From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 00:29:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E334016A41B for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 00:29:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@ixsystems.com) Received: from nlpi029.prodigy.net (nlpi029.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3E613C447 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 00:29:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@ixsystems.com) X-ORBL: [69.230.96.213] Received: from macloft (adsl-69-230-96-213.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [69.230.96.213]) by nlpi029.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lBU0TIxI006207; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:29:18 -0600 Message-Id: <4CAE3DD3-C4A2-46DD-82D7-1C7C52379990@ixsystems.com> From: Matt Olander To: advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <2fd864e0712291619l585083f6gb9a2282ccf8442d3@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:29:18 -0800 References: <4359E35F-FB95-4B0E-BE9A-A14FE0DAD7FC@ixsystems.com> <459FC0A9-5FB8-4AEE-8234-F50A2CAA7CDB@ixsystems.com> <2fd864e0712291619l585083f6gb9a2282ccf8442d3@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Cc: Subject: Re: [OT] Helpful Advocacy... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 00:29:21 -0000 On Dec 29, 2007, at 4:19 PM, Astrodog wrote: > The first part, "Talk to my computer people.", shows a remarkable > ammount of restraint. As anyone who has dealt with end users knows, > often times, they will attempt many incorrect things, before talking > to the "computer people". > > The second part demonstrates a clear understanding of what its like to > attempt to patch, or for that matter, build, or even use KDE. I doubt > anyone here would argue that it does not "mess with your head", so > clearly, "use other software" is sound advice! Haha, definitely neat. What I'm curious about is why this would be the number one question for him. Does anybody know if the Ukrainian government is using KDE/FreeBSD heavily? best, -matt -- Matt Olander CTO, iXsystems - "Servers for Open Source" http://www.iXsystems.com Public Relations, The FreeBSD Project http://www.FreeBSD.org BSD on the Desktop! http://www.pcbsd.org Phone: (408)943-4100 ext. 113 Fax: (408)943-4101 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 00:47:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2808F16A468 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 00:47:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from astrodog@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF0E813C447 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 00:47:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from astrodog@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so4455400rvb.43 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:47:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=V9xhz3VBJtMqg3Mq4VYj3EUHra9Gdk46nk9t6LRKZzM=; b=yAO09kAuWRVvePl9X3CrkkJISt1cx4xmXl3bL+nR97SQpMG3LtPDvo8+GJmIY/j9B2iml/uppRDS/n8o4Op03nQNcgAl+L2t3YTCwDINfI09Ck4OtzcOwt3W6+OYlbbT/7tNE5l3lVXcm2Ipt6F9p5VE+cuk1u4vEwn4c7dOiR8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=O5zTcTADgzYxDsr5eOjyMmGU+SQUNYwYtRIe0HgviBlvG8RAhH776L5DFtf2qieG0EdBMiGF3tCO/i7XWuuDNVSF23eKwBHFHDS6WHzB8LCPNZOpFDQp/a+ly1GUNjJgEvLfijIa1yuBSEDrh7jd+p2JoCRtWOao2V0KXCbJj7w= Received: by 10.140.163.3 with SMTP id l3mr5613515rve.57.1198973990203; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:19:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.74.5 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:19:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2fd864e0712291619l585083f6gb9a2282ccf8442d3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:19:50 +0900 From: Astrodog To: "Matt Olander" In-Reply-To: <459FC0A9-5FB8-4AEE-8234-F50A2CAA7CDB@ixsystems.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4359E35F-FB95-4B0E-BE9A-A14FE0DAD7FC@ixsystems.com> <459FC0A9-5FB8-4AEE-8234-F50A2CAA7CDB@ixsystems.com> Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [OT] Helpful Advocacy... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 00:47:25 -0000 On Dec 30, 2007 8:45 AM, Matt Olander wrote: > > On Dec 29, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Matt Olander wrote: > > > On Dec 29, 2007, at 4:53 AM, TooMany Secrets wrote: > > > >> Ucranian President making a note about KDE and FreeBSD: > >> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyOWzKr0GRU > > > > > > Great! Can anybody translate this? > > > Nevermind, I see a synopsis under About This Video. > I have to say, I'm impressed with his response. The first part, "Talk to my computer people.", shows a remarkable ammount of restraint. As anyone who has dealt with end users knows, often times, they will attempt many incorrect things, before talking to the "computer people". The second part demonstrates a clear understanding of what its like to attempt to patch, or for that matter, build, or even use KDE. I doubt anyone here would argue that it does not "mess with your head", so clearly, "use other software" is sound advice! --- Harrison "Paint it Blue" Grundy From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 13:01:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EB6516A46E for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:01:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toomany@toomany.net) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.183]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0D2713C4E1 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:01:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toomany@toomany.net) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so7312838waf.3 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:01:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.58.1 with SMTP id g1mr11954152waa.91.1199018176778; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 04:36:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.23.14 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 04:36:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:36:16 +0100 From: "TooMany Secrets" To: advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4CAE3DD3-C4A2-46DD-82D7-1C7C52379990@ixsystems.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline References: <4359E35F-FB95-4B0E-BE9A-A14FE0DAD7FC@ixsystems.com> <459FC0A9-5FB8-4AEE-8234-F50A2CAA7CDB@ixsystems.com> <2fd864e0712291619l585083f6gb9a2282ccf8442d3@mail.gmail.com> <4CAE3DD3-C4A2-46DD-82D7-1C7C52379990@ixsystems.com> Cc: Subject: Re: [OT] Helpful Advocacy... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:01:58 -0000 T24gMTIvMzAvMDcsIE1hdHQgT2xhbmRlciA8bWF0dEBpeHN5c3RlbXMuY29tPiB3cm90ZToKPiBI YWhhLCBkZWZpbml0ZWx5IG5lYXQuIFdoYXQgSSdtIGN1cmlvdXMgYWJvdXQgaXMgd2h5IHRoaXMg d291bGQgYmUgdGhlCj4gbnVtYmVyIG9uZSBxdWVzdGlvbiBmb3IgaGltLiBEb2VzIGFueWJvZHkg a25vdyBpZiB0aGUgVWtyYWluaWFuCj4gZ292ZXJubWVudCBpcyB1c2luZyBLREUvRnJlZUJTRCBo ZWF2aWx5PwoKSSBkb24ndCBrbm93LCBidXQgSSBrbm93IHRoYXQgRnJlZUJTRCBoYXMgYSBsYXJn ZSBiYXNlIG9mIHVzZXJzIGludG8KdGhlICJFYXN0IENvdW50cnkncyIgaW4gRXVyb3BlLgoKLS0g CkhhdmUgYSBuaWNlIGRheSAgOy0pClRvb01hbnlTZWNyZXRzCgo9PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09CkRpam8gQ29uZnVjaW86CiJFeMOtZ2V0ZSBtdWNobyBhIHRpIG1pc21vIHkgZXNw ZXJhIHBvY28gZGUgbG9zIGRlbcOhcy4gQXPDrSB0ZSBhaG9ycmFyw6FzCmRpc2d1c3Rvcy4iCj09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0K From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 14:32:28 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52CE216A418 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:32:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vadim_nuclight@mail.ru) Received: from mx28.mail.ru (mx28.mail.ru [194.67.23.67]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09BD013C465 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:32:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vadim_nuclight@mail.ru) Received: from mx34.mail.ru (mx34.mail.ru [194.67.23.200]) by mx28.mail.ru (mPOP.Fallback_MX) with ESMTP id 0B84811811D for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:38:27 +0300 (MSK) Received: from [78.140.2.250] (port=57079 helo=nuclight.avtf.net) by mx34.mail.ru with esmtp id 1J8wUr-0006Vc-00 for advocacy@freebsd.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:38:25 +0300 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:38:22 +0600 To: advocacy@freebsd.org References: <4359E35F-FB95-4B0E-BE9A-A14FE0DAD7FC@ixsystems.com> <459FC0A9-5FB8-4AEE-8234-F50A2CAA7CDB@ixsystems.com> <2fd864e0712291619l585083f6gb9a2282ccf8442d3@mail.gmail.com> <4CAE3DD3-C4A2-46DD-82D7-1C7C52379990@ixsystems.com> From: "Vadim Goncharov" Organization: AVTF TPU Hostel Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=koi8-r MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4CAE3DD3-C4A2-46DD-82D7-1C7C52379990@ixsystems.com> User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (Win32, build 3865) Cc: Subject: Ukrainian President and KDE2 on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:32:28 -0000 30.12.07 @ 06:29 Matt Olander wrote: >> The first part, "Talk to my computer people.", shows a remarkable >> ammount of restraint. As anyone who has dealt with end users knows, >> often times, they will attempt many incorrect things, before talking >> to the "computer people". >> >> The second part demonstrates a clear understanding of what its like to >> attempt to patch, or for that matter, build, or even use KDE. I doubt >> anyone here would argue that it does not "mess with your head", so >> clearly, "use other software" is sound advice! > > > Haha, definitely neat. What I'm curious about is why this would be the > number one question for him. Does anybody know if the Ukrainian > government is using KDE/FreeBSD heavily? Alas, I think, no. This question to Ukraninan president was a result of flashmob, with ex-USSR sociocultural IT origins in it. Several years ago in one of russian IRC-nets there were a dialog at a fan channel of Japan animation: - Is this channel about Anime? - Yes. - How do I patch KDE2 under FreeBSD? The humor was in that at these old times Anime-fans were almost all technical geeks and spent their time talking about Unix-like OSes, not about Anime. With years this quote about Anime and KDE became very popular (in fact, a mem). So when Presidents of Russia and Kazakhstan organized their conferences with questions coming via internet-voting, question about KDE2 won the first place (along with other humorous questions), though was never answered. Now, the answer at last was given by Ukrainian President, although not too-technical, so fans made a picture with "right answer": http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8606/kde2vr1.png ;-) -- WBR, Vadim Goncharov From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 14:37:56 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 920D116A418 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:37:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from astrodog@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.185]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 620F613C43E for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:37:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from astrodog@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so4590437rvb.43 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 06:37:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=5RsnlWJy0DrgVoQJof9EN3DhJ7iYIZ8Vx4VkM4VGnG8=; b=SUbhUm9wz1u7yqL14oDuLhzdBPn/+T1VVGMusbMCtMj38H9XInb56PJsd1eY5+JqohbiHCf8aPT8wtatj5+2YhsMj0OU9vG1MYVk3Z6SuRtyEzosLL2foBLHutbwDlgB0HIDUUYOsEluewmeEbhpQkpd7LpvLXGm2GPcLUo1N6A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BqLdbg8zMmvRtfTV7UEbqxM0i7C1o0J1B1lkwe+hvgMi1Nyg09xa9NP+Znj97sG/aFrtNuAKN54A41tj8l0VQ+9Acol8Kl1SjZSOsfCqfRoLJsI1DsjI+6sE2vJAUwwm9y4dS9LRTD1QfArGdWNHJAMh2kPcFhz5UXIsygqPJPY= Received: by 10.141.62.15 with SMTP id p15mr5827255rvk.159.1199025474812; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 06:37:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.74.5 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 06:37:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2fd864e0712300637i5e15e278s68722697b735e2b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:37:54 +0900 From: Astrodog To: "Vadim Goncharov" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4359E35F-FB95-4B0E-BE9A-A14FE0DAD7FC@ixsystems.com> <459FC0A9-5FB8-4AEE-8234-F50A2CAA7CDB@ixsystems.com> <2fd864e0712291619l585083f6gb9a2282ccf8442d3@mail.gmail.com> <4CAE3DD3-C4A2-46DD-82D7-1C7C52379990@ixsystems.com> Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ukrainian President and KDE2 on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:37:56 -0000 On Dec 30, 2007 8:38 PM, Vadim Goncharov wrote: > 30.12.07 @ 06:29 Matt Olander wrote: > > >> The first part, "Talk to my computer people.", shows a remarkable > >> ammount of restraint. As anyone who has dealt with end users knows, > >> often times, they will attempt many incorrect things, before talking > >> to the "computer people". > >> > >> The second part demonstrates a clear understanding of what its like to > >> attempt to patch, or for that matter, build, or even use KDE. I doubt > >> anyone here would argue that it does not "mess with your head", so > >> clearly, "use other software" is sound advice! > > > > > > Haha, definitely neat. What I'm curious about is why this would be the > > number one question for him. Does anybody know if the Ukrainian > > government is using KDE/FreeBSD heavily? > > Alas, I think, no. This question to Ukraninan president was a result of > flashmob, with ex-USSR sociocultural IT origins in it. Several years ago > in one of russian IRC-nets there were a dialog at a fan channel of Japan > animation: > > - Is this channel about Anime? > - Yes. > - How do I patch KDE2 under FreeBSD? > > The humor was in that at these old times Anime-fans were almost all > technical geeks and spent their time talking about Unix-like OSes, not > about Anime. With years this quote about Anime and KDE became very popular > (in fact, a mem). So when Presidents of Russia and Kazakhstan organized > their conferences with questions coming via internet-voting, question > about KDE2 won the first place (along with other humorous questions), > though was never answered. Now, the answer at last was given by Ukrainian > President, although not too-technical, so fans made a picture with "right > answer": > > http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8606/kde2vr1.png > > ;-) > > -- > WBR, Vadim Goncharov Heh. But that patches KDE3, not KDE2! --- Harrison