From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 21 03:10:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A7F16A401 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 03:10:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD1213C45D for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 03:10:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so711501uge for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:10:22 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qmZHH6ybavC9fwu6umds2pmzwG+JMu1HkJsXUN8//0n6Z7DH49d7lGw13+j1hxl2yUHx+HJs9LQkJcAG02maAEmmXCfU5jE/Ju10dqaTOYRFhjhaVPfdn2DvaggHbO0L08fjXaU31r8+XdrSFaY/v+LS5A2EHnNzVtI0IPdegBw= Received: by 10.82.152.16 with SMTP id z16mr3646494bud.1169347358265; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:42:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.176.4 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:42:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 20:42:38 -0600 From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Subject: Re: beastie logo seen on TV X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 03:10:24 -0000 On 20/01/07, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > I was briefly watching the Discovery Science channel on TV a few weeks > ago. I think the episode was called "Robosapiens". > > It showed some software used by a person in a coma. (I am not sure how as > I missed most of the show and was doing other things.) Probably edited Beastie in, to avoid advertising for some other company. I have it on authority that the only software you can use while in a coma is written in Redmond. Which explains 98% of Internet. -- -- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 21 03:40:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87D116A473 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 03:40:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35DC513C467 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 03:40:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id m19so90279nfc for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:40:13 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=RwliNcgdq9PeM4/uW0vLvQhysG16nC0oYpd7A5G2y0TO8JslhyH3yVktCASkr09RH+I6EBNg9cqdxIN9+8GfNnFMfpxkwufsIQdl5ObobTYwSv6VP10NyFLKrPduuu/SsZS3kdOrG7PZ+fZ6oMJbbS9gslbisNh4Qyghy1ULFIs= Received: by 10.49.20.15 with SMTP id x15mr3170958nfi.1169350812522; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:40:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.123.111? ( [84.0.99.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id o53sm10503153nfa.2007.01.20.19.40.10; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:40:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45B2E13F.4060003@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 04:42:55 +0100 From: deeptech71@gmail.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 03:40:15 -0000 The 5.1-RELEASE appears to still support software floating point. I'm gonna download it and try something. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 21 11:54:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5069D16A400 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 11:54:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ama@ugr.es) Received: from mail2.ugr.es (mail2.ugr.es [150.214.35.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D1D13C455 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 11:54:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ama@ugr.es) Received: from mail2.ugr.es (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ugr.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A2024A5AF for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:24:36 +0100 (MET) Received: from smtp1.ugr.es (smtp1.ugr.es [150.214.20.69]) by mail2.ugr.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78E114A444 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:24:36 +0100 (MET) Received: from darwin.ugr.es (darwin.ugr.es [150.214.61.183]) by smtp1.ugr.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id C73F310801 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:24:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from ama by darwin.ugr.es with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1H8aoN-0006JV-00 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:24:35 +0100 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:24:35 +0100 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070121112435.GB17494@darwin.ugr.es> References: <45B0E0D6.5060700@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <45B0E0D6.5060700@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: Angel Martin Alganza Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 11:54:50 -0000 --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jan 19, 2007 at 04:16:38PM +0100, deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: =20 > Best I can do is to get some experience and fun with old systems. Can=20 > someone direct me to small floppy-based operating systems? Have a look at http://www.ugr.es/~ama/compro/ although it's long ago that I don't update it, you will find a good number of floppy based OS. Cheers, =C1ngel --=20 Angel @ Granada, Spain PGP Public key: http://www.ugr.es/~ama/ama-pgp-key 3EB2 967A 9404 6585 7086 8811 2CEC 2F81 9341 E591 ------------------------------------------------------ () ASCII Ribbon Campaign - http://www.asciiribbon.org/ /\ Against all HTML e-mail and proprietary attachments --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFs01yLOwvgZNB5ZERAsjMAJ0d3R5FFm9c9Ty3RBRu9/ZJQDN9LQCfXkUq 6PsRtztVVtvLLeDioHKFBN4= =ezDF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 21 17:31:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10FD216A401 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:31:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A30E713C43E for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:31:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id m19so245932nfc for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:31:20 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=NdfYEdoRphAZQPuFJKmziQGYUWd3IymbC6iU3GwEjCi8xdlLm5Bi7gN+j/7Yevkkc9SGB9YF/eMpTfNoHcj9gS9u2z6MGpkLFhReBLBiajOkjycea3pzwnBitwFBzzT2RTgmBUiba0CjIvpeRWOY1pjUn+kKz3zzus4SCxr8PUY= Received: by 10.49.57.1 with SMTP id j1mr5350995nfk.1169400675730; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:31:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.123.111? ( [84.0.110.7]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id k9sm12288892nfc.2007.01.21.09.31.13; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:31:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45B3A409.40005@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:34:01 +0100 From: deeptech71@gmail.