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I know about csup, portupgrade, etc., and I think they are great, but if you only have one app that you want to upgrade because it was buggy at a previous time, then it doesn't seem like a practical undertaking when you consider all of the other apps involved and the build times for things such as openoffice and kde. (Though I don't use the latter, I do know it's a long process.) So, do you simply fetch the ports skeleton manually and take it from there? This has been my approach and it works fine, but I was just curious if there are other ways people are using. If you want a specific example, an openoffice 2.3 snapshot that was out there right around the new year there was a glib error that was causing it to hang in a loop. A patch was created and I think it has now been submitted. So of course since all of my other software is running fine, I don't need/want to deal with getting it all updated. Thanks for any input. ~ Chris -- christopher From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 21 04:55:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD7C9106566B for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 04:55:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from mail17.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail17.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A87308FC0C for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 04:55:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: (qmail 11211 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2008 04:55:20 -0000 Received: from mxperim8.sea5.speakeasy.net ([69.17.117.73]) (envelope-sender ) by mail17.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 21 Apr 2008 04:55:20 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mxperim8.sea5.speakeasy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01588F7333; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:55:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mxperim8.sea5.speakeasy.net Received: from mxperim8.sea5.speakeasy.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mxperim8.sea5.speakeasy.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QkgxglhLUrgP; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from w16.stradamotorsports.com (dsl081-163-042.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.163.42]) by mxperim8.sea5.speakeasy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <480C1E3F.2020300@highperformance.net> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:55:27 -0700 From: "Jason C. Wells" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4pre (X11/20080205) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher References: <20080420211717.be366660.skeptikos@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20080420211717.be366660.skeptikos@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: port management practices X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 04:55:20 -0000 christopher wrote: > Hey, how does everyone manage their ports in terms of > keeping them up-to-date? I don't. It's too much work. I don't update ports for the duration of a major release's life. What ever ports came out for 6.3 (that's when I quit trying to manage ports) are typically what I am running. When 7.1 is released (I don't run x.0 releases) I will reinstall ports based on a homegrown script and a couple text files. My response is brief but I'll tell you I have tried everything. There was much suffering that went into my ports management method. I'm much happier now. I spend more time using my computers and less time maintaining them. The problem is non-trivial. I am curious how -ports folks maintain their sanity. That's a phenomena worth studying. Regards, Jason From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 21 05:02:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07DD1065671 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:02:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA0168FC21 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:02:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from flosoft.no-ip.biz (ool-435559b8.dyn.optonline.net [67.85.89.184]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0JZN00IN6SOAHXR0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 01:02:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flosoft.no-ip.biz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flosoft.no-ip.biz (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3L52X1v007415; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 01:02:34 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 01:02:28 -0400 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" In-reply-to: <480C1E3F.2020300@highperformance.net> To: "Jason C. Wells" Message-id: <480C1FE4.9050609@gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 References: <20080420211717.be366660.skeptikos@gmail.com> <480C1E3F.2020300@highperformance.net> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080413) Cc: christopher , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: port management practices X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:02:36 -0000 Jason C. Wells wrote: > christopher wrote: >> Hey, how does everyone manage their ports in terms of >> keeping them up-to-date? > > I don't. > > It's too much work. I don't update ports for the duration of a major > release's life. What ever ports came out for 6.3 (that's when I quit > trying to manage ports) are typically what I am running. When 7.1 is > released (I don't run x.0 releases) I will reinstall ports based on a > homegrown script and a couple text files. > > My response is brief but I'll tell you I have tried everything. There > was much suffering that went into my ports management method. I'm much > happier now. I spend more time using my computers and less time > maintaining them. > > The problem is non-trivial. I am curious how -ports folks maintain > their sanity. That's a phenomena worth studying. There is a lot of work/buzz about redoing major portions of the ports system to make it easier to work with and faster to do upgrades see http://wiki.freebsd.org/PortsToDo and do some googling for "ports 2.0" > > Regards, > Jason > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 21 05:03:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF54D1065675 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:03:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 668448FC22 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:03:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from flosoft.no-ip.biz (ool-435559b8.dyn.optonline.net [67.85.89.184]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0JZN00EJ9RBZDBV0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 00:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flosoft.no-ip.biz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flosoft.no-ip.biz (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3L4XYxP048738; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 00:33:35 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 00:33:29 -0400 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" In-reply-to: <20080420211717.be366660.skeptikos@gmail.com> To: christopher Message-id: <480C1919.4030607@gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 References: <20080420211717.be366660.skeptikos@gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080413) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: port management practices X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:03:36 -0000 christopher wrote: > Hey, how does everyone manage their ports in terms of > keeping them up-to-date? > > I know about csup, portupgrade, etc., and I think > they are great, but if you only have one app that you > want to upgrade because it was buggy at a previous > time, then it doesn't seem like a practical undertaking > when you consider all of the other apps involved and > the build times for things such as openoffice and kde. > (Though I don't use the latter, I do know it's a long > process.) > > So, do you simply fetch the ports skeleton manually and > take it from there? This has been my approach and it > works fine, but I was just curious if there are other > ways people are using. > > If you want a specific example, an openoffice 2.3 > snapshot that was out there right around the new year > there was a glib error that was causing it to hang in a > loop. A patch was created and I think it has now been > submitted. So of course since all of my other software > is running fine, I don't need/want to deal with getting > it all updated. > > Thanks for any input. ~ Chris > > A very simple solution is use csup to update your ports tree (I know this is time consuming but it is the only safe way) and then use portupgrade on per package basis (portupgrade cat/port .. ex portupgrade www/firefox) that will rebuild any dependand ports also vs. just using fetch and/or make deinstall distclean install From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 22 15:34:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBCE11065677 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:34:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bri@brianwhalen.net) Received: from entwistle.sonicboom.org (entwistle.sonicboom.org [66.93.34.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AA088FC12 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:34:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bri@brianwhalen.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dsl093-034-235.snd1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.93.34.235]) by entwistle.sonicboom.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3MF21w8031956 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:02:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bri@brianwhalen.net) Message-ID: <480DFDEE.5020303@brianwhalen.net> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:02:06 -0700 From: Brian User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <20080420211717.be366660.skeptikos@gmail.com> <480C1E3F.2020300@highperformance.net> In-Reply-To: <480C1E3F.2020300@highperformance.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: port management practices X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:34:47 -0000 Jason C. Wells wrote: > I don't. > > It's too much work. I don't update ports for the duration of a major > release's life. What ever ports came out for 6.3 (that's when I quit > trying to manage ports) are typically what I am running. When 7.1 is > released (I don't run x.0 releases) I will reinstall ports based on a > homegrown script and a couple text files. > > My response is brief but I'll tell you I have tried everything. There > was much suffering that went into my ports management method. I'm much > happier now. I spend more time using my computers and less time > maintaining them. > > The problem is non-trivial. I am curious how -ports folks maintain > their sanity. That's a phenomena worth studying. > > Regards, > Jason > > I suppose this is relative to the number of ports installed, but it really isnt that difficult under normal circumstances. If you have one that needs to be treated differently, then ask why does it indeed to be treated differently and is it worth it. Over the last few years, I have had very few problems where portsnap followed by portupgrade didn't work. The dependency problems are the toughest, the last one of those I had I fixed with portmanager. For me, a goal worth pursuing is to make it easier, so you don't need to be a longterm user to figure out how to easily update system and/or ports, it should be a little easier AND apparent; even Microsoft and Redhat tell you when there are updates to be applied. Brian From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 22 16:12:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0E371065672 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:12:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from skeptikos@gmail.com) Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7656F8FC17 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:12:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from skeptikos@gmail.com) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so868257ele.8 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:12:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8UHxRVoJaMZ63uWgTVG/Wpn7ZyC3nIJGv/3awJfhqqE=; b=uEsBebpYXZpVW/+aTKE43ch4MOxnWkldga/nLVUELvNndWF4vipJQRTojpdRj5FtA+7D33mzpEgSle706WtJWBmu+jrQIxTLYXdLPO7H8Edr2Q+Zfv8FZyewy1tIhPYRjeYdceoSNTKEOylY0xZ6vQyFyfZIEtMi+6Xe0CxBTRQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=uS1uivqhXdstK3jMigc2cV0un+fg1y+N+I+6OU2+M8yTFl3xG3RxNpqUuukqhfweDEDhbdlS/5OWFg8q68VYfGmBXgMESLhbDIjlvCuPjX33ldzFQ5qgaeZ52qHfk77bvUeod0/va9COlluTl557mpzgho5Z8K9Bkwmhh14clhA= Received: by 10.141.79.12 with SMTP id g12mr268218rvl.87.1208880756040; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:12:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ( [70.162.19.132]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f21sm8181796rvb.0.2008.04.22.09.12.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:12:45 -0700 From: christopher To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20080422091245.818e3e86.skeptikos@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <480DFDEE.5020303@brianwhalen.net> References: <20080420211717.be366660.skeptikos@gmail.com> <480C1E3F.2020300@highperformance.net> <480DFDEE.5020303@brianwhalen.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: port management practices X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:12:37 -0000 On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:02:06 -0700 Brian wrote: > Jason C. Wells wrote: > > I don't. > > > > It's too much work. I don't update ports for the duration of a > I suppose this is relative to the number of ports installed, but it > really isnt that difficult under normal circumstances. If you have one > that needs to be treated differently, then ask why does it indeed to be > treated differently and is it worth it. Over the last few years, I have > had very few problems where portsnap followed by portupgrade didn't > work. The dependency problems are the toughest, the last one of those > I had I fixed with portmanager. For me, a goal worth pursuing is to > make it easier, so you don't need to be a longterm user to figure out > how to easily update system and/or ports, it should be a little easier > AND apparent; even Microsoft and Redhat tell you when there are updates > to be applied. I've kind of taken to the same practice as Jason by sticking with things once my system is up and running. It worked for me very well and it kept me with 5.4 for quite a long time. When I did do upgrades, I actually reinstalled them all by doing pkg_delete -a. I checked out the ports TODO, and there were some interesting things there, but nothing topical for my original query. I finally upgraded to 7.0, and that's when I ran into just the one issue with openoffice, actually cups is still giving me some issues, but that's not as vital. I use my system as a desktop, so there is gimp, openoffice, kde (for when my gf needs to use my computer), inkscape and a bunch of multimedia stuff. Some people say that FreeBSD isn't good, nor intended to be run as a desktop, but I am actually quite happy with it ~ Chris -- christopher From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 22 22:42:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4476F1065675 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:42:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ravna@nerdshack.com) Received: from smtprelay08.ispgateway.de (smtprelay08.ispgateway.de [80.67.29.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D2F18FC5D for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:42:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ravna@nerdshack.com) Received: from [91.18.90.71] (helo=Toy.Firlefanz.org) by smtprelay08.ispgateway.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JoQzq-0000MU-M7 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:29:54 +0200 Message-ID: <480E66DD.4040008@nerdshack.com> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:29:49 +0200 From: Ravna User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <20080420211717.be366660.skeptikos@gmail.com> <480C1E3F.2020300@highperformance.net> <480DFDEE.5020303@brianwhalen.net> In-Reply-To: <480DFDEE.5020303@brianwhalen.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Df-Sender: 501592 Subject: Re: port management practices X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:42:34 -0000 It's my philosophy, that a little each day, is better than lots, once in a while. Cron updates my ports tree every night and does a "portupgrade -a" after that. The output is saved to a file, so I can deal with problems. I do a "buildworld/buildkernel" every week, if there are changes in the source. Nothing has ever been older than a few days. I don't see why my box should be bored while I'm asleep. It's always on, anyway. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 22 23:08:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B18C5106566B for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:08:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fullermd@over-yonder.net) Received: from thyme.infocus-llc.com (server.infocus-llc.com [206.156.254.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95CDE8FC27 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:08:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fullermd@over-yonder.net) Received: from draco.over-yonder.net (adsl-147-233-204.jan.bellsouth.net [72.147.233.204]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by thyme.infocus-llc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 511CB37B47D; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:49:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: by draco.over-yonder.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id 06F4861C41; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:49:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:49:56 -0500 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: christopher Message-ID: <20080422224956.GV67042@over-yonder.net> References: <20080420211717.be366660.skeptikos@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080420211717.be366660.skeptikos@gmail.com> X-Editor: vi X-OS: FreeBSD User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17-fullermd.4 (2007-11-01) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on thyme.infocus-llc.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: port management practices X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:08:58 -0000 On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 09:17:17PM -0700 I heard the voice of christopher, and lo! it spake thus: > > I know about csup, portupgrade, etc., and I think they are great, > but if you only have one app that you want to upgrade because it was > buggy at a previous time, then it doesn't seem like a practical > undertaking when you consider all of the other apps involved and the > build times for things such as openoffice and kde. But it's usually not necessary to rebuild all the other apps. Certainly the deeper you go into dependancies, the greater the risk of downstream impact; a lot of things depend on libX11, so updating that may require rebuilding a lot of things. But the closer you get to the leaves, the less the issue is. I'm fairly sure I've *NEVER* used 'portupgrade -a'. I always use portversion to spit out the list of outdated things, and pick and choose what I update when. Wine takes a long time to build, so I usually hold that off 'till I don't mind nailing the system up for an hour or so. Some things I have local patches to, so I do them manually later. Deeper bits with a lot of things depending on them I save until I'll have a bit of time to deal with potential fallout (which is surprisingly rare, considering the complexity of the system; a great testament to the work of the maintainers). A lot of things I just drop into the todo list and fire off whenever they come up. I've had hiccups and oopses, but on the whole, it works very smoothly, and has for many years on many systems. I always hear these horror stories from people, but they keep obstinately refusing to happen to me. Life's rough sometimes 8-} -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Systems/Network Administrator | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/ On the Internet, nobody can hear you scream. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 23 03:04:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E1D1065678 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 03:04:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from skeptikos@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D958FC1C for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 03:04:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from skeptikos@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 50so1413916wra.13 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:04:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3DR1f4CWgi1rq7kbB/1ong/SbSbb/O8kVf1IMP0LG5o=; b=OPbug9cTt1vnq4DOwiYkGUPzYT/m1ywV/ddFQkEe59EprVFzZ5/n+XZkQrmz8byjEw04p4knNyCMgdu5EX8E8ELQoVsReEtRd+diH0w5LQwfL2msNukw0dpLYAHMG8BGgCTvRy6PpQru63tpA4sJ27FsrTNmEn+LPTEW60Gl+sQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=O2EQF6TYvfJYZaj3od+g4uDqSOKTdEbsV2oiuvlORPFTWID7+m4blNOGie5CKw3aN33jQj0QhaBLX2uUdz9cLOpsxzf5t0FmiEdB0RDtHJwSPPhwOqR0JGeDVeEeFIeo59nCrFzhdDGy3uMd+EkfYkHQ7hQ/uB2mx7GUkYFxmAU= Received: by 10.141.74.17 with SMTP id b17mr253429rvl.113.1208919849064; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:04:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ( [70.162.19.132]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g31sm9258382rvb.7.2008.04.22.20.04.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:04:18 -0700 From: christopher To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20080422200418.6afcdc84.skeptikos@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <480E66DD.4040008@nerdshack.com> References: <20080420211717.be366660.skeptikos@gmail.com> <480C1E3F.2020300@highperformance.net> <480DFDEE.5020303@brianwhalen.net> <480E66DD.4040008@nerdshack.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: port management practices X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 03:04:11 -0000 On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:29:49 +0200 Ravna wrote: > It's my philosophy, that a little each day, is better than lots, once in > a while. > Cron updates my ports tree every night and does a "portupgrade -a" > after that. > The output is saved to a file, so I can deal with problems. > I do a "buildworld/buildkernel" every week, if there are changes in the > source. Wow, that's bold. I have to say, that while it seems to make sense, I'm pretty scared of trying it out. I would hate to think that I wake up and openoffice doesn't work for the paper I have to write. One of these days when I get an extra machine up and running, I'll be sure to try it though. -- christopher From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 23 13:24:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D938106564A for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:24:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bri@brianwhalen.net) Received: from entwistle.sonicboom.org (entwistle.sonicboom.org [66.93.34.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D0EE8FC0A for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:24:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bri@brianwhalen.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (cele.sonicboom.org [66.93.34.172]) by entwistle.sonicboom.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3NDOVWD064479 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:24:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bri@brianwhalen.net) Message-ID: <480F388D.8060108@brianwhalen.net> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:24:29 -0700 From: Brian User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <20080420211717.be366660.skeptikos@gmail.com> <480C1E3F.2020300@highperformance.net> <480DFDEE.5020303@brianwhalen.net> <480E66DD.4040008@nerdshack.com> In-Reply-To: <480E66DD.4040008@nerdshack.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: port management practices X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:24:46 -0000 Ravna wrote: > It's my philosophy, that a little each day, is better than lots, once > in a while. > Cron updates my ports tree every night and does a "portupgrade -a" > after that. > The output is saved to a file, so I can deal with problems. > I do a "buildworld/buildkernel" every week, if there are changes in > the source. > Nothing has ever been older than a few days. > I don't see why my box should be bored while I'm asleep. > It's always on, anyway. > What I am wondering re the above is how to cope with the ports that allow you to select options, I wouldn't cron this for that reason alone. I could see cronning the retrieval, but not the actual portupgrade. Brian From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 23 17:08:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0B5106566B for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:08:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thierry@pompo.net) Received: from emma.lautre.net (emma.lautre.net [80.67.160.69]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C54C48FC38 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:08:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thierry@pompo.net) Received: by graf.pompo.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CB2AF11464; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:43:15 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:43:15 +0200 From: Thierry Thomas To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080423164315.GH59841@graf.pompo.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <20080420211717.be366660.skeptikos@gmail.com> <480C1E3F.2020300@highperformance.net> <480DFDEE.5020303@brianwhalen.net> <480E66DD.4040008@nerdshack.com> <480F388D.8060108@brianwhalen.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <480F388D.8060108@brianwhalen.net> X-Face: (hRbQnK~Pt7$ct`!fupO(`y_WL4^-Iwn4@ly-.,[4xC4xc; y=\ipKMNm<1J>lv@PP~7Z<.t KjAnXLs: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.0-PRERELEASE i386 Organization: Kabbale Eros X-PGP: 0xC71405A2 Subject: Re: port management practices X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:08:36 -0000 Le Mer 23 avr 08 à 15:24:29 +0200, Brian écrivait : > What I am wondering re the above is how to cope with the ports that > allow you to select options, I wouldn't cron this for that reason > alone. I could see cronning the retrieval, but not the actual > portupgrade. You could run in batch mode (BATCH=yes) and set the requested options in /usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf (see MAKE_ARGS). -- Th. Thomas.