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Sat, 13 Nov 2010 17:39:01 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 13 Nov 2010 17:32:46 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 17:32:46 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101114003246.GA46551@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20101106200239.00004b64@unknown> <20101106203213.GC13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106225446.GC67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107101750.00006bd2@unknown> <20101107174106.GB77433@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107185845.66745df2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101107205122.GE17565@guilt.hydra> <20101107215432.GA2204@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101112181608.GB40062@guilt.hydra> <20101113235128.GC2428@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101113235128.GC2428@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: uzbl X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 00:39:02 -0000 --vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 03:51:29PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: >=20 > Well, it looks like 'make deinstall clean install clean' took care of it. >=20 > I don't know what could have hiccupped the first time, but oh well. I think uzbl got an update in the last day or two. That might have had something to do with it. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzfLi4ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUHlwCbBIVJ4UqRuLIR2PNA0DLdLPVa CHwAoOnog1Jm2iPQCnFHuCHHGkRHkN9+ =sjIn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 14 01:39:44 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 281A7106564A for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 01:39:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 982028FC15 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 01:39:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id oAE1depm017787; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 12:39:41 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 12:39:40 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Wojciech Puchar In-Reply-To: <20101113193632.4EFEA10656CD@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20101114120609.C39988@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20101113193632.4EFEA10656CD@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: JMicron JMB363 PCIe controler doesn't work X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 01:39:44 -0000 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 336, Issue 16, Message: 2 On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:58:03 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > I have motherboard with total 8 SATA ports but seems it's broken as i'm > > having regular server hangs after heavy disk I/O, usually with messages about > > disconnected AHCI device. cables ARE OK. > > > > i bought extra controllers - 2 2-port PCIe based on said chipset. > > > > to make things more strange - 2 of 8 motherboard SATA ports ARE JMB363 based > > too! > > > > on motherboard ports are all detected by AHCI driver. > > > > THE same chips on cards are NOT detected as AHCI. > > pciconv shows they are in ATA/RAID mode. > > > > But builtin controller BIOS does not allow setting it in AHCI mode. > > tried ata/atadisk driver - it doesn't attach disk at all, but just waits 15 > > seconds on each port where disk is connected at boot. > > > > Disks ARE properly attached, as cards BIOS shows them up properly. > > > > > > How can FreeBSD be set up to simply force switching to AHCI mode on that > > chips? > nobody knows? or just this mail was missed within hundreds of trash about > why devil is a mascot or tips for installing windows. Hey Woj, long time; yeah you picked a hell of time to re-surface. More likely nobody who knows would be bothered wasting their time wading through the present volume of bullshit infecting this once-useful list, which has been lately taken over by a gang of clueless vandals who want to use it as a Twitter replacement from their mobiles, shoving up middle fingers at those trying to restore some sanity. I've about had enough. Excuse the rant .. re your question, I don't know myself but suspect you'd likely get a grown-up sort of response in stable@ where this sort of issue has been popping up a fair bit lately. cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 14 02:12:53 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91F4F106564A for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 02:12:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfarmer@predatorlabs.net) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5792A8FC14 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 02:12:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws20 with SMTP id 20so1376311vws.13 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:12:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.187.13 with SMTP id cu13mr939219vcb.97.1289700772439; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:12:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.16.199 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:12:52 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.133.113] In-Reply-To: <20101113215340.GB45921@guilt.hydra> References: <201011131848.oADImeTj025257@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101113215340.GB45921@guilt.hydra> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:12:52 -0800 Message-ID: From: Rob Farmer To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 02:12:53 -0000 On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 13:53, Chad Perrin wrote: >> Right, and this isn't a GUI problem - its a problem with combining the >> documents. What software allows multiple people to open and write to >> the same file simultaneously without trashing the file or losing data? > > Git and Mercurial come to mind. I'm not familiar with DVCSes, but I assume they work much the same as a centralized one - that is they don't open a file and leave it open - you work on something, then use locking for the actual commit part. Two people can't edit the same working copy at once, nor can they commit at exactly the same time. The difference is that locking is done at the application layer, rather than by the OS itself. -- Rob Farmer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 14 02:28:47 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582461065672 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 02:28:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfarmer@predatorlabs.net) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A1528FC14 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 02:28:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws20 with SMTP id 20so1379183vws.13 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:28:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.178.73 with SMTP id bl9mr1011214vcb.62.1289701726107; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:28:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.16.199 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:28:46 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.133.113] In-Reply-To: <20101114120609.C39988@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20101113193632.4EFEA10656CD@hub.freebsd.org> <20101114120609.C39988@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:28:46 -0800 Message-ID: From: Rob Farmer To: Ian Smith Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: JMicron JMB363 PCIe controler doesn't work X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 02:28:47 -0000 On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 17:39, Ian Smith wrote: > Hey Woj, long time; yeah you picked a hell of time to re-surface. > > More likely nobody who knows would be bothered wasting their time wading > through the present volume of bullshit infecting this once-useful list, > which has been lately taken over by a gang of clueless vandals who want > to use it as a Twitter replacement from their mobiles, shoving up middle > fingers at those trying to restore some sanity. =A0I've about had enough. There has always been crap on this list - that's the logical conclusion of unmoderated discussion forums. Its cyclic and will probably die down soon for a while. Filter your mail by thread, killfile the worst offenders, or get a moderator who can bump the BS over to chat@. In fact, you received excellent suggestions last time you brought this up (complaining about Wojciech Puchar, interestingly enough): http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2009-May/199607.html Writing more mail to complain about too much mail is self-defeating. That's why I don't reply to stuff like the devil thread - it just increases its longevity. --=20 Rob Farmer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 14 02:30:11 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78EEC1065670 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 02:30:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email2.allantgroup.com (email2.emsphone.com [199.67.51.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB1D8FC0A for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 02:30:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by email2.allantgroup.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAE2UAnB057482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:30:10 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAE2UAwH036872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:30:10 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id oAE2U9sw036871; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:30:09 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:30:09 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: ??????? ??????? Message-ID: <20101114023009.GC57869@dan.emsphone.com> References: <157945133.20101113190428@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <157945133.20101113190428@yandex.ru> X-OS: FreeBSD 8.1-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.4 at email2.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (email2.allantgroup.com [199.67.51.78]); Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:30:10 -0600 (CST) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 199.67.51.78 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: top different output X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 02:30:11 -0000 In the last episode (Nov 13): > Hi, Freebsd-questions. > *pls. redirect to right developers thread > > in 7.2FreeBSD top show as: > 32 root -68 - 0K 16K WAIT 72:24 10.25% irq16: rl0 > > in 9.0FreeBSD top show as: > 12 root 28 -28 - 0K 224K WAIT 3 223:03 42.77% intr > > top -SIP > > in 7 version top has better output because of I can see which interrupt > get CPU time, in 9 I can not Interrupts are now processed as kernel threads. Press "H" (or use -H on the commandline) in top to show each thread on its own line: without H: 12 root 18 -60 - 0K 144K WAIT 624.2H 2.39% intr with H: 12 root -32 - 0K 144K WAIT 377.9H 2.78% {swi4: clock} 12 root -68 - 0K 144K WAIT 245.9H 0.39% {irq22: fxp1} -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 14 02:33:28 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AAB4106564A for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 02:33:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email2.allantgroup.com (email2.emsphone.com [199.67.51.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3D158FC1A for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 02:33:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by email2.allantgroup.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAE2XRHH057508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:33:27 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAE2XQC2040891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:33:26 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id oAE2XQ1A040890; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:33:26 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:33:26 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: ??????? ??????? Message-ID: <20101114023326.GD57869@dan.emsphone.com> References: <587015778.20101113191338@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <587015778.20101113191338@yandex.ru> X-OS: FreeBSD 8.1-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.4 at email2.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (email2.allantgroup.com [199.67.51.78]); Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:33:27 -0600 (CST) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 199.67.51.78 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: system utilities job X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 02:33:28 -0000 In the last episode (Nov 13), ??????? ??????? said: > Hi, Freebsd-questions. > > why I have different results for re0 interface for interrupt > statistic? > > # vmstat -i > interrupt total rate > irq266: re0 492258114 8753 <<<<<<<<<< > > #systat -v > 30 dtbuf 3 totfr 12744 re0 266 <<<<<<<<<< vmstat shows the average rate since boot. systat shows the average rate over the last sampling period (5 seconds by default). -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 14 03:58:52 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CABD0106566C for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 03:58:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F99B8FC08 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 03:58:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id oAE3wnwN025173; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 14:58:50 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 14:58:49 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Rob Farmer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20101114133941.N39988@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20101113193632.4EFEA10656CD@hub.freebsd.org> <20101114120609.C39988@sola.nimnet.asn.