From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 12 20:22:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19D9516A418 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:22:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thierry@pompo.net) Received: from emma.lautre.net (emma.lautre.net [80.67.160.69]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6FB13C458 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:22:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thierry@pompo.net) Received: by graf.pompo.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B46C811438; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:02:11 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:02:11 +0200 From: Thierry Thomas To: FreeBSD-advocacy Message-ID: <20070912200211.GB23911@graf.pompo.net> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD-advocacy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="H1spWtNR+x+ondvy" Content-Disposition: inline X-Face: (hRbQnK~Pt7$ct`!fupO(`y_WL4^-Iwn4@ly-.,[4xC4xc; y=\ipKMNm<1J>lv@PP~7Z<.t KjAnXLs: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE i386 Organization: Kabbale Eros X-PGP: 0xC71405A2 Subject: What Linux^W distribution would you most like to see supported on a ThinkPad? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:22:04 -0000 --H1spWtNR+x+ondvy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lenovo is asking this at and, yes!, FreeBSD is a proposed choice. ATM, the first choice is "Anyone that refuses to carry binary-only drivers, so that all others will also benefit, as it will require documented hardware", which is also a very good choice. Regards, --=20 Th. Thomas. --H1spWtNR+x+ondvy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFG6EXDc95pjMcUBaIRAmRzAJ9lWFt9eiBV31tVsVAgoxaTbmiUigCffkmF 3zYL8z/7AD5JvuDBgNuaIHs= =fPa4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --H1spWtNR+x+ondvy-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 12 21:30:19 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FDA116A419; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:30:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlecic@EUnet.yu) Received: from smtpclu-7.EUnet.yu (smtpclu-7.eunet.yu [194.247.192.232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1383413C46B; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:30:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlecic@EUnet.yu) Received: from nyx.localhost (adsl-251-7.eunet.yu [213.198.251.7]) by smtpclu-7.EUnet.yu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l8CJbDoW031283; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:37:14 +0200 Message-Id: <200709121937.l8CJbDoW031283@smtpclu-7.EUnet.yu> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:57:53 +0200 From: Nikola Lecic To: Thierry Thomas In-Reply-To: <20070912200211.GB23911@graf.pompo.net> References: <20070912200211.GB23911@graf.pompo.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE X-Face: pbl6-.[$G'Fi(Ogs2xlXP-V6{3||$Y[LOYs&~GJoikj'cVjcFC[V7du;;0~6nO= [Vi2?uU1Pq~,=Adj@,T:|"`$AF~il]J.Nz#2pU',Y7.{B;m/?{#sO^Dvo$rnmY6] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-EUNET-AVAS-Milter-Version: 2.0.0 X-AVAS-Virus-Status: clean X-AVAS-Spamd-Symbols: BAYES_00,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY X-AVAS-Spam-Score: -2.6 Cc: FreeBSD-advocacy Subject: Re: What Linux^W distribution would you most like to see supported on a ThinkPad? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:30:19 -0000 On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:02:11 +0200 Thierry Thomas wrote: > Lenovo is asking this at > and, yes!, FreeBSD is a proposed choice. ... listed as a Linux distro. :| Nikola Le=C4=8Di=C4=87 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 12 22:00:22 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A23516A46C; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:00:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ler@lerctr.org) Received: from thebighonker.lerctr.org (thebighonker.lerctr.org [192.147.25.65]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C970C13C46C; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:00:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ler@lerctr.org) Received: from thebighonker.lerctr.org ([192.147.25.65]:57982) by thebighonker.lerctr.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IVZqI-000HlD-0e; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:33:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:33:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Larry Rosenman To: Nikola Lecic In-Reply-To: <200709121937.l8CJbDoW031283@smtpclu-7.EUnet.yu> Message-ID: <20070912163318.K68255@thebighonker.lerctr.org> References: <20070912200211.GB23911@graf.pompo.net> <200709121937.l8CJbDoW031283@smtpclu-7.EUnet.yu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) X-LERCTR-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) X-Spam-Report: SpamScore (-4.4/5.0) ALL_TRUSTED=-1.8,BAYES_00=-2.599 X-LERCTR-Spam-Report: SpamScore (-4.4/5.0) ALL_TRUSTED=-1.8,BAYES_00=-2.599 DomainKey-Status: no signature Cc: Thierry Thomas , FreeBSD-advocacy Subject: Re: What Linux^W distribution would you most like to see supported on a ThinkPad? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:00:22 -0000 On Wed, 12 Sep 2007, Nikola Lecic wrote: > On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:02:11 +0200 > Thierry Thomas wrote: > >> Lenovo is asking this at >> and, yes!, FreeBSD is a proposed choice. > > ... listed as a Linux distro. :| I always take "Linux" as a proxy for "Open-Source OS" in these type of polls. LER -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 512-248-2683 E-Mail: ler@lerctr.org US Mail: 430 Valona Loop, Round Rock, TX 78681-3893 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 12 22:45:35 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7DDF16A419 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:45:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-58.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-58.bluehost.com [69.89.20.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 883CA13C457 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:45:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 7319 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 2007 22:18:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by mailproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2007 22:18:54 -0000 Received: from c-24-9-123-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.9.123.251] helo=demeter.