From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 27 00:56:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB3891065675; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:56:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: from tinker.exit.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:47e::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7BE38FC23; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:56:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: from jill.exit.com (jill.exit.com [IPv6:2001:470:80f4:0:2e0:81ff:fe33:7e9a]) by tinker.exit.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6R0pCqH093668; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:51:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=exit.com; s=tinker; t=1217119872; bh=9Jo8uSZEw6igWpUe3LrNXqW8DNhUaorRJeuGpB8ljf4=; h=Subject:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date:Message-Id:Mime-Version; b=ooplDXiz rRJAjX0H77VmPyB5/5+RvgGs0cldcuOCkkdnz7VP0Bv9MD7SxxZqhu1OlL3ubuupzp/ pUbqoX0H5ZLg5Ae4Uy54vNqQcZb8xEbMDYmEvAMnPNBkEL5/9LmzxOEezUMEGjsHkEg 0PIXESouH+DLnV8ZyZZ6urGe13gZE= Received: from jill.exit.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jill.exit.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6R0uTCS038426; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:56:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: (from frank@localhost) by jill.exit.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m6R0uSuA038425; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:56:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) X-Authentication-Warning: jill.exit.com: frank set sender to frank@exit.com using -f From: Frank Mayhar To: John Nielsen In-Reply-To: <200807251802.23984.lists@jnielsen.net> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <200807251802.23984.lists@jnielsen.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Exit Consulting Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:56:27 -0700 Message-Id: <1217120187.37762.7.camel@jill.exit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93/7404/Sun Jun 8 09:19:18 2008 on tinker.exit.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: frank@exit.com List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:56:33 -0000 On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 18:02 -0400, John Nielsen wrote: > On Thursday 24 July 2008, Frank Mayhar wrote: > > My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, sigh, > > so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from > > this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't > > read -mobile). Turns out the issue is a known problem, although one that Dell is apparently refusing to own up to, with overheating causing problems with the power connector on the 5150 and 5160 motherboards and often with other nearby components as well. Annoying, and makes me want to stay away from Dell. > I haven't played with one hands-on, but the laptop I was going to buy until > $work supplied a different one was a Fujitsu Lifebook E8410. It has a few > customization options if you get it from Fujitsu directly. Among these are > Intel graphics and Atheros wireless, 2 of the main things I was looking for > for good FreeBSD hw support. After reading all the replies I'm actually taking your suggestion and going with Fujitsu, specifically the E8420. I'm getting the NVidia option and I'll be running in i386 mode until FreeBSD can handle the nvidia requirements for amd64 mode. Atheros wireless, WSXGA+ option and 2GB upgradable to 4. I'll keep my fingers crossed with regard to working suspend/resume but again I'm not holding my breath. They claim that with the 8-cell main and 6-cell modular battery it has a 5:30 runtime; we'll see. -- Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/ Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/ http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/ http://www.zazzle.com/fmayhar* From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 27 21:23:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0A86106566B for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:23:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zbeeble@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 658028FC1C for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:23:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zbeeble@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c8so3283936wra.27 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:23:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=OjbpOlGDJ0fpCTPatZRGq44HLyGugnSNSRqQtAWdG3M=; b=uni9V7T+nB4b6F+ebIwmQwiGIuHIx/SWjfH8Abpcj5PzqIllToCcIBX4WgjJApUPjT q8sHqkye5iTbxFZj1zFTUSG5Le64hnHjKDtOiKvzp+JjNfGoquuUoBim/ckerD1tS83m 79bzX9r5iL+OVIiLZ2JgUZ4MkMWyKdKp5Im9U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=LuxCNMEROQCGFNyFeqv9HFh9lfTXm1ZCXeiTm1AJNE9QF/veuOs32BT+04pXvd52Vy Mz0AUcJRK+bLQ5UeBYI2TT0ltSiG5WPmKcH3fbnuzZ/ryidsEeAYu/wzUdUOkT775CEW XhRbyNUk9H7ie2q6qTUBp4uvPR1dTZEki3DGg= Received: by 10.90.73.17 with SMTP id v17mr6399034aga.7.1217193826500; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.12.12 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5f67a8c40807271423t3dc1e89bn7295b9af9fa0eda5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:23:46 -0400 From: "Zaphod Beeblebrox" To: frank@exit.com In-Reply-To: <1217120187.37762.7.camel@jill.exit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <200807251802.23984.lists@jnielsen.net> <1217120187.37762.7.camel@jill.exit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:23:47 -0000 On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 8:56 PM, Frank Mayhar wrote: > After reading all the replies I'm actually taking your suggestion and > going with Fujitsu, specifically the E8420. I'm getting the NVidia > option and I'll be running in i386 mode until FreeBSD can handle the > nvidia requirements for amd64 mode. Atheros wireless, WSXGA+ option and > 2GB upgradable to 4. I'll keep my fingers crossed with regard to > working suspend/resume but again I'm not holding my breath. They claim > that with the 8-cell main and 6-cell modular battery it has a 5:30 > runtime; we'll see. Having had several fujitsu's before the current run of Dell laptops, I always found them better than average for FreeBSD support. Even (last one I had) suspending to RAM. The Dells I've currently been buying are very high end models and my impression of Dell is that their cheap models are not worth bothering with, their middle of the price range models are mostly acceptable with some lemons and their high end systems are very well done. That said, an OS-level suspend-to-disk would be an awesome summer-of-code project. I was thinking that beyond swapping everything out (probably easy enough) and providing a clue to a newly booted OS that the processes had to be reactiveated, we'd need a method of remembering what file handles were connected to so that they could be "reopened" (in this, I envision some type of text string... maybe a URI/URL). As a bonus, this would give us process migration between systems, too (assuming the URI were portable between self same systems --- which isn't horribly hard with nfs mounts and whatnot). From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 27 21:43:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1267106564A for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:43:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joerg@britannica.bec.de) Received: from www.pkgsrc-box.org (www.ostsee-abc.de [62.206.222.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 642978FC16 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:43:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joerg@britannica.bec.de) Received: from britannica.bec.de (www.pkgsrc-box.org [127.0.0.1]) by www.pkgsrc-box.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52CA4E506A7 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:43:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by britannica.bec.de (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 25A408059; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:43:30 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:43:30 +0200 From: Joerg Sonnenberger To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080727214330.GA1694@britannica.bec.de> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <200807251802.23984.lists@jnielsen.net> <1217120187.37762.7.camel@jill.exit.com> <5f67a8c40807271423t3dc1e89bn7295b9af9fa0eda5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5f67a8c40807271423t3dc1e89bn7295b9af9fa0eda5@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:43:31 -0000 On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 05:23:46PM -0400, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: > That said, an OS-level suspend-to-disk would be an awesome summer-of-code > project. I don't think it is feasible as SoC project without previous knowledge and interaction with at least the ACPI suspend-to-RAM code (or alternative the low-level boot code) and VM knowledge (both MI and MD). I believe it can be done in 3 month though. Joerg From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 27 22:40:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D7D1065671 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:40:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zbeeble@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A47F58FC14 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:40:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zbeeble@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c8so3325245wra.27 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:40:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=VQnr5Qy116Lc1GImy7OPmZooRvDQT4W4gFGudEaQ7mA=; b=IKTRkqT6BE5plP0qSssqicWLZvTLAZO1+vEt1ouit4WvqZmb/PjV/Ri1SnygiY/FXD oag91eNFpXIjAZq15IjybE6B4QvYEBgqoeEuXpVFuyqPjM0fDvQnfOWnVe9iDt7GP6IE aS8R8CAXei7KRLHL2/ou8a26bjPjpw/GAUaxU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=G0GBGZU7zBpQ8U//h6vG/AGWSJtxjbiVuwe22OUMLmeyUYzEYgHmahhhQ1mNOtrkgd DXrZDd+AaVy6V9ep3bEndGe2FZfsOg6xpiNiMvcFjx8c52mrCpAfHLElDF3TujVfbHF5 0s8OvldUcgtJzICR31Mumcc2f0qFp28OI6knY= Received: by 10.90.52.1 with SMTP id z1mr2706535agz.98.1217198439557; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.12.12 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5f67a8c40807271540m3e1354d8s4e8d10e7f101afac@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:40:39 -0400 From: "Zaphod Beeblebrox" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20080727214330.GA1694@britannica.bec.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <200807251802.23984.lists@jnielsen.net> <1217120187.37762.7.camel@jill.exit.com> <5f67a8c40807271423t3dc1e89bn7295b9af9fa0eda5@mail.gmail.com> <20080727214330.GA1694@britannica.bec.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:40:41 -0000 On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: > On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 05:23:46PM -0400, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: > > That said, an OS-level suspend-to-disk would be an awesome summer-of-code > > project. > > I don't think it is feasible as SoC project without previous knowledge > and interaction with at least the ACPI suspend-to-RAM code (or > alternative the low-level boot code) and VM knowledge (both MI and MD). > I believe it can be done in 3 month though. Actually, the point I was tryinng to make is that the os implemented suspend-to-disk doesn't need any knowledge of ACPI or any other dependancies. VM knowledge, yes. Some inventive design for (re) opening file handles and other system resources... but the mess that is ACPI doesn't seem to be needed for this. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 07:00:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76DC6106566C for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:00:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from v.werth@bally-wulff.de) Received: from mail2.bally-wulff-berlin.de (mail2.bally-wulff-berlin.de [212.144.118.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B2C8FC0C for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:00:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from v.werth@bally-wulff.de) Received: from ex1.bally-wulff.de (ex1.bally.de [192.9.204.18]) by mail2.bally-wulff-berlin.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C757C99052; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:00:23 +0200 (CEST) Thread-Index: Acjwf5uJ/L0U2NdBT9md9YAZVupvBQ== Thread-Topic: Intel Q35 works (patch attached) Received: from pc88.bally.de ([192.9.205.88]) by ex1.bally-wulff.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:00:23 +0200 From: "Werth, Volker" To: "Ted Faber" User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 References: <20080725221320.GA2214@zod.isi.edu> In-Reply-To: <20080725221320.GA2214@zod.isi.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.2826 Importance: normal Priority: normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <200301010118.21433.v.werth@bally-wulff.de> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2008 07:00:24.0024 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B7D1D80:01C8F07F] Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel Q35 works (patch attached) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:00:26 -0000 X-Original-Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 01:18:21 +0100 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:00:26 -0000 Volker Werth schrieb am 28.07.2008 09:00 _____________________________________________________________________ Am Samstag, 26. Juli 2008 00:13 schrieb Ted Faber: > Some recent work in the AGP drivers seems to have combined to make > FreeBSD support the Intel Q35 in my Intel Optiplex 755. Attached is a > one-line patch to enable detection of the chipset (really moving a > comment character). It would be great if someone would commit it. > > If no one notices this mail, I'll file a pr. > > Thanks! Ted, yes, please file a PR (the recommended way). --=20 Volker Werth system engineering Bally Wulff Entertainment GmbH Maybachufer 48-51 12045 Berlin, Germany ph: +49(30)62002-109 Bally Wulff Entertainment GmbH, Maybachufer 48-51, 12045 Berlin, = Postanschrift: Postfach 44 01 57, 12001 Berlin Tel.: 030-620 02-0 FAX: = 030-620 02-200, Gesch=E4ftsf=FChrer: Sascha Blodau, Wolfram J. 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( [213.152.137.38]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c15sm15933980anc.1.2008.07.28.05.11.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:11:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <488DB785.3020805@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:11:49 +0400 From: sam User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: forcefsck on booting stage X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:36:26 -0000 Hello, How to make 'fsck -f' on booting stage of remote system? /Vladimir Ermakov From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 13:00:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8661065670 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:00:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: from mx01.sc1.parodius.com (mx01.sc1.parodius.com [72.20.106.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 985C78FC0C for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:00:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: by mx01.sc1.parodius.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 42C291CC0AC; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:00:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:00:57 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: sam Message-ID: <20080728130057.GA798@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: <488DB785.3020805@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <488DB785.3020805@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: forcefsck on booting stage X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:00:57 -0000 On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 04:11:49PM +0400, sam wrote: > Hello, > > How to make 'fsck -f' on booting stage of remote system? I believe by setting background_fsck="no" in /etc/rc.conf? That's the only way I know of, besides booting single user and doing it manually. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 13:09:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF51106564A for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:09:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marc.loerner@hob.de) Received: from mailgate.hob.de (mailgate.hob.de [212.185.199.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7338FC14 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:09:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marc.loerner@hob.de) Received: from imap.hob.de (mail2.hob.de [172.25.1.102]) by mailgate.hob.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D81BE52009B for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:09:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from linux03.hob.de (linux03.hob.de [172.22.0.190]) by imap.hob.de (Postfix on SuSE eMail Server 2.0) with ESMTP id 82A7DFD557 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:09:05 +0200 (CEST) From: Marc =?iso-8859-1?q?L=F6rner?= Organization: hob To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:10:11 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <488DB785.3020805@gmail.com> <20080728130057.GA798@eos.sc1.parodius.com> In-Reply-To: <20080728130057.GA798@eos.sc1.parodius.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200807281510.12070.marc.loerner@hob.de> Subject: Re: forcefsck on booting stage X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:09:07 -0000 On Monday 28 July 2008 15:00, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 04:11:49PM +0400, sam wrote: > > Hello, > > > > How to make 'fsck -f' on booting stage of remote system? > > I believe by setting background_fsck="no" in /etc/rc.conf? That's the > only way I know of, besides booting single user and doing it manually. Doesn't this only disable background fsck support? By creating file "/forcefsck" you can force an fsck at next reboot, because some scripts test for existence. HTH, Marc Loerner From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 14:48:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31F7B1065703 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:48:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+YI=b4248589@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from fallback-in1.mxes.net (fallback-out1.mxes.net [216.86.168.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE05C8FC16 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:48:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+YI=b4248589@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from mxout-03.mxes.net (mxout-03.mxes.net [216.86.168.178]) by fallback-in1.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1641164204 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:32:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com. (unknown [87.81.140.128]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B3023E4B6 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:32:04 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080728153204.567bb54c@gumby.homeunix.com.> In-Reply-To: <200807281510.12070.marc.loerner@hob.de> References: <488DB785.3020805@gmail.com> <20080728130057.GA798@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <200807281510.12070.marc.loerner@hob.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: forcefsck on booting stage X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:48:47 -0000 On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:10:11 +0200 Marc L__rner wrote: > On Monday 28 July 2008 15:00, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 04:11:49PM +0400, sam wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > How to make 'fsck -f' on booting stage of remote system? > > > > I believe by setting background_fsck="no" in /etc/rc.conf? That's > > the only way I know of, besides booting single user and doing it > > manually. > > Doesn't this only disable background fsck support? > By creating file "/forcefsck" you can force an fsck at next reboot, > because some scripts test for existence. That's in linux AFAIK, but it would be fairly straightforward to modify /etc/rc.d/fsck to get that behaviour though. fsck -f is interactive, so you would want to add the -y option to prevent its hanging waiting for console input. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 15:36:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9016B1065670 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:36:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pawel.worach@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C1D78FC21 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:36:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pawel.worach@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id h3so1802073nfh.33 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:36:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pV5a67y8XiCepsCsDYxSiBUotbN0cDrf0XYbtKwR6dA=; b=tJI3BqLKgRIQdYaQgckwMxzzltNf750e6gMV9Q+U7vCT2CMrDOFmePBffmQpUNlFH+ +cbeIbn4+yELkrFMtgQYuUxBQpdkKd74x9sDsBlYHUNBnGhS75+hqrl9h/pBqapI67fG HQ2PP6nCjjUYOvFYWD9Qz9xuYYUawP9Btu928= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=l4CrocjrUxJ4W2DE8QfR4yjCwd+qIFDE+bB8rMWED64DDG09vZoo/WtJiee0Lju0nQ KlITIpF9EaN4r3LAJOw68w7z9S2yC4kBXuw3ez21ECYTpdh+AF9CxiV+qzom3xYrQlmb EIfTWdY3pZrc3u03F+QJY7Pzm/LLOhWJK7qoo= Received: by 10.210.61.19 with SMTP id j19mr6063517eba.88.1217257806562; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.200.17.16? ( [193.183.18.10]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i8sm13360139nfh.20.2008.07.28.08.10.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <488DE14B.2040103@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:10:03 +0200 From: Pawel Worach User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0a2pre (Windows; 2008072800) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RW References: <488DB785.3020805@gmail.com> <20080728130057.GA798@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <200807281510.12070.marc.loerner@hob.de> <20080728153204.567bb54c@gumby.homeunix.com.> In-Reply-To: <20080728153204.567bb54c@gumby.homeunix.com.> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: forcefsck on booting stage X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:36:19 -0000 RW wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:10:11 +0200 > Marc L__rner wrote: > >> On Monday 28 July 2008 15:00, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: >>> On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 04:11:49PM +0400, sam wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> How to make 'fsck -f' on booting stage of remote system? >>> I believe by setting background_fsck="no" in /etc/rc.conf? That's >>> the only way I know of, besides booting single user and doing it >>> manually. >> Doesn't this only disable background fsck support? >> By creating file "/forcefsck" you can force an fsck at next reboot, >> because some scripts test for existence. > > That's in linux AFAIK, but it would be fairly straightforward to > modify /etc/rc.d/fsck to get that behaviour though. > > fsck -f is interactive, so you would want to add the -y option to > prevent its hanging waiting for console input. > That is what fsck_y_enable="YES" is for. -- Pawel From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 16:14:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F83410656A5 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:14:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from faber@ISI.EDU) Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 670F08FC1E for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:14:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from faber@ISI.EDU) Received: from zod.isi.edu (zod.isi.edu [128.9.168.221]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6SGD4Lj012328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:13:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from faber@localhost) by zod.isi.edu (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m6SGD3Mx003621; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:13:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from faber) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:13:03 -0700 From: Ted Faber To: "Werth, Volker" Message-ID: <20080728161303.GA3591@zod.isi.edu> References: <20080725221320.GA2214@zod.isi.edu> <200301010118.21433.v.werth@bally-wulff.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200301010118.21433.v.werth@bally-wulff.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: faber@zod.isi.edu Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel Q35 works (patch attached) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:14:29 -0000 --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 01:18:21AM +0100, Werth, Volker wrote: > Volker Werth schrieb am 28.07.2008 09:00 > _____________________________________________________________________ >=20 > Am Samstag, 26. Juli 2008 00:13 schrieb Ted Faber: > > Some recent work in the AGP drivers seems to have combined to make > > FreeBSD support the Intel Q35 in my Intel Optiplex 755. Attached is a > > one-line patch to enable detection of the chipset (really moving a > > comment character). It would be great if someone would commit it. > > > > If no one notices this mail, I'll file a pr. > > > > Thanks! >=20 > Ted, >=20 > yes, please file a PR (the recommended way). I'll send one this afternoon. Thanks. --=20 Ted Faber http://www.isi.edu/~faber PGP: http://www.isi.edu/~faber/pubkeys.= asc Unexpected attachment on this mail? See http://www.isi.edu/~faber/FAQ.html#= SIG --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkiN8A8ACgkQaUz3f+Zf+Xuh5wCeLTdcde/JYi3lB4qPiHEnOvJX qWwAoMtZAonGDtajJqupeFbWHPe5qpb/ =W8OE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 16:39:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14A3A1065674 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:39:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ady@ady.ro) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9D258FC0C for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:39:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ady@ady.ro) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so3474192wfg.7 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.43.7 with SMTP id v7mr1651981wfj.234.1217261672512; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:14:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.54.14 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:14:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <78cb3d3f0807280914u53fabf70m102d94416c3062fb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:14:32 +0200 From: "Adrian Penisoara" Sender: ady@ady.ro To: RW In-Reply-To: <20080728153204.567bb54c@gumby.homeunix.com.> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <488DB785.3020805@gmail.com> <20080728130057.GA798@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <200807281510.12070.marc.loerner@hob.de> <20080728153204.567bb54c@gumby.homeunix.com.> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 06f5e567e530c226 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: forcefsck on booting stage X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:39:29 -0000 Hi, On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 4:32 PM, RW wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:10:11 +0200 > Marc L__rner wrote: > > > On Monday 28 July 2008 15:00, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 04:11:49PM +0400, sam wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > How to make 'fsck -f' on booting stage of remote system? > > > > > > I believe by setting background_fsck="no" in /etc/rc.conf? That's > > > the only way I know of, besides booting single user and doing it > > > manually. > > > > Doesn't this only disable background fsck support? > > By creating file "/forcefsck" you can force an fsck at next reboot, > > because some scripts test for existence. > > That's in linux AFAIK, but it would be fairly straightforward to > modify /etc/rc.d/fsck to get that behaviour though. > > fsck -f is interactive, so you would want to add the -y option to > prevent its hanging waiting for console input. > Would "fsck -fy" in /etc/rc.early satisfy your needs ? Not sure how much longer it will be supported this method... Regards, Adrian. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 16:31:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFC6D1065770 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:31:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eugen@kuzbass.ru) Received: from www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (www.svzserv.kemerovo.su [213.184.65.80]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B5AA8FC1F for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:31:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eugen@kuzbass.ru) Received: from www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (eugen@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6SGVAAN079173; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:31:10 +0800 (KRAST) (envelope-from eugen@www.svzserv.kemerovo.su) Received: (from eugen@localhost) by www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id m6SGVAv9079172; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:31:10 +0800 (KRAST) (envelope-from eugen) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:31:10 +0800 From: Eugene Grosbein To: sam Message-ID: <20080728163110.GA78761@svzserv.kemerovo.su> References: <488DB785.3020805@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <488DB785.3020805@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:01:27 +0000 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: forcefsck on booting stage X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:31:15 -0000 On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 04:11:49PM +0400, sam wrote: > How to make 'fsck -f' on booting stage of remote system? echo '/sbin/fsck -y -f' >> /etc/rc.early From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 19:24:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE6D71065674 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:24:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ken@mthelicon.com) Received: from hercules.mthelicon.com (hercules.broker.freenet6.net [IPv6:2001:5c0:8fff:fffe::ae3d]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE148FC13 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:24:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ken@mthelicon.com) Received: from PortaPeg (93-152-16-141.max.managedbroadband.co.uk [93.152.16.141]) (authenticated bits=0) by hercules.mthelicon.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6SJNwoh002511 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:23:59 GMT (envelope-from ken@mthelicon.com) From: "Pegasus Mc Cleaft" To: Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:23:58 +0100 Message-ID: <002301c8f0e7$7cb7a1a0$7626e4e0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acjw53teT80sKKgJRwKNKHMiW/56RQ== Content-Language: en-gb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Kernel Memeory - AMD64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:24:04 -0000 Hello everyone, I was wondering if you guys could comment or give guidance to the following question: By watching the threads here and also in the CVS commit group, I see there has been (or will be) a change to the way the kernel addresses memory. Specifically in its ability to use memory beyond the 2 gig boundry? At the moment, I have increased the limits on my box by adding the following to the /boot/loader.conf file: vm.kmem_size_max="1073741824" vm.kmem_size="1073741824" I did this because of ZFS and its requirements for memory (Just take a moment here to say thank you to the people involved in porting ZFS to the BSD platform. I love it! And I use it all the time on my machines) But with the recent changes to how the kernel addresses memory and its limits, am I better off removing these entries and letting the kernel grow is memory usage as needs be, or should I increase the limits further? If the answer is application specific, one of the boxes is a mysql server, Q6600 w/ 4 Gigs.. The other is a Q9450 w/ 8 Gigs of ram that serves as my desktop machine (xorg, kde, kdevelop, etc) Thank you in advance for your comment, Peg From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 28 20:43:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E55A61065680 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:43:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-hackers@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC648FC1C for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:43:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-hackers@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1KNZZK-0007Pf-0n for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:43:46 +0000 Received: from 89-172-59-21.adsl.net.t-com.hr ([89.172.59.21]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:43:46 +0000 Received: from ivoras by 89-172-59-21.adsl.net.t-com.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:43:46 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:43:17 +0200 Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <002301c8f0e7$7cb7a1a0$7626e4e0$@com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig8D1BE3A7B664F9CE3F0F6779" X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 89-172-59-21.adsl.net.t-com.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) In-Reply-To: <002301c8f0e7$7cb7a1a0$7626e4e0$@com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Sender: news Subject: Re: Kernel Memeory - AMD64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:43:52 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig8D1BE3A7B664F9CE3F0F6779 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pegasus Mc Cleaft wrote: > Hello everyone,=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > I was wondering if you guys could comment or give guida= nce > to the following question: By watching the threads here and also in the= CVS > commit group, I see there has been (or will be) a change to the way the= > kernel addresses memory. Specifically in its ability to use memory beyo= nd > the 2 gig boundry?=20 Yes, but only for 8-CURRENT. I doubt the changes will be backported to 7.= x. If you're interested, you might try running CURRENT, it's currently=20 probably one of the most stable CURRENT trees ever. --------------enig8D1BE3A7B664F9CE3F0F6779 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIji91ldnAQVacBcgRAol/AKDFDbZQ7c2lLNW6WYD4Cma5S/T05QCg27Qu TEtMieUKoAHcH6gwbO82BOE= =biFK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig8D1BE3A7B664F9CE3F0F6779-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 09:28:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD4AF106567F for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:28:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gahr@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cpanel03.rubas-s03.net (cpanel03.rubas-s03.net [195.182.222.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 471BB8FC16 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:28:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gahr@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [213.142.183.219] (helo=gahrtop.localhost) by cpanel03.rubas-s03.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KNkRH-0004fL-Hw for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:20:11 +0200 Message-ID: <488ED2B3.7030506@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:20:03 +0200 From: Pietro Cerutti Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080610) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Hackers X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 OpenPGP: id=9571F78E; url=http://gahr.ch/pgp/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cpanel03.rubas-s03.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - FreeBSD.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Uaudio problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:28:36 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Hi hackers, I have sent the following to multimedia one month ago, but have had no replies yet. Does anybody have a clue? Thanks in advance! I've seen several people having the same problem I'm having on the lists. However, I couldn't find a solution :-( Here's the facts: Just bought a new USB headset [1]. This one uses snd_uaudio. Playback is great, but recording / mic in doesn't work: uaudio0: on uhub0 uaudio0: audio rev 1.00 pcm0: on uaudio0 pcm0:virtual:dsp1.vr0: record interrupt timeout, channel dead pcm0:virtual:dsp1.vp0: play interrupt timeout, channel dead Here are a few debugging information. | uname -a FreeBSD gahrtop.localhost 8.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT #0: Mon Jun 23 09:43:28 CEST 2008 root at gahrtop.localhost:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MSI1034 i386 | sysctl hw.snd dev.pcm hw.snd.latency_profile: 1 hw.snd.latency: 5 hw.snd.report_soft_formats: 1 hw.snd.compat_linux_mmap: 0 hw.snd.feeder_buffersize: 16384 hw.snd.feeder_rate_round: 25 hw.snd.feeder_rate_max: 2016000 hw.snd.feeder_rate_min: 1 hw.snd.verbose: 3 hw.snd.maxautovchans: 16 hw.snd.default_unit: 0 hw.snd.version: 2007061600/i386 hw.snd.default_auto: 0 dev.pcm.0.%desc: USB Audio dev.pcm.0.%driver: pcm dev.pcm.0.%parent: uaudio0 dev.pcm.0.play.vchans: 1 dev.pcm.0.play.vchanrate: 48000 dev.pcm.0.play.vchanformat: s16le dev.pcm.0.rec.vchans: 1 dev.pcm.0.rec.vchanrate: 48000 dev.pcm.0.rec.vchanformat: s16le dev.pcm.0.buffersize: 16384 | cat /dev/sndstat FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm: 32bit 2007061600/i386) Installed devices: pcm0: at ? kld snd_uaudio [GIANT] (1p:1v/1r:1v channels duplex default) ~ mode 1:(output) 2ch, 16/16bit, pcm, 48000,44100Hz ~ mode 1:(input) 1ch, 16/16bit, pcm, 48000,44100Hz ~ [pcm0:play:dsp0.p0]: spd 48000, fmt 0x10000010, flags 0x00101000, 0x00000020 ~ interrupts 0, underruns 0, feed 0, ready 0 [b:16384/2048/8|bs:16384/8192/2] ~ {userland} -> feeder_vchan(0x10000010) -> feeder_volume(0x10000010) -> {hardware} ~ pcm0:play:dsp0.p0[pcm0:virtual:dsp0.vp0]: spd 0, fmt 0x00000000/0x00000008, flags 0x10000000, 0x00000000 ~ interrupts 0, underruns 0, feed 0, ready 0 [b:0/0/0|bs:0/0/0] ~ {userland} -> feeder_root(0x00000000) -> {hardware} ~ [pcm0:record:dsp0.r0]: spd 48000, fmt 0x10000010/0x00000010, flags 0x00101000, 0x00000000 ~ interrupts 0, overruns 0, feed 0, hfree 16384, sfree 32768 [b:16384/1024/16|bs:32768/16384/2] ~ {hardware} -> feeder_root(0x00000010) -> feeder_monotostereo16(0x00000010 -> 0x10000010) -> feeder_vchan(0x10000010) -> {userland} ~ pcm0:record:dsp0.r0[pcm0:virtual:dsp0.vr0]: spd 0, fmt 0x00000000/0x00000008, flags 0x10000000, 0x00000000 ~ interrupts 0, overruns 0, feed 0, hfree 0, sfree 0 [b:0/0/0|bs:0/0/0] ~ {hardware} -> feeder_root(0x00000000) -> {userland} File Versions: $FreeBSD: src/sys/dev/sound/isa/sndbuf_dma.c,v 1.3 2005/01/06 01:43:17 imp Exp $ $FreeBSD: src/sys/dev/sound/pcm/vchan.c,v 1.36 2007/06/16 03:37:28 ariff Exp $ $FreeBSD: src/sys/dev/sound/pcm/sound.c,v 1.119 2007/06/17 19:02:05 ariff Exp $ $FreeBSD: src/sys/dev/sound/pcm/sndstat.c,v 1.28 2007/06/16 03:37:28 ariff Exp $ $FreeBSD: src/sys/dev/sound/pcm/mixer.c,v 1.61 2007/06/16 03:37:28 ariff Exp $ $FreeBSD: src/sys/dev/sound/pcm/feeder_volume.c,v 1.6 2007/06/16 20:36:39 ariff Exp $ $FreeBSD: src/sys/dev/sound/pcm/feeder_rate.c,v 1.23 2007/06/16 03:37:28 ariff Exp $ $FreeBSD: src/sys/dev/sound/pcm/feeder_fmt.c,v 1.23 2007/06/02 13:07:44 joel Exp $ $FreeBSD: src/sys/dev/sound/pcm/feeder.c,v 1.44 2007/06/17 15:53:11 ariff Exp $ $FreeBSD: src/sys/dev/sound/pcm/fake.c,v 1.18 2007/03/15 18:19:01 ariff Exp $ $FreeBSD: src/sys/dev/sound/pcm/dsp.c,v 1.109 2008/05/27 02:16:05 ariff Exp $ $FreeBSD: src/sys/dev/sound/pcm/channel.c,v 1.122 2007/12/03 14:26:56 ariff Exp $ $FreeBSD: src/sys/dev/sound/pcm/buffer.c,v 1.37 2007/06/16 03:37:27 ariff Exp $ $FreeBSD: src/sys/dev/sound/pcm/ac97_patch.c,v 1.11 2007/10/26 20:49:23 ariff Exp $ $FreeBSD: src/sys/dev/sound/pcm/ac97.c,v 1.74 2007/10/26 20:49:59 ariff Exp $ | usbdevs -v | grep Headphone ~ port 2 addr 3: full speed, power 100 mA, config 1, C-Media USB Headphone Set(0x000c), vendor 0x0d8c(0x0d8c), rev 1.00 I would greatly like to get this headset working, so any hint is appreciatd! [1] http://www.trust.com/products/product_detail.aspx?item=14734 - -- Pietro Cerutti gahr@FreeBSD.org PGP Public Key: http://gahr.ch/pgp -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEAREKAAYFAkiO0rIACgkQwMJqmJVx944ARACgpKc/zooxB9muCOPS2FjAkkhv uxoAoL5DYVaDjKqlWuHiqu359q/2cC8x =21HV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 15:22:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E6BB106564A for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:22:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rodrigo@bebik.net) Received: from postfix1-g20.free.fr (postfix1-g20.free.fr [212.27.60.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45A808FC08 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:22:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rodrigo@bebik.net) Received: from smtp7-g19.free.fr (smtp7-g19.free.fr [212.27.42.64]) by postfix1-g20.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FEDA28C71E7 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:00:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp7-g19.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp7-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB0FB01FE for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:00:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hodja.bebik.net (gam75-4-82-235-223-127.fbx.proxad.net [82.235.223.127]) by smtp7-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1043B01CB for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:00:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: by hodja.bebik.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 134AB2847F; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:00:18 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:00:18 +0200 From: "Rodrigo OSORIO (ros)" To: hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080729150018.GB19987@hodja.bebik.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Subject: Problem with an rc script X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:22:25 -0000 Hi, I'm trying to deal with a rc script I'm writing to launch a deamon. I wrote it based on the hanbook rc script sample. It works pretty well but I have some (strange to me) warning message. Fisrt a short explanation about what i'm doing : The application is a python script deamon started by a shell script located in /usr/local/sbin/ntlmaps. The shell script launch the application and write the pid file if require So, the rc script (ntlmapsd) calls the shell script with the right arguments to start the application, then performs a 'kill -KILL' to stop it based on the pid file information. The thing is stopping the application I receive a message saying: ./ntlmapsd: WARNING: $command_interpreter -b != /bin/sh I put the two scripts in http:\\www.bebik.net\~rodrigo\rctest\ Thanks for your help Rodrigo From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 15:45:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE42F1065672 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:45:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from mx1.highperformance.net (s5.stradamotorsports.com [64.81.163.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A2108FC0A for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:45:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from w16.stradamotorsports.com (w16.stradamotorsports.com [192.168.1.16]) by mx1.highperformance.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6TEkK6U077024 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:46:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Message-ID: <488F2D48.1020501@highperformance.net> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:46:32 -0700 From: jcw@highperformance.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4pre (X11/20080205) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.4 required=2.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=failed version=3.1.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on s4.stradamotorsports.com Subject: Symbols in a Module X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:45:27 -0000 This is probably a n00b question for -hackers but it seems like the best place to ask. I am compiling an AFS module. The module won't load. Dmesg reports undefined symbol _vn_lock. nm reports that the symbol exists and is undefined. How do I compile (defined) symbols into my module? Thanks, Jason C. Wells From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 16:56:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEB32106567F for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:56:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asmodai@in-nomine.org) Received: from nexus.in-nomine.org (dhammapada.xs4all.nl [82.95.168.248]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DA1F8FC20 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:56:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asmodai@in-nomine.org) Received: from localhost (localhost.domini.in-nomine.org [127.0.0.1]) by nexus.in-nomine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C23ADCB4; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:56:37 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at in-nomine.org Received: from nexus.in-nomine.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nexus.domini.in-nomine.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p4w9H3abzuQe; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:56:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: by nexus.in-nomine.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 31713DCB1; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:56:36 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:56:36 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven To: jcw@highperformance.net Message-ID: <20080729165636.GL75307@nexus.in-nomine.org> References: <488F2D48.1020501@highperformance.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <488F2D48.1020501@highperformance.net> Organisation: Ninth Circle Enterprises User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Symbols in a Module X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:56:40 -0000 -On [20080729 17:46], jcw@highperformance.net (jcw@highperformance.net) wrote: >I am compiling an AFS module. The module won't load. Dmesg reports >undefined symbol _vn_lock. nm reports that the symbol exists and is >undefined. > >How do I compile (defined) symbols into my module? You add the appropriate source file or library. _vn_lock, sounds like sys/vnode.h, which in turn on 7-STABLE needs sys/kern/vfs_vnops.c. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B I am not a teacher but an awakener... From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 17:48:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4BC21065671 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:48:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail2.fluidhosting.com (mx23.fluidhosting.com [204.14.89.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ED588FC1B for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:48:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 3305 invoked by uid 399); 29 Jul 2008 17:22:14 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO lap.dougb.net) (dougb@dougbarton.us@127.0.0.1) by localhost with ESMTPAM; 29 Jul 2008 17:22:14 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-Sender: dougb@dougbarton.us Message-ID: <488F51C5.7000002@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:22:13 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080726) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Rodrigo OSORIO (ros)" References: <20080729150018.GB19987@hodja.bebik.net> In-Reply-To: <20080729150018.GB19987@hodja.bebik.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 OpenPGP: id=D5B2F0FB Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030006070104090301060305" Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with an rc script X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:48:55 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030006070104090301060305 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rodrigo OSORIO (ros) wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to deal with a rc script I'm writing to launch a deamon. > I wrote it based on the hanbook rc script sample. It works pretty > well but I have some (strange to me) warning message. Your script looks pretty good, but it needs a little work. :) I assume that you wrote this based on the handbook examples for the base. You should probably take a look at the one for ports too: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/rc-scripts.html > Fisrt a short explanation about what i'm doing : The application is > a python script deamon started by a shell script located in > /usr/local/sbin/ntlmaps. The shell script launch the application > and write the pid file if require > > So, the rc script (ntlmapsd) The name of the script, the $name value, and the REQUIRE: value should all match. So you should either name them all ntlmapsd, or ntlmaps. There is no conflict between the script name and the binary in /usr/local/sbin/, FYI. > calls the shell script with the right > arguments to start the application, then performs a 'kill -KILL' to > stop it based on the pid file information. > > The thing is stopping the application I receive a message saying: > ./ntlmapsd: WARNING: $command_interpreter -b != /bin/sh This is a tricky one because what you did looks totally reasonable since the script you're calling does use /bin/sh. However the command_interpreter value for rc.d needs to be what the _process_ is running, which in this case is /usr/local/bin/python. I've attached an example script that might work for you. Personally I would not make the pidfile stuff optional, in which case you could simplify things to the one in -v2. Whatever you decide, please test it thoroughly first. In addition to the web pages another good resource is to read through the comments in /etc/rc.subr. hth, Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection --------------030006070104090301060305 Content-Type: text/plain; name="ntlmaps" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="ntlmaps" #!/bin/sh # # PROVIDE: ntlmaps # REQUIRE: LOGIN # KEYWORD: shutdown # Add the following lines to /etc/rc.conf.local or /etc/rc.conf # to enable this service: # # ntlmaps_enable (bool): Set to NO by default. # Set it to YES to enable ntlmaps. # ntlmaps_nice (string): Set to -5 by default # ntlmaps_pidfile (path): Set to /var/run/ntlmaps.pid by default . /etc/rc.subr name="ntlmaps" rcvar=${name}_enable command="/usr/local/sbin/ntlmaps" command_interpreter="/usr/local/bin/python" load_rc_config $name ntlmaps_enable=${ntlmaps_enable-"NO"} ntlmaps_nice=${ntlmaps_nice-"-5"} ntlmaps_pidfile=${ntlmaps_pidfile-"/var/run/ntlmaps.pid"} if [ -n "$ntlmaps_pidfile" ]; then pidfile=${ntlmaps_pidfile} command_args="-b -p $pidfile" else command_args="-b" fi run_rc_command "$1" --------------030006070104090301060305 Content-Type: text/plain; name="ntlmaps-v2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="ntlmaps-v2" #!/bin/sh # # PROVIDE: ntlmaps # REQUIRE: LOGIN # KEYWORD: shutdown # Add the following lines to /etc/rc.conf.local or /etc/rc.conf # to enable this service: # # ntlmaps_enable (bool): Set to NO by default. # Set it to YES to enable ntlmaps. # ntlmaps_nice (string): Set to -5 by default . /etc/rc.subr name="ntlmaps" rcvar=${name}_enable command="/usr/local/sbin/ntlmaps" command_interpreter="/usr/local/bin/python" pidfile=/var/run/ntlmaps.pid command_args="-b -p $pidfile" load_rc_config $name ntlmaps_enable=${ntlmaps_enable-"NO"} ntlmaps_nice=${ntlmaps_nice-"-5"} run_rc_command "$1" --------------030006070104090301060305-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 22:43:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 350FD1065677; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:43:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from so14k@valentine.liquidneon.com) Received: from valentine.liquidneon.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:4830:2407:8000:230:48ff:fe71:c2a2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F818FC15; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:43:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from so14k@valentine.liquidneon.com) Received: by valentine.liquidneon.com (Postfix, from userid 1018) id A97768FDCB; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:43:27 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:43:27 -0600 From: Brad Davis To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20080729224327.GJ21955@valentine.liquidneon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-wip-status@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD Status Reports due August 5th, 2008 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:43:31 -0000 Hi Everyone, It is that time again. We would like to remind everybody who has exciting news to share to write a report about their project. This is a good way to improve exposure of your work, receive feedback and help. Looking forward to your reports. As always you can either use the template or the CGI generator and mail the output to monthly@ by Monday April 14th, 2008. http://www.freebsd.org/news/status/ http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/monthly.cgi http://www.freebsd.org/news/status/report-sample.xml Regards, Brad Davis From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 23:45:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 649E91065670; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:45:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from niclas.zeising@gmail.com) Received: from mxf2.bahnhof.se (mxf2.bahnhof.se [213.80.101.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1418C8FC13; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:45:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from niclas.zeising@gmail.com) Received: from localhost (mxf2.local [127.0.0.1]) by mxf2-reinject (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C1736BD060; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:15:51 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at bahnhof.se (MXF2) X-Spam-Score: 1.425 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.425 tagged_above=-99 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_12_24=1.247, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069] Received: from mxf2.bahnhof.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mxf2.bahnhof.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yK+6fw+SJ9a2; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:15:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (h-60-153.A163.cust.bahnhof.se [79.136.60.153]) by mxf2.bahnhof.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id E72246BD02B; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:15:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <488E5387.1030507@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:17:27 +0200 From: Niclas Zeising User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brad Davis References: <20080729224327.GJ21955@valentine.liquidneon.com> In-Reply-To: <20080729224327.GJ21955@valentine.liquidneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-wip-status@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Status Reports due August 5th, 2008 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:45:20 -0000 Brad Davis wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > It is that time again. We would like to remind everybody who has > exciting news to share to write a report about their project. This > is a good way to improve exposure of your work, receive feedback and > help. > > Looking forward to your reports. As always you can either use the > template or the CGI generator and mail the output to monthly@ by > Monday April 14th, 2008. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I assume you mean Friday August 5th, 2008? > > http://www.freebsd.org/news/status/ > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/monthly.cgi > http://www.freebsd.org/news/status/report-sample.xml > > Regards, > Brad Davis Regards //Niclas From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 23:55:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF3C11065673; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:55:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arne@rfc2549.org) Received: from mail.blinkt.de (mail.blinkt.de [88.198.169.219]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC0F8FC08; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:55:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arne@rfc2549.org) Received: from dslb-084-061-167-202.pools.arcor-ip.net ([84.61.167.202] helo=styx.local) by mail.blinkt.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1KNyO2-0000HH-P3; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:13:46 +0200 Message-ID: <488FA429.9090803@rfc2549.org> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:13:45 +0200 From: Arne Schwabe User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X; de; rv:1.8.1.16) Gecko/20080707 Thunderbird/2.0.0.16 Mnenhy/0.7.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brad Davis References: <20080729224327.GJ21955@valentine.liquidneon.com> In-Reply-To: <20080729224327.GJ21955@valentine.liquidneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Status Reports due August 5th, 2008 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:55:38 -0000 Brad Davis schrieb: > Hi Everyone, > > It is that time again. We would like to remind everybody who has > exciting news to share to write a report about their project. This > is a good way to improve exposure of your work, receive feedback and > help. > > Looking forward to your reports. As always you can either use the > template or the CGI generator and mail the output to monthly@ by > Monday April 14th, 2008. > =20 Could you loan me your time machine? *making puppy dog eyes* Arne From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 00:09:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D26106567E for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:09:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@ixsystems.com) Received: from smtp124.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (smtp124.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [69.147.64.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E0508FC1D for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:09:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@ixsystems.com) Received: (qmail 6133 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2008 23:42:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.84?) (syndivision@att.net@99.0.6.240 with plain) by smtp124.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2008 23:42:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-Id: From: Matt Olander To: Jeremy Messenger In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:42:23 -0700 References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: freebsd-hackers , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:09:06 -0000 On Jul 25, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Jeremy Messenger wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:34:32 -0500, Frank Mayhar > wrote: > >> My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, >> sigh, >> so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions >> from >> this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't >> read -mobile). >> >> My criteria: >> * 3D acceleration. >> * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it >> anyway). >> * At least 15" screen. >> * Decent power consumption. >> * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. >> >> Nice to have: >> * Dual core. >> * >4GB memory. >> * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my >> breath). >> >> So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it >> for >> the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after >> ordering/installing it. > > Maybe you can wait for this: > > http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html Hi everyone! I actually had our prototype of this laptop up at the OSCON show in Portland and it was pretty well received. Everything works for the most part although we're still tweaking some things for ACPI. I'll have one at the FreeBSD booth at LinuxWorld in San Francisco next week, August 5-7. We'll announce as soon as this thing is 100% and we're comfortable bringing the product line up as an item that we're comfortable supporting long term. Most likely, available to the general public in September. best, -matt > > > I didn't compare your requirements in there, thought. > > Cheers, > Mezz > > > -- > mezz7@cox.net - mezz@FreeBSD.org > FreeBSD GNOME Team > http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome/ - gnome@FreeBSD.org > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " -- Matt Olander CTO, iXsystems - "Servers for Open Source" http://www.iXsystems.com Public Relations, The FreeBSD Project http://www.FreeBSD.org BSD on the Desktop! http://www.pcbsd.org Phone: (408)943-4100 ext. 113 Fax: (408)943-4101 From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 04:21:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 829001065679; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:21:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from so14k@valentine.liquidneon.com) Received: from valentine.liquidneon.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:4830:2407:8000:230:48ff:fe71:c2a2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 608718FC0A; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:21:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from so14k@valentine.liquidneon.com) Received: by valentine.liquidneon.com (Postfix, from userid 1018) id C1CD28FDC7; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:21:37 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:21:37 -0600 From: Brad Davis To: Niclas Zeising Message-ID: <20080730042137.GL21955@valentine.liquidneon.com> References: <20080729224327.GJ21955@valentine.liquidneon.com> <488E5387.1030507@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <488E5387.1030507@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-wip-status@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Status Reports due August 5th, 2008 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:21:38 -0000 On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 01:17:27AM +0200, Niclas Zeising wrote: > Brad Davis wrote: > >Hi Everyone, > > > >It is that time again. We would like to remind everybody who has > >exciting news to share to write a report about their project. This > >is a good way to improve exposure of your work, receive feedback and > >help. > > > >Looking forward to your reports. As always you can either use the > >template or the CGI generator and mail the output to monthly@ by > >Monday April 14th, 2008. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > I assume you mean Friday August 5th, 2008? Of course you are right, that is what I get for hurrying. Regards, Brad Davis From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 05:03:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82472106564A for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:03:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asmodai@in-nomine.org) Received: from nexus.in-nomine.org (dhammapada.xs4all.nl [82.95.168.248]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 383B08FC15 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:03:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asmodai@in-nomine.org) Received: from localhost (localhost.domini.in-nomine.org [127.0.0.1]) by nexus.in-nomine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BFA6DCD0; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:03:02 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at in-nomine.org Received: from nexus.in-nomine.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nexus.domini.in-nomine.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kTTDKByCq25P; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:03:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: by nexus.in-nomine.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4249ADCCF; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:03:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:03:01 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven To: Brad Davis Message-ID: <20080730050301.GM75307@nexus.in-nomine.org> References: <20080729224327.GJ21955@valentine.liquidneon.com> <488E5387.1030507@gmail.com> <20080730042137.GL21955@valentine.liquidneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20080730042137.GL21955@valentine.liquidneon.com> Organisation: Ninth Circle Enterprises User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, Niclas Zeising , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-wip-status@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Status Reports due August 5th, 2008 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:03:03 -0000 -On [20080730 06:22], Brad Davis (brd@FreeBSD.org) wrote: >On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 01:17:27AM +0200, Niclas Zeising wrote: >> I assume you mean Friday August 5th, 2008? > >Of course you are right, that is what I get for hurrying. In my part of the world Friday in August is either the 1st or the 8th, but not the 5th. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B Stand before it - there is no beginning. Follow it and there is no end. Stay with the Tao, move with the present... From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 08:38:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD1EF106564A for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:38:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from niclas.zeising@gmail.com) Received: from po-out-1718.google.com (po-out-1718.google.com [72.14.252.156]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B229F8FC1B for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:38:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from niclas.zeising@gmail.com) Received: by po-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id c31so389842poi.3 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:38:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=YNCC3jQeVIp/NG2YM1u/GzLRoYbSYRLgVJqO0yBiDrg=; b=mdA8pf3kz5hlD3CUet/XfE2/SoTods1wgt0umeSBDno/pwILXUrW/25D/Fr8+C18Kh AwdJOohvmKMsXBUq1tfmnX8gZZXPe2K5quWbC5UnaiK3WNhsSnwmqpQQ2mvbutOTQ5S5 3bsXhXJCZvsKCr7wUJ5fJGNgIOi3tLAF6xi1U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=GA/1HVuuXUCH3t6bWE2N8+xhZqVpYLuILwQptAcChe3xFu6NJ3ErqunFNhcIBCiIfm +mKcRI+OvnOpy4qGjmHmsRL43322WUKwdG0QqwgtYW8Rh2tBkRnw2I20C07Wz88FNF1z CKC1UJ0xxC8PErDSgoNccrJwGhs1W2g13rqOI= Received: by 10.141.162.9 with SMTP id p9mr4000619rvo.68.1217406115351; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.202.19 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:21:55 +0200 From: "Niclas Zeising" To: "Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven" In-Reply-To: <20080730050301.GM75307@nexus.in-nomine.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080729224327.GJ21955@valentine.liquidneon.com> <488E5387.1030507@gmail.com> <20080730042137.GL21955@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20080730050301.GM75307@nexus.in-nomine.org> Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-wip-status@freebsd.org, Brad Davis Subject: Re: FreeBSD Status Reports due August 5th, 2008 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:38:02 -0000 On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 7:03 AM, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote: > -On [20080730 06:22], Brad Davis (brd@FreeBSD.org) wrote: >>On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 01:17:27AM +0200, Niclas Zeising wrote: >>> I assume you mean Friday August 5th, 2008? >> >>Of course you are right, that is what I get for hurrying. > > In my part of the world Friday in August is either the 1st or the 8th, but > not the 5th. > Of course you are right. 5th of August 2008 is a Tuesday. That is what I get for being up too late ;) Regards! //Niclas From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 09:38:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6583A106566B for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:38:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from samflanker@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.156]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED5248FC1A for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:38:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from samflanker@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so330602fgb.35 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:38:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZBa5ZZSYTJpzIZ8aRxot0tNWoo3KqUN7jpJwW1npEic=; b=RL5f8DAQpGd6tBo3hSLbiQAKDgZZpM7GP5kwUBStpW4E9LnmxGSQTX8novBb+drylq nyoaNSupEaKUF2wSN+SE2fs6RNb7xS8hpUR+Rns+5TBnC00exWauPtZvH4UdIrdqRCMX sZGBvanSqf471cDQK4LA5I5Ahd/qzfsajYcio= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=p2S+CGaB1Y2ktfkGXsVLobjQSxRks1kuW04Cc5y0VUygfe7u8eauMaQdjxP1pjnISM vcFGGY4RtdA4QKbVR0DFHnJ/zUd+jxRtrVqnW0gD6cLz6ho6tghtOaVp4TsfVpPF7DES 6KKMpx0ie7RtZ4/x3d9sGZaT/l+wkojeOt+hM= Received: by 10.86.90.2 with SMTP id n2mr4661960fgb.51.1217410726932; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:38:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.107? ( [213.152.137.38]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l19sm883613fgb.7.2008.07.30.02.38.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:38:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <489036A2.5060403@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:38:42 +0400 From: sam User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: consolekit on 7.0-STABLE i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:38:49 -0000 hello my trouble FreeBSD static 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #23: Mon Jul 28 18:10:51 MSD 2008 root@static:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/STATIC i386 ----------------------------top_output----------------------------- |874 root 17 0 0 8296K 2660K waitvt 1 0:00 0.00% console-kit-daemon| -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------vmstat_output--------------------------- | procs memory page disks faults cpu r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr ad4 ad6 in sy cs us sy id 0 19 0 1113M 29M 493 1 0 0 265 129 0 0 133 45119 4588 8 5 87 0 20 0 1113M 29M 249 0 2 0 3311 0 0 22 157 7872 2262 5 7 88 0 19 0 1113M 29M 346 0 0 0 148 0 0 0 110 78963 1793 4 9 87 0 19 0 1113M 29M 115 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 105 5743 1731 13 1 85 0 19 0 1113M 29M 318 0 0 0 138 0 0 0 108 78837 1732 3 10 87 0 19 0 1113M 29M 112 0 0 0 32 0 0 1 100 5549 1682 11 1 88 0 19 0 1113M 29M 297 0 0 0 136 0 0 2 122 78880 1749 6 7 87 |-------------------------------------------------------------------- consolekit in |waitvt state, influencing on high volumes in procs-b |please any solution? /Vladimir Ermakov From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 09:57:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74087106566C for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:57:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from neldredge@math.ucsd.edu) Received: from euclid.ucsd.edu (euclid.ucsd.edu [132.239.145.52]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B3258FC0A for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:57:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from neldredge@math.ucsd.edu) Received: from zeno.ucsd.edu (zeno.ucsd.edu [132.239.145.22]) by euclid.ucsd.edu (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id m6U9viB25001; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (neldredg@localhost) by zeno.ucsd.edu (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id m6U9vil29794; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:57:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: zeno.ucsd.edu: neldredg owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:57:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Nate Eldredge X-X-Sender: neldredg@zeno.ucsd.edu To: sam In-Reply-To: <489036A2.5060403@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <489036A2.5060403@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: consolekit on 7.0-STABLE i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:57:46 -0000 On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, sam wrote: > hello > > my trouble > > > FreeBSD static 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #23: Mon Jul 28 18:10:51 MSD > 2008 root@static:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/STATIC i386 > > > ----------------------------top_output----------------------------- > |874 root 17 0 0 8296K 2660K waitvt 1 0:00 0.00% > console-kit-daemon| > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------------------------vmstat_output--------------------------- > | procs memory page disks faults cpu > r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr ad4 ad6 in sy cs us sy > id > 0 19 0 1113M 29M 493 1 0 0 265 129 0 0 133 45119 4588 8 > 5 87 > 0 20 0 1113M 29M 249 0 2 0 3311 0 0 22 157 7872 2262 5 > 7 88 > 0 19 0 1113M 29M 346 0 0 0 148 0 0 0 110 78963 1793 4 > 9 87 > 0 19 0 1113M 29M 115 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 105 5743 1731 13 > 1 85 > 0 19 0 1113M 29M 318 0 0 0 138 0 0 0 108 78837 1732 3 > 10 87 > 0 19 0 1113M 29M 112 0 0 0 32 0 0 1 100 5549 1682 11 > 1 88 > 0 19 0 1113M 29M 297 0 0 0 136 0 0 2 122 78880 1749 6 > 7 87 > |-------------------------------------------------------------------- > > consolekit in |waitvt state, influencing on high volumes in procs-b I don't understand what the problem is. It looks like consolekit is sleeping and not using any CPU. "waitvt" just indicates where in the kernel it's sleeping. I don't understand what you mean by "high volumes in procs-b". -- Nate Eldredge neldredge@math.ucsd.edu From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 12:24:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5681065675 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:24:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml.freebsd.hackers@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBC868FC16 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:24:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml.freebsd.hackers@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so498028rvf.43 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:24:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=YDIZimpyKtYfNXeFnvg3XikNLcadPByUSS4XIO7pcyU=; b=Lq3++hoAoH0yoc1FJvP92pbJBAN6G/09K4BFjAeGkIqqgaAigOYDjgAVqWHNnEz0El HL9ixSC8raLtssQHkaeh2E316fOQGkGp6C4T1HgZO9VzsQJhQp0gkCUkzkVluqTlLuhB RK1DTtEE6H7OZxDTS+gstjhrlVOMIc2F7O2Sk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=uKe/MiXtq6q+EVDmWN/o+VzdCFpT7PNFTON90vRFrBM1rl72TsV/Ov7iaLpuVGm6NL nIxTkkq8+98gX3JsC4mDeppGoALJpwn8f4/W1BjbSNYEFAt6b0z4/hEnHD3pkxUdBuZq h29IwPLh3oyUik1xp+5ELuGIfBdK+kJv9ZQzo= Received: by 10.141.28.4 with SMTP id f4mr4136972rvj.35.1217419194824; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:59:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.115.8 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:59:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <591f70e00807300459j74aac11eob0bea7cdf4b4dcd4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:59:53 -0400 From: "FreeBSD Hackers" To: "FreeBSD Hackers" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: General questions about virtual memory X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:24:29 -0000 Hi, all. I apologize for not posting a question specific to FreeBSD (I'll study about that later), but I'm looking for some help understanding a few things and I don't know where else to turn. Using FreeBSD to give me concrete examples of how certain things work is okay, since I do use FreeBSD and I intend to read and study books covering the design and implementation of FreeBSD. I recently picked up one of my old college textbooks, "Modern Operating Systems" (Tanenbaum, an older edition, but I'm not sure which one since the book is at home and I am not) with a strong desire to read it cover-to-cover and get a solid foundation of the concepts described therein. The chapter on virtual memory has left me with some questions, and if anyone would be willing to help me understand (either on or off list) a few things that aren't clear, I would very much appreciate it. Examples of some specific questions that I have include: WRT translation of virtual addresses to physical addresses, where does the hardware stop and the software begin? Explanation: who determines the format of the page tables (CPU or OS)? Who populates and maintains the page tables? Where does the translation lookaside buffer reside? Who maintains the TLB? Also WRT page tables, how does the OS and the MMU adjust for different sizes of physical RAM? Wouldn't the page tables for a system with 512 MB of RAM will be fewer than the page tables for a system with 2 GB of RAM? How does the CPU know how many page table entries there are? I have a few more questions, but for starters this is the kind of information I'm seeking. I'm just not getting a clear enough picture from the textbook I'm reading now. (It makes me wish I was still in college so I could dump my questions on my college professor. :) If anyone is willing to help me understand this, I would greatly appreciate it. I would also value your input if there are other resources (people, mailing lists, books, web pages, etc.) that you want to recommend instead of taking some time to help teach me. Thank you, Kevin From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 13:15:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70D031065680 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:15:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC688FC1B for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:15:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 669AF20A3; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:15:14 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven References: <488F2D48.1020501@highperformance.net> <20080729165636.GL75307@nexus.in-nomine.org> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:15:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20080729165636.GL75307@nexus.in-nomine.org> (Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven's message of "Tue\, 29 Jul 2008 18\:56\:36 +0200") Message-ID: <863alr4iou.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, jcw@highperformance.net Subject: Re: Symbols in a Module X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:15:16 -0000 Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven writes: > jcw@highperformance.net wrote: > > I am compiling an AFS module. The module won't load. Dmesg reports > > undefined symbol _vn_lock. nm reports that the symbol exists and is > > undefined. > > > > How do I compile (defined) symbols into my module? > > You add the appropriate source file or library. > > _vn_lock, sounds like sys/vnode.h, which in turn on 7-STABLE needs > sys/kern/vfs_vnops.c. Wrong answer; vn_lock is already in the kernel. The problem lies somewhere else, but there isn't enough information to figure out where. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 13:17:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11FB6106564A for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:17:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E6E8FC0C for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:17:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD1C4208E; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:17:01 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Matt Olander References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:17:01 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Matt Olander's message of "Tue\, 29 Jul 2008 16\:42\:23 -0700") Message-ID: <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Jeremy Messenger , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:17:04 -0000 Matt Olander writes: > [re http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html] Will it be available with a big FreeBSD logo on the lid? :) DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 13:36:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5241E1065677 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:36:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from max@love2party.net) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.174]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E00C38FC28 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:36:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from max@love2party.net) Received: from vampire.homelinux.org (dslb-088-064-179-170.pools.arcor-ip.net [88.64.179.170]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKxQS-1KOBqp48bc-0001qu; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:36:24 +0200 Received: (qmail 25450 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 13:36:23 -0000 Received: from fbsd8.laiers.local (192.168.4.151) by router.laiers.local with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 13:36:23 -0000 From: Max Laier Organization: FreeBSD To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:36:22 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.52 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.0.83; i386; ; ) References: <591f70e00807300459j74aac11eob0bea7cdf4b4dcd4@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <591f70e00807300459j74aac11eob0bea7cdf4b4dcd4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200807301536.23274.max@love2party.net> X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19y5j+W0mioxmOB6dSWctC5/bSSlUFOa0veF3J BmCXCBIZb5tKCH90GF7NHBDtH3unTqEd1pcVx2aCa1g676LYs1 XI2fxUJlW/JMNUCl4YBOg== Cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: General questions about virtual memory X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:36:26 -0000 Hi, On Wednesday 30 July 2008 13:59:53 FreeBSD Hackers wrote: > Examples of some specific questions that I have include: > > WRT translation of virtual addresses to physical addresses, where does the > hardware stop and the software begin? Explanation: who determines the > format of the page tables (CPU or OS)? Who populates and maintains the > page tables? Where does the translation lookaside buffer reside? Who > maintains the TLB? it depends ... different architectures use different models. In i386 most of the above is done by hardware aided by software (i.e. the software has to flush the hardware TLB when it knows that the entries are no longer up to date ...) > Also WRT page tables, how does the OS and the MMU adjust for different > sizes of physical RAM? Wouldn't the page tables for a system with 512 MB > of RAM will be fewer than the page tables for a system with 2 GB of RAM? > How does the CPU know how many page table entries there are? This suggest that you don't understand virtual memory at all. Go back to the start of the chapter and re-read. The page directories and page tables describe a *virtual* address space. For a given architecture the *virtual* address space has a fixed size (4GB for i386), so the page table structure is always the same size (though it might be sparsely populated). Inside the page table you store *physical* addresses, the size of which is defined by the hardware. Also note that the physical addresses of your RAM might not necessarily start at zero and go for XX MB ... you need additional bookkeeping to track that (see core map, free lists, ...). The size of the PTE is defined by hardware and doesn't change at runtime. > I have a few more questions, but for starters this is the kind of > information I'm seeking. I'm just not getting a clear enough picture from > the textbook I'm reading now. (It makes me wish I was still in college so > I could dump my questions on my college professor. :) > > If anyone is willing to help me understand this, I would greatly appreciate > it. I would also value your input if there are other resources (people, > mailing lists, books, web pages, etc.) that you want to recommend instead > of taking some time to help teach me. google, wikipedia, the FreeBSD articles, ... all there at your fingertips. -- /"\ Best regards, | mlaier@freebsd.org \ / Max Laier | ICQ #67774661 X http://pf4freebsd.love2party.net/ | mlaier@EFnet / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML Mail and News From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 16:07:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E7C1065674 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:07:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml.freebsd.hackers@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9975F8FC21 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:07:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml.freebsd.hackers@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so115278rvf.43 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:07:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=ZzZM9XUsM4n1kY4j8PfVm8LCpcVoxkiHFbL1m+Pie9g=; b=XEBq28BX5EgMWKpVLq1wclgg6nMtfUWmBCvSHHpW/KyeFMVz2KsT0jcLj/4TFP2sGG XPbr2QrtPLSv+HGDyX7sRi6HLKsfGnFmQzqSGl/OPi4Gul6XP9AMNOCAmGP21QMoHMPw MA4QosxHpq7nKdTK5jtZPMtaL48BhmhkYx8dE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=SWa25xBqXfQfACZ8y4n90MX93VX6gyciMG3qGv/wCnVewit1VoiMIqcS0xn011F+xJ WtBs/dU/MN9Agflc7NZQIfKMyOuipm9OnwTsi4OXy0yYhHAkZypUXbjK4PAqUmuCJPCN n8LfPMQ6aURriXMT58ImGytZ+nxxmdDOccIhQ= Received: by 10.140.170.12 with SMTP id s12mr4473763rve.101.1217434071136; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.115.8 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <591f70e00807300907n1a0585efr455bf1f8fc60b4e8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:07:51 -0400 From: "FreeBSD Hackers" To: "Max Laier" In-Reply-To: <200807301536.23274.max@love2party.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <591f70e00807300459j74aac11eob0bea7cdf4b4dcd4@mail.gmail.com> <200807301536.23274.max@love2party.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: General questions about virtual memory X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:07:51 -0000 > > This suggest that you don't understand virtual memory at all. Go back to > the > start of the chapter and re-read. The page directories and page tables > describe a *virtual* address space. For a given architecture the *virtual* > address space has a fixed size (4GB for i386), so the page table structure > is > always the same size (though it might be sparsely populated). Inside the > page Ack! As soon as I read this I realized the mistake I had made in my thinking. This was a dumb question, and I knew better than to ask. Somehow I had confused myself. ----- 8< ----- If a read request is made to a virtual address who's data has been swapped out, the CPU traps to the OS to fix the problem. Assuming there are no free page frames for the new data, a page frame is selected and evicted to make room for the new page. Whatever page was chosen belongs to a process somewhere in the system. When that page frame gets swapped, the PTE pointing to that page frame must be updated to indicate that that data is no longer in RAM. How does the OS find that PTE? Does it search through every entry of every page table for every process in the system until it finds it? Kevin From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 16:17:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B726A106564A for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:17:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1578FC1A for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:17:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from c83-253-25-183.bredband.comhem.se ([83.253.25.183]:63067 helo=falcon.midgard.homeip.net) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KOE8X-0002cW-9O for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:02:50 +0200 Received: (qmail 27060 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 18:02:47 +0200 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with ESMTP; 30 Jul 2008 18:02:47 +0200 Received: (qmail 51108 invoked by uid 1001); 30 Jul 2008 18:02:47 +0200 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:02:46 +0200 From: Erik Trulsson To: FreeBSD Hackers Message-ID: <20080730160246.GA51014@owl.midgard.homeip.net> References: <591f70e00807300459j74aac11eob0bea7cdf4b4dcd4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <591f70e00807300459j74aac11eob0bea7cdf4b4dcd4@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Originating-IP: 83.253.25.183 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1KOE8X-0002cW-9O. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1KOE8X-0002cW-9O 63a38a4975c4272a19a51cabd62bcab4 Cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: General questions about virtual memory X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:17:51 -0000 On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 07:59:53AM -0400, FreeBSD Hackers wrote: > Hi, all. I apologize for not posting a question specific to FreeBSD (I'll > study about that later), but I'm looking for some help understanding a few > things and I don't know where else to turn. Using FreeBSD to give me > concrete examples of how certain things work is okay, since I do use FreeBSD > and I intend to read and study books covering the design and implementation > of FreeBSD. > > I recently picked up one of my old college textbooks, "Modern Operating > Systems" (Tanenbaum, an older edition, but I'm not sure which one since the > book is at home and I am not) with a strong desire to read it cover-to-cover > and get a solid foundation of the concepts described therein. The chapter > on virtual memory has left me with some questions, and if anyone would be > willing to help me understand (either on or off list) a few things that > aren't clear, I would very much appreciate it. You could try picking up one of Tanenbaum's other books: "Structured Computer Organization", which among other things cover virtual memory from a hardware perspective. (At least my copy does. It is the third edition, which is not the latest.) > > Examples of some specific questions that I have include: > > WRT translation of virtual addresses to physical addresses, where does the > hardware stop and the software begin? Explanation: who determines the > format of the page tables (CPU or OS)? Who populates and maintains the page > tables? Where does the translation lookaside buffer reside? Who maintains > the TLB? It can vary a bit between different architectures, but in general the format of the page tables is determined by the CPU. The TLB is located inside the CPU (so it can be accessed quickly, it is after all just a specialized cache.) The page tables are normally populated and maintained by the OS, the CPU just reads them. The TLB is typically maintained in hardware, but there are systems where it has to be updated by the OS. > > Also WRT page tables, how does the OS and the MMU adjust for different sizes > of physical RAM? Wouldn't the page tables for a system with 512 MB of RAM > will be fewer than the page tables for a system with 2 GB of RAM? How does > the CPU know how many page table entries there are? The page tables are typically used for mapping between virtual and physical addresses (and also for access rights to the mapped memory). This means that the size of the page table depends primarily on the size of the virtual memory which is not dependent on the actual RAM installed. The page tables are typically a tree-like structure, where the top level is a fairly small (typically one page) fixed-size array which contains pointers to the next level of the page table. In that level there are either yet another array of entries each of which is either a pointer to another level, or a page descriptor. You walk down the tree until you either find a descriptor for the page you are looking for or an entry saying that pages further down that branch has not been allocated. How many levels there are is system dependent. IIRC the i386 only uses a two-level format (three levels when using PAE), while the Motorola 68030 could have as many as seven levels. > > I have a few more questions, but for starters this is the kind of > information I'm seeking. I'm just not getting a clear enough picture from > the textbook I'm reading now. (It makes me wish I was still in college so I > could dump my questions on my college professor. :) > > If anyone is willing to help me understand this, I would greatly appreciate > it. I would also value your input if there are other resources (people, > mailing lists, books, web pages, etc.) that you want to recommend instead of > taking some time to help teach me. You could try picking up one of Tanenbaum's other books: "Structured Computer Organization", which among other things cover virtual memory from a hardware perspective, including examples for how the page tables are organized for a couple of example architectures. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 16:33:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B821065680; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:33:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ap@bnc.net) Received: from mailomat.net (mailomat.net [81.20.89.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A32D8FC1A; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:33:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ap@bnc.net) X-Mailomat-SpamCatcher-Score: 50 [XX] X-Mailomat-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Received: from [194.39.192.125] (account bnc-mail@mailrelay.mailomat.net HELO bnc.net) by mailomat.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.0) with ESMTPSA id 47380045; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:33:24 +0200 X-SpamCatcher-Score: 50 [XX] Received: from [194.39.192.126] (account ap HELO wasabi.wlan.bnc.net) by bnc.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.5) with ESMTPSA id 3283472; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:27:23 +0200 Message-Id: From: Achim Patzner To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= In-Reply-To: <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-753757087; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:27:21 +0200 References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-hackers , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:33:27 -0000 --Apple-Mail-2-753757087 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am 30.07.2008 um 15:17 schrieb Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav: > Matt Olander writes: >> [re http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html] > Will it be available with a big FreeBSD logo on the lid? :) If you need something like that, a partially eaten white apple would be much more appropriate anyway. (Which reminds me - I didn't understand the motivation behind the original question either... Even more and more Linux users are giving up running it on their Macs, installing Mac OS instead. Looks contagious...) Achim --Apple-Mail-2-753757087-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 16:40:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C238A1065675; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:40:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 884D58FC22; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:40:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 066B120A3; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:40:13 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Achim Patzner References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:40:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Achim Patzner's message of "Wed\, 30 Jul 2008 17\:27\:21 +0200") Message-ID: <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-hackers , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:40:15 -0000 Achim Patzner writes: > Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav writes: > > Matt Olander writes: > > > [re http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html] > > Will it be available with a big FreeBSD logo on the lid? :) > If you need something like that, a partially eaten white apple would > be much more appropriate anyway. (Which reminds me - I didn't > understand the motivation behind the original question either... Even > more and more Linux users are giving up running it on their Macs, > installing Mac OS instead. Looks contagious...) I don't understand what Macs have to do with this - we're talking about iX Systems's made-for-BSD laptop. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 17:28:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8AA51065670 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:28:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from max@love2party.net) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F7C48FC16 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:28:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from max@love2party.net) Received: from vampire.homelinux.org (dslb-088-064-179-170.pools.arcor-ip.net [88.64.179.170]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu7) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML2xA-1KOFTV3OjT-0004vc; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:28:34 +0200 Received: (qmail 28614 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 17:28:33 -0000 Received: from fbsd8.laiers.local (192.168.4.151) by laiers.local with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 17:28:33 -0000 From: Max Laier Organization: FreeBSD To: "FreeBSD Hackers" Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:28:32 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.52 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.0.83; i386; ; ) References: <591f70e00807300459j74aac11eob0bea7cdf4b4dcd4@mail.gmail.com> <200807301536.23274.max@love2party.net> <591f70e00807300907n1a0585efr455bf1f8fc60b4e8@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <591f70e00807300907n1a0585efr455bf1f8fc60b4e8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200807301928.32940.max@love2party.net> X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18/wMkS70Jpn3ynq8x5brOb43RH7Q9tT3zlSDW ESKrbxU59NXq+D845T+vk1wq1pdHvPtSEuGFKviB6vkapfAACR 08SX7gWv5nN/kv+oYM2dA== Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: General questions about virtual memory X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:28:35 -0000 On Wednesday 30 July 2008 18:07:51 FreeBSD Hackers wrote: > > This suggest that you don't understand virtual memory at all. Go back to > > the > > start of the chapter and re-read. The page directories and page tables > > describe a *virtual* address space. For a given architecture the > > *virtual* address space has a fixed size (4GB for i386), so the page > > table structure is > > always the same size (though it might be sparsely populated). Inside the > > page > > Ack! As soon as I read this I realized the mistake I had made in my > thinking. This was a dumb question, and I knew better than to ask. > Somehow I had confused myself. > > ----- 8< ----- > > If a read request is made to a virtual address who's data has been swapped > out, the CPU traps to the OS to fix the problem. Assuming there are no > free page frames for the new data, a page frame is selected and evicted to > make room for the new page. Whatever page was chosen belongs to a process > somewhere in the system. When that page frame gets swapped, the PTE > pointing to that page frame must be updated to indicate that that data is > no longer in RAM. How does the OS find that PTE? Does it search through > every entry of every page table for every process in the system until it > finds it? You should have quoted (and I suppose read) my entire message: > .. you need additional bookkeeping > to track that (see core map, free lists, ...) Wikipedia really does a good job explaining all this. -- /"\ Best regards, | mlaier@freebsd.org \ / Max Laier | ICQ #67774661 X http://pf4freebsd.love2party.net/ | mlaier@EFnet / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML Mail and News From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 18:09:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E6F106567C for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:09:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from neldredge@math.ucsd.edu) Received: from euclid.ucsd.edu (euclid.ucsd.edu [132.239.145.52]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CBE58FC1D for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:09:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from neldredge@math.ucsd.edu) Received: from zeno.ucsd.edu (zeno.ucsd.edu [132.239.145.22]) by euclid.ucsd.edu (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id m6UI9eB10904; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:09:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (neldredg@localhost) by zeno.ucsd.edu (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id m6UI9en13203; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:09:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: zeno.ucsd.edu: neldredg owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:09:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Nate Eldredge X-X-Sender: neldredg@zeno.ucsd.edu To: FreeBSD Hackers In-Reply-To: <591f70e00807300459j74aac11eob0bea7cdf4b4dcd4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <591f70e00807300459j74aac11eob0bea7cdf4b4dcd4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: General questions about virtual memory X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:09:41 -0000 On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, FreeBSD Hackers wrote: > If anyone is willing to help me understand this, I would greatly appreciate > it. I would also value your input if there are other resources (people, > mailing lists, books, web pages, etc.) that you want to recommend instead of > taking some time to help teach me. As a slightly less orthodox suggestion, I learned a lot of this from the "practice" side rather than the "theory" side, and it seems like maybe this is where some of your questions lie. In addition to a textbook, you might find it useful to get a copy of the manual for your favorite CPU, which will explain, at the level of assembly language, how all these features work. (They are usually available free on the manufacturer's website, though you may have to hunt around a bit or register for a developer program or something.) You can read it in conjunction with the FreeBSD kernel source to see an actual example. I found this approach very instructive. -- Nate Eldredge neldredge@math.ucsd.edu From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 18:40:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 074B51065679 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:40:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from v.haisman@sh.cvut.cz) Received: from service2.sh.cvut.cz (service2.sh.cvut.cz [IPv6:2001:718:2:0:217:a4ff:fe3f:b3d4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09AD58FC1B for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:40:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from v.haisman@sh.cvut.cz) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by service2.sh.cvut.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D321379B9; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:40:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from service2.sh.cvut.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (service2.sh.cvut.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11247-05; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:40:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (r4v24.net.upc.cz [84.42.149.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by service2.sh.cvut.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39BE8137711; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:40:27 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4890B595.5060103@sh.cvut.cz> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:40:21 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?VsOhY2xhdiBIYWlzbWFu?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigF1F8DFE39962BB47C8048419" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at service2.sh.cvut.cz X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 tagged_above=-255.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL, CRM114_HAM_00, JR_RCVD_TOO_FEW_HOPS X-Spam-Level: Subject: Locale woes. X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:40:38 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigF1F8DFE39962BB47C8048419 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080600030000050507010807" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080600030000050507010807 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I have some problem with locales on FreeBSD 6.3. The attached test case f= ails=20 with uncaught std::runtime_error exception: shell::wilx:~/tmp> locale LANG=3Den_US.UTF-8 LC_CTYPE=3D"en_US.UTF-8" LC_COLLATE=3D"en_US.UTF-8" LC_TIME=3D"en_US.UTF-8" LC_NUMERIC=3D"en_US.UTF-8" LC_MONETARY=3D"en_US.UTF-8" LC_MESSAGES=3D"en_US.UTF-8" LC_ALL=3D shell::wilx:~/tmp> ./codecvt_test "abcd=C5=A0<" terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::runtime_error' what(): locale::facet::_S_create_c_locale name not valid zsh: abort (core dumped) ./codecvt_test "abcd=C5=A0<" shell::wilx:~/tmp> locale -a |grep en_US.UTF-8 en_US.UTF-8 I don't understand why? 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:20:35 -0000 --Apple-Mail-9-771343582 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am 30.07.2008 um 18:40 schrieb Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav: > I don't understand what Macs have to do with this - we're talking =20 > about > iX Systems's made-for-BSD laptop. The thread started with someone asking for a mobile computer that would support FreeBSD sufficiently and nobody came up with something fitting the bill (and being available somewhere). Considering the picture you're seeing at any place where more than two hardcore Unix users assemble you're seeing a majority of Macs. There has to be an obvious reason for that... I tried to break that habit more than once but right now the only comfortable way of running FreeBSD on a laptop is VMware Fusion on a Mac. Reading this entire thread convinced me even more. Achim --Apple-Mail-9-771343582-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 20:50:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CFAE106566B for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:50:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from llc2w@virginia.edu) Received: from fork10.mail.virginia.edu (fork10.mail.Virginia.EDU [128.143.2.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 408098FC0A for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:50:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from llc2w@virginia.edu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fork10.mail.virginia.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF63A1F5151 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:31:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fork10.mail.virginia.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (fork10.mail.virginia.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03814-02 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:31:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.159]) by fork10.mail.virginia.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0164A1F4FE1 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 19so111920fgg.4 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.92.7 with SMTP id p7mr5258283fgb.72.1217449870298; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.90.20 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <792298050807301331g37cc20a3of90ef7b7d2c94a17@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:31:10 -0400 From: "L Campbell" To: "Achim Patzner" In-Reply-To: <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> X-UVA-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at fork10.mail.virginia.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:50:41 -0000 > right now the only comfortable way of running FreeBSD on a laptop is VMware Fusion on a Mac. It depends on what you consider to be "comfortable". My primary machine is an old Dell Inspiron 6000 (running the RELENG_7 branch) and the only hardware compatibility issue I've ever had was that suspend/hibernate doesn't work (display doesn't come back on). I'm much more comfortable with ignorable ACPI issues on old (but perfectly capable) hardware than running everything through a VM on a brand new top-of-the-line machine. While this message is entirely anecdotal, I'm sure there are quite a few other people happily running FreeBSD on a variety of machines (albeit, somewhat aged hardware) which doesn't come near the specifications outlined in the original post. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 21:04:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 074CE106567A for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:04:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joerg@britannica.bec.de) Received: from www.pkgsrc-box.org (www.ostsee-abc.de [62.206.222.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEBDF8FC26 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:04:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joerg@britannica.bec.de) Received: from britannica.bec.de (www.pkgsrc-box.org [127.0.0.1]) by www.pkgsrc-box.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76CCCEDAEEE for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:04:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by britannica.bec.de (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C2AFC8072; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:04:38 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:04:38 +0200 From: Joerg Sonnenberger To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080730210437.GA14701@britannica.bec.de> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> <792298050807301331g37cc20a3of90ef7b7d2c94a17@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <792298050807301331g37cc20a3of90ef7b7d2c94a17@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:04:45 -0000 On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 04:31:10PM -0400, L Campbell wrote: > It depends on what you consider to be "comfortable". My primary machine is > an old Dell Inspiron 6000 (running the RELENG_7 branch) and the only > hardware compatibility issue I've ever had was that suspend/hibernate > doesn't work (display doesn't come back on). vbetool post? Joerg From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 21:50:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8DD3106567B for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:50:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from v.haisman@sh.cvut.cz) Received: from service2.sh.cvut.cz (service2.sh.cvut.cz [IPv6:2001:718:2:0:217:a4ff:fe3f:b3d4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B418FC0C for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:50:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from v.haisman@sh.cvut.cz) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by service2.sh.cvut.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21C64137740; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:50:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from service2.sh.cvut.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (service2.sh.cvut.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16705-08; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:50:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (r4v24.net.upc.cz [84.42.149.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by service2.sh.cvut.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA31013771C; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:50:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4890E215.2020304@sh.cvut.cz> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:50:13 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?VsOhY2xhdiBIYWlzbWFu?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers References: <4890B595.5060103@sh.cvut.cz> In-Reply-To: <4890B595.5060103@sh.cvut.cz> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigB6AAC730A6643A36B60CFC04" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at service2.sh.cvut.cz X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 tagged_above=-255.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL, CRM114_HAM_00, JR_RCVD_TOO_FEW_HOPS X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Locale woes. X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:50:26 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigB6AAC730A6643A36B60CFC04 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable V=C3=A1clav Haisman wrote, On 30.7.2008 20:40: > Hi, > I have some problem with locales on FreeBSD 6.3. The attached test case= =20 > fails with uncaught std::runtime_error exception: [...] I am able to run the test case successfuly when I compile it with STLport= =2E So=20 it seems there is something odd going on with just the libstdc++ that shi= ps=20 with GCC. On the other hand, it works fine with GCC 4.1.2 on Gentoo/Linux= =2E -- wilx --------------enigB6AAC730A6643A36B60CFC04 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) iFYEAREIAAYFAkiQ4h0ACgkQhQBMvHf/WHlHRwDeLA/8Kr1EB3QJITH2RgNm+L6k K57Eg8H64BnFSQDff2nrOL7jiAZSrzl+a57UT+corFQczgvelnsWSQ== =L6ck -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigB6AAC730A6643A36B60CFC04-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 21:58:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E018E1065670; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:58:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from postal1.es.net (postal4.es.net [198.124.252.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A658FC25; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:58:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from postal1.es.net (postal3.es.net [198.128.3.207]) by postal4.es.net (Postal Node 4) with ESMTP (SSL) id KCZ59716; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:47:16 -0700 Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [198.128.4.29]) by postal3.es.net (Postal Node 3) with ESMTP (SSL) id KCZ70315; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:47:15 -0700 Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id 7F8C74500E; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:47:15 -0700 (PDT) To: Achim Patzner In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:20:28 +0200." <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1217454435_64117P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:47:15 -0700 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20080730214715.7F8C74500E@ptavv.es.net> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:27:50 +0000 Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:58:45 -0000 --==_Exmh_1217454435_64117P Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Id: <86769.1217454367.1@ptavv.es.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > From: Achim Patzner > Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:20:28 +0200 > Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org > = > Am 30.07.2008 um 18:40 schrieb Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav: > > I don't understand what Macs have to do with this - we're talking = > > about > > iX Systems's made-for-BSD laptop. > = > The thread started with someone asking for a mobile computer that > would support FreeBSD sufficiently and nobody came up with something > fitting the bill (and being available somewhere). Considering the > picture you're seeing at any place where more than two hardcore Unix > users assemble you're seeing a majority of Macs. There has to be an > obvious reason for that... I tried to break that habit more than once > but right now the only comfortable way of running FreeBSD on a laptop > is VMware Fusion on a Mac. Reading this entire thread convinced me > even more. I have been running for the last two years in a ThinkPad T43 and it works fine. ATI graphics work well as does everything except the modem. Since I don't have any access to any dialup network service any more, I don't think I care, although I do carry an old PCMCIA modem card, just in case. Suspend also does not work reliably, but I don't normally suspend my system, anyway, so I don't notice that, either. Atheros wireless, Broadcomm Ethernet, graphics, DRI, USB all just work and have worked since V6.1 days. That said, I suspect that my next laptop with be a Mac with either VMware or Parallels, My wife already runs one and it's pretty nice. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 --==_Exmh_1217454435_64117P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.5 06/03/2002 iD8DBQFIkOFjkn3rs5h7N1ERAs1VAKC0WfqVOy+cGRPcpIkqLMjz+2nDlACcCIGU CxipZsgpVP7Nb/Rwy05MgC8= =Pzdh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1217454435_64117P-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 22:35:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DA731065672 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:35:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mjguzik@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.251]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 561408FC1F for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:35:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mjguzik@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b33so348131ana.13 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:35:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=/N72ez1Hk36HH3XKEWmB2W19PFK9xXL+dtUnlINUBIE=; b=lQBoOGN5LAFuUvZt4EJzWyJoJxbwmJbrdALskbUyblZrwsjGg0hciWOHJM1X+epfh+ BznWe145IodbJqSaEEJllny2WlQx4ymL7asEgFGUpWz17EFfFwCLM83atPgevy5sBqmK fPqmWjenYUf5ydqs9umq+mEqVOIM9jCvE+Hc8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=NzKXdQouuWXui8nEHBsoQbmQENvmv4TZvsPOToQ8qtBU5rX8OUnmBYQIAFnMp8um1i dAoaDgCaZoqXe89fPCeC4ReJ5sVw+4C6HbRvB4N4a9xKiv92wyfwAYCFdmisblv9nCdo Yo1klB/ef3lCtSqiSMU6SHutyRVEELGPh8IXc= Received: by 10.100.163.8 with SMTP id l8mr13646273ane.138.1217457340494; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.42.12 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:35:40 +0200 From: "Mateusz Guzik" To: "Matt Olander" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> Cc: Jeremy Messenger , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:35:41 -0000 2008/7/30 Matt Olander : > On Jul 25, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Jeremy Messenger wrote: > >> Maybe you can wait for this: >> >> http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html > > Hi everyone! I actually had our prototype of this laptop up at the OSCON > show in Portland and it was pretty well received. > Everything works for the most part although we're still tweaking some things > for ACPI. > > I'll have one at the FreeBSD booth at LinuxWorld in San Francisco next week, > August 5-7. We'll announce as soon as this thing is 100% and we're > comfortable bringing the product line up as an item that we're comfortable > supporting long term. Most likely, available to the general public in > September. > Any chances it will be available with trackpoint instead of touchpad? :) Thanks, -- Mateusz Guzik From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 22:42:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 086B01065689 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:42:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from outR.internet-mail-service.net (outr.internet-mail-service.net [216.240.47.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E89198FC21 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:42:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from idiom.com (mx0.idiom.com [216.240.32.160]) by out.internet-mail-service.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5176624B5; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:42:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from julian-mac.elischer.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by idiom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F7A2D6043; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:42:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4890EE56.2090202@elischer.org> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:42:30 -0700 From: Julian Elischer User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Olander References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hackers , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:42:12 -0000 Matt Olander wrote: >> >> http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html > > Hi everyone! I actually had our prototype of this laptop up at the OSCON > show in Portland and it was pretty well received. > Everything works for the most part although we're still tweaking some > things for ACPI. > > I'll have one at the FreeBSD booth at LinuxWorld in San Francisco next > week, August 5-7. We'll announce as soon as this thing is 100% and we're > comfortable bringing the product line up as an item that we're > comfortable supporting long term. Most likely, available to the general > public in September. > > best, > -matt > > ooooh nice! battery life? From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 23:34:17 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F14E1065680 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:34:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@ixsystems.com) Received: from smtp115.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com (smtp115.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.96.88]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BBF9E8FC0A for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:34:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@ixsystems.com) Received: (qmail 19064 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 23:07:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 70-1-128-11.area1.spcsdns.net) (syndivision@att.net@70.1.128.11 with plain) by smtp115.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 23:07:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: P29P5J4VM1kuMmCygVatSu8Jnw1F5AQkAFN3Dyt1TAwnSVviWEmRIgNvh0pAeiu15PfunsQpkasMXY67cAmqsiM_cvH7Ll1Qs59AY.iebXVKcvQ.kjv1BgoRKuXHVnI- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-Id: From: Matt Olander To: Julian Elischer In-Reply-To: <4890EE56.2090202@elischer.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:07:31 -0700 References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <4890EE56.2090202@elischer.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: freebsd-hackers , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:34:17 -0000 On Jul 30, 2008, at 3:42 PM, Julian Elischer wrote: > Matt Olander wrote: > >>> >>> http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html >> Hi everyone! I actually had our prototype of this laptop up at the >> OSCON show in Portland and it was pretty well received. >> Everything works for the most part although we're still tweaking >> some things for ACPI. >> I'll have one at the FreeBSD booth at LinuxWorld in San Francisco >> next week, August 5-7. We'll announce as soon as this thing is 100% >> and we're comfortable bringing the product line up as an item that >> we're comfortable supporting long term. Most likely, available to >> the general public in September. >> best, >> -matt > > ooooh > nice! > > battery life? I haven't done any battery life testing yet but I will. We just put NetBSD current on there late last night and one of our guys is surfing the net right now with one of the prototypes. We'll run it through some tests over this weekend on FreeBSD 7 and post some relevant specs up on the site next week. I'll let everyone know when we update :-P We've got a couple of minimalist stickers on there but we're hoping to ship it with a fun BSD sticker kit. I put the huge FreeBSD Mall bumper sticker on the lid of mine ;-) -matt From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 00:27:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209261065672 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:27:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wilkinsa@obelix.dsto.defence.gov.au) Received: from digger1.defence.gov.au (digger1.defence.gov.au [203.5.217.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 791698FC17 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:27:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wilkinsa@obelix.dsto.defence.gov.au) Received: from ednmsw510.dsto.defence.gov.au (ednmsw510.dsto.defence.gov.au [131.185.68.11]) by digger1.defence.gov.au (DSTO/DSTO) with ESMTP id m6V0Q5QT023150 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:56:05 +0930 (CST) Received: from fmbex510.dsto.defence.gov.au (fmbex510.dsto.defence.gov.au) by ednmsw510.dsto.defence.gov.au (Clearswift SMTPRS 5.2.9) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:57:03 +0930 Received: from stlex510.dsto.defence.gov.au ([203.6.60.184]) by fmbex510.dsto.defence.gov.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:27:03 +1000 Received: from obelix.dsto.defence.gov.au ([203.6.60.208]) by stlex510.dsto.defence.gov.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:27:01 +0800 Received: from obelix.dsto.defence.gov.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by obelix.dsto.defence.gov.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6V0P5Wb094478 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:25:05 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from wilkinsa@obelix.dsto.defence.gov.au) Received: (from wilkinsa@localhost) by obelix.dsto.defence.gov.au (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m6V0P51u094477 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:25:05 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from wilkinsa) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:25:04 +0800 From: "Wilkinson, Alex" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080731002504.GB90665@stlux503.dsto.defence.gov.au> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> <792298050807301331g37cc20a3of90ef7b7d2c94a17@mail.gmail.com> <20080730210437.GA14701@britannica.bec.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080730210437.GA14701@britannica.bec.de> Organisation: Defence Science Technology Organisation User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2008 00:27:01.0663 (UTC) FILETIME=[269FE2F0:01C8F2A4] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:27:05 -0000 0n Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 11:04:38PM +0200, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: >On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 04:31:10PM -0400, L Campbell wrote: >> It depends on what you consider to be "comfortable". My primary machine is >> an old Dell Inspiron 6000 (running the RELENG_7 branch) and the only >> hardware compatibility issue I've ever had was that suspend/hibernate >> doesn't work (display doesn't come back on). > >vbetool post? Is vbetool in ports ? I cant find it mentioned anywhere in INDEX-*. -aW IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. 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From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 00:50:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19CB0106567C for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:50:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joerg@britannica.bec.de) Received: from www.pkgsrc-box.org (www.ostsee-abc.de [62.206.222.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087C28FC18 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:50:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joerg@britannica.bec.de) Received: from britannica.bec.de (www.pkgsrc-box.org [127.0.0.1]) by www.pkgsrc-box.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4BFFEDAEEE for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:50:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by britannica.bec.de (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 413FF807A; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:49:59 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:49:59 +0200 From: Joerg Sonnenberger To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080731004958.GA19884@britannica.bec.de> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> <792298050807301331g37cc20a3of90ef7b7d2c94a17@mail.gmail.com> <20080730210437.GA14701@britannica.bec.de> <20080731002504.GB90665@stlux503.dsto.defence.gov.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080731002504.GB90665@stlux503.dsto.defence.gov.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:50:10 -0000 On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 08:25:04AM +0800, Wilkinson, Alex wrote: > >vbetool post? > > Is vbetool in ports ? I cant find it mentioned anywhere in INDEX-*. Can't find it either. ENOFREEBSD :) http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/vbetool/ Joerg From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 01:08:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DC021065677; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:08:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stuartb@4gh.net) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E13B28FC1E; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:08:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stuartb@4gh.net) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 30 Jul 2008 20:39:26 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id OWZ01516; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-59-169-154.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com (HELO freeman.4gh.net) ([208.59.169.154]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 30 Jul 2008 20:39:17 -0400 Received: by freeman.4gh.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4176A5CF81; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freeman.4gh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C41B5CE66; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:39:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Stuart Barkley To: Matt Olander In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A150202.489109B9.00A2,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=207.172.4.11, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.4.3/2008-02-01 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:09:37 +0000 Cc: freebsd-hackers , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:08:24 -0000 On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 at 18:35 -0000, Mateusz Guzik wrote: > 2008/7/30 Matt Olander : > > On Jul 25, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Jeremy Messenger wrote: > > > >> Maybe you can wait for this: > >> > >> http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html > > Any chances it will be available with trackpoint instead of > touchpad? :) I like that it has a serial port on it. What does it have for audio? A line-in connection would also be very welcome. Also, how about 3 buttons on the touchpad? I really like having a middle button. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 01:13:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8769D1065685 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:13:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unixmania@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 141F58FC17 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:13:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unixmania@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id q2so352217uge.37 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:13:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=XbjB5MvwoACBtIMGEGeWqmt/tsUyzwIHZt5YO8Au+84=; b=rBho9ZyosrBnBVV/+antWXT3jR7KXLid8GwzvoqWmbQPZ3Ur7OmFE258H4EGN4wGU4 omzKpE7oe/5Vb/YRPrAFdDPm8fPPSDvcleNR5rREJqjt/kUXsqNWFu5uLl/LfwmB2ZkD xD7pfjaf8LMPg/Nqq7lpXfxLu2NbYWvZzCCxU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=m4+T9avV5GNCXVsXh/aEPQY6u0ozUFvZxhfcud7fpiDZkTfoh+ysjzsS/ix4yxvtAW M7gEHyib0cUtwmoNrtDgrd52nvwbGwtxdCqsvw+h8th7olvsV2aSY90YhS4LM71TzMZx aRTePoE3AOAHAZq5oAICP+QOBYMb2uFYDC1zQ= Received: by 10.67.115.12 with SMTP id s12mr1847545ugm.51.1217465101351; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.234.1 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:45:01 -0300 From: "Carlos A. M. dos Santos" To: "Achim Patzner" In-Reply-To: <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:13:44 -0000 On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Achim Patzner wrote: > Am 30.07.2008 um 18:40 schrieb Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav: >> >> I don't understand what Macs have to do with this - we're talking about >> iX Systems's made-for-BSD laptop. > > The thread started with someone asking for a mobile computer that > would support FreeBSD sufficiently and nobody came up with something > fitting the bill (and being available somewhere). Considering the > picture you're seeing at any place where more than two hardcore Unix > users assemble you're seeing a majority of Macs. There has to be an > obvious reason for that... I tried to break that habit more than once > but right now the only comfortable way of running FreeBSD on a laptop > is VMware Fusion on a Mac. Reading this entire thread convinced me > even more. Please define "comfortable". I've been running FreeBSD 7.0 pretty comfortably on my HP nx6320 for several months now. I never attempted to use neither Bluetooth nor the fingerprint reader, so I don't miss them. The only real drawback I've found was that the memory card reader does not work. I also ran 8.0-CURRENT on a HP 6910p because 7.0 did not support the WI-FI card. -- Carlos Santos Working, but not speaking (or advertising) for HP :-) From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 04:12:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A884C106566B for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:12:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ioplex@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3925C8FC08 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:12:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ioplex@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id h3so200122nfh.33 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:12:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=6KkBfp063vKfVPfpHeu0Qku81n3PuXkjQBYB4izmS/Q=; b=Hd1YVMCEukQudRk1xU59wSh9dypUa37/o8EYK6tGPvyKWI5nDoLqPBiLZa8QamMMn0 NneCksGqHYINyEkg5sycJA5W+r7HcKxPxunMBP2xCQ3Shpaa1PAFAS2l6SbmkuMVQdaC BJWxwxDPY2bDIUY0HV+ByMAPRb3pz6K3uGMAc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=DDlo0cQledKdcyjrcI7nW1+1OoDgRzhMuEGvjth1IUHBsrk2JxZXhpV07moXBWgvQS wz7Br5Y5ZposqC/x3Udu62WW3f2JPxmCUH3GtTISYtCC+nekBF8Uzel3hjmTZJWnEnpg elwEZHfVdMX9JgWxwcCalfoe12gidGxIB7rwg= Received: by 10.210.74.17 with SMTP id w17mr7350330eba.3.1217477555920; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.109.15 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <78c6bd860807302112v22d07403hfbadfd6a9a10b0f0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:12:35 -0400 From: "Michael B Allen" To: "Jilles Tjoelker" In-Reply-To: <20080718155856.GA96280@stack.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <78c6bd860807121611w4f6ab44brbebfffea9929682a@mail.gmail.com> <20080718155856.GA96280@stack.nl> Cc: freebsd-hackers Subject: Re: Pls sanity check my semtimedop(2) implementation X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:12:37 -0000 On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Jilles Tjoelker wrote: > On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 07:11:26PM -0400, Michael B Allen wrote: >> Below is a semtimedop(2) implementation that I'm using for FreeBSD. I >> was hoping someone could look it over and tell me if they think the >> implementation is sound. > >> [snip semtimedop implementation that uses SIGALRM and relies on EINTR] > >> The code seems to work ok but when stressing the FreeBSD build of my app >> I have managed to provoke errors related to concurrency (usually when a >> SIGALRM goes off). The Linux build works flawlessesly so I'm wondering >> about this one critical function that is different. > > In your implementation, the SIGALRM signal may happen before you even > call semop(2). If so, most likely the semop(2) will hang arbitrarily > long. Indeed. And I reconnoiter that condition is likely to happen if called with a sufficiently small timeout value. > Another dirty fix is to try non-blocking semop(2) several times with > sleeps in between. Actually that seems to work pretty well. If I force the nanosleep codepath to be used always, the application actually works pretty well under load. I wonder if the overhead of managing the signal and timer is worth the trouble. For posterity, below is the current implementation of semtimedop(2) for FreeBSD. Further ideas are welcome. void _timeval_diff(struct timeval *tv1, struct timeval *tv2, struct timeval *tvd) { tvd->tv_sec = tv1->tv_sec - tv2->tv_sec; tvd->tv_usec = tv1->tv_usec - tv2->tv_usec; if (tvd->tv_usec < 0) { tvd->tv_usec = 1000000 - tvd->tv_usec; tvd->tv_sec--; } } void signal_ignore(int s, siginfo_t *si, void *ctx) { } int _semtimedop(int semid, struct sembuf *array, size_t nops, struct timespec *_timeout) { struct timeval timeout, before, after; struct itimerval value, ovalue; struct sigaction sa, osa; int ret; if (_timeout) { timeout.tv_sec = _timeout->tv_sec; timeout.tv_usec = _timeout->tv_nsec / 1000; if (gettimeofday(&before, NULL) == -1) { errno = EFAULT; return -1; } if (timeout.tv_sec == 0 && timeout.tv_usec < 5000) { struct timeval tsleep, tend; struct sembuf wait; wait = *array; wait.sem_flg |= IPC_NOWAIT; tsleep.tv_sec = 0; tsleep.tv_usec = 1; timeradd(&before, &timeout, &tend); for ( ;; ) { struct timeval tnow, tleft; struct timespec ts; ret = semop(semid, &wait, nops); if (ret == 0) { return 0; } else if (errno != EAGAIN) { break; } if (gettimeofday(&tnow, NULL) == -1) { errno = EFAULT; break; } if (timercmp(&tnow, &tend, >=)) { errno = EAGAIN; break; } timersub(&tend, &tnow, &tleft); if (tsleep.tv_usec > tleft.tv_usec) tsleep.tv_usec = tleft.tv_usec; ts.tv_sec = 0; ts.tv_nsec = tsleep.tv_usec * 1000; nanosleep(&ts, NULL); tsleep.tv_usec *= 10; } return -1; } memset(&value, 0, sizeof value); value.it_value = timeout; memset(&sa, 0, sizeof sa); sa.sa_sigaction = signal_ignore; sa.sa_flags = SA_SIGINFO; sigemptyset(&sa.sa_mask); sigaction(SIGALRM, &sa, &osa); if (setitimer(ITIMER_REAL, &value, &ovalue) == -1) { sigaction(SIGALRM, &osa, NULL); return -1; } } ret = semop(semid, array, nops); if (_timeout) { ret = setitimer(ITIMER_REAL, &ovalue, NULL); if (ret < 0) errno = EFAULT; sigaction(SIGALRM, &osa, NULL); } if (ret == -1) { if (_timeout) { struct timeval elapsed; if (gettimeofday(&after, NULL) == -1) { } else { _timeval_diff(&after, &before, &elapsed); if (timercmp(&elapsed, &timeout, >=)) errno = EAGAIN; } } return -1; } return 0; } From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 08:13:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15876106564A for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:13:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stefan.lambrev@moneybookers.com) Received: from blah.sun-fish.com (blah.sun-fish.com [217.18.249.150]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDF888FC1E for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:13:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stefan.lambrev@moneybookers.com) Received: by blah.sun-fish.com (Postfix, from userid 1002) id F32001B10F5E; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:13:05 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on malcho.cmotd.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.4 Received: from hater.haters.org (hater.cmotd.com [192.168.3.125]) by blah.sun-fish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83431B10F5A; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:13:03 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4891740F.7000305@moneybookers.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:13:03 +0300 From: Stefan Lambrev User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080616) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Olander References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/7897/Thu Jul 31 06:22:16 2008 on blah.cmotd.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Jeremy Messenger , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:13:08 -0000 Matt Olander wrote: > On Jul 25, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Jeremy Messenger wrote: > >> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:34:32 -0500, Frank Mayhar wrote: >> >>> My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, >>> sigh, >>> so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from >>> this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't >>> read -mobile). >>> >>> My criteria: >>> * 3D acceleration. >>> * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it >>> anyway). >>> * At least 15" screen. >>> * Decent power consumption. >>> * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. >>> >>> Nice to have: >>> * Dual core. >>> * >4GB memory. >>> * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my >>> breath). >>> >>> So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for >>> the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after >>> ordering/installing it. >> >> Maybe you can wait for this: >> >> http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html > > Hi everyone! I actually had our prototype of this laptop up at the > OSCON show in Portland and it was pretty well received. > Everything works for the most part although we're still tweaking some > things for ACPI. > > I'll have one at the FreeBSD booth at LinuxWorld in San Francisco next > week, August 5-7. We'll announce as soon as this thing is 100% and > we're comfortable bringing the product line up as an item that we're > comfortable supporting long term. Most likely, available to the > general public in September. Does it have web cam btw ? I do not saw in spec, but on the picture looks like it have. My experience show, that if one want to have decent 3D acceleration on freebsd, there is only one way - i386 + nvidia driver. I know Intel video cards are very pro-open source, but the driver for those cards is not better then nvidia's. Also I guess some time will pass before we see those laptops in Europe? -- Best Wishes, Stefan Lambrev ICQ# 24134177 From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 08:26:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B29D81065671; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:26:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: from mx01.sc1.parodius.com (mx01.sc1.parodius.com [72.20.106.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E1538FC19; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:26:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: by mx01.sc1.parodius.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 415D41CC0AE; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:26:18 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Stefan Lambrev Message-ID: <20080731082618.GA2204@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <4891740F.7000305@moneybookers.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4891740F.7000305@moneybookers.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Jeremy Messenger , Matt Olander , freebsd-hackers , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:26:18 -0000 On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:13:03AM +0300, Stefan Lambrev wrote: > Matt Olander wrote: >> On Jul 25, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Jeremy Messenger wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:34:32 -0500, Frank Mayhar wrote: >>> >>>> My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, >>>> sigh, >>>> so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from >>>> this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't >>>> read -mobile). >>>> >>>> My criteria: >>>> * 3D acceleration. >>>> * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it >>>> anyway). >>>> * At least 15" screen. >>>> * Decent power consumption. >>>> * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. >>>> >>>> Nice to have: >>>> * Dual core. >>>> * >4GB memory. >>>> * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my >>>> breath). >>>> >>>> So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for >>>> the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after >>>> ordering/installing it. >>> >>> Maybe you can wait for this: >>> >>> http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html >> >> Hi everyone! I actually had our prototype of this laptop up at the >> OSCON show in Portland and it was pretty well received. >> Everything works for the most part although we're still tweaking some >> things for ACPI. >> >> I'll have one at the FreeBSD booth at LinuxWorld in San Francisco next >> week, August 5-7. We'll announce as soon as this thing is 100% and >> we're comfortable bringing the product line up as an item that we're >> comfortable supporting long term. Most likely, available to the >> general public in September. > Does it have web cam btw ? I do not saw in spec, but on the picture > looks like it have. FreeBSD has support for webcams? News to me. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 08:37:21 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C580E106564A; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:37:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stefan.lambrev@moneybookers.com) Received: from blah.sun-fish.com (blah.sun-fish.com [217.18.249.150]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7786E8FC1A; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:37:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stefan.lambrev@moneybookers.com) Received: by blah.sun-fish.com (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 79F8A1B10F5E; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:37:20 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on malcho.cmotd.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.4 Received: from hater.haters.org (hater.cmotd.com [192.168.3.125]) by blah.sun-fish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 420731B10F61; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:37:16 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <489179BC.7050007@moneybookers.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:37:16 +0300 From: Stefan Lambrev User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080616) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeremy Chadwick References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <4891740F.7000305@moneybookers.com> <20080731082618.GA2204@eos.sc1.parodius.com> In-Reply-To: <20080731082618.GA2204@eos.sc1.parodius.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/7897/Thu Jul 31 06:22:16 2008 on blah.cmotd.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Jeremy Messenger , Matt Olander , freebsd-hackers , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:37:21 -0000 Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:13:03AM +0300, Stefan Lambrev wrote: > >> Matt Olander wrote: >> >>> On Jul 25, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Jeremy Messenger wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:34:32 -0500, Frank Mayhar wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, >>>>> sigh, >>>>> so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from >>>>> this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't >>>>> read -mobile). >>>>> >>>>> My criteria: >>>>> * 3D acceleration. >>>>> * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it >>>>> anyway). >>>>> * At least 15" screen. >>>>> * Decent power consumption. >>>>> * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. >>>>> >>>>> Nice to have: >>>>> * Dual core. >>>>> * >4GB memory. >>>>> * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my >>>>> breath). >>>>> >>>>> So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for >>>>> the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after >>>>> ordering/installing it. >>>>> >>>> Maybe you can wait for this: >>>> >>>> http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html >>>> >>> Hi everyone! I actually had our prototype of this laptop up at the >>> OSCON show in Portland and it was pretty well received. >>> Everything works for the most part although we're still tweaking some >>> things for ACPI. >>> >>> I'll have one at the FreeBSD booth at LinuxWorld in San Francisco next >>> week, August 5-7. We'll announce as soon as this thing is 100% and >>> we're comfortable bringing the product line up as an item that we're >>> comfortable supporting long term. Most likely, available to the >>> general public in September. >>> >> Does it have web cam btw ? I do not saw in spec, but on the picture >> looks like it have. >> > > FreeBSD has support for webcams? News to me. > multimedia/pwcbsd multimedia/linux-gspca-kmod multimedia/linux-ov511-kmod Though I never heard for someone using successfully his webcam with skype2 ;) http://info.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/FreeBSD/usb-cameras.html The question for webcamps pop-ups regularly on -multimedia. -- Best Wishes, Stefan Lambrev ICQ# 24134177 From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 08:52:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CCB3106568C; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:52:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Matthias.Apitz@oclc.org) Received: from mail.pica.nl (mail.pica.nl [192.87.44.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C244A8FC1D; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:52:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Matthias.Apitz@oclc.org) Received: from rebelion.Sisis.de ([193.31.10.34]) by mail.pica.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:52:03 +0200 Received: (from guru@localhost) by rebelion.Sisis.de (8.14.2/8.13.8/Submit) id m6V8q28k004359; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:52:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from matthias.apitz@oclc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: rebelion.Sisis.de: guru set sender to matthias.apitz@oclc.org using -f Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:52:02 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Stefan Lambrev Message-ID: <20080731085202.GA4101@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <4891740F.7000305@moneybookers.com> <20080731082618.GA2204@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <489179BC.7050007@moneybookers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <489179BC.7050007@moneybookers.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE (i386) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2008 08:52:03.0849 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4228790:01C8F2EA] Cc: Jeremy Messenger , Jeremy Chadwick , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, Matt Olander , freebsd-hackers Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:52:06 -0000 El día Thursday, July 31, 2008 a las 11:37:16AM +0300, Stefan Lambrev escribió: > >FreeBSD has support for webcams? News to me. > > > multimedia/pwcbsd > multimedia/linux-gspca-kmod > multimedia/linux-ov511-kmod > > Though I never heard for someone using successfully his webcam with > skype2 ;) > > http://info.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/FreeBSD/usb-cameras.html > > The question for webcamps pop-ups regularly on -multimedia. I've this cam: Mar 19 10:31:28 rebelion kernel: pwc0: vendor 0x0471 product 0x0329, rev 1.10/0.03, addr 2 Mar 19 10:31:29 rebelion kernel: pwc0: Philips SPC900NC USB webcam Mar 19 10:31:29 rebelion kernel: pwc0: This camera is equipped with a Sony CCD sensor + TDA8787 (32 which is supported by multimedia/pwcbsd and works fine with Ekiga (SVN version) via the V4L plugin of ptlib (ptlib/plugins/vidinput_v4l); matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ We should all learn from the peoples of The Netherlands, France and Ireland. Aprendamos todos de los pueblos de Holanda, Francia e Irlanda. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 09:18:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD6D106567F; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:18:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ap@bnc.net) Received: from mailomat.net (mailomat.net [81.20.89.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746EA8FC13; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:18:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ap@bnc.net) X-Mailomat-SpamCatcher-Score: 45 [XX] (100%) BODY: contains pornographic content in caps X-Mailomat-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Received: from [194.39.192.125] (account bnc-mail@mailrelay.mailomat.net HELO bnc.net) by mailomat.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.0) with ESMTPSA id 47388326; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:18:01 +0200 X-SpamCatcher-Score: 45 [XX] Received: from [194.39.192.126] (account ap HELO wasabi.wlan.bnc.net) by bnc.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.5) with ESMTPSA id 3283783; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:17:55 +0200 Message-Id: <3A7C430E-AA1C-4CF3-88F5-F7A0EBE3273A@bnc.net> From: Achim Patzner To: "Carlos A. M. dos Santos" In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-12-817989714; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:17:54 +0200 References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav=22?= , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:18:03 -0000 --Apple-Mail-12-817989714 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Am 31.07.2008 um 02:45 schrieb Carlos A. M. dos Santos: > On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Achim Patzner wrote: >> I tried to break that habit more than once >> but right now the only comfortable way of running FreeBSD on a laptop >> is VMware Fusion on a Mac. Reading this entire thread convinced me >> even more. > > Please define "comfortable". You just did so: > I never attempted to use neither Bluetooth nor the fingerprint reader > [...] the memory card > reader does not work. I also ran 8.0-CURRENT on a HP 6910p because 7.0 > did not support the WI-FI card. Great Lord. I just opened the box, turned the machine on and - after waiting fo about a few minutes - just began using it. Drivers? Who cares. Serial port? Just plug in an USB-to-serial. Getting X to run on the *censored* *even more censorship*? No problem, it's even launching itself should I really need it. Camera? Built-in. Unix that feels like FreeBSD? Built- in. HSDPA? Just connect the USB modem or plug in the Merlin XU. NO FUCKING INTEL STICKERS TO PEEL OFF. PRICELESS. It's a perfect machine for the desktop; I've forbidden FreeBSD to come creeping out the server room some years ago. I need it for keeping the penguins away, it's really good at that (no wonder - pitchforks do hurt). But it's a pain for desktoppy things - so why shouldn't I use something less useful? And the other way round: Running Mac OS X Server is the most painful thing I've ever been paid for; I've been replacing a lot of them with FreeBSD-based servers. Achim --Apple-Mail-12-817989714-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 10:08:21 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 867DB1065690; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:08:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: from mx01.sc1.parodius.com (mx01.sc1.parodius.com [72.20.106.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73EAD8FC08; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:08:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: by mx01.sc1.parodius.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 353AF1CC0B3; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:08:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:08:21 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Achim Patzner Message-ID: <20080731100821.GA15213@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> <3A7C430E-AA1C-4CF3-88F5-F7A0EBE3273A@bnc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3A7C430E-AA1C-4CF3-88F5-F7A0EBE3273A@bnc.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: "Carlos A. M. dos Santos" , =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav=22?= , freebsd-hackers , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:08:21 -0000 On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:17:54AM +0200, Achim Patzner wrote: > Drivers? Who cares. Serial port? Just plug in an USB-to-serial. You've obviously never used a USB-to-serial adapter. Are you aware of the fact that there is no serial device class as part of the USB specification? (Quite a great irony, if you ask me. Universal SERIAL Bus, yet no serial device class...) AFAIK, there isn't even a draft proposal for such. You *must* have drivers for a USB-to-serial adapter. And every adapter is different, depending upon the adapter chipset used, many of which are not disclosed in product specifications, so there's no way to guarantee it'll work with FreeBSD. On -stable (I believe) some people have mentioned which USB-to-serial adapters work great under FreeBSD and Windows, while others are horrible (dropping characters, broken flow control, interrupt issues, and many other problems). > It's a perfect machine for the desktop; I've forbidden FreeBSD to come > creeping out the server room some years ago. I need it for keeping the > penguins away, it's really good at that (no wonder - pitchforks do > hurt). > But it's a pain for desktoppy things - so why shouldn't I use something > less useful? And the other way round: Running Mac OS X Server is the > most painful thing I've ever been paid for; I've been replacing a lot of > them with FreeBSD-based servers. The amount of rhetoric in these two paragraphs is amazing; I literally cannot tell if you're trolling with anti-FreeBSD propaganda, or if you're trolling with pro-FreeBSD propaganda. Congratulations, you've confused at least one reader. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 10:38:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C691065676 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:38:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from samflanker@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377B98FC16 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:38:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from samflanker@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so549163fgb.35 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:38:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YyhhPPK1zApxmIaT3Rr8lBxpOH8O7D+U3UR4uL5TKa4=; b=nMnJvSyVM6lAWRItFFN9hhpi2DhEtw0ZTO9HLWRP9vb1chb3EnQV7AVQfGePonlw6y saNem+YpL7njwTlTYBE1dHfHE9LVugM/8+ZybVqVD351PbxjGSGW6oAuuzjuGNIFLCFU t+raK3nLFpume5lmBbAjUL4smxHmH4gjuRL9A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=SS6BiWUjUEKdZuMpy5iTj76H6vrweAT9xOeAQHrkBlK4W2VNhupSwrQp9PeAcxJT2n K/3Mw2vhpp1unsPZ+hbfEdYUYU/5FgB+IupzaQRxEalBkvC/lnJZUWi+mWc7G0ytaqKX yS4vRqmMjZMDYpHe+JoDO22FElwggjNmprkE0= Received: by 10.86.60.14 with SMTP id i14mr5925367fga.75.1217500726871; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:38:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.107? ( [213.152.137.38]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e11sm525445fga.4.2008.07.31.03.38.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:38:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48919631.7060100@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:38:41 +0400 From: sam User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <489036A2.5060403@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: consolekit on 7.0-STABLE i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:38:48 -0000 Nate Eldredge wrote: > On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, sam wrote: > >> hello >> >> my trouble >> >> >> FreeBSD static 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #23: Mon Jul 28 18:10:51 >> MSD 2008 root@static:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/STATIC i386 >> >> >> ----------------------------top_output----------------------------- >> |874 root 17 0 0 8296K 2660K waitvt 1 0:00 0.00% >> console-kit-daemon| >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> ---------------------------vmstat_output--------------------------- >> | procs memory page disks >> faults cpu >> r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr ad4 ad6 in sy >> cs us sy id >> 0 19 0 1113M 29M 493 1 0 0 265 129 0 0 133 45119 >> 4588 8 5 87 >> 0 20 0 1113M 29M 249 0 2 0 3311 0 0 22 157 7872 >> 2262 5 7 88 >> 0 19 0 1113M 29M 346 0 0 0 148 0 0 0 110 78963 >> 1793 4 9 87 >> 0 19 0 1113M 29M 115 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 105 5743 >> 1731 13 1 85 >> 0 19 0 1113M 29M 318 0 0 0 138 0 0 0 108 78837 >> 1732 3 10 87 >> 0 19 0 1113M 29M 112 0 0 0 32 0 0 1 100 5549 >> 1682 11 1 88 >> 0 19 0 1113M 29M 297 0 0 0 136 0 0 2 122 78880 >> 1749 6 7 87 >> |-------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> consolekit in |waitvt state, influencing on high volumes in procs-b > > I don't understand what the problem is. It looks like consolekit is > sleeping and not using any CPU. "waitvt" just indicates where in the > kernel it's sleeping. I don't understand what you mean by "high > volumes in procs-b". > yes, but procs-b have low volumes after killed consolekit process i`m watched it on many systems (7.0-STABLE i386) /Vladimir Ermakov From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 10:48:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC7E41065673; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:48:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ap@bnc.net) Received: from mailomat.net (mailomat.net [81.20.89.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D80CE8FC19; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:48:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ap@bnc.net) X-Mailomat-SpamCatcher-Score: 2 [X] X-Mailomat-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Received: from [194.39.192.125] (account bnc-mail@mailrelay.mailomat.net HELO bnc.net) by mailomat.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.0) with ESMTPSA id 47388895; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:48:03 +0200 X-SpamCatcher-Score: 2 [X] Received: from [194.39.192.126] (account ap HELO wasabi.wlan.bnc.net) by bnc.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.5) with ESMTPSA id 3283819; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:48:03 +0200 Message-Id: From: Achim Patzner To: Jeremy Chadwick In-Reply-To: <20080731100821.GA15213@eos.sc1.parodius.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-15-823397319; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:48:02 +0200 References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> <3A7C430E-AA1C-4CF3-88F5-F7A0EBE3273A@bnc.net> <20080731100821.GA15213@eos.sc1.parodius.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-hackers , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:48:05 -0000 --Apple-Mail-15-823397319 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Am 31.07.2008 um 12:08 schrieb Jeremy Chadwick: > On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:17:54AM +0200, Achim Patzner wrote: >> Drivers? Who cares. Serial port? Just plug in an USB-to-serial. > > You've obviously never used a USB-to-serial adapter. Wrong; I'm using them all the time. Initial kneading of serious Cisco stuff still didn't get into the 21. century. My tool of choice is an ExSys EX-1372 (ExpressCard, but that's just a fancy packaging for USB) which is - using the Mac OS built-in driver or Windows > 2000 - working out of the box and interrupt delivery is good enough to run Auerswald's Java application for their PABX systems (which is so timing-dependent that it is refusing to work with quite a few "real" serial ports). > Are you aware of > the fact that there is no serial device class as part of the USB > specification? (Quite a great irony, if you ask me. Universal SERIAL > Bus, yet no serial device class...) AFAIK, there isn't even a draft > proposal for such. I don't care. It just *works*, even with off-the-mill Prolific trash (although those will not suffice for my telefone). I won't even get into typical Mac-user's creature comforts like using Bluetooth serial devices (just power it on and the Mac magically sprouts a /dev/cu.Bluetooth-dongle-name.subdevice plus /dev/tty. which will even do fancy stuff like automatic speed and parity settings. > so there's no way to guarantee it'll work with FreeBSD. Which is true for so many things. Which I can buy off-the-shelf for Mac OS. No hassle, no hacking, no sweat. For me a desktop machine is a tool; I won't give it more consideration than a screwdriver. It has to do its job which (again: for me) is delivering a usable front- end for servers and writing documentation (and bills!) plus doing all the communication stuff I need to be able to work wherever I am. It boils down to: Unix, no Linux, Word (They make me need it...), VMware. >> It's a perfect machine for the desktop; I've forbidden FreeBSD to >> come >> creeping out the server room some years ago. I need it for keeping >> the >> penguins away, it's really good at that (no wonder - pitchforks do >> hurt). >> But it's a pain for desktoppy things - so why shouldn't I use >> something >> less useful? And the other way round: Running Mac OS X Server is the >> most painful thing I've ever been paid for; I've been replacing a >> lot of >> them with FreeBSD-based servers. > > The amount of rhetoric in these two paragraphs is amazing; I literally > cannot tell if you're trolling with anti-FreeBSD propaganda, or if > you're trolling with pro-FreeBSD propaganda. Congratulations, you've > confused at least one reader. Wrong on both counts. I'm just using the appropriate tools for the jobs that need to be done. And on the desktop FreeBSD just plain sucks in comparison to Mac OS. And after all, Mac users need FreeBSD - who else should provide them with all the nice things from ipfw to the user land? Would you really expect Apple to do it all on its own? Face it: The real difference between servers and desktops is the "who has to bend over"-question. Servers are adapted to the software they are going to run while on "personal computers" the software has to adapt to the machine ("I want that shiny Sony. I don't care if the hardware sucks, it's beautiful."). And Chuck is quite definitely lacking at bending over... Achim --Apple-Mail-15-823397319-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 10:50:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA38A1065670; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:50:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from mail.zoral.com.ua (skuns.zoral.com.ua [91.193.166.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28E628FC19; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:50:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua (root@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua [10.1.1.148]) by mail.zoral.com.ua (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6VASbUK002812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:28:37 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua (kostik@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6VASbDJ034979; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:28:37 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: (from kostik@localhost) by deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m6VASaiK034978; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:28:36 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) X-Authentication-Warning: deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua: kostik set sender to kostikbel@gmail.com using -f Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:28:36 +0300 From: Kostik Belousov To: Matt Olander Message-ID: <20080731102836.GZ97161@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <4890EE56.2090202@elischer.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Lv0dYwq55yjFwMRW" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on skuns.kiev.zoral.com.ua X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on skuns.kiev.zoral.com.ua Cc: freebsd-hackers , Julian Elischer , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:50:14 -0000 --Lv0dYwq55yjFwMRW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 04:07:31PM -0700, Matt Olander wrote: > On Jul 30, 2008, at 3:42 PM, Julian Elischer wrote: >=20 > >Matt Olander wrote: > > > >>> > >>>http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html > >>Hi everyone! I actually had our prototype of this laptop up at the =20 > >>OSCON show in Portland and it was pretty well received. > >>Everything works for the most part although we're still tweaking =20 > >>some things for ACPI. > >>I'll have one at the FreeBSD booth at LinuxWorld in San Francisco =20 > >>next week, August 5-7. We'll announce as soon as this thing is 100% =20 > >>and we're comfortable bringing the product line up as an item that =20 > >>we're comfortable supporting long term. Most likely, available to =20 > >>the general public in September. > >>best, > >>-matt > > > >ooooh > >nice! > > > >battery life? >=20 > I haven't done any battery life testing yet but I will. We just put =20 > NetBSD current on there late last night and one of our guys is surfing = =20 > the net right now with one of the prototypes. We'll run it through =20 > some tests over this weekend on FreeBSD 7 and post some relevant specs = =20 > up on the site next week. I'll let everyone know when we update :-P >=20 > We've got a couple of minimalist stickers on there but we're hoping to = =20 > ship it with a fun BSD sticker kit. I put the huge FreeBSD Mall bumper = =20 > sticker on the lid of mine ;-) Would it be possible to order it not from US, and how much shipping may cost ? --Lv0dYwq55yjFwMRW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkiRk9QACgkQC3+MBN1Mb4jbXwCeNSZfKYakgT49VisbZYlr24YA lpkAnjgm+1y9pjQkRhLR+KICW6YSy9o/ =z7jJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Lv0dYwq55yjFwMRW-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 11:08:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D588A106567B; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:08:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: from mx01.sc1.parodius.com (mx01.sc1.parodius.com [72.20.106.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45858FC13; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:08:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: by mx01.sc1.parodius.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A9F221CC0AE; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:08:02 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Achim Patzner Message-ID: <20080731110802.GB28990@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> <3A7C430E-AA1C-4CF3-88F5-F7A0EBE3273A@bnc.net> <20080731100821.GA15213@eos.sc1.parodius.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-hackers , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:08:02 -0000 On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:48:02PM +0200, Achim Patzner wrote: > I don't care. I can see that; thanks for summing it up. >> The amount of rhetoric in these two paragraphs is amazing; I literally >> cannot tell if you're trolling with anti-FreeBSD propaganda, or if >> you're trolling with pro-FreeBSD propaganda. Congratulations, you've >> confused at least one reader. > > Wrong on both counts. I'm just using the appropriate tools for the jobs > that need to be done. And on the desktop FreeBSD just plain sucks in > comparison to Mac OS. And after all, Mac users need FreeBSD - who else > should provide them with all the nice things from ipfw to the user land? > Would you really expect Apple to do it all on its own? > > Face it: The real difference between servers and desktops is the "who > has to bend over"-question. Servers are adapted to the software they > are going to run while on "personal computers" the software has to adapt > to the machine ("I want that shiny Sony. I don't care if the hardware > sucks, it's beautiful."). And Chuck is quite definitely lacking at > bending > over... You just did it again -- anti-FreeBSD propaganda and pro-FreeBSD propaganda in a single paragraph, followed by an oddly-skewed server-to-desktop comparison, something about computer cosmetics, then a strange comment about the beastie/Chuck which seems to be negative but could be positive depending on how you look at it. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 11:24:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A74E61065676 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:24:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsdstuff@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6529F8FC1F for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:24:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsdstuff@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b33so782973ana.13 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:24:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=nFXAtefej+o0yycCy50jItp3TT4Fd2DS7Ro2ydvnswk=; b=dTq0Azu+77vFZTnotzFpCnTePlsNux5DRyCxuUGxDzQV79RmbViZi00W72luE7Hlmr rvL8xf07N/2vNar16eM/WU7q0K/jYiYJIfektlAMO36gIg+/S6AYRu4WpoDlsJH0TQCC ByC+cSUOQCLSB1BZaQBATyyNLZHEHX0nlr55I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=kCgXjwmAChWQkhbDlfm4ZRFHBw6VkgvPBXcRTqBGLwgaFFG5T2omej69uB4Tp9uRVs fR0XTp54x1E7RSLc98q8m94NJ1ZG5dZwhWIi5jytLApG7GPeMDCxjqXARCxYhggBfHGC Pl3UKHQZlUsrJ1A+CfF8/4ogYK+mxnRKZ19NM= Received: by 10.100.255.10 with SMTP id c10mr10813131ani.137.1217501970985; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.74.4 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2aa9a3be0807310359i6b5dff83paab558ebbfd573bc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:59:30 +0400 From: Vladimir.Pal To: neldredge@math.ucsd.edu, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <2aa9a3be0807310355x54c13987n85bca00f233a9de5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <489036A2.5060403@gmail.com> <489198CF.6060804@gmail.com> <2aa9a3be0807310355x54c13987n85bca00f233a9de5@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Fwd: consolekit on 7.0-STABLE i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:24:10 -0000 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Vladimir. Pal Date: 2008/7/31 Subject: Re: consolekit on 7.0-STABLE i386 To: sam 2008/7/31 sam Nate Eldredge wrote: > >> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, sam wrote: >> >> hello >>> >>> my trouble >>> >>> >>> FreeBSD static 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #23: Mon Jul 28 18:10:51 MSD >>> 2008 root@static:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/STATIC i386 >>> >>> >>> ----------------------------top_output----------------------------- >>> |874 root 17 0 0 8296K 2660K waitvt 1 0:00 0.00% >>> console-kit-daemon| >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> ---------------------------vmstat_output--------------------------- >>> | procs memory page disks faults >>> cpu >>> r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr ad4 ad6 in sy cs >>> us sy id >>> 0 19 0 1113M 29M 493 1 0 0 265 129 0 0 133 45119 4588 >>> 8 5 87 >>> 0 20 0 1113M 29M 249 0 2 0 3311 0 0 22 157 7872 2262 >>> 5 7 88 >>> 0 19 0 1113M 29M 346 0 0 0 148 0 0 0 110 78963 1793 >>> 4 9 87 >>> 0 19 0 1113M 29M 115 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 105 5743 1731 >>> 13 1 85 >>> 0 19 0 1113M 29M 318 0 0 0 138 0 0 0 108 78837 1732 >>> 3 10 87 >>> 0 19 0 1113M 29M 112 0 0 0 32 0 0 1 100 5549 1682 >>> 11 1 88 >>> 0 19 0 1113M 29M 297 0 0 0 136 0 0 2 122 78880 1749 >>> 6 7 87 >>> |-------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> consolekit in |waitvt state, influencing on high volumes in procs-b >>> >> >> I don't understand what the problem is. It looks like consolekit is >> sleeping and not using any CPU. "waitvt" just indicates where in the kernel >> it's sleeping. I don't understand what you mean by "high volumes in >> procs-b". >> >> > I have too that problem. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 07:46:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC54B1065673; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:46:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fabien.thomas@netasq.com) Received: from netasq.netasq.com (netasq.netasq.com [213.30.137.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F978FC18; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:46:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fabien.thomas@netasq.com) Received: from [10.20.1.5] (unknown [10.0.0.126]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by netasq.netasq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C6301E973; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:15:30 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <02AE4AED-5A25-4781-B710-4512DBEBF176@netasq.com> From: Fabien Thomas To: FreeBSD Stable List , FreeBSD Hackers In-Reply-To: <84dead720807122205i33bf6eb0p998d473df9e52304@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-737520214; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:56:44 +0200 References: <84dead720807122205i33bf6eb0p998d473df9e52304@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:26:42 +0000 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Announcement: PmcTools callchain capture for RELENG_7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:46:38 -0000 --Apple-Mail-4-737520214 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For those like me that need FreeBSD 6.3 support i can provide a =20 patchset upon request (That have only been tested on system wide =20 profiling). Fabien Le 13 juil. 08 =E0 07:05, Joseph Koshy a =E9crit : > Hello List(s), > > I am very pleased to announce a patch, by Fabien Thomas, that brings > PmcTools' callchain capture features to 7-STABLE. Thank you, Fabien! > > The patch is linked to from the PmcTools wiki page: > http://wiki.freebsd.org/PmcTools. > > The current file name is: "patch-callchain-FreeBSD-7-=20 > STABLE-2008-07-12.gz". > As the file name indicates, it should apply against a 7-STABLE tree of > 2008-07-12 > vintage. > > To apply the patch: > % cd /home/src-7x # or whereever your RELENG_7 tree resides > % patch < PATCH-FILE > > Then you should follow the full procedure to update userland > and kernel from source as spelled out in src/UPDATING. > > Please note that HWPMC(4) log files that contain callchain =20 > information are > not binary compatible with prior versions of pmc(3) and pmcstat(8). > > Please do test on your systems and let Fabien and me know > how you fared. > > Koshy > --Apple-Mail-4-737520214-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 10:34:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3782E106566B; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:34:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from richard@unixguru.nl) Received: from mx1.unixguru.nl (mx1.unixguru.nl [77.37.12.119]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E95218FC2D; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:34:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from richard@unixguru.nl) Received: from mail.unixguru.nl (www.unixguru.nl [217.122.37.210]) by mx1.unixguru.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 071C91F4A6; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:37:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost.unixguru.nl [127.0.0.1]) by mail.unixguru.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 484971141B; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:37:23 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixguru.nl Received: from mail.unixguru.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.unixguru.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BOIQ4EJGfDUh; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:37:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (shell.unixguru.nl [192.168.10.20]) by mail.unixguru.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C7811408; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:37:20 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:37:19 +0200 From: Richard Arends To: Jeremy Chadwick Message-ID: <20080731083718.GC959@shell.unixguru.nl> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <4891740F.7000305@moneybookers.com> <20080731082618.GA2204@eos.sc1.parodius.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080731082618.GA2204@eos.sc1.parodius.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:27:09 +0000 Cc: freebsd-hackers , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:34:10 -0000 On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 01:26:18AM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: Hi, > FreeBSD has support for webcams? News to me. Luigi Rizzo was (is?) working on webcam support: http://info.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/FreeBSD/usb-cameras.html -- Regards, Richard. /* Homo Sapiens non urinat in ventum */ From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 12:06:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D01E51065687 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:06:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tevans.uk@googlemail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59F898FC21 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:06:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tevans.uk@googlemail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id h3so256529nfh.33 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:06:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:cc :in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version :x-mailer; bh=HG689TJqH6yESjCB6BVNXwVV6X/o8UTRFX1d1y4EsLk=; b=NZ8Vde5Y8EbPwDD+lv+kI6euAdK7n5dl1d/fnhmY26nzNPDFqxJqoWma4DQheq+f/v Z1dYOYOzQQfMmduwcdbc97Nu+X2vxOYfA71pE1gKmkGsoN2Cbc3JL2GOpy+YLPwVHnOO 8uwYAiyyAkdMHkrZQELFXoKAPiaB6TfdMV4tU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date :message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; b=hwaPn5G8h9ltgITeq2ET0lbID7/vBnSe+lHyoz2tIvQg1Nl9PzN9o5kkWdM0pnc4fR ZNOxjMX9uE1AsLX5gpbqBzGnjHqKcV5Zr5QRLd38AwP0wY/wmxisSFs7EUFYmGSyEhoc 2D60hKlDsSNwKW8Bqf+GQN9q2pSUCJZ0NjEXE= Received: by 10.210.82.7 with SMTP id f7mr10876399ebb.185.1217505977037; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:06:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?127.0.0.1? ( [217.206.187.80]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t12sm5368542gvd.10.2008.07.31.05.06.15 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:06:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Evans To: "Carlos A. M. dos Santos" In-Reply-To: References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-vxbiEvPDaU9K53upYFd2" Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:06:04 +0100 Message-Id: <1217505964.78925.12.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: Achim Patzner , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:06:18 -0000 --=-vxbiEvPDaU9K53upYFd2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 21:45 -0300, Carlos A. M. dos Santos wrote: > On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Achim Patzner wrote: > > Am 30.07.2008 um 18:40 schrieb Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav: > >> > >> I don't understand what Macs have to do with this - we're talking abou= t > >> iX Systems's made-for-BSD laptop. > > > > The thread started with someone asking for a mobile computer that > > would support FreeBSD sufficiently and nobody came up with something > > fitting the bill (and being available somewhere). Considering the > > picture you're seeing at any place where more than two hardcore Unix > > users assemble you're seeing a majority of Macs. There has to be an > > obvious reason for that... I tried to break that habit more than once > > but right now the only comfortable way of running FreeBSD on a laptop > > is VMware Fusion on a Mac. Reading this entire thread convinced me > > even more. >=20 > Please define "comfortable". I've been running FreeBSD 7.0 pretty > comfortably on my HP nx6320 for several months now. I never attempted > to use neither Bluetooth nor the fingerprint reader, so I don't miss > them. The only real drawback I've found was that the memory card > reader does not work. I also ran 8.0-CURRENT on a HP 6910p because 7.0 > did not support the WI-FI card. >=20 > -- > Carlos Santos > Working, but not speaking (or advertising) for HP :-) Another happy BSD user on HP - nc6320 this time though. intel(4x) graphics, wpi(4) wifi, bge(4) networking, fwochi(4) firewire, serial port, plenty of USB ports. Even the fingerprint scanner works (security/libfprint). I don't use bluetooth or the card reader, so cannot comment on them. The one down side of my HP laptop is the HP BIOS refuses to start up with a different wifi card installed - I'd quite like to use an ath(4) based card.. I could imagine if you just need to play with an OS, or if you mainly develop the OS, running it under some sort of VM on a host system would be more useful. For me, running under VM would be a nightmare.=20 Tom --=-vxbiEvPDaU9K53upYFd2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAkiRqqcACgkQlcRvFfyds/cZeQCfe+pY/5Kr1nzsat9PP01+dgkU kkwAn1iKbKm3VyT9PfgLl5A7AftOngP5 =k+4i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-vxbiEvPDaU9K53upYFd2-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 12:34:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85FC61065676 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:34:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rainer@ultra-secure.de) Received: from bsd.ultra-secure.de (bsd.ultra-secure.de [62.146.20.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF3C38FC19 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:34:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rainer@ultra-secure.de) Received: (qmail 92191 invoked by uid 89); 31 Jul 2008 12:34:05 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 92170, pid: 92182, t: 4.1908s scanners: attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.88.7/m:44/d:4673 spam: 3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on bsd.ultra-secure.de X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from unknown (HELO ?212.71.117.70?) (rainer@ultra-secure.de@212.71.117.70) by bsd.ultra-secure.de with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 12:34:00 -0000 Message-ID: <4891B134.5080303@ultra-secure.de> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:33:56 +0200 From: Rainer Duffner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; de; rv:1.8.1.14) Gecko/20080421 SUSE/2.0.0.14-0.1 Thunderbird/2.0.0.14 Mnenhy/0.7.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers References: <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> <3A7C430E-AA1C-4CF3-88F5-F7A0EBE3273A@bnc.net> <20080731100821.GA15213@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <20080731110802.GB28990@eos.sc1.parodius.com> In-Reply-To: <20080731110802.GB28990@eos.sc1.parodius.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:47:48 +0000 Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:34:07 -0000 Jeremy Chadwick schrieb: > > > You just did it again -- anti-FreeBSD propaganda and pro-FreeBSD > propaganda in a single paragraph, followed by an oddly-skewed > server-to-desktop comparison, something about computer cosmetics, then a > strange comment about the beastie/Chuck which seems to be negative but > could be positive depending on how you look at it. > > But he has a point. Or better: I can see why he is so ambivalent. For some people it may be enough that you can boot a laptop with FreeBSD and it works with sound+gfx+wifi (if you buy wisely). E.g. it's OK for my Lifebook E8010 and it boots up fast enough so that not having ACPI suspend/resume isn't a drama. It also proved easier to upgrade than Ubuntu on the same hardware. But some people just want their notebook to work in the way it is intended to and with all features they actually paid money for. For those, Apple's offerings are hard to beat. Heck, Apple notebooks even beat Windows-notebooks from vendors who have been selling them for 10 or 15 years in terms of battery-life, mobility and usefulness on the road. No surprise here that FreeBSD loses out. Incidentially. if you go to a (BSD)-conference, even a lot of FreeBSD developers have Apple notebooks (not all, though - but you get Apple-logos galore...). Percentage may be even higher among CORE members - and there's nothing wrong about that. OTOH, I still prefer konsole and xterms on the above FreeBSD notebook, even compared to my (latest-generation) 24 inch iMac. It just feels "X'ier", if you know what I mean.... There are "voiced opinions" every couple of months that boil down to something along the line of: "Just get rid of all the [mobile|old|whatever] crap and concentrate on the server-space, I need [insert server-feature] more than I need this ACPI-stuff that didn't work for me anyway". But I don't think this leads anywhere ;-) Also, I feel it somehow denigrates the work committers do in this area - unpaid work, mostly (is anybody actually paid for hacking this stuff?), I assume. And isn't ACPI nowadays used universally to distribute resources (IRQs etc.) to expansion-cards, even in servers? cheers, Rainer From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 13:40:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 616A51065690 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:40:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-hackers@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA078FC12 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:40:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-hackers@m.gmane.org) Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1KOYNu-0000RF-Rv for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:40:02 +0000 Received: from xdsl-10260.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl ([84.40.242.20]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:40:02 +0000 Received: from mwisnicki+freebsd by xdsl-10260.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:40:02 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: Marcin Wisnicki Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:23:24 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <4890B595.5060103@sh.cvut.cz> <4890E215.2020304@sh.cvut.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: xdsl-10260.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl User-Agent: Pan/0.132 (Waxed in Black) Sender: news Subject: Re: Locale woes. X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:40:07 -0000 On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:50:13 +0200, Václav Haisman wrote: > Václav Haisman wrote, On 30.7.2008 20:40: >> Hi, >> I have some problem with locales on FreeBSD 6.3. The attached test case >> fails with uncaught std::runtime_error exception: > [...] > I am able to run the test case successfuly when I compile it with > STLport. So it seems there is something odd going on with just the > libstdc++ that ships with GCC. On the other hand, it works fine with GCC > 4.1.2 on Gentoo/Linux. Yes it is somewhat known problem that libstdc++ on FreeBSD does not support locales. I've seen some discussions about this in the past on freebsd lists. You can try searching archives, but AFAIR there was no solution except hints how to implement it. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 14:15:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1F571065678; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:15:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: from tinker.exit.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:47e::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 864938FC19; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:15:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: from jill.exit.com (jill.exit.com [IPv6:2001:470:80f4:0:2e0:81ff:fe33:7e9a]) by tinker.exit.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6VEEFFW043990; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:14:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=exit.com; s=tinker; t=1217513655; bh=xOOUoPJmRqCXUPw0HN3rh1LQBywYxk933h/GRlGB2Ws=; h=Subject:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date:Message-Id:Mime-Version; b=VuyFRlS1 Z3qFVJqJ0qgB1D5QojH1r8vyz6+jIYGeAkWY9SWxmC7Pi835EkdrpSV68SKYcPzxMHv sZjlsgu70y7bVVi8YGG2PmThCdArsPhZfdgO9NOM8QnPCP721iYK/abdbCMbpcqh5KN lX9xWMChBd7iG0WVBVIOGIzjFxdRs= Received: from jill.exit.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jill.exit.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6VEEqEm044692; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:14:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: (from frank@localhost) by jill.exit.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m6VEEp3U044691; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:14:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) X-Authentication-Warning: jill.exit.com: frank set sender to frank@exit.com using -f From: Frank Mayhar To: Achim Patzner In-Reply-To: References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> <3A7C430E-AA1C-4CF3-88F5-F7A0EBE3273A@bnc.net> <20080731100821.GA15213@eos.sc1.parodius.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Exit Consulting Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:14:50 -0700 Message-Id: <1217513690.44523.3.camel@jill.exit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93/7404/Sun Jun 8 09:19:18 2008 on tinker.exit.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-hackers , Jeremy Chadwick , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: frank@exit.com List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:15:09 -0000 On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 12:48 +0200, Achim Patzner wrote: > Wrong on both counts. I'm just using the appropriate tools for the jobs > that need to be done. And on the desktop FreeBSD just plain sucks in > comparison to Mac OS. The problem is that you are expressing your opinion as if it is a Basic Fact of the Universe. It ain't. Get over it. (For the record, I've been running FreeBSD on laptops for, well, lots of years now. Not to mention on my main desktop system for a lot longer than that. I'm _very_ happy with it. On the other hand, the Mac interface annoys me endlessly. But of course that's _my_ opinion.) -- Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/ Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/ http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/ http://www.zazzle.com/fmayhar* From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 15:29:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D371065670 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:29:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: from mired.org (five.mired.org [66.92.153.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE5398FC08 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:29:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: (qmail 20743 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 11:28:10 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO mbook.local) (192.168.195.193) by 0 with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 11:28:10 -0400 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:29:04 -0400 From: Mike Meyer To: Achim Patzner Message-ID: <20080731112904.52255aac@mbook.local> In-Reply-To: <3A7C430E-AA1C-4CF3-88F5-F7A0EBE3273A@bnc.net> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> <3A7C430E-AA1C-4CF3-88F5-F7A0EBE3273A@bnc.net> Organization: Meyer Consulting X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.9; i386-apple-darwin9.2.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:10:52 +0000 Cc: "Carlos A. M. dos Santos" , Dag-Erling =?UTF-8?B?U23DuHJncmF2?= , freebsd-hackers , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:29:08 -0000 On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:17:54 +0200 Achim Patzner wrote: > Getting X to run on the *censored* *even more censorship*? No problem, Like you say, it depends on what you want from X. Leopard's X was tolerable. Tiger broke full screen mode, and Apple doesn't have the resources to fix it. Running X tools in a Mac WM means you get the worst features of both, and I gave up on that after about 20 minutes. So I now run FreeBSD in VMWare - to get a usable X server and window manager. The apps - mostly from macports - all run under OSX. The application selection isn't as good as FreeBSD, but the results are about as close as you're going to get with full hardware support. FWIW, it looks like VirtualBox will have client-side tools support for FreeBSD in the next release (as in, it looks like it's in their repository), at which point that will become my preferred VM solution for FreeBSD clients. http://www.mired.org/consulting.html Independent Network/Unix/Perforce consultant, email for more information. O< ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 17:52:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77895106566B for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:52:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dewey.hylton@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F40F8FC08 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:52:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dewey.hylton@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so869709rvf.43 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:52:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=5gcyzCVFogMzjzztz7xhLs/KdoB/NBSzM7v+ZRYsOp8=; b=PoxsgTFmzholyFkuto1rTl9hVoLWzIqbC/fgKBgEuNScqQ6k0MjenDb2dyrpyP8USJ jpZUwRVQmOG0Av9zsqjB1xtpxnWFGIMiYlW7SDS+QkcEd5d1KDQ5xZzdb70rQuisyRlG usNE+sJ4ZWhTsdJTjQTonDMbek/7RsJCGBBO4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Yyw6rm6KClWV3iO+Lgr+KZbGOg0QBQSplyDnLDQ7RMJf55x+a4S2qyPUlpCrVEGrTx M72xtcqfrzhp+9LTuS5AW2IKEco870OxXLRoAWdF6NAj0Dmnhl/wSa0QgN5YPiD2zQWL jh0JIJRo77ykHIAsu+iA9j3ojuFBNXCvLjeOA= Received: by 10.141.87.13 with SMTP id p13mr5422143rvl.43.1217525276584; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:27:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.178.11 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:27:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3eec4c0d0807311027k66363ac5m17f600cb75d72f99@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:27:56 -0400 From: "Dewey Hylton" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: boot failure with twa device X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:52:27 -0000 anyone up to the task of helping me solve a freebsd boot problem? hardware: core2quad, 8gb ram, x16 pcie video, x16 pcie raid (3ware 9650se) motherboard: Asus P5N-E SLI / bios 1101 (20080707) amd64 bootcd: hangs when attempting to init raid (timeouts, bus resets) i386 bootcd: same as amd64 EXCEPT works with APIC disabled. results seem to be the same on 7.0-RELEASE, 7.0-STABLE-0807, and 8.0-CURRENT i don't believe it's pcie contention because replacing the video with pci yields same results and because this machine runs flawlessly, 64bit with APIC, with linux. can something possibly done, say hint.twa.0.xyz='foobar', to init the raid card as linux does? where do i start? bios for both raid and motherboard are up-to-date, but the symptoms were the same before and after updating both. thanks in advance; this one has me stumped and i haven't had luck with the lurkers in irc either. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 20:49:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7FC41065674 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:49:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from v.haisman@sh.cvut.cz) Received: from service1.sh.cvut.cz (service1.sh.cvut.cz [147.32.127.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FF558FC27 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:49:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from v.haisman@sh.cvut.cz) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by service1.sh.cvut.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22DF412370E; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:21:44 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at service1.sh.cvut.cz X-Spam-Score: -51.174 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-51.174 tagged_above=-255 required=5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.44, AWL=51.077, CRM114_HAM_00=, MISSING_HEADERS=0.189, SMTPAUTH_SHDOMAIN=-100] Received: from service1.sh.cvut.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (service1.sh.cvut.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jlThuVtCuM-P; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:21:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (r4v24.net.upc.cz [84.42.149.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: v.haisman@sh.cvut.cz) by service1.sh.cvut.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id B874312371D; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:21:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <48921EC7.70102@sh.cvut.cz> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:21:27 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?VsOhY2xhdiBIYWlzbWFu?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <4890B595.5060103@sh.cvut.cz> <4890E215.2020304@sh.cvut.cz> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig690367562705E394938F247A" Subject: Re: Locale woes. X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:49:13 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig690367562705E394938F247A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Marcin Wisnicki wrote, On 31.7.2008 15:23: > On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:50:13 +0200, V=C3=A1clav Haisman wrote: >=20 >> V=C3=A1clav Haisman wrote, On 30.7.2008 20:40: >>> Hi, >>> I have some problem with locales on FreeBSD 6.3. The attached test ca= se >>> fails with uncaught std::runtime_error exception: >> [...] >> I am able to run the test case successfuly when I compile it with >> STLport. So it seems there is something odd going on with just the >> libstdc++ that ships with GCC. On the other hand, it works fine with G= CC >> 4.1.2 on Gentoo/Linux. >=20 > Yes it is somewhat known problem that libstdc++ on FreeBSD does not=20 > support locales. I've seen some discussions about this in the past on=20 > freebsd lists. You can try searching archives, but AFAIR there was no=20 > solution except hints how to implement it. >=20 This is like...ugh!...totally unexpected. C locales seem to work and so d= o=20 STLport's so I thought it was just some sort misconfiguration. (I had reb= uilt=20 the world more than once in past.) I have found some posts in -stable about it. It seems like it would be qu= ite=20 a lot of work to implement it, both, either implementing the required POS= IX=20 functionality or implementing it atop the existing. Sounds like nice GSoC= =20 task for somebody with more zeal than I have. -- VH --------------enig690367562705E394938F247A Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) iFYEAREIAAYFAkiSHs4ACgkQhQBMvHf/WHk3FADgn9xjidJ4XP72/GGAqO4vxoMV 6BLBwTx8YOjj3gDgoxOm8IEB/IAOj5hmXDi1LXhvYteG6dRYzHOJkA== =siGQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig690367562705E394938F247A-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 23:26:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB0A1065676 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:26:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unixmania@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C92218FC13 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:26:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unixmania@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id q2so485804uge.37 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:26:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=skuhZ0n09twp2Rp5b+CDBlK1GhU0hj6X57Z3TW+QwDQ=; b=uHsKa06gwEeX220JJ/p19IclSCrx77fTpwTbn94oFTzJN3FAUdo8zd/P+5eUjChw8r FGXjLbUMv9oBtbt2qW73Ul3Ad1obsGNGx/Hl0u67B+6tLbTYSjrRVihwX/aAh14UILdW zuRnxlQhfWsll0C8f/D6D125xAZEPzpFxjBIo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=DLrn+SSNFeuRGN16LaWfONiCDKidqWoo6cBSDgc4g9ffcADBbIkzRfWT/qiPbWyQNH YQEPjurpYHiIJNVK5RKP3Gc8EWpODaPrH+L9dXoxoLN1hEPAy8JcGmlZXk98ix0HTDC0 OrOPoOW0XBczfwyfqHfpNWZ2jCfWDScL94N8c= Received: by 10.67.116.15 with SMTP id t15mr3129329ugm.53.1217546789642; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.234.1 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:26:29 -0300 From: "Carlos A. M. dos Santos" To: "Tom Evans" In-Reply-To: <1217505964.78925.12.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> <1217505964.78925.12.camel@localhost> Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:26:31 -0000 On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Tom Evans wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 21:45 -0300, Carlos A. M. dos Santos wrote: >> Please define "comfortable". I've been running FreeBSD 7.0 pretty >> comfortably on my HP nx6320 for several months now. I never attempted >> to use neither Bluetooth nor the fingerprint reader, so I don't miss >> them. The only real drawback I've found was that the memory card >> reader does not work. I also ran 8.0-CURRENT on a HP 6910p because 7.0 >> did not support the WI-FI card. > Another happy BSD user on HP - nc6320 this time though. intel(4x) > graphics, wpi(4) wifi, bge(4) networking, fwochi(4) firewire, serial > port, plenty of USB ports. Even the fingerprint scanner works > (security/libfprint). > I don't use bluetooth or the card reader, so cannot comment on them. > > The one down side of my HP laptop is the HP BIOS refuses to start up > with a different wifi card installed - I'd quite like to use an ath(4) > based card.. Do you have an up-to-date BIOS? I had some problems booting from USB that I could solve using the latest BIOS version. -- If you think things can't get worse it's probably only because you lack sufficient imagination. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 06:08:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C21CD106566B; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 06:08:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@cs.huji.ac.il) Received: from cs1.cs.huji.ac.il (cs1.cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E28B8FC0A; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 06:08:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@cs.huji.ac.il) Received: from pampa.cs.huji.ac.il ([132.65.80.32]) by cs1.cs.huji.ac.il with esmtp id 1KOnoJ-000BNn-Tp; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 09:08:19 +0300 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.2 To: Jeremy Chadwick In-reply-to: <20080731100821.GA15213@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> <3A7C430E-AA1C-4CF3-88F5-F7A0EBE3273A@bnc.net> <20080731100821.GA15213@eos.sc1.parodius.com> Comments: In-reply-to Jeremy Chadwick message dated "Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:08:21 -0700." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 09:08:19 +0300 From: Danny Braniss Message-ID: Cc: "Carlos A. M. dos Santos" , Achim Patzner , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers , =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav=22?= Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 06:08:22 -0000 > On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:17:54AM +0200, Achim Patzner wrote: > > Drivers? Who cares. Serial port? Just plug in an USB-to-serial. > > You've obviously never used a USB-to-serial adapter. Are you aware of > the fact that there is no serial device class as part of the USB > specification? (Quite a great irony, if you ask me. Universal SERIAL > Bus, yet no serial device class...) AFAIK, there isn't even a draft > proposal for such. > and even more amazing, that we still have to configure the baudrate! > You *must* have drivers for a USB-to-serial adapter. And every adapter > is different, depending upon the adapter chipset used, many of which are > not disclosed in product specifications, so there's no way to guarantee > it'll work with FreeBSD. On -stable (I believe) some people have > mentioned which USB-to-serial adapters work great under FreeBSD and > Windows, while others are horrible (dropping characters, broken flow > control, interrupt issues, and many other problems). > > > It's a perfect machine for the desktop; I've forbidden FreeBSD to come > > creeping out the server room some years ago. I need it for keeping the > > penguins away, it's really good at that (no wonder - pitchforks do > > hurt). > > But it's a pain for desktoppy things - so why shouldn't I use something > > less useful? And the other way round: Running Mac OS X Server is the > > most painful thing I've ever been paid for; I've been replacing a lot of > > them with FreeBSD-based servers. > > The amount of rhetoric in these two paragraphs is amazing; I literally > cannot tell if you're trolling with anti-FreeBSD propaganda, or if > you're trolling with pro-FreeBSD propaganda. Congratulations, you've > confused at least one reader. there is an old saying, If Moses can't get to the hill, the hill will come to Moses or is it the other way round? get a serial to ethernet gadgets, or use IPMI/ILO/or-whatever-will-be-next. I agree with Achim, I also tried to run FreeBSD on some laptops, and I lost. The Mac has some drawbacks, sure, but it has - still - a Unix flavour, and FreeBSD still rocks on the servers, slightly less on the descktop - nvidia ... danny From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 08:19:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57C7D1065674 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:19:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tevans.uk@googlemail.com) Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFBB28FC29 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:19:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tevans.uk@googlemail.com) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c30so1591855ika.3 for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:19:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:cc :in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version :x-mailer; bh=fsRg9+vqRXSAuQc62KKnL4Ns6JCWrbHtOzExNtBUq1E=; b=FwMTGI53o1EVhWm+t2o/HrsJYn2gsVPwzzVbd8663TxV+rVwr8OFwtQqwUT0l3a4Df +49xj+Oz0eTSnR2ZCDpke3lusFi/7AFO8udvFOuKg5WWVJj/zkrciTI2DQWch3g3ontv HKtSEecErUnZqSwzGJ6QWzevydu3s8Cq3YDWU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date :message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; b=pJhh6c2YSvV1StI0tfKOtMQ6TNEGrVC6mPeKmLjoHdl6jqzJniRQJF0H68z0Lvu0bD 1eN2ukAj83dOVqWjHCdNkqBJCxGLUvbU6aCu8pnlUMyg9Cua9UC/8VrTddvvDndEICRx TMEgwUJaAU6FqtGDpoCm+eB8M2CjxFB2EyTfc= Received: by 10.210.127.13 with SMTP id z13mr8622795ebc.106.1217578792067; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:19:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?127.0.0.1? ( [217.206.187.80]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t12sm2120105gvd.10.2008.08.01.01.19.50 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:19:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Evans To: "Carlos A. M. dos Santos" In-Reply-To: References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> <1217505964.78925.12.camel@localhost> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-wNODDrESJ36Wk0MKLW+A" Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 09:19:47 +0100 Message-Id: <1217578788.78925.17.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:19:54 -0000 --=-wNODDrESJ36Wk0MKLW+A Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 20:26 -0300, Carlos A. M. dos Santos wrote: > On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Tom Evans wro= te: > > > > On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 21:45 -0300, Carlos A. M. dos Santos wrote: > >> Please define "comfortable". I've been running FreeBSD 7.0 pretty > >> comfortably on my HP nx6320 for several months now. I never attempted > >> to use neither Bluetooth nor the fingerprint reader, so I don't miss > >> them. The only real drawback I've found was that the memory card > >> reader does not work. I also ran 8.0-CURRENT on a HP 6910p because 7.0 > >> did not support the WI-FI card. >=20 > > Another happy BSD user on HP - nc6320 this time though. intel(4x) > > graphics, wpi(4) wifi, bge(4) networking, fwochi(4) firewire, serial > > port, plenty of USB ports. Even the fingerprint scanner works > > (security/libfprint). > > I don't use bluetooth or the card reader, so cannot comment on them. > > > > The one down side of my HP laptop is the HP BIOS refuses to start up > > with a different wifi card installed - I'd quite like to use an ath(4) > > based card.. >=20 > Do you have an up-to-date BIOS? I had some problems booting from USB > that I could solve using the latest BIOS version. >=20 Yes, latest BIOS. If you search through the BIOS file, it is fairly easy to find the list of 'approved' HP vendor/device ids that it will allow to be put in the mini pci-e slot and still boot up (there are only 4 distinct device ids defined in the BIOS). I've considered just manually editing it to replace one of the device ids with my replacement card, but I fear I would probably brick the laptop! Tom --=-wNODDrESJ36Wk0MKLW+A Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAkiSxyAACgkQlcRvFfyds/cnDwCeOSoX0KWOIKipVNIgqYINriCT HbEAoJYnrEzsPmHb78T/mlgUV++AZDOj =/RIO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-wNODDrESJ36Wk0MKLW+A-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 11:11:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 597E810656C2 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 11:11:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from mail16.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail16.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.197]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF37B8FC1C for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 11:11:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (c122-106-215-175.belrs3.nsw.optusnet.com.au [122.106.215.175]) by mail16.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m71BBbw6003136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 1 Aug 2008 21:11:37 +1000 Received: from server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (localhost.vk2pj.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) by server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m71BBarP063326; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 21:11:36 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m71BBaqg063325; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 21:11:36 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 21:11:36 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy To: Zaphod Beeblebrox Message-ID: <20080801111136.GS1359@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <200807251802.23984.lists@jnielsen.net> <1217120187.37762.7.camel@jill.exit.com> <5f67a8c40807271423t3dc1e89bn7295b9af9fa0eda5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MIdTMoZhcV1D07fI" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5f67a8c40807271423t3dc1e89bn7295b9af9fa0eda5@mail.gmail.com> X-PGP-Key: http://members.optusnet.com.au/peterjeremy/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 11:11:40 -0000 --MIdTMoZhcV1D07fI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2008-Jul-27 17:23:46 -0400, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: > we'd need a method of remembering what file handles were >connected to so that they could be "reopened" (in this, I envision some ty= pe >of text string... maybe a URI/URL). As a bonus, this would give us process >migration between systems, too (assuming the URI were portable between self >same systems --- which isn't horribly hard with nfs mounts and whatnot). What you are describing here sounds more like the process checkpointing functionality that Softway (I think it was) developed sometime last century. There should be a paper on it in an AUUG Conference Proceedings somewhere. Process checkpointing is somewhat different to suspend/resume: With suspend/resume, you are saving the entire system state - which is basically a matter of dumping physical RAM to disk and being able to restore it later. You don't need to be able to isolate individual processes and there's no need to 'reopen' file handles because they will automatically re-instantiate when you restore the kernel state that included them being open. --=20 Peter Jeremy Please excuse any delays as the result of my ISP's inability to implement an MTA that is either RFC2821-compliant or matches their claimed behaviour. --MIdTMoZhcV1D07fI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkiS72gACgkQ/opHv/APuIfwZwCgwA4l/Ndk7SxxZWmMc47RcBkx musAn0ZUFkcKmy+RJ6UFipzon5oqjRkD =QWXV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MIdTMoZhcV1D07fI-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 13:14:21 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD5F10657D5 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:14:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alik@klikni.cz) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C6A8FC13 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:14:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alik@klikni.cz) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id h3so530648nfh.33 for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 06:14:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.125.125.5 with SMTP id c5mr562003mkn.158.1217594922386; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 05:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.125.163.10 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 05:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:48:42 +0200 From: "Alik Dolezal" To: "Jeremy Chadwick" In-Reply-To: <20080724202140.GA2893@eos.sc1.parodius.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <20080724202140.GA2893@eos.sc1.parodius.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Zamri Besar , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? 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( [213.152.137.38]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 12sm1492325fgg.0.2008.08.01.07.17.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:17:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48931AD1.1090609@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:16:49 +0400 From: sam User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nate Eldredge References: <489036A2.5060403@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: consolekit on 7.0-STABLE i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:17:13 -0000 Nate Eldredge wrote: > On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, sam wrote: > >> >> 0 19 0 1113M 29M 112 0 0 0 32 0 0 1 100 5549 >> 1682 11 1 88 >> 0 19 0 1113M 29M 297 0 0 0 136 0 0 2 122 78880 >> 1749 6 7 87 >> |-------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> consolekit in |waitvt state, influencing on high volumes in procs-b > > I don't understand what the problem is. It looks like consolekit is > sleeping and not using any CPU. "waitvt" just indicates where in the > kernel it's sleeping. I don't understand what you mean by "high > volumes in procs-b". > How-To-Repeat: -------------------------------------------------------------- # (|cd /usr/ports/sysutils/consolekit/ && make install clean) # /usr/local/etc/rc.d/dbus forcestart # vmstat -w 1 procs memory page disk faults cpu r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr ad0 in sy cs us sy id 2 1 0 62252K 644M 88 0 0 0 80 0 0 2 83 279 1 1 98 0 1 0 62252K 644M 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 134 292 0 3 97 0 1 0 62252K 644M 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 123 299 0 2 98 1 1 0 62252K 644M 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 120 305 0 3 97 ^C # /usr/local/sbin/console-kit-daemon && vmstat -w 1 procs memory page disk faults cpu r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr ad0 in sy cs us sy id 2 1 0 67572K 643M 88 0 0 0 80 0 0 2 83 279 1 1 98 0 16 0 68660K 643M 103 0 0 0 2 0 10 13 643 381 2 4 94 0 16 0 68660K 643M 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 120 281 0 4 96 0 16 0 68660K 643M 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 120 278 0 3 97 0 16 0 68660K 643M 0 0 0 0 12 0 28 34 120 385 0 3 97 0 16 0 68660K 643M 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 120 292 0 3 97 ^C # |-------------------------------------------------------------- please, any solution ... | |/Vladimir Ermakov From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 14:31:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC939106564A for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:31:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from mail.zoral.com.ua (skuns.zoral.com.ua [91.193.166.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50D478FC0A for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:31:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua (root@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua [10.1.1.148]) by mail.zoral.com.ua (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m71EVTsJ017672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:31:29 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua (kostik@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m71EVSR9072958; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:31:28 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: (from kostik@localhost) by deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m71EVSGs072957; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:31:28 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) X-Authentication-Warning: deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua: kostik set sender to kostikbel@gmail.com using -f Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:31:28 +0300 From: Kostik Belousov To: sam Message-ID: <20080801143128.GJ97161@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> References: <489036A2.5060403@gmail.com> <48931AD1.1090609@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DnQ8R2kNBE8VLNdv" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <48931AD1.1090609@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on skuns.kiev.zoral.com.ua X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on skuns.kiev.zoral.com.ua Cc: Nate Eldredge , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: consolekit on 7.0-STABLE i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:31:33 -0000 --DnQ8R2kNBE8VLNdv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 06:16:49PM +0400, sam wrote: > Nate Eldredge wrote: > >On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, sam wrote: > > > >> > >>0 19 0 1113M 29M 112 0 0 0 32 0 0 1 100 5549=20 > >>1682 11 1 88 > >>0 19 0 1113M 29M 297 0 0 0 136 0 0 2 122 78880=20 > >>1749 6 7 87 > >>|-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >>consolekit in |waitvt state, influencing on high volumes in procs-b > > > >I don't understand what the problem is. It looks like consolekit is=20 > >sleeping and not using any CPU. "waitvt" just indicates where in the=20 > >kernel it's sleeping. I don't understand what you mean by "high=20 > >volumes in procs-b". > > > How-To-Repeat: > -------------------------------------------------------------- > # (|cd /usr/ports/sysutils/consolekit/ && make install clean) >=20 > # /usr/local/etc/rc.d/dbus forcestart >=20 > # vmstat -w 1 > procs memory page disk faults cpu > r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr ad0 in sy cs us=20 > sy id > 2 1 0 62252K 644M 88 0 0 0 80 0 0 2 83 279 1 = =20 > 1 98 > 0 1 0 62252K 644M 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 134 292 0 = =20 > 3 97 > 0 1 0 62252K 644M 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 123 299 0 = =20 > 2 98 > 1 1 0 62252K 644M 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 120 305 0 = =20 > 3 97 > ^C > # /usr/local/sbin/console-kit-daemon && vmstat -w 1 > procs memory page disk faults cpu > r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr ad0 in sy cs us=20 > sy id > 2 1 0 67572K 643M 88 0 0 0 80 0 0 2 83 279 1 = =20 > 1 98 > 0 16 0 68660K 643M 103 0 0 0 2 0 10 13 643 381 =20 > 2 4 94 > 0 16 0 68660K 643M 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 120 281 =20 > 0 4 96 > 0 16 0 68660K 643M 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 120 278 =20 > 0 3 97 > 0 16 0 68660K 643M 0 0 0 0 12 0 28 34 120 385 =20 > 0 3 97 > 0 16 0 68660K 643M 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 120 292 =20 > 0 3 97 > ^C > # > |-------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > please, any solution ... Solution for what ? There is nothing wrong with the system. For the purely estetisk purpose, you may look up the line tsleep(VTY_WCHAN(sc, i), PZERO | PCATCH, "waitvt", 0); or similar in sys/dev/syscons/syscons.c, and remove the "PZERO |" substring from it. --DnQ8R2kNBE8VLNdv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkiTHj8ACgkQC3+MBN1Mb4jBdwCdGAvRTa+Yw2z21JSZhq+RiyXP 25EAoJ76XZypXbk4uuCUEA4WLVaF3Yk7 =UY9+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --DnQ8R2kNBE8VLNdv-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 14:38:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 414C8106566C for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:38:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from samflanker@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 975DB8FC14 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:38:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from samflanker@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so1282733fgb.35 for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:38:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EfzXtrgfarOk44Fxb0eGlVdT6n+cQQNa6Ue5m1p6A1c=; b=fwW3PifnfdiS3Kb0VvwUtfXgbEhFk5yR3hTbcsSQarrFZGU5tHgBIiNUrJINHtseje K2GMefawJYKDyJTe4qhSsgdHKlzsRtsMQcU+g/VlRb5AzZKdJ+IDDZ9Jgp3jfLlTbhcO sEb/VJjGBKGvYGEAP8L+qIZEtlynGHw4lRkHc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eFAgjn8GWR0eGSUwEXyZxxCJndn9lY6MIWtqUgEjFVOfn7fIsG5pty0Itb4Vj+hTlD XlVtSntZuQfupI+ocv+KqETLNlGlYnIgoQy+8Phs0l87LTaBDfEjt3se9aN1YYxwO0CU eOUwhtlBc8D7Ryf5sBuONltarj9k/Gh1ZnHhY= Received: by 10.86.36.11 with SMTP id j11mr7372997fgj.7.1217601509507; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.107? ( [213.152.137.38]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d6sm1232424fga.2.2008.08.01.07.38.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:38:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48931FD5.1050604@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:38:13 +0400 From: sam User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kostik Belousov References: <489036A2.5060403@gmail.com> <48931AD1.1090609@gmail.com> <20080801143128.GJ97161@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> In-Reply-To: <20080801143128.GJ97161@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Nate Eldredge , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: consolekit on 7.0-STABLE i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:38:31 -0000 Kostik Belousov wrote: > On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 06:16:49PM +0400, sam wrote: > >> Nate Eldredge wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, sam wrote: >>> >>> >>>> 0 19 0 1113M 29M 112 0 0 0 32 0 0 1 100 5549 >>>> 1682 11 1 88 >>>> 0 19 0 1113M 29M 297 0 0 0 136 0 0 2 122 78880 >>>> 1749 6 7 87 >>>> |-------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> consolekit in |waitvt state, influencing on high volumes in procs-b >>>> >>> I don't understand what the problem is. It looks like consolekit is >>> sleeping and not using any CPU. "waitvt" just indicates where in the >>> kernel it's sleeping. I don't understand what you mean by "high >>> volumes in procs-b". >>> >>> >> How-To-Repeat: >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> # (|cd /usr/ports/sysutils/consolekit/ && make install clean) >> >> # /usr/local/etc/rc.d/dbus forcestart >> >> # vmstat -w 1 >> procs memory page disk faults cpu >> r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr ad0 in sy cs us >> sy id >> 2 1 0 62252K 644M 88 0 0 0 80 0 0 2 83 279 1 >> 1 98 >> 0 1 0 62252K 644M 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 134 292 0 >> 3 97 >> 0 1 0 62252K 644M 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 123 299 0 >> 2 98 >> 1 1 0 62252K 644M 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 120 305 0 >> 3 97 >> ^C >> # /usr/local/sbin/console-kit-daemon && vmstat -w 1 >> procs memory page disk faults cpu >> r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr ad0 in sy cs us >> sy id >> 2 1 0 67572K 643M 88 0 0 0 80 0 0 2 83 279 1 >> 1 98 >> 0 16 0 68660K 643M 103 0 0 0 2 0 10 13 643 381 >> 2 4 94 >> 0 16 0 68660K 643M 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 120 281 >> 0 4 96 >> 0 16 0 68660K 643M 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 120 278 >> 0 3 97 >> 0 16 0 68660K 643M 0 0 0 0 12 0 28 34 120 385 >> 0 3 97 >> 0 16 0 68660K 643M 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 120 292 >> 0 3 97 >> ^C >> # >> |-------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> please, any solution ... >> > > Solution for what ? There is nothing wrong with the system. > > For the purely estetisk purpose, you may look up the line > tsleep(VTY_WCHAN(sc, i), PZERO | PCATCH, "waitvt", 0); > or similar in sys/dev/syscons/syscons.c, and remove the "PZERO |" substring > from it. > high volumes in proc-b - normal ? From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 15:04:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 836AD106567D for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:04:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from mail.zoral.com.ua (skuns.zoral.com.ua [91.193.166.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162328FC1F for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:04:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua (root@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua [10.1.1.148]) by mail.zoral.com.ua (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m71F4X2V019108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 1 Aug 2008 18:04:34 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua (kostik@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m71F4XsN073537; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 18:04:33 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: (from kostik@localhost) by deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m71F4XeX073536; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 18:04:33 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) X-Authentication-Warning: deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua: kostik set sender to kostikbel@gmail.com using -f Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 18:04:33 +0300 From: Kostik Belousov To: sam Message-ID: <20080801150433.GK97161@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> References: <489036A2.5060403@gmail.com> <48931AD1.1090609@gmail.com> <20080801143128.GJ97161@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> <48931FD5.1050604@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZcSASNCKFtrdv99s" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <48931FD5.1050604@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on skuns.kiev.zoral.com.ua X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on skuns.kiev.zoral.com.ua Cc: Nate Eldredge , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: consolekit on 7.0-STABLE i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:04:38 -0000 --ZcSASNCKFtrdv99s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 06:38:13PM +0400, sam wrote: > Kostik Belousov wrote: > >On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 06:16:49PM +0400, sam wrote: > > =20 > >>Nate Eldredge wrote: > >> =20 > >>>On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, sam wrote: > >>> > >>> =20 > >>>>0 19 0 1113M 29M 112 0 0 0 32 0 0 1 100 5549= =20 > >>>>1682 11 1 88 > >>>>0 19 0 1113M 29M 297 0 0 0 136 0 0 2 122 78880= =20 > >>>>1749 6 7 87 > >>>>|-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> > >>>>consolekit in |waitvt state, influencing on high volumes in procs-b > >>>> =20 > >>>I don't understand what the problem is. It looks like consolekit is= =20 > >>>sleeping and not using any CPU. "waitvt" just indicates where in the= =20 > >>>kernel it's sleeping. I don't understand what you mean by "high=20 > >>>volumes in procs-b". > >>> > >>> =20 > >>How-To-Repeat: > >>-------------------------------------------------------------- > >># (|cd /usr/ports/sysutils/consolekit/ && make install clean) > >> > >># /usr/local/etc/rc.d/dbus forcestart > >> > >># vmstat -w 1 > >>procs memory page disk faults cpu > >>r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr ad0 in sy cs us= =20 > >>sy id > >>2 1 0 62252K 644M 88 0 0 0 80 0 0 2 83 279 1 = =20 > >>1 98 > >>0 1 0 62252K 644M 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 134 292 0 = =20 > >>3 97 > >>0 1 0 62252K 644M 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 123 299 0 = =20 > >>2 98 > >>1 1 0 62252K 644M 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 120 305 0 = =20 > >>3 97 > >>^C > >># /usr/local/sbin/console-kit-daemon && vmstat -w 1 > >>procs memory page disk faults cpu > >>r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr ad0 in sy cs us= =20 > >>sy id > >>2 1 0 67572K 643M 88 0 0 0 80 0 0 2 83 279 1 = =20 > >>1 98 > >>0 16 0 68660K 643M 103 0 0 0 2 0 10 13 643 381 = =20 > >>2 4 94 > >>0 16 0 68660K 643M 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 120 281 = =20 > >>0 4 96 > >>0 16 0 68660K 643M 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 120 278 = =20 > >>0 3 97 > >>0 16 0 68660K 643M 0 0 0 0 12 0 28 34 120 385 = =20 > >>0 3 97 > >>0 16 0 68660K 643M 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 120 292 = =20 > >>0 3 97 > >>^C > >># > >>|-------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >>please, any solution ... > >> =20 > > > >Solution for what ? There is nothing wrong with the system. > > > >For the purely estetisk purpose, you may look up the line > > tsleep(VTY_WCHAN(sc, i), PZERO | PCATCH, "waitvt", 0); > >or similar in sys/dev/syscons/syscons.c, and remove the "PZERO |" substr= ing > >from it. > > =20 > high volumes in proc-b - normal ? This is a counter of the processes sleeping with a priority less or equal to the PZERO. Each waitvt sleep is performed with the priority PZERO, and each process sleeping on waitvt counts in the "proc-b". --ZcSASNCKFtrdv99s Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkiTJgEACgkQC3+MBN1Mb4g+HQCg5u1oOXD5oTrK1vGamHc7G8xd 9+0AoL8ZMgv9L2B/i9h3MaLss4A8GoHb =mXsO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZcSASNCKFtrdv99s-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 1 21:33:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66CEB1065675; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 21:33:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lulf@freebsd.org) Received: from bene2.itea.ntnu.no (bene2.itea.ntnu.no [IPv6:2001:700:300:3::57]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6E308FC1D; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 21:33:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lulf@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bene2.itea.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE0B590005; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 23:33:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from nobby.studby.ntnu.no (unknown [IPv6:2001:700:300:3::184]) by bene2.itea.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB6990001; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 23:33:33 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 23:33:15 +0200 From: Ulf Lilleengen To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080801213315.GA6002@nobby.studby.ntnu.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at bene2.itea.ntnu.no Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-wip@freebsd.org Subject: [Call for testers] New cvsmode for csup patch X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:33:36 -0000 --YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello again, Even in these new subversion days, I'm not giving up :) Thanks for the feed= back I got on the previous patches. It brought some issues with the patch that s= hould now be fixed. It took some time, but I've been priotitizing other projects. However, here are a list of the changes: - Someone experienced segfaults when doing an update. This was because using wrong format specifier to proto_printf. - Some parts of the protocol was missing, such as support for the Z command= , and supporting U in cvsmode. This is now implemented. - The rcsfile implementation would use huge amounts of memory when running diffs. Lately, it was easier to pinpoint where this happened due to huge = diff chains, showing clearly where the memory was lost. This is now fixed, and= csup seems to have a stable memory usage. Please report if you see otherwise. - Some simplifications and removal of code that is not needed. - Added an update of the usr.bin/csup Makefile. Thanks to kris@ for pointing this out. I hope all of you that tried the previous patch will try this one. Your pre= vious feedback was valuable in finding out where I should look to fix these probl= ems. Patches can be found for CURRENT: http://people.freebsd.org/~lulf/patches/csup/csup_2008-08-01_CURRENT.diff and 7-STABLE: http://people.freebsd.org/~lulf/patches/csup/csup_2008-08-01_RELENG_7.diff Any feedback welcome! --=20 Ulf Lilleengen --YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkiTgRoACgkQCILg8nMIdCVULwCfdQfIh93S8syPhoBsLkSY8bXp Y8gAnRuskBTwvzHrr68ItIp/Ho2aQ3RZ =Xonr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4--