sage.thought.org (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k8G4Y92a016740 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:34:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@sage.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by sage.thought.org (8.13.6/8.13.1/Submit) id k8G4Y93Z016739 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:34:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:34:08 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20060916043408.GA16721@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: Observing twenty years of service to the Unix community User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: Subject: 6.1 up, but I messed up on networking..... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 04:34:11 -0000 Guys, I can't ssh out, no nothing network works.... Meaning that I can't scp in my just save /etc. I was obviously too careless with meargemaster. The /var/log files don't suggest anything Also X/xorg is bombing. How do I use X -whatever to generate an xorg.conf file? thanks, if anybody is still around... gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public service Unix From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 04:51:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC2E216A47C for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 04:51:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from henry.lenzi@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86BD943D53 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 04:51:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from henry.lenzi@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n29so2529355nfc for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:51:07 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OJaCbGehfB3XYJvqJAEbCsRVN9psaxQvQfHQxTk18cu5lk7B/8HhVz3GIPYXYvIXp4Nnm7B8q1fevGmPGSzDrJdDYWTtbu4Njk3PBkplvXtVYq9XnuyiZwHp6Jg+ya+w6gVPkOABacRU6V5XyXU1VNuOj1a0GWn5PA2SfqEdRes= Received: by 10.78.204.7 with SMTP id b7mr2186659hug; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:51:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.141.6 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:51:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8b4c81f0609152151y5c6a1851n5d53514c670be54f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 01:51:06 -0300 From: "Henry Lenzi" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20060915164046.GN11663@tigger.digitaltorque.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200609150147.k8F1l73F029577@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <450A0E7F.5090400@voidcaptain.com> <20060915164046.GN11663@tigger.digitaltorque.ca> Subject: Re: Poutupgrade unsafe X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 04:51:09 -0000 > A nice portupgrade feature would be to grok UPDATING, and present you with any > such notes before the upgrade occurs. > > Mike I fully agree. It's not the best solution to have an UPDATE file that is very large and that is not integrated in the updating process. UPDATE should be machine-readable, for starters. Henry From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 05:24:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8285516A582 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 05:24:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@sage.thought.org) Received: from sage.thought.org (dsl231-043-140.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.43.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAB9643D49 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 05:24:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kline@sage.thought.org) Received: from sage.thought.org (kline@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sage.thought.org (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k8G5OfAt016945; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:24:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@sage.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by sage.thought.org (8.13.6/8.13.1/Submit) id k8G5OfMh016944; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:24:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:24:41 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Gary Kline Message-ID: <20060916052441.GA16920@thought.org> References: <20060916043408.GA16721@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060916043408.GA16721@thought.org> X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: Observing twenty years of service to the Unix community User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: 6.1 up, but I messed up on networking..... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 05:24:43 -0000 On Fri, Sep 15, 2006 at 09:34:08PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > > Guys, I can't ssh out, no nothing network works.... Meaning that > I can't scp in my just save /etc. I was obviously too careless > with meargemaster. The /var/log files don't suggest anything > Also X/xorg is bombing. How do I use X -whatever to generate an > xorg.conf file? > > thanks, if anybody is still around... > Ummm. Nermind. I'm downlading the *latest* 6.1. --long story, trust me. -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public service Unix From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 07:19:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 963A916A40F for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:19:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@intersonic.se) Received: from neonpark.inter-sonic.com (neonpark.inter-sonic.com [212.247.8.98]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47C4443D49 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:19:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peo@intersonic.se) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at inter-sonic.com Message-ID: <450BA57A.7000007@intersonic.se> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:19:22 +0200 From: Per olof Ljungmark Organization: Intersonic AB User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: how to add flags to ifconfig at boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:19:27 -0000 Hi, How can I add flags to ifconfig at boot time, i.e. I want it to start with 'ifconfig em0 -tso' ? Thanks, From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 08:05:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C09B16A403 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:05:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feelingwei@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE05443D58 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:05:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from feelingwei@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n29so2547288nfc for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 01:05:48 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bH6ZLhWW/xQYMHPplbmMj7MtSzDmTv5XHyrAY3uH2m8xDmC2G06P+kZcm1O4IVXWHaJ1R9wB/5MGffCCarlozOQZAVkVRssbUuhig0UDgA0oAQl839NtLghN0hBbQBncl3a58pvArPW9cES1Ye8K4KH/8JNpWPhiN7TUQZPIxPE= Received: by 10.48.254.10 with SMTP id b10mr14331896nfi; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 01:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.12.2 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 01:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:05:48 +1000 From: "Wei Hu" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200609152305.37375.daeg@houston.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200609152305.37375.daeg@houston.rr.com> Subject: Re: The fan is always on, even when the desktop is rather cool X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:05:50 -0000 Thanks David, I checked this page. now if I do: $ sysctl hw.acpi hw.acpi.supported_sleep_state: S1 S3 S4 S5 hw.acpi.power_button_state: S5 hw.acpi.sleep_button_state: S1 hw.acpi.lid_switch_state: NONE hw.acpi.standby_state: S1 hw.acpi.suspend_state: S3 hw.acpi.sleep_delay: 1 hw.acpi.s4bios: 0 hw.acpi.verbose: 0 hw.acpi.reset_video: 1 hw.acpi.cpu.cx_supported: C1/0 hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest: C1 hw.acpi.cpu.cx_usage: 100.00% and if i do #sudo acpiconf -s 5 OR #sudo acpiconf -s 1 nothing happens. Can I reinstall acpi, if yes, how can i do it? thanks. On 9/16/06, David J Brooks wrote: > On Friday 15 September 2006 18:10, Wei Hu wrote: > > I have 3 systems in my desktop: > > 1) When FreeBSD runs, my desktop fans are always running, and this > > make annoy noisy. > > 2) However when Debian runs, the fan eventually stops unless I am > > performing a load intensive task. > > 3) In Windows, the fan is almost always off. > > I tried to use acpi and apm, but they are for laptop.(?) > > In Freebsd, how can I control the cooling fans or how can the system > > turns the fans off when the load is not heavy. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > It sounds like a broken ACPI code to me. Check the handbook chapter on > debugging ACPI: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/acpi-debug.html > > David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 08:33:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FA1D16A407 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:33:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jas@math.jussieu.fr) Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80DB343D45 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:33:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jas@math.jussieu.fr) Received: from riemann.math.jussieu.fr (riemann.math.jussieu.fr [134.157.13.3]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.13.7/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id k8G8X3Uk098035 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:33:03 +0200 (CEST) X-Ids: 168 Received: from grobner1.math.jussieu.fr (galois2.math.jussieu.fr [134.157.13.117]) by riemann.math.jussieu.fr (8.13.8/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id k8G8X2g4090446 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:33:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from galois2.math.jussieu.fr (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by grobner1.math.jussieu.fr (8.13.7/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id k8G8X2At015254 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:33:02 +0200 Received: (from jas@localhost) by galois2.math.jussieu.fr (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id k8G8X1N2015253 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:33:01 +0200 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:33:01 +0200 From: Albert Shih To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060916083301.GA15083@math.jussieu.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Spam-Score: 0.001 () UNPARSEABLE_RELAY X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 134.157.13.3 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.168]); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:33:03 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/1885/Fri Sep 15 13:19:10 2006 on shiva.jussieu.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Miltered: at shiva.jussieu.fr with ID 450BB6BF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Subject: FS size X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: shih@math.jussieu.fr List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:33:06 -0000 Hi all I've read http://www.freebsd.org/projects/bigdisk/index.html and I want know actually on i386 arch is the limit of a fs is already 2 Tb What's the situation on amd64/EMT64, can we have big fs ? something like 10 or more TB ? Regards. -- Albert SHIH Universite de Paris 7 (Denis DIDEROT) U.F.R. de Mathematiques. 7 ième étage, plateau D, bureau 10 Heure local/Local time: Sat Sep 16 10:30:05 CEST 2006 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 08:47:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB2B16A407 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:47:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ke.han@redstarling.com) Received: from smtp106.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp106.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.254]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E68D43D45 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:47:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ke.han@redstarling.com) Received: (qmail 47092 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2006 08:47:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.20?) (ke.han@redstarling.com@218.79.215.253 with plain) by smtp106.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2006 08:47:01 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: freebsd-questions Questions list From: ke han Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:46:55 +0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Subject: PAY offered - sshd won't allow client from same domain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:47:03 -0000 I will PAY someone who can either answer this question or who wants to log into my server and help me figure it out. I can pay an hourly rate, make a donation to your favorite project...whatever. This problem is killing my productivity!!!! I have a FreeBSD 6.1-p6 server running as server1.domain.com. sshd is allowing connections from any client except those which share the domain.com name..I can't be certain this is the problem, but after a month of debugging, its the only common factor I can find. My ssh client on server2.domain.com (also FreeBSD 6.1) returns with "Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer" as output to my ssh client. On OS X the error message is "Write failed: Broken pipe". ...So mac.domain.com and server2.domain.com which are on different networks from server1 (and from each other) are not allowed...I don't get any useful error messages. Even setting sshd_config LogLevel to DEBUG3 doesn't provide anything meaningful (to me) in auth.log or debug.log for server2.domain.com, I even have its ip as an A record in DNS and server1 can see this. mac.domain.com is not so lucky as it sits behind a DHCP NAT'ed structure. But this should hardly be a problem...PuTTY on Windows XP with no domain setting and behind a NAT'd DHCP structure CAN connect... Please allow me to offer some incentive this time around as this is my third post on this problem to this maillist. I have not received a single reply. Please get in touch. thanks ke han From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 08:47:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB3D16A492 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:47:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from mxout4.cac.washington.edu (mxout4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D5743D45 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:47:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.33.9]) by mxout4.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.03) with ESMTP id k8G8lf6X030139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 01:47:41 -0700 X-Auth-Received: from [192.168.11.5] (208.131.210.220.dy.bbexcite.jp [220.210.131.208]) (authenticated authid=youshi10) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.03) with ESMTP id k8G8ldX3014173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 01:47:40 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060916083301.GA15083@math.jussieu.fr> References: <20060916083301.GA15083@math.jussieu.fr> X-Gpgmail-State: !signed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <39973C85-31FD-46A5-A466-E5B69B14C9E7@u.washington.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Garrett Cooper Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:47:38 +0900 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.266434, Antispam-Engine: 2.4.0.264935, Antispam-Data: 2006.9.16.12443 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' Subject: Re: FS size X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:47:42 -0000 On Sep 16, 2006, at 5:33 PM, Albert Shih wrote: > Hi all > > I've read > > http://www.freebsd.org/projects/bigdisk/index.html > > and I want know actually on i386 arch is the limit of a fs is =20 > already 2 Tb > What's the situation on amd64/EMT64, can we have big fs ? something =20= > like 10 > or more TB ? > > Regards. > -- > Albert SHIH > Universite de Paris 7 (Denis DIDEROT) > U.F.R. de Mathematiques. > 7 i=E8me =E9tage, plateau D, bureau 10 > Heure local/Local time: > Sat Sep 16 10:30:05 CEST 2006 Think 4TB for 64-bit, if the limitations are truly integer based. 32 =20 bit -> 64 bit usually just increases the precision usable by 2 unless =20= someone builds in increased number support. -Garrett= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 08:50:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB4516A416 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:50:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from mxout1.cac.washington.edu (mxout1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3281D43D49 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:50:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.32.139]) by mxout1.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.03) with ESMTP id k8G8o8bH007723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 01:50:08 -0700 X-Auth-Received: from [192.168.11.5] (208.131.210.220.dy.bbexcite.jp [220.210.131.208]) (authenticated authid=youshi10) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.03) with ESMTP id k8G8o6ZA012613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 01:50:08 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: X-Gpgmail-State: !signed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Garrett Cooper Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:50:06 +0900 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.266434, Antispam-Engine: 2.4.0.264935, Antispam-Data: 2006.9.16.13442 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' Subject: Re: PAY offered - sshd won't allow client from same domain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:50:10 -0000 On Sep 16, 2006, at 5:46 PM, ke han wrote: > I will PAY someone who can either answer this question or who wants > to log into my server and help me figure it out. I can pay an > hourly rate, make a donation to your favorite project...whatever. > This problem is killing my productivity!!!! > > I have a FreeBSD 6.1-p6 server running as server1.domain.com. > sshd is allowing connections from any client except those which > share the domain.com name..I can't be certain this is the problem, > but after a month of debugging, its the only common factor I can > find. My ssh client on server2.domain.com (also FreeBSD 6.1) > returns with "Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer" as > output to my ssh client. On OS X the error message is "Write > failed: Broken pipe". > ...So mac.domain.com and server2.domain.com which are on different > networks from server1 (and from each other) are not allowed...I > don't get any useful error messages. Even setting sshd_config > LogLevel to DEBUG3 doesn't provide anything meaningful (to me) in > auth.log or debug.log > for server2.domain.com, I even have its ip as an A record in DNS > and server1 can see this. mac.domain.com is not so lucky as it > sits behind a DHCP NAT'ed structure. But this should hardly be a > problem...PuTTY on Windows XP with no domain setting and behind a > NAT'd DHCP structure CAN connect... > > Please allow me to offer some incentive this time around as this is > my third post on this problem to this maillist. I have not > received a single reply. > > Please get in touch. > thanks ke han Do you have kerberos compiled and in use for authentication on the FreeBSD server and are you using it on the OSX client? ssh -vv server1.domain.com says? -Garrett From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 08:57:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD5016A47B for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:57:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fysical@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7283843D6B for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:57:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fysical@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so4110091pye for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 01:57:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=sBBGHpf1+4TP9po7E//Nn849JAwA/wqLHA8Hf3Sa7YcU1gNbm3WYNZWNurTVvCWQvJhUB4eNiX0roPFkDZ7S9hWV39iWxO40aOcvnjKvwqt/oZxH/ofzeyGoJ2jZNhHJ9iI8LSwPmvWO8S+qYMvRZ/vA5hfu0XyNTOWFZyVsFqM= Received: by 10.65.251.1 with SMTP id d1mr13017201qbs; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 01:57:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.124.13 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 01:57:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73d604760609160157y426ce69ei58c4f8cbecf632d6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:27:33 +0530 From: "Viswas Nair" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <44r6yio2pk.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <73d604760609100022o5ea4831cwa7ecd29e7461fe99@mail.gmail.com> <44r6yio2pk.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lstdc++_p X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:57:37 -0000 No such file in /usr/lib. Came across libstdc++.a and libstdc++.so On 9/11/06, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > > "Viswas Nair" writes: > > > I get the message "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lstdc++_p" while building > the > > xfe X11 file manager. > > A google did not give any ideas. > > Need help. > > Well, start with whether libstdc++_p.a actually exists in /usr/lib. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 09:02:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D224116A403 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:02:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.234]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6329443D45 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:02:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id a10so852003qbd for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:02:46 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=a2x0n1TpyQgc2eVSHX0YLsmwt1aFrukOnWDl+cWRiJ30BzSNqB+pXsNTCwFhxK6mA5GhRMYcG47dEBzpFX0xJm2vTScmHpa2SoyakzlEmqExNfnK38cfrdvu8zlw9eQHYe6vkmwtchKotNE0xLSjtF8yw+EmRK7m4LfH+Q7K0M4= Received: by 10.35.22.17 with SMTP id z17mr19047466pyi; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 01:55:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.105.10 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 01:55:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:55:52 +0400 From: "Andrew Pantyukhin" Sender: infofarmer@gmail.com To: "WilsonWilliamGJr@aol.com" In-Reply-To: <314.11bc7900.323c54da@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <314.11bc7900.323c54da@aol.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: ace2807bbf83ece0 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Processors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:02:47 -0000 On 9/15/06, WilsonWilliamGJr@aol.com wrote: > To whom it may concern > > I have a computer with a dual-core processor. Will FreeBSD operate on > this machine? Yes, of course. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 09:05:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D811216A407 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:05:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ke.han@redstarling.com) Received: from smtp104.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp104.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.252]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 617FE43D45 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:05:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ke.han@redstarling.com) Received: (qmail 75798 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2006 09:05:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.20?) (ke.han@redstarling.com@218.79.215.253 with plain) by smtp104.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2006 09:05:37 -0000 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Message-Id: From: ke han Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:05:29 +0800 To: Garrett Cooper X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PAY offered - sshd won't allow client from same domain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:05:44 -0000 On Sep 16, 2006, at 4:50 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: > ssh -vv server1.domain.com form OS X: (real domain name edited to domain.com) > ssh -vv server1.domain.com OpenSSH_4.2p1, OpenSSL 0.9.7i 14 Oct 2005 debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh_config debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 debug1: Connecting to server1.domain.com [209.216.230.199] port 22. debug1: Connection established. debug1: identity file /Users/jhancock/.ssh/identity type -1 debug1: identity file /Users/jhancock/.ssh/id_rsa type -1 debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type '-----BEGIN' debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type 'Proc-Type:' debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type 'DEK-Info:' debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type '-----END' debug1: identity file /Users/jhancock/.ssh/id_dsa type 2 debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_4.2p1 FreeBSD-20050903 debug1: match: OpenSSH_4.2p1 FreeBSD-20050903 pat OpenSSH* debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0 debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.2 debug2: fd 3 setting O_NONBLOCK debug1: Miscellaneous failure No credentials cache found debug1: Miscellaneous failure No credentials cache found debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1,diffie- hellman-group14-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: ssh-rsa,ssh-dss debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128- cbc,arcfour128,arcfour256,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,rijndael- cbc@lysator.liu.se,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128- cbc,arcfour128,arcfour256,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,rijndael- cbc@lysator.liu.se,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac- ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac- ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib@openssh.com,zlib debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib@openssh.com,zlib debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: first_kex_follows 0 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: reserved 0 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1,diffie- hellman-group14-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: ssh-dss debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128- cbc,arcfour128,arcfour256,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,rijndael- cbc@lysator.liu.se,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128- cbc,arcfour128,arcfour256,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,rijndael- cbc@lysator.liu.se,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac- ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac- ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib@openssh.com debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib@openssh.com debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: first_kex_follows 0 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: reserved 0 debug2: mac_init: found hmac-md5 debug1: kex: server->client aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none debug2: mac_init: found hmac-md5 debug1: kex: client->server aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REQUEST(1024<1024<8192) sent debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_GROUP debug2: dh_gen_key: priv key bits set: 132/256 debug2: bits set: 523/1024 debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_INIT sent debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REPLY debug1: Host 'server1.domain.com' is known and matches the DSA host key. debug1: Found key in /Users/jhancock/.ssh/known_hosts:2 debug2: bits set: 527/1024 debug1: ssh_dss_verify: signature correct debug2: kex_derive_keys debug2: set_newkeys: mode 1 debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS debug2: set_newkeys: mode 0 debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST sent Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 09:42:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E8D516A403 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:42:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ke.han@redstarling.com) Received: from smtp102.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp102.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.237]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 03BB943D45 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:42:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ke.han@redstarling.com) Received: (qmail 65268 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2006 09:42:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.20?) (ke.han@redstarling.com@218.79.215.253 with plain) by smtp102.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2006 09:42:31 -0000 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: ke han Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:42:23 +0800 To: Garrett Cooper X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PAY offered - sshd won't allow client from same domain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:42:39 -0000 On Sep 16, 2006, at 4:50 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: > > Do you have kerberos compiled and in use for authentication on the > FreeBSD server and are you using it on the OSX client? server1 is the default from an original freeBSD 6.1 install and as of last week had a full cvsup and rebuild world (smae problem prior to the upgrade)...so its at 6.1-RELEASE--p6 now...I have not actively tried to enable or setup anything with kerberos on server or OS X client. My OS X client can connect fine to my other FreeBSD server2. server1 is the only server I can't connect to. The Windows XP client which can login to server1 can use either normal pam password or dsa key...very basic normal usage. The only line changed in sshd_config is UseDNS no. Changing it back to yes has no effect. > ssh -vv server1.domain.com says? > -Garrett_______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 09:46:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F89616A407 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:46:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LoN_Kamikaze@gmx.de) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 05F3743D6D for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:46:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from LoN_Kamikaze@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 16 Sep 2006 09:46:17 -0000 Received: from p54A7D4DB.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.0.12]) [84.167.212.219] by mail.gmx.net (mp037) with SMTP; 16 Sep 2006 11:46:17 +0200 X-Authenticated: #5465401 Message-ID: <450BC7E2.2050400@gmx.de> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:46:10 +0200 From: "[LoN]Kamikaze" Organization: Lords of Nightmare User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060915) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shih@math.jussieu.fr References: <20060916083301.GA15083@math.jussieu.fr> In-Reply-To: <20060916083301.GA15083@math.jussieu.fr> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FS size X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:46:23 -0000 Albert Shih wrote: > Hi all > > I've read > > http://www.freebsd.org/projects/bigdisk/index.html > > and I want know actually on i386 arch is the limit of a fs is already 2 Tb > What's the situation on amd64/EMT64, can we have big fs ? something like 10 > or more TB ? There are people who use 8t partitions on i386. All you need to do is tweak some settings to allow fsck to assign enough memory for a file system check. This is possible because I think the file system is access block wise. With a block size of 4k an 8TB FS only requires an address space of 2g. I don't know anything about the UFS internals, so I cannot give you the real numbers, but they should that something aught to be technically possible. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 09:47:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ED3516A417 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:47:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arheil@bigfoot.com) Received: from alex2.sam-isp.net (alex2.sam-isp.net [83.220.69.29]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18DB043D69 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:47:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from arheil@bigfoot.com) Received: by alex2.sam-isp.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B97F551D9BF; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:44:21 +0500 (SAMST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Alexey G. Khramkov Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:44:21 +0500 Message-ID: <877j04no22.fsf@alex2.sam-isp.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.4 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [CVSup]::[cvsup5.ru.freebsd.org]: No CVSROOT directory. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:47:15 -0000 Hello. I've used cvsup application under NetBSD-CURRENT to get whole CVS repositories from NetBSD, FreeBSD and OpenBSD projects. The client software works with cvsup5.ru.freebsd.org mirror flawlessly (no errors or somthing strange). I have issue with OpenBSD server (cvsup.no.openbsd.org) like: src/sbin/isakmpd/isakmpd.conf.5,v: Checksum mismatch -- will transfer entire file All servers report the same version (SNAP_16_1h). The same client: CVSup client, non-GUI version Copyright 1996-2003 John D. Polstra Software version: SNAP_16_1h Protocol version: 17.0 Operating system: NetBSDi386 http://www.cvsup.org/ Report problems to cvsup-bugs@polstra.com CVSup is a registered trademark of John D. Polstra I can't checkout any branch at all because CVS repository is not consistent w/o CVSROOT directory. Thus my copy is useless. Question is obvious: why? No filter settings in sup.cfg files. I can provide more info if you tell me what you want to get. Please, CC me, I'm not on the list. TIA, -- = System Administrator, SAMTELECOM LLC, Samara, Russia ===================== = Alexey G. Khramkov (agkhram) @ Samtelecom = = GPG fingerprint : 944D 0C8B 343B 6C8D 50A1 061A E2DA 3E11 7765 6B47 ===== From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 09:50:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 963E916A403 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:50:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from girish1729@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4E443D45 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:50:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from girish1729@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so4123443pye for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:50:06 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:date:to:subject:message-id:reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:user-agent:from; b=T+yq9TIdeiNp2ByAfnu3PzzrA/LacHcItOZLZkOh1hy4BJrAfWZdFqRT13Hk6fyRt7WWEb5y46hRE/SMJTlIDCX15/Q/abwm5SGl0+8BWd/zMk85nyQi/HlmlR0xXQT1OCenVnBGYxt7MgcMfNCniw4VSTmf3iiCmEe+h3JZVEY= Received: by 10.65.151.6 with SMTP id d6mr10238575qbo; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:50:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lakshmi.susmita.org ( [59.92.56.176]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id e11sm2522158qbc.2006.09.16.02.50.04; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:50:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lakshmi.susmita.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 22AC023A925; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:20:00 +0530 (IST) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:20:00 +0530 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060916094959.GA16396@lakshmi.susmita.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i From: Girish Venkatachalam Subject: Making simple colorful block diagrams for presentations X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: girishvenkatachalam@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:50:11 -0000 Hello, I want a simple tool that can be used for preparing block diagrams and arrows, that is all. I want to be able to use few colors, that is all. Please don't suggest openoffice or kde. I want something simple. Thanks. regards, Girish -- Whenever people agree with me I always feel I am wrong. - Oscar Wilde From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 09:57:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8113016A407 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:57:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1450743D46 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:57:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from falcon.midgard.homeip.net (83.253.29.241) by pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.2.075) id 44FECF140029A9E0 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:57:36 +0200 Received: (qmail 65890 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2006 11:57:35 +0200 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with SMTP; 16 Sep 2006 11:57:35 +0200 Received: (qmail 43958 invoked by uid 1001); 16 Sep 2006 11:57:35 +0200 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:57:35 +0200 From: Erik Trulsson To: girishvenkatachalam@gmail.com Message-ID: <20060916095735.GA43895@owl.midgard.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: girishvenkatachalam@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20060916094959.GA16396@lakshmi.susmita.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060916094959.GA16396@lakshmi.susmita.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Making simple colorful block diagrams for presentations X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:57:37 -0000 On Sat, Sep 16, 2006 at 03:20:00PM +0530, Girish Venkatachalam wrote: > > Hello, > > I want a simple tool that can be used for preparing block diagrams and > arrows, that is all. I want to be able to use few colors, that is all. > > Please don't suggest openoffice or kde. I want something simple. > graphics/xfig might be worth looking at. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 10:38:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A958D16A407 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:38:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bug2bug@bug2bug.tk) Received: from ns.vega-int.ru (ns.vega-int.ru [62.148.228.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB0E43D45 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:38:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bug2bug@bug2bug.tk) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ns.vega-int.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 519A110004F for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:38:25 +0600 (YEKST) Received: from ns.vega-int.ru ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08647-02 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:38:21 +0600 (YEKST) Received: from [172.23.12.179] (unknown [172.23.12.179]) by ns.vega-int.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EA4E10004E for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:38:21 +0600 (YEKST) From: =?koi8-r?b?88XSx8XKIPPPwsvP?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:40:22 +0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609161640.22782.bug2bug@bug2bug.tk> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at vega-int.ru Subject: A question about programming RS-232 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bug2bug@bug2bug.tk List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:38:28 -0000 Andrew Falanga wrote: > I am by no means the worlds best serial programmer, but recently I have > done some work on this subject and I noticed one thing in the code sample > above that should be avoided. However, I'll give you what I saw in-line: > > > #include > > > #include > > #include > > #include > > > > int main(void) { > > int t = 0, num = 10, fd, iOut; char *ch; > > struct termios my_termios; > > ch = (char *)malloc(6); > > memset(ch, 250, 6); > > fd = open("/dev/cuad0", O_RDWR | O_NONBLOCK); > > Ok, great, we've opened our serial device. Unless you need this to be a > controlling terminal, you should open with open( "/dev/cuad0", O_RDWR | > O_NONBLOCK | O_NOCTTY ); Check with the open man page to make sure I've > given you the correct constant for opening as a non-controlling terminal. > > > printf("Opened com port\n"); > > > if(fd < 0) return 0; > > // tcflush(fd, TCIFLUSH); > > my_termios.c_cflag = CS8 | CLOCAL; > > if(cfsetspeed(&my_termios, B9600) < 0) return 0; > > if(tcsetattr(fd, TCSANOW, &my_termios) < 0) return 0; > > You've set the attributes you want to use in the structure you defined, > my_termios. However, you should call tcgetattr() before changing what you > want to change (and make sure you always turn things on as you have done > above with bitwise or). So, your code should look something like, > > // assume an open file descriptor named fd > struct termios my_termios; > > if( tcgetattr( fd, &my_termios ) < 0 ) { > fprintf( stderr, "error in getting termios properties\n" ); > return AN_ERROR; > } > > // turn on what you want > my_termios.c_cflag = CS8 | CLOCAL; > > if( tcsetattr( fd, &my_termios ) < 0 } { > fprintf( stderr, "error in setting new properties to serial port\n" ); > return AN_ERROR; > } > > > I don't know if this will solve your problems but I do know I read that you > should always get the current settings because the serial driver may use > certain bits and you don't want to turn them off. Also, if you're going to > return the port settings to the state before you took hold of it, make two > termios structures and stuff the original settings away to be restored upon > exit or close of the port. > > Lastly, here is a link to a serial programming guide that I found quite > helpful. The info is probably dated to some degree, but it is non the less > useful. > > http://www.easysw.com/~mike/serial/serial.html > > Andy I have corrected, what you say, but it doesn't work at all! The code I tryed: #include #include #include #include int main(void) { int t = 0, num = 10, fd, i, iOut; char *ch; struct termios my_termios; ch = (char *)malloc(6); memset(ch, 50, 6); fd = open("/dev/cuad0", O_RDWR | O_NOCTTY | O_NDELAY); fcntl(fd, F_SETFL, 0); printf("Opened com port\n"); if(fd < 0) return 0; if(tcgetattr(fd, &my_termios) < 0) return 0; printf("Got my_termios struct\n"); if(cfsetspeed(&my_termios, B9600) < 0) return 0; printf("Set speed B9600\n"); my_termios.c_cflag &= ~PARENB; my_termios.c_cflag &= ~CSTOPB; my_termios.c_cflag &= ~CSIZE; my_termios.c_cflag |= CS8; my_termios.c_cflag |= CLOCAL; my_termios.c_cflag |= CREAD; my_termios.c_lflag &= ~(ICANON | ECHO | ECHOE | ISIG); my_termios.c_oflag &= ~OPOST; if(tcsetattr(fd, TCSANOW, &my_termios) < 0) return 0; printf("Setting my_termios attr\n"); iOut = write(fd, ch, 6); if(iOut < 0) return 0; printf("Number of bytes = %d\n", iOut); printf("Writed %s!\n", ch); close(fd); printf("Closed!\n"); return 0; } After executing it writes: Opened com port Got my_termios struct Set speed B9600 Setting my_termios attr Number of bytes = 6 Writed 222222! Closed! But! No effect ;( I'm in shock! How can it work under Windows if it doesn't work in UNIX? May be I'm a lamer or I'm doing stupid things? But such code in Delphi using component TComPort works perfectly: library cportio; { Important note about DLL memory management: ShareMem must be the first unit in your library's USES clause AND your project's (select Project-View Source) USES clause if your DLL exports any procedures or functions that pass strings as parameters or function results. This applies to all strings passed to and from your DLL--even those that are nested in records and classes. ShareMem is the interface unit to the BORLNDMM.DLL shared memory manager, which must be deployed along with your DLL. To avoid using BORLNDMM.DLL, pass string information using PChar or ShortString parameters. } uses SysUtils, Classes, CPort, Forms, Windows, IniFiles; var Com: TComPort; const crlf: String = #10 + #13; const Name: String = 'Com'; const xPort: String = 'COM1'; const xDataBits: TDataBits = dbEight; const xStopBits: TStopBits = sbOneStopBit; const xParityBits: TParityBits = prNone; const xFlowControl: TFlowControl = fcNone; const xBaudRate: TBaudRate = br9600; {$R *.res} function WriteComPort(xData: Integer): Integer; stdcall; begin Com := TComPort.Create(Application); Com.Port := xPort; Com.DataBits := xDataBits; Com.StopBits := xStopBits; Com.Parity.Bits := xParityBits; Com.FlowControl.FlowControl := xFlowControl; Com.BaudRate := xBaudRate; Com.Open; Com.WriteStr(chr(xData)); Com.Close; Com.Free; WriteComPort := 1; end; exports WriteComPort; begin end. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 11:12:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21C2C16A40F for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:12:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from azari@sepehrs.com) Received: from sepehrs.com (sepehrs.com [213.217.59.98]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B3843D62 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:12:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from azari@sepehrs.com) Received: from sepehrs.com (sst.co.ir [127.0.0.1]) by sepehrs.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8GEhfkF044088; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:43:46 GMT (envelope-from azari@sepehrs.com) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by sepehrs.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k8GEhf7v044087; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:43:41 GMT (envelope-from azari@sepehrs.com) From: Hamid Azari X-Authentication-Warning: sepehrs.com: nobody set sender to azari@sepehrs.com using -f Received: from 192.168.3.1 (SquirrelMail authenticated user azari) by webmail.sepehrs.com with HTTP; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:43:41 -0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4982.192.168.3.1.1158417821.squirrel@webmail.sepehrs.com> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:43:41 -0000 (UTC) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, azari@sepehrs.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Sepehr-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Sepehr-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Sepehr-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.399, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-MailScanner-From: azari@sepehrs.com X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Subject: My USB modem works under Linux, but not under FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:12:06 -0000 Hi all, I have a hardware(controller-based) USB modem(Zoom 2985-00-00C) that is identified under Liunx by acm driver and can be accessed through /dev/ttyACM0 and with some tools like “cu” and AT command set. This means that it supports CDC/ACM. But under FreeBSD 6.1(which have the latest umodem driver) with loaded ucom and umodem driver into kernel, after attaching the modem to the USB port, these messages appear on screen: ucom0: data interface 1, has CM over data, has break ucom0: Could not find data bulk in device_attach: ucom0 attach returned 6 and there is no ucom0 or any other appropriate devices in /dev directory and the modem does not work. With due attention to successful working under Linux, is there any hope to solve this problem under FreeBSD? Is it necessary to update umodem driver or there is an easy way? Best regards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 11:33:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D728A16A40F for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:33:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com (mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69F7E43D46 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:33:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from localhost (monrovll-cuda1-24-53-251-44.pittpa.adelphia.net [24.53.251.44]) (AUTH: LOGIN wmoran, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by wingspan with esmtp; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:33:45 -0400 id 00056416.450BE119.0000C00F Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:33:43 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: ke han Message-Id: <20060916073343.cd51fda8.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Collaborative Fusion X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.7 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions Questions list Subject: Re: PAY offered - sshd won't allow client from same domain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:33:46 -0000 ke han wrote: > I will PAY someone who can either answer this question or who wants > to log into my server and help me figure it out. I can pay an hourly > rate, make a donation to your favorite project...whatever. This > problem is killing my productivity!!!! > > I have a FreeBSD 6.1-p6 server running as server1.domain.com. > sshd is allowing connections from any client except those which share > the domain.com name..I can't be certain this is the problem, but > after a month of debugging, its the only common factor I can find. > My ssh client on server2.domain.com (also FreeBSD 6.1) returns with > "Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer" as output to my > ssh client. On OS X the error message is "Write failed: Broken pipe". > ...So mac.domain.com and server2.domain.com which are on different > networks from server1 (and from each other) are not allowed...I don't > get any useful error messages. Even setting sshd_config LogLevel to > DEBUG3 doesn't provide anything meaningful (to me) in auth.log or > debug.log > for server2.domain.com, I even have its ip as an A record in DNS and > server1 can see this. mac.domain.com is not so lucky as it sits > behind a DHCP NAT'ed structure. But this should hardly be a > problem...PuTTY on Windows XP with no domain setting and behind a > NAT'd DHCP structure CAN connect... You've obscured a lot of information regarding DNS and other configs, so I can only make a guess, but my guess would be that the DNS for your domain is somehow configured incorrectly and the server is time out trying to resolve domain names. Log in to the server and verify (using host(1)) that domain names resolve for the client's you're having trouble with. If that fails, you have more information to trace the problem. If that doesn't indicate anything, log into the server and run a second sshd with -D and capture all of the output. You may also need to use -p to run it on another port to ensure it doesn't conflict with the system sshd. Try to log in via a failing host and see if the output gives you any clues. If not, post it to see if someone else can identify something wrong with the process. -- Bill Moran That's why I never kiss 'em on the mouth. Jayne Cobb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 13:11:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C5D016A416 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:11:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml.diespammer@netfence.it) Received: from parrot.aev.net (parrot.aev.net [212.31.247.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5330543D45 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:10:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ml.diespammer@netfence.it) Received: from soth.ventu (adsl-ull-214-237.51-151.net24.it [151.51.237.214]) (authenticated bits=128) by parrot.aev.net (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8GDEZNI076640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:14:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml.diespammer@netfence.it) Received: from [10.1.2.18] (alamar.ventu [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.13.8/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k8GDAOQr065854 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:10:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml.diespammer@netfence.it) Message-ID: <450BF7D4.6020004@netfence.it> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:10:44 +0200 From: Andrea Venturoli User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060915) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 212.31.247.179 Subject: tunderbird with arts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:11:00 -0000 Is it still possible? I had modified /usr/X11/lib/thunderbird/run-mozilla.sh to read artsdsp "$prog" ${1+"$@"} instead of simply $prog" ${1+"$@"} and it used to work. It stopped recently after I don't know which upgrade. Any better way? bye & Thanks av. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 13:51:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC0716A403 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:51:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from mxout4.cac.washington.edu (mxout4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 953B043D46 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:51:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.32.139]) by mxout4.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.03) with ESMTP id k8GDpdSr019948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 06:51:39 -0700 X-Auth-Received: from [192.168.11.5] (208.131.210.220.dy.bbexcite.jp [220.210.131.208]) (authenticated authid=youshi10) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.03) with ESMTP id k8GDpaTk020966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 06:51:38 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: X-Gpgmail-State: !signed Message-Id: <54DA4AB7-ACD4-4C04-95FD-CB1A21692AE9@u.washington.edu> From: Garrett Cooper Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:51:36 +0900 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.266434, Antispam-Engine: 2.4.0.264935, Antispam-Data: 2006.9.16.55443 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CT 0, __CTYPE_HAS_BOUNDARY 0, __CTYPE_MULTIPART 0, __CTYPE_MULTIPART_ALT 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_HTML 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __TAG_EXISTS_HTML 0' Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: PAY offered - sshd won't allow client from same domain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:51:41 -0000 On Sep 16, 2006, at 6:05 PM, ke han wrote: > > On Sep 16, 2006, at 4:50 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: > >> ssh -vv server1.domain.com > > form OS X: (real domain name edited to domain.com) > > > ssh -vv server1.domain.com > OpenSSH_4.2p1, OpenSSL 0.9.7i 14 Oct 2005 > debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh_config > debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 > debug1: Connecting to server1.domain.com [209.216.230.199] port 22. > debug1: Connection established. > debug1: identity file /Users/jhancock/.ssh/identity type -1 > debug1: identity file /Users/jhancock/.ssh/id_rsa type -1 > debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type '-----BEGIN' > debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type 'Proc-Type:' > debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type 'DEK-Info:' > debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type '-----END' > debug1: identity file /Users/jhancock/.ssh/id_dsa type 2 > debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version > OpenSSH_4.2p1 FreeBSD-20050903 > debug1: match: OpenSSH_4.2p1 FreeBSD-20050903 pat OpenSSH* > debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0 > debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.2 > debug2: fd 3 setting O_NONBLOCK > debug1: Miscellaneous failure > No credentials cache found > > debug1: Miscellaneous failure > No credentials cache found > > debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent > debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: diffie-hellman-group-exchange- > sha1,diffie-hellman-group14-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: ssh-rsa,ssh-dss > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128- > cbc,arcfour128,arcfour256,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,rijndael- > cbc@lysator.liu.se,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128- > cbc,arcfour128,arcfour256,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,rijndael- > cbc@lysator.liu.se,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac- > ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96 > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac- > ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96 > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib@openssh.com,zlib > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib@openssh.com,zlib > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: first_kex_follows 0 > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: reserved 0 > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: diffie-hellman-group-exchange- > sha1,diffie-hellman-group14-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: ssh-dss > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128- > cbc,arcfour128,arcfour256,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,rijndael- > cbc@lysator.liu.se,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128- > cbc,arcfour128,arcfour256,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,rijndael- > cbc@lysator.liu.se,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac- > ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96 > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac- > ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96 > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib@openssh.com > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib@openssh.com > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: first_kex_follows 0 > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: reserved 0 > debug2: mac_init: found hmac-md5 > debug1: kex: server->client aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none > debug2: mac_init: found hmac-md5 > debug1: kex: client->server aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none > debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REQUEST(1024<1024<8192) sent > debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_GROUP > debug2: dh_gen_key: priv key bits set: 132/256 > debug2: bits set: 523/1024 > debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_INIT sent > debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REPLY > debug1: Host 'server1.domain.com' is known and matches the DSA host > key. > debug1: Found key in /Users/jhancock/.ssh/known_hosts:2 > debug2: bits set: 527/1024 > debug1: ssh_dss_verify: signature correct > debug2: kex_derive_keys > debug2: set_newkeys: mode 1 > debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent > debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS > debug2: set_newkeys: mode 0 > debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received > debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST sent > Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer Your problem appears to be in how your user is being authenticated and not your DNS setup, I think. Example: shiina:~ gcooper$ uname -a Darwin shiina.local 8.7.0 Darwin Kernel Version 8.7.0: Fri May 26 15:20:53 PDT 2006; root:xnu-792.6.76.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc shiina:~ gcooper$ ssh -vv tebo.cs.washington.edu OpenSSH_4.2p1, OpenSSL 0.9.7i 14 Oct 2005 debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh_config debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 debug1: Connecting to tebo.cs.washington.edu [128.208.6.74] port 22. debug1: Connection established. debug1: identity file /Users/gcooper/.ssh/identity type -1 debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type '-----BEGIN' debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type 'Proc-Type:' debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type 'DEK-Info:' debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type '-----END' debug1: identity file /Users/gcooper/.ssh/id_rsa type 1 debug1: identity file /Users/gcooper/.ssh/id_dsa type -1 debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_4.3 debug1: match: OpenSSH_4.3 pat OpenSSH* debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0 debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.2 debug2: fd 3 setting O_NONBLOCK debug1: Miscellaneous failure No credentials cache found debug1: Miscellaneous failure No credentials cache found debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1,diffie- hellman-group14-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: ssh-rsa,ssh-dss debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128- cbc,arcfour128,arcfour256,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,rijndael- cbc@lysator.liu.se,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128- cbc,arcfour128,arcfour256,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,rijndael- cbc@lysator.liu.se,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac- ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac- ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib@openssh.com,zlib debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib@openssh.com,zlib debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: first_kex_follows 0 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: reserved 0 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1,diffie- hellman-group14-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: ssh-rsa,ssh-dss debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128- cbc,arcfour128,arcfour256,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,rijndael- cbc@lysator.liu.se,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128- cbc,arcfour128,arcfour256,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,rijndael- cbc@lysator.liu.se,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac- ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac- ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib@openssh.com debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib@openssh.com debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: first_kex_follows 0 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: reserved 0 debug2: mac_init: found hmac-md5 debug1: kex: server->client aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none debug2: mac_init: found hmac-md5 debug1: kex: client->server aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REQUEST(1024<1024<8192) sent debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_GROUP debug2: dh_gen_key: priv key bits set: 125/256 debug2: bits set: 512/1024 debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_INIT sent debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REPLY debug1: Host 'tebo.cs.washington.edu' is known and matches the RSA host key. debug1: Found key in /Users/gcooper/.ssh/known_hosts:43 debug2: bits set: 504/1024 debug1: ssh_rsa_verify: signature correct debug2: kex_derive_keys debug2: set_newkeys: mode 1 debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS debug2: set_newkeys: mode 0 debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST sent debug2: service_accept: ssh-userauth The only thing I can tell that's different is that I'm trying to connect to a Linux host with an RSA host key, where you're trying to connect to a FreeBSD host with a DSA key. Have you tried deleting or renaming your DSA/RSA public key and then try connecting to the FreeBSD host again? -Garrett From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 14:12:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79D1E16A407 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:12:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daeg@houston.rr.com) Received: from ms-smtp-05.