From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 18 16:38:32 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E2E7106566B for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2010 16:38:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) Received: from iron3-mailrl.sfsu.edu (iron3-mailrl.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.122]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CA188FC14 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2010 16:38:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Inbound-SFSU: False X-onepass: IPPSC X-From-SFSU: True X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAHfMykuC1B9c/2dsb2JhbACbeXGwG4hdgnaCGgSDMoEtgWyFTQ Received: from edg03.sfsu.edu ([130.212.31.92]) by iron3.sfsu.edu with ESMTP; 18 Apr 2010 09:38:31 -0700 Received: from EHB03.ad.sfsu.edu (130.212.31.27) by edg03.sfsu.edu (130.212.31.92) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.0.689.0; Sun, 18 Apr 2010 09:38:31 -0700 Received: from smtp01.sfsu.edu (130.212.10.100) by ehb.ad.sfsu.edu (130.212.31.27) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.0.689.0; Sun, 18 Apr 2010 09:38:31 -0700 Received: from libra.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.238]) by mail05a.sfsu.edu (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.4HF59) with ESMTP id 2010041809383014-198 ; Sun, 18 Apr 2010 09:38:30 -0700 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 09:38:29 -0700 From: KAYVEN RIESE To: Tony Theodore In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <4BBA3264.5050702@gmail.com> <4BC88AD8.1000503@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on MAIL05a/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.4HF59 | August 11, 2009) at 04/18/2010 09:38:30, Serialize by Router on SMTP01/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.4|March 23, 2009) at 04/18/2010 09:38:31, Serialize complete at 04/18/2010 09:38:31 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed Cc: deeptech71@gmail.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD anti-competitive activities X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 16:38:32 -0000 On Sat, 17 Apr 2010, Tony Theodore wrote: > On 17 April 2010 02:05, wrote: >> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=misc/145735 >> Something sure stinks here... > > I find most installers these days are overly opinionated, gparted (and > sometimes OSX Disk Utility) are the safest bets - or just give away > multi-booting and simply run virtual machines. I'm remembering now Vista being a culprit last time I was messing with this.. it kept switching how it is required to do dual boot. My take right now on "the conspiracy" is that all OS developers, FreeBSD and Microsoft have increasingly had a sense that there are resources that they need to dominate, and that this is some sort of design decision, not really having in mind the whole dual boot concept. All this for me has fallen by the wayside, because I have long since decided that each OS warrants its very own dedicated hard drive instead of negotiating with these MBR headaches. Make sure you get a nice static grounding bracelet. > > Tony > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 18 17:34:50 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B0E9106566B for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2010 17:34:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tonyt@logyst.com) Received: from smtp.webfaction.com (mail6.webfaction.com [74.55.86.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE32C8FC0A for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2010 17:34:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-px0-f182.google.com (mail-px0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by smtp.webfaction.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA1F01C75E55 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2010 12:34:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so61101pxi.13 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2010 10:34:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.20.3 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Apr 2010 10:34:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4BBA3264.5050702@gmail.com> <4BC88AD8.1000503@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 03:34:46 +1000 Received: by 10.140.82.25 with SMTP id f25mr3350813rvb.248.1271612086904; Sun, 18 Apr 2010 10:34:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: Tony Theodore To: KAYVEN RIESE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: deeptech71@gmail.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD anti-competitive activities X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 17:34:50 -0000 On 19 April 2010 02:38, KAYVEN RIESE wrote: > On Sat, 17 Apr 2010, Tony Theodore wrote: > >> On 17 April 2010 02:05, =C2=A0 wrote: >>> >>> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3Dmisc/145735 >>> Something sure stinks here... >> >> I find most installers these days are overly opinionated, gparted (and >> sometimes OSX Disk Utility) are the safest bets - or just give away >> multi-booting and simply run virtual machines. > > I'm remembering now Vista being a culprit last time I was messing with > this.. it kept switching how it is required to do dual boot. =C2=A0My tak= e right > now on "the conspiracy" is that all OS developers, FreeBSD and Microsoft > have increasingly had a sense that there are resources that they need to > dominate, and that this is some sort of design decision, not really havin= g > in mind the whole dual boot concept. I don't think it's a conspiracy, just a realisation that with limited resources it's impossible to play nicely with the plethora of partitioning schemes - in a way that's seamless to the majority of users who simply install a single OS. It's actually a very sane design decision (if it's that at all). I'd rather FreeBSD developers spent their time on the OS, not on booting scenarios. > All this for me has fallen by the wayside, because I have long since deci= ded > that each OS warrants its very own dedicated hard drive instead of > negotiating with these MBR headaches. =C2=A0Make sure you get a nice stat= ic > grounding bracelet. I don't have that many drives :). These days with virtual machines and bootable external drives, it's very rare that I need to multi-boot. I tend to go for extra RAM and faster drives rather than more drives - depends on your use case of course. If I do need to set such things up, dedicated partitioners are much easier than OS installers. Tony