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Powered by Pixelfish http://www.pixelfish.com From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 21 09:35:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B335716E27D; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:35:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nick.hibma@anywi.com) Received: from bali.sjc.webweaving.org (bali.sjc.webweaving.org [216.218.185.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E40913C494; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:35:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nick.hibma@anywi.com) Received: from van-laarhoven.org (ap-zvhz-13f05.adsl.wanadoo.nl [81.69.93.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by bali.sjc.webweaving.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l1L8r0dO084331; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:53:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nick.hibma@anywi.com) Received: (nullmailer pid 2647 invoked by uid 1001); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:52:54 -0000 From: Nick Hibma Organization: AnyWi To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:52:37 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <45C8CB7B.5090200@daleco.biz> In-Reply-To: <45C8CB7B.5090200@daleco.biz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2164923.5PqqqsMfBg"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200702210952.53553.nick.hibma@anywi.com> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_40 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on bali.sjc.webweaving.org Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Productivity with FBSD, or: "portupgrade" vs. virus scans.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:35:57 -0000 --nextPart2164923.5PqqqsMfBg Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline > Every once in a while (generally while upgrading ports/packages), I look > over there and see our single Windows machine and think, "we never have > to run `portupgrade` on that boxen... and I'm smart enough to avoid virii= =2E" You mean it does it automagically, making dual booting Windows XP a nightma= re?=20 Whenever I need to run Windows quickly because of some app on my laptop I=20 spend half an hour waiting for the downloads of quicktime, acrobat,=20 openoffice, windows, java, etc. to complete and then have to reboot again. Let alone when I am on the road using a UMTS/HSDPA card to connect to the=20 Internet ... Imagine the cost of those extra megabytes they force upon me.= =20 Sure. I can switch it off in all the settings boxes, if I figure out what's= =20 going on (without tcpdump/trafshow available). On the FBSD side: I update whenever I need a feature (like iwi driver updates). ports I upgra= de=20 every 3 months or so, by doing a=20 cvsup /usr/ports-supfile portupgrade -a --use-packages on friday night, hoping it won't have killed and not restored KDE by monday= =20 morning as I need to get work done at that point. Usually I spend a few hou= rs=20 bending things into shape. Yes, things are broken once in a while, which is annoying (Kontact has dele= ted=20 all content from my PDA since last update), but at least I can read my mail= =20 without being terrified of picking up a virus and ruining my day. And I=20 whenever I reinstall a machine from scratch, it takes me 4 hours to get a=20 machine completely back to the state it was in. Buy the same laptop again a= nd=20 you have an up to date system, with all the (user) settings preserved. Try= =20 that on Windows without spending a fun! $79.99 with a $5 value rebait! Hey, and when KDE isn't working: there is still the console, with VIM synta= x=20 highlighting, You should see the looks on the faces in first class in the=20 train... :-) Nick --nextPart2164923.5PqqqsMfBg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBF3AhlsyUh9o+GvIERAvdsAJ9c6IJNlIY+bKNK569res1Bj5p2pgCeO3Fu tvByLKAVRXo8fIbnqVn8rgI= =OD1u -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2164923.5PqqqsMfBg-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 21 09:35:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B335716E27D; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:35:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nick.hibma@anywi.com) Received: from bali.sjc.webweaving.org (bali.sjc.webweaving.org [216.218.185.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E40913C494; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:35:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nick.hibma@anywi.com) Received: from van-laarhoven.org (ap-zvhz-13f05.adsl.wanadoo.nl [81.69.93.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by bali.sjc.webweaving.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l1L8r0dO084331; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:53:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nick.hibma@anywi.com) Received: (nullmailer pid 2647 invoked by uid 1001); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:52:54 -0000 From: Nick Hibma Organization: AnyWi To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:52:37 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <45C8CB7B.5090200@daleco.biz> In-Reply-To: <45C8CB7B.5090200@daleco.biz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2164923.5PqqqsMfBg"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200702210952.53553.nick.hibma@anywi.com> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_40 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on bali.sjc.webweaving.org Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Productivity with FBSD, or: "portupgrade" vs. virus scans.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:35:57 -0000 --nextPart2164923.5PqqqsMfBg Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline > Every once in a while (generally while upgrading ports/packages), I look > over there and see our single Windows machine and think, "we never have > to run `portupgrade` on that boxen... and I'm smart enough to avoid virii= =2E" You mean it does it automagically, making dual booting Windows XP a nightma= re?=20 Whenever I need to run Windows quickly because of some app on my laptop I=20 spend half an hour waiting for the downloads of quicktime, acrobat,=20 openoffice, windows, java, etc. to complete and then have to reboot again. Let alone when I am on the road using a UMTS/HSDPA card to connect to the=20 Internet ... Imagine the cost of those extra megabytes they force upon me.= =20 Sure. I can switch it off in all the settings boxes, if I figure out what's= =20 going on (without tcpdump/trafshow available). On the FBSD side: I update whenever I need a feature (like iwi driver updates). ports I upgra= de=20 every 3 months or so, by doing a=20 cvsup /usr/ports-supfile portupgrade -a --use-packages on friday night, hoping it won't have killed and not restored KDE by monday= =20 morning as I need to get work done at that point. Usually I spend a few hou= rs=20 bending things into shape. Yes, things are broken once in a while, which is annoying (Kontact has dele= ted=20 all content from my PDA since last update), but at least I can read my mail= =20 without being terrified of picking up a virus and ruining my day. And I=20 whenever I reinstall a machine from scratch, it takes me 4 hours to get a=20 machine completely back to the state it was in. Buy the same laptop again a= nd=20 you have an up to date system, with all the (user) settings preserved. Try= =20 that on Windows without spending a fun! $79.99 with a $5 value rebait! Hey, and when KDE isn't working: there is still the console, with VIM synta= x=20 highlighting, You should see the looks on the faces in first class in the=20 train... :-) Nick --nextPart2164923.5PqqqsMfBg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBF3AhlsyUh9o+GvIERAvdsAJ9c6IJNlIY+bKNK569res1Bj5p2pgCeO3Fu tvByLKAVRXo8fIbnqVn8rgI= =OD1u -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2164923.5PqqqsMfBg-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 23 08:58:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B3BE16A403 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:58:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F9BC13C471 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:58:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE5D1208C for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:39:13 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Tests: AWL X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: 0.0/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on tim.des.no Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by tim.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id D26E02089 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:39:13 +0100 (CET) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 89C08B872; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:39:44 +0100 (CET) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:39:44 +0100 Message-ID: <86hctds1wv.fsf@dwp.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: newspeak X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:58:53 -0000 is alive and well and living in the front bedroom: re=B7verse en=B7gi=B7neer=B7ing noun Definition: stealing competitor's technology: the pirating of a competitor's technology by dismantling an existing product and reproducing its parts and construction to manufacture a replica http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?re= fid=3D1861702028 DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 23 10:49:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E16E316A402 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:49:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounce-482446-2466105@mailer.idgconnect.com) Received: from mailer.idgconnect.com (mailer.idgconnect.com [66.186.116.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8E0C013C442 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:49:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounce-482446-2466105@mailer.idgconnect.com) From: "IDG Connect" To: Scott Short Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 05:00:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:49:41 -0000 Each Friday, we present a short list of the hottest whitepapers, webcasts and research available. 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Best regards, IDG Connect From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 23 18:10:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC8F16A400 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:10:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phi@evilphi.com) Received: from mail.twinthornes.com (mail.twinthornes.com [65.75.198.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D1313C48D for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:10:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phi@evilphi.com) Received: from [10.9.70.4] (pool-72-90-124-58.ptldor.fios.verizon.net [72.90.124.58]) by mail.twinthornes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47848D4; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:43:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45DF27AD.6080109@evilphi.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:43:09 -0800 From: Darren Pilgrim User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= References: <86hctds1wv.fsf@dwp.des.no> In-Reply-To: <86hctds1wv.fsf@dwp.des.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newspeak X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:10:35 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > is alive and well and living in the front bedroom: > > re·verse en·gi·neer·ing > > noun > Definition: > > stealing competitor's technology: the pirating of a competitor's > technology by dismantling an existing product and reproducing its > parts and construction to manufacture a replica Piracy? Arr, man the debugger ya scurvy hacker! -- Darren Pilgrim From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 24 01:35:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9666516A400 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:35:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from mx1.highperformance.net (dsl081-163-122.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.163.122]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BB2613C461 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:35:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from [192.168.1.16] (w16.stradamotorsports.com [192.168.1.16]) by mx1.highperformance.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1O1LWxk024196; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:21:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Message-ID: <45DF9328.8080106@highperformance.net> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:21:44 -0800 From: "Jason C. Wells" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= References: <86hctds1wv.fsf@dwp.des.no> In-Reply-To: <86hctds1wv.fsf@dwp.des.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=2.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on s4.stradamotorsports.com Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newspeak X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:35:55 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > is alive and well and living in the front bedroom: > > re·verse en·gi·neer·ing > > noun > Definition: > > stealing competitor's technology: the pirating of a competitor' feh I have often wondered why ideas that apply in all other areas of endeavor are simply missing from computing circles. If Consumer Reports can look under the hood of a car, why can't a hacker look under the hood of software? If General Mills has to tell us what is in a box of cereal, why don't software companies have to tell us their algorithms? If you can compromise CSS on a DVD why can't you report it like a consumer advocate reports that "Oxiclean really doesn't work at all." And on that topic, why does the MPAA go after the hacker instead of the company that sold them pure junk in the first place? Bah! Jason From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 24 04:16:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4789116A403 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 04:16:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phi@evilphi.com) Received: from mail.twinthornes.com (mail.twinthornes.com [65.75.198.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 232C813C441 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 04:16:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phi@evilphi.com) Received: from [10.9.70.4] (pool-72-90-124-58.ptldor.fios.verizon.net [72.90.124.58]) by mail.twinthornes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE681AA0; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:16:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45DFBC1A.8000908@evilphi.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:16:26 -0800 From: Darren Pilgrim User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jason C. Wells" References: <86hctds1wv.fsf@dwp.des.no> <45DF9328.8080106@highperformance.net> In-Reply-To: <45DF9328.8080106@highperformance.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newspeak X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 04:16:39 -0000 Jason C. Wells wrote: > And on that topic, why does the MPAA go after the hacker instead of > the company that sold them pure junk in the first place? Because it would make entirely too much sense and as we all know, the business world runs on dollars, not sense. ;) -- Darren Pilgrim From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 24 05:50:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2DD316A400 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 05:50:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail.matt.mcdonald@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90D6613C467 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 05:50:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail.matt.mcdonald@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i11so717646nzh for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:50:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ano3zu2nEWx57QkWi/Fr6B7I+AeYdjXW0XLRx85/WRE69+dYkn7F7TV3UzNVhqsoz2aKtsNw9FLg6IPJMNWm8twx2q+5eQSP6Imw1P4haJcEoE3hTbBCzNn+MXq1XJIMWT6DXZcvNUDBcXdDVCzBfF1Su9QFZb8x4bbNQso4vU4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=cS5cZQD+V0CW0OcWVWOQhaXlgzZOyClPZHXYD/ayQhtXt2rGdHFehB1LNUWGUkv6H9xYkcpe5EgToHPY5PAxddG+EYX6iPPdLUdVHJNlG/TYbPTfKrwb439MuTGYaxY7LfI5WSO/HgmZpAv+Hy34MgzN55L6gkdNDG0RA90Sos8= Received: by 10.114.93.1 with SMTP id q1mr1389234wab.1172294693735; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:24:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.15.10 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:24:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:24:53 -0700 From: "Matthew McDonald" To: "Darren Pilgrim" In-Reply-To: <45DFBC1A.8000908@evilphi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <86hctds1wv.fsf@dwp.des.no> <45DF9328.8080106@highperformance.net> <45DFBC1A.8000908@evilphi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= , "Jason C. Wells" , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newspeak X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 05:50:17 -0000 Well, because if it involves hacking it's obviously not as legitimate as anything that a corporation would do. After all, hackers are malicious by nature. -Matt McDonald On 2/23/07, Darren Pilgrim wrote: > > Jason C. Wells wrote: > > And on that topic, why does the MPAA go after the hacker instead of > > the company that sold them pure junk in the first place? > > Because it would make entirely too much sense and as we all know, the > business world runs on dollars, not sense. ;) > > -- > Darren Pilgrim > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 24 23:42:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68BB416A404 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 23:42:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0060713C4A7 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 23:42:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k27so1066549nfc for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:42:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PgDQ10QSpiq/xkIenW4PzB0T7BV9fr3uU9ZK7wNZeK3Ob/NTg51WK9/RKwGqVHBXbJjuN6CiXLAk3Wmei8Vz6tTn78kPf/U7Y9xhhzUHiFoLvfD4eK5CUEzu2qx66woNmCcbxMgz1h98At3X6mxifC4Q5m1bi45wWbqfPivlCLk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=oTi+IJ4wjyz9rSiD8cOcYRRLY+gehhgxSoQKYYhjyPS4plISgOVUlZ2lYV/i0t995neSSuIPnQUBjN4MaGWW00I/LZDNh09XQl9R5i4AlGezXoPl/xi1CjbCliseCdx+D1XENb+jbYMCKHehphB+sVkca0EYYU0Vr4J9JGPrgww= Received: by 10.48.245.17 with SMTP id s17mr9315487nfh.1172360553989; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:42:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.123.111? 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