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.texas.rr.com [24.93.47.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C2943D49 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:12:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from daeg@houston.rr.com) Received: from cpe-24-167-74-69.houston.res.rr.com (cpe-24-167-74-69.houston.res.rr.com [24.167.74.69]) by ms-smtp-05.texas.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8GECdXd025063 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:12:40 -0500 (CDT) From: David J Brooks Organization: KC5WNK To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:12:47 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <200609152305.37375.daeg@houston.rr.com> In-Reply-To: X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(=?utf-8?q?gxJxxc=0A=09R=09nSNPNr*/=5E=7EStawWU9KDJ-CT0k=24f=23?=@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609160912.48234.daeg@houston.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Subject: Re: The fan is always on, even when the desktop is rather cool X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:12:41 -0000 On Saturday 16 September 2006 03:05, Wei Hu wrote: > Thanks David, I checked this page. now if I do: > $ sysctl hw.acpi > hw.acpi.supported_sleep_state: S1 S3 S4 S5 > hw.acpi.power_button_state: S5 > hw.acpi.sleep_button_state: S1 > hw.acpi.lid_switch_state: NONE > hw.acpi.standby_state: S1 > hw.acpi.suspend_state: S3 > hw.acpi.sleep_delay: 1 > hw.acpi.s4bios: 0 > hw.acpi.verbose: 0 > hw.acpi.reset_video: 1 > hw.acpi.cpu.cx_supported: C1/0 > hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest: C1 > hw.acpi.cpu.cx_usage: 100.00% > > and if i do > #sudo acpiconf -s 5 OR #sudo acpiconf -s 1 > nothing happens. > > Can I reinstall acpi, if yes, how can i do it? thanks. > > On 9/16/06, David J Brooks wrote: > > On Friday 15 September 2006 18:10, Wei Hu wrote: > > > I have 3 systems in my desktop: > > > 1) When FreeBSD runs, my desktop fans are always running, and this > > > make annoy noisy. > > > 2) However when Debian runs, the fan eventually stops unless I am > > > performing a load intensive task. > > > 3) In Windows, the fan is almost always off. > > > I tried to use acpi and apm, but they are for laptop.(?) > > > In Freebsd, how can I control the cooling fans or how can the system > > > turns the fans off when the load is not heavy. > > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > > It sounds like a broken ACPI code to me. Check the handbook chapter on > > debugging ACPI: > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/acpi-debug.html Its been a while since I messed with it, and I finally got my fan problem solved by replacing the computer with one that had a working ACPI bytecode. What The problem is that the ACPI code for your machine was probably compiled with the Microsoft compiler, which gives a clean compile on errors that would be caught by the Intel compiler. You can dump this bytecode to source and try to recompile it with the Intel compiler. That will likely show you what's broken. If you're lucky you may be able to recode to fix the errors and then load your new bytecode rather than the broken one that shipped with your machine. The best place to persue this question further is the freebsd-acpi mail-list. If Nate Lawson can't help you out, you're probably stuck with a noisy machine. At least you can be confident that it won't overheat. :) David -- Sure the Almighty created the world in only six days, but He didn't have an established user-base. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 14:30:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D32D816A403 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:30:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ajm91qw@sbcglobal.net) Received: from smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5506943D45 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:30:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ajm91qw@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 50290 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2006 14:30:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent; b=fPwF2350qd6dIbKQvyj7LHabVnfQhxeqMZgS30179NfFCPg2GleVUNIDYkVlsW1Ij39vUko5M5LfLHi4YMqvPaBEhsfsvPfzmKTajkLGJD0ItFIHwEe5im+mFHkLSkt2PwLrbb98QqEQWidOppkTX0DpTT6GHQVDIXILPezvOR4= ; Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (ajm91qw@sbcglobal.net@70.254.69.125 with plain) by smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2006 14:30:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:32:21 -0500 From: ajm To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060916143221.GA14164@powerfull.bsd> References: <20060916094959.GA16396@lakshmi.susmita.org> <20060916095735.GA43895@owl.midgard.homeip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060916095735.GA43895@owl.midgard.homeip.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: girishvenkatachalam@gmail.com Subject: Re: Making simple colorful block diagrams for presentations X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:30:52 -0000 On Sat, Sep 16, 2006 at 11:57:35AM +0200, Erik Trulsson wrote: > On Sat, Sep 16, 2006 at 03:20:00PM +0530, Girish Venkatachalam wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I want a simple tool that can be used for preparing block diagrams and > > arrows, that is all. I want to be able to use few colors, that is all. > > > > Please don't suggest openoffice or kde. I want something simple. > > > > graphics/xfig might be worth looking at. > > > -- > > Erik Trulsson > ertr1013@student.uu.se try also graphics/tgif -- FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE i386 GENERIC From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 14:46:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C141D16A407 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:46:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fysical@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E01D43D46 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:46:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fysical@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so4215218pye for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:45:59 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=cu21skyey+06rJFmah0owsotiZQZPZuWbpyfnOkPTDr6gNRfEbmbT8fa+1e796HKhm/8ih9ArnESq6VK77M/ksLvZU4FJetpn/oRx9Wk8EibH2XRc42gmtNygnvwT2c7Tq5uKKgS1pB9SyfLOiP2gOtvaMSGgcNbloEWlBcsrD0= Received: by 10.65.103.17 with SMTP id f17mr6344238qbm; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.124.13 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73d604760609160745k6419a381y4fb9269610246d94@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:15:59 +0530 From: "Viswas Nair" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Crippled FreeBSD! Need help! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:46:00 -0000 I have managed to scr** up my FBSD 6.1 installation. This is what happened: I had an installation of BSD with which I was experimenting and managed to get it to work to my taste. Call this installation A. This installation had a lot of unwanted ports installed so I decided to do a new installation. I installed BSD in another partition. Call this installation B. I wanted to custom build the kernel in B and hence created the config file needed for the custom build. I used sysinstall to copy the src from the 6.1 CD. When I marked Base inside sysinstall to be copied, it gave me an error: Write failure on transfer! (wrote -1 bytes of 1425408 bytes). I know this is not a problem with the CD because I was able to copy the base and src in another machine that I have. Src however got copied in B. I couldnt do a make buildworld because it gave me an error saying that it didnt know what buildworld was. I knew i needed the base files to get it to work. A friend of mine had helped me custom build the kernel in installation A. So I mounted the partition and copied the files in /usr/src (only files, excluded /usr/src/sys) from installation A to installation B. Then when I did a make buildworld it gave me an error that it was unable to cd into a directory by thename /somepath/usr.bin. I dont remember what somepath was. I couldn't note it down. Then I mounted the 6.1 CD and went into the 6.1Release folder and into the base directory and ran ./install.sh. It asked me if I wanted to copy files to / and i said yes. I attempted make buildworld again and it did not work. When this did not work, I decided to restart the machine and try again. However, after restarting, the login prompt does not accept my user id and password. And when i type "root" for user, it logs me in without asking for a password. I am clueless whats happening here. Please help. Thanks, Vishy p.s: i used make buildworld KERNCONF=CUSTOM. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 14:50:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6D116A492 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:50:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from mxout3.cac.washington.edu (mxout3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA2A43D45 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:50:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.33.9]) by mxout3.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.03) with ESMTP id k8GEoRi0014941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:50:27 -0700 X-Auth-Received: from [192.168.11.5] (208.131.210.220.dy.bbexcite.jp [220.210.131.208]) (authenticated authid=youshi10) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.03) with ESMTP id k8GEoOIX023945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:50:26 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <54DA4AB7-ACD4-4C04-95FD-CB1A21692AE9@u.washington.edu> References: <54DA4AB7-ACD4-4C04-95FD-CB1A21692AE9@u.washington.edu> X-Gpgmail-State: !signed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0B046E68-80D8-4A75-9D4F-354122F7B75F@u.washington.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Garrett Cooper Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:50:22 +0900 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.266434, Antispam-Engine: 2.4.0.264935, Antispam-Data: 2006.9.16.55443 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' Subject: Re: PAY offered - sshd won't allow client from same domain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:50:29 -0000 On Sep 16, 2006, at 10:51 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: > On Sep 16, 2006, at 6:05 PM, ke han wrote: > >> >> On Sep 16, 2006, at 4:50 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: >> >>> ssh -vv server1.domain.com >> >> form OS X: (real domain name edited to domain.com) >> >> > ssh -vv server1.domain.com >> OpenSSH_4.2p1, OpenSSL 0.9.7i 14 Oct 2005 >> debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh_config >> debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 >> debug1: Connecting to server1.domain.com [209.216.230.199] port 22. >> debug1: Connection established. >> debug1: identity file /Users/jhancock/.ssh/identity type -1 >> debug1: identity file /Users/jhancock/.ssh/id_rsa type -1 >> debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type '-----BEGIN' >> debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type 'Proc-Type:' >> debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type 'DEK-Info:' >> debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type '-----END' >> debug1: identity file /Users/jhancock/.ssh/id_dsa type 2 >> debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version >> OpenSSH_4.2p1 FreeBSD-20050903 >> debug1: match: OpenSSH_4.2p1 FreeBSD-20050903 pat OpenSSH* >> debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0 >> debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.2 >> debug2: fd 3 setting O_NONBLOCK >> debug1: Miscellaneous failure >> No credentials cache found >> >> debug1: Miscellaneous failure >> No credentials cache found >> >> debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent >> debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received >> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: diffie-hellman-group-exchange- >> sha1,diffie-hellman-group14-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 >> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: ssh-rsa,ssh-dss >> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish- >> cbc,cast128-cbc,arcfour128,arcfour256,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256- >> cbc,rijndael-cbc@lysator.liu.se,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr >> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish- >> cbc,cast128-cbc,arcfour128,arcfour256,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256- >> cbc,rijndael-cbc@lysator.liu.se,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr >> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac- >> ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96 >> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac- >> ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96 >> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib@openssh.com,zlib >> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib@openssh.com,zlib >> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: >> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: >> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: first_kex_follows 0 >> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: reserved 0 >> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: diffie-hellman-group-exchange- >> sha1,diffie-hellman-group14-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 >> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: ssh-dss >> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish- >> cbc,cast128-cbc,arcfour128,arcfour256,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256- >> cbc,rijndael-cbc@lysator.liu.se,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr >> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish- >> cbc,cast128-cbc,arcfour128,arcfour256,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256- >> cbc,rijndael-cbc@lysator.liu.se,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr >> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac- >> ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96 >> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac- >> ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96 >> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib@openssh.com >> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib@openssh.com >> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: >> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: >> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: first_kex_follows 0 >> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: reserved 0 >> debug2: mac_init: found hmac-md5 >> debug1: kex: server->client aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none >> debug2: mac_init: found hmac-md5 >> debug1: kex: client->server aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none >> debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REQUEST(1024<1024<8192) sent >> debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_GROUP >> debug2: dh_gen_key: priv key bits set: 132/256 >> debug2: bits set: 523/1024 >> debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_INIT sent >> debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REPLY >> debug1: Host 'server1.domain.com' is known and matches the DSA >> host key. >> debug1: Found key in /Users/jhancock/.ssh/known_hosts:2 >> debug2: bits set: 527/1024 >> debug1: ssh_dss_verify: signature correct >> debug2: kex_derive_keys >> debug2: set_newkeys: mode 1 >> debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent >> debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS >> debug2: set_newkeys: mode 0 >> debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received >> debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST sent >> Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer > > Your problem appears to be in how your user is being authenticated > and not your DNS setup, I think. Example: > > shiina:~ gcooper$ uname -a > Darwin shiina.local 8.7.0 Darwin Kernel Version 8.7.0: Fri May 26 > 15:20:53 PDT 2006; root:xnu-792.6.76.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC Power > Macintosh powerpc > shiina:~ gcooper$ ssh -vv tebo.cs.washington.edu > OpenSSH_4.2p1, OpenSSL 0.9.7i 14 Oct 2005 > debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh_config > debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 > debug1: Connecting to tebo.cs.washington.edu [128.208.6.74] port 22. > debug1: Connection established. > debug1: identity file /Users/gcooper/.ssh/identity type -1 > debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type '-----BEGIN' > debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type 'Proc-Type:' > debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type 'DEK-Info:' > debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type '-----END' > debug1: identity file /Users/gcooper/.ssh/id_rsa type 1 > debug1: identity file /Users/gcooper/.ssh/id_dsa type -1 > debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version > OpenSSH_4.3 > debug1: match: OpenSSH_4.3 pat OpenSSH* > debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0 > debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.2 > debug2: fd 3 setting O_NONBLOCK > debug1: Miscellaneous failure > No credentials cache found > > debug1: Miscellaneous failure > No credentials cache found > > debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent > debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: diffie-hellman-group-exchange- > sha1,diffie-hellman-group14-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: ssh-rsa,ssh-dss > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128- > cbc,arcfour128,arcfour256,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,rijndael- > cbc@lysator.liu.se,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128- > cbc,arcfour128,arcfour256,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,rijndael- > cbc@lysator.liu.se,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac- > ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96 > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac- > ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96 > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib@openssh.com,zlib > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib@openssh.com,zlib > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: first_kex_follows 0 > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: reserved 0 > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: diffie-hellman-group-exchange- > sha1,diffie-hellman-group14-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: ssh-rsa,ssh-dss > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128- > cbc,arcfour128,arcfour256,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,rijndael- > cbc@lysator.liu.se,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128- > cbc,arcfour128,arcfour256,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,rijndael- > cbc@lysator.liu.se,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac- > ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96 > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac- > ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96 > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib@openssh.com > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib@openssh.com > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: first_kex_follows 0 > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: reserved 0 > debug2: mac_init: found hmac-md5 > debug1: kex: server->client aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none > debug2: mac_init: found hmac-md5 > debug1: kex: client->server aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none > debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REQUEST(1024<1024<8192) sent > debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_GROUP > debug2: dh_gen_key: priv key bits set: 125/256 > debug2: bits set: 512/1024 > debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_INIT sent > debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REPLY > debug1: Host 'tebo.cs.washington.edu' is known and matches the RSA > host key. > debug1: Found key in /Users/gcooper/.ssh/known_hosts:43 > debug2: bits set: 504/1024 > debug1: ssh_rsa_verify: signature correct > debug2: kex_derive_keys > debug2: set_newkeys: mode 1 > debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent > debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS > debug2: set_newkeys: mode 0 > debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received > debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST sent > debug2: service_accept: ssh-userauth > > The only thing I can tell that's different is that I'm trying to > connect to a Linux host with an RSA host key, where you're trying > to connect to a FreeBSD host with a DSA key. Have you tried > deleting or renaming your DSA/RSA public key and then try > connecting to the FreeBSD host again? > -Garrett Could you please post your sshd_config? Also, from man sshd_config: UseDNS Specifies whether sshd should lookup the remote host name and check that the resolved host name for the remote IP address maps back to the very same IP address. The default is ``yes''. So this is just an additional layer to see whether middleman attacks are occurring while authenticating, perhaps? UseDNS yes proved to not work for me, but it should for you if you have DNS setup properly. -Garrett From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 15:03:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C570416A407 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:03:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fysical@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BAFA43D73 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:03:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fysical@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so4221115pye for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:03:11 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type; b=XshuP0rBUJUboRj90WTPMjNyGjcSChdfJLpPpPh6xzyONw3QPUxRRSlheEMmu3tveT59Iud5BQVVEFebEIohlqzuKn2OLLlLsdSEOEl4JSnOvhR7uvI+OoTUUs92oabAWDzG6/I9bFuvVM6klGcnM7e3Cbxbfax5DD89Q+Uos84= Received: by 10.65.219.14 with SMTP id w14mr10325427qbq; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.124.13 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73d604760609160803y5617c3b1i5a72ee48413b3843@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:33:11 +0530 From: "Viswas Nair" To: "Norberto Meijome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Users Questions , RW Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash works for sure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:03:20 -0000 I use linux-opera and I have managed to get flash working like a charm. Just go to any website using flash and opera will ask you to download the plugin and automatically take you to the linux page of the flash plugin in the adobe website. Then download the flash plugin tar.gz and save it to some location. Extract the contents and copy the libflashplayer.so file to /usr/X11R6/share/linux-opera/plugins. Close opera and open again and enjoy the world of flash From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 15:37:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B118316A4A7 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:37:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ajm91qw@sbcglobal.net) Received: from smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 10F9843DBF for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:37:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ajm91qw@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 32583 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2006 15:37:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent; b=Bzse3Z1JlbGymq+YbSf3ak/RoyNgsvOy3aRMkQUycXPSfgKwSObR5jth7yJpxRti4CO0TKsgRK27WC/0oatGELDFr67aH4UHgr/RiKBj9DLyn4+8MtmgzxY2juVaSQ336w7CpApaHS8JeFqkhUgNIqv7Q4NWap2XfI17ZDYBtRc= ; Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (ajm91qw@sbcglobal.net@70.254.69.125 with plain) by smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2006 15:37:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:38:40 -0500 From: ajm To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060916153840.GC14164@powerfull.bsd> References: <73d604760609160803y5617c3b1i5a72ee48413b3843@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <73d604760609160803y5617c3b1i5a72ee48413b3843@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash works for sure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:37:56 -0000 On Sat, Sep 16, 2006 at 08:33:11PM +0530, Viswas Nair wrote: > I use linux-opera and I have managed to get flash working like a charm. Just > go to any website using flash and opera will ask you to download the plugin > and automatically take you to the linux page of the flash plugin in the > adobe website. Then download the flash plugin tar.gz and save it to some > location. Extract the contents and copy the libflashplayer.so file to > /usr/X11R6/share/linux-opera/plugins. Close opera and open again and enjoy > the world of flash I also use linux-opera...but there some site that are running flash 8 that won't work with the most current adobe flash version 7. -- FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE i386 GENERIC From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 16:03:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6ECC16A403 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:03:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C37743D49 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:03:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so3432839wxd for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:03:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.30.5 with SMTP id d5mr16666256wxd; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:03:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net ( [67.189.184.224]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id h18sm2702597wxd.2006.09.16.09.03.02; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:03:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF837BFE5 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAAC9BFDA for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by scorpio.seibercom.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k8GG2vDI010791 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:02:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) From: Gerard Seibert Organization: Seibercom.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:02:54 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <73d604760609160803y5617c3b1i5a72ee48413b3843@mail.gmail.com> <20060916153840.GC14164@powerfull.bsd> In-Reply-To: <20060916153840.GC14164@powerfull.bsd> X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(=?utf-8?q?gxJxxc=0A=09RnSNPNr*/=5E=7EStawWU9KDJ-CT0k=24f=23?=@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609161202.56301.gerard@seibercom.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash works for sure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: gerard@seibercom.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:03:04 -0000 On Saturday 16 September 2006 11:38, ajm wrote: > I also use linux-opera...but there some site that are running flash 8 > that won't work with the most current adobe flash version 7. A somewhat similar problem is starting to crop up with mplayer and the latest version of WMV codecs. I seems that a few sites are using the new code and mplayer is unable to interpret it correctly. I was just on the mplayer forum where it was being discussed along with the URLs of some of those sites. It is my belief though that mplayer will get the necessary changes make to remedy this problem faster than a fully functioning and current version of flash for FBSD is available. -- Gerard QUARK: The sound made by a well bred duck. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 16:38:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28A0016A403 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:38:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bill@wiliweld.com) Received: from typhoon.he.net (typhoon.he.net [64.62.229.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E761243D45 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:38:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bill@wiliweld.com) Received: from liam ([71.141.72.46]) by typhoon.he.net for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:38:24 -0700 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:38:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill-Schoolcraft X-X-Sender: bill@liam To: Viswas Nair In-Reply-To: <73d604760609160803y5617c3b1i5a72ee48413b3843@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <73d604760609160803y5617c3b1i5a72ee48413b3843@mail.gmail.com> System-ID: [en] (SuSE-9.3 64-bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: RW , Norberto Meijome , FreeBSD Users Questions Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash works for sure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:38:26 -0000 At Sat, 16 Sep 2006 it looks like Viswas Nair composed: > I use linux-opera and I have managed to get flash working like a charm. Just > go to any website using flash and opera will ask you to download the plugin > and automatically take you to the linux page of the flash plugin in the > adobe website. Then download the flash plugin tar.gz and save it to some > location. Extract the contents and copy the libflashplayer.so file to > /usr/X11R6/share/linux-opera/plugins. Close opera and open again and enjoy > the world of flash > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Hello Family, I'm running 6.1, installed "linux-opera" from ports in order to test the above, and the ports install seemed to go fine but I got this error when trying to start Opera, anyone seen this before? ########################################## [wiliweld@lifebook ~]$ /usr/X11R6/share/linux-opera/bin/opera opera: Preference initialization failure. File not found or could not be opened (-7) ########################################## TIA -- Bill Schoolcraft <<<<*>>>> http://wiliweld.com <*> " If you turn your headlights on while going the speed of light, does anything happen? " From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 16:43:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB02316A40F for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:43:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from mail.stovebolt.com (mail.stovebolt.com [66.221.101.248]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 043D643DC2 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:43:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from [192.168.2.102] (unknown [66.142.189.190]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.stovebolt.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E56114333 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:36:16 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:43:09 -0500 From: pauls@utdallas.edu To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <384751DE981BDD9D6A105DA9@paul-schmehls-powerbook59.local> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.5 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; boundary="==========81A61E61C020E7D70C38==========" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Broadcomm NetXtreme BCM5708 NICs and 6.1 RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:43:45 -0000 --==========81A61E61C020E7D70C38========== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I'm posting this for documentary purposes in case someone has this problem = and wants to find the answer. Under the 6.1 RELEASE, with all sources cvsup'd to current, both world and = kernel rebuilt, the Broadcommm NetExtreme 5708 NICs will fall over under=20 very light load when using a remote connection. (Console outbound=20 connections work fine.) For example, trying to build apache22 from ports causes the NICs to fail,=20 and only a reboot will fix the problem. The console error message is=20 "Error mapping mbuf into TX chain!" Not good for servers. :-) The solution is to update the if_bce.c source to version 0.9.6 from the=20 current 0.9.5, then rebuild world and kernel. Here's a webpage that has a brief explanation and a link to the updated=20 source file: Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ --==========81A61E61C020E7D70C38==========-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 17:46:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A65A616A412 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:46:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F0743D4C for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:46:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com) Received: from frontend3.internal (frontend3.internal [10.202.2.152]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B7CDA7610 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat1.internal ([10.202.2.160]) by frontend3.internal (MEProxy); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:46:31 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: o71NRkW3W2zOi5gHhxKKRYmkdv0RDAYVAcsLxYMHe8VY 1158428790 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD87113162 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:46:29 -0400 (EDT) From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:45:56 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 References: <73d604760609160803y5617c3b1i5a72ee48413b3843@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <73d604760609160803y5617c3b1i5a72ee48413b3843@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-6" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609161846.21782.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash works for sure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:46:31 -0000 On Saturday 16 September 2006 16:03, Viswas Nair wrote: > I use linux-opera and I have managed to get flash working like a charm. For the third time, it has multiple critical vulnerabilities. If you use it your computer may "work like a charm" for someone else. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 17:56:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDD9E16A403 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:56:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trashbird1240@yahoo.com) Received: from web50413.mail.yahoo.com (web50413.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.156]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4A34043D60 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:56:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trashbird1240@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 9475 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Sep 2006 17:56:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pUQqGrAguXrbhmqkuxaZymuuf4TYg//9oCBhwSUVsPyDuRzlAfzU3WlnyVwTy7WyzjesYJwC0C4BD31dB80soSjq3c9oDTGJmYCJ4H3T8spoM/tCnJeBQ3USQcdqkJWrSinuflbCbyircjh2RuLDOGZu5IBWPFIwt5XecJIVEUA= ; Message-ID: <20060916175641.9473.qmail@web50413.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.192.88.47] by web50413.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:56:41 PDT Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:56:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Adamson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Video Device problems in new install by Newbie -- FreeBSD 6.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:56:44 -0000 Hello List, I took the plunge last night and installed FreeBSD6.1-STABLE. I found the experience rather exciting and I'm happy with the results, excep for one major challenge to overcome: no video support. I'm trying to set up X and it's failing. Prerequisites: FreeBSD6.1-STABLE (from the i386 CD iso's from freebsd.org) Dell Dimension 5100C Desktop WD SATA HD Intel 82945G Express Chipset Family on IRQ 16 My friend the computer professional tells me the video and a bunch of other devices are integrated into the motherboard to save space (the system unit is smaller than the printer, if that tells you anything). when I do: root-prompt>Xorg -configure I get a quick list of all video devices and "No Device Present" The Xorg-configure-log is just a more verbose statement of the same list At boot, I get the following messages: ... acpi0: on motherboard ... pci0: at device 2.1 (no driver attached) pci0: at device 27.0 (no driver attached) ... the boot process then proceeds to recognize all my other devices and I get to my login prompt. I've tried booting with ACPI disabled (I'll admit I'm ignorant as to what that would do) and the boot process hangs up before grabbing my keyboard. The Handbook mentions "when the visual kernel configuration option comes up choose it." Where and when does that happen? Is that still around in FreeBSD6.1? I've tried boot menu option 6 (the loader prompt) and I'll admit that totally confuses me. Supposing I have the driver, how do I "attach" it to resolve the "no driver attached" problem? Is that really the root of the problem? I know the VESA drivers are there... I'll add that Freesbie 1.1 and many Linux livecds boot just fine into X on this machine. I even got an Xf86config file from Freesbie with the monitor settings it uses. I'm writing this from a PCLinuxOS Livecd. Right now I've got a console, "and that's cool" in the words of Jeffrey Lebowski; however, for my wife to use this thing, and for me to use most of what I wanted (a desktop system), running X is essential ;) I appreciate any help. Thanks! I already love FreeBSD! Joel Joel J. Adamson Arlington, MA --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 18:27:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28BB216A403 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:27:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from artdesign@mail.ru) Received: from mx27.mail.ru (mx27.mail.ru [194.67.23.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B564443D45 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:27:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from artdesign@mail.ru) Received: from [83.171.86.20] (port=7676 helo=crea7or) by mx27.mail.ru with smtp id 1GOesu-0002ld-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:27:24 +0400 Message-ID: <004b01c6d9bd$c1402290$7b8dfea9@crea7or> From: "Pavel Sokolov" To: Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:27:19 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Subject: sshd won't updates ( libsm.so.1 ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:27:26 -0000 I have RELENG_6 ( just updated and installed kernel , 6_2 prerelease ) and by mistake ( or my stupid hands ) make : cd /usr/src/secure make install now sshd does not work. it tells: /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libbsm.so.1" not found, required by "sshd" I tried to build the system again but the result is same. I did make cleandir ( twice ) in /usr/src and tried this solution: # cd /usr/src/secure/lib/libssh # make obj && make depend && make && make install # cd /usr/src/secure/usr.sbin/sshd # make obj && make depend && make && make install but build fails at: /usr/src/secure/usr.sbin/sshd/../../../crypto/openssh/audit-bsm.c:50:31: bsm/audit_uevents.h: No such file or directory /usr/src/secure/usr.sbin/sshd/../../../crypto/openssh/audit-bsm.c:51:30: bsm/audit_record.h: No such file or directory mkdep: compile failed *** Error code 1 But make buildworld did the job without error ( at the end of compilation ) If I trying to copy libbsm.so/a/1 to the /usr/lib - sshd launches, but does not allow to login. -- Pavel Sokolov From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 18:46:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA4116A403 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:46:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kwall@kurtwerks.com) Received: from spooner.celestial.com (johngalt.celestial.com [192.136.111.59]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1374B43D53 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:45:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kwall@kurtwerks.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spooner.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B6B316E74D for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:45:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at spooner.celestial.com Received: from spooner.celestial.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (spooner.celestial.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id w7O4M4llIG62 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from advent.local.domain (c-67-165-68-161.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [67.165.68.161]) by spooner.celestial.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 23ABE316E693 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by advent.local.domain (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:46:01 -0400 From: "Kurt Wall" Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:46:00 -0400 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060916184600.GA1365@advent.local.domain> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <73d604760609160803y5617c3b1i5a72ee48413b3843@mail.gmail.com> <200609161846.21782.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200609161846.21782.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Subject: Re: Firefox+Flash works for sure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:46:00 -0000 On Sat, Sep 16, 2006 at 06:45:56PM +0100, RW wrote: > On Saturday 16 September 2006 16:03, Viswas Nair wrote: > > I use linux-opera and I have managed to get flash working like a charm. > > For the third time, it has multiple critical vulnerabilities. If you use it > your computer may "work like a charm" for someone else. I heard you the first time. Adobe have released a patched version (7.0.68) that addresses these vulnerabilities. The Freshmeat notice went out yesterday, so I'm sure it is just a matter of time before the maintainer revs the FreeBSD port. Kurt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 18:47:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582E516A415 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:47:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pobox@verysmall.org) Received: from thing.verysmall.org (thing.verysmall.org [212.100.226.116]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 398AE43D8A for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:47:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pobox@verysmall.org) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (chello084114134105.3.15.vie.surfer.at [84.114.134.105]) by thing.verysmall.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF1062286D for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:46:02 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <450C46A8.3080908@verysmall.org> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:47:04 +0200 From: "pobox@verysmall.org" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: rebooting into single user mode on a remote server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:47:22 -0000 Hello, could somebody help me to understand the best way to enter into a single user mode on a remote server. I need it for the moment, during rebuilding world, when I have to reboot into single user mode before 'mergemaster -p'. The only solution I found so far is to do 'shutdown -r now' and when the server boots to login with ssh and do 'shutdown now' - which should drop it to single user mode. I can ask the support at the hosting location to reboot in single user mode, but I do not know if I will have ssh then? Alternatively I can ask them to do the last few steps. Thank you for your advises, Iv. -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 19:42:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE1216A403 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:42:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@tania.servebbs.org) Received: from mail3.panix.com (mail3.panix.com [166.84.1.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2400943D46 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:42:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob@tania.servebbs.org) Received: from mailspool3.panix.com (mailspool3.panix.com [166.84.1.78]) by mail3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87B813A84C for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tania.servebbs.org (pool-71-247-66-166.nycmny.east.verizon.net [71.247.66.166]) by mailspool3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C1FDB66943 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:42:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob Organization: TamaraB To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:41:37 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609161541.38002.bob@tania.servebbs.org> Subject: When is BuildWorld necessary? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:42:15 -0000 Hi: I recently installed FreeBSD 6.1 over the net from sources. I am keeping=20 things up-to-date using CVSup.=20 When portaudit tells me I have a security issue; I update/re-install the=20 affected port. When a kernel patch comes in, I re-compile the kernel; which= =20 now stands at FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p6 #3. =46rom what I can tell, buildworld re-builds the base system, something I h= ave=20 yet to do. My thought is to do a buildworld only when the OS version is=20 updated to the next number above 6.1. I understand this happens at about 4= =20 month intervals. My question is, is there a good reason to buildworld before a version chang= e?=20 I hate "fixing" something which is working perfectly, and this system has= =20 been stellar! =20 Bob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 19:52:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00EF16A403 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:52:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pobox@verysmall.org) Received: from thing.verysmall.org (thing.verysmall.org [212.100.226.116]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7886043D45 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:52:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pobox@verysmall.org) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (chello084114134105.3.15.vie.surfer.at [84.114.134.105]) by thing.verysmall.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 638252288E; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:51:25 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <450C55FA.5070701@verysmall.org> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:52:26 +0200 From: "pobox@verysmall.org" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob References: <200609161541.38002.bob@tania.servebbs.org> In-Reply-To: <200609161541.38002.bob@tania.servebbs.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: When is BuildWorld necessary? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:52:32 -0000 Bob wrote: > Hi: > > I recently installed FreeBSD 6.1 over the net from sources. I am keeping > things up-to-date using CVSup. > > When portaudit tells me I have a security issue; I update/re-install the > affected port. When a kernel patch comes in, I re-compile the kernel; which > now stands at FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p6 #3. > > From what I can tell, buildworld re-builds the base system, something I have > yet to do. My thought is to do a buildworld only when the OS version is > updated to the next number above 6.1. I understand this happens at about 4 > month intervals. > > My question is, is there a good reason to buildworld before a version change? > I hate "fixing" something which is working perfectly, and this system has > been stellar! > > Bob Hi Bob, I believe it is basically good to get the 'p' patches as they contain security fixes. My thinking is that if 'p' patch comes out - your system is, in some sense, not perfect anymore :) But I have one question - do you rebuild the world on a remote machine (without physical access) and if yes - how do you restart in single user mode. This is what I can't understand so far. Thanks, Iv -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 20:03:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE3516A40F for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:03:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jin@george.lbl.gov) Received: from smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.211]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9ABBE43D4C for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:03:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jin@george.lbl.gov) Received: (qmail 95739 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2006 20:03:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.10?) (jinmtb@sbcglobal.net@68.127.178.237 with plain) by smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2006 20:03:29 -0000 Message-ID: <450C58F7.80004@george.lbl.gov> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:05:11 -0700 From: "Jin Guojun [VFFS]" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20060317 X-Accept-Language: en, zh, zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: how to make fixed Direct Access device (da) ID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:03:31 -0000 It is awkward that dynamically and/or statically attaching SCSI hard drive and USB hard drive to the system will have different da IDs. For example, boot system with a SCSI drive (SCSI = 1), will have a da0 for this SCSI drive. Then plugging in a USB hard drive, which will be configured as da1. If boot system with both drives online, system will boot from SCSI drive fine till mounting root point. It fails because USB drive has da0 and SCSI drive has da1. Is there anyway to configure the system to have fixed da ID for SCSI drive or even for USB drive regardless if they are dynamically/statically attached to the system? -Jin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 20:14:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54F416A407 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:14:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D66ED43DA2 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:13:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com) Received: from frontend3.internal (frontend3.internal [10.202.2.152]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA5ABDA73E2 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat1.internal ([10.202.2.160]) by frontend3.internal (MEProxy); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:13:44 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: EghKFKCyV6wH7JLYLBn7sZMi3fodMBWtiwmO5rj/5g1K 1158437624 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A72A15215 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:13:44 -0400 (EDT) From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:13:39 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 References: <200609161541.38002.bob@tania.servebbs.org> In-Reply-To: <200609161541.38002.bob@tania.servebbs.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609162113.41283.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> Subject: Re: When is BuildWorld necessary? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:14:24 -0000 On Saturday 16 September 2006 20:41, Bob wrote: > Hi: > > I recently installed FreeBSD 6.1 over the net from sources. I am keeping > things up-to-date using CVSup. > > When portaudit tells me I have a security issue; I update/re-install the > affected port. When a kernel patch comes in, I re-compile the kernel; which > now stands at FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p6 #3. > > From what I can tell, buildworld re-builds the base system, something I > have yet to do. My thought is to do a buildworld only when the OS version > is updated to the next number above 6.1. I understand this happens at > about 4 month intervals. > > My question is, is there a good reason to buildworld before a version > change? I hate "fixing" something which is working perfectly, and this > system has been stellar! Not all of the point releases are for the kernel, for example 6.1-RELEASE-p2 was a sendmail fix. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 20:35:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09AFF16A415 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:35:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@tania.servebbs.org) Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.1.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C2F643D5D for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:35:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob@tania.servebbs.org) Received: from mailspool3.panix.com (mailspool3.panix.com [166.84.1.78]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B18299D846 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tania.servebbs.org (pool-71-247-66-166.nycmny.east.verizon.net [71.247.66.166]) by mailspool3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2268B66943 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:35:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob Organization: TamaraB To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:34:26 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200609161541.38002.bob@tania.servebbs.org> <200609162113.41283.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> In-Reply-To: <200609162113.41283.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609161634.27501.bob@tania.servebbs.org> Subject: Re: When is BuildWorld necessary? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:35:05 -0000 On Saturday 16 September 2006 16:13, RW wrote: > Not all of the point releases are for the kernel, for example > 6.1-RELEASE-p2 was a sendmail fix. > Ok I see; just because my kernel is at p6, doesn't mean the base system is. I wasn't on FreeBSD when p2 was released. Would that p2 have triggered a portaudit warning? Assuming of course that p2 was a security related sendmail patch. What I am getting at is if, my sendmail were acting up, I would look for an update, and patch sendmail only. If the patch were security related I would patch it anyway, but I can't see why I would want to rebuild the entire system for a sendmail upgrade, or a kernel stability patch, when the individual broken/insecure pieces can be fixed with much less hassel, time, and risk. Is my logic flawed? Bob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 20:40:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D172F16A416 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:40:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@tania.servebbs.org) Received: from mail1.panix.com (mail1.panix.com [166.84.1.72]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53FFC43D49 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:40:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob@tania.servebbs.org) Received: from mailspool3.panix.com (mailspool3.panix.com [166.84.1.78]) by mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B10D45882F for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tania.servebbs.org (pool-71-247-66-166.nycmny.east.verizon.net [71.247.66.166]) by mailspool3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D65B66940 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:40:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob Organization: TamaraB To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:39:47 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200609161541.38002.bob@tania.servebbs.org> <450C55FA.5070701@verysmall.org> In-Reply-To: <450C55FA.5070701@verysmall.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609161639.47705.bob@tania.servebbs.org> Subject: Re: When is BuildWorld necessary? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:40:22 -0000 On Saturday 16 September 2006 15:52, pobox@verysmall.org wrote: > > But I have one question - do you rebuild the world on a remote machine Sorry; I am a newbie at FreeBSD, and have never done a buildworld :-( I have spent lots of time on Linux, Solaris, and SCO, but this is my first cut at BSD. Just from past NIX experience though, I would never rebuild an entire OS remotely without having someone onsite to push the On/Off switch when the inevitable happens :-( Bob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 20:46:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 871BB16A47C for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:46:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@sage.thought.org) Received: from sage.thought.org (dsl231-043-140.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.43.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3AFB43D45 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:46:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kline@sage.thought.org) Received: from sage.thought.org (kline@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sage.thought.org (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k8GKkpun024064 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:46:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@sage.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by sage.thought.org (8.13.6/8.13.1/Submit) id k8GKkp2k024063 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:46:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:46:51 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20060916204650.GA23985@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: Observing twenty years of service to the Unix community User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: Subject: Is 6.1-RELEASE missing parts of X11? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:46:53 -0000 People, I've done at least two cmplete make buildworlds (and all the rest: kernel/installworld/) and parts of mergemaster. I *am* missing /usr/X11R6/bin/xdm and more files in /usr/X11R6/lib/[*]. startx is also missing. I have read the UPDATING and README in /usr/src; Am I missing some knob[s]? I have "gdm_enable=YES" in /etc/rc.conf just now and have the exec gnome line in ~/.xinitrc. [~/.xinitrc is 0755 and chown'd kline:wheel] and so on. I do see ctwm installed as a backup, but without at least xdm, I'm wedged. Anybody know what's going on? thanks in adance, gary PS:: When I scp'd xdm from 5.5, it did exec, but the xlogin widget was White and logging in as anyone failed. I was always thrown back to the default white xlogin screen. -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public service Unix From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 20:54:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B75616A415 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:54:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@tania.servebbs.org) Received: from mail1.panix.com (mail1.panix.com [166.84.1.72]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC1D43D5A for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:54:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob@tania.servebbs.org) Received: from mailspool3.panix.com (mailspool3.panix.com [166.84.1.78]) by mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCACA58A9D for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tania.servebbs.org (pool-71-247-66-166.nycmny.east.verizon.net [71.247.66.166]) by mailspool3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34BB5B66943 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:54:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob Organization: TamaraB To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:54:18 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200609161541.38002.bob@tania.servebbs.org> <450C55FA.5070701@verysmall.org> In-Reply-To: <450C55FA.5070701@verysmall.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609161654.18636.bob@tania.servebbs.org> Subject: Re: When is BuildWorld necessary? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:54:58 -0000 On Saturday 16 September 2006 15:52, pobox@verysmall.org wrote: > > But I have one question - do you rebuild the world on a remote machine > (without physical access) and if yes - how do you restart in single user > mode. This is what I can't understand so far. I remembered something right after I sent the last post. I have done this before, years ago. Not with bsd, but with Linux. I was working on a small server farm, and cross-connected serial ports from one server to another. Made the serial port the console, and then I could telnet to the adjacent server, tip to the other one, and have the system console. From there you could pretty safely do whatever you wanted to do, if the kernel were to fail to boot, you would be left at the loader prompt, where you could boot the box into a known good kernel. I can't see why you couldn't do something like that with FreeBsd. All you need is a serial port you can control remotely, like an adjacent server, or a router.... set it all up beforehand, and you should be good to go. Bob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 20:57:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D28F16A403 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:57:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (ns0.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.187.76.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BD3E43D5D for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:57:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id k8GKvGnV065002; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:57:17 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk from=m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk; sender-id=softfail; spf=softfail X-SenderID: Sendmail Sender-ID Filter v0.2.14 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk k8GKvGnV065002 Message-ID: <450C652C.7040700@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:57:16 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060915) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "pobox@verysmall.org" References: <450C46A8.3080908@verysmall.org> In-Reply-To: <450C46A8.3080908@verysmall.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig66FDF3409844AE8E228AE80E" X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:57:37 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.4/1887/Sat Sep 16 19:37:01 2006 on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_POLICY_TESTING, NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.1.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: rebooting into single user mode on a remote server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:57:44 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig66FDF3409844AE8E228AE80E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable pobox@verysmall.org wrote: > Hello, >=20 > could somebody help me to understand the best way to enter into a singl= e > user mode on a remote server. >=20 > I need it for the moment, during rebuilding world, when I have to reboo= t > into single user mode before 'mergemaster -p'. >=20 > The only solution I found so far is to do 'shutdown -r now' and when th= e > server boots to login with ssh and do 'shutdown now' - which should dro= p > it to single user mode. >=20 > I can ask the support at the hosting location to reboot in single user > mode, but I do not know if I will have ssh then? >=20 > Alternatively I can ask them to do the last few steps. Yep. You've become the latest person to realise this perennial problem. In order to follow the upgrade instructions in the Handbook or /usr/src/UPDATING to the letter, you need console access to the machine being updated. That is no problem when the machine is on your desk, or probably not if it's just down the hall. But when it's in a hosting centre umpty dozen miles away and you can't actually get to it? There are essentially three possibilities. i) You've thought of this approach already: get someone local to the mach= ine to do the bits requiring the console access. That works if the people at= the other site are competent and trustworthy, and you can afford to pay for their time. ii) The next solution, and on the whole, probably the best solution available, is to arrange to get remote console access. That can be expensive if you go down the route of buying a dedicated console server. = Or it can be very cheap indeed if you have another FreeBSD box close by the machine you're trying to update and you can string null modem cables between their serial ports. Then you configure your FreeBSD box requirin= g update to use ttya as its console and use tip(1) to get into it from the other machine. (Actually, you could probably make that approach work fro= m any other unixoid OS or even from Windows so long as you can find the rig= ht serial console emulation software). If you're really lucky, you're running flashy new hardware with IPMI or similar "lights out" management capability and can get into the machine through that. It doesn't work in= anything like the same way as a serial console, but the end result is just as good. iii) Finally, and not to be dismissed without due consideration, is the really quite simple approach of /not/ taking the machine down to single user mode. Most of the time, you can quite happily run 'make installworl= d' or 'make installkernel' or 'mergemaster' while the system is in multiuser= mode. You should shutdown all active services except what you need to get in remotely and you should kick any other users off the machine as we= ll as generally taking steps to ensure the machine is as quiescent as possib= le before trying that. You should also have a 'back to square one' plan for= dealing with the eventuality that the machine does not come back after attempting to reboot into the new kernel -- you really absolutely will require someone quite FreeBSD savvy to get onto the console to unfuck things if so, and that illustrates the big drawback to this approach: if it goes wrong, you are truly left up a gum tree without a paddle. =20 Don't try approach (iii) for an upgrade over too many version numbers at once. Jumping from, say 6.1-RELEASE to 6.1-RELEASE-p6 should be feasible,= as should jumping from 6.0-RELEASE to 6.1-RELEASE. Going from say 5.5-RELEASE to 6.1-RELEASE is only for the brave or the most highly skilled, and anything more than that is only for the foolhardy. Neither = is it a good idea to do method (iii) if you're making any major changes to t= he hardware on the system. Nor does approach (iii) mix at all well with the= use of raised secure levels. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig66FDF3409844AE8E228AE80E Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFDGUs8Mjk52CukIwRCN1LAKCKKcWqOABDFfxCqHsvYKDOkfYVFQCfbuv2 QKA3RoUv/242HRwYYBHgd54= =DQ9z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig66FDF3409844AE8E228AE80E-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 21:07:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5AC716A407 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:07:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adm@abcel-online.com) Received: from outbound-mail-42.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-42.bluehost.com [70.96.188.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 62C1743D5A for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:07:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from adm@abcel-online.com) Received: (qmail 27549 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2006 21:07:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box57.bluehost.com) (70.103.189.39) by mailproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2006 21:07:48 -0000 Received: from 0x555152c6.adsl.cybercity.dk ([85.81.82.198] helo=[10.0.0.2]) by box57.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOhO6-0004uG-TU for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:07:48 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8E2A3211-BE90-4F31-9CD5-F8F4B98E8619@abcel-online.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Dan Schultzer Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:07:45 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Identified-User: {:box57.bluehost.com:distribution+macspil.dk:} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 85.81.82.198 authed with distribution+macspil.dk} Subject: Plesk and FreeBSD 6.1 64-bit getting frustrating X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:07:53 -0000 Hello I've got FreeBSD 6.1 installed on a Sun Fire X2100 server, and are trying to get plesk installed. But plesk isn't supported for FreeBSD 6.1 64-bit version yet, so it has been hard work to try trick it. Now I want to trick the uname command to show the version needed for plesk installation. Any one having an easy and pretty safe way to do this? This is the last try before I trash FreeBSD as it's pretty important that this server come up and running soon, though I love FreeBSD :( Also, I'm not member at this list so please mail / cc me directly. Thanks. Regards, Dan Schultzer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 21:14:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 840A616A40F for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:14:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pietro.cerutti@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E490C43D77 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:14:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pietro.cerutti@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so281752uge for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:14:04 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=kewi56nig5tSHWmOHF4Q0xbqdzSHYqo73J/K6KP1NMEH4vzoejK3VHPhS20z416cjPgyeDwlExGKCPUhpmU2hlJ6WGQ+8zbmnCSmmFagnfX5mguCLklM5G+GM0WhkwRzsxFdq1pO/CaA8e/P/1r99VRN6rGNGYRKTPkEA0Ks7sQ= Received: by 10.67.97.18 with SMTP id z18mr6200324ugl; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:14:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.224.6 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:14:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:14:04 +0200 From: "Pietro Cerutti" To: "FreeBSD Questions" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: top(1) STATE column X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:14:06 -0000 Hi List, I'd like to know the meaning of the possible STATEs showing up in top. In the manual pages I found this: STATE is the current state (one of "START", "RUN" (shown as "CPUn" on SMP systems), "SLEEP", "STOP", "ZOMB", "WAIT", "LOCK" or the event on which the process waits) Where can I found info about other possible states (nanslp, kserel, ttyin, ucond, sbwait, ...) that I usually see in top? I think these have to do with the "the event on which the process waits" part of the man page... isn't there any complete list on those? Thanx, regards -- Pietro Cerutti ICQ: 117293691 PGP: 0x9571F78E - ASCII Ribbon Campaign - against HTML e-mail and proprietary attachments www.asciiribbon.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 21:18:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 328AF16A40F for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:18:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.187.76.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 416D943D70 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:18:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id k8GLHmtO065273; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:17:49 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk from=m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk; sender-id=softfail; spf=softfail X-SenderID: Sendmail Sender-ID Filter v0.2.14 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk k8GLHmtO065273 Message-ID: <450C69F6.8060000@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:17:42 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060915) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob References: <200609161541.38002.bob@tania.servebbs.org> In-Reply-To: <200609161541.38002.bob@tania.servebbs.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigF92388574D0E38F933E5FBE3" X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:18:09 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.4/1887/Sat Sep 16 19:37:01 2006 on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_POLICY_TESTING, NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.1.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: When is BuildWorld necessary? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:18:20 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigF92388574D0E38F933E5FBE3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bob wrote: > Hi: >=20 > I recently installed FreeBSD 6.1 over the net from sources. I am keepi= ng=20 > things up-to-date using CVSup.=20 >=20 > When portaudit tells me I have a security issue; I update/re-install th= e=20 > affected port. When a kernel patch comes in, I re-compile the kernel; w= hich=20 > now stands at FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p6 #3. >=20 > From what I can tell, buildworld re-builds the base system, something I= have=20 > yet to do. My thought is to do a buildworld only when the OS version i= s=20 > updated to the next number above 6.1. I understand this happens at abo= ut 4=20 > month intervals. >=20 > My question is, is there a good reason to buildworld before a version c= hange?=20 > I hate "fixing" something which is working perfectly, and this system = has=20 > been stellar! You can't assume that any patch release on a security branch is solely going to be to fix things in the kernel. More often than not, the=20 upgrade is to fix things in the userland. That means you have to recompile and re-install the affected software. Gennerally security advisories will tell you how to patch and update the specifically affected stuff. On the whole though, it always works to apply a full buildworld cycle as described in /usr/ports/UPDATING, and for certain security problems it's the only way to be sure the base system is rendered invulnerable[*]. Also it means the system version number gets bumped making it easy to identify what machines have been patched weeks or months down the line. If you haven't been rebuilding and re-installing world along with kernel as part of the update cycle, then there is a distinct possibility that you are still exposed eg. to the sendmail vulnerabilities from SA-06:17 o= r the ypserv problems from SA-06:15 or to various others. You will find that running the full buildworld procedure is a pretty smooth operation and if applied with due care and attention it is not at all difficult to get the system successfully updated nor is it hard to avoid foot-shooting while doing so. Cheers, Matthew [*] Where there is significant change of a vulnerability from the base system affecting 3rd party software from the ports or wherever, that should be discussed in the security advisories that come out, as well as what measures are necessary to provide a fix. --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigF92388574D0E38F933E5FBE3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFDGn88Mjk52CukIwRCDrCAJ9b4ek6V7haTuPpZcjTK8wm4RUIgQCfTCOI lKx1eWgVQYhPMUXuUzqlV2U= =LSWn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigF92388574D0E38F933E5FBE3-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 21:30:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A4016A403 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:30:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rambiusparkisanius@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 680A743D5C for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:30:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rambiusparkisanius@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so4327279pye for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:30:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=QZvuQ87OKkanVegAj+sBDctuckTMl/s3wpEc/OdcuXqAAco4okwIbXH6Ca4I8l9U741z+WZ0lLX/EAav4hMlpqsYsoJEn6jssqwVC2oXUy7LN4a6gkNhFhKd+xxbz3+SR18OFpsP7tPja97WVfWhHdBz5QoWkAIJyt47nheAtCU= Received: by 10.65.81.19 with SMTP id i19mr10912991qbl; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:30:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.114.6 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <89ce7f740609161430w9a525ebq3f88870141683b92@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:30:37 +0300 From: "Ivan \"Rambius\" Ivanov" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Calling setxkbmap when starting X X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:30:40 -0000 Hello, I am from Bulgaria and I use Bulgarian language on my FreeBSD machine. I use the following command $ setxkbmap -model pc105 -layout "us,bg" -variant ",phonetic" -option "grp:alt_shift_toggle" to enable both Bulgarian and English. However, I call this command every time I log in KDE. Is it possible to invoke it automatically when X is started? Thank you in advance for your answers. Regards Ivan -- Tangra Mega Rock: http://www.radiotangra.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 21:36:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E98A16A4D1 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:36:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.187.76.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4BDA43E3C for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:36:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id k8GLZnUK065484; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:35:49 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk from=m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk; sender-id=softfail; spf=softfail X-SenderID: Sendmail Sender-ID Filter v0.2.14 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk k8GLZnUK065484 Message-ID: <450C6E2E.8090909@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:35:42 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060915) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Kline References: <20060916204650.GA23985@thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20060916204650.GA23985@thought.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig5F6A406826FB3BF4152FBE4A" X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:36:09 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.4/1887/Sat Sep 16 19:37:01 2006 on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_POLICY_TESTING, NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.1.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Is 6.1-RELEASE missing parts of X11? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:36:49 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig5F6A406826FB3BF4152FBE4A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gary Kline wrote: > People, >=20 > I've done at least two cmplete make buildworlds (and all the > rest: kernel/installworld/) and parts of mergemaster. I *am* > missing /usr/X11R6/bin/xdm and more files in /usr/X11R6/lib/[*]. > startx is also missing. >=20 > I have read the UPDATING and README in /usr/src; Am I missing > some knob[s]? I have "gdm_enable=3DYES" in /etc/rc.conf just > now and have the exec gnome line in ~/.xinitrc. [~/.xinitrc=20 > is 0755 and chown'd kline:wheel] and so on. >=20 > I do see ctwm installed as a backup, but without at least=20 > xdm, I'm wedged. Anybody know what's going on? >=20 > thanks in adance, >=20 > gary >=20 > PS:: When I scp'd xdm from 5.5, it did exec, but the xlogin > widget was White and logging in as anyone failed. I=20 > was always thrown back to the default white xlogin screen. I think the howls of protest would have been audible from the moons of Jupiter had 6.1-RELEASE shipped without a complete set of workable X windows ports / packages. No, you are definitely experiencing a problem with your own machine and not with the FreeBSD release. However important such software may be, it is not actually a part of the base system. portupgrade(1) is your friend in this case, not 'make buildworld'. If you are updating from 5.x to 6.x then you should be sure to reinstall all your ports / packages. A command line of the form: portupgrade -Niaf will get that job done. There are various alternative options you might want to consider employing, such as telling portupgrade to use packages rather than re-compiling everything from source: the man page for portupgrade will elucidate. You need to do this not because 5.x programs won't work on a 6.x system (they manifestly will run if the compat5x shlibs are installed) but because any future software update runs the risk of different parts of the same program being linked against= different versions of a shared library and consequently failing to work. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig5F6A406826FB3BF4152FBE4A Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFDG408Mjk52CukIwRCMCBAJ4tbnCaUiAolELvTjq8V0J0aR6vygCfV9VK JLGwW/GlDBoX/9WRDChymAg= =/Hxt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig5F6A406826FB3BF4152FBE4A-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 21:45:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7C2816A47B for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:45:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 775C243D53 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:45:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com) Received: from frontend3.internal (frontend3.internal [10.202.2.152]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BE68DA6D28 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat1.internal ([10.202.2.160]) by frontend3.internal (MEProxy); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:45:50 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: 2gHBvLCdAI37GCAKVz57qUp/uQmxqCG/okFPHILeGKNn 1158443150 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A17E127D6 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:45:49 -0400 (EDT) From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:45:44 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 References: <200609161541.38002.bob@tania.servebbs.org> <200609162113.41283.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> <200609161634.27501.bob@tania.servebbs.org> In-Reply-To: <200609161634.27501.bob@tania.servebbs.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609162245.46615.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> Subject: Re: When is BuildWorld necessary? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:45:50 -0000 On Saturday 16 September 2006 21:34, Bob wrote: > On Saturday 16 September 2006 16:13, RW wrote: > > Not all of the point releases are for the kernel, for example > > 6.1-RELEASE-p2 was a sendmail fix. > > Ok I see; just because my kernel is at p6, doesn't mean the base system is. > > I wasn't on FreeBSD when p2 was released. Would that p2 have triggered a > portaudit warning? Assuming of course that p2 was a security related > sendmail patch. > > What I am getting at is if, my sendmail were acting up, I would look for an > update, and patch sendmail only. If the patch were security related I would > patch it anyway, but I can't see why I would want to rebuild the entire > system for a sendmail upgrade, or a kernel stability patch, when the > individual broken/insecure pieces can be fixed with much less hassel, time, > and risk. In FreeBSD the most conservative approach is to rebuild both world and kernel, they are more of a "matched pair" than in Linux. Since I don't bother to drop into single-user mode, or do the extra reboot for point releases, I just run a single script that does the whole thing (including cvsup), then reboot at my convenience. Having said that, I know some people that run STABLE will just rebuild individual parts of world. IMHO this is a lot more hassle than typing the name of a script, and letting the hardware take the strain. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 22:03:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E16C416A407 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:03:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@sage.thought.org) Received: from sage.thought.org (dsl231-043-140.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.43.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4A2543D53 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:03:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kline@sage.thought.org) Received: from sage.thought.org (kline@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sage.thought.org (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k8GM34iS024365; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:03:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@sage.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by sage.thought.org (8.13.6/8.13.1/Submit) id k8GM33eA024364; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:03:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:03:01 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <20060916220301.GC24069@thought.org> References: <20060916204650.GA23985@thought.org> <450C6E2E.8090909@infracaninophile.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <450C6E2E.8090909@infracaninophile.co.uk> X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: Observing twenty years of service to the Unix community User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: Gary Kline , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Is 6.1-RELEASE missing parts of X11? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:03:14 -0000 On Sat, Sep 16, 2006 at 10:35:42PM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: > Gary Kline wrote: > > People, > > > > I've done at least two cmplete make buildworlds (and all the > > rest: kernel/installworld/) and parts of mergemaster. I *am* > > missing /usr/X11R6/bin/xdm and more files in /usr/X11R6/lib/[*]. > > startx is also missing. > > > > I have read the UPDATING and README in /usr/src; Am I missing > > some knob[s]? I have "gdm_enable=YES" in /etc/rc.conf just > > now and have the exec gnome line in ~/.xinitrc. [~/.xinitrc > > is 0755 and chown'd kline:wheel] and so on. > > > > I do see ctwm installed as a backup, but without at least > > xdm, I'm wedged. Anybody know what's going on? > > > > thanks in adance, > > > > gary > > > > PS:: When I scp'd xdm from 5.5, it did exec, but the xlogin > > widget was White and logging in as anyone failed. I > > was always thrown back to the default white xlogin screen. > > I think the howls of protest would have been audible from the moons of > Jupiter had 6.1-RELEASE shipped without a complete set of workable X > windows ports / packages. No, you are definitely experiencing a problem > with your own machine and not with the FreeBSD release. > > However important such software may be, it is not actually a part of > the base system. portupgrade(1) is your friend in this case, not 'make > buildworld'. If you are updating from 5.x to 6.x then you should be > sure to reinstall all your ports / packages. A command line of the > form: > > portupgrade -Niaf > > will get that job done. There are various alternative options you > might want to consider employing, such as telling portupgrade to use > packages rather than re-compiling everything from source: the man page > for portupgrade will elucidate. You need to do this not because 5.x > programs won't work on a 6.x system (they manifestly will run if the > compat5x shlibs are installed) but because any future software update > runs the risk of different parts of the same program being linked against > different versions of a shared library and consequently failing to work. Thanks for several clues! When I chose the packages from /stand/sysinstall maybbe [[ evidently?!]] I only selected "base". I've rebuilt several hundred ports from src. (Some packages were marked "missing" when I tried to install [gnome|kde]-lite so have to hand-built:) ... But this was with 6.1-STABLE rather than -RELEASE.) take care, gary PS: This is obv'ly a local fault; if there were a better OS I would be using it. > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > -- > Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard > Flat 3 > PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate > Kent, CT11 9PW > -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public service Unix From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 22:06:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCC8916A417 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:06:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Received: from typhoon.enabled.com (typhoon.enabled.com [216.218.220.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3674A43D7B for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:06:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Received: from [172.24.241.5] (natint3.juniper.net [66.129.224.36]) (authenticated bits=0) by typhoon.enabled.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id k8GM6G7I044855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:06:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Message-ID: <450C7555.6050502@enabled.com> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:06:13 -0700 From: Noah User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Macintosh/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: ipfw and temporary port access X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:06:22 -0000 Hi there, I am trying to figure out how to open a port temporarily for a specific IP who is able to provide a proper username and password on the website of the box. After authentication is verified then the IP address is cached and temporarily allowed to access a specific port on the server. This temporary firewall changes would be handled by ipfw. Any clues if a system like this is a already coded and out there somewhere? Cheers, Noah From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 20:29:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C30E16A403 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:29:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fontenot_1031@yahoo.com) Received: from web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.69.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A976A43D70 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:29:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fontenot_1031@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 66220 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Sep 2006 20:29:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Ps417aUQ3rPlmdjr9gWWVDlvRLdNoSlGctAfmWIy9SUjskF6+jjaO0uFtbD5LFukeCZJHRPJVJZRFf8QlMb4PfnTXtG+zLoPjADxhYkCN9FMPxIhwraAq+veDwPphsdSOTs1kvRPxOtgb2XHYEhQFvOBjlpxiYoX1wRgFqiXwVk= ; Message-ID: <20060916202927.66218.qmail@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.242.177.95] by web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:29:26 PDT Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:29:26 -0700 (PDT) From: David Fontenot To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:58:17 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: 28.8kbs/56kbs modems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:29:28 -0000 To whom it may concern, Currently, I am using Ubuntu Linux 6.06 and it is really a let-down after I got it when I realized that Ubuntu does not do well with 28.8kbs/56kbs modems. It will not let me use my modem. I was wondering how Free-bsd does with dial-up modems (2 year old computer) and highspeed interenet, (I might get high speed soon). I was thinking that if FreeBSD worked better for going online using dial-up modems? If it worked well, then I was thinking of setting up a partion for both OS's to run. Would I be able to send files between them, over the partion? Thanks in advance. Sincerly, David Fontenot P.S. If my family did share a high speed internet connection, could I still connect to their network and share the internet, even if they are both using Windows XP? :-) --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 22:59:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2CB916A407 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:59:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lauasanf@wilderness.homeip.net) Received: from mxsf25.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf25.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.225]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4837943D69 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:59:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lauasanf@wilderness.homeip.net) Received: from mxip21a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip21a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.151]) by mxsf25.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8GMxXJ9013135 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:59:33 -0400 Received: from 24-159-55-136.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com (HELO [192.168.1.6]) ([24.159.55.136]) by mxip21a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 16 Sep 2006 18:59:33 -0400 Message-ID: <450C81D6.2070503@wilderness.homeip.net> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:59:34 -0500 From: Laurence Sanford User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060804) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "pobox@verysmall.org" References: <200609161541.38002.bob@tania.servebbs.org> <450C55FA.5070701@verysmall.org> In-Reply-To: <450C55FA.5070701@verysmall.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Bob , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: When is BuildWorld necessary? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:59:39 -0000 pobox@verysmall.org wrote: > > But I have one question - do you rebuild the world on a remote machine > (without physical access) and if yes - how do you restart in single > user mode. This is what I can't understand so far. > > Thanks, > Iv In 6 years, I've never dropped any machine to single user to do any part of a buildworld upgrade. I've stopped many running services, but never gone to single user. The only time I had any problems with this approach was when I blindly flubbed versions in my supfile and cvsup'd a 6 system with 4 source. That wasn't pretty. But it would have been not pretty in single user mode as well. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 23:17:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D71D516A403 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:17:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from d1945@sbcglobal.net) Received: from smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5316F43D55 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:17:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from d1945@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 8314 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2006 23:17:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent; b=005sw2lHOgmu+c6o4xeCLeB0zsYFq8lwO98NraY6SFMfSWnkvu4X26Rw7RIpM8/P8ovIsBBQDIM+Bf0JfEKuO1mVDqfVE3CD+qnRJP/4TWa83CabOak1QbZzfU7DEDldn4tAYv4i+6nrT46s9UN8c/t86rFGqOZwVYCxiupAdYI= ; Received: from unknown (HELO home) (d1945@sbcglobal.net@69.104.191.121 with login) by smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2006 23:17:36 -0000 Received: by home (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:17:35 -0700 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:17:35 -0700 From: George Allan To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060916231735.GA1124@home> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <89ce7f740609161430w9a525ebq3f88870141683b92@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <89ce7f740609161430w9a525ebq3f88870141683b92@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: Calling setxkbmap when starting X X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:17:37 -0000 On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 12:30:37AM +0300, Ivan Rambius Ivanov wrote: > I am from Bulgaria and I use Bulgarian language on my FreeBSD machine. > I use the following command > > $ setxkbmap -model pc105 -layout "us,bg" -variant ",phonetic" -option > "grp:alt_shift_toggle" > > to enable both Bulgarian and English. However, I call this command > every time I log in KDE. Is it possible to invoke it automatically > when X is started? I think what you're looking for is xinit(1). My own: $ cat ~/.xinitrc #!/bin/sh xmodmap .xmodmaprc xsetroot -solid dimgray xgamma -gamma 0.8 exec /usr/X11R6/bin/gnome-session Note also you can also define keyboard settings in rc.conf: $ grep keymap /etc/rc.conf keymap="us.iso.kbd.custom" My own custom keymap is a quick hack to swap the Caps_Lock key with Escape for non-X uses (something that only vi users would appreciate). Alternatively, KDE, like Gnome, etc. most likely offers a mechanism to execute scripts at startup, but I'd advise against that approach. Hope that helped. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 23:49:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85F4B16A407 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:49:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan.bikle@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F98A43D67 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:49:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan.bikle@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so3521513wxd for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:49:17 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=l5ddtxFxrtFupNDSJDrpZcGaAsiDFkBwJfmOo+XPxe+LYYJ6OZKa7pGJLQm99q1mZiQWNYv5UZHL9TYmh0iMYOUKcEa5NB/wlABMV5PkFiZPNyaduaTiucYA2F5Tcyx0DOvWf7ZdbRlWzAsXFT7wywgRsHyDjGAHhMyPRZu9BqA= Received: by 10.90.118.12 with SMTP id q12mr4142033agc; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.86.4 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74252ed10609161649se80d8d2tde7a2b04b0f78398@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:49:17 -0700 From: "Dan Bikle" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Freebsd, Suse Linux dual booting X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:49:31 -0000 FreeBSD and Linux people, I have a PC which I want to boot as windows, FreeBSD, and Suse 10.1 Linux. Currently, FreeBSD boot0 menu shows both Windows and FreeBSD as boot-able. The FreeBSD boot0 menu does not show the Linux OS (which I just installed). So, I did some reading of the FreeBSD handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/boot-blocks.html It suggests that I have 2 ways to solve this problem: 1. Configure the FreeBSD boot0 menu so that it can boot Windows, FreeBSD, and Linux Or, 2. Replace The FreeBSD boot0 menu with LILO Boot Manager I like option 1. Q1: How do I add Suse 10.1 Linux to the FreeBSD boot0 menu? As for option 2, if I want to try LILO, I'll need to toss my FreeBSD boot0 menu in the trash. Q2: If I cannot get LILO to boot FreeBSD, how do I boot get FreeBSD to boot and then how do I restore my old FreeBSD boot0 menu? Thanks, -Dan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 23:59:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 096F716A40F for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:59:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65CEF43D46 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:59:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 483FD9BE5C; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 09:29:11 +0930 (CST) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 09:29:11 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Dan Bikle Message-ID: <20060916235911.GA20783@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <74252ed10609161649se80d8d2tde7a2b04b0f78398@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SUOF0GtieIMvvwua" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <74252ed10609161649se80d8d2tde7a2b04b0f78398@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 VoIP: sip:0871270137@sip.internode.on.net WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd, Suse Linux dual booting X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:59:13 -0000 --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Saturday, 16 September 2006 at 16:49:17 -0700, Dan Bikle wrote: > FreeBSD and Linux people, > > I have a PC which I want to boot as windows, FreeBSD, and Suse 10.1 Linux. > > Currently, FreeBSD boot0 menu shows both Windows and FreeBSD as boot-able. > > The FreeBSD boot0 menu does not show the Linux OS (which I just installed). > > So, I did some reading of the FreeBSD handbook: > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/boot-blocks.html > > It suggests that I have 2 ways to solve this problem: > > 1. Configure the FreeBSD boot0 menu so that it can boot > Windows, FreeBSD, and Linux > > Or, > > 2. Replace The FreeBSD boot0 menu with LILO Boot Manager > > I like option 1. > > Q1: How do I add Suse 10.1 Linux to the FreeBSD boot0 menu? That depends on how you have laid out your Linux partition. Given that you have three systems on the disk, you have almost certainly put Linux in a BIOS extended partition. If that's the case, you can't use the FreeBSD boot manager, because it doesn't handle extended partitions. > As for option 2, > if I want to try LILO, I'll need to toss my FreeBSD boot0 menu in the trash. You also have the option of GRUB, which is what I used in this situation. See http://www.lemis.com/grog/diary-apr2006.html#21 for further details. > Q2: If I cannot get LILO to boot FreeBSD, how do I boot get > FreeBSD to boot and then how do I restore my old FreeBSD boot0 menu? Save the very first sector of the disk somewhere: # dd if=/dev/ad0 of=bootsector count=1 To restore it, you'll need to somehow boot, of course (I'd recommend FreesBIE (http://www.freesbie.org/), and copy it back: # dd if=bootsector of=/dev/ad0 count=1 Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFDI/PIubykFB6QiMRAvkqAJ9+cP+66NjGP0c/Tli/HtAiCPaO5QCfRvFB erNiyJrTMcvLo+dtRdjKPMc= =/BXu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua--