From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 00:08:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 141771065670 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:08:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jguojun@gmail.com) Received: from smtp121.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (smtp121.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [69.147.64.94]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EBC408FC08 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:08:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jguojun@gmail.com) Received: (qmail 45553 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2008 00:08:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.14?) (jguojun@75.37.2.43 with plain) by smtp121.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2008 00:08:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wiknvWUVM1mpxQfeCnJSudaJxjsmC70dOl9J2rxuC89vTi7bRjWiXU8hYpEYLMGfsn5rsXNV1AAKfXUQRFqaKN57ekxyfJwDWZydqcyTIPAopGWUoeXiWzEKemCry7rTrco- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <491F6466.40309@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:08:06 -0800 From: "Jin Guojun[VFF]" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20071201 X-Accept-Language: en, zh, zh-CN To: Erik Trulsson References: <491F413A.4020108@gmail.com> <20081115223556.GA45503@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <491F54A0.9090702@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <491F54A0.9090702@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: questions@freebsd.org, ipfw@freebsd.org Subject: Re: some ipfw filter does not function under Release 6.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:08:13 -0000 I think this is a bug in ipfw because after change the rule order, the problem persists: 00566 26 3090 deny ip from 221.192.199.36 to any 65330 2018 983473 allow tcp from any to any established 65535 0 0 deny ip from any to any 15:47:21.238720 IP 221.192.199.36.4469 > 192.168.2.14.80: S 3191960249:3191960249(0) win 65535 15:47:21.238768 IP 192.168.2.14.80 > 221.192.199.36.4469: S 2102254306:2102254306(0) ack 3191960250 win 65535 15:47:21.483754 IP 221.192.199.36.4469 > 192.168.2.14.80: . ack 1 win 65535 15:47:21.499489 IP 221.192.199.36.4469 > 192.168.2.14.80: P 1:206(205) ack 1 win 65535 15:47:24.238570 IP 192.168.2.14.80 > 221.192.199.36.4469: S 2102254306:2102254306(0) ack 3191960250 win 65535 15:47:24.482113 IP 221.192.199.36.4469 > 192.168.2.14.80: . ack 1 win 65535 15:47:24.498613 IP 221.192.199.36.4469 > 192.168.2.14.80: P 1:206(205) ack 1 win 65535 15:47:30.238574 IP 192.168.2.14.80 > 221.192.199.36.4469: S 2102254306:2102254306(0) ack 3191960250 win 65535 15:47:30.482746 IP 221.192.199.36.4469 > 192.168.2.14.80: . ack 1 win 65535 15:47:30.513193 IP 221.192.199.36.4469 > 192.168.2.14.80: P 1:206(205) ack 1 win 65535 15:47:42.238577 IP 192.168.2.14.80 > 221.192.199.36.4469: S 2102254306:2102254306(0) ack 3191960250 win 65535 15:47:42.435040 IP 221.192.199.36.4469 > 192.168.2.14.80: P 1:206(205) ack 1 win 65535 15:47:42.466055 IP 221.192.199.36.4469 > 192.168.2.14.80: . ack 1 win 65535 15:47:54.466599 IP 221.192.199.36.4469 > 192.168.2.14.80: P 1:206(205) ack 1 win 65535 15:47:59.703272 IP 221.192.199.36.4469 > 192.168.2.14.80: R 206:206(0) ack 1 win 0 Jin Guojun[VFF] wrote: But the rule 330 should only allow established TCP pass through. In other words, Sync should NOT allowed by rule 330, or I missed something for this rule? Erik Trulsson wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 01:38:02PM -0800, Jin Guojun[VFF] wrote: Below is set of ipfw rules, but it seems that not all rules are functioning properly. From rule 361 to first two of rule 567 are not blocking any traffic and not measuring any traffic. Is this bacuse tcp rule )330) can overwrite the ip rule? or this is a known issue in R-6.3? In general the first matching rule is the one that is applied. In your case this means that if a packet matches your rule 330 then it will be allowed through, and the rules further down the list will not be considered. The second and third rules in rule set 567 seem working well. -Jin ---------------- ipfw rule sets --------- 00330 3108378 2700826874 allow tcp from any to any established 00361 0 0 deny ip from 203.83.248.93 to any 00361 0 0 deny ip from 72.30.142.215 to any 00567 0 0 deny ip from 193.200.241.171 to any 00567 0 0 deny ip from 221.192.199.36 to any 00567 3 180 deny ip from 118.153.18.186 to any 00567 3 180 deny ip from 203.78.214.180 to any 00567 0 0 deny ip from 118.219.232.123 to any 65500 220 20043 allow udp from any to any 65535 2 120 deny ip from any to any ------ traffic captured by tcpdump behind ipfw machine ----- 04:12:20.940095 IP 221.192.199.36.12200 > 192.168.2.14.80: S 200229998:200229998(0) win 8192 04:12:21.204430 IP 221.192.199.36.12200 > 192.168.2.14.80: R 200229999:200229999(0) win 0 04:31:16.262402 IP 221.192.199.36.12200 > 192.168.2.14.80: S 200233658:200233658(0) win 8192 04:31:16.541868 IP 221.192.199.36.12200 > 192.168.2.14.80: R 200233659:200233659(0) win 0 05:27:04.031434 IP 221.192.199.36.12200 > 192.168.2.14.80: S 200244634:200244634(0) win 8192 05:27:04.303262 IP 221.192.199.36.12200 > 192.168.2.14.80: R 200244635:200244635(0) win 0 05:28:18.099443 IP 221.192.199.36.3362 > 192.168.2.14.80: S 2422872529:2422872529(0) win 65535 05:28:18.352083 IP 221.192.199.36.3362 > 192.168.2.14.80: . ack 3968474717 win 65535 05:28:18.367745 IP 221.192.199.36.3362 > 192.168.2.14.80: P 0:205(205) ack 1 win 65535 05:28:18.621538 IP 221.192.199.36.3362 > 192.168.2.14.80: R 205:205(0) ack 473 win 0 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 00:10:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70B5E106567F for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:10:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@nyi.unixathome.org) Received: from nyi.unixathome.org (nyi.unixathome.org [64.147.113.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE198FC1E for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:10:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@nyi.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C605750A4F for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:10:09 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from nyi.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nyi.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AaQEpi9Fd9Wv for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:10:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2EF4C509BF; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:10:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20081116001004.2EF4C509BF@nyi.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:10:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2008-10-26 - 2008-11-15 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:10:11 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 01:28:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5245C106568C for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 01:28:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13FD38FC17 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 01:28:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-5-97.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.5.97]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67D5C50530; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:28:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mAG1SVHJ002907; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:28:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:28:31 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Jesse Sheidlower Message-Id: <20081116022831.9b9ce368.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20081115221725.GA16317@panix.com> References: <20081115221725.GA16317@panix.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Creating network interface in VM? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 01:28:35 -0000 On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:17:25 -0500, Jesse Sheidlower wrote: > I'm running FreeBSD 7.1-BETA2 in a virtual machine in > VirtualBox, running on a Linux (Debian) host. > [...] > I tried to set this up on the FreeBSD side, but I am unable to > even create the vbox0 interface: > > --- > # ifconfig vbox0 create > ifconfig: SIOCIFCREATE2: Invalid argument > --- > I'm not sure, but I think what you're searching for would be to have VB "create" a NIC substitute for the FreeBSD guest OS. When you said, you could reach network from out of the FreeBSD VB, a virtual network adapter. Which interface did you use from within FreeBSD? As far as I know, there's no vbox (pseudo)interface driver in FreeBSD, that's why the ifconfig create command returned an error. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 01:39:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF3CE1065676 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 01:39:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FEDA8FC0A for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 01:39:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAG1dLGs005791; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:39:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:38:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:38:55 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Roland Smith Message-ID: <20081116013854.GA2977@thought.org> References: <20081115084600.GA4998@thought.org> <20081115123726.GA32845@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081115123726.GA32845@slackbox.xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DNS_FROM_SECURITYSAGE autolearn=no version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: "High Noonn" DVD?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 01:39:02 -0000 On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 01:37:26PM +0100, Roland Smith wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 12:46:03AM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > Do any of you guys know why the DVD version of HIGH NOON won't play on my > > computers? I've tried everything I can think of. Zero. I watched the > > *original* in the theater (I think); then have watched the tape in '98, > > and the DVD just now. I'm not that nutty to waste a DVD-R on it; I'm > > just wondering my none of my players won't play it. > > Different region? Most players are locked to a certain region, and won't > play disks from other regions. Although it is possible to install > upgraded or modified firmware that removes the region encoding, that > usually needs a windows program. And it can brick your player when done > incorrectly. > > Roland I just realized that last night the DVD jumped right into the Start of the film. No FBI threats of extraordinary rendition to those who would copy, no pre-list of places to jump to. The extra features were at the end, only. So it's probably a bad disc. Also, the few time I tried different players--vlc first, the player locked up and the DVD tray was wegded. Doing a shutdown I was the console spitting out "DMA error" type strings. So ... while *usually* our players are fault tolerant, not in this case. Since it's awhile until 2013, I'm not going to bother asking the library for another copy. thanks, gents, gary PS: I just tried of of the few DVD's i have [thank-you, PBS], "Keltic Woman"; works flawlessly. {mm-BAR}, :-) > -- > R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ > [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] > pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 01:48:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FF0106567E for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 01:48:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186858FC0A for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 01:48:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-5-97.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.5.97]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9EA65038F; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:48:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mAG1mhhi003230; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:48:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:48:43 +0100 From: Polytropon To: dan-freebsd-questions@ourbrains.org Message-Id: <20081116024843.fed3b3c8.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20081115061957.GA10998@ourbrains.org> References: <20081110110805.GK1302@obspm.fr> <20081110161002.GA81960@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081110203643.GH27646@obspm.fr> <200811102235.46971.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <4ad871310811101530p7b2baa0fk7f7b5118e314c11d@mail.gmail.com> <4918CE42.3050504@ccstores.com> <20081115061957.GA10998@ourbrains.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: root /etc/csh X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 01:48:46 -0000 On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:19:57 -0500, dan-freebsd-questions@ourbrains.org wrote: > Why doesn't FreeBSD ship bash and other shells besides > the `sh' linked statically is beyond me. It wouldn't break ports, would > it? I can't speak for FreeBSD's developers, but I think it's a primary philosophy to provide only a set of basic means by the base system, instead of a more or less complete collection of shells, just for the case that someone might want it. Well, bash, zsh or ksh are very powerful tools, but those who want them will surely install them right after the base system. Furthermore, there are those users who are not interested in those shells at all (maybe because they're using GUI stuff only, or maybe because they're completely happy with sh for scriting and csh for dialog mode). For UNIX compati- bility, /bin/sh is sufficient, and csh, configured properly, is an excellent dialog shell. FreeBSD isn't a shell collection, it's an operating system. :-) Just as a sidenote, when you put this into /etc/csh.cshrc, your csh will behave (except scripting constructs, of course) somewhat like bash: set promptchars = "%#" set prompt = "%n@%m:%~%# " set autolist or set promptchars = ">#" set prompt = "[%n@%m] %~ %# " set autolist -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 01:50:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC6E1065693 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 01:50:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0F0D8FC14 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 01:50:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAG1ooCX005870; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:50:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:50:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:50:23 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Michael Powell Message-ID: <20081116015023.GB2977@thought.org> References: <20081115084600.GA4998@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, DNS_FROM_SECURITYSAGE autolearn=no version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "High Noonn" DVD?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 01:50:28 -0000 On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 08:19:28AM -0500, Michael Powell wrote: > Gary Kline wrote: > > > > > Do any of you guys know why the DVD version of HIGH NOON won't play on my > > computers? I've tried everything I can think of. Zero. I watched the > > *original* in the theater (I think); then have watched the tape in '98, > > and the DVD just now. I'm not that nutty to waste a DVD-R on it; I'm > > just wondering my none of my players won't play it. > > > > thanks, > > > > gary > > > > > > > Missing libdvdcss? > > -Mike No, I've got 1.2.9. More likely a just-barely usable disc. gary > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 01:52:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07671065670 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 01:52:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stupendoussteve@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.156]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB478FC17 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 01:52:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stupendoussteve@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.10.140]) by bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:52:30 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:52:30 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 68.225.143.90 by BAY122-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 01:52:29 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [68.225.143.90] X-Originating-Email: [stupendoussteve@hotmail.com] X-Sender: stupendoussteve@hotmail.com Message-ID: <491F7CD2.3050403@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:52:18 -0600 From: Steven Susbauer User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081106) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <20081115221725.GA16317@panix.com> <20081116022831.9b9ce368.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20081116022831.9b9ce368.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig8392F638E5A127E8FAC0DA15" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2008 01:52:30.0250 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC1D28A0:01C9478D] Cc: Jesse Sheidlower , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Creating network interface in VM? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 01:52:30 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig8392F638E5A127E8FAC0DA15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:17:25 -0500, Jesse Sheidlower = wrote: >> I'm running FreeBSD 7.1-BETA2 in a virtual machine in >> VirtualBox, running on a Linux (Debian) host. >> [...] >> I tried to set this up on the FreeBSD side, but I am unable to >> even create the vbox0 interface: >> >> --- >> # ifconfig vbox0 create >> ifconfig: SIOCIFCREATE2: Invalid argument >> --- >> >=20 > I'm not sure, but I think what you're searching for would be to > have VB "create" a NIC substitute for the FreeBSD guest OS. When > you said, you could reach network from out of the FreeBSD VB, > a virtual network adapter. Which interface did you use from > within FreeBSD? >=20 > As far as I know, there's no vbox (pseudo)interface driver in > FreeBSD, that's why the ifconfig create command returned an error. >=20 >=20 >=20 The guest machine is always going to use the virtual driver provided by virtualbox, which is configured through the virtualbox gui control before you start the machine. I suggest trying to configure that interface, not vbox0. vbox0 is an interface on the host OS. This howto from Ubuntu may help you out; notice that everything is configured on the host machine, the guest machine has no real differences: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox#Networking --------------enig8392F638E5A127E8FAC0DA15 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkkffNQACgkQ2i3YYzbDt08+WwCg8jU+K0oQ8sxLe/LB2JQgyH+q k24AoLTNkc0ynP1oLO2FctEDVNjAUEAu =RL77 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig8392F638E5A127E8FAC0DA15-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 02:04:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F27D61065670; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:04:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEAEF8FC18; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:04:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id mAG20smd015877; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:00:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id mAG20sjA015876; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:00:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:00:54 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20081116020054.GA15841@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <491D59D3.8080809@spansurf.com> <20081114203914.W14337@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <491DDD56.1040001@ccstores.com> <20081114225626.GA56663@icarus.home.lan> <20081114233640.GA7755@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081115012133.N16077@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081115012133.N16077@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Jerry McAllister , Jeremy Chadwick , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:04:58 -0000 On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 01:22:00AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >The OP asked advice on an OS alternative to Vista and asked about > >FreeBSD. Telling him that FreeBSD is a good choice is not making > >a religious statement. It is just answering his question in an > >honest manner. > > no - because it's not alternative for Windows Vista. He is trying to get out of Vista, not trying to be Vista with another name. ////jerry > > Windows XP is an alternative. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 02:07:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 684C9106564A; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:07:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246648FC08; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:07:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id mAG23jt2015901; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:03:45 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id mAG23jw5015900; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:03:45 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:03:45 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20081116020345.GB15841@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <491D59D3.8080809@spansurf.com> <20081114203914.W14337@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <491DDD56.1040001@ccstores.com> <20081114225626.GA56663@icarus.home.lan> <20081115011836.N16077@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081115011836.N16077@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Jeremy Chadwick , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:07:48 -0000 On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 01:21:04AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > > >But why are we interested in "converting" people? That borders on > >religious, which an operating system should not be. > > exactly. > > it's a good idea to tell people about trying FreeBSD if they are already > using some flavor of unix. > > One can be "converted" from Solaris to FreeBSD, from NetBSD to OpenBSD, > and (sometimes) from linux to FreeBSD. > > But not from Windows. Come on, lose your thickness and let the guy be free from Vista. Tha is his purpose - not a religious conversion. He wants to use the computer, but not be stuck with certain Northwest USA environments. So, let him learn a meaningful server environment. Quit niggling about things not part of the situation just because you have some prejudices. ////jerry > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 02:11:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FFA71065672 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:11:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F10C8FC17 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:11:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id mAG273V9015928; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:07:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id mAG272Fi015927; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:07:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:07:02 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20081116020702.GC15841@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <491D59D3.8080809@spansurf.com> <1226700024.22782.30.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081115011731.K16077@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081115011731.K16077@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Da Rock , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:11:15 -0000 On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 01:18:07AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > >FreeBSD is a very powerful and stable system, but that said it is also > >very hands on - the opposite extreme of vista which is all hands off. > >This means that you will have a very steep learning curve. > > > simply reading FreeBSD handbook will be the best move for the beginning. > > But it is NOT windoze replacement. It is if you put it on the system instead of MS-Win stuff. It will totally replace it if you use fdisk to create a FreeBSD slice and then partition that slice and install FreeBSD. Win will be totally gone and the user will be merrily using something better. Of course, if the user had said he wanted something like Vista to run on his machine, then it wouldn't fit that category. But that is not what he said. ////jerry > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 02:19:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2579C1065691 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:19:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jester@panix.com) Received: from mail1.panix.com (mail1.panix.com [166.84.1.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3AEB8FC13 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:19:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jester@panix.com) Received: from panix2.panix.com (panix2.panix.com [166.84.1.2]) by mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD4F429409; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:19:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by panix2.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 834) id CEB1E1A403; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:19:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:19:14 -0500 From: Jesse Sheidlower To: Steven Susbauer Message-ID: <20081116021914.GA22615@panix.com> References: <20081115221725.GA16317@panix.com> <20081116022831.9b9ce368.freebsd@edvax.de> <491F7CD2.3050403@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <491F7CD2.3050403@hotmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Creating network interface in VM? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:19:15 -0000 On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 07:52:18PM -0600, Steven Susbauer wrote: > Polytropon wrote: > > On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:17:25 -0500, Jesse Sheidlower wrote: > >> I'm running FreeBSD 7.1-BETA2 in a virtual machine in > >> VirtualBox, running on a Linux (Debian) host. > >> [...] > >> I tried to set this up on the FreeBSD side, but I am unable to > >> even create the vbox0 interface: > >> > >> --- > >> # ifconfig vbox0 create > >> ifconfig: SIOCIFCREATE2: Invalid argument > >> --- > >> > > > > I'm not sure, but I think what you're searching for would be to > > have VB "create" a NIC substitute for the FreeBSD guest OS. When > > you said, you could reach network from out of the FreeBSD VB, > > a virtual network adapter. Which interface did you use from > > within FreeBSD? > > > > As far as I know, there's no vbox (pseudo)interface driver in > > FreeBSD, that's why the ifconfig create command returned an error. > > > > > > > The guest machine is always going to use the virtual driver provided by > virtualbox, which is configured through the virtualbox gui control > before you start the machine. I suggest trying to configure that > interface, not vbox0. vbox0 is an interface on the host OS. Ah, of course. That makes total sense, sorry I didn't grok this before. One of the virtual network cards worked fine, using the le0 driver, so I set up the le0 driver to use NAT to reach the outside, and then configured VB to use the same kind of virtual network card to run HIF networking, and set up the le1 driver in my FreeBSD machine at the appropriate addresses. Now everything works: I can reach the outside via the le0 driver and I can reach to and from my host with the le1 driver. Thanks! Jesse Sheidlower From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 02:23:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F4521065680 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:23:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1AD38FC12 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:23:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id mAG2JsTc016007; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:19:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id mAG2Jrhg016006; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:19:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:19:53 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Gary Kline Message-ID: <20081116021953.GA15989@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20081115084600.GA4998@thought.org> <491E9C9E.7050500@hotmail.com> <20081115114006.GE5468@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081115114006.GE5468@thought.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Steven Susbauer , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: "High Noonn" DVD?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:23:57 -0000 On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 03:40:06AM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 03:55:42AM -0600, Steven Susbauer wrote: > > Gary Kline wrote: > > > Do any of you guys know why the DVD version of HIGH NOON won't play on my > > > computers? I've tried everything I can think of. Zero. I watched the > > > *original* in the theater (I think); then have watched the tape in '98, > > > and the DVD just now. I'm not that nutty to waste a DVD-R on it; I'm > > > just wondering my none of my players won't play it. > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > gary > > > > > > > > I would wager it has something to do with a copy protection mechanism. > > Are you able to play other copy-protected DVDs fine? > > > > Steve > > > All the time with every one I've tried in recent years. Since this is > from 1952, perhaps the trouble is that it lacks the copy-protection. > anyway, this is so ancient, it would be a waste to copy! > gary I don't remember anyone making DVDs in 1952. Given that, I doubt there is any copy protection from then either. DVD copy protection is a DVD era thing, not built in to the movie. ////jerry > > -- > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix > http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 02:32:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D61106568A for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:32:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF8E8FC16 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:32:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fanU1a00p0vp7WLA7eYgir; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:32:40 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id feYf1a00C2P6wsM8ReYgRi; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:32:40 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=E5vnyEUqCrnxv9WhBkEA:9 a=vZwU2xJq7HETEeqT5OkA:7 a=uRJg1p53lXFXT3NkwZJoHKELZW8A:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=-aeQE0jYsuIA:10 a=QULPXuZbI_sA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BF25B33C36; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:32:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:32:39 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081116023239.GA89267@icarus.home.lan> References: <20081110110805.GK1302@obspm.fr> <20081110161002.GA81960@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081110203643.GH27646@obspm.fr> <200811102235.46971.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <4ad871310811101530p7b2baa0fk7f7b5118e314c11d@mail.gmail.com> <4918CE42.3050504@ccstores.com> <20081115061957.GA10998@ourbrains.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081115061957.GA10998@ourbrains.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: root /etc/csh X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:32:41 -0000 On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 01:19:57AM -0500, dan-freebsd-questions@ourbrains.org wrote: > > isn't the "main reason" because other shells may reside on a filesystem > > which isn't necessarily mounted in maintenance/single user mode? Or, libraries > > for the same? > > -- > > Jim Pazarena fquest@ccstores.com > > Just link the shell of your choice statically and put it somewhere in /. > Problem solved. Why doesn't FreeBSD ship bash and other shells besides > the `sh' linked statically is beyond me. It wouldn't break ports, would > it? It does break ports. Very, very badly. I know because I've personally attempted replacing /bin/sh with bash as a "I have a weekend to spare" project. The topic of bringing bash into BSD as /bin/sh has been discussed in the past many, many times. It's always a heated discussion. We went through the same thing discussing bringing tcsh in (remember, /bin/csh is tcsh). -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 02:45:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDDE2106564A for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:45:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd1@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA76B8FC13 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:45:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd1@a1poweruser.com) Received: from [10.0.10.6] ([202.69.174.225]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:44:54 -0800 Message-ID: <491F8976.6040902@a1poweruser.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:46:14 +0800 From: Fbsd1 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2008 02:44:54.0476 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E37F8C0:01C94795] X-Sender: fbsd1@a1poweruser.com Subject: Desktop image of Beastie X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:45:41 -0000 I picked up this jpg of Beastie over 10 years ago. Tried using it for a gdm logon screen background, but it's really light. http://www.a1poweruser.com/beastie.JPG Does any one know where i can get a darker version of this image? I tried to use gimp to make the image darker, but had no luck due to my lack of understanding of what I was doing. I sure appreciate you help. Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 03:36:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF4FE1065674 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 03:36:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan-freebsd-questions@ourbrains.org) Received: from ourbrains.org (li48-221.members.linode.com [66.246.76.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 52FBC8FC1B for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 03:36:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan-freebsd-questions@ourbrains.org) Received: (qmail 13630 invoked by uid 1000); 16 Nov 2008 03:36:24 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:36:24 -0500 From: Dan To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081116033624.GA13618@ourbrains.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081110110805.GK1302@obspm.fr> <20081110161002.GA81960@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081110203643.GH27646@obspm.fr> <200811102235.46971.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <4ad871310811101530p7b2baa0fk7f7b5118e314c11d@mail.gmail.com> <4918CE42.3050504@ccstores.com> <20081115061957.GA10998@ourbrains.org> <20081116023239.GA89267@icarus.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081116023239.GA89267@icarus.home.lan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: root /etc/csh X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 03:36:04 -0000 Jeremy Chadwick(koitsu@FreeBSD.org)@2008.11.15 18:32:39 -0800: > > Problem solved. Why doesn't FreeBSD ship bash and other shells besides > > the `sh' linked statically is beyond me. It wouldn't break ports, would > > it? > > It does break ports. Very, very badly. I know because I've personally > attempted replacing /bin/sh with bash as a "I have a weekend to spare" > project. You misunderstand. I do not suggest replacing the standard shell with bash, I suggest that the shells available in FreeBSD, even through ports to be linked statically so they can be used for rescue and recovery. If the default make instructions told to compile statically, it wouldn't break the ports. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 04:13:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39FA3106564A for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:13:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.26.172.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F28828FC19 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:13:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id mAG4DVNK033362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:13:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id mAG4DVFi033361; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:13:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA08110; Sat, 15 Nov 08 20:12:00 PST Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:16:07 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: fbsd1@a1poweruser.com Message-Id: <491f9e87.5Uz+JxcAHI4rskkU%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <491F8976.6040902@a1poweruser.com> In-Reply-To: <491F8976.6040902@a1poweruser.com> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Desktop image of Beastie X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:13:33 -0000 > I picked up this jpg of Beastie over 10 years ago. Tried using > it for a gdm logon screen background, but it's really light. > > http://www.a1poweruser.com/beastie.JPG > > Does any one know where i can get a darker version of this image? You're right, that's extremely faint, more like a watermark than an attraction in its own right. How about this one? http://www.freebsd.org/layout/images/beastie.png From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 05:01:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A1271065688 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 05:01:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A20678FC16 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 05:01:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.11]) by QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fgqH1a0070EZKEL55h18iL; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 05:01:08 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fh171a0072P6wsM3Mh17m5; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 05:01:08 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=dCyKhr079knvLUYGJPcA:9 a=t5NB39jDfaSU_e3l_9kA:7 a=mTdxswvv-QbbmY7a1tF27dGZcbsA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 21EEF33C36; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:01:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:01:07 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081116050107.GA91940@icarus.home.lan> References: <20081110110805.GK1302@obspm.fr> <20081110161002.GA81960@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081110203643.GH27646@obspm.fr> <200811102235.46971.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <4ad871310811101530p7b2baa0fk7f7b5118e314c11d@mail.gmail.com> <4918CE42.3050504@ccstores.com> <20081115061957.GA10998@ourbrains.org> <20081116023239.GA89267@icarus.home.lan> <20081116033624.GA13618@ourbrains.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081116033624.GA13618@ourbrains.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: root /etc/csh X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 05:01:10 -0000 On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 10:36:24PM -0500, Dan wrote: > Jeremy Chadwick(koitsu@FreeBSD.org)@2008.11.15 18:32:39 -0800: > > > Problem solved. Why doesn't FreeBSD ship bash and other shells besides > > > the `sh' linked statically is beyond me. It wouldn't break ports, would > > > it? > > > > It does break ports. Very, very badly. I know because I've personally > > attempted replacing /bin/sh with bash as a "I have a weekend to spare" > > project. > > You misunderstand. I do not suggest replacing the standard shell with > bash, I suggest that the shells available in FreeBSD, even through ports > to be linked statically so they can be used for rescue and recovery. > If the default make instructions told to compile statically, it wouldn't > break the ports. You're right -- I'm still not understanding. So let me cover the bases here: 1) The entire ports and FreeBSD build system (see: world) rely heavily on /bin/sh-isms and do not work with bash. bash being compiled statically will not solve these problems. 2) Changing the root users' shell is not recommended. There are a lot of reasons for this, but as mentioned, the main one is single-user scenarios (where /usr hasn't been mounted yet, thus /usr/local/bin/bash is not available -- and if it's installed as /bin/bash, the libraries /bin/bash link to are not available). 3) You can build bash statically; make WITH_STATIC_BASH=true. I do not know the true reason why the port is not built statically by default, but I can give you a damn good reason why it shouldn't be: complete and total wasted memory. Take into consideration environments where there are hundreds (or at my place of work, thousands) of users logged into a machine at once. Many of those are going to have /usr/local/bin/bash as their shell. A statically-linked version of bash would waste significant amounts of memory, while a dynamically-linked/shared version would ease that pain. The same applies for any static vs. dynamic program. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 06:35:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D6D1065692 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:35:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3878FC08 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:35:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from [80.217.86.51] (c80-217-86-51.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.86.51]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAG6ZWaH046356; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 07:35:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Message-ID: <491FBF34.3090703@bah.homeip.net> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 07:35:32 +0100 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: slrn/1.0.5 (FreeBSD) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?Tmlrb2xhIExlxI1pxIc=?= References: <491E781C.3090405@bah.homeip.net> <4ad871310811150516l7c94e763tabbba31027187dcd@mail.gmail.com> <491EE1A0.5050103@bah.homeip.net> <4ad871310811150651r6ea6fbb7l985b00f97fa96fa@mail.gmail.com> <491EEE0A.5040100@bah.homeip.net> <20081115171357.7afbaa4b@anthesphoria.net> In-Reply-To: <20081115171357.7afbaa4b@anthesphoria.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Glen Barber , FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems with Xfce & console X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:35:43 -0000 Nikola LeÄić said the following on 2008-11-15 17:13: > On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:43:06 +0100 > Bernt Hansson wrote: > >> For me it's just xfce with option "Virtual". >> if I omit "Virtual" xfce works fine but not any other WM. >> Strange. > > Can you try x11-drivers/xf86-video-radeonhd (Driver "radeonhd")? Yes I was thinking about that one but was not sure if it was another driver or just a rename. I test it when I get back to work. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 08:20:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 888C31065680 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:20:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.26.172.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 617B58FC08 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:20:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id mAG8KX7B063753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:20:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id mAG8KXve063752; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:20:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA08626; Sun, 16 Nov 08 00:18:04 PST Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:22:11 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: koitsu@freebsd.org Message-Id: <491fd833.zbV+im4fHqUJ5RRJ%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <20081110110805.GK1302@obspm.fr> <20081110161002.GA81960@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081110203643.GH27646@obspm.fr> <200811102235.46971.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <4ad871310811101530p7b2baa0fk7f7b5118e314c11d@mail.gmail.com> <4918CE42.3050504@ccstores.com> <20081115061957.GA10998@ourbrains.org> <20081116023239.GA89267@icarus.home.lan> <20081116033624.GA13618@ourbrains.org> <20081116050107.GA91940@icarus.home.lan> In-Reply-To: <20081116050107.GA91940@icarus.home.lan> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: root /etc/csh X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:20:34 -0000 > > > > ... Why doesn't FreeBSD ship bash and other shells besides > > > > the `sh' linked statically is beyond me. It wouldn't break > > > > ports, would it? > > > > > > It does break ports. Very, very badly. I know because I've > > > personally attempted replacing /bin/sh with bash as a "I have > > > a weekend to spare" project. > > > > You misunderstand. I do not suggest replacing the standard shell > > with bash, I suggest that the shells available in FreeBSD, even > > through ports to be linked statically so they can be used for > > rescue and recovery. If the default make instructions told to > > compile statically, it wouldn't break the ports. > > You're right -- I'm still not understanding. So let me cover the > bases here: > > 1) The entire ports and FreeBSD build system (see: world) rely > heavily on /bin/sh-isms and do not work with bash. bash being > compiled statically will not solve these problems. If this is accurate, it should be reported to the bash maintainers as a bug. Bash claims complete Posix compatibility (plus extensions). In any event, it is irrelevant to the OP's point. > 2) Changing the root users' shell is not recommended. There are > a lot of reasons for this, but as mentioned, the main one is > single-user scenarios (where /usr hasn't been mounted yet, thus > /usr/local/bin/bash is not available -- and if it's installed as > /bin/bash, the libraries /bin/bash link to are not available). This, of course, being the whole point of the OP's suggestion to link port shells statically. > 3) You can build bash statically; make WITH_STATIC_BASH=true. I do > not know the true reason why the port is not built statically by > default, but I can give you a damn good reason why it shouldn't be: > complete and total wasted memory. > > Take into consideration environments where there are hundreds (or at > my place of work, thousands) of users logged into a machine at once. > Many of those are going to have /usr/local/bin/bash as their shell. > A statically-linked version of bash would waste significant amounts > of memory, while a dynamically-linked/shared version would ease that > pain. The same applies for any static vs. dynamic program. How so? Wouldn't a single in-memory instance of the bash text segment be shared among all bash processes, across all users? Granted, there is, in effect, *one* extra instance of the part of libc that gets linked into the static bash. A better reason is that security updates to shared libs often update only the .so files, expecting the binaries that use them to automatically pick up the new versions. Any static executable should be rebuilt any time there is a security update to a shared lib that it would be using were it linked dynamically. That said, perhaps it would be reasonable for shell ports to build both a dynamically-linked instance to be installed in /usr/local/bin, and a statically-linked instance to be installed in, say, /usr/local/static. Those who want to use bash as the root shell could copy it from there to /bin or /sbin. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 08:42:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0B0106567A for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:42:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from masoom.shaikh@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 406F68FC16 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:42:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from masoom.shaikh@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so1615702fgb.35 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:42:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=dAJ5SgwQyp5WrKVXTOgtqQOWCi6a5e+v0rmHitbveMg=; b=Ta5CPXuhTvu9VmNEnG18Ufq0jMWhOqcWa5+bwxW4KCzwY1g85CNOt11Nxy0aQzEeoA tQU/hvU5LZ13Ckx/PQRb3P3/BFQTn+XnSrPqR3tPTCCyrYBJYbev3yPuYjOtJyEKBBI3 hP62RxecRJDd2RSNopHBchkDAAiSXm/rGXhVU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=BndMvGmi8S25qzhfXo59kO4gc52mmkEHi8rho/QRjtLrb7c94vRH0GBn8UzjidZ9a6 tnyPTYygBTXrlktwcZJer6bGtFPHCfmQJuwHgPr3aBJ4nqT5+3pVkbq+bv9M9XV/yIx5 nrtydv4m+mFjGTtJ8+KxJYEv0i4jEE+vBt1eo= Received: by 10.181.61.7 with SMTP id o7mr704337bkk.85.1226824932615; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:42:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.231.15 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:42:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:42:12 +0000 From: "Masoom Shaikh" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: large binary, why not strip ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:42:14 -0000 most of the programs installed from ports have large binary size on disk stripping em all reduces their size dramatically I cannot see the reason for not stripping them by default ? do I miss anything ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 08:44:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E039B106564A for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:44:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (tunnel490.ipv6.xs4all.nl [IPv6:2001:888:10:1ea::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47C988FC14 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:44:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (BOFH@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAG8iSL4079136; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:44:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: (from bulk@localhost) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id mAG8iS0R079135; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:44:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:44:28 +0100 From: Ruben de Groot To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20081116084428.GA78951@ei.bzerk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Ruben de Groot , Polytropon , GESBBB , FreeBSD Users Questions References: <200811102235.46971.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <4ad871310811101530p7b2baa0fk7f7b5118e314c11d@mail.gmail.com> <4918CE42.3050504@ccstores.com> <20081111151302.GA86528@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081112080616.2e195af5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20081112141407.0be011ae@scorpio> <20081114192856.GD9882@kokopelli.hydra> <875511.50099.qm@web32106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20081114222026.16aa0add.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081114222026.16aa0add.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on ei.bzerk.org X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (ei.bzerk.org [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:44:32 +0100 (CET) Cc: FreeBSD Users Questions Subject: Re: root /etc/csh X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:44:48 -0000 On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 10:20:26PM +0100, Polytropon typed: > On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:49:35 -0800 (PST), GESBBB wrote: > > > By the way, this also works with Perl as you no doubt know. I > > cannot count how many times I have installed a Perl script and > > then had to modify the 'shebang' in order to get it to work in > > FBSD. I know that I could probably make some symbolic links or > > whatever; however, I feel that, that is the wrong way to get > > things to work properly. > > That's correct. Adding symlinks to structures controlled by the > package management system or the OS itself can lead into problems. Well, the link is created automatically by the port, so you should never have had to modify any 'shebang' # ls -l `which perl` lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 24 Nov 27 2007 /usr/bin/perl -> /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.8 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 08:56:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B0061065672 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:56:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E660D8FC12 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:56:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.185] (unknown [192.168.0.185]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AD654097 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:21:49 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081114163902.17qwm4xct4bkg4o0w@intranet.casasponti.net> References: <491D59D3.8080809@spansurf.com> <1226700024.22782.30.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081114223200.GA4293@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081114163902.17qwm4xct4bkg4o0w@intranet.casasponti.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:21:27 +1000 Message-Id: <1226812887.8307.16.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3 (2.12.3-5.fc8) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:56:49 -0000 On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 16:39 -0600, eculp@casasponti.net wrote: > Jerry McAllister escribió: > > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 08:00:23AM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > > > >> > >> On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 11:58 +0100, peter wrote: > >> > Dear sirs > >> > > >> > please can you help me i am totally confused i want to change from > >> > windows vista > >> > > >> > but i cannot understand which system to use > >> > > >> > i am not sure if freebsd will work with my hardware and software > >> > > >> > kind regards > >> > > >> > Peter > >> > >> Welcome to the free world Peter! > >> > >> FreeBSD is a very powerful and stable system, but that said it is also > >> very hands on - the opposite extreme of vista which is all hands off. > >> This means that you will have a very steep learning curve. > >> > >> This list is /very/ helpful, others may not be so friendly or helpful. > >> This is great for newbies who need some real help in getting to know > >> their system and fixing problems, but there are times when even this is > >> not enough if you don't have enough experience with the system. > >> > >> My advice is this: get used to the *nix (linux, unix and other > >> derivatives) systems and how they do things, and the best way to do this > >> is to use linux which is like a halfway house for windows users. The > >> software available for all systems is HUGE. And all this software will > >> usually run on both systems. The difference is linux will take care of a > >> lot of maintenance for you (like vista), but still allows you to get > >> your hands dirty hacking the system to your hearts content. > >> > >> This is not to deter you from using FreeBSD - linux is a tough system > >> when compared to windows, but FreeBSD is even tougher; bit like > >> comparing a tank to fort knox. But the ease of use and experience you'll > >> gain from using linux will be more forgiving than using FreeBSD. > > > > This is just wrong. I have always found FreeBSD to be easier > > to install and configure the way I want it that the Red Hat or Suse > > I often have to use for some servers at work. > > Amen to that. I've converted many Ubuntu users who had shot > themselves in the foot. They are now happy freeBSD users. YMMV > > ed > > > > You can learn them all if you want and use them all. > > But, don't be bullied in to believing that FreeBSD is any harder > > than the Lunix flavors out there. > > The reason for sending the OP to linux first is they will not be deterred by the driver and hardware issues. Linux IS easier in this way, and has a greater support for hardware that is used outside of a server environment. It also allows them to learn the *nix methodology and software. I think FreeBSD is great, but when you hit hardware issues - particularly new hardware - linux has the greater support for the new user. And there is no reason to hide heads in the sand, especially with new desktop hardware like multimedia (which is growing in popularity for the average user), support will come but it will take time. I have to use Fedora (of all systems) on some of my units because it is still more hands on and it supports my tv card and other multimedia hardware. Where I don't need this I use FreeBSD, and then I will eventually get around to perhaps writing drivers for the hardware I use. I appreciate your views, but I face these issues all the time and I wish all the time that I could use the stability of FreeBSD to run the multimedia systems I run. As a new user once myself at one stage I remember how frustrating it was to just get some stuff running I used regularly and how hard it was (and even then still not quite right) to get it doing what I needed. For a server and workstation its fantastic, but for some home uses it ran out of features, ergo linux backup. Plus learning linux taught me even more about the advantages and abilities of FreeBSD and how to make it work. > > ////jerry > > > >> > >> My suggestion would be to get used to the *nixes with Ubuntu or even > >> PCBSD (which is a FreeBSD variant for newer users), once you have gotten > >> used to that give yourself another steep learning curve and jump to the > >> final level of FreeBSD straight-up :) > >> > >> Keep in touch with this list and you'll get all your questions answered > >> no matter how ridiculous they may seem to the seasoned users here, and > >> the Ubuntu list is nearly as helpful from my observation (hence my > >> recommendation). > >> > >> Once you have the experience you'll definitely want FreeBSD for its > >> security, stability, and more. You can run a desktop, a server, or just > >> about whatever you want on it. The possibilties are endless with nearly > >> any *nix system, but the stability can only be found with BSD. > >> > >> Good luck with your endeavours and welcome, again > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 09:11:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FE29106568E for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:11:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D35D08FC12 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:11:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mAG9Axnj026389; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:11:07 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.7.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk mAG9Axnj026389 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1226826667; bh=1kU8szLxbrYVlK JVbv+NR0PBvdaHI6bkZbvOXG4IXDM=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version: To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type: Date:From:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Mes sage-ID:=20<491FE395.404@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20Sun,=2016= 20Nov=202008=2009:10:45=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman=20|Organization:=20Infracaninophile|User-Age nt:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.17=20(X11/20080929)|MIME-Version:=201.0|T o:=20Masoom=20Shaikh=20|CC:=20freebsd-ques tions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20large=20binary,=20why=20not=20st rip=20?|References:=20|In-Reply-To:=20|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content-Type: =20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D "application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig 4740C458B78A4D2F00BD7315"; b=jvgiL/HJiutO1ZIS0a6h4kGg+jGnX8Jnmqo1nY 2fQVjuYAjJfC4vc6I7T8Zi6edshBwrihbhjI1cKJK7VIu9w7yAAhnKFq5UftZDSIUZg jQCiao4/2NQ9sn36F5lXIR69ZbJ181BiRyiN4lC/2A026S8tSjlGSneq9L+4kqQHwM= Message-ID: <491FE395.404@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:10:45 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080929) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Masoom Shaikh References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig4740C458B78A4D2F00BD7315" X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:11:07 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.1/8636/Sat Nov 15 05:05:47 2008 on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,LONGWORDS,NO_RELAYS autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: large binary, why not strip ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:11:15 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig4740C458B78A4D2F00BD7315 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Masoom Shaikh wrote: > most of the programs installed from ports have large binary size on dis= k >=20 > stripping em all reduces their size dramatically >=20 > I cannot see the reason for not stripping them by default ? >=20 > do I miss anything ? Yes. Binaries installed from the ports system /are/ already stripped by default. The official position is given here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/install= =2Ehtml#INSTALL-STRIP In practice it seems there are some exceptions -- this is what I found=20 in /usr/local/bin on my machine (and pretty much everything in=20 /usr/local/bin was installed from ports): happy-idiot-talk:/usr/local/bin:% file * | grep ', not stripped' | cut -f= 1 -d: a2p adnsheloex adnsresfilter cancel cupstestdsc cupstestppd derb dkim-stats dkim-testkey dkim-testssp dumpreg encode_keychange fixnt genbrk gencnval genctd genrb gocr lp lpoptions lppasswd lpq lpr lprm lpstat makeconv nmap omshell openssl pdfimage php php-cgi pkgdata restorefont restorepalette restoretextmode snmpbulkget snmpdelta snmpdf snmpnetstat snmptable snmpusm snmpvacm sqlite3 swig swig1.3 tclsh8.4 uconv wish8.4 workmanir Arguably the fact that these programs aren't stripped is a bug that should be reported to the port maintainers. As far as I know, there is no circumstance where a binary has to be left unstripped in order to operate correctly, other than when it is required to run it under gdb(1). Hmmm.... that's something the ports build system should=20 probably check on and complain about. On the other hand, compare that to the number of binaries that are stripped: happy-idiot-talk:/usr/local/bin:% file * | grep ', stripped' | wc -l=20 1206 Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig4740C458B78A4D2F00BD7315 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkkf46MACgkQ8Mjk52CukIyZqQCfT8MSrTYSO1VATuHJdYV57GTS mZ0An08btqsNttTa4NPbCpKcDc49hbgp =bP9Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig4740C458B78A4D2F00BD7315-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 10:08:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09381065689 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:08:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrisa@uvic.ca) Received: from castle.comp.uvic.ca (castle.comp.uvic.ca [142.104.5.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A37F28FC1B for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:08:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrisa@uvic.ca) Received: from wm3.uvic.ca (camel.comp.uvic.ca [142.104.148.215]) by castle.comp.uvic.ca (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAG9qScU8536172; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 01:52:28 -0800 Received: from 142.104.193.193 (proxying for 24.68.249.148) (SquirrelMail authenticated user chrisa) by wm3.uvic.ca with HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 01:52:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <63017.142.104.193.193.1226829148.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 01:52:28 -0800 (PST) From: chrisa@uvic.ca To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-UVic-Virus-Scanned: OK - Passed virus scan by Sophos (sophie) on castle X-UVic-Spam-Scan: castle.comp.uvic.ca Not_scanned_NOT_SA_HOST X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 142.104.5.29 Subject: Could not lock the file "/var/tmp/gconf-test-locking-file-blah" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:08:59 -0000 Hello, I've installed FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE #0 on an Acer Aspire 5100 laptop, and Gnome errors out when I try to start it. The kernel was compiled with no ehci support in order to get the laptop to not freeze on shutdown after syncing the disks, but there are no other major changes. I've installed gnome and all other packages from packages-7-stable/Lastest on the website, and it gives me the error from the subject line, 'Could not lock the file "/var/tmp/gconf-test-locking-file-blah"'. It says that it's an NFS locking error, but I'm not using NFS. Do you think that the packages from 7-stable are simply not compatible with 7.0-RELEASE (kde works fine), or is something else going on? My dmesg follows: Copyright (c) 1992-2008 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE #0: Sat Nov 15 00:34:06 PST 2008 root@loki.gv.shawcable.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/NOEHCI Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: AMD Turion(tm) 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-50 (1596.01-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x40f82 Stepping = 2 Features=0x178bfbff Features2=0x2001 AMD Features=0xea500800 AMD Features2=0x1f Cores per package: 2 usable memory = 924700672 (881 MB) avail memory = 890621952 (849 MB) ACPI APIC Table: FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 MADT: Forcing active-low polarity and level trigger for SCI ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard kbd1 at kbdmux0 ath_hal: 0.9.20.3 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413) hptrr: HPT RocketRAID controller driver v1.1 (Nov 15 2008 00:33:42) acpi0: on motherboard acpi0: [ITHREAD] acpi0: Power Button (fixed) acpi0: reservation of 0, 1000 (3) failed Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 acpi_timer0: <32-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x8008-0x800b on acpi0 acpi_ec0: port 0x62,0x66 on acpi0 cpu0: on acpi0 powernow0: on cpu0 cpu1: on acpi0 powernow1: on cpu1 acpi_lid0: on acpi0 acpi_button0: on acpi0 acpi_button1: on acpi0 pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 vgapci0: port 0x9000-0x90ff mem 0xc8000000-0xcfffffff,0xc0100000-0xc010ffff irq 17 at device 5.0 on pci1 pcib2: at device 4.0 on pci0 pci2: on pcib2 pcib3: at device 5.0 on pci0 pci4: on pcib3 ohci0: mem 0xc0004000-0xc0004fff irq 19 at device 19.0 on pci0 ohci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] ohci0: [ITHREAD] usb0: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support usb0: on ohci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: on usb0 uhub0: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered ohci1: mem 0xc0005000-0xc0005fff irq 19 at device 19.1 on pci0 ohci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] ohci1: [ITHREAD] usb1: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support usb1: on ohci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: on usb1 uhub1: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered pci0: at device 19.2 (no driver attached) pci0: at device 20.0 (no driver attached) atapci0: port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0x8410-0x841f irq 16 at device 20.1 on pci0 ata0: on atapci0 ata0: [ITHREAD] ata1: on atapci0 ata1: [ITHREAD] pcm0: mem 0xc0000000-0xc0003fff irq 16 at device 20.2 on pci0 pcm0: [ITHREAD] isab0: at device 20.3 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 pcib4: at device 20.4 on pci0 pci6: on pcib4 rl0: port 0xa000-0xa0ff mem 0xc0210000-0xc02100ff irq 21 at device 1.0 on pci6 miibus0: on rl0 rlphy0: PHY 0 on miibus0 rlphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto rl0: Ethernet address: 00:16:d4:14:c8:0f rl0: [ITHREAD] ath0: mem 0xc0200000-0xc020ffff irq 22 at device 2.0 on pci6 ath0: [ITHREAD] ath0: using obsoleted if_watchdog interface ath0: Ethernet address: 00:16:ce:7f:d8:05 ath0: mac 7.8 phy 4.5 radio 5.6 cbb0: mem 0xc0211000-0xc0211fff irq 20 at device 4.0 on pci6 cardbus0: on cbb0 pccard0: <16-bit PCCard bus> on cbb0 cbb0: [ITHREAD] pci6: at device 4.1 (no driver attached) pci6: at device 4.2 (no driver attached) pci6: at device 4.3 (no driver attached) pci6: at device 4.4 (no driver attached) acpi_tz0: on acpi0 atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] atkbd0: [ITHREAD] psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: [ITHREAD] psm0: model Synaptics Touchpad, device ID 0 battery0: on acpi0 acpi_acad0: on acpi0 orm0: at iomem 0xc0000-0xcefff,0xcf000-0xcffff on isa0 ppc0: cannot reserve I/O port range sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0: port may not be enabled sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0: port may not be enabled sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 8250 or not responding sio0: [FILTER] sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio1: port may not be enabled vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 ugen0: on uhub1 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec hptrr: no controller detected. ad0: 114473MB at ata0-master UDMA100 acd0: DVDR at ata0-slave UDMA33 pcm0: pcm0: SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a fuse4bsd: version 0.3.9-pre1, FUSE ABI 7.8 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 10:35:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F001F1065670 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:35:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABC728FC17 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:35:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1L1eyB-00087P-Oj for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:35:07 -0800 Message-ID: <20523992.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:35:07 -0800 (PST) From: "weinter.lim" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: limguowei@gmail.com Subject: Port Linux Driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:35:09 -0000 Hi I have posted I am installing FreeBSD 7.1 Beta 2 on my laptop model Acer Aspire 4530 1) Atheros AR5B91 is not detected Does anyone know how to get the drivers or patch it none0@pci0:0:0:0: class=0x050000 card=0x014a1025 chip=0x075410de rev=0xa2 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' class = memory subclass = RAM isab0@pci0:0:1:0: class=0x060100 card=0x014a1025 chip=0x075e10de rev=0xa2 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' class = bridge subclass = PCI-ISA none1@pci0:0:1:1: class=0x0c0500 card=0x014a1025 chip=0x075210de rev=0xa1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' class = serial bus subclass = SMBus none2@pci0:0:1:3: class=0x0b4000 card=0x014a1025 chip=0x075310de rev=0xa2 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' class = processor none3@pci0:0:1:4: class=0x050000 card=0x014a1025 chip=0x056810de rev=0xa1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' class = memory subclass = RAM ohci0@pci0:0:2:0: class=0x0c0310 card=0x014a1025 chip=0x077b10de rev=0xa1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' class = serial bus subclass = USB ehci0@pci0:0:2:1: class=0x0c0320 card=0x014a1025 chip=0x077c10de rev=0xa1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' class = serial bus subclass = USB ohci1@pci0:0:4:0: class=0x0c0310 card=0x014a1025 chip=0x077d10de rev=0xa1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' class = serial bus subclass = USB ehci1@pci0:0:4:1: class=0x0c0320 card=0x014a1025 chip=0x077e10de rev=0xa1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' class = serial bus subclass = USB pcm0@pci0:0:7:0: class=0x040300 card=0x014a1025 chip=0x077410de rev=0xa1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' class = multimedia pcib1@pci0:0:8:0: class=0x060401 card=0x014a1025 chip=0x075a10de rev=0xa1 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI atapci0@pci0:0:9:0: class=0x010601 card=0x014a1025 chip=0x0ad510de rev=0xa2 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' class = mass storage pcib2@pci0:0:11:0: class=0x060400 card=0x000010de chip=0x056910de rev=0xa1 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI pcib3@pci0:0:19:0: class=0x060400 card=0x000010de chip=0x077a10de rev=0xa1 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI pcib4@pci0:0:20:0: class=0x060400 card=0x000010de chip=0x077a10de rev=0xa1 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI pcib5@pci0:0:21:0: class=0x060400 card=0x000010de chip=0x077a10de rev=0xa1 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI hostb0@pci0:0:24:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x13001022 rev=0x40 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices (AMD)' device = '(Family 11h) Athlon 64/Opteron/Sempron HyperTransport Technology Configuration' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb1@pci0:0:24:1: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x13011022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices (AMD)' device = '(Family 11h) Athlon 64/Opteron/Sempron Address Map' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb2@pci0:0:24:2: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x13021022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices (AMD)' device = '(Family 11h) Athlon 64/Opteron/Sempron DRAM Controller' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb3@pci0:0:24:3: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x13031022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices (AMD)' device = '(Family 11h) Athlon 64/Opteron/Sempron Miscellaneous Control' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb4@pci0:0:24:4: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x13041022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices (AMD)' device = '(Family 11h) Athlon 64/Opteron/Sempron Link Control' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI vgapci0@pci0:2:0:0: class=0x030000 card=0x014a1025 chip=0x084410de rev=0xa2 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' class = display subclass = VGA bge0@pci0:8:0:0: class=0x020000 card=0x014a1025 chip=0x168414e4 rev=0x10 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Broadcom Corporation' class = network subclass = ethernet none4@pci0:11:0:0: class=0x028000 card=0x03031a32 chip=0x002a168c rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Atheros Communications Inc.' class = network I have found the Linux driver here http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath9k Anyone can advice me to port the driver over to BSD ? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Port-Linux-Driver-tp20523992p20523992.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 10:41:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 216CA106568F for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:41:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F20438FC16 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:41:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fmf81a00A0lTkoCA9mh4h6; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:41:04 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fmh31a0042P6wsM8Qmh39t; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:41:04 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=c_L9A21Py11DJUw956AA:9 a=zVYwxMwTxxNQFRFOG5YA:7 a=BqueFV88KIRNclOdX0ksQJRoAs0A:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6CAEB33C36; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:41:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:41:03 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: perryh@pluto.rain.com Message-ID: <20081116104103.GA98266@icarus.home.lan> References: <20081110203643.GH27646@obspm.fr> <200811102235.46971.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <4ad871310811101530p7b2baa0fk7f7b5118e314c11d@mail.gmail.com> <4918CE42.3050504@ccstores.com> <20081115061957.GA10998@ourbrains.org> <20081116023239.GA89267@icarus.home.lan> <20081116033624.GA13618@ourbrains.org> <20081116050107.GA91940@icarus.home.lan> <491fd833.zbV+im4fHqUJ5RRJ%perryh@pluto.rain.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <491fd833.zbV+im4fHqUJ5RRJ%perryh@pluto.rain.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: root /etc/csh X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:41:05 -0000 On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:22:11AM -0800, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > > 3) You can build bash statically; make WITH_STATIC_BASH=true. I do > > not know the true reason why the port is not built statically by > > default, but I can give you a damn good reason why it shouldn't be: > > complete and total wasted memory. > > > > Take into consideration environments where there are hundreds (or at > > my place of work, thousands) of users logged into a machine at once. > > Many of those are going to have /usr/local/bin/bash as their shell. > > A statically-linked version of bash would waste significant amounts > > of memory, while a dynamically-linked/shared version would ease that > > pain. The same applies for any static vs. dynamic program. > > How so? Wouldn't a single in-memory instance of the bash text > segment be shared among all bash processes, across all users? http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2007-August/thread.html#36647 > A better reason is that security updates to shared libs often > update only the .so files, expecting the binaries that use them > to automatically pick up the new versions. Any static executable > should be rebuilt any time there is a security update to a shared > lib that it would be using were it linked dynamically. Yup, that's another reason. > That said, perhaps it would be reasonable for shell ports to > build both a dynamically-linked instance to be installed in > /usr/local/bin, and a statically-linked instance to be installed > in, say, /usr/local/static. Those who want to use bash as the > root shell could copy it from there to /bin or /sbin. This part of the thread should be moved to freebsd-ports, or obrien@ pulled in here. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 10:55:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45BC3106567E for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:55:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2909C8FC16 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:55:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fmpN1a0040S2fkCAAmvC8p; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:55:12 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fmvB1a00P2P6wsM8VmvCs1; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:55:12 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=VwQbUJbxAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=haZ9NQvX1OMqAnJohlQA:9 a=z6W2ysOs0VOmvW2NPXjx7A7rciAA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C50B433C36; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:55:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:55:11 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: "weinter.lim" Message-ID: <20081116105511.GA98407@icarus.home.lan> References: <20523992.post@talk.nabble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20523992.post@talk.nabble.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Port Linux Driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:55:13 -0000 On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 02:35:07AM -0800, weinter.lim wrote: > Hi > I have posted > > I am installing FreeBSD 7.1 Beta 2 on my laptop model Acer Aspire 4530 > 1) Atheros AR5B91 is not detected > Does anyone know how to get the drivers or patch it > > none4@pci0:11:0:0: class=0x028000 card=0x03031a32 chip=0x002a168c rev=0x01 > hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Atheros Communications Inc.' > class = network > > I have found the Linux driver here > http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath9k > Anyone can advice me to port the driver over to BSD ? You posted something similar to -hardware about your Broadcom NIC and got responses, so I'm not sure why you decided to go with -questions this time around. :-) Linux drivers are not "ported" to FreeBSD. The driver and ABI semantics are *way* too difference to port. A new driver must be created. The Linux driver can be looked at to determine importance of register bits or other things, but this requires the Linux driver to have large amounts of commenting, many of which do not. Thirdly, your Atheros chip is an "AR5B91", it is an "AR9281". I'm not sure where 5B91 came from. Other things to note: 1) There is ath(4) on FreeBSD, but it is for different versions of Atheros chips; it may not be possible to extend ath(4) to support the 9281. 2) Atheros chips have a history of being very different from one another, as can be confirmed with ale(4) vs. age(4) (ex: the L1E NIC completely different from the L1 NIC). I've added an entry to my below Wiki page stating that we do not have support for these Atheros chips. http://wiki.freebsd.org/JeremyChadwick/Commonly_reported_issues -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 11:55:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB46D106567D for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:55:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC1568FC1A for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:55:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAGBtV8m024760; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:55:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAGBtTkH024757; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:55:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:55:29 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: "weinter.lim" In-Reply-To: <20523992.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20081116125457.W24752@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20523992.post@talk.nabble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Port Linux Driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:55:38 -0000 > I have posted > > I am installing FreeBSD 7.1 Beta 2 on my laptop model Acer Aspire 4530 > 1) Atheros AR5B91 is not detected > Does anyone know how to get the drivers or patch it try ndisgen and windoze driver. it may work. actually it work very often From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 11:56:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0A461065674 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:56:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA71C8FC1C for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:56:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAGBuWs3024773; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:56:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAGBuVOB024770; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:56:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:56:31 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Masoom Shaikh In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081116125622.E24752@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: large binary, why not strip ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:56:37 -0000 > most of the programs installed from ports have large binary size on disk > > stripping em all reduces their size dramatically > > I cannot see the reason for not stripping them by default ? me too > > do I miss anything ? no. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 12:00:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE0CF106568A; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:00:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2548A8FC08; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:00:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAGC0ZDc024799; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:00:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAGC0YN0024796; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:00:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:00:34 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jerry McAllister In-Reply-To: <20081116020345.GB15841@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Message-ID: <20081116125716.E24752@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <491D59D3.8080809@spansurf.com> <20081114203914.W14337@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <491DDD56.1040001@ccstores.com> <20081114225626.GA56663@icarus.home.lan> <20081115011836.N16077@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116020345.GB15841@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Jeremy Chadwick , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:00:41 -0000 >> and (sometimes) from linux to FreeBSD. >> >> But not from Windows. > > Come on, lose your thickness and let the guy be free from Vista. I DO NOT say "don't free from microsoft"! you may change Toyota to Nissan, and just sit down and drive. But you can't change windoze to unix without learning unix from scratch. Unix is completely different way of computing. 1000 times better IMHO, but you HAVE to learn it from scratch. All this windoze-like "desktop environments" like KDE, Gnome etc. is just crap and nonsense. Use unix as unix. it's great. but learn it. It is NOT an alternative to windoze! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 12:01:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F18A6106567C for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:01:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robin@reportlab.com) Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.146]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9AFD8FC17 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:01:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robin@reportlab.com) Received: from [87.114.67.131] (helo=[192.168.0.3]) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1L1fgr-0001AM-T7 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:21:18 +0000 Message-ID: <4920022D.4020102@jessikat.plus.net> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:21:17 +0000 From: Robin Becker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Plusnet-Relay: 127959c03bd5a2cb36834a38d089c2c2 Subject: gcc-4.3.3 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:01:32 -0000 I'm trying to run some benchmarks for a modified version of Python 2.5.2, unfortunately the modification requires a newer version of GCC so I have installed gcc version 4.3.3 from ports. When I try to run my make command I'm seeing this error *** WARNING: renaming "_codecs_hk" since importing it failed: Shared object "libgcc_s.so.1" I see that the gcc 4.3.3 libs were installed in /usr/local/lib/gcc-4.3.3 and I can get things to work by setting up the appropriate -L option and LD_LIBRARY_PATH. Is there some way to make these libraries available without this? -- Robin Becker From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 12:01:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65AC2106568B; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:01:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C5898FC20; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:01:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAGC1RO6024806; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:01:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAGC1R6f024803; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:01:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:01:27 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jerry McAllister In-Reply-To: <20081116020054.GA15841@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Message-ID: <20081116130051.Y24752@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <491D59D3.8080809@spansurf.com> <20081114203914.W14337@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <491DDD56.1040001@ccstores.com> <20081114225626.GA56663@icarus.home.lan> <20081114233640.GA7755@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081115012133.N16077@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116020054.GA15841@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Jeremy Chadwick , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:01:33 -0000 >> no - because it's not alternative for Windows Vista. > > He is trying to get out of Vista, not trying to be Vista with another name. > well this is a big difference. XP is few years less of f...ng up software :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 12:03:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 825D71065670 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:03:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yonyossef.lists@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 401FC8FC17 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:03:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yonyossef.lists@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so863033ywe.13 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:03:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=qx50QlJ6LGg2QVH/Ohen3IrzRCXo2qOHZ71sJoQSkWA=; b=fBvxtEqjUouYHPL5j0KGo4mvRr6y+dnV2B0cV4azjpzDU9g9mTAgW2nYy7ipaa6QVQ PgX3wtb4Gb9KXWQUEXxO5anQVZaERIY3iYMEfiUSzuEq5A3JWCcx5X1PLfi0TywE0Amd wH6VTVIDZGqsmSi0nXIj+3A2IdXLMWDM5B8Vk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=mIZU6DR1VoPu9iq2oEFpvQep6ynUDk/ur/cx6Ckh4LSlx5hMtlLLAPrUeO3XfGQUza drCp1yFsFRIdqeX8jZHaLwuImoyAlTg0sCHQhsWs7SB24ssnnQwL90bgR4TezK2tBsjT Ukn9HyCbEg2jAgcyUK5liDpj0S/5aPsyYobdk= Received: by 10.151.108.13 with SMTP id k13mr5705839ybm.160.1226837034650; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:03:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.124.5 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:03:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20def4870811160403i67f9e8d6i1a52e93d1b68c5ad@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:03:54 +0200 From: "Yony Yossef" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-net@freebsd.org, liranl@mellanox.co.il, "Yehonatan Yossef" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: HW VLAN Filtering on FreeBSD 6.3 + 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:03:55 -0000 Hi All, I would like to enable my NIC HW VLAN filtering, is there any way for my driver to access the OS vlan table? (something like vlan_group_get_device on linux) I understood from previous investigation that on FreeBSD 6.3 and 7.0 there's no ioctl informing the driver of vlan addition/removal. Is that correct? Thanks, Yony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 12:13:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C37B4106564A for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:13:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A86E18FC14 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:13:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id foBU1a0060cQ2SLA5oDmJU; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:13:46 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id foDl1a0022P6wsM8WoDlBR; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:13:46 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6DhFfMlRuDsA:10 a=26nLF3QrrG0A:10 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=NOCtGtdb3hBXjMRsbZ8A:9 a=7Kk88k79HDH06MiNl0kA:7 a=8qCjTKgiMswSVmAji9Pt8MgW7zQA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 309E433C36; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:13:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:13:45 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Yony Yossef Message-ID: <20081116121345.GA952@icarus.home.lan> References: <20def4870811160403i67f9e8d6i1a52e93d1b68c5ad@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20def4870811160403i67f9e8d6i1a52e93d1b68c5ad@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, Yehonatan Yossef , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, liranl@mellanox.co.il Subject: Re: HW VLAN Filtering on FreeBSD 6.3 + 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:13:46 -0000 On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 02:03:54PM +0200, Yony Yossef wrote: > I would like to enable my NIC HW VLAN filtering, is there any way for my > driver to access the OS vlan table? (something like vlan_group_get_device on > linux) > > I understood from previous investigation that on FreeBSD 6.3 and 7.0 there's > no ioctl informing the driver of vlan addition/removal. Is that correct? Man pages to check out: vlan(4) and ifconfig(8). I'm pretty sure the vlan tagging feature is per-driver. Also, the vlan(4) list of supported drivers is out of date (for example, em(4) is missing), so be sure to check the man page of your NIC driver. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 12:17:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F1A1065670; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:17:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 764338FC14; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:17:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-5-97.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.5.97]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0B98505CA; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:17:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mAGCHBhi001529; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:17:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:17:10 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Jerry McAllister Message-Id: <20081116131710.70cdbffa.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20081116020345.GB15841@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <491D59D3.8080809@spansurf.com> <20081114203914.W14337@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <491DDD56.1040001@ccstores.com> <20081114225626.GA56663@icarus.home.lan> <20081115011836.N16077@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116020345.GB15841@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Jeremy Chadwick , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:17:16 -0000 Excuse me for entering this discussin. You're completely right in what you're saying, and I'ld like to add this: On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:03:45 -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: > So, let him learn a meaningful server environment. FreeBSD isn't a "server only OS", it's versatile and can be used as an excellent desktop solution. That's what I'm doing since 4.0 - using it exclusively (!) on the desktop. And it's completely possible without the feeling to have something missing. I'm not joking at you, that's my real individual experience. I changed from Linux to FreeBSD, so I had good basic knowledge, and I never had used any "Windows" before, so I wasn't "spoiled" by MICROS~1's strange concepts of how to do certain things, so I cannot speak for the vast majority of computer users. :-) To summarize: Unlike the different "Windows" things, you can use FreeBSD as a desktop, as a server, and for any "mixed form" of these appliances without any problems. Of course, you'll have to learn *how* to do this, but it's not that you can't learn or do it. FreeBSD will open the door for you to other interesting fields of information technology. The things you've learned using FreeBSD will help you using OpenBSD or NetBSD, or Solaris and oder UNIXes. If you've understood the generic principles, the whole world is open to you. FreeBSD always meant fun to me using the computer. I hope you'll feel so, too. "In a world without walls and fences - who needs windows and gates?!" :-) Don't be frightened, try out FreeBSD. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 12:17:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E58310656A4 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:17:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robin@reportlab.com) Received: from pih-relay05.plus.net (pih-relay05.plus.net [212.159.14.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B26E8FC08 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:17:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robin@reportlab.com) Received: from [87.114.67.131] (helo=[192.168.0.3]) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1L1gZJ-0001wT-8V for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:17:34 +0000 Message-ID: <49200F5C.5070306@jessikat.plus.net> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:17:32 +0000 From: Robin Becker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4920022D.4020102@jessikat.plus.net> In-Reply-To: <4920022D.4020102@jessikat.plus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Plusnet-Relay: b1ca030c13a33ae37b7a2e834809865a Subject: Re: gcc-4.3.3 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:17:36 -0000 Robin Becker wrote: > I'm trying to run some benchmarks for a modified version of Python > 2.5.2, unfortunately the modification requires a newer version of GCC so > I have installed gcc version 4.3.3 from ports. > > When I try to run my make command I'm seeing this error > > *** WARNING: renaming "_codecs_hk" since importing it failed: Shared > object "libgcc_s.so.1" > > I see that the gcc 4.3.3 libs were installed in /usr/local/lib/gcc-4.3.3 > and I can get things to work by setting up the appropriate -L option and > LD_LIBRARY_PATH. > > Is there some way to make these libraries available without this? I think this is just a question of adding /usr/local/lib/gcc-4.3.3 to the ldconfig hints. At least when I ran ldconfig -R /usr/local/lib/gcc-4.3.3 things improved. -- Robin Becker From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 12:24:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A24441065677 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:24:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F8928FC12 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:24:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fnzD1a0060mv7h052oQFG8; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:24:15 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id foQa1a00E2P6wsM3XoQbZi; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:24:35 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=_tWED7TA-o6q-HqxPzUA:9 a=oR7wJSAwt3TNvBhbjd4A:7 a=pfr847QeXP1uGmqy9E-oPUOSCdgA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8245333C36; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:24:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:24:34 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Robin Becker Message-ID: <20081116122434.GA1271@icarus.home.lan> References: <4920022D.4020102@jessikat.plus.net> <49200F5C.5070306@jessikat.plus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <49200F5C.5070306@jessikat.plus.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gcc-4.3.3 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:24:36 -0000 On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:17:32PM +0000, Robin Becker wrote: > Robin Becker wrote: >> I'm trying to run some benchmarks for a modified version of Python >> 2.5.2, unfortunately the modification requires a newer version of GCC >> so I have installed gcc version 4.3.3 from ports. >> >> When I try to run my make command I'm seeing this error >> >> *** WARNING: renaming "_codecs_hk" since importing it failed: Shared >> object "libgcc_s.so.1" >> >> I see that the gcc 4.3.3 libs were installed in >> /usr/local/lib/gcc-4.3.3 and I can get things to work by setting up the >> appropriate -L option and LD_LIBRARY_PATH. >> >> Is there some way to make these libraries available without this? > I think this is just a question of adding /usr/local/lib/gcc-4.3.3 to > the ldconfig hints. At least when I ran > > ldconfig -R /usr/local/lib/gcc-4.3.3 > > things improved. The ports framework has support to do this automatically, so the question is why it didn't happen. Could you file a PR on the matter? -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 12:27:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2F341065694 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:27:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yonyossef.lists@gmail.com) Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 747E68FC13 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:27:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yonyossef.lists@gmail.com) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j71so2036603rne.12 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:27:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=DHsNYSSW94+rvGVu0aozJMsfu3qLmukGIRMd8DfqmdY=; b=Id964GyagyoYkdS7y7mmK8MnHn5hrvne3ujesH2kRxJnjVFMtkFOWtlKZ/D8TMVr5N NJfHQ0FTVSrOr4O4Zr4TaA8GppgPy9RYef1x5IAmCpUOfypvnRuHRdvdgC4G6f6diSEd DeR9FfQG7S++yEB0F2hBukIkFcqsqSnxkXPiU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=GIetj1LPGHCA6V3gZ2ctnu8fhZXl9u2xkBhQwYKLEOy8BQfb5r+cpEpwuypzgFvI45 oFUZuGTWuZnmJigKoNmfk5wf7tZahDUwQCii3IesQ0jh+jFp2xvqezjkq++HLOJ/1b/r QDB+wPBfPjcJAH3dDGdjDKO9TfHk9I4l8mdHE= Received: by 10.150.202.8 with SMTP id z8mr5765277ybf.37.1226838456443; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:27:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.124.5 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:27:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20def4870811160427k1a718a8es9287220c03f71f26@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:27:36 +0200 From: "Yony Yossef" To: "Jeremy Chadwick" In-Reply-To: <20081116121345.GA952@icarus.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20def4870811160403i67f9e8d6i1a52e93d1b68c5ad@mail.gmail.com> <20081116121345.GA952@icarus.home.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, Yehonatan Yossef , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, liranl@mellanox.co.il Subject: Re: HW VLAN Filtering on FreeBSD 6.3 + 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:27:38 -0000 > > > I would like to enable my NIC HW VLAN filtering, is there any way for > my > > driver to access the OS vlan table? (something like vlan_group_get_device > on > > linux) > > > > I understood from previous investigation that on FreeBSD 6.3 and 7.0 > there's > > no ioctl informing the driver of vlan addition/removal. Is that correct? > > Man pages to check out: vlan(4) and ifconfig(8). I'm pretty sure the > vlan tagging feature is per-driver. > Also, the vlan(4) list of supported drivers is out of date (for example, > em(4) is missing), so be sure to check the man page of your NIC driver. Sorry, i explained myself pretty bad. I'm working on an Ethernet driver for FreeBSD. The VLAN hw tagging is already working properly, but my nic is capable of holding a vlan table on hw, filtering vlans on it's own. I need to find a way to update that hw table. one way is to recieve a ioctl from the OS of it's vlan table event (add, remove). I can't find such ioctl. second is to have a direct access from the driver to the OS vlan table. I'm not familiar with the interface or if it's possible at all, and that is my actual question. Thanks Yony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 12:35:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C60E01065675 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:35:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7011E8FC1A for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:35:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fnvS1a00417dt5G59obqGv; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:35:50 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fobp1a0012P6wsM3ZobpX6; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:35:50 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6DhFfMlRuDsA:10 a=26nLF3QrrG0A:10 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=am93mdXYGLi2k7DCcPoA:9 a=yMPGIt8WYO6JulCFK-UA:7 a=txcwMbo6XZkXGGgq-d_k3OLNy04A:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DFC9633C36; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:35:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:35:48 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Yony Yossef Message-ID: <20081116123548.GA1531@icarus.home.lan> References: <20def4870811160403i67f9e8d6i1a52e93d1b68c5ad@mail.gmail.com> <20081116121345.GA952@icarus.home.lan> <20def4870811160427k1a718a8es9287220c03f71f26@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20def4870811160427k1a718a8es9287220c03f71f26@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, Yehonatan Yossef , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, liranl@mellanox.co.il Subject: Re: HW VLAN Filtering on FreeBSD 6.3 + 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:35:51 -0000 On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 02:27:36PM +0200, Yony Yossef wrote: > > > I would like to enable my NIC HW VLAN filtering, is there any way for > > my > > > driver to access the OS vlan table? (something like vlan_group_get_device > > on > > > linux) > > > > > > I understood from previous investigation that on FreeBSD 6.3 and 7.0 > > there's > > > no ioctl informing the driver of vlan addition/removal. Is that correct? > > > > Man pages to check out: vlan(4) and ifconfig(8). I'm pretty sure the > > vlan tagging feature is per-driver. > > > Also, the vlan(4) list of supported drivers is out of date (for example, > > em(4) is missing), so be sure to check the man page of your NIC driver. > > Sorry, i explained myself pretty bad. I'm working on an Ethernet driver for > FreeBSD. > The VLAN hw tagging is already working properly, but my nic is capable of > holding a vlan table on hw, filtering vlans on it's own. > I need to find a way to update that hw table. > one way is to recieve a ioctl from the OS of it's vlan table event (add, > remove). I can't find such ioctl. > second is to have a direct access from the driver to the OS vlan table. I'm > not familiar with the interface or if it's possible at all, and that is my > actual question. This question should go to freebsd-hackers. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 12:48:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A54561065679 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:48:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [220.233.188.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C41938FC08 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:48:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAGCmdAo064988; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:48:39 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:48:39 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: "Jin Guojun[VFF]" In-Reply-To: <491F6466.40309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081116224655.J70117@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <491F413A.4020108@gmail.com> <20081115223556.GA45503@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <491F54A0.9090702@gmail.com> <491F6466.40309@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: some ipfw filter does not function under Release 6.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:48:43 -0000 On Sat, 15 Nov 2008, Jin Guojun[VFF] wrote: > I think this is a bug in ipfw because after change the rule order, the > problem persists: > 00566 26 3090 deny ip from 221.192.199.36 to any > 65330 2018 983473 allow tcp from any to any established > 65535 0 0 deny ip from any to any Are you saying that the packets shown below from 221.192.199.36 arrived =after= you added rule 566, which denys all traffic from that address? Are you showing us your entire ruleset; it is just those three rules? Is the tcpdump shown running on the same box as ipfw, or another box? If another box, how is it connected through the firewall, to the net? Which machine performs NAT for your network? None of this is obvious. Please show output of 'ifconfig' and 'netstat -rn' on the ipfw box? > 15:47:21.238720 IP 221.192.199.36.4469 > 192.168.2.14.80: S > 3191960249:3191960249(0) win 65535 > 15:47:21.238768 IP 192.168.2.14.80 > 221.192.199.36.4469: S > 2102254306:2102254306(0) ack 3191960250 win 65535 1460,sackOK,eol> > 15:47:21.483754 IP 221.192.199.36.4469 > 192.168.2.14.80: . ack 1 win > 65535 > 15:47:21.499489 IP 221.192.199.36.4469 > 192.168.2.14.80: P 1:206(205) > ack 1 win 65535 > 15:47:24.238570 IP 192.168.2.14.80 > 221.192.199.36.4469: S > 2102254306:2102254306(0) ack 3191960250 win 65535 1460,sackOK,eol> > 15:47:24.482113 IP 221.192.199.36.4469 > 192.168.2.14.80: . ack 1 win > 65535 > 15:47:24.498613 IP 221.192.199.36.4469 > 192.168.2.14.80: P 1:206(205) > ack 1 win 65535 > 15:47:30.238574 IP 192.168.2.14.80 > 221.192.199.36.4469: S > 2102254306:2102254306(0) ack 3191960250 win 65535 1460,sackOK,eol> > 15:47:30.482746 IP 221.192.199.36.4469 > 192.168.2.14.80: . ack 1 win > 65535 > 15:47:30.513193 IP 221.192.199.36.4469 > 192.168.2.14.80: P 1:206(205) > ack 1 win 65535 > 15:47:42.238577 IP 192.168.2.14.80 > 221.192.199.36.4469: S > 2102254306:2102254306(0) ack 3191960250 win 65535 1460,sackOK,eol> > 15:47:42.435040 IP 221.192.199.36.4469 > 192.168.2.14.80: P 1:206(205) > ack 1 win 65535 > 15:47:42.466055 IP 221.192.199.36.4469 > 192.168.2.14.80: . ack 1 win > 65535 > 15:47:54.466599 IP 221.192.199.36.4469 > 192.168.2.14.80: P 1:206(205) > ack 1 win 65535 > 15:47:59.703272 IP 221.192.199.36.4469 > 192.168.2.14.80: R 206:206(0) > ack 1 win 0 > > Jin Guojun[VFF] wrote: > > But the rule 330 should only allow established TCP pass through. In > other words, Sync should NOT > allowed by rule 330, or I missed something for this rule? > Erik Trulsson wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 01:38:02PM -0800, Jin Guojun[VFF] wrote: > > > Below is set of ipfw rules, but it seems that not all rules are > functioning properly. > From rule 361 to first two of rule 567 are not blocking any traffic and > not measuring any traffic. > Is this bacuse tcp rule )330) can overwrite the ip rule? or this is a > known issue in R-6.3? Misattribution here: Erik Trulsson wrote this next paragraph. Please fix your quoting to show clearly who said what .. it will help us all. Can you see why we try to discourage top-posting in the freebsd lists? > In general the first matching rule is the one that is applied. > In your case this means that if a packet matches your rule 330 then > it will be allowed through, and the rules further down the list will > not be considered. Erik is right; you'll have to deny unwanted traffic before allowing the established traffic. 'established' here really means 'not setup', ie not SYN-only packets; ipfw doesn't track TCP sessions, the stack does. People can send bogus established packets, and though they won't have a socket to connect to, they're still inbound traffic you have to receive to even block, which can consume bandwidth and perhaps money. Sometimes these are a result of someone sending TCP setup packets to some other host, with the source address forged as yours .. you get the SYN+ACK packets, which do pass as established through ipfw. It's possible that the host you see as attacking you may itself be victim .. Yes, did I read your PR .. no sign of that host here so far, so it might just be scanning networks a bit closer to home: http://www.iptools.com/dnstools.php?tool=ipwhois&user_data=221.192.199.36&submit=Go > The second and third rules in rule set 567 seem working well. > > -Jin > > ---------------- ipfw rule sets --------- > 00330 3108378 2700826874 allow tcp from any to any established > 00361 0 0 deny ip from 203.83.248.93 to any > 00361 0 0 deny ip from 72.30.142.215 to any > 00567 0 0 deny ip from 193.200.241.171 to any > 00567 0 0 deny ip from 221.192.199.36 to any > 00567 3 180 deny ip from 118.153.18.186 to any > 00567 3 180 deny ip from 203.78.214.180 to any > 00567 0 0 deny ip from 118.219.232.123 to any > 65500 220 20043 allow udp from any to any > 65535 2 120 deny ip from any to any Not much use allowing established tcp traffic if you never allow any setup of tcp sessions? This seems like a partial set of rules .. > ------ traffic captured by tcpdump behind ipfw machine ----- > > 04:12:20.940095 IP 221.192.199.36.12200 > 192.168.2.14.80: S > 200229998:200229998(0) win 8192 > 04:12:21.204430 IP 221.192.199.36.12200 > 192.168.2.14.80: R > 200229999:200229999(0) win 0 > 04:31:16.262402 IP 221.192.199.36.12200 > 192.168.2.14.80: S > 200233658:200233658(0) win 8192 > 04:31:16.541868 IP 221.192.199.36.12200 > 192.168.2.14.80: R > 200233659:200233659(0) win 0 > 05:27:04.031434 IP 221.192.199.36.12200 > 192.168.2.14.80: S > 200244634:200244634(0) win 8192 > 05:27:04.303262 IP 221.192.199.36.12200 > 192.168.2.14.80: R > 200244635:200244635(0) win 0 > 05:28:18.099443 IP 221.192.199.36.3362 > 192.168.2.14.80: S > 2422872529:2422872529(0) win 65535 > 05:28:18.352083 IP 221.192.199.36.3362 > 192.168.2.14.80: . ack > 3968474717 win 65535 > 05:28:18.367745 IP 221.192.199.36.3362 > 192.168.2.14.80: P 0:205(205) > ack 1 win 65535 > 05:28:18.621538 IP 221.192.199.36.3362 > 192.168.2.14.80: R 205:205(0) > ack 473 win 0 In this (earlier) case, 192.168.2.14 was receiving but apparently not responding to those packets .. whereas above (later) it was responding? More details of your setup might help to dispel these mysteries. cheers, Ian PS removing ipfw@ from ccs .. that's more about ipfw development. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 13:14:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A1EE106567A for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:14:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) Received: from anthesphoria.net (anthesphoria.net [200.46.204.219]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5CCE8FC08 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:14:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) X-Bogosity: No, tests=bogofilter X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.4.1 anthesphoria.net mAGDDYvt096896 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=anthesphoria.net; s=phero; t=1226841221; bh=UrFb5vXxHawyzN4E/K+9115Ao1V1j/7RQc1kkqOFO 5s=; l=1740; h=X-Bogosity:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:X-Face:X-Operating-System: X-OpenPGP-Fingerprint:X-OpenPGP-Preferred-Keyserver:Mime-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=r59zDEoxf4TrMfCnc9QSga5c NiMSlJ7KzkRxohBE8nvDXoHI8xJ0tk37jQsuThYmrXOEK/AAQE17rh2NXr5RI9ivpWK tbE4kQnk++SZ34O/RdywM7CKhFLVSCQR1OVVsCO96y6o/20P4o/XNUDcmCe0cuoqm3s uxh7GNSRcTkDE= Received: from anthesphoria.net (adsl-200-199.eunet.yu [213.198.200.199]) (authenticated bits=0) by anthesphoria.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAGDDYvt096896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:13:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:10:05 +0100 From: Nikola =?UTF-8?B?TGXEjWnEhw==?= To: Bernt Hansson , Glen Barber Message-ID: <20081116141005.5a97dfa4@anthesphoria.net> In-Reply-To: <491FBF34.3090703@bah.homeip.net> References: <491E781C.3090405@bah.homeip.net> <4ad871310811150516l7c94e763tabbba31027187dcd@mail.gmail.com> <491EE1A0.5050103@bah.homeip.net> <4ad871310811150651r6ea6fbb7l985b00f97fa96fa@mail.gmail.com> <491EEE0A.5040100@bah.homeip.net> <20081115171357.7afbaa4b@anthesphoria.net> <491FBF34.3090703@bah.homeip.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) X-Face: pbl6-.[$G'Fi(Ogs2xlXP-V6{3||$Y[LOYs&~GJoikj'cVjcFC[V7du;;0~6nO= [Vi2?uU1Pq~,=Adj@,T:|"`$AF~il]J.Nz#2pU',Y7.{B;m/?{#sO^Dvo$rnmY6] X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE/i386 X-OpenPGP-Fingerprint: FEF3 66AF C90E EDC3 D878 7CDC 956D F4AB A377 1C9B X-OpenPGP-Preferred-Keyserver: x-hkp://pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Problems with Xfce & console X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:14:43 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 07:35:32 +0100 Bernt Hansson wrote: =20 > Nikola Le=C4=8Di=C4=87 said the following on 2008-11-15 17:13: > > On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:43:06 +0100 > > Bernt Hansson wrote: > > =20 > >> For me it's just xfce with option "Virtual". > >> if I omit "Virtual" xfce works fine but not any other WM. > >> Strange. > >=20 > > Can you try x11-drivers/xf86-video-radeonhd (Driver "radeonhd")? >=20 > Yes I was thinking about that one but was not sure if it was another=20 > driver or just a rename. I test it when I get back to work. They are not the same driver, "radeon" is a pretty basic thing while RadeonHD is a driver based on the specifications revealed by AMD. They constantly continue to open new data so the driver is improving pretty fast. For now it has even a basic 3D functionality and it could replace close-source fglrx driver in the future. http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=3Darticle&item=3D842&num=3D1 In my experience either fglrx (on Linux) or radeonhd always improved things. - --=20 Nikola Le=C4=8Di=C4=87 =3D =D0=9D=D0=B8=D0=BA=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=B0 =D0=9B=D0= =B5=D1=87=D0=B8=D1=9B fingerprint : FEF3 66AF C90E EDC3 D878 7CDC 956D F4AB A377 1C9B ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iJwEAQEDAAYFAkkgG7IACgkQ/MM/0rYIoZhthgQAwCJUzVdV+AhCobB4Z9lh5CSw czAF7nqZyyRwyHh9qVXH0URn6N2C2TNl7/xXor6xzuht64cyfMRWBNTgPSacG1mh 2OURrCyspk8T3k9CQTDYuf4LK4zgZuFH9r4XdwgDQow0SU/6M71tLUpNHccXougl NZjGaNHVuIr5iyaABOY=3D =3DyGxo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 14:24:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 075151065670; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:24:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC0518FC08; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:24:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id mAGEKJqT018067; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:20:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id mAGEKIql018066; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:20:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:20:18 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20081116142018.GA18047@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <491D59D3.8080809@spansurf.com> <20081114203914.W14337@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <491DDD56.1040001@ccstores.com> <20081114225626.GA56663@icarus.home.lan> <20081115011836.N16077@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116020345.GB15841@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081116125716.E24752@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081116125716.E24752@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Jerry McAllister , Jeremy Chadwick , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:24:24 -0000 On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 01:00:34PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>and (sometimes) from linux to FreeBSD. > >> > >>But not from Windows. > > > >Come on, lose your thickness and let the guy be free from Vista. > > I DO NOT say "don't free from microsoft"! > > you may change Toyota to Nissan, and just sit down and drive. > > But you can't change windoze to unix without learning unix from scratch. > > Unix is completely different way of computing. 1000 times better IMHO, but > you HAVE to learn it from scratch. > > All this windoze-like "desktop environments" like KDE, Gnome etc. is just > crap and nonsense. > > Use unix as unix. it's great. but learn it. > > It is NOT an alternative to windoze! Still it goes, the OP is trying to get away from MS-Win, not find some non-MS clone. So, why are you trying so hard to continue to stick him with something MS-Win. Allow the guy some freedom to move out of that mess without trying to play word games about alternatives on him. If he wants out of MS, then let him out of MS and not consign him to something he doesn't want. ////jerry From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 14:28:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC288106568A for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:28:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE648FC0C for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:28:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id mAGEO13u018105; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:24:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id mAGEO1IN018104; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:24:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:24:01 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Da Rock Message-ID: <20081116142401.GB18047@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <491D59D3.8080809@spansurf.com> <1226700024.22782.30.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081114223200.GA4293@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081114163902.17qwm4xct4bkg4o0w@intranet.casasponti.net> <1226812887.8307.16.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1226812887.8307.16.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:28:08 -0000 On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 03:21:27PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 16:39 -0600, eculp@casasponti.net wrote: > > Jerry McAllister escribió: > > > > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 08:00:23AM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 11:58 +0100, peter wrote: > > >> > Dear sirs > > >> > > > >> > please can you help me i am totally confused i want to change from > > >> > windows vista > > >> > > > >> > but i cannot understand which system to use > > >> > > > >> > i am not sure if freebsd will work with my hardware and software > > >> > > > >> > kind regards > > >> > > > >> > Peter > > >> > > >> Welcome to the free world Peter! > > >> > > >> FreeBSD is a very powerful and stable system, but that said it is also > > >> very hands on - the opposite extreme of vista which is all hands off. > > >> This means that you will have a very steep learning curve. > > >> > > >> This list is /very/ helpful, others may not be so friendly or helpful. > > >> This is great for newbies who need some real help in getting to know > > >> their system and fixing problems, but there are times when even this is > > >> not enough if you don't have enough experience with the system. > > >> > > >> My advice is this: get used to the *nix (linux, unix and other > > >> derivatives) systems and how they do things, and the best way to do this > > >> is to use linux which is like a halfway house for windows users. The > > >> software available for all systems is HUGE. And all this software will > > >> usually run on both systems. The difference is linux will take care of a > > >> lot of maintenance for you (like vista), but still allows you to get > > >> your hands dirty hacking the system to your hearts content. > > >> > > >> This is not to deter you from using FreeBSD - linux is a tough system > > >> when compared to windows, but FreeBSD is even tougher; bit like > > >> comparing a tank to fort knox. But the ease of use and experience you'll > > >> gain from using linux will be more forgiving than using FreeBSD. > > > > > > This is just wrong. I have always found FreeBSD to be easier > > > to install and configure the way I want it that the Red Hat or Suse > > > I often have to use for some servers at work. > > > > Amen to that. I've converted many Ubuntu users who had shot > > themselves in the foot. They are now happy freeBSD users. YMMV > > > > ed > > > > > > You can learn them all if you want and use them all. > > > But, don't be bullied in to believing that FreeBSD is any harder > > > than the Lunix flavors out there. > > > > > The reason for sending the OP to linux first is they will not be > deterred by the driver and hardware issues. Linux IS easier in this way, > and has a greater support for hardware that is used outside of a server > environment. It also allows them to learn the *nix methodology and > software. Sure they will. Linux has lots of driver lag problems. All but the most obscure hardware will run FreeBSD just fine too. We have had lots of battles with Redhat and Suse. ////jerry > > I think FreeBSD is great, but when you hit hardware issues - > particularly new hardware - linux has the greater support for the new > user. And there is no reason to hide heads in the sand, especially with > new desktop hardware like multimedia (which is growing in popularity for > the average user), support will come but it will take time. I have to > use Fedora (of all systems) on some of my units because it is still more > hands on and it supports my tv card and other multimedia hardware. Where > I don't need this I use FreeBSD, and then I will eventually get around > to perhaps writing drivers for the hardware I use. > > I appreciate your views, but I face these issues all the time and I wish > all the time that I could use the stability of FreeBSD to run the > multimedia systems I run. As a new user once myself at one stage I > remember how frustrating it was to just get some stuff running I used > regularly and how hard it was (and even then still not quite right) to > get it doing what I needed. For a server and workstation its fantastic, > but for some home uses it ran out of features, ergo linux backup. > > Plus learning linux taught me even more about the advantages and > abilities of FreeBSD and how to make it work. > > > > > ////jerry > > > > > >> > > >> My suggestion would be to get used to the *nixes with Ubuntu or even > > >> PCBSD (which is a FreeBSD variant for newer users), once you have gotten > > >> used to that give yourself another steep learning curve and jump to the > > >> final level of FreeBSD straight-up :) > > >> > > >> Keep in touch with this list and you'll get all your questions answered > > >> no matter how ridiculous they may seem to the seasoned users here, and > > >> the Ubuntu list is nearly as helpful from my observation (hence my > > >> recommendation). > > >> > > >> Once you have the experience you'll definitely want FreeBSD for its > > >> security, stability, and more. You can run a desktop, a server, or just > > >> about whatever you want on it. The possibilties are endless with nearly > > >> any *nix system, but the stability can only be found with BSD. > > >> > > >> Good luck with your endeavours and welcome, again > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 14:34:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F0D81065672 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:34:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from OttK@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (kalah.zzz.ee [194.204.30.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E599B8FC12 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:34:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from OttK@zzz.ee) Received: by zzz.ee (Postfix, from userid 3019) id DF1F1FD0A9; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:34:10 +0200 (EET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin on spamassassin.zzz.ee X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Guessed-Language: X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_55,RDNS_DYNAMIC, SPF_SOFTFAIL X-Spam-Checker-URL: http://info.zzz.ee Received: from [192.168.1.64] (87-119-181-26.tll.elisa.ee [87.119.181.26]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 615BEFD0C8 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:34:07 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <49202F59.7050802@zzz.ee> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:34:01 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ott_K=F6stner?= Organization: TIGMA AS User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: top incorrectly reporting process time X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:34:12 -0000 Hello, On several FreeBSD machines I have the following problem: # top -bUmysql last pid: 99112; load averages: 0.22, 0.12, 0.09 up 2+06:07:05 16:17:43 132 processes: 1 running, 131 sleeping Mem: 718M Active, 2494M Inact, 455M Wired, 77M Cache, 214M Buf, 213M Free Swap: 4096M Total, 4096M Free PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 1079 mysql 9 20 0 81564K 60268K sigwai 1 0:01 0.00% mysqld ^^^^^^^ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1015 mysql 1 8 0 7056K 1368K wait 1 0:00 0.00% sh However mysqld time is actually # ps -ax|grep mysql 1015 con- I 0:00.01 /bin/sh /usr/local/bin/mysqld_safe --defaults-extra-file=/var/db/mysql/my.cnf 1079 con- S 70:03.64 [mysqld] ^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 99156 p0 S+ 0:00.00 grep mysql Anyone who can explain this? With greetings, Ott Köstner From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 14:40:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A551065670 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:40:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from OttK@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (kalah.zzz.ee [194.204.30.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 279838FC16 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:40:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from OttK@zzz.ee) Received: by zzz.ee (Postfix, from userid 3019) id 08427FD0C7; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:22:57 +0200 (EET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin on spamassassin.zzz.ee X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Guessed-Language: X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_55,RDNS_DYNAMIC, SPF_SOFTFAIL X-Spam-Checker-URL: http://info.zzz.ee Received: from [192.168.1.64] (87-119-181-26.tll.elisa.ee [87.119.181.26]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D0B4FD0B6 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:22:54 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <49202CB8.3080506@zzz.ee> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:22:48 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ott_K=F6stner?= Organization: TIGMA AS User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: top incorrectly reporting process time X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:40:57 -0000 Hello, On several FreeBSD machines I have the following problem: # top -bUmysql last pid: 99112; load averages: 0.22, 0.12, 0.09 up 2+06:07:05 16:17:43 132 processes: 1 running, 131 sleeping Mem: 718M Active, 2494M Inact, 455M Wired, 77M Cache, 214M Buf, 213M Free Swap: 4096M Total, 4096M Free PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 1079 mysql 9 20 0 81564K 60268K sigwai 1 0:01 0.00% mysqld ^^^^^^^ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1015 mysql 1 8 0 7056K 1368K wait 1 0:00 0.00% sh However mysqld time is actually # ps -ax|grep mysql 1015 con- I 0:00.01 /bin/sh /usr/local/bin/mysqld_safe --defaults-extra-file=/var/db/mysql/my.cnf 1079 con- S 70:03.64 [mysqld] ^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 99156 p0 S+ 0:00.00 grep mysql Anyone who can explain this? With greetings, Ott Köstner From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 14:41:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B17E106568C for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:41:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 348688FC20 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:41:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.28]) by QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fno41a0030cZkys54qh8n6; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:41:08 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fqgx1a0092P6wsM3WqgyUW; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:40:59 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=rk3OoIYMtrsA:10 a=AGMKkuXPI-8A:10 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=u69_v4ge6XhYLnnUB1EA:9 a=y_A8NvwwWDiPHeYbrrYA:7 a=Npm-pZiMqmOFnzJPeoHrrfYECu8A:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 86B0C33C36; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:40:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:40:57 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Ott =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6stner?= Message-ID: <20081116144057.GA3864@icarus.home.lan> References: <49202F59.7050802@zzz.ee> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <49202F59.7050802@zzz.ee> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: top incorrectly reporting process time X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:41:12 -0000 On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 04:34:01PM +0200, Ott Köstner wrote: > On several FreeBSD machines I have the following problem: What FreeBSD version? (It matters) > # top -bUmysql > last pid: 99112; load averages: 0.22, 0.12, 0.09 up 2+06:07:05 > 16:17:43 > 132 processes: 1 running, 131 sleeping > > Mem: 718M Active, 2494M Inact, 455M Wired, 77M Cache, 214M Buf, 213M Free > Swap: 4096M Total, 4096M Free > > > PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU > COMMAND > 1079 mysql 9 20 0 81564K 60268K sigwai 1 0:01 0.00% mysqld > > > ^^^^^^^ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > 1015 mysql 1 8 0 7056K 1368K wait 1 0:00 0.00% sh > > > However mysqld time is actually > > # ps -ax|grep mysql > 1015 con- I 0:00.01 /bin/sh /usr/local/bin/mysqld_safe > --defaults-extra-file=/var/db/mysql/my.cnf > 1079 con- S 70:03.64 [mysqld] > ^^^^^^^^^^^ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > 99156 p0 S+ 0:00.00 grep mysql > > Anyone who can explain this? Does the behaviour change if you mount /proc? (This would mainly apply to RELENG_6 and earlier only) -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 14:57:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B6E10656A4 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:57:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from OttK@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (kalah.zzz.ee [194.204.30.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 761858FC12 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:57:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from OttK@zzz.ee) Received: by zzz.ee (Postfix, from userid 3019) id E759CFD0BD; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:57:05 +0200 (EET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin on spamassassin.zzz.ee X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Guessed-Language: X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_55,RDNS_DYNAMIC, SPF_SOFTFAIL X-Spam-Checker-URL: http://info.zzz.ee Received: from [192.168.1.64] (87-119-181-26.tll.elisa.ee [87.119.181.26]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8FE69FD047 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:57:02 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <492034B8.9020903@zzz.ee> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:56:56 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ott_K=F6stner?= Organization: TIGMA AS User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <49202F59.7050802@zzz.ee> <20081116144057.GA3864@icarus.home.lan> In-Reply-To: <20081116144057.GA3864@icarus.home.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: top incorrectly reporting process time X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:57:07 -0000 Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 04:34:01PM +0200, Ott Köstner wrote: > >> On several FreeBSD machines I have the following problem: >> > > What FreeBSD version? (It matters) > 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD But I can experience it also on a 7.0 machine. Seems that top reports incorrectly processes with multiple threads. $ top -bUbind last pid: 21635; load averages: 0.73, 0.46, 0.29 up 1+00:17:18 16:48:10 54 processes: 1 running, 53 sleeping Mem: 66M Active, 1174M Inact, 204M Wired, 36K Cache, 112M Buf, 555M Free Swap: 2048M Total, 2048M Free PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 979 bind 8 44 0 40288K 32916K select 0 0:16 0.00% named $ ps -ax|grep 979 979 ?? Ss 1:11.26 /usr/sbin/named -n 5 -t /var/named -u bind > >> # top -bUmysql >> last pid: 99112; load averages: 0.22, 0.12, 0.09 up 2+06:07:05 >> 16:17:43 >> 132 processes: 1 running, 131 sleeping >> >> Mem: 718M Active, 2494M Inact, 455M Wired, 77M Cache, 214M Buf, 213M Free >> Swap: 4096M Total, 4096M Free >> >> >> PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU >> COMMAND >> 1079 mysql 9 20 0 81564K 60268K sigwai 1 0:01 0.00% mysqld >> >> >> ^^^^^^^ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> 1015 mysql 1 8 0 7056K 1368K wait 1 0:00 0.00% sh >> >> >> However mysqld time is actually >> >> # ps -ax|grep mysql >> 1015 con- I 0:00.01 /bin/sh /usr/local/bin/mysqld_safe >> --defaults-extra-file=/var/db/mysql/my.cnf >> 1079 con- S 70:03.64 [mysqld] >> ^^^^^^^^^^^ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> 99156 p0 S+ 0:00.00 grep mysql >> >> Anyone who can explain this? >> > > Does the behaviour change if you mount /proc? (This would mainly apply > to RELENG_6 and earlier only) > > procfs on /proc (procfs, local) No. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 15:04:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F4F91065673 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:04:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: from smtprelay09.ispgateway.de (smtprelay09.ispgateway.de [80.67.29.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3544B8FC18 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:04:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: from [88.153.0.16] (helo=localhost) by smtprelay09.ispgateway.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1L1jBB-0004zH-LO for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:04:49 +0100 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:04:43 +0100 From: Fabian Keil To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081116160443.110535f6@fabiankeil.de> In-Reply-To: <20081115134600.GA38127@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <20081115084600.GA4998@thought.org> <20081115123726.GA32845@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20081115134714.1537e2bc@fabiankeil.de> <20081115134600.GA38127@slackbox.xs4all.nl> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd8.0) X-PGP-KEY-URL: http://www.fabiankeil.de/gpg-keys/freebsd-listen-2008-08-18.asc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/72wMmOhBv4HQ6SbBGb_vDIt"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Df-Sender: 775067 Subject: Re: "High Noonn" DVD?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:04:51 -0000 --Sig_/72wMmOhBv4HQ6SbBGb_vDIt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roland Smith wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 01:47:14PM +0100, Fabian Keil wrote: > > On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:37:26 +0100, Roland Smith wro= te: > >=20 > > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 12:46:03AM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > > > >=20 > > > > Do any of you guys know why the DVD version of HIGH NOON won't pla= y on my > > > > computers? I've tried everything I can think of. Zero. I watch= ed the > > > > *original* in the theater (I think); then have watched the tape in= '98, > > > > and the DVD just now. I'm not that nutty to waste a DVD-R on it; = I'm > > > > just wondering my none of my players won't play it. > > >=20 > > > Different region? Most players are locked to a certain region, and wo= n't > > > play disks from other regions. Although it is possible to install > > > upgraded or modified firmware that removes the region encoding, that > > > usually needs a windows program. And it can brick your player when do= ne > > > incorrectly. > >=20 > > IIRC respecting the region is only necessary for players with a > > licensed CSS implementation. If the player cracks CSS anyway, > > it usually ignores the region as well so messing with the firmware > > shouldn't be necessary. >=20 > OK, that's nice to know. All the DVDs that I have play fine with > mplayer, but they're probably all region 2 disks. So I should be able to > play region 1 disks with mplayer? I think so. I play different regions with both mplayer and vlc all the time. Fabian --Sig_/72wMmOhBv4HQ6SbBGb_vDIt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkgNowACgkQBYqIVf93VJ0T1QCgnePJFiw1z0NQMMVSXko+Z+gb MyMAn1PBox8RznT1JN3OkSVTNJUqd0Z2 =skFD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/72wMmOhBv4HQ6SbBGb_vDIt-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 15:08:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75D461065688 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:08:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: from smtprelay10.ispgateway.de (smtprelay10.ispgateway.de [80.67.29.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A678FC0C for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:08:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: from [88.153.0.16] (helo=localhost) by smtprelay10.ispgateway.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1L1jEs-0001MX-2T for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:08:38 +0100 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:08:27 +0100 From: Fabian Keil To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081116160827.6b83b153@fabiankeil.de> In-Reply-To: <20081115172323.23093dd2@anthesphoria.net> References: <20081115084600.GA4998@thought.org> <20081115123726.GA32845@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20081115134714.1537e2bc@fabiankeil.de> <20081115134600.GA38127@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20081115172323.23093dd2@anthesphoria.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd8.0) X-PGP-KEY-URL: http://www.fabiankeil.de/gpg-keys/freebsd-listen-2008-08-18.asc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/fGFhPnExfUT1KmaAgSJWtKf"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Df-Sender: 775067 Subject: Re: "High Noonn" DVD?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:08:40 -0000 --Sig_/fGFhPnExfUT1KmaAgSJWtKf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nikola Le=C4=8Di=C4=87 wrote: > On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:46:00 +0100 > Roland Smith wrote: >=20 > > OK, that's nice to know. All the DVDs that I have play fine with > > mplayer, but they're probably all region 2 disks. So I should be able > > to play region 1 disks with mplayer? >=20 > That's exactly what I am trying to do at this moment, with no success. > I'm in the region 2 and I set my DVD drive accordingly (with a small C > programme). Now I got some region 1 DVDs and libdvdcss is not sufficient > as such. Which programs did you try? Do you get an error message? Can you rip the disc with vobcopy? Did you try playing or ripping the discs on a GNU/Linux system? Fabian --Sig_/fGFhPnExfUT1KmaAgSJWtKf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkgN2sACgkQBYqIVf93VJ3+2wCgmCNI3du+BVDKjc7ouIXH7K4F eHYAoIsLSYqrScOZ0PVpmb4fdJX+DoFP =tqTP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/fGFhPnExfUT1KmaAgSJWtKf-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 15:13:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA563106564A for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:13:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: from smtprelay02.ispgateway.de (smtprelay02.ispgateway.de [80.67.18.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C4468FC1D for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:13:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: from [88.153.0.16] (helo=localhost) by smtprelay02.ispgateway.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1L1jJT-0003Hj-1n for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:13:23 +0100 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:13:13 +0100 From: Fabian Keil To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081116161313.51571fd0@fabiankeil.de> In-Reply-To: <20081116013854.GA2977@thought.org> References: <20081115084600.GA4998@thought.org> <20081115123726.GA32845@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20081116013854.GA2977@thought.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd8.0) X-PGP-KEY-URL: http://www.fabiankeil.de/gpg-keys/freebsd-listen-2008-08-18.asc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/rGFGWqT2O+ccD=JO.oKEPCO"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Df-Sender: 775067 Subject: Re: "High Noonn" DVD?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:13:24 -0000 --Sig_/rGFGWqT2O+ccD=JO.oKEPCO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gary Kline wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 01:37:26PM +0100, Roland Smith wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 12:46:03AM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > > >=20 > > > Do any of you guys know why the DVD version of HIGH NOON won't play = on my > > > computers? I've tried everything I can think of. Zero. I watched= the > > > *original* in the theater (I think); then have watched the tape in '= 98, > > > and the DVD just now. I'm not that nutty to waste a DVD-R on it; I'm > > > just wondering my none of my players won't play it. > >=20 > > Different region? Most players are locked to a certain region, and won't > > play disks from other regions. Although it is possible to install > > upgraded or modified firmware that removes the region encoding, that > > usually needs a windows program. And it can brick your player when done > > incorrectly. > I just realized that last night the DVD jumped right into the Start of > the film. No FBI threats of extraordinary rendition to those who would > copy, no pre-list of places to jump to. The extra features were at the > end, only. So it's probably a bad disc. =20 There are quite a few discs that do that by design, especially older ones. =20 Fabian --Sig_/rGFGWqT2O+ccD=JO.oKEPCO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkgOIkACgkQBYqIVf93VJ2y9wCfbt45WuJoHMrnUKtsH/p/CyBN V8AAoKt/CwX47afccBroBFbf+uQsac3B =DqEX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/rGFGWqT2O+ccD=JO.oKEPCO-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 15:37:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 859BC1065674 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:37:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: from smtprelay08.ispgateway.de (smtprelay08.ispgateway.de [80.67.29.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C428FC19 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:37:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: from [88.153.0.16] (helo=localhost) by smtprelay08.ispgateway.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1L1jh9-0007on-9u for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:37:51 +0100 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:37:44 +0100 From: Fabian Keil To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081116163744.224cbb6f@fabiankeil.de> In-Reply-To: <20081116005343.1e980c96@anthesphoria.net> References: <20081115084600.GA4998@thought.org> <20081115123726.GA32845@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20081115134714.1537e2bc@fabiankeil.de> <20081115134600.GA38127@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20081115172323.23093dd2@anthesphoria.net> <20081115164121.GA78325@icarus.home.lan> <20081115172305.GA1269@phenom.cordula.ws> <20081116005343.1e980c96@anthesphoria.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd8.0) X-PGP-KEY-URL: http://www.fabiankeil.de/gpg-keys/freebsd-listen-2008-08-18.asc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/3LNoS.FJ5K7bTUd5Ot5RJ/s"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Df-Sender: 775067 Subject: Re: "High Noonn" DVD?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:37:54 -0000 --Sig_/3LNoS.FJ5K7bTUd5Ot5RJ/s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nikola Le=C4=8Di=C4=87 wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: RIPEMD160 >=20 > On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:23:05 +0100 > cpghost wrote: > =20 > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 08:41:21AM -0800, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 05:23:23PM +0100, Nikola Le??i?? wrote: > > > > On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:46:00 +0100 > > > > Roland Smith wrote: > > > >=20 > > > > > OK, that's nice to know. All the DVDs that I have play fine with > > > > > mplayer, but they're probably all region 2 disks. So I should > > > > > be able to play region 1 disks with mplayer? > > > >=20 > > > > That's exactly what I am trying to do at this moment, with no > > > > success. I'm in the region 2 and I set my DVD drive accordingly > > > > (with a small C programme). Now I got some region 1 DVDs and > > > > libdvdcss is not sufficient as such. Of course, I can change DVD > > > > drive region setting temporarily, but the drive allows just 4 or > > > > 5 such changes. Does anyone know how to avoid this counting? > > >=20 > > > Changing the region encoding setting on your DVD drive involves > > > setting a bit or code somewhere in the flash/EEPROM inside of the > > > DVD drive. The limit of 4-5 changes is purely a DVD drive firmware > > > thing; there's no technical limit, instead it's a limit imposed by > > > the firmware. > > >=20 > > > There are websites nowadays which offer "hacked" firmwares which > > > remove region encoding altogether (or remove the 4-5 set limit). > > > However, they're only available for very specific models of DVD > > > drives. If this is important to you, you should considering > > > purchasing a drive that can be flashed with a "hacked" firmware. > >=20 > > Check out for RPC1 modded firmwares. > >=20 > > http://forum.rpc1.org/portal.php >=20 > Thanks! The DVD drive is >=20 > cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device I had the same drive for a few days and returned it because it wouldn't work properly under FreeBSD. It didn't recognise discs that worked in other drives, ripping was real slow and it caused system or application hangups every now and then. It caused less problems on GNU/Linux, but even there ripping some problematic discs was too slow and watching them from disc without stuttering impossible. I'm still looking for a replacement, so if anyone can name a drive that properly plays or rips all discs from the Al Bundy box without issues (under FreeBSD), I'd appreciate it. Fabian --Sig_/3LNoS.FJ5K7bTUd5Ot5RJ/s Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkgPkkACgkQBYqIVf93VJ2PowCZAajgNERHHOAE8fb+uC7KpPlt i3AAoIcDNWdTClm4NdkMUVh4ibxHm6E/ =dd+7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/3LNoS.FJ5K7bTUd5Ot5RJ/s-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 15:43:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E851065675 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:43:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eculp@casasponti.net) Received: from ns2.bafirst.com (72-12-2-19.static.networktel.net [72.12.2.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 612EF8FC13 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:43:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eculp@casasponti.net) Received: from casasponti.net ([201.155.7.3]) by ns2.bafirst.com with esmtp; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:43:50 -0600 id 000D51F5.49203FB6.00007B8A Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 80) by casasponti.net with local; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:43:39 -0600 id 00130D91.49203FAB.00004340 Received: from dsl-189-190-24-60.prod-infinitum.com.mx (dsl-189-190-24-60.prod-infinitum.com.mx [189.190.24.60]) by intranet.casasponti.net (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:43:39 -0600 Message-ID: <20081116094339.17qwm4xct6bkwsc4w@intranet.casasponti.net> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:43:39 -0600 From: eculp@casasponti.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (5.0-cvs) X-Remote-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.18) Gecko/20081114 Firefox/2.0.0.18 X-IMP-Server: 201.155.7.3 X-Originating-IP: 189.190.24.60 X-Originating-User: eculp@casasponti.net Subject: How can rsync with ssh be used on a non standard ssh port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:43:52 -0000 Test example. I need to sync a directory from my machine to another that is using port 722 rather than 22. I can use ssh -pm722, scp -P 722 fine but I prefer rsync for the backup due to configuration flexibility. The man says: rsync [OPTION...] SRC... rsync://[USER@]HOST[:PORT]/DEST Which I translate to something like: rsync -avz /almacen/testDir rsync://backupMachine.com:722/backup/ but I get the following: rsync: server sent "SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.1p1 FreeBSD-20080901" rather than greeting rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at main.c(1504) [sender=3.0.4] I've tried variants to the point of no return. Help would be appreciated. Thanks, ed From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 15:50:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90E0B1065670 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:50:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eculp@casasponti.net) Received: from ns2.bafirst.com (72-12-2-19.static.networktel.net [72.12.2.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357BF8FC14 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:50:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eculp@casasponti.net) Received: from casasponti.net ([201.155.7.3]) by ns2.bafirst.com with esmtp; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:50:54 -0600 id 000D51F5.4920415F.00007BCB Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 80) by casasponti.net with local; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:50:44 -0600 id 00130D91.49204154.000043A4 Received: from dsl-189-190-24-60.prod-infinitum.com.mx (dsl-189-190-24-60.prod-infinitum.com.mx [189.190.24.60]) by intranet.casasponti.net (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:50:44 -0600 Message-ID: <20081116095044.17qwm4xct6bkwsc4w@intranet.casasponti.net> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:50:44 -0600 From: eculp@casasponti.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (5.0-cvs) X-Remote-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.18) Gecko/20081114 Firefox/2.0.0.18 X-IMP-Server: 201.155.7.3 X-Originating-IP: 189.190.24.60 X-Originating-User: eculp@casasponti.net Subject: How can rsync with ssh be used on a non standard ssh port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:50:56 -0000 I need to use rsync for backup to another machine using a nonstandard port for ssh. 722. For example, when I test using my translation of the man pages: rsync [OPTION...] SRC... rsync://[USER@]HOST[:PORT]/DEST I use: rsync -avz /almacen/testDir rsync://backkup.net:722/backup/ the error generated is: rsync: server sent "SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.1p1 FreeBSD-20080901" rather than greeting rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at main.c(1504) [sender=3.0.4] I've tried many variants but none have worked. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, ed From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 15:44:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD0C106564A for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:44:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp107.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp107.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 085F08FC1B for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:44:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 67506 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2008 15:44:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:X-Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=kw90D788hOfccsxcciowY3ZeWFvUuhQh4lyanI+jOd82z22ZCoi2zDYW2tpwbblFXOByIih8B4U/V+HZp/oA65yWgIna0yB8GOqQf0QMs3cDiWvHAg/o1hV7pcuy9kFSr+JZEU6LJpC8n9+U9JFx5MALjsYmROo1X64cD6J8MOM= ; Received: from unknown (HELO scorpio) (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp107.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2008 15:44:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2vFcTucVM1lw6vHE9_gPgoWQokZq1sNr8RWPUxG3f21Q_fq08ec.kCQpDZK_l8y1_qgyQtCcUNWFQIp9XEEK3SuVjOu15yUIFPWy7ukPKyn32GTK7ofbMLVdMNXEHyWl80VRFojWhIOv9vdFJ40hNCIm.M6wyYasQA.mbod2lEZHEp8xTkpBjanrEA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:44:48 -0500 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081116104448.2ee91396@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20081116084428.GA78951@ei.bzerk.org> References: <200811102235.46971.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <4ad871310811101530p7b2baa0fk7f7b5118e314c11d@mail.gmail.com> <4918CE42.3050504@ccstores.com> <20081111151302.GA86528@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081112080616.2e195af5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20081112141407.0be011ae@scorpio> <20081114192856.GD9882@kokopelli.hydra> <875511.50099.qm@web32106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20081114222026.16aa0add.freebsd@edvax.de> <20081116084428.GA78951@ei.bzerk.org> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.3) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/71mQklzX2_tu9A_1uxqxrb_"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:51:15 +0000 Subject: Re: root /etc/csh X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:44:52 -0000 --Sig_/71mQklzX2_tu9A_1uxqxrb_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:44:28 +0100 Ruben de Groot wrote: [snip] >Well, the link is created automatically by the port, so you should >never have had to modify any 'shebang' > ># ls -l `which perl` >lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 24 Nov 27 2007 /usr/bin/perl -> /usr/local/bin= /perl5.8.8 I am not talking about installing from ports; but rather, Perl scripts that I have downloaded from various sites. These inevitably have the setting for Perl wrong for a FreeBSD system. By the way, on my system, the output is slightly different. ~ $ ls -l `which perl` -rwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 9536 May 3 2008 /usr/local/bin/perl* --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com The streets are safe in Philadelphia, it's only the people who make them unsafe. Mayor Frank Rizzo --Sig_/71mQklzX2_tu9A_1uxqxrb_ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkgP/EACgkQBvaKIJWWCO14vQCeNIVUUrfxNTe+8yQp8jRhKDei TZcAnR/bq9d9LTzIuJuR3Ke7GbBcb9D+ =SuQO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/71mQklzX2_tu9A_1uxqxrb_-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 15:55:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAA0A106567B for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:55:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerardon_paredes@yahoo.com) Received: from web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.9.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6123C8FC19 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:55:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerardon_paredes@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 12441 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2008 15:55:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=Kid0ZlgEN24FhptID3C4qEkc1IA1dW0aw6rcSTAaoQ2sd3fL5GGe0St+8KoYuSEvfwpOH/bIkpNrnrVdpAWBIVHeGeclupWlJe1v3JiK9FzICCAN4Ku7A8ltwXTQ03kUodmaoLGaioCt9ifU0ml/ePbCp7K79Z809riJl3nuE2g=; X-YMail-OSG: kd6tz2wVM1nskOb7e.JmLeFiL3EmhOBS8Mkz4fy26AukzXH36exKFNtXGHWZu4Ec3MjT7fGIstpBlkx4e3dIkrP26ZOfDgqEvn7M5Iu1MDqlcQxb.qUnp9qQNf8v30tmIVX7Nsg5JYAdKlJGkKZuRLZADO87rap8VW2DBht0a553fDzNZalV8izXcn1k Received: from [190.92.11.131] by web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 07:55:56 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 07:55:56 -0800 (PST) From: Gerardo Paredes To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20081115174616.0ae4e245.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <778873.11671.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:02:58 +0000 Cc: Subject: Re: make doesn't know how to make KERNCONF X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: gerardon_paredes@yahoo.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:55:58 -0000 > From: Polytropon > Subject: Re: make doesn't know how to make KERNCONF > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Date: Saturday, November 15, 2008, 8:46 AM > On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:23:50 -0500, Lowell Gilbert > wrote: > > No, the shell isn't interpreting anything in that > command line (the > > variable assignment is interpreted by make itself), so > the command is > > fine. Maybe the sources aren't completely > installed? If I were trying > > to exercise my psychic technical support powers, I > might guess that the > > system makefiles weren't installed. > > Check /usr/src/Makefile, /usr/src/Makefile.inc1 and > /usr/src/release/Makefile. These files should be up to > date when doing a correct update (or at least they should > get installed by installing the "src" > distribution). i am using csh and the files you mention are there. I checked them because i were trying to figure out what is happening. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 16:10:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05AFF1065677 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:10:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yonyossef.lists@gmail.com) Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5FD08FC2A for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:10:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yonyossef.lists@gmail.com) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j71so2123311rne.12 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:10:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=H7yAkiJY+jvAZ6RLzipnkWI8AJ17d3ULqGQMqTTeJ8I=; b=waakLdRVPK4BJHcpq1xbM3ktXitjVvh9ihKBkmMLJhnwb91dJi1u4sUrkXmY3MyV6s wzRAExWq3TIYgvjtfXsOmiPlSEkBW9bpf46Q4Sjl/0gYPjND+8neY3mWTXeyveiOhcIJ 9U95VA8yTYxK8ugOc9eFP5kBvgHfiKNzFT7vw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Y4t+vg8gpQfMkMZCbhQviYEleIafMpTsZZpoI6gF7X44Ux8bUcEN5agPeJpTmZI3Xz I8rTWAP3jbalhL+1rSTI4a8OjPEIz5wFcZUhByBOJwVtLs+HwbxyRafVkz+SVC/ZG475 onP0Oi4syRRUmT1JB33+70/0Q/ydXpnm4EP0g= Received: by 10.150.52.2 with SMTP id z2mr6021694ybz.248.1226851832899; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:10:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.124.5 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:10:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20def4870811160810w28e92b5amb4587459a0b719a4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:10:32 +0200 From: "Yony Yossef" To: gerardon_paredes@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: <279800.62396.qm@web65607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <279800.62396.qm@web65607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make doesn't know how to make KERNCONF X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:10:34 -0000 > make doesn't know how to make KERNCONF > > > the command i run is: > > cd /usr/src > make buildkernel KERNCONF=MIO > > where MIO is my kernel configuration file, living at /usr/src/sys/i386/conf Are you sure your conf file shouldn't be in /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf ? YY From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 16:16:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A80E51065673 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:16:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from so14k@valentine.liquidneon.com) Received: from valentine.liquidneon.com (valentine.liquidneon.com [216.87.78.132]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9987D8FC21 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:16:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from so14k@valentine.liquidneon.com) Received: by valentine.liquidneon.com (Postfix, from userid 1018) id 5E4A68FDA7; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:04:28 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:04:28 -0700 From: Brad Davis To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Subject: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:16:36 -0000 Dear FreeBSD users, The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce the availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion forum. 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Sincerely, The FreeBSD Forums Admin Team From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 16:17:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A9A31065686 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:17:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eagletree@hughes.net) Received: from smtprelay.b.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0091.b.hostedemail.com [64.98.42.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC7CF8FC1C for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:17:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eagletree@hughes.net) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (b-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay01.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6EDB717A3406 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:17:25 +0000 (UTC) X-SpamScore: 1 X-Spam-Summary: 2, 0, 0, 3753c71111b301eb, 9510f55e4507d164, eagletree@hughes.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, RULES_HIT:355:379:541:564:599:601:945:960:966:967:973:980:988:989:1260:1261:1277:1311:1313:1314:1345:1359:1437:1515:1516:1518:1534:1541:1593:1594:1711:1730:1747:1766:1792:2196:2199:2393:2525:2551:2553:2559:2563:2682:2685:2689:2857:2859:2892:2895:2933:2937:2939:2942:2945:2947:2951:2954:3022:3027:3353:3865:3867:3868:3869:3870:3871:3873:3874:3876:3877:3934:3936:3938:3941:3944:3947:3950:3953:3956:3959:4385:4699:4860:5007:6114:6119:7576:7652:7679:7903:8501:9010:9025:9036:9388, 0, RBL:none, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk, SPF:, MSBL:none, DNSBL:none Received: from [192.168.0.3] (dpc6744118153.direcpc.com [67.44.118.153]) (Authenticated sender: eagletree@hughes.net) by omf12.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:17:20 +0000 (UTC) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <778873.11671.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <778873.11671.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <36991AE2-A816-4384-B80C-926B19031577@hughes.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Pratt Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:17:15 -0800 To: FreeBSD-Questions Questions X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-session-marker: 6561676C6574726565406875676865732E6E6574 Subject: Re: make doesn't know how to make KERNCONF X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:17:27 -0000 On Nov 16, 2008, at 7:55 AM, Gerardo Paredes wrote: >> From: Polytropon >> Subject: Re: make doesn't know how to make KERNCONF >> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> Date: Saturday, November 15, 2008, 8:46 AM >> On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:23:50 -0500, Lowell Gilbert >> wrote: >>> No, the shell isn't interpreting anything in that >> command line (the >>> variable assignment is interpreted by make itself), so >> the command is >>> fine. Maybe the sources aren't completely >> installed? If I were trying >>> to exercise my psychic technical support powers, I >> might guess that the >>> system makefiles weren't installed. >> >> Check /usr/src/Makefile, /usr/src/Makefile.inc1 and >> /usr/src/release/Makefile. These files should be up to >> date when doing a correct update (or at least they should >> get installed by installing the "src" >> distribution). > > i am using csh and the files you mention are there. > I checked them because i were trying to figure out what is happening. > I attempted to reproduce the error message you received and could not. This isn't a normal buildkernel make error one would expect to see if the /usr/src makefiles are not correct. You might want to include a lot more information for those reading the list to be able to answer your question. Offhand, things like the Release version, if your src install was done correctly, the architecture you installed (amd64 vs i386) and if you've cvsup'd again since you had the problem. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 16:18:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF911065670 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:18:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E30918FC21 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:18:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fs781a0050mv7h053sHW0y; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:17:30 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fsJH1a00E2P6wsM3XsJJb7; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:18:18 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=9D5Lw9B1SoAA:10 a=dYsXH3GEQWkA:10 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=7NMS0sSO5bTq9M4yyxsA:9 a=M2gx3FVTFu7OoAG3mx4A:7 a=FMpUQ2aQCm5FPsxTULc2CdCOw9AA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=cxGlk9zFKLcA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BEE8433C37; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:18:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:18:17 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: eculp@casasponti.net Message-ID: <20081116161817.GA5749@icarus.home.lan> References: <20081116094339.17qwm4xct6bkwsc4w@intranet.casasponti.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081116094339.17qwm4xct6bkwsc4w@intranet.casasponti.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can rsync with ssh be used on a non standard ssh port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:18:26 -0000 On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 09:43:39AM -0600, eculp@casasponti.net wrote: > Test example. > > I need to sync a directory from my machine to another that is using port > 722 rather than 22. I can use ssh -pm722, scp -P 722 fine but I prefer > rsync for the backup due to configuration flexibility. The man says: > > rsync [OPTION...] SRC... rsync://[USER@]HOST[:PORT]/DEST > > Which I translate to something like: > > rsync -avz /almacen/testDir rsync://backupMachine.com:722/backup/ > > but I get the following: > > rsync: server sent "SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.1p1 FreeBSD-20080901" rather than > greeting > rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at > main.c(1504) [sender=3.0.4] > > I've tried variants to the point of no return. Help would be appreciated. Check out the -e flag for rsync. There are examples of how to use this inside of the rsync(1) man page. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 16:20:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CD4D1065678 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:20:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from unsane.co.uk (unsane-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f08:110::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB7B58FC12 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:20:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from vhoffman-macbook.local ([10.0.0.173]) (authenticated bits=0) by unsane.co.uk (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAGGKQ3w065084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:20:26 GMT (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Message-ID: <49204858.6060604@unsane.co.uk> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:20:40 +0000 From: Vincent Hoffman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eculp@casasponti.net References: <20081116095044.17qwm4xct6bkwsc4w@intranet.casasponti.net> In-Reply-To: <20081116095044.17qwm4xct6bkwsc4w@intranet.casasponti.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can rsync with ssh be used on a non standard ssh port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:20:56 -0000 eculp@casasponti.net wrote: > I need to use rsync for backup to another machine using a nonstandard > port for ssh. 722. > > For example, when I test using my translation of the man pages: > > rsync [OPTION...] SRC... rsync://[USER@]HOST[:PORT]/DEST > > I use: > > rsync -avz /almacen/testDir rsync://backkup.net:722/backup/ > > the error generated is: > > rsync: server sent "SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.1p1 FreeBSD-20080901" rather > than greeting > rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at > main.c(1504) [sender=3.0.4] > > I've tried many variants but none have worked. Any suggestions would > be greatly appreciated. > Hi, -e 'ssh -p722' should do it in theory I'm not certain if rsync over ssh honours the SSH_CONFIG(5) file(s) it should do though. If so it could also be added on a per host basis there. something like Host foo.example.com Port 722 User myuser IdentityFile /path/to/custom/key Vince > Thanks, > > ed > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 16:33:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71DE5106564A for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:33:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ronw@bals.org) Received: from bal.bals.org (bal.bals.org [65.122.161.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37DA98FC17 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:33:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ronw@bals.org) Received: from [192.168.0.153] (c-69-244-214-70.hsd1.fl.comcast.net [69.244.214.70]) (authenticated bits=0) by bal.bals.org (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAGGAn2L083466; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:10:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ronw@bals.org) Message-ID: <49204606.6090106@bals.org> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:10:46 -0500 From: Ron Wilhoite Organization: Bay Area Legal Services, Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eculp@casasponti.net References: <20081116095044.17qwm4xct6bkwsc4w@intranet.casasponti.net> In-Reply-To: <20081116095044.17qwm4xct6bkwsc4w@intranet.casasponti.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (bal.bals.org [192.168.0.2]); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:10:53 -0500 (EST) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 192.168.0.2 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can rsync with ssh be used on a non standard ssh port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ronw@bals.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:33:47 -0000 On 11/16/2008 10:50 AM eculp@casasponti.net wrote: > I need to use rsync for backup to another machine using a nonstandard > port for ssh. 722. > > For example, when I test using my translation of the man pages: > > rsync [OPTION...] SRC... rsync://[USER@]HOST[:PORT]/DEST > > I use: > > rsync -avz /almacen/testDir rsync://backkup.net:722/backup/ > > the error generated is: > > rsync: server sent "SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.1p1 FreeBSD-20080901" rather than > greeting > rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at > main.c(1504) [sender=3.0.4] > I believe you want the -e option. Example from the man page: -e 'ssh -p 2234' In your case, rsync -e 'ssh -p 722' -avz ........ The [:PORT] you tried appears to be for connecting to an rsync daemon listening on a non-standard port. Ron From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 17:49:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138D81065670; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:49:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@rgbaz.eu) Received: from jasper.secsrv.net (jasper.secsrv.net [66.98.138.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E58638FC12; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:49:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@rgbaz.eu) Received: from [82.161.18.200] (helo=[10.0.1.104]) by jasper.secsrv.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1L1kv8-0002P1-HI; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:56:23 -0500 Message-Id: From: FBSD UG To: Brad Davis In-Reply-To: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:56:16 +0100 References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jasper.secsrv.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - rgbaz.eu X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:49:51 -0000 Great, very useful! Thanks a lot! gr Arno On 16 nov 2008, at 17:04, Brad Davis wrote: > Dear FreeBSD users, > > The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce > the > availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion forum. It is > our hope that this forum will serve as a public support channel for > FreeBSD users around the world and as a complement to our fine mailing > lists. > > You can register and start using our new service here: > > http://forums.FreeBSD.org > > The structure of the forum is still in a late beta stage, so if you > have > ideas, suggestions for improvements or bug reports, send them to: > forum-moderators at FreeBSD dot org. > > Please also have a look at our rules before you create your first > thread > or post your first message. You can find our official list of forum > rules here: > > http://forums.freebsd.org/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_rules > > Also, FreeBSD developers (people with commit access to our CVS/SVN > trees) > can be distinguished by having an '@' character at the end of their > username. > > It is our hope that both users and developers will find this new > service > useful. Please help spread the word. > > Sincerely, > The FreeBSD Forums Admin Team > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 18:33:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F154B106567C for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:33:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kritek@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f18.google.com (mail-qy0-f18.google.com [209.85.221.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 989938FC1C for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:33:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kritek@gmail.com) Received: by qyk11 with SMTP id 11so278097qyk.19 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:33:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=v0XOvUADYbMrjowOKV0nodbouiI04ABzIgUS/Pdl7MY=; b=fAc+5Rl/zccSuQ6QmRt7KT6TI5w+fH+Ned4h9VXu0Qy1uWUIMVccEKHgfKWwnsfaPF iELdfvEJwXLF3BZ+BzQxJ1O6UznqWblwD7GHs4IqLFytgY3oVoOM+SqQA8XjJVj0r6YO QnZMALdPfTtUVAPuxBVCTRyhmc/wkWYh6X+Y8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Nhp3PaHXK0YtWbAIoiGEagzuANm70LszeZiKZLBqsLeaMM+AXfHyQg8TVZi0sQsohv mOWnuIXVQpf6TP1wBAho//4gBd4rYFU5Zw94eZsI2azsA00vOz1sg1+iYmQLjOvIT94b bdIOECgUUOFcSiO6x7mOt0+/fo3nlEc73F64Q= Received: by 10.214.242.18 with SMTP id p18mr2054213qah.42.1226859134182; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:12:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.214.11.17 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:12:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:12:14 -0500 From: "R Dicaire" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: net-snmp port upgrade build error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:33:32 -0000 Hi folks, After updating ports tree with portsnap fetch update, then running pkg_version -l '<', pkg_version shows net-snmp is upgradable: pkg_version -l '<' net-snmp < pkg_replace net-snmp ---> Replacing 'net-snmp-5.3.2_3' with 'net-snmp-5.3.2.3' ---> Building '/usr/ports/net-mgmt/net-snmp53' You may use the following build options: WITH_INETADDRESS_HACK=yes builds with the inetaddress hack WITH_TKMIB=yes Install a graphical Perl/Tk/SNMP based mib browser WITHOUT_DUMMY_VALUES=yes Provide 'placeholder' dummy values where the necessary information is not available. WITHOUT_PERL=yes Do not install the perl modules along with the rest of the net-snmp toolkit. WITHOUT_IPV6=yes Disable IPv6. DEFAULT_SNMP_VERSION="3" Default version of SNMP to use. NET_SNMP_SYS_CONTACT="nobody@nowhere.invalid" Default system contact. NET_SNMP_SYS_LOCATION="somewhere" Default system location. NET_SNMP_LOGFILE="/var/log/snmpd.log" Default log file location for snmpd. NET_SNMP_PERSISTENTDIR="/var/net-snmp" Default directory for persistent data storage. NET_SNMP_MIB_MODULES="host disman/event-mib smux mibII/mta_sendmail mibII/tcpTable ucd-snmp/diskio" Optional mib modules that can be built into the agent ===> net-snmp-5.3.2.3 has known vulnerabilities: => net-snmp -- DoS for SNMP agent via crafted GETBULK request. Reference: => Please update your ports tree and try again. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/net-mgmt/net-snmp53. ** Command failed (exit code 1): make UPGRADE_PKG=net-snmp-5.3.2_3 UPGRADE_PKG_VER=5.3.2_3 ** Fix the problem and try again. ---> Processed 1: 0 done, 0 ignored, 0 skipped, 1 failed The port is trying to be upgraded with the same version as installed or? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 18:58:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD6B106568B; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:58:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C04568FC08; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:58:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAGIweRK026019; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:58:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAGIwdpH026016; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:58:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:58:39 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Brad Davis In-Reply-To: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> Message-ID: <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:58:48 -0000 > The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce the > availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion forum. It is > our hope that this forum will serve as a public support channel for > FreeBSD users around the world and as a complement to our fine mailing > lists. this will add lots of i...ts that are unable to configure mail program and subscribe. is having as much "users" as possible really good for FreeBSD? i don't think so. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 19:20:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B9B710656D2 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:20:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.165]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A9938FC18 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:20:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from [212.54.42.141] (port=49200 helo=smtp10.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L1nAW-0001ra-Q5; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:20:24 +0100 Received: from cp268254-a.landg1.lb.home.nl ([84.25.65.88] helo=ra.egypt.nl) by smtp10.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L1nAS-0001oW-W6; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:20:21 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (xp.egypt.nl [192.168.13.35]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3AFB39841; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:20:17 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <49207271.7030609@boosten.org> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:20:17 +0100 From: Peter Boosten User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1L1nAS-0001oW-W6 X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-0.741, required 5, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_20 -0.74, SPF_PASS -0.00) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: peter@boosten.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Brad Davis Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:20:26 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > this will add lots of i...ts that are unable to configure mail program > and subscribe. is having as much "users" as possible really good for > FreeBSD? i don't think so. There's no law or even a policy against i...ts using FreeBSD. If all people were specialists in FreeBSD, then no forum (or mailing lists) would be needed, right? Peter Forum = Good thing! -- http://www.boosten.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 19:27:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F25721065687; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:27:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42A2C8FC08; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:27:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAGJR0p6026160; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:27:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAGJR0gS026157; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:27:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:27:00 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Peter Boosten In-Reply-To: <49207271.7030609@boosten.org> Message-ID: <20081116202542.T26156@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207271.7030609@boosten.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Brad Davis Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:27:11 -0000 >> and subscribe. is having as much "users" as possible really good for >> FreeBSD? i don't think so. > > There's no law or even a policy against i...ts using FreeBSD. OF COURSE. but how usable such forum be for "specialists" (i mean just someone bit advanced)? will it be separate forum or integrated with THIS mailinglist? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 19:30:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA171065688 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:30:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robin@reportlab.com) Received: from pih-relay05.plus.net (pih-relay05.plus.net [212.159.14.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77C188FC19 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:30:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robin@reportlab.com) Received: from [87.114.67.131] (helo=[192.168.0.3]) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1L1nJw-0003aq-1t for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:30:08 +0000 Message-ID: <492074BD.2050806@jessikat.plus.net> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:30:05 +0000 From: Robin Becker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4920022D.4020102@jessikat.plus.net> <49200F5C.5070306@jessikat.plus.net> <20081116122434.GA1271@icarus.home.lan> In-Reply-To: <20081116122434.GA1271@icarus.home.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Plusnet-Relay: 0cae8643d267b787579f2bbc7c55ba45 Subject: Re: gcc-4.3.3 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:30:10 -0000 Jeremy Chadwick wrote: ......... >>> >>> Is there some way to make these libraries available without this? >> I think this is just a question of adding /usr/local/lib/gcc-4.3.3 to the ldconfig hints. At least when I ran >> >> ldconfig -R /usr/local/lib/gcc-4.3.3 >> >> things improved. > > The ports framework has support to do this automatically, so the > question is why it didn't happen. Could you file a PR on the matter? > yes. I looked in the makefile and it certainly has USE_LDCONFIG= ${TARGLIB} so I suppose the ldconfig stuff is supposed to get done. -- Robin Becker From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 19:33:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C5C51065674 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:33:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dfeustel@mindspring.com) Received: from QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4900C8FC12 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:33:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dfeustel@mindspring.com) Received: from OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fsox1a00R17UAYkAAvHCux; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:17:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([69.245.196.200]) by OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fvHA1a0054KuD458ZvHAaF; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:17:11 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=D0DFGvJz5_xm4eGlELUA:9 a=AHCyYzRL7qDWoM4YA8IA:7 a=CutpVlOAcfZZZme4XjrHjZvOtkQA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:27:05 -0500 From: Dave Feustel To: Dave Feustel Message-ID: <20081116192518.GA15412@mindspring.com> References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Brad Davis Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:33:12 -0000 On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 07:58:39PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce the >> availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion forum. It is >> our hope that this forum will serve as a public support channel for >> FreeBSD users around the world and as a complement to our fine mailing >> lists. > > this will add lots of i...ts that are unable to configure mail program > and subscribe. is having as much "users" as possible really good for > FreeBSD? i don't think so. I've tried both web forums and email lists. I have a strong preference for email lists as a means of getting answers to questions. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 19:54:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74DBF1065672 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:54:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 205388FC16 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:54:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fohF1a00D17dt5G5AveNfW; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:38:22 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([76.28.182.91]) by OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fveV1a00H1yjRxY3ZveWP4; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:38:31 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=54lCD9Ee6qtvptCYT0gA:9 a=4ggjjiuH5v_-vhsHX7EA:7 a=givhH6FMqU4kdIOWbN9w-3JNIgkA:4 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=YvKx7zeTAGcA:10 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:38:29 -0800 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:38:29 -0800 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081116193828.GB7878@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <491D59D3.8080809@spansurf.com> <20081114203914.W14337@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <491DDD56.1040001@ccstores.com> <20081114225626.GA56663@icarus.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081114225626.GA56663@icarus.home.lan> X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.x/OS X 10.5.x X-Composer: VIM 7.2 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:54:33 -0000 * Jeremy Chadwick [2008-11-14 14:56:26 -0800]: > But why are we interested in "converting" people? That >borders on religious, which an operating system should not be. > > >I'm not saying "we don't need new users" -- I'm saying: if we took half >the energy used "converting" people and applied it to fixing bugs and >improving FreeBSD, there wouldn't be a need to "convert". "Build it >(and secure/stabilise it) and they will come". Indeed, what IS the value of more users to a volunteer project like FreeBSD? Microsoft, Apple, etc. want more users on their OS because it increases their profits. But who gets more money if ten thousand users switch to FreeBSD? FreeBSD already has a large enough user base to attract the attention of developers deciding which platforms to target with their apps. But even if it didn't, it has a large developer community of its own, and they've done a great job porting apps, as well as creating new apps themselves. New users who are also developers can contribute to this effort, so it makes sense to actively recruit them. But why should we want to increase the number of ordinary, non-developer users? If these new users also contribute to the project, by working on documentation or other non-programming tasks, then it makes sense to actively recruit them too. Perhaps there's an implicit calculation that only x percent of new users will actually contribute to the project, so if you want/need C new contributors, you should aim to recruit N = C / x new users. Some of the comments in this thread have expressed one of the problems new users can bring: an expectation and demand that things work the way they used to on their old OS. People who voice these concerns want to preserve the Unix philosophy and culture, so they don't welcome immigrants who refuse to assimilate. They don't see those immigrants as potential contributors to the project; they see them as people who want to replace it with a different project altogether. ...which perhaps explains why some people want to impose something like a Unix citizenship test. Users can also contribute by helping to refine the requirements for software. For example, my son is an animator and he and I have often discussed various graphics tools. In his opinion, the Gimp is a powerful tool which provides almost every tool or technique an artist might want, but it's unusable because its user interface doesn't reflect the way artists actually do their work. He says this isn't just that they're used to Photoshop or whatever; there's something about the nature of the task that the Gimp fails to accommodate in a natural, effortless way. He says the Gimp feels like a tool designed by software engineers rather than artists. We need users like that, who aren't developers but who are experts in their own domain. How much of FreeBSD's strength as a server derives from the fact that so many of its users have been sysadmins with a keen awareness of the day-to-day problems in that domain? (It's also been an important fact that many of them are developers too.) So when new users appear and start requesting changes to make things more like the system they came from, we shouldn't automatically classify them as "unassimilable immigrants". We should try to understand what they're really looking for, and whether or how our current software supports it. It's especially important to understand why they left their old home. What was the need that inspired them to consider a change? How did their old OS fail to meet that need? Sometimes our answer to them is going to be, "No, sorry, our project isn't designed to do that" or "That isn't one of our project's goals." Maybe you should consider Project Y instead." There's nothing wrong with that kind of answer. It's coheres with the Unix philosophy of clarity of purpose (e.g., tools that do one thing and do it well.) So, in conclusion, we DON'T need new users because growing the userbase is good in itself. Sometimes growth is cancerous, and kills the body. We DO need new users insofar as they help us meet the goals of our project. (And sometimes new users suggest new goals for us to pursue.) -- Charlie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 20:04:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1BD1065672 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:04:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 333848FC0C for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:04:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id frAE1a0050lTkoCA9vuj5g; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:54:43 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([76.28.182.91]) by OMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fvuh1a00C1yjRxY8QvuibA; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:54:43 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zbbtOhnQul0EZ_Rr6TgA:9 a=GWBxtWQGRrmR-KwDwAq7mAPyTbQA:4 a=YvKx7zeTAGcA:10 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:54:41 -0800 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:54:41 -0800 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081116195441.GC7878@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <491D59D3.8080809@spansurf.com> <1226700024.22782.30.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081114223200.GA4293@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081114163902.17qwm4xct4bkg4o0w@intranet.casasponti.net> <1226812887.8307.16.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1226812887.8307.16.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.x/OS X 10.5.x X-Composer: VIM 7.2 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:04:47 -0000 * Da Rock [2008-11-16 15:21:27 +1000]: > >The reason for sending the OP to linux first is they will not be >deterred by the driver and hardware issues. Linux IS easier in this way, >and has a greater support for hardware that is used outside of a server >environment. It also allows them to learn the *nix methodology and >software. To the extent that Linux succeeds in making things "just work", it will prevent or at least delay the user's learning the Unix way. Most of us got our Unix knowledge the old-fashioned way: we earned it. We stumbled over one problem or another and fought our way through to a solution. When things "just work", only the technically curious will explore beneath the hood to see exactly how they work. Maybe we shouldn't make it a goal that every user should have that kind of deep-water knowledge? Should it really be a goal that every user become familiar with the shell and commandline tools? Why not let them live happily ever after in a point-and-click world? -- Charlie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 20:06:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 409F91065674 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:06:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kritek@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED09E8FC0A for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:06:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kritek@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so1405024qwb.7 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:06:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=9XthVxgm74g+0yi1bWsJoPplGqrjwwVkKxe/ljRoDgg=; b=pGpyjr3cXzJ/K06/p/ZZZPV1670XOlsCdTuJVT9nZgxh1jR5zCs2Acyoxf3r+FcCTM 8oU+8Ut+zSFxUWgg64UG05fwQOpR0KEOMwYvbDXl2bM5PJS+ccqeqTVMEWMMvk9ka+hy UoNB5PRz7bN6emBWKeMPolZBbpdxNHdusG9J8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=I4e8OXFQQDAi+4FepevDoS4pPECVa1ZkWdYpB5IZ6Poa3x19q5boytDJfHIGQGfAxf QRSMByWNwtih3Y1mPQ5bS7H0531RRYni2obHGeSGEV7F5y9nbxaRwYPYjI9mCT/PEMx5 jmOLIodDBEoxbJiypIqSIfQAYWYU+SyTFBhq8= Received: by 10.214.80.1 with SMTP id d1mr2015078qab.288.1226865968243; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:06:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.214.11.17 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:06:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:06:08 -0500 From: "R Dicaire" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081116193828.GB7878@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <491D59D3.8080809@spansurf.com> <20081114203914.W14337@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <491DDD56.1040001@ccstores.com> <20081114225626.GA56663@icarus.home.lan> <20081116193828.GB7878@comcast.net> Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:06:09 -0000 On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Charlie Kester wrote: > Users can also contribute by helping to refine the requirements for > software. For example, my son is an animator and he and I have often > discussed various graphics tools. In his opinion, the Gimp is a > powerful tool which provides almost every tool or technique an artist > might want, but it's unusable because its user interface doesn't reflect > the way artists actually do their work. He says this isn't just that > they're used to Photoshop or whatever; there's something about the > nature of the task that the Gimp fails to accommodate in a natural, > effortless way. He says the Gimp feels like a tool designed by software > engineers rather than artists. Interesting analogy, and your overall point makes sense. Here's a question regarding the attitude towards moves to new software and the expectation it behave like $OTHER_PROGRAM. Photoshop had to be learned to be used initially. The questions are, does a user *want* to spend the time to learn a new interface? What do they gain by doing so? Is there a commercial drive behind the change? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 20:07:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC8031065674 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:07:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95C9A8FC12 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:07:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFBC2AFC1C6; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:07:12 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, gerardon_paredes@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:06:32 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <279800.62396.qm@web65607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <279800.62396.qm@web65607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811162106.33773.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: Subject: Re: make doesn't know how to make KERNCONF X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:07:13 -0000 On Friday 14 November 2008 20:31:28 Gerardo Paredes wrote: > Hello, i have a problem compiling a custom kernel on a AMD 850 MHZ > Processor, however on the last stage it fails with the following message: > > > make doesn't know how to make KERNCONF > > > the command i run is: > > cd /usr/src > make buildkernel KERNCONF=MIO The most likely cause is that you typed make buildkernel KERNCONF =MIO, with a space between KERNCONF and the = sign. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 20:16:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D2D4106564A; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:16:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4F8A8FC12; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:16:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mAGKG7Go060467; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:16:08 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.7.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk mAGKG7Go060467 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1226866568; bh=4ODnkayAAAV0Ao P0lY8chpyQo8hv7ukQsJGyNeUfOM8=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version: To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type: Date:From:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Mes sage-ID:=20<49207F81.7090502@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20Sun,=2 016=20Nov=202008=2020:16:01=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman=20|Organization:=20Infracaninophile|User -Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.17=20(X11/20080929)|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20Wojciech=20Puchar=20|CC:=2 0Peter=20Boosten=20,=20freebsd-questions@freebsd .org,=20=0D=0A=20Brad=20Davis=20|Subject:=20Re:=20 Official=20FreeBSD=20Forums|References:=20<20081116160428.GD79046@v alentine.liquidneon.com>=09<20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdy nia.pl>=09<49207271.7030609@boosten.org>=20<20081116202542.T26156@w ojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>|In-Reply-To:=20<20081116202542.T26156@wojte k.tensor.gdynia.pl>|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content-Type:=20mu ltipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"appl ication/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig1443B 2C41766E75BA9AD7E0F"; b=lbZeRz7/t/BcoyyfPy3dYaQcZdK8j6ymavnHuGpwzoy IA6BBKIquA3YoUImNRs8sgiBPpQHh7g+DL6vjRKvCnE2xdMOcncylaPqCetANJ+/YL7 YyzWxGBRdx+HR2fCiDdpknpOJVcxEJor1uvb5DWrgf12eNgeiilAg0/bojC0o= Message-ID: <49207F81.7090502@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:16:01 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080929) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207271.7030609@boosten.org> <20081116202542.T26156@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: <20081116202542.T26156@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig1443B2C41766E75BA9AD7E0F" X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:16:08 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.1/8636/Sat Nov 15 05:05:47 2008 on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Brad Davis , Peter Boosten Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:16:23 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig1443B2C41766E75BA9AD7E0F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> and subscribe. is having as much "users" as possible really good for >>> FreeBSD? i don't think so. >> >> There's no law or even a policy against i...ts using FreeBSD. >=20 > OF COURSE. but how usable such forum be for "specialists" (i mean just = > someone bit advanced)? >=20 > will it be separate forum or integrated with THIS mailinglist? It's independent of the mailing lists -- there's a feed of the News=20 articles that appear here: http://www.freebsd.org/news/newsflash.html plus Security Advisories and (I think) Errata notices from the RSS=20 channels on the web site, but that's about it. So far. Having a larger user-base is definitely a good thing. That means=20 attracting complete beginners by what ever means work, since today's Noob is potentially tomorrow's elite Kernel programmer. If the FreeBSD=20 project can make itself accessible through all of the sort of web-based=20 tools now generally popular, so much the better for the future of the=20 project. Not that I expect the forums to consist entirely of questions on the=20 level of 'Which one is the "any" key?' So far the standard of questions=20 and answers appears to be at least on a par with the general traffic on=20 this list. Early days yet but the auguries are good.=20 Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig1443B2C41766E75BA9AD7E0F Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkkgf4cACgkQ8Mjk52CukIwvMgCfel/DIXwCY5H6d3lFT6OjygqD eo4An0nEr0mpl3YQ8Z/9sPjqY57ZputF =v2Qf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig1443B2C41766E75BA9AD7E0F-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 20:16:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03ACC1065730 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:16:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eagletree@hughes.net) Received: from smtprelay.b.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0252.b.hostedemail.com [64.98.42.252]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B44588FC13 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:16:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eagletree@hughes.net) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (b-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay01.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7283617A3406 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:16:35 +0000 (UTC) X-SpamScore: 1 X-Spam-Summary: 2, 0, 0, 96bf409ef91a4224, 9510f55e4507d164, eagletree@hughes.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, RULES_HIT:355:379:541:564:599:601:946:966:967:973:980:988:989:1042:1260:1261:1277:1311:1313:1314:1345:1359:1437:1515:1516:1518:1534:1541:1593:1594:1711:1730:1747:1766:1792:1981:2196:2198:2199:2200:2393:2525:2551:2553:2559:2563:2682:2685:2857:2859:2933:2937:2939:2942:2945:2947:2951:2954:3022:3027:3352:3865:3867:3868:3869:3871:3872:3873:3874:3876:3877:3934:3936:3938:3941:3944:3947:3950:3953:3956:3959:4250:4385:4699:4860:5007:6114:6119:7652:7679:7903:8501:9010:9025:9388, 0, RBL:none, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk, SPF:, MSBL:none, DNSBL:none Received: from [192.168.0.3] (dpc6744118153.direcpc.com [67.44.118.153]) (Authenticated sender: eagletree@hughes.net) by omf07.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:16:29 +0000 (UTC) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <200811162106.33773.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> References: <279800.62396.qm@web65607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <200811162106.33773.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Pratt Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:16:22 -0800 To: FreeBSD-Questions Questions X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-session-marker: 6561676C6574726565406875676865732E6E6574 Subject: Re: make doesn't know how to make KERNCONF X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:16:37 -0000 On Nov 16, 2008, at 12:06 PM, Mel wrote: > On Friday 14 November 2008 20:31:28 Gerardo Paredes wrote: >> Hello, i have a problem compiling a custom kernel on a AMD 850 MHZ >> Processor, however on the last stage it fails with the following >> message: >> >> >> make doesn't know how to make KERNCONF >> >> >> the command i run is: >> >> cd /usr/src >> make buildkernel KERNCONF=MIO > > The most likely cause is that you typed make buildkernel KERNCONF > =MIO, with a > space between KERNCONF and the = sign. I thought that initially too and I tried that to reproduce his situation using that typo. It came up with: ERROR: Missing kernel configuration file(s) (GENERIC). rather than the error he reports. This was on a 6.2 test box though. > -- > Mel > > Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules > and never get to the software part. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 21:01:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B38F1065670; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:01:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B618D8FC0C; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:01:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAGL1MQm026672; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:01:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAGL1M8I026669; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:01:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:01:22 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Matthew Seaman In-Reply-To: <49207F81.7090502@infracaninophile.co.uk> Message-ID: <20081116220055.P26668@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207271.7030609@boosten.org> <20081116202542.T26156@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207F81.7090502@infracaninophile.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Brad Davis , Peter Boosten Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:01:35 -0000 > > It's independent of the mailing lists -- there's a feed of the News articles that's fine - just i've checked it. i was scared it will be webinterface to this mailing list. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 21:21:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 878841065679 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:21:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jguojun@gmail.com) Received: from smtp117.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (smtp117.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [69.147.64.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 573678FC17 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:21:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jguojun@gmail.com) Received: (qmail 8867 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2008 21:21:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.14?) (jguojun@75.37.2.43 with plain) by smtp117.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2008 21:21:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QESFeQkVM1mr0EnDpQoxke59ut1H7VCXsikGqKa3qiTaSqZc5Gia29L53cApYNw4VrmyankZtN5iKkLVdTgehFky5QK01LLIhb_OGIW4gbdzXVWjHsU_iO_xFkSFik879UJEl1Gfx4rPoMlUldBF9owMzkdoICmQl6kNfOPU.sFqodda7lP4E8mmIZaT X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <49208ECC.5020008@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:21:16 -0800 From: "Jin Guojun[VFF]" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20071201 X-Accept-Language: en, zh, zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ian Smith References: <491F413A.4020108@gmail.com> <20081115223556.GA45503@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <491F54A0.9090702@gmail.com> <491F6466.40309@gmail.com> <20081116224655.J70117@sola.nimnet.asn.au> In-Reply-To: <20081116224655.J70117@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ipfw@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: some ipfw filter does not function under Release 6.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:21:22 -0000 Ian Smith wrote: >On Sat, 15 Nov 2008, Jin Guojun[VFF] wrote: > > > I think this is a bug in ipfw because after change the rule order, the > > problem persists: > > 00566 26 3090 deny ip from 221.192.199.36 to any > > 65330 2018 983473 allow tcp from any to any established > > 65535 0 0 deny ip from any to any > >Are you saying that the packets shown below from 221.192.199.36 arrived >=after= you added rule 566, which denys all traffic from that address? > >Are you showing us your entire ruleset; it is just those three rules? > >Is the tcpdump shown running on the same box as ipfw, or another box? > >If another box, how is it connected through the firewall, to the net? > >Which machine performs NAT for your network? None of this is obvious. > >Please show output of 'ifconfig' and 'netstat -rn' on the ipfw box? > > Let's clear this little bit. Above rule order actually worked after machine is rebooted. I do not know whay it was not working when changed rule 65330 from 00330. This may be another bug. But again, after rebooting the machine, this rule order works. This demonstrates that rule order 00330 did not block the Sync packet as it supposed to do. You also mentioned and confirmed it should do in this way below, ---------- working order --------- 00566 26 3090 deny ip from 221.192.199.36 to any 65330 2018 983473 allow tcp from any to any established 65535 0 0 deny ip from any to any ---------- Non working order --------- 00330 2018 983473 allow tcp from any to any established 00566 0 0 deny ip from 221.192.199.36 to any 65535 0 0 deny ip from any to any -------------------------------------------------- > > In general the first matching rule is the one that is applied. > > In your case this means that if a packet matches your rule 330 then > > it will be allowed through, and the rules further down the list will > > not be considered. > >Erik is right; you'll have to deny unwanted traffic before allowing the >established traffic. 'established' here really means 'not setup', ie >not SYN-only packets; ipfw doesn't track TCP sessions, the stack does. > > We see this (Sync only packet) passed through, so this is the problem. Because once Sync packet is passed through, the receiver will respond Sync/ACK, then attacker knows the machine is in service. >People can send bogus established packets, and though they won't have a >socket to connect to, they're still inbound traffic you have to receive >to even block, which can consume bandwidth and perhaps money. > > We saw this too, from 221.192.199.36, but I did not complain for this. Becasue we do not bother since receiving machine will not respond it. Attacker also sends bogus Reset packets, and the FreeBSD ignores it too. So, this is not the problem. >Sometimes these are a result of someone sending TCP setup packets to >some other host, with the source address forged as yours .. you get the >SYN+ACK packets, which do pass as established through ipfw. It's >possible that the host you see as attacking you may itself be victim .. > >Yes, did I read your PR .. no sign of that host here so far, so it might >just be scanning networks a bit closer to home: > >http://www.iptools.com/dnstools.php?tool=ipwhois&user_data=221.192.199.36&submit=Go > > It does not matter if this is a fake machine or victim machine, ipfw should always block it as instructed to do so. We cannot give it mercy and let it pass through becasue it is a victim. Otherwise, we will be the victim :-) That is why I filed PR for problem for rule order 00330-00566-65535. I did not say rule order 00566-65330-65535 is the problem in the PR. Hopefully, this makes clear. BTW, the ipfw machine is the gateway (between WAN-LAN). Rest machines are behind it on LAN. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 21:39:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0EB71065687 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:39:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af300wsm@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5F718FC0C for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:39:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af300wsm@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so2060603rvf.43 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:39:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:message-id; bh=KqEHXuyISaavEoCJTvYBWyVWVzHDeZWttCsOFNwGnW8=; b=KcuBVYf5R33syv4OHj6iueQs8kvmRBEOgcF5BEjxtqzs3vX0Hcipu5K6F6uveOBAor vpVJXntoJNXnsGO7jU9GAYnQolLYHIyWu4jUp6lNivCO/rHh/jL1FJBlUPRgQqJXFeR+ VubnBj5mmTI62/T6NIaCwH9vLK8bksXIQNwEg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; b=VAExIy6WzX04RDMNGoW4XeSFENnplPPANA/lHtujPgHz8fTG0I7Lc23bF2m8VwGw+e Pb3DDR3CJ0nYZXyMqTEJleGRpH61e2unvE6cDn/NR2BkGIbXB2Z7Ux7lyzYnx/XbhZSv XIzs4NPzU3gbcYmha41yEOZ7AhAXKbxkMxSuk= Received: by 10.141.116.17 with SMTP id t17mr1840090rvm.239.1226871589468; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:39:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from sniper (71-221-161-116.bois.qwest.net [71.221.161.116]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l31sm7719076rvb.2.2008.11.16.13.39.48 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:39:49 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Falanga To: FreeBSD Questions Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:38:40 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811161438.40592.af300wsm@gmail.com> Subject: Installing HP LaserJet 4+ in CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:39:50 -0000 Hi, I finally "bit the bullet" as it were and switched from amd64 to i386 (too many programs I couldn't run, such as flashplayer and the nvidia drivers). Anyway, I'm getting things going again and I remember that I had to install a printer driver from ports for my HP LJ 4+ but I can't remember what it was. Could someone here please refresh my memory? Thanks, Andy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 21:41:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7412C106567A for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:41:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB35E8FC13 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:41:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAGLfSBO026791; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:41:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAGLfRHk026788; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:41:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:41:27 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Charlie Kester In-Reply-To: <20081116193828.GB7878@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20081116222222.J26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <491D59D3.8080809@spansurf.com> <20081114203914.W14337@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <491DDD56.1040001@ccstores.com> <20081114225626.GA56663@icarus.home.lan> <20081116193828.GB7878@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:41:39 -0000 >> improving FreeBSD, there wouldn't be a need to "convert". "Build it >> (and secure/stabilise it) and they will come". > > Indeed, what IS the value of more users to a volunteer project like > FreeBSD? to some level - better driver support. but windows-converters-seeking-for-nicer-windows don't write drivers. this level is OK, more users can make only harm. exactly what happened with linux. as heavyweight "sponsors" did. they pay but request not just adding drivers but to add strange-but-trendy features and solutions that take system's quality down quickly. exactly that happened to NetBSD. i recently installed newest NetBSD version just to look at it. it was damn slow and even slower under high load!! not mentioning linux that got just billion$ total sposoring from IBM. > Microsoft, Apple, etc. want more users on their OS because it increases > their profits. But who gets more money if ten thousand users switch to > FreeBSD? we - don't FreeBSD developers may get, but not much more than now. but the danger of getting "heavyweight sponsor" is increasing. > FreeBSD already has a large enough user base to attract the attention of > developers deciding which platforms to target with their apps. But even > if it didn't, it has a large developer community of its own, and they've > done a great job porting apps, as well as creating new apps themselves. New exactly. more users means more developers only to some amount!! myself for example. i don't classify myself as expert, but IMHO i know more about unix than 80-90% people on that list, and i did no contribution except few sent-pr, some with patches!! will adding 10 times more less-than-average skilled people help at all? No - only make more mess, and will drive experienced unix users AWAY from FreeBSD just after reading that lists. And yes - we WANT users of other unix-like systems to switch to FreeBSD just because it's one of the best (if not the best) unix in the world. And they WILL help making it even better. > But why should we want to increase the number of ordinary, non-developer > users? we should NOT! i write EVERY TIME about it. > documentation or other non-programming tasks, then it makes sense to > actively recruit them too. is there much work needed on documentation. it's EXCELLENT, contrary to linux with huge user base! > software. For example, my son is an animator and he and I have often > discussed various graphics tools. In his opinion, the Gimp is a discussion about gimp and photoshop is OFF TOPIC. it's not FreeBSD specific. maybe discussion about gimp FreeBSD port - yes, but not about gimp itself and about it's pluses and minuses. it's bad that over 50% of topics on that list (or more) are OFF TOPIC. this list should have a moderator. someone that will just keep this list on-topic. no questions like "how to do this and this in KDE" or "is program A better than program B", but questions like "why KDE works faster/slower than under linux" or "why program A's function X crashes on FreeBSD, while working fine under Solaris" or "i wrote program for linux some time ago. i want it to compile on FreeBSD, but i use XXXX library function that doesn't exist/work different on FreeBSD. what should i do?" this list NEEDS A MODERATOR. DEFINITELY. Even high skilled people keeps such off-topic thread going, because they want help someone. but it make a complete mess. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 21:42:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95A48106568B for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:42:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB56F8FC1D for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:42:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAGLghap026804; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:42:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAGLgg88026801; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:42:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:42:42 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: R Dicaire In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081116224152.P26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <491D59D3.8080809@spansurf.com> <20081114203914.W14337@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <491DDD56.1040001@ccstores.com> <20081114225626.GA56663@icarus.home.lan> <20081116193828.GB7878@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:42:50 -0000 > > Interesting analogy, and your overall point makes sense. Here's a > question regarding the attitude towards moves to new software and the > expectation it behave like $OTHER_PROGRAM. Photoshop had to be learned exactly. for experienced gimp user moving to photoshop will not be easy too. but it's completely off topic. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 21:44:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4FE61065697 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:44:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E93988FC0A for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:44:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAGLimlm026824; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:44:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAGLilAl026821; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:44:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:44:47 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Robin Becker In-Reply-To: <4920022D.4020102@jessikat.plus.net> Message-ID: <20081116224343.Y26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4920022D.4020102@jessikat.plus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gcc-4.3.3 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:44:55 -0000 > unfortunately the modification requires a newer version of GCC so I have > installed gcc version 4.3.3 from ports. > > When I try to run my make command I'm seeing this error > > *** WARNING: renaming "_codecs_hk" since importing it failed: Shared object > "libgcc_s.so.1" > > I see that the gcc 4.3.3 libs were installed in /usr/local/lib/gcc-4.3.3 and > I can get things to work by setting up the appropriate -L option and > LD_LIBRARY_PATH. > > Is there some way to make these libraries available without this? look at /usr/local/libdata/ldconfig/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 21:49:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C2091065672 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:49:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghirai@ghirai.com) Received: from ghirai.com (ghirai.com [195.74.52.87]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A628FC16 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:49:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghirai@ghirai.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ghirai.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0D90D16F2A; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:49:42 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:49:50 +0200 From: Ghirai To: Andrew Falanga Message-Id: <20081116234950.b12e1f4a.ghirai@ghirai.com> In-Reply-To: <200811161438.40592.af300wsm@gmail.com> References: <200811161438.40592.af300wsm@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Installing HP LaserJet 4+ in CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:49:54 -0000 On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:38:40 -0700 Andrew Falanga wrote: > Hi, > > I finally "bit the bullet" as it were and switched from amd64 to i386 > (too many programs I couldn't run, such as flashplayer and the nvidia > drivers). Anyway, I'm getting things going again and I remember that > I had to install a printer driver from ports for my HP LJ 4+ but I > can't remember what it was. Could someone here please refresh my > memory? > > Thanks, > Andy Maybe /usr/ports/print/hplip? -- Regards, Ghirai. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 21:53:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7307C106567D; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:53:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B1E98FC08; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:53:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAGLrdMO026849; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:53:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAGLradS026846; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:53:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:53:36 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jerry McAllister In-Reply-To: <20081116142018.GA18047@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Message-ID: <20081116224509.B26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <491D59D3.8080809@spansurf.com> <20081114203914.W14337@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <491DDD56.1040001@ccstores.com> <20081114225626.GA56663@icarus.home.lan> <20081115011836.N16077@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116020345.GB15841@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081116125716.E24752@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116142018.GA18047@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Jeremy Chadwick , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:53:46 -0000 > Still it goes, the OP is trying to get away from MS-Win, not find some > non-MS clone in EVERY such post i see exactly opposite. they want windoze clones! they don't ask about how to learn unix, what to read, they didn't read even basic manuals, or if so - just glanced. actually - there is a market niche for true non-microsoft windoze clone! it's strange noone try to fill it. it's millions of $ to earn! something working like windoze, running windoze .exe/.dll binaries and windows compatible installer but for example not requiring gig of RAM, powerful CPU running 10 times faster (not difficult to achieve) etc... i remember many years ago installing linux first time (linux was quite good that time). i spent 2 months on it reading everything needed and learning BEFORE asking questions on mailing lists! because i knew nothing about unix at first. I knew only DOS and windoze 95 before, DOS isn't an OS at all, but that is adventage too. but i needed something that made full use of my 25Mhz 486. Windoze definitely wasn't good in it. it just wasted hardware resources giving nothing. that's why i tried to seek something different. and found linux.. after some time NetBSD, then FreeBSD. today - most of these wannabe-FreeBSD-users just don't want to pay for windoze. nothing else! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 21:56:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4939F1065765; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:56:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126D78FC08; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:56:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAGLuUCv026874; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:56:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAGLuSID026871; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:56:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:56:28 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Matthew Seaman In-Reply-To: <49207F81.7090502@infracaninophile.co.uk> Message-ID: <20081116225359.G26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207271.7030609@boosten.org> <20081116202542.T26156@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207F81.7090502@infracaninophile.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Brad Davis , Peter Boosten Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:56:41 -0000 > Having a larger user-base is definitely a good thing. That means attracting NO IT IS NOT! > complete beginners by what ever means work, since today's > Noob is potentially tomorrow's elite Kernel programmer. At first he must be programmer at all. you can learn programming in any OS, even that bad as windoze. if he/she is really smart then he/she will quickly search for some real OS after learning just basics of programming. and THEN try FreeBSD or other unix. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 21:57:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 257F11065670 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:57:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 641358FC1C for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:57:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAGLvWl3026887; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:57:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAGLvVpF026884; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:57:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:57:31 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jerry McAllister In-Reply-To: <20081116020702.GC15841@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Message-ID: <20081116225651.H26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <491D59D3.8080809@spansurf.com> <1226700024.22782.30.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081115011731.K16077@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116020702.GC15841@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Da Rock , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:57:55 -0000 >> simply reading FreeBSD handbook will be the best move for the beginning. >> >> But it is NOT windoze replacement. > > It is if you put it on the system instead of MS-Win stuff. > It will totally replace it if you use fdisk to create a FreeBSD slice no need for slices. i don't create slices on any system. > and then partition that slice and install FreeBSD. Win will be totally > gone and the user will be merrily using something better. > > Of course, if the user had said he wanted something like Vista to > run on his machine, then it wouldn't fit that category. But that is > not what he said. but exactly what he expected. and you know this. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 22:17:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C078B1065673 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:17:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84E078FC12 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:17:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-26-78.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.26.78]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 489B2505A8; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:17:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mAGMHP1j002306; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:17:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:17:25 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Andrew Falanga Message-Id: <20081116231725.a03311ff.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <200811161438.40592.af300wsm@gmail.com> References: <200811161438.40592.af300wsm@gmail.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Installing HP LaserJet 4+ in CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:17:29 -0000 On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:38:40 -0700, Andrew Falanga wrote: > Anyway, I'm getting things going again and I remember that I had to install a > printer driver from ports for my HP LJ 4+ but I can't remember what it was. > Could someone here please refresh my memory? As far as I remember, you can use the "normal" HP Laserjet 4 PCL or PS drivers (in case the 4+ is PS capable, but PCL 5 won't be a problem for it). I've used a LJ4 with apsfilter for a very long time happily, now using a LJ4000 with the same driver. I'm not convinced that there's a special driver neccessary, but maybe you'll find something in CUPS + foomatic (from ports). -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 22:40:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B001065694 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:40:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) Received: from anthesphoria.net (anthesphoria.net [200.46.204.219]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F07F8FC28 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:40:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) X-Bogosity: No, tests=bogofilter X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.4.1 anthesphoria.net mAGMdg7h026781 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=anthesphoria.net; s=phero; t=1226875197; bh=zzFtFZQLZxUhh6q6LjxEiPVVYbEG2XQBN/bTl0EkO QU=; l=2870; h=X-Bogosity:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:X-Face:X-Operating-System: X-OpenPGP-Fingerprint:X-OpenPGP-Preferred-Keyserver:Mime-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hqi7ewB0eUtQXK3RyqmEYCB8 rPRQOUfX6jUR9DOSxROWP1U4qQfBVr9zeUvMczEFC1QhGDWyPR+MYbw2/PbPf2qeI9o W21QJ2gGP4pmq8NDsDhUF6BPSe6uAe918wI/GUpQV4wELRVFAOGi5uZM7VCqiGicHIz 0SwfuswNMtZvs= Received: from anthesphoria.net (adsl-200-199.eunet.yu [213.198.200.199]) (authenticated bits=0) by anthesphoria.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAGMdg7h026781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:39:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:36:12 +0100 From: Nikola =?UTF-8?B?TGXEjWnEhw==?= To: freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de Message-ID: <20081116233612.64f69f10@anthesphoria.net> In-Reply-To: <20081116160827.6b83b153@fabiankeil.de> References: <20081115084600.GA4998@thought.org> <20081115123726.GA32845@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20081115134714.1537e2bc@fabiankeil.de> <20081115134600.GA38127@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20081115172323.23093dd2@anthesphoria.net> <20081116160827.6b83b153@fabiankeil.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) X-Face: pbl6-.[$G'Fi(Ogs2xlXP-V6{3||$Y[LOYs&~GJoikj'cVjcFC[V7du;;0~6nO= [Vi2?uU1Pq~,=Adj@,T:|"`$AF~il]J.Nz#2pU',Y7.{B;m/?{#sO^Dvo$rnmY6] X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE/i386 X-OpenPGP-Fingerprint: FEF3 66AF C90E EDC3 D878 7CDC 956D F4AB A377 1C9B X-OpenPGP-Preferred-Keyserver: x-hkp://pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: "High Noonn" DVD?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:40:02 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:08:27 +0100 Fabian Keil wrote: =20 > Nikola Le=C4=8Di=C4=87 wrote: >=20 > > On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:46:00 +0100 > > Roland Smith wrote: > >=20 > > > OK, that's nice to know. All the DVDs that I have play fine with > > > mplayer, but they're probably all region 2 disks. So I should be > > > able to play region 1 disks with mplayer? > >=20 > > That's exactly what I am trying to do at this moment, with no > > success. I'm in the region 2 and I set my DVD drive accordingly > > (with a small C programme). Now I got some region 1 DVDs and > > libdvdcss is not sufficient as such. >=20 > Which programs did you try? > Do you get an error message? I tried mplayer, vlc and ogle and experienced the same symptoms like when this DVD drive was in virgin state (with no region-code set) and when I tried to play normal region 2 DVD, which means: * vlc - no output at all * mplayer - sound ok, video scrambled in colourful squares, producing a lot of errors like this: a52: CRC check failed! 0.046 ct: -0.029 21/ 18 11% 1% 23.4% 0 0=20 a52: error at resampling A: 1.5 V: 1.7 A-V: -0.197 ct: -0.036 23/ 20 11% 0% 22.8% 0 0=20 demux_mpg: 24000/1001fps progressive NTSC content detected, switching frame= rate. a52: CRC check failed! 0.045 ct: 0.100 34/30 ??% ??% ??,?% 0 0 a52: erro= r at resampling * ogle - the flood of these kernel messages with syslogd eating a lot of CPU: Nov 16 22:21:58 black kernel: acd0: setting up DMA failed Nov 16 22:21:58 black kernel: ata2: FAILURE - non aligned DMA transfer atte= mpted After setting the region of my DVD drive to 2, I never experienced such errors (after uncountable number of local DVDs) until I got there region 1 ones. That's why I was so confident that libdvdcss is a problem. > Can you rip the disc with vobcopy? No, the same as with ogle. > Did you try playing or ripping the discs on a GNU/Linux system? Hmm, my home is currently FreeBSD-only. :-) But I managed to try it and - -- yes, it works. Strange. In the light of your post about LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1S 9L08, is it possible that DVD drive causes all these problems? - --=20 Nikola Le=C4=8Di=C4=87 =3D =D0=9D=D0=B8=D0=BA=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=B0 =D0=9B=D0= =B5=D1=87=D0=B8=D1=9B fingerprint : FEF3 66AF C90E EDC3 D878 7CDC 956D F4AB A377 1C9B ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iJwEAQEDAAYFAkkgoGAACgkQ/MM/0rYIoZgWgAP/W6bb0u0RgxOL2FfMME3PVdQN 71hTZ7UbVWmfmNlQsySPZUHGUBe8QhJ94k8Ug2Bu383ikUNLuPGMXXRF3YCazcMD pHT2XL+uyDdpOkbJCcKYGUplkf74dEPmVsBuXT7qnRQ5LKcn9UxvZvMktm1d+b5F SgCSjx6+6waNnm3CiFI=3D =3DlK2s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 22:42:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E052106564A for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:42:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leadamc1@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2D3B8FC0C for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:42:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leadamc1@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so2076587rvf.43 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:42:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=3qTnVpNmzSJbgOGhHxgdXc2eTEVfhKe+OzcJd4NSz90=; b=oPV6YbIVOqycak0/tBg92fQBpfTTLaO4o8T4r9wghLfum6Fk3ScZgDu4hrkcl/DqOE pA+a2DI3bKXDa9Yx5zKOKpTLyOmr449cNYxt4FJ1S2blXZGAL4Gnochwf43TECRq2oIN oIQn6KY/RJnvsE9mKoAfeEb3vnwZfNIT5cvhs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=UUZnc0F4WdARN5qwZrAu/kkZN8CuZGJQqruFCCsQNK04dygi72xw3xPIpZY7Vz2iFP tu1JD+tfNJWK1Nwkq7ady3OfFrRR6eR+5H4UBDL6Ih89UEYyKd0YB4jHSIvm4UElREkH wZEefVeBAbL22hstkQnuEvUsvgHJuAui3irGc= Received: by 10.140.201.21 with SMTP id y21mr1865349rvf.102.1226873572982; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:12:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.105.19 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:12:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:42:52 +1030 From: "Lei Chen" To: "FBSD UG" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Brad Davis Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:42:26 -0000 On 11/17/08, FBSD UG wrote: > Great, very useful! > > Thanks a lot! > > gr > Arno There was a bsdforums.org before, and closed down, and now http://daemonforums.org, I don't see the point of having an official forum from freebsd. If for announcement purpose, a dynamic webpage should do just fine. Totally my own idea > On 16 nov 2008, at 17:04, Brad Davis wrote: > > Dear FreeBSD users, >> >> The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce the >> availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion forum. It is >> our hope that this forum will serve as a public support channel for >> FreeBSD users around the world and as a complement to our fine mailing >> lists. >> >> You can register and start using our new service here: >> >> http://forums.FreeBSD.org >> >> The structure of the forum is still in a late beta stage, so if you have >> ideas, suggestions for improvements or bug reports, send them to: >> forum-moderators at FreeBSD dot org. >> >> Please also have a look at our rules before you create your first thread >> or post your first message. You can find our official list of forum >> rules here: >> >> http://forums.freebsd.org/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_rules >> >> Also, FreeBSD developers (people with commit access to our CVS/SVN trees) >> can be distinguished by having an '@' character at the end of their >> username. >> >> It is our hope that both users and developers will find this new service >> useful. Please help spread the word. >> >> Sincerely, >> The FreeBSD Forums Admin Team >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- -- l_. (l-l3n From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 22:51:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6910106564A for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:51:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA4508FC1C for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:51:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fv1C1a00117UAYkA2yrKNW; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:51:19 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([76.28.182.91]) by OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fyrH1a0031yjRxY8ZyrHDu; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:51:18 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=MoXWQQMxGhIxD0H28_sA:9 a=CGo6eDSGlH1ZCXJuvDwA:7 a=apA3iLv389_qrcLYrtkjWjGyRyUA:4 a=YvKx7zeTAGcA:10 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:51:16 -0800 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:51:16 -0800 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081116225116.GA70089@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <491D59D3.8080809@spansurf.com> <20081114203914.W14337@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <491DDD56.1040001@ccstores.com> <20081114225626.GA56663@icarus.home.lan> <20081116193828.GB7878@comcast.net> <20081116222222.J26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081116222222.J26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.x/OS X 10.5.x X-Composer: VIM 7.2 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:51:19 -0000 * Wojciech Puchar [2008-11-16 22:41:27 +0100]: > discussion about gimp and photoshop is OFF TOPIC. Agreed. I introduced it as an EXAMPLE of one way a new user might contribute a valuable perspective and therefore why we might want to recruit him into the FreeBSD community. I do NOT want to see a discussion of the Gimp versus Photoshop. I *do* want to see a discussion of the FreeBSD project's goals, as part of the answer the OP's question about which platform to use instead of Windows. The more people understand what FreeBSD's design goals are, the better they'll be able to decide if it also meets their goals. Wojciech, you seem to be saying that accommodating "Windoze" users is not and should not be a goal for FreeBSD. I respect that opinion. I just want to know if it's shared by the project leaders. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 23:11:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E57E4106564A for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:11:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A65F78FC18 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:11:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id mAGN6uHl019466; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:06:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id mAGN6tjw019465; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:06:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:06:55 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20081116230655.GA19446@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <491D59D3.8080809@spansurf.com> <1226700024.22782.30.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081115011731.K16077@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116020702.GC15841@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081116225651.H26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081116225651.H26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Jerry McAllister , Da Rock , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:11:12 -0000 On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 10:57:31PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>simply reading FreeBSD handbook will be the best move for the beginning. > >> > >>But it is NOT windoze replacement. > > > >It is if you put it on the system instead of MS-Win stuff. > >It will totally replace it if you use fdisk to create a FreeBSD slice > > no need for slices. i don't create slices on any system. > > >and then partition that slice and install FreeBSD. Win will be totally > >gone and the user will be merrily using something better. > > > >Of course, if the user had said he wanted something like Vista to > >run on his machine, then it wouldn't fit that category. But that is > >not what he said. > but exactly what he expected. and you know this. Now that wouldn't hold up in court. ////jerry From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 23:32:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9292C1065675 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:32:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [66.246.138.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 583818FC12 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:32:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E79B1900F; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:32:50 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on muon X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.5 Received: from tau.draftnet (unknown [66.45.161.67]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:32:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:32:24 -0800 From: Bruce Cran To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20081116153224.62bf8b5a@tau.draftnet> In-Reply-To: <20081116225359.G26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207271.7030609@boosten.org> <20081116202542.T26156@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207F81.7090502@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081116225359.G26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; amd64-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Brad Davis , Peter Boosten Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:32:51 -0000 On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:56:28 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > Having a larger user-base is definitely a good thing. That means > > attracting > > NO IT IS NOT! Well, it sounds like Minix may be gaining a new user soon then ;) -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 23:45:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F39E1065675 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:45:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B86A8FC13 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:45:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 6so863905eyi.7 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:45:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=krACVoUJ2Yx22dCl2bRDVuZYQNJC/V2ptE6bLL/nNWM=; b=A8cYWSNIRVMjr5Cnu9mGOjQV9tLWvYaEpCBqFnySJpj5UFmtfczQKNDWixjTkJBiDI xOV9qjmuzPJnIthkQEsySthDyLFj0kJacri6kzSgqOJGZVP3zq3oWN1jbcsxTLBLKlE5 r1Ve7+p+g5vPM6Zy2dVGNTxEtKkxBDJThPK+E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=qM0ewjQv0dt56Lra1ClEFpHDI/F2NGOuVOSzDIGIdQA9CIdGFgyQgw8MuSHa8DNZv5 DIZmH73QyLbKeLURU4JG1X/SIJgEm03WegkOHVHdNliRptJvcGWkHqieDSHHMwiwGImH VwZlGVXPav1OumtoEMKfttjzPG366c9nheI9A= Received: by 10.102.234.20 with SMTP id g20mr1055520muh.84.1226879139508; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:45:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.169.16 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:45:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4ad871310811161545t547565c1ya9a8e2cda2605b16@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:45:39 -0500 From: "Glen Barber" To: "Bruce Cran" In-Reply-To: <20081116153224.62bf8b5a@tau.draftnet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207271.7030609@boosten.org> <20081116202542.T26156@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207F81.7090502@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081116225359.G26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116153224.62bf8b5a@tau.draftnet> Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Brad Davis , Peter Boosten Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:45:41 -0000 On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Bruce Cran wrote: > On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:56:28 +0100 (CET) > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> > Having a larger user-base is definitely a good thing. That means >> > attracting >> >> NO IT IS NOT! > > Well, it sounds like Minix may be gaining a new user soon then ;) I cannot begin to express how disappointed I am that a potential user's question turned into a flamewar. -- Glen Barber "If you have any trouble sounding condescending, find a Unix user to show you how it's done." --Scott Adams From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 23:47:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19F411065679 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:47:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.185]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988528FC16 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:47:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i2so2348397mue.3 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:47:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=9Rjn6CKDfEAlHALkXV0DGLDi2VocOgJ2T2JlvsozNPk=; b=CorbzQEkT30gqTFwkPA+CY9vnKF0z0zghET3hg3cr14GZgfTt3i8AD7PY/5RLVNsTB FLyPVZTKl3DyTRpfjNuV8GZmTqfojEi416/quDFDrr2+eCZIiMvOGzgk22xGEOstEaZ5 axpdSX/U8bAXEn/uwv7afNY2twxNOJghSJNW8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=s6+ENG8zy2fK3YPs93cJDsQrVTjSZKbR7tSfJ0JP4dwyUw8udagNacYNiVI5/dMdoO r9mj9n2NE4ENtrP51SyPxPJlYmlIx5FF4iFfZMx//4PMpN8N63lPSxDwCGxX0lIuw1QY Qy+fVg7G25Y923/4jTg4s33WOZIeMNPG0tK+g= Received: by 10.103.12.16 with SMTP id p16mr1059959mui.89.1226879237139; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:47:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.169.16 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:47:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4ad871310811161547w2afe04a9h4ede8e731d3d1b0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:47:17 -0500 From: "Glen Barber" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4ad871310811161545t547565c1ya9a8e2cda2605b16@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207271.7030609@boosten.org> <20081116202542.T26156@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207F81.7090502@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081116225359.G26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116153224.62bf8b5a@tau.draftnet> <4ad871310811161545t547565c1ya9a8e2cda2605b16@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:47:19 -0000 On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Glen Barber wrote: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Bruce Cran wrote: >> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:56:28 +0100 (CET) >> Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >>> > Having a larger user-base is definitely a good thing. That means >>> > attracting >>> >>> NO IT IS NOT! >> >> Well, it sounds like Minix may be gaining a new user soon then ;) > > I cannot begin to express how disappointed I am that a potential > user's question turned into a flamewar. > Well.. Wasn't really a 'question', but you get my point. -- Glen Barber "If you have any trouble sounding condescending, find a Unix user to show you how it's done." --Scott Adams From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 23:49:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3758A1065674 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:49:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 708338FC21 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:49:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAGNn3rq027268; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:49:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAGNn3Vf027265; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:49:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:49:02 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Charlie Kester In-Reply-To: <20081116225116.GA70089@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20081117004730.J27258@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <491D59D3.8080809@spansurf.com> <20081114203914.W14337@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <491DDD56.1040001@ccstores.com> <20081114225626.GA56663@icarus.home.lan> <20081116193828.GB7878@comcast.net> <20081116222222.J26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116225116.GA70089@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:49:15 -0000 > I *do* want to see a discussion of the FreeBSD project's goals, as part > of the answer the OP's question about which platform to use instead of > Windows. The more people understand what FreeBSD's design goals are, the > better they'll be able to decide if it also meets their goals. they can read it on webpage. > Wojciech, you seem to be saying that accommodating "Windoze" users is > not and should not be a goal for FreeBSD. I respect that opinion. I > just want to know if it's shared by the project leaders. me to. it's important. i'd like to plan ahead. if their opinion is opposite, FreeBSD will turn into crap within 2-3 years as every other project. there are no exceptions to that rule. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 23:50:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B911D1065670; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:50:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 016608FC1B; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:50:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAGNoeF4027281; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:50:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAGNoeuA027278; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:50:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:50:40 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Bruce Cran In-Reply-To: <20081116153224.62bf8b5a@tau.draftnet> Message-ID: <20081117004947.Q27258@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207271.7030609@boosten.org> <20081116202542.T26156@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207F81.7090502@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081116225359.G26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116153224.62bf8b5a@tau.draftnet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Brad Davis , Peter Boosten Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:50:52 -0000 >>> Having a larger user-base is definitely a good thing. That means >>> attracting >> >> NO IT IS NOT! > > Well, it sounds like Minix may be gaining a new user soon then ;) > > -- minix doesn't work well under high load. it's not even designed to do this. maybe it will change, and full DMA ide drivers. will be interesting. it's really well coded. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 23:58:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A2BE106568B for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:58:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stupendoussteve@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s40.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s40.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.112]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 390138FC08 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:58:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stupendoussteve@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.10.146]) by bay0-omc1-s40.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:58:05 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:58:05 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 68.225.143.90 by BAY122-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:58:03 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [68.225.143.90] X-Originating-Email: [stupendoussteve@hotmail.com] X-Sender: stupendoussteve@hotmail.com Message-ID: <4920B387.9090604@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:57:59 -0600 From: Steven Susbauer User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081106) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <491D59D3.8080809@spansurf.com> <20081114203914.W14337@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <491DDD56.1040001@ccstores.com> <20081114225626.GA56663@icarus.home.lan> <20081116193828.GB7878@comcast.net> <20081116222222.J26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116225116.GA70089@comcast.net> <20081117004730.J27258@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: <20081117004730.J27258@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigF8589D331D17DE1F32E5958A" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2008 23:58:05.0408 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AC32600:01C94847] Cc: Charlie Kester , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:58:06 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigF8589D331D17DE1F32E5958A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> I *do* want to see a discussion of the FreeBSD project's goals, as par= t >> of the answer the OP's question about which platform to use instead of= >> Windows. The more people understand what FreeBSD's design goals are, t= he >> better they'll be able to decide if it also meets their goals. >=20 > they can read it on webpage. >=20 >> Wojciech, you seem to be saying that accommodating "Windoze" users is >> not and should not be a goal for FreeBSD. I respect that opinion. I >> just want to know if it's shared by the project leaders. >=20 > me to. it's important. i'd like to plan ahead. if their opinion is > opposite, FreeBSD will turn into crap within 2-3 years as every other > project. there are no exceptions to that rule. I do not believe there needs to be an actual *effort* to accommodate Windows users, there are other projects with that as one of their goals which are doing quite well. If accommodating a Windows user is simply allowing for a usable desktop system, then FreeBSD works fine. One man's "crap" is another man's favorite operating system. I do think there does *not* need to be effort to run off Windows users who may consider switching to FreeBSD. There is nothing wrong with them using FreeBSD, and if they don't like it they can choose something else. It doesn't matter if they have previous experience with a *nix operating system, if they are able to figure it out then it is just as good as figuring out something else. I find it a bit disheartening that at least one side of this topic has begun to resemble Scott Adams' Unix quote, which I do think is a misrepresentation of the community as a whole. --------------enigF8589D331D17DE1F32E5958A Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkkgs4oACgkQ2i3YYzbDt0+MqQCfUtpT7SfnE5YSTh7dQxcGWfhr GJIAoIQ19udPm18pJN2EnsUt0biVWVPi =Hvrn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigF8589D331D17DE1F32E5958A-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 00:02:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C1D106567B; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:02:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D6218FC20; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:02:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAH02E8Q027329; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:02:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAH02DFl027326; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:02:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:02:13 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Glen Barber In-Reply-To: <4ad871310811161545t547565c1ya9a8e2cda2605b16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081117005057.T27258@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207271.7030609@boosten.org> <20081116202542.T26156@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207F81.7090502@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081116225359.G26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116153224.62bf8b5a@tau.draftnet> <4ad871310811161545t547565c1ya9a8e2cda2605b16@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Bruce Cran , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Brad Davis , Peter Boosten Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:02:24 -0000 >> Well, it sounds like Minix may be gaining a new user soon then ;) > > I cannot begin to express how disappointed I am that a potential > user's question turned into a flamewar. > actually it's NOT a flamewar. it's my WARNING to all current FreeBSD community about the effect of doing such nonsense like trying to get as much users as possible. if You ignore this, after 2-3 years read my posts again. just to see "Oh well, he was right, but it's too late". Learn from other's mistakes (like linux,netbsd), instead of repeating and repeating the same mistake again. I strongly recommend all of You to stop this bad trend. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 00:03:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D9C81065692 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:03:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 999CE8FC08 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:03:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAH03Eon027336; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:03:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAH03Doi027333; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:03:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:03:13 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Steven Susbauer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081117010228.K27258@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <491D59D3.8080809@spansurf.com> <20081114203914.W14337@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <491DDD56.1040001@ccstores.com> <20081114225626.GA56663@icarus.home.lan> <20081116193828.GB7878@comcast.net> <20081116222222.J26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116225116.GA70089@comcast.net> <20081117004730.J27258@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Charlie Kester , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:03:22 -0000 > which are doing quite well. If accommodating a Windows user is simply > allowing for a usable desktop system, then FreeBSD works fine. what you mean "usable desktop system"? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 00:05:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55BD21065686 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:05:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE8C88FC1A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:05:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i2so2354015mue.3 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:05:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=JlmaeTX9Mrz2nhdrZVfgZvNe6ZkLx5GpY+gdJFohok8=; b=FjciWERSYqG+FVWmbfsr+KNC1YOAMwksnEG+x5DErDc/gV3S49hLr08WhBxDfrHbFK 10EEFi0q/Beou5HVPvnQQ6CQCr/jrw6YKza+nd81xq6IEcLcSAHhJzygO/pN8ey/lLeu uUzinSbdcf9MZG1Bv2urc1RPtRQempYOo3Ab8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=t3eApfon01lEDx7PzSThY4vCrUBCgmls1rimMpm1k08uO79/8MH08RNBqS4hAYLXR9 3+pdO8tEWfvxBdv79LBcWro1HpEZY8V59ueG+iYpC83idUjNsxEppBF3Dgwv9jGObXZD r8xoUVySnhACVHx32a1Uy8Td11Y2eZf/Q2Z/E= Received: by 10.103.131.18 with SMTP id i18mr1058424mun.120.1226880351356; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:05:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.169.16 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:05:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4ad871310811161605l3cbb0335y607e7537102188e3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:05:51 -0500 From: "Glen Barber" To: "Wojciech Puchar" In-Reply-To: <20081117005057.T27258@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207271.7030609@boosten.org> <20081116202542.T26156@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207F81.7090502@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081116225359.G26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116153224.62bf8b5a@tau.draftnet> <4ad871310811161545t547565c1ya9a8e2cda2605b16@mail.gmail.com> <20081117005057.T27258@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:05:53 -0000 On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: [...snip...] > > I strongly recommend all of You to stop this bad trend. > Could you please stop trolling? You're not contributing to anything here. -- Glen Barber "If you have any trouble sounding condescending, find a Unix user to show you how it's done." --Scott Adams From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 00:06:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03384106567B for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:06:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A9D28FC2B for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:06:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAH06ZSB027381; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:06:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAH06Ybu027378; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:06:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:06:34 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Glen Barber In-Reply-To: <4ad871310811161605l3cbb0335y607e7537102188e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081117010609.C27377@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207271.7030609@boosten.org> <20081116202542.T26156@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207F81.7090502@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081116225359.G26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116153224.62bf8b5a@tau.draftnet> <4ad871310811161545t547565c1ya9a8e2cda2605b16@mail.gmail.com> <20081117005057.T27258@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4ad871310811161605l3cbb0335y607e7537102188e3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:06:39 -0000 >> >> I strongly recommend all of You to stop this bad trend. >> > > Could you please stop trolling? You're not contributing to anything here. no - because i'm not trolling. simply ignore me if you don't understand what i write From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 00:17:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9809E1065673 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:17:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kitchetech@gmail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 201858FC13 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:17:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kitchetech@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k31so2685552fkk.11 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:17:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=niXwkW6g+fHPgxZTu37u7M++jwKqh51QYwhCt+JzBO8=; b=Szn00bzhfslBJfjWiTrduwFc0viwhxUjZRqNPeZdAfXziJYtCC4NIXgVmQmyPjyNuN jsRG87LWixSC7hVwNYSfMDyFja5uNvpyUDw0+PwkwhSzH8L3FBh1AIkuP+JCppPaf7nz 2wjxSMWJOk5zPmLLvQhZrYxpT/iDLjTW1cVNM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=OTjtq/JfW3P4Ol7YscI+Be01Rm5lIgoK7k9nzJIRU9qKYnpfW27bMdSZwcaC7GNpzd 66K52k1/SBsBjLVMlinudfV0CVGgxbJ427SRk7Z2Paodgq6ANdxt6RiktQ0JGIV4eEdo agl7ZisCYm6WkU7Aoky0pFRWPlBuQX9srIIxA= Received: by 10.181.226.2 with SMTP id d2mr842146bkr.204.1226881029732; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:17:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.205.7 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:17:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <28283d910811161617u79bc5cb0j2d89b2fd01d0c8fc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:17:09 -0500 From: "matt donovan" To: "Wojciech Puchar" In-Reply-To: <20081117010609.C27377@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <49207271.7030609@boosten.org> <20081116202542.T26156@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207F81.7090502@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081116225359.G26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116153224.62bf8b5a@tau.draftnet> <4ad871310811161545t547565c1ya9a8e2cda2605b16@mail.gmail.com> <20081117005057.T27258@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4ad871310811161605l3cbb0335y607e7537102188e3@mail.gmail.com> <20081117010609.C27377@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Glen Barber , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:17:11 -0000 Indeed you are trolling Considering that your way of thinking is actually a flame. Also I never knew how to program before I even started to use *nix, but once I did I began to learn how to code. Also I know what your saying your in the dark ages it seems where, elites rule No Offense From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 00:20:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79E3E1065679 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:20:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FB358FC0A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:20:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAH0K6fD027418; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:20:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAH0K6Xt027415; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:20:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:20:06 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: matt donovan In-Reply-To: <28283d910811161617u79bc5cb0j2d89b2fd01d0c8fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081117011859.D27408@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <49207271.7030609@boosten.org> <20081116202542.T26156@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207F81.7090502@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081116225359.G26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116153224.62bf8b5a@tau.draftnet> <4ad871310811161545t547565c1ya9a8e2cda2605b16@mail.gmail.com> <20081117005057.T27258@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4ad871310811161605l3cbb0335y607e7537102188e3@mail.gmail.com> <20081117010609.C27377@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <28283d910811161617u79bc5cb0j2d89b2fd01d0c8fc@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Glen Barber , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:20:10 -0000 > No Offense indeed it is offense. my opinion is different than yours so i have to shut up. that's what you said/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 00:20:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 889431065695 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:20:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@rgbaz.eu) Received: from jasper.secsrv.net (jasper.secsrv.net [66.98.138.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610F88FC14 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:20:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@rgbaz.eu) Received: from [82.161.18.200] (helo=[10.0.1.104]) by jasper.secsrv.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1L1rrG-0001dM-F5 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:20:50 -0500 Message-Id: <9145AB3A-E20B-42FF-B1FC-8FDD7532A883@rgbaz.eu> From: FBSD UG To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081117005057.T27258@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:20:47 +0100 References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207271.7030609@boosten.org> <20081116202542.T26156@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207F81.7090502@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081116225359.G26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116153224.62bf8b5a@tau.draftnet> <4ad871310811161545t547565c1ya9a8e2cda2605b16@mail.gmail.com> <20081117005057.T27258@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jasper.secsrv.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - rgbaz.eu X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:20:52 -0000 On 17 nov 2008, at 01:02, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> Well, it sounds like Minix may be gaining a new user soon then ;) >> >> I cannot begin to express how disappointed I am that a potential >> user's question turned into a flamewar. >> > actually it's NOT a flamewar. > > it's my WARNING to all current FreeBSD community about the effect of > doing such nonsense like trying to get as much users as possible. > > if You ignore this, after 2-3 years read my posts again. just to see > > "Oh well, he was right, but it's too late". > > Learn from other's mistakes (like linux,netbsd), instead of > repeating and repeating the same mistake again. > why not learn from where it went wrong and do it better? If FreeBSD becomes popular we'll have to deal with it sooner or later > I strongly recommend all of You to stop this bad trend. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 00:37:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DCC51065687 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:37:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C67F8FC08 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:37:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAH0bYIS027478; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:37:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAH0bYQ0027475; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:37:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:37:34 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: FBSD UG In-Reply-To: <9145AB3A-E20B-42FF-B1FC-8FDD7532A883@rgbaz.eu> Message-ID: <20081117013128.U27466@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207271.7030609@boosten.org> <20081116202542.T26156@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207F81.7090502@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081116225359.G26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116153224.62bf8b5a@tau.draftnet> <4ad871310811161545t547565c1ya9a8e2cda2605b16@mail.gmail.com> <20081117005057.T27258@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <9145AB3A-E20B-42FF-B1FC-8FDD7532A883@rgbaz.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:37:39 -0000 >> > why not learn from where it went wrong and do it better? what better exactly? sounds interesting. please add some details, because for now i see that it going not better not worse but exactly the same way as my examples. > If FreeBSD becomes popular we'll have to deal with it sooner or later it IS already popular, it's IMHO second most popular of unices (linux being the first). With "professionals" (i hate that word, please replace with better :) who need really high performance servers, it have the first place. In the same time, it's like Rolls-Royce of operating system. So Rolls-Royce should start to mass-produce cars for everyone? it won't be Rolls-Royce anymore. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 00:40:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55CF31065691 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:40:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phi@evilphi.com) Received: from mail.twinthornes.com (mail.twinthornes.com [65.75.198.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F9B8FC16 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:40:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phi@evilphi.com) Received: from [10.9.70.100] (c-76-27-226-62.hsd1.or.comcast.net [76.27.226.62]) by mail.twinthornes.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2068C10 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:40:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4920BD67.1040200@evilphi.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:40:07 -0800 From: Darren Pilgrim User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <491EA102.8060400@evilphi.com> In-Reply-To: <491EA102.8060400@evilphi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: puc(4) not attaching to NM9845-based serial card in 6.3-p5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:40:14 -0000 Darren Pilgrim wrote: > I have the following PCI, 4-port serial card: > > none2@pci6:2:0: class=0x070002 card=0x00041000 chip=0x98459710 rev=0x01 > hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'MosChip Semiconductors (Was: Netmos Technology)' > device = 'Nm9845 Parallel/Serial Port Adapter' > class = simple comms > subclass = UART > > This is supposedly supported by puc(4); however, I'm unable to get the > driver to attach to the card. I tried both uart+puc and sio+puc. In > all both case, the uart/sio drivers attach to only the serial port on > the motherboard. There are a number of hits on the mailing list > archives that discuss puc(4) not attaching to this device, but none > provide any conclusive answers. After much searching, I finally found a message from Marcel Moolenaar to freebsd-stable date 2008-05-06 regarding PCI serial cards working in 6.2 but not 6.3. The issue (and mine) were due to a problem with v1.51.2.3 of sys/dev/puc/pucdata.c and caused by the commit to add support for the six-port version of my card. The following change: --- pucdata.c.orig 2006-12-15 14:31:37.000000000 -0800 +++ pucdata.c 2008-11-16 15:34:50.000000000 -0800 @@ -946,7 +946,7 @@ /* NetMos 4S0P PCI: 4S, 0P */ { "NetMos NM9845 Quad UART", - { 0x9710, 0x9845, 0, 0x0014 }, + { 0x9710, 0x9845, 0, 0x0004 }, { 0xffff, 0xffff, 0, 0xffff }, { { PUC_PORT_TYPE_COM, 0x10, 0x00, COM_FREQ }, Fixes the issue and I now have: # dmesg | egrep '(uart|puc)' Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/uart.ko" at 0xc08312c4. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/puc.ko" at 0xc0831370. puc0: port 0x1060-0x1067,0x1058-0x105f,0x1050-0x1057,0 x1048-0x104f,0x1040-0x1047,0x1020-0x102f irq 18 at device 2.0 on pci6 puc: name: NetMos NM9845 Quad UART puc0: Reserved 0x8 bytes for rid 0x10 type 4 at 0x1060 puc0: Reserved 0x8 bytes for rid 0x14 type 4 at 0x1058 puc0: Reserved 0x8 bytes for rid 0x18 type 4 at 0x1050 puc0: Reserved 0x8 bytes for rid 0x1c type 4 at 0x1048 puc: Using uart0 puc: type 1, bar 10, offset 0 puc_alloc_resource: pdev 0xc4c37d60, looking for t 4, r 0 puc_alloc_resource: pdev 0xc4c37d60, looking for t 4, r 0 uart0: on puc0 puc_alloc_resource: pdev 0xc4c37d60, looking for t 4, r 0 puc_alloc_resource: pdev 0xc4c37d60, looking for t 1, r 0 puc: Using uart1 puc: type 1, bar 14, offset 0 puc_alloc_resource: pdev 0xc4c37ca0, looking for t 4, r 0 puc_alloc_resource: pdev 0xc4c37ca0, looking for t 4, r 0 uart1: <16950 or compatible> on puc0 puc_alloc_resource: pdev 0xc4c37ca0, looking for t 4, r 0 puc_alloc_resource: pdev 0xc4c37ca0, looking for t 1, r 0 puc: Using uart2 puc: type 1, bar 18, offset 0 puc_alloc_resource: pdev 0xc4c37be0, looking for t 4, r 0 puc_alloc_resource: pdev 0xc4c37be0, looking for t 4, r 0 uart2: <16550 or compatible> on puc0 puc_alloc_resource: pdev 0xc4c37be0, looking for t 4, r 0 puc_alloc_resource: pdev 0xc4c37be0, looking for t 1, r 0 puc: Using uart3 puc: type 1, bar 1c, offset 0 puc_alloc_resource: pdev 0xc4c37b20, looking for t 4, r 0 puc_alloc_resource: pdev 0xc4c37b20, looking for t 4, r 0 uart3: <16550 or compatible> on puc0 puc_alloc_resource: pdev 0xc4c37b20, looking for t 4, r 0 puc_alloc_resource: pdev 0xc4c37b20, looking for t 1, r 0 uart4: <16550 or compatible> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on acpi0 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 00:44:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B7D21065670 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:44:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 694078FC0C for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:44:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from pd5ml2no-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.153.164]) by pd5mo1no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 16 Nov 2008 17:44:35 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=KoDPwd6_AAAA:8 a=5UZud9IOzPkg_qJ3KQIA:9 a=U5_zXvkp4YtGFb6mBXwA:7 a=g1vS45_6_aV59LetHSzmZvV61tIA:4 Received: from s0106000d935c7902.du.shawcable.net (HELO gom.home) ([70.67.160.177]) by pd5ml2no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 16 Nov 2008 17:44:35 -0700 Received: from gom.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gom.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36791701E for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:44:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:44:34 -0800 From: prad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081116164434.72e7bef6@gom.home> In-Reply-To: <9145AB3A-E20B-42FF-B1FC-8FDD7532A883@rgbaz.eu> References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207271.7030609@boosten.org> <20081116202542.T26156@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207F81.7090502@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081116225359.G26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116153224.62bf8b5a@tau.draftnet> <4ad871310811161545t547565c1ya9a8e2cda2605b16@mail.gmail.com> <20081117005057.T27258@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <9145AB3A-E20B-42FF-B1FC-8FDD7532A883@rgbaz.eu> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:44:36 -0000 On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:20:47 +0100 FBSD UG wrote: > why not learn from where it went wrong and do it better? > If FreeBSD becomes popular we'll have to deal with it sooner or later > this is possibly good advice, but i think that wojciech makes a valid warning and, imho, i think it is inappropriate to suggest he is trolling simply because he is repeating a his point (as some others have). while there may be some benefit to freebsd becoming 'popular', it would be unfortunate if it did so in the way windoze or even certain linuxes have become 'popular'. imho, it is better to stay small offering quality and bring others up to a standard, rather that walking down the windoze-wannabe lane. we tried various linuxes, openbsd, netbsd and found them all good in many respects (we tried windoze too for that matter and even liked win95 and win98 a decade ago), but we settled on freebsd for both our server and our desktop (my son uses ubuntu because of certain graphic and hardware advantages) because we found it cleaner and simpler. (so i don't get to do some things that i could on say kubuntu, i still prefer freebsd. i don't use a desktop for instance, i use dwm instead.) personally, while having 'goodies' may be nice, maintaining the integrity of an os (and i'm not talking about coding), seems to me to be more important. and of course one of the best things about freebsd is the tone of this list. people here are both helpful and honest, the 2 do not have to be mutually exclusive. i see no reason why freebsd needs to imitate something it doesn't want to be just to offer goodies and grab more followers. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 00:46:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6884310656D9 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:46:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4846B8FC18 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:46:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.36]) by QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fr671a0070mlR8UA30mkpR; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:46:44 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([76.28.182.91]) by OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id g0mi1a00P1yjRxY8X0mjMf; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:46:44 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=hZTwrgX4KR7tPqrVTNoA:9 a=KYkU5HdrB5HiuVqDj5gA:7 a=NrV9Aygqt3wmW4UGVJhaPTsRTBkA:4 a=YvKx7zeTAGcA:10 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:46:42 -0800 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:46:42 -0800 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081117004642.GA70347@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207271.7030609@boosten.org> <20081116202542.T26156@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207F81.7090502@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081116225359.G26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116153224.62bf8b5a@tau.draftnet> <4ad871310811161545t547565c1ya9a8e2cda2605b16@mail.gmail.com> <20081117005057.T27258@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <9145AB3A-E20B-42FF-B1FC-8FDD7532A883@rgbaz.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9145AB3A-E20B-42FF-B1FC-8FDD7532A883@rgbaz.eu> X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.x/OS X 10.5.x X-Composer: VIM 7.2 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:46:45 -0000 * FBSD UG [2008-11-17 01:20:47 +0100]: > > On 17 nov 2008, at 01:02, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> Learn from other's mistakes (like linux,netbsd), instead of repeating >> and repeating the same mistake again. >> > why not learn from where it went wrong and do it better? If FreeBSD > becomes popular we'll have to deal with it sooner or later I don't want to fan the flames, but isn't that exactly what Wojciech is suggesting? That Linux went wrong when it began to cater too much to the perceived need to give former Windows users a "user-friendly" system? Anyway, I suspect that this discussion more properly belongs on the advocacy mailing list. The OP's question probably should have been directed there in the first place. Let's drop it here, and get back to answering the kind of howto questions where this list excels. -- Charlie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 00:55:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69274106564A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:55:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kitchetech@gmail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E32318FC17 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:55:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kitchetech@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k31so2698918fkk.11 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:55:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=wMpAN4HuDBRhK1kKMXggfjhnvEWZ99xU0vipDyPtPHY=; b=hasdanXGG+/qVRcs6/uq1gjEwBGwTs0wKWOQxeNqv+LgMzvnaW6NQ7mXnhXTEWrOM+ lhrUezUFXXdlWXrWRUjM04rEeeV0M9nVzlzIebpx9lm4YCK3Tl+B1gdVhfqHoRowpxgX 0xmkmTbytipZXsRbZd/NYhEbKh0etXZ4VHc38= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=IO3gGlD60oFJjje4HI3JB8KaL942XNFz8sfH4Rsu9vtn1Z13YonrGXL7DtOqOtDaSJ uDc7ZrynmQUWLHeVuPbhy03ogRzyA9vIrSd8wAQ6PiAV2iudhJDeBnEIaQoGI3SKQ1dk roGLjFfCEQPF0s0FvHgrmAdBvq3Agqzu8aWBE= Received: by 10.181.135.12 with SMTP id m12mr854178bkn.88.1226883337661; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:55:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.205.7 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:55:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <28283d910811161655r33553047vbe950ab244d13ad8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:55:37 -0500 From: "matt donovan" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081117004642.GA70347@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <49207271.7030609@boosten.org> <20081116202542.T26156@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207F81.7090502@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081116225359.G26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116153224.62bf8b5a@tau.draftnet> <4ad871310811161545t547565c1ya9a8e2cda2605b16@mail.gmail.com> <20081117005057.T27258@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <9145AB3A-E20B-42FF-B1FC-8FDD7532A883@rgbaz.eu> <20081117004642.GA70347@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:55:39 -0000 On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Charlie Kester wrote: > * FBSD UG [2008-11-17 01:20:47 +0100]: > > >> On 17 nov 2008, at 01:02, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> Learn from other's mistakes (like linux,netbsd), instead of repeating >>> and repeating the same mistake again. >>> >>> why not learn from where it went wrong and do it better? If FreeBSD >> becomes popular we'll have to deal with it sooner or later >> > > I don't want to fan the flames, but isn't that exactly what Wojciech is > suggesting? That Linux went wrong when it began to cater too much to > the perceived need to give former Windows users a "user-friendly" > system? > > Anyway, I suspect that this discussion more properly belongs on the > advocacy mailing list. The OP's question probably should have been > directed there in the first place. > Let's drop it here, and get back to answering the kind of howto > questions where this list excels. > > -- Charlie > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > yes this should have gone to the advocacy mailing list really, and from what I got from what Wojciech said is that he thinks that FreeBSD will come with a gui installed by default. I don't think that's what most of us are thinking when we are thinking of new users. We are thinking of users that actually know or want to control their complete system. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 01:13:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB991065708 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:13:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tremblett@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 909C28FC20 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:13:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tremblett@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i2so2375416mue.3 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:13:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=43Q+RfrEcRBtTuvdSoWiPwHOe+Na+LORaCOH+6C0Ryo=; b=TesCxr+886MkOsoXwAUdspIgrY403xP02Py7vCvuWYci3t5O8RcfrxOEm8dI/IzL8y N83rELnIX4quICJrsnjZrSsLxbNrZBvINIMz5Cd0mPyUTIMfePFXbhRRTebxvdpLNYeg xXEpr4+ZlM1hLZkT2M5UWvQAixZNyxIewApxE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=V/N1Nri/tVyUBDxGazwBL9eKf3oRVg5zs27sf4oA36GitVIClUwYAZhtPoPe4G3mjc 5+IoU84x9Q18FTlEWqqVJCiY4kTLRaa+XYM7z6GOEDyWSdEjeTSZksdxRSl7B2QvXDf9 c77VAdoGMKsjQB9u87JUoFIJDKKVT54/RBE+M= Received: by 10.103.12.8 with SMTP id p8mr1072331mui.44.1226882645159; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:44:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.134.17 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:44:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:44:05 -0500 From: "Steve Tremblett" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Intel 5100 WiFi X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:13:46 -0000 Is there any development being done to support the Intel 5100 wireless device? Linux support is very recent (within the last month), and I believe it requires a firmware blob. Does FreeBSD align with OpenBSD on the whole blob debate? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 01:21:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C43011065672 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:21:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rloefgren@forethought.net) Received: from mzpi4.forethought.net (mzpi4.forethought.net [216.241.36.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A13C58FC12 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:21:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rloefgren@forethought.net) Received: from 206-124-6-108.denver.dsl.forethought.net ([206.124.6.108] helo=auden.jmla.com) by mz2.forethought.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L1ozD-0005UP-CP for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:16:51 -0700 Message-ID: <49208DC2.1080703@forethought.net> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:16:50 -0700 From: Reed Loefgren User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081003) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:21:01 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce the >> availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion forum. It is >> our hope that this forum will serve as a public support channel for >> FreeBSD users around the world and as a complement to our fine mailing >> lists. > > this will add lots of i...ts that are unable to configure mail program > and subscribe. is having as much "users" as possible really good for > FreeBSD? i don't think so. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > "i...ts" Is that, like, what I'm supposed to type if I'm afraid of the word "idiots"? What should I type if I don't want to type the word "fuck"? Is there a news letter I can subscribe to that will tell me? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 02:04:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37F8F1065670 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:04:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eculp@casasponti.net) Received: from ns2.bafirst.com (72-12-2-19.static.networktel.net [72.12.2.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE9E48FC08 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:04:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eculp@casasponti.net) Received: from casasponti.net ([201.155.7.3]) by ns2.bafirst.com with esmtp; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:04:08 -0600 id 000D51D5.4920D118.00009229 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 80) by casasponti.net with local; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:03:56 -0600 id 00130C5A.4920D10C.00005B08 Received: from dsl-189-190-24-60.prod-infinitum.com.mx (dsl-189-190-24-60.prod-infinitum.com.mx [189.190.24.60]) by intranet.casasponti.net (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:03:56 -0600 Message-ID: <20081116200356.17qwm4xct6sgocgww@intranet.casasponti.net> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:03:56 -0600 From: eculp@casasponti.net To: Jeremy Chadwick References: <20081116094339.17qwm4xct6bkwsc4w@intranet.casasponti.net> <20081116161817.GA5749@icarus.home.lan> In-Reply-To: <20081116161817.GA5749@icarus.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (5.0-cvs) X-Remote-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.18) Gecko/20081114 Firefox/2.0.0.18 X-IMP-Server: 201.155.7.3 X-Originating-IP: 189.190.24.60 X-Originating-User: eculp@casasponti.net Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can rsync with ssh be used on a non standard ssh port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:04:10 -0000 Jeremy Chadwick escribi=F3: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 09:43:39AM -0600, eculp@casasponti.net wrote: >> Test example. >> >> I need to sync a directory from my machine to another that is using port >> 722 rather than 22. I can use ssh -pm722, scp -P 722 fine but I prefer >> rsync for the backup due to configuration flexibility. The man says: >> >> rsync [OPTION...] SRC... rsync://[USER@]HOST[:PORT]/DEST >> >> Which I translate to something like: >> >> rsync -avz /almacen/testDir rsync://backupMachine.com:722/backup/ >> >> but I get the following: >> >> rsync: server sent "SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.1p1 FreeBSD-20080901" rather than >> greeting >> rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at >> main.c(1504) [sender=3D3.0.4] >> >> I've tried variants to the point of no return. Help would be appreciated= . > > Check out the -e flag for rsync. There are examples of how to use this > inside of the rsync(1) man page. I can't believe I missed that. Unfortunately I found the other first. =20 Just for the record. a simple: rsync -avze 'ssh -p 722' /almacen/TestDir backupMachine.com:/backup/ worked as expected. Thanks, ed P.S. I also apologize to the list for sending two emails in the =20 morning. I thought I had canceled the first but yet another error. I =20 shouldn't work on Sundays ;) > > -- > | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | > | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | > | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | > | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 02:08:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22506106564A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:08:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eculp@casasponti.net) Received: from ns2.bafirst.com (72-12-2-19.static.networktel.net [72.12.2.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9A868FC13 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:08:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eculp@casasponti.net) Received: from casasponti.net ([201.155.7.3]) by ns2.bafirst.com with esmtp; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:08:16 -0600 id 000D5261.4920D210.00009253 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 80) by casasponti.net with local; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:08:04 -0600 id 00130C0F.4920D204.00005B40 Received: from dsl-189-190-24-60.prod-infinitum.com.mx (dsl-189-190-24-60.prod-infinitum.com.mx [189.190.24.60]) by intranet.casasponti.net (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:08:04 -0600 Message-ID: <20081116200804.17qwm4xct6sgocgww@intranet.casasponti.net> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:08:04 -0600 From: eculp@casasponti.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081116095044.17qwm4xct6bkwsc4w@intranet.casasponti.net> <49204858.6060604@unsane.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49204858.6060604@unsane.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (5.0-cvs) X-Remote-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.18) Gecko/20081114 Firefox/2.0.0.18 X-IMP-Server: 201.155.7.3 X-Originating-IP: 189.190.24.60 X-Originating-User: eculp@casasponti.net Subject: Re: How can rsync with ssh be used on a non standard ssh port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:08:18 -0000 Vincent Hoffman escribi=F3: > eculp@casasponti.net wrote: >> I need to use rsync for backup to another machine using a nonstandard >> port for ssh. 722. >> >> For example, when I test using my translation of the man pages: >> >> rsync [OPTION...] SRC... rsync://[USER@]HOST[:PORT]/DEST >> >> I use: >> >> rsync -avz /almacen/testDir rsync://backkup.net:722/backup/ >> >> the error generated is: >> >> rsync: server sent "SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.1p1 FreeBSD-20080901" rather >> than greeting >> rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at >> main.c(1504) [sender=3D3.0.4] >> >> I've tried many variants but none have worked. Any suggestions would >> be greatly appreciated. >> > Hi, > -e 'ssh -p722' should do it in theory > I'm not certain if rsync over ssh honours the SSH_CONFIG(5) file(s) it > should do though. If so it could also be added on a per host basis there. > something like > > Host foo.example.com > Port 722 > User myuser > IdentityFile /path/to/custom/key > Thanks, Vince. That is a ver interesting solution. I'm going to give =20 it a try in the morning. ed From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 02:45:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9F8B1065672 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:45:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 857018FC0A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:45:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1L1u70-0002ah-3h for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:45:14 +0000 Received: from 77.22.115.66 ([77.22.115.66]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:45:14 +0000 Received: from ino-news by 77.22.115.66 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:45:14 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: clemens fischer Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:44:42 +0100 Lines: 36 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 77.22.115.66 X-Archive: encrypt=none User-Agent: tin/1.8.3-20070201 ("Scotasay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT (i386)) Sender: news Subject: locate: how to prune .svn directories? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:45:19 -0000 Hi, I am trying to remove all the ".svn" directories and their contents from /var/db/locate.database. The uncommented entries in /etc/locate.rc look like this: # /etc/locate.rc - command script for updatedb(8) # SEARCHPATHS="/" # PRUNEPATHS="/tmp /usr/tmp /var/tmp" PRUNEPATHS="${PRUNEPATHS} /var/db/portsnap" PRUNEPATHS="${PRUNEPATHS} /mnt" PRUNEPATHS="${PRUNEPATHS} /usr/src-test" # PRUNEPATHS="${PRUNEPATHS} '/*/.svn'" # FILESYSTEMS="ufs zfs" pstree output looks like this: |-+= 06945 root sh /etc/periodic/weekly/310.locate | \-+- 06950 root su -fm nobody | \-+= 06951 nobody su (bash) | \-+- 06952 nobody /bin/sh /usr/libexec/locate.updatedb | |--- 06955 nobody find -s / ! ( -fstype ufs -or -fstype zfs ) -prune -or -path /tmp -prune -or -path /usr/tmp -prune -or -path /var/tmp -prune -or -path /var/db/portsnap -prune -or -path /mnt -prune -or -path /usr/src-test -prune -or -path '/*/.svn' -prune -or -print | \-+- 06956 nobody /bin/sh /usr/libexec/locate.mklocatedb -presort | \--- 06958 nobody locate.code /tmp//locate8nuvNUT2eT/mklocateXYh7Vi1XUR/_mklocatedb6956.bigrams As you might have guessed, this doesn't work, although running this command[1] in a shell produces the result wanted. What's wrong, and how do I fix it? [1] find /usr/src-main/ -path '/*/.svn' -prune -or -print -c From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 00:36:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6BD51065679 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:36:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pyunyh@gmail.com) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5F6F8FC13 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:36:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pyunyh@gmail.com) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a1so1264740tib.3 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:36:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:received:date:from :to:cc:subject:message-id:reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=jIDMSOrG4aDWfmq4oWwb5f6vYzU3OyISAzJKl9oeuCU=; b=Z2Uu2c9Dt3UFZT2+8gQRu/z9ApBH3kzGWqhgXLUlsaMPrpDWQxmgRagZ1wD3npDaI3 3ZIP9FvvNJrHT2ZvWxsgXv5wa9qjqJ2MPAHLTKXjlVynglWml3k7SOTEdItUyMpQn4Oi zyqLyYDPMOcSGQD77EZoeq6kbnTEihm5rTtZs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=fWi0kmqsBqqVyVGhK/IULpu4nlA9wAa7XnTb/1YtCs1nH7LVtcaOmxHibotf93Ds9S nHA1hWSi6evjNumpXIbC1OKBtHgtr5UMyWaMX/FSkrZvHO9pd6NdTkJy1RSF1kA1o+NI GZPq0yQ5WiEV79zjeS/re3BVbgjLfvCy+YgNw= Received: by 10.110.60.2 with SMTP id i2mr4427532tia.28.1226882170738; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:36:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from michelle.cdnetworks.co.kr ([211.53.35.84]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y3sm4973646tia.6.2008.11.16.16.36.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:36:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from michelle.cdnetworks.co.kr (localhost.cdnetworks.co.kr [127.0.0.1]) by michelle.cdnetworks.co.kr (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id mAH0Y4DX051042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:34:04 +0900 (KST) (envelope-from pyunyh@gmail.com) Received: (from yongari@localhost) by michelle.cdnetworks.co.kr (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id mAH0Y2Au051041; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:34:02 +0900 (KST) (envelope-from pyunyh@gmail.com) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:34:02 +0900 From: Pyun YongHyeon To: Yony Yossef Message-ID: <20081117003402.GA50872@cdnetworks.co.kr> References: <20def4870811160403i67f9e8d6i1a52e93d1b68c5ad@mail.gmail.com> <20081116121345.GA952@icarus.home.lan> <20def4870811160427k1a718a8es9287220c03f71f26@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20def4870811160427k1a718a8es9287220c03f71f26@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:03:53 +0000 Cc: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, Jeremy Chadwick , Yehonatan Yossef , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, liranl@mellanox.co.il Subject: Re: HW VLAN Filtering on FreeBSD 6.3 + 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pyunyh@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:36:13 -0000 On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 02:27:36PM +0200, Yony Yossef wrote: > > > > > I would like to enable my NIC HW VLAN filtering, is there any way for > > my > > > driver to access the OS vlan table? (something like vlan_group_get_device > > on > > > linux) > > > > > > I understood from previous investigation that on FreeBSD 6.3 and 7.0 > > there's > > > no ioctl informing the driver of vlan addition/removal. Is that correct? > > > > Man pages to check out: vlan(4) and ifconfig(8). I'm pretty sure the > > vlan tagging feature is per-driver. > > > > Also, the vlan(4) list of supported drivers is out of date (for example, > > em(4) is missing), so be sure to check the man page of your NIC driver. > > > Sorry, i explained myself pretty bad. I'm working on an Ethernet driver for > FreeBSD. > The VLAN hw tagging is already working properly, but my nic is capable of > holding a vlan table on hw, filtering vlans on it's own. > I need to find a way to update that hw table. > one way is to recieve a ioctl from the OS of it's vlan table event (add, > remove). I can't find such ioctl. FreeBSD doesn't use ioctl to manipulate VLAN HW table. > second is to have a direct access from the driver to the OS vlan table. I'm > not familiar with the interface or if it's possible at all, and that is my > actual question. > See EVENT_HANDLER(9) and igb(4) for working example. -- Regards, Pyun YongHyeon From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 03:06:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C101065670; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:06:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [220.233.188.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 117248FC0C; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:06:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAH36UH4093110; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:06:30 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:06:30 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: "Jin Guojun[VFF]" In-Reply-To: <4920C685.1050004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081117134532.S70117@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <491F413A.4020108@gmail.com> <20081115223556.GA45503@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <491F54A0.9090702@gmail.com> <491F6466.40309@gmail.com> <20081116224655.J70117@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <4920C685.1050004@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: ipfw@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: some ipfw filter does not function under Release 6.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:06:33 -0000 On Sun, 16 Nov 2008, Jin Guojun[VFF] wrote: > Ian Smith wrote: > > > On Sat, 15 Nov 2008, Jin Guojun[VFF] wrote: > > > > > I think this is a bug in ipfw because after change the rule order, the > > > problem persists: > > > 00566 26 3090 deny ip from 221.192.199.36 to any > > > 65330 2018 983473 allow tcp from any to any established > > > 65535 0 0 deny ip from any to any > > > > Are you saying that the packets shown below from 221.192.199.36 arrived > > =after= you added rule 566, which denys all traffic from that address? > > > > Are you showing us your entire ruleset; it is just those three rules? > > > > Is the tcpdump shown running on the same box as ipfw, or another box? > > If another box, how is it connected through the firewall, to the net? > > > > Which machine performs NAT for your network? None of this is obvious. > > > > Please show output of 'ifconfig' and 'netstat -rn' on the ipfw box? > I have found the problem due to the NIC naming change after motherboard > upgrading. > The em0 was LAN port, but now it is WAN port. So, the following rule caused > Sync coming in: > > 00123 12 528 allow tcp from any to 192.168.0.0/16 via em0 setup Ahah! > This is my configuration fault, and we can close PR kern/128902. > > Thanks, > -Jin Glad you found it so soon, Jin; that was one very short-lived PR :) cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 03:39:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D0C1065672 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:39:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tfcheng@gmail.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7EC28FC17 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:39:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tfcheng@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so2333851wfg.7 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:39:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=nlJG0kTVRFJQcn4HvrOCszf1F27lC8zlNGTsgb0lS2Y=; b=Gqaj9/aq280C+bTwVNdUbdcmhHK/UmzTJYD2CN22PtJzXS2QiE5A5UJMnSaV41i0if qoWu39NDp/d4NtRf3GHBiDhETiON9JVslrQyZG1SLXMZCuPLfTPr6VXoM4YPU0/S//o7 bUBzDbANVE4K/nrrwQ8vJ5AUwIuZE1/3iM21U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=BayBxbYyViwgM8jMptdVyUv9vuRcWBZITgs27tAGoln1xERmXMV7JtW0rC5zyf4Kr+ Dz/od+dd54Lx6kzkIA743vLDfL5LH1IsIr83M/jRLtFSpso86uJO9yVJeLrQ6cAg7m1b BX23MVPwUio3nGmIdOBLg6ennR7zOvlnMtTjE= Received: by 10.142.188.4 with SMTP id l4mr1760629wff.113.1226893141444; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:39:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.143.20 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:39:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:39:01 -0500 From: "Tsu-Fan Cheng" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081113170043.7ee88a3a@scorpio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <00163630f62951e942045b946224@google.com> <200811131802.12893.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <200811131902.50999.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <20081113170043.7ee88a3a@scorpio> Subject: Re: port upgrade problem: libncurses.so.5.6 not found X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:39:02 -0000 Hi all, I was rebuilding all my ports due to an error in my library. After a couple days, I think most of the ports were rebuilt, but some remain (skipped, error, etc). I then try to rebuild myself (by doing make deinstall; make reinstall). I started with mplayer. The compilation succeeded, but can't "make deinstall" my existed port: # make deinstall ===> Deinstalling for multimedia/mplayer ===> Deinstalling mplayer-0.99.11_8 pkg_delete: package 'mplayer-0.99.11_8' is required by these other packages and may not be deinstalled (but I'll delete it anyway): linux-mplayerplug-in-3.50_1 mencoder-0.99.11_2 mkxvcd-2.0.2_5 smplayer-0.6.4 Segmentation fault (core dumped) *** Error code 139 Stop in /usr/ports/multimedia/mplayer. it didn't give me too much to trouble shoot, any help from you guys is appreciated. TFC On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Jerry wrote: > On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:41:25 -0500 > "Tsu-Fan Cheng" wrote: > >>what would happen if I don't compile ports all over again? will my >>system crash? > > I believe that the total stability of your system might be jeopardized. > Personally, I use 'portmanager' to force an update of all my installed > ports. After updating your ports tree, using 'portmanager -u -f -y -l' > will update everything in the correct order. If you have 'java' > installed, make sure you download the required files prior to > starting the update procedure. > > -- > Jerry > gesbbb@yahoo.com > > There are two kinds of pedestrians... the quick and the dead. > > Lord Thomas Rober Dewar > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 03:55:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E47481065672 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:55:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ansarm@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950FF8FC12 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:55:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ansarm@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so934771ywe.13 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:55:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=ZI4xixjiC2YYBMyOyJyxWizG4bPBhN/mNJDNjCPMp2M=; b=lRosWPQteLnp2M8HegIwjX5Q5mFn4XCbskmFOfBW8b8q5Dv0VUOsyY5/I0LEQAYmaD 87MVLcyKUCdKa6Zyczsgvj+7CzWWZ099ocy95+ZxHVvSIT1pTN3nLsY7q9nB492WPsAl ba2vdAyyAsavx1/mBdApIPJ5zWjV/mpGP3V5I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; b=Blt6cAkMeH2+RDyfe1k60TkAcowqwV5obDWnVuPrejvrbGpcrOdgr+O97uuKv70JPZ MjNK8+a+s4131e+kWLmo7KhSSWr6lb08a8/1jdjcs9+Dt8JQUy9ttgaXmMlJQzmNTMnn wIYTd2hY1GwfkqZRpD0DhDazQXiy+vDkpGTMg= Received: by 10.65.133.12 with SMTP id k12mr3354712qbn.65.1226894143099; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:55:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from ansarmm2 (206-248-190-95.dsl.teksavvy.com [206.248.190.95]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p27sm5780889qbp.16.2008.11.16.19.55.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:55:42 -0800 (PST) From: "Ansar Mohammed" To: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:55:40 -0500 Message-ID: <065f01c94868$5c5a9a10$150fce30$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclIaFuJFITtPIr5RviPAQ84owiCUA== Content-Language: en-ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Kerberos in FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:55:45 -0000 Any reason why the port of HEIMDAL is at 0.6.3 (2004) in FreeBSD 7.0 when we have 1.0 available? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 04:10:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B74106564A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:10:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sahil@tandon.net) Received: from aegis.hamla.org (aegis.hamla.org [206.251.255.39]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 572FB8FC12 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:10:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sahil@tandon.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aegis.hamla.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E93235C78 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:11:27 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=tandon.net; h= x-virus-scanned:in-reply-to:content-disposition:content-type :mime-version:references:reply-to:message-id:subject:from:date: received; s=aegis; t=1226895086; bh=AUlNNiTd/OjCSQH9mLG5FwiFzDYd ubtVHTNho2/42/8=; b=qPSFUiGx8NKmr87QITn7brSsskm0ntwaggeHT1I7lt0G kfmDxb29oXqhoO5SiBiwNeR2oGHcXK6wxhpoeaX8ewHbFQpdgpt1P2npdD5yfVm4 /TqjeTd3jK56D4rCMOp5yIRXTvRy1ymyBPDEYcBeCx0yfkRAMfGNj/BrdDBkc4k= Received: from aegis.hamla.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (aegis.hamla.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with LMTP id NGC26dO-b1O0 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:11:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:10:11 -0500 From: Sahil Tandon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081117041011.GD1256@shepherd> References: <065f01c94868$5c5a9a10$150fce30$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <065f01c94868$5c5a9a10$150fce30$@com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on aegis.hamla.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: Kerberos in FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:10:15 -0000 Ansar Mohammed wrote: > Any reason why the port of HEIMDAL is at 0.6.3 (2004) in FreeBSD 7.0 when we > have 1.0 available? On 7.0-RELEASE: % cat /usr/ports/security/heimdal/Makefile | grep PORTVERSION PORTVERSION= 1.0.1 -- Sahil Tandon From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 04:13:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F581065672 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:13:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ansarm@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7524F8FC16 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:13:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ansarm@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so936146ywe.13 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:13:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references :in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=P2Aamr9+iyD7NS0nlkX/z4nYHkRmdUjh9TM2phRXUEc=; b=R4wV4668YLV3J0EemQS13qIlV1OoWhKpml+ptFFGSq0r577VRMFMM6diGHry2DsEZ1 K8RXPy6ccQiLsEkTXjUMQhTNgLGDaa5SsrR99goxke0kwGoWN67q0hG4Eddf4IG70Tvk 3Wq4z40vsmekkNhkzCNva5uWeLpJ3YQ0ZO3/0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; b=cZI8csMd4DczLJwtauuRtDQPG/fJvOBgF9pAQ31EeGuEN7/l70WcctfZTzPI0XveHX OzSCg/owCoT/Y3mGXVtflkE+zlwKdJva4arY5ev8CFaly32vGhN/IsDzoK4t3259ifGU 6Te8BzzFrQFOdql8dHDmXtJ8jl5q/ataP4TIA= Received: by 10.64.142.8 with SMTP id p8mr3347264qbd.99.1226895221353; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:13:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from ansarmm2 (206-248-190-95.dsl.teksavvy.com [206.248.190.95]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s31sm6102184qbs.8.2008.11.16.20.13.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:13:40 -0800 (PST) From: "Ansar Mohammed" To: References: <065f01c94868$5c5a9a10$150fce30$@com> <20081117041011.GD1256@shepherd> In-Reply-To: <20081117041011.GD1256@shepherd> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:13:38 -0500 Message-ID: <066401c9486a$df0cefb0$9d26cf10$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclIan7to0DIDtzaTbmfN6mxIASzoAAADxFg Content-Language: en-ca Subject: RE: Kerberos in FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:13:43 -0000 That=92s the port. Not the one that is installed by default. [root@teak]:/home/sysop]$ /usr/libexec/kdc -v kdc (Heimdal 0.6.3) Copyright 1999-2004 Kungliga Tekniska H=F6gskolan Send bug-reports to heimdal-bugs@pdc.kth.se > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Sahil Tandon > Sent: November 16, 2008 11:10 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Kerberos in FreeBSD >=20 > Ansar Mohammed wrote: >=20 > > Any reason why the port of HEIMDAL is at 0.6.3 (2004) in FreeBSD 7.0 > when we > > have 1.0 available? >=20 > On 7.0-RELEASE: >=20 > % cat /usr/ports/security/heimdal/Makefile | grep PORTVERSION > PORTVERSION=3D 1.0.1 >=20 > -- > Sahil Tandon > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 04:24:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1A631065674 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:24:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq4.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq4.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.34.167]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C408FC0A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:24:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from [212.54.34.135] (port=55931 helo=smtp4.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq4.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L1vef-0006h4-OC; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:24:05 +0100 Received: from cp268254-a.landg1.lb.home.nl ([84.25.65.88] helo=ra.egypt.nl) by smtp4.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L1vee-0008DR-Sm; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:24:04 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (xp.egypt.nl [192.168.13.35]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB59F39841; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:24:01 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4920F1E1.4050202@boosten.org> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:24:01 +0100 From: Peter Boosten User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207271.7030609@boosten.org> <20081116202542.T26156@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207F81.7090502@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081116225359.G26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116153224.62bf8b5a@tau.draftnet> <4ad871310811161545t547565c1ya9a8e2cda2605b16@mail.gmail.com> <20081117005057.T27258@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <9145AB3A-E20B-42FF-B1FC-8FDD7532A883@rgbaz.eu> <20081117013128.U27466@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: <20081117013128.U27466@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1L1vee-0008DR-Sm X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-2.6, required 5, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60, SPF_PASS -0.00) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: peter@boosten.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: FBSD UG , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:24:07 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > In the same time, it's like Rolls-Royce of operating system. > > So Rolls-Royce should start to mass-produce cars for everyone? it won't > be Rolls-Royce anymore. This is nonsense: better start charging money for FreeBSD then. FreeBSD will not turn bad (or Linux) whenever more users are using it. This thought is totally against the Open Source vision: software for anyone. >From another email: Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> >>> I strongly recommend all of You to stop this bad trend. >>> >> >> Could you please stop trolling? You're not contributing to anything >> here. > no - because i'm not trolling. simply ignore me if you don't understand > what i write You could follow your own advice and not read the forum at all. Peter -- http://www.boosten.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 04:36:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF7C1065674 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:36:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jguojun@gmail.com) Received: from smtp124.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (smtp124.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [69.147.64.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CF4258FC19 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:36:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jguojun@gmail.com) Received: (qmail 25288 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2008 04:36:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.17?) (jguojun@75.37.2.43 with plain) by smtp124.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2008 04:36:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: SXl5X3wVM1m.D.w1Lt3qmRBDLXWonOWetT2rLJ4792wIvqylf22Dq.9kZDSnoYAnRX1_aGiuxZqgW6XoXPdGXWqnwZpE.QMNcQsqF01fhKjHvEIYtOISDIyN7b2rEBjhtVjuffpTlwZ8JzXg5d81FrBvD4xAMLL5X9bOoaQTQlV5wyiFawR2Ss9UK2H1KskrHwE.riLbnlo8sjt2QnkzSKjjTKCaDDI.tCDY2eMNNO9zCqz8XSXklg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4920F4CC.2020501@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:36:28 -0800 From: "Jin Guojun[VFF]" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20071201 X-Accept-Language: en, zh, zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ian Smith References: <491F413A.4020108@gmail.com> <20081115223556.GA45503@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <491F54A0.9090702@gmail.com> <491F6466.40309@gmail.com> <20081116224655.J70117@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <4920C685.1050004@gmail.com> <20081117134532.S70117@sola.nimnet.asn.au> In-Reply-To: <20081117134532.S70117@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ipfw@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: some ipfw filter does not function under Release 6.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:36:34 -0000 Ian Smith wrote: >On Sun, 16 Nov 2008, Jin Guojun[VFF] wrote: > > Ian Smith wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 15 Nov 2008, Jin Guojun[VFF] wrote: > > > > > > > I think this is a bug in ipfw because after change the rule order, the > > > > problem persists: > > > > 00566 26 3090 deny ip from 221.192.199.36 to any > > > > 65330 2018 983473 allow tcp from any to any established > > > > 65535 0 0 deny ip from any to any > > > >.... snapped > > > I have found the problem due to the NIC naming change after motherboard > > upgrading. > > The em0 was LAN port, but now it is WAN port. So, the following rule caused > > Sync coming in: > > > > 00123 12 528 allow tcp from any to 192.168.0.0/16 via em0 setup > >Ahah! > > > This is my configuration fault, and we can close PR kern/128902. > > > > Thanks, > > -Jin > >Glad you found it so soon, Jin; that was one very short-lived PR :) > > This is kind hard one to catch since this machine was tested and working before. Traced many machines with R-6.1 and R-6.2 around country and found no problem. The recent change to this machine is a AMD to a P4 motherboard swapping for better memory bandwidth, but overlooked the NIC names changed. Now we had historical information for what could cause such failure. -Jin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 06:23:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 366021065673 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:23:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A20728FC19 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:23:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl26-34.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.153.34]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mAH6Nd0N029431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:23:44 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mAH6NcRG093378; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:23:39 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mAH6Nc7D093377; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:23:38 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Wojciech Puchar References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:23:37 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> (Wojciech Puchar's message of "Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:58:39 +0100 (CET)") Message-ID: <87r65a98gm.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mAH6Nd0N029431 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.857, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.54, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Brad Davis Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:23:50 -0000 On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:58:39 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce >> the availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion forum. >> It is our hope that this forum will serve as a public support channel >> for FreeBSD users around the world and as a complement to our fine >> mailing lists. > > this will add lots of i...ts that are unable to configure mail program > and subscribe. is having as much "users" as possible really good for > FreeBSD? i don't think so. While I can see the point you are trying to make, and it's a valid concern, I don't fully agree. What you are essentially hinting at is that having a forum will attract less experienced users. I don't think less experienced people are, for some reason, 'idiots', but it seems plausible enough that having a _large_ number of inexperienced people may result in a significantly lower signal/noise ratio. I can definitely agree to that. Two of my usual gripes with forums and their software are: * Having five gazillion posts that say "me too", is not exactly a productive answer to a problem. Alas, this is often what you get when you gather hundreds of _very_ inexperienced people and you hand them a web interface to freely post short, often unintelligible snippets that are more suitable for Twitter than a FAQ page. * I hate crappy, slow, bug-ridden web interfaces. The word 'hate' is probably not strong enough to describe some of the sentiments that pop up when I have to type in tiny web-browser textboxes, only to find that hitting 'Back' throws away several minutes of editing. There *are* ways to amend some of these problems though, so even though I am not a great fan of forums and their software, I subscribed to the new forum and I will keep an eye for interesting stuff. The obvious solution to the ``too many newbies don't necessarily make a good knowledge base by their sheer number'' problem is to have _more_ of the experienced people subscribe to the forum. If you feel you are one of the people who can contribute useful, to the point, correct(TM) and complete answers to the forum, then you know what to do :-) The web interface and ``editing in tiny boxes'' problem may be slightly less irky or less nerve-wrecking for the ``old school'' people when an extension to Firefox is used to spawn an external editor. I do that all the time, and trust me it makes posting to forums a *lot* less painful for someone who likes writing in a _real_ text editor. I've been posting to forums with the mozex Firefox extension and GNU Emacs for more than a couple of years now. Here's how a typical ``post to a forum'' session looks like for me now: http://flickr.com/photos/74808312@N00/2961070181/ Having an Emacs instance running in ``server-mode'' means that I can also keep around a bunch of my previous posts, and go back to them, save them on disk, email them to myself, etc. This has helped me feel more at ease when posting to forums, and I heartily recommend it to anyone who feels web interfaces are giving them a lot of grief. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 07:30:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE0791065672; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:30:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E303D8FC0A; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:30:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mAH7TovB091931; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:29:58 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.7.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk mAH7TovB091931 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1226906999; bh=lpBWkl5TD2DVjy qUmTUYMezhDKiBZRVzyQGjMLr5fW0=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version: To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type: Date:From:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Mes sage-ID:=20<49211D66.9030606@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20Mon,=2 017=20Nov=202008=2007:29:42=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman=20|Organization:=20Infracaninophile|User -Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.17=20(X11/20080929)|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20Giorgos=20Keramidas=20|CC:=20Woj ciech=20Puchar=20,=20=0D=0A=20freeb sd-questions@freebsd.org,=20Brad=20Davis=20|Subjec t:=20Re:=20Official=20FreeBSD=20Forums|References:=20<2008111616042 8.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com>=09<20081116195718.F26015@wojtek .tensor.gdynia.pl>=20<87r65a98gm.fsf@kobe.laptop>|In-Reply-To:=20<8 7r65a98gm.fsf@kobe.laptop>|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content-Typ e:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol= 3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------en ig13B36064D3924ECBA8D39C64"; b=n0j+NLKxPnu8Lh0CXasIXIp8qdl666wOwiTs //r9rQYWB8Sv/CFBxDI7nV6HiUW8ZI8+8vnKOn8RYjwg19BrLayNj0p/VvUVVfq7yVM ZYqN0XMgvpgy/Vd79WjAEqO/BeCyuthOTBAC7or5dnqqmZ1vzP6XcPk4BD8SBcAxyve 0= Message-ID: <49211D66.9030606@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:29:42 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080929) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Giorgos Keramidas References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87r65a98gm.fsf@kobe.laptop> In-Reply-To: <87r65a98gm.fsf@kobe.laptop> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig13B36064D3924ECBA8D39C64" X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:29:59 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.1/8642/Mon Nov 17 04:01:08 2008 on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Brad Davis Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:30:09 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig13B36064D3924ECBA8D39C64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > * Having five gazillion posts that say "me too", is not exactly a > productive answer to a problem. Alas, this is often what you get > when you gather hundreds of _very_ inexperienced people and you han= d > them a web interface to freely post short, often unintelligible > snippets that are more suitable for Twitter than a FAQ page. There's a Thanks button feature in vBulletin that can be enabled to help catch the 'me too' type postings. > I've been posting to forums with the mozex Firefox extension and GNU > Emacs for more than a couple of years now. Here's how a typical ``post= > to a forum'' session looks like for me now: >=20 > http://flickr.com/photos/74808312@N00/2961070181/ Oh, wow. That's perfect. Or it would be if it was compatible with firef= ox-3.0.4 ...=20 Cheers Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig13B36064D3924ECBA8D39C64 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkkhHW4ACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzQZACdEm8PwdNL6QOKCRd2Q5KpMnYk xxEAnjmSMrzLDoFuPauyUgiC2n6pdWHq =9OE5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig13B36064D3924ECBA8D39C64-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 08:02:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1684E1065670; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:02:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 801B18FC14; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:02:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl26-34.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.153.34]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mAH82Yr3002336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:02:40 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mAH82YSu094363; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:02:34 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mAH82XqM094362; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:02:33 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Matthew Seaman References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87r65a98gm.fsf@kobe.laptop> <49211D66.9030606@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:02:32 +0200 In-Reply-To: <49211D66.9030606@infracaninophile.co.uk> (Matthew Seaman's message of "Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:29:42 +0000") Message-ID: <87skpqvkyv.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mAH82Yr3002336 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.308, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.09, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@freebsd.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Brad Davis Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:02:46 -0000 On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:29:42 +0000, Matthew Seaman wrote: >Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >> * Having five gazillion posts that say "me too", is not exactly a >> productive answer to a problem. Alas, this is often what you get >> when you gather hundreds of _very_ inexperienced people and you >> hand them a web interface to freely post short, often >> unintelligible snippets that are more suitable for Twitter than a >> FAQ page. > > There's a Thanks button feature in vBulletin that can be enabled to > help catch the 'me too' type postings. Heh, yes. It may take a while to catch on, but it's nice to have it :D >> I've been posting to forums with the mozex Firefox extension and GNU >> Emacs for more than a couple of years now. Here's how a typical ``post >> to a forum'' session looks like for me now: >> >> http://flickr.com/photos/74808312@N00/2961070181/ > > Oh, wow. That's perfect. Or it would be if it was compatible with > firefox-3.0.4 ... It is. I'm using it with Firefox 3.0.4, after installing the plugin from this page: http://mozex.mozdev.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 08:05:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59DFD1065675 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:05:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glyn@millingtons.org) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E02468FC0A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:05:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glyn@millingtons.org) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,617,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="47835766" Received: from unknown (HELO glynthebearded.millingtons.org) ([82.152.120.109]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 17 Nov 2008 08:05:11 +0000 Received: by glynthebearded.millingtons.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E2EA65D89; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:03:30 +0000 (GMT) To: Matthew Seaman References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87r65a98gm.fsf@kobe.laptop> <49211D66.9030606@infracaninophile.co.uk> Organization: Central Church, Torquay, U.K. X-Now-Playing: There's a deathly hush in the close tonight! X-Liturgical-Date: Memorial: Saint Elizabeth of Hungary, religious, A.D. 2008 From: Glyn Millington Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:03:30 +0000 In-Reply-To: <49211D66.9030606@infracaninophile.co.uk> (Matthew Seaman's message of "Mon\, 17 Nov 2008 07\:29\:42 +0000") Message-ID: <86bpwerd7x.fsf@nowhere.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Brad Davis Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: glyn@millingtons.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:05:14 -0000 Matthew Seaman writes: > Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > >> * Having five gazillion posts that say "me too", is not exactly a >> productive answer to a problem. Alas, this is often what you get >> when you gather hundreds of _very_ inexperienced people and you hand >> them a web interface to freely post short, often unintelligible >> snippets that are more suitable for Twitter than a FAQ page. > > There's a Thanks button feature in vBulletin that can be enabled to > help catch the 'me too' type postings. > >> I've been posting to forums with the mozex Firefox extension and GNU >> Emacs for more than a couple of years now. Here's how a typical ``post >> to a forum'' session looks like for me now: >> >> http://flickr.com/photos/74808312@N00/2961070181/ > > Oh, wow. That's perfect. Or it would be if it was compatible with > firefox-3.0.4 ... Well, yes, but "Its All Text" does the same trick for text boxes and it is compatible. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4125 Wouldn't be without it! atb Glyn From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 08:57:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 879F71065673 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:57:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2454F8FC12 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:57:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.185] (unknown [192.168.0.185]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 734CA4072 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:57:37 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081116193828.GB7878@comcast.net> References: <491D59D3.8080809@spansurf.com> <20081114203914.W14337@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <491DDD56.1040001@ccstores.com> <20081114225626.GA56663@icarus.home.lan> <20081116193828.GB7878@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:57:17 +1000 Message-Id: <1226912238.8307.38.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3 (2.12.3-5.fc8) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:57:11 -0000 On Sun, 2008-11-16 at 11:38 -0800, Charlie Kester wrote: > * Jeremy Chadwick [2008-11-14 14:56:26 -0800]: > > > But why are we interested in "converting" people? That > >borders on religious, which an operating system should not be. > > > > > >I'm not saying "we don't need new users" -- I'm saying: if we took half > >the energy used "converting" people and applied it to fixing bugs and > >improving FreeBSD, there wouldn't be a need to "convert". "Build it > >(and secure/stabilise it) and they will come". > > Indeed, what IS the value of more users to a volunteer project like > FreeBSD? > > Microsoft, Apple, etc. want more users on their OS because it increases > their profits. But who gets more money if ten thousand users switch to > FreeBSD? > > FreeBSD already has a large enough user base to attract the attention of > developers deciding which platforms to target with their apps. But even > if it didn't, it has a large developer community of its own, and they've > done a great job porting apps, as well as creating new apps themselves. > New users who are also developers can contribute to this effort, > so it makes sense to actively recruit them. > > But why should we want to increase the number of ordinary, non-developer > users? If these new users also contribute to the project, by working on > documentation or other non-programming tasks, then it makes sense to > actively recruit them too. > > Perhaps there's an implicit calculation that only x percent of new users > will actually contribute to the project, so if you want/need C new > contributors, you should aim to recruit N = C / x new users. > > Some of the comments in this thread have expressed one of the problems > new users can bring: an expectation and demand that things work the way > they used to on their old OS. People who voice these concerns want to > preserve the Unix philosophy and culture, so they don't welcome > immigrants who refuse to assimilate. They don't see those immigrants as > potential contributors to the project; they see them as people who want > to replace it with a different project altogether. > > ...which perhaps explains why some people want to impose something like > a Unix citizenship test. > > Users can also contribute by helping to refine the requirements for > software. For example, my son is an animator and he and I have often > discussed various graphics tools. In his opinion, the Gimp is a > powerful tool which provides almost every tool or technique an artist > might want, but it's unusable because its user interface doesn't reflect > the way artists actually do their work. He says this isn't just that > they're used to Photoshop or whatever; there's something about the > nature of the task that the Gimp fails to accommodate in a natural, > effortless way. He says the Gimp feels like a tool designed by software > engineers rather than artists. > > We need users like that, who aren't developers but who are experts in > their own domain. How much of FreeBSD's strength as a server derives > from the fact that so many of its users have been sysadmins with a keen > awareness of the day-to-day problems in that domain? (It's also been an > important fact that many of them are developers too.) > > So when new users appear and start requesting changes to make things > more like the system they came from, we shouldn't automatically classify > them as "unassimilable immigrants". We should try to understand what > they're really looking for, and whether or how our current software > supports it. > > It's especially important to understand why they left their old home. > What was the need that inspired them to consider a change? How did > their old OS fail to meet that need? > > Sometimes our answer to them is going to be, "No, sorry, our project > isn't designed to do that" or "That isn't one of our project's goals." > Maybe you should consider Project Y instead." There's nothing wrong > with that kind of answer. It's coheres with the Unix philosophy of > clarity of purpose (e.g., tools that do one thing and do it well.) > > So, in conclusion, we DON'T need new users because growing the userbase > is good in itself. Sometimes growth is cancerous, and kills the body. > We DO need new users insofar as they help us meet the goals of our > project. > > (And sometimes new users suggest new goals for us to pursue.) > > -- Charlie Thats a very good point, and in my own case I'm not here to leach off the systems here. I make points of driver issues, but I so far have lacked the abilities to change this; ergo I turn to the lists... That won't be forever, my skills as a developer have grown and now its simply a matter of time to work on these projects. I have a skill such as mentioned here, in the manner of my users have a great deal of experience in their fields (including myself) and can make valid suggestions as to how to make things better. Better yet I'm trying enact some of those suggestions and test them locally with the users. I'm also trying to train my users to use the tools available right now so they can achieve the goals or fulfill their jobs. What goes around comes around, and so with the experience and skills I've gained I'm doing what I can to give back to this community. If every new user does this then things can only get better... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 09:03:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11868106564A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:03:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B17B58FC17 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:03:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.185] (unknown [192.168.0.185]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7EB4058 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:04:25 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081116195441.GC7878@comcast.net> References: <491D59D3.8080809@spansurf.com> <1226700024.22782.30.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081114223200.GA4293@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081114163902.17qwm4xct4bkg4o0w@intranet.casasponti.net> <1226812887.8307.16.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081116195441.GC7878@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:04:06 +1000 Message-Id: <1226912646.8307.46.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3 (2.12.3-5.fc8) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:03:58 -0000 On Sun, 2008-11-16 at 11:54 -0800, Charlie Kester wrote: > * Da Rock [2008-11-16 15:21:27 +1000]: > > > > >The reason for sending the OP to linux first is they will not be > >deterred by the driver and hardware issues. Linux IS easier in this way, > >and has a greater support for hardware that is used outside of a server > >environment. It also allows them to learn the *nix methodology and > >software. > > To the extent that Linux succeeds in making things "just work", it will > prevent or at least delay the user's learning the Unix way. > > Most of us got our Unix knowledge the old-fashioned way: we earned it. > We stumbled over one problem or another and fought our way through to a > solution. > > When things "just work", only the technically curious will explore > beneath the hood to see exactly how they work. > > Maybe we shouldn't make it a goal that every user should have that kind > of deep-water knowledge? > > Should it really be a goal that every user become familiar with the > shell and commandline tools? Why not let them live happily ever after > in a point-and-click world? Maybe, but they will still hit some issues, and they will still find things very different than what they're used to in windows- this in itself is deep enough water for most that are very M$-centric. Why make it harder? Let them get used to the environment, see what actually happens when things are plugged in and what not, then eventually they will be forced to go to the cli to do exactly what they want. Once they get passed the initial chill of the water then they can ease into the *nix methods on the cli, and then they will be more comfortable to use Unix outright, solve the issues with the hardware/software/uses they wish to put it to. Maybe we differ in opinion just a little this way... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 09:17:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33BA7106564A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:17:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D296F8FC0A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:17:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.185] (unknown [192.168.0.185]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B23D14058 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:18:07 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081116224509.B26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <491D59D3.8080809@spansurf.com> <20081114203914.W14337@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <491DDD56.1040001@ccstores.com> <20081114225626.GA56663@icarus.home.lan> <20081115011836.N16077@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116020345.GB15841@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081116125716.E24752@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116142018.GA18047@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081116224509.B26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:17:48 +1000 Message-Id: <1226913468.8307.49.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3 (2.12.3-5.fc8) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:17:40 -0000 On Sun, 2008-11-16 at 22:53 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > Still it goes, the OP is trying to get away from MS-Win, not find some > > non-MS clone > > in EVERY such post i see exactly opposite. they want windoze clones! > they don't ask about how to learn unix, what to read, they didn't read > even basic manuals, or if so - just glanced. > > actually - there is a market niche for true non-microsoft windoze clone! > it's strange noone try to fill it. it's millions of $ to earn! > Try ReactOS- it's exactly that. I think its a version of Wine on steroids... Also I think thats what Xandros and some of it's partners are doing. > something working like windoze, running windoze .exe/.dll binaries and > windows compatible installer but for example not requiring gig of RAM, > powerful CPU running 10 times faster (not difficult to achieve) etc... > > > > i remember many years ago installing linux first time (linux was quite > good that time). i spent 2 months on it reading everything needed and > learning BEFORE asking questions on mailing lists! because i knew nothing > about unix at first. > > I knew only DOS and windoze 95 before, DOS isn't an OS at all, but that > is adventage too. but i needed something that made full use of my 25Mhz > 486. > > Windoze definitely wasn't good in it. it just wasted hardware resources > giving nothing. that's why i tried to seek something different. > and found linux.. after some time NetBSD, then FreeBSD. > > > > today - most of these wannabe-FreeBSD-users just don't want to pay for > windoze. nothing else! > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 09:23:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E04E61065742 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:23:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 245018FC1B for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:23:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAH9N8Q3031080; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:23:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAH9N7l3031077; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:23:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:23:07 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Da Rock In-Reply-To: <1226913468.8307.49.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Message-ID: <20081117102107.S31070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <491D59D3.8080809@spansurf.com> <20081114203914.W14337@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <491DDD56.1040001@ccstores.com> <20081114225626.GA56663@icarus.home.lan> <20081115011836.N16077@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116020345.GB15841@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081116125716.E24752@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116142018.GA18047@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081116224509.B26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1226913468.8307.49.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:23:25 -0000 >> > > Try ReactOS- it's exactly that. > > I think its a version of Wine on steroids... does it really work - i mean all (or most at least) programs work. can user simply put say - M$ Office CD/DVD and click setup? if yes - they NEED MORE ADVERTISEMENT. i will check it today on second disk. if it's OK i will start recommending it all people i know that use windoze. thanks for info. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 09:27:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB1F106564A; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:27:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 233D98FC0C; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:27:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAH9R9Gr031093; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:27:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAH9R8IK031090; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:27:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:27:08 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Giorgos Keramidas In-Reply-To: <87r65a98gm.fsf@kobe.laptop> Message-ID: <20081117102355.J31070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87r65a98gm.fsf@kobe.laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Brad Davis Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:27:17 -0000 >> FreeBSD? i don't think so. > > While I can see the point you are trying to make, and it's a valid > concern, I don't fully agree. > > What you are essentially hinting at is that having a forum will attract > less experienced users. I don't think less experienced people are, for > some reason, 'idiots', but it seems plausible enough that having a there are difference between "less experienced" and "idiots". the latter are less experienced and WANT TO keep it that way. that's the difference. > _large_ number of inexperienced people may result in a significantly > lower signal/noise ratio. I can definitely agree to that. with 100:1 signal/noise ratio experienced people will start to leave the community. or sooner. today we have at least 10:1 > The web interface and ``editing in tiny boxes'' problem may be slightly please note that webforums will attract only one kind of people. those who are not just less experienced but so brainless that they can't even sent a subscribing mail to mailing list!!!! they will not become experienced unix users ever. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 09:28:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A3FA1065677; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:28:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D44BC8FC1C; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:28:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAH9Rgsn031100; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:27:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAH9ReFQ031097; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:27:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:27:40 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Robert In-Reply-To: <20081116213323.0bd71a74@asus64> Message-ID: <20081117102724.K31070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207271.7030609@boosten.org> <20081116202542.T26156@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207F81.7090502@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081116225359.G26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116153224.62bf8b5a@tau.draftnet> <20081117004947.Q27258@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116213323.0bd71a74@asus64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Bruce Cran , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Brad Davis , Peter Boosten Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:28:02 -0000 > > I have the perfect solution for you since you know more than 80 - 90 > percent of the subscribers to this list. > > Why not create you own operating system and then pick and choose who > could use it. All of the source you need is freely available. because it will take too much time. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 09:29:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 000BD106564A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:29:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 384C78FC16 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:29:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAH9TbiS031125; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:29:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAH9TaZH031122; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:29:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:29:36 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Peter Boosten In-Reply-To: <4920F1E1.4050202@boosten.org> Message-ID: <20081117102754.A31070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207271.7030609@boosten.org> <20081116202542.T26156@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207F81.7090502@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081116225359.G26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116153224.62bf8b5a@tau.draftnet> <4ad871310811161545t547565c1ya9a8e2cda2605b16@mail.gmail.com> <20081117005057.T27258@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <9145AB3A-E20B-42FF-B1FC-8FDD7532A883@rgbaz.eu> <20081117013128.U27466@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4920F1E1.4050202@boosten.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FBSD UG , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:29:47 -0000 >> >> So Rolls-Royce should start to mass-produce cars for everyone? it won't >> be Rolls-Royce anymore. > > This is nonsense: better start charging money for FreeBSD then. > FreeBSD will not turn bad (or Linux) whenever more users are using it. if it would be kept high quality i would be able to pay for it, unless the price will be horrendous. but it would not keep high quality - developers will start to get as much users and implement strange but trendy features just to increase income. > This thought is totally against the Open Source vision: software for anyone. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 09:31:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFCEA1065694 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:31:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25FEE8FC19 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:31:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAH9VQmg031157; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:31:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAH9VO8S031154; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:31:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:31:24 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Charlie Kester In-Reply-To: <20081117004642.GA70347@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20081117103101.V31070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207271.7030609@boosten.org> <20081116202542.T26156@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207F81.7090502@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081116225359.G26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116153224.62bf8b5a@tau.draftnet> <4ad871310811161545t547565c1ya9a8e2cda2605b16@mail.gmail.com> <20081117005057.T27258@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <9145AB3A-E20B-42FF-B1FC-8FDD7532A883@rgbaz.eu> <20081117004642.GA70347@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:31:36 -0000 > > I don't want to fan the flames, but isn't that exactly what Wojciech is > suggesting? That Linux went wrong when it began to cater too much to > the perceived need to give former Windows users a "user-friendly" > system? exactly. > > Anyway, I suspect that this discussion more properly belongs on the > advocacy mailing list. The OP's question probably should have been is it? it's not advocacy. it's a warning. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 09:32:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BBC01065670 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:32:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C078E8FC19 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:32:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAH9WTaw031170; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:32:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAH9WT10031167; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:32:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:32:29 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: prad In-Reply-To: <20081116164434.72e7bef6@gom.home> Message-ID: <20081117103140.U31070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207271.7030609@boosten.org> <20081116202542.T26156@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207F81.7090502@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081116225359.G26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116153224.62bf8b5a@tau.draftnet> <4ad871310811161545t547565c1ya9a8e2cda2605b16@mail.gmail.com> <20081117005057.T27258@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <9145AB3A-E20B-42FF-B1FC-8FDD7532A883@rgbaz.eu> <20081116164434.72e7bef6@gom.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:32:35 -0000 > have). > > while there may be some benefit to freebsd becoming 'popular', it would it is already popular within experienced users. number one or two. it's just enough. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 09:35:17 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB931065672 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:35:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zszalbot@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B645F8FC0C for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:35:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zszalbot@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so959192yxb.13 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:35:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=0NCKJKI7Jd06VYnCnd1N53ACHtDl5y0ZLH/7qafJZyM=; b=Upeoyz+IuWvEy4jSn3GdOI8NjQhxd/i54UZL6OVZZHZU4HkfnmyMX9d72+e+q991nt vjwVE9RnF0YH58w5/OAnX+uJQ+QPi933VjRAR1eUzrSA10niKlMhCo4coT8UiZDceLJp YiUiVshByi12bs4Y/Sk2UXSXua+iupksKgEso= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=k8u4CqYtRPRIDUjz+sAyENu2M8tDNAuv68TRTe/Y/2xw429cWVtJdNlTBoZj8oskgv C4v63Hcs/IIzzUW5E1fTZoqaePEftDJPQ553/4l6iy7jjoyuXUzZ3i/95M3OeZVj6sGT 8PVeAYPhVfKLVansrUdcaYIBSlJo0ph4sOA54= Received: by 10.65.121.14 with SMTP id y14mr3557342qbm.37.1226914515679; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:35:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.241.16 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:35:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <94136a2c0811170135y6d2a7f52s5bc302536b7efeb6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:35:15 +0100 From: "Zbigniew Szalbot" To: "User Questions" In-Reply-To: <20081117102355.J31070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87r65a98gm.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081117102355.J31070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:35:17 -0000 Hi, > there are difference between "less experienced" and "idiots". > the latter are less experienced and WANT TO keep it that way. Wojciech - I appreciate the UNIX knowledge that you have but continuing this discussion in this manner seems pointless. Your points are exagerrated to say the least. I am very happy that FBSD now has forums for users. No matter what you say not only less experience people use them. Not everyone loves email. Period. And this condesceding way of talking about possible FBSD users is what I am becoming sick of. I had the luck to be introduced to FBSD by a member of this list. He did so much to help me learn that I am now a happy user. You don't have to help people but appreciate that there are now more channels of communications than mailing lists. Online forums is just one example. Yours, -- Zbigniew Szalbot From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 09:36:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 865CB1065673 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:36:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B38E8FC27 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:36:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id g9WV1a0050bG4ec549cQq0; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:36:24 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id g9cP1a0052P6wsM3P9cPMq; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:36:24 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=KKfX-07t2fMNDjSiLrQA:9 a=9zRJt3DaxUEpcOcB7AYWdMH9UnAA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 127A533C37; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:36:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:36:23 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20081117093623.GA25353@icarus.home.lan> References: <20081114203914.W14337@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <491DDD56.1040001@ccstores.com> <20081114225626.GA56663@icarus.home.lan> <20081115011836.N16077@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116020345.GB15841@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081116125716.E24752@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116142018.GA18047@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081116224509.B26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1226913468.8307.49.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081117102107.S31070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081117102107.S31070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Da Rock , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:36:25 -0000 On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 10:23:07AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> >> >> Try ReactOS- it's exactly that. >> >> I think its a version of Wine on steroids... > > does it really work - i mean all (or most at least) programs work. > > can user simply put say - M$ Office CD/DVD and click setup? > > if yes - they NEED MORE ADVERTISEMENT. > > i will check it today on second disk. if it's OK i will start > recommending it all people i know that use windoze. ReactOS is somewhat of a joke at this point. I've personally tried it, and I cannot see how it can be taken seriously until its cleaned up and made much more user-friendly. There's also been some developer "drama" in recent days, which literally halted the project for months on end, and I don't know what became of that. But does it work (e.x. "does it function")? Yes, it does. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 09:37:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 386481065701 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:37:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 723348FC2F for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:36:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAH9aov2031209; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:36:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAH9aoVJ031206; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:36:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:36:50 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Da Rock In-Reply-To: <1226913468.8307.49.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Message-ID: <20081117103602.T31193@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <491D59D3.8080809@spansurf.com> <20081114203914.W14337@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <491DDD56.1040001@ccstores.com> <20081114225626.GA56663@icarus.home.lan> <20081115011836.N16077@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116020345.GB15841@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081116125716.E24752@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116142018.GA18047@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081116224509.B26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1226913468.8307.49.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:37:00 -0000 > > Try ReactOS- it's exactly that. well it's an alpha state now as stated on their webpage. i wish they will finalize it withing reasonable time. it would be great. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 09:39:17 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBF361065675 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:39:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A29A8FC16 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:39:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAH9dCpS031229; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:39:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAH9dBwg031226; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:39:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:39:11 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Zbigniew Szalbot In-Reply-To: <94136a2c0811170135y6d2a7f52s5bc302536b7efeb6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081117103758.G31219@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87r65a98gm.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081117102355.J31070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <94136a2c0811170135y6d2a7f52s5bc302536b7efeb6@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:39:18 -0000 > Wojciech - I appreciate the UNIX knowledge that you have but > continuing this discussion in this manner seems pointless. Your points > are exagerrated to say the least. exactly the same i heard years ago on NetBSD list, and more years ago on linux list. time showed that i was right. > > I am very happy that FBSD now has forums for users. it already had for years. just required to turn on brain for a minute or less to send subscription mail From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 09:40:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B920A106567B; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:40:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F09418FC1C; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:40:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAH9eU5a031248; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:40:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAH9eUAf031245; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:40:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:40:30 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jeremy Chadwick In-Reply-To: <20081117093623.GA25353@icarus.home.lan> Message-ID: <20081117103920.O31219@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081114203914.W14337@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <491DDD56.1040001@ccstores.com> <20081114225626.GA56663@icarus.home.lan> <20081115011836.N16077@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116020345.GB15841@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081116125716.E24752@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116142018.GA18047@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081116224509.B26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1226913468.8307.49.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081117102107.S31070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081117093623.GA25353@icarus.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Da Rock , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:40:41 -0000 > > ReactOS is somewhat of a joke at this point. I've personally tried it, > and I cannot see how it can be taken seriously until its cleaned up and > made much more user-friendly. There's also been some developer "drama" > in recent days, which literally halted the project for months on end, > and I don't know what became of that. quite bad, as their "donation" page. if they want to do something real then more people (but less than 10) are needed and finally implement all functionality. they could sell it, instead of begging for donations > > But does it work (e.x. "does it function")? Yes, it does. > > -- > | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | > | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | > | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | > | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 09:42:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E061E106564A; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:42:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592FA8FC0C; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:42:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl26-34.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.153.34]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mAH9gcSh016873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:42:43 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mAH9gbTr095094; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:42:37 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mAH9gbWj095093; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:42:37 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Wojciech Puchar References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87r65a98gm.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081117102355.J31070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:42:37 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20081117102355.J31070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> (Wojciech Puchar's message of "Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:27:08 +0100 (CET)") Message-ID: <87myfyhenm.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mAH9gcSh016873 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.307, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.09, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@freebsd.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Brad Davis Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:42:52 -0000 On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:27:08 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> _large_ number of inexperienced people may result in a significantly >> lower signal/noise ratio. I can definitely agree to that. > > with 100:1 signal/noise ratio experienced people will start to leave the > community. or sooner. > > today we have at least 10:1 Let's not be too pessimistic, shall we? :D >> The web interface and ``editing in tiny boxes'' problem may be slightly > > please note that webforums will attract only one kind of people. > > those who are not just less experienced but so brainless that they > can't even sent a subscribing mail to mailing list!!!! > > they will not become experienced unix users ever. We can help as much as we can, by subscribing and trying to keep the S:N ratio high, or we can start whining forever about how everyone _else_ should spend their own time. I think the later is not a good idea. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 09:46:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EEDC1065670 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:46:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zszalbot@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44E688FC16 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:46:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zszalbot@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b6so980089ana.13 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:46:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ESX6MxJPC+sjcuLfLvBi43oLGgivzNHcJIQh7Uz+GbE=; b=ny7bS8iBuQ+35BGg0LLq9jjn9/ftzP+Ju96KiX5BvwzbvaRDbf94APE51a0Kt7wcxa zUFwuXej1I88CptxGg+n+Cd9oJQYRXICeG3f/fVQkaEMVLqhjuZG1yzwTr5HX03QCgQd 5WZDBlChV0DET+LQ+/B1AQCIAKLwa071H5SXI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=YeQOSHpYn8dUB7yRw7YX1Eqimcdax7k+Qh3LKjnSJFlrzZXg0ctgbUP9zVpvNcMTCD Jtk2Fz5lbmvpAZ8zdBXlFkTHufMCqJyRgxj7BhkbmVUs5t69kK+cxJV11p5s/8D73MSY uhE47/VXodh46TDkstr2CtFezWyar3umgie/k= Received: by 10.65.115.6 with SMTP id s6mr3543786qbm.73.1226915179218; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:46:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.241.16 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:46:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <94136a2c0811170146u2dd976fex3cd9f79a9f10943d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:46:19 +0100 From: "Zbigniew Szalbot" To: "Wojciech Puchar" , "User Questions" In-Reply-To: <20081117103758.G31219@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87r65a98gm.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081117102355.J31070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <94136a2c0811170135y6d2a7f52s5bc302536b7efeb6@mail.gmail.com> <20081117103758.G31219@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Cc: Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:46:20 -0000 Hi, > it already had for years. just required to turn on brain for a minute or > less to send subscription mail The fact that you love to communicate via email does not mean that everyone shoud/must/does. And you shouldn't call people idiots only because they have different preference than you. Regards, -- Zbigniew Szalbot From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 09:49:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 784241065673; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:49:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F518FC14; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:49:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from lack-of-gravitas.thebunker.net (gateway.ash.thebunker.net [213.129.64.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mAH9nNqN097613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:49:28 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.7.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk mAH9nNqN097613 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1226915368; bh=A6iCt3YrySN+9A Xl4bhZfzM0n3pLBfETcx61dZo+HKI=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version: To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<49213E22.4 040207@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20Mon,=2017=20Nov=202008=2009: 49:22=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman=20|Organization:=20Infracaninophile|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird= 202.0.0.17=20(X11/20081002)|MIME-Version:=201.0|To:=20Giorgos=20Ker amidas=20|CC:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org |Subject:=20www/xpi-mozex=20(was=20Re:=20Official=20FreeBSD=20Forum s)|References:=20<20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com>= 09<20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>=09<87r65a98gm.fsf @kobe.laptop>=20<49211D66.9030606@infracaninophile.co.uk>=20<87skpq vkyv.fsf@kobe.laptop>|In-Reply-To:=20<87skpqvkyv.fsf@kobe.laptop>|X -Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content-Type:=20text/plain=3B=20charset =3DUTF-8=3B=20format=3Dflowed|Content-Transfer-Encoding:=207bit; b=Zl5xaKXPkIN0ao02bLtyEo9TxKLKn4vX+Od2AX9NaarXBdBs1CpQ3rS2LzSQ3smtH DOxaNpE00BYUhu6VvEQKyytqpSjIZILO3o3QsW+aRwJuLjPG6mS2f4ZnjZ3rnLetWVb GBMuIQ5aC3Coi7jAUhV8fSPMFXCB/0y9Cg3Qa4Q= Message-ID: <49213E22.4040207@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:49:22 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081002) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Giorgos Keramidas References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87r65a98gm.fsf@kobe.laptop> <49211D66.9030606@infracaninophile.co.uk> <87skpqvkyv.fsf@kobe.laptop> In-Reply-To: <87skpqvkyv.fsf@kobe.laptop> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.187.76.162]); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:49:28 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.1/8642/Mon Nov 17 04:01:08 2008 on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: www/xpi-mozex (was Re: Official FreeBSD Forums) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:49:34 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: | On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:29:42 +0000, Matthew Seaman wrote: |> Oh, wow. That's perfect. Or it would be if it was compatible with |> firefox-3.0.4 ... | | It is. I'm using it with Firefox 3.0.4, after installing the plugin | from this page: | | http://mozex.mozdev.org/ | Looks like the www/xpi-mozex port is a bit out of date. 1.9.5 in ports versus 1.9.9 available on-line. Unless someone beats me to it, I'll submit an update to the maintainer this evening. Cheers, Matthew - -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. Flat 3 ~ 7 Priory Courtyard PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate ~ Kent, CT11 9PW, UK -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREDAAYFAkkhPiIACgkQ3jDkPpsZ+Va98wCgik+ojzwwv6JqYh8ysyssL9Q9 SsYAn0y4FcChybrhBJprLrDTOP/zhIcC =36mo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 09:59:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1094E1065670 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:59:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 344A08FC0C for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:59:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAH9xUsa031317; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:59:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAH9xSdd031314; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:59:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:59:28 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Zbigniew Szalbot In-Reply-To: <94136a2c0811170146u2dd976fex3cd9f79a9f10943d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081117105835.D31313@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87r65a98gm.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081117102355.J31070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <94136a2c0811170135y6d2a7f52s5bc302536b7efeb6@mail.gmail.com> <20081117103758.G31219@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <94136a2c0811170146u2dd976fex3cd9f79a9f10943d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:59:36 -0000 > > The fact that you love to communicate via email does not mean that > everyone shoud/must/does. And you shouldn't call people idiots only > because they have different preference than you. it's not preference. it's self-limiting to just single interface for everything - WWW. today common trend. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 10:01:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3397C1065670; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:01:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 464CA8FC12; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:01:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAHA13Ma031343; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:01:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAHA13O0031340; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:01:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:01:03 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Giorgos Keramidas In-Reply-To: <87myfyhenm.fsf@kobe.laptop> Message-ID: <20081117105935.B31313@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87r65a98gm.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081117102355.J31070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87myfyhenm.fsf@kobe.laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Brad Davis Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:01:10 -0000 >> >> today we have at least 10:1 > > Let's not be too pessimistic, shall we? :D i'm realistic. >> >> those who are not just less experienced but so brainless that they >> can't even sent a subscribing mail to mailing list!!!! >> >> they will not become experienced unix users ever. > > We can help as much as we can, by subscribing and trying to keep the S:N > ratio high, or we can start whining forever about how everyone _else_ > should spend their own time. I think the later is not a good idea. there is not much place to help ALREADY, as there are maybe 2-3 on-topic questions a day. and i do answer and help if i can. but soon it will be much worse. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 10:04:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63BFB1065674; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:04:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDD4E8FC17; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:04:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl26-34.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.153.34]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mAHA4AZ5018784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:04:15 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mAHA49sT095271; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:04:09 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mAHA49Fu095270; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:04:09 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Wojciech Puchar References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87r65a98gm.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081117102355.J31070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87myfyhenm.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081117105935.B31313@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:04:08 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20081117105935.B31313@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> (Wojciech Puchar's message of "Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:01:03 +0100 (CET)") Message-ID: <874p268y93.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mAHA4AZ5018784 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.305, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.09, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@freebsd.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Brad Davis Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:04:20 -0000 On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:01:03 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> those who are not just less experienced but so brainless that they >>> can't even sent a subscribing mail to mailing list!!!! >>> >>> they will not become experienced unix users ever. >> >> We can help as much as we can, by subscribing and trying to keep the S:N >> ratio high, or we can start whining forever about how everyone _else_ >> should spend their own time. I think the later is not a good idea. > > there is not much place to help ALREADY, as there are maybe 2-3 on-topic > questions a day. and i do answer and help if i can. > > but soon it will be much worse. I beg to differ. I don't like playing the `old fart' card, but I've been a subscriber to questions for a decade or so. I haven't noticed any significant reduction in the quality of traffic. It still rocks as much as it did back in 1998 when I started lurking around here :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 10:09:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F10341065674; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:09:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DABF8FC08; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:09:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAHA9Qdt031389; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:09:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAHA9QAI031386; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:09:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:09:26 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Giorgos Keramidas In-Reply-To: <874p268y93.fsf@kobe.laptop> Message-ID: <20081117110824.M31379@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87r65a98gm.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081117102355.J31070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87myfyhenm.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081117105935.B31313@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <874p268y93.fsf@kobe.laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Brad Davis Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:09:32 -0000 >> questions a day. and i do answer and help if i can. >> >> but soon it will be much worse. > > I beg to differ. I don't like playing the `old fart' card, but I've > been a subscriber to questions for a decade or so. I haven't noticed > any significant reduction in the quality of traffic. It still rocks as > much as it did back in 1998 when I started lurking around here :) > well there is a difference > maybe this webforum could help by redirecting some kind of folks to it, making mailing list less noisy. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 10:14:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD4C106567A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:14:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from modulok@gmail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C8B8FC0A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:14:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from modulok@gmail.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 6so914149eyi.7 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:14:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=hB1wnB223J6iHItBGdePcJlVRvwhv3C2efi1ZwnLdz4=; b=NcxNrTa7z63sxCBGx3Ef2JnqzsU66bXT1gSeRLR/+tRP4q/hDeiDEzlOAD5bY9KXnV rkCSq7sXhRNjuOp1QcSCk8T+7VvSawnc3Q7dI4Opv8QTzQ9MkSkSHWcUnxfyfVeyqFNq YYO2W1dM7uBfMcWtjOLneJB2OF/HoO+t4cfz4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=VpWycNMKKoooSTvR7nsuVyFjn3iOE8/8hdVCc70pRyYtnfsRXb7KUKLVfZTuWxhgIY yCqDIFDNyRpPOW7iVGuh+sgooOGUybbY409KVMzayAJCp7n2E/B5TuRQ8/l8UEAng28D IgEvgjMIO2d+UdAF38/ptOfOfSLF7TTYJUO7M= Received: by 10.103.174.16 with SMTP id b16mr1203489mup.28.1226916893234; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:14:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.228.18 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:14:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <64c038660811170214j121bc611mbeb932d83cf43252@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:14:53 -0700 From: Modulok To: "Wojciech Puchar" In-Reply-To: <20081117110824.M31379@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87r65a98gm.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081117102355.J31070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87myfyhenm.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081117105935.B31313@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <874p268y93.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081117110824.M31379@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:14:55 -0000 > maybe this webforum could help by redirecting some kind of folks to it, > making mailing list less noisy. If we're talking about signal to noise ratio, this thread is getting pretty high on the noise end of the spectrum... -Modulok- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 11:01:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC9A8106564A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:01:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from f.bonnet@esiee.fr) Received: from mx1.esiee.fr (mx1.esiee.fr [147.215.1.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AC748FC13 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:01:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from f.bonnet@esiee.fr) Received: from mail.esiee.fr (mail.esiee.fr [147.215.1.3]) by mx1.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69855130D82 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:01:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.esiee.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by VAMS.dummy (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D2222D049 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:01:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from privftp.esiee.fr (privftp.esiee.fr [147.215.1.190]) by mail.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54B762DC64 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:01:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from lisa.esiee.fr (lisa.esiee.fr [147.215.1.21]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: bonnetf) by privftp.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 140A53981A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:01:27 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <49214F06.9070608@esiee.fr> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:01:26 +0100 From: Frank Bonnet User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081003) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:01:29 -0000 Hello I don't want appears as an impatient and I KNOW people that support FreeBSD are volunteers, I am a long time user of our prefered OS I just would like to have an estimation for the release of 7.1. I have two new production servers that will come tomorrow - If the release is a matter of days I'll wait a bit before installing them, - If it is a matter of monthes I'll install them with another release. Thanks a lot From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 11:36:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B411065670 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:36:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 261768FC08 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:36:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id h3so1597035nfh.33 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:36:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KVU4evMqzI2FQld3mwqmY07RxcgAJfJeUTmpCxN2w1o=; b=Ouu02QX/8qI30ibkzPkI0YETtvoIN8dJIiOx74+Zr3Ad5wnD5g86HK8O9c2Gq1anNW bAZW1SMv78/q+OKDD1G6QVAsPL0qpZp98BW2J2nc2qCoWJ20uiALRLgGmRQJ6Cqtxb2R P/W1gDkykiMdCI4ZPHA3gO3XZra2LJ4nLuzxo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=wI0Wty60Y/Kv44Mvvt1XiCQAOTLhFxgF26tGzns2kJdRyFJhrtg+kPHWhuK/qpNtsU WzGRqJV0mZHPksDpgWbmBym+eV8z1ryoqy7bJ3aaJS234f/yNO5iGYF0EbNolYQVhiTY C8Led4lbOIUX5dFbuwKbZvgaBJwy5D4Q/npRg= Received: by 10.210.56.7 with SMTP id e7mr3871925eba.25.1226921772721; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:36:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from joshua.freebsdgr.org (athedsl-4529527.home.otenet.gr [94.70.233.127]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm4217607eyb.1.2008.11.17.03.36.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:36:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49215727.2020802@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:36:07 +0200 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080806) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Bonnet References: <49214F06.9070608@esiee.fr> In-Reply-To: <49214F06.9070608@esiee.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:36:14 -0000 Frank Bonnet wrote: > Hello > > I don't want appears as an impatient and I KNOW people that > support FreeBSD are volunteers, I am a long time user of > our prefered OS > > I just would like to have an estimation for the release of 7.1. > > I have two new production servers that will come tomorrow > - If the release is a matter of days I'll wait > a bit before installing them, > - If it is a matter of monthes I'll install them with another > release. > > Thanks a lot I don't think it is a matter of days, we have not even reached RC status yet on 7.1 On a production server you will probably wish to go with 7.0-RELEASE-p5. It would be trivial to upgrade to 7.1 by means of freebsd-update(8) when it is released. You probably don't want to risk 7.1-PRERELEASE on a server, but for anyone running workstations, desktops, laptops I think it is worth trying at this moment. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 12:01:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D78301065672 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:01:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from OttK@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (kalah.zzz.ee [194.204.30.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F2848FC28 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:01:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from OttK@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (localhost.zzz.ee [127.0.0.1]) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40822FD047 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:01:56 +0200 (EET) Received: by zzz.ee (Postfix, from userid 3019) id 393EAFD037; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:01:56 +0200 (EET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin on spamassassin.zzz.ee X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Guessed-Language: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.5 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_05 X-Spam-Checker-URL: http://info.zzz.ee Received: from [192.168.5.3] (adsl215.uninet.ee [194.204.62.215]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2A83FD02D for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:01:53 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <49215D31.8000709@zzz.ee> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:01:53 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ott_K=F6stner?= Organization: TIGMA AS User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080929) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <49214F06.9070608@esiee.fr> <49215727.2020802@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49215727.2020802@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030802020306080808030308" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP @zzz.ee X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:01:57 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030802020306080808030308 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Manolis Kiagias wrote: > I don't think it is a matter of days, we have not even reached RC > status yet on 7.1 > On a production server you will probably wish to go with > 7.0-RELEASE-p5. It would be trivial to upgrade to 7.1 by means of > freebsd-update(8) when it is released. > You probably don't want to risk 7.1-PRERELEASE on a server, but for > anyone running workstations, desktops, laptops I think it is worth > trying at this moment. I am a person, who made a mistake, installing 7.1 on my production server (actually RELENG_7 stable, which shows up as 7.1). My question is, how stupid is that mistake? Is it better to reinstall 7.0 before something really bad happens, or can I just let it run? What are the most serious bugs to expect? Greetings, O.K. -- Testi oma Interneti kiirust / Test Your Internet speed: http://speedtest.zzz.ee/ --------------030802020306080808030308-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 12:02:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30C531065678 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:02:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eculp@casasponti.net) Received: from ns2.bafirst.com (72-12-2-19.static.networktel.net [72.12.2.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C22988FC1C for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:02:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eculp@casasponti.net) Received: from casasponti.net ([201.155.7.3]) by ns2.bafirst.com with esmtp; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:02:31 -0600 id 000D50DC.49215D57.0000E875 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 80) by casasponti.net with local; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:02:16 -0600 id 00130C5A.49215D48.000102EE Received: from dsl-189-190-24-60.prod-infinitum.com.mx (dsl-189-190-24-60.prod-infinitum.com.mx [189.190.24.60]) by intranet.casasponti.net (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:02:16 -0600 Message-ID: <20081117060216.17qwm4xct7b4wwoo4@intranet.casasponti.net> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:02:16 -0600 From: eculp@casasponti.net To: Vincent Hoffman References: <20081116095044.17qwm4xct6bkwsc4w@intranet.casasponti.net> <49204858.6060604@unsane.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49204858.6060604@unsane.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (5.0-cvs) X-Remote-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.18) Gecko/20081114 Firefox/2.0.0.18 X-IMP-Server: 201.155.7.3 X-Originating-IP: 189.190.24.60 X-Originating-User: eculp@casasponti.net Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can rsync with ssh be used on a non standard ssh port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:02:34 -0000 Vincent Hoffman escribi=F3: > eculp@casasponti.net wrote: >> I need to use rsync for backup to another machine using a nonstandard >> port for ssh. 722. >> >> I've tried many variants but none have worked. Any suggestions would >> be greatly appreciated. >> > Hi, > -e 'ssh -p722' should do it in theory > I'm not certain if rsync over ssh honours the SSH_CONFIG(5) file(s) it > should do though. If so it could also be added on a per host basis there. > something like > > Host foo.example.com > Port 722 > User myuser > IdentityFile /path/to/custom/key > Hi Vince, I tested the ssh_config changes and indeed they work beautifully and =20 give me an added layer of flexibility. This certainly seems to be the =20 optimal solution for for different host configurations without having =20 to change remote scripts. I hadn't even considered it. Again DUH! Hello! I can't thank you enough. ed From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 12:16:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C8DF1065670 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:16:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE638FC13 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:16:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 6so934303eyi.7 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:16:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nTzZfcYShUC6mTS4ypBovUPfLGNLqssqce4jZ5b1v1U=; b=f48jV2+ujnWgKpOIOUoyd/v2qBQAu6TgBHhIavAOlLNUDX5OBW8DqZkc+iLAfSvPDX plDeA15MJmofd24Pp5bdb2UWKrvuFadkC5ryZEUneuLJJCOGju+LZ7pA92vFjZQYi6zy Oqi4eogYDFkAN1xS9pCErO5tCT+M7NECurOGU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=cLO5qEbb/fMe5r2J9H6xQfhV0MfG6t2NFXCPFlTwPmsRqOlKzdIZ/ITX7BbNjx4mGW u/+srlXV5n33Tnzho429MJ2oJt84aK3ZHNMXp+KDEu1rWUKbA3M4Yk4k6cKuwXH+7ai0 rIyyAFjVrc1boFfLJ19Nqk15XuRlhPF6qguxw= Received: by 10.210.105.20 with SMTP id d20mr3886364ebc.84.1226924171421; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:16:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from joshua.freebsdgr.org (athedsl-4529527.home.otenet.gr [94.70.233.127]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm4428776eyc.0.2008.11.17.04.16.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:16:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49216086.4030501@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:16:06 +0200 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080806) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ott_K=F6stner?= References: <49214F06.9070608@esiee.fr> <49215727.2020802@gmail.com> <49215D31.8000709@zzz.ee> In-Reply-To: <49215D31.8000709@zzz.ee> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:16:13 -0000 Ott Köstner wrote: > Manolis Kiagias wrote: > >> I don't think it is a matter of days, we have not even reached RC >> status yet on 7.1 >> On a production server you will probably wish to go with >> 7.0-RELEASE-p5. It would be trivial to upgrade to 7.1 by means of >> freebsd-update(8) when it is released. >> You probably don't want to risk 7.1-PRERELEASE on a server, but for >> anyone running workstations, desktops, laptops I think it is worth >> trying at this moment. > I am a person, who made a mistake, installing 7.1 on my production > server (actually RELENG_7 stable, which shows up as 7.1). > > My question is, how stupid is that mistake? Is it better to reinstall > 7.0 before something really bad happens, or can I just let it run? > What are the most serious bugs to expect? > > > Greetings, > O.K. > It all depends on the programs you run, your configuration, system load and so on. Bugs that may be present in the system, may simply not be applicable to you, if you are not using the specific part or feature that has the problem. While it is difficult to assess without knowing specific details, I think 7.1 is generally stable at the moment. Maybe people using it in production servers (if any) can step in and share their experiences. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 05:33:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29F531065674 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:33:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from traveling08@cox.net) Received: from fed1rmmtao103.cox.net (fed1rmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.241.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 013698FC1B for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:33:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from traveling08@cox.net) Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081117053329.UMWI15019.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:33:29 -0500 Received: from asus64 ([98.176.32.63]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id g5ZU1a00G1MjGMu045ZUZX; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:33:28 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eDPtEV2NtFTrkcshWrYA:9 a=HNdBK0Xnq117eLCvAT0O27u1HDkA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:33:23 -0800 From: Robert To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20081116213323.0bd71a74@asus64> In-Reply-To: <20081117004947.Q27258@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207271.7030609@boosten.org> <20081116202542.T26156@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207F81.7090502@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081116225359.G26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116153224.62bf8b5a@tau.draftnet> <20081117004947.Q27258@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; amd64-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:18:57 +0000 Cc: Bruce Cran , Peter Boosten , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Davis , Brad Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:33:53 -0000 On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:50:40 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>> Having a larger user-base is definitely a good thing. That means > >>> attracting > >> > >> NO IT IS NOT! > > > > Well, it sounds like Minix may be gaining a new user soon then ;) > > > > -- > minix doesn't work well under high load. it's not even designed to do > this. maybe it will change, and full DMA ide drivers. will be > interesting. > > it's really well coded. > I have the perfect solution for you since you know more than 80 - 90 percent of the subscribers to this list. Why not create you own operating system and then pick and choose who could use it. All of the source you need is freely available. Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 12:21:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0301065670 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:21:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE03E8FC12 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:21:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C09C8AFC1C6; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:21:56 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:21:34 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <49214F06.9070608@esiee.fr> <49215727.2020802@gmail.com> <49215D31.8000709@zzz.ee> In-Reply-To: <49215D31.8000709@zzz.ee> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811171321.35374.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: Ott =?iso-8859-1?q?K=F6stner?= Subject: Re: 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:21:57 -0000 On Monday 17 November 2008 13:01:53 Ott K=F6stner wrote: > Manolis Kiagias wrote: > > I don't think it is a matter of days, we have not even reached RC > > status yet on 7.1 > > On a production server you will probably wish to go with > > 7.0-RELEASE-p5. It would be trivial to upgrade to 7.1 by means of > > freebsd-update(8) when it is released. > > You probably don't want to risk 7.1-PRERELEASE on a server, but for > > anyone running workstations, desktops, laptops I think it is worth > > trying at this moment. > > I am a person, who made a mistake, installing 7.1 on my production > server (actually RELENG_7 stable, which shows up as 7.1). > > My question is, how stupid is that mistake? Not very. The -stable branches really are stable, 99% of the time. Just gla= nce=20 through /usr/src/UPDATING. The difference between RELENG_7 now and 7.1 when= =20 it comes out, is: =2D fixing of bugs that you would've noticed already (hardware issues,=20 installer / boot code) =2D polishing (dotting i's and crossing t's) =2D even more testing then has been done already =2D 2 week long security review by the security team =2D the packages on the cdroms =2D output of uname -r The release is merely a snapshot of the source tree, that has had more eyes= =20 looking at it then normal. There are no guarantees. If your company policy= =20 requires you to run releases (+ their updates) on production servers, that= =20 would be the only good reason to install 7.0-p5. Otherwise, keep RELENG_7 and once 7.1 comes out, change csup tag to=20 RELENG_7_1, recompile and you're done. =2D-=20 Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 12:49:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BEA1106564A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:49:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from OttK@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (kalah.zzz.ee [194.204.30.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E3C8FC13 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:49:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from OttK@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (localhost.zzz.ee [127.0.0.1]) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2122BFD06F for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:49:30 +0200 (EET) Received: by zzz.ee (Postfix, from userid 3019) id 1F853FD063; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:49:30 +0200 (EET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin on spamassassin.zzz.ee X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Guessed-Language: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_50 X-Spam-Checker-URL: http://info.zzz.ee Received: from [192.168.5.3] (adsl215.uninet.ee [194.204.62.215]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 98F77FD067 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:49:27 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <49216856.7000001@zzz.ee> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:49:26 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ott_K=F6stner?= Organization: TIGMA AS User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080929) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <49214F06.9070608@esiee.fr> <49215727.2020802@gmail.com> <49215D31.8000709@zzz.ee> <49216086.4030501@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49216086.4030501@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000400010800050003000407" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP @zzz.ee X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:49:32 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000400010800050003000407 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Manolis Kiagias wrote: > Ott Köstner wrote: >> Manolis Kiagias wrote: >> >>> I don't think it is a matter of days, we have not even reached RC >>> status yet on 7.1 >>> On a production server you will probably wish to go with >>> 7.0-RELEASE-p5. It would be trivial to upgrade to 7.1 by means of >>> freebsd-update(8) when it is released. >>> You probably don't want to risk 7.1-PRERELEASE on a server, but for >>> anyone running workstations, desktops, laptops I think it is worth >>> trying at this moment. >> I am a person, who made a mistake, installing 7.1 on my production >> server (actually RELENG_7 stable, which shows up as 7.1). >> >> My question is, how stupid is that mistake? Is it better to reinstall >> 7.0 before something really bad happens, or can I just let it run? >> What are the most serious bugs to expect? >> >> >> Greetings, >> O.K. >> > > It all depends on the programs you run, your configuration, system > load and so on. Bugs that may be present in the system, may simply not > be applicable to you, if you are not using the specific part or > feature that has the problem. While it is difficult to assess without > knowing specific details, I think 7.1 is generally stable at the > moment. Maybe people using it in production servers (if any) can step > in and share their experiences. > I have just regular internet things running: apache22, mysql5, bind94, php5, postfix, dovecot, proftpd, clamav, spamassasin, snmpd... ...plus ipfw and pf Actually there is one strange thing what I described here before -- 'top' reporting incorrect process times. But this appeared already when I upgraded from FreBSD 6.3 to 7.0. The bug appears on all 7.++ machines, i386 and amd64. Everything is OK with single-threaded processes, but processes with multiple threades are reported incorrectly by top. Anybody else has experienced this? Also, there was a strange phenomenon with FreeBSD router with pf. the rule in question is: 'scrub in all' I do not knw, if this has anything to do with 7.1 issue. Maybe it is not just a good idea to have a 'scrub' rule on router... Greetings, O.K. -- Testi oma Interneti kiirust / Test Your Internet speed: http://speedtest.zzz.ee/ --------------000400010800050003000407-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 12:57:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BFFD1065670 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:57:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5352A8FC18 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:57:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gCMf1a0020cQ2SLA2CxQoW; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:57:24 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gCxP1a0012P6wsM8WCxPPZ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:57:24 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=54pZ5cXRht61wHULLpYA:9 a=L5RwjfMreCCcCDeoMre8aMUgBw0A:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 36E5533C36; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:57:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:57:23 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Ott =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6stner?= Message-ID: <20081117125723.GA29812@icarus.home.lan> References: <49214F06.9070608@esiee.fr> <49215727.2020802@gmail.com> <49215D31.8000709@zzz.ee> <49216086.4030501@gmail.com> <49216856.7000001@zzz.ee> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <49216856.7000001@zzz.ee> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:57:25 -0000 On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 02:49:26PM +0200, Ott Köstner wrote: > Manolis Kiagias wrote: >> Ott Köstner wrote: >>> Manolis Kiagias wrote: >>> >>>> I don't think it is a matter of days, we have not even reached RC >>>> status yet on 7.1 >>>> On a production server you will probably wish to go with >>>> 7.0-RELEASE-p5. It would be trivial to upgrade to 7.1 by means of >>>> freebsd-update(8) when it is released. >>>> You probably don't want to risk 7.1-PRERELEASE on a server, but for >>>> anyone running workstations, desktops, laptops I think it is worth >>>> trying at this moment. >>> I am a person, who made a mistake, installing 7.1 on my production >>> server (actually RELENG_7 stable, which shows up as 7.1). >>> >>> My question is, how stupid is that mistake? Is it better to reinstall >>> 7.0 before something really bad happens, or can I just let it run? >>> What are the most serious bugs to expect? >>> >>> >>> Greetings, >>> O.K. >>> >> >> It all depends on the programs you run, your configuration, system >> load and so on. Bugs that may be present in the system, may simply not >> be applicable to you, if you are not using the specific part or >> feature that has the problem. While it is difficult to assess without >> knowing specific details, I think 7.1 is generally stable at the >> moment. Maybe people using it in production servers (if any) can step >> in and share their experiences. >> > I have just regular internet things running: > apache22, mysql5, bind94, php5, postfix, dovecot, proftpd, clamav, > spamassasin, snmpd... > > ...plus ipfw and pf I'm not sure why you're paranoid of 7.1-PRERELEASE (RELENG_7 at the present time). It seems like you installed it or upgraded to it, then became "greatly concerned" for strange reasons. I really don't think you have anything to worry about. The only "gigantic" difference, as I see it, is that the ULE scheduler is now the default (while in 7.0, 4BSD was default). I personally run all of the above services (minus bind94, clamav, and snmpd; I use the base system bind, do not care for AV software, and use bsnmpd where applicable), and I also run all of those services on servers in my co-location. We have a RELENG_7 box which is working fine doing all of the above, on a dual-core processor to boot. > Actually there is one strange thing what I described here before -- > 'top' reporting incorrect process times. But this appeared already when > I upgraded from FreBSD 6.3 to 7.0. The bug appears on all 7.++ machines, > i386 and amd64. Everything is OK with single-threaded processes, but > processes with multiple threades are reported incorrectly by top. > Anybody else has experienced this? Sounds familiar (not personally). There are efforts underway in CURRENT to improve top. I would recommend posting your top problem to -stable or -hackers. > Also, there was a strange phenomenon with FreeBSD router with pf. > the rule in question is: > 'scrub in all' > > I do not knw, if this has anything to do with 7.1 issue. Maybe it is not > just a good idea to have a 'scrub' rule on router... No, it's perfectly fine. But your description of the problem is too terse, and the issue should be discussed on freebsd-pf not here. There *are* other problems with pf which have been fixed in RELENG_7 (7.1), and you can review my Wiki to see what those are. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 13:21:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994A9106564A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:21:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anthony.rasat@gmail.com) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379B48FC1E for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:21:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anthony.rasat@gmail.com) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a1so1455122tib.3 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:21:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Md8yxHIvgbksM8p9qyBjmsUomzNcD8NMjFaHFf9njTA=; b=RnWPjPYOW+dqK/aVq3MFWX6G+JOWk+AHZB7XJogemUee89KDshklUOJeXZxNG3j2fn Qku6rxuWB8DGTdLoeXSNWiZOWR3SWkBTofU51I1/fHSFoQ7TcYjxPZ121sJ+8Y/wL5Y3 gCNcWIDlE/b9fYEDmIf3lSCbVSi0HquH3s6eo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BAXp0jl9Tb7DhQ/gJguWWjhD2xyhqNR79r0t+oZDaX3ehb08MgbQe3EeVXKqu3+L9G zo6JImEbfqGKXWKpsThxtX10sw9CZyrYEckpxsKT35QaSrH9kwbZ0J6XcemmwNrHyoMh ikvQ7dcZKfhRSQ1Bqh39tt6wr4xhrFERvSujo= Received: by 10.110.60.2 with SMTP id i2mr5170270tia.28.1226926135028; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:48:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.91.12? ([125.160.175.17]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u8sm775701tia.8.2008.11.17.04.48.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:48:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4921682E.2000605@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:48:46 +0700 From: "Anthony M. Rasat" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080925) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: HAL in GNOME X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:21:41 -0000 Hiya all, Can someone point me to URLs that explain how to set up HAL to work in GNOME? I'm using FreeBSD 7.0 RELEASE. Somehow I can't find it with Google. -- Regards, Anthony M. Rasat Manager - Technical, Network and Support Division PT. 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Raya Kebayoran Lama 12, Jakarta Barat 12210 Indonesia.- Phone 02132185562 Phone 081574217035 Fax 02153651465 Web http://www.jpnn.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 13:35:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E209F106564A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:35:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [66.246.138.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB338FC23 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:35:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FCB01900F; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:35:31 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on muon X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.5 Received: from tau.draftnet (unknown [66.45.161.67]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:35:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:35:02 -0800 From: Bruce Cran To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20081117053502.7cc3827c@tau.draftnet> In-Reply-To: <20081116222222.J26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <491D59D3.8080809@spansurf.com> <20081114203914.W14337@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <491DDD56.1040001@ccstores.com> <20081114225626.GA56663@icarus.home.lan> <20081116193828.GB7878@comcast.net> <20081116222222.J26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; amd64-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Charlie Kester , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:35:33 -0000 On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:41:27 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> improving FreeBSD, there wouldn't be a need to "convert". "Build > >> it (and secure/stabilise it) and they will come". > > > > Indeed, what IS the value of more users to a volunteer project like > > FreeBSD? > > to some level - better driver support. but > windows-converters-seeking-for-nicer-windows don't write drivers. > > this level is OK, more users can make only harm. > > exactly what happened with linux. > > as heavyweight "sponsors" did. they pay but request not just adding > drivers but to add strange-but-trendy features and solutions that > take system's quality down quickly. > > exactly that happened to NetBSD. i recently installed newest NetBSD > version just to look at it. it was damn slow and even slower under > high load!! > > not mentioning linux that got just billion$ total sposoring from IBM. > Could you point out some of those strange-but-trendy features? I tried Ubuntu for a while on my laptop and it more or less Just Works. It boots up quickly, detects all my devices, has accelerated 3D etc. Now I did move back to FreeBSD because I had problems with its autodetection system - in particular the graphics card wasn't configured properly. But that's a problem with Ubuntu specifically, and I could just as easily have switched to Debian or Gentoo where more manual configuration is required - just like in FreeBSD. One of the strengths of Linux is that if you find one of the new trendy features doesn't work, you can generally just build a new kernel - without including it. If it's user-space you don't like - well, that's a problem with the distribution, not linux itself. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 13:40:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B749106564A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:40:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E31C8FC14 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:40:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F22EFAFC1C6; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:40:05 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:40:02 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <4921682E.2000605@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4921682E.2000605@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811171440.03070.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: "Anthony M. Rasat" Subject: Re: HAL in GNOME X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:40:07 -0000 On Monday 17 November 2008 13:48:46 Anthony M. Rasat wrote: > Can someone point me to URLs that explain how to set up HAL to work in > GNOME? I'm using FreeBSD 7.0 RELEASE. Somehow I can't find it with Google. Top result: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=hal+gnome+freebsd -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 14:09:21 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43385106564A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:09:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from OttK@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (kalah.zzz.ee [194.204.30.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC37B8FC16 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:09:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from OttK@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (localhost.zzz.ee [127.0.0.1]) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1667DFD0E7 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:09:19 +0200 (EET) Received: by zzz.ee (Postfix, from userid 3019) id 13E85FD0CE; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:09:19 +0200 (EET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin on spamassassin.zzz.ee X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Guessed-Language: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_20 X-Spam-Checker-URL: http://info.zzz.ee Received: from [192.168.5.3] (adsl215.uninet.ee [194.204.62.215]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AFFAFD0E5 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:09:16 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <49217B0B.7030405@zzz.ee> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:09:15 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ott_K=F6stner?= Organization: TIGMA AS User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080929) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <49214F06.9070608@esiee.fr> <49215727.2020802@gmail.com> <49215D31.8000709@zzz.ee> <49216086.4030501@gmail.com> <49216856.7000001@zzz.ee> <20081117125723.GA29812@icarus.home.lan> In-Reply-To: <20081117125723.GA29812@icarus.home.lan> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070801060702060801000607" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP @zzz.ee X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:09:21 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070801060702060801000607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 02:49:26PM +0200, Ott Köstner wrote: > >> Also, there was a strange phenomenon with FreeBSD router with pf. >> the rule in question is: >> 'scrub in all' >> >> I do not knw, if this has anything to do with 7.1 issue. Maybe it is not >> just a good idea to have a 'scrub' rule on router... >> > > No, it's perfectly fine. But your description of the problem is too > terse, and the issue should be discussed on freebsd-pf not here. > > OK. Thank you! Will subscribe to pf list. Just to finish this talk, the problem was with 'pop3s' protocol. Removing 'scrub' rule from firewall made it work perfectly well... > There *are* other problems with pf which have been fixed in RELENG_7 > (7.1), and you can review my Wiki to see what those are. > > ...and what is the address of this Wiki? Greetings, O.K. -- Testi oma Interneti kiirust / Test Your Internet speed: http://speedtest.zzz.ee/ --------------070801060702060801000607-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 14:20:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD5291065677 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:20:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 836BF8FC1D for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:20:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.11]) by QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gE1R1a00X0EZKEL52ELMYW; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:20:21 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gELh1a00Q2P6wsM3MELi9p; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:20:42 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=hFxLeQ-BPHHGLxNfJacA:9 a=ZjBy8vFkUOe1Xey0zzvqfA8VVfcA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 533EB33C36; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:20:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:20:41 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Ott =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6stner?= Message-ID: <20081117142041.GA31453@icarus.home.lan> References: <49214F06.9070608@esiee.fr> <49215727.2020802@gmail.com> <49215D31.8000709@zzz.ee> <49216086.4030501@gmail.com> <49216856.7000001@zzz.ee> <20081117125723.GA29812@icarus.home.lan> <49217B0B.7030405@zzz.ee> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <49217B0B.7030405@zzz.ee> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:20:44 -0000 On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 04:09:15PM +0200, Ott Köstner wrote: > Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > >> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 02:49:26PM +0200, Ott Köstner wrote: >> > >>> Also, there was a strange phenomenon with FreeBSD router with pf. >>> the rule in question is: >>> 'scrub in all' >>> >>> I do not knw, if this has anything to do with 7.1 issue. Maybe it is >>> not just a good idea to have a 'scrub' rule on router... >>> >> >> No, it's perfectly fine. But your description of the problem is too >> terse, and the issue should be discussed on freebsd-pf not here. >> >> > OK. Thank you! Will subscribe to pf list. > Just to finish this talk, the problem was with 'pop3s' protocol. > Removing 'scrub' rule from firewall made it work perfectly well... > >> There *are* other problems with pf which have been fixed in RELENG_7 >> (7.1), and you can review my Wiki to see what those are. >> >> > ...and what is the address of this Wiki? Wow, I figured by now everyone had it. That's what I get for assuming. http://wiki.freebsd.org/JeremyChadwick/Commonly_reported_issues -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 13:51:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50D2A106568D for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:51:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from web32106.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32106.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1250E8FC13 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:51:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 32427 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Nov 2008 13:51:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=nTXoPmLJeNJZeEkzpsOy9dfMCREl5+5sDokJ/bM0vnrUNbFXnIMAEQS0NISXKmuvpsvsmViBkvXc+UlH/C6Mr5nPa8Orim6s9OXJziQ4fci/ish3w0Wk03oSu0r5/TTwzT1DcvXSQ/kJ41EfSZ2uI45L/27S9RMN8K2d0omkRzc=; X-YMail-OSG: Fyg_Fz4VM1mZxw1oBtqo_8zfOEAR841Bxe_gER4aYW_SofKWkWLrnsEZqvqIfr0sABeqHdLoyERJFdyTYsAmaQpri53EgRv4D_hOfFew38fQf6SKR6ZtucU3tO80aW9N3eeQMF2wSvfNfbrtfBvPDabxgCnwf.eLwOdYpkjO4J__vOLRGgSklRRpag-- Received: from [76.23.177.172] by web32106.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:51:49 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.32 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: <491D59D3.8080809@spansurf.com> <20081114203914.W14337@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <491DDD56.1040001@ccstores.com> <20081114225626.GA56663@icarus.home.lan> <20081116193828.GB7878@comcast.net> <20081116222222.J26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081117053502.7cc3827c@tau.draftnet> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:51:49 -0800 (PST) From: GESBBB To: FreeBSD Users Questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <380405.32405.qm@web32106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:42:34 +0000 Subject: Re: changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:51:50 -0000 > From: Bruce Cran =0A> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 = 8:35:02 AM=0A=0A> Could you point out some of those strange-but-trendy feat= ures?=A0 I tried=0A> Ubuntu for a while on my laptop and it more or less Ju= st Works.=A0 It=0A> boots up quickly, detects all my devices, has accelerat= ed 3D etc.=0A> Now I did move back to FreeBSD because I had problems with i= ts=0A> autodetection system - in particular the graphics card wasn't=0A> co= nfigured properly. But that's a problem with Ubuntu specifically, and=0A> I= could just as easily have switched to Debian or Gentoo where more=0A> manu= al configuration is required - just like in FreeBSD.=A0 One of the=0A> stre= ngths of Linux is that if you find one of the new trendy features=0A> doesn= 't work, you can generally just build a new kernel - without=0A> including = it. =0A=0AUnfortunately, the inability to be able to include the feature / = improvement is also a negative factor.=0A=0A> If it's user-space you don't = like - well, that's a=0A> problem with the distribution, not linux itself.= =0A=0A-- =0AJerry=0Agesbbb@yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 14:44:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2462E106564A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:44:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from f.bonnet@esiee.fr) Received: from mx1.esiee.fr (mx1.esiee.fr [147.215.1.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA69B8FC08 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:44:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from f.bonnet@esiee.fr) Received: from mail.esiee.fr (mail.esiee.fr [147.215.1.3]) by mx1.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C996130DF7 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:44:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.esiee.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by VAMS.dummy (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E9A62FA14 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:44:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from privftp.esiee.fr (privftp.esiee.fr [147.215.1.190]) by mail.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474032FA14 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:44:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from lisa.esiee.fr (lisa.esiee.fr [147.215.1.21]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: bonnetf) by privftp.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 33D383981A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:44:27 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <49218347.9070009@esiee.fr> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:44:23 +0100 From: Frank Bonnet User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081003) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ZFS over iSCSI anyone ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:44:33 -0000 Hello Does anyone has tried to use ZFS over iSCSI ? Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 14:59:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 616CB1065670 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:59:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A318FC1A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:59:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gBfN1a0051HpZEsA2Ezn0M; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:59:47 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gEzl1a00X2P6wsM8aEzlR0; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:59:46 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=YAXHxVuD3xxg3Rc1GXMA:9 a=lHBppbD7plauItRBndaEqGi8hFoA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 95B6233C37; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:59:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:59:45 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Frank Bonnet Message-ID: <20081117145945.GA32162@icarus.home.lan> References: <49218347.9070009@esiee.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <49218347.9070009@esiee.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS over iSCSI anyone ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:59:48 -0000 On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 03:44:23PM +0100, Frank Bonnet wrote: > Hello > > Does anyone has tried to use ZFS over iSCSI ? Another FreeBSD user recently brought to my attention problems with iSCSI on FreeBSD. There is a patch available which fixes the issue, but I felt you might want to know about it beforehand. Issue: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-scsi/2008-February/003383.html Patch: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-scsi/2008-February/003387.html -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 15:17:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE4E106564A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:17:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from f.bonnet@esiee.fr) Received: from mx1.esiee.fr (mx1.esiee.fr [147.215.1.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96FC98FC17 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:17:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from f.bonnet@esiee.fr) Received: from mail.esiee.fr (mail.esiee.fr [147.215.1.3]) by mx1.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC56D130DCD; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:17:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.esiee.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by VAMS.dummy (Postfix) with SMTP id ADFFC300B3; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:17:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from privftp.esiee.fr (privftp.esiee.fr [147.215.1.190]) by mail.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91A8A300B3; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:17:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from lisa.esiee.fr (lisa.esiee.fr [147.215.1.21]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: bonnetf) by privftp.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 302073981A; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:17:50 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <49218B1D.8030702@esiee.fr> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:17:49 +0100 From: Frank Bonnet User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081003) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeremy Chadwick References: <49218347.9070009@esiee.fr> <20081117145945.GA32162@icarus.home.lan> In-Reply-To: <20081117145945.GA32162@icarus.home.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS over iSCSI anyone ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:17:51 -0000 Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 03:44:23PM +0100, Frank Bonnet wrote: >> Hello >> >> Does anyone has tried to use ZFS over iSCSI ? > > Another FreeBSD user recently brought to my attention problems with > iSCSI on FreeBSD. There is a patch available which fixes the issue, but > I felt you might want to know about it beforehand. > > Issue: > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-scsi/2008-February/003383.html > > Patch: > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-scsi/2008-February/003387.html > Thanks a lot for you quick answer ! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 15:27:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55621065670 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:27:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za) Received: from hermes.hst.org.za (onix.hst.org.za [209.203.2.133]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F04F18FC17 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:27:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za) Received: from [10.1.11.1] ([10.1.11.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by hermes.hst.org.za (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAHFGvjS046157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:16:58 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za) From: Jonathan McKeown To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:31:24 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 References: <491D6FF9.20208@zedat.fu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <491D6FF9.20208@zedat.fu-berlin.de> X-Face: $@VrUx^RHy/}yu]jKf/<4T%/d|F+$j-Ol2"2J$q+%OK1]&/G_S9(=?utf-8?q?HkaQ*=60!=3FYOK=3FY!=27M=60C=0A=09aP=5C9nVPF8Q=7DCilHH8l=3B=7E!4?= =?utf-8?q?2HK6=273lg4J=7Daz?=@1Dqqh:J]M^"YPn*2IWrZON$1+G?oX3@ =?utf-8?q?k=230=0A=0954XDRg=3DYn=5FF-etwot4U=24b?=dTS{i X-Spam-Score: -4.399 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.61 on 209.203.2.133 Subject: Re: host based authetication with OpenLDAP and FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:27:52 -0000 On Friday 14 November 2008 14:32, O. Hartmann wrote: > Hello, > I have a OT question and maybe some of the FreeBSD server admins here > can help me out. [snip] > Having nss_ldap and pam_ldap installed on every single FreeBSD > server/box which is capable of being accessed I found in etc/ldap.conf > the tags 'pam_filter' and 'pam_check_host_attr'. Setting latter to > 'yes' implies having the 'host' attribute in each user's object located > in OpenLDAP's DIT for the specific domain. But objectClass=account seems > to conflict with objectClass=organizationalPeople which is a must in our > configuration, so the host attribute is not of any further investigation. Did you not like the answer I gave you in April when you asked essentially the same question? http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2008-April/174152.html For posterity (again) the extensibleObject auxiliary objectClass was introduced for precisely this reason - so that you could add any attribute the server knows about to an existing object which otherwise couldn't hold it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 15:28:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF0F71065670 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:28:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 945678FC26 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:28:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1L261f-0001pj-4M for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:28:31 +0000 Received: from lara.cc.fer.hr ([161.53.72.113]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:28:31 +0000 Received: from ivoras by lara.cc.fer.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:28:31 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:29:06 +0100 Lines: 42 Message-ID: <49218DC2.9000407@freebsd.org> References: <49218347.9070009@esiee.fr> <20081117145945.GA32162@icarus.home.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig6E64D564E19FC43793008EAD" X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lara.cc.fer.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080925) In-Reply-To: <20081117145945.GA32162@icarus.home.lan> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Sender: news Subject: Re: ZFS over iSCSI anyone ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:28:36 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig6E64D564E19FC43793008EAD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 03:44:23PM +0100, Frank Bonnet wrote: >> Hello >> >> Does anyone has tried to use ZFS over iSCSI ? >=20 > Another FreeBSD user recently brought to my attention problems with > iSCSI on FreeBSD. There is a patch available which fixes the issue, bu= t > I felt you might want to know about it beforehand. >=20 > Issue: > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-scsi/2008-February/003383.ht= ml >=20 > Patch: > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-scsi/2008-February/003387.ht= ml Isn't this committed already? --------------enig6E64D564E19FC43793008EAD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJIY3CldnAQVacBcgRAoBAAKDl5Hvt5ShwUkNhl2Tu982q7tz8QwCePZHy wdxqANJydBkynbLyR3S5JHQ= =2C0Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig6E64D564E19FC43793008EAD-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 15:39:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7404106564A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:39:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za) Received: from hermes.hst.org.za (onix.hst.org.za [209.203.2.133]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3F48FC08 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:39:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za) Received: from [10.1.11.1] ([10.1.11.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by hermes.hst.org.za (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAHFSqGZ046358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:28:52 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za) From: Jonathan McKeown To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:43:19 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 References: <200811141736.mAEHaC8L003397@dc.cis.okstate.edu> In-Reply-To: <200811141736.mAEHaC8L003397@dc.cis.okstate.edu> X-Face: $@VrUx^RHy/}yu]jKf/<4T%/d|F+$j-Ol2"2J$q+%OK1]&/G_S9(=?utf-8?q?HkaQ*=60!=3FYOK=3FY!=27M=60C=0A=09aP=5C9nVPF8Q=7DCilHH8l=3B=7E!4?= =?utf-8?q?2HK6=273lg4J=7Daz?=@1Dqqh:J]M^"YPn*2IWrZON$1+G?oX3@ =?utf-8?q?k=230=0A=0954XDRg=3DYn=5FF-etwot4U=24b?=dTS{i X-Spam-Score: -4.399 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.61 on 209.203.2.133 Subject: Re: php5 Only IE Users can View Pages. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:39:42 -0000 On Friday 14 November 2008 19:36, Martin McCormick wrote: > I inherited a mrtg application thatnow is running on a > FreeBSD6.3 system. Clients report that one can see the php pages > when using Internet Explorer but not other browsers that should > display the pages. Those customers see raw code. > > Any suggestion as to what I should be looking for? Hi Martin Bear in mind I'm answering off the top of my head, so you may need to do some digging. I have a feeling that Internet Explorer ignores the Content-Type header from the server and displays what it thinks you should see. If the server is not configured with a MIME type for .php, the default with Apache is to send the pages with a MIME type of text/plain. Internet Explorer will ignore this, interpret the page as HTML and display it, whereas almost every other browser will obey the server's instruction and therefore display the raw HTML as plain text without any interpretation. Check whether Apache has an AddType application/x-httpd-php .php line or similar in the config file. Jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 15:47:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59BB31065674 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:47:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from OttK@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (kalah.zzz.ee [194.204.30.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F1518FC0A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:47:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from OttK@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (localhost.zzz.ee [127.0.0.1]) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4D85FD0AF for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:47:13 +0200 (EET) Received: by zzz.ee (Postfix, from userid 3019) id B349BFD068; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:47:13 +0200 (EET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin on spamassassin.zzz.ee X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Guessed-Language: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_50 X-Spam-Checker-URL: http://info.zzz.ee Received: from [192.168.5.3] (adsl215.uninet.ee [194.204.62.215]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63838FD0C0 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:47:11 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <492191FE.1080002@zzz.ee> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:47:10 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ott_K=F6stner?= Organization: TIGMA AS User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080929) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <49214F06.9070608@esiee.fr> <49215727.2020802@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49215727.2020802@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020900050109060805070502" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP @zzz.ee X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Help! (Re: 7.1) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:47:15 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020900050109060805070502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Manolis Kiagias wrote: > You probably don't want to risk 7.1-PRERELEASE on a server, but for > anyone running workstations, desktops, laptops I think it is worth > trying at this moment. Hi! I had my workstation running 7.0-STABLE. Perfectly well till today. Now I compiled and installed the latest 7.1-PRERELEASE and now Thunderbird and Firefox got really SLOW. Everything works, but Xorg is consuming time constatnly. Scrolling inbox is especially slow. Recompile Xorg, Thunderbird??? Any help available? CPU: 6.8% user, 0.0% nice, 10.9% system, 0.4% interrupt, 82.0% idle Mem: 329M Active, 310M Inact, 139M Wired, 2696K Cache, 112M Buf, 1214M Free Swap: 2000M Total, 2000M Free PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 998 root 1 61 0 239M 160M select 0 5:42 16.36% Xorg 11866 ott 3 96 0 75596K 66008K ucond 0 0:00 8.40% opera 9280 ott 7 44 0 76156K 62604K ucond 0 0:00 0.98% thunderbird-bin Greetings, O.K. -- Testi oma Interneti kiirust / Test Your Internet speed: http://speedtest.zzz.ee/ --------------020900050109060805070502-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 15:49:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A096106567A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:49:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yonyossef.lists@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E6B28FC19 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:49:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yonyossef.lists@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1016663yxb.13 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:49:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=ZB7hfSm8tn5OPhoEAgwHdM0j5J7SSe/9Uts3DtfFGP8=; b=fx5NU/x4aSZ9ICBvdxtTjzuWo5thXvAKfCWov4az+J7d2CKLqGIqyQutSlkBp5LEhn jKoSO2XHT9oWXOsFiss6xuUE1CQE10355MieffXa0qRRj3P+TN5CZ71WKhLH9fZ/d84G lCVSLd24Pmn+UW6iaywRtOPfak/uzkFb1D4hM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=tyJQDN2kP9elpTtvnoj1bxvc4+jjRAdjtEclbctVbwJKHuTv3pOTlpU5mRllaSa6iu 2fEozrPf6WDyzEb/rlIoWGB1EyP7zTTcQZagM/lxhBUR46GaCkd/K2M4rxSAzPOW65/M bv2VuWjjr8QNnCYQN9TuGOCuGCRGt9SZQ0fqo= Received: by 10.150.228.19 with SMTP id a19mr8126968ybh.177.1226936944297; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:49:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.124.5 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:49:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20def4870811170749j70ba5ff7k8de4a64b72c6749f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:49:04 +0200 From: "Yony Yossef" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: cvsup first time - connection refused X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:49:05 -0000 Hi, I'm running cvsup -g -L 2 cvs-supfile with all kinds of host names from this list: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/cvsup.html#HANDBOOK-MIRRORS-CHAPTER-SGML-MIRRORS-IL-CVSUP I get a Connection refused error. Help.. Yony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 15:50:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 704171065670 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:50:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tfcheng@gmail.com) Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 192138FC1C for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:50:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tfcheng@gmail.com) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j71so2483402rne.12 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:50:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=z9pVcGSJVQnV1wZvdFJc5Hjn3yicScqPJn91jnS4O84=; b=dltPFnAADc+fxSbhkuChHj1BlXB0g+x9tGp8eogVRhia3DSRWAdZIz/HMc3zir6aF7 e2nj8aEYQDzCeEomiaadzfWyRo2lYm9G5Amz1Togjw3Mq88/a6oJgIjNWhEx+cvirO4v 6kVDu5IiSYyP5n4ScSO/nvPc1olMy1hvsE24E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ogcFJGuEPsmNOphffvPFs1KlFOiqVr88J7xgVbc9o54ncWmnPPcNIi9ltsfyjekcaO QD7eXQYW0XJThRArE3y8TCireYa9OgUVi/0m9Zk1rUTBjFJZJanvV0BQLJhlXMBiHHRo XAm74jJYTLdAuAqRySBnq2NFJd4zEUu5ts3yg= Received: by 10.142.237.19 with SMTP id k19mr2036672wfh.209.1226937048959; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:50:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.143.20 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:50:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:50:48 -0500 From: "Tsu-Fan Cheng" To: FreeBSD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: seg fault when pkg_delete X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:50:50 -0000 Hi, I have some trouble when "make deinstall/pkg_delete" some ports. I try to backtrace with gdb, and here is what I found when exec pkg_delete under gdb to remove p5-Module-Build-0.30: 0x2815dae6 in strcmp () from /lib/libc.so.7 any idea?? thanks!! TFC From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 16:16:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54381065674 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:16:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex@schnarff.com) Received: from mho-01-bos.mailhop.org (mho-01-bos.mailhop.org [63.208.196.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 706388FC08 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:16:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex@schnarff.com) Received: from [65.102.233.117] (helo=www.schnarff.com) by mho-01-bos.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1L26T7-0002ot-VF for questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:56:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 30944 invoked by uid 80); 17 Nov 2008 15:57:14 -0000 Received: from sf-nat.sourcefire.com (sf-nat.sourcefire.com [64.214.53.2]) by mail.schnarff.com (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:57:14 -0500 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 65.102.233.117 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX1/b+DllyxsjrtiwgvsMDBYnAW88TJIdPto= Message-ID: <20081117105714.19994onozp83obs4@mail.schnarff.com> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:57:14 -0500 From: Alex Kirk To: questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3) / FreeBSD-7.0 Cc: Subject: CARP-Like Solution With Machines On Different Networks? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:16:48 -0000 Hello All, I'm attempting to put a redundant fail-over system in place for a =20 machine that I manage for a non-profit organization of modest budget. =20 For the time being, I'm most interested in having MySQL and HTTP =20 connections roll over to a backup system in the event that the primary =20 machine goes down for some reason, and then return control to the =20 primary box once it returns - nothing particularly fancy. After doing some research on the matter, it looks like CARP would be a =20 winning solution - but only if the backup system was on the same =20 network segment as the primary box. Given that there's no money to =20 colocate a second backup system at the same facility as the main =20 machine (and protection against failure at the colo facility is one of =20 the primary drivers for the failover setup), however, it looks like =20 CARP wouldn't be useful. That said, are there any solutions which behave similarly to CARP that =20 I could use for a pair of machines connected solely via the Internet? =20 For now, I'd even be happy if there was some way to simply do TCP =20 port-level proxying, so to speak (i.e. connections come in to a given =20 machine, and are proxied to the main system if it's up, but go to the =20 backup box if not)? Thanks in advance for any advice you can provide. Alex Kirk ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 16:19:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82E71065674 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:19:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B172C8FC24 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:19:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 7694 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2008 16:19:18 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 17 Nov 2008 16:19:17 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 595B55085A; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:19:16 -0500 (EST) To: Ott =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6stner?= References: <49214F06.9070608@esiee.fr> <49215727.2020802@gmail.com> <49215D31.8000709@zzz.ee> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:19:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: <49215D31.8000709@zzz.ee> ("Ott =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6stner=22's?= message of "Mon\, 17 Nov 2008 14\:01\:53 +0200") Message-ID: <443ahqba0r.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:19:18 -0000 Ott K=F6stner writes: > I am a person, who made a mistake, installing 7.1 on my production > server (actually RELENG_7 stable, which shows up as 7.1). > > My question is, how stupid is that mistake? Is it better to reinstall > 7.0 before something really bad happens, or can I just let it run? > What are the most serious bugs to expect? In addition to what others have said, note that there are numerous issues that have been fixed since 7.0. The most serious issues have been fixed for 7.0 (in the "security branch"), but there is still a good chance that you will have *fewer* problems with what you installed. --=20 Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 16:20:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E296C1065674 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:20:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A3488FC14 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:20:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id mAHGGRAn024028; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:16:27 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id mAHGGRqg024027; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:16:27 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:16:27 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20081117161627.GB23945@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207271.7030609@boosten.org> <20081116202542.T26156@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207F81.7090502@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081116225359.G26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116153224.62bf8b5a@tau.draftnet> <4ad871310811161545t547565c1ya9a8e2cda2605b16@mail.gmail.com> <20081117005057.T27258@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4ad871310811161605l3cbb0335y607e7537102188e3@mail.gmail.com> <20081117010609.C27377@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081117010609.C27377@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Glen Barber , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:20:36 -0000 On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 01:06:34AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> > >>I strongly recommend all of You to stop this bad trend. > >> > > > >Could you please stop trolling? You're not contributing to anything here. > no - because i'm not trolling. simply ignore me if you don't understand > what i write Unfortunately, the only one who doesn't understand would not be any of the other posters. The community is much more trustworthy than you give it credit. The community got us a valuable resource and will continue to do so if people who might take an interest aren't too put off by perpetual negative spinners. ////jerry > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 16:46:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E95AF1065670 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:46:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24AB8FC0C for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:46:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 28370 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2008 16:46:07 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 17 Nov 2008 16:45:58 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id ED31A5085A; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:45:56 -0500 (EST) To: "R Dicaire" References: From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:45:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: (R. Dicaire's message of "Sun\, 16 Nov 2008 13\:12\:14 -0500") Message-ID: <44y6zi9u7v.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: net-snmp port upgrade build error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:46:12 -0000 "R Dicaire" writes: > Hi folks, > After updating ports tree with portsnap fetch update, then running > pkg_version -l '<', pkg_version shows net-snmp is upgradable: > > pkg_version -l '<' > net-snmp < > > pkg_replace net-snmp > ---> Replacing 'net-snmp-5.3.2_3' with 'net-snmp-5.3.2.3' > ---> Building '/usr/ports/net-mgmt/net-snmp53' > > You may use the following build options: > > WITH_INETADDRESS_HACK=yes builds with the inetaddress hack > WITH_TKMIB=yes Install a graphical Perl/Tk/SNMP based mib browser > WITHOUT_DUMMY_VALUES=yes Provide 'placeholder' dummy values where > the necessary information is not available. > WITHOUT_PERL=yes Do not install the perl modules along > with the rest > of the net-snmp toolkit. > WITHOUT_IPV6=yes Disable IPv6. > > DEFAULT_SNMP_VERSION="3" Default version of SNMP to use. > NET_SNMP_SYS_CONTACT="nobody@nowhere.invalid" > Default system contact. > NET_SNMP_SYS_LOCATION="somewhere" > Default system location. > NET_SNMP_LOGFILE="/var/log/snmpd.log" > Default log file location for snmpd. > NET_SNMP_PERSISTENTDIR="/var/net-snmp" > Default directory for persistent data storage. > NET_SNMP_MIB_MODULES="host disman/event-mib smux mibII/mta_sendmail > mibII/tcpTable ucd-snmp/diskio" > Optional mib modules that can be built into the > agent > > ===> net-snmp-5.3.2.3 has known vulnerabilities: > => net-snmp -- DoS for SNMP agent via crafted GETBULK request. > Reference: > => Please update your ports tree and try again. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/net-mgmt/net-snmp53. > ** Command failed (exit code 1): make UPGRADE_PKG=net-snmp-5.3.2_3 > UPGRADE_PKG_VER=5.3.2_3 > ** Fix the problem and try again. > > ---> Processed 1: 0 done, 0 ignored, 0 skipped, 1 failed > > The port is trying to be upgraded with the same version as installed or? The version in ports is 5.4.2.1, and that's the one you want to have. I'm not sure why you didn't get it by using portsnap, but it's been in the tree for a couple of days already. Have you tried again? -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 16:53:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC4C41065677 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:53:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD4008FC1B for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:53:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by QMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gE361a01R0mv7h058Gt7k4; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:53:07 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gGtk1a00a2P6wsM3XGtlhc; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:53:46 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=nE_8qEGawhpSnERzWLQA:9 a=tQVGBf6hkrSg-Hei0brjW7aMvtcA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1E51133C36; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:53:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:53:44 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Ivan Voras Message-ID: <20081117165344.GA34331@icarus.home.lan> References: <49218347.9070009@esiee.fr> <20081117145945.GA32162@icarus.home.lan> <49218DC2.9000407@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <49218DC2.9000407@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS over iSCSI anyone ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:53:49 -0000 On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 04:29:06PM +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: > Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 03:44:23PM +0100, Frank Bonnet wrote: > >> Hello > >> > >> Does anyone has tried to use ZFS over iSCSI ? > > > > Another FreeBSD user recently brought to my attention problems with > > iSCSI on FreeBSD. There is a patch available which fixes the issue, but > > I felt you might want to know about it beforehand. > > > > Issue: > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-scsi/2008-February/003383.html > > > > Patch: > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-scsi/2008-February/003387.html > > Isn't this committed already? The user tells me it is not, and that his replies to the patch author have gone ignored. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 17:21:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id 1B4BB1065673; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:21:00 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:21:00 +0000 From: Kris Kennaway To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20081117172100.GB43367@hub.freebsd.org> References: <20081116125622.E24752@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081116125622.E24752@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: Masoom Shaikh , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: large binary, why not strip ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:21:00 -0000 On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:56:31PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > >most of the programs installed from ports have large binary size on disk > > > >stripping em all reduces their size dramatically > > > >I cannot see the reason for not stripping them by default ? > > me too > > > >do I miss anything ? > > no. I am confused why both of you are seeing "most" of the programs installed this way. Can you confirm that this is true and not just an exaggeration? As Matthew says, there are some ports that fail to strip their binaries because of how they install files (using cp etc). These are bugs that should be reported to their maintainers on a case by case basis. Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 17:21:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E232610656D2 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:21:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EFC28FC17 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:21:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAHHLSjg010644; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:21:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B5261B8E7; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:21:27 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:21:27 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Ott =?iso-8859-15?Q?K=F6stner?= Message-ID: <20081117172127.GB32856@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <49214F06.9070608@esiee.fr> <49215727.2020802@gmail.com> <49215D31.8000709@zzz.ee> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UHN/qo2QbUvPLonB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <49215D31.8000709@zzz.ee> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:21:31 -0000 --UHN/qo2QbUvPLonB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 02:01:53PM +0200, Ott K=F6stner wrote: > Manolis Kiagias wrote: >=20 > > I don't think it is a matter of days, we have not even reached RC=20 > > status yet on 7.1 > > On a production server you will probably wish to go with=20 > > 7.0-RELEASE-p5. It would be trivial to upgrade to 7.1 by means of=20 > > freebsd-update(8) when it is released. > > You probably don't want to risk 7.1-PRERELEASE on a server, but for=20 > > anyone running workstations, desktops, laptops I think it is worth=20 > > trying at this moment. > I am a person, who made a mistake, installing 7.1 on my production=20 > server (actually RELENG_7 stable, which shows up as 7.1). >=20 > My question is, how stupid is that mistake? Is it better to reinstall=20 > 7.0 before something really bad happens, or can I just let it run? What= =20 > are the most serious bugs to expect? It is not that big of a problem. I've been tracking -STABLE on my destkop since 5.4 without major problems. Every once in a while you see a failure report for RELENG_7 from the tinderbox build cluster, which can mean that you shouldn't csup at that moment. And rarely there is a report on the stable mailing list that something's broken and you need to wait with updating until it's fixed. The most effort IMHO is switching between major versions because you then need to delete and rebuild all your installed ports. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --UHN/qo2QbUvPLonB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkhqBcACgkQEnfvsMMhpyU3tQCglz0D23BM2HrrUFXCIxpY8dXj jRkAn0cndExqt2oYvopRZpKaIYq4yiud =L1w2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UHN/qo2QbUvPLonB-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 17:27:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE40B1065678 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:27:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brian@brianwhalen.net) Received: from numail.brianwhalen.net (numail.brianwhalen.net [66.93.34.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA03E8FC13 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:27:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brian@brianwhalen.net) Received: by numail.brianwhalen.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 959AA2843B; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:27:22 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on numail.brianwhalen.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (numail.brianwhalen.net [192.168.15.25]) by numail.brianwhalen.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47C62842B for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:27:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4921A979.9070004@brianwhalen.net> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:27:21 -0800 From: Brian Whalen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <49214F06.9070608@esiee.fr> <49215727.2020802@gmail.com> <49215D31.8000709@zzz.ee> <49216086.4030501@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49216086.4030501@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:27:23 -0000 Manolis Kiagias wrote: > It all depends on the programs you run, your configuration, system > load and so on. Bugs that may be present in the system, may simply not > be applicable to you, if you are not using the specific part or > feature that has the problem. While it is difficult to assess without > knowing specific details, I think 7.1 is generally stable at the > moment. Maybe people using it in production servers (if any) can step > in and share their experiences. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I'm running a 7.1 prerelease from 10-31 on a dual core amd AM2 for mail with spamassassin, postfix, and procmail with a few virtual domains. So far, the only issue I've had is that some new device support was added causing the drive number to change, that was an easy fix once I saw what the issue was. Brian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 17:27:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B2BD1065673 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:27:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 006A78FC12 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:27:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAHHRpIP084008; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:27:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E9EFAB8E7; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:27:50 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:27:50 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Yony Yossef Message-ID: <20081117172750.GC32856@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <20def4870811170749j70ba5ff7k8de4a64b72c6749f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sHrvAb52M6C8blB9" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20def4870811170749j70ba5ff7k8de4a64b72c6749f@mail.gmail.com> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvsup first time - connection refused X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:27:53 -0000 --sHrvAb52M6C8blB9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 05:49:04PM +0200, Yony Yossef wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I'm running cvsup -g -L 2 cvs-supfile with all kinds of host names > from this list: >=20 > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/cvsup.html#HANDBOOK-MIRRORS-CHAPTER-S= GML-MIRRORS-IL-CVSUP >=20 > I get a Connection refused error. >=20 > Help.. First, you should run csup (which is now part of the base system) instead of the cvsup port.=20 Then try one of the mirrors in say Greece or Italy or France. If that doesn't work, check that your firewall or router aren't blocking things.=20 Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --sHrvAb52M6C8blB9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkhqZYACgkQEnfvsMMhpyW/ZACgjwqB2fNONkkQCcWEBQjNu24b WJ4An08yvFB4hoeOF8YXsGBH7naVKu4U =psig -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sHrvAb52M6C8blB9-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 17:53:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 302FD1065675 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:53:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 076B58FC12 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:53:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 4819 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2008 17:53:05 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 17 Nov 2008 17:53:04 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 3536E5085A; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:53:03 -0500 (EST) To: Roland Smith References: <20def4870811170749j70ba5ff7k8de4a64b72c6749f@mail.gmail.com> <20081117172750.GC32856@slackbox.xs4all.nl> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:53:02 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20081117172750.GC32856@slackbox.xs4all.nl> (Roland Smith's message of "Mon\, 17 Nov 2008 18\:27\:50 +0100") Message-ID: <44tza69r41.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Yony Yossef Subject: Re: cvsup first time - connection refused X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:53:16 -0000 Roland Smith writes: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 05:49:04PM +0200, Yony Yossef wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm running cvsup -g -L 2 cvs-supfile with all kinds of host names >> from this list: >> >> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/cvsup.html#HANDBOOK-MIRRORS-CHAPTER-SGML-MIRRORS-IL-CVSUP >> >> I get a Connection refused error. >> >> Help.. > > First, you should run csup (which is now part of the base system) > instead of the cvsup port. That won't work at all with the standard cvs-supfile, which uses CVS mode. > Then try one of the mirrors in say Greece or Italy or France. > > If that doesn't work, check that your firewall or router aren't blocking > things. That's almost certainly the problem. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 17:56:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A284B106567A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:56:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: from smtprelay03.ispgateway.de (smtprelay03.ispgateway.de [80.67.18.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 281C58FC1A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:56:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: from [88.153.0.16] (helo=localhost) by smtprelay03.ispgateway.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1L28Ky-0004xD-JF for FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:56:36 +0100 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:56:29 +0100 From: Fabian Keil To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20081117185629.7b37e591@fabiankeil.de> In-Reply-To: <20081116233612.64f69f10@anthesphoria.net> References: <20081115084600.GA4998@thought.org> <20081115123726.GA32845@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20081115134714.1537e2bc@fabiankeil.de> <20081115134600.GA38127@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20081115172323.23093dd2@anthesphoria.net> <20081116160827.6b83b153@fabiankeil.de> <20081116233612.64f69f10@anthesphoria.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd8.0) X-PGP-KEY-URL: http://www.fabiankeil.de/gpg-keys/freebsd-listen-2008-08-18.asc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/BZHphByBY.lCQZYCEunPdtJ"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Df-Sender: 775067 Cc: Subject: Re: "High Noonn" DVD?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:56:38 -0000 --Sig_/BZHphByBY.lCQZYCEunPdtJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nikola Le=C4=8Di=C4=87 wrote: > On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:08:27 +0100 > Fabian Keil wrote: > =20 > > Nikola Le=C4=8Di=C4=87 wrote: > >=20 > > > On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:46:00 +0100 > > > Roland Smith wrote: > > >=20 > > > > OK, that's nice to know. All the DVDs that I have play fine with > > > > mplayer, but they're probably all region 2 disks. So I should be > > > > able to play region 1 disks with mplayer? > > >=20 > > > That's exactly what I am trying to do at this moment, with no > > > success. I'm in the region 2 and I set my DVD drive accordingly > > > (with a small C programme). Now I got some region 1 DVDs and > > > libdvdcss is not sufficient as such. > >=20 > > Which programs did you try? > > Do you get an error message? >=20 > I tried mplayer, vlc and ogle and experienced the same symptoms like > when this DVD drive was in virgin state (with no region-code set) and > when I tried to play normal region 2 DVD, which means: >=20 > * vlc - no output at all > * mplayer - sound ok, video scrambled in colourful squares, producing > a lot of errors like this: >=20 > a52: CRC check failed! 0.046 ct: -0.029 21/ 18 11% 1% 23.4% 0 0=20 > a52: error at resampling > A: 1.5 V: 1.7 A-V: -0.197 ct: -0.036 23/ 20 11% 0% 22.8% 0 0=20 > demux_mpg: 24000/1001fps progressive NTSC content detected, switching fra= merate. > a52: CRC check failed! 0.045 ct: 0.100 34/30 ??% ??% ??,?% 0 0 a52: er= ror at resampling If this was a classical "wrong region code" problem, the disc shouldn't play at all. I just had a quick look at: /usr/ports/multimedia/mplayer/work/MPlayer-1.0rc2/libdvdcss/libdvdcss.c An excerpt from the comment on top: * \li \b DVDCSS_METHOD: sets the authentication and decryption method * that \e libdvdcss will use to read scrambled discs. Can be one * of \c title, \c key or \c disc. * - \c key is the default method. \e libdvdcss will use a set of * calculated player keys to try and get the disc key. This can fail * if the drive does not recognize any of the player keys. * - \c disc is a fallback method when \c key has failed. Instead of * using player keys, \e libdvdcss will crack the disc key using * a brute force algorithm. This process is CPU intensive and requires * 64 MB of memory to store temporary data. * - \c title is the fallback when all other methods have failed. It do= es * not rely on a key exchange with the DVD drive, but rather uses a * crypto attack to guess the title key. On rare cases this may fail * because there is not enough encrypted data on the disc to perform * a statistical attack, but in the other hand it is the only way to * decrypt a DVD stored on a hard disc, or a DVD with the wrong region * on an RPC2 drive. Maybe there's a communication problem that prevents libdvdcss from detecting that the first two methods aren't working properly and that the last one has to be used. You could try patching mplayer to only use the last one. > * ogle - the flood of these kernel messages with syslogd eating a lot > of CPU: >=20 > Nov 16 22:21:58 black kernel: acd0: setting up DMA failed > Nov 16 22:21:58 black kernel: ata2: FAILURE - non aligned DMA transfer at= tempted >=20 > After setting the region of my DVD drive to 2, I never experienced > such errors (after uncountable number of local DVDs) until I got there > region 1 ones. That's why I was so confident that libdvdcss is a > problem. I think it's only part of the problem. > > Did you try playing or ripping the discs on a GNU/Linux system? >=20 > Hmm, my home is currently FreeBSD-only. :-) But I managed to try it and > - -- yes, it works. Strange. In the light of your post about LITE-ON > DVDRW LH-20A1S 9L08, is it possible that DVD drive causes all these > problems? I assume this could be a controller problem as well. Trying another drive is probably the easiest way to find out. Fabian --Sig_/BZHphByBY.lCQZYCEunPdtJ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkhsE0ACgkQBYqIVf93VJ2pggCgzb1MbS0I0+qNv4QRFarXagai dMwAn3/snbfg7LgJD5xo9X8u+m6/P944 =u3Wr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/BZHphByBY.lCQZYCEunPdtJ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 17:57:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8AC4106567D for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:57:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thomas@zaph.org) Received: from zaph.org (zaph.org [208.86.224.136]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91FD58FC1C for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:57:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thomas@zaph.org) Received: by zaph.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 9ABCAB971; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:38:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:38:45 -0500 From: "N.J. Thomas" To: Redd Vinylene Message-ID: <20081117173845.GM91662@zaph.org> References: <5635aa0d0811140711t6af42ef8i762a37eb059ede19@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD not stable enough for Xen environments? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:57:23 -0000 * Redd Vinylene [2008-11-14 17:32:34+0000]: > > depends on how they do their installs, i know of a couple hosting > > companies doing it already > > Hey! Which ones? Chiming in another rec for RootBSD as well. I've been a customer of theirs for a few months now and very pleased with their service. (Apart from being a customer, I have no other affiliation with them.) To respond to what another poster said on this thread about their clock, I've not seen any problems with the clock on my RootBSD Xen system. I do run the ntpd in base and on average, my clock is usually only about 15ms away from "true UTC". Thomas From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 18:40:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B4F2106564A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:40:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from masoom.shaikh@gmail.com) Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF3F28FC19 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:40:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from masoom.shaikh@gmail.com) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f30so2292070qba.35 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:40:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=0OChwXbPZRxzRSf8bhVF0Y06snHlP4CuU63y2zufKV8=; b=hXubOT0qkdG5nyeqTJ1BSjbmae/4uAKaa0eHz9+16Cklwgh/9AtJ220Hj7QuEGRPft H7f8lFpJdkbe4nBIE5GmDr6tVwbl+DzDGttNjOmm/vmXdia3slqV/EyS8bnUBtSP1X3p KlTVeCQj7sceXOyxK3CIwqUbJZJsVNsroW8IY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=ccMT8iwhcZbnDgGNxOOZ/zqvGUKsXMUIvRrO7ni65H4dhM2h1xB2BPK+FLY5H03rnF cPo0JbrMiylBygh8nn8RE1nFc2w8Vk9xakBg2Dsq8NrW/ULMsMGTWJLq1ukq14wBw92b JEsoQfTfzVjKMwWqvppGY1EE3lHr3Fc0+9L80= Received: by 10.180.228.19 with SMTP id a19mr1081026bkh.93.1226947234971; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:40:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.231.15 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:40:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:40:34 +0000 From: "Masoom Shaikh" To: "Kris Kennaway" In-Reply-To: <20081117172100.GB43367@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081116125622.E24752@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081117172100.GB43367@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: large binary, why not strip ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:40:37 -0000 On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:56:31PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > >most of the programs installed from ports have large binary size on disk > > > > > >stripping em all reduces their size dramatically > > > > > >I cannot see the reason for not stripping them by default ? > > > > me too > > > > > >do I miss anything ? > > > > no. > > I am confused why both of you are seeing "most" of the programs > installed this way. Can you confirm that this is true and not just an > exaggeration? > > As Matthew says, there are some ports that fail to strip their > binaries because of how they install files (using cp etc). These are > bugs that should be reported to their maintainers on a case by case > basis. > > Kris > > -- > In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. > -- Charles Forsythe > Before sending mail I manually stripped * in /usr/local/bin else I cud send u the o/p of `ls -lhS` yes, "most" is bit exaggerated...I perhaps was talking about first five binaries listed in increasing order of size... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 19:15:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98C8A1065673 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:15:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tfcheng@gmail.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C53B8FC18 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:15:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tfcheng@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so2658908wfg.7 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:15:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=vdVkbi8zmLaU/wVbL5ZHsuyAyDyJPaIZu2o9uc6NOA0=; b=SW2Sb/VsPkigviSCOPIwj3XvBnsfkuBPHxAKAOKnEEadzS6G+qNvRBtIWwLfzZie4w FmrSqc4P4YU6RwSPBMPT/poeIGXy/rYxzT/4kEKOqYrNCNiTHSAHA7zunvpbORKmjOcY lZRquA9qsKBnI66ZEvfyLWxtrd3OHa9czAymA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=lNyzDhkyxX0vl+CDN70vDT7a5xGpUGrIya0BFaZcWzFwIkEW4qToOHn/XrKR4bwEst +997qUgLcfgUbMIn0RLQTChe04oDuO/XjIv1+HprjGNgmfWFNIRXoshizMGuOcWRv+F6 TTX+hrC+NnEfPjX3c37c4Owjy0hLuPL3SFZzQ= Received: by 10.142.142.14 with SMTP id p14mr2119937wfd.248.1226949346159; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:15:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.143.20 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:15:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:15:46 -0500 From: "Tsu-Fan Cheng" To: FreeBSD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: pkg_delete core dump X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:15:46 -0000 hi, during recompiling some ports, I found my pkg_delete core dump on some ports (not all of them), when it dumped, it has something like this (print/acroread8): # gdb pkg_delete pkg_delete.core GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "i386-marcel-freebsd"...(no debugging symbols found)... Core was generated by `pkg_delete'. Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. Reading symbols from /lib/libmd.so.4...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /lib/libmd.so.4 Reading symbols from /lib/libc.so.7...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /lib/libc.so.7 Reading symbols from /libexec/ld-elf.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 #0 0x2815dae6 in strcmp () from /lib/libc.so.7 (gdb) bt full #0 0x2815dae6 in strcmp () from /lib/libc.so.7 No symbol table info available. #1 0x0804b50c in ?? () No symbol table info available. #2 0x0810b1a0 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #3 0x00000000 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #4 0x00000000 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #5 0x00000000 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #6 0x00000000 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #7 0x00000000 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #8 0x00000000 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #9 0x00000000 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #10 0x00000000 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #11 0x0810b180 in ?? () ---Type to continue, or q to quit--- No symbol table info available. #12 0xbfbfd968 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #13 0x0804adc5 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #14 0x00000000 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #15 0x0000000c in ?? () No symbol table info available. #16 0x000003e1 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #17 0x28174af5 in fwrite () from /lib/libc.so.7 No symbol table info available. Previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?) (gdb) any idea?? thanks!! TFC From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 19:21:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D811065673 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:21:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F2D18FC1B for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:21:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so1400504wag.27 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:21:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Pi/ef29TAVHgkr7OtynrFfGA/nrlrvL4QPcB63p1zrg=; b=aw8eROIS+J2uDSzQC+IH1PPjYkwXilFsIeEFlimUKJ4xuJPArNXdUmYpg7+qdiJAo+ k2mXcv2cFHiUZWaoD0uzD3szpNHi6ot9T3WChdX6Uf+PioGNYfWSW0Yny14aTSk9oYDD DccmWfmbG/UnsMKQ54/3fR4p5H3U98EtRtrgk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=IWIZNcMeN3FcvM/FHzWRK+Q9mRMRQVqWamXDCGIHcsyMrx53KwIOY+i2pmZKBwAum2 fyXJpQIPjkaiByXa2m9SZiYWjNZi70AQB40MFnOvnkZ6dv/OYgaRs7ptp61F5iRtt8Tb Nx2s0dU156dPR/abuvOOdJsonhnrSD/RPbqlI= Received: by 10.114.184.7 with SMTP id h7mr2682295waf.151.1226949669193; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:21:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.120.9 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:21:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <991123400811171121u7c4cf895kd38d589ff830221c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:21:09 +0300 From: "Odhiambo Washington" To: "Giorgos Keramidas" In-Reply-To: <87r65a98gm.fsf@kobe.laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87r65a98gm.fsf@kobe.laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Brad Davis Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:21:09 -0000 On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:58:39 +0100 (CET), > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce > >> the availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion forum. > >> It is our hope that this forum will serve as a public support channel > >> for FreeBSD users around the world and as a complement to our fine > >> mailing lists. I don't like forums for the fact that I have to wade thro the web to get there, but I have no issues with these for FreeBSD as the announcement says they are " a complement to our fine mailing lists". I prefer the mail to the forums ans ince mail is still there, I am happy as I still have my choice. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" --from a /. post From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 19:22:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 259AA1065673 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:22:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) Received: from ns1.jnielsen.net (ns1.jnielsen.net [69.55.238.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09DD78FC1E for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:22:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) Received: from [192.168.213.128] (BSTech1.uncc.edu [152.15.200.209]) (authenticated bits=0) by ns1.jnielsen.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id mAHJMRVF031184; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:22:28 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) From: John Nielsen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:22:20 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> In-Reply-To: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811171422.21243.lists@jnielsen.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on ns1.jnielsen.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Brad Davis Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:22:29 -0000 On Sunday 16 November 2008 11:04:28 am Brad Davis wrote: > The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce > the availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion forum. Thank you! For problem-solving and discussion my personal preference is still for mailing lists, but given this announcement I decided to check out the forums. I am impressed by the layout and design and the thought that has obviously gone into setting up the categories, etc. I think the Howto/FAQ section alone will be a tremendous resource even for those of us who generally stick to mailing lists. It's only been online for a day and I've already learned something by scanning the rapidly growing number of posts in that section. The forums also provide a valuable means for those of us who don't frequently contribute code to support the community in other ways. Timely, helpful answers to questions of all levels combined with moderation and involvement from a large community of users will make the site a valuable, lasting resource for the projet. I hope to contribute what I can and encourage others to do the same. Regards, John Nielsen From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 19:22:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB7D1065679 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:22:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout016.mac.com (asmtpout016.mac.com [17.148.16.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 090888FC20 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:22:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.227.140.124]) by asmtp016.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.03 (built Aug 7 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KAH00LSYSHGU590@asmtp016.mac.com> for questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:22:29 -0800 (PST) Message-id: <5C9AC885-CFC2-4A35-A21E-CEAFB64694A2@mac.com> From: Chuck Swiger To: Alex Kirk In-reply-to: <20081117105714.19994onozp83obs4@mail.schnarff.com> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:22:28 -0800 References: <20081117105714.19994onozp83obs4@mail.schnarff.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CARP-Like Solution With Machines On Different Networks? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:22:30 -0000 On Nov 17, 2008, at 7:57 AM, Alex Kirk wrote: > After doing some research on the matter, it looks like CARP would be > a winning solution - but only if the backup system was on the same > network segment as the primary box. Given that there's no money to > colocate a second backup system at the same facility as the main > machine (and protection against failure at the colo facility is one > of the primary drivers for the failover setup), however, it looks > like CARP wouldn't be useful. If you can't or aren't willing to pay for a second machine, I doubt that any clustering solution is going to be workable for you, frankly. Most of the high-availability clusters I know about depend either on a multipath SAN or NAS setup to provide a common filestorage point for cluster members to synchronize with (the "quorum" drive for M$ clustered SQL server, similar for Sybase ASE cluster or Oracle Parallel Server [now Oracle RAC]), or require something like a hardware loadbalancer (Foundry ServerIron, NetScaler, etc) which acts to distribute transactions only onto the parts of the cluster which are up and working. > That said, are there any solutions which behave similarly to CARP > that I could use for a pair of machines connected solely via the > Internet? For now, I'd even be happy if there was some way to simply > do TCP port-level proxying, so to speak (i.e. connections come in to > a given machine, and are proxied to the main system if it's up, but > go to the backup box if not)? > > Thanks in advance for any advice you can provide. TCP level proxying is suitable for shared read-only distribution of traffic (ie, such as static web content going against a pool of webservers, all of which can serve any of the traffic coming their way). IPFW + natd can do this much via: -redirect_address localIP[,localIP[,...]] publicIP These forms of -redirect_port and -redirect_address are used to transparently offload network load on a single server and distribute the load across a pool of servers. This function is known as LSNAT (RFC 2391). For example, the argument tcp www1:http,www2:http,www3:http www:http means that incoming HTTP requests for host www will be trans- parently redirected to one of the www1, www2 or www3, where a host is selected simply on a round-robin basis, without regard to load on the net. ...but this paradigm simply won't work for content-aware traffic (ie, anything which has a per-user "session") and it definitely won't work for a database. MySQL clustering is a less expensive possibility than most of the vendors listed above (M$ SQLServer EE is $25K per CPU, Oracle RAC is $60K per CPU), but even so Sun wants to bill at $2500 per day for a week of consulting to set it up for you. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 19:36:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655AF106567D for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:36:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E458FC18 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:36:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BD4AFC1C6; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:36:13 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:36:09 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811172036.11401.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: Tsu-Fan Cheng Subject: Re: pkg_delete core dump X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:36:15 -0000 On Monday 17 November 2008 20:15:46 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote: > hi, > during recompiling some ports, I found my pkg_delete core dump on > some ports (not all of them), when it dumped, it has something like > this (print/acroread8): > > # gdb pkg_delete pkg_delete.core > GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] > Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. > GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you > are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain > conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. > There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. > This GDB was configured as "i386-marcel-freebsd"...(no debugging > symbols found)... > Core was generated by `pkg_delete'. > Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. > Reading symbols from /lib/libmd.so.4...(no debugging symbols found)...done. > Loaded symbols for /lib/libmd.so.4 > Reading symbols from /lib/libc.so.7...(no debugging symbols found)...done. > Loaded symbols for /lib/libc.so.7 > Reading symbols from /libexec/ld-elf.so.1...(no debugging symbols > found)...done. Loaded symbols for /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 > #0 0x2815dae6 in strcmp () from /lib/libc.so.7 > (gdb) bt full > #0 0x2815dae6 in strcmp () from /lib/libc.so.7 > No symbol table info available. > #1 0x0804b50c in ?? () > No symbol table info available. You will have to recompile pkg_delete with debug symbols to get any idea. To do so, do the following (providing you have sources in /usr/src): cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install make clean make obj make DEBUG_FLAGS='-ggdb' depend make DEBUG_FLAGS='-ggdb' all install If this gives errors, it's best to do a full buildworld/installworld. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 19:45:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 263631065677 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:45:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dannyman@toldme.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3EAF8FC08 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:45:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dannyman@toldme.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so1078655ywe.13 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:45:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.120.14 with SMTP id s14mr2940750agc.20.1226951152853; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:45:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.99.17 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:45:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2a5241e00811171145y65e421e8q1210604d8be169b4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:45:52 -0800 From: "Daniel Howard" To: "Jeremy Chadwick" In-Reply-To: <20081116104103.GA98266@icarus.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081110203643.GH27646@obspm.fr> <4ad871310811101530p7b2baa0fk7f7b5118e314c11d@mail.gmail.com> <4918CE42.3050504@ccstores.com> <20081115061957.GA10998@ourbrains.org> <20081116023239.GA89267@icarus.home.lan> <20081116033624.GA13618@ourbrains.org> <20081116050107.GA91940@icarus.home.lan> <491fd833.zbV+im4fHqUJ5RRJ%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20081116104103.GA98266@icarus.home.lan> Cc: perryh@pluto.rain.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: root /etc/csh X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:45:54 -0000 On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 2:41 AM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:22:11AM -0800, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: [...] >> > A statically-linked version of bash would waste significant amounts >> > of memory, while a dynamically-linked/shared version would ease that >> > pain. The same applies for any static vs. dynamic program. >> >> How so? Wouldn't a single in-memory instance of the bash text >> segment be shared among all bash processes, across all users? > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2007-August/thread.html#36647 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2007-August/036654.html "In response to the original post: The kernel's ELF linker/loader for executables will share the text and read-only segments for static executables." This is consistent with my understanding. A statically-linked bash will consume more space on disk, and more memory the first time it is loaded, but as with any other executable, the executable portion of the program will be re-used each time another bash is run. But I am not a developer or a kernel engineer, so if there is a way in which a statically-compiled bash ends up consuming more memory on each invocation for some reason, I'd appreciate an explanation as to why. Sincerely, -daniel -- http://dannyman.toldme.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 19:48:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A6A106564A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:48:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E57E58FC17 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:48:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAHJmKeh063709; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:48:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4BE0CB8E7; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:48:20 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:48:20 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Lowell Gilbert Message-ID: <20081117194820.GA36740@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <20def4870811170749j70ba5ff7k8de4a64b72c6749f@mail.gmail.com> <20081117172750.GC32856@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <44tza69r41.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <44tza69r41.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Yony Yossef Subject: Re: cvsup first time - connection refused X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:48:26 -0000 --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 12:53:02PM -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Roland Smith writes: >=20 > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 05:49:04PM +0200, Yony Yossef wrote: > >> Hi, > >>=20 > >> I'm running cvsup -g -L 2 cvs-supfile with all kinds of host names > >> from this list: > >>=20 > >> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/cvsup.html#HANDBOOK-MIRRORS-CHAPTE= R-SGML-MIRRORS-IL-CVSUP > >>=20 > >> I get a Connection refused error. > >>=20 > >> Help.. > > > > First, you should run csup (which is now part of the base system) > > instead of the cvsup port.=20 >=20 > That won't work at all with the standard cvs-supfile, which uses CVS > mode. =20 And what mode does csup use that is different? The supfile that I successfully used with csup says=20 "*default release=3Dcvs tag=3DRELENG_7". The standard supfile shouldn't work unmodified anyway. The host CHANGE_THIS.FreeBSD.org doesn't resolve. Which is probably for the best :) Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkhyoQACgkQEnfvsMMhpyWN0ACaAheeKa9oTLXWEy6C7zMlXX2w cGEAoJuz3o62GNdG2yVvZQgvVqoZVqeW =dq1o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 19:58:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66624106564A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:58:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24FC48FC0C for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:58:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gF0n1a00J0QuhwU54KyZqA; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:58:33 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gKyT1a00o2P6wsM3NKyUkw; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:58:29 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=J9_yzDYcLmlfNkAK_XAA:9 a=dMvBB6VoNGWyny0Gw4i-BRnzK7kA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 176F933C36; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:58:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:58:27 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Daniel Howard Message-ID: <20081117195827.GA38388@icarus.home.lan> References: <4ad871310811101530p7b2baa0fk7f7b5118e314c11d@mail.gmail.com> <4918CE42.3050504@ccstores.com> <20081115061957.GA10998@ourbrains.org> <20081116023239.GA89267@icarus.home.lan> <20081116033624.GA13618@ourbrains.org> <20081116050107.GA91940@icarus.home.lan> <491fd833.zbV+im4fHqUJ5RRJ%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20081116104103.GA98266@icarus.home.lan> <2a5241e00811171145y65e421e8q1210604d8be169b4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2a5241e00811171145y65e421e8q1210604d8be169b4@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: perryh@pluto.rain.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: root /etc/csh X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:58:42 -0000 On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 11:45:52AM -0800, Daniel Howard wrote: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 2:41 AM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:22:11AM -0800, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > [...] > >> > A statically-linked version of bash would waste significant amounts > >> > of memory, while a dynamically-linked/shared version would ease that > >> > pain. The same applies for any static vs. dynamic program. > >> > >> How so? Wouldn't a single in-memory instance of the bash text > >> segment be shared among all bash processes, across all users? > > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2007-August/thread.html#36647 > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2007-August/036654.html > > "In response to the original post: The kernel's ELF > linker/loader for executables will share the text and > read-only segments for static executables." > > This is consistent with my understanding. A statically-linked bash > will consume more space on disk, and more memory the first time it is > loaded, but as with any other executable, the executable portion of > the program will be re-used each time another bash is run. We didn't get an answer to Oliver's question (see the bottom half of his mail): http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2007-August/036653.html > But I am not a developer or a kernel engineer, so if there is a way in > which a statically-compiled bash ends up consuming more memory on each > invocation for some reason, I'd appreciate an explanation as to why. Someone would need to go through and determine using nm or objdump (if possible), combined with procstat -v, to find how much would get wasted. It also depends on what options bash was built with. For example, I use WITHOUT_NLS everywhere, which decreases the overall footprint a bit. My (dynamic) bash binary on my box at home only links to libc and libncurses. As it stands presently, I am under the belief that the benefits of shared/dynamic outweigh static for specific environments. I think I mentioned it earlier in my mail, but on a machine with 1500 shell users, the benefits of shared/dynamic stand out (think: sshd and bash). I do understand your point and where you're coming from, though. It might not matter "as much" for bash, but I also worry the attitude would start to get applied to other shells (like zsh, which is *heavily* shared/dynamic). -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 19:58:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0421065670 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:58:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0824B8FC18 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:58:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40811AFC1C6; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:58:48 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:58:43 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <20def4870811170749j70ba5ff7k8de4a64b72c6749f@mail.gmail.com> <44tza69r41.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <20081117194820.GA36740@slackbox.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <20081117194820.GA36740@slackbox.xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-6" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811172058.45008.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: Roland Smith , Lowell Gilbert , Yony Yossef Subject: Re: cvsup first time - connection refused X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:58:49 -0000 On Monday 17 November 2008 20:48:20 Roland Smith wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 12:53:02PM -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > > Roland Smith writes: > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 05:49:04PM +0200, Yony Yossef wrote: > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> I'm running cvsup -g -L 2 cvs-supfile with all kinds of host names > > >> from this list: > > >> > > >> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/cvsup.html#HANDBOOK-MIRRORS-CHAPTE > > >>R-SGML-MIRRORS-IL-CVSUP > > >> > > >> I get a Connection refused error. > > >> > > >> Help.. > > > > > > First, you should run csup (which is now part of the base system) > > > instead of the cvsup port. > > > > That won't work at all with the standard cvs-supfile, which uses CVS > > mode. > > And what mode does csup use that is different? check-out only, for the moment. The csup author already has posted work on -hackers for repo-copy mode a few months back. The OP mentions cvs-supfile, which suggests /usr/share/examples/cvsup/cvs-supfile. This supfile repo copies the entire FreeBSD cvs repository. To get anything useful, it needs to be checked out again, using cvs. This is mainly used for mirroring and if you want to get different branches to a machine in one download, maintain local patches etc. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 20:01:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EDC71065678 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:01:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thomas@zaph.org) Received: from zaph.org (zaph.org [208.86.224.136]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F06ED8FC17 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:01:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thomas@zaph.org) Received: by zaph.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 7AE81B96C; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:01:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:01:02 -0500 From: "N.J. Thomas" To: Maxim Khitrov , questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081117200102.GN91662@zaph.org> References: <5635aa0d0811140711t6af42ef8i762a37eb059ede19@mail.gmail.com> <20081117173845.GM91662@zaph.org> <26ddd1750811171147u5cc8f9b3k35f25c6caf9bc14f@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <26ddd1750811171147u5cc8f9b3k35f25c6caf9bc14f@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD not stable enough for Xen environments? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:01:03 -0000 * Maxim Khitrov [2008-11-17 14:47:00+0000]: > > I've not seen any problems with the clock on my RootBSD Xen system. > > I do run the ntpd in base and on average, my clock is usually only > > about 15ms away from "true UTC". > > That's interesting. Can you post your `ntpq -p` output here? Sure: $ ntpq -p remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter ============================================================================== +clock.trit.net 192.12.19.20 2 u 529 1024 377 81.554 2.870 6.477 +mail.honeycomb. 192.43.244.18 2 u 408 1024 377 44.091 10.986 8.250 *tuppy.intrepidh 64.142.103.194 2 u 413 1024 377 67.709 15.626 10.327 +clock3.redhat.c 66.187.233.4 2 u 445 1024 377 147.283 24.455 9.397 +204.34.198.40 .USNO. 1 u 409 1024 377 88.746 20.620 10.405 +tick.usno.navy. .USNO. 1 u 427 1024 377 20.848 18.916 8.212 +ntp-s1.cise.ufl .GPS. 1 u 421 1024 377 45.709 18.067 9.222 LOCAL(0) LOCAL(0) 10 l 18 64 377 0.000 0.000 0.004 This is what I pretty much used to eyeball my offset earlier. > When ntpd is running, its polling interval stays very low (around 64 > seconds) because it keeps having to reset the clock. My message log is > filled with the following: Intersting, I see the same in my logs, but the frequency seems to be much less than yours, e.g. for the month of November: Nov 1 00:08:22 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.129649 s Nov 3 15:33:09 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.137509 s Nov 4 03:11:51 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.237734 s Nov 4 03:34:23 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.150326 s Nov 4 13:05:20 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.317738 s Nov 4 13:32:06 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.560629 s Nov 4 13:54:35 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.265391 s Nov 4 15:43:55 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.163660 s Nov 7 17:31:03 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.130039 s Nov 10 18:29:19 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.169785 s Nov 10 19:46:26 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.146554 s Nov 10 20:27:08 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.891811 s Nov 10 20:53:59 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.774636 s Nov 10 21:35:45 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.384227 s Nov 10 22:33:46 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.194131 s Nov 11 12:34:25 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.433002 s Nov 11 13:01:09 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.335592 s Nov 11 15:17:45 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.933537 s Nov 11 16:01:42 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.510371 s Nov 11 17:29:41 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.133244 s Nov 11 19:16:41 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.191431 s Nov 11 19:42:30 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.458738 s Nov 11 20:09:16 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.207999 s Nov 11 20:36:06 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.143897 s Nov 14 01:29:44 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.134492 s Nov 15 13:13:36 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.199937 s Nov 15 14:45:09 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.205131 s > And so on... Could it be a problem with the hardware on host machine? > I use the same ntp.conf file on several FreeBSD 7.1 servers, and the > VPS is the only one that has this problem. I checked on my other FreeBSD boxes (all 7.0) and none of them (VPS or otherwise) exihibit this problem. > I upgraded my VPS to 7.1 a few months ago, but I don't remember if I > had this problem when using 7. Mine is a 7.0. Thomas From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 20:07:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566FC1065670 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:07:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be (hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be [143.129.75.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6BBA8FC0A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:07:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAHK77Jp001697 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:07:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (pdon@localhost) by hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id mAHK77gv001694 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:07:07 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be: pdon owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:07:07 +0100 (CET) From: Pieter Donche X-X-Sender: pdon@hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: KDE Login Manager leaves unexpectedly X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Pieter Donche List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:07:10 -0000 In FreeSBD 7.0, set up KDE 3.5. I want to change settings in KDE Settings/SystemAdministration / LoginManager (no shutdown possibility for a non-root privilege user) This asks for the root password, I enter the correct root password, click OK, and that dialog window closes and I back in the desktop ... Why ??? (the root password is certainly correct, if I change a letter, I get Incorrect Password; try again) I can choose 'ignore' and continue with non-root privileges, but when I want to change something that requires root privileges, same dialog box and when entering correct password, the dialog window closes... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 20:08:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF32D1065673 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:08:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D2EF8FC0C for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:08:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gFZ81a0011GXsucA3L8qkB; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:08:50 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gL8p1a00G2P6wsM8TL8p9i; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:08:49 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=CCw1NJCUhGoA:10 a=Yr5oENspLq8A:10 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=4KoO2YX1LovSym-8e9cA:9 a=_ux4B4UbW8gy6Bb6l6gA:7 a=OOWjY0TcgCetDJHP7bUUvPP1RwoA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5D93E33C37; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:08:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:08:49 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: "N.J. Thomas" Message-ID: <20081117200849.GA38672@icarus.home.lan> References: <5635aa0d0811140711t6af42ef8i762a37eb059ede19@mail.gmail.com> <20081117173845.GM91662@zaph.org> <26ddd1750811171147u5cc8f9b3k35f25c6caf9bc14f@mail.gmail.com> <20081117200102.GN91662@zaph.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081117200102.GN91662@zaph.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Maxim Khitrov , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD not stable enough for Xen environments? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:08:50 -0000 On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 03:01:02PM -0500, N.J. Thomas wrote: > * Maxim Khitrov [2008-11-17 14:47:00+0000]: > > > I've not seen any problems with the clock on my RootBSD Xen system. > > > I do run the ntpd in base and on average, my clock is usually only > > > about 15ms away from "true UTC". > > > > That's interesting. Can you post your `ntpq -p` output here? > > Sure: > > $ ntpq -p > remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter > ============================================================================== > +clock.trit.net 192.12.19.20 2 u 529 1024 377 81.554 2.870 6.477 > +mail.honeycomb. 192.43.244.18 2 u 408 1024 377 44.091 10.986 8.250 > *tuppy.intrepidh 64.142.103.194 2 u 413 1024 377 67.709 15.626 10.327 > +clock3.redhat.c 66.187.233.4 2 u 445 1024 377 147.283 24.455 9.397 > +204.34.198.40 .USNO. 1 u 409 1024 377 88.746 20.620 10.405 > +tick.usno.navy. .USNO. 1 u 427 1024 377 20.848 18.916 8.212 > +ntp-s1.cise.ufl .GPS. 1 u 421 1024 377 45.709 18.067 9.222 > LOCAL(0) LOCAL(0) 10 l 18 64 377 0.000 0.000 0.004 > > This is what I pretty much used to eyeball my offset earlier. > > > When ntpd is running, its polling interval stays very low (around 64 > > seconds) because it keeps having to reset the clock. My message log is > > filled with the following: > > Intersting, I see the same in my logs, but the frequency seems to be > much less than yours, e.g. for the month of November: > > Nov 1 00:08:22 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.129649 s > Nov 3 15:33:09 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.137509 s > Nov 4 03:11:51 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.237734 s > Nov 4 03:34:23 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.150326 s > Nov 4 13:05:20 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.317738 s > Nov 4 13:32:06 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.560629 s > Nov 4 13:54:35 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.265391 s > Nov 4 15:43:55 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.163660 s > Nov 7 17:31:03 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.130039 s > Nov 10 18:29:19 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.169785 s > Nov 10 19:46:26 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.146554 s > Nov 10 20:27:08 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.891811 s > Nov 10 20:53:59 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.774636 s > Nov 10 21:35:45 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.384227 s > Nov 10 22:33:46 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.194131 s > Nov 11 12:34:25 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.433002 s > Nov 11 13:01:09 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.335592 s > Nov 11 15:17:45 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.933537 s > Nov 11 16:01:42 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.510371 s > Nov 11 17:29:41 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.133244 s > Nov 11 19:16:41 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.191431 s > Nov 11 19:42:30 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.458738 s > Nov 11 20:09:16 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.207999 s > Nov 11 20:36:06 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.143897 s > Nov 14 01:29:44 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.134492 s > Nov 15 13:13:36 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.199937 s > Nov 15 14:45:09 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.205131 s What time counter source does this box have available? The following will list what's being used (hardware) and what's available (choice): sysctl kern.timecounter.choice sysctl kern.timecounter.hardware Other ideas: Look into the "fudge" operator of ntp.conf. Try deleting your ntp driftfile. Note that if you do this, it will take a day or two for things to "level out". It tries to figure out the "average" skew rate your system clock has. > > And so on... Could it be a problem with the hardware on host machine? > > I use the same ntp.conf file on several FreeBSD 7.1 servers, and the > > VPS is the only one that has this problem. > > I checked on my other FreeBSD boxes (all 7.0) and none of them (VPS or > otherwise) exihibit this problem. Then there's a very good possibility it's hardware-related. At my workplace, we've had two separate machines in the past couple months had clocks which "went crazy" -- ntpd reporting 4-5 seconds of skew every 25-30 minutes. In both cases, the problem turned out to be broken/bad hardware (crystal or TSC gone bad). Just something to keep in mind. :-) -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. 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Thomas" In-Reply-To: <20081117173845.GM91662@zaph.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <5635aa0d0811140711t6af42ef8i762a37eb059ede19@mail.gmail.com> <20081117173845.GM91662@zaph.org> Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Redd Vinylene Subject: Re: FreeBSD not stable enough for Xen environments? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:11:46 -0000 On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 12:38 PM, N.J. Thomas wrote: > * Redd Vinylene [2008-11-14 17:32:34+0000]: >> > depends on how they do their installs, i know of a couple hosting >> > companies doing it already >> >> Hey! Which ones? > > > To respond to what another poster said on this thread about their clock, > I've not seen any problems with the clock on my RootBSD Xen system. I do > run the ntpd in base and on average, my clock is usually only about 15ms > away from "true UTC". > > Thomas That's interesting. Can you post your `ntpq -p` output here? For me the problem is not just the inaccuracy without ntpd. When ntpd is running, its polling interval stays very low (around 64 seconds) because it keeps having to reset the clock. My message log is filled with the following: Nov 17 03:59:35 ntpd[568]: time reset +1.684038 s Nov 17 04:18:44 ntpd[568]: time reset +1.840754 s Nov 17 04:37:33 ntpd[568]: time reset +1.581726 s Nov 17 04:57:28 ntpd[568]: time reset +2.078004 s Nov 17 05:16:48 ntpd[568]: time reset +1.558386 s Nov 17 05:36:41 ntpd[568]: time reset +2.245156 s Nov 17 05:56:07 ntpd[568]: time reset +1.486516 s Nov 17 06:23:25 ntpd[568]: time reset +2.386411 s Nov 17 06:59:47 ntpd[568]: time reset +3.175640 s Nov 17 07:19:02 ntpd[568]: time reset +1.134997 s Nov 17 07:38:01 ntpd[568]: time reset +1.499600 s And so on... Could it be a problem with the hardware on host machine? I use the same ntp.conf file on several FreeBSD 7.1 servers, and the VPS is the only one that has this problem. Actually, that's another thing - I upgraded my VPS to 7.1 a few months ago, but I don't remember if I had this problem when using 7.0. Anyone know if there were changes made to 7.1 that would make the OS behave differently under Xen? - Max From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 20:12:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B812D106567B; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:12:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2463B8FC1F; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:12:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mAHKCZCC024889; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:12:36 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.7.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk mAHKCZCC024889 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1226952756; bh=SJUk8Zzh2gpZu6 8Il9HiSQub79YSIM+UoM5FGi9e118=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version: To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type: Date:From:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Mes sage-ID:=20<4921D02E.2030909@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20Mon,=2 017=20Nov=202008=2020:12:30=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman=20|Organization:=20Infracaninophile|User -Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.17=20(X11/20080929)|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20Giorgos=20Keramidas=20|CC:=20freebsd -questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20www/xpi-mozex=20(was=20Re:= 20Official=20FreeBSD=20Forums)|References:=20<20081116160428.GD7904 6@valentine.liquidneon.com>=09<20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor. gdynia.pl>=09<87r65a98gm.fsf@kobe.laptop>=09<49211D66.9030606@infra caninophile.co.uk>=09<87skpqvkyv.fsf@kobe.laptop>=20<49213E22.40402 07@infracaninophile.co.uk>|In-Reply-To:=20<49213E22.4040207@infraca ninophile.co.uk>|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content-Type:=20multi part/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"applica tion/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig821182D9 13FD52AE7491555D"; b=Elu5fx3BNOLrsrQMcKkLnzvSwR2xXHrd5sGejgkU5xLYqT g7qfF6zF3ikwsqp+OLA/0Zlw3PvfzTg0xPhXNIIEJ0otZE3DFGyA1122cragW5HWB0C evkvxpY7kMw7aGnmL7xSKivtglZ65z+/cSSKonoCDuJXPS0XeQQb9CwTwc= Message-ID: <4921D02E.2030909@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:12:30 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080929) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Giorgos Keramidas References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87r65a98gm.fsf@kobe.laptop> <49211D66.9030606@infracaninophile.co.uk> <87skpqvkyv.fsf@kobe.laptop> <49213E22.4040207@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49213E22.4040207@infracaninophile.co.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig821182D913FD52AE7491555D" X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:12:36 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.1/8642/Mon Nov 17 04:01:08 2008 on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: www/xpi-mozex (was Re: Official FreeBSD Forums) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:12:40 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig821182D913FD52AE7491555D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Matthew Seaman wrote: > Looks like the www/xpi-mozex port is a bit out of date. 1.9.5 in ports= > versus 1.9.9 available on-line. Unless someone beats me to it, I'll > submit an update to the maintainer this evening. ports/128945 Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig821182D913FD52AE7491555D Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkkh0DMACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzHkQCffu+xn66cKXwCbKlj/IQ/hjk6 cWUAn1gPJUOeEbs8Q1+ldtnfTnb7aKu/ =6DzA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig821182D913FD52AE7491555D-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 20:23:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2BEF1065673 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:23:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be (hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be [143.129.75.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB258FC08 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:23:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAHKNeAX001930 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:23:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (pdon@localhost) by hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id mAHKNeX0001927 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:23:40 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be: pdon owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:23:40 +0100 (CET) From: Pieter Donche X-X-Sender: pdon@hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: KDE Login Manager leaves unexpectedly (2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Pieter Donche List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:23:42 -0000 Addendum at the end: On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Pieter Donche wrote: > In FreeSBD 7.0, set up KDE 3.5. > I want to change settings in KDE Settings/SystemAdministration / LoginManager > (no shutdown possibility for a non-root privilege user) > > This asks for the root password, I enter the correct root password, > click OK, and that dialog window closes and I back in the desktop ... > > Why ??? > > (the root password is certainly correct, if I change a letter, I get > Incorrect Password; try again) > > I can choose 'ignore' and continue with non-root privileges, but when > I want to change something that requires root privileges, same dialog > box and when entering correct password, the dialog window closes... When I first click at the bottom, the button 'Adminstrator Mode' same dialog box, that closes at correct root password, but I am still left in non-root privileges (although there is now a red line arround the dialog window) but most of the settings that one should be able to change are grey .. because I still am not yet in root-privilege mode the user I was logged in which is part ot the group wheel (I a terminal window I can do aan su -, give the root paswsword and have all root privileges) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 20:29:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE8C106564A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:29:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thomas@zaph.org) Received: from zaph.org (zaph.org [208.86.224.136]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C048FC20 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:29:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thomas@zaph.org) Received: by zaph.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 16683B96D; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:29:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:29:05 -0500 From: "N.J. Thomas" To: Jeremy Chadwick Message-ID: <20081117202905.GO91662@zaph.org> References: <5635aa0d0811140711t6af42ef8i762a37eb059ede19@mail.gmail.com> <20081117173845.GM91662@zaph.org> <26ddd1750811171147u5cc8f9b3k35f25c6caf9bc14f@mail.gmail.com> <20081117200102.GN91662@zaph.org> <20081117200849.GA38672@icarus.home.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081117200849.GA38672@icarus.home.lan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD not stable enough for Xen environments? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:29:05 -0000 * Jeremy Chadwick [2008-11-17 12:08:49+0000]: > > Intersting, I see the same in my logs, but the frequency seems to be > > much less than yours, e.g. for the month of November: > > What time counter source does this box have available? kern.timecounter.choice: TSC(-100) i8254(0) dummy(-1000000) kern.timecounter.hardware: i8254 > Other ideas: > Look into the "fudge" operator of ntp.conf. Yeah, I'm already fudging my local clock a bit. From my ntp.conf: # local clock server 127.127.1.0 # don't trust local clock too much fudge 127.127.1.0 stratum 10 > Try deleting your ntp driftfile. Note that if you do this, it will take > a day or two for things to "level out". It tries to figure out the > "average" skew rate your system clock has. Hmm, my drift file looks decent enough: $ cat /var/db/ntp.drift 10.047 And it's being updated regularly enough. > Then there's a very good possibility it's hardware-related. I'll ask the hosting company about it though to see if anyone has brought this up. Thomas From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 20:33:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26E521065670 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:33:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be (hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be [143.129.75.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7BA28FC18 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:33:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAHKXEDT002075 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:33:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (pdon@localhost) by hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id mAHKXE8u002072 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:33:14 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be: pdon owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:33:14 +0100 (CET) From: Pieter Donche X-X-Sender: pdon@hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: KDE Login Manager leaves unexpectedly (3) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Pieter Donche List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:33:16 -0000 Second Addendum at the end: On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Pieter Donche wrote: > In FreeSBD 7.0, set up KDE 3.5. > I want to change settings in KDE Settings/SystemAdministration / LoginManager > (no shutdown possibility for a non-root privilege user) > > This asks for the root password, I enter the correct root password, > click OK, and that dialog window closes and I back in the desktop ... > > Why ??? > > (the root password is certainly correct, if I change a letter, I get > Incorrect Password; try again) > > I can choose 'ignore' and continue with non-root privileges, but when > I want to change something that requires root privileges, same dialog > box and when entering correct password, the dialog window closes... When I first click at the bottom, the button 'Adminstrator Mode' same dialog box, that closes at correct root password, but I am still left in non-root privileges (although there is now a red line arround the dialog window) but most of the settings that one should be able to change are grey .. because I still am not yet in root-privilege mode the user I was logged in which is part ot the group wheel (I a terminal window I can do aan su -, give the root paswsword and have all root privileges) Addendum 2: I tried with checking the 'remember password' in the dialog window and entered the root paswoord. the window closes as before but at any next try, I get nothing at all any more: Settings / System Administration / LoginManager shows a dancing icon for 20 seconds and then disappears, leaving me in the desktop (probably because of the same non-responsiveness to a correctly. How to remedy all this ??? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 21:06:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id E70AB1065687; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:06:49 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:06:49 +0000 From: Kris Kennaway To: Masoom Shaikh Message-ID: <20081117210649.GE63818@hub.freebsd.org> References: <20081116125622.E24752@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081117172100.GB43367@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Kris Kennaway , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: large binary, why not strip ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:06:50 -0000 On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 06:40:34PM +0000, Masoom Shaikh wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:56:31PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > > > >most of the programs installed from ports have large binary size on disk > > > > > > > >stripping em all reduces their size dramatically > > > > > > > >I cannot see the reason for not stripping them by default ? > > > > > > me too > > > > > > > >do I miss anything ? > > > > > > no. > > > > I am confused why both of you are seeing "most" of the programs > > installed this way. Can you confirm that this is true and not just an > > exaggeration? > > > > As Matthew says, there are some ports that fail to strip their > > binaries because of how they install files (using cp etc). These are > > bugs that should be reported to their maintainers on a case by case > > basis. > > > > Kris > > > > -- > > In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. > > -- Charles Forsythe > > > Before sending mail I manually stripped * in /usr/local/bin > > else I cud send u the o/p of `ls -lhS` > > yes, "most" is bit exaggerated...I perhaps was talking about first five > > binaries listed in increasing order of size... Yeah the largest binaries are likely to be unstripped. You can use pkg_which (part of portupgrade) to work out which ports they came from, then send the mainainer a polite email and/or PR request that they be installed stripped. Bonus points if you come up with a patch to do this: in most cases it will be a simple matter of changing the port's do-install: target to use INSTALL_* macros instead of cp/bsdtar etc. This would be a good project to get some familiarity with the ports tree. Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 21:15:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08F01065686 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:15:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tfcheng@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F6748FC19 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:15:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tfcheng@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1099983yxb.13 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:15:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=3bkKG0F3ELMbPyShwfE6TPYzwvezBZCNkozYmClGzeI=; b=tNTFXa2dV4oHB9pva7qoWSxPBcEGpw2sLkPh/dHAdx/IX8zbm5D7kXBPS4KaPA6jOq dH7pbbHKRqNZLMOaNqZWJMBub31NyHYXvplJBZ7asBVobe+/82p7/AmhWQ0xyLmW1kVf ltZsWngbWh5gFbKn3OJVRqdC3YZA9gCzZfqks= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=bg7EUkR4Qh5BqkVLNJVYe1BOfWmLdrXDbX9mnPzNz0Hp4qXu3U2gveuTDJ1rrnbpEQ WKApjczoJJnQHAhhH9bgA907qthGKnRAjANM7g1/ImKWqMXt5ncuopueQFJa+guiNLkJ X+Nf0op8vY1qMNe7a+RjYhXsVMSkpq65YhOK8= Received: by 10.142.84.3 with SMTP id h3mr2177811wfb.149.1226956533012; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:15:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.143.20 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:15:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:15:32 -0500 From: "Tsu-Fan Cheng" To: Mel In-Reply-To: <200811172036.11401.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200811172036.11401.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pkg_delete core dump X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:15:34 -0000 Hi Mel, thank you for your help, now I recompile pkg_install and run pkg_delete again, under print/acroread8 it still coredump. here is the result: # gdb pkg_delete pkg_delete.core GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "i386-marcel-freebsd"... Core was generated by `pkg_delete'. Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. Reading symbols from /lib/libmd.so.4...done. Loaded symbols for /lib/libmd.so.4 Reading symbols from /lib/libc.so.7...done. Loaded symbols for /lib/libc.so.7 Reading symbols from /libexec/ld-elf.so.1...done. Loaded symbols for /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 #0 0x2815dae6 in strcmp () from /lib/libc.so.7 (gdb) bt #0 0x2815dae6 in strcmp () from /lib/libc.so.7 #1 0x0804b50c in isinstalledpkg (name=0x0) at /usr/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/lib/match.c:374 #2 0x0804adc5 in requiredby (pkgname=0x0, list=0xbfbfe1a8, strict=0, filter=0) at /usr/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/lib/deps.c:202 #3 0x08049c14 in undepend (p=0x0, pkgname=0x810b180 "acroread8-8.1.2_2") at /usr/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/delete/perform.c:385 #4 0x0804a769 in pkg_do (pkg=0x810b180 "acroread8-8.1.2_2") at /usr/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/delete/perform.c:286 #5 0x0804a981 in pkg_perform (pkgs=0x810c060) at /usr/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/delete/perform.c:112 #6 0x08049b2a in real_main (argc=3, argv=0xbfbfeb60) at /usr/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/delete/main.c:163 #7 0x0804ab58 in main (argc=3, argv=0xbfbfeb60) at /usr/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/lib/pkgwrap.c:88 (gdb) bt full #0 0x2815dae6 in strcmp () from /lib/libc.so.7 No symbol table info available. #1 0x0804b50c in isinstalledpkg (name=0x0) at /usr/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/lib/match.c:374 result = Variable "result" is not available. (gdb) up #1 0x0804b50c in isinstalledpkg (name=0x0) at /usr/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/lib/match.c:374 374 if (strcmp(memo->iip_name, name) == 0) (gdb) should I do a full buildworld/installworld? TFC On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Mel wrote: > On Monday 17 November 2008 20:15:46 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote: >> hi, >> during recompiling some ports, I found my pkg_delete core dump on >> some ports (not all of them), when it dumped, it has something like >> this (print/acroread8): >> >> # gdb pkg_delete pkg_delete.core >> GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] >> Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. >> GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you >> are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain >> conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. >> There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. >> This GDB was configured as "i386-marcel-freebsd"...(no debugging >> symbols found)... >> Core was generated by `pkg_delete'. >> Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. >> Reading symbols from /lib/libmd.so.4...(no debugging symbols found)...done. >> Loaded symbols for /lib/libmd.so.4 >> Reading symbols from /lib/libc.so.7...(no debugging symbols found)...done. >> Loaded symbols for /lib/libc.so.7 >> Reading symbols from /libexec/ld-elf.so.1...(no debugging symbols >> found)...done. Loaded symbols for /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 >> #0 0x2815dae6 in strcmp () from /lib/libc.so.7 >> (gdb) bt full >> #0 0x2815dae6 in strcmp () from /lib/libc.so.7 >> No symbol table info available. >> #1 0x0804b50c in ?? () >> No symbol table info available. > > > > You will have to recompile pkg_delete with debug symbols to get any idea. To > do so, do the following (providing you have sources in /usr/src): > cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install > make clean > make obj > make DEBUG_FLAGS='-ggdb' depend > make DEBUG_FLAGS='-ggdb' all install > > If this gives errors, it's best to do a full buildworld/installworld. > -- > Mel > > Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules > and never get to the software part. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 21:18:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4A2A1065672 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:18:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2713E8FC16 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:18:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1L2BTt-0006rz-Mk for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:18:01 +0000 Received: from 93-138-105-237.adsl.net.t-com.hr ([93.138.105.237]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:18:01 +0000 Received: from ivoras by 93-138-105-237.adsl.net.t-com.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:18:01 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:17:47 +0100 Lines: 48 Message-ID: References: <49218347.9070009@esiee.fr> <20081117145945.GA32162@icarus.home.lan> <49218DC2.9000407@freebsd.org> <20081117165344.GA34331@icarus.home.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigFE0BE447860488F9DBFFE52D" X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 93-138-105-237.adsl.net.t-com.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) In-Reply-To: <20081117165344.GA34331@icarus.home.lan> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Sender: news Subject: Re: ZFS over iSCSI anyone ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:18:04 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigFE0BE447860488F9DBFFE52D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 04:29:06PM +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: >> Jeremy Chadwick wrote: >>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 03:44:23PM +0100, Frank Bonnet wrote: >>>> Hello >>>> >>>> Does anyone has tried to use ZFS over iSCSI ? >>> Another FreeBSD user recently brought to my attention problems with >>> iSCSI on FreeBSD. There is a patch available which fixes the issue, = but >>> I felt you might want to know about it beforehand. >>> >>> Issue: >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-scsi/2008-February/003383.= html >>> >>> Patch: >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-scsi/2008-February/003387.= html >> Isn't this committed already? >=20 > The user tells me it is not, and that his replies to the patch author > have gone ignored. It looks like the iSCSI developer disappeared - I got a bounce message (in French) on the last e-mail :( --------------enigFE0BE447860488F9DBFFE52D Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkkh34AACgkQldnAQVacBchiWgCfVOaqOB+MiB/QYdCl6VxMBZcH lLcAoPQXmY5GDCH9UBhMKvhUDddHN4y/ =vLpF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigFE0BE447860488F9DBFFE52D-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 21:30:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C744A10657DE for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:30:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 740F58FC08 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:30:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.185] (unknown [192.168.0.185]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C236407A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:30:52 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081117102107.S31070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <491D59D3.8080809@spansurf.com> <20081114203914.W14337@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <491DDD56.1040001@ccstores.com> <20081114225626.GA56663@icarus.home.lan> <20081115011836.N16077@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116020345.GB15841@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081116125716.E24752@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116142018.GA18047@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081116224509.B26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1226913468.8307.49.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081117102107.S31070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:30:30 +1000 Message-Id: <1226957430.8307.52.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3 (2.12.3-5.fc8) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:30:24 -0000 On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 10:23 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> > > > > Try ReactOS- it's exactly that. > > > > I think its a version of Wine on steroids... > > does it really work - i mean all (or most at least) programs work. > > can user simply put say - M$ Office CD/DVD and click setup? > > if yes - they NEED MORE ADVERTISEMENT. > > i will check it today on second disk. if it's OK i will start recommending > it all people i know that use windoze. > > thanks for info. Its currently a VM image so just use that - saves scratching a hard drive... Go to the vmware site and its located in the appliances section. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 22:19:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE231065670 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:19:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBEE88FC14 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:19:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16271362B9; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:16:38 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:21:25 +0100 From: cpghost To: Brad Davis Message-ID: <20081117222125.GK1811@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:19:52 -0000 On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 09:04:28AM -0700, Brad Davis wrote: > You can register and start using our new service here: > > http://forums.FreeBSD.org How about setting up a bidirectional Forum <-> Mailing List bridge? Perhaps to freebsd-questions@ or (not as good) to a special new list, say, freebsd-forums@? Ideally, freebsd-questions@ could be bidirectionally mirrored to the forums, so we won't lose all those helpful people from freebsd-questions@ to the forums! Another advantage is that each of us subscribers could still automatically get a copy of posts, so we can archive them locally, as we do now with the mailing lists. Please give it a thought. Thanks, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 22:24:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7289F10656E3 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:24:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stupendoussteve@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s8.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s8.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.208]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 514E98FC14 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:24:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stupendoussteve@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.10.139]) by bay0-omc3-s8.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:24:02 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:24:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 68.225.143.90 by BAY122-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:23:59 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [68.225.143.90] X-Originating-Email: [stupendoussteve@hotmail.com] X-Sender: stupendoussteve@hotmail.com Message-ID: <4921EEFB.5090005@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:23:55 -0600 From: Steven Susbauer User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081106) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cpghost References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081117222125.GK1811@phenom.cordula.ws> In-Reply-To: <20081117222125.GK1811@phenom.cordula.ws> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig01AD70F74AEF43DD2C82FD65" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2008 22:24:01.0948 (UTC) FILETIME=[31693DC0:01C94903] Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:24:02 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig01AD70F74AEF43DD2C82FD65 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cpghost wrote: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 09:04:28AM -0700, Brad Davis wrote: >> You can register and start using our new service here: >> >> http://forums.FreeBSD.org >=20 > How about setting up a bidirectional Forum <-> Mailing List bridge? > Perhaps to freebsd-questions@ or (not as good) to a special new list, > say, freebsd-forums@? >=20 > Ideally, freebsd-questions@ could be bidirectionally mirrored > to the forums, so we won't lose all those helpful people from > freebsd-questions@ to the forums! >=20 > Another advantage is that each of us subscribers could still > automatically get a copy of posts, so we can archive them locally, > as we do now with the mailing lists. >=20 > Please give it a thought. >=20 > Thanks, > -cpghost. I think this would likely cause a riot, at least with freebsd-questions. I think it is a better idea to leave them separate. A few things like resolving categories alone could end up being a problem. Do you not allow people to start new threads? If you do, where do they end up on the forum? Steve --------------enig01AD70F74AEF43DD2C82FD65 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkkh7v0ACgkQ2i3YYzbDt0/02gCfc+66IFCTKXU4qcUp76z7+D09 3WQAn0WgBnY+ARRPSjY5MTTq6ltooFP6 =IAAA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig01AD70F74AEF43DD2C82FD65-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 22:37:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B751065670 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:37:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAFBB8FC18 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:37:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F21D236088; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:34:06 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:38:53 +0100 From: cpghost To: Steven Susbauer Message-ID: <20081117223853.GL1811@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081117222125.GK1811@phenom.cordula.ws> <4921EEFB.5090005@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4921EEFB.5090005@hotmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:37:20 -0000 On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 04:23:55PM -0600, Steven Susbauer wrote: > cpghost wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 09:04:28AM -0700, Brad Davis wrote: > >> You can register and start using our new service here: > >> > >> http://forums.FreeBSD.org > > > > How about setting up a bidirectional Forum <-> Mailing List bridge? > > Perhaps to freebsd-questions@ or (not as good) to a special new list, > > say, freebsd-forums@? > > > > Ideally, freebsd-questions@ could be bidirectionally mirrored > > to the forums, so we won't lose all those helpful people from > > freebsd-questions@ to the forums! > > > > Another advantage is that each of us subscribers could still > > automatically get a copy of posts, so we can archive them locally, > > as we do now with the mailing lists. > > > > Please give it a thought. > > > > Thanks, > > -cpghost. > > I think this would likely cause a riot, at least with freebsd-questions. > I think it is a better idea to leave them separate. A few things like > resolving categories alone could end up being a problem. Do you not > allow people to start new threads? If you do, where do they end up on > the forum? > Steve Hmmm... yes, on second thought not such a bright idea. But perhaps a bridge to an archiving-only mailing list (freebsd-forums@) similar to freebsd-cvs@ for forum posts could be set up anyway? IMHO there should be a way to archive forum posts in some way, and make them available in near real-time to users whose workflow is much more geared towards mailing lists. One might miss an interesting forum thread, because not everyone looks regularly there, but missing a catchy subject line in an MUA from the forums may be more difficult. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 23:13:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF47D1065672; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:13:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markus.hoenicka@mhoenicka.de) Received: from smtprelay09.ispgateway.de (smtprelay09.ispgateway.de [80.67.29.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EC318FC1D; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:13:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markus.hoenicka@mhoenicka.de) Received: from [92.229.161.107] (helo=yeti.mininet) by smtprelay09.ispgateway.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1L2DHh-0005HQ-HB; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:13:33 +0100 X-Mailer: emacs 22.1.1 (via feedmail 8 I); VM 7.19 under Emacs 22.1.1 From: "Markus Hoenicka" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18721.64377.656498.977270@yeti.mininet> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:17:13 +0100 To: Jeremy Chadwick , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <18718.4273.817459.356946@yeti.mininet> References: <18715.28127.306511.577084@yeti.mininet> <20081113042912.GA10018@icarus.home.lan> <20081113090021.less3h5iwwsgwsg4@webmail.df.eu> <20081113081456.GA14564@icarus.home.lan> <20081113092059.gjjufgrxss0gwww0@webmail.df.eu> <20081113082402.GA14906@icarus.home.lan> <20081113121822.GA20600@icarus.home.lan> <18718.4273.817459.356946@yeti.mininet> X-Df-Sender: 472582 Cc: Subject: Re: dlsym can't use handle returned by dlopen? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:13:35 -0000 Don't mean to nag, but is there any news on this? regards, Markus Markus Hoenicka writes: > Jeremy Chadwick writes: > > As promised: http://www.malkavian.com/~jdc/myprog.tar.gz > > > > This test program indeed works as expected. However, this doesn't > quite reflect the situation in libdbi. I took your files and modified > them accordingly, see: > > http://libdbi.sourceforge.net/downloads/dlsymtest.tar.gz > > To run the test use: > > LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. ./myprog > > We need to set the environment variable to let the linker pick up a > shared object that gmake builds. > > myprog.c now just calls a function which is provided in libmylib > (built from mylib.c). The latter file does most of what your test case > did in myprog.c. The second major change is that myshared.so is linked > against libmysqlclient (just like a libdbi database driver is linked > against the client library). myfunc now calls a MySQL function to show > that it is accessible (if you don't have libmysqlclient handy, you can > replace it with whatever function from some .so is convenient) > > Finally, libmylib tries to obtain a pointer to that MySQL function by > means of a dlsym call. This new dlsym call, in contrast to the existing > one that acesses myfunc in myshared.so, indeed fails: > > myint = 0xdeadbeef (3735928559) > ==> entered myfunc() > ==> double = 3.141590 > ==>mysql client version is 50051 > ==> exiting myfunc() > dlsym() in shared lib failed: Undefined symbol > "mysql_get_client_version" > > So, to make the problem clear again: while dlsym works when accessing > symbols in dlopen()ed objects, it fails to access symbols which are > linked into such an object if you use the handle returned by > dlopen(). This is different from other OSes. > > regards, > Markus > > > -- > Markus Hoenicka > markus.hoenicka@cats.de > (Spam-protected email: replace the quadrupeds with "mhoenicka") > http://www.mhoenicka.de > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Markus Hoenicka markus.hoenicka@cats.de (Spam-protected email: replace the quadrupeds with "mhoenicka") http://www.mhoenicka.de From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 00:39:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 398611065672 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:39:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from blade2-ext.obspm.fr (blade2-ext.obspm.fr [145.238.186.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACE628FC12 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:39:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from obspm.fr (pcjas.obspm.fr [145.238.184.233]) by blade2-ext.obspm.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/SIO Observatoire de Paris - 15/11/07) with ESMTP id mAI0dmeO005278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:39:49 +0100 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:39:48 +0100 From: Albert Shih To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081118003948.GA62198@obspm.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (blade2-ext.obspm.fr [145.238.186.20]); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:39:49 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.1/8644/Mon Nov 17 22:35:21 2008 on blade2-ext.obspm.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: shrink ntfs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:39:52 -0000 Hi all, Newbie question from a not newbie (well I think ;-) ) I've install many FreeBSD, but I always use the all disk. If I've a laptop come with winxp ? How can I shrink the WinNT partition ? Can the FreeBSD install CD do that ? If he can't what's your advice for some software to do that ? Regards. -- Albert SHIH SIO batiment 15 Observatoire de Paris Meudon 5 Place Jules Janssen 92195 Meudon Cedex Heure local/Local time: Mar 18 nov 2008 01:35:38 CET From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 00:53:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E857E1065675 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:53:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A72D68FC14 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:53:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id mAI0mv0S025849; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:48:57 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id mAI0mvp1025848; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:48:57 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:48:57 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Albert Shih Message-ID: <20081118004857.GA25808@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20081118003948.GA62198@obspm.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081118003948.GA62198@obspm.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: shrink ntfs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:53:07 -0000 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 01:39:48AM +0100, Albert Shih wrote: > Hi all, > > Newbie question from a not newbie (well I think ;-) ) > > I've install many FreeBSD, but I always use the all disk. > > If I've a laptop come with winxp ? How can I shrink the > WinNT partition ? Can the FreeBSD install CD do that ? > > If he can't what's your advice for some software to do that ? No, it cannot. There are a couple of utilities that come with FreeBSD but, at last check, they did not handle NTFS. I have successfully used Partition Magic version 7.0 (8.0 is crap) as long as it is not on a USB drive. It won't handle USB and 8.0 will not either even though it claims it will. I have also successfully used 'gparted' which is downloadable. It worked for NTFS and also worked fine with USB disk. There is yet another one whose name I don't remember now. Download gparted and burn a CD to boot and do the work. Or, buy Partition Magic 7.0 and build the floppies. Don't try using either on a running system.. ////jerry > > Regards. > -- > Albert SHIH > SIO batiment 15 > Observatoire de Paris Meudon > 5 Place Jules Janssen > 92195 Meudon Cedex > Heure local/Local time: > Mar 18 nov 2008 01:35:38 CET > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 01:14:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6ABE106564A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:14:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steinex@nognu.de) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490F18FC13 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:14:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steinex@nognu.de) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so2173630fgb.35 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:14:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.93.17 with SMTP id q17mr570964fgb.8.1226970863862; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:14:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from haydn.nognu.de (haydn.nognu.de [81.169.170.112]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm4448477fgg.4.2008.11.17.17.14.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:14:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:14:20 +0100 From: Frank Steinborn To: cpghost Message-ID: <20081118011420.GA8215@haydn.nognu.de> References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081117222125.GK1811@phenom.cordula.ws> <4921EEFB.5090005@hotmail.com> <20081117223853.GL1811@phenom.cordula.ws> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081117223853.GL1811@phenom.cordula.ws> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Steven Susbauer , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:14:26 -0000 On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 11:38:53PM +0100, cpghost wrote: > IMHO there should be a way to archive forum posts in some way, and > make them available in near real-time to users whose workflow is > much more geared towards mailing lists. One might miss an interesting > forum thread, because not everyone looks regularly there, but missing > a catchy subject line in an MUA from the forums may be more difficult. I second that. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 01:15:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B90F1065674 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:15:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 415898FC1B for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:15:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.185] (unknown [192.168.0.185]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98C1B407A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:37:36 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081117103920.O31219@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081114203914.W14337@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <491DDD56.1040001@ccstores.com> <20081114225626.GA56663@icarus.home.lan> <20081115011836.N16077@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116020345.GB15841@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081116125716.E24752@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116142018.GA18047@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081116224509.B26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1226913468.8307.49.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081117102107.S31070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081117093623.GA25353@icarus.home.lan> <20081117103920.O31219@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:37:19 +1000 Message-Id: <1226957839.8307.58.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3 (2.12.3-5.fc8) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:15:07 -0000 On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 10:40 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > ReactOS is somewhat of a joke at this point. I've personally tried it, > > and I cannot see how it can be taken seriously until its cleaned up and > > made much more user-friendly. There's also been some developer "drama" > > in recent days, which literally halted the project for months on end, > > and I don't know what became of that. > > quite bad, as their "donation" page. if they want to do something real > then more people (but less than 10) are needed and finally implement all > functionality. > > they could sell it, instead of begging for donations > If you start selling software like that, you end up just like another M $. Me personally I don't like the software and system introduced by M$, so thats why I've moved to more secure systems like FOSS. I'd rather spend my time working with a community like this fixing issues than wasting time solving issues with win32 setups which simply don't hold water. > > > > But does it work (e.x. "does it function")? Yes, it does. > > > > -- > > | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | > > | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | > > | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | > > | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 01:23:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D5D81065670 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:23:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 929828FC12 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:23:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAI1MuvB082183; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:22:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAI1Mu4Y082180; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:22:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:22:55 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Da Rock In-Reply-To: <1226957839.8307.58.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Message-ID: <20081118022140.C82179@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081114203914.W14337@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <491DDD56.1040001@ccstores.com> <20081114225626.GA56663@icarus.home.lan> <20081115011836.N16077@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116020345.GB15841@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081116125716.E24752@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116142018.GA18047@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081116224509.B26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1226913468.8307.49.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081117102107.S31070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081117093623.GA25353@icarus.home.lan> <20081117103920.O31219@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1226957839.8307.58.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:23:12 -0000 >> they could sell it, instead of begging for donations >> > > If you start selling software like that, you end up just like another M > $. of course not like that. but with total of ca 2000$ donations over 2 years it doesn't make sense. > > Me personally I don't like the software and system introduced by M$, so > thats why I've moved to more secure systems like FOSS. I'd rather spend > my time working with a community like this fixing issues than wasting > time solving issues with win32 setups which simply don't hold water. me too. i don't use windows and windows-like environments. but again - there is a place for competition on that field. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 01:24:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E674106564A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:24:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FF298FC17 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:24:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAI1OoNX082202; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:24:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAI1On4d082199; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:24:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:24:49 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jerry McAllister In-Reply-To: <20081117161627.GB23945@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Message-ID: <20081118022435.X82179@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207271.7030609@boosten.org> <20081116202542.T26156@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207F81.7090502@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081116225359.G26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116153224.62bf8b5a@tau.draftnet> <4ad871310811161545t547565c1ya9a8e2cda2605b16@mail.gmail.com> <20081117005057.T27258@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4ad871310811161605l3cbb0335y607e7537102188e3@mail.gmail.com> <20081117010609.C27377@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081117161627.GB23945@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Glen Barber , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:24:54 -0000 > Unfortunately, the only one who doesn't understand would not be > any of the other posters. > The community is much more trustworthy than you give it credit. > The community got us a valuable resource and will continue to > do so if people who might take an interest aren't too put off > by perpetual negative spinners. > we'll see within 2 yaers. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 01:25:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 637D91065678 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:25:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ansarm@gmail.com) Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 148828FC20 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:25:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ansarm@gmail.com) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j71so2708070rne.12 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:25:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=ML8Rbg8nazpE6z6GL/xqHVwSR0g1x4tPPaNUxwS3s6E=; b=MuU7GEAGtfvCWmRoXR8I1I4hXUaQJywi0I24ydV+Qv5qdabTlizBQaFNcoPKS20VD9 AQzy19AkM/KiFfofA2VukbgM8C4+AbjxvmyVHC8nZbvsjHChlqqSnrs1+KOGmhlcAb6R QupMvy0ewV3pSc9efikncy2IxY0SkfZADQQmk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; b=cq2zzzFWoCwt5vXL9VopVmAAx2W6MLhXbLYydZS5rI8ppFTAy6zHOureR2hV84koh/ fnH1j82d8dcCjbsYWtw6Msos2LKD6k6q70+K8fomcyPg0vOgYnbt6nUwZO0LD2ny/ksx wLtBY9CziJU5cCckQjhSdpxQ27J48VJvFXskE= Received: by 10.65.204.2 with SMTP id g2mr136381qbq.45.1226971520396; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:25:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ansarmm2 (206-248-190-95.dsl.teksavvy.com [206.248.190.95]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 27sm7796908qbw.0.2008.11.17.17.25.19 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:25:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Ansar Mohammed" To: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:25:18 -0500 Message-ID: <019501c9491c$84ee6e20$8ecb4a60$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclJHIQEmYaz76hnQI2lqX8KDeUGbw== Content-Language: en-ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: realtime network replication X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:25:22 -0000 Hello all, I need to replicate /home between two freebsd servers in real time (no scheduled rsyncs) What are my options? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 01:25:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14AA4106568A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:25:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E3F48FC18 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:25:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAI1PdpO082215; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:25:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAI1Pa4e082212; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:25:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:25:36 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Bruce Cran In-Reply-To: <20081117053502.7cc3827c@tau.draftnet> Message-ID: <20081118022519.J82179@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <491D59D3.8080809@spansurf.com> <20081114203914.W14337@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <491DDD56.1040001@ccstores.com> <20081114225626.GA56663@icarus.home.lan> <20081116193828.GB7878@comcast.net> <20081116222222.J26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081117053502.7cc3827c@tau.draftnet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Charlie Kester , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:25:53 -0000 >> not mentioning linux that got just billion$ total sposoring from IBM. >> > > Could you point out some of those strange-but-trendy features? I tried > Ubuntu for a while on my laptop and it more or less Just Works. It very slow and badly under high load From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 01:28:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB3181065670 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:28:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout019.mac.com (asmtpout019.mac.com [17.148.16.94]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B66FE8FC12 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:28:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.227.140.124]) by asmtp019.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.03 (built Aug 7 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KAI00HGV9F0JM20@asmtp019.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:28:12 -0800 (PST) Message-id: From: Chuck Swiger To: Ansar Mohammed In-reply-to: <019501c9491c$84ee6e20$8ecb4a60$@com> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:28:11 -0800 References: <019501c9491c$84ee6e20$8ecb4a60$@com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: realtime network replication X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:28:12 -0000 On Nov 17, 2008, at 5:25 PM, Ansar Mohammed wrote: > I need to replicate /home between two freebsd servers in real time (no > scheduled rsyncs) What are my options? Most people use a network file system (ie, NFS, Samba/CIFS, etc) for this sort of thing.... -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 01:31:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E041065670 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:31:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED5BE8FC16 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:31:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so2796038wfg.7 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:31:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Me2kusPTkW3zNiatqSVo6KysoHzQZX73kvGiR3vU9MM=; b=lRHjEAcVOnZGdVW6oHGjWPVriMfhs6KtCM/PKx5V27vZ1CDg/Gv/RJtKeU8P9gnupL dwCqzkF67lYm3oEbiStManv+JateTSDkg4BNQ8dqwM/jsXXIYGfGlWelmfU3qU+J3F9D qEvGBIoeF79mfmfsNrsHr0Bdq6yslW8QLuXxU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=d84iCeeu+HjYd59yd7oo4tBbxhQrccKrgHhFoaBPHxdJ5X1wtiwGK+5GAvl82lL9VO Ajbo0/mH4O3i6cs28OWgNU8XtS2dE2mv7OWxR8pnF9AgZxciW8BKtqENHJpcZl5boJAu bOexPX0V8V+y7YJroyLVvgAJQBgsrCT4I4P40= Received: by 10.142.231.7 with SMTP id d7mr2267126wfh.245.1226970237395; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:03:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.76.21 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:03:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:03:57 -0800 From: "Kurt Buff" To: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr In-Reply-To: <20081118003948.GA62198@obspm.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081118003948.GA62198@obspm.fr> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: shrink ntfs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:31:04 -0000 I doubt the FreeBSD install CD will do that. However, I'd get a copy gparted on a live CD. That'll do what you want. On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Albert Shih wrote: > Hi all, > > Newbie question from a not newbie (well I think ;-) ) > > I've install many FreeBSD, but I always use the all disk. > > If I've a laptop come with winxp ? How can I shrink the > WinNT partition ? Can the FreeBSD install CD do that ? > > If he can't what's your advice for some software to do that ? > > Regards. > -- > Albert SHIH > SIO batiment 15 > Observatoire de Paris Meudon > 5 Place Jules Janssen > 92195 Meudon Cedex > Heure local/Local time: > Mar 18 nov 2008 01:35:38 CET > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 01:32:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09941106564A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:32:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ansarm@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1C498FC16 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:32:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ansarm@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1140689yxb.13 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:32:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:cc:references :in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=J0pdlKGi7+6YMCAiwhKaV70xQkqbgblZq6suVR+0zdo=; b=TpGJGfWPvDrxYXJ+g/uxd1hCBRNSfycT4GCY67xPJk9Ip6yvxZ4BzOpk+7EI/OrihT bnIVOcjJW8ZMd+ceiP8CFx8oBfLraMJgq1Kn/HDz4Z2sO/p2xdt67t/AkGpbXLh2aqDv +5HB3y7T0YZ+y5t+a7vIkCAR8AlREsGpu4Zww= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; b=CEOz6ZmXAmeCzwY4lZLgozxPRa+/KasxDXq70jqR/Hq1Weoq9CZxlZkeojW0nvXz0B v06DZkC29DESNJcMgvHiG2IkZeee0mNUq/OJ5LxRF80C6Z1LV5BVRWe2MWNkW/pbg9rk tQUCKRoN9KGciLvlGiLuzW118BVrM4gLvK5UY= Received: by 10.65.214.19 with SMTP id r19mr4425564qbq.20.1226971927456; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:32:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from ansarmm2 (206-248-190-95.dsl.teksavvy.com [206.248.190.95]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p27sm7821122qbp.16.2008.11.17.17.32.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:32:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Ansar Mohammed" To: "'Chuck Swiger'" References: <019501c9491c$84ee6e20$8ecb4a60$@com> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:32:05 -0500 Message-ID: <019d01c9491d$778b0ad0$66a12070$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclJHO2Lo4/QIOkZRyaEgSIP3hvTiAAAFqAg Content-Language: en-ca Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: realtime network replication X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:32:09 -0000 Ok, I have /home on one server, I need to REPLICATE /home to another server in realtime. Kinda like a mirror, but over a network. I don't want to use rsync because its not realtime. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Swiger [mailto:cswiger@mac.com] > Sent: November 17, 2008 8:28 PM > To: Ansar Mohammed > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: realtime network replication > > On Nov 17, 2008, at 5:25 PM, Ansar Mohammed wrote: > > I need to replicate /home between two freebsd servers in real time > (no > > scheduled rsyncs) What are my options? > > Most people use a network file system (ie, NFS, Samba/CIFS, etc) for > this sort of thing.... > > -- > -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 01:37:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8160C1065674 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:37:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from betty.computinginnovations.com (mail.computinginnovations.com [64.81.227.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 365968FC17 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:37:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from p28.computinginnovations.com (dhcp-10-20-30-100.computinginnovations.com [10.20.30.100]) (authenticated bits=0) by betty.computinginnovations.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAI1axVh077195 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:37:00 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20081117193403.025dfa50@mail.computinginnovations.com> X-Sender: derek@mail.computinginnovations.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:36:48 -0600 To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org From: Derek Ragona Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081117-0, 11/17/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94-exp/8644/Mon Nov 17 15:35:21 2008 on betty.computinginnovations.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner-ID: mAI1axVh077195 X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-From: derek@computinginnovations.com X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Subject: smbfs 2 GB file size limit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:37:02 -0000 I have FreeBSD 7.0 Release and if I mount_smbfs a network NTFS share I have a 2 GB size limit on files. I checked the handbook and list archives but have not found a solution. Supposedly there is an smbmount as part of the standard samba, but that doesn't seem to install from any of the samba ports. Any help would be appreciated. -Derek derek at computinginnovations.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 01:39:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E6C2106564A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:39:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sfourman@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.248]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C95578FC12 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:39:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sfourman@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b6so1157305ana.13 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:39:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=CFDkRRpA0bbT5DTKSRRnOcl6O3Or8M6eONOCUFXgBoo=; b=Dkdhoz0ma2nhfrpgAL34bWd5lt7z5Ef70X5oHih2Ldm/D7sOfW7LwLJYp/HzZB93b0 kvZESJyRc++mA3zbImdZkJPCDEC3QSFfRFr14+909kVRHlD2GyaZKL2Wy6HsuSTbNUIx HH8Cauoh6sl2fAybOzNddfpY6t+S0Agq67MQE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=XeBdsvpAz7sl7VYA/KnvmX0CGoMAlRlBr4H+8tEvytinoI5rV7GXVBBbvoYfllBA6F rlHh2CjxkUHLYfpnozEPxc6e0po+HRBY209fNFq9vStB3C3a75v7eRyb8PySiz91szRB N9H0oBr9zxqhE1zetiGGQrHwndI+mpLEA+4ZU= Received: by 10.64.96.3 with SMTP id t3mr148459qbb.96.1226972392733; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:39:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.51.19 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:39:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <11167f520811171739x1c039eaepb63304afb9f837e1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:39:52 -0600 From: "Sam Fourman Jr." To: "Kurt Buff" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081118003948.GA62198@obspm.fr> Cc: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: shrink ntfs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:39:54 -0000 On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Buff wrote: > I doubt the FreeBSD install CD will do that. > > However, I'd get a copy gparted on a live CD. That'll do what you want. > > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Albert Shih wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Newbie question from a not newbie (well I think ;-) ) >> >> I've install many FreeBSD, but I always use the all disk. >> >> If I've a laptop come with winxp ? How can I shrink the >> WinNT partition ? Can the FreeBSD install CD do that ? >> >> If he can't what's your advice for some software to do that ? >> I have used gparted with a windows xp tablet and it worked. Sam Fourman Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 01:40:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07FF71065670 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:40:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from e.schuele@computer.org) Received: from smtpauth22.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpauth22.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D310B8FC14 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:40:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from e.schuele@computer.org) Received: (qmail 32352 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2008 01:40:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (96.226.72.228) by smtpauth22.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.44) with ESMTP; 18 Nov 2008 01:40:20 -0000 Message-ID: <49221D03.6010401@computer.org> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:40:19 -0600 From: Eric Schuele User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080927) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ansar Mohammed References: <019501c9491c$84ee6e20$8ecb4a60$@com> <019d01c9491d$778b0ad0$66a12070$@com> In-Reply-To: <019d01c9491d$778b0ad0$66a12070$@com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.2 OpenPGP: url=http://www.ravenlock.us/keys/pub_schuele.pgp Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig45BA81643EFC3F908E5D191F" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: realtime network replication X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:40:22 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig45BA81643EFC3F908E5D191F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/17/2008 19:32, Ansar Mohammed wrote: > Ok, I have /home on one server, I need to REPLICATE /home to another se= rver > in realtime. Kinda like a mirror, but over a network. I don't want to u= se > rsync because its not realtime. Something along the lines of this maybe: http://phaq.phunsites.net/2006/08/11/realtime-file-system-replication-on-= freebsd/ (Disclaimer> I've not used the procedure above.) >=20 >=20 >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chuck Swiger [mailto:cswiger@mac.com] >> Sent: November 17, 2008 8:28 PM >> To: Ansar Mohammed >> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> Subject: Re: realtime network replication >> >> On Nov 17, 2008, at 5:25 PM, Ansar Mohammed wrote: >>> I need to replicate /home between two freebsd servers in real time >> (no >>> scheduled rsyncs) What are my options? >> Most people use a network file system (ie, NFS, Samba/CIFS, etc) for >> this sort of thing.... >> >> -- >> -Chuck >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd= =2Eorg" >=20 >=20 --=20 Regards, Eric --------------enig45BA81643EFC3F908E5D191F Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkiHQMACgkQngSDRM3IXUpDPACgtniLSnNHe6QNg4lO4SBADq19 +WQAniRuUvMzZaFGFgAR6kDw5cMWmc0o =5fUT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig45BA81643EFC3F908E5D191F-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 01:40:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CC1D106567E for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:40:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ansarm@gmail.com) Received: from hs-out-0708.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F11058FC1C for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:40:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ansarm@gmail.com) Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 54so1203709hsz.11 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:40:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:cc:references :in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=KyhCLt3/XTi4H7JttyhYXwz0eGhKNXTFI6c5Xmjm6co=; b=WCY2ODPCVK6ndurGbEHB8ziJt60cEk+hdZohiQGIRy7PjMwiYnyjZP3lgG2GQ4dWHf rWXKdxdDeLZBMjbK6UNun+cRZ1KDOJZSewfLQFATOd72BUPBv6dZgj2AmTZyIweSlNyL hVmkWRNc87ZF0hXgYy3g6Z3ofvx+eawgHPyCw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; b=rPYm6vIhM8cQOxzjI3TzM7WSoBZfD7fEic9Qyxnrr7A0JHOoLi5xdgsio6aAKcoJEF pysBcZVNPK+fk7/2/WeSDFGLAwuiFOW7YyQjhcSHBvpXQXQ1x4bGpvkjWYFu31vWQQ4f 77J66F9/RrGI2pUraYr/iJvMq3b7YDoa4cRSs= Received: by 10.65.241.15 with SMTP id t15mr4441183qbr.8.1226972433123; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:40:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ansarmm2 (206-248-190-95.dsl.teksavvy.com [206.248.190.95]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p9sm7816176qbp.15.2008.11.17.17.40.31 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:40:32 -0800 (PST) From: "Ansar Mohammed" To: "'Chuck Swiger'" References: <019501c9491c$84ee6e20$8ecb4a60$@com> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:40:31 -0500 Message-ID: <019e01c9491e$a4f1b400$eed51c00$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclJHO2Lo4/QIOkZRyaEgSIP3hvTiAAAZ2Hw Content-Language: en-ca Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: realtime network replication X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:40:35 -0000 Ideally geom would have been perfect, except we cant have more than one host writing to the mirror. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Swiger [mailto:cswiger@mac.com] > Sent: November 17, 2008 8:28 PM > To: Ansar Mohammed > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: realtime network replication > > On Nov 17, 2008, at 5:25 PM, Ansar Mohammed wrote: > > I need to replicate /home between two freebsd servers in real time > (no > > scheduled rsyncs) What are my options? > > Most people use a network file system (ie, NFS, Samba/CIFS, etc) for > this sort of thing.... > > -- > -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 01:48:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A1C1065672 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:48:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from e.schuele@computer.org) Received: from smtpauth18.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpauth18.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2E74A8FC14 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:48:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from e.schuele@computer.org) Received: (qmail 2849 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2008 01:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (96.226.72.228) by smtpauth18.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.31) with ESMTP; 18 Nov 2008 01:21:25 -0000 Message-ID: <49221893.10604@computer.org> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:21:23 -0600 From: Eric Schuele User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080927) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Albert Shih References: <20081118003948.GA62198@obspm.fr> <20081118004857.GA25808@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> In-Reply-To: <20081118004857.GA25808@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.2 OpenPGP: url=http://www.ravenlock.us/keys/pub_schuele.pgp Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig62822BBB635434E29B1CF52D" Cc: Jerry McAllister , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: shrink ntfs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:48:06 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig62822BBB635434E29B1CF52D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/17/2008 18:48, Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 01:39:48AM +0100, Albert Shih wrote: >=20 >> Hi all, >> >> Newbie question from a not newbie (well I think ;-) ) >> >> I've install many FreeBSD, but I always use the all disk. >> >> If I've a laptop come with winxp ? How can I shrink the >> WinNT partition ? Can the FreeBSD install CD do that ?=20 >> >> If he can't what's your advice for some software to do that ?=20 >=20 > No, it cannot. There are a couple of utilities that come with FreeBSD > but, at last check, they did not handle NTFS. >=20 > I have successfully used Partition Magic version 7.0 (8.0 is crap)=20 > as long as it is not on a USB drive. It won't handle USB and 8.0 > will not either even though it claims it will. >=20 > I have also successfully used 'gparted' which is downloadable. I can "second" the gparted. I've used it from time to time, and it has worked well. It comes on a downloadable live cd which is handy. > It worked for NTFS and also worked fine with USB disk. There is > yet another one whose name I don't remember now. >=20 > Download gparted and burn a CD to boot and do the work. Or, buy Partiti= on > Magic 7.0 and build the floppies. Don't try using either on a running = > system.. >=20 > ////jerry >=20 >> Regards. >> --=20 >> Albert SHIH >> SIO batiment 15 >> Observatoire de Paris Meudon >> 5 Place Jules Janssen >> 92195 Meudon Cedex >> Heure local/Local time: >> Mar 18 nov 2008 01:35:38 CET >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebs= d.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd= =2Eorg" >=20 >=20 --=20 Regards, Eric --------------enig62822BBB635434E29B1CF52D Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkiGJQACgkQngSDRM3IXUrvgQCeN9hv2s9q6NRkseGb06Z9vt1i 2tMAoIaWIfrxsymDE4TTgar7XgUM8vvf =IuVZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig62822BBB635434E29B1CF52D-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 02:10:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9CA7106564A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:10:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@ourbrains.org) Received: from ourbrains.org (li48-221.members.linode.com [66.246.76.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 73CCC8FC0C for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:10:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@ourbrains.org) Received: (qmail 19336 invoked by uid 1000); 18 Nov 2008 02:10:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:10:21 -0500 From: Dan To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081118021021.GA19320@ourbrains.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <019501c9491c$84ee6e20$8ecb4a60$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <019501c9491c$84ee6e20$8ecb4a60$@com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: realtime network replication X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:10:00 -0000 Ansar Mohammed(ansarm@gmail.com)@2008.11.17 20:25:18 -0500: > Hello all, > > I need to replicate /home between two freebsd servers in real time (no > scheduled rsyncs) > > > > What are my options? You might have to wait until DragonflyBSD has clustering capabilities. It is quickly moving towards that goal. HAMMER.... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 00:23:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D3141065673 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:23:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sjxx123@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f22.google.com (mail-gx0-f22.google.com [209.85.217.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDFA78FC12 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:23:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sjxx123@googlemail.com) Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3so759105gxk.19 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:23:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=i7GhfkT/NFmTHIRSnIXFKekPFrwx1733XNOZXdQUQPE=; b=VBf+hBhPw1hzvd2mJDFsyMxjTxpPHOnbs/ul0MyBImjpcDsFksKe2CS5SCHA0Wc8vA rLewFf67HZJYGOki4vOhal3mLSnsA7Cs4+JBHQdKnz75jBc3/Xrag8hLAIJFtpixLE1O Mdca4nH4JAjhaWFkUNc8WPYK3/d0u0i2fs8x8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=IHoPNjd3CS4Xl0BhJqtzEz4SyBK9vs77exKKKH0PRNTeAiU1zsaDa28Ts/DB/RbtGa 5rnp/VOCzQjTtPM4H9QvBEHPe/p+4saQNJG7WUsb1oBaideWwkWJJ3liPb4/tTPxWOZX uby0I1UnuQNPRQiLV1bxXKcdRelz1AKSXHj08= Received: by 10.151.13.7 with SMTP id q7mr8909651ybi.61.1226966999062; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:09:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.118.7 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:09:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:09:58 +0000 From: "stephen jackson" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:51:34 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:23:48 -0000 I have read briefly on FreeBSD and it seems to be the winner on speed and stability versus Linux and of course MS Windows. I have just experienced 2 days of never ending problems with a Sony laptop and Windows XP, which cannot run Norton 360 virus nor AVG. They need an XP 2.0 update which I downloaded, but it then refused to install. Even the Symantec CHAT and remote control of my PC couldn't get it working. I am about ready to wish unimaginable woe upon Microsoft... Anyway, how about you plus Google cash, and others (?), putting a simple easy partition of MS hard disks and FreeBSD install with a nice GUI. And getting Google to distribute it to the World. My question is, how much hardware can you produce drivers for. Presumbably Apple Mac OSX have most of the hardware drivers, so can you?? I hope to hear from you. Stephen Jackson BuySellFree Ltd Metrixos.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 04:19:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83681065672 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:19:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 782EC8FC0A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:19:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 359C6AFC1C6; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:19:01 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:18:37 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <200811172036.11401.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811180518.38658.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: Tsu-Fan Cheng Subject: Re: pkg_delete core dump X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:19:02 -0000 On Monday 17 November 2008 22:15:32 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote: > Hi Mel, > thank you for your help, now I recompile pkg_install and run > pkg_delete again, under print/acroread8 it still coredump. here is the > result: > > # gdb pkg_delete pkg_delete.core > GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] > Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. > GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you > are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain > conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. > There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. > This GDB was configured as "i386-marcel-freebsd"... > Core was generated by `pkg_delete'. > Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. > Reading symbols from /lib/libmd.so.4...done. > Loaded symbols for /lib/libmd.so.4 > Reading symbols from /lib/libc.so.7...done. > Loaded symbols for /lib/libc.so.7 > Reading symbols from /libexec/ld-elf.so.1...done. > Loaded symbols for /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 > #0 0x2815dae6 in strcmp () from /lib/libc.so.7 > (gdb) bt > #0 0x2815dae6 in strcmp () from /lib/libc.so.7 > #1 0x0804b50c in isinstalledpkg (name=0x0) > at /usr/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/lib/match.c:374 There's the culprit. strcmp called on a null pointer. The reason is that the +CONTENTS file contains corrupted data. Most likely a @pkgdep line without a package name. Could you show the output of: grep @pkgdep /var/db/pkg/acroread8-8.1.2_2/+CONTENTS -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 05:51:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 556A31065670 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:51:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20FA98FC17 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:51:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06438AFC1C6; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:51:35 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:51:32 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <200811180518.38658.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> In-Reply-To: <200811180518.38658.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811180651.33337.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: Tsu-Fan Cheng Subject: Re: pkg_delete core dump X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:51:36 -0000 On Tuesday 18 November 2008 05:18:37 Mel wrote: > On Monday 17 November 2008 22:15:32 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote: > > Hi Mel, > > thank you for your help, now I recompile pkg_install and run > > pkg_delete again, under print/acroread8 it still coredump. here is the > > result: > > > > # gdb pkg_delete pkg_delete.core > > GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] > > Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. > > GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you > > are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain > > conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. > > There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for > > details. This GDB was configured as "i386-marcel-freebsd"... > > Core was generated by `pkg_delete'. > > Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. > > Reading symbols from /lib/libmd.so.4...done. > > Loaded symbols for /lib/libmd.so.4 > > Reading symbols from /lib/libc.so.7...done. > > Loaded symbols for /lib/libc.so.7 > > Reading symbols from /libexec/ld-elf.so.1...done. > > Loaded symbols for /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 > > #0 0x2815dae6 in strcmp () from /lib/libc.so.7 > > (gdb) bt > > #0 0x2815dae6 in strcmp () from /lib/libc.so.7 > > #1 0x0804b50c in isinstalledpkg (name=0x0) > > at /usr/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/lib/match.c:374 > > There's the culprit. strcmp called on a null pointer. The reason is that > the +CONTENTS file contains corrupted data. Most likely a @pkgdep line > without a package name. Could you show the output of: > grep @pkgdep /var/db/pkg/acroread8-8.1.2_2/+CONTENTS Actually, considering it comes from undepend, could you also include: cat /var/db/pkg/acroread8-8.1.2_2/+REQUIRED_BY -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 06:23:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65C541065674 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:23:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dhorn2000@gmail.com) Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CA478FC0C for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:23:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dhorn2000@gmail.com) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j71so2756974rne.12 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:23:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=wd0Ub+b4j3l7cXQx2BvYrBk6lQUyas744PxldRlb5M0=; b=VXePWbWTIvfPJ5Hu7x3CxW5SwLzWVee+AR13ogqi5Zfiht8aCob9/AVrIL9i25gHVa 5t1jq+c/GvP92zgZ8rlgvAmwcioe0plFXYmqYvawqQFsU/lKUmm92wiaE40GF0MdWiBu rY/2D86NUaVmnccjjrVnipoRR7BU0uXZGz4X4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=k4t51fATrBRVLxKfs1DwYHmIiBFn51tgRgFeaETazh972WP8n13aw61XbWS+9RqGa1 XilBaeNFza4N7tLnB0buGA8s3Mp4z/j98YFM7Y/CAWNDQRZxJBDnpH22skMIs8lSf8kG 4LcmWSrI9aCaaM+CgEDbMkjEOsRFx92/ppQbs= Received: by 10.151.40.3 with SMTP id s3mr9433134ybj.118.1226989390776; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:23:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.144.19 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:23:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <25ff90d60811172223t226714aq6e8202b19a2c8bfb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:23:10 -0500 From: "David Horn" To: "Derek Ragona" In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20081117193403.025dfa50@mail.computinginnovations.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6.0.0.22.2.20081117193403.025dfa50@mail.computinginnovations.com> Cc: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: smbfs 2 GB file size limit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:23:12 -0000 On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Derek Ragona wrote: > I have FreeBSD 7.0 Release and if I mount_smbfs a network NTFS share I have > a 2 GB size limit on files. I checked the handbook and list archives but > have not found a solution. I just ran a quick test, and was not able to reproduce this issue with the mount_smbfs from FreeBSD 7.0. I tried against a Windows 2003 Server SP2, Windows XP SP3, and Samba 3.0 {on FreeBSD 7} with a 3.5GB file. Was your issue with reading from or writing to a SMB share ? What is the server software and OS version ? (if Microsoft Windows, please include Service Pack number as well, as it might make a difference) How much disk space is left on your server volume ? Are there disk quotas enabled on the server ? What error message are you getting from your FreeBSD client (if any) ? Can you check the smb server logs and see if you are getting any error messages there ? You may want to get a Wireshark trace and see if you can capture the SMB error message/error code. I have heard of people running into similar problems when running against older server software (NT 4.0/old samba) when the SMB session did not negotiate large file/large write support (a function of the SMB server capabilities session negotiation) > Supposedly there is an smbmount as part of the > standard samba, but that doesn't seem to install from any of the samba > ports. smbmount is not included in the FreeBSD port of samba, as it is Linux kernel specific. mount_smbfs(8) is the correct userland app. You could always try the samba smbclient(1) to access SMB shares using an FTP-like environment. > > Any help would be appreciated. Sorry I do not have a good solution for you. Perhaps someone else will give you better advice. Good Luck! -_Dave Horn > > > -Derek > derek at computinginnovations.com > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 07:13:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600871065675; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:13:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEDFC8FC14; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:13:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mAI7D8Q1053716; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:13:09 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.7.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk mAI7D8Q1053716 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1226992390; bh=nZcA6XG7iHvULm kTWh1KJoJZvG8QTX1xOVmnz6DX8lY=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version: To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type: Date:From:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Mes sage-ID:=20<49226AFD.6060505@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20Tue,=2 018=20Nov=202008=2007:13:01=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman=20|Organization:=20Infracaninophile|User -Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.17=20(X11/20080929)|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20Kris=20Kennaway=20|CC:=20Masoom=20Shaikh =20,=20=0D=0A=20Wojciech=20Puchar=20,=0D=0A=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|S ubject:=20Re:=20large=20binary,=20why=20not=20strip=20?|References: =20=09< 20081116125622.E24752@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>=09<20081117172100.GB 43367@hub.freebsd.org>=09=20<20081117210649.GE63818@hub.freebsd.org>|In-R eply-To:=20<20081117210649.GE63818@hub.freebsd.org>|X-Enigmail-Vers ion:=200.95.6|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sh a256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20b oundary=3D"------------enig0845850B248FE9A5F0662651"; b=jE3OA/PqgLP /5uafPa28XH1dTozDHAO1hYh4dkv0uwKLK0B3C+rVsi9TEWws+X0UdJS4UyAU1KV7Dg 04zz9euNT2Y2E6BB1d/q0B/1ZTLAyVkI7ab8OYJpB/En5qtdQfODerayo83huu7U6Hh H9UhMppIva6nG5vCjZI359jUdY= Message-ID: <49226AFD.6060505@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:13:01 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080929) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway References: <20081116125622.E24752@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081117172100.GB43367@hub.freebsd.org> <20081117210649.GE63818@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20081117210649.GE63818@hub.freebsd.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig0845850B248FE9A5F0662651" X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:13:10 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.1/8645/Tue Nov 18 04:30:32 2008 on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Masoom Shaikh , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: large binary, why not strip ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:13:16 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig0845850B248FE9A5F0662651 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris Kennaway wrote: =20 > Bonus points if you come up with a patch to do this: in most cases it > will be a simple matter of changing the port's do-install: target to > use INSTALL_* macros instead of cp/bsdtar etc. This would be a good > project to get some familiarity with the ports tree. Would it be worthwhile to add a test and warning that all installed binar= ies have not been stripped to the 'security-check' target in bsd.port.mk? Th= at's not really what that target was intended for (feeping creaturism alert!) = but it's the obvious place to put such a test. Probably cleaner to create a whole new target, but that's going to duplic= ate some code. Hmmmm... I shall work up some patches, probably over the weekend, so ther= e's something substantive to talk about. 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> > > > What are my options? > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 07:45:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3AD5106564A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:45:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC3A68FC08 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:45:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mAI7j5QW055012; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:45:06 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.7.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk mAI7j5QW055012 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1226994306; bh=QNiVTP3go9dcgV p4WgVtPlkFUtmUx0e7yy0i/ZOdJqQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version: To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type: Date:From:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Mes sage-ID:=20<49227279.8040607@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20Tue,=2 018=20Nov=202008=2007:44:57=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman=20|Organization:=20Infracaninophile|User -Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.17=20(X11/20080929)|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20stephen=20jackson=20|CC:=20freebsd -questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20FreeBSD=20and=20hardware??| References:=20<7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gm ail.com>|In-Reply-To:=20<7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e4 5f@mail.gmail.com>|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content-Type:=20mul tipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"appli cation/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig56C478 AC16CF0AD238CD7138"; b=JtIf+ywycLX4j/GcBkg6T7cJl657LzlkYL8/4IotZkJl KTp01FUtfDVL33N/7OZCspZ3nrqTFCwguJswDKvML0XrOtgngUwQ2oMpi4RmyOdLOEX kD12wPuocpj8rIoXz+7nYLyEKMwoelJsoGAGVYqze4RDS64ktyjAkCh3PDA0= Message-ID: <49227279.8040607@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:44:57 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080929) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stephen jackson References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig56C478AC16CF0AD238CD7138" X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:45:06 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.1/8645/Tue Nov 18 04:30:32 2008 on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:45:13 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig56C478AC16CF0AD238CD7138 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable stephen jackson wrote: > I have read briefly on FreeBSD and it seems to be the winner on speed a= nd > stability versus Linux and of course MS Windows. > I have just experienced 2 days of never ending problems with a Sony lap= top > and Windows XP, which cannot run Norton 360 virus nor AVG. > They need an XP 2.0 update which I downloaded, but it then refused to > install. Even the Symantec CHAT and remote control of my PC couldn't ge= t it > working. I am about ready to wish unimaginable woe upon Microsoft... If you're thinking of trying out FreeBSD, then this is the right place to= come. A word of warning though: it's not at all like Windows, or even MacOSX. You will be expected to learn quite a bit about the low level nitty-gritty of the OS in order to achieve the best results. Of course, the "best results" are very good indeed, and in my humble opinion, well worth the effort required. Installing on laptop type hardware is a tricky proposition: it's very muc= h luck of the draw whether your particular model has sufficient driver supp= ort to satisfy your requirements. You should check out this site to see what= other people's experiences are with your laptop or similar models: http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ > Anyway, how about you plus Google cash, and others (?), putting a simpl= e > easy partition of MS hard disks and FreeBSD install with a nice GUI. A= nd > getting Google to distribute it to the World. My question is, how much > hardware can you produce drivers for. Presumbably Apple Mac OSX have mo= st of > the hardware drivers, so can you?? Distribution is not the difficult part. No need to involve Google -- the= FreeBSD project already has a very good world-wide on-line distribution system. If you want a pre-packaged desktop oriented version of FreeBSD, then chec= k out the PC-BSD project: http://www.pcbsd.org/ Driver support really is the kicker in all of this. Apple MacOSX doesn't= have this problem, since it only runs on Apple proprietary hardware. If = the hardware side of Apple wants to, say, change to a new graphics card, then the OS development team will be involved at an early stage and there= will be a simultaneous release of the new hardware and of system updates so that hardware is supported. That's a very different problem than tryi= ng to provide support for all (or even a large fraction) of the readily avai= lable devices on the market at the moment, which is what FreeBSD faces. Even if Apple does have a driver for a piece of kit not already supported= in FreeBSD, it cannot be assumed that Apple will automatically donate the co= de to the FreeBSD project. Apple is frequently constrained by proprietary agreements with equipment manufacturers. They simply can't reveal the low= level information necessary to be able to write an effective driver. The= Mach kernel and driver architecture in MacOSX are also significantly different= to the FreeBSD equivalents, and it's not possible to just lift code from one= and drop it into the other with minimal effort. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig56C478AC16CF0AD238CD7138 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkkicoEACgkQ8Mjk52CukIyQ3QCfa1od4u3fR8jU/RtCkCMpjBbH wRYAniZvn+oNOMX3wnlDvNjKaVVOZTcm =KOkb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig56C478AC16CF0AD238CD7138-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 09:56:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF7631065674 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:56:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@cs.niu.edu) Received: from mp.cs.niu.edu (mp.cs.niu.edu [131.156.145.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6ED38FC1A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:56:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@cs.niu.edu) Received: from mp.cs.niu.edu (bennett@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mp.cs.niu.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mAI8vF70025005 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:57:15 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:57:15 -0600 (CST) From: Scott Bennett Message-Id: <200811180857.mAI8vFnE025004@mp.cs.niu.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: ACPI suspend/resume on RELENG_7 vs. Dell Inspiron XPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:56:23 -0000 I have a Dell Inspiron XPS (3.4 GHz P4 Prescott) that will be four years old in a few more days. Currently, I'm running 6.3 (mostly), but I intend to install 7.1 once it has been released. One thing that has never worked for me under FreeBSD on this machine is the standby stuff (suspend/resume, etc.). Does anyone know whether this will finally work right under RELENG_7 (especially 7.1-RELEASE)? Thanks in advance for any information on this matter. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ********************************************************************** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * *--------------------------------------------------------------------* * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * * -- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ********************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 10:06:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4552106564A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:06:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70DBE8FC17 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:06:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.44]) by QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ga3t1a0010xGWP855a6uPr; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:06:54 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ga6t1a0042P6wsM3Ya6tU9; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:06:54 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=OujrFBujb8QA:10 a=ETWiaM-PGCsA:10 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=3eJpB8-B_4eVDlB_4fAA:9 a=c3uOM53cxwrnI2es5-k4gZkVbUYA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DEFD633C36; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:06:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:06:52 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Scott Bennett Message-ID: <20081118100652.GA54480@icarus.home.lan> References: <200811180857.mAI8vFnE025004@mp.cs.niu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200811180857.mAI8vFnE025004@mp.cs.niu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ACPI suspend/resume on RELENG_7 vs. Dell Inspiron XPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:06:55 -0000 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 02:57:15AM -0600, Scott Bennett wrote: > I have a Dell Inspiron XPS (3.4 GHz P4 Prescott) that will be four years > old in a few more days. Currently, I'm running 6.3 (mostly), but I intend to > install 7.1 once it has been released. One thing that has never worked for me > under FreeBSD on this machine is the standby stuff (suspend/resume, etc.). > Does anyone know whether this will finally work right under RELENG_7 > (especially 7.1-RELEASE)? I'd recommend posting the issue you have to freebsd-acpi. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. 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(Re: 7.1) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:35:55 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030501000901040107030600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ott Köstner wrote: > I had my workstation running 7.0-STABLE. Perfectly well till today. > Now I compiled and installed the latest 7.1-PRERELEASE > and now Thunderbird and Firefox got really SLOW. Everything works, but > Xorg is consuming time constatnly. Scrolling inbox is especially slow. > Asked the question and... answering it by my self... ;) Seems that rebuiding Nvidia 'Quadro4 380 XGL' driver solved the problem. Could it be? Anyway, it's OK now. I also rebuilt the Thunderbird. Greetings, O.K. -- Testi oma Interneti kiirust / Test Your Internet speed: http://speedtest.zzz.ee/ --------------030501000901040107030600-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 11:05:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 202B91065670 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:05:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd@todoo.biz) Received: from newmail.rmm.fr (newmail.rmm.fr [87.98.206.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D73618FC0A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:05:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd@todoo.biz) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by newmail.rmm.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DF9429330 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:05:37 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new 2.6.1 (20080629) at rmm.fr Received: from newmail.rmm.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (newmail.rmm.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id i4CFtXb3HXgK for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:05:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.201] (me.todoo.biz [82.66.93.242]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: grego03) by newmail.rmm.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 205E2285AC for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:05:37 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <1E519418-C8C4-4DD5-BFDC-F95158DA097E@todoo.biz> From: bsd To: Liste FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:05:33 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Delay startup of services in rc.conf || elswhere X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:05:39 -0000 Hello, I have a server configured to start 10 services at startup (in /etc/=20 rc.conf) Unfortunately, the startup of MySQL seems to be returning "ok" before =20= It actually has started completely the program=85 the next program rely =20= on MySQL and does not start well because the database is not "fully" =20 started. I would like to introduce something like a "sleep 10" timer in the =20 service startup process=85 How can I do that? =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF= =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF Gregober ---> PGP ID --> 0x1BA3C2FD bsd @at@ todoo.biz =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF= =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF P "Please consider your environmental responsibility before printing =20 this e-mail" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 11:07:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554EA1065670 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:07:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kheuer2@gwdg.de) Received: from tmailer.gwdg.de (tmailer.gwdg.de [134.76.10.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C4008FC0A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:07:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kheuer2@gwdg.de) Received: from gwdu60.gwdg.de ([134.76.8.60]) by mailer.gwdg.de with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L2OQt-0007rp-Pt for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:07:47 +0100 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:07:47 +0100 (CET) From: Konrad Heuer To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081118120612.A86747@gwdu60.gwdg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Level: - X-Virus-Scanned: (clean) by exiscan+sophie Subject: Vuala for FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:07:49 -0000 Are there any chances to see FreeBSD supported by vua.la? Does anybody know? Best regards Konrad Heuer GWDG, Am Fassberg, 37077 Goettingen, Germany, kheuer2@gwdg.de From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 11:15:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DDD31065673 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:15:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from riaank@gmail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874EF8FC14 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:15:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from riaank@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k31so3471762fkk.11 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 03:15:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=56AUDfeAMyv6Y1sz/Buq22g9GetCEiou48Q47ss1rUs=; b=ghTP8ERKc0iC+uvVBDVKm0exfj3baox5inn8CGuh3rSpeBIUHzE8TyxNqvqzmIVjtS 9JWPnoTZHCqq860UAfx2hKbGawu0dU6wuGUWDh8s5xJag+bSlQqjo+HMrfqMYujwx7qO QfIh4TuAz8d+q1tWCMsXLRM2QjEW0MvRhlTaI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=U+f6+l9hgQb2Zs1LJ6TyL8Rsz6rDQj87IQSg4X2OQ7asSd1y7pgzJ0+vTjWdTKDump 6hamzdZf6uTVNklDfpO5Ow8HWF0bvBeBupB1tn1qaVoX9DvE/aMME0n9uOvYEG6IWd6N U6f7N/wEdPzMsApFFjggiIw6TYYzeZUqp05/I= Received: by 10.187.198.8 with SMTP id a8mr644220faq.4.1227006923378; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 03:15:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.187.221.16 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 03:15:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <85c4b1850811180315l2ab11d00l24e2f4c628aaa5ef@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:15:23 +0200 From: "Riaan Kruger" To: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrick_Lamaizi=E8re?=" In-Reply-To: <20081115141505.029273ca@baby-jane-lamaiziere-net.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <85c4b1850811140337n75321b0ao24a1361b076002c5@mail.gmail.com> <20081115141505.029273ca@baby-jane-lamaiziere-net.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IPsec's use of processors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:15:25 -0000 On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Patrick Lamaizi=E8re wrote: > Le Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:37:58 +0200, > "Riaan Kruger" a =E9crit : > > > I would like to know how IPsec makes use of a multi processor machine? > > > > I have gateway (FreeBSD 7.0) with four SAs configured. When testing > > throughput through the configured SAs, I see (with systat) that only > > one cpu works really hard (+-10% idle min), two others work a bit > > (+-70% idle min) and the fourth CPU does pretty much nothing. > > > > Is this normal, shouldn't at least the two cpus work hard because of > > the high throughput? > > I guess that's because the cryptographic requests are dispatched > and done by two kernel threads. The thread 'crypto' dispatches and > processes the requests, the thread 'crypto-returns' returns the results. > > You can see these kernel threads with top S H > > Regards. > Thanx for your reply. So there is one thread to dispatch the crypto operations to the crypto providers and another to get the return. Also if i am using software crypt= o providers, as supplied per default on FreeBSD, there will be effectively on= e thread that does the actual symmetric crypto operations. I think this is s= o because the actual crypto operations in cryptosoft are synchronous and will complete and then return. With hardware crypto providers the crypto thread will pass the operation to the device and return letting the driver of the device call back when it is done. If my above assesment is correct then using the software crypto providers will result in only 1 CPU effectively being used for symmetric encryption. Regards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 11:16:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD9D1065673 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:16:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 425A98FC13 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:16:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIBGIbS084169; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:16:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAIBGIHM084166; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:16:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:16:18 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Konrad Heuer In-Reply-To: <20081118120612.A86747@gwdu60.gwdg.de> Message-ID: <20081118121520.M84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081118120612.A86747@gwdu60.gwdg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Vuala for FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:16:25 -0000 > > Are there any chances to see FreeBSD supported by vua.la? Does anybody know? no idea what vua.la, but ask it's author about it. if it's already unix program (be it linux, solaris, netbsd, whatever) it's just matter of few hours (worst case few days) of work. > > Best regards > Konrad Heuer > GWDG, Am Fassberg, 37077 Goettingen, Germany, kheuer2@gwdg.de > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 11:23:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BC3106564A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:23:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDCA38FC0A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:23:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIBNPuv084194; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:23:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAIBNOAL084191; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:23:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:23:24 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: stephen jackson In-Reply-To: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:23:30 -0000 > I have read briefly on FreeBSD and it seems to be the winner on speed and > stability versus Linux and of course MS Windows. versus linux - of course, versus windows - it's different OS, we should define how do you compare. for example running windows apps under FreeBSD with wine will probably be slower than under windows. As your laptop was probably sold with windows, request it's manufacturer/reseller to fix the problems or give it back, and buy another better supported. > Anyway, how about you plus Google cash, and others (?), putting a simple > easy partition of MS hard disks and FreeBSD install with a nice GUI. And > getting Google to distribute it to the World. My question is, how much once again i repeat - FreeBSD is not windows replacement. it's unix. All "nice GUI" for unices turned to be bad idea, every windows user will say it's poor compared to windows. and they are right. it will be very nice if someone/some company produce true windows compatible OS, running windows programs, windows installers, but being much better and faster. of course - they could reuse lots of FreeBSD code, like device drivers for example and graphics modules from Xorg. FreeBSD is very good in hardware support now, with most of drivers being very stable and high performance. for now there is no such thing, except ReactOS which is in early alpha state. > hardware can you produce drivers for. Presumbably Apple Mac OSX have most of > the hardware drivers, so can you?? Mac OSX reused lots of unix code, mostly FreeBSD AFAIK, + everything by it's own. it could be seen as a competitor for M$ Windows, if it's better or not i don't know, i don't use both. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 11:24:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8371F1065678 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:24:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5863C8FC1C for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:24:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so2755218rvf.43 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 03:24:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=get07yxicvUT0Q7I8lgkl9jO2sCPzrDtteWhbir2rUo=; b=FzbKgP0FaTKPGFufNPxp31kjUkvw4/eVW7gQS1msb/U3Oinv8bpXfNj7z4rEaWvqO8 PlKlQJNdumtB0OSZ5UeGT+Eb8YnuzUJqah3hKn2E4YSZn2sYfSnmJgzKAu7TtzjXhRSP 3sBMkK96OQ8uEDMOVA9b70Cl+BYsPNV9LN0aA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=K6ERS1+zKJEA7kiHwbxstkGpzeOJe8MY8O9Al2Ct6uqx8HrBufqs/FAWb83en6JWTj omxWTGV13wz1asyghXbtEhyyhpoYuD913KnNvTdNY5qTtxAWgcxg40AcCUATg+dv8UuJ +nb6tkVj1Z3256i1c5hZV/MXLbJKivNJJdLPc= Received: by 10.142.188.4 with SMTP id l4mr2540747wff.271.1227007461119; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 03:24:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.180.17 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 03:24:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <139b44430811180324u57b8c9d8k99e9cc275949bbf6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:24:21 +0200 From: "Valentin Bud" To: bsd In-Reply-To: <1E519418-C8C4-4DD5-BFDC-F95158DA097E@todoo.biz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1E519418-C8C4-4DD5-BFDC-F95158DA097E@todoo.biz> Cc: Liste FreeBSD Subject: Re: Delay startup of services in rc.conf || elswhere X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:24:22 -0000 Hello bsd, I once had a problem just like yours. I introduced at the end of the mysql startup script from /usr/local/etc/rc.d a "sleep 10" command and that did the trick. all the best, v On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 1:05 PM, bsd wrote: > Hello, > > > I have a server configured to start 10 services at startup (in /etc/rc.co= nf) > > Unfortunately, the startup of MySQL seems to be returning "ok" before It > actually has started completely the program=85 the next program rely on M= ySQL > and does not start well because the database is not "fully" started. > > I would like to introduce something like a "sleep 10" timer in the servic= e > startup process=85 > > > How can I do that? > > > =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF= =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF > Gregober ---> PGP ID --> 0x1BA3C2FD > bsd @at@ todoo.biz > =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF= =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF > > P "Please consider your environmental responsibility before printing this > e-mail" > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 11:24:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59F751065673 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:24:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D97C8FC25 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:24:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAAB4AFC1C6; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:24:55 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:24:29 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <1E519418-C8C4-4DD5-BFDC-F95158DA097E@todoo.biz> In-Reply-To: <1E519418-C8C4-4DD5-BFDC-F95158DA097E@todoo.biz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811181224.29669.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: Subject: Re: Delay startup of services in rc.conf || elswhere X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:24:57 -0000 On Tuesday 18 November 2008 12:05:33 bsd wrote: > Hello, > > > I have a server configured to start 10 services at startup (in /etc/ > rc.conf) > > Unfortunately, the startup of MySQL seems to be returning "ok" before > It actually has started completely the program=85 the next program rely > on MySQL and does not start well because the database is not "fully" > started. > > I would like to introduce something like a "sleep 10" timer in the > service startup process=85 > > > How can I do that? There's no standard support for this. You will have to modify the script in= =20 (/usr/local)/etc/rc.d/ for that service, specifically the ${name}_start=20 function. You will however have to do this with each update, so it is=20 generally better to contact the author of the service that depends on MySQL= ,=20 to more gracefully start up: if the connection can't be made that it tries= =20 again until it does (maybe with a max_retries setting). This is very trivia= l=20 stuff in daemons. =2D-=20 Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 11:27:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DBCE1065674 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:27:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E138FC20 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:27:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIBRh5O084219; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:27:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAIBRgNv084216; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:27:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:27:42 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Matthew Seaman In-Reply-To: <49227279.8040607@infracaninophile.co.uk> Message-ID: <20081118122350.X84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <49227279.8040607@infracaninophile.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: stephen jackson , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:27:49 -0000 > If you're thinking of trying out FreeBSD, then this is the right place to > come. A word of warning though: it's not at all like Windows, or even > MacOSX. You will be expected to learn quite a bit about the low level MacOSX can run unix programs, but in every other respect is not like unix as you said. > nitty-gritty of the OS in order to achieve the best results. Of course, > the "best results" are very good indeed, and in my humble opinion, well > worth the effort required. > > Installing on laptop type hardware is a tricky proposition: it's very much > luck of the draw whether your particular model has sufficient driver support For FreeBSD supported laptops Lenovo as generally good choice. Of course others may work too. It's best to go to the shop and run LiveCD, check dmesg to see if everything is detected, check if it works, and then buy/not buy. But yes - laptops have very often strange/nonstandard hardware. > Driver support really is the kicker in all of this. Apple MacOSX doesn't > have this problem, since it only runs on Apple proprietary hardware. If the AFAIK it can be run on ordinary PC with simple patches. just because todays Apple hardware are just ordinary PCs, just with 2-3 times higher price ;) > Even if Apple does have a driver for a piece of kit not already supported in > FreeBSD, it cannot be assumed that Apple will automatically donate the code > to the FreeBSD project. BTW are there any drivers in FreeBSD source tree that was written by Apple? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 11:51:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 744AC1065679 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:51:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4437D8FC2B for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:51:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4428DAFC1C6; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:51:09 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:51:07 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <49227279.8040607@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081118122350.X84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: <20081118122350.X84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811181251.07972.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: stephen jackson , Wojciech Puchar Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:51:10 -0000 On Tuesday 18 November 2008 12:27:42 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > If you're thinking of trying out FreeBSD, then this is the right place to > > come. A word of warning though: it's not at all like Windows, or even > > MacOSX. You will be expected to learn quite a bit about the low level > > MacOSX can run unix programs, but in every other respect is not like unix > as you said. > > > nitty-gritty of the OS in order to achieve the best results. Of course, > > the "best results" are very good indeed, and in my humble opinion, well > > worth the effort required. > > > > Installing on laptop type hardware is a tricky proposition: it's very > > much luck of the draw whether your particular model has sufficient driver > > support > > For FreeBSD supported laptops Lenovo as generally good choice. Not anymore. They were when it was still IBM. Some in-depth discussion here: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mobile/2008-July/010831.html And of course, there's: http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 12:07:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA91D1065677 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:07:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from betty.computinginnovations.com (mail.computinginnovations.com [64.81.227.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 998E28FC14 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:07:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from p28.computinginnovations.com (dhcp-10-20-30-100.computinginnovations.com [10.20.30.100]) (authenticated bits=0) by betty.computinginnovations.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIC716G019830; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:07:01 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20081118055913.026155c0@mail.computinginnovations.com> X-Sender: derek@mail.computinginnovations.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:06:26 -0600 To: "David Horn" From: Derek Ragona In-Reply-To: <25ff90d60811172223t226714aq6e8202b19a2c8bfb@mail.gmail.com > References: <6.0.0.22.2.20081117193403.025dfa50@mail.computinginnovations.com> <25ff90d60811172223t226714aq6e8202b19a2c8bfb@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081117-0, 11/17/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94-exp/8645/Mon Nov 17 22:30:32 2008 on betty.computinginnovations.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner-ID: mAIC716G019830 X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-From: derek@computinginnovations.com X-Spam-Status: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: smbfs 2 GB file size limit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:07:05 -0000 At 12:23 AM 11/18/2008, David Horn wrote: >On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Derek Ragona > wrote: > > I have FreeBSD 7.0 Release and if I mount_smbfs a network NTFS share I > have > > a 2 GB size limit on files. I checked the handbook and list archives but > > have not found a solution. > >I just ran a quick test, and was not able to reproduce this issue with >the mount_smbfs from FreeBSD 7.0. I tried against a Windows 2003 >Server SP2, Windows XP SP3, and Samba 3.0 {on FreeBSD 7} with a 3.5GB >file. > >Was your issue with reading from or writing to a SMB share ? It was writing to a smb share. >What is the server software and OS version ? >(if Microsoft Windows, please include Service Pack number as well, as >it might make a difference) Windows 2003 server 32bit. >How much disk space is left on your server volume ? Over a terabyte free >Are there disk quotas enabled on the server ? None >What error message are you getting from your FreeBSD client (if any) ? No error message, it just stopped writing at 1 Gb. I was doing this using scp. >Can you check the smb server logs and see if you are getting any error >messages there ? Well I'm just mounting the volume to FreeBSD from the Windows server so not sure I'll find much in the logs besides the system log, but I will look. >You may want to get a Wireshark trace and see if you can capture the >SMB error message/error code. > >I have heard of people running into similar problems when running >against older server software (NT 4.0/old samba) when the SMB session >did not negotiate large file/large write support (a function of the >SMB server capabilities session negotiation) I saw posts to that effect and that you needed samba 3.x to support large files sizes, and the lfs option. But the mount_smbfs doesn't offer any large file option. > > Supposedly there is an smbmount as part of the > > standard samba, but that doesn't seem to install from any of the samba > > ports. > >smbmount is not included in the FreeBSD port of samba, as it is Linux >kernel specific. mount_smbfs(8) is the correct userland app. > >You could always try the samba smbclient(1) to access SMB shares using >an FTP-like environment. I saw that as an option. I may try that to test this issue. > > > > Any help would be appreciated. > >Sorry I do not have a good solution for you. Perhaps someone else >will give you better advice. Thanks for the help! -Derek -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 12:12:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B991D1065670 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:12:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+3Z=0051bdda@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from fallback-in1.mxes.net (fallback-out1.mxes.net [216.86.168.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 886548FC17 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:12:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+3Z=0051bdda@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from mxout-08.mxes.net (mxout-08.mxes.net [216.86.168.183]) by fallback-in1.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB0F9164685 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:01:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (unknown [87.81.140.128]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285C3D0563 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:01:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:01:05 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081118120105.4776f731@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <1E519418-C8C4-4DD5-BFDC-F95158DA097E@todoo.biz> References: <1E519418-C8C4-4DD5-BFDC-F95158DA097E@todoo.biz> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Delay startup of services in rc.conf || elswhere X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:12:43 -0000 On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:05:33 +0100 bsd wrote: > Hello, > > > I have a server configured to start 10 services at startup (in /etc/ > rc.conf) > > Unfortunately, the startup of MySQL seems to be returning "ok" > before It actually has started completely the program___ the next > program rely on MySQL and does not start well because the database is > not "fully" started. > > I would like to introduce something like a "sleep 10" timer in the > service startup process___ The cleanest solution is to create a minimal rc script that will sort between the mysql and the affected services, and just give it a start command that pauses for 10 seconds. I do a similar thing where I poll for network access before allowing anything that relies on it to start. #!/bin/sh # # PROVIDE: networkwait # REQUIRE: named # BEFORE: ntpdate . /etc/rc.subr networkwait_enable=${networkwait_enable:-"NO"} name="networkwait" rcvar=`set_rcvar` stop_cmd=":" start_cmd="networkwait_start" networkwait_start(){ if [ "$networkwait_ping_hosts" ] ; then host_list="${networkwait_ping_hosts}" else # No hosts supplied - use external nameservers host_list=`awk '/^ *nameserver/ {print $2} '< /etc/resolv.conf | grep -E -v '^127\.0+\.0+\.0*1'` fi echo -n "Waiting for network access ... " while true ; do for inet_host in $host_list ; do if ping -nc1 $inet_host 2>&1 > /dev/null ; then echo "ping to ${inet_host} succeeded." # Re-Sync ipfilter and pf in case # they had failed DNS lookups /etc/rc.d/ipfilter resync /etc/rc.d/pf resync exit 0 fi done sleep 5 done } load_rc_config ${name} run_rc_command "$1" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 12:31:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54F17106567B for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:31:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (tunnel490.ipv6.xs4all.nl [IPv6:2001:888:10:1ea::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D63B48FC18 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:31:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (BOFH@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAICVmSM096323; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:31:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: (from bulk@localhost) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id mAICVmlq096322; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:31:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:31:47 +0100 From: Ruben de Groot To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20081118123147.GA96005@ei.bzerk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Ruben de Groot , Wojciech Puchar , stephen jackson , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on ei.bzerk.org X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (ei.bzerk.org [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:31:50 +0100 (CET) Cc: stephen jackson , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:31:52 -0000 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:23:24PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar typed: > > once again i repeat - FreeBSD is not windows replacement. it's unix. > All "nice GUI" for unices turned to be bad idea, every windows user will > say it's poor compared to windows. and they are right. I totally disagree. Please note that your *opinion* doesn't become truth, even when you keep repeating it over and over. there's a whole spectrum of window/desktop environments to choose from for every conceivable usage or need. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 12:37:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229791065672 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:37:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tfcheng@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E90E18FC17 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:37:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tfcheng@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so2778355rvf.43 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:37:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=k3H6UrueOU0mGorzIDvG08apPELiV7GGiTDsGEmAnOs=; b=BVNo1RvE1L1dfkOimFoT4CqyHOl25YaC70V3C8AXGbUJgBg387bMg0XJsDZJxzCNYz vx962tYIs6QbLR+W68zgzxhqVindTz4GJ5OqBjjUs715Eg7/cp234zPsRrbWxCPKwRGE 1OIDbys4DdORBJMZH9nw95/FSMIjCo++RDlII= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=HmLpLKav8HVtFG/7VjAa9O16gu2gEunlkZLt9e8Xcv9Dm7/44Bd8uvgdYit96Tc7xR qYxiAqHnsk0myjmXgAM7ulSwc620RUcoqCuiDTIh9JZ6MkRUbaFOGQO6+ci8xG/FnHic fuz0EyD/pTiMLGKr0RBJA/Dbg9ZYjTRCyZHC0= Received: by 10.142.163.13 with SMTP id l13mr2572255wfe.244.1227011831471; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:37:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.143.20 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:37:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:37:11 -0500 From: "Tsu-Fan Cheng" To: Mel In-Reply-To: <200811180651.33337.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200811180518.38658.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <200811180651.33337.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pkg_delete core dump X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:37:12 -0000 Hi Mel, the link to download the +CONTENTS file is here http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YDKFRCZG, and you know what? I don't have +REQUIRED_BY file. thanks!! there is a empty entry in the +CONTENTS file: [snip] @pkgdep linux-scim-libs-1.4.4 @comment DEPORIGIN:textproc/linux-scim-libs @pkgdep @comment $FreeBSD: ports/print/acroread8/pkg-plist,v 1.2 2008/04/13 18:36:28 hrs Exp $ [snip] TFC On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:51 AM, Mel wrote: > On Tuesday 18 November 2008 05:18:37 Mel wrote: >> On Monday 17 November 2008 22:15:32 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote: >> > Hi Mel, >> > thank you for your help, now I recompile pkg_install and run >> > pkg_delete again, under print/acroread8 it still coredump. here is the >> > result: >> > >> > # gdb pkg_delete pkg_delete.core >> > GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] >> > Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. >> > GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you >> > are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain >> > conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. >> > There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for >> > details. This GDB was configured as "i386-marcel-freebsd"... >> > Core was generated by `pkg_delete'. >> > Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. >> > Reading symbols from /lib/libmd.so.4...done. >> > Loaded symbols for /lib/libmd.so.4 >> > Reading symbols from /lib/libc.so.7...done. >> > Loaded symbols for /lib/libc.so.7 >> > Reading symbols from /libexec/ld-elf.so.1...done. >> > Loaded symbols for /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 >> > #0 0x2815dae6 in strcmp () from /lib/libc.so.7 >> > (gdb) bt >> > #0 0x2815dae6 in strcmp () from /lib/libc.so.7 >> > #1 0x0804b50c in isinstalledpkg (name=0x0) >> > at /usr/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/lib/match.c:374 >> >> There's the culprit. strcmp called on a null pointer. The reason is that >> the +CONTENTS file contains corrupted data. Most likely a @pkgdep line >> without a package name. Could you show the output of: >> grep @pkgdep /var/db/pkg/acroread8-8.1.2_2/+CONTENTS > > Actually, considering it comes from undepend, could you also include: > cat /var/db/pkg/acroread8-8.1.2_2/+REQUIRED_BY > > -- > Mel > > Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules > and never get to the software part. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 11:03:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF77E1065672 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:03:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vijibn.07@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.155]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 743178FC08 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:03:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vijibn.07@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so2307245fgb.35 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 03:03:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=u5Wt7hcPyiatZV7425VWZQD7ZN2hJgwsokeVAtIatXw=; b=UGIE+fKWbqlJKNa696oyHkkCjCsXgoP0yObuTYSfVxNpoIPXrvCeQp/Bew1INgWAAM F/AFiB1LOlvVO8EV5xy5H+jmtYuK4/U5/KV105rgw+eSrJmK/XLbKHAoi+b3j+UWsYB0 fp9DclSaKRiJuyG3CodNvyo+18ubb62dhLZ78= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=kB3YerUkDbkaDOOswTQSCBLKq8YwxmJ+MGmQhYKlhKctV2z3lLAurEeOcqe2Ki4LGx U7gG7nSYZdWJsMvXcYauINB/NBlmpI45L08THyQ99tNtvaEdZWE8FgYYKdfF0Hv8H1Nh ce2iIAiSyqcmXjR3Xb/DAITJVdi79/3BPBxjA= Received: by 10.187.252.4 with SMTP id e4mr635457fas.7.1227004808603; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:40:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.187.208.7 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:40:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:10:08 +0530 From: "Vijayalakshmi BN" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:43:35 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Help needed: Which gcc version supports xmemalign X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:03:24 -0000 Hello, I'm working on Solaris 9 and using gcc version 2.9.5. I'm facing issues with respect to memory misalignment. I'm getting SIGBUS errors. Through various websites, I found that xmemalign can be used while compiling to handle memory alignment issues. Bu the version I'm using doesn't support xmemalign option. Even gcc version 3.4.3 doesn't support. It says: gcc: language memalign=1i not recognized Can you let me know which version of gcc supports xmemalign option on solaris? Also where can I download the gcc version from? Thanks and Regards, Viji From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 12:44:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E0E10656A3 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:44:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zszalbot@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FB1F8FC17 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:44:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zszalbot@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1199257yxb.13 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:44:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ttN7wADu0UyH0jNam6JyAlhMbT+4am8RSb0DjLwjWKk=; b=MZk/AX2UtsMn084QX98cYqqp6m/g/KcHJUrTUF/Uv3Es3QO/SJDVCP1R4yiLSPC2mK Suq8dBh4ftPAdJ9R2cYjW+Oq3ohkZ0vzDYImz6iTXyx6nba3rthfMYjT+1xxaBqoucpm rpW+OqIcq0k3pl8eJ3Oc9TOlBaRGmeLyCl6qE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=WTtPg1cu+kdV28DghNRFFYSZNtLnZooo6U/2gB85C3fBXNsT7UoJ7hOh9ucAt9gbCy AJcEymYI++KpvAP1WDVS7IFOYKZBecE1865MIVzJwG5wrrkgyGDa9Kv6DYP5Gdb+JsvU 7a7XIOvLSe3xcotF12OPfHuvXZehFROHQNuxg= Received: by 10.64.232.9 with SMTP id e9mr4876558qbh.13.1227012266853; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:44:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.241.16 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:44:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <94136a2c0811180444n51cae14bg70654bc7b93445f8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:44:26 +0100 From: "Zbigniew Szalbot" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081118123147.GA96005@ei.bzerk.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118123147.GA96005@ei.bzerk.org> Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:44:27 -0000 Hi, On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 13:31, Ruben de Groot wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:23:24PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar typed: >> >> once again i repeat - FreeBSD is not windows replacement. it's unix. >> All "nice GUI" for unices turned to be bad idea, every windows user will >> say it's poor compared to windows. and they are right. > > I totally disagree. Please note that your *opinion* doesn't become truth, > even when you keep repeating it over and over. there's a whole spectrum > of window/desktop environments to choose from for every conceivable > usage or need. You seem to be reserving FBSD only for the experts. I wouldn't be here using this great OS if it had been you I met in the first place. Fortuantely, there were very kind people here who helped me make first steps into the world of UNIX and then continued supporting me along the way. By constantly repeating that UNIX is no Windows replacement you are only discouraging fresh blood from entering the system. It is true that the system has steep learning curve but it is not an elite system for the chosen few. Contrary to what you think, the more people use it, the more chance we get of (for example) hardware producers making FBSD drivers. So please stop discouraging people from using it. Please. -- Zbigniew Szalbot From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 13:12:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2BE71065679 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:12:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E10808FC12 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:12:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIDCg4l084515; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:12:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAIDCe7V084512; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:12:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:12:39 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Mel In-Reply-To: <200811181251.07972.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Message-ID: <20081118140833.L84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <49227279.8040607@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081118122350.X84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <200811181251.07972.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: stephen jackson , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:12:48 -0000 >> For FreeBSD supported laptops Lenovo as generally good choice. > > Not anymore. They were when it was still IBM. Some in-depth discussion here: > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mobile/2008-July/010831.html thanks for info. it was really on place as i told someone yesterday. fortunately he didn't yet buy laptop > > And of course, there's: > http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html > very expensive. some lower end model (in addition to that) would be nice. FreeBSD isn't slow, so in most cases much less powerful and cheaper do fine. i understand good part of the price is because it's made quite resistant physically. anyway - if i will like to buy NEW laptop and someone will sell it in Poland i would buy this. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 13:16:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EFB3106564A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:16:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF4748FC1E for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:16:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F8DFAFC1C6; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:16:45 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:16:42 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <200811180651.33337.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811181416.43391.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: Tsu-Fan Cheng Subject: Re: pkg_delete core dump X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:16:46 -0000 On Tuesday 18 November 2008 13:37:11 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote: > Hi Mel, > the link to download the +CONTENTS file is here > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YDKFRCZG, and you know what? I don't have > +REQUIRED_BY file. thanks!! > > there is a empty entry in the +CONTENTS file: > > [snip] > @pkgdep linux-scim-libs-1.4.4 > @comment DEPORIGIN:textproc/linux-scim-libs > @pkgdep > @comment $FreeBSD: ports/print/acroread8/pkg-plist,v 1.2 2008/04/13 > 18:36:28 hrs Exp $ That's definetely the cause of the crash. The patch below should guard against pkg_delete crashing. How this line got created in the first place, is very weird. I would run: grep -E '^@(pkgdep|name)[[:space:]]*$' /var/db/pkg/*/+CONTENTS Which would show all dependency lines and name directives that are empty. Maybe there's a common factor. For the moment my money is on linux-nvu as that would be the dependency that belongs at the empty spot: # make -C /usr/ports/print/acroread8 actual-package-depends | sort -u -t : -k 2 linux-atk-1.9.1:accessibility/linux-atk linux-glib2-2.6.6_1:devel/linux-glib2 linux_base-fc-4_13:emulators/linux_base-fc4 linux-cairo-1.0.2:graphics/linux-cairo linux-jpeg-6b.34:graphics/linux-jpeg linux-png-1.2.8_2:graphics/linux-png linux-tiff-3.7.1:graphics/linux-tiff hicolor-icon-theme-0.10_2:misc/hicolor-icon-theme acroreadwrapper-0.0.20080906:print/acroreadwrapper linux-expat-1.95.8:textproc/linux-expat linux-scim-libs-1.4.4:textproc/linux-scim-libs linux-nvu-1.0:www/linux-nvu linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_7:x11-fonts/linux-fontconfig linux-hicolor-icon-theme-0.5_1:x11-themes/linux-hicolor-icon-theme linux-gtk2-2.6.10:x11-toolkits/linux-gtk2 linux-pango-1.10.2:x11-toolkits/linux-pango linux-xorg-libs-6.8.2_5:x11/linux-xorg-libs -- Mel Index: plist.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/lib/plist.c,v retrieving revision 1.52 diff -u -r1.52 plist.c --- plist.c 28 Mar 2007 05:33:52 -0000 1.52 +++ plist.c 18 Nov 2008 12:51:02 -0000 @@ -31,6 +31,11 @@ { PackingList tmp; + if( arg == NULL || arg[0] == '\0' ) + { + warnx("Invalid packing list line ignored"); + return; + } tmp = new_plist_entry(); tmp->name = copy_string(arg); tmp->type = type; @@ -61,6 +66,11 @@ { PackingList tmp; + if( arg == NULL || arg[0] == '\0' ) + { + warnx("Invalid packing list line ignored"); + return; + } tmp = new_plist_entry(); tmp->name = copy_string(arg); tmp->type = type; From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 13:16:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 267501065674 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:16:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 534E18FC1F for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:16:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIDGb24084547; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:16:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAIDGbnh084544; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:16:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:16:37 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Ruben de Groot In-Reply-To: <20081118123147.GA96005@ei.bzerk.org> Message-ID: <20081118141559.R84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118123147.GA96005@ei.bzerk.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: stephen jackson , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:16:47 -0000 >> All "nice GUI" for unices turned to be bad idea, every windows user will >> say it's poor compared to windows. and they are right. > > I totally disagree. Please note that your *opinion* doesn't become truth, i exactly repeat opinion of LOTS of windoze users that tried any unix GUI. it's poor mans windows. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 13:18:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8584F1065675 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:18:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB2BD8FC1B for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:18:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIDIDBg084566; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:18:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAIDIDBl084563; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:18:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:18:13 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Zbigniew Szalbot In-Reply-To: <94136a2c0811180444n51cae14bg70654bc7b93445f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081118141648.M84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118123147.GA96005@ei.bzerk.org> <94136a2c0811180444n51cae14bg70654bc7b93445f8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:18:20 -0000 >> usage or need. > > You seem to be reserving FBSD only for the experts. I wouldn't be here is someone that simply use unix an expert? no. > By constantly repeating that UNIX is no Windows replacement you are and i will repeat it because it's true. it's every other unix replacement. as linux tries for many years to be windows replacement - it's both low end unix and low end windows replacement, "windows for poor". not a nice future for FreeBSD IMHO. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 13:21:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07311065782 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:21:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E01D8FC19 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:21:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8D1EAFC1C6; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:21:54 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:21:53 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811181421.53840.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: Vijayalakshmi BN Subject: Re: Help needed: Which gcc version supports xmemalign X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:21:55 -0000 On Tuesday 18 November 2008 11:40:08 Vijayalakshmi BN wrote: > I'm working on Solaris 9 and using gcc version 2.9.5. I can't for the life of me see any reason how this would be related to FreeBSD. Running FreeBSD 4 (gcc 2.x) on Sun hardware, maybe, but that doesn't seem to be the case. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 14:16:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62AB21065670 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:16:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tfcheng@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.242]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186598FC0A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:16:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tfcheng@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b6so1229769ana.13 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:16:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=0dYEiG94kdk+XwrR8vd3GMwJ3e54edBRGKHhiMNphQ8=; b=ZZXlKET44mpjn2fgtjv5a/wVeG7WeVUjpTMNVXkErvoW5Ubp+X8juKON1/sBP5wI7R gYG5gMIEQaJpWcBlt3vzDOlf63s77+uuc4S5Vno8JLF6j1qSPTHjno+3V83XTwoYKWob z4R2uQQNHzFaUZchIQryX/34PUQjpUD7I99lc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=dBdUO+b0KvpaPAktUsKQ3/UgJEk/eD61+BmjqYl3qwkSSkssTbKyzgeeVArAgF7BA1 RV4xCq7j7T570nOHFjWOgVxdjDo2UqLovd47gRK5sYno849Mh4plb6c61gpAgIgvkvh8 rKvKKwTAZCWJI8Ley/AJipGVNvcCqwF8Qc+Jw= Received: by 10.143.12.19 with SMTP id p19mr2612984wfi.147.1227017774966; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:16:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.143.20 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:16:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:16:14 -0500 From: "Tsu-Fan Cheng" To: Mel In-Reply-To: <200811181416.43391.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200811180651.33337.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <200811181416.43391.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pkg_delete core dump X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:16:16 -0000 it works!! thanks Mel. TFC On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 8:16 AM, Mel wrote: > On Tuesday 18 November 2008 13:37:11 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote: >> Hi Mel, >> the link to download the +CONTENTS file is here >> http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YDKFRCZG, and you know what? I don't have >> +REQUIRED_BY file. thanks!! >> >> there is a empty entry in the +CONTENTS file: >> >> [snip] >> @pkgdep linux-scim-libs-1.4.4 >> @comment DEPORIGIN:textproc/linux-scim-libs >> @pkgdep >> @comment $FreeBSD: ports/print/acroread8/pkg-plist,v 1.2 2008/04/13 >> 18:36:28 hrs Exp $ > > That's definetely the cause of the crash. The patch below should guard against > pkg_delete crashing. > How this line got created in the first place, is very weird. > > I would run: > grep -E '^@(pkgdep|name)[[:space:]]*$' /var/db/pkg/*/+CONTENTS > > Which would show all dependency lines and name directives that are empty. > Maybe there's a common factor. For the moment my money is on linux-nvu as > that would be the dependency that belongs at the empty spot: > # make -C /usr/ports/print/acroread8 actual-package-depends | sort -u -t : -k > 2 > linux-atk-1.9.1:accessibility/linux-atk > linux-glib2-2.6.6_1:devel/linux-glib2 > linux_base-fc-4_13:emulators/linux_base-fc4 > linux-cairo-1.0.2:graphics/linux-cairo > linux-jpeg-6b.34:graphics/linux-jpeg > linux-png-1.2.8_2:graphics/linux-png > linux-tiff-3.7.1:graphics/linux-tiff > hicolor-icon-theme-0.10_2:misc/hicolor-icon-theme > acroreadwrapper-0.0.20080906:print/acroreadwrapper > linux-expat-1.95.8:textproc/linux-expat > linux-scim-libs-1.4.4:textproc/linux-scim-libs > linux-nvu-1.0:www/linux-nvu > linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_7:x11-fonts/linux-fontconfig > linux-hicolor-icon-theme-0.5_1:x11-themes/linux-hicolor-icon-theme > linux-gtk2-2.6.10:x11-toolkits/linux-gtk2 > linux-pango-1.10.2:x11-toolkits/linux-pango > linux-xorg-libs-6.8.2_5:x11/linux-xorg-libs > > > -- > Mel > > > Index: plist.c > =================================================================== > RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/lib/plist.c,v > retrieving revision 1.52 > diff -u -r1.52 plist.c > --- plist.c 28 Mar 2007 05:33:52 -0000 1.52 > +++ plist.c 18 Nov 2008 12:51:02 -0000 > @@ -31,6 +31,11 @@ > { > PackingList tmp; > > + if( arg == NULL || arg[0] == '\0' ) > + { > + warnx("Invalid packing list line ignored"); > + return; > + } > tmp = new_plist_entry(); > tmp->name = copy_string(arg); > tmp->type = type; > @@ -61,6 +66,11 @@ > { > PackingList tmp; > > + if( arg == NULL || arg[0] == '\0' ) > + { > + warnx("Invalid packing list line ignored"); > + return; > + } > tmp = new_plist_entry(); > tmp->name = copy_string(arg); > tmp->type = type; > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 14:40:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A253106564A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:40:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95BF58FC0A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:40:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1L2RkX-00083N-I0 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:40:17 +0000 Received: from p54b27573.dip.t-dialin.net ([84.178.117.115]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:40:17 +0000 Received: from usselmann.m by p54b27573.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:40:17 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Manfred Usselmann Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:40:09 +0100 Organization: ICG IT Consulting GmbH Lines: 41 Message-ID: <20081118154009.2e3be393.usselmann.m@icg-online.de> References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118123147.GA96005@ei.bzerk.org> <94136a2c0811180444n51cae14bg70654bc7b93445f8@mail.gmail.com> <20081118141648.M84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p54b27573.dip.t-dialin.net In-Reply-To: <20081118141648.M84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.5.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i686-pc-mingw32) X-Newsreader: Sylpheed 2.5.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i686-pc-mingw32) Sender: news Cc: Zbigniew Szalbot , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:40:23 -0000 On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:18:13 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> usage or need. > > > > You seem to be reserving FBSD only for the experts. I wouldn't be > > here > > is someone that simply use unix an expert? > > no. > > > > By constantly repeating that UNIX is no Windows replacement you are > > and i will repeat it because it's true. it's every other unix > replacement. > > as linux tries for many years to be windows replacement - it's both > low end unix and low end windows replacement, "windows for poor". This is nonsense. The Windows interface itself is quite limited and not very powerful. Compared e.g. with the old OS/2 desktop, which was really powerful, flexible (and object oriented). How disappointed I was when Win/95 came out being an OS/2 user at that time. From what I have read even the user interface of Mac OS X is much better that Windows although they have a much smaller market share. Anyhow, of course you can fully replace Windows with a unix(-like) system and a suitable desktop enviroment (e.g. KDE, Gnome, XFCE). It depends on your specific requirements and if applications exist which do what you need. But saying that GUI's under Unix are per se inferior is just spreading FUD. Leave that to MS. ;-) Just a small example, how limited Windows really is: Even today it is not possible to configure the standard interface of Windows XP (Luna) in any other color than blue, olive green and silver. LOL. The only advantage Windows has is that many people are used to it. -- Manfred Usselmann From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 14:45:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6AC81065672 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:45:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7796A8FC18 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:45:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so1221077ywe.13 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:45:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=d+9GXBZSXs5pxUvH1eW791wGpxDUZmY/yh8nwl5WX0c=; b=bBSag1uLZLOInA2tk2sGOlYX7bf1oix9gpxDUYA0OGdXjKi6is98injkJb1KlvrlYv 3a5B1HjCSUvbsnKhAsf6A0cDxaKs/xj9kvgDgfq3kTP0G/VpIGR6P+qdp2WZyplS3Fq0 eAnCPPjiR5HV6djO99EdhbDNqX3YnIFwcs0AY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=sY56fMneoEiDrtn9xR7y9hLC4y+SjYT05Y3ojurykXodfc8W59nWKRQxhtw+B8s9zG r7bmOIVu4paXCZP1FLY6zY1yEb6KguYE4o96Gmrh2K7Cf9aSzcEfS6Gc93pXQzbUzFWU i/yJJcQqKAi8hFTiE/LVj7wjLpKmSZBZ+zUOc= Received: by 10.65.155.7 with SMTP id h7mr4956065qbo.58.1227019537168; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:45:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.216.9 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:45:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3a142e750811180645g4b32541ek90a80d4d8fe71beb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:45:37 +0100 From: "Paul B. Mahol" To: "Masoom Shaikh" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081116125622.E24752@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081117172100.GB43367@hub.freebsd.org> Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Kris Kennaway , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: large binary, why not strip ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:45:38 -0000 On 11/17/08, Masoom Shaikh wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Kris Kennaway wrote: > >> On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:56:31PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> > >> > >most of the programs installed from ports have large binary size on >> > > disk >> > > >> > >stripping em all reduces their size dramatically >> > > >> > >I cannot see the reason for not stripping them by default ? >> > >> > me too >> > > >> > >do I miss anything ? >> > >> > no. >> >> I am confused why both of you are seeing "most" of the programs >> installed this way. Can you confirm that this is true and not just an >> exaggeration? >> >> As Matthew says, there are some ports that fail to strip their >> binaries because of how they install files (using cp etc). These are >> bugs that should be reported to their maintainers on a case by case >> basis. >> >> Kris >> >> -- >> In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. >> -- Charles Forsythe >> > Before sending mail I manually stripped * in /usr/local/bin And what about /usr/local/lib/** ? > > else I cud send u the o/p of `ls -lhS` > > yes, "most" is bit exaggerated...I perhaps was talking about first five > > binaries listed in increasing order of size... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 14:49:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F0DA1065670 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:49:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68CBA8FC19 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:49:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIEnfrP084831; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:49:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAIEnePF084828; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:49:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:49:40 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Manfred Usselmann In-Reply-To: <20081118154009.2e3be393.usselmann.m@icg-online.de> Message-ID: <20081118154446.H84809@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118123147.GA96005@ei.bzerk.org> <94136a2c0811180444n51cae14bg70654bc7b93445f8@mail.gmail.com> <20081118141648.M84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118154009.2e3be393.usselmann.m@icg-online.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Zbigniew Szalbot , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:49:49 -0000 > > This is nonsense. The Windows interface itself is quite limited and not > very powerful. as KDE and Gnome and others. > when Win/95 came out being an OS/2 user at that time. From what I have > read even the user interface of Mac OS X is much better that Windows > although they have a much smaller market share. so why it have a much smaller market share? > Anyhow, of course you > can fully replace Windows with a unix(-like) system and a suitable > desktop enviroment (e.g. KDE, Gnome, XFCE). It depends on your specific > requirements and if applications exist which do what you need. But > saying that GUI's under Unix are per se inferior is just spreading FUD. > Leave that to MS. ;-) after being one of sponsors of "easy" linux distributions and desktop environment (RedHat), microsoft now can say the truth that it's crap. > > Just a small example, how limited Windows really is: Even today it is you don't have to tell me this. as all unix "desktop environments" are. because this style of computing is limited by general. In technical university nearest me there was (or is) a guy that when teaching students unix he said: --- Don't use windows. Not because it crashes, not because it's buggy and not because it's damn slow. But because it learns bad habits, that are then almost impossible to get rid of. ---- For me the best sentence about it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 14:55:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECAC11065673 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:55:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from blade2-ext.obspm.fr (blade2-ext.obspm.fr [145.238.186.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7025B8FC16 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:55:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from obspm.fr (pcjas.obspm.fr [145.238.184.233]) by blade2-ext.obspm.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/SIO Observatoire de Paris - 15/11/07) with ESMTP id mAIEtYSX024298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:55:36 +0100 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:55:35 +0100 From: Albert Shih To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081118145535.GB30563@obspm.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (blade2-ext.obspm.fr [145.238.186.20]); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:55:36 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.1/8646/Tue Nov 18 14:31:51 2008 on blade2-ext.obspm.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Wifi Card for laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:55:38 -0000 Hi all I would like to buy a PCMCIA card for my new laptop (because FreeBSD do not recognise my internal wifi AND RJ45 ethernet card....sh** windows say it's Broadcom netXtreme 57xx gigabit ). So I just want to known what 802.11G card I can buy without drivers problem. My local dealer have those card : Netgear WPN511 RangeMax Netgear WG511 | PCMCIA WiFi D-LINK DWA-610 D-LINK DWL-G630 Trendnet TEW-421PC D-LINK DWA-645 RangeBooster N65 ... Linksys WPC54G Linksys WPC54GS Speedbooster Trendnet TEW-441PC Or maybe you can help me to make my internet RJ45 card working ;-) Regards. JAS From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 14:56:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37812106567F for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:56:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from blade2-ext.obspm.fr (blade2-ext.obspm.fr [145.238.186.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF2528FC1E for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:56:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from obspm.fr (pcjas.obspm.fr [145.238.184.233]) by blade2-ext.obspm.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/SIO Observatoire de Paris - 15/11/07) with ESMTP id mAIEuM90024604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:56:23 +0100 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:56:22 +0100 From: Albert Shih To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081118145622.GC30563@obspm.fr> References: <20081118003948.GA62198@obspm.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20081118003948.GA62198@obspm.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (blade2-ext.obspm.fr [145.238.186.20]); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:56:23 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.1/8646/Tue Nov 18 14:31:51 2008 on blade2-ext.obspm.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: shrink ntfs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:56:25 -0000 Le 18/11/2008 à 01:39:48+0100, Albert Shih a écrit > Hi all, > > Newbie question from a not newbie (well I think ;-) ) > > I've install many FreeBSD, but I always use the all disk. > > If I've a laptop come with winxp ? How can I shrink the > WinNT partition ? Can the FreeBSD install CD do that ? > > If he can't what's your advice for some software to do that ? > Thanks for your help. gparted work fine. Regards. -- Albert SHIH SIO batiment 15 Observatoire de Paris Meudon 5 Place Jules Janssen 92195 Meudon Cedex Heure local/Local time: Mar 18 nov 2008 15:55:47 CET From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 15:10:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B7FD1065673 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:10:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F1708FC1C for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:10:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gcZB1a0020EPchoA2fAqDH; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:10:50 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gfAo1a00M2P6wsM8MfAplo; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:10:49 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=7CVT4W3iK0-jqEMRsAwA:9 a=FRWhuUMvwXRZt1Mo8GzIJcGJ1Y8A:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B76A933C36; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:10:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:10:48 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Manfred Usselmann Message-ID: <20081118151048.GA60507@icarus.home.lan> References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118123147.GA96005@ei.bzerk.org> <94136a2c0811180444n51cae14bg70654bc7b93445f8@mail.gmail.com> <20081118141648.M84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118154009.2e3be393.usselmann.m@icg-online.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081118154009.2e3be393.usselmann.m@icg-online.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Zbigniew Szalbot , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:10:50 -0000 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 03:40:09PM +0100, Manfred Usselmann wrote: > On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:18:13 +0100 (CET) > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > >> usage or need. > > > > > > You seem to be reserving FBSD only for the experts. I wouldn't be > > > here > > > > is someone that simply use unix an expert? > > > > no. > > > > > > > By constantly repeating that UNIX is no Windows replacement you are > > > > and i will repeat it because it's true. it's every other unix > > replacement. > > > > as linux tries for many years to be windows replacement - it's both > > low end unix and low end windows replacement, "windows for poor". > > This is nonsense. The Windows interface itself is quite limited and not > very powerful. Compared e.g. with the old OS/2 desktop, which was > really powerful, flexible (and object oriented). How disappointed I was > when Win/95 came out being an OS/2 user at that time. From what I have > read even the user interface of Mac OS X is much better that Windows > although they have a much smaller market share. Anyhow, of course you > can fully replace Windows with a unix(-like) system and a suitable > desktop enviroment (e.g. KDE, Gnome, XFCE). It depends on your specific > requirements and if applications exist which do what you need. But > saying that GUI's under Unix are per se inferior is just spreading FUD. > Leave that to MS. ;-) > > Just a small example, how limited Windows really is: Even today it is > not possible to configure the standard interface of Windows XP (Luna) > in any other color than blue, olive green and silver. LOL. > > The only advantage Windows has is that many people are used to it. I am one of the few UNIX administrators who prefers to use Windows (XP or 2K; cannot stand Vista) as a desktop/workstation operating system. If we really want to talk about all the reasons why I abhor X, we can discuss them some other time, because ultimately they don't (and shouldn't) matter. Why? Because each person should conclude what works best for them, depending upon whatever their needs are. I have a lot of reasons for loathing X. A *lot*. I've spent a lot of time (and even money; anyone remember AccelX back in the 90s? Yep, I bought it) trying to adapt over the years, and I cannot. I'm not going to provide details because it'll just induce more parking lot burn-outs and that's not what I want. Comparatively: I have co-workers who love X and KDE, and hate Windows -- and I have co-workers who absolutely love OS X's GUI, and hate X and Windows. (In fact, the few OS X users I know get quite irate when they find some OS X program actually relies on X11). The only time I curse Windows is when CMD.EXE or command-line utilities come into play. Anyone who's used *IX will know what I mean by this. PowerShell/Monad is a joke, Cygwin is an atrocity, 4NT/4DOS is too quirky, and *IX application ports often have too many bugs (either not handling NTFS filenames correctly (resorting to 8.3 format), or having filesize limitations due to the porter doing it wrong; 2GB limits are found in common programs including Win32 wget). Every operating system/GUI/environment has its share of quirks. It just depends on which ones you can tolerate. I can tolerate some of Windows' quirks (sans "focus stealing", although I'm told KDE applicationg are starting down this road too), but cannot with X or OS X. I suppose it's because I've a mental stigma; I associate *IX and UNIX with servers, and I likely always will. *IX/UNIX on the desktop is a crazy idea to me. That's all I have to say on the matter; I won't reply here on out. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 15:11:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F9BA1065672 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:11:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FC778FC1A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:11:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n8so472805gve.39 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:11:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=xUMotTN9Y+0rdNG/5Em0AviezarCEOKaXPoKsdfauOE=; b=ttJL93e39on5SUBUhrpM+kP4WT2VGF9W5Vgdmt6ZYp5GBjT4HCzubogweExknMg6+f kKtrTPG/+99YISLUI5eOv5G+OWpzdDxy266cdfrnp/48DFo28kZlgrEKw9FW4LuA7lIl LrDlx3YgZDECPch47eWodIMQ3YEl1r6XUhHbQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=QlpRmfrNwiU8aUTg28naOzuy1G1v6u/5E+THOCrkpog7K0/ODe6e5uMlKhuz4HLPm1 zsqaVqIgkooxC2TtGE6GozhnKYGhv8HTcDELXHJXtBJhNo6DmZt24f5ZwtHInUHV8Nf/ 281s2v3NBttspGR40J0idf0Dq9DcfhXaN3S1c= Received: by 10.103.11.5 with SMTP id o5mr1736496mui.75.1227021104170; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:11:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.221.4 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:11:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:11:44 -0600 From: "Andrew Gould" To: "Wojciech Puchar" In-Reply-To: <20081118154446.H84809@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118123147.GA96005@ei.bzerk.org> <94136a2c0811180444n51cae14bg70654bc7b93445f8@mail.gmail.com> <20081118141648.M84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118154009.2e3be393.usselmann.m@icg-online.de> <20081118154446.H84809@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Zbigniew Szalbot , Manfred Usselmann , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:11:46 -0000 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Wojciech Puchar < wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> wrote: > >> This is nonsense. The Windows interface itself is quite limited and not >> very powerful. >> > > as KDE and Gnome and others. > GUI's (and operating systems) should be evaluated by user type. For many, the command line is limiting. For others, it is limitless. > > > > when Win/95 came out being an OS/2 user at that time. From what I have >> read even the user interface of Mac OS X is much better that Windows >> although they have a much smaller market share. >> > > so why it have a much smaller market share? > This is a big question that goes down many roads, including monopolistic practices, effective marketing and the fact that Apple controls both their OS and hardware, which made it less competitive for many years. "Better" does not always mean success in the marketplace. One of the best examples of this is OS/2. When I first started learning about Linux (FreeBSD came later), I read many messages from older IT veterans that if OS/2 had succeeded, they would have no need for Linux. Andrew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 15:16:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B72B31065675 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:16:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from usselmann.m@icg-online.de) Received: from bravo579.server4you.de (bravo579.server4you.de [85.25.132.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778C28FC23 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:16:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from usselmann.m@icg-online.de) Received: from p54b27573.dip.t-dialin.net ([84.178.117.115] helo=CNU6411PMZ) by bravo579.server4you.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.50) id 1L2RkJ-0002LC-9S; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:40:03 +0100 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:40:09 +0100 From: Manfred Usselmann To: Wojciech Puchar Newsgroups: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Message-Id: <20081118154009.2e3be393.usselmann.m@icg-online.de> In-Reply-To: <20081118141648.M84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118123147.GA96005@ei.bzerk.org> <94136a2c0811180444n51cae14bg70654bc7b93445f8@mail.gmail.com> <20081118141648.M84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Organization: ICG IT Consulting GmbH X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.5.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i686-pc-mingw32) X-Newsreader: Sylpheed 2.5.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i686-pc-mingw32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Zbigniew Szalbot , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:16:34 -0000 On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:18:13 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> usage or need. > > > > You seem to be reserving FBSD only for the experts. I wouldn't be > > here > > is someone that simply use unix an expert? > > no. > > > > By constantly repeating that UNIX is no Windows replacement you are > > and i will repeat it because it's true. it's every other unix > replacement. > > as linux tries for many years to be windows replacement - it's both > low end unix and low end windows replacement, "windows for poor". This is nonsense. The Windows interface itself is quite limited and not very powerful. Compared e.g. with the old OS/2 desktop, which was really powerful, flexible (and object oriented). How disappointed I was when Win/95 came out being an OS/2 user at that time. From what I have read even the user interface of Mac OS X is much better that Windows although they have a much smaller market share. Anyhow, of course you can fully replace Windows with a unix(-like) system and a suitable desktop enviroment (e.g. KDE, Gnome, XFCE). It depends on your specific requirements and if applications exist which do what you need. But saying that GUI's under Unix are per se inferior is just spreading FUD. Leave that to MS. ;-) Just a small example, how limited Windows really is: Even today it is not possible to configure the standard interface of Windows XP (Luna) in any other color than blue, olive green and silver. LOL. The only advantage Windows has is that many people are used to it. -- Manfred Usselmann From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 15:39:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3032E1065672 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:39:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from redtick@sbcglobal.net) Received: from web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.111]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E798C8FC18 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:39:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from redtick@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 59908 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Nov 2008 15:39:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=g2dEglC5jQqwRwBLdcyw7lqve1nJmuz1FhaSqSZPY3mJPeHGxIgo+/iWnnHPwR4wylxn8rZyJgstqaDdLFj0Dte8KWghHxjz7jPtTrrvheQXXc+up66SBSBtKHV6fPOcPbsB96S8HLpemDUilZKL8rwtJuaG3ymHwcv4ghZJ5Ss=; Received: from [75.41.234.82] by web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:39:35 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:39:35 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Busby To: help help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <340243.58230.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Ath vs Netgear wg311t stuck beacon error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: redtick@sbcglobal.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:39:36 -0000 I am having trouble getting a Netgear WG311t card to work, I had tried 7.1beta but kept getting irq interrupt storm no matter what slot or irq was set to the slot/card. Installed 6.3, stuck beacon error. I have tried a, b, and g mode. I have tested the card with other "os's" to see if was hardware. ifconfig ath0 up ifconfig ath0 inet 10.10.1.14 netmask 255.255.255.0 ssid myap media 11g mediaopt hostap from /var/log/messages Nov 17 21:21:07 wall kernel: ath0: stuck beacon; resetting (bmiss count 4) Nov 17 21:21:25 wall last message repeated 30 times Nov 17 21:21:25 wall syslogd: exiting on signal 15 Nov 17 21:22:18 wall syslogd: kernel boot file is /boot/kernel/kernel Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: ath0: stuck beacon; resetting (bmiss count 4) Nov 17 21:22:18 wall last message repeated 2 times Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: Waiting (max 60 seconds) for system process `vnlru' to stop...done Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: Waiting (max 60 seconds) for system process `bufdaemon' to stop...ath0: stuck beacon; resetting ( Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: done Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: Waiting (max 60 seconds) for system process `syncer' to stop...ath0: stuck beacon; resetting (bmi Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: ath0: stuck beacon; resetting (bmiss count 4) Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: Syncing disks, vnodes remaining...1 ath0: stuck beacon; resetting (bmiss count 4) Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: 1 ath0: stuck beacon; resetting (bmiss count 4) Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: ath0: stuck beacon; resetting (bmiss count 4) Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: 0 ath0: stuck beacon; resetting (bmiss count 4) Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: 0 ath0: stuck beacon; resetting (bmiss count 4) Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: ath0: stuck beacon; resetting (bmiss count 4) wall# vmstat -i interrupt total rate irq1: atkbd0 94 0 irq15: ata1 47 0 irq17: ath0 228298 33 irq20: atapci0 4678 0 irq23: vr0 2338 0 cpu0: timer 13615967 1999 Total 13851422 2034 >pciconf -lv agp0@pci0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x1b451019 chip=0x02041106 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'VIA Technologies Inc' device = 'K8M400 CPU to PCI Bridge' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb0@pci0:0:1: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x12041106 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'VIA Technologies Inc' device = 'K8M400 CPU to PCI Bridge' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb1@pci0:0:2: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x22041106 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'VIA Technologies Inc' device = 'K8M400 CPU to PCI Bridge' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb2@pci0:0:3: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x32041106 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'VIA Technologies Inc' device = '1394 i2c CPU to PCI Bridge' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb3@pci0:0:4: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x42041106 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'VIA Technologies Inc' device = 'K8M400 CPU to PCI Bridge' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb4@pci0:0:7: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x72041106 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'VIA Technologies Inc' device = 'K8M400 CPU to PCI Bridge' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI pcib1@pci0:1:0: class=0x060400 card=0x00000000 chip=0xb1881106 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'VIA Technologies Inc' device = 'VT8237 K8HTB CPU to AGP 2.0/3.0 Bridge' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI ath0@pci0:9:0: class=0x020000 card=0x700c1799 chip=0x001a168c rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Atheros Communications Inc.' device = 'Atheros AR5005G Atheros AR5005G 802.11abg NIC Chipset / TP-Link (TL-WN551G)' class = network subclass = ethernet dc0@pci0:10:0: class=0x020000 card=0x05701317 chip=0x09851317 rev=0x11 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'ADMtek Inc' device = 'AN983 FastNIC PCI 10/100 Fast Ethernet Adapter' class = network subclass = ethernet atapci0@pci0:15:0: class=0x01018f card=0x1b451019 chip=0x31491106 rev=0x80 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'VIA Technologies Inc' device = 'VT8237 VT6410 SATA RAID Controller' class = mass storage subclass = ATA atapci1@pci0:15:1: class=0x01018a card=0x1b451019 chip=0x05711106 rev=0x06 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'VIA Technologies Inc' device = 'VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C Bus Master IDE Controller' class = mass storage subclass = ATA uhci0@pci0:16:0: class=0x0c0300 card=0x1b451019 chip=0x30381106 rev=0x81 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'VIA Technologies Inc' device = 'VT83C572, VT6202 VIA Rev 5 or later USB Universal Host Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB uhci1@pci0:16:1: class=0x0c0300 card=0x1b451019 chip=0x30381106 rev=0x81 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'VIA Technologies Inc' device = 'VT83C572, VT6202 VIA Rev 5 or later USB Universal Host Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB uhci2@pci0:16:2: class=0x0c0300 card=0x1b451019 chip=0x30381106 rev=0x81 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'VIA Technologies Inc' device = 'VT83C572, VT6202 VIA Rev 5 or later USB Universal Host Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB uhci3@pci0:16:3: class=0x0c0300 card=0x1b451019 chip=0x30381106 rev=0x81 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'VIA Technologies Inc' device = 'VT83C572, VT6202 VIA Rev 5 or later USB Universal Host Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB ehci0@pci0:16:4: class=0x0c0320 card=0x1b451019 chip=0x31041106 rev=0x86 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'VIA Technologies Inc' device = 'VT6202/12 USB 2.0 Enhanced Host Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB isab0@pci0:17:0: class=0x060100 card=0x1b451019 chip=0x32271106 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'VIA Technologies Inc' device = 'VT8237 PCI-to-ISA Bridge' class = bridge subclass = PCI-ISA none0@pci0:17:5: class=0x040100 card=0x18771019 chip=0x30591106 rev=0x60 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'VIA Technologies Inc' device = 'VT8237 AC97 Enhanced Audio Controller - the 8251 controller is different' class = multimedia subclass = audio vr0@pci0:18:0: class=0x020000 card=0x01021106 chip=0x30651106 rev=0x78 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'VIA Technologies Inc' device = 'VT6102 Rhine II PCI Fast Ethernet Controller||Used by GERICOM in laptop Webengine Advanced' class = network subclass = ethernet hostb5@pci0:24:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x11001022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices (AMD)' device = '(K8) Athlon 64/Opteron HyperTransport Technology Configuration' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb6@pci0:24:1: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x11011022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices (AMD)' device = '(K8) Athlon 64/Opteron Address Map' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb7@pci0:24:2: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x11021022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices (AMD)' device = '(K8) Athlon 64/Opteron DRAM Controller' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb8@pci0:24:3: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x11031022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices (AMD)' device = '(K8) Athlon 64/Opteron Miscellaneous Control' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI none1@pci1:0:0: class=0x030000 card=0x1b451019 chip=0x31081106 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'VIA Technologies Inc' device = 'Unknown Via Unichrome S3 VGA - part of a VIA Northbridge' class = display subclass = VGA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 15:41:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 215BD106567D for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:41:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from maanjee@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9744D8FC19 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:41:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from maanjee@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so2376073fgb.35 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:41:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=hP0Mb2S/UokFygTeQtPhO5BcYZcAJyqcqv8pfur/Ans=; b=yHahpLQGXzjA7l1GWsjfA7w+XJKg7ms6OPVL7JzJVXOqZ5lrg5RU22KTItcMsiubO0 N9/I0IMoZLCsrPUb/2ckyhyajJlcNr0MqOiMDiDk7k/Egrqe1E+KmVFl+0vz34WyJzvg FGcoKEw6JPh4q510bJU6K1guwBREhMu6XDs9o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:41:12 -0000 Hello there, To diagnose and solve a Disk Encluser issue, I am advised to run two tools.... 1. Run OMSA live CD on the Server? Since, OMSA Live CD is linux based, I am just wondering if it will work or not? 2. Run Dell's DSET Tool, which is also for Linux systems.... And seeking your comments in this regards: *Server Configuration with FreeBSD 7.0* ** *2 x PE2950 III Quad Core Xeon E5450 3.0GHz,2x6MB,1333FSB *Riser with PCI Express Support (2x PCIe x8 slots; 1x PCIe x4 slot) PE2950 English rack power cord PE2950 Bezel Assembly *16GB (8x2GB Dual Rank DIMMs) 667MHz FBD 6 x 450GB SAS 15k 3.5" HD Hot Plug* PE2950 III - Chassis 3.5HDD x6 Backplane *PERC 6/i, Integrated Controller Card x6 backplane *CD/DVD Drive Cable 8X DVD-ROM Drive IDE PE2950 III Redundant Power Supply No Power Cord Rack Power Distribution Unit Power Cord TCP/IP Offload Engine 2P Broadcom TCP/IP Offload Engine functionality (TOE) Not Enabled Drac 5 Card *PE2950 III C5 MSS R10 Add-in PERC 5/i / 6/i * -- Thanks! BR / vj From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 15:42:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 929781065673 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:42:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan-freebsd-questions@ourbrains.org) Received: from ourbrains.org (li48-221.members.linode.com [66.246.76.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2D5928FC2E for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:42:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan-freebsd-questions@ourbrains.org) Received: (qmail 20257 invoked by uid 1000); 18 Nov 2008 15:42:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:42:26 -0500 From: Dan To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081118154226.GA20147@ourbrains.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:42:05 -0000 Wojciech Puchar(wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl)@2008.11.18 12:23:24 +0100: > FreeBSD is very good in hardware support now, with most of drivers being > very stable and high performance. > > for now there is no such thing, except ReactOS which is in early alpha > state. Have you used, erm... Linux? Both Linux and FreeBSD run pretty much at hardware level. You benchmark either, you'll get very close results in speed and scalability. Both are well optimized. Unix is for servers, Windoze/OSX is for clients. They're much better clients than Unix. Cut and paste still doesn't work well in Unix GUIs. Think about that. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 15:43:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 614031065678 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:43:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 905BA8FC1B for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:43:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIFhmqC085046; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:43:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAIFhms7085043; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:43:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:43:47 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Albert Shih In-Reply-To: <20081118145535.GB30563@obspm.fr> Message-ID: <20081118164135.L84987@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081118145535.GB30563@obspm.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wifi Card for laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:43:55 -0000 > > D-LINK DWL-G630 > > Trendnet TEW-421PC > > D-LINK DWA-645 RangeBooster N65 ... > > Linksys WPC54G > > Linksys WPC54GS Speedbooster > > Trendnet TEW-441PC > ask about chipset they use and then look at FreeBSD site for hardware compatibility. FreeBSD supports a lot of wireless cards. sometimes even more works using driver converter (ndisgen) that converts windows XP drivers. But performance may (will) be lower. > Or maybe you can help me to make my internet RJ45 card working ;-) > what it is? FreeBSD supports most (but not all) network cards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 15:48:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E12171065673; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:48:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11EB88FC13; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:48:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIFm7Gs085059; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:48:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAIFm7iY085056; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:48:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:48:07 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jeremy Chadwick In-Reply-To: <20081118151048.GA60507@icarus.home.lan> Message-ID: <20081118164405.E84987@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118123147.GA96005@ei.bzerk.org> <94136a2c0811180444n51cae14bg70654bc7b93445f8@mail.gmail.com> <20081118141648.M84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118154009.2e3be393.usselmann.m@icg-online.de> <20081118151048.GA60507@icarus.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Zbigniew Szalbot , Manfred Usselmann , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:48:14 -0000 > I am one of the few UNIX administrators who prefers to use Windows (XP > or 2K; cannot stand Vista) as a desktop/workstation operating system. if you need really windows-like computing/desktop-environments/whatever is called they RIGHT - windows is most windows like and it's good choice. > bought it) trying to adapt over the years, and I cannot. I'm not going so you made the right decision. but i think you use your windows through some NAT equipment/server when logging to your unix servers, or your passwords will quickly be compromissed ;) > > Comparatively: I have co-workers who love X and KDE, and hate Windows -- i don't like any of them, because i can't concentrate on the actual work with them. but not "hate". hate in that context is nonsense. > The only time I curse Windows is when CMD.EXE or command-line utilities windows CMD is a joke. simply. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 15:51:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27B6B1065670 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:51:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F6048FC16 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:51:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIFpGTA085072; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:51:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAIFpGqU085069; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:51:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:51:16 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Dan In-Reply-To: <20081118154226.GA20147@ourbrains.org> Message-ID: <20081118165011.G84987@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118154226.GA20147@ourbrains.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:51:24 -0000 > > Have you used, erm... Linux? Both Linux and FreeBSD run pretty much at > hardware level. You benchmark either, you'll get very close results in for benchmarks doing same thing over and over, or same thing in parallel linux can even be better. but try running many different tasks in parallel under linux. FreeBSD flies, while linux chokes. that's why i don't like benchmarks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 15:53:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 887F4106573C for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:53:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@ourbrains.org) Received: from ourbrains.org (li48-221.members.linode.com [66.246.76.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 231068FC17 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:53:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@ourbrains.org) Received: (qmail 20310 invoked by uid 1000); 18 Nov 2008 15:53:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:53:45 -0500 From: Dan To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081118155345.GB20147@ourbrains.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081118145535.GB30563@obspm.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081118145535.GB30563@obspm.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: Wifi Card for laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:53:24 -0000 Albert Shih(Albert.Shih@obspm.fr)@2008.11.18 15:55:35 +0100: > > Netgear WPN511 RangeMax > > Netgear WG511 | PCMCIA WiFi > > D-LINK DWA-610 > > D-LINK DWL-G630 > > Trendnet TEW-421PC > > D-LINK DWA-645 RangeBooster N65 ... > > Linksys WPC54G > > Linksys WPC54GS Speedbooster > > Trendnet TEW-441PC The Ralink chipset is well supported, and they are cheap cards. I have this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833315047 It works well even in host-ap mode, good reception. Did I mention cheap?? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 15:54:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADF351065679 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:54:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan-freebsd-questions@ourbrains.org) Received: from ourbrains.org (li48-221.members.linode.com [66.246.76.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 40F218FC12 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:54:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan-freebsd-questions@ourbrains.org) Received: (qmail 20320 invoked by uid 1000); 18 Nov 2008 15:54:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:54:48 -0500 From: Dan To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Dan Message-ID: <20081118155448.GC20147@ourbrains.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Dan References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118154226.GA20147@ourbrains.org> <20081118165011.G84987@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081118165011.G84987@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:54:27 -0000 Wojciech Puchar(wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl)@2008.11.18 16:51:16 +0100: >> >> Have you used, erm... Linux? Both Linux and FreeBSD run pretty much at >> hardware level. You benchmark either, you'll get very close results in > > for benchmarks doing same thing over and over, or same thing in parallel > linux can even be better. > > but try running many different tasks in parallel under linux. FreeBSD > flies, while linux chokes. Can you point out some places on the web that confirm this? > > that's why i don't like benchmarks. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 16:03:17 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 944BB1065673 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:03:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (tunnel490.ipv6.xs4all.nl [IPv6:2001:888:10:1ea::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EC1B8FC12 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:03:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (BOFH@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIG3Cin097304; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:03:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: (from bulk@localhost) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id mAIG3CSf097303; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:03:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:03:12 +0100 From: Ruben de Groot To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20081118160312.GA97120@ei.bzerk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Ruben de Groot , Wojciech Puchar , stephen jackson , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118123147.GA96005@ei.bzerk.org> <20081118141559.R84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081118141559.R84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on ei.bzerk.org X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (ei.bzerk.org [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:03:15 +0100 (CET) Cc: stephen jackson , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:03:17 -0000 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 02:16:37PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar typed: > >>All "nice GUI" for unices turned to be bad idea, every windows user will > >>say it's poor compared to windows. and they are right. > > > >I totally disagree. Please note that your *opinion* doesn't become truth, > > i exactly repeat opinion of LOTS of windoze users that tried any unix GUI. And you fail miserably at noticing a single opinion of any unix user here who works happily in a (mostly) GUI environment. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 16:09:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FC21065673 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:09:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC238FC0A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:09:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mAIG9lkf008653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:09:47 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mAIG9j3L008652; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:09:45 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:09:45 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: Vijayalakshmi BN Message-ID: <20081118160945.GA23501@dan.emsphone.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-OS: FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help needed: Which gcc version supports xmemalign X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:09:48 -0000 In the last episode (Nov 18), Vijayalakshmi BN said: > I'm working on Solaris 9 and using gcc version 2.9.5. I'm facing > issues with respect to memory misalignment. I'm getting SIGBUS > errors. Through various websites, I found that xmemalign can be used > while compiling to handle memory alignment issues. Bu the version I'm > using doesn't support xmemalign option. Even gcc version 3.4.3 > doesn't support. It says: gcc: language memalign=1i not recognized > Can you let me know which version of gcc supports xmemalign option on > solaris? Also where can I download the gcc version from? -xmemalign=ab is a Sun Studio compiler flag, not a GCC flag. If you don't already have it, you can download it free from http://developers.sun.com/sunstudio/ . If for some reason you must use a GCC frontend, you can try GCC for Sparc Systems ( http://cooltools.sunsource.net/gcc/ ), which supports all the regular GCC flags plus many Sun Studio ones, including xmemalign: http://cooltools.sunsource.net/gcc/flags.html But as Mel said, this has nothing to do with FreeBSD, so this post doesn't exist. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 16:12:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B393106567C for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:12:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D298FC18 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:12:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id mAIG89Sm028674; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:08:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id mAIG89vL028673; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:08:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:08:09 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20081118160808.GC28439@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118123147.GA96005@ei.bzerk.org> <94136a2c0811180444n51cae14bg70654bc7b93445f8@mail.gmail.com> <20081118141648.M84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081118141648.M84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Zbigniew Szalbot , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:12:20 -0000 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 02:18:13PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>usage or need. > > > >You seem to be reserving FBSD only for the experts. I wouldn't be here > > is someone that simply use unix an expert? > > no. > > > >By constantly repeating that UNIX is no Windows replacement you are > > and i will repeat it because it's true. it's every other unix replacement. Time to forget this. It is a semantic and religious battle playing hair splitting games with words. It is not a MS clone but it is an MS replacement. If you overwrite your MS-Win with FreeBSD, it completely replaces it. It will do everything you need except look like MS-Win and people who are trying to get out of MS-land are happy to find that to be true. Give them a hand rather than a kick in the face. ////jerry > > as linux tries for many years to be windows replacement - it's both low > end unix and low end windows replacement, "windows for poor". > > not a nice future for FreeBSD IMHO. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 16:19:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D6E21065678 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:19:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zszalbot@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 145468FC18 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:19:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zszalbot@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so1245960ywe.13 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:19:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=wt2Vj1BcB+lFSwbiGHBdGH65y16Xx8uOW06Wdq+WjV8=; b=Vta8RKHx8f7m3AKztHiGhH8pO2g70LICoaH4VzKQKEediC5TmI89yUvUbnADIfHtlu AP1PD4kpNRQYSqTekCvrh53zkgTqe3pS5SraSOBXQumJ6+QOBSVl1mxTpPYl0LX7s6/l nA1hWWNDPIKhw1k9K1T4acPooaFbSNQ/5QzJ0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=LJXFZhH3acNG0/AWo+DojmgeR5iofaZzEEfZafcgEMCzcpQtYrov0yEatGg7Y22Zg0 +36pNu1qtLitbRLElo1vZWbAvVvwqrdg/gxO281G//+gFQrNQcikDtMeTFrJV52iaB5I 3eX9bQk3t8IU7r18gcMqZJNC5mracKaby1FpA= Received: by 10.65.20.20 with SMTP id x20mr30823qbi.63.1227025155172; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:19:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.241.16 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:19:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <94136a2c0811180819ld92d0c1sc577dc5cfc715081@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:19:14 +0100 From: "Zbigniew Szalbot" To: "User Questions" In-Reply-To: <20081118160808.GC28439@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118123147.GA96005@ei.bzerk.org> <94136a2c0811180444n51cae14bg70654bc7b93445f8@mail.gmail.com> <20081118141648.M84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118160808.GC28439@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:19:19 -0000 Hi, > but it is an MS replacement. If you overwrite your MS-Win with > FreeBSD, it completely replaces it. It will do everything you need > except look like MS-Win and people who are trying to get out of MS-land > are happy to find that to be true. Give them a hand rather than > a kick in the face. Amen to that! This is something I am also asking for. Wojciech you often help others here. Let's keep it this way. Please?! -- Zbigniew Szalbot From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 16:21:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377401065675 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:21:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghartl@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B838FC1D for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:21:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghartl@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1248434yxb.13 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:21:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=mhMg5l6H0azw41Ru9PD3bo+mxu+k9kLyBciTfxy3j7A=; b=U2m7+D4DZactLg5TAMW8iwYNCWoKRNPZKDsnIBknC1wlrQpruZEmE7UL7Luj0Z8/lH UmF6fw5IoGzME5jkggNBik1wu84Fbpihha5G2wpokVK5k9mYglQ1iRBLzAmD62oQAo4o VgrxddpbS6qY3TokTD/T/fM3R94V8qoyOLZSI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; b=pa6NbRXU1jBUBwUPST/9s3xx/pgWE3iiLRnbRLL+OnumpKUO+ircEjrCmpH2b47wP9 B7cFB3bvvOhydcyUZxynzLFCOZJn2/zSvMc1abSRBT3jxCkHh0vy0iwfdY0M5PY/ZQb1 DdzViPlLBj7y8byV3iWFNFlhWNO04eM7WArzA= Received: by 10.65.59.11 with SMTP id m11mr21230qbk.90.1227025265315; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:21:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mainpc (d226-16-220.home.cgocable.net [24.226.16.220]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k27sm9552296qba.10.2008.11.18.08.21.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:21:04 -0800 (PST) From: "Gary Hartl" To: "FreeBSD Questions" Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:21:02 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01c94999$a7532dc0$f5f98940$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclJmaZ4XZvixOn1T/ePje0TP6neOA== Content-Language: en-ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: FreeBSD Media Center X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:21:07 -0000 Hi all; I have an old laptop (Dell Inspiron 7500), P3 550mhz, 256mb ram 20 gig hdd. I am wondering what the validity of putting FBSD on it running VLC or something like that feeding to my tv. Anyone with any feedback on this. Or is there a FBSD Media Center project out either in alpha or beta? Thanks Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 16:36:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 137131065672 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:36:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1358FC0C for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:36:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 30so255196ugs.39 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:36:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=FH7ohcb8RjNVqVYvk193SxrNRoGYT82YMAA3RPsm1DM=; b=CanIM62/iMDMO2zRJD2dik7wb1wQS0IuAYhaS9QxDa/ZgUvNRWUxRwugx1jhcCndg4 Ec1lKPTURiHOxl9Dg0x05P7VIxelxEXBDsxz8Wj9j5ViF/Qk3xRS6ubbpMjHgmNQ74/g u7AX8O/wMGUCdWWO/lzh+0uUsxtzIEW/8OGUs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=S4m24bpTUMhJiSi000RlFDY50nrrCLSkrlc3REXv9VKFKXo0fTXY2VIdy2QZ3qdLOE USa3P8SJZAzSa8IFcsPvSXG6eIr0GOpHMLwBheG64XU1+iVRNizi8Kt3i1i0GTeeE6SR 2Sr8EGtsH+hTQ2cytFjh15BHBQ7mVBtlCZLVc= Received: by 10.67.24.13 with SMTP id b13mr2269192ugj.25.1227026210497; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:36:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from atlantis.dyndns.org (athedsl-4438580.home.otenet.gr [79.129.170.36]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 31sm6940832ugg.34.2008.11.18.08.36.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:36:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4922EF1D.2030907@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:36:45 +0200 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081011) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Hartl References: <000e01c94999$a7532dc0$f5f98940$@com> In-Reply-To: <000e01c94999$a7532dc0$f5f98940$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD Media Center X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:36:52 -0000 Gary Hartl wrote: > Hi all; > > > > I have an old laptop (Dell Inspiron 7500), P3 550mhz, 256mb ram 20 gig hdd. > > > > I am wondering what the validity of putting FBSD on it running VLC or > something like that feeding to my tv. > > > > Anyone with any feedback on this. > I believe it will work in this respect, though it will probably be unable to run high bit rate movies. It should play the average DivX though. I would go with a minimal X environment and mplayer (the command line version) which I feel is the best in decoding media files (vlc is also a good choice). > > > Or is there a FBSD Media Center project out either in alpha or beta? > > > > Thanks > > > > Gary > Well, mythtv is in the ports tree, and is the first that comes to mind. I've never used it myself and as I understand it is going to be kind of an overkill for this machine of yours. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 16:38:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFFB51065672 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:38:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BA468FC18 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:38:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id mAIGYKHX028788; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:34:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id mAIGYKwH028787; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:34:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:34:20 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20081118163419.GD28439@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118123147.GA96005@ei.bzerk.org> <94136a2c0811180444n51cae14bg70654bc7b93445f8@mail.gmail.com> <20081118141648.M84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118154009.2e3be393.usselmann.m@icg-online.de> <20081118154446.H84809@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081118154446.H84809@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Zbigniew Szalbot , Manfred Usselmann , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:38:31 -0000 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 03:49:40PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > >This is nonsense. The Windows interface itself is quite limited and not > >very powerful. > > as KDE and Gnome and others. > > > >when Win/95 came out being an OS/2 user at that time. From what I have > >read even the user interface of Mac OS X is much better that Windows > >although they have a much smaller market share. > > so why it have a much smaller market share? Because MS wrote restrictive contracts with companies trying to sell PCs saying that if they wanted to put MS on any of their machines, they had to put it on all of them. So, immediately every single PC that was sold ran some MS. Most people went with the flow. It was an easier business decision than trying to buck that current. This action should be considered totally illegal in the USA and probably many other countries. It is restraint of trade and forming a monopoly. Kodak lost a big case with similar ramifications many decades ago when they were refusing to sell film without including processing. But, the law cases against MS tended to be centered around including stuff like IE in the OS and making it difficult to switch to Netscape or other browsers. Forcing the OS on everyone seemed to fall off after the "settlement" (more like winding down) of those cases and now some PC sellers who still sell XP or Vista will sell you a machine with something else or even nothing. But, the damage is done. People/businesses have put a lot in to MS-Win, not only buying it and hiring large support forces to get it to work, but also in staff training and acquiring other products to function with it. There are plenty of people who are happy to just stick with MS and not think about it any more - just like businesses stuck with IBM and never listened to any other vendor back in their glory days. They will not be the ones who go to the trouble to read enough about FreeBSD to find this Email list and post questions about it. When someone goes looking for something OTHER than MS, then they are out of that MS fold and are searching for something better, not just for MS by another name. FreeBSD IS better. Some portion of those will look at it and decide to forget it. So what!? That is their problem. But, it is completely non-helpful to keep chanting the 'it ain't MS' mantra in the face of people who are looking to get away from MS. That is really 'DIS-ing' then to use a fad term that has fallen out of popularity. It is reasonable to caution people that FreeBSD and other UNIXen have a fairly steep learning curve. But, that is not an inpenetrable impediment. It is just part of the job of moving to something better. Anyone serious about finding a good alternative will take on that challenge willingly. It is not reasonable to continue to throw up unnecesary barriers to people moving to improve themselves. ////jerry > > >Anyhow, of course you > >can fully replace Windows with a unix(-like) system and a suitable > >desktop enviroment (e.g. KDE, Gnome, XFCE). It depends on your specific > >requirements and if applications exist which do what you need. But > >saying that GUI's under Unix are per se inferior is just spreading FUD. > >Leave that to MS. ;-) > > after being one of sponsors of "easy" linux distributions and desktop > environment (RedHat), microsoft now can say the truth that it's crap. > > > > >Just a small example, how limited Windows really is: Even today it is > > you don't have to tell me this. as all unix "desktop environments" are. > because this style of computing is limited by general. > > > In technical university nearest me there was (or is) a guy that when > teaching students unix he said: > > --- > Don't use windows. Not because it crashes, not because it's buggy and not > because it's damn slow. But because it learns bad habits, that are then > almost impossible to get rid of. > ---- > > For me the best sentence about it. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 16:45:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA691065670 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:45:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 980448FC25 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:45:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id mAIGfC9f028826; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:41:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id mAIGfCHT028825; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:41:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:41:12 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20081118164112.GE28439@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118123147.GA96005@ei.bzerk.org> <20081118141559.R84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081118141559.R84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: stephen jackson , Ruben de Groot , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:45:26 -0000 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 02:16:37PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>All "nice GUI" for unices turned to be bad idea, every windows user will > >>say it's poor compared to windows. and they are right. > > > >I totally disagree. Please note that your *opinion* doesn't become truth, > > i exactly repeat opinion of LOTS of windoze users that tried any unix GUI. > > it's poor mans windows. So, we are not respopnding to someone looking for Windos, but to someone looking for something else. GUI was not even mentioned in the OP. If the guy tries FreeBSD and finds its GUI resources not to his liking he can easily continue looking around. He asked for information about FreeBSD, not about finding a MS-Win look-alike. ////jerry > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 16:49:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF78D106567B for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:49:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95FDD8FC14 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:49:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so1254188ywe.13 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:49:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=4IO3Pkmplde4tIfb10gRaTZ2Yar6iM1NKyf9XmoBsLc=; b=CuYs3uqfBzh+M7ZLVd5BQFc40bA9lah5c9EYTfjNWqbUHHmRAtmd6Vzjw7c4ykCGUw i9gDmxcANvlvrK3CtflBzPpbJzJcFcWltDyOeTFlWGkgDBLqlc7XhfVj9NiMZNlaNLJY CkftFeKUo270yOd3l/q7VS2rRMhaur8UquPB8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=JX1ou/dwp9kXIiICLKVvGS0CgTXE6frbK5l3gJhDSdy4LDen4GEBZ0VX8HkY9REU9O KnR9fSYnZ8FnSdBVvWey3Jwdf/kK1D0cH6F+pmlAm3UxyaW/dqBs1wz1IhFFHViQIZmm CCxPhfmWLb+M+oXTQ2uLgB7ZI9HgDgI8ZzMhI= Received: by 10.103.160.3 with SMTP id m3mr31047muo.25.1227026984204; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:49:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.221.4 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:49:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:49:44 -0600 From: "Andrew Gould" To: "FreeBSD Questions Mailing List" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [OT] printing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:49:46 -0000 Time to buy a new printer. I don't print much from FreeBSD; but the need occasionally arises. Most of my printing is done while using Mac OS X. The Epson Artisan 800 is looking awfully nice; but it's not in the Linux printing database yet (http://openprinting.org/printer_list.cgi). Question: Since Mac OS X uses CUPS, if I share the printer on the Mac, will I need to worry about FreeBSD compatibility of the printer? I only need printing functions (not scan, etc) for the FreeBSD computer. Thanks, Andrew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 16:53:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A74A106567B for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:53:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 435708FC0A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:53:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id mAIGnmXe028882; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:49:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id mAIGnms2028881; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:49:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:49:47 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Dan Message-ID: <20081118164947.GF28439@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118154226.GA20147@ourbrains.org> <20081118165011.G84987@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118155448.GC20147@ourbrains.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081118155448.GC20147@ourbrains.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Jerry McAllister Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:53:59 -0000 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:54:48AM -0500, Dan wrote: > Wojciech Puchar(wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl)@2008.11.18 16:51:16 +0100: > >> > >> Have you used, erm... Linux? Both Linux and FreeBSD run pretty much at > >> hardware level. You benchmark either, you'll get very close results in > > > > for benchmarks doing same thing over and over, or same thing in parallel > > linux can even be better. > > > > but try running many different tasks in parallel under linux. FreeBSD > > flies, while linux chokes. > > Can you point out some places on the web that confirm this? > I can't point this out between Linux and FreeBSD, but back a few years ago, when I was involved in benchmarking high performance systems for purchase here, we found this to often be the case. Some systems just screamed on certain very parallel tasks, but practically came to a halt when a mix of tasks were run or even when trying to edit a script while things were running. Others were slightly less hot on the highly specialized tasks, but did well - much better - on the mix. We chose the system that handled the mix - which ran a BSD UNIX by the way, although a proprietary version as did most back then. Anyway, so, even though I haven't compared FreeBSD and Linux, I am not surprised to hear someone say there is this sort of difference. It is possible. Someone might investigate further and put out some verifiable numbers. ////jerry > > > > that's why i don't like benchmarks. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 17:13:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1B44106564A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:13:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77C578FC0A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:13:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n8so506297gve.39 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:13:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=NvpBzHrpeEO4ryrxyl1P1TKfV1osoflrJhsxUH6Neds=; b=iCI9G8viFBtczYLmwfQBPTFop/J5keE3uPBY7T/O+xnd8l4CsyDTpNOcQlBdVEXXLE SdhO+K66SwZDgQFiC1dNvbVpyy7r9C5Wr4oJjxuC+qsb70MZLTKINw+iL9ytYYz80A1p wWz4yl1m1OJwMLBf0a1WzFaektMe8w+3P64Gk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=lQtRTbgC+xrr3/3SbO4JCHRTRs1v9EpaM9iW0dP8sr46FcrBNIAkhq7hDsGa3XCLI8 9nglawRk8tSEWA7+8cnAchh6Blb/Ww8QQ8sHRe2Bwi+EmMbtdwjjsGHh1gztwFmkNOCl JfD+MK8LNy2QdcYKTvtnoYrQAkoc+Ktov6Vu8= Received: by 10.103.2.14 with SMTP id e14mr36217mui.48.1227028420417; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:13:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.221.4 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:13:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:13:40 -0600 From: "Andrew Gould" To: "Jerry McAllister" In-Reply-To: <20081118164947.GF28439@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118154226.GA20147@ourbrains.org> <20081118165011.G84987@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118155448.GC20147@ourbrains.org> <20081118164947.GF28439@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Dan , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:13:43 -0000 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:54:48AM -0500, Dan wrote: > > > Wojciech Puchar(wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl)@2008.11.18 16:51:16 > +0100: > > >> > > >> Have you used, erm... Linux? Both Linux and FreeBSD run pretty much at > > >> hardware level. You benchmark either, you'll get very close results in > > > > > > for benchmarks doing same thing over and over, or same thing in > parallel > > > linux can even be better. > > > > > > but try running many different tasks in parallel under linux. FreeBSD > > > flies, while linux chokes. > > > > Can you point out some places on the web that confirm this? > > > > I can't point this out between Linux and FreeBSD, but back a few > years ago, when I was involved in benchmarking high performance > systems for purchase here, we found this to often be the case. > Some systems just screamed on certain very parallel tasks, but > practically came to a halt when a mix of tasks were run or even > when trying to edit a script while things were running. Others > were slightly less hot on the highly specialized tasks, but did > well - much better - on the mix. We chose the system that handled > the mix - which ran a BSD UNIX by the way, although a proprietary > version as did most back then. > > Anyway, so, even though I haven't compared FreeBSD and Linux, I am > not surprised to hear someone say there is this sort of difference. > It is possible. Someone might investigate further and put out > some verifiable numbers. > > ////jerry > I don't have verifiable numbers; but I can speak from personal experience. I do complex financial/clinical data analysis for hospitals. I was using MS Access as a front-end. On the server end, I started with Linux and PostgreSQL. I moved from Linux to FreeBSD because during my more complicated series of queries, the Linux system would slow to a crawl. Sometimes, the PostgreSQL server would die. This never happened with FreeBSD. I even added Samba services and a web forum for the department. >From 2000 to 2006, the only unplanned downtime experienced with my PostgreSQL/FreeBSD combo was due to 2 separate, prolonged power outages. When power was restored, the hardware and database servers came back online. Sadly, I no longer work there; and no longer have control over database assets. I read once that: "The difference between the lab and the real world is that, in the lab, there is no difference." I wish I had noted the source. Andrew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 17:24:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89089106564A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:24:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from en0f@bokey.mine.nu) Received: from mine.nu (60-242-68-238.static.tpgi.com.au [60.242.68.238]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 351738FC19 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:24:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from en0f@bokey.mine.nu) Received: from [192.168.1.110] (windows [192.168.1.110]) by mine.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 42CFDEB921 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:54:28 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <4922FA56.3040203@bokey.mine.nu> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:54:38 +1030 From: en0f User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: en0f@bokey.mine.nu List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:24:42 -0000 Guys, stephen jackson wrote: > I have read briefly on FreeBSD and it seems to be the winner on speed and > stability versus Linux and of course MS Windows. [ ... ] Can we play cool with each other? If someone likes/has to use Gnu/Linux over FreeBSD or for that matter any other operating system, maybe its their choice; If someone finds FreeBSD runs well compared to Gnu/Linux, could they just point to the right benchmark on the web or post their personal benchmark here and be done with it? :) My point being that we could all be doing something really productive right now instead of discussing about all these. Don't you guys think so? Relax fellas. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 17:40:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77F371065670 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:40:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan-freebsd-questions@ourbrains.org) Received: from ourbrains.org (li48-221.members.linode.com [66.246.76.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 114958FC19 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:40:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan-freebsd-questions@ourbrains.org) Received: (qmail 20589 invoked by uid 1000); 18 Nov 2008 17:40:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:40:28 -0500 From: Dan To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Dan Message-ID: <20081118174028.GF20147@ourbrains.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Dan References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118154226.GA20147@ourbrains.org> <20081118165011.G84987@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118155448.GC20147@ourbrains.org> <20081118164947.GF28439@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081118164947.GF28439@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:40:07 -0000 Jerry McAllister(jerrymc@msu.edu)@2008.11.18 11:49:47 -0500: > I can't point this out between Linux and FreeBSD, but back a few > years ago, when I was involved in benchmarking high performance Oh well, that was a few years ago... Even So, a few years ago Felix von Leitner did webserving benchmarks for both. Linux won, but FreeBSD was very close behind. http://bulk.fefe.de/scalability/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 18:12:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F1B1106564A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:12:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghartl@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E4B8FC18 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:12:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghartl@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so1275980ywe.13 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:12:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:cc:references :in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=wwFNabfaP6Zrp9/MvBfpwq7BYuE0ITcXIjrgS2itnT4=; b=Kaqimli1DK0XLGBcElEEDVYAjdVjJEZGIRhIvDl7WqbLyZaE+xzGAPQSjexbllrJnY Ohdy05mfp7ancfTQ/g+KtUNY9ZAtCQmfAJ+7QvrGwkMuVVIS49EKStkjt2P0YZsG25TJ RMkjbRL+UzZqVN7T1CiL+p9SkSZLnsx4+rpnw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; b=I1GSXufDuulkYeodTcYXmt6qeQdd4tWwdzxk5Pz0LE90yyT3vznZf0ELNnOi8o3XD8 AtAaV1Tz6V7IeVuILDvX8sciU0dCYvq+qOfDIFYT9DbXBj1i4S7nQnjaP9546aN+Lg1e q9qJ44uyDpvf5Xg7v+J1YNDFNNzpRKcjLgpvA= Received: by 10.65.53.19 with SMTP id f19mr160855qbk.31.1227031961174; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:12:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mainpc (d226-16-220.home.cgocable.net [24.226.16.220]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k7sm9202740qba.3.2008.11.18.10.12.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:12:39 -0800 (PST) From: "Gary Hartl" To: "'michael'" References: <000e01c94999$a7532dc0$f5f98940$@com> <4922ED9D.90509@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4922ED9D.90509@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:12:39 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c949a9$3e5fb490$bb1f1db0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclJmvFdRi+N1rTVRJWFVC6j9OAWYQADh7vA Content-Language: en-ca Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: RE: FreeBSD Media Center X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:12:43 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: michael [mailto:michael.copeland@gmail.com] Sent: November-18-08 11:30 AM To: Gary Hartl Subject: Re: FreeBSD Media Center Gary Hartl wrote: > Hi all; > > > > I have an old laptop (Dell Inspiron 7500), P3 550mhz, 256mb ram 20 gig hdd. > > > > I am wondering what the validity of putting FBSD on it running VLC or > something like that feeding to my tv. > > > > Anyone with any feedback on this. > > > > Or is there a FBSD Media Center project out either in alpha or beta? > > > > Thanks > > > > Gary > It will run. I'd put a bit more ram in, especially if the video card is lacking. I assume it has svideo out? or are you feeding with vga out? Yeah i'm going to be bumping it to 512mb which is the laptop max, I will be running vga out coupling to dvi on the tv. With a y audio cable from the sound card. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 18:51:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03B0106564A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:51:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr2.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr2.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA758FC16 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:51:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr2.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAIIplIH064740; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:51:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0DD60BA9E; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:51:47 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:51:47 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Andrew Gould Message-ID: <20081118185147.GB73692@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="s/l3CgOIzMHHjg/5" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] printing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:51:49 -0000 --s/l3CgOIzMHHjg/5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:49:44AM -0600, Andrew Gould wrote: > Time to buy a new printer. I don't print much from FreeBSD; but the need > occasionally arises. Most of my printing is done while using Mac OS X. = The > Epson Artisan 800 is looking awfully nice; but it's not in the Linux > printing database yet (http://openprinting.org/printer_list.cgi). >=20 > Question: Since Mac OS X uses CUPS, if I share the printer on the Mac, w= ill > I need to worry about FreeBSD compatibility of the printer? I only need > printing functions (not scan, etc) for the FreeBSD computer. I'm not sure that apple uses a non-modified CUPS. It is conceivable that they have incorporated extra (not open) drivers that aren't in the standard distribution. If you want to be safe, buy a printer that understands PostScript. That will work on FreeBSD (and all other UNIX variants). Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --s/l3CgOIzMHHjg/5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkjDsMACgkQEnfvsMMhpyVfYwCgj7E3z9zrvaKuKT6Axuxpyrbz NlUAnRg0u5CtfB8cVMG5o4osS/9R+6m5 =ygBY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --s/l3CgOIzMHHjg/5-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 18:51:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5815A106568E for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:51:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-32.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-32.bluehost.com [69.89.18.152]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 25CE28FC18 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:51:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 24428 invoked by uid 0); 18 Nov 2008 18:51:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 18:51:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=kxVQutMEEZiX62jmpc+srIR9THQnrAxNVputRIz1Xhd+ajmXlwIfWFBItbQd288g8TPmSDexco4tWo3KIfbtabXVTLuFmVZJ4VlQhWqcsjougEifeWKUvwbPxuEK4BSZ; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L2Vfy-0001S9-NR for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:51:51 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:52:01 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:52:01 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081118185201.GA4787@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <49227279.8040607@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081118122350.X84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <200811181251.07972.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SUOF0GtieIMvvwua" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200811181251.07972.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:51:53 -0000 --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:51:07PM +0100, Mel wrote: >=20 > Not anymore. They were when it was still IBM. Some in-depth discussion he= re: > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mobile/2008-July/010831.html Well, that's disappointing. My current laptop is a Thinkpad R52, from just after the sale to Lenovo but while production was still going on in IBM facilities here in the States. It's a great piece of equipment and, aside from the fact that I made the mistake of getting the model with an ATI graphics adapter rather than an Intel adapter, it has perfectly suited my needs. I've been a long-time fan of Thinkpads, and I haven't found another laptop I like nearly as much. Even the feel of the keyboard is better than that of any other line of laptops I've encountered. I wondered if there might be dropping production value issues when the PC division of IBM was sold off to Lenovo. I'm pretty disappointed to discover that was probably the case. Another R52 purchased for my significant other, a year after acquiring this laptop, has seemed to be exactly as good as this one, with one exception: while the keyboard feel is still better than that of any non-Thinkpad I've ever encountered, it feels just slightly more flimsy and cheap than this Thinkpad's keyboard. I'm pretty sure that second R52 was manufactured in a Lenovo facility that was *not* inherited from IBM, and I wonder if that might be why the keyboard has that different feel. >=20 > And of course, there's: > http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html I just spoke to a representative from iXsystems about the Invincibook. It sound very promising. My only complaint so far (having not had a chance to check out how the keyboard feels, how heavy it is, how hot it gets during operation, and so on) is that it's only planned to provide a touchpad as an integrated pointing device. One of the surprising benefits of Thinkpads over the years has been the trackpoint, in part because I don't have to break contact between my thumbs and the spacebar when using the pointing device (I'm a Vim user), and in part because with touchpads the heels of my hands occasionally brush across the thing causing "interesting" problems with mouse pointer behavior while I'm typing. I'm also not too keen on the relative lack of mouse cursor precision with a touchpad. If it's all it promises to be, though, the Invincibook will probably be worth the sacrifice of the trackpoint, especially considering the apparent drop in production quality for Thinkpads. In the conversation with the iXsystems representative, by the way, I was told that the major holdup at the moment for Invincibooks going into production is ACPI support -- of course. I'm not terribly surprised, since ACPI seems to *always* be the bugbear of laptop support. I'm pretty keen on the idea of finally having a laptop that can suspend to RAM and, even more importantly for my purposes, to disk. I'm willing to wait until they get that part right, because "hibernation" is kind of a "killer feature" for me -- or would be, if someone would finally get it right. I suppose one could say that it works just fine on my Thinkpad, with the caveat that it fails to come back from suspension to either RAM or disk, but that kinda defeats the purpose. Anyway . . . I started out with my two cents on the matter, and ended up rambling about a bunch of tangential nonsense. I think that means it's time to close up this email. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] print substr('Just another Perl hacker', 0, -2); --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkjDtEACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWfBACfbyvC4uk3mVSEzWZbIeXp5Gvw bLgAoPCpsS4riQ+Vk1p2jr34ODhQnz28 =5/3+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 18:50:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088E31065670 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:50:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dhorn2000@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF0E68FC1A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:50:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dhorn2000@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1286553yxb.13 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:50:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=fRefKZGi8EFLA3M2wUuZEmKsgWHTBXXSawArjsnvqg4=; b=EzI4cMmiWMssbkkDf3WJvP+0JhbyUSpMfUy/pGILGarPGJYyoYt83Jc618C5hI8eL8 K9erL/Im7jJ/fTwDcKgueqlXhK6ymgFZ/TKNW/+m2et2vXVcU+sLCEN7SVqpp9ahvxfd srjfYah9Vgn1Cq9VvwK8s53tAP401aeI15M/0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=xRaoup50JPqX15htRZ4fQ4NnwK0nzl2RVADFLzaC78ky0z8UtN/8vGq/nGMGv5VeDE wF9X6AAPs0l7SRea178OQOVDcBgS0PjPm4r3o5VtAr4aNwB2pAishpO4CXH6Olqki/kL xJsKBX+3tN8O3wgSY8nx2bBNNB7ptScUGK6HQ= Received: by 10.150.219.16 with SMTP id r16mr479235ybg.20.1227034251947; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:50:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.144.19 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:50:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <25ff90d60811181050w48d78914m5911bc1c04f4552@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:50:51 -0500 From: "David Horn" To: "Derek Ragona" In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20081118055913.026155c0@mail.computinginnovations.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6.0.0.22.2.20081117193403.025dfa50@mail.computinginnovations.com> <25ff90d60811172223t226714aq6e8202b19a2c8bfb@mail.gmail.com> <6.0.0.22.2.20081118055913.026155c0@mail.computinginnovations.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:55:02 +0000 Cc: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: smbfs 2 GB file size limit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:50:53 -0000 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 7:06 AM, Derek Ragona wrote: > At 12:23 AM 11/18/2008, David Horn wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Derek Ragona > wrote: >> I have FreeBSD 7.0 Release and if I mount_smbfs a network NTFS share I >> have >> a 2 GB size limit on files. I checked the handbook and list archives but >> have not found a solution. > > I just ran a quick test, and was not able to reproduce this issue with > the mount_smbfs from FreeBSD 7.0. I tried against a Windows 2003 > Server SP2, Windows XP SP3, and Samba 3.0 {on FreeBSD 7} with a 3.5GB > file. > > Was your issue with reading from or writing to a SMB share ? > > It was writing to a smb share. > > > What is the server software and OS version ? > (if Microsoft Windows, please include Service Pack number as well, as > it might make a difference) > > Windows 2003 server 32bit. > > How much disk space is left on your server volume ? > > Over a terabyte free > > Are there disk quotas enabled on the server ? > > None > > What error message are you getting from your FreeBSD client (if any) ? > > No error message, it just stopped writing at 1 Gb. I was doing this using > scp. Whoa, hopefully you just made a few typos here, or we are going down the wrong path of investigation. Did you really mean to say scp or cp ? scp(1) - secure copy (remote file copy program) cp(1) - copy files If you really meant scp, then the problem is not mount_smbfs, but instead likely a buggy scp client or server (which does not use smb for transport, but ssh) What is the exact byte count that your write stops at ? You originally stated 2GB, then 1GB. > > Can you check the smb server logs and see if you are getting any error > messages there ? > > Well I'm just mounting the volume to FreeBSD from the Windows server so not > sure I'll find much in the logs besides the system log, but I will look. > > You may want to get a Wireshark trace and see if you can capture the > SMB error message/error code. > > I have heard of people running into similar problems when running > against older server software (NT 4.0/old samba) when the SMB session > did not negotiate large file/large write support (a function of the > SMB server capabilities session negotiation) > > I saw posts to that effect and that you needed samba 3.x to support large > files sizes, and the lfs option. But the mount_smbfs doesn't offer any > large file option. > Only bother with this next bit if you are morbidly curious as to how things work rather than just want to solve your problem, as it gets into the nitty gritty details of smb: mount_smbfs will allow for lfs (CAP_LARGE_FILE) automatically by specifying it's dialect capabilities in the smb negotiation. If you umount your smb share, then start a tcpdump you can capture the smb negotiation "Capabilities" bitmask to see if CAP_LARGE_FILE is being negotiated - the server specifies this capability. The client just sends the dialects of smb supported. For example: tcpdump -vvv -s 1500 -i em0 host server.example.com | grep Capabilities { where em0 is the network interface in use on FreeBSD and server.example.com is the hostname/ip address of your smb server } Then do a mount of the smb share (while tcpdump is running) and you should capture the Capabilities negotiated. For example: Capabilities=0x1F3FD If you decode the bitmask by using this reference : http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa302230.aspx {hint: only look at the last four bytes of the Capabilities line (e.g. F3FD in my example)} Or if you have kernel source installed, you can look in /usr/src/sys/netsmb/smb.h for the details. - Capabilities: 0x0001F3FD RawMode: (...............................1) Supports SMB_COM_READ_RAW and SMB_COM_WRITE_RAW (CAP_RAW_MODE) MpxMode: (..............................0.) No Support for SMB_COM_READ_MPX or SMB_COM_WRITE_MPX (CAP_MPX_MODE) Unicode: (.............................1..) Supports Unicode Strings (CAP_UNICODE) LargeFiles: (............................1...) Supports large files with 64-bit offsets (CAP_LARGE_FILES) NTSMBs: (...........................1....) Supports SMB NTLM 0.12 dialect commands (implies CAP_NT_FIND) (CAP_NT_SMBS) RPCRemoteAPIs: (..........................1.....) Supports remote API requests using RPC over named pipe connections (CAP_RPC_REMOTE_APIS) NTStatus: (.........................1......) Can respond with 32-bit NT status codes in Status (CAP_NT_STATUS) LevelIIOplocks: (........................1.......) Supports Level II oplocks ( CAP_LEVEL_II_OPLOCKS) LockAndRead: (.......................1........) Supports SMB_COM_LOCK_AND_READ and SMB_COM_WRITE_AND_UNLOCK (CAP_LOCK_AND_READ) NtFind: (......................1.........) Supports Windows NT information level requests (SMB_QUERY_?, SMB_SET_?) (CAP_NT_FIND) Reserved_bits10_11: (....................00..........) Reserved Dfs: (...................1............) This server is Distributed File System (Dfs) aware (via TRANS2_GET_DFS_REFERRAL) (CAP_DFS) InfolevelPassthru: (..................1.............) Supports Windows NT information level pass-through requests [SMB_INFO_PASSTHROUGH] (CAP_INFOLEVEL_PASSTHRU) LargeReadx: (.................1..............) Supports large read operations (CAP_LARGE_READX) LargeWritex: (................1...............) Supports large write operations (CAP_LARGE_WRITEX) Lwio: (...............1................) Reserved > >> Supposedly there is an smbmount as part of the >> standard samba, but that doesn't seem to install from any of the samba >> ports. > > smbmount is not included in the FreeBSD port of samba, as it is Linux > kernel specific. mount_smbfs(8) is the correct userland app. > > You could always try the samba smbclient(1) to access SMB shares using > an FTP-like environment. > > I saw that as an option. I may try that to test this issue. > > >> >> Any help would be appreciated. > > Sorry I do not have a good solution for you. Perhaps someone else > will give you better advice. > > Thanks for the help! > > -Derek > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 19:13:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26CB2106564A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:13:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tfcheng@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B8E8FC16 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:13:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tfcheng@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1291980yxb.13 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:13:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=RuztIBZlJt7s34MA1QH4W3cH1LoGD4Cf0toBdXo/kq4=; b=SVuT6P+bQusZEu2htVSyDgElv74RRKOAW1y2P2ZeDQN2l16gyuvCOjfZVvlOOIChqg vomRb+AnKuUBpT2NgFlNLiU3izb537Tu9FLrk8JhdYjd96MyYHZPhzah5fFk2bRaMAXA E8IGrzxHrvkIDN3P4QdLsowrJ13K1Eq4K8BBQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=vfCMf+bSTAZuQCQJLulCITDdFRIcCZfjp0mlJSiozffKjOWEamwcQ/2n/Mxf0f1ulJ RJ7wQ4UhqO1Bq1DIF4DaXSN6NV+iPuLR3hD2wjQiahJTCq6QRRb9Q0aMMTp9jAs4gOJK QzimuPYsiFXWZWg8QkTHQL2xLAlVmKhf5RjdU= Received: by 10.142.72.21 with SMTP id u21mr80517wfa.195.1227035604675; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:13:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.143.20 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:13:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:13:24 -0500 From: "Tsu-Fan Cheng" To: FreeBSD , freebsd-java@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: porting jdownloader to freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:13:26 -0000 Hi, does anyone port Jdownloader (java app) to freebsd yet?? thanks!! TFC From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 19:13:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A015106564A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:13:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-102.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-102.bluehost.com [69.89.22.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 09F348FC14 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:13:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 22383 invoked by uid 0); 18 Nov 2008 19:13:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 19:13:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=C2pucawffR5K79sYt4iPxUNs64or5xe2hhp/IdT0hnoozz7EoPgidJ+kkd/ne1T0220nQijZbsrG6X7KdwlKub89WxDXLY7/ZBTYPqxinFarwECgLPcaHRwRUD4JV3WX; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L2W0t-0000L3-EG for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:13:27 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:13:38 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:13:38 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081118191338.GB4787@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="nVMJ2NtxeReIH9PS" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:13:30 -0000 --nVMJ2NtxeReIH9PS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:23:24PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >I have read briefly on FreeBSD and it seems to be the winner on speed and > >stability versus Linux and of course MS Windows. >=20 > versus linux - of course, versus windows - it's different OS, we should= =20 > define how do you compare. for example running windows apps under FreeBSD= =20 > with wine will probably be slower than under windows. This is not as constant a truism as one might think. I haven't run much software in Wine, but what I have has performed comparably with how it did on MS Windows, for the most part. The one case where I could even detect a difference in performance was with World of Warcraft -- and it performed much better under Wine than on MS Windows, even on the same machine. >=20 > >Anyway, how about you plus Google cash, and others (?), putting a simple > >easy partition of MS hard disks and FreeBSD install with a nice GUI. And > >getting Google to distribute it to the World. My question is, how much >=20 > once again i repeat - FreeBSD is not windows replacement. it's unix. > All "nice GUI" for unices turned to be bad idea, every windows user will= =20 > say it's poor compared to windows. and they are right. Poppycock. There are several "desktop environments" for Unix-like systems that compare well with MS Windows and Apple MacOS X for matters of glitz and glamour, even giving a far more confection-laden "user friendly" appeal overall than the proprietary competition, as I've pointed out before: http://sob.apotheon.org/?p=3D335 In fact, I seem to recall responding to *you* in particular about this subject on this mailing list before: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2008-June/176889.html >=20 > it will be very nice if someone/some company produce true windows=20 > compatible OS, running windows programs, windows installers, but being=20 > much better and faster. Why the hell would I want "windows installers"? The Microsoft model of software installation is antiquated, inefficient, restrictive, and difficult to manage. While I'm at it, I'd miss more of the software available on FreeBSD if I switched to MS Windows than I do of MS Windows software when I'm on FreeBSD. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Niccolo Machiavelli: "It is a common failing of man not to take account of tempests during fair weather." --nVMJ2NtxeReIH9PS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkjE+IACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWQ/wCg3kVxYxUOLBU7xl04VltVYBYH 7ccAoLNsp97s30j4IL4ktCRN65s0DFGO =5Xwt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nVMJ2NtxeReIH9PS-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 19:20:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F6C01065672 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:20:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C98288FC17 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:20:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIJJtwm085662; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:19:55 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAIJJtGL085659; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:19:55 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:19:55 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20081118191338.GB4787@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: <20081118201748.G85658@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118191338.GB4787@kokopelli.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:20:11 -0000 >> versus linux - of course, versus windows - it's different OS, we should >> define how do you compare. for example running windows apps under FreeBSD >> with wine will probably be slower than under windows. > > This is not as constant a truism as one might think. I haven't run much > software in Wine, but what I have has performed comparably with how it > did on MS Windows, for the most part. The one case where I could even very possible. i'm even sure it could work better when good filesystem I/O and VM performance is required. but it may work slower in many cases. i used wine to run demoscene prods - usually it works slower than in windows. >> compatible OS, running windows programs, windows installers, but being >> much better and faster. > > Why the hell would I want "windows installers"? The Microsoft model of to be able to just put say - M$ Office or Corel Draw or whatever CD , click install and get installed From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 19:21:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 862321065675 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:21:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2A2F8FC26 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:21:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIJLUuq085675; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:21:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAIJLTmx085672; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:21:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:21:29 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Dan In-Reply-To: <20081118155448.GC20147@ourbrains.org> Message-ID: <20081118202056.K85658@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118154226.GA20147@ourbrains.org> <20081118165011.G84987@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118155448.GC20147@ourbrains.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:21:37 -0000 > > Can you point out some places on the web that confirm this? no. for me it's important that i confirmed this. that's why i'm far away from using linux anywhere. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 19:23:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C32981065677 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:23:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3F638FC08 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:23:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIJMvDi085688; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:22:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAIJMuM6085685; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:22:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:22:56 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jerry McAllister In-Reply-To: <20081118160808.GC28439@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Message-ID: <20081118202205.W85658@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118123147.GA96005@ei.bzerk.org> <94136a2c0811180444n51cae14bg70654bc7b93445f8@mail.gmail.com> <20081118141648.M84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118160808.GC28439@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Zbigniew Szalbot , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:23:04 -0000 > > Time to forget this. It is a semantic and religious battle > playing hair splitting games with words. It is not a MS clone > but it is an MS replacement. If you overwrite your MS-Win with > FreeBSD, it completely replaces it. and you get something completely different. FORTUNATELY different. but - if millions of now-windows users starts switching to FreeBSD, it will quickly become more and more similar. as linux did. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 19:23:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA809106567A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:23:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A9138FC1C for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:23:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: (qmail 5837 invoked by uid 0); 18 Nov 2008 19:23:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Grumpy.DynDNS.org) (75.76.211.79) by smtp8.knology.net with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 19:23:20 -0000 Received: by Grumpy.DynDNS.org (Postfix, from userid 928) id 0EF2628429; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:23:20 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:23:20 -0600 From: David Kelly To: Roland Smith Message-ID: <20081118192320.GB16944@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <20081118185147.GB73692@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081118185147.GB73692@slackbox.xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Andrew Gould , FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] printing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:23:22 -0000 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 07:51:47PM +0100, Roland Smith wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:49:44AM -0600, Andrew Gould wrote: > > Time to buy a new printer. I don't print much from FreeBSD; but the > > need occasionally arises. Most of my printing is done while using > > Mac OS X. The Epson Artisan 800 is looking awfully nice; but it's > > not in the Linux printing database yet > > (http://openprinting.org/printer_list.cgi). > > > > Question: Since Mac OS X uses CUPS, if I share the printer on the > > Mac, will I need to worry about FreeBSD compatibility of the > > printer? I only need printing functions (not scan, etc) for the > > FreeBSD computer. > > I'm not sure that apple uses a non-modified CUPS. It is conceivable > that they have incorporated extra (not open) drivers that aren't in > the standard distribution. MacOS X will share a printer with Windows. I don't know how the driver thing is negotiated. The Mac may happily accept Postscript and then do whatever is needed to print. > If you want to be safe, buy a printer that understands PostScript. > That will work on FreeBSD (and all other UNIX variants). Sounds like the OP is looking for color. If B&W is enough my favorite inexpensive printer is the Brother HL-5250DN. Speaks Postscript-clone, PCL-5 and PCL-6. Direct network connection so each computer speaks directly to the printer. Duplex. About 25 ppm. Third party toner reloads cost about $25 for 5,000 pages. The printer sells for $150 to $250 depending on sales and whether you can find a refurbished unit. Years ago I had access to an HP 5000N that would print photo quality matte (not glossy) B&W on plain paper. Not quite sure what it is about the Brother (or printer drivers because this was pre-MacOS X) but I enjoyed wonderful cheap B&W prints off the HP but the Brother isn't nearly as good. Text and line graphics are excellent. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 19:23:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50FF31065677 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:23:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-102.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-102.bluehost.com [69.89.22.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1BBAB8FC0C for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:23:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 7051 invoked by uid 0); 18 Nov 2008 19:23:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 19:23:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=Pu1JkZV58Vu3Rg8eVwaGqJLYMm2uq2XaclnFtrsG0TrKq0/JrmO1gmi2bJK63ww/Tr2C9gXkPuf5MPfIr4ERf5eK8H+VOPzEEbBcWc0TIDWruIV/D3nKvIHLtn4dyq/j; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L2WAn-0003V4-Rd for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:23:42 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:23:53 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:23:53 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081118192353.GC4787@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118123147.GA96005@ei.bzerk.org> <94136a2c0811180444n51cae14bg70654bc7b93445f8@mail.gmail.com> <20081118141648.M84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="f0KYrhQ4vYSV2aJu" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081118141648.M84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:23:45 -0000 --f0KYrhQ4vYSV2aJu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 02:18:13PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >=20 > >By constantly repeating that UNIX is no Windows replacement you are >=20 > and i will repeat it because it's true. it's every other unix replacement. It did a quite admirable job of replacing MS Windows for me. I don't know why you're so down on it. >=20 > as linux tries for many years to be windows replacement - it's both low= =20 > end unix and low end windows replacement, "windows for poor". Replacing MS Windows is not the same as becoming MS Windows. Ubuntu has been pursuing the specter of MS Windows feature parity for a while, and as a result has become something I have no interest in touching. Meanwhile, PC-BSD has been pursuing the goal of *replacing* MS Windows, which is not at all the same thing as *becoming* MS Windows, and it seems to be doing a great job of that without adopting MS Windows' flaws. The only limitation on the quality of PC-BSD, in my experience, seems to be KDE, but I've long since given up caring about the default GUI facade on open source OSes, since they *all* use KDE or GNOME (except a rare few that use XFCE by default, when they want something "light"). KDE and GNOME (and even XFCE) are frighteningly bloated user environments that seem lightweight only in comparison with the even more awfully huge and lumbering GUIs of MS Windows and Apple MacOS X -- so I just take it as a given that every OS in the world uses something bloated and cumbersome for its GUI, and resolve to either not install the GUI (if that's an option) or uninstall the GUI after the system is installed, then install something different in its place. In other words, there's basically no escaping the problems inherent in something like KDE, GNOME, or even XFCE if you go with default GUI setup -- but aside from that, PC-BSD is doing an excellent job of becoming the definitive MS Windows replacement OS without adopting MS Windows problems. =2E . . and, as I said, FreeBSD is a great MS Windows replacement for me. I don't miss MS Windows *at all* when I'm using FreeBSD on my laptop every single day. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Larry Wall: "What is the sound of Perl? Is it not the sound of a wall that people have stopped banging their heads against?" --f0KYrhQ4vYSV2aJu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkjFkkACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXFxgCgpn6+Dzac2rxnf0q/ksV1C23L XqAAn3uQMiticIeks/NWxWSOYv5QKSUP =TfPk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --f0KYrhQ4vYSV2aJu-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 19:26:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44261065670 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:26:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20E7C8FC19 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:26:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIJQafa085713; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:26:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAIJQaf0085710; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:26:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:26:36 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Zbigniew Szalbot In-Reply-To: <94136a2c0811180819ld92d0c1sc577dc5cfc715081@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081118202334.A85658@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118123147.GA96005@ei.bzerk.org> <94136a2c0811180444n51cae14bg70654bc7b93445f8@mail.gmail.com> <20081118141648.M84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118160808.GC28439@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <94136a2c0811180819ld92d0c1sc577dc5cfc715081@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:26:44 -0000 >> are happy to find that to be true. Give them a hand rather than >> a kick in the face. > > Amen to that! This is something I am also asking for. Wojciech you > often help others here. Let's keep it this way. Please?! i will do exactly what i'm doing now. no more no less. helping those who ask questions that make sense, and i know the answer (or think i know). And fixing bad statements and bad ideas. like the idea of "replacing" windows with unix without first learning unix from basics. And the idea that having as much FreeBSD users as possible is a good thing. it is not. unless FreeBSD will change to commercial product that will be sold, then yes - get as much users as possible. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 19:29:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC408106564A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:29:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5E28FC0A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:29:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAIJTTsO085728; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:29:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAIJTRT6085725; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:29:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:29:27 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jerry McAllister In-Reply-To: <20081118163419.GD28439@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Message-ID: <20081118202647.D85658@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118123147.GA96005@ei.bzerk.org> <94136a2c0811180444n51cae14bg70654bc7b93445f8@mail.gmail.com> <20081118141648.M84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118154009.2e3be393.usselmann.m@icg-online.de> <20081118154446.H84809@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118163419.GD28439@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Zbigniew Szalbot , Manfred Usselmann , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:29:36 -0000 >> so why it have a much smaller market share? > > Because MS wrote restrictive contracts with companies trying to > sell PCs saying that if they wanted to put MS on any of their Apple produces it's own computers. Actually a branded PCs now. what a problem? the problem is that Apple works the same way as Commodore 20-15 years ago. Trying to get prices as high as possible, instead of looking in future. Exactly what apple do now - selling ordinary PC (just more stylish cases) 2-3 times more expensive. if Apple computers would be similarly prices or slightly higher, then they could really compete. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 19:37:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14515106564A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:37:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-159.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-159.bluehost.com [67.222.39.39]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D7AB58FC12 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:37:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 22217 invoked by uid 0); 18 Nov 2008 19:37:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy5.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 19:37:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=ASxSPv5WC5Mah/S5LqP7Mg+8L2qP62+NSNxMgIZon/EgtLcVJezAYZkO3V2VZdd9BQa//d35lu8gT9e/5t8SIprI9sbXGeVQ5jsnh+vLH9Yp8oSOdDy8GdHCms5OuB0t; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L2WNq-0007yI-Bx for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:37:10 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:37:21 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:37:21 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081118193721.GD4787@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118123147.GA96005@ei.bzerk.org> <94136a2c0811180444n51cae14bg70654bc7b93445f8@mail.gmail.com> <20081118141648.M84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118154009.2e3be393.usselmann.m@icg-online.de> <20081118151048.GA60507@icarus.home.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/3yNEOqWowh/8j+e" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081118151048.GA60507@icarus.home.lan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:37:13 -0000 --/3yNEOqWowh/8j+e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 07:10:48AM -0800, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 03:40:09PM +0100, Manfred Usselmann wrote: >=20 > I have a lot of reasons for loathing X. A *lot*. I've spent a lot of > time (and even money; anyone remember AccelX back in the 90s? Yep, I > bought it) trying to adapt over the years, and I cannot. I'm not going > to provide details because it'll just induce more parking lot burn-outs > and that's not what I want. I loathe Firefox. I find it incredibly annoying, bloated, cumbersome, and otherwise sucky. Unfortunately, the disadvantages of every other Web browser I've encountered are *worse* (though Chromium shows promise, if it ever gets ported to BSD Unix systems), so I keep using Firefox as my primary browser. The same applies to the X Window System. It sucks. It is laden with various and sundry big problems; annoyances and poor design decisions litter the X Window System. The drawbacks of Luna, Aqua, and Aero are all even worse than those of the X Window System, though, so I still with X. >=20 > Comparatively: I have co-workers who love X and KDE, and hate Windows -- > and I have co-workers who absolutely love OS X's GUI, and hate X and > Windows. (In fact, the few OS X users I know get quite irate when they > find some OS X program actually relies on X11). I'd be annoyed by that, too. Software that is ported to other systems should not drag along baggage like assumed reliance on other software particular to the source system. I get similarly irate at discovering I've discovered an application that depends on a metric crapload of KDE or GNOME libraries. I don't think getting irate over software relying on software that you otherwise don't have on your system, and that does not provide functionality actually important to the operation of the software you actually want, is really much of an indicator of how individualized GUI taste can be. >=20 > The only time I curse Windows is when CMD.EXE or command-line utilities > come into play. Anyone who's used *IX will know what I mean by this. > PowerShell/Monad is a joke, Cygwin is an atrocity, 4NT/4DOS is too > quirky, and *IX application ports often have too many bugs (either not > handling NTFS filenames correctly (resorting to 8.3 format), or having > filesize limitations due to the porter doing it wrong; 2GB limits are > found in common programs including Win32 wget). I'm curious -- what exactly do you dislike about PowerShell? This is the first time I've really heard such a complaint about it. >=20 > Every operating system/GUI/environment has its share of quirks. It just > depends on which ones you can tolerate. I can tolerate some of Windows' > quirks (sans "focus stealing", although I'm told KDE applicationg are > starting down this road too), but cannot with X or OS X. I suppose it's > because I've a mental stigma; I associate *IX and UNIX with servers, and > I likely always will. *IX/UNIX on the desktop is a crazy idea to me. This is in line with my experience of people who prefer the MS Windows interface over that of the X Window System -- their preference is usually dominated by matters of familiarity. I'm kind of the opposite type of person in that regard: I regularly try something new, because I'm always looking for a better way to do things. >=20 > That's all I have to say on the matter; I won't reply here on out. That's a bummer. I'd like to know your thoughts on some of my above commentary -- particularly on the subject of PowerShell. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] A: It reverses the normal flow of conversation. Q: What's wrong with top-posting? --/3yNEOqWowh/8j+e Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkjGXEACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKU3awCeK1oMDCtit8etnM+pFb+Wv+8E zB8AoJscETfGHHPy93K1p0Oa63HFKrc7 =XMZ2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --/3yNEOqWowh/8j+e-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 19:37:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B8341065672 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:37:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1794E8FC22 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:37:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 30so307231ugs.39 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:37:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YcIFRd9lxy+i52J6gyzofkcmbwDl4SEYgXpl9gKTMvY=; b=TD6LOEZJ7D2MIrJ0/8bjw9HSeOgWn41EaouyT04mJDrMjcE/UfaFq6C8xfnJlguOUN hG6t9Zar+zlHiukV52BZs6iWJmn28Cfx8TqBcnyK79qF87umdmsKfe5TrS6Ub4GwYvtg FhUFGrEmJnHOcjVI1QY7w/zcZ9ZZCDVc3CYAs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Vux3LodC/XOXEY38u2k05fp5AvA1iI9QiwmH085TOOdYW4EukgcLdlhyqf6pGbg7w/ pYaGnmP1mf3JmDs1DMDXxenjuvR7stfEG3HoDobDOhObwZoDzOfyIcwgOJiStIO4FzBT 6NXYMHQRlvF9JQ1O1F53RenWNiFNTvAp7DmaA= Received: by 10.67.97.3 with SMTP id z3mr2406033ugl.37.1227037071984; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:37:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from atlantis.dyndns.org (athedsl-4438580.home.otenet.gr [79.129.170.36]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 18sm7284140ugk.47.2008.11.18.11.37.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:37:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4923198B.9010908@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:37:47 +0200 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081011) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118123147.GA96005@ei.bzerk.org> <94136a2c0811180444n51cae14bg70654bc7b93445f8@mail.gmail.com> <20081118141648.M84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118192353.GC4787@kokopelli.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20081118192353.GC4787@kokopelli.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:37:53 -0000 Chad Perrin wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 02:18:13PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>> By constantly repeating that UNIX is no Windows replacement you are >>> >> and i will repeat it because it's true. it's every other unix replacement. >> > > It did a quite admirable job of replacing MS Windows for me. I don't > know why you're so down on it. > > > >> as linux tries for many years to be windows replacement - it's both low >> end unix and low end windows replacement, "windows for poor". >> > > > > . . . and, as I said, FreeBSD is a great MS Windows replacement for me. > I don't miss MS Windows *at all* when I'm using FreeBSD on my laptop > every single day. > > (Responding to random post) Could we please *close* this discussion now? This is simply a waste of the list resources, people will always have ideas on why an OS is better or worse than another. If the original poster wanted to know something about all this, he would have probably commented by now. Has it come to anyone's mind that the original post was probably a simple act of trolling? (and someone is now amused by all this?) In the end, when someone is presented with the facts and can have a hands on experience with a system (and it won't cost him a dime to do so), he can decide whether he wants to use it, whether it can replace his current system and whether he is willing to climb the steep learning curve. Let's give people choice, we don't need to force this or any other OS down anyone's throat. Let's just help whoever comes in here - Some will appreciate FreeBSD *and* the community and will stay. And it will be there choice. Just my 2c Over and out ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 19:43:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53DF71065686 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:43:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-131.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-131.bluehost.com [67.222.39.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F97B8FC0C for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:43:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 15394 invoked by uid 0); 18 Nov 2008 19:43:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 19:43:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=cYrqO2h8F3IzbPO8sbeBgrucQxnC6gcdfpeIUfrCLBz6AjWZQCE0evIRS87jv5Fo0cYQcAdjIE7VZMB8sqbK7mFJ6+SB6RCkRnhQourcOxrl24MAskUvoxSbsVGzsOKI; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L2WTk-0001is-TB for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:43:17 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:43:28 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:43:28 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081118194328.GE4787@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118154226.GA20147@ourbrains.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="uCPdOCrL+PnN2Vxy" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081118154226.GA20147@ourbrains.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:43:20 -0000 --uCPdOCrL+PnN2Vxy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:42:26AM -0500, Dan wrote: > Wojciech Puchar(wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl)@2008.11.18 12:23:24 +0100: > > FreeBSD is very good in hardware support now, with most of drivers bein= g =20 > > very stable and high performance. > > > > for now there is no such thing, except ReactOS which is in early alpha = =20 > > state. >=20 > Have you used, erm... Linux? Both Linux and FreeBSD run pretty much at > hardware level. You benchmark either, you'll get very close results in > speed and scalability. Both are well optimized. >=20 > Unix is for servers, Windoze/OSX is for clients. They're much better > clients than Unix. Cut and paste still doesn't work well in Unix GUIs. > Think about that. Uh . . . what? I'll try pasting something: Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Yep, works great. In fact, I *love* that middle-click paste thing, and on the rare occasion that I find myself sitting down in front of an MS Windows machine, I find myself quickly lamenting the existence of middle-click pasting, and start wondering why MS Windows is such a primitive excuse for a "desktop" operating system. I don't know where you get the idea that MS Windows is so good at being a "client" and FreeBSD is so bad at it. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Mike Maples, as quoted by James Gleick: "My job is to get a fair share of the software applications market, and to me that's 100 percent." --uCPdOCrL+PnN2Vxy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkjGuAACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVcCQCgpypcZsoVdD+dsiz5i1x/X2Sv 7CkAn0juutXDoraEOaqo5LDee8EFCw3l =4cyr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --uCPdOCrL+PnN2Vxy-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 19:46:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F532106567A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:46:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-32.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-32.bluehost.com [69.89.18.152]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 482548FC19 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:46:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 9224 invoked by uid 0); 18 Nov 2008 19:46:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 19:46:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=VsyqrjQ6OkTbrrzd8i76Lqb5X9C+obE4Dp7q4W8KTPq9NjLzRbUEtqGZYtIdAVvVQhko5FzcLGIbVbuj2jYBLSrCRINucX97IIRh8TrSITk5Kan9FuW6HIWnVfqMOVHL; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L2WWY-0002ie-1u for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:46:10 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:46:21 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:46:21 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081118194621.GF4787@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118154226.GA20147@ourbrains.org> <20081118165011.G84987@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118155448.GC20147@ourbrains.org> <20081118164947.GF28439@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xaMk4Io5JJdpkLEb" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:46:12 -0000 --xaMk4Io5JJdpkLEb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:13:40AM -0600, Andrew Gould wrote: >=20 > I read once that: "The difference between the lab and the real world is > that, in the lab, there is no difference." I wish I had noted the source. The way I'd heard that sentiment was slightly different: "In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they aren't." =2E . . or something to that effect. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Larry Wall: "A script is what you give the actors. A program is what you give the audience." --xaMk4Io5JJdpkLEb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkjG40ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUHUgCg9B9mxtGkiOLziQ7Zx2EDNLUa +i0AoKZ1GiUI5bb9fHLqSSBBzHWzfpGa =uJfX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xaMk4Io5JJdpkLEb-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 19:53:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 825631065712 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:53:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A02F8FC08 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:53:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 18 Nov 2008 14:53:02 -0500 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id PGF41762; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:53:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.188]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 18 Nov 2008 14:52:58 -0500 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18723.7448.162051.610048@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:52:56 -0500 To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20081118194621.GF4787@kokopelli.hydra> References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118154226.GA20147@ourbrains.org> <20081118165011.G84987@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118155448.GC20147@ourbrains.org> <20081118164947.GF28439@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081118194621.GF4787@kokopelli.hydra> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:53:03 -0000 Chad Perrin writes: > > I read once that: "The difference between the lab and the real > > world is that, in the lab, there is no difference." I wish I > > had noted the source. > > The way I'd heard that sentiment was slightly different: > > "In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they > aren't." > > . . . or something to that effect. "The difference between theory and practice, in theory, is much smaller than the difference between theory and practice, in practice." Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 19:53:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7768C1065670 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:53:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-160.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-160.bluehost.com [67.222.39.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 42AFA8FC08 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:53:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 23102 invoked by uid 0); 18 Nov 2008 19:53:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy5.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 19:53:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=hUxRYc2kHcYh+VBsmeWRkL/SN6w27a4PPjWeteF1PLH9+Z6SuKnxOxjK/lUXyUJafUbmYkA6KsteIZhxbhpPnUoSSpnXKG0wUrssRrWv9v1xcGLsNfYvIbw8zzT78Svf; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L2WdQ-00054I-Jy for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:53:16 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:53:27 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:53:27 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Message-ID: <20081118195327.GG4787@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xjyYRNSh/RebjC6o" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: [OT] printing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:53:19 -0000 --xjyYRNSh/RebjC6o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:49:44AM -0600, Andrew Gould wrote: > Time to buy a new printer. I don't print much from FreeBSD; but the need > occasionally arises. Most of my printing is done while using Mac OS X. = The > Epson Artisan 800 is looking awfully nice; but it's not in the Linux > printing database yet (http://openprinting.org/printer_list.cgi). >=20 > Question: Since Mac OS X uses CUPS, if I share the printer on the Mac, w= ill > I need to worry about FreeBSD compatibility of the printer? I only need > printing functions (not scan, etc) for the FreeBSD computer. Your best bet for printer compatibility is to ensure that it's available as a network device rather than having to connect to it directly, and that it's a Postscript printer. If you want to get a printer and connect it directly to your Mac, and you're sure it'll work with your Mac, then you should be able to share it with the rest of the network without problems -- as long as it's a Postscript printer. If it isn't, you may have to do some digging to determine whether other computers on the network will be able to use the shared printer at all, including FreeBSD systems. Alas, I know basically nothing about the Epson Artisan 800. I'm happy with my HP laser printer connected directly to the network. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Albert Camus: "An intellectual is someone whose mind watches itself." --xjyYRNSh/RebjC6o Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkjHTcACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVItACfR9JYKsWRdjyxyhGWME5AQxwJ Gw0AoJCV6HFrmDLqkVaYhT+GIYR1oEwP =5aDU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xjyYRNSh/RebjC6o-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 20:00:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379B4106564A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:00:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10EF8FC12 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:00:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j71so3011516rne.12 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:00:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=pijyGnsoxw8Lp/k96Fk/mciYxbOW394tp4xFBURyMnQ=; b=Hm3TlEtfdmvF+wC+lbeLZsEsW73PlJVXLrkUpsf+Pur++Sy1UQKNZWiPF8z9O/uqQS tsH28AQAl/PaQ4DfpkWNYRAvSaWsp0S5XFslXoRKjCVjGKNjTq0sAjrCT8OHpqMdb7WC +hZyzIV4taANGc9YIv3dzPTkWuDaDq+tLtFcU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=vyckdiouAFAwZULttTsi4UfdlmZcvEgbVsIjgHQl5Qva+0f63OIskvqWToUdcUmaL4 4nnjHgjaxw5r6a+iG76HsdL6Eyx9E0o2gNqhxQUyiGvT4szUIaJs+TA25++5T3TRCC9L 8SpfJnNWEB7bvRe4GrJzmwmivdJud00rsSPZs= Received: by 10.103.182.3 with SMTP id j3mr85982mup.107.1227038403354; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:00:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.221.4 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:00:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:00:03 -0600 From: "Andrew Gould" To: "FreeBSD Questions Mailing List" In-Reply-To: <20081118195327.GG4787@kokopelli.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081118195327.GG4787@kokopelli.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: [OT] printing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:00:05 -0000 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > Your best bet for printer compatibility is to ensure that it's available > as a network device rather than having to connect to it directly, and > that it's a Postscript printer. If you want to get a printer and connect > it directly to your Mac, and you're sure it'll work with your Mac, then > you should be able to share it with the rest of the network without > problems -- as long as it's a Postscript printer. If it isn't, you may > have to do some digging to determine whether other computers on the > network will be able to use the shared printer at all, including FreeBSD > systems. > > Alas, I know basically nothing about the Epson Artisan 800. I'm happy > with my HP laser printer connected directly to the network. > > -- > Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] > Quoth Albert Camus: "An intellectual is someone whose mind watches > itself." > Thanks to all for the advice. So the bottom line is: "Get a postscript printer." They're rather expensive. It may be worth the inconvenience of sharing drive space and printing from the Mac via VNC window. ;-) Now, if I had money to waste.......... I just discovered that those really cool, wide format printers used at many photo printing shops are postscript printers!!!! Imagine the font size you could use on a 20"x30" memo. Andrew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 20:04:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 886DB1065678 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:04:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-04.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-04.bluehost.com [69.89.21.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5011D8FC08 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:04:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 759 invoked by uid 0); 18 Nov 2008 20:04:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 20:04:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=nxvLkSUgNikQ644uMpkQIC55hKdhfSfP9ZF7i2BreokmsFzwXkzEyIHGLYCIdm0SlAJ03aM3AXguLezZ9vaL7EULmr75r5LN8gIa2+X1l3hPwVr641lv1bhEB9PW6vVj; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L2Woc-0000Jg-IW for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:04:51 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:05:01 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:05:01 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081118200501.GA5226@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118123147.GA96005@ei.bzerk.org> <94136a2c0811180444n51cae14bg70654bc7b93445f8@mail.gmail.com> <20081118141648.M84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118154009.2e3be393.usselmann.m@icg-online.de> <20081118151048.GA60507@icarus.home.lan> <20081118193721.GD4787@kokopelli.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081118193721.GD4787@kokopelli.hydra> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:04:53 -0000 --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:37:21PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: >=20 > The same applies to the X Window System. It sucks. It is laden with > various and sundry big problems; annoyances and poor design decisions > litter the X Window System. The drawbacks of Luna, Aqua, and Aero are > all even worse than those of the X Window System, though, so I still with > X. This might be relevant to that, in fact: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=3D650 --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] O'Rourke's Circumcision Precept: You can take 10 percent off the top of anything. --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkjH+0ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWIAACgrp6WbZ+/4hhthAU+ORrI0Tkp /qsAoPG1lJkR8OpQq7w/JrlcESMFg8Km =gRot -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 20:08:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A9EB1065670 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:08:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-132.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-132.bluehost.com [67.222.39.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D51FD8FC14 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:08:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 27257 invoked by uid 0); 18 Nov 2008 20:08:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 20:08:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=gzQBXn5HvbMcVmWtFrag3l3of4ICDZ45pNz+BETcVdvh4yu0VgA6O72/Ip8UI1JtbXMvZxL4urF4AGwqAGIY5kVE5lmOZYMidJIDd33kAtkabjbELM5KcTm5RZ08x8Pa; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L2Ws0-0001OI-Ap for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:08:20 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:08:31 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:08:31 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: User Questions Message-ID: <20081118200831.GB5226@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: User Questions References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118123147.GA96005@ei.bzerk.org> <94136a2c0811180444n51cae14bg70654bc7b93445f8@mail.gmail.com> <20081118141648.M84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118160808.GC28439@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <94136a2c0811180819ld92d0c1sc577dc5cfc715081@mail.gmail.com> <20081118202334.A85658@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hHWLQfXTYDoKhP50" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081118202334.A85658@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:08:23 -0000 --hHWLQfXTYDoKhP50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 08:26:36PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>are happy to find that to be true. Give them a hand rather than > >>a kick in the face. > > > >Amen to that! This is something I am also asking for. Wojciech you > >often help others here. Let's keep it this way. Please?! >=20 > i will do exactly what i'm doing now. no more no less. >=20 > helping those who ask questions that make sense, and i know the answer (o= r=20 > think i know). >=20 > And fixing bad statements and bad ideas. like the idea of "replacing"=20 > windows with unix without first learning unix from basics. >=20 > And the idea that having as much FreeBSD users as possible is a good=20 > thing. it is not. I don't think that making having as many FreeBSD users as possible a primary goal is a good idea, to be sure. On the other hand, if we do so only within the constraints of current design philosophy and an attempt to focus more on quality than quantity, having more users *is* a good thing for a number of reasons -- in large part because of the benefits that can be gained from a stronger user base. What we should *not* do is take such a hostile attitude toward potential new users that the user base of FreeBSD ultimately dwindles due to the attrition of time. That seems to be your approach, and I find it quite counterproductive, especially when you couple it with weirdly anti-Unix statements like your continuing insistence that no Unix system can effectively replace MS Windows. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Anne McClintock, University of Wisconsin: "The decisions that really matter are made outside the democratic process." --hHWLQfXTYDoKhP50 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkjIL8ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWvoQCbBH8xz25EfyLdLG6MOdfviLq9 nAIAnRAsyd6pjcGsxwf0eFS5I5P1dgp9 =COgl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hHWLQfXTYDoKhP50-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 20:09:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 499F41065673 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:09:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-04.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-04.bluehost.com [69.89.21.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1189B8FC1B for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:09:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 10384 invoked by uid 0); 18 Nov 2008 20:09:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 20:09:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=hbL8NF0+TZTclCE3KXc3dseAFp4DXoLgXRQZg4tkjOyhCbShyG3u+TRAWN2hVuZmcTajNMZfiL541ctOSSlVpm2LnXh6CEOB6ifSy8F0HfwEdzQA6y40aceNg1ontzu2; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L2Wsq-0001eq-P4 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:09:12 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:09:24 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:09:23 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081118200923.GC5226@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118123147.GA96005@ei.bzerk.org> <94136a2c0811180444n51cae14bg70654bc7b93445f8@mail.gmail.com> <20081118141648.M84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118160808.GC28439@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081118202205.W85658@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZmUaFz6apKcXQszQ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081118202205.W85658@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:09:15 -0000 --ZmUaFz6apKcXQszQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 08:22:56PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > >Time to forget this. It is a semantic and religious battle > >playing hair splitting games with words. It is not a MS clone > >but it is an MS replacement. If you overwrite your MS-Win with > >FreeBSD, it completely replaces it. >=20 > and you get something completely different. FORTUNATELY different. That doesn't change the fact that it *replaced* MS Windows. >=20 > but - if millions of now-windows users starts switching to FreeBSD, it=20 > will quickly become more and more similar. as linux did. Correlation does not imply causation -- just as repeating something many times doesn't make it true. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] O'Rourke's Circumcision Precept: You can take 10 percent off the top of anything. --ZmUaFz6apKcXQszQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkjIPMACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKW7SgCbBjDwlC9hP7GsxI1UoOPz+5au 3koAnj6+AYS+sX5me5E0UztmEcsMPcLg =bAZ+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZmUaFz6apKcXQszQ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 20:19:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51C0C1065674 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:19:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rvm@CBORD.com) Received: from smssmtp.cbord.com (mx1.cbord.com [24.39.174.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 154EB8FC0C for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:19:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rvm@CBORD.com) X-AuditID: ac1f0165-00000c70000004b8-bb-4923231a1b77 Received: from Email.cbord.com ([10.1.1.100]) by smssmtp.cbord.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:18:34 -0500 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:16:57 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OT] printing question Thread-Index: AclJnXuuRZyGBDBwSy24YP8ksod6KQAGYWfg References: From: "Bob McConnell" To: "Andrew Gould" , "FreeBSD Questions Mailing List" X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: Subject: RE: [OT] printing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:19:25 -0000 On Behalf Of Andrew Gould > Time to buy a new printer. I don't print much from FreeBSD; but the need > occasionally arises. Most of my printing is done while using Mac OS X. The > Epson Artisan 800 is looking awfully nice; but it's not in the Linux I can't help with the setup issues, as I don't use printers from those systems. However, I do have a recommendation for you. I recently purchased a new HP CP1518ni Color Laser at Sam's Club for less than US$300. It has the Jet Direct network interface, includes Postscript and has worked flawlessly on my home network. HP provides Linux drivers in their hpiplib package. Once it is on the network, setup can be completed from a browser. The four toner cartridges run about US$70 each at Staples, but will print around 2200 pages, which is many times the number of pages for the equivalent cost in ink cartridges. We expect the overall cost to be significantly less than a DeskJet with all of the refills it would eat. I suspect we will have covered the difference in the printer prices before we burn through the 700 pages the original cartridges should provide. Plus the pages don't smear when we handle them with damp fingers. HTH, Bob McConnell From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 20:23:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8F7D1065672 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:23:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-103.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-103.bluehost.com [69.89.22.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 819CF8FC16 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:23:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 15796 invoked by uid 0); 18 Nov 2008 20:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 20:23:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=XxD+pnKIcPK8/8ZhLVOCPpK09fWFkPawFBoedZbGfrPmWzn3JoX5q7sMdD2rCfDLACWaZxErJ/YMlKhqV7qroN7mWGNheATZw3E3lEBt7yyaQn0m+PEpeaP8vndoABBI; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L2X6z-0005qi-24 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:23:49 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:24:00 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:24:00 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Message-ID: <20081118202400.GD5226@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List References: <20081118195327.GG4787@kokopelli.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5p8PegU4iirBW1oA" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: [OT] printing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:23:51 -0000 --5p8PegU4iirBW1oA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 02:00:03PM -0600, Andrew Gould wrote: >=20 > So the bottom line is: "Get a postscript printer." They're rather > expensive. It may be worth the inconvenience of sharing drive space and > printing from the Mac via VNC window. ;-) The reason Postscript printers tend to be "expensive" is that they tend to be high quality. Only cheap, crappy "desktop" printers of the sort that people buy for their home MS Windows systems, then replace when they run out of ink because replacement ink cartridges cost more than half the cost of a brand new printer, tend to be incapable of using Postscript. There are exceptions, of course, in the form of very expensive, highly specialized printers that are unsuitable to home or even most office use and don't "understand" Postscript. =2E . . but generally speaking, if it doesn't speak Postscript, it's probably a heap of junk anyway. That's my experience, at least. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Naguib Mahfouz: "You can tell whether a man is clever by his answers. You can tell whether a man is wise by his questions." --5p8PegU4iirBW1oA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkjJGAACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVwbgCdHIy5g5QNsPqyIzGYdxPVON53 XyMAoI1hjWPFPnbkosUAKoGuQmzlgmPg =z/HK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5p8PegU4iirBW1oA-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 20:34:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8375B1065670 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:34:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A9208FC0A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:34:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gjVA1a00u0vp7WLA6ka2Qc; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:34:02 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gka11a00B2P6wsM8Rka1t1; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:34:01 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=70qzlKQjAAAA:8 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=_ZJDIE_WCoJzWsd_OpQA:9 a=Uc-OS_UiOYlfaMb3A7EA:7 a=knCaYegSI9D4DQ2iEvY3JO0oiNsA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=7Dsci7dhZp0A:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E561C33C36; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:34:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:34:00 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Andrew Gould Message-ID: <20081118203400.GA67232@icarus.home.lan> References: <20081118195327.GG4787@kokopelli.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] printing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:34:02 -0000 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 02:00:03PM -0600, Andrew Gould wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > Your best bet for printer compatibility is to ensure that it's available > > as a network device rather than having to connect to it directly, and > > that it's a Postscript printer. If you want to get a printer and connect > > it directly to your Mac, and you're sure it'll work with your Mac, then > > you should be able to share it with the rest of the network without > > problems -- as long as it's a Postscript printer. If it isn't, you may > > have to do some digging to determine whether other computers on the > > network will be able to use the shared printer at all, including FreeBSD > > systems. > > > > Alas, I know basically nothing about the Epson Artisan 800. I'm happy > > with my HP laser printer connected directly to the network. > > > > -- > > Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] > > Quoth Albert Camus: "An intellectual is someone whose mind watches > > itself." > > > > Thanks to all for the advice. > > So the bottom line is: "Get a postscript printer." They're rather > expensive. It may be worth the inconvenience of sharing drive space and > printing from the Mac via VNC window. ;-) > > Now, if I had money to waste.......... I just discovered that those really > cool, wide format printers used at many photo printing shops are postscript > printers!!!! Those are hit-or-miss as well. Our HP plotter at work, for example: when printing actual images (JPEG, GIF, etc.), you have to configure the printer driver to think that the printer is the exact size/resolution of the image you want to print, otherwise it prints half the image, then in mid-line starts looping back to the top of the image, and loses all concept of paper size. Awesome. > Imagine the font size you could use on a 20"x30" memo. I can tell you that my Brother MFC-5860CN printer, despite being a AIO network printer, does not work with FreeBSD -- even lpd does not work with it. The behaviour is repeatable: sending data to either the LPD port or the JetDirect emulation port results in the printer showing "Receiving data" (or something like that) on the LCD, then the printer just locks up. Supposedly the network data stream has to be encoded in some way. Brother offers numerous Linux packages, and Linux binaries, which take care of this for you, but nothing for FreeBSD. In fact, their FAQ/KB even answers "Do you support FreeBSD?" with something that resembles "No, we do not, and we will not, go away". You can find tons of web pages on this printer, and other Brother printers; tons of Linux success stories, otherwise nothing but tears. This printer does work very well in Windows, but not so well with OS X (unless its hooked up to the USB port, where supposedly it works fine). I have no interest in CUPS (bloated and overcomplex), and no interest in Linux emulation (lolcat style: DO NOT WANT), so I stick with printing under Windows. Prior to the Brother, I had an HP DeskJet AIO, and I literally threw it in the trash due to Windows drivers bloat galore. There's a famous problem with their drivers where every time you print, it launches an EXE, but then never kills the EXE off. Print 10 times, you've got 10 EXEs lingering around in memory. Imagine this in a corp environment where there's a Windows print server involved -- totally unacceptable. I'm afraid to sell/dispose of my Brother and get an HP LaserJet because of their drivers. The point I'm trying to make: do not think that just because a printer has an Ethernet port that it will work with FreeBSD. The other part of the problem is that FreeBSD's USB stack isn't so great. I assume that just because a USB printer attaches as ulpt(4) doesn't mean it'll print properly (e.g. needs an I/O driver of some kind), but I could be wrong. I don't know what your budget is, but US$300-400 for an AIO printer that works with your setup, and in a multi-OS environment, is well worth it. If folks out there are using network or USB printers with FreeBSD RELENG_7 (without Linux emulation; CUPS is acceptable for others, just not me :-) )), compiling a list of compatible hardware would be beneficial. It seems that most HP LaserJet printers with network I/O work well, assuming the model supports some form of PostScript. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 20:46:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B69251065672 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:46:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 901628FC17 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:46:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 3987 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2008 20:46:59 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 18 Nov 2008 20:46:58 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 25A685085A; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:46:57 -0500 (EST) To: "Andrew Gould" References: <20081118195327.GG4787@kokopelli.hydra> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:46:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Andrew Gould's message of "Tue\, 18 Nov 2008 14\:00\:03 -0600") Message-ID: <444p24u5hb.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] printing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:46:59 -0000 "Andrew Gould" writes: > So the bottom line is: "Get a postscript printer." They're rather > expensive. It may be worth the inconvenience of sharing drive space and > printing from the Mac via VNC window. ;-) It's not clear to me that anyone posting here had tried printing to a printer on a recent Mac. I haven't, even though I've got one in my house. I know that the Mac's printer shows up more or less automagically on the FreeBSD (CUPS) machines on the LAN, but I don't think I've tried actually printing to it. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 21:00:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7389C1065670 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:00:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-132.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-132.bluehost.com [67.222.39.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3E7E68FC13 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:00:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 23879 invoked by uid 0); 18 Nov 2008 21:00:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 21:00:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=ROl0sT2gfXDBwiFq0MDAItkvLSgOkXXNWCbYd6wLMfw4Z3FfaQWwcXOGiPxGSXAtT+G261F2Ivk3wucDaN6Zj+pUTa+9e3rMix+v32zh/7JWvFvSPC6RH/Ok3ca1XJQp; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L2Xgo-00018t-Tk for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:00:51 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:01:01 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:01:01 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20081118210101.GA5383@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+QahgC5+KEYLbs62" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: BSD-licensed text utility updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:00:53 -0000 --+QahgC5+KEYLbs62 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been trying to keep generally aware of where things are with the attempts to port and develop BSD-licensed text processing utilities for FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/#p-bsdtexttools Apparently, the Google Summer of Code project that tackled the problem met with some success, notably in the area of grep porting and development, as noted on this year's GSOC notifications page: http://www.freebsd.org/projects/summerofcode-2008.html That page contains the following note: If we can accept the regex differencies in grep, it is ready to enter SVN after some thorough testing. Where can I find discussion, or at least updates, on the status of projects like this? Considering its completeness, and the fact that it has been declared ready for inclusion in the base system, I think this is a topic that might deserve some attention, and it certainly piques my interest. I'm similarly interested in other matters such as the license auditing infrastructure project (also mentioned on the GSOC page). If there's a mailing list appropriate to this sort of thing, whether for discussion, development, or just progress announcements, I haven't been able to find it. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Arthur C. Clarke: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." --+QahgC5+KEYLbs62 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkjLQ0ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUNQQCgvPREmxn8WtAsikr61pk/lqUj K+wAnjep3+FyftOim0nPfI7JgxQDxupw =hqO8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+QahgC5+KEYLbs62-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 21:15:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D171065670 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:15:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from maanjee@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA3908FC0A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:15:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from maanjee@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i2so3246941mue.3 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:15:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=AnCnB0wmRG6h0v3s7zjch+sqambtG+ssOq7g2fulcaM=; b=f9Z/rSUENLYLtQXBb9e2Sn/edlGW7qrNUTvP39ZrVYNIcgfAmwq/JQXJLmqR8BfZ20 ypilGROnXnTvrzbMqaRB+vpcml/DXBRLjOtekFFTId4T4hkWGqsXPkGE3B3yR9VXsah6 hGcmd3jf8hPjQImMGcuFDgPwe8WziXdMSkMmY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=jZGvIhPFIbDmnuTmRXUXHdi5xed2Mo/ObMo5cOvcgNqFIx3fCoXJcGGEnjLdNdXBQS py97ZbfJJEINe2vTEzOGb2ahVhdHOgsivCmwf+9E8CKVwgErz/ZTbbDLW01IpZQx1uD4 LLGcEAjUg+gLIRt53ZfPxlkaSgEZfaFcMajQ0= Received: by 10.181.208.8 with SMTP id k8mr89257bkq.128.1227042937498; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:15:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.181.11.1 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:15:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2cd0a0da0811181315u367586d9s10e438e399634813@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:15:37 +0100 From: VeeJay To: FreeBSD-Questions , VeeJay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re:FreeBSD, OMSA Live CD and DSET tools for Dell 2950 Server? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:15:39 -0000 Any help??? On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 4:41 PM, VeeJay wrote: > Hello there, > > To diagnose and solve a Disk Encluser issue, I am advised to run two > tools.... > > 1. Run OMSA live CD on the Server? Since, OMSA Live CD is linux based, I am > just wondering if it will work or not? > 2. Run Dell's DSET Tool, which is also for Linux systems.... > > And seeking your comments in this regards: > > > *Server Configuration with FreeBSD 7.0* > ** > *2 x PE2950 III Quad Core Xeon E5450 3.0GHz,2x6MB,1333FSB > *Riser with PCI Express Support (2x PCIe x8 slots; 1x PCIe x4 slot) > PE2950 English rack power cord > PE2950 Bezel Assembly > *16GB (8x2GB Dual Rank DIMMs) 667MHz FBD > 6 x 450GB SAS 15k 3.5" HD Hot Plug* > PE2950 III - Chassis 3.5HDD x6 Backplane > *PERC 6/i, Integrated Controller Card x6 backplane > *CD/DVD Drive Cable > 8X DVD-ROM Drive IDE > PE2950 III Redundant Power Supply No Power Cord > Rack Power Distribution Unit Power Cord > TCP/IP Offload Engine 2P > Broadcom TCP/IP Offload Engine functionality (TOE) Not Enabled > Drac 5 Card > *PE2950 III C5 MSS R10 Add-in PERC 5/i / 6/i > * > > -- > Thanks! > > BR / vj > -- Thanks! BR / vj From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 21:30:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 603631065670 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:30:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dudu.meyer@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 152438FC1E for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:30:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dudu.meyer@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b6so1342573ana.13 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:30:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=pfheWpyScQYNfECQr5JoN/hJbX4OX6Dka1vH5rxKYqg=; b=NfNAA9IpoRI6HU4DfikBmf7IFa8c+I2R08+n3wwWvE+9a7hhSiGHSvjd8Qf5w3itZB WB3tpc11a6H/jffZD8+olNZVEGDurvNk5IdMhsDNsicCGvt9IyJBZLSRQm9kHOEBNY1F d5f6kn++oni16rQgnvfaUQZDTj5hCeiccmJVc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ZBWOTHeUZmMtGQfQW2iMkohxyZuQLCTldBTWonV67u+JUWI0Fpmf7h1mPLabmVjK27 YBrmzWCQbisBsyXuUL1koWxJ8bpHzPdKL3g1nSSJFPAuzvugCUEPIufUPiKqBgrQ9iV5 XYIqL1y13CwJZF1GBUqxLcDMhNYoVlrHDQtjA= Received: by 10.143.43.7 with SMTP id v7mr132933wfj.192.1227043839841; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:30:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.229.10 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:30:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:30:39 -0200 From: "Eduardo Meyer" To: stable@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: tcpdump(1) filter by date X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:30:41 -0000 Hello, I have a kind big tcpdump file, which has data from the last week. I want to dump information based on date. Can I do it without generating a full output and later parse the headers? Say, I want to filter by date in the filter and not with tcpdump -r dumpfile | awk '{ number of packets starting from the epoch-formatted date I have paused my work later. Sometimes I will also need this for pflog files, so, I would appreciate any tips to do this with tcpdump custom files or pflog generated files if there is anything would fit for one situation but not for another. Thank you all in advance. -- =========== Eduardo Meyer pessoal: dudu.meyer@gmail.com profissional: ddm.farmaciap@saude.gov.br From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 21:54:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 656C3106564A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:54:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D68C8FC0C for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:54:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: (qmail 18186 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2008 21:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO blizzard.dnsalias.org) (218.215.188.65) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 21:54:08 -0000 Received: by blizzard.dnsalias.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 716211707E; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:54:09 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:54:09 +1100 From: andrew clarke To: Gary Hartl Message-ID: <20081118215409.GA32945@ozzmosis.com> References: <000e01c94999$a7532dc0$f5f98940$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000e01c94999$a7532dc0$f5f98940$@com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD Media Center X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:54:13 -0000 On Tue 2008-11-18 11:21:02 UTC-0500, Gary Hartl (ghartl@gmail.com) wrote: > I have an old laptop (Dell Inspiron 7500), P3 550mhz, 256mb ram 20 gig hdd. > > I am wondering what the validity of putting FBSD on it running VLC or > something like that feeding to my tv. 550 MHz will be a bit slow for playing DivX/XviD movies, especially if they're high definition (beyond 640x480 approx). Presumably Windows is installed on it at the moment, so you can give the Windows version of VLC a test run. The RAM & HDD specs are fine. Provided the laptop's integrated video and networking is supported, you should be good to go. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 22:07:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF2611065670 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:07:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout013.mac.com (asmtpout013.mac.com [17.148.16.88]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9993C8FC16 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:07:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.227.140.124]) by asmtp013.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.03 (built Aug 7 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KAJ00CRMURPHT60@asmtp013.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:07:02 -0800 (PST) Message-id: From: Chuck Swiger To: Ansar Mohammed In-reply-to: <019d01c9491d$778b0ad0$66a12070$@com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:07:01 -0800 References: <019501c9491c$84ee6e20$8ecb4a60$@com> <019d01c9491d$778b0ad0$66a12070$@com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: realtime network replication X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:07:02 -0000 On Nov 17, 2008, at 5:32 PM, Ansar Mohammed wrote: > Ok, I have /home on one server, I need to REPLICATE /home to another > server > in realtime. Kinda like a mirror, but over a network. I don't want > to use > rsync because its not realtime. Yeah, your problem description is clear enough. If you want true redundancy and the data available from both machines, you're talking about more of a clustered filesystem like Veritas CFS or maybe Andrew FS / DFS from Transarc. However, you might also find something like /usr/ports/net/unison a reasonable alternative: http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 22:15:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B5F5106564A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:15:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nox@saturn.kn-bremen.de) Received: from gwyn.kn-bremen.de (gwyn.kn-bremen.de [212.63.36.242]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 443B18FC17 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:15:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nox@saturn.kn-bremen.de) Received: by gwyn.kn-bremen.de (Postfix, from userid 10) id EE01F191BCB; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:47:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from saturn.kn-bremen.de (noident@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by saturn.kn-bremen.de (8.14.2/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAILkFgi034515; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:46:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nox@saturn.kn-bremen.de) Received: (from nox@localhost) by saturn.kn-bremen.de (8.14.2/8.13.6/Submit) id mAILkEBC034514; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:46:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nox) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:46:14 +0100 (CET) From: Juergen Lock Message-Id: <200811182146.mAILkEBC034514@saturn.kn-bremen.de> To: stevefranks@ieee.org X-Newsgroups: gmane.os.freebsd.questions In-Reply-To: <539c60b90810301129x58a6e5des56c062ecbb262663@mail.gmail.com> References: <539c60b90810301128j2493c4c1wc9519a6fef834490@mail.gmail.com> Organization: home Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kqemu runs 2x faster on i386 than amd64!? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:15:04 -0000 In article <539c60b90810301129x58a6e5des56c062ecbb262663@mail.gmail.com> you write: >Guess I should've mentioned the target is 32-bit win2k... > >On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Steve Franks wrote: >> I'm not comparing apples-to-apples exactly, but both my disks are in >> the same system, both are running 7-stable from within the last few >> months, so it's pretty close. Also, the i386 is a direct replacement >> of the amd64 to fix this and other problems, so the software & >> settings set is pretty identical also... >> >> kqemu crawls when I boot amd64 (and I notice the processor is always >> over 50%), and it's reasonalbly usable on i386 (also, the processor is >> often in the 30% range, instead of 60%). >> >> Steve Hi! Are you sure kqemu is even used? (in the monitor do: info kqemu) Quoting ports/emulators/qemu/pkg-message: - also remember that on amd64 you need to run the amd64 (x86_64) system emulation if you want to use kqemu, i.e. run qemu-system-x86_64 instead of qemu (the latter only emulates a 32 bit system.) [...] Note however that this is no longer true with the qemu-devel port, so if you are using that also the 32 bit `qemu' can use kqemu. And finally, for anyone wanting to test out more recent qemu svn snapshots, you should check -emulation, I have just prepared another experimental qemu-devel port update: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-emulation/2008-November/005526.html HTH, Juergen PS: No I'm still not on -questions, so please Cc me if you want to make sure I see followups. (I was just testing out accessing it via gmane and looked for recent posts about qemu...) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 22:39:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F27861065677 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:39:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f12.google.com (mail-gx0-f12.google.com [209.85.217.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A24718FC14 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:39:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: by gxk5 with SMTP id 5so2012gxk.19 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:39:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type; bh=guqVzOHlp5MrvUqc1o3BXdKNLUzcv7dkbp6Hz/sijek=; b=M6vHy4at7Kwsb9bv3sx4ejR2vHjMIOsKBX+v9YRZOOr6M3jA4U3ATrtYf8niOismfO 7HJswWEGf4yyJFDnMkzLr23og+GqtBOLaz19rNyNFT/fnWyUEeAMqWwnJ+g/H/13ML7a NBZSXEKF4xMJq1Uo7wQddmmSBpxKAhLvaPRl0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type; b=iRd5C4qWeOitQ+eIPurJo6UzSkaAl19O9eptuJCoMBYw9uK87AXEUvlxW+rEzauIda hRPOvWMl5CrFvSgDslvaDJNi9ptpR/ChCkSPRmMRVuhGxxiCfLdraI6w/XTPZJIgGZHs GGVJrx5eDey5LNQad/IBwpjnr9A7KzoUgeT24= Received: by 10.90.91.9 with SMTP id o9mr275845agb.117.1227045997553; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:06:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.148? (adsl-074-245-053-043.sip.jax.bellsouth.net [74.245.53.43]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p60sm7822180hsa.5.2008.11.18.14.06.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:06:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49233C74.9040401@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:06:44 -0500 From: michael User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080925) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andrew clarke References: <000e01c94999$a7532dc0$f5f98940$@com> <20081118215409.GA32945@ozzmosis.com> In-Reply-To: <20081118215409.GA32945@ozzmosis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Media Center X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:39:58 -0000 andrew clarke wrote: > On Tue 2008-11-18 11:21:02 UTC-0500, Gary Hartl (ghartl@gmail.com) wrote: > > >> I have an old laptop (Dell Inspiron 7500), P3 550mhz, 256mb ram 20 gig hdd. >> >> I am wondering what the validity of putting FBSD on it running VLC or >> something like that feeding to my tv. >> > > 550 MHz will be a bit slow for playing DivX/XviD movies, especially if > they're high definition (beyond 640x480 approx). Presumably Windows > is installed on it at the moment, so you can give the Windows version > of VLC a test run. > > The RAM & HDD specs are fine. Provided the laptop's integrated video > and networking is supported, you should be good to go. > Actually, an AMD k6-2 450 will play over 720 resolution divx. mplayer with a proper cache setting and enough ram helps massively. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 22:41:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEB6110656AD for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:41:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghartl@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E4878FC12 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:41:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghartl@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1337292yxb.13 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:41:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=tHlU97WJ2shSTkQ/h4UuNyXhHqoaEUJDrCqSweIs5Rc=; b=gs7YGc1ujNNZHrxR4yOGhly+cgpHt5bqgVeQEa3KyEruUt+yKFt6ip/I/RZcMzLTN1 tahVMlQarYKPtiLxRLCsBp+9ZrCymIGZ7L0+FsBenDOYhQ0UNTkhY0KTVYvom69plvUl H/Bt94XA7kEK5FJj7jR68mP6yx//Xz6D9uyZI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; b=Ht77SK/diUb4aeQx4Qw8zVQcZf+4aBG1RO1/9Mhxwz3R2FjQJFcEN5HZr9jDhDo5fF DHsQ536+wupa3vwdsCNpdGHlfmKrCHpuBXrNMqR3t9ZbRd524Gekdp+L9YwxO4++Q053 b/uR5NmiJ4GosU9UbeQpdPHUbhLm9ksxNDrtc= Received: by 10.65.20.18 with SMTP id x18mr410633qbi.92.1227048068222; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:41:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mainpc (d226-16-220.home.cgocable.net [24.226.16.220]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k27sm10208907qba.10.2008.11.18.14.41.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:41:07 -0800 (PST) From: "Gary Hartl" To: "FreeBSD Questions" Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:41:06 -0500 Message-ID: <005701c949ce$bf38ef80$3daace80$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclJzr56hbcT03GvTKSnjj4ZPOaUQw== Content-Language: en-ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Newbie question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:41:09 -0000 Hi all; Quick newbie question. I've been out of the bsd loop for a bit, i'm trying to setup nagios which is fine There are a couple of settings that I either don't remember or never remembered and forgot that I never knew it. Ok so nagios is asking me for an rc.d path, which if i recall FBSD doesn't use it is a linux script path for starting services at different run levels. So does FBSD emulate it for certain packages cause Nagios finds it at /usr/local/etc/rc.d but the only thing i have in it is webmin.sh which is for my webmin interface (although I must confess I'm not sure why it is there or what it is doing). I must also admit i feel rather retarded, since I used to know this stuff like the back of my hand, but it's been 6-7 years since i've been actively using FBSD but am looking to get back into it. Rc.d anyone? My assumption is that FBSD is using inetd for starting services correct? Thanks Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 22:48:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D404106564A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:48:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) Received: from ns1.jnielsen.net (ns1.jnielsen.net [69.55.238.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00FE88FC1A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:48:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) Received: from [172.17.2.17] (rrcs-74-218-226-253.se.biz.rr.com [74.218.226.253]) (authenticated bits=0) by ns1.jnielsen.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id mAIMmIVD056096; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:48:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) From: John Nielsen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Albert.Shih@obspm.fr Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:48:12 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <20081118145535.GB30563@obspm.fr> In-Reply-To: <20081118145535.GB30563@obspm.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811181748.13074.lists@jnielsen.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on ns1.jnielsen.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: Re: Wifi Card for laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:48:20 -0000 On Tuesday 18 November 2008 09:55:35 am Albert Shih wrote: > Hi all > > I would like to buy a PCMCIA card for my new laptop (because FreeBSD do > not recognise my internal wifi AND RJ45 ethernet card....sh** windows > say it's Broadcom netXtreme 57xx gigabit ). > > So I just want to known what 802.11G card I can buy without drivers > problem. > > My local dealer have those card : [snip] > Trendnet TEW-441PC I ordered this card from newegg not long ago. It's inexpensive and well-supported by the ath(4) driver (unlike the (slightly cheaper) other trendnet card you mentioned). JN From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 22:51:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C161065675 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:51:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from blade2-ext.obspm.fr (blade2-ext.obspm.fr [145.238.186.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC87F8FC13 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:51:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from obspm.fr (pcjas.obspm.fr [145.238.184.233]) by blade2-ext.obspm.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/SIO Observatoire de Paris - 15/11/07) with ESMTP id mAIMpRMG032336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:51:28 +0100 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:51:27 +0100 From: Albert Shih To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20081118225127.GA66955@obspm.fr> References: <20081118145535.GB30563@obspm.fr> <20081118164135.L84987@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20081118164135.L84987@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (blade2-ext.obspm.fr [145.238.186.20]); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:51:28 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.1/8648/Tue Nov 18 22:01:58 2008 on blade2-ext.obspm.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wifi Card for laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:51:30 -0000 Le 18/11/2008 à 16:43:47+0100, Wojciech Puchar a écrit > > > > D-LINK DWL-G630 > > > > Trendnet TEW-421PC > > > > D-LINK DWA-645 RangeBooster N65 ... > > > > Linksys WPC54G > > > > Linksys WPC54GS Speedbooster > > > > Trendnet TEW-441PC > > > ask about chipset they use and then look at FreeBSD site for hardware > compatibility. FreeBSD supports a lot of wireless cards. > > sometimes even more works using driver converter (ndisgen) that converts > windows XP drivers. But performance may (will) be lower. After some research on Internet (with other machine ;-) ) I finaly make the wifi card working. Using wpi driver. > > > Or maybe you can help me to make my internet RJ45 card working ;-) > > > what it is? FreeBSD supports most (but not all) network cards It's Broadcom 5756. I known it's very close to 57xx but...it's not working. Thanks for your help. Regards. -- Albert SHIH SIO batiment 15 Observatoire de Paris Meudon 5 Place Jules Janssen 92195 Meudon Cedex Heure local/Local time: Mar 18 nov 2008 23:50:01 CET From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 22:52:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815851065672 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:52:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F608FC2C for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:52:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-26-78.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.26.78]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B5719B7E8C; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:52:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mAIMqAXK001744; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:52:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:52:10 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "Gary Hartl" Message-Id: <20081118235210.d63caf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <000e01c94999$a7532dc0$f5f98940$@com> References: <000e01c94999$a7532dc0$f5f98940$@com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD Media Center X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:52:13 -0000 On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:21:02 -0500, "Gary Hartl" wrote: > Hi all; > > I have an old laptop (Dell Inspiron 7500), P3 550mhz, 256mb ram 20 gig hdd. > > I am wondering what the validity of putting FBSD on it running VLC or > something like that feeding to my tv. > > Anyone with any feedback on this. Yes, done it. AMD 550 MHz CPU, 128 MB RAM, 6 GB HDD (new 20 GB disk ready to start) with FreeBSD 5. Main utilities were xmms and mplayer, NB no K- or G-mplayer. Worked very well for serving music and videos (allthough not in DVD quality, no DVD drive). > Or is there a FBSD Media Center project out either in alpha or beta? I don't know. But in order to utilize a "low end machine" for the purpose specified you need to taylor a lot. I don't think there's anything preconfigured yet... GUI setting here: WindowMaker, Midnight Commander, X Terminals and some utilities as shell scripts or in Tcl/Tk I wrote myself. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 22:55:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCF421065670 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:55:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kitchetech@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 542BB8FC13 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:55:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kitchetech@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so2478124fgb.35 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:55:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=wVtcTXgjVP6x3IJ0HxrJsJd0Aiw6MmHg88O+4Qe7CdY=; b=wjD5caOnjvmpmXt6YabKTCkp7yi43lkO0J/Y71E4G/XxSFcCP3tGF/PB1MnF3XkwaA T8Jbu2gnWdU67UAJZIDtqiXp3CXNEgNmmdUPd1uKvBRHCWPN7LxAZInkzCetMza4U9xS iWFXQGy9H/7LKRHxbXT7NSYwaE1+3GXLGdY8Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=lMyCGFZ1PHgJITA9zxnQDhKa8vXPVrZnjjxbv1mE/hE9+5dDrOK2VOfLO0dPW7MHn0 +fyE/wXYh/gfwKSaBB0rNqo/Y2l4/czwOn7SkXE7RBetSY+sPy+vB0qwudfyITwh/AST VH3UXMPHaM/rP2jcWoBIlZo+ixLh34I3CEQ4U= Received: by 10.181.48.13 with SMTP id a13mr117185bkk.43.1227048920047; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:55:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.205.7 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:55:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <28283d910811181455j66fd30fei358d6dabf340f8f5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:55:19 -0500 From: "matt donovan" To: "Gary Hartl" In-Reply-To: <005701c949ce$bf38ef80$3daace80$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <005701c949ce$bf38ef80$3daace80$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Newbie question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:55:22 -0000 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Gary Hartl wrote: > Hi all; > > > > Quick newbie question. > > > > I've been out of the bsd loop for a bit, i'm trying to setup nagios which > is > fine > > > > There are a couple of settings that I either don't remember or never > remembered and forgot that I never knew it. > > > > Ok so nagios is asking me for an rc.d path, which if i recall FBSD doesn't > use it is a linux script path for starting services at different run > levels. > > > > So does FBSD emulate it for certain packages cause Nagios finds it at > /usr/local/etc/rc.d but the only thing i have in it is webmin.sh which is > for my webmin interface (although I must confess I'm not sure why it is > there or what it is doing). > > > > I must also admit i feel rather retarded, since I used to know this stuff > like the back of my hand, but it's been 6-7 years since i've been actively > using FBSD but am looking to get back into it. > > > > Rc.d anyone? > > > > My assumption is that FBSD is using inetd for starting services correct? > > > > Thanks > > > > Gary > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" No FreeBSD uses rc.d it's where the rc.d actually came from. for ports it's /usr/local/etc/rc.d for system scripts it's /etc/rc.d From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 23:10:17 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF8D1065674 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:10:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghartl@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.247]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D9BF8FC12 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:10:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghartl@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b6so1361762ana.13 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:10:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=I8HgqeOGqot6z5bQqZV+NKLnQUMXm497KgJ9CYnfO0c=; b=ODgjHJwgAYF6710rvCPyvyTBeH9ovH0zTUeaJfzJeSpLNEuiBLtqL6GoOVFgRxHBlU /5ZzMTs06N+kpsvcSHwDKtncQtLRfk2P9F66ncaOKQsi8uPsPQovEmv5zP8oR/HHbIXA mknByiOfhjrschej06hSGWq5zpsIZ6POcJvtY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; b=Zy82/Fl++X4sbJgGN54FaVi02UJ7NYLC0kwsI8XQEQsgp0n/2p+ubU8V63TzcdT/rr MTh5wuxS3xN4JLLVDazvMbxyxpkjzLTd+MJXfEaNMzo7LNbY0PUIwDT4lE2uxG5u9en5 p8bWMVclXXsmhsVuuO53wjV8J1al2LCTJiL78= Received: by 10.64.243.19 with SMTP id q19mr460378qbh.50.1227049815858; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:10:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mainpc (d226-16-220.home.cgocable.net [24.226.16.220]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p30sm10268739qbp.14.2008.11.18.15.10.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:10:15 -0800 (PST) From: "Gary Hartl" To: "FreeBSD Questions" Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:10:13 -0500 Message-ID: <006201c949d2$d0e92570$72bb7050$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclJ0s/1lOsvfxahSR6hiw12DPf+9w== Content-Language: en-ca Subject: Apology X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:10:17 -0000 Sorry group I just realized I've been sending HTML emails to the group Plain text now set. Stupid outlook Thanks Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 23:17:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C11EC1065674 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:17:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F01D8FC18 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:17:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAINHbia033865 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:17:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:17:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:17:09 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20081118231652.GA75942@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, DNS_FROM_SECURITYSAGE autolearn=no version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Subject: is threr a database for freeBSD with?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:17:14 -0000 I'm looking to write a simple program to extract stuff from Project Gutenberg's books (--of whivh there are tens ofthousands thanks to Michael HArt and his volunteers). There is no collection of metaphors in the public domain, and it wouldn't take that much coding if there were a database with word, (grammatical type), e.g. foot, n love, n run, v ugly, adj etc. It occured to me that I might take the CIDE/GCIDE database and somehow scrounge the world-list above from that. I don't think it is available on Linux. Dunno. Nutshell, it would be a major help to writers to have this kind of stuff online instead of a 17-pound book... . Thanks for ideas, as well as code snippets! gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 23:25:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA068106564A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:25:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67E088FC1A for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:25:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id mAINLgCM030436; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:21:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id mAINLgwf030435; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:21:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:21:42 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20081118232142.GB30357@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118123147.GA96005@ei.bzerk.org> <94136a2c0811180444n51cae14bg70654bc7b93445f8@mail.gmail.com> <20081118141648.M84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118154009.2e3be393.usselmann.m@icg-online.de> <20081118154446.H84809@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118163419.GD28439@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081118202647.D85658@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081118202647.D85658@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Jerry McAllister , Zbigniew Szalbot , Manfred Usselmann , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:25:54 -0000 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 08:29:27PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>so why it have a much smaller market share? > > > >Because MS wrote restrictive contracts with companies trying to > >sell PCs saying that if they wanted to put MS on any of their > > Apple produces it's own computers. Actually a branded PCs now. > what a problem? Not at all the same thing. Apple produces its own and puts an OS on it. If they tell an OEM vendor they cannot put anything else on it, then it begins to go in the bad direction. If they tell the OEM vendor that not only can they not put anything else on the hardware that the OEM build, but that they have to put their OS on EVERY piece of hardware that they make, then it is like MS. It isn't as if MS made computers and put their own stuff on every machine, which would be similar to the Kodak issue of years gone by. MS tried to force other hardware makers to only put MS on their (the other maker) machines and put it on every machine they sold. No manufacturer or OEM could sell a machine with MS unless they sold EVERY machine they made with MS. That is crooked business. But they got away with barely a slapped wrist. ////jerry > > the problem is that Apple works the same way as Commodore 20-15 years ago. > > Trying to get prices as high as possible, instead of looking in future. > > Exactly what apple do now - selling ordinary PC (just more stylish cases) > 2-3 times more expensive. > > if Apple computers would be similarly prices or slightly higher, then > they could really compete. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 23:34:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E9C1065673 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:34:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from smtpauth.surewest.net (smtpauth.surewest.net [66.60.130.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DDAA8FC17 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:34:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (unknown [69.62.230.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtpauth.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D39E39BF11 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:34:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (bigdaddy.mykitchentable.net [192.168.1.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47DBD164D43 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:34:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49235108.2030907@mykitchentable.net> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:34:32 -0800 From: Drew Tomlinson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FBSD 7.1 & kern.maxdsiz X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:34:37 -0000 I installed FBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE amd64 version on an Intel Core2Duo box with 4 GB of RAM. The main purpose of this box is to run the Urchin web analysis software from Google. The Urchin installation docs (https://secure.urchin.com/helpwiki/en/Urchin_Installation_Guide_(FreeBSD_and_Linux)) contain a note for FreeBSD users waring of a "hard coded process datasiz limit of 500 MB" and instruct on to set "kern.maxdsiz="1073741824"" in /boot/loader.conf. However FBSD 7.1 doesn't appear to have this sysctl. How can I do the equivalent of this in FBSD 7.1? Thanks, Drew -- Be a Great Magician! Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse http://www.alchemistswarehouse.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 00:01:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E46C61065675 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:01:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A31368FC18 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:01:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-26-78.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.26.78]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2EB350514; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:01:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mAJ019XJ001969; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:01:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:01:09 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Drew Tomlinson Message-Id: <20081119010109.5eff6215.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <49235108.2030907@mykitchentable.net> References: <49235108.2030907@mykitchentable.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: FBSD 7.1 & kern.maxdsiz X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:01:13 -0000 On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:34:32 -0800, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > The Urchin installation docs [...] > contain a note for FreeBSD users waring of a "hard coded process datasiz > limit of 500 MB" and instruct on to set "kern.maxdsiz="1073741824"" in > /boot/loader.conf. However FBSD 7.1 doesn't appear to have this > sysctl. How can I do the equivalent of this in FBSD 7.1? Exactly, it is *not* a sysctl setting. It's a loader tunable, as I learned from this list some time ago. Don't search to find it in the sysctl list, you won't find it there. :-) In FreeBSD 7 you should be able to set this setting using the file /boot/loader.conf. I think I had this setting on a FreeBSD 5 machine, I'll go and check. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 00:02:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1F40106564A for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:02:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghartl@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD558FC14 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:02:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghartl@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1349563yxb.13 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:02:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:x-cr-hashedpuzzle :x-cr-puzzleid; bh=8oJzHCad2xGdJKk2RVDygImjw3S+lvDmD5rtPm91MOs=; b=FeggtaaOexJ3braTdrSPpm3xrCFr34+VDOiI5dOyZOZtJaxh5y068jtcUZr9VOxTN7 RZo4UIdW3fXSAMUoRuclSgRT0L7z9N37SOJlSqGLkA5/1Jv01en2IOLI0P5kLe58JySg EZE8Z2XHblxTMQaISx/fzAg6x+3ePcG0k6XIo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language :x-cr-hashedpuzzle:x-cr-puzzleid; b=Pkndo8ctrgbJ3PNrknWOw8vZcnfOGsu4KtxX54C3shEb7cBwujedAZJYsNiAjGIKZS MmM8yl930KLr7uh/4AtIAqBd7TlqTL3Nlg49TjHQB0mVPD0bJlu+tC6kfwDSghz6aXxX nDRrnCGm29V+NfLzFSW85xFKj6ba3LZy656W0= Received: by 10.65.96.17 with SMTP id y17mr528368qbl.2.1227052970990; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:02:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mainpc (d226-16-220.home.cgocable.net [24.226.16.220]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p27sm9811266qbp.16.2008.11.18.16.02.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:02:50 -0800 (PST) From: "Gary Hartl" To: "FreeBSD Questions" Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:02:48 -0500 Message-ID: <006b01c949da$2985e9f0$7c91bdd0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclJ2iblCbTRsOhTS1GjUn+m/W+0Nw== Content-Language: en-ca x-cr-hashedpuzzle: hPs= ATox Ai2q CU6D ENgP FEcW F0/e F737 Iduw I4V/ JfgD Jm7O J9RP J9Rh KNaa KkPS; 1; ZgByAGUAZQBiAHMAZAAtAHEAdQBlAHMAdABpAG8AbgBzAEAAZgByAGUAZQBiAHMAZAAuAG8AcgBnAA==; Sosha1_v1; 7; {68C8D343-7EE1-4E0F-8939-F226A7D2468B}; ZwBoAGEAcgB0AGwAQABnAG0AYQBpAGwALgBjAG8AbQA=; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:02:46 GMT; UgB1AG4AbgBpAG4AZwAgAFgAIAB3AGkAdABoAG8AdQB0ACAAYQAgAHYAaQBkAGUAbwBjAGEAcgBkAA== x-cr-puzzleid: {68C8D343-7EE1-4E0F-8939-F226A7D2468B} Subject: Running X without a videocard X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:02:53 -0000 Hi all; More questions... I am running FBSD-stable 6.0 on some Sun Netra X1's so it is sparc64. There is no video card on these puppies. But I seem to recall that we ran solaris X using WinAXE or VNC or something like that I'm wondering if it is possible to do the same with FBSD. Thanks Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 00:11:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DC63106567B for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:11:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from smtpauth.surewest.net (smtpauth.surewest.net [66.60.130.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 316068FC0A for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:11:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (unknown [69.62.230.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtpauth.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B9E9A2FF; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:10:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (bigdaddy.mykitchentable.net [192.168.1.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B2F7F164D43; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:10:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4923598F.2080601@mykitchentable.net> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:10:55 -0800 From: Drew Tomlinson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <49235108.2030907@mykitchentable.net> <20081119010109.5eff6215.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20081119010109.5eff6215.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: FBSD 7.1 & kern.maxdsiz X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:11:03 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:34:32 -0800, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > >> The Urchin installation docs [...] >> contain a note for FreeBSD users waring of a "hard coded process datasiz >> limit of 500 MB" and instruct on to set "kern.maxdsiz="1073741824"" in >> /boot/loader.conf. However FBSD 7.1 doesn't appear to have this >> sysctl. How can I do the equivalent of this in FBSD 7.1? >> > > Exactly, it is *not* a sysctl setting. It's a loader tunable, as > I learned from this list some time ago. Don't search to find > it in the sysctl list, you won't find it there. :-) > > In FreeBSD 7 you should be able to set this setting using > the file /boot/loader.conf. I think I had this setting on a > FreeBSD 5 machine, I'll go and check. > Thanks for your reply. I guess I expected to be able to view it via sysctl even though I understood it could only be changed with a reboot. Is there some way to view the current setting? Thanks, Drew -- Be a Great Magician! Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse http://www.alchemistswarehouse.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 00:15:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F31B1065674 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:15:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kellymartin@gmail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E5818FC19 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:15:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kellymartin@gmail.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 6so1275511eyi.7 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:15:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=yZqLymIwurzhj5E3b4PJYzc+9Awq5zkVmX6F4eIlgUo=; b=ML7c/P8GY0ADuNFfZK7yF/SqEkX8nvl9KdYe0eHeNXGzQXlgvp0Y3nZK46WRgGoa2t NBEJdeoCfGz8p2ruOhcBykzH+/2WzOKXj6Sy47kMKvChXMmk1D0Y1A2XJjRghMZstd5u ArYqfs5KbdGpKFRjxouQZZTjPwpVQjTI+HNmY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=fF8J1AJcFc5X5bp0+NLI4CEJ6YaQckNDmOLN2DXmsWbpHCnmD0yux2Ajr5rndQtSzQ dgnP0lpNpNkamwoop3Nkk93338c68aCz6ibpO0FwuOpqteHiM8iW+9ZRRiuiJtJrvIkJ 8OxzcqXGXhtLHCKlx2d8758BjtynRP2Qwf61s= Received: by 10.103.131.18 with SMTP id i18mr148511mun.120.1227052040075; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:47:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.181.1 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:47:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1338880b0811181547s191b3170nefe5525f112bbcc2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:47:20 -0700 From: "Kelly Martin" To: "FreeBSD Questions" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: preparing for an upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:15:02 -0000 With the release of FreeBSD 6.4 imminent, I'd like to prepare for an upgrade from FreeBSD 6.2 -> 6.4. Please excuse my ignorance but in my mind here's what I plan to do when it's available: 1. install / run the upgrade script using CD-ROM media to a 6.4 GENERIC kernel, reboot 2. customize the kernel to my hardware (like I did in 6.2), reboot 3. portsnap fetch update (to get the latest ports tree for 6.4) 4. portupgrade -ai (to upgrade any outdated ports) Will this work? I'm a little confused about different versions of the ports tree. What I mean is, I keep updating my FreeBSD 6.2 ports tree and have never had any problems... it just works. I'm assuming the 6.4 ports tree is a little different and specific to 6.4? The port system is **so much better** than using ports on my OpenBSD systems! thanks, kelly From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 00:19:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB991065677 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:19:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bill@ayn.mi.celestial.com) Received: from ayn.mi.celestial.com (hayek.celestial.com [192.136.111.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36AE38FC08 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:19:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bill@ayn.mi.celestial.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ayn.mi.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5EBD68034541; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:19:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mi.celestial.com Received: from ayn.mi.celestial.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ayn.mi.celestial.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id ajApb7qgeFeY; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:19:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by ayn.mi.celestial.com (Postfix, from userid 203) id A9B24680028F4; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:19:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:19:52 -0800 From: Bill Campbell To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081119001952.GA28809@ayn.mi.celestial.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <006b01c949da$2985e9f0$7c91bdd0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <006b01c949da$2985e9f0$7c91bdd0$@com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 OpenPKG/% (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: Running X without a videocard X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@celestial.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:19:53 -0000 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008, Gary Hartl wrote: >Hi all; > >More questions... > >I am running FBSD-stable 6.0 on some Sun Netra X1's so it is sparc64. >There is no video card on these puppies. But I seem to recall that we ran >solaris X using WinAXE or VNC or something like that > >I'm wondering if it is possible to do the same with FBSD. You should be able to run X clients on the remote machine easily via ssh. There's no requirement for video cards, only that the appropriate X11 software be installed on the remote system. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@celestial.com Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way Voice: (206) 236-1676 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820 Fax: (206) 232-9186 Blessed are the young, for they shall inherit the national debt. -- Herbert Hoover From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 01:14:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0992E1065670 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:14:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghartl@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A5A8FC0A for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:14:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghartl@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so1357504ywe.13 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:14:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references :in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=dMaWKe7Zda8gt3unDGwSHs48QLInwDc7UipkRiKtayk=; b=csjld708Mub7rTM5ttTAI8sja9otz8FFCBLTsGR4lrlnvDMKRkQu1aAxmhjkLJkCIZ h/e4mhxXDpO51A5BozoS5bll4nQ2+PYmP3HNuQPoQr8TpRsGcIZ51HFUkPpAJBdo14bd PgOLXgrXwRtUWNcg6rS1mvMMW480LlJRE17VE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; b=efaMW12Wbla0kR3KVbgEd/Z8HOnXJs92//lFFtjo0bEh/Ym4Omm+id3zpnIJugiqXT Cfw+wjq47g/poYe1Day8kIZM6L9ISXlhjF5T7k61EOnKcH+sLg4H9PUvVqUt5aCT/JbH BgJfwQTz2gVonVvVKaycwfB3R8oPw5VI6KdrU= Received: by 10.65.215.14 with SMTP id s14mr587236qbq.5.1227057285574; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:14:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mainpc (d226-16-220.home.cgocable.net [24.226.16.220]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p27sm9922956qbp.16.2008.11.18.17.14.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:14:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Gary Hartl" To: , References: <006b01c949da$2985e9f0$7c91bdd0$@com> <20081119001952.GA28809@ayn.mi.celestial.com> In-Reply-To: <20081119001952.GA28809@ayn.mi.celestial.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:14:44 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c949e4$35403020$9fc09060$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclJ3J4MNVv4vDoMSo25P0GXd0EBHAABstyA Content-Language: en-ca Cc: Subject: RE: Running X without a videocard X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:14:47 -0000 Whoa this is way beyond me I think...can you direct me to a howto or the like. X11 over SSH good lord....i'm out of touch with *NIX.. Am i to understand that i could run a pretty nice (not gnome or kde) but one of the less intense interfaces over ssh (this is on an internal network so connection speed isn't an issue. 6 years, and I have admin alzheimers' Thanks Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Bill Campbell Sent: November-18-08 7:20 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Running X without a videocard On Tue, Nov 18, 2008, Gary Hartl wrote: >Hi all; > >More questions... > >I am running FBSD-stable 6.0 on some Sun Netra X1's so it is sparc64. >There is no video card on these puppies. But I seem to recall that we ran >solaris X using WinAXE or VNC or something like that > >I'm wondering if it is possible to do the same with FBSD. You should be able to run X clients on the remote machine easily via ssh. There's no requirement for video cards, only that the appropriate X11 software be installed on the remote system. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@celestial.com Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way Voice: (206) 236-1676 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820 Fax: (206) 232-9186 Blessed are the young, for they shall inherit the national debt. -- Herbert Hoover _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 01:15:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 414531065687 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:15:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6D0F8FC1C for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:15:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJ1Fi1O093604; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:15:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAJ1FiaN093601; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:15:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:15:44 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Andrew Gould In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20081118195327.GG4787@kokopelli.hydra> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:15:45 -0700 (MST) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] printing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:15:46 -0000 On Tue, 18 Nov 2008, Andrew Gould wrote: > So the bottom line is: "Get a postscript printer." They're rather > expensive. Not always: http://wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/usedlasers.pdf Thanks to Ghostscript, PCL printers will also work. > It may be worth the inconvenience of sharing drive space and > printing from the Mac via VNC window. ;-) That would be the easiest way, and probably the highest quality if you're printing images. Gutenprint will probably drive the Epson Artisan 800 soon if it doesn't already, but you might want to reconsider after this review: http://reviews.cnet.com/multifunction-devices/epson-artisan-800/4505-3181_7-33241287.html?tag=mncol;txt -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 01:41:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D241065672 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:41:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07BC28FC1F for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:41:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 6so1284640eyi.7 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:41:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=IELCXZnRkaiKFgaQl5ftpLCt9UeEKPT0+YHIOHLhJII=; b=eBSvrnSwU1MHlESqW8qvmYCw5dt2ElgInGdEhVVfBkwyfiXGeDjs7EMEB0BmXPbsDk MAuj2kTB1CXiPrj2sFpVmabxVO8lN7pmiZWiDfloPv0Vw5A+9A+qzquCfdpfThypNGeX 8JXhZruzBDlK9d34LqKPa8rNlH0UHL1VmWJkY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=h9Bw7z69m39T4ejXZlTQhmvdFTY8sb4oVYM4vhREGB93o7FkgYhqBmiPwgMkez99iJ f0g7PHBA/0gsJxde9ktttpN+q3oBREnZ7kYaRB5WRkj6rKAiHeiHEVz+4E5fXl+FBE+n RYwxGb78GEJ8rxcRudY3PsrZhN4FBh1OotMbo= Received: by 10.103.241.15 with SMTP id t15mr182480mur.85.1227058861699; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:41:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.221.4 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:41:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:41:01 -0600 From: "Andrew Gould" To: "Warren Block" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081118195327.GG4787@kokopelli.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] printing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:41:04 -0000 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 7:15 PM, Warren Block wrote: > On Tue, 18 Nov 2008, Andrew Gould wrote: > > So the bottom line is: "Get a postscript printer." They're rather >> expensive. >> > > Not always: > > http://wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/usedlasers.pdf > > Thanks to Ghostscript, PCL printers will also work. > > It may be worth the inconvenience of sharing drive space and >> printing from the Mac via VNC window. ;-) >> > > That would be the easiest way, and probably the highest quality if you're > printing images. Gutenprint will probably drive the Epson Artisan 800 soon > if it doesn't already, but you might want to reconsider after this review: > > > http://reviews.cnet.com/multifunction-devices/epson-artisan-800/4505-3181_7-33241287.html?tag=mncol;txt > > -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA > Thanks for the links. The artisan appears to be a real mixed bag. Andrew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 01:46:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD48106564A for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:46:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jakub.tlck@gmail.com) Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53F618FC0C for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:46:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jakub.tlck@gmail.com) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f30so2947334qba.35 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:46:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=cQgyXjED9zi/F7uVM7LiywQCHpZ7l3GUCWHV0CgNhFQ=; b=IXOLGIAfpXZ8T4YbTgDUvQ2luQ+G5kJUKZUZ8z8ZsFjjW17yq2uM3HM5jc8jaduZq1 eeNgPl4ZMtEx8G6dr3+hBtPiZRfT6kFtUDW4SDKLkLsRr6Yisn5d+GqyPNIlTMowDnny SvsRtG+7LJjVN+PfNRLGPJ9Vwr1FiHXwU/MzY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=YjIoMDdXDRxCtiPjbLINABssVubKmmPf+faXY4TLOmnUHqEad54B0MPotvYPJD0NAq cvtJAzWU1v8rsn+HlLSvb39de2c1wqsCfHFl9xKKsrhbeb0EKMi2gDwgp7jZFN8yEgbn LUqd61Nw/W65jD8+sViyyaMHeQOEvtAzAmwRA= Received: by 10.142.105.13 with SMTP id d13mr224894wfc.196.1227059161197; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:46:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.187.7 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:46:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <42b840be0811181746w13c33badj99854a188d0dd00f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:46:01 +0100 From: "Jakub T" To: "Luke Dean" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <42b840be0811150949i1a8e0251tea94d8824cf4458f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Port forwarding behind two routers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:46:02 -0000 2008/11/15 Luke Dean > > Port-forwarding through two NATs is something I've never had any success > with. I have a few suggestions that have worked for me and my friends with > this setup. > > A) Disable NAT on the ADSL router. I think the term is "bridged mode". > Turn it into a dumb box and shift all the NAT/firewall/routing > responsibilities over to your wireless router. Depending on your ISP, the > hardware, and the protocols involved, this may not be an option for you. > > B) Disable NAT on the wireless router. This allows it to be a simple > switch and wireless access point. The price is that you're probably relying > on the DHCP server in the wireless router for your wireless devices and > you'll have to disable the DHCP when you disable NAT. This creates new > problems to be solved. > > C) Plug the FreeBSD box into the ADSL router, skipping the wireless router. > Your wireless devices will still be double-NATted, but if you're not > running servers on them, you might be able to live with that. > > Luke, Thank you very much, your advices were very helpful and I now have a working port forwarding through two routers. Sorry for the delay in the answering, it took me some time to test various options... Actually your (A) advice is what did the job. I turned off DHCP server on ADSL router and enabled "NAT - DMZ Host" option on it (for which I realized that it was the closest to your description of "bridged mode"). Then I configured the wireless router to use static IP config instead of expecting DHCP server. The situation is now this: INTERNET | telephone/adsl-wire | | ADSL router wan : xx.xx.xx.xx FreeBSD box (wired) lan : 192.168.1.1 ip: 192.168.0.102 | laptop gateway: 192.168.0.1 | (wireless) | [internet plug] ip: 192.168.0.101 | Wireless router gateway: 192.168.0.1 | wan : 192.168.1.2 : | lan : 192.168.0.1 . . . . . : | [ethernet plug] | | | +-------------------------------------------+ DMZ host for ADSL router is 192.168.1.2 -- and it works! I have one question more (forgive my ignorance): now the wireless router is configured to use static IP config and I must provide one or more "Static DNS servers" to it. Is it ok to type just "192.168.1.1" as DNS (which works for now) or to copy DNS servers which are automatically provided to the ADSL router by the ISP? Once again, thank you. Jakub From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 02:16:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 755331065670 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:16:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sung.park@lnkcom.com) Received: from lnkcom.com (mail.lnkcom.com [209.136.0.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D99E18FC0A for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:16:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sung.park@lnkcom.com) Received: from coredual [209.136.0.43] by lnkcom.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.07) id AC1A31A00DE; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:30:02 -0500 From: "Sung Park" To: Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:52:01 -0500 Message-ID: <018401c949e9$6a3eadb0$3ebc0910$@park@lnkcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclJ3CtWmSOoyJf2RIWwbzXtgeEKcgADTd0w Content-Language: en-us Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Speed Test in PC5750 verizon card X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:16:27 -0000 Hello, I use PC5750 verizon air card in FreeBSD 6.3 with ugencom device driver. It works fine but I only get 240Kbps upload and download speed even I got EDVO connection. When I test it in Windows, I got 1.4Mbps for download and 750Kbps for upload speed. I try so many staff and search but I couldn't find a solution. If anyone has similar experience then share with me. Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 02:58:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D412106564A for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:58:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kitchetech@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.155]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC318FC08 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:58:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kitchetech@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so2534210fgb.35 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:58:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=MuIQg69/aqnBTuGhXZ5wQ3slvw6L1q9n7IkYEV0kKXE=; b=ti8DUBX7qWPPk8hMqDkJq1YeDN1Om4mo1lUYozplaI0pxSHat7bSMZOINpYU42cCBX P2qCcZbwtuM2y+e+je/rS7Xvtp7vVCDN8ZSeubzX/lgN45NYuVocYvzT/U985MEJcoZj aDf2mf+Ojj3r2xnAv1Mso9WHTwFFJPZElE7bQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=ID52YamWxBn+mqcocAk79l8NXgCROK3K86knWLbU2RbFPyVaIUmyK1bqQ7tVgymQiF XWIlISXeiDgSUFT83NMrOZL3jVot9vgO1f2lU8IGumcHr8HRhoZKqqes2OqigXXqA5wf eQM7MvHrTCaqIkuLtDJDI3RnABEW8H3TN+nUk= Received: by 10.181.10.10 with SMTP id n10mr165833bki.15.1227063519907; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:58:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.205.7 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:58:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <28283d910811181858g476245w3b26454872896e04@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:58:39 -0500 From: "matt donovan" To: "Kelly Martin" In-Reply-To: <1338880b0811181547s191b3170nefe5525f112bbcc2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1338880b0811181547s191b3170nefe5525f112bbcc2@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: preparing for an upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:58:41 -0000 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Kelly Martin wrote: > With the release of FreeBSD 6.4 imminent, I'd like to prepare for an > upgrade from FreeBSD 6.2 -> 6.4. Please excuse my ignorance but in my > mind here's what I plan to do when it's available: > > 1. install / run the upgrade script using CD-ROM media to a 6.4 > GENERIC kernel, reboot > 2. customize the kernel to my hardware (like I did in 6.2), reboot > 3. portsnap fetch update (to get the latest ports tree for 6.4) > 4. portupgrade -ai (to upgrade any outdated ports) > > Will this work? > > I'm a little confused about different versions of the ports tree. What > I mean is, I keep updating my FreeBSD 6.2 ports tree and have never > had any problems... it just works. I'm assuming the 6.4 ports tree is > a little different and specific to 6.4? The port system is **so much > better** than using ports on my OpenBSD systems! > > thanks, > kelly > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" no ports doesn't go to a certain release, once a FreeBSD version is no longer support you can bet that some ports will not work correctly on that version. for example the ports you have now is the same as on 7.x From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 03:45:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D820B106564A for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:45:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+32=deb980d3@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from fallback-in1.mxes.net (fallback-out1.mxes.net [216.86.168.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D7108FC18 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:45:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+32=deb980d3@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from mxout-08.mxes.net (mxout-08.mxes.net [216.86.168.183]) by fallback-in1.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D0751648DB for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:28:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (unknown [87.81.140.128]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C975BD05A9 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:28:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:28:48 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081119032848.6ba1a31f@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20081118151048.GA60507@icarus.home.lan> References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118123147.GA96005@ei.bzerk.org> <94136a2c0811180444n51cae14bg70654bc7b93445f8@mail.gmail.com> <20081118141648.M84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118154009.2e3be393.usselmann.m@icg-online.de> <20081118151048.GA60507@icarus.home.lan> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:45:43 -0000 On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:10:48 -0800 Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > Cygwin is an atrocity, Why's that? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 03:56:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDD4D1065675 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:56:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1BB9A8FC17 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:56:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: (qmail 5678 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2008 03:56:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO blizzard.dnsalias.org) (218.215.188.65) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 19 Nov 2008 03:56:05 -0000 Received: by blizzard.dnsalias.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1099B17067; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:56:07 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:56:07 +1100 From: andrew clarke To: michael Message-ID: <20081119035607.GA45210@ozzmosis.com> References: <000e01c94999$a7532dc0$f5f98940$@com> <20081118215409.GA32945@ozzmosis.com> <49233C74.9040401@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <49233C74.9040401@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Media Center X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:56:09 -0000 On Tue 2008-11-18 17:06:44 UTC-0500, michael (michael.copeland@gmail.com) wrote: >> 550 MHz will be a bit slow for playing DivX/XviD movies, especially if >> they're high definition (beyond 640x480 approx). Presumably Windows >> is installed on it at the moment, so you can give the Windows version >> of VLC a test run. >> >> The RAM & HDD specs are fine. Provided the laptop's integrated video >> and networking is supported, you should be good to go. > > Actually, an AMD k6-2 450 will play over 720 resolution divx. mplayer > with a proper cache setting and enough ram helps massively. Ah, I use mplayer occasionally but never -cache setting. What do you use on the K6-2 450? Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 03:58:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D5321065673 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:58:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AFBC18FC08 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:58:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: (qmail 6003 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2008 03:58:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO blizzard.dnsalias.org) (218.215.188.65) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 19 Nov 2008 03:58:35 -0000 Received: by blizzard.dnsalias.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 96D0317067; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:58:36 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:58:36 +1100 From: andrew clarke To: Gary Hartl Message-ID: <20081119035836.GB45210@ozzmosis.com> References: <006b01c949da$2985e9f0$7c91bdd0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <006b01c949da$2985e9f0$7c91bdd0$@com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Running X without a videocard X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:58:38 -0000 On Tue 2008-11-18 19:02:48 UTC-0500, Gary Hartl (ghartl@gmail.com) wrote: > I am running FBSD-stable 6.0 on some Sun Netra X1's so it is sparc64. > There is no video card on these puppies. But I seem to recall that we ran > solaris X using WinAXE or VNC or something like that > > I'm wondering if it is possible to do the same with FBSD. I use vncserver from the net/tightvnc port. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 04:07:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDF0A106564A for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 04:07:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeffrey@goldmark.org) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A72A8FC0C for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 04:07:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeffrey@goldmark.org) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.internal [10.202.2.41]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC4561B77E0; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:07:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from heartbeat2.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.161]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:07:25 -0500 X-Sasl-enc: EkdqpLW9oEP4QYh991BvMPjgmHx1YJnCOIqQyXml/Zje 1227067645 Received: from hagrid.ewd.goldmark.org (n114.ewd.goldmark.org [72.64.118.114]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A333A2A372; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:07:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <519DC9CC-29C4-437B-9AA7-2A7BE68D02D3@goldmark.org> From: Jeffrey Goldberg To: Paul B. Mahol In-Reply-To: <3a142e750811180645g4b32541ek90a80d4d8fe71beb@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:07:23 -0600 References: <20081116125622.E24752@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081117172100.GB43367@hub.freebsd.org> <3a142e750811180645g4b32541ek90a80d4d8fe71beb@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: large binary, why not strip ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 04:07:26 -0000 On Nov 18, 2008, at 8:45 AM, Paul B. Mahol wrote: > And what about /usr/local/lib/** ? Interesting. I found that only 11 are stripped on my system compared to 272 not stripped That is pretty much the opposite of the ratio I round in /usr/local/ bin where there were something like 350 stripped and only 35 not stripped. Cheers, -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 04:07:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A10461065718 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 04:07:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D29588FC13 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 04:07:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: (qmail 9876 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2008 04:07:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO blizzard.dnsalias.org) (218.215.188.65) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 19 Nov 2008 04:07:32 -0000 Received: by blizzard.dnsalias.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id F188817067; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:07:32 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:07:32 +1100 From: andrew clarke To: Kelly Martin Message-ID: <20081119040732.GC45210@ozzmosis.com> References: <1338880b0811181547s191b3170nefe5525f112bbcc2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1338880b0811181547s191b3170nefe5525f112bbcc2@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: preparing for an upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 04:07:35 -0000 On Tue 2008-11-18 16:47:20 UTC-0700, Kelly Martin (kellymartin@gmail.com) wrote: > With the release of FreeBSD 6.4 imminent, I'd like to prepare for an > upgrade from FreeBSD 6.2 -> 6.4. Have you considered using freebsd-update? From memory, it supports 6.2. > Please excuse my ignorance but in my mind here's what I plan to do > when it's available: > > 1. install / run the upgrade script using CD-ROM media to a 6.4 > GENERIC kernel, reboot > 2. customize the kernel to my hardware (like I did in 6.2), reboot > 3. portsnap fetch update (to get the latest ports tree for 6.4) > 4. portupgrade -ai (to upgrade any outdated ports) I don't think there will be any need to rebuild your ports after upgrading from 6.2 to 6.4. (The situation is different if you were going from 6.2 to 7.1 though.) > Will this work? > > I'm a little confused about different versions of the ports tree. What > I mean is, I keep updating my FreeBSD 6.2 ports tree and have never > had any problems... it just works. I'm assuming the 6.4 ports tree is > a little different and specific to 6.4? No, there is only one ports tree shared between all FreeBSD versions. If you already have an updated ports tree with a 6.2 installation, you can keep using that with 6.4 (or even 7.x). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 05:32:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A53106564A for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:32:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq2.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq2.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.34.165]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB788FC08 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:32:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from [212.54.34.136] (port=47096 helo=smtp5.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq2.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L2fg2-00014Q-Aq for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:32:34 +0100 Received: from cp268254-a.landg1.lb.home.nl ([84.25.65.88] helo=ra.egypt.nl) by smtp5.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L2fg0-0003ci-HM for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:32:32 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (xp.egypt.nl [192.168.13.35]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E644F39841 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:32:26 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4923A4EA.8070002@boosten.org> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:32:26 +0100 From: Peter Boosten User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1L2fg0-0003ci-HM X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-2.6, required 5, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60, SPF_PASS -0.00) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: peter@boosten.org X-Spam-Status: No Subject: mod_auth_ldap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:32:36 -0000 Hi all, Anyone try to compile this one? It stops with a www/mod_auth_ldap (missing header) The header it cannot find is: mod_auth_ldap.c:61:24: error: apr_compat.h: No such file or directory And it's right: the file indeed is not on my system, and it didn't come with apr-gdbm-db44-1.3.3.1.3.4, nor with apache-2.2.9_5. Does anyone have some clues about the solution? TIA Peter -- http://www.boosten.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 05:39:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0BC9106564A for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:39:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 869818FC12 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:39:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gt6i1a01z0lTkoCA6tf0iJ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:39:00 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gtf01a0012P6wsM8Qtf0DZ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:39:00 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=YOI-JzOgO7gA:10 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=9_bOGJ7wDwAketFM6FwA:9 a=pMAREq4KBoK1O6PL94HRs2-H-kQA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D9D8B33C36; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:38:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:38:59 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Masoom Shaikh Message-ID: <20081119053859.GA77425@icarus.home.lan> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: large binary, why not strip ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:39:01 -0000 On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 08:42:12AM +0000, Masoom Shaikh wrote: > most of the programs installed from ports have large binary size on disk > > stripping em all reduces their size dramatically > > I cannot see the reason for not stripping them by default ? > > do I miss anything ? I haven't seen anyone point out the downside to stripping binaries and libraries: removal of debugging symbols. "The apebajs program suddenly crashes in some library, here's the now-completely-useless backtrace". The user is then forced to go back and recompile *everything* to get debugging symbols. The non-stripping situation is on a per-port basis, AFAIK. Not all ports have WITH_DEBUG. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 05:41:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F66E1065673 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:41:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DBC48FC0A for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:41:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.12]) by QMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gtTZ1a0090Fqzac58tgXnV; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:40:31 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gthB1a0012P6wsM3UthB7L; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:41:12 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=Xt93aXcBJGhr7YeLSpIA:9 a=Rtb1RXT7xfnWwsj-wh7Mn1oTfi0A:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=Sllw8v0m4fwA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0E16D33C37; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:41:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:41:11 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Drew Tomlinson Message-ID: <20081119054111.GB77425@icarus.home.lan> References: <49235108.2030907@mykitchentable.net> <20081119010109.5eff6215.freebsd@edvax.de> <4923598F.2080601@mykitchentable.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4923598F.2080601@mykitchentable.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Polytropon , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: FBSD 7.1 & kern.maxdsiz X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:41:14 -0000 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 04:10:55PM -0800, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > Polytropon wrote: >> On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:34:32 -0800, Drew Tomlinson wrote: >> >>> The Urchin installation docs [...] >>> contain a note for FreeBSD users waring of a "hard coded process >>> datasiz limit of 500 MB" and instruct on to set >>> "kern.maxdsiz="1073741824"" in /boot/loader.conf. However FBSD 7.1 >>> doesn't appear to have this sysctl. How can I do the equivalent of >>> this in FBSD 7.1? >>> >> >> Exactly, it is *not* a sysctl setting. It's a loader tunable, as >> I learned from this list some time ago. Don't search to find >> it in the sysctl list, you won't find it there. :-) >> >> In FreeBSD 7 you should be able to set this setting using >> the file /boot/loader.conf. I think I had this setting on a >> FreeBSD 5 machine, I'll go and check. >> > > Thanks for your reply. I guess I expected to be able to view it via > sysctl even though I understood it could only be changed with a reboot. > Is there some way to view the current setting? Through sysctl. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 05:43:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D1481065672 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:43:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08FA68FC1D for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:43:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id goLQ1a00S0lTkoCA3tjNme; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:43:22 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gtjM1a0042P6wsM8QtjMnu; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:43:22 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=ZdM0onb841SZBdRurQ8A:9 a=3dYm9qLdkNPU8dqVUmHyS4rq-k8A:4 a=BvThqnMBffsA:10 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6C38A33C36; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:43:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:43:21 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: andrew clarke Message-ID: <20081119054321.GC77425@icarus.home.lan> References: <1338880b0811181547s191b3170nefe5525f112bbcc2@mail.gmail.com> <20081119040732.GC45210@ozzmosis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081119040732.GC45210@ozzmosis.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Kelly Martin , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: preparing for an upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:43:25 -0000 On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 03:07:32PM +1100, andrew clarke wrote: > On Tue 2008-11-18 16:47:20 UTC-0700, Kelly Martin (kellymartin@gmail.com) wrote: > > > With the release of FreeBSD 6.4 imminent, I'd like to prepare for an > > upgrade from FreeBSD 6.2 -> 6.4. > > Have you considered using freebsd-update? From memory, it supports 6.2. > > > Please excuse my ignorance but in my mind here's what I plan to do > > when it's available: > > > > 1. install / run the upgrade script using CD-ROM media to a 6.4 > > GENERIC kernel, reboot > > 2. customize the kernel to my hardware (like I did in 6.2), reboot > > 3. portsnap fetch update (to get the latest ports tree for 6.4) > > 4. portupgrade -ai (to upgrade any outdated ports) > > I don't think there will be any need to rebuild your ports after > upgrading from 6.2 to 6.4. (The situation is different if you were > going from 6.2 to 7.1 though.) Threading library changes are a good reason to rebuild your ports in this case. > > I'm a little confused about different versions of the ports tree. What > > I mean is, I keep updating my FreeBSD 6.2 ports tree and have never > > had any problems... it just works. I'm assuming the 6.4 ports tree is > > a little different and specific to 6.4? > > No, there is only one ports tree shared between all FreeBSD versions. > If you already have an updated ports tree with a 6.2 installation, you > can keep using that with 6.4 (or even 7.x). You can only use it on 7.x if you add compatibility libraries and ensure your kernel has COMPAT_FREEBSD6 in it. These libraries have given some users trouble in the past; you will find most people advocate rebuilding all ports from scratch (pkg_delete -af please) when upgrading between major FreeBSD versions (e.g. 6.x -> 7.x). -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 06:14:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4867106564A for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:14:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ben@b1c1l1.com) Received: from lancer.b1c1l1.com (lancer.b1c1l1.com [72.13.86.100]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B1338FC08 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:14:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ben@b1c1l1.com) Received: from supra.b1c1l1.com (c-24-7-82-201.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.7.82.201]) by lancer.b1c1l1.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 284515C21; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:14:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4923AE9E.6090407@b1c1l1.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:13:50 -0800 From: Benjamin Lee User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081008) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeremy Chadwick References: <1338880b0811181547s191b3170nefe5525f112bbcc2@mail.gmail.com> <20081119040732.GC45210@ozzmosis.com> <20081119054321.GC77425@icarus.home.lan> In-Reply-To: <20081119054321.GC77425@icarus.home.lan> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigD9ABF74BDCA43541ACBDBB47" Cc: Kelly Martin , andrew clarke , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: preparing for an upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:14:02 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigD9ABF74BDCA43541ACBDBB47 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/18/08 21:43, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: [...] > You can only use it on 7.x if you add compatibility libraries and ensur= e > your kernel has COMPAT_FREEBSD6 in it. These libraries have given some= > users trouble in the past; you will find most people advocate rebuildin= g > all ports from scratch (pkg_delete -af please) when upgrading between > major FreeBSD versions (e.g. 6.x -> 7.x). Is there a particular reason that you recommend using pkg_delete? 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:27:31 -0000 On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:17:09 -0800 Gary Kline wrote: > > I'm looking to write a simple program to extract stuff from Project > Gutenberg's books (--of whivh there are tens ofthousands thanks to > Michael HArt and his volunteers). There is no collection of > metaphors in the public domain, and it wouldn't take that much coding if > there were a database with [...] Hi Gary, I am not *entirely* sure what you are after, but wordnet comes to mind : [betom@ayiin] [Wed Nov 19 17:26:26 2008] /usr/home/betom $ pkg_info -W `which wn` /usr/local/bin/wn was installed by package WordNet-3.0 [betom@ayiin] [Wed Nov 19 17:25:41 2008] /usr/home/betom $ wn foot -over Overview of noun foot The noun foot has 11 senses (first 7 from tagged texts) 1. (89) foot, human foot, pes -- (the part of the leg of a human being below the ankle joint; "his bare feet projected from his trousers"; "armored from head to foot") 2. (81) foot, ft -- (a linear unit of length equal to 12 inches or a third of a yard; "he is six feet tall") 3. (8) foot -- (the lower part of anything; "curled up on the foot of the bed"; "the foot of the page"; "the foot of the list"; "the foot of the mountain") 4. (4) animal foot, foot -- (the pedal extremity of vertebrates other than human beings) 5. (2) foundation, base, fundament, foot, groundwork, substructure, understructure -- (lowest support of a structure; "it was built on a base of solid rock"; "he stood at the foot of the tower") 6. (2) foot, invertebrate foot -- (any of various organs of locomotion or attachment in invertebrates) 7. (1) foot -- (travel by walking; "he followed on foot"; "the swiftest of foot") 8. foot -- (a member of a surveillance team who works on foot or rides as a passenger) 9. infantry, foot -- (an army unit consisting of soldiers who fight on foot; "there came ten thousand horsemen and as many fully-armed foot") 10. metrical foot, foot, metrical unit -- ((prosody) a group of 2 or 3 syllables forming the basic unit of poetic rhythm) 11. foot -- (a support resembling a pedal extremity; "one foot of the chair was on the carpet") Overview of verb foot The verb foot has 3 senses (first 1 from tagged texts) 1. (1) foot, pick -- (pay for something; "pick up the tab"; "pick up the burden of high-interest mortgages"; "foot the bill") 2. foot, leg it, hoof, hoof it -- (walk; "let's hoof it to the disco") 3. foot, foot up -- (add a column of numbers) HIH, B _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome "He has Van Gogh's ear for music." Billy Wilder I speak for myself, not my employer. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 06:36:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF4FF1065670 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:36:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0128FC08 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:36:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.43]) by QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gu3W1a0010vyq2s59ucfbr; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:36:39 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gucd1a0092P6wsM3RuceBN; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:36:39 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=ucSBR71MtLWIiSHCyY8A:9 a=7wxAASTtCwZsHf9vaw4A:7 a=bd-4a6z5pHKs7EJB7DKtUeG_lr4A:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5228033C36; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:36:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:36:37 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Benjamin Lee Message-ID: <20081119063637.GD77425@icarus.home.lan> References: <1338880b0811181547s191b3170nefe5525f112bbcc2@mail.gmail.com> <20081119040732.GC45210@ozzmosis.com> <20081119054321.GC77425@icarus.home.lan> <4923AE9E.6090407@b1c1l1.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4923AE9E.6090407@b1c1l1.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Kelly Martin , andrew clarke , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: preparing for an upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:36:40 -0000 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:13:50PM -0800, Benjamin Lee wrote: > On 11/18/08 21:43, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > [...] > > You can only use it on 7.x if you add compatibility libraries and ensure > > your kernel has COMPAT_FREEBSD6 in it. These libraries have given some > > users trouble in the past; you will find most people advocate rebuilding > > all ports from scratch (pkg_delete -af please) when upgrading between > > major FreeBSD versions (e.g. 6.x -> 7.x). > > Is there a particular reason that you recommend using pkg_delete? I > just did 'portupgrade -aRf' for my 6.2 -> 7.0 upgrades. icarus# make all-depends-list /usr/ports/lang/ruby18 /usr/ports/databases/ruby-bdb /usr/ports/databases/db42 /usr/ports/devel/libtool15 So when upgrading your ports, you use... a port? That relies on a other ports of complex nature (a language and Oracle/Sleepycat DB)? Yeah, I'll pass. For example, if you use the base system pkg_* tools and portupgrade, they can get out of sync -- totally rad! I do not use portupgrade for a lot of reasons. All you have to do is examine the freebsd-* mailing lists (mainly -ports and -questions) for problems involving portupgrade. I believe the average is 1 a week? If the tool "gets the job done" for you, use it; I support that right above all else. But as for me, I'm incredibly anal when it comes to UNIX, and I strongly believe in the KISS concept. The only "third-party" tool I'd trust for managing ports would be portmaster, because it's a standalone tool with no dependencies, written in sh, and written by Doug Barton. That's all I have to say. I won't reply from this point on. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 06:50:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 662DA1065678 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:50:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from numardbsd@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B948FC1B for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:50:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from numardbsd@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so1784773wag.27 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:50:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:cc:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:face:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ydGoCDFDNjOKsDrgSc4BRRtZzee+SmtQwsmbA08XtS4=; b=i3EwuIdeg7ZJOQSVdVn/iV2EMFkzmQfs23LVnVr7Wu02WSyIVy+KgSsHf/9oE2dAem tKYkXkx84lhuamA7rs6fvDO83HsQ/ZPImutFKyAYOmMopLsxSm6kClvW3Zwcl12QnfAq 2F0o+jMre01iOxcQ8YAz6hEWYsSZSa3d6g2KI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :face:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=JRMwj9x7E94B5T2N2D/FjPFopCMoLy8YjlrPJh+VIXcSDoRYidTCE8mRZNKMgQhqWK RYJiO49WDRkYxG4fKMRo6sXP22x75p0L7WIJUtpJj17tuoA6i97mn7fFlXZI1qb73bwy p9AN8RZPy2YJxsFWrhVxDKKKa3yhYjOAkrW9Q= Received: by 10.114.133.1 with SMTP id g1mr471512wad.162.1227077402537; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:50:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from ayiin (124-170-4-224.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.170.4.224]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y25sm982181pod.22.2008.11.18.22.49.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:50:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:49:51 +1100 From: Norberto Meijome To: Beat Siegenthaler Message-ID: <20081119174951.09da3350@ayiin> In-Reply-To: References: <20081118120612.A86747@gwdu60.gwdg.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Vuala for FreeBSD (means wuala) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:50:03 -0000 On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:04:00 +0100 Beat Siegenthaler wrote: > wua.la is what you search for.... indeed. > java based, maybe in qemu or linux emulation.. it is java based ..I don't see the need to use qemu or linux emul... 1) the linux tar ball seems to work as is for command line (wualacmd) 2) for the gui version, it complains about not finding a specific version of swt-gtk : $ ./wuala Wuala Loader 2008-09-18 java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: no swt-gtk-3448 or swt-gtk in swt.library.path, java.library.path or the jar file at org.eclipse.swt.internal.Library.loadLibrary(Unknown Source) at org.eclipse.swt.internal.Library.loadLibrary(Unknown Source) at org.eclipse.swt.internal.C.(Unknown Source) at org.eclipse.swt.internal.Converter.wcsToMbcs(Unknown Source) at org.eclipse.swt.internal.Converter.wcsToMbcs(Unknown Source) at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.Display.(Unknown Source) at com.wuala.presentation.r.a(Z:112) at com.wuala.platform.Wuala.launch(Z:22) at com.wuala.loader2.Loader2.startInstance(Loader2.java:60) at com.wuala.loader2.Loader2.start(Loader2.java:44) at com.wuala.loader2.Loader2.main(Loader2.java:107) Shutting down... Had to kill thread Thread[Instance Socket,5,main] Had to kill thread Thread[Instance Socket,5,main] Had to kill thread Thread[Instance Socket,5,main] Had to kill thread Thread[Instance Socket,5,main] I added -classpath /usr/local/share/java/classes to the java call in ./wuala to not avail... I suspect it is an easy fix for someone with more expertise on java than /me. FWIW, the linux tarball is simply a 'downloader', which creates ~/wuala . My brief tests were done on : FreeBSD ayiin.octantis.com.au 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #101: Mon Nov 17 10:22:11 EST 2008 root@ayiin.octantis.com.au:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/AYIIN i386 [...] javavmwrapper-2.3.2 Wrapper script for various Java Virtual Machines jdk-1.6.0.3p4_6 Java Development Kit 1.6.0 swt-devel-3.5.m1,1 Standard Widget Toolkit for Java [..] B _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome "Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to reform." Mark Twain I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 07:05:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB6CA106564A for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:05:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [66.246.138.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 934708FC12 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:05:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id E639819014; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:05:36 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on muon X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.5 Received: from tau.draftnet (unknown [66.45.161.67]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:05:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:05:06 -0800 From: Bruce Cran To: Manfred Usselmann Message-ID: <20081118230506.654b6a82@tau.draftnet> In-Reply-To: <20081118154009.2e3be393.usselmann.m@icg-online.de> References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118123147.GA96005@ei.bzerk.org> <94136a2c0811180444n51cae14bg70654bc7b93445f8@mail.gmail.com> <20081118141648.M84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118154009.2e3be393.usselmann.m@icg-online.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; amd64-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Zbigniew Szalbot , Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:05:39 -0000 On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:40:09 +0100 Manfred Usselmann wrote: > On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:18:13 +0100 (CET) > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > >> usage or need. > > > > > > You seem to be reserving FBSD only for the experts. I wouldn't be > > > here > > > > is someone that simply use unix an expert? > > > > no. > > > > > > > By constantly repeating that UNIX is no Windows replacement you > > > are > > > > and i will repeat it because it's true. it's every other unix > > replacement. > > > > as linux tries for many years to be windows replacement - it's both > > low end unix and low end windows replacement, "windows for poor". > > This is nonsense. The Windows interface itself is quite limited and > not very powerful. Compared e.g. with the old OS/2 desktop, which was > really powerful, flexible (and object oriented). How disappointed I > was when Win/95 came out being an OS/2 user at that time. From what I > have read even the user interface of Mac OS X is much better that > Windows although they have a much smaller market share. Anyhow, of > course you can fully replace Windows with a unix(-like) system and a > suitable desktop enviroment (e.g. KDE, Gnome, XFCE). It depends on > your specific requirements and if applications exist which do what > you need. But saying that GUI's under Unix are per se inferior is > just spreading FUD. Leave that to MS. ;-) > > Just a small example, how limited Windows really is: Even today it is > not possible to configure the standard interface of Windows XP (Luna) > in any other color than blue, olive green and silver. LOL. > I think the fundamental problem with the Windows UI is that it's trying to cater for both advanced (e.g Shutdown, Restart, Sleep, Hibernate or Log Off in Vista) and beginner users (Clippy, lots of wizards) at the same time. As a result it's far too complex for everyday users but doesn't have the flexibility that the really advanced users would like. An example of the complexity can be found in the mouse operations: it's taken for granted that mice have two buttons so Windows Explorer takes advantage of that: for most things you left-click but for others you right-click. I think even that's too much for a lot of people who can't memorise the rules for the different operations - and it's not for lack of trying! It's something that Apple got right: I find OS X to be incredibly limiting since right-click isn't a first-class citizen, keyboard shortcuts aren't enabled by default and it seems to be necessary to move the mouse a lot to get things done. However for most people it works perfectly and is so much simpler that they can learn it much better than they have Windows. I think that's where the likes of Gnome and KDE go wrong too, in trying to cater for two types of users at once and possibly failing both. I think beginners might actually be better off using one of the simpler window managers like Window Maker which have fewer items on the screen with simple rules to get things done. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 08:01:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DDDF106564A for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:01:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from maanjee@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.152]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD468FC13 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:01:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from maanjee@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so2606426fgb.35 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:01:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=JBAuFiDB89RKYx3aHv5vscnDSO4A3KlEVQzBARMng1s=; b=Iue0o+otudu5G57T5mWZu/hgQkrrgm27wUrnIXZ0Jxcxl/qa78rl9X0lim7rPeDXWx /umfulCjIE1/NOtqbtNFMO7+huYtZYzBVxvvGtWIqT4ypSyuTYk4wi1/1VEJCjnJwLGl gqZftRGpaaly17/34eYcZuibJZAL5eTKPmI+M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=qrpkflyCGHlQSPsQ+EW4zCqyWwboxS2Q65p7UAybSDVt4NCTK4obGRrn7pQdvxe9IT JqRnPj7+NeIUKQCPuj58jXfH2nVaCCMHwQxqY8UjoGdsJ+rpRPL1ac1qjwakgPMRx5hE O6AvSb+K6PdQAv37KFahDbmMux5U9xfhukdHk= Received: by 10.181.23.2 with SMTP id a2mr226277bkj.166.1227081702467; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:01:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.181.11.1 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:01:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2cd0a0da0811190001h676586e5hc2a86e0875d8e4f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:01:42 +0100 From: VeeJay To: FreeBSD-Questions , VeeJay In-Reply-To: <2cd0a0da0811181315u367586d9s10e438e399634813@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2cd0a0da0811181315u367586d9s10e438e399634813@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD, OMSA Live CD and DSET tools for Dell 2950 Server? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:01:44 -0000 Any Help??? On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:15 PM, VeeJay wrote: > Any help??? > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 4:41 PM, VeeJay wrote: > >> Hello there, >> >> To diagnose and solve a Disk Encluser issue, I am advised to run two >> tools.... >> >> 1. Run OMSA live CD on the Server? Since, OMSA Live CD is linux based, I >> am just wondering if it will work or not? >> 2. Run Dell's DSET Tool, which is also for Linux systems.... >> >> And seeking your comments in this regards: >> >> >> *Server Configuration with FreeBSD 7.0* >> ** >> *2 x PE2950 III Quad Core Xeon E5450 3.0GHz,2x6MB,1333FSB >> *Riser with PCI Express Support (2x PCIe x8 slots; 1x PCIe x4 slot) >> PE2950 English rack power cord >> PE2950 Bezel Assembly >> *16GB (8x2GB Dual Rank DIMMs) 667MHz FBD >> 6 x 450GB SAS 15k 3.5" HD Hot Plug* >> PE2950 III - Chassis 3.5HDD x6 Backplane >> *PERC 6/i, Integrated Controller Card x6 backplane >> *CD/DVD Drive Cable >> 8X DVD-ROM Drive IDE >> PE2950 III Redundant Power Supply No Power Cord >> Rack Power Distribution Unit Power Cord >> TCP/IP Offload Engine 2P >> Broadcom TCP/IP Offload Engine functionality (TOE) Not Enabled >> Drac 5 Card >> *PE2950 III C5 MSS R10 Add-in PERC 5/i / 6/i >> * >> >> -- >> Thanks! >> >> BR / vj >> > > > > -- > Thanks! > > BR / vj > -- Thanks! BR / vj From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 08:15:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F9641065672 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:15:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 828168FC20 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:15:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gw1H1a0090b6N64AAwFEGX; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:15:14 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gwFD1a0052P6wsM8PwFDzs; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:15:14 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qCjtL2Wk6TIA:10 a=KG1rv5LgSEMA:10 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=CckslpW8PWk9W2YpdzQA:9 a=J8O7zKdLbatz8v-lmkYA:7 a=F9P7akdRZ2b75BZUQ4gpCJwSRe4A:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 38F1033C36; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:15:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:15:13 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: VeeJay Message-ID: <20081119081513.GA80401@icarus.home.lan> References: <2cd0a0da0811181315u367586d9s10e438e399634813@mail.gmail.com> <2cd0a0da0811190001h676586e5hc2a86e0875d8e4f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2cd0a0da0811190001h676586e5hc2a86e0875d8e4f@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: FreeBSD-Questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD, OMSA Live CD and DSET tools for Dell 2950 Server? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:15:14 -0000 On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 09:01:42AM +0100, VeeJay wrote: > Any Help??? > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:15 PM, VeeJay wrote: > > > Any help??? > > > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 4:41 PM, VeeJay wrote: > > > >> Hello there, > >> > >> To diagnose and solve a Disk Encluser issue, I am advised to run two > >> tools.... > >> > >> 1. Run OMSA live CD on the Server? Since, OMSA Live CD is linux based, I > >> am just wondering if it will work or not? > >> 2. Run Dell's DSET Tool, which is also for Linux systems.... > >> > >> And seeking your comments in this regards: > >> > >> > >> *Server Configuration with FreeBSD 7.0* > >> ** > >> *2 x PE2950 III Quad Core Xeon E5450 3.0GHz,2x6MB,1333FSB > >> *Riser with PCI Express Support (2x PCIe x8 slots; 1x PCIe x4 slot) > >> PE2950 English rack power cord > >> PE2950 Bezel Assembly > >> *16GB (8x2GB Dual Rank DIMMs) 667MHz FBD > >> 6 x 450GB SAS 15k 3.5" HD Hot Plug* > >> PE2950 III - Chassis 3.5HDD x6 Backplane > >> *PERC 6/i, Integrated Controller Card x6 backplane > >> *CD/DVD Drive Cable > >> 8X DVD-ROM Drive IDE > >> PE2950 III Redundant Power Supply No Power Cord > >> Rack Power Distribution Unit Power Cord > >> TCP/IP Offload Engine 2P > >> Broadcom TCP/IP Offload Engine functionality (TOE) Not Enabled > >> Drac 5 Card > >> *PE2950 III C5 MSS R10 Add-in PERC 5/i / 6/i Replying "ANY HELP?" every 24 hours will not get you any help. Please stop doing this. If the OMSA CD is bootable, boot it and do what Dell tells you. If it's a CD full of Linux utilities, then you're going to need to install or run Linux somehow before accomplishing that. Trying to do this on FreeBSD is probably not worth your time. Regarding DSET: same advice as above. When you're finished dealing with all of this, I would highly recommend taking the time to write a professional and concise letter to a supervisor or manager at Dell, and express your displeasure with their Linux-only tools. They should at least be providing ISO images you can burn and boot directly to perform enclosure/controller testing. But I also hope you've learned something from the experience. Before you buy hardware, ensure that it's fully manageable under FreeBSD, or that the vendor offers bootable CDs that can help you. Otherwise, if they do not, you're essentially "living dangerously". -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 08:40:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28FDE106567A for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:40:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.26.172.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C938FC0C for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:40:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id mAJ8epGm047534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:40:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id mAJ8eovK047533; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:40:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA19185; Wed, 19 Nov 08 00:30:33 PST Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:34:33 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: andrewlylegould@gmail.com Message-Id: <4923cf99.7+RNqfwVfIYYx3OW%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <20081118195327.GG4787@kokopelli.hydra> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [OT] printing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:40:52 -0000 > So the bottom line is: "Get a postscript printer." They're > rather expensive ... I got a Samsung ML-2571N for well under $100 at Fry's something like a year ago; granted that was a sale price, dunno regular. It speaks PostScript and lpd, so no need to bother with drivers or CUPS; all it needs is a printcap entry. (BTW it also works seamlessly from MacOS X.) One small caution: there is also an ML-2571 without the N -- it may have a different letter -- which is not networked, dunno if that one handles PostScript. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 08:42:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66B611065673 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:42:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A6F8FC16 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:42:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.185] (unknown [192.168.0.185]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB74C409A for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:13:39 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4923A4EA.8070002@boosten.org> References: <4923A4EA.8070002@boosten.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:13:09 +1000 Message-Id: <1227075189.4296.4.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3 (2.12.3-5.fc8) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: mod_auth_ldap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:42:31 -0000 On Wed, 2008-11-19 at 06:32 +0100, Peter Boosten wrote: > Hi all, > > Anyone try to compile this one? > It stops with a > www/mod_auth_ldap (missing header) > > The header it cannot find is: > mod_auth_ldap.c:61:24: error: apr_compat.h: No such file or directory > > And it's right: the file indeed is not on my system, and it didn't come > with apr-gdbm-db44-1.3.3.1.3.4, nor with apache-2.2.9_5. > > Does anyone have some clues about the solution? Try the APR utilities port. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 09:07:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 774261065672 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:07:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 934178FC0C for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:07:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJ97Ftk004278; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:07:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAJ97EfL004275; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:07:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:07:14 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Bruce Cran In-Reply-To: <20081118230506.654b6a82@tau.draftnet> Message-ID: <20081119100646.F4220@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118123147.GA96005@ei.bzerk.org> <94136a2c0811180444n51cae14bg70654bc7b93445f8@mail.gmail.com> <20081118141648.M84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118154009.2e3be393.usselmann.m@icg-online.de> <20081118230506.654b6a82@tau.draftnet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Zbigniew Szalbot , Manfred Usselmann , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:07:28 -0000 > I think the fundamental problem with the Windows UI is that it's trying > to cater for both advanced (e.g Shutdown, Restart, Sleep, Hibernate or well funny - that being able to restart is being advanced user. good to know. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 09:37:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FC37106567A for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:37:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA518FC17 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:37:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.185] (unknown [192.168.0.185]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA7EB4093 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:01:53 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:01:23 +1000 Message-Id: <1227074483.4296.2.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3 (2.12.3-5.fc8) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [OT] printing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:37:40 -0000 On Tue, 2008-11-18 at 10:49 -0600, Andrew Gould wrote: > Time to buy a new printer. I don't print much from FreeBSD; but the need > occasionally arises. Most of my printing is done while using Mac OS X. The > Epson Artisan 800 is looking awfully nice; but it's not in the Linux > printing database yet (http://openprinting.org/printer_list.cgi). > > Question: Since Mac OS X uses CUPS, if I share the printer on the Mac, will > I need to worry about FreeBSD compatibility of the printer? I only need > printing functions (not scan, etc) for the FreeBSD computer. My understanding of this may be flawed, but from what I read years ago you should be able to use a pass thru filter (driver) and let the Mac do the hard work. It may be a slower way to print though, but based on your outline of the quantity you do print it should suffice. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 09:43:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81E3F106564A for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:43:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A2098FC0A for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:43:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from [212.54.42.139] (port=36508 helo=smtp8.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L2jbC-0000Tm-Vh; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:43:50 +0100 Received: from cp268254-a.landg1.lb.home.nl ([84.25.65.88] helo=ra.egypt.nl) by smtp8.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L2jbB-0003mD-Sk; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:43:49 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (xp.egypt.nl [192.168.13.35]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E1639841; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:43:42 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4923DFCE.2000000@boosten.org> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:43:42 +0100 From: Peter Boosten User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Da Rock References: <4923A4EA.8070002@boosten.org> <1227075189.4296.4.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: <1227075189.4296.4.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1L2jbB-0003mD-Sk X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-2.6, required 5, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60, SPF_PASS -0.00) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: peter@boosten.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mod_auth_ldap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:43:52 -0000 Da Rock wrote: > On Wed, 2008-11-19 at 06:32 +0100, Peter Boosten wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Anyone try to compile this one? >> It stops with a >> www/mod_auth_ldap (missing header) >> >> The header it cannot find is: >> mod_auth_ldap.c:61:24: error: apr_compat.h: No such file or directory >> >> And it's right: the file indeed is not on my system, and it didn't come >> with apr-gdbm-db44-1.3.3.1.3.4, nor with apache-2.2.9_5. >> >> Does anyone have some clues about the solution? > > Try the APR utilities port. > He Da Rock, Thanks for your answer. However, which port would that be? TIA Peter -- http://www.boosten.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 09:51:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BF181065672 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:51:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pieter@degoeje.nl) Received: from mx.utwente.nl (mx2.utsp.utwente.nl [130.89.2.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D79878FC21 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:51:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pieter@degoeje.nl) Received: from lux.student.utwente.nl (lux.student.utwente.nl [130.89.170.81]) by mx.utwente.nl (8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id mAJ9pBjr031805; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:51:11 +0100 From: Pieter de Goeje To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:51:10 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <49235108.2030907@mykitchentable.net> In-Reply-To: <49235108.2030907@mykitchentable.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811191051.10628.pieter@degoeje.nl> X-UTwente-MailScanner-Information: Scanned by MailScanner. Contact servicedesk@icts.utwente.nl for more information. X-UTwente-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-UTwente-MailScanner-From: pieter@degoeje.nl X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Drew Tomlinson Subject: Re: FBSD 7.1 & kern.maxdsiz X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:51:16 -0000 On Wednesday 19 November 2008, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > I installed FBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE amd64 version on an Intel Core2Duo box > with 4 GB of RAM. The main purpose of this box is to run the Urchin web > analysis software from Google. The Urchin installation docs > (https://secure.urchin.com/helpwiki/en/Urchin_Installation_Guide_(FreeBSD_a >nd_Linux)) contain a note for FreeBSD users waring of a "hard coded process > datasiz limit of 500 MB" and instruct on to set "kern.maxdsiz="1073741824"" > in /boot/loader.conf. However FBSD 7.1 doesn't appear to have this > sysctl. How can I do the equivalent of this in FBSD 7.1? > > Thanks, > > Drew I don't think you need to increase the datasize on 64bit FreeBSD. It seems that the default datasize is really large: 32GB You can check using the 'limits' command. -- Pieter de Goeje From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 09:57:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F5351065674 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:57:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pieter@degoeje.nl) Received: from mx.utwente.nl (mx2.utsp.utwente.nl [130.89.2.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF078FC16 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:57:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pieter@degoeje.nl) Received: from lux.student.utwente.nl (lux.student.utwente.nl [130.89.170.81]) by mx.utwente.nl (8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id mAJ9vYjr001093; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:57:34 +0100 From: Pieter de Goeje To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:57:33 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <006b01c949da$2985e9f0$7c91bdd0$@com> <20081119001952.GA28809@ayn.mi.celestial.com> <000001c949e4$35403020$9fc09060$@com> In-Reply-To: <000001c949e4$35403020$9fc09060$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811191057.34292.pieter@degoeje.nl> X-UTwente-MailScanner-Information: Scanned by MailScanner. 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X-UTwente-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-UTwente-MailScanner-From: pieter@degoeje.nl X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd@celestial.com, Gary Hartl Subject: Re: Running X without a videocard X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:57:40 -0000 On Wednesday 19 November 2008, Gary Hartl wrote: > Whoa this is way beyond me I think...can you direct me to a howto or the > like. > > X11 over SSH good lord....i'm out of touch with *NIX.. > Am i to understand that i could run a pretty nice (not gnome or kde) but > one of the less intense interfaces over ssh (this is on an internal network > so connection speed isn't an issue. > > 6 years, and I have admin alzheimers' > > Thanks X11 over ssh is as simple as: workstation-with-X> ssh -Y headlessbox> xterm Or even shorter: ssh -Y xterm To enable X11 over SSH you need to at least have xauth installed on the headless box (and ofcourse the X program you're trying to run, in my example xterm). -- Pieter de Goeje From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 10:00:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F23DD1065672 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:00:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3BC38FC16 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:00:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B94AFC1C6; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:00:23 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:00:02 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <4923A4EA.8070002@boosten.org> In-Reply-To: <4923A4EA.8070002@boosten.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811191100.03617.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: Peter Boosten Subject: Re: mod_auth_ldap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:00:25 -0000 On Wednesday 19 November 2008 06:32:26 Peter Boosten wrote: > Hi all, > > Anyone try to compile this one? > It stops with a > www/mod_auth_ldap (missing header) > > The header it cannot find is: > mod_auth_ldap.c:61:24: error: apr_compat.h: No such file or directory > > And it's right: the file indeed is not on my system, and it didn't come > with apr-gdbm-db44-1.3.3.1.3.4, nor with apache-2.2.9_5. > > Does anyone have some clues about the solution? > > TIA > > Peter The module is outdated. apr_compat.h was deprecated in Apache 2.0 and removed in Apache 2.2. Port has to be market BROKEN if APACHE_PORT == www/apache22 and fixed upstream. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 10:07:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74EC71065673 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:07:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq2.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq2.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.34.165]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC318FC19 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:07:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from [212.54.34.138] (port=51122 helo=smtp7.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq2.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L2jxl-00013Y-DT; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:07:09 +0100 Received: from cp268254-a.landg1.lb.home.nl ([84.25.65.88] helo=ra.egypt.nl) by smtp7.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L2jxh-0004YK-Nm; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:07:05 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (xp.egypt.nl [192.168.13.35]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C3BD39841; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:06:59 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4923E543.7060009@boosten.org> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:06:59 +0100 From: Peter Boosten User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mel References: <4923A4EA.8070002@boosten.org> <200811191100.03617.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> In-Reply-To: <200811191100.03617.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1L2jxh-0004YK-Nm X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-2.6, required 5, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60, SPF_PASS -0.00) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: peter@boosten.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mod_auth_ldap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:07:10 -0000 Mel wrote: > On Wednesday 19 November 2008 06:32:26 Peter Boosten wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Anyone try to compile this one? >> It stops with a >> www/mod_auth_ldap (missing header) >> >> The header it cannot find is: >> mod_auth_ldap.c:61:24: error: apr_compat.h: No such file or directory >> > > The module is outdated. apr_compat.h was deprecated in Apache 2.0 and removed > in Apache 2.2. Port has to be market BROKEN if APACHE_PORT == www/apache22 > and fixed upstream. > Mel, Thnx, that explains all. Do you know of any alternative for ldap authentication in apache22? Peter -- http://www.boosten.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 10:13:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B6061065700 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:13:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) Received: from mxin.vub.ac.be (mxin.vub.ac.be [134.184.129.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE1138FC08 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:13:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhIBAHhjI0mkD30E/2dsb2JhbAAI0gCCeQ Received: from bebif01.ulb.ac.be (HELO [10.0.0.194]) ([164.15.125.4]) by smtp.vub.ac.be with ESMTP; 19 Nov 2008 11:13:50 +0100 From: Julien Cigar To: Peter Boosten In-Reply-To: <4923E543.7060009@boosten.org> References: <4923A4EA.8070002@boosten.org> <200811191100.03617.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <4923E543.7060009@boosten.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:14:04 +0100 Message-Id: <1227089644.3040.0.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Mel , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mod_auth_ldap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:13:52 -0000 http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_authnz_ldap.html On Wed, 2008-11-19 at 11:06 +0100, Peter Boosten wrote: > Mel wrote: > > On Wednesday 19 November 2008 06:32:26 Peter Boosten wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Anyone try to compile this one? > >> It stops with a > >> www/mod_auth_ldap (missing header) > >> > >> The header it cannot find is: > >> mod_auth_ldap.c:61:24: error: apr_compat.h: No such file or directory > >> > > > > The module is outdated. apr_compat.h was deprecated in Apache 2.0 and removed > > in Apache 2.2. Port has to be market BROKEN if APACHE_PORT == www/apache22 > > and fixed upstream. > > > > Mel, > > Thnx, that explains all. Do you know of any alternative for ldap > authentication in apache22? > > Peter > -- Julien Cigar Belgian Biodiversity Platform http://www.biodiversity.be Université Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) Campus de la Plaine CP 257 Bâtiment NO, Bureau 4 N4 115C (Niveau 4) Boulevard du Triomphe, entrée ULB 2 B-1050 Bruxelles Mail: jcigar@ulb.ac.be @biobel: http://biobel.biodiversity.be/person/show/471 Tel : 02 650 57 52 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 10:26:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB3F1065675 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:26:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) Received: from mxin.ulb.ac.be (mxin.ulb.ac.be [164.15.128.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2968F8FC22 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:26:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhIBAJZxI0mkD30E/2dsb2JhbAAI0m6CeQ Received: from bebif01.ulb.ac.be (HELO [10.0.0.194]) ([164.15.125.4]) by smtp.ulb.ac.be with ESMTP; 19 Nov 2008 11:14:49 +0100 From: Julien Cigar To: Peter Boosten In-Reply-To: <4923E543.7060009@boosten.org> References: <4923A4EA.8070002@boosten.org> <200811191100.03617.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <4923E543.7060009@boosten.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:15:04 +0100 Message-Id: <1227089704.3040.2.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Mel , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mod_auth_ldap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:26:37 -0000 also : http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_ldap.html On Wed, 2008-11-19 at 11:06 +0100, Peter Boosten wrote: > Mel wrote: > > On Wednesday 19 November 2008 06:32:26 Peter Boosten wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Anyone try to compile this one? > >> It stops with a > >> www/mod_auth_ldap (missing header) > >> > >> The header it cannot find is: > >> mod_auth_ldap.c:61:24: error: apr_compat.h: No such file or directory > >> > > > > The module is outdated. apr_compat.h was deprecated in Apache 2.0 and removed > > in Apache 2.2. Port has to be market BROKEN if APACHE_PORT == www/apache22 > > and fixed upstream. > > > > Mel, > > Thnx, that explains all. Do you know of any alternative for ldap > authentication in apache22? > > Peter > -- Julien Cigar Belgian Biodiversity Platform http://www.biodiversity.be Université Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) Campus de la Plaine CP 257 Bâtiment NO, Bureau 4 N4 115C (Niveau 4) Boulevard du Triomphe, entrée ULB 2 B-1050 Bruxelles Mail: jcigar@ulb.ac.be @biobel: http://biobel.biodiversity.be/person/show/471 Tel : 02 650 57 52 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 10:28:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 999D8106564A for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:28:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3148FC16 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:28:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJARvSl006015; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:27:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAJARu5M006012; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:27:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:27:56 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Gary Hartl In-Reply-To: <006b01c949da$2985e9f0$7c91bdd0$@com> Message-ID: <20081119112554.R6005@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <006b01c949da$2985e9f0$7c91bdd0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Running X without a videocard X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:28:04 -0000 > I am running FBSD-stable 6.0 on some Sun Netra X1's so it is sparc64. > There is no video card on these puppies. But I seem to recall that we ran > solaris X using WinAXE or VNC or something like that > for fast network (LAN) telnet/rlogin (better not ssh) export DISPLAY=IP-of-your-display:0 then start X apps make sure to allow on your local display connecting X program - man xhost for lower speed connection ssh -C -X yournetra then run X apps for lowest speed connection run VNC. if your local display run windoze you probably have only the last choice. i don't know if they are working X11 servers for windows. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 10:35:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E5E11065672 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:35:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C218FC2C for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:35:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAJAYoCs034256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:34:51 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.14.2/8.12.11) id mAJAZc21042934; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:35:38 +0700 (ICT) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:35:38 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200811191035.mAJAZc21042934@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl In-reply-to: <20081119112554.R6005@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> (message from Wojciech Puchar on Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:27:56 +0100 (CET)) References: <006b01c949da$2985e9f0$7c91bdd0$@com> <20081119112554.R6005@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, ghartl@gmail.com Subject: Re: Running X without a videocard X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:35:43 -0000 > I am running FBSD-stable 6.0 on some Sun Netra X1's so it is sparc64. > There is no video card on these puppies. But I seem to recall that we ran > solaris X using WinAXE or VNC or something like that X windows has client/server built into the protocol: you can run an X application on a machine that has no video card and display the result on another machine that has video facility and an X display (called an X server). Of course, some things like watching a movie (you run the movie application on the machine without video card and display the images on the machine with video card) does not works well over the network: it is very slow (plus X does not have sound). > i don't know if they are working X11 servers for windows. Xming (free) Xwin32 (commercial) cygwin (free but big) and some others. Depending on the type of application you plan to run Xming can be a good choice. Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 10:37:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA6731065678 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:37:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrisa@uvic.ca) Received: from castle.comp.uvic.ca (castle.comp.uvic.ca [142.104.5.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD418FC34 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:37:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrisa@uvic.ca) Received: from wm3.uvic.ca (camel.comp.uvic.ca [142.104.148.215]) by castle.comp.uvic.ca (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAJAbU1a1327256 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:37:30 -0800 Received: from 142.104.193.193 (proxying for 24.68.249.148) (SquirrelMail authenticated user chrisa) by wm3.uvic.ca with HTTP; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:37:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <58416.142.104.193.193.1227091050.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> In-Reply-To: <20081119112554.R6005@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <006b01c949da$2985e9f0$7c91bdd0$@com> <20081119112554.R6005@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:37:30 -0800 (PST) From: chrisa@uvic.ca To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-UVic-Virus-Scanned: OK - Passed virus scan by Sophos (sophie) on castle X-UVic-Spam-Scan: castle.comp.uvic.ca Not_scanned_NOT_SA_HOST X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 142.104.5.29 Subject: Re: Running X without a videocard X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:37:30 -0000 >> I am running FBSD-stable 6.0 on some Sun Netra X1's so it is sparc64. >> There is no video card on these puppies. But I seem to recall that we >> ran >> solaris X using WinAXE or VNC or something like that >> > for fast network (LAN) > > > telnet/rlogin (better not ssh) > > export DISPLAY=IP-of-your-display:0 > then start X apps > > > make sure to allow on your local display connecting X program - > man xhost > > > for lower speed connection > > ssh -C -X yournetra > > then run X apps > > > for lowest speed connection run VNC. > > > if your local display run windoze you probably have only the last choice. > > i don't know if they are working X11 servers for windows. There are, in fact, in cygwin. The cygwin X11 server works quite well and is free. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 12:37:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F4B1065679 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:37:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from betty.computinginnovations.com (mail.computinginnovations.com [64.81.227.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 681D48FC18 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:37:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from p28.computinginnovations.com (dhcp-10-20-30-100.computinginnovations.com [10.20.30.100]) (authenticated bits=0) by betty.computinginnovations.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJCbQDH020398; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:37:27 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20081119062849.02693de0@mail.computinginnovations.com> X-Sender: derek@mail.computinginnovations.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:37:12 -0600 To: "David Horn" From: Derek Ragona In-Reply-To: <25ff90d60811181050w48d78914m5911bc1c04f4552@mail.gmail.com > References: <6.0.0.22.2.20081117193403.025dfa50@mail.computinginnovations.com> <25ff90d60811172223t226714aq6e8202b19a2c8bfb@mail.gmail.com> <6.0.0.22.2.20081118055913.026155c0@mail.computinginnovations.com> <25ff90d60811181050w48d78914m5911bc1c04f4552@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081118-0, 11/18/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94-exp/8650/Tue Nov 18 22:59:50 2008 on betty.computinginnovations.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner-ID: mAJCbQDH020398 X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-From: derek@computinginnovations.com X-Spam-Status: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: smbfs 2 GB file size limit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:37:30 -0000 At 12:50 PM 11/18/2008, David Horn wrote: >On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 7:06 AM, Derek Ragona > wrote: > > At 12:23 AM 11/18/2008, David Horn wrote: > > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Derek Ragona > > wrote: > >> I have FreeBSD 7.0 Release and if I mount_smbfs a network NTFS share I > >> have > >> a 2 GB size limit on files. I checked the handbook and list archives but > >> have not found a solution. > > > > I just ran a quick test, and was not able to reproduce this issue with > > the mount_smbfs from FreeBSD 7.0. I tried against a Windows 2003 > > Server SP2, Windows XP SP3, and Samba 3.0 {on FreeBSD 7} with a 3.5GB > > file. > > > > Was your issue with reading from or writing to a SMB share ? > > > > It was writing to a smb share. > > > > > > What is the server software and OS version ? > > (if Microsoft Windows, please include Service Pack number as well, as > > it might make a difference) > > > > Windows 2003 server 32bit. > > > > How much disk space is left on your server volume ? > > > > Over a terabyte free > > > > Are there disk quotas enabled on the server ? > > > > None > > > > What error message are you getting from your FreeBSD client (if any) ? > > > > No error message, it just stopped writing at 1 Gb. I was doing this using > > scp. > >Whoa, hopefully you just made a few typos here, or we are going down >the wrong path of investigation. > >Did you really mean to say scp or cp ? > scp(1) - secure copy (remote file copy program) > cp(1) - copy files > >If you really meant scp, then the problem is not mount_smbfs, but >instead likely a buggy scp client or server (which does not use smb >for transport, but ssh) > >What is the exact byte count that your write stops at ? You >originally stated 2GB, then 1GB. This problem occurs under the following scenario: I have a windows share mounted on a FreeBSD 7.0 release (i386) using mount_smbfs. I was trying to scp from another server on the LAN to this share a 30GB file. The scp only copied 2 GB of that 30 GB file. This was using the scp on FreeBSD 7.0. I will try another scp application to determine if it is the scp, or mount_smbfs. I know the server I was coping from via SCP is not an issue. I was able to transfer that 30 GB file from that source server to another *nix server on the LAN. > > > > Can you check the smb server logs and see if you are getting any error > > messages there ? > > > > Well I'm just mounting the volume to FreeBSD from the Windows server so not > > sure I'll find much in the logs besides the system log, but I will look. > > > > You may want to get a Wireshark trace and see if you can capture the > > SMB error message/error code. > > > > I have heard of people running into similar problems when running > > against older server software (NT 4.0/old samba) when the SMB session > > did not negotiate large file/large write support (a function of the > > SMB server capabilities session negotiation) > > > > I saw posts to that effect and that you needed samba 3.x to support large > > files sizes, and the lfs option. But the mount_smbfs doesn't offer any > > large file option. > > > >Only bother with this next bit if you are morbidly curious as to how >things work rather than just want to solve your problem, as it gets >into the nitty gritty details of smb: > >mount_smbfs will allow for lfs (CAP_LARGE_FILE) automatically by >specifying it's dialect capabilities in the smb negotiation. > >If you umount your smb share, then start a tcpdump you can capture the >smb negotiation "Capabilities" bitmask to see if CAP_LARGE_FILE is >being negotiated - the server specifies this capability. The client >just sends the dialects of smb supported. For example: > >tcpdump -vvv -s 1500 -i em0 host server.example.com | grep Capabilities > >{ where em0 is the network interface in use on FreeBSD and >server.example.com is the hostname/ip address of your smb server } > >Then do a mount of the smb share (while tcpdump is running) and you >should capture the Capabilities negotiated. > >For example: > >Capabilities=0x1F3FD > >If you decode the bitmask by using this reference : >http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa302230.aspx {hint: only >look at the last four bytes of the Capabilities line (e.g. F3FD in my >example)} Or if you have kernel source installed, you can look in >/usr/src/sys/netsmb/smb.h for the details. > > - Capabilities: 0x0001F3FD > RawMode: (...............................1) Supports >SMB_COM_READ_RAW and SMB_COM_WRITE_RAW (CAP_RAW_MODE) > MpxMode: (..............................0.) No >Support for SMB_COM_READ_MPX or SMB_COM_WRITE_MPX (CAP_MPX_MODE) > Unicode: (.............................1..) Supports >Unicode Strings (CAP_UNICODE) > LargeFiles: (............................1...) Supports >large files with 64-bit offsets (CAP_LARGE_FILES) > NTSMBs: (...........................1....) Supports >SMB NTLM 0.12 dialect commands (implies CAP_NT_FIND) (CAP_NT_SMBS) > RPCRemoteAPIs: (..........................1.....) Supports >remote API requests using RPC over named pipe connections >(CAP_RPC_REMOTE_APIS) > NTStatus: (.........................1......) Can >respond with 32-bit NT status codes in Status (CAP_NT_STATUS) > LevelIIOplocks: (........................1.......) Supports >Level II oplocks ( CAP_LEVEL_II_OPLOCKS) > LockAndRead: (.......................1........) Supports >SMB_COM_LOCK_AND_READ and SMB_COM_WRITE_AND_UNLOCK (CAP_LOCK_AND_READ) > NtFind: (......................1.........) Supports >Windows NT information level requests (SMB_QUERY_?, SMB_SET_?) >(CAP_NT_FIND) > Reserved_bits10_11: (....................00..........) Reserved > Dfs: (...................1............) This >server is Distributed File System (Dfs) aware (via >TRANS2_GET_DFS_REFERRAL) (CAP_DFS) > InfolevelPassthru: (..................1.............) Supports >Windows NT information level pass-through requests >[SMB_INFO_PASSTHROUGH] (CAP_INFOLEVEL_PASSTHRU) > LargeReadx: (.................1..............) Supports >large read operations (CAP_LARGE_READX) > LargeWritex: (................1...............) Supports >large write operations (CAP_LARGE_WRITEX) > Lwio: (...............1................) Reserved Thanks for that info. I will try this, as I am both curious about what the problem may be and interested to verify what mount_smbfs is allowing. -Derek -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 13:09:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113441065670 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:09:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd1@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF4288FC0C for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:09:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd1@a1poweruser.com) Received: from [10.0.10.6] ([202.69.173.236]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:08:38 -0800 Message-ID: <4924102E.9040208@a1poweruser.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:10:06 +0800 From: Fbsd1 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2008 13:08:39.0212 (UTC) FILETIME=[F056BEC0:01C94A47] X-Sender: fbsd1@a1poweruser.com Subject: best way to add patch to x11/slim-1.3.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:09:34 -0000 On the developers website there is a patch i want to apply http://developer.berlios.de/patch/?func=detailpatch&patch_id=2283&group_id=2663 [ Patch #2283 ] Add a variable to run shutdown commands without root pass. How can i get "make install" to apply this patch while compiling the port? This is the contents of the patch file From: Nicolas Pierron Subject: r???: Add a variable to run shutdown commands without root password. URL: http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/slim/trunk ChangeLog: 2007-12-16 Nicolas Pierron Add a variable to run system command without root password. * app.cpp: Add the test for reboot, halt and suspend. * cfg.cpp: Add the new variable with the default value set to false. * slim.conf: Add an example of the command. --- app.cpp | 5 +++++ cfg.cpp | 1 + slim.conf | 5 +++++ 3 files changed, 11 insertions(+) Index: slim.conf =================================================================== --- slim.conf (revision 150) +++ slim.conf (working copy) @@ -10,6 +10,11 @@ console_cmd /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm -C -fg white -bg black +sb -T "Console login" -e /bin/sh -c "/bin/cat /etc/issue; exec /bin/login" #suspend_cmd /usr/sbin/suspend +# Let normal users have access to systems commands. If the value is true, +# then the root password is requiered to start a system command. +# Valid values: true|false +# root_password false + # Full path to the xauth binary xauth_path /usr/X11R6/bin/xauth Index: cfg.cpp =================================================================== --- cfg.cpp (revision 150) +++ cfg.cpp (working copy) @@ -36,6 +36,7 @@ options.insert(option("login_cmd","exec /bin/bash -login ~/.xinitrc %session")); options.insert(option("halt_cmd","/sbin/shutdown -h now")); options.insert(option("reboot_cmd","/sbin/shutdown -r now")); + options.insert(option("root_password","true")); options.insert(option("suspend_cmd","")); options.insert(option("sessionstart_cmd","")); options.insert(option("sessionstop_cmd","")); Index: app.cpp =================================================================== --- app.cpp (revision 150) +++ app.cpp (working copy) @@ -407,6 +407,11 @@ case Panel::Console: cerr << APPNAME << ": Got a special command (" << LoginPanel->GetName() << ")" << endl; return true; // <--- This is simply fake! + case Panel::Suspend: + case Panel::Halt: + case Panel::Reboot: + if (cfg->getOption("root_password") == "false") + return true; default: break; }; From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 13:16:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96CAE1065672 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:16:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ale@pcartwright.com) Received: from host.yoursoftdns9.com (host.yoursoftdns9.com [74.86.125.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 742228FC1D for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:16:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ale@pcartwright.com) Received: from [208.65.89.183] (port=49444 helo=paulandcilla) by host.yoursoftdns9.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L2mvA-0004Q7-Qi for FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:16:40 -0600 From: Paul Cartwright Organization: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:16:36 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811190816.37009.ale@pcartwright.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.yoursoftdns9.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - pcartwright.com Cc: Subject: newb questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:16:41 -0000 ok, so I got this freebsd server up and running, even able to ssh to it. questions: 1. when I run startx it auto logs me in on a minimal gui ( twm?). I installed gnome, I think, and want to log in using gnome, how do I change that? 2. I cannot su - to root, it says sorry. pam_group didn't seem like the answer, or I didn't read it right. How can I su to root from my account? Is there anything special to able to do that from ssh? 3. the boot loader... This server has 2 drives, and I already had w2k server on drive 1, and ubuntu-server on drive 2. when I boot, I now get options for F2-DOS ( win2k boots) and F5 disk0/1. I can't seem to find any option for my ubuntu OS. Is there a way to change that bootloader option to add /dev/sdb6-ubuntu? maybe I was looking in the wrong documentation, if any/all of this is in the docs, which one? the handbook? thanks -- Paul Cartwright From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 13:17:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 990701065678 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:17:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shinjii@maydias.com) Received: from pecan2.exetel.com.au (pecan2.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C74B8FC14 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:17:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shinjii@maydias.com) Received: from 196.43.96.58.exetel.com.au ([58.96.43.196] helo=enterprise.blackthorn.nu) by pecan2.exetel.com.au with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1L2mve-0002Jc-Em for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:17:10 +1100 Message-ID: <492411F5.7030608@maydias.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:17:41 +1000 From: Warren Liddell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081016) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <49136BDA.6070204@maydias.com> <28283d910811061708u13c60b4m5c1680ff2eece927@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Error Compiling kdenetwork X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:17:12 -0000 Iam using AMD64 FreeBSD 7.1-PreRelease KDE4.1.3 .. when i try to build kdenetwork i get as far as below before it errors.... Any thoughts/suggestions welcomed ================================= [ 19%] Building CXX object kget/plasma/applet/CMakeFiles/plasma_kget_barapplet.dir/common/kgetappletutils.o /usr/ports/net/kdenetwork4/work/kdenetwork-4.1.3/kget/plasma/applet/common/kgetappletutils.cpp:25:39: error: plasma/widgets/iconwidget.h: No such file or directory /usr/ports/net/kdenetwork4/work/kdenetwork-4.1.3/kget/plasma/applet/common/kgetappletutils.cpp: In constructor 'ErrorWidget::ErrorWidget(const QString&, QGraphicsWidget*)': /usr/ports/net/kdenetwork4/work/kdenetwork-4.1.3/kget/plasma/applet/common/kgetappletutils.cpp:72: error: invalid use of incomplete type 'struct Plasma::IconWidget' /usr/ports/net/kdenetwork4/work/kdenetwork-4.1.3/kget/plasma/applet/common/kgetappletutils.h:34: error: forward declaration of 'struct Plasma::IconWidget' /usr/ports/net/kdenetwork4/work/kdenetwork-4.1.3/kget/plasma/applet/common/kgetappletutils.cpp:79: error: no matching function for call to 'QGraphicsLinearLayout::addItem(Plasma::IconWidget*&)' /usr/local/include/qt4/QtGui/qgraphicslinearlayout.h:72: note: candidates are: void QGraphicsLinearLayout::addItem(QGraphicsLayoutItem*) /usr/ports/net/kdenetwork4/work/kdenetwork-4.1.3/kget/plasma/applet/common/kgetappletutils.cpp: In destructor 'virtual ErrorWidget::~ErrorWidget()': /usr/ports/net/kdenetwork4/work/kdenetwork-4.1.3/kget/plasma/applet/common/kgetappletutils.cpp:90: warning: possible problem detected in invocation of delete operator: /usr/ports/net/kdenetwork4/work/kdenetwork-4.1.3/kget/plasma/applet/common/kgetappletutils.cpp:90: warning: invalid use of incomplete type 'struct Plasma::IconWidget' /usr/ports/net/kdenetwork4/work/kdenetwork-4.1.3/kget/plasma/applet/common/kgetappletutils.h:34: warning: forward declaration of 'struct Plasma::IconWidget' /usr/ports/net/kdenetwork4/work/kdenetwork-4.1.3/kget/plasma/applet/common/kgetappletutils.cpp:90: note: neither the destructor nor the class-specific operator delete will be called, even if they are declared when the class is defined. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/net/kdenetwork4/work/kdenetwork-4.1.3/build. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/net/kdenetwork4/work/kdenetwork-4.1.3/build. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/net/kdenetwork4/work/kdenetwork-4.1.3/build. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/net/kdenetwork4. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 13:25:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E4791065677 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:25:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11FC78FC26 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:25:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAJDOueh061122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:24:56 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.14.2/8.12.11) id mAJDPigW048344; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:25:44 +0700 (ICT) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:25:44 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200811191325.mAJDPigW048344@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Cc: Subject: PEA kernel in FreeBSD 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:25:49 -0000 Hi, I am about to install few brand new servers, each with 8GB RAM. If I choose to use 7.0, will I have to use PEA kernel to be able to access the total memory? Best regards. Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 13:27:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50D80106564A for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:27:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 018CB8FC13 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:27:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1L2n5j-00006e-OD for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:27:35 +0000 Received: from lara.cc.fer.hr ([161.53.72.113]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:27:35 +0000 Received: from ivoras by lara.cc.fer.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:27:35 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:28:22 +0100 Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <200811191325.mAJDPigW048344@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig680DFA6B281CC5E867694EAD" X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lara.cc.fer.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080925) In-Reply-To: <200811191325.mAJDPigW048344@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Sender: news Subject: Re: PEA kernel in FreeBSD 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:27:42 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig680DFA6B281CC5E867694EAD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Olivier Nicole wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I am about to install few brand new servers, each with 8GB RAM. >=20 > If I choose to use 7.0, will I have to use PEA kernel to be able to > access the total memory? Yes if you want to use the 32-bit version of FreeBSD. Use a 64-bit version instead. --------------enig680DFA6B281CC5E867694EAD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD4DBQFJJBR2ldnAQVacBcgRAtO3AJ9P5u5BW4y9ZR9I/blSxs0vqTRC4gCY+Odk E31gdEIbb3DdCmIl/eXuVg== =IUdl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig680DFA6B281CC5E867694EAD-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 13:35:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C53F41065673 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:35:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A86548FC12 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:35:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gzLB1a00B0lTkoCA41b8V3; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:35:08 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id h1b61a00T2P6wsM8Q1b6UG; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:35:07 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=nFo0Jy40vJYUrc8LrDwA:9 a=mCfpUxIlx7T0fUUQ0C7NJFwksPUA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8AB8633C36; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:35:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:35:06 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Paul Cartwright Message-ID: <20081119133506.GA87794@icarus.home.lan> References: <200811190816.37009.ale@pcartwright.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200811190816.37009.ale@pcartwright.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newb questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:35:08 -0000 On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 08:16:36AM -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote: > 1. when I run startx it auto logs me in on a minimal gui ( twm?). I installed > gnome, I think, and want to log in using gnome, how do I change that? > > 2. I cannot su - to root, it says sorry. pam_group didn't seem like the > answer, or I didn't read it right. How can I su to root from my account? > Is there anything special to able to do that from ssh? I can't answer question #1. As for #2, you need to add your username to the "wheel" group in /etc/group. That's all. (You will have to log out then back in for the changes to take effect) > 3. the boot loader... This server has 2 drives, and I already had w2k server > on drive 1, and ubuntu-server on drive 2. when I boot, I now get options for > F2-DOS ( win2k boots) and F5 disk0/1. I can't seem to find any option for my > ubuntu OS. Is there a way to change that bootloader option to > add /dev/sdb6-ubuntu? I think boot0cfg is the tool you'll want to use for this. I've never been in this situation, so I don't have a command to give you. You can use boot0cfg -v (e.g. boot0cfg -v ad0) to get information about the boot0 configuration. > maybe I was looking in the wrong documentation, if any/all of this is in the > docs, which one? the handbook? Yes. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 13:36:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C4C1065670 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:36:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B74D48FC19 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:36:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id h0G41a0010QkzPwA61c2wS; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:36:02 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id h1c01a0042P6wsM8N1c0wR; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:36:01 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=9haOgNRe13Tvzzhi7-sA:9 a=YnFfsJzSNXdL0dF26YHHk79X4noA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 276B133C36; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:36:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:36:00 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Olivier Nicole Message-ID: <20081119133600.GB87794@icarus.home.lan> References: <200811191325.mAJDPigW048344@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200811191325.mAJDPigW048344@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PEA kernel in FreeBSD 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:36:02 -0000 On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 08:25:44PM +0700, Olivier Nicole wrote: > Hi, > > I am about to install few brand new servers, each with 8GB RAM. > > If I choose to use 7.0, will I have to use PEA kernel to be able to > access the total memory? Some clarification: the term is PAE, not PEA. It's important you refer to it as PAE, because the kernel option is actually called that; if you typo it, it won't work. :-) -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 13:46:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31FC81065672 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:46:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail1.sourcehosting.net (113901-app1.sourcehosting.net [72.32.213.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B3568FC1C for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:46:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from 68-189-244-97.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com ([68.189.244.97] helo=Gregory-Larkins-Computer.local) by mail1.sourcehosting.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1L2nNq-000IAk-MP; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:46:20 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (fireball.entropy.prv [192.168.1.12]) by Gregory-Larkins-Computer.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1523D27A2C06; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:46:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <492418A8.9090904@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:46:16 -0500 From: Greg Larkin Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fbsd1 References: <4924102E.9040208@a1poweruser.com> In-Reply-To: <4924102E.9040208@a1poweruser.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: id=1C940290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: best way to add patch to x11/slim-1.3.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: glarkin@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:46:22 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Fbsd1 wrote: > On the developers website there is a patch i want to apply > > http://developer.berlios.de/patch/?func=detailpatch&patch_id=2283&group_id=2663 > > > [ Patch #2283 ] Add a variable to run shutdown commands without root pass. > > How can i get "make install" to apply this patch while compiling the port? > Hi Fbsd1, Since you've already found a unified diff of the change that you want to incorporate into the port, you can submit a PR (problem report) using the form here: http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html. Just follow the instructions on that page, and your patch will be submitted to the PR system. The port maintainer reviews your PR, makes the necessary change and possibly updates the port's revision number. You then use portupgrade or some other means to install the new version of the port with the incorporated patch. Hope that helps, Greg - -- Greg Larkin http://www.FreeBSD.org/ - The Power To Serve http://www.sourcehosting.net/ - Ready. Set. Code. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJJBio0sRouByUApARAuaqAJ0dvk/SzKvcz/VzaFgSDuivb6RV3QCbBJqj 2iVzN4XzW92LpY6M34a5szM= =C5Gj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 13:47:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127E11065674; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:47:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D37DE8FC19; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:46:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5F0FAFC1C6; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 04:46:58 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:46:56 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <200811190816.37009.ale@pcartwright.com> <20081119133506.GA87794@icarus.home.lan> In-Reply-To: <20081119133506.GA87794@icarus.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811191446.56699.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: Jeremy Chadwick , Paul Cartwright Subject: Re: newb questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:47:00 -0000 On Wednesday 19 November 2008 14:35:06 Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 08:16:36AM -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote: > > 1. when I run startx it auto logs me in on a minimal gui ( twm?). I > > installed gnome, I think, and want to log in using gnome, how do I change > > that? > > Change .xinitrc. http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/faq2.html > > 2. I cannot su - to root, it says sorry. pam_group didn't seem like the > > answer, or I didn't read it right. How can I su to root from my account? > > Is there anything special to able to do that from ssh? > > I can't answer question #1. > > As for #2, you need to add your username to the "wheel" group in > /etc/group. That's all. (You will have to log out then back in for the > changes to take effect) And you can't do this in ssh unless you enabled root logins, obvious chicken and egg. Will need to do this with a local root login. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 14:04:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F6241065672 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:04:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ricardo.meb.jesus@gmail.com) Received: from gate.criticalsoftware.com (gate.criticalsoftware.com [212.13.37.242]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05BC48FC17 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:04:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ricardo.meb.jesus@gmail.com) Received: from [192.168.1.146] (unknown [192.168.1.146]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gate.criticalsoftware.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F652E8EB5; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:44:10 +0000 (WET) Message-ID: <49241829.9030607@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:44:09 +0000 From: Ricardo Jesus User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Cartwright References: <200811190816.37009.ale@pcartwright.com> <20081119133506.GA87794@icarus.home.lan> In-Reply-To: <20081119133506.GA87794@icarus.home.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newb questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ricardo.m.jesus@criticalsoftware.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:04:50 -0000 Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 08:16:36AM -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote: > >> 1. when I run startx it auto logs me in on a minimal gui ( twm?). I installed >> gnome, I think, and want to log in using gnome, how do I change that? >> >> 2. I cannot su - to root, it says sorry. pam_group didn't seem like the >> answer, or I didn't read it right. How can I su to root from my account? >> Is there anything special to able to do that from ssh? >> > > I can't answer question #1. > > As for #2, you need to add your username to the "wheel" group in > /etc/group. That's all. (You will have to log out then back in for the > changes to take effect) > > >> 3. the boot loader... This server has 2 drives, and I already had w2k server >> on drive 1, and ubuntu-server on drive 2. when I boot, I now get options for >> F2-DOS ( win2k boots) and F5 disk0/1. I can't seem to find any option for my >> ubuntu OS. Is there a way to change that bootloader option to >> add /dev/sdb6-ubuntu? >> > > I think boot0cfg is the tool you'll want to use for this. I've never > been in this situation, so I don't have a command to give you. You can > use boot0cfg -v (e.g. boot0cfg -v ad0) to get information about > the boot0 configuration. > > >> maybe I was looking in the wrong documentation, if any/all of this is in the >> docs, which one? the handbook? >> > > Yes. > > Paul, Regarding question #1 just take a look at the FreeBSD Handbook, namely Chapter 5 "The X Window System" under section 5.7.1.2. Regards, Ricardo Jesus. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 14:06:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 339BF10656AB for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:06:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ale@pcartwright.com) Received: from host.yoursoftdns9.com (host.yoursoftdns9.com [74.86.125.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F128FC14 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:06:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ale@pcartwright.com) Received: from [208.65.89.183] (port=43571 helo=paulandcilla) by host.yoursoftdns9.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L2nhg-0007h0-LW for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:06:48 -0600 From: Paul Cartwright Organization: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:06:45 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <200811190816.37009.ale@pcartwright.com> <20081119133506.GA87794@icarus.home.lan> <200811191446.56699.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> In-Reply-To: <200811191446.56699.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811190906.45400.ale@pcartwright.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.yoursoftdns9.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - pcartwright.com Subject: Re: newb questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:06:52 -0000 On Wed November 19 2008, Mel wrote: > Change .xinitrc. > http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/faq2.html=20 got it, thanks! > > As for #2, you need to add your username to the "wheel" group in > > /etc/group. =A0That's all. =A0(You will have to log out then back in fo= r the > > changes to take effect) wheel group, who-da thunk it. I was looking for admin/root group. > > And you can't do this in ssh unless you enabled root logins, obvious > chicken and egg. Will need to do this with a local root login. already done and working. thanks! =2D-=20 Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 Registered Ubuntu User #12459 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 14:06:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A89810656D9 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:06:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from smtpauth.surewest.net (smtpauth.surewest.net [66.60.130.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D5B8FC20 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:06:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (unknown [69.62.230.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtpauth.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C0F19BF7A; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:06:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (bigdaddy.mykitchentable.net [192.168.1.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 68130164D48; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:06:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49241D7E.5090600@mykitchentable.net> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:06:54 -0800 From: Drew Tomlinson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeremy Chadwick References: <49235108.2030907@mykitchentable.net> <20081119010109.5eff6215.freebsd@edvax.de> <4923598F.2080601@mykitchentable.net> <20081119054111.GB77425@icarus.home.lan> In-Reply-To: <20081119054111.GB77425@icarus.home.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Polytropon , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: FBSD 7.1 & kern.maxdsiz X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:06:59 -0000 Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 04:10:55PM -0800, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > >> Polytropon wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:34:32 -0800, Drew Tomlinson wrote: >>> >>> >>>> The Urchin installation docs [...] >>>> contain a note for FreeBSD users waring of a "hard coded process >>>> datasiz limit of 500 MB" and instruct on to set >>>> "kern.maxdsiz="1073741824"" in /boot/loader.conf. However FBSD 7.1 >>>> doesn't appear to have this sysctl. How can I do the equivalent of >>>> this in FBSD 7.1? >>>> >>>> >>> Exactly, it is *not* a sysctl setting. It's a loader tunable, as >>> I learned from this list some time ago. Don't search to find >>> it in the sysctl list, you won't find it there. :-) >>> >>> In FreeBSD 7 you should be able to set this setting using >>> the file /boot/loader.conf. I think I had this setting on a >>> FreeBSD 5 machine, I'll go and check. >>> >>> >> Thanks for your reply. I guess I expected to be able to view it via >> sysctl even though I understood it could only be changed with a reboot. >> Is there some way to view the current setting? >> > > Through sysctl. > OK, what am I missing? urchin# sysctl -a | grep maxdsiz compat.ia32.maxdsiz: 536870912 compat.linux32.maxdsiz: 536870912 I do not see one named 'kern.maxdsiz'. Thanks, Drew -- Be a Great Magician! Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse http://www.alchemistswarehouse.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 14:09:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15AED1065670 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:09:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ale@pcartwright.com) Received: from host.yoursoftdns9.com (host.yoursoftdns9.com [74.86.125.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4EC98FC0C for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:09:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ale@pcartwright.com) Received: from [208.65.89.183] (port=43573 helo=paulandcilla) by host.yoursoftdns9.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L2njs-0007nT-DO for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:09:04 -0600 From: Paul Cartwright Organization: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:09:01 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <200811190816.37009.ale@pcartwright.com> <20081119133506.GA87794@icarus.home.lan> In-Reply-To: <20081119133506.GA87794@icarus.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811190909.01908.ale@pcartwright.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.yoursoftdns9.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - pcartwright.com Subject: Re: newb questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:09:05 -0000 On Wed November 19 2008, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > I think boot0cfg is the tool you'll want to use for this. =A0I've never > been in this situation, so I don't have a command to give you. =A0You can > use boot0cfg -v (e.g. boot0cfg -v ad0) to get information about > the boot0 configuration. nice, except boot0cfg -v ad1 doesn't recognize ad1's current partitioning=20 scheme.. I'll have to go back into gparted to see what slice my other OS is= =20 booted from. At least this points me in the right direction, thanks! =2D-=20 Paul Cartwright=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 14:16:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09F811065674; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:16:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C787D8FC19; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:16:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8E2DAFC1C6; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:16:09 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:16:06 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <49235108.2030907@mykitchentable.net> <20081119054111.GB77425@icarus.home.lan> <49241D7E.5090600@mykitchentable.net> In-Reply-To: <49241D7E.5090600@mykitchentable.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811191516.07650.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: Drew Tomlinson , Jeremy Chadwick , Polytropon Subject: Re: FBSD 7.1 & kern.maxdsiz X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:16:11 -0000 On Wednesday 19 November 2008 15:06:54 Drew Tomlinson wrote: > Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 04:10:55PM -0800, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > >> Polytropon wrote: > >>> On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:34:32 -0800, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > >>>> The Urchin installation docs [...] > >>>> contain a note for FreeBSD users waring of a "hard coded process > >>>> datasiz limit of 500 MB" and instruct on to set > >>>> "kern.maxdsiz="1073741824"" in /boot/loader.conf. However FBSD 7.1 > >>>> doesn't appear to have this sysctl. How can I do the equivalent of > >>>> this in FBSD 7.1? > >>> > >>> Exactly, it is *not* a sysctl setting. It's a loader tunable, as > >>> I learned from this list some time ago. Don't search to find > >>> it in the sysctl list, you won't find it there. :-) > >>> > >>> In FreeBSD 7 you should be able to set this setting using > >>> the file /boot/loader.conf. I think I had this setting on a > >>> FreeBSD 5 machine, I'll go and check. > >> > >> Thanks for your reply. I guess I expected to be able to view it via > >> sysctl even though I understood it could only be changed with a reboot. > >> Is there some way to view the current setting? > > > > Through sysctl. > > OK, what am I missing? > > urchin# sysctl -a | grep maxdsiz > compat.ia32.maxdsiz: 536870912 > compat.linux32.maxdsiz: 536870912 limits -H. Some loader tuneables aren't exported to sysctl. $ limits -Hd Resource limits (current): datasize 786432 kB $ grep maxdsiz /boot/loader.conf kern.maxdsiz="768M" -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 14:33:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A921065672 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:33:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1611B8FC14 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:33:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.44]) by QMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id h1z61a0020xGWP8582ZGkt; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:33:16 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id h2Zv1a00V2P6wsM3Y2Zvtn; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:33:56 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=yAtgbVGWl6TGNTtQTmoA:9 a=P-Jd1wppKNZJbzql4ysZMJbFurUA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=Sllw8v0m4fwA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 38F1D33C36; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:33:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:33:55 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Drew Tomlinson Message-ID: <20081119143355.GA89097@icarus.home.lan> References: <49235108.2030907@mykitchentable.net> <20081119010109.5eff6215.freebsd@edvax.de> <4923598F.2080601@mykitchentable.net> <20081119054111.GB77425@icarus.home.lan> <49241D7E.5090600@mykitchentable.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <49241D7E.5090600@mykitchentable.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Polytropon , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: FBSD 7.1 & kern.maxdsiz X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:33:58 -0000 On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 06:06:54AM -0800, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > Jeremy Chadwick wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 04:10:55PM -0800, Drew Tomlinson wrote: >> >>> Polytropon wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:34:32 -0800, Drew Tomlinson wrote: >>>> >>>>> The Urchin installation docs [...] >>>>> contain a note for FreeBSD users waring of a "hard coded process >>>>> datasiz limit of 500 MB" and instruct on to set >>>>> "kern.maxdsiz="1073741824"" in /boot/loader.conf. However FBSD >>>>> 7.1 doesn't appear to have this sysctl. How can I do the >>>>> equivalent of this in FBSD 7.1? >>>>> >>>> Exactly, it is *not* a sysctl setting. It's a loader tunable, as >>>> I learned from this list some time ago. Don't search to find >>>> it in the sysctl list, you won't find it there. :-) >>>> >>>> In FreeBSD 7 you should be able to set this setting using >>>> the file /boot/loader.conf. I think I had this setting on a >>>> FreeBSD 5 machine, I'll go and check. >>>> >>> Thanks for your reply. I guess I expected to be able to view it via >>> sysctl even though I understood it could only be changed with a >>> reboot. Is there some way to view the current setting? >>> >> >> Through sysctl. >> > > OK, what am I missing? > > urchin# sysctl -a | grep maxdsiz > compat.ia32.maxdsiz: 536870912 > compat.linux32.maxdsiz: 536870912 > > I do not see one named 'kern.maxdsiz'. Actually, you're not missing anything. It's me who's missing (part of my brain). The loader tunables you want are visible via limits(1), not sysctl. Other loader tunables *are* visible through sysctl though, hence my comment. Sorry for the confusion. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 14:35:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73571106567A for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:35:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from smtpauth.surewest.net (smtpauth.surewest.net [66.60.130.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582F88FC0C for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:35:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (unknown [69.62.230.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtpauth.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E35059BF70; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:35:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (bigdaddy.mykitchentable.net [192.168.1.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3160B164D48; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:35:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4924243D.7050001@mykitchentable.net> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:35:41 -0800 From: Drew Tomlinson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pieter de Goeje References: <49235108.2030907@mykitchentable.net> <200811191051.10628.pieter@degoeje.nl> In-Reply-To: <200811191051.10628.pieter@degoeje.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FBSD 7.1 & kern.maxdsiz X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:35:46 -0000 Pieter de Goeje wrote: > On Wednesday 19 November 2008, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > >> I installed FBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE amd64 version on an Intel Core2Duo box >> with 4 GB of RAM. The main purpose of this box is to run the Urchin web >> analysis software from Google. The Urchin installation docs >> (https://secure.urchin.com/helpwiki/en/Urchin_Installation_Guide_(FreeBSD_a >> nd_Linux)) contain a note for FreeBSD users waring of a "hard coded process >> datasiz limit of 500 MB" and instruct on to set "kern.maxdsiz="1073741824"" >> in /boot/loader.conf. However FBSD 7.1 doesn't appear to have this >> sysctl. How can I do the equivalent of this in FBSD 7.1? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Drew >> > > I don't think you need to increase the datasize on 64bit FreeBSD. It seems > that the default datasize is really large: 32GB > > You can check using the 'limits' command. > Thank you. You are correct. urchin> limits -Hd Resource limits (current): datasize 33554432 kB I guess I need to look elsewhere to resolve my problem. Thanks, Drew -- Be a Great Magician! Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse http://www.alchemistswarehouse.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 14:43:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C2E1065672; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:43:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from smtpauth.surewest.net (smtpauth.surewest.net [66.60.130.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495A38FC13; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:43:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (unknown [69.62.230.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtpauth.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A775E9BF5C; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:43:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (bigdaddy.mykitchentable.net [192.168.1.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EB25C164D48; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:43:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4924260F.9040708@mykitchentable.net> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:43:27 -0800 From: Drew Tomlinson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mel References: <49235108.2030907@mykitchentable.net> <20081119054111.GB77425@icarus.home.lan> <49241D7E.5090600@mykitchentable.net> <200811191516.07650.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> In-Reply-To: <200811191516.07650.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jeremy Chadwick , Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FBSD 7.1 & kern.maxdsiz X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:43:31 -0000 Mel wrote: > On Wednesday 19 November 2008 15:06:54 Drew Tomlinson wrote: > >> Jeremy Chadwick wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 04:10:55PM -0800, Drew Tomlinson wrote: >>> >>>> Polytropon wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:34:32 -0800, Drew Tomlinson >>>>> > wrote: > >>>>>> The Urchin installation docs [...] >>>>>> contain a note for FreeBSD users waring of a "hard coded process >>>>>> datasiz limit of 500 MB" and instruct on to set >>>>>> "kern.maxdsiz="1073741824"" in /boot/loader.conf. However FBSD 7.1 >>>>>> doesn't appear to have this sysctl. How can I do the equivalent of >>>>>> this in FBSD 7.1? >>>>>> >>>>> Exactly, it is *not* a sysctl setting. It's a loader tunable, as >>>>> I learned from this list some time ago. Don't search to find >>>>> it in the sysctl list, you won't find it there. :-) >>>>> >>>>> In FreeBSD 7 you should be able to set this setting using >>>>> the file /boot/loader.conf. I think I had this setting on a >>>>> FreeBSD 5 machine, I'll go and check. >>>>> >>>> Thanks for your reply. I guess I expected to be able to view it via >>>> sysctl even though I understood it could only be changed with a reboot. >>>> Is there some way to view the current setting? >>>> >>> Through sysctl. >>> >> OK, what am I missing? >> >> urchin# sysctl -a | grep maxdsiz >> compat.ia32.maxdsiz: 536870912 >> compat.linux32.maxdsiz: 536870912 >> > > > limits -H. Some loader tuneables aren't exported to sysctl. > > $ limits -Hd > Resource limits (current): > datasize 786432 kB > > $ grep maxdsiz /boot/loader.conf > kern.maxdsiz="768M" > Thanks for the explanation! As pointed out by Pieter de Goeje, the default size in FBSD 7 amd 64 is 32 GB, confirmed with the limits command above. Thus datasize does not appear to be my problem. I'm shooting in the dark here as Urchin software support is non-existent. Are there any other tuneables related to datasize that I might try increasing? Thanks, Drew -- Be a Great Magician! Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse http://www.alchemistswarehouse.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 15:05:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB0881065674; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:05:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91FE58FC1E; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:05:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4B04AFC1C6; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:05:35 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:05:33 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <49235108.2030907@mykitchentable.net> <200811191516.07650.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <4924260F.9040708@mykitchentable.net> In-Reply-To: <4924260F.9040708@mykitchentable.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811191605.33939.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: Drew Tomlinson , Jeremy Chadwick , Polytropon Subject: Re: FBSD 7.1 & kern.maxdsiz X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:05:37 -0000 On Wednesday 19 November 2008 15:43:27 Drew Tomlinson wrote: > Thanks for the explanation! As pointed out by Pieter de Goeje, the > default size in FBSD 7 amd 64 is 32 GB, confirmed with the limits > command above. Thus datasize does not appear to be my problem. I'm > shooting in the dark here as Urchin software support is non-existent. > Are there any other tuneables related to datasize that I might try > increasing? If the soft limit is set to 'unlimitied' for the user running the program, then it is not a datasize problem. You may simply be out of memory. Can you track using top(1) how far the software gets and what the memory usage is at around the time it crashes? -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 15:10:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4940C1065672 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:10:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghartl@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E72448FC16 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:10:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghartl@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b6so1470819ana.13 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:10:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references :in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=R5uECxDAo/tUx8M24C0HmpfW5qoUL6b/2fmutuNItNE=; b=QUX0vsSKpjc+n+iYICMahptr9cygW6uOPCjCohmYniGnOa/rDMxg0fijZYtJEHcysM fzDrCVV+6Ab1Usuy1cpjgztyRtWhaL/qKdb0ApT+GBDz37R/gqmaTzqqVC8PyWnYXwGQ 74tfJuNr1ohe/9hGPBO26yOYYbl0EVxax5Bzo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; b=oVfPzIhSmdRNmQGvZcvJke8fnolzfIRaeVZP1PbDrLFAwc1BLhtH+ep9FTPznFBPQy hTSV+aUNU/LfjS9o5prs8vflNIOTWR4Tx7OqKnqd30bslVJIGfMung12f2xVNrLeJImr TldsI45RoC7DDdHsJBzvEn8lCvhR26juoy0fg= Received: by 10.65.139.1 with SMTP id r1mr1164571qbn.66.1227107433648; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:10:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mainpc (d226-16-220.home.cgocable.net [24.226.16.220]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm11792814qbw.6.2008.11.19.07.10.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:10:32 -0800 (PST) From: "Gary Hartl" To: "'FreeBSD Questions'" References: <006b01c949da$2985e9f0$7c91bdd0$@com> <20081119112554.R6005@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: <20081119112554.R6005@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:10:28 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c94a58$f5da1f20$e18e5d60$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclKMYOwpeksL9lOQtC6iD1aqq3JewAIV4gQ Content-Language: en-ca Subject: RE: Running X without a videocard X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:10:35 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: Wojciech Puchar [mailto:wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl] Sent: November-19-08 5:28 AM To: Gary Hartl Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Running X without a videocard > I am running FBSD-stable 6.0 on some Sun Netra X1's so it is sparc64. > There is no video card on these puppies. But I seem to recall that we ran > solaris X using WinAXE or VNC or something like that > for fast network (LAN) telnet/rlogin (better not ssh) export DISPLAY=IP-of-your-display:0 then start X apps when i do this: export DISPLAY=192.168.0.100:0 xterm first it tells me that export can't befound, I guess that is because it is a built it. So I added to my .profile the following DISPLAY=192.168.0.100:0 export DISPLAY Logged out and logged back in. Alas no display variable When i run xterm it tells me that there is not display variable. Anyone with suggestions Thanks Gary make sure to allow on your local display connecting X program - man xhost for lower speed connection ssh -C -X yournetra then run X apps for lowest speed connection run VNC. if your local display run windoze you probably have only the last choice. i don't know if they are working X11 servers for windows. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 15:13:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113701065673 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:13:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [66.246.138.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0168FC08 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:13:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3D419014; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:13:43 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on muon X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.5 Received: from tau.draftnet (unknown [66.45.161.67]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:13:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:13:11 -0800 From: Bruce Cran To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20081119071311.7167fc9a@tau.draftnet> In-Reply-To: <20081119100646.F4220@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118123147.GA96005@ei.bzerk.org> <94136a2c0811180444n51cae14bg70654bc7b93445f8@mail.gmail.com> <20081118141648.M84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118154009.2e3be393.usselmann.m@icg-online.de> <20081118230506.654b6a82@tau.draftnet> <20081119100646.F4220@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; amd64-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Zbigniew Szalbot , Manfred Usselmann , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:13:45 -0000 On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:07:14 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > I think the fundamental problem with the Windows UI is that it's > > trying to cater for both advanced (e.g Shutdown, Restart, Sleep, > > Hibernate or > > well funny - that being able to restart is being advanced user. good > to know. > Actually, I think it is. See http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/11/21.html for the reasoning. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 15:15:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 680DF1065670; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:15:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3406D8FC16; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:15:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C902AFC1C6; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:15:26 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:15:24 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <49235108.2030907@mykitchentable.net> <4924260F.9040708@mykitchentable.net> <200811191605.33939.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> In-Reply-To: <200811191605.33939.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811191615.25269.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: Drew Tomlinson , Jeremy Chadwick , Polytropon Subject: Re: FBSD 7.1 & kern.maxdsiz X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:15:27 -0000 On Wednesday 19 November 2008 16:05:33 Mel wrote: > On Wednesday 19 November 2008 15:43:27 Drew Tomlinson wrote: > > Thanks for the explanation! As pointed out by Pieter de Goeje, the > > default size in FBSD 7 amd 64 is 32 GB, confirmed with the limits > > command above. Thus datasize does not appear to be my problem. I'm > > shooting in the dark here as Urchin software support is non-existent. > > Are there any other tuneables related to datasize that I might try > > increasing? > > If the soft limit is set to 'unlimitied' for the user running the program, > then it is not a datasize problem. You may simply be out of memory. Can you > track using top(1) how far the software gets and what the memory usage is > at around the time it crashes? But of course, if this binary runs in 32-bit mode, this applies: compat.ia32.maxdsiz: 536870912 -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 15:23:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D5001065672; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:23:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from smtpauth.surewest.net (smtpauth.surewest.net [66.60.130.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B438FC08; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:23:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (unknown [69.62.230.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtpauth.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CE769C079; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:23:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (bigdaddy.mykitchentable.net [192.168.1.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 83C37164D48; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:23:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49242F89.9070105@mykitchentable.net> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:23:53 -0800 From: Drew Tomlinson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mel References: <49235108.2030907@mykitchentable.net> <4924260F.9040708@mykitchentable.net> <200811191605.33939.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <200811191615.25269.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> In-Reply-To: <200811191615.25269.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jeremy Chadwick , Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FBSD 7.1 & kern.maxdsiz X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:23:58 -0000 Mel wrote: > On Wednesday 19 November 2008 16:05:33 Mel wrote: > >> On Wednesday 19 November 2008 15:43:27 Drew Tomlinson wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the explanation! As pointed out by Pieter de Goeje, the >>> default size in FBSD 7 amd 64 is 32 GB, confirmed with the limits >>> command above. Thus datasize does not appear to be my problem. I'm >>> shooting in the dark here as Urchin software support is non-existent. >>> Are there any other tuneables related to datasize that I might try >>> increasing? >>> >> If the soft limit is set to 'unlimitied' for the user running the program, >> then it is not a datasize problem. You may simply be out of memory. Can you >> track using top(1) how far the software gets and what the memory usage is >> at around the time it crashes? >> > > But of course, if this binary runs in 32-bit mode, this applies: > compat.ia32.maxdsiz: 536870912 > I'll bet this is it!!! Thanks. I'll check it out. Drew -- Be a Great Magician! Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse http://www.alchemistswarehouse.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 15:23:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 016771065675 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:23:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D29898FC12 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:23:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id h1EK1a00417UAYkA33PyXN; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:23:58 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id h3Pw1a00a2P6wsM8Z3PwVc; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:23:57 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=KPFlhq66QPpwKfQVhowA:9 a=Xf6XNC33jB_cNw10XIOxRJwJzRcA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=Sllw8v0m4fwA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A8E4133C36; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:23:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:23:56 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Drew Tomlinson Message-ID: <20081119152356.GA90207@icarus.home.lan> References: <49235108.2030907@mykitchentable.net> <20081119054111.GB77425@icarus.home.lan> <49241D7E.5090600@mykitchentable.net> <200811191516.07650.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <4924260F.9040708@mykitchentable.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4924260F.9040708@mykitchentable.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Polytropon , Mel , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FBSD 7.1 & kern.maxdsiz X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:23:59 -0000 On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 06:43:27AM -0800, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > Mel wrote: >> On Wednesday 19 November 2008 15:06:54 Drew Tomlinson wrote: >> >>> Jeremy Chadwick wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 04:10:55PM -0800, Drew Tomlinson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Polytropon wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:34:32 -0800, Drew Tomlinson >> wrote: >> >>>>>>> The Urchin installation docs [...] >>>>>>> contain a note for FreeBSD users waring of a "hard coded process >>>>>>> datasiz limit of 500 MB" and instruct on to set >>>>>>> "kern.maxdsiz="1073741824"" in /boot/loader.conf. However FBSD 7.1 >>>>>>> doesn't appear to have this sysctl. How can I do the equivalent of >>>>>>> this in FBSD 7.1? >>>>>>> >>>>>> Exactly, it is *not* a sysctl setting. It's a loader tunable, as >>>>>> I learned from this list some time ago. Don't search to find >>>>>> it in the sysctl list, you won't find it there. :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> In FreeBSD 7 you should be able to set this setting using >>>>>> the file /boot/loader.conf. I think I had this setting on a >>>>>> FreeBSD 5 machine, I'll go and check. >>>>>> >>>>> Thanks for your reply. I guess I expected to be able to view it via >>>>> sysctl even though I understood it could only be changed with a reboot. >>>>> Is there some way to view the current setting? >>>>> >>>> Through sysctl. >>>> >>> OK, what am I missing? >>> >>> urchin# sysctl -a | grep maxdsiz >>> compat.ia32.maxdsiz: 536870912 >>> compat.linux32.maxdsiz: 536870912 >>> >> >> >> limits -H. Some loader tuneables aren't exported to sysctl. >> >> $ limits -Hd >> Resource limits (current): >> datasize 786432 kB >> >> $ grep maxdsiz /boot/loader.conf >> kern.maxdsiz="768M" >> > > Thanks for the explanation! As pointed out by Pieter de Goeje, the > default size in FBSD 7 amd 64 is 32 GB, confirmed with the limits > command above. Thus datasize does not appear to be my problem. I'm > shooting in the dark here as Urchin software support is non-existent. > Are there any other tuneables related to datasize that I might try > increasing? It would help greatly if you could explain what the problem is that you're trying to track down? -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 15:27:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A53106567B for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:27:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from masoom.shaikh@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.239]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32A778FC17 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:27:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from masoom.shaikh@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so155rvf.43 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:27:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=VPRF5S+gFAHh7P+LbP33hN/eLXZKqjLevuKzfHCNsMc=; b=l6aaAZHy1SrOtJXHAt11t1/yTv5rPtHmW3cnEKwZj7uoGFOc5pSKLCKjHdXY2B0YIg HjDfceFlSgrwsZemLDCqpbbTgc6ipZi3mRTNkOuqXlKhIGfyaI91T4axr8wmdXQJJ0b9 s2usKAVwAIf0l9utCWSSJsbLitfnToH5zbmco= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=LhLElVVA3YgsJbsyHFwqhpWZP7nSbT5q3x2o8a4xYVpxkB6+1QAOTUE7ukVc94p1NL QpoIYEDEsAuIzeo2uCFvZvTG55gPpJuTTcVuBukepM4kJAqeZCXfukFS4ITAFbACy9xI ajPV2JFREmtaRHg4nnbBmWMHxG/tgfXGANyeI= Received: by 10.141.122.1 with SMTP id z1mr640152rvm.210.1227108469485; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:27:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.35.8 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:27:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:27:49 +0000 From: "Masoom Shaikh" To: "Jeremy Chadwick" In-Reply-To: <20081119053859.GA77425@icarus.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081119053859.GA77425@icarus.home.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: large binary, why not strip ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:27:50 -0000 On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 5:38 AM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 08:42:12AM +0000, Masoom Shaikh wrote: > > most of the programs installed from ports have large binary size on disk > > > > stripping em all reduces their size dramatically > > > > I cannot see the reason for not stripping them by default ? > > > > do I miss anything ? > > I haven't seen anyone point out the downside to stripping binaries and > libraries: removal of debugging symbols. Agreed. But not every 'user' is interested in backtrace. It can be argued user can send the trace to someone who is. Well my only point is choice, I should have choice to install un-stripped bins only if I wish, since for those who have no idea what such symbols are, backtrace is some kind of boring text. I don't like bins for which `nm` does not give me symbols :) I was just wondering if installing stripped bins may save small space for those of whom PC means mail, IM, mp3, orkut etc.... "The apebajs program suddenly > crashes in some library, here's the now-completely-useless backtrace". > The user is then forced to go back and recompile *everything* to get > debugging symbols. > > The non-stripping situation is on a per-port basis, AFAIK. Not all > ports have WITH_DEBUG. > > -- > | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | > | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | > | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | > | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 15:54:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C90B1065670; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:54:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from smtpauth.surewest.net (smtpauth.surewest.net [66.60.130.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E07728FC08; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:54:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (unknown [69.62.230.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtpauth.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 734799BF35; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:53:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (bigdaddy.mykitchentable.net [192.168.1.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C9724164D48; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:54:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49243698.2080005@mykitchentable.net> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:54:00 -0800 From: Drew Tomlinson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeremy Chadwick References: <49235108.2030907@mykitchentable.net> <20081119054111.GB77425@icarus.home.lan> <49241D7E.5090600@mykitchentable.net> <200811191516.07650.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <4924260F.9040708@mykitchentable.net> <20081119152356.GA90207@icarus.home.lan> In-Reply-To: <20081119152356.GA90207@icarus.home.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Polytropon , Mel , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FBSD 7.1 & kern.maxdsiz X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:54:05 -0000 Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 06:43:27AM -0800, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > >> Mel wrote: >> >>> On Wednesday 19 November 2008 15:06:54 Drew Tomlinson wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Jeremy Chadwick wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 04:10:55PM -0800, Drew Tomlinson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Polytropon wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:34:32 -0800, Drew Tomlinson >>>>>>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>>>> The Urchin installation docs [...] >>>>>>>> contain a note for FreeBSD users waring of a "hard coded process >>>>>>>> datasiz limit of 500 MB" and instruct on to set >>>>>>>> "kern.maxdsiz="1073741824"" in /boot/loader.conf. However FBSD 7.1 >>>>>>>> doesn't appear to have this sysctl. How can I do the equivalent of >>>>>>>> this in FBSD 7.1? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Exactly, it is *not* a sysctl setting. It's a loader tunable, as >>>>>>> I learned from this list some time ago. Don't search to find >>>>>>> it in the sysctl list, you won't find it there. :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In FreeBSD 7 you should be able to set this setting using >>>>>>> the file /boot/loader.conf. I think I had this setting on a >>>>>>> FreeBSD 5 machine, I'll go and check. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for your reply. I guess I expected to be able to view it via >>>>>> sysctl even though I understood it could only be changed with a reboot. >>>>>> Is there some way to view the current setting? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Through sysctl. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> OK, what am I missing? >>>> >>>> urchin# sysctl -a | grep maxdsiz >>>> compat.ia32.maxdsiz: 536870912 >>>> compat.linux32.maxdsiz: 536870912 >>>> >>>> >>> limits -H. Some loader tuneables aren't exported to sysctl. >>> >>> $ limits -Hd >>> Resource limits (current): >>> datasize 786432 kB >>> >>> $ grep maxdsiz /boot/loader.conf >>> kern.maxdsiz="768M" >>> >>> >> Thanks for the explanation! As pointed out by Pieter de Goeje, the >> default size in FBSD 7 amd 64 is 32 GB, confirmed with the limits >> command above. Thus datasize does not appear to be my problem. I'm >> shooting in the dark here as Urchin software support is non-existent. >> Are there any other tuneables related to datasize that I might try >> increasing? >> > > It would help greatly if you could explain what the problem is that > you're trying to track down? > I understand I'm asking for "magic". I do not know the problem. My employer's Internet group purchased a software called "Urchin" which appears to be a standalone version of Google Analytics for web site reporting. I have been tasked with installing this software. Supported OSs are Linux, FreeBSD, and Windows. I chose FreeBSD 7 as I've been using it for my home network for years. However I will be the first to admit that I do not really understand the internals. I am just grateful that others that do understand have provided and support this OS for me. :) The Urchin software reports a "failed to allocate memory" error. The sparse Urchin documentation noted above says this error is a known issue with FreeBSD and that kern.maxdsiz needs to be set at 1 GB to avoid. Because of help from the list, I learned that the default size in 64 bit FBSD is 32 GB. Thus I didn't think this is my issue and was seeking any ideas of what else to look at that might be similar. Mel gave me a great nudge that if Urchin is a 32 bit binary (which it is), then it is limited by compat.ia32.maxdsiz which is 500 MB by default. I have set this to 1GB and so far, there have not been any further memory errors. Many thanks to everyone for his/her help! Cheers, Drew -- Be a Great Magician! Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse http://www.alchemistswarehouse.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 15:57:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7014B1065686 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:57:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jalmberg@identry.com) Received: from mx1.identry.com (on.identry.com [66.111.0.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F303B8FC1B for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:57:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jalmberg@identry.com) Received: (qmail 40339 invoked by uid 89); 19 Nov 2008 15:57:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.110?) (jalmberg@75.127.142.66) by mx1.identry.com with ESMTPA; 19 Nov 2008 15:57:51 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: John Almberg Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:57:50 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: snmpd strangeness X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:57:53 -0000 I just noticed something odd and am looking for ideas... As you can see from the top snippet below, snmpd is getting hammered by something. As a comparison, the load averages for this quad-core box are usually close to zero. I'm not even sure I'm using snmpd for anything... not even sure what it is, precisely. I'm digging into docs at the moment, but any ideas much appreciated. -- John last pid: 38974; load averages: 1.24, 1.40, 1.58 342 processes: 6 running, 336 sleeping CPU states: 13.7% user, 0.0% nice, 13.9% system, 0.3% interrupt, 72.1% idle Mem: 5997M Active, 596M Inact, 420M Wired, 206M Cache, 214M Buf, 457M Free Swap: 16G Total, 123M Used, 16G Free PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 45136 root 1 104 0 2636M 2621M CPU5 4 254.1H 103.91% snmpd 37368 www 1 20 0 193M 46232K lockf 6 0:05 3.91% httpd 38819 identry 1 -32 0 7688K 2648K CPU0 0 0:02 1.61% top From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 16:42:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE319106564A for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:41:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF4D68FC0C for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:41:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id h4XW1a00416AWCUA54hzFd; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:41:59 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id h4hw1a00Q2P6wsM8S4hwdY; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:41:58 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=EwvvQa_jbY_QcyPoyCIA:9 a=E6RBqDqtCTgAr7TfS5Z3NUbEq9gA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=Sllw8v0m4fwA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 269D333C1C; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:41:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:41:56 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Drew Tomlinson Message-ID: <20081119164156.GA2110@icarus.home.lan> References: <49235108.2030907@mykitchentable.net> <20081119054111.GB77425@icarus.home.lan> <49241D7E.5090600@mykitchentable.net> <200811191516.07650.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <4924260F.9040708@mykitchentable.net> <20081119152356.GA90207@icarus.home.lan> <49243698.2080005@mykitchentable.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <49243698.2080005@mykitchentable.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Polytropon , Mel , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FBSD 7.1 & kern.maxdsiz X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:42:00 -0000 On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 07:54:00AM -0800, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > Jeremy Chadwick wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 06:43:27AM -0800, Drew Tomlinson wrote: >> >>> Mel wrote: >>> >>>> On Wednesday 19 November 2008 15:06:54 Drew Tomlinson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jeremy Chadwick wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 04:10:55PM -0800, Drew Tomlinson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Polytropon wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:34:32 -0800, Drew Tomlinson >>>>>>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>> The Urchin installation docs [...] >>>>>>>>> contain a note for FreeBSD users waring of a "hard coded process >>>>>>>>> datasiz limit of 500 MB" and instruct on to set >>>>>>>>> "kern.maxdsiz="1073741824"" in /boot/loader.conf. However FBSD 7.1 >>>>>>>>> doesn't appear to have this sysctl. How can I do the equivalent of >>>>>>>>> this in FBSD 7.1? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Exactly, it is *not* a sysctl setting. It's a loader tunable, as >>>>>>>> I learned from this list some time ago. Don't search to find >>>>>>>> it in the sysctl list, you won't find it there. :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In FreeBSD 7 you should be able to set this setting using >>>>>>>> the file /boot/loader.conf. I think I had this setting on a >>>>>>>> FreeBSD 5 machine, I'll go and check. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for your reply. I guess I expected to be able to view it via >>>>>>> sysctl even though I understood it could only be changed with a reboot. >>>>>>> Is there some way to view the current setting? >>>>>>> >>>>>> Through sysctl. >>>>>> >>>>> OK, what am I missing? >>>>> >>>>> urchin# sysctl -a | grep maxdsiz >>>>> compat.ia32.maxdsiz: 536870912 >>>>> compat.linux32.maxdsiz: 536870912 >>>>> >>>> limits -H. Some loader tuneables aren't exported to sysctl. >>>> >>>> $ limits -Hd >>>> Resource limits (current): >>>> datasize 786432 kB >>>> >>>> $ grep maxdsiz /boot/loader.conf >>>> kern.maxdsiz="768M" >>>> >>> Thanks for the explanation! As pointed out by Pieter de Goeje, the >>> default size in FBSD 7 amd 64 is 32 GB, confirmed with the limits >>> command above. Thus datasize does not appear to be my problem. I'm >>> shooting in the dark here as Urchin software support is non-existent. >>> Are there any other tuneables related to datasize that I might try >>> increasing? >>> >> >> It would help greatly if you could explain what the problem is that >> you're trying to track down? >> > > I understand I'm asking for "magic". I do not know the problem. My > employer's Internet group purchased a software called "Urchin" which > appears to be a standalone version of Google Analytics for web site > reporting. I have been tasked with installing this software. Supported > OSs are Linux, FreeBSD, and Windows. I chose FreeBSD 7 as I've been > using it for my home network for years. However I will be the first to > admit that I do not really understand the internals. I am just grateful > that others that do understand have provided and support this OS for me. > :) > > The Urchin software reports a "failed to allocate memory" error. The > sparse Urchin documentation noted above says this error is a known issue > with FreeBSD and that kern.maxdsiz needs to be set at 1 GB to avoid. > Because of help from the list, I learned that the default size in 64 bit > FBSD is 32 GB. Thus I didn't think this is my issue and was seeking any > ideas of what else to look at that might be similar. Mel gave me a > great nudge that if Urchin is a 32 bit binary (which it is), then it is > limited by compat.ia32.maxdsiz which is 500 MB by default. I have set > this to 1GB and so far, there have not been any further memory errors. I believe Mel's recommendation is spot on. I had no idea this was a 32-bit binary being run on a 64-bit version of FreeBSD. So yes, the tunable he gave you should fix the problem. :-) Cheers! -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 16:49:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0641065673 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:49:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D4C8FC13 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:49:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.12]) by QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id h4jH1a00C0Fqzac594pLDU; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:49:20 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id h4pK1a00T2P6wsM3U4pLxg; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:49:20 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=nUWFrsIjwAvMPZXG4KkA:9 a=iVujKo7s1Hs0pKNqQ40A:7 a=6CNkMaRjhliH3ni0Bczjk7rphJ4A:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5D18133C1C; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:49:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:49:19 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: John Almberg Message-ID: <20081119164919.GA2347@icarus.home.lan> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: snmpd strangeness X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:49:22 -0000 On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:57:50AM -0500, John Almberg wrote: > I just noticed something odd and am looking for ideas... > > As you can see from the top snippet below, snmpd is getting hammered by > something. As a comparison, the load averages for this quad-core box are > usually close to zero. > > I'm not even sure I'm using snmpd for anything... not even sure what it > is, precisely. > > I'm digging into docs at the moment, but any ideas much appreciated. I'm greatly concerned by the fact that you have a process on your machine taking up 103% CPU time (possible on a quad-core machine), taking up 2621MBytes of memory (RSS), yet you have no idea what it is, what SNMP is, or why said process is running on your machine. :-) You can truss the pid to find out what it's doing, but based on the above I'm not sure the truss output will be of much use to you. I would recommend finding out who/what started it by looking at the ppid of the process (ps -alx | grep 45136, then look at the 3rd column which is the ppid; then do ps -alx | grep {ppid}). It's very possible the ppid will be 1, which is init, which means in this case it was probably started by a script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d. I would then recommend using gcore on the snmpd pid, which will write out a very large file (~2.6GB) to $PWD. You can then examine that later. I would then recommend killing it off, then go on a quest to find out why net-snmpd is on your machine -- and equally as odd, why it's running. For this to start, something has to be in /etc/rc.conf to initialise it. There's also the possibility that the process running isn't snmpd at all, but rather a binary of a hacker who has gained access to your box, especially given that you have no idea what it is. > last pid: 38974; load averages: 1.24, 1.40, 1.58 > 342 processes: 6 running, 336 sleeping > CPU states: 13.7% user, 0.0% nice, 13.9% system, 0.3% interrupt, 72.1% > idle > Mem: 5997M Active, 596M Inact, 420M Wired, 206M Cache, 214M Buf, 457M > Free > Swap: 16G Total, 123M Used, 16G Free > > PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU > COMMAND > 45136 root 1 104 0 2636M 2621M CPU5 4 254.1H 103.91% snmpd > 37368 www 1 20 0 193M 46232K lockf 6 0:05 3.91% httpd > 38819 identry 1 -32 0 7688K 2648K CPU0 0 0:02 1.61% top -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 16:57:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186B91065673 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:57:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC2F8FC0A for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:57:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-26-78.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.26.78]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE5C0509B7; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:57:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mAJGvVsj006057; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:57:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:57:31 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "Gary Hartl" Message-Id: <20081119175731.ac9a0c4e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <001101c94a58$f5da1f20$e18e5d60$@com> References: <006b01c949da$2985e9f0$7c91bdd0$@com> <20081119112554.R6005@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <001101c94a58$f5da1f20$e18e5d60$@com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: 'FreeBSD Questions' Subject: Re: Running X without a videocard X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:57:36 -0000 On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:10:28 -0500, "Gary Hartl" wrote: > when i do this: > export DISPLAY=192.168.0.100:0 > xterm > > first it tells me that export can't befound, I guess that is because it is a > built it. Important question here: What's your shell? If you're using FreeBSD's standard dialog shell, the C shell, export won't work because it's from sh or bash. > So I added to my .profile the following > DISPLAY=192.168.0.100:0 > export DISPLAY > Logged out and logged back in. > Alas no display variable > When i run xterm it tells me that there is not display variable. Make sure you're using bash (see your shell setting from the chsh command or echo $SHELL). If you're using the C shell, you can use the setenv command instead. % setenv DISPLAY 192.168.0.100:0 % xterm See the advice regarding xhost in order to have the correct permissions to run the applications from the desired X server. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 17:07:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E871065672 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:07:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LukeD@pobox.com) Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (a-sasl-fastnet.sasl.smtp.pobox.com [207.106.133.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D31E8FC1E for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:07:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LukeD@pobox.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by a-sasl-fastnet.sasl.smtp.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F4997F88B; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:07:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from lukas.is-a-geek.org (unknown [71.113.98.220]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by a-sasl-fastnet.sasl.smtp.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B37A57F88A; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:06:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:06:43 -0800 (PST) From: Luke Dean X-X-Sender: lukas@border.lukas.is-a-geek.org To: Jakub T In-Reply-To: <42b840be0811181746w13c33badj99854a188d0dd00f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <42b840be0811150949i1a8e0251tea94d8824cf4458f@mail.gmail.com> <42b840be0811181746w13c33badj99854a188d0dd00f@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 7BDF745C-B65C-11DD-BE7C-8214C92D7133-96347044!a-sasl-fastnet.pobox.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Port forwarding behind two routers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Luke Dean List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:07:04 -0000 On Wed, 19 Nov 2008, Jakub T wrote: > 2008/11/15 Luke Dean > >> >> Port-forwarding through two NATs is something I've never had any success >> with. I have a few suggestions that have worked for me and my friends with >> this setup. >> >> A) Disable NAT on the ADSL router. I think the term is "bridged mode". >> Turn it into a dumb box and shift all the NAT/firewall/routing >> responsibilities over to your wireless router. Depending on your ISP, the >> hardware, and the protocols involved, this may not be an option for you. >> >> B) Disable NAT on the wireless router. This allows it to be a simple >> switch and wireless access point. The price is that you're probably relying >> on the DHCP server in the wireless router for your wireless devices and >> you'll have to disable the DHCP when you disable NAT. This creates new >> problems to be solved. >> >> C) Plug the FreeBSD box into the ADSL router, skipping the wireless router. >> Your wireless devices will still be double-NATted, but if you're not >> running servers on them, you might be able to live with that. >> >> > Luke, > > Thank you very much, your advices were very helpful and I now have a working > port forwarding through two routers. Sorry for the delay in the answering, > it took me some time to test various options... > > Actually your (A) advice is what did the job. I turned off DHCP server on > ADSL router and enabled "NAT - DMZ Host" option on it (for which I realized > that it was the closest to your description of "bridged mode"). > > Then I configured the wireless router to use static IP config instead of > expecting DHCP server. The situation is now this: > > INTERNET > | > telephone/adsl-wire > | > | > ADSL router > wan : xx.xx.xx.xx FreeBSD box (wired) > lan : 192.168.1.1 ip: 192.168.0.102 > | laptop gateway: 192.168.0.1 > | (wireless) | > [internet plug] ip: 192.168.0.101 | > Wireless router gateway: 192.168.0.1 | > wan : 192.168.1.2 : | > lan : 192.168.0.1 . . . . . : | > [ethernet plug] | > | | > +-------------------------------------------+ > > DMZ host for ADSL router is 192.168.1.2 -- and it works! > > I have one question more (forgive my ignorance): now the wireless router is > configured to use static IP config and I must provide one or more "Static > DNS servers" to it. Is it ok to type just "192.168.1.1" as DNS (which works > for now) or to copy DNS servers which are automatically provided to the ADSL > router by the ISP? Your solution is a little different from what I was suggesting, but it might be a better solution in some ways. If 192.168.1.1 really works as a source of DNS, I would take that to mean that your ADSL router is passing your name requests along to the nameservers that the ISP provided it. That's good. If your ISP ever moves its nameservers, it will tell your ADSL box about it, and the changes should propogate. If you hardcoded your DNS addresses into your wireless router, you would have to change them by hand if a change was ever required. I believe your wireless router is now responsible for being the firewall for your network, so make sure you've set that up. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 17:11:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BA3E1065673 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:11:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jalmberg@identry.com) Received: from mx1.identry.com (on.identry.com [66.111.0.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BF28FC16 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:11:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jalmberg@identry.com) Received: (qmail 49711 invoked by uid 89); 19 Nov 2008 17:11:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.110?) (jalmberg@75.127.142.66) by mx1.identry.com with ESMTPA; 19 Nov 2008 17:11:37 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081119164919.GA2347@icarus.home.lan> References: <20081119164919.GA2347@icarus.home.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Almberg Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:11:36 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: Re: snmpd strangeness X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:11:39 -0000 On Nov 19, 2008, at 11:49 AM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:57:50AM -0500, John Almberg wrote: >> I just noticed something odd and am looking for ideas... >> >> As you can see from the top snippet below, snmpd is getting >> hammered by >> something. As a comparison, the load averages for this quad-core >> box are >> usually close to zero. >> >> I'm not even sure I'm using snmpd for anything... not even sure >> what it >> is, precisely. >> >> I'm digging into docs at the moment, but any ideas much appreciated. > > I'm greatly concerned by the fact that you have a process on your > machine taking up 103% CPU time (possible on a quad-core machine), > taking up 2621MBytes of memory (RSS), yet you have no idea what it is, > what SNMP is, or why said process is running on your machine. :-) That's an easy one to answer... Someone else installed FreeBSD on this machine. I have figured out MOST of what is on this box, but I'm occasionally surprised, like in this case. However, now that I've read through the installer's notes, I see that he had exotic plans for snmp monitoring. From what I can tell, he never got it working properly. In the meantime, I killed off the process. I had to take a sledgehammer to it, since a normal stop didn't work: [identry@on:log]> sudo /usr/local/etc/rc.d/snmpd stop Stopping snmpd. Waiting for PIDS: 45136t, 45136op, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136^C [identry@on:log]> sudo kill -SIGKILL 45136 This makes me wonder if the process was just hung in some bad way, eating up cpu cycles? Out of curiosity, I then restarted it. It seemed to run without problem after the restart, but after watching it for awhile, I stopped it again. I don't think it's doing anything useful at the moment. Now I'm curious about snmp, so perhaps I'll try to figure out how to get it to something useful. This machine has 8 hard drives, and is located in Manhattan, so I would certainly like to be informed if one of the raid drives went on the blink. That was one of the things he was trying to get working. Thanks: John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 17:19:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D40A1065670 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:19:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jalmberg@identry.com) Received: from mx1.identry.com (on.identry.com [66.111.0.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916E28FC17 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:19:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jalmberg@identry.com) Received: (qmail 50475 invoked by uid 89); 19 Nov 2008 17:19:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.110?) (jalmberg@75.127.142.66) by mx1.identry.com with ESMTPA; 19 Nov 2008 17:19:18 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081119164919.GA2347@icarus.home.lan> References: <20081119164919.GA2347@icarus.home.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <558BA33F-8C92-423E-B4E1-DA55D57815D7@identry.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Almberg Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:19:16 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: Re: snmpd strangeness X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:19:19 -0000 > taking up 2621MBytes of memory (RSS), BTW, after restarting, the process was a much more reasonable size. Another indicator that something had gone seriously wrong with it. 41659 root 1 96 0 23072K 6636K select 0 0:05 0.34% snmpd Luckily, Monit alerted me to the problem before it got completely out of hand. Love that program. -- John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 17:26:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A09AB106564A for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:26:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F4A68FC1C for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:26:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.11]) by QMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id h38K1a0010EZKEL585SBD3; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:26:11 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id h5Sp1a00q2P6wsM3M5Sq6o; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:26:51 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=OgBxVs9AxibY2gi0cesA:9 a=FEDNm2TKMvV7q6L_3w4A:7 a=_xJe42s3BAJmbsEUre5Br-0RCUUA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A7E3933C1C; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:26:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:26:49 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: John Almberg Message-ID: <20081119172649.GA3139@icarus.home.lan> References: <20081119164919.GA2347@icarus.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: snmpd strangeness X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:26:56 -0000 On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 12:11:36PM -0500, John Almberg wrote: > > On Nov 19, 2008, at 11:49 AM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:57:50AM -0500, John Almberg wrote: >>> I just noticed something odd and am looking for ideas... >>> >>> As you can see from the top snippet below, snmpd is getting hammered >>> by >>> something. As a comparison, the load averages for this quad-core >>> box are >>> usually close to zero. >>> >>> I'm not even sure I'm using snmpd for anything... not even sure what >>> it >>> is, precisely. >>> >>> I'm digging into docs at the moment, but any ideas much appreciated. >> >> I'm greatly concerned by the fact that you have a process on your >> machine taking up 103% CPU time (possible on a quad-core machine), >> taking up 2621MBytes of memory (RSS), yet you have no idea what it is, >> what SNMP is, or why said process is running on your machine. :-) > > That's an easy one to answer... Someone else installed FreeBSD on this > machine. I have figured out MOST of what is on this box, but I'm > occasionally surprised, like in this case. > > However, now that I've read through the installer's notes, I see that he > had exotic plans for snmp monitoring. From what I can tell, he never got > it working properly. Interesting. For "small" installations, e.g. super simple monitoring, most people prefer to use bsnmpd(1), which comes with FreeBSD. The docs are a bit sparse though, and the config syntax is weird + touchy. I've tinkered a bit with it though. > In the meantime, I killed off the process. I had to take a sledgehammer > to it, since a normal stop didn't work: > > [identry@on:log]> sudo /usr/local/etc/rc.d/snmpd stop > Stopping snmpd. > Waiting for PIDS: 45136t, 45136op, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, > 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, > 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, > 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, > 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, > 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, 45136, > 45136, 45136, 45136^C > [identry@on:log]> sudo kill -SIGKILL 45136 > > This makes me wonder if the process was just hung in some bad way, > eating up cpu cycles? Looks like it was wedged on a single CPU maybe? (If it was spiralling out of control thread-wise, I'd expect to see it chewing up ~400% CPU, e.g. 100% per core). More interesting is the fact that it was taking up 2.6GB of RAM. That reeks of a memory leak somewhere. Maybe the snmpd.conf tried to tie in some shell scripts or executables? I've seen this behaviour at work on Solaris, but it's rare. (More common, we see kernel panics when using old versions of Net-SNMP -- yeah, you read that right, kernel panics. Seems the Solaris kernel has some SNMP support in it -- yes, the kernel!) You would have to work with the Net-SNMP folks to figure out what the cause was. > Out of curiosity, I then restarted it. It seemed to run without problem > after the restart, but after watching it for awhile, I stopped it again. > I don't think it's doing anything useful at the moment. Then keep it off. It opens up a listening port, amongst other things. If you're not using it, don't run it. :-) > Now I'm curious about snmp, so perhaps I'll try to figure out how to get > it to something useful. This machine has 8 hard drives, and is located in > Manhattan, so I would certainly like to be informed if one of the raid > drives went on the blink. That was one of the things he was trying to get > working. Net-SNMP won't give you the status of the RAID. Neither will bsnmpd(10. FreeBSD simply does not have the hooks to make this possible. Someone needs to write the code. I do not recommend relying on shell scripts tied into Net-SNMP to accomplish this either (for a lot of very good reasons); write the code in native C. It also greatly depends on what you're using for RAID. If a hardware controller, good luck getting the status out of an API natively (sans Areca, which I believe offers an API) -- you'll resort to shell scripts and CLI binaries, in which case you're *easily* better off with a cronjob, periodic(8), or a log monitor daemon. It never ceases to amaze me how people to try shove crazy stuff into SNMP stacks which should be done elsewhere. :-) Even Juniper's JunOS, which provides an extensive SNMP extension, does not provide everything desired. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 17:34:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 145701065680 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:34:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jalmberg@identry.com) Received: from mx1.identry.com (on.identry.com [66.111.0.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B046F8FC16 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:34:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jalmberg@identry.com) Received: (qmail 52166 invoked by uid 89); 19 Nov 2008 17:34:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.110?) (jalmberg@75.127.142.66) by mx1.identry.com with ESMTPA; 19 Nov 2008 17:34:57 -0000 In-Reply-To: <20081119172649.GA3139@icarus.home.lan> References: <20081119164919.GA2347@icarus.home.lan> <20081119172649.GA3139@icarus.home.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Almberg Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:34:55 -0500 To: Jeremy Chadwick X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: snmpd strangeness X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:34:59 -0000 >> Now I'm curious about snmp, so perhaps I'll try to figure out how >> to get >> it to something useful. This machine has 8 hard drives, and is >> located in >> Manhattan, so I would certainly like to be informed if one of the >> raid >> drives went on the blink. That was one of the things he was trying >> to get >> working. > > Net-SNMP won't give you the status of the RAID. Neither will bsnmpd > (10. > FreeBSD simply does not have the hooks to make this possible. Someone > needs to write the code. I do not recommend relying on shell scripts > tied into Net-SNMP to accomplish this either (for a lot of very good > reasons); write the code in native C. > > It also greatly depends on what you're using for RAID. If a hardware > controller, good luck getting the status out of an API natively (sans > Areca, which I believe offers an API) -- you'll resort to shell > scripts > and CLI binaries, in which case you're *easily* better off with a > cronjob, periodic(8), or a log monitor daemon. This machine has an Intel motherboard and a hardware raid controller. From what I can tell, there is some Intel software installed on the machine that makes hardware faults visible to snmp. That last sentence makes it sound like I know more than I do about this situation. I'm just reading from notes. :-) And I have an Intel disk that came with the motherboard that hints at the same type of thing. I've just scanned the docs on the disk... looks extraordinarily complicated. I think I'll leave this to a rainy day when I have nothing to do (ha!) -- John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 17:53:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CD111065674 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:53:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 836D58FC17 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:53:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJHrm85007091; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:53:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAJHrlUi007088; 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Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:56:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dhorn2000@gmail.com) Received: from hs-out-0708.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4E2D8FC13 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:56:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dhorn2000@gmail.com) Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 54so60441hsz.11 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:56:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=quJUftMV3TtyPJRVMBHP586ISsMwn9RAdNmAPgyIYDM=; b=JsbZj3bojnF2mZwR+IFibGQ1B0HAmfcvDYR3sIcVpOoCV8+O0QIC3xoO3avvatDTjI 1/m7mz9bJCyONBAeM3SzyIumCE0tj9lMcHYSs+oRiwRK3l5xZQwVSDKDE4YMAP5mkWeH of6mOSjG9r1bdpJeskYEueSujXk+2xyJ6yQz0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Zh83qcRHpjEMGnd6gzYBgNiY1fEND3A9DOlndP4+r4G0O1Ppfxsf3jLRzlsH8bpgW7 bPjZjMCYhaNbd7DSOYeFUe9bqAHKV7YRSHtnvztl08DI0mmZitXJR6umyZr5KUET7dLQ BPYgz9SA+pLIcDkHmfBABYe6HddDXZakOeTyE= Received: by 10.150.50.1 with SMTP id x1mr2526433ybx.249.1227120977414; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:56:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.144.19 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:56:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <25ff90d60811191056pba65cbatf4c7ad693f70f28@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:56:17 -0500 From: "David Horn" To: "Derek Ragona" In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20081119062849.02693de0@mail.computinginnovations.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6.0.0.22.2.20081117193403.025dfa50@mail.computinginnovations.com> <25ff90d60811172223t226714aq6e8202b19a2c8bfb@mail.gmail.com> <6.0.0.22.2.20081118055913.026155c0@mail.computinginnovations.com> <25ff90d60811181050w48d78914m5911bc1c04f4552@mail.gmail.com> <6.0.0.22.2.20081119062849.02693de0@mail.computinginnovations.com> Cc: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: smbfs 2 GB file size limit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:56:20 -0000 On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 7:37 AM, Derek Ragona wrote: > At 12:50 PM 11/18/2008, David Horn wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 7:06 AM, Derek Ragona > wrote: >> At 12:23 AM 11/18/2008, David Horn wrote: >> >> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Derek Ragona >> wrote: >>> I have FreeBSD 7.0 Release and if I mount_smbfs a network NTFS share I >>> have >>> a 2 GB size limit on files. I checked the handbook and list archives but >>> have not found a solution. >> >> I just ran a quick test, and was not able to reproduce this issue with >> the mount_smbfs from FreeBSD 7.0. I tried against a Windows 2003 >> Server SP2, Windows XP SP3, and Samba 3.0 {on FreeBSD 7} with a 3.5GB >> file. >> >> Was your issue with reading from or writing to a SMB share ? >> >> It was writing to a smb share. >> >> >> What is the server software and OS version ? >> (if Microsoft Windows, please include Service Pack number as well, as >> it might make a difference) >> >> Windows 2003 server 32bit. >> >> How much disk space is left on your server volume ? >> >> Over a terabyte free >> >> Are there disk quotas enabled on the server ? >> >> None >> >> What error message are you getting from your FreeBSD client (if any) ? >> >> No error message, it just stopped writing at 1 Gb. I was doing this using >> scp. > > Whoa, hopefully you just made a few typos here, or we are going down > the wrong path of investigation. > > Did you really mean to say scp or cp ? > scp(1) - secure copy (remote file copy program) > cp(1) - copy files > > If you really meant scp, then the problem is not mount_smbfs, but > instead likely a buggy scp client or server (which does not use smb > for transport, but ssh) > > What is the exact byte count that your write stops at ? You > originally stated 2GB, then 1GB. > > This problem occurs under the following scenario: > > I have a windows share mounted on a FreeBSD 7.0 release (i386) using > mount_smbfs. > > I was trying to scp from another server on the LAN to this share a 30GB > file. The scp only copied 2 GB of that 30 GB file. This was using the scp > on FreeBSD 7.0. > > I will try another scp application to determine if it is the scp, or > mount_smbfs. You may want to just do single variable tests to determine for certain if you are having a problem with scp or with smb. - First test: cp >2GB file directly from the FreeBSD local disk file system to a mounted smbfs file system - Second test: scp >2GB file from remote (other server) to FreeBSD local disk Once you figure out which one is the problem, you can try changing variables within that scope. For example, if the issue seems to be scp, try using sftp (both use ssh transport). You could also try updating ssh on both machines. If you are running OpenSSH prior to 4.4 on any machine, there was a known bug with scp and large files that only affects some platforms. (ssh -v will show your version) See ftp://ftp.ca.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/OpenSSH/portable/ChangeLog under 20060318 If the problem seems to be smbfs, then try a smbclient test. That's about all I can think of at the moment. Good Luck. --_Dave > > I know the server I was coping from via SCP is not an issue. I was able to > transfer that 30 GB file from that source server to another *nix server on > the LAN. > > > >> >> Can you check the smb server logs and see if you are getting any error >> messages there ? >> >> Well I'm just mounting the volume to FreeBSD from the Windows server so >> not >> sure I'll find much in the logs besides the system log, but I will look. >> >> You may want to get a Wireshark trace and see if you can capture the >> SMB error message/error code. >> >> I have heard of people running into similar problems when running >> against older server software (NT 4.0/old samba) when the SMB session >> did not negotiate large file/large write support (a function of the >> SMB server capabilities session negotiation) >> >> I saw posts to that effect and that you needed samba 3.x to support large >> files sizes, and the lfs option. But the mount_smbfs doesn't offer any >> large file option. >> > > Only bother with this next bit if you are morbidly curious as to how > things work rather than just want to solve your problem, as it gets > into the nitty gritty details of smb: > > mount_smbfs will allow for lfs (CAP_LARGE_FILE) automatically by > specifying it's dialect capabilities in the smb negotiation. > > If you umount your smb share, then start a tcpdump you can capture the > smb negotiation "Capabilities" bitmask to see if CAP_LARGE_FILE is > being negotiated - the server specifies this capability. The client > just sends the dialects of smb supported. For example: > > tcpdump -vvv -s 1500 -i em0 host server.example.com | grep Capabilities > > { where em0 is the network interface in use on FreeBSD and > server.example.com is the hostname/ip address of your smb server } > > Then do a mount of the smb share (while tcpdump is running) and you > should capture the Capabilities negotiated. > > For example: > > Capabilities=0x1F3FD > > If you decode the bitmask by using this reference : > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa302230.aspx {hint: only > look at the last four bytes of the Capabilities line (e.g. F3FD in my > example)} Or if you have kernel source installed, you can look in > /usr/src/sys/netsmb/smb.h for the details. > > - Capabilities: 0x0001F3FD > RawMode: (...............................1) Supports > SMB_COM_READ_RAW and SMB_COM_WRITE_RAW (CAP_RAW_MODE) > MpxMode: (..............................0.) No > Support for SMB_COM_READ_MPX or SMB_COM_WRITE_MPX (CAP_MPX_MODE) > Unicode: (.............................1..) Supports > Unicode Strings (CAP_UNICODE) > LargeFiles: (............................1...) Supports > large files with 64-bit offsets (CAP_LARGE_FILES) > NTSMBs: (...........................1....) Supports > SMB NTLM 0.12 dialect commands (implies CAP_NT_FIND) (CAP_NT_SMBS) > RPCRemoteAPIs: (..........................1.....) Supports > remote API requests using RPC over named pipe connections > (CAP_RPC_REMOTE_APIS) > NTStatus: (.........................1......) Can > respond with 32-bit NT status codes in Status (CAP_NT_STATUS) > LevelIIOplocks: (........................1.......) Supports > Level II oplocks ( CAP_LEVEL_II_OPLOCKS) > LockAndRead: (.......................1........) Supports > SMB_COM_LOCK_AND_READ and SMB_COM_WRITE_AND_UNLOCK (CAP_LOCK_AND_READ) > NtFind: (......................1.........) Supports > Windows NT information level requests (SMB_QUERY_?, SMB_SET_?) > (CAP_NT_FIND) > Reserved_bits10_11: (....................00..........) Reserved > Dfs: (...................1............) This > server is Distributed File System (Dfs) aware (via > TRANS2_GET_DFS_REFERRAL) (CAP_DFS) > InfolevelPassthru: (..................1.............) Supports > Windows NT information level pass-through requests > [SMB_INFO_PASSTHROUGH] (CAP_INFOLEVEL_PASSTHRU) > LargeReadx: (.................1..............) Supports > large read operations (CAP_LARGE_READX) > LargeWritex: (................1...............) Supports > large write operations (CAP_LARGE_WRITEX) > Lwio: (...............1................) Reserved > > Thanks for that info. I will try this, as I am both curious about what the > problem may be and interested to verify what mount_smbfs is allowing. > > -Derek > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 18:58:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E28C1065679 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:58:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 272818FC0C for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:58:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id h5ck1a00516AWCUA66yZ2U; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:58:33 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id h6yV1a00f2P6wsM8S6yVp8; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:58:30 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=RlxdWL8oEkTj3bnK7PUA:9 a=zoCoxZ_i1bQR5C0qp9cA:7 a=k0WDbfapbcEcnpYfNOVcp2BcXfAA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 79E9B33C1C; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:58:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:58:29 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: John Almberg Message-ID: <20081119185829.GA4786@icarus.home.lan> References: <20081119164919.GA2347@icarus.home.lan> <20081119172649.GA3139@icarus.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: snmpd strangeness X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:58:34 -0000 On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 12:34:55PM -0500, John Almberg wrote: >>> Now I'm curious about snmp, so perhaps I'll try to figure out how to >>> get >>> it to something useful. This machine has 8 hard drives, and is >>> located in >>> Manhattan, so I would certainly like to be informed if one of the >>> raid >>> drives went on the blink. That was one of the things he was trying >>> to get >>> working. >> >> Net-SNMP won't give you the status of the RAID. Neither will bsnmpd >> (10. >> FreeBSD simply does not have the hooks to make this possible. Someone >> needs to write the code. I do not recommend relying on shell scripts >> tied into Net-SNMP to accomplish this either (for a lot of very good >> reasons); write the code in native C. >> >> It also greatly depends on what you're using for RAID. If a hardware >> controller, good luck getting the status out of an API natively (sans >> Areca, which I believe offers an API) -- you'll resort to shell >> scripts >> and CLI binaries, in which case you're *easily* better off with a >> cronjob, periodic(8), or a log monitor daemon. > > This machine has an Intel motherboard and a hardware raid controller. > From what I can tell, there is some Intel software installed on the > machine that makes hardware faults visible to snmp. That would require Net-SNMP to be linked to that software (or library) directly. Two things can't just "magically talk" to one another. :-) AFAIK, Intel does not provide such software on FreeBSD, but I could be complete wrong here. They primarily focus on Linux, like most companies do. > That last sentence makes it sound like I know more than I do about this > situation. I'm just reading from notes. :-) > > And I have an Intel disk that came with the motherboard that hints at > the same type of thing. I've just scanned the docs on the disk... looks > extraordinarily complicated. I don't know what controller it is, but Net-SNMP doesn't have any sort of out-of-the-box support for any kind of RAID card. See above for what's needed. I just hope the card is an actual RAID card and not BIOS-level RAID like Intel MatrixRAID. If it is MatrixRAID, I highly recommend you back the entire machine up and reinstall without MatrixRAID, otherwise when you lose a disk or need to rebuild your array, you'll find your array broken/gone, be completely unable to rebuild it, or kernel panics. Note that all of this stuff works just fine on Linux; the issues listed are with FreeBSD. Generally speaking, we (the open-source world) have gotten to the point with OS-based software RAID (e.g. Linux LVM, FreeBSD ccd/gvinum/ZFS, OpenSolaris ZFS) where it offers significant advantages over hardware RAID. There are good reasons to use hardware RAID, but in those scenarios admins should be looking at buying an actual filer, e.g. Network Appliance. Otherwise, for "simple" systems (even stuff like 2U or 3U boxes with many disks, e.g. a "low-cost filer"), stick with some form of OS-based software RAID if possible. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 19:06:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84BF41065678 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:06:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sfourman@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31FEE8FC12 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:06:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sfourman@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so60180yxb.13 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:06:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=WWtP6r8CaBvchXEeO+SevYq/ey+aiYfHXPGXVk7pc7k=; b=sO7KrJVgZ6u31aKOEF3yiN22sOn9J7NjJ+8DR9+nq4Ssf+39AZ82WEe7Ekt7qxe0L5 2eakJloZoqnwmJ30mYlETrPxhADH+QC5JekvL6/VFZ/nfaUq+6e7jrCPKljekTUBDQl+ r8OH4knpkdIHmqgPu/aEEGGVH6D4xAUSDJfg0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Zl8ZU1UcpbvfcPuV+OhUciPTC3Do8AzebtDcY8SHO/AiJ+Dn9C0txv7M1tXSA2Mf9U LoEvh5ui/BBPA2nYxxyecA77VnrR7rjc4i/prptAEVdxEtrWwdMRy7hY36WwsDnYENFA JJDnsWdcHMSYh37XKUvVU7bVfNyH47FOMnpWw= Received: by 10.64.3.5 with SMTP id 5mr1406972qbc.75.1227121120746; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:58:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.51.19 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:58:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <11167f520811191058m7e07c347u272dc9db0a15027d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:58:40 -0600 From: "Sam Fourman Jr." To: "Olivier Nicole" In-Reply-To: <200811191035.mAJAZc21042934@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <006b01c949da$2985e9f0$7c91bdd0$@com> <20081119112554.R6005@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <200811191035.mAJAZc21042934@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> Cc: wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, ghartl@gmail.com Subject: Re: Running X without a videocard X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:06:30 -0000 > X windows has client/server built into the protocol: you can run an X > application on a machine that has no video card and display the result > on another machine that has video facility and an X display (called an > X server). Does anyone know of a tutorial or a how-to, I would like to try this out. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 19:12:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA9E1065672 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:12:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA4308FC12 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:12:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 3440 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2008 19:12:31 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 19 Nov 2008 19:12:31 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 177685085A; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:12:28 -0500 (EST) To: "Gary Hartl" References: <005701c949ce$bf38ef80$3daace80$@com> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:12:27 -0500 In-Reply-To: <005701c949ce$bf38ef80$3daace80$@com> (Gary Hartl's message of "Tue\, 18 Nov 2008 17\:41\:06 -0500") Message-ID: <441vx7cyxw.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: boot-time daemon startup (was Re: Newbie question) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:12:32 -0000 "Gary Hartl" writes: > I've been out of the bsd loop for a bit, i'm trying to setup nagios which is > fine > > > > There are a couple of settings that I either don't remember or never > remembered and forgot that I never knew it. > > > > Ok so nagios is asking me for an rc.d path, which if i recall FBSD doesn't > use it is a linux script path for starting services at different run levels. Any reason you're not installing it from the port? Someone has already done the porting effort for you. FreeBSD doesn't use runlevels in that sense, but it does have a fairly involved rc.d facility. Try "man rc.d". > So does FBSD emulate it for certain packages cause Nagios finds it at > /usr/local/etc/rc.d but the only thing i have in it is webmin.sh which is > for my webmin interface (although I must confess I'm not sure why it is > there or what it is doing). Presumably you installed webmin from the ports system? > I must also admit i feel rather retarded, since I used to know this stuff > like the back of my hand, but it's been 6-7 years since i've been actively > using FBSD but am looking to get back into it. That's okay; things haven't stayed static in the FreeBSD world anyway. > Rc.d anyone? On FreeBSD? Everyone, pretty much. > My assumption is that FBSD is using inetd for starting services correct? No. inetd isn't even started these days unless you override FreeBSD's defaults on purpose. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 19:37:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9E191065674 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:37:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jalmberg@identry.com) Received: from mx1.identry.com (on.identry.com [66.111.0.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A2E58FC12 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:37:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jalmberg@identry.com) Received: (qmail 66104 invoked by uid 89); 19 Nov 2008 19:37:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.110?) (jalmberg@75.127.142.66) by mx1.identry.com with ESMTPA; 19 Nov 2008 19:37:06 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081119185829.GA4786@icarus.home.lan> References: <20081119164919.GA2347@icarus.home.lan> <20081119172649.GA3139@icarus.home.lan> <20081119185829.GA4786@icarus.home.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Almberg Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:37:05 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: Re: snmpd strangeness X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:37:07 -0000 >> This machine has an Intel motherboard and a hardware raid controller. >> From what I can tell, there is some Intel software installed on the >> machine that makes hardware faults visible to snmp. > > That would require Net-SNMP to be linked to that software (or library) > directly. Two things can't just "magically talk" to one another. :-) As I said, I really have no idea. Now that I'm reading more deeply in the notes... the monitoring was supposed to be with IPMI. No idea what that is, either, but I thought I'd toss it into the mix. > > AFAIK, Intel does not provide such software on FreeBSD, but I could be > complete wrong here. They primarily focus on Linux, like most > companies > do. > >> That last sentence makes it sound like I know more than I do about >> this >> situation. I'm just reading from notes. :-) >> >> And I have an Intel disk that came with the motherboard that hints at >> the same type of thing. I've just scanned the docs on the disk... >> looks >> extraordinarily complicated. > > I don't know what controller it is, but Net-SNMP doesn't have any sort > of out-of-the-box support for any kind of RAID card. See above for > what's needed. > > I just hope the card is an actual RAID card and not BIOS-level RAID > like > Intel MatrixRAID. If it is MatrixRAID, I highly recommend you back > the > entire machine up and reinstall without MatrixRAID, otherwise when you > lose a disk or need to rebuild your array, you'll find your array > broken/gone, be completely unable to rebuild it, or kernel panics. > Note > that all of this stuff works just fine on Linux; the issues listed are > with FreeBSD. > > Generally speaking, we (the open-source world) have gotten to the > point > with OS-based software RAID (e.g. Linux LVM, FreeBSD ccd/gvinum/ZFS, > OpenSolaris ZFS) where it offers significant advantages over hardware > RAID. There are good reasons to use hardware RAID, but in those > scenarios admins should be looking at buying an actual filer, e.g. > Network Appliance. Otherwise, for "simple" systems (even stuff like > 2U or 3U boxes with many disks, e.g. a "low-cost filer"), stick with > some form of OS-based software RAID if possible. > That's good to know. I was told just the opposite by the guy selling the $650 RAID cards. Who'd have thunk? The card in the box is a Intel 18E PCI-Express x8 SAS/SATA2 Hardware ROMB RAID with 128MB Memory Module and 72 Hour Battery Backup Cache $625 as shown on the packing list, so I hope it's a good one. -- John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 19:43:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 380161065677 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:43:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE0F8FC21 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:43:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8428AFC1C6; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:43:12 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:43:09 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <20081119185829.GA4786@icarus.home.lan> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811192043.10760.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: John Almberg Subject: Re: snmpd strangeness X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:43:14 -0000 On Wednesday 19 November 2008 20:37:05 John Almberg wrote: > >> This machine has an Intel motherboard and a hardware raid controller. > >> From what I can tell, there is some Intel software installed on the > >> machine that makes hardware faults visible to snmp. > > > > That would require Net-SNMP to be linked to that software (or library) > > directly. Two things can't just "magically talk" to one another. :-) > > As I said, I really have no idea. > > Now that I'm reading more deeply in the notes... the monitoring was > supposed to be with IPMI. No idea what that is, either, but I thought > I'd toss it into the mix. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_Platform_Management_Interface -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 19:48:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF6D1065670 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:48:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8BE48FC19 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:48:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id h2pV1a00E0FhH24A97ov7c; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:48:55 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id h7ot1a00V2P6wsM8U7ouxo; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:48:54 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=IhW0uHGjJNF5GRNn9yoA:9 a=u19SU0OBjNBRp8c5FE0ubqKR0QUA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B2FF533C1C; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:48:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:48:53 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: John Almberg Message-ID: <20081119194853.GA5901@icarus.home.lan> References: <20081119164919.GA2347@icarus.home.lan> <20081119172649.GA3139@icarus.home.lan> <20081119185829.GA4786@icarus.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: snmpd strangeness X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:48:56 -0000 On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 02:37:05PM -0500, John Almberg wrote: >>> This machine has an Intel motherboard and a hardware raid controller. >>> From what I can tell, there is some Intel software installed on the >>> machine that makes hardware faults visible to snmp. >> >> That would require Net-SNMP to be linked to that software (or library) >> directly. Two things can't just "magically talk" to one another. :-) > > As I said, I really have no idea. > > Now that I'm reading more deeply in the notes... the monitoring was > supposed to be with IPMI. No idea what that is, either, but I thought > I'd toss it into the mix. Ah, IPMI... it's another one of those technologies which is a great idea, but often horribly implemented. The most common use is for remote management (serial-over-IP, or even KVM-over-IP), access to hardware sensors (fans, temps, voltages), and for some other monitoring-related things. It's very useful -- when it works. :-) On Intel boards (native Intel IPMI) it might be great. There's been a lot of problem reports with Supermicro's IPMI, and most are IPMI card firmware bugs. >> I just hope the card is an actual RAID card and not BIOS-level RAID >> like >> Intel MatrixRAID. If it is MatrixRAID, I highly recommend you back >> the >> entire machine up and reinstall without MatrixRAID, otherwise when you >> lose a disk or need to rebuild your array, you'll find your array >> broken/gone, be completely unable to rebuild it, or kernel panics. >> Note >> that all of this stuff works just fine on Linux; the issues listed are >> with FreeBSD. >> >> Generally speaking, we (the open-source world) have gotten to the >> point >> with OS-based software RAID (e.g. Linux LVM, FreeBSD ccd/gvinum/ZFS, >> OpenSolaris ZFS) where it offers significant advantages over hardware >> RAID. There are good reasons to use hardware RAID, but in those >> scenarios admins should be looking at buying an actual filer, e.g. >> Network Appliance. Otherwise, for "simple" systems (even stuff like >> 2U or 3U boxes with many disks, e.g. a "low-cost filer"), stick with >> some form of OS-based software RAID if possible. >> > > That's good to know. I was told just the opposite by the guy selling the > $650 RAID cards. Who'd have thunk? Well, hardware RAID has a specific purpose. I like them for the fact that they add a layer of abstraction in front of the OS; that is to say, some of them are bootable even with RAID-5. FreeBSD's bootloader has a lot of difficulty booting off of different things, so adding a layer of abstraction in front is useful. For example, take into consideration that you can't get kernel panic dumps (to disk) using gmirror without a bunch of rigmarole. I forget which GEOM method it is, but one of them you can't boot off of easily. gvinum? geli? I can't remember. There's one or two that the bootstraps don't work with. Hardware RAID can help solve that. > The card in the box is a > > Intel 18E PCI-Express x8 SAS/SATA2 Hardware ROMB RAID with 128MB Memory > Module and 72 Hour Battery Backup Cache > > $625 as shown on the packing list, so I hope it's a good one. Ah, I think it's hardware RAID, and PCIe to boot. Yes, I would recommend keeping that! What does it show up as under FreeBSD? I'm curious what driver it uses, and what your disks show up as (daX or adX; probably daX). -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. 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(jalmberg@75.127.142.66) by mx1.identry.com with ESMTPA; 19 Nov 2008 20:47:07 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081119194853.GA5901@icarus.home.lan> References: <20081119164919.GA2347@icarus.home.lan> <20081119172649.GA3139@icarus.home.lan> <20081119185829.GA4786@icarus.home.lan> <20081119194853.GA5901@icarus.home.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <38EB8435-EBD8-463B-9D64-C0E6B849E69E@identry.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Almberg Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:47:05 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: Re: snmpd strangeness X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:47:09 -0000 >> The card in the box is a >> >> Intel 18E PCI-Express x8 SAS/SATA2 Hardware ROMB RAID with 128MB >> Memory >> Module and 72 Hour Battery Backup Cache >> >> $625 as shown on the packing list, so I hope it's a good one. > > Ah, I think it's hardware RAID, and PCIe to boot. Yes, I would > recommend keeping that! What does it show up as under FreeBSD? I'm > curious what driver it uses, and what your disks show up as (daX or > adX; > probably daX). H'mmm... You are revealing great gaps in my knowledge today, Jeremy. Not that that's hard to do... I've been looking in dmesg.boot and fstab for clues... Not sure if that is where I should be looking, but I figured there would be mount messages in dmsg.boot. Unfortunately, there is a whole bunch of stuff in there I have no clue about. Fascinating reading, though! Does mf0/mf1 sound correct? If not, how would I find the driver info? Typical line in fstab: /dev/mfid0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 -- John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 20:53:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C638B106564A for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:53:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1503B8FC13 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:53:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.60]) by QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id h8Sh1a00R1HzFnQ568tUgc; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:53:28 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id h8t41a00F2P6wsM3a8t4vv; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:53:05 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=1YPO4AZsB-ecLVO-jtcA:9 a=XtrMmcjOLdSmO-Bex9XuO_S2lzgA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C030833C1C; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:53:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:53:26 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: John Almberg Message-ID: <20081119205326.GA7460@icarus.home.lan> References: <20081119164919.GA2347@icarus.home.lan> <20081119172649.GA3139@icarus.home.lan> <20081119185829.GA4786@icarus.home.lan> <20081119194853.GA5901@icarus.home.lan> <38EB8435-EBD8-463B-9D64-C0E6B849E69E@identry.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <38EB8435-EBD8-463B-9D64-C0E6B849E69E@identry.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: snmpd strangeness X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:53:29 -0000 On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 03:47:05PM -0500, John Almberg wrote: >>> The card in the box is a >>> >>> Intel 18E PCI-Express x8 SAS/SATA2 Hardware ROMB RAID with 128MB >>> Memory >>> Module and 72 Hour Battery Backup Cache >>> >>> $625 as shown on the packing list, so I hope it's a good one. >> >> Ah, I think it's hardware RAID, and PCIe to boot. Yes, I would >> recommend keeping that! What does it show up as under FreeBSD? I'm >> curious what driver it uses, and what your disks show up as (daX or >> adX; >> probably daX). > > H'mmm... You are revealing great gaps in my knowledge today, Jeremy. Not > that that's hard to do... > > I've been looking in dmesg.boot and fstab for clues... Not sure if that > is where I should be looking, but I figured there would be mount > messages in dmsg.boot. Unfortunately, there is a whole bunch of stuff in > there I have no clue about. Fascinating reading, though! > > Does mf0/mf1 sound correct? > > If not, how would I find the driver info? Typical line in fstab: > > /dev/mfid0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 That's mfi(4), which is kinda "its own thing" (neither daX nor adX). Still perfectly usable/decent, and Scott Long (as I call him, "famous SCSI guy" ;-) ) wrote the driver, so support for it should be available. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 21:09:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49EC6106567A for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:09:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from OttK@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (kalah.zzz.ee [194.204.30.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F22248FC18 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:09:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from OttK@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (localhost.zzz.ee [127.0.0.1]) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 081B8FD0D1 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:09:27 +0200 (EET) Received: by zzz.ee (Postfix, from userid 3019) id 0652DFD0CE; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:09:26 +0200 (EET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin on spamassassin.zzz.ee X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Guessed-Language: X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RDNS_DYNAMIC, SPF_SOFTFAIL X-Spam-Checker-URL: http://info.zzz.ee Received: from [192.168.1.64] (87-119-181-26.tll.elisa.ee [87.119.181.26]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18C57FD0C3 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:09:25 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <49248082.5020903@zzz.ee> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:09:22 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ott_K=F6stner?= Organization: TIGMA AS User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081119164919.GA2347@icarus.home.lan> <20081119172649.GA3139@icarus.home.lan> <20081119185829.GA4786@icarus.home.lan> <20081119194853.GA5901@icarus.home.lan> <38EB8435-EBD8-463B-9D64-C0E6B849E69E@identry.com> In-Reply-To: <38EB8435-EBD8-463B-9D64-C0E6B849E69E@identry.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP @zzz.ee Subject: Re: snmpd strangeness X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:09:34 -0000 John Almberg wrote: > If not, how would I find the driver info? Typical line in fstab: > > /dev/mfid0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 > Hey! # mount to see what is mounted # sysctl dev.mfi to see mfi information I am using mfi in one of my systems. Mfi is LSI MegaSAS. Very good and fast raid controller, but unfortunatelly without management software for BSD. :) O.K. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 21:20:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09AE1065672 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:20:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 863F58FC14 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:20:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1L2uTE-0002FG-Ay for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:20:20 +0000 Received: from 93-141-125-229.adsl.net.t-com.hr ([93.141.125.229]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:20:20 +0000 Received: from ivoras by 93-141-125-229.adsl.net.t-com.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:20:20 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:20:08 +0100 Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <019501c9491c$84ee6e20$8ecb4a60$@com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig849A2E9EB85C09EA8042E102" X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 93-141-125-229.adsl.net.t-com.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) In-Reply-To: <019501c9491c$84ee6e20$8ecb4a60$@com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Sender: news Subject: Re: realtime network replication X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:20:25 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig849A2E9EB85C09EA8042E102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ansar Mohammed wrote: > Hello all, >=20 > I need to replicate /home between two freebsd servers in real time (no > scheduled rsyncs) >=20 > =20 >=20 > What are my options? Maybe the best option for you would be http://www.furquim.org/chironfs/index.en.html used in combination with NF= S. 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(dyn.144-85-160-180.dsl.vtx.ch [144.85.160.180]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm1367331fge.8.2008.11.19.13.12.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:12:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3CB03DCC-DCC0-4A4D-8F7D-2184CD0A52BF@gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Nikola_Kne=C5=BEevi=C4=87?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:12:21 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Compiling C++ modules X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:35:05 -0000 Hi, what are the recommended CXXFLAGS for C++ code which should go in kernel module? Yes, I know C++ in kernel is a bad idea, but those are the requirements... Best, Nikola From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 21:50:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7433D1065678 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:50:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3F618FC0A for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:50:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAJLoNgv008579; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:50:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAJLoMjw008576; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:50:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:50:22 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: "Sam Fourman Jr." In-Reply-To: <11167f520811191058m7e07c347u272dc9db0a15027d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081119224923.L8555@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <006b01c949da$2985e9f0$7c91bdd0$@com> <20081119112554.R6005@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <200811191035.mAJAZc21042934@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <11167f520811191058m7e07c347u272dc9db0a15027d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Olivier Nicole , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, ghartl@gmail.com Subject: Re: Running X without a videocard X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:50:50 -0000 >> X windows has client/server built into the protocol: you can run an X >> application on a machine that has no video card and display the result >> on another machine that has video facility and an X display (called an >> X server). > > Does anyone know of a tutorial or a how-to, I would like to try this out. > > i already answered it before DISPLAY variable must point to display like IP-number:0 (or non-zero if you have more than 1 display :) and computer with display must allow remote connections man xhost From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 23:38:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E2F41065674 for ; 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charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081119224923.L8555@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 OpenPKG/% (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: Running X without a videocard X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@celestial.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:38:42 -0000 On Wed, Nov 19, 2008, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> X windows has client/server built into the protocol: you can run an X >>> application on a machine that has no video card and display the result >>> on another machine that has video facility and an X display (called an >>> X server). >> >> Does anyone know of a tutorial or a how-to, I would like to try this out. >> >> > i already answered it before > > DISPLAY variable must point to display > > like IP-number:0 (or non-zero if you have more than 1 display :) > > and computer with display must allow remote connections This complexity of DISPLAY ans xhost is why I find it far easier to use ssh to make connections where I want to run X-clients. On the remote system to which one is connecting, make sure that the sshd_config file has ``X11Forwarding yes'' (and perhaps also ``ForwardX11Trusted yes''). Restart the sshd process if these need to be changed. There are corresponding options in the ssh_config file. The easiest way to execute a remote X-Client is probably This runs the remote program with the local username. The ``-f'' option automatically runs it in background, detaching from the current session. ssh -f -Y remotesystem path_to_x_client These run as a different user on the remote system. ssh -f -Y -l remoteusername remotesystem path_to_x_client ssh -f -Y remoteusername@remotesystem path_to_x_client If I may to be running multiple x-clients on the remote system, I will generally connect with an xterm, then launch the x-clients from that connection. There are two options here, the first on fast links where I want to run the xterm on the remote system, the second for slow links running the xterm on the local system. In the first, one may have to specify the full path to the xterm executable if it's not in the default PATH that sshd will set up. ssh -f -Y remoteusername@remotesystem xterm xterm -e ssh remoteusername@remotesystem & Letting ssh take care of the DISPLAY makes life a lot easier than having to mess with it and xhosts manually, not to mention that it's far more secure than telnet. The ssh connections may well be compressed making remote connections seem faster than a straight telnet session even on a LAN (nobody would telnet over the Internet in an unencypted connection would they :-). Bill -- INTERNET: bill@celestial.com Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way Voice: (206) 236-1676 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820 Fax: (206) 232-9186 Freedom from prices is freedom from responsibility. You can simply pass laws, using the magic wand of government to satisfy your own desires at unspecified costs to be paid by others. -- Thomas Sowell Aug 2000 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 00:49:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03971065670 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:49:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (12-32-44-142.static.blackfoot.net [12.32.44.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B2298FC12 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:49:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from [12.32.36.74] (freshstart.dreamchaser.org. [12.32.36.74]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id mAK0HDCJ061771 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:17:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <4924ACAA.2020102@dreamchaser.org> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:17:46 -0700 From: freebsd@dreamchaser.org User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.36.65]); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:17:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: hardware compatibility question: intel e7200 + foxconn g31mg-s mobo X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:49:52 -0000 After having been burned with an AMD cpu/mobo combination that wouldn't run 6.x reliabably which I consequently had to sell, I'm going to ask first. My search of the archives (questions and hardware) came up empty, but that seems likely given that both say their archive index was last updated clear back in Feb of 2007, despite the note saying they are updated every 24 hours... Can anyone vouch for running 6.x or 7.0 on an intel e7200 with a foxconn g31mg-s mobo? I was hoping to run this as a low power system but after reading this http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=18410+20569+/usr/local/www/db/text/2008/freebsd-hardware/20080727.freebsd-hardware and my past experiences I'm a bit concerned unless someone can vouch for it. Barring that, can someone suggest a low power (particularly when idle) core 2 duo processor mobo combination? Thanks, Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 01:16:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E4B3106564A for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:16:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A8C8FC17 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:16:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAK1FUpa074410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:15:30 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.14.2/8.12.11) id mAK1GJKq073848; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:16:19 +0700 (ICT) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:16:19 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200811200116.mAK1GJKq073848@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <20081119233840.GA14744@ayn.mi.celestial.com> (message from Bill Campbell on Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:38:40 -0800) References: <006b01c949da$2985e9f0$7c91bdd0$@com> <20081119112554.R6005@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <200811191035.mAJAZc21042934@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <11167f520811191058m7e07c347u272dc9db0a15027d@mail.gmail.com> <20081119224923.L8555@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081119233840.GA14744@ayn.mi.celestial.com> X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Subject: Re: Running X without a videocard X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:16:24 -0000 > This complexity of DISPLAY ans xhost is why I find it far easier to use ssh > to make connections where I want to run X-clients. There is this command that I tend to like, to be run in a trusted environment only (but using DISPLAY and xhost means that your network is already trusted): xrsh. It connects using the same rules/permissions as rsh, but it also exports the DISPLAY, and it leaves no process waiting on the machine where you executed xrsh. Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 01:17:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E97581065672 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:17:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09FB68FC23 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:17:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAK1GKex074433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:16:20 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.14.2/8.12.11) id mAK1H9Y0073881; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:17:09 +0700 (ICT) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:17:09 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200811200117.mAK1H9Y0073881@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, ghartl@gmail.com In-reply-to: <20081119224923.L8555@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> (message from Wojciech Puchar on Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:50:22 +0100 (CET)) References: <006b01c949da$2985e9f0$7c91bdd0$@com> <20081119112554.R6005@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <200811191035.mAJAZc21042934@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <11167f520811191058m7e07c347u272dc9db0a15027d@mail.gmail.com> <20081119224923.L8555@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Cc: Subject: Re: Running X without a videocard X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:17:15 -0000 > DISPLAY variable must point to display > like IP-number:0 (or non-zero if you have more than 1 display :) Shouldn't that be IP-number:0.0 ? Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 01:34:21 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D67E1065672 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:34:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd1@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EED128FC0A for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:34:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd1@a1poweruser.com) Received: from [10.0.10.6] ([202.69.172.199]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:33:21 -0800 Message-ID: <4924BEB9.7080806@a1poweruser.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:34:49 +0800 From: Fbsd1 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: glarkin@FreeBSD.org References: <4924102E.9040208@a1poweruser.com> <492418A8.9090904@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <492418A8.9090904@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2008 01:33:21.0417 (UTC) FILETIME=[F9022790:01C94AAF] X-Sender: fbsd1@a1poweruser.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: best way to add patch to x11/slim-1.3.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:34:21 -0000 Greg Larkin wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Fbsd1 wrote: >> On the developers website there is a patch i want to apply >> >> http://developer.berlios.de/patch/?func=detailpatch&patch_id=2283&group_id=2663 >> >> >> [ Patch #2283 ] Add a variable to run shutdown commands without root pass. >> >> How can i get "make install" to apply this patch while compiling the port? >> > > Hi Fbsd1, > > Since you've already found a unified diff of the change that you want to > incorporate into the port, you can submit a PR (problem report) using > the form here: http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html. > > Just follow the instructions on that page, and your patch will be > submitted to the PR system. The port maintainer reviews your PR, makes > the necessary change and possibly updates the port's revision number. > You then use portupgrade or some other means to install the new version > of the port with the incorporated patch. > > Hope that helps, > Greg > - -- > Greg Larkin > I submitted PR like you suggested, But i am in need of more immediate results. What changes to the port files do i need to make to get the port to complie in the patch file? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 02:33:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29CEA1065673 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:33:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd1@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A0338FC08 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:33:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd1@a1poweruser.com) Received: from [10.0.10.6] ([202.69.172.199]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:32:19 -0800 Message-ID: <4924CC8C.2050408@a1poweruser.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:33:48 +0800 From: Fbsd1 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2008 02:32:19.0927 (UTC) FILETIME=[361FEE70:01C94AB8] X-Sender: fbsd1@a1poweruser.com Subject: Free usenet nntp servers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:33:15 -0000 In the past (alt.binaries.warez) contained monthly posts of a list of Free usenet nntp servers. I dont have access to a nntp server so I can't search foe the list. Does any one here know of a Free usenet nntp server I can access? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 02:47:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C46111065670 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:47:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sahil@tandon.net) Received: from aegis.hamla.org (aegis.hamla.org [206.251.255.39]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A81E28FC12 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:47:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sahil@tandon.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aegis.hamla.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6EDC5C78 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:49:10 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=tandon.net; h= x-virus-scanned:in-reply-to:content-disposition:content-type :mime-version:references:reply-to:message-id:subject:from:date: received; s=aegis; t=1227149349; bh=PaAPccl+5S+nyML4okaruKSIoNH7 e1yD3z39WVM2t8E=; b=AzDjd+Kzv9AU8URvQ0msxyRu8+K++W2DzBLZtDGFDPq7 YoLCx9cSrCLUV87qFjFR8pdzAgB9JJJv7VP3LuB/X0eIpy0jFBYVYV5v+XKoHvEh dPu5HySzFxopR6LbqYoDynToziX33earwiCnSGwK2exZtcnAo4/qC1Dj3a9Vqi4= Received: from aegis.hamla.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (aegis.hamla.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with LMTP id pzJEaxhwfYNB for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:49:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:47:52 -0500 From: Sahil Tandon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081120024752.GA6961@shepherd> References: <4924CC8C.2050408@a1poweruser.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4924CC8C.2050408@a1poweruser.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on aegis.hamla.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: Free usenet nntp servers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:47:55 -0000 Fbsd1 wrote: > In the past (alt.binaries.warez) contained monthly posts of a list of Free > usenet nntp servers. I dont have access to a nntp server so I can't search > foe the list. Does any one here know of a Free usenet nntp server I can > access? This is not a FreeBSD question. Please check google. -- Sahil Tandon From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 02:52:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98ECB106564A for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:52:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jalmberg@identry.com) Received: from mx1.identry.com (on.identry.com [66.111.0.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24BAE8FC0C for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:52:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jalmberg@identry.com) Received: (qmail 16687 invoked by uid 89); 20 Nov 2008 02:52:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.110?) (jalmberg@75.127.142.66) by mx1.identry.com with ESMTPA; 20 Nov 2008 02:52:26 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <49248082.5020903@zzz.ee> References: <20081119164919.GA2347@icarus.home.lan> <20081119172649.GA3139@icarus.home.lan> <20081119185829.GA4786@icarus.home.lan> <20081119194853.GA5901@icarus.home.lan> <38EB8435-EBD8-463B-9D64-C0E6B849E69E@identry.com> <49248082.5020903@zzz.ee> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4E6B1C06-C291-4BED-A6AA-8DFC7CA0C7CC@identry.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: John Almberg Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:52:24 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: Re: snmpd strangeness X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:52:27 -0000 On Nov 19, 2008, at 4:09 PM, Ott K=F6stner wrote: > John Almberg wrote: > >> If not, how would I find the driver info? Typical line in fstab: >> >> /dev/mfid0s1a / ufs rw =20 >> 1 1 >> > Hey! > > # mount > > to see what is mounted I did this, but /dev/mfid0s1a didn't make much sense to me. > > # sysctl dev.mfi > > to see mfi information This I didn't know about. Thanks! > > I am using mfi in one of my systems. Mfi is LSI MegaSAS. Very good and > fast raid controller, but unfortunatelly without management =20 > software for > BSD. Thanks for the additional info! Brgds: John= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 03:25:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAEEC106564A for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:25:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kitchetech@gmail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60CEB8FC17 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:25:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kitchetech@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k31so263186fkk.11 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:25:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=uQbMpB0Cv0WaSQO1EHW7Y9NFpvtPAKD4QS/lXHZAj0A=; b=M6+9sGlpdmK7RQxDhM0LrodRyVsUNZyxDW4oAGjS6zNHQhrt5Od5FqhNh2+UqH9MG5 DICKztLtatkeYdsIw0H9PTis9hEd4ZBfdzXACtclYkC2ZL62JhHD9lNTjy86p+wwKs2i 3T6KPuL9oVNslo5r1bViPreDOmlH8fHM9ON0o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=e+PNfHK2q7607Hb93WqEB5oEjihh9o2ursm3GqZ3daVI+1KK9Yziqayin4SoSCRfxR B5v/+8ZIlUcXPTBHL5hEIP7N4OAnm9Htz3tSbgsFCW7hZO4Gzsw2gm8CATwg3MLPTGCf Vx2D0Tn57PZS27Qz0HQHRsC/NScvivrPgXvxs= Received: by 10.180.235.10 with SMTP id i10mr562573bkh.58.1227151522693; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:25:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.205.7 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:25:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <28283d910811191925gc80eef1t7c35dc7dd7b3310@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:25:22 -0500 From: "matt donovan" To: Fbsd1 In-Reply-To: <4924BEB9.7080806@a1poweruser.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4924102E.9040208@a1poweruser.com> <492418A8.9090904@FreeBSD.org> <4924BEB9.7080806@a1poweruser.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: glarkin@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: best way to add patch to x11/slim-1.3.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:25:25 -0000 On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 8:34 PM, Fbsd1 wrote: > Greg Larkin wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Fbsd1 wrote: >> >>> On the developers website there is a patch i want to apply >>> >>> >>> http://developer.berlios.de/patch/?func=detailpatch&patch_id=2283&group_id=2663 >>> >>> >>> [ Patch #2283 ] Add a variable to run shutdown commands without root >>> pass. >>> >>> How can i get "make install" to apply this patch while compiling the >>> port? >>> >>> >> Hi Fbsd1, >> >> Since you've already found a unified diff of the change that you want to >> incorporate into the port, you can submit a PR (problem report) using >> the form here: http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html. >> >> Just follow the instructions on that page, and your patch will be >> submitted to the PR system. The port maintainer reviews your PR, makes >> the necessary change and possibly updates the port's revision number. >> You then use portupgrade or some other means to install the new version >> of the port with the incorporated patch. >> >> Hope that helps, >> Greg >> - -- >> Greg Larkin >> >> > I submitted PR like you suggested, But i am in need of more immediate > results. What changes to the port files do i need to make to get the port to > complie in the patch file? > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > If I remember correctly you just add the patch file to the files/ directory under the port with a name like patch- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 03:27:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3187F1065670 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:27:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leadamc1@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 093718FC0A for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:27:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leadamc1@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so246600rvf.43 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:27:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=wfgS0LfALJfPhUU4KpKZyUmTt31e684DDHSOiUaT9iI=; b=lqKgcmrona3B7lr4zMkgxQROw9P56GS45yciHS5J6KIJvo5thvk9zu6PPuVt1c14ab Mgi9Oz78/ouR6iG7or/Yhu5g7as4p5U+8QcYWJnGmltoZWWIr7/cg4DZ2ET8hQpRciE5 UbVnDHhaHTFPESuR6PwRqsDkoUUE8K/SS16iM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=hvkQY5RU2fAEwgIRLVTWXN6cQqiN8qNvAPAycRZN3fLeczTJLUzuwBYq/+8IuAIcc/ SAlCuIWN5SWMWyR2Z5tCBaKUwJhoSdkDX7JJcUMKV787Ex6rUF6Mso/MJun7zzQg5IsF UXcyQeOX4Aerv6JUryrNP9Z09cXXQ1eZ8uI20= Received: by 10.140.171.18 with SMTP id t18mr987426rve.95.1227151674638; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:27:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.132.16 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:27:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:57:54 +1030 From: "Lei Chen" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: motd not compiled properly or ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:27:55 -0000 Hi there, I have compiled myself a RELENG_7 stable version of 7 branch. I did a fresh install on 7.1_prerelease, and cvsup -g -L 2 stable-xxx-cvsup-file make buildworld, everything goes as it should. reboot, mergemaster command shows on file "motd" --7.1_PRERELEASE ++7??:??:?? rest of motd is the same now, based on the above showed result, I pressed "d" to keep original version, because I don't want to have a system message shows 7:??:??:?? Now my question is, how do I just compile the "motd" in source tree, and reinstall just that? Maybe recompile it may make it shows proper version string. Or if there's a method beside make buildworld again, it takes ages on my laptop. -- -- l_. (l-l3n From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 03:36:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EBD61065670 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:36:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ben@b1c1l1.com) Received: from lancer.b1c1l1.com (lancer.b1c1l1.com [72.13.86.100]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BA9E8FC08 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:36:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ben@b1c1l1.com) Received: from supra.b1c1l1.com (c-24-7-82-201.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.7.82.201]) by lancer.b1c1l1.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D4BF45C21; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:36:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4924DB23.10200@b1c1l1.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:36:03 -0800 From: Benjamin Lee User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081008) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fbsd1 References: <4924102E.9040208@a1poweruser.com> <492418A8.9090904@FreeBSD.org> <4924BEB9.7080806@a1poweruser.com> In-Reply-To: <4924BEB9.7080806@a1poweruser.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigA3E0D76A7CD091EA02781FAC" Cc: glarkin@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: best way to add patch to x11/slim-1.3.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:36:34 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigA3E0D76A7CD091EA02781FAC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/19/08 17:34, Fbsd1 wrote: > Greg Larkin wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Fbsd1 wrote: >>> On the developers website there is a patch i want to apply >>> >>> http://developer.berlios.de/patch/?func=3Ddetailpatch&patch_id=3D2283= &group_id=3D2663 >>> >>> >>> >>> [ Patch #2283 ] Add a variable to run shutdown commands without root >>> pass. >>> >>> How can i get "make install" to apply this patch while compiling the >>> port? >>> >> >> Hi Fbsd1, >> >> Since you've already found a unified diff of the change that you want = to >> incorporate into the port, you can submit a PR (problem report) using >> the form here: http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html. >> >> Just follow the instructions on that page, and your patch will be >> submitted to the PR system. The port maintainer reviews your PR, make= s >> the necessary change and possibly updates the port's revision number. >> You then use portupgrade or some other means to install the new versio= n >> of the port with the incorporated patch. >> >> Hope that helps, >> Greg >> - -- >> Greg Larkin >> >=20 > I submitted PR like you suggested, But i am in need of more immediate > results. What changes to the port files do i need to make to get the > port to complie in the patch file? You should read the FreeBSD Porter's Handbook [1]. In particular, you'll probably be interested in section 4.4, "Patching" [2]. [1] http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/index.h= tml [2] http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/slow-pa= tch.html --=20 Benjamin Lee http://www.b1c1l1.com/ --------------enigA3E0D76A7CD091EA02781FAC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJJJNsoAAoJEN/n9makEYThC38QAKBYKdRxyIUHN8PUz36PiCAG RHXg6tToKwyonMYCyvPGls5FnCV4uwVZNrm9ITEdiWrl6s+owT5tSuP9mMnPM2F6 fB2OmOOKep3X6lJOrATqnQHd6ZFG3ItNiPPCqvtV7OPewQ8H31ylOv1WioaDS4FS pDcFWZmz+Dpyg8CrBwOoVx1/cmVGagaggJLbN9Xj3D/1VdLzIF5Z+ck61Bm5WK4F 5kjec+net1Z/ZYgle33jQn2ZNCo4zMxmhuDblp5qvwI+TBeQ8TTA9fzLEfHQhGCl icMVYjK6MO7UR7/6F6iSYe5OGthZsVZQBE6sDN1dKaQsnPFPYDS4vU23o3WmpB9A CyghxwNm3v8Nefx45Krmf3AG94flPUVTut5d02txtoEoUQid7u4ya1g6SftBPBeg cO3oH+ynusihhNlC2ZWdGb0vxHRo+tbVM0CZiMtPX9foXEP60OHFVXDNuepuOpgc wKMJjCQNkg8vZTpH/TIch2QeY+QTHfi1urHo8SzZcm7YUOKpwRMT561vC+eMHUdo mhA95NxFy2LJnGvxS/GA1xeytjedSiptZHeWFaCRkkGtWiq9b3Kg04mnIF/guHrI Hylaq+3qsZPFVUyr0alxlzKDexbSsxsUbY28I7L/N6XkfwkINAQC3N3APPZs7Tgv n1Fx1Rrd71V3t5YXSepz =OUbW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigA3E0D76A7CD091EA02781FAC-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 04:19:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875541065674 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:19:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 366448FC0A for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:19:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.185] (unknown [192.168.0.185]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC5034072 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:20:24 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4923DFCE.2000000@boosten.org> References: <4923A4EA.8070002@boosten.org> <1227075189.4296.4.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4923DFCE.2000000@boosten.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:19:53 +1000 Message-Id: <1227154794.3641.1.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3 (2.12.3-5.fc8) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: mod_auth_ldap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:19:56 -0000 On Wed, 2008-11-19 at 10:43 +0100, Peter Boosten wrote: > Da Rock wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-11-19 at 06:32 +0100, Peter Boosten wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Anyone try to compile this one? > >> It stops with a > >> www/mod_auth_ldap (missing header) > >> > >> The header it cannot find is: > >> mod_auth_ldap.c:61:24: error: apr_compat.h: No such file or directory > >> > >> And it's right: the file indeed is not on my system, and it didn't come > >> with apr-gdbm-db44-1.3.3.1.3.4, nor with apache-2.2.9_5. > >> > >> Does anyone have some clues about the solution? > > > > Try the APR utilities port. > > > > He Da Rock, > > Thanks for your answer. However, which port would that be? Apologies, its actually the apr libraries, and is devel/apr. However, based on the other replies here it doesn't look like its the problem... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 05:41:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70EF2106564A for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:41:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59EEF8FC14 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:41:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hH9H1a00N0cQ2SLAAHh0s3; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:41:00 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hHh01a0022P6wsM8WHh0ow; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:41:00 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=34bf34XqZAcA:10 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=tsVs57-R0AV6HgTsNwwA:9 a=OeNTMO6w0qfg2wGNanYA:7 a=w0H9z9TkORH2N-05w6oYWvmCWN0A:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E20CC33C1C; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:40:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:40:59 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Lei Chen Message-ID: <20081120054059.GA17961@icarus.home.lan> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: motd not compiled properly or ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:41:01 -0000 On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 01:57:54PM +1030, Lei Chen wrote: > I have compiled myself a RELENG_7 stable version of 7 branch. > > I did a fresh install on 7.1_prerelease, and cvsup -g -L 2 > stable-xxx-cvsup-file > make buildworld, everything goes as it should. > > reboot, mergemaster command shows on file "motd" > --7.1_PRERELEASE > ++7??:??:?? > rest of motd is the same > > now, based on the above showed result, I pressed "d" to keep original > version, because I don't want to have a system message shows 7:??:??:?? > > Now my question is, how do I just compile the "motd" in source tree, and > reinstall just that? Maybe recompile it may make it shows proper version > string. > Or if there's a method beside make buildworld again, it takes ages on my > laptop. Simply put: you don't have to do anything. FreeBSD's rc.d system updates the first line of the motd automatically; see /etc/rc.d/motd. I highly recommend placing the following into /etc/mergemaster.rc: # Do not compare template motd to /etc/motd IGNORE_MOTD=yes This will cause mergemaster to skip comparing motd, but WILL NOT affect the use of /etc/rc.d/motd. Hope this helps. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 09:07:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C0A106564A for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:07:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gandalf@shopzeus.com) Received: from viefep18-int.chello.at (viefep18-int.chello.at [213.46.255.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D4CA8FC1B for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:07:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gandalf@shopzeus.com) Received: from edge02.upc.biz ([192.168.13.237]) by viefep14-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20081120090705.WOUI20469.viefep14-int.chello.at@edge02.upc.biz> for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:07:05 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.175] ([89.134.231.52]) by edge02.upc.biz with edge id hM731a04L18VCLh02M74nm; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:07:05 +0100 X-SourceIP: 89.134.231.52 Message-ID: <492528B7.70808@shopzeus.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:07:03 +0100 From: Laszlo Nagy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080925) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Creating a CUPS printer instance from web interface? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:07:07 -0000 I would like to create named instances for an Epson printer. We are printing invoices on normal A4, photos on glossy photo paper, and draft papers (with draft quality). E.g. the paper size, margins and print quality changes from time to time. I have two problems. First, I do not see any way on the CUPS web admin interface to add printer instances. I only have 'set printer options' but it does not allow me to create instances. The other problem is that lpoptions lists the options, but I do not know their meaning and the possible values. Example: gandalf@gandalf-desktop:~$ lpoptions media=A4 finishings=3 copies=1 job-hold-until=no-hold job-priority=50 number-up=1 auth-info-required=none job-sheets=none,none printer-info='EPSON Stylus Photo R265' printer-is-accepting-jobs=1 printer-is-shared=1 printer-location printer-make-and-model='Epson Stylus Photo R265 - CUPS+Gutenprint v5.0.2 Simplified' printer-state=5 printer-state-change-time=1227085737 printer-state-reasons=paused printer-type=8556556 Which option is for printing quality? What are its possible values? It depends on the driver, and therefore it is not covered in the CUPS manual. The drivers themselves does not have a documentation. So where can I get this information? Thanks, Laszlo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 09:08:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC5071065673 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:08:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brentgclarklist@gmail.com) Received: from mail.eccotours.biz (mail.followme2africa.com [196.36.10.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BAA48FC0A for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:08:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brentgclarklist@gmail.com) Received: from [192.168.111.31] by mail.eccotours.biz with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L35BP-0001FM-N5 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:46:39 +0200 Message-ID: <492523EF.7050801@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:46:39 +0200 From: Brent Clark User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081018) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Warning: Can't find ..... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:08:47 -0000 Hi I would like to install man on my machine But using sysintall I get Warning: Can't find the `7.0-RELEASE-p5 ..... Googling says I must check Options via Sysinstall and run sysinstall releaseName=7.0-RELEASE-p5 configPackages MY first question is, what does this do and / or fix. When I built this machine, I used the minimalistic option, and everything else to install, ive being using ports. Then every now and then just run freebsd-update and reboot. My next question is, and for future reference, where did I go wrong, or what did I not do, and how may I fix this? TIA Kind Regards Brent Clark From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 09:32:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 564C5106564A for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:32:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFDF28FC14 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:32:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from seis.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.93]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L35tk-0002Uh-2b for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:32:33 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.238]) by seis.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1L35ti-000114-M1 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:32:27 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost.men.bris.ac.uk [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mAK9WQTQ051356 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:32:26 GMT (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mAK9WPj6051355 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:32:25 GMT (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk: mexas set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:32:25 +0000 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081120093225.GA51329@mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <006b01c949da$2985e9f0$7c91bdd0$@com> <20081119112554.R6005@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <200811191035.mAJAZc21042934@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <11167f520811191058m7e07c347u272dc9db0a15027d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <11167f520811191058m7e07c347u272dc9db0a15027d@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Spam-Score: -1.4 X-Spam-Level: - Subject: Re: Running X without a videocard X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:32:36 -0000 On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 12:58:40PM -0600, Sam Fourman Jr. wrote: > > X windows has client/server built into the protocol: you can run an X > > application on a machine that has no video card and display the result > > on another machine that has video facility and an X display (called an > > X server). > > Does anyone know of a tutorial or a how-to, I would like to try this out. Not sure if it is of help to you. I use XDMCP on the clients' side, and X -query xx.xx.xx.xx on the sever side. YOu need to be in the trusted network. Have a look at this thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-questions@freebsd.org/index.html#194794 and at the xdm(1) man page. -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 12:08:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A692A1065670 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:08:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from betty.computinginnovations.com (mail.computinginnovations.com [64.81.227.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 132EA8FC0C for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:08:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from p28.computinginnovations.com (dhcp-10-20-30-100.computinginnovations.com [10.20.30.100]) (authenticated bits=0) by betty.computinginnovations.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAKC85VW016215; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:08:05 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20081120060200.02635cc0@mail.computinginnovations.com> X-Sender: derek@mail.computinginnovations.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:07:58 -0600 To: "David Horn" From: Derek Ragona In-Reply-To: <25ff90d60811181050w48d78914m5911bc1c04f4552@mail.gmail.com > References: <6.0.0.22.2.20081117193403.025dfa50@mail.computinginnovations.com> <25ff90d60811172223t226714aq6e8202b19a2c8bfb@mail.gmail.com> <6.0.0.22.2.20081118055913.026155c0@mail.computinginnovations.com> <25ff90d60811181050w48d78914m5911bc1c04f4552@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081119-0, 11/19/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94-exp/8653/Thu Nov 20 03:04:07 2008 on betty.computinginnovations.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner-ID: mAKC85VW016215 X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-From: derek@computinginnovations.com X-Spam-Status: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: smbfs 2 GB file size limit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:08:08 -0000 At 12:50 PM 11/18/2008, David Horn wrote: >On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 7:06 AM, Derek Ragona > wrote: > > At 12:23 AM 11/18/2008, David Horn wrote: > > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Derek Ragona > > wrote: > >> I have FreeBSD 7.0 Release and if I mount_smbfs a network NTFS share I > >> have > >> a 2 GB size limit on files. I checked the handbook and list archives but > >> have not found a solution. > > > > I just ran a quick test, and was not able to reproduce this issue with > > the mount_smbfs from FreeBSD 7.0. I tried against a Windows 2003 > > Server SP2, Windows XP SP3, and Samba 3.0 {on FreeBSD 7} with a 3.5GB > > file. > > > > Was your issue with reading from or writing to a SMB share ? > > > > It was writing to a smb share. > > > > > > What is the server software and OS version ? > > (if Microsoft Windows, please include Service Pack number as well, as > > it might make a difference) > > > > Windows 2003 server 32bit. > > > > How much disk space is left on your server volume ? > > > > Over a terabyte free > > > > Are there disk quotas enabled on the server ? > > > > None > > > > What error message are you getting from your FreeBSD client (if any) ? > > > > No error message, it just stopped writing at 1 Gb. I was doing this using > > scp. > >Whoa, hopefully you just made a few typos here, or we are going down >the wrong path of investigation. > >Did you really mean to say scp or cp ? > scp(1) - secure copy (remote file copy program) > cp(1) - copy files > >If you really meant scp, then the problem is not mount_smbfs, but >instead likely a buggy scp client or server (which does not use smb >for transport, but ssh) > >What is the exact byte count that your write stops at ? You >originally stated 2GB, then 1GB. > > > > > Can you check the smb server logs and see if you are getting any error > > messages there ? > > > > Well I'm just mounting the volume to FreeBSD from the Windows server so not > > sure I'll find much in the logs besides the system log, but I will look. > > > > You may want to get a Wireshark trace and see if you can capture the > > SMB error message/error code. > > > > I have heard of people running into similar problems when running > > against older server software (NT 4.0/old samba) when the SMB session > > did not negotiate large file/large write support (a function of the > > SMB server capabilities session negotiation) > > > > I saw posts to that effect and that you needed samba 3.x to support large > > files sizes, and the lfs option. But the mount_smbfs doesn't offer any > > large file option. > > > >Only bother with this next bit if you are morbidly curious as to how >things work rather than just want to solve your problem, as it gets >into the nitty gritty details of smb: > >mount_smbfs will allow for lfs (CAP_LARGE_FILE) automatically by >specifying it's dialect capabilities in the smb negotiation. > >If you umount your smb share, then start a tcpdump you can capture the >smb negotiation "Capabilities" bitmask to see if CAP_LARGE_FILE is >being negotiated - the server specifies this capability. The client >just sends the dialects of smb supported. For example: > >tcpdump -vvv -s 1500 -i em0 host server.example.com | grep Capabilities > >{ where em0 is the network interface in use on FreeBSD and >server.example.com is the hostname/ip address of your smb server } > >Then do a mount of the smb share (while tcpdump is running) and you >should capture the Capabilities negotiated. > >For example: > >Capabilities=0x1F3FD > >If you decode the bitmask by using this reference : >http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa302230.aspx {hint: only >look at the last four bytes of the Capabilities line (e.g. F3FD in my >example)} Or if you have kernel source installed, you can look in >/usr/src/sys/netsmb/smb.h for the details. > > - Capabilities: 0x0001F3FD > RawMode: (...............................1) Supports >SMB_COM_READ_RAW and SMB_COM_WRITE_RAW (CAP_RAW_MODE) > MpxMode: (..............................0.) No >Support for SMB_COM_READ_MPX or SMB_COM_WRITE_MPX (CAP_MPX_MODE) > Unicode: (.............................1..) Supports >Unicode Strings (CAP_UNICODE) > LargeFiles: (............................1...) Supports >large files with 64-bit offsets (CAP_LARGE_FILES) > NTSMBs: (...........................1....) Supports >SMB NTLM 0.12 dialect commands (implies CAP_NT_FIND) (CAP_NT_SMBS) > RPCRemoteAPIs: (..........................1.....) Supports >remote API requests using RPC over named pipe connections >(CAP_RPC_REMOTE_APIS) > NTStatus: (.........................1......) Can >respond with 32-bit NT status codes in Status (CAP_NT_STATUS) > LevelIIOplocks: (........................1.......) Supports >Level II oplocks ( CAP_LEVEL_II_OPLOCKS) > LockAndRead: (.......................1........) Supports >SMB_COM_LOCK_AND_READ and SMB_COM_WRITE_AND_UNLOCK (CAP_LOCK_AND_READ) > NtFind: (......................1.........) Supports >Windows NT information level requests (SMB_QUERY_?, SMB_SET_?) >(CAP_NT_FIND) > Reserved_bits10_11: (....................00..........) Reserved > Dfs: (...................1............) This >server is Distributed File System (Dfs) aware (via >TRANS2_GET_DFS_REFERRAL) (CAP_DFS) > InfolevelPassthru: (..................1.............) Supports >Windows NT information level pass-through requests >[SMB_INFO_PASSTHROUGH] (CAP_INFOLEVEL_PASSTHRU) > LargeReadx: (.................1..............) Supports >large read operations (CAP_LARGE_READX) > LargeWritex: (................1...............) Supports >large write operations (CAP_LARGE_WRITEX) > Lwio: (...............1................) Reserved I tried your suggestions and when I checked the capabilities I got: # tcpdump -vvv -s 1500 -i em0 host filesrv | grep Capabilities tcpdump: listening on em0, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 1500 bytes Capabilities=0x1F3FD So it looks like the share is fine, and this is probably an scp issue. In a separate test I tried using a different scp application NOT under FreeBSD and was able to copy the 32GB file to the this network share. So it looks to me like there is some issue with the scp that is within FreeBSD i386 7. -Derek -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 14:01:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0139106564A for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:01:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBEA68FC12 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:01:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl63-61.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.190.61]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mAKE1XsA017745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:01:40 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mAKE1WU5002422; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:01:33 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mAKE1TRe002421; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:01:29 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr In-Reply-To: <20081118145535.GB30563@obspm.fr> (Albert Shih's message of "Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:55:35 +0100") Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:35:20 +0200 Message-ID: <87y6ze4u5j.fsf@kobe.laptop> References: <20081118145535.GB30563@obspm.fr> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mAKE1XsA017745 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.837, required 5, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.52, BAYES_00 -2.60, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.04) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wifi Card for laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:01:44 -0000 On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:55:35 +0100, Albert Shih wrote: > Hi all > > I would like to buy a PCMCIA card for my new laptop (because FreeBSD > do not recognise my internal wifi AND RJ45 ethernet card....sh** > windows say it's Broadcom netXtreme 57xx gigabit ). Hi Albert, If you can find a PC-CARD (or `PCMCIA') that uses one of the supported chipsets, then just go for it. To see if the internal network interface card or wireless adapter work, you can try running: % pciconf -lv Save this to a text file: % pciconf -lv > pciconf.txt Then you can use a USB flash drive to transfer the text file to a machine that has email connectivity and post it here. We can try to go through the list of devices and check hardware compatibility for you. If you do that, please include as much information as possible about the FreeBSD version you are using, and any other bits you think are useful to understand what hardware you are using (i.e. laptop model, laptop maker, the output of the ``uname -a'' command, and so on). > My local dealer have those card : > > Netgear WPN511 RangeMax > Netgear WG511 | PCMCIA WiFi > D-LINK DWA-610 > Trendnet TEW-421PC > D-LINK DWA-645 RangeBooster N65 ... > Linksys WPC54G > Linksys WPC54GS Speedbooster > Trendnet TEW-441PC A list of the chipsets listed in the FreeBSD manpages is below. See if you can find out which chipsets these cards use, and try to find one that matches at least one FreeBSD driver: an -- Aironet Communications 4500/4800 wireless network adapter driver o Aironet Communications 4500 and 4800 series o Cisco Aironet 340 and 350 series o Xircom Wireless Ethernet Adapter ath -- Atheros IEEE 802.11 wireless network driver The ath driver provides support for wireless network adapters based on the Atheros AR5210, AR5211, and AR5212 programming APIs. ipw -- Intel PRO/Wireless 2100 IEEE 802.11 driver iwi -- Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG/2225BG/2915ABG IEEE 802.11 driver The iwi driver provides support for Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG/2915ABG MiniPCI and 2225BG PCI network adapters. iwn -- Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN IEEE 802.11n driver The iwn driver provides support for Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN PCI-Express network adapters. ral -- Ralink Technology IEEE 802.11 wireless network driver The ral driver supports PCI/CardBus wireless adapters based on the Ralink Technology RT2500, RT2501, and RT2600 chipsets. rum -- Ralink Technology USB IEEE 802.11a/b/g wireless network device The rum driver supports USB 2.0 and PCI Express Mini Card wireless adapters based on the Ralink RT2501USB and RT2601USB chipsets. wi -- Lucent Hermes, and Intersil PRISM IEEE 802.11 driver See the online manpage for a large listing of supported cards. wpi -- Intel 3945ABG Wireless LAN IEEE 802.11 driver See the online manpage for more details about supported cards. zyd -- ZyDAS ZD1211/ZD1211B USB IEEE 802.11b/g wireless network device See the online manpage for a large listing of supported cards. You can find the original manpages online too. Some of the manpages [like ral(4) and rum(4)] have more detailed device listings, that may be interesting to skim through. > Or maybe you can help me to make my internet RJ45 card working ;-) Let's see what ``pciconf -lv'' shows. It may be a supported NIC, but not in the `GENERIC' kernel configuration. Loading a module may bring it up, and then you will at least have *some* sort of networking. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 14:01:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E6811065670 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:01:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 664FA8FC13 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:01:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl63-61.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.190.61]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mAKE1aQE017758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:01:41 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mAKE1Zd6002426; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:01:35 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mAKE1YVx002425; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:01:34 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: "Gary Hartl" In-Reply-To: <006201c949d2$d0e92570$72bb7050$@com> (Gary Hartl's message of "Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:10:13 -0500") Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:42:37 +0200 Message-ID: <87tza24tte.fsf@kobe.laptop> References: <006201c949d2$d0e92570$72bb7050$@com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mAKE1aQE017758 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.837, required 5, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.52, BAYES_00 -2.60, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.04) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Apology X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:01:46 -0000 On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:10:13 -0500, "Gary Hartl" wrote: > Sorry group I just realized I've been sending HTML emails to the > group. Plain text now set. > > Stupid Outlook. It's not a *huge* deal, but _thanks_ for fixing that :D From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 14:01:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 203F61065677 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:01:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C5158FC1A for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:01:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl63-61.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.190.61]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mAKE1dCA017766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:01:45 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mAKE1dsK002438; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:01:39 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mAKE1ctw002437; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:01:38 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Manfred Usselmann Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:11:27 +0200 Message-ID: <877i6y4shc.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mAKE1dCA017766 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-2.832, required 5, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL -0.49, BAYES_00 -2.60, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.04, FAKE_REPLY_C 2.01) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Zbigniew Szalbot , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:01:49 -0000 On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:40:09 +0100, Manfred Usselmann wrote: > Just a small example, how limited Windows really is: Even today it is > not possible to configure the standard interface of Windows XP (Luna) > in any other color than blue, olive green and silver. LOL. Not to mention that 90% of the programs that run on Windows use their own 'theme engine', completely bypassing and making worthless *everything* that may seem 'familiar' about the Windows GUI. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 14:01:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02865106564A for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:01:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42A1F8FC17 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:01:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl63-61.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.190.61]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mAKE1ctA017763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:01:44 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mAKE1c01002430; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:01:38 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mAKE1aba002429; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:01:36 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Fbsd1 In-Reply-To: <4924CC8C.2050408@a1poweruser.com> (fbsd1@a1poweruser.com's message of "Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:33:48 +0800") Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:48:15 +0200 Message-ID: <87prkq4tk0.fsf@kobe.laptop> References: <4924CC8C.2050408@a1poweruser.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mAKE1ctA017763 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.837, required 5, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.52, BAYES_00 -2.60, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.04) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Free usenet nntp servers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:01:52 -0000 On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:33:48 +0800, Fbsd1 wrote: > In the past (alt.binaries.warez) contained monthly posts of a list of > Free usenet nntp servers. I dont have access to a nntp server so I > can't search foe the list. Does any one here know of a Free usenet > nntp server I can access? news.sunsite.dk has been serving me fine for several years now. I heartily recommend it, as it also supports authentication, so you can use it from everywhere around the globe, as long as you keep your `~/.authinfo' file around. It does not carry *all* the groups that some servers may have (IIRC the alt.* hierarchy is not supported), but my current `~/.newsrc' file includes comp.emacs comp.lang.c comp.lang.lisp comp.mail.sendmail comp.std.c comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc comp.unix.programmer comp.unix.solaris gnu.emacs.announce gnu.emacs.help gnu.emacs.gnus and all these groups are supported by this server. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 15:21:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86441106567F for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:21:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dhorn2000@gmail.com) Received: from hs-out-0708.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31DAE8FC1F for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:21:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dhorn2000@gmail.com) Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 54so237771hsz.11 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:21:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:subject :cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:references; bh=B0kV6GA/35AAINb8BYG+sEx+DmC3nxG8rMnUG63+wn0=; b=p5YW63B0eZ8cnZUuFe9Pl730FAikfYBwfCgJaSUcEplYZauHcGAqFwdI8zV/lpmDuU /F/i0sd5lWohtMDqhhURrVqI34BIC2DGjFp12NN7FJCH64tgN+rj5J29Uo6E+9/pexGX bSC7Gs3EY4dPa+yuqLEAe43wIEEA+kPzUhiG4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=GtRl7HyE12OwDZfQuh8IJynLRFydtHP65Fq2l53Rfa866Xc/El9OBnglzj2b1i/vzK bS9DXDd9fo501wCkYUukdtqU3M1KSxi0cCz1GwdAVj6r2/QM1ZABwR/rn1eaPTqGH7jj lhNrDSVkfgq6eKv4wuWbTlMIYXJIqWJAN91u4= Received: by 10.151.100.17 with SMTP id c17mr4399233ybm.64.1227194481236; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:21:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.144.19 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:21:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <25ff90d60811200721i21b477cbv9c7c141b43762e2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:21:21 -0500 From: "David Horn" In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20081120060200.02635cc0@mail.computinginnovations.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6.0.0.22.2.20081117193403.025dfa50@mail.computinginnovations.com> <25ff90d60811172223t226714aq6e8202b19a2c8bfb@mail.gmail.com> <6.0.0.22.2.20081118055913.026155c0@mail.computinginnovations.com> <25ff90d60811181050w48d78914m5911bc1c04f4552@mail.gmail.com> <6.0.0.22.2.20081120060200.02635cc0@mail.computinginnovations.com> Cc: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: smbfs 2 GB file size limit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:21:22 -0000 On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 7:07 AM, Derek Ragona wrote: > At 12:50 PM 11/18/2008, David Horn wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 7:06 AM, Derek Ragona > wrote: >> At 12:23 AM 11/18/2008, David Horn wrote: >> >> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Derek Ragona >> wrote: >>> I have FreeBSD 7.0 Release and if I mount_smbfs a network NTFS share I >>> have >>> a 2 GB size limit on files. I checked the handbook and list archives but >>> have not found a solution. >> >> I just ran a quick test, and was not able to reproduce this issue with >> the mount_smbfs from FreeBSD 7.0. I tried against a Windows 2003 >> Server SP2, Windows XP SP3, and Samba 3.0 {on FreeBSD 7} with a 3.5GB >> file. >> >> Was your issue with reading from or writing to a SMB share ? >> >> It was writing to a smb share. >> >> >> What is the server software and OS version ? >> (if Microsoft Windows, please include Service Pack number as well, as >> it might make a difference) >> >> Windows 2003 server 32bit. >> >> How much disk space is left on your server volume ? >> >> Over a terabyte free >> >> Are there disk quotas enabled on the server ? >> >> None >> >> What error message are you getting from your FreeBSD client (if any) ? >> >> No error message, it just stopped writing at 1 Gb. I was doing this using >> scp. > > Whoa, hopefully you just made a few typos here, or we are going down > the wrong path of investigation. > > Did you really mean to say scp or cp ? > scp(1) - secure copy (remote file copy program) > cp(1) - copy files > > If you really meant scp, then the problem is not mount_smbfs, but > instead likely a buggy scp client or server (which does not use smb > for transport, but ssh) > > What is the exact byte count that your write stops at ? You > originally stated 2GB, then 1GB. > >> >> Can you check the smb server logs and see if you are getting any error >> messages there ? >> >> Well I'm just mounting the volume to FreeBSD from the Windows server so >> not >> sure I'll find much in the logs besides the system log, but I will look. >> >> You may want to get a Wireshark trace and see if you can capture the >> SMB error message/error code. >> >> I have heard of people running into similar problems when running >> against older server software (NT 4.0/old samba) when the SMB session >> did not negotiate large file/large write support (a function of the >> SMB server capabilities session negotiation) >> >> I saw posts to that effect and that you needed samba 3.x to support large >> files sizes, and the lfs option. But the mount_smbfs doesn't offer any >> large file option. >> > > Only bother with this next bit if you are morbidly curious as to how > things work rather than just want to solve your problem, as it gets > into the nitty gritty details of smb: > > mount_smbfs will allow for lfs (CAP_LARGE_FILE) automatically by > specifying it's dialect capabilities in the smb negotiation. > > If you umount your smb share, then start a tcpdump you can capture the > smb negotiation "Capabilities" bitmask to see if CAP_LARGE_FILE is > being negotiated - the server specifies this capability. The client > just sends the dialects of smb supported. For example: > > tcpdump -vvv -s 1500 -i em0 host server.example.com | grep Capabilities > > { where em0 is the network interface in use on FreeBSD and > server.example.com is the hostname/ip address of your smb server } > > Then do a mount of the smb share (while tcpdump is running) and you > should capture the Capabilities negotiated. > > For example: > > Capabilities=0x1F3FD > > If you decode the bitmask by using this reference : > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa302230.aspx {hint: only > look at the last four bytes of the Capabilities line (e.g. F3FD in my > example)} Or if you have kernel source installed, you can look in > /usr/src/sys/netsmb/smb.h for the details. > > - Capabilities: 0x0001F3FD > RawMode: (...............................1) Supports > SMB_COM_READ_RAW and SMB_COM_WRITE_RAW (CAP_RAW_MODE) > MpxMode: (..............................0.) No > Support for SMB_COM_READ_MPX or SMB_COM_WRITE_MPX (CAP_MPX_MODE) > Unicode: (.............................1..) Supports > Unicode Strings (CAP_UNICODE) > LargeFiles: (............................1...) Supports > large files with 64-bit offsets (CAP_LARGE_FILES) > NTSMBs: (...........................1....) Supports > SMB NTLM 0.12 dialect commands (implies CAP_NT_FIND) (CAP_NT_SMBS) > RPCRemoteAPIs: (..........................1.....) Supports > remote API requests using RPC over named pipe connections > (CAP_RPC_REMOTE_APIS) > NTStatus: (.........................1......) Can > respond with 32-bit NT status codes in Status (CAP_NT_STATUS) > LevelIIOplocks: (........................1.......) Supports > Level II oplocks ( CAP_LEVEL_II_OPLOCKS) > LockAndRead: (.......................1........) Supports > SMB_COM_LOCK_AND_READ and SMB_COM_WRITE_AND_UNLOCK (CAP_LOCK_AND_READ) > NtFind: (......................1.........) Supports > Windows NT information level requests (SMB_QUERY_?, SMB_SET_?) > (CAP_NT_FIND) > Reserved_bits10_11: (....................00..........) Reserved > Dfs: (...................1............) This > server is Distributed File System (Dfs) aware (via > TRANS2_GET_DFS_REFERRAL) (CAP_DFS) > InfolevelPassthru: (..................1.............) Supports > Windows NT information level pass-through requests > [SMB_INFO_PASSTHROUGH] (CAP_INFOLEVEL_PASSTHRU) > LargeReadx: (.................1..............) Supports > large read operations (CAP_LARGE_READX) > LargeWritex: (................1...............) Supports > large write operations (CAP_LARGE_WRITEX) > Lwio: (...............1................) Reserved > > I tried your suggestions and when I checked the capabilities I got: > > # tcpdump -vvv -s 1500 -i em0 host filesrv | grep Capabilities > tcpdump: listening on em0, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 1500 > bytes > Capabilities=0x1F3FD > > So it looks like the share is fine, and this is probably an scp issue. > > In a separate test I tried using a different scp application NOT under > FreeBSD and was able to copy the 32GB file to the this network share. This does not really tell us much other than scp can work with large files (which we knew) What ssh version is running on both of these "other" systems ? What OS are both of these other systems ? > > So it looks to me like there is some issue with the scp that is within > FreeBSD i386 7. > As per my previous message, I still suggest running single variable tests to make sure that you know what is causing the failure, but if you just want to jump to a possible solution, you can try updating ssh to the latest in the ports tree (5.0p1). If you have the FreeBSD ports collection installed and updated using portsnap(8) or csup(1) , just do: cd /usr/ports/security/openssh-portable make install Otherwise, install / update your ports collection using portsnap(8) (fetch update or fetch extract) first, then install openssh-portable. Good Luck. ---Dave > -Derek > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 15:56:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A0CC1065674 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:56:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kitchetech@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.152]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB3998FC1F for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:56:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kitchetech@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so364072fgb.35 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:56:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=hxfiYbFuFgUh660o9niZk3SviKS0bhBFinx2Lek7WyQ=; b=vDuXZBT/MNoqak+1GPbmDhxMjCv4h/3eazLcYlJS7MHNUleXFKoihua29yEl8Eu6T9 oOAWvBVomz2WvUrO6zZ0pO13b8mYEY88M/qavTJF7YasMHngpQwKkDlW/1Po0xbYSdf5 3fR4fm3Yol0bs7g5SmkT0sfs9e1cilGHyRIo8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=SjxttmUBQ3JLkyG9Fhk/l15rXVDsf4/RoKF9eMvuqNuzAZyGTg315J3txPLFK3D1eU rCFRNZdddE3EUPeJdgkuhEKTmo6jJiTtcPqgJ5lgHhPLwG8twkmk/j7hFrGDH79ZPKpq F5PnzbNbzbMTTkfWNdVHBOhlDmPvxjkE3GyHc= Received: by 10.181.135.5 with SMTP id m5mr776738bkn.33.1227196562399; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:56:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.205.7 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:56:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <28283d910811200756w5284cf2du2e318624a9f1c3f2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:56:02 -0500 From: "matt donovan" To: "Brent Clark" In-Reply-To: <492523EF.7050801@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <492523EF.7050801@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Warning: Can't find ..... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:56:04 -0000 On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 3:46 AM, Brent Clark wrote: > Hi > > I would like to install man on my machine > > But using sysintall I get Warning: Can't find the `7.0-RELEASE-p5 ..... > > Googling says I must check Options via Sysinstall and run > > sysinstall releaseName=7.0-RELEASE-p5 configPackages > > MY first question is, what does this do and / or fix. > > When I built this machine, I used the minimalistic option, and everything > else to install, ive being using ports. > Then every now and then just run freebsd-update and reboot. > > My next question is, and for future reference, where did I go wrong, or > what did I not do, and how may I fix this? > > TIA > > Kind Regards > Brent Clark > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Well you didn't install man pages since minimal install does not install them. To get the man pages you have to change 7.0-RELEASE-p5 to just 7.0-RELEASE From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 17:21:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F0F4106564A for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:21:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=0U287g=33=mobileemail.vodafonesa.co.za=twelcome@srs.bis.eu.blackberry.com) Received: from smtp02.bis.eu.blackberry.com (smtp02.bis.eu.blackberry.com [216.9.253.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FD198FC08 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:21:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=0U287g=33=mobileemail.vodafonesa.co.za=twelcome@srs.bis.eu.blackberry.com) Received: from bxe064.bisx.produk.on.blackberry (bxe064.bisx.produk.on.blackberry [172.24.225.93]) by srs.bis.eu.blackberry.com (8.13.7 TEAMON/8.13.7) with ESMTP id mAKGmJ5s022345; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:53:10 GMT X-rim-org-msg-ref-id: 1110372547 Message-ID: <1110372547-1227199990-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-585491769-@bxe064.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Priority: Normal References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com><20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl><20081118123147.GA96005@ei.bzerk.org><94136a2c0811180444n51cae14bg70654bc7b93445f8@mail.gmail.com><20081118141648.M84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: <20081118141648.M84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal To: "Wojciech Puchar" , owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "Zbigniew Szalbot" From: twelcome@mobileemail.vodafonesa.co.za Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:53:03 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? 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I have just managed to get myself a 1.5tb Seagate drive and after reading all the input from various users I assume zfs would be the file system of choice for such large volumes? Are there limitations or downsides using UFS on such a large volume? And if I do go with ZFS how do I even do that? Create/Format/Mount? Also are there any tools for recovery off ZFS volumes? Accidental delete/format/corruption...? Thanks in advance! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 20:05:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66D80106564A for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:05:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eagletree@hughes.net) Received: from smtprelay.b.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0052.b.hostedemail.com [64.98.42.52]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16DC28FC16 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:05:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eagletree@hughes.net) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (b-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay04.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D262151777D3; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:05:12 +0000 (UTC) X-SpamScore: 1 X-Spam-Summary: 2, 0, 0, 7d46d80609b794bb, 9510f55e4507d164, eagletree@hughes.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org:dhorn2000@gmail.com, RULES_HIT:355:379:541:564:599:601:945:966:967:973:980:988:989:1260:1261:1277:1311:1313:1314:1345:1359:1437:1515:1516:1518:1534:1542:1593:1594:1711:1730:1747:1766:1792:1801:2194:2196:2199:2200:2393:2525:2553:2559:2563:2682:2685:2857:2859:2894:2895:2899:2933:2937:2939:2942:2945:2947:2951:2954:3022:3027:3355:3636:3865:3866:3867:3868:3869:3870:3871:3872:3873:3874:3876:3877:3934:3936:3938:3941:3944:3947:3950:3953:3956:3959:4043:4250:4385:4470:4605:4860:5007:6114:6119:7652:7679:7862:7875:7901:7903:8501:8568:8957:9010:9025:9036:9388, 0, RBL:none, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk, SPF:, MSBL:none, DNSBL:none Received: from [192.168.0.3] (dpc6744118153.direcpc.com [67.44.118.153]) (Authenticated sender: eagletree@hughes.net) by omf14.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:05:07 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <25ff90d60811200721i21b477cbv9c7c141b43762e2@mail.gmail.com> References: <6.0.0.22.2.20081117193403.025dfa50@mail.computinginnovations.com> <25ff90d60811172223t226714aq6e8202b19a2c8bfb@mail.gmail.com> <6.0.0.22.2.20081118055913.026155c0@mail.computinginnovations.com> <25ff90d60811181050w48d78914m5911bc1c04f4552@mail.gmail.com> <6.0.0.22.2.20081120060200.02635cc0@mail.computinginnovations.com> <25ff90d60811200721i21b477cbv9c7c141b43762e2@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6B5871D4-BBA3-483B-8F5C-707A426E4915@hughes.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Pratt Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:05:01 -0800 To: David Horn X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-session-marker: 6561676C6574726565406875676865732E6E6574 Cc: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: smbfs 2 GB file size limit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:05:15 -0000 On Nov 20, 2008, at 7:21 AM, David Horn wrote: > On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 7:07 AM, Derek Ragona >>> >>> No error message, it just stopped writing at 1 Gb. I was doing >>> this using >>> scp. >> >> Whoa, hopefully you just made a few typos here, or we are going down >> the wrong path of investigation. >> >> Did you really mean to say scp or cp ? >> scp(1) - secure copy (remote file copy >> program) >> cp(1) - copy files >> >> ... > What ssh version is running on both of these "other" systems ? > What OS are both of these other systems ? > >> >> So it looks to me like there is some issue with the scp that is >> within >> FreeBSD i386 7. >> > > As per my previous message, I still suggest running single variable > tests to make sure that you know what is causing the failure, but if > you just want to jump to a possible solution, you can try updating ssh > to the latest in the ports tree (5.0p1). > > If you have the FreeBSD ports collection installed and updated using > portsnap(8) or csup(1) , just do: > > cd /usr/ports/security/openssh-portable > make install > > Otherwise, install / update your ports collection using portsnap(8) > (fetch update or fetch extract) first, then install openssh-portable. > > Good Luck. > > ---Dave > I apologize in advance if this has nothing to do with this. I'd ignored this thread completely since it had "SMB" in the subject. Today I noticed the comments shown above that it was apparently actually related to ssh (scp). The fired a synapse of a recent session failure I was having after updating a server to 7.0 that normally accrues about a gig of changes a day. My backup server was running 5.5 and rsyncing the diffs each day. After the upgrade of the application server, the 5.5 client began to hang it's rsync session every day. I updated the 5.5 server to 7.0 (which OBTW replaced the ssh suite) and the problem disappeared. I didn't see in the thread what the actual ssh client OS or rev was but perhaps the client is downrev and there is an issue there. I did no research to figure out why, having my backup server so far downrevved made it's upgrade my first potshot and it worked. >> -Derek >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 20:10:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F091065673 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:10:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AFD88FC08 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:10:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAKJpaa7016868 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:51:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAKJpKEh016830; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:51:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:51:20 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Marcel Grandemange In-Reply-To: <02c801c94b40$4b6a2f10$e23e8d30$@za.net> Message-ID: <20081120204756.O16829@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <02c801c94b40$4b6a2f10$e23e8d30$@za.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS Recovery Tools X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:10:19 -0000 > all the input from various users I assume zfs would be the file system of > choice for such large volumes? > > Are there limitations or downsides using UFS on such a large volume? no, unless you will create it with default options. use -i big-power-of-two simply to have enough inodes for your files, but not 100 times too much. too much inodes=more wasted space AND VERY SLOW FSCK use -b 32768 or 65536 depending of your file's average size. -b 16384 will work too, but again fsck may be long. of course turn on softupdates. UFS performs excellent on large drives/volumes. not in theory but in practice, i use it every place, on volumes up to 3GB NO PROBLEMS. > Also are there any tools for recovery off ZFS volumes? Accidental > delete/format/corruption...? no. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 20:19:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBBEC106564A for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:19:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perlcat@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 914CF8FC14 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:19:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perlcat@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([67.206.60.127]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081120200052.TGPA22277.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:00:52 -0600 Received: from ext-b14-127.omhq.uprr.com ([67.206.60.127]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081120200052.OUTS28131.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@ext-b14-127.omhq.uprr.com> for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:00:52 -0600 From: Tyson Boellstorff To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:00:50 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811201400.50885.perlcat@alltel.net> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wcPthrfz8KIA:10 a=nvgrYxPkF7kA:10 a=yVjRLEwXwGdoL9ASps1FGg==:17 a=So8qJYTKRx4QAiMnuPQA:9 a=tgKoJet7Cow0hkXbWVsaF7UdrSIA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 Subject: rdesktop disappears into the background, related to upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:19:30 -0000 I have two machines running FreeBSD -- a desktop running 6.2-RELEASE synced and built January 2007 and a laptop running 7.0-STABLE. On the desktop, I can run rdesktop over the vpn attached to 127.0.1.10:33890. Works great. On the laptop, I can start rdesktop, but it disappears into the background immediately after starting -- I can find the process ID and kill it, but I can never get to the remote machine. I've tried manually running it as rdesktop -f -a8 -rsound:off -rclipboard:PRIMARYCLIPBOARD -b -0 -4 127.0.1.10:33890 for some conservative settings, but no luck. Could this be an Xauthority issue, or does anybody have any ideas? I've gone so far as reinstalling 6.2-RELEASE on a test machine with no luck, so whatever changed (it wasn't rdesktop -- get the same failure if I run the desktop rdesktop binary from the laptop, and I am highly unwilling to csup and upgrade my one working system.) I need to stop obsessing over this and get to work... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 20:59:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E088E1065672 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:59:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB7C78FC0A for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:59:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAKKxKLm017270; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:59:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAKKxK0x017267; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:59:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:59:19 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Kurt Buff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081120215914.E17266@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <02c801c94b40$4b6a2f10$e23e8d30$@za.net> <20081120204756.O16829@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Marcel Grandemange Subject: Re: ZFS Recovery Tools X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:59:28 -0000 > On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Wojciech Puchar > wrote: >> UFS performs excellent on large drives/volumes. not in theory but in >> practice, i use it every place, on volumes up to 3GB >> >> NO PROBLEMS. > > Do you mean 3TB instead? > > yes. sorry From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 21:23:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BE1D1065670 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:23:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tfcheng@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.245]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C7828FC16 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:23:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tfcheng@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b6so307662ana.13 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:23:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=LuWPvauLg2uSjsDdMMnXltyZWKfxtX/pRdj1mQQ4YwI=; b=H22bzemSzzbP903z2LcJqAekEUj82xiNnsbSh27OCuH/O0viW/GdtN55lVPVrALmBG P8S3+1ckT8qZIyGIJ+kOUgUeAhf340yfmWYPnzDBVPpd/4mmklcuSobPfqb5kEY5m95K BtAtXygUDBXNu4V6fkxuVrfhk0BfqhYDCqQjw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=ob1ZzA+fmDo03Yv+82nw0o8oxOSjGcdCNDyQForTpmSXXFearHqXtitcO+RgQwOA9w TJLToVRxXVmwAd6CMk74tQAoUpdDDetE0Uc68f15AILhUgD/k9/gNjalUhD5J7iRlYvq 6kUIVLzo/dr/m4OfNlQKiqfKeMO8nkjPCjKOw= Received: by 10.142.177.5 with SMTP id z5mr1339050wfe.40.1227214541387; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:55:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.13.18 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:55:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:55:41 -0500 From: "Tsu-Fan Cheng" To: "Wojciech Puchar" In-Reply-To: <20081120204756.O16829@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <02c801c94b40$4b6a2f10$e23e8d30$@za.net> <20081120204756.O16829@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Marcel Grandemange Subject: Re: ZFS Recovery Tools X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:23:43 -0000 Hi, I was just reading stuff about ZFS, and wonder if it would be beneficial for me to use it. I store a lots of multimedia files in my HD, they usually have the size of > 1GB (e.g. 1.2, 1.7 or even bigger), and my system is running UFS. so can I buy a new HD, say 500GB, and format it ZFS style and use it along with other UFS? and will ZFS performs better than UFS in my situation? Thank you!! TFC On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> all the input from various users I assume zfs would be the file system of >> choice for such large volumes? >> >> Are there limitations or downsides using UFS on such a large volume? > > no, unless you will create it with default options. > > use -i big-power-of-two simply to have enough inodes for your files, but not > 100 times too much. too much inodes=more wasted space AND VERY SLOW FSCK > > use -b 32768 or 65536 depending of your file's average size. > > -b 16384 will work too, but again fsck may be long. > > > of course turn on softupdates. > > UFS performs excellent on large drives/volumes. not in theory but in > practice, i use it every place, on volumes up to 3GB > > NO PROBLEMS. > > >> Also are there any tools for recovery off ZFS volumes? Accidental >> delete/format/corruption...? > > no. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 21:26:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F306F106567A for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:26:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thavinci@thavinci.za.net) Received: from thavinci.za.net (mail.e-soul.co.za [196.211.117.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 197CB8FC12 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:26:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thavinci@thavinci.za.net) Received: from thavinci.za.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thavinci.za.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9A2E9B489; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:26:21 +0200 (SAST) Received: by thavinci.za.net (Postfix, from userid 1002) id AE6A79B492; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:26:21 +0200 (SAST) Received: from thavinciPC (unknown [192.168.12.110]) by thavinci.za.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A9C19B43A; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:26:21 +0200 (SAST) From: "Marcel Grandemange" To: "'Tsu-Fan Cheng'" References: <02c801c94b40$4b6a2f10$e23e8d30$@za.net> <20081120204756.O16829@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:26:19 +0200 Message-ID: <02e401c94b56$a1d12a00$e5737e00$@za.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclLU1GX8o5s7G1RQ6eLIXeDpTcbgAAAsIxQ Content-Language: en-us X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: ZFS Recovery Tools X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:26:32 -0000 >Hi, > I was just reading stuff about ZFS, and wonder if it would be >beneficial for me to use it. I store a lots of multimedia files in my >HD, they usually have the size of > 1GB (e.g. 1.2, 1.7 or even >bigger), and my system is running UFS. > so can I buy a new HD, say 500GB, and format it ZFS style and use it >along with other UFS? and will ZFS performs better than UFS in my >situation? Thank you!! Correct me if im wrong but zfs seems way to experimental and unstable according to what I have found on net so far. FYI - I decided to use UFS in mean while, but for those interested in why I say this... http://wiki.freebsd.org/ZFSKnownProblems I share other NB server roles with my file server and cannot afford lockups etc... Please anyone correct me if im wrong! >TFC On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> all the input from various users I assume zfs would be the file system of >> choice for such large volumes? >> >> Are there limitations or downsides using UFS on such a large volume? > > no, unless you will create it with default options. > > use -i big-power-of-two simply to have enough inodes for your files, but not > 100 times too much. too much inodes=more wasted space AND VERY SLOW FSCK > > use -b 32768 or 65536 depending of your file's average size. > > -b 16384 will work too, but again fsck may be long. > > > of course turn on softupdates. > > UFS performs excellent on large drives/volumes. not in theory but in > practice, i use it every place, on volumes up to 3GB > > NO PROBLEMS. > > >> Also are there any tools for recovery off ZFS volumes? Accidental >> delete/format/corruption...? > > no. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > __________ NOD32 3628 (20081120) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 21:26:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C236D1065673 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:26:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f12.google.com (mail-gx0-f12.google.com [209.85.217.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ACAE8FC17 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:26:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by gxk5 with SMTP id 5so638452gxk.19 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:26:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=N8bW/JLLT5u/MxLETdqTWcZ3lagHtF95etic7Wt4JFg=; b=EMXxH9BoKCcTJxyvJKQuofwVHMJLtRIZOttPeo/7aBgIEcHCn0/4Qbob4YHnO2TEAI FSrqOzSzzYe5J5LCHXZ9v7xN02+DWyyMeIGDyZ0LbwyUfky/8Nf8kC1Y+/9UJNp8jqO0 K/ePn+RZv09Ldr8Op4T2AvyjpIoBKcBm+FXnc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=mlU4FcWN59f18s0gOhUq/B78QlcK5l10/7IwIaXSCFym2RISTQUZKjX4IDbt645Xhd l5iNDI//QRqfGGOuGMyoxnpe9yhPCkUpNJvryqpfi6f/tngWk7iQw3OBh+sjiUrr/4E/ oMSD5Q98KcaelBrzn7rH0WD/eXhFs1SVVet40= Received: by 10.142.222.21 with SMTP id u21mr1338372wfg.33.1227214720818; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:58:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.101.7 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:58:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:58:40 -0800 From: "Kurt Buff" To: "Wojciech Puchar" In-Reply-To: <20081120204756.O16829@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <02c801c94b40$4b6a2f10$e23e8d30$@za.net> <20081120204756.O16829@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Marcel Grandemange Subject: Re: ZFS Recovery Tools X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:26:46 -0000 On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > UFS performs excellent on large drives/volumes. not in theory but in > practice, i use it every place, on volumes up to 3GB > > NO PROBLEMS. Do you mean 3TB instead? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 21:31:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5E791065672 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:31:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AACA48FC0A for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:31:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAKLVX9i017394; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:31:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAKLVWsm017391; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:31:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:31:32 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Tsu-Fan Cheng In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081120222909.K17356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <02c801c94b40$4b6a2f10$e23e8d30$@za.net> <20081120204756.O16829@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Marcel Grandemange Subject: Re: ZFS Recovery Tools X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:31:47 -0000 > Hi, > I was just reading stuff about ZFS, and wonder if it would be > beneficial for me to use it. I store a lots of multimedia files in my > HD, they usually have the size of > 1GB (e.g. 1.2, 1.7 or even > bigger), and my system is running UFS. simply use UFS with big blocks (-b 65536 -f 8192) will be OK. BTW i have such change in param.h on every system i have: --- param.h~ 2008-10-09 20:49:54.000000000 +0200 +++ param.h 2008-10-09 20:49:54.000000000 +0200 @@ -121,7 +121,7 @@ #define DFLTPHYS (64 * 1024) /* default max raw I/O transfer size */ #endif #ifndef MAXPHYS -#define MAXPHYS (128 * 1024) /* max raw I/O transfer size */ +#define MAXPHYS (1024 * 1024) /* max raw I/O transfer size */ #endif #ifndef MAXDUMPPGS #define MAXDUMPPGS (DFLTPHYS/PAGE_SIZE) no idea why it's not the default. > so can I buy a new HD, say 500GB, and format it ZFS style and use it > along with other UFS? and will ZFS performs better than UFS in my there may be slight (if any) speedup with transfer speed, and HUGE (like 10x) increase in CPU load. on slower CPUs transfers will be actually slower. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 21:37:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E2981065670 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:37:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from efrenba@yahoo.es) Received: from web25218.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25218.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.204]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F5118FC16 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:37:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from efrenba@yahoo.es) Received: (qmail 9488 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Nov 2008 21:10:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.es; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=AENMQmQ61b0iWvZt593Wbew1kYDdPyD9ohzLyhUsSX3tc2QPhToQlMKbddF4iDZigMfBGO9XyzxXZZBkukebTEJhtUJcxQNwrXWhWarx2mU/EsEnGtQuxSJ4q3iaadzM5Q3OTftSZi8Sb7lYrvD614dh2KjshCv4ZJKnt1+Ujjo=; X-YMail-OSG: ljNJEjUVM1m7xia8bB6TvOjaRpj1jpj.bj8OsM.uS6ok07bZVwX7UuV_z3IA4vJJE4wT.6PiN6v20UGeYHsTmczSYiFT9XOEVERvVFOhJs4ISlmtcIYq1B2UHD70huKKIA6ny14z21E0dKquIFWF0AvNLlgY8RkEtCY_JqE- Received: from [200.55.168.196] by web25218.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:10:40 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:10:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Efren Bravo To: freeBSD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <725112.9446.qm@web25218.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Milter compile problem [OT] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:37:22 -0000 Hi, I cant compile my filter, the error is: /usr/home/efrenba/C_Plus/mpolice/src/mpolice.cpp:63: undefined reference to= `smfi_setconn' Im working with PC-BSD 1.41 (FreeBSD pcbsd 6.3-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 6.3-PRERE= LEASE #2) and KDevelop. I checked the #include "libmilter/mfapi.h and I think that is ok: pcbsd# ll /usr/include/libmilter/ total 24 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 16588 7 nov 2007 mfapi.h -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 4727 7 nov 2007 mfdef.h Suggestions? Thanks in advance, Efren Bravo.=0A=0A=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 21:29:21 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 663B41065677 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:29:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from niyichrist@yahoo.com) Received: from web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [67.195.8.183]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 35E188FC19 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:29:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from niyichrist@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 10574 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Nov 2008 21:02:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=xTnYNKyJJpd6b/javUGamxKsETwuCq126uNsEZUk8CMUiTIil4y55buSAD7sQMDqf2RT3WdA7ycahsCi5O079SdNvGSor3zolskRrGr7am4ChYXNPf1re6cQ8GcoYhIE8s1TpKsvbhjupvmsegV7Jl2Kz4ZCqzgu3KWEo9zUulk=; X-YMail-OSG: RkxEFAoVM1kxpJf9ZsMbNIddTYzxsit6mtExl2SBw87NtB0WmqLvbQZZx7Nq0ygSZPs4qwpyt1qEfX7SPnT6Ru9s54lgv5bjRga.CrbeEUlH5VsQPA48gdWNIvc8IdPmPDi6k5X5i9oSw5SC8pg7nlZM7LfxKNBEngjEfCdj Received: from [41.219.253.74] by web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:02:40 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:02:40 -0800 (PST) From: Niyi Christ To: questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <349426.9663.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:38:17 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: niyichrist@yahoo.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:29:21 -0000 Hi, =A0 I've being using FreeBSD ever since 6.0 and I am a very good fan. But I got= a new laptop computer, a Sony VAIO VGN-BX760 that has a hidden recovery pa= rtition. I've tried all my best to install FreeBSD 7.0 on it but when ever = I insert the installation CD and it boots from the cdrom, the kernel does n= ot come up. Instead, I got this bunch of digits just scrolling down my scre= en indefinitely. The laptop came with a windows XP OS and I am trying to du= al boot. I want to use the recovery partition for my FreeBSD. =A0 I'll appreciate your help as soon as possible. Thanks in anticipation. =A0 Yours, Niyi NiyiChrist=0A=0A=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 21:32:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A391065670 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:32:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robtorbay@gmail.com) Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50A948FC12 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:32:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robtorbay@gmail.com) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j71so571986rne.12 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:32:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language:x-cr-hashedpuzzle:x-cr-puzzleid; bh=HdGQTnTuoaVQtH001o4OPNoPr9Dj4BB2xihoxvB+N2o=; b=tNYSu9vET1XV43eImMTnFGXkonIt0Ac8vZzky51kQP7qn4KpsRofFDpMKST9H5XBc4 3w/Hp4mRkKIUjMmDlwpZXcicLEBUanVVmDR5HLF8A5KzifH/k788oiuGKPhvKYJOR9G7 maD0vBNk9roS2m4YBM0AGpfLbJRhQ2XbRkAk4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language:x-cr-hashedpuzzle:x-cr-puzzleid; b=WAtgFQzW+TEWxVC65VUfyk2/OWPoNIMm47p5hWKmQPl35JbF/6DTJoDQMCYLwOSfOW OE6PaV4BfFOGrHD/C202mobWDtyyTM9IA7XToiojme1S+4HiYhwCtGHt/PUH/WqdKDpd NmkFHvD+/W45SeeA2s2v8acgwyeUHFx/npIvM= Received: by 10.90.84.17 with SMTP id h17mr1890553agb.86.1227215319196; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:08:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from RobertAnthonPC (n011h157.wst.mun.ca [134.153.11.157]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm1388925agb.22.2008.11.20.13.08.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:08:38 -0800 (PST) From: "Robert Anthony" To: Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:38:23 -0330 Message-ID: <000001c94b54$20cde3f0$6269abd0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclLVB0l+9qpyCk+R5KenFvgW7FPZw== Content-Language: en-ca x-cr-hashedpuzzle: AlUT AsSj Atuw A3S+ BAgg BRQ4 BSIp BvWf Dalf DubZ EN4B EjfR ElO/ H+wY JGEp JbVv; 1; ZgByAGUAZQBiAHMAZAAtAHEAdQBlAHMAdABpAG8AbgBzAEAAZgByAGUAZQBiAHMAZAAuAG8AcgBnAA==; Sosha1_v1; 7; {721896BE-2A46-4AFA-8ED9-15E63F6F991A}; cgBvAGIAdABvAHIAYgBhAHkAQABnAG0AYQBpAGwALgBjAG8AbQA=; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:08:19 GMT; SABlAGwAbABvACAAagB1AHMAdAAgAGwAbwBvAGsAaQBuAGcAIABmAG8AcgAgAGkAbgBmAG8A x-cr-puzzleid: {721896BE-2A46-4AFA-8ED9-15E63F6F991A} X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:49:52 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Hello just looking for info X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:32:47 -0000 Hello dear Sir/ Madam; I have recently started work on a business plan for a small computer manufacturing plant. I have decided that I want to distribute my computers with a non windows OS such as Linux or free BSD or something of this nature. I am contacting you because I am looking for some information on what you offer system builders in the way of distributing your software. I am interested in what ever information you can offer me so please send me anything that may help. Thanks for your time. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 21:56:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B6DE1065670 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:56:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stupendoussteve@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s23.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s23.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B0098FC08 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:56:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stupendoussteve@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.10.143]) by bay0-omc2-s23.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:56:10 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:56:10 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 68.225.143.90 by BAY122-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:56:06 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [68.225.143.90] X-Originating-Email: [stupendoussteve@hotmail.com] X-Sender: stupendoussteve@hotmail.com Message-ID: <4925DCF3.80706@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:56:03 -0600 From: Steven Susbauer User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081106) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: niyichrist@yahoo.com References: <349426.9663.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <349426.9663.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig6C5677E05E9A4AB25841EF2C" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2008 21:56:10.0488 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC61EF80:01C94B5A] Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:56:10 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig6C5677E05E9A4AB25841EF2C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Niyi Christ wrote: > Hi, > =20 > I've being using FreeBSD ever since 6.0 and I am a very good fan. But I= got a new laptop computer, a Sony VAIO VGN-BX760 that has a hidden recov= ery partition. I've tried all my best to install FreeBSD 7.0 on it but wh= en ever I insert the installation CD and it boots from the cdrom, the ker= nel does not come up. Instead, I got this bunch of digits just scrolling = down my screen indefinitely. The laptop came with a windows XP OS and I a= m trying to dual boot. I want to use the recovery partition for my FreeBS= D. > =20 > I'll appreciate your help as soon as possible. Thanks in anticipation. > =20 > Yours, > Niyi >=20 >=20 > NiyiChrist >=20 >=20 > =20 Are you using the network install disc? I've had a similar issue on a few machines. It was fixed by using Disc 1 instead. -Steve --------------enig6C5677E05E9A4AB25841EF2C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkkl3PUACgkQ2i3YYzbDt08k3wCePPslcz7SoR2MulmX0scPWSSb E94AniixmrXSYUmUjUpaTuuEcDF3tPfQ =qcx3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig6C5677E05E9A4AB25841EF2C-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 21:58:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 071E61065675 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:58:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA1C18FC1B for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:58:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id mAKLsMDV038955; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:54:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id mAKLsMnN038954; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:54:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:54:22 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Niyi Christ Message-ID: <20081120215422.GB38911@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <349426.9663.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <349426.9663.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:58:41 -0000 On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 01:02:40PM -0800, Niyi Christ wrote: > Hi, >   > I've being using FreeBSD ever since 6.0 and I am a very good fan. But I got a new laptop computer, a Sony VAIO VGN-BX760 that has a hidden recovery partition. I've tried all my best to install FreeBSD 7.0 on it but when ever I insert the installation CD and it boots from the cdrom, the kernel does not come up. Instead, I got this bunch of digits just scrolling down my screen indefinitely. The laptop came with a windows XP OS and I am trying to dual boot. I want to use the recovery partition for my FreeBSD. >   > I'll appreciate your help as soon as possible. Thanks in anticipation. Hmmm. I was able to clean out two of those once using the fixit CD boot. But, if you can't get it to boot at all, it will be a problem. Did you try to just bot normally, but look at the BIOS on the way up? You may have to set something in the BIOS. I don't know the key combination to hit on a VIO to get in to BIOS, but it should tell somewhere. ////jerry >   > Yours, > Niyi > > NiyiChrist > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 22:02:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB4811065672 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:02:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A29A8FC13 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:02:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id mAKLwcNL038999; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:58:38 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id mAKLwcMk038998; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:58:38 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:58:38 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Robert Anthony Message-ID: <20081120215838.GC38911@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <000001c94b54$20cde3f0$6269abd0$@com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000001c94b54$20cde3f0$6269abd0$@com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hello just looking for info X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:02:56 -0000 On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 05:38:23PM -0330, Robert Anthony wrote: > Hello dear Sir/ Madam; > > I have recently started work on a business plan for a small computer > manufacturing plant. I have decided that I want to distribute my computers > with a non windows OS such as Linux or free BSD or something of this nature. > I am contacting you because I am looking for some information on what you > offer system builders in the way of distributing your software. I am > interested in what ever information you can offer me so please send me > anything that may help. Really, you need to read the information at the FreeBSD web site http://www.freebsd.org/ and follow some of the links to other sites so you can get a better picture of what FreeBSD is all about. It is an Opensource, volunteer created and maintained system based on BSD Unix. It is a very good server system and a moderately servicable desktop system You can download the install CD images, burn your own and distribute them with your systems if you wish. You could sell them with FreeBSD already installed if you like. There are no restrictions. ////jerry > > Thanks for your time. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 22:09:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 501221065672 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:09:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from subbsd@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.157]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D7E48FC0A for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:09:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from subbsd@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so458211fgb.35 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:09:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:reply-to:to:subject:date :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:message-id; bh=mxvA3WBCavoB8yinDGSj+PnRalNE+JmNIiyFwmTfFaQ=; b=xR433CAl5DggkP31Q7styp+UYgRisX8f+LgYJFJAKnjA8MXmLmCqX1Yj3W9m3v8ewh eHRF840FqyXUSk6IYSYwAXyZ6nqa2kDKmPkC56cRYYsjd/qo7iDmLR+osIg81eliUf5A FVfj60Mfy3OchjYhiIf9JaQn0cF6Jkn7sH/Ps= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; b=GSIDfunTixzDAsiEemCb4FAWW3hbcU/EGgd53dXLwphj9pyb9B6+A6cbHjuyzbpvpi e6YFjdi0lVmeoru8bPoGb1ksn3e7RYf/QeW7nxJNMrS169Kgy6V7BQzY1g0HeH3AZeUg z4di9o0fmbRQSHkvDqGkd/Ahfpsy8gSOZNuyY= Received: by 10.181.210.14 with SMTP id m14mr872319bkq.163.1227218989293; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:09:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.invalid ([77.241.34.28]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c28sm1953892fka.18.2008.11.20.14.08.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:09:48 -0800 (PST) From: Ole Vole To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:08:41 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.10.1 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.1.1; i386; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811202208.41220.subbsd@gmail.com> Cc: Subject: Asus eeepc, Freebsd-head, problem with ath/wifi driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: subbsd@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:09:51 -0000 Hello maillist! I trying setup FreeBSD according Wiki notes http://wiki.freebsd.org/AsusEee and get system without ath Wi-Fi devices (Fn+f2/Bios settings for Wifi: Enabled) buildin/install kernel/world from 20081120 snapshot FreeBSD-CURRENT with/or patching from madwifi.org-project ( http://snapshots.madwifi- project.org/madwifi-hal-0.10.5.6/madwifi-hal-0.10.5.6-r3875-20081105.tar.gz ) (old link http://snapshots.madwifi-project.org/special/madwifi-ng- r2756+ar5007.tar.gz is wrong) with extracting hal/ to /usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/ath/ and recompile the kernel Also, trying to test http://people.freebsd.org/~sam/ath_hal-20081028.tgz As result from attemps is string in dmesg: ath_hal: 0.10.5.6 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, AR5416, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413, RF2133, RF2425, RF2417) but ifconfig show only LAN ale0 Ethernet interface. On the list pciconf i see "Ralink Technology, Corp" devices but iy without drivers. What is wrong here? Thanks! Additional info: pciconf -vl output: -- hostb0@pci0:0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x830f1043 chip=0x27ac8086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI vgapci0@pci0:0:2:0: class=0x030000 card=0x830f1043 chip=0x27ae8086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' class = display subclass = VGA vgapci1@pci0:0:2:1: class=0x038000 card=0x830f1043 chip=0x27a68086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = 'Mobile 945GM/GU Express Integrated Graphics Controller' class = display hdac0@pci0:0:27:0: class=0x040300 card=0x831a1043 chip=0x27d88086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio' class = multimedia subclass = HDA pcib1@pci0:0:28:0: class=0x060400 card=0x830f1043 chip=0x27d08086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801G (ICH7 Family) PCIe Root Port' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI pcib2@pci0:0:28:1: class=0x060400 card=0x830f1043 chip=0x27d28086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801G (ICH7 Family) PCIe Root Port' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI pcib3@pci0:0:28:2: class=0x060400 card=0x830f1043 chip=0x27d48086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801G (ICH7 Family) PCIe Root Port' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI pcib4@pci0:0:28:3: class=0x060400 card=0x830f1043 chip=0x27d68086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801G (ICH7 Family) PCIe Root Port' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI uhci0@pci0:0:29:0: class=0x0c0300 card=0x830f1043 chip=0x27c88086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801G (ICH7 Family) USB Universal Host Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB uhci1@pci0:0:29:1: class=0x0c0300 card=0x830f1043 chip=0x27c98086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801G (ICH7 Family) USB Universal Host Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB uhci2@pci0:0:29:2: class=0x0c0300 card=0x830f1043 chip=0x27ca8086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801G (ICH7 Family) USB Universal Host Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB uhci3@pci0:0:29:3: class=0x0c0300 card=0x830f1043 chip=0x27cb8086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801G (ICH7 Family) USB Universal Host Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB ehci0@pci0:0:29:7: class=0x0c0320 card=0x830f1043 chip=0x27cc8086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801G (ICH7 Family) USB 2.0 Enhanced Host Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB pcib5@pci0:0:30:0: class=0x060401 card=0x830f1043 chip=0x24488086 rev=0xe2 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801BAM/CAM/DBM (ICH2-M/3-M/4-M) Hub Interface to PCI Bridge' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI isab0@pci0:0:31:0: class=0x060100 card=0x830f1043 chip=0x27b98086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801GBM (ICH7-M) LPC Interface Controller' class = bridge subclass = PCI-ISA atapci0@pci0:0:31:2: class=0x010180 card=0x830f1043 chip=0x27c48086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801GBM/GHM (ICH7-M Family) Serial ATA Storage Controller' class = mass storage subclass = ATA ichsmb0@pci0:0:31:3: class=0x0c0500 card=0x830f1043 chip=0x27da8086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801G (ICH7 Family) SMBus Controller' class = serial bus subclass = SMBus ale0@pci0:4:0:0: class=0x020000 card=0x83241043 chip=0x10261969 rev=0xb0 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Attansic (Now owned by Atheros)' class = network subclass = ethernet none0@pci0:1:0:0: class=0x028000 card=0x27901814 chip=0x07811814 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Ralink Technology, Corp' class = network --- kernel config: ---- cpu I686_CPU ident eeepc options SCHED_ULE # ULE scheduler options PREEMPTION # Enable kernel thread preemption options INET # InterNETworking options FFS # Berkeley Fast Filesystem options SOFTUPDATES # Enable FFS soft updates support options UFS_DIRHASH # Improve performance on big directories options MD_ROOT # MD is a potential root device options NFSCLIENT # Network Filesystem Client options NFSSERVER # Network Filesystem Server options NFSLOCKD # Network Lock Manager options NFS_ROOT # NFS usable as /, requires NFSCLIENT options MSDOSFS # MSDOS Filesystem options CD9660 # ISO 9660 Filesystem options PROCFS # Process filesystem (requires PSEUDOFS) options PSEUDOFS # Pseudo-filesystem framework options GEOM_PART_GPT # GUID Partition Tables. options GEOM_LABEL # Provides labelization options COMPAT_43TTY # BSD 4.3 TTY compat [KEEP THIS!] options COMPAT_FREEBSD7 # Compatible with FreeBSD7 options STACK # stack(9) support options SYSVSHM # SYSV-style shared memory options SYSVMSG # SYSV-style message queues options SYSVSEM # SYSV-style semaphores options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING # POSIX P1003_1B real-time extensions options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV # install a CDEV entry in /dev options STOP_NMI # Stop CPUS using NMI instead of IPI options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel device apic # I/O APIC device cpufreq device acpi device eisa device pci device ata device atadisk # ATA disk drives options ATA_STATIC_ID # Static device numbering device scbus # SCSI bus (required for SCSI) device ch # SCSI media changers device da # Direct Access (disks) device sa # Sequential Access (tape etc) device cd # CD device pass # Passthrough device (direct SCSI access) device ses # SCSI Environmental Services (and SAF-TE) device atkbdc # AT keyboard controller device atkbd # AT keyboard device psm # PS/2 mouse device kbdmux # keyboard multiplexer device vga # VGA video card driver device sc device agp # support several AGP chipsets device pmtimer device miibus # MII bus support device ale # Atheros AR8121/AR8113/AR8114 Ethernet device wlan # 802.11 support options IEEE80211_DEBUG # enable debug msgs options IEEE80211_AMPDU_AGE # age frames in AMPDU reorder q's device wlan_wep # 802.11 WEP support device wlan_ccmp # 802.11 CCMP support device wlan_tkip # 802.11 TKIP support device wlan_amrr # AMRR transmit rate control algorithm device ral # Ralink Technology RT2500 wireless NICs. device loop # Network loopback device random # Entropy device device ether # Ethernet support device tun # Packet tunnel. device pty # BSD-style compatibility pseudo ttys device md # Memory "disks" device gif # IPv6 and IPv4 tunneling device faith # IPv6-to-IPv4 relaying (translation) device firmware # firmware assist module device bpf # Berkeley packet filter device uhci # UHCI PCI->USB interface device ohci # OHCI PCI->USB interface device ehci # EHCI PCI->USB interface (USB 2.0) device usb # USB Bus (required) device ugen # Generic device uhid # "Human Interface Devices" device ukbd # Keyboard device umass # Disks/Mass storage - Requires scbus and da device ums # Mouse device ucom # Generic com ttys device u3g # USB-based 3G modems (Option, Huawei, Sierra) device uark # Technologies ARK3116 based serial adapters device ubsa # Belkin F5U103 and compatible serial adapters device uftdi # For FTDI usb serial adapters device uipaq # Some WinCE based devices device uplcom # Prolific PL-2303 serial adapters device uslcom # SI Labs CP2101/CP2102 serial adapters device uvisor # Visor and Palm devices device uvscom # USB serial support for DDI pocket's PHS device firewire # FireWire bus code device sbp # SCSI over FireWire (Requires scbus and da) device fwe # Ethernet over FireWire (non-standard!) device fwip # IP over FireWire (RFC 2734,3146) device dcons # Dumb console driver device dcons_crom # Configuration ROM for dcons device sound device snd_hda options LIBICONV options LIBMCHAIN options CD9660_ICONV options MSDOSFS_ICONV options NTFS options NTFS_ICONV options UDF options UDF_ICONV options GEOM_UZIP # read only compressed disks options TMPFS device acpi_asus device acpi_video device ralfw device wlan device wlan_amrr device ath # Atheros pci/cardbus NIC's device ath_hal # Atheros HAL (Hardware Access Layer) device ath_rate_sample # SampleRate tx rate control for ath device ichsmb ---- kernel & hw: %sysctl -a |egrep -E "^kern.os[a-z]++" -- kern.ostype: FreeBSD kern.osrelease: 8.0-CURRENT kern.osrevision: 199506 kern.osreldate: 800053 -- %sysctl -a |egrep -E "^hw" |head -n5 hw.machine: i386 hw.model: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz hw.ncpu: 2 hw.byteorder: 1234 hw.physmem: 1056018432 /boot/loader.conf: -- if_ath_load="YES" /* also try with static compile-in-kernel */ hw.psm.synaptics_support=1 kern.hz=100 hw.pci.do_power_nodriver=1 vfs.root.mountfrom="ufs:ad2s1a" -- /etc/src.conf with following "make buildworld; make kernel; make installworld" and after reboot: "cd /usr/src; yes |make delete-old ; yes | make-delete-old- libs" -- WITHOUT_ACCT=yes WITHOUT_AMD=yes WITHOUT_APM=yes WITHOUT_ASSERT_DEBUG=yes WITHOUT_AT=yes WITHOUT_ATM=yes WITHOUT_AUDIT=yes WITHOUT_AUTHPF=yes WITHOUT_BIND_DNSSEC=yes WITHOUT_BSNMP=yes WITHOUT_CDDL=yes WITHOUT_ZFS=yes WITHOUT_CTM=yes WITHOUT_EXAMPLES=yes WITHOUT_FLOPPY=yes WITHOUT_FREEBSD_UPDATE=yes WITHOUT_GAMES=yes WITHOUT_HTML=yes WITHOUT_INET6=yes WITHOUT_INET6_SUPPORT=yes WITHOUT_INFO=yes WITHOUT_IPFILTER=yes WITHOUT_IPFW=yes WITHOUT_IPX=yes WITHOUT_IPX_SUPPORT=yes WITHOUT_NCP=yes WITHOUT_JAIL=yes WITHOUT_LEGACY_CONSOLE=yes WITHOUT_LPR=yes WITHOUT_MAIL=yes WITHOUT_MAILWRAPPER=yes WITHOUT_SENDMAIL=yes WITHOUT_NCP=yes WITHOUT_NIS=yes WITHOUT_NLS=yes WITHOUT_NLS_CATALOGS=yes WITHOUT_NTP=yes WITHOUT_PF=yes WITHOUT_AUTHPF=yes WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes WITHOUT_QUOTAS=yes WITHOUT_RCMDS=yes WITHOUT_ROUTED=yes WITHOUT_SHAREDOCS=yes WITHOUT_SLIP=yes WITHOUT_SSP=yes WITHOUT_ZFS=yes -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 22:16:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B719A106564A for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:16:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan-freebsd-questions@ourbrains.org) Received: from ourbrains.org (li48-221.members.linode.com [66.246.76.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4D44A8FC16 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:16:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan-freebsd-questions@ourbrains.org) Received: (qmail 9978 invoked by uid 1000); 20 Nov 2008 22:17:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:17:01 -0500 From: Dan To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081120221701.GA9953@ourbrains.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <200811202208.41220.subbsd@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200811202208.41220.subbsd@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Subject: Re: Asus eeepc, Freebsd-head, problem with ath/wifi driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:16:40 -0000 Ole Vole(subbsd@gmail.com)@2008.11.20 22:08:41 +0300: > Hello maillist! > > Also, trying to test http://people.freebsd.org/~sam/ath_hal-20081028.tgz > > > but ifconfig show only LAN ale0 Ethernet interface. > > On the list pciconf i see "Ralink Technology, Corp" devices but iy without > drivers. You have a different, more expensive model. Atheros is in HA (the one I have), you have the 802n ralink chipset. I got my atheros working by pulling current ath driver from the svn. Do the same for ralink. svn checkout svn://svn.freebsd.org/base/head/sys/dev/ral put the directory in /usr/src/sys/dev/ral (replace the original). And rebuild your curnel. I have issues with sound - it does not support software jack detection, so using headphones means the speakers are still on :(. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 22:41:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778071065672 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:41:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thompsa@FreeBSD.org) Received: from pele.citylink.co.nz (pele.citylink.co.nz [202.8.44.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39FEC8FC17 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:41:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thompsa@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pele.citylink.co.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317F62BC3C; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:14:17 +1300 (NZDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at citylink.co.nz Received: from pele.citylink.co.nz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pele.citylink.co.nz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KGg3MD4a5ekb; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:14:12 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from citylink.fud.org.nz (unknown [202.8.44.45]) by pele.citylink.co.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:14:12 +1300 (NZDT) Received: by citylink.fud.org.nz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 142AC11445; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:14:12 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:14:11 -0800 From: Andrew Thompson To: Ole Vole Message-ID: <20081120221411.GA70932@citylink.fud.org.nz> References: <200811202208.41220.subbsd@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200811202208.41220.subbsd@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Asus eeepc, Freebsd-head, problem with ath/wifi driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:41:47 -0000 On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 10:08:41PM +0300, Ole Vole wrote: > Hello maillist! > > I trying setup FreeBSD according Wiki notes http://wiki.freebsd.org/AsusEee > and get system without ath Wi-Fi devices (Fn+f2/Bios settings for Wifi: > Enabled) > > buildin/install kernel/world from 20081120 snapshot FreeBSD-CURRENT with/or > patching from madwifi.org-project ( http://snapshots.madwifi- > project.org/madwifi-hal-0.10.5.6/madwifi-hal-0.10.5.6-r3875-20081105.tar.gz ) > (old link http://snapshots.madwifi-project.org/special/madwifi-ng- > r2756+ar5007.tar.gz is wrong) with extracting hal/ to > /usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/ath/ and recompile the kernel > > > Also, trying to test http://people.freebsd.org/~sam/ath_hal-20081028.tgz > > As result from attemps is string in dmesg: > ath_hal: 0.10.5.6 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, AR5416, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, > RF5413, RF2133, RF2425, RF2417) > > but ifconfig show only LAN ale0 Ethernet interface. > > On the list pciconf i see "Ralink Technology, Corp" devices but iy without > drivers. > > What is wrong here? Thanks! Thats not an Atheros card and the Ralink chipset isnt supported yet. I have used ndis with this model and it works fine. Andrew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 22:50:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11D4B1065675; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:50:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marcus@riboflavin.net) Received: from dsl.76.226.networkiowa.com (dsl.76.226.networkiowa.com [209.234.76.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F1A8FC17; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:50:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marcus@riboflavin.net) Received: by dsl.76.226.networkiowa.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA54095892; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:33:41 -0600 (CST) X-Spam-Score: 11.2 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5(2008-06-10) on dsl.76.226.networkiowa.com X-Spam-Level: xxxxxxxxxxx X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=11.2 required=8.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_99, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Report: * -1.8 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP * 12 BAYES_99 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 99 to 100% * [score: 1.0000] * 1.4 MIME_QP_LONG_LINE RAW: Quoted-printable line longer than 76 chars * -0.4 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list Received: from localhost (localhost.networkiowa.com [127.0.0.1]) by dsl.76.226.networkiowa.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9138095859; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:33:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from dsl.76.226.networkiowa.com (dsl.76.226.networkiowa.com [209.234.76.226]) by www.riboflavin.net (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:33:30 -0600 Message-ID: <20081120163330.amssmoq1c8ksskg0@www.riboflavin.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:33:30 -0600 From: "Marcus I. Ryan" To: freebsd-questions , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.2-cvs) Cc: Subject: Jails and common ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:50:26 -0000 Cross-posting this to freebsd-ports because it's mostly about the =20 ports infrastructure and how I might (ab)use it... I'm looking into setting up jails, and was hoping I was onto something =20 with using ports to maintain application software but I hit a snag and =20 I'm hoping someone can either tell me how to do what I want or at =20 least say "nope...you're on crack thinking that will work" ;) I'm trying to set up a number of jails on my system following the =20 handbook suggestions for "Application of Jails" =20 (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/jails-application= .html). That means I have a master read-only instance for the base system (= world), and read-write instances of key directories for each jail. This is = ideal for what I'd like to do because I only have to do one world upgrade to= upgrade all my =20 jails. I'd like to extend that idea to a number of common ports. For =20 instance, I'd like to have gettext, libtool, etc., installed once and =20 be able to do a single portupgrade to update it for all jails. My initial plan was to make an /opt folder in the master filesystem =20 and use the master jail to install ports (PREFIX=3D/opt and =20 LOCALBASE=3D/opt). I added the /opt/bin and /opt/sbin to the path and =20 /opt/lib to the ld_config directories for the child jails and they =20 were indeed able to see the first couple of ports I installed. However, I started hitting issues with libtool and friends. The =20 children would not find them, and would go ahead and start installing =20 their own local copies of those ports. Turns out quite a few tools =20 are defined in /usr/ports/Mk/* and are defined relative to LOCALBASE. =20 If I leave LOCALBASE and PREFIX alone in the child jails so they'll =20 use /usr/local for their specific ports, I can't recognize and use =20 other ports like libtool installed in /opt; it doesn't seem right to =20 set LOCALBASE in the child jails since I want them to use /usr/local =20 for anything I haven't provided. I really would like to avoid the "joy" of making hard-links, etc., for =20 all the files in the common packages, but I didn't see any way to =20 override settings for these individual ports. I did edit some =20 Makefiles and add '--prefix=3D/opt' to the CONFIGURE_ARGS for those =20 ports, and everything worked fine, but I'd prefer to do it "the right =20 way" (e.g. not editing Makefiles). Is there a variable I'm not seeing that would allow me to do this kind =20 of crazy thing, or am I better off either setting up hard links and/or =20 using automated package building and just repeating pkg_upgrades in =20 each jail? If it's the latter, does someone know of a decent all-in-one doc to =20 help me at least set up some features so I update ports once in a =20 master and just get packages from the same place (I can piece it =20 together myself from all the other docs I've found and been reading, =20 but if someone has already written it up, hate to reinvent it myself =20 :) ). Thanks in advance. --=20 Marcus I. Ryan, marcus@riboflavin.net ------------------------------------------ People often find it easier to be a result of the past than a cause of the future. ------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 22:56:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42213106564A for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:56:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlandys@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B48068FC0A for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:56:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlandys@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i2so630027mue.3 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:56:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=oPfYXTL44siYwPezQFTyQ1RWNoRyV1hYpStVCasxpQM=; b=uIbiycqVg13+4Mf86M2FPC5CdKruMH9hvzvlxpmWff0E3bZQSXRhZbptBu/5066CFO dAZ1Ox0y51hhEIGyiYSxZwSLu9ZdtX/KhYW9Ll8wO/zmHJpih5MGclRzm9EbqfDFxK5E JX4aaL8Lt1UzVDexrBfrz6LDOqu1DkBubLfzE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=tcHl2hvkhm0anXE1Fd/SK81vA15FjX+lJLfEWXBTwYv0mbl1ut0JBfT2smUOyM1563 hdI29uT9wK2xtgF2bbbpbFAdCOmKuJd1v7opF3Y9Kcb4gzRXpDbKOqpDd3TXKeAvMhuZ vmsYwj4g+25uF7c6gPcuGq9LM5zzlSACpdMhE= Received: by 10.181.143.12 with SMTP id v12mr891528bkn.13.1227220519402; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:35:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.240.16 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:35:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <560f92640811201435m48c4ff2apc98c8c091a9b34ec@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:35:19 -0800 From: "Nerius Landys" To: niyichrist@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: <349426.9663.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <349426.9663.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:56:38 -0000 > > I've being using FreeBSD ever since 6.0 and I am a very good fan. But I got > a new laptop computer, a Sony VAIO VGN-BX760 that has a hidden recovery > partition. I've tried all my best to install FreeBSD 7.0 on it but when ever > I insert the installation CD and it boots from the cdrom, the kernel does > not come up. Instead, I got this bunch of digits just scrolling down my > screen indefinitely. The laptop came with a windows XP OS and I am trying to > dual boot. I want to use the recovery partition for my FreeBSD. > > I am acquainted with the scrolling digits problem. I installed FreeBSD 7.0 onto a server machine which did not have a built-in CDROM drive. Instead, I hooked up a USB CDROM drive and tried to boot from it. This is when I got the scrolling digits problem. After asking about this problem on the forums, if I remember correctly, the answer seemed to be that booting from USB CDROM drive is not supported. My fix was to temporarily hook up an IDE CDROM drive and boot from that. I'm not sure what the situation with your laptop is. By the way, if you are installing a dual boot, wouldn't it make sense to shrink the Windows partition first to make more room on the hard drive, then add a new partition? There are tools that can shrink a Windows partition easily. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 23:00:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521491065675 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:00:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4FAA8FC12 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:00:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id mAKMtgIf039244; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:55:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id mAKMtgXW039243; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:55:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:55:42 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Nerius Landys Message-ID: <20081120225542.GA39190@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <349426.9663.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <560f92640811201435m48c4ff2apc98c8c091a9b34ec@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <560f92640811201435m48c4ff2apc98c8c091a9b34ec@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: questions@freebsd.org, niyichrist@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:00:01 -0000 On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 02:35:19PM -0800, Nerius Landys wrote: > > > > I've being using FreeBSD ever since 6.0 and I am a very good fan. But I got > > a new laptop computer, a Sony VAIO VGN-BX760 that has a hidden recovery > > partition. I've tried all my best to install FreeBSD 7.0 on it but when ever > > I insert the installation CD and it boots from the cdrom, the kernel does > > not come up. Instead, I got this bunch of digits just scrolling down my > > screen indefinitely. The laptop came with a windows XP OS and I am trying to > > dual boot. I want to use the recovery partition for my FreeBSD. > > > > > > I am acquainted with the scrolling digits problem. I installed FreeBSD 7.0 > onto a server machine which did not have a built-in CDROM drive. Instead, I > hooked up a USB CDROM drive and tried to boot from it. This is when I got > the scrolling digits problem. After asking about this problem on the > forums, if I remember correctly, the answer seemed to be that booting from > USB CDROM drive is not supported. My fix was to temporarily hook up an IDE > CDROM drive and boot from that. I'm not sure what the situation with your > laptop is. > > By the way, if you are installing a dual boot, wouldn't it make sense to > shrink the Windows partition first to make more room on the hard drive, then > add a new partition? There are tools that can shrink a Windows partition > easily. I wondered about that too. But, I figured that if the OP couldn't even get something to boot, he had to get past that first. Partition Magic (version 7.0 only, - version 8.0 is junk) will do fine except for USB devices/disk. But, I would suggest downloading and burning the gparted CD image and using that to shring the MS slice. ////jerry > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 23:03:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A791065675 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:03:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from itavy@itavy.com) Received: from gateway06.websitewelcome.com (gateway06.websitewelcome.com [67.18.59.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B256C8FC1B for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:03:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from itavy@itavy.com) Received: (qmail 5191 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2008 22:51:40 -0000 Received: from gator482.hostgator.com (67.18.18.122) by gateway06.websitewelcome.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2008 22:51:40 -0000 Received: from [78.97.148.67] (port=1564 helo=[10.22.22.22]) by gator482.hostgator.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L3I7l-0002qV-1D; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:35:45 -0600 Message-ID: <4925E63C.9070008@itavy.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:35:40 +0200 From: Octavian Ionescu User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Thompson References: <200811202208.41220.subbsd@gmail.com> <20081120221411.GA70932@citylink.fud.org.nz> In-Reply-To: <20081120221411.GA70932@citylink.fud.org.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator482.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - itavy.com Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Ole Vole Subject: Re: Asus eeepc, Freebsd-head, problem with ath/wifi driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:03:51 -0000 hi, i have had the same problem and asked a while ago (about 1 week ago) about the driver for wireless card for asus eee 1000h and the answer i had received from mr Sam Leffer was: 0x781 is an RT2790; not supported by any driver in the tree. this is first time i am hearing about another driver wich is working with this card and i shall give it a try to see what happens. Best regards, Octavian Andrew Thompson wrote: > On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 10:08:41PM +0300, Ole Vole wrote: > >> Hello maillist! >> >> I trying setup FreeBSD according Wiki notes http://wiki.freebsd.org/AsusEee >> and get system without ath Wi-Fi devices (Fn+f2/Bios settings for Wifi: >> Enabled) >> >> buildin/install kernel/world from 20081120 snapshot FreeBSD-CURRENT with/or >> patching from madwifi.org-project ( http://snapshots.madwifi- >> project.org/madwifi-hal-0.10.5.6/madwifi-hal-0.10.5.6-r3875-20081105.tar.gz ) >> (old link http://snapshots.madwifi-project.org/special/madwifi-ng- >> r2756+ar5007.tar.gz is wrong) with extracting hal/ to >> /usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/ath/ and recompile the kernel >> >> >> Also, trying to test http://people.freebsd.org/~sam/ath_hal-20081028.tgz >> >> As result from attemps is string in dmesg: >> ath_hal: 0.10.5.6 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, AR5416, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, >> RF5413, RF2133, RF2425, RF2417) >> >> but ifconfig show only LAN ale0 Ethernet interface. >> >> On the list pciconf i see "Ralink Technology, Corp" devices but iy without >> drivers. >> >> What is wrong here? Thanks! >> > > Thats not an Atheros card and the Ralink chipset isnt supported yet. I > have used ndis with this model and it works fine. > > > Andrew > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 23:25:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FREEBSD-QUESTIONS@FREEBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AE10106564A for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:25:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cursos@inforedwbcc.net) Received: from quebec.vianetworks.es (smtp.vianetworks.es [213.236.6.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CFE08FC0C for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:25:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cursos@inforedwbcc.net) Received: from srvmail.com (static-157-109-235-87.ipcom.comunitel.net [87.235.109.157] (may be forged)) (authenticated) by quebec.vianetworks.es (8.11.6p2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id mAKM7vh19901 for ; 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charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: install gamin in stead of fam X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: dino_vliet@yahoo.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:28:23 -0000 Dear Freebsd list, How would you solve the following task at hand? I would like to install gamin on my amd64 system running freebsd 6.3 in stead of fam, I've been using the latter since installing openoffice (on the net I found a guide saying I should put WITH_FAM_SYSTEM=fam in my /etc/make.conf) Which packages require fam is found by issuing the following command: pkg_info -R fam* gives: Information for fam-2.6.10_3: Required by: ImageMagick-6.4.5.5 ORBit2-2.14.14 Terminal-0.2.8.3 Thunar-0.9.3 at-spi-1.22.1_2 atk-1.22.0_1 avahi-0.6.23 avahi-app-0.6.23 bluefish-1.0.7_5 claws-mail-3.5.0_1 consolekit-0.2.10_3 dbus-glib-0.76 desktop-file-utils-0.15_1 dia-gnome-0.96.1_6,1 enchant-1.4.0_1 evolution-2.22.3.1 evolution-data-server-2.22.3_1 evolution-exchange-2.22.3 evolution-webcal-2.21.92_2 firefox-2.0.0.18,1 g-wrap-1.9.6_4,1 gail-1.22.3 gconf2-2.22.0_1 gdl-0.7.11_2 gdm-2.20.8 gdvrecv-1.2_4 gio-fam-backend-2.16.5 gnome-icon-theme-2.22.0_1 gnome-keyring-2.22.3_1 gnome-mount-0.8_2 gnome-spell-1.0.8_2 gnome-vfs-2.22.0_2 graphviz-2.20.3 gstreamer-0.10.21 gstreamer-plugins-0.10.21,3 gtk-2.12.11_1 gtk-engines2-2.14.3 gtk-xfce-engine-2.4.3 gtkhtml3-3.18.3 gtksourceview2-2.2.2 gtkspell-2.0.14 gvfs-0.2.5 hal-0.5.11_1 html2ps-letter-1.0.b5_1,1 inkscape-0.46_3 jdk-1.5.0.14p8_4,1 kdelibs-3.5.10 kmymoney2-0.8.9_2 libIDL-0.8.11 libbonobo-2.22.0_1 libbonoboui-2.22.0_2 libcroco-0.6.1_1 libexo-0.3.4_2 libgda3-3.0.4_1 libgksu-1.3.8_3 libgksuui-1.0.7_3 libglade2-2.6.3 libgnome-2.22.0_1 libgnomecanvas-2.20.1.1_2 libgnomecups-0.2.3_1,1 libgnomeprint-2.18.4_2 libgnomeprintui-2.18.2_2 libgnomeui-2.22.1_2 libgsf-1.14.8_2 libgtkhtml-2.11.1_2 libnotify-0.4.4_2 liboobs-2.22.0_1 librsvg2-2.22.3 libsexy-0.1.11_1 libsoup-2.2.105_3 libsoup-2.4.1_1 libwnck-2.22.3 libwpd-0.8.14_1 libxfce4gui-4.4.3 libxfce4mcs-4.4.3 libxfce4util-4.4.3 libxklavier-3.5_2,1 linc-1.0.3_7 mousepad-0.2.14 notification-daemon-0.3.7_3 nvu-1.0_7 openoffice.org-3.0.0 orage-4.4.3 pango-1.20.5 pgadmin3-1.8.4 policykit-0.9_1 policykit-gnome-0.9 poppler-gtk-0.8.7 py25-dbus-0.83.0_1 py25-gobject-2.14.2_2 py25-gstreamer-0.10.12 py25-gtk-2.12.1_1 py25-orbit-2.14.3_1 py25-zenmap-4.76 shared-mime-info-0.51 swt-3.1.1_3 system-tools-backends-2.6.0_1 vte-0.16.14_1 wv2-0.2.3_2 wxgtk2-2.4.2_16 wxgtk2-2.6.3_5 wxgtk2-2.8.9 wxgtk2-common-2.6.3_4 wxgtk2-common-2.8.9 wxgtk2-contrib-common-2.6.3_3 wxgtk2-contrib-common-2.8.9 wxgtk2-unicode-2.6.3_5 wxgtk2-unicode-2.8.9 wxgtk2-unicode-contrib-2.6.3_3 wxgtk2-unicode-contrib-2.8.9 wxsvg-1.0.b7.2_2 xf86-input-acecad-1.2.1_1 xf86-input-calcomp-1.1.1_1 xf86-input-citron-2.2.1_1 xf86-input-digitaledge-1.1.0_1 xf86-input-dmc-1.1.1_1 xf86-input-dynapro-1.1.1_1 xf86-input-elo2300-1.1.1_1 xf86-input-elographics-1.1.0_1 xf86-input-fpit-1.1.0_1 xf86-input-hyperpen-1.1.0_1 xf86-input-jamstudio-1.1.0_1 xf86-input-joystick-1.2.3_1 xf86-input-keyboard-1.2.2_2 xf86-input-magellan-1.1.1_1 xf86-input-magictouch-1.0.0.5_2 xf86-input-microtouch-1.1.1_1 xf86-input-mouse-1.2.3_2 xf86-input-mutouch-1.1.0_1 xf86-input-palmax-1.1.0_1 xf86-input-penmount-1.2.1_1 xf86-input-spaceorb-1.1.1_1 xf86-input-summa-1.1.0_1 xf86-input-tek4957-1.1.0_1 xf86-input-void-1.1.1_1 xf86-video-apm-1.1.1_2 xf86-video-ark-0.6.0_2 xf86-video-ati-6.9.0 xf86-video-chips-1.1.1_2 xf86-video-cirrus-1.1.0_2 xf86-video-cyrix-1.1.0_2 xf86-video-dummy-0.2.0_2 xf86-video-fbdev-0.3.1_2 xf86-video-glint-1.1.1_4 xf86-video-i128-1.2.1_2 xf86-video-i740-1.1.0_2 xf86-video-i810-1.7.4 xf86-video-imstt-1.1.0_2 xf86-video-mach64-6.8.0 xf86-video-mga-1.4.9,1 xf86-video-neomagic-1.1.1_2 xf86-video-newport-0.2.1_2 xf86-video-nsc-2.8.3_1 xf86-video-nv-2.1.12 xf86-video-r128-6.8.0 xf86-video-rendition-4.1.3_2 xf86-video-s3-0.5.0_2 xf86-video-s3virge-1.9.1_2 xf86-video-savage-2.1.3_1 xf86-video-siliconmotion-1.5.1_1 xf86-video-sis-0.10.0 xf86-video-tdfx-1.3.0_3 xf86-video-tga-1.1.0_2 xf86-video-trident-1.2.3_2 xf86-video-tseng-1.1.1_2 xf86-video-vesa-1.3.0_2 xf86-video-vga-4.1.0_2 xf86-video-via-0.2.2_3 xf86-video-vmware-10.15.2_1 xf86-video-voodoo-1.1.1_2 xfce-4.4.3 xfce4-appfinder-4.4.3 xfce4-desktop-4.4.3 xfce4-mcs-manager-4.4.3 xfce4-mcs-plugins-4.4.3 xfce4-mixer-4.4.3 xfce4-panel-4.4.3 xfce4-print-4.4.3 xfce4-session-4.4.3 xfce4-utils-4.4.3 xfce4-wm-4.4.3 xorg-7.3_2 xorg-drivers-7.3_3 xorg-server-1.4.2,1 zenity-2.22.1_1 The approaches I can think of are: 1) get rid of fam and everything that requires it with pkg_deinstall -R fam* , then adjust /etc/make.conf to have WITH_FAM_SYSTEM=gamin and reinstall all above packages one by one 2) write a shell script to automate all those steps above So my question boils down to this, am I on the good track? Are there other alternatives (or caveats) Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 00:43:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A1B21065670 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:43:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from blade2-ext.obspm.fr (blade2-ext.obspm.fr [145.238.186.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62F018FC08 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:43:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from obspm.fr (pcjas.obspm.fr [145.238.184.233]) by blade2-ext.obspm.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/SIO Observatoire de Paris - 15/11/07) with ESMTP id mAL0hTiD016598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:43:30 +0100 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:43:29 +0100 From: Albert Shih To: Giorgos Keramidas Message-ID: <20081121004329.GC5215@obspm.fr> References: <20081118145535.GB30563@obspm.fr> <87y6ze4u5j.fsf@kobe.laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <87y6ze4u5j.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (blade2-ext.obspm.fr [145.238.186.20]); Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:43:30 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.1/8656/Thu Nov 20 23:12:54 2008 on blade2-ext.obspm.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wifi Card for laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:43:34 -0000 Le 20/11/2008 à 11:35:20+0200, Giorgos Keramidas a écrit Hi, First thanks you for you help In fact I make the wifi run by using wpi driver. > If you can find a PC-CARD (or `PCMCIA') that uses one of the supported > chipsets, then just go for it. > > To see if the internal network interface card or wireless adapter work, > you can try running: > > % pciconf -lv > > Save this to a text file: > > % pciconf -lv > pciconf.txt > > Then you can use a USB flash drive to transfer the text file to a > machine that has email connectivity and post it here. We can try to go > through the list of devices and check hardware compatibility for you. > > If you do that, please include as much information as possible about the > FreeBSD version you are using, and any other bits you think are useful > to understand what hardware you are using (i.e. laptop model, laptop > maker, the output of the ``uname -a'' command, and so on). But if I can help to make more hardware working on FreeBSD I would happy to do that so let's go: Hardware : Dell laptop Precision M6300 Running wihtout problem: touchpad X11 (using nv drivers but not the «official» because I'm running amd64 version). running but with some problem : wifi card : chipset 3945 drivers : wpi (compiling in kernel) problem : sometime the wifi go down (the AP is at < 1m) and when I try to make that up again he don't work. If I try the keyboard touch (Fn+F2) that's can crash (reboot) the computer Find drivers but not running : sound. I got [root@ ~]# dmesg|grep pcm pcm0: mem 0xf6ffc000-0xf6ffffff irq 21 at device 27.0 on pci0 pcm0: [ITHREAD] pcm0: pcm0: [root@ ~]# but I don't have dsp device in my /dev so no sound.... No driver (and of course not working) NetXtreme BCM5756ME Gigabit Ethernet PCIe USB ports working. I've not try Firewire, pccard, MIC. I'm running FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE make after csup (with tag=RELENG_7) and make buildworld;kernel. I can make «any» test you want. Just ask me. Bests regards. **************************************************************************** Here my pciconf -lv stb0@pci0:0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x01f81028 chip=0x2a008086 rev=0x0c hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = 'Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 Express Processor to DRAM Controller' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI pcib1@pci0:0:1:0: class=0x060400 card=0x01f81028 chip=0x2a018086 rev=0x0c hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = 'Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 Express PCIe Root Port' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI uhci0@pci0:0:26:0: class=0x0c0300 card=0x01f81028 chip=0x28348086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI' class = serial bus subclass = USB uhci1@pci0:0:26:1: class=0x0c0300 card=0x01f81028 chip=0x28358086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI' class = serial bus subclass = USB ehci0@pci0:0:26:7: class=0x0c0320 card=0x01f81028 chip=0x283a8086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '81EC1043 (?) ICH8 Enhanced USB2 Enhanced Host Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB pcm0@pci0:0:27:0: class=0x040300 card=0x01f81028 chip=0x284b8086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801H &SUBSYS_81EC1043&REV_02\3&11583659&0&D8' class = multimedia pcib2@pci0:0:28:0: class=0x060400 card=0x01f81028 chip=0x283f8086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801H (ICH8 Family) PCIe Port 1' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI pcib3@pci0:0:28:1: class=0x060400 card=0x01f81028 chip=0x28418086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801H (ICH8 Family) PCIe Port 2' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI pcib4@pci0:0:28:3: class=0x060400 card=0x01f81028 chip=0x28458086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801H (ICH8 Family) PCIe Port 4' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI pcib5@pci0:0:28:5: class=0x060400 card=0x01f81028 chip=0x28498086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801H (ICH8 Family) PCIe Port 6' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI uhci2@pci0:0:29:0: class=0x0c0300 card=0x01f81028 chip=0x28308086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI' class = serial bus subclass = USB uhci3@pci0:0:29:1: class=0x0c0300 card=0x01f81028 chip=0x28318086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI' class = serial bus subclass = USB uhci4@pci0:0:29:2: class=0x0c0300 card=0x01f81028 chip=0x28328086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI' class = serial bus subclass = USB ehci1@pci0:0:29:7: class=0x0c0320 card=0x01f81028 chip=0x28368086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801H (ICH8 Family) USB2 EHCI' class = serial bus subclass = USB pcib6@pci0:0:30:0: class=0x060401 card=0x01f81028 chip=0x24488086 rev=0xf2 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801BAM/CAM/DBM (ICH2-M/3-M/4-M) Hub Interface to PCI Bridge' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI isab0@pci0:0:31:0: class=0x060100 card=0x01f81028 chip=0x28118086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = 'ICH8M (ICH8 Family) LPC Interface Controller' class = bridge subclass = PCI-ISA atapci0@pci0:0:31:1: class=0x01018a card=0x01f81028 chip=0x28508086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801H (ICH8 Family) Ultra ATA Storage Controllers' class = mass storage subclass = ATA atapci1@pci0:0:31:2: class=0x01018f card=0x01f81028 chip=0x28288086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = 'ICH8M (ICH8 Family) 3 port SATA Controller' class = mass storage subclass = ATA none0@pci0:0:31:3: class=0x0c0500 card=0x01f81028 chip=0x283e8086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801H (ICH8 Family) SMBus Controller' class = serial bus subclass = SMBus vgapci0@pci0:1:0:0: class=0x030000 card=0x019b1028 chip=0x040d10de rev=0xa1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' class = display subclass = VGA wpi0@pci0:12:0:0: class=0x028000 card=0x10218086 chip=0x42228086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '10418086 Intel 3945ABG Wireless LAN controller' class = network none1@pci0:9:0:0: class=0x020000 card=0x01f81028 chip=0x167414e4 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Broadcom Corporation' device = 'NetXtreme BCM5756ME Gigabit Ethernet PCIe' class = network subclass = ethernet fwohci0@pci0:3:1:0: class=0x0c0010 card=0x01f81028 chip=0x08321180 rev=0x05 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Ricoh Company, Ltd.' device = 'unknown IEEE 1394 (4 pin firewire) chip)' class = serial bus subclass = FireWire none2@pci0:3:1:1: class=0x080501 card=0x01f81028 chip=0x08221180 rev=0x22 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Ricoh Company, Ltd.' device = 'R5C832, R5C843 SDA Standard Compliant SD Host Controller' class = base peripheral none3@pci0:3:1:2: class=0x088000 card=0x01f81028 chip=0x08431180 rev=0x12 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Ricoh Company, Ltd.' device = 'unknown Ricoh MMC Host Controller' class = base peripheral none4@pci0:3:1:3: class=0x088000 card=0x01f81028 chip=0x05921180 rev=0x12 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Ricoh Company, Ltd.' device = '13871043 Ricoh Memory Stick Host Controller' class = base peripheral none5@pci0:3:1:4: class=0x088000 card=0x01f81028 chip=0x08521180 rev=0x12 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Ricoh Company, Ltd.' device = 'unknown Ricoh xD-Picture Card Host Controller' class = base peripheral ********************************************************************************* Here the dmesg Copyright (c) 1992-2008 The FreeBSD Project. 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FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #1: Wed Nov 19 03:20:47 CET 2008 root@XXXXXXXXXXX:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/XXX Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T9500 @ 2.60GHz (2592.78-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x10676 Stepping = 6 Features=0xbfebfbff Features2=0x8e3bd> AMD Features=0x20100800 AMD Features2=0x1 Cores per package: 2 usable memory = 4278091776 (4079 MB) avail memory = 4124418048 (3933 MB) ACPI APIC Table: FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 2 ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard kbd1 at kbdmux0 ath_hal: 0.9.20.3 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413) acpi0: on motherboard acpi0: [ITHREAD] acpi_hpet0: iomem 0xfed00000-0xfed003ff on acpi0 Timecounter "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 900 acpi0: reservation of 0, 9f000 (3) failed acpi0: reservation of 100000, dfd83c00 (3) failed Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x1008-0x100b on acpi0 pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 vgapci0: port 0xdf00-0xdf7f mem 0xf5000000-0xf5ffffff,0xe0000000-0xefffffff,0xf2000000-0xf3ffffff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci1 uhci0: port 0x6f20-0x6f3f irq 20 at device 26.0 on pci0 uhci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] uhci0: [ITHREAD] usb0: on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: on usb0 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci1: port 0x6f00-0x6f1f irq 21 at device 26.1 on pci0 uhci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] uhci1: [ITHREAD] usb1: on uhci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: on usb1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ehci0: mem 0xfed1c400-0xfed1c7ff irq 22 at device 26.7 on pci0 ehci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] ehci0: [ITHREAD] usb2: EHCI version 1.0 usb2: companion controllers, 2 ports each: usb0 usb1 usb2: on ehci0 usb2: USB revision 2.0 uhub2: on usb2 uhub2: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered pcm0: mem 0xf6ffc000-0xf6ffffff irq 21 at device 27.0 on pci0 pcm0: [ITHREAD] pcib2: at device 28.0 on pci0 pci11: on pcib2 pcib3: at device 28.1 on pci0 pci12: on pcib3 wpi0: mem 0xf1fff000-0xf1ffffff irq 17 at device 0.0 on pci12 wpi0: Ethernet address: 00:1f:3c:c8:fa:20 wpi0: [ITHREAD] pcib4: at device 28.3 on pci0 pci13: on pcib4 pcib5: at device 28.5 on pci0 pci9: on pcib5 pci9: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) uhci2: port 0x6f80-0x6f9f irq 20 at device 29.0 on pci0 uhci2: [GIANT-LOCKED] uhci2: [ITHREAD] usb3: on uhci2 usb3: USB revision 1.0 uhub3: on usb3 uhub3: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci3: port 0x6f60-0x6f7f irq 21 at device 29.1 on pci0 uhci3: [GIANT-LOCKED] uhci3: [ITHREAD] usb4: on uhci3 usb4: USB revision 1.0 uhub4: on usb4 uhub4: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci4: port 0x6f40-0x6f5f irq 22 at device 29.2 on pci0 uhci4: [GIANT-LOCKED] uhci4: [ITHREAD] usb5: on uhci4 usb5: USB revision 1.0 uhub5: on usb5 uhub5: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ehci1: mem 0xfed1c000-0xfed1c3ff irq 20 at device 29.7 on pci0 ehci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] ehci1: [ITHREAD] usb6: EHCI version 1.0 usb6: companion controllers, 2 ports each: usb3 usb4 usb5 usb6: on ehci1 usb6: USB revision 2.0 uhub6: on usb6 uhub6: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered pcib6: at device 30.0 on pci0 pci3: on pcib6 fwohci0: <1394 Open Host Controller Interface> mem 0xf1aff800-0xf1afffff irq 19 at device 1.0 on pci3 fwohci0: [FILTER] fwohci0: OHCI version 1.10 (ROM=0) fwohci0: No. of Isochronous channels is 4. fwohci0: EUI64 48:4f:c0:00:0c:7c:04:90 fwohci0: Phy 1394a available S400, 1 ports. fwohci0: Link S400, max_rec 2048 bytes. firewire0: on fwohci0 dcons_crom0: on firewire0 dcons_crom0: bus_addr 0x1144000 fwe0: on firewire0 if_fwe0: Fake Ethernet address: 4a:4f:c0:7c:04:90 fwe0: Ethernet address: 4a:4f:c0:7c:04:90 fwip0: on firewire0 fwip0: Firewire address: 48:4f:c0:00:0c:7c:04:90 @ 0xfffe00000000, S400, maxrec 2048 sbp0: on firewire0 fwohci0: Initiate bus reset fwohci0: BUS reset fwohci0: node_id=0xc800ffc0, gen=1, CYCLEMASTER mode pci3: at device 1.1 (no driver attached) pci3: at device 1.2 (no driver attached) pci3: at device 1.3 (no driver attached) pci3: at device 1.4 (no driver attached) isab0: at device 31.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0x6fa0-0x6faf irq 16 at device 31.1 on pci0 ata0: on atapci0 ata0: [ITHREAD] atapci1: port 0x6eb0-0x6eb7,0x6eb8-0x6ebb,0x6ec0-0x6ec7,0x6ec8-0x6ecb,0x6ee0-0x6eef,0xeff0-0xefff irq 18 at device 31.2 on pci0 atapci1: [ITHREAD] ata2: on atapci1 ata2: [ITHREAD] ata3: on atapci1 ata3: [ITHREAD] pci0: at device 31.3 (no driver attached) acpi_lid0: on acpi0 acpi_button0: on acpi0 acpi_button1: on acpi0 acpi_acad0: on acpi0 battery0: on acpi0 acpi_tz0: on acpi0 atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64,0x62,0x66 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] atkbd0: [ITHREAD] psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: [ITHREAD] psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 cpu0: on acpi0 est0: on cpu0 p4tcc0: on cpu0 cpu1: on acpi0 est1: on cpu1 p4tcc1: on cpu1 orm0: at iomem 0xc0000-0xcd7ff,0xcd800-0xcffff on isa0 ppc0: cannot reserve I/O port range sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0: port may not be enabled sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0: port may not be enabled sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 8250 or not responding sio0: [FILTER] sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio1: port may not be enabled vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 uhub7: on uhub0 uhub7: 4 ports with 3 removable, self powered ugen0: on uhub7 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec firewire0: 1 nodes, maxhop <= 0, cable IRM = 0 (me) firewire0: bus manager 0 (me) acd0: DVDR at ata0-master UDMA33 ad4: 190782MB at ata2-master SATA300 pcm0: pcm0: GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad4s1 is msdosfs/DellUtility. GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad4s2 is ntfs/OS. acd0: FAILURE - INQUIRY ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x24 ascq=0x00 acd0: FAILURE - INQUIRY ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x24 ascq=0x00 cd0 at ata0 bus 0 target S0M Pl:u nA P0 CP Uc d#0:1 L Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device cd0: 33.000MB/s transfers cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad4s3a WARNING: / was not properly dismounted wpi0: timeout resetting Tx ring 1 wpi0: timeout resetting Tx ring 3 wpi0: timeout resetting Tx ring 4 wpi0: link state changed to UP -- Albert SHIH SIO batiment 15 Observatoire de Paris Meudon 5 Place Jules Janssen 92195 Meudon Cedex Téléphone : 01 45 07 76 26 Heure local/Local time: Ven 21 nov 2008 01:23:01 CET From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 01:00:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 895311065673 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:00:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vinny-mail-01+f.questions20081120@palaceofretention.ca) Received: from www.giovannetti.ca (www.giovannetti.ca [206.248.136.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 469198FC18 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:00:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vinny-mail-01+f.questions20081120@palaceofretention.ca) Received: from the.palaceofretention.ca (intgateway.palaceofretention.ca [10.10.10.42]) by www.giovannetti.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9DFC11438 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:34:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4926015A.3010803@palaceofretention.ca> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:31:22 -0500 From: Vinny User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080513) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Suggestions for PII 400 boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:00:08 -0000 Hi, A friend of mine is trying out FreeBSD and ran into a booting problem. Here is his message: "Well, that's discouraging. I have put together an old PII 400 with three 20GB drives and a CDROM that I'd like to run BSD on. Half a GB of RAM I figured would be respectable. Downloaded the ISO files, burned CDs of them and when I try to run them it starts to boot and then freezes tighter than a muskrat's arse. Three lines coming on the screen and it ends with "Starting the_" and just hangs. I've got a PIII 1000 here that I use as a file server and the boot disks run fine on that. Just won't boot off the PII 400. Weird. Really, really weird. I tried five different CDROMs in case it was the actual drive but same thing. I tried using version 6.3 instead of release 7.0 and same thing. That system doesn't like BSD/Linux whatever. I use GParted as a partition manager all the time which is bootable and same thing on that machine. It just don't like booting to that OS." Any suggestions? Thanks Vinny From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 01:21:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A64106564A for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:21:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA738FC1B for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:21:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAL1LmoE053149 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:21:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:21:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:21:20 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20081121012115.GA68795@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Subject: do we have any grammar checkers for FBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:21:24 -0000 Are there are grammer-checkers [ or ones that offer suggestions ] for FreeBSD? If there is one with OOo-3, I haven't been able to build it yet.... gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 01:37:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94F581065670 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:37:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from blade2-ext.obspm.fr (blade2-ext.obspm.fr [145.238.186.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B567C8FC12 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:37:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from obspm.fr (pcjas.obspm.fr [145.238.184.233]) by blade2-ext.obspm.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/SIO Observatoire de Paris - 15/11/07) with ESMTP id mAL1bNgx008256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:37:24 +0100 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:37:23 +0100 From: Albert Shih To: Giorgos Keramidas Message-ID: <20081121013723.GA22897@obspm.fr> References: <20081118145535.GB30563@obspm.fr> <87y6ze4u5j.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081121004329.GC5215@obspm.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20081121004329.GC5215@obspm.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (blade2-ext.obspm.fr [145.238.186.20]); Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:37:24 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.1/8656/Thu Nov 20 23:12:54 2008 on blade2-ext.obspm.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wifi Card for laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:37:27 -0000 Le 21/11/2008 à 01:43:29+0100, Albert Shih a écrit > Le 20/11/2008 à 11:35:20+0200, Giorgos Keramidas a écrit > After some google I find the patch http://people.freebsd.org/~mav/ for the sound problem. > > Find drivers but not running : > > sound. I got > [root@ ~]# dmesg|grep pcm > pcm0: mem 0xf6ffc000-0xf6ffffff irq 21 at device 27.0 on pci0 > pcm0: [ITHREAD] > pcm0: > pcm0: > [root@ ~]# > Regards. -- Albert SHIH SIO batiment 15 Observatoire de Paris Meudon 5 Place Jules Janssen 92195 Meudon Cedex Heure local/Local time: Ven 21 nov 2008 02:35:39 CET From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 01:58:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: QUESTIONS@FREEBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE94106564A for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:58:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cursos@inforedwbcc.net) Received: from quebec.vianetworks.es (smtp.vianetworks.es [213.236.6.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2757A8FC0A for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:58:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cursos@inforedwbcc.net) Received: from srvmail.com (static-157-109-235-87.ipcom.comunitel.net [87.235.109.157] (may be forged)) (authenticated) by quebec.vianetworks.es (8.11.6p2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id mAL1eQh25495 for ; 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Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:19:13 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <4926015A.3010803@palaceofretention.ca> References: <4926015A.3010803@palaceofretention.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Pratt Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:19:07 -0800 To: Vinny X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-session-marker: 6561676C6574726565406875676865732E6E6574 Cc: FreeBSD-Questions Questions Subject: Re: Suggestions for PII 400 boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:19:25 -0000 On Nov 20, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Vinny wrote: > Hi, > > A friend of mine is trying out FreeBSD and ran into > a booting problem. Here is his message: > > "Well, that's discouraging. > > I have put together an old PII 400 with three 20GB drives and a > CDROM that I'd like to run BSD on. Half a GB of RAM I figured > would be respectable. > > Downloaded the ISO files, burned CDs of them and when I try to run > them it starts to boot and then freezes tighter than a muskrat's arse. > > Three lines coming on the screen and it ends with "Starting the_" > and just hangs. > He might want to try downloading the floppy set and booting from there. I think that is what I did on an old Dell 200 I'm using as a bridging firewall at home. This is a pathetically old machine and won't boot the ISO (I found it when cleaning out my rental, left to throw away by the renter), but it works great once you finally get the system on it. It's on 6.2 but I imagine 7.0 will be fine. FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p3 #3: Mon Apr 9 09:11:48 UTC 2007 ----snip---- Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Pentium/P55C (199.43-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x544 Stepping = 4 Features=0x8001bf real memory = 100663296 (96 MB) avail memory = 93102080 (88 MB) Intel Pentium detected, installing workaround for F00F bug > I've got a PIII 1000 here that I use as a file server and the boot > disks run fine on that. Just won't boot off the PII 400. > > Weird. Really, really weird. I tried five different CDROMs in > case it was the actual drive but same thing. I tried using version > 6.3 instead of release 7.0 and same thing. > > That system doesn't like BSD/Linux whatever. > > I use GParted as a partition manager all the time which is bootable > and same thing on that machine. It just don't like booting to that > OS." > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks > Vinny > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 03:31:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4281065675 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:31:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd1@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C146B8FC17 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:31:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd1@a1poweruser.com) Received: from [10.0.10.6] ([202.69.173.209]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:30:23 -0800 Message-ID: <49262BAB.3080308@a1poweruser.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:31:55 +0800 From: Fbsd1 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vinny References: <4926015A.3010803@palaceofretention.ca> In-Reply-To: <4926015A.3010803@palaceofretention.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2008 03:30:24.0050 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D3CA920:01C94B89] X-Sender: fbsd1@a1poweruser.com Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Suggestions for PII 400 boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:31:23 -0000 Vinny wrote: > Hi, > > A friend of mine is trying out FreeBSD and ran into > a booting problem. Here is his message: > > "Well, that's discouraging. > > I have put together an old PII 400 with three 20GB drives and a CDROM > that I'd like to run BSD on. Half a GB of RAM I figured would be > respectable. > > Downloaded the ISO files, burned CDs of them and when I try to run them > it starts to boot and then freezes tighter than a muskrat's arse. > > Three lines coming on the screen and it ends with "Starting the_" and > just hangs. > > I've got a PIII 1000 here that I use as a file server and the boot disks > run fine on that. Just won't boot off the PII 400. > > Weird. Really, really weird. I tried five different CDROMs in case it > was the actual drive but same thing. I tried using version 6.3 instead > of release 7.0 and same thing. > > That system doesn't like BSD/Linux whatever. > > I use GParted as a partition manager all the time which is bootable and > same thing on that machine. It just don't like booting to that OS." > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks > Vinny > > > Excerpt from Installers guide www.a1poweruser.com PC BIOS The first thing your PC does after being powered on or when rebooting is the motherboard BIOS ROM chip gets control and it interrogates all the hardware ports on the motherboard to determine what I/O devices are attached. This is called the POST process. As part of this POST process the user changeable BIOS values stored in a CMOS chip on the motherboard are read and used to configure the PC’s hardware. These BIOS values are changed using the BIOS setup utility. The most common BOIS chip in use today is manufactured by Award. If your PC does not use an Award BIOS chip then you have to read the manual that came with your PC for details. This summary screen information is very helpful in debugging FBSD hardware problems, because it tells you what your PC hardware is and how the IRQ numbers are assigned. IRQ stands for interrupt request. An interrupt is the doorway the I/O device uses to tell the CPU that it wants its turn at getting some processing cycles. This is how the CPU shares service time among all the devices attached to the motherboard. Starting Award BIOS setup utility During the power up/reboot POST process you will see in the lower left corner of the monitor screen the message ‘Press DEL to enter setup’. While this message is showing press the keyboard delete key and the Award BIOSs setup utility main menu displays on the screen. First time changes to PC BIOS Navigate around the menus using the keyboard arrow keys looking for the following options. Your PC BIOS may not have all of these. Virus Warning=, set this option to disable. It’s a firmware check of the hard drive boot sector looking for MS/Windows boot virus. This will stop FBSD booting from the install CDROM. plug-n-play=, set this option to disable. FBSD is not sensitive to Microsoft plug-n-play standard and may refuse to install, or cause PCI cards not to be found. Disable or set to auto any BIOS option to assign IRQ numbers to PCI expansion slots. Disable any ISA expansion slots. Operating system type=, set to ‘other’ or any Unix type of operating system, don’t set to MS/Windows. Disable all power management options. boot sequence=, set this option to (CDROM,C) Since you are installing FBSD from CDROM you must tell the PC what I/O device to boot from. Follow the BIOS menu instructions to save your changes and exit. The PC will reboot it self. Keep in mind that some older CDROM drives and older legacy PC BIOS do not support booting off CDROM. Generally with PCs manufactured after 1999 this is not a problem. If you do run into this, you have a really old PC and you will need to create boot floppies to boot from. This is outside the scope of this document. Please read the FBSD Handbook at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-pre.html#INSTALL-FLOPPIES Legacy BIOS also are incompatible with the larger hard disk sizes and the faster 66 and 100 UDMA drives. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 06:05:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 112EE106567B for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:05:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd1@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDA658FC1C for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:05:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd1@a1poweruser.com) Received: from [10.0.10.6] ([202.69.173.209]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:04:54 -0800 Message-ID: <49264FE3.20809@a1poweruser.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:06:27 +0800 From: Fbsd1 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2008 06:04:54.0972 (UTC) FILETIME=[132317C0:01C94B9F] X-Sender: fbsd1@a1poweruser.com Subject: Using diff X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:05:54 -0000 Trying to use diff program to create a patch. Output gos to console and does not create the patch file. If it do diff original updated > patch.file The patch.file does not look like a normal patch file. What am I doing wrong here? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 06:09:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C547106564A for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:09:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bill@ayn.mi.celestial.com) Received: from ayn.mi.celestial.com (hayek.celestial.com [192.136.111.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E828FC1A for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:09:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bill@ayn.mi.celestial.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ayn.mi.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D548568034541; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:09:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mi.celestial.com Received: from ayn.mi.celestial.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ayn.mi.celestial.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id ZE1UivEwbAr8; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:09:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by ayn.mi.celestial.com (Postfix, from userid 203) id AECC6680028F4; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:09:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:09:07 -0800 From: Bill Campbell To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081121060907.GA9934@ayn.mi.celestial.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <49264FE3.20809@a1poweruser.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <49264FE3.20809@a1poweruser.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 OpenPKG/% (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: Using diff X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@celestial.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:09:08 -0000 On Fri, Nov 21, 2008, Fbsd1 wrote: > Trying to use diff program to create a patch. > Output gos to console and does not create the patch file. > > If it do diff original updated > patch.file > > The patch.file does not look like a normal patch file. > > What am I doing wrong here? Try ``diff -u original updates > patch.file''. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@celestial.com Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way Voice: (206) 236-1676 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820 Fax: (206) 232-9186 If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it coses when it's free -- P.J. O'Rourke From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 06:28:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08DB9106564A for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:28:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tabthorpe@freebsd.org) Received: from rex.goodking.ca (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1c:66::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A18C48FC08 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:28:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tabthorpe@freebsd.org) Received: from goodking6 (goodking6 [IPv6:2001:4830:1200:117::2]) by rex.goodking.ca (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mAL6S2BL062990; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:28:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tabthorpe@freebsd.org) From: Thomas Abthorpe Organization: FreeBSD.GoodKing.Ca To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, dino_vliet@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:28:00 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <661300.86973.qm@web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <661300.86973.qm@web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Face: /|[9,PbEOB6g>?2^*Sc|"~6:Ro"O>Nv\Rfkv\42g)=?utf-8?q?TuAYG=26+bD=5CpCJTX31s=5Fp=7Bc7=5D5a=2ED=2E=0A=09Y?=@QddKu_I[XB8; euK=^[=L1I#]rgi[0jgz^4qCTwlj]3kJ)]vc}O"HrA14hN)=?utf-8?q?aXewJPTi=7C=0A=09Pt=7BS3=23Vw4x-?="/:& X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (rex.goodking.ca [IPv6:2001:470:1c:66::2]); Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:28:03 -0500 (EST) Cc: Subject: Re: install gamin in stead of fam X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:28:04 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On November 20, 2008 06:28:21 pm Dino Vliet wrote: > The approaches I can think of are: > > 1) get rid of fam and everything that requires it with pkg_deinstall -R > fam* , then adjust /etc/make.conf to have WITH_FAM_SYSTEM=gamin and > reinstall all above packages one by one > > 2) write a shell script to automate all those steps above > > > So my question boils down to this, am I on the good track? Are there > other alternatives (or caveats) > > Thanks Ater you set WITH_FAM_SYSTEM=gamin, you should be able to perform portupgrade -fo devel/gamin fam This will replace the software and the appropriate dependancies. I did this very same thing but in reverse, gamin->fam :) HTH Thomas - -- Thomas Abthorpe | FreeBSD Committer tabthorpe@FreeBSD.org | http://people.freebsd.org/~tabthorpe -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkmVPEACgkQ5Gm/jNBp8qCxkgCfVatJyU/kBEpGrwVBTqfKqz1f +t4AniT1K+d4H6Sq0pVb7brj9kWKiUTL =vAoC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 06:38:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B911065670 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:38:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ptkrisada@gmail.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D88838FC12 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:38:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ptkrisada@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so878635wfg.7 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:38:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:mail-followup-to:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:user-agent; bh=gtesqM94KEmckJ2iQMYVJdKYbusoYSpvoqiqjyRBRMQ=; b=fhTdMzPW8TQCh+O83dXYWL0cJ/XFDs8vdxn/PQZZbv13powkFU9BKIkwn2szQSUFCY Vdz1L6B7DbdYI4WPJu2BiGZSwt38llUcR4KOPh2vjW8fSBBkBgDoq42548Rv5MWCJdwn FKP+7Twfu4muBB6ZpUH1HGpmTSWtBnzbixUtQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:user-agent; b=ddM9acYGoLv4fCnIp9RSLDcVygrvP8cygnPBfoTZUIngnn6a0dvtnXtuPU6xRa0n3d iKofwrzcXDWRvmyc7zAj4kuAEt3YEVscRGOwhtCiEZqABuKb75vtQp8VwwfV5erGUsxh bH+zY0KCib7WHhoSnsLa5e0NVttjiE/WHrTu8= Received: by 10.142.238.12 with SMTP id l12mr88144wfh.314.1227247589918; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:06:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from gmail.com ([203.153.172.74]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 31sm2486215wff.23.2008.11.20.22.06.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:06:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:06:19 +0700 From: Pongthep Kulkrisada To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081121060619.GA1057@gmail.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Problem about ppp -nat X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:38:37 -0000 Hi All, I have just subscribed to freebsd-questions and I have a question about ppp -nat. I have 2 computers. One is running FreeBSD-7.0R, the other is running WinXP. The host running FBSD7.0R has been connecting to the outside world using user-ppp without any problem for very long. Now I want to share internet access to the other host behind NAT through this FBSD host. My FBSD machine has 2 interfaces i.e. tun0 (connecting to ISP) with dynamic IP (of course) fxp0 (for internal LAN) with static IP of 192.168.1.10 My WinXP machine has 1 interface (internal LAN) with static IP of 192.168.1.11 Previously I have a router acting as a gateway for all machines behind NAT. But now I want FBSD machine to work as a gateway. I have never done this before. I tried some googling with reading ppp(8) and ipfw(8). And I tried masquerading but it didn't work. I have plenty configuration files. But the relevant configurations are listed here. /etc/rc.conf # enable IP forwarding gateway_enable="YES" # previously I ran web-server, just disable it or comment it out, not sure why! #apache_enable="YES" On the host running WinXP, I set its gateway and DNS server to the IP of ppp host i.e. 192.168.1.10. I then inserted the following line as the first rule in /etc/ipfw.rules. /sbin/ipfw add allow all from any to any via fxp0 (I know this rule is dangerous, but just for testing.) I then issue the ppp command. root@fbsd:~# ppp -background -nat myisp FBSD host (running ppp) can access anywhere but WinXP host can't. I learned from some site explaining that ppp itself has the capability of IP masquerading. And it does not require natd(8). So I don't mention about natd here. Anyone have a clue or who have done the correct configurations, please point me out. Thank you in advance. Pongthep From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 06:42:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03972106564A for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:42:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE4E8FC14 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:42:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E035AFC1C6; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:42:30 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:42:09 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <20081120163330.amssmoq1c8ksskg0@www.riboflavin.net> In-Reply-To: <20081120163330.amssmoq1c8ksskg0@www.riboflavin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811210742.12124.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: "Marcus I. Ryan" , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Jails and common ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:42:34 -0000 On Thursday 20 November 2008 23:33:30 Marcus I. Ryan wrote: > However, I started hitting issues with libtool and friends. The > children would not find them, and would go ahead and start installing > their own local copies of those ports. Turns out quite a few tools > are defined in /usr/ports/Mk/* and are defined relative to LOCALBASE. > If I leave LOCALBASE and PREFIX alone in the child jails so they'll > use /usr/local for their specific ports, I can't recognize and use > other ports like libtool installed in /opt; it doesn't seem right to > set LOCALBASE in the child jails since I want them to use /usr/local > for anything I haven't provided. Yeah, I feel your pain. You can't really do this with ports that require libraries from other ports. The ports system was created with the assumption that LOCALBASE (and PREFIX) for one installation (one PKG_DBDIR) is the same. There are some exceptions, or rather, for some things it can work but libraries in general don't and libtool is even pickier. I only have bash-static, sudo and vim shared in /opt, as they are stand-alone and no ports I use depend on them. The only thing I can think of that would work for you, is to use unionfs for /usr/local. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 06:52:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D510106564A for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:52:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brentgclarklist@gmail.com) Received: from mail.eccotours.biz (mail.ripponssafarilodge.com [196.36.10.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B4F28FC1A for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:52:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brentgclarklist@gmail.com) Received: from [192.168.111.31] by mail.eccotours.biz with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L3Ps4-0003kL-2d for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:52:04 +0200 Message-ID: <49265A93.4050501@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:52:03 +0200 From: Brent Clark User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081018) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <492523EF.7050801@gmail.com> <28283d910811200756w5284cf2du2e318624a9f1c3f2@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <28283d910811200756w5284cf2du2e318624a9f1c3f2@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Warning: Can't find ..... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:52:06 -0000 matt donovan wrote: > Well you didn't install man pages since minimal install does not > install them. To get the man pages you have to change 7.0-RELEASE-p5 > to just 7.0-RELEASE Hi Thanks for this, I actually did realise my mistake after the post. Mans installed :) What does make me wonder is how or why sysinternal's option was set to 7.0-RELEASE-p5 and / or could not work around it. Anyway, its working, so im chuffed. Thanks again for the reply Kind Regards Brent Clark From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 07:07:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EC911065672 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:07:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B608FC1C for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:07:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 6so326995eyi.7 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:07:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BnN+t/zJW2wfcmgdjW596tSX7dqLEwyglXzPpICSZnI=; b=NaEFd1Ra07D29yyJIgAKoHOE+mK4RBA6oeUv6uc3tyVt0QbzBgjiyp+gGFVRG4nMF1 MpxFOHBhaj6EU9GFN0OoiCY4eVc8TG5HfU2/zOFFD2IKj4fzaj4aiBCqHWtDNBWg46S7 OA2VyLJZMaxUriTGqdQIz+DYxN4VUoLZhyN9s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=M6SYT0ftA512kZWHGVblpKGmxUFbbqbYMkO341rST6vQHJkZ5UjQp+plveGUs7ivzQ vFyBiVl2S+frvyWyzgMI5HaTVpqQnIaf1xD/xnVF6SrLLbQsfrN+m1Faz+nnoII96bgb ZvCZSCGqajWNZCixd/k6HKJMCK0eZ7QLTKHcE= Received: by 10.210.26.14 with SMTP id 14mr174960ebz.165.1227251256758; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:07:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from atlantis.dyndns.org (athedsl-4362332.home.otenet.gr [79.130.0.76]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z40sm1224065ikz.20.2008.11.20.23.07.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:07:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49265E34.6020907@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:07:32 +0200 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081011) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081121060619.GA1057@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20081121060619.GA1057@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Problem about ppp -nat X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:07:38 -0000 Pongthep Kulkrisada wrote: > Hi All, > > I have just subscribed to freebsd-questions and I have a question about ppp -nat. > > I have 2 computers. One is running FreeBSD-7.0R, the other is running WinXP. The host running FBSD7.0R has been connecting to the outside world using user-ppp without any problem for very long. Now I want to share internet access to the other host behind NAT through this FBSD host. > My FBSD machine has 2 interfaces i.e. > tun0 (connecting to ISP) with dynamic IP (of course) > fxp0 (for internal LAN) with static IP of 192.168.1.10 > My WinXP machine has 1 interface (internal LAN) with static IP of 192.168.1.11 > > Previously I have a router acting as a gateway for all machines behind NAT. But now I want FBSD machine to work as a gateway. I have never done this before. I tried some googling with reading ppp(8) and ipfw(8). And I tried masquerading but it didn't work. I have plenty configuration files. But the relevant configurations are listed here. > > /etc/rc.conf > # enable IP forwarding > gateway_enable="YES" > # previously I ran web-server, just disable it or comment it out, not sure why! > #apache_enable="YES" > > On the host running WinXP, I set its gateway and DNS server to the IP of ppp host i.e. 192.168.1.10. > > I then inserted the following line as the first rule in /etc/ipfw.rules. > /sbin/ipfw add allow all from any to any via fxp0 > (I know this rule is dangerous, but just for testing.) > > I then issue the ppp command. > root@fbsd:~# ppp -background -nat myisp > > FBSD host (running ppp) can access anywhere but WinXP host can't. I learned from some site explaining that ppp itself has the capability of IP masquerading. And it does not require natd(8). So I don't mention about natd here. > Anyone have a clue or who have done the correct configurations, please point me out. > > Thank you in advance. > Pongthep > > There are at least two ways that I know of to achieve this. One uses the ipfw firewall, the other the pf firewall. For the ipfw solution, look at the FreeBSD Handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-natd.html This worked fine for me, although I prefer to use pf. Here is how I setup pf (Adjust for your interfaces as necessary) My Internet interface is rl0, setup in rc.conf as: ifconfig_rl0="inet 192.168.0.100 netmask 255.255.255.0" My local interface is rl1, setup in rc.conf as: ifconfig_rl1="inet 192.168.1.100 netmask 255.255.255.0" (I also have a defaultrouter setting which probably does not apply to you) I have nameserver entries in /etc/resolv.conf (or setup your own DNS server if you wish) Use this settings in rc.conf for pf: pf_enable="YES" pflog_logfile="/var/log/pflog" pflog_flags="" pf_rules="/etc/pf.conf" pf_flags="" gateway_enable="YES" Run: # sysctl net.inet.ip.forwarding=1 # /etc/rc.d/routing restart Add net.inet.ip.forwarding=1 to /etc/sysctl.conf so it persists reboots Add the following rule to /etc/pf.conf nat pass on rl0 from rl1:network to any -> rl0 AFAIR, if rl0 has a dynamic address, you will have to write it with parentheses, like: nat pass on rl0 from rl1:network to any -> (rl0) (Note that in /etc/pf.conf translation rules like the above, are placed above filtering rules like pass or block etc) You may have to adjust /etc/pf.conf filtering rules, assuming you have any. Restart some services # /etc/rc.d/netif restart # /etc/rc.d/routing restart # /etc/rc.d/pf restart or simply reboot, and you should be set. Note that in your client machine, you should set gateway to point to your FreeBSD machine, but unless you are running your own DNS server, DNS entries should point to your ISP. If you combine this setup with a DHCP server from the Ports Collection, you will have pretty much a standard home router out of a FreeBSD machine. There are also other capabilities, like port forwarding and so on, but I'll let you figure them out yourself ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 07:18:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C64B11065672 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:18:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 466E18FC0A for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:18:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from [80.217.86.51] (c80-217-86-51.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.86.51]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAL7HjIj076724; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:17:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Message-ID: <49266099.2060408@bah.homeip.net> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:17:45 +0100 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: slrn/1.0.5 (FreeBSD) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?Tmlrb2xhIExlxI1pxIc=?= References: <491E781C.3090405@bah.homeip.net> <4ad871310811150516l7c94e763tabbba31027187dcd@mail.gmail.com> <491EE1A0.5050103@bah.homeip.net> <4ad871310811150651r6ea6fbb7l985b00f97fa96fa@mail.gmail.com> <491EEE0A.5040100@bah.homeip.net> <20081115171357.7afbaa4b@anthesphoria.net> <491FBF34.3090703@bah.homeip.net> <20081116141005.5a97dfa4@anthesphoria.net> In-Reply-To: <20081116141005.5a97dfa4@anthesphoria.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Glen Barber , FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems with Xfce & console X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:18:01 -0000 Nikola LeÄić said the following on 2008-11-16 14:10: > On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 07:35:32 +0100 > Bernt Hansson wrote: > >> Nikola LeÄić said the following on 2008-11-15 17:13: >>> On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:43:06 +0100 >>> Bernt Hansson wrote: >>> >>>> For me it's just xfce with option "Virtual". >>>> if I omit "Virtual" xfce works fine but not any other WM. >>>> Strange. >>> Can you try x11-drivers/xf86-video-radeonhd (Driver "radeonhd")? >> Yes I was thinking about that one but was not sure if it was another >> driver or just a rename. I test it when I get back to work. > > They are not the same driver, "radeon" is a pretty basic thing while > RadeonHD is a driver based on the specifications revealed by AMD. They > constantly continue to open new data so the driver is improving pretty > fast. For now it has even a basic 3D functionality and it could replace > close-source fglrx driver in the future. > > http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=842&num=1 > > In my experience either fglrx (on Linux) or radeonhd always improved > things. Ok. That did the trick. "Virtual" is now working. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 07:48:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85F081065670 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:48:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA7DF8FC17 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:48:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl63-61.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.190.61]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mAL7mJ3r024852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:48:24 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mAL7mJnI037635; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:48:19 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mAL7mI31037610; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:48:18 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr References: <20081118145535.GB30563@obspm.fr> <87y6ze4u5j.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081121004329.GC5215@obspm.fr> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:48:17 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20081121004329.GC5215@obspm.fr> (Albert Shih's message of "Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:43:29 +0100") Message-ID: <8763mh34fy.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MailScanner-ID: mAL7mJ3r024852 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.298, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.10, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@freebsd.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wifi Card for laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:48:28 -0000 On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:43:29 +0100, Albert Shih wrot= e: > First thanks you for you help > In fact I make the wifi run by using wpi driver. That's nice, yes. The wpi(4) driver seems to support the chipset of your wlan adapter :) > Running wihtout problem: > > touchpad > X11 (using nv drivers but not the =ABofficial=BB because I'm > running amd64 version). > > running but with some problem : > > wifi card : chipset 3945 > drivers : wpi (compiling in kernel) > problem : sometime the wifi go down (the AP is at < 1m) and > when I try to make that up again he don't work. If I try > the keyboard touch (Fn+F2) that's can crash (reboot) the > computer Hmmm, that's a bit bad. Is `Fn+F2' the key that turns wireless OFF/ON for this laptop? Maybe the driver is crashing because the device detaches and re-attaches while the driver is stuck somewhere :( If you think you can grab a kernel dump from this, maybe it's going to be useful to debug the problem. > No driver (and of course not working) > > NetXtreme BCM5756ME Gigabit Ethernet PCIe I don't see `BCM5756' or `5756' anywhere in the manpages or the source of the kernel in of 8.0-CURRENT either. I think this is not supported :( > I'm running > > FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE > > make after csup (with tag=3DRELENG_7) and make buildworld;kernel. > > I can make =ABany=BB test you want. Just ask me. > usable memory =3D 4278091776 (4079 MB) > avail memory =3D 4124418048 (3933 MB) Heh, nice. I see you are running an amd64 build of FreeBSD, and there are *lots* of memory on this laptop :) One of the tests you can run, to find out what is broken in wpi(4), is to build a kernel with DDB/KDB support, and grab a kernel dump when the wpi(4) interface stops working. The ``Developer's Handbook'' can help you build a debugging kernel: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/kern= eldebug.html Using DDB to trace through the `live' kernel while it is stuck is a bit tricky, but if you manage to grab some of the DDB output (i.e. with a serial console or even just a photograph with a camera), then we can mail the developers of wpi(4) and ask them for more help :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 07:54:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBD101065679 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:54:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B51F8FC14 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:54:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so800719rvf.43 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:54:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=FZLqWOBBqKGDPg5ejJoRVCkK2YLhi6SxeeOBPAt5hfA=; b=XcFW24+EvFLHEazSJvff3jqz3idADSJ1iW7tiNrL3TA+Eenj6ME2Z0TckUSRT9BbKn wvwnMqCEfDFlO6Wfzx7YrE6vn9sD/pYZvDHxaaEGVOJ71lBGByU5BXGnEi1M+nvW+TBQ QRXuZ9N49+Qk02LIX6WQPxsrMlKp5A/bDU0pA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=TmHTgXrXM4cA0wyBdL8Zt7hqLgz5LrQ1rsjvo/vjliNBOOtf1FgZCM/6sjucv30OhR 9/O8xBG3+3bMBDFRbbUXMv0yInMr0HX6q6hfyP4dy/4i7GLctlvFY1lvm5kKjji3nnnG DwoTUsn9l5oJMaHslFB47fDv99/4O+GM4TUqk= Received: by 10.142.109.8 with SMTP id h8mr131026wfc.139.1227252392029; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:26:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.180.17 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:26:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <139b44430811202326j6eafb93fgde2a55c1564da68f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:26:31 +0200 From: "Valentin Bud" To: "Wojciech Puchar" In-Reply-To: <20081120222909.K17356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <02c801c94b40$4b6a2f10$e23e8d30$@za.net> <20081120204756.O16829@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081120222909.K17356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Marcel Grandemange , Tsu-Fan Cheng Subject: Re: ZFS Recovery Tools X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:54:32 -0000 On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:31 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> Hi, >> I was just reading stuff about ZFS, and wonder if it would be >> beneficial for me to use it. I store a lots of multimedia files in my >> HD, they usually have the size of > 1GB (e.g. 1.2, 1.7 or even >> bigger), and my system is running UFS. > > simply use UFS with big blocks (-b 65536 -f 8192) will be OK. > > BTW i have such change in param.h on every system i have: > > --- param.h~ 2008-10-09 20:49:54.000000000 +0200 > +++ param.h 2008-10-09 20:49:54.000000000 +0200 > @@ -121,7 +121,7 @@ > #define DFLTPHYS (64 * 1024) /* default max raw I/O transfer size > */ > #endif > #ifndef MAXPHYS > -#define MAXPHYS (128 * 1024) /* max raw I/O transfer size > */ > +#define MAXPHYS (1024 * 1024) /* max raw I/O transfer > size */ What does MAXPHYS mean (yes max raw I/O transfer) and do? A little bit more specific if you may. thank you. > #endif > #ifndef MAXDUMPPGS > #define MAXDUMPPGS (DFLTPHYS/PAGE_SIZE) > > > no idea why it's not the default. > > > >> so can I buy a new HD, say 500GB, and format it ZFS style and use it >> along with other UFS? and will ZFS performs better than UFS in my > > there may be slight (if any) speedup with transfer speed, and HUGE (like > 10x) increase in CPU load. on slower CPUs transfers will be actually slower. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 08:26:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 836DC1065670 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:26:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd1@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF538FC1C for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:26:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd1@a1poweruser.com) Received: from [10.0.10.6] ([202.69.173.209]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:25:32 -0800 Message-ID: <492670D9.9090100@a1poweruser.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:27:05 +0800 From: Fbsd1 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pongthep Kulkrisada References: <20081121060619.GA1057@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20081121060619.GA1057@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2008 08:25:33.0053 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8A012D0:01C94BB2] X-Sender: fbsd1@a1poweruser.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem about ppp -nat X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:26:31 -0000 Pongthep Kulkrisada wrote: > Hi All, > > I have just subscribed to freebsd-questions and I have a question about ppp -nat. > > I have 2 computers. One is running FreeBSD-7.0R, the other is running WinXP. The host running FBSD7.0R has been connecting to the outside world using user-ppp without any problem for very long. Now I want to share internet access to the other host behind NAT through this FBSD host. > My FBSD machine has 2 interfaces i.e. > tun0 (connecting to ISP) with dynamic IP (of course) > fxp0 (for internal LAN) with static IP of 192.168.1.10 > My WinXP machine has 1 interface (internal LAN) with static IP of 192.168.1.11 > > Previously I have a router acting as a gateway for all machines behind NAT. But now I want FBSD machine to work as a gateway. I have never done this before. I tried some googling with reading ppp(8) and ipfw(8). And I tried masquerading but it didn't work. I have plenty configuration files. But the relevant configurations are listed here. > > /etc/rc.conf > # enable IP forwarding > gateway_enable="YES" > # previously I ran web-server, just disable it or comment it out, not sure why! > #apache_enable="YES" > > On the host running WinXP, I set its gateway and DNS server to the IP of ppp host i.e. 192.168.1.10. > > I then inserted the following line as the first rule in /etc/ipfw.rules. > /sbin/ipfw add allow all from any to any via fxp0 > (I know this rule is dangerous, but just for testing.) > > I then issue the ppp command. > root@fbsd:~# ppp -background -nat myisp > > FBSD host (running ppp) can access anywhere but WinXP host can't. I learned from some site explaining that ppp itself has the capability of IP masquerading. And it does not require natd(8). So I don't mention about natd here. > Anyone have a clue or who have done the correct configurations, please point me out. > > Thank you in advance. > Pongthep > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > You need to run dhcp so you can assign ip address on the LAN so the down stream xp box can gain access to the public internet through your gateway freebsd box. There is a detailed step by step instructions in the install guide at www.a1poweruser.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 08:41:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A1D6106564A for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:41:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B4178FC08 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:41:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAL8fESW019924; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:41:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAL8fCwR019921; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:41:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:41:12 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Vinny In-Reply-To: <4926015A.3010803@palaceofretention.ca> Message-ID: <20081121094043.D19920@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4926015A.3010803@palaceofretention.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Suggestions for PII 400 boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:41:23 -0000 > I have put together an old PII 400 with three 20GB drives and a CDROM that > I'd like to run BSD on. Half a GB of RAM I figured would be respectable. a lot of. > > Downloaded the ISO files, burned CDs of them and when I try to run them it > starts to boot and then freezes tighter than a muskrat's arse. > > Three lines coming on the screen and it ends with "Starting the_" and just > hangs. > I've got a PIII 1000 here that I use as a file server and the boot disks run > fine on that. Just won't boot off the PII 400. are you sure machine is OK. tried memtest? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 08:42:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CADE1065674 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:42:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB3218FC21 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:42:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAL8gm51019937; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:42:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAL8gmxp019934; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:42:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:42:48 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Valentin Bud In-Reply-To: <139b44430811202326j6eafb93fgde2a55c1564da68f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081121094146.P19920@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <02c801c94b40$4b6a2f10$e23e8d30$@za.net> <20081120204756.O16829@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081120222909.K17356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <139b44430811202326j6eafb93fgde2a55c1564da68f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Marcel Grandemange , Tsu-Fan Cheng Subject: Re: ZFS Recovery Tools X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:42:54 -0000 > What does MAXPHYS mean (yes max raw I/O transfer) and do? A little > bit more specific if you may. how large can be single read from disk. when you say read 2 files in the same time, FreeBSD will readahead at most MAXPHYS from one file, then from file 2, from file 1 etc. 128kB/s is way too much for todays drives, that can read 1MB within one access time. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 08:45:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B2F21065674 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:45:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C83F8FC17 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:45:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so917494wfg.7 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:45:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=sUCR5M0Da8B64kuMJzDfKAuav5LsPLDrR5S80Btyrus=; b=eFauokQSl7qvQUAGMjIg1EB8u78XyM6yjVv29wSqSm6TUnDLklj9dYKQGBHwd7UEpe Ez5L4YX/sH40qbfUR6oyglu/kPX1f97RVqMBFeGW/KBE2w8LBryEnK9c82th8PbPaE8+ JhDvxT6cbjlGKEUFPkxuOp2nqF/ZI6tF38Nbo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=XDmcj1dKXDbyjh4xr1n3Pw/HcqN0nIpnEHWvxE+LnwibxS8sZiZ9w84w2LpMV+lKuk 7JBd885UDl0p6RLmOfLzjQdNr1hjg8KTcD9RlMmmQjfhSESSFNKCcTz8B7tCJ+a0me7M apFGEYzFYCdD+DxajBzk8/cXL7x5dsqxe3BcM= Received: by 10.142.245.6 with SMTP id s6mr167819wfh.34.1227257100447; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:45:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.180.17 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:45:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <139b44430811210045k1a27cc1an7c0ea7b0cbbce1d1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:45:00 +0200 From: "Valentin Bud" To: "Wojciech Puchar" In-Reply-To: <20081121094146.P19920@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <02c801c94b40$4b6a2f10$e23e8d30$@za.net> <20081120204756.O16829@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081120222909.K17356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <139b44430811202326j6eafb93fgde2a55c1564da68f@mail.gmail.com> <20081121094146.P19920@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Marcel Grandemange , Tsu-Fan Cheng Subject: Re: ZFS Recovery Tools X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:45:01 -0000 On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> What does MAXPHYS mean (yes max raw I/O transfer) and do? A little >> bit more specific if you may. > > how large can be single read from disk. > > when you say read 2 files in the same time, FreeBSD will readahead at most > MAXPHYS from one file, then from file 2, from file 1 etc. > > 128kB/s is way too much for todays drives, that can read 1MB within one > access time. > Thank you for your explanation. a great day, v From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 09:01:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2EC1065674 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:01:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DEC28FC0C for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:01:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Received: from w2003s01.double-l.local (double-l.xs4all.nl [80.126.205.144]) by smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAL91C4a093951; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:01:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:01:10 +0100 Message-ID: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE2B0@w2003s01.double-l.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: ZFS Recovery Tools Thread-Index: AclLtbJeW2PMhhdPTbSku/T55x8nqAAAdT6w References: <02c801c94b40$4b6a2f10$e23e8d30$@za.net> <20081120204756.O16829@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081120222909.K17356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl><139b44430811202326j6eafb93fgde2a55c1564da68f@mail.gmail.com> <20081121094146.P19920@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> From: "Johan Hendriks" To: "Wojciech Puchar" X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: ZFS Recovery Tools X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:01:20 -0000 > What does MAXPHYS mean (yes max raw I/O transfer) and do? A little > bit more specific if you may. how large can be single read from disk. when you say read 2 files in the same time, FreeBSD will readahead at = most=20 MAXPHYS from one file, then from file 2, from file 1 etc. 128kB/s is way too much for todays drives, that can read 1MB within one=20 access time. 128kB/s is way to much , and you set it to 1024, or did you mean way to = low ? Regards, Johan Hendriks No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1795 - Release Date: = 17-11-2008 17:24 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 09:08:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 332031065670 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:08:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521D28FC08 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:08:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAL98VEY021591; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:08:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mAL98Ou3021576; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:08:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:08:24 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Valentin Bud In-Reply-To: <139b44430811210045k1a27cc1an7c0ea7b0cbbce1d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081121100702.V21575@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <02c801c94b40$4b6a2f10$e23e8d30$@za.net> <20081120204756.O16829@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081120222909.K17356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <139b44430811202326j6eafb93fgde2a55c1564da68f@mail.gmail.com> <20081121094146.P19920@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <139b44430811210045k1a27cc1an7c0ea7b0cbbce1d1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Marcel Grandemange , Tsu-Fan Cheng Subject: Re: ZFS Recovery Tools X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:08:38 -0000 >> > Thank you for your explanation. from what i tested 1MB is optimal on modern drives, 2MB doesn't speed up much (if any) but increases latency. use lower values for old drives (<20GB) and low memory (<=64MB) machines From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 09:47:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B3EC106564A for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:47:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from services.ipt.ru (services.ipt.ru [194.62.233.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA9B8FC12 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:47:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from [85.173.16.250] (helo=moosa) by services.ipt.ru with esmtpa (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1L3ScE-000Iv1-Q2 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:47:54 +0300 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200811202208.41220.subbsd@gmail.com> <20081120221701.GA9953@ourbrains.org> From: Boris Samorodov Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:47:33 +0300 In-Reply-To: <20081120221701.GA9953@ourbrains.org> (Dan's message of "Thu\, 20 Nov 2008 17\:17\:01 -0500") Message-ID: <02019674@ipt.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Asus eeepc, Freebsd-head, problem with ath/wifi driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:47:56 -0000 On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:17:01 -0500 Dan wrote: > I have issues with sound - it does not support software jack detection, > so using headphones means the speakers are still on :(. Welcome to freebsd-emulation@ ML. This issue is not very hard imho. WBR -- bsam From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 10:11:21 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA0EB106564A for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:11:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from services.ipt.ru (services.ipt.ru [194.62.233.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7992E8FC1D for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:11:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from [85.173.16.250] (helo=moosa) by services.ipt.ru with esmtpa (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1L3Syu-000JEl-H9 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:11:20 +0300 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200811202208.41220.subbsd@gmail.com> <20081120221701.GA9953@ourbrains.org> <02019674@ipt.ru> From: Boris Samorodov Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:10:58 +0300 In-Reply-To: <02019674@ipt.ru> (Boris Samorodov's message of "Fri\, 21 Nov 2008 12\:47\:33 +0300") Message-ID: <35938269@ipt.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Asus eeepc, Freebsd-head, problem with ath/wifi driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:11:21 -0000 On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:47:33 +0300 Boris Samorodov wrote: > On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:17:01 -0500 Dan wrote: > > I have issues with sound - it does not support software jack detection, > > so using headphones means the speakers are still on :(. > Welcome to freebsd-emulation@ ML. This issue is not very hard imho. Uh, this should be freebsd-multimedia@ ML, sorry. WBR -- bsam From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 10:28:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EDFE1065674 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:28:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from goksin.akdeniz@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B9648FC1D for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:28:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from goksin.akdeniz@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id h3so435500nfh.33 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:28:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:organization:to:subject :date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Rc+hLuyvWuBpGmZsVXwBzYf7ZRtM9FHED3BK4+gIG5U=; b=Vx/GdJka2aALidTXdDRyvRtZiemolum+tGjxBAytzT+TmL4CMiDdYecUvMz5jmEjqq BfND0Y+kXWlytm5ZBAmxPcmpDbmTn9qord/qaZjqOFhW7lE8RiAt4l9iawggUOQD1y5Z xfRSS0FeHPpF3iWK4V1i7ojgdkCT/L7ZFDu+s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:organization:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:message-id:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BmUkv5EwuCmP86UttNyNIYhno0P2ZDe/FLmLfy+JWNVO4CwB5X/sEUzox35N1BwC4S mOSS9Rvyc8y0ubUD3s74CrzSLOePpeB06bv1ThaYm2TYQlHVUWUB6QL1SiWTMpjnEnBg QJVLOEwA4m0bgfCseW8wKjlXhe60cH8qyatGE= Received: by 10.210.30.1 with SMTP id d1mr402953ebd.2.1227261865222; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:04:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.7.4? ([88.229.87.156]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 3sm1034053eyj.41.2008.11.21.02.04.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:04:24 -0800 (PST) From: Goksin Akdeniz Organization: Enixma.org To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:03:25 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <20081121012115.GA68795@thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20081121012115.GA68795@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200811211203.29000.goksin.akdeniz@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1572468.v5Oxba00A4"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: do we have any grammar checkers for FBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:28:32 -0000 --nextPart1572468.v5Oxba00A4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Friday 21 November 2008 01:21:20 Gary Kline wrote: > > If there is one with OOo-3, I haven't been able to build it yet.... > > gary Hello Gary, Spellcheck and dictionary addons are avilable for OOo-3 but can not be=20 installed due to bugs.=20 Goksin Akdeniz =2D-=20 http://www.enixma.org --nextPart1572468.v5Oxba00A4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAkkmo5AACgkQkMt0naY0G+uGlwCg44NMN38xLO3Yb04bxgrqvLic A/YAnj94ict+OzM6zIv75WBWplBs9/Xd =XAt2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1572468.v5Oxba00A4-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 10:49:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EE911065675 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:49:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pwnedomina@gmail.com) Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.239]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E288FC18 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:49:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pwnedomina@gmail.com) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f30so867096qba.35 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:49:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=GGrh1gyF1sCmIeL+cg5PCCEsFIS4yYo7ffcOofe4xeU=; b=k51u+EoYUjQoBkpvbSLzdWx6hh/XCwOEq9ufveTHr5A9XGeIjwxGRyWrp3WSvURKGy xOm4Q8ybGO00GIEFBd9YrsG/ArnkR5TMP9xDf7MPmq+WvJ0uEUafFDS4wIoqbTLdsw09 rm7rk9g8CY0HCk49xUMDBF83x1cjLmwV5M3bw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=TvJGfJMfUOeDVAMHfK0rSDPzjdzyWAZli2l3Gdovbvc90eobHZ6UjxERT8S6KvE/qS 1/SSt3mffN0w8otxDtMMiadN3/dI0aGjnC8ab5fetQNbdD0jO32ESGkCtf9bqfn2k8DZ 5Tix7P1Y6Hz+hm/27/83lHDPKYLwwTmuGvBG0= Received: by 10.210.126.18 with SMTP id y18mr371718ebc.94.1227264567867; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:49:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.101? (bl9-216-131.dsl.telepac.pt [85.242.216.131]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z40sm1423038ikz.20.2008.11.21.02.49.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:49:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4926922C.8050702@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:49:16 +0000 From: pwn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ascii text format X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:49:29 -0000 algouth this is not a freebsd specific text, i need to format some texts under freebsd for they appear in the center of the page when opened in a browser, but i dont want to use HTML for format them, i just want to add tabulation to my *.txt. what software/tool can i use for format my *.txt? there is command on VIM like "set textwidth" but this is not suitable for me. any help i appreciate. i add an example on a temporary host for make sure all understand. (i need to format the text for he appear like the example good.txt) http://one.xthost.info/temphost/good.txt http://one.xthost.info/temphost/bad.txt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 12:16:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E19106564A for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:16:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C8898FC17 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:16:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mALCGjll001825; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:16:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mALBaktP001452; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:36:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:36:46 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Fbsd1 In-Reply-To: <49264FE3.20809@a1poweruser.com> Message-ID: <20081121123643.U1450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <49264FE3.20809@a1poweruser.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Using diff X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:16:56 -0000 add -u On Fri, 21 Nov 2008, Fbsd1 wrote: > Trying to use diff program to create a patch. > Output gos to console and does not create the patch file. > > If it do diff original updated > patch.file > > The patch.file does not look like a normal patch file. > > What am I doing wrong here? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 12:16:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F18C1065677 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:16:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C7B48FC16 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:16:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mALCGjln001825; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:16:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mALBa6DD001451; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:36:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:36:06 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Johan Hendriks In-Reply-To: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE2B0@w2003s01.double-l.local> Message-ID: <20081121123558.K1450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <02c801c94b40$4b6a2f10$e23e8d30$@za.net> <20081120204756.O16829@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081120222909.K17356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl><139b44430811202326j6eafb93fgde2a55c1564da68f@mail.gmail.com> <20081121094146.P19920@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE2B0@w2003s01.double-l.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: ZFS Recovery Tools X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:16:56 -0000 > > when you say read 2 files in the same time, FreeBSD will readahead at most > MAXPHYS from one file, then from file 2, from file 1 etc. > > 128kB/s is way too much for todays drives, that can read 1MB within one > access time. > > 128kB/s is way to much , and you set it to 1024, or did you mean way to low ? i meant too little. sorry. 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([77.244.112.201]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm1880342eyc.58.2008.11.21.04.40.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:40:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4926AC44.7090805@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:40:36 +0400 From: anti User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080925) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Freebsd 7.0 - asterisk 1.4 install problem (libslang-1.4.9 conflicts with installed package(s):,libslang2-2.1.4 ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:05:15 -0000 OS: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p5 (i386) Asterisk: 1.4.21.2_5 I dont wanna install old version asterisk ( /usr/ports/net/asterisk12). ########################################################## # pwd /usr/ports/net/asterisk # make ===> Vulnerability check disabled, database not found ===> Found saved configuration for asterisk-1.4.21.2_4 ===> Extracting for asterisk-1.4.21.2_5 => MD5 Checksum OK for asterisk-1.4.21.2.tar.gz. => SHA256 Checksum OK for asterisk-1.4.21.2.tar.gz. => MD5 Checksum OK for asterisk-1.4.21.1-codec-negotiation-20080715.diff.gz. => SHA256 Checksum OK for asterisk-1.4.21.1-codec-negotiation-20080715.diff.gz. /bin/mkdir -p /usr/ports/net/asterisk/work/asterisk-1.4.21.2/codecs/ilbc /usr/bin/find /usr/ports/net/asterisk/work/asterisk-1.4.21.2 -name '*.d' -delete ===> Patching for asterisk-1.4.21.2_5 ===> Applying distribution patches for asterisk-1.4.21.2_5 ===> Applying extra patch /usr/ports/net/asterisk/files/ilbc_enable.diff ===> Applying extra patch /usr/ports/net/asterisk/files/codecnego-patch-Makefile ===> Applying extra patch /usr/ports/net/asterisk/files/dtmf_debug.diff ===> Applying extra patch /usr/ports/net/asterisk/files/feature_disconnect.diff ===> Applying extra patch /usr/ports/net/asterisk/files/sip_force_callid.diff ===> Applying extra patch /usr/ports/net/asterisk/files/sip_set_auth.diff ===> Applying extra patch /usr/ports/net/asterisk/files/rtp_force_dtmf-codecnego.diff ===> Applying FreeBSD patches for asterisk-1.4.21.2_5 /usr/bin/sed -i.bak -e 's|/var/lib|/usr/local/share|g' /usr/ports/net/asterisk/work/asterisk-1.4.21.2/configs/musiconhold.conf.sample ===> asterisk-1.4.21.2_5 depends on executable: mpg123 - found ===> asterisk-1.4.21.2_5 depends on executable: gmake - found ===> asterisk-1.4.21.2_5 depends on executable: bison - found ===> asterisk-1.4.21.2_5 depends on shared library: speex.1 - found ===> asterisk-1.4.21.2_5 depends on shared library: newt.51 - not found ===> Verifying install for newt.51 in /usr/ports/devel/newt ===> newt-0.51.0_7 depends on shared library: slang.1 - not found ===> Verifying install for slang.1 in /usr/ports/devel/libslang ===> Installing for libslang-1.4.9 ===> libslang-1.4.9 conflicts with installed package(s): libslang2-2.1.4 They install files into the same place. Please remove them first with pkg_delete(1). *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/libslang. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/newt. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/net/asterisk. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/net/asterisk. ############################################################### # whereis libslang libslang: /usr/ports/devel/libslang # cd /usr/ports/devel/libslang # make # make install ===> Installing for libslang-1.4.9 ===> libslang-1.4.9 conflicts with installed package(s): libslang2-2.1.4 They install files into the same place. Please remove them first with pkg_delete(1). *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/libslang. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/libslang. ############################################ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 13:36:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DC8E1065672 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:36:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7E348FC0C for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:36:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-26-78.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.26.78]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 516FB507A3; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:36:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mALDahUD014924; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:36:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:36:43 +0100 From: Polytropon To: pwn Message-Id: <20081121143643.b732042a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4926922C.8050702@gmail.com> References: <4926922C.8050702@gmail.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ascii text format X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:36:49 -0000 On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:49:16 +0000, pwn wrote: > what software/tool can i use for format my *.txt? there is command on > VIM like "set textwidth" but this is not suitable for me. any help i > appreciate. Judging from your example text, what you're searching for is a tool to format your text in paragraph mode (block mode) using spaces between the words. I'm not sure if there's already a tool on FreeBSD that does the trick, but you can surely write a simple awk script to do it. I'd suggest something like this: Break each input line into words using the space character as separator. Then, iterate over these words and put spaces after each word; repeat this until you've reached the desired text width. This should be relatively easy to accomplish. Furthermore, you can add an empty string before each output line in order to create a left margin. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 13:39:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E91CB1065670 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:39:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za) Received: from hermes.hst.org.za (onix.hst.org.za [209.203.2.133]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D078FC14 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:39:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za) Received: from sysadmin.hst.org.za (sysadmin.int.dbn.hst.org.za [10.1.1.20]) (authenticated bits=0) by hermes.hst.org.za (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mALDSKDL046641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:28:21 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za) From: Jonathan McKeown Organization: Health Systems Trust To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:39:28 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <4926922C.8050702@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4926922C.8050702@gmail.com> X-Face: $@VrUx^RHy/}yu]jKf/<4T%/d|F+$j-Ol2"2J$q+%OK1]&/G_S9(=?utf-8?q?HkaQ*=60!=3FYOK=3FY!=27M=60C=0A=09aP=5C9nVPF8Q=7DCilHH8l=3B=7E!4?= =?utf-8?q?2HK6=273lg4J=7Daz?=@1Dqqh:J]M^"YPn*2IWrZON$1+G?oX3@ =?utf-8?q?k=230=0A=0954XDRg=3DYn=5FF-etwot4U=24b?=dTS{i X-Spam-Score: -1.499 () ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00,URIBL_BLACK,URIBL_PH_SURBL X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.61 on 209.203.2.133 Subject: Re: ascii text format X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:39:28 -0000 On Friday 21 November 2008 12:49:16 pwn wrote: > algouth this is not a freebsd specific text, i need to format some texts > under freebsd for they appear in the center of the page when opened in a > browser, but i dont want to use HTML for format them, i just want to add > tabulation to my *.txt. > what software/tool can i use for format my *.txt? there is command on > VIM like "set textwidth" but this is not suitable for me. any help i > appreciate. > i add an example on a temporary host for make sure all understand. > (i need to format the text for he appear like the example good.txt) > http://one.xthost.info/temphost/good.txt > http://one.xthost.info/temphost/bad.txt You seem to be fighting against your tools rather than working with them - the browser will strip out your whitespace and reflow your text anyway unless you prevent it somehow (
 tags?) so you might be better off just using 
HTML/CSS to control the format.

