From owner-freebsd-xen@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 24 11:07:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-xen@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 599E410656A6 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:07:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4859D8FC38 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:07:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n7OB78G1048803 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:07:08 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n7OB77LU048799 for freebsd-xen@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:07:07 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:07:07 GMT Message-Id: <200908241107.n7OB77LU048799@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: gnats set sender to owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-xen@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Current problem reports assigned to freebsd-xen@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of the freebsd port to xen - implementation and usage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:07:08 -0000 Note: to view an individual PR, use: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=(number). The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o kern/136251 xen [xen] [patch] xn0 doesn't DHCP o kern/135421 xen [xen] FreeBSD Xen PVM DomU network failure - netfronc. o kern/135179 xen [xen] Xen domU does not properly reboot o kern/135178 xen [xen] Xen domU outgoing data transfer stall when TSO i o kern/135069 xen [xen] FreeBSD-current/Xen SMP doesn't function at all o kern/135008 xen [xen] FreeBSD-current/Xen timecounter jumps o kern/134926 xen [xen] [panic] FreeBSD-current Xen DomU networking pani 7 problems total. From owner-freebsd-xen@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 24 13:41:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC3EE106568B; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:41:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xen@komadev.de) Received: from zim.freshx.de (zim.freshx.de [83.137.99.113]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EB9A8FC17; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:41:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by zim.freshx.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 660738C0151; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:23:11 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zim.freshx.de Received: from zim.freshx.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zim.freshx.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MTWp0ePp-dly; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:23:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from zim.freshx.de (zim.freshx.de [192.168.92.113]) by zim.freshx.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E78A8C014D; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:23:05 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:23:05 +0200 (CEST) From: Kai Mosebach To: Adrian Chadd Message-ID: <14889119.2221251120185215.JavaMail.root@zim.freshx.de> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: [129.132.228.140] X-Mailer: Zimbra 5.0.11_GA_2695.RHEL5 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Mac)/5.0.11_GA_2695.RHEL5) Cc: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Subject: Re: finishing up the xen port - would funding help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of the freebsd port to xen - implementation and usage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:42:00 -0000 Hi, i guess a lot of us feel the same (mainly sadness) about the progress here = and a lot of us have to feed penguins meanwhile... I personally think, that the virtualization technology in general is one of= the key technologies of tomorrow and therefore it makes me even more sad, = that FreeBSD fell back that much these days (years!). Therefore i ask myself whether this should be a major project in general an= d maybe the best way to push it (along with all the administrative and long= term problem) might be to get support from the FreeBSD Foundation, which su= ccessfully enabled Java for BSD some months ago (another key technology as = i think). Otherwise it is very unprobably (in my eyes) that the little daem= on ever will be playing in the ongoing cloud game and everything behind, wh= ich IS and WOULD BE a shame! Maybe some of the core ppl can raise awareness here? Best Kai ----- "Adrian Chadd" schrieb: > Including me, as a developer. >=20 >=20 >=20 > adrian >=20 > 2009/8/22 Randy Bush : > >> 2) Individual monetary contributions cannot be by default handled > by > >> some proxy person (without much legal footwork); they will need to > go > >> directly from the source to the developer. > > > > a number of us have legal business fronts that could be used in > > pass-through mode. =C2=A0let's not worry about administrivia. > > > > randy > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-xen@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-xen > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-xen-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-xen@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-xen > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-xen-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-xen@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 24 13:59:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE787106568F for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:59:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f171.google.com (mail-pz0-f171.google.com [209.85.222.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815588FC0C for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:59:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk1 with SMTP id 1so44702pzk.3 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 06:59:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3ArUcG8gYw+jXBOyLDtt+hP8ugsZjpcDXIKwdBNwZc8=; b=jVmeVwR4LSsKrAcq/dpY8JS6EMwNXb4GZ/2qBClvbLR9on0Mv5oLZ6WG4913wpUD0C q5S2W6XHS2IlgpNSULo3H84WuhjJfW8o0DvPi4ObRU5ZnPiG1v2293cGqQJYiq0QDQwt vNtvHn7u0m1xN7exXiI2nGbpoEA9ND2ZgGSPU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=TnOH71vqtyJ8Tb0S+pAnx87bs9bvPRlbuNzrPBZ9VYBicuu6PBeKuH4fAVoFaDixFK rIxAREAvJNrtkWRPdMlnM5arLNGKGzHILY+deVPh7d8/HCqtYM6jeX/h7Q7Cn6e3yOhN Nk3X/1WFz2XhNvS59iOEISYJVReD2uRlXjn+I= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.115.81.38 with SMTP id i38mr1916074wal.215.1251122340311; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 06:59:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <14889119.2221251120185215.JavaMail.root@zim.freshx.de> References: <14889119.2221251120185215.JavaMail.root@zim.freshx.de> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:59:00 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a09afdfbaa57d1e4 Message-ID: From: Adrian Chadd To: Kai Mosebach Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Subject: Re: finishing up the xen port - would funding help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of the freebsd port to xen - implementation and usage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:59:01 -0000 The best thing users can do is -tell- the FreeBSD foundation that they're interested in this and in what way they're interested. If you're a company that is or would like to be deploying FreeBSD on Xen, you should also do this. Adrian 2009/8/24 Kai Mosebach : > Hi, > > i guess a lot of us feel the same (mainly sadness) about the progress her= e and a lot of us have to feed penguins meanwhile... > > I personally think, that the virtualization technology in general is one = of the key technologies of tomorrow and therefore it makes me even more sad= , that FreeBSD fell back that much these days (years!). > > Therefore i ask myself whether this should be a major project in general = and maybe the best way to push it (along with all the administrative and lo= ngterm problem) might be to get support from the FreeBSD Foundation, which = successfully enabled Java for BSD some months ago (another key technology a= s i think). Otherwise it is very unprobably (in my eyes) that the little da= emon ever will be playing in the ongoing cloud game and everything behind, = which IS and WOULD BE a shame! > > Maybe some of the core ppl can raise awareness here? > > Best Kai > > > ----- "Adrian Chadd" schrieb: > >> Including me, as a developer. >> >> >> >> adrian >> >> 2009/8/22 Randy Bush : >> >> 2) Individual monetary contributions cannot be by default handled >> by >> >> some proxy person (without much legal footwork); they will need to >> go >> >> directly from the source to the developer. >> > >> > a number of us have legal business fronts that could be used in >> > pass-through mode. =A0let's not worry about administrivia. >> > >> > randy >> > _______________________________________________ >> > freebsd-xen@freebsd.org mailing list >> > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-xen >> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-xen-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-xen@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-xen >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-xen-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-xen@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 24 18:04:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6185106568B for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:04:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f202.google.com (mail-yw0-f202.google.com [209.85.211.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA0A8FC0A for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:04:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh40 with SMTP id 40so3612775ywh.14 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:04:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=lw3ZQdI6oC3GlIwlAQp7H/4EC0DgZgDVaEaCRD1OQ+Y=; b=jwDA7oRfxqV/Gzh+ZF0fj6e0SJE9aGamY9QwFmu+V01XnJJAFFemsatg2bScCqADq4 KspL7YSMUmeu9Cmu0E5MInZ3WNj/5NR3bLnyYqDaCMlaz6Joxu+n5dhLL8hQhu+3V2Zb 0hJqqT6/OvboBnvT0VD786YjNGS7syfz25aEU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=SbehhCUSeF+6b6grYxHAnVnIy7S3b+Oot1S0crP5f9u42Ek/w6dP5gh/HkZ4lViUc2 rfyJic2fD20c0Y7OD+X7FpLmwtt9pXH+0Zb9vNHl8DqnFlXtuuhSWq/fPI2hukAIDkok qD/WXslN1QDJQljabUePaWhPswcuHTKiDbyts= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.183.1 with SMTP id k1mr5052787anp.18.1251135601783; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 10:40:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <14889119.2221251120185215.JavaMail.root@zim.freshx.de> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:40:01 -0600 Message-ID: From: Tim Judd To: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: finishing up the xen port - would funding help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of the freebsd port to xen - implementation and usage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:04:26 -0000 I've kept quiet, but I wonder why we're feeding penguins for dom0, when netbsd has dom0 support since 4.0 Why are we feeding penguins, when support is already in the BSD's? Can't we use NetBSD's Xen knowhow to bring FreeBSD into it? Any insight would be a nice starter. --Tim From owner-freebsd-xen@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 24 22:06:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C69451065693 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:06:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lsc@prgmr.com) Received: from luke.xen.prgmr.com (luke.xen.prgmr.com [38.99.2.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3ACF8FC1C for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:06:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by luke.xen.prgmr.com (Postfix, from userid 500) id 18817104004; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:06:49 -0400 (EDT) To: Tim Judd References: <14889119.2221251120185215.JavaMail.root@zim.freshx.de> From: Luke S Crawford Date: 24 Aug 2009 18:06:48 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lines: 22 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Subject: Re: finishing up the xen port - would funding help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of the freebsd port to xen - implementation and usage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:06:30 -0000 Tim Judd writes: > > > > I've kept quiet, but I wonder why we're feeding penguins for dom0, > when netbsd has dom0 support since 4.0 I started out using NetBSD3 xen2 - it worked beautifully but didn't support x86_64 or i386PAE, so I switched to a Linux Dom0 so I could use servers with more than 4GiB ram. With NetBSD 5 being out, those problems are now solved. It's just inertia at this point; I'm considering NetBSD for my next dom0. But yeah, not supporting more than 4GiB ram was a big blocker. Inertia from that is probably why NetBSD Dom0s are not so popular right now. -- Luke S. Crawford http://prgmr.com/xen/ - Hosting for the technically adept http://nostarch.com/xen.htm - We don't assume you are stupid. From owner-freebsd-xen@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 25 00:13:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61BB1106568C for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:13:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F5368FC21 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:13:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=rmac.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Mfjet-0007x4-Hd; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:13:07 +0000 Received: from rmac.wdcguest.wdc.sri.com.psg.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rmac.psg.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F20329804D1; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:13:07 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:13:06 +0900 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Tim Judd In-Reply-To: References: <14889119.2221251120185215.JavaMail.root@zim.freshx.de> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.5 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Subject: Re: finishing up the xen port - would funding help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of the freebsd port to xen - implementation and usage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:13:09 -0000 > I've kept quiet, but I wonder why we're feeding penguins for dom0, > when netbsd has dom0 support since 4.0 i need the file system flexibility of zfs. nothing in netbsd. penguin has lvm, which gets a lot of what one needs. randy From owner-freebsd-xen@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 25 01:29:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C532106568C for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:29:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from n15.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (n15.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 305B48FC0C for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:29:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [68.142.200.224] by n15.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2009 01:15:27 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.253] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2009 01:15:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp414.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2009 01:15:27 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 602463.37353.bm@omp414.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 3641 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2009 01:15:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.65?) (kudzu@75.37.13.161 with plain) by smtp116.plus.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2009 01:15:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: k4C97fyswBAo4_QR92g75F7pxSozrQ-- X-YMail-OSG: 1jVnqOAVM1kmPUfizlv1V0ZcyzY.7dp92InAxL.Lf8NYkRJFEiwAzFDpZZFA5b3O1AvOlOHvukxgPh7sW3g0PWeaLfH6j8Xe8eeVtfT1oMnKBy7mYx9VAT96B8hn0zwEbo9dgZnPdRc5hPkb5Xh50iCVgkMaiqXsLAitpH1ZldbSk9_95AgSTVaRI_ZmDSeCyEAK0vBMQpm70gUKIhD6S.CIZPt.668bkEolD6qL06v8m66crlJccQEQHM1zfXV6x48- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4A933B27.1080501@tenebras.com> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:15:19 -0700 From: Michael Sierchio User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org References: <14889119.2221251120185215.JavaMail.root@zim.freshx.de> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: finishing up the xen port - would funding help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: kudzu@tenebras.com List-Id: Discussion of the freebsd port to xen - implementation and usage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:29:14 -0000 Randy Bush wrote: >> I've kept quiet, but I wonder why we're feeding penguins for dom0, >> when netbsd has dom0 support since 4.0 For my part, I am much more concerned with getting a working domU for i386 and amd64 than with *BSD as a dom0. From owner-freebsd-xen@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 25 22:27:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E270106568C for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:27:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f180.google.com (mail-px0-f180.google.com [209.85.216.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB2B8FC19 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:27:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi10 with SMTP id 10so6443336pxi.28 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:27:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=H+2zIVpwRw+XNay3jAN8gYd9OstQFPD83q3/CZw/084=; b=BFhcuvsFEB4MXRZwOAxYA5N9AhZz8YB7ggCnWT9KG+bZPvozyDcRkUMDFj+levV2ck lsQd7EroyAJ2PahgsseLfYqz1Sj39IBtxKH/1YyAaZzJwdXXeK3YhbZENFA9Ga2ORdNo 3Rhs6ipkpdIVAL7wpAjTLGWR156yY2JMoo180= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=RrSaF+Mx4BZ36QEDGydmXJy2gGviSEtojqpnJYvzmTSyH493+oqBAcGvzdOKw+PGqT w7yd9ls796Jw2JAAQUch1r59zkJLUYefvRUabwQOugznemHvn/LJsRT1g1vXXiLmA4XV Hrj8kTNEJ5fL36dFATWYD8dppp1YU553eqGvM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.115.116.4 with SMTP id t4mr988628wam.106.1251239223717; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:27:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A933B27.1080501@tenebras.com> References: <14889119.2221251120185215.JavaMail.root@zim.freshx.de> <4A933B27.1080501@tenebras.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:27:03 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 360add7dd3d8e04b Message-ID: From: Adrian Chadd To: kudzu@tenebras.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Subject: Re: finishing up the xen port - would funding help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of the freebsd port to xen - implementation and usage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:27:04 -0000 Ok, there's enough interest at the moment for me to dedicate some cycles again. As I said earlier, my main concern isn't getting the port up to date, its making certain that there's enough support and investment from interested parties in making sure its kept alive. Let me organise some kind of portable Xen hacking device.. Adrian 2009/8/25 Michael Sierchio : > Randy Bush wrote: >>> I've kept quiet, but I wonder why we're feeding penguins for dom0, >>> when netbsd has dom0 support since 4.0 > > For my part, I am much more concerned with getting a working domU > for i386 and amd64 than with *BSD as a dom0. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-xen@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-xen > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-xen-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-xen@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 26 06:19:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05DFD106568E for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:19:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mdc@prgmr.com) Received: from mail.prgmr.com (mail.prgmr.com [64.62.173.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E178FC0C for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:19:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from frylock.local (c-71-202-68-54.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [71.202.68.54]) by mail.prgmr.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B7B68B5B for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A94CD0D.8070902@prgmr.com> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:50:05 -0700 From: Michael David Crawford Organization: Prgmr.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org References: <77abe410908211256g44dd20d8o9b50c20357e63a6b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: finishing up the xen port - would funding help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of the freebsd port to xen - implementation and usage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:19:07 -0000 Luke S Crawford wrote: > I could also scrape up some cash. > (unfortunately, my own budget isn't as flush as it was a few months ago, > when I tried to set one of my friends on the project.) That friend would be me (no relation). I'm afraid I didn't get very far at the time, in part because I had a lot of trouble coming to grips with Xen, and because I had never done any FreeBSD kernel programming before. I would be happy to continue with the work as a volunteer. I'd like to actually contribute some real code so as to finally earn all the money Luke paid me. I've been reading McKusick's book on The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System. It is very good; I expect I will be able to do some meaningful kernel hacking once I finish reading it. I gave up on Xen entirely for a while, as I had intended to use it for a project of my own but just couldn't get it to do what I need. But the Xen kernel and Linux Dom0 continue to be actively developed, so I'm intending to give it another try. I do have experience with kernel and driver programming on Mac OS X and with embedded systems. I am also a wizard at debugging - I was once on a team at Apple that specialized in fixing the most difficult bugs in the Classic Mac OS. I have also done a lot of storage and FireWire work. I have a Core 2 Quad Xeon box that runs Fedora 11, as well as a Core 2 Duo box that Luke lent me, that runs FreeBSD CURRENT. My intention for that box has been to learn FreeBSD kernel hacking by fixing some of the existing bugs on real hardware. That's just a step in the process of learning how to hack FreeBSD's DomU support. Ever Faithful, Mike -- Michael David Crawford mdc@prgmr.com prgmr.com - We Don't Assume You Are Stupid. Xen-Powered Virtual Private Servers: http://prgmr.com/xen From owner-freebsd-xen@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 26 23:00:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1662106568C for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2009 23:00:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f180.google.com (mail-px0-f180.google.com [209.85.216.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93B7F8FC21 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2009 23:00:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi10 with SMTP id 10so633825pxi.28 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:00:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/lCxdTHem6PO3j+hZI3eMyJ1kc5o5I1tuN9NO4xsn0E=; b=aQYsHUR2EOXxnUMPMVjW8B6uHFeNc0xrbKpMwrnLAUDyU5uidbJU+l41Le2L77EbiP X4b2AUgHXWO60ddaU30Rb1uW8rfD+Fphmf3aQw1vXf6SQBgRI2VvPy3KB330B+2L0sNh EwddQqZrDmbwXhrSpT6HEAehZpiNaC/hokBRI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=tEXx1KvyBHePL3bOXXClS0yL2cfkRhbj+KI1zmPN/80fcrKmNGs0exkGNt61lzqOmc wgh7qxVjmXZTmgAwKAhKIHhKpgo/Ht9lztIOb3QVw1blEkO3IqB0FpJrlhQBxCRbw8BF 4XFiHh2hymQ0g0Zw3dyK4PTKKoWgEegiafKFk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.115.102.16 with SMTP id e16mr10619192wam.202.1251327654764; Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:00:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A94CD0D.8070902@prgmr.com> References: <77abe410908211256g44dd20d8o9b50c20357e63a6b@mail.gmail.com> <4A94CD0D.8070902@prgmr.com> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:00:52 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 788c73ca8c35902c Message-ID: From: Adrian Chadd To: Michael David Crawford Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Subject: Re: finishing up the xen port - would funding help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of the freebsd port to xen - implementation and usage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 23:00:55 -0000 Give me a few days to get stuff together here and I'll see what I can do in -head. Thanks for all your offers of support. adrian 2009/8/26 Michael David Crawford : > Luke S Crawford wrote: >> >> I could also scrape up some cash. =A0(unfortunately, my own budget isn't= as >> flush as it was a few months ago, >> when I tried to set one of my friends on the project.) > > That friend would be me (no relation). > > I'm afraid I didn't get very far at the time, in part because I had a lot= of > trouble coming to grips with Xen, and because I had never done any FreeBS= D > kernel programming before. > > I would be happy to continue with the work as a volunteer. =A0I'd like to > actually contribute some real code so as to finally earn all the money Lu= ke > paid me. > > I've been reading McKusick's book on The Design and Implementation of the > FreeBSD Operating System. =A0It is very good; I expect I will be able to = do > some meaningful kernel hacking once I finish reading it. > > I gave up on Xen entirely for a while, as I had intended to use it for a > project of my own but just couldn't get it to do what I need. =A0But the = Xen > kernel and Linux Dom0 continue to be actively developed, so I'm intending= to > give it another try. > > I do have experience with kernel and driver programming on Mac OS X and w= ith > embedded systems. =A0I am also a wizard at debugging - I was once on a te= am at > Apple that specialized in fixing the most difficult bugs in the Classic M= ac > OS. =A0I have also done a lot of storage and FireWire work. > > I have a Core 2 Quad Xeon box that runs Fedora 11, as well as a Core 2 Du= o > box that Luke lent me, that runs FreeBSD CURRENT. =A0My intention for tha= t box > has been to learn FreeBSD kernel hacking by fixing some of the existing b= ugs > on real hardware. =A0That's just a step in the process of learning how to= hack > FreeBSD's DomU support. > > Ever Faithful, > > Mike > -- > Michael David Crawford > mdc@prgmr.com > > =A0 prgmr.com - We Don't Assume You Are Stupid. > > =A0 =A0 =A0Xen-Powered Virtual Private Servers: http://prgmr.com/xen > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-xen@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-xen > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-xen-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-xen@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 28 23:18:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C42C7106566B for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:18:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f172.google.com (mail-pz0-f172.google.com [209.85.222.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 990E28FC15 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:18:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk2 with SMTP id 2so2346324pzk.28 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:18:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; bh=8e+fSGseRYhP5ZLvtjpk4s/Bn6x5H7snS2nrPHguzZ8=; b=rmp50f6Q6l/KVHC+vr09R06YFTuzuPt3ThMte9q+LSUVTWo273bQZMSMw4VQPQuIJj b0v48etbbefLFJ87EJ2FTohx2eXyTtBsqQ7o6JUJSqInK1GmMPl/wKVK5W7b47CgH98r IiGheygeT9F6Hoanqab2DyvgKGotVOKkWGMoI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=c+wXXyrBrtoSAx7GNfp3E2R7mLWdkoktXp8yL5YqsYuqnwylzHIDxHkEREerQKjpqY s5Vkb9t021XqhUneAGoHZWck3f0YCQYBkkEn3tDKBataxo0eghvenHY+7VqOCMUNDmTJ 0F3qGPHBlSo8GqAIWS4Qz13Jda2F8NoM6kh38= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.140.193.4 with SMTP id q4mr798241rvf.1.1251501488178; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:18:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <77abe410908211256g44dd20d8o9b50c20357e63a6b@mail.gmail.com> References: <77abe410908211256g44dd20d8o9b50c20357e63a6b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 07:18:08 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 889645941d294c94 Message-ID: From: Adrian Chadd To: Florian Heigl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Subject: Re: finishing up the xen port - would funding help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of the freebsd port to xen - implementation and usage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:18:08 -0000 G'day, To everyone involved, including those I've already spoken to privately. I think the best thing you all can do is talk to the FreeBSD Foundation about your views and uses for FreeBSD/Xen. I'm sure the foundation would be interested in donations towards FreeBSD in general and I hope that enough interest -and- donations with a voiced interest in Xen will gently prod them into kicking the support into shape and then invest into keeping it up to date. Adrian 2009/8/22 Florian Heigl : > Hi, > for over 3 years we're now looking at a mostly-working, breaking, > half-working port, breaking, half-working of FreeBSD to xen. > personally I think this is a very sad state, especially considering how well > FreeBSD (-current, with patches) worked in Xen 2. > > I wonder if starting a fundraiser (like the ones initiated by rsync.net) > might help this problem. > I think we would have to scratch up enough for a month of kip's (or someone > else's) time to see everything addressed and the xen patches finally being > merged in a sane way like NetBSD did it. > > Assuming that most people do not very much care about their dom0 OS, but > strongly care for running FreeBSD (instead of Linux, NetBSD, Solaris > flavours) for their virtualized servers, it would be the best way to go to > make almost everyone happy. > > Please note that I don't represent a company but would still scratch up > money or donate some bunch of hardware to this end because I'm completely > sick of having to tell people (in #freebsd.de, in some forums and, worst of > all, even on trade fairs when helping at the FreeBSD booth) that "it used to > be working but right now it's not stable for production use, but it might > actually build right now" and point them at one of the above OS according to > their needs, when actually they'd just love FreeBSD. > > Honestly, I do not believe this state will *ever* get better without some > massive effort and I'm very much looking forward to some discussion about > this. It think the support should get -stable'd while the linux kids are > still trying to make ZFS work stable :) > > I'll scratch up $150 (or the same in hardware), so if a few more people and > 1-2 companies chime in it might be enough to make: > NO new features, just fix it and properly merge it into the amd64 and i386 > archs. > > a nice weekend to you all, > florian > > > > -- > 'Sie brauchen sich um Ihre Zukunft keine Gedanken zu machen' > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-xen@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-xen > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-xen-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-xen@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 29 07:59:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD70F106564A for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 07:59:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mdc@prgmr.com) Received: from mail.prgmr.com (mail.prgmr.com [64.62.173.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BF018FC1F for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 07:59:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from frylock.local (c-71-202-68-54.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [71.202.68.54]) by mail.prgmr.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B03668B5D for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 01:01:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A98DFF6.4060404@prgmr.com> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 00:59:50 -0700 From: Michael David Crawford Organization: Prgmr.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org References: <77abe410908211256g44dd20d8o9b50c20357e63a6b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: finishing up the xen port - would funding help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of the freebsd port to xen - implementation and usage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 07:59:50 -0000 For working on the FreeBSD DomU, what should we use for the Xen kernel and the Dom0? Most people use Linux for Dom0 I think, but I understand you can also use Solaris. I was running the bleeding edge sources for a while, and I was able to get them to work, but not well. I eventually abandoned the effort out of frustration. However we might need some changes to the Xen or to the Dom0 sources, so maybe it would be best to work with the bleeding edge. A problem I had is that I was trying to use Xen to support the development of my own cross-platform product. This machine has a RAID that contains *all* of my files, going back almost twenty years. So I was a little hesitant to boot just any kernel on it. But now I have another box, purely for experimental use, that doesn't have any manner of precious data on it. I can freely run anything on it, without fear of losing anything valuable. Mike -- Michael David Crawford mdc@prgmr.com prgmr.com - We Don't Assume You Are Stupid. Xen-Powered Virtual Private Servers: http://prgmr.com/xen From owner-freebsd-xen@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 29 09:41:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB59F106564A for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 09:41:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.247]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC718FC0C for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 09:41:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so956583and.13 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 02:41:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=K8J49O1LGai29KR1WyJ7YGuPuktKvJXH4ySBn9dAIeI=; b=EMQKSMHQHz45KViXyLaDgqFvfP8JLQ5NIKQdFZQE3JWCIFR9IfCR7EXrRgshiSMH5U kQaNPtx5dS36JOERCvBri8J6T1LjVq2Davr4FW3Pql7ls3Orkdk0lYI7DI6DZ5CUaMKG Xni4KsDddABqpODzX2hfJ0Muge+v/NCyvsFRI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=bJPo22wDWJ96TnrmkSW2VrTCi8zC/orenZeAiG4ZzVfa6HXs4fbHHKGsYOOCwwpoLU 40zNXVt21tVBN2TL7N7kYS2nbQzZ86geiR5ekpX0dssWX4MUm3mWm8fVEiy0iYs4PpXb GsUKjAuKlsvrf5o2/LsdPWEy4XzYHX+3sajfs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.101.90.3 with SMTP id s3mr2435517anl.23.1251538880669; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 02:41:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A98DFF6.4060404@prgmr.com> References: <77abe410908211256g44dd20d8o9b50c20357e63a6b@mail.gmail.com> <4A98DFF6.4060404@prgmr.com> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 17:41:20 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 17e310664d1be39f Message-ID: From: Adrian Chadd To: Michael David Crawford Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Subject: Re: finishing up the xen port - would funding help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of the freebsd port to xen - implementation and usage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 09:41:21 -0000 I'd suggest "use whatever works". I use Centos 5.x since they use the latest "stable" xen patched kernel but its quite out of date. Adrian 2009/8/29 Michael David Crawford : > For working on the FreeBSD DomU, what should we use for the Xen kernel an= d > the Dom0? > > Most people use Linux for Dom0 I think, but I understand you can also use > Solaris. > > I was running the bleeding edge sources for a while, and I was able to ge= t > them to work, but not well. =A0I eventually abandoned the effort out of > frustration. > > However we might need some changes to the Xen or to the Dom0 sources, so > maybe it would be best to work with the bleeding edge. > > A problem I had is that I was trying to use Xen to support the developmen= t > of my own cross-platform product. =A0This machine has a RAID that contain= s > *all* of my files, going back almost twenty years. =A0So I was a little > hesitant to boot just any kernel on it. > > But now I have another box, purely for experimental use, that doesn't hav= e > any manner of precious data on it. =A0I can freely run anything on it, wi= thout > fear of losing anything valuable. > > Mike > -- > Michael David Crawford > mdc@prgmr.com > > =A0 prgmr.com - We Don't Assume You Are Stupid. > > =A0 =A0 =A0Xen-Powered Virtual Private Servers: http://prgmr.com/xen > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-xen@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-xen > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-xen-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-xen@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 29 11:10:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE947106566B for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:10:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mdc@prgmr.com) Received: from mail.prgmr.com (mail.prgmr.com [64.62.173.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCE7D8FC16 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:10:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from frylock.local (c-71-202-68-54.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [71.202.68.54]) by mail.prgmr.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2DA668B5B for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 04:12:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A990C96.6090706@prgmr.com> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 04:10:14 -0700 From: Michael David Crawford Organization: Prgmr.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org References: <77abe410908211256g44dd20d8o9b50c20357e63a6b@mail.gmail.com> <4A98DFF6.4060404@prgmr.com> In-Reply-To: <4A98DFF6.4060404@prgmr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: finishing up the xen port - would funding help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of the freebsd port to xen - implementation and usage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:10:19 -0000 The Xen kernel sources seem to be kept in both Mercurial and Git repositories. I've never been real clear as to which one I should use. If I want to use the development sources, but not the raw, seething, bleeding edge, which repository do I use? Can you supply an example checkout command line? The Linux Dom0 development just uses Git, I think, because that's what the mainline kernel developers use. Thanks, Mike -- Michael David Crawford mdc@prgmr.com prgmr.com - We Don't Assume You Are Stupid. Xen-Powered Virtual Private Servers: http://prgmr.com/xen From owner-freebsd-xen@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 29 11:17:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A06EF106566C for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:17:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.247]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 561F98FC22 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:17:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so969688and.13 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 04:17:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=V9SRkwLTsKp62FolPj3uVJaMau2jEtZ1bemmAPzWEz4=; b=YXjDgiitqx90i3QOuLt6RAM8IfuTgdIzAkqiMrJY90gTBgphAI3PRltPeKL96M8Io+ JvQPBnvVfhP1wcKI6V7G1lOE/GYhXa49tC5EPq1BIhLOAAaQxBbig/g7DOrLQudFJG33 ntjdKrTHVy0a9UsjZGLO7H57jSToJmxJhkfpg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=dcbAGLCMY4bCw6qYN93ZIvNnmZW1NHLDvdV2FIT1W7fxiF0ZWIIaWnoGs+qJI1YwaV n1byNwQ0GSJ3tPmBEYJk17xrpB2Gq5w3aUkIvD+FgUNeu1MQaMZ2Cw7bISQJOl38EoK5 4kKPNCnJODMFvh3VeFQuRtwUA4uteM7LqKGPk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.101.20.3 with SMTP id x3mr2509465ani.31.1251544672630; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 04:17:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A990C96.6090706@prgmr.com> References: <77abe410908211256g44dd20d8o9b50c20357e63a6b@mail.gmail.com> <4A98DFF6.4060404@prgmr.com> <4A990C96.6090706@prgmr.com> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 19:17:52 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 76f04e202f3a6244 Message-ID: From: Adrian Chadd To: Michael David Crawford Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Subject: Re: finishing up the xen port - would funding help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of the freebsd port to xen - implementation and usage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:17:53 -0000 Just don't dick around with that stuff unless you're an actual developer! := ) stick to a distribution you get support from. I'd suggest CentOS. Centos/redhat are at least caring about Xen PVM/HVM support. Ubuntu for example seems to really only care about KVM these days. No idea about the rest. Adrian 2009/8/29 Michael David Crawford : > The Xen kernel sources seem to be kept in both Mercurial and Git > repositories. =A0I've never been real clear as to which one I should use. > > If I want to use the development sources, but not the raw, seething, > bleeding edge, which repository do I use? =A0Can you supply an example > checkout command line? > > The Linux Dom0 development just uses Git, I think, because that's what th= e > mainline kernel developers use. > > Thanks, > > Mike > -- > Michael David Crawford > mdc@prgmr.com > > =A0 prgmr.com - We Don't Assume You Are Stupid. > > =A0 =A0 =A0Xen-Powered Virtual Private Servers: http://prgmr.com/xen > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-xen@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-xen > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-xen-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-xen@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 29 11:26:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C72861065670; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:26:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lsc@prgmr.com) Received: from luke.xen.prgmr.com (luke.xen.prgmr.com [38.99.2.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35D18FC15; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:26:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by luke.xen.prgmr.com (Postfix, from userid 500) id 335031041EB; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 07:27:06 -0400 (EDT) To: Adrian Chadd References: <77abe410908211256g44dd20d8o9b50c20357e63a6b@mail.gmail.com> <4A98DFF6.4060404@prgmr.com> From: Luke S Crawford Date: 29 Aug 2009 07:27:04 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lines: 39 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Subject: Re: finishing up the xen port - would funding help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of the freebsd port to xen - implementation and usage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:26:28 -0000 Adrian Chadd writes: > I'd suggest "use whatever works". I use Centos 5.x since they use the > latest "stable" xen patched kernel but its quite out of date. If you want to make FreeBSD also run under the 3.0.3/3.1 hypervisor that CentOS/RHEL use, that's great (I think ec2 uses the RHEL/CentOS foo, but that is hersay.) the newer Xen hypervisors all seem to support DomUs that expect 3.0.3 hypervisors, so we should be good. The RHEL5 installations will be out there for a while, and 'yum install xen' is by far the easiest way to get a working Dom0. Prgmr.com uses a xen.org 2.6.18.8-xen (the one that comes with Xen 3.4) kernel and toolset on top of a CentOS 5 userland right now. I moved off of the CentOS kernel because until recently it did not support paravirt_ops DomUs, and the RHEL Xen kernels are slightly less stable than the xen.org kernels. RedHat has made it quite clear that they intend to replace all instances of xen with KVM. So yeah, for me personally, I see NetBSD 5 as the 'way forward' in terms of Dom0 operating systems, now that RedHat has publically stated that KVM should replace Xen in RedHat products (which is weird, because as far as I can see, while both are fine products, they are not even remotely substitutable. KVM would be a silly idea for prgmr.com to use for hosting, and Xen doesn't make sense if you just need to spin up a dev box every now and then.) Currently NetBSD uses the Xen 3.3 hypervisor, and it supports modern hardware. (really, the 2.6.18.8-xen kernel from xen.org, which I currently use in production is mostly okay, especially as the socket F boards havent changed in some time.) I started with FreeBSD Jails, and moved to NetBSD/xen2, and only left because of the ram limit. Now that NetBSD 5 is out, I think it's time for me to switch back. From owner-freebsd-xen@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 29 12:27:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF624106564A for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 12:27:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mdc@prgmr.com) Received: from mail.prgmr.com (mail.prgmr.com [64.62.173.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE168FC08 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 12:27:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from frylock.local (c-71-202-68-54.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [71.202.68.54]) by mail.prgmr.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94D968B5D for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 05:29:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A991ECD.6000306@prgmr.com> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 05:27:57 -0700 From: Michael David Crawford Organization: Prgmr.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org References: <77abe410908211256g44dd20d8o9b50c20357e63a6b@mail.gmail.com> <4A98DFF6.4060404@prgmr.com> <4A990C96.6090706@prgmr.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: finishing up the xen port - would funding help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of the freebsd port to xen - implementation and usage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 12:27:58 -0000 Adrian Chadd wrote: > Just don't dick around with that stuff unless you're an actual developer! :) > > stick to a distribution you get support from. I'd suggest CentOS. I'm concerned that the FreeBSD support might need patches made to the Xen kernel or to the various Dom0s. If that were the case, we really would be wanting to run the development code. When I was working with Xen a few months ago, the development code had all kinds of stuff in it that wasn't available in any of the releases. Mike -- Michael David Crawford mdc@prgmr.com prgmr.com - We Don't Assume You Are Stupid. Xen-Powered Virtual Private Servers: http://prgmr.com/xen From owner-freebsd-xen@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 29 12:41:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81ED2106566C for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 12:41:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f171.google.com (mail-yw0-f171.google.com [209.85.211.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39C468FC1C for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 12:41:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh1 with SMTP id 1so3826174ywh.9 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 05:41:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=F9cG+3dS5XzxbklzySvLrP7kVSWpOWw8kzNpq+SlUtM=; b=wxOhOz7/h8l1KSS5NJ24rWGR/nEZyggXXWANWr518Yuz6T5o5SFl19MH3Qg1Nd0/ZU lxUfmcoRcoxwvPLZS+wuMYomXJOi4Tii7s7L5IqMRvbmbW0SUZ4LkkZX9OlYE3BS0Qps AR1SLXJxDlsizo+kg+scHZq48CkX+jEeGKdUQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=IxZWQLHy/8TLtpkXX9MAzDqxk+/JTJ4LsZ5KkaCjJfhlzwfevDqLXVc5cscJ+ZQSAu 1QLlsexZgjuepZO+3PBXw/qzjFG3PaK0YbDgRAB3bN7rC3HhfRy1dfKnrFEoIqni/1Ko nJGNdrwVERXGrDyLQQ1NupVjkFrfn9f3aM1es= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.101.53.19 with SMTP id f19mr2479073ank.157.1251549678687; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 05:41:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A991ECD.6000306@prgmr.com> References: <77abe410908211256g44dd20d8o9b50c20357e63a6b@mail.gmail.com> <4A98DFF6.4060404@prgmr.com> <4A990C96.6090706@prgmr.com> <4A991ECD.6000306@prgmr.com> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 20:41:18 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6cf872200d41c7f2 Message-ID: From: Adrian Chadd To: Michael David Crawford Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Subject: Re: finishing up the xen port - would funding help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of the freebsd port to xen - implementation and usage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 12:41:19 -0000 The -head xen stuff I was testing worked fine with the out-of-box Xen hypervisor shipped with CentOS 5.3. That is what I'm using to do development against at the moment. Adrian 2009/8/29 Michael David Crawford : > Adrian Chadd wrote: >> >> Just don't dick around with that stuff unless you're an actual developer= ! >> :) >> >> stick to a distribution you get support from. I'd suggest CentOS. > > I'm concerned that the FreeBSD support might need patches made to the Xen > kernel or to the various Dom0s. > > If that were the case, we really would be wanting to run the development > code. > > When I was working with Xen a few months ago, the development code had al= l > kinds of stuff in it that wasn't available in any of the releases. > > Mike > -- > Michael David Crawford > mdc@prgmr.com > > =A0 prgmr.com - We Don't Assume You Are Stupid. > > =A0 =A0 =A0Xen-Powered Virtual Private Servers: http://prgmr.com/xen > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-xen@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-xen > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-xen-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >