From owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 11 23:32:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: small@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBF3516A403; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:32:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=julian=4328b7b2f@elischer.org) Received: from a50.ironport.com (a50.ironport.com [63.251.108.112]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0502143DFA; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:31:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from prvs=julian=4328b7b2f@elischer.org) Received: from unknown (HELO [10.251.18.229]) ([10.251.18.229]) by a50.ironport.com with ESMTP; 11 Oct 2006 16:31:19 -0700 Message-ID: <452D7EC6.5080302@elischer.org> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:31:18 -0700 From: Julian Elischer User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Macintosh/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: current@freebsd.org, small@freebsd.org References: <452D6C90.7020703@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <452D6C90.7020703@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: {pico, tiny, nano}BSD, FreesBIE X-BeenThere: freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:32:48 -0000 Some people have asked me about why we have so many different ways to make images.. I had a quick look for a page on the site that holds this sort of thing but didn't spot it.. Here's quick comparison from my perspective. In order of increasing size: PicoBSD compiles from the given sources and can thus build cross revision, or with a lot more tailored stuff. Using the crunch gives TRULY tiny images.. (a 4MB image is possible I think) A bit fiddly but the only way to go on a machine with a really small image requirement. I like it for [34]86 class machines with 8MB ram. (If you can get a boot media) it used to be possible to get it all on a floppy but I don;t think that is now possible due to kernel growth. NanoBSD compiles, and is capable of being set to build a cross image of a different architecture. Different compile options can be used from the build system, e.g. you could leave out support for kerberos or similar and get a different version of telnet. TinyBSD uses the precompiled binaries on the building system. Thus it can not make a crossbuilt image, or one based on a different revision. (It does however make a custom kernel) It is however REALLY fast.. It is interactive to some extent and can make an image which will run off the boot media or create a memory filesystem image. (select at build time). In size it is similar to NanoBSD but 'simpler', though less flexible. Still needs a little work for running off a USB stick but works fine in mfs mode. FreeSBIE is another option. it is designed to make not only a basic image but to include all sorts of packages and possibly configure them. Targetted at media the size of a CD. it builds everything from scratch and can this be very tailored. more flexible than tinyBSD, but more work too. In addition there is Monowall and pfsense (monowall.org, pfsense.com) though I haven't played with them. From owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 12 03:45:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: small@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E69016A417 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 03:45:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eugen@www.svzserv.kemerovo.su) Received: from www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (www.svzserv.kemerovo.su [213.184.65.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98F2943D55 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 03:45:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from eugen@www.svzserv.kemerovo.su) Received: from www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (eugen@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id k9C3j2bb015211; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:45:02 +0800 (KRAST) (envelope-from eugen@www.svzserv.kemerovo.su) Received: (from eugen@localhost) by www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id k9C3j1vw015167; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:45:01 +0800 (KRAST) (envelope-from eugen) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:45:01 +0800 From: Eugene Grosbein To: Julian Elischer Message-ID: <20061012034501.GA12576@svzserv.kemerovo.su> References: <452D6C90.7020703@FreeBSD.org> <452D7EC6.5080302@elischer.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <452D7EC6.5080302@elischer.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: {pico, tiny, nano}BSD, FreesBIE X-BeenThere: freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 03:45:17 -0000 On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 04:31:18PM -0700, Julian Elischer wrote: > NanoBSD compiles, and is capable of being set to build a cross image of > a different architecture. > Different compile options can be used from the build system, > e.g. you could leave out support for kerberos or similar and get a > different version of telnet. > > TinyBSD uses the precompiled binaries on the building system. Thus it > can not make a crossbuilt image, or one based on a different > revision. (It does however make a custom kernel) It is however > REALLY fast.. It is interactive to some extent and can make an image > which will run off the boot media or create a memory filesystem > image. (select at build time). In size it is similar to > NanoBSD but 'simpler', though less flexible. Still needs a little > work for running off a USB stick but works fine in mfs mode. > > FreeSBIE is another option. it is designed to make not only a > basic image but to include all sorts of packages and possibly > configure them. NanoBSD also supports installing packages. It supports customizing scripts. Older version (Makefile-based) supplied sample script that run pkg_add * in a specital directory containing a set of packages to go to the image. Recent does not suppy such sample but you may use your own script to do so and Nano's building process will put packages to the image automatically. Here is what pkg_info show for one of my working NanoBSD routers: arpwatch-2.1.a13_2 Monitor arp & rarp requests glib-1.2.10_11 Some useful routines of C programming (previous stable vers ipacctd-1.47 IP accounting using divert socket joe-3.3,1 Joe's Own Editor libiconv-1.9.2_1 A character set conversion library libslang-1.4.9 Routines for rapid alpha-numeric terminal applications deve mc-4.6.1_3 Midnight Commander, a free Norton Commander Clone net-snmp-5.2.2 An extendable SNMP implementation pkgconfig-0.17.2 A utility to retrieve information about installed libraries quagga-0.99.4_2 Free RIPv1, RIPv2, OSPFv2, BGP4, IS-IS route software screen-4.0.2_3 A multi-screen window manager trafshow-3.1_5,1 Full screen visualization of network traffic (an ancient ve Eugene Grosbein From owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 12 05:00:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: small@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2324916A407 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 05:00:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=julian=4331aeda7@elischer.org) Received: from a50.ironport.com (a50.ironport.com [63.251.108.112]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BACB43D5A for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 05:00:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from prvs=julian=4331aeda7@elischer.org) Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.2.5]) ([10.251.60.115]) by a50.ironport.com with ESMTP; 11 Oct 2006 22:00:26 -0700 Message-ID: <452DCBE9.9020605@elischer.org> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:00:25 -0700 From: Julian Elischer User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Macintosh/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eugene Grosbein References: <452D6C90.7020703@FreeBSD.org> <452D7EC6.5080302@elischer.org> <20061012034501.GA12576@svzserv.kemerovo.su> In-Reply-To: <20061012034501.GA12576@svzserv.kemerovo.su> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: {pico, tiny, nano}BSD, FreesBIE X-BeenThere: freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 05:00:27 -0000 Eugene Grosbein wrote: > > NanoBSD also supports installing packages. It supports customizing scripts. > Older version (Makefile-based) supplied sample script that run > pkg_add * in a specital directory containing a set > of packages to go to the image. Recent does not suppy such sample > but you may use your own script to do so and Nano's building process > will put packages to the image automatically. > true, I just meant to say that FreeSBIE does a bit more than NanoBSD. From owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 12 13:07:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: small@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26E0616A40F; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:07:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [209.31.154.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A998443D5A; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:07:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8786C46DA1; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:07:15 +0100 (BST) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Julian Elischer In-Reply-To: <452D7EC6.5080302@elischer.org> Message-ID: <20061012140646.R10593@fledge.watson.org> References: <452D6C90.7020703@FreeBSD.org> <452D7EC6.5080302@elischer.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: current@freebsd.org, small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: {pico, tiny, nano}BSD, FreesBIE X-BeenThere: freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:07:26 -0000 On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Julian Elischer wrote: > Some people have asked me about why we have so many different ways to make > images.. > > I had a quick look for a page on the site that holds this sort of thing but > didn't spot it.. Sounds like precisely this list of differences should be in the handbook or such somewhere. :-) Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge > > Here's quick comparison from my perspective. > > In order of increasing size: > > PicoBSD compiles from the given sources and can thus build cross > revision, or with a lot more tailored stuff. > Using the crunch gives TRULY tiny images.. (a 4MB image is > possible I think) A bit fiddly but the only way to go on a > machine with a really small image requirement. > I like it for [34]86 class machines with 8MB ram. > (If you can get a boot media) > it used to be possible to get it all on a floppy but I don;t think > that is now possible due to kernel growth. > > NanoBSD compiles, and is capable of being set to build a cross image of > a different architecture. > Different compile options can be used from the build system, > e.g. you could leave out support for kerberos or similar and get a > different version of telnet. > > TinyBSD uses the precompiled binaries on the building system. Thus it > can not make a crossbuilt image, or one based on a different > revision. (It does however make a custom kernel) It is however > REALLY fast.. It is interactive to some extent and can make an image which > will run off the boot media or create a memory filesystem > image. (select at build time). In size it is similar to > NanoBSD but 'simpler', though less flexible. Still needs a little > work for running off a USB stick but works fine in mfs mode. > > FreeSBIE is another option. it is designed to make not only a > basic image but to include all sorts of packages and possibly > configure them. Targetted at media the size of a CD. > it builds everything from scratch and can this be very tailored. > more flexible than tinyBSD, but more work too. > > In addition there is Monowall and pfsense (monowall.org, pfsense.com) > though I haven't played with them. > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 12 13:13:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: small@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A04EA16A407; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:13:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from thin.berklix.org (thin.berklix.org [194.246.123.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01DF543D45; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:13:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A4B28.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.75.40]) (authenticated bits=128) by thin.berklix.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k9CDDmJO079092; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:13:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (fire.jhs.private [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9CDDmln040903; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:13:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.jhs.private (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9CDDmGS079750; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:13:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200610121313.k9CDDmGS079750@fire.jhs.private> To: Julian Elischer In-reply-to: <452D7EC6.5080302@elischer.org> References: <452D6C90.7020703@FreeBSD.org> <452D7EC6.5080302@elischer.org> Comments: In-reply-to Julian Elischer message dated "Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:31:18 -0700." Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:13:48 +0200 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Cc: dgw@liwest.at, current@freebsd.org, small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: {pico, tiny, nano}BSD, FreesBIE X-BeenThere: freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:13:57 -0000 Julian Elischer wrote: > In addition there is Monowall and pfsense (monowall.org, pfsense.com) > though I haven't played with them. There's also http://flat.berklix.org/~dgw/ I havent looked at content in a long time, just gave dgw@ (cc'd) that login to http publish but it's all old now Jan 10 2004. -- Julian Stacey. BSD Unix C Net Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen http://berklix.com Mail Ascii, not HTML. Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. http://berklix.org/free-software From owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 12 14:40:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: small@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3E016A412; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:40:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matteo@freebsd.org) Received: from vsmtp4.tin.it (vsmtp4.tin.it [212.216.176.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B5143D5E; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:40:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from matteo@freebsd.org) Received: from kaiser.sig11.org (87.5.190.73) by vsmtp4.tin.it (7.2.072.1) id 452C9C440019018B; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:40:43 +0200 Received: from kaiser.sig11.org (rionda@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kaiser.sig11.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id k9CEegp2046680; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:40:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from matteo@freebsd.org) Received: (from rionda@localhost) by kaiser.sig11.org (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id k9CEeY7x046671; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:40:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from matteo@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: kaiser.sig11.org: rionda set sender to matteo@freebsd.org using -f Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:40:33 +0200 From: Matteo Riondato To: Robert Watson Message-ID: <20061012144033.GA177@kaiser.sig11.org> References: <452D6C90.7020703@FreeBSD.org> <452D7EC6.5080302@elischer.org> <20061012140646.R10593@fledge.watson.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20061012140646.R10593@fledge.watson.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 Cc: small@freebsd.org, Julian Elischer , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: {pico, tiny, nano}BSD, FreesBIE X-BeenThere: freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:40:45 -0000 --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Oct 12, 2006 at 02:07:15PM +0100, Robert Watson wrote: > On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Julian Elischer wrote: > >FreeSBIE is another option. it is designed to make not only a > >basic image but to include all sorts of packages and possibly > >configure them. Targetted at media the size of a CD. > >it builds everything from scratch and can this be very tailored. > >more flexible than tinyBSD, but more work too. As one of the FreeSBIE developers, I would like to say a word: I agree with the above description apart from the fact that our target is CD/DVD: FreeSBIE can be stripped down to a 64MB or less image and put on a flash card or USB pen. Another thing I'd like to add: after having release FreeSBIE 2.0 (around the middle of November), I'd like to add nanoBSD an miniBSD features to FreeSBIE and, if possible, import it in the base system and make it the "official" tool to build live/small FreeBSD systems. Best regards --=20 Matteo Riondato FreeBSD Committer (http://www.freebsd.org) G.U.F.I. Staff Member (http://www.gufi.org) FreeSBIE Developer (http://www.freesbie.org) --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFLlPh2Mp4pR7Fa+wRAlqQAKCJwvgE/ewTHvrfbZmPiBJ9WduA4ACfVViI O8vSBTdSrk7Ofd2MeBxLNE4= =CVAl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd-- From owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 12 18:00:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: small@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8063116A4CE; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:00:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=julian=4331aeda7@elischer.org) Received: from a50.ironport.com (a50.ironport.com [63.251.108.112]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0659843D5D; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:59:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from prvs=julian=4331aeda7@elischer.org) Received: from unknown (HELO [10.251.18.229]) ([10.251.18.229]) by a50.ironport.com with ESMTP; 12 Oct 2006 10:59:06 -0700 Message-ID: <452E826A.4050901@elischer.org> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:59:06 -0700 From: Julian Elischer User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Macintosh/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matteo Riondato References: <452D6C90.7020703@FreeBSD.org> <452D7EC6.5080302@elischer.org> <20061012140646.R10593@fledge.watson.org> <20061012144033.GA177@kaiser.sig11.org> In-Reply-To: <20061012144033.GA177@kaiser.sig11.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Robert Watson , small@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: {pico, tiny, nano}BSD, FreesBIE X-BeenThere: freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:00:28 -0000 Matteo Riondato wrote: > On Thu, Oct 12, 2006 at 02:07:15PM +0100, Robert Watson wrote: > >> On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Julian Elischer wrote: >> >>> FreeSBIE is another option. it is designed to make not only a >>> basic image but to include all sorts of packages and possibly >>> configure them. Targetted at media the size of a CD. >>> it builds everything from scratch and can this be very tailored. >>> more flexible than tinyBSD, but more work too. >>> > > As one of the FreeSBIE developers, I would like to say a word: > I agree with the above description apart from the fact that our target > is CD/DVD: FreeSBIE can be stripped down to a 64MB or less image and > put on a flash card or USB pen. > > Another thing I'd like to add: after having release FreeSBIE 2.0 > (around the middle of November), I'd like to add nanoBSD an miniBSD > features to FreeSBIE and, if possible, import it in the base system > and make it the "official" tool to build live/small FreeBSD systems. > > Best regards > If we could make one that had the ease of use of the easiest, and the flexibility of the most flexible and the speed of the fastest (etc.) then I doubt anyone would complain :-) From owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 13 05:32:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: small@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 424C116A415; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 05:32:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from mrout2.yahoo.com (mrout2.yahoo.com [216.145.54.172]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A97D43D49; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 05:32:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from minion.local.neville-neil.com (proxy8.corp.yahoo.com [216.145.48.13]) by mrout2.yahoo.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/y.out) with ESMTP id k9D5VwGw072819; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:34:59 +0900 Message-ID: From: gnn@freebsd.org To: Robert Watson In-Reply-To: <20061012140646.R10593@fledge.watson.org> References: <452D6C90.7020703@FreeBSD.org> <452D7EC6.5080302@elischer.org> <20061012140646.R10593@fledge.watson.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.8 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Shij=F2?=) APEL/10.6 Emacs/22.0.50 (i386-apple-darwin8.7.1) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: small@freebsd.org, Julian Elischer , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: {pico, tiny, nano}BSD, FreesBIE X-BeenThere: freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 05:32:16 -0000 Actually it ought to be on embeddedfreebsd.org as well. Later, George