From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 20 00:51:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7A4916A402 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 00:51:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gaye@shaw.ca) Received: from pd2mo1so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5C2413C45D for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 00:51:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gaye@shaw.ca) Received: from pd2mr5so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr5so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.8]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JC5004FV3HXUW40@l-daemon> for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:49:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from pn2ml7so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.151]) by pd2mr5so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.05 (built Apr 28 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JC50050O3HWE601@pd2mr5so.prod.shaw.ca> for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:49:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from babylon ([24.86.123.188]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with SMTP id <0JC500K8L3HOFK20@l-daemon> for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:49:00 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:49:02 -0800 From: gaye To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-id: <000501c73c24$65c3f9e0$bc7b5618@babylon> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:09:00 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: new freebsd t-shirt X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 00:51:28 -0000 Hi Matt ,=20 Tell me where can I buy the FreeBSD t-Shirt . Do they carry different = size? Thank From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 13:00:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3465516A40D for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:00:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from salvatore@oems.ch) Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-08.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE4F613C442 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:00:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from salvatore@oems.ch) Received: from oemspc03 (212.98.44.96) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.073) id 458247CF005BCD0C for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:36:29 +0100 Message-ID: <019101c73e21$f3444910$212aa8c0@oemspc03> From: "Salvatore Albanese" To: References: <20070122120037.4935A16A47D@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:36:33 +0100 Organization: OEMS Sagl MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Subject: Re: freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 175, Issue 1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:00:36 -0000 Greetings Gaye Here is a place where you can find the FreeBSD Shirts as well as other goodies https://www.mckusick.com/beastie/order/shirtform3.html or you can find other FreeBSD goodies here too http://www.freebsdmall.com http://www.bsdmall.com/ As for New Shirts, I am not sure if they carry them yet. I hope this helps Salvatore Albanese Sr Consultant OEMS Sagl CP 210 6576 Gerra (Gambarogno) TI Switzerland Tel +41 91 859 0730 Fax +41 91 859 0731 E-mail info@oems.ch Web www.oems.ch Skype name: oems_sagl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 1:00 PM Subject: freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 175, Issue 1 > Send freebsd-advocacy mailing list submissions to > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > freebsd-advocacy-request@freebsd.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > freebsd-advocacy-owner@freebsd.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of freebsd-advocacy digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. new freebsd t-shirt (gaye) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:49:02 -0800 > From: gaye > Subject: new freebsd t-shirt > To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <000501c73c24$65c3f9e0$bc7b5618@babylon> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Matt , > Tell me where can I buy the FreeBSD t-Shirt . Do they carry different > size? > Thank > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > End of freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 175, Issue 1 > ************************************************ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 23 05:06:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D755E16A401 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 05:06:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jimjv@verizon.net) Received: from smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.141]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 755DC13C442 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 05:06:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jimjv@verizon.net) Received: (qmail 41972 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2007 04:40:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 2005hp) (jimjv@verizon.net@151.201.224.106 with login) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2007 04:40:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1xySiU8VM1nbFiLIr3Ta7oDuRsUe_5_f1F_rVuHcwkzLexwY9yRDt8fJoOj_d.JJ8ptLLdhyaf8g97iGZJMvhxoRXvDN0HFgD0NUbEX5kJwHmv1mYI30.w0- Message-ID: <000601c73ea8$92242a60$2e01a8c0@2005hp> From: "Mr. Jim Vaglia" To: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 23:40:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:33:34 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Vision impaired software on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 05:06:58 -0000 What assistive technology if any will run on FreeBSD? Is this what Mac = and Voice Over is based on? Many blind people are mostlikely not = interested in paying high cost of Windows Vista. Thanks for spreading = the word among the public if all people with physical disabilities and = impairments are able to use FreeBSD? Totally, blind from birth, totally = in the *dark* on this OS. LOL From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 25 07:36:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D0C16A402 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 07:36:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from salvatore@oems.ch) Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-08.