However, you could look at various tools for processing text, depending 
exactly what you're trying to do: the manpages for fmt, groff, and pr might 
all offer some ideas.

Jonathan

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At 02:05 PM 11/20/2008, Chris Pratt wrote:

>On Nov 20, 2008, at 7:21 AM, David Horn wrote:
>
>>On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 7:07 AM, Derek Ragona
>>>>
>>>>No error message, it just stopped writing at 1 Gb.  I was doing
>>>>this using
>>>>scp.
>>>
>>>Whoa, hopefully you just made a few typos here, or we are going down
>>>the wrong path of investigation.
>>>
>>>Did you really mean to say scp or cp ?
>>>      scp(1)                   - secure copy (remote file copy
>>>program)
>>>      cp(1)                    - copy files
>>>
>>>...
>>What ssh version is running on both of these "other" systems ?
>>What OS are both of these other systems ?
>>
>>>
>>>So it looks to me like there is some issue with the scp that is
>>>within
>>>FreeBSD i386 7.
>>
>>As per my previous message, I still suggest running single variable
>>tests to make sure that you know what is causing the failure, but if
>>you just want to jump to a possible solution, you can try updating ssh
>>to the latest in the ports tree (5.0p1).
>>
>>If you have the FreeBSD ports collection installed and updated using
>>portsnap(8) or csup(1) , just do:
>>
>>cd /usr/ports/security/openssh-portable
>>make install
>>
>>Otherwise, install / update your ports collection using portsnap(8)
>>(fetch update or fetch extract) first, then install openssh-portable.
>>
>>Good Luck.
>>
>>---Dave
>
>I apologize in advance if this has nothing to do with this. I'd ignored
>this thread completely since it had "SMB" in the subject. Today I
>noticed the comments shown above that it was apparently actually
>related to ssh (scp). The fired a synapse of a recent session failure
>I was having after updating a server to 7.0 that normally accrues
>about a gig of changes a day. My backup server was running 5.5
>and rsyncing the diffs each day. After the upgrade of the application
>server, the 5.5 client began to hang it's rsync session every day. I
>updated
>the 5.5 server to 7.0 (which OBTW replaced the ssh suite) and the
>problem disappeared. I didn't see in the thread what the actual ssh
>client OS or rev was but perhaps the client is downrev and there is an
>issue there. I did no research to figure out why, having my backup
>server so far downrevved made it's upgrade my first potshot and it
>worked.

Chris,

Thanks for the additional input.  I am going to try updating openssh from 
the ports as this appears to be an issue with scp.

         -Derek

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Allthough others have already given you good advice, I'd like to
add that I'm running here at a similar setting, but without any
of these "Windows". :-)

First of all, I made my kernel capable; significant parts:

	# Firewall, NAT
	options         DUMMYNET
	options         IPFIREWALL
	options         IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT
	options         IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE
	options         IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT=500
	options         IPFILTER
	options         IPDIVERT

	# PPPoE: netgraph(4) system
	options         NETGRAPH
	options         NETGRAPH_ETHER
	options         NETGRAPH_SOCKET
	options         NETGRAPH_PPPOE

If you don't want to compile a custom kernel, it's no problem. As
far as I know, the required kernel modules will be loaded automatically.

My setting includes two network interfaces, just like yours.
Interface xl0 + tun0 is the PPPoE connection to the outside, while
interface rl0 is the connection to the (slow) switch where the "clients"
are connected.

Configuration in /etc/rc.conf goes this way:

	ifconfig_xl0="inet 192.168.0.1  netmask 0xffffff00"
	ifconfig_rl0="inet 192.168.1.1  netmask 0xffffff00  media 10baseT/UTP"
	firewall_enable="YES"
	firewall_type="/etc/ipfw.conf"
	gateway_enable="YES"
	named_enable="YES"
	natd_enable="YES"
	natd_interface="xl0"
	ppp_enable="YES"
	ppp_profile="mydslprovider"
	ppp_mode="ddial"
	ppp_nat="YES"

The connection is established via /etc/ppp/ppp.conf settings.
Then I use a DHCP server to assign IPs to the "clients" instead
of giving them fixed ones. In fact, they are fixed because I set
up isc-dhcpd3-server (from ports) to assign IPs according to the
respective MAC adresses. :-)

Important note to IPFW settings: Have the line

	add divert natd ip      from any to any         via     xl0

in your /etc/ipfw.conf.

If you need to, you can add flags for natd in order to have a
certain kind of port or address redirection, such as

	natd_flags="-redirect_port tcp 192.168.1.5:23 6666"

or

	natd_flags="-redirect_address 192.168.1.2 123.456.789.123 \
		    -redirect_address 192.168.1.5 123.456.789.123"

In any case, go and check your "Windows" the usual way. Don't 
forget to do it, instead you'll end up searching for an error
on the correctly working FreeBSD installation. :-)

Check if the "Windows" has got the correct IP, if the name server
settings are correct and if you can (1st) ping the gateway
machine and (2nd) something outside the gateway machine.



-- 
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>From Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...

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I'm running 7.0-RELEASE-i386 on Jetway's NC92-N230 mainboard. The board has
one integrated RTL8168/8111 gigabit NIC as well as an expansion board with
three RTL8168/8111 NICs. 

none2@pci0:1:0:0:       class=0x020000 card=0x816810ec chip=0x816810ec
rev=0x02 hdr=0x00
    vendor     = 'Realtek Semiconductor'
    device     = 'RTL8168/8111 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC'
    class      = network
    subclass   = ethernet
re0@pci0:2:4:0: class=0x020000 card=0x10ec16f3 chip=0x816710ec rev=0x10
hdr=0x00
    vendor     = 'Realtek Semiconductor'
    device     = 'RTL8169/8110 Family Gigabit Ethernet NIC'
    class      = network
    subclass   = ethernet
re1@pci0:2:6:0: class=0x020000 card=0x10ec16f3 chip=0x816710ec rev=0x10
hdr=0x00
    vendor     = 'Realtek Semiconductor'
    device     = 'RTL8169/8110 Family Gigabit Ethernet NIC'
    class      = network
    subclass   = ethernet
re2@pci0:2:7:0: class=0x020000 card=0x10ec16f3 chip=0x816710ec rev=0x10
hdr=0x00
    vendor     = 'Realtek Semiconductor'
    device     = 'RTL8169/8110 Family Gigabit Ethernet NIC'
    class      = network
    subclass   = ethernet 


Why would the three NICs work while the onboard NIC does not? I would
imagine the same driver services both controllers. Do I need to assign an
interface to the device somehow?

Thank you!
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I recently upgraded from 5.4 to 7.0 (to 6.3 first and then to 7.0) and now
there are some locale problems this server. I have same I had earlier on 5.=
4
login.conf with settings:

        :charset=3Diso-8859-15:\
        :lang=3Dfi_FI.ISO8859-15:

for all users. And locale command says:

LANG=3Dfi_FI.ISO8859-15
LC_CTYPE=3D"fi_FI.ISO8859-15"
LC_COLLATE=3D"fi_FI.ISO8859-15"
LC_TIME=3D"fi_FI.ISO8859-15"
LC_NUMERIC=3D"fi_FI.ISO8859-15"
LC_MONETARY=3D"fi_FI.ISO8859-15"
LC_MESSAGES=3D"fi_FI.ISO8859-15"
LC_ALL=3D

Finnish characters (=E4=F6) doesn't work on terminal (they give nothing), b=
ut
them works on some softwares like nano and vi. Yet them doesn't work on som=
e
other programs. Like weechat (ircclient that some users use).

And perl started saying this every time it's run:

perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
        LC_ALL =3D (unset),
        LANG =3D "en_US.ISO8859-15"
    are supported and installed on your system.
perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").

So. What might have been changed there on upgrade procedure?

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Hello all

We are considering using an application that uses FreeBSD web servers in
front of Windows file servers. How reliable/scalable is the kernel SMB
module?


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Jonathan McKeown wrote:
> On Friday 21 November 2008 12:49:16 pwn wrote:
>   
>> algouth this is not a freebsd specific text, i need to format some texts
>> under freebsd for they appear in the center of the page when opened in a
>> browser, but i dont want to use HTML for format them, i just want to add
>> tabulation to my *.txt.
>> what software/tool can i use for format my *.txt? there is command on
>> VIM like "set textwidth" but this is not suitable for me. any help i
>> appreciate.
>> i add an example on a temporary host for make sure all understand.
>> (i need to format the text for he appear like the example good.txt)
>> http://one.xthost.info/temphost/good.txt
>> http://one.xthost.info/temphost/bad.txt
>>     
>
> You seem to be fighting against your tools rather than working with them - the 
> browser will strip out your whitespace and reflow your text anyway unless you 
> prevent it somehow (
 tags?) so you might be better off just using 
> HTML/CSS to control the format.
>
> However, you could look at various tools for processing text, depending 
> exactly what you're trying to do: the manpages for fmt, groff, and pr might 
> all offer some ideas.
>
> Jonathan
>   


yes, i want that the text appears displayed such as manpages like, how 
can i accomplish this task?

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On Friday 21 November 2008 16:53:09 pwn wrote:
> Jonathan McKeown wrote:
> > On Friday 21 November 2008 12:49:16 pwn wrote:
> >> algouth this is not a freebsd specific text, i need to format some texts
> >> under freebsd for they appear in the center of the page when opened in a
> >> browser, but i dont want to use HTML for format them, i just want to add
> >> tabulation to my *.txt.
> >> what software/tool can i use for format my *.txt? there is command on
> >> VIM like "set textwidth" but this is not suitable for me. any help i
> >> appreciate.
> >> i add an example on a temporary host for make sure all understand.
> >> (i need to format the text for he appear like the example good.txt)
> >> http://one.xthost.info/temphost/good.txt
> >> http://one.xthost.info/temphost/bad.txt
> >
> > You seem to be fighting against your tools rather than working with them
> > - the browser will strip out your whitespace and reflow your text anyway
> > unless you prevent it somehow (
 tags?) so you might be better off
> > just using HTML/CSS to control the format.
> >
> > However, you could look at various tools for processing text, depending
> > exactly what you're trying to do: the manpages for fmt, groff, and pr
> > might all offer some ideas.
> >
> > Jonathan
>
> yes, i want that the text appears displayed such as manpages like, how
> can i accomplish this task?


Manpages use advanced formatting codes. You can achieve some result, by:

fmt -c 70 80 bad.txt

But anything further you will have to edit the text. Maybe you can wrap some 
formatting codes around the text for the tbl(1) program. But I agree with 
Jonathan - it's easier to reformat the text using HTML code and some of that 
can be done with a script/parser, providing the text uses some degree of 
consistency.
-- 
Mel

Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules
    and never get to the software part.

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On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:49:16 +0000, pwn  wrote:
> algouth this is not a freebsd specific text, i need to format some texts
> under freebsd for they appear in the center of the page when opened in a
> browser, but i dont want to use HTML for format them, i just want to add
> tabulation to my *.txt.
> what software/tool can i use for format my *.txt? there is command on
> VIM like "set textwidth" but this is not suitable for me. any help i
> appreciate.
>
> i add an example on a temporary host for make sure all understand.
> (i need to format the text for he appear like the example good.txt)
>
> http://one.xthost.info/temphost/good.txt
> http://one.xthost.info/temphost/bad.txt

It looks like you want groff(1) (or some other typesetting system that
can generate plain text output, like GNU Texinfo).

The groff utility and its associated formatting toolchain is relatively
easy to learn and it can produce output like:

,-----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|
|
|                          Some Title
|
|
|                          A. U. Thor
|
|                        13 Friday St.
|                        Someplace (SP)
|
|
|                           ABSTRACT
|
|           Dreaming  of space-flight, and predicting its
|      future, have always been favorite pastimes of sci-
|      ence fiction. In my first science column for F&SF,
|      I can't resist the urge to  contribute  a  bit  to
|      this grand tradition.
|
|           A  science-fiction  writer in 1991 has a pro-
|      found advantage over the genre's pioneers.   Nowa-
|      days,  space-exploration  has  a past as well as a
|      future.  ``The conquest of space'' can  be  judged
|      today,  not  just  by  dreams,  but by a real-life
|      track record.
|
|
| 1.  Introduction
|
|      Here's the main text.
|
| 2.  Getting Started
|
|      This is the first paragraph of a new section.  The sec-
| tion titles are automatically indented, numbered and format-
| ted with the default style of ``numbered  headers''  by  the
| groff_ms(7) macros themselves.
|
|      Note  how  the  first  line  of  each paragraph is also
| indented a bit to the right.  This is the default  style  of
| groff_ms(7)  output,  but  you can easily tune and tweak the
| defaults to match pretty much any style you prefer.
|
|
`-----------------------------------------------------------------------

from relatively easy to prepare input text files.  The text shown above
has been produced by the following ``document source'', written in the
style expected by the groff_ms(7) formatting macros:

    .TL
    Some Title
    .AU
    A.\ U.\ Thor
    .sp 1
    .AI
    13 Friday St.
    Someplace (SP)
    .AB
    Dreaming of space-flight, and predicting its future, have always been
    favorite pastimes of science fiction. In my first science column for
    .I F&SF ,
    I can't resist the urge to contribute a bit to this grand tradition.
    .PP
    A science-fiction writer in 1991 has a profound advantage over the
    genre's pioneers.  Nowadays, space-exploration has a past as well as a
    future.  ``The conquest of space'' can be judged today, not just by
    dreams, but by a real-life track record.
    .AE
    .\" ===================================================================
    .\" This is a comment at the start of a new section.
    .\" ===================================================================
    .ds RH Introduction
    .NH
    Introduction
    .PP
    Here's the main text.
    .\" ===================================================================
    .\" This is a comment at the start of a new section.
    .\" ===================================================================
    .ds RH Getting Started
    .NH
    Getting Started
    .PP
    This is the first paragraph of a new section.
    The section titles are automatically indented, numbered and formatted
    with the default style of ``numbered headers'' by the
    .B groff_ms(7)
    macros themselves.
    .PP
    Note how the first line of each paragraph is also indented a bit to the
    right.  This is the default style of groff_ms(7) output, but you can
    easily tune and tweak the defaults to match pretty much any style you
    prefer.

If this looks interesting, you can find a *lot* of information about
groff and its macro packages at the following places:

 1. In the `Info manual' of groff itself.  This is already installed as
    part of your base system, and you can start reading it by typing:

      % info groff

 2. At the web page of groff itself:

      http://www.gnu.org/software/groff/#documentation

 3. At the troff.org pages:

      http://troff.org/

    These pages are about groff's ancestor: the `troff' formatter.  They
    include various links about online troff/groff resources.


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On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:53:09 +0000, pwn  wrote:
> yes, i want that the text appears displayed such as manpages like, how
> can i accomplish this task?

The manpages are written in groff.  More specifically, they are written
in a format that may be formatted by the `mdoc' macros of groff; the set
of groff macros described in the groff_mdoc(7) manpage.

See my other post about using groff and a specially formatted `input
file' to produce text output similar to the manpage look & feel :)

The `mdoc' macro package is just _one_ of the available sets of macros
for formatting text with groff.  Check out the groff wiki at

    http://www.port.de/cgi-bin/groff/GroffMacroPackages

for information about the standard macro packages included with groff.

The `extras' page at

    http://www.port.de/cgi-bin/groff/GroffExtras

has pointers to other, non-standard macro packages.  This may be a bit
interesting too.


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This has been solved. I just had to upgrade and/or reinstall many of our
ports...

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 4:28 PM, pepe  wrote:

> I recently upgraded from 5.4 to 7.0 (to 6.3 first and then to 7.0) and no=
w
> there are some locale problems this server. I have same I had earlier on =
5.4
> login.conf with settings:
>
>         :charset=3Diso-8859-15:\
>         :lang=3Dfi_FI.ISO8859-15:
>
> for all users. And locale command says:
>
> LANG=3Dfi_FI.ISO8859-15
> LC_CTYPE=3D"fi_FI.ISO8859-15"
> LC_COLLATE=3D"fi_FI.ISO8859-15"
> LC_TIME=3D"fi_FI.ISO8859-15"
> LC_NUMERIC=3D"fi_FI.ISO8859-15"
> LC_MONETARY=3D"fi_FI.ISO8859-15"
> LC_MESSAGES=3D"fi_FI.ISO8859-15"
> LC_ALL=3D
>
> Finnish characters (=E4=F6) doesn't work on terminal (they give nothing),=
 but
> them works on some softwares like nano and vi. Yet them doesn't work on s=
ome
> other programs. Like weechat (ircclient that some users use).
>
> And perl started saying this every time it's run:
>
> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
>         LC_ALL =3D (unset),
>         LANG =3D "en_US.ISO8859-15"
>     are supported and installed on your system.
> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
>
> So. What might have been changed there on upgrade procedure?
>
> --
> pepe
>



--=20
pepe

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> We are considering using an application that uses FreeBSD web servers in
> front of Windows file servers. How reliable/scalable is the kernel SMB
> module?
no idea. it worked many times when i wanted to fetch few files from 
windows. but i don't think anyone really cares very much about it being 
very well tested, bug free and high performance (i may be wrong here).

it's not the way unix is used in normal cases :) (reverse is true)

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El día Friday, November 21, 2008 a las 03:53:09PM +0000, pwn escribió:

> Jonathan McKeown wrote:
> >On Friday 21 November 2008 12:49:16 pwn wrote:
> >  
> >>algouth this is not a freebsd specific text, i need to format some texts
> >>under freebsd for they appear in the center of the page when opened in a
> >>browser, but i dont want to use HTML for format them, i just want to add
> >>tabulation to my *.txt.
> >>what software/tool can i use for format my *.txt? there is command on
> >>VIM like "set textwidth" but this is not suitable for me. any help i
> >>appreciate.
> >>i add an example on a temporary host for make sure all understand.
> >>(i need to format the text for he appear like the example good.txt)
> >>http://one.xthost.info/temphost/good.txt
> >>http://one.xthost.info/temphost/bad.txt
> >>    
> >
> >You seem to be fighting against your tools rather than working with them - 
> >the browser will strip out your whitespace and reflow your text anyway 
> >unless you prevent it somehow (
 tags?) so you might be better off 
> >just using HTML/CSS to control the format.
> >
> >However, you could look at various tools for processing text, depending 
> >exactly what you're trying to do: the manpages for fmt, groff, and pr 
> >might all offer some ideas.
> >
> >Jonathan
> >  
> 
> 
> yes, i want that the text appears displayed such as manpages like, how 
> can i accomplish this task?

what about:

$ groff -Tascii < bad.txt

SOME TITLE



Dreaming  of space-flight, and predicting its future, have always
been favorite pastimes of science fiction. In  my  first  science
column  for  F&SF, I can't resist the urge to contribute a bit to
this grand tradition.

A science-fiction writer in 1991 has a  profound  advantage  over
the  genre's  pioneers. Nowadays, space-exploration has a past as
well as a future. "The conquest of space" can  be  judged  today,
not just by dreams, but by a real-life track record.


and some more tweakings after that with sed, ...

	matthias

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All:

Has anyone experience a PXE boot problem on amd64 (Dell PowerEdge 850,
1850, DRAC4, DRAC5) where kernel dmesg output is suppressed on VGA
Console?

I've tried kernels, mfsroot, and pxeboot from 6.4-RC2, 6.3-PLX, 7.1-B2
builds.

I've verified stock /boot/device.hints, /defaults/loader.conf,
and /boot/loader.conf are in place on my NFS export.

Here's a slightly ambiguous screenshot:
  http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~seklecki/pxe_lock.jpg


  Note: Its hard to tell, but the spindle has already become a block
        cursor.

We used to see this in early 6.x days and assumed it was a bum bPXE
configuration on the server-side; eventually mfsroot would get loaded
and sysinstall(8) welcome would be the first thing displayed after the
2nd stage boot loader.

Breaking out of the loader reveals: 
  console="vidconsole"

Very very strange...

I'm going to have a look at tcpdump(8) on NFS reads to my export and
determine if it is indeed actually reading loader.conf(5).

However, the system-wide defaults w/o loader.conf + loader.rc +
boot.conf shouldn't prohibit kernel VGA console output.

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On Fri, Nov 21, 2008, Goksin Akdeniz wrote:
>On Friday 21 November 2008 01:21:20 Gary Kline wrote:
>>
>> 	If there is one with OOo-3, I haven't been able to build it yet....
>>
>> 	gary
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>Spellcheck and dictionary addons are avilable for OOo-3 but can not be 
>installed due to bugs. 

Eons ago I used ``style'' and ``diction'' which were from the
Bell Labs *roff text processing that were available on Xenix.  I
found them quite useful, but haven't seen them in years.

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> > We are considering using an application that uses FreeBSD web servers
> in
> > front of Windows file servers. How reliable/scalable is the kernel
> SMB
> > module?
> no idea. it worked many times when i wanted to fetch few files from
> windows. but i don't think anyone really cares very much about it being
> very well tested, bug free and high performance (i may be wrong here).

I think you are. We should care about a KERNEL module being bug free and
high performance. If not, hey why not just use DOS.



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This is the week for strange problems...

I use rsync to copy tinydns data files to backup name servers. This  
has been working for about a year with no problem. Suddenly, I am  
getting odd errors:

/usr/local/bin/rsync -az -e 'ssh ' data.cdb admin@qu.example.com:/usr/ 
local/etc/tinydns/root/data.cdb
channel 1: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed

The rsync does work. That is, the file is copied over. So this is  
actually a warning, I guess.

On the other server, the one the file is being copied TO, the  
following is printed in /var/log/auth.log

Nov 21 12:43:38 qu sshd[4604]: Address 67.111.0.194 maps to  
on.example.com, but this does not map back to the address - POSSIBLE  
BREAK-IN ATTEMPT!
Nov 21 12:43:38 qu sshd[4604]: Accepted publickey for root from  
67.111.0.194 port 55777 ssh2

I'm guessing this is some sort of DNS mis-match, but I don't quite  
grasp what the problem could be.

Again, this did work without error or warning until recently.  
Something has changed, but not the DNS records.

I'm stumped. Any ideas much appreciated. (I have changed the  
addresses in the examples above to protect the innocent (me!)

-- John


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pwn escribi=F3:
> algouth this is not a freebsd specific text, i need to format some text=
s=20
> under freebsd for they appear in the center of the page when opened in =
a=20
> browser, but i dont want to use HTML for format them, i just want to ad=
d=20
> tabulation to my *.txt.
> what software/tool can i use for format my *.txt? there is command on=20
> VIM like "set textwidth" but this is not suitable for me. any help i=20
> appreciate.
> i add an example on a temporary host for make sure all understand.
> (i need to format the text for he appear like the example good.txt)
> http://one.xthost.info/temphost/good.txt
> http://one.xthost.info/temphost/bad.txt
 > [SNIP]

Well, try par, it's a port, use portinstall, pkg_add or another tool
to install it:
http://cvsweb.freebsd.org/ports/textproc/par

I was using it with vim and mutt to format mail some years ago ;)

Best regards,
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* Bill Campbell  [2008-11-21 09:25:32 -0800]:

>Eons ago I used ``style'' and ``diction'' which were from the Bell Labs
>*roff text processing that were available on Xenix.  I found them quite
>useful, but haven't seen them in years.

The FreeBSD port of GNU diction and style is at /usr/ports/misc/diction.

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On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:03:25PM +0000, Goksin Akdeniz wrote:
> On Friday 21 November 2008 01:21:20 Gary Kline wrote:
> >
> > 	If there is one with OOo-3, I haven't been able to build it yet....
> >
> > 	gary
> 
> Hello Gary,
> 
> Spellcheck and dictionary addons are avilable for OOo-3 but can not be 
> installed due to bugs. 


	thanks for the datapoint.  good to know these tools are en-route.  
	i'm working on some ye-olden texts that need updating to 21st century
	english.  ....

	gary


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On Nov 21, 2008, at 12:50 PM, John Almberg wrote:

> This is the week for strange problems...
>
> I use rsync to copy tinydns data files to backup name servers. This  
> has been working for about a year with no problem. Suddenly, I am  
> getting odd errors:
>
> /usr/local/bin/rsync -az -e 'ssh ' data.cdb admin@qu.example.com:/ 
> usr/local/etc/tinydns/root/data.cdb
> channel 1: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed
>
> The rsync does work. That is, the file is copied over. So this is  
> actually a warning, I guess.
>
> On the other server, the one the file is being copied TO, the  
> following is printed in /var/log/auth.log
>
> Nov 21 12:43:38 qu sshd[4604]: Address 67.111.0.194 maps to  
> on.example.com, but this does not map back to the address -  
> POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT!
> Nov 21 12:43:38 qu sshd[4604]: Accepted publickey for root from  
> 67.111.0.194 port 55777 ssh2
>
> I'm guessing this is some sort of DNS mis-match, but I don't quite  
> grasp what the problem could be.


Ahhhh... a reverse DNS problem!

Sorry for the dumb question, but it's amazingly helpful to just write  
down the question clear enough for the group. It frequently clarifies  
the problem to the point where the answer becomes obvious, even to a  
newbie like me.

DNS had been delegated to this server, but now that seems to be no  
longer working, so the reverse DNS look up is all wrong. That makes  
sense... an external change by the colo guys must have triggered this.

Will get on to them, and that should short this problem out.

-- John



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On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 09:25:32AM -0800, Bill Campbell wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008, Goksin Akdeniz wrote:
> >On Friday 21 November 2008 01:21:20 Gary Kline wrote:
> >>
> >> 	If there is one with OOo-3, I haven't been able to build it yet....
> >>
> >> 	gary
> >
> >Hello Gary,
> >
> >Spellcheck and dictionary addons are avilable for OOo-3 but can not be 
> >installed due to bugs. 
> 
> Eons ago I used ``style'' and ``diction'' which were from the
> Bell Labs *roff text processing that were available on Xenix.  I
> found them quite useful, but haven't seen them in years.
> 


	hmmm!  yeah, i probably have these that i swiped from SVR2 [shhh-h]
	in 1986-7.  i never used the roff stuff except in in idiot-mode, but i do
	remember that joe <> came up with the tool for running-off
	man pages.

	gary

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On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 10:07:53AM -0800, Charlie Kester wrote:
> * Bill Campbell  [2008-11-21 09:25:32 -0800]:
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> >Eons ago I used ``style'' and ``diction'' which were from the Bell Labs
> >*roff text processing that were available on Xenix.  I found them quite
> >useful, but haven't seen them in years.
> 
> The FreeBSD port of GNU diction and style is at /usr/ports/misc/diction.


	(!!) great to hear that Ma Bell/ATT didn't lock this stuff away for 90+
	years under a copyright.  

	be interesting to see what style[123] does to my by-hand transliterations.


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> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:03:25PM +0000, Goksin Akdeniz wrote:
>> On Friday 21 November 2008 01:21:20 Gary Kline wrote:
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>> > 	If there is one with OOo-3, I haven't been able to build it yet....
>> >
>> > 	gary
>> 
>> Hello Gary,
>> 
>> Spellcheck and dictionary addons are avilable for OOo-3 but can not be 
>> installed due to bugs. 
>
>
> 	thanks for the datapoint.  good to know these tools are en-route.  
> 	i'm working on some ye-olden texts that need updating to 21st century
> 	english.  ....

They aren't really "en route".  They are here, and they're working for me.
The dictionaries are no longer installed with OpenOffice by default -- as
I understand it, this is because there are now so many different languages
that would need to be included.

The documentation I used was at:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Dictionaries

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I am trying to add a IPFW rule to forward traffic but I keep getting  
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I am trying to add looks like this:

ipfw add 600 fwd 192.169.2.3, 6000 tcp from 192.169.2.3 to any 80

I do have IP Forwarding enabled.  Any ideas what I am doing wrong?

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Greetings,
I tried to install FreeBSD 7.0 on an old server earlier today and ran in to
a number of issues related to slicing and labeling the disk using fdisk.
The drive in the machine is a 40GB Seagate Barracude (ST34001A) installed as
a Secondary Master on the IDE bus using LBA.
The BIOS reports that the drive has 16 sectors pr block, but little else.

When accessing fdisk during install, fdisk complains that the disk geometry
is invalid and sets it to the default geometry for 40GB:
Cylinders: 4865
Heads: 255
Sectors: 63
I've tried with the following configuration based on what was reported by
the BIOS:
Cylinders: 19150
Heads: 255
Sectors: 16
Looking in the manual:
http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/manuals/ata/cuda7200pm.pdf, Seagate is
specifying the following logical characteristic:
Cylinders: 16383
Read / Write heads: 16
Sectors pr track: 63
Which of these settings should be the correct one for the fdisk geometry?

Additionally I encountered problems during installation if splitting the
disk into more than 4 slices. This would cause the following error to be
thrown during prior to the install files being copied (when sysinstall was
executing the newfs commands):
"Error mounting /mnt/dev/X on /mnt/usr. No such file or directory"
Using only 4 slices seems to have solved this error, however I'd like the
disk layout to use 5 slices as follows:
/ = 512MB
swap = 2048MB (the machine has 1024MB RAM)
/tmp = 512MB
/var = 2048MB
/usr = whatever remains
I noticed that when having 5 slices, the last slice (/usr) would be named X
rather than ad2s5 as I'd expect (the drive was detected as ad2).
Is this behaviour related to the error in any way?
Also, is the above disk layout good for a server intended to run both a web
server (Apache) and a database server (PostGreSQL) ?

Finally after installation (using only 4 slices) the system will only boot
if the FreeBSD boot manager is used.
This in turn causes a 4 menu options, all of them named "FreeBSD" to appear
during startup despite only the / slice having been set as bootable in fdisk
which appears to be indicated by an "A" in the flag column.
Selecting the first menu item by pressing F1 will make the system boot as
expected.
It seems rather silly though to use a boot manager when FreeBSD is the only
operating system that is installed (and ever will be installed) on the
machine.
If the FreeBSD boot manager is not used however and only the MBR is set
during installation, the system will fail at startup with error "Invalid
Partition Table".
Is this because the harddrive is installed as the Secondary Master on the
IDE bus?

Appreciate any input on this

Cheers
Jona

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On Fri, Nov 21, 2008, Charlie Kester wrote:
> * Bill Campbell  [2008-11-21 09:25:32 -0800]:
>
>> Eons ago I used ``style'' and ``diction'' which were from the Bell Labs
>> *roff text processing that were available on Xenix.  I found them quite
>> useful, but haven't seen them in years.
>
> The FreeBSD port of GNU diction and style is at /usr/ports/misc/diction.

Thanks.  I didn't know that there was a GNU version of this, but
since you pointed this out, I found that it's a package in the
OpenPKG portable packaging system which we use for most things.

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>On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 09:25:32AM -0800, Bill Campbell wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008, Goksin Akdeniz wrote:
>> >On Friday 21 November 2008 01:21:20 Gary Kline wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 	If there is one with OOo-3, I haven't been able to build it yet....
>> >>
>> >> 	gary
>> >
>> >Hello Gary,
>> >
>> >Spellcheck and dictionary addons are avilable for OOo-3 but can not be 
>> >installed due to bugs. 
>> 
>> Eons ago I used ``style'' and ``diction'' which were from the
>> Bell Labs *roff text processing that were available on Xenix.  I
>> found them quite useful, but haven't seen them in years.
>
>	hmmm!  yeah, i probably have these that i swiped from SVR2 [shhh-h]
>	in 1986-7.  i never used the roff stuff except in in idiot-mode, but i do
>	remember that joe <> came up with the tool for running-off
>	man pages.

I'm enough of a curmudgeon that I still do the majority of my
writing with vim using -mm macros.  I have even written tools that
convert these to docbook XML, at least to get a first cut without
having to write all the XML markup.

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On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 08:03:58PM +0100, Jonatan Evald Buus wrote:

> Greetings,
> I tried to install FreeBSD 7.0 on an old server earlier today and ran in to
> a number of issues related to slicing and labeling the disk using fdisk.
> The drive in the machine is a 40GB Seagate Barracude (ST34001A) installed as
> a Secondary Master on the IDE bus using LBA.
> The BIOS reports that the drive has 16 sectors pr block, but little else.
> 
> When accessing fdisk during install, fdisk complains that the disk geometry
> is invalid and sets it to the default geometry for 40GB:
> Cylinders: 4865
> Heads: 255
> Sectors: 63
> I've tried with the following configuration based on what was reported by
> the BIOS:
> Cylinders: 19150
> Heads: 255
> Sectors: 16
> Looking in the manual:
> http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/manuals/ata/cuda7200pm.pdf, Seagate is
> specifying the following logical characteristic:
> Cylinders: 16383
> Read / Write heads: 16
> Sectors pr track: 63
> Which of these settings should be the correct one for the fdisk geometry?

Let the system set it and just go with what it does. 
Geometry is virtual nowdays.   Except in some unusual situations
(on IDE) Cylinders, heads and sectors most often do not mean what 
they used to.   The system drivers have it all figured out.  The
important thing for you is the total number of blocks/sectors. 

If that doesn't work, you will have to do some diagnosis, but in
about 10 out of 9 times, accepting how FreeBSD sets it is correct
and works.


> Additionally I encountered problems during installation if splitting the
> disk into more than 4 slices. This would cause the following error to be
> thrown during prior to the install files being copied (when sysinstall was
> executing the newfs commands):

You cannot have more than 4 slices.
The system limits you to 4 slices, identified by numbers 1..4

Once you divide in to slices, each can be further divided in to
up to 8 partitions, although it is really 7 because partition 'c' has
special meaning and is not really available to be a real partition.
Partitions are identified with alpha letters a..h - with 'c' being
used to identify the whole slice.

You use fdisk to create the slices (and write the MBR and set 
the bootable flag).

Then you use bsdlabel (formerly called disklabel) to create the
partitions within a slice (plus write the slice boot block.

Typically, you want to make partition 'a' be the root (/) filesystem
and 'b' be swap space on a bootable system slice.   Some things assume 
these designations.

Then you newfs partitions a, d, e, f, g, h or as many as you use.
But don't touch c and don't newfs b if it is to be swap.

////jerry

> "Error mounting /mnt/dev/X on /mnt/usr. No such file or directory"
> Using only 4 slices seems to have solved this error, however I'd like the
> disk layout to use 5 slices as follows:
> / = 512MB
> swap = 2048MB (the machine has 1024MB RAM)
> /tmp = 512MB
> /var = 2048MB
> /usr = whatever remains
> I noticed that when having 5 slices, the last slice (/usr) would be named X
> rather than ad2s5 as I'd expect (the drive was detected as ad2).
> Is this behaviour related to the error in any way?
> Also, is the above disk layout good for a server intended to run both a web
> server (Apache) and a database server (PostGreSQL) ?
> 
> Finally after installation (using only 4 slices) the system will only boot
> if the FreeBSD boot manager is used.

That is probably because you have created what is referred to in the
documentation as a "dangerously dedicated" disk.   You can make it
work that way.  FreeBSD can handle it.   But other systems will not 
play nicely with it.

> This in turn causes a 4 menu options, all of them named "FreeBSD" to appear
> during startup despite only the / slice having been set as bootable in fdisk
> which appears to be indicated by an "A" in the flag column.

Again, because you tried to do it the wrong way.   You created 4 FreeBSD
slices, probably each with an MBR and so the BIOS and the first MBR think
they are all bootable.


> Selecting the first menu item by pressing F1 will make the system boot as
> expected.
> It seems rather silly though to use a boot manager when FreeBSD is the only
> operating system that is installed (and ever will be installed) on the
> machine.

You can put in the other non-boot manager block during installation
if you want and it will only boot FreeBSD.   But, something is needed.
I forget what they call it in the sysinstall screen, but you might just
as well put in the FreeBSD boot manager (MBR).  

> If the FreeBSD boot manager is not used however and only the MBR is set
> during installation, the system will fail at startup with error "Invalid
> Partition Table".
> Is this because the harddrive is installed as the Secondary Master on the
> IDE bus?

No, it is because you did not create any partition table (with bsdlabel).

////jerry

> 
> Appreciate any input on this
> 
> Cheers
> Jona
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2008/11/21 Ansar Mohammed 

> I think you are. We should care about a KERNEL module being bug free and
> high performance.

Agreed.
We did a migration from a Windows email server a while back (about 40,000
mail boxes). As customers logged into the FreeBSD boxes, a process was
kicked off to copy email from the Windows box to the FreeBSD boxes, this
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hamtilla wrote:
> I'm running 7.0-RELEASE-i386 on Jetway's NC92-N230 mainboard. The board has
> one integrated RTL8168/8111 gigabit NIC as well as an expansion board with
> three RTL8168/8111 NICs. 
> 
> none2@pci0:1:0:0:       class=0x020000 card=0x816810ec chip=0x816810ec
> rev=0x02 hdr=0x00
>     vendor     = 'Realtek Semiconductor'
>     device     = 'RTL8168/8111 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC'
>     class      = network
>     subclass   = ethernet
> re0@pci0:2:4:0: class=0x020000 card=0x10ec16f3 chip=0x816710ec rev=0x10
> hdr=0x00
>     vendor     = 'Realtek Semiconductor'
>     device     = 'RTL8169/8110 Family Gigabit Ethernet NIC'
>     class      = network
>     subclass   = ethernet
> re1@pci0:2:6:0: class=0x020000 card=0x10ec16f3 chip=0x816710ec rev=0x10
> hdr=0x00
>     vendor     = 'Realtek Semiconductor'
>     device     = 'RTL8169/8110 Family Gigabit Ethernet NIC'
>     class      = network
>     subclass   = ethernet
> re2@pci0:2:7:0: class=0x020000 card=0x10ec16f3 chip=0x816710ec rev=0x10
> hdr=0x00
>     vendor     = 'Realtek Semiconductor'
>     device     = 'RTL8169/8110 Family Gigabit Ethernet NIC'
>     class      = network
>     subclass   = ethernet 
> 
> 
> Why would the three NICs work while the onboard NIC does not? I would
> imagine the same driver services both controllers. Do I need to assign an
> interface to the device somehow?
> 
> Thank you!
Aloha,

I use the same PCI cards in a number of servers. All work fine. But on 
board ones are only 100 so I dont use them.

However I notice that the on board nic in your case uses a different 
chipset:

chip=0x816810ec is onboard.
chip=0x816710ec is slot pci's.

I dont know what this means in respect to operation problems though.



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On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 02:05:41PM -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote:
> Gary Kline  writes:
> 
> > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:03:25PM +0000, Goksin Akdeniz wrote:
> >> On Friday 21 November 2008 01:21:20 Gary Kline wrote:
> >> >
> >> > 	If there is one with OOo-3, I haven't been able to build it yet....
> >> >
> >> > 	gary
> >> 
> >> Hello Gary,
> >> 
> >> Spellcheck and dictionary addons are avilable for OOo-3 but can not be 
> >> installed due to bugs. 
> >
> >
> > 	thanks for the datapoint.  good to know these tools are en-route.  
> > 	i'm working on some ye-olden texts that need updating to 21st century
> > 	english.  ....
> 
> They aren't really "en route".  They are here, and they're working for me.
> The dictionaries are no longer installed with OpenOffice by default -- as
> I understand it, this is because there are now so many different languages
> that would need to be included.
> 
> The documentation I used was at:
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Dictionaries


	i Can understand the ``myriad dictionaries problem'' since OO
	supports so many languages; but I'm looking for a grammar tool.
	There was some rumble about a grammar-checker becoming available 
	sometime [like RSN:)] ... but so far nothing.  --At the same
	time, the GNU diction program has found several things.  Havent
	used that for ages.

	gary

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>=20
> (Forgive the top-posting)

Why?


>=20
> Your assertion that "linux is both low end unix and low end windows repla=
cement" is factually wrong: As a high end unix I think it's earned it's str=
ipes, currently dominating the top 500 supercomputer systems in the world, =
some no other unix has managed to accomplish this time round. Notably, when=
 compared to freebsd it offers support for virtualisation where bsd is nowh=
ere close to doing, just one example of high end unix feature it provides. =
As a gui desktop, I'm certain kde is a superior interface to windows in man=
y ways.
>=20

While I agree that, without some kind of supporting argument, the
statement that Linux systems are "low end" Unix replacements are kind of
spurious sounding, I don't think that market share is really an effective
metric for determination of the quality of a replacement for a given
class of OS.

I'm also not sure I see how virtualization makes or breaks the quality of
any Unix-like system, or qualifies it as "high end".

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Hi Jerry,
Thank you for the swift and very thorough response.

If I understand you correctly, then I should only create 1 slice of the
entire disk (seeing as FreeBSD will be the only OS) using fdisk and then
partition the slice using bsdlabels from sysinstall?
Previously I was aiming for 5 slices, each of which had a single partition
as described below.

>From your explanation I take it that "slices" are what Windows refers to as
"Primary Partitions"?
If that's the case then I understand the behaviour I experienced.

Is it possible to make a slice non-bootable?
And would there be any benefits (less fragmentation, faster access time
etc.) in using slices rather than partitions to layout the harddrive or
should slices only be used to represent a physical harddrive?

Appreciate the clarification

Cheers
Jona

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Jerry McAllister  wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 08:03:58PM +0100, Jonatan Evald Buus wrote:
>
> > Greetings,
> > I tried to install FreeBSD 7.0 on an old server earlier today and ran in
> to
> > a number of issues related to slicing and labeling the disk using fdisk.
> > The drive in the machine is a 40GB Seagate Barracude (ST34001A) installed
> as
> > a Secondary Master on the IDE bus using LBA.
> > The BIOS reports that the drive has 16 sectors pr block, but little else.
> >
> > When accessing fdisk during install, fdisk complains that the disk
> geometry
> > is invalid and sets it to the default geometry for 40GB:
> > Cylinders: 4865
> > Heads: 255
> > Sectors: 63
> > I've tried with the following configuration based on what was reported by
> > the BIOS:
> > Cylinders: 19150
> > Heads: 255
> > Sectors: 16
> > Looking in the manual:
> > http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/manuals/ata/cuda7200pm.pdf, Seagate
> is
> > specifying the following logical characteristic:
> > Cylinders: 16383
> > Read / Write heads: 16
> > Sectors pr track: 63
> > Which of these settings should be the correct one for the fdisk geometry?
>
> Let the system set it and just go with what it does.
> Geometry is virtual nowdays.   Except in some unusual situations
> (on IDE) Cylinders, heads and sectors most often do not mean what
> they used to.   The system drivers have it all figured out.  The
> important thing for you is the total number of blocks/sectors.
>
> If that doesn't work, you will have to do some diagnosis, but in
> about 10 out of 9 times, accepting how FreeBSD sets it is correct
> and works.
>
>
> > Additionally I encountered problems during installation if splitting the
> > disk into more than 4 slices. This would cause the following error to be
> > thrown during prior to the install files being copied (when sysinstall
> was
> > executing the newfs commands):
>
> You cannot have more than 4 slices.
> The system limits you to 4 slices, identified by numbers 1..4
>
> Once you divide in to slices, each can be further divided in to
> up to 8 partitions, although it is really 7 because partition 'c' has
> special meaning and is not really available to be a real partition.
> Partitions are identified with alpha letters a..h - with 'c' being
> used to identify the whole slice.
>
> You use fdisk to create the slices (and write the MBR and set
> the bootable flag).
>
> Then you use bsdlabel (formerly called disklabel) to create the
> partitions within a slice (plus write the slice boot block.
>
> Typically, you want to make partition 'a' be the root (/) filesystem
> and 'b' be swap space on a bootable system slice.   Some things assume
> these designations.
>
> Then you newfs partitions a, d, e, f, g, h or as many as you use.
> But don't touch c and don't newfs b if it is to be swap.
>
> ////jerry
>
> > "Error mounting /mnt/dev/X on /mnt/usr. No such file or directory"
> > Using only 4 slices seems to have solved this error, however I'd like the
> > disk layout to use 5 slices as follows:
> > / = 512MB
> > swap = 2048MB (the machine has 1024MB RAM)
> > /tmp = 512MB
> > /var = 2048MB
> > /usr = whatever remains
> > I noticed that when having 5 slices, the last slice (/usr) would be named
> X
> > rather than ad2s5 as I'd expect (the drive was detected as ad2).
> > Is this behaviour related to the error in any way?
> > Also, is the above disk layout good for a server intended to run both a
> web
> > server (Apache) and a database server (PostGreSQL) ?
> >
> > Finally after installation (using only 4 slices) the system will only
> boot
> > if the FreeBSD boot manager is used.
>
> That is probably because you have created what is referred to in the
> documentation as a "dangerously dedicated" disk.   You can make it
> work that way.  FreeBSD can handle it.   But other systems will not
> play nicely with it.
>
> > This in turn causes a 4 menu options, all of them named "FreeBSD" to
> appear
> > during startup despite only the / slice having been set as bootable in
> fdisk
> > which appears to be indicated by an "A" in the flag column.
>
> Again, because you tried to do it the wrong way.   You created 4 FreeBSD
> slices, probably each with an MBR and so the BIOS and the first MBR think
> they are all bootable.
>
>
> > Selecting the first menu item by pressing F1 will make the system boot as
> > expected.
> > It seems rather silly though to use a boot manager when FreeBSD is the
> only
> > operating system that is installed (and ever will be installed) on the
> > machine.
>
> You can put in the other non-boot manager block during installation
> if you want and it will only boot FreeBSD.   But, something is needed.
> I forget what they call it in the sysinstall screen, but you might just
> as well put in the FreeBSD boot manager (MBR).
>
> > If the FreeBSD boot manager is not used however and only the MBR is set
> > during installation, the system will fail at startup with error "Invalid
> > Partition Table".
> > Is this because the harddrive is installed as the Secondary Master on the
> > IDE bus?
>
> No, it is because you did not create any partition table (with bsdlabel).
>
> ////jerry
>
> >
> > Appreciate any input on this
> >
> > Cheers
> > Jona
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On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Gary Kline  wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 02:05:41PM -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote:
>> Gary Kline  writes:
>>
>> > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:03:25PM +0000, Goksin Akdeniz wrote:
>> >> On Friday 21 November 2008 01:21:20 Gary Kline wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >  If there is one with OOo-3, I haven't been able to build it yet....
>> >> >
>> >> >  gary
>> >>
>> >> Hello Gary,
>> >>
>> >> Spellcheck and dictionary addons are avilable for OOo-3 but can not be
>> >> installed due to bugs.
>> >
>> >
>> >     thanks for the datapoint.  good to know these tools are en-route.
>> >     i'm working on some ye-olden texts that need updating to 21st century
>> >     english.  ....
>>
>> They aren't really "en route".  They are here, and they're working for me.
>> The dictionaries are no longer installed with OpenOffice by default -- as
>> I understand it, this is because there are now so many different languages
>> that would need to be included.
>>
>> The documentation I used was at:
>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Dictionaries
>
>
>        i Can understand the ``myriad dictionaries problem'' since OO
>        supports so many languages; but I'm looking for a grammar tool.
>        There was some rumble about a grammar-checker becoming available
>        sometime [like RSN:)] ... but so far nothing.  --At the same
>        time, the GNU diction program has found several things.  Havent
>        used that for ages.
>
>        gary
>
Well, there is http://www.languagetool.org/ available for OOo, but I
don't know how to get it installed due to the "bad transfer url" error
that's been reported [1] when installing extensions.  Any ideas
related to that?

[1] http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-openoffice/2008-October/003941.html
>>
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Gary Kline  writes:

> 	i Can understand the ``myriad dictionaries problem'' since OO
> 	supports so many languages; but I'm looking for a grammar tool.
> 	There was some rumble about a grammar-checker becoming available 
> 	sometime [like RSN:)] ... but so far nothing.  --At the same
> 	time, the GNU diction program has found several things.  Havent
> 	used that for ages.

Oh, right, sorry; I meant to mention the OpenOffice extension
"LanguageTool".  As a grammar checker, it's not very good, but
it's good enough to catch a bunch of common typo-ish mistakes
that a spell checker will always miss.  



-- 
Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area
		http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/

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Hi all,

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On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 1:52 AM, Brent Clark wrote:

> matt donovan wrote:
>
>> Well you didn't install man pages since minimal install does not install
>> them. To get the man pages you have to change 7.0-RELEASE-p5 to just
>> 7.0-RELEASE
>>
>
> Hi
>
> Thanks for this, I actually did realise my mistake after the post. Mans
> installed :)
>
> What does make me wonder is how or why sysinternal's option was set to
> 7.0-RELEASE-p5 and / or could not work around it.
>
> Anyway, its working, so im chuffed.
>
> Thanks again for the reply
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>
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well Sysinstall goes by the version that you have installed so if you update
your machine to patchlevel 5 sysinstall will change the OS to the -p5
instead of the base setting

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On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:41:07 +0100, "Jonatan Evald Buus"  wrote:
> If I understand you correctly, then I should only create 1 slice of the
> entire disk (seeing as FreeBSD will be the only OS) using fdisk and then
> partition the slice using bsdlabels from sysinstall?

Yes, that's the usual way. Sysinstall suggest this way, too,
but you can use fdisk and bsdlabel "manually", if you want.



> Previously I was aiming for 5 slices, each of which had a single partition
> as described below.

Not neccessary, as you see.

By the way, if you would want to have one disk (harddisk) for
your home directories, you wouldn't make any slice on it, you
could create just one partition there, for example:

	/dev/ad0s1b = swap
	/dev/ad0s1a = /
	/dev/ad0s1d = /tmp
	/dev/ad0s1e = /var
	/dev/ad0s1f = /usr
	/dev/ad2    = /home



> From your explanation I take it that "slices" are what Windows refers to as
> "Primary Partitions"?

Yes.



> If that's the case then I understand the behaviour I experienced.

You understood it correctly.



> Is it possible to make a slice non-bootable?

Yes, by not setting the bootable flag in the slice editor.



> And would there be any benefits (less fragmentation, faster access time
> etc.) in using slices rather than partitions to layout the harddrive or
> should slices only be used to represent a physical harddrive?

I don't think it will give you any speed gains when you
have, let's say, /dev/ad[0s[12345]c instead of /dev/ad0s1[adefg].
Speed limitations usually occur according to the order harddisks
are placed on the (P)ATA bus and how you copy data from one
partition to another, for example, a master -> slave copy usually
is slower than a master -> master copy; copies between partitions
on the same drive tend to be slower than copies between two
physical drives. In daily use, I don't think your suggestion
would be of a significant benefit - if it was, it would have been
done this way for years already. :-)



-- 
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On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 10:41:07PM +0100, Jonatan Evald Buus wrote:

> Hi Jerry,
> Thank you for the swift and very thorough response.
> 
> If I understand you correctly, then I should only create 1 slice of the
> entire disk (seeing as FreeBSD will be the only OS) using fdisk and then
> partition the slice using bsdlabels from sysinstall?

Yes.   Or you don't have to use sysinstall.  You can do it 
manually.   But, using sysinstall makes it easy.

You don't absolutely have to slice or bsdlabel it.
You can either just newfs the device /dev/da0 or you can create a slice
and just newfs that /dev/da0s1.   Then you get that 'dangerously dedicated'
disk which FreeBSD can use, but nothing else can including some non-FreeBSD
boot managers.   Some people do that to save a couple thousand bytes of
space, but on a multi-gigabyte drive, who cares about a couple thousand
bytes.

> Previously I was aiming for 5 slices, each of which had a single partition
> as described below.

Yup.   That won't work.

> >From your explanation I take it that "slices" are what Windows refers to as
> "Primary Partitions"?
> If that's the case then I understand the behaviour I experienced.

Yes.   There is that conflict of terminology.  
But, FreeBSD has called it slices from the beginning.

> Is it possible to make a slice non-bootable?

Yes.   Just don't put in an MBR and don't mark it bootable in 
the fdisk stage.

> And would there be any benefits (less fragmentation, faster access time
> etc.) in using slices rather than partitions to layout the harddrive or
> should slices only be used to represent a physical harddrive?

There is no advantage in making a slice non-bootable, except you might
be able to save a few bytes of storage - storage that is not normally
used anyway.   There is no advantage in speed or access time and
fragmentation is only a MS worry.   It is not an issue in superior
UNIX filesystems - at least in FreeBSD's.

I don't understand the last line of that paragraph.
Pretty much everything is virtual in disk drive addressing nowdays.
It doesn't matter which level you refer to.

The slice and its limit to 4 is a "feature" of standard BIOS basically.
All the other things, partitions, extended partitions, etc are ways
of getting around the limits.    The only real reason nowdays to
have more than one slice on a drive in FreeBSD is if you want to put
more than one bootable system on the drive.   For example, the machine
I am typing on has MS-XP and FreeBSD, plus a Dell diagnostic slice - 
so three slices are used.   I could squish those slices down and add
one more, say for Linux or a different version of FreeBSD if I wanted, 
but I don't.    

Generally, when I make a machine intended only for FreeBSD, I put all
the disk in one bootable slice.   Then I partition that slice to 
suit me.  My pattern is usually:
   a   /  (root)
   b   swap         (125% of memory size)
   c   defines the slice - not a real partition
   d   /tmp         (used as scratch space by many utilities)
   e   /usr         
   f   /var         (size depends on logging and databases which live here)
   g   /home        (user home directories, plus I put some of the things
                     that can grow unexpectedly such as /var/mail, /var/spool
                     /usr/ports, /usr/local  here and make symlinks to them)

Some people make just one big partition for root plus some for swap.
I like the control I have over things my way a little better and I 
can get by with backing up and restoring more manageable chunks my way.

If the machine is to be a "dual boot" as this one is,  I carve it up in
to slices - one for each bootable system.    If it already has some
MS thing loaded, I use some tool such as Gparted or Partition Magic
to shrink the MS primary partition and create two or three or four
of them.   Then I use fdisk to set up the FreeBSD slice to be bootable
and bsdlabel to partition that slice.   
By the way, 'dual boot' is kind of a generic term referring to any
number of bootable slices more than one.   So, it could refer to two,
three or four actual bootable systems on the drive.

Except for something like the "hidden" Dell diagnostic slice (HP and
probably other vendors like to do that as well), MS must be in the first 
slice because it doesn't like to play well with other systems.   But, it 
does overlook the 'hidden' slices OK.  That 'hidden' attribute is ignored 
by FreeBSD.   But, since it doesn't care which slice it is in, that is 
no problem.     

When I have a second (or third, etc) disk on the machine, I generally
do not make those disks bootable.   I make them just one plain slice 
each and generally, since they mostly get used as mass data storage,
I create just one partition in that slice.   But, I have created 
more when it was useful.   One I am thinking about, it was useful to
make more partitions in the second drive because I was using it to
build a system to distribute to other machines and I could isolate
that in one separate partition that way and use other partitionss 
for development space.

If you have more than one drive and you want to put some bootable
slices on each of them, you can do that by putting an MBR on each
one, marking each slice you want bootable as such and putting the
boot block and OS on that drive.  

It is a little a little confusing that there is a Master Boot Record
and a boot block being named in such similar sounding ways.  They 
are each one sector long and are quite related, but are different
and both are needed.    

To boot, the system turns control over to the BIOS.   
The BIOS does a bunch of stuff with the hardware and then looks
  for an MBR in its list of boot devices (which you can normally
  configure in BIOS control utility.  You usually have to break out
  of the boot sequence early on to get in to BIOS)
The BIOS loads the first MBR it finds and then transfers control to it.
The MBR does some minor housekeeping and then looks for slices that
  are marked bootable in its boot table (set by fdisk).  It also looks
  to see it there is another disk down the line with its own MBR.
The MBR makes up a little menu of slices on its own disk and the next
  drive with an MBR, if any.     
Either you select one from the menu or let it take its default.
Then the MBR marks that slice as the latest(current) one booted, loads
  up the boot block and transfers control to it.
The boot block does some housekeeping and causes the system to start.
If you select that next MBR, it does just like the first - lists its
  own bootable slices and a possible next MBR, then loads up what you
  select and transfers control.  You can chain bootable disk this way.

If either the disk's MBR or that slice's boot block are bad in some
way, the boot fails.

Generally, nowdays, most systems commit a whole track to the MBR
and the boot block rather than just the single sector that is officially
called for.   The other sectors are just ignored/wasted.   It is
a trivial amount to waste.   The main reason for doing so (I think) is
it is easier to calculate the addressing on even track or cylinder 
boundaries rather than one sector off.   

But, because of this, there are several third party MBRs out there 
that assume that space will be available and so they use it to create 
fancier MBRs and boot blocks, with more elaborate menu and such.  That 
is nice, but in reality, they ultimately still do exactly what the 
basic MBRs and boot blocks do.    Grub is one of the most well known
of these extended MBRs.

FreeBSD has taken the attitude of being strict about the standard
so it can work with all systems and limits itself to the one sector
MBR and bootblocks.   I have heard some talk of making a FreeBSD
version of extended MBRs and bootblocks, but I don't know if anyone
is really doing it.

////jerry


> 
> Appreciate the clarification
> 
> Cheers
> Jona
> 
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Jerry McAllister  wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 08:03:58PM +0100, Jonatan Evald Buus wrote:
> >
> > > Greetings,
> > > I tried to install FreeBSD 7.0 on an old server earlier today and ran in
> > to
> > > a number of issues related to slicing and labeling the disk using fdisk.
> > > The drive in the machine is a 40GB Seagate Barracude (ST34001A) installed
> > as
> > > a Secondary Master on the IDE bus using LBA.
> > > The BIOS reports that the drive has 16 sectors pr block, but little else.
> > >
> > > When accessing fdisk during install, fdisk complains that the disk
> > geometry
> > > is invalid and sets it to the default geometry for 40GB:
> > > Cylinders: 4865
> > > Heads: 255
> > > Sectors: 63
> > > I've tried with the following configuration based on what was reported by
> > > the BIOS:
> > > Cylinders: 19150
> > > Heads: 255
> > > Sectors: 16
> > > Looking in the manual:
> > > http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/manuals/ata/cuda7200pm.pdf, Seagate
> > is
> > > specifying the following logical characteristic:
> > > Cylinders: 16383
> > > Read / Write heads: 16
> > > Sectors pr track: 63
> > > Which of these settings should be the correct one for the fdisk geometry?
> >
> > Let the system set it and just go with what it does.
> > Geometry is virtual nowdays.   Except in some unusual situations
> > (on IDE) Cylinders, heads and sectors most often do not mean what
> > they used to.   The system drivers have it all figured out.  The
> > important thing for you is the total number of blocks/sectors.
> >
> > If that doesn't work, you will have to do some diagnosis, but in
> > about 10 out of 9 times, accepting how FreeBSD sets it is correct
> > and works.
> >
> >
> > > Additionally I encountered problems during installation if splitting the
> > > disk into more than 4 slices. This would cause the following error to be
> > > thrown during prior to the install files being copied (when sysinstall
> > was
> > > executing the newfs commands):
> >
> > You cannot have more than 4 slices.
> > The system limits you to 4 slices, identified by numbers 1..4
> >
> > Once you divide in to slices, each can be further divided in to
> > up to 8 partitions, although it is really 7 because partition 'c' has
> > special meaning and is not really available to be a real partition.
> > Partitions are identified with alpha letters a..h - with 'c' being
> > used to identify the whole slice.
> >
> > You use fdisk to create the slices (and write the MBR and set
> > the bootable flag).
> >
> > Then you use bsdlabel (formerly called disklabel) to create the
> > partitions within a slice (plus write the slice boot block.
> >
> > Typically, you want to make partition 'a' be the root (/) filesystem
> > and 'b' be swap space on a bootable system slice.   Some things assume
> > these designations.
> >
> > Then you newfs partitions a, d, e, f, g, h or as many as you use.
> > But don't touch c and don't newfs b if it is to be swap.
> >
> > ////jerry
> >
> > > "Error mounting /mnt/dev/X on /mnt/usr. No such file or directory"
> > > Using only 4 slices seems to have solved this error, however I'd like the
> > > disk layout to use 5 slices as follows:
> > > / = 512MB
> > > swap = 2048MB (the machine has 1024MB RAM)
> > > /tmp = 512MB
> > > /var = 2048MB
> > > /usr = whatever remains
> > > I noticed that when having 5 slices, the last slice (/usr) would be named
> > X
> > > rather than ad2s5 as I'd expect (the drive was detected as ad2).
> > > Is this behaviour related to the error in any way?
> > > Also, is the above disk layout good for a server intended to run both a
> > web
> > > server (Apache) and a database server (PostGreSQL) ?
> > >
> > > Finally after installation (using only 4 slices) the system will only
> > boot
> > > if the FreeBSD boot manager is used.
> >
> > That is probably because you have created what is referred to in the
> > documentation as a "dangerously dedicated" disk.   You can make it
> > work that way.  FreeBSD can handle it.   But other systems will not
> > play nicely with it.
> >
> > > This in turn causes a 4 menu options, all of them named "FreeBSD" to
> > appear
> > > during startup despite only the / slice having been set as bootable in
> > fdisk
> > > which appears to be indicated by an "A" in the flag column.
> >
> > Again, because you tried to do it the wrong way.   You created 4 FreeBSD
> > slices, probably each with an MBR and so the BIOS and the first MBR think
> > they are all bootable.
> >
> >
> > > Selecting the first menu item by pressing F1 will make the system boot as
> > > expected.
> > > It seems rather silly though to use a boot manager when FreeBSD is the
> > only
> > > operating system that is installed (and ever will be installed) on the
> > > machine.
> >
> > You can put in the other non-boot manager block during installation
> > if you want and it will only boot FreeBSD.   But, something is needed.
> > I forget what they call it in the sysinstall screen, but you might just
> > as well put in the FreeBSD boot manager (MBR).
> >
> > > If the FreeBSD boot manager is not used however and only the MBR is set
> > > during installation, the system will fail at startup with error "Invalid
> > > Partition Table".
> > > Is this because the harddrive is installed as the Secondary Master on the
> > > IDE bus?
> >
> > No, it is because you did not create any partition table (with bsdlabel).
> >
> > ////jerry
> >
> > >
> > > Appreciate any input on this
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Jona
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> I lost my Hard Drive and all my many tens of thousands of emails.
>
> Thus, my excellent repository of answers from this list were sent to oblivion.
>
> I make dumps using gzip and forget the command line to restore files from the zipped dump.
>
> I use the command line like:
>
> dump 0 -h0 -uaLf - /home | gzip > dumpfile.gz
>
> If someone cand remind me the proper way to restore a file I would be greatful.
>
cd /target/directory

zcat dumpfile.gz|restore -rf -


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> Ahhhh... a reverse DNS problem!

Nope... wasn't that. Reverse DNS was working fine. I just didn't know  
how to check it properly.

Well, that was a good idea. Time to find another one!

- John

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>
> /usr/local/bin/rsync -az -e 'ssh ' data.cdb 
> admin@qu.example.com:/usr/local/etc/tinydns/root/data.cdb
> channel 1: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed
>
> The rsync does work. That is, the file is copied over. So this is actually a 
> warning, I guess.
>
> On the other server, the one the file is being copied TO, the following is 
> printed in /var/log/auth.log
>
> Nov 21 12:43:38 qu sshd[4604]: Address 67.111.0.194 maps to on.example.com, 
> but this does not map back to the address - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT!

well it's as easy as reading messages.

you exactly posted answer to your question!

make your reverse DNS and forward DNS match.

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> I am trying to add a IPFW rule to forward traffic but I keep getting the 
> message "ipfw: getsockopt(IP_FW_ADD): Invalid argument".  The rule I am 
> trying to add looks like this:
>
> ipfw add 600 fwd 192.169.2.3, 6000 tcp from 192.169.2.3 to any 80
>
> I do have IP Forwarding enabled.  Any ideas what I am doing wrong?

rule looks OK, but your message clearly suggest you DO NOT have IP 
forwarding enabled

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I need a log capturing program, like WallWatcher, to run on my FreeBSD box 
and capture logs from a router running Tomato. Some analyzing features 
would be nice. Could you recommend something? 

-- 
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hello list!
i have this error running sockstat:

# sockstat
sockstat: struct xtcpcb size mismatch
sockstat: struct xinpcb size mismatch
sockstat: struct xunpcb size mismatch
sockstat: struct xunpcb size mismatch
USER     COMMAND    PID   FD PROTO  LOCAL ADDRESS         FOREIGN 
ADDRESS     
#


someone have a clue ?

tks

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On 11/22/08, x03ml  wrote:
> hello list!
> i have this error running sockstat:
>
> # sockstat
> sockstat: struct xtcpcb size mismatch
> sockstat: struct xinpcb size mismatch
> sockstat: struct xunpcb size mismatch
> sockstat: struct xunpcb size mismatch

Your kernel and world are not it sync.

-- 
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FreeBSD 7.0.  I am having a problem when ntpd starts at bootup.  It
continues to have 2 processes running, the process which does the DNS lookup
fails to exit, and ntpd fails to adjust the clock even after days of
running.  Immediately after bootup and several hours or days later this is
what I get:

# ps -U root | grep ntpd
87837  ??  Ss     0:00.03 /usr/sbin/ntpd -c /etc/ntp.conf -p
/var/run/ntpd.pid
87838  ??  S      0:00.00 /usr/sbin/ntpd -c /etc/ntp.conf -p
/var/run/ntpd.pid

If I do a "/etc/rc.d/ntpd restart" on a running system it fixes the problem,
and only one of the ntpd processes remains, and the clock gets adjusted.

I have named running as a caching name server on my system.  The contents of
my /etc/resolv.conf:

domain  nerius.com
nameserver      127.0.0.1

My /etc/rc.conf:

...
named_enable="YES"
ntpd_enable="YES"
...

I believe that the problem with ntpd is that named is started AFTER ntpd.

Trying to reproduce problem.  On a running system. I shut down named.  Then
I restart ntpd, then I start named.  I can reproduce the problem that
happens on bootup - ntpd has 2 processes and does not adjust the clock.
Restarting ntpd while named is running fixes the problem

I believe that the fix for this is to add a dependency to /etc/rc.d/ntpd
script, adding "named" to "REQUIRE" section in comments.  In your opinion,
is this a robust fix?  For example the line in my /etc/rc.d/ntpd script that
looks like so:

# REQUIRE: DAEMON ntpdate cleanvar devfs

would be changed to this:

# REQUIRE: DAEMON ntpdate cleanvar devfs named

Also, should I report this as a bug to some sort of bug tracking system?
Where?  I really like FreeBSD and would like to see all bugs get fixed.
Thanks for a great system to all of you.

 - Nerius

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Hello group
clean cd install of freebsd 7.0 release
installing php5-extensions the mysql50-client is broke

had to cd into /usr/ports/databases/mysql50-client &
ftp get =
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/7.0-RELEASE/packages/data=
bases/mysql-client-5.0.45_1.tbz
then ran install mysql50-client

then the php5-extensions package installed as needed

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Is anyone running FreeBSD on a Mac Mini Intel?

I've looked around for a definitive discussion on the topic but  
couldn't find anything on this list or Google at least.

I'd like to replace a couple of relatively high power-consuming  
servers with a couple of Mac Mini Intel's.  For my purposes they are  
plenty good enough.  I'd prefer to stay with the 6.X release for now.

I've got a lot of Mac's around running OS X but in this case these  
boxes would be headless and without keyboards.  An alternate serial  
console would be nice if that can be rigged up via USB and a serial  
converter.

IJ

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Thank you both for the very detailed description.
It's nice to get my suspicion about boot sequencing confirmed :-)

When I installed the system yesterday (I think I'll try a re-install today
based on your input) I observed however that all the slices I made appeared
to be bootable.
As originally mentioned I managed to get the system to boot when I only had
4 slices which resulted in the system only wanting to boot through the
FreeBSD Boot Manager. The Boot menu listed 4 menu items, each called
"FreeBSD".
If I only used the MBR to boot however, then the machine would fail with
"Invalid Partition Table" during startup.

I'm quite confident that I had only specified a single slice (/) as being
bootable through fdisk in sysinstall but apparently all 4 of them were made
bootable anyway.
I took a picture of my fdisk screen which can be found at
http://demo.ois-inc.com/freebsd_fdisk.jpg
>From the picture it appears (to me anyway) that only the first slice should
be bootable as indicated by the "A" flag?

Not sure what to make of this observation as you both indicate that I
wouldn't have had these problems if I only had made 1 slice bootable.
Does sysinstall make all slices bootable automatically?

Appreciate any input you may have to this observation.

/Jona

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 11:58 PM, Jerry McAllister  wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 10:41:07PM +0100, Jonatan Evald Buus wrote:
>
> > Hi Jerry,
> > Thank you for the swift and very thorough response.
> >
> > If I understand you correctly, then I should only create 1 slice of the
> > entire disk (seeing as FreeBSD will be the only OS) using fdisk and then
> > partition the slice using bsdlabels from sysinstall?
>
> Yes.   Or you don't have to use sysinstall.  You can do it
> manually.   But, using sysinstall makes it easy.
>
> You don't absolutely have to slice or bsdlabel it.
> You can either just newfs the device /dev/da0 or you can create a slice
> and just newfs that /dev/da0s1.   Then you get that 'dangerously dedicated'
> disk which FreeBSD can use, but nothing else can including some non-FreeBSD
> boot managers.   Some people do that to save a couple thousand bytes of
> space, but on a multi-gigabyte drive, who cares about a couple thousand
> bytes.
>
> > Previously I was aiming for 5 slices, each of which had a single
> partition
> > as described below.
>
> Yup.   That won't work.
>
> > >From your explanation I take it that "slices" are what Windows refers to
> as
> > "Primary Partitions"?
> > If that's the case then I understand the behaviour I experienced.
>
> Yes.   There is that conflict of terminology.
> But, FreeBSD has called it slices from the beginning.
>
> > Is it possible to make a slice non-bootable?
>
> Yes.   Just don't put in an MBR and don't mark it bootable in
> the fdisk stage.
>
> > And would there be any benefits (less fragmentation, faster access time
> > etc.) in using slices rather than partitions to layout the harddrive or
> > should slices only be used to represent a physical harddrive?
>
> There is no advantage in making a slice non-bootable, except you might
> be able to save a few bytes of storage - storage that is not normally
> used anyway.   There is no advantage in speed or access time and
> fragmentation is only a MS worry.   It is not an issue in superior
> UNIX filesystems - at least in FreeBSD's.
>
> I don't understand the last line of that paragraph.
> Pretty much everything is virtual in disk drive addressing nowdays.
> It doesn't matter which level you refer to.
>
> The slice and its limit to 4 is a "feature" of standard BIOS basically.
> All the other things, partitions, extended partitions, etc are ways
> of getting around the limits.    The only real reason nowdays to
> have more than one slice on a drive in FreeBSD is if you want to put
> more than one bootable system on the drive.   For example, the machine
> I am typing on has MS-XP and FreeBSD, plus a Dell diagnostic slice -
> so three slices are used.   I could squish those slices down and add
> one more, say for Linux or a different version of FreeBSD if I wanted,
> but I don't.
>
> Generally, when I make a machine intended only for FreeBSD, I put all
> the disk in one bootable slice.   Then I partition that slice to
> suit me.  My pattern is usually:
>   a   /  (root)
>   b   swap         (125% of memory size)
>   c   defines the slice - not a real partition
>   d   /tmp         (used as scratch space by many utilities)
>   e   /usr
>   f   /var         (size depends on logging and databases which live here)
>   g   /home        (user home directories, plus I put some of the things
>                     that can grow unexpectedly such as /var/mail,
> /var/spool
>                     /usr/ports, /usr/local  here and make symlinks to them)
>
> Some people make just one big partition for root plus some for swap.
> I like the control I have over things my way a little better and I
> can get by with backing up and restoring more manageable chunks my way.
>
> If the machine is to be a "dual boot" as this one is,  I carve it up in
> to slices - one for each bootable system.    If it already has some
> MS thing loaded, I use some tool such as Gparted or Partition Magic
> to shrink the MS primary partition and create two or three or four
> of them.   Then I use fdisk to set up the FreeBSD slice to be bootable
> and bsdlabel to partition that slice.
> By the way, 'dual boot' is kind of a generic term referring to any
> number of bootable slices more than one.   So, it could refer to two,
> three or four actual bootable systems on the drive.
>
> Except for something like the "hidden" Dell diagnostic slice (HP and
> probably other vendors like to do that as well), MS must be in the first
> slice because it doesn't like to play well with other systems.   But, it
> does overlook the 'hidden' slices OK.  That 'hidden' attribute is ignored
> by FreeBSD.   But, since it doesn't care which slice it is in, that is
> no problem.
>
> When I have a second (or third, etc) disk on the machine, I generally
> do not make those disks bootable.   I make them just one plain slice
> each and generally, since they mostly get used as mass data storage,
> I create just one partition in that slice.   But, I have created
> more when it was useful.   One I am thinking about, it was useful to
> make more partitions in the second drive because I was using it to
> build a system to distribute to other machines and I could isolate
> that in one separate partition that way and use other partitionss
> for development space.
>
> If you have more than one drive and you want to put some bootable
> slices on each of them, you can do that by putting an MBR on each
> one, marking each slice you want bootable as such and putting the
> boot block and OS on that drive.
>
> It is a little a little confusing that there is a Master Boot Record
> and a boot block being named in such similar sounding ways.  They
> are each one sector long and are quite related, but are different
> and both are needed.
>
> To boot, the system turns control over to the BIOS.
> The BIOS does a bunch of stuff with the hardware and then looks
>  for an MBR in its list of boot devices (which you can normally
>  configure in BIOS control utility.  You usually have to break out
>  of the boot sequence early on to get in to BIOS)
> The BIOS loads the first MBR it finds and then transfers control to it.
> The MBR does some minor housekeeping and then looks for slices that
>  are marked bootable in its boot table (set by fdisk).  It also looks
>  to see it there is another disk down the line with its own MBR.
> The MBR makes up a little menu of slices on its own disk and the next
>  drive with an MBR, if any.
> Either you select one from the menu or let it take its default.
> Then the MBR marks that slice as the latest(current) one booted, loads
>  up the boot block and transfers control to it.
> The boot block does some housekeeping and causes the system to start.
> If you select that next MBR, it does just like the first - lists its
>  own bootable slices and a possible next MBR, then loads up what you
>  select and transfers control.  You can chain bootable disk this way.
>
> If either the disk's MBR or that slice's boot block are bad in some
> way, the boot fails.
>
> Generally, nowdays, most systems commit a whole track to the MBR
> and the boot block rather than just the single sector that is officially
> called for.   The other sectors are just ignored/wasted.   It is
> a trivial amount to waste.   The main reason for doing so (I think) is
> it is easier to calculate the addressing on even track or cylinder
> boundaries rather than one sector off.
>
> But, because of this, there are several third party MBRs out there
> that assume that space will be available and so they use it to create
> fancier MBRs and boot blocks, with more elaborate menu and such.  That
> is nice, but in reality, they ultimately still do exactly what the
> basic MBRs and boot blocks do.    Grub is one of the most well known
> of these extended MBRs.
>
> FreeBSD has taken the attitude of being strict about the standard
> so it can work with all systems and limits itself to the one sector
> MBR and bootblocks.   I have heard some talk of making a FreeBSD
> version of extended MBRs and bootblocks, but I don't know if anyone
> is really doing it.
>
> ////jerry
>
>
> >
> > Appreciate the clarification
> >
> > Cheers
> > Jona
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Jerry McAllister 
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 08:03:58PM +0100, Jonatan Evald Buus wrote:
> > >
> > > > Greetings,
> > > > I tried to install FreeBSD 7.0 on an old server earlier today and ran
> in
> > > to
> > > > a number of issues related to slicing and labeling the disk using
> fdisk.
> > > > The drive in the machine is a 40GB Seagate Barracude (ST34001A)
> installed
> > > as
> > > > a Secondary Master on the IDE bus using LBA.
> > > > The BIOS reports that the drive has 16 sectors pr block, but little
> else.
> > > >
> > > > When accessing fdisk during install, fdisk complains that the disk
> > > geometry
> > > > is invalid and sets it to the default geometry for 40GB:
> > > > Cylinders: 4865
> > > > Heads: 255
> > > > Sectors: 63
> > > > I've tried with the following configuration based on what was
> reported by
> > > > the BIOS:
> > > > Cylinders: 19150
> > > > Heads: 255
> > > > Sectors: 16
> > > > Looking in the manual:
> > > > http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/manuals/ata/cuda7200pm.pdf,
> Seagate
> > > is
> > > > specifying the following logical characteristic:
> > > > Cylinders: 16383
> > > > Read / Write heads: 16
> > > > Sectors pr track: 63
> > > > Which of these settings should be the correct one for the fdisk
> geometry?
> > >
> > > Let the system set it and just go with what it does.
> > > Geometry is virtual nowdays.   Except in some unusual situations
> > > (on IDE) Cylinders, heads and sectors most often do not mean what
> > > they used to.   The system drivers have it all figured out.  The
> > > important thing for you is the total number of blocks/sectors.
> > >
> > > If that doesn't work, you will have to do some diagnosis, but in
> > > about 10 out of 9 times, accepting how FreeBSD sets it is correct
> > > and works.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Additionally I encountered problems during installation if splitting
> the
> > > > disk into more than 4 slices. This would cause the following error to
> be
> > > > thrown during prior to the install files being copied (when
> sysinstall
> > > was
> > > > executing the newfs commands):
> > >
> > > You cannot have more than 4 slices.
> > > The system limits you to 4 slices, identified by numbers 1..4
> > >
> > > Once you divide in to slices, each can be further divided in to
> > > up to 8 partitions, although it is really 7 because partition 'c' has
> > > special meaning and is not really available to be a real partition.
> > > Partitions are identified with alpha letters a..h - with 'c' being
> > > used to identify the whole slice.
> > >
> > > You use fdisk to create the slices (and write the MBR and set
> > > the bootable flag).
> > >
> > > Then you use bsdlabel (formerly called disklabel) to create the
> > > partitions within a slice (plus write the slice boot block.
> > >
> > > Typically, you want to make partition 'a' be the root (/) filesystem
> > > and 'b' be swap space on a bootable system slice.   Some things assume
> > > these designations.
> > >
> > > Then you newfs partitions a, d, e, f, g, h or as many as you use.
> > > But don't touch c and don't newfs b if it is to be swap.
> > >
> > > ////jerry
> > >
> > > > "Error mounting /mnt/dev/X on /mnt/usr. No such file or directory"
> > > > Using only 4 slices seems to have solved this error, however I'd like
> the
> > > > disk layout to use 5 slices as follows:
> > > > / = 512MB
> > > > swap = 2048MB (the machine has 1024MB RAM)
> > > > /tmp = 512MB
> > > > /var = 2048MB
> > > > /usr = whatever remains
> > > > I noticed that when having 5 slices, the last slice (/usr) would be
> named
> > > X
> > > > rather than ad2s5 as I'd expect (the drive was detected as ad2).
> > > > Is this behaviour related to the error in any way?
> > > > Also, is the above disk layout good for a server intended to run both
> a
> > > web
> > > > server (Apache) and a database server (PostGreSQL) ?
> > > >
> > > > Finally after installation (using only 4 slices) the system will only
> > > boot
> > > > if the FreeBSD boot manager is used.
> > >
> > > That is probably because you have created what is referred to in the
> > > documentation as a "dangerously dedicated" disk.   You can make it
> > > work that way.  FreeBSD can handle it.   But other systems will not
> > > play nicely with it.
> > >
> > > > This in turn causes a 4 menu options, all of them named "FreeBSD" to
> > > appear
> > > > during startup despite only the / slice having been set as bootable
> in
> > > fdisk
> > > > which appears to be indicated by an "A" in the flag column.
> > >
> > > Again, because you tried to do it the wrong way.   You created 4
> FreeBSD
> > > slices, probably each with an MBR and so the BIOS and the first MBR
> think
> > > they are all bootable.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Selecting the first menu item by pressing F1 will make the system
> boot as
> > > > expected.
> > > > It seems rather silly though to use a boot manager when FreeBSD is
> the
> > > only
> > > > operating system that is installed (and ever will be installed) on
> the
> > > > machine.
> > >
> > > You can put in the other non-boot manager block during installation
> > > if you want and it will only boot FreeBSD.   But, something is needed.
> > > I forget what they call it in the sysinstall screen, but you might just
> > > as well put in the FreeBSD boot manager (MBR).
> > >
> > > > If the FreeBSD boot manager is not used however and only the MBR is
> set
> > > > during installation, the system will fail at startup with error
> "Invalid
> > > > Partition Table".
> > > > Is this because the harddrive is installed as the Secondary Master on
> the
> > > > IDE bus?
> > >
> > > No, it is because you did not create any partition table (with
> bsdlabel).
> > >
> > > ////jerry
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Appreciate any input on this
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > > Jona
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On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 10:21 PM,   wrote:
> Hello group
> clean cd install of freebsd 7.0 release
> installing php5-extensions the mysql50-client is broke
>
> had to cd into /usr/ports/databases/mysql50-client &
> ftp get ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/7.0-RELEASE/packages/databases/mysql-client-5.0.45_1.tbz
> then ran install mysql50-client
>
> then the php5-extensions package installed as needed

You never mentioned how you were installing these applications? Using
ports or pkg_add?

Did you csup/cvsup/portsnap the tree first?


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On Saturday 22 November 2008 01:47:50 Nerius Landys wrote:

> Trying to reproduce problem.  On a running system. I shut down named.  Then
> I restart ntpd, then I start named.  I can reproduce the problem that
> happens on bootup - ntpd has 2 processes and does not adjust the clock.
> Restarting ntpd while named is running fixes the problem
>
> I believe that the fix for this is to add a dependency to /etc/rc.d/ntpd
> script, adding "named" to "REQUIRE" section in comments.  In your opinion,
> is this a robust fix?  For example the line in my /etc/rc.d/ntpd script
> that looks like so:
>
> # REQUIRE: DAEMON ntpdate cleanvar devfs
>
> would be changed to this:
>
> # REQUIRE: DAEMON ntpdate cleanvar devfs named

Thanks! It seems that's what been going wrong ever since 6.3 or so on my 
machine as well.
You can report it using send-pr(1), however - you will have to test what 
happens if you comment out named_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf, then 
update /etc/resolv.conf to use your ISP's DNS servers and reboot. If ntpd 
does not start at all then ("because you told it it requires named"), then 
it's not the proper fix.
However, I believe REQUIRE is only used for ordering the scripts, not actually 
disabling one if a service in the REQUIRE line isn't started.

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On Saturday 22 November 2008 04:21:47 clubturbo@web-tricks.net wrote:
> Hello group
> clean cd install of freebsd 7.0 release
> installing php5-extensions the mysql50-client is broke

How is it broke? What error message did you get?

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On Saturday 22 November 2008 01:47:50 Nerius Landys wrote:

> Trying to reproduce problem.  On a running system. I shut down named.  Then
> I restart ntpd, then I start named.  I can reproduce the problem that
> happens on bootup - ntpd has 2 processes and does not adjust the clock.
> Restarting ntpd while named is running fixes the problem
>
> I believe that the fix for this is to add a dependency to /etc/rc.d/ntpd
> script, adding "named" to "REQUIRE" section in comments.  In your opinion,
> is this a robust fix?  For example the line in my /etc/rc.d/ntpd script
> that looks like so:
>
> # REQUIRE: DAEMON ntpdate cleanvar devfs
>
> would be changed to this:
>
> # REQUIRE: DAEMON ntpdate cleanvar devfs named

Thanks! It seems that's what been going wrong ever since 6.3 or so on my 
machine as well.
You can report it using send-pr(1), however - you will have to test what 
happens if you comment out named_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf, then 
update /etc/resolv.conf to use your ISP's DNS servers and reboot. If ntpd 
does not start at all then ("because you told it it requires named"), then 
it's not the proper fix.
However, I believe REQUIRE is only used for ordering the scripts, not actually 
disabling one if a service in the REQUIRE line isn't started.

-- 
Mel

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If one installs FreeBSD 7.0 in a VMWare box, the answer/choicde for
'install boot manager' is this: Standard MBR ?

The PC with WMware is connect to internet. Should one configure
Ethernet then. If yes, what static IP parameters must one enter??

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> I used pkg_add & the ports, same thing happin.
> the MYSQL post only had a make file in it
>

Please reply to the list, not just to me.

The ports tree is only supposed to have the Makefile (and a few other files).

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On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Pieter Donche  wrote:
> If one installs FreeBSD 7.0 in a VMWare box, the answer/choicde for
> 'install boot manager' is this: Standard MBR ?
>

The boot manager can be whichever you want.  If you are installing on
a VM, chances are you're not dual-booting it, so yes, Standard Boot
Manager would be a 'good' choice.

> The PC with WMware is connect to internet. Should one configure
> Ethernet then. If yes, what static IP parameters must one enter??

This would be contingent on how you have networking set up.  Do you
have NAT or Bridged only?  If NAT, use rc.conf with the inet address
of your choice and the netmask for your NAT.

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Hi,

> If one installs FreeBSD 7.0 in a VMWare box, the answer/choicde for
> 'install boot manager' is this: Standard MBR ?

Yes, or choos not to install a boot manager. Both worked with freebsd 6.x 
and ESX 2.5x

> Should one configure Ethernet then. If yes, what static IP parameters 
> must one enter??

The next that's available in your lan.

Hth.

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Robert

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On Sat, 22 Nov 2008, Glen Barber wrote:

>> The PC with WMware is connect to internet. Should one configure
>> Ethernet then. If yes, what static IP parameters must one enter??
>
> This would be contingent on how you have networking set up.  Do you
> have NAT or Bridged only?  If NAT, use rc.conf with the inet address
> of your choice and the netmask for your NAT.

My PC is connected to Internet using an ADSL modem to connect to an ISP.
It uses IP 10.0.0.somevalue, netmask 255.255.255.0, no gateway specified
and two DNS server IP addresses which my ISP asked to use.

Is this 'NAT' or 'Bridged'.

Can I enter values and then what values, for host, domain, IPV4 
gateway, Name server, IPV4 address, netmask in the screen presented 
during FreeBSD install
or should i use Cancel in that screen and make changes in system 
files (and what changes in what system files)?

>
> -- 
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On Nov 21, 2008, at 6:25 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote:

>> I am trying to add a IPFW rule to forward traffic but I keep  
>> getting the message "ipfw: getsockopt(IP_FW_ADD): Invalid  
>> argument".  The rule I am trying to add looks like this:
>>
>> ipfw add 600 fwd 192.169.2.3, 6000 tcp from 192.169.2.3 to any 80
>>
>> I do have IP Forwarding enabled.  Any ideas what I am doing wrong?
>
> rule looks OK, but your message clearly suggest you DO NOT have IP  
> forwarding enabled

Interesting sysctl reports that forwarding is enabled:

$ sysctl -a |grep forward
net.inet.ip.forwarding: 1

IP forwarding is enabled in GENERIC isn't it?  I am running 6.1- 
RELEASE FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE #0. 

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On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Pieter Donche  wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Nov 2008, Glen Barber wrote:
>
>>> The PC with WMware is connect to internet. Should one configure
>>> Ethernet then. If yes, what static IP parameters must one enter??
>>
>> This would be contingent on how you have networking set up.  Do you
>> have NAT or Bridged only?  If NAT, use rc.conf with the inet address
>> of your choice and the netmask for your NAT.
>
> My PC is connected to Internet using an ADSL modem to connect to an ISP.
> It uses IP 10.0.0.somevalue, netmask 255.255.255.0, no gateway specified
> and two DNS server IP addresses which my ISP asked to use.
>
> Is this 'NAT' or 'Bridged'.
>

You'd have to tell me; it's your VM. Check the network settings in the
management interface.

> Can I enter values and then what values, for host, domain, IPV4 gateway,
> Name server, IPV4 address, netmask in the screen presented during FreeBSD
> install
> or should i use Cancel in that screen and make changes in system files (and
> what changes in what system files)?
>

Either will work.

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On Nov 22, 2008, at 5:43 AM, Tom Marchand wrote:

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> On Nov 21, 2008, at 6:25 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
>
>>> I am trying to add a IPFW rule to forward traffic but I keep  
>>> getting the message "ipfw: getsockopt(IP_FW_ADD): Invalid  
>>> argument".  The rule I am trying to add looks like this:
>>>
>>> ipfw add 600 fwd 192.169.2.3, 6000 tcp from 192.169.2.3 to any 80
>>>
>>> I do have IP Forwarding enabled.  Any ideas what I am doing wrong?
>>
>> rule looks OK, but your message clearly suggest you DO NOT have IP  
>> forwarding enabled
>
> Interesting sysctl reports that forwarding is enabled:
>
> $ sysctl -a |grep forward
> net.inet.ip.forwarding: 1
>
> IP forwarding is enabled in GENERIC isn't it?  I am running 6.1- 
> RELEASE FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE

I'm looking at a 6.2 box that does forwarding. The GENERIC
kernel does not have this line:

options IPFIREWALL_FORWARD

In my kernel, I am using that. Recollection is you need this
specified explicitly. I could be wrong.


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>> rule looks OK, but your message clearly suggest you DO NOT have IP 
>> forwarding enabled
>
> Interesting sysctl reports that forwarding is enabled:
>
> $ sysctl -a |grep forward
> net.inet.ip.forwarding: 1
>
it's not that. it's about routing, not ipfw forwarding

you need

IPFIREWALL_FORWARD

option in kernel.

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On Sat, 22 Nov 2008, Glen Barber wrote:

> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Pieter Donche  wrote:
>> On Sat, 22 Nov 2008, Glen Barber wrote:
>>
>>>> The PC with WMware is connect to internet. Should one configure
>>>> Ethernet then. If yes, what static IP parameters must one enter??
>>>
>>> This would be contingent on how you have networking set up.  Do you
>>> have NAT or Bridged only?  If NAT, use rc.conf with the inet address
>>> of your choice and the netmask for your NAT.
>>
>> My PC is connected to Internet using an ADSL modem to connect to an ISP.
>> It uses IP 10.0.0.somevalue, netmask 255.255.255.0, no gateway specified
>> and two DNS server IP addresses which my ISP asked to use.
>>
>> Is this 'NAT' or 'Bridged'.
>>
>
> You'd have to tell me; it's your VM. Check the network settings in the
> management interface.

(I previously installed an openSUSE 10.3 VM, and needed not enter any
TCP/IP parameter, and could use netwerking afterwards)

The default settings of my VMware are 
(from Edit / Virtual Network Editor)

Summary
Virt. Network - Summary - Subnet - DHCP
VMnet0 (Bridged) - Bridged to an automatically choosen adapter - -
VMnet1 (Host-only) - A private nw shared with the host - 192.168.72.0 - Enabled
VMnet8 (NAT) - Used to share the host's IP address - 192.168.173.0 - Enabled

Automatic Bridging
CHECKED: AUtomatically choose an available physical netwerk adapter to
bridge to VMnet0

Host Virtual Netwerk Mapping
VMnet0	Brigded to an automatically chosen adapter
     (here I can also select my physical network card)
VMnet1 VMware Network Adapter VMnet1 (only choice)
VMnet2 (and 3 to 7 and 9): Not bridged
     (here I can also select my physical network card)
VMnet8 VMware Network Adapter VMnet8 (only choice)

Host Virtual Adapters
Network Adpater                  Virt.Nw   Status
VMware Network Adapter VMnet1     VMnet1   Enabled
VMware Network Adapter VMnet8     VMnet8   Enabled

DHCP
Virtual Network	Subnet	Netmask	Description
VMnet1	192.168.72.0	255.255.255.0  vmnet1
VMnet8	192.168.137.0	255.255.255.0  vmnet8

NAT
VMnet host:  VMnet8
Gateway IP address  : 192.168.137.2   [ grey ]
Netmask:              255.255.255.0   [ grey ]
Nat Service
  Service Status: Started
  Service request: [ empty ]

>> Can I enter values and then what values, for host, domain, IPV4 gateway,
>> Name server, IPV4 address, netmask in the screen presented during FreeBSD
>> install
>> or should i use Cancel in that screen and make changes in system files (and
>> what changes in what system files)?
>>
>
> Either will work.
>
> -- 
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On Nov 22, 2008, at 10:37 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote:

>>> rule looks OK, but your message clearly suggest you DO NOT have IP  
>>> forwarding enabled
>>
>> Interesting sysctl reports that forwarding is enabled:
>>
>> $ sysctl -a |grep forward
>> net.inet.ip.forwarding: 1
>>
> it's not that. it's about routing, not ipfw forwarding
>
> you need
>
> IPFIREWALL_FORWARD
>
> option in kernel.

Thanks that was it. 

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At 06:57 AM 11/22/2008, Pieter Donche wrote:
>If one installs FreeBSD 7.0 in a VMWare box, the answer/choicde for
>'install boot manager' is this: Standard MBR ?
>
>The PC with WMware is connect to internet. Should one configure
>Ethernet then. If yes, what static IP parameters must one enter??

You need to be more specific.  Are you using ESX server or workstation?

As for the boot manager you can use it, or not.  Both work.

You can have the FreeBSD just use DHCP to get network settings.

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At 09:08 AM 11/21/2008, Ansar Mohammed wrote:
>Hello all
>
>We are considering using an application that uses FreeBSD web servers in
>front of Windows file servers. How reliable/scalable is the kernel SMB
>module?

You may want to use FreeNAS which is made for NAS using FreeBSD.

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At 09:21 AM 11/20/2008, David Horn wrote:
>On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 7:07 AM, Derek Ragona
> wrote:
> > At 12:50 PM 11/18/2008, David Horn wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 7:06 AM, Derek Ragona
> >  wrote:
> >> At 12:23 AM 11/18/2008, David Horn wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Derek Ragona
> >>  wrote:
> >>> I have FreeBSD 7.0 Release and if I mount_smbfs  a network NTFS share I
> >>> have
> >>> a 2 GB size limit on files.  I checked the handbook and list archives but
> >>> have not found a solution.
> >>
> >> I just ran a quick test, and was not able to reproduce this issue with
> >> the mount_smbfs from FreeBSD 7.0.  I tried against a Windows 2003
> >> Server SP2, Windows XP SP3, and Samba 3.0 {on FreeBSD 7} with a 3.5GB
> >> file.
> >>
> >> Was your issue with reading from or writing to a SMB share ?
> >>
> >> It was writing to a smb share.
> >>
> >>
> >> What is the server software and OS version ?
> >> (if Microsoft Windows, please include Service Pack number as well, as
> >> it might make a difference)
> >>
> >> Windows 2003 server 32bit.
> >>
> >> How much disk space is left on your server volume ?
> >>
> >> Over a terabyte free
> >>
> >> Are there disk quotas enabled on the server ?
> >>
> >> None
> >>
> >> What error message are you getting from your FreeBSD client (if any) ?
> >>
> >> No error message, it just stopped writing at 1 Gb.  I was doing this using
> >> scp.
> >
> > Whoa, hopefully you just made a few typos here, or we are going down
> > the wrong path of investigation.
> >
> > Did you really mean to say scp or cp ?
> >      scp(1)                   - secure copy (remote file copy program)
> >      cp(1)                    - copy files
> >
> > If you really meant scp, then the problem is not mount_smbfs, but
> > instead likely a buggy scp client or server (which does not use smb
> > for transport, but ssh)
> >
> > What is the exact byte count that your write stops at ?  You
> > originally stated 2GB, then 1GB.
> >
> >>
> >> Can you check the smb server logs and see if you are getting any error
> >> messages there ?
> >>
> >> Well I'm just mounting the volume to FreeBSD from the Windows server so
> >> not
> >> sure I'll find much in the logs besides the system log, but I will look.
> >>
> >> You may want to get a Wireshark trace and see if you can capture the
> >> SMB error message/error code.
> >>
> >> I have heard of people running into similar problems when running
> >> against older server software (NT 4.0/old samba) when the SMB session
> >> did not negotiate large file/large write support (a function of the
> >> SMB server capabilities session negotiation)
> >>
> >> I saw posts to that effect and that you needed samba 3.x to support large
> >> files sizes, and the lfs option.  But the mount_smbfs doesn't offer any
> >> large file option.
> >>
> >
> > Only bother with this next bit if you are morbidly curious as to how
> > things work rather than just want to solve your problem, as it gets
> > into the nitty gritty details of smb:
> >
> > mount_smbfs will allow for lfs (CAP_LARGE_FILE) automatically by
> > specifying it's dialect capabilities in the smb negotiation.
> >
> > If you umount your smb share, then start a tcpdump you can capture the
> > smb negotiation "Capabilities" bitmask to see if CAP_LARGE_FILE is
> > being negotiated - the server specifies this capability.  The client
> > just sends the dialects of smb supported.    For example:
> >
> > tcpdump -vvv -s 1500 -i em0 host server.example.com | grep Capabilities
> >
> > {  where em0 is the network interface in use on FreeBSD and
> > server.example.com is the hostname/ip address of your smb server  }
> >
> > Then do a mount of the smb share (while tcpdump is running) and you
> > should capture the Capabilities negotiated.
> >
> > For example:
> >
> > Capabilities=0x1F3FD
> >
> > If you decode the bitmask by using this reference :
> > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa302230.aspx {hint:  only
> > look at the last four bytes of the Capabilities line (e.g. F3FD in my
> > example)} Or if you have kernel source installed, you can look in
> > /usr/src/sys/netsmb/smb.h for the details.
> >
> >    - Capabilities: 0x0001F3FD
> >       RawMode:            (...............................1) Supports
> > SMB_COM_READ_RAW and SMB_COM_WRITE_RAW (CAP_RAW_MODE)
> >       MpxMode:            (..............................0.) No
> > Support for SMB_COM_READ_MPX or SMB_COM_WRITE_MPX (CAP_MPX_MODE)
> >       Unicode:            (.............................1..) Supports
> > Unicode Strings (CAP_UNICODE)
> >       LargeFiles:         (............................1...) Supports
> > large files with 64-bit offsets (CAP_LARGE_FILES)
> >       NTSMBs:             (...........................1....) Supports
> > SMB NTLM 0.12 dialect commands (implies CAP_NT_FIND) (CAP_NT_SMBS)
> >       RPCRemoteAPIs:      (..........................1.....) Supports
> > remote API requests using RPC over named pipe connections
> > (CAP_RPC_REMOTE_APIS)
> >       NTStatus:           (.........................1......) Can
> > respond with 32-bit NT status codes in Status (CAP_NT_STATUS)
> >       LevelIIOplocks:     (........................1.......) Supports
> > Level II oplocks ( CAP_LEVEL_II_OPLOCKS)
> >       LockAndRead:        (.......................1........) Supports
> > SMB_COM_LOCK_AND_READ and SMB_COM_WRITE_AND_UNLOCK (CAP_LOCK_AND_READ)
> >       NtFind:             (......................1.........) Supports
> > Windows NT information level requests (SMB_QUERY_?, SMB_SET_?)
> > (CAP_NT_FIND)
> >       Reserved_bits10_11: (....................00..........) Reserved
> >       Dfs:                (...................1............) This
> > server is Distributed File System (Dfs) aware (via
> > TRANS2_GET_DFS_REFERRAL) (CAP_DFS)
> >       InfolevelPassthru:  (..................1.............) Supports
> > Windows NT information level pass-through requests
> > [SMB_INFO_PASSTHROUGH] (CAP_INFOLEVEL_PASSTHRU)
> >       LargeReadx:         (.................1..............) Supports
> > large read operations (CAP_LARGE_READX)
> >       LargeWritex:        (................1...............) Supports
> > large write operations (CAP_LARGE_WRITEX)
> >       Lwio:               (...............1................) Reserved
> >
> > I tried your suggestions and when I checked the capabilities I got:
> >
> > # tcpdump -vvv -s 1500 -i em0 host filesrv | grep Capabilities
> > tcpdump: listening on em0, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 1500
> > bytes
> > Capabilities=0x1F3FD
> >
> > So it looks like the share is fine, and this is probably an scp issue.
> >
> > In a separate test I tried using a different scp application NOT under
> > FreeBSD and was able to copy the 32GB file to the this network share.
>
>This does not really tell us much other than scp can work with large
>files (which we knew)
>
>What ssh version is running on both of these "other" systems ?
>What OS are both of these other systems ?
>
> >
> > So it looks to me like there is some issue with the scp that is within
> > FreeBSD i386 7.
> >
>
>As per my previous message, I still suggest running single variable
>tests to make sure that you know what is causing the failure, but if
>you just want to jump to a possible solution, you can try updating ssh
>to the latest in the ports tree (5.0p1).
>
>If you have the FreeBSD ports collection installed and updated using
>portsnap(8) or csup(1) , just do:
>
>cd /usr/ports/security/openssh-portable
>make install
>
>Otherwise, install / update your ports collection using portsnap(8)
>(fetch update or fetch extract) first, then install openssh-portable.
>
>Good Luck.
>
>---Dave

Dave,

I repeated my scp test it was still broken.

So I installed the port, and had the same broken result.  Interestingly 
though, I can watch the scp write a file bigger than the 2GB while doing 
the copy.  But once the copy is done the file is truncated to 2GB.  I saw 
this with both the base scp and the port.  If I cp the 32GB file from one 
location to another all on the same network share, it all gets copied.  So 
there is some bug in scp when it finishes a copy.

         -Derek

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Hi to all

The server is give this error whenever i want to start apache22.  why?
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Derek Ragona wrote:

> You can have the FreeBSD just use DHCP to get network settings.
> 
>         -Derek

And the magic incantation for that is:

if0="DHCP"

   in /etc/rc.conf, where "if0" is the ID string for
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tethys ocean wrote:
> Hi to all
>=20
> The server is give this error whenever i want to start apache22.  why?
> regards
>=20

Because something's wrong.

	Cheers,

	Matthew

What? Not enough of an answer?  It's all the answer anyone can give
considering the parcity of information you supply in your question.
To debug this properly could require any or all of:

   * your httpd.conf
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        ldd /usr/local/sbin/httpd

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I have no idea since any other people doing something but i dont know
exactly  according to their claim he doing some stuff with python  for web
and i suppose he want to restart apache

python perl etc all packet is installed.



On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 9:36 PM, Kevin Kinsey  wrote:

> tethys ocean wrote:
>
>> Hi to all
>>
>> The server is give this error whenever i want to start apache22.  why?
>> regards
>>
>
> Well, there could be any number of reasons why this happens.
> In my experience, it's because you have Apache loading a
> broken or incompatible module.  Have you recently rebuilt
> Apache, or some other module (like Perl, PHP, Python) that
> is used by Apache?
>
> Kevin Kinsey
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tethys ocean wrote:
> Hi to all
> 
> The server is give this error whenever i want to start apache22.  why?
> regards

Well, there could be any number of reasons why this happens.
In my experience, it's because you have Apache loading a
broken or incompatible module.  Have you recently rebuilt
Apache, or some other module (like Perl, PHP, Python) that
is used by Apache?

Kevin Kinsey
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apache-2.2.9_5                      =   up-to-date with port
autoconf-2.62                       =   up-to-date with port
db41-4.1.25_4                       =   up-to-date with port
gd-2.0.35,1                         =   up-to-date with port
gdbm-1.8.3_3                        =   up-to-date with port
irc-2.11.2p1                        =   up-to-date with port
ircii-20060725_1                    =   up-to-date with port
nano-2.0.9                          =   up-to-date with port
p5-HTML-Template-2.9_1              =   up-to-date with port
portupgrade-2.4.6,2                 =   up-to-date with port
py25-MySQLdb-1.2.2                  =   up-to-date with port
py25-bsddb-2.5.2_2                  =   up-to-date with port
py25-django-1.0.1                   =   up-to-date with port
py25-flup-1.0.1                     =   up-to-date with port
py25-gdbm-2.5.2                     =   up-to-date with port
python25-2.5.2_3                    =   up-to-date with port
rsync-3.0.4                         =   up-to-date with port
ruby-1.8.6.287,1                    =   up-to-date with port
ruby18-bdb-0.6.4                    =   up-to-date with port
tcl-8.4.19,1                        =   up-to-date with port
unzip-5.52_5                        =   up-to-date with port
webalizer-2.20.1_2                  =   up-to-date with port


On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 9:39 PM, Matthew Seaman <
m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk> wrote:

> tethys ocean wrote:
>
>> Hi to all
>>
>> The server is give this error whenever i want to start apache22.  why?
>> regards
>>
>>
> Because something's wrong.
>
>        Cheers,
>
>        Matthew
>
> What? Not enough of an answer?  It's all the answer anyone can give
> considering the parcity of information you supply in your question.
> To debug this properly could require any or all of:
>
>  * your httpd.conf
>  * the output of
>       ldd /usr/local/sbin/httpd


/usr/local/sbin/httpd:
        libm.so.4 => /lib/libm.so.4 (0x280c7000)
        libaprutil-1.so.3 => /usr/local/lib/libaprutil-1.so.3 (0x280dd000)
        libdb41.so.1 => /usr/local/lib/libdb41.so.1 (0x280f7000)
        libexpat.so.6 => /usr/local/lib/libexpat.so.6 (0x28194000)
        libiconv.so.3 => /usr/local/lib/libiconv.so.3 (0x281b2000)
        libapr-1.so.3 => /usr/local/lib/libapr-1.so.3 (0x2829f000)
        libcrypt.so.3 => /lib/libcrypt.so.3 (0x282c1000)
        libpthread.so.2 => /lib/libpthread.so.2 (0x282d9000)
        libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x282fe000)



>
>
>  * a traceback from httpd.core, although this won't be much use unless
>    you've compiled httpd with debug symbols.


 locate httpd.core
/usr/local/etc/rc.d/httpd.core
/usr/ports/distfiles/tmp/lib/httpd.core




>
>  * the result of running:
>
>       truss -f /usr/local/sbin/httpd {+ any other arguments you usually
> use}


truss -f /usr/local/sbin/httpd
truss: cannot open /proc/curproc/mem: No such file or directory
truss: cannot open1 /proc/61323/mem: No such file or directory



>
>
>  * If you're using mod_php, then the contents of
>  /usr/local/etc/php/extensions.ini


extension=bcmath.so
extension=bz2.so
extension=calendar.so
extension=ctype.so
extension=curl.so
extension=pcre.so
extension=simplexml.so
extension=spl.so
extension=dom.so
extension=filter.so
extension=gd.so
extension=gettext.so
extension=hash.so
extension=iconv.so
extension=json.so
extension=mbstring.so
extension=mcrypt.so
extension=mysql.so
extension=pdo.so
extension=pdo_sqlite.so
extension=posix.so
extension=session.so
extension=sockets.so
extension=sqlite.so
extension=tokenizer.so
extension=xml.so
extension=xmlreader.so
extension=xmlwriter.so



>
>
> --
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>


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On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:53:02 +0200, "tethys ocean"  wrote:
> I have no idea since any other people doing something but i dont know
> exactly according to their claim he doing some stuff with python for
> web and i suppose he want to restart apache

Maybe it's a good idea to avoid messing up with this particular Apache
instance then.  If you don't know how it has been installed, and you
cannot find out, and you are only guessing that a restart should fix
things, then don't do that...  Geez :P



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i found something from bash_hist. he deinstall all pkg. (apache php and
python) while he is upgrade.  i ve reinstall apache22 and port upgraded.
than now i will reinstall all deinstalled package and fix it



On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Giorgos Keramidas <
keramida@ceid.upatras.gr> wrote:

> On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:53:02 +0200, "tethys ocean" 
> wrote:
> > I have no idea since any other people doing something but i dont know
> > exactly according to their claim he doing some stuff with python for
> > web and i suppose he want to restart apache
>
> Maybe it's a good idea to avoid messing up with this particular Apache
> instance then.  If you don't know how it has been installed, and you
> cannot find out, and you are only guessing that a restart should fix
> things, then don't do that...  Geez :P
>
>
>


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i update my kernel and userland like above:

# make buildkernel KERNCONF=TEST
#make installkernel KERNCONF=TEST
#make buildworld
#pwd
/usr/src
#reboot

#sockstat
sockstat: struct xtcpcb size mismatch
sockstat: struct xinpcb size mismatch
sockstat: struct xunpcb size mismatch
sockstat: struct xunpcb size mismatch
USER     COMMAND    PID   FD PROTO  LOCAL ADDRESS         FOREIGN 
ADDRESS   
#

is this a bug?

Paul B. Mahol wrote:
> On 11/22/08, x03ml  wrote:
>   
>> hello list!
>> i have this error running sockstat:
>>
>> # sockstat
>> sockstat: struct xtcpcb size mismatch
>> sockstat: struct xinpcb size mismatch
>> sockstat: struct xunpcb size mismatch
>> sockstat: struct xunpcb size mismatch
>>     
>
> Your kernel and world are not it sync.
>
>   


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What Unix program sends email directly, using the MX record of the
recipient, instead of using sendmail or an installed MTA?

I realize I could tweak sendmail.cf/etc to do this, but that's not
working in my (fairly unusual) special situation.

I also realize that sending email directly is normally "bad", but I'm
testing something.

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On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:43:21 +0000, x03ml  wrote:
> i update my kernel and userland like above:
> 
> # make buildkernel KERNCONF=TEST
> #make installkernel KERNCONF=TEST
> #make buildworld
> #pwd
> /usr/src
> #reboot

According to the handbook, this is not completely correct.
First of all, I do miss the mergemaster calls. But if kernel
and world are of the same version, you should have both
synchronized in the way needed. This would not explain your
sockstat problem. But I'd recommend to read the section
about updating in the handbook and exactly following the
instructions - just in case.




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On 11/22/08, x03ml  wrote:
> i update my kernel and userland like above:
>
> # make buildkernel KERNCONF=TEST
> #make installkernel KERNCONF=TEST
> #make buildworld
> #pwd
> /usr/src
> #reboot

boot -s {boot into single user mode}

# cd /usr/src
# megemaster -p
# make installworld
# mergmaster
# reboot

Read handbook, section 21.4.1 for explanation.

>
> #sockstat
> sockstat: struct xtcpcb size mismatch
> sockstat: struct xinpcb size mismatch
> sockstat: struct xunpcb size mismatch
> sockstat: struct xunpcb size mismatch
> USER     COMMAND    PID   FD PROTO  LOCAL ADDRESS         FOREIGN
> ADDRESS
> #
>
> is this a bug?
>
> Paul B. Mahol wrote:
>> On 11/22/08, x03ml  wrote:
>>
>>> hello list!
>>> i have this error running sockstat:
>>>
>>> # sockstat
>>> sockstat: struct xtcpcb size mismatch
>>> sockstat: struct xinpcb size mismatch
>>> sockstat: struct xunpcb size mismatch
>>> sockstat: struct xunpcb size mismatch
>>>
>>
>> Your kernel and world are not it sync.
>>
>>
>
>
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:16:56 -0700
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> What Unix program sends email directly, using the MX record of the
> recipient, instead of using sendmail or an installed MTA?
> 
> I realize I could tweak sendmail.cf/etc to do this, but that's not
> working in my (fairly unusual) special situation.
> 
> I also realize that sending email directly is normally "bad", but I'm
> testing something.

See if ssmtp in ports does what you need.

If that's still not direct enough, there's always telnet.  SMTP conversations
aren't really that difficult to simulate.

-Bill

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Polytropon said the following on 11/22/2008 10:20 PM:
> On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:43:21 +0000, x03ml  wrote:
>    
>> i update my kernel and userland like above:
>>
>> # make buildkernel KERNCONF=TEST
>> #make installkernel KERNCONF=TEST
>> #make buildworld
>> #pwd
>> /usr/src
>> #reboot
>>      
>
> According to the handbook, this is not completely correct.
> First of all, I do miss the mergemaster calls. But if kernel
> and world are of the same version, you should have both
> synchronized in the way needed. This would not explain your
> sockstat problem. But I'd recommend to read the section
> about updating in the handbook and exactly following the
> instructions - just in case.
>    
The buildworld should proceed the buildkernel

make buildworld
make buildkernel
make installkernel
reboot
make installworld.

Peter
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	is there a push button way of turning an odt file or plain ascii file
	into HTML using openoffice?

	i've googled, but haven't found anything.  

	tia,

	gary



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On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:43:14 -0800, Gary Kline  wrote:
> 	is there a push button way of turning an odt file or plain ascii file
> 	into HTML using openoffice?

I#ve got no OpenOffice here, but maybe File / Save as... and then
file format set to HTML? Or maybe File / Export? I think at least
StarOffice had such kind of functionality, so OpenOffice should
have, too.


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> The server is give this error whenever i want to start apache22.  why?
> regards

no idea,but most probably you use PHP and added lots of it's modules, some 
of them crashes

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On Nov 22, 2008, at 4:43 PM, Gary Kline wrote:

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> 	is there a push button way of turning an odt file or plain ascii file
> 	into HTML using openoffice?
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> 	i've googled, but haven't found anything.
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> 	tia,
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If all else fails, you can always cut & paste into vi.

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Gary Kline  writes:

> 	is there a push button way of turning an odt file or plain ascii file
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> 	i've googled, but haven't found anything.  

In OO 3

File->Export->File Format -> html/xhtml



hth


Glyn

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On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 01:43:14PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
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For converting plain text you could use this: http://txt2html.sourceforge.n=
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What is the output of the command php -v ?
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	can somebody help me catch the OOo "'" (aposhtrophe)?  It's a triplet
	of the hex chars, xe2, x80, x90, which should be seeable by getchar()
	[[or *not*?]].  The octal are 0342, 0200, and 0220.

	The first is, is a-circumflex.  Why doesn't 

		if ((ch1 = getchar()) == '\0342') or, more simply,
		if ((ch1 = getchar()) == '\342')
	catch the first?  Is getchar limited to only 7 bytes??

	tx,

	gary



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Gary Kline writes:

>  	can somebody help me catch the OOo "'" (aposhtrophe)?  It's a triplet
>  	of the hex chars, xe2, x80, x90, which should be seeable by getchar()
>  	[[or *not*?]].  The octal are 0342, 0200, and 0220.
>  
>  	The first is, is a-circumflex.  Why doesn't 
>  
>  		if ((ch1 = getchar()) == '\0342') or, more simply,
>  		if ((ch1 = getchar()) == '\342')
>  	catch the first?  Is getchar limited to only 7 bytes??

	Perhaps you want getwc()?


			Robert Huff