From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 29 17:35:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDD0D1065677 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:35:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nick@van-laarhoven.org) Received: from cpsmtpo-eml01.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpo-eml01.KPNXCHANGE.COM [213.75.38.150]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 728058FC1D for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:35:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nick@van-laarhoven.org) Received: from hpsmtp-eml06.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.38.106]) by cpsmtpo-eml01.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:23:22 +0100 Received: from uitsmijter.van-laarhoven.org ([81.207.207.222]) by hpsmtp-eml06.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:23:21 +0100 Received: (qmail 62562 invoked by uid 98); 29 Oct 2008 17:23:21 -0000 Received: from 89.200.106.43 (nick@89.200.106.43) by uitsmijter.van-laarhoven.org (envelope-from , uid 82) with qmail-scanner-2.01 (clamdscan: 0.92/5270. f-prot: 4.6.7/3.16.15. spamassassin: 3.2.3. 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Processed in 9.893133 secs); 29 Oct 2008 17:23:21 -0000 X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.4 required=5.0 X-Spam-Level: ++++ Received: from unknown (HELO van-laarhoven.org) (nick@89.200.106.43) by uitsmijter.van-laarhoven.org with SMTP; 29 Oct 2008 17:23:10 -0000 Received: (nullmailer pid 1964 invoked by uid 1001); Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:23:04 -0000 From: Nick Hibma To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:23:03 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <200810290808.m9T88tDD016760@svn.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <200810290808.m9T88tDD016760@svn.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200810291823.04066.nick@van-laarhoven.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2008 17:23:21.0907 (UTC) FILETIME=[0ADC3030:01C939EB] Cc: Subject: Re: svn commit: r184436 - head/sys/dev/usb X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:35:43 -0000 Just in case anyone was wondering whether this mobile office UMTS/HSDPA rubbish actually works: The commit below was done while in the train pulling into Hilversum. I am writing this message again while in the train, after updating the page on http://people.freebsd.org/~n_hibma/u3g.html mentioning the fact that the driver actually works on FreeBSD 6-STABLE if ucom.c is patched with the patch given there, using ssh with decent latency. Not that anyone cares, really. Nick > Author: n_hibma > Date: Wed Oct 29 08:08:55 2008 > New Revision: 184436 > URL: http://svn.freebsd.org/changeset/base/184436 > > Log: > Add the device ID for the mass storage device that appears before the > modem appears to facilitate faster switching to modem mode. > > Modified: > head/sys/dev/usb/u3g.c > head/sys/dev/usb/usbdevs > > Modified: head/sys/dev/usb/u3g.c > ========================================================================= >===== --- head/sys/dev/usb/u3g.c Wed Oct 29 07:16:49 2008 (r184435) > +++ head/sys/dev/usb/u3g.c Wed Oct 29 08:08:55 2008 (r184436) > @@ -51,14 +51,12 @@ > #endif > #include "usbdevs.h" > > -//#define U3G_DEBUG > +#define U3G_DEBUG > #ifdef U3G_DEBUG > #define DPRINTF(x...) do { if (u3gdebug) device_printf(sc->sc_dev, > ##x); } while (0) -#define DPRINTFN(n, x...) do { if (u3gdebug > (n)) > device_printf(self, ##x); } while (0) int u3gdebug = 1; > #else > #define DPRINTF(x...) /* nop */ > -#define DPRINTFN(n, x...) /* nop */ > #endif > > #define U3G_MAXPORTS 4 > @@ -135,7 +133,8 @@ static const struct u3g_dev_type_s u3g_d > {{ USB_VENDOR_OPTION, USB_PRODUCT_OPTION_GTMAXHSUPA > }, U3GSP_HSDPA, U3GFL_NONE }, {{ USB_VENDOR_OPTION, > USB_PRODUCT_OPTION_VODAFONEMC3G }, U3GSP_UMTS, U3GFL_NONE }, /* OEM: > Qualcomm, Inc. */ > - {{ USB_VENDOR_QUALCOMMINC, USB_PRODUCT_QUALCOMMINC_CDMA_MSM > }, U3GSP_CDMA, U3GFL_STUB_WAIT }, + {{ USB_VENDOR_QUALCOMMINC, > USB_PRODUCT_QUALCOMMINC_ZTE_STOR }, U3GSP_CDMA, U3GFL_SCSI_EJECT }, + {{ > USB_VENDOR_QUALCOMMINC, USB_PRODUCT_QUALCOMMINC_CDMA_MSM > }, U3GSP_CDMA, U3GFL_SCSI_EJECT }, /* OEM: Huawei */ > {{ USB_VENDOR_HUAWEI, USB_PRODUCT_HUAWEI_MOBILE > }, U3GSP_HSDPA, U3GFL_HUAWEI_INIT }, {{ USB_VENDOR_HUAWEI, > USB_PRODUCT_HUAWEI_E220 }, U3GSP_HSPA, U3GFL_HUAWEI_INIT }, > > Modified: head/sys/dev/usb/usbdevs > ========================================================================= >===== --- head/sys/dev/usb/usbdevs Wed Oct 29 07:16:49 2008 (r184435) > +++ head/sys/dev/usb/usbdevs Wed Oct 29 08:08:55 2008 (r184436) > @@ -1996,6 +1996,7 @@ product QUALCOMM CDMA_MSM 0x6000 CDMA Te > product QUALCOMM2 RWT_FCT 0x3100 RWT FCT-CDMA 2000 1xRTT modem > product QUALCOMM2 CDMA_MSM 0x3196 CDMA Technologies MSM modem > product QUALCOMMINC CDMA_MSM 0x0001 CDMA Technologies MSM modem > +product QUALCOMMINC ZTE_STOR 0x2000 USB ZTE Storage > > /* Qtronix products */ > product QTRONIX 980N 0x2011 Scorpion-980N keyboard > _______________________________________________ > svn-src-all@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/svn-src-all > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "svn-src-all-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 29 20:18:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4318C1065675 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:18:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from randi@freebsdgirl.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B17288FC25 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:18:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from randi@freebsdgirl.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so125925qwb.7 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:18:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.214.148.17 with SMTP id v17mr2785535qad.319.1225309706309; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.215.67.15 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <759b191a0810291248w6fdda8e5ifd61e700d69a079e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:48:26 -0700 From: "Randi Harper" Sender: randi@freebsdgirl.com To: "Nick Hibma" In-Reply-To: <200810291823.04066.nick@van-laarhoven.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200810290808.m9T88tDD016760@svn.freebsd.org> <200810291823.04066.nick@van-laarhoven.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: f9512beb799ec33e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r184436 - head/sys/dev/usb X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:18:47 -0000 Huh. I'd never heard of u3g before. What kind of speed are you seeing? Just out of curiosity, how does it compare to ubsa? I added support for my novatel to ubsa a few months ago, but it's impossible to get true 3g speeds out of it. I didn't do enough research into the issue to see if it was a ubsa or ucom limitation. What does the ucom patch do? I'm not familiar with ucom code, not that I'm much of a developer in the first place. :) Randi From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 30 01:16:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDFEA1065693 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 01:16:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from delphij@delphij.net) Received: from tarsier.delphij.net (delphij-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:2c9::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 747838FC19 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 01:16:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from delphij@delphij.net) Received: from tarsier.geekcn.org (tarsier.geekcn.org [211.166.10.233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by tarsier.delphij.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CEEE28449 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:16:10 +0800 (CST) Received: from localhost (tarsier.geekcn.org [211.166.10.233]) by tarsier.geekcn.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22157EB9435; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:16:10 +0800 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at geekcn.org Received: from tarsier.geekcn.org ([211.166.10.233]) by localhost (mail.geekcn.org [211.166.10.233]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YcvbhiBrjL4C; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:16:04 +0800 (CST) Received: from charlie.delphij.net (adsl-76-237-33-62.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net [76.237.33.62]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by tarsier.geekcn.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EE08AEB0958; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:16:03 +0800 (CST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=default; d=delphij.net; c=nofws; q=dns; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:organization:user-agent: mime-version:to:subject:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=d9zN5AbMUhTBZh7nD+iHeDKyrqLax5bQ7fHsSqOcXQCHCfoJCh7/gol/WO6MkI/I/ ibjk1SBYTyuxMOAIRt3tQ== Message-ID: <49090ACE.9000604@delphij.net> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:15:58 -0700 From: Xin LI Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080928) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: id=18EDEBA0; url=http://www.delphij.net/delphij.asc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Would Linux exist without the Internet? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: d@delphij.net List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 01:16:11 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have read an interesting article titled "Would The Internet Exist Without Linux?" http://www.pcmech.com/article/would-the-internet-exist-without-linux/ Would Linux exist without the Internet? :) - -- Xin LI http://www.delphij.net/ FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkJCs4ACgkQi+vbBBjt66BX7wCgjSEIBNsyg2WLAiV5O4oMVOKr ixYAoK7qO0ZJLONyeNX2va/BMcLwWhWL =W0WX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 30 01:40:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BFE9106568A for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 01:40:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) Received: from iron1.sfsu.edu (iron1.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F26648FC18 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 01:40:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) X-Inbound-SFSU: False X-onepass: IPPSC X-From-SFSU: True X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAMetCEmC1Apk/2dsb2JhbADCXQEJBYYhhBCCVTNJgTI Received: from smtp01.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.100]) by iron1.sfsu.edu with ESMTP; 29 Oct 2008 18:40:53 -0700 Received: from libra.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.238]) by mail05a.sfsu.edu (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.3FP1HF371) with ESMTP id 2008102918405162-53 ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:40:51 -0700 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:40:51 -0700 (PDT) From: KAYVEN RIESE To: d@delphij.net In-Reply-To: <49090ACE.9000604@delphij.net> Message-ID: References: <49090ACE.9000604@delphij.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on MAIL05a/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3FP1HF371 | October 17, 2008) at 10/29/2008 18:40:51, Serialize by Router on SMTP01/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3HF378 | February 28, 2008) at 10/29/2008 18:40:53, Serialize complete at 10/29/2008 18:40:53 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Would Linux exist without the Internet? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 01:40:54 -0000 On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Xin LI wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I have read an interesting article titled "Would The Internet Exist > Without Linux?" > > http://www.pcmech.com/article/would-the-internet-exist-without-linux/ > > Would Linux exist without the Internet? :) 1969 Bell Labs 1st | 1973 5th | 1976 6th | 1977 BSD 1 , , /( )` \ \__ / | /- _ `-/ ' (/\/ \ \ /\ / / | ` \ O O ) | `-^--'`< ' (_.) _ ) / `.___/` / `-----' / <----. __ / __ \ <----|====O)))==) \) /==== <----' `--' `.__,' \ | | \ / ____( (_ / \______ ,' ,----' | \ `--{__________) 1978 BSD 2 1979 BSD 3 BSD 4.0 1981 BSD 4.1 1982 BSD 4.1a BSD 2.8 1983 BSD 4.1c BSD 2.9 1984 BSD 4.2 1986 BSD 4.3 1987 BSD 2.10 1988 BSD 4.3-Tahoe 1989 BSD 2.11 Net 1 BSD 4.3-Reno Net 2 1992 386BSD NetBSD 0.8 FreeBSD 1.0 BSDI 1.0 1993.. LINUX 1994 BSD 4.4 BSD 4.4 Lite-1 1995 FreeBSD 2.0 BSD 4.4 Lite-2 BSDI 2.0 Who wants to continue this? This is as far as Figure 1.1 UnIX system family tree, 1969-1985 (edited for BSD) Figure 1.2 UNIX system family tree (edited for BSD/Linux) 1986-1996 from "the Design and Implementation of the 4.4 BSD Operating System" by Marshall Kirk McKusick, Keith Bostic, Michael J. Karels, and John Quarterman, Addison Wesley Boston San Francisco etc. ISBN 0201549794 pp 5-6 goes. > > - -- > Xin LI http://www.delphij.net/ > FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkkJCs4ACgkQi+vbBBjt66BX7wCgjSEIBNsyg2WLAiV5O4oMVOKr > ixYAoK7qO0ZJLONyeNX2va/BMcLwWhWL > =W0WX > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 30 01:47:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD2D106564A for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 01:47:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) Received: from iron3.sfsu.edu (iron3.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.128]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D2488FC14 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 01:47:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) X-Inbound-SFSU: False X-onepass: IPPSC X-From-SFSU: True X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEABypCEmC1Apk/2dsb2JhbADCewEJBYYehBCCVTNJgTI Received: from smtp01.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.100]) by iron3.sfsu.edu with ESMTP; 29 Oct 2008 18:47:48 -0700 Received: from libra.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.238]) by mail05a.sfsu.edu (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.3FP1HF371) with ESMTP id 2008102918474736-54 ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:47:47 -0700 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:47:47 -0700 (PDT) From: KAYVEN RIESE cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <49090ACE.9000604@delphij.