From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 21 20:16:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433B816A404; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:16:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rockwater@HotPOP.com) Received: from smtp-out.hotpop.com (smtp-out.hotpop.com [38.113.3.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 189B113C442; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:16:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rockwater@HotPOP.com) Received: from hotpop.com (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.105]) by smtp-out.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 672F54083F54; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 06:48:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lc.rock (unknown [58.31.36.92]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95C07148175; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 06:48:00 +0000 (UTC) To: Andrew Thompson References: <20070117013943.GD12548@heff.fud.org.nz> From: Tom Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:47:51 +0800 In-Reply-To: <20070117013943.GD12548@heff.fud.org.nz> (Andrew Thompson's message of "Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:39:43 +1300") Message-ID: <861wloanag.fsf@lc.rock> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bridging X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:16:37 -0000 Hi, I would like to help From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 21 21:11:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C26A16A400 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 21:11:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bahamasfranks@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA77213C428 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 21:11:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bahamasfranks@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so814712uge for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 13:11:51 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=gz4/dgzWJ3DGCYTZN+d8gK5wqj7aGKWNGddw1XovHyYo6FcfrCy33xn7+4wBkDCKKEGAbDoToINJ1HAUX5Qe+31+LhIoqa/4GoBOvtK7Hgilru+7S3sXdLwJUIVGwrHAa5O+BhpYk3VeH8zN05Y+CBHc/4OAlj5LE2BI/1eqwXM= Received: by 10.82.120.14 with SMTP id s14mr5163309buc.1169412319024; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:45:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.175.3 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:45:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <539c60b90701211245s4941d626iefa9810403c87a96@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 13:45:19 -0700 From: "Steve Franks" Sender: bahamasfranks@gmail.com To: "Giorgos Keramidas" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3668efb5efdb65f9 Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Users Questions Subject: Re: newbie documentation (was: Re: Contributing to FreeBSD documentation (was: Re: no ath0 on new system with good card)) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 21:11:53 -0000 I have another section to add to my previous post: At some point in your dealings, you may introduce a typo into a critical startup file, such as rc.conf, loader.conf, fstab, or similar, and reach the following upon reboot: "...." "Press enter for /bin/sh:" To recover: 0. press enter 1. cd /etc 2. cat fstab (if you don't know the partitions & disks to mount already) 3. mount /dev/adXs1Y /usr (gives you the edit command) (find X and Y in your fstab file) 4. mount /dev/adXs1Z / (gives you write acess to /etc) (find X and Z in your fstab) 5. edit blah ( i.e. rc.conf) to fix the typo 6. init 6 This has helped keep me from reaching for the install disk more than once, and it took a long time to figure out intuitively - think it might give the newbie's a 'leg-up' Steve On 1/17/07, Steve Franks wrote: > > > > On 1/16/07, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > On 2007-01-16 15:47, Steve Franks wrote: > > > So, this is what I have so for. It was a bit late at night, so I appologise > > > if my tone is a bit silly at times...where do we go from here? Steve > > > > [snip nicely written stuff about freezes during installation and first > > post install steps] > > > > Fantastic! This looks like something that would fit quite nicely with > > the section ``Installing FreeBSD > Troubleshooting'', in the Handbook. > > > > Do you mind if I integrate this with the section? Does it look like the > > right place for you to write this stuff? Will you be able to review it > > and let me know if it looks ok? > > > Sounds good to me. > > > > You can read the current Handbook section at: > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-trouble.html > > > Hmmm. Yes, I don't think the current page provides much actual help for newbies. Can we make sure to put links to all the appropriate man pages ( i.e. device.hints) in my text when we insert it? I've found the man online to be way more useful than I expected for people who are willing to read. We also could use some driver gurus to make my list of things to disable, and things to *not* disable both longer and correct - I admit I wrote that on my windows box, because my laptop bios disables the system (on purpose) when you put a non-compaq bsd-friendly network card in it. Go big brother. This is why I want to get the whole world to run *nix. > > > > Regards, > > Giorgos > > > > It occurs to me that a new option on the boot menu of the .iso installer that opens a version of this page in links or equiv might be most useful for newbies (I'm at work, so I can't check if it's there already). It might be useful to point to that doc if the .iso installer is started in safemode as well. > > Steve > > > -- > Steve Franks, KE7BTE > Staff Engineer > La Palma Devices, LLC > http://www.lapalmadevices.com > (520) 312-0089 -- Steve Franks, KE7BTE Staff Engineer La Palma Devices, LLC http://www.lapalmadevices.com (520) 312-0089 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 21 21:58:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 661DC16A40B; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 21:58:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ru@rambler-co.ru) Received: from relay0.rambler.ru (relay0.rambler.ru [81.19.66.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14A3B13C469; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 21:58:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ru@rambler-co.ru) Received: from relay0.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay0.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 931C4634D; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:25:27 +0300 (MSK) Received: from edoofus.park.rambler.ru (unknown [81.19.65.108]) by relay0.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70B7B634A; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:25:27 +0300 (MSK) Received: (from ru@localhost) by edoofus.park.rambler.ru (8.13.8/8.13.8) id l0LLOTWd063944; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:24:29 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from ru) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:24:28 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Murray Stokely Message-ID: <20070121212428.GA47379@rambler-co.ru> References: <200701171832.28368.dienst@marcrenearns.de> <20070118095724.GS5594@elvandar.org> <474078f80701180950s5e307d27lf91d2d2f2322737b@mail.gmail.com> <200701181427.52998.jhb@freebsd.org> <474078f80701181348q16ceb16bs40ba45b3d7057b83@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <474078f80701181348q16ceb16bs40ba45b3d7057b83@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Virus-Scanned: No virus found Cc: doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, re@freebsd.org, Marc Ren? Arns Subject: Re: make buildkernel fails without complete source tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 21:58:42 -0000 --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 01:48:14PM -0800, Murray Stokely wrote: > On 1/18/07, John Baldwin wrote: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >- { " sys", "/usr/src/sys (FreeBSD kernel)", > >+ { " sys", "/usr/src/sys (FreeBSD kernel; requires= =20 > >'base' > >to build)", >=20 > I think this is a good solution. >=20 I don't think this is a good idea as it's not actually required. The sys/ part have traditionally been standalone. And if you're not upgrading then "buildkernel" is just a convenience alias for config/make method. Actually this method is always used except that in the buildkernel case it will use an upgraded toolchain if it was previously built by "buildworld". Cheers, --=20 Ruslan Ermilov ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFs9oMqRfpzJluFF4RArDCAJ4+uYlpqK7E6j+bE4oNEv7TBXOi9gCdEUvL TkOtRR8kDd4N1fgDJRWYXb8= =7S2D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 21 21:58:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 661DC16A40B; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 21:58:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ru@rambler-co.ru) Received: from relay0.rambler.ru (relay0.rambler.ru [81.19.66.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14A3B13C469; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 21:58:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ru@rambler-co.ru) Received: from relay0.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay0.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 931C4634D; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:25:27 +0300 (MSK) Received: from edoofus.park.rambler.ru (unknown [81.19.65.108]) by relay0.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70B7B634A; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:25:27 +0300 (MSK) Received: (from ru@localhost) by edoofus.park.rambler.ru (8.13.8/8.13.8) id l0LLOTWd063944; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:24:29 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from ru) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:24:28 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Murray Stokely Message-ID: <20070121212428.GA47379@rambler-co.ru> References: <200701171832.28368.dienst@marcrenearns.de> <20070118095724.GS5594@elvandar.org> <474078f80701180950s5e307d27lf91d2d2f2322737b@mail.gmail.com> <200701181427.52998.jhb@freebsd.org> <474078f80701181348q16ceb16bs40ba45b3d7057b83@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <474078f80701181348q16ceb16bs40ba45b3d7057b83@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Virus-Scanned: No virus found Cc: doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, re@freebsd.org, Marc Ren? Arns Subject: Re: make buildkernel fails without complete source tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 21:58:42 -0000 --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 01:48:14PM -0800, Murray Stokely wrote: > On 1/18/07, John Baldwin wrote: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >- { " sys", "/usr/src/sys (FreeBSD kernel)", > >+ { " sys", "/usr/src/sys (FreeBSD kernel; requires= =20 > >'base' > >to build)", >=20 > I think this is a good solution. >=20 I don't think this is a good idea as it's not actually required. The sys/ part have traditionally been standalone. And if you're not upgrading then "buildkernel" is just a convenience alias for config/make method. Actually this method is always used except that in the buildkernel case it will use an upgraded toolchain if it was previously built by "buildworld". Cheers, --=20 Ruslan Ermilov ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFs9oMqRfpzJluFF4RArDCAJ4+uYlpqK7E6j+bE4oNEv7TBXOi9gCdEUvL TkOtRR8kDd4N1fgDJRWYXb8= =7S2D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 00:48:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3348716A46C for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:48:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail2.fluidhosting.com (mx21.fluidhosting.com [204.14.89.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D153613C43E for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:48:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 25595 invoked by uid 399); 22 Jan 2007 00:21:57 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO ?192.168.0.5?) (dougb@dougbarton.us@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 Jan 2007 00:21:57 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 127.0.0.1 Message-ID: <45B4039E.2000100@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 16:21:50 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Franks References: <539c60b90701211245s4941d626iefa9810403c87a96@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <539c60b90701211245s4941d626iefa9810403c87a96@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, Giorgos Keramidas , FreeBSD Users Questions Subject: Re: newbie documentation (was: Re: Contributing to FreeBSD documentation (was: Re: no ath0 on new system with good card)) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:48:39 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Steve Franks wrote: > I have another section to add to my previous post: > > At some point in your dealings, you may introduce a typo into a > critical startup file, such as rc.conf, loader.conf, fstab, or > similar, and reach the following upon reboot: > > "...." > "Press enter for /bin/sh:" > > To recover: While it's always nice when someone takes an interest in improving our documentation, what you have below is missing some key ingredients. > 0. press enter > 1. cd /etc > 2. cat fstab (if you don't know the partitions & disks to mount already) It's very possible that cat won't be in your path when you do this, so you might have to say /bin/cat. Similarly throughout the rest of your post. More importantly, it's crucial to run at least 'fsck -p' before trying to mount anything. If the only things you'll be mounting are in fstab already, that's all you have to type. If you need to mount something that isn't in fstab, you'll have to specify it by device, such as 'fsck -p /dev/ad2s1e'. If the prune isn't enough, then you will have to do 'fsck -y /dev/' for anything that didn't come up clean. > 3. mount /dev/adXs1Y /usr (gives you the edit command) (find X and Y > in your fstab file) > 4. mount /dev/adXs1Z / (gives you write acess to /etc) (find X and Z > in your fstab) First, if the slices you're mounting are in your fstab, you don't have to specify the device name, just 'mount /' is enough. Second, you should always mount the / partition read/write before you try to mount anything else. Assuming that all your slices came up clean after fsck, it is probably simpler to do 'mount -a' (or 'mount -a -t nonfs' if you have NFS mounts in your fstab without the noauto flag) than to type them all out by hand. > 5. edit blah ( i.e. rc.conf) to fix the typo > 6. init 6 You're much better off to just type 'exit' when you're done fixing stuff. That will take you out of the subshell, and back into the normal rc startup process. Hope this helps, Doug - -- This .signature sanitized for your protection -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (MingW32) iD8DBQFFtAOeyIakK9Wy8PsRAiiyAJ92/0/nYm7d952zEglKoDF0KOvcQQCfTS51 TwAQySkJy3SPd6vIZMNSXI8= =Ye1F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 10:02:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29FF616A413 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:02:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arek.filipiak@nomet.pl) Received: from nomet.pl (axe210.internetdsl.tpnet.pl [83.18.82.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC5C13C457 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:02:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arek.filipiak@nomet.pl) Received: from [11.11.11.224] (unknown [11.11.11.224]) by nomet.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E07FC17 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:54:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <45B4879C.9050702@nomet.pl> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:45:00 +0100 From: Arkadiusz Filipiak User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: error X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:02:33 -0000 Hi on http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-samba.html the link about Official Samba HOWTO is invalid. Best Regards Akadiusz F. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 11:06:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B24516A400 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:06:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [69.147.83.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A40B13C448 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:06:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (linimon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l0MB6HdY035927 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:06:17 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from linimon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id l0MB6GqA035923 for DOC; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:06:16 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:06:16 GMT Message-Id: <200701221106.l0MB6GqA035923@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: linimon set sender to owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Cc: Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:06:18 -0000 Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The problem is understood and a solution is being sought. f - feedback Further work requires additional information from the originator or the community - possibly confirmation of the effectiveness of a proposed solution. p - patched A patch has been committed, but some issues (MFC and / or confirmation from originator) are still open. r - repocopy The resolution of the problem report is dependent on a repocopy operation within the CVS repository which is awaiting completion. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on, due to lack of information or resources. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested -- or when fixing the problem is abandoned. Critical problems Serious problems S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o docs/27605 doc [patch] Cross-document references () s docs/35678 doc docproj Makefiles for web are broken for paths with sp o docs/61605 doc [feature request] Improve documentation for i386 disk o docs/80843 doc [patch] psm(4): Suggested fix for psm0 / handle driver o docs/84932 doc new document: printing with an Epson ALC-3000N on Free o docs/98115 doc Missing parts after rendering handbook to RTF format o docs/106135 doc articles/vinum needs to be updated o docs/107378 doc [handbook] Handbook Installation chapter needs fixing o docs/108030 doc ERROR make doc (6.2-STABLE) 9 problems total. Non-critical problems S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- s docs/20028 doc ASCII docs should reflect tags in the sourc o docs/24786 doc missing FILES descriptions in sa(4) o docs/26286 doc *printf(3) etc should gain format string warnings a docs/30008 doc [patch] French softupdates document should be translat s docs/33589 doc [patch] to doc.docbook.mk to post process .tex files. o docs/35222 doc [patch] getmsg.cgi: mailing list archive URL regexp su o docs/35608 doc mt(1) page uses "setmark" without explanation. o docs/35609 doc mt(1) page needs explanation of "long erase". o docs/35612 doc ps(1) page "state" description doesn't mention "spread o docs/35953 doc hosts.equiv(5) manual is confusing or wrong about host o docs/36432 doc Proposal for doc/share/mk: make folded books using psu o docs/36449 doc symlink(7) manual doesn't mention trailing slash, etc. o docs/38982 doc [patch] developers-handbook/Jail fix o docs/39348 doc diskless(8): note that kenv fetch of hostname requires o docs/39530 doc access(2) man page has unnecessarily broad warning o docs/40423 doc Keyboard(4)'s definition of parameters to GETFKEY/SETF o docs/41089 doc pax(1) -B option does not mention interaction with -z o docs/41807 doc [patch] natd(8): document natd -punch_fw "bug" o docs/43823 doc [PATCH] update to environ(7) manpage o docs/43941 doc document the Rationale for Upgrade Sequence (e.g. why o docs/44074 doc [patch] ln(1) manual clarifications o docs/46295 doc please add information to Nvi recovery email o docs/47594 doc [PATCH] passwd(5) incorrectly states allowed username o docs/47818 doc [patch] ln(1) manpage is confusing o docs/48101 doc [patch] add documentation on the fixit disk to the FAQ o docs/50211 doc [PATCH] doc.docbook.mk: fix textfile creation o docs/51891 doc DIAGNOSTICS in ed(4) driver manpage don't match realit o docs/52071 doc [PATCH] Add more information about soft updates into a o docs/53596 doc Updates to mt(1) manual page s docs/55482 doc document the fact that DUMP has access to block device o docs/57388 doc [patch] INSTALL.TXT enhancement: mention ok prompt o docs/57926 doc [patch] amd.conf(5) poorly format as it has both man(7 o docs/59044 doc [patch] doc.docbook.mk does not properly handle a sour o docs/59477 doc Outdated Info Documents at http://docs.freebsd.org/inf o docs/59835 doc ipfw(8) man page does not warn about accepted but mean o docs/61070 doc handbook: Installation docs misleading: PResizer isn' o docs/61301 doc [patch] Manpage patch for aue(4) to enable HomePNA fun o docs/61667 doc Obsolete documentation on FreeBSD PnP o docs/62412 doc one of the diskless boot methods described in the Hand o docs/63215 doc Wrong prototypes in mi_switch(9) (ref docs/24311) o docs/64807 doc Handbook section on NAT incomplete o docs/65477 doc release notes: installation instruction fail to mentio o docs/66265 doc [patch] Document what -f and LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS_F o docs/66296 doc [patch] contrib/amd/amq/amq.8 uses log_options instead o docs/66483 doc [patch] share/man/man4/csa.4 grammar nits o docs/69861 doc [patch] usr.bin/csplit/csplit.1 does not document POSI o docs/70217 doc [patch] Suggested rewrite of docproj/sgml.sgml for cla o docs/73679 doc FreeBSD 5.3 Release notes mention new natd(8) function o docs/74612 doc [patch] updates to the glossary o docs/75865 doc comments on "backup-basics" in handbook o docs/75995 doc hcreate(3) documentation(?) bug o docs/76333 doc [patch] ferror(3): EOF indicator can be cleared by not o docs/78041 doc [patch] docs for md(4) need further explanation of typ o docs/78138 doc [patch] Error in pre-installation section of installat o docs/78240 doc [patch] handbook: replace with aroun o docs/78480 doc Networked printer setup unnecessarily complex in handb o docs/78915 doc rfork(2)'s RFTHREAD is not documented o docs/82595 doc 25.5.3 Configuring a bridge section of the handbook ne o docs/83621 doc [patch]: Minor omissions in /usr/src/UPDATING p docs/84101 doc [patch] mt(1) manpage has erroneous synopsis, etc. o docs/84154 doc Handbook somewhat off in use of /boot/kernel.old o docs/84265 doc [patch] chmod(1) manpage omits implication of setting p docs/84266 doc [patch] security(8) manpage should have init(8)'s list o docs/84267 doc [patch] chflags(1) manual doesn't say it's affected by o docs/84268 doc chmod(1) manpage's BUGS entry is either wrong or too c o docs/84317 doc fdp-primer doesn't show class=USERNAME distinctively o docs/84670 doc [patch] tput(1) manpage missing ENVIRONMENT section wi o docs/84806 doc mdoc(7) manpage has section ordering problems o docs/84956 doc [patch] intro(5) manpage doesn't mention API coverage o docs/85118 doc [PATCH] opiekey(1) references non-existing opiegen(1) o docs/85128 doc loader.conf(5) autoboot_delay incompletly described o docs/85187 doc [patch] find(1) manpage missing block info for -ls o docs/85243 doc Missing icmp related abbreviations for pf.conf(5) in i o docs/86342 doc bikeshed entry of Handbook is wrong o docs/87857 doc ifconfig(8) wireless options order matters o docs/87936 doc Handbook chapter on NIS/YP lacks good information on a o docs/88477 doc Possible addition to xl(4) manpage, Diagnostics sectio o docs/88512 doc [patch] mount_ext2fs(8) man page has no details on lar o docs/89325 doc [PATCH] Clarification of kbdmap(5), atkbd(4) and kbdco o docs/89492 doc vfs doc: some VOP_*(9) manual pages are outdated with o docs/91149 doc read(2) can return EINVAL for unaligned access to bloc o docs/91506 doc ndis(4) man page should be more specific about support o docs/92626 doc jail manpage should mention disabling some periodic sc o docs/93249 doc rewrite of handbook chapter 23 (PPP & SLIP) o docs/93363 doc Handbook 23.11. SMTP-Authentifizierung o docs/94125 doc DGE-530T doesn't work on FreeBSD v6.0 o docs/94625 doc [patch] growfs man page -- document "panic: not enough o docs/95139 doc FAQ to move filesystem to new disk fails: incorrect pe o docs/96207 doc Comments of a sockaddr_un structure could confuse one o docs/97939 doc some mistake in man of amq(8) o docs/98974 doc Missing tunables in loader(8) manpage o docs/99007 doc [patch] misleading nat configuration info o docs/99506 doc FreeBSD Handbook addition: IPv6 Server Settings o docs/99845 doc [patch] First introduce porttools to Porter's Handbook o docs/100196 doc man login.conf does explain not "unlimited" o docs/100242 doc sysctl(3) description of KERN_PROC is not correct anym o docs/101464 doc sync u_RU.KOI8-R/articles/portbuild/article.html with o docs/102148 doc The description of which Intel chips have EM64T is out o docs/102719 doc [patch] ng_bpf(4) example leads to unneeded promiscuos f docs/103730 doc [mail-archive]: duplicated file in mail archive o docs/104403 doc man security should mention that the usage of the X Wi o docs/104493 doc [patch] Wrong description in ntp.conf(5) (CURRENT and o docs/104879 doc Howto: Listen to IMA ADPCM .wav files on FreeBSD box o docs/105494 doc [PATCH] PH: rewrite WxWidgets entry o docs/105608 doc fdc(4) debugging description staled o docs/105997 doc sys/kern/sys_pipe.c refer to tuning(7), but there is n o docs/106425 doc [PATCH] add a HARDWARE-section to ata(4) o docs/106617 doc Typo found in Spanish translation of FreeBSD handbook o docs/107432 doc Handbook's default partitioning schema is out-of-date o docs/107611 doc man syncookies should mention net.inet.tcp.syncookies_ o docs/108101 doc /boot/default/loader.conf contains an incorrect commen o docs/108142 doc [patch] extattr(2) man page incomplete for extattr_lis 112 problems total. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 16:13:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E561A16A406; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:13:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from server.baldwin.cx (66-23-211-162.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.211.162]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89CB413C4A7; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:13:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost.corp.yahoo.com (john@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l0MGDmj4099480; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:13:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) From: John Baldwin To: Ruslan Ermilov Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:11:54 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200701171832.28368.dienst@marcrenearns.de> <474078f80701181348q16ceb16bs40ba45b3d7057b83@mail.gmail.com> <20070121212428.GA47379@rambler-co.ru> In-Reply-To: <20070121212428.GA47379@rambler-co.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200701221111.56264.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (server.baldwin.cx [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:13:53 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.3/2477/Mon Jan 22 10:10:05 2007 on server.baldwin.cx X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on server.baldwin.cx Cc: doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, Murray Stokely , re@freebsd.org, Marc Ren? Arns Subject: Re: make buildkernel fails without complete source tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:13:56 -0000 On Sunday 21 January 2007 16:24, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 01:48:14PM -0800, Murray Stokely wrote: > > On 1/18/07, John Baldwin wrote: > > =================================================================== > > >- { " sys", "/usr/src/sys (FreeBSD kernel)", > > >+ { " sys", "/usr/src/sys (FreeBSD kernel; requires > > >'base' > > >to build)", > > > > I think this is a good solution. > > > I don't think this is a good idea as it's not actually required. > The sys/ part have traditionally been standalone. And if you're > not upgrading then "buildkernel" is just a convenience alias for > config/make method. Actually this method is always used except > that in the buildkernel case it will use an upgraded toolchain > if it was previously built by "buildworld". It is required for buildkernel as otherwise there's no Makefile in /usr/src with a buildkernel target. It's only not required if you do 'config, etc.' by hand, but 'make buildkernel' requires some sort of /usr/src/Makefile, obviously. :) -- John Baldwin From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 16:14:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C2BC16A40D for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:14:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from server.baldwin.cx (66-23-211-162.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.211.162]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 347B913C461 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:14:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost.corp.yahoo.com (john@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l0MGDmj4099480; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:13:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) From: John Baldwin To: Ruslan Ermilov Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:11:54 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200701171832.28368.dienst@marcrenearns.de> <474078f80701181348q16ceb16bs40ba45b3d7057b83@mail.gmail.com> <20070121212428.GA47379@rambler-co.ru> In-Reply-To: <20070121212428.GA47379@rambler-co.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200701221111.56264.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (server.baldwin.cx [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:13:53 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.3/2477/Mon Jan 22 10:10:05 2007 on server.baldwin.cx X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on server.baldwin.cx Cc: doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, Murray Stokely , re@freebsd.org, Marc Ren? Arns Subject: Re: make buildkernel fails without complete source tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:14:35 -0000 On Sunday 21 January 2007 16:24, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 01:48:14PM -0800, Murray Stokely wrote: > > On 1/18/07, John Baldwin wrote: > > =================================================================== > > >- { " sys", "/usr/src/sys (FreeBSD kernel)", > > >+ { " sys", "/usr/src/sys (FreeBSD kernel; requires > > >'base' > > >to build)", > > > > I think this is a good solution. > > > I don't think this is a good idea as it's not actually required. > The sys/ part have traditionally been standalone. And if you're > not upgrading then "buildkernel" is just a convenience alias for > config/make method. Actually this method is always used except > that in the buildkernel case it will use an upgraded toolchain > if it was previously built by "buildworld". It is required for buildkernel as otherwise there's no Makefile in /usr/src with a buildkernel target. It's only not required if you do 'config, etc.' by hand, but 'make buildkernel' requires some sort of /usr/src/Makefile, obviously. :) -- John Baldwin From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 18:17:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7405616A400; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:17:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from opus.cse.buffalo.edu (opus.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 294A113C46A; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:17:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.cse.buffalo.edu [127.0.0.1]) by opus.cse.buffalo.edu (8.13.8/8.12.4) with ESMTP id l0MIHCmV012830; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:17:12 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Smith To: John Baldwin In-Reply-To: <200701221111.56264.jhb@freebsd.org> References: <200701171832.28368.dienst@marcrenearns.de> <474078f80701181348q16ceb16bs40ba45b3d7057b83@mail.gmail.com> <20070121212428.GA47379@rambler-co.ru> <200701221111.56264.jhb@freebsd.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-yOaw9K8bikyabgk0aQv4" Organization: U. Buffalo CSE Department Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:17:12 -0500 Message-Id: <1169489832.11889.64.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: re@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, Murray Stokely , Ruslan Ermilov , doc@freebsd.org, Marc Ren? Arns Subject: Re: make buildkernel fails without complete source tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:17:15 -0000 --=-yOaw9K8bikyabgk0aQv4 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 11:11 -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > On Sunday 21 January 2007 16:24, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 01:48:14PM -0800, Murray Stokely wrote: > > > On 1/18/07, John Baldwin wrote: > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > >- { " sys", "/usr/src/sys (FreeBSD kernel)", > > > >+ { " sys", "/usr/src/sys (FreeBSD kernel; requi= res=20 > > > >'base' > > > >to build)", > > >=20 > > > I think this is a good solution. > > >=20 > > I don't think this is a good idea as it's not actually required. > > The sys/ part have traditionally been standalone. And if you're > > not upgrading then "buildkernel" is just a convenience alias for > > config/make method. Actually this method is always used except > > that in the buildkernel case it will use an upgraded toolchain > > if it was previously built by "buildworld". >=20 > It is required for buildkernel as otherwise there's no Makefile in /usr/s= rc=20 > with a buildkernel target. It's only not required if you do 'config, etc= .'=20 > by hand, but 'make buildkernel' requires some sort of /usr/src/Makefile,=20 > obviously. :) I think that's what Ruslan meant by it having "traditionally been standalone". By tradition someone who just extracted the sys stuff wasn't expecting to do 'make buildkernel', they expected to do the 'config, etc'. For example someone who wanted to build custom kernels but had no intention of updating the machine using the source tree, and they knew how to build the kernels manually. The truth is the message should read "(FreeBSD kernel; requires 'base' to build if you insist on using 'make buildkernel' in /usr/src to build a kernel but if you know how to build a kernel 'manually' then 'base' is not required)". But I don't think that fits in 80 columns... :-) The message as proposed above also begs the question "So why have sys as a separate thing if all you can do is look at it?. That's not true but it is what the message suggests. --=20 Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | --=-yOaw9K8bikyabgk0aQv4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBFtP+o/G14VSmup/YRAsleAJ4k4faT+L7d6qK0TbIOL9dVlhueSwCfY20g RuoggeRsBxaPPAJo6ui455U= =YTZD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-yOaw9K8bikyabgk0aQv4-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 18:24:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D3816A407; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:24:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from chipmunk.ai.net (axe.ai.net [205.134.161.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C7C13C46A; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:24:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (ip70-177-190-239.dc.dc.cox.net [70.177.190.239]) by chipmunk.ai.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id l0MIOdxF039062; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:24:39 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:24:25 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Ken Smith Message-Id: <20070122132425.1527d4b3.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <1169489832.11889.64.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> References: <200701171832.28368.dienst@marcrenearns.de> <474078f80701181348q16ceb16bs40ba45b3d7057b83@mail.gmail.com> <20070121212428.GA47379@rambler-co.ru> <200701221111.56264.jhb@freebsd.org> <1169489832.11889.64.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> Organization: The FreeBSD Project X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org, jhb@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, murray.stokely@gmail.com, ru@FreeBSD.org, re@FreeBSD.org, dienst@marcrenearns.de Subject: Re: make buildkernel fails without complete source tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:24:37 -0000 On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:17:12 -0500 Ken Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 11:11 -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > > On Sunday 21 January 2007 16:24, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 01:48:14PM -0800, Murray Stokely wrote: > > > > On 1/18/07, John Baldwin wrote: > > > > =================================================================== > > > > >- { " sys", "/usr/src/sys (FreeBSD kernel)", > > > > >+ { " sys", "/usr/src/sys (FreeBSD kernel; requires > > > > >'base' > > > > >to build)", > > > > > > > > I think this is a good solution. > > > > > > > I don't think this is a good idea as it's not actually required. > > > The sys/ part have traditionally been standalone. And if you're > > > not upgrading then "buildkernel" is just a convenience alias for > > > config/make method. Actually this method is always used except > > > that in the buildkernel case it will use an upgraded toolchain > > > if it was previously built by "buildworld". > > > > It is required for buildkernel as otherwise there's no Makefile in /usr/src > > with a buildkernel target. It's only not required if you do 'config, etc.' > > by hand, but 'make buildkernel' requires some sort of /usr/src/Makefile, > > obviously. :) > > I think that's what Ruslan meant by it having "traditionally been > standalone". By tradition someone who just extracted the sys stuff > wasn't expecting to do 'make buildkernel', they expected to do the > 'config, etc'. For example someone who wanted to build custom kernels > but had no intention of updating the machine using the source tree, and > they knew how to build the kernels manually. > > The truth is the message should read "(FreeBSD kernel; requires 'base' > to build if you insist on using 'make buildkernel' in /usr/src to build > a kernel but if you know how to build a kernel 'manually' then 'base' is > not required)". But I don't think that fits in 80 columns... :-) > > The message as proposed above also begs the question "So why have sys as > a separate thing if all you can do is look at it?. That's not true but > it is what the message suggests. FreeBSD kernel; traditional build mechanism base; base sources including glue for buildkernel I'm not sure how the latter one is listed. -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 18:24:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D3816A407; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:24:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from chipmunk.ai.net (axe.ai.net [205.134.161.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C7C13C46A; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:24:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (ip70-177-190-239.dc.dc.cox.net [70.177.190.239]) by chipmunk.ai.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id l0MIOdxF039062; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:24:39 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:24:25 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Ken Smith Message-Id: <20070122132425.1527d4b3.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <1169489832.11889.64.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> References: <200701171832.28368.dienst@marcrenearns.de> <474078f80701181348q16ceb16bs40ba45b3d7057b83@mail.gmail.com> <20070121212428.GA47379@rambler-co.ru> <200701221111.56264.jhb@freebsd.org> <1169489832.11889.64.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> Organization: The FreeBSD Project X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org, jhb@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, murray.stokely@gmail.com, ru@FreeBSD.org, re@FreeBSD.org, dienst@marcrenearns.de Subject: Re: make buildkernel fails without complete source tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:24:37 -0000 On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:17:12 -0500 Ken Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 11:11 -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > > On Sunday 21 January 2007 16:24, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 01:48:14PM -0800, Murray Stokely wrote: > > > > On 1/18/07, John Baldwin wrote: > > > > =================================================================== > > > > >- { " sys", "/usr/src/sys (FreeBSD kernel)", > > > > >+ { " sys", "/usr/src/sys (FreeBSD kernel; requires > > > > >'base' > > > > >to build)", > > > > > > > > I think this is a good solution. > > > > > > > I don't think this is a good idea as it's not actually required. > > > The sys/ part have traditionally been standalone. And if you're > > > not upgrading then "buildkernel" is just a convenience alias for > > > config/make method. Actually this method is always used except > > > that in the buildkernel case it will use an upgraded toolchain > > > if it was previously built by "buildworld". > > > > It is required for buildkernel as otherwise there's no Makefile in /usr/src > > with a buildkernel target. It's only not required if you do 'config, etc.' > > by hand, but 'make buildkernel' requires some sort of /usr/src/Makefile, > > obviously. :) > > I think that's what Ruslan meant by it having "traditionally been > standalone". By tradition someone who just extracted the sys stuff > wasn't expecting to do 'make buildkernel', they expected to do the > 'config, etc'. For example someone who wanted to build custom kernels > but had no intention of updating the machine using the source tree, and > they knew how to build the kernels manually. > > The truth is the message should read "(FreeBSD kernel; requires 'base' > to build if you insist on using 'make buildkernel' in /usr/src to build > a kernel but if you know how to build a kernel 'manually' then 'base' is > not required)". But I don't think that fits in 80 columns... :-) > > The message as proposed above also begs the question "So why have sys as > a separate thing if all you can do is look at it?. That's not true but > it is what the message suggests. FreeBSD kernel; traditional build mechanism base; base sources including glue for buildkernel I'm not sure how the latter one is listed. -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 18:37:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4985A16A402 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:37:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from opus.cse.buffalo.edu (opus.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E752C13C442 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:37:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.cse.buffalo.edu [127.0.0.1]) by opus.cse.buffalo.edu (8.13.8/8.12.4) with ESMTP id l0MIHCmV012830; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:17:12 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Smith To: John Baldwin In-Reply-To: <200701221111.56264.jhb@freebsd.org> References: <200701171832.28368.dienst@marcrenearns.de> <474078f80701181348q16ceb16bs40ba45b3d7057b83@mail.gmail.com> <20070121212428.GA47379@rambler-co.ru> <200701221111.56264.jhb@freebsd.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-yOaw9K8bikyabgk0aQv4" Organization: U. Buffalo CSE Department Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:17:12 -0500 Message-Id: <1169489832.11889.64.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: re@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, Murray Stokely , Ruslan Ermilov , doc@freebsd.org, Marc Ren? Arns Subject: Re: make buildkernel fails without complete source tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:37:39 -0000 --=-yOaw9K8bikyabgk0aQv4 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 11:11 -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > On Sunday 21 January 2007 16:24, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 01:48:14PM -0800, Murray Stokely wrote: > > > On 1/18/07, John Baldwin wrote: > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > >- { " sys", "/usr/src/sys (FreeBSD kernel)", > > > >+ { " sys", "/usr/src/sys (FreeBSD kernel; requi= res=20 > > > >'base' > > > >to build)", > > >=20 > > > I think this is a good solution. > > >=20 > > I don't think this is a good idea as it's not actually required. > > The sys/ part have traditionally been standalone. And if you're > > not upgrading then "buildkernel" is just a convenience alias for > > config/make method. Actually this method is always used except > > that in the buildkernel case it will use an upgraded toolchain > > if it was previously built by "buildworld". >=20 > It is required for buildkernel as otherwise there's no Makefile in /usr/s= rc=20 > with a buildkernel target. It's only not required if you do 'config, etc= .'=20 > by hand, but 'make buildkernel' requires some sort of /usr/src/Makefile,=20 > obviously. :) I think that's what Ruslan meant by it having "traditionally been standalone". By tradition someone who just extracted the sys stuff wasn't expecting to do 'make buildkernel', they expected to do the 'config, etc'. For example someone who wanted to build custom kernels but had no intention of updating the machine using the source tree, and they knew how to build the kernels manually. The truth is the message should read "(FreeBSD kernel; requires 'base' to build if you insist on using 'make buildkernel' in /usr/src to build a kernel but if you know how to build a kernel 'manually' then 'base' is not required)". But I don't think that fits in 80 columns... :-) The message as proposed above also begs the question "So why have sys as a separate thing if all you can do is look at it?. That's not true but it is what the message suggests. --=20 Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | --=-yOaw9K8bikyabgk0aQv4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBFtP+o/G14VSmup/YRAsleAJ4k4faT+L7d6qK0TbIOL9dVlhueSwCfY20g RuoggeRsBxaPPAJo6ui455U= =YTZD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-yOaw9K8bikyabgk0aQv4-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 18:47:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 102D516A409 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:47:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail2.fluidhosting.com (mx21.fluidhosting.com [204.14.89.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3CCA513C522 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:47:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 2896 invoked by uid 399); 22 Jan 2007 18:47:11 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO ?192.168.0.5?) (dougb@dougbarton.us@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 Jan 2007 18:47:11 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 127.0.0.1 Message-ID: <45B506A7.7060909@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:47:03 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ken Smith References: <200701171832.28368.dienst@marcrenearns.de> <474078f80701181348q16ceb16bs40ba45b3d7057b83@mail.gmail.com> <20070121212428.GA47379@rambler-co.ru> <200701221111.56264.jhb@freebsd.org> <1169489832.11889.64.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> In-Reply-To: <1169489832.11889.64.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: re@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, Murray Stokely , Ruslan Ermilov , doc@freebsd.org, Marc Ren? Arns Subject: Re: make buildkernel fails without complete source tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:47:28 -0000 Ken Smith wrote: > I think that's what Ruslan meant by it having "traditionally been > standalone". By tradition someone who just extracted the sys stuff > wasn't expecting to do 'make buildkernel', they expected to do the > 'config, etc'. For example someone who wanted to build custom kernels > but had no intention of updating the machine using the source tree, and > they knew how to build the kernels manually. True, but that's not even close to being the majority of FreeBSD users. Given that we promote 'make buildkernel' as the "proper" way of making a kernel, IMO we need to do what is necessary to make it easy for users to do that. And so it goes, Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 18:48:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB2C416A404; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:48:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from server.baldwin.cx (66-23-211-162.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.211.162]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52AFA13C459; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:48:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost.corp.yahoo.com (john@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l0MImDC6000665; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:48:13 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) From: John Baldwin To: Ken Smith Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:41:45 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200701171832.28368.dienst@marcrenearns.de> <200701221111.56264.jhb@freebsd.org> <1169489832.11889.64.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> In-Reply-To: <1169489832.11889.64.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200701221341.46518.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (server.baldwin.cx [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:48:13 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.3/2478/Mon Jan 22 12:07:10 2007 on server.baldwin.cx X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on server.baldwin.cx Cc: re@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, Murray Stokely , Ruslan Ermilov , doc@freebsd.org, Marc Ren? Arns Subject: Re: make buildkernel fails without complete source tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:48:24 -0000 On Monday 22 January 2007 13:17, Ken Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 11:11 -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > > On Sunday 21 January 2007 16:24, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 01:48:14PM -0800, Murray Stokely wrote: > > > > On 1/18/07, John Baldwin wrote: > > > > =================================================================== > > > > >- { " sys", "/usr/src/sys (FreeBSD kernel)", > > > > >+ { " sys", "/usr/src/sys (FreeBSD kernel; requires > > > > >'base' > > > > >to build)", > > > > > > > > I think this is a good solution. > > > > > > > I don't think this is a good idea as it's not actually required. > > > The sys/ part have traditionally been standalone. And if you're > > > not upgrading then "buildkernel" is just a convenience alias for > > > config/make method. Actually this method is always used except > > > that in the buildkernel case it will use an upgraded toolchain > > > if it was previously built by "buildworld". > > > > It is required for buildkernel as otherwise there's no Makefile in /usr/src > > with a buildkernel target. It's only not required if you do 'config, etc.' > > by hand, but 'make buildkernel' requires some sort of /usr/src/Makefile, > > obviously. :) > > I think that's what Ruslan meant by it having "traditionally been > standalone". By tradition someone who just extracted the sys stuff > wasn't expecting to do 'make buildkernel', they expected to do the > 'config, etc'. For example someone who wanted to build custom kernels > but had no intention of updating the machine using the source tree, and > they knew how to build the kernels manually. Yes, but the thread started because someone installed 'ssys' and tried to build it using 'buildkernel' because that's what the handbook mentions. In fact, the handbook doesn't even mention the old way anymore at all, so for new users ssys for all intents and purposes does depend on sbase. > The truth is the message should read "(FreeBSD kernel; requires 'base' > to build if you insist on using 'make buildkernel' in /usr/src to build > a kernel but if you know how to build a kernel 'manually' then 'base' is > not required)". But I don't think that fits in 80 columns... :-) If someone knows how to build it the old way, they probably know they can just install ssys, and installing sbase won't hurt them anyway, it's really small in terms of disk space. OTOH, someone who is new to FreeBSD might just pick the kernel sources and end up in the OP's situation by following the handbook. However, to counter that, if a new(er) user chooses the 'Kernel Developer' or 'X-Kernel Developer' from the dist menu, they will get sbase and ssys installed, so it's really when they go and dink with the src dists by hand that the get into trouble, so maybe we just leave it as it is. They asked for pain and they got pain. :) Alternatively, you could also add a note to the handbook near the kernel building instructions to note that if you wish to build a kernel from the src dists in sysinstall, you need to have both the 'ssys' and 'sbase' dists installed. That might actually be the best solution. It can even be one of those fancy Note: boxes via a tag. :) On another side note, the name "Kernel Developer" in the dist menu is probably confusing. Most new users probably don't consider themselves a "kernel developer", so probably don't go for that option. Shoot, there are people who probably don't consider themselves "developers" in that they don't churn out mountains of C/C++ code, but they need the kernel sources to compile custom kernels to tweak their boxes. > The message as proposed above also begs the question "So why have sys as > a separate thing if all you can do is look at it?. That's not true but > it is what the message suggests. Because some people may just want to look at it. :) You can also still build modules by hand by going to /sys/modules/foo without having sbase installed. (Similar to installing 'sbin' and going to /usr/src/bin/foo to build 'foo'). -- John Baldwin From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 18:48:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB2C416A404; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:48:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from server.baldwin.cx (66-23-211-162.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.211.162]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52AFA13C459; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:48:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost.corp.yahoo.com (john@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l0MImDC6000665; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:48:13 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) From: John Baldwin To: Ken Smith Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:41:45 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200701171832.28368.dienst@marcrenearns.de> <200701221111.56264.jhb@freebsd.org> <1169489832.11889.64.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> In-Reply-To: <1169489832.11889.64.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200701221341.46518.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (server.baldwin.cx [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:48:13 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.3/2478/Mon Jan 22 12:07:10 2007 on server.baldwin.cx X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on server.baldwin.cx Cc: re@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, Murray Stokely , Ruslan Ermilov , doc@freebsd.org, Marc Ren? Arns Subject: Re: make buildkernel fails without complete source tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:48:24 -0000 On Monday 22 January 2007 13:17, Ken Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 11:11 -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > > On Sunday 21 January 2007 16:24, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 01:48:14PM -0800, Murray Stokely wrote: > > > > On 1/18/07, John Baldwin wrote: > > > > =================================================================== > > > > >- { " sys", "/usr/src/sys (FreeBSD kernel)", > > > > >+ { " sys", "/usr/src/sys (FreeBSD kernel; requires > > > > >'base' > > > > >to build)", > > > > > > > > I think this is a good solution. > > > > > > > I don't think this is a good idea as it's not actually required. > > > The sys/ part have traditionally been standalone. And if you're > > > not upgrading then "buildkernel" is just a convenience alias for > > > config/make method. Actually this method is always used except > > > that in the buildkernel case it will use an upgraded toolchain > > > if it was previously built by "buildworld". > > > > It is required for buildkernel as otherwise there's no Makefile in /usr/src > > with a buildkernel target. It's only not required if you do 'config, etc.' > > by hand, but 'make buildkernel' requires some sort of /usr/src/Makefile, > > obviously. :) > > I think that's what Ruslan meant by it having "traditionally been > standalone". By tradition someone who just extracted the sys stuff > wasn't expecting to do 'make buildkernel', they expected to do the > 'config, etc'. For example someone who wanted to build custom kernels > but had no intention of updating the machine using the source tree, and > they knew how to build the kernels manually. Yes, but the thread started because someone installed 'ssys' and tried to build it using 'buildkernel' because that's what the handbook mentions. In fact, the handbook doesn't even mention the old way anymore at all, so for new users ssys for all intents and purposes does depend on sbase. > The truth is the message should read "(FreeBSD kernel; requires 'base' > to build if you insist on using 'make buildkernel' in /usr/src to build > a kernel but if you know how to build a kernel 'manually' then 'base' is > not required)". But I don't think that fits in 80 columns... :-) If someone knows how to build it the old way, they probably know they can just install ssys, and installing sbase won't hurt them anyway, it's really small in terms of disk space. OTOH, someone who is new to FreeBSD might just pick the kernel sources and end up in the OP's situation by following the handbook. However, to counter that, if a new(er) user chooses the 'Kernel Developer' or 'X-Kernel Developer' from the dist menu, they will get sbase and ssys installed, so it's really when they go and dink with the src dists by hand that the get into trouble, so maybe we just leave it as it is. They asked for pain and they got pain. :) Alternatively, you could also add a note to the handbook near the kernel building instructions to note that if you wish to build a kernel from the src dists in sysinstall, you need to have both the 'ssys' and 'sbase' dists installed. That might actually be the best solution. It can even be one of those fancy Note: boxes via a tag. :) On another side note, the name "Kernel Developer" in the dist menu is probably confusing. Most new users probably don't consider themselves a "kernel developer", so probably don't go for that option. Shoot, there are people who probably don't consider themselves "developers" in that they don't churn out mountains of C/C++ code, but they need the kernel sources to compile custom kernels to tweak their boxes. > The message as proposed above also begs the question "So why have sys as > a separate thing if all you can do is look at it?. That's not true but > it is what the message suggests. Because some people may just want to look at it. :) You can also still build modules by hand by going to /sys/modules/foo without having sbase installed. (Similar to installing 'sbin' and going to /usr/src/bin/foo to build 'foo'). -- John Baldwin From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 19:01:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E629316A401; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:01:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from opus.cse.buffalo.edu (opus.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A3413C4C5; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:01:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.cse.buffalo.edu [127.0.0.1]) by opus.cse.buffalo.edu (8.13.8/8.12.4) with ESMTP id l0MJ1cAp012970; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:01:38 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Smith To: Doug Barton In-Reply-To: <45B506A7.7060909@FreeBSD.org> References: <200701171832.28368.dienst@marcrenearns.de> <474078f80701181348q16ceb16bs40ba45b3d7057b83@mail.gmail.com> <20070121212428.GA47379@rambler-co.ru> <200701221111.56264.jhb@freebsd.org> <1169489832.11889.64.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> <45B506A7.7060909@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-255Sk9GV6LSacJklRQsc" Organization: U. Buffalo CSE Department Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:01:38 -0500 Message-Id: <1169492498.11889.74.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org, John Baldwin , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, Murray Stokely , Ruslan Ermilov , re@FreeBSD.org, Marc Ren? Arns Subject: Re: make buildkernel fails without complete source tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:01:41 -0000 --=-255Sk9GV6LSacJklRQsc Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 10:47 -0800, Doug Barton wrote: > Ken Smith wrote: >=20 > > I think that's what Ruslan meant by it having "traditionally been > > standalone". By tradition someone who just extracted the sys stuff > > wasn't expecting to do 'make buildkernel', they expected to do the > > 'config, etc'. For example someone who wanted to build custom kernels > > but had no intention of updating the machine using the source tree, and > > they knew how to build the kernels manually. >=20 > True, but that's not even close to being the majority of FreeBSD > users. Given that we promote 'make buildkernel' as the "proper" way of > making a kernel, IMO we need to do what is necessary to make it easy > for users to do that. >=20 True. I guess this is sort of where I was headed. IMHO we should either leave it as-is for the traditionalists or we should bite the bullet and stop providing a separate kernel source tree. As John pointed out in the message after this one life has moved on and now /usr/src is teeny compared to the size of disks. Is it worth the hassle/confusion to provide just kernel source any more? --=20 Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | --=-255Sk9GV6LSacJklRQsc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBFtQoS/G14VSmup/YRApuUAKCJRJBtv/jm47ghvEvD/Ffwr0aHfwCfcghk F4I5VtHnEDTYDrcBuJzpCFE= =tGnK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-255Sk9GV6LSacJklRQsc-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 19:01:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E629316A401; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:01:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from opus.cse.buffalo.edu (opus.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A3413C4C5; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:01:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.cse.buffalo.edu [127.0.0.1]) by opus.cse.buffalo.edu (8.13.8/8.12.4) with ESMTP id l0MJ1cAp012970; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:01:38 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Smith To: Doug Barton In-Reply-To: <45B506A7.7060909@FreeBSD.org> References: <200701171832.28368.dienst@marcrenearns.de> <474078f80701181348q16ceb16bs40ba45b3d7057b83@mail.gmail.com> <20070121212428.GA47379@rambler-co.ru> <200701221111.56264.jhb@freebsd.org> <1169489832.11889.64.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> <45B506A7.7060909@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-255Sk9GV6LSacJklRQsc" Organization: U. Buffalo CSE Department Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:01:38 -0500 Message-Id: <1169492498.11889.74.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org, John Baldwin , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, Murray Stokely , Ruslan Ermilov , re@FreeBSD.org, Marc Ren? Arns Subject: Re: make buildkernel fails without complete source tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:01:41 -0000 --=-255Sk9GV6LSacJklRQsc Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 10:47 -0800, Doug Barton wrote: > Ken Smith wrote: >=20 > > I think that's what Ruslan meant by it having "traditionally been > > standalone". By tradition someone who just extracted the sys stuff > > wasn't expecting to do 'make buildkernel', they expected to do the > > 'config, etc'. For example someone who wanted to build custom kernels > > but had no intention of updating the machine using the source tree, and > > they knew how to build the kernels manually. >=20 > True, but that's not even close to being the majority of FreeBSD > users. Given that we promote 'make buildkernel' as the "proper" way of > making a kernel, IMO we need to do what is necessary to make it easy > for users to do that. >=20 True. I guess this is sort of where I was headed. IMHO we should either leave it as-is for the traditionalists or we should bite the bullet and stop providing a separate kernel source tree. As John pointed out in the message after this one life has moved on and now /usr/src is teeny compared to the size of disks. Is it worth the hassle/confusion to provide just kernel source any more? --=20 Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | --=-255Sk9GV6LSacJklRQsc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBFtQoS/G14VSmup/YRApuUAKCJRJBtv/jm47ghvEvD/Ffwr0aHfwCfcghk F4I5VtHnEDTYDrcBuJzpCFE= =tGnK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-255Sk9GV6LSacJklRQsc-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 19:06:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4B2616A401; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:06:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from chipmunk.ai.net (axe.ai.net [205.134.161.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AEFE13C45E; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:06:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (ip70-177-190-239.dc.dc.cox.net [70.177.190.239]) by chipmunk.ai.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id l0MJ6mpx062096; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:06:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:06:35 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Ken Smith Message-Id: <20070122140635.25a3a6d3.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <1169492498.11889.74.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> References: <200701171832.28368.dienst@marcrenearns.de> <474078f80701181348q16ceb16bs40ba45b3d7057b83@mail.gmail.com> <20070121212428.GA47379@rambler-co.ru> <200701221111.56264.jhb@freebsd.org> <1169489832.11889.64.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> <45B506A7.7060909@FreeBSD.org> <1169492498.11889.74.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> Organization: The FreeBSD Project X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: dougb@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, jhb@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, murray.stokely@gmail.com, ru@FreeBSD.org, re@FreeBSD.org, dienst@marcrenearns.de Subject: Re: make buildkernel fails without complete source tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:06:45 -0000 On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:01:38 -0500 Ken Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 10:47 -0800, Doug Barton wrote: > > Ken Smith wrote: > > > > > I think that's what Ruslan meant by it having "traditionally been > > > standalone". By tradition someone who just extracted the sys stuff > > > wasn't expecting to do 'make buildkernel', they expected to do the > > > 'config, etc'. For example someone who wanted to build custom kernels > > > but had no intention of updating the machine using the source tree, and > > > they knew how to build the kernels manually. > > > > True, but that's not even close to being the majority of FreeBSD > > users. Given that we promote 'make buildkernel' as the "proper" way of > > making a kernel, IMO we need to do what is necessary to make it easy > > for users to do that. > > > > True. I guess this is sort of where I was headed. IMHO we should > either leave it as-is for the traditionalists or we should bite the > bullet and stop providing a separate kernel source tree. As John > pointed out in the message after this one life has moved on and > now /usr/src is teeny compared to the size of disks. Is it worth the > hassle/confusion to provide just kernel source any more? I've been thinking of this, perhaps drastic idea: Don't split the sources up anymore. I'm not sure there is a need to have just this part or that part. Just bundle it all together and ask the user if they want the sources. Perhaps this email is useless without a patch, which I could work on, but not this moment. -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 19:06:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4B2616A401; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:06:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from chipmunk.ai.net (axe.ai.net [205.134.161.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AEFE13C45E; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:06:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (ip70-177-190-239.dc.dc.cox.net [70.177.190.239]) by chipmunk.ai.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id l0MJ6mpx062096; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:06:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:06:35 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Ken Smith Message-Id: <20070122140635.25a3a6d3.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <1169492498.11889.74.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> References: <200701171832.28368.dienst@marcrenearns.de> <474078f80701181348q16ceb16bs40ba45b3d7057b83@mail.gmail.com> <20070121212428.GA47379@rambler-co.ru> <200701221111.56264.jhb@freebsd.org> <1169489832.11889.64.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> <45B506A7.7060909@FreeBSD.org> <1169492498.11889.74.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> Organization: The FreeBSD Project X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: dougb@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, jhb@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, murray.stokely@gmail.com, ru@FreeBSD.org, re@FreeBSD.org, dienst@marcrenearns.de Subject: Re: make buildkernel fails without complete source tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:06:45 -0000 On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:01:38 -0500 Ken Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 10:47 -0800, Doug Barton wrote: > > Ken Smith wrote: > > > > > I think that's what Ruslan meant by it having "traditionally been > > > standalone". By tradition someone who just extracted the sys stuff > > > wasn't expecting to do 'make buildkernel', they expected to do the > > > 'config, etc'. For example someone who wanted to build custom kernels > > > but had no intention of updating the machine using the source tree, and > > > they knew how to build the kernels manually. > > > > True, but that's not even close to being the majority of FreeBSD > > users. Given that we promote 'make buildkernel' as the "proper" way of > > making a kernel, IMO we need to do what is necessary to make it easy > > for users to do that. > > > > True. I guess this is sort of where I was headed. IMHO we should > either leave it as-is for the traditionalists or we should bite the > bullet and stop providing a separate kernel source tree. As John > pointed out in the message after this one life has moved on and > now /usr/src is teeny compared to the size of disks. Is it worth the > hassle/confusion to provide just kernel source any more? I've been thinking of this, perhaps drastic idea: Don't split the sources up anymore. I'm not sure there is a need to have just this part or that part. Just bundle it all together and ask the user if they want the sources. Perhaps this email is useless without a patch, which I could work on, but not this moment. -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 19:10:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DFB616A403; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:10:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ru@rambler-co.ru) Received: from relay0.rambler.ru (relay0.rambler.ru [81.19.66.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05B0813C4CE; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:10:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ru@rambler-co.ru) Received: from relay0.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay0.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E1DB5DD5; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:10:58 +0300 (MSK) Received: from edoofus.park.rambler.ru (unknown [81.19.65.108]) by relay0.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE94B5CF4; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:10:57 +0300 (MSK) Received: (from ru@localhost) by edoofus.park.rambler.ru (8.13.8/8.13.8) id l0MJ9wAv053058; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:09:58 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from ru) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:09:58 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Ken Smith Message-ID: <20070122190958.GA53027@rambler-co.ru> References: <200701171832.28368.dienst@marcrenearns.de> <474078f80701181348q16ceb16bs40ba45b3d7057b83@mail.gmail.com> <20070121212428.GA47379@rambler-co.ru> <200701221111.56264.jhb@freebsd.org> <1169489832.11889.64.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> <45B506A7.7060909@FreeBSD.org> <1169492498.11889.74.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1169492498.11889.74.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Virus-Scanned: No virus found Cc: Doug Barton , doc@FreeBSD.org, John Baldwin , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, Murray Stokely , re@FreeBSD.org, Marc Ren? Arns Subject: Re: make buildkernel fails without complete source tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:10:59 -0000 --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 02:01:38PM -0500, Ken Smith wrote: > True. I guess this is sort of where I was headed. IMHO we should > either leave it as-is for the traditionalists or we should bite the > bullet and stop providing a separate kernel source tree. As John > pointed out in the message after this one life has moved on and > now /usr/src is teeny compared to the size of disks. Is it worth the > hassle/confusion to provide just kernel source any more? >=20 Thinking of embedded world, it still makes a lot of sense. I think adding a note to Handbook would be a good solution. Cheers, --=20 Ruslan Ermilov ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFtQwGqRfpzJluFF4RAiLQAKCJWpoFnlr9KSyyX8k/dFwwTT4omgCgmMw8 m2UGLXqhOlfsbB/Rc1D+PmY= =T3k1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 19:10:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DFB616A403; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:10:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ru@rambler-co.ru) Received: from relay0.rambler.ru (relay0.rambler.ru [81.19.66.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05B0813C4CE; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:10:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ru@rambler-co.ru) Received: from relay0.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay0.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E1DB5DD5; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:10:58 +0300 (MSK) Received: from edoofus.park.rambler.ru (unknown [81.19.65.108]) by relay0.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE94B5CF4; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:10:57 +0300 (MSK) Received: (from ru@localhost) by edoofus.park.rambler.ru (8.13.8/8.13.8) id l0MJ9wAv053058; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:09:58 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from ru) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:09:58 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Ken Smith Message-ID: <20070122190958.GA53027@rambler-co.ru> References: <200701171832.28368.dienst@marcrenearns.de> <474078f80701181348q16ceb16bs40ba45b3d7057b83@mail.gmail.com> <20070121212428.GA47379@rambler-co.ru> <200701221111.56264.jhb@freebsd.org> <1169489832.11889.64.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> <45B506A7.7060909@FreeBSD.org> <1169492498.11889.74.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1169492498.11889.74.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Virus-Scanned: No virus found Cc: Doug Barton , doc@FreeBSD.org, John Baldwin , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, Murray Stokely , re@FreeBSD.org, Marc Ren? Arns Subject: Re: make buildkernel fails without complete source tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:10:59 -0000 --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 02:01:38PM -0500, Ken Smith wrote: > True. I guess this is sort of where I was headed. IMHO we should > either leave it as-is for the traditionalists or we should bite the > bullet and stop providing a separate kernel source tree. As John > pointed out in the message after this one life has moved on and > now /usr/src is teeny compared to the size of disks. Is it worth the > hassle/confusion to provide just kernel source any more? >=20 Thinking of embedded world, it still makes a lot of sense. I think adding a note to Handbook would be a good solution. Cheers, --=20 Ruslan Ermilov ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFtQwGqRfpzJluFF4RAiLQAKCJWpoFnlr9KSyyX8k/dFwwTT4omgCgmMw8 m2UGLXqhOlfsbB/Rc1D+PmY= =T3k1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 19:13:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5186816A40B for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:13:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail2.fluidhosting.com (mx21.fluidhosting.com [204.14.89.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 442BA13C4FD for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:13:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 2896 invoked by uid 399); 22 Jan 2007 18:47:11 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO ?192.168.0.5?) (dougb@dougbarton.us@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 Jan 2007 18:47:11 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 127.0.0.1 Message-ID: <45B506A7.7060909@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:47:03 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ken Smith References: <200701171832.28368.dienst@marcrenearns.de> <474078f80701181348q16ceb16bs40ba45b3d7057b83@mail.gmail.com> <20070121212428.GA47379@rambler-co.ru> <200701221111.56264.jhb@freebsd.org> <1169489832.11889.64.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> In-Reply-To: <1169489832.11889.64.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: re@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, Murray Stokely , Ruslan Ermilov , doc@freebsd.org, Marc Ren? Arns Subject: Re: make buildkernel fails without complete source tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:13:54 -0000 Ken Smith wrote: > I think that's what Ruslan meant by it having "traditionally been > standalone". By tradition someone who just extracted the sys stuff > wasn't expecting to do 'make buildkernel', they expected to do the > 'config, etc'. For example someone who wanted to build custom kernels > but had no intention of updating the machine using the source tree, and > they knew how to build the kernels manually. True, but that's not even close to being the majority of FreeBSD users. Given that we promote 'make buildkernel' as the "proper" way of making a kernel, IMO we need to do what is necessary to make it easy for users to do that. And so it goes, Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 19:13:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D22FE16A401; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:13:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ru@rambler-co.ru) Received: from relay0.rambler.ru (relay0.rambler.ru [81.19.66.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F5613C4C7; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:13:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ru@rambler-co.ru) Received: from relay0.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay0.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 955325DFD; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:13:55 +0300 (MSK) Received: from edoofus.park.rambler.ru (unknown [81.19.65.108]) by relay0.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7229B5D8C; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:13:55 +0300 (MSK) Received: (from ru@localhost) by edoofus.park.rambler.ru (8.13.8/8.13.8) id l0MJCuDJ053126; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:12:56 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from ru) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:12:56 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Tom Rhodes Message-ID: <20070122191256.GB53027@rambler-co.ru> References: <200701171832.28368.dienst@marcrenearns.de> <474078f80701181348q16ceb16bs40ba45b3d7057b83@mail.gmail.com> <20070121212428.GA47379@rambler-co.ru> <200701221111.56264.jhb@freebsd.org> <1169489832.11889.64.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> <45B506A7.7060909@FreeBSD.org> <1169492498.11889.74.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> <20070122140635.25a3a6d3.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qcHopEYAB45HaUaB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070122140635.25a3a6d3.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Virus-Scanned: No virus found Cc: dougb@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, jhb@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, murray.stokely@gmail.com, re@FreeBSD.org, Ken Smith , dienst@marcrenearns.de Subject: Re: make buildkernel fails without complete source tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:13:56 -0000 --qcHopEYAB45HaUaB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 02:06:35PM -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > I've been thinking of this, perhaps drastic idea: Don't split the > sources up anymore. I'm not sure there is a need to have just > this part or that part. Just bundle it all together and ask the > user if they want the sources. >=20 Not splitting sources into various distributions... I don't really care about that. What I do care however is for src/sys to stay indepedent of the rest of src/. Cheers, --=20 Ruslan Ermilov ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer --qcHopEYAB45HaUaB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFtQy4qRfpzJluFF4RAiqCAKCRvEkY3JLEjZCjc+cViFLGYcVMagCeOYY4 VIbdhpbxZBfSt66XBc9ov40= =jpO/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qcHopEYAB45HaUaB-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 19:13:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D22FE16A401; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:13:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ru@rambler-co.ru) Received: from relay0.rambler.ru (relay0.rambler.ru [81.19.66.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F5613C4C7; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:13:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ru@rambler-co.ru) Received: from relay0.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay0.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 955325DFD; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:13:55 +0300 (MSK) Received: from edoofus.park.rambler.ru (unknown [81.19.65.108]) by relay0.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7229B5D8C; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:13:55 +0300 (MSK) Received: (from ru@localhost) by edoofus.park.rambler.ru (8.13.8/8.13.8) id l0MJCuDJ053126; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:12:56 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from ru) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:12:56 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Tom Rhodes Message-ID: <20070122191256.GB53027@rambler-co.ru> References: <200701171832.28368.dienst@marcrenearns.de> <474078f80701181348q16ceb16bs40ba45b3d7057b83@mail.gmail.com> <20070121212428.GA47379@rambler-co.ru> <200701221111.56264.jhb@freebsd.org> <1169489832.11889.64.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> <45B506A7.7060909@FreeBSD.org> <1169492498.11889.74.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> <20070122140635.25a3a6d3.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qcHopEYAB45HaUaB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070122140635.25a3a6d3.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Virus-Scanned: No virus found Cc: dougb@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, jhb@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, murray.stokely@gmail.com, re@FreeBSD.org, Ken Smith , dienst@marcrenearns.de Subject: Re: make buildkernel fails without complete source tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:13:56 -0000 --qcHopEYAB45HaUaB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 02:06:35PM -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > I've been thinking of this, perhaps drastic idea: Don't split the > sources up anymore. I'm not sure there is a need to have just > this part or that part. Just bundle it all together and ask the > user if they want the sources. >=20 Not splitting sources into various distributions... I don't really care about that. What I do care however is for src/sys to stay indepedent of the rest of src/. Cheers, --=20 Ruslan Ermilov ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer --qcHopEYAB45HaUaB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFtQy4qRfpzJluFF4RAiqCAKCRvEkY3JLEjZCjc+cViFLGYcVMagCeOYY4 VIbdhpbxZBfSt66XBc9ov40= =jpO/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qcHopEYAB45HaUaB-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 19:28:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D6D16A400; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:28:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from chipmunk.ai.net (axe.ai.net [205.134.161.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC53513C4C3; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:28:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (ip70-177-190-239.dc.dc.cox.net [70.177.190.239]) by chipmunk.ai.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id l0MJSQjd074400; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:28:26 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:28:12 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Ruslan Ermilov Message-Id: <20070122142812.39209e60.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20070122190958.GA53027@rambler-co.ru> References: <200701171832.28368.dienst@marcrenearns.de> <474078f80701181348q16ceb16bs40ba45b3d7057b83@mail.gmail.com> <20070121212428.GA47379@rambler-co.ru> <200701221111.56264.jhb@freebsd.org> <1169489832.11889.64.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> <45B506A7.7060909@FreeBSD.org> <1169492498.11889.74.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> <20070122190958.GA53027@rambler-co.ru> Organization: The FreeBSD Project X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: dougb@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, jhb@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, murray.stokely@gmail.com, re@FreeBSD.org, kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU, dienst@marcrenearns.de Subject: Re: make buildkernel fails without complete source tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:28:21 -0000 On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:09:58 +0300 Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 02:01:38PM -0500, Ken Smith wrote: > > True. I guess this is sort of where I was headed. IMHO we should > > either leave it as-is for the traditionalists or we should bite the > > bullet and stop providing a separate kernel source tree. As John > > pointed out in the message after this one life has moved on and > > now /usr/src is teeny compared to the size of disks. Is it worth the > > hassle/confusion to provide just kernel source any more? > > > Thinking of embedded world, it still makes a lot of sense. > I think adding a note to Handbook would be a good solution. First, real men program in ABEL. I've been waiting to say that. :) Second, would embedded environments really want the sources on their device? Or would it make more sense to do the work on another machine? -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 19:28:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D6D16A400; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:28:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from chipmunk.ai.net (axe.ai.net [205.134.161.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC53513C4C3; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:28:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (ip70-177-190-239.dc.dc.cox.net [70.177.190.239]) by chipmunk.ai.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id l0MJSQjd074400; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:28:26 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:28:12 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Ruslan Ermilov Message-Id: <20070122142812.39209e60.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20070122190958.GA53027@rambler-co.ru> References: <200701171832.28368.dienst@marcrenearns.de> <474078f80701181348q16ceb16bs40ba45b3d7057b83@mail.gmail.com> <20070121212428.GA47379@rambler-co.ru> <200701221111.56264.jhb@freebsd.org> <1169489832.11889.64.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> <45B506A7.7060909@FreeBSD.org> <1169492498.11889.74.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> <20070122190958.GA53027@rambler-co.ru> Organization: The FreeBSD Project X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: dougb@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, jhb@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, murray.stokely@gmail.com, re@FreeBSD.org, kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU, dienst@marcrenearns.de Subject: Re: make buildkernel fails without complete source tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:28:21 -0000 On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:09:58 +0300 Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 02:01:38PM -0500, Ken Smith wrote: > > True. I guess this is sort of where I was headed. IMHO we should > > either leave it as-is for the traditionalists or we should bite the > > bullet and stop providing a separate kernel source tree. As John > > pointed out in the message after this one life has moved on and > > now /usr/src is teeny compared to the size of disks. Is it worth the > > hassle/confusion to provide just kernel source any more? > > > Thinking of embedded world, it still makes a lot of sense. > I think adding a note to Handbook would be a good solution. First, real men program in ABEL. I've been waiting to say that. :) Second, would embedded environments really want the sources on their device? Or would it make more sense to do the work on another machine? -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 19:58:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2778E16A480 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:58:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail2.fluidhosting.com (mx21.fluidhosting.com [204.14.89.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F79613C4C1 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:58:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 23901 invoked by uid 399); 22 Jan 2007 19:58:38 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO ?192.168.0.5?) (dougb@dougbarton.us@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 Jan 2007 19:58:38 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 127.0.0.1 Message-ID: <45B51769.60902@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:58:33 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ken Smith References: <200701171832.28368.dienst@marcrenearns.de> <474078f80701181348q16ceb16bs40ba45b3d7057b83@mail.gmail.com> <20070121212428.GA47379@rambler-co.ru> <200701221111.56264.jhb@freebsd.org> <1169489832.11889.64.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> <45B506A7.7060909@FreeBSD.org> <1169492498.11889.74.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> In-Reply-To: <1169492498.11889.74.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: re@FreeBSD.org, John Baldwin , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, Murray Stokely , Ruslan Ermilov , doc@FreeBSD.org, Marc Ren? Arns Subject: Re: make buildkernel fails without complete source tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:58:39 -0000 Ken Smith wrote: > IMHO we should > either leave it as-is for the traditionalists or we should bite the > bullet and stop providing a separate kernel source tree. As John > pointed out in the message after this one life has moved on and > now /usr/src is teeny compared to the size of disks. Is it worth the > hassle/confusion to provide just kernel source any more? I personally don't think so, but I didn't want to suggest anything so revolutionary. :) Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 19:58:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD29016A4AB for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:58:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail2.fluidhosting.com (mx21.fluidhosting.com [204.14.89.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C97C13C4BE for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:58:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 23901 invoked by uid 399); 22 Jan 2007 19:58:38 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO ?192.168.0.5?) (dougb@dougbarton.us@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 Jan 2007 19:58:38 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 127.0.0.1 Message-ID: <45B51769.60902@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:58:33 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ken Smith References: <200701171832.28368.dienst@marcrenearns.de> <474078f80701181348q16ceb16bs40ba45b3d7057b83@mail.gmail.com> <20070121212428.GA47379@rambler-co.ru> <200701221111.56264.jhb@freebsd.org> <1169489832.11889.64.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> <45B506A7.7060909@FreeBSD.org> <1169492498.11889.74.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> In-Reply-To: <1169492498.11889.74.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: re@FreeBSD.org, John Baldwin , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, Murray Stokely , Ruslan Ermilov , doc@FreeBSD.org, Marc Ren? Arns Subject: Re: make buildkernel fails without complete source tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:58:39 -0000 Ken Smith wrote: > IMHO we should > either leave it as-is for the traditionalists or we should bite the > bullet and stop providing a separate kernel source tree. As John > pointed out in the message after this one life has moved on and > now /usr/src is teeny compared to the size of disks. Is it worth the > hassle/confusion to provide just kernel source any more? I personally don't think so, but I didn't want to suggest anything so revolutionary. :) Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 23 05:12:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AAEA16A402 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 05:12:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from applecom@inbox.ru) Received: from mx27.mail.ru (mx27.mail.ru [194.67.23.64]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 299ED13C469 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 05:12:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from applecom@inbox.ru) Received: from [85.115.165.63] (port=41439 helo=xml.opera.com) by mx27.mail.ru with asmtp id 1H9DxN-0007VH-00; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:12:29 +0300 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:12:29 +0500 To: "John Baldwin" From: applecom@inbox.ru Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200701171832.28368.dienst@marcrenearns.de> <200701221111.56264.jhb@freebsd.org> <1169489832.11889.64.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> <200701221341.46518.jhb@freebsd.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200701221341.46518.jhb@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.10 (FreeBSD) Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make buildkernel fails without complete source tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 05:12:32 -0000 John Baldwin wrote: > Yes, but the thread started because someone installed 'ssys' and tried to > build it using 'buildkernel' because that's what the handbook mentions. > In > fact, the handbook doesn't even mention the old way anymore at all, so > for > new users ssys for all intents and purposes does depend on sbase. To my mind Handbook ('8.3 Building and Installing a Custom Kernel' and '21.4 Rebuilding "world"') should contain an appropriate paragraphs from /usr/src/UPDATING with head-note and comments. What do you/we need two variants of docs about system update for? Of course one have precedence of other but maybe better to have one (w/o and w/ comments)? Apropos if you/we care about clarity of Handbook, the title 'Rebuilding "world"' is not very clear especially for new users. (But on the other side maybe it makes reading not so dull?..) About easy commands for building and installing a kernel: i think that 'easy' kernel targets can be added to /usr/src/sys Makefile(s) and /usr/src Makefile(s) may refer to it. Handbook is conflicting with /usr/src/UPDATING now: Handbook: '21.4.14.5. How can I speed up making the world?' 'Pass the -jn option to make(1) to run multiple processes in parallel. This usually helps regardless of whether you have a single or a multi processor machine.' UPDATING: 'Avoid using make -j when upgrading. <..>' From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 23 11:07:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1585D16A401 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:07:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glyn.smith@vidicom.co.uk) Received: from mail.vidicom.co.uk (mail.vidicom.co.uk [212.159.81.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E522613C45E for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:07:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glyn.smith@vidicom.co.uk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.vidicom.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB9E29024 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:40:19 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at vidicom.co.uk Received: from mail.vidicom.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.vidicom.co.uk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SaRZT3AeHjSk for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:40:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from glynpc (unknown [192.168.0.13]) by mail.vidicom.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF7529000 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:40:18 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <007401c73edb$297127b0$0d00a8c0@glynpc> From: "Glyn Smith" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:40:18 +0000 (GMT) Cc: Subject: MoBillCash bill mobile phones direct for your content X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:07:09 -0000 Vidicom=92s MoBillCash the only billing platform for mobiles The mobile payment mechanism MoBillCash created by Vidicom has been = taken to another level and released as an easy to setup drag and drop = billing mechanism for webmasters of all abilities. Anyone can now sign up for MoBillCash at www.mobillcash.com and be = taking payments from mobile phones on their Websites in less than 10 = minutes. Once a user signs up for and activates their account they can then = create buttons and links which will have pre determined billing amounts = built into them specified by the account holder, the site will create = all of the script required for this button / link, the user then simply = cuts and pastes the script into their website, once a consumer clicks = this button and enters their mobile number they are billed the amount to = their mobile phone account, how much more simple could it be. A webmaster also has the opportunity to create a fully integrated system = which authenticates and posts back to the webmaster verification = details. All payments and statistics can be viewed in real time in the users = account. A more in depth presentation of the process can be found at this = location http://mobillcash.com/pres.swf =93please click on the slides to = continue.=94 Vidicom=92s Managing Director Glyn Smith says =93this type of billing = procedure has never been made available in this type of format, Mobile = Phone billing is just in its infancy and over the next 12 months it will = begin to rival payment mechanisms like Paypal and Nochex as the = preferred cashless billing process=94=20 Glyn Smith Managing Director Vidicom Limited www.vidicom.co.uk www.mobillcash.com=20 Tel: +44 (0)1246 453452 Fax: +44 (0) 8701202902 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 23 17:40:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3BC16A406 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:40:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [69.147.83.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8130113C455 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:40:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l0NHeOlB090123 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:40:24 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id l0NHeOQk090122; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:40:24 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:40:24 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200701231740.l0NHeOQk090122@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Micah Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8751216A402 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:37:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [69.147.83.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FDC813C4C3 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:37:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l0NHbMLJ020723 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:37:22 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id l0NHbMmM020720; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:37:22 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200701231737.l0NHbMmM020720@www.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:37:22 GMT From: Micah To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-3.0 Cc: Subject: docs/108270: Glossary of Kernel Options typo X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:40:24 -0000 >Number: 108270 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Glossary of Kernel Options typo >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Jan 23 17:40:24 GMT 2007 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Micah >Release: 6.2-release >Organization: >Environment: on web site >Description: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/kerneldebug-options.html Section titled options WITNESS_SKIPSIN is missing a "P" and should read options options WITNESS_SKIPSPIN Serious if someone is copy-and-pasting into their kernel config or didn't read the options WITNESS section or WITNESS man page. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Add "P" :) >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 23 17:52:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA29A16A404; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:52:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from blackend@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [69.147.83.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2ADD13C44B; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:52:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from blackend@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (blackend@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l0NHqipr090605; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:52:44 GMT (envelope-from blackend@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from blackend@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id l0NHqipA090601; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:52:44 GMT (envelope-from blackend) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:52:44 GMT From: Marc Fonvieille Message-Id: <200701231752.l0NHqipA090601@freefall.freebsd.org> To: micahjon@ywave.com, blackend@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/108270: Glossary of Kernel Options typo X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:52:44 -0000 Synopsis: Glossary of Kernel Options typo State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: blackend State-Changed-When: Tue Jan 23 17:52:24 UTC 2007 State-Changed-Why: Fixed. Thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=108270 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 23 18:00:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48FD916A401 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:00:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [69.147.83.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39B7213C441 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:00:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l0NI0eIK090932 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:00:40 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id l0NI0eam090928; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:00:40 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:00:40 GMT Message-Id: <200701231800.l0NI0eam090928@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: dfilter@FreeBSD.ORG (dfilter service) Cc: Subject: Re: docs/108270: commit references a PR X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: dfilter service List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:00:41 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/108270; it has been noted by GNATS. From: dfilter@FreeBSD.ORG (dfilter service) To: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/108270: commit references a PR Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:52:21 +0000 (UTC) blackend 2007-01-23 17:52:10 UTC FreeBSD doc repository Modified files: en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/kerneldebug chapter.sgml Log: Add a missing P in a kernel option PR: docs/108270 Submitted by: Micah Revision Changes Path 1.74 +1 -1 doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/kerneldebug/chapter.sgml _______________________________________________ cvs-all@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/cvs-all To unsubscribe, send any mail to "cvs-all-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 23 19:38:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD9E716A402 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:38:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kstewart@owt.com) Received: from smtp.owt.com (smtp.owt.com [204.118.6.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF69C13C4D0 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:38:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kstewart@owt.com) Received: from topaz-out (owt-207-41-94-233.owt.com [207.41.94.233]) by smtp.owt.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l0NJQKWo030781 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:26:21 -0800 From: Kent Stewart To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:26:44 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200701231126.44173.kstewart@owt.com> Subject: Make en_docs failing X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:38:03 -0000 I am getting this message when I do a make of docs. ===> en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook (all) /usr/bin/sed -e 's,<\([^ >]*\)\([^>]*\)/>,<\1\2>,;s,,,' < mirrors.sgml.cvsup.inc.tmp > mirrors.sgml.cvsup.inc || (/bin/rm -f mirrors.sgml.cvsup.inc && false) env SGML_CATALOG_FILES= XML_CATALOG_FILES="file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/catalog-cwd.xml file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/doc/share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/doc/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml file:///usr/www/./share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/www/share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/www/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml file:///usr/local/share/xml/catalog" /usr/local/bin/xsltproc --nonet -o eresources.sgml.www.inc.tmp --param 'type' "'www'" --param 'proto' "'http'" --param 'target' "'handbook/eresources/chapter.sgml'" --param transtable.xml "'/usr/doc/share/sgml/transtable.xml'" /usr/doc/share/sgml/mirrors-local.xsl /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml runtime error: file /usr/doc/share/sgml/mirrors-master.xsl line 97 element choose Variable 'mirrors-docbook-country-index-without-period' has not been declared. *** Error code 10 It has been doing this for around a week and I figured the automated system would catch it and it would quickly go away but it hasn't. I have also done a make clean in /usr/doc and that didn't help. If you haven't done a make clean, it dies with a slightly different message in the install. Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://www.soyandina.com/ "I am Andean project". http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 24 04:25:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F5616A401 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 04:25:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from John.Marshall@riverwillow.com.au) Received: from mail2.riverwillow.net.au (ns2.riverwillow.net.au [203.58.93.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DA5E13C428 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 04:25:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from John.Marshall@riverwillow.com.au) Received: from rwmail.mby.riverwillow.net.au (rwsrv06.rw2.riverwillow.net.au [172.25.25.16]) by mail2.riverwillow.net.au (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l0O4FhvH009259 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 15:15:43 +1100 (AEDT) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 15:15:43 +1100 Message-ID: <9F7B653A50CF3D45A92C05401046239B0E0E3C@rwsrv06.rw2.riverwillow.net.au> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: docs/108030: ERROR make doc (6.2-STABLE) thread-index: Acc/blBmOX2uH+RGSQaWIUxbzxntcQ== From: "John Marshall" To: Subject: docs/108030: ERROR make doc (6.2-STABLE) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 04:25:52 -0000 Me too... I also notice the following posts seem to describe the same problem: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-doc/2007-January/011955.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-doc/2007-January/011990.html I do regular (but not always daily) cvsup's and builds of the doc tree (English only). - My last successful build was 12-Jan-2007 08:19 - My 6.2-RELEASE (cvsup'd source) Upgrade (from 6.2-RC2) was later the same day. - All docproj-nojadetex ports are up to date. - Everything preceding the handbook builds fine FreeBSD rwsrv05.mby.riverwillow.net.au 6.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Jan 12 16:20:27 AEDT 2007=20 root@rwsrv05.mby.riverwillow.net.au:/backup/obj/usr/src/sys/RWSRV05 i386 rwsrv05# cd /usr/doc rwsrv05# make clean rwsrv05# make DOCDIR=3D/data/webs/docs/freebsd FORMATS=3Dhtml-split = install clean (all appears well until...) env SGML_CATALOG_FILES=3D XML_CATALOG_FILES=3D"file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/catal= o g-cwd.xml file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/doc/share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/doc/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml file:///usr/www/./share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/www/share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/www/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml file:///usr/local/share/xml/catalog" /usr/local/bin/xsltproc --nonet -o mirrors.sgml.ftp.inc.tmp --param 'type' "'ftp'" --param 'proto' "'ftp'" --param 'target' "'handbook/mirrors/chapter.sgml'" --param transtable.xml "'/usr/doc/share/sgml/transtable.xml'" /usr/doc/share/sgml/mirrors-local.xsl /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml runtime error: file /usr/doc/share/sgml/mirrors-master.xsl line 97 element choose Variable 'mirrors-docbook-country-index-without-period' has not been declared. *** Error code 10 Stop in /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/doc. --- John Marshall, Sydney, Australia. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 24 06:05:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C93516A402 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 06:05:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhay@meraka.csir.co.za) Received: from zibbi.meraka.csir.co.za (zibbi.meraka.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1225D13C428 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 06:05:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhay@meraka.csir.co.za) Received: by zibbi.meraka.csir.co.za (Postfix, from userid 3973) id B8EA233CAE; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:40:40 +0200 (SAST) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:40:40 +0200 From: John Hay To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070124054040.GA68767@zibbi.meraka.csir.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: doc part of releases broken X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 06:05:32 -0000 Hi, I machines that build daily release snapshots of -current and 6-stable. For the last week or so they all break when building the handbook. The breakage looks like this: ===> en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook (all) ... env -i /usr/bin/grep "^ /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.sort echo "" >> /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.sort env -i /usr/bin/awk '/@sortkey@/ {sub(/@sortkey@/, ++line); print;}' < /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.sort.tmp >> /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.sort echo '' >> /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.sort env SGML_CATALOG_FILES= XML_CATALOG_FILES="file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/catalog-cwd.xml file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/doc/share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/doc/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml file:///usr/www/./share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/www/share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/www/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml file:///usr/local/share/xml/catalog" /usr/local/bin/xsltproc --nonet -o /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml --param 'transtable.xml' "'/usr/doc/share/sgml/transtable.xml'" --param 'transtable-target-element' "'country'" --param 'transtable-word-group' "'country'" --param 'transtable-sortkey.xml' "'/usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.sort'" /usr/doc/share/sgml/transtable-local.xsl /usr/doc/share/sgml/mirrors.xml /bin/rm -f /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.sort /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.sort.tmp echo '' > /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/autogen.ent env SGML_CATALOG_FILES= XML_CATALOG_FILES="file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/catalog-cwd.xml file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/doc/share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/doc/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml file:///usr/www/./share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/www/share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/www/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml file:///usr/local/share/xml/catalog" /usr/local/bin/xsltproc --nonet -o mirrors.sgml.ftp.inc.tmp --param 'type' "'ftp'" --param 'proto' "'ftp'" --param 'target' "'handbook/mirrors/chapter.sgml'" --param transtable.xml "'/usr/doc/share/sgml/transtable.xml'" /usr/doc/share/sgml/mirrors-local.xsl /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml runtime error: file /usr/doc/share/sgml/mirrors-master.xsl line 97 element choose Variable 'mirrors-docbook-country-index-without-period' has not been declared. *** Error code 10 Stop in /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/doc. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/release. + umount /dev *** Error code 1 Stop in /home/src/release. John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@meraka.csir.co.za / jhay@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 24 18:25:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AEF716A400 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:25:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from krinklyfig@speakeasy.net) Received: from mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D5F713C457 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:25:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from krinklyfig@speakeasy.net) Received: (qmail 14807 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2007 17:58:46 -0000 Received: from 209-188-117-232.taosnet.com (HELO smogmonster.local) (krinklyfig@[209.188.117.232]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 24 Jan 2007 17:58:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:58:45 -0700 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070124175845.GA8401@smogmonster.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: mutt-ng/devel-r804 (FreeBSD) Subject: doc build error: mirrors-docbook-country-index-without-period variable not declared X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: krinklyfig@speakeasy.net List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:25:26 -0000 This has been posted before, and there has been at least one PR filed, but thought I'd add that this problem is ongoing and affects me as well. The error is pretty much the same as everyone else, from my last build attempt: echo '' > /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/autogen.ent env SGML_CATALOG_FILES= XML_CATALOG_FILES="file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/catalog-cwd.xml file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/doc/share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/doc/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml file:///usr/www/./share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/www/share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/www/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml file:///usr/local/share/xml/catalog" /usr/local/bin/xsltproc --nonet -o mirrors.sgml.ftp.inc.tmp --param 'type' "'ftp'" --param 'proto' "'ftp'" --param 'target' "'handbook/mirrors/chapter.sgml'" --param transtable.xml "'/usr/doc/share/sgml/transtable.xml'" /usr/doc/share/sgml/mirrors-local.xsl /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml runtime error: file /usr/doc/share/sgml/mirrors-master.xsl line 97 element choose Variable 'mirrors-docbook-country-index-without-period' has not been declared. *** Error code 10 Stop in /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/doc. - jt From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 24 22:19:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E510716A403 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:19:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thompsa@freebsd.org) Received: from heff.fud.org.nz (203-109-251-39.static.bliink.ihug.co.nz [203.109.251.39]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B7C513C442 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:19:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thompsa@freebsd.org) Received: by heff.fud.org.nz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 679A01CC51; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:18:59 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:18:59 +1300 From: Andrew Thompson To: Tom Message-ID: <20070124221859.GA53602@heff.fud.org.nz> References: <20070117013943.GD12548@heff.fud.org.nz> <861wloanag.fsf@lc.rock> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <861wloanag.fsf@lc.rock> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bridging X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:19:02 -0000 On Sun, Jan 21, 2007 at 02:47:51PM +0800, Tom wrote: > Hi, I would like to help Great, thanks. I think the following topics need descriptions added to them to describe what they are and what scenario it would be typically used in. High Traffic on a Segment Using a bridge as a bridge, i.e to cut down broadcasts. The handbook already has this. Filtering/Traffic Shaping Firewall Using a bridge to packet filter traffic and queueing with altq or dummynet Layer2 VPN Hooking a bridge up with EtherIP to tunnel layer 2 packets Layer2 Redundancy What spanning tree is and why you would use it. Rave the merits of RSTP which is so much faster Virtual Machines Hooking up tap interfaces from VMs such as qemu or vmware to the hosts Ethernet adapter. the autobridge functions in rc.d can do this automatically. and so on... Next will be to add the commands used to set up each scenario, I can do this. cheers, Andrew From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 25 07:31:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63A9A16A405 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 07:31:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rhyous@yahoo.com) Received: from web52103.mail.yahoo.com (web52103.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.106]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0286413C459 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 07:31:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rhyous@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 95413 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2007 07:05:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=fvL5xKjkthuI6WBfibajt/IENhSCESgQI9Jse6RIxEe2xk8sPHZPvt8yN0+vXA8f4gdImJ6vpwm+RRKwbnimVizCkAYx863WuTt4j8QK4EM+NFDjRqtwk6I1vXzJoGNRCaY9AFhY72pZHYXQbP4gy6o28ZhBmEXvI1KWtS0W4p8=; X-YMail-OSG: qNMrjisVM1nnJ8stT34SyxrM_Qu.oMGeLWU5reWyMEmxxQM9F.G54hz.CJnznlpqyg-- Received: from [71.199.6.76] by web52103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:05:13 PST Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:05:13 -0800 (PST) From: BSD Certification Team To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <140400.93635.qm@web52103.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:27:41 +0000 Cc: Subject: man sysinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 07:31:54 -0000 Hello all, The man page for sysinstall is pretty out of date. I am trying to PXE boot to an unattended install. I figured out that I needed to add dists=base kernels GENERIC even though kernels and GENERIC are not in the list in the man page. Is there anyone in charge of updating this information? I have never submitted an update. Also the sample at /usr/src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/install.cfg is no longer up to date and does not work with 6.2-Release. Does anyone have a better up-to-date sample that could be used? Thanks, Jared ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 25 15:21:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A14A16A403 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:21:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc3-cdif2-0-0-cust64.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.106.128.65]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7DF113C459 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:21:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from ceri by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HA5zz-0009LF-Jz; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:54:47 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:54:47 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: BSD Certification Team Message-ID: <20070125145447.GA75689@submonkey.net> References: <140400.93635.qm@web52103.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <140400.93635.qm@web52103.mail.yahoo.com> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Sender: Ceri Davies Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: man sysinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:21:42 -0000 --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 11:05:13PM -0800, BSD Certification Team wrote: > Hello all, >=20 > The man page for sysinstall is pretty out of date. I > am trying to PXE boot to an unattended install. >=20 > I figured out that I needed to add dists=3Dbase kernels > GENERIC even though kernels and GENERIC are not in the > list in the man page. >=20 > Is there anyone in charge of updating this > information? I have never submitted an update. I guess that's me. Could you please raise a PR and send me the number? Ceri --=20 That must be wonderful! I don't understand it at all. -- Moliere --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFuMS3ocfcwTS3JF8RAruQAJ90zrmCAQ35w2HH68MWACEb/LdhUQCbB7eA dyFWRr1nrUqIFmNRaincsGs= =9vyw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 25 17:40:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B04B16A585 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:40:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [69.147.83.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A09E813C4D0 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:40:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l0PHeM4J079571 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:40:22 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id l0PHeMmL079570; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:40:22 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:40:22 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200701251740.l0PHeMmL079570@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Anton Yuzhaninov Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92B1F16A402 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:39:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from citrin@mf1.rambler.ru) Received: from mf1.rambler.ru (mf1.rambler.ru [81.19.66.146]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20FD813C45A for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:39:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from citrin@mf1.rambler.ru) Received: from mf1.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mf1.rambler.ru (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l0PHQtZn032733 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:26:55 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from citrin@mf1.rambler.ru) Received: (from citrin@localhost) by mf1.rambler.ru (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l0PHQtMF032732; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:26:55 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from citrin) Message-Id: <200701251726.l0PHQtMF032732@mf1.rambler.ru> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:26:55 +0300 (MSK) From: Anton Yuzhaninov To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Cc: Subject: docs/108346: tmpnam(3) should note that that TMPDIR env may be ignored X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Anton Yuzhaninov List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:40:23 -0000 >Number: 108346 >Category: docs >Synopsis: tmpnam(3) should note that that TMPDIR env may be ignored >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Jan 25 17:40:21 GMT 2007 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Anton Yuzhaninov >Release: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE amd64 >Organization: Rambler >Environment: >Description: tmpnam(3) should note that that tmpfile() ignore TMPDIR environment variable if issetugid(3) return non zero. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Anything like this: --- lib/libc/stdio/tmpnam.3.orig Thu Jan 25 20:02:50 2007 +++ lib/libc/stdio/tmpnam.3 Thu Jan 25 20:19:59 2007 @@ -156,6 +156,16 @@ .Dv NULL pointer on error. +.Sh ENVIRONMENT +The +.Fn tmpfile +ignores the +.Ev TMPDIR +environment variable if process created as a result of an +.Xr execve 2 +system call which had either of the setuid or setgid bits set (and extra +privileges were given as a result) or if it has changed any of its real, +effective or saved user or group ID's since it began execution. .Sh COMPATIBILITY These interfaces are provided from System V and .Tn ANSI @@ -228,7 +238,8 @@ the FSA.) .Sh SEE ALSO .Xr mkstemp 3 , -.Xr mktemp 3 +.Xr mktemp 3 , +.Xr issetugid 2 .Rs .%T "The FreeBSD Security Architecture" .Re >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 25 18:10:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D0416A402 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:10:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [69.147.83.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B41A13C4A5 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:10:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l0PIAHkC081173 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:10:17 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id l0PIAGId081172; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:10:16 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:10:16 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200701251810.l0PIAGId081172@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, "Pawel S." Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E5316A402 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:01:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [69.147.83.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4C6913C4BA for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:01:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l0PI1TIi053062 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:01:29 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id l0PI1TTp053061; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:01:29 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200701251801.l0PI1TTp053061@www.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:01:29 GMT From: "Pawel S." To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-3.0 Cc: Subject: docs/108347: not mentioned burncd wav support X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:10:17 -0000 >Number: 108347 >Category: docs >Synopsis: not mentioned burncd wav support >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Jan 25 18:10:16 GMT 2007 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Pawel S. >Release: 6.1 RELEASE >Organization: >Environment: FreeBSD Sabat2.localdomain 6.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE #0: Sun May 7 04:32:43 UTC 2006 root@opus.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 >Description: In chapter 7.3 of The Handbook there is written: "You have to use raw PCM with burncd(8).", which is not true. In 2002/11/21 sos reported a patch for burncd to enable handling of wav files. I'm wondering, why it's not mentioned in cvs log? >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Update the Handbook :-) and remember about checking and updating cvs log. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 25 19:36:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 930EA16A401; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:36:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [69.147.83.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 294A013C43E; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:36:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (remko@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l0PJatbU087188; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:36:55 GMT (envelope-from remko@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from remko@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id l0PJaswF087184; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:36:55 GMT (envelope-from remko) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:36:55 GMT From: Remko Lodder Message-Id: <200701251936.l0PJaswF087184@freefall.freebsd.org> To: psandgim1@o2.pl, remko@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/108347: not mentioned burncd wav support X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:36:55 -0000 Synopsis: not mentioned burncd wav support State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: remko State-Changed-When: Thu Jan 25 19:36:54 UTC 2007 State-Changed-Why: I believe that PCM is a format of the WAV files, and that you should thus use RAW WAV files (or RAW PCM), I could however not find any reference to the patch you are talking about in the burncd application itself, if you use audio it uses the raw format (see the manual page for that). Apart from that we cannot update the cvs log. Please inform me if I was wrong. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=108347 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 26 00:28:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF6516A401 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 00:28:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from chipmunk.ai.net (axe.ai.net [205.134.161.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B5313C441 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 00:28:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mobile.pittgoth.com (net-ix.gw.ai.net [205.134.160.6]) by chipmunk.ai.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id l0Q0SxYG016071; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:28:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:28:39 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Ceri Davies Message-Id: <20070125192839.00de0364.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20070125145447.GA75689@submonkey.net> References: <140400.93635.qm@web52103.mail.yahoo.com> <20070125145447.GA75689@submonkey.net> Organization: The FreeBSD Project X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, rhyous@yahoo.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: man sysinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 00:28:52 -0000 On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:54:47 +0000 Ceri Davies wrote: > On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 11:05:13PM -0800, BSD Certification Team wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > The man page for sysinstall is pretty out of date. I > > am trying to PXE boot to an unattended install. > > > > I figured out that I needed to add dists=base kernels > > GENERIC even though kernels and GENERIC are not in the > > list in the man page. > > > > Is there anyone in charge of updating this > > information? I have never submitted an update. > > I guess that's me. Could you please raise a PR and send me the number? I tried with almost every version of 5.X to get an unattended install working. Never worked. It seems as if sysinstall was looking only for a USB floppy drive. Originally I started looking over the code to send in a PR and perhaps a patch, but became busy with other things. -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 26 04:07:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6980616A411; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 04:07:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from mrout1-b.corp.dcn.yahoo.com (mrout1-b.corp.dcn.yahoo.com [216.109.112.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A057813C4D1; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 04:07:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from macparanoid.singapore.corp.yahoo.com.neville-neil.com (proxy8.corp.yahoo.com [216.145.48.13]) by mrout1-b.corp.dcn.yahoo.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/y.out) with ESMTP id l0Q3vJ9S082951; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:57:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:57:16 +0800 Message-ID: From: gnn@freebsd.org To: ports@freebsd.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.8 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Shij=F2?=) APEL/10.6 Emacs/22.0.92 (i386-apple-darwin8.8.2) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Please document that ruby is required for the plist script X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 04:07:39 -0000 Howdy, On this page: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/plist-autoplist.html the plist script is mentioned as a way to get the plist for a port built somewhat automatically. What the page does not mention is that the script in question, /usr/ports/Tools/scripts/plist, requires ruby. Best, George From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 26 09:16:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8361816A404 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:16:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from applecom@inbox.ru) Received: from mx4.mail.ru (fallback.mail.ru [194.67.57.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 070B113C46C for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:16:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from applecom@inbox.ru) Received: from mx33.mail.ru (mx33.mail.ru [194.67.23.194]) by mx4.mail.ru (mPOP.Fallback_MX) with ESMTP id 7692313A9D4 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 06:01:09 +0300 (MSK) Received: from [85.115.165.63] (port=5058 helo=xml.opera.com) by mx33.mail.ru with asmtp id 1H86Tc-000NxG-00 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 06:01:08 +0300 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 08:01:06 +0500 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org From: applecom@inbox.ru Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.10 (FreeBSD) Subject: handbook install error X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:16:25 -0000 I get an error during current handbook installation (FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE,= = docproj-nojadetex-1.17): '=3D=3D=3D> en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook (install) /bin/mkdir -p /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml env SGML_CATALOG_FILES=3D = XML_CATALOG_FILES=3D"file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books /handbook/catalog-cwd.xml = file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog.xm l file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog.xml = file:///usr/doc/share /sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/doc/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml = file:///usr/ww w/./share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/www/share/sgml/catalog.xml = file:///usr/ www/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml file:///usr/local/share/xml/catalog" = = /usr/loc al/bin/xsltproc --nonet --param 'transtable.xml' = "'/usr/doc/share/sgml/transtab le.xml'" --param 'transtable-target-element' "'country'" --param = 'transtable-w ord-group' "'country'" --param 'transtable-mode' "'sortkey'" = /usr/doc/share/sg ml/transtable-local.xsl /usr/doc/share/sgml/mirrors.xml | env -i = LANG=3D"en_US.IS O8859-1" /usr/bin/sort -f > = /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.sort .tmp env -i /usr/bin/grep "^ /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.sort echo "" >> /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.sor= t env -i /usr/bin/awk '/@sortkey@/ {sub(/@sortkey@/, ++line); print;}' < = /usr/doc/ en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.sort.tmp >> = /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/shar e/sgml/mirrors.xml.sort echo '' >> /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.so= rt env SGML_CATALOG_FILES=3D = XML_CATALOG_FILES=3D"file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books /handbook/catalog-cwd.xml = file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog.xm l file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog.xml = file:///usr/doc/share /sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/doc/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml = file:///usr/ww w/./share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/www/share/sgml/catalog.xml = file:///usr/ www/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml file:///usr/local/share/xml/catalog" = = /usr/loc al/bin/xsltproc --nonet -o = /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml --pa ram 'transtable.xml' "'/usr/doc/share/sgml/transtable.xml'" --param = 'transtable -target-element' "'country'" --param 'transtable-word-group' "'country'= " = --par am 'transtable-sortkey.xml' = "'/usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.so rt'" /usr/doc/share/sgml/transtable-local.xsl = /usr/doc/share/sgml/mirrors.xml /bin/rm -f /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.sort = /usr/doc/en_US.I SO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.sort.tmp echo '' > = /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/au togen.ent env SGML_CATALOG_FILES=3D = XML_CATALOG_FILES=3D"file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books /handbook/catalog-cwd.xml = file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog.xm l file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog.xml = file:///usr/doc/share /sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/doc/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml = file:///usr/ww w/./share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/www/share/sgml/catalog.xml = file:///usr/ www/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml file:///usr/local/share/xml/catalog" = = /usr/loc al/bin/xsltproc --nonet -o mirrors.sgml.ftp.inc.tmp --param 'type' = "'ftp'" --p aram 'proto' "'ftp'" --param 'target' "'handbook/mirrors/chapter.sgml'"= = --para m transtable.xml "'/usr/doc/share/sgml/transtable.xml'" = /usr/doc/share/sgml/mir rors-local.xsl /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml runtime error: file /usr/doc/share/sgml/mirrors-master.xsl line 97 eleme= nt = choos e Variable 'mirrors-docbook-country-index-without-period' has not been = declared. *** Error code 10 Stop in /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/doc.' I had this error a few times after cvsup'ing. It's most likely my system= = problem but I don't know what. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 26 09:27:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2DED16A404; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:27:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc3-cdif2-0-0-cust64.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.106.128.65]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582E413C484; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:27:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from ceri by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HANNE-0005cs-VJ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:27:56 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:27:56 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Tom Rhodes Message-ID: <20070126092756.GJ42746@submonkey.net> References: <140400.93635.qm@web52103.mail.yahoo.com> <20070125145447.GA75689@submonkey.net> <20070125192839.00de0364.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="z9ECzHErBrwFF8sy" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070125192839.00de0364.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Sender: Ceri Davies Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, rhyous@yahoo.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: man sysinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:27:59 -0000 --z9ECzHErBrwFF8sy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 07:28:39PM -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:54:47 +0000 > Ceri Davies wrote: >=20 > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 11:05:13PM -0800, BSD Certification Team wrote: > > > Hello all, > > >=20 > > > The man page for sysinstall is pretty out of date. I > > > am trying to PXE boot to an unattended install. > > >=20 > > > I figured out that I needed to add dists=3Dbase kernels > > > GENERIC even though kernels and GENERIC are not in the > > > list in the man page. > > >=20 > > > Is there anyone in charge of updating this > > > information? I have never submitted an update. > >=20 > > I guess that's me. Could you please raise a PR and send me the number? >=20 > I tried with almost every version of 5.X to get an unattended > install working. Never worked. It seems as if sysinstall > was looking only for a USB floppy drive. Originally I started > looking over the code to send in a PR and perhaps a patch, > but became busy with other things. I can't speak for 5.x because I didn't really run it, but this worked for 6.x a year ago: http://typo.submonkey.net/articles/2006/02/12/ The OP's note about adding the kernels line is definitely needed and I'll fix that (though I would really love a PR for it), but for anything else, you have to send hardware (a laptop or Soekris, I'm not fussy!) :) Ceri --=20 That must be wonderful! I don't understand it at all. -- Moliere --z9ECzHErBrwFF8sy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFucmcocfcwTS3JF8RAhSFAJ9/kckRulSgKrYCS3PJLdnz0TPcawCeNu7y Qp/F1GDWsglnAiG5mqO02jg= =Xwum -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --z9ECzHErBrwFF8sy-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 26 09:40:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDBA516A400; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:40:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc3-cdif2-0-0-cust64.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.106.128.65]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03C913C46C; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:40:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from ceri by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HANZh-000IMy-OR; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:40:49 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:40:49 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: BSD Certification Team Message-ID: <20070126094049.GA57942@submonkey.net> References: <140400.93635.qm@web52103.mail.yahoo.com> <20070125145447.GA75689@submonkey.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070125145447.GA75689@submonkey.net> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Sender: Ceri Davies Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: man sysinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:40:56 -0000 --HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 02:54:47PM +0000, Ceri Davies wrote: > On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 11:05:13PM -0800, BSD Certification Team wrote: > > Hello all, > >=20 > > The man page for sysinstall is pretty out of date. I > > am trying to PXE boot to an unattended install. > >=20 > > I figured out that I needed to add dists=3Dbase kernels > > GENERIC even though kernels and GENERIC are not in the > > list in the man page. > >=20 > > Is there anyone in charge of updating this > > information? I have never submitted an update. >=20 > I guess that's me. Could you please raise a PR and send me the number? Actually, could you also (or just) send me your working install.cfg; I'm not in a position to text PXE at the moment and it will help me doublecheck that I'm doing it right. Thanks, Ceri --=20 That must be wonderful! I don't understand it at all. -- Moliere --HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFucyhocfcwTS3JF8RAhc/AKCuWZrq2zWyDqCJid5aZVtI2NiiJwCfVc7w 8T9yz35fPp/RWjN1/kXkIhw= =cANF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 26 10:33:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EFFF16A400 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 10:33:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from delphij@delphij.net) Received: from tarsier.geekcn.org (tarsier.geekcn.org [210.51.165.229]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5946713C487 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 10:33:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from delphij@delphij.net) Received: from localhost (tarsier.geekcn.org [210.51.165.229]) by tarsier.geekcn.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C04EB3788; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:33:48 +0800 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at geekcn.org Received: from tarsier.geekcn.org ([210.51.165.229]) by localhost (mail.geekcn.org [210.51.165.229]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RjjJC7fydI9h; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:33:37 +0800 (CST) Received: from [10.217.12.122] (sina152-194.staff.sina.com.cn [61.135.152.194]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by tarsier.geekcn.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98FA0EB362B; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:33:36 +0800 (CST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=default; d=delphij.net; c=nofws; q=dns; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc: subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type; b=m43TItYgCs2xfbRvieLyDSIk5VhUcRpy01BXfP6r0vOJlvgMeNhQ/KRquYYnsDuAO bmft6QyBYWkBSgboDg9WA== Message-ID: <45B9D8FC.1010300@delphij.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:33:32 +0800 From: LI Xin Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: applecom@inbox.ru References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-ripemd160; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig121D92D6E4CDF51DD857BF49" Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: handbook install error X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 10:33:57 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig121D92D6E4CDF51DD857BF49 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable applecom@inbox.ru wrote: > I get an error during current handbook installation (FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE= , > docproj-nojadetex-1.17): >=20 > '=3D=3D=3D> en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook (install) > /bin/mkdir -p /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml > env SGML_CATALOG_FILES=3D > XML_CATALOG_FILES=3D"file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books > /handbook/catalog-cwd.xml=20 > file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog.xm > l file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog.xml=20 > file:///usr/doc/share > /sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/doc/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml=20 > file:///usr/ww > w/./share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/www/share/sgml/catalog.xml=20 > file:///usr/ > www/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml file:///usr/local/share/xml/catalog"= > /usr/loc > al/bin/xsltproc --nonet --param 'transtable.xml' > "'/usr/doc/share/sgml/transtab > le.xml'" --param 'transtable-target-element' "'country'" --param > 'transtable-w > ord-group' "'country'" --param 'transtable-mode' "'sortkey'"=20 > /usr/doc/share/sg > ml/transtable-local.xsl /usr/doc/share/sgml/mirrors.xml | env -i > LANG=3D"en_US.IS > O8859-1" /usr/bin/sort -f > > /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.sort > .tmp > env -i /usr/bin/grep "^ /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml. > sort.tmp > /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.sort > echo "" >> /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.so= rt > env -i /usr/bin/awk '/@sortkey@/ {sub(/@sortkey@/, ++line); print;}' < > /usr/doc/ > en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.sort.tmp >> > /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/shar > e/sgml/mirrors.xml.sort > echo '' >> /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.s= ort > env SGML_CATALOG_FILES=3D > XML_CATALOG_FILES=3D"file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books > /handbook/catalog-cwd.xml=20 > file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog.xm > l file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog.xml=20 > file:///usr/doc/share > /sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/doc/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml=20 > file:///usr/ww > w/./share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/www/share/sgml/catalog.xml=20 > file:///usr/ > www/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml file:///usr/local/share/xml/catalog"= > /usr/loc > al/bin/xsltproc --nonet -o > /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml --pa > ram 'transtable.xml' "'/usr/doc/share/sgml/transtable.xml'" --param > 'transtable > -target-element' "'country'" --param 'transtable-word-group' > "'country'" --par > am 'transtable-sortkey.xml' > "'/usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.so > rt'" /usr/doc/share/sgml/transtable-local.xsl > /usr/doc/share/sgml/mirrors.xml > /bin/rm -f /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.sort > /usr/doc/en_US.I > SO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.sort.tmp > echo '' > > /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/au > togen.ent > env SGML_CATALOG_FILES=3D > XML_CATALOG_FILES=3D"file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books > /handbook/catalog-cwd.xml=20 > file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog.xm > l file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog.xml=20 > file:///usr/doc/share > /sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/doc/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml=20 > file:///usr/ww > w/./share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/www/share/sgml/catalog.xml=20 > file:///usr/ > www/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml file:///usr/local/share/xml/catalog"= > /usr/loc > al/bin/xsltproc --nonet -o mirrors.sgml.ftp.inc.tmp --param 'type' > "'ftp'" --p > aram 'proto' "'ftp'" --param 'target' > "'handbook/mirrors/chapter.sgml'" --para > m transtable.xml "'/usr/doc/share/sgml/transtable.xml'"=20 > /usr/doc/share/sgml/mir > rors-local.xsl /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml > runtime error: file /usr/doc/share/sgml/mirrors-master.xsl line 97 > element choos > e > Variable 'mirrors-docbook-country-index-without-period' has not been > declared. > *** Error code 10 >=20 > Stop in /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook. > *** Error code 1 >=20 > Stop in /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books. > *** Error code 1 >=20 > Stop in /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1. > *** Error code 1 >=20 > Stop in /usr/doc.' >=20 > I had this error a few times after cvsup'ing. It's most likely my syste= m > problem but I don't know what. ++ I have the problem too, but after rolling back the docproj toolchain to RELENG_6_2_0_RELEASE it seems that the problems goes away, so I guess some newer version of build toolchain has caused this. Did not investigated this though. Cheers, --=20 Xin LI http://www.delphij.net/ FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! --------------enig121D92D6E4CDF51DD857BF49 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFudj8OfuToMruuMARAztZAKCMBiZmwUsZTPrJYmouqKBPezxqQACdFSxm 6tH12sdv63zYHRjDlOFtnB0= =4AtF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig121D92D6E4CDF51DD857BF49-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 26 19:10:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F5316A400 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:10:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from krinklyfig@speakeasy.net) Received: from mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B396E13C46C for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:10:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from krinklyfig@speakeasy.net) Received: (qmail 15568 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2007 19:10:37 -0000 Received: from 209-188-117-232.taosnet.com (HELO smogmonster.local) (krinklyfig@[209.188.117.232]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 26 Jan 2007 19:10:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:10:36 -0700 From: Joshua Tinnin To: LI Xin Message-ID: <20070126191036.GA9500@smogmonster.local> References: <45B9D8FC.1010300@delphij.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <45B9D8FC.1010300@delphij.net> User-Agent: mutt-ng/devel-r804 (FreeBSD) Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: handbook install error X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: krinklyfig@speakeasy.net List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:10:38 -0000 On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 06:33:32PM +0800, LI Xin wrote: > applecom@inbox.ru wrote: > > I get an error during current handbook installation (FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE, > > docproj-nojadetex-1.17): > > > > '===> en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook (install) > > /bin/mkdir -p /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml > > env SGML_CATALOG_FILES= > > XML_CATALOG_FILES="file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books > > /handbook/catalog-cwd.xml > > file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog.xm > > l file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog.xml > > file:///usr/doc/share > > /sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/doc/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml > > file:///usr/ww > > w/./share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/www/share/sgml/catalog.xml > > file:///usr/ > > www/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml file:///usr/local/share/xml/catalog" > > /usr/loc > > al/bin/xsltproc --nonet --param 'transtable.xml' > > "'/usr/doc/share/sgml/transtab > > le.xml'" --param 'transtable-target-element' "'country'" --param > > 'transtable-w > > ord-group' "'country'" --param 'transtable-mode' "'sortkey'" > > /usr/doc/share/sg > > ml/transtable-local.xsl /usr/doc/share/sgml/mirrors.xml | env -i > > LANG="en_US.IS > > O8859-1" /usr/bin/sort -f > > > /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.sort > > .tmp > > env -i /usr/bin/grep "^ > /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml. > > sort.tmp > /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.sort > > echo "" >> /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.sort > > env -i /usr/bin/awk '/@sortkey@/ {sub(/@sortkey@/, ++line); print;}' < > > /usr/doc/ > > en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.sort.tmp >> > > /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/shar > > e/sgml/mirrors.xml.sort > > echo '' >> /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.sort > > env SGML_CATALOG_FILES= > > XML_CATALOG_FILES="file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books > > /handbook/catalog-cwd.xml > > file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog.xm > > l file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog.xml > > file:///usr/doc/share > > /sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/doc/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml > > file:///usr/ww > > w/./share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/www/share/sgml/catalog.xml > > file:///usr/ > > www/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml file:///usr/local/share/xml/catalog" > > /usr/loc > > al/bin/xsltproc --nonet -o > > /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml --pa > > ram 'transtable.xml' "'/usr/doc/share/sgml/transtable.xml'" --param > > 'transtable > > -target-element' "'country'" --param 'transtable-word-group' > > "'country'" --par > > am 'transtable-sortkey.xml' > > "'/usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.so > > rt'" /usr/doc/share/sgml/transtable-local.xsl > > /usr/doc/share/sgml/mirrors.xml > > /bin/rm -f /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.sort > > /usr/doc/en_US.I > > SO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.sort.tmp > > echo '' > > > /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/au > > togen.ent > > env SGML_CATALOG_FILES= > > XML_CATALOG_FILES="file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books > > /handbook/catalog-cwd.xml > > file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog.xm > > l file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog.xml > > file:///usr/doc/share > > /sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/doc/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml > > file:///usr/ww > > w/./share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/www/share/sgml/catalog.xml > > file:///usr/ > > www/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml file:///usr/local/share/xml/catalog" > > /usr/loc > > al/bin/xsltproc --nonet -o mirrors.sgml.ftp.inc.tmp --param 'type' > > "'ftp'" --p > > aram 'proto' "'ftp'" --param 'target' > > "'handbook/mirrors/chapter.sgml'" --para > > m transtable.xml "'/usr/doc/share/sgml/transtable.xml'" > > /usr/doc/share/sgml/mir > > rors-local.xsl /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml > > runtime error: file /usr/doc/share/sgml/mirrors-master.xsl line 97 > > element choos > > e > > Variable 'mirrors-docbook-country-index-without-period' has not been > > declared. > > *** Error code 10 > > > > Stop in /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook. > > *** Error code 1 > > > > Stop in /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books. > > *** Error code 1 > > > > Stop in /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1. > > *** Error code 1 > > > > Stop in /usr/doc.' > > > > I had this error a few times after cvsup'ing. It's most likely my system > > problem but I don't know what. > > ++ > > I have the problem too, but after rolling back the docproj toolchain to > RELENG_6_2_0_RELEASE it seems that the problems goes away How do you do that? > , so I guess > some newer version of build toolchain has caused this. Did not > investigated this though. Hmmmm ... - jt From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 26 19:15:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43C8F16A400; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:15:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [69.147.83.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D1ED13C48D; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:15:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (pav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l0QJF52d059586; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:15:05 GMT (envelope-from pav@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from pav@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id l0QJF5Ll059582; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:15:05 GMT (envelope-from pav) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:15:05 GMT From: Pav Lucistnik Message-Id: <200701261915.l0QJF5Ll059582@freefall.freebsd.org> To: andy.lavr@reactor-xg.kiev.ua, pav@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/108030: ERROR make doc (6.2-STABLE) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:15:06 -0000 Synopsis: ERROR make doc (6.2-STABLE) State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: pav State-Changed-When: Fri Jan 26 19:13:27 UTC 2007 State-Changed-Why: Please update your doc tree, I have just fixed this. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=108030 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 26 19:50:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A3A016A400 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:50:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gumbert@zntu.edu.ua) Received: from zntu.edu.ua (zstu.edu.ua [194.8.51.249]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 472ED13C489 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:50:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gumbert@zntu.edu.ua) Received: from www.zntu.edu.ua (zntu.edu.ua [194.8.51.249]) by zntu.edu.ua (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id l0QJ23CY098017; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:02:04 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from gumbert@zntu.edu.ua) Message-Id: <200701261902.l0QJ23CY098017@zntu.edu.ua> Received: from 194.8.51.210 (auth. user gumbert@zntu.edu.ua) by www.zntu.edu.ua with HTTP; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:02:03 +0200 To: doc@FreeBSD.org Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:02:03 +0200 X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.10 (On: www.zntu.edu.ua) From: Bounce-To: Errors-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: gumbert@zntu.edu.ua Subject: HTTP 403 error while reading Handbook X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:50:57 -0000 When gone to have a look at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/advanced-networking= html from nearest pages and from Table of Contents I get a 403 error. Can you fix it, please? From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 26 20:49:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0814F16A405; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:49:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [69.147.83.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D42DE13C491; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:49:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (pav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l0QKnGCh065980; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:49:16 GMT (envelope-from pav@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from pav@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id l0QKnGbd065976; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:49:16 GMT (envelope-from pav) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:49:16 GMT From: Pav Lucistnik Message-Id: <200701262049.l0QKnGbd065976@freefall.freebsd.org> To: development@langner.net, pav@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/93363: Handbook 23.11. SMTP-Authentifizierung X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:49:17 -0000 Synopsis: Handbook 23.11. SMTP-Authentifizierung State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: pav State-Changed-When: Fri Jan 26 20:48:56 UTC 2007 State-Changed-Why: I have updated the Handbook with all the fixes in here, and more. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=93363 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 26 20:50:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 487CC16A402 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:50:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [69.147.83.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8EC013C483 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:50:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l0QKoRvC066124 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:50:27 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id l0QKoR1q066123; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:50:27 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:50:27 GMT Message-Id: <200701262050.l0QKoR1q066123@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: dfilter@FreeBSD.ORG (dfilter service) Cc: Subject: Re: docs/93363: commit references a PR X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: dfilter service List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:50:28 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/93363; it has been noted by GNATS. From: dfilter@FreeBSD.ORG (dfilter service) To: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/93363: commit references a PR Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:47:42 +0000 (UTC) pav 2007-01-26 20:47:36 UTC FreeBSD doc repository Modified files: en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mail chapter.sgml Log: 24.10 SMTP Authentication - update for cyrus-sasl2, including saslauthd - fix instructions on rebuilding sendmail - remove mentiond of DEF_AUTH_INFO, it's only used when sendmail is authorizing as a client against remote server, thus out of scope of this document Reviewed by: keramida PR: docs/53575, docs/93363 Revision Changes Path 1.136 +34 -30 doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mail/chapter.sgml _______________________________________________ cvs-all@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/cvs-all To unsubscribe, send any mail to "cvs-all-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 26 21:07:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1F9C16A406 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:07:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from raven.customer.vol.cz (raven.customer.vol.cz [195.250.144.108]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5356C13C49D for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:07:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [192.168.0.23] (r3b159.net.upc.cz [213.220.193.159]) (authenticated bits=0) by raven.customer.vol.cz (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l0QKeA7B099924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:40:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) From: Pav Lucistnik To: krinklyfig@speakeasy.net In-Reply-To: <20070126191036.GA9500@smogmonster.local> References: <45B9D8FC.1010300@delphij.net> <20070126191036.GA9500@smogmonster.local> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-tRyFVvDVeRv+e6RILzN4" Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:40:10 +0100 Message-Id: <1169844010.25659.11.camel@ikaros.oook.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.2.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-Spam-Score: -2.599 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.58 on 195.250.144.108 X-Milter: Spamilter (Reciever: raven.customer.vol.cz; Sender-ip: 213.220.193.159; Sender-helo: [192.168.0.23]; ) Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: handbook install error X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pav@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:07:32 -0000 --=-tRyFVvDVeRv+e6RILzN4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Joshua Tinnin p=ED=B9e v p=E1 26. 01. 2007 v 12:10 -0700: > On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 06:33:32PM +0800, LI Xin wrote: > > applecom@inbox.ru wrote: > > > I get an error during current handbook installation (FreeBSD 6.2-STAB= LE, > > > docproj-nojadetex-1.17): > > >=20 > > > '=3D=3D=3D> en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook (install) > > > /bin/mkdir -p /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml > > > env SGML_CATALOG_FILES=3D > > > XML_CATALOG_FILES=3D"file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books > > > /handbook/catalog-cwd.xml=20 > > > file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog.xm > > > l file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog.xml=20 > > > file:///usr/doc/share > > > /sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/doc/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml=20 > > > file:///usr/ww > > > w/./share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/www/share/sgml/catalog.xml=20 > > > file:///usr/ > > > www/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml file:///usr/local/share/xml/catalo= g" > > > /usr/loc > > > al/bin/xsltproc --nonet --param 'transtable.xml' > > > "'/usr/doc/share/sgml/transtab > > > le.xml'" --param 'transtable-target-element' "'country'" --param > > > 'transtable-w > > > ord-group' "'country'" --param 'transtable-mode' "'sortkey'"=20 > > > /usr/doc/share/sg > > > ml/transtable-local.xsl /usr/doc/share/sgml/mirrors.xml | env -i > > > LANG=3D"en_US.IS > > > O8859-1" /usr/bin/sort -f > > > > /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.sort > > > .tmp > > > env -i /usr/bin/grep "^ > > /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml. > > > sort.tmp > /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.sort > > > echo "" >> /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.= sort > > > env -i /usr/bin/awk '/@sortkey@/ {sub(/@sortkey@/, ++line); print;}' = < > > > /usr/doc/ > > > en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.sort.tmp >> > > > /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/shar > > > e/sgml/mirrors.xml.sort > > > echo '' >> /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml= .sort > > > env SGML_CATALOG_FILES=3D > > > XML_CATALOG_FILES=3D"file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books > > > /handbook/catalog-cwd.xml=20 > > > file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog.xm > > > l file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog.xml=20 > > > file:///usr/doc/share > > > /sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/doc/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml=20 > > > file:///usr/ww > > > w/./share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/www/share/sgml/catalog.xml=20 > > > file:///usr/ > > > www/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml file:///usr/local/share/xml/catalo= g" > > > /usr/loc > > > al/bin/xsltproc --nonet -o > > > /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml --pa > > > ram 'transtable.xml' "'/usr/doc/share/sgml/transtable.xml'" --param > > > 'transtable > > > -target-element' "'country'" --param 'transtable-word-group' > > > "'country'" --par > > > am 'transtable-sortkey.xml' > > > "'/usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.so > > > rt'" /usr/doc/share/sgml/transtable-local.xsl > > > /usr/doc/share/sgml/mirrors.xml > > > /bin/rm -f /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.sort > > > /usr/doc/en_US.I > > > SO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml.sort.tmp > > > echo '' > > > > /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/au > > > togen.ent > > > env SGML_CATALOG_FILES=3D > > > XML_CATALOG_FILES=3D"file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books > > > /handbook/catalog-cwd.xml=20 > > > file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog.xm > > > l file:///usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog.xml=20 > > > file:///usr/doc/share > > > /sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/doc/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml=20 > > > file:///usr/ww > > > w/./share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///usr/www/share/sgml/catalog.xml=20 > > > file:///usr/ > > > www/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml file:///usr/local/share/xml/catalo= g" > > > /usr/loc > > > al/bin/xsltproc --nonet -o mirrors.sgml.ftp.inc.tmp --param 'type' > > > "'ftp'" --p > > > aram 'proto' "'ftp'" --param 'target' > > > "'handbook/mirrors/chapter.sgml'" --para > > > m transtable.xml "'/usr/doc/share/sgml/transtable.xml'"=20 > > > /usr/doc/share/sgml/mir > > > rors-local.xsl /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/mirrors.xml > > > runtime error: file /usr/doc/share/sgml/mirrors-master.xsl line 97 > > > element choos > > > e > > > Variable 'mirrors-docbook-country-index-without-period' has not been > > > declared. > > > *** Error code 10 > > >=20 > > > Stop in /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook. > > > *** Error code 1 > > >=20 > > > Stop in /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books. > > > *** Error code 1 > > >=20 > > > Stop in /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1. > > > *** Error code 1 > > >=20 > > > Stop in /usr/doc.' > > >=20 > > > I had this error a few times after cvsup'ing. It's most likely my sys= tem > > > problem but I don't know what. > >=20 > > ++ > >=20 > > I have the problem too, but after rolling back the docproj toolchain to > > RELENG_6_2_0_RELEASE it seems that the problems goes away >=20 > How do you do that? >=20 > > , so I guess > > some newer version of build toolchain has caused this. Did not > > investigated this though. >=20 > Hmmmm ... It was an libxslt update, actually. I have fixed the bug in the XSL template. It should work now again, just update from cvs. --=20 Pav Lucistnik Canada is a country whose main exports are hockey players and cold fronts. Our main imports are baseball players and acid rain. -- Pierre Elliott Trudeau --=-tRyFVvDVeRv+e6RILzN4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Toto je =?UTF-8?Q?digit=C3=A1ln=C4=9B?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_podepsan=E1?= =?UTF-8?Q?_=C4=8D=C3=A1st?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_zpr=E1vy?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBFumcqntdYP8FOsoIRAptCAJ9wXIpCj7ysMSf8KtRnrDoPnSzlOgCeN5MW u9OnmV5fGcAz6ahKwpt2q2E= =Jvsu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-tRyFVvDVeRv+e6RILzN4-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 26 21:32:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1071C16A403 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:32:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remko@freebsd.org) Received: from caelis.elvandar.org (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8F9C13C49D for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:32:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remko@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) by caelis.elvandar.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E511492FCFF; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:08:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from caelis.elvandar.org ([217.148.169.59]) by localhost (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 73043-03; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:08:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.0.2.125] (evilcoder.xs4all.nl [195.64.94.120]) (Authenticated sender: remko@evilcoder.org) by caelis.elvandar.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 843FB92FC5B; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:08:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <45BA6E2F.1020605@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:10:07 +0100 From: Remko Lodder User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gumbert@zntu.edu.ua References: <200701261902.l0QJ23CY098017@zntu.edu.ua> In-Reply-To: <200701261902.l0QJ23CY098017@zntu.edu.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 at elvandar.org Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: HTTP 403 error while reading Handbook X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: remko@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:32:47 -0000 gumbert@zntu.edu.ua wrote: > When gone to have a look at > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/advanced-networkinghtml > from nearest pages and from Table of Contents I get a 403 error. > > Can you fix it, please? Perhaps you should have a look at the URL you just displayed, it's .html << notice the dot there. //Remko -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder ** remko@elvandar.org FreeBSD ** remko@FreeBSD.org /* Quis custodiet ipsos custodes */ From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 26 21:35:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 010EE16A406 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:35:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from info@evolve-news.co.uk) Received: from eddie.fcpl.com (eddie.fcpl.com [217.158.168.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E5313C4AC for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:35:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from info@evolve-news.co.uk) Received: from 57-66.dsl.data.net.uk ([80.68.57.66] helo=chrisp-workstat) by eddie.fcpl.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HAYSn-0005eR-MY for doc@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:18:26 +0000 Organization: FCP Internet Ltd Message-ID: From: "News from Evolve" To: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:01:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=SPLITOR00A_001_640792890D" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Integrated Recruitment Software, Evolve X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:35:20 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=SPLITOR00A_001_640792890D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" [1]3D"" Think outside the=20 bowl evolve is=20 a complete online recruitment workflow solution that provides = 360=BA=20 integration between your front office, back office and web = presence,=20 allowing you to work seamlessly with your clients, candidates = and=20 the rest of the online world. evolve from FCP, the Managed Service=20 Provider = = ; &n= bsp; = ; =20 To find = out more or=20 to book a demonstration, contact us on 01252 333344, = e-mail=20 [2]sales@evolvedb.co.uk or visit www.evolvedb.co.uk 3D"" Copyright FCP Internet Ltd. 2006. All rights reserved. = [3]FCP Internet Ltd We are committed to respecting your privacy. = We do=20 not share your information with any third party. If you feel you = have=20 received this e-mail in error or wish to be removed from this list = then=20 simply e-mail [4]unsubscribe@evolvedb.co.uk Any views or opinions presented are solely those of = the=20 author and do not necessarily represent those of FCP Internet or = its=20 subsidiaries. References Visible links 1. 3D"http://www.evolvedb.co.uk/htdocs/index.php" 2. 3D"mailto:sales@evolvedb.co.uk?subject=3DEnquiry 3. 3D"http://www.evolvedb.co.uk/htdocs/index.php" 4. 3D"mailto:unsubscribe@evolvedb.co.uk?subject=3DUnsubscribe%20me" Hidden links: 5. 3D"http://www.evolvedb.co.uk"/ ------=SPLITOR00A_001_640792890D-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 27 09:44:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F9216A40D for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 09:44:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gumbert@zntu.edu.ua) Received: from zntu.edu.ua (zntu.edu.ua [194.8.51.249]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA8113C48E for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 09:44:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gumbert@zntu.edu.ua) Received: from www.zntu.edu.ua (zntu.edu.ua [194.8.51.249]) by zntu.edu.ua (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id l0R9pV8s024911 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:51:31 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from gumbert@zntu.edu.ua) Message-Id: <200701270951.l0R9pV8s024911@zntu.edu.ua> Received: from 194.8.51.210 (auth. user gumbert@zntu.edu.ua) by www.zntu.edu.ua with HTTP; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:51:31 +0200 To: "doc@FreeBSD.org" Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:51:31 +0200 X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.10 (On: www.zntu.edu.ua) From: Bounce-To: Errors-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Local proxy black list give HTTP 403 error X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 09:44:11 -0000 I'm sorry, but error was produced misconfiguration of my own local proxy.