From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 13 18:01:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9F7B16A400 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:01:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pgiessel@mac.com) Received: from maru.leela.ws (209-193-28-35-cdsl-rb1.jnu.acsalaska.net [209.193.28.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4733D13C45D for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:01:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pgiessel@mac.com) Received: from [192.168.0.249] ([158.145.111.132]) (authenticated bits=0) by maru.leela.ws (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2DHYbo6074322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:34:40 GMT (envelope-from pgiessel@mac.com) Message-ID: <45F6E0AB.1080105@mac.com> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 09:34:35 -0800 From: "Peter A. Giessel" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.8.0.10) Gecko/20070221 Thunderbird/1.5.0.10 Mnenhy/0.7.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:01:48 -0000 Dell is actually asking what Linux Distro to install, but if enough of us ask for preinstalled FreeBSD, it might get them thinking about FreeBSD and looking into providing support and especially drivers in the future. It can't hurt anyway :) http://www.dell.com/linuxsurvey P.S., feel free to CC me as I'm not subscribed to this list. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 13 18:08:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89AFB16A403 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:08:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scott@sremick.net) Received: from out5.smtp.messagingengine.com (out5.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571A313C468 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:08:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scott@sremick.net) Received: from out1.internal (unknown [10.202.2.149]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D6181F816D for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat2.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.161]) by out1.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:49:02 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: pKQAS+Z0I8U8dSKDxP8kDIco2eRt9jcmUfp2yygqe2TM 1173808142 Received: from [10.185.6.114] (unknown [65.213.7.6]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16AB33D18 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <45F6E40D.2010609@sremick.net> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:49:01 -0400 From: "Scott I. Remick" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.10) Gecko/20070221 Thunderbird/1.5.0.10 Mnenhy/0.7.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Dell Linux survey X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:08:14 -0000 Due to the positive response they've gotten regarding people wanting systems pre-installed with Linux, Dell has put a survey up: http://www.dell.com/linuxsurvey FreeBSD users might want to fill out the survey and at the end, choose "other" for the distribution enter "FreeBSD". Can't hurt :) From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 13 19:57:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFCC916A403 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:57:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toomany@toomany.net) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.239]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 442BD13C465 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:57:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toomany@toomany.net) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id q50so1443346wrq for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:57:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.25.3 with SMTP id 3mr2569033way.1173814377016; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.77.12 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:32:51 +0100 From: "TooMany Secrets" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <45F6E0AB.1080105@mac.com> Subject: Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:57:50 -0000 Sorry for the top-posting, but only one "to" was added, and wasn't this list. 2007/3/13, Peter A. Giessel : > Dell is actually asking what Linux Distro to install, but if enough of us > ask for preinstalled FreeBSD, it might get them thinking about FreeBSD and > looking into providing support and especially drivers in the future. Well... I was put a suggestion for FreeBSD, but thank's to my bad english the most possible could be that anybody was read my "suggestion". -- Have a nice day ;-) TooManySecrets http://www.toomany.net ============================ Nine megs for the secretaries fair, Seven megs for the hackers scarce, Five megs for the grads in smoky lairs, Three megs for system source; One disk to rule them all, One disk to bind them, One disk to hold the files And in the darkness grind 'em. ============================ -- Have a nice day ;-) TooManySecrets ============================ Nine megs for the secretaries fair, Seven megs for the hackers scarce, Five megs for the grads in smoky lairs, Three megs for system source; One disk to rule them all, One disk to bind them, One disk to hold the files And in the darkness grind 'em. ============================ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 13 20:28:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A045016A513 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:28:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from thin.berklix.org (thin.berklix.org [194.246.123.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6F9A13C4AD for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:28:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A5333.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.83.51]) (authenticated bits=128) by thin.berklix.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2DKSRVa087834 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:28:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (fire.jhs.private [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2DKSLUW004156 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:28:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (localhost.jhs.private [127.0.0.1]) by fire.jhs.private (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2DKSN8E085575 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:28:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200703132028.l2DKSN8E085575@fire.jhs.private> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org From: "Julian Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix C Net Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen User-agent: EXMH http://beedub.com/exmh/ on FreeBSD http://freebsd.org X-URL: http://berklix.com X-Fallback: jhs@mail.brierdr.com, jhs@freebsd.org, jhs@berklix.net In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:32:51 +0100." Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:28:23 +0100 Sender: jhs@flat.berklix.net Subject: Re: Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:28:32 -0000 > 2007/3/13, Peter A. Giessel : > > Dell is actually asking what Linux Distro to install, but if enough of us > > ask for preinstalled FreeBSD, it might get them thinking about FreeBSD and > > looking into providing support and especially drivers in the future. Tue Mar 13 21:28:11 CET 2007 That URL http://www.dell.com/linuxsurvey results in: http://www.dell.com/content/topics/survey.aspx/ss?ssid=OeAjvuto67E~&s=corp We have encountered a problem while processing the page you requested. If you experience any technical problems with your shopping experience at dell.com, please contact one of our trained sales representatives at 1-800-WWW-DELL to quickly complete your transaction. Or contact us about the problem you have encountered. -- Julian Stacey. BSD Unix C Net Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen http://berklix.com Mail Ascii, not HTML. Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. Vista of viral Bills ? Escape ! http://berklix.com/free-talk-on-free-software/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 13 21:29:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D33E16A408 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:29:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.240]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AED513C487 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:29:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c24so1898035ana for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:29:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=G4NMJTSDr6txJCjwg21QC2IJr/2aDZQmlF65uwxkloRDBnzPSDlmUMa1ANaIsmmH0y4rdGB1uVD28t0v/5C4Q+1ucmt/+Pdm9Ueiul13rhYqJhCOAQh5C0o6rgjCEPBTQ+1TWqTo1Ku7zOYgauF+8Vh9i4dVqa5rrWln2XJEFmU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sgu+NiZChpL3tIJB37EobGwnkXSedGtDhitWLF6UPlTO3GH9zniIJ2Z7uDYX6vAjhO8FNVdaKfKRqwKG/mVf8qMTv3+KFa/cU0XqfA5ewvDTBVDv4CBmwG0LEzWFXflUGhdr3AffDdKc37sblCoOGMhTY9yUC3xOzdmoDo4UkaY= Received: by 10.100.125.5 with SMTP id x5mr1310706anc.1173820981573; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.109.12 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:23:01 -0500 From: "Nikolas Britton" To: "Julian Stacey" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200703132028.l2DKSN8E085575@fire.jhs.private> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:29:51 -0000 On 3/13/07, Nikolas Britton wrote: > On 3/13/07, Julian Stacey wrote: > > > 2007/3/13, Peter A. Giessel : > > > > Dell is actually asking what Linux Distro to install, but if enough of us > > > > ask for preinstalled FreeBSD, it might get them thinking about FreeBSD and > > > > looking into providing support and especially drivers in the future. > > > > Tue Mar 13 21:28:11 CET 2007 > > That URL http://www.dell.com/linuxsurvey > > results in: > > > > http://www.dell.com/content/topics/survey.aspx/ss?ssid=OeAjvuto67E~&s=corp > > We have encountered a problem while processing the page you requested. > > If you experience any technical problems with your shopping experience > > at dell.com, please contact one of our trained sales representatives > > at 1-800-WWW-DELL to quickly complete your transaction. Or contact > > us about the problem you have encountered. > > > > Their website is being slashdotted right now. When you do finally get > to the survey select "Community Supported: Ubuntu" for the last > question. Ubuntu is based on Debian... Debian in many respects is > equivalent to FreeBSD. > Also... For question 2 "Which systems should we prioritize on for Linux factory installation?" Put all of the notebooks at highest priority. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 13 21:45:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C56EC16A401 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:45:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.242]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A7F13C45D for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:45:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c24so1903271ana for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:45:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=iuGCO8a8rWKJ0I9F2he9FOk3yxzy8K627imSFz9l5e0QcuNHL74eOwQZ3RtqXzw8QcwPabHcG93FGKs9uXZoQ1DeVrg6dVjFTsdnXkz97uiYUldOquSHVWp/qH6NS0iSzRjIMY3WY861YHUcMSRb61/JKbuqVUA0VT2V02njft0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kyx5eaNTLVDFPAB0fVkJqye5NEYGIDrf++Dg6RqK+L/RDYPtaYcNvC1cTjZM2KOdAYuqhNJTzfMaNhmoG4PeScu769qGV9fpmI6kUrWArk7IhsM9u8X2GfR9CwBUcv/3c8uQsaM/kruA50l4Nw6TwLb1/W+JVeIXjnAbQFtA1gI= Received: by 10.100.178.7 with SMTP id a7mr1300999anf.1173820677873; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:17:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.109.12 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:17:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:17:57 -0500 From: "Nikolas Britton" To: "Julian Stacey" In-Reply-To: <200703132028.l2DKSN8E085575@fire.jhs.private> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200703132028.l2DKSN8E085575@fire.jhs.private> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:45:23 -0000 On 3/13/07, Julian Stacey wrote: > > 2007/3/13, Peter A. Giessel : > > > Dell is actually asking what Linux Distro to install, but if enough of us > > > ask for preinstalled FreeBSD, it might get them thinking about FreeBSD and > > > looking into providing support and especially drivers in the future. > > Tue Mar 13 21:28:11 CET 2007 > That URL http://www.dell.com/linuxsurvey > results in: > > http://www.dell.com/content/topics/survey.aspx/ss?ssid=OeAjvuto67E~&s=corp > We have encountered a problem while processing the page you requested. > If you experience any technical problems with your shopping experience > at dell.com, please contact one of our trained sales representatives > at 1-800-WWW-DELL to quickly complete your transaction. Or contact > us about the problem you have encountered. > Their website is being slashdotted right now. When you do finally get to the survey select "Community Supported: Ubuntu" for the last question. Ubuntu is based on Debian... Debian in many respects is equivalent to FreeBSD. 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Wed, 14 Mar 2007 02:45:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.249]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410D413C457 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 02:45:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c24so24447ana for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:45:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QoRtsGLqz5j8rMF7bacLTdKOxFGfco/zq0EzxdQ8k0JrUq995bM+Ok3pAk4zHPUAHPC9qxS6ZJ010WWVZOixaCyqHekmpxu6dOD7d8jU3LOtWu8zr68qHrRg1QlK0WyaS4EwxzscXBQpp5t3oAirWbcTQiaKddB6L32Ikjx0Tz4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BndCk9oiGpW6IyVDykOi/2jJygFxCEMOZNbUHUnlmYrqoNAYqBVWohOT9eeUroH4QdIxvDjtLu3Bz6uXGstiiIv3bZ0qHptuEYEHwPCeBMSs9qBQ/Ha35F+kS+8npq6htRVlFkmjaj0Nv5i5WRGFRiJ/eK5Rt3Qd0KgfOkps0ck= Received: by 10.100.37.4 with SMTP id k4mr1457774ank.1173840351480; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:45:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.109.12 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:45:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:45:51 -0500 From: "Nikolas Britton" To: "Warren Myers" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200703132028.l2DKSN8E085575@fire.jhs.private> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 02:45:54 -0000 On 3/13/07, Warren Myers wrote: > I was under the impression that of the Linuces out there, Slackware was most > BSD-ish? How is Debian like BSD? > That sounds about right, though I've only used Slackware once, a long long long time ago. The question asks: 6) Which Linux distribution should Dell prioritize on? a Commercial: Novell/SuSE Linux Desktop. b Commercial: Red Hat Enterprise Desktop. c Community Supported: Fedora. d Community Supported: OpenSUSE. e Community Supported: Ubuntu. f Other. >From the choices available Ubuntu is the only one developed and maintained by individuals with no commercial backing. The Ubuntu / Debian relationship would be equivalent to PC-BSD / FreeBSD. Umm and last time I checked FreeBSD wasn't a Linux distribution so writing in FreeBSD for option f is not applicable, you could write-in Slackware though. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 14 11:09:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C41816A403 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:09:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B7FF13C43E for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:09:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220C22085; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:40:09 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Tests: AWL X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: 0.0/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on tim.des.no Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by tim.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 117862049; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:40:09 +0100 (CET) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id EA065B88E; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:40:08 +0100 (CET) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) To: "Nikolas Britton" References: <200703132028.l2DKSN8E085575@fire.jhs.private> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:40:08 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Nikolas Britton's message of "Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:45:51 -0500") Message-ID: <864poo5cs7.fsf@dwp.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:09:31 -0000 "Nikolas Britton" writes: > From the choices available Ubuntu is the only one developed and > maintained by individuals with no commercial backing. Ubuntu is developed and maintained by Canonical Ltd. (see http://www.canonical.com/projects/ubuntu). DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 14 13:12:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E0B816A409 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:12:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tim1timau@yahoo.com) Received: from web50309.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web50309.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.242]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A5CF313C465 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:12:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tim1timau@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 26322 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Mar 2007 12:46:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0jetx7TbRExJIoPDrsGhEsFfLM0UYbOQP2OmEc88OcaRlBRD7DgTQEnvYIe/nJvZRcaaCyWJAJinbSYTTb+3GTPasiNlp3LipAx02Eml7ptZvMDGnDVnsEM2o+d5Q+ywwCKdXCHI1LjYnCfOU0EqscOPQ4QH3j5V5edk8HWOUYk= ; Message-ID: <20070314124606.26320.qmail@web50309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: OZL.KgQVM1kDm2OKfO3912wfG4tqp3uPS.4TTHRlu0qhwSO2OqjI2Y9M1fHzAX7DbpfbZLYW43RPmKH4omVeLVCTi44hQ5M1FaUboeWk9hGpcYKBdlhIP8f_L_N6RYfp0B_FfKk8Y8Wrc8Nu.M8LeYMGvw-- Received: from [124.243.181.145] by web50309.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 05:46:06 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 05:46:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Clewlow To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <45F6E0AB.1080105@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:12:47 -0000 --- "Peter A. Giessel" wrote: > Dell is actually asking what Linux Distro to install, but if enough of us > ask for preinstalled FreeBSD, it might get them thinking about FreeBSD and > looking into providing support and especially drivers in the future. > > It can't hurt anyway :) > > http://www.dell.com/linuxsurvey > > P.S., feel free to CC me as I'm not subscribed to this list. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I believe the point of the OP is to raise awareness of FreeBSD in the dell survey - so choosing option f and then typing in FreeBSD would seem to be the way to do this. My 2c, Tim ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 14 13:34:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C9F816A401 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:34:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from salvatore@oems.ch) Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-08.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAB9313C4B7 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:34:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from salvatore@oems.ch) Received: from oemspc03 (212.98.44.96) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.073) id 45D16057004611C4; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:34:36 +0100 Message-ID: <158b01c7663d$8b8bed70$212aa8c0@oemspc03> From: "Salvatore Albanese" To: References: <20070314120014.7F97316A47C@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:34:49 +0100 Organization: OEMS Sagl MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Cc: pgiessel@mac.com Subject: Dell Servers I have installed X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:34:38 -0000 Greetings all, I have been known to give new life to Dell Customers, after migrating thier old W2K servers to FreeBSD, with Samba, this makes a fine File Server with execellent Security. Dell PowerEdge 1500SC, Intel Pentium III 1.2GHz, Tualatin 512 L2 cache, Intel Mainboard P2300, 512MB RAM, 36GB HDD SCSI U160 HotSwap Seagate ST336706LC, LG CD-ROM CDR-8482B EIDE, Standard Floppy Drive 1.44MB 3.5", RAGE XL PCI 4MB RAM, Seagate DAT 4mm DDS-4 Streamer 20-40GB SCSI, Intel Pro/1000 Network adaptor, Swiss Keyboard, Logitech wheel mouse, 17" SVGA, APC Smart_UPS 700VA FreeBSD v. 6.0 installation, with Samba v2.2.12, Physical Partitions /dev/ad0s1a /dev/ad0s1f /dev/ad0s1g /dev/ad0s1e Logical Partitions / /dev/ad0s1a 512MB swap /tmp /dev/ad0s1f 2048MB /var /dev/ad0s1g 512MB /usr /dev/ad0s1e 29789MB I make makes all home folders in the /usr partition. once every three months I check the server, and I give it a clean Bill of Health. So far so good It have been up for two years now, and the client is very happy. another ex Microsoft client who is very happy they did not have to make a mojor investment to buy new hardware and Win2003 server. What more can I say? Salvatore Albanese Sr. Consultant OEMS Sagl CP 210 6576 Gerra (Gambarogno) TI Switzerland Tel +41 91 859 0730 Fax +41 91 859 0731 E-mail info@oems.ch Web www.oems.ch Skype name: oems_sagl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 1:00 PM Subject: freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 181, Issue 1 > Send freebsd-advocacy mailing list submissions to > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > freebsd-advocacy-request@freebsd.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > freebsd-advocacy-owner@freebsd.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of freebsd-advocacy digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall (Peter A. Giessel) > 2. Dell Linux survey (Scott I. Remick) > 3. Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall (TooMany Secrets) > 4. Re: Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall > (Julian Stacey) > 5. Re: Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall > (Nikolas Britton) > 6. Re: Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall > (Nikolas Britton) > 7. Re: Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall (Warren Myers) > 8. Re: Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall > (Nikolas Britton) > 9. Re: Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall > (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav ) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 09:34:35 -0800 > From: "Peter A. Giessel" > Subject: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall > To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <45F6E0AB.1080105@mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Dell is actually asking what Linux Distro to install, but if enough of us > ask for preinstalled FreeBSD, it might get them thinking about FreeBSD and > looking into providing support and especially drivers in the future. > > It can't hurt anyway :) > > http://www.dell.com/linuxsurvey > > P.S., feel free to CC me as I'm not subscribed to this list. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:49:01 -0400 > From: "Scott I. Remick" > Subject: Dell Linux survey > To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <45F6E40D.2010609@sremick.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Due to the positive response they've gotten regarding people wanting > systems pre-installed with Linux, Dell has put a survey up: > > http://www.dell.com/linuxsurvey > > FreeBSD users might want to fill out the survey and at the end, choose > "other" for the distribution enter "FreeBSD". Can't hurt :) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:32:51 +0100 > From: "TooMany Secrets" > Subject: Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall > To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Sorry for the top-posting, but only one "to" was added, and wasn't this > list. > > 2007/3/13, Peter A. Giessel : >> Dell is actually asking what Linux Distro to install, but if enough of us >> ask for preinstalled FreeBSD, it might get them thinking about FreeBSD >> and >> looking into providing support and especially drivers in the future. > > Well... I was put a suggestion for FreeBSD, but thank's to my bad > english the most possible could be that anybody was read my > "suggestion". > > -- > Have a nice day ;-) > TooManySecrets > http://www.toomany.net > > ============================ > Nine megs for the secretaries fair, > Seven megs for the hackers scarce, > Five megs for the grads in smoky lairs, > Three megs for system source; > > One disk to rule them all, > One disk to bind them, > One disk to hold the files > And in the darkness grind 'em. > ============================ > > > -- > Have a nice day ;-) > TooManySecrets > > ============================ > Nine megs for the secretaries fair, > Seven megs for the hackers scarce, > Five megs for the grads in smoky lairs, > Three megs for system source; > > One disk to rule them all, > One disk to bind them, > One disk to hold the files > And in the darkness grind 'em. > ============================ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:28:23 +0100 > From: "Julian Stacey" > Subject: Re: Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall > To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <200703132028.l2DKSN8E085575@fire.jhs.private> > >> 2007/3/13, Peter A. Giessel : >> > Dell is actually asking what Linux Distro to install, but if enough of >> > us >> > ask for preinstalled FreeBSD, it might get them thinking about FreeBSD >> > and >> > looking into providing support and especially drivers in the future. > > Tue Mar 13 21:28:11 CET 2007 > That URL http://www.dell.com/linuxsurvey > results in: > > http://www.dell.com/content/topics/survey.aspx/ss?ssid=OeAjvuto67E~&s=corp > We have encountered a problem while processing the page you requested. > If you experience any technical problems with your shopping experience > at dell.com, please contact one of our trained sales representatives > at 1-800-WWW-DELL to quickly complete your transaction. Or contact > us about the problem you have encountered. > > -- > Julian Stacey. BSD Unix C Net Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen > http://berklix.com > Mail Ascii, not HTML. Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. > Vista of viral Bills ? Escape ! > http://berklix.com/free-talk-on-free-software/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:23:01 -0500 > From: "Nikolas Britton" > Subject: Re: Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall > To: "Julian Stacey" > Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 3/13/07, Nikolas Britton wrote: >> On 3/13/07, Julian Stacey wrote: >> > > 2007/3/13, Peter A. Giessel : >> > > > Dell is actually asking what Linux Distro to install, but if enough >> > > > of us >> > > > ask for preinstalled FreeBSD, it might get them thinking about >> > > > FreeBSD and >> > > > looking into providing support and especially drivers in the >> > > > future. >> > >> > Tue Mar 13 21:28:11 CET 2007 >> > That URL http://www.dell.com/linuxsurvey >> > results in: >> > >> > http://www.dell.com/content/topics/survey.aspx/ss?ssid=OeAjvuto67E~&s=corp >> > We have encountered a problem while processing the page you requested. >> > If you experience any technical problems with your shopping experience >> > at dell.com, please contact one of our trained sales representatives >> > at 1-800-WWW-DELL to quickly complete your transaction. Or contact >> > us about the problem you have encountered. >> > >> >> Their website is being slashdotted right now. When you do finally get >> to the survey select "Community Supported: Ubuntu" for the last >> question. Ubuntu is based on Debian... Debian in many respects is >> equivalent to FreeBSD. >> > > Also... For question 2 "Which systems should we prioritize on for > Linux factory installation?" Put all of the notebooks at highest > priority. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:17:57 -0500 > From: "Nikolas Britton" > Subject: Re: Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall > To: "Julian Stacey" > Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 3/13/07, Julian Stacey wrote: >> > 2007/3/13, Peter A. Giessel : >> > > Dell is actually asking what Linux Distro to install, but if enough >> > > of us >> > > ask for preinstalled FreeBSD, it might get them thinking about >> > > FreeBSD and >> > > looking into providing support and especially drivers in the future. >> >> Tue Mar 13 21:28:11 CET 2007 >> That URL http://www.dell.com/linuxsurvey >> results in: >> >> http://www.dell.com/content/topics/survey.aspx/ss?ssid=OeAjvuto67E~&s=corp >> We have encountered a problem while processing the page you requested. >> If you experience any technical problems with your shopping experience >> at dell.com, please contact one of our trained sales representatives >> at 1-800-WWW-DELL to quickly complete your transaction. Or contact >> us about the problem you have encountered. >> > > Their website is being slashdotted right now. When you do finally get > to the survey select "Community Supported: Ubuntu" for the last > question. Ubuntu is based on Debian... Debian in many respects is > equivalent to FreeBSD. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:29:46 -0400 > From: "Warren Myers" > Subject: Re: Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall > To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed > > I was under the impression that of the Linuces out there, Slackware was > most > BSD-ish? How is Debian like BSD? > > WMM > > On 3/13/07, Nikolas Britton wrote: >> >> On 3/13/07, Julian Stacey wrote: >> > > 2007/3/13, Peter A. Giessel : >> > > > Dell is actually asking what Linux Distro to install, but if enough >> of us >> > > > ask for preinstalled FreeBSD, it might get them thinking about >> FreeBSD and >> > > > looking into providing support and especially drivers in the >> > > > future. >> > >> > Tue Mar 13 21:28:11 CET 2007 >> > That URL http://www.dell.com/linuxsurvey >> > results in: >> > >> > >> http://www.dell.com/content/topics/survey.aspx/ss?ssid=OeAjvuto67E~&s=corp >> > We have encountered a problem while processing the page you requested. >> > If you experience any technical problems with your shopping experience >> > at dell.com, please contact one of our trained sales representatives >> > at 1-800-WWW-DELL to quickly complete your transaction. Or contact >> > us about the problem you have encountered. >> > >> >> Their website is being slashdotted right now. When you do finally get >> to the survey select "Community Supported: Ubuntu" for the last >> question. Ubuntu is based on Debian... Debian in many respects is >> equivalent to FreeBSD. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org >> " >> > > > > -- > http://warrenmyers.com > "God may not play dice with the universe, but something strange is going > on > with the prime numbers." --Paul Erdõs > "It's not possible. We are the type of people who have everything in our > favor going against us." --Ben Jarhvi, Short Circuit 2 > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:45:51 -0500 > From: "Nikolas Britton" > Subject: Re: Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall > To: "Warren Myers" > Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 3/13/07, Warren Myers wrote: >> I was under the impression that of the Linuces out there, Slackware was >> most >> BSD-ish? How is Debian like BSD? >> > > That sounds about right, though I've only used Slackware once, a long > long long time ago. The question asks: > > 6) Which Linux distribution should Dell prioritize on? > a Commercial: Novell/SuSE Linux Desktop. > b Commercial: Red Hat Enterprise Desktop. > c Community Supported: Fedora. > d Community Supported: OpenSUSE. > e Community Supported: Ubuntu. > f Other. > >>From the choices available Ubuntu is the only one developed and > maintained by individuals with no commercial backing. The Ubuntu / > Debian relationship would be equivalent to PC-BSD / FreeBSD. Umm and > last time I checked FreeBSD wasn't a Linux distribution so writing in > FreeBSD for option f is not applicable, you could write-in Slackware > though. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:40:08 +0100 > From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav ) > Subject: Re: Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall > To: "Nikolas Britton" > Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <864poo5cs7.fsf@dwp.des.no> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > "Nikolas Britton" writes: >> From the choices available Ubuntu is the only one developed and >> maintained by individuals with no commercial backing. > > Ubuntu is developed and maintained by Canonical Ltd. (see > http://www.canonical.com/projects/ubuntu). > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Smørgrav - des@des.no > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > End of freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 181, Issue 1 > ************************************************ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 14 14:47:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B0B216A407 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:47:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3422813C44B for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:47:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c24so211258ana for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 07:47:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RJHNRnkNECy4tlz0owBOwtJpaXNO5ZoKGMUXsQ/dPWGY2pdkmysHoouMLt2istvO/LCpoREaEL792J7UKr3kgNa/Sn689QdWX+wVwxmbGXdoTYnq4BoQJDY7p5KBrX3FsAJv4T/vLbNyAxMO5uEN+f6S5DuvpSLOppdeQjIJLsU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZiESkKPY6ghCl8IDI4hTB9v/13e47tXqXDYF13QTWcDWALvR8PDwGOYhWaayRMtadPCIWCZlbx0TrA71qIygxXo9FNfnDA5QpaNuX5Zc46eoJKOn5+bRHuifakvqJCCpJahnzJVytZGrW7nP0CHfuvgaPEPH3KGfhVSqEagjfgY= Received: by 10.100.9.19 with SMTP id 19mr1970431ani.1173883624366; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 07:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.109.12 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 07:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:47:04 -0500 From: "Nikolas Britton" To: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=" In-Reply-To: <864poo5cs7.fsf@dwp.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200703132028.l2DKSN8E085575@fire.jhs.private> <864poo5cs7.fsf@dwp.des.no> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:47:05 -0000 On 3/14/07, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > "Nikolas Britton" writes: > > From the choices available Ubuntu is the only one developed and > > maintained by individuals with no commercial backing. > > Ubuntu is developed and maintained by Canonical Ltd. (see > http://www.canonical.com/projects/ubuntu). > "The Debian Project is an association of individuals who have made common cause to create a free operating system. This operating system that we have created is called Debian GNU/Linux, or simply Debian for short." "Debian was begun in August 1993 by Ian Murdock, as a new distribution which would be made openly, in the spirit of Linux and GNU. Debian was meant to be carefully and conscientiously put together, and to be maintained and supported with similar care. It started as a small, tightly-knit group of Free Software hackers, and gradually grew to become a large, well-organized community of developers and users." http://www.debian.org/intro/about From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 14 15:13:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E78FA16A402 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:13:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A258413C480 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:13:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22D30207E; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:12:45 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Tests: AWL X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: 0.0/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on tim.des.no Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by tim.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 111E92049; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:12:45 +0100 (CET) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id F2DC6B88E; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:12:44 +0100 (CET) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) To: "Nikolas Britton" References: <200703132028.l2DKSN8E085575@fire.jhs.private> <864poo5cs7.fsf@dwp.des.no> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:12:44 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Nikolas Britton's message of "Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:47:04 -0500") Message-ID: <86odmv505v.fsf@dwp.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:13:13 -0000 "Nikolas Britton" writes: > Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav writes: > > "Nikolas Britton" writes: > > > From the choices available Ubuntu is the only one developed and > > > maintained by individuals with no commercial backing. > > Ubuntu is developed and maintained by Canonical Ltd. (see > > http://www.canonical.com/projects/ubuntu). > "The Debian Project is an association of individuals who have made > common cause to create a free operating system. This operating system > that we have created is called Debian GNU/Linux, or simply Debian for > short." Ubuntu is not Debian. It is a derivative of Debian maintained by a commercial entity. The only difference between Canonical and RedHat or Novell in that respect is that Canonical charge only for support, not for the software. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 14 15:18:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E1716A401 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:18:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.247]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B6813C45D for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:18:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c24so223284ana for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:18:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Hq7AbkLbcufZo+CLY9mcQgcAZYldBwvIfAMtR09ouesiyhVV4zDCqIv7SQ/iFkwFNOfql0bjNaX/ywScQTkXp1OAC5EwY/pfwwmDJ2Jp/8DWGQN38GEzwmz/BIPeCrsoDxete5DRmadwOtRXFz5kQQ/cUNyMA0VpfOkQd+DAObg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pJbf6TrNxNQvCnHVLw05nvE5ZVWnAjWo/7wbT9SumFUe2tqdBc0g8k3wEIAwp6y6Mih/aXE4Q+NYWbph8oCkFygmut8FT9dTjdLwGSyzMRXKhIp0B9wtplabEhs+88UJLYXkx1Mf9pQSy1bp4NHdGAHQd1lJxsfSIQPfrmkqsts= Received: by 10.100.164.14 with SMTP id m14mr2025790ane.1173885504365; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:18:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.109.12 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:18:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:18:24 -0500 From: "Nikolas Britton" To: "Tim Clewlow" In-Reply-To: <20070314124606.26320.qmail@web50309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <45F6E0AB.1080105@mac.com> <20070314124606.26320.qmail@web50309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:18:25 -0000 On 3/14/07, Tim Clewlow wrote: > > --- "Peter A. Giessel" wrote: > > > Dell is actually asking what Linux Distro to install, but if enough of us > > ask for preinstalled FreeBSD, it might get them thinking about FreeBSD and > > looking into providing support and especially drivers in the future. > > > > It can't hurt anyway :) > > > > http://www.dell.com/linuxsurvey > > > > > > I believe the point of the OP is to raise awareness of FreeBSD in the dell > survey - so choosing option f and then typing in FreeBSD would seem to be the > way to do this. > > Wrong time wrong place. Not voting for Ubuntu/Debian is the same as voting against it. In this respect it can hurt us very much. Why throw away your vote when you could vote for a group with the same philosophical and political views as us? You need to realize that the survey statistician is going to throw out the votes for FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 14 15:50:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8141B16A400 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:50:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A2F513C489 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:50:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id q50so222118wrq for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:50:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=RCvo1qOknK/LQtSKhuDG6u8+DhUaZgS23BYH1DVrJUqw71CUTeqskwDtZmboB11WiCXy4ocpkL2oSLIx5ZBd3Htd97LCh7f7fsGFelqk042AqmIOP9Kry4+m56/z2QqYlcuTaDwH71lB5oBQSbiqBG0p6g1H/XnPydtyuK+zdzg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=XGaIHah3rNXARda8qpzNJkRXeb8TqmFUZ8GjScG6Nfm39adlZ8b4srNwqk8xCZu1VeBZaHhRxXH60IdEX0hxfUtl3PK9fS/f2mLE0bLsczha7rLWVzD168tpCltaHIxEmx0eCs9ZyBvILI+BZayFb8E+B8IuervRHQbCQ8Qio0k= Received: by 10.114.167.2 with SMTP id p2mr2923806wae.1173885876952; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:24:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.201.2 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:24:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:24:36 +0300 From: "Andrew Pantyukhin" Sender: infofarmer@gmail.com To: "Nikolas Britton" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <45F6E0AB.1080105@mac.com> <20070314124606.26320.qmail@web50309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1a7723b89dccd583 Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:50:30 -0000 On 3/14/07, Nikolas Britton wrote: > Wrong time wrong place. Not voting for Ubuntu/Debian is the same as > voting against it. In this respect it can hurt us very much. Why throw > away your vote when you could vote for a group with the same > philosophical and political views as us? You need to realize that the > survey statistician is going to throw out the votes for FreeBSD. Do you think it's the right time and place (the freebsd-advocacy mailing list) to advise people to vote for Ubuntu instead of FreeBSD? :) From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 14 16:24:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A71A16A401 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:24:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBDB013C43E for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:24:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 71so636188ugh for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:24:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GVWJ7X65fLwKXMGrOzpNANwW1rTZJCZNZe3V5rNjsCoCnA5p5ggIa/d7EmAwfRDDcggF39YB+5lYOPkimbXFsoqMao15ESnj8m5HsKMe76jRQkzBKCW7A1MBaY7iTGlU+s/HCw05tCFUSwW83EB6lgDkF2gaXj64B4CzAB3GDNw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lM1koP89FEd0Q9Zafb2bKI8dqZvEzuADAHwCmBcVdr1XVjzo8wNVd6VqsBUCTv6sfkwb3bWv2hkqpO8JukNk3XfyopdauQDnFPDtxIMlq6dmoQ/oRQOwLc9BUritTKTGu78liE1walo5S5+7tjHAcvXi5d+yAhZS/YSqAbr6H1g= Received: by 10.115.33.1 with SMTP id l1mr2953413waj.1173887707983; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.56.10 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8a0028260703140855o6b0529f6oad4e351d2ab2205a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:55:07 +0000 From: "Jeff Rollin" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <8a0028260703140853p271363c7m27e8089a3a18cee3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <45F6E0AB.1080105@mac.com> <20070314124606.26320.qmail@web50309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8a0028260703140853p271363c7m27e8089a3a18cee3@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:24:16 -0000 On 14/03/07, Andrew Pantyukhin wrote: > On 3/14/07, Nikolas Britton wrote: > > Wrong time wrong place. Not voting for Ubuntu/Debian is the same as > > voting against it. In this respect it can hurt us very much. Why throw > > away your vote when you could vote for a group with the same > > philosophical and political views as us? You need to realize that the > > survey statistician is going to throw out the votes for FreeBSD. > > Do you think it's the right time and place (the > freebsd-advocacy mailing list) to advise people > to vote for Ubuntu instead of FreeBSD? :) I'm not Nikolas, but let me say why *I* think it's the right place: If we all vote for Ubuntu, then we increase our chances of getting hardware that isn't proprietary in the sense of "only having drivers for MSWin". Also, we avoid the Microsoft tax and can put FreeBSD on it when we get it. I know that I, for instance, would probably find fault with SOMETHING the Dell installers installed whether they chose my favourite OS/distro or not. Jeff -- Q: What will happen in the Aftermath? A: Impossible to tell, since we're still in the Beforemath. http://latedeveloper.org.uk From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 14 17:10:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4941F16A400 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:10:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kjelderg@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C852B13C487 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:10:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kjelderg@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k27so292542nfc for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:09:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=scuNmO2p7szy8yZVmrWCZ2KcN6MweO9UWFmNZqCGp7hAgqAdzGdWT9UccMrxlujDD3K+cBgmN1iU39W/kS6/XtVi7QnkXwDi2wQnPaogYbWctpM+v3KzQWlPKkdKv67R3UuUkhUkleEaBaTtdDNmTS3IMBvVxXajDOWmJ7fOIPc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=QFLuM4TB2qXgNC6lZvRhVtNT0N/pvAiNd6K2IT1XgieLZwdt15obcez4rVc1CsjN1JEQyJLCLBomKkD+odD/4tam6TxRrMCc57Ia4AZVgkDJ6Y8ygjRTP8Ka/pjxEqu1oyek5/WM2TExsm8VBlcTEsygf2GL41xxhDjaA1MFfkk= Received: by 10.78.166.7 with SMTP id o7mr692328hue.1173890565930; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:42:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.13.1 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:42:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:42:45 -0500 From: "Eric Kjeldergaard" To: "Jeff Rollin" In-Reply-To: <8a0028260703140855o6b0529f6oad4e351d2ab2205a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <45F6E0AB.1080105@mac.com> <20070314124606.26320.qmail@web50309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8a0028260703140853p271363c7m27e8089a3a18cee3@mail.gmail.com> <8a0028260703140855o6b0529f6oad4e351d2ab2205a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:10:01 -0000 On 14/03/07, Jeff Rollin wrote: > > On 14/03/07, Andrew Pantyukhin wrote: > > On 3/14/07, Nikolas Britton wrote: > > > Wrong time wrong place. Not voting for Ubuntu/Debian is the same as > > > voting against it. In this respect it can hurt us very much. Why throw > > > away your vote when you could vote for a group with the same > > > philosophical and political views as us? You need to realize that the > > > survey statistician is going to throw out the votes for FreeBSD. > > > > Do you think it's the right time and place (the > > freebsd-advocacy mailing list) to advise people > > to vote for Ubuntu instead of FreeBSD? :) > > I'm not Nikolas, but let me say why *I* think it's the right place: If > we all vote for Ubuntu, then we increase our chances of getting > hardware that isn't proprietary in the sense of "only having drivers > for MSWin". Also, we avoid the Microsoft tax and can put FreeBSD on it > when we get it. The issue here isn't "a linux or no linux", though, it's _which_ linux to support. So no matter what the outcome of the survey, linux drivers will be made. (That is with the possible exception of an overwhelming majority representing FreeBSD where they would potentially then consider FreeBSD drivers.) For those of us using FreeBSD, there's not a substantial advantage to proprietary linux drivers over proprietary Windows drivers. We go unsupported either way. -- If I write a sig emails are personalised people are made happy From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 14 17:16:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A14616A402 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:16:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emailrob@emailrob.com) Received: from green.dls.net (green.dls.net [209.242.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1560E13C469 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:16:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emailrob@emailrob.com) Received: from emailrob.com (216-145-235-198.rev.dls.net [216.145.235.198]) by green.dls.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C67C411DDC for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:44:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <45F826A6.5040604@emailrob.com> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:45:26 +0000 From: spellberg_robert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fbsd_advocacy References: <45F6E0AB.1080105@mac.com> <20070314124606.26320.qmail@web50309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:16:38 -0000 Nikolas Britton wrote: [ snip ] > .... You need to realize that the > survey statistician is going to throw out the votes for FreeBSD. probably true. it is well known that surveys can be intentionally constructed to produce results that "confirm" the survey company's client's desired outcome. i do not know that this is the case here; rather, i am stating my suspicion of surveys and polls in general, including the ones taken on election day [ i'm from chicago ]. dell is flakking linux because "linux" is the b_school buzzword of which non_geek_aware managers are aware. i am not being disparaging of managers; it's just the way things are. rather than fooling around with this survey method, has any --sufficiently_senior-- freebsd person written to dell, inc. directly, right to the top of the company, businessman to businessman, using snail_mail, proposing that freebsd be added to their list of options? if, as i believe, freebsd is a superior product compared to the linuces and if, as i believe, freebsd is a lower cost product as well, then the freebsd os ought to sell itself. if freebsd is better and cheaper than all of the alternatives, then dell, inc. should be making freebsd its default non_doze os [ for those who prefer a non_doze os ], simply because it's a sound business decision. in addition to this, have any of we serfs thought to write to dell, inc. directly, using snail_mail, using letterhead, if we've got it, telling them about how much work it is to remove the pre_installed [ insert your favorite os name here ] system and install freebsd in its place [ after all, that --is-- what we're doing, isn't it ? ], because it is better at/for [ insert your reason list here ]? has anyone thought of telling them how many --more-- of their pre_fab boxen or 'topen we would buy, for in_house use or resale, if only we didn't have to do so much work [ after all, time --is-- money, isn't it ? ]? everybody and their grandmother in lower_slobovia has email these days. email can be filtered; it might not get there from here. because so few people use snail_mail for correspondencs anymore, it has acquired the desirable characteristic of "punch". it has to be handled. just a thought. rob From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 14 17:27:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 339CA16A401 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:27:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5D613C4BA for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:27:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 71so656778ugh for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:27:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WqOiTRHUeJWVMAfoOkP8juUSTNu0BO0ZA8qMwsrVtUgklaAAnyPwfftcRNKXMxK+hrNVIeJMdLJeGAfdFDTDAs1PH9q1yJht6wMWRgdX55Wvl/Uhwl7axlIhVY5+0sQlQd6E1D+mgk8qmaJNSZpssBdxxy2AZIe/li0fywO/jlI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZrZnSeAZxG3mI6WYOTnjDVrm8cEuVWj9EupOXoSaOz9zLf68ONCL2+7GjUCSnkxdB+z15YrLbr4eM1XAZp//bnMLGXAkPItfW9coc1n8pMz8kEMcbhHklEn7nERQkqAvF0WpcxQxQkctmaefiws6nt62XfbfxQdBnnJ7noewUFo= Received: by 10.114.131.2 with SMTP id e2mr3007381wad.1173893216466; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:26:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.56.10 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:26:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8a0028260703141026m3896b353y541a3d4ee4fb5d1d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:26:56 +0000 From: "Jeff Rollin" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <8a0028260703141010t27295633l73424cd7ea789a12@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <45F6E0AB.1080105@mac.com> <20070314124606.26320.qmail@web50309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8a0028260703140853p271363c7m27e8089a3a18cee3@mail.gmail.com> <8a0028260703140855o6b0529f6oad4e351d2ab2205a@mail.gmail.com> <8a0028260703141010t27295633l73424cd7ea789a12@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:27:03 -0000 On 14/03/07, Eric Kjeldergaard wrote: > drivers.) For those of us using FreeBSD, there's not a substantial > advantage to proprietary linux drivers over proprietary Windows drivers. We > go unsupported either way. > > Hmm, well I would hope that they would use hardware with open source drivers only, in which case, yes, FreeBSD would be able to take advantage. Even if, say, the OSD's are GPL'ed, that would at least allow BSD users to inquire as to the specs from the OSD developers. Jeff -- Q: What will happen in the Aftermath? A: Impossible to tell, since we're still in the Beforemath. http://latedeveloper.org.uk -- Q: What will happen in the Aftermath? A: Impossible to tell, since we're still in the Beforemath. http://latedeveloper.org.uk From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 14 18:30:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3950C16A402 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:30:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD14113C455 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:30:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c24so292710ana for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:30:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UKsNxWAAXhQiIvwaCCU6pciUCEEkdmXjGEXtbP5wP8VYoFZiYsjNTohgHxBXNCMHbDbNpwBUvjhBLCAdMzhJwdcyv8YUQPivWUR5zh/zSZ5N5ECIBSIbfdlP403+Qe6oetJtcxCjI1oOIOtNhS9F6d8J03+++d3mtm2feqq5hKA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eu80G3QZaeTzPXjZRa6ElSwc0TJAHfX91Vl7ALBwNpPoa4PIHPDb6A4LvVHG+TEQayYmJdTJweMopgSH3TKSneEFfECFYTQKkRCZ20u3hZvb0MSOCJwFRQ8IVpKexxJkk7043CrPU5YYPugIwE5LbxH+B0Z6a4sZaYNEHfa2BT8= Received: by 10.100.112.19 with SMTP id k19mr2230002anc.1173896999967; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.109.12 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:29:59 -0500 From: "Nikolas Britton" To: "Jeff Rollin" In-Reply-To: <8a0028260703141026m3896b353y541a3d4ee4fb5d1d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <45F6E0AB.1080105@mac.com> <20070314124606.26320.qmail@web50309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8a0028260703140853p271363c7m27e8089a3a18cee3@mail.gmail.com> <8a0028260703140855o6b0529f6oad4e351d2ab2205a@mail.gmail.com> <8a0028260703141010t27295633l73424cd7ea789a12@mail.gmail.com> <8a0028260703141026m3896b353y541a3d4ee4fb5d1d@mail.gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:30:01 -0000 On 3/14/07, Jeff Rollin wrote: > On 14/03/07, Eric Kjeldergaard wrote: > > > drivers.) For those of us using FreeBSD, there's not a substantial > > advantage to proprietary linux drivers over proprietary Windows drivers. We > > go unsupported either way. > > > > > Hmm, well I would hope that they would use hardware with open source > drivers only, in which case, yes, FreeBSD would be able to take > advantage. Even if, say, the OSD's are GPL'ed, that would at least > allow BSD users to inquire as to the specs from the OSD developers. > Yes I agree with everything you've said Jeff... There is one Linux distribution where developers will go out of there way to remove binary blobs and that is Debian, Ubuntu is a tad bit more neutral but I don't think it matters. If Ubuntu/Debian developers prefer open drivers you can be sure Dell will do what it can to make it happen. With million dollar OEM contracts on the line Dell can pressure any company into releasing open driver documentation, this benefits FreeBSD directly. Choose your battles wisely. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 14 18:41:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1FA16A401 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:41:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nicole@unixgirl.com) Received: from web51808.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51808.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.239]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C44F013C46C for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:41:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nicole@unixgirl.com) Received: (qmail 87357 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Mar 2007 18:15:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20070314181508.87355.qmail@web51808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: JcjM5ooVM1n57r3MZ2B6O0bRyQqUPY20F5_xLa8gLyCI0Ha9qSzcZLldFsCJtVFwd0kU.e897ARdcLbA2NH0ULCBAjb74HRpEehAK.rIcz4GJVm0Z9e6CgE5medavWiMqk6h2n9NR0jHIbeMBxhOw1jDBGFqHFwCQwM82fODMT8a Received: from [67.112.21.26] by web51808.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:15:07 PDT X-RocketYMMF: blabgoo Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:15:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicole To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: Re: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nicole@unixgirl.com List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:41:49 -0000 --- Nikolas Britton wrote: > On 3/14/07, Tim Clewlow wrote: > > > > --- "Peter A. Giessel" wrote: > > > > > Dell is actually asking what Linux Distro to install, but if > enough of us > > > ask for preinstalled FreeBSD, it might get them thinking about > FreeBSD and > > > looking into providing support and especially drivers in the > future. > > > > > > It can't hurt anyway :) > > > > > > http://www.dell.com/linuxsurvey > > > > > > > > > > I believe the point of the OP is to raise awareness of FreeBSD in > the dell > > survey - so choosing option f and then typing in FreeBSD would seem > to be the > > way to do this. > > > > > > Wrong time wrong place. Not voting for Ubuntu/Debian is the same as > voting against it. In this respect it can hurt us very much. Why > throw > away your vote when you could vote for a group with the same > philosophical and political views as us? You need to realize that the > survey statistician is going to throw out the votes for FreeBSD. That is a totally defeatist belief. The only votes any statistician will "throw out" are the small anomolies. So yes, if FreeBSD is 1% of the votes, then yes it "may" get tossed. But then, if all of us only equal 1% or some small percentage, I would not consider any votes you make for some linux to statistically matter either. *Warning standing on soap box* FreeBSD has become a 3rd class OS because long ago it was decided Linux support was still open software support and FreeBSD never pressed for driver support or more awareness in general. Because FreeBSD has such a do it our-self attitude, it has become more unknown within companies. Heck, I often find better support within FreeBSD for products that "do not officially support FreeBSD" than I do with their "official" drivers. Why? Because we are not well known enough and FreeBSD user companies do not demand "official support". Which propagates the problem, since all you see on supported OS pages are sometimes everything but FreeBSD. So there is even less exposure. Yet we have great support for that product! So Vote FreeBSD! Get the word out. Make it the Write-in candidate! Or, just vote for some linux and hope that we can tag along.... *steps off soap box* Nicole From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 14 22:14:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EBD216A40B for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:14:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tim1timau@yahoo.com) Received: from web50304.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web50304.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E46C713C45A for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:14:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tim1timau@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 79882 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Mar 2007 22:14:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Q8FWezxjJFdf/aGSMP+egt64LOg5MQoY0GksDGnX/hxvL47huzonAHJizJ0qDuOICFh+f4qBlc9q3Ufq+LoFttThnApWBo3GUOtijCeZgrhBL5HBsSN4znFXjOxGufdWbJv1P3v5wMCBiG9op5RvYzx2PwSc70qUEnynmljmE14= ; Message-ID: <20070314221439.79880.qmail@web50304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: gbzoiUQVM1kTe38pdw2iMATzZuviu6gMRPpjC24F Received: from [124.243.181.145] by web50304.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:14:38 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:14:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Clewlow To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <8a0028260703141026m3896b353y541a3d4ee4fb5d1d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:14:40 -0000 --- Jeff Rollin wrote: > On 14/03/07, Eric Kjeldergaard wrote: > > > drivers.) For those of us using FreeBSD, there's not a substantial > > advantage to proprietary linux drivers over proprietary Windows drivers. > We > > go unsupported either way. > > > > > Hmm, well I would hope that they would use hardware with open source > drivers only, in which case, yes, FreeBSD would be able to take > advantage. Even if, say, the OSD's are GPL'ed, that would at least > allow BSD users to inquire as to the specs from the OSD developers. > > Jeff > -- > The survey is asking "What OS do you want pre-installed?" - it is not asking "Do you want open source drivers". If we choose an OS that "might" be able to get the binary globs removed and use the source instead, then in my opinion, we are playing games with the survey that may not actually end up with us getting something we can use in FreeBSD. By contrast, if enough people vote for FreeBSD, then dell might actually offer to install FreeBSD. If this happens then we have two major benefits: 1. An advocate in the form of a major computer supplier including FreeBSD in its sales/promotional material, 2. A strong ally who will presumably assist in convincing device manufacturers to release their driver source code, or necessary specs to write the drivers. Tim. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 14 22:50:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D751416A400 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:50:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93BF313C43E for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:50:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c24so369492ana for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:50:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ppVenzfFDvN+8sNczjAPMXhg2yoeaH+3Ki3tK/uoHvnqJbtD2SVvXJlO/pS3CHQ4cyuHAQ82qZl4QJOAfsLNdg6oiuGqzmyW9NBuwnlbjcCdg4Qyli9oRFge9v28VBQmKgCTq8BcLD3eq9KX8KeRgtvKk5lVFIwt+Zj9HTcy6mU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GL5UtyHGk375kk43x+1bJZqSzGIplprWNMH/I8OOP3/jglzOcjKFQGE/5CVr7QOG31s13RM9SSQo8GMj1hhsI0ywsr2CEgkWDYzYm4VSy9pVnJOb9t06Rp2kMOINU6325KfhnWKlLqCXIUDFbnJguaMDP4kpQr7XNpVfQRi53yE= Received: by 10.100.107.2 with SMTP id f2mr2623547anc.1173912622471; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.109.12 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:50:22 -0500 From: "Nikolas Britton" To: "Tim Clewlow" In-Reply-To: <20070314221439.79880.qmail@web50304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8a0028260703141026m3896b353y541a3d4ee4fb5d1d@mail.gmail.com> <20070314221439.79880.qmail@web50304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:50:23 -0000 On 3/14/07, Tim Clewlow wrote: > > --- Jeff Rollin wrote: > > > On 14/03/07, Eric Kjeldergaard wrote: > > > > > drivers.) For those of us using FreeBSD, there's not a substantial > > > advantage to proprietary linux drivers over proprietary Windows drivers. > > We > > > go unsupported either way. > > > > > > > > Hmm, well I would hope that they would use hardware with open source > > drivers only, in which case, yes, FreeBSD would be able to take > > advantage. Even if, say, the OSD's are GPL'ed, that would at least > > allow BSD users to inquire as to the specs from the OSD developers. > > > > Jeff > > -- > > > > The survey is asking "What OS do you want pre-installed?" - it is not asking > "Do you want open source drivers". If we choose an OS that "might" be able to > get the binary globs removed and use the source instead, then in my opinion, we > are playing games with the survey that may not actually end up with us getting > something we can use in FreeBSD. > > By contrast, if enough people vote for FreeBSD, then dell might actually offer > to install FreeBSD. > Stop right there. Dell has already decided to go with Linux and they've stated "we can only support one distribution", this survey is to decide which distribution gets preinstalled and supported. I repeat, the decision to go with Linux has already been made, get this through your heads and stop barking up the wrong tree! If you want FreeBSD preinstalled then go to this tree and bark it up: http://www.dellideastorm.com/article/show/62466/FreeBSD_or_BSD_support From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 15 00:59:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A30B16A404 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 00:59:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from walkingshadow@grummel.net) Received: from mail1.bytemine.net (mat.bytemine.net [193.41.144.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B3813C46C for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 00:59:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from walkingshadow@grummel.net) Received: from 4be54-4-82-234-154-189.fbx.proxad.net ([82.234.154.189]:8667 helo=mailsvr.my.domain) by mail1.bytemine.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HReJ6-0003WG-Ht; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:59:06 +0100 Received: from localhost (unknown [192.168.0.11]) by mailsvr.my.domain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A117456E0; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 02:00:15 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:58:57 +0100 From: Jona Joachim To: "Nikolas Britton" Message-ID: <20070315015857.038a8821@localhost> In-Reply-To: References: <8a0028260703141026m3896b353y541a3d4ee4fb5d1d@mail.gmail.com> <20070314221439.79880.qmail@web50304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.8.1 (GTK+ 2.10.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) X-Face: &>dujC`JZV!}?Y^1"%N{x!f+rW}; PX\_Cg[!|MA~tn3ebIKM|~p=,,U~YJt,Exd`Spk.1Ln zg, Q]0=:!/LTs-eg.Fz, @giLyD'D=s, L\-AJyZ8tcV`kPifedMA@rhoEikoo~K%@iDLNq2?aHZjIt) GqBY7o#9+8j/uuXDVG3`XFEH_4$T%._*%;|vIaP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_n/.Kw7h3BbB/v+xK46GD8L0"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 00:59:10 -0000 --Sig_n/.Kw7h3BbB/v+xK46GD8L0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:50:22 -0500 "Nikolas Britton" wrote: > On 3/14/07, Tim Clewlow wrote: > > > > --- Jeff Rollin wrote: > > > > > On 14/03/07, Eric Kjeldergaard wrote: > > > > > > > drivers.) For those of us using FreeBSD, there's not a > > > > substantial advantage to proprietary linux drivers over > > > > proprietary Windows drivers. > > > We > > > > go unsupported either way. > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, well I would hope that they would use hardware with open > > > source drivers only, in which case, yes, FreeBSD would be able to > > > take advantage. Even if, say, the OSD's are GPL'ed, that would at > > > least allow BSD users to inquire as to the specs from the OSD > > > developers. > > > > > > Jeff > > > -- > > > > > > > The survey is asking "What OS do you want pre-installed?" - it is > > not asking "Do you want open source drivers". If we choose an OS > > that "might" be able to get the binary globs removed and use the > > source instead, then in my opinion, we are playing games with the > > survey that may not actually end up with us getting something we > > can use in FreeBSD. > > > > By contrast, if enough people vote for FreeBSD, then dell might > > actually offer to install FreeBSD. > > >=20 > Stop right there. Dell has already decided to go with Linux and You can buy Dell Notebooks with FreeDOS preinstalled. Last time I checked FreeDOS was not a Linux distro. I can't see why you say that FreeBSD resembles Debian so much. If I were to choose a Linux distro which is somewhat like FreeBSD I'd say Gentoo but anyway there's no point to it. Ubuntu is going to win the survey anyway. However there is a point in voting for FreeBSD. There is hardware that is more or less well supported under Linux but not yet as well supported under FreeBSD (ipw3945 for example). If Dell see that a lot of FreeBSD users are interested in their products they may want to choose hardware that is well supported under most open source operating systems, not only Linux. This brings them new customers for little effort. Greetings, Jona --=20 "I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and tell you that you are free." Eris, Goddess Of Chaos, Discord & Confusion --Sig_n/.Kw7h3BbB/v+xK46GD8L0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFF+JpRB0JBR/6d8XQRAuUeAJ4tsyHvIaQpjlXcbQzYjAzx/U3gOwCgoDGR PNv2QfZyyHIhcf15QmieUXo= =t3Si -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_n/.Kw7h3BbB/v+xK46GD8L0-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 15 02:11:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ABDB16A406 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 02:11:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tim1timau@yahoo.com) Received: from web50306.