From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 30 19:41:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA394106566C for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:41:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-139.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-139.bluehost.com [67.222.39.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ACC758FC0A for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:41:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 10690 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jun 2008 19:14:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2008 19:14:44 -0000 Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KDOpo-0007b7-5B for freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:14:44 -0600 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:09:32 -0600 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:09:32 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <20080630190932.GB17413@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20080619154909.A1807@kozubik.com> <200806201158.m5KBwCFg056442@fire.js.berklix.net> <20080620120348.GA51329@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NDin8bjvE/0mNLFQ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080620120348.GA51329@freebie.xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} DomainKey-Status: no signature Cc: Subject: Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:41:27 -0000 --NDin8bjvE/0mNLFQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 02:03:48PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > Quoting Julian Stacey, who wrote on Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 01:58:12PM +0200= .. > > > From: John Kozubik > > > I'm not trying to discount thier efforts, but Adobe makes an honest t= o god > > > release version of flash for Linux, and FreeBSD runs linux binaries v= ery > >=20 > > "honest to god" !=3D Binary Crap ! > > No flash on my machines without public source, checkable for security. > > (Unless maybe run in a jail/chroot) >=20 > That is your view, others could very well be more pragmatic. I would rat= her > have the choice to have a *full working* binary-only Flash than what we= =20 > have now. While I completely sympathize with the desire for open source Flash support, and the desire to avoid binary-only Flash players, I also understand that sometimes the need for consistent, reliable Flash support must regrettably eclipse the desire for open source security vetting. Most people don't really *need* Flash support -- but once in a while, someone really *does* need that support to be able to achieve his or her business needs (for instance). >=20 > I appreciate that we would strongly prefer public source access, but I do= ubt > that will ever happen for Flash. I guess you also have not inspected the > full source of (say) OO for security flaws ;-) That's a spurious argument at best. One doesn't have to personally inspect all the source code of something to enjoy the security benefits of the open source development model. Either you're intentionally playing dumb to ridicule someone's desire for greater security benefits in his software choices, or you need to educate yourself: http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877-6064734.html --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Dennis Miller: "Bill Gates is a monocle and a Persian Cat away from being the villain in a James Bond movie." --NDin8bjvE/0mNLFQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkhpL2wACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKX3EACgn7UW2DZ1eA5mKfhxr8wH889R zHMAnjsOlZL+kJViWNCrAbhXqdbvOeI2 =2bJj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NDin8bjvE/0mNLFQ-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 3 09:38:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 046DE1065672 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 09:38:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mcmxvii@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C379D8FC16 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 09:38:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mcmxvii@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j4so432513wah.3 for ; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 02:38:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=C2YBabddgWs1F2zDOlCLBM054grl3ElJlfjt6yVfAVY=; b=sx9hz0xE7Y4GIqsNRPNjl8/6l7D1k65ufWGn5UMeKatuP4POTxkAFZFCqK/jFr4IPS cFKQCLIYY8J7ACYEPqis65yJ7hWJ9gGO6F9F27Dk51lNFuoYZhcsDDx70xaGHCxKKhB9 fQfYvhj+rFzXVjYKkzV0SlPhln2YJYfn9gGDE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=TFMK+R76H9XMQlO3v4/mqQ8POONBXVKIrmguuceHja/OMJHV+3dTcFUbPEpHYQ0bnC ynZb8RNoCaFGgYthodMDNwe8eyR+99rbyDsa8Os5Qrx7rk244aNNJh39sgHFdV2nWQIk 84CIiMW1Vk/9H0u/LyzZ75OKvixPAJcNPt5ro= Received: by 10.114.113.1 with SMTP id l1mr8041804wac.47.1215076161103; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 02:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.191.9 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 02:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9964e6660807030209l36119496kd4c7c96ee0770bb5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 13:09:21 +0400 From: "Nico Revin" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20080630190932.GB17413@kokopelli.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20080619154909.A1807@kozubik.com> <200806201158.m5KBwCFg056442@fire.js.berklix.net> <20080620120348.GA51329@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20080630190932.GB17413@kokopelli.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 09:38:56 -0000 Look at http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/ There's even Solaris on Sparc. Don't you find it unfair? I think it's not a big problem to port flash to freebsd. but it seems to me that soon flash will go opensource, as it is a modern trend to open the proprietary systems. That's the only explanation why there's flash for solaris but it's still none for bsd. -- Best regards, Nico Revin. +79191772773 http://koshak.blogspot.com From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 3 20:39:17 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7071F106566C for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 20:39:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-08.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-08.bluehost.com [69.89.17.208]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4D5858FC19 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 20:39:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 8602 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2008 20:39:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2008 20:39:16 -0000 Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KEVaG-0001Jv-GN for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:39:16 -0600 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 3 Jul 2008 14:33:59 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 14:33:59 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080703203359.GC59679@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <20080619154909.A1807@kozubik.com> <200806201158.m5KBwCFg056442@fire.js.berklix.net> <20080620120348.GA51329@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20080630190932.GB17413@kokopelli.hydra> <9964e6660807030209l36119496kd4c7c96ee0770bb5@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="4ZLFUWh1odzi/v6L" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9964e6660807030209l36119496kd4c7c96ee0770bb5@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} DomainKey-Status: no signature Subject: Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:39:17 -0000 --4ZLFUWh1odzi/v6L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jul 03, 2008 at 01:09:21PM +0400, Nico Revin wrote: > Look at http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/ >=20 > There's even Solaris on Sparc. Don't you find it unfair? I think it's not= a > big problem to port flash to freebsd. but it seems to me that soon flash > will go opensource, as it is a modern trend to open the proprietary syste= ms. > That's the only explanation why there's flash for solaris but it's still > none for bsd. Actually, a more probable explanation is simply that Sun -- as a monolithic economic power base in the form of a tech corporation -- has more influence with Adobe than what Adobe execs probably see (however inaccurately) as a fractious bunch of hobbyists. Opening up the source for the Flash player is the obvious choice, but it has been the obvious choice for a long time, and that hasn't swayed Adobe or Macromedia before it -- and the same can be said of the Adobe Acrobat viewer (except for the part about Macromedia). At this point, I'm not really prepared to make any predictions about whether either the Acrobat viewer or the Flash player will have its source opened in the foreseeable future. Adobe could go either way. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] They always say that when life gives you lemons you should make lemonade. I always wonder -- isn't the lemonade going to suck if life doesn't give you any sugar? --4ZLFUWh1odzi/v6L Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkhtN7cACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXfWgCdEbkSUfOjas2dXzoMsi90egp2 8aoAoPx+wLRM/YvJ98de0Aac5BaISO/W =UcHj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4ZLFUWh1odzi/v6L-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 4 11:21:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 414331065674 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 11:21:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0150B8FC24 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 11:21:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF6CD2049 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 13:02:23 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <20080619154909.A1807@kozubik.com> <200806201158.m5KBwCFg056442@fire.js.berklix.net> <20080620120348.GA51329@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20080630190932.GB17413@kokopelli.hydra> <9964e6660807030209l36119496kd4c7c96ee0770bb5@mail.gmail.com> <20080703203359.GC59679@kokopelli.hydra> Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 13:02:23 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20080703203359.GC59679@kokopelli.hydra> (Chad Perrin's message of "Thu\, 3 Jul 2008 14\:33\:59 -0600") Message-ID: <86k5g1hpz4.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:21:52 -0000 Chad Perrin writes: > Actually, a more probable explanation is simply that Sun -- as a > monolithic economic power base in the form of a tech corporation -- > has more influence with Adobe than what Adobe execs probably see > (however inaccurately) as a fractious bunch of hobbyists. That, or Sun paid them to port it. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 4 11:55:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E17F106567D for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 11:55:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rkramer@mweb.com) Received: from mwbmarshal.mweb.com (mwbmarshal.mweb.com [196.2.141.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B8568FC17 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 11:55:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rkramer@mweb.com) Received: from mwbfes1.mweb.com (Not Verified[196.2.141.73]) by mwbmarshal.mweb.com with NetIQ MailMarshal 6.0 Service Pack 1 (v6, 0, 3, 28) id ; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 13:41:06 +0200 Received: from MWBEXCH.mweb.com ([196.2.141.75]) by mwbfes1.mweb.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 4 Jul 2008 13:40:33 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 13:40:33 +0200 Message-ID: <39DC135F7F0571489196E0B6F5D58B4A03B45E8E@MWBEXCH.mweb.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bountyestablished... Thread-Index: AcjdyPz2WbVtBU8YSVOqWPsEIAQOLgAAbWnQ References: <20080619154909.A1807@kozubik.com><200806201158.m5KBwCFg056442@fire.js.berklix.net><20080620120348.GA51329@freebie.xs4all.nl><20080630190932.GB17413@kokopelli.hydra><9964e6660807030209l36119496kd4c7c96ee0770bb5@mail.gmail.com><20080703203359.GC59679@kokopelli.hydra> <86k5g1hpz4.fsf@ds4.des.no> From: "Rudi Kramer - MWEB" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2008 11:40:33.0405 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4BF1AD0:01C8DDCA] Subject: RE: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bountyestablished... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:55:45 -0000 > Chad Perrin writes: > > Actually, a more probable explanation is simply that Sun -- as a > > monolithic economic power base in the form of a tech corporation -- > > has more influence with Adobe than what Adobe execs probably see > > (however inaccurately) as a fractious bunch of hobbyists. >=20 > That, or Sun paid them to port it. So maybe someone should tell adobe about the bounty ;-) From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 5 19:23:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC2FD1065674 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 19:23:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-157.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-157.bluehost.com [67.222.39.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7BCD98FC19 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 19:23:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 12467 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2008 19:23:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy5.bluehost.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2008 19:23:36 -0000 Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KFDM8-0005BE-1F for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 13:23:36 -0600 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 5 Jul 2008 13:18:12 -0600 Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 13:18:12 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080705191812.GA61711@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <20080619154909.A1807@kozubik.com> <200806201158.m5KBwCFg056442@fire.js.berklix.net> <20080620120348.GA51329@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20080630190932.GB17413@kokopelli.hydra> <9964e6660807030209l36119496kd4c7c96ee0770bb5@mail.gmail.com> <20080703203359.GC59679@kokopelli.hydra> <86k5g1hpz4.fsf@ds4.des.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86k5g1hpz4.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} DomainKey-Status: no signature Subject: Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:23:37 -0000 --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jul 04, 2008 at 01:02:23PM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > Chad Perrin writes: > > Actually, a more probable explanation is simply that Sun -- as a > > monolithic economic power base in the form of a tech corporation -- > > has more influence with Adobe than what Adobe execs probably see > > (however inaccurately) as a fractious bunch of hobbyists. >=20 > That, or Sun paid them to port it. Well . . . I could make a case for that being covered by my suggestion, since I'd certainly classify paying someone to do something as having "influence". =2E . . but yeah, that could be the case. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Amazon.com interview candidate: "When C++ is your hammer, everything starts to look like your thumb." --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkhvyPQACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVRnACfdjpSicefNcrGMe2Gb1AUmlE1 usIAnA44l5/jIXTd1TjyLh4+UAMzZpQv =2B+1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 5 19:24:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9579106567D for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 19:24:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-139.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-139.bluehost.com [67.222.39.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8B5978FC15 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 19:24:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 12512 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2008 19:24:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2008 19:24:38 -0000 Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KFDN7-0005TX-M3 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 13:24:37 -0600 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 5 Jul 2008 13:19:14 -0600 Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 13:19:14 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080705191913.GB61711@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <86k5g1hpz4.fsf@ds4.des.no> <39DC135F7F0571489196E0B6F5D58B4A03B45E8E@MWBEXCH.mweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <39DC135F7F0571489196E0B6F5D58B4A03B45E8E@MWBEXCH.mweb.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} DomainKey-Status: no signature Subject: Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bountyestablished... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:24:38 -0000 --BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jul 04, 2008 at 01:40:33PM +0200, Rudi Kramer - MWEB wrote: > > Chad Perrin writes: > > > Actually, a more probable explanation is simply that Sun -- as a > > > monolithic economic power base in the form of a tech corporation -- > > > has more influence with Adobe than what Adobe execs probably see > > > (however inaccurately) as a fractious bunch of hobbyists. > >=20 > > That, or Sun paid them to port it. >=20 > So maybe someone should tell adobe about the bounty ;-) I wonder how much of a bounty it would take to get Amazon to release a FreeBSD version of the Flash player under the terms of the BSD license. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Nat Torkington, on Perl internals: ". . . an interconnected mass of livers and pancreas and lungs and little sharp pointy things and the occasional exploding kidney." --BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkhvyTEACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKW8GwCguswNjkfR64D7Z+x7gvzWnxwF SIcAoO5VWwV5D4LdkTqNC+gH4PqBYoFT =AK9e -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC--