From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 1 14:47:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD8BC16A406 for ; Tue, 1 May 2007 14:47:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc3-cdif2-0-0-cust64.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.106.128.65]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1EE513C459 for ; Tue, 1 May 2007 14:47:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from fenrir.insrv.cf.ac.uk ([131.251.50.213]) by shrike.submonkey.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Hisxc-000H34-6t; Tue, 01 May 2007 15:06:52 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.3.061214 Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 15:04:12 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Christian Weisgerber , Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Lack of FreeBSD coverage in the UK media Thread-Index: AceL+Zgz1rYkHvfsEduakwAUUSJIlg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Lack of FreeBSD coverage in the UK media X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 14:47:48 -0000 On 10/4/07 22:40, "Christian Weisgerber" wrote: > Paul Waring wrote: > >>> "We'd like to print more BSD articles but nobody is submitting any." >>> (Standard reply at German LinuxTag when you ask the press people >>> about this.) >> >> Surely there must be a reason why people aren't writing/submitting BSD >> articles though? > > That would be the amount of work involved in actually writing > something. Speaking for myself, the reason I don't write anything or present at conferences is because I simply cannot believe that anyone would be interested in anything I have to say; the way I do things is obviously the same way that everyone else does things, right? ;-) An ideas list goes some way to helping. Ceri -- That must be wonderful! I don't understand it at all. -- Moliere From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 1 17:39:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC1616A401 for ; Tue, 1 May 2007 17:39:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dking@ketralnis.com) Received: from ketralnis.com (melchoir.ketralnis.com [68.183.67.83]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BFC613C45D for ; Tue, 1 May 2007 17:39:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dking@ketralnis.com) Received: from [192.168.1.194] (pix.xythos.com [69.4.176.194]) (authenticated bits=0) by ketralnis.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l41HOF5V044186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 1 May 2007 10:24:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dking@ketralnis.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <477620B2-7BDC-4777-9D67-FA69116DC19C@ketralnis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David King Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 10:23:05 -0700 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Subject: Re: Lack of FreeBSD coverage in the UK media X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 17:39:36 -0000 >>>> "We'd like to print more BSD articles but nobody is submitting >>>> any." >>> Surely there must be a reason why people aren't writing/ >>> submitting BSD >>> articles though? >> That would be the amount of work involved in actually writing >> something. > Speaking for myself, the reason I don't write anything or present at > conferences is because I simply cannot believe that anyone would be > interested in anything I have to say; the way I do things is > obviously the > same way that everyone else does things, right? ;-) > An ideas list goes some way to helping. I think that a good directions to go are how-to articles and new-in- $VERSION articles. As for how-to articles, I have a few idea off of the top of my head: 1. Installation/getting started 2. Setting up a firewall/load balancer 3. Setting up a file-server 4. and so on From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 1 18:57:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE56616A401 for ; Tue, 1 May 2007 18:57:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stapleton.41@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60DED13C469 for ; Tue, 1 May 2007 18:57:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stapleton.41@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g7so351044muf for ; Tue, 01 May 2007 11:57:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=A3EwLVdeh8iUXPmKiRTtbSGPu3NLv0WufGRHDvbw0/lLFzbej+UEgy9kTJoZu8aDuHg92p072UsR/KxamNXafPe2waFBF7lAE+pb0xuKQ7Q8VS2X5tok2YRNhLudrsUID+KwZhF36L6w577KDUg6QXPPeTDGCq31lAYXB4gD224= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=PRbTH1w0TJB9Im/8zfO9ajO4hJ59cNwsZOuaWDCV8+bs1qxKgXkmxpF+cCws+swlYLXNos6xGAvRYc/PxPGp24jCBPF+krYwpCWsU5sIVOTMDHM3KfowHVRPxIV35qSubiCBQInGWCH92ZbsfIzP0MY8CmbH3XiWj2qY/y8xLZU= Received: by 10.82.146.14 with SMTP id t14mr14608878bud.1178045820980; Tue, 01 May 2007 11:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.191.14 with HTTP; Tue, 1 May 2007 11:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <80f4f2b20705011157t7ea3ff86yc7fd5dd76625a928@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 14:57:00 -0400 From: "Jim Stapleton" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: thinking of freebsd public literature X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 18:57:02 -0000 I notice a dearth of FreeBSD books by various publishers. It might help to have a nice book out by a big publisher. Any interested in and/or knowledgeable enough to write a book for O'Reilly Press (or some other big company, but they seem to be top dog for a lot of tech books). I could help to an extent, but I'm not heavily knowledgeable enough about security, and really have only been using the OS for about a year. -Jim Stapleton From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 2 06:37:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADC2716A404 for ; Wed, 2 May 2007 06:37:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edwin@mavetju.org) Received: from mail4out.barnet.com.au (mail4.barnet.com.au [202.83.178.125]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 706AA13C483 for ; Wed, 2 May 2007 06:37:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edwin@mavetju.org) Received: by mail4out.barnet.com.au (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D4E0D37D36B; Wed, 2 May 2007 16:17:58 +1000 (EST) X-Viruscan-Id: <46382D160000C812E02B71@BarNet> Received: from mail4auth.barnet.com.au (mail4.barnet.com.au [202.83.178.125]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail4.barnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 719EA422149 for ; Wed, 2 May 2007 16:17:58 +1000 (EST) Received: from k7.mavetju (k7.mavetju.org [10.251.1.18]) by mail4auth.barnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3870337D328 for ; Wed, 2 May 2007 16:17:58 +1000 (EST) Received: by k7.mavetju (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1182F80; Wed, 2 May 2007 16:17:58 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 16:17:58 +1000 From: Edwin Groothuis To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070502061758.GA1250@k7.mavetju> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Subject: FreeBSD For All podcasts X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 06:37:37 -0000 Today I found out that the FreeBSD For All podcast website gave me a 404. It was one only user-driven FreeBSD related podcast. Copies of the show can still be found at http://www.podcastdirectory.com/podcasts/9251, but not sure how much longer they will be there. Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.mavetju.org edwin@mavetju.org | Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 2 15:01:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F23CD16A400 for ; Wed, 2 May 2007 15:01:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A59313C447 for ; Wed, 2 May 2007 15:01:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz ([69.27.149.254]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l42F1atU035188; Wed, 2 May 2007 10:01:37 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <4638A7C8.5050304@daleco.biz> Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 10:01:28 -0500 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070418 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Stapleton References: <80f4f2b20705011157t7ea3ff86yc7fd5dd76625a928@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <80f4f2b20705011157t7ea3ff86yc7fd5dd76625a928@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: thinking of freebsd public literature X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 15:01:40 -0000 Jim Stapleton wrote: > I notice a dearth of FreeBSD books by various publishers. It might > help to have a nice book out by a big publisher. Any interested in > and/or knowledgeable enough to write a book for O'Reilly Press (or > some other big company, but they seem to be top dog for a lot of tech > books). I could help to an extent, but I'm not heavily knowledgeable > enough about security, and really have only been using the OS for > about a year. > > -Jim Stapleton Hmm, "Grog" (Greg) Lehey has "The Complete FreeBSD". The original version is very old, but he updates it and has had several updated editions published. He recently released the sources and compiled formats via an F/OSS license (CCL?); I can't exactly remember his reasons (anniversary of original publication, I think?) for doing so, but it's a fine book and a canonical reference. Michael Lucas has been a prolific author --- Absolute (pre)BSD, with versions of "Open" and others[?] for (pre). (And the original, IIRC, was simply "Absolute BSD" but I don't remember which Projects he concentrated on). I believe these are published by O'Reilly. Note that FreeBSD (like most projects of its nature) is quite the moving target, and many readers seem to prefer a short "how-to" (which varies somewhat from release to release) as opposed to a larger more in-depth text. This could, perhaps, explain the situation to some extent? The BSD Certification Group (bsdcertification.org) has a BSD Associate's Courseware DVD which contains Project docs, Lehey's book, and more. A collaborative effort to write a book/study guide has been online at bsdwiki.reedmedia.net. I don't believe we met our deadlines, but I assume that it's still a valid WIP. Finally, check out the thread "Is FreeBSD simple enough for Novices, Will FreeBSD accept Office 98 + Publisher" currently ending on questions@. Ted Mittelstaedt (author of "The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide", published by Addison-Wesley) gives an analysis that might also help to explain the "dearth of FreeBSD books by various publishers" in the last post. HTH, Kevin Kinsey -- Surprise due today. Also the rent. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 3 11:57:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DADE816A402 for ; Thu, 3 May 2007 11:57:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dlavigne6@sympatico.ca) Received: from tomts26-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts26.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7506113C469 for ; Thu, 3 May 2007 11:57:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dlavigne6@sympatico.ca) Received: from smtp1.sympatico.ca ([209.226.175.146]) by tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with SMTP id <20070503111733.EGIW1723.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca>; Thu, 3 May 2007 07:17:33 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.11 (webedge20-101-194-20030622) From: To: Kevin Kinsey ,Jim Stapleton Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 7:17:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20070503111733.EGIW1723.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: thinking of freebsd public literature X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 11:57:29 -0000 > Jim Stapleton wrote: > > I notice a dearth of FreeBSD books by various publishers. It might > > help to have a nice book out by a big publisher. Any interested in > > and/or knowledgeable enough to write a book for O'Reilly Press (or > > some other big company, but they seem to be top dog for a lot of tech > > books). I could help to an extent, but I'm not heavily knowledgeable > > enough about security, and really have only been using the OS for > > about a year. > > Finally, check out the thread "Is FreeBSD simple enough for Novices, > Will FreeBSD accept Office 98 + Publisher" currently ending on questions@. > Ted Mittelstaedt (author of "The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide", > published by Addison-Wesley) gives an analysis that might also help to > explain the "dearth of FreeBSD books by various publishers" in the last post. I echo Ted's statements. For example, O'Reilly uses trend analysis software: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2006/view/e_spkr/1825 If your topic isn't one of the top 5 words on their report (and trust me, BSD is not), it isn't relevant. Most publishers do a similar analysis and use the results to decide which books to push. For example, a typical publisher may publish 500 books a year, but only the 20 of which are perceived to be the top sellers will be promoted in their marketing campaigns. Book sellers respond to those campaigns and assign shelf space accordingly. No Starch (which publishes all of Michael Lucas' books) is the only technical publisher I'm aware of that still follows the old model. If Bill thinks someone will be interested enough in the topic to buy the book and the author writes good stuff, he will publish it. Bill also markets all of his books equally. As a side note, I will never go through a traditional publisher again (for a multitude of reasons I won't relate here) and my upcoming next book is being self-published. Cheers, Dru http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/unix/bsd