From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 17 14:39:08 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB91106564A; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 14:39:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED4218FC20; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 14:39:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [93.104.57.70] (helo=current.Sisis.de) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P7UO8-0003v9-Vc; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 16:39:05 +0200 Received: from current.Sisis.de (current [127.0.0.1]) by current.Sisis.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o9HEd2RW071219; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 16:39:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by current.Sisis.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id o9HEd1Lg071218; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 16:39:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: current.Sisis.de: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 16:39:01 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: bdsfbsd@att.net Message-ID: <20101017143901.GA71132@current.Sisis.de> References: <20101004233302.GA62267@takino.homeftp.org> <20101004195012.GA2023@tiny> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Originating-IP: 93.104.57.70 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Netbooks & BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 14:39:08 -0000 El día Wednesday, October 06, 2010 a las 09:33:08AM -0400, bdsfbsd@att.net escribió: > +1 on EeePC, mine being the 1000. This uses a not-yet-supported wireless > card (rt2860), but a driver is available and seems to work fine: > http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=7010 > http://repo.or.cz/w/ralink_drivers.git > (Contrary to the troll-bait happening in a similar thread right now..) > > Matthias took the plunge for KDE, which I do like, but for my Eee I went > with Xfce. Matthias' work and documentation is more thorough than mine, so > I'm looking thorough it for ideas. > > BTW, the specs on the 900AX make me think that Asus is using the model to > offload old hardware. But if the price is very low, it still may be worth > it. Personally I prefer to have an SSD instead of HDD, and I wouldn't want > a screen any smaller than the 10". > > Brian Well, I'm a poor stupid. I damaged the display of my EeePC 900 and I'm now thinking to get it replaced (for around 135 euro) or to buy a new netbook. I don't even see the EeePC 1000 here in Germany in the market, only the 1000H which seems to have a 160 GB hard disk, and I would like to stay with SSD... Any alternative netbooks outside Asus which run FreeBSD? Thanks matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 17 18:48:41 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA4CB106566B for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 18:48:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4158E8FC17 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 18:48:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o9HIHGNp096668; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 12:17:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id o9HIHGl7096665; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 12:17:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 12:17:16 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Matthias Apitz In-Reply-To: <20101017143901.GA71132@current.Sisis.de> Message-ID: References: <20101004233302.GA62267@takino.homeftp.org> <20101004195012.GA2023@tiny> <20101017143901.GA71132@current.Sisis.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 17 Oct 2010 12:17:16 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, bdsfbsd@att.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Netbooks & BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 18:48:41 -0000 On Sun, 17 Oct 2010, Matthias Apitz wrote: > Any alternative netbooks outside Asus which run FreeBSD? Of course. The Acer Aspire models vary, but the D250 is nice. http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/index.html From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 17 22:20:46 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1044F106566C for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 22:20:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markus.hoenicka@mhoenicka.de) Received: from smtprelay04.ispgateway.de (smtprelay04.ispgateway.de [80.67.31.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FCA28FC17 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 22:20:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [93.135.128.78] (helo=yeti.mininet) by smtprelay04.ispgateway.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1P7bR3-0008Oo-CW for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 00:10:33 +0200 X-Mailer: emacs 23.1.1 (via feedmail 8 I); VM 8.0.14 under 23.1.1 (i386-portbld-freebsd8.0) From: "Markus Hoenicka" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19643.29787.88224.821906@yeti.mininet> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 00:10:35 +0200 To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Df-Sender: 472582 Subject: FreeBSD on subnotebooks X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 22:20:46 -0000 Hi all, along the lines of a query about FreeBSD on netbooks which appeared on this list lately, I'd like to ask for some advice on current subnotebooks. I've been running FreeBSD versions 6.2 through 8.0 on a MSI S260 subnotebook. This used to be a real nice companion. However, after roughly five years the internal speakers are dead, the battery jack is unreliable and requires endless juggling to get the battery charged (not to mention that the battery lasts only 30-odd minutes these days), and the screen backlight works at the lowest setting only, making the machine usable only at night :-( I'd like to purchase a replacement which is equally capable of running FreeBSD. My preferences are as follows: - dual core if at all possible - screen resolution something like 1280x800 or 1366x768 - screen size roughly 12' or 13', no more, no less - graphics should allow hassle-free watching of DVDs and Flash movies, but