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:31:22 -0000 5.1-RELEASE tested, yielded the same result: "Missing operating system". The installation can boot on a new machine, but can not boot on the 486. Seems like the source of the error is the capabilitiy of the mainboard. I've given up. FreeBSD will not work on this noob machine. Next: lots of floppy OSs. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 21 18:20:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE65116A402 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:20:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from omegadraconis@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C88413C45B for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:20:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from omegadraconis@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so785559uge for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:20:37 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=F5G1WNv4lfZPG8LENm6ifP4bQ68W6e8ETZT+BqashzZV6yA1VNJ+S8a8LjK3/ckuKrEcLxfn3uEs4XdSkzSSMcakPyw6Sz/fsGjvWdwYbPRbfPul+i9bOikh1T5sUMctjTMuHe+yP4QLA8Z0bJK/3wT6fUdRND/K3Tv+18cwYd4= Received: by 10.82.113.6 with SMTP id l6mr4846723buc.1169402143329; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:55:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.151.20 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:55:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:55:43 -0500 From: "Jason Hensler" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <45B3A409.40005@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <45B3A409.40005@gmail.com> Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:20:38 -0000 It seems to be that the motherboard probably does not support booting from cd as was common with older systems. A side note, I got the same error on a p4 board yesterday because there was not boot device (bad mbr). I would try a boot floppy to get the system to access the cd-rom or install freebsd on the hard drive from another machine and swap it to the 486. On 1/21/07, deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: > 5.1-RELEASE tested, yielded the same result: "Missing operating system". The > installation can boot on a new machine, but can not boot on the 486. Seems > like the source of the error is the capabilitiy of the mainboard. I've given > up. FreeBSD will not work on this noob machine. Next: lots of floppy OSs. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Jason Hensler omegadraconis@gmail.com Aim: jasonhensler From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 01:51:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C3B416A401 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 01:51:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3741F13C45D for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 01:51:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id m19so341932nfc for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:51:22 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=gSWe5Gewcq7wQ91/zAywpDW94KQfHenXNw4hxrYyC9aq68AqoIfm/UNeDZYSFlAj8xuIFUno7oQRgfys2gX8wl9K4gjC4NBNnJYgEZhQYnpCijrHhOzRb9qm44QItCDZ/iMuNN4SkqPwN8h7S6cBu5AlFAL7Phbc+6TML51j5r0= Received: by 10.48.48.13 with SMTP id v13mr233830nfv.1169430681923; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:51:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.123.111? ( [84.0.110.7]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id p72sm13431035nfc.2007.01.21.17.51.20; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:51:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45B41941.9000007@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 02:54:09 +0100 From: deeptech71@gmail.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <45B3A409.40005@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 01:51:23 -0000 Jason Hensler wrote: > It seems to be that the motherboard probably does not support booting > from cd as was common with older systems. A side note, I got the same > error on a p4 board yesterday because there was not boot device (bad > mbr). I would try a boot floppy to get the system to access the cd-rom > or install freebsd on the hard drive from another machine and swap it > to the 486. I don't have a CD-ROM drive on the 486. That is exactly what I have tried. I've put the HDD in another machine, installed FreeBSD, moved the HDD, then tried to boot. I've even tried 2 "standard" MBRs. Try a boot manager? Nah.. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 08:40:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 390F916A400 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:40:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phi@evilphi.com) Received: from mail.twinthornes.com (mail.twinthornes.com [65.75.198.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0153B13C441 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:40:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phi@evilphi.com) Received: from [10.9.70.4] (c-24-20-142-99.hsd1.or.comcast.net [24.20.142.99]) by mail.twinthornes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290C941; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:40:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45B47861.9040503@evilphi.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:40:01 -0800 From: Darren Pilgrim User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: deeptech71@gmail.com References: <45B3A409.40005@gmail.com> <45B41941.9000007@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <45B41941.9000007@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:40:04 -0000 deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: > Jason Hensler wrote: >> It seems to be that the motherboard probably does not support booting >> from cd as was common with older systems. A side note, I got the same >> error on a p4 board yesterday because there was not boot device (bad >> mbr). I would try a boot floppy to get the system to access the cd-rom >> or install freebsd on the hard drive from another machine and swap it >> to the 486. > > I don't have a CD-ROM drive on the 486. That is exactly what I have tried. > I've put the HDD in another machine, installed FreeBSD, moved the HDD, then > tried to boot. I've even tried 2 "standard" MBRs. Try a boot manager? Nah.. A few stupid questions: - Are you using dedicated mode? Most older computers require the use of a DOS partition table (slices). - Are you making sure to set the active partition? -- Darren Pilgrim From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 10:07:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD6E16A400 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:07:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phi@evilphi.com) Received: from mail.twinthornes.com (mail.twinthornes.com [65.75.198.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C94213C441 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:07:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phi@evilphi.com) Received: from [10.9.70.4] (c-24-20-142-99.hsd1.or.comcast.net [24.20.142.99]) by mail.twinthornes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B194C41; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 02:07:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45B48C8E.2040307@evilphi.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 02:06:06 -0800 From: Darren Pilgrim User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ahmad Arafat Abdullah , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <20070122095950.A70291158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> In-Reply-To: <20070122095950.A70291158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:07:04 -0000 Ahmad Arafat Abdullah wrote: > just a little opinion.. 486 is too old (but still can runs BSD of > course) since it can't boot CDROM, why not u try to install it thru > network, either from http, ftp, SMB shares or from http/ftp freebsd > servers.. I've tried it before with FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD, > network and internet both works fine TQ.. [Redirected from private email] The OP's choice of preloading FreeBSD is faster and easier than any of the above options, since he would have to make boot floppies and wants to avoid 4.x. -- Darren Pilgrim From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 15:29:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F126816A402 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:29:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from David.W.Gray@nielsen.com) Received: from yorktown.nielsenmedia.com (yorktown.nielsenmedia.com [206.113.192.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B508613C46A for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:29:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from David.W.Gray@nielsen.com) Received: from nmrflimg2.enterprisenet.org (nmrflimg2.enterprisenet.org [10.38.67.65]) by yorktown.nielsenmedia.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l0MEdpP7015533 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:39:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmr001oldOWA01.enterprisenet.org (unverified) by nmrflimg2.enterprisenet.org (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.14) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:55:36 -0500 Received: from nmr001oldmsx05.enterprisenet.org ([10.38.67.64]) by nmr001oldOWA01.enterprisenet.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:55:36 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:55:35 -0500 Message-ID: <3428D9627CC79A4ABF37A519431D98120C9C1453@nmr001oldmsx05.enterprisenet.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: what can i do with a 486? Thread-Index: Acc+NV87z0x0NvWjQcSFg7lrXmlD1g== From: "Gray, David W" To: "FreeBSD Chat List" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2007 14:55:36.0682 (UTC) FILETIME=[5FEBB4A0:01C73E35] Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:29:05 -0000 Ummm, nobody has mentioned it, but a more modren machine vs. a really old bios -=20 the "No operating system" message is a classic sign of a geometry mismatch - the new BIOS is probably mapping the drive differently (since it undoubtedly can handle multi-gig drives vs 500M for the old BIOS.) I have an old P166 at the house that acts as a firewall on the cable net, has apache and secure apache, a name server, print server, and for a while was the server the family logged in on. (We have a little IDOT to log in on nowadays.) Eventually it's going away, but it still does the job. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 16:11:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352D416A40E for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:11:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E5913C4BC for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:11:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id m19so514434nfc for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:11:19 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=A+RpRyiuaskeD5xeFtUepztP95C8J2p99r79TogaKC1LBVTs6+sY2Xx1OkrhSlsUhA/wsbQCs71YzQbKrflPSuDyBtqPt8CiQcfnGXQDnNrPiAfUGVuMDRj8TLHPn7NzFoUfzL70Ep36XnvPlLPoeQp+ZsFM8ME7lzmh7QJdU/U= Received: by 10.48.220.15 with SMTP id s15mr2071142nfg.1169482278811; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:11:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.164.20 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:11:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:11:18 +0300 From: "Andrew Pantyukhin" To: "FreeBSD Chat" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Compressed doc ISO images X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: infofarmer@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:11:21 -0000 6.2-RELEASE-i386-docs.iso is 197 031 936 bytes 6.2-RELEASE-i386-docs.iso.lzma is 14 169 165 bytes Decompression takes under 10 seconds on my laptop. Compression takes a few minutes. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 16:23:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4882816A400 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:23:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from server.baldwin.cx (66-23-211-162.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.211.162]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECEBB13C459 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:23:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost.corp.yahoo.com (john@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l0MFsJ2j099205; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:54:27 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:40:35 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <45B3A409.40005@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200701220940.35834.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (server.baldwin.cx [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:54:28 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.3/2477/Mon Jan 22 10:10:05 2007 on server.baldwin.cx X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on server.baldwin.cx Cc: Jason Hensler Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:23:01 -0000 On Sunday 21 January 2007 12:55, Jason Hensler wrote: > It seems to be that the motherboard probably does not support booting > from cd as was common with older systems. A side note, I got the same > error on a p4 board yesterday because there was not boot device (bad > mbr). I would try a boot floppy to get the system to access the cd-rom > or install freebsd on the hard drive from another machine and swap it > to the 486. Use boot0cfg to turn off 'packet' mode in boot0. -- John Baldwin From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 16:51:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 500CF16A400 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:51:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dking@ketralnis.com) Received: from ketralnis.com (melchoir.ketralnis.com [68.183.67.83]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BEE913C428 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:51:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dking@ketralnis.com) Received: from [10.0.1.223] ([10.0.1.223]) (authenticated bits=0) by ketralnis.com (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l0MGFQOo013525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:15:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dking@ketralnis.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <45B41941.9000007@gmail.com> References: <45B3A409.40005@gmail.com> <45B41941.9000007@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <01997974-108B-434C-8498-0EBCC0529900@ketralnis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David King Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:15:13 -0800 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:51:53 -0000 >> It seems to be that the motherboard probably does not support booting >> from cd as was common with older systems. A side note, I got the same >> error on a p4 board yesterday because there was not boot device (bad >> mbr). I would try a boot floppy to get the system to access the cd- >> rom >> or install freebsd on the hard drive from another machine and swap it >> to the 486. > I don't have a CD-ROM drive on the 486. That is exactly what I have > tried. I've put the HDD in another machine, installed FreeBSD, > moved the HDD, then tried to boot. I've even tried 2 "standard" > MBRs. Try a boot manager? Nah.. Can you see the hard drive if you boot from a floppy? Is the hard drive in the boot path in the BIOS? Are you using a 40- pin cable for an EIDE drive? It sounds like you can't see the drive at all From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 18:42:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D2916A403 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:42:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.249]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54A313C4C5 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:42:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c24so448168ana for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:42:10 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZtJCfHtcLY6coxcsyf+e8AVrE+yNCcxzXr1c9Un6Pbu4DvxfdJLn9lXwxPQJ0VHWZQNqCTEtmls0Flw1vRl+VSQE3IHr9m82BqLSStYyS2+No5KkN2vYTRiqBbeKQ0GdL/3q6x7wUUGP9LnsPfhlUOf8i0ip4Zl46cWb9MaGUB0= Received: by 10.49.20.1 with SMTP id x1mr7138313nfi.1169491328411; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:42:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.123.111? ( [84.0.106.116]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id d2sm16041945nfe.2007.01.22.10.42.07; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:42:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45B50628.6050703@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:44:56 +0100 From: deeptech71@gmail.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <45B3A409.40005@gmail.com> <45B41941.9000007@gmail.com> <01997974-108B-434C-8498-0EBCC0529900@ketralnis.com> In-Reply-To: <01997974-108B-434C-8498-0EBCC0529900@ketralnis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:42:11 -0000 David King wrote: > Can you see the hard drive if you boot from a floppy? > > Is the hard drive in the boot path in the BIOS? Are you using a 40-pin > cable for an EIDE drive? It sounds like you can't see the drive at all Can't boot FreeBSD from a floppy. That is, it boots, but gives an error. Other image floppies, like a DBAN image, work fine. I can definitely see the HDD, when I found the machine, the HDD had a bootable, working Windows 3.1 on it. Still haven't been able to get access to the comp's BIOS settings, so .. dunno. WTF is an EIDE drive? The cables are the same on the 486 and the new machine (::::::::::.::::::::: or something like that), and both comps recognize the drive correctly. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 25 09:22:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF0E16A402 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:22:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mldodson@houston.rr.com) Received: from ms-smtp-06.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-06.texas.rr.com [24.93.47.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CA3513C441 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:22:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mldodson@houston.rr.com) Received: from histidine.home (cpe-24-167-77-130.houston.res.rr.com [24.167.77.130]) by ms-smtp-06.texas.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l0ODcJ12014465 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:38:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from histidine.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by histidine.home (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l0ODcJYm067030 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:38:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from mldodson@houston.rr.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by histidine.home (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l0ODcIQi067029 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:38:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from mldodson@houston.rr.com) X-Authentication-Warning: histidine.home: mldodson set sender to mldodson@houston.rr.com using -f From: "M. L. Dodson" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:38:18 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200701240738.18796.mldodson@houston.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Subject: Index of /mail/current/ X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mldodson@houston.rr.com List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:22:28 -0000 Hello all, I'm curious as to why the index of http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/current/ now seems to be sorted by date and time? I find it really annoying and much harder to keep up with which lists I've already read. Any one know the rationale for this? Bud Dodson -- M. L. Dodson Email: mldodson-at-houston-dot-rr-dot-com Phone: eight_three_two-56_three-386_one From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 26 05:26:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1262A16A400 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 05:26:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sfourman@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A83F813C48E for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 05:26:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sfourman@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so593155uge for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:26:46 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=iL3Fu2W3fN5CUbKd8VeJPucuxXBRq04Eg8BwoYyUkl95sfIqN30giUaiIWTp84SUp95pkME8G+aJdHkmoJLlW9AhY1SlX7GanUVdJhougfRPczAwW+9GRbNKKxC1uQH19L51ad5ydQ3rN1w2VsbqRAKNDfCqgAiG8zwNm8lP0as= Received: by 10.78.193.5 with SMTP id q5mr2037070huf.1169789206223; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:26:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.151.6 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:26:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <11167f520701252126r517c75a1mb86941a368585058@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 23:26:46 -0600 From: "Sam Fourman Jr." To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Logitech G15 Keyboard X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 05:26:48 -0000 Hello, I Just bought a Logitech G15 Keyboard,and I would like to use all the keys on it with FreeBSD. could someone that knows more than I do, tell me if there is a chance of getting this g15 daemon to work under FreeBSD. maybe FreeBSD sensors could even be displayed on the LCD? (Wishful thinking?) http://g15daemon.sourceforge.net/ Thank you for any Feedback Sam Fourman Jr. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 26 13:45:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04BDC16A400 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:45:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F51713C483 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:44:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id m19so1113869nfc for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 05:44:57 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=C3OojKC6Bm1adKjBBCohf5lyjkrxVT6F2Vyb0NKgb4KB+2uuG5VQL+TZ5nPtRxSPiXyrQ54JfNp5vlyKrdZZDE3DLFlLeq3ZJFmsQPZKeBjaSw9D2nOGzzhRPAFIyxSCcbRij4QlI0p0q17m7EoHwcKN3lSG5xqJMTiKSGhvHK8= Received: by 10.48.242.19 with SMTP id p19mr5600258nfh.1169819090254; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 05:44:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.123.111? ( [81.182.8.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j2sm3715050ugf.2007.01.26.05.44.48; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 05:44:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45BA0682.8050503@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:47:46 +0100 From: deeptech71@gmail.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <3428D9627CC79A4ABF37A519431D98120C9C1453@nmr001oldmsx05.enterprisenet.org> In-Reply-To: <3428D9627CC79A4ABF37A519431D98120C9C1453@nmr001oldmsx05.enterprisenet.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:45:01 -0000 Had more time to do tests. Gray, David W wrote: > Ummm, nobody has mentioned it, but a more modren machine vs. a really > old bios - > the "No operating system" message is a classic sign of a geometry > mismatch - the > new BIOS is probably mapping the drive differently (since it undoubtedly > can handle > multi-gig drives vs 500M for the old BIOS.) No, as the FreeBSD floppies don't work either. Darren Pilgrim wrote: > A few stupid questions: > > - Are you using dedicated mode? Most older computers require the use of > a DOS partition table (slices). > > - Are you making sure to set the active partition? > Of course, if the FreeBSD installer does that. ------------------------ About the Linux OS's floppies, some work, but not much. Conclusion: this crap is going back to the ashcan. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 26 17:14:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9291A16A401 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:14:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sten.daniel.sorsdal@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 559A713C487 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:14:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sten.daniel.sorsdal@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 68so678781wri for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:14:32 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=gZiPEZ6Dd47eQ6nIzpOh7aw8rW0KkG7Fsc2w4rCgimQYmq5mAwIuqxYS6QAyhGCvoLGHheCzx9FA8gHEMEqwsqLr0Xi0+9AVgDNn6Zb+Sv3krbqnj6i+652xZbJf07N+6b0chtulW+aUt0LzNDkg5wRAXHxYCLZkt3gZPmu0SAI= Received: by 10.90.92.7 with SMTP id p7mr3805856agb.1169830152747; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 08:49:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.11.5? ( [72.189.174.133]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 20sm4107521agb.2007.01.26.08.49.11; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 08:49:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45BA30CF.9070906@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:48:15 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: deeptech71@gmail.com References: <45B3A409.40005@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <45B3A409.40005@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sten_Daniel_S=F8rsdal?= Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:14:33 -0000 deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: > 5.1-RELEASE tested, yielded the same result: "Missing operating system"= =2E > The installation can boot on a new machine, but can not boot on the 486= =2E > Seems like the source of the error is the capabilitiy of the mainboard.= > I've given up. FreeBSD will not work on this noob machine. Next: lots o= f > floppy OSs. If I'm following correctly then you are looking for a version that does software FPU and doesn't provide "Missing operating system"? I havent looked at the bootblock sources recently and i don't think it uses FPU at all (i mean, what would be the point?) I think you are probably experiencing the headaches of using LBA on a drive that doesn't need it (or BIOS that supports it). LBA is meant to be used on harddrives bigger than 520 or so megabytes. Most new machines use LBA as default. If this is a 486 SX then your BIOS almost certainly doesn't support LBA. Try to change the HDD mode in the new machines BIOS to "Normal" or something equivalent, while installing. --=20 Sten Daniel S=F8rsdal From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 26 17:17:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D16216A407 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:17:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17CF013C483 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:17:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so709580uge for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:17:44 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=DBCAlTBhm+1XQHz5TRQwuLD89dqChtsqA+zuT+ydFvoUXg1YH8g1+P2SSUQ+sjBBKomXoSd/XvPoRuqKt3c/ATZDQjaXec3D78qfE2N/w7B49bxrBa2XzwGHPhNmPA4nRuHKZnpwPg7VFuPndTgpHoRzkp+WKYjE9T+lGAS/FKQ= Received: by 10.67.96.14 with SMTP id y14mr4601009ugl.1169831863914; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:17:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.123.111? ( [81.182.8.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id e1sm4648412ugf.2007.01.26.09.17.42; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:17:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45BA3868.2020200@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:20:40 +0100 From: deeptech71@gmail.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <45B3A409.40005@gmail.com> <45BA30CF.9070906@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <45BA30CF.9070906@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:17:45 -0000 Sten Daniel Sørsdal wrote: > deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: >> 5.1-RELEASE tested, yielded the same result: "Missing operating system". >> The installation can boot on a new machine, but can not boot on the 486. >> Seems like the source of the error is the capabilitiy of the mainboard. >> I've given up. FreeBSD will not work on this noob machine. Next: lots of >> floppy OSs. > > If I'm following correctly then you are looking for a version that does > software FPU and doesn't provide "Missing operating system"? > I havent looked at the bootblock sources recently and i don't think it > uses FPU at all (i mean, what would be the point?) > > I think you are probably experiencing the headaches of using LBA on a > drive that doesn't need it (or BIOS that supports it). LBA is meant to > be used on harddrives bigger than 520 or so megabytes. Most new machines > use LBA as default. > > If this is a 486 SX then your BIOS almost certainly doesn't support LBA. > Try to change the HDD mode in the new machines BIOS to "Normal" or > something equivalent, while installing. There are jumpers on the board to set write-through and write-back mode. I can't get into the BIOS, that's one thing. What is LBA? Is it related to partitioning? (btw the HDD is 200MB) Still, wether it's HDD errors or not, why won't the FreeBSD floppies work? (I have even tried them when the HDD wasn't connexted.) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 26 18:24:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D38CF16A400 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:24:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70AAF13C48A for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:24:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (archangel.daleco.biz [69.27.145.126]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l0QIDeEF082571; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:13:41 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <45BA44CE.90501@daleco.biz> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:13:34 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.0.7) Gecko/20060925 SeaMonkey/1.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: deeptech71@gmail.com References: <45B3A409.40005@gmail.com> <45BA30CF.9070906@gmail.com> <45BA3868.2020200@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <45BA3868.2020200@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:24:22 -0000 deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: > What is LBA? Is it related to partitioning? (btw the HDD is 200MB) LBA is "Logical Block Addressing", a replacement for the older "Cylinder Head Sector" (CHS) scheme of addressing data block locations on hard disks (and some other storage media, in the case of LBA). It was first used in SCSI devices and later became a part of the ATA-2 standard; an old 486 such as the one you describe is probably ATA-1. I believe the point a few fellows are trying to make is that during installation on a "new system", the BIOS uses LBA; then, when you put that disk on the 486, the BIOS gets confused because it doesn't understand LBA, and reports "missing operating system" or the like. IANAE, but I'm pretty sure that's what is being discussed. > Still, wether it's HDD errors or not, why won't the FreeBSD floppies > work? (I have even tried them when the HDD wasn't connexted.) On 01/18/07 17:47, you wrote: > 8MB RAM That's likely the issue, although I don't remember if you've mentioned exactly when it fails. The installer attempts to create a memory disk that's a good bit larger than 8MB; IIRC, with current FreeBSD versions you can't even install on a machine with 16MB RAM - you need 20+MB or so (which usually means 32MB must be installed). It wouldn't get very far at all with 8 meg of RAM. HTH, Kevin Kinsey -- Majorities, of course, start with minorities. -- Robert Moses From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 26 21:41:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1148616A401 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:41:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.251]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C89FE13C48A for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:41:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c24so447848ana for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:41:43 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=fFxGMwR6tBPw+bosjnXDBkibhg2fWFyulSbkWIgIdgq580FEZsVdhmXaShXxKV14b9z46uaXmBvpras9rwkBXxfTQag5ZmNqYCEfso0AkMpig6rcKq5nXZ2tCi3iQeK3DtYy6w9tFIPwcl1Lk9P34Y1TuhiiQhfbJWbDSD8x7Wo= Received: by 10.78.203.13 with SMTP id a13mr2541714hug.1169847701911; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:41:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.164.20 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:41:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:41:41 +0300 From: "Andrew Pantyukhin" Sender: infofarmer@gmail.com To: "FreeBSD Chat" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 15e7807d8f40f24a Cc: Subject: fork(2) - "The Prestige" movie X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:41:44 -0000 Some googling showed I'm not the first to notice this, but if you ever need to explain how fork(2) works to someone without a clue, tell them to watch this movie. Some writers scrutinized the topic of copying yourself and continuing to live in two bodies at the same time long before this film, but I think many will prefer wasting 2 hours on one of IMDb top 250 movies (not that great if you ask me) to reading an obscure book. Cheers. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 26 22:33:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A0A16A400 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:33:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6146B13C46E for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:33:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so769151uge for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:33:36 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jvn/C9MOR/aZia7id2hs69q5AsFRgQlx7ck6/iymhJKA8A96WtqTmcZ9dc4fVWkAXabBhgcp2p/Z7NwlsXyikOwT/rySAtoUXMhsM+lrwqAlkHaicJ1MRmaiAEoB55PHn9NTCg0tMKjjufdniYtQrhKFNoIM3A1QD+3I3Z6LtUI= Received: by 10.66.216.6 with SMTP id o6mr3814664ugg.1169850816181; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:33:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.123.111? ( [81.182.8.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 39sm4260217ugb.2007.01.26.14.33.35; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:33:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45BA81BD.9050007@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:33:33 +0100 From: deeptech71@gmail.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <45B3A409.40005@gmail.com> <45BA30CF.9070906@gmail.com> <45BA3868.2020200@gmail.com> <45BA44CE.90501@daleco.biz> In-Reply-To: <45BA44CE.90501@daleco.biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:33:37 -0000 Kevin Kinsey wrote: > deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: > > 8MB RAM > > That's likely the issue, although I don't remember if you've mentioned > exactly when it fails. The installer attempts to create a memory disk > that's a good bit larger than 8MB; IIRC, with current FreeBSD versions > you can't even install on a machine with 16MB RAM - you need 20+MB or so > (which usually means 32MB must be installed). It wouldn't get very far > at all with 8 meg of RAM. Yes that likely explains why the FreeBSD floppies dont work (but some linux versions work). When I install FreeBSD on a machine with 512MB RAM, then move the HDD, the BIOS boots with the "missing OS" error. Supposedly the installation has set the some LBA things (which the newer system perfectly supports). After the installation, how can I change that, before moving the drive? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 26 23:09:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E387216A406 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:09:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A86413C484 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:09:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (archangel.daleco.biz [69.27.145.126]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l0QN9eM7084583; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:09:42 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <45BA8A2E.7020203@daleco.biz> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:09:34 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.0.7) Gecko/20060925 SeaMonkey/1.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: deeptech71@gmail.com References: <45B3A409.40005@gmail.com> <45BA30CF.9070906@gmail.com> <45BA3868.2020200@gmail.com> <45BA44CE.90501@daleco.biz> <45BA81BD.9050007@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <45BA81BD.9050007@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:09:46 -0000 deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: > Kevin Kinsey wrote: >> deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: >> > 8MB RAM >> >> That's likely the issue, although I don't remember if you've mentioned >> exactly when it fails. The installer attempts to create a memory disk >> that's a good bit larger than 8MB; IIRC, with current FreeBSD versions >> you can't even install on a machine with 16MB RAM - you need 20+MB or >> so (which usually means 32MB must be installed). It wouldn't get very >> far at all with 8 meg of RAM. > > Yes that likely explains why the FreeBSD floppies dont work (but some > linux versions work). When I install FreeBSD on a machine with 512MB > RAM, then move the HDD, the BIOS boots with the "missing OS" error. > Supposedly the installation has set the some LBA things (which the newer > system perfectly supports). After the installation, how can I change > that, before moving the drive? We're really over my head with that one; all that said, I don't think it could be done _after_ the installation. If my understanding is even remotely correct (and I'm not at all certain it is), then the only logical path of action is to attempt to set the fast machine's BIOS to behave in a manner similar to the BIOS on the old machine (CHS ?) prior to partitioning and slicing and see if that fixes things. Of course, then we have the issue of GEOM (basically the fact that newer FreeBSDs do some kind of overriding of some BIOS stuff anyway in relation to disks), which I know next-to-nothing about either and am guessing could also be a potential pitfall. Sounds like you need really need more RAM chips, to see if you can do an install on the machine itself. However, I definitely understand the dumpster's attraction at this point, and have consigned several of these old dinosaurs there myself rather than face the aggravation they might be likely to cause. There are too many old Pentiums and K6's out there to mess around with a 486 anymore, at least from my current POV. YMMV, #include , etc. ;-) Kevin Kinsey -- Age before beauty; and pearls before swine. -- Dorothy Parker From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 26 23:18:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC3716A400 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:18:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aw1@stade.co.uk) Received: from lon-mail-4.gradwell.net (lon-mail-4.gradwell.net [193.111.201.130]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C82D13C489 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:18:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aw1@stade.co.uk) Received: from alsager-adsl.stade.co.uk ([81.6.222.119] helo=access2.hanley.stade.co.uk country=GB) by lon-mail-4.gradwell.net with esmtp (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.243) id 45ba89ed.b0da.77a for chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:08:29 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Received: from steerpike.hanley.stade.co.uk (steerpike [192.168.1.10]) by access2.hanley.stade.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l0QN8Stl043872 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:08:28 GMT (envelope-from aw1@steerpike.hanley.stade.co.uk) Received: from steerpike.hanley.stade.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by steerpike.hanley.stade.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l0QN8RO1022103 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:08:27 GMT (envelope-from aw1@steerpike.hanley.stade.co.uk) Received: (from aw1@localhost) by steerpike.hanley.stade.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l0QN8QT6022102 for chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:08:26 GMT (envelope-from aw1) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:08:26 +0000 From: Adrian Wontroba To: FreeBSD Chat Message-ID: <20070126230826.GA21946@steerpike.hanley.stade.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Adrian Wontroba , FreeBSD Chat References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE Organization: Oh dear, I've joined one again. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2493/Fri Jan 26 12:00:46 2007 on access2.hanley.stade.co.uk X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2493/Fri Jan 26 12:00:46 2007 on steerpike.hanley.stade.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: Re: fork(2) - "The Prestige" movie X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: aw1@stade.co.uk List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:18:33 -0000 On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 12:41:41AM +0300, Andrew Pantyukhin wrote: > Some writers scrutinized the topic of copying yourself > and continuing to live in two bodies at the same time > long before this film, but I think many will prefer > wasting 2 hours on one of IMDb top 250 movies (not that > great if you ask me) to reading an obscure book. Hey, Chris Priest and his works are not that obscure! Both Amazon UK and US are selling The Prestige. A good read in my opinion. -- Adrian Wontroba From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 26 23:34:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E59E516A400 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:34:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aw1@stade.co.uk) Received: from lon-mail-1.gradwell.net (lon-mail-1.gradwell.net [193.111.201.125]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56E4E13C46B for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:34:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aw1@stade.co.uk) Received: from alsager-adsl.stade.co.uk ([81.6.222.119] helo=access2.hanley.stade.co.uk country=GB) by lon-mail-1.gradwell.net with esmtp (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.243) id 45ba8d20.dda6.3b0 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:22:08 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Received: from steerpike.hanley.stade.co.uk (steerpike [192.168.1.10]) by access2.hanley.stade.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l0QNM7wF043942 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:22:07 GMT (envelope-from aw1@steerpike.hanley.stade.co.uk) Received: from steerpike.hanley.stade.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by steerpike.hanley.stade.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l0QNM4Xu022235 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:22:04 GMT (envelope-from aw1@steerpike.hanley.stade.co.uk) Received: (from aw1@localhost) by steerpike.hanley.stade.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l0QNM1pq022234 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:22:01 GMT (envelope-from aw1) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:22:01 +0000 From: Adrian Wontroba To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070126232200.GB21946@steerpike.hanley.stade.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Adrian Wontroba , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <45B3A409.40005@gmail.com> <45BA30CF.9070906@gmail.com> <45BA3868.2020200@gmail.com> <45BA44CE.90501@daleco.biz> <45BA81BD.9050007@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <45BA81BD.9050007@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE Organization: Oh dear, I've joined one again. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2493/Fri Jan 26 12:00:46 2007 on access2.hanley.stade.co.uk X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2493/Fri Jan 26 12:00:46 2007 on steerpike.hanley.stade.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: aw1@stade.co.uk List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:34:35 -0000 On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 11:33:33PM +0100, deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: > Yes that likely explains why the FreeBSD floppies dont work (but some linux > versions work). When I install FreeBSD on a machine with 512MB RAM, then > move the HDD, the BIOS boots with the "missing OS" error. Supposedly the > installation has set the some LBA things (which the newer system perfectly > supports). After the installation, how can I change that, before moving the > drive? The point has been made before in this thread, but you need to change the way the NEW machine accesses the drive FROM LBA to CHS BEFORE you install. Your new system supports LBA. The old one doesn't, and its view of the disk is very different. You must ensure that the disk "looks right" before installation. CHS addressing started to be a problem as soon as disks stopped actually having a fixed number of sectors per track. IDE drives circumvented it by lying to the BIOS about what they looked like. If you are really unlucky, you will have to choose a compatible pair of lies. -- Adrian Wontroba Bugs, pl. n.: Small living things that small living boys throw on small living girls. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 27 01:48:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2691416A400 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 01:48:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E7713C481 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 01:48:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so795755uge for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:48:33 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=TvIpaO+bLBS08CEPgm8Dfthp+Cbenoerr58eUwG0IlRlLSlFnlX6KLVQ3n/lvt5qtMsGLGSEMUTfrG4EVnyW9C061bMvj1wklhuWEl/61nQKb++UNIvoyEGxtO9D4XgZwfmvaMRkCFgwH5Hff8nGkOdB3CrOWTkbrHdx6jbhxs8= Received: by 10.66.243.2 with SMTP id q2mr5205407ugh.1169862513548; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:48:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.123.111? ( [84.0.96.76]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 20sm4399500uga.2007.01.26.17.48.32; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:48:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45BAAF6F.8000600@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 02:48:31 +0100 From: deeptech71@gmail.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <45B3A409.40005@gmail.com> <45BA30CF.9070906@gmail.com> <45BA3868.2020200@gmail.com> <45BA44CE.90501@daleco.biz> <45BA81BD.9050007@gmail.com> <20070126232200.GB21946@steerpike.hanley.stade.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20070126232200.GB21946@steerpike.hanley.stade.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 01:48:35 -0000 Adrian Wontroba wrote: > The point has been made before in this thread, but you need to change > the way the NEW machine accesses the drive FROM LBA to CHS BEFORE you > install. > > Your new system supports LBA. The old one doesn't, and its view of the > disk is very different. You must ensure that the disk "looks right" > before installation. > > CHS addressing started to be a problem as soon as disks stopped actually > having a fixed number of sectors per track. IDE drives circumvented it > by lying to the BIOS about what they looked like. If you are really > unlucky, you will have to choose a compatible pair of lies. > So I've tried disabling LBA mode for that HDD, but the results are the same: "missing operating system"