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-445502283-1289707129=:39988" Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: JMicron JMB363 PCIe controler doesn't work X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 03:58:52 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-445502283-1289707129=:39988 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Sat, 13 Nov 2010, Rob Farmer wrote: > On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 17:39, Ian Smith wrote: > > Hey Woj, long time; yeah you picked a hell of time to re-surface. > > > > More likely nobody who knows would be bothered wasting their time wading > > through the present volume of bullshit infecting this once-useful list, > > which has been lately taken over by a gang of clueless vandals who want > > to use it as a Twitter replacement from their mobiles, shoving up middle > > fingers at those trying to restore some sanity. I've about had enough. > > There has always been crap on this list - that's the logical > conclusion of unmoderated discussion forums. Its cyclic and will > probably die down soon for a while. Filter your mail by thread, > killfile the worst offenders, or get a moderator who can bump the BS > over to chat@. In fact, you received excellent suggestions last time > you brought this up (complaining about Wojciech Puchar, interestingly > enough): > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2009-May/199607.html > > Writing more mail to complain about too much mail is self-defeating. > That's why I don't reply to stuff like the devil thread - it just > increases its longevity. Yeah, point taken, and the irony of earlier exchanges with Woj wasn't lost on me either, but I'd forgotten how bad it got before I flipped! The thing is - and was then, too - that this list is widely advertised (in the handbook, even the installed /etc/motd) as the primary contact point for new people with questions about FreeBSD, and as such can't be moderated by 'some poor bastard .. 24/7/365' as I put it then, nor can it require pre-subscription as do some of the better-disciplined lists. Which means, as ever, that it's up to this community to moderate it as we go: making allowances for newbies but pointing out list etiquette and mores when people should long since have got past acting like newbies, offlist where possible; ignoring obvious trolling, keeping a sense of humour about the occasional forays into absurdity and such. That said, I draw the line at people saying 'fsck you all' when asked not to clutter the list with top-posted, tail-quoted one-line drivel. cheers, Ian --0-445502283-1289707129=:39988-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 14 06:42:57 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D571065781 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 06:42:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 77FCF8FC14 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 06:42:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 30620 invoked by uid 0); 14 Nov 2010 06:42:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2010 06:42:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=FmucdRwWL8TlnbRZQptlk1Rfiu3GwGVPFbASuVNy3pgu/AryEznzCjUSjomjtQul1NS8JNd93kkZ46i8IQb2v9vKOMDWV8zGGwx+2EVFcGS0Nrsi/bMljXTdJDK6UiI1; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PHWIh-0007tS-Mk for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 23:42:56 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 13 Nov 2010 23:36:40 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 23:36:40 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101114063640.GB47344@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201011131848.oADImeTj025257@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101113215340.GB45921@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="i9LlY+UWpKt15+FH" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 06:42:57 -0000 --i9LlY+UWpKt15+FH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 06:12:52PM -0800, Rob Farmer wrote: > On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 13:53, Chad Perrin wrote: > >> Right, and this isn't a GUI problem - its a problem with combining the > >> documents. What software allows multiple people to open and write to > >> the same file simultaneously without trashing the file or losing data? > > > > Git and Mercurial come to mind. >=20 > I'm not familiar with DVCSes, but I assume they work much the same as > a centralized one - that is they don't open a file and leave it open - > you work on something, then use locking for the actual commit part. > Two people can't edit the same working copy at once, nor can they > commit at exactly the same time. The difference is that locking is > done at the application layer, rather than by the OS itself. Actually, they *don't* work exactly like centralized version control. That's kinda the point; they offer excellent facilities for edit conflict resolution that makes the facilities provided by CVCSes look positively primitive by comparison. DVCSes are specifically designed to facilitate a certain amount of simultaneous development of the same files with generally error-free merging when the second of the two changesets gets added to a given repository. The idea that multiple people can work on the same stuff at the same time is kind of central to the necessary capabilities of a DVCS. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --i9LlY+UWpKt15+FH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzfg3gACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWiOgCgiXQs0Clf0wyrY26s8WufaAmR EKYAoMG5v43ZQCSZbqyZI7C9lXzOr0Vv =bf1d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --i9LlY+UWpKt15+FH-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 14 08:14:25 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8971106564A for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 08:14:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forward15.mail.yandex.net (forward15.mail.yandex.net [95.108.130.119]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E5A08FC08 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 08:14:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp14.mail.yandex.net (smtp14.mail.yandex.net [95.108.131.192]) by forward15.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 856C24458F6F; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:14:23 +0300 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1289722463; bh=/VMlwmjHs9yc7+6krYd81HyUyXBs/ViD4MndZEkrW8k=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To: References:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=s3RRDbLhPKM3QV8VseOcqXng65VjNVISn0mzgmCppQZdTdZU/7yqBVmCF8gDx1pCI VVaCuGDmTX0/JEFMNxAMOaWJ94WzNr6f9gUbV+ChISROGlhE3u2J7320oeeKRg/iMK 2mB46bPahvSqZbhDnjBT9Y4Y9o0Bkyx/+PR2c4xU= Received: from HOMEUSER (unknown [77.93.42.18]) by smtp14.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTPA id 4152719B806E; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:14:23 +0300 (MSK) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:14:26 +0200 From: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: =?windows-1251?B?188gyu7t/Oru4iwgRnJlZUxpbmU=?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1841178609.20101114101426@yandex.ru> To: Robert Bonomi In-Reply-To: <201011132145.oADLjTFC026314@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <201011132145.oADLjTFC026314@mail.r-bonomi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: system utilities job X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 08:14:26 -0000 >> From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 13 13:49:32 2010 >> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:13:38 +0200 >> From: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= >> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> Subject: system utilities job >> >> Hi, Freebsd-questions. >> >> why I have different results for re0 interface for interrupt >> statistic? >> >> # vmstat -i >> interrupt total rate >> irq1: atkbd0 5 0 >> irq16: ehci0 84414 1 >> irq17: atapci0 329838 5 >> irq23: ehci1 112524 2 >> cpu0:timer 119506195 2125 >> irq266: re0 492258114 8753 <<<<<<<<<< >> cpu3:timer 98445240 1750 >> cpu1:timer 95782407 1703 >> cpu2:timer 89616119 1593 >> Total 896134856 15934 >> >> #systat -v >> 3 users Load 0,42 0,51 0,51 13 19:12 >> >> Mem:KB REAL VIRTUAL VN PAGER SWAP PAGER >> Tot Share Tot Share Free in out in out >> Act 86084 4912 446820 6376 1474852 count >> All 207628 8180 2620768 32204 pages >> Proc: Interrupts >> r p d s w Csw Trp Sys Int Sof Flt cow 21237 total >> 40 93k 12 1129 12k 40k 15 1 zfod atkbd0 1 >> ozfod 1 ehci0 16 >> 2,8%Sys 10,9%Intr 0,0%User 0,0%Nice 86,2%Idle %ozfod 10 atapci0 17 >> | | | | | | | | | | | daefr 2 ehci1 23 >> =++++++ prcfr 2126 cpu0:timer >> 30 dtbuf 3 totfr 12744 re0 266 <<<<<<<<<< >> Namei Name-cache Dir-cache 110674 desvn react 2127 cpu3:timer >> Calls hits % hits % 71986 numvn pdwak 2123 cpu1:timer >> 7 7 100 27160 frevn pdpgs 2104 cpu2:timer >> intrn >> Disks ad4 172156 wire >> KB/t 15,84 49524 act >> tps 10 272900 inact >> MB/s 0,16 272 cache >> %busy 0 1474580 free >> >> RB> for the same reason _all_ the interrupt counts are different. You ran two RB> different commands. at (slightly) differnt times. Thus, the 'real-time' RB> events being reported are _differnet_. A different amount of network RB> traffic will result in different numbers of interrupts from the ethernet RB> interface. Entirely expected. I have ran both commands in two different shell simulatenously at same time. This OS is 9CURRENT. In 7-2RELEASE interupts was same. -- , mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 14 08:17:55 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 299C2106566B; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 08:17:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forward15.mail.yandex.net (forward15.mail.yandex.net [95.108.130.119]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C95BD8FC0C; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 08:17:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp11.mail.yandex.net (smtp11.mail.yandex.net [95.108.130.67]) by forward15.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id A96C044599E8; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:17:53 +0300 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1289722673; bh=yTDlMRzytl37vGv/i1j7WgDqzwN/xppXVEP/i5uNMok=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To: References:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HF2RPU4SJrvPKnmmzDb0Xs00Pq1QKffoagj+M0EK3BQ2JxpKPzAosNp75fTEFOrg4 NV9w0gapmFd/vo7lRHDw4z+MBVsaL5i0EF1fhRpcSDCju0V8UREmULIPN6DbJ889DE 9aLZIEOovAjy5hbvYXut8kGQ87h2k5E7KTaD1lZg= Received: from HOMEUSER (unknown [77.93.42.18]) by smtp11.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTPA id 6B48544D8085; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:17:53 +0300 (MSK) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:17:56 +0200 From: =?utf-8?B?0JrQvtC90YzQutC+0LIg0JXQstCz0LXQvdC40Lk=?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KfQnyDQmtC+0L3RjNC60L7QsiwgRnJlZUxpbmU=?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <435718350.20101114101756@yandex.ru> To: Ivan Voras In-Reply-To: References: <4910622844.20101111212049@yandex.ru> <392824306.20101112234535@yandex.ru> <1408385718.20101113220514@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re[6]: How to obtain what swi1:net is doing? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?utf-8?B?0JrQvtC90YzQutC+0LIg0JXQstCz0LXQvdC40Lk=?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 08:17:55 -0000 Hi, Ivan. IV> 2010/11/13 : >> IV> This is the unconfigured system - numthreads=1, direct_force=1. >> net.isr.maxthreads=2 in /boot/loader.conf change nothing >> after system up value stays "1" (( IV> Just checking: you have rebooted after modifying loader.conf? >after system up value stays "1" I mean 'when system up after reboot, value stays "1"' -- С уважением, Коньков mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 14 09:11:02 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A7471065670 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 09:11:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.26.172.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC82E8FC13 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 09:11:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id oAE9AlBC025179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 14 Nov 2010 01:10:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id oAE9AlKW025178; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 01:10:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA07421; Sun, 14 Nov 10 01:00:23 PST Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 01:00:35 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: perrin@apotheon.com Message-Id: <4cdfa533.KmbS7pHvQ3h+K92G%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <201011132032.oADKW4FG025920@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101113220559.GE45921@guilt.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20101113220559.GE45921@guilt.hydra> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 09:11:02 -0000 Chad Perrin wrote: > On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 02:32:04PM -0600, Robert Bonomi wrote: > > should the one-leter name for 'c++' be 'd' or 'p'? > > (nobody could decide/agree, which *IS* why it is 'c++' > > to this day) > > ... D is already another programming language ... It wasn't back then :) > I don't know what this P has to do with it. You have revealed yourself as a newbie :) In the beginning there was CPL, the "Combined Programming Language." It was large enough to be infeasible to implement using then-current technologies, so the "Bootstrap Combined Programming Language" (BCPL) was invented, with the intent that the first CPL compiler would be written in BCPL. CPL never amounted to much -- I don't know whether it was ever implemented at all -- but BCPL developed a following. Someone (at Bell Labs?) produced a derivative called B, from which a few researchers at Murray Hill derived C. Thus the question: should the next language in the series be named D (next alphabetically) or P (next letter of BCPL)? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 14 11:33:31 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C73810656A5 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:33:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon@nitro.dk) Received: from smtp.fullrate.dk (smtp.fullrate.dk [90.185.1.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE1698FC12 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:33:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.4.26] (4304ds2-vlb.1.fullrate.dk [90.184.171.166]) by smtp.fullrate.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 995679CDAC; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 12:13:38 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Simon L. B. Nielsen" In-Reply-To: <4CDCFF30.60307@teambox.fr> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 12:13:38 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4CC81EE7.4020607@teambox.fr> <1289492183.40288.37.camel@bauer.cse.buffalo.edu> <4CDCFF30.60307@teambox.fr> To: Patrick Bihan-Faou X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Ken Smith Subject: Re: Sorry state of the rsync based CVS,replication X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:33:31 -0000 On 12 Nov 2010, at 09:47, Patrick Bihan-Faou wrote: > Don't take this as flamebait, because I have no intention in starting = a war on this particular issue, but as good as cvsup is, this is = unfortunately a fairly isolated tool that, from my prospective (which is = necessarily biaised and incomplete), does not offer any feature = compelling enough to prefer it over rsync in our case. That position is = by essence just a personal view, applicable to me only and not to = anybody else. Also I have to admit that now that the m3 dependency is = gone with csup, it becomes easier to return to it. The issue is not to remove CVS via rsync - just to remove it from the = FTP collection where it doesn't belong. There is nothing which prevents mirror sites from providing access to = the CVS repo via rsync, even if they get it via CVSup... If it's useful (IE, any of the primary mirrors requests it) we can = probably rather easily set up rsync access via cvsup-master. That said, = I think rsync access is likely not too interesting for most master = mirrors as they likely provide access to the repo via CVSup already, so = they have cvsup installed already. --=20 Simon L. B. Nielsen Hat: FreeBSD.org clusteradm From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 14 14:42:02 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F18F7106564A for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 14:42:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi.sergio@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3A2E8FC08 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 14:42:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1so662781yxe.13 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 06:42:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:in-reply-to :references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=GiJybRHFbyoDqFq2PsYTJAQxF5hP5Sj8ljRgvOgJxoY=; b=m8cl9y8ToJvebnaSmoiQNAJ8NXsJ75p/0HlzEsMMCmH6FlKhuUR4Vt1YAJcS2BrnEU /jjMud8XnHMo/X4iVE6E9Kvuw/HNPfWX7Cn666oteuULs2eK645yi/zaYgCTGst5+cy6 7ayaxCHHwvXp/Dh5paaCQ5DqDRMvIDitMbMWw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer; b=iSxvHwC0XeOI/6nRUKuoIQntSoT5533yHejL0Vy1sEnYOdcSxompVXBZXsJzvJU7G/ T5zmS+pC41MgbyxWZW4Tr+dT2EO8TxobRRvlymwNz5Nk9FZirq23zdtcGPwO+CkK6Fz5 5cDvCW7MaleBbcxqWgb7lE9BBC0gFSJcATqEE= Received: by 10.91.162.12 with SMTP id p12mr6246322ago.36.1289744212310; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 06:16:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.6.232] ([201.21.169.105]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm2560613anq.30.2010.11.14.06.16.50 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 14 Nov 2010 06:16:51 -0800 (PST) From: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4cdfa533.KmbS7pHvQ3h+K92G%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <201011132032.oADKW4FG025920@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101113220559.GE45921@guilt.hydra> <4cdfa533.KmbS7pHvQ3h+K92G%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 12:14:39 -0200 Message-ID: <1289744079.21308.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 14:42:02 -0000 > > CPL never amounted to much -- I don't know whether it was ever > implemented at all -- but BCPL developed a following. Someone > (at Bell Labs?) produced a derivative called B, from which a few > researchers at Murray Hill derived C. Thus the question: should > the next language in the series be named D (next alphabetically) > or P (next letter of BCPL)? Wow!!! I had forgotten... I have done some projects using BCPL... in a mainframe (S370) running MVS in the 70's... it was lightning fast. we had made a kind of TSO (time sharing option) that runs on top of VTAM, to bring "online compile and run" cobol programs to the desktop... while a batch work responds in 3 hours, a TSO (written in bcpl) responds in seconds... Thanks for remember the "good old days" ... it is still active!!! =====> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mr10/BCPL.html Sergio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 14 15:11:39 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6A26106566B for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 15:11:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tom@diogunix.com) Received: from mail.kepos.org (mail.kepos.org [64.120.5.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6FB38FC1B for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 15:11:39 +0000 (UTC) From: "tom@diogunix.com" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 16:11:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201011141611.36114.tom@diogunix.com> Subject: Mutt Port broken ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 15:11:40 -0000 Hello everybody, just tried to build /usr/ports/mail/mutt but surprisingly got stuck with an Error 1 though the ports collectionis updated and well maintained: m_err -lcrypto -lasn1 -lroken -lcrypt -lssl -lcrypto -lintl -liconv -liconv muttlib.o(.text+0x12f2): In function `mutt_mktemp': : warning: warning: mktemp() possibly used unsafely; consider using mkstemp() /usr/lib/libhx509.so: undefined reference to `MD2_Init' /usr/lib/libhx509.so: undefined reference to `MD2_Final' /usr/lib/libhx509.so: undefined reference to `MD2_Update' *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/mail/mutt/work/mutt-1.4.2.3. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/mail/mutt/work/mutt-1.4.2.3. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/mail/mutt/work/mutt-1.4.2.3. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/mail/mutt. Any ideas on what could be done ? Thanks a lot in advance Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 14 15:51:40 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C452D1065673 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 15:51:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (ns2.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9670D8FC12 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 15:51:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.3/rdb1) id oAEFnVFm002262; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 09:49:31 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 09:49:31 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-ID: <201011141549.oAEFnVFm002262@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: perrin@apotheon.com, perryh@pluto.rain.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 15:51:40 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Nov 14 03:09:59 2010 > Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 01:00:35 -0800 > From: perryh@pluto.rain.com > To: perrin@apotheon.com > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?) > > Chad Perrin wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 02:32:04PM -0600, Robert Bonomi wrote: > > > should the one-leter name for 'c++' be 'd' or 'p'? > > > (nobody could decide/agree, which *IS* why it is 'c++' > > > to this day) > > > > ... D is already another programming language ... > > It wasn't back then :) > > > I don't know what this P has to do with it. > > You have revealed yourself as a newbie :) > > In the beginning there was CPL, the "Combined Programming Language." > It was large enough to be infeasible to implement using then-current > technologies, so the "Bootstrap Combined Programming Language" (BCPL) > was invented, with the intent that the first CPL compiler would be > written in BCPL. > > CPL never amounted to much -- I don't know whether it was ever > implemented at all -- but BCPL developed a following. Trivia: BCPL was the _first_ programming language to use 'curly braces' to group statements. It also used '//' to indroduce a 'single-line comment'. > Someone > (at Bell Labs?) Ken Thompson, 1969 > produced a derivative called B, from which a few > researchers at Murray Hill derived C. Mostly one. Dennis Ritchie, circa 1972. Brian Kernighan contributed, and Ken stuck his oar in occasionally. > Thus the question: should > the next language in the series be named D (next alphabetically) > or P (next letter of BCPL)? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 14 16:48:46 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC3E106566C; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 16:48:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forward11.mail.yandex.net (forward11.mail.yandex.net [95.108.130.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F318FC16; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 16:48:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp13.mail.yandex.net (smtp13.mail.yandex.net [95.108.130.68]) by forward11.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 7AC3F3ED0339; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 19:48:44 +0300 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1289753324; bh=RkEiCyiuIVLJKqUCuAzuAe6qsav7SF8AY3fN3Ok2HDU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To: References:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=a+Ld+P3ZDIqdrw2LeyBDULgmEyduDlOtvYE96vJd73hZjQ9a+FCIZXQd6I8CuTRdZ wQTEIWcfgxy+DLEkGmxLwJYdnjHJSERIQ3JIy9D+nHKBG5oAPFraKd12HtFJAEOU6T frTsVGCGT2yfKgYqRTvBQM8eKhi6Uxa5Juh/akwQ= Received: from HOMEUSER (unknown [77.93.42.18]) by smtp13.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTPA id EB8F241580AD; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 19:48:43 +0300 (MSK) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 18:48:46 +0200 From: =?utf-8?B?0JrQvtC90YzQutC+0LIg0JXQstCz0LXQvdC40Lk=?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KfQnyDQmtC+0L3RjNC60L7QsiwgRnJlZUxpbmU=?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1565461584.20101114184846@yandex.ru> To: Ivan Voras In-Reply-To: References: <4910622844.20101111212049@yandex.ru> <5510442048.20101113034233@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re[4]: How to obtain what swi1:net is doing? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?utf-8?B?0JrQvtC90YzQutC+0LIg0JXQstCz0LXQvdC40Lk=?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 16:48:46 -0000 Здравствуйте, Ivan. Вы писали 13 ноября 2010 г., 20:35:12: IV> 2010/11/13 Коньков Евгений : >> IV> net.isr.direct_force=0 >> IV> net.isr.maxthreads=2 >> FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 4 CPUs >> FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 2 core(s) x 2 SMT threads >>  cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID:  0 >>  cpu1 (AP): APIC ID:  1 >>  cpu2 (AP): APIC ID:  4 >>  cpu3 (AP): APIC ID:  5 >> ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 6 >> ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard >> netisr_init: forcing maxthreads to 1 and bindthreads to 0 for device polling >> >> # cat /boot/loader.conf >> net.isr.maxthreads=2 >> >> maxthreads does not affected IV> I don't understand: how is it not affected? # cat /boot/loader.conf net.isr.maxthreads=2 after server was rebooted: # sysctl net.isr.maxthreads net.isr.maxthreads: 1 IV> On a system with maxthreads=2, here is how it shows: IV> betelgeuse:/home/ivoras# ps axuHc | grep isr IV> root 12 3.0 0.0 0 432 ?? WL 12:21PM 0:09.21 IV> intr/swi1: netisr 7 IV> root 12 0.0 0.0 0 432 ?? WL 12:21PM 0:00.00 IV> intr/swi1: netisr 0 IV> I.e. there are two threads here, bound to CPU cores 0 and 7. on my system with # cat /boot/loader.conf net.isr.maxthreads=2 and server reboot # ps axuHc | grep isr root 12 0,0 0,0 0 224 ?? WL 12:54 0:00,00 intr/swi1: netisr 0 >> #uname -r >> 9.0-CURRENT IV> Yes, multithreaded netisr was introduced in FreeBSD 8, it wasn't there in 7. -- С уважением, Коньков mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 14 17:08:56 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1233) id 963DF106566B; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 17:08:56 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 17:08:56 +0000 From: Alexander Best To: "tom@diogunix.com" Message-ID: <20101114170856.GA66968@freebsd.org> References: <201011141611.36114.tom@diogunix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201011141611.36114.tom@diogunix.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mutt Port broken ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 17:08:56 -0000 On Sun Nov 14 10, tom@diogunix.com wrote: > Hello everybody, > > just tried to build /usr/ports/mail/mutt but surprisingly got stuck with an > Error 1 though the ports collectionis updated and well maintained: > > m_err -lcrypto -lasn1 -lroken -lcrypt -lssl -lcrypto -lintl -liconv -liconv > muttlib.o(.text+0x12f2): In function `mutt_mktemp': > : warning: warning: mktemp() possibly used unsafely; consider using > mkstemp() > /usr/lib/libhx509.so: undefined reference to `MD2_Init' > /usr/lib/libhx509.so: undefined reference to `MD2_Final' > /usr/lib/libhx509.so: undefined reference to `MD2_Update' > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/mail/mutt/work/mutt-1.4.2.3. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/mail/mutt/work/mutt-1.4.2.3. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/mail/mutt/work/mutt-1.4.2.3. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/mail/mutt. > > Any ideas on what could be done ? could you post the following: 1) cat /etc/src.conf 2) cd /usr/ports/mail/mutt; make showconfig 3) uname -a cheers. alex > > Thanks a lot in advance > Tom -- a13x From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 14 17:22:52 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DAD2106566C for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 17:22:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0518E8FC08 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 17:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 18835 invoked by uid 0); 14 Nov 2010 17:22:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2010 17:22:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=Joi4yqhmzz6WFgT+NkS+Vb3MBjyJzcMgi+XhAnxiXk2UxRGwlll8/RiR5mNFTE0evLZJTQGrQs8hRaPRY8OMZ9cIilGdm/1LOhOo4PO+gAAmUCyJ2ubg+y5KKWLQBADs; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PHgHy-0002ER-2f for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:22:51 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:16:33 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:16:33 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101114171633.GA49894@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201011132032.oADKW4FG025920@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101113220559.GE45921@guilt.hydra> <4cdfa533.KmbS7pHvQ3h+K92G%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0F1p//8PRICkK4MW" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4cdfa533.KmbS7pHvQ3h+K92G%perryh@pluto.rain.