From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 14 10:22:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7969116A408 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:22:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sigexfoundry@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B0D13C481 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:22:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sigexfoundry@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id m19so643973nfc for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 02:22:23 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ntly2D6/+9g3uzmP0jV+MMhlDZE7R+5u+yqM+0wCrBa9JDfdkmE2K2xAeld/u1Cgp3mJ7Uqbv1+HSrqTBPDUyl/amYZ2JJ1T5F6OSiMESpUMlMGd7sl9jxh5yATsNgljtD+RMd8xLjuu1UQK4I8DkQYkrQ/YS50BPvQb1uCYGiI= Received: by 10.48.48.18 with SMTP id v18mr134375nfv.1171448542827; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 02:22:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.60.11 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 02:22:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:22:22 +0200 From: "The Foundry" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: The truth about SigEx Ventures and the SigEx Foundry X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:22:24 -0000 First of all, I'd like to appologise for the noise and for cross-posting. This is my first and last e-mail on this list. As you may have noticed from the subject of the e-mail, I'm about to speak about the SigEx Ventures company, an organisation that appoints itself as the liaison between strategic investors and young tallented people in IT&C. It originates in the US but currently operates in Europe. Specifically in Pau, France. On their website (www.sigex.com, now www.thefoundryschool.tv) they speak fluent Corporatese. I must admit, I'm not a native English speaker, but even so my ear is trained well enough for me to be able to tell spam from ham. They present some glossy products, that nobody ever actually saw working. They're all vaporware. On the same website they speak about fantastic opportunities offered to young talented fellows in the IT&C field, in the shape of internship at their fantastic research centre in Pau. Unfortunately, it's all in the demo because the real deal is nothing like it. There's no such thing as opportunity to work with cutting-edge technologies or leading researchers in the branch. It's all smoke and mirrors. As a former intern there, I feel that the truth should be made available, as neither of their statements really hold true. My best bet is that they attract investors and suck up their cash without ever producing anything. I'm gathering all sorts of information, starting with my own experience, on http://sigexfoundry.blogspot.com. Feel free to read more there. Why am I doing this? There is a term for my action, called whistleblowing. I'd like to underline the fact that I'm by no means affected by SigEx's past or current actions, I went there as an intern for merely satisfying my own curiosity about them. But I know that many of the subscribers of this list are scholars, professors, people with strong positions in the branch, most of which can easily pass as models for younger enthusiasts. They're the ones I'd like this mail to reach. It'd be a real pity if more people suffered from SigEx's dubious practices. Once again, here is the link to the blog: http://sigexfoundry.blogspot.com And, once again, sorry for the noise. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 16 23:30:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 032E216A406 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:30:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lavalamp@spiritual-machines.org) Received: from mail.digitalfreaks.org (arbitor.digitalfreaks.org [216.151.95.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D011B13C4AC for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:30:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lavalamp@spiritual-machines.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.digitalfreaks.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C5C1735A for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:06:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.digitalfreaks.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.digitalfreaks.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21066-18 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:06:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.digitalfreaks.org (mail.digitalfreaks.org [216.151.95.156]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.digitalfreaks.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B541E17348 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:06:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:06:03 -0500 (EST) From: "Brian A. Seklecki" X-X-Sender: lavalamp@arbitor.digitalfreaks.org To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070216180407.U59589@arbitor.digitalfreaks.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.2 Subject: Photos from NYC or EuroBSDCon `06? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:30:52 -0000 There are a few assorted collections around from these events, but nothing comprehensive. Thanks to all who sent me links. It seemed like 1 in 3 persons had a camera with them, so I'm looking for anyone who may have photos from during the speeches. If they are private URLs, please feel free to contact me off-list. Thanks! l8* -lava (Brian A. Seklecki - Pittsburgh, PA, USA) http://www.spiritual-machines.org/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 17 02:23:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC7516A400; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 02:23:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from supernews.unixathome.org (supernews.unixathome.org [216.168.29.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE6413C441; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 02:23:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by supernews.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89D4B1702A; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:23:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from supernews.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (supernews.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UE16iQRbjfm1; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:23:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [74.104.199.163]) by supernews.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9958C1701A; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:23:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.55.0.99] (wocker.unixathome.org [10.55.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F386B8D4; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:23:11 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:23:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <45D620BF.13795.3A6CCD87@dan.langille.org> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: FreshPorts design contest X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 02:23:15 -0000 I am pleased to announce a FreshPorts design contest. The prize? A trip to BSDCan 2007. Included are airfares, accommodation, and entry to BSDCan 2007, up to a value of CAD$1000 (actually, it was announced Jan 30th, but I'm spreading the word) Winner gets a trip to BSDCan 2007. Details here: http://news.freshports.org/2007/01/30/freshports-design-contest/ -- Dan Langille : Software Developer looking for work my resume: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference - http://www.pgcon.org/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 17 03:01:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E27E816A468 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 03:01:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from walkingshadow@grummel.net) Received: from mail1.bytemine.net (mat.bytemine.net [193.41.144.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9358E13C481 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 03:01:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from walkingshadow@grummel.net) Received: from 4be54-4-82-234-154-189.fbx.proxad.net ([82.234.154.189]:13491 helo=mailsvr.my.domain) by mail1.bytemine.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HIFVZ-0007Vy-RP for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 03:41:07 +0100 Received: from [10.0.0.12] (ip-83-99-26-200.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu [83.99.26.200]) by mailsvr.my.domain (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7015456E0 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 03:40:37 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <45D66B3F.6030702@my.domain> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 03:41:03 +0100 From: Jona Joachim User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: sysinstall vs BSD Installer X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 03:01:31 -0000 Hi! There has been a lot of discussion recently about whether sysinstall should be replaced or not. The purpose of sysinstall is to initially install FreeBSD and it serves this purpose quite well. However sysinstall is also the first thing a new user gets to see of FreeBSD. People which are used to shiny Linux Live CDs with Framebuffer boot sequences and all the jewelry are shoked when they are confronted with the ncurses interface and walk away most of the time. This is a pity because you really use the installer once every couple of years and it says nothing about the OS. Would it be worth considering to provide the BSD Installer [1] as an alternate choice to sysinstall for a default FreeBSD installation? I'm sure several people already thought of it and it might be interesting to hear their conclusions. Regards, Jona [1] http://www.bsdinstaller.com/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 17 12:38:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE2016A400 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 12:38:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from thin.berklix.org (thin.berklix.org [194.246.123.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B78C713C4A3 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 12:38:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A5F5C.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.95.92]) (authenticated bits=128) by thin.berklix.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l1HCcNaj090902; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 13:38:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (fire.jhs.private [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1HCcHUL009403; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 13:38:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (localhost.jhs.private [127.0.0.1]) by fire.jhs.private (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1HCdMLK061095; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 13:39:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200702171239.l1HCdMLK061095@fire.jhs.private> To: Jona Joachim From: "Julian Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix C Net Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen User-agent: EXMH http://beedub.com/exmh/ on FreeBSD http://freebsd.org X-URL: http://berklix.com X-Fallback: jhs@mail.brierdr.com, jhs@freebsd.org, jhs@berklix.net In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 17 Feb 2007 03:41:03 +0100." <45D66B3F.6030702@my.domain> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 13:39:22 +0100 Sender: jhs@flat.berklix.net Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sysinstall vs BSD Installer X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 12:38:28 -0000 > Would it be worth considering to provide the BSD Installer [1] as an > alternate choice to sysinstall for a default FreeBSD installation? > I'm sure several people already thought of it and it might be > interesting to hear their conclusions. That would be a decision for release engineers on re@freebsd.org, I'd think they would react: "How many bytes would that cost on boot floppy & cdrom ?" _If_ some space, maybe they might then debate which installer[s]. If you want to make the proposal, re@ would probably want you to analyse space for installer & all libs on each (& which libs were already on boot flop ). It could be there might only be room for a small extra CLI type installer, perhaps like NETBSD had last I looked, & like FreeBSD had pre [libcurses ?] A blind person asked about installers a month ago & I recall similar Q. years back shortly after the curses thing arrived. Back then the answer was: get a sighted person to install it, or if you only have a simple line to braille type adaptor, NetBSD CLI installer (ending with Net not Free installed). -- Julian Stacey. BSD Unix C Net Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen http://berklix.com Mail Ascii, not HTML. Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. Vista of viral Bills ? Escape ! http://berklix.com/free-talk-on-free-software/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 17 21:37:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D3216A400 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:37:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrrelay@juno.com) Received: from m5.nyc.untd.com (m5.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E68413C478 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:37:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrrelay@juno.com) Received: from m5.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m5.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABC7Q54BAP95A22 for (sender ); Sat, 17 Feb 2007 13:10:25 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: R9CnQVXkTy4RC5ELwduHudz1au2mUaRGLrL7g8kl/RCMFiZY2COJdw== Received: (from jrrelay@juno.com) by m5.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id METFN6PH; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 13:09:39 PST To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org,walkingshadow@grummel.net Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 15:09:20 -0600 Message-ID: <20070217.150920.888.0.jrrelay@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 6-7 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: james r relyea X-ContentStamp: 3:5:189599220 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m5.nyc.untd.com|jrrelay@juno.com Cc: Subject: Re: freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 178, Issue 2 -- sysinstall vs BSD Installer X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:37:26 -0000 i would appreciate a new freebsd loading scheme more than a replacement loader. the main annoyance to me is the requirement that freebsd be loaded in a primary partition. i am not familiar with the structure of the freebsd partition or what necessitates use of a primary partition. what i would like could require an overhall of freebsd; however, the few linux variations i have tested allow the linux system to be loaded in any partition whether primary or extended. if i have a disk which has been in use for a while, all of the primary partitions may have been used for other systems, and still have sufficient empty space to accomodate freebsd, but can not load freebsd for lack of a primary partition. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 17 23:18:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C00C516A401 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 23:18:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@bitfreak.org) Received: from mail.twinthornes.com (mail.twinthornes.com [65.75.198.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E1C413C467 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 23:18:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@bitfreak.org) Received: from [10.9.70.4] (pool-72-90-124-58.ptldor.fios.verizon.net [72.90.124.58]) by mail.twinthornes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A2EA89D; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:52:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45D7872A.2020600@bitfreak.org> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:52:26 -0800 From: Darren Pilgrim User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: james r relyea References: <20070217.150920.888.0.jrrelay@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20070217.150920.888.0.jrrelay@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 178, Issue 2 -- sysinstall vs BSD Installer X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 23:18:57 -0000 james r relyea wrote: > i would appreciate a new freebsd loading scheme more than a replacement > loader. the main annoyance to me is the requirement that freebsd be > loaded in a primary partition. i am not familiar with the structure of > the freebsd partition or what necessitates use of a primary partition. > what i would like could require an overhall of freebsd; however, the > few linux variations i have tested allow the linux system to be loaded in > any partition whether primary or extended. Why bother with DOS Extended partitions? The functionality already exists in FreeBSD in the form of nested disk labels. For example: # gpt show /dev/da0s1h start size index contents ... 34 2097152 1 GPT part - FreeBSD UFS/UFS2 2097186 8388608 2 GPT part - FreeBSD UFS/UFS2 ... # ls /dev/da0s1h* /dev/da0s1h /dev/da0s1hp1 /dev/da0s1hp2 # df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on ... /dev/da0s1hp1 1012974 870852 61086 93% /opt/scratch1 /dev/da0s1hp2 4058062 361276 3372142 10% /opt/pkg_build