From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 2 16:48:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14F7716A418 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:48:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1BCE13C448 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:48:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz ([69.27.149.254]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l32GZeEs059570 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:35:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <461130D7.8030500@daleco.biz> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 11:35:35 -0500 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2pre) Gecko/20070221 SeaMonkey/1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Chat Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Terry Lamber's "Mr. Bullet Mr. Foot" quote... X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 16:48:49 -0000 I find it hilarious, but can't find much corroborative evidence. Thomas Sparrevohn uses something very much like this in his .sig: "It is not Unix's job to keep you from shooting yourself in the foot. If you should choose to do so, it is Unix's job to deliver Mr. Bullet to Mr. Foot in the most efficient way it knows." --- Terry Lambert A reasonable amount of googling didn't produce a source file for said quote, though, only archived e-mails of Thomas's. Anyone know anything about it? Context? When, where, got a URI? Kevin Kinsey P.S. Hope I spelled "Sparrevohn" correctly. Seamonkey thinks it should be spelled "Irrevocable".... :-D -- I can give you my word, but I know what it's worth and you don't. -- Nero Wolfe, Over My Dead Body From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 2 17:43:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 362D216A401 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:43:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bakul@bitblocks.com) Received: from mail.bitblocks.com (ns1.bitblocks.com [64.142.15.60]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A8313C4AE for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:43:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bakul@bitblocks.com) Received: from bitblocks.com (localhost.bitblocks.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bitblocks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DF0E5B50; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:18:00 -0700 (PDT) To: Kevin Kinsey In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 02 Apr 2007 11:35:35 CDT." <461130D7.8030500@daleco.biz> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 10:18:00 -0700 From: Bakul Shah Message-Id: <20070402171800.5DF0E5B50@mail.bitblocks.com> Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Terry Lamber's "Mr. Bullet Mr. Foot" quote... X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 17:43:43 -0000 September 15, 1998 freebsd-hackers http://groups.google.com/group/mailing.freebsd.hackers/browse_thread/thread/f295cbdb3f35b98/39460787b6ecf6cd?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1#39460787b6ecf6cd > A reasonable amount of googling didn't produce a source file for > said quote, though, only archived e-mails of Thomas's. May be someone ought to offer a `google search 101' class. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, kdk@daleco.biz List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 07:22:27 -0000 Kevin Kinsey wrote: > I find it hilarious, but can't find much corroborative evidence. > Thomas Sparrevohn uses something very much like this in his .sig: > > "It is not Unix's job to keep you from shooting yourself in the > foot. If you should choose to do so, it is Unix's job to deliver > Mr. Bullet to Mr. Foot in the most efficient way it knows." > --- Terry Lambert > > A reasonable amount of googling didn't produce a source file for > said quote, though, only archived e-mails of Thomas's. > > Anyone know anything about it? Context? When, where, got a URI? I have Terry's quote in my signature collection for nearly nine years, but slightly different. I don't know if your above version is misquoted, or if Terry wrote that one in a different posting. Anyway, this is what Terry wrote on September 15th 1998 in the freebsd-hackers mailing list: | "If you aim the gun at your foot and pull the | trigger, it's UNIX's job to ensure reliable | delivery of the bullet to where you aimed the | gun (in this case, Mr. Foot)." Don't know about your googling skills ;-) but a very quick search on http://freebsd.rambler.ru (the best FreeBSD list search engine, IMHO) turns it up as the first hit: http://freebsd.rambler.ru/bsdmail/freebsd-hackers_1998/msg11208.html > P.S. Hope I spelled "Sparrevohn" correctly. Seamonkey thinks > it should be spelled "Irrevocable".... :-D Don't use spell checkers. Most of the time they break the spelling instead of fixing it. Well, at least that has been my experience. Personally I prefer to spend half a minute reading again through what I wrote before sending it. Much better than a spell checker. Most of my mistakes are grammar-related, word order or similar, and those aren't found by a spell checker anyway. :-) (YMMV, of course.) Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd $ dd if=/dev/urandom of=test.pl count=1 $ file test.pl test.pl: perl script text executable From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 3 07:26:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F03716A408 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 07:26:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [83.120.8.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81BCB13C4B7 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 07:26:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (pqbqjy@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l337QZdL045214 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 09:26:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id l337QZ0S045213; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 09:26:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 09:26:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200704030726.l337QZ0S045213@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <461130D7.8030500@daleco.biz> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat User-Agent: tin/1.8.2-20060425 ("Shillay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.11-STABLE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 03 Apr 2007 09:26:40 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Subject: Re: Terry Lamber's "Mr. Bullet Mr. Foot" quote... X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 07:26:42 -0000 Kevin Kinsey wrote: > [...] BTW, you seem to have an e-mail problem. My reply to your address bounced. Just to let you know ... Best regards Oliver > The original message was received at Tue, 3 Apr 2007 09:22:22 +0200 (CEST) > from wfwnet@localhost [127.0.0.1] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > (reason: 550 5.0.0 Access denied) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > ... while talking to secure.southernuniform.com.: > >>> MAIL From: > <<< 550 5.0.0 Access denied > 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable > > --l337MRXq045048.1175584947/lurza.secnetix.de > Content-Type: message/delivery-status > > Reporting-MTA: dns; lurza.secnetix.de > Received-From-MTA: DNS; localhost > Arrival-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 09:22:22 +0200 (CEST) > > Final-Recipient: RFC822; kdk@daleco.biz > Action: failed > Status: 5.0.0 > Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 5.0.0 Access denied > Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 09:22:24 +0200 (CEST) -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd "We, the unwilling, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, for so long, with so little, we are now qualified to do anything with nothing."         -- Mother Teresa From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 3 21:14:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C322B16A403 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 21:14:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CF8D13C459 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 21:14:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz ([69.27.149.254]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l33LEEkh072189 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:14:15 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <4612C3A0.8000507@daleco.biz> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 16:14:08 -0500 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2pre) Gecko/20070221 SeaMonkey/1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Chat Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Anyone using/heard of NOD32 (Win Antivirus).... X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 21:14:16 -0000 We are, like many, constrained to do support for a number of clients who use that Other System. Anyone in the same boat heard of or using "NOD32" for anti-virus on said platform? Just heard of it today (we don't update our security paradigm often enough, it seems), and it looks pretty nice. Kevin Kinsey -- If a thing's worth doing, it is worth doing badly. -- G. K. 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( [84.0.103.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id y2sm1903892mug.2007.04.05.08.53.21; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 08:53:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46151BD6.3060603@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 17:55:02 +0200 From: deeptech71@gmail.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 15:53:25 -0000 Returning topic. Archives are here: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2007-January/subject.html I've just tested dangerously dedicated mode, and it worked! Next stop: it can't load the kernel (only on the 486). --- PART OF OUTPUT: Loading /boot/defaults/loader.conf /boot/kernel/kernel text=0x51a2e4 readin failed elf32_loadimage: read failed /boot/kernel/kernel text=0x51a2e4 readin failed elf32_loadimage: read failed Unable to load a kernel! - Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or press any other key for command prompt. Booting [/boot/kernel/kernel] can't load 'kernel' Type '?' for a list of commands, 'help' for more detailed help. OK --- END PART OF OUTPUT I'm inputting: more /boot/kernel/kernel It outputs ['?' = loads of crap]: *** FILE /boot/kernel/kernel BEGIN *** ?ELF????????????????????????????????????? -- more -- OK, what now? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 5 17:19:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0898B16A402 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 17:19:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [83.120.8.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70FD113C448 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 17:19:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (atmzeb@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l35HJ2mY018556; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:19:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id l35HJ2ZW018555; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:19:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:19:02 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200704051719.l35HJ2ZW018555@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, deeptech71@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <46151BD6.3060603@gmail.com> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat User-Agent: tin/1.8.2-20060425 ("Shillay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.11-STABLE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 05 Apr 2007 19:19:08 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, deeptech71@gmail.com List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 17:19:10 -0000 deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: > I've just tested dangerously dedicated mode, and it worked! > Next stop: it can't load the kernel (only on the 486). > > --- PART OF OUTPUT: > Loading /boot/defaults/loader.conf > /boot/kernel/kernel text=0x51a2e4 > readin failed > > elf32_loadimage: read failed > /boot/kernel/kernel text=0x51a2e4 > readin failed > > elf32_loadimage: read failed > Unable to load a kernel! > - > Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or press any other key for command prompt. > Booting [/boot/kernel/kernel] > can't load 'kernel' > Type '?' for a list of commands, 'help' for more detailed help. > OK > --- END PART OF OUTPUT I assume that you don't have enough RAM. If I remember correctly, your 486 machine only has 8 MB of RAM, which is not enough to load a GENERIC kernel nowadays. You will have to compile a smaller kernel by removing all things that you don't need. Of course, you could also upgrade the RAM in that machine, if possible. > I'm inputting: more /boot/kernel/kernel > It outputs ['?' = loads of crap]: > *** FILE /boot/kernel/kernel BEGIN *** > ?ELF????????????????????????????????????? > -- more -- Well, yes, a kernel is a binary file. It doesn't make much sense to try to view it with "more". Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd "That's what I love about GUIs: They make simple tasks easier, and complex tasks impossible." -- John William Chambless From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 5 19:41:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A452A16A405 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:41:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E6013C44B for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:41:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 71so1095953ugh for ; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 12:41:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=q6tBSSncXFEBR667/h3z8piF+KcriM4vLzh6SVzGv0dKyw32V1efKYEx6tKxVi7NyAty6OQo43GI0ujgXEnqm+H/Eko/RaJqBwQb0K/bLgKi/fFtPkhNzje/LTg1+kxPmg1KMtNROY2m6gSPy9S6SO7KQgVerrQMwzoqcikGloM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=FfqYHrvfPn8nl3h0w2ZMEXu1oU8CBDr5ovwpPn/8jEuu27zBcS1p2biIG0kin+FSoH+BuedYkbEJ+V4I1QSN7HD3Stx60HyeKCzKMGJ2YHIUEKxg/8DO6AU/iWMiUXVYA0LRleFCIjU6UNZSPacKS+q9VkHwZgsmuUKR5adRRJg= Received: by 10.78.97.7 with SMTP id u7mr414545hub.1175802097872; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 12:41:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.123.111? ( [84.0.103.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j9sm6733652mue.2007.04.05.12.41.36; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 12:41:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46155153.3080607@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 21:43:15 +0200 From: deeptech71@gmail.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, deeptech71@gmail.com References: <200704051719.l35HJ2ZW018555@lurza.secnetix.de> In-Reply-To: <200704051719.l35HJ2ZW018555@lurza.secnetix.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 19:41:39 -0000 Oliver Fromme wrote: > deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: > > I've just tested dangerously dedicated mode, and it worked! > > Next stop: it can't load the kernel (only on the 486). > > > > --- PART OF OUTPUT: > > Loading /boot/defaults/loader.conf > > /boot/kernel/kernel text=0x51a2e4 > > readin failed > > > > elf32_loadimage: read failed > > /boot/kernel/kernel text=0x51a2e4 > > readin failed > > > > elf32_loadimage: read failed > > Unable to load a kernel! > > - > > Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or press any other key for command prompt. > > Booting [/boot/kernel/kernel] > > can't load 'kernel' > > Type '?' for a list of commands, 'help' for more detailed help. > > OK > > --- END PART OF OUTPUT > > I assume that you don't have enough RAM. If I remember > correctly, your 486 machine only has 8 MB of RAM, which > is not enough to load a GENERIC kernel nowadays. You > will have to compile a smaller kernel by removing all > things that you don't need. > > Of course, you could also upgrade the RAM in that machine, > if possible. > > > I'm inputting: more /boot/kernel/kernel > > It outputs ['?' = loads of crap]: > > *** FILE /boot/kernel/kernel BEGIN *** > > ?ELF????????????????????????????????????? > > -- more -- > > Well, yes, a kernel is a binary file. It doesn't make > much sense to try to view it with "more". > > Best regards > Oliver > I just wanted to show that the kernel file can be read, is a loadable ELF, and is possibly valid. Not that i'm a comp noob :] . Imlicit question: Then why would the error be 'read failed'? (uh... 'readin' == preload (in RAM) ?) 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( [84.0.102.109]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id e9sm7494858muf.2007.04.05.16.21.19; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 16:21:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <461584D4.4010606@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 01:23:00 +0200 From: deeptech71@gmail.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <200704051719.l35HJ2ZW018555@lurza.secnetix.de> In-Reply-To: <200704051719.l35HJ2ZW018555@lurza.secnetix.de> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090307060506090608000503" Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 23:21:24 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090307060506090608000503 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oliver Fromme wrote: > I assume that you don't have enough RAM. If I remember > correctly, your 486 machine only has 8 MB of RAM, which > is not enough to load a GENERIC kernel nowadays. You > will have to compile a smaller kernel by removing all > things that you don't need. Making progress. With my custom kernel, the system makes it to the beastie menu. After selecting an option, the screen clears (no kernel text displayed), after which the 486 is restarted. Works fine on modern computer though. What now? [ATTACHMENT] is my kernel config. Something that might be needed or is redunant? 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Received: from [10.9.70.14] (pool-72-87-39-21.ptldor.fios.verizon.net [72.87.39.21]) by mail.twinthornes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3D474A6; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46158675.8060205@evilphi.com> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 16:29:57 -0700 From: Darren Pilgrim User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: deeptech71@gmail.com References: <200704051719.l35HJ2ZW018555@lurza.secnetix.de> <461584D4.4010606@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <461584D4.4010606@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 23:50:27 -0000 deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: > With my custom kernel, the system makes it to the beastie menu. After > selecting an option, the screen clears (no kernel text displayed), > after which the 486 is restarted. Works fine on modern computer > though. What now? [ATTACHMENT] is my kernel config. Something that > might be needed or is redunant? > > Oh and.. should I be using 5.1 over 6.2? Well for one you should probably not try to boot an i686 kernel on a 486.... -- Darren Pilgrim From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 6 09:06:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C894416A401 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 09:06:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8880213C484 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 09:06:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5D472091; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 11:06:23 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Tests: AWL X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: 0.0/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on tim.des.no Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248E82090; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 11:06:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0BFE2A1089; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 11:06:23 +0200 (CEST) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) To: Darren Pilgrim References: <200704051719.l35HJ2ZW018555@lurza.secnetix.de> <461584D4.4010606@gmail.com> <46158675.8060205@evilphi.com> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 11:06:22 +0200 In-Reply-To: <46158675.8060205@evilphi.com> (Darren Pilgrim's message of "Thu, 05 Apr 2007 16:29:57 -0700") Message-ID: <86fy7doos1.fsf@dwp.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 09:06:27 -0000 Darren Pilgrim writes: > Well for one you should probably not try to boot an i686 kernel on a 486.= ... It's not an i686 kernel. It's an i486 kernel with code to recognize and support i586 and i686 CPUs. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 6 10:27:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7F3F16A401 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:27:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@ricin.com) Received: from smtpq2.groni1.gr.home.nl (smtpq2.groni1.gr.home.nl [213.51.130.201]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B8E413C48A for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:27:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@ricin.com) Received: from [213.51.130.188] (port=47520 helo=smtp3.groni1.gr.home.nl) by smtpq2.groni1.gr.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1HZlfK-0007Vu-4c for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 12:27:34 +0200 Received: from cp464173-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([84.27.214.242]:57126 helo=desktop.homenet) by smtp3.groni1.gr.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1HZlfA-0000Xa-85 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 12:27:24 +0200 From: Danny Pansters To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:27:10 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <200704051719.l35HJ2ZW018555@lurza.secnetix.de> <461584D4.4010606@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <461584D4.4010606@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200704061227.11036.danny@ricin.com> X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Please contact support@home.nl for more information X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:27:35 -0000 On Friday 06 April 2007 01:23:00 deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: > Oliver Fromme wrote: > > I assume that you don't have enough RAM. If I remember > > correctly, your 486 machine only has 8 MB of RAM, which > > is not enough to load a GENERIC kernel nowadays. You > > will have to compile a smaller kernel by removing all > > things that you don't need. This was my first thought too; and indeed I think "read" means read preloaded image from RAM in this context. > Making progress. With my custom kernel, the system makes it to the beastie > menu. After selecting an option, the screen clears (no kernel text > displayed), after which the 486 is restarted. Works fine on modern computer > though. What now? [ATTACHMENT] is my kernel config. Something that might be > needed or is redunant? Might still be too little (or defect!) RAM. One other idea might be to add isa (you have pci and eisa), an old (isa-based?) mobo may need some crufty plug-n-pray stuff -- possibly even to get to the HD controller, I'm not sure. > Oh and.. should I be using 5.1 over 6.2? 5 is dead. You pretty much must use 6 I think. I don't know if it will matter much in terms of required RAM but there seem to be various things you can take out of your kernel config. I68[5][6]_CPU, all scsi support, since you dont have INET6 you can also get rid of gif and faith. (I'm assuming that you do have a NIC that you want to load as a module and that you want ether and tcp/ip). Get rid of slip, ppp, tunnel unless you're going to use dialup. Don't remove loop, random, ether, md, pty. Also, some if not all parallel port support can probably be stripped out. COMPAT_FREEBSD[4][5] are candidates too, unless you want to run [4][5].x binaries. Good luck, Dan From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 6 15:32:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 231D716A405 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:32:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C86513C45D for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:32:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 71so1232449ugh for ; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 08:32:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type; b=ZFAmW3SVPjFGchiwnKKBPkvtIAHj1VYqKcDK6gIUpE7e/jq1LxgKA+TWufZRr4ciyXPtoorfIF8q6BcnZrBRCxOP4iCx0wcmjCNwlM4MS/B4ovLFLbIW3Rq8GxNGwEPj0FFHpAy4xAEQpDkRTqFo0IggDosCUeKofhZQV0APpZ4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type; b=KvR7BtJl61KU/EqCeqjd/69E27sUVhcjHW8RPghOvWaQBfnAcSCyk0/70qWW9TcAsqrBwT7kix/5178aJSljTBRh3ysu9gPfwChmyLCsnBe0pDp7WrcwfrIzn7GlphEd14NtOd1iM40DGMQBjXkF7Blf6HZtGrZ5PgA9wp1ccHs= Received: by 10.82.167.5 with SMTP id p5mr4575692bue.1175873546734; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 08:32:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.123.111? ( [84.0.98.146]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id g1sm6737291muf.2007.04.06.08.32.21; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 08:32:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4616686C.8000603@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:34:04 +0200 From: deeptech71@gmail.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Danny Pansters References: <200704051719.l35HJ2ZW018555@lurza.secnetix.de> <461584D4.4010606@gmail.com> <200704061227.11036.danny@ricin.com> In-Reply-To: <200704061227.11036.danny@ricin.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040101030804020000050301" Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:32:29 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040101030804020000050301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Danny Pansters wrote: > Might still be too little (or defect!) RAM. One other idea might be to add isa > (you have pci and eisa), an old (isa-based?) mobo may need some crufty > plug-n-pray stuff -- possibly even to get to the HD controller, I'm not sure. It was running windoze3.1 normally. I doubt about defective RAM. PCI is definitely unneeded, I only had it there to allow it to boot on a new comp. But as I've seen it, it would boot without it: with the message 'loading required module pci'. I don't know if it's an EISA or ISA or whatever (google images show this and that..), so now I have 'device eisa' and 'isa'. >> Oh and.. should I be using 5.1 over 6.2? > > 5 is dead. You pretty much must use 6 I think. floating point emulation... What about it? Is that required? The old proc doesnt support it. It was removed since 5.3, I've heard... > I don't know if it will matter much in terms of required RAM but there seem to > be various things you can take out of your kernel config. I68[5][6]_CPU, all > scsi support, since you dont have INET6 you can also get rid of gif and > faith. (I'm assuming that you do have a NIC that you want to load as a module > and that you want ether and tcp/ip). Get rid of slip, ppp, tunnel unless > you're going to use dialup. Don't remove loop, random, ether, md, pty. Also, > some if not all parallel port support can probably be stripped out. > COMPAT_FREEBSD[4][5] are candidates too, unless you want to run [4][5].x > binaries. CPUs, SCSIs removed, faith removed. Currently I don't have anything useful on the old board, such as a net card, but I'm planning to use it as a router, and I should be able to do VPN stuff. So I've left gif and tunnel and ppp. When I do have a NIC, I will enable some NIC support. I've never used a printer/parallel port or a serial port, but google images revealed that I have them, so I've left them there. I gather pty is for su's. Why do i need md? Well, if a standard 6.2 installation doesn't use 4.x or 5.x binaries by default, like 3.4 binaries, then I will remove it. Removed PS/2 mouse. Included MSDOS for mounting floppies. What about apic? Current kernel: [ATTACHMENT]. No CPU optimizations used, make.conf: [ATTACHMENT]. Result: after the beastie menu, the kernel ticks for a half a second, then the computer reboots. NEXT: I'm going to compile a bare kernel at some time. 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Keypresses are accepted by the # BIOS before booting from disk, making it possible to give custom boot # parameters even when this is set to 0. # BOOTWAIT=500 #BOOTWAIT=30000 # # By default, the system will always use the keyboard/video card as system # console. However, the boot blocks may be dynamically configured to use a # serial port in addition to or instead of the keyboard/video console. # # By default we use COM1 as our serial console port *if* we're going to use # a serial port as our console at all. Alter as necessary. # # COM1: = 0x3F8, COM2: = 0x2F8, COM3: = 0x3E8, COM4: = 0x2E8 # #BOOT_COMCONSOLE_PORT= 0x3F8 # # The default serial console speed is 9600. Set the speed to a larger value # for better interactive response. # #BOOT_COMCONSOLE_SPEED= 115200 # # By default the 'pxeboot' loader retrieves the kernel via NFS. Defining # this and recompiling /usr/src/sys/boot will cause it to retrieve the kernel # via TFTP. This allows pxeboot to load a custom BOOTP diskless kernel yet # still mount the server's '/' (i.e. rather than load the server's kernel). # #LOADER_TFTP_SUPPORT= YES # # # Kerberos 5 su (k5su) # If you want to use the k5su utility, define this to have it installed # set-user-ID. #ENABLE_SUID_K5SU= # # # CVSup update flags. Edit SUPFILE settings to reflect whichever distribution # file(s) you use on your site (see /usr/share/examples/cvsup/README for more # information on CVSup and these files). To use, do "make update" in /usr/src. # #SUP_UPDATE= # #SUP= /usr/bin/csup #SUPFLAGS= -g -L 2 #SUPHOST= cvsup.uk.FreeBSD.org #SUPFILE= /usr/share/examples/cvsup/standard-supfile #PORTSSUPFILE= /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile #DOCSUPFILE= /usr/share/examples/cvsup/doc-supfile # # top(1) uses a hash table for the user names. The size of this hash # can be tuned to match the number of local users. The table size should # be a prime number approximately twice as large as the number of lines in # /etc/passwd. The default number is 20011. # #TOP_TABLE_SIZE= 101 # # Documentation # # The list of languages and encodings to build and install # #DOC_LANG= en_US.ISO8859-1 ru_RU.KOI8-R # # # sendmail # # The following sets the default m4 configuration file to use at # install time. Use with caution as a make install will overwrite # any existing /etc/mail/sendmail.cf. Note that SENDMAIL_CF is now # deprecated. The value should be a fully qualified path name. # #SENDMAIL_MC=/etc/mail/myconfig.mc # # The following sets the default m4 configuration file for mail # submission to use at install time. Use with caution as a make # install will overwrite any existing /etc/mail/submit.cf. The # value should be a fully qualified path name. # #SENDMAIL_SUBMIT_MC=/etc/mail/mysubmit.mc # # If you need to build additional .cf files during a make buildworld, # include the full paths to the .mc files in SENDMAIL_ADDITIONAL_MC. # #SENDMAIL_ADDITIONAL_MC=/etc/mail/foo.mc /etc/mail/bar.mc # # The following overrides the default location for the m4 configuration # files used to build a .cf file from a .mc file. # #SENDMAIL_CF_DIR=/usr/local/share/sendmail/cf # # Setting the following variable modifies the flags passed to m4 when # building a .cf file from a .mc file. It can be used to enable # features disabled by default. # #SENDMAIL_M4_FLAGS= # # Setting the following variables modifies the build environment for # sendmail and its related utilities. For example, SASL support can be # added with settings such as: # # with SASLv1: # SENDMAIL_CFLAGS=-I/usr/local/include/sasl1 -DSASL # SENDMAIL_LDFLAGS=-L/usr/local/lib # SENDMAIL_LDADD=-lsasl # # with SASLv2: # SENDMAIL_CFLAGS=-I/usr/local/include -DSASL=2 # SENDMAIL_LDFLAGS=-L/usr/local/lib # SENDMAIL_LDADD=-lsasl2 # # Note: If you are using Cyrus SASL with other applications which require # access to the sasldb file, you should add the following to your # sendmail.mc file: # # define(`confDONT_BLAME_SENDMAIL',`GroupReadableSASLDBFile') # #SENDMAIL_CFLAGS= #SENDMAIL_LDFLAGS= #SENDMAIL_LDADD= #SENDMAIL_DPADD= # # Setting SENDMAIL_SET_USER_ID will install the sendmail binary as a # set-user-ID root binary instead of a set-group-ID smmsp binary and will # prevent the installation of /etc/mail/submit.cf. # This is a deprecated mode of operation. See etc/mail/README for more # information. # #SENDMAIL_SET_USER_ID= # # The permissions to use on alias and map databases generated using # /etc/mail/Makefile. Defaults to 0640. # #SENDMAIL_MAP_PERMS= # # wpa_supplicant # # Set this to disable building 802.1X and EAP support in wpa_supplicant. # #NO_WPA_SUPPLICANT_EAPOL=true # added by use.perl 2007-03-02 15:33:41 PERL_VER=5.8.8 PERL_VERSION=5.8.8 --------------040101030804020000050301 Content-Type: text/plain; name="OUTPOST" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="OUTPOST" # OUTPOST KERNEL FOR MACHINE OP.HACKSQUAD.ORG ident OUTPOST machine i386 cpu I486_CPU #cpu I586_CPU #cpu I686_CPU # To statically compile in device wiring instead of /boot/device.hints #hints "GENERIC.hints" # Default places to look for devices. #makeoptions DEBUG=-g # Build kernel with gdb(1) debug symbols options SCHED_4BSD # 4BSD scheduler options PREEMPTION # Enable kernel thread preemption options INET # InterNETworking #options INET6 # IPv6 communications protocols options FFS # Berkeley Fast Filesystem options SOFTUPDATES # Enable FFS soft updates support options UFS_ACL # Support for access control lists #options UFS_DIRHASH # Improve performance on big directories #options MD_ROOT # MD is a potential root device #options NFSCLIENT # Network Filesystem Client #options NFSSERVER # Network Filesystem Server #options NFS_ROOT # NFS usable as /, requires NFSCLIENT options MSDOSFS # MSDOS Filesystem #options CD9660 # ISO 9660 Filesystem #options PROCFS # Process filesystem (requires PSEUDOFS) #options PSEUDOFS # Pseudo-filesystem framework #options GEOM_GPT # GUID Partition Tables. options COMPAT_43 # Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] options COMPAT_FREEBSD4 # Compatible with FreeBSD4 options COMPAT_FREEBSD5 # Compatible with FreeBSD5 options SCSI_DELAY=5000 # Delay (in ms) before probing SCSI #options KTRACE # ktrace(1) support options SYSVSHM # SYSV-style shared memory options SYSVMSG # SYSV-style message queues options SYSVSEM # SYSV-style semaphores options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING # POSIX P1003_1B real-time extensions options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV # install a CDEV entry in /dev options ADAPTIVE_GIANT # Giant mutex is adaptive. device apic # I/O APIC # Bus support. device eisa #device pci device isa # Floppy drives device fdc # ATA and ATAPI devices device ata device atadisk # ATA disk drives #device ataraid # ATA RAID drives #device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives device atapifd # ATAPI floppy drives #device atapist # ATAPI tape drives options ATA_STATIC_ID # Static device numbering # SCSI Controllers #device ahb # EISA AHA1742 family #device ahc # AHA2940 and onboard AIC7xxx devices #options AHC_REG_PRETTY_PRINT # Print register bitfields in debug # output. Adds ~128k to driver. #device ahd # AHA39320/29320 and onboard AIC79xx devices #options AHD_REG_PRETTY_PRINT # Print register bitfields in debug # output. Adds ~215k to driver. #device amd # AMD 53C974 (Tekram DC-390(T)) #device isp # Qlogic family #device ispfw # Firmware for QLogic HBAs- normally a module #device mpt # LSI-Logic MPT-Fusion #device ncr # NCR/Symbios Logic #device sym # NCR/Symbios Logic (newer chipsets + those of `ncr') #device trm # Tekram DC395U/UW/F DC315U adapters #device adv # Advansys SCSI adapters #device adw # Advansys wide SCSI adapters #device aha # Adaptec 154x SCSI adapters #device aic # Adaptec 15[012]x SCSI adapters, AIC-6[23]60. #device bt # Buslogic/Mylex MultiMaster SCSI adapters #device ncv # NCR 53C500 #device nsp # Workbit Ninja SCSI-3 #device stg # TMC 18C30/18C50 # SCSI peripherals #device scbus # SCSI bus (required for SCSI) #device ch # SCSI media changers #device da # Direct Access (disks) #device sa # Sequential Access (tape etc) #device cd # CD #device pass # Passthrough device (direct SCSI access) #device ses # SCSI Environmental Services (and SAF-TE) # RAID controllers interfaced to the SCSI subsystem #device amr # AMI MegaRAID #device arcmsr # Areca SATA II RAID #device asr # DPT SmartRAID V, VI and Adaptec SCSI RAID #device ciss # Compaq Smart RAID 5* #device dpt # DPT Smartcache III, IV - See NOTES for options #device hptmv # Highpoint RocketRAID 182x #device rr232x # Highpoint RocketRAID 232x #device iir # Intel Integrated RAID #device ips # IBM (Adaptec) ServeRAID #device mly # Mylex AcceleRAID/eXtremeRAID #device twa # 3ware 9000 series PATA/SATA RAID # RAID controllers #device aac # Adaptec FSA RAID #device aacp # SCSI passthrough for aac (requires CAM) #device ida # Compaq Smart RAID #device mfi # LSI MegaRAID SAS #device mlx # Mylex DAC960 family #device pst # Promise Supertrak SX6000 #device twe # 3ware ATA RAID # atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse device atkbdc # AT keyboard controller device atkbd # AT keyboard #device psm # PS/2 mouse device kbdmux # keyboard multiplexer device vga # VGA video card driver #device splash # Splash screen and screen saver support # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc # Enable this for the pcvt (VT220 compatible) console driver #device vt #options XSERVER # support for X server on a vt console #options FAT_CURSOR # start with block cursor #device agp # support several AGP chipsets # Power management support (see NOTES for more options) #device apm # Add suspend/resume support for the i8254. #device pmtimer # PCCARD (PCMCIA) support # PCMCIA and cardbus bridge support #device cbb # cardbus (yenta) bridge #device pccard # PC Card (16-bit) bus #device cardbus # CardBus (32-bit) bus # Serial (COM) ports device sio # 8250, 16[45]50 based serial ports # Parallel port device ppc device ppbus # Parallel port bus (required) device lpt # Printer device plip # TCP/IP over parallel device ppi # Parallel port interface device #device vpo # Requires scbus and da # If you've got a "dumb" serial or parallel PCI card that is # supported by the puc(4) glue driver, uncomment the following # line to enable it (connects to the sio and/or ppc drivers): #device puc # PCI Ethernet NICs. #device de # DEC/Intel DC21x4x (``Tulip'') #device em # Intel PRO/1000 adapter Gigabit Ethernet Card #device ixgb # Intel PRO/10GbE Ethernet Card #device txp # 3Com 3cR990 (``Typhoon'') #device vx # 3Com 3c590, 3c595 (``Vortex'') # PCI Ethernet NICs that use the common MII bus controller code. # NOTE: Be sure to keep the 'device miibus' line in order to use these NICs! #device miibus # MII bus support #device bce # Broadcom BCM5706/BCM5708 Gigabit Ethernet #device bfe # Broadcom BCM440x 10/100 Ethernet #device bge # Broadcom BCM570xx Gigabit Ethernet #device dc # DEC/Intel 21143 and various workalikes #device fxp # Intel EtherExpress PRO/100B (82557, 82558) #device lge # Level 1 LXT1001 gigabit Ethernet #device nge # NatSemi DP83820 gigabit Ethernet #device nve # nVidia nForce MCP on-board Ethernet Networking #device pcn # AMD Am79C97x PCI 10/100(precedence over 'lnc') #device re # RealTek 8139C+/8169/8169S/8110S #device rl # RealTek 8129/8139 #device sf # Adaptec AIC-6915 (``Starfire'') #device sis # Silicon Integrated Systems SiS 900/SiS 7016 #device sk # SysKonnect SK-984x & SK-982x gigabit Ethernet #device ste # Sundance ST201 (D-Link DFE-550TX) #device stge # Sundance/Tamarack TC9021 gigabit Ethernet #device ti # Alteon Networks Tigon I/II gigabit Ethernet #device tl # Texas Instruments ThunderLAN #device tx # SMC EtherPower II (83c170 ``EPIC'') #device vge # VIA VT612x gigabit Ethernet #device vr # VIA Rhine, Rhine II #device wb # Winbond W89C840F #device xl # 3Com 3c90x (``Boomerang'', ``Cyclone'') # ISA Ethernet NICs. pccard NICs included. #device cs # Crystal Semiconductor CS89x0 NIC # 'device ed' requires 'device miibus' #device ed # NE[12]000, SMC Ultra, 3c503, DS8390 cards #device ex # Intel EtherExpress Pro/10 and Pro/10+ #device ep # Etherlink III based cards #device fe # Fujitsu MB8696x based cards #device ie # EtherExpress 8/16, 3C507, StarLAN 10 etc. #device lnc # NE2100, NE32-VL Lance Ethernet cards #device sn # SMC's 9000 series of Ethernet chips #device xe # Xircom pccard Ethernet # Wireless NIC cards #device wlan # 802.11 support #device wlan_wep # 802.11 WEP support #device wlan_ccmp # 802.11 CCMP support #device wlan_tkip # 802.11 TKIP support #device an # Aironet 4500/4800 802.11 wireless NICs. #device ath # Atheros pci/cardbus NIC's #device ath_hal # Atheros HAL (Hardware Access Layer) #device ath_rate_sample # SampleRate tx rate control for ath #device awi # BayStack 660 and others #device ral # Ralink Technology RT2500 wireless NICs. #device wi # WaveLAN/Intersil/Symbol 802.11 wireless NICs. #device wl # Older non 802.11 Wavelan wireless NIC. # Pseudo devices. device loop # Network loopback