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on MAIL05a/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3FP1HF371 | October 17, 2008) at 10/29/2008 18:47:47, Serialize by Router on SMTP01/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3HF378 | February 28, 2008) at 10/29/2008 18:47:48, Serialize complete at 10/29/2008 18:47:48 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: Would Linux exist without the Internet? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 01:47:49 -0000 On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, KAYVEN RIESE wrote: > On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Xin LI wrote: > >> I have read an interesting article titled "Would The Internet Exist >> Without Linux?" >> >> http://www.pcmech.com/article/would-the-internet-exist-without-linux/ >> >> Would Linux exist without the Internet? :) > > > 1969 Bell Labs > 1st > | > 1973 5th > | > 1976 6th > | > 1977 > > BSD 1 > , , > /( )` > \ \__ / | > /- _ `-/ ' > (/\/ \ \ /\ > / / | ` \ > O O ) | > `-^--'`< ' > (_.) _ ) / > `.___/` / > `-----' / > <----. __ / __ \ > <----|====O)))==) \) /==== > <----' `--' `.__,' \ > | | > \ / > ____( (_ / \______ > ,' ,----' | \ > `--{__________) > > > 1978 BSD 2 > 1979 BSD 3 > BSD 4.0 > 1981 BSD 4.1 > 1982 BSD 4.1a > BSD 2.8 > 1983 BSD 4.1c > BSD 2.9 > 1984 BSD 4.2 > 1986 BSD 4.3 > 1987 BSD 2.10 > 1988 BSD 4.3-Tahoe > 1989 BSD 2.11 > Net 1 > BSD 4.3-Reno > Net 2 > 1992 386BSD > NetBSD 0.8 > FreeBSD 1.0 > BSDI 1.0 > 1993.. LINUX > 1994 BSD 4.4 > BSD 4.4 Lite-1 > 1995 FreeBSD 2.0 > BSD 4.4 Lite-2 > BSDI 2.0 > Who wants to continue this? This is as far as > Figure 1.1 UnIX system family tree, 1969-1985 (edited for BSD) > Figure 1.2 UNIX system family tree (edited for BSD/Linux) 1986-1996 > > from "the Design and Implementation of the 4.4 BSD Operating System" > by Marshall Kirk McKusick, Keith Bostic, Michael J. Karels, and John > Quarterman, Addison Wesley Boston San Francisco etc. ISBN 0201549794 > pp 5-6 goes. Oh silly me. I should have just included this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Unix_history-simple.svg > >> >> - -- >> Xin LI http://www.delphij.net/ >> FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAkkJCs4ACgkQi+vbBBjt66BX7wCgjSEIBNsyg2WLAiV5O4oMVOKr >> ixYAoK7qO0ZJLONyeNX2va/BMcLwWhWL >> =W0WX >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > *----------------------------------------------------------* > Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) > (415) 902 5513 cellular > http://kayve.net > Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org > *----------------------------------------------------------* > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 30 08:39:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50D4D1065672 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:39:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nick@van-laarhoven.org) Received: from hpsmtp-eml20.kpnxchange.com (hpsmtp-eml20.KPNXCHANGE.COM [213.75.38.85]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D805D8FC19 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:39:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nick@van-laarhoven.org) Received: from cpsmtpi-eml04.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.38.134]) by hpsmtp-eml20.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:39:02 +0100 Received: from uitsmijter.van-laarhoven.org ([81.207.207.222]) by cpsmtpi-eml04.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:39:01 +0100 Received: (qmail 68917 invoked by uid 98); 30 Oct 2008 08:39:01 -0000 Received: from 10.66.0.135 (nick@10.66.0.135) by uitsmijter.van-laarhoven.org (envelope-from , uid 82) with qmail-scanner-2.01 (clamdscan: 0.92/5270. f-prot: 4.6.7/3.16.15. spamassassin: 3.2.3. 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Processed in 0.782965 secs); 30 Oct 2008 08:39:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO van-laarhoven.org) (nick@10.66.0.135) by uitsmijter.van-laarhoven.org with SMTP; 30 Oct 2008 08:39:00 -0000 Received: (nullmailer pid 2064 invoked by uid 1001); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:38:59 -0000 From: Nick Hibma To: svn-src-all@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:38:57 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <200810300832.m9U8WInO045752@svn.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <200810300832.m9U8WInO045752@svn.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200810300938.58420.nick@van-laarhoven.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2008 08:39:01.0689 (UTC) FILETIME=[F585A290:01C93A6A] Cc: FreeBSD STABLE Mailing List , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r184466 - head/sys/dev/usb X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:39:04 -0000 Folks, Just to preempt people suggesting that I committed into the wrong tree: I didn't. FBSD 6 is still locked down. To keep things simple I keep one version of the driver in CURRENT which works on FBSD CURRENT, 7, and 6. See http://people.freebsd.org/~n_hibma/u3g.html for more info on how to use the driver in various versions of the OS. And the cross post is intentional as well as I've had many positive responses from people that became aware of the driver. Nick > Author: n_hibma > Date: Thu Oct 30 08:32:18 2008 > New Revision: 184466 > URL: http://svn.freebsd.org/changeset/base/184466 > > Log: > We need to print out the device info ourselves on FBSD 6. > > Submitted by: Thomas Nystrom > > Modified: > head/sys/dev/usb/u3g.c > > Modified: head/sys/dev/usb/u3g.c > ========================================================================= >===== --- head/sys/dev/usb/u3g.c Thu Oct 30 08:17:27 2008 (r184465) > +++ head/sys/dev/usb/u3g.c Thu Oct 30 08:32:18 2008 (r184466) > @@ -227,6 +227,13 @@ u3g_attach(device_t self) > usb_config_descriptor_t *cd; > char devnamefmt[32]; > > +#if __FreeBSD_version < 700000 > + char *devinfo = malloc(1024, M_USBDEV, M_WAITOK); > + usbd_devinfo(dev, 0, devinfo); > + device_printf(self, "%s\n", devinfo); > + free(devinfo, M_USBDEV); > +#endif > + > /* get the config descriptor */ > cd = usbd_get_config_descriptor(dev); > if (cd == NULL) { > _______________________________________________ > svn-src-all@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/svn-src-all > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "svn-src-all-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 30 08:46:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F6B71065689 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:46:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nick@van-laarhoven.org) Received: from hpsmtp-eml18.kpnxchange.com (hpsmtp-eml18.KPNXCHANGE.COM [213.75.38.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13DE68FC0A for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:46:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nick@van-laarhoven.org) Received: from cpsmtpi-eml06.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.38.136]) by hpsmtp-eml18.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:46:02 +0100 Received: from uitsmijter.van-laarhoven.org ([81.207.207.222]) by cpsmtpi-eml06.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:46:02 +0100 Received: (qmail 69097 invoked by uid 98); 30 Oct 2008 08:46:01 -0000 Received: from 10.66.0.135 (nick@10.66.0.135) by uitsmijter.van-laarhoven.org (envelope-from , uid 82) with qmail-scanner-2.01 (clamdscan: 0.92/5270. f-prot: 4.6.7/3.16.15. spamassassin: 3.2.3. 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Processed in 0.061623 secs); 30 Oct 2008 08:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO van-laarhoven.org) (nick@10.66.0.135) by uitsmijter.van-laarhoven.org with SMTP; 30 Oct 2008 08:46:01 -0000 Received: (nullmailer pid 2171 invoked by uid 1001); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:45:59 -0000 From: Nick Hibma To: FreeBSD Chat Mailing List Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:45:57 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200810300945.59080.nick@van-laarhoven.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2008 08:46:02.0771 (UTC) FILETIME=[F081A630:01C93A6B] Cc: Subject: Re: svn commit: r184436 - head/sys/dev/usb X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:46:04 -0000 Myself I have seen speeds of ~260KB/s but I've had reports of ~400KBytes/s . The ucom patch (to 7 you probably mean) changes the buffering behaviour which was incorrect. I never got anything useful out of ubsa and I am now using the E220 USB dongle on a daily basis and I am _very_ happy with the speed. Nick Randi Harper wrote: > Huh. I'd never heard of u3g before. What kind of speed are you seeing? > Just out of curiosity, how does it compare to ubsa? I added support > for my novatel to ubsa a few months ago, but it's impossible to get > true 3g speeds out of it. I didn't do enough research into the issue > to see if it was a ubsa or ucom limitation. What does the ucom patch > do? I'm not familiar with ucom code, not that I'm much of a developer > in the first place. :) > > Randi From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 30 10:29:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCC96106567A for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:29:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C6A98FC23 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:29:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A1C26D44C; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:14:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 33A4D84494; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:14:02 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: d@delphij.net References: <49090ACE.9000604@delphij.net> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:14:02 +0100 In-Reply-To: <49090ACE.9000604@delphij.net> (Xin LI's message of "Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:15:58 -0700") Message-ID: <86ljw64cgl.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Would Linux exist without the Internet? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:29:35 -0000 Xin LI writes: > Would Linux exist without the Internet? :) Would the Internet exist without BSD? DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 30 11:24:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA2A1065679 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:24:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jayton.garnett@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.238]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B5928FC17 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:24:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jayton.garnett@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so506824rvf.43 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 04:24:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=+UIte/IpS7waIY3Pu4uS6jaqmntPXeG4ID7ef1wZULQ=; b=lIJM4T9zvKWJGAtqdEDzcmROH5x19fTV5xjqJy7fWdWclKOXXPddulzECnnkxrSEiC YAeu+Mh3Pjn7DGz0B3wqGuaD9lv26CVcKz+qgXTIo1fZoH/JrgU+FTMHQQ4kgOhfrvvD wgtT9FaYoHkGrkzgsUz9meaGPe8qRz/VpwOPg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=SYhEPNnQHyPwYmewz/Zt40PaElAdk6HxsNtmGf4Wi+LrnfRJRKejYXCAP/LXP+03a9 t490Db834TU38bby5RZ86RsBVqvItV0lOS2bEQ8v5iC6/A9FFSURf6UNM10AbCifZmM4 GtCgDrxgqH9pAveSJiSAL70JFjFWaKAdb4r50= Received: by 10.114.183.20 with SMTP id g20mr8236403waf.77.1225364198651; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.194.7 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:56:38 +0000 From: "Jayton Garnett" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <49090ACE.9000604@delphij.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49090ACE.9000604@delphij.net> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:28:52 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Would Linux exist without the Internet? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:24:34 -0000 Would the Internet exist without BSD? No. Would Linux exist without the Internet? :) No. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 30 12:11:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB2DC1065691 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:11:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (unknown [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47BB98FC1A for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:11:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m9UCBqq9080828; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:11:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id m9UCBqqe080827; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:11:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:11:52 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200810301211.m9UCBqqe080827@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat User-Agent: tin/1.8.3-20070201 ("Scotasay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.4-PRERELEASE-20080904 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:11:52 +0100 (CET) Cc: Subject: Re: Would Linux exist without the Internet? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:11:54 -0000 KAYVEN RIESE wrote: > > 1969 Bell Labs > 1st > | > [...] > NetBSD 0.8 > FreeBSD 1.0 > BSDI 1.0 > 1993.. LINUX > 1994 BSD 4.4 > BSD 4.4 Lite-1 > 1995 FreeBSD 2.0 > BSD 4.4 Lite-2 > BSDI 2.0 > Who wants to continue this? This is as far as > Figure 1.1 UnIX system family tree, 1969-1985 (edited for BSD) > Figure 1.2 UNIX system family tree (edited for BSD/Linux) 1986-1996 See /usr/share/misc/bsd-family-tree Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd "C++ is over-complicated nonsense. And Bjorn Shoestrap's book a danger to public health. I tried reading it once, I was in recovery for months." -- Cliff Sarginson From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 31 01:39:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A3CF106567F for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 01:39:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from horus.li@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E49118FC17 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 01:39:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from horus.li@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so888192rvf.43 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:39:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=ZW1GxQAUbn+iRIpAnpm5mx6DWlptiMsgE7D2wgZXtw4=; b=X675bnxQSpVt9Eq7ZJnCaKfgzQ2GIOqGu/IdBEkIilJikq0KWgyIzawMge/VQrFYTJ 5Ahgsg6m2P3PefBssT/ANJD7cxZMe/URDREGprIcvoO5ktpwPNqsxZXk5iphI/ChxLm0 yxEK/gv+d8yuNUzIhqJFR0NFG2NCuLc0c8E+Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=fp5Ydbet3IxJN+k2bsgxZhQTBm7/CRHasBk7ycitB0WfO4mkYuYfGjVk23AwSIBCrK b33kwgCdxaybsOrLDOcwf4OiCDgob8YgpqFwvH0on08ZPeXj7Z8bYPk0fgpy7D+Yop93 dgGcyH9CUolx5SNaMkDofQc5kOnoXw4q9U+LM= Received: by 10.141.198.9 with SMTP id a9mr6233067rvq.238.1225415964817; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.53.2 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:19:24 +0800 From: "Horus Lee" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: Would Linux exist without the Internet? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 01:39:41 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 About the article: "This article about internet is a stub. You can help (who?) by expanding it." About the "unix history map": "Free BSD" should be "FreeBSD", right? BTW, is the article a Halloween gift? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkkKXQYACgkQvVxKL9VSxXr5sQCeLm8UOos54hWZ2eom5oSn0okS XgcAoJ1paO6WcCFFybmoIT2Pj59VPvCa =YLW3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 31 02:41:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04CB21065678 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 02:41:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wsw1wsw2@gmail.com) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93FF78FC14 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 02:41:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wsw1wsw2@gmail.com) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id d27so471195tid.3 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:41:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Q82jBJSJlbX6GdH3YkfXQPoH+8D197uJuNxNQaz7nUI=; b=rLeAGxTrZIe8zr47EXfvpVC53UU2lftz0jKJQX4IxjKwlKwUao95BMyWZwYhfilvyc +PqcNReTlQCIqykKn/He2SXwisOy7zuI4LvyAz1EsBxCtX2t4sd1tD96kdsIknc/OjFa W34AD3VAMi/cVtgjxoDANBBXglNx8kW2XTjX8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=kSPYnPcO4fF8+WBwBLoxiQn8ubnKmJGcdgs9fHWPCtalE5nS2QL+mhAa436uE9BW1Q Adccw2GuLlZV6JhOHn5MrogZFZ61vy+xMyxeYqioWTgaaiERWInrx81M+QBkYX76Jnro WB41IiP5Iwrg6wCj9LCsP/Oll5743OUcvTokI= Received: by 10.110.103.5 with SMTP id a5mr7822496tic.2.1225419421615; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.110.69.4 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2e566b9e0810301917q60f6982csa4ea20c56d4bb2d3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:17:01 +0800 From: wsw To: "=?UTF-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?=" In-Reply-To: <86ljw64cgl.fsf@ds4.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49090ACE.9000604@delphij.net> <86ljw64cgl.fsf@ds4.des.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Would Linux exist without the Internet? 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(quark.teteny.elte.hu [157.181.96.136]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e34sm10485983ugd.55.2008.10.30.21.22.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:22:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <490A8836.20303@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 05:23:18 +0100 From: deeptech71@gmail.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.16) Gecko/20080702 MultiZilla/1.8.3.4e SeaMonkey/1.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:14:04 +0000 Subject: Re: Google Chrome X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 04:44:32 -0000 Brett Glass wrote: > Google itself harvests users' personal data > from their Gmail users' e-mail What? I create a new box and drop an old one several times a day. :D From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 1 22:45:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A7421065677 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:45:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phi@evilphi.com) Received: from mail.twinthornes.com (mail.twinthornes.com [65.75.198.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB318FC0A for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:45:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phi@evilphi.com) Received: from [10.9.70.100] (c-67-189-47-195.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [67.189.47.195]) by mail.twinthornes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 662A6D; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <490CD879.8010805@evilphi.com> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:30:17 -0700 From: Darren Pilgrim User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jayton Garnett References: <49090ACE.9000604@delphij.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Would Linux exist without the Internet? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:45:51 -0000 Jayton Garnett wrote: > Would the Internet exist without BSD? > No. > > Would Linux exist without the Internet? :) > No. By extension: Linux wouldn't exist without BSD. :)