From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 23 17:20:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF011065670 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:20:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C06728FC12 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:20:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mANHK1q4074508 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:20:01 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mANHK101074507; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:20:01 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:20:01 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200811231720.mANHK101074507@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Eugen Konkov Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA2A1065670 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:11:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F3168FC1D for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:11:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mANHBLhY006911 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:11:21 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mANHBK2r006910; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:11:20 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200811231711.mANHBK2r006910@www.freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:11:20 GMT From: Eugen Konkov To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-3.1 Cc: Subject: docs/129095: Can not check that packet originating/destined for local host X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:20:02 -0000 >Number: 129095 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Can not check that packet originating/destined for local host >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Nov 23 17:20:01 UTC 2008 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Eugen Konkov >Release: 7.1-PRERELEASE >Organization: ISP Konkov >Environment: FreeBSD home.kes.net.ua 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #: Sun Nov 23 17:19:12 EET 2008 kes@home.kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 i386 >Description: man ipfw ... A packet may not have a receive or transmit interface: packets originating from the local host have no receive interface, while packets destined for the local host have no transmit interface. How to check that packet originating from the local host? ipfw allow all from any to any out recv null ipfw allow all from any to any in xmit null null stands for there is not receive/transmit interface >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 23 19:42:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C64B91065670; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:42:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BEB68FC0A; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:42:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (keramida@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mANJgxtt087527; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:42:59 GMT (envelope-from keramida@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mANJgxFf087523; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:42:59 GMT (envelope-from keramida) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:42:59 GMT Message-Id: <200811231942.mANJgxFf087523@freefall.freebsd.org> To: keramida@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, keramida@FreeBSD.org From: keramida@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/128816: [PATCH] Enhance the explanation of using of mount options in fstab(5) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:42:59 -0000 Synopsis: [PATCH] Enhance the explanation of using of mount options in fstab(5) Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->keramida Responsible-Changed-By: keramida Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Nov 23 19:42:46 UTC 2008 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll handle this one. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=128816 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 11:06:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44CA310656D2 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:06:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26AD88FC12 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:06:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mAOB69vC018964 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:06:09 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mAOB68FA018960 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:06:08 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:06:08 GMT Message-Id: <200811241106.mAOB68FA018960@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: gnats set sender to owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Cc: Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:06:09 -0000 (Note: an HTML version of this report is available at http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr-summary.cgi?category=doc .) The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o docs/129095 doc ipfw(8): Can not check that packet originating/destine o docs/129024 doc [patch] ipfw(8) improvements p docs/128968 doc [patch] rwlock(9) man page typo o docs/128804 doc Gmirror handbook instructions convert boot-drive to gm o docs/128768 doc Missing documentation about tmpfs mount options o docs/128356 doc [request] add Firefox plugin for FreeBSD manual pages o docs/128325 doc README.snapshots still refers to snaphots as "alpha-te o docs/128222 doc [patch] man page truss(1) claims that init(8) can be t o docs/128129 doc Sysinstall color problem in xterm o docs/128128 doc Sysinstall not mentioned in 4.4 "Using the Packages Sy o docs/128032 doc pthread(3) mentions libkse which has been removed in 8 o docs/127952 doc man for locate(1) is missing o docs/127923 doc Please mention qemu in the FreeBSD Handbook o docs/127908 doc [PATCH] readdir(3) error documentation o docs/127890 doc socket(2) man page should explain that protocol can be p docs/127866 doc Typos found in ifconfig(8) man page o docs/127844 doc Example code skeleton_capture_n.c in meteor(4) manpage o docs/127842 doc list of hardware devices missing from the relnotes o docs/127840 doc [patch] fix entity references in release/doc/en_US.ISO o docs/127602 doc [patch] Incomplete information in nsswitch.conf(5) o docs/127575 doc [patch] Update to ports (7) as it is missing a few mak o docs/127406 doc [patch] update umodem man page: Sony Ericsson W810i o docs/126934 doc missing 'crit' in usr.sbin/syslogd/syslog.conf.5 o docs/126921 doc [patch] History section of cpuset(1) incorrect o docs/126590 doc [patch] Write routine called forever in Sample Echo Ps o docs/126487 doc fix language on atol(3) manpage o docs/126484 doc libc function res-zonscut2 is not documented o docs/126445 doc discussion on WEP settings in wpa_supplicant.conf(5) m o docs/126227 doc [patch] kthread(9) refers to non-existent manpage, des o docs/125921 doc lpd(8) talks about blocks in minfree while it is KB in o docs/125896 doc [PATCH] arp manual and syntax synchronisation o docs/125751 doc man 3 pthread_getschedparam section ERRORS incomplete o docs/125639 doc [patch] kldunloadf(2) does not mention about possible p docs/124166 doc fortune: instant-workstation tip should go o docs/123400 doc gvinum startup in handbook o docs/123035 doc [patch] bugs in refuse.README o docs/122470 doc [patch] exit status on fetch(1) manual page o docs/122053 doc [patch] update on vinum(4) reference to newfs(8) o docs/122052 doc minor update on handbook section 20.7.1 o docs/121952 doc Handbook chapter on Network Address Translation wrong o docs/121871 doc ftpd does not interpret configuration files as documen o docs/121585 doc [handbook] Wrong multicast specification o docs/121565 doc dhcp-options(5) manpage incorrectly formatted omitting s docs/121541 doc [request] no man pages for wlan_scan_ap o docs/121312 doc RELNOTES_LANG breaks release if not en_US.ISO8859-1 o docs/121197 doc [patch] edits to books/porters-handbook o docs/121173 doc [patch] mq_getattr(2): mq_flags mistakenly described a s docs/120917 doc [request]: Man pages mising for thr_xxx syscalls o docs/120628 doc PAE documentation errror in handbook o docs/120539 doc Inconsistent ipfw's man page o docs/120456 doc ath(4) needs to specify requirement on wlan_scan_sta o docs/120125 doc [patch] Installing FreeBSD 7.0 via serial console and o docs/120040 doc handbook: diskless operation: populate root doesn't po o docs/120024 doc resolver(5) and hosts(5) need updated for IPv6 o docs/119907 doc Ports compatibility o docs/119746 doc l10n chapter of handbook (Russian Language) o docs/119545 doc books/arch-handbook/usb/chapter.sgml formatting a docs/119536 doc a few typos in French handbook (basics) s docs/119404 doc [request] events page should list only last 2 years wo o docs/119338 doc gprof(1) refers to unmentioned option "-c" o docs/119329 doc [patch] Fix misleading man 1 split o docs/118902 doc [patch] wrong signatures in d2i_RSAPublicKey man pages o docs/118545 doc loader tunables kern.dfldsiz and friends nearly undocu o docs/118332 doc man page for top does not describe STATE column wait e o docs/118214 doc close(2) error returns incomplete o docs/118020 doc ipfilter(4): man pages query for man 4 ipfilter return o docs/117798 doc formatting oddity in sysmouse(4) o docs/117747 doc 'break' system call needs a man page o docs/117013 doc mount_smbfs(8) doesn't document -U (username) argument o docs/116480 doc sysctl(3) description of kern.file no longer applies s o docs/116116 doc mktemp (3) re/move note o docs/116080 doc PREFIX is documented, but not the more important LOCAL o docs/115921 doc Booting from pst(4) is not supported o docs/115065 doc [patch] sync ps.1 with p_flag and keywords o docs/114371 doc [patch] [ip6] rtadvd.con(5) should show how to adverti o docs/114184 doc [patch] [ndis]: add info to man 4 ndis o docs/114139 doc mbuf(9) has misleading comments on M_DONTWAIT and M_TR o docs/113194 doc [patch] [request] crontab.5: handling of day-in-month o docs/112804 doc groff(1) command should be called to explicitly use "p o docs/112682 doc Handbook GEOM_GPT explanation does not provide accurat o docs/112481 doc bug in ppp.linkup example o docs/111425 doc Missing chunks of text in historical manpages o docs/111265 doc [request] Clarify how to set common shell variables o docs/111263 doc [request] Information on $EDITOR variable in section 3 o docs/111147 doc hostapd.conf is not documented o docs/110999 doc carp(4) should document unsupported interface types o docs/110692 doc wi(4) man page doesn't say WPA is not supported o docs/110376 doc [patch] add some more explanations for the iwi/ipw fir o docs/110253 doc [patch] rtprio(1): remove processing starvation commen o docs/110062 doc [patch] mount_nfs(8) fails to mention a failure condit o docs/110061 doc [PATCH] tuning(7) missing reference to vfs.read_max o docs/109983 doc No manual entry for protoize o docs/109981 doc No manual entry for post-grohtml o docs/109977 doc No manual entry for ksu o docs/109975 doc No manual entry for elf2aout o docs/109973 doc No manual entry for c++filt o docs/109972 doc No manual entry for zless/bzless f docs/109226 doc [request] No manual entry for sntp o docs/109201 doc [request]: manual for callbootd o docs/109115 doc add Ultra 450 to hardware list for sparc64 a docs/108980 doc list of missing man pages o docs/108101 doc /boot/default/loader.conf contains an incorrect commen o docs/106135 doc [request] articles/vinum needs to be updated o docs/105997 doc sys/kern/sys_pipe.c refer to tuning(7), but there is n o docs/105608 doc fdc(4) debugging description staled o docs/104879 doc Howto: Listen to IMA ADPCM .wav files on FreeBSD box o docs/104403 doc man security should mention that the usage of the X Wi o docs/102719 doc [patch] ng_bpf(4) example leads to unneeded promiscuos o docs/102148 doc The description of which Intel chips have EM64T is out o docs/101464 doc sync ru_RU.KOI8-R/articles/portbuild/article.html with o docs/100242 doc sysctl(3) description of KERN_PROC is not correct anym o docs/100196 doc man login.conf does explain not "unlimited" o docs/99506 doc FreeBSD Handbook addition: IPv6 Server Settings o docs/98974 doc Missing tunables in loader(8) manpage o docs/98759 doc [patch] sbp_targ(4) man page missing reference to devi o docs/98115 doc Missing parts after rendering handbook to RTF format o docs/96207 doc Comments of a sockaddr_un structure could confuse one o docs/95139 doc FAQ to move filesystem to new disk fails: incorrect pe o docs/94625 doc [patch] growfs man page -- document "panic: not enough o docs/92626 doc jail manpage should mention disabling some periodic sc o docs/91506 doc ndis(4) man page should be more specific about support o docs/91174 doc [REQUEST] Handbook: Addition of Oracle 9i installation o docs/91149 doc read(2) can return EINVAL for unaligned access to bloc o docs/88512 doc [patch] mount_ext2fs(8) man page has no details on lar o docs/87936 doc Handbook chapter on NIS/YP lacks good information on a o docs/87857 doc ifconfig(8) wireless options order matters o docs/86342 doc bikeshed entry of Handbook is wrong o docs/85187 doc [patch] find(1) manpage missing block info for -ls o docs/85128 doc [patch] loader.conf(5) autoboot_delay incompletly desc o docs/85118 doc [PATCH] opiekey(1) references non-existing opiegen(1) o docs/85100 doc NOTES: ICH audio device support statement is ambiguous o docs/84956 doc [patch] intro(5) manpage doesn't mention API coverage o docs/84932 doc new document: printing with an Epson ALC-3000N on Free o docs/84806 doc mdoc(7) manpage has section ordering problems o docs/84670 doc [patch] tput(1) manpage missing ENVIRONMENT section wi o docs/84538 doc [patch] sk(4) driver supports Marvell 88E800x chip too o docs/84317 doc fdp-primer doesn't show class=USERNAME distinctively o docs/84268 doc chmod(1) manpage's BUGS entry is either wrong or too c o docs/84265 doc [patch] chmod(1) manpage omits implication of setting f docs/82595 doc 25.5.3 Configuring a bridge section of the handbook ne o docs/78480 doc Networked printer setup unnecessarily complex in handb o docs/78240 doc [patch] handbook: replace with aroun o docs/78138 doc [patch] Error in pre-installation section of installat o docs/76333 doc [patch] ferror(3): EOF indicator can be cleared by not o docs/75865 doc comments on "backup-basics" in handbook o docs/70652 doc [patch] New man page: portindex(5) o docs/70583 doc [patch] Update freebsd-glossary o docs/69861 doc [patch] usr.bin/csplit/csplit.1 does not document POSI o docs/63570 doc [patch] Language cleanup for the Handbook's DNS sectio o docs/61605 doc [request] Improve documentation for i386 disk geometry o docs/61301 doc [patch] Manpage patch for aue(4) to enable HomePNA fun o docs/59835 doc ipfw(8) man page does not warn about accepted but mean o docs/59477 doc Outdated Info Documents at http://docs.freebsd.org/inf o docs/59044 doc [patch] doc.docbook.mk does not properly handle a sour o docs/57388 doc [patch] INSTALL.TXT enhancement: mention ok prompt s docs/54752 doc bus_dma explained in ISA section in Handbook: should b o docs/53751 doc bus_dma(9) incorrectly documents BUS_DMA_ALLOCNOW o docs/53596 doc Updates to mt(1) manual page o docs/53271 doc bus_dma(9) fails to document alignment restrictions o docs/50211 doc [PATCH] doc.docbook.mk: fix textfile creation o docs/48101 doc [patch] add documentation on the fixit disk to the FAQ o docs/47818 doc [patch] ln(1) manpage is confusing o docs/43823 doc [PATCH] update to environ(7) manpage o docs/41089 doc pax(1) -B option does not mention interaction with -z o docs/40423 doc Keyboard(4)'s definition of parameters to GETFKEY/SETF o docs/38982 doc [patch] developers-handbook/Jail fix o docs/38556 doc EPS file of beastie, as addition to existing examples o docs/36449 doc symlink(7) manual doesn't mention trailing slash, etc. s docs/35678 doc docproj Makefiles for web are broken for paths with sp s docs/33589 doc [patch] to doc.docbook.mk to post process .tex files. a docs/30008 doc [patch] French softupdates document should be translat o docs/27605 doc [patch] Cross-document references () o docs/26286 doc *printf(3) etc should gain format string warnings o docs/24786 doc missing FILES descriptions in sa(4) s docs/20028 doc ASCII docs should reflect tags in the sourc 175 problems total. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 17:36:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84A221065677 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:36:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 189828FC19 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:36:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c21so1735509ika.3 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:36:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=zcNt7+Lu4Fd/Oz3pUKVTkxjgwGsSB2E3CazU5/t61PU=; b=P6F/c9hSuE3oeT9X6VIxxJlx9wehRxqRpEP/t0bCXfrmZ7slaYMunat0tcLzLttDeG fqFf7/iJa6JkqN1x+BzeUVUceBIH1ZJhjlPB7auQvm7a4UoGIqOHVDJKUT+TWJ7ubIMm 6COXm9p05PEzKnWVOZ9dLGkR0nSG9kGgv8H78= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=WuGK659vJN0YmQxGs23Q6c6OUQNMIA6SLszeQjhtog8BKA/YpV9W1NaHH3nX2vL/IC qC+AqVRD7h1XASC3bI+WLs5gvyH5M9IvD4R8jYoFDANkfI2Uk9S+ONg/qlcgWI6197OG I7FXEFNfSzpweX9otkykWWhvdinlZFu3vamlQ= Received: by 10.210.56.7 with SMTP id e7mr3839003eba.32.1227548171957; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:36:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from atlantis.dyndns.org (athedsl-70133.home.otenet.gr [87.203.155.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 3sm3101eyi.45.2008.11.24.09.36.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:36:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <492AE607.4020208@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:36:07 +0200 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081011) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gabor PALI , Gabor Kovesdan , Giorgos Keramidas , Tom Rhodes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: A patch for the 'geom' chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:36:13 -0000 Hey all, I recently completed the Greek translation of the geom chapter and (as it has become customary) I also created a patch for the English version. So I 'd thought to call all my usual reviewers (and anyone else who cares to comment): http://people.freebsd.org/~manolis/geom.txt A brief description of (some) changes: - Added the messages returned by a gstripe command (as requested by the original author) - Change the /mnt as a permanent mount point in fstab, suggested in an example. Since /mnt is normally used for temporary administrator mounts, it makes sense to create a specific mount point for a permanent mount. - Convert a vi editing session to a . The user is free to choose his editor - although the original vi instructions are handy and should not be removed - It seems glabel can create both permanent and temporary labels that are not file system specific. Reworded the relevant paragraphs - Add a complete example of labeling a boot disk's partitions, so it can be used on another controller, or indeed, system - Journaling does not store the log on the last sector (only metadata that shows the volume is journaled) - Loading the geom_journal module during startup - or building it into a custom kernel - Add a reference to my gjournal-desktop article ;) - Minor rewording in paragraphs above / below the actual changes to avoid repeating the same information This is a somewhat lengthy patch, for those that feel better reading the build, here it is: http://people.freebsd.org/~manolis/geom.html Any and all comments appreciated :) Cheers, manolis@ From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 18:51:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 260181065670; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:51:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from pittgoth.com (pittgoth.com [205.134.163.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C77BA8FC08; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:51:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost.fbsdsecure.org (c-68-83-213-214.hsd1.va.comcast.net [68.83.213.214]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAOIpBbE017840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:51:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:51:07 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Manolis Kiagias Message-Id: <20081124135107.06a8af26.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <492AE607.4020208@gmail.com> References: <492AE607.4020208@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: gabor@kovesdan.org, pgj@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, keramida@FreeBSD.org, trhodes@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: A patch for the 'geom' chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:51:19 -0000 On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:36:07 +0200 Manolis Kiagias wrote: > Hey all, > > I recently completed the Greek translation of the geom chapter and (as > it has become customary) I also created a patch for the English > version. So I 'd thought to call all my usual reviewers (and anyone > else who cares to comment): > > http://people.freebsd.org/~manolis/geom.txt > > A brief description of (some) changes: > > - Added the messages returned by a gstripe command (as requested by the > original author) > - Change the /mnt as a permanent mount point in fstab, suggested in an > example. Since /mnt is normally used for temporary administrator mounts, > it makes sense to create a specific mount point for a permanent mount. > - Convert a vi editing session to a . The user is free to choose > his editor - although the original vi instructions are handy and should > not be removed > - It seems glabel can create both permanent and temporary labels that > are not file system specific. Reworded the relevant paragraphs > - Add a complete example of labeling a boot disk's partitions, so it can > be used on another controller, or indeed, system > - Journaling does not store the log on the last sector (only metadata > that shows the volume is journaled) > - Loading the geom_journal module during startup - or building it into a > custom kernel > - Add a reference to my gjournal-desktop article ;) > - Minor rewording in paragraphs above / below the actual changes to > avoid repeating the same information > > This is a somewhat lengthy patch, for those that feel better reading the > build, here it is: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~manolis/geom.html > > Any and all comments appreciated :) This looks pretty good actually. I would probably change the following: + + Labeling Your Boot Disk's Partitions to: Labeling Partitions on the Boot Disk And there are a lot of "You" references. I've tried to write this without invoking the user as much as possible and may make reading the entire chapter difficult. I would prefer we not talk to the user though. -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 19:17:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7181065670 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:17:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D84868FC1E for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:17:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl141-187.kln.forthnet.gr [195.74.240.187]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mAOJ0rXx014412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:00:58 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mAOJ0qPV002850; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:00:52 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mAOJ0av2002846; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:00:36 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Tom Rhodes References: <492AE607.4020208@gmail.com> <20081124135107.06a8af26.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:00:35 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20081124135107.06a8af26.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> (Tom Rhodes's message of "Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:51:07 -0500") Message-ID: <87abbp3q5o.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mAOJ0rXx014412 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.332, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.07, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@freebsd.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: gabor@kovesdan.org, pgj@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A patch for the 'geom' chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:17:06 -0000 On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:51:07 -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:36:07 +0200 > Manolis Kiagias wrote: >> http://people.freebsd.org/~manolis/geom.txt > This looks pretty good actually. I would probably change the > following: > > + > + Labeling Your Boot Disk's Partitions > > to: > > Labeling Partitions on the Boot Disk > > And there are a lot of "You" references. I've tried to write this > without invoking the user as much as possible and may make reading the > entire chapter difficult. I would prefer we not talk to the user > though. I am not sure if I will have the time to read the full patch tonight, but Tom is quite right about avoiding "you" when possible. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 19:34:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A151065675 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:34:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 067EB8FC12 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:34:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 6so872026eyi.7 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:34:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pC1Odi1cQr+U23VeVujfDYrVg70MefCm/ybnxKtM3d0=; b=Z9Dcr8vI/5EIsPhhg7KXo3q1MUHs+ryNzHTjch9qNoyI6valq72qT9uHy2lDc1udkj d9l+8AHjfEpQUJkIb5yrSDqGsSpVKWKBH2X9//QESKL5mCkbnnPL6ExTUt3HqC6BlckE Sz+FPDtL7J0O7nd0ZgOZ2fr216Gdahn9GpngE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=d5+x70GczP3A9v06Qs1O7NduIWBq0yyrQZQrz69NEHeM9fC16DpTwzSKD3s/4QmiWF P8HtsrKU284H1U/ppQWs+zR3aDjsjEE9TN20Wn/L1GDGKbGMqmg18OMvGfyphjE37FCd Cp1grEbMaSUcdPa98SHYKnCsKbbypXNFSXJ9g= Received: by 10.210.43.11 with SMTP id q11mr3940650ebq.51.1227555272740; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:34:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from atlantis.dyndns.org (athedsl-70133.home.otenet.gr [87.203.155.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm25037eya.57.2008.11.24.11.34.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:34:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <492B01C4.6090707@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:34:28 +0200 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081011) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Giorgos Keramidas References: <492AE607.4020208@gmail.com> <20081124135107.06a8af26.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <87abbp3q5o.fsf@kobe.laptop> In-Reply-To: <87abbp3q5o.fsf@kobe.laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: gabor@kovesdan.org, Tom Rhodes , doc@freebsd.org, pgj@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A patch for the 'geom' chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:34:39 -0000 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:51:07 -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > >> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:36:07 +0200 >> Manolis Kiagias wrote: >> >>> http://people.freebsd.org/~manolis/geom.txt >>> > > >> This looks pretty good actually. I would probably change the >> following: >> >> + >> + Labeling Your Boot Disk's Partitions >> >> to: >> >> Labeling Partitions on the Boot Disk >> >> And there are a lot of "You" references. I've tried to write this >> without invoking the user as much as possible and may make reading the >> entire chapter difficult. I would prefer we not talk to the user >> though. >> > > I am not sure if I will have the time to read the full patch tonight, > but Tom is quite right about avoiding "you" when possible. > > Thanks. I will try to rephrase most parts into passive voice where possible. I guess I am somewhat influenced by the Greek translations, where sometimes passive voice sounds unnatural ;) Cheers, manolis From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 20:06:17 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 837CC106567A for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:06:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from r.c.ladan@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D268FC18 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:06:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from r.c.ladan@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so909437yxb.13 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:06:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=A9n/N/vB3fIWIuwxX2rsX3Z9EEu+8HIi6fUvXS3WOD0=; b=xIYt4GvYIMAPQP2rYuPnh6MnHCw0mdPWXOmTQERDZCUPLWQ1pQXHBICdaLEsPtQa8M Wcjx+Bk+Mi1TLynmeYvame9lEU/GXf4rv+mzkCpb2JQdHEExKHQKnitzomAWqfgX3heb D6Pjz5uwbzou+vuQh6qQD/b2yodTYnRsq/yys= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=vYcsaKclTLTUAK6Gd+1EqK8P1ghEDfxe/L9YHen44OG9kkloKbqe28I1wimrmwZRbI CW5tqvzQ8FoE/2gZnz/2pQOQRrPQVLFBILRK6+VDg7A0cV/3wYztV4XAfVdPLSupdS3h fQQaIedkYI8VSTncAdVQxEgAL/dWIE6MtMtPQ= Received: by 10.151.14.5 with SMTP id r5mr7642083ybi.163.1227556634289; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:57:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.147.11 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:57:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:57:14 +0100 From: "Rene Ladan" To: "Manolis Kiagias" In-Reply-To: <492B01C4.6090707@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <492AE607.4020208@gmail.com> <20081124135107.06a8af26.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <87abbp3q5o.fsf@kobe.laptop> <492B01C4.6090707@gmail.com> Cc: Tom Rhodes , doc@freebsd.org, pgj@freebsd.org, gabor@kovesdan.org, Giorgos Keramidas , Remko Lodder Subject: Re: A patch for the 'geom' chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:06:17 -0000 2008/11/24 Manolis Kiagias : > Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:51:07 -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:36:07 +0200 >>> Manolis Kiagias wrote: >>> >>>> http://people.freebsd.org/~manolis/geom.txt >>>> >> >> >>> This looks pretty good actually. I would probably change the >>> following: >>> >>> + >>> + Labeling Your Boot Disk's Partitions >>> >>> to: >>> >>> Labeling Partitions on the Boot Disk >>> >>> And there are a lot of "You" references. I've tried to write this >>> without invoking the user as much as possible and may make reading the >>> entire chapter difficult. I would prefer we not talk to the user >>> though. >>> >> >> I am not sure if I will have the time to read the full patch tonight, >> but Tom is quite right about avoiding "you" when possible. >> >> > Thanks. I will try to rephrase most parts into passive voice where > possible. I guess I am somewhat influenced by the Greek translations, > where sometimes passive voice sounds unnatural ;) > I think the same is true for the Dutch language. Using passive voice sometimes sounds too formal/distant IMHO (it makes me think of legal texts). Active voice also involves the reader more. It also makes it possible to refer to e.g. 'their computer' instead of 'a computer', which can be useful in examples. Regards, Rene -- http://www.rene-ladan.nl/ GPG fingerprint = E738 5471 D185 7013 0EE0 4FC8 3C1D 6F83 12E1 84F6 (subkeys.pgp.net) From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 20:25:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 022491065675; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:25:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F3B88FC1E; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:25:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl141-187.kln.forthnet.gr [195.74.240.187]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mAOKPhje020566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:25:49 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mAOKPhvU003494; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:25:43 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mAOKPfwK003493; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:25:41 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Manolis Kiagias References: <492AE607.4020208@gmail.com> <20081124135107.06a8af26.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <87abbp3q5o.fsf@kobe.laptop> <492B01C4.6090707@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:25:40 +0200 In-Reply-To: <492B01C4.6090707@gmail.com> (Manolis Kiagias's message of "Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:34:28 +0200") Message-ID: <87prkkx457.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mAOKPhje020566 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.299, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.10, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@freebsd.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: gabor@kovesdan.org, Tom Rhodes , doc@freebsd.org, pgj@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A patch for the 'geom' chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:25:55 -0000 On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:34:28 +0200, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > Thanks. I will try to rephrase most parts into passive voice where > possible. I guess I am somewhat influenced by the Greek translations, > where sometimes passive voice sounds unnatural ;) That's true. In Greek translations passive voice is considered 'slightly bad'. Some of the prominent translators who have done academic work (like translating ancient Greek texts to modern Greek) have written about this too. I. Th. Kakrides mentions that it is some times preferable to be a bit verbose and avoid passive voice in his booklet titled "The Translation Problem". I'm really glad you have reached the same conclusion, after doing so much of the FreeBSD Greek translation work :-) From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 20:34:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C6251065676; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:34:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from pittgoth.com (pittgoth.com [205.134.163.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2402C8FC12; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:34:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost.fbsdsecure.org (c-68-83-213-214.hsd1.va.comcast.net [68.83.213.214]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAOKY237018475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:34:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:33:58 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: "Rene Ladan" Message-Id: <20081124153358.7a539e67.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: References: <492AE607.4020208@gmail.com> <20081124135107.06a8af26.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <87abbp3q5o.fsf@kobe.laptop> <492B01C4.6090707@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: trhodes@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, pgj@FreeBSD.org, gabor@kovesdan.org, keramida@FreeBSD.org, remko@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: A patch for the 'geom' chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:34:22 -0000 On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:57:14 +0100 "Rene Ladan" wrote: > 2008/11/24 Manolis Kiagias : > > Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > >> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:51:07 -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > >> > >>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:36:07 +0200 > >>> Manolis Kiagias wrote: > >>> > >>>> http://people.freebsd.org/~manolis/geom.txt > >>>> > >> > >> > >>> This looks pretty good actually. I would probably change the > >>> following: > >>> > >>> + > >>> + Labeling Your Boot Disk's Partitions > >>> > >>> to: > >>> > >>> Labeling Partitions on the Boot Disk > >>> > >>> And there are a lot of "You" references. I've tried to write this > >>> without invoking the user as much as possible and may make reading the > >>> entire chapter difficult. I would prefer we not talk to the user > >>> though. > >>> > >> > >> I am not sure if I will have the time to read the full patch tonight, > >> but Tom is quite right about avoiding "you" when possible. > >> > >> > > Thanks. I will try to rephrase most parts into passive voice where > > possible. I guess I am somewhat influenced by the Greek translations, > > where sometimes passive voice sounds unnatural ;) > > > I think the same is true for the Dutch language. Using passive voice > sometimes sounds too formal/distant IMHO (it makes me think of legal > texts). Active voice also involves the reader more. It also makes it > possible to refer to e.g. 'their computer' instead of 'a computer', which > can be useful in examples. While true, it does have a few flaws, including it can make incorrect assumptions about the reader's sex, environment, etc. and adds a little less professionalism. So I try to write all my documentation carefully to avoid addressing the reader. Sometimes it would be easier, but that doesn't really make it right. In translations, though, I think it should be up to the initial teams. It could be very different for languages which I do not speak, whether passive voice is incorrect. :) -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 20:47:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1468F106567B for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:47:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 887648FC16 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:47:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id h3so1087219nfh.33 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:47:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AWUVROUMHqrtAoM3SKpSg7EZZCxcKMcLJVwuxrq1b5k=; b=uaoCVG6WOITfD5aTqcJ01cgTDENBon3rbWMBaDhIAAG/AOfULTBIPMfEbqGPaeCAkh Xun/W1ILB/EFhqOI3kB085Dg6PjwdkC6auP1nwfxc0iz31EvZny+DFU7HztML45o442h LWiwj6sKCi80XYfY/64l9xdEuNZVKYHa0G3KI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=nz5RBxmFhS5qY0HSzxt/WMYOvRCMpOJxH7MisLXDq0zmmq3ukktBQlBn1/RZ2RyXGV xVKNKc6AIEJKV9uU2ZlEK+qTjAuJVBapHs6DE6Hem+mm8d/cFUOkV9SX/KGinKm9GJIX VV4X7XN0zg32qn7VT3MhOZQ7big3JVV56ISns= Received: by 10.210.87.14 with SMTP id k14mr3968180ebb.159.1227559657165; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:47:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from atlantis.dyndns.org (athedsl-70133.home.otenet.gr [87.203.155.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k5sm28087nfh.0.2008.11.24.12.47.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:47:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <492B12E3.3000109@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:47:31 +0200 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081011) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Rhodes References: <492AE607.4020208@gmail.com> <20081124135107.06a8af26.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <87abbp3q5o.fsf@kobe.laptop> <492B01C4.6090707@gmail.com> <20081124153358.7a539e67.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20081124153358.7a539e67.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: pgj@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, gabor@kovesdan.org, keramida@FreeBSD.org, remko@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: A patch for the 'geom' chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:47:39 -0000 Tom Rhodes wrote: > While true, it does have a few flaws, including it can make > incorrect assumptions about the reader's sex This will not happen in Greek, when the reader is addressed in 'courtesy' plural (or whatever this may be called in English, which simply does not have this 'feature' ;) ) On the other hand I've seen Greek translations (in fact I just saw a few in some Linux project today) addressing the reader in *first* person, which is absolutely horrible. > , environment, > etc. and adds a little less professionalism. > > So I try to write all my documentation carefully to avoid > addressing the reader. Sometimes it would be easier, but that > doesn't really make it right. > True, the English version of the Handbook is mostly using passive voice, and for the most part it is not a problem > In translations, though, I think it should be up to the initial > teams. It could be very different for languages which I > do not speak, whether passive voice is incorrect. :) > > As Giorgos just said, passive voice in Greek can sound 'slightly bad'. Some verbs are simply not meant to be used passively and often whole sentences sound weird when attempting to keep the original's passive voice. I've come to recognize these and switch them. And yes, it is not difficult after so many thousand lines of translations ;) From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 22:41:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57C74106567C for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:41:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB4368FC24 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:41:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 30so868479ugs.39 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:41:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=fmyhb/kCFxwEuAOmAtGl8KvitYFaXy0LazjQ31yC2tU=; b=cCuz/peT9dEjomde2coWR6Hw3NPzz30VZEh/G6hXWBaTewAiLMLNoFzNIDNunjLRj8 m8W6gKTqdB8XtVQFiCU/6bzdsNKYELRjPTzIM6n90eGU/4ncxdSJNOv7XL4y7CPnAgPW jAV6i+QA3yCjtINz17xC+AgoiYOkGUVUO/73s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=N5jkKv9yD3y7P6qcenl2BvDjYMcEup7pjqSLWDPgnPGX7MtNKPXFfwTKyEe6vZKPve QS3Y6WuAjp4zBAWK+ra6frqwNXhyuUj6d+c9+QZNZdGHd0cNMdo39R+PFeSAsA42GZZw xyF4Z2OrX0tVbrxbC+gGY3KWEm9+azUbprJ5E= Received: by 10.210.10.8 with SMTP id 8mr4063643ebj.172.1227566480897; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:41:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from atlantis.dyndns.org (athedsl-70133.home.otenet.gr [87.203.155.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d24sm488115nfh.16.2008.11.24.14.41.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:41:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <492B2D8C.4090807@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:41:16 +0200 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081011) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Rhodes References: <492AE607.4020208@gmail.com> <20081124135107.06a8af26.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <87abbp3q5o.fsf@kobe.laptop> <492B01C4.6090707@gmail.com> <20081124153358.7a539e67.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20081124153358.7a539e67.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: pgj@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, gabor@kovesdan.org, keramida@FreeBSD.org, remko@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: A patch for the 'geom' chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:41:22 -0000 After our discussion, here again is the "second take" of this patch: http://people.freebsd.org/~manolis/geom.txt And the build starts here: http://people.freebsd.org/~manolis/geom.html I tried to address most points, but feel free to send more comments and fixes. Take your time, as I won't be looking at this further tonight (it will only get worse if I do ;) ) Thank you all! manolis@ From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 22:55:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB171065673 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:55:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0CE78FC08 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:55:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id h3so1116166nfh.33 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:55:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=s5FO6jjIEu2h6BH6LzGV/L+rYoeuPPXrcPVY/SWW/x4=; b=nZgu9KPRrm2/WxEfZVUDeSA45daaDZrfDgAJxxGcDZtTUH6ZJIjYJWom+ASNt6zYWq Prx3sSiu/fkhWawGqGKmq0r4KxlkpSRrfv4YjxkcFLmeSE1LOCfIsIHzawxHxB3s3bXa CrrzswOOnKHS+20aWXzkbYu/kDOyo9LanM6Eo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BEPC+PjZ5qGnjm52wAq4LsXttOm9T++/SlZWEnyQD4IWqJlEoiuL+HlZ+6QkoPr4rn Po9CSLpnY6AMeugS2vRf4lQ+p2k/toMZlAsk26mMLTkZmgEApsp9+Iiv7dd5SNmbj7kU X43lkX1axPhSUxHyTeihWFSRZBsnVau1liq6g= Received: by 10.210.127.10 with SMTP id z10mr4077761ebc.195.1227567342587; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:55:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from atlantis.dyndns.org (athedsl-70133.home.otenet.gr [87.203.155.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k9sm823220nfh.23.2008.11.24.14.55.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:55:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <492B30EA.5040807@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:55:38 +0200 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081011) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=E1bor_K=F6vesd=E1n?= References: <492AE607.4020208@gmail.com> <20081124135107.06a8af26.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <87abbp3q5o.fsf@kobe.laptop> <492B01C4.6090707@gmail.com> <20081124153358.7a539e67.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <492B2D8C.4090807@gmail.com> <492B2FCF.5060503@kovesdan.org> In-Reply-To: <492B2FCF.5060503@kovesdan.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Tom Rhodes , doc@FreeBSD.org, pgj@FreeBSD.org, keramida@FreeBSD.org, remko@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: A patch for the 'geom' chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:55:44 -0000 Gábor Kövesdán wrote: > Manolis Kiagias escribió: >> After our discussion, here again is the "second take" of this patch: >> >> http://people.freebsd.org/~manolis/geom.txt >> >> And the build starts here: >> >> http://people.freebsd.org/~manolis/geom.html >> >> I tried to address most points, but feel free to send more comments and >> fixes. >> Take your time, as I won't be looking at this further tonight (it will >> only get worse if I do ;) ) >> > Hi Manolis, > > I've reviewed this second patch. Nice work, thanks for your efforts! I > only found a little nit: > > + geom_journal.ko kernel will also have to be > > > > It should be "kernel module" instead of "kernel". > > Cheers, > Aha, this is indeed too small and I will fix immediately ;) Thanks! From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 23:09:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FE4C106567C for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:09:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@kovesdan.org) Received: from server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [87.229.73.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28E438FC18 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:09:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@kovesdan.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81C1414D2C41; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:50:59 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at t-hosting.hu Received: from server.mypc.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (server.mypc.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id iq25CEizJakF; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:50:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.105] (catv-80-98-156-89.catv.broadband.hu [80.98.156.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2975F14D2C3E; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:50:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <492B2FCF.5060503@kovesdan.org> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:50:55 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=E1bor_K=F6vesd=E1n?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Manolis Kiagias References: <492AE607.4020208@gmail.com> <20081124135107.06a8af26.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <87abbp3q5o.fsf@kobe.laptop> <492B01C4.6090707@gmail.com> <20081124153358.7a539e67.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <492B2D8C.4090807@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <492B2D8C.4090807@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Tom Rhodes , doc@FreeBSD.org, pgj@FreeBSD.org, keramida@FreeBSD.org, remko@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: A patch for the 'geom' chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:09:51 -0000 Manolis Kiagias escribió: > After our discussion, here again is the "second take" of this patch: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~manolis/geom.txt > > And the build starts here: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~manolis/geom.html > > I tried to address most points, but feel free to send more comments and > fixes. > Take your time, as I won't be looking at this further tonight (it will > only get worse if I do ;) ) > Hi Manolis, I've reviewed this second patch. Nice work, thanks for your efforts! I only found a little nit: + geom_journal.ko kernel will also have to be It should be "kernel module" instead of "kernel". Cheers, -- Kövesdán Gábor EMAIL: gabor@kovesdan.org WWW: http://www.kovesdan.org From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 25 01:26:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797ED1065670; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:26:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.allbsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:2f0:104:e001::32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033418FC1E; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:26:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from delta.allbsd.org (p2191-ipbf1403funabasi.chiba.ocn.ne.jp [118.7.161.191]) (authenticated bits=128) by mail.allbsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAP1PrYK071082; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:26:04 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (alph.allbsd.org [192.168.0.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by delta.allbsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id mAP1PRhT024411; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:25:28 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:25:12 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20081125.102512.193370295.hrs@allbsd.org> To: sonic2000gr@gmail.com From: Hiroki Sato In-Reply-To: <492B2D8C.4090807@gmail.com> References: <20081124153358.7a539e67.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <492B2D8C.4090807@gmail.com> X-PGPkey-fingerprint: BDB3 443F A5DD B3D0 A530 FFD7 4F2C D3D8 2793 CF2D X-Mailer: Mew version 6.1 on Emacs 22.2 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="--Security_Multipart(Tue_Nov_25_10_25_12_2008_952)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on gatekeeper.allbsd.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (mail.allbsd.org [133.31.130.32]); Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:26:06 +0900 (JST) Cc: trhodes@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, pgj@FreeBSD.org, gabor@kovesdan.org, keramida@FreeBSD.org, remko@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: A patch for the 'geom' chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:26:07 -0000 ----Security_Multipart(Tue_Nov_25_10_25_12_2008_952)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Manolis Kiagias wrote in <492B2D8C.4090807@gmail.com>: so> After our discussion, here again is the "second take" of this patch: so> so> http://people.freebsd.org/~manolis/geom.txt One thing: + Permanent labels can be created with the tunefs + or newfs commands. They will then be created I think the &man.tunefs.8; and &man.newfs.8; are better than foo here. -- | Hiroki SATO ----Security_Multipart(Tue_Nov_25_10_25_12_2008_952)-- Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAkkrU/gACgkQTyzT2CeTzy04AQCg03M0fgkgbBtI5vXwfTPZ7XTf ROQAnRacHHuW33rdCl64NjGSDvEWQ57z =1wOH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----Security_Multipart(Tue_Nov_25_10_25_12_2008_952)---- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 25 04:27:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3045E106567A for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:27:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAA3A8FC19 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:27:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id h3so1159367nfh.33 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:26:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wklpIJys32G5rUJIkcsSq8HYypH/sxrq43cITUAPA7k=; b=O82Q/BZkY/1QaBamtG9d3onr6hOP53i0eEUZF0m72sbsU12MMqsA//k4WmTpXbkQ8d iFyoHhFfqpRtg5NZ1ovfE+oaL+nX+YWQh1B3KouXu/QGgSDupC1r5gjqYV19WEFo194a iVxx8/qCIceJC+lmJpAXXjJDtFSo5lbyZxlaw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Pg3u4Q64oXXBxbg6As0D4j3WD60wPPYFk2pwWntP6IQ+pBn2eG7QUePOy8YzlU9Mh3 v7AER4SM0kOMRlRkKohwNfTU9SiqjfSNl0GgB5ZxJW2/OyMWceqkCFTtoBzxqo878JA/ oIhVlmOWw4UhwaOLXVlqYNUVbTi5BqnvhlAb4= Received: by 10.210.21.13 with SMTP id 13mr4336632ebu.95.1227587219308; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:26:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from atlantis.dyndns.org (athedsl-70133.home.otenet.gr [87.203.155.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c4sm591632nfi.13.2008.11.24.20.26.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:26:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <492B7E8E.4070508@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:26:54 +0200 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081011) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hiroki Sato References: <20081124153358.7a539e67.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <492B2D8C.4090807@gmail.com> <20081125.102512.193370295.hrs@allbsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20081125.102512.193370295.hrs@allbsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: trhodes@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, pgj@FreeBSD.org, gabor@kovesdan.org, keramida@FreeBSD.org, remko@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: A patch for the 'geom' chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:27:01 -0000 Hiroki Sato wrote: > Manolis Kiagias wrote > in <492B2D8C.4090807@gmail.com>: > > so> After our discussion, here again is the "second take" of this patch: > so> > so> http://people.freebsd.org/~manolis/geom.txt > > One thing: > > + Permanent labels can be created with the tunefs > + or newfs commands. They will then be created > > I think the &man.tunefs.8; and &man.newfs.8; are better than > foo here. > > -- > | Hiroki SATO > True, will change these. Thanks! 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(catv-89-132-186-236.catv.broadband.hu [89.132.186.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c28sm3174354fka.30.2008.11.24.23.01.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:01:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <492BA2AF.1000907@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 08:01:03 +0100 From: Gabor PALI Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081023) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Manolis Kiagias References: <492AE607.4020208@gmail.com> <20081124135107.06a8af26.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <87abbp3q5o.fsf@kobe.laptop> <492B01C4.6090707@gmail.com> <20081124153358.7a539e67.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <492B2D8C.4090807@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <492B2D8C.4090807@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: =?UTF-8?B?UMOBTEkgR8OhYm9yIErDoW5vcw==?= Cc: Tom Rhodes , doc@FreeBSD.org, gabor@kovesdan.org, keramida@FreeBSD.org, remko@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: A patch for the 'geom' chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:01:10 -0000 Manolis Kiagias wrote: > After our discussion, here again is the "second take" of this patch [..] > I tried to address most points, but feel free to send more comments and > fixes. I hardly find any problems with your proposed patch, it is a really nice work. I am not in GEOM (however, I should really try these things some time), so I have just checked it from the side of markups. I think I found a subtle inconsistency only: initially, you refer to the geom_stripe kernel module without the .ko extension, but after then you refer to geom_journal with a .ko extension. I think you may simply omit the extension in the latter case too. Sorry for my bad habit in advance, but I think I can tell more about this patch when it gets committed and I have to translate it. By the way, I agree with Tom regarding the use of passive voice, it is very common in technical English. In Hungarian, we also employ the mentioned 'courtesy' plural, however I am trying to avoid talking to anybody in the translations. Passive voice in our tongue is not so natural (however people will understand it), so sometimes I have to do some tricks when translating it. I usually fight against the different "-isms" in the translations, I try to suit the sentences to the actual language context. (Well, sometimes it a "sport" for me to speak in Hungarian without addressing anybody...) As far as I remember, only the welcome message in the Handbook translation is (more or less) personal, all the other sentences are composed in a strict technical manner. Hopefully, there are only a few schemes to be adapted to Hungarian, after then the entire translation process could be done without too much thinking. That is why it is kind of a relaxation technique for me. Nice work! :g From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 25 07:55:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 353DD1065672; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:55:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E75EF8FC1A; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:55:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl213-219.kln.forthnet.gr [79.103.26.219]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mAP7skbf010194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:54:51 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mAP7sjnB032029; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:54:45 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mAP7sc3L031316; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:54:38 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Manolis Kiagias References: <20081124153358.7a539e67.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <492B2D8C.4090807@gmail.com> <20081125.102512.193370295.hrs@allbsd.org> <492B7E8E.4070508@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:54:37 +0200 In-Reply-To: <492B7E8E.4070508@gmail.com> (Manolis Kiagias's message of "Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:26:54 +0200") Message-ID: <873ahggs02.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mAP7skbf010194 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.12, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.28, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@freebsd.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: trhodes@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org, pgj@freebsd.org, gabor@kovesdan.org, remko@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A patch for the 'geom' chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:55:09 -0000 On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:26:54 +0200, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > Hiroki Sato wrote: >> Manolis Kiagias wrote >> in <492B2D8C.4090807@gmail.com>: >> >> so> After our discussion, here again is the "second take" of this patch: >> so> >> so> http://people.freebsd.org/~manolis/geom.txt >> >> One thing: >> >> + Permanent labels can be created with the tunefs >> + or newfs commands. They will then be created >> >> I think the &man.tunefs.8; and &man.newfs.8; are better than >> foo here. > > True, will change these. I just finished reading the new patch. Excellent work :) Just a minor point that may make the gjournal parts friendlier to mirror admins. You don't have to hardcode `www.freebsd.org' or the path to the gjournal article into the Handbook. This part: + Please refer to the article Implementing UFS Journaling on a Desktop PC + for detailed instructions on this task. Can be written as: + Please refer to the article Implementing UFS Journaling on + a Desktop PC for detailed instructions on this task. I have updated `doc/share/sgml/urls.ent' to include URL entities for our current set of articles, including gjournal-desktop, so if you update from CVS the patch should build fine either way. Patch approved by me too. 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Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:37:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <492BFFA1.4010205@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:37:37 +0200 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081011) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gabor PALI References: <492AE607.4020208@gmail.com> <20081124135107.06a8af26.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <87abbp3q5o.fsf@kobe.laptop> <492B01C4.6090707@gmail.com> <20081124153358.7a539e67.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <492B2D8C.4090807@gmail.com> <492BA2AF.1000907@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <492BA2AF.1000907@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Tom Rhodes , doc@FreeBSD.org, gabor@kovesdan.org, keramida@FreeBSD.org, remko@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: A patch for the 'geom' chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:37:44 -0000 Gabor PALI wrote: > Manolis Kiagias wrote: > >> After our discussion, here again is the "second take" of this patch [..] >> I tried to address most points, but feel free to send more comments and >> fixes. >> > > I hardly find any problems with your proposed patch, it is a really nice > work. I am not in GEOM (however, I should really try these things some > time), so I have just checked it from the side of markups. > Which I really count on you to do :) > I think I found a subtle inconsistency only: initially, you refer to the > geom_stripe kernel module without the .ko extension, but after then you > refer to geom_journal with a .ko extension. I think you may simply omit > the extension in the latter case too. > Cheers, I'll have a look at this. > Sorry for my bad habit in advance, but I think I can tell more about > this patch when it gets committed and I have to translate it. > > By the way, I agree with Tom regarding the use of passive voice, it is > very common in technical English. In Hungarian, we also employ the > mentioned 'courtesy' plural, however I am trying to avoid talking to > anybody in the translations. Passive voice in our tongue is not so > natural (however people will understand it), so sometimes I have to do > some tricks when translating it. I usually fight against the different > "-isms" in the translations, I try to suit the sentences to the actual > language context. (Well, sometimes it a "sport" for me to speak in > Hungarian without addressing anybody...) > In Greek sometimes the passive voice sounds completely unnatural. I am now used to switching styles when needed. Besides in Greek we don't have the too many "you"s problem, since the verbs change form according to person, hence these references are not needed. > As far as I remember, only the welcome message in the Handbook > translation is (more or less) personal, all the other sentences are > composed in a strict technical manner. Hopefully, there are only a few > schemes to be adapted to Hungarian, after then the entire translation > process could be done without too much thinking. That is why it is kind > of a relaxation technique for me. > > > Nice work! > > Thanks for the review ;) From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 25 13:44:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165F6106567A for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:44:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 972FC8FC25 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:44:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c21so2086358ika.3 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:44:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=iYzAoINA8pJBmt9yq4RwC9Sq936DEhZOY+4OWptv3aU=; b=D5e75Xz8PYj2aLBHVyTFV/FlOXi/rip8IPV0KU2J4yiJ1Mv+dO246vfD771ZvCGspJ Ac43iMHFimrEKu28fdAm+O6hVfhLgJ2QMuA9T/7sNwIRgycIdtxT/DRadw8ePjvrkOh8 aP1PdIKapjjIYn+IiFHPlNfJoej0JfnrYbkHw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=UikhesF4l4vWPoOUjWZlAGibgsCpgnPoA3hcAlYHBJ86eMY5W4QPZR0U3Qk8cLUVOI Sz9jP+9QCrmJpowp7hcbBqi139helKMOpyQjjn2On3fq/vLZsUfwHvVL9v0OuE4hSJs8 JeVOy/w2qo8rxXBAK30ISpV8iSwo9LWW8CoDs= Received: by 10.210.25.19 with SMTP id 19mr1952122eby.114.1227620642374; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:44:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from atlantis.dyndns.org (athedsl-425998.home.otenet.gr [79.131.216.12]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i4sm85063nfh.1.2008.11.25.05.43.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:44:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <492C011D.4040707@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:43:57 +0200 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081011) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Giorgos Keramidas References: <20081124153358.7a539e67.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <492B2D8C.4090807@gmail.com> <20081125.102512.193370295.hrs@allbsd.org> <492B7E8E.4070508@gmail.com> <873ahggs02.fsf@kobe.laptop> In-Reply-To: <873ahggs02.fsf@kobe.laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: trhodes@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org, pgj@freebsd.org, gabor@kovesdan.org, remko@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A patch for the 'geom' chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:44:04 -0000 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:26:54 +0200, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > >> Hiroki Sato wrote: >> >>> Manolis Kiagias wrote >>> in <492B2D8C.4090807@gmail.com>: >>> >>> so> After our discussion, here again is the "second take" of this patch: >>> so> >>> so> http://people.freebsd.org/~manolis/geom.txt >>> >>> One thing: >>> >>> + Permanent labels can be created with the tunefs >>> + or newfs commands. They will then be created >>> >>> I think the &man.tunefs.8; and &man.newfs.8; are better than >>> foo here. >>> >> True, will change these. >> > > I just finished reading the new patch. Excellent work :) > Thanks :) > Just a minor point that may make the gjournal parts friendlier to mirror > admins. You don't have to hardcode `www.freebsd.org' or the path to the > gjournal article into the Handbook. > > This part: > > + Please refer to the article + url="http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/gjournal-desktop">Implementing UFS Journaling on a Desktop PC > + for detailed instructions on this task. > > Can be written as: > > + Please refer to the article + url="&url.articles.gjournal-desktop;">Implementing UFS Journaling on > + a Desktop PC for detailed instructions on this task. > > I have updated `doc/share/sgml/urls.ent' to include URL entities for our > current set of articles, including gjournal-desktop, so if you update > from CVS the patch should build fine either way. > > Patch approved by me too. > > > I knew there would be another way for this long link. Thanks, I'll change it and will probably commit later today. Many thanks to anyone who took the time to review this! manolis@ From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 25 15:02:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26861106564A; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:02:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from pittgoth.com (pittgoth.com [205.134.163.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2EB98FC0C; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:02:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost.fbsdsecure.org (c-68-83-213-214.hsd1.va.comcast.net [68.83.213.214]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAPF23BC024852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:02:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:01:59 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Manolis Kiagias Message-Id: <20081125100159.6229cffa.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <492C011D.4040707@gmail.com> References: <20081124153358.7a539e67.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <492B2D8C.4090807@gmail.com> <20081125.102512.193370295.hrs@allbsd.org> <492B7E8E.4070508@gmail.com> <873ahggs02.fsf@kobe.laptop> <492C011D.4040707@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: trhodes@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, pgj@FreeBSD.org, gabor@kovesdan.org, hrs@FreeBSD.org, keramida@FreeBSD.org, remko@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: A patch for the 'geom' chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:02:24 -0000 On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:43:57 +0200 Manolis Kiagias wrote: > Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:26:54 +0200, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > > > >> Hiroki Sato wrote: > >> > >>> Manolis Kiagias wrote > >>> in <492B2D8C.4090807@gmail.com>: > >>> > >>> so> After our discussion, here again is the "second take" of this patch: > >>> so> > >>> so> http://people.freebsd.org/~manolis/geom.txt > >>> > >>> One thing: > >>> > >>> + Permanent labels can be created with the tunefs > >>> + or newfs commands. They will then be created > >>> > >>> I think the &man.tunefs.8; and &man.newfs.8; are better than > >>> foo here. > >>> > >> True, will change these. > >> > > > > I just finished reading the new patch. Excellent work :) > > > > Thanks :) > > Just a minor point that may make the gjournal parts friendlier to mirror > > admins. You don't have to hardcode `www.freebsd.org' or the path to the > > gjournal article into the Handbook. > > > > This part: > > > > + Please refer to the article > + url="http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/gjournal-desktop">Implementing UFS Journaling on a Desktop PC > > + for detailed instructions on this task. > > > > Can be written as: > > > > + Please refer to the article > + url="&url.articles.gjournal-desktop;">Implementing UFS Journaling on > > + a Desktop PC for detailed instructions on this task. > > > > I have updated `doc/share/sgml/urls.ent' to include URL entities for our > > current set of articles, including gjournal-desktop, so if you update > > from CVS the patch should build fine either way. > > > > Patch approved by me too. > > > > > > > I knew there would be another way for this long link. Thanks, I'll > change it and will probably commit later today. > > Many thanks to anyone who took the time to review this! This has my rubber stamp too - I think all my issues have been pointed out and fixed. Thanks! -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 00:10:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28EFB1065702 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:10:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C4898FC1A for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:10:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mAQ0A02I041324 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:10:00 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mAQ0A0pM041323; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:10:00 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:10:00 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200811260010.mAQ0A0pM041323@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Stephen Hurd Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E5A1065670 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:05:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19CEE8FC0A for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:05:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mAQ058cG091728 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:05:08 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mAQ058Is091716; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:05:08 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200811260005.mAQ058Is091716@www.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:05:08 GMT From: Stephen Hurd To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-3.1 Cc: Subject: docs/129196: Inconsistent errno in strtol() X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:10:01 -0000 >Number: 129196 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Inconsistent errno in strtol() >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Nov 26 00:10:00 UTC 2008 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Stephen Hurd >Release: 7.0-RELEASE >Organization: >Environment: FreeBSD server.hurd.local 7.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE #4: Mon Mar 10 23:00:02 PDT 2008 admin@server.hurd.local:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SERVER i386 >Description: ``strtol("0", NULL, 0);'' and ``strtol("0x", NULL, 0);'' return zero and does not set errno, but ``strtol("", NULL, 0);'' does. Since the documentation says that an octal value is /0?([0-7]+)/ and a hex value is /(?:0x)?([0-9a-zA-Z])/ in none of the cases can a conversion be performed. At least SUSv2 states that EINVAL indicates an invalid base argument, not an invalid nptr argument (I don't have the other standards available) so all of those examples should be consistent with each other (most likely not setting errno). >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 00:12:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C53A106564A for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:12:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@icyb.net.ua) Received: from hosted.kievnet.com (hosted.kievnet.com [193.138.144.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FB8B8FC1D for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:12:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@icyb.net.ua) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=edge.pp.kiev.ua) by hosted.kievnet.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1L56AR-000Jgr-FW for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:13:59 +0200 Message-ID: <492C78A2.4020607@icyb.net.ua> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:13:54 +0200 From: Andriy Gapon User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081005) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: typo in handbook zfs section X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:12:09 -0000 I am reading this now: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/filesystems-zfs.html in section 20.2.1.3 Loader Tunables there is the following obvious typo: vm.kmem_slze="330M" ^- here -- Andriy Gapon From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 04:59:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3738C1065675 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 04:59:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pali.gabor@googlemail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.155]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADDE98FC21 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 04:59:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pali.gabor@googlemail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so176267fgb.35 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:59:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:sender; bh=QK8nv1vATpzv+waAzGyhO4VfVsvA+sE8n1iIY198tGA=; b=HGx35OuDkLk/+tUdqxwQ8amHpsfYg2uoIuvYpSkFFYzvPCcdQcC00HHR1iyonjrp6Y prqvcKRGVYACVj2NoSsgPMOCbqWSI80icFVcqCYw572r42ikjrglDfRQn1mH9Hy+SzOX BHwqPZ6gPg7GWzY89foftOGJz+NPbWM47V4AI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:sender; b=tNjb8LwigZLF2b8LbTh6oV5zZU4FGp483cH6xhp6Qbiayj/F9LX0ddbOqLIexPLLuj lhWIXbGw/elLVMZSKBQ1Q+7k/u5B2+V9VPWwu5lhZ7lBZB/43s/fF2LiKYWpiWBjTBJ8 /YUcuUVf9HzNLnm3zNgCpE0S5FY+JWA+TZoB4= Received: by 10.187.252.4 with SMTP id e4mr1104798fas.7.1227675588684; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:59:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.110? 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I have fixed this, the corrected version should appear on the web site soon. 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/w/www/build/www/en/releases/6.3R/readme.html /usr/local/www/www.freebsd.org/data/releases/6.3R install -C -o www -g wwwadm -m 664 /w/www/build/www/en/releases/6.3R/relnotes-alpha.html /usr/local/www/www.freebsd.org/data/releases/6.3R install -C -o www -g wwwadm -m 664 /w/www/build/www/en/releases/6.3R/relnotes-amd64.html /usr/local/www/www.freebsd.org/data/releases/6.3R install -C -o www -g wwwadm -m 664 /w/www/build/www/en/releases/6.3R/relnotes-i386.html /usr/local/www/www.freebsd.org/data/releases/6.3R install -C -o www -g wwwadm -m 664 /w/www/build/www/en/releases/6.3R/relnotes-pc98.html /usr/local/www/www.freebsd.org/data/releases/6.3R install -C -o www -g wwwadm -m 664 /w/www/build/www/en/releases/6.3R/relnotes-powerpc.html /usr/local/www/www.freebsd.org/data/releases/6.3R install -C -o www -g wwwadm -m 664 /w/www/build/www/en/releases/6.3R/relnotes-sparc64.html /usr/local/www/www.freebsd.org/data/releases/6.3R install -C -o www -g wwwadm -m 664 /w/www/build/www/en/releases/6.3R/docbook.css /usr/local/www/www.freebsd.org/data/releases/6.3R ===> releases/6.4R install -C -o www -g wwwadm -m 664 /w/www/build/www/en/releases/6.4R/announce.html /usr/local/www/www.freebsd.org/data/releases/6.4R install: /usr/local/www/www.freebsd.org/data/releases/6.4R/announce.html: chown/chgrp: Operation not permitted *** Error code 71 Stop in /w/www/build/www/en/releases/6.4R. *** Error code 1 Stop in /w/www/build/www/en/releases. *** Error code 1 Stop in /w/www/build/www/en. 17.39 real 5.20 user 8.83 sys From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 28 18:40:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDABD1065674 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:40:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC2CA8FC22 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:40:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mASIe2X0037920 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:40:02 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mASIe29B037919; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:40:02 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:40:02 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200811281840.mASIe29B037919@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Frank Solensky Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E52AE1065672 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:36:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D58698FC12 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:36:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mASIaawT084177 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:36:36 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mASIaasu084176; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:36:36 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200811281836.mASIaasu084176@www.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:36:36 GMT From: Frank Solensky To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-3.1 Cc: Subject: docs/129263: Obsolete info on collecting a crash dump prior to "dumpon" X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:40:03 -0000 >Number: 129263 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Obsolete info on collecting a crash dump prior to "dumpon" >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Nov 28 18:40:02 UTC 2008 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Frank Solensky >Release: FreeBSD 7.1 Beta2 >Organization: >Environment: n/a >Description: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/developers-handbook/kerneldebug.html#KERNELDEBUG-OBTAIN. The second paragraph of "Configuring the Dump Device" is as follows: Alternatively, the dump device can be hard-coded via the dump clause in the config(5) line of a kernel configuration file. This approach is deprecated and should be used only if a kernel is crashing before dumpon(8) can be executed. It's more than deprecated. Running "config" off a kernel configuration file with "config dump " included results in a "root/dump/swap specification obsolete" error. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 28 20:23:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A96E106564A for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 20:23:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eitanadlerlist@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0CAD8FC0A for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 20:23:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eitanadlerlist@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so638551ywe.13 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:23:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=1jO2sjL8AuTYhgoUgQNAWdYXJGv/8wPhDpKdlsEu+Bw=; b=J3bkCvEZt7KgKNz3jTeKqVFBtLnWG8PwVZi87ODhJgTMeCzwAVUS3L7xLmhNGAjVR9 75cZC1F9eLlWrOl/JHXS4WtgGrMOOy4UXZTCMubZhbV3oP1KEd3qe2fioiF+6p5vqQFo rX5TfwNNPo5zN7fsJh6+rAjIRMOUdV9+x0RQU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :from; b=veAH5EqVGSAGUayyEB9WA0xzzq5l9ooisEmDT4VDE+XU0m7IXDKNsTN3J0jzho4wp8 s9V0tGfEpxie1jNzglFMLJW4sTi/aCApF1B+EqcHQqAFMj1VN4YvsKrMQs1S94V2d0Yy 1oyp1izsaIbf1utEOfkWsR0j5A2uaXoq6WhZc= Received: by 10.90.31.8 with SMTP id e8mr4048840age.6.1227903790177; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:23:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from aargh.lan (ool-182d26f3.dyn.optonline.net [24.45.38.243]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 39sm1656242agb.23.2008.11.28.12.23.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:23:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49305325.9070703@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 15:23:01 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; ) Gecko Thunderbird Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: id=E9C2CCD1; url=pgp.mit.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Eitan Adler Subject: tcsh man page X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 20:23:11 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 in man 1 tcsh http://tcshrc.source-forge.net should not have the "-" The relevant line in src/contrib/tcsh/tcsh.man is \fIhttp://tcshrc.sourceforge.net\fR. which does not have a - Why does the "-" show up? How can it be fixed? - -- Eitan Adler GNU Key fingerptrint: 2E13 BC16 5F54 0FBD 62ED 42B6 B65F 24AB E9C2 CCD1 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkwUyUACgkQtl8kq+nCzNFaDQCdE9HxJBFk9lCCbt264PnwB0Cr NNIAoIuQ9DF7Yh2DDT7/8fVaV7fc+n46 =NO7J -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 28 23:13:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2271C106564A for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 23:13:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-doc@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB5308FC0C for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 23:13:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-doc@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1L6CWw-0002o3-GR for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 23:13:46 +0000 Received: from 200.41.broadband11.iol.cz ([90.178.41.200]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 23:13:46 +0000 Received: from gamato by 200.41.broadband11.iol.cz with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 23:13:46 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org From: martinko Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 00:13:35 +0100 Lines: 12 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 200.41.broadband11.iol.cz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.18) Gecko/20081125 SeaMonkey/1.1.13 Sender: news Subject: Installation Instructions mention vmware2 and not Qemu X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 23:13:53 -0000 Hallo, I've just noticed in FreeBSD 6.4-RELEASE Installation Instructions that in chapter 1.6.6. "Can I run other Operating Systems under FreeBSD?" we point to emulators/vmware2 port which doesn't seem to be in the ports tree anymore. At the same time we don't mention emulators/qemu at all while Qemu is likely the best cross-platform VM solution on FreeBSD at the moment. Cheers, Martin From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 01:44:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087DA106564A for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 01:44:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pali.gabor@googlemail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F13E8FC14 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 01:44:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pali.gabor@googlemail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so1080554fgb.35 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:44:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:x-enigmail-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:sender; bh=cBD8VEYJW8fhfkDJ1uZRBPYMa7tbjvvmkOa5TaK10zM=; b=SN0JbpCjU/YzeSIadqvWNYLcG+kR+9UDDAvY7VMtTDhyXOlVZdukNdznkx3f5HpFdp YeitoIf3Y0ChzGAlvjEjahD5YiU8dFt+CCaCmFHMF5EEhAV0Hlm1WBneYwnpihKU2+HY MGX3klpXRhGw52pgXTsxzjWw/a8t8tOy6W0Nk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :sender; b=NLQS/ZlK0Ma2BUEI6WPJaubalPIDwLQHkLJKRCdUrE5lD7lNPmRcsPdo2lvS7hZX75 cJlPF6YfaG/bo8f8DCWxlNT1tjc7wt86DJ08DUmXsUmLSycDIMpIJiRIDxxA8CmfxPzf HgZbwDWrL8qj/pZXXaFr2JjmC+XfmEoQ6iWrc= Received: by 10.102.234.20 with SMTP id g20mr3398418muh.116.1227923096125; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:44:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.110? (catv-89-132-186-236.catv.broadband.hu [89.132.186.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i5sm1989133mue.26.2008.11.28.17.44.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:44:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49309E91.7050006@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:44:49 +0100 From: Gabor PALI Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081023) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: =?UTF-8?B?UMOBTEkgR8OhYm9yIErDoW5vcw==?= Subject: RFR: A Pack of Patches for Chapter "SGML Markup" in FDP Primer X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 01:44:58 -0000 Hello, I encountered some interesting parts in the SGML Markup chapter [1] during translation of the FDP Primer [2], so I decided to fix them up and send the corresponding patch in small pieces to this list. I would like you to check and comment these patches before I commit them. My proposed changes are as follows: http://people.freebsd.org/~pgj/patches/2008/11/29/doc.en.books.fdp-primer.sgml-markup.patch/1.diff I think there is no need for this "baroque" notation, since I could not find any other instances in the document. http://people.freebsd.org/~pgj/patches/2008/11/29/doc.en.books.fdp-primer.sgml-markup.patch/2.diff Oh, yeah. Ports Collection should be capitalized. http://people.freebsd.org/~pgj/patches/2008/11/29/doc.en.books.fdp-primer.sgml-markup.patch/3.diff I think word "of" should be "or" because we are talking about "rowspan and/or colspan attributes", so it would rhyme with "number of rows or columns" or "number of rows and/or columns". http://people.freebsd.org/~pgj/patches/2008/11/29/doc.en.books.fdp-primer.sgml-markup.patch/4.diff In my opinion, some literals and attributes want a element. http://people.freebsd.org/~pgj/patches/2008/11/29/doc.en.books.fdp-primer.sgml-markup.patch/5.diff Remove leftovers of the first-person narration, add more generalization to the text, refer to the Handbook just as an example. Update path and names of the Handbook sources. http://people.freebsd.org/~pgj/patches/2008/11/29/doc.en.books.fdp-primer.sgml-markup.patch/6.diff Add some missing text to the
example. http://people.freebsd.org/~pgj/patches/2008/11/29/doc.en.books.fdp-primer.sgml-markup.patch/7.diff I think there is no example of tables with borders, however the text mentions it. Perhaps it would be a better idea to show a table with borders and a table without borders. http://people.freebsd.org/~pgj/patches/2008/11/29/doc.en.books.fdp-primer.sgml-markup.patch/8.diff Simplify some parts of the manual page markup example, and fix all sendmail-related manual page sections from 8 to 1 (Whoops). http://people.freebsd.org/~pgj/patches/2008/11/29/doc.en.books.fdp-primer.sgml-markup.patch/9.diff Host bento.FreeBSD.org does not exist. Replace it with pointyhat. Let us have a working example. http://people.freebsd.org/~pgj/patches/2008/11/29/doc.en.books.fdp-primer.sgml-markup.patch/10.diff I think the example for elements includes some unnecessary tags :) http://people.freebsd.org/~pgj/patches/2008/11/29/doc.en.books.fdp-primer.sgml-markup.patch/11.diff Add missing parentheses. Thanks for the replies. Regards, :g [1] http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/fdp-primer/sgml-markup.html [2] http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/fdp-primer/ From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 02:06:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC811065673 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:06:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [87.229.73.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB698FC0A for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:06:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B66DF14D7E1F; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:56:05 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at t-hosting.hu Received: from server.mypc.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (server.mypc.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 1Uql1EAR05kU; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:56:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.105] (catv-80-98-156-89.catv.broadband.hu [80.98.156.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E077614D7E1C; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:56:02 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4930A131.60108@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:56:01 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=E1bor_K=F6vesd=E1n?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gabor PALI References: <49309E91.7050006@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <49309E91.7050006@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFR: A Pack of Patches for Chapter "SGML Markup" in FDP Primer X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:06:50 -0000 Wow! The new pgj patchbombs are arriving. :) > > http://people.freebsd.org/~pgj/patches/2008/11/29/doc.en.books.fdp-primer.sgml-markup.patch/2.diff > > Oh, yeah. Ports Collection should be capitalized. > We could even put   between them. It is a proper name, it would look strange separated. > > http://people.freebsd.org/~pgj/patches/2008/11/29/doc.en.books.fdp-primer.sgml-markup.patch/3.diff > > I think word "of" should be "or" because we are talking about "rowspan > and/or colspan attributes", so it would rhyme with "number of rows or > columns" or "number of rows and/or columns". > I think you are right here. And I agree with the other ones, as well, I think they are all reasonable suggestions. Best, -- Gabor Kovesdan EMAIL: gabor@FreeBSD.org WWW: http://www.kovesdan.org From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 02:10:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 480B91065676 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:10:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pali.gabor@googlemail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83478FC0C for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:10:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pali.gabor@googlemail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i2so1438085mue.3 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:10:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:sender; bh=20xEWyinF42M15brmNOmTQ6Sb4kmYmLTFWxy73hoXks=; b=gq4kus4SHw5JxBel249UCiRtB6D02K0cle0NIVaUaB5rxJ4m4P9YYTQ0qi56zPrpmX NBl9oggOA2HEX67x3FtsxEbUdK8+PxxchsemXyvn2/Yw6h/zspmKB5Be2CsHVZ7FziOY XCr2HU/g0g8JHQ8r/2fGqbfGMz1wWGzr6zwS0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:sender; b=LrfdJpCQHNivtfsT+S3ao4jkg/mkX8AbIt/oE7ILydLTTaf9ygJ+cfA7c9EpJmKUs/ V7Yytec+H3eFP52hoi3n0ahwh0M85WEFBvcIGY155mnY6EKI99+1Fu0wDOkXEa7Q26Lm IeqOjeZ+Ox6aOK8zNYwTy55d4RsrtBeR573Pk= Received: by 10.103.160.9 with SMTP id m9mr3407443muo.53.1227924605491; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:10:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.110? (catv-89-132-186-236.catv.broadband.hu [89.132.186.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 12sm3166340muq.40.2008.11.28.18.10.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:10:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4930A475.2010908@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 03:09:57 +0100 From: Gabor PALI Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081023) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=E1bor_K=F6vesd=E1n?= References: <49309E91.7050006@FreeBSD.org> <4930A131.60108@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4930A131.60108@FreeBSD.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: =?UTF-8?B?UMOBTEkgR8OhYm9yIErDoW5vcw==?= Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFR: A Pack of Patches for Chapter "SGML Markup" in FDP Primer X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:10:07 -0000 Gábor Kövesdán wrote: > Wow! The new pgj patchbombs are arriving. :) > Sorry, I think I missed to upload and link the largest one: http://people.freebsd.org/~pgj/patches/2008/11/29/doc.en.books.fdp-primer.sgml-markup.patch/0.diff In this patch, I suggest a capitalization according to the "headline style" of Chicago Manual of Style (15th Edition), paragraph 8.167. Thanks! :g From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 06:52:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 520D11065677 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 06:52:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAB178FC25 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 06:52:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 30so2078842ugs.39 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:52:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VnesOSoouKguDe4yPp3er4TQes3GcKlx6CxZRTsuyx0=; b=Qx84ll818FyyQx5VCeb/NwLzRYGUBIcZUJWaiR+NTYp9niSkYKUlhFQRXo9qb23zAv 55Os99WL/3327vi7gzYAyxawsdvvkEcev5tsJvq898fNV5BQGR67yBitZmKH21PqlD5R n7MMrlBoTdkZylyrqN/9XokbxqEufiFDRBxUQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ffkisM9Slm5LTpMEGogffKFu7OsgPcyUScnnVMPoZ09vLYE0NfjPYAPESDP2JRy75y j7Wi6FXA98I/vYHo3WfJXRXUFhTZUAdVgnUDQVyOJINpaHrtBKlkBmL2wx5gNiLy93X8 Ns5+tzDTDv2AHsKCUamiqeEoOsQPPMhUySyVU= Received: by 10.67.116.8 with SMTP id t8mr1549415ugm.53.1227941522587; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:52:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from atlantis.dyndns.org (athedsl-12874.home.otenet.gr [87.202.50.174]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b39sm3161748ugf.38.2008.11.28.22.52.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:52:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4930E68E.4090903@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 08:51:58 +0200 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081011) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gabor PALI References: <49309E91.7050006@FreeBSD.org> <4930A131.60108@FreeBSD.org> <4930A475.2010908@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4930A475.2010908@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFR: A Pack of Patches for Chapter "SGML Markup" in FDP Primer X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 06:52:04 -0000 Gabor PALI wrote: > Gábor Kövesdán wrote: > >> Wow! The new pgj patchbombs are arriving. :) >> >> > > Sorry, I think I missed to upload and link the largest one: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~pgj/patches/2008/11/29/doc.en.books.fdp-primer.sgml-markup.patch/0.diff > > In this patch, I suggest a capitalization according to the "headline > style" of Chicago Manual of Style (15th Edition), paragraph 8.167. > > > Thanks! > > :g > _______________________________________________ > All the patches look fine to me too ;) Funny what subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) things can one find while translating... manolis@ From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 13:47:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 750F11065686 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 13:47:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from r.c.ladan@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3767B8FC19 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 13:47:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from r.c.ladan@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so711026ywe.13 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 05:47:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=mjO93w0bNA9Fch9E9gBoF8H97eLr3CzGTjADDVQTDs8=; b=e6O5LpDUM4GUUD29bxLL37VoDlWUy+E4xDN+InHJdcwTeCVxCiW6MqOeT5Xe97LvaL Oj1wgAzAvgh/Q0+8e4eKTHsuNhclw/y4zlUS0y9rHVrvw1c/W+dVAREyPcWl9Nwz+3ZH /nwRXwYCFk6sHqqWVs4GgyvCVvssR58mcYjiM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=osEJhxhDzl4ydVsGl7MqtY9+8IPu28MyLr/g+X4uBCa/97zMxqTFSpCPz7BrugoDSG 41S6gddlkym61E6H0cMxzwtdgysryg99AO1NQC8FsQaFsmM4qGtLLBy4jh8+IDvsfSyq mgjyXSKJGi/URaiMlpCyBbCLKJZI4lpotOYFk= Received: by 10.151.48.15 with SMTP id a15mr843505ybk.189.1227966461452; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 05:47:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.54.9 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 05:47:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:47:41 +0100 From: "Rene Ladan" To: "Gabor PALI" In-Reply-To: <4930A475.2010908@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <49309E91.7050006@FreeBSD.org> <4930A131.60108@FreeBSD.org> <4930A475.2010908@FreeBSD.org> Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=E1bor_K=F6vesd=E1n?= Subject: Re: RFR: A Pack of Patches for Chapter "SGML Markup" in FDP Primer X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 13:47:42 -0000 2008/11/29 Gabor PALI : > G=E1bor K=F6vesd=E1n wrote: >> Wow! The new pgj patchbombs are arriving. :) >> > > Sorry, I think I missed to upload and link the largest one: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~pgj/patches/2008/11/29/doc.en.books.fdp-primer= .sgml-markup.patch/0.diff > > In this patch, I suggest a capitalization according to the "headline > style" of Chicago Manual of Style (15th Edition), paragraph 8.167. > > The patches look fine to me. Maybe you can replace some instances of "FreeBSD" with "&os;" while you're at it. I'm slightly amazed that the book built with incorrect tags (see patch 11). But the documentation seems to build with missing end tags in general. Is = there a way to check this automatically? Regards, Rene --=20 http://www.rene-ladan.nl/ GPG fingerprint =3D E738 5471 D185 7013 0EE0 4FC8 3C1D 6F83 12E1 84F6 (subkeys.pgp.net) From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 14:06:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09657106564A; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:06:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [87.229.73.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB718FC0A; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:06:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0AA114D7266; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:06:31 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at t-hosting.hu Received: from server.mypc.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (server.mypc.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id ElOT0SmgaUaE; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:06:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.105] (catv-80-98-156-89.catv.broadband.hu [80.98.156.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9EC7714D722A; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:06:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <49314C64.7000203@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:06:28 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=E1bor_K=F6vesd=E1n?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rene Ladan References: <49309E91.7050006@FreeBSD.org> <4930A131.60108@FreeBSD.org> <4930A475.2010908@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Gabor PALI , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFR: A Pack of Patches for Chapter "SGML Markup" in FDP Primer X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:06:33 -0000 Rene Ladan escribió: > 2008/11/29 Gabor PALI : > >> Gábor Kövesdán wrote: >> >>> Wow! The new pgj patchbombs are arriving. :) >>> >>> >> Sorry, I think I missed to upload and link the largest one: >> >> http://people.freebsd.org/~pgj/patches/2008/11/29/doc.en.books.fdp-primer.sgml-markup.patch/0.diff >> >> In this patch, I suggest a capitalization according to the "headline >> style" of Chicago Manual of Style (15th Edition), paragraph 8.167. >> >> >> > The patches look fine to me. Maybe you can replace some instances of > "FreeBSD" with "&os;" while you're at it. > > I'm slightly amazed that the book built with incorrect tags > (see patch 11). > But the documentation seems to build with missing end tags in general. Is there > a way to check this automatically? > In fact, missing end tags are not always incorrect. :) This is a feature of SGML, which is not true any more in XML. Among the other ones it is one reason why XML is considered cleaner and more practical. SGML also contains some additonal markup minimalization techniques because in the glorious days of SGML, when the capacity of the media was an important bottleneck, it was considered to be an advantage. Some weird SGML examples: This is a paragraph with a filename. 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(catv-89-132-186-236.catv.broadband.hu [89.132.186.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u9sm4179438muf.34.2008.11.29.06.47.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 29 Nov 2008 06:47:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <493155ED.8020004@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:47:09 +0100 From: Gabor PALI Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081023) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: =?UTF-8?B?UMOBTEkgR8OhYm9yIErDoW5vcw==?= Subject: RFR: A "Boot Time Splash Screens" Section to the Handbook X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:47:18 -0000 Hello there, A few weeks ago Joseph J. Barbish has contributed a section on boot time splash screens for the FreeBSD Handbook [1], and after a short discussion it was requested for comments whether to be really included it or not [2]. It received a very positive feedback on the topic, so I created the SGML version of it, that you can study in form of a patch [3] and a compiled HTML page [4]. Please, review, comment and send me your ideas on how to make it better (and fix it up). Obviously, because I am not a native speaker of English, it may contain mistakes (I am sure), so review of native speakers are the most welcome, however review of avid users of the presented boot time splash screen feature are also important for this patch. Thank you for the replies in advance. Cheers, :g PS: For your information, after its commit, I plan to rewrite the corresponding FAQ entry about splash screens to reference this section of the Handbook. [1] http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-doc/2008-November/014989.html [2] http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-doc/2008-November/015007.html [3] http://people.freebsd.org/~pgj/patches/2008/11/29/splash.screen.section.patch.diff [4] http://people.freebsd.org/~pgj/patches/2008/11/29/html/boot-blocks.html#BOOT-SPLASH From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 15:43:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36C41065670 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:43:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3518F8FC12 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:43:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id h3so966153nfh.33 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:43:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=QO3YxFHizFGWenq5kGEqq6Y2xETD2gODpc+jsIhMZsg=; b=YrcD5igtKrbx8nx+AZHsqNdsZ/yrlBsdHZP5KKaj/NRZQvXzzTCM1QyNa1ty9s3/7t WmZGrmpAVj/wlTDhpKCo1/WqBIMMfvXEuoAx+EklVb37QRcRmrCC9XQhb0CWXTqlFjxW 4T7Vjl6pv9RBWZUFLIzFK06lZi29pmTuoIgFU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=MqkS56SAqSUOaTdRlG13Gs5/+e1wdWqpatK6I1ibic4a9/G5wwuMDRz8B4HU5QkTHf jzIZysAUCJSxfzSK79z60HhW5Xn8078C4iGA/AL5xwsM6ZfTF7cVu9w4rtyE/+1w53Aa 0zoxFqQ2/qn/aaWzyGpZObj94rAjsnaomGMRA= Received: by 10.210.14.26 with SMTP id 26mr2648475ebn.125.1227973390015; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:43:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from atlantis.dyndns.org (athedsl-12874.home.otenet.gr [87.202.50.174]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d23sm10727840nfh.11.2008.11.29.07.43.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:43:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49316309.1050407@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:43:05 +0200 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081011) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gabor PALI References: <493155ED.8020004@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <493155ED.8020004@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFR: A "Boot Time Splash Screens" Section to the Handbook X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:43:11 -0000 Gabor PALI wrote: > Hello there, > > A few weeks ago Joseph J. Barbish has contributed a section on boot time > splash screens for the FreeBSD Handbook [1], and after a short > discussion it was requested for comments whether to be really included > it or not [2]. It received a very positive feedback on the topic, so I > created the SGML version of it, that you can study in form of a patch > [3] and a compiled HTML page [4]. > > Please, review, comment and send me your ideas on how to make it better > (and fix it up). Obviously, because I am not a native speaker of > English, it may contain mistakes (I am sure), so review of native > speakers are the most welcome, however review of avid users of the > presented boot time splash screen feature are also important for this patch. > > Thank you for the replies in advance. > > Cheers, > :g > > > PS: For your information, after its commit, I plan to rewrite the > corresponding FAQ entry about splash screens to reference this section > of the Handbook. > > [1] http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-doc/2008-November/014989.html > [2] http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-doc/2008-November/015007.html > [3] > http://people.freebsd.org/~pgj/patches/2008/11/29/splash.screen.section.patch.diff > [4] > http://people.freebsd.org/~pgj/patches/2008/11/29/html/boot-blocks.html#BOOT-SPLASH > > Once again very nice work! Here are a few nits you may want to act on. I have not used splash screens for a long time as I don't need them (my desktop literally does not know what a 'reboot' is), so I can't tell about technical accuracy. It does seem ok though. "After the system finished booting, a virtual..." should probably be: "After the system finishes booting..." "...put the user in a graphical desktop" : I don't like using "put" for this (yes, my bikeshed is green), I would probably rephrase it to something like "...present the user with a graphical desktop" "Note that, a 320x200 “splash screen” image will be displayed as a small block in the center of a solid white background screen." => I don't understand what you mean by this. Since the resolution at boot will be 320x200, the splash screen will still fill the entire screen. Do you mean to compare the size of the image to a typical desktop? "To support larger video resolutions up to the maximum of the video card is, activate...": The "is" here is obviously a mistake. You can rephrase this in a number of ways. I would go with something to avoid repeating words like "resolution" and "support" many times in the same sentence. Example: "To use larger images, up to the maximum resolution supported by {the|your} video card, activate..." "will change to the splash screen and cycles through": "cycle" instead of "cycles" While discussing text mode screensavers, it might be worth mentioning that you can get the list of available savers by ls /boot/kernel/*saver.ko or something along that line. " When a PCX file desired, use these statements plus.." => If a PCX file is desired... (the missing 'is' is the problem, you can keep "when") "It is not restricted to use “splash” as file name,..." => Haha, let me revenge the passive voice here :) What you really want to say here is "You are not restricted to use "splash"..." but since we are not talking to the user, we must rephrase. You just can't start with "It" because at this point it does not refer to anything. Something like: "The file name is not really restricted to "splash" as shown in the above example. It can be anything..." "There are 2 another possible" => "There are another 2..." (or better, "two") "be still present" => "still be present" I also feel some longer sentences could use a few commas. I did not make any notes on these (I was too lazy...) but you will probably get them from reading the build. I've only peeked at the SGML, but I am sure there is nothing to fix there :) Cheers, manolis@ From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 17:57:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED1551065672 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:57:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lgusenet@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D2B8FC1F for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:57:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lgusenet@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 31958 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2008 17:30:42 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 29 Nov 2008 17:30:42 -0000 Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.6]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C07B50822; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:30:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 3DB3F1CD39; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:30:39 -0500 (EST) To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: <49305325.9070703@gmail.com> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:30:38 -0500 In-Reply-To: <49305325.9070703@gmail.com> (Eitan Adler's message of "Fri\, 28 Nov 2008 15\:23\:01 -0500") Message-ID: <44ljv2qw1t.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: Subject: Re: tcsh man page X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:57:24 -0000 eitanadlerlist@gmail.com (Eitan Adler) writes: > in man 1 tcsh > http://tcshrc.source-forge.net should not have the "-" > The relevant line in src/contrib/tcsh/tcsh.man is > \fIhttp://tcshrc.sourceforge.net\fR. > which does not have a - > Why does the "-" show up? How can it be fixed? That's the line-wrap caused by the URL being split across two lines. I'm not sure what the right fix would be; is there a way to keep a string from being split? Maybe forcing a newline first would be the best that can be done? And such a fix would have to be portable enough to be accept upstream... From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 21:10:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ECDB1065679 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:10:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 512888FC1F for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:10:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mATLA9AA090254 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:10:09 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mATLA9xn090247; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:10:09 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:10:09 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200811292110.mATLA9xn090247@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Yuri Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3445D1065670 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:04:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 282988FC1A for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:04:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mATL4Ebq005787 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:04:14 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mATL4EmQ005786; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:04:14 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200811292104.mATL4EmQ005786@www.freebsd.org> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:04:14 GMT From: Yuri To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-3.1 Cc: Subject: docs/129281: Audio CD ripping/duplication shouldn't recommend the use of non endianness safe dd/burncd commands X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:10:09 -0000 >Number: 129281 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Audio CD ripping/duplication shouldn't recommend the use of non endianness safe dd/burncd commands >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Nov 29 21:10:08 UTC 2008 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Yuri >Release: 7.1-PRERELEASE >Organization: >Environment: >Description: In the Handbook section "18.6.5 Duplicating Audio CDs" it's recommended to treat SCSI and ATAPI drives differently. For ATAPI drives the use of dd/burncd combination is recommended. In reality burncd doesn't work on all drives -- there is a long standing bug: bin/118207: burncd(8) gives I/O error writing CD on Pioneer DVDR-112D/1.21 And 'cdrecord' command that I tried instead expects different endianness than the one produced by 'dd'. Also 'dd' command doesn't always work on audio devices, here is the excerpt from the conversation with Joerg Schilling where he expressed these arguments: Here is a list of cons for dd even on FreeBSD: - dd may not work with all drives - Do you know what byteorder you get from a MMC CD-ROM drive on FreeBSD/Sparc? You would need network byteorder on Sparc but the MMC CD-ROM drive delivers intel byteorder due to a bug in the MMC standard cdrecord always asumes network byte order for RAW audio data, this is reasonable - Why would you deal with raw audio data at all if there are audio file formats that include a notation for byte order and sampling rates? - There is no jitter check and no quality control with dd on FreeBSD, cdda2wav works on all OS and has jitter control and qualiti control with e.g. libparanoia. - There is no way to get the correct CD structure back if you use dd. Cdda2wav reads meta-data and puts them into *.inf files. - With dd, you cannot read intentionally defective media as sold by the music mafia. It's much better to always deal with endianness-safe commands/formats. My proposition: Sub-section "ATAPI Drives" should be deleted. Title of "SCSI Drives" should be changed to "SCSI/ATAPI Drives". ATAPI drives are exposed as SCSI devices so there should be no problem. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: