From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 11 02:43:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DE8116A417 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 02:43:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karel@lovetemple.net) Received: from imgr.siol.net (imgr.siol.net [193.189.160.82]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50BC313C465 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 02:43:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karel@lovetemple.net) Received: from edge2.siol.net ([10.10.10.211]) by mta1.siol.net with ESMTP id <20080210213136.UCNS25958.mta1.siol.net@edge2.siol.net>; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:31:36 +0100 Received: from tp.unitedpeople.net ([86.61.4.106]) by edge2.siol.net with ESMTP id <20080210213135.NZXO22946.edge2.siol.net@tp.unitedpeople.net>; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:31:35 +0100 Message-ID: <47AF6D2C.5090508@lovetemple.net> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:31:24 +0100 From: Karel Miklav User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071124) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <20080204091025.T31857@gwdu60.gwdg.de> In-Reply-To: <20080204091025.T31857@gwdu60.gwdg.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Microsoft-Yahoo-Offer X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 02:43:14 -0000 Konrad Heuer wrote: > Knowing what happened when M$ bought Hotmail - FreeBSD was gradually > replaced by Windows - I fear that one very famous commercial user > (and sponsor?) of FreeBSD will move away from FreeBSD. I don't really know, but... 1. the last Microsoft OS experiment didn't end that well. Their process is rigid and costly. 2. the satellite commercial BSD project OS X is a success. 3. Microsoft is trying to enter the UNIX market. 4. Microsoft is trying to reap the benefits of the open source community. 5. FreeBSD has a very corporate-friendly license plus skilled and handy community. 6. every major IT company has their free pet by now, but there seem to be a thorn in Microsoft / Novell relationship and it is GPL 3. 7. the FreeBSD Fundation is "Providing legal support on issues like understanding the GPLv3"... It could go in either direction, if it's for the better depends upon your expectations. -- Regards, Karel Miklav From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 11 15:45:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A04F916A498 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:45:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpniner@dpniner.net) Received: from cosmicrays.dpniner.net (www.dpniner.net [65.15.126.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D6A13C43E for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:45:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpniner@dpniner.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by cosmicrays.dpniner.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71DC2E902F5 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:28:08 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.499 tagged_above=-10 required=6.6 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from cosmicrays.dpniner.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (cosmicrays.dpniner.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09NUJdeZrl86 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:28:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from cosmicrays.dpniner.net (cosmicrays.dpniner.net [10.0.2.1]) by cosmicrays.dpniner.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 210342E902F6 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:28:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:28:06 -0500 (EST) From: David-Paul Niner To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1766076.71202743686721.JavaMail.root@cosmicrays.dpniner.net> In-Reply-To: <2734164.41202743608932.JavaMail.root@cosmicrays.dpniner.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [10.0.1.3] Subject: Fwd: Microsoft-Yahoo-Offer X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:45:41 -0000 Sorry, this should have been sent to the list. DP ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "David-Paul Niner" To: "Karel Miklav" Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 10:26:48 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: Microsoft-Yahoo-Offer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Miklav" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 4:31:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: Microsoft-Yahoo-Offer Konrad Heuer wrote: > Knowing what happened when M$ bought Hotmail - FreeBSD was gradually > replaced by Windows - I fear that one very famous commercial user > (and sponsor?) of FreeBSD will move away from FreeBSD. I don't really know, but... 1. the last Microsoft OS experiment didn't end that well. Their process is rigid and costly. 2. the satellite commercial BSD project OS X is a success. 3. Microsoft is trying to enter the UNIX market. 4. Microsoft is trying to reap the benefits of the open source community. 5. FreeBSD has a very corporate-friendly license plus skilled and handy community. 6. every major IT company has their free pet by now, but there seem to be a thorn in Microsoft / Novell relationship and it is GPL 3. 7. the FreeBSD Fundation is "Providing legal support on issues like understanding the GPLv3"... It could go in either direction, if it's for the better depends upon your expectations. ------ First, I don't honestly believe Yahoo! wants this acquisition to go through. While these are big numbers MS is proposing, it would basically spell the end of the Yahoo! culture. MS is inherently unable to understand that there are wiser ways of doing business. They would force Yahoo! to comply w/ their ideas and it would implode. The upside to this is that I can't imagine all the real technical talent at Yahoo! wanting to work for Microsoft. That would make ripe pickings for Google, the only other game in town. What better scenario for those folk. There have been rumblings that this is merely Microsoft's way of getting their hands on a lot of BSD talent, in hopes of either developing their own Unix-like product to improving the interopperability(sp?) of Windows. If the former is the case, it will be moot. Windows typifies Microsoft's idea of what an OS should be, UNIX would be far too great a paradigm shift for them to ever be successful, unless they somehow ousted Balmer (A very real possibility in my eyes, I believe he's becoming less popular internally as time passes). At this point in time, Bill Gates is no real threat to anyone and would probably align himself with the better technology if given the chance. He's a coder at heart, after all. At any rate, a formal alliance w/ Google might mitigate the MS threat. Google is the immovable object. DP -- Regards, Karel Miklav _______________________________________________ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 13 20:29:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF7316A418 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:29:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raistlinmolina@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474E313C467 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:29:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raistlinmolina@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so210724waf.3 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:29:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=F6sbFlqOaLjrlp2mlbmhT9RgsmcwUOGLCwUVjObOH4Q=; b=f128wUXit3JjppKhRBZta5GwcmAaWaJxcqiN4EJEgKBzkEzpULxzaDVjf7IX3feM+YBODK4o0qIv3Z/HGd00aoOghokGwdvu8YoIxp/pHWy6omO6agWXrvq89Zm9UFh5s6myutRsLqzOJaTVj3f7TzoVr+Reps8I9sthe8uyBPQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=i7Nv8fQMvl+REcYt0LWHPx4IF6bfR7P1dd2L8qK41Rtcb9LFoZF2f2MBNKtth2/DRqGZVfL1OlcdCLY3etOeJvqf9LcD1mQpwdgsBA6f+h3qcXAetlXKcXJBpORHGEcnPcPkje1SF0qU77uqBH67nb+ZaFoKf1okPO/pgfHRiAU= Received: by 10.115.89.1 with SMTP id r1mr442238wal.8.1202933075818; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:04:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.57.17 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:04:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:04:35 +0100 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel_Molina_Pascual?=" To: "william rockt" In-Reply-To: <1ff813d0802080114w1996a19dq82566f58d356b746@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1ff813d0802080114w1996a19dq82566f58d356b746@mail.gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FAQ Interactive, Are Video Games Good? A Non-Gamer's Perspective X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:29:08 -0000 I almost completely agree with you, I'm not a gamer today but I was a moderate gamer during the late 80's and 90's. As you, I don't think that playing violent games does not increase violence, in fact, if you compare the units sold of games such as Grand Theft Auto, Call of Duty against the violent actions motivated by them I'm sure that the conclusion will be that there is no relation between both issues. I preferred playing (and still like) simulators but I also enjoyed (and enjoy) shooters, hence I played Castle of Wolfstein, Doom, Doom II, Quake, Quake II, GTA, GTA 2, GTA 3 and now I steal my wife some minutes a week to play COD 4. I'm totally opposed to weapons and I don't think that I'm a violent person (or at least not more violent that before playing :) ). In fact I think that the games we can can enjoy now are very good to avoid violence, they are very real and you can see all the damage, destruction and pain that those acts carry with them, I think that some years ago it was not the same and you could not appreciate the hard life of a soldier (just take Operation Flashpoint or COD 4) and the effects of a war. What I think is that the media has to publish something, they earn money making news where news do not make themselves, so, if one individual takes a knife and kills one another and there's the fact that this former guy played COD 4 a week ago the media will say that COD 4 is the "factor". The other arguments, where, as you say, I have a desk job and have some extra pounds (not many) that I didn't had before I began to work, and I played computer games much more than know, as you say, balance and moderation is the key. -- The complexity of software is an essential property, not an accidental one. Our ignorance is God; what we know is science. (Robert Ingersoll). Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. (Edward Gibbon) From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 13 23:51:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9979A16A421; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:51:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A0A013C467; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:51:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A3F9E.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.63.158]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m1DNpDRm018028; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:51:16 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m1DNrELM072735; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:53:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m1DNr39Q093231; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:53:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <200802132353.m1DNr39Q093231@fire.js.berklix.net> To: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel_Molina_Pascual?=" In-reply-to: References: <1ff813d0802080114w1996a19dq82566f58d356b746@mail.gmail.com> Comments: In-reply-to "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel_Molina_Pascual?=" message dated "Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:04:35 +0100." Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:53:03 +0100 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Cc: chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FAQ Interactive, Are Video Games Good? A Non-Gamer's Perspective X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:51:19 -0000 "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel_Molina_Pascual?=" wrote: > I'm not a gamer today but I was a > moderate gamer during the late 80's and 90's. Aargh ! Please move subject from advocacy@freebsd.org to chat@freebsd.org Thanks. -- Julian Stacey: BSDUnixLinux C Prog Admin SysEng Consult Munich www.berklix.com