From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 31 02:12:38 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 154C0106566C for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 02:12:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEC188FC0A for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 02:12:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o0V2CZNZ008139 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:12:35 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daleco.biz Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ezekiel.daleco.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 61c9JwUeIhem for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:12:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz (ezekiel.daleco.biz [66.76.92.18]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o0V2CSNC008135 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:12:29 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <4B64E70C.2010408@daleco.biz> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:12:28 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090929) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <4B5FA07A.2020906@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <4B600F50.1060204@gmail.com> <20100127104652.GJ12145@comcast.net> <86aavzkaka.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20100127204710.GM12145@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <20100127204710.GM12145@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 02:12:38 -0000 Charlie Kester wrote: > On Wed 27 Jan 2010 at 04:16:05 PST Dag-Erling Smrgrav wrote: >> Charlie Kester writes: >>> Not the cheapest way to heat a room, but it's probably the most fun! >> >> Elementary thermodynamics: a computer and an electric heater produce the >> exact same amount of heat per unit of electrical power consumed (modulo >> energy transmitted outside the room over wireless or wired network, but >> that's a vanishingly small amount) > > I'm not sure I get your point. You can surf the web on your space > heater? Maybe he can, but I don't believe that was his point. Nonetheless, I seem to remember someone installed a Linux or a BSD on a toaster once upon a time. Off to Google to find out. KDK From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 31 09:47:08 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBDBB1065676 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:47:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from angus@fairhaven.za.net) Received: from ninja.imaginet.co.za (ninja.imaginet.co.za [196.15.145.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 718E78FC13 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:47:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [80.47.136.80] (helo=[192.168.2.5]) by ninja.imaginet.co.za with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NbVN6-0001Iw-0u for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 10:41:33 +0200 Message-ID: <4B65423A.6010700@fairhaven.za.net> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:41:30 +0000 From: Angus Robinson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <4B5FA07A.2020906@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <4B600F50.1060204@gmail.com> <20100127104652.GJ12145@comcast.net> <86aavzkaka.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20100127204710.GM12145@comcast.net> <4B64E70C.2010408@daleco.biz> In-Reply-To: <4B64E70C.2010408@daleco.biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender-Verified: True X-Allowed-from: 80.47.136.80 X-Auth-Token: Sender Verified X-Whitelisted: The user has Authenticated (2). Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:47:08 -0000 Kevin Kinsey wrote: > Charlie Kester wrote: >> On Wed 27 Jan 2010 at 04:16:05 PST Dag-Erling Smrgrav wrote: >>> Charlie Kester writes: >>>> Not the cheapest way to heat a room, but it's probably the most fun! >>> >>> Elementary thermodynamics: a computer and an electric heater produce >>> the >>> exact same amount of heat per unit of electrical power consumed (modulo >>> energy transmitted outside the room over wireless or wired network, but >>> that's a vanishingly small amount) >> >> I'm not sure I get your point. You can surf the web on your space >> heater? > > Maybe he can, but I don't believe that was his point. Nonetheless, > I seem to remember someone installed a Linux or a BSD on a toaster > once upon a time. > > Off to Google to find out. > > KDK > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" It was NetBSD http://www.embeddedarm.com/software/arm-netbsd-toaster.php From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 1 03:17:02 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E4D3106566C for ; Mon, 1 Feb 2010 03:17:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0563E8FC0C for ; Mon, 1 Feb 2010 03:17:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o113GnJV045866; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:16:49 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daleco.biz Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ezekiel.daleco.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id VpIw50KD+R2H; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:16:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz (ezekiel.daleco.biz [66.76.92.18]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o113GeT2045862; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:16:43 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <4B664798.6020008@daleco.biz> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:16:40 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090929) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Angus Robinson References: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <4B5FA07A.2020906@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <4B600F50.1060204@gmail.com> <20100127104652.GJ12145@comcast.net> <86aavzkaka.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20100127204710.GM12145@comcast.net> <4B64E70C.2010408@daleco.biz> <4B65423A.6010700@fairhaven.za.net> In-Reply-To: <4B65423A.6010700@fairhaven.za.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 03:17:02 -0000 Angus Robinson wrote: > Kevin Kinsey wrote: >> Charlie Kester wrote: >>> >>> I'm not sure I get your point. You can surf the web on your space >>> heater? >> >> Maybe he can, but I don't believe that was his point. Nonetheless, >> I seem to remember someone installed a Linux or a BSD on a toaster >> once upon a time. >> >> Off to Google to find out. > It was NetBSD > http://www.embeddedarm.com/software/arm-netbsd-toaster.php Yes, that was one. And at least one Linuxen did the same thing. I guess if we want someone can say who was first, but it's no big deal to me. It may well have been NetBSD first, they're uber-geeks similar to the FBSD folk, and are well known for hw compatibility, but you know that, I'm sure. KDK From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 1 12:28:55 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB581065676 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:28:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E90E8FC19 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:28:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F81F1FFC22; Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:28:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E218D844A0; Mon, 1 Feb 2010 13:28:52 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Erich Dollansky References: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <201001272039.23424.erich@ovitrap.com> <861vhbk6nj.fsf@ds4.des.no> <201001272329.48695.erich@ovitrap.com> Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 13:28:52 +0100 In-Reply-To: <201001272329.48695.erich@ovitrap.com> (Erich Dollansky's message of "Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:29:46 +0800") Message-ID: <867hqxw35n.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.95 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 12:28:55 -0000 Erich Dollansky writes: > Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav writes: > > Erich Dollansky writes: > > > burning wood, oil or gas is in most regions cheaper than > > > electricity which is most likely produced out of the same fuel but > > > all the losses during generation and transport reduce its > > > effectiveness dramatically. > > Define "most regions". There is a whole world outside the US. > any region of this globe where temperatures go below the threshold=20 > for being comfortable and people tend to create heat by some=20 > means. That's begging the question, which was about the relative cost of electrical heating vs. fossil fuels. I live in a country that's colder than most, where close to 100% of all electricity comes from renewable sources. FWIW, this is also the case in large parts of the US. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 2 02:54:10 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22698106566B for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 02:54:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@ovitrap.com) Received: from nomoremozzie.com (nomoremozzie.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E29EA8FC12 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 02:54:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.110] ([180.129.84.247]) (authenticated bits=0) by nomoremozzie.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o122s15F009972; Mon, 1 Feb 2010 19:54:05 -0700 From: Erich Dollansky Organization: ALO Green Technologies Pte Ltd To: "Dag-Erling =?utf-8?q?Sm=C3=B8rgrav?=" Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 10:53:48 +0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <201001272329.48695.erich@ovitrap.com> <867hqxw35n.fsf@ds4.des.no> In-Reply-To: <867hqxw35n.fsf@ds4.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201002021053.50193.erich@ovitrap.com> Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 02:54:10 -0000 Hi, On 01 February 2010 pm 20:28:52 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav wrote: > Erich Dollansky writes: > > Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav writes: > > > Erich Dollansky writes: > > > > burning wood, oil or gas is in most regions cheaper than > > > > electricity which is most likely produced out of the same fuel but > > > > all the losses during generation and transport reduce its > > > > effectiveness dramatically. > > > Define "most regions". There is a whole world outside the US. > > any region of this globe where temperatures go below the threshold=20 > > for being comfortable and people tend to create heat by some=20 > > means. >=20 > That's begging the question, which was about the relative cost of > electrical heating vs. fossil fuels. >=20 > I live in a country that's colder than most, where close to 100% of all > electricity comes from renewable sources. you are in the lucky position that your country has a very high percentage = of hydro power plants. >=20 > FWIW, this is also the case in large parts of the US. The hydro power? Yes, but they also have to operate nuclear power plants an= d fossile fuled power plants. Hydro power plants are nearly a perfect source of electricity if there woul= d not be the need for a dam which brings environmentalists up the dam if a = new one has to be errected. Erich From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 2 04:16:35 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E5E106566B for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 04:16:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@telenix.org) Received: from mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849EA8FC15 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 04:16:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 26426 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2010 04:16:34 -0000 Received: from april.chuckr.org (HELO april.telenix.org) (chuckr@[66.92.151.30]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 2 Feb 2010 04:16:34 -0000 Message-ID: <4B67A778.7040001@telenix.org> Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 23:18:00 -0500 From: Chuck Robey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090121) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 04:16:35 -0000 I'm having a hard time trying to figure out what/where is the best playlist driven audio player with a graphical UI ... there's too large a selection (both audio and multimedia dirs) for any reasonable manual search, and since I'm after a good graphical UI for it, I couldn't even construct any sort of automatic search I can think of, the pkg-descr files aren't that reliable. My audio, which I do via spdif, already works fine (using mplayer so far) so don't give me directions how to *do* it, I'm just looking for a port name which offers me a good interface for playlists, maybe even helping me build playlists (because I've already loaded all my CDs to my disk). Thanks. I'm asking for opinions, so don't hesitate to offer me your own favorites, I'll go look at every one suggested, and I'll really appreciate it. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 2 11:38:25 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19C6A1065742 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 11:38:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0CD78FC26 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 11:38:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4DCA1FFC53; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 11:38:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A7727844B0; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 12:38:23 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Erich Dollansky References: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <201001272329.48695.erich@ovitrap.com> <867hqxw35n.fsf@ds4.des.no> <201002021053.50193.erich@ovitrap.com> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 12:38:23 +0100 In-Reply-To: <201002021053.50193.erich@ovitrap.com> (Erich Dollansky's message of "Tue, 2 Feb 2010 10:53:48 +0800") Message-ID: <863a1j50ls.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.95 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 11:38:25 -0000 Erich Dollansky writes: > The hydro power? Yes, but they also have to operate nuclear power > plants and fossile fuled power plants. > > Hydro power plants are nearly a perfect source of electricity if there > would not be the need for a dam which brings environmentalists up the > dam if a new one has to be errected. Luckily, environmentalists are starting to realize what hypocrits they are... DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 2 12:22:48 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F1E310656AE for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 12:22:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jayton.garnett@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E186A8FC17 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 12:22:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz5 with SMTP id 5so2199248bwz.3 for ; Tue, 02 Feb 2010 04:22:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=43gB9CsZzdl2i8+NRFpOcmpWEqbpqt0OQOzd/9GPINU=; b=Z1OsD6iieAgcu9I0A5cpR7A09Xhdf959yE2aHthpU0b9E0AREIUECKEX+FVKcOhGHv 6cG3pPf45hViWJUGiEe/xMQKZ6qnxLDLbV9HHLiP/nsJC+oWfG/lkQESfeoQPqLMCBCU 1w+D8wubLT4U7x24TGw/qLD538cS9w8ZB6Eu8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=c3L66l3uGMisslRndN7ZGO/mafvzFAQzFOCUF4tJdOCZnkPJ7bDbHzj6HqXw+z07oS aXSLScZvOdseyedhb99AjDYkTZmusJ2ZchQyPQhAeI+lGiDsx6OPcSA0QM6b8mDAN2PO IK8sPAm0wj9QICliH3GQ13e/NRwqsj35TbcTE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.156.212 with SMTP id y20mr1884005bkw.126.1265113366612; Tue, 02 Feb 2010 04:22:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <863a1j50ls.fsf@ds4.des.no> References: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <201001272329.48695.erich@ovitrap.com> <867hqxw35n.fsf@ds4.des.no> <201002021053.50193.erich@ovitrap.com> <863a1j50ls.fsf@ds4.des.no> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 12:22:46 +0000 Message-ID: From: Jayton Garnett To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag=2DErling_Sm=F8rgrav?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Erich Dollansky , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 12:22:48 -0000 > > > Luckily, environmentalists are starting to realize what hypocrits they > are... > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no > Like in Armageddon when environMENTALists are on that boat shouting abuse a= t the oil rig, when their own boat is spewing out black clouds of smoke? Ah yes, the "It's OK, we know what we're doing and we're going to burn this oi= l to stop them drilling for more oil - yes that will work" I suppose we all have to be green now days or face the wrath of the ever increasing energy bill as each quarter the energy companies raise their prices because the governments are urging people to save gas/electricity thus reducing the energy companies profits, thus increasing their prices... anyone in favour of breeding hamsters to power the earth by running in thei= r wheels ? oh no we'd upset the animal protection league's. I find the solar tower's of water Spain have started using an interesting way to produce electricity, create enough of them and we only have to worry about it again in 6 billion years when the Sun dies. ---- Jay From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 2 14:05:20 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3120A1065692 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 14:05:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@ovitrap.com) Received: from nomoremozzie.com (nomoremozzie.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A998FC22 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 14:05:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.110] ([180.129.84.247]) (authenticated bits=0) by nomoremozzie.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o12E5BEb031072; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 07:05:15 -0700 From: Erich Dollansky Organization: ALO Green Technologies Pte Ltd To: "Dag-Erling =?utf-8?q?Sm=C3=B8rgrav?=" Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 22:04:59 +0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <201002021053.50193.erich@ovitrap.com> <863a1j50ls.fsf@ds4.des.no> In-Reply-To: <863a1j50ls.fsf@ds4.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201002022205.01411.erich@ovitrap.com> Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:05:20 -0000 Hi, On 02 February 2010 pm 19:38:23 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav wrote: > Erich Dollansky writes: > > The hydro power? Yes, but they also have to operate nuclear power > > plants and fossile fuled power plants. > > > > Hydro power plants are nearly a perfect source of electricity if there > > would not be the need for a dam which brings environmentalists up the > > dam if a new one has to be errected. >=20 > Luckily, environmentalists are starting to realize what hypocrits they > are... send some here They are starting now to put silicon solar panels up. Ok, we have a lot of sun, but how many years do they have to operate to bre= ak even? At the same moment oftime they operate air condition units to cools a room = downto 18C. Erich From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 2 14:10:54 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9318B1065670 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 14:10:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@ovitrap.com) Received: from nomoremozzie.com (nomoremozzie.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DF498FC16 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 14:10:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.110] ([180.129.84.247]) (authenticated bits=0) by nomoremozzie.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o12EAmAE002080; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 07:10:50 -0700 From: Erich Dollansky Organization: ALO Green Technologies Pte Ltd To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 22:10:41 +0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <863a1j50ls.fsf@ds4.des.no> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201002022210.43422.erich@ovitrap.com> Cc: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?= , Jayton Garnett Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:10:54 -0000 Hi, On 02 February 2010 pm 20:22:46 Jayton Garnett wrote: > > > anyone in favour of breeding hamsters to power the earth by running in their > wheels ? oh no we'd upset the animal protection league's. hey, I will give you a dobermann to make the hamster run faster. > > I find the solar tower's of water Spain have started using an interesting > way to produce electricity, create enough of them and we only have to worry > about it again in 6 billion years when the Sun dies. They developed this in the Seventies of the last century. The idea is perfect. It is not about electricity alone, it is about steam. There are so many technical processes in which you would not need the electricity at all as you can run them directly by steam. As such, large users of steam can place one of them nearby and run without coal or oil during periods of sunshine. Erich > > ---- > Jay > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 2 16:46:37 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FCCC106566B for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 16:46:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailnull@mips.inka.de) Received: from mail-in-10.arcor-online.net (mail-in-10.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 436C38FC13 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 16:46:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-in-16-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-16-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.33]) by mx.arcor.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2769B262D08 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 17:46:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail-in-17.arcor-online.net (mail-in-17.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.57]) by mail-in-16-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C5E254105 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 17:46:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from lorvorc.mips.inka.de (dslb-094-217-106-188.pools.arcor-ip.net [94.217.106.188]) by mail-in-17.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C81213B2609 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 17:46:34 +0100 (CET) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 mail-in-17.arcor-online.net C81213B2609 Received: from lorvorc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o12GkY87033399 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 17:46:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mailnull@lorvorc.mips.inka.de) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id o12GkY3V033398 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 17:46:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mailnull) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 16:46:34 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <4B67A778.7040001@telenix.org> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:46:37 -0000 Chuck Robey wrote: > I'm having a hard time trying to figure out what/where is the best playlist > driven audio player with a graphical UI ... IMHO, multimedia/xmms still beats all its successors. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 2 18:06:24 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E61CE1065694 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 18:06:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpetsmoker-dated-1265824147.0bd3bd@rwxrwxrwx.net) Received: from mail.rwxrwxrwx.net (mail.rwxrwxrwx.net [83.161.253.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1AE08FC13 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 18:06:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.rwxrwxrwx.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DA12A216C54; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 18:49:07 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail.rwxrwxrwx.net (tmda-sendmail, from uid 1001); Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:49:07 +0100 Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 18:49:07 +0100 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20100202174907.GA65909@rwxrwxrwx.net> References: <4B67A778.7040001@telenix.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4B67A778.7040001@telenix.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) From: Martin Tournoij Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, chuckr@telenix.org Cc: chuckr@telenix.org Subject: Re: Recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:06:25 -0000 On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 11:18:00PM -0500, Chuck Robey wrote: > I'm having a hard time trying to figure out what/where is the best playlist > driven audio player with a graphical UI ... there's too large a selection (both > audio and multimedia dirs) for any reasonable manual search, and since I'm after > a good graphical UI for it, I couldn't even construct any sort of automatic > search I can think of, the pkg-descr files aren't that reliable. My audio, > which I do via spdif, already works fine (using mplayer so far) so don't give me > directions how to *do* it, I'm just looking for a port name which offers me a > good interface for playlists, maybe even helping me build playlists (because > I've already loaded all my CDs to my disk). > > Thanks. I'm asking for opinions, so don't hesitate to offer me your own > favorites, I'll go look at every one suggested, and I'll really appreciate it. IMHO using audio/musicpd gives you a very flexible solution, the mpd program runs in the background, and you can use several clients to connect to it. You have commandline, curses, GTK, QT, whatnot, clients. You can mix and match as you prefer and the music will keep playing even if you quit the client ... -- Martin Tournoij carpetsmoker@rwxrwxrwx.net | (+031) 621 991 576 http://www.carpetsmoker.net | http://www.daemonforums.org QOTD: Fortune and love befriend the bold. -- Ovid From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 2 20:19:48 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9057D106566C for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 20:19:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from max@love2party.net) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FAA68FC08 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 20:19:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vampire.homelinux.org (dslb-088-064-184-208.pools.arcor-ip.net [88.64.184.208]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MLRLO-1NcxG13x4s-000mQk; Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:07:12 +0100 Received: (qmail 16928 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2010 20:07:11 -0000 Received: from f8x64.laiers.local (192.168.4.188) by mx.laiers.local with SMTP; 2 Feb 2010 20:07:11 -0000 From: Max Laier Organization: FreeBSD To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 21:07:09 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.12.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-RELEASE-p2; KDE/4.3.4; amd64; ; ) References: <4B67A778.7040001@telenix.org> In-Reply-To: <4B67A778.7040001@telenix.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201002022107.09109.max@love2party.net> X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+leKHjD8vTl/Assrk5Ia0SF/412FOh9Voachq eKzi/EMoyAWiXIBNUyFrlbcAb1Uus2HjdZH3Y4KcS1ldMqBQ0L iCaPD0OWv3+16ydFS6fFw== Cc: Chuck Robey Subject: Re: Recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:19:48 -0000 On Tuesday 02 February 2010 05:18:00 Chuck Robey wrote: > I'm having a hard time trying to figure out what/where is the best playlist > driven audio player with a graphical UI ... there's too large a selection > (both audio and multimedia dirs) for any reasonable manual search, and > since I'm after a good graphical UI for it, I couldn't even construct any > sort of automatic search I can think of, the pkg-descr files aren't that > reliable. My audio, which I do via spdif, already works fine (using > mplayer so far) so don't give me directions how to *do* it, I'm just > looking for a port name which offers me a good interface for playlists, > maybe even helping me build playlists (because I've already loaded all my > CDs to my disk). > > Thanks. I'm asking for opinions, so don't hesitate to offer me your own > favorites, I'll go look at every one suggested, and I'll really appreciate > it. I still love audio/amarok (the pre-KDE4 version), it indexes your collection, offers "smart" playlists, and last.fm integration. There is the KDE4 version in ports as well, but I think the developers have fallen into a classic 2nd system trap when they did the relaunch. Cheers, Max From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 2 22:27:18 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94834106566B for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 22:27:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045118FC0C for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 22:27:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0BCEB66B3; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 00:27:17 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5FEC160D43; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 00:27:16 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A3sjLdR-Z1Uc; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 00:27:16 +0200 (EET) Received: from kobe.laptop (ppp-94-64-192-240.home.otenet.gr [94.64.192.240]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40B1160D42; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 00:27:16 +0200 (EET) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o12MRG1b018400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 3 Feb 2010 00:27:16 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id o12MRCP8018370; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 00:27:12 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Kevin Kinsey References: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <4B5FA07A.2020906@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <4B600F50.1060204@gmail.com> <20100127104652.GJ12145@comcast.net> <86aavzkaka.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20100127204710.GM12145@comcast.net> <4B64E70C.2010408@daleco.biz> <4B65423A.6010700@fairhaven.za.net> <4B664798.6020008@daleco.biz> Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 00:27:12 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4B664798.6020008@daleco.biz> (Kevin Kinsey's message of "Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:16:40 -0600") Message-ID: <87zl3rgtof.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.92 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: Angus Robinson , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:27:18 -0000 On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:16:40 -0600, Kevin Kinsey wrote: >> It was NetBSD >> http://www.embeddedarm.com/software/arm-netbsd-toaster.php > > Yes, that was one. And at least one Linuxen did the same thing. I > guess if we want someone can say who was first, but it's no big deal > to me. It may well have been NetBSD first, they're uber-geeks similar > to the FBSD folk, and are well known for hw compatibility, but you > know that, I'm sure. Yes, the NetBSD folks have a very portable source tree and are known for the high-quality of their source. It probably doesn't really matter who ran on a toaster first, since I'd take NetBSD sources over Linux sources without so much as a blink of a second thought *any* day :-) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 2 22:34:45 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855CD106566C for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 22:34:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF31F8FC1C for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 22:34:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07DE1EB66BD; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 00:34:44 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFCFF160D43; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 00:34:43 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9Lr9ArU7IGZJ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 00:34:43 +0200 (EET) Received: from kobe.laptop (ppp-94-64-192-240.home.otenet.gr [94.64.192.240]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9471D160D42; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 00:34:43 +0200 (EET) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o12MYhxJ032336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 3 Feb 2010 00:34:43 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id o12MYgo3032333; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 00:34:42 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Chuck Robey References: <4B67A778.7040001@telenix.org> Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 00:34:42 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4B67A778.7040001@telenix.org> (Chuck Robey's message of "Mon, 01 Feb 2010 23:18:00 -0500") Message-ID: <87vdefgtbx.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.92 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:34:45 -0000 On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 23:18:00 -0500, Chuck Robey wrote: > I'm having a hard time trying to figure out what/where is the best > playlist driven audio player with a graphical UI ... there's too large > a selection (both audio and multimedia dirs) for any reasonable manual > search, and since I'm after a good graphical UI for it, I couldn't > even construct any sort of automatic search I can think of, the > pkg-descr files aren't that reliable. My audio, which I do via spdif, > already works fine (using mplayer so far) so don't give me directions > how to *do* it, I'm just looking for a port name which offers me a > good interface for playlists, maybe even helping me build playlists > (because I've already loaded all my CDs to my disk). > > Thanks. I'm asking for opinions, so don't hesitate to offer me your > own favorites, I'll go look at every one suggested, and I'll really > appreciate it. Hi Chuck, Amarok is a featureful and nice program, offerring custom playlists, dynamic playlists, and a very good interface for organizing and -- most importantly -- *reorganizing* your collection based on IDv3 tags. It also sports last.fm support and lots of plugins/extensions, but there is _one_ catch: Amarok developers seem to haven fallen for the "second system" trap, and the latest versions are buggy, bloated monsters when compared to the original Amarok I loved. Exaile is a much lighter and nice player for Gnome fans. It doesn't have all the features of Amarok, but it has a large subset and those features that work seem to be mostly "ok". It doesn't have as many developers as Amarok though, and it seems to be lagging far behind. I've been trying Rhythmbox too lately. It also recognizes IDv3 tags, has playlist support, podcast download and archive support, last.fm integration and online streaming radio support. Some bits of the UI are, to put it mildly, "dumped down". This is a common problem of many Gnome applications these days, it seems. I've only used it for about a week or two now, so I can't really say if I _like_ it yet. There are, as you noticed, far too many players out there. I'm afraid there's no way out of the paradox of too many choices. You'll probably have to try a few players and decide for yourself which one suits your taste better :-/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 2 23:18:47 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B69106568D for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 23:18:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249778FC13 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 23:18:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.28]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id d45J1d00F0cZkys51BJnZf; Tue, 02 Feb 2010 23:18:47 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dBJi1d00S1f6R9u3WBJjZR; Tue, 02 Feb 2010 23:18:44 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:18:41 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 15:18:41 -0800 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20100202231840.GB1920@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <4B67A778.7040001@telenix.org> <87vdefgtbx.fsf@kobe.laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87vdefgtbx.fsf@kobe.laptop> X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.20 X-Composer: VIM 7.2 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: Recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 23:18:47 -0000 On Tue 02 Feb 2010 at 14:34:42 PST Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >Exaile is a much lighter and nice player for Gnome fans. It doesn't >have all the features of Amarok, but it has a large subset and those >features that work seem to be mostly "ok". It doesn't have as many >developers as Amarok though, and it seems to be lagging far behind. > >I've been trying Rhythmbox too lately. It also recognizes IDv3 tags, >has playlist support, podcast download and archive support, last.fm >integration and online streaming radio support. Some bits of the UI >are, to put it mildly, "dumped down". This is a common problem of many >Gnome applications these days, it seems. I've only used it for about a >week or two now, so I can't really say if I _like_ it yet. I've been trying Exaile and Rhythmbox too. I think I prefer Rhythmbox, because it handles my .m3u playlists in the way I like. It immediately lists them in the sidebar under Playlists, and they persist there from session to session. Exaile seems to load them only temporarily; to get them into the sidebar, you have to explicitly save them as a custom playlist. (It's a minor point, I know, but I dislike what seem like unnecessary steps.) A more serious problem is that I can't seem to get either of them to work with any of my favorite podcasts. It always complains that it's unable to parse the feed. One tool I've found that does work with podcasts is PenguinTV. So that's what I'm currently using. What about mixers and/or equalizers? What are people using for that? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 3 00:04:55 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EC0D106566B for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 00:04:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C693B8FC15 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 00:04:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3291DEB6642 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 02:04:53 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C78160D4D for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 02:04:52 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WXmdxTMYFBV0 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 02:04:52 +0200 (EET) Received: from kobe.laptop (ppp-94-64-192-240.home.otenet.gr [94.64.192.240]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACA40160D4C for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 02:04:52 +0200 (EET) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o1304q9B079874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 02:04:52 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id o1304pdw079867; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 02:04:51 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <4B67A778.7040001@telenix.org> <87vdefgtbx.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20100202231840.GB1920@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 02:04:51 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20100202231840.GB1920@comcast.net> (Charlie Kester's message of "Tue, 2 Feb 2010 15:18:41 -0800") Message-ID: <87k4uvgp5o.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.92 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 00:04:55 -0000 On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 15:18:41 -0800, Charlie Kester wrote: >On Tue 02 Feb 2010 at 14:34:42 PST Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >> I've been trying Rhythmbox too lately. It also recognizes IDv3 tags, >> has playlist support, podcast download and archive support, last.fm >> integration and online streaming radio support. Some bits of the UI >> are, to put it mildly, "dumped down". This is a common problem of many >> Gnome applications these days, it seems. I've only used it for about a >> week or two now, so I can't really say if I _like_ it yet. > > I've been trying Exaile and Rhythmbox too. I think I prefer Rhythmbox, > because it handles my .m3u playlists in the way I like. It immediately > lists them in the sidebar under Playlists, and they persist there from > session to session. Yes, that's a really _nice_ feature of Rhythmbox :-) When I am trying to 'enter the zone' and code for 3-4 hours without jumps from one context to another, I often load a large m3u playlist to Rhythmbox and let it repeat itself forever. Then I start writing and lose myself in the process of creating things instead of going back and forth between my terminal and the player in an effort to "keep the playlist filled with nice music". The context switch from the work I am going to the player is always hurtful for my concentration, so persistent playlists help me avoid it as much as possible. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 3 02:41:03 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E9E1065670 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 02:41:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) Received: from iron1-mailrl.sfsu.edu (iron1-mailrl.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5FE8FC08 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 02:41:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Inbound-SFSU: False X-onepass: IPPSC X-From-SFSU: True X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEABVxaEuC1B9b/2dsb2JhbADLXwEJBYU3iFGCUoFzBIQqgVeFCA Received: from edg04.sfsu.edu ([130.212.31.91]) by iron1.sfsu.edu with ESMTP; 02 Feb 2010 18:41:02 -0800 Received: from EHB04.ad.sfsu.edu (130.212.31.28) by edg04.sfsu.edu (130.212.31.91) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.0.682.1; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 18:41:02 -0800 Received: from smtp01.sfsu.edu (130.212.10.100) by ehb.ad.sfsu.edu (130.212.31.28) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.0.682.1; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 18:41:02 -0800 Received: from libra.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.238]) by mail05a.sfsu.edu (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.4HF59) with ESMTP id 2010020218410085-231 ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 18:41:00 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 18:41:00 -0800 From: KAYVEN RIESE To: Jayton Garnett In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <201001272329.48695.erich@ovitrap.com> <867hqxw35n.fsf@ds4.des.no> <201002021053.50193.erich@ovitrap.com> <863a1j50ls.fsf@ds4.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on MAIL05a/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.4HF59 | August 11, 2009) at 02/02/2010 18:41:01, Serialize by Router on SMTP01/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.4|March 23, 2009) at 02/02/2010 18:41:01, Serialize complete at 02/02/2010 18:41:01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag=2DErling_Sm=F8rgrav?= , Erich Dollansky , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 02:41:03 -0000 On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, Jayton Garnett wrote: > > I find the solar tower's of water Spain have started using an interesting > way to produce electricity, create enough of them and we only have to worry > about it again in 6 billion years when the Sun dies. The key issue is the useful lifetime of the panels.. > > ---- > Jay > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 3 06:47:37 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7F9106566B for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 06:47:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D449E8FC14 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 06:47:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dJnH1d0060x6nqcA4Jnewo; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:47:38 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dJnc1d0081f6R9u8YJndT3; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:47:38 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:47:34 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 22:47:34 -0800 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20100203064734.GC1920@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <4B67A778.7040001@telenix.org> <87vdefgtbx.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20100202231840.GB1920@comcast.net> <87k4uvgp5o.fsf@kobe.laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87k4uvgp5o.fsf@kobe.laptop> X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.20 X-Composer: VIM 7.2 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: Recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:47:38 -0000 On Tue 02 Feb 2010 at 16:04:51 PST Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 15:18:41 -0800, Charlie Kester wrote: >>On Tue 02 Feb 2010 at 14:34:42 PST Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >>> I've been trying Rhythmbox too lately. It also recognizes IDv3 tags, >>> has playlist support, podcast download and archive support, last.fm >>> integration and online streaming radio support. Some bits of the UI >>> are, to put it mildly, "dumped down". This is a common problem of many >>> Gnome applications these days, it seems. I've only used it for about a >>> week or two now, so I can't really say if I _like_ it yet. >> >> I've been trying Exaile and Rhythmbox too. I think I prefer Rhythmbox, >> because it handles my .m3u playlists in the way I like. It immediately >> lists them in the sidebar under Playlists, and they persist there from >> session to session. > >Yes, that's a really _nice_ feature of Rhythmbox :-) > >When I am trying to 'enter the zone' and code for 3-4 hours without jumps >from one context to another, I often load a large m3u playlist to Rhythmbox >and let it repeat itself forever. Then I start writing and lose myself in >the process of creating things instead of going back and forth between my >terminal and the player in an effort to "keep the playlist filled with nice >music". > >The context switch from the work I am going to the player is always hurtful >for my concentration, so persistent playlists help me avoid it as much >as possible. OTOH, if I want continuous random playback of a playlist without the overhead of a graphical music manager, I go with mpg123 -C -Z -@ playlist.m3u in a terminal window. To make it easier to launch this by clicking the m3u file in a file manager like Thunar, I have a desktop settings file for it. ~/.local/share/applications/mpg123-random-usercreated.desktop: [Desktop Entry] Encoding=UTF-8 Type=Application Terminal=true Name=mpg123-random Exec=mpg123 -C -Z -@ %F MimeType=audio/mpeg Then either I associate this with the .m3u file type in the usual way, or I leave .m3u associated with something else and use "Open with other Application" to select mpg123-random. When I'm deeply immersed in my work, I don't need to see the album cover and other info the graphical music managers show me about the currently playing song. mpg123 gives more than enough such info, but I almost never look at it. (The only reason I run it in a terminal window is to make it easy to shutdown and to be able to skip past a song I've decided I no longer like -- hence the use of the -C option.) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 3 10:19:24 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7496E106566B for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:19:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ozgur.ozdemircili@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f211.google.com (mail-bw0-f211.google.com [209.85.218.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 077F28FC28 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:19:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz3 with SMTP id 3so905315bwz.13 for ; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 02:19:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ODgsc1RsiwPkwPAmZFp4KJJ64PIn7gM+m7+M4ww6z34=; b=S3NabfJJ5pMHJ2K/BUZbSnuFCpA4Ac4viy9SFuPWCZ6JR7shT9TaUD30msA/4Bprd5 x/g51x5G7TaTE+5ycAQk32N5Nn6lAmUY2rCCQvJqUjoIUM7oaEmHXDtdjD/u2/u6tuq/ //UF1BdsSIF7ZjYFfAZf+Bl6sMGMwC/EOTSTY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=v7+Ux3iWebuzP+CZCRCueWs5nPG+tknLznfCWO8QTu8bV3gyj1FbAN+Vwfgse5t0bt pG5vbz9wVYVO8uXe0hyXRPWK8gwF+jvIIIb5CwvHXCU9jVA1aVXMeRqAh4tz5q31xi5K TXEiAjVNTXyj2tSOwK0y20ILdWydX3d1U5SrY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.32.15 with SMTP id a15mr1428998bkd.142.1265190660830; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 01:51:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> References: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:51:00 +0100 Message-ID: <22df2f891002030151x5c088f95ia66617a504663411@mail.gmail.com> From: Ozgur Ozdemircili To: FreeBSD Chat Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 10:19:24 -0000 That surely reminds me of me installing my first BSD system. I was on 56 K modem. And Im talking about the times where downloading 10 MB takes 30 minutes+price you pay for ISP and the telephone call.. Welcome Erich! On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 3:44 AM, Programmer In Training wrote: > I just got done with my first install, from CD, no net connection > (currently) to the box. I was kind of concerned about how I was going to > install the tools I need to start being productive (starting with a > shell other then sh). I read the manual about how sysinstall can be > invoked on a running system and I am just so happy! I mean seriously. > You have no clue how happy that makes me. (: I can now burn a DVD of the > install DVD and go from there until I get a net connection on either my > NIC or winWiFi card. > > Love you guys so much! (: > -- > PIT > Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. > > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 3 11:18:17 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13CF1106568B for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:18:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6BEF8FC17 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:18:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5889C1FFC53; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:18:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0D7FA8449F; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 12:18:15 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: KAYVEN RIESE References: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <201001272329.48695.erich@ovitrap.com> <867hqxw35n.fsf@ds4.des.no> <201002021053.50193.erich@ovitrap.com> <863a1j50ls.fsf@ds4.des.no> Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 12:18:14 +0100 In-Reply-To: (KAYVEN RIESE's message of "Tue, 2 Feb 2010 18:41:00 -0800") Message-ID: <863a1iefex.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.95 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Erich Dollansky , Jayton Garnett , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 11:18:17 -0000 KAYVEN RIESE writes: > Jayton Garnett writes: > > I find the solar tower's of water Spain have started using an interesti= ng > > way to produce electricity, create enough of them and we only have to w= orry > > about it again in 6 billion years when the Sun dies. > The key issue is the useful lifetime of the panels.. I believe Jayton is referring to heliostats, not solar cells. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 3 11:39:14 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90A09106566B for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:39:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jayton.garnett@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f211.google.com (mail-bw0-f211.google.com [209.85.218.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C21B8FC1C for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:39:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz3 with SMTP id 3so956620bwz.13 for ; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 03:39:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=wD3z2eq5Db0Sc2XGvCMSfGSkVKY9iC8XiZSwe38xIA8=; b=akUQ2PajkiO4sC9XMfjBHmfkot/NUOyPJNUQBvgm/twm+quwkQuxQrNzc6+xA9grlB ukCaJTaDb3UnwvJpCz3FSWucvD88QdkzlTJmYRtRO/FuGF1VAV6GU+eu5/jNIup7x7Gk ru46Nr0q5qPBiG1wsJ/gf9PbgP7uLIeLbro+E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=iw+8DXnPCDkpNVxmhEV7euM21qiWRUs56OmqrsKZRT1jpt0ISOUiFJrVDBk+BMXZ8z UznK63q9Nb1Pl13AEzhYzZxI88O6+PRLlas2VTc4ELcqSFYWpXvB2FmFFR3AVBXTfife kD2UQWZ3BJvnfwZL4GS0lnmZA3lvHqdfJECwo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.24.78 with SMTP id u14mr756675bkb.122.1265197152892; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 03:39:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <863a1iefex.fsf@ds4.des.no> References: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <201001272329.48695.erich@ovitrap.com> <867hqxw35n.fsf@ds4.des.no> <201002021053.50193.erich@ovitrap.com> <863a1j50ls.fsf@ds4.des.no> <863a1iefex.fsf@ds4.des.no> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:39:12 +0000 Message-ID: From: Jayton Garnett To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag=2DErling_Sm=F8rgrav?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Erich Dollansky , KAYVEN RIESE , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 11:39:14 -0000 > > > > I believe Jayton is referring to heliostats, not solar cells. > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no > That is correct. The reflectors are *basically mirrors* directing the sun's energy to the tower where it super heats the steam, it's a very good, cheap and low maintenance way to produce electricity (from what I understand). -- Jay From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 3 15:03:43 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8F1D1065670 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 15:03:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E4A8FC1B for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 15:03:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o13F3g54041920 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:03:42 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daleco.biz Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ezekiel.daleco.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id rekpwwACNuyX for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:03:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz (ezekiel.daleco.biz [66.76.92.18]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o13F3Z8R041916 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:03:36 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <4B699047.8060108@daleco.biz> Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:03:35 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090929) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <201001272329.48695.erich@ovitrap.com> <867hqxw35n.fsf@ds4.des.no> <201002021053.50193.erich@ovitrap.com> <863a1j50ls.fsf@ds4.des.no> <863a1iefex.fsf@ds4.des.no> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 15:03:43 -0000 Jayton Garnett wrote: > > *basically mirrors* > > low maintenance > Confucius say: Who lives in glass house, must learn to wash window. KDK From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 3 16:10:59 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB6041065672 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 16:10:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@ovitrap.com) Received: from nomoremozzie.com (nomoremozzie.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B57FA8FC1F for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 16:10:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.110] ([112.199.163.122]) (authenticated bits=0) by nomoremozzie.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o13GAoRl026926; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:10:54 -0700 From: Erich Dollansky Organization: ALO Green Technologies Pte Ltd To: Jayton Garnett Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 00:10:34 +0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <863a1iefex.fsf@ds4.des.no> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201002040010.38170.erich@ovitrap.com> Cc: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?= , KAYVEN RIESE , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:11:00 -0000 Hi, On 03 February 2010 pm 19:39:12 Jayton Garnett wrote: > > > > That is correct. The reflectors are *basically mirrors* directing the sun's > energy to the tower where it super heats the steam, it's a very good, cheap > and low maintenance way to produce electricity (from what I understand). only the control of the mirrors have wear and tear. The mirros get 'blind' over time. It is the most effective way to convert sunlight into usable energy. Was it is six times more effective as silicon? The best is that it is all low technology. Erich From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 3 19:27:43 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C6C510656A4 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 19:27:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@telenix.org) Received: from mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF94B8FC12 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 19:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 3025 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2010 19:27:42 -0000 Received: from april.chuckr.org (HELO april.telenix.org) (chuckr@[66.92.151.30]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 3 Feb 2010 19:27:42 -0000 Message-ID: <4B69CE8A.1050300@telenix.org> Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 14:29:14 -0500 From: Chuck Robey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090121) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <4B67A778.7040001@telenix.org> <87vdefgtbx.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20100202231840.GB1920@comcast.net> <87k4uvgp5o.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20100203064734.GC1920@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <20100203064734.GC1920@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 19:27:43 -0000 Charlie Kester wrote: > On Tue 02 Feb 2010 at 16:04:51 PST Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >> On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 15:18:41 -0800, Charlie Kester >> wrote: >>> On Tue 02 Feb 2010 at 14:34:42 PST Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >>>> I've been trying Rhythmbox too lately. It also recognizes IDv3 tags, >>>> has playlist support, podcast download and archive support, last.fm >>>> integration and online streaming radio support. Some bits of the UI >>>> are, to put it mildly, "dumped down". This is a common problem of many >>>> Gnome applications these days, it seems. I've only used it for about a >>>> week or two now, so I can't really say if I _like_ it yet. >>> >>> I've been trying Exaile and Rhythmbox too. I think I prefer Rhythmbox, >>> because it handles my .m3u playlists in the way I like. It immediately >>> lists them in the sidebar under Playlists, and they persist there from >>> session to session. >> >> Yes, that's a really _nice_ feature of Rhythmbox :-) >> >> When I am trying to 'enter the zone' and code for 3-4 hours without jumps >> from one context to another, I often load a large m3u playlist to >> Rhythmbox >> and let it repeat itself forever. Then I start writing and lose >> myself in >> the process of creating things instead of going back and forth between my >> terminal and the player in an effort to "keep the playlist filled with >> nice >> music". >> >> The context switch from the work I am going to the player is always >> hurtful >> for my concentration, so persistent playlists help me avoid it as much >> as possible. > > OTOH, if I want continuous random playback of a playlist without the > overhead of a graphical music manager, I go with > > mpg123 -C -Z -@ playlist.m3u > > in a terminal window. To make it easier to launch this by clicking the > m3u file in a file manager like Thunar, I have a desktop settings file > for it. ~/.local/share/applications/mpg123-random-usercreated.desktop: > > [Desktop Entry] > Encoding=UTF-8 > Type=Application > Terminal=true > Name=mpg123-random > Exec=mpg123 -C -Z -@ %F > MimeType=audio/mpeg I asked for all opinions, but I need to answer here before my thread gets hijacked. I DON'T WANT GUI-less operation, I don't want random playback. I really do appreciate your response, but what I'm after is the best possible mp3 player GUI for managing the creation and manipulation of playlist driven playback. The only possible reason I have for replying here is to avoid getting all thouse responses from folks who don't like GUIs. Hell, I'm usually in that camp, but not this time. The suggestion I got for musicpd is a player with lots of hooks into GUIs (according to the email) but my playback already works excellently, what I'm after is the GUI, not the server. I've had some great suggestions so far. I think I'll go try amarok first, and maybe rhythmbox next. You folks are REALLY helpful, thanks!! > > Then either I associate this with the .m3u file type in the usual way, > or I leave .m3u associated with something else and use "Open with other > Application" to select mpg123-random. > When I'm deeply immersed in my work, I don't need to see the album cover > and other info the graphical music managers show me about the currently > playing song. mpg123 gives more than enough such info, but I almost > never look at it. (The only reason I run it in a terminal window is to > make it easy to shutdown and to be able to skip past a song I've decided > I no longer like -- hence the use of the -C option.) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 3 20:37:43 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2359E106566C for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 20:37:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C59B18FC0C for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 20:37:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.89]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dQ9h1d0051vXlb853YdVem; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 20:37:29 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dYen1d0021f6R9u3dYeolQ; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 20:38:51 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 03 Feb 2010 12:37:36 -0800 Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 12:37:36 -0800 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20100203203736.GE1920@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <4B67A778.7040001@telenix.org> <87vdefgtbx.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20100202231840.GB1920@comcast.net> <87k4uvgp5o.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20100203064734.GC1920@comcast.net> <4B69CE8A.1050300@telenix.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4B69CE8A.1050300@telenix.org> X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.20 X-Composer: VIM 7.2 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: Recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 20:37:43 -0000 On Wed 03 Feb 2010 at 11:29:14 PST Chuck Robey wrote: > >I asked for all opinions, but I need to answer here before my thread gets >hijacked. I DON'T WANT GUI-less operation, I don't want random playback. I >really do appreciate your response, but what I'm after is the best possible mp3 >player GUI for managing the creation and manipulation of playlist driven playback. > >The only possible reason I have for replying here is to avoid getting all >thouse responses from folks who don't like GUIs. Hell, I'm usually in that >camp, but not this time. The suggestion I got for musicpd is a player with lots >of hooks into GUIs (according to the email) but my playback already works >excellently, what I'm after is the GUI, not the server. > >I've had some great suggestions so far. I think I'll go try amarok >first, and maybe rhythmbox next. You folks are REALLY helpful, >thanks!! Sorry, I didn't mean to hijack your thread! Amarok is very popular and is a good choice, despite what someone said about the latest version having a case of featuritis. The older 1.4 version from ports is quite good. A little heavier in resource usage than rhythmbox or exaile, but it's a solid implementation with no missing features. It handles my favorite podcasts correctly too, so there's no need to pair it with PenguinTV. And it includes an equalizer, something I've sorely missed in Rhythmbox and Exaile. I had some m3u playlists with bad path info for some of the tracks. Wih amarok, I was able to drag the track from my "Collection" and drop it in the imported playlist. The m3u file was automatically updated with the correct info. Now that's cool! From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 4 12:22:12 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 239C5106566B for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:22:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@e.0x20.net) Received: from mail.0x20.net (mail.0x20.net [217.69.67.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D780A8FC15 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.0x20.net (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 3BF313A601; Thu, 4 Feb 2010 13:05:12 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 13:05:12 +0100 From: Lars Engels To: Chuck Robey Message-ID: <20100204120512.GU61667@e.0x20.net> References: <4B67A778.7040001@telenix.org> <87vdefgtbx.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20100202231840.GB1920@comcast.net> <87k4uvgp5o.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20100203064734.GC1920@comcast.net> <4B69CE8A.1050300@telenix.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="gneEPciiIl/aKvOT" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4B69CE8A.1050300@telenix.org> X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 7.2 X-Operation-System: FreeBSD 5.5-RELEASE-p19 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 12:22:12 -0000 --gneEPciiIl/aKvOT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 02:29:14PM -0500, Chuck Robey wrote: > I've had some great suggestions so far. I think I'll go try amarok first, and > maybe rhythmbox next. You folks are REALLY helpful, thanks!! If you don't mind using java, you can also take a look at atunes. --gneEPciiIl/aKvOT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAktqt/cACgkQKc512sD3afgzbACdFWKy/EeCDMwXvQ1oilKdrA9k D4EAoLaa0FOb72ApdEg7OpXolT+k7QOf =bMNr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --gneEPciiIl/aKvOT-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 5 03:41:57 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 786C71065670 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2010 03:41:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@telenix.org) Received: from mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047208FC14 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2010 03:41:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 256 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2010 03:41:56 -0000 Received: from april.chuckr.org (HELO april.telenix.org) (chuckr@[66.92.151.30]) (envelope-sender ) by mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 5 Feb 2010 03:41:56 -0000 Message-ID: <4B6B93E6.7030905@telenix.org> Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:43:34 -0500 From: Chuck Robey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090121) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <4B67A778.7040001@telenix.org> <87vdefgtbx.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20100202231840.GB1920@comcast.net> <87k4uvgp5o.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20100203064734.GC1920@comcast.net> <4B69CE8A.1050300@telenix.org> <20100203203736.GE1920@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <20100203203736.GE1920@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 03:41:57 -0000 Charlie Kester wrote: > On Wed 03 Feb 2010 at 11:29:14 PST Chuck Robey wrote: >> >> I asked for all opinions, but I need to answer here before my thread gets >> hijacked. I DON'T WANT GUI-less operation, I don't want random >> playback. I >> really do appreciate your response, but what I'm after is the best >> possible mp3 >> player GUI for managing the creation and manipulation of playlist >> driven playback. >> >> The only possible reason I have for replying here is to avoid getting >> all >> thouse responses from folks who don't like GUIs. Hell, I'm usually in >> that >> camp, but not this time. The suggestion I got for musicpd is a player >> with lots >> of hooks into GUIs (according to the email) but my playback already works >> excellently, what I'm after is the GUI, not the server. >> >> I've had some great suggestions so far. I think I'll go try amarok >> first, and maybe rhythmbox next. You folks are REALLY helpful, >> thanks!! > > Sorry, I didn't mean to hijack your thread! > Amarok is very popular and is a good choice, despite what someone said > about the latest version having a case of featuritis. The older 1.4 > version from ports is quite good. A little heavier in resource usage > than rhythmbox or exaile, but it's a solid implementation with no > missing features. > It handles my favorite podcasts correctly too, so there's no need to > pair it with PenguinTV. And it includes an equalizer, something I've > sorely missed in Rhythmbox and Exaile. > I had some m3u playlists with bad path info for some of the tracks. Wih > amarok, I was able to drag the track from my "Collection" and drop it in > the imported playlist. The m3u file was automatically updated with the > correct info. Now that's cool! Now that's helpful, thanks! Geeze, I can't count the number of times I've gone back, realized I was being sarcastic, trimmed that out, and avoided gross embarrassment when it's been subsequently proved that *I* was wrong. This time, I came too close to accusing you of hijacking ... but my rereading rule saved my ass again. I was more trying to make sure it *didn't* happen, and *not* saying you did it, which (as a matter of fact) you didn't. I tried both rhythmbox and quodlibet, they both failed to build, and I didn't get a chance to see what the real problem is yet. Audacious comes next, then (maybe, if audacious fails) amarok. I'm going to keep your name around & about, you certainly know more than I about music. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 5 04:40:12 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204C91065679 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2010 04:40:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@telenix.org) Received: from mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F32928FC13 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2010 04:40:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 23324 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2010 04:40:11 -0000 Received: from april.chuckr.org (HELO april.telenix.org) (chuckr@[66.92.151.30]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 5 Feb 2010 04:40:11 -0000 Message-ID: <4B6BA18E.40401@telenix.org> Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:41:50 -0500 From: Chuck Robey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090121) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <4B67A778.7040001@telenix.org> <87vdefgtbx.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20100202231840.GB1920@comcast.net> <87k4uvgp5o.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20100203064734.GC1920@comcast.net> <4B69CE8A.1050300@telenix.org> <20100203203736.GE1920@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <20100203203736.GE1920@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 04:40:12 -0000 Charlie Kester wrote: > On Wed 03 Feb 2010 at 11:29:14 PST Chuck Robey wrote: >> >> I asked for all opinions, but I need to answer here before my thread gets >> hijacked. I DON'T WANT GUI-less operation, I don't want random >> playback. I >> really do appreciate your response, but what I'm after is the best >> possible mp3 >> player GUI for managing the creation and manipulation of playlist >> driven playback. >> >> The only possible reason I have for replying here is to avoid getting >> all >> thouse responses from folks who don't like GUIs. Hell, I'm usually in >> that >> camp, but not this time. The suggestion I got for musicpd is a player >> with lots >> of hooks into GUIs (according to the email) but my playback already works >> excellently, what I'm after is the GUI, not the server. >> >> I've had some great suggestions so far. I think I'll go try amarok >> first, and maybe rhythmbox next. You folks are REALLY helpful, >> thanks!! > > Sorry, I didn't mean to hijack your thread! > Amarok is very popular and is a good choice, despite what someone said > about the latest version having a case of featuritis. The older 1.4 > version from ports is quite good. A little heavier in resource usage > than rhythmbox or exaile, but it's a solid implementation with no > missing features. > It handles my favorite podcasts correctly too, so there's no need to > pair it with PenguinTV. And it includes an equalizer, something I've > sorely missed in Rhythmbox and Exaile. > I had some m3u playlists with bad path info for some of the tracks. Wih > amarok, I was able to drag the track from my "Collection" and drop it in > the imported playlist. The m3u file was automatically updated with the > correct info. Now that's cool! Charlie, I have my audio playing by using artsd, using speakers which connect directly to my PC via optical (I don't use direct wired connections, only optical or spdif). I can't seem to get any audio out of audacious, so I looked into the preferences, and couldn't see any option to connect via artsd. OK, I'm willing to change here if I must (not anxious, because artsd has so far connected perfectly to everything else) but what driver would you recommend? Jack? Or maybe esound? I looked over jack, and was a little surprised to find not one word in that port referring to how to set up rc.conf to autostart it, couldn't even find something in /usr/local/etc/rc.d for it. How's jack start up? I haven't looked at esound yet. I've got a X11 problem too, but I figured that was outside the stuff you've been helping me on, so I asked that on another list. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 5 05:05:51 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 044DF106566B for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2010 05:05:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@telenix.org) Received: from mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D79DB8FC12 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2010 05:05:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 16094 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2010 05:05:49 -0000 Received: from april.chuckr.org (HELO april.telenix.org) (chuckr@[66.92.151.30]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 5 Feb 2010 05:05:49 -0000 Message-ID: <4B6BA790.2070500@telenix.org> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:07:28 -0500 From: Chuck Robey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090121) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Engels References: <4B67A778.7040001@telenix.org> <87vdefgtbx.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20100202231840.GB1920@comcast.net> <87k4uvgp5o.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20100203064734.GC1920@comcast.net> <4B69CE8A.1050300@telenix.org> <20100204120512.GU61667@e.0x20.net> In-Reply-To: <20100204120512.GU61667@e.0x20.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 05:05:51 -0000 Lars Engels wrote: > On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 02:29:14PM -0500, Chuck Robey wrote: > >> I've had some great suggestions so far. I think I'll go try amarok first, and >> maybe rhythmbox next. You folks are REALLY helpful, thanks!! > > If you don't mind using java, you can also take a look at atunes. Hadn't before, but I will now, thanks. I was kinda less than overjoyed that audacious forced me to abandon artsd (maybe I did something wrong?) but moving to esound fixed it. I tried to move to jack, but the freebsd-specific help stinks on that ... I *think* it's trying to force me to use the Linux audio driver, which I *won't* do. I have jdk 1.6 working amazingly well, so next stop is a look at atunes, for my curiosity ... because I have to admit, audacious fits my requirements. Amarok just wouldn't build, a C++ compile error. I *do* know c++, but I'm just no expert in it, so troubleshooting C++ isn'[t my first choice (hell, I truly dislike C++ for the specific reason that it's hard to troubleshoot, even for experts.) They've tossed in so many "features" .... From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 5 09:18:00 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B7621065676 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2010 09:18:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 097F58FC0C for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2010 09:17:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.74]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id e9Hq1d0011c6gX8519J022; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 09:18:00 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id e9K11d0011f6R9u3j9K286; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 09:19:03 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 05 Feb 2010 01:17:56 -0800 Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 01:17:56 -0800 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20100205091756.GB2121@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <4B67A778.7040001@telenix.org> <87vdefgtbx.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20100202231840.GB1920@comcast.net> <87k4uvgp5o.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20100203064734.GC1920@comcast.net> <4B69CE8A.1050300@telenix.org> <20100204120512.GU61667@e.0x20.net> <4B6BA790.2070500@telenix.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4B6BA790.2070500@telenix.org> X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.20 X-Composer: VIM 7.2 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: Recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 09:18:00 -0000 On Thu 04 Feb 2010 at 21:07:28 PST Chuck Robey wrote: >Amarok just wouldn't build, a C++ compile error. I *do* know c++, but >I'm just no expert in it, so troubleshooting C++ isn'[t my first choice >(hell, I truly dislike C++ for the specific reason that it's hard to >troubleshoot, even for experts.) They've tossed in so many "features" You're not installing amarok via the FreeBSD ports system? I just installed the port again myself the other day, after reading this thread, and I didn't encounter any problems with the compile or the install. Re your other questions about sound drivers, I'm afraid I can't help you there. It's beyond my expertise. But FWIW, I usually use OSS.