From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 28 00:06:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 192571065688; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 00:06:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: from tinker.exit.com (tinker.exit.com [IPv6:2001:470:80f4:0:2e0:81ff:fe2b:acbc]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C958FC16; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 00:06:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: from jill.exit.com (jill.exit.com [IPv6:2001:470:80f4:0:2e0:81ff:fe33:7e9a]) by tinker.exit.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m8S041Bi062714; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:04:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=exit.com; s=tinker; t=1222560241; bh=dhkoX5joeEGphcUinArZI3JrKQW5g8/Vdid/uBy3oN8=; h=Subject:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date:Message-Id:Mime-Version; b=GCgix1zG Of4vN5fN/omtVvmi8jwpQARIkZCLrrMmhG8A+fP4eXCK0yX0JVT9A049bxcgNhnkkH7 Ef2Uzbfj5DWeh87qkgaVHhnUQ+N3L6lgxn16wzGLU82ZTtwwy5W0GppWwq9+m5JKrgj LwqUiqlpElmH64l113wwYeE5kHSeA= Received: from jill.exit.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jill.exit.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m8S06kEq090386; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:06:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: (from frank@localhost) by jill.exit.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m8S06kIH090385; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:06:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) X-Authentication-Warning: jill.exit.com: frank set sender to frank@exit.com using -f From: Frank Mayhar To: Sam Leffler In-Reply-To: <48DBB3EF.3060909@freebsd.org> References: <1222317948.1740.10.camel@jill.exit.com> <48DBB3EF.3060909@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Exit Consulting Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:06:46 -0700 Message-Id: <1222560406.89800.10.camel@jill.exit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/8346/Sat Sep 27 00:08:52 2008 on tinker.exit.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-mobile Subject: Re: Atheros wireless problems. X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: frank@exit.com List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 00:06:48 -0000 On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 08:53 -0700, Sam Leffler wrote: > Frank Mayhar wrote: > > So I obtained a D-Link DWL-AG660 cardbus card, which has a 5213 (I > > believe) Atheros chipset in it; it's an a/b/g card. This is to use > > while the chipset embedded in my laptop isn't supported. It came today, > > I installed it tonight and, well, problems. > The status codes look bogus. In 0.10.5.10 there is a code path through > reset where status is not set if the chip is not brought out of low > power mode. Why this might happen is beyond me (could be a cardbus > problem) but if you initialize status to a known value before the hal > calls that are failing this might confirm that as the problem. I've > fixed the hal fwiw. That's definitely not the problem, it seems. I modified the driver to zero 'status' in each of the routines that emit the message. When I ran it today, it emitted the 'device timeout' and 'unable to reset hardware' messages: Sep 27 14:33:59 auton kernel: ath0: device timeout Sep 27 14:33:59 auton kernel: ath0: ath_reset: unable to reset hardware; hal status 19600117 Sep 27 14:34:21 auton kernel: ath0: device timeout Sep 27 14:34:21 auton kernel: ath0: ath_reset: unable to reset hardware; hal status 19600117 The only difference was that this time the status was always 19600117. A verbose boot, btw, gets this: Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: mem 0xf2110000-0xf211ffff irq 17 at device 0.0 on cardbus0 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: Reserved 0x10000 bytes for rid 0x10 type 3 at 0xf2110000 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: cbb0: Opening memory: Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: cbb0: Normal: 0xf2110000-0xf211ffff Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: [MPSAFE] Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: [ITHREAD] Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 2412/a0 -> 1 maxpow 36 minpow -3 maxreg 27 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 2412/c0 -> 1 maxpow 36 minpow -2 maxreg 27 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 2417/a0 -> 2 maxpow 36 minpow -3 maxreg 27 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 2417/c0 -> 2 maxpow 36 minpow -2 maxreg 27 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 2422/a0 -> 3 maxpow 36 minpow -3 maxreg 27 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 2422/c0 -> 3 maxpow 36 minpow -2 maxreg 27 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 2427/a0 -> 4 maxpow 36 minpow -3 maxreg 27 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 2427/c0 -> 4 maxpow 36 minpow -2 maxreg 27 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 2432/a0 -> 5 maxpow 36 minpow -3 maxreg 27 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 2432/c0 -> 5 maxpow 36 minpow -2 maxreg 27 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 2437/a0 -> 6 maxpow 36 minpow -3 maxreg 27 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 2437/c0 -> 6 maxpow 36 minpow -2 maxreg 27 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 2437/d0 -> 6 maxpow 32 minpow -2 maxreg 20 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 2442/a0 -> 7 maxpow 36 minpow -3 maxreg 27 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 2442/c0 -> 7 maxpow 36 minpow -1 maxreg 27 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 2447/a0 -> 8 maxpow 36 minpow -3 maxreg 27 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 2447/c0 -> 8 maxpow 36 minpow -1 maxreg 27 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 2452/a0 -> 9 maxpow 36 minpow -3 maxreg 27 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 2452/c0 -> 9 maxpow 36 minpow -1 maxreg 27 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 2457/a0 -> 10 maxpow 36 minpow -3 maxreg 27 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 2457/c0 -> 10 maxpow 36 minpow -1 maxreg 27 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 2462/a0 -> 11 maxpow 36 minpow -3 maxreg 27 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 2462/c0 -> 11 maxpow 36 minpow -1 maxreg 27 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 5180/140 -> 36 maxpow 34 minpow -8 maxreg 17 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 5200/140 -> 40 maxpow 34 minpow -8 maxreg 17 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 5200/150 -> 40 maxpow 32 minpow -8 maxreg 17 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 5210/2150 -> 42 maxpow 32 minpow -7 maxreg 17 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 5220/140 -> 44 maxpow 34 minpow -7 maxreg 17 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 5240/140 -> 48 maxpow 34 minpow -7 maxreg 17 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 5240/150 -> 48 maxpow 32 minpow -7 maxreg 17 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 5250/2150 -> 50 maxpow 32 minpow -7 maxreg 23 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 5260/140 -> 52 maxpow 34 minpow -7 maxreg 23 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 5280/140 -> 56 maxpow 34 minpow -6 maxreg 23 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 5280/150 -> 56 maxpow 32 minpow -6 maxreg 23 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 5290/2150 -> 58 maxpow 32 minpow -6 maxreg 23 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 5300/140 -> 60 maxpow 34 minpow -6 maxreg 23 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 5320/140 -> 64 maxpow 34 minpow -5 maxreg 23 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 5745/140 -> 149 maxpow 34 minpow 10 maxreg 30 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 5760/2150 -> 152 maxpow 32 minpow 10 maxreg 30 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 5765/140 -> 153 maxpow 34 minpow 11 maxreg 30 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 5765/150 -> 153 maxpow 32 minpow 11 maxreg 30 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 5785/140 -> 157 maxpow 34 minpow 11 maxreg 30 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 5800/2150 -> 160 maxpow 32 minpow 12 maxreg 30 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 5805/140 -> 161 maxpow 34 minpow 12 maxreg 30 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 5805/150 -> 161 maxpow 32 minpow 12 maxreg 30 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: hal channel 5825/140 -> 165 maxpow 34 minpow 13 maxreg 30 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: WARNING: using obsoleted if_watchdog interface Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: bpf attached Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: 11a rates: 6Mbps 9Mbps 12Mbps 18Mbps 24Mbps36Mbps 48Mbps 54Mbps Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: 11b rates: 1Mbps 2Mbps 5.5Mbps 11Mbps Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: 11g rates: 1Mbps 2Mbps 5.5Mbps 11Mbps 6Mbps9Mbps 12Mbps 18Mbps 24Mbps 36Mbps 48Mbps 54Mbps Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: turboA rates: 6Mbps 9Mbps 12Mbps 18Mbps 24Mbps 36Mbps 48Mbps 54Mbps Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: sturboA rates: Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: mac 5.9 phy 4.3 radio 3.6 Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: Use hw queue 1 for WME_AC_BE traffic Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: Use hw queue 0 for WME_AC_BK traffic Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: Use hw queue 2 for WME_AC_VI traffic Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: Use hw queue 3 for WME_AC_VO traffic Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: Use hw queue 8 for CAB traffic Sep 27 14:38:43 auton kernel: ath0: Use hw queue 9 for beacons Sep 27 14:38:52 auton kernel: ath0: Reserved 0x10000 bytes for rid 0x10 type 3 at 0xf2110000 Anything else I might try? -- Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/ Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/ http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/ http://www.zazzle.com/fmayhar* From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 28 06:01:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB5D1065687 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 06:01:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unixmania@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.155]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0AC38FC13 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 06:01:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unixmania@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so1045729fgb.35 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:01:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=yZiwt7E1RwQJ/DrOIg481hIMELzwIhQ4VlRrMhq47zA=; 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M. dos Santos" To: "Oleksandr Tymoshenko" In-Reply-To: <48DEA4EC.3030300@bluezbox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <48DEA8E7.2080503@FreeBSD.org> <48DEA4EC.3030300@bluezbox.com> Cc: Alexander Motin , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, imp@freebsd.org, freebsd-arm@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: PCI SD host controller driver & mmc/mmcsd modules improvements X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 06:01:28 -0000 On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Oleksandr Tymoshenko wrote: > Alexander Motin wrote: >> >> Hi. > >> >> Latest patches against 8-CURRENT (should also fit 7-STABLE) may be found >> at: >> http://people.freebsd.org/~mav/sdhci/ > > Thanks! That's just what I was looking for about three weeks ago :) >> >> I will be grateful for any feedbacks, comments and support. > > 7.1 requires s/kproc/kthread/ but otherwise works fine: > > sdhci0: mem 0xff9fb800-0xff9fb8ff irq 9 at device 1.2 on > pci2 > sdhci0: 1 slot(s) allocated > sdhci0: [ITHREAD] > > mmc0: on sdhci0 > mmc0: SD card: 507379712 bytes > mmcsd0: 483MB (read-only) at mmc0 > mmc0: setting transfer rate to 30.000MHz > mmc0: setting bus width to 4 bits > GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider mmcsd0s1 is msdosfs/SD. It did not detect the hardware on my Compaq 6910p: none2@pci0:2:6:3: class=0x080500 card=0x30be103c chip=0x08221180 rev=0x20 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Ricoh Company, Ltd.' device = 'R5C832, R5C843 SDA Standard Compliant SD Host Controller' class = base peripheral none3@pci0:2:6:4: class=0x088000 card=0x30be103c chip=0x08431180 rev=0x10 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Ricoh Company, Ltd.' device = 'unknown Ricoh MMC Host Controller' class = base peripheral Suggestions are welcome. :-) -- cd /usr/ports/sysutils/life make clean From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 28 06:12:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92424106568C for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 06:12:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unixmania@gmail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19BF38FC21 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 06:12:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unixmania@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k31so1614992fkk.11 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:12:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=991V+WFZ1CX6jyaUnhG3r+LO7ZFnmBDRS32bbsYf4JU=; b=E1Ku6v85EzqfssWrnSrjx9xb+E2syeB3clnKxGfEg83NY8/uw04E6/8zTPC3DnQO0O R0OR2Z3plPSsH2LxKge3B/1waia0g5v9FG2qlt19CMtS5OsE0/I8wg1Nm38tjVyvP4Ph yuAjBT9dSpYqsK6FPxDXx5sA8+K68KdVt1NdI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=I8eJB/0pCItoeOXCrbchDs7X2BgiNEhPQ8gOWnsL0M7CvI/yt0jjFXKDvQlEcAqPIt jmfY617n4vyy5WRRsXbqbZeDJ99htwxy4pGGoGiy5YZeuUMo4yAll9X5TvwLK7UfORud FVJS3cNr+JLEU+0vj0/8Sgkqolms1d1F/EbZo= Received: by 10.103.199.16 with SMTP id b16mr2536214muq.5.1222582345648; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:12:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.103.231.14 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:12:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 03:12:25 -0300 From: "Carlos A. M. dos Santos" To: "Oleksandr Tymoshenko" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <48DEA8E7.2080503@FreeBSD.org> <48DEA4EC.3030300@bluezbox.com> Cc: Alexander Motin , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, imp@freebsd.org, freebsd-arm@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: PCI SD host controller driver & mmc/mmcsd modules improvements X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 06:12:27 -0000 On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 2:35 AM, Carlos A. M. dos Santos wrote: > On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Oleksandr Tymoshenko > wrote: >> Alexander Motin wrote: >>> >>> Hi. >> >>> >>> Latest patches against 8-CURRENT (should also fit 7-STABLE) may be found >>> at: >>> http://people.freebsd.org/~mav/sdhci/ >> >> Thanks! That's just what I was looking for about three weeks ago :) >>> >>> I will be grateful for any feedbacks, comments and support. >> >> 7.1 requires s/kproc/kthread/ but otherwise works fine: >> >> sdhci0: mem 0xff9fb800-0xff9fb8ff irq 9 at device 1.2 on >> pci2 >> sdhci0: 1 slot(s) allocated >> sdhci0: [ITHREAD] >> >> mmc0: on sdhci0 >> mmc0: SD card: 507379712 bytes >> mmcsd0: 483MB (read-only) at mmc0 >> mmc0: setting transfer rate to 30.000MHz >> mmc0: setting bus width to 4 bits >> GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider mmcsd0s1 is msdosfs/SD. > > It did not detect the hardware on my Compaq 6910p: > > none2@pci0:2:6:3: class=0x080500 card=0x30be103c chip=0x08221180 > rev=0x20 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Ricoh Company, Ltd.' > device = 'R5C832, R5C843 SDA Standard Compliant SD Host Controller' > class = base peripheral > none3@pci0:2:6:4: class=0x088000 card=0x30be103c chip=0x08431180 > rev=0x10 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Ricoh Company, Ltd.' > device = 'unknown Ricoh MMC Host Controller' > class = base peripheral > > Suggestions are welcome. :-) Here goes a good suggestion: do not forget to load the module, you dumb ass! Now I got this: sdhci0: mem 0xe4103000-0xe41030ff irq 19 at device 6.3 on pci2 sdhci0: Reserved 0x100 bytes for rid 0x10 type 3 at 0xe4103000 sdhci0: 1 slot(s) allocated sdhci0: [MPSAFE] sdhci0: [ITHREAD] mmc0: on sdhci0 mmc0: Reset 0x6 never completed - 0x6. mmc0: ============== REGISTER DUMP ============== mmc0: Sys addr: 0x00000000 | Version: 0x00000400 mmc0: Blk size: 0x00000000 | Blk cnt: 0x00000000 mmc0: Argument: 0x00000000 | Trn mode: 0x00000000 mmc0: Present: 0x01f20000 | Host ctl: 0x00000000 mmc0: Power: 0x0000000f | Blk gap: 0x00000000 mmc0: Wake-up: 0x00000000 | Clock: 0x00008007 mmc0: Timeout: 0x00000000 | Int stat: 0x00000000 mmc0: Int enab: 0x00ff00fb | Sig enab: 0x00ff00fb mmc0: AC12 err: 0x00000000 | Slot int: 0x00000000 mmc0: Caps: 0x018021a1 | Max curr: 0x00000040 mmc0: =========================================== mmc0: Reset 0x6 never completed - 0x6. mmc0: ============== REGISTER DUMP ============== mmc0: Sys addr: 0x00000000 | Version: 0x00000400 mmc0: Blk size: 0x00000000 | Blk cnt: 0x00000000 mmc0: Argument: 0x00000000 | Trn mode: 0x00000000 mmc0: Present: 0x01f20000 | Host ctl: 0x00000000 mmc0: Power: 0x0000000f | Blk gap: 0x00000000 mmc0: Wake-up: 0x00000000 | Clock: 0x00008007 mmc0: Timeout: 0x00000000 | Int stat: 0x00000000 mmc0: Int enab: 0x00ff00fb | Sig enab: 0x00ff00fb mmc0: AC12 err: 0x00000000 | Slot int: 0x00000000 mmc0: Caps: 0x018021a1 | Max curr: 0x00000040 mmc0: =========================================== mmc0: setting transfer rate to 33.000MHz mmc0: Reset 0x6 never completed - 0x6. mmc0: ============== REGISTER DUMP ============== mmc0: Sys addr: 0x00000000 | Version: 0x00000400 mmc0: Blk size: 0x00000000 | Blk cnt: 0x00000000 mmc0: Argument: 0x00000000 | Trn mode: 0x00000000 mmc0: Present: 0x01f20000 | Host ctl: 0x00000000 mmc0: Power: 0x0000000f | Blk gap: 0x00000000 mmc0: Wake-up: 0x00000000 | Clock: 0x00000007 mmc0: Timeout: 0x00000000 | Int stat: 0x00000000 mmc0: Int enab: 0x00ff00fb | Sig enab: 0x00ff00fb mmc0: AC12 err: 0x00000000 | Slot int: 0x00000000 mmc0: Caps: 0x018021a1 | Max curr: 0x00000040 mmc0: =========================================== Much better. However, I got a system crash and reboot attempting to unload the module. -- cd /usr/ports/sysutils/life make clean From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 28 09:30:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9AC2106568B; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 09:30:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from harmony.bsdimp.com (bsdimp.com [199.45.160.85]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 668798FC15; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 09:30:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.bsdimp.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m8S9ScMs062292; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 03:28:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 03:29:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <20080928.032929.-1264103837.imp@bsdimp.com> To: mav@freebsd.org From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <48DEA8E7.2080503@FreeBSD.org> References: <48DEA8E7.2080503@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 5.2 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: PCI SD host controller driver & mmc/mmcsd modules improvements X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 09:30:45 -0000 In message: <48DEA8E7.2080503@FreeBSD.org> Alexander Motin writes: : Hi. : : I would like to present initial revision of my generic PCI SD Host : Controller driver (sdhci). It support PCI devices with class 8 and : subclass 5 according to SD Host Controller Specification. With some : limitations it successfully works on my Acer TM6292 notebook with ENE : CB714 card reader. : : Things that are working now: : - PIO mode single and multiple block read and write, : - 1 and 4 bits bus width support. : : In PIO mode with 4GB SD card on 30MHz 4bit bus I have reached about : 3.5MB/s (limited by CPU) linear read and 7MB/s (limited by card) linear : write. Small blocks read/write performance limited by card. : : Things that are not working yet: : - DMA modes (code is written, but as my controller looks like has : broken DMA I have no ability to debug it), : - card insert/remove detection (need more thinking), you should reload : mmc module to rescan cards, : - SDHC and MMC cards (have no such cards now to debug that code), only : standard capacity SD Memory cards up to 4GB size are supported now, : - high speed (double rate) bus mode (need more thinking and DMA support). : : Also to get such results I have improved existing mmc and mmcsd drivers : a bit. mmc driver got: : - 4 bit bus width support, : - write protection switch support, : - cards with more then 2GB capacity support. : mmcsd driver got: : - multiple block read and write support, : - cards with more then 2GB capacity support, : - I/O error reporting, : - write protection switch support. : : Latest patches against 8-CURRENT (should also fit 7-STABLE) may be found at: : http://people.freebsd.org/~mav/sdhci/ : : I will be grateful for any feedbacks, comments and support. I'll take a look at the driver and post a code review... Warner From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 28 11:01:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E581065677; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 11:01:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@lissyara.su) Received: from hosting.lissyara.su (hosting.lissyara.su [77.221.149.162]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0E28FC08; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 11:01:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@lissyara.su) Received: from [89.178.147.100] (port=52271 helo=acer.lissyara.int.otradno.ru) by hosting.lissyara.su with esmtpa (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1KjtXC-000FND-6r; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 14:29:50 +0400 Message-ID: <48DF5C9D.2000702@lissyara.su> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 14:29:49 +0400 From: Alex Keda User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; ru-RU; rv:1.8.1.16) Gecko/20080731 Thunderbird/2.0.0.16 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <48DEA8E7.2080503@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <48DEA8E7.2080503@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Description: if spam count > 60 - this is spam X-Spam-Count: 0 X-Spam-Description: if spam count > 60 - this is spam X-Spam-Count: 0 X-Descriptions: powered by www.lissyara.su X-Bounce-ID: hosting.lissyara.su Cc: freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, imp@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: RFC: PCI SD host controller driver & mmc/mmcsd modules improvements X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 11:01:32 -0000 Alexander Motin : > Hi. > > I would like to present initial revision of my generic PCI SD Host > Controller driver (sdhci). It support PCI devices with class 8 and > subclass 5 according to SD Host Controller Specification. With some > limitations it successfully works on my Acer TM6292 notebook with ENE > CB714 card reader. > > Things that are working now: > - PIO mode single and multiple block read and write, > - 1 and 4 bits bus width support. > > In PIO mode with 4GB SD card on 30MHz 4bit bus I have reached about > 3.5MB/s (limited by CPU) linear read and 7MB/s (limited by card) linear > write. Small blocks read/write performance limited by card. > > Things that are not working yet: > - DMA modes (code is written, but as my controller looks like has > broken DMA I have no ability to debug it), > - card insert/remove detection (need more thinking), you should reload > mmc module to rescan cards, > - SDHC and MMC cards (have no such cards now to debug that code), only > standard capacity SD Memory cards up to 4GB size are supported now, > - high speed (double rate) bus mode (need more thinking and DMA support). > > Also to get such results I have improved existing mmc and mmcsd drivers > a bit. mmc driver got: > - 4 bit bus width support, > - write protection switch support, > - cards with more then 2GB capacity support. > mmcsd driver got: > - multiple block read and write support, > - cards with more then 2GB capacity support, > - I/O error reporting, > - write protection switch support. > > Latest patches against 8-CURRENT (should also fit 7-STABLE) may be found > at: > http://people.freebsd.org/~mav/sdhci/ > > I will be grateful for any feedbacks, comments and support. > Thanks! It work =) I have Acer Aspire 5101 but, when I attempt unload module - system hangs ========= messages ====== Sep 28 14:25:24 acer kernel: sdhci0: mem 0xd0210800-0xd02108ff irq 23 at device 4.2 on pci6 Sep 28 14:25:24 acer kernel: sdhci0: 1 slot(s) allocated Sep 28 14:25:24 acer kernel: sdhci0: [ITHREAD] Sep 28 14:25:24 acer kernel: mmc0: on sdhci0 Sep 28 14:25:24 acer kernel: mmc0: setting transfer rate to 33.000MHz Sep 28 14:25:24 acer kernel: sdhci1: at device 4.4 on pci6 Sep 28 14:25:24 acer kernel: sdhci1: 1 slot(s) allocated Sep 28 14:25:24 acer kernel: sdhci1: [ITHREAD] Sep 28 14:25:24 acer kernel: mmc1: on sdhci1 Sep 28 14:25:25 acer kernel: mmc1: SD card: 31129600 bytes Sep 28 14:25:25 acer kernel: mmcsd0: 29MB at mmc1 Sep 28 14:25:25 acer kernel: mmc1: setting transfer rate to 30.000MHz Sep 28 14:25:25 acer kernel: mmc1: setting bus width to 4 bits ========== pciconf -lv ============= cbb0@pci0:6:4:0: class=0x060700 card=0x009f1025 chip=0x14121524 rev=0x10 hdr=0x02 vendor = 'ENE Technology Inc' device = 'CB-712/714 CardBus Controller' class = bridge subclass = PCI-CardBus none1@pci0:6:4:1: class=0x050100 card=0x009f1025 chip=0x05301524 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'ENE Technology Inc' device = 'CB-712/714/810 Memory Stick Card Reader' class = memory subclass = flash sdhci0@pci0:6:4:2: class=0x080501 card=0x009f1025 chip=0x05501524 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'ENE Technology Inc' device = 'CB-712/714/810 Secure Digital Card Reader' class = base peripheral none2@pci0:6:4:3: class=0x050100 card=0x009f1025 chip=0x05201524 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'ENE Technology Inc' device = 'PCI SmartMedia / xD Card Reader Controller' class = memory subclass = flash sdhci1@pci0:6:4:4: class=0x050100 card=0x009f1025 chip=0x05511524 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'ENE Technology Inc' device = 'PCI SD/MMC Card Reader Controller' class = memory subclass = flash acer$ ============ uname -a =========== FreeBSD acer.lissyara.int.otradno.ru 8.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT #0: Sat Sep 27 16:35:08 MSD 2008 lissyara@acer.lissyara.int.otradno.ru:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/color-console amd64 =========== kldstat ========== acer$ kldstat Id Refs Address Size Name 1 71 0xffffffff80100000 da1698 kernel (/boot/kernel/kernel) 2 2 0xffffffff80ea2000 759b8 sound.ko (/boot/kernel/sound.ko) 3 1 0xffffffff80f18000 21ae0 snd_hda.ko (/boot/kernel/snd_hda.ko) 4 1 0xffffffff80f3a000 2cf0 umodem.ko (/boot/kernel/umodem.ko) 5 1 0xffffffff80f3d000 6360 acpi_video.ko (/boot/kernel/acpi_video.ko) 6 1 0xffffffff80f44000 5538 atapicam.ko (/boot/kernel/atapicam.ko) 7 1 0xffffffff80f4a000 2f58 acpi_aiboost.ko (/boot/kernel/acpi_aiboost.ko) 8 1 0xffffffff80f4d000 3eb8 acpi_dock.ko (/boot/kernel/acpi_dock.ko) 9 1 0xffffffff80f51000 6e20 ng_bt3c.ko (/boot/kernel/ng_bt3c.ko) 10 5 0xffffffff80f58000 15bf8 netgraph.ko (/boot/kernel/netgraph.ko) 11 1 0xffffffff80f6e000 39660 ng_btsocket.ko (/boot/kernel/ng_btsocket.ko) 12 3 0xffffffff80fa8000 2da0 ng_bluetooth.ko (/boot/kernel/ng_bluetooth.ko) 13 1 0xffffffff80fab000 bec8 ng_ubt.ko (/boot/kernel/ng_ubt.ko) 14 1 0xffffffff80fb7000 2938 ubtbcmfw.ko (/boot/kernel/ubtbcmfw.ko) 15 1 0xffffffff80fba000 17890 ng_l2cap.ko (/boot/kernel/ng_l2cap.ko) 16 1 0xffffffff80fd2000 3fc8 iicbb.ko (/boot/kernel/iicbb.ko) 17 2 0xffffffff80fd6000 3f48 iicbus.ko (/boot/kernel/iicbus.ko) 19 1 0xffffffff80ff1000 14db0 tmpfs.ko (/boot/kernel/tmpfs.ko) 20 1 0xffffffff81222000 a48c ipfw.ko (/boot/kernel/ipfw.ko) 21 1 0xffffffff8122d000 b8ba fuse.ko (/usr/local/modules/fuse.ko) 22 1 0xffffffff81239000 3652 vkbd.ko (/boot/kernel/vkbd.ko) 23 1 0xffffffff8123d000 754 rtc.ko (/usr/local/modules/rtc.ko) 24 1 0xffffffff8123e000 1ab19 linux.ko (/boot/kernel/linux.ko) 25 1 0xffffffff81259000 24fd3 radeon.ko (/boot/kernel/radeon.ko) 26 1 0xffffffff8127e000 10341 drm.ko (/boot/kernel/drm.ko) 27 1 0xffffffff8128f000 2a02 mmc.ko (/boot/modules/mmc.ko) 28 1 0xffffffff81292000 b97 mmcsd.ko (/boot/modules/mmcsd.ko) 29 1 0xffffffff81293000 2a28 sdhci.ko (/boot/modules/sdhci.ko) From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 28 13:49:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B6681065689; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:49:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@e.0x20.net) Received: from mail.0x20.net (mail.ipv6.0x20.net [IPv6:2001:aa8:fffb::3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BD258FC1D; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:49:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@e.0x20.net) Received: by mail.0x20.net (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 743EC3A6BC; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:48:58 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:48:58 +0200 From: Lars Engels To: Frank Mayhar Message-ID: <20080928134858.GO89204@e.0x20.net> References: <1222317948.1740.10.camel@jill.exit.com> <48DBB3EF.3060909@freebsd.org> <1222560406.89800.10.camel@jill.exit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lEGEL1/lMxI0MVQ2" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1222560406.89800.10.camel@jill.exit.com> X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 7.1 X-Operation-System: FreeBSD 5.5-RELEASE-p19 User-Agent: mutt-ng/devel-r804 (FreeBSD) Cc: Sam Leffler , freebsd-mobile Subject: Re: Atheros wireless problems. X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Lars Engels List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:49:01 -0000 --lEGEL1/lMxI0MVQ2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 05:06:46PM -0700, Frank Mayhar wrote: > On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 08:53 -0700, Sam Leffler wrote: > > Frank Mayhar wrote: > > > So I obtained a D-Link DWL-AG660 cardbus card, which has a 5213 (I > > > believe) Atheros chipset in it; it's an a/b/g card. This is to use > > > while the chipset embedded in my laptop isn't supported. It came tod= ay, > > > I installed it tonight and, well, problems. > > The status codes look bogus. In 0.10.5.10 there is a code path through= =20 > > reset where status is not set if the chip is not brought out of low=20 > > power mode. Why this might happen is beyond me (could be a cardbus=20 > > problem) but if you initialize status to a known value before the hal= =20 > > calls that are failing this might confirm that as the problem. I've=20 > > fixed the hal fwiw. >=20 > That's definitely not the problem, it seems. I modified the driver to > zero 'status' in each of the routines that emit the message. When I ran > it today, it emitted the 'device timeout' and 'unable to reset hardware' > messages: >=20 [...] > Anything else I might try? Are you running hald? I have the same error messages and can work around that problem by inserting the wireless card after hald is started. --lEGEL1/lMxI0MVQ2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkjfi0oACgkQKc512sD3afibuACdGCzzR7Z9NwBQHpQArdj8pB7h XEoAniGgY6JxmtPwrOIeBmGPYQ01Az+Z =gUX9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --lEGEL1/lMxI0MVQ2-- From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 28 20:52:21 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55DFE106568D; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:52:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: from tinker.exit.com (tinker.exit.com [IPv6:2001:470:80f4:0:2e0:81ff:fe2b:acbc]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 279A08FC1A; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:52:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: from jill.exit.com (jill.exit.com [IPv6:2001:470:80f4:0:2e0:81ff:fe33:7e9a]) by tinker.exit.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m8SKnIAK076116; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:49:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=exit.com; s=tinker; t=1222634958; bh=PJO+Dr56si9EpVIfvdYsLpW4ftrF28H3Zmz67mwkEA4=; h=Subject:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date:Message-Id:Mime-Version; b=TG9HVbhA dy7a8lFLOAM+zbnkn/cxH0uVyttmzvPSROilq22cQUzB1R2k0I1jn3IgIZQnEkHE+YA hRLKR+MeD9tfGGrP0KDyz+1GZuEKf6Gis0rRHiSxxOQWFjwdwhvp43y+cX2HrnsD0Nq 6enRpwMYNF2LGydllIYK5FYzDyBMM= Received: from jill.exit.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jill.exit.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m8SKqK8D072687; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:52:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: (from frank@localhost) by jill.exit.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m8SKqKsp072686; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:52:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) X-Authentication-Warning: jill.exit.com: frank set sender to frank@exit.com using -f From: Frank Mayhar To: Lars Engels In-Reply-To: <20080928134858.GO89204@e.0x20.net> References: <1222317948.1740.10.camel@jill.exit.com> <48DBB3EF.3060909@freebsd.org> <1222560406.89800.10.camel@jill.exit.com> <20080928134858.GO89204@e.0x20.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Exit Consulting Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:52:20 -0700 Message-Id: <1222635140.46610.0.camel@jill.exit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/8349/Sun Sep 28 13:04:32 2008 on tinker.exit.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Sam Leffler , freebsd-mobile Subject: Re: Atheros wireless problems. X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: frank@exit.com List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:52:21 -0000 On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 15:48 +0200, Lars Engels wrote: > On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 05:06:46PM -0700, Frank Mayhar wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 08:53 -0700, Sam Leffler wrote: > > > Frank Mayhar wrote: > > > > So I obtained a D-Link DWL-AG660 cardbus card, which has a 5213 (I > > > > believe) Atheros chipset in it; it's an a/b/g card. This is to use > > > > while the chipset embedded in my laptop isn't supported. It came today, > > > > I installed it tonight and, well, problems. > > > The status codes look bogus. In 0.10.5.10 there is a code path through > > > reset where status is not set if the chip is not brought out of low > > > power mode. Why this might happen is beyond me (could be a cardbus > > > problem) but if you initialize status to a known value before the hal > > > calls that are failing this might confirm that as the problem. I've > > > fixed the hal fwiw. > > > > That's definitely not the problem, it seems. I modified the driver to > > zero 'status' in each of the routines that emit the message. When I ran > > it today, it emitted the 'device timeout' and 'unable to reset hardware' > > messages: > > > > [...] > > > Anything else I might try? > > Are you running hald? I have the same error messages and can work around > that problem by inserting the wireless card after hald is started. How very very weird. That worked. Why might this be? It's quite clearly a driver/application problem of some kind... -- Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/ Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/ http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/ http://www.zazzle.com/fmayhar* From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 28 21:01:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7504106568F; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:01:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cmail.optima.ua (cmail.optima.ua [195.248.191.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B63058FC15; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:01:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mav@FreeBSD.org) X-Spam-Flag: SKIP X-Spam-Yversion: Spamooborona-2.1.0 Received: from [212.86.226.226] (account mav@alkar.net HELO mavbook.mavhome.dp.ua) by cmail.optima.ua (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.14) with ESMTPSA id 222683818; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 00:01:00 +0300 Message-ID: <48DFFE9A.9070302@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:00:58 +0300 From: Alexander Motin User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080726) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Carlos A. M. dos Santos" References: <48DEA8E7.2080503@FreeBSD.org> <48DEA4EC.3030300@bluezbox.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: PCI SD host controller driver & mmc/mmcsd modules improvements X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:01:01 -0000 Carlos A. M. dos Santos wrote: > Here goes a good suggestion: do not forget to load the module, you > dumb ass! Now I got this: > > sdhci0: mem 0xe4103000-0xe41030ff irq 19 at device 6.3 on pci2 > sdhci0: Reserved 0x100 bytes for rid 0x10 type 3 at 0xe4103000 > sdhci0: 1 slot(s) allocated > sdhci0: [MPSAFE] > sdhci0: [ITHREAD] > mmc0: on sdhci0 > mmc0: Reset 0x6 never completed - 0x6. Looks like there is several version of this controller requiring special driver quirks. At least Linux driver includes several. I have implemented some, so you can try to play with them. > Much better. However, I got a system crash and reboot attempting to > unload the module. I have rewritten detach function. PS: Also I have implemented card insert/remove in a way specific for this device via mmc bus attach/detach. Not sure it is the best way for mmc subsystem generally, but it recommended by SD Host controller specification and works for now. -- Alexander Motin From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 29 05:51:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD85106568D; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 05:51:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lme@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.0x20.net (mail.ipv6.0x20.net [IPv6:2001:aa8:fffb::3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A8018FC28; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 05:51:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lme@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.0x20.net (mail.0x20.net [217.69.67.217]) by mail.0x20.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 639A83A6B0; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:51:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 193.109.238.110 ([193.109.238.110]) by 0x20.net (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:51:10 +0200 Message-ID: <20080929075110.8f6vo3zus08kwss0@0x20.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:51:10 +0200 From: Lars Engels To: frank@exit.com References: <1222317948.1740.10.camel@jill.exit.com> <48DBB3EF.3060909@freebsd.org> <1222560406.89800.10.camel@jill.exit.com> <20080928134858.GO89204@e.0x20.net> <1222635140.46610.0.camel@jill.exit.com> In-Reply-To: <1222635140.46610.0.camel@jill.exit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=_28kvy3pvvqv4"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-sha1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Cc: Sam Leffler , freebsd-mobile Subject: Re: Atheros wireless problems. X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 05:51:11 -0000 This message is in MIME format and has been PGP signed. --=_28kvy3pvvqv4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoting Frank Mayhar : > On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 15:48 +0200, Lars Engels wrote: >> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 05:06:46PM -0700, Frank Mayhar wrote: >> > On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 08:53 -0700, Sam Leffler wrote: >> > > Frank Mayhar wrote: >> > > > So I obtained a D-Link DWL-AG660 cardbus card, which has a 5213 (I >> > > > believe) Atheros chipset in it; it's an a/b/g card. This is to use >> > > > while the chipset embedded in my laptop isn't supported. It =20 >> came today, >> > > > I installed it tonight and, well, problems. >> > > The status codes look bogus. In 0.10.5.10 there is a code path throu= gh >> > > reset where status is not set if the chip is not brought out of low >> > > power mode. Why this might happen is beyond me (could be a cardbus >> > > problem) but if you initialize status to a known value before the hal >> > > calls that are failing this might confirm that as the problem. I've >> > > fixed the hal fwiw. >> > >> > That's definitely not the problem, it seems. I modified the driver to >> > zero 'status' in each of the routines that emit the message. When I ra= n >> > it today, it emitted the 'device timeout' and 'unable to reset hardware= ' >> > messages: >> > >> >> [...] >> >> > Anything else I might try? >> >> Are you running hald? I have the same error messages and can work around >> that problem by inserting the wireless card after hald is started. > > How very very weird. That worked. Why might this be? It's quite > clearly a driver/application problem of some kind... I don't know. I brought this up some time ago but noone had a clue... It would be nice to find out how to prevent hald probing the cardbus, =20 so you could insert the card before starting hald. --=_28kvy3pvvqv4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: Digitale PGP-Unterschrift Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAkjgbM4ACgkQKc512sD3afh2cACgkrnNXf0hek8fozB2eYrS7nyC ad0AoJn3BnzTNj6WNZ4wf/Fp23cSdaUT =cy3I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=_28kvy3pvvqv4-- From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 29 13:49:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96DA0106568A; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:49:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhay@meraka.csir.co.za) Received: from zibbi.meraka.csir.co.za (zibbi.meraka.csir.co.za [IPv6:2001:4200:7000:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A7C48FC1B; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:49:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhay@meraka.csir.co.za) Received: by zibbi.meraka.csir.co.za (Postfix, from userid 3973) id 9961133CBC; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:49:54 +0200 (SAST) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:49:54 +0200 From: John Hay To: Sam Leffler Message-ID: <20080929134954.GA69530@zibbi.meraka.csir.co.za> References: <20080922132500.GA25677@zibbi.meraka.csir.co.za> <3a142e750809250741j7b9003e4q539618d1c9407def@mail.gmail.com> <20080925161338.GA69284@zibbi.meraka.csir.co.za> <3a142e750809251159p3f5f3bam11243b3f144859c2@mail.gmail.com> <20080926055522.GA13842@zibbi.meraka.csir.co.za> <48DD210E.6050300@freebsd.org> <20080927071046.GA94774@zibbi.meraka.csir.co.za> <48DE8670.60606@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <48DE8670.60606@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: setting bssid in adhoc mode X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:49:58 -0000 On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 12:16:00PM -0700, Sam Leffler wrote: > John Hay wrote: > >>>>>>>I'm trying out the new ath/wlan stuff in current. Should one still be > >>>>>>>able to set the bssid in adhoc mode? We normally lock the bssid in > >>>>>>>an adhoc network because of problems that the network split and does > >>>>>>>not merge, if you do not do it. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>What I have done is this: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>># ifconfig wlan0 create wlandev ath0 wlanmode adhoc > >>>>>>># ifconfig wlan0 ssid ptamesh up > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Up to here works well. It will scan and if it finds another node with > >>>>>>>the > >>>>>>>same ssid, it will "lock" on that channel and use the correct bssid. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>If it does not find another node with the same ssid, it will start it > >>>>>>>own thing on channel 10. But it looks like one cannot set the bssid. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>># ifconfig wlan0 bssid 02:07:ca:fe:ba:be > >>>>>>>ifconfig: 02:07:ca:fe:ba:be: bad value > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>I had similar experience with STA mode, instead I use ap (ap is alias > >>>>>>for bssid, at least it works in STA mode) > >>>>>>I never bothered is this bug in manual page, ifconfig or in something > >>>>>>else > >>>>>>... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>Ah, thanks yes, "ifconfig wlan0 ap 02:07:ca:fe:ba:be" works just fine. > >>>>>Just do not try to unset it with "ifconfig wlan0 ap -". That is an > >>>>>alias for "panic now" :-) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>Well, on my system it doesnt panic here. > >>>>So more info to debug "your" panic is required ... > >>>> > >>>> > >>>I'll have to see if I can reproduce it. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>So it looks like ifconfig is getting confused with the many different > >>>>>uses of the keyword bssid. > >>>>> > >>>>>I must say I still do not understand what the other use for bssid is. > >>>>>Close to the end of ifconfig/ifieee80211.c there are these: > >>>>> > >>>>>DEF_CMD_ARG("bssid", set80211bssid), > >>>>>DEF_CMD_ARG("ap", set80211bssid), > >>>>>... > >>>>>DEF_CLONE_CMD("bssid", 1, set80211clone_bssid), > >>>>>DEF_CLONE_CMD("-bssid", 0, set80211clone_bssid), > >>>>> > >>>>>So my guess is that I was hitting the clone version when in fact I > >>>>>needed the other version. Luckily ap does not have a clone version. > >>>>>So when should the clone version be used? And how does ifconfig > >>>>>decide which one to use? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>I looked into the ifconfig code a bit more. I think that with the > >>>current code in the ifconfig() and cmd_lookup() functions, it is > >>>imposssible to have two different keywords that share the same > >>>keyword. cmd_lookup() will always search until it finds the first > >>>instance in the list and return that. The first instance in this > >>>case being the last one added. > >>> > >>> > >>Correct. > >> > >> > >>>So either the code must change or one of the bssid keywords have > >>>to change. My suggestion would be to keep the bssid for which ap > >>>is an alias and change the other one. Anybody have a suggestion > >>>of what to change it to? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>I prefer to change the code to handle this ambiguity within > >>ifieee80211.c. You cannot use both together or at least they are > >>redundant. I'll look at it when I've got time; but don't let me > >>distract you. > >> > > > >So what should the behaviour be? How should ifconfig know which bssid > >function to use? Should the clone variant be used when it is used on > >the same line as create? And the other if there is not a create on the > >line? Or some other way? And should the other DEF_CLONE... keywords > >also be handled the same way? > > > >John > > > Try the attached change. It looked easier to fix this for all possible > usage instead of complicating the 802.11 stuff. The change forces all > keywords marked "DEF_CLONE" to come first on the command line followed > by keywords that are marked !DEF_CLONE. At some point it's likely we'll > need to stick a real parser in ifconfig but I think this change is small > enough to just do it this way (it also slightly cleans up the hack for > pushing the clone operation out before parsing/handling subsequent cmd > line args). Thanks, I have tried it on my notebook and some Avila ARM boards and it works well. Together with your fix for resetting the bssid, things are looking well. Scanning in adhoc mode is also working again. BTW. I have tried my 4 atheros cards in an Avila again and it is working! I think it was the interrupt fixes by Rafal. John > Sam > > Index: ifconfig.c > =================================================================== > --- ifconfig.c (revision 183416) > +++ ifconfig.c (working copy) > @@ -392,14 +392,21 @@ > } > > static const struct cmd * > -cmd_lookup(const char *name) > +cmd_lookup(const char *name, int iscreate) > { > #define N(a) (sizeof(a)/sizeof(a[0])) > const struct cmd *p; > > for (p = cmds; p != NULL; p = p->c_next) > - if (strcmp(name, p->c_name) == 0) > - return p; > + if (strcmp(name, p->c_name) == 0) { > + if (iscreate) { > + if (p->c_iscloneop) > + return p; > + } else { > + if (!p->c_iscloneop) > + return p; > + } > + } > return NULL; > #undef N > } > @@ -437,6 +444,7 @@ > ifconfig(int argc, char *const *argv, int iscreate, const struct afswtch *afp) > { > const struct afswtch *nafp; > + const struct cmd *p; > struct callback *cb; > int s; > > @@ -452,9 +460,38 @@ > err(1, "socket(family %u,SOCK_DGRAM", ifr.ifr_addr.sa_family); > > while (argc > 0) { > - const struct cmd *p; > - > - p = cmd_lookup(*argv); > + p = cmd_lookup(*argv, iscreate); > + if (iscreate && p == NULL) { > + /* > + * Push the clone create callback so the new > + * device is created and can be used for any > + * remaining arguments. > + */ > + cb = callbacks; > + if (cb == NULL) > + errx(1, "internal error, no callback"); > + callbacks = cb->cb_next; > + cb->cb_func(s, cb->cb_arg); > + iscreate = 0; > + /* > + * Handle any address family spec that > + * immediately follows and potentially > + * recreate the socket. > + */ > + nafp = af_getbyname(*argv); > + if (nafp != NULL) { > + argc--, argv++; > + if (nafp != afp) { > + close(s); > + afp = nafp; > + goto top; > + } > + } > + /* > + * Look for a normal parameter. > + */ > + continue; > + } > if (p == NULL) { > /* > * Not a recognized command, choose between setting > @@ -463,33 +500,6 @@ > p = (setaddr ? &setifdstaddr_cmd : &setifaddr_cmd); > } > if (p->c_u.c_func || p->c_u.c_func2) { > - if (iscreate && !p->c_iscloneop) { > - /* > - * Push the clone create callback so the new > - * device is created and can be used for any > - * remaining arguments. > - */ > - cb = callbacks; > - if (cb == NULL) > - errx(1, "internal error, no callback"); > - callbacks = cb->cb_next; > - cb->cb_func(s, cb->cb_arg); > - iscreate = 0; > - /* > - * Handle any address family spec that > - * immediately follows and potentially > - * recreate the socket. > - */ > - nafp = af_getbyname(*argv); > - if (nafp != NULL) { > - argc--, argv++; > - if (nafp != afp) { > - close(s); > - afp = nafp; > - goto top; > - } > - } > - } > if (p->c_parameter == NEXTARG) { > if (argv[1] == NULL) > errx(1, "'%s' requires argument", -- John Hay -- John.Hay@meraka.csir.co.za / jhay@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 2 14:48:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99DBA106569B for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:48:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from regmeplease@gmail.com) Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2874B8FC21 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:48:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from regmeplease@gmail.com) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c29so782901ika.3 for ; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 07:48:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:message-id; bh=N/0kfdSbAFzxXQwXXtuAGDXBRt5IlVLTRFO69gzmJXY=; b=CYWSt6tA5brF+cG0hmazgvoaE5dqW3cRm85ImkjyN7tryu9UylnEX6ntfoEihZ/m9c cjKyCmgwxULEndL60fqc19r0KbLCS+mjQ9XMdyT3dbIdURpQhIgw61tzvHOB6lbG8rPD DJyw++Dw2GyjQ5ebzHUfKoVj2gCFelgpT06s0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; b=eVZa0I5Q0KgA/gYAEcot5ujs7G8+Fbd0pUB4yMaCmq25f5lFJ611H8Owp8F2/tcbhV E4LrkZ2hfWgbsG+6LzKUvoN54H5eyy6Xl61TdG/LPTXN7mgh5wNu/gFxR99aG24PnZjW emkokqSGTiCwvb1+iHc+ghdp/ETo2IcsmyM4E= Received: by 10.86.79.19 with SMTP id c19mr8804937fgb.5.1222957312499; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 07:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.128.243? ([151.67.147.129]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm2264820fgg.4.2008.10.02.07.21.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 07:21:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Reg Me Please To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:21:52 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200810021621.52597.regmeplease@gmail.com> Subject: FreeBSD on laptops X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:48:13 -0000 Hi all. I'm considering to move from Linux to FreeBSD on my main laptop. I don't have enough time resources for the "test and try" process I'd like to know from the community what is the status for: 0. Core2 Duo CPUs 1. Support for modern chipsets (ICH8) 2. support for power management (mostly ACPI and CPU clock freq. ) on laptops 3. support for accelerated graphic cards (nVidia GeForce 8600M GT) 4. support for Intel wifi (4965 AGN) 5. support for other hardware like audio, card readers, i-Link, USB And, of course, any advise about FreeBSD on laptops will be highly appreciated. Thanks in advance. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 2 15:06:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68DA91065699 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:06:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [220.233.188.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94BD8FC08 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:06:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92F6mTQ031741; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 01:06:49 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 01:06:48 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Reg Me Please In-Reply-To: <200810021621.52597.regmeplease@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081003010322.D49572@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <200810021621.52597.regmeplease@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on laptops X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:06:52 -0000 On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, Reg Me Please wrote: > Hi all. > > I'm considering to move from Linux to FreeBSD on my main laptop. > I don't have enough time resources for the "test and try" process > I'd like to know from the community what is the status for: > 0. Core2 Duo CPUs > 1. Support for modern chipsets (ICH8) > 2. support for power management (mostly ACPI and CPU clock freq. ) on laptops > 3. support for accelerated graphic cards (nVidia GeForce 8600M GT) > 4. support for Intel wifi (4965 AGN) > 5. support for other hardware like audio, card readers, i-Link, USB > > And, of course, any advise about FreeBSD on laptops will be highly > appreciated. You really need to tell us what make & model laptop you have, so people with the same or similar machines can comment. Otherwise, 'it depends'. cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 2 15:13:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21C351065694 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:13:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D23A68FC18 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:13:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from laptop3.gateway.2wire.net (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m92EsL0w040186; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:54:22 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Message-ID: <48E4E0A3.8000201@math.missouri.edu> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:54:27 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.17) Gecko/20080924 SeaMonkey/1.1.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Reg Me Please References: <200810021621.52597.regmeplease@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200810021621.52597.regmeplease@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on laptops X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:13:01 -0000 Reg Me Please wrote: > Hi all. > > I'm considering to move from Linux to FreeBSD on my main laptop. > I don't have enough time resources for the "test and try" process > I'd like to know from the community what is the status for: > 0. Core2 Duo CPUs > 1. Support for modern chipsets (ICH8) > 2. support for power management (mostly ACPI and CPU clock freq. ) on laptops > 3. support for accelerated graphic cards (nVidia GeForce 8600M GT) My understanding is that hardware acceleration for nVidia video cards is not available for the amd64 versions of FreeBSD. > 4. support for Intel wifi (4965 AGN) Available under CURRENT. I think there are backported patches available for STABLE, but I don't know how reliable they are. > 5. support for other hardware like audio, card readers, i-Link, USB > I have NOT been successful getting audio to work on the Dell Inspiron 1525. So .... > And, of course, any advise about FreeBSD on laptops will be highly > appreciated. ... if you want audio and all the other bells and whistles, don't go with the Dell Inspiron 1525. > > Thanks in advance. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 2 15:17:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9050710656A7 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:17:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from regmeplease@gmail.com) Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 159918FC16 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:17:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from regmeplease@gmail.com) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n8so182326gve.39 for ; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 08:17:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; bh=TBZ7lRu3iVT8sO0Eb4mv37vv4uihEFeU2OhrukBxlL4=; b=svJ3KftH4QRANkMkV/hUx+2VEcJcXaDwoWrT7c/UTOSBr0DpexxdBID/m0HiNXOZf3 e4ygGCfFGUa1x4MVlGzw2XjHQL/yDhdG1oJ/wKxwuCuid3D7U25E7vxe+nq7S6OF9j8r psMfPRlMbvUMeas7XYNirtwToJmkVbVqXDFe8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:message-id; b=FoyxaAOe3rq1dTjsVqJiP43+ko3YCm7U56MU12OjwJ7G5GruyIA7eT7BI9cR8rfcYM XJCnD8C8MaCjNd00l49xX2ijx+2soVy0MKV/ULwrJ5KuH3D/oepHrAV6VjAWWmvyXSPE oZLlBn4Ltzpx7rhwme4OAzAEkH6yyJbE5WWN4= Received: by 10.103.170.13 with SMTP id x13mr6873048muo.52.1222960621015; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 08:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.128.243? ([151.67.147.129]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u9sm6657033muf.9.2008.10.02.08.16.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 08:17:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Reg Me Please To: Ian Smith Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:16:55 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <200810021621.52597.regmeplease@gmail.com> <20081003010322.D49572@sola.nimnet.asn.au> In-Reply-To: <20081003010322.D49572@sola.nimnet.asn.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200810021716.56061.regmeplease@gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on laptops X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:17:03 -0000 Il Thursday 02 October 2008 17:06:48 Ian Smith ha scritto: > On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, Reg Me Please wrote: > > Hi all. > > > > I'm considering to move from Linux to FreeBSD on my main laptop. > > I don't have enough time resources for the "test and try" process > > I'd like to know from the community what is the status for: > > 0. Core2 Duo CPUs > > 1. Support for modern chipsets (ICH8) > > 2. support for power management (mostly ACPI and CPU clock freq. ) on > > laptops 3. support for accelerated graphic cards (nVidia GeForce 8600M > > GT) 4. support for Intel wifi (4965 AGN) > > 5. support for other hardware like audio, card readers, i-Link, USB > > > > And, of course, any advise about FreeBSD on laptops will be highly > > appreciated. > > You really need to tell us what make & model laptop you have, so people > with the same or similar machines can comment. Otherwise, 'it depends'. > > cheers, Ian ASUS G1s The (Linux version of) lspci says (sorry for wrapping): 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 Memory Controller Hub (rev 03) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 PCI Express Root Port (rev 03) 00:1a.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 03) 00:1a.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #5 (rev 03) 00:1a.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #2 (rev 03) 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 03) 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 2 (rev 03) 00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 3 (rev 03) 00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 4 (rev 03) 00:1c.4 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 5 (rev 03) 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 03) 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 03) 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 03) 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #1 (rev 03) 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev f3) 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801HEM (ICH8M) LPC Interface Controller (rev 03) 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801HBM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) IDE Controller (rev 03) 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 82801HBM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) SATA AHCI Controller (rev 03) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600M GT (rev a1) 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 01) 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN Network Connection (rev 61) 07:00.0 SATA controller: JMicron Technologies, Inc. JMicron 20360/20363 AHCI Controller (rev 02) 08:01.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller (rev 05) 08:01.1 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter (rev 22) 08:01.2 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C592 Memory Stick Bus Host Adapter (rev 12) 08:01.3 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd xD-Picture Card Controller (rev 12) From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 2 17:45:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7494C106568F for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:45:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: from tinker.exit.com (tinker.exit.com [IPv6:2001:470:80f4:0:2e0:81ff:fe2b:acbc]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F60A8FC25 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:45:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: from jill.exit.com (jill.exit.com [IPv6:2001:470:80f4:0:2e0:81ff:fe33:7e9a]) by tinker.exit.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92HfMhF049056; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:41:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=exit.com; s=tinker; t=1222969282; bh=X5snf4xWrVKqIg8/3DjBEZ97Hjw5fY1K9v0jJW1BZqQ=; h=Subject:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date:Message-Id:Mime-Version; b=tUk3/zlv LdJ73Pq17hnU2qt/vfa312NQrbRS/wMwME9fSpHkqq5YyC/mpG727mk/EQt4Or0M6Ua 0PPb5PJY5R+YgB28/kLKkhVpKSYVO4mFvqM1BHWnfVcTz8qZpPivxTkT+CHwsLB5txs rxRcpNCm9JCcqvO5uVzp2M4lN+RDw= Received: from jill.exit.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jill.exit.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m92Hjdtp098643; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:45:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: (from frank@localhost) by jill.exit.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m92HjddV098642; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:45:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) X-Authentication-Warning: jill.exit.com: frank set sender to frank@exit.com using -f From: Frank Mayhar To: Reg Me Please In-Reply-To: <200810021621.52597.regmeplease@gmail.com> References: <200810021621.52597.regmeplease@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Exit Consulting Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 10:45:22 -0700 Message-Id: <1222969522.98558.4.camel@jill.exit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/8372/Thu Oct 2 08:21:47 2008 on tinker.exit.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on laptops X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: frank@exit.com List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:45:47 -0000 On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 16:21 +0200, Reg Me Please wrote: > Hi all. > > I'm considering to move from Linux to FreeBSD on my main laptop. > I don't have enough time resources for the "test and try" process > I'd like to know from the community what is the status for: > 0. Core2 Duo CPUs Full support, of course. > 1. Support for modern chipsets (ICH8) Generally good support. > 2. support for power management (mostly ACPI and CPU clock freq. ) on laptops Generally good support, with some exceptions (mostly having to do with buggy ACPI, from what I understand). > 3. support for accelerated graphic cards (nVidia GeForce 8600M GT) Excellent as long as you're using i386 kernels. Amd64 kernels don't yet have the support for the nvidia drivers. > 4. support for Intel wifi (4965 AGN) No idea. I know that my Atheros AGN chipset _isn't_ supported (it's a 9000-series). > 5. support for other hardware like audio, card readers, i-Link, USB USB, good. Audio, generally good, although the new driver in -current has some buggy spots remaining. Card readers, that depends. My cardbus-attached O2Micro device isn't yet supported, although I think I saw a potential driver go by on a list recently. I don't even know what i-Link is. USB support is generally excellent. > And, of course, any advise about FreeBSD on laptops will be highly > appreciated. I never run anything else on my laptop. (Not counting work laptops, which run Linux because that's what work supports.) -- Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/ Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/ http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/ http://www.zazzle.com/fmayhar* From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 2 17:51:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA1D2106569D for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:51:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vbotka@suse.cz) Received: from mail.suse.cz (styx.suse.cz [82.119.242.94]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A88F08FC16 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:51:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vbotka@suse.cz) Received: from vlado.netng.org (vlado.suse.cz [10.20.5.88]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: vbotka) by mail.suse.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73EDA628143 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:51:50 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:51:37 +0200 From: Vladimir Botka To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081002195137.77c3b6df@vlado.netng.org> In-Reply-To: <200810021621.52597.regmeplease@gmail.com> References: <200810021621.52597.regmeplease@gmail.com> Organization: SUSE Linux X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.9; i586-suse-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD on laptops X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:51:40 -0000 On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:21:52 +0200 Reg Me Please wrote: > Hi all. > > I'm considering to move from Linux to FreeBSD on my main laptop. > I don't have enough time resources for the "test and try" process > I'd like to know from the community what is the status for: > 0. Core2 Duo CPUs > 1. Support for modern chipsets (ICH8) > 2. support for power management (mostly ACPI and CPU clock freq. ) on > laptops 3. support for accelerated graphic cards (nVidia GeForce > 8600M GT) 4. support for Intel wifi (4965 AGN) > 5. support for other hardware like audio, card readers, i-Link, USB > > And, of course, any advise about FreeBSD on laptops will be highly > appreciated. > > Thanks in advance. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Hi, maybe this link can help you a little bit http://tuxmobil.org/, but as the BSD community is conservative in the good sense as of the stability preference, it is possible that not all the new nice sparkling modern chipsets will work on BSD* either. From my point of view IBM Thinkpad is the best choice for BSD, but openSUSE 11.0 worked "Out of the Box" for me either. Cheers, -- -vlado Vladimir Botka From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 2 17:57:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1B1D1065691 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:57:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aragon@phat.za.net) Received: from mail.geek.sh (decoder.geek.sh [196.36.198.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E848FC34 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:57:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aragon@phat.za.net) Received: by mail.geek.sh (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6AE9424D26; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:37:50 +0200 (SAST) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:37:50 +0200 From: Aragon Gouveia To: Reg Me Please Message-ID: <20081002173750.GA93255@phat.za.net> References: <200810021621.52597.regmeplease@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200810021621.52597.regmeplease@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-RELEASE-p2 i386 Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on laptops X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:57:14 -0000 | By Reg Me Please | [ 2008-10-02 16:48 +0200 ] > I'd like to know from the community what is the status for: > 0. Core2 Duo CPUs > 1. Support for modern chipsets (ICH8) > 2. support for power management (mostly ACPI and CPU clock freq. ) on laptops Mostly good. Suspending doesn't work on an SMP kernel, but CPU clock speed scaling is supported via powerd. ACPI mostly works for me, but I have to disable some hardware monitoring features to avoid EC related error messages. > 3. support for accelerated graphic cards (nVidia GeForce 8600M GT) Only on i386 without PAE - you'll be limited to 4 gig of RAM, but that's probably fine on a laptop. > 4. support for Intel wifi (4965 AGN) Not quite yet... > 5. support for other hardware like audio, card readers, i-Link, USB I've had no problem with high def audio on my HP Pavilion. Haven't tried my card reader. USB works, but is arguably the least reliable part of FreeBSD right now... look out for USB2. I am answering with experience of running FreeBSD 7.0 on an HP Pavilion dv2600. Regards, Aragon From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 2 18:10:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BA311065686 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:10:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpalmer@freebsd.org) Received: from noop.in-addr.com (mail.in-addr.com [IPv6:2001:470:8:162::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 529178FC2F for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:10:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpalmer@freebsd.org) Received: from gjp by noop.in-addr.com with local (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1KlSbI-00092u-Ab; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:08:32 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:08:32 -0400 From: Gary Palmer To: Frank Mayhar Message-ID: <20081002180832.GA7205@in-addr.com> References: <200810021621.52597.regmeplease@gmail.com> <1222969522.98558.4.camel@jill.exit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1222969522.98558.4.camel@jill.exit.com> Cc: Reg Me Please , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on laptops X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:10:59 -0000 On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 10:45:22AM -0700, Frank Mayhar wrote: > USB, good. Audio, generally good, although the new driver in -current > has some buggy spots remaining. Card readers, that depends. My > cardbus-attached O2Micro device isn't yet supported, although I think I > saw a potential driver go by on a list recently. I don't even know what > i-Link is. USB support is generally excellent. I believe i-Link is one of the many names used for firewire. Regards, Gary From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 2 18:24:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A69A31065687 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:24:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ph@desktopbsd.net) Received: from lilzmailso02.liwest.at (lilzmailso02.liwest.at [212.33.55.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62CA18FC18 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:24:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ph@desktopbsd.net) Received: from cpe90-146-141-232.liwest.at ([90.146.141.232] helo=[10.0.0.3]) by lilzmailso02.liwest.at with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1KlRuU-0000wB-Ca for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:24:18 +0200 From: Peter Hofer Organization: The DesktopBSD Project To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:23:44 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200810021923.44056.ph@desktopbsd.net> X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: ALL_TRUSTED=-1.8, BAYES_99=3.5 Subject: FreeBSD 7.x with Thinkpad X200 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:24:04 -0000 Hello everyone, I consider buying a Lenovo IBM Thinkpad X200 (Montevina) and would like to run FreeBSD 7.1/amd64 (or for now, RELENG_7) on it. So far, I have not been able to find any information on running FreeBSD on this particular laptop, only a thread about using it with OpenBSD from the misc@openbsd.org mailing list (with dmesg): http://www.mail-archive.com/misc@openbsd.org/msg66846.html Does anyone have experience with FreeBSD on this laptop? (It seems the X200 and T400 are not so different, so I would appreciate comments from T400 owners as well!) I am particularly interested in the following: 1. Will the on-board 10/100/1000 Ethernet card work with em(4)? According to the openbsd-misc post mentioned earlier, it is an 82567LM chip, which is not listed explicitly in the manual page. Although I would prefer to use em(4), Intel itself also provides a driver binary for FreeBSD 7.x, has anyone tried it? 2. As far as I know, no driver is available for the Intel 5100 and Intel 5300 wireless LAN adapters, but Lenovo also offers another adapter named "ThinkPad 11b/g Wireless LAN Mini PCI Express Adapter III". In the past, similar adapters had an Atheros chip. Should I expect this adapter to be supported by ath(4) or go for an ExpressCard or USB solution instead? 3. Will SpeedStep work with cpufreq/powerd? (According to a follow-up to the openbsd-misc post, a patch is required to make it work on OpenBSD.) Also, will suspend/resume work? 4. This may depend more on xf86-video-intel than on FreeBSD: Can the desktop be easily cloned or extended to an additional display device connected via VGA? This is very important to me since I plan on using the laptop for presentations too. 5. Can I expect the components of the X200 UltraBase docking station to work out of the box, in particular a UltraBay slim optical drive, the USB ports, the DisplayPort and the Ethernet connector? Thank you very much! Best regards, Peter Hofer From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 2 20:31:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 762D7106569A for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 20:31:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raj@csub.edu) Received: from mh0.csub.edu (mh0.csub.edu [136.168.1.94]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E08B8FC0C for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 20:31:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raj@csub.edu) Received: from strider.csub.edu (strider.csub.edu [136.168.65.65]) by mh0.csub.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m92KVrr1069917; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:31:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from raj@csub.edu) Message-ID: <48E52FB9.7020501@csub.edu> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:31:53 -0700 From: Russell Jackson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080703) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Hofer References: <200810021923.44056.ph@desktopbsd.net> In-Reply-To: <200810021923.44056.ph@desktopbsd.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.x with Thinkpad X200 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:31:58 -0000 Peter Hofer wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I consider buying a Lenovo IBM Thinkpad X200 (Montevina) and would like to run > FreeBSD 7.1/amd64 (or for now, RELENG_7) on it. > > So far, I have not been able to find any information on running FreeBSD on > this particular laptop, only a thread about using it with OpenBSD from the > misc@openbsd.org mailing list (with dmesg): > http://www.mail-archive.com/misc@openbsd.org/msg66846.html > > Does anyone have experience with FreeBSD on this laptop? > > (It seems the X200 and T400 are not so different, so I would appreciate > comments from T400 owners as well!) > > I am particularly interested in the following: > > 1. Will the on-board 10/100/1000 Ethernet card work with em(4)? According to > the openbsd-misc post mentioned earlier, it is an 82567LM chip, which is not > listed explicitly in the manual page. Although I would prefer to use em(4), > Intel itself also provides a driver binary for FreeBSD 7.x, has anyone tried > it? > > 2. As far as I know, no driver is available for the Intel 5100 and Intel 5300 > wireless LAN adapters, but Lenovo also offers another adapter named "ThinkPad > 11b/g Wireless LAN Mini PCI Express Adapter III". In the past, similar > adapters had an Atheros chip. Should I expect this adapter to be supported by > ath(4) or go for an ExpressCard or USB solution instead? > > 3. Will SpeedStep work with cpufreq/powerd? (According to a follow-up to the > openbsd-misc post, a patch is required to make it work on OpenBSD.) Also, > will suspend/resume work? > > 4. This may depend more on xf86-video-intel than on FreeBSD: Can the desktop > be easily cloned or extended to an additional display device connected via > VGA? This is very important to me since I plan on using the laptop for > presentations too. > > 5. Can I expect the components of the X200 UltraBase docking station to work > out of the box, in particular a UltraBay slim optical drive, the USB ports, > the DisplayPort and the Ethernet connector? > I posted recently about my experience with the t400. 7.0 doesn't boot at all with ACPI enabled which means you might as well forget about it. I had some luck with a 8-CURRENT snapshot from July; it booted, but the installer busted due to tar being broken. There was no August snapshot released for reasons I forget now, but a new September snapshot was released that I have yet to try. Unbuntu Hardy works pretty well[1] on it though which is what I've been running in the interim. [1] there are a few minor problems with xorg video that can be fixed by compiling a more recent xorg-intel driver. -- Russell A. Jackson Network Analyst California State University, Bakersfield Monday is an awful way to spend one seventh of your life. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 2 21:39:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 363131065686 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 21:39:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raj@csub.edu) Received: from mh0.csub.edu (mh0.csub.edu [136.168.1.94]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 217178FC16 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 21:39:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raj@csub.edu) Received: from strider.csub.edu (strider.csub.edu [136.168.65.65]) by mh0.csub.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m92LdFbQ073362; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:39:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from raj@csub.edu) Message-ID: <48E53F83.7090006@csub.edu> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:39:15 -0700 From: Russell Jackson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080703) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Hofer References: <200810021923.44056.ph@desktopbsd.net> <48E52FB9.7020501@csub.edu> In-Reply-To: <48E52FB9.7020501@csub.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.x with Thinkpad X200 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:39:18 -0000 Russell Jackson wrote: > Peter Hofer wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> >> I consider buying a Lenovo IBM Thinkpad X200 (Montevina) and would like to run >> FreeBSD 7.1/amd64 (or for now, RELENG_7) on it. >> >> So far, I have not been able to find any information on running FreeBSD on >> this particular laptop, only a thread about using it with OpenBSD from the >> misc@openbsd.org mailing list (with dmesg): >> http://www.mail-archive.com/misc@openbsd.org/msg66846.html >> >> Does anyone have experience with FreeBSD on this laptop? >> >> (It seems the X200 and T400 are not so different, so I would appreciate >> comments from T400 owners as well!) >> >> I am particularly interested in the following: I didn't address these points specifically in my first post; so, I'll do that now. >> >> 1. Will the on-board 10/100/1000 Ethernet card work with em(4)? According to >> the openbsd-misc post mentioned earlier, it is an 82567LM chip, which is not >> listed explicitly in the manual page. Although I would prefer to use em(4), >> Intel itself also provides a driver binary for FreeBSD 7.x, has anyone tried >> it? When I booted with a 8-CURRENT snapshot, I was able to get a DHCP lease with the integrated NIC. It showed up as em0; so, it was using the em driver. >> >> 2. As far as I know, no driver is available for the Intel 5100 and Intel 5300 >> wireless LAN adapters, but Lenovo also offers another adapter named "ThinkPad >> 11b/g Wireless LAN Mini PCI Express Adapter III". In the past, similar >> adapters had an Atheros chip. Should I expect this adapter to be supported by >> ath(4) or go for an ExpressCard or USB solution instead? The 11b/g WLAN card on the T400 is an Atheros AR242x a/b/g PCIe card. I think the b/g is a typo. It does in fact have an A radio. The lastest HAL from MadWifi supports it, and works fine. I suspect that the new HAL for the FreeBSD driver will also support it as well. I wasn't able to test this however. As a side note, the integrated bluetooth also works. >> >> 3. Will SpeedStep work with cpufreq/powerd? (According to a follow-up to the >> openbsd-misc post, a patch is required to make it work on OpenBSD.) Also, >> will suspend/resume work? Under Linux --which is all I can vet for at this time--, all the power management stuff works. It does suspend and resume; however, I've had strange problems occasionally that I don't seem to have if I don't suspend/resume. So, I'd say that it's probably not reliable enough to use dependably. My experience has been that suspend/resume support is generally better under Linux. The only laptop I've ever owned that would reliably resume under FreeBSD was an old Toshiba Portege. That said, this is my first ThinkPad. >> >> 4. This may depend more on xf86-video-intel than on FreeBSD: Can the desktop >> be easily cloned or extended to an additional display device connected via >> VGA? This is very important to me since I plan on using the laptop for >> presentations too. The xorg-intel driver works very well with the integrated graphics. I'm able to use XRandR to do all mentioned above. >> >> 5. Can I expect the components of the X200 UltraBase docking station to work >> out of the box, in particular a UltraBay slim optical drive, the USB ports, >> the DisplayPort and the Ethernet connector The dock and bay hot swapping works fine under Linux. Again, I can't say anything about this for FreeBSD. I'll try to find some time to test the September 8-CURRENT snapshot this week and report back to the list. Overall the T400 is the best laptop I've ever owned in terms of functionality under an OSS operating system, power usage, heat dissipation, noise and build quality. It has none of the heat/fan noise problems reported here with the T40/T60 series. Also, if you do get the T400, the 9-cell battery pack comes highly recommended. I'm getting 4+ hours out of it without any tuning to conserve power and running the screen at ~70% brightness. Take note that, with the LED backlit screen, 100% brightness hurts my eyes. -- Russell A. Jackson Network Analyst California State University, Bakersfield Monday is an awful way to spend one seventh of your life. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 3 07:47:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92F661065686 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:47:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vova@sw.ru) Received: from relay.sw.ru (mailhub.sw.ru [195.214.232.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04B128FC1E for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:47:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vova@sw.ru) Received: from vbook.fbsd.ru ([10.30.1.111]) (authenticated bits=0) by relay.sw.ru (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id m937ReTD013879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:27:42 +0400 (MSD) Received: from vova by vbook.fbsd.ru with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Klf4e-00051u-KQ; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:27:40 +0400 From: Vladimir Grebenschikov To: frank@exit.com In-Reply-To: <1222969522.98558.4.camel@jill.exit.com> References: <200810021621.52597.regmeplease@gmail.com> <1222969522.98558.4.camel@jill.exit.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:27:40 +0400 Message-Id: <1223018860.1842.57.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Sender: Vladimir Grebenschikov Cc: Reg Me Please , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on laptops X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 07:47:33 -0000 On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 10:45 -0700, Frank Mayhar wrote: > > 5. support for other hardware like audio, card readers, i-Link, USB > > USB, good. Audio, generally good, although the new driver in -current > has some buggy spots remaining. Card readers, that depends. My > cardbus-attached O2Micro device isn't yet supported, although I think > I > saw a potential driver go by on a list recently. I don't even know > what > i-Link is. USB support is generally excellent. I believe i-Link is Sony's name for firewire(4) or IEEE1394. And as far I know it has good freebsd support, including video transfer over it, ethernet over firewire, and even kernel debugger/console over firewire. -- Vladimir B. Grebenschikov vova@fbsd.ru From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 3 08:17:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7301D10656A3 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 08:17:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vova@sw.ru) Received: from relay.sw.ru (mailhub.sw.ru [195.214.232.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4D068FC24 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 08:17:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vova@sw.ru) Received: from vbook.fbsd.ru ([10.30.1.111]) (authenticated bits=0) by relay.sw.ru (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id m937Xorh004536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:33:51 +0400 (MSD) Received: from vova by vbook.fbsd.ru with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1KlfAb-0005DC-SB; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:33:49 +0400 From: Vladimir Grebenschikov To: frank@exit.com In-Reply-To: <1222969522.98558.4.camel@jill.exit.com> References: <200810021621.52597.regmeplease@gmail.com> <1222969522.98558.4.camel@jill.exit.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:33:49 +0400 Message-Id: <1223019229.1842.62.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Sender: Vladimir Grebenschikov Cc: Reg Me Please , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on laptops X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 08:17:37 -0000 On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 10:45 -0700, Frank Mayhar wrote: > On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 16:21 +0200, Reg Me Please wrote: > > Hi all. > > > > I'm considering to move from Linux to FreeBSD on my main laptop. > > I don't have enough time resources for the "test and try" process > > I'd like to know from the community what is the status for: > > 0. Core2 Duo CPUs > > Full support, of course. .. > > 2. support for power management (mostly ACPI and CPU clock freq. ) on laptops > > Generally good support, with some exceptions (mostly having to do with > buggy ACPI, from what I understand). I believe two items above is badly compatible with each other from suspend/resume point of view. I have T60 ans still can't to resume system after suspend. There was some messages in list about success to resume of SMP IBM's system (like T60, T61) but I've failed to reproduce any of these. Probably somebody dig dipper in that field already ? -- Vladimir B. Grebenschikov vova@fbsd.ru From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 3 16:05:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A1410656B2 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:05:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [220.233.188.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F8E78FC08 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:05:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m93G4jTT079082; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 02:04:46 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 02:04:45 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Vladimir Grebenschikov In-Reply-To: <1223019229.1842.62.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20081004005454.W49572@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <200810021621.52597.regmeplease@gmail.com> <1222969522.98558.4.camel@jill.exit.com> <1223019229.1842.62.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Reg Me Please , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on laptops X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:05:18 -0000 On Fri, 3 Oct 2008, Vladimir Grebenschikov wrote: > On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 10:45 -0700, Frank Mayhar wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 16:21 +0200, Reg Me Please wrote: > > > Hi all. > > > > > > I'm considering to move from Linux to FreeBSD on my main laptop. > > > I don't have enough time resources for the "test and try" process > > > I'd like to know from the community what is the status for: > > > 0. Core2 Duo CPUs > > > > Full support, of course. > .. > > > 2. support for power management (mostly ACPI and CPU clock freq. ) on laptops > > > > Generally good support, with some exceptions (mostly having to do with > > buggy ACPI, from what I understand). > > I believe two items above is badly compatible with each other from > suspend/resume point of view. > > I have T60 ans still can't to resume system after suspend. There was > some messages in list about success to resume of SMP IBM's system (like > T60, T61) but I've failed to reproduce any of these. > > Probably somebody dig dipper in that field already ? The original message about SMP suspend/resume support with a patch to 8-CURRENT was on 13 May 08 by Takanori Watanabe in freebsd-acpi, which worked on his ThinkPad X61. See the thread at: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-acpi/2008-May/thread.html I don't recall having seen any mention of progress since, despite having felt at the time that it seemed important for FreeBSD ongoing that this should work, especially in light of the general movement to more mobile platforms and the fast increasing predominance of multi-core laptops. That said, my fastest laptop is a Thinkpad T23 that suspends & resumes reliably, so I'm not even in a position to help test the code, let alone suggest that 'somebody should do something about it' :) There was also mention of a GSoC project for suspend-to-disk (hibernate) in -acpi on 03 Apr 08 but I've not heard if anything has come of it. cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 4 01:09:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97624106568B for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 01:09:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from knowtree@aloha.com) Received: from relay.pixi.com (relay.pixi.com [206.127.224.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33CA88FC0A for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 01:09:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from knowtree@aloha.com) Received: from yoda.pixi.com (yoda.pixi.com [206.127.224.41]) by relay.pixi.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m940qGtq019490 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:52:16 -1000 (HST) Received: from webmail.pixi.com (yoda.pixi.com [206.127.224.120] (may be forged)) by yoda.pixi.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id m940qGH5026350 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:52:16 -1000 Message-Id: <200810040052.m940qGH5026350@yoda.pixi.com> To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org From: knowtree@aloha.com Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:52:16 HST X-Posting-IP: 141.190.32.72 X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.2.19 Subject: Installing from USB drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 01:09:45 -0000 In general, is it possible to install FreeBSD from CD-ROM using a USB plug-in drive? More specifically, I am thinking about picking up a Fujitsu LifeBook P1620 convertable tablet PC. It does not have a built-in optical drive, but Fujitsu does list two external USB drives, one a Dual-Layer DVD Writer, the other a DVD/CD-RW combo drive. I submitted my question to their tech support and am awaiting an answer, but in the meantime I thought I should ask here, too. Besides the obvious question of whether or not the P1620 will boot from a USB optical drive, I wonder if the FreeBSD boot loader knows how to load the installation kernal from a USB drive. Then there is the issue of making this a dual boot system. By the way, the T1010 has a built-in optical drive, and the T2010 has it in the docking station. This makes the T1010 the best choice in terms of compatibility, but I like the smaller size of the P1620 and rarely use an optical drive. Too bad the P1620 is not like the Apple Air, which can use an optical drive in another computer on the network to install OS X and applications. Gary Dunn Honolulu Open Slate Project http://openslate.net/ mailto:osp@aloha.com From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 4 06:52:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34EC5106568B for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 06:52:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.154]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D158FC1C for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 06:52:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so1242071fgb.35 for ; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:52:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RM05QBTCLO+2vVTLSVl8ZS67cmY4fTCZ92z+fFiiI1Q=; b=W+SOSt2dG8fWwaPIvQd8QQLr1RQP55fFEeU0OxhzNErxstREDsQP58HDcH2a5JY1ad r69yyVP7Gu8FCw4yWGeosnXG4Xc+9UFHMaPv4atM+3oHqwClrQRmO27uMOqLHT3bmiYt qNkg/1PclzpvQe/tjyuLhQALD4hJYK4d1Mri8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=fffG4x9P9x/MMAGUDKJ/b5Vqkp2rw17/wfjoZPOUoLU/ATEmgd+vs+SgQU80pimm43 JuIvLNNPngY/j06HTu9IfYJSPpWHhHJYYobJ75Mb+1f5kR80uRVffexlTVEqv+tcVJUn RzdxZcrvXWdoH11mIV2hq7bEcq+HrZVNOyXT0= Received: by 10.181.25.18 with SMTP id c18mr1526062bkj.61.1223101391520; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlantis.dyndns.org (athedsl-323089.home.otenet.gr [85.72.117.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm6003688fkx.1.2008.10.03.23.23.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:23:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48E70BCC.3030302@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 09:23:08 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080829) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: knowtree@aloha.com References: <200810040052.m940qGH5026350@yoda.pixi.com> In-Reply-To: <200810040052.m940qGH5026350@yoda.pixi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing from USB drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 06:52:54 -0000 knowtree@aloha.com wrote: > In general, is it possible to install FreeBSD from CD-ROM using a USB > plug-in drive? > > More specifically, I am thinking about picking up a Fujitsu LifeBook P1620 > convertable tablet PC. It does not have a built-in optical drive, but > Fujitsu does list two external USB drives, one a Dual-Layer DVD Writer, the > other a DVD/CD-RW combo drive. I submitted my question to their tech > support and am awaiting an answer, but in the meantime I thought I should > ask here, too. > > Besides the obvious question of whether or not the P1620 will boot from a > USB optical drive, I wonder if the FreeBSD boot loader knows how to load > the installation kernal from a USB drive. Then there is the issue of making > this a dual boot system. > > By the way, the T1010 has a built-in optical drive, and the T2010 has it in > the docking station. This makes the T1010 the best choice in terms of > compatibility, but I like the smaller size of the P1620 and rarely use an > optical drive. Too bad the P1620 is not like the Apple Air, which can use > an optical drive in another computer on the network to install OS X and > applications. > > Gary Dunn > Honolulu > Open Slate Project > http://openslate.net/ > mailto:osp@aloha.com > If your BIOS can boot from a USB CD-ROM, you will be able to install FreeBSD with no problems. All recent BIOS can - and even older ones actually. I have a couple of machines with 865G chipset (not exactly state of the art) and they boot just fine. The eeePC boots and installs fine from a USB CD. Before the kernel (which also holds the drivers) is loaded, everything you need to read from disk / CD has to go through the BIOS at some point. After the kernel executes it will easily locate the CD (it will look like a SCSI CD-ROM in FreeBSD) and install from it. As for making a dual boot system, there are of course various ways. Depends on what the other OS is. If you plan to dual boot with Windows Vista for example, I suggest you do not install the FreeBSD boot loader when asked, but instead to use a clever utility (EasyBCD) on the Windows side: http://neosmart.net/dl.php?id=1 Quick and painless :) From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 4 13:10:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82F68106568E for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 13:10:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gaijin.k@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f21.google.com (mail-gx0-f21.google.com [209.85.217.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 387448FC2E for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 13:10:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gaijin.k@gmail.com) Received: by gxk14 with SMTP id 14so3515981gxk.19 for ; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 06:10:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:cc :in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version :x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pap7QRDeqiZHtSnD5675wZGWMhF7j8JCm5Ua49AYXFk=; b=eYVnFFXEv4HupeGkATtkz0pBiH7GA8j4qHGgoH+Fsu84/uEG/w8E5S6nUKeCi5EIgg Poqfm9pFj0XzfqzibTcFNtC1gf70ma5LP5U3MVRBhE5X7aSe1ZXB8cDb9qSXdfzBKzMt /CLig/U1Wj/qC9G8nQL28kB5j7qTkEERbghgY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date :message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=GOtf8347/ixLzprfJd95EVvJ5cYcxwblkyaqoCcO7XRaMBx8pd+wkeKtMyYRWoRDSP +QT0qHLKvar5NRdV5aB6pyE+yqn+nYZIZ+I9UQFBeAIyuzAuhx77fPxBTURk2zuPGBLB 3bsHLGlnwU9eRT9QK36/szdMl+BBaIqN+yTQM= Received: by 10.100.6.13 with SMTP id 13mr2683438anf.83.1223125825494; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 06:10:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.3.231? (pool-70-111-10-128.nwrk.east.verizon.net [70.111.10.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b29sm8845349ana.22.2008.10.04.06.10.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 06:10:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" To: knowtree@aloha.com In-Reply-To: <200810040052.m940qGH5026350@yoda.pixi.com> References: <200810040052.m940qGH5026350@yoda.pixi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 09:10:00 -0400 Message-Id: <1223125800.49696.10.camel@RabbitsDen> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing from USB drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:10:26 -0000 On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 14:52 +0000, knowtree@aloha.com wrote: > In general, is it possible to install FreeBSD from CD-ROM using a USB > plug-in drive? While it is slightly OT, you should also keep in mind that PXE boot/install option might be there for you as well. I have built (and, on few occasions, rebuilt) my ThinkPad X60 this way and found it fairly convenient. HTH, -- Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko (Олександр Коваленко) From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 4 14:39:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 095DE106564A for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 14:39:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from volker@vwsoft.com) Received: from frontmail.ipactive.de (frontmail.maindns.de [85.214.95.103]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 883D08FC0C for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 14:39:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from volker@vwsoft.com) Received: from mail.vtec.ipme.de (Q7d3d.q.ppp-pool.de [89.53.125.61]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by frontmail.ipactive.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FBA412883F; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 16:22:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from cesar.sz.vwsoft.com (unknown [192.168.18.3]) by mail.vtec.ipme.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66482E90F; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 16:20:43 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <48E77BF8.102@vwsoft.com> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:21:44 +0200 From: Volker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080930) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Manolis Kiagias References: <200810040052.m940qGH5026350@yoda.pixi.com> <48E70BCC.3030302@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48E70BCC.3030302@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1223734855.83477@qcwp1Q0qX31nOStr3DX5eQ X-MailScanner-ID: C66482E90F.A958B X-VWSoft-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: volker@vwsoft.com X-ipactive-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ipactive-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ipactive-MailScanner-From: volker@vwsoft.com Cc: knowtree@aloha.com, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: Installing from USB drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 14:39:02 -0000 On 12/23/-58 20:59, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > knowtree@aloha.com wrote: >> In general, is it possible to install FreeBSD from CD-ROM using a USB >> plug-in drive? >> >> More specifically, I am thinking about picking up a Fujitsu LifeBook >> P1620 >> convertable tablet PC. It does not have a built-in optical drive, but >> Fujitsu does list two external USB drives, one a Dual-Layer DVD >> Writer, the >> other a DVD/CD-RW combo drive. I submitted my question to their tech >> support and am awaiting an answer, but in the meantime I thought I should >> ask here, too. >> >> Besides the obvious question of whether or not the P1620 will boot from a >> USB optical drive, I wonder if the FreeBSD boot loader knows how to load >> the installation kernal from a USB drive. Then there is the issue of >> making >> this a dual boot system. >> >> By the way, the T1010 has a built-in optical drive, and the T2010 has >> it in >> the docking station. This makes the T1010 the best choice in terms of >> compatibility, but I like the smaller size of the P1620 and rarely use an >> optical drive. Too bad the P1620 is not like the Apple Air, which can use >> an optical drive in another computer on the network to install OS X and >> applications. >> >> Gary Dunn >> Honolulu >> Open Slate Project http://openslate.net/ >> mailto:osp@aloha.com >> > > If your BIOS can boot from a USB CD-ROM, you will be able to install > FreeBSD with no problems. That depends! Lately I've investigated a lot of boot problems and was wondering about the USB stuff. Sadly, not every vendor has an understanding about the boot process and not every BIOS does handle booting off USB devices well. What I've found so far, was interesting while one may assume, how a BIOS should boot a system should be well known to the vendors for more than twenty years now. One BIOS refused to load the MBR (not only usb related) while two different slices were (by accident) flagged active in the slice table. The BIOS just claimed it was unable to find a boot device. I expect problems like these to be handled (or claimed about) by the MBR, not by the BIOS. (interestingly this was on an Intel Atom board - Intel should know better) Another BIOS refused to load the MBR off an USB thumb drive, if the thumb drive wasn't the first bootable device in the boot device chain (the first one wasn't bootable). Instead of loading the MBR off the thumb drive or booting off the flagged active slice, the BIOS saw a FAT filesystem and tried to boot that (not marked active). IMO a BIOS should not try to know anything about a filesystem at all. Another BIOS booted off the USB thumb drive (loaded the MBR) but as soon as the MBR has been loaded, the BIOS threw away the legacy device emulation and thus the MBR code was unable to access that device as the MBR code of course does not have any knowledge of USB devices and has to rely on INT13 BIOS support. If the USB device isn't accessible through INT13, you won't go very far. I've seen the last problem on several boards. If you're lucky, there might be an option in the BIOS setup to enable EHCI handoff support. Should you experience problems like the first one, check your slice table. The other ones can probably worked around by either setting the USB device to a high boot device priority or trash your board and blame the BIOS vendor. For the last problem, it may (or may not) help to play with BIOS settings. For an USB cdrom drive, it may fail for the BTX loader. Latest versions should work but YMMV. IMO you should best try to boot off a thumb drive to see if your board has problems booting off USB devices at all. > All recent BIOS can - and even older ones actually. I have a couple of > machines with 865G chipset (not exactly state of the art) and they boot > just fine. My mileage varies here ;) I've experienced the most problems on an 865 board. The board vendor tried to fix some issues on my request but that wasn't a success. I expect the BIOS to provide just basic services to the machine but today's vendors seem to try to get some cleverness into their code which hurts if you don't use a M$ based system. Preparing a thumb drive for testing BIOS behavior is easy: fdisk -BI /dev/daN bsdlabel -wB /dev/daNs1 newfs it mount it cd /usr/src make distrib-dirs distribution installworld installkernel \ DESTDIR=/daNmountpoint unmount it Good luck! Volker From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 4 20:43:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EECEE1065678 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 20:43:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from nyi.unixathome.org (nyi.unixathome.org [64.147.113.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E628FC12 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 20:43:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A591B50848; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 21:26:22 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from nyi.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nyi.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DCm-mJCjLO2l; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 21:26:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from laptop.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [72.78.246.37]) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 73BE65083F; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 21:26:21 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <48E7D128.6090609@langille.org> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:25:12 -0400 From: Dan Langille Organization: The FreeBSD Diary User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080623) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Manolis Kiagias , knowtree@aloha.com, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org References: <200810040052.m940qGH5026350@yoda.pixi.com> <48E70BCC.3030302@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48E70BCC.3030302@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Installing from USB drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 20:43:33 -0000 Manolis Kiagias wrote: > knowtree@aloha.com wrote: >> In general, is it possible to install FreeBSD from CD-ROM using a USB >> plug-in drive? >> >> More specifically, I am thinking about picking up a Fujitsu LifeBook >> P1620 >> convertable tablet PC. It does not have a built-in optical drive, but >> Fujitsu does list two external USB drives, one a Dual-Layer DVD >> Writer, the >> other a DVD/CD-RW combo drive. I submitted my question to their tech >> support and am awaiting an answer, but in the meantime I thought I should >> ask here, too. >> >> Besides the obvious question of whether or not the P1620 will boot from a >> USB optical drive, I wonder if the FreeBSD boot loader knows how to load >> the installation kernal from a USB drive. Then there is the issue of >> making >> this a dual boot system. >> >> By the way, the T1010 has a built-in optical drive, and the T2010 has >> it in >> the docking station. This makes the T1010 the best choice in terms of >> compatibility, but I like the smaller size of the P1620 and rarely use an >> optical drive. Too bad the P1620 is not like the Apple Air, which can use >> an optical drive in another computer on the network to install OS X and >> applications. >> >> Gary Dunn >> Honolulu >> Open Slate Project http://openslate.net/ >> mailto:osp@aloha.com >> > > If your BIOS can boot from a USB CD-ROM, you will be able to install > FreeBSD with no problems. Should. I've been able to boot from the USB CD-ROM but failed to install: http://www.freebsddiary.org/thinkpad-x61s.php FreeBSD 6.x and 7.x both failed. Eventually I succeeded with a docking station that contained a CD-ROM drive. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 4 21:32:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21AF1106568A for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 21:32:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.154]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E1E8FC22 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 21:32:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so1410887fgb.35 for ; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 14:32:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EvwjrQZInk0TGVUPNfwsM3Uubjb54kfHvroHfCfpaxo=; b=xhBm6zuj9yoW+lImcRJrVEDaBniMOmInjliFtxaBEzbPNoFjlDPoZlkVvV50vxQWZR svXrk5rEZxBr7vKS7xRNTHwFgs+kvJqsHB0FQ8/1sY/ZbZ0TcdWuY80Z/g43oOokhfCa Ivrb2stegiKaEvgVVFQcy/KBf74oB2q4BndSY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=GAgh5FWd3iwECBFibRgSM7qeMxSNb4MITBj/Zp1v+ryNr9v3ja+za7kXCkz8QxrJKq hWECjmw2RQakpf+c7Hd+c0qW6VfiOx8Ge7tI5VYSP7MgGeWSyYnn4pvQEyJUMu8ykGbA oA5aIi0CI1ee+B9AdnAw4KZ/17GYwGvEicVpg= Received: by 10.180.227.2 with SMTP id z2mr2248997bkg.12.1223155928900; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 14:32:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlantis.dyndns.org (athedsl-323089.home.otenet.gr [85.72.117.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm7688939fkr.4.2008.10.04.14.32.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 14:32:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48E7E0D5.3090809@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 00:32:05 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080829) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Langille References: <200810040052.m940qGH5026350@yoda.pixi.com> <48E70BCC.3030302@gmail.com> <48E7D128.6090609@langille.org> In-Reply-To: <48E7D128.6090609@langille.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: knowtree@aloha.com, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing from USB drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 21:32:11 -0000 Dan Langille wrote: >> >> If your BIOS can boot from a USB CD-ROM, you will be able to install >> FreeBSD with no problems. > > Should. > > I've been able to boot from the USB CD-ROM but failed to install: > > http://www.freebsddiary.org/thinkpad-x61s.php > > FreeBSD 6.x and 7.x both failed. Eventually I succeeded with a > docking station that contained a CD-ROM drive. > > I must have been lucky. All my recent laptops can boot / install FreeBSD from USB CD-ROM. I only need this on the eeePC however. I also have a desktop without an internal CD and regularly use the USB CD to install. I have not been so lucky with USB hard disks though. They will not boot on anything but my most recent machines. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 4 22:29:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D2AE106568C for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 22:29:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ph@desktopbsd.net) Received: from lilzmailso01.liwest.at (lilzmailso01.liwest.at [212.33.55.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37CCF8FC0A for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 22:29:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ph@desktopbsd.net) Received: from cpe90-146-141-232.liwest.at ([90.146.141.232] helo=[10.0.0.3]) by lilzmailso01.liwest.at with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1KmFcT-0004Bs-Mp; Sun, 05 Oct 2008 00:29:01 +0200 From: Peter Hofer Organization: The DesktopBSD Project To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 00:27:16 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <200810021923.44056.ph@desktopbsd.net> <48E52FB9.7020501@csub.edu> <48E53F83.7090006@csub.edu> In-Reply-To: <48E53F83.7090006@csub.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200810050027.16905.ph@desktopbsd.net> X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: ALL_TRUSTED=-1.8, BAYES_99=3.5 Cc: Russell Jackson Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.x with Thinkpad X200 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 22:29:10 -0000 Hello Russell, thank you for addressing my questions in such detail. I will give this some thought since I would really like to run FreeBSD on this laptop and would prefer 7.x over CURRENT. Best regards, Peter From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 4 23:02:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BEAF106568A for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 23:02:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dforsythe@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f21.google.com (mail-gx0-f21.google.com [209.85.217.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 214EA8FC0C for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 23:02:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dforsythe@gmail.com) Received: by gxk14 with SMTP id 14so3758393gxk.19 for ; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:02:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=GxlXMMpfuF7dVUXN3MsKEwLOpf30I/SWp3WJfi7ZJUw=; b=hrGLSAlCmrtcgopCr3fExwXaOr5R/YtWVmeRuhj6do7zLiDjjQWcRnxAQp1kbLuvf4 aCBkjjRbkuJItKQiHRC29JX+7LWCAF284ZQ2CfhWSYceISrkGJ36IvApoMxvGUf+jEKM WBWKb6V5fliF3ZvmQyUhNCgaPjtYOLYNjQ7Qg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Gw2HM+CIppvigfbEMZKTjNRa0f1aIFLtQdNZ+CrEEkfC+Xbid5lB3uJNBc3Jn1f0SV HviKLJnpERBSYYSsnNflFa7+TdyKHJnrB2rtlnXhzx0xLUeOVhS7v/rlOeCpgStlXODu vn6eCMRxLQjCr0g6EEg7A9PLcZz5Iq/Zh0Ruc= Received: by 10.90.50.7 with SMTP id x7mr3470764agx.44.1223159856120; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.93.5 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 15:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 18:37:36 -0400 From: "David Forsythe" Sender: dforsythe@gmail.com To: "Peter Hofer" In-Reply-To: <200810050027.16905.ph@desktopbsd.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200810021923.44056.ph@desktopbsd.net> <48E52FB9.7020501@csub.edu> <48E53F83.7090006@csub.edu> <200810050027.16905.ph@desktopbsd.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: e0d4da1dbad28c06 Cc: Russell Jackson , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.x with Thinkpad X200 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 23:02:52 -0000 Just a heads up, I installed CURRENT on my X200 last night, and so far everything aside from Xorg has worked well (atheros wireless). If I can get around to it, I'll try putting 7.x onto it this week. On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Peter Hofer wrote: > Hello Russell, > > thank you for addressing my questions in such detail. > > I will give this some thought since I would really like to run FreeBSD on this > laptop and would prefer 7.x over CURRENT. > > Best regards, > Peter > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- David Forsythe