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web50306.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.60]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AE82A13C45A for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 02:11:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tim1timau@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 20139 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Mar 2007 02:11:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QhmyaQ9tj67UPjYrP+9PtpniKfI7fJnXVthiAKlDcZfcoqRL9wC4dU7o08cLmGFVtXdTe5kxtcagJig2fdDZcbLlWmDxMxEh9qSqvJW97ioapyzpzjDfvMpWiqxmTsLkFuV8AscA0TcYdhAYD3n8ApoFeSF/SqOevWVarcDZ688= ; Message-ID: <20070315021127.20137.qmail@web50306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 1LMaMgUVM1n7guSujf87lq5xBDkGgiDMhc3QfOUc Received: from [124.243.181.145] by web50306.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:11:26 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:11:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Clewlow To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Pre-installing in general X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 02:11:28 -0000 Hello, The discussion on Dell's survery about pre-installing a Linux distro has made me think of a slightly different approach. Rather than being prompted by things like a survey, maybe we should be more pro-active. Are there any groups in the FreeBSD community actively going to manufacturers and offering to assist them with instructions/information on how to include FreeBSD as a pre-installed option. Perhaps if we go to manufacturers and offer to hold their hand and walk them through every step necessary to make pre-installing FreeBSD as simple as possible, then who knows what will happen? If we offer to do the work for them, so they have to do as little as possible, then they might turn around and say, great, we would love to have another pre-install option. Just a thought, Tim. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 15 16:00:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCCF216A402 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:00:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shannon@widomaker.com) Received: from wilma.widomaker.com (wilma.widomaker.com [204.17.220.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F0F913C455 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:00:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shannon@widomaker.com) Received: from [69.72.100.1] (helo=escape.goid.lan) by wilma.widomaker.com with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HRrg5-00099V-00 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:15:42 -0400 Received: from daydream.goid.lan (IDENT:1000@daydream.goid.lan [192.168.1.10]) by escape.goid.lan (8.13.5.20060614/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l2FFFeLX025546 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:15:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:15:39 -0400 From: Charles Shannon Hendrix To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070315111539.02b962ef@daydream.goid.lan> In-Reply-To: <20070315015857.038a8821@localhost> References: <8a0028260703141026m3896b353y541a3d4ee4fb5d1d@mail.gmail.com> <20070314221439.79880.qmail@web50304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070315015857.038a8821@localhost> Organization: Big Endian X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.8.0 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i486-slackware-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:00:27 -0000 On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:58:57 +0100 Jona Joachim wrote: > On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:50:22 -0500 > "Nikolas Britton" wrote: > > > On 3/14/07, Tim Clewlow wrote: > > > > > > --- Jeff Rollin wrote: > > > > > > > On 14/03/07, Eric Kjeldergaard wrote: > > > > > > > > > drivers.) For those of us using FreeBSD, there's not a > > > > > substantial advantage to proprietary linux drivers over > > > > > proprietary Windows drivers. > > > > We > > > > > go unsupported either way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, well I would hope that they would use hardware with open > > > > source drivers only, in which case, yes, FreeBSD would be able to > > > > take advantage. Even if, say, the OSD's are GPL'ed, that would at > > > > least allow BSD users to inquire as to the specs from the OSD > > > > developers. > > > > > > > > Jeff > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > The survey is asking "What OS do you want pre-installed?" - it is > > > not asking "Do you want open source drivers". If we choose an OS > > > that "might" be able to get the binary globs removed and use the > > > source instead, then in my opinion, we are playing games with the > > > survey that may not actually end up with us getting something we > > > can use in FreeBSD. > > > > > > By contrast, if enough people vote for FreeBSD, then dell might > > > actually offer to install FreeBSD. > > > > > > > Stop right there. Dell has already decided to go with Linux and > > You can buy Dell Notebooks with FreeDOS preinstalled. Last time I > checked FreeDOS was not a Linux distro. > I can't see why you say that FreeBSD resembles Debian so much. If I > were to choose a Linux distro which is somewhat like FreeBSD I'd say > Gentoo but anyway there's no point to it. > Ubuntu is going to win the survey anyway. However there is a point in > voting for FreeBSD. There is hardware that is more or less well > supported under Linux but not yet as well supported under FreeBSD > (ipw3945 for example). If Dell see that a lot of FreeBSD users are > interested in their products they may want to choose hardware that is > well supported under most open source operating systems, not only > Linux. This brings them new customers for little effort. FreeBSD, on a good day with the wind at its back, is going to be a fractional percentage of their user base. They resisted supporting Linux despite heavy use among their customer base for over 10 years. A better idea would be to write to them separately about FreeBSD, and to tell them how you use FreeBSD with their hardware already. Maintenance of a Dell FreeBSD FAQ would probably do more to show them that there is demand than hijacking an unrelated survey. -- shannon | The grieving lords take ship. With these our very souls | pass overseas. | -- Exile From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 15 19:43:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C928516A402 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:43:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from server.baldwin.cx (66-23-211-162.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.211.162]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AEDE13C448 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:43:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost.corp.yahoo.com (john@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2FJCYFF091571; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:12:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:01:52 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <45F6E0AB.1080105@mac.com> <8a0028260703141010t27295633l73424cd7ea789a12@mail.gmail.com> <8a0028260703141026m3896b353y541a3d4ee4fb5d1d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8a0028260703141026m3896b353y541a3d4ee4fb5d1d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200703151501.52662.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (server.baldwin.cx [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:12:34 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.3/2841/Thu Mar 15 06:11:45 2007 on server.baldwin.cx X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on server.baldwin.cx Cc: Subject: Re: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:43:19 -0000 On Wednesday 14 March 2007 13:26, Jeff Rollin wrote: > On 14/03/07, Eric Kjeldergaard wrote: > > > drivers.) For those of us using FreeBSD, there's not a substantial > > advantage to proprietary linux drivers over proprietary Windows drivers. We > > go unsupported either way. > > > > > Hmm, well I would hope that they would use hardware with open source > drivers only, in which case, yes, FreeBSD would be able to take > advantage. Even if, say, the OSD's are GPL'ed, that would at least > allow BSD users to inquire as to the specs from the OSD developers. Not really. Some open source drivers are developed under NDA's where the driver author can get the spec, but they can't share it. There are several drivers in FreeBSD where this is the case in fact. Porting a driver from another OS when that driver just uses magic numbers all over the place like many Linux drivers do can be a royal pain as well. -- John Baldwin From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 16 01:47:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2467916A402 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 01:47:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jason@dixongroup.net) Received: from mx1.dixongroup.net (mx1.dixongroup.net [38.98.104.248]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DE6A13C458 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 01:47:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jason@dixongroup.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.dixongroup.net [127.0.0.1]) by mail.dixongroup.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A359203C for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.dixongroup.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.dixongroup.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13573-02 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.9] (pool-151-196-11-192.balt.east.verizon.net [151.196.11.192]) by mail.dixongroup.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9BB592038 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org From: Jason Dixon Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:19:29 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at dixongroup.net Subject: Announcing the MetaBUG X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 01:47:12 -0000 We are officially announcing the MetaBUG, a global BSD users group dedicated to the advocacy of BSD. The goals of MetaBUG are: - Foster inter-BUG relations to increase unity in the BSD community - Increase awareness of user groups - Share resources, materials, and information to promote BSD - Distribute live feeds of speaker presentations - Assist in starting or growing local BUGs - Provide a BSD user group for users with no local BUG access One of the most interesting features will be video streams of member presentations. This allows us to offer audio/video streams of live presentations to users around the globe. If your BSD user group is interested in collaborating with other BUGs, or you're a user without access to your own local group, join the talk@metabug.org mailing list. For more details, please visit http://metabug.org/ or send your questions to info@metabug.org. Thanks, -- Jason Dixon DixonGroup Consulting http://www.dixongroup.net From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 17 01:49:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200A316A400 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 01:49:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from walkingshadow@grummel.net) Received: from mail1.bytemine.net (mat.bytemine.net [193.41.144.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A0A13C455 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 01:49:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from walkingshadow@grummel.net) Received: from 4be54-4-82-234-154-189.fbx.proxad.net ([82.234.154.189]:40518 helo=mailsvr.my.domain) by mail1.bytemine.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HSO32-000218-FO for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 02:49:33 +0100 Received: from localhost (unknown [192.168.0.11]) by mailsvr.my.domain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C33B456E0 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 02:50:42 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 02:49:23 +0100 From: Jona Joachim To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070317024923.6d035a41@localhost> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.8.1 (GTK+ 2.10.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) X-Face: &>dujC`JZV!}?Y^1"%N{x!f+rW}; PX\_Cg[!|MA~tn3ebIKM|~p=,,U~YJt,Exd`Spk.1Ln zg, Q]0=:!/LTs-eg.Fz, @giLyD'D=s, L\-AJyZ8tcV`kPifedMA@rhoEikoo~K%@iDLNq2?aHZjIt) GqBY7o#9+8j/uuXDVG3`XFEH_4$T%._*%;|vIaP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_RDJ1G15a=ej6rnEMTvUgFFm"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Subject: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 01:49:37 -0000 --Sig_RDJ1G15a=ej6rnEMTvUgFFm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! I heard of the "Stop the Blob" campaign led by allBSD [1] today. The FreeBSD logo is used in their flyer [2] which means that the FreeBSD Project is supporting the campaign. However FreeBSD uses binary blobs (even includes them in the source tree), notably those provided by Atheros and NVIDIA. Including third party code in the main tree of FreeBSD makes the project depend on the organization providing the software. On top of that there is a big security concern. The FreeBSD developers have absolutely no idea about how well and how secure the code provided by these companies is written. Not later than October last year a huge security hole was discovered in NVIDIA blob drivers permitting to acquire root privileges [3]. Would it be possible to clarify the position of the project regarding proprietary drivers? Best regards, Jona [1] http://www.allbsd.de/en/ [2] http://misc.allbsd.de/Kampagnen/NoBlob/NoBlob-en-Poster.jpg [3] http://download2.rapid7.com/r7-0025/ --=20 "I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and tell you that you are free." Eris, Goddess Of Chaos, Discord & Confusion --Sig_RDJ1G15a=ej6rnEMTvUgFFm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFF+0kjB0JBR/6d8XQRAmAvAKCphUdRI74fj+4u5/njx0J8WPi+UQCeLdl9 MNpOjO1qAIgN3+OAGQ4Q2ZY= =LC9g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_RDJ1G15a=ej6rnEMTvUgFFm-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 17 18:14:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC42A16A404 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 18:14:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C68113C4E9 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 18:14:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 897F8207E; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:14:33 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Tests: AWL X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: 0.0/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on tim.des.no Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by tim.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74E222049; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:14:33 +0100 (CET) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E4178B80C; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:14:32 +0100 (CET) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) To: Jona Joachim References: <20070317024923.6d035a41@localhost> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:14:32 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20070317024923.6d035a41@localhost> (Jona Joachim's message of "Sat, 17 Mar 2007 02:49:23 +0100") Message-ID: <86k5xf91pz.fsf@dwp.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 18:14:37 -0000 Jona Joachim writes: > I heard of the "Stop the Blob" campaign led by allBSD [1] today. > The FreeBSD logo is used in their flyer [2] which means that the > FreeBSD Project is supporting the campaign. I don't see a FreeBSD logo there. All I see is the BSD daemon, which is a common mascot for all BSD derivatives. The FreeBSD logo is here: DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 17 19:54:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35B7316A400 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:54:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from walkingshadow@grummel.net) Received: from mail1.bytemine.net (mat.bytemine.net [193.41.144.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8BBC13C4B0 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:54:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from walkingshadow@grummel.net) Received: from 4be54-4-82-234-154-189.fbx.proxad.net ([82.234.154.189]:18928 helo=mailsvr.my.domain) by mail1.bytemine.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HSeyW-0003D0-C6; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:54:00 +0100 Received: from localhost (unknown [192.168.0.11]) by mailsvr.my.domain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53A9B456E0; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:55:08 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:53:50 +0100 From: Jona Joachim To: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?UTF-8?B?U23DuHJncmF2?=) Message-ID: <20070317205350.70f6ecf1@localhost> In-Reply-To: <86k5xf91pz.fsf@dwp.des.no> References: <20070317024923.6d035a41@localhost> <86k5xf91pz.fsf@dwp.des.no> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.8.1 (GTK+ 2.10.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) X-Face: &>dujC`JZV!}?Y^1"%N{x!f+rW}; PX\_Cg[!|MA~tn3ebIKM|~p=,,U~YJt,Exd`Spk.1Ln zg, Q]0=:!/LTs-eg.Fz, @giLyD'D=s, L\-AJyZ8tcV`kPifedMA@rhoEikoo~K%@iDLNq2?aHZjIt) GqBY7o#9+8j/uuXDVG3`XFEH_4$T%._*%;|vIaP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_C.vTppHNX0RnphAya=GxZUN"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:54:01 -0000 --Sig_C.vTppHNX0RnphAya=GxZUN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:14:32 +0100 des@des.no (Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav) wrote: > Jona Joachim writes: > > I heard of the "Stop the Blob" campaign led by allBSD [1] today. > > The FreeBSD logo is used in their flyer [2] which means that the > > FreeBSD Project is supporting the campaign. >=20 > I don't see a FreeBSD logo there. All I see is the BSD daemon, which > is a common mascot for all BSD derivatives. The FreeBSD logo is here: > You have to scroll to the bottom of the flyer. I hope this is not too much of an effort. http://misc.allbsd.de/Kampagnen/NoBlob/NoBlob-en-Poster.jpg Jona --=20 "I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and tell you that you are free." Eris, Goddess Of Chaos, Discord & Confusion --Sig_C.vTppHNX0RnphAya=GxZUN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFF/EdOB0JBR/6d8XQRAo85AKCnGU3Xz7Zs6OhcGgwoDFLUz9C46wCgjq2f FTptiu6266piMO+KVHVhQug= =z26a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_C.vTppHNX0RnphAya=GxZUN-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 17 20:25:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 438C416A403 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:25:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0434E13C4BC for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:25:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D24C2091; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:25:22 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Tests: AWL X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: 0.0/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on tim.des.no Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by tim.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 409312085; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:25:22 +0100 (CET) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1859AB80C; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:25:22 +0100 (CET) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) To: Jona Joachim References: <20070317024923.6d035a41@localhost> <86k5xf91pz.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070317205350.70f6ecf1@localhost> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:25:21 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20070317205350.70f6ecf1@localhost> (Jona Joachim's message of "Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:53:50 +0100") Message-ID: <86ejnn39e6.fsf@dwp.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:25:26 -0000 Jona Joachim writes: > Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav writes: > > Jona Joachim writes: > > > I heard of the "Stop the Blob" campaign led by allBSD [1] today. > > > The FreeBSD logo is used in their flyer [2] which means that the > > > FreeBSD Project is supporting the campaign. > > I don't see a FreeBSD logo there. All I see is the BSD daemon, > > which is a common mascot for all BSD derivatives. The FreeBSD > > logo is here: > You have to scroll to the bottom of the flyer. I hope this is not > too much of an effort. > http://misc.allbsd.de/Kampagnen/NoBlob/NoBlob-en-Poster.jpg OK. That's a clear trademark violation. I expect AllBSD will be hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers... DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 17 20:44:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361CE16A401 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:44:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jan.husar@skosi.org) Received: from viefep18-int.chello.at (viefep13-int.chello.at [213.46.255.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65C1713C45E for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:44:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jan.husar@skosi.org) Received: from [192.168.1.148] (really [82.119.111.235]) by viefep15-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with ESMTP id <20070317202752.YGPO11184.viefep15-int.chello.at@[192.168.1.148]>; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:27:52 +0100 Message-ID: <45FC4F45.5030207@skosi.org> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:27:49 +0100 From: Jan Husar Organization: SKOSI, non-for-profit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= References: <20070317024923.6d035a41@localhost> <86k5xf91pz.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070317205350.70f6ecf1@localhost> <86ejnn39e6.fsf@dwp.des.no> In-Reply-To: <86ejnn39e6.fsf@dwp.des.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Jona Joachim Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:44:48 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Jona Joachim writes: >> Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes: >>> Jona Joachim writes: >>>> I heard of the "Stop the Blob" campaign led by allBSD [1] today. >>>> The FreeBSD logo is used in their flyer [2] which means that the >>>> FreeBSD Project is supporting the campaign. >>> I don't see a FreeBSD logo there. All I see is the BSD daemon, >>> which is a common mascot for all BSD derivatives. The FreeBSD >>> logo is here: >> You have to scroll to the bottom of the flyer. I hope this is not >> too much of an effort. >> http://misc.allbsd.de/Kampagnen/NoBlob/NoBlob-en-Poster.jpg > > OK. That's a clear trademark violation. I expect AllBSD will be > hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers... > What this suppose to mean? Allbsd is doing a pretty awesome job! > DES -- ----------------------------------- | Jan Husar | | freedomeurope.blogspot.com | GnuPG 1024D/DDB1C1AE | http://www.opensource.org From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 17 20:47:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFB2C16A401 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:47:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF13D13C4C3 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:47:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44AD1207E; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:47:47 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Tests: AWL X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: 0.0/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on tim.des.no Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by tim.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84632049; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:47:46 +0100 (CET) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A2E67B80C; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:47:46 +0100 (CET) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) To: Jan Husar References: <20070317024923.6d035a41@localhost> <86k5xf91pz.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070317205350.70f6ecf1@localhost> <86ejnn39e6.fsf@dwp.des.no> <45FC4F45.5030207@skosi.org> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:47:46 +0100 In-Reply-To: <45FC4F45.5030207@skosi.org> (Jan Husar's message of "Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:27:49 +0100") Message-ID: <86648z38ct.fsf@dwp.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Jona Joachim Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:47:52 -0000 Jan Husar writes: > Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav writes: > > OK. That's a clear trademark violation. I expect AllBSD will be > > hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers... > What this suppose to mean? Allbsd is doing a pretty awesome job! No matter how good a job they do, they still have to follow the law. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 17 20:53:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC9D616A402 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:53:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jan.husar@skosi.org) Received: from viefep15-int.chello.at (viefep13-int.chello.at [213.46.255.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5AC13C448 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:53:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jan.husar@skosi.org) Received: from [192.168.1.148] (really [82.119.111.235]) by viefep15-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with ESMTP id <20070317205351.ZMGB11184.viefep15-int.chello.at@[192.168.1.148]>; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:53:51 +0100 Message-ID: <45FC5564.3030302@skosi.org> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:53:56 +0100 From: Jan Husar Organization: SKOSI, non-for-profit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= References: <20070317024923.6d035a41@localhost> <86k5xf91pz.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070317205350.70f6ecf1@localhost> <86ejnn39e6.fsf@dwp.des.no> <45FC4F45.5030207@skosi.org> <86648z38ct.fsf@dwp.des.no> In-Reply-To: <86648z38ct.fsf@dwp.des.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Jona Joachim Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:53:53 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Jan Husar writes: >> Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes: >>> OK. That's a clear trademark violation. I expect AllBSD will be >>> hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers... >> What this suppose to mean? Allbsd is doing a pretty awesome job! > > No matter how good a job they do, they still have to follow the law. > Definetly, but: Over the years as I'm working as full time opensource activist mostly involved with the community and government/educational sector I must say, the main reason we are so effective and deployable is we are able to cooperate over any communication method know to man. Which means, if I see action somewhere benefiting us as a whole, I'm going to support it, because in the end it does support and help me and my projects. If allbsd did something wrong, we should be able to discuss is and possible fix or try to find a solution, not spaming about lawyers. As a community, we suffer enough, should we have some enemy within and fight a guerilla warfare? When the BSD have enough problems already? Jan > DES -- ----------------------------------- | Jan Husar | | freedomeurope.blogspot.com | GnuPG 1024D/DDB1C1AE | http://www.opensource.org From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 17 20:54:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA9716A401 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:54:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from walkingshadow@grummel.net) Received: from mail1.bytemine.net (mat.bytemine.net [193.41.144.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A05D13C45B for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:54:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from walkingshadow@grummel.net) Received: from 4be54-4-82-234-154-189.fbx.proxad.net ([82.234.154.189]:15577 helo=mailsvr.my.domain) by mail1.bytemine.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HSfvL-0002t1-MY; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:54:47 +0100 Received: from localhost (unknown [192.168.0.11]) by mailsvr.my.domain (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4BD5456E0; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:55:58 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:54:43 +0100 From: Jona Joachim To: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?UTF-8?B?U23DuHJncmF2?=) Message-ID: <20070317215443.6fd2d6ce@localhost> In-Reply-To: <86ejnn39e6.fsf@dwp.des.no> References: <20070317024923.6d035a41@localhost> <86k5xf91pz.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070317205350.70f6ecf1@localhost> <86ejnn39e6.fsf@dwp.des.no> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.8.1 (GTK+ 2.10.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) X-Face: &>dujC`JZV!}?Y^1"%N{x!f+rW}; PX\_Cg[!|MA~tn3ebIKM|~p=,,U~YJt,Exd`Spk.1Ln zg, Q]0=:!/LTs-eg.Fz, @giLyD'D=s, L\-AJyZ8tcV`kPifedMA@rhoEikoo~K%@iDLNq2?aHZjIt) GqBY7o#9+8j/uuXDVG3`XFEH_4$T%._*%;|vIaP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_26JYKvWWtUUE/Bo3sQf938O"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:54:48 -0000 --Sig_26JYKvWWtUUE/Bo3sQf938O Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:25:21 +0100 des@des.no (Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav) wrote: > Jona Joachim writes: > > Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav writes: > > > Jona Joachim writes: > > > > I heard of the "Stop the Blob" campaign led by allBSD [1] today. > > > > The FreeBSD logo is used in their flyer [2] which means that the > > > > FreeBSD Project is supporting the campaign. > > > I don't see a FreeBSD logo there. All I see is the BSD daemon, > > > which is a common mascot for all BSD derivatives. The FreeBSD > > > logo is here: > > You have to scroll to the bottom of the flyer. I hope this is not > > too much of an effort. > > http://misc.allbsd.de/Kampagnen/NoBlob/NoBlob-en-Poster.jpg >=20 > OK. That's a clear trademark violation. I expect AllBSD will be > hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers... Does this mean that the FreeBSD Project leaders didn't know that our logo was used for this campaign? Does this mean that the FreeBSD Project encourages blobs? Jona --=20 "I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and tell you that you are free." Eris, Goddess Of Chaos, Discord & Confusion --Sig_26JYKvWWtUUE/Bo3sQf938O Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFF/FWTB0JBR/6d8XQRAt57AJ9Y7MMZKvJhoBchgKieevkTHs1abQCgr65F a3XQS7Xl0wPO5HaslCuglYk= =YTlJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_26JYKvWWtUUE/Bo3sQf938O-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 17 21:05:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B9016A402 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:05:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C86FC13C45B for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:05:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id D40F62091; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:05:32 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Tests: AWL X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: 0.0/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on tim.des.no Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by tim.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id C20142049; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:05:32 +0100 (CET) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B46FFB80C; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:05:32 +0100 (CET) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) To: Jona Joachim References: <20070317024923.6d035a41@localhost> <86k5xf91pz.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070317205350.70f6ecf1@localhost> <86ejnn39e6.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070317215443.6fd2d6ce@localhost> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:05:32 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20070317215443.6fd2d6ce@localhost> (Jona Joachim's message of "Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:54:43 +0100") Message-ID: <86ps771syr.fsf@dwp.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:05:37 -0000 Jona Joachim writes: > Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav writes: > > OK. That's a clear trademark violation. I expect AllBSD will be > > hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers... > Does this mean that the FreeBSD Project leaders didn't know that our > logo was used for this campaign? > Does this mean that the FreeBSD Project encourages blobs? It means that the matter is now in the hands of those who are qualified to handle it. As for the FreeBSD Project's stance on closed-source drivers, I will let the source tree speak for itself: des@dwp ~% find /sys/contrib -name \*.uu /sys/contrib/dev/nve/amd64/nvenetlib.o.bz2.uu /sys/contrib/dev/nve/i386/nvenetlib.o.bz2.uu /sys/contrib/dev/oltr/i386-elf.trlld.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/arm9-le-thumb-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/armv4-be-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/armv4-le-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/i386-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mips-be-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mips-le-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mips1-be-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mips1-le-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mipsisa32-be-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mipsisa32-le-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/powerpc-be-eabi.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/powerpc-le-eabi.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/sh4-le-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/x86_64-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/xscale-be-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/xscale-le-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/alpha-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/powerpc-be-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/sparc64-be-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/ap30.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/ap43.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/ap51.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/ap61.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/sparc-be-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ipw/ipw2100-1.3-i.fw.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ipw/ipw2100-1.3-p.fw.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ipw/ipw2100-1.3.fw.uu /sys/contrib/dev/iwi/ipw2200-bss.fw.uu /sys/contrib/dev/iwi/ipw2200-ibss.fw.uu /sys/contrib/dev/iwi/ipw2200-sniffer.fw.uu DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 17 21:12:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE2BE16A403 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:12:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from walkingshadow@grummel.net) Received: from mail1.bytemine.net (mat.bytemine.net [193.41.144.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD8113C4BF for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:12:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from walkingshadow@grummel.net) Received: from 4be54-4-82-234-154-189.fbx.proxad.net ([82.234.154.189]:36673 helo=mailsvr.my.domain) by mail1.bytemine.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HSgCk-0002pF-RT; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:12:47 +0100 Received: from localhost (unknown [192.168.0.11]) by mailsvr.my.domain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32304456E0; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:13:57 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:12:41 +0100 From: Jona Joachim To: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?UTF-8?B?U23DuHJncmF2?=) Message-ID: <20070317221241.13cb1429@localhost> In-Reply-To: <86648z38ct.fsf@dwp.des.no> References: <20070317024923.6d035a41@localhost> <86k5xf91pz.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070317205350.70f6ecf1@localhost> <86ejnn39e6.fsf@dwp.des.no> <45FC4F45.5030207@skosi.org> <86648z38ct.fsf@dwp.des.no> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.8.1 (GTK+ 2.10.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) X-Face: &>dujC`JZV!}?Y^1"%N{x!f+rW}; PX\_Cg[!|MA~tn3ebIKM|~p=,,U~YJt,Exd`Spk.1Ln zg, Q]0=:!/LTs-eg.Fz, @giLyD'D=s, L\-AJyZ8tcV`kPifedMA@rhoEikoo~K%@iDLNq2?aHZjIt) GqBY7o#9+8j/uuXDVG3`XFEH_4$T%._*%;|vIaP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_b26qZMIo203DVj9/Yw1INqH"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Joachim , Jona Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:12:47 -0000 --Sig_b26qZMIo203DVj9/Yw1INqH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:47:46 +0100 des@des.no (Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav) wrote: > Jan Husar writes: > > Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav writes: > > > OK. That's a clear trademark violation. I expect AllBSD will be > > > hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers... > > What this suppose to mean? Allbsd is doing a pretty awesome job! >=20 > No matter how good a job they do, they still have to follow the law. What makes you say they violated the law? I'm quite sure some people of the FreeBSD Foundation were shown this before it was made public. Jona --=20 "I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and tell you that you are free." Eris, Goddess Of Chaos, Discord & Confusion --Sig_b26qZMIo203DVj9/Yw1INqH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFF/FnJB0JBR/6d8XQRAplFAKC3fSIlkc5qE7aCaOk2bDFu3nvw8QCcCtH3 DM8HI8BEjLBJI+Xx07uewnQ= =A1MA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_b26qZMIo203DVj9/Yw1INqH-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 17 21:25:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D4816A400 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:25:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from walkingshadow@grummel.net) Received: from mail1.bytemine.net (mat.bytemine.net [193.41.144.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A500A13C4CB for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:25:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from walkingshadow@grummel.net) Received: from 4be54-4-82-234-154-189.fbx.proxad.net ([82.234.154.189]:6364 helo=mailsvr.my.domain) by mail1.bytemine.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HSgOf-0002Yr-LD; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:25:06 +0100 Received: from localhost (unknown [192.168.0.11]) by mailsvr.my.domain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75CBF456E0; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:26:15 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:24:59 +0100 From: Jona Joachim To: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?UTF-8?B?U23DuHJncmF2?=) Message-ID: <20070317222459.119fc7c1@localhost> In-Reply-To: <86ps771syr.fsf@dwp.des.no> References: <20070317024923.6d035a41@localhost> <86k5xf91pz.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070317205350.70f6ecf1@localhost> <86ejnn39e6.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070317215443.6fd2d6ce@localhost> <86ps771syr.fsf@dwp.des.no> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.8.1 (GTK+ 2.10.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) X-Face: &>dujC`JZV!}?Y^1"%N{x!f+rW}; PX\_Cg[!|MA~tn3ebIKM|~p=,,U~YJt,Exd`Spk.1Ln zg, Q]0=:!/LTs-eg.Fz, @giLyD'D=s, L\-AJyZ8tcV`kPifedMA@rhoEikoo~K%@iDLNq2?aHZjIt) GqBY7o#9+8j/uuXDVG3`XFEH_4$T%._*%;|vIaP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_tvY3j6CH6ar/+PDHBZRgA1b"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Jona Joachim Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:25:07 -0000 --Sig_tvY3j6CH6ar/+PDHBZRgA1b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:05:32 +0100 des@des.no (Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav) wrote: > Jona Joachim writes: > > Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav writes: > > > OK. That's a clear trademark violation. I expect AllBSD will be > > > hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers... > > Does this mean that the FreeBSD Project leaders didn't know that our > > logo was used for this campaign? > > Does this mean that the FreeBSD Project encourages blobs? >=20 > It means that the matter is now in the hands of those who are > qualified to handle it. >=20 > As for the FreeBSD Project's stance on closed-source drivers, I will > let the source tree speak for itself: >=20 > des@dwp ~% find /sys/contrib -name \*.uu How about porting OpenHAL to FreeBSD? Jona --=20 "I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and tell you that you are free." Eris, Goddess Of Chaos, Discord & Confusion --Sig_tvY3j6CH6ar/+PDHBZRgA1b Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFF/FysB0JBR/6d8XQRAp6ZAKCn5hdIav5nxsdZb+D1g0+H8mtqsQCeP48u rDWFt4MGxWSgQLZb19H97YM= =HP2T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_tvY3j6CH6ar/+PDHBZRgA1b--