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C392E13C441 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 07:36:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from salvatore@oems.ch) Received: from oemspc03 (212.98.44.96) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.073) id 458247CF00626D3F for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:36:31 +0100 Message-ID: <1f7701c74053$8bfac840$212aa8c0@oemspc03> From: "Salvatore Albanese" To: References: <20070124120036.58D7816A47F@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:36:37 +0100 Organization: OEMS Sagl MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Subject: Port description for accessibility, Vision Impairted Persons X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 07:36:33 -0000 Greetings Jim Within FreeBSD there are included the following port that deal with visually impaired persons; "Gnopernicus" Gnopernicus provides Assistive Technologies (AT) for blind and visually impaired persons through modules for text-to-speech, braille, etc. It is a screen reader and magnifier and it enables users with limited vision, or no vision, For more information about this port see the web site of the project WWW: http://www.baum.ro/gnopernicus.html Salvatore Albanese Sr Consultant OEMS Sagl CP 210 6576 Gerra (Gambarogno) TI Switzerland Tel +41 91 859 0730 Fax +41 91 859 0731 E-mail info@oems.ch Web www.oems.ch Skype name: oems_sagl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:00 PM Subject: freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 175, Issue 3 > Send freebsd-advocacy mailing list submissions to > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > freebsd-advocacy-request@freebsd.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > freebsd-advocacy-owner@freebsd.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of freebsd-advocacy digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Vision impaired software on FreeBSD? (Mr. Jim Vaglia) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 23:40:11 -0500 > From: "Mr. Jim Vaglia" > Subject: Vision impaired software on FreeBSD? > To: > Message-ID: <000601c73ea8$92242a60$2e01a8c0@2005hp> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > What assistive technology if any will run on FreeBSD? Is this what Mac and > Voice Over is based on? Many blind people are mostlikely not interested in > paying high cost of Windows Vista. Thanks for spreading the word among the > public if all people with physical disabilities and impairments are able > to use FreeBSD? Totally, blind from birth, totally in the *dark* on this > OS. LOL > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > End of freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 175, Issue 3 > ************************************************ > From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 25 12:57:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4696116A404 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:57:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from thin.berklix.org (thin.berklix.org [194.246.123.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFAB913C448 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:57:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A715A.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.113.90]) (authenticated bits=128) by thin.berklix.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l0PCv4Ws001243; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:57:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (fire.jhs.private [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l0PCurR1048527; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:56:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (localhost.jhs.private [127.0.0.1]) by fire.jhs.private (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l0PCuroY074833; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:56:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200701251256.l0PCuroY074833@fire.jhs.private> To: "Mr. Jim Vaglia" In-reply-to: <000601c73ea8$92242a60$2e01a8c0@2005hp> References: <000601c73ea8$92242a60$2e01a8c0@2005hp> Comments: In-reply-to "Mr. Jim Vaglia" message dated "Mon, 22 Jan 2007 23:40:11 -0500." Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:56:53 +0100 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Vision impaired software on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:57:15 -0000 "Mr. Jim Vaglia" wrote: > What assistive technology if any will run on FreeBSD? Is this > what Mac and Voice Over is based on? Many blind people are mostlikely > not interested in paying high cost of Windows Vista. Thanks for > spreading the word among the public if all people with physical > disabilities and impairments are able to use FreeBSD? Totally, blind > from birth, totally in the *dark* on this OS. LOL One problem: (last I knew), FreeBSD only has a graphical installer, not Ascii text mode. So you might need somoene else to install it for you. (That's of course doing a standard install off the cdrom or floppy & net; if you happen to be a Unix expert there are ways of installing using command line only, eg installing a spare disk on a PC, installing software, moving disk to new PC: all of that could be done in single line mode commands, possibly with one of those Ascii to braille 40 char. adapters a friend told me of 2 decades back, so might be possible but tricky. Last I heard NetBSD still offers a line mode installer http://www.netbsd.org NetBSD has less ported packages than FreeBSD but otherwise is similar. (well, more similar than eg Linux or Microsoft :-) Apart from what Salvatore Albanese just mentioned, (hope you got it, not cc'd) ... It's also possible freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org might have heard of other hardware. Then again, as NetBSD is more hardware oriented, those people may have heard of more controllable devices. PS for anyone wondering, No, I'm no troll for NetBSD, nearly all my many machines are FreeBSD, but NetBSD does have some advantages in some places. -- Julian Stacey. BSD Unix C Net Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen http://berklix.com Mail Ascii, not HTML. Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. http://berklix.org/free-software From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 25 13:23:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0816016A403 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:23:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from m21.unixathome.org (m21.unixathome.org [205.150.199.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEAA613C45D for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:23:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [205.150.199.217]) by m21.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E38BF6E; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:23:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.unixathome.org ([205.150.199.217]) by localhost (m21.unixathome.org [205.150.199.217]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29206-05; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:23:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [74.104.199.163]) by m21.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95383BEDE; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:23:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.55.0.99] (wocker.unixathome.org [10.55.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78147B84D; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:23:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: "Julian H. Stacey" Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:23:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <45B8690D.20662.CD0D8195@dan.langille.org> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200701251256.l0PCuroY074833@fire.jhs.private> References: <000601c73ea8$92242a60$2e01a8c0@2005hp>, <200701251256.l0PCuroY074833@fire.jhs.private> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at unixathome.org Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Vision impaired software on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:23:44 -0000 On 25 Jan 2007 at 13:56, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > "Mr. Jim Vaglia" wrote: > > What assistive technology if any will run on FreeBSD? Is this > > what Mac and Voice Over is based on? Many blind people are mostlikely > > not interested in paying high cost of Windows Vista. Thanks for > > spreading the word among the public if all people with physical > > disabilities and impairments are able to use FreeBSD? Totally, blind > > from birth, totally in the *dark* on this OS. LOL > > One problem: (last I knew), FreeBSD only has a graphical installer, > not Ascii text mode. So you might need somoene else to install it > for you. PC-BSD, which installs FreeBSD, has a graphical installer. -- Dan Langille : Software Developer looking for work my resume: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference - http://www.pgcon.org/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 25 13:55:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BADF616A404 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:55:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C79F13C455 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:55:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id A81ED2085; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:33:56 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Tests: AWL X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: 0.0/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on tim.des.no Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by tim.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DE802083; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:33:56 +0100 (CET) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7AA0DB870; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:35:25 +0100 (CET) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) To: "Julian H. Stacey" References: <000601c73ea8$92242a60$2e01a8c0@2005hp> <200701251256.l0PCuroY074833@fire.jhs.private> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:35:25 +0100 In-Reply-To: <200701251256.l0PCuroY074833@fire.jhs.private> (Julian H. Stacey's message of "Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:56:53 +0100") Message-ID: <8664avcjqa.fsf@dwp.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, "Mr. Jim Vaglia" Subject: Re: Vision impaired software on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:55:19 -0000 "Julian H. Stacey" writes: > One problem: (last I knew), FreeBSD only has a graphical installer, > not Ascii text mode. So you might need somoene else to install it > for you. On the contrary, FreeBSD does not have and has never had a graphical installer. Sysinstall is text-based and is rumored to work well with screen readers. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 25 14:28:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1CF116A401 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:28:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com (mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.199]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62CBA13C474 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:28:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from vanquish.pgh.priv.collaborativefusion.com (vanquish.pgh.priv.collaborativefusion.com [192.168.2.61]) (SSL: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by wingspan with esmtp; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:18:44 -0500 id 0005643E.45B8BC44.00013CEC Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:18:44 -0500 From: Bill Moran To: Robin Becker Message-Id: <20070125091844.62a290af.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> In-Reply-To: <45B8B022.1020909@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> References: <45B8B022.1020909@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> Organization: Collaborative Fusion X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.3.0 (GTK+ 2.10.7; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BBC debate "Battle of the operating systems" X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:28:45 -0000 In response to Robin Becker : > The BBC is to host a debate on multiple OSes. > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6288119.stm > > They want one individual to represent each OS. Apparently they only want Vista, > OS X and Linux, but I don't see why we can't press for FreeBSD. I sent them a comment about how FreeBSD should be included. I think that if enough of us send in comments, they'll re-open the submission. -- Bill Moran Collaborative Fusion Inc. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 25 14:39:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B3716A401; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:39:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com (mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.199]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9B6813C441; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:39:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from vanquish.pgh.priv.collaborativefusion.com (vanquish.pgh.priv.collaborativefusion.com [192.168.2.61]) (SSL: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by wingspan with esmtp; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:39:08 -0500 id 0005643E.45B8C10C.00013EF1 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:39:07 -0500 From: Bill Moran To: Robin Becker Message-Id: <20070125093907.64ec88b6.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> In-Reply-To: <45B8C0CE.4060203@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> References: <45B8B022.1020909@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> <20070125091844.62a290af.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> <45B8C0CE.4060203@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> Organization: Collaborative Fusion X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.3.0 (GTK+ 2.10.7; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BBC debate "Battle of the operating systems" X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:39:09 -0000 In response to Robin Becker : > Bill Moran wrote: > > In response to Robin Becker : > > > >> The BBC is to host a debate on multiple OSes. > >> > >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6288119.stm > >> > >> They want one individual to represent each OS. Apparently they only want Vista, > >> OS X and Linux, but I don't see why we can't press for FreeBSD. > > > > I sent them a comment about how FreeBSD should be included. I think > > that if enough of us send in comments, they'll re-open the submission. > > > Where did you mail~ usually there's a link like "tell us your opinion" etc etc, > but I could not see one on that page. There is a generic "contact us" link a the _very_ bottom of the page that takes you here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/newswatch/ukfs/hi/feedback/default.stm -- Bill Moran Collaborative Fusion Inc. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 25 15:02:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4551216A407 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:02:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robin@reportlab.com) Received: from relay00.pair.com (relay00.pair.com [209.68.5.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D901013C44C for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:02:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robin@reportlab.com) Received: (qmail 94359 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2007 14:36:13 -0000 Received: from 217.196.247.135 (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (217.196.247.135) by relay00.pair.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2007 14:36:13 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 217.196.247.135 Message-ID: <45B8C0CE.4060203@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:38:06 +0000 From: Robin Becker User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Moran References: <45B8B022.1020909@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> <20070125091844.62a290af.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> In-Reply-To: <20070125091844.62a290af.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BBC debate "Battle of the operating systems" X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:02:54 -0000 Bill Moran wrote: > In response to Robin Becker : > >> The BBC is to host a debate on multiple OSes. >> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6288119.stm >> >> They want one individual to represent each OS. Apparently they only want Vista, >> OS X and Linux, but I don't see why we can't press for FreeBSD. > > I sent them a comment about how FreeBSD should be included. I think > that if enough of us send in comments, they'll re-open the submission. > Where did you mail~ usually there's a link like "tell us your opinion" etc etc, but I could not see one on that page. -- Robin Becker From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 25 16:39:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07D016A401 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:39:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from thin.berklix.org (thin.berklix.org [194.246.123.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E3DA13C4A5 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:39:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A764E.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.118.78]) (authenticated bits=128) by thin.berklix.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l0PGcvCt001673; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:38:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (fire.jhs.private [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l0PGcoSr049145; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:38:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (localhost.jhs.private [127.0.0.1]) by fire.jhs.private (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l0PGcoFC076854; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:38:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200701251638.l0PGcoFC076854@fire.jhs.private> To: "Mr. Jim Vaglia" From: "Julian Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix C Net Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen User-agent: EXMH http://beedub.com/exmh/ on FreeBSD http://freebsd.org X-URL: http://berklix.com X-Fallback: jhs@mail.brierdr.com, jhs@freebsd.org, jhs@berklix.net In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:35:25 +0100." <8664avcjqa.fsf@dwp.des.no> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:38:50 +0100 Sender: jhs@flat.berklix.net Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Vision impaired software on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:39:01 -0000 Reference: > From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) > Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:35:25 +0100 > Message-id: <8664avcjqa.fsf@dwp.des.no> Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= wrote: > "Julian H. Stacey" writes: > > One problem: (last I knew), FreeBSD only has a graphical installer, > > not Ascii text mode. So you might need somoene else to install it > > for you. > > On the contrary, FreeBSD does not have and has never had a graphical > installer. Sysinstall is text-based and is rumored to work well with > screen readers. Depends what one means & understand by graphics. There was previous discussuion on topic of FreeBSD installer use by the blind many years back: a short while after Jordan gave us the nice colourful boxed (what I call graphical) installer, a blind person wrote in & asked if there was a plain text installer, his answer was no, get someone else to install. It'll be in webed mail archives. As the BSD installer is not a pixel X11 Xwindows graphics installer, just ascii strings with escape sequences for pcterm/ vt100 whatever, maybe modern blind equipment might cope with (ie ignore) sequences . The cursor does rather jump around during the install, whereas a clasical command line tool does not, so it may be harder to retain everything in human memory though. A near blind German girl (Linux user I think) told me in English long ago: - Braile transducers for the blind cost a fortune, - Did limited mapping of 1 line of 40 chars to a pixel map for fingers. - Braille varies completely between countries (ie far more than just umlauts), so hinders import competition to force price down, so even if Jim Vaglia has a device that copes, it may not be usable for others. A case report from Jim would be interesting, if he can try it, & report back, FreeBSD could document it to web site for next enquirer. Jim, if no luck with the FreeBSD installer, try NetNSD installer. -- Julian Stacey. BSD Unix C Net Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen http://berklix.com Mail Ascii, not HTML. Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. http://berklix.org/free-software From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 25 14:02:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECFF716A401 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:02:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jimjv@verizon.net) Received: from smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.141]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A4A0B13C45E for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:02:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jimjv@verizon.net) Received: (qmail 76562 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2007 14:02:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 2005hp) (jimjv@verizon.net@151.201.224.106 with login) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2007 14:02:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dLhYPhsVM1kE39BsrZk2vCW_AzMGee9HUek5t3w.7NTNH1h7WLO63OXFrFiqeGQmLSvtajPNWxj_QSxWWInWMBNPb_chA8Bz084bdWE.bMEZ.z5hKtt229b5bCMlsJJhzVyD91ZTN.xDz.AgRIoL.SjIgN2Va1pmZEVj Message-ID: <000701c74089$7e9e28a0$2e01a8c0@2005hp> From: "Mr. Jim Vaglia" To: References: <000601c73ea8$92242a60$2e01a8c0@2005hp> <200701251256.l0PCuroY074833@fire.jhs.private> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:02:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:33:41 +0000 Subject: Re: Vision impaired software on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:02:56 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian H. Stacey" To: "Mr. Jim Vaglia" Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 7:56 AM Subject: Re: Vision impaired software on FreeBSD? > "Mr. Jim Vaglia" wrote: >> What assistive technology if any will run on FreeBSD? Is this >> what Mac and Voice Over is based on? Many blind people are mostlikely >> not interested in paying high cost of Windows Vista. Thanks for >> spreading the word among the public if all people with physical >> disabilities and impairments are able to use FreeBSD? Totally, blind >> from birth, totally in the *dark* on this OS. LOL > > One problem: (last I knew), FreeBSD only has a graphical installer, > not Ascii text mode. So you might need somoene else to install it > for you. > > (That's of course doing a standard install off the cdrom or floppy > & net; if you happen to be a Unix expert there are ways of installing > using command line only, eg > installing a spare disk on a PC, installing software, moving > disk to new PC: all of that could be done in single line mode > commands, possibly with one of those Ascii to braille > 40 char. adapters a friend told me of 2 decades back, so might > be possible but tricky. > > Last I heard NetBSD still offers a line mode installer > http://www.netbsd.org > NetBSD has less ported packages than FreeBSD but otherwise is > similar. (well, more similar than eg Linux or Microsoft :-) > > Apart from what Salvatore Albanese just mentioned, (hope you got it, not > cc'd) > > ... It's also possible freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org might have > heard of other hardware. Then again, as NetBSD is more hardware > oriented, those people may have heard of more controllable devices. > > PS for anyone wondering, No, I'm no troll for NetBSD, nearly all > my many machines are FreeBSD, but NetBSD does have some advantages > in some places. > > -- > Julian Stacey. BSD Unix C Net Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen > http://berklix.com > Mail Ascii, not HTML. Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. > http://berklix.org/free-software Didn't receive his responce as not subscribed to the list. While the command line information, was informative, need info on what graphics assistive technology, may run in the free BSDenvironment, however at least developers are aware of the issue? From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 25 14:27:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BDEF16A406 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:27:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jimjv@verizon.net) Received: from smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.140]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 25C6513C448 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:27:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jimjv@verizon.net) Received: (qmail 61337 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2007 14:27:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 2005hp) (jimjv@verizon.net@151.201.224.106 with login) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2007 14:27:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: vVWXvysVM1nQzn_9K_HhhygQ.RHL._LiFzQFzYCVxGRSTfHP.ty.34IrKrZV51nXy9uzvb2hNfAZtG3.J3J7eMqG3SMwTFtECJo8ry1uI9cVavrwKzR6QyEzUEV3mT1HJg-- Message-ID: <000801c7408c$dcd3b6d0$2e01a8c0@2005hp> From: "Mr. Jim Vaglia" To: Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:26:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:34:16 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Free DSB net installer text based interface for vision impaired? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:27:02 -0000 Actually, news to me, the free DSB web site implies the OS is a = graphical user interface. The issue goes further than just installing = the OS but, rather the every day use of the OS, to what I understand the = interface is in-fact graphical? Hope this clarifies my position? From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 25 17:42:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A899D16A401 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:42:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from ca.pugetsoundtechnology.com (ca.pugetsoundtechnology.com [38.99.2.247]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9517C13C4C7 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:42:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from pool-71-123-204-253.dllstx.fios.verizon.net ([71.123.204.253] helo=reedmedia.net) by ca.pugetsoundtechnology.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.54) id 1HA7yT-0007CY-Ju; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:01:21 -0800 Received: from reed@reedmedia.net by reedmedia.net with local (mailout 0.17) id 16194-1169744448; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:01:20 -0600 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:00:48 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: "Julian H. Stacey" In-Reply-To: <200701251256.l0PCuroY074833@fire.jhs.private> Message-ID: References: <000601c73ea8$92242a60$2e01a8c0@2005hp> <200701251256.l0PCuroY074833@fire.jhs.private> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, "Mr. Jim Vaglia" Subject: Re: Vision impaired software on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:42:09 -0000 > Last I heard NetBSD still offers a line mode installer Sorry, its installer (sysinst) also uses a curses-based menu system. Last I heard OpenBSD still offers a line mode installer :) Also, I don't know if it exists, but maybe bsdinstaller.org can quickly provide a simple text-based (no curses) front-end to its BSD Installer. Jeremy C. Reed From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 25 18:39:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D780C16A402 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:39:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dking@ketralnis.com) Received: from ketralnis.com (melchoir.ketralnis.com [68.183.67.83]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 963D913C448 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:39:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dking@ketralnis.com) Received: from [192.168.1.194] (pix.xythos.com [64.154.218.194]) (authenticated bits=0) by ketralnis.com (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l0PI58KH058070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:05:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dking@ketralnis.com) In-Reply-To: <000801c7408c$dcd3b6d0$2e01a8c0@2005hp> References: <000801c7408c$dcd3b6d0$2e01a8c0@2005hp> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <356246F6-AB8C-4996-8FE3-16522A9F9CD0@ketralnis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David King Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:04:50 -0800 To: "Mr. Jim Vaglia" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Free DSB net installer text based interface for vision impaired? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:39:28 -0000 > Actually, news to me, the free DSB web site implies the OS is a > graphical user interface. The issue goes further than just > installing the OS but, rather the every day use of the OS, to what > I understand the interface is in-fact graphical? Hope this > clarifies my position? The OS supports a graphical user interface (called X11), but does not by any stretch require it (it won't even install X11 unless you ask it to) From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 25 17:54:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B26416A405 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:54:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jimjv@verizon.net) Received: from smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.141]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E2DC113C469 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:54:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jimjv@verizon.net) Received: (qmail 94767 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2007 17:54:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 2005hp) (jimjv@verizon.net@151.201.224.106 with login) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2007 17:54:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: yjB4G6kVM1kLQgNDhs_SfNLOlJBQyVAhm9hVNYouFdedAtdZlkdb7NcndWn4MuP.0NBFAaE9GD64hwCfm_bPAVCm1Zb5oO_e203jR46x8Cca2gFpnHIGgQDYHPDntcqWhZ11pES62RJRQoCKJM9EoOqiAERrxcoRYLd61kLQ7vTsGOg- Message-ID: <000501c740a9$e12d46c0$2e01a8c0@2005hp> From: "Mr. Jim Vaglia" To: "Jeremy C. Reed" , "Julian H. Stacey" References: <000601c73ea8$92242a60$2e01a8c0@2005hp> <200701251256.l0PCuroY074833@fire.jhs.private> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:54:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 04:20:14 +0000 Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Vision impaired software on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:54:45 -0000 Thanks, my main reason for inquiring are for pc and Apple manufactures who may be thinking of offering free bsd to Vista and Leppard as a alternative, not really interested in messing up my current configurations unless computer manufactures force a install download of free bsd then will have no choice but to learn the OS. Besides installing I am intrested in the use of talking software in tasks such as managing files on the harddrive with free BSD, reading writing mail, instant messages, playing audio files over the net, the use of these applications under free BSD with assistive technology? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: "Julian H. Stacey" Cc: "Mr. Jim Vaglia" ; Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:00 PM Subject: Re: Vision impaired software on FreeBSD? >> Last I heard NetBSD still offers a line mode installer > > Sorry, its installer (sysinst) also uses a curses-based menu system. > > Last I heard OpenBSD still offers a line mode installer :) > > Also, I don't know if it exists, but maybe bsdinstaller.org can quickly > provide a simple text-based (no curses) front-end to its BSD Installer. > > > Jeremy C. Reed From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 26 13:12:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D78116A406 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:12:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from thin.berklix.org (thin.berklix.org [194.246.123.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8227A13C49D for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:12:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A6567.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.101.103]) (authenticated bits=128) by thin.berklix.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l0QDCEl3005756; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:12:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (fire.jhs.private [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l0QDC5AT053118; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:12:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (localhost.jhs.private [127.0.0.1]) by fire.jhs.private (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l0QDC5e9003658; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:12:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200701261312.l0QDC5e9003658@fire.jhs.private> To: "Mr. Jim Vaglia" In-reply-to: <000501c740a9$e12d46c0$2e01a8c0@2005hp> References: <000601c73ea8$92242a60$2e01a8c0@2005hp> <200701251256.l0PCuroY074833@fire.jhs.private> <000501c740a9$e12d46c0$2e01a8c0@2005hp> Comments: In-reply-to "Mr. Jim Vaglia" message dated "Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:54:36 -0500." Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:12:05 +0100 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Vision impaired software on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:12:19 -0000 "Mr. Jim Vaglia" wrote: > Thanks, my main reason for inquiring are for pc and Apple manufactures who > may be thinking of offering free bsd to Vista and Leppard as a alternative, > not really interested in messing up my current configurations unless > computer manufactures force a install download of free bsd then will have no > choice but to learn the OS. Dead end discussing then ! We don't want to coerce you to use FreeBSD. If your system vendor might coerce you, tell them to advertise support jobs (to help you their customer) on freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org. > Besides installing I am intrested in the use of > talking software in tasks such as managing files on the harddrive with free > BSD, reading writing mail, instant messages, playing audio files over the > net, the use of these applications under free BSD with assistive technology? FreeBSD has 16,000+ ported packages, http://freebsd.org/ports/ First help yourself: Determine precisely manufacturer & model number of your screen equivalent blind output device, & what standards if any it might conform to or emulate. Use a search engine to find if any flavours of BSD or Linux or packages (that would probabbly run on any free OS without great work) might already support your device, (to learn which OS or package users/developers mail list might be best to ask on). Install a spare hard disk, or use partitioner in FreeBSD cdrom /tools/ Try installer, report results with manufacturer & model number. Numerous public domain source developers would surely be prepared to work at various discounts to integrate solutions, if one's not available already. Enquire of any national or international blind group of which you may be a member, or your goverment, if a free public source solution for your device is available, & if not, whether they can jointly raise funds to sponsor development of a blind solution that's public source based, free for all, (if one doesn't already exist). You'r the one with the problem, the undisclosed device, the contacts & the motivation, so if yoy do the arranging, FreeBSD or other public source programmers could certainly develop code. -- Julian Stacey. BSD Unix C Net Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen http://berklix.com Mail Ascii, not HTML. Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. http://berklix.org/free-software From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 27 01:10:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C2DC16A400 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 01:10:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from ca.pugetsoundtechnology.com (ca.pugetsoundtechnology.com [38.99.2.247]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B47F13C46C for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 01:10:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from pool-71-123-204-253.dllstx.fios.verizon.net ([71.123.204.253] helo=reedmedia.net) by ca.pugetsoundtechnology.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.54) id 1HAc5e-0003El-MZ for freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:10:47 -0800 Received: from reed@reedmedia.net by reedmedia.net with local (mailout 0.17) id 1358-1169860212; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:10:43 -0600 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:10:12 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Subject: need contributors for beginning BSD admin study guide book X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 01:10:49 -0000 I am helping write a BSD-licensed, printed book covering beginning BSD administration. Currently, there are over 30 people working on the book which is based on the objectives as published by the BSD Certification Group in the 2005 BSDA Certification Requirements Document (which focuses on BSD Unix system administrators with light to moderate skills). A PDF in book format is periodically generated from this wiki content. It appears most of the writers and reviewers have a FreeBSD background (and half with OpenBSD and around 5% for DragonFly and NetBSD experience). Please visit http://bsdwiki.reedmedia.net/ if you are available to help write or review content. It is a short-term project ending in February. If you have any questions, please let me know. Jeremy C. Reed p.s. Currently there is a writeathon going on now if you want to collaborate via wiki or IRC or email: http://bsdwiki.reedmedia.net/wiki/writeathon.html p.p.s. The latest status report is here: http://bsdwiki.reedmedia.net/wiki/status_report.html