From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 4 03:54:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B2E616A481; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 03:54:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FFE713C448; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 03:54:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.187]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3A57B46D15; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 00:37:50 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.187]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 98299-06; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 00:37:50 -0300 (ADT) Received: from fserv.hub.org (blk-89-241-126.eastlink.ca [24.89.241.126]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0552BB46CF8; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 00:37:50 -0300 (ADT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (unknown [192.168.1.2]) by fserv.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8216EAAC2; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 00:37:48 -0300 (ADT) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 00:37:47 -0300 From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, users@lists.dragonflybsd.org, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, Thorsten Glaser , Gonzalo Martinez - Sanjuan Sanchez , midnightbsd-users@stargazer.midnightbsd.org, miros-discuss@66h.42h.de, general@desktopbsd.net, announce@lists.pcbsd.org, public@lists.pcbsd.org Message-ID: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 04:07:25 +0000 Cc: Subject: BSDstats Statistics for Sept, 2007 ... 12 769 Hosts Reported In X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 03:54:13 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Percentage Change in September from August: Overall +12.8% Broken down as: DesktopBSD -12.4% ( 542 hosts) DragonFly 0.0% ( 20 hosts) FreeBSD - 7.4% (5008 hosts) GNU/kFreeBSD -20.0% ( 4 hosts) MidnightBSD +50.0% ( 3 hosts) MirBSD -55.2% ( 13 hosts) NetBSD +21.2% ( 126 hosts) OpenBSD -15.5% ( 71 hosts) PC-BSD +38.3% (6980 hosts) Project Objective: "The mission of this site is to compile semi-accurate numbers for advocacy and marketing of the *BSD operating systems." PC-BSD, to the best of our knowledge, is the only one that defaults to enabled, while the rest have to be enabled manually. For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats to set things up. Since we don't have any 'trend reports' on the site yet, please feel free to visit to see changes from July -> August ... If you aren't participating, we very much encourage you to start ... the report script is a shell script, so you can scan it to figure out what, exactly, is being sent in .. and there is only one level of reporting that is required, and that is Operating System + Version ... Device and Ports reporting are 100% optional ... For those that are participating ... once more, thank you ... and spread the word, we need more ... - ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHBGAL4QvfyHIvDvMRAhfyAJ433XfF7O4GaYcA1BfJ5w64WgZYuQCghU7G E8gV6yda7KvgWfc9/iLuitM= =kyS9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 6 13:51:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D5F216A469 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 13:51:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from miguel@anjos.strangled.net) Received: from mailrly07.isp.novis.pt (mailrly07.isp.novis.pt [195.23.133.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 790F213C469 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 13:51:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from miguel@anjos.strangled.net) Received: (qmail 27362 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2007 13:24:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailfrt02.isp.novis.pt) ([195.23.133.194]) (envelope-sender ) by mailrly07.isp.novis.pt with compressed SMTP; 6 Oct 2007 13:24:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 27686 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2007 13:24:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO satan.anjos.strangled.net) ([89.181.41.161]) (envelope-sender ) by mailfrt02.isp.novis.pt with SMTP; 6 Oct 2007 13:24:30 -0000 Received: from satan.anjos.strangled.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by satan.anjos.strangled.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l95C5vbI002503; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:05:59 +0100 (WEST) (envelope-from miguel@satan.anjos.strangled.net) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by satan.anjos.strangled.net (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id l95C5u3r002502; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:05:56 +0100 (WEST) (envelope-from miguel) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:05:56 +0100 (WEST) From: Miguel Lopes Santos Ramos Message-Id: <200710051205.l95C5u3r002502@satan.anjos.strangled.net> To: scrappy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSDstats Statistics for Sept, 2007 ... 12 769 Hosts Reported In X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 13:51:13 -0000 > From: "Marc G. Fournier" [...] > Percentage Change in September from August: > > Overall +12.8% [...] > FreeBSD - 7.4% (5008 hosts) Numbers have gone down as to what FreeBSD is concerned. I think it's because the bsdstats script is becoming a bit of a pain... - The script keeps being changed and updated... - The script now wants to run on startup, which is a pain. Why? What was wrong with monthly reports? Why the haste? In my case it runs before an HTTP proxy is up and running... I had to disable it. Why on earth enabled by default? That's not what most ports do... The FreeBSD user is usually expected to manually enable the port after installing it. - Only now I realised that it is still reporting monthly... Otherwise it would have been deactivated for my machine. While a lot of us understands the interest of this, and even takes the time to take a look at how it's done, we also don't have the time to keep peting it every time it changes behaviour. The first reaction might be uninstall the port. Also, I think the enabled by default thing is a very bad idea. Consider when you're deploying a BSD in an enterprise environment; not everybody might understand imediatly that it would be beneficial to have that thing reporting automatically and by default... Greetings, Miguel From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 6 16:49:19 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D71916A418 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:49:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-43.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-43.bluehost.com [69.89.18.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2F89F13C4AC for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:49:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 25220 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2007 16:49:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by mailproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2007 16:49:17 -0000 Received: from c-24-9-123-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.9.123.251] helo=demeter.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IeCq5-0004jG-Oz for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 10:49:17 -0600 Received: from demeter.hydra (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l95J8tFU056386 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:08:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (from ren@localhost) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l95J8tGF056385 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:08:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) X-Authentication-Warning: demeter.hydra: ren set sender to perrin@apotheon.com using -f Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:08:54 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071005190854.GB56296@demeter.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <200710051205.l95C5u3r002502@satan.anjos.strangled.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200710051205.l95C5u3r002502@satan.anjos.strangled.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.net} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 24.9.123.251 authed with apotheon.com} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box183.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [737 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com Subject: Re: BSDstats Statistics for Sept, 2007 ... 12 769 Hosts Reported In X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 16:49:19 -0000 On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 01:05:56PM +0100, Miguel Lopes Santos Ramos wrote: > > From: "Marc G. Fournier" > [...] > > Percentage Change in September from August: > > > > Overall +12.8% > [...] > > FreeBSD - 7.4% (5008 hosts) > > Numbers have gone down as to what FreeBSD is concerned. > I think it's because the bsdstats script is becoming a bit of a pain... > - The script keeps being changed and updated... > - The script now wants to run on startup, which is a pain. Why? What was wrong > with monthly reports? Why the haste? In my case it runs before an HTTP proxy is > up and running... I had to disable it. Why on earth enabled by default? That's > not what most ports do... The FreeBSD user is usually expected to manually > enable the port after installing it. > - Only now I realised that it is still reporting monthly... Otherwise it would > have been deactivated for my machine. I don't have any problem with running on start-up, or daily, or whatever (as long as it's not in constant communication with the mothership, sucking up bandwidth and system resources). I just wish that, succeed or fail, it wasn't so damned slow. I don't need my bootup time or my networking restart time slowed down by several minutes. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Leon Festinger: "A man with a conviction is a hard man to change. Tell him you disagree and he turns away. Show him facts and figures and he questions your sources. Appeal to logic and he fails to see your point."