I don't have any interest in gaming. Also, I'll have to run OpenOffice presentations quite often, which are painfully slow on my current box as soon as animations are involved - FreeBSD will be the sole OS on this box - VGA jack is a must (I frequenly need a data projector) - WLAN must be supported - CD/DVD reader/burner may be built-in, but an external USB device would be ok too (I assume FreeBSD can handle this) - price should not exceed 700 EUR/$ (yes, the exchange rate for EUR and $ seems to be close to 1.0 in terms of computer prices) I'm aware of the FreeBSD Laptop compatibility list at http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/index.html, but I couldn't find two models which look quite interesting to me. These are: HP Pavillion DM3/1120eg Stylebook Lenovo Z360 Core i5 I'd be glad if anyone could confirm or deny that FreeBSD works properly on these boxes, or post any experiences on these boxes regarding my computing requirements. I'd also be glad if you could point me to comparable boxes that positively do run FreeBSD. One more question: I've noticed that most subnotebooks ship with 4GB of memory these days. If I understand correctly, I can use that much memory only when using the amd64 branch of FreeBSD. Will that affect hardware compatibility in any way? thanks in advance Markus -- Markus Hoenicka http://www.mhoenicka.de AQ score 38 From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 19 07:46:20 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF60D106564A; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 07:46:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8BC28FC17; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 07:46:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [109.85.94.84] (helo=current.Sisis.de) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P86tl-0001rb-K2; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 09:46:18 +0200 Received: from current.Sisis.de (current [127.0.0.1]) by current.Sisis.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o9J7kH9S002267; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 09:46:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by current.Sisis.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id o9J7kFc3002266; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 09:46:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: current.Sisis.de: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 09:46:15 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Warren Block Message-ID: <20101019074615.GA2183@current.Sisis.de> References: <20101004233302.GA62267@takino.homeftp.org> <20101004195012.GA2023@tiny> <20101017143901.GA71132@current.Sisis.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Originating-IP: 109.85.94.84 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, bdsfbsd@att.net, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Netbooks & BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 07:46:21 -0000 El día Sunday, October 17, 2010 a las 12:17:16PM -0600, Warren Block escribió: > On Sun, 17 Oct 2010, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > Any alternative netbooks outside Asus which run FreeBSD? > > Of course. The Acer Aspire models vary, but the D250 is nice. Just to make sure: you mean the "Acer Aspire One D250" netbook? But this seems to have a SATA hard disk, or are there models out with SSD? In any case, it sells for around 300 euro (around USD 380) and seems to be an alternative as getting my Eee PC 900 repaired for the same price :-) Thanks matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 19 20:53:33 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71EFB1065697; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 20:53:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FA398FC12; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 20:53:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o9JKrVB2006703; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 14:53:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id o9JKrUka006700; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 14:53:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 14:53:30 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Matthias Apitz In-Reply-To: <20101019074615.GA2183@current.Sisis.de> Message-ID: References: <20101004233302.GA62267@takino.homeftp.org> <20101004195012.GA2023@tiny> <20101017143901.GA71132@current.Sisis.de> <20101019074615.GA2183@current.Sisis.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 19 Oct 2010 14:53:31 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, bdsfbsd@att.net, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Netbooks & BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 20:53:33 -0000 On Tue, 19 Oct 2010, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El d?a Sunday, October 17, 2010 a las 12:17:16PM -0600, Warren Block escribi?: > >> On Sun, 17 Oct 2010, Matthias Apitz wrote: >> >>> Any alternative netbooks outside Asus which run FreeBSD? >> >> Of course. The Acer Aspire models vary, but the D250 is nice. > > Just to make sure: you mean the "Acer Aspire One D250" netbook? But this > seems to have a SATA hard disk, or are there models out with SSD? Mine has a SATA drive, but there shouldn't be any reason it couldn't use a SATA SSD in that form factor. I should add that just over the last couple of days, my D250 has started to panic at random times. That's new, and I don't know what's causing it. Given that it was a scrap machine I repaired, it may be hardware failure. > In any case, it sells for around 300 euro (around USD 380) and seems to > be an alternative as getting my Eee PC 900 repaired for the same price Now that the netbook craze is over, there are quite a few lightly-used ones for sale, often around $150 here. Look around before buying new. Relatively older models like the D250 may be better for FreeBSD, because they have Intel video that works with the accelerated xorg driver. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 19 22:04:33 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0805106567A for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 22:04:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert.raimund@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C2EC8FC15 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 22:04:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 19 Oct 2010 21:37:52 -0000 Received: from host-194126238033.net-serwis.pl (EHLO localhost) [194.126.238.33] by mail.gmx.net (mp070) with SMTP; 19 Oct 2010 23:37:52 +0200 X-Authenticated: #18511094 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/agUJ9T3/aJZdugw+KVE01qe53tdeD/AVkuB+L1a JgjHD9GRHT9Sy5 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 23:37:53 +0200 From: herbert langhans To: Warren Block Message-ID: <20101019213753.GA500@lynx> References: <20101004233302.GA62267@takino.homeftp.org> <20101004195012.GA2023@tiny> <20101017143901.GA71132@current.Sisis.de> <20101019074615.GA2183@current.Sisis.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: Matthias Apitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, bdsfbsd@att.net Subject: Re: Netbooks & BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 22:04:33 -0000 The cheapo way, if you get a model without a harddisk, is a compact flash card with an adapter for a few bucks. I currently have this combination in my Thinkpad (although its an ata to CF-adapter). Works great, lightweight, shockproof and reads really fast from the 'harddisk'. Downside is the slower writing - but enough RAM makes sure it doesnt swap to the CF-Card. Eight Gigabyte is enough for me, most data are on the server anyway. Highly recommendable.. Cheers herb langhans On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 02:53:30PM -0600, Warren Block wrote: > On Tue, 19 Oct 2010, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > >El d?a Sunday, October 17, 2010 a las 12:17:16PM -0600, Warren Block escribi?: > > > >>On Sun, 17 Oct 2010, Matthias Apitz wrote: > >> > >>>Any alternative netbooks outside Asus which run FreeBSD? > >> > >>Of course. The Acer Aspire models vary, but the D250 is nice. > > > >Just to make sure: you mean the "Acer Aspire One D250" netbook? But this > >seems to have a SATA hard disk, or are there models out with SSD? > > Mine has a SATA drive, but there shouldn't be any reason it couldn't > use a SATA SSD in that form factor. I should add that just over the > last couple of days, my D250 has started to panic at random times. > That's new, and I don't know what's causing it. Given that it was a > scrap machine I repaired, it may be hardware failure. > > >In any case, it sells for around 300 euro (around USD 380) and seems to > >be an alternative as getting my Eee PC 900 repaired for the same price > > Now that the netbook craze is over, there are quite a few > lightly-used ones for sale, often around $150 here. Look around > before buying new. Relatively older models like the D250 may be > better for FreeBSD, because they have Intel video that works with > the accelerated xorg driver. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- sprachtraining langhans herbert langhans, warschau herbert.raimundgmx.net http://www.langhans.com.pl +0048 603 341 441 | jabber:herbs | icq:414500866 | yahoo_im:herbert.raimund From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 20 02:49:31 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 782B91065670 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 02:49:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45BFC8FC12 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 02:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 937D8E80C03; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 19:29:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 19:29:46 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Warren Block Message-ID: <20101020022946.GA23035@thought.org> References: <20101004233302.GA62267@takino.homeftp.org> <20101004195012.GA2023@tiny> <20101017143901.GA71132@current.Sisis.de> <20101019074615.GA2183@current.Sisis.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: Matthias Apitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, bdsfbsd@att.net Subject: Re: Netbooks & BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 02:49:31 -0000 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 02:53:30PM -0600, Warren Block wrote: > On Tue, 19 Oct 2010, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > >El d?a Sunday, October 17, 2010 a las 12:17:16PM -0600, Warren Block escribi?: > > > >>On Sun, 17 Oct 2010, Matthias Apitz wrote: > >> > >>>Any alternative netbooks outside Asus which run FreeBSD? > >> > >>Of course. The Acer Aspire models vary, but the D250 is nice. > > > >Just to make sure: you mean the "Acer Aspire One D250" netbook? But this > >seems to have a SATA hard disk, or are there models out with SSD? > > Mine has a SATA drive, but there shouldn't be any reason it couldn't > use a SATA SSD in that form factor. I should add that just over the > last couple of days, my D250 has started to panic at random times. > That's new, and I don't know what's causing it. Given that it was a > scrap machine I repaired, it may be hardware failure. > > >In any case, it sells for around 300 euro (around USD 380) and seems to > >be an alternative as getting my Eee PC 900 repaired for the same price > > Now that the netbook craze is over, there are quite a few > lightly-used ones for sale, often around $150 here. Look around > before buying new. Relatively older models like the D250 may be > better for FreeBSD, because they have Intel video that works with > the accelerated xorg driver. $150 is seriously in my price range [!] But what about the optical drive? If I can buy one on sale and install FBSD from a CD or DVD, do all optivcal drive fit all notebooks? (( I remember seeing ads on amazon.com saying that "people who purchased this notebook have also bought:) With a few things that I probably will buy. An optical, a 16 or 32G SSD ... &c.) So if there is a fire-sale at Costco or <> for an HP 9" or 10 Atom notebook, will I be able to use another vendor's optical drive? gary PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in the VAX 780 days :-) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.90a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 20 05:26:08 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58D8C106564A; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 05:26:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10CAE8FC15; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 05:26:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [93.104.122.217] (helo=current.Sisis.de) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P8RBV-0007PS-NJ; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 07:25:57 +0200 Received: from current.Sisis.de (current [127.0.0.1]) by current.Sisis.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o9K5Q2QF001999; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 07:26:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by current.Sisis.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id o9K5Q14e001998; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 07:26:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: current.Sisis.de: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 07:26:01 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Gary Kline Message-ID: <20101020052601.GA1977@current.Sisis.de> References: <20101004233302.GA62267@takino.homeftp.org> <20101004195012.GA2023@tiny> <20101017143901.GA71132@current.Sisis.de> <20101019074615.GA2183@current.Sisis.de> <20101020022946.GA23035@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20101020022946.GA23035@thought.org> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Originating-IP: 93.104.122.217 Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, bdsfbsd@att.net Subject: Re: Netbooks & BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 05:26:08 -0000 El día Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline escribió: > PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in the VAX > 780 days :-) I booted my first UNIX V7 tape on a PDP-11 around 1982, I think. matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 20 06:36:34 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C65106566B; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 06:36:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0730E8FC13; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 06:36:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2C2B0E80C03; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 23:36:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 23:36:02 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Matthias Apitz Message-ID: <20101020063601.GB23550@thought.org> References: <20101004233302.GA62267@takino.homeftp.org> <20101004195012.GA2023@tiny> <20101017143901.GA71132@current.Sisis.de> <20101019074615.GA2183@current.Sisis.de> <20101020022946.GA23035@thought.org> <20101020052601.GA1977@current.Sisis.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20101020052601.GA1977@current.Sisis.de> X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, bdsfbsd@att.net Subject: Re: Netbooks & BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 06:36:34 -0000 On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 07:26:01AM +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline escribió: > > > PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in the VAX > > 780 days :-) > > I booted my first UNIX V7 tape on a PDP-11 around 1982, I think. > > matthias > > -- > Matthias Apitz > t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 > e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ I taught myself C porting about a dozen utilities from V6 to V7 on the 11/70, summer of '79 :-) That was soooooo, way cool. gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.90a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 20 06:53:00 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A631065674 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 06:53:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from uffe@uffe.org) Received: from mail.starion.dk (mx0.starion.dk [83.95.112.88]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7436A8FC16 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 06:52:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 12830 invoked by uid 528); 20 Oct 2010 06:26:39 -0000 Received: from 212.130.59.4 ([212.130.59.4]) by mail.starion.dk ([192.168.0.100]) with ESMTP via TCP; 20 Oct 2010 06:26:39 -0000 Message-ID: <4CBE8B86.9060608@uffe.org> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 08:26:14 +0200 From: Uffe Jakobsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.10) Gecko/20100512 Thunderbird/3.0.5 Mnenhy/0.7.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20101004233302.GA62267@takino.homeftp.org> <20101004195012.GA2023@tiny> <20101017143901.GA71132@current.Sisis.de> <20101019074615.GA2183@current.Sisis.de> <20101020022946.GA23035@thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20101020022946.GA23035@thought.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Netbooks & BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 06:53:00 -0000 On 20/10/10 04.29, Gary Kline wrote: > > > $150 is seriously in my price range [!] But what about the > optical drive? If I can buy one on sale and install FBSD from a > CD or DVD, do all optivcal drive fit all notebooks? > > > With a few things that I probably will buy. An optical, a 16 or > 32G SSD ...&c.) So if there is a fire-sale at Costco or > <> for an HP 9" or 10 Atom notebook, will I be able > to use another vendor's optical drive? An optical drive will propably not fit in side a 9" or 10" notebook (netbook)... If you are going for a netbook I'd go for an external USB optical drive - all netbooks that I've come across can boot from external usb medias. Personally I prefer to install stable FreeBSD from USB memory stick. Since 8.0 FreeBSD has shipped a "memstick" disk image that nicely fits into a 1G USB memory stick. See: http://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-i386/8.1/FreeBSD-8.1-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img /Uffe From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 20 08:29:15 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F607106566B; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 08:29:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.26.172.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C038FC08; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 08:29:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id o9K7oXMA002244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 20 Oct 2010 00:50:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id o9K7oXVA002243; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 00:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA19581; Wed, 20 Oct 10 00:47:36 PDT Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 00:47:38 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: guru@unixarea.de Message-Id: <4cbe9e9a.3qT7q8JUqJxSD8/V%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <20101004233302.GA62267@takino.homeftp.org> <20101004195012.GA2023@tiny> <20101017143901.GA71132@current.Sisis.de> <20101019074615.GA2183@current.Sisis.de> <20101020022946.GA23035@thought.org> <20101020052601.GA1977@current.Sisis.de> In-Reply-To: <20101020052601.GA1977@current.Sisis.de> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: bdsfbsd@att.net, kline@thought.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 08:29:15 -0000 Matthias Apitz wrote: > El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline escribi?: > > PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in the VAX > > 780 days :-) > I booted my first UNIX V7 tape on a PDP-11 around 1982, I think. Gotcha beat :) UNIX V6, PDP-11/34, RK05 disk cartridge, 1975. The whole runtime fit on one RK05. The sources took a second one. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 20 16:20:48 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A121106564A; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:20:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from mailgw.es.net (mail1.es.net [IPv6:2001:400:201:1::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5442C8FC18; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:20:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [IPv6:2001:400:910::29]) by mailgw.es.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o9KGKihH029875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:20:44 -0700 Received: from ptavv.es.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id B00CA1CC45; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:20:44 -0700 (PDT) To: perryh@pluto.rain.com In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 20 Oct 2010 00:47:38 PDT." <4cbe9e9a.3qT7q8JUqJxSD8/V%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:20:44 -0700 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20101020162044.B00CA1CC45@ptavv.es.net> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, guru@unixarea.de, bdsfbsd@att.net, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, kline@thought.org Subject: Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:20:48 -0000 > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 00:47:38 -0700 > From: perryh@pluto.rain.com > Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org > > Matthias Apitz wrote: > > El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline escribi?: > > > PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in the VAX > > > 780 days :-) > > I booted my first UNIX V7 tape on a PDP-11 around 1982, I think. > > Gotcha beat :) UNIX V6, PDP-11/34, RK05 disk cartridge, 1975. > The whole runtime fit on one RK05. The sources took a second one. UNIX V6 on a PDP-11/40, 2xRK05 disk, 1975, but it was before the 11/34 came out, so I think I have you beat by a few weeks, at least. That said, my project moved away from Unix to DEC's RSX11-D and later IAS, so I had little contact with Unix until about 1980 on a VAX11/750 at the UC-Davis Dept. of Applied Science running BSD 4.1(?). -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 20 16:56:01 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C51B5106564A; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:56:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93B0A8FC14; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:56:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8519DE81091; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:55:26 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: perryh@pluto.rain.com Message-ID: <20101020165526.GA25310@thought.org> References: <20101004233302.GA62267@takino.homeftp.org> <20101004195012.GA2023@tiny> <20101017143901.GA71132@current.Sisis.de> <20101019074615.GA2183@current.Sisis.de> <20101020022946.GA23035@thought.org> <20101020052601.GA1977@current.Sisis.de> <4cbe9e9a.3qT7q8JUqJxSD8/V%perryh@pluto.rain.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4cbe9e9a.3qT7q8JUqJxSD8/V%perryh@pluto.rain.com> X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: bdsfbsd@att.net, guru@unixarea.de, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:56:01 -0000 On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:47:38AM -0700, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > Matthias Apitz wrote: > > El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline escribi?: > > > PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in the VAX > > > 780 days :-) > > I booted my first UNIX V7 tape on a PDP-11 around 1982, I think. > > Gotcha beat :) UNIX V6, PDP-11/34, RK05 disk cartridge, 1975. > The whole runtime fit on one RK05. The sources took a second one. I remember the 11/34 fondly. The whole EE department at Cory Hall was running one one; then when I interned at Livermore my job of porting the "Portable F77 Compiler" was done with vi and the source code that Stu Feldman wrote. I love[d] those bloody old computers, :-) Dunno why. Maybe because they really *were* about computing. Not streaming [[whatever]] or having php running. (Blah^9^9^9) :) -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.90a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 20 17:33:35 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48312106566C; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:33:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16FDD8FC0A; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:33:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 071F5E81091; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:32:59 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Uffe Jakobsen Message-ID: <20101020173259.GD25310@thought.org> References: <20101004233302.GA62267@takino.homeftp.org> <20101004195012.GA2023@tiny> <20101017143901.GA71132@current.Sisis.de> <20101019074615.GA2183@current.Sisis.de> <20101020022946.GA23035@thought.org> <4CBE8B86.9060608@uffe.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4CBE8B86.9060608@uffe.org> X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Netbooks & BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:33:35 -0000 On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 08:26:14AM +0200, Uffe Jakobsen wrote: > > > On 20/10/10 04.29, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > > > $150 is seriously in my price range [!] But what about the > > optical drive? If I can buy one on sale and install FBSD from a > > CD or DVD, do all optivcal drive fit all notebooks? > > > > > > With a few things that I probably will buy. An optical, a 16 or > > 32G SSD ...&c.) So if there is a fire-sale at Costco or > > <> for an HP 9" or 10 Atom notebook, will I be able > > to use another vendor's optical drive? > > An optical drive will propably not fit in side a 9" or 10" notebook > (netbook)... > > If you are going for a netbook I'd go for an external USB optical > drive - all netbooks that I've come across can boot from external > usb medias. > > Personally I prefer to install stable FreeBSD from USB memory stick. > Since 8.0 FreeBSD has shipped a "memstick" disk image that nicely > fits into a 1G USB memory stick. > > See: http://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-i386/8.1/FreeBSD-8.1-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img > > /Uffe Sure, the optical uses [I think] a USB connector. Pretty sure that all these tiny "toys" are made at one factory! and then labeled by the vendor. If all the opticals are essentially the same, then great. --Re memory sticks, I have never used them. It is probably as-simple as using a CDROM or DVD; I'll ck out the URL. gary > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.90a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 20 18:59:55 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D0FC106564A for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 18:59:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 999268FC0C for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 18:59:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eydd26 with SMTP id d26so885188eyd.13 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:59:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.8.67 with SMTP id g3mr3941885ebg.35.1287599522032; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:32:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.127.1 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:32:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [69.91.158.193] In-Reply-To: <20101020173259.GD25310@thought.org> References: <20101004233302.GA62267@takino.homeftp.org> <20101004195012.GA2023@tiny> <20101017143901.GA71132@current.Sisis.de> <20101019074615.GA2183@current.Sisis.de> <20101020022946.GA23035@thought.org> <4CBE8B86.9060608@uffe.org> <20101020173259.GD25310@thought.org> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:32:01 -0700 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: Netbooks & BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 18:59:55 -0000 On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Gary Kline wrote: > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Sure, the optical uses [I think] a USB connector. =A0Prett= y sure > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0that all these tiny "toys" are made at one factory! and th= en > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0labeled by the vendor. =A0If all the opticals are essentia= lly > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0the same, then great. I think they all pretty much follow the same standard. I've even had success using an IDE CD-ROM drive plugged into a USB-to-IDE adapter cable, before. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 20 21:16:25 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64088106566B; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 21:16:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3265A8FC12; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 21:16:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7C70DE82A77; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:15:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:15:46 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: David Brodbeck Message-ID: <20101020211546.GA26611@thought.org> References: <20101004195012.GA2023@tiny> <20101017143901.GA71132@current.Sisis.de> <20101019074615.GA2183@current.Sisis.de> <20101020022946.GA23035@thought.org> <4CBE8B86.9060608@uffe.org> <20101020173259.GD25310@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Netbooks & BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 21:16:25 -0000 On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:32:01AM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote: > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Gary Kline wrote: > >        Sure, the optical uses [I think] a USB connector.  Pretty sure > >        that all these tiny "toys" are made at one factory! and then > >        labeled by the vendor.  If all the opticals are essentially > >        the same, then great. > > I think they all pretty much follow the same standard. I've even had > success using an IDE CD-ROM drive plugged into a USB-to-IDE adapter > cable, before. That kinda makes me laugh, because isn't the idea of USB to have *one* standard plug that fits into one jack? --Seriously, my favorite "clicky" keyboard is a PS/2 and I have a USB adaptor that saved me. The thing about the memsticks is that on my tower cases, you have to get down and crawl around and find the jack... Is there such a thing as a USB "extender" cable, say, a meter or two long? -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.90a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 20 21:26:37 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67892106564A; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 21:26:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from mailgw.es.net (mail1.es.net [IPv6:2001:400:201:1::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 414AA8FC0A; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 21:26:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [IPv6:2001:400:910::29]) by mailgw.es.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o9KLQaKT002457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:26:36 -0700 Received: from ptavv.es.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id 9FF7F1CC3E; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:26:36 -0700 (PDT) To: Gary Kline In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:15:46 PDT." <20101020211546.GA26611@thought.org> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:26:36 -0700 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20101020212636.9FF7F1CC3E@ptavv.es.net> Cc: David Brodbeck , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Netbooks & BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 21:26:37 -0000 > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:15:46 -0700 > From: Gary Kline > Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:32:01AM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Gary Kline wrote: > > >        Sure, the optical uses [I think] a USB connector.  Pretty sure > > >        that all these tiny "toys" are made at one factory! and then > > >        labeled by the vendor.  If all the opticals are essentially > > >        the same, then great. > > > > I think they all pretty much follow the same standard. I've even had > > success using an IDE CD-ROM drive plugged into a USB-to-IDE adapter > > cable, before. > > > That kinda makes me laugh, because isn't the idea of USB to > have *one* standard plug that fits into one jack? --Seriously, > my favorite "clicky" keyboard is a PS/2 and I have a USB adaptor > that saved me. > > The thing about the memsticks is that on my tower cases, you > have to get down and crawl around and find the jack... Is there > such a thing as a USB "extender" cable, say, a meter or two long? Sure. My SmartCard token is plugged into one on my desk. Not knowing where you are I an only suggest Radio Shack or, if there is one near you, Frys. You can easily order one on-line for a LARGE number of vendors. Just remember that the maximum length of 5 meters. I see prices for brand-name cables at about $8. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 21 09:17:25 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 982801065674 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 09:17:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from four.harrisons@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 253DA8FC16 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 09:17:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz3 with SMTP id 3so90499bwz.13 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 02:17:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:subject:from:to :date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=B5dNN+6mej/XCl56kQ+ecWoKTw4fmEjs+JTP4zQjtww=; b=Fuke7X5C//mRvgkkcxyQlfFLEtWM4qumV+vNudwKBlCgzF6378p0b1qpCJdPMGX9/l S3PgkEwbdMMXmuQ+41pJExxxbRVto4Iq4OhE+1gA5n1ZQIP28nxOfJ75g1/SeH+0Eam4 oaYiLbXpZy8KI9SzTeevs8taEJSDa51i5Egt0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:subject:from:to:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=ThaIJ8mTcHyMmS5Z7gAuj8w06uw8VdA6CT2sFb7Q5kgDEV0RkXGEf1jmwfPkT89kbX 4kSBE6LQJRSjgnGSQ0Z9rnHj6IvaGgA9cuHqGLLta5uyQiglhlC9BdXvJfY13NOUEF4Y 13YtRg2tzCyaGc4VOV5lAlViOtQEWDjKERFWo= Received: by 10.204.98.15 with SMTP id o15mr406662bkn.136.1287650967886; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 01:49:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ecs ([213.8.162.222]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d12sm960401bkw.7.2010.10.21.01.49.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 21 Oct 2010 01:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4cbffe96.cc97cc0a.4c02.3579@mx.google.com> From: four.harrisons@googlemail.com To: gull@gull.us, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 08:45:59 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: Netbooks & BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 09:17:25 -0000 Sorry for top posting - I'm stuck on my phone.=0D=0A=0D=0AI successfully = installed FreeBSD on my Lenovo Ideapad before the memstick image was avai= lable by pulling the circuitry guts out of a USB HD and hooking it to a s= tandard internal IDE CD-ROM. Wasn't pretty, but it worked.=0D=0A=0D=0ABes= t avoiding Ideapads generally though because of ACPI issues.=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D= =0APeter Harrison=0D=0Awww.4harrisons.blogspot.com=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A-----= ------------------------=0D=0AFrom:=09"David Brodbeck" =0D=0A= Subject:=09Re: Netbooks & BSD=0D=0ADate:=09=0920th October 2010 19:33=0D=0A= =0D=0AOn Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Gary Kline wr= ote:=0D=0A> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Sure, the optical uses [I think]= a USB connector. =C2=A0Pretty sure=0D=0A> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= that all these tiny "toys" are made at one factory! and then=0D=0A> =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0labeled by the vendor. =C2=A0If all the optica= ls are essentially=0D=0A> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the same, then gre= at.=0D=0A=0D=0AI think they all pretty much follow the same standard. I'v= e even had=0D=0Asuccess using an IDE CD-ROM drive plugged into a USB-to-I= DE adapter=0D=0Acable, before.=0D=0A_____________________________________= __________=0D=0Afreebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list=0D=0Ahttp://li= sts.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions=0D=0ATo unsubscribe, s= end any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"=0D=0A From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 21 22:25:41 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC1A106564A; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 22:25:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D26C8FC0A; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 22:25:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5E53AE80E9B; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 15:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 15:24:55 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Kevin Oberman Message-ID: <20101021222455.GA30950@thought.org> References: <20101020211546.GA26611@thought.org> <20101020212636.9FF7F1CC3E@ptavv.es.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20101020212636.9FF7F1CC3E@ptavv.es.net> X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: David Brodbeck , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Netbooks & BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 22:25:41 -0000 On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 02:26:36PM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:15:46 -0700 > > From: Gary Kline > > Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org > > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:32:01AM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Gary Kline wrote: > > > >        Sure, the optical uses [I think] a USB connector.  Pretty sure > > > >        that all these tiny "toys" are made at one factory! and then > > > >        labeled by the vendor.  If all the opticals are essentially > > > >        the same, then great. > > > > > > I think they all pretty much follow the same standard. I've even had > > > success using an IDE CD-ROM drive plugged into a USB-to-IDE adapter > > > cable, before. > > > > > > That kinda makes me laugh, because isn't the idea of USB to > > have *one* standard plug that fits into one jack? --Seriously, > > my favorite "clicky" keyboard is a PS/2 and I have a USB adaptor > > that saved me. > > > > The thing about the memsticks is that on my tower cases, you > > have to get down and crawl around and find the jack... Is there > > such a thing as a USB "extender" cable, say, a meter or two long? > > Sure. My SmartCard token is plugged into one on my desk. Not knowing > where you are I an only suggest Radio Shack or, if there is one near you, > Frys. You can easily order one on-line for a LARGE number of > vendors. Just remember that the maximum length of 5 meters. > > I see prices for brand-name cables at about $8. Oustanding; thanks for the datapoint. There is a Frys a few miles from me, but I usually buy online. Five meters ... hm, that would almost reach to the kitchen table:-) My wife and daughter bought some of the memsticks last spring to bup a DOS/Win and for daughter's MacBook: xfer files to and from school. Since it's a lot cheaper than buying an optical drive, the flash memory is the way to go. gary PS: Seattle. > -- > R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer > Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) > Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) > E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 > Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.90a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 22 05:39:47 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 806C71065670 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 05:39:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F81E8FC24 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 05:39:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o9M5GV4t069404; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:16:32 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:16:31 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Gary Kline In-Reply-To: <20101021222455.GA30950@thought.org> Message-ID: <20101022150430.W9562@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20101020211546.GA26611@thought.org> <20101020212636.9FF7F1CC3E@ptavv.es.net> <20101021222455.GA30950@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Netbooks & BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 05:39:47 -0000 On Thu, 21 Oct 2010, Gary Kline wrote: > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 02:26:36PM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:15:46 -0700 > > > From: Gary Kline [..] > > > The thing about the memsticks is that on my tower cases, you > > > have to get down and crawl around and find the jack... Is there > > > such a thing as a USB "extender" cable, say, a meter or two long? > > > > Sure. My SmartCard token is plugged into one on my desk. Not knowing > > where you are I an only suggest Radio Shack or, if there is one near you, > > Frys. You can easily order one on-line for a LARGE number of > > vendors. Just remember that the maximum length of 5 meters. > > > > I see prices for brand-name cables at about $8. > > > Oustanding; thanks for the datapoint. There is a Frys a few > miles from me, but I usually buy online. Five meters ... hm, > that would almost reach to the kitchen table:-) I've seen recommendations of not exceeding 2m for USB 2.0, for video cams anyway, so suggest using a cable only as long as you need. > My wife and daughter bought some of the memsticks last spring > to bup a DOS/Win and for daughter's MacBook: xfer files to and > from school. Since it's a lot cheaper than buying an optical > drive, the flash memory is the way to go. I recall paying nearly AU$100 for my first 1GB stick some years ago, but recently picked up two 'Kingston DataTraveller G2' brand 8GB sticks (on sale, superceded model) for $30 each. There are reports of troubles - eg for booting FreeBSD - with some of the cheaper no-name brands, and for example Soekris recommend only SanDisk flash, so don't scrimp. If only using it to boot/install/fixit FreeBSD, there's currently no point buying larger than a 1GB stick; any more will be wasted, as so far sysinstall can only use 'dangerously dedicated' sticks (da0a rather than da0sXa), presumably because it detects sliced da devices as 'real' SCSI disks, but I'm really hoping to work around that someday, somehow :) I want to be able to boot from a properly sliced stick with a normal boot0 menu to be able to install or run fixit for eg 8.1-R (amd64 or i386) of a full -RELEASE a la DVD with packages, a small R/W slice for saving dmesg output etc of a tested machine _and_ a small DOS-formatted slice (s1) to exchange stuff with windows/mac users, on the one stick. But the latter is probably better another topic, for another time .. cheers, Ian