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 17:22:52 -0000 --0F1p//8PRICkK4MW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 01:00:35AM -0800, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > Chad Perrin wrote: > > > > ... D is already another programming language ... >=20 > It wasn't back then :) It is now, though, so it's a little late. So sorry. >=20 > > I don't know what this P has to do with it. >=20 > You have revealed yourself as a newbie :) No -- I've revealed myself as someone who doesn't care nearly as much about C++ as about C. >=20 > In the beginning there was CPL, the "Combined Programming Language." > It was large enough to be infeasible to implement using then-current > technologies, so the "Bootstrap Combined Programming Language" (BCPL) > was invented, with the intent that the first CPL compiler would be > written in BCPL. >=20 > CPL never amounted to much -- I don't know whether it was ever > implemented at all -- but BCPL developed a following. Someone > (at Bell Labs?) produced a derivative called B, from which a few > researchers at Murray Hill derived C. Thus the question: should > the next language in the series be named D (next alphabetically) > or P (next letter of BCPL)? =2E . . and there was a flamewar over it, blah blah blah, and finally it was C++. Okay. Good historical reference. Thanks. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --0F1p//8PRICkK4MW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzgGXEACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWtJgCgxWoqPqcrvqo8EgxVgy/uwDxf dAgAn2ykUR6XS8dMIWIiGyepkcMozYr6 =Ra6y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0F1p//8PRICkK4MW-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 14 20:44:47 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13D96106566C for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 20:44:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9FD88FC12 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 20:44:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E04A4E80C51; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 12:44:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 12:44:50 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: perryh@pluto.rain.com Message-ID: <20101114204450.GA9247@thought.org> References: <201011132032.oADKW4FG025920@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101113220559.GE45921@guilt.hydra> <4cdfa533.KmbS7pHvQ3h+K92G%perryh@pluto.rain.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4cdfa533.KmbS7pHvQ3h+K92G%perryh@pluto.rain.com> X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: perrin@apotheon.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 20:44:47 -0000 On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 01:00:35AM -0800, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > Chad Perrin wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 02:32:04PM -0600, Robert Bonomi wrote: > > > should the one-leter name for 'c++' be 'd' or 'p'? > > > (nobody could decide/agree, which *IS* why it is 'c++' > > > to this day) > > > > ... D is already another programming language ... > > It wasn't back then :) > > > I don't know what this P has to do with it. > > You have revealed yourself as a newbie :) > > In the beginning there was CPL, the "Combined Programming Language." > It was large enough to be infeasible to implement using then-current > technologies, so the "Bootstrap Combined Programming Language" (BCPL) > was invented, with the intent that the first CPL compiler would be > written in BCPL. > > CPL never amounted to much -- I don't know whether it was ever > implemented at all -- but BCPL developed a following. Someone > (at Bell Labs?) produced a derivative called B, from which a few > researchers at Murray Hill derived C. Thus the question: should > the next language in the series be named D (next alphabetically) > or P (next letter of BCPL)? I'd vote for "E" since that might have more positive connotations that "D". :-) Skip "F" altogether. Just about the whole Murray Hill gang stopped by Cray (in Chippewa Falls), late 80's, and I remember asking Dennis what the deal was with "C++"; I remember him dodging the thing. Whoever-invented-C++ did a convoluted job, i s my opinion. It might be nice to add classes to C, but that's about it. TWo questions: didn't IBM create CPL? And doesn't BCPL Stand for "British Computer Programming Language"? (I did have both editions of the C book by Brian and DEnnis; then loaned the 2nd edition and never got ti back.) I think Dennis gives credit to BCPL Somewhere. Pretty sure those guys are all retired to somewhere *warm and sunny* by now! gary > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://journey.thought.org For non-text MUA's http://theopenpress.com/index.php?a=print&code=00&id=88532 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 14 20:58:13 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683321065698 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 20:58:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from abd.shajari@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 009BF8FC17 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 20:58:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwi14 with SMTP id 14so286290wwi.31 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 12:58:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=eZOqk0mySL4cZxI71XM+2pH6vRdkMFGq6w3FDg/JT90=; b=mtvi3vVhrrSom0OfdqdXshTeqhPcwsA4XmqGxYo8MmTF2VIDJCWK2m8HnAcGWoQijk 6HBPplojSyCQQrCD1ao3xZVOXIYH163L9gNfiP1AjEVBP1hJ61X2eJ7E/XUY2KYoZI+Y JqMZuU8L0ycvEjc5VMdEq7oxCf7w11PcGuwtQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=hkfoHdC/z2Gqxg/WakH6a6Mw5k+fVJVRANBOg0r8/TDnEVZS5OjEqHlI6kQxl4EdyM vo7aaM4+GJyhBgRCix7L04tWoiZYDs77aKsOlAXeXAFrOt9iI19AfQpwQ/RrvW/wABo1 W/CcII4P3dnb/ZR0YCIHWZQw6mN9bR2dmFLm4= Received: by 10.216.11.201 with SMTP id 51mr5596073wex.72.1289766403737; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 12:26:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.39.19 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 12:26:22 -0800 (PST) From: Abd0 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 23:56:22 +0330 Message-ID: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: intel integrated graphic driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 20:58:13 -0000 hello dear list i'm new in freebsd ;) but i have several years working with linux distru(s) as my workstation and i say freebsd rocks :) my problem is about my dell 1564 laptop with intel integrated graphic and the actual resolution should be 1366x768 but it stick at 1024x768, i use freebsd 8.1, and read all forum and handbook stuff about configure xf86-video-intel and xorg.conf but it didnt work. and even i tried downgrade the driver with http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=5097 but it have problem in instalation and last version of everything didn't work, is there any chance to have the right screen with freebsd and dell 1564 widescreen with xf86-video-intel ? Best Regards, abdo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 14 21:38:36 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F22141065670; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 21:38:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forward18.mail.yandex.net (forward18.mail.yandex.net [95.108.253.143]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 877AE8FC22; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 21:38:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp19.mail.yandex.net (smtp19.mail.yandex.net [95.108.252.19]) by forward18.