From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 26 09:34:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A275810656DB for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:34:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reddvinylene@gmail.com) Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B8C58FC1E for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:34:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reddvinylene@gmail.com) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c30so2245826ika.3 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:34:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=b81IHTUcFfkA5nBNffxqzmSBbiQQMknEv4NfI8P0z8k=; b=kmY3VW/6A2TFS7kkBsgo0lDLlqEJ/1Lbf7y17oInG5iHftLqqIOVBnJ4xackbPi3GD 1wxHO20m8EppNj0plue9d8t+wV+m3opxwvLTTxip7J3qd2XjKpkKPk9GEauXgr/cZ4Sx iniXy8Wwu7mdeyPT1g+kghAe5d5HLeUXGj5OM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=lLRx/9jj6XAkQvzSU8KeSwuuR+zdEIAQ3SYtrEXnGLWBZkp+lVqzqUhmQLVYcCX5gY THsr5FlbahuAicSUwmK6lOImX++LsJhMI5Huc/+G1HHHRS+EWKxK0HvztiroHSxb5xrz FcGZJINx0iTVVkBWMHFETc/XSN8JzRxYaLP9Y= Received: by 10.187.168.15 with SMTP id v15mr449747fao.100.1219741263567; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.187.205.5 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:01:03 +0200 From: "Redd Vinylene" To: "Giorgos Keramidas" , questions@freebsd.org, bugs@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <87abf487wg.fsf@kobe.laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <87abf487wg.fsf@kobe.laptop> Cc: Subject: Re: I can't make world without the "games" group? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:34:12 -0000 On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:31:22 +0200, "Redd Vinylene" wrote: >> Why can't I make world without the "games" group? I run a serious >> server, not a kindergarten ;) >> >> I don't want the games group there, I just don't need it! > > Have you tried building with an src.conf file that includes: > > WITHOUT_GAMES='yes' > > It' not a matter of `kindergarten or not', but a matter of providing a > predictable `base system' by default and all the knob and documentation > to customize it at will. That's why you can find a lot of customization > options in the manpage of src.conf(5). > > For example, on a `production server' that is a bit limited in space, > and doesn't really need compilers, debuggers, profiling tools, or three > different firewalls, I would probably build with: > > WITHOUT_CVS=yes > WITHOUT_GAMES='yes' > WITHOUT_GCOV=yes > WITHOUT_GDB=yes > WITHOUT_IPFILTER=yes > WITHOUT_IPX=yes > WITHOUT_OBJC=yes > WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes > WITHOUT_SHAREDOCS=yes > > I would also use WITHOUT_TOOLCHAIN=yes during `make installworld' runs, > to skip installing all the gcc, g++ and debugger tools. > > The default `base system' still installs all these parts, but you are > definitely *not* obliged to always install all of them. > > - Giorgos > > Hello hello! Yeah I actually tried that, but I got the same error. I don't see why the FreeBSD team has to insist on keeping this, pardon my language, bullshit. If some sorry guy actually needs this, why can't he load it as a module, or install a port? To quote some Frenchman: "Perfection is achieved, not when there's nothing left to add, but when there's nothing left to take away." I worry slightly as I watch FreeBSD become bigger and bigger, fearing that some day it'll all come tumbling down! -- http://www.home.no/reddvinylene From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 26 13:08:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8589F1065670; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:08:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from weak.local (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB6D8FC12; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:08:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <48B40057.6080802@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:08:39 +0200 From: Kris Kennaway User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Redd Vinylene References: <87abf487wg.fsf@kobe.laptop> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: bugs@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I can't make world without the "games" group? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:08:45 -0000 Redd Vinylene wrote: > On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Giorgos Keramidas > wrote: >> On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:31:22 +0200, "Redd Vinylene" wrote: >>> Why can't I make world without the "games" group? I run a serious >>> server, not a kindergarten ;) >>> >>> I don't want the games group there, I just don't need it! >> Have you tried building with an src.conf file that includes: >> >> WITHOUT_GAMES='yes' >> >> It' not a matter of `kindergarten or not', but a matter of providing a >> predictable `base system' by default and all the knob and documentation >> to customize it at will. That's why you can find a lot of customization >> options in the manpage of src.conf(5). >> >> For example, on a `production server' that is a bit limited in space, >> and doesn't really need compilers, debuggers, profiling tools, or three >> different firewalls, I would probably build with: >> >> WITHOUT_CVS=yes >> WITHOUT_GAMES='yes' >> WITHOUT_GCOV=yes >> WITHOUT_GDB=yes >> WITHOUT_IPFILTER=yes >> WITHOUT_IPX=yes >> WITHOUT_OBJC=yes >> WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes >> WITHOUT_SHAREDOCS=yes >> >> I would also use WITHOUT_TOOLCHAIN=yes during `make installworld' runs, >> to skip installing all the gcc, g++ and debugger tools. >> >> The default `base system' still installs all these parts, but you are >> definitely *not* obliged to always install all of them. >> >> - Giorgos >> >> > > Hello hello! > > Yeah I actually tried that, but I got the same error. > > I don't see why the FreeBSD team has to insist on keeping this, pardon > my language, bullshit. If some sorry guy actually needs this, why > can't he load it as a module, or install a port? > > To quote some Frenchman: "Perfection is achieved, not when there's > nothing left to add, but when there's nothing left to take away." > > I worry slightly as I watch FreeBSD become bigger and bigger, fearing > that some day it'll all come tumbling down! > Try to relax and calm down a bit. The games user is a left-over remnant of something that has ALWAYS been part of BSD, but *was* already mostly removed from FreeBSD some years ago (the actual games are now in the ports tree). It is not some insidious creeping bloat that has been added while you weren't looking. Kris From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 29 13:53:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46BFF1065677 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:53:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DS@praxisvermittlung24.de) Received: from mail.sw-sec.de (mail.sw-sec.de [212.204.60.86]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA58D8FC17 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:53:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DS@praxisvermittlung24.de) Received: from [192.168.2.101] (p57982F19.dip.t-dialin.net [87.152.47.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.sw-sec.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id m7TDgt1v000570; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:42:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from DS@praxisvermittlung24.de) Message-ID: <48B7FCDA.8090008@praxisvermittlung24.de> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:42:50 +0200 From: Daniel Seuffert Organization: Seuffert & Waidmann User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Aron Schlesinger , Lars Engels , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Beat_G=E4tzi?= Subject: FreeBSD posters X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: DS@praxisvermittlung24.de List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:53:33 -0000 Dear people, I'm looking for posters or people willing to create posters I can print for events (I have a shiny big Epson machine now). Many visitors at variuos events in Europe have expressed desire and there a no posters available now. We have 2 drafts available at present: http://misc.allbsd.de/Poster/beastie_end.pdf (designed by Lars Engels aka lme@FreeBSD.org) http://misc.allbsd.de/Poster/FreeBSD-Blue-PosterA2.tif (designed by Aron Schlesinger) I would like to have at least 5-6 posters and I will produce a small series of 50 each to test which three of them sell best. Any contribution is appreciated! The posters will not be for sale or any shop, they will be distributed for a small fee covering the costs at events like Fosdem etc. If there's any surplus the money will be handed over to the FreeBSD foundation. Best regards, Daniel From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 29 16:02:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D14D106567E for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:02:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rodrigo@bebik.net) Received: from postfix2-g20.free.fr (postfix2-g20.free.fr [212.27.60.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6AAB8FC13 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:02:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rodrigo@bebik.net) Received: from smtp6-g19.free.fr (smtp6-g19.free.fr [212.27.42.36]) by postfix2-g20.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 172DF29A1BF6 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:21:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp6-g19.free.fr (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp6-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B7E11726B for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:21:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hodja.bebik.net (gam75-4-82-235-223-127.fbx.proxad.net [82.235.223.127]) by smtp6-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C52517242 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:21:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: by hodja.bebik.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id EE7412847B; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:21:50 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:21:50 +0200 From: "Rodrigo OSORIO (ros)" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080829152150.GA26697@hodja.bebik.net> References: <48B7FCDA.8090008@praxisvermittlung24.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <48B7FCDA.8090008@praxisvermittlung24.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Subject: Re: FreeBSD posters X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:02:08 -0000 Daniel, Dear all, A poster made by myself is also available for print in A3 format[3]. This format is not -really- expensive to order small series (at least 100). I have some yet printed so if someone -living not so far- need freeBSD posters, please contact me. And, please, don't ask me about the ans (instead of and) in the bottom ;) Other advocacy news : * A new BSD advocacy group called "BSDFrance" was created in france We don't really have a nice website, but a forum and a mailing list exists. website : http://www.freebsdfrance.fr wiki : http://wiki.freebsdfrance.fr * Next week takes place the "Braderie de Lille"[1] in the city of Lille[2] It's a very popular event in the nort of France, and many peoples comes to. During the event an Open Source village introduce users to the magic of Linux, and we are invited to join them, to demostrate how FreeBSD is cool :) So a bot camp will be there with some BSD enthousiastics. More informations : http://wiki.bsdfrance.fr/doku.php?id=braderie_de_lille_2008 Best regards Rodrigo OSORIO rodrigo {at{ bebik ]dot[ net [1] http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braderie_de_Lille [2] http://maps.google.fr/maps?f=q&hl=fr&geocode=&q=lille&ie=UTF8&z=12&iwloc=addr [3] http://www.bebik.net/freebsd/FreeBSDPoster.pdf On 29/08/08 15:42 +0200, Daniel Seuffert wrote: > Dear people, > > I'm looking for posters or people willing to create > posters I can print for events (I have a shiny big Epson > machine now). > > Many visitors at variuos events in Europe have expressed > desire and there a no posters available now. > > We have 2 drafts available at present: > > http://misc.allbsd.de/Poster/beastie_end.pdf > > (designed by Lars Engels aka lme@FreeBSD.org) > > http://misc.allbsd.de/Poster/FreeBSD-Blue-PosterA2.tif > > (designed by Aron Schlesinger) > > I would like to have at least 5-6 posters and I will > produce a small series of 50 each to test which three > of them sell best. > > Any contribution is appreciated! > > The posters will not be for sale or any shop, > they will be distributed for a small fee covering the costs > at events like Fosdem etc. > > If there's any surplus the money will be handed over to the > FreeBSD foundation. > > Best regards, Daniel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 30 13:37:17 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4FC1065682 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:37:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thisemailaddress@gmail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DC798FC0A for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:37:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thisemailaddress@gmail.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 6so459962eyi.7 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 06:37:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=zDFZ8pqUFYtt7cmxhO0zY8yOuzsBmCqOa5gx2p7ozRM=; b=fba5Y75KFnU5+N1Jm21Zunsp+dtnYDs/Eybnfm3DXZFRlIrbTCNxiSFoTyPz8PrwDh rt1gJAvcbft7Ltc4b625WnUNoqeHdVThHbSe30rkDbA3LmXVBw7YYB5CVIxd18tOCxTy rkW9hkzTmcqVg5VRHFbI3HcruouicHAiSdO7c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=g+SSHM7TsgJOaw1Q3t8XbsEZz01XGVBgZoR0kMQbfr6jUnK3HsA6hzuMFC4m3K4Lyj Zmc35aDFpKj7sFTdJaNc6A+j/DnhdY6g6mVNJ3Ym+FLCn3tOpA7A37l7hM3LhP9FpZEm Ud+PYYMgEjtcoxmartQy527frXieMdbGq5wZg= Received: by 10.210.71.12 with SMTP id t12mr3204875eba.146.1220101909432; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 06:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.17.1 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 06:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3dea2ce70808300611n49b28fd0i3d101ca46ccdd40c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 08:11:49 -0500 From: "thisemailaddress@gmail.com" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Anyone want BSDbox.org? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:37:18 -0000 I'm interested in seeing bsdbox.org put to good use. It's registered through 2013. If anyone has any ideas (and desire) to put it to use, let me know. Personally, I use Linux more than BSD now so I feel awkward. I'd rather it be used for community purposes or by a significant developer if used personally. NOTE: Contact me off the list (directly) if interested.