From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 29 11:01:30 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ECC416A418 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:01:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from thin.berklix.org (thin.berklix.org [194.246.123.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FD3A13C45E for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:01:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A4E9C.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.78.156]) (authenticated bits=128) by thin.berklix.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l7TAMPuc023848 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:22:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l7TAMJbA051266 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:22:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost.js.berklix.net [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7TAMJaI077868 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:22:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <200708291022.l7TAMJaI077868@fire.js.berklix.net> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: "Julian Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen. User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://berklix.com/~jhs/cv/ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:22:19 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.org Subject: nve0 reports 10M but works at 100M, + date problem on Siemens board. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:01:30 -0000 Hi freebsd-isp@freebsd.org 2 problems seen on a Siemens board (with 6.2-RELEASE): - nve0 reports 10M but works at 100Mbit/s. - date time loss . If anyone else has experience of these boards, please let me know: board I tested: http://support.fujitsu-siemens.com/Manuals/ShowDescription_KMT.asp?DokuID=200449 # Off web seemed newer on HTML page, but PDF is same Ed. 3 Paper manual marked A26361-D2000-Z120-1-7419, Ausgabe 3, August 2005 a26361-d2000-z120-en.pdf Manual in English is inferior to German original, I guess these first/primarily sold into servers in German speaking markets. (So trying isp@ before perhaps hardware@ later). Ethernet Problem: With /etc/rc.conf ifconfig_nve0="inet 192.168.91.110 media autoselect" ifconfig reports media: Ethernet autoselect (10baseT/UTP) although shows data actually moves at 100 Meg bit/sec. Not sure if this is standard to driver or unique to mainboard. This when connected to 3 different 100M switches (no 1G switch to test). Ethernet Driver In FreeBSD is a binary BLOB /usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/nve/i386/ nvenetlib.README "Customer may not reverse engineer, decompile..." BIOS DVD seems to indicate same or similar BLOB for Linux & MS. There's a newer Nvidia driver in current source: ftp/pub/FreeBSD/branches/-current/src/sys/dev/nfe/ "Driver for NVIDIA nForce MCP Fast Ethernet and Gigabit Ethernet" Clock Problem: Main board(s) have a strange problem with date after reboot losing time (but only with FreeBSD, not with BIOS only or Linux ?! ) apparently mboards have 3 counters, it's being investigated by others with new battery & resetting BIOS defaults etc. I don't currently have access to these boards at a client site, but in contact. Any experiences to swap/ comments ? Julian -- Julian Stacey. Munich Consultant: BSD Unix Linux. http://berklix.com Ihr Rauch=mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. Dump cigs 4 snuff. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 30 01:53:48 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F97616A420 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:53:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.schuh@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.236]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF55F13C442 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:53:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.schuh@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i29so342327wxd for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:53:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=mj5n7jZOME9XEGeb12lTKixCe+xCdJsmwWKOdZF7Jd0lm9vmIF8Pibq5S9Cm1OrFx9DTWN3lAdIU9qQpJZQ/cbNRm3J8PdQLuv8EZGy5EgXcFdN6CRqDDdd10dUlaCHOnhDky286Fx5v1D6NWJ3KP1ny5VYac5XNh5nGl5ca1UU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=UI6Sqr/KXoNkvZEXhzUBdSDzSCaUAQ21BGqq5LXekK+/TeFWMXS1k7NhL4bTyEONWr0AO5451G18hJzZv+kZ7adSDqVK4r8pqnlqogocxRgsjlV0gBI836U8Z5eL+C3ErGolvgkBv/2iCQbWBsmDi2Z0Cm3w/OYpVY18QrAv9ZU= Received: by 10.90.49.1 with SMTP id w1mr3261511agw.1188437187175; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.63.20 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1dbad3150708291826y5ed57502l5915aba62f71f62c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 03:26:27 +0200 From: "Michael Schuh" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: ISP Webfrontends for Management X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:53:48 -0000 Hi @list, i search a good/reliable/stable possibility to manage Domains/users/mailaccounts/webspace/servers etc. per Http... I have searched throug google and the ports-tree and the only two frontends that i have found are sysutils/syscp and www/raqdevil. syscp shows me very clear and a little bit poor but stable and mature enoug= h to use it. raqdevil is horridble to install clean and runnable in a jail, and it uses originally code from SUN Microsystems Cobalt-Raq's, so that it seems to me a little bit difficult to use it..... Can anyone point me to other frontends ( preferred supported through the ports-tree), and/or to an frontend to cfengine ( if it gave one)? Thanks for all regards michael --=20 =3D=3D=3D m i c h a e l - s c h u h . n e t =3D=3D=3D Michael Schuh Preu=DFenstr. 13 66111 Saarbr=FCcken phone: 0681/8319664 mobil: 0177/9738644 @: m i c h a e l . s c h u h @ g m a i l . c o m =3D=3D=3D Ust-ID: DE251072318 =3D=3D=3D From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 30 04:29:03 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEFB916A419 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 04:29:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iaccounts@ibctech.ca) Received: from pearl.ibctech.ca (pearl.ibctech.ca [208.70.104.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CAD213C45B for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 04:29:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iaccounts@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 50745 invoked by uid 1002); 30 Aug 2007 04:01:47 -0000 Received: from iaccounts@ibctech.ca by pearl.ibctech.ca by uid 89 with qmail-scanner-1.22 (spamassassin: 2.64. Clear:RC:1(208.70.104.100):. Processed in 6.930171 secs); 30 Aug 2007 04:01:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.30.110?) (steve@ibctech.ca@208.70.104.100) by pearl.ibctech.ca with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 30 Aug 2007 04:01:40 -0000 Message-ID: <46D6412A.30903@ibctech.ca> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:01:46 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Schuh References: <1dbad3150708291826y5ed57502l5915aba62f71f62c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1dbad3150708291826y5ed57502l5915aba62f71f62c@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP Webfrontends for Management X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 04:29:04 -0000 Michael Schuh wrote: > Hi @list, > > i search a good/reliable/stable possibility to manage > Domains/users/mailaccounts/webspace/servers etc. > per Http... How large is your ISP? I have to assume relatively small. Normally, due to differences in ISP billing and management, there is never one single answer. We (<10,000 users), find Matt Simerson's email toaster to work wonderfully for email management: http://mail-toaster.org/ That's really the only 'web management' advice I can give, as all other management applications are developed in house, and will likely not port to other environments without extensive effort. Steve From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 30 07:02:02 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A97416A41A for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:02:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unkn0wn@megabit.ru) Received: from region73.ru (amnesiac.megabit.ru [193.125.183.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92CD13C465 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:02:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unkn0wn@megabit.ru) Received: from [212.176.111.22] (account unkn0wn HELO castle.megabit.ru) by region73.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.2) with ESMTPA id 304784889 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:01:18 +0400 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:01:10 +0400 From: wwwadmin To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070830100110.3786b22d@castle.megabit.ru> In-Reply-To: <1dbad3150708291826y5ed57502l5915aba62f71f62c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1dbad3150708291826y5ed57502l5915aba62f71f62c@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.5.2 (GTK+ 2.10.6; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ISP Webfrontends for Management X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:02:02 -0000 You may try DTC, sysutils/dtc. Have some little bugs, but in other it's power hosting panel. > Hi @list, > > i search a good/reliable/stable possibility to manage > Domains/users/mailaccounts/webspace/servers etc. > per Http... > > I have searched throug google and the ports-tree and the only > two frontends that i have found are sysutils/syscp and www/raqdevil. > > syscp shows me very clear and a little bit poor but stable and mature > enough to use it. > > raqdevil is horridble to install clean and runnable in a jail, > and it uses originally code from SUN Microsystems Cobalt-Raq's, > so that it seems to me a little bit difficult to use it..... > > Can anyone point me to other frontends ( preferred supported through > the ports-tree), > and/or to an frontend to cfengine ( if it gave one)? > > Thanks for all > > regards > > michael > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 30 08:46:52 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD07716A418 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:46:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from thin.berklix.org (thin.berklix.org [194.246.123.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B0D213C457 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:46:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A7356.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.115.86]) (authenticated bits=128) by thin.berklix.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l7U8k1nM031178; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:46:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l7U8jsq9056784; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:45:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost.js.berklix.net [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7U8jsg6003217; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:45:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <200708300845.l7U8jsg6003217@fire.js.berklix.net> To: "Michael Schuh" From: "Julian Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen. User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Thu, 30 Aug 2007 03:26:27 +0200." <1dbad3150708291826y5ed57502l5915aba62f71f62c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:45:54 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.org Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP Webfrontends for Management X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:46:52 -0000 "Michael Schuh" wrote: > Hi @list, > > i search a good/reliable/stable possibility to manage > Domains/users/mailaccounts/webspace/servers etc. > per Http... A friend enthuses about /usr/ports/sysutils/webmin. I've never tried it. ( I've done Unix admin etc for 25 years so don't always want clicky interfaces :-). -- Julian Stacey. Munich Computer Consultant, BSD Unix C Linux. http://berklix.com Ihr Rauch=mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. Dump cigs 4 snuff. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 30 17:10:47 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3032516A496 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:10:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fisp@ccstores.com) Received: from mail.qcislands.net (mail.qcislands.net [209.53.238.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10DD613C4E9 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:10:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fisp@ccstores.com) Received: from [209.53.237.85] (helo=[192.168.1.4]) by mail.qcislands.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IQmzN-000Dav-9w; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:35:25 -0700 Message-ID: <46D6F1CD.30805@ccstores.com> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:35:25 -0700 From: Jim Pazarena Organization: City Centre Stores Ltd User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <1dbad3150708291826y5ed57502l5915aba62f71f62c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1dbad3150708291826y5ed57502l5915aba62f71f62c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-local_scan: locally submitted (85) Cc: Michael Schuh Subject: Re: ISP Webfrontends for Management X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:10:47 -0000 Michael Schuh wrote: > Hi @list, > > i search a good/reliable/stable possibility to manage > Domains/users/mailaccounts/webspace/servers etc. > per Http... > > I have searched throug google and the ports-tree and the only > two frontends that i have found are sysutils/syscp and www/raqdevil. > > syscp shows me very clear and a little bit poor but stable and mature enough > to use it. > > raqdevil is horridble to install clean and runnable in a jail, > and it uses originally code from SUN Microsystems Cobalt-Raq's, > so that it seems to me a little bit difficult to use it..... > > Can anyone point me to other frontends ( preferred supported through the > ports-tree), > and/or to an frontend to cfengine ( if it gave one)? > > Thanks for all > > regards > > michael I had an email front-end custom built for myself by a top notch php/mysql programmer. eemam http://www.eemam.com he can create any interfaces you desire and is a very reasonably priced and experienced programmer. I use exim/vm-pop3d and the system works great for the 100 or so domains which I host. Jim From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 30 18:03:53 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFBA216A41A for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:03:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.schuh@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A236A13C480 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:03:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.schuh@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i29so516375wxd for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:03:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=uDv2+Tq3d1kk7zb8+ZSUfs0WxKHx2vwEEY06n6+M/5cBqdVRvsq+6VFOvq21kQwWMeRT/MEDeMjaJIYhLezD2qPT+ZOqNPHvmOplD/Ituhm0fzWbo17fSztTNL66IhGQnBxYUUv7rU7/2YsrpSDnaUsxhqp+UbZTl097UCy1EuM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=RbFXuZtZFJDw3e0faiotWccJDtcgc1DLiB0eWdEzr3r8CXdr05Q8lmQsw4/vFD6/S0wrF6tChu6J5VANt1dzymuYdZyAjbt7kdm7UUlk5soLHAzY8wslCGPdC5xKSqpy3QH3dVb+D19sH4UlNFrXjFsr+Z0W6qNWakveKCmYZU4= Received: by 10.90.113.18 with SMTP id l18mr928732agc.1188497022547; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:03:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.63.20 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:03:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1dbad3150708301103x5b4423cra46d22c4afd802d1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:03:42 +0200 From: "Michael Schuh" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <46D6F1CD.30805@ccstores.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1dbad3150708291826y5ed57502l5915aba62f71f62c@mail.gmail.com> <46D6F1CD.30805@ccstores.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: ISP Webfrontends for Management X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:03:54 -0000 Hi @list, (i would answer to the list, not to the persons only) First thanks for the suggestions. Now my personal opinions: I like solutions that ar small, smart and easy to administrate/update. Such as syscp. But syscp doesn't have all the functionality that i like. dtc looks very good, but have tons of dependencies that are not really needed. raqdevil shold be a good solution if it get installed right, but it doesn't in a jail. webin is overloaded, while the customer from me doesn't like a fully system management, and in the last twelve years of my experiences with linux/freebsd i have many many boxes seen that have been cracked and misused as mailgateways/streamingservers or public ftpservers from crackers. because the updates from webin are not all times maked fast enough. qmail is good but for me it is a little bit to complex to handle, i prefer combinations such as named(bind9)/postfix/sa/dspam/cyrus-imap(also with murder-config) or courie= r or dovecot for small enviroments. for Databases i like to prefer postgresql before mysql and apache or lightttpd. And that are the components that i have to manage over a single webfrontend= . So that at this moment syscp is the only one that can handle this and only this, not more and not less, but it lacks of support for sa/dspam. ok dspam brings his own webfrontend but sa not and sa is very complex to configure while it has tons of features......so i think about it to leav= e it out from the box and use only dspam..... the webfrontends for cyrus are not really good IMHO thanks for your suggestions regards michael Michael Schuh wrote: > > Hi @list, > > > > i search a good/reliable/stable possibility to manage > > Domains/users/mailaccounts/webspace/servers etc. > > per Http... > > > > I have searched throug google and the ports-tree and the only > > two frontends that i have found are sysutils/syscp and www/raqdevil. > > > > syscp shows me very clear and a little bit poor but stable and mature > enough > > to use it. > > > > raqdevil is horridble to install clean and runnable in a jail, > > and it uses originally code from SUN Microsystems Cobalt-Raq's, > > so that it seems to me a little bit difficult to use it..... > > > > Can anyone point me to other frontends ( preferred supported through th= e > > ports-tree), > > and/or to an frontend to cfengine ( if it gave one)? > > > > Thanks for all > > > > regards > > > > michael > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D m i c h a e l - s c h u h . n e t =3D=3D=3D Michael Schuh Preu=DFenstr. 13 66111 Saarbr=FCcken phone: 0681/8319664 mobil: 0177/9738644 @: m i c h a e l . s c h u h @ g m a i l . c o m =3D=3D=3D Ust-ID: DE251072318 =3D=3D=3D From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 30 19:46:07 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E5F16A417 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:46:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from louisk@cryptomonkeys.com) Received: from abeyance.cryptomonkeys.com (abeyance.cryptomonkeys.com [67.42.3.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAA5D13C467 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:46:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from louisk@cryptomonkeys.com) Received: from localhost ([168.61.10.147]) (authenticated bits=0) by abeyance.cryptomonkeys.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7UJVmYR024935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:31:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:28:12 -0700 From: Louis Kowolowski To: Michael Schuh Message-ID: <20070830192812.GD25442@cryptomonkeys.com> Mail-Followup-To: Michael Schuh , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <1dbad3150708291826y5ed57502l5915aba62f71f62c@mail.gmail.com> <46D6F1CD.30805@ccstores.com> <1dbad3150708301103x5b4423cra46d22c4afd802d1@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1dbad3150708301103x5b4423cra46d22c4afd802d1@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i User-Agent: TV Remote 3.2b X-Disclaimer: WARNING: May contain scarcasm! X-Header: "WARNING: POLITICALLY INCORRECT AREA All P.C. Personnel entering these premises will encounter gravely offensive behavior and opinions. (SEC4623. Ministry of political incorrection security act of 1995) RAMPANT INSENSITIVITY AUTHORIZED" X-GPG-Fingerprint: 7A77 80FD 3F4D 995E A807 A218 664D 2BEA 8024 37B6 X-GPG-Key: http://www.cryptomonkeys.com/~louisk/pgp.html Organization: Hopelessly Disorganized Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP Webfrontends for Management X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:46:07 -0000 On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 08:03:42PM +0200, Michael Schuh wrote: > Hi @list, > > (i would answer to the list, not to the persons only) > > First thanks for the suggestions. > > Now my personal opinions: > I like solutions that ar small, smart and easy to administrate/update. > Such as syscp. But syscp doesn't have all the functionality that i like. > dtc looks very good, but have tons of dependencies that are not really > needed. > raqdevil shold be a good solution if it get installed right, but it doesn't > in a jail. > > webin is overloaded, while the customer from me doesn't like a fully system > management, and in the last twelve years of my experiences with > linux/freebsd > i have many many boxes seen that have been cracked and misused as > mailgateways/streamingservers > or public ftpservers from crackers. because the updates from webin are not > all times > maked fast enough. > > qmail is good but for me it is a little bit to complex to handle, > i prefer combinations such as > named(bind9)/postfix/sa/dspam/cyrus-imap(also with murder-config) or courier > or dovecot for small > enviroments. for Databases i like to prefer postgresql before mysql and > apache or lightttpd. > > And that are the components that i have to manage over a single webfrontend. > So that at this moment syscp is the only one that can handle this and only > this, > not more and not less, but it lacks of support for sa/dspam. > ok dspam brings his own webfrontend but sa not and sa is very complex > to configure while it has tons of features......so i think about it to leave > it out from > the box and use only dspam..... > > the webfrontends for cyrus are not really good IMHO > > thanks for your suggestions > You might try ISPMan (http://www.ispman.net/) It's apache/cyrus/postfix/ldap. -- Louis Kowolowski KE7BAX louisk@cryptomonkeys.com Cryptomonkeys: http://www.cryptomonkeys.com/~louisk Warning: Do not point laser at remaining eye! From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 31 06:26:43 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADF9F16A420 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 06:26:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unkn0wn@megabit.ru) Received: from region73.ru (amnesiac.megabit.ru [193.125.183.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C41213C45B for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 06:26:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unkn0wn@megabit.ru) Received: from [212.176.111.22] (account unkn0wn HELO castle.megabit.ru) by region73.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.2) with ESMTPA id 304819253 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:26:32 +0400 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:26:23 +0400 From: wwwadmin To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070831102623.2161b8ff@castle.megabit.ru> In-Reply-To: <1dbad3150708301103x5b4423cra46d22c4afd802d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <1dbad3150708291826y5ed57502l5915aba62f71f62c@mail.gmail.com> <46D6F1CD.30805@ccstores.com> <1dbad3150708301103x5b4423cra46d22c4afd802d1@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.5.2 (GTK+ 2.10.6; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ISP Webfrontends for Management X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 06:26:43 -0000 SysCP have one big weakness - it disallow choise database name, only like "_1". I try to install raqdevil, but half-year ago it was in beta state and work not stable. Now situation is not different. Webmin will be difficult for customers. I DTC use on my hosting machine, have no trouble: it allow apache/exim/mysql/mailman admining, dependencies are only sbox, sudo, chrootid and rrdtool, other dependencies are only needed features like apache, mysql, etc. > Hi @list, > > (i would answer to the list, not to the persons only) > > First thanks for the suggestions. > > Now my personal opinions: > I like solutions that ar small, smart and easy to administrate/update. > Such as syscp. But syscp doesn't have all the functionality that i > like. dtc looks very good, but have tons of dependencies that are not > really needed. > raqdevil shold be a good solution if it get installed right, but it > doesn't in a jail. > > webin is overloaded, while the customer from me doesn't like a fully > system management, and in the last twelve years of my experiences with > linux/freebsd > i have many many boxes seen that have been cracked and misused as > mailgateways/streamingservers > or public ftpservers from crackers. because the updates from webin > are not all times > maked fast enough. > > qmail is good but for me it is a little bit to complex to handle, > i prefer combinations such as > named(bind9)/postfix/sa/dspam/cyrus-imap(also with murder-config) or > courier or dovecot for small > enviroments. for Databases i like to prefer postgresql before mysql > and apache or lightttpd. > > And that are the components that i have to manage over a single > webfrontend. So that at this moment syscp is the only one that can > handle this and only this, > not more and not less, but it lacks of support for sa/dspam. > ok dspam brings his own webfrontend but sa not and sa is very complex > to configure while it has tons of features......so i think about it > to leave it out from > the box and use only dspam..... > > the webfrontends for cyrus are not really good IMHO > > thanks for your suggestions > > regards > > michael > > Michael Schuh wrote: > > > Hi @list, > > > > > > i search a good/reliable/stable possibility to manage > > > Domains/users/mailaccounts/webspace/servers etc. > > > per Http... > > > > > > I have searched throug google and the ports-tree and the only > > > two frontends that i have found are sysutils/syscp and > > > www/raqdevil. > > > > > > syscp shows me very clear and a little bit poor but stable and > > > mature > > enough > > > to use it. > > > > > > raqdevil is horridble to install clean and runnable in a jail, > > > and it uses originally code from SUN Microsystems Cobalt-Raq's, > > > so that it seems to me a little bit difficult to use it..... > > > > > > Can anyone point me to other frontends ( preferred supported > > > through the ports-tree), > > > and/or to an frontend to cfengine ( if it gave one)? > > > > > > Thanks for all > > > > > > regards > > > > > > michael > > > >