From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 09:53:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C69516A405 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 09:53:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@xk7.net) Received: from tranquility.mcc.ac.uk (tranquility.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4EDC13C4AD for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 09:53:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@xk7.net) Received: from rankine.its.manchester.ac.uk ([130.88.25.196]) by tranquility.mcc.ac.uk with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HaU5Y-0000ME-H6 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2007 10:53:36 +0100 Received: from [82.153.166.36] (port=54555 helo=[192.168.0.2]) by rankine.its.manchester.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43) id 1HaU5Y-0005Am-3o for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2007 10:53:36 +0100 Message-ID: <4618BB9E.4050909@xk7.net> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 10:53:34 +0100 From: Paul Waring User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <4603D9FF.4070100@xk7.net> <4603E522.2090901@praxisvermittlung24.de> In-Reply-To: <4603E522.2090901@praxisvermittlung24.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-Sender: Paul Waring from ([192.168.0.2]) [82.153.166.36]:54555 X-Authenticated-From: Paul.Waring@postgrad.manchester.ac.uk X-UoM: Scanned by the University Mail System. See http://www.itservices.manchester.ac.uk/email/filtering/information/ for details. Subject: Re: Lack of FreeBSD coverage in the UK media X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 09:53:38 -0000 Daniel Seuffert wrote: > But don't forget: It's hard work and you need people doing this work. > That's the problematic part and that's the main reason imho why we > don't have more media attention... Is there not a project (other than this mailing list) within the work of the FreeBSD Foundation to promote BSD within the media? All it needs is for a small group of people to contact existing Linux magazines and see what kinds of articles they are looking for and whether they'd be prepared to accept BSD ones, and then try and find people who are willing to write them. I've taken a small step in emailing one of the UK magazines and asking them if they'd include BSD groups in their local LUGs listings, it only took a couple of minutes to write the email and the worst they can say is "no". Paul From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 10:21:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3CFA16A415 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 10:21:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from thin.berklix.org (thin.berklix.org [194.246.123.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D13113C457 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 10:21:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A4FFD.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.79.253]) (authenticated bits=128) by thin.berklix.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l38ALWHL023700; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 12:21:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (fire.jhs.private [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l38ALQSl041767; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 12:21:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (localhost.jhs.private [127.0.0.1]) by fire.jhs.private (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l38ALQ3k031028; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 12:21:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200704081021.l38ALQ3k031028@fire.jhs.private> To: Paul Waring In-reply-to: <4618BB9E.4050909@xk7.net> References: <4603D9FF.4070100@xk7.net> <4603E522.2090901@praxisvermittlung24.de> <4618BB9E.4050909@xk7.net> Comments: In-reply-to Paul Waring message dated "Sun, 08 Apr 2007 10:53:34 +0100." Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 12:21:26 +0200 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, "Mahmut Kursun \(Work\)" Subject: Re: Lack of FreeBSD coverage in the UK media X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 10:21:42 -0000 Paul Waring wrote: > Daniel Seuffert wrote: > > But don't forget: It's hard work and you need people doing this work. > > That's the problematic part and that's the main reason imho why we > > don't have more media attention... > > Is there not a project (other than this mailing list) within the work of > the FreeBSD Foundation to promote BSD within the media? All it needs is > for a small group of people to contact existing Linux magazines and see > what kinds of articles they are looking for and whether they'd be > prepared to accept BSD ones, and then try and find people who are > willing to write them. > > I've taken a small step in emailing one of the UK magazines and asking > them if they'd include BSD groups in their local LUGs listings, it only > took a couple of minutes to write the email and the worst they can say > is "no". > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" A friend of mine: "Mahmut Kursun (Work)" works for a Linux publisher in Munich (of several mags), he used to import BSD CDs & knows what it is :-) & he speaks English German & Turkish, so I suggest send him a copy. (i've cc'd him) -- Julian Stacey. Munich Computer Consultant, BSD Unix C Linux. http://berklix.com Escape Microsoft 20th April 2007: http://berklix.com/free/talk/ Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 11:52:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7858B16A405 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:52:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stapleton.41@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0739913C4D9 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:52:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stapleton.41@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g7so1801450muf for ; Sun, 08 Apr 2007 04:52:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=q0M8hEHklXGYQg5kT0Pm7brQNuNbXex12oRtFLo6egsYcQp+UcGRKrd8WkxxnwwweQWtUQbC6ocnUE4cWIU5j8TzpC3huzRv1fq3TRGdSif590p/Q/KYq7ybrN9gsWaaFDzQWvXWHO2G8hnwlh0nQqCuNqbTugELYESWkFqcWXQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TJhJ3D88Qr+73ZBeJcvyoqJxzdv/G2MnrU4nMhg4YbcRX10bko4ZO7eUKQPBD3mrsfk7NbniRQSE7dbPFTMombRMvTH/Mf+3V6ppkvmmlMPaaJDDYiJs+nzGBWUykOAvPlQOo/Pkt9VynGVYK1ymws9FVfk6PJJrx2mzYPGjJ9Y= Received: by 10.82.104.18 with SMTP id b18mr6336812buc.1176033141702; Sun, 08 Apr 2007 04:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.155.5 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 04:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <80f4f2b20704080452m457dd276ne8021163a5da600b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:52:21 +0000 From: "Jim Stapleton" To: "Julian H. Stacey" In-Reply-To: <200704081021.l38ALQ3k031028@fire.jhs.private> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4603D9FF.4070100@xk7.net> <4603E522.2090901@praxisvermittlung24.de> <4618BB9E.4050909@xk7.net> <200704081021.l38ALQ3k031028@fire.jhs.private> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Lack of FreeBSD coverage in the UK media X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 11:52:23 -0000 >From my end I've never given this a thought. Thinking about it now, I'd happily praise the virtues of FreeBSD in an article (giving proportionally equal time to it's drawbacks... few that they are), except I don't subscribe to any Linux mags, so I've no clue even what they would want. Maybe those of us on this group could work together? We all work on articles to be submitted via the list, and submit them? Payment for articles is donated to the FreeBSD project for the various costs it has? The only thing I can think of is "A FreeBSD primer", how to go from burned CD to useful GUI install. -Jim Stapleton From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 12:23:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ADC416A401 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 12:23:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@xk7.net) Received: from tranquility.mcc.ac.uk (tranquility.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F17D413C44C for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 12:23:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@xk7.net) Received: from rankine.its.manchester.ac.uk ([130.88.25.196]) by tranquility.mcc.ac.uk with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HaWQF-000OTJ-J8 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2007 13:23:07 +0100 Received: from [82.153.166.36] (port=52578 helo=[192.168.0.2]) by rankine.its.manchester.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43) id 1HaWQF-000891-90 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2007 13:23:07 +0100 Message-ID: <4618DEAA.1020705@xk7.net> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 13:23:06 +0100 From: Paul Waring User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <4603D9FF.4070100@xk7.net> <4603E522.2090901@praxisvermittlung24.de> <4618BB9E.4050909@xk7.net> <200704081021.l38ALQ3k031028@fire.jhs.private> <80f4f2b20704080452m457dd276ne8021163a5da600b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <80f4f2b20704080452m457dd276ne8021163a5da600b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-Sender: Paul Waring from ([192.168.0.2]) [82.153.166.36]:52578 X-Authenticated-From: Paul.Waring@postgrad.manchester.ac.uk X-UoM: Scanned by the University Mail System. See http://www.itservices.manchester.ac.uk/email/filtering/information/ for details. Subject: Re: Lack of FreeBSD coverage in the UK media X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 12:23:09 -0000 Jim Stapleton wrote: > I'd happily praise the virtues of FreeBSD in an article (giving > proportionally equal time to it's drawbacks... few that they are), > except I don't subscribe to any Linux mags, so I've no clue even what > they would want. The feeling I get is that actually a lot of these magazines are a bit stretched for articles (as in they only just get enough), so they will probably consider any well-written article on a general FreeBSD topic. For an idea of what one UK magazine looks for though, here's their writing guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/2rxhnf > Maybe those of us on this group could work together? We all work on > articles to be submitted via the list, and submit them? Payment for > articles is donated to the FreeBSD project for the various costs it > has? That was my original idea - people send in articles, someone proof-reads and edits them if necessary and then sends them off to relevant magazines with instructions to make cheques payable to the FreeBSD Foundation. Paul From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 12:50:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6991016A402; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 12:50:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from boris@brooknet.com.au) Received: from pecan.exetel.com.au (pecan.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EDFA13C46A; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 12:50:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from boris@brooknet.com.au) Received: from 180.205.233.220.exetel.com.au ([220.233.205.180] helo=[192.168.0.148]) by pecan.exetel.com.au with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HaVsM-0000yn-3N; Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:48:06 +1000 In-Reply-To: <20070406054948.J30801@fledge.watson.org> References: <20070406054948.J30801@fledge.watson.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <933A84DB-0654-43B9-93DE-F8762C41AC44@brooknet.com.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sam Lawrance Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 21:48:04 +1000 To: advocacy@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Cc: pjd@FreeBSD.org, Robert Watson Subject: Media coordinator? [was: Re: ZFS committed to the FreeBSD base. (fwd)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 12:50:33 -0000 On 06/04/2007, at 7:51 PM, Robert Watson wrote: > Now would be a great time to do some articles on this, speaking of > which. :-) Pawel's e-mail doesn't make a great start for an > advocacy piece because it fails to say what's good/important about > ZFS, so the first task is to figure that out and construct a news > article along these lines. For example, it has volume-management, > self-healing, and the word "enterprise" can be tossed in easily. Would it be worthwhile to form a "media coordinator" role? I can think of two areas of value for this role: announcement coordination and media liaison. Announcement coordination would be provided as a service to our developers and the community. For example, before committing or MFC'ing some hot new feature, people can ask the media coordinator for assistance with the announcement. This might involve helping to draft the primary announcement, writing articles for submission to news sites, the sort of information described above by Robert. The work can be delegated, the key is simply to provide all the right information to the right people and channels when an announcement is made. Media liaison is around providing a single point of contact for media requests, to make it easier for people unfamiliar with the project to find their way to the right people and resources. Maybe this extends to writing articles (or finding people to do so), and submitting them to journals or magazines. I'm sure there are other areas of value. The two points above just spring to mind based on recent messages to advocacy@. Any thoughts on this? From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 14:42:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8665C16A403 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 14:42:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@xk7.net) Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B4AF13C469 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 14:42:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@xk7.net) Received: from rankine.its.manchester.ac.uk ([130.88.25.196]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HaYLK-0004mh-Hs for advocacy@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2007 15:26:10 +0100 Received: from [82.153.166.36] (port=60741 helo=[192.168.0.2]) by rankine.its.manchester.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43) id 1HaYLK-0005vF-90 for advocacy@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2007 15:26:10 +0100 Message-ID: <4618FB81.4090406@xk7.net> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 15:26:09 +0100 From: Paul Waring User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: advocacy@FreeBSD.org References: <20070406054948.J30801@fledge.watson.org> <933A84DB-0654-43B9-93DE-F8762C41AC44@brooknet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <933A84DB-0654-43B9-93DE-F8762C41AC44@brooknet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-Sender: Paul Waring from ([192.168.0.2]) [82.153.166.36]:60741 X-Authenticated-From: Paul.Waring@postgrad.manchester.ac.uk X-UoM: Scanned by the University Mail System. See http://www.itservices.manchester.ac.uk/email/filtering/information/ for details. Cc: Subject: Re: Media coordinator? [was: Re: ZFS committed to the FreeBSD base. (fwd)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 14:42:15 -0000 Sam Lawrance wrote: > Would it be worthwhile to form a "media coordinator" role? I can think > of two areas of value for this role: announcement coordination and media > liaison. I think something like that would be worthwhile, not only is it much easier from the point of view of developers to have one person/group to contact about making new announcements, but also from my experience with another group (unrelated to BSD or even IT in general) I've found that it makes things much easier for the media if they have one point of contact for enquiries who can then pass on the request to the appropriate person within the group. > Media liaison is around providing a single point of contact for media > requests, to make it easier for people unfamiliar with the project to > find their way to the right people and resources. Maybe this extends to > writing articles (or finding people to do so), and submitting them to > journals or magazines. I think the submission part is the most difficult - plenty of people are more than capable of writing articles that would be of a publishable standard, but may not want the hassle of chasing up magazine editors in an attempt to get their material published. Paul From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 9 13:06:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F41F16A402 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:06:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from ca.pugetsoundtechnology.com (ca.pugetsoundtechnology.com [38.99.2.247]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1BC213C457 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:06:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from pool-71-123-204-253.dllstx.fios.verizon.net ([71.123.204.253] helo=reedmedia.net) by ca.pugetsoundtechnology.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.54) id 1HatIe-0000sH-O0; Mon, 09 Apr 2007 05:48:49 -0700 Received: from reed@reedmedia.net by reedmedia.net with local (mailout 0.17) id 15042-1176122926; Mon, 09 Apr 2007 07:48:47 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 07:48:46 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: Sam Lawrance In-Reply-To: <933A84DB-0654-43B9-93DE-F8762C41AC44@brooknet.com.au> Message-ID: References: <20070406054948.J30801@fledge.watson.org> <933A84DB-0654-43B9-93DE-F8762C41AC44@brooknet.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Media coordinator? [was: Re: ZFS committed to the FreeBSD base. (fwd)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:06:16 -0000 On Sun, 8 Apr 2007, Sam Lawrance wrote: > Would it be worthwhile to form a "media coordinator" role? I can think > of two areas of value for this role: announcement coordination and media > liaison. FreeBSD has a media coordinator -- it is made up of marketing professionals, book authors, active announcement and/or press release writers, freelance writers and a few others. > Announcement coordination would be provided as a service to our > developers and the community. For example, before committing or MFC'ing > some hot new feature, people can ask the media coordinator for > assistance with the announcement. This might involve helping to draft > the primary announcement, writing articles for submission to news sites, > the sort of information described above by Robert. The work can be > delegated, the key is simply to provide all the right information to the > right people and channels when an announcement is made. This is frequently done, but usually the marketing team contacts the developers. We do need to remind developers to contact the marketing team. Also the marketing team doesn't have defined goals or any set schedule -- and also no single person to accept responsibility. Nevertheless, the volunteer marketing team has done a good job over past couple years -- take note of the several press releases distributed. (In a few cases, press release writing and distribution has been paid for. Also I have personally contacted many print publications for several news stories over past couple years.) > Media liaison is around providing a single point of contact for media > requests, to make it easier for people unfamiliar with the project to find > their way to the right people and resources. Maybe this extends to writing > articles (or finding people to do so), and submitting them to journals or > magazines. > > I'm sure there are other areas of value. The two points above just > spring to mind based on recent messages to advocacy@. > > Any thoughts on this? Jeremy C. Reed From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 10 00:38:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C72C16A406 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:38:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jim@thebergstens.com) Received: from shell4.bayarea.net (shell4.BAYAREA.NET [209.128.82.1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A48113C4C3 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:38:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jim@thebergstens.com) Received: (qmail 8314 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2007 17:11:23 -0700 Received: from c-71-198-252-128.hsd1.ca.comcast.net (HELO jim.thebergstens.com) (71.198.252.128) by shell4.bayarea.net with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 9 Apr 2007 17:11:23 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 17:11:17 -0700 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org From: James Bergsten Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20070410003804.2A48113C4C3@mx1.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: failure notice from BSDMall.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:38:04 -0000 Sorry to bother but... ... attempted to email (regarding unfulfilled order) to sales@bsdmall.com (this email address from the bsdmall.com "contact" link). Got the following reply: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- witt@cylogistics.com (reason: 550 5.1.1 User unknown) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 5.1.1 witt@cylogistics.com... User unknown Reporting-MTA: dns; mail2542.carrierzone.com Received-From-MTA: DNS; shell4.bayarea.net Arrival-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:27:24 GMT Final-Recipient: RFC822; sales@bsdmall.com X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; witt.cylogistics.com@mail2542.carrierzone.com Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Diagnostic-Code: X-Unix; 550 5.1.1 User unknown Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:27:25 GMT Any assistance or forward pointer would be appreciated. Thanks Jim B. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 10 02:29:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99EC916A408 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 02:29:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from murray.stokely@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE7413C457 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 02:29:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from murray.stokely@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 71so1691634ugh for ; Mon, 09 Apr 2007 19:29:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mr45coKBegpZMN5oPjTtUy0vlyriUWs9VqmYvNtHu8W2BvIrM7DLmkjZ3cm42yy/RUOFfInFKEdnt2dtpE7pNc+w46iKxkZDj7LMRU4AIbKxekHpCch2HYA0yXeMctP+ELR5gTdL76kxVKTjS2EYKFeOaM4t6RUCN+u0+Gg+3oU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nl9XkVbpmosND9mCxLa2MnF3F/NW1oFvyZnnGX/9dL4wVPbBiQXCgyCcMNliBQH2ZxCL5/W9skBbxdiLh6cZie/1XISu4fQ0jSjxSn+xAyaLRAFBcpNDXvc+UFLx3t6EMPLuLInKBC5HYs4pcxW3To3g0GxqC61tBBnCHOIZnFg= Received: by 10.82.104.18 with SMTP id b18mr8563771buc.1176170444419; Mon, 09 Apr 2007 19:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.107.9 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <474078f80704091900k78fe775ewfe58a490fc964de3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:00:44 -0700 From: "Murray Stokely" To: "James Bergsten" In-Reply-To: <20070410003804.2A48113C4C3@mx1.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070410003804.2A48113C4C3@mx1.freebsd.org> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: failure notice from BSDMall.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 02:29:58 -0000 There's been a lot of confusion since Daemonnews bought that domain, so I should point out that FreeBSDMall.com is a separate entity that sells and supports FreeBSD software and apparel. I'm sorry to hear about your unfulfilled order. - Murray On 4/9/07, James Bergsten wrote: > Sorry to bother but... > > ... attempted to email (regarding unfulfilled order) to > sales@bsdmall.com (this email address from the bsdmall.com "contact" > link). Got the following reply: > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > witt@cylogistics.com > (reason: 550 5.1.1 User unknown) > (expanded from: ) > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > 550 5.1.1 witt@cylogistics.com... User unknown > Reporting-MTA: dns; mail2542.carrierzone.com > Received-From-MTA: DNS; shell4.bayarea.net > Arrival-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:27:24 GMT > Final-Recipient: RFC822; sales@bsdmall.com > X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; witt.cylogistics.com@mail2542.carrierzone.com > Action: failed > Status: 5.1.1 > Diagnostic-Code: X-Unix; 550 5.1.1 User unknown > Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:27:25 GMT > Any assistance or forward pointer would be appreciated. > > Thanks > Jim B. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 10 02:42:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C386716A406 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 02:42:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from boris@brooknet.com.au) Received: from pecan.exetel.com.au (pecan.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 642B813C4CB for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 02:42:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from boris@brooknet.com.au) Received: from 180.205.233.220.exetel.com.au ([220.233.205.180] helo=[192.168.0.148]) by pecan.exetel.com.au with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hb6Jf-0004eH-3Y; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:42:43 +1000 In-Reply-To: References: <20070406054948.J30801@fledge.watson.org> <933A84DB-0654-43B9-93DE-F8762C41AC44@brooknet.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sam Lawrance Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:42:38 +1000 To: Jeremy C. Reed X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Media coordinator? [was: Re: ZFS committed to the FreeBSD base. (fwd)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 02:42:45 -0000 On 09/04/2007, at 10:48 PM, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > On Sun, 8 Apr 2007, Sam Lawrance wrote: > >> Would it be worthwhile to form a "media coordinator" role? I can >> think >> of two areas of value for this role: announcement coordination and >> media >> liaison. > > FreeBSD has a media coordinator -- it is made up of marketing > professionals, book authors, active announcement and/or press release > writers, freelance writers and a few others. > >> Announcement coordination would be provided as a service to our >> developers and the community. For example, before committing or >> MFC'ing >> some hot new feature, people can ask the media coordinator for >> assistance with the announcement. This might involve helping to >> draft >> the primary announcement, writing articles for submission to news >> sites, >> the sort of information described above by Robert. The work can be >> delegated, the key is simply to provide all the right information >> to the >> right people and channels when an announcement is made. > > This is frequently done, but usually the marketing team contacts the > developers. We do need to remind developers to contact the marketing > team. > > Also the marketing team doesn't have defined goals or any set > schedule -- > and also no single person to accept responsibility. Nevertheless, the > volunteer marketing team has done a good job over past couple years -- > take note of the several press releases distributed. (In a few cases, > press release writing and distribution has been paid for. Also I have > personally contacted many print publications for several news > stories over > past couple years.) The effort is apparent - I think that most people here would have seen it, whether or not they recognised it as a product of the marketing team :-) Has the marketing team considered developing and working to a charter? Similar to portmgr, secteam, releng, and doceng? I noticed that the team is listed on freebsd.org/administration.html. There's no visibility from freebsd.org/marketing, which is where you may expect to find it. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 10 05:07:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C4FB16A402 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 05:07:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from witt@cylogistics.com) Received: from outbound.sentinare.net (outbound.sentinare.net [207.158.33.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 174D113C4AE for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 05:07:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from witt@cylogistics.com) Received: from maia (rome [10.2.28.28]) by outbound.sentinare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014722014D0; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:40:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MALARD (c-71-198-3-50.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [71.198.3.50]) by mail.sentinare.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B67C7686639; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 03:27:30 +0000 (GMT) From: "Don Witt" To: "'Murray Stokely'" , "'James Bergsten'" Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:28:25 -0700 Organization: cyLogistics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <474078f80704091900k78fe775ewfe58a490fc964de3@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acd7GDC1rQtTJKR6QcmNYul0peJbVAAB0myg Message-Id: <20070410032730.B67C7686639@outbound.sentinare.net> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: RE: failure notice from BSDMall.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: witt@cylogistics.com List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 05:07:41 -0000 James, We will look into the email issue. I am getting email on a regular basis for cylogistics and the BSDmall. I am not sure what the issue on this email is, but I will get it fixed. We have discussed the order over the phone earlier today and have identified a plan of action. Thank you for your continued support. Sincerely, Don Witt > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of > Murray Stokely > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 7:01 PM > To: James Bergsten > Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: failure notice from BSDMall.com > > There's been a lot of confusion since Daemonnews bought that > domain, so I should point out that FreeBSDMall.com is a > separate entity that sells and supports FreeBSD software and > apparel. I'm sorry to hear about your unfulfilled order. > > - Murray > > > On 4/9/07, James Bergsten wrote: > > Sorry to bother but... > > > > ... attempted to email (regarding unfulfilled order) to > > sales@bsdmall.com (this email address from the bsdmall.com "contact" > > link). Got the following reply: > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > witt@cylogistics.com > > (reason: 550 5.1.1 User unknown) > > (expanded from: ) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 5.1.1 > > witt@cylogistics.com... User unknown > > Reporting-MTA: dns; mail2542.carrierzone.com > > Received-From-MTA: DNS; shell4.bayarea.net > > Arrival-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:27:24 GMT > > Final-Recipient: RFC822; sales@bsdmall.com > > X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; > > witt.cylogistics.com@mail2542.carrierzone.com > > Action: failed > > Status: 5.1.1 > > Diagnostic-Code: X-Unix; 550 5.1.1 User unknown > > Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:27:25 GMT Any assistance or > > forward pointer would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > Jim B. > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 10 21:40:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654CC16A41B for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:40:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailnull@mips.inka.de) Received: from mail-in-07.arcor-online.net (mail-in-07.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E2F413C484 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:40:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailnull@mips.inka.de) Received: from mail-in-08-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-08-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.20]) by mail-in-07.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1DDC24AEC3 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:40:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail-in-02.arcor-online.net (mail-in-02.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.42]) by mail-in-08-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E25212FA2 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:40:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (dslb-088-064-186-241.pools.arcor-ip.net [88.64.186.241]) by mail-in-02.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96E6536E867 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:40:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.13.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l3ALeZP3014825 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:40:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mailnull@kemoauc.mips.inka.de) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l3ALeYJ5014824 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:40:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mailnull) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:40:34 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <4603D9FF.4070100@xk7.net> <4603E522.2090901@praxisvermittlung24.de> <46178143.2080100@xk7.net> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Lack of FreeBSD coverage in the UK media X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:40:37 -0000 Paul Waring wrote: > > "We'd like to print more BSD articles but nobody is submitting any." > > (Standard reply at German LinuxTag when you ask the press people > > about this.) > > Surely there must be a reason why people aren't writing/submitting BSD > articles though? That would be the amount of work involved in actually writing something. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 12 10:28:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A10016A400 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:28:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from boris@brooknet.com.au) Received: from pecan.exetel.com.au (pecan.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9CA413C465 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:28:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from boris@brooknet.com.au) Received: from 180.205.233.220.exetel.com.au ([220.233.205.180] helo=[192.168.0.148]) by pecan.exetel.com.au with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HbwXP-0002kI-IV for advocacy@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:28:23 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <631632CC-B1B3-47A4-ACC8-100D8C7D2073@brooknet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: advocacy@FreeBSD.org From: Sam Lawrance Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:28:19 +1000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Cc: Subject: mockup of BSD news/articles site X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:28:25 -0000 This is a one page mockup I have been fiddling with in my spare time: http://bsdtn.com/ There's no content, it's really just an exercise in the type of site I would like to see carrying sexy-looking FreeBSD news. Just throwing it out there for comments. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 12 11:47:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 363F316A40D for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 11:47:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jounijl@yahoo.co.uk) Received: from web25411.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25411.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.229]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D1D213C4B9 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 11:47:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jounijl@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 24997 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2007 11:20:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=IHUO6JPqUp2R0FIodnJl7N+Yyy+H0KXEmp7kkGFxKiiJTDrcxw646LxGXtY6zy2VZ6ynLg+yhal2NfZ7O96Bvpud9hgBKpmtwD0NZTaWEj/soxyyQr/x3/McAVAbpjEJTwM0VuNgBlQkjdse0w7ayyORYWedcNnVR36914d13T8=; X-YMail-OSG: IIwdVjoVM1ljRMCqZM.aStpuMd0tPZoGa9V1BK8e.EUTije6nlZ9tbsRAsKm8fLh.A-- Received: from [194.251.240.116] by web25411.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 04:20:40 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 04:20:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Jouni Laakso To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <270636.24985.qm@web25411.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: About browser plugins X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jounijl@yahoo.co.uk List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 11:47:22 -0000 Hi, I was wondering if I can share my thougths about plugins. Flash player plugin has been in headlines for a long time. It is frustrating that plugins don't exist in native Www-browser ports because maby around 1/4 of www-sites uses flash content. Emulated Linux-Opera works with sound support. I've read about NS-plugin format from opera.com and plugins to Opera are compatible with plugins with Mozilla Firefox. Browsers usually (Firefox is) are ported to the operating system later after the official project and because of this for the manufacturers, Adobe for example, it must be difficult to compile a plugin for *BSD or any other os besides the most used. My message: Firefox seems to be the most liked browser. Maby FreeBSD or any development should be done to the official Firefox-projects files. This is how the making of plugins becomes easier for the manufacturers. It seems to be minor patching, I don't know. Does anyone know about "NS" plugin format? If only one plugin is required for all browsers? How about a reference Web Browser agreement among manufacturers? With kind regards, Jouni Laakso ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 12 12:10:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C5516A401 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:10:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF2813C45A for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:10:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r28so410616nza for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 05:10:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=J0s7hkyKX2oNRDi3MZ1N8l2WnSENq8o5CCfbYP5RmPhlx/gzRXcZKhV6MfsY83Bgo1KD6hUpDzeUm8mnRB/nKzBP2AeHhWJpRZHeSB9Pu/D2cvfxuScSqmoM4Gx6wgBdK67iBcnGFWdcnvS2ZH6OtpcJqRlqVy/SuINbTu+JFJs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Cl737al/YxWUoLJQziHGs466zYRqJbW0mIK/irDezumMfPUzkdWokKYxVncZWpWsXxKE0SaJQko4Bnv5/tpDyBxTkcNp+ZNQoHKJALErkjqr6wM9mdIZvh57N6bKSIvVmByWeCc+u5unrPiaG8aXmSG5RFzR/0XSuaSx9lXR4To= Received: by 10.114.111.1 with SMTP id j1mr710492wac.1176378204956; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 04:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.201.2 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 04:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:43:24 +0400 From: "Andrew Pantyukhin" Sender: infofarmer@gmail.com To: "Sam Lawrance" In-Reply-To: <631632CC-B1B3-47A4-ACC8-100D8C7D2073@brooknet.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <631632CC-B1B3-47A4-ACC8-100D8C7D2073@brooknet.com.au> X-Google-Sender-Auth: c36b864a1b46653d Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mockup of BSD news/articles site X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:10:01 -0000 On 4/12/07, Sam Lawrance wrote: > This is a one page mockup I have been fiddling with in my spare time: > > http://bsdtn.com/ > > There's no content, it's really just an exercise in the type of site > I would like to see carrying sexy-looking FreeBSD news. Just > throwing it out there for comments. Oscar is cool. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 12 12:38:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E134316A405 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:38:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from personrp@ccbh.com) Received: from 1upmc-msximc2.isdip.upmc.edu (1upmc-msximc2.isdip.upmc.edu [128.147.18.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4A4513C45E for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:38:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from personrp@ccbh.com) Received: from 1upmc-msx6.acct.upmchs.net ([128.147.16.61]) by 1upmc-msximc2.isdip.upmc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:26:19 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:26:19 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <631632CC-B1B3-47A4-ACC8-100D8C7D2073@brooknet.com.au> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: mockup of BSD news/articles site thread-index: Acd87fkxhMqVnMR4Stawbtd54/uVGAAD6U/w From: "Person, Roderick" To: "Sam Lawrance" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2007 12:26:20.0062 (UTC) FILETIME=[C667F3E0:01C77CFD] Cc: Subject: RE: mockup of BSD news/articles site X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:38:35 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org=20 >=20 > This is a one page mockup I have been fiddling with in my spare time: >=20 > http://bsdtn.com/ >=20 > There's no content, it's really just an exercise in the type=20 > of site I would like to see carrying sexy-looking FreeBSD=20 > news. Just throwing it out there for comments. I like the look. I can't wait for the real Oscar article :) Rod Person Programmer http://www.ccbh.com "it takes an unusual mind to see the obvious." - Alfred Whitehead From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 12 17:48:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3301D16A401 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:48:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACFC713C44B for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:48:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz ([69.27.149.254]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3CHJlkN065242; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:19:56 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <461E6A2B.7060007@daleco.biz> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:19:39 -0500 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2pre) Gecko/20070221 SeaMonkey/1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jounijl@yahoo.co.uk References: <270636.24985.qm@web25411.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <270636.24985.qm@web25411.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: About browser plugins X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:48:56 -0000 Jouni Laakso wrote: > Hi, > > I was wondering if I can share my thougths about plugins. > > Flash player plugin has been in headlines for a long time. > It is frustrating that plugins don't exist in native > Www-browser ports because maby around 1/4 of www-sites uses > flash content. My guess is that in order to avoid POLA violation, the architects of our OS have simply allowed the software that performs this task to live in the ports tree where it is. Installing 2 ports and modifying /etc/libmap.conf as instructed serves well enough to enable Flash 7 support in my Gecko-based browsers; but, as you observe (I am thinking) and as I've noted, this isn't what some other people call "plugging in". > Emulated Linux-Opera works with sound support. I haven't tried flash+Opera. No particular issues with the setup described above. > I've read about NS-plugin format from opera.com and plugins > to Opera are compatible with plugins with Mozilla Firefox. > > Browsers usually (Firefox is) are ported to the operating > system later after the official project and because of this > for the manufacturers, Adobe for example, it must be > difficult to compile a plugin for *BSD or any other os > besides the most used. > > My message: Firefox seems to be the most liked browser. > Maby FreeBSD or any development should be done to the > official Firefox-projects files. This is how the making of > plugins becomes easier for the manufacturers. It seems to > be minor patching, I don't know. > > Does anyone know about "NS" plugin format? If only one > plugin is required for all browsers? How about a reference > Web Browser agreement among manufacturers? If you cvsup your ports tree or head over to freshports.org, you'll find that "nspluginwrapper" was added to the ports tree roughly one week ago. (Dave Grochowski, if you read this, "thank you" on behalf of one/several/many. :-) ) So, perhaps things are headed (optionally, of course) in the direction you are alluding to? I've not yet read the docs on this, but maybe it's a step.... Kevin Kinsey -- It was wonderful to find America, but it would have been more wonderful to miss it. -- Mark Twain