device random # Entropy device device ether # Ethernet support device sl # Kernel SLIP device ppp # Kernel PPP device tun # Packet tunnel. device pty # Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc) device md # Memory "disks" device gif # IPv6 and IPv4 tunneling #device faith # IPv6-to-IPv4 relaying (translation) # The `bpf' device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. # Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this! # Note that 'bpf' is required for DHCP. device bpf # Berkeley packet filter # USB support #device uhci # UHCI PCI->USB interface #device ohci # OHCI PCI->USB interface #device ehci # EHCI PCI->USB interface (USB 2.0) #device usb # USB Bus (required) #device udbp # USB Double Bulk Pipe devices #device ugen # Generic #device uhid # "Human Interface Devices" #device ukbd # Keyboard #device ulpt # Printer #device umass # Disks/Mass storage - Requires scbus and da #device ums # Mouse #device ural # Ralink Technology RT2500USB wireless NICs #device urio # Diamond Rio 500 MP3 player #device uscanner # Scanners # USB Ethernet, requires miibus #device aue # ADMtek USB Ethernet #device axe # ASIX Electronics USB Ethernet #device cdce # Generic USB over Ethernet #device cue # CATC USB Ethernet #device kue # Kawasaki LSI USB Ethernet #device rue # RealTek RTL8150 USB Ethernet # FireWire support #device firewire # FireWire bus code #device sbp # SCSI over FireWire (Requires scbus and da) #device fwe # Ethernet over FireWire (non-standard!) --------------040101030804020000050301-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 6 16:30:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1347716A401 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 16:30:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@ricin.com) Received: from smtpq2.groni1.gr.home.nl (smtpq2.groni1.gr.home.nl [213.51.130.201]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A532613C4B7 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 16:30:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@ricin.com) Received: from [213.51.130.188] (port=38208 helo=smtp3.groni1.gr.home.nl) by smtpq2.groni1.gr.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1HZrKL-00089u-P7; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:30:17 +0200 Received: from cp464173-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([84.27.214.242]:64183 helo=desktop.homenet) by smtp3.groni1.gr.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1HZrKE-00074v-Hw; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:30:10 +0200 From: Danny Pansters To: deeptech71@gmail.com Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 18:29:57 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <200704051719.l35HJ2ZW018555@lurza.secnetix.de> <200704061227.11036.danny@ricin.com> <4616686C.8000603@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4616686C.8000603@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200704061829.57355.danny@ricin.com> X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Please contact support@home.nl for more information X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:30:19 -0000 On Friday 06 April 2007 17:34:04 you wrote: > Danny Pansters wrote: > > Might still be too little (or defect!) RAM. One other idea might be to > > add isa (you have pci and eisa), an old (isa-based?) mobo may need some > > crufty plug-n-pray stuff -- possibly even to get to the HD controller, > > I'm not sure. > > It was running windoze3.1 normally. I doubt about defective RAM. > > PCI is definitely unneeded, I only had it there to allow it to boot on a > new comp. But as I've seen it, it would boot without it: with the message > 'loading required module pci'. I don't know if it's an EISA or ISA or > whatever (google images show this and that..), so now I have 'device eisa' > and 'isa'. > > >> Oh and.. should I be using 5.1 over 6.2? > > > > 5 is dead. You pretty much must use 6 I think. > > floating point emulation... What about it? Is that required? The old proc > doesnt support it. It was removed since 5.3, I've heard... Unsure. I'd leave it in. > > I don't know if it will matter much in terms of required RAM but there > > seem to be various things you can take out of your kernel config. > > I68[5][6]_CPU, all scsi support, since you dont have INET6 you can also > > get rid of gif and faith. (I'm assuming that you do have a NIC that you > > want to load as a module and that you want ether and tcp/ip). Get rid of > > slip, ppp, tunnel unless you're going to use dialup. Don't remove loop, > > random, ether, md, pty. Also, some if not all parallel port support can > > probably be stripped out. COMPAT_FREEBSD[4][5] are candidates too, unless > > you want to run [4][5].x binaries. > > CPUs, SCSIs removed, faith removed. > Currently I don't have anything useful on the old board, such as a net > card, but I'm planning to use it as a router, and I should be able to do > VPN stuff. So I've left gif and tunnel and ppp. When I do have a NIC, I > will enable some NIC support. > I've never used a printer/parallel port or a serial port, but google images > revealed that I have them, so I've left them there. > I gather pty is for su's. Why do i need md? Maybe you dont need it. I thought because you're short on RAM it might be something that can be useful. > Well, if a standard 6.2 installation doesn't use 4.x or 5.x binaries by > default, like 3.4 binaries, then I will remove it. > Removed PS/2 mouse. Included MSDOS for mounting floppies. > What about apic? Unsure. Think it may be ditched. > Current kernel: [ATTACHMENT]. No CPU optimizations used, make.conf: > [ATTACHMENT]. Result: after the beastie menu, the kernel ticks for a half a > second, then the computer reboots. > > Hmf. No fun. > NEXT: I'm going to compile a bare kernel at some time. And see if it works. Good luck. Dan From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 6 17:46:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FDF916A402 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 17:46:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phi@evilphi.com) Received: from mail.twinthornes.com (mail.twinthornes.com [65.75.198.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 211FB13C4B0 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 17:46:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phi@evilphi.com) Received: from [10.9.70.12] (pool-71-117-207-70.ptldor.fios.verizon.net [71.117.207.70]) by mail.twinthornes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FF8C1AC; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4616877D.7020205@evilphi.com> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:46:37 -0700 From: Darren Pilgrim User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= References: <200704051719.l35HJ2ZW018555@lurza.secnetix.de> <461584D4.4010606@gmail.com> <46158675.8060205@evilphi.com> <86fy7doos1.fsf@dwp.des.no> In-Reply-To: <86fy7doos1.fsf@dwp.des.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:46:38 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Darren Pilgrim writes: >> Well for one you should probably not try to boot an i686 kernel on a 486.... > > It's not an i686 kernel. It's an i486 kernel with code to recognize > and support i586 and i686 CPUs. Technically it's neither. It's an i386 kernel with support for 486-, 586- and 686-class CPUs. *hands Dag-Erling a box with NITS written on the side of it* -- Darren Pilgrim From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 6 18:54:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D270E16A401 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 18:54:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9428713C48A for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 18:54:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A62720A1; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 20:54:14 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Tests: AWL X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: 0.0/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on tim.des.no Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79CCE2094; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 20:54:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6ADD2A10A5; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 20:54:14 +0200 (CEST) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) To: Darren Pilgrim References: <200704051719.l35HJ2ZW018555@lurza.secnetix.de> <461584D4.4010606@gmail.com> <46158675.8060205@evilphi.com> <86fy7doos1.fsf@dwp.des.no> <4616877D.7020205@evilphi.com> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 20:54:14 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4616877D.7020205@evilphi.com> (Darren Pilgrim's message of "Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:46:37 -0700") Message-ID: <8664899vvt.fsf@dwp.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:54:18 -0000 Darren Pilgrim writes: > Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > > Darren Pilgrim writes: > > > Well for one you should probably not try to boot an i686 kernel > > > on a 486.... > > It's not an i686 kernel. It's an i486 kernel with code to > > recognize and support i586 and i686 CPUs. > Technically it's neither. It's an i386 kernel with support for > 486-, 586- and 686-class CPUs. No. It won't run on an i386. Atomic operations are ridiculously inefficient on the i386 (no cmpxchg), so we don't use i386-compatible code unless I386_CPU was specified. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 6 20:14:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43B3F16A420 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 20:14:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from supernews.unixathome.org (supernews.unixathome.org [216.168.29.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F36813C4C1 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 20:14:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by supernews.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E7F1702F for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:14:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from supernews.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (supernews.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TOp-6rnxT5KD for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:14:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [74.104.200.201]) by supernews.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C0A1702A for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:14:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.55.0.99] (wocker.unixathome.org [10.55.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D0E4B852 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 16:14:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:13:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <461671BA.13571.947AF2B@dan.langille.org> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Subject: headed to Jupiter X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 20:14:45 -0000 I'll be in Jupiter Fl April 10-14th... I have no idea how many of us are in that area.... -- Dan Langille : Software Developer looking for work my resume: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference - http://www.pgcon.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 7 04:42:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2187816A404 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 04:42:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailnull@mips.inka.de) Received: from mail-in-11.arcor-online.net (mail-in-11.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0CA013C457 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 04:42:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailnull@mips.inka.de) Received: from mail-in-04-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-04-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.16]) by mail-in-11.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C99182093EB for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 02:39:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail-in-06.arcor-online.net (mail-in-06.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.46]) by mail-in-04-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD4A7ABEB7 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 02:39:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (dslb-088-066-060-103.pools.arcor-ip.net [88.66.60.103]) by mail-in-06.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A34FD2C898A for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 02:39:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.13.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l370dExr054417 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 02:39:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mailnull@kemoauc.mips.inka.de) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l370dEgD054416 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 02:39:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mailnull) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 00:39:13 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <461130D7.8030500@daleco.biz> <200704030722.l337MGDN045044@lurza.secnetix.de> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Terry Lamber's "Mr. Bullet Mr. Foot" quote... X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 04:42:43 -0000 Oliver Fromme wrote: > Don't use spell checkers. Most of the time they break the > spelling instead of fixing it. Spell-checkers are useful for pointing out casual typos and frequent misspellings ("recieve", "seperate", "occured") or helping you with those words you never manage to get right (u-b-i-q-u-i-t-o-u-s). The problem is people who have so little confidence in their own spelling ability that they blindly trust the program. I've never bothered with spell-checkers either, but now that Firefox has sort of forced one on me, I don't mind it. Now, if we could automagically switch to the correct language... > Personally I prefer to spend half a minute reading again through > what I wrote before sending it. Yes, but that suffers from the effect that you probably read what you wanted to write, not necessarily what's actually on the page. Happens to me all the time. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 7 06:12:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A50C16A404 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 06:12:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phi@evilphi.com) Received: from mail.twinthornes.com (mail.twinthornes.com [65.75.198.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B81313C44B for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 06:12:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phi@evilphi.com) Received: from [10.9.70.12] (pool-71-117-207-70.ptldor.fios.verizon.net [71.117.207.70]) by mail.twinthornes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70B28569; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 23:12:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46173650.5090506@evilphi.com> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 23:12:32 -0700 From: Darren Pilgrim User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christian Weisgerber References: <461130D7.8030500@daleco.biz> <200704030722.l337MGDN045044@lurza.secnetix.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Terry Lamber's "Mr. Bullet Mr. Foot" quote... X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 06:12:43 -0000 Christian Weisgerber wrote: > I've never bothered with spell-checkers either, but now that Firefox > has sort of forced one on me, I don't mind it. Now, if we could > automagically switch to the correct language... https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/3414/ Autodetection doesn't work in all cases, but at least it puts dictionary switching two clicks off the status bar, rather than three clicks off a text box. -- Darren Pilgrim From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 7 19:26:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD5B516A473 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 19:26:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [63.240.77.83]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D4A13C4BF for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 19:26:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) Received: from gimpy.tcbug.org (c-75-72-199-210.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[75.72.199.210]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with ESMTP id <20070407191146013003fugke>; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 19:11:46 +0000 Received: from gimpy.tcbug.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gimpy.tcbug.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E7F18A03F; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 14:11:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from jpaetzel@localhost) by gimpy.tcbug.org (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l37JBtVV071858; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 14:11:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) X-Authentication-Warning: gimpy.tcbug.org: jpaetzel set sender to josh@tcbug.org using -f Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 14:11:54 -0500 From: Josh Paetzel To: deeptech71@gmail.com Message-ID: <20070407191154.GP68260@tcbug.org> References: <200704051719.l35HJ2ZW018555@lurza.secnetix.de> <461584D4.4010606@gmail.com> <200704061227.11036.danny@ricin.com> <4616686C.8000603@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4616686C.8000603@gmail.com> Cc: Danny Pansters , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Josh Paetzel List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 19:26:32 -0000 deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: > Danny Pansters wrote: > > CPUs, SCSIs removed, faith removed. > Currently I don't have anything useful on the old board, such as a net card, > but I'm planning to use it as a router, and I should be able to do VPN stuff. > So I've left gif and tunnel and ppp. When I do have a NIC, I will enable some > NIC support. > I've never used a printer/parallel port or a serial port, but google images > revealed that I have them, so I've left them there. > I gather pty is for su's. Why do i need md? > Well, if a standard 6.2 installation doesn't use 4.x or 5.x binaries by > default, like 3.4 binaries, then I will remove it. > Removed PS/2 mouse. Included MSDOS for mounting floppies. > What about apic? > VPN over 56k maybe? You're going to be very unhappy trying to use a 486 for a VPN at anything approximating a sane data-rate, even more so if you are short of RAM and dug into swap under normal operation. -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 7 21:14:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF90616A401 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 21:14:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A0A13C48A for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 21:14:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 71so1373031ugh for ; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 14:14:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type; b=krXqu9HlKG8rU0rKNp53X3KEgqDOO71k2ziIaEXwQPVTWwROS1BhoEfqkaPOlG171qncPHaRrgMF02YWbapaklaot665TgolzR8oBP0yTUaKWihwkmHIMn0JR+PLTFjY2QbWGrv27vEEug4DHSZU4Aqq+/VPb2LqBuqYK8h1lOc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type; b=Hg5zgdD0drDdTNJ3zGzf3QL+pKksv2nQ6BaPL96qc5JkeGXRvx/BEbNacHbW5JjSx6YKpN0pwgcKfniUGP1z5rZEisup4ri6mAX42q7hl6dE4csgbhvWqN+R58beoL4noq3Y/ptYp2QxFziq/rWfWPwXqlMZgPERdFJXykCpZ1A= Received: by 10.67.90.1 with SMTP id s1mr4019846ugl.1175980450052; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 14:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.123.111? ( [84.0.104.91]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id y2sm12298692mug.2007.04.07.14.14.07; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 14:14:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46180A09.5020003@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 23:15:53 +0200 From: deeptech71@gmail.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010002080808090201050107" Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 21:14:12 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010002080808090201050107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is so goddamn. I've disabled almost everything in the kernel and the 486 still wont boot! OK, forget about the router, just get FreeBSD running on it! Any suggestions? --------------010002080808090201050107 Content-Type: text/plain; name="BAREv6" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="BAREv6" ident BAREv6 machine i386 cpu I486_CPU #cpu I586_CPU #cpu I686_CPU # To statically compile in device wiring instead of /boot/device.hints #hints "GENERIC.hints" # Default places to look for devices. #makeoptions DEBUG=-g # Build kernel with gdb(1) debug symbols options SCHED_4BSD # 4BSD scheduler options PREEMPTION # Enable kernel thread preemption options INET # InterNETworking #options INET6 # IPv6 communications protocols options FFS # Berkeley Fast Filesystem #options SOFTUPDATES # Enable FFS soft updates support options UFS_ACL # Support for access control lists #options UFS_DIRHASH # Improve performance on big directories #options MD_ROOT # MD is a potential root device #options NFSCLIENT # Network Filesystem Client #options NFSSERVER # Network Filesystem Server #options NFS_ROOT # NFS usable as /, requires NFSCLIENT #options MSDOSFS # MSDOS Filesystem #options CD9660 # ISO 9660 Filesystem #options PROCFS # Process filesystem (requires PSEUDOFS) #options PSEUDOFS # Pseudo-filesystem framework #options GEOM_GPT # GUID Partition Tables. options COMPAT_43 # Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] #options COMPAT_FREEBSD4 # Compatible with FreeBSD4 #options COMPAT_FREEBSD5 # Compatible with FreeBSD5 options SCSI_DELAY=5000 # Delay (in ms) before probing SCSI #options KTRACE # ktrace(1) support #options SYSVSHM # SYSV-style shared memory #options SYSVMSG # SYSV-style message queues #options SYSVSEM # SYSV-style semaphores #options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING # POSIX P1003_1B real-time extensions options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV # install a CDEV entry in /dev options ADAPTIVE_GIANT # Giant mutex is adaptive. #device apic # I/O APIC # Bus support. #device eisa #device pci # Floppy drives #device fdc # ATA and ATAPI devices device ata device atadisk # ATA disk drives #device ataraid # ATA RAID drives #device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives #device atapifd # ATAPI floppy drives #device atapist # ATAPI tape drives options ATA_STATIC_ID # Static device numbering # SCSI Controllers #device ahb # EISA AHA1742 family #device ahc # AHA2940 and onboard AIC7xxx devices #options AHC_REG_PRETTY_PRINT # Print register bitfields in debug # output. Adds ~128k to driver. #device ahd # AHA39320/29320 and onboard AIC79xx devices #options AHD_REG_PRETTY_PRINT # Print register bitfields in debug # output. Adds ~215k to driver. #device amd # AMD 53C974 (Tekram DC-390(T)) #device isp # Qlogic family #device ispfw # Firmware for QLogic HBAs- normally a module #device mpt # LSI-Logic MPT-Fusion #device ncr # NCR/Symbios Logic #device sym # NCR/Symbios Logic (newer chipsets + those of `ncr') #device trm # Tekram DC395U/UW/F DC315U adapters #device adv # Advansys SCSI adapters #device adw # Advansys wide SCSI adapters #device aha # Adaptec 154x SCSI adapters #device aic # Adaptec 15[012]x SCSI adapters, AIC-6[23]60. #device bt # Buslogic/Mylex MultiMaster SCSI adapters #device ncv # NCR 53C500 #device nsp # Workbit Ninja SCSI-3 #device stg # TMC 18C30/18C50 # SCSI peripherals #device scbus # SCSI bus (required for SCSI) #device ch # SCSI media changers #device da # Direct Access (disks) #device sa # Sequential Access (tape etc) #device cd # CD #device pass # Passthrough device (direct SCSI access) #device ses # SCSI Environmental Services (and SAF-TE) # RAID controllers interfaced to the SCSI subsystem #device amr # AMI MegaRAID #device arcmsr # Areca SATA II RAID #device asr # DPT SmartRAID V, VI and Adaptec SCSI RAID #device ciss # Compaq Smart RAID 5* #device dpt # DPT Smartcache III, IV - See NOTES for options #device hptmv # Highpoint RocketRAID 182x #device rr232x # Highpoint RocketRAID 232x #device iir # Intel Integrated RAID #device ips # IBM (Adaptec) ServeRAID #device mly # Mylex AcceleRAID/eXtremeRAID #device twa # 3ware 9000 series PATA/SATA RAID # RAID controllers #device aac # Adaptec FSA RAID #device aacp # SCSI passthrough for aac (requires CAM) #device ida # Compaq Smart RAID #device mfi # LSI MegaRAID SAS #device mlx # Mylex DAC960 family #device pst # Promise Supertrak SX6000 #device twe # 3ware ATA RAID # atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse device atkbdc # AT keyboard controller device atkbd # AT keyboard #device psm # PS/2 mouse device kbdmux # keyboard multiplexer device vga # VGA video card driver #device splash # Splash screen and screen saver support # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc # Enable this for the pcvt (VT220 compatible) console driver #device vt #options XSERVER # support for X server on a vt console #options FAT_CURSOR # start with block cursor #device agp # support several AGP chipsets # Power management support (see NOTES for more options) #device apm # Add suspend/resume support for the i8254. #device pmtimer # PCCARD (PCMCIA) support # PCMCIA and cardbus bridge support #device cbb # cardbus (yenta) bridge #device pccard # PC Card (16-bit) bus #device cardbus # CardBus (32-bit) bus # Serial (COM) ports #device sio # 8250, 16[45]50 based serial ports # Parallel port #device ppc #device ppbus # Parallel port bus (required) #device lpt # Printer #device plip # TCP/IP over parallel #device ppi # Parallel port interface device #device vpo # Requires scbus and da # If you've got a "dumb" serial or parallel PCI card that is # supported by the puc(4) glue driver, uncomment the following # line to enable it (connects to the sio and/or ppc drivers): #device puc # PCI Ethernet NICs. #device de # DEC/Intel DC21x4x (``Tulip'') #device em # Intel PRO/1000 adapter Gigabit Ethernet Card #device ixgb # Intel PRO/10GbE Ethernet Card #device txp # 3Com 3cR990 (``Typhoon'') #device vx # 3Com 3c590, 3c595 (``Vortex'') # PCI Ethernet NICs that use the common MII bus controller code. # NOTE: Be sure to keep the 'device miibus' line in order to use these NICs! #device miibus # MII bus support #device bce # Broadcom BCM5706/BCM5708 Gigabit Ethernet #device bfe # Broadcom BCM440x 10/100 Ethernet #device bge # Broadcom BCM570xx Gigabit Ethernet #device dc # DEC/Intel 21143 and various workalikes #device fxp # Intel EtherExpress PRO/100B (82557, 82558) #device lge # Level 1 LXT1001 gigabit Ethernet #device nge # NatSemi DP83820 gigabit Ethernet #device nve # nVidia nForce MCP on-board Ethernet Networking #device pcn # AMD Am79C97x PCI 10/100(precedence over 'lnc') #device re # RealTek 8139C+/8169/8169S/8110S #device rl # RealTek 8129/8139 #device sf # Adaptec AIC-6915 (``Starfire'') #device sis # Silicon Integrated Systems SiS 900/SiS 7016 #device sk # SysKonnect SK-984x & SK-982x gigabit Ethernet #device ste # Sundance ST201 (D-Link DFE-550TX) #device stge # Sundance/Tamarack TC9021 gigabit Ethernet #device ti # Alteon Networks Tigon I/II gigabit Ethernet #device tl # Texas Instruments ThunderLAN #device tx # SMC EtherPower II (83c170 ``EPIC'') #device vge # VIA VT612x gigabit Ethernet #device vr # VIA Rhine, Rhine II #device wb # Winbond W89C840F #device xl # 3Com 3c90x (``Boomerang'', ``Cyclone'') # ISA Ethernet NICs. pccard NICs included. #device cs # Crystal Semiconductor CS89x0 NIC # 'device ed' requires 'device miibus' #device ed # NE[12]000, SMC Ultra, 3c503, DS8390 cards #device ex # Intel EtherExpress Pro/10 and Pro/10+ #device ep # Etherlink III based cards #device fe # Fujitsu MB8696x based cards #device ie # EtherExpress 8/16, 3C507, StarLAN 10 etc. #device lnc # NE2100, NE32-VL Lance Ethernet cards #device sn # SMC's 9000 series of Ethernet chips #device xe # Xircom pccard Ethernet # Wireless NIC cards #device wlan # 802.11 support #device wlan_wep # 802.11 WEP support #device wlan_ccmp # 802.11 CCMP support #device wlan_tkip # 802.11 TKIP support #device an # Aironet 4500/4800 802.11 wireless NICs. #device ath # Atheros pci/cardbus NIC's #device ath_hal # Atheros HAL (Hardware Access Layer) #device ath_rate_sample # SampleRate tx rate control for ath #device awi # BayStack 660 and others #device ral # Ralink Technology RT2500 wireless NICs. #device wi # WaveLAN/Intersil/Symbol 802.11 wireless NICs. #device wl # Older non 802.11 Wavelan wireless NIC. # Pseudo devices. device loop # Network loopback device random # Entropy device device ether # Ethernet support #device sl # Kernel SLIP #device ppp # Kernel PPP #device tun # Packet tunnel. device pty # Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc) device md # Memory "disks" #device gif # IPv6 and IPv4 tunneling #device faith # IPv6-to-IPv4 relaying (translation) # The `bpf' device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. # Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this! # Note that 'bpf' is required for DHCP. #device bpf # Berkeley packet filter # USB support #device uhci # UHCI PCI->USB interface #device ohci # OHCI PCI->USB interface #device ehci # EHCI PCI->USB interface (USB 2.0) #device usb # USB Bus (required) #device udbp # USB Double Bulk Pipe devices #device ugen # Generic #device uhid # "Human Interface Devices" #device ukbd # Keyboard #device ulpt # Printer #device umass # Disks/Mass storage - Requires scbus and da #device ums # Mouse #device ural # Ralink Technology RT2500USB wireless NICs #device urio # Diamond Rio 500 MP3 player #device uscanner # Scanners # USB Ethernet, requires miibus #device aue # ADMtek USB Ethernet #device axe # ASIX Electronics USB Ethernet #device cdce # Generic USB over Ethernet #device cue # CATC USB Ethernet #device kue # Kawasaki LSI USB Ethernet #device rue # RealTek RTL8150 USB Ethernet # FireWire support #device firewire # FireWire bus code #device sbp # SCSI over FireWire (Requires scbus and da) #device fwe # Ethernet over FireWire (non-standard!) --------------010002080808090201050107-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 7 21:20:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2E2416A402 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 21:20:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5871213C489 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 21:20:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g7so1659534muf for ; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 14:20:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZHAZZvi05CdfaZfIBYEcRK8XwVTySSZVjr5oeksrHFDuF4c1aXQDwSYMZkIu3gMRmx0J9ei6L4dsoUmmMLuftDLc2B/gMEzN+lPjW4N+VkjVpiuMtrEjphAGVo/EgIbBS829zYzzmGTCpyIRyxsygmfh+f8+8sNjRw8LxljzhHM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=nU9SPZexYXSDQm843YEIu2XHjOLPuYkeJ5B4az4yWBEQAjeLoNa0FX55KmJsUKgCerX0Pf2KjW7VPOnvgCisxM1/9cPOL4g+fU3REcdNyOhRKNs4D0EDXh6NT61WFX3LRHCx9ctgreghmmrdIQDq/XLYkIp4VbXLtU0g8PXAXbo= Received: by 10.82.153.5 with SMTP id a5mr5999146bue.1175980799939; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 14:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.123.111? ( [84.0.104.91]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id g1sm12315379muf.2007.04.07.14.19.58; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 14:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46180B68.1080000@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 23:21:44 +0200 From: deeptech71@gmail.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Josh Paetzel References: <200704051719.l35HJ2ZW018555@lurza.secnetix.de> <461584D4.4010606@gmail.com> <200704061227.11036.danny@ricin.com> <4616686C.8000603@gmail.com> <20070407191154.GP68260@tcbug.org> In-Reply-To: <20070407191154.GP68260@tcbug.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 21:20:01 -0000 Josh Paetzel wrote: > deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: >> Danny Pansters wrote: >> >> CPUs, SCSIs removed, faith removed. >> Currently I don't have anything useful on the old board, such as a net card, >> but I'm planning to use it as a router, and I should be able to do VPN stuff. >> So I've left gif and tunnel and ppp. When I do have a NIC, I will enable some >> NIC support. >> I've never used a printer/parallel port or a serial port, but google images >> revealed that I have them, so I've left them there. >> I gather pty is for su's. Why do i need md? >> Well, if a standard 6.2 installation doesn't use 4.x or 5.x binaries by >> default, like 3.4 binaries, then I will remove it. >> Removed PS/2 mouse. Included MSDOS for mounting floppies. >> What about apic? >> > > VPN over 56k maybe? You're going to be very unhappy trying to use a > 486 for a VPN at anything approximating a sane data-rate, even more > so if you are short of RAM and dug into swap under normal operation. > Oh I don't care, I'm happy with my hardware router. Fucks up only ~every month. Experience with old hardware & FreeBSD... Minimal kernel + VPN prog needs more RAM than 8MB? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 7 21:23:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2455316A404 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 21:23:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB0A313C4D1 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 21:23:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AA5720A2; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 23:23:19 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Tests: AWL,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: 0.2/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on tim.des.no Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D40A2091; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 23:23:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2BF58A10A5; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 23:23:19 +0200 (CEST) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) To: deeptech71@gmail.com References: <46180A09.5020003@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 23:23:19 +0200 In-Reply-To: <46180A09.5020003@gmail.com> (deeptech71@gmail.com's message of "Sat, 07 Apr 2007 23:15:53 +0200") Message-ID: <86slbb3mm0.fsf@dwp.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 21:23:23 -0000 deeptech71@gmail.com writes: > This is so goddamn. I've disabled almost everything in the kernel and > the 486 still wont boot! Error messages, please. Preferably a complete console log starting with BTX. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 7 22:33:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EAD816A401 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 22:33:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emailrob@emailrob.com) Received: from green.dls.net (green.dls.net [209.242.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 605DE13C45B for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 22:33:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emailrob@emailrob.com) Received: from emailrob.com (216-145-235-166.rev.dls.net [216.145.235.166]) by green.dls.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17BC6411EA5 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:05:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46180799.5070400@emailrob.com> Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 22:05:29 +0100 From: spellberg_robert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@freebsd.org References: <46180A09.5020003@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 22:33:12 -0000 i've been following this because i have a compaq sitting on a closet shelf. mine has 40 megs of ram, so hope springs eternal [ just to prove i can really do it ]. i've let people more expert than me answer first, but i've played around with kernel tweaking and had some success, so i'll throw in my $0.02. take out absolutely --everything-- not related to the hard_drive, the keyboard and the crt, even though there are other things that are important, like networking. if you can't get this to come up, it may be time for a good scotch and some wistful memories. kill the remaining pseudo_devices. do you need kbdmux in the console ? ADAPTIVE_GIANT ? PREEMPTION ? INET ? UFS_ACL ? SCSI_DELAY ? KBD_INSTALL_CDEV ? you get the idea. once you get it working, you can always add things back, one at a time. when it fails, you know your limit. i do admire your stick_to_it_iveness. but, remember, new two_year old technology is pretty cheap, when you can find it. can't promise this will work. hope it helps. rob deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: > This is so goddamn. I've disabled almost everything in the kernel and > the 486 still wont boot! > > OK, forget about the router, just get FreeBSD running on it! Any > suggestions? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 7 22:59:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3121F16A402 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 22:59:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emailrob@emailrob.com) Received: from green.dls.net (green.dls.net [209.242.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12DA913C45E for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 22:59:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emailrob@emailrob.com) Received: from emailrob.com (216-145-235-166.rev.dls.net [216.145.235.166]) by green.dls.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8850E411EC4 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:38:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46180F62.6040309@emailrob.com> Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 22:38:42 +0100 From: spellberg_robert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fbsd_chat Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [ot] seeking usa vendor of two_year_old technology X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 22:59:58 -0000 yes, this --is-- off_topic, but i --am-- going to install freebsd on them, so please don't flame me too badly. i've spent yesterday and today seeking a usa vendor of intel mobos. i'm buying parts for 12 systems, using the 865g, 915g and 945g chipsets and a mix of appropriate p4 and cd in the lga775 package. my frustration is that the major online retailers have a distinct "latest, greatest and most expensive" mindset, i guess because their target market only buys one machine at a time. specifically, i seek the boxd865gsal and boxd915gavl, four of each. i haven't identified the 945 yet, but i find lots of those, so far, so i'm not worried. i --did-- find one vendor, "ncix", that claims it will special order these [ two weeks ], but i've never heard of them [ that doesn't mean they're bad, of course ]. intel's website considers these to be current product. anyone in the reselling game on this list ? anyone care to recommend a vendor with whom they have had good fortune ? anyone have access to intel's distributors ? i send this as a shot in the dark. thanks in advance. rob From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 7 23:53:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9740C16A400 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 23:53:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 587E013C44B for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 23:53:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0A712091; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 01:53:39 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Tests: AWL X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: 0.0/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on tim.des.no Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39F972090; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 01:53:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 131E8A1089; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 01:53:39 +0200 (CEST) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) To: spellberg_robert References: <46180A09.5020003@gmail.com> <46180799.5070400@emailrob.com> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 01:53:38 +0200 In-Reply-To: <46180799.5070400@emailrob.com> (spellberg robert's message of "Sat, 07 Apr 2007 22:05:29 +0100") Message-ID: <861wiv68sd.fsf@dwp.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 23:53:43 -0000 spellberg_robert writes: > do you need kbdmux in the console ? Only if you intend to use USB keyboards. > ADAPTIVE_GIANT ? PREEMPTION ? INET ? UFS_ACL ? SCSI_DELAY ? > KBD_INSTALL_CDEV ? I don't think you can build a kernel without INET, actually. ADAPTIVE_GIANT and PREEMPTION have next to zero footprint. UFS_ACL is probably a couple of kilobytes. SCSI_DELAY means nothing, it just changes a setting (the hardcoded default is 15 seconds) KBD_INSTALL_CDEV just adds two lines of code to the kbd system. You can leave it out if you don't intend to use USB keyboards but it won't save you much. It should probably not be an option any more. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no