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1IVaXt-0003DY-S0 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:18:54 -0600 Received: from demeter.hydra (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l8C0cT2H008831 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:38:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (from ren@localhost) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l8C0cT7F008830 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:38:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) X-Authentication-Warning: demeter.hydra: ren set sender to perrin@apotheon.com using -f Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:38:28 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD-advocacy Message-ID: <20070912003828.GA8807@demeter.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD-advocacy References: <20070912200211.GB23911@graf.pompo.net> <200709121937.l8CJbDoW031283@smtpclu-7.EUnet.yu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200709121937.l8CJbDoW031283@smtpclu-7.EUnet.yu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.net} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 24.9.123.251 authed with apotheon.com} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box183.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [737 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com Subject: Re: What Linux^W distribution would you most like to see supported on a ThinkPad? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:45:35 -0000 On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 10:57:53PM +0200, Nikola Lecic wrote: > On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:02:11 +0200 > Thierry Thomas wrote: > > > Lenovo is asking this at > > and, yes!, FreeBSD is a proposed choice. > > ... listed as a Linux distro. :| I bet if it got a substantial showing in that poll more people would start noticing things like the fact FreeBSD isn't a Linux distribution. Maybe not may more -- but it'd be a step in the right direction. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Brian K. Reid: "In computer science, we stand on each other's feet." From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 12 23:36:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927E716A417 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 23:36:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from supernews.unixathome.org (supernews.unixathome.org [216.168.29.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A53013C459 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 23:36:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by supernews.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 738D717028 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:21:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from supernews.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (supernews.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wFFF40Ko21yJ for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [76.110.86.209]) by supernews.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7DBB1701A for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.55.0.99] (wocker.unixathome.org [10.55.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6221DB880 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:14:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:20:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <46E83BE5.7095.62C0AFA6@dan.langille.org> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20070912163318.K68255@thebighonker.lerctr.org> References: <20070912200211.GB23911@graf.pompo.net>, <200709121937.l8CJbDoW031283@smtpclu-7.EUnet.yu>, <20070912163318.K68255@thebighonker.lerctr.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Cc: Subject: Re: What Linux^W distribution would you most like to see supported on a ThinkPad? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 23:36:20 -0000 On 12 Sep 2007 at 16:33, Larry Rosenman wrote: > On Wed, 12 Sep 2007, Nikola Lecic wrote: > > > On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:02:11 +0200 > > Thierry Thomas wrote: > > > >> Lenovo is asking this at > >> and, yes!, FreeBSD is a proposed choice. > > > > ... listed as a Linux distro. :| > > I always take "Linux" as a proxy for "Open-Source OS" in these type of polls. It appears that anyone can add a new choice to the poll. -- Dan Langille - http://www.langille.org/ Available for hire: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 13 01:16:55 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B8C16A419 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 01:16:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@bitfreak.org) Received: from mail.twinthornes.com (mail.twinthornes.com [65.75.198.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC0213C428 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 01:16:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@bitfreak.org) Received: from [10.9.70.100] (pool-71-117-232-141.ptldor.fios.verizon.net [71.117.232.141]) by mail.twinthornes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5782187; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:49:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46E8891A.3050008@bitfreak.org> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:49:30 -0700 From: Darren Pilgrim User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Rosenman References: <20070912200211.GB23911@graf.pompo.net> <200709121937.l8CJbDoW031283@smtpclu-7.EUnet.yu> <20070912163318.K68255@thebighonker.lerctr.org> In-Reply-To: <20070912163318.K68255@thebighonker.lerctr.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD-advocacy Subject: Re: What Linux^W distribution would you most like to see supported on a ThinkPad? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 01:16:55 -0000 Larry Rosenman wrote: > I always take "Linux" as a proxy for "Open-Source OS" in these type > of polls. Linux: The xerox of the open-source OS community. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 13 17:48:41 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB8B16A420 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:48:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joao.barros@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8D1B13C494 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:48:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joao.barros@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so550601nfb for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:48:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=0B2BaQ5cHmgXuz2Bh1lBaP65Thjxnbz26dYPa9MGS1s=; b=R1XpxaNXuEQ4owRZmaE6QZ32hJzGZka6RYxvgu800EH6sRI/eAj0P2N6qpVY3JXERDp+9+g6TyVJEAUNMSmqDKBtbraIxIgifeFjamVuE5wA1nNRUD5GojYxa3e8B5a2sEHi06MxwdA9SczK43QJs1XezZc1ERIfneqDPDQW/Yc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=m9spgks1MviZi4i+izTa1H/fLXagbbvI+QOANPekVVS7lYDZhoZcmlI3m5S3+VoK6pZHBtiyuFua1eBue5L/2LRxOFSSaJyGYzdD/m09MC6JYL+gmWX2HgNkh9193w6hIsWfaJvTpOLah2kR8rjXfRx0kzvKTt3v3UIxhVH3Ae4= Received: by 10.78.188.10 with SMTP id l10mr523606huf.1189704164884; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:22:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.187.16 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:22:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <70e8236f0709131022n395eab44u8eaea3b96eddc365@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:22:39 +0100 From: "Joao Barros" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?FreeBSD_at_=22I_F=F3rum_Software_Livre=22_in_Port?= =?iso-8859-1?q?ugal?= X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:48:41 -0000 There will be an open source event on the 12th and 13th of October in Lisbon, Portugal, called the "I F=F3rum Software Livre" [1] Among other things FreeBSD will be mentioned (there's one talk about FreeBSD at the moment) and I'm thinking of making one about FreeBSD 7 and it's major improvement: Performance. I've already collected some points for reference: - Bind performance: http://people.freebsd.org/~dougb/bind-resperf.png - Jeff Roberson blog and scheduler improvements - Kris Kennaway Scalability Update: http://people.freebsd.org/~kris/scaling/Scalability%20Update.pdf - Kris Kennaway MySQL vs Postgres on FreeBSD: http://obsecurity.dyndns.org/sysbench-write.png (offline) - http://blog.insidesystems.net/articles/2007/04/11/postgresql-scaling-on-6= -2-and-7-0 I was hoping to get more information and/or benchmarks FreeBDS CURRENT vs FreeBSD 6, FreeBSD vs Linux,etc that I could use to make a showoff of FreeBSD :) I'm cc'ing Kris to see if he can get his machine online and ask for permission to use parts of his documentation. [1] http://www.softwarelivre.com.pt/index.php --=20 Joao Barros From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 13 17:56:49 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3EF616A469 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:56:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-48.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-48.bluehost.com [69.89.18.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B700A13C474 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:56:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 19752 invoked by uid 0); 13 Sep 2007 17:56:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by mailproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2007 17:56:46 -0000 Received: from c-24-9-123-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.9.123.251] helo=demeter.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1IVsvl-0007WN-VG for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:56:46 -0600 Received: from demeter.hydra (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l8CKGM1P013304 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:16:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (from ren@localhost) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l8CKGL32013303 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:16:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) X-Authentication-Warning: demeter.hydra: ren set sender to perrin@apotheon.com using -f Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:16:21 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD-advocacy Message-ID: <20070912201621.GA13062@demeter.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD-advocacy References: <20070912200211.GB23911@graf.pompo.net> <200709121937.l8CJbDoW031283@smtpclu-7.EUnet.yu> <20070912163318.K68255@thebighonker.lerctr.org> <46E8891A.3050008@bitfreak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <46E8891A.3050008@bitfreak.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.net} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 24.9.123.251 authed with apotheon.com} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box183.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [737 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com Subject: Re: What Linux^W distribution would you most like to see supported on a ThinkPad? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:56:49 -0000 On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 05:49:30PM -0700, Darren Pilgrim wrote: > Larry Rosenman wrote: > >I always take "Linux" as a proxy for "Open-Source OS" in these type > >of polls. > > Linux: The xerox of the open-source OS community. . . . or maybe the kleenex. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Thomas McCauley: "The measure of a man's real character is what he would do if he knew he would never be found out." From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 13 18:02:16 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C33616A418 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:02:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from weak.local (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B9B13C45A; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:02:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <46E97B24.5070105@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:02:12 +0200 From: Kris Kennaway User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joao Barros References: <70e8236f0709131022n395eab44u8eaea3b96eddc365@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <70e8236f0709131022n395eab44u8eaea3b96eddc365@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD at "I =?iso-8859-1?q?F=F3rum_Software_Livre=22_in_Por?= =?iso-8859-1?q?tugal?= X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:02:16 -0000 Joao Barros wrote: > There will be an open source event on the 12th and 13th of October in > Lisbon, Portugal, called the "I Fórum Software Livre" [1] > Among other things FreeBSD will be mentioned (there's one talk about > FreeBSD at the moment) and I'm thinking of making one about FreeBSD 7 > and it's major improvement: Performance. > > I've already collected some points for reference: > - Bind performance: http://people.freebsd.org/~dougb/bind-resperf.png > - Jeff Roberson blog and scheduler improvements > - Kris Kennaway Scalability Update: > http://people.freebsd.org/~kris/scaling/Scalability%20Update.pdf > - Kris Kennaway MySQL vs Postgres on FreeBSD: > http://obsecurity.dyndns.org/sysbench-write.png (offline) > - http://blog.insidesystems.net/articles/2007/04/11/postgresql-scaling-on-6-2-and-7-0 > > I was hoping to get more information and/or benchmarks FreeBDS CURRENT > vs FreeBSD 6, FreeBSD vs Linux,etc that I could use to make a showoff > of FreeBSD :) > > I'm cc'ing Kris to see if he can get his machine online and ask for > permission to use parts of his documentation. > > [1] http://www.softwarelivre.com.pt/index.php Unfortunately the machine is somewhere in the middle of the atlantic ocean at the moment (I forgot to transfer the website elsewhere before shipping). Well, I have the hard drive with me but don't have a way to access it. Kris From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 14 08:50:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6B1816A420 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:50:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from thin.berklix.org (thin.berklix.org [194.246.123.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 486D413C480 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:50:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A63B3.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.99.179]) (authenticated bits=128) by thin.berklix.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l8E8oIf0051261 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:50:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l8E8oCS8063170 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:50:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost.js.berklix.net [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l8E8oC99020313 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:50:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <200709140850.l8E8oC99020313@fire.js.berklix.net> To: FreeBSD-advocacy In-reply-to: <20070912200211.GB23911@graf.pompo.net> References: <20070912200211.GB23911@graf.pompo.net> Comments: In-reply-to Thierry Thomas message dated "Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:02:11 +0200." Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:50:12 +0200 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Subject: Re: What Linux^W distribution would you most like to see supported on a ThinkPad? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:50:25 -0000 > Lenovo is asking this at > and, yes!, FreeBSD is a proposed choice. > > ATM, the first choice is "Anyone that refuses to carry binary-only > drivers, so that all others will also benefit, as it will require > documented hardware", which is also a very good choice. I of course like source too, but this rather destroys the force of that argument: On FreeBSD-6.2-RELEASE: man nve then go use find on /usr/src. it's a BLOB < Linux & MS compat PS there's source coming in from elsewhere now for man nfe in 7-current & patches for stable & 6.2 Summary: binary only doesnt seem to have precluded FreeBSD in case of nve, though again, yes we all prefer source avail. too :-) -- Julian Stacey. Munich Computer Consultant, BSD Unix C Linux. http://berklix.com Ihr Rauch=mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. Dump cigs 4 snuff. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 14 09:28:50 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6723416A478 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:28:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jaj@hcl-club.lu) Received: from 0b10111.de (hcl-club.lu [62.75.155.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377E813C4D1 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:28:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jaj@hcl-club.lu) Received: from localhost (4be54-4-82-234-154-189.fbx.proxad.net [82.234.154.189]) by 0b10111.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D5D872C43A; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:04:29 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:04:25 +0200 From: Jona Joachim To: "Julian H. Stacey" Message-ID: <20070914110425.6b9db11b@localhost> In-Reply-To: <200709140850.l8E8oC99020313@fire.js.berklix.net> References: <20070912200211.GB23911@graf.pompo.net> <200709140850.l8E8oC99020313@fire.js.berklix.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) X-Face: &>dujC`JZV!}?Y^1"%N{x!f+rW}; PX\_Cg[!|MA~tn3ebIKM|~p=,,U~YJt,Exd`Spk.1Ln zg, Q]0=:!/LTs-eg.Fz, @giLyD'D=s, L\-AJyZ8tcV`kPifedMA@rhoEikoo~K%@iDLNq2?aHZjIt) GqBY7o#9+8j/uuXDVG3`XFEH_4$T%._*%;|vIaP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD-advocacy Subject: Re: What Linux^W distribution would you most like to see supported on a ThinkPad? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:28:50 -0000 On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:50:12 +0200 "Julian H. Stacey" wrote: > > Lenovo is asking this at > > and, yes!, FreeBSD is > > a proposed choice. > > > > ATM, the first choice is "Anyone that refuses to carry binary-only > > drivers, so that all others will also benefit, as it will require > > documented hardware", which is also a very good choice. > > I of course like source too, > but this rather destroys the force of that argument: > On FreeBSD-6.2-RELEASE: > man nve > then go use find on /usr/src. it's a BLOB < Linux & MS compat > PS there's source coming in from elsewhere now for > man nfe > in 7-current & patches for stable & 6.2 > > Summary: binary only doesnt seem to have precluded FreeBSD in case of > nve, though again, yes we all prefer source avail. too :-) Yup, the only mainstream operating systems / distributions that match "Anyone that refuses to carry binary-only drivers, so that all others will also benefit, as it will require documented hardware" are Debian GNU/Linux and OpenBSD. Jona -- "I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and tell you that you are free." Eris, Goddess Of Chaos, Discord & Confusion