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id B5A1C29A1365; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 00:38:33 +0300 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1289770713; bh=PiSb7gI5IAYgaApEZm/7MQctoWl27bJxGL9ErCC6oLI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To: References:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=k1h5dIJshTxu6g0kFtBA2GTzGPL6yY2xFAdrrnnlzMgvio68anBDJdzH2S1qWe3yC 74DlB2Wdououe3AEV3N2QwJP6/pu7xWZxAq+3azo4gzVAkGQoaSUhA85J1H8UDuriB n++lj7agIcUtoxQ7nyLMcsQHXlS11LjF5KtVTQFI= Received: from kes.in (unknown [77.93.42.18]) by smtp19.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTPA id 58E37287005C; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 00:38:33 +0300 (MSK) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 23:38:36 +0200 From: =?utf-8?B?0JrQvtC90YzQutC+0LIg0JXQstCz0LXQvdC40Lk=?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KfQnyDQmtC+0L3RjNC60L7QsiwgRnJlZUxpbmU=?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1024327902.20101114233836@yandex.ru> To: =?utf-8?B?0JrQvtC90YzQutC+0LIg0JXQstCz0LXQvdC40Lk=?= In-Reply-To: <1565461584.20101114184846@yandex.ru> References: <4910622844.20101111212049@yandex.ru> <5510442048.20101113034233@yandex.ru> <1565461584.20101114184846@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Ivan Voras , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re[5]: How to obtain what swi1:net is doing? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?utf-8?B?0JrQvtC90YzQutC+0LIg0JXQstCz0LXQvdC40Lk=?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 21:38:36 -0000 Здравствуйте, Коньков. Вы писали 14 ноября 2010 г., 18:48:46: КЕ> Здравствуйте, Ivan. КЕ> Вы писали 13 ноября 2010 г., 20:35:12: IV>> 2010/11/13 Коньков Евгений : >>> IV> net.isr.direct_force=0 >>> IV> net.isr.maxthreads=2 >>> FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 4 CPUs >>> FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 2 core(s) x 2 SMT threads >>>  cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID:  0 >>>  cpu1 (AP): APIC ID:  1 >>>  cpu2 (AP): APIC ID:  4 >>>  cpu3 (AP): APIC ID:  5 >>> ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 6 >>> ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard >>> netisr_init: forcing maxthreads to 1 and bindthreads to 0 for device polling >>> >>> # cat /boot/loader.conf >>> net.isr.maxthreads=2 >>> >>> maxthreads does not affected IV>> I don't understand: how is it not affected? КЕ> # cat /boot/loader.conf КЕ> net.isr.maxthreads=2 КЕ> after server was rebooted: КЕ> # sysctl net.isr.maxthreads КЕ> net.isr.maxthreads: 1 meta-up# dmesg | less Copyright (c) 1992-2010 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT #0: Wed Nov 10 23:25:34 EET 2010 adm@meta-up:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v9 i386 CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU 540 @ 3.07GHz (4145.96-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x20652 Family = 6 Model = 25 Stepping = 2 Features=0xbfebfbff Features2=0x98e3bd AMD Features=0x28100000 AMD Features2=0x1 TSC: P-state invariant real memory = 2147483648 (2048 MB) avail memory = 2012078080 (1918 MB) Event timer "LAPIC" quality 600 ACPI APIC Table: <010710 APIC1823> FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 4 CPUs FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 2 core(s) x 2 SMT threads cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 cpu2 (AP): APIC ID: 4 cpu3 (AP): APIC ID: 5 ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 6 ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard netisr_init: forcing maxthreads to 1 and bindthreads to 0 for device polling I think problem is here. I have compiled with: options DEVICE_POLLING IV>> On a system with maxthreads=2, here is how it shows: IV>> betelgeuse:/home/ivoras# ps axuHc | grep isr IV>> root 12 3.0 0.0 0 432 ?? WL 12:21PM 0:09.21 IV>> intr/swi1: netisr 7 IV>> root 12 0.0 0.0 0 432 ?? WL 12:21PM 0:00.00 IV>> intr/swi1: netisr 0 IV>> I.e. there are two threads here, bound to CPU cores 0 and 7. КЕ> on my system with КЕ> # cat /boot/loader.conf КЕ> net.isr.maxthreads=2 КЕ> and server reboot КЕ> # ps axuHc | grep isr КЕ> root 12 0,0 0,0 0 224 ?? WL 12:54 0:00,00 intr/swi1: netisr 0 >>> #uname -r >>> 9.0-CURRENT IV>> Yes, multithreaded netisr was introduced in FreeBSD 8, it wasn't there in 7. -- С уважением, Коньков mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 14 21:47:59 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8FF3106566B for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 21:47:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A73058FC13 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 21:47:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 329 invoked by uid 0); 14 Nov 2010 21:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2010 21:47:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=CKMJqjROdfy/hkn5ggtiJuxggDz59hty8vNSfKNN9S+ci8hEX2nuOacJWb3eNUaOQu7EyeXp2C3/mNLPLXhZU3L616jFThVYJY/YAIM6d0J9+iX1IrRqNzoND3iwEvFX; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PHkQX-0004rJ-Q6 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 14:47:59 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 14 Nov 2010 14:41:41 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 14:41:41 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101114214141.GD50560@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201011132032.oADKW4FG025920@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101113220559.GE45921@guilt.hydra> <4cdfa533.KmbS7pHvQ3h+K92G%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20101114204450.GA9247@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LKTjZJSUETSlgu2t" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101114204450.GA9247@thought.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 21:48:00 -0000 --LKTjZJSUETSlgu2t Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 12:44:50PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: >=20 > I'd vote for "E" since that might have more positive > connotations that "D". :-) Skip "F" altogether. That might be a good point. Google has taught me that single-letter names for programming languages (or anything else, apparently) are not so good for the Internet age, however. >=20 > Just about the whole Murray Hill gang stopped by Cray=20 > (in Chippewa Falls), late 80's, and I remember asking Dennis > what the deal was with "C++"; I remember him dodging the > thing. Whoever-invented-C++ did a convoluted job, i s my > opinion. It might be nice to add classes to C, but that's > about it. Perhaps ironically, some called C++ "C With Classes" early on, as I recall. Meanwhile, Objective-C ended up being what C++ initially claimed it would be (a strict superