From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 5 20:47:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22AAE106564A; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 20:47:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from rip.psg.com (rip.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::39]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 008208FC1A; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 20:47:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from 50.216.138.210.bn.2iij.net ([210.138.216.50] helo=rmac.psg.com) by rip.psg.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1KFEfW-0008Cl-CH; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 20:47:42 +0000 Message-ID: <486FDDED.20403@psg.com> Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 05:47:41 +0900 From: Randy Bush User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Watson References: <784966050807021123l267aa20en39eb513c12c90ad2@mail.gmail.com> <20080702235800.H47773@fledge.watson.org> <486C8700.5020100@lobraun.de> <20080703092511.T69986@fledge.watson.org> <486F8C57.9050908@wubethiopia.com> <20080705161614.O19209@fledge.watson.org> In-Reply-To: <20080705161614.O19209@fledge.watson.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 02:02:01 +0000 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sysinstall is still inadequate after all of these years X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 20:47:43 -0000 > Sounds pretty much in line with what I was looking for. However, I > think I would like to see it be a bit more complete than sysinstall in > the area of geom partition labeling (concat/strip/raid/encryption), and > perhaps also ZFS support. I realize that adds complexity a fair amount, > but one of the biggest areas of feature lack in sysinstall today is that > you are basically stuck with the original BSD partition structure and > UFS, whereas we expect increasing numbers of users to deploy ZFS. We > don't have boot support currently, but being able to set up /data as a > ZFS file system would be great. Today, people have to do an initial > install on, say, a small boot partition and then relabel/deal with the > rest of the disk, boot a live CD, or worse, discover they have to > repartition, which really fails to expose some of the excellent > ease-of-use, auto-configuration, etc, features that we otherwise have in > this area. i suspect many folk installing zfs want a gmirrored boot partition, as i do. and setting zfs up is trivial next to doing a gmirrored boot on two small partitions on the two drives. but with the varied file system options and strategies we have, ufs, zfs, gmirror, crypted, ... i suspect that trying to get sysinstall to support us all is a path to having sysinstall need a dvd as opposed to a cd-rom. randy From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 6 07:27:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A49191065681; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 07:27:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mtm@wubethiopia.com) Received: from dire.wubethiopia.com (j071.v.rootbsd.net [208.79.82.223]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F848FC0C; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 07:27:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mtm@wubethiopia.com) Received: from rogue.mike.lan (unknown [213.55.87.239]) by dire.wubethiopia.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 616304FD97EE; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 07:25:56 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <487074AA.20103@wubethiopia.com> Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 10:30:50 +0300 From: Mike Makonnen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080323) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Watson References: <784966050807021123l267aa20en39eb513c12c90ad2@mail.gmail.com> <20080702235800.H47773@fledge.watson.org> <486C8700.5020100@lobraun.de> <20080703092511.T69986@fledge.watson.org> <486F8C57.9050908@wubethiopia.com> <20080705161614.O19209@fledge.watson.org> In-Reply-To: <20080705161614.O19209@fledge.watson.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Lothar Braun , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sysinstall is still inadequate after all of these years X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 07:27:02 -0000 Robert Watson wrote: > On Sat, 5 Jul 2008, Mike Makonnen wrote: > >> The installer can already install a basic FreeBSD system (including >> the ports collection) from CD, UFS, or DOS partition. I'm currently >> working on getting FTP/HTTP/NFS installation to work. Next on my list >> after that is setting Date and Time Zone. At that stage the installer >> will be more or less feature-complete, and I can start code cleanup, >> getting it to work on additional architectures, etc. I had initially >> intended to include package installation as one of the criteria for >> feature-completeness, but after reading through this thread I've >> decided not to use sysinstall's package installation code and instead >> write one from scratch once I'm happy with the rest of the installer. > > Sounds pretty much in line with what I was looking for. However, I > think I would like to see it be a bit more complete than sysinstall in > the area of geom partition labeling (concat/strip/raid/encryption), > and perhaps also ZFS support. I realize that adds complexity a fair > amount, but one of the biggest areas of feature lack in sysinstall > today is that you are basically stuck with the original BSD partition > structure and UFS, whereas we expect increasing numbers of users to > deploy ZFS. We don't have boot support currently, but being able to > set up /data as a ZFS file system would be great. Today, people have > to do an initial install on, say, a small boot partition and then > relabel/deal with the rest of the disk, boot a live CD, or worse, > discover they have to repartition, which really fails to expose some > of the excellent ease-of-use, auto-configuration, etc, features that > we otherwise have in this area. I agree absolutely. I should have said ".... more or less feature-complete for a 1.0 release". Cheers. -- Mike Makonnen | GPG-KEY: http://people.freebsd.org/~mtm/mtm.asc mtm @ FreeBSD.Org | AC7B 5672 2D11 F4D0 EBF8 5279 5359 2B82 7CD4 1F55 FreeBSD | http://www.freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 6 07:37:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA1581065676; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 07:37:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 499118FC19; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 07:37:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl135-103.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.254.103]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-4) with ESMTP id m667Wivw020286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 6 Jul 2008 10:32:50 +0300 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m667Wi6l037727; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 10:32:44 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m667Wg1h037693; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 10:32:42 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Holger Kipp References: <784966050807021123l267aa20en39eb513c12c90ad2@mail.gmail.com> <486BFE3B.3040509@gmail.com> <486C0928.8050607@yahoo.fr> <20080703085629.GA1590@intserv.int1.b.intern> Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 10:32:41 +0300 In-Reply-To: <20080703085629.GA1590@intserv.int1.b.intern> (Holger Kipp's message of "Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:56:29 +0200") Message-ID: <877ibzlb6u.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: m667Wivw020286 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.758, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.64, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, jan6146@gmail.com, Curtis Penner , Antoine BRUNEL Subject: Re: Sysinstall is still inadequate after all of these years X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 07:37:16 -0000 On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:56:29 +0200, Holger Kipp wrote: > Dear Antoine Brunel, > > I completely 100% agree. Actually I don't see the need for a new > sysinstall. It does what it needs to do. I have seen the later > RH- and SUSE-Installer, but I don't want them. What's the use of > a graphical installer? Graphical installers are not useless. They usually 'look' easier for the average user. They may not always _be_ easier to use, but it is often the first impression that counts. Localization tends to be easier for GUI installers too. Now, it may seem pretty useless for someone who knows English already, but a *lot* of people feel more comfortable with an installer that speaks their native language. After the installation is finished, English may be a lot more useful (think "manpages", for instance). But it still 'looks' nicer to be able to install in one's native language. > I am more than happy with sysinstall, have used it for years (starting > with 2.2.8 actually) and don't want to see a colorful chingeling > whistleblowing hard-to-maintain suitable for all graphics card gui > installer. Agreed :) From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 6 07:47:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A7F61065679; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 07:47:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C6268FC15; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 07:47:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl135-103.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.254.103]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-4) with ESMTP id m667lQw3020831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 6 Jul 2008 10:47:32 +0300 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m667lQY4060324; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 10:47:26 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m667lP9D060229; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 10:47:25 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: "Aggelidis Nikos" References: <784966050807022128g6a6ebfebtc1f57c0da66779bc@mail.gmail.com> <20080703215537.6F3114504E@ptavv.es.net> <784966050807032126m69eedb98nf0ccaed548fc96ef@mail.gmail.com> <486DA7FC.8050304@math.missouri.edu> <784966050807032138g7ed2da8chf15f185a6a6bf302@mail.gmail.com> <486DB3CB.9000906@infoweapons.com> <30fc78250807032338p2388be7ax56e1ae38aaafadd8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 10:47:25 +0300 In-Reply-To: <30fc78250807032338p2388be7ax56e1ae38aaafadd8@mail.gmail.com> (Aggelidis Nikos's message of "Fri, 4 Jul 2008 09:38:37 +0300") Message-ID: <873amnlaia.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: m667lQw3020831 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.759, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.64, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sysinstall is still inadequate after all of these years / sorry I started flame war X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 07:47:45 -0000 On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 09:38:37 +0300, "Aggelidis Nikos" wrote: >> I'm sorry I started a kind of flame war. All I wanted was two >> things: 1. CD's that installed without being switched in and out >> dozens of times. That was fixed by the suggestion of using a DVD. I >> didn't even know the DVD install existed, but will do that next time. > > I also had the same problem {cd switching} to get around it, i created > an installation DVD with all the contents of cd1-2-3. You can find > such guide Hi Nikos :) The DVD-ROM doesn't even have to be bootable. Just collecting all the `packages/All/*' files from the CD-ROMs in a single directory makes it much easier to run: # cd /nfs/blah ; pkg_add vim* From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 6 07:51:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A9E4106567A; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 07:51:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BCA38FC0A; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 07:51:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl135-103.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.254.103]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-4) with ESMTP id m667pDY0020980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 6 Jul 2008 10:51:19 +0300 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m667pDg9087563; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 10:51:13 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m667pCND087309; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 10:51:12 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: "Paul B. Mahol" References: <784966050807022128g6a6ebfebtc1f57c0da66779bc@mail.gmail.com> <20080703215537.6F3114504E@ptavv.es.net> <784966050807032126m69eedb98nf0ccaed548fc96ef@mail.gmail.com> <868wwhhmms.fsf@ds4.des.no> <486E14F2.3060906@psg.com> <3a142e750807040531k27938f0ay9bd9923ec57f3f1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 10:51:10 +0300 In-Reply-To: <3a142e750807040531k27938f0ay9bd9923ec57f3f1@mail.gmail.com> (Paul B. Mahol's message of "Fri, 4 Jul 2008 14:31:51 +0200") Message-ID: <87y74fjvrl.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: m667pDY0020980 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.759, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.64, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Randy Bush , Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Rob Lytle , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sysinstall is still inadequate after all of these years / sorry I started flame war X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 07:51:30 -0000 On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 14:31:51 +0200, "Paul B. Mahol" wrote: > On 7/4/08, Randy Bush wrote: >>> This is why there are precompiled packages on ftp.freebsd.org which you >>> can install with 'pkg_add -r'. You can install them from any FTP >>> mirror, actually; just point PACKAGEROOT at the mirror: >> >> why isn't this stuff in the docs? oh, it is! silly me. is the problem >> that there are just too much doc or two little reading? >> >> > > It is in pkg_add(1), If you are talking about handbook only > PACKAGESITE is documented: should get fixed. Hi Paul, Can you please open a docs/* problem report for this? Feel free to add `keramida' to the `X-GNATS-Notify:' header. I'll try to add at least a reference to pkg_add(1) to read more about the `PACKAGEROOT' environment variable. I'm just getting back from a 8-10 day period of ${offline_world} stuff, but it would be a shame to lose the opportunity to document this, because it got hidden in the `noise' of the mailing lists. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 6 08:00:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 719F21065676; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 08:00:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A388FC18; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 08:00:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl135-103.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.254.103]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-4) with ESMTP id m6680akp021381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 6 Jul 2008 11:00:42 +0300 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6680aAW039270; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 11:00:36 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m6680a8u039269; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 11:00:36 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: "Paul B. Mahol" References: <784966050807022128g6a6ebfebtc1f57c0da66779bc@mail.gmail.com> <20080703215537.6F3114504E@ptavv.es.net> <784966050807032126m69eedb98nf0ccaed548fc96ef@mail.gmail.com> <868wwhhmms.fsf@ds4.des.no> <486E14F2.3060906@psg.com> <3a142e750807040531k27938f0ay9bd9923ec57f3f1@mail.gmail.com> <87y74fjvrl.fsf@kobe.laptop> Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 11:00:36 +0300 In-Reply-To: <87y74fjvrl.fsf@kobe.laptop> (Giorgos Keramidas's message of "Sun, 06 Jul 2008 10:51:10 +0300") Message-ID: <87bq1bigrf.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: m6680akp021381 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.759, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.64, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Randy Bush , Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Rob Lytle , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sysinstall is still inadequate after all of these years / sorry I started flame war X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 08:00:50 -0000 On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 10:51:10 +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 14:31:51 +0200, "Paul B. Mahol" wrote: >> On 7/4/08, Randy Bush wrote: >>>> This is why there are precompiled packages on ftp.freebsd.org which you >>>> can install with 'pkg_add -r'. You can install them from any FTP >>>> mirror, actually; just point PACKAGEROOT at the mirror: >>> >>> why isn't this stuff in the docs? oh, it is! silly me. is the problem >>> that there are just too much doc or two little reading? >>> >>> >> >> It is in pkg_add(1), If you are talking about handbook only >> PACKAGESITE is documented: should get fixed. > > Hi Paul, > > Can you please open a docs/* problem report for this? Feel free to add > `keramida' to the `X-GNATS-Notify:' header. I'll try to add at least a > reference to pkg_add(1) to read more about the `PACKAGEROOT' environment > variable. Nevermind, that was easy. I just opened a PR for it... From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 6 11:43:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D4181065670 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 11:43:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [209.31.154.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E60AE8FC0C for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 11:43:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6796646C48; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 07:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 12:43:19 +0100 (BST) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Matthias Apitz In-Reply-To: <20080704124227.GA10264@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <20080706124135.C44832@fledge.watson.org> References: <20080704124227.GA10264@rebelion.Sisis.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kernel HEAD && userland 7.0-REL? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 11:43:20 -0000 On Fri, 4 Jul 2008, Matthias Apitz wrote: > I'm running a RELENG_7 kernel and a userland as 7.0-REL on one of my > laptops; I've been asked to check if a given driver problem in RELENG_7 is > as well with HEAD... can I update the kernel to HEAD and let the userland > (and all my compiled ports) as 7.0-REL; I know that this is not the > intention, but it would cost me a lot of work if I should compile as well > ~200 ports.... As a general rule, running old userspace on a new kernel works pretty well, but you should expect certain types of things to not work -- for example, monitoring tools that expect the kernel layout of data structures to be unchanged. Within a particular -STABLE branch this is a bit less volatile, but as you go from, say, 6-STABLE to a 7-STABLE kernel, the chances that some of the more obscure options to netstat, etc, will not work are pretty high. Likewise, be careful to disable any third-party kernel modules that may require recompiling but aren't caught by the base system build, or you'll get a nasty surprise when they panic. :-) Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 6 20:04:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61111065683 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 20:04:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pisymbol@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A66C28FC14 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 20:04:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pisymbol@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id h3so647061nfh.33 for ; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 13:03:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=+XoUtya8j68ubXjeojpuk05vYaiTgaa2syOLT3epfhM=; b=UOfixoE++mxoeFXXYCYdlp09LU1MnaSQuNqJ6x6yvs1UDWYStLkNvkrGMgUV5ucH8u oHP36npSqtGMIGXeB9MwlsDyNRVfLvzB5cTIDVnr1eouyHSmLXqBxdusR1+tYVvYf2hd sl+cXWMM1z9qpE+mXZTTg++ya3gMNQgmnj3rw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=mZ+Isz/vpU18hAuzG+QWxER/8diAVECADG0OArVa8ZBmDK1mExP6TZ/Pn9HVd/iwD3 VApvkMk6TZTl8BcvQtTlMpEdddfeBg5zNRpeRzzwaxKJJiRinFlVN/l7PDoIR216jp9w 0v2uFsZgPEzgbWzP+J+Qraxok0prWDgqJcTuU= Received: by 10.210.16.11 with SMTP id 11mr2425168ebp.187.1215374628836; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 13:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.34.1 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 13:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3c0b01820807061303m4afde83dhfe0cd693b6a235cc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 16:03:48 -0400 From: "Alexander Sack" To: "Robert Watson" In-Reply-To: <20080706124135.C44832@fledge.watson.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080704124227.GA10264@rebelion.Sisis.de> <20080706124135.C44832@fledge.watson.org> Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Matthias Apitz Subject: Re: kernel HEAD && userland 7.0-REL? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 20:04:10 -0000 On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Robert Watson wrote: > > On Fri, 4 Jul 2008, Matthias Apitz wrote: > >> I'm running a RELENG_7 kernel and a userland as 7.0-REL on one of my >> laptops; I've been asked to check if a given driver problem in RELENG_7 is >> as well with HEAD... can I update the kernel to HEAD and let the userland >> (and all my compiled ports) as 7.0-REL; I know that this is not the >> intention, but it would cost me a lot of work if I should compile as well >> ~200 ports.... > > As a general rule, running old userspace on a new kernel works pretty well, > but you should expect certain types of things to not work -- for example, > monitoring tools that expect the kernel layout of data structures to be > unchanged. Within a particular -STABLE branch this is a bit less volatile, > but as you go from, say, 6-STABLE to a 7-STABLE kernel, the chances that > some of the more obscure options to netstat, etc, will not work are pretty > high. Likewise, be careful to disable any third-party kernel modules that > may require recompiling but aren't caught by the base system build, or > you'll get a nasty surprise when they panic. :-) Robert, really good point. I ran into this exact problem not so long ago (third-party driver not supporting newer kernels, chaos ensued). I also think Mike's nextboot suggestion is one I (and others) should pay attention too. I tend to just install my test kernel blindly and if it fails, reboot and interrupt the boot, etc. - I will use nextboot for sure! -aps From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 6 21:44:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE69E1065678; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 21:44:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from beech@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd.alaskaparadise.com (freebsd.alaskaparadise.com [208.79.80.117]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEEB78FC14; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 21:44:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from beech@freebsd.org) Received: from 194-33-178-69.gci.net (194-33-178-69.gci.net [69.178.33.194]) by freebsd.alaskaparadise.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A765A23833C5; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 21:26:38 +0000 (UTC) From: Beech Rintoul To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 13:26:21 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <200805182328.45822.beech@freebsd.org> <200805182355.24787.beech@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <200805182355.24787.beech@freebsd.org> X-Face: jC2w\k*Q1\0DA2Q0Eh&BrP/Rt2M,^2O#R07VoT98m*>miQF9%Bi9vy`F6cPjwEe?m,)=?utf-8?q?2=0A=09X=3FM=5C=3AOE9QgZ?="xT3/n3,3MJ7N=Cfkmi%f(w^~X"SUxn>; 27NO; C+)g[7J`$G*SN>{<=?utf-8?q?O=3Bg7=7C=0A=09o=7D=265A=5D4?=@7D`=Eb@Zs1Ln814?]|k@'bG=.Ca"[|8+_.OsNAo8!#?4u MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200807061326.30152.beech@freebsd.org> Cc: Stanislav Sedov , Beech Rintoul Subject: Re: Help with copytree code X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Beech Rintoul List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:44:24 -0000 On Sunday 18 May 2008, Beech Rintoul said: > On Sunday 18 May 2008, Beech Rintoul said: > > This copytree code is from bsd.port.mk, and I've been asked to > > try and find a fix. This is very handy for installing a whole > > tree (like a web app) keeping everything intact. It wasn't > > designed to copy to a populated directory so it affects > > everything in that dir, not just what's being installed. We need > > to keep it's > > functionality, but a fix is more than I can come up with. So I > > thought I'd ask you code gurus to help. If this can be fixed many > > will thank you! > > > > I attached it so it won't get line wrapped. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Beech > > Looks like it got stripped off, so I posted it here: > > http://www.alaskaparadise.com/freebsd/copytree_code I'd just like to thank stas@ and everyone who replied with suggestions, code etc. I believe that I now have something workable and it's been submitted to portmgr for review and possible inclusion in bsd.port.mk along with some new features of my own. Hopefully, this will fix a long standing problem with copytree_*. Once again thanks all :-) Beech -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Beech Rintoul - FreeBSD Developer - beech@FreeBSD.org /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | FreeBSD Since 4.x \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | http://www.freebsd.org X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Latest Release: / \ - http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/7.0R/announce.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 7 00:27:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 891F1106566C for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 00:27:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from MTaylor@bytecraft.com.au) Received: from bcmelmx.bytecraft.au.com (bcmelmx.bytecraft.au.com [203.39.118.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDFF78FC19 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 00:27:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from MTaylor@bytecraft.com.au) Received: from svmailmarshal.bytecraft.internal ([10.0.0.3]) by bcmelmx.bytecraft.au.com (8.13.8/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m670RtEb022260 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 10:27:55 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from MTaylor@bytecraft.com.au) Received: from svmailmel.bytecraft.internal (Not Verified[10.0.0.24]) by svmailmarshal.bytecraft.internal with MailMarshal (v6, 4, 1, 5038) id ; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 10:27:54 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 10:27:36 +1000 Message-ID: <04E232FDCD9FBE43857F7066CAD3C0F15B81F6@svmailmel.bytecraft.internal> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: massive interrupt storm Thread-Index: Acjdn/9qF98Zr8RST66FxwIFH399ZwCJ9IuQ From: "Murray Taylor" To: "Andrey V. Elsukov" Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: RE: massive interrupt storm X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:27:59 -0000 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org=20 > [mailto:owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of=20 > Andrey V. Elsukov > Sent: Friday, 4 July 2008 4:33 PM > To: Murray Taylor > Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: massive interrupt storm >=20 > Murray Taylor wrote: > > irq17: mpt0 uhci1* 680341376 57301 >=20 > Did you try to disable USB in BIOS? (yes, you don't have PS/2, > but you can use SSH for testing) > Also did you try to disable ACPI? >=20 > --=20 > WBR, Andrey V. Elsukov > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to=20 > "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 ACPI and USB(Completely) have both been disabled and neither made any difference. - ACPI disabled in loader.conf ( hint.acpi.0.disabled=3D1 ) - USB disabled in BIOS Started to compile a new kernel without any USB functions, and left it for over 3 days and it was still compiling when I got back this morning, so I gave up on that one. mjt --------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted in this e-mail is for the exclusive use of the intended addressee and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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PCI allows sharing of the interrupts, i.e. multiple devices show their interrupts on the same IRQ line. The interrupt is signalled by level, i.e. if any device on this IRQ has an interrupt pending, it would pull the line low. OS has no way to tell which one, other than by trying all the drivers for the devices sitting on this line. Once the driver has found that its device is the one signalling interrupt, it services it, cleans the device state, and the device lets go of the IRQ line. The trouble starts when there is some device for which there is no driver. OS runs its interrupt handler, polls each driver, each of them says "nope, not mine", teh interrupt handler exits and gets called again right away. The fix is to disable the unsupported devices in BIOS or at least collect them on some IRQ line that is not used by any supported devices. -SB From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 7 12:19:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 112E81065688; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:19:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Matthias.Apitz@oclc.org) Received: from mail.pica.nl (mail.pica.nl [192.87.44.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 917968FC3A; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:19:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Matthias.Apitz@oclc.org) Received: from rebelion.Sisis.de ([193.31.10.34]) by mail.pica.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 7 Jul 2008 14:19:38 +0200 Received: (from guru@localhost) by rebelion.Sisis.de (8.14.2/8.13.8/Submit) id m67CJbff015820; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 14:19:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from matthias.apitz@oclc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: rebelion.Sisis.de: guru set sender to matthias.apitz@oclc.org using -f Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 14:19:37 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Rui Paulo , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, james@nighthack.org, Manolis Kiagias Message-ID: <20080707121937.GA15609@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20080626075545.GA2964@rebelion.Sisis.de> <20080626231603.GC6875@phi.local> <20080627080203.GA19602@rebelion.Sisis.de> <20080627194447.GA34524@phi.local> <20080629160527.GA17075@rebelion.Sisis.de> <20080629162234.GB1261@phi.local> <20080701090220.GA4431@rebelion.Sisis.de> <20080701111426.GA1152@phi.local> <20080704144002.GA3661@rebelion.Sisis.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20080704144002.GA3661@rebelion.Sisis.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE (i386) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2008 12:19:38.0392 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9B4F980:01C8E02B] Cc: Subject: Re: eeePC 900 && turning off wireless (ath0) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 12:19:41 -0000 El día Friday, July 04, 2008 a las 04:40:02PM +0200, Matthias Apitz escribió: > Hello Rui, > > With your changes of acpi_asus.c in RELENG_7 the devd(8) and my > hook-script in /usr/local/etc/devd/ath.conf sees the Fn+F2 now as the > event "ACPI ASUS-Eee _SB_.ATKD", but it is anyway if Fn+F2 switches off > or on the wireless NIC, the event for devd(8) is always the same; > from the above event it is clear where > the strings for system ACPI and subsystem ASUS-Eee come from, but I > don't see where the string "_SB_.ATKD" is made; it must be derived > from the 'notify' argument of the call > > /* Notify devd(8) */ > acpi_UserNotify("ASUS-Eee", h, notify); > > and I was hoping to distinguish it into two different events, one when > Fn+F2 is switching off the NIC, and one of the case of switch on; any > idea? thx I have modified /usr/src/sys/dev/acpi_support/acpi_asus.c to see what 'notify' is send upstream to devd(8): /* Notify devd(8) */ device_printf(sc->dev, "Fn+F2 pressed, notify to devd(8) is %08x\n", notify); acpi_UserNotify("ASUS-Eee", h, notify); and it turns out that in case of switching wireless of it is 0x00000011, while on switch-on it is 0x00000010; but the devd(8) only sees both events as '_SB_.ATKD'; I've grep'ed a lot around but can't see the place where the hex events of acpi_UserNotify() are converted into the string '_SB_.ATKD', any idea where to look; for the devd(8) hook it would be essential to know if the wireless was turned on of off, to load or unload the driver module if_ath.ko in that case and bring the interface up again (which works fine if I do it by hand); matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ «...una sola vez, que es cuanto basta si se trata de verdades definitivas.» «...only once, which is enough if it has todo with definite truth.» José Saramago, Historia del Cerca de Lisboa From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 7 12:38:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186E61065685 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:38:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from riaank@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBBC88FC2D for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:38:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from riaank@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so2752236rvf.43 for ; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 05:38:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=0GqWHSTZmp2KFoUJUMNddD4VS+X1MkLRcFanUvcBIjo=; b=HNRu5gcxYUKcVMADIGddzP/Dm5yxr1mbueWBa75zPb+WB6J4IfKPt4nNnc+Te80XWF pGcLd+Z3Pj9aEPi78VxaR0zqI0/w7wrFh+N5Vl3eXG11k6NTOlqvarT+Z1POPqQgnJ3q QoyzfOcZ1AWIhjrdge2SvnGCyQ0FKCL/kVCvE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=ektx/NGhVqgJUfDg2EJnTcvhTrl7+z3f2fW4DZg70Lm3QQSN4XMh2foij0x5nc2v7k Ksse5Hl4UF3z+OjKvjlU2mBKFn5Xsn0iVDEj8gKl3yMHKhWvEidbhYgMu8nN+YaKAeI1 /tAyEJJVySQCnMQn3JcKcYCF7ikv3A1LJ74+0= Received: by 10.141.29.18 with SMTP id g18mr2194074rvj.298.1215432804040; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 05:13:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.175.11 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 05:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <85c4b1850807070513i3c6d8f63x4e89ebe559be0330@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 14:13:23 +0200 From: "Riaan Kruger" To: karimulla@krify.com In-Reply-To: <20080703044723.BD564B69@resin11.mta.everyone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20080703044723.BD564B69@resin11.mta.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kgdb error: Ignoring packet error, continuing.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 12:38:35 -0000 On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 1:47 PM, karim sk wrote: > > Hi, > > I am trying to setup kgdb on serial console in freebsd. I have done > the following steps. > > 1. Compile the kernel with the following options > options DDB > options KDB > makeoptions DEBUG-g > > 2.Installed the kernel on the target machine. > 3. Transferred the kernel.debug to host machine. > 4. Modified the file /boot/device.hints in the target machine to have > sio flags as > hint.sio.0.at="isa" > hint.sio.0.port="0X3F8" > hint.sio.0.flags="0x80" > hint.sio.0.irq="4" > 5. Reboot the target machine. At the loader prompt type the following > set comconsole_speed=9600 > boot -d > Then the target machine stops at ddb> prompt. > 6.In the host machine type the following at kgdb prompt > kgdb> set remotebaud 9600 > kgdb> file kernel.debug > kgdb> target remote /dev/cuad0 > > This is not able to establish the connection. > It is giving following errors. > Ignoring packet error, continuing... > Ignoring packet error, continuing... > Couldn't establish connection to remote target. > Malformed response to offset query, timeout. > > Can any body tell why packet error is coming when kgdb is trying to > establish the connection. > > Thanks in advance. > > Karim I am not sure if it will help but according to on http://www.lemis.com/grog/Papers/Debug-tutorial/tutorial.pdf the target : "You choose a serial port by setting bit 0x80 of the device flags in /boot/loader.conf : hint.sio.0.flags="0x90" In this example, bit 0x10 is also set to tell the kernel gdb stub to access remote debugging via this port." Hope it helps Riaan PS. Sorry previous reply was only to Karin and not to the list as well. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 7 12:47:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 726A7106567E for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:47:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rpaulo@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D2B8FC1D for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:47:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rpaulo@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id h3so740337nfh.33 for ; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 05:47:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:cc:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :in-reply-to:user-agent:sender; bh=lqgUAPYecf5bcICMNq7QlcrZ2RYo3X8xU4/9cWROIkU=; b=V+MuJX8RysiEVsGfJ10+dMxiv2dsBDtAKaGrOfMR2WJtrJDgUKO+2ZTd70sGkjEK5/ ErKpg93oyEhxo+w4NfBAnLyCVjnAy5tLuouKfklvex7cfYltrfRXE23EXUonVCSl9YSx bewiYFYaQKTYAv+57NojROlkfxEWifXsGAEwM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent:sender; b=EoXV9wqjQfR4VRdHT5GKjlnBUrv93OliMstePMznKQa3WL8UeMVfAWrAKB1D1TqsNR et2PLwBNF9hU97PpYi/nUqaBkLGUJXDbmvs0EH67/mod3ldJ9N+JQw846Gy56MQoDDbD fGRJXF4UhH3mFkQ8hMX9gQQGCOL+kIG3A3eLE= Received: by 10.210.21.6 with SMTP id 6mr3102857ebu.184.1215434829436; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 05:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phi.local ( [89.214.229.121]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u14sm6867836gvf.6.2008.07.07.05.47.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 07 Jul 2008 05:47:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 13:45:38 +0100 From: Rui Paulo To: Matthias Apitz Message-ID: <20080707124538.GA1752@phi.local> References: <20080626075545.GA2964@rebelion.Sisis.de> <20080626231603.GC6875@phi.local> <20080627080203.GA19602@rebelion.Sisis.de> <20080627194447.GA34524@phi.local> <20080629160527.GA17075@rebelion.Sisis.de> <20080629162234.GB1261@phi.local> <20080701090220.GA4431@rebelion.Sisis.de> <20080701111426.GA1152@phi.local> <20080704144002.GA3661@rebelion.Sisis.de> <20080707121937.GA15609@rebelion.Sisis.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080707121937.GA15609@rebelion.Sisis.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Sender: Rui Paulo Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, james@nighthack.org, Rui Paulo , Manolis Kiagias Subject: Re: eeePC 900 && turning off wireless (ath0) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 12:47:11 -0000 On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 02:19:37PM +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > /* Notify devd(8) */ > device_printf(sc->dev, > "Fn+F2 pressed, notify to devd(8) is %08x\n", notify); > acpi_UserNotify("ASUS-Eee", h, notify); > > and it turns out that in case of switching wireless of it is 0x00000011, > while on switch-on it is 0x00000010; but the devd(8) only sees both > events as '_SB_.ATKD'; I've grep'ed a lot around but can't see the place > where the hex events of acpi_UserNotify() are converted into the string > '_SB_.ATKD', any idea where to look; They are not converted, your devd.conf entries are probably wrong. Can you show again where do you get _SB_.ATKD from? -- Rui Paulo From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 7 13:13:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08F3A106566C; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 13:13:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Matthias.Apitz@oclc.org) Received: from mail.pica.nl (mail.pica.nl [192.87.44.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A7EE8FC0C; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 13:13:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Matthias.Apitz@oclc.org) Received: from rebelion.Sisis.de ([193.31.10.34]) by mail.pica.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 7 Jul 2008 15:13:41 +0200 Received: (from guru@localhost) by rebelion.Sisis.de (8.14.2/8.13.8/Submit) id m67DDfcj012935; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 15:13:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from matthias.apitz@oclc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: rebelion.Sisis.de: guru set sender to matthias.apitz@oclc.org using -f Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 15:13:41 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Rui Paulo Message-ID: <20080707131341.GA12862@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20080626231603.GC6875@phi.local> <20080627080203.GA19602@rebelion.Sisis.de> <20080627194447.GA34524@phi.local> <20080629160527.GA17075@rebelion.Sisis.de> <20080629162234.GB1261@phi.local> <20080701090220.GA4431@rebelion.Sisis.de> <20080701111426.GA1152@phi.local> <20080704144002.GA3661@rebelion.Sisis.de> <20080707121937.GA15609@rebelion.Sisis.de> <20080707124538.GA1752@phi.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20080707124538.GA1752@phi.local> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE (i386) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2008 13:13:42.0021 (UTC) FILETIME=[470F7B50:01C8E033] Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, james@nighthack.org, Manolis Kiagias Subject: Re: eeePC 900 && turning off wireless (ath0) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 13:13:44 -0000 El día Monday, July 07, 2008 a las 01:45:38PM +0100, Rui Paulo escribió: > On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 02:19:37PM +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > /* Notify devd(8) */ > > device_printf(sc->dev, > > "Fn+F2 pressed, notify to devd(8) is %08x\n", notify); > > acpi_UserNotify("ASUS-Eee", h, notify); > > > > and it turns out that in case of switching wireless of it is 0x00000011, > > while on switch-on it is 0x00000010; but the devd(8) only sees both > > events as '_SB_.ATKD'; I've grep'ed a lot around but can't see the place > > where the hex events of acpi_UserNotify() are converted into the string > > '_SB_.ATKD', any idea where to look; > > They are not converted, your devd.conf entries are probably wrong. > > Can you show again where do you get _SB_.ATKD from? You are right! my file /usr/local/etc/devd/ath.conf for devd(8) says now: tify 1 { match "system" "ACPI"; action "/usr/local/etc/devd/ath.sh $system $subsystem $notify"; }; notify 1 { match "system" "IFNET"; match "subsystem" "ath0"; match "type" "LINK_UP"; action "/usr/local/etc/devd/ath.sh $system $subsystem $type"; }; notify 1 { match "system" "IFNET"; match "subsystem" "ath0"; match "type" "LINK_DOWN"; action "/usr/local/etc/devd/ath.sh $system $subsystem $type"; }; note that in the case of "IFNET" you have to watch the $type to see LINK_UP or LINK_DOWN as the events, while in "ACPI" you have to watch the $notify ($type gives you _SB_.ATKD, $notify gives you 0x10 or 0x11); thanks for the answer which let me look closer into the man page of devd.conf; matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ «...una sola vez, que es cuanto basta si se trata de verdades definitivas.» «...only once, which is enough if it has todo with definite truth.» José Saramago, Historia del Cerca de Lisboa From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 7 14:21:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 700701065681 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 14:21:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidcollins001@gmail.com) Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2130E8FC18 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 14:21:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidcollins001@gmail.com) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j71so393128rne.12 for ; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 07:21:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=PuQZG8SZ0+85eDxOcanCks2wjxCHY1njcA6LIebaV4k=; b=NPan6fkV0FzHutj/U+1J2QgYix4Fj43d54eNWjHw6Ft8Oc7H8L30nyZk14B1ZruSV4 +vhYAGs9hLMnyun0dBRvp0PKYyrpf0sFzB/cE7GMjf4cu8RVU2O5KksrmB+FFhNiKns+ Cbo7B6kGbkeSDRJvH9e+3Dj/uaEuDLlq9MWUM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=N2ZCN6HemUgdMCVc72EXMYCMmk9m7QRvVujdGfSZsj/GQqG1kL6xXsPF7XRtOLmo/8 kTIcrYvKvG03glvECNjLP+c0eJzFoe8WrejNoNMwsi97fg6Sh8XW9k8SgF31VBnuNTKK P5O/o4T7pHIAw9TMBOaJPg3N0cCBXsE/5b2yo= Received: by 10.151.48.20 with SMTP id a20mr8255445ybk.111.1215438938634; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 06:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.141.2 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 06:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1b30fd140807070655o5f5887b6k2ae11b03a0fb0bb3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 14:55:38 +0100 From: "David Collins" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Sysinstall is still inadequate after all of these years X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:21:52 -0000 I have just moved to freeBSD from debian (and obviously windows before that) I also have OS X. I reinstalled OS X for my girlfriend and there is nothing to be done, it is so easy.... but .... I also don't have a clue what it does, and have no real reason to find out. The freeBSD (7.0) install I thought was fairly easy! Admitedly I did go into it assuming it was the same as debian, and if it didn't look the same well assume it is the same anyway. The only tricky part is the disk setup, but without knowing anything about slices and partitions I closed my eyes and went ahead managing to get it working (I learned about slices after). I do only have a base system installed, and I don't like installing from sysinstall. It is very slow. It didn't take too much effort to find out how the ports system works, it was just difficult determining which path to choose since there are a number of ways to update. I was really surprised when my wireless card worked, linux was a pain! Even knowing how to set it up it still requires install wireless-tools, wpa_supplicant and then making it work on boot. None of this on freeBSD. I think *BSD and linux is more for the tech savy, and if you make it too easy people assume everything is done for them and they become illiterate. David (one happy new freeBSD user) From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 7 18:30:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 730A51065675 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 18:30:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ravi.murty@intel.com) Received: from mga09.intel.com (mga09.intel.com [134.134.136.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 346EA8FC2B for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 18:30:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ravi.murty@intel.com) Received: from orsmga002.jf.intel.com ([10.7.209.21]) by orsmga102.jf.intel.com with ESMTP; 07 Jul 2008 03:27:25 -0700 X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.30,317,1212390000"; d="scan'208,217";a="303800667" Received: from orsmsx334.amr.corp.intel.com (HELO orsmsx334.jf.intel.com) ([10.22.226.45]) by orsmga002.jf.intel.com with ESMTP; 07 Jul 2008 11:31:28 -0700 Received: from orsmsx416.amr.corp.intel.com ([10.22.226.46]) by orsmsx334.jf.intel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 7 Jul 2008 11:30:40 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 11:30:39 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Bug in calcru in he 6.2 and 6.3 kernels Thread-Index: AcjgX4549npikuUFTkSt0ltL0OdqBA== From: "Murty, Ravi" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2008 18:30:40.0480 (UTC) FILETIME=[8EF20600:01C8E05F] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Bug in calcru in he 6.2 and 6.3 kernels X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 18:30:42 -0000 Hello everyone, =20 Finally found what my last problem was. We were running top in a loop and running some workloads that called sched_bind() to bind threads to specific CPUs. The problem was that (and I am using ULE) sched_bind calls a function to notify another CPU of a thread and then mi_switches out of it. Since mi_switch sets the "oncpu" field of the thread to NOCPU and given the thread is still running, calcru would come in and assert the fact that "If I am running I better no be on NOCPU".. It appears that in other parts of the kernel (e.g. forward_signal) this is acceptable (i.e. it is okay to be running and oncpu is NOCPU).=20 =20 Thanks Ravi =20 From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 7 18:33:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A5011065679 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 18:33:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from weak.local (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3AD28FC1C; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 18:33:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <48726193.1080807@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 20:33:55 +0200 From: Kris Kennaway User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Murty, Ravi" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bug in calcru in he 6.2 and 6.3 kernels X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 18:33:57 -0000 Murty, Ravi wrote: > Hello everyone, > > > > Finally found what my last problem was. We were running top in a loop > and running some workloads that called sched_bind() to bind threads to > specific CPUs. The problem was that (and I am using ULE) sched_bind > calls a function to notify another CPU of a thread and then mi_switches > out of it. Since mi_switch sets the "oncpu" field of the thread to NOCPU > and given the thread is still running, calcru would come in and assert > the fact that "If I am running I better no be on NOCPU".. It appears > that in other parts of the kernel (e.g. forward_signal) this is > acceptable (i.e. it is okay to be running and oncpu is NOCPU). > > > > Thanks > Ravi Don't use ULE in 6.x, it's broken and will not be fixed. Kris From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 7 19:23:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D1CD106564A for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 19:23:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fjwcash@gmail.com) Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB3F8FC1A for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 19:23:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fjwcash@gmail.com) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j71so533613rne.12 for ; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 12:23:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=8U922IDw6BowmmwU2jTddE9QX7G7k9n6x0nrGlLm/CQ=; b=vICiF9jQPZMOO2oiV2vjO0R5nxaffQBi+FKIa7Qepk7TIkrCCEffOVyrB7L0Zv/tGZ 7AAM0sF2jNbsI72reArirH7nhngKMSky/x3zyvjcz7lgXYj81cQfcwpnUXz7huqa2Wvz OgIwawO3cIGIsxerW7dZ5pwZnhm9KEEKHEzko= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=bR5qUf0YpNU6r6Bqa/1VH8VbL5amuXLMJm1cI0UAEjLhcaqOaniLYZzqMSBeHi+KOD imsjwJEysZDSYfrl0sOrGOCj+GgwhEh1iEW+rWL11dZIGm9mKmpXZ/1SI5IlOVlr0PiP 4eEhC4C8pqLjA3JlPotxP7sxU5iu4RBry70Vs= Received: by 10.150.227.14 with SMTP id z14mr8686146ybg.145.1215456941749; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 11:55:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.154.17 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 11:55:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 11:55:41 -0700 From: "Freddie Cash" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <486F8C57.9050908@wubethiopia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <784966050807021123l267aa20en39eb513c12c90ad2@mail.gmail.com> <20080702235800.H47773@fledge.watson.org> <486C8700.5020100@lobraun.de> <20080703092511.T69986@fledge.watson.org> <486F8C57.9050908@wubethiopia.com> Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: Sysinstall is still inadequate after all of these years X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 19:23:51 -0000 On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Mike Makonnen wrote: > Also, the installer's job should only be to install a useable system. Post-installation chores like configuration, > adding/removing users, etc should be done by another application. You shouldn't need the installer once > you've installed the OS. Hear, hear! To be honest, this is the only bit about the current sysinstall that I really dislike: the fact that it can be used for post-installation configuration and package installation. This causes no end of trouble for newbies, who seem to view sysinstall as "The One True System Admin Tool" and try to use it for configuring/installing everything. Too many times, on various BSD forums, I've had to walk people through cleaning up /etc/rc.conf and showing them how to correctly install/configure things (using standard FreeBSD tools), since they used sysinstall for everything. IMO, the installer should allow you to partition the disk(s), format the partition(s), install the OS, configure a user, and reboot the system. Anything beyond that should be handled by the OS tools, from within the installed and running OS. The tricky part will be getting the disk slicing, slice partitioning, and filesystem formatting to work reliably, with all the power of FreeBSD's GEOM modules, and ZFS. -- Freddie Cash fjwcash@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 7 19:54:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B931065670 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 19:54:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17CCE8FC1B for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 19:54:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.backplane.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m67Jss1s030965; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:54:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.14.1/8.13.4/Submit) id m67JsrXA030964; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:54:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200807071954.m67JsrXA030964@apollo.backplane.com> To: Michel Talon References: <20080703212100.GA16598@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sysinstall is still inadequate after all of these years X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 19:54:55 -0000 :... :minimalist people, while a graphical installer running on top of a :live CD, like in many Linux distributions, Ubuntu, etc. could be :envisioned. The DragonFlyBSD installer runs on top of a live CD, this is :the easiest way to have a full featured installer, but this requires a :machine with sufficient RAM. Anyways all those possibilities point to :the soundness of your propositions 1) and 2). : :-- : :Michel TALON Well, its actually more an issue of the space used on the CD, since the base system is not compressed on the media. DragonFly doesn't try to include all that many packages on its CD, so there is plenty of space. Our distribution CD's run about 300MB. There is some movement on getting a DVD distribution together and including a lot of packages on it. I think that's the way to go if a fully loaded dist is desired. The packages would be stored on the DVD as binary packages (hence compressed), but everything else would be live. As media gets larger the live portion of the distribution becomes a smaller and smaller piece of it. It's a lot easier to enhance and maintain a live distribution then it is a compressed one. Actual system memory use is tiny. Remember, only dirty data eats real memory, clean pages can simply be freed, so the the run-time footprint is not really all that large. And, frankly, anyone with a machine with 32MB of ram or less is not likely to care about direct-from-CD installs. They'd more likely be installing from a bootable USB memory stick (which runs $14 for 2G these days), or some other media. The box might not even have a CD drive, but it will certainly have USB ports. So what it comes down to is having a release build that is easy to extend and enhance, and doesn't shoot itself in the foot. You want to be able to use the same release infrastructure for all release targets. Compression of the base system creates lots and lots of unnecessary headaches. -Matt Matthew Dillon From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 7 20:06:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31278106568D; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:06:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from weak.local (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1433F8FC23; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:06:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <48727747.7070509@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:06:31 +0200 From: Kris Kennaway User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Maxim Sobolev References: <4855EDFE.3010708@FreeBSD.org> <86bq211rqw.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20080617002224.GA16122@nagual.pp.ru> <20080617002808.GB16122@nagual.pp.ru> <20080617004647.GA16546@nagual.pp.ru> <48576610.9080808@FreeBSD.org> <48577510.4020007@aueb.gr> <48577BD2.4070205@bluemedia.pl> <20080617102900.GA46479@nagual.pp.ru> <485798C4.2050605@FreeBSD.org> <20080618055851.GA85018@nagual.pp.ru> <86zlpjduew.fsf@ds4.des.no> <48598C6D.4040102@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <48598C6D.4040102@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 20:12:41 +0000 Cc: Doug Barton , current@FreeBSD.org, Andrey Chernov , Konrad Jankowski , Diomidis Spinellis , hackers@FreeBSD.org, Gabor Kovesdan , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= , Max Khon , "Sean C. Farley" , K?vesd?n G?bor Subject: Re: CFT: BSD-licensed grep [Fwd: cvs commit: ports/textproc/bsdgrep Makefile distinfo] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 20:06:33 -0000 Maxim Sobolev wrote: > Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: >> Andrey Chernov writes: >>> "BSD sort" as an idea will be a good project indeed, but "BSD sort" >>> implementation we currently have at hand is totally misleading and >>> should be rewritten from the scratch, I realize it when long time ago >>> I try to localize it for single byte locales. >> >> I think part of the problem is that there aren't enough people who truly >> understand localization. I think I understand most of it, but I'm >> pretty sure I *don't* understand how collation works, or is supposed to >> work. Amongst other things, I don't understand how (or whether) it >> handles cases like "aa" and "å", which are considered the same letter in >> Norwegian. >> >> Perhaps you could create a Localization page on wiki.freebsd.org which >> addresses these issues, or at least points to relevant resources? > > Good regression test suite which would include cases in different single > and multi-byte locates for grep/sort/etc could also be a big help. What regression suites do other implementations have? e.g. the GNU textutils. Kris From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 7 20:15:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BE6F1065687; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:15:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ache@nagual.pp.ru) Received: from nagual.pp.ru (nagual.pp.ru [194.87.13.69]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E77AD8FC24; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:15:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ache@nagual.pp.ru) Received: from nagual.pp.ru (ache@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nagual.pp.ru (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m67KEmGM037445; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 00:14:48 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache@nagual.pp.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nagual.pp.ru; s=default; t=1215461688; bh=mA6PH4pcI398wxCi5ZBFMq3QikRtItpBguAj4g6 AXi0=; l=353; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type:In-Reply-To; b=PdNwfPwIIyb5KTyuZZI2vONJd +2jnBynxftIKjoP7l3o7Fc3HgVlmhtz7SNmUm+C2BUGbK/VMyoM1XqHnpcSZdE104PS 31Y3ZB2/atoX4vKgybm0VfhjneTDf/BDbN/jcQtLTFeTg0MlA6onYCnKm+Qday69MyE t8KOCjsMJkGA= Received: (from ache@localhost) by nagual.pp.ru (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m67KEmFv037444; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 00:14:48 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 00:14:47 +0400 From: Andrey Chernov To: Kris Kennaway Message-ID: <20080707201447.GA37354@nagual.pp.ru> Mail-Followup-To: Andrey Chernov , Kris Kennaway , Maxim Sobolev , Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav , Doug Barton , current@FreeBSD.org, Konrad Jankowski , Diomidis Spinellis , hackers@FreeBSD.org, Gabor Kovesdan , K?vesd?n G?bor , "Sean C. Farley" , Max Khon References: <20080617004647.GA16546@nagual.pp.ru> <48576610.9080808@FreeBSD.org> <48577510.4020007@aueb.gr> <48577BD2.4070205@bluemedia.pl> <20080617102900.GA46479@nagual.pp.ru> <485798C4.2050605@FreeBSD.org> <20080618055851.GA85018@nagual.pp.ru> <86zlpjduew.fsf@ds4.des.no> <48598C6D.4040102@FreeBSD.org> <48727747.7070509@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <48727747.7070509@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 20:19:10 +0000 Cc: Maxim Sobolev , Doug Barton , current@FreeBSD.org, Konrad Jankowski , Diomidis Spinellis , hackers@FreeBSD.org, Gabor Kovesdan , Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav , Max Khon , "Sean C. Farley" , K?vesd?n G?bor Subject: Re: CFT: BSD-licensed grep [Fwd: cvs commit: ports/textproc/bsdgrep Makefile distinfo] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 20:15:16 -0000 On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 10:06:31PM +0200, Kris Kennaway wrote: > What regression suites do other implementations have? e.g. the GNU > textutils. They basically have regex tests, but nothing locale specific, since locale ordering is different from platform to platform (until Unicode Collation Algorithm will win). -- http://ache.pp.ru/ From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 7 20:36:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A18F106567B; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:36:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from delphij@delphij.net) Received: from tarsier.delphij.net (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:2c9::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA61B8FC17; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:36:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from delphij@delphij.net) Received: from tarsier.geekcn.org (unknown [211.166.10.233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by tarsier.delphij.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 878A9284EF; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 04:36:23 +0800 (CST) Received: from localhost (unknown [211.166.10.233]) by tarsier.geekcn.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48B42F08632; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 04:36:23 +0800 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at geekcn.org Received: from tarsier.geekcn.org ([211.166.10.233]) by localhost (mail.geekcn.org [211.166.10.233]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id elrVvHgnGew9; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 04:36:11 +0800 (CST) Received: from charlie.delphij.net (71.5.7.139.ptr.us.xo.net [71.5.7.139]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by tarsier.geekcn.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CEB07F083F7; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 04:36:09 +0800 (CST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=default; d=delphij.net; c=nofws; q=dns; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:organization:user-agent: mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to: x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=m3eB1tUYdX9WrG7moyCnFNkhoUdTCqTZJdu0mIkv8s06/kCmogl3NmCYXer+mWBDB kuesWIEeeB3qbPVKGkZmQ== Message-ID: <48727E37.30700@delphij.net> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 13:36:07 -0700 From: Xin LI Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080616) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway References: <48726193.1080807@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <48726193.1080807@FreeBSD.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 OpenPGP: id=18EDEBA0; url=http://www.delphij.net/delphij.asc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, "Murty, Ravi" Subject: Re: Bug in calcru in he 6.2 and 6.3 kernels X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: d@delphij.net List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 20:36:27 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Kris Kennaway wrote: | Murty, Ravi wrote: |> Hello everyone, |> |> |> |> Finally found what my last problem was. We were running top in a loop |> and running some workloads that called sched_bind() to bind threads to |> specific CPUs. The problem was that (and I am using ULE) sched_bind |> calls a function to notify another CPU of a thread and then mi_switches |> out of it. Since mi_switch sets the "oncpu" field of the thread to NOCPU |> and given the thread is still running, calcru would come in and assert |> the fact that "If I am running I better no be on NOCPU".. It appears |> that in other parts of the kernel (e.g. forward_signal) this is |> acceptable (i.e. it is okay to be running and oncpu is NOCPU). |> |> |> Thanks |> Ravi | | Don't use ULE in 6.x, it's broken and will not be fixed. Perhaps we should mark it as broken using #error? After all the ULE changes in 7.x is amazing and we do not want to have users to obtain bad impressions from the 6.x versions... I am not sure but some explicit warning message saying "ULE has been revamped in FreeBSD 7.x+ and will not be MFC'ed back to 6.x, please use SCHED_4BSD or upgrade to 7.x." seems to be better than having them to pursue the mailing list archive... Cheers, - -- Xin LI http://www.delphij.net/ FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkhyfjYACgkQi+vbBBjt66CdLQCfet8ls7tfg5jV5I7gSOw8QwhC maoAn2sBwjfoOBhFt6u5fELK9X6XMp0A =Bxr3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 7 20:39:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1691065682; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:39:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from weak.local (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B158FC18; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:39:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <48727F14.6090507@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:39:48 +0200 From: Kris Kennaway User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrey Chernov , Kris Kennaway , Maxim Sobolev , Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav , Doug Barton , current@FreeBSD.org, Konrad Jankowski , Diomidis Spinellis , hackers@FreeBSD.org, Gabor Kovesdan , K?vesd?n G?bor , "Sean C. Farley" , Max Khon References: <20080617004647.GA16546@nagual.pp.ru> <48576610.9080808@FreeBSD.org> <48577510.4020007@aueb.gr> <48577BD2.4070205@bluemedia.pl> <20080617102900.GA46479@nagual.pp.ru> <485798C4.2050605@FreeBSD.org> <20080618055851.GA85018@nagual.pp.ru> <86zlpjduew.fsf@ds4.des.no> <48598C6D.4040102@FreeBSD.org> <48727747.7070509@FreeBSD.org> <20080707201447.GA37354@nagual.pp.ru> In-Reply-To: <20080707201447.GA37354@nagual.pp.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 20:50:04 +0000 Cc: Subject: Re: CFT: BSD-licensed grep [Fwd: cvs commit: ports/textproc/bsdgrep Makefile distinfo] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 20:39:51 -0000 Andrey Chernov wrote: > On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 10:06:31PM +0200, Kris Kennaway wrote: >> What regression suites do other implementations have? e.g. the GNU >> textutils. > > They basically have regex tests, but nothing locale specific, since locale > ordering is different from platform to platform (until Unicode Collation > Algorithm will win). > OK. Well at least it is a start - passing those existing regression tests should be a goal. Kris From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 7 21:04:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E75301065670 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:04:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from weak.local (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B4C8FC21; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:04:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <487284CA.4050407@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 23:04:10 +0200 From: Kris Kennaway User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: d@delphij.net References: <48726193.1080807@FreeBSD.org> <48727E37.30700@delphij.net> In-Reply-To: <48727E37.30700@delphij.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, "Murty, Ravi" Subject: Re: Bug in calcru in he 6.2 and 6.3 kernels X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:04:12 -0000 Xin LI wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Kris Kennaway wrote: > | Murty, Ravi wrote: > |> Hello everyone, > |> > |> > |> > |> Finally found what my last problem was. We were running top in a loop > |> and running some workloads that called sched_bind() to bind threads to > |> specific CPUs. The problem was that (and I am using ULE) sched_bind > |> calls a function to notify another CPU of a thread and then mi_switches > |> out of it. Since mi_switch sets the "oncpu" field of the thread to NOCPU > |> and given the thread is still running, calcru would come in and assert > |> the fact that "If I am running I better no be on NOCPU".. It appears > |> that in other parts of the kernel (e.g. forward_signal) this is > |> acceptable (i.e. it is okay to be running and oncpu is NOCPU). > |> > |> > |> Thanks > |> Ravi > | > | Don't use ULE in 6.x, it's broken and will not be fixed. > > Perhaps we should mark it as broken using #error? After all the ULE > changes in 7.x is amazing and we do not want to have users to obtain bad > impressions from the 6.x versions... > > I am not sure but some explicit warning message saying "ULE has been > revamped in FreeBSD 7.x+ and will not be MFC'ed back to 6.x, please use > SCHED_4BSD or upgrade to 7.x." seems to be better than having them to > pursue the mailing list archive... I would agree with this; if you're happy running unstable and broken scheduler code, you're surely able to update to 7.0 and run stable and working scheduler code :) We should run it past re@ first since it's a change to a stable branch, but it's experimental code so I don't see an issue. Kris From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 7 20:56:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84885106568B; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:56:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from viefep31-int.chello.at (viefep31-int.chello.at [62.179.121.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1DC8FC18; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:56:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [89.134.207.83] by viefep31-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20080707205635.XJZM23341.viefep31-int.chello.at@[89.134.207.83]>; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 22:56:35 +0200 Message-ID: <48728301.5070403@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:56:33 +0200 From: Gabor Kovesdan User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway References: <20080617004647.GA16546@nagual.pp.ru> <48576610.9080808@FreeBSD.org> <48577510.4020007@aueb.gr> <48577BD2.4070205@bluemedia.pl> <20080617102900.GA46479@nagual.pp.ru> <485798C4.2050605@FreeBSD.org> <20080618055851.GA85018@nagual.pp.ru> <86zlpjduew.fsf@ds4.des.no> <48598C6D.4040102@FreeBSD.org> <48727747.7070509@FreeBSD.org> <20080707201447.GA37354@nagual.pp.ru> <48727F14.6090507@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <48727F14.6090507@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:23:43 +0000 Cc: Maxim Sobolev , Doug Barton , current@FreeBSD.org, Andrey Chernov , Konrad Jankowski , Diomidis Spinellis , hackers@FreeBSD.org, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav , "Sean C. Farley" , Max Khon Subject: Re: CFT: BSD-licensed grep [Fwd: cvs commit: ports/textproc/bsdgrep Makefile distinfo] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 20:56:38 -0000 Kris Kennaway escribió: > Andrey Chernov wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 10:06:31PM +0200, Kris Kennaway wrote: >>> What regression suites do other implementations have? e.g. the GNU >>> textutils. >> >> They basically have regex tests, but nothing locale specific, since >> locale ordering is different from platform to platform (until Unicode >> Collation Algorithm will win). >> > > OK. Well at least it is a start - passing those existing regression > tests should be a goal. Well, it seems you have missed the first nits of the discussion. GNU grep has some regression test, which doesn't pass completely itself either. :) I've mentioned here that I used those tests to find out what incompatible options are there. Unfortunately, I have to say that BSD grep won't pass all of those, because GNU allows some non-standard regexes, which are rejected by our libc-regex library, like for example (a|) is not standard because it has an empty subexpression. First, I tried to pre-edit such expression in the code. It was ugly enough but I thought: "Ok, this code is pretty ugly, but compatibility is important, maybe we can later revise and/or change our regexp library and get rid of these snippets." Later, when Andrey pointed it out, I realized that my workarounds adressed those incompatibilities but didn't work completely, they broke compatibility at other places, thus I just removed them, because it was not that easy to fix. The version that I sent you for the portbuild test, doesn't have those workarounds. The regression test helped though to fix other compatibility issues, like return values. All of these trivial things are supposed to be compatible now, the only exceptions are the non-standard regexes. That's why I'm so curious about the results. If they are inacceptable, we can try to build BSD grep with the GNU regexp lib (it's in the tree, as Pedro F. Giffuni pointed it out). It doesn't work by just linking with that library, so it will need more work and investigation then, not speaking about that GNU regex should go one day... Regards, Gábor From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 8 05:37:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF27D106567E; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 05:37:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.org) Received: from pd4mo3so.prod.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA33B8FC1D; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 05:37:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.org) Received: from pd4mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr2so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.213]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0K3O007A67GQQ7C0@l-daemon>; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:36:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml10so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.80]) by pd4mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-7.05 (built Sep 5 2006)) with ESMTP id <0K3O00FH37GQZD70@pd4mr2so.prod.shaw.ca>; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:36:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from soralx ([24.87.3.133]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0K3O003IO7GP2G70@l-daemon>; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:36:25 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:36:25 -0700 From: soralx@cydem.org In-reply-to: To: fjwcash@gmail.com Message-id: <20080707213625.69bb0bf4@soralx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.9; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <784966050807021123l267aa20en39eb513c12c90ad2@mail.gmail.com> <20080702235800.H47773@fledge.watson.org> <486C8700.5020100@lobraun.de> <20080703092511.T69986@fledge.watson.org> <486F8C57.9050908@wubethiopia.com> Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sysinstall is still inadequate after all of these years X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 05:37:26 -0000 > Hear, hear! To be honest, this is the only bit about the current > sysinstall that I really dislike: the fact that it can be used for > post-installation configuration and package installation. This causes > no end of trouble for newbies, who seem to view sysinstall as "The One > True System Admin Tool" and try to use it for configuring/installing > everything. Too many times, on various BSD forums, I've had to walk > people through cleaning up /etc/rc.conf and showing them how to > correctly install/configure things (using standard FreeBSD tools), > since they used sysinstall for everything. That may be true, but sysinstall did help me do basic, essentical configuration of my very first installed system, and a few installs after that (until I learned about /etc/rc.conf et al). And I never regarded it as The One True Sysadmin Tool, because I did not use Linux distros, thus never got used to their ways. It's just that the simple configuration menu really helped me to get a useful system running in a few minutes (though menu items certainly could make use of more verbose descriptions). And then I could play with the working system and learn ways to configure it. So, IMHO, a basic curses system configuration utility is still needed, and should be run after sysinstall or it should tell the user how to run it (maybe in motd, or sysinstall itself?). > IMO, the installer should allow you to partition the disk(s), format > the partition(s), install the OS, configure a user, and reboot the > system. Anything beyond that should be handled by the OS tools, from > within the installed and running OS. > > The tricky part will be getting the disk slicing, slice partitioning, > and filesystem formatting to work reliably, with all the power of > FreeBSD's GEOM modules, and ZFS. [SorAlx] ridin' VS1400 From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 8 07:11:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B31071065679 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 07:11:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F4A88FC12 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 07:11:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so1308962fgb.35 for ; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 00:11:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=uaPmiliFTQa0BR8rqDBX12U/YJFrMAfdKh0tDkmlH2M=; b=pn8TYEdEgpLTtAukxdGvlls0Kvhj11s2w81AHzbfJo8ul94dgmEIBysR+rJeWrZsPs tQe/CP87Q567CNO2DUdKx1Q5Tt3AhtMC2ImhaRRIZU5BhypNxHeeR8oYrqKCODT4IzRJ 565ZRXQ/q3h9R9CftjfhZ8Clr3AH+uB4NxyT0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=VdBRcUex/pv/YEOQxIm8xjzY/6qX+mo+aNf2fTOVzb48Rxhqsa8C/XF3IKuJi6Omil OgVUVW9TLSTVVSqmoMa4P96ZlKU9N/k2jCP1VuhKGNREEi5J4RNKsU9+pttDlcCDTjoA FRiGvb6hE+5qpLjJVSBaWlakunwv9pErTQC2Q= Received: by 10.86.58.3 with SMTP id g3mr5143603fga.21.1215501110905; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 00:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.25.1 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 00:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1bd550a00807080011j3355b80ame4de6c3546b04f4b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 09:11:50 +0200 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fernando_Apestegu=EDa?=" To: "Alexander Sack" In-Reply-To: <3c0b01820807030752p212c3f17i236004c37bc39016@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1bd550a00807020950x24af0f8n6d2a9c66f14f1cfd@mail.gmail.com> <3c0b01820807030752p212c3f17i236004c37bc39016@mail.gmail.com> Cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7 64 bits kernel crash debugging X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 07:11:53 -0000 On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Alexander Sack wrote: > On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Fernando Apestegu=EDa > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I'm experiencing several kernel crashes with the GENERIC kernel and >> with custom kernels as well. One of my MP3 players seems to be >> recognized, but if I disconnect it from the USB port (even without >> mounting the device), I got a kernel crash. >> >> I've tried to follow the instructions at >> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/developers-handbook/kerneldebug.html >> I have dumpdev and dumpdir properly set to my swap partition (ad0s2b) >> and to /var/crash. >> >> However, during the next boot, I got a message that indicates it is >> looking for a dump on such device but it couldn't find any. >> >> How can I track this error? > > Have you enabled at least KDB/DDB debugger support so you can look at > a stack trace ("t") and post this? This will at least give us/you > some idea on what is crashing... No, running GENERIC kernel. > > Add minimally to your kernel build conf file: > > options DDB > options KDB > > Rebuild, reboot, and test. I'm not sure why a crash dump is not > working. Have you tried specifying your dump device in your kernel > config file? Hi, First of all sorry for the delay, but my ISP is pissing me off since a couple of days and I don't have either telephone, nor Internet connection :S Anyway, I managed to recompile the kernel with debugging support. I provoked the panic and here is the trace: db> t Tracing pid 2 tid 100006 td 0xffffff0001096340 xpt_done() at xpt_done+0x54 cam_periph_runccb() at cam_periph_runccb+0x46 daprevent() at daprevent+0x80 daclose() at daclose+0x164 g_disk_access() at g_disk_access+0x107 g_access() at g_access+0x188 g_bsd_taste() at g_bsd_taste+0xdc g_new_provider_event() at g_new_provider_event+0x75 g_run_events() at g_run_events+0x1c7 g_event_procbody() at g_event_procbody+0x56 fork_exit() at fork_exit+0x11e fork_trampoline() at fork_trampoline()+0xe --- trap 0, rip =3D 0, rsp =3D 0xffffffffa0574d30, rbp =3D 0 --- The chain of events that leads to this panic is as follows: 1.- I plug the mp3 player in 2.- I see console messages about the device (size, transfer speed, etc). It is assigned the da0 device 3.- I list /dev and ther is no da0 (kernel still busy doing something?) 4.- After waiting some time (even minutes) I unplug the mp3 player and I got the crash. Thanks in advance. > > Let us know, > > -aps > From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 8 07:21:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E861065679 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 07:21:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from MTaylor@bytecraft.com.au) Received: from bcmelmx.bytecraft.au.com (bcmelmx.bytecraft.au.com [203.39.118.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B57848FC1C for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 07:21:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from MTaylor@bytecraft.com.au) Received: from svmailmarshal.bytecraft.internal ([10.0.0.3]) by bcmelmx.bytecraft.au.com (8.13.8/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m687LcoM028047; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 17:21:38 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from MTaylor@bytecraft.com.au) Received: from svmailmel.bytecraft.internal (Not Verified[10.0.0.24]) by svmailmarshal.bytecraft.internal with MailMarshal (v6, 4, 1, 5038) id ; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:21:37 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8E0CB.4279865E" Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 17:21:34 +1000 Message-ID: <04E232FDCD9FBE43857F7066CAD3C0F15B8264@svmailmel.bytecraft.internal> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: massive interrupt storm Thread-Index: AcjfyHw9c6ot/UQHTRiqolxYeScAnQBAVHtg From: "Murray Taylor" To: "Sergey Babkin" Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: RE: massive interrupt storm X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 07:21:42 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8E0CB.4279865E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org=20 > [mailto:owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Sergey Babkin > Sent: Monday, 7 July 2008 8:56 AM > To: Murray Taylor > Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: massive interrupt storm >=20 > Murray Taylor wrote: > >=20 > > Hi all, > >=20 > > We have just purchased some servers with a view to > > using them as firewalls within our WAN, and have discovered that > > they are suject to a massive interrupt storm on IRQ17. > >=20 > > systat -v is showing 59000 -> 63000 interrupts continuously > > on this IRQ, and 90%->98% Interrupt CPU usage >=20 > One typical reason for "interrupt storms" is this: >=20 > Some device has been initialized by BIOS and has indicated > an interrupt but there is no driver in the OS to handle this > interrupt. PCI allows sharing of the interrupts, i.e. multiple > devices show their interrupts on the same IRQ line. The interrupt > is signalled by level, i.e. if any device on this IRQ has an > interrupt pending, it would pull the line low. OS has no way > to tell which one, other than by trying all the drivers for > the devices sitting on this line. Once the driver has found > that its device is the one signalling interrupt, it services > it, cleans the device state, and the device lets go of the > IRQ line.=20 >=20 > The trouble starts when there is some device for which there > is no driver. OS runs its interrupt handler, polls each driver, > each of them says "nope, not mine", teh interrupt handler exits > and gets called again right away. The fix is to disable the > unsupported devices in BIOS or at least collect them on some > IRQ line that is not used by any supported devices. >=20 > -SB > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to=20 > "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" vmstat -i output interrupt total rate irq1: atkbd0 78 0 irq6: fdc0 3 0 irq16: uhci0 ehci0 3 0 irq17: mpt0 uhci1* 680341376 57301 irq21: bge0 11806 0 cpu0: timer 23737523 1999 Total 704090789 59301 >=20 > Did you try to disable USB in BIOS? (yes, you don't have PS/2, > but you can use SSH for testing) yes > Also did you try to disable ACPI? yes I have attached the output from lspci and pciconf .. We have variously shutdown all USB in the bios, pulled the=20 Raid daughter board, and still cant solve this storm. Currently looking for the SMB 'kill switch' .. And will also look into the SATA chips, but with not much hope (soldering iron anyone?) A point or two -- we get bge0 but not bge1 under FreeBSD, and FresBSD 4.11, 6.2 and 7.0 all exhibit the same problem. The box seems to work with knoppix, insofar as we DO get both NICs and dont seem to get the storm. This data (knoppix) is a bit flakey as it was late at night so we didnt look too hard after the NICs came up. mjt --------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted in this e-mail is for the exclusive use of the intended addressee and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, re-transmission, dissemination or other use of it, or the taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons and/or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 07:36:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: from mx01.sc1.parodius.com (mx01.sc1.parodius.com [72.20.106.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 196858FC14 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 07:36:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: by mx01.sc1.parodius.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CB50D1CC077; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 00:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 00:36:30 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Murray Taylor Message-ID: <20080708073630.GA64146@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: <04E232FDCD9FBE43857F7066CAD3C0F15B8264@svmailmel.bytecraft.internal> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <04E232FDCD9FBE43857F7066CAD3C0F15B8264@svmailmel.bytecraft.internal> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Sergey Babkin Subject: Re: massive interrupt storm X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 07:36:31 -0000 On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 05:21:34PM +1000, Murray Taylor wrote: > We have variously shutdown all USB in the bios, pulled the > Raid daughter board, and still cant solve this storm. Have you tried disabling MSI and MSI-X in FreeBSD to see if it makes a difference? Set hw.pci.enable_msi="0" and hw.pci.enable_msix="0" in /boot/loader.conf and reboot. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 8 13:57:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB4C1065683; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:57:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from weak.local (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE8F88FC20; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:57:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <4873723D.7040501@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:57:17 +0200 From: Kris Kennaway User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=E1bor_K=F6vesd=E1n?= References: <20080617004647.GA16546@nagual.pp.ru> <48576610.9080808@FreeBSD.org> <48577510.4020007@aueb.gr> <48577BD2.4070205@bluemedia.pl> <20080617102900.GA46479@nagual.pp.ru> <485798C4.2050605@FreeBSD.org> <20080618055851.GA85018@nagual.pp.ru> <86zlpjduew.fsf@ds4.des.no> <48598C6D.4040102@FreeBSD.org> <48727747.7070509@FreeBSD.org> <20080707201447.GA37354@nagual.pp.ru> <48727F14.6090507@FreeBSD.org> <48728301.5070403@FreeBSD.org> <487294AB.3000609@FreeBSD.org> <48736FB7.8070900@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <48736FB7.8070900@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: CFT: BSD-licensed grep [Fwd: cvs commit: ports/textproc/bsdgrep Makefile distinfo] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:57:15 -0000 Gábor Kövesdán wrote: > >>> Well, it seems you have missed the first nits of the discussion. GNU >>> grep has some regression test, which doesn't pass completely itself >>> either. :) I've mentioned here that I used those tests to find out >>> what incompatible options are there. Unfortunately, I have to say >>> that BSD grep won't pass all of those, because GNU allows some >>> non-standard regexes, which are rejected by our libc-regex library, >>> like for example (a|) is not standard because it has an empty >>> subexpression. First, I tried to pre-edit such expression in the >>> code. It was ugly enough but I thought: "Ok, this code is pretty >>> ugly, but compatibility is important, maybe we can later revise >>> and/or change our regexp library and get rid of these snippets." >>> Later, when Andrey pointed it out, I realized that my workarounds >>> adressed those incompatibilities but didn't work completely, they >>> broke compatibility at other places, thus I just removed them, >>> because it was not that easy to fix. The version that I sent you for >>> the portbuild test, doesn't have those workarounds. The regression >>> test helped though to fix other compatibility issues, like return >>> values. All of these trivial things are supposed to be compatible >>> now, the only exceptions are the non-standard regexes. That's why I'm >>> so curious about the results. If they are inacceptable, we can try to >>> build BSD grep with the GNU regexp lib (it's in the tree, as Pedro F. >>> Giffuni pointed it out). It doesn't work by just linking with that >>> library, so it will need more work and investigation then, not >>> speaking about that GNU regex should go one day... >> >> OK, yes I did miss the start of the thread, but I was trying to >> suggest that grep doesn't seem to be functional enough yet and this is >> a way to work on identifying what needs to be fixed. > Could you please send me some logs of ports which build with GNU grep > but not with BSD grep? That would help me to identify the problems and > find out if those problems come from non-standard regexes or what's > happening here? No, because every port build fails because egrep -v is failing to work properly in the management scripts :) I sent you mail about this already. Kris From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 8 14:04:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32F3F1065684; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:04:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [87.229.73.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4EA18FC1D; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:04:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C701A14D6582; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:46:36 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at t-hosting.hu Received: from server.mypc.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (server.mypc.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id jYH+HukW2cdH; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:46:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.177] (catv-50629c59.catv.broadband.hu [80.98.156.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 99D3514D6581; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:46:31 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <48736FB7.8070900@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:46:31 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=E1bor_K=F6vesd=E1n?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway References: <20080617004647.GA16546@nagual.pp.ru> <48576610.9080808@FreeBSD.org> <48577510.4020007@aueb.gr> <48577BD2.4070205@bluemedia.pl> <20080617102900.GA46479@nagual.pp.ru> <485798C4.2050605@FreeBSD.org> <20080618055851.GA85018@nagual.pp.ru> <86zlpjduew.fsf@ds4.des.no> <48598C6D.4040102@FreeBSD.org> <48727747.7070509@FreeBSD.org> <20080707201447.GA37354@nagual.pp.ru> <48727F14.6090507@FreeBSD.org> <48728301.5070403@FreeBSD.org> <487294AB.3000609@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <487294AB.3000609@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: CFT: BSD-licensed grep [Fwd: cvs commit: ports/textproc/bsdgrep Makefile distinfo] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:04:28 -0000 >> Well, it seems you have missed the first nits of the discussion. GNU >> grep has some regression test, which doesn't pass completely itself >> either. :) I've mentioned here that I used those tests to find out >> what incompatible options are there. Unfortunately, I have to say >> that BSD grep won't pass all of those, because GNU allows some >> non-standard regexes, which are rejected by our libc-regex library, >> like for example (a|) is not standard because it has an empty >> subexpression. First, I tried to pre-edit such expression in the >> code. It was ugly enough but I thought: "Ok, this code is pretty >> ugly, but compatibility is important, maybe we can later revise >> and/or change our regexp library and get rid of these snippets." >> Later, when Andrey pointed it out, I realized that my workarounds >> adressed those incompatibilities but didn't work completely, they >> broke compatibility at other places, thus I just removed them, >> because it was not that easy to fix. The version that I sent you for >> the portbuild test, doesn't have those workarounds. The regression >> test helped though to fix other compatibility issues, like return >> values. All of these trivial things are supposed to be compatible >> now, the only exceptions are the non-standard regexes. That's why I'm >> so curious about the results. If they are inacceptable, we can try to >> build BSD grep with the GNU regexp lib (it's in the tree, as Pedro F. >> Giffuni pointed it out). It doesn't work by just linking with that >> library, so it will need more work and investigation then, not >> speaking about that GNU regex should go one day... > > OK, yes I did miss the start of the thread, but I was trying to > suggest that grep doesn't seem to be functional enough yet and this is > a way to work on identifying what needs to be fixed. Could you please send me some logs of ports which build with GNU grep but not with BSD grep? That would help me to identify the problems and find out if those problems come from non-standard regexes or what's happening here? I've looked at our regex library and it is written by Henry Spencer. He has a slightly newer version, but he seems to be consequent and the implementation choices are the same, those non-standard regexes are still rejected by his library. I've also looked at PCRE, which was mentioned in this list. In fact, PCRE actually has a POSIX-compliant interface, but it's just the interface, the interpreted regexes are still Perl-like. -- Gabor Kovesdan EMAIL: gabor@FreeBSD.org WWW: http://www.kovesdan.org From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 8 14:48:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C174E1065683; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:48:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mtm@wubethiopia.com) Received: from dire.wubethiopia.com (j071.v.rootbsd.net [208.79.82.223]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9840B8FC14; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:48:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mtm@wubethiopia.com) Received: from rogue.mike.lan (unknown [213.55.70.149]) by dire.wubethiopia.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 778574FD9A90; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:48:16 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <48737F79.6070401@wubethiopia.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:53:45 +0300 From: Mike Makonnen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080323) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Freddie Cash References: <784966050807021123l267aa20en39eb513c12c90ad2@mail.gmail.com> <20080702235800.H47773@fledge.watson.org> <486C8700.5020100@lobraun.de> <20080703092511.T69986@fledge.watson.org> <486F8C57.9050908@wubethiopia.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: Re: Sysinstall is still inadequate after all of these years X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:48:35 -0000 Freddie Cash wrote: > > The tricky part will be getting the disk slicing, slice partitioning, > and filesystem formatting to work reliably, with all the power of > FreeBSD's GEOM modules, and ZFS. > Actually, this is probably the easiest part (at least for UFS). The libdisk(3) library abstracts most of it out of the installer. Cheers. -- Mike Makonnen | GPG-KEY: http://people.freebsd.org/~mtm/mtm.asc mtm @ FreeBSD.Org | AC7B 5672 2D11 F4D0 EBF8 5279 5359 2B82 7CD4 1F55 FreeBSD | http://www.freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 8 14:54:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF7F21065685; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:54:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mtm@wubethiopia.com) Received: from dire.wubethiopia.com (j071.v.rootbsd.net [208.79.82.223]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C68528FC25; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:54:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mtm@wubethiopia.com) Received: from rogue.mike.lan (unknown [213.55.81.132]) by dire.wubethiopia.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 575E44FD9A90; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:54:26 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <487380FA.6080004@wubethiopia.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 18:00:10 +0300 From: Mike Makonnen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080323) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: soralx@cydem.org References: <784966050807021123l267aa20en39eb513c12c90ad2@mail.gmail.com> <20080702235800.H47773@fledge.watson.org> <486C8700.5020100@lobraun.de> <20080703092511.T69986@fledge.watson.org> <486F8C57.9050908@wubethiopia.com> <20080707213625.69bb0bf4@soralx> In-Reply-To: <20080707213625.69bb0bf4@soralx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: Sysinstall is still inadequate after all of these years X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:54:37 -0000 soralx@cydem.org wrote: >> Hear, hear! To be honest, this is the only bit about the current >> sysinstall that I really dislike: the fact that it can be used for >> post-installation configuration and package installation. This causes >> no end of trouble for newbies, who seem to view sysinstall as "The One >> True System Admin Tool" and try to use it for configuring/installing >> everything. Too many times, on various BSD forums, I've had to walk >> people through cleaning up /etc/rc.conf and showing them how to >> correctly install/configure things (using standard FreeBSD tools), >> since they used sysinstall for everything. > > That may be true, but sysinstall did help me do basic, essentical > configuration of my very first installed system, and a few installs after > that (until I learned about /etc/rc.conf et al). And I never regarded it as > The One True Sysadmin Tool, because I did not use Linux distros, thus never > got used to their ways. It's just that the simple configuration menu really > helped me to get a useful system running in a few minutes (though menu items > certainly could make use of more verbose descriptions). And then I could > play with the working system and learn ways to configure it. > > So, IMHO, a basic curses system configuration utility is still needed, and > should be run after sysinstall or it should tell the user how to run it > (maybe in motd, or sysinstall itself?). > Yes, I agree that such a tool is useful, but it does not belong in the installer. In fact, the BSD Installer framework can be used here also to separate the implementation details from the user interface. Cheers. -- Mike Makonnen | GPG-KEY: http://people.freebsd.org/~mtm/mtm.asc mtm @ FreeBSD.Org | AC7B 5672 2D11 F4D0 EBF8 5279 5359 2B82 7CD4 1F55 FreeBSD | http://www.freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 8 16:02:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C6FD106567A for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 16:02:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (unknown [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 938308FC14 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 16:02:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m68G1v52019962; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 18:01:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m68G1vgc019961; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 18:01:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 18:01:57 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200807081601.m68G1vgc019961@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Matthias Apitz In-Reply-To: <20080624131150.GA21185@rebelion.Sisis.de> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-hackers User-Agent: tin/1.8.3-20070201 ("Scotasay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.2-STABLE-20070808 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 08 Jul 2008 18:01:59 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Subject: Re: eeePC 900 with SSD && reducing writes X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Matthias Apitz List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:02:01 -0000 Matthias Apitz wrote: > I'd also like to get rid of 'lastlog' and 'wtmp' but even if the man > page claims that they will not be created if they don't exist, they > come up again and again; > > another candidate of not needed log is > /var/log/Xorg.n.log ... You can get rid of an on-disk /var alltogether. Add these lines to /etc/rc.conf: varmfs="yes" varsize="32m" It will create a memory FS for /var of 32 MB (default). You could also mount some or all of your disk partitions read-only. That's what I do on my embedded FreeBSD-driven mp3 player (running from a CF card instead of hard disk), because it doesn't have to write anything anywhere. If you have any disk partitions that you mount read+write, be sure to enable soft-updates because it tends to reduce the number of physical write operations. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd "FreeBSD is Yoda, Linux is Luke Skywalker" -- Daniel C. Sobral From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 8 19:23:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C050106566B; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:23:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rink@rink.nu) Received: from mx1.rink.nu (gloom.rink.nu [213.34.49.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 513BD8FC1F; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:23:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rink@rink.nu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.rink.nu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B446D41E; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 21:04:11 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rink.nu Received: from mx1.rink.nu ([213.34.49.2]) by localhost (gloom.rink.nu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WKCCkw5yaY-q; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 21:04:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mx1.rink.nu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 86AAB6D41B; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 21:04:07 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 21:04:07 +0200 From: Rink Springer To: Mike Makonnen Message-ID: <20080708190407.GA68713@rink.nu> References: <784966050807021123l267aa20en39eb513c12c90ad2@mail.gmail.com> <20080702235800.H47773@fledge.watson.org> <486C8700.5020100@lobraun.de> <20080703092511.T69986@fledge.watson.org> <486F8C57.9050908@wubethiopia.com> <48737F79.6070401@wubethiopia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <48737F79.6070401@wubethiopia.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: Re: Sysinstall is still inadequate after all of these years X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 19:23:40 -0000 On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 05:53:45PM +0300, Mike Makonnen wrote: > Freddie Cash wrote: > > > > The tricky part will be getting the disk slicing, slice partitioning, > > and filesystem formatting to work reliably, with all the power of > > FreeBSD's GEOM modules, and ZFS. > > > > Actually, this is probably the easiest part (at least for UFS). The > libdisk(3) library abstracts most of it out of the installer. ...except that libdisk(3) was supposed to be a temporary hack. I'd really suggest that something cleaner is to be written; libdisk(3) really is not the way to go. Have a look at the code and see for yourself. Regards, -- Rink P.W. Springer - http://rink.nu "Anyway boys, this is America. Just because you get more votes doesn't mean you win." - Fox Mulder From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 8 19:56:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2816C1065673; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:56:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xcllnt@mac.com) Received: from smtpoutm.mac.com (smtpoutm.mac.com [17.148.16.76]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B5F68FC30; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:56:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xcllnt@mac.com) Received: from asmtp019-bge351000.mac.com (asmtp019-bge351000 [10.150.69.82]) by smtpoutm.mac.com (Xserve/smtpout013/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m68JbnTH016812; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 12:37:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Received: from macbook-pro.jnpr.net (natint3.juniper.net [66.129.224.36]) by asmtp019.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-6.03 (built Mar 14 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0K3P00H29D70KW20@asmtp019.mac.com>; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 12:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Sender: xcllnt@mac.com Message-id: <47A12EFB-2433-4E60-BE15-48E1BDD22238@mac.com> From: Marcel Moolenaar To: Rink Springer In-reply-to: <20080708190407.GA68713@rink.nu> Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 12:37:48 -0700 References: <784966050807021123l267aa20en39eb513c12c90ad2@mail.gmail.com> <20080702235800.H47773@fledge.watson.org> <486C8700.5020100@lobraun.de> <20080703092511.T69986@fledge.watson.org> <486F8C57.9050908@wubethiopia.com> <48737F79.6070401@wubethiopia.com> <20080708190407.GA68713@rink.nu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: Mike Makonnen , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Sysinstall is still inadequate after all of these years X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 19:56:25 -0000 On Jul 8, 2008, at 12:04 PM, Rink Springer wrote: > On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 05:53:45PM +0300, Mike Makonnen wrote: >> Freddie Cash wrote: >>> >>> The tricky part will be getting the disk slicing, slice >>> partitioning, >>> and filesystem formatting to work reliably, with all the power of >>> FreeBSD's GEOM modules, and ZFS. >>> >> >> Actually, this is probably the easiest part (at least for UFS). The >> libdisk(3) library abstracts most of it out of the installer. > > ...except that libdisk(3) was supposed to be a temporary hack. I'd > really > suggest that something cleaner is to be written; libdisk(3) really is > not the way to go. Have a look at the code and see for yourself. Yes, libdisk is bad. GEOM_PART has been designed for use by installers. It can be interfaced faily easily. See gpart(8) for example. FYI, -- Marcel Moolenaar xcllnt@mac.com From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 8 22:21:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FC4F106567A for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:21:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zbeeble@gmail.com) Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF9828FC0A for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:21:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zbeeble@gmail.com) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so412595ele.13 for ; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:21:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=O3tijX6nEeJwanfDivY4p2n9lTzsZAhCe0AHwHcbZgQ=; b=Ho0w5ot47KOspQyJZvba5dR1WN99WPM8vyJjddO9FQmhw9cu02Z6vKjxEEWHgU1O5N nBfmX01xzAeQKYeNyFWt+4iF+InEwY/LpIxRPamL7CF2lJ617kfHAjO3dgk0Ufs0JHXS 2Rj4W2qi/fhWCseAaonTFNAmk9HIIqVg2TQLU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=mm3LMzEOT5J9HVgaEtMrTymY9SU3gQ2ASbRcf935EY92Qqs6hFbzcEuSg+Nc8JIWUH +TtKsRT6Zy9PEp5amCoXA4kGY1lI0qdcsQy0M7ERpDQeKV9dBGX6hTLqTDoLmU38R4CC 4jZrdpML6L6qL54XcEn0R+U/jE0HzkzzKlpQI= Received: by 10.151.114.6 with SMTP id r6mr11114531ybm.181.1215555687133; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:21:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.137.11 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:21:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5f67a8c40807081521o1f32660ak392672da61e490fd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 18:21:27 -0400 From: "Zaphod Beeblebrox" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Glaring 64 bit omission X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:21:28 -0000 I was just following up to a post in the forms nvidia supports regarding the graphics cards and FreeBSD when it struck me... Possibly one of the most important glaring omissions to the current FreeBSD platform and it's associated desktop projects is the lack of an nvidia 3D driver. Now I do follow the various forums and mailing lists sufficiently to be quite aware of the requests that nvidia has made for the FreeBSD kernel, the latest reported status on these items and the discussions about these items. I am even somewhat familliar with the efforts for open source drivers on both nvidia (barely supporting 2D at this point) and 3D drivers on other types of hardware (Intel and AMD) In the other forum, I commented that in all my reading, I had not come across someone saying that either a) the nvidia requests seemed unneccary or even b) that the nvidia requests served only the interests of nvida or some narrow (possibly bad) design of hardware. Now... the kernel modifications seem rather major to my untrained eye... something that seems highly unlikely to be considered for MFC. That being the case, it's already too late to consider nvidia cards working on AMD-64 in 7.x. _That_ being said, it seems that these kernel items should be on a priority list for 8.0 (and possibly even delaying 8.0 until we can achieve them so that 64bit nvidia support (arriving in -STABLE) is not delayed another year or two). Although AMD64 is a new platform, it was a platform born out of desperation. There's good evidence for this position in the amount of sheer crow Intel had to consume by supporting the architecture. I multi-boot my laptop to take advantage of it's DUAL-8800M video cards, but I also spend much of my time in amd64 mode because I find i386 too restrictive (for ZFS, for application size, for amount of supported RAM, etc.). In fact, running ZFS in 32 bit mode seems to run the system out of resources required to run 3D application (although there is talk on the FreeBSD lists that future ZFS patches may mitigate this behaviour --- but the fact seems to remain that both ZFS and nvidia require gobs of kernel resources --- which in turn both point to 64 bit OS). From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 8 22:45:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D5D01065673 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:45:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mwm-keyword-freebsdhackers2.e313df@mired.org) Received: from mired.org (five.mired.org [66.92.153.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 215578FC23 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:45:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mwm-keyword-freebsdhackers2.e313df@mired.org) Received: (qmail 34727 invoked by uid 1001); 8 Jul 2008 18:45:39 -0400 Received: from bhuda.mired.org (bhuda [192.168.195.1]) by bhuda (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 18:45:38 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 18:45:37 -0400 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080708184537.7dc1900a@bhuda.mired.org> In-Reply-To: <5f67a8c40807081521o1f32660ak392672da61e490fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <5f67a8c40807081521o1f32660ak392672da61e490fd@mail.gmail.com> Organization: Meyer Consulting X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.4.0 (GTK+ 2.12.9; amd64-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) From: Mike Meyer Cc: Zaphod Beeblebrox Subject: Re: Glaring 64 bit omission X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:45:53 -0000 On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 18:21:27 -0400 "Zaphod Beeblebrox" wrote: > I was just following up to a post in the forms nvidia supports regarding the > graphics cards and FreeBSD when it struck me... Rather late.... > Possibly one of the most important glaring omissions to the current FreeBSD > platform and it's associated desktop projects is the lack of an nvidia 3D > driver. It's been this way for quite a while. > _That_ being said, it seems that these kernel items should be on a priority > list for 8.0 (and possibly even delaying 8.0 until we can achieve them so > that 64bit nvidia support (arriving in -STABLE) is not delayed another year > or two). I'm sure it's on quite a few people's priority lists. Unfortunately for them (yup, them - I don't do 3d on my desktop) none of them appear to be on the important list of people regarding this issue: the list of people with both the time and skills needed to deal with these kernel items. Which is the root of the problem: FreeBSD is a volunteer effort. There's not a lot of incentive to fix a problem that doesn't affect you directly (and the FreeBSD folks are to be congratulated for how well they do on such issues in general!) - and as you point out, this is a rather deep problem. Pointing out that "this issue is N years old and hasn't been addressed" isn't constructive - everyone who could deal with it certainly knows about it by now. That said, since you believe this should be a priority, and have listed how it affects you personally, what have you done that *is* constructive? The obvious ones would be submitting patches that seem to move things in the right direction, or establishing a bounty for such patches. Done either of those? Something I overlooked? http://www.mired.org/consulting.html Independent Network/Unix/Perforce consultant, email for more information. O< ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 9 03:28:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB60106568B for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 03:28:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rick@kiwi-computer.com) Received: from kiwi-computer.com (keira.kiwi-computer.com [63.224.10.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6822A8FC1D for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 03:28:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rick@kiwi-computer.com) Received: (qmail 55324 invoked by uid 2001); 9 Jul 2008 03:02:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:02:09 -0500 From: "Rick C. Petty" To: Freddie Cash Message-ID: <20080709030209.GA55030@keira.kiwi-computer.com> References: <784966050807021123l267aa20en39eb513c12c90ad2@mail.gmail.com> <20080702235800.H47773@fledge.watson.org> <486C8700.5020100@lobraun.de> <20080703092511.T69986@fledge.watson.org> <486F8C57.9050908@wubethiopia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: Sysinstall is still inadequate after all of these years X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rick-freebsd@kiwi-computer.com List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 03:28:53 -0000 On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 11:55:41AM -0700, Freddie Cash wrote: > > IMO, the installer should allow you to partition the disk(s), format > the partition(s), install the OS, configure a user, and reboot the > system. Anything beyond that should be handled by the OS tools, from > within the installed and running OS. It already does all of that, but why reboot right away? The first thing I do while the system is installing is run csup(1) to get the latest source, build and install world/kernel, and build all my ports. I also setup my gmirror and do all my configuration. The only reason I reboot is to use the latest kernel and mount from the mirror. I'd like to see other OSes do all of that. -- Rick C. Petty From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 9 10:16:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24CA21065672 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 10:16:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Matthias.Apitz@oclc.org) Received: from mail.pica.nl (mail.pica.nl [192.87.44.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B02BD8FC0C for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 10:16:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Matthias.Apitz@oclc.org) Received: from rebelion.Sisis.de ([193.31.10.34]) by mail.pica.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 9 Jul 2008 12:16:21 +0200 Received: (from guru@localhost) by rebelion.Sisis.de (8.14.2/8.13.8/Submit) id m69AGJqD006766 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 12:16:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from matthias.apitz@oclc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: rebelion.Sisis.de: guru set sender to matthias.apitz@oclc.org using -f Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 12:16:19 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <20080709101619.GA6723@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20080624131150.GA21185@rebelion.Sisis.de> <200807081601.m68G1vgc019961@lurza.secnetix.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <200807081601.m68G1vgc019961@lurza.secnetix.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE (i386) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2008 10:16:21.0510 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5A5DA60:01C8E1AC] Cc: Subject: Re: eeePC 900 with SSD && reducing writes X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:16:24 -0000 El día Tuesday, July 08, 2008 a las 06:01:57PM +0200, Oliver Fromme escribió: > Matthias Apitz wrote: > > I'd also like to get rid of 'lastlog' and 'wtmp' but even if the man > > page claims that they will not be created if they don't exist, they > > come up again and again; > > > > another candidate of not needed log is > > /var/log/Xorg.n.log ... > > You can get rid of an on-disk /var alltogether. > Add these lines to /etc/rc.conf: > > varmfs="yes" > varsize="32m" > > It will create a memory FS for /var of 32 MB (default). Thanks for the hint, but memfs is not so good because you will loose /var/db; I've created a symlink now from /var/log to /tmp/log and /tmp is memfs; > You could also mount some or all of your disk partitions > read-only. That's what I do on my embedded FreeBSD-driven > mp3 player (running from a CF card instead of hard disk), > because it doesn't have to write anything anywhere. > > If you have any disk partitions that you mount read+write, > be sure to enable soft-updates because it tends to reduce > the number of physical write operations. will think about tunefs and soft-updates; thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ «...una sola vez, que es cuanto basta si se trata de verdades definitivas.» «...only once, which is enough if it has todo with definite truth.» José Saramago, Historia del Cerca de Lisboa From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 9 11:22:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C041065678 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:22:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (unknown [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE0A18FC19 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:22:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m69BMSGE066903; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:22:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m69BMRD3066902; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:22:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:22:27 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200807091122.m69BMRD3066902@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Matthias Apitz In-Reply-To: <20080709101619.GA6723@rebelion.Sisis.de> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-hackers User-Agent: tin/1.8.3-20070201 ("Scotasay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.2-STABLE-20070808 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:22:28 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Subject: Re: eeePC 900 with SSD && reducing writes X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Matthias Apitz List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 11:22:30 -0000 Matthias Apitz wrote: > Oliver Fromme wrote: > > You can get rid of an on-disk /var alltogether. > > Add these lines to /etc/rc.conf: > > > > varmfs="yes" > > varsize="32m" > > > > It will create a memory FS for /var of 32 MB (default). > > Thanks for the hint, but memfs is not so good because you will loose > /var/db; I've created a symlink now from /var/log to /tmp/log and /tmp > is memfs; It depends what you need from /var/db. In my case I didn't need anything from it, so losing it was OK. Another possibility is to create a "static" var directory somewhere (on flash memory), e.g. /svar, and write a small script or mtree file that creates symlinks from the memfs /var to the static /svar, e.g. /var/db -> /svar/db. Yet another solution would be to use unionfs, or a skeleton .tar.gz file that contains initial things for memfs /var. There are many possibilities to choose from. :-) Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd "I started using PostgreSQL around a month ago, and the feeling is similar to the switch from Linux to FreeBSD in '96 -- 'wow!'." -- Oddbjorn Steffensen From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 9 11:29:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA9E11065683 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:29:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B05628FC2B for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:29:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C6282049; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:29:43 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: "Zaphod Beeblebrox" References: <5f67a8c40807081521o1f32660ak392672da61e490fd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:29:42 +0200 In-Reply-To: <5f67a8c40807081521o1f32660ak392672da61e490fd@mail.gmail.com> (Zaphod Beeblebrox's message of "Tue\, 8 Jul 2008 18\:21\:27 -0400") Message-ID: <86bq172t3t.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Glaring 64 bit omission X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 11:29:46 -0000 "Zaphod Beeblebrox" writes: > [kernel changes for nVidia] should be on a priority list for 8.0 (and > possibly even delaying 8.0 until we can achieve them so that 64bit > nvidia support (arriving in -STABLE) is not delayed another year or > two). Firstly, we don't do feature-based releases. We do time-based releases. Secondly, these issues are already being worked on. > Although AMD64 is a new platform No, it isn't. > it was a platform born out of desperation. No, it wasn't. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 9 12:19:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 176331065672 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 12:19:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from biancalana@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.239]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E047C8FC1B for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 12:19:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from biancalana@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so3693546rvf.43 for ; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 05:19:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=LNv7qWmoj6Hljgyk/jW5u+/yoSOEYd01MWgSwaPFk8E=; b=F2oulGSzyFfz4+DmIb0V9e7jjGdhOCGBtj3DIcSziXvWkJJQtCvR9yHMVuErpxfXCM rIJBLkzB4QxHPcD9ohI8hwa2QhSu82kM9iFYI8JxTaoel71s83IHZyndzJt1uPooMsp1 4Lil9kjp+Ox95/rLn50+gOq9WVYoraypIWxnY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=DSRGXX4oFgHhFf89SAV9KwzRvTJxYzf61ePn891NUxE2EeXY7dlRv9Ck7qse9941cJ KMj9AxAmLBi2Ir3tYP0TvckBMvnD6C9qoZ/6L2GZG44pG9+SF8On2z8jo9NKdwjVdzr7 fZ6IkGPf7DW+5kmVg++OLLZMis7V/gRgnxO2k= Received: by 10.141.48.6 with SMTP id a6mr86117rvk.236.1215604228610; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 04:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.114.16 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 04:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8e10486b0807090450n618bab5aj140fc6b4e6b42bb7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 08:50:28 -0300 From: "Alexandre Biancalana" To: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=" In-Reply-To: <86bq172t3t.fsf@ds4.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <5f67a8c40807081521o1f32660ak392672da61e490fd@mail.gmail.com> <86bq172t3t.fsf@ds4.des.no> Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Zaphod Beeblebrox Subject: Re: Glaring 64 bit omission X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:19:33 -0000 Hi Dag, > Secondly, these issues are already being worked on. Who is working on that ? From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 9 14:01:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B02901065671 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:01:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7328C8FC1D for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:01:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02892083; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:01:02 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: "Alexandre Biancalana" References: <5f67a8c40807081521o1f32660ak392672da61e490fd@mail.gmail.com> <86bq172t3t.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8e10486b0807090450n618bab5aj140fc6b4e6b42bb7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:01:01 +0200 In-Reply-To: <8e10486b0807090450n618bab5aj140fc6b4e6b42bb7@mail.gmail.com> (Alexandre Biancalana's message of "Wed\, 9 Jul 2008 08\:50\:28 -0300") Message-ID: <86zlor88de.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Zaphod Beeblebrox Subject: Re: Glaring 64 bit omission X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:01:04 -0000 "Alexandre Biancalana" writes: > "Zaphod Beeblebrox" writes: > > Secondly, these issues are already being worked on. > Who is working on that ? http://wiki.freebsd.org/NvidiaFeatureRequests I wish people would take the time to search the archives before they drag out the same old thing again, and again, and again. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 9 14:43:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5535B1065678 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:43:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asmodai@in-nomine.org) Received: from nexus.in-nomine.org (dhammapada.xs4all.nl [82.95.168.248]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D22048FC1C for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:43:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asmodai@in-nomine.org) Received: from localhost (localhost.domini.in-nomine.org [127.0.0.1]) by nexus.in-nomine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A28BC2DA for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:23:34 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at in-nomine.org Received: from nexus.in-nomine.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nexus.domini.in-nomine.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fWdRcqZkXCIT for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:23:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: by nexus.in-nomine.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0A648C2EA; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:23:33 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:23:33 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080709142332.GB68329@nexus.in-nomine.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organisation: Ninth Circle Enterprises User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Need help debugging Python coredump X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:43:05 -0000 I can reproduce the problem on both 6.3 and 7.0-STABLE. With the current Python 2.6 SVN trunk I have been getting coredumps for a while now when the curses regression tests get run. When it coredumps it is always a signal 11. Steps to reproduce: 1) get Python from trunk: svn checkout http://svn.python.org/projects/python/trunk python 2) configure: cd python && ./configure --prefix=$HOME/python 3) build: make 4) run: ./python -E -tt Lib/test/regrtest.py -l -ucurses test_curses This test will pass, at least it did for me. 5) run: ./python -E -tt Lib/test/regrtest.py -l -uall -rw This starts all tests in a random order with verbosity on. Suddenly test_curses will coredump. I get two backtraces: #0 0x28553c3a in doupdate () from /lib/libncursesw.so.7 #1 0x28854a50 in PyCurses_doupdate (self=0x0) at /usr/home/asmodai/projects/python/Modules/_cursesmodule.c:1652 #2 0x080d097f in PyEval_EvalFrameEx (f=0x82b66fc, throwflag=0) at Python/ceval.c:3629 #3 0x080d186a in PyEval_EvalFrameEx (f=0x8c1098c, throwflag=0) at Python/ceval.c:3731 #4 0x080d186a in PyEval_EvalFrameEx (f=0x93f1c0c, throwflag=0) at Python/ceval.c:3731 #5 0x080d226a in PyEval_EvalCodeEx (co=0x8a8f3c8, globals=0x8c43e84, locals=0x8c43e84, args=0x0, argcount=0, kws=0x0, kwcount=0, defs=0x0, defcount=0, closure=0x0) at Python/ceval.c:2908 #6 0x080d23c7 in PyEval_EvalCode (co=0x8a8f3c8, globals=0x8c43e84, locals=0x8c43e84) at Python/ceval.c:495 #7 0x080e5d3c in PyImport_ExecCodeModuleEx ( name=0xbfbfda83 "test.test_curses", co=0x8a8f3c8, pathname=0xbfbfd177 "/usr/home/asmodai/projects/python/Lib/test/test_curses.pyc") at Python/import.c:680 #0 0x2889840d in PyCurses_getsyx (self=0x0) at /dumpster/home/asmodai/projects/python/Modules/_cursesmodule.c:1770 #1 0x080d06d8 in PyEval_EvalFrameEx (f=0x8f4b95c, throwflag=0) at Python/ceval.c:3635 #2 0x080d1021 in PyEval_EvalFrameEx (f=0x8df8aec, throwflag=0) at Python/ceval.c:3737 #3 0x080d1021 in PyEval_EvalFrameEx (f=0x8daa08c, throwflag=0) at Python/ceval.c:3737 #4 0x080d207a in PyEval_EvalCodeEx (co=0x8d86338, globals=0x9831934, locals=0x9831934, args=0x0, argcount=0, kws=0x0, kwcount=0, defs=0x0, defcount=0, closure=0x0) at Python/ceval.c:2914 #5 0x080d21d7 in PyEval_EvalCode (co=0x8d86338, globals=0x9831934, locals=0x9831934) at Python/ceval.c:495 #6 0x080e5b4c in PyImport_ExecCodeModuleEx ( name=0xbfbfdc63 "test.test_curses", co=0x8d86338, pathname=0xbfbfd357 "/dumpster/home/asmodai/projects/python/Lib/test/test_curses.pyc") at Python/import.c:680 Both have got me stumped a bit and I have not been able to progress far to find out why this happens. I cannot reproduce this on Ubuntu 8.04 at all. And they both use the same ncurses library, 5.6. One idea Thomas Dickey had for the last traceback was: curses.setupterm(fd=sys.__stdout__.fileno()) That would have newscr null. The failure might be from closing stdout, e.g., if it was redirected. Any ideas/hints/tips to finally squash this crashdump? -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B When we blindly adopt a religion, a political system, a literary dogma, we become automatons. We cease to grow... From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 9 17:50:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7A3106564A for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 17:50:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zbeeble@gmail.com) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05758FC1B for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 17:50:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zbeeble@gmail.com) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id d27so1162748tid.3 for ; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:50:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=lXIzGGVI48+hICqspMuq03R8ImpKLt7Ed3Ibxm5D4wM=; b=BJhj49b6OOe7F6h7/d6dcLWUdFrG6grPCwd7ap8W1Ox6Gym4yDAd2xFEdGqqYL5gGG qw8cQsjD4hVEOJfHCIhmN+qrIStcJEZF3xxEasegnuPKwSSESySV3iqbDF+TKGbic5EE 0kJXPzJTN8s+9RSA3eSdeiW54j3Fgj2YVfQgg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=Yq7uqC4Rm3x4A01cnjRz48I8I4mQqutFSf7mZEjVZ8xKwgZ1h2lJb1aJoGtfjkuN2d +OQQCF+HHVXijcX4pG/n7Y1yOERGKdnOPN2BvI4/vSLIJoyS7N7OAYMfLL0pXdWpMyG/ 5dH1oED7lSMmzD+Cpg+KGDrU4WRjEMXWKmMz0= Received: by 10.150.49.1 with SMTP id w1mr12864173ybw.22.1215625817362; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.137.11 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 10:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5f67a8c40807091050k3b6afa02n3c27a14de2466e0c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:50:17 -0400 From: "Zaphod Beeblebrox" To: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=" In-Reply-To: <86zlor88de.fsf@ds4.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5f67a8c40807081521o1f32660ak392672da61e490fd@mail.gmail.com> <86bq172t3t.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8e10486b0807090450n618bab5aj140fc6b4e6b42bb7@mail.gmail.com> <86zlor88de.fsf@ds4.des.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Alexandre Biancalana Subject: Re: Glaring 64 bit omission X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:50:20 -0000 On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > "Alexandre Biancalana" writes: > > "Zaphod Beeblebrox" writes: > > > Secondly, these issues are already being worked on. > > Who is working on that ? > > http://wiki.freebsd.org/NvidiaFeatureRequests > > I wish people would take the time to search the archives before they > drag out the same old thing again, and again, and again. I did mention in my introduction that I was aware of this history (includin= g that web page). I brought this up again because it hadn't seen daylight in quite some time. The Wiki page seems to say that it was updated about a month ago. Without figuring how to pull the wiki's version history, I don'= t see significant change. Of note, the last conversation the wiki references is 8 months old. In particular, none of these activities seem to pop up in the regular FreeBSD Project status reports. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 9 18:19:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CC561065673 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 18:19:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2001:41c8:1:548a::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E05E8FC22 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 18:19:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E94E30011; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 19:19:36 +0100 (BST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on muon.cran.org.uk X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_00,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 Received: from tau (unknown [IPv6:2a01:348:10f:0:219:b9ff:fe54:f04a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 19:19:36 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 19:19:27 +0100 From: Bruce Cran To: "Zaphod Beeblebrox" Message-ID: <20080709191927.164d25a6@tau> In-Reply-To: <5f67a8c40807091050k3b6afa02n3c27a14de2466e0c@mail.gmail.com> References: <5f67a8c40807081521o1f32660ak392672da61e490fd@mail.gmail.com> <86bq172t3t.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8e10486b0807090450n618bab5aj140fc6b4e6b42bb7@mail.gmail.com> <86zlor88de.fsf@ds4.des.no> <5f67a8c40807091050k3b6afa02n3c27a14de2466e0c@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.9; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/0sOy5Yv+Ru=2o2yeE1Y=ZYG"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Cc: Dag-Erling =?UTF-8?B?U23DuHJncmF2?= , Alexandre Biancalana , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Glaring 64 bit omission X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:19:43 -0000 --Sig_/0sOy5Yv+Ru=2o2yeE1Y=ZYG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:50:17 -0400 "Zaphod Beeblebrox" wrote: > I did mention in my introduction that I was aware of this history > (including that web page). I brought this up again because it hadn't > seen daylight in quite some time. The Wiki page seems to say that it > was updated about a month ago. Without figuring how to pull the > wiki's version history, I don't see significant change. Of note, the > last conversation the wiki references is 8 months old. >=20 > In particular, none of these activities seem to pop up in the regular > FreeBSD Project status reports. Click on the "Info" link to see the history. The recent change was just to the markup, not the page content; the last real change was in November 2007. --=20 Bruce Cran --Sig_/0sOy5Yv+Ru=2o2yeE1Y=ZYG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIdQEyn4uvqcJsLfgRAk6AAKCAoRcjL+YJZWa9G9EsVelqGJUqkQCdHMH6 zo3QfICMHPf0ZcbqLG3g+NI= =/0BO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/0sOy5Yv+Ru=2o2yeE1Y=ZYG-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 9 18:32:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A5A11065676 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 18:32:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: from mired.org (five.mired.org [66.92.153.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BEDC8FC1D for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 18:32:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: (qmail 58577 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2008 14:31:57 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO mbook.local) (192.168.195.192) by 0 with SMTP; 9 Jul 2008 14:31:57 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:32:08 -0400 From: Mike Meyer To: "Zaphod Beeblebrox" Message-ID: <20080709143208.4573c6a8@mbook.local> In-Reply-To: <5f67a8c40807091050k3b6afa02n3c27a14de2466e0c@mail.gmail.com> References: <5f67a8c40807081521o1f32660ak392672da61e490fd@mail.gmail.com> <86bq172t3t.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8e10486b0807090450n618bab5aj140fc6b4e6b42bb7@mail.gmail.com> <86zlor88de.fsf@ds4.des.no> <5f67a8c40807091050k3b6afa02n3c27a14de2466e0c@mail.gmail.com> Organization: Meyer Consulting X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.9; i386-apple-darwin9.2.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:41:52 +0000 Cc: Dag-Erling =?UTF-8?B?U23DuHJncmF2?= , Alexandre Biancalana , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Glaring 64 bit omission X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:32:12 -0000 On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:50:17 -0400 "Zaphod Beeblebrox" wrote: > I did mention in my introduction that I was aware of this history (including > that web page). I brought this up again because it hadn't seen daylight in > quite some time. The Wiki page seems to say that it was updated about a > month ago. Without figuring how to pull the wiki's version history, I don't > see significant change. Of note, the last conversation the wiki references > is 8 months old. Um, how do you figure last conversation with wiki references is 8 months old? It got brought up in a converation on -hackers just last month: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2008-June/024956.html And was the starting point for a conversation on -chat last month as well: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2008-June/005579.html > In particular, none of these activities seem to pop up in the regular > FreeBSD Project status reports. None of them are important enough to warrant it. http://www.mired.org/consulting.html Independent Network/Unix/Perforce consultant, email for more information. O< ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 9 18:46:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A7D41065672 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 18:46:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zbeeble@gmail.com) Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7B38FC0C for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 18:46:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zbeeble@gmail.com) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so512318ele.13 for ; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 11:46:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=M24QnCf6q62kIFgvngm1kM130VPoN5MGlmJuMtCjRwQ=; b=Ny0u/GKjHe/M47OTLjmVV8lDakS+pN7qY00zIJ7HiYDvSb0BjZQEr+pcADTf69vLdI jpFDy4rMb5c7ZofTKp2vPle7Lfih0FQ3uB1+U4BDzZm374SWp4MF+f/BtAkSZcEbSVKG jXPvGrVqYBbEmkWvmqzXQpGHd2SZAEMpZNFXE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=KjcXIOzNu6LQtAXej3FJ7JQ65qNkSYObXhLs4BWH6Aei39208X8xAAI3S35bYea5qK dewlgcdnlHxGsGtBcCErkseyVrxhC3vHn0uz6RK7dyk20HLVauVj0TKTTMbR4vTZcqQ2 Q53RXUdE1bXtr3OjtEPUYnONytanQ4mq6Jebs= Received: by 10.151.155.5 with SMTP id h5mr12889011ybo.178.1215629161061; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 11:46:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.137.11 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5f67a8c40807091146s2dd55013l60fcaa3a22df65@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:46:00 -0400 From: "Zaphod Beeblebrox" To: "Mike Meyer" In-Reply-To: <20080709143208.4573c6a8@mbook.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5f67a8c40807081521o1f32660ak392672da61e490fd@mail.gmail.com> <86bq172t3t.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8e10486b0807090450n618bab5aj140fc6b4e6b42bb7@mail.gmail.com> <86zlor88de.fsf@ds4.des.no> <5f67a8c40807091050k3b6afa02n3c27a14de2466e0c@mail.gmail.com> <20080709143208.4573c6a8@mbook.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= , Alexandre Biancalana , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Glaring 64 bit omission X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:46:02 -0000 On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Mike Meyer wrote: > On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:50:17 -0400 "Zaphod Beeblebrox" > wrote: > > I did mention in my introduction that I was aware of this history > (including > > that web page). I brought this up again because it hadn't seen daylight > in > > quite some time. The Wiki page seems to say that it was updated about a > > month ago. Without figuring how to pull the wiki's version history, I > don't > > see significant change. Of note, the last conversation the wiki > references > > is 8 months old. > > Um, how do you figure last conversation with wiki references is 8 > months old? It got brought up in a converation on -hackers just last > month: > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2008-June/024956.html > While I don't follow freebsd-chat with any regularity, My point was that the wiki didn't reverence any conversations newer than 8 months old still stands. That conversation is not referenced by the wiki. It may be an example of someone bringing up the question without doing research, but that is not the case here, either. > In particular, none of these activities seem to pop up in the regular > > FreeBSD Project status reports. > > None of them are important enough to warrant it. On that, you and I differ. Aside from nvidia requesting them, the 5 points all seem very relevant to 64-bit systems in general. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 9 22:06:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C059C1065673 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:06:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fjwcash@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6720F8FC1C for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:06:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fjwcash@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so64358qwb.7 for ; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:06:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=G3VOg3/aJH/6D6V9xDvSq/YuXqLig0tXgvwD19Q67b4=; b=XuDC3NIkvapp856KLHyM6wA7YcN9iqEMTcV8cw+joE/Gx+FCuuBFy7plxDo9RHCK3L uWHaGMC/lO/lgpDMga4biGe5dCm4FnDZwtPp3LqbeBrlkK42H7oZnQY/EIRbPBYZisDD WqGINPh25ktBQkyou7VG5uXMKv40B/dmab3S4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=AgynoLWguQDBL84h9b7CJgZ3VNB4A43PPgLPHI6tEcQKw+bsWQC3/rtOVoHF3pdPMc IuefFIVMJzur9GwW2YhjA7Yd8puGOXz0Y2CiZXsA57ne3rKjtQmBtJ2phzetS8UdAiKI siEDbrjgDI65sQLX6kCnPcnxLntoJBuWmY88s= Received: by 10.151.141.16 with SMTP id t16mr13197872ybn.114.1215641193157; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.154.17 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:06:33 -0700 From: "Freddie Cash" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <487380FA.6080004@wubethiopia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <784966050807021123l267aa20en39eb513c12c90ad2@mail.gmail.com> <20080702235800.H47773@fledge.watson.org> <486C8700.5020100@lobraun.de> <20080703092511.T69986@fledge.watson.org> <486F8C57.9050908@wubethiopia.com> <20080707213625.69bb0bf4@soralx> <487380FA.6080004@wubethiopia.com> Cc: Subject: Re: Re: Sysinstall is still inadequate after all of these years X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:06:34 -0000 On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 8:00 AM, Mike Makonnen wrote: > soralx@cydem.org wrote: >>> Hear, hear! To be honest, this is the only bit about the current >>> sysinstall that I really dislike: the fact that it can be used for >>> post-installation configuration and package installation. This causes >>> no end of trouble for newbies, who seem to view sysinstall as "The One >>> True System Admin Tool" and try to use it for configuring/installing >>> everything. Too many times, on various BSD forums, I've had to walk >>> people through cleaning up /etc/rc.conf and showing them how to >>> correctly install/configure things (using standard FreeBSD tools), >>> since they used sysinstall for everything. >> >> That may be true, but sysinstall did help me do basic, essentical >> configuration of my very first installed system, and a few installs after >> that (until I learned about /etc/rc.conf et al). And I never regarded it >> as The One True Sysadmin Tool, because I did not use Linux distros, thus >> never got used to their ways. It's just that the simple configuration menu >> really helped me to get a useful system running in a few minutes (though menu >> items certainly could make use of more verbose descriptions). And then I could >> play with the working system and learn ways to configure it. >> >> So, IMHO, a basic curses system configuration utility is still needed, and >> should be run after sysinstall or it should tell the user how to run it >> (maybe in motd, or sysinstall itself?). > > Yes, I agree that such a tool is useful, but it does not belong in the > installer. In fact, the BSD Installer framework can be used here also to > separate the implementation details from the user interface. Exactly. There's nothing wrong with having an TUI/GUI for configuring /etc/rc.conf, or ports, or whatever. And there are pointers to the handbook and man pages in the default motd, so one can learn to do it manually via a text editor. All I'm saying is that a generic system configuration tool should not be an integral part of the installer (and all mentions of sysinstall, IMO, should be removed from the default motd). They are separate tasks. -- Freddie Cash fjwcash@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 10 01:06:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94D01065679 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:06:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rick@kiwi-computer.com) Received: from kiwi-computer.com (keira.kiwi-computer.com [63.224.10.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2D7908FC18 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:06:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rick@kiwi-computer.com) Received: (qmail 71407 invoked by uid 2001); 10 Jul 2008 01:06:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 20:06:49 -0500 From: "Rick C. Petty" To: Zaphod Beeblebrox Message-ID: <20080710010649.GA71257@keira.kiwi-computer.com> References: <5f67a8c40807081521o1f32660ak392672da61e490fd@mail.gmail.com> <86bq172t3t.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8e10486b0807090450n618bab5aj140fc6b4e6b42bb7@mail.gmail.com> <86zlor88de.fsf@ds4.des.no> <5f67a8c40807091050k3b6afa02n3c27a14de2466e0c@mail.gmail.com> <20080709143208.4573c6a8@mbook.local> <5f67a8c40807091146s2dd55013l60fcaa3a22df65@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5f67a8c40807091146s2dd55013l60fcaa3a22df65@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Glaring 64 bit omission X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rick-freebsd@kiwi-computer.com List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:06:50 -0000 On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 02:46:00PM -0400, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: > > While I don't follow freebsd-chat with any regularity, My point was that the > wiki didn't reverence any conversations newer than 8 months old still > stands. That conversation is not referenced by the wiki. It may be an > example of someone bringing up the question without doing research, but that > is not the case here, either. So go learn how to use a wiki, request a wiki.freebsd account, and make a contribution by fixing the wiki. That would be something constructive to do. Complaining on these lists, without using your real name, just makes people believe that you are a troll. It is obviously not constructive since the problems are known and (supposedly) are being worked on. -- Rick C. Petty From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 10 05:13:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD08A106564A; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:13:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mtm@wubethiopia.com) Received: from dire.wubethiopia.com (j071.v.rootbsd.net [208.79.82.223]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96B2A8FC13; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:13:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mtm@wubethiopia.com) Received: from rogue.mike.lan (unknown [213.55.68.187]) by dire.wubethiopia.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 14BB94FD9551; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:13:46 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <48759BD8.20404@wubethiopia.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:19:20 +0300 From: Mike Makonnen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080323) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marcel Moolenaar References: <784966050807021123l267aa20en39eb513c12c90ad2@mail.gmail.com> <20080702235800.H47773@fledge.watson.org> <486C8700.5020100@lobraun.de> <20080703092511.T69986@fledge.watson.org> <486F8C57.9050908@wubethiopia.com> <48737F79.6070401@wubethiopia.com> <20080708190407.GA68713@rink.nu> <47A12EFB-2433-4E60-BE15-48E1BDD22238@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <47A12EFB-2433-4E60-BE15-48E1BDD22238@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Rink Springer , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sysinstall is still inadequate after all of these years X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:13:57 -0000 Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > On Jul 8, 2008, at 12:04 PM, Rink Springer wrote: > >> On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 05:53:45PM +0300, Mike Makonnen wrote: >>> Freddie Cash wrote: >>>> >>>> The tricky part will be getting the disk slicing, slice partitioning, >>>> and filesystem formatting to work reliably, with all the power of >>>> FreeBSD's GEOM modules, and ZFS. >>>> >>> >>> Actually, this is probably the easiest part (at least for UFS). The >>> libdisk(3) library abstracts most of it out of the installer. >> >> ...except that libdisk(3) was supposed to be a temporary hack. I'd >> really >> suggest that something cleaner is to be written; libdisk(3) really is >> not the way to go. Have a look at the code and see for yourself. > > Yes, libdisk is bad. GEOM_PART has been designed > for use by installers. It can be interfaced > faily easily. See gpart(8) for example. Is there documentation for the geom_part API somewhere (I couldn't find any) or do I have to look at gpart(8) to figure out how to use it? Is it ok to just use gpart(8) instead of using the geom_part API? Cheers. -- Mike Makonnen | GPG-KEY: http://people.freebsd.org/~mtm/mtm.asc mtm @ FreeBSD.Org | AC7B 5672 2D11 F4D0 EBF8 5279 5359 2B82 7CD4 1F55 FreeBSD | http://www.freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 10 12:47:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 801401065699 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:47:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Matthias.Apitz@oclc.org) Received: from mail.pica.nl (mail.pica.nl [192.87.44.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 210488FC28 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:47:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Matthias.Apitz@oclc.org) Received: from rebelion.Sisis.de ([193.31.10.34]) by mail.pica.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:47:03 +0200 Received: (from guru@localhost) by rebelion.Sisis.de (8.14.2/8.13.8/Submit) id m6ACl3Hl010971 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:47:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from matthias.apitz@oclc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: rebelion.Sisis.de: guru set sender to matthias.apitz@oclc.org using -f Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:46:58 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080710124658.GA10730@rebelion.Sisis.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE (i386) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2008 12:47:04.0017 (UTC) FILETIME=[0DD0AC10:01C8E28B] Subject: error 1 lba 752976 while booting from USB key to install X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:47:06 -0000 Hello, I've some server (a 2 years old HP NAT 1000s storage system) and I want to drop the installed W2k system and re-install it with FreeBSD 7.0R and later use it as a central backup-system with Bacula. The problem is that this server has no CD or DVD device, but can (theoretically) boot from external USB CD/DVD (which I don't have either); so I cam up with the idea to boot from that USB key I have used to install 7.0-REL on that eeePC, i.e. the USB key works fine in any laptop; on the HP NAT 1000s storage system it says: FreBSD/i386 Default: 0:ad(0,a)/boot/kernel/kernel boot: error 1 lba 752976 No /boot/kernel/kernel Any idea about why it does not work? Thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ «...una sola vez, que es cuanto basta si se trata de verdades definitivas.» «...only once, which is enough if it has todo with definite truth.» José Saramago, Historia del Cerca de Lisboa From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 10 13:01:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C425106564A for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:01:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (unknown [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF7038FC0C for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:01:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6AD1sIP031952; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:01:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m6AD1sCj031951; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:01:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:01:54 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200807101301.m6AD1sCj031951@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Matthias Apitz In-Reply-To: <20080710124658.GA10730@rebelion.Sisis.de> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-hackers User-Agent: tin/1.8.3-20070201 ("Scotasay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.2-STABLE-20070808 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:01:55 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Subject: Re: error 1 lba 752976 while booting from USB key to install X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Matthias Apitz List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:01:57 -0000 Matthias Apitz wrote: > so I cam up with the idea to boot from that USB key I have used to > install 7.0-REL on that eeePC, i.e. the USB key works fine in any > laptop; on the HP NAT 1000s storage system it says: > > FreBSD/i386 > Default: 0:ad(0,a)/boot/kernel/kernel Hm. Strange. The boot0 code should load /boot/loader, not the kernel. (While it is possible to load the kernel directly under certain conditions, AFAIK, it is better to go the "official" way and let the bootloader do its job.) Have you modified the boot sequence on that USB stick in a special way? Please make sure that it contains the proper infrastructure, i.e. a /boot directory with the loader, a kernel subdirectory etc. If it still fails, I suggest you try a more recent version of FreeBSD. I don't know if it's related to your problem, but there has been a significant change in the boot loader code (so-called BTX) that fixes USB-booting on certain machines. You can either csup RELENG_7 and build a fresh /boot directory, or fetch it from the June snapshot. Then replace /boot/loader on your USB stick with the new one, and don't forget to re-install the bootblocks, too (bsdlabel -B). Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd $ dd if=/dev/urandom of=test.pl count=1 $ file test.pl test.pl: perl script text executable From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 10 13:17:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64BF8106567A for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:17:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Matthias.Apitz@oclc.org) Received: from mail.pica.nl (mail.pica.nl [192.87.44.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03E798FC26 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:17:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Matthias.Apitz@oclc.org) Received: from rebelion.Sisis.de ([193.31.10.34]) by mail.pica.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:17:21 +0200 Received: (from guru@localhost) by rebelion.Sisis.de (8.14.2/8.13.8/Submit) id m6ADHLGZ011741 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:17:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from matthias.apitz@oclc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: rebelion.Sisis.de: guru set sender to matthias.apitz@oclc.org using -f Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:17:16 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080710131716.GA11658@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20080710124658.GA10730@rebelion.Sisis.de> <200807101301.m6AD1sCj031951@lurza.secnetix.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <200807101301.m6AD1sCj031951@lurza.secnetix.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE (i386) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2008 13:17:21.0880 (UTC) FILETIME=[49588D80:01C8E28F] Subject: Re: error 1 lba 752976 while booting from USB key to install X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:17:23 -0000 El día Thursday, July 10, 2008 a las 03:01:54PM +0200, Oliver Fromme escribió: > Matthias Apitz wrote: > > so I cam up with the idea to boot from that USB key I have used to > > install 7.0-REL on that eeePC, i.e. the USB key works fine in any > > laptop; on the HP NAT 1000s storage system it says: > > > > FreBSD/i386 > > Default: 0:ad(0,a)/boot/kernel/kernel > > Hm. Strange. The boot0 code should load /boot/loader, > not the kernel. (While it is possible to load the kernel > directly under certain conditions, AFAIK, it is better > to go the "official" way and let the bootloader do its > job.) > > Have you modified the boot sequence on that USB stick in > a special way? Please make sure that it contains the > proper infrastructure, i.e. a /boot directory with the > loader, a kernel subdirectory etc. I've created the USB key like this (more or less) and did not specified or changed anything in the boot-sequence: # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/da0 bs=1m # fdisk -BI /dev/da0 # bsdlabel -wB /dev/da0s1 # export EDITOR=/mnt2/usr/bin/vi # bsdlabel -e /dev/da0s1 # newfs -m 0 -o space /dev/da0s1a # mount /dev/da0s1a /mnt # export DESTDIR=/mnt # cd /a/cdrom/7.0-RELEASE # for i in base manpages catpages do cd $i; echo y|./install.sh; cd ..; done # rmdir /mnt/boot/kernel # cd /a/cdrom/7.0-RELEASE kernels; # cat generic.??|tar --unlink -xpzf - -C /mnt/boot # cd /mnt/boot && mv GENERIC kernel # echo "/dev/da0s1a / ufs rw,noatime 1 1" >/mnt/etc/fstab # cat </mnt/etc/rc.conf.local #!/bin/sh tmpmfs="YES" tmpsize="128m" varmfs="YES" varsize="128m" populate_var="YES" hostname="eeePC" keyrate="fast" keymap="german.iso" EOFRCCONF # chmod 0755 /mnt/etc/rc.conf.local # chroot /mnt /usr/bin/passwd root and again: the USB key works fine in the eeePC 900 and other laptops I have; here is what is in /mnt/boot: rebelion# ls -l /mnt/boot /mnt/boot/kernel/kernel -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 9051823 29 jun 16:52 /mnt/boot/kernel/kernel /mnt/boot: total 710 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 7636 24 feb 18:52 beastie.4th -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 8192 24 feb 18:52 boot -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 512 24 feb 18:52 boot0 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 512 24 feb 18:52 boot0sio -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 512 24 feb 18:52 boot1 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 7680 24 feb 18:52 boot2 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 1201 24 feb 18:52 cdboot drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 24 feb 18:52 defaults -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 1739 24 feb 18:53 device.hints drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 24 feb 18:49 firmware -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 2249 24 feb 18:52 frames.4th drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 26624 29 jun 17:23 kernel drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 25600 24 feb 21:16 kernel.orig -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 253952 24 feb 18:52 loader -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 7545 24 feb 18:52 loader.4th -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 116 29 jun 16:46 loader.conf -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 15219 24 feb 18:52 loader.help -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 385 24 feb 18:52 loader.rc -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 512 24 feb 18:52 mbr drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 24 feb 18:49 modules -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 256000 24 feb 18:52 pxeboot -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 692 24 feb 18:52 screen.4th -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 36435 24 feb 18:52 support.4th drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 24 feb 18:49 zfs > If it still fails, I suggest you try a more recent > version of FreeBSD. I don't know if it's related to > your problem, but there has been a significant change > in the boot loader code (so-called BTX) that fixes > USB-booting on certain machines. You can either csup > RELENG_7 and build a fresh /boot directory, or fetch > it from the June snapshot. Then replace /boot/loader > on your USB stick with the new one, and don't forget > to re-install the bootblocks, too (bsdlabel -B). ok; matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ «...una sola vez, que es cuanto basta si se trata de verdades definitivas.» «...only once, which is enough if it has todo with definite truth.» José Saramago, Historia del Cerca de Lisboa From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 10 13:27:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89502106567D for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:27:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from v.werth@bally-wulff.de) Received: from mail2.bally-wulff-berlin.de (mail2.bally-wulff-berlin.de [212.144.118.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AEC88FC12 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:27:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from v.werth@bally-wulff.de) Received: from ex1.bally-wulff.de (ex1.bally.de [192.9.204.18]) by mail2.bally-wulff-berlin.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 255949906A; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:07:20 +0200 (CEST) Thread-Index: AcjijeLJj3iVaXYVQIuvvqvlvfhIGw== Thread-Topic: error 1 lba 752976 while booting from USB key to install Received: from pc88.bally.de ([192.9.205.88]) by ex1.bally-wulff.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:07:20 +0200 From: "Werth, Volker" To: "Matthias Apitz" Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:07:19 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 References: <20080710124658.GA10730@rebelion.Sisis.de> In-Reply-To: <20080710124658.GA10730@rebelion.Sisis.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.2826 Importance: normal Priority: normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <200807101507.20016.v.werth@bally-wulff.de> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2008 13:07:20.0272 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2C27500:01C8E28D] Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: error 1 lba 752976 while booting from USB key to install X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:27:40 -0000 Volker Werth schrieb am 10.07.2008 15:07 _____________________________________________________________________ Am Donnerstag, 10. Juli 2008 14:46 schrieb Matthias Apitz: > Hello, > > I've some server (a 2 years old HP NAT 1000s storage system) and > I want to drop the installed W2k system and re-install it with > FreeBSD 7.0R and later use it as a central backup-system with > Bacula. > > The problem is that this server has no CD or DVD device, but can > (theoretically) boot from external USB CD/DVD (which I don't have > either); > > so I cam up with the idea to boot from that USB key I have used to > install 7.0-REL on that eeePC, i.e. the USB key works fine in any > laptop; on the HP NAT 1000s storage system it says: > > FreBSD/i386 > Default: 0:ad(0,a)/boot/kernel/kernel > boot: error 1 lba 752976 Try playing with boot0cfg's option (try with enabling/disabling packet=20 access). --=20 Volker Werth system engineering Bally Wulff Entertainment GmbH Maybachufer 48-51 12045 Berlin, Germany ph: +49(30)62002-109 Bally Wulff Entertainment GmbH, Maybachufer 48-51, 12045 Berlin, = Postanschrift: Postfach 44 01 57, 12001 Berlin Tel.: 030-620 02-0 FAX: = 030-620 02-200, Gesch=E4ftsf=FChrer: Sascha Blodau, Wolfram J. 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Weder Bally Wulff Entertainment GmbH noch der Absender (Volker Werth) =FCbernehmen die Haftung f=FCr Viren; es obliegt Ihrer Verantwortung, die E-Mail und deren 0 Anh=E4nge auf Viren zu pr=FCfen. 0 Anh=E4nge: _____________________________________________________________________ Versand am 10.07.2008 15:07 von Werth Volker From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 10 13:31:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6FB01065682 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:31:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: from raven.bwct.de (raven.bwct.de [85.159.14.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 343998FC19 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:31:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de ([10.1.1.7]) by raven.bwct.de (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id m6ADVp9Q040609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:31:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: from cicely7.cicely.de (cicely7.cicely.de [10.1.1.9]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6ADVhij085316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:31:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: from cicely7.cicely.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cicely7.cicely.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6ADVhvw058708; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:31:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely7.cicely.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m6ADVgHd058707; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:31:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:31:42 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Matthias Apitz Message-ID: <20080710133141.GI53829@cicely7.cicely.de> References: <20080710124658.GA10730@rebelion.Sisis.de> <200807101301.m6AD1sCj031951@lurza.secnetix.de> <20080710131716.GA11658@rebelion.Sisis.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20080710131716.GA11658@rebelion.Sisis.de> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely7.cicely.de 7.0-STABLE i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-1.8, AWL=0.142, BAYES_00=-2.599 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on spamd.cicely.de Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: error 1 lba 752976 while booting from USB key to install X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:31:54 -0000 On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 03:17:16PM +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día Thursday, July 10, 2008 a las 03:01:54PM +0200, Oliver Fromme escribió: > > > Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > so I cam up with the idea to boot from that USB key I have used to > > > install 7.0-REL on that eeePC, i.e. the USB key works fine in any > > > laptop; on the HP NAT 1000s storage system it says: > > > > > > FreBSD/i386 > > > Default: 0:ad(0,a)/boot/kernel/kernel > > > > Hm. Strange. The boot0 code should load /boot/loader, > > not the kernel. (While it is possible to load the kernel > > directly under certain conditions, AFAIK, it is better > > to go the "official" way and let the bootloader do its > > job.) > > > > Have you modified the boot sequence on that USB stick in > > a special way? Please make sure that it contains the > > proper infrastructure, i.e. a /boot directory with the > > loader, a kernel subdirectory etc. > > > and again: the USB key works fine in the eeePC 900 and other laptops I > have; If the device works with another system then this is purely a BIOS/USB-device compatibility problem. FreeBSD bootcode has to use the BIOS to read disk blocks, since the kernel isn't running yet. -- B.Walter http://www.bwct.de Modbus/TCP Ethernet I/O Baugruppen, ARM basierte FreeBSD Rechner uvm. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 10 14:12:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB43C1065687 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:12:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (unknown [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C1A98FC20 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:12:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6AEC9RD035244; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:12:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m6AEC8GP035243; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:12:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:12:08 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200807101412.m6AEC8GP035243@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Matthias Apitz In-Reply-To: <20080710131716.GA11658@rebelion.Sisis.de> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-hackers User-Agent: tin/1.8.3-20070201 ("Scotasay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.2-STABLE-20070808 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:12:10 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Subject: Re: error 1 lba 752976 while booting from USB key to install X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Matthias Apitz List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:12:11 -0000 Matthias Apitz wrote: > I've created the USB key like this (more or less) and did not specified > or changed anything in the boot-sequence: > [...] > and again: the USB key works fine in the eeePC 900 and other laptops I > have; > > here is what is in /mnt/boot: > [...] OK, that looks good. So it's probably the well-known BIOS access problem that was patched in FreeBSD's BTX code after 7.0-RELEASE. I suggest you try RELENG_7 or the June snapshot, as explained in my previous mail. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd "Life is short (You need Python)" -- Bruce Eckel, ANSI C++ Comitee member, author of "Thinking in C++" and "Thinking in Java" From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 10 15:07:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51640106564A for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:07:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.hackers@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from snoogles.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F71D8FC0C for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:07:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.hackers@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by snoogles.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 347C01CD18; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:52:33 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Matthias Apitz Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:52:31 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <20080710124658.GA10730@rebelion.Sisis.de> In-Reply-To: <20080710124658.GA10730@rebelion.Sisis.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200807101652.32039.fbsd.hackers@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: Subject: Re: error 1 lba 752976 while booting from USB key to install X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:07:40 -0000 On Thursday 10 July 2008 14:46:58 Matthias Apitz wrote: > Hello, > > I've some server (a 2 years old HP NAT 1000s storage system) and > I want to drop the installed W2k system and re-install it with > FreeBSD 7.0R and later use it as a central backup-system with > Bacula. > > The problem is that this server has no CD or DVD device, but can > (theoretically) boot from external USB CD/DVD (which I don't have > either); > > so I cam up with the idea to boot from that USB key I have used to > install 7.0-REL on that eeePC, i.e. the USB key works fine in any > laptop; on the HP NAT 1000s storage system it says: > > FreBSD/i386 > Default: 0:ad(0,a)/boot/kernel/kernel > boot: error 1 lba 752976 > No /boot/kernel/kernel Let me ask a stupid question: why is it trying to access an ATA/ATAPI disk, not an USB (scsi da(4)) disk. Can you boot via: 0:da(0,a)/boot/kernel/kernel Or variants of those, see boot(8) for the syntax explanation. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 10 15:31:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE90F106566B for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:31:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: from mx01.sc1.parodius.com (mx01.sc1.parodius.com [72.20.106.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84E48FC1D for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:31:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: by mx01.sc1.parodius.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7B5C11CC081; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:31:18 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Mel Message-ID: <20080710153118.GA75083@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: <20080710124658.GA10730@rebelion.Sisis.de> <200807101652.32039.fbsd.hackers@rachie.is-a-geek.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200807101652.32039.fbsd.hackers@rachie.is-a-geek.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Matthias Apitz Subject: Re: error 1 lba 752976 while booting from USB key to install X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:31:18 -0000 On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 04:52:31PM +0200, Mel wrote: > On Thursday 10 July 2008 14:46:58 Matthias Apitz wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I've some server (a 2 years old HP NAT 1000s storage system) and > > I want to drop the installed W2k system and re-install it with > > FreeBSD 7.0R and later use it as a central backup-system with > > Bacula. > > > > The problem is that this server has no CD or DVD device, but can > > (theoretically) boot from external USB CD/DVD (which I don't have > > either); > > > > so I cam up with the idea to boot from that USB key I have used to > > install 7.0-REL on that eeePC, i.e. the USB key works fine in any > > laptop; on the HP NAT 1000s storage system it says: > > > > FreBSD/i386 > > Default: 0:ad(0,a)/boot/kernel/kernel > > boot: error 1 lba 752976 > > No /boot/kernel/kernel > > Let me ask a stupid question: why is it trying to access an ATA/ATAPI disk, > not an USB (scsi da(4)) disk. Can you boot via: > 0:da(0,a)/boot/kernel/kernel > > Or variants of those, see boot(8) for the syntax explanation. Because the system BIOS is very likely using some form of ATA emulation to make the USB device available for booting. Many BIOSes let you pick what kind of emulation mode to use, though -- and there are many. USB-FDD, USB-HDD, USB-ZIP, USB-CDROM, USB-KEY, USB-LS120, etc... They're all handled in different ways. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 10 15:45:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E583C1065671 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:45:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from flat.berklix.org (flat.berklix.org [83.236.223.115]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71E158FC16 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:45:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A3BDC.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.59.220]) (authenticated bits=0) by flat.berklix.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6AFTAbM034114 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:29:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6AFT3vw017624 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:29:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6AFSwIT052044 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:29:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <200807101529.m6AFSwIT052044@fire.js.berklix.net> To: hackers@freebsd.org From: "Julian Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Linux Unix Consultancy, Munich Germany. User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://berklix.com/~jhs/cv/ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:28:58 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.org Cc: Subject: GPG encryption of binary sample requested. X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:45:58 -0000 Hi hackers@freebsd.org Could a few people please post to list saying they will private mail me (off list) some encrypted binary junk please ? If you have a Microsoft PC (or non BSD) to mail binary junk from, so much the better, but some BSD too would help. Examples: dd if=/dev/random of=junk count=20000 /boot/kernel/kernel Please also mail output of md5 junk # or kernel I'd like to prove my FreeBSD can receive large encrypted binary from MS, as: I have an MS sender who can't mail me large encrypted binaries, I get gpg: fatal: zlib inflate problem: invalid code lengths set secmem usage: 2048/4000 bytes in 4/9 blocks of pool 5120/32768 I'm receiving Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I suspect it's not his Microsoft as such failing to send, but likely his MS mailer &/or corporate defaults or gateway failing to ascii armour & encrypt in right order. I send large base64 encrypted binaries OK using exmh & gpg. I append my GPG public key, as a MIME enclosure, to make it easy to click & save, (but guessing the freebsd.org mailman will chop that), indented for edit below, & also here http://www.berklix.org/~jhs/txt/pgp.html Thanks for any help ! Julian S. 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HTML & Base64 text are spam. www.asciiribbon.org From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 10 17:08:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 690031065674; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:08:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xcllnt@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout011.mac.com (asmtp011.mac.com [17.148.16.86]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59D908FC27; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:08:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xcllnt@mac.com) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Received: from [192.168.1.102] (209-128-86-226.BAYAREA.NET [209.128.86.226]) by asmtp011.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-6.03 (built Mar 14 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0K3R006Q5YTZ3Z70@asmtp011.mac.com>; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:20:24 -0700 (PDT) Sender: xcllnt@mac.com Message-id: From: Marcel Moolenaar To: Mike Makonnen In-reply-to: <48759BD8.20404@wubethiopia.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:20:23 -0700 References: <784966050807021123l267aa20en39eb513c12c90ad2@mail.gmail.com> <20080702235800.H47773@fledge.watson.org> <486C8700.5020100@lobraun.de> <20080703092511.T69986@fledge.watson.org> <486F8C57.9050908@wubethiopia.com> <48737F79.6070401@wubethiopia.com> <20080708190407.GA68713@rink.nu> <47A12EFB-2433-4E60-BE15-48E1BDD22238@mac.com> <48759BD8.20404@wubethiopia.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Rink Springer , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sysinstall is still inadequate after all of these years X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:08:52 -0000 On Jul 9, 2008, at 10:19 PM, Mike Makonnen wrote: >> Yes, libdisk is bad. GEOM_PART has been designed >> for use by installers. It can be interfaced >> faily easily. See gpart(8) for example. > > Is there documentation for the geom_part API somewhere (I couldn't > find any) > or do I have to look at gpart(8) to figure out how to use it? I haven't written any documentation yet, so gpart(8) is probably the best place to start. > Is it ok to > just use gpart(8) instead of using the geom_part API? Using gpart(8) works just fine, except that you don't have access to all the information that's in the XML. Things like geometry come to mind. But of course, you can always read the XML, use gpart(8) to make a change and read the XML again. Having that, it's only a tiny step to use the gctl interface directly. FYI, -- Marcel Moolenaar xcllnt@mac.com From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 10 23:46:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EAB71065682 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:46:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from MTaylor@bytecraft.com.au) Received: from bcmelmx.bytecraft.au.com (bcmelmx.bytecraft.au.com [203.39.118.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59EF98FC0C for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:46:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from MTaylor@bytecraft.com.au) Received: from svmailmarshal.bytecraft.internal ([10.0.0.3]) by bcmelmx.bytecraft.au.com (8.13.8/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6ANjen0045366; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:45:40 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from MTaylor@bytecraft.com.au) Received: from svmailmel.bytecraft.internal (Not Verified[10.0.0.24]) by svmailmarshal.bytecraft.internal with MailMarshal (v6, 4, 1, 5038) id ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:45:40 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:45:39 +1000 Message-ID: <04E232FDCD9FBE43857F7066CAD3C0F15B82E7@svmailmel.bytecraft.internal> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: massive interrupt storm Thread-Index: AcjgzWHn/AJAIZuGTOyOFS4vP2B/aACGSYOQ From: "Murray Taylor" To: "Jeremy Chadwick" Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, Sergey Babkin Subject: RE: massive interrupt storm X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:46:03 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: Jeremy Chadwick [mailto:koitsu@FreeBSD.org]=20 Sent: Tuesday, 8 July 2008 5:37 PM To: Murray Taylor Cc: Sergey Babkin; freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: massive interrupt storm On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 05:21:34PM +1000, Murray Taylor wrote: > We have variously shutdown all USB in the bios, pulled the=20 > Raid daughter board, and still cant solve this storm. Have you tried disabling MSI and MSI-X in FreeBSD to see if it makes a difference? Set hw.pci.enable_msi=3D"0" and hw.pci.enable_msix=3D"0" in /boot/loader.conf and reboot. --=20 | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | Nope, :( Interrupt usage is still around the 89-95% :(=20 NB sysctl -a | grep msi returns nothing, and attempting to set the values directly returns 'unknown OID' this is on 6.2 GENERIC --------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted in this e-mail is for the exclusive use of the intended addressee and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, re-transmission, dissemination or other use of it, or the taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons and/or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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No warranties are given and no liability is accepted for any loss or damage caused by such matters. --------------------------------------------------------------- ### This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses by Bytecraft ### From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 11 12:57:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC771065670 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:57:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@cs.huji.ac.il) Received: from cs1.cs.huji.ac.il (cs1.cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 487D98FC17 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:57:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@cs.huji.ac.il) Received: from pampa.cs.huji.ac.il ([132.65.80.32]) by cs1.cs.huji.ac.il with esmtp id 1KHIBI-000C4N-Kb for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:57:00 +0300 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.2 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:57:00 +0300 From: Danny Braniss Message-ID: Cc: Subject: AuthenticAMD, cpufreq and SunFire X2200 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:57:02 -0000 Hi, I'm trying to find out why there is no frequency info. ie: sunfire> sysctl dev.cpu.0 dev.cpu.0.%desc: ACPI CPU dev.cpu.0.%driver: cpu dev.cpu.0.%location: handle=\_PR_.P001 dev.cpu.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=none _UID=0 dev.cpu.0.%parent: acpi0 dev.cpu.0.cx_supported: C1/0 dev.cpu.0.cx_lowest: C1 dev.cpu.0.cx_usage: 100.00% so any help/insight is most welcome. BTW, its 7.0-stable danny From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 11 13:17:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57EEA1065677 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:17:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.hackers@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from snoogles.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42AEC8FC16 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:17:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.hackers@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by snoogles.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C891CD97 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 05:17:55 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:17:54 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200807111517.54399.fbsd.hackers@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Subject: Kernel API docs ('make doxygen') X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:17:56 -0000 Hi, I was wondering if this project is considered obsolete, finished or work in progress. If it's the latter, I'm happy to do the legwork, like set up proper stubs for each function and structure that people who really know how they work can adjust. There's a lot already in there with normal comments, that can become documentation by simply adding an extra asterisk. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 11 14:37:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93C6106566B for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:37:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: from mx01.sc1.parodius.com (mx01.sc1.parodius.com [72.20.106.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCBEF8FC18 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:37:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: by mx01.sc1.parodius.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2C7D41CC09A; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:37:32 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Danny Braniss Message-ID: <20080711143732.GA50740@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: AuthenticAMD, cpufreq and SunFire X2200 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:37:32 -0000 On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 03:57:00PM +0300, Danny Braniss wrote: > Hi, > I'm trying to find out why there is no frequency info. > ie: > sunfire> sysctl dev.cpu.0 > dev.cpu.0.%desc: ACPI CPU > dev.cpu.0.%driver: cpu > dev.cpu.0.%location: handle=\_PR_.P001 > dev.cpu.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=none _UID=0 > dev.cpu.0.%parent: acpi0 > dev.cpu.0.cx_supported: C1/0 > dev.cpu.0.cx_lowest: C1 > dev.cpu.0.cx_usage: 100.00% > > so any help/insight is most welcome. > > BTW, its 7.0-stable Is the cpufreq device in your kernel config? Do the SunFire X2200's provide any sort of frequency data in their ACPI tables? Are there BIOS settings which are relevant to this board enabling Cool'n'Quiet or anything else of that nature (thus inducing the use of powernow(4))? -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 11 16:08:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F7B71065675 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:08:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from flat.berklix.org (flat.berklix.org [83.236.223.115]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB6BA8FC1B for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:08:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A7DC3.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.125.195]) (authenticated bits=0) by flat.berklix.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6BG8hLs061875; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:08:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6BG8WhV026436; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:08:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6BG8rkg002408; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:08:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <200807111608.m6BG8rkg002408@fire.js.berklix.net> to: hackers@freebsd.org From: "Julian Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://berklix.com Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:08:53 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.org Cc: Ivan Voras Subject: Re: GPG encryption of binary sample requested. X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:08:47 -0000 Summary: A problem in zlib is confirmed here (for mail gpg decryption), do others see this too or have comment please ? Re my: > Could a few people please post to list saying they will private > mail me (off list) some encrypted binary junk please ? If you have > a Microsoft PC (or non BSD) to mail binary junk from, so much the > better, but some BSD too would help. 3 Samples: Ivan Voras sent extract below. > User-agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080505) ..... > This is an OpenPGP/MIME encrypted message (RFC 2440 and 3156) > --------------enigB5EAC3335274D5D400B6D1CA > Content-Type: application/pgp-encrypted > Content-Description: PGP/MIME version identification > > Version: 1 > > --------------enigB5EAC3335274D5D400B6D1CA > Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="encrypted.asc" > Content-Description: OpenPGP encrypted message > Content-Disposition: inline; filename="encrypted.asc" > > -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > hQIOA/uC25joLDZ6EAf+N4k9AImLAcSuBjG5rmfyc23WMjQum7vQ3LhaCI3lRfrH 221903 lines deleted > tY1rdGkrZ0YZ5ECQHSkBvroUNCjbbmqngnE39Do7cxtGJRMimlZfGf/xporskUkI > eO8ncINtD8NGOqFilyZv > =MTbn > -----END PGP MESSAGE----- > > --------------enigB5EAC3335274D5D400B6D1CA-- Thanks Ivan ! My EXMH-2.7.2 on FreeBSD-6.2 amd64 reported: encrypted with ELG-E key, ID 149FDD60 encrypted with 2048-bit ELG-E key, ID E82C367A, created 2008-06-04 "Julian H. Stacey (20080604103910) " fatal: zlib inflate problem: invalid distance code secmem usage: 2784/4128 bytes in 6/10 blocks of pool 6112/32768 Gary J mailed me from FreeBSD (current I guess) X-mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.0) & EXMH reported encrypted with 2048-bit ELG-E key, ID F61A79A1, created 2008-06-03 "Gary Jennejohn (Lee) " encrypted with 2048-bit ELG-E key, ID E82C367A, created 2008-06-04 "Julian H. Stacey (20080604103910) " [don't know]: invalid packet (ctb=51) [don't know]: invalid packet (ctb=41) WARNING: encrypted message has been manipulated! [don't know]: invalid packet (ctb=41) no valid OpenPGP data found. A Microsoft user sent me a gpg encoded MIME enclosure I clicked to save that then reported: file file.asc PGP armored data message gpg -d -o xx file.asc You need a passphrase to unlock the secret key for user: "Julian H. Stacey (20080604103910) " 2048-bit ELG-E key, ID E82C367A, created 2008-06-04 (main key ID F986DFE1) gpg: encrypted with 2048-bit ELG-E key, ID E82C367A, created 2008-06-04 "Julian H. Stacey (20080604103910) " gpg: fatal: zlib inflate problem: invalid distance code secmem usage: 2048/3712 bytes in 4/8 blocks of pool 4832/32768 I ran: cd /usr/src ; find . -name \*zlib\* | xargs touch ; make all install exited & restarted exmh & retyped passphrase, & problem persists. I tried running EXMH on 7.0 686 ( very slow, problems with NFS/AMD (or maybe some gbde linked ~/.* initialisers ) & still a problem with zlib. I would try claws-mail, but a problem with gpg-agent (maybe local net related?) I guess I'll try thunderbird. Any comments/ ideas very welcome. Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSDUnixLinux C Prog Admin SysEng Consult Munich www.berklix.com Mail plain ASCII text. HTML & Base64 text are spam. www.asciiribbon.org From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 11 19:38:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B93E1065675 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:38:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: from mx01.sc1.parodius.com (mx01.sc1.parodius.com [72.20.106.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CEFB8FC1E for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:38:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: by mx01.sc1.parodius.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3FB741CC096; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:38:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:38:15 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Danny Braniss Message-ID: <20080711193815.GA63636@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, nate@root.org Subject: Re: AuthenticAMD, cpufreq and SunFire X2200 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:38:15 -0000 On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 09:40:11PM +0300, Danny Braniss wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 03:57:00PM +0300, Danny Braniss wrote: > > > Hi, > > > I'm trying to find out why there is no frequency info. > > > ie: > > > sunfire> sysctl dev.cpu.0 > > > dev.cpu.0.%desc: ACPI CPU > > > dev.cpu.0.%driver: cpu > > > dev.cpu.0.%location: handle=\_PR_.P001 > > > dev.cpu.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=none _UID=0 > > > dev.cpu.0.%parent: acpi0 > > > dev.cpu.0.cx_supported: C1/0 > > > dev.cpu.0.cx_lowest: C1 > > > dev.cpu.0.cx_usage: 100.00% > > > > > > so any help/insight is most welcome. > > > > > > BTW, its 7.0-stable > > > > Is the cpufreq device in your kernel config? Do the SunFire X2200's > > provide any sort of frequency data in their ACPI tables? Are there BIOS > > settings which are relevant to this board enabling Cool'n'Quiet or > > anything else of that nature (thus inducing the use of powernow(4))? > > > device is configured: > config -x /boot/kernel/kernel | grep -a cpufreq > device cpufreq > the BIOS has powernow enabled (or something similar). > the kernel prints: > ... > powernow0: on cpu0 > powernow0: STATUS: 0x3106120806120212 > powernow0: STATUS: maxfid: 0x12 > powernow0: STATUS: maxvid: 0x06 > ... > the same is repeated for cpu 1,2,3,4,5,6 & 7 - yes it's a dual quad. > > which seem to indicate that it didn't like the ACPI data it got - this by > comparing with other amd's that do report correctly. > > as to the question '...any sort of frequency data in their ACPI tables' > I tried to 'read' the ACPI data, but didn't understand the language :-( First and foremost, please don't remove the mailing list from the CC line; others need to know the technical details. I don't have an answer for you, however. Nate Lawson might have some ideas as to what's going on. A verbose boot may be needed. I've CC'd Nate here. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 11 19:52:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13CAE1065678; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:52:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nate@root.org) Received: from nlpi101.prodigy.net (nlpi101.prodigy.net [207.115.36.117]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB9E88FC0A; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:52:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nate@root.org) X-ORBL: [71.139.5.128] Received: from [10.0.5.18] (ppp-71-139-5-128.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [71.139.5.128]) by nlpi101.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6BJgFtS032759; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:42:15 -0500 Message-ID: <4877B797.9020209@root.org> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:42:15 -0700 From: Nate Lawson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeremy Chadwick References: <20080711193815.GA63636@eos.sc1.parodius.com> In-Reply-To: <20080711193815.GA63636@eos.sc1.parodius.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:58:14 +0000 Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: AuthenticAMD, cpufreq and SunFire X2200 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:52:38 -0000 Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 09:40:11PM +0300, Danny Braniss wrote: >>> On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 03:57:00PM +0300, Danny Braniss wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> I'm trying to find out why there is no frequency info. >>>> ie: >>>> sunfire> sysctl dev.cpu.0 >>>> dev.cpu.0.%desc: ACPI CPU >>>> dev.cpu.0.%driver: cpu >>>> dev.cpu.0.%location: handle=\_PR_.P001 >>>> dev.cpu.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=none _UID=0 >>>> dev.cpu.0.%parent: acpi0 >>>> dev.cpu.0.cx_supported: C1/0 >>>> dev.cpu.0.cx_lowest: C1 >>>> dev.cpu.0.cx_usage: 100.00% >>>> >>>> so any help/insight is most welcome. >>>> >>>> BTW, its 7.0-stable >>> Is the cpufreq device in your kernel config? Do the SunFire X2200's >>> provide any sort of frequency data in their ACPI tables? Are there BIOS >>> settings which are relevant to this board enabling Cool'n'Quiet or >>> anything else of that nature (thus inducing the use of powernow(4))? >>> >> device is configured: >> config -x /boot/kernel/kernel | grep -a cpufreq >> device cpufreq >> the BIOS has powernow enabled (or something similar). >> the kernel prints: >> ... >> powernow0: on cpu0 >> powernow0: STATUS: 0x3106120806120212 >> powernow0: STATUS: maxfid: 0x12 >> powernow0: STATUS: maxvid: 0x06 >> ... >> the same is repeated for cpu 1,2,3,4,5,6 & 7 - yes it's a dual quad. >> >> which seem to indicate that it didn't like the ACPI data it got - this by >> comparing with other amd's that do report correctly. >> >> as to the question '...any sort of frequency data in their ACPI tables' >> I tried to 'read' the ACPI data, but didn't understand the language :-( > > First and foremost, please don't remove the mailing list from the CC > line; others need to know the technical details. > > I don't have an answer for you, however. Nate Lawson might have some > ideas as to what's going on. A verbose boot may be needed. I've > CC'd Nate here. Looks like someone should check the AMD datasheets and/or acpidump. I'm currently not an active committer though. -- Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 11 20:05:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5881065770; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:05:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@cs.huji.ac.il) Received: from cs1.cs.huji.ac.il (cs1.cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A61D18FC17; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:05:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@cs.huji.ac.il) Received: from pampa.cs.huji.ac.il ([132.65.80.32]) by cs1.cs.huji.ac.il with esmtp id 1KHOs4-000FqI-Q5; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:05:36 +0300 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.2 To: Nate Lawson In-reply-to: <4877B797.9020209@root.org> References: <20080711193815.GA63636@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <4877B797.9020209@root.org> Comments: In-reply-to Nate Lawson message dated "Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:42:15 -0700." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:05:36 +0300 From: Danny Braniss Message-ID: Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, Jeremy Chadwick Subject: Re: AuthenticAMD, cpufreq and SunFire X2200 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:05:39 -0000 > Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 09:40:11PM +0300, Danny Braniss wrote: > >>> On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 03:57:00PM +0300, Danny Braniss wrote: > >>>> Hi, > >>>> I'm trying to find out why there is no frequency info. > >>>> ie: > >>>> sunfire> sysctl dev.cpu.0 > >>>> dev.cpu.0.%desc: ACPI CPU > >>>> dev.cpu.0.%driver: cpu > >>>> dev.cpu.0.%location: handle=\_PR_.P001 > >>>> dev.cpu.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=none _UID=0 > >>>> dev.cpu.0.%parent: acpi0 > >>>> dev.cpu.0.cx_supported: C1/0 > >>>> dev.cpu.0.cx_lowest: C1 > >>>> dev.cpu.0.cx_usage: 100.00% > >>>> > >>>> so any help/insight is most welcome. > >>>> > >>>> BTW, its 7.0-stable > >>> Is the cpufreq device in your kernel config? Do the SunFire X2200's > >>> provide any sort of frequency data in their ACPI tables? Are there BIOS > >>> settings which are relevant to this board enabling Cool'n'Quiet or > >>> anything else of that nature (thus inducing the use of powernow(4))? > >>> > >> device is configured: > >> config -x /boot/kernel/kernel | grep -a cpufreq > >> device cpufreq > >> the BIOS has powernow enabled (or something similar). > >> the kernel prints: > >> ... > >> powernow0: on cpu0 > >> powernow0: STATUS: 0x3106120806120212 > >> powernow0: STATUS: maxfid: 0x12 > >> powernow0: STATUS: maxvid: 0x06 > >> ... > >> the same is repeated for cpu 1,2,3,4,5,6 & 7 - yes it's a dual quad. > >> > >> which seem to indicate that it didn't like the ACPI data it got - this by > >> comparing with other amd's that do report correctly. > >> > >> as to the question '...any sort of frequency data in their ACPI tables' > >> I tried to 'read' the ACPI data, but didn't understand the language :-( > > > > First and foremost, please don't remove the mailing list from the CC > > line; others need to know the technical details. > > sorry, it's the old fashioned MUA. > > I don't have an answer for you, however. Nate Lawson might have some > > ideas as to what's going on. A verbose boot may be needed. I've > > CC'd Nate here. > > Looks like someone should check the AMD datasheets and/or acpidump. I'm > currently not an active committer though. no AMD datasheets, but here goes acpidump: /* RSD PTR: OEM=ACPIAM, ACPI_Rev=2.0x (2) XSDT=0xdfff0100, length=36, cksum=253 */ /* XSDT: Length=76, Revision=1, Checksum=132, OEMID=A M I, OEM Table ID=OEMXSDT, OEM Revision=0x7000704, Creator ID=MSFT, Creator Revision=0x97 Entries={ 0xdfff0290, 0xdfff0390, 0xdfff0410, 0xdfffe040, 0xdfff4f90 } */ /* FACP: Length=244, Revision=3, Checksum=95, OEMID=A M I, OEM Table ID=OEMFACP, OEM Revision=0x7000704, Creator ID=MSFT, Creator Revision=0x97 FACS=0xdfffe000, DSDT=0xdfff04a0 INT_MODEL=APIC Preferred_PM_Profile=Enterprise Server (4) SCI_INT=9 SMI_CMD=0x242e, ACPI_ENABLE=0xe1, ACPI_DISABLE=0x1e, S4BIOS_REQ=0x0 PSTATE_CNT=0xe2 PM1a_EVT_BLK=0x2000-0x2003 PM1a_CNT_BLK=0x2004-0x2005 PM_TMR_BLK=0x2008-0x200b GPE0_BLK=0x2020-0x2027 GPE1_BLK=0x24a0-0x24af, GPE1_BASE=32 CST_CNT=0xe3 P_LVL2_LAT=101 us, P_LVL3_LAT=1001 us FLUSH_SIZE=1024, FLUSH_STRIDE=16 DUTY_OFFSET=1, DUTY_WIDTH=0 DAY_ALRM=125, MON_ALRM=126, CENTURY=50 IAPC_BOOT_ARCH={LEGACY_DEV,8042} Flags={WBINVD,PROC_C1,SLP_BUTTON,RTC_S4,HEADLESS} X_FACS=0xdfffe000, X_DSDT=0xdfff04a0 X_PM1a_EVT_BLK=0x2000:0[32] (IO) X_PM1a_CNT_BLK=0x2004:0[16] (IO) X_PM_TMR_BLK=0x2008:0[32] (IO) X_GPE0_BLK=0x2020:0[64] (IO) X_GPE1_BLK=0x24a0:0[128] (IO) */ /* FACS: Length=64, HwSig=0x00000000, Firm_Wake_Vec=0x00000000 Global_Lock= Flags= Version=1 */ /* DSDT: Length=19183, Revision=1, Checksum=118, OEMID=S39_3, OEM Table ID=S39_3B17, OEM Revision=0xb17, Creator ID=INTL, Creator Revision=0x20051117 */ /* APIC: Length=118, Revision=1, Checksum=203, OEMID=A M I, OEM Table ID=OEMAPIC, OEM Revision=0x7000704, Creator ID=MSFT, Creator Revision=0x97 Local APIC ADDR=0xfee00000 Flags={PC-AT} Type=Local APIC ACPI CPU=1 Flags={ENABLED} APIC ID=0 Type=Local APIC ACPI CPU=2 Flags={ENABLED} APIC ID=1 Type=Local APIC ACPI CPU=3 Flags={ENABLED} APIC ID=2 Type=Local APIC ACPI CPU=4 Flags={ENABLED} APIC ID=3 Type=IO APIC APIC ID=4 INT BASE=0 ADDR=0x00000000fec00000 Type=INT Override BUS=0 IRQ=9 INTR=9 Flags={Polarity=active-hi, Trigger=level} Type=INT Override BUS=0 IRQ=14 INTR=14 Flags={Polarity=active-hi, Trigger=edge} Type=INT Override BUS=0 IRQ=15 INTR=15 Flags={Polarity=active-hi, Trigger=edge} */ /* SPCR: Length=80, Revision=1, Checksum=24, OEMID=A M I, OEM Table ID=OEMSPCR, OEM Revision=0x7000704, Creator ID=MSFT, Creator Revision=0x97 */ /* SRAT: Length=272, Revision=1, Checksum=15, OEMID=AMD, OEM Table ID=HAMMER, OEM Revision=0x1, Creator ID=AMD, Creator Revision=0x1 */ From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 11 23:45:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F29301065676 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:45:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rpaulo@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AE5C8FC0A for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:45:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rpaulo@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id h3so1468814nfh.33 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:45:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:cc:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :in-reply-to:user-agent:sender; bh=hoTPBGowgXEvx51SPC1E9VGrBeXk7o007MlzgX81IBs=; b=We+ZIUzfjszS8eV/usMVpoIEAyBSAJ1BfeE4UWtvTz2Bhtjdat8FKNk0ozp3sLGyzQ C/YjKHmrkMgZeebYLuOF1WSt3ALfVEueFXUviYHOvtsGE7EMrGAjplYhqwKALPA1txd2 83X9AtpYdxuWjp68+Q6OkbAlvIJEQQxLHp9EA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent:sender; b=ZS9ANfJWPEHvDLxVXDeO+xh0T5IXG3QsBWy+zs+XY9bGAPHuRMo0+TY6VUdMAPfT46 6g+QOtNFRomIemoH8YUGLre+P6UHpWRN8+JM+6n6fruTYqmhFyZJv2/cA6FjT8o9KQdF OEfFjQwvqKyGiw3bSuf8uzopJc5f7NeojIGxk= Received: by 10.210.46.14 with SMTP id t14mr6968171ebt.129.1215819900905; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:45:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phi.local ( [83.144.141.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b30sm1828091ika.3.2008.07.11.16.44.58 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:45:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 00:44:07 +0100 From: Rui Paulo To: Danny Braniss Message-ID: <20080711234407.GA3661@phi.local> References: <20080711193815.GA63636@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <4877B797.9020209@root.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Sender: Rui Paulo Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, Jeremy Chadwick , Nate Lawson Subject: Re: AuthenticAMD, cpufreq and SunFire X2200 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:45:03 -0000 On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 11:05:36PM +0300, Danny Braniss wrote: > no AMD datasheets, but here goes acpidump: I think we need more than the dump of the tables. Try acpidump -dt. Unfortunately, I can't really help you because I know nothing about PowerNow and I have no available time at the moment to dig that up. -- Rui Paulo From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 12 05:35:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4626B106564A; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 05:35:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@cs.huji.ac.il) Received: from cs1.cs.huji.ac.il (cs1.cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E629F8FC16; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 05:35:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@cs.huji.ac.il) Received: from pampa.cs.huji.ac.il ([132.65.80.32]) by cs1.cs.huji.ac.il with esmtp id 1KHXlv-000L5e-Dj; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 08:35:51 +0300 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.2 To: Rui Paulo In-reply-to: <20080711234407.GA3661@phi.local> References: <20080711193815.GA63636@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <4877B797.9020209@root.org> <20080711234407.GA3661@phi.local> Comments: In-reply-to Rui Paulo message dated "Sat, 12 Jul 2008 00:44:07 +0100." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 08:35:51 +0300 From: Danny Braniss Message-ID: Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, Jeremy Chadwick , Nate Lawson Subject: Re: AuthenticAMD, cpufreq and SunFire X2200 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 05:35:53 -0000 > On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 11:05:36PM +0300, Danny Braniss wrote: > > no AMD datasheets, but here goes acpidump: > > I think we need more than the dump of the tables. > Try acpidump -dt. > it was a acpidump -dt, but now I also notice: acpidump -dt > /tmp/acpi acpidump: RSDT entry 3 (sig OEMB) is corrupt iasl tmp file (read): No such file or directory > Unfortunately, I can't really help you because I know nothing about > PowerNow and I have no available time at the moment to dig that up. > > -- > Rui Paulo From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 12 07:18:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDBA51065672; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:18:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@cs.huji.ac.il) Received: from cs1.cs.huji.ac.il (cs1.cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC788FC18; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:18:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@cs.huji.ac.il) Received: from pampa.cs.huji.ac.il ([132.65.80.32]) by cs1.cs.huji.ac.il with esmtp id 1KHZN3-000LrL-3T; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 10:18:17 +0300 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.2 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: References: <20080711193815.GA63636@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <4877B797.9020209@root.org> <20080711234407.GA3661@phi.local> Comments: In-reply-to Danny Braniss message dated "Sat, 12 Jul 2008 08:35:51 +0300." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 10:18:17 +0300 From: Danny Braniss Message-ID: Cc: Jeremy Chadwick , Rui Paulo , Nate Lawson Subject: Re: AuthenticAMD, cpufreq and SunFire X2200 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:18:19 -0000 > > On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 11:05:36PM +0300, Danny Braniss wrote: > > > no AMD datasheets, but here goes acpidump: > > > > I think we need more than the dump of the tables. > > Try acpidump -dt. > > > it was a acpidump -dt, but now I also notice: > acpidump -dt > /tmp/acpi > acpidump: RSDT entry 3 (sig OEMB) is corrupt > iasl tmp file (read): No such file or directory RTFM! or read the error message :-) It seems that acpidump writes in the current directory (but does not complain if it fails) but does complain when it can't read! I was running as root, but from my NFS mounted home dir. anyways, this one is slightly bigger: ftp://ftp.cs.huji.ac.il/users/danny/freebsd/x2200.asl cheers, danny From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 12 19:06:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6BAF1065676 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:06:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomrapier@mailvault.com) Received: from gateway.mailvault.com (213-239-214-176.clients.your-server.de [213.239.214.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DE4F8FC12 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:06:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomrapier@mailvault.com) Received: from mailvault.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gateway.mailvault.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42684B64134 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:51:09 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 32332 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2008 18:51:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ssl.mailvault.com) (10.0.2.100) by mx.mailvault.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2008 18:51:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:51:08 00200 (CEST) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: tomrapier MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary = "=_c8ec552a44a8dc0c1002dc5f59af6fde" Message-Id: <20080712185109.42684B64134@gateway.mailvault.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:27:48 +0000 Cc: patfbsd@davenulle.org Subject: Re: AMD Geode LX crypto accelerator (glxsb) - invalid engine "cryptodev" X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:06:41 -0000 This is a MIME encoded message. --=_c8ec552a44a8dc0c1002dc5f59af6fde Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I'm having trouble with the OpenSSL benchmark. It isn't able to load cryptodev. Output attached. Any pointers? Thanks. - Tom --=_c8ec552a44a8dc0c1002dc5f59af6fde Content-Type: text/plain; name = "cryptodev.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit $ openssl speed -engine cryptodev -elapsed -evp aes-128-cbc aes-128-cbc invalid engine "cryptodev" 11286:error:25066067:DSO support routines:DLFCN_LOAD:could not load the shared library:/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypto/../../../crypto/openssl/crypto/dso/dso_dlfcn.c:162:filename(/usr/lib/engines/libcryptodev.so): Cannot open "/usr/lib/engines/libcryptodev.so" 11286:error:25070067:DSO support routines:DSO_load:could not load the shared library:/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypto/../../../crypto/openssl/crypto/dso/dso_lib.c:244: 11286:error:260B6084:engine routines:DYNAMIC_LOAD:dso not found:/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypto/../../../crypto/openssl/crypto/engine/eng_dyn.c:450: 11286:error:2606A074:engine routines:ENGINE_by_id:no such engine:/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypto/../../../crypto/openssl/crypto/engine/eng_list.c:415:id=cryptodev 11286:error:25066067:DSO support routines:DLFCN_LOAD:could not load the shared library:/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypto/../../../crypto/openssl/crypto/dso/dso_dlfcn.c:162:filename(libcryptodev.so): Shared object "libcryptodev.so" not found, required by "openssl" 11286:error:25070067:DSO support routines:DSO_load:could not load the shared library:/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypto/../../../crypto/openssl/crypto/dso/dso_lib.c:244: 11286:error:260B6084:engine routines:DYNAMIC_LOAD:dso not found:/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypto/../../../crypto/openssl/crypto/engine/eng_dyn.c:450: You have chosen to measure elapsed time instead of user CPU time. To get the most accurate results, try to run this program when this computer is idle. Doing aes-128 cbc for 3s on 16 size blocks: 981606 aes-128 cbc's in 3.00s Doing aes-128 cbc for 3s on 64 size blocks: 258602 aes-128 cbc's in 3.00s Doing aes-128 cbc for 3s on 256 size blocks: 65471 aes-128 cbc's in 3.00s Doing aes-128 cbc for 3s on 1024 size blocks: 16451 aes-128 cbc's in 3.00s Doing aes-128 cbc for 3s on 8192 size blocks: 2058 aes-128 cbc's in 3.00s Doing aes-128-cbc for 3s on 16 size blocks: 913121 aes-128-cbc's in 3.00s Doing aes-128-cbc for 3s on 64 size blocks: 249883 aes-128-cbc's in 3.00s Doing aes-128-cbc for 3s on 256 size blocks: 64875 aes-128-cbc's in 3.00s Doing aes-128-cbc for 3s on 1024 size blocks: 16367 aes-128-cbc's in 3.00s Doing aes-128-cbc for 3s on 8192 size blocks: 2058 aes-128-cbc's in 3.00s OpenSSL 0.9.8e 23 Feb 2007 built on: Sun Feb 24 16:11:39 UTC 2008 options:bn(64,32) md2(int) rc4(idx,int) des(ptr,risc1,16,long) aes(partial) blowfish(idx) compiler: cc available timing options: USE_TOD HZ=128 [sysconf value] timing function used: gettimeofday The 'numbers' are in 1000s of bytes per second processed. type 16 bytes 64 bytes 256 bytes 1024 bytes 8192 bytes aes-128 cbc 5234.72k 5516.54k 5586.44k 5614.71k 5617.06k aes-128-cbc 4868.70k 5330.56k 5535.58k 5586.03k 5617.14k $ uname -a FreeBSD router.local 7.0-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p2 #0: Wed Jun 18 07:33:20 UTC 2008 root@i386-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 $ openssl engine (padlock) VIA PadLock (no-RNG, no-ACE) (dynamic) Dynamic engine loading support $ dmesg |grep glx glxsb0: mem 0xefff4000-0xefff7fff irq 9 at device 1.2 on pci0 $ kldstat Id Refs Address Size Name 1 6 0xc0400000 906578 kernel 2 1 0xc2553000 3000 pflog.ko 3 1 0xc2556000 33000 pf.ko 4 1 0xc2e07000 5000 glxsb.ko 5 1 0xc2e0c000 23000 crypto.ko 6 1 0xc2e2f000 a000 zlib.ko --=_c8ec552a44a8dc0c1002dc5f59af6fde-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 12 19:32:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42475106566B for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:32:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asmodai@in-nomine.org) Received: from nexus.in-nomine.org (dhammapada.xs4all.nl [82.95.168.248]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F24FD8FC17 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:32:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asmodai@in-nomine.org) Received: from localhost (localhost.domini.in-nomine.org [127.0.0.1]) by nexus.in-nomine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7AB2D821; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:32:22 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at in-nomine.org Received: from nexus.in-nomine.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nexus.domini.in-nomine.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tQGdf09Xgajj; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:32:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: by nexus.in-nomine.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DE2BED81C; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:32:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:32:21 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven To: tomrapier Message-ID: <20080712193221.GA27106@nexus.in-nomine.org> References: <20080712185109.42684B64134@gateway.mailvault.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20080712185109.42684B64134@gateway.mailvault.com> Organisation: Ninth Circle Enterprises User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, patfbsd@davenulle.org Subject: Re: AMD Geode LX crypto accelerator (glxsb) - invalid engine "cryptodev" X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:32:24 -0000 -On [20080712 21:28], tomrapier (tomrapier@mailvault.com) wrote: >I'm having trouble with the OpenSSL benchmark. It isn't able to load >cryptodev. Output attached. > >Any pointers? >$ kldstat >Id Refs Address Size Name > 1 6 0xc0400000 906578 kernel > 2 1 0xc2553000 3000 pflog.ko > 3 1 0xc2556000 33000 pf.ko > 4 1 0xc2e07000 5000 glxsb.ko > 5 1 0xc2e0c000 23000 crypto.ko > 6 1 0xc2e2f000 a000 zlib.ko How about: kldload cryptodev? [21:30] [asmodai@nexus] (0) {0} % sudo kldload cryptodev Password: (~) [21:31] [asmodai@nexus] (0) {0} % openssl speed -engine cryptodev -elapsed -evp aes-128-cbc aes-128-cbc engine "cryptodev" set. You have chosen to measure elapsed time instead of user CPU time. To get the most accurate results, try to run this program when this computer is idle. Doing aes-128 cbc for 3s on 16 size blocks: 7539390 aes-128 cbc's in 3.00s -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B Yet each man kills the thing he loves... From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 12 19:43:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F3BC106564A for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:43:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomrapier@mailvault.com) Received: from gateway.mailvault.com (213-239-214-176.clients.your-server.de [213.239.214.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E781D8FC1B for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:43:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomrapier@mailvault.com) Received: from mailvault.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gateway.mailvault.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF7AB6413E for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:47:07 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 10146 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2008 19:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ssl.mailvault.com) (10.0.2.100) by mx.mailvault.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2008 19:47:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:47:06 00200 (CEST) To: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, patfbsd@davenulle.org From: tomrapier MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary = "=_0c2a743e2166b7c0896ab84672bdd436" Message-Id: <20080712194707.2DF7AB6413E@gateway.mailvault.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:15:37 +0000 Cc: Subject: Re: AMD Geode LX crypto accelerator (glxsb) - invalid engine "cryptodev" X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:43:43 -0000 This is a MIME encoded message. --=_0c2a743e2166b7c0896ab84672bdd436 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 12-Jul-2008 21:35:54 +0200, you wrote: > -On [20080712 21:28], tomrapier (tomrapier@mailvault.com) wrote: > >I'm having trouble with the OpenSSL benchmark. It isn't able to load > >cryptodev. Output attached. > > > >Any pointers? > > >$ kldstat > >Id Refs Address Size Name > > 1 6 0xc0400000 906578 kernel > > 2 1 0xc2553000 3000 pflog.ko > > 3 1 0xc2556000 33000 pf.ko > > 4 1 0xc2e07000 5000 glxsb.ko > > 5 1 0xc2e0c000 23000 crypto.ko > > 6 1 0xc2e2f000 a000 zlib.ko > > How about: kldload cryptodev? > Great, that fixed it. - Tom --=_0c2a743e2166b7c0896ab84672bdd436-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 12 20:18:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF9331065675 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:18:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ancelgray@yahoo.com) Received: from wombat.diezmil.com (aa.81.b6.static.xlhost.com [207.182.129.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83AD98FC15 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:18:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ancelgray@yahoo.com) Received: from wombat.diezmil.com (wombat.diezmil.com [127.0.0.1]) by wombat.diezmil.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6D3b1ZA031090 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:37:02 -0400 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:37:01 -0400 From: ancelgray@yahoo.com To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: <26712630.21215920221975.JavaMail.root@wombat.diezmil.com> In-Reply-To: <200801240606.m0O66p5V000373@mail.cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:21:48 +0000 Subject: Re: Re: Hardware support for AMD Geode CS5536 audio? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ancelgray@yahoo.com List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:18:16 -0000 Bruce, This is Andrew Gray. I am running an Alix-1C board with the CS5536 on it. This board is very nice. It's only about $138 and it has a good "standard" clone AWARD bios that we are all used to (unlike say, the Soekris boards). It uses only 5 watts and has everthing including 21 GPIO pins. (except is doesn't have a Freebsd sound driver yet. Also 3.3V SB audigy SB0090 PCI sound cards don't seem to work in its 3.3V PCI slot). It has serial ports (COM1 & 2) for debug and it has plenty of RAM. It runs at 500 Mhz, so it is fast enough to compile a sound driver. (It takes about 20 seconds). It has a 44-pin laptop IDE interface (ribbon cable has smaller spacing), so you need a 44 pin to 40 pin adapter cable if you want to run a regular HD, and you must power the regular hard drive from SOME OTHER power supply. ALternatively, you can put a 4 meg compact flash in its bay, and just use it as a flash HD. This works fine: http://www.mini-box.com/Alix-1C-Board-1-LAN-1-MINI-PCI?sc=8&category=754 A question for you? Do Freebsd 4.6 drivers still work on freebsd 6.2 and 7.0? Are you working on this CS5536 driver? Do you have hardware yet? Andrew Gray ancelgray "AT" y a h o o "dot" c o m -- This message was sent on behalf of ancelgray@yahoo.com at openSubscriber.com http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org/8451180.html From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 12 23:15:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38D91065676; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:15:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stas@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.ht-systems.ru (mr0.ht-systems.ru [78.110.50.55]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0218FC18; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:15:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stas@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [85.21.245.235] (helo=stal.SpringDaemons.com) by smtp.ht-systems.ru with esmtpa (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1KHnk4-0007dl-6S; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 02:39:00 +0400 Received: from stal.SpringDaemons.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stal.SpringDaemons.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1262C22823; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 02:38:55 +0400 (MSD) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 02:38:52 +0400 From: Stanislav Sedov To: Beech Rintoul Message-Id: <20080713023852.a0977807.stas@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <200807061326.30152.beech@freebsd.org> References: <200805182328.45822.beech@freebsd.org> <200805182355.24787.beech@freebsd.org> <200807061326.30152.beech@freebsd.org> Organization: The FreeBSD Project X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.10; i386-portbld-freebsd6.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help with copytree code X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:15:07 -0000 On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 13:26:21 -0800 Beech Rintoul mentioned: > I'd just like to thank stas@ and everyone who replied with > suggestions, code etc. I believe that I now have something workable > and it's been submitted to portmgr for review and possible inclusion > in bsd.port.mk along with some new features of my own. Hopefully, > this will fix a long standing problem with copytree_*. > Have you filled the PR so we could review/comment? -- Stanislav Sedov ST4096-RIPE From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 12 23:38:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C231065671 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:38:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ioplex@gmail.com) Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.183]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E9E8FC21 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:38:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ioplex@gmail.com) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c30so2267855ika.3 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:38:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=Pb3lQHUWjU/j2WMQ7vGRyagyBJdzkCqvAYZKROaOmQk=; b=UaApnvro3V6MeknkDVbhVM8dpzfilUW0VaHDJyowoMt81dQOiGdPMi54RPIaP6QsOb 014EAHpwFZVXEwBoaFSiIiaBTcwo07lbWY69IIm/7W9lnsAyK/Z9qlzw9Hxs9nzcPDc0 EFyVdeHC0Temp+EdvwDo4eZMLARX0tSUsxRmM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=nSv1/jynggJeisrukdA9a6CEUsYKSLrmgIoTVF92CKTR+/W92GCcPv1y9wXtNao8Ji u6IPCxzQCPEWg/wRMwg1nyRiLybqjO4IhjVvX897Z1xVMmrFl/nlVn8Nxy9jCPdCfywR 1Oin/ieIsllBfJ1q+YhJq+YWsryh/6ZtuN/IM= Received: by 10.210.67.20 with SMTP id p20mr7757662eba.66.1215904286057; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.139.1 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <78c6bd860807121611w4f6ab44brbebfffea9929682a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:11:26 -0400 From: "Michael B Allen" To: freebsd-hackers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Pls sanity check my semtimedop(2) implementation X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:38:39 -0000 Hi, Below is a semtimedop(2) implementation that I'm using for FreeBSD. I was hoping someone could look it over and tell me if they think the implementation is sound. The code seems to work ok but when stressing the FreeBSD build of my app I have managed to provoke errors related to concurrency (usually when a SIGALRM goes off). The Linux build works flawlessesly so I'm wondering about this one critical function that is different. Do you think it would make any difference if I used ITIMER_VIRTUAL / SIGVTALRM instead of ITIMER_REAL / SIGALRM? Or perhaps I should be using a different implementation entirely? Mike int _semtimedop(int semid, struct sembuf *array, size_t nops, struct timespec *_timeout) { struct timeval timeout, before, after; struct itimerval value, ovalue; struct sigaction sa, osa; int ret; if (_timeout) { timeout.tv_sec = _timeout->tv_sec; timeout.tv_usec = _timeout->tv_nsec / 1000; if (gettimeofday(&before, NULL) == -1) { return -1; } memset(&value, 0, sizeof value); value.it_value = timeout; memset(&sa, 0, sizeof sa); /* signal_print writes the signal info to a log file */ sa.sa_sigaction = signal_print; sa.sa_flags = SA_SIGINFO; sigemptyset(&sa.sa_mask); sigaction(SIGALRM, &sa, &osa); if (setitimer(ITIMER_REAL, &value, &ovalue) == -1) { sigaction(SIGALRM, &osa, NULL); return -1; } } ret = semop(semid, array, nops); if (_timeout) { sigaction(SIGALRM, &osa, NULL); if (setitimer(ITIMER_REAL, &ovalue, NULL) == -1) { return -1; } } if (ret == -1) { if (_timeout) { struct timeval elapsed; if (gettimeofday(&after, NULL) == -1) { return -1; } _timeval_diff(&after, &before, &elapsed); if (timercmp(&elapsed, &timeout, >=)) errno = EAGAIN; } return -1; } return 0; }