From owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 25 18:37:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE5516A407 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:37:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simestd@netexpress.com) Received: from steelhead.netexpress.com (steelhead.netexpress.com [209.112.194.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEFFF43D81 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:37:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simestd@netexpress.com) Received: from vger.acsalaska.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by steelhead.netexpress.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8PIbXXb020866 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 10:37:33 -0800 (AKDT) (envelope-from simestd@netexpress.com) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 10:37:33 -0800 From: Tom Simes To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20060925103733.076df673.simestd@netexpress.com> In-Reply-To: <4511C90E.6090305@freebsdbrasil.com.br> References: <4511C90E.6090305@freebsdbrasil.com.br> Organization: NetExpress X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.10) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TinyBSD available in the base system and 6.2-PRERELEASE image available online X-BeenThere: freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:37:39 -0000 On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 20:04:46 -0300 Jean Milanez Melo wrote: > Since building embedded FreeBSD for PC Engine's Wrap (as well as > Soekris boards) is one of the most common battles, we have just made > available a TinyBSD image for 32MB CF. It is a "ready to run" image, ... > Please, test TinyBSD in the base system if you can and send us > feedbacks (privately or here in embedded@ or small@). On Soekris 4521.... FreeBSD 6.2-PRERELEASE #0: Wed Sep 20 17:29:57 BRT 2006 root@offset.freebsdbrasil.com.br:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/TINYBSD Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: AMD Enhanced Am486DX4/Am5x86 Write-Back (Unknown-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x494 Stepping = 4 Features=0x1 panic: CPU class not configured Uptime: 1s Awww shucks.... so much for the image. I saw "Soekris boards" and got my hopes up. Maybe I'll up a Qemu image of -CURRENT and give it a try. As an aside, is there a particular reason you advocate using the PREFIX variable when installing additional software rather than chrooting? It seems to me the latter would be simpler than trying to chase path changes through subordinate dependencies. (Ref: http://www.tinybsd.org/tinybsd/Documentation) Disclaimer - I'm a newbie to TinyBSD although I've been playing with NanoBSD and Pebble/Pyramid on my Soekris board for a while. Tom ====================================================================== "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B Tom Simes simestd@netexpress.com ====================================================================== From owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 25 19:03:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0050E16A403 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:03:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eksffa@freebsdbrasil.com.br) Received: from capeta.freebsdbrasil.com.br (vrrp.freebsdbrasil.com.br [200.210.70.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 04C5443D49 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:03:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from eksffa@freebsdbrasil.com.br) Received: (qmail 59916 invoked by uid 0); 25 Sep 2006 16:03:54 -0300 Received: from eksffa@freebsdbrasil.com.br by capeta.freebsdbrasil.com.br by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.22 (spamassassin: 2.64. 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(201.17.183.190) by capeta.freebsdbrasil.com.br with SMTP; 25 Sep 2006 16:03:53 -0300 Message-ID: <45182815.20603@freebsdbrasil.com.br> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 16:03:49 -0300 From: Patrick Tracanelli Organization: FreeBSD Brasil LTDA User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051013 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Simes References: <4511C90E.6090305@freebsdbrasil.com.br> <20060925103733.076df673.simestd@netexpress.com> In-Reply-To: <20060925103733.076df673.simestd@netexpress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: TinyBSD available in the base system and 6.2-PRERELEASE image available online X-BeenThere: freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:03:57 -0000 Tom Simes wrote: > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 20:04:46 -0300 > Jean Milanez Melo wrote: > > >>Since building embedded FreeBSD for PC Engine's Wrap (as well as >>Soekris boards) is one of the most common battles, we have just made >>available a TinyBSD image for 32MB CF. It is a "ready to run" image, > > ... > >>Please, test TinyBSD in the base system if you can and send us >>feedbacks (privately or here in embedded@ or small@). > > > > On Soekris 4521.... > > FreeBSD 6.2-PRERELEASE #0: Wed Sep 20 17:29:57 BRT 2006 > root@offset.freebsdbrasil.com.br:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/TINYBSD > Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 > CPU: AMD Enhanced Am486DX4/Am5x86 Write-Back (Unknown-class CPU) > Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x494 Stepping = 4 > Features=0x1 > panic: CPU class not configured > Uptime: 1s > > Awww shucks.... so much for the image. I saw "Soekris boards" and got > my hopes up. Maybe I'll up a Qemu image of -CURRENT and give it a try. > As an aside, is there a particular reason you advocate using the PREFIX > variable when installing additional software rather than chrooting? It > seems to me the latter would be simpler than trying to chase path > changes through subordinate dependencies. > > (Ref: http://www.tinybsd.org/tinybsd/Documentation) > > Disclaimer - I'm a newbie to TinyBSD although I've been playing with > NanoBSD and Pebble/Pyramid on my Soekris board for a while. Hello Tom. All other images from http://www.tinybsd.org/tinybsd/Download except this one will work on Soekris. I believe we should make 6.2-PRERELEASE for Soekris too, so in the next 20-30 minutes you can check this download section to grab new one. Regarding PREFIX, there is no special reason. But how do you suggest using ports collection chrooting? The "ports" tree should be available under the chrooted directory to do so, right? Maybe pkg_add would do the job easier, if pkg_add were available in the embedded system. We are trying to work out a better approach for 3rd party software installation, using the many ports' mk files and trying to detect which files from pkg-plist shall not be installed in an embedded system (say, man pages, shared examples, etc), so 3d party apps support for TinyBSD is really something too basic right now. Ideas are welcome regarding this approach. -- Patrick Tracanelli From owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 25 20:20:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6506A16A412 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:20:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eksffa@freebsdbrasil.com.br) Received: from capeta.freebsdbrasil.com.br (vrrp.freebsdbrasil.com.br [200.210.70.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 43B6043D45 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:20:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from eksffa@freebsdbrasil.com.br) Received: (qmail 76903 invoked by uid 0); 25 Sep 2006 17:20:46 -0300 Received: from eksffa@freebsdbrasil.com.br by capeta.freebsdbrasil.com.br by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.22 (spamassassin: 2.64. Clear:RC:1(201.17.183.190):. Processed in 0.663989 secs); 25 Sep 2006 20:20:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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(201.17.183.190) by capeta.freebsdbrasil.com.br with SMTP; 25 Sep 2006 17:20:45 -0300 Message-ID: <45183A19.10305@freebsdbrasil.com.br> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 17:20:41 -0300 From: Patrick Tracanelli Organization: FreeBSD Brasil LTDA User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051013 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Simes , freebsd-small@freebsd.org References: <4511C90E.6090305@freebsdbrasil.com.br> <20060925103733.076df673.simestd@netexpress.com> In-Reply-To: <20060925103733.076df673.simestd@netexpress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: TinyBSD available in the base system and 6.2-PRERELEASE image available online X-BeenThere: freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:20:48 -0000 Tom Simes wrote: > On Soekris 4521.... > > FreeBSD 6.2-PRERELEASE #0: Wed Sep 20 17:29:57 BRT 2006 > root@offset.freebsdbrasil.com.br:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/TINYBSD > Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 > CPU: AMD Enhanced Am486DX4/Am5x86 Write-Back (Unknown-class CPU) > Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x494 Stepping = 4 > Features=0x1 > panic: CPU class not configured > Uptime: 1s Just added. http://www.tinybsd.org/download/tinybsd-f62pre.bin http://www.tinybsd.org/tinybsd/Download for the README file. -- Patrick Tracanelli FreeBSD Brasil LTDA. (31) 3281-9633 / 3281-3547 316601@sip.freebsdbrasil.com.br http://www.freebsdbrasil.com.br "Long live Hanin Elias, Kim Deal!" From owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 25 21:24:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F4A116A412 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 21:24:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simestd@netexpress.com) Received: from steelhead.netexpress.com (steelhead.netexpress.com [209.112.194.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D04943D45 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 21:24:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simestd@netexpress.com) Received: from vger.acsalaska.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by steelhead.netexpress.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8PLOYvs024883; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 13:24:35 -0800 (AKDT) (envelope-from simestd@netexpress.com) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 13:24:34 -0800 From: Tom Simes To: Patrick Tracanelli Message-Id: <20060925132434.36e6dba5.simestd@netexpress.com> In-Reply-To: <45182815.20603@freebsdbrasil.com.br> References: <4511C90E.6090305@freebsdbrasil.com.br> <20060925103733.076df673.simestd@netexpress.com> <45182815.20603@freebsdbrasil.com.br> Organization: NetExpress X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.10) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: TinyBSD available in the base system and 6.2-PRERELEASE image available online X-BeenThere: freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 21:24:38 -0000 On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 16:03:49 -0300 Patrick Tracanelli wrote: > Hello Tom. > > All other images from http://www.tinybsd.org/tinybsd/Download except > this one will work on Soekris. I believe we should make 6.2-PRERELEASE > > for Soekris too, so in the next 20-30 minutes you can check this > download section to grab new one. Wow, that's service! Thanks Patrick :) > Regarding PREFIX, there is no special reason. But how do you suggest > using ports collection chrooting? The "ports" tree should be available > under the chrooted directory to do so, right? > > Maybe pkg_add would do the job easier, if pkg_add were available in > the embedded system. > > We are trying to work out a better approach for 3rd party software > installation, using the many ports' mk files and trying to detect > which files from pkg-plist shall not be installed in an embedded > system (say, man pages, shared examples, etc), so 3d party apps > support for TinyBSD is really something too basic right now. > > Ideas are welcome regarding this approach. I think every minimized *nix install suffers from this. As soon as someone gets $distribution downloaded they want to customize it for their particular task. I've tried several methods with NanoBSD, but ports with extensive dependencies or that need to add users to the system can quickly outgrow the simple shell scripts folks are using to assemble working images. While I'm still refining how I build an image, at this point the easiest and most successful method I've found is: create the basic build (in NanoBSD's case using a slightly modified nanobsd.sh script) chroot to that environment (chroot /usr/obj/_.w) and use pkg_add -r to install the additional packages/users I'm interested in. re-create disk image (with another slightly modified nanobsd.sh script) This method lets pkg_add take care of the dependencies for me, and also allows packages to be added successfully that need to add users / groups / files in "odd" places. There are still some manual steps, but the method is consistent, repeatable and works for me. As far as trying to protect people from installing Gimp on their embedded device - IMHO that is self correcting ;-) Tom ====================================================================== "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B Tom Simes simestd@netexpress.com ====================================================================== From owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 28 06:00:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from hub.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0D6016A47C for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:00:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mips@freebsd.org) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: owner-freebsd-mips@freebsd.org To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:00:31 -0700 Precedence: bulk X-BeenThere: freebsd-mips@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 X-List-Administrivia: yes Sender: owner-freebsd-mips@freebsd.org Errors-To: owner-freebsd-mips@freebsd.org Subject: Your message to freebsd-mips awaits moderator approval X-BeenThere: freebsd-small@freebsd.org List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:00:33 -0000 Your mail to 'freebsd-mips' with the subject You have the experience but lack the proper University Degree. iLefwBkVoMrF3 Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. 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