From owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 14 10:12:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19C661065675 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 10:12:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (unknown [65.122.17.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEF008FC1C for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 10:12:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [65.122.17.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882B246B23; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 06:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 11:12:46 +0100 (BST) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: mouss In-Reply-To: <48CC26A7.6020407@netoyen.net> Message-ID: References: <48CB52AE.6070501@arca.am> <20080913063522.GA3784@lithium.delete.org> <48CC26A7.6020407@netoyen.net> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (BSF 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-security@freebsd.org, Khachatur Shahinyan , Toby Burress Subject: Re: Freebsd auto locking users X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 10:12:47 -0000 On Sat, 13 Sep 2008, mouss wrote: >> A quick search doesn't show me any port for enforcing password age. For >> what it's worth, I once emailed Bruce Schneier about the effectiveness of >> that and he said he never changed his passwords (based on age, anyway). >> But there's probably something. > > Given that it's not easy to select a good password (both strong and easy to > remember), password expiration sometimes result in weak passwords or in > forgotten ones. or if no measure is taken against, people change to old > ones. > > http://www.cryptosmith.com/sanity/expharmful.html > http://www.rsa.com/blog/blog_entry.aspx?id=1286 > http://www.cerias.purdue.edu/site/blog/post/password-change-myths/P50/ > > and the other side has its proponents of course: > > http://lopsa.org/node/29 While these complaints about password expiration are certainly true, it seems like a common policy required by many sites, and failing to be able to support that policy will limit our ability to run at those sites. It would be nice if we could complete the implementation of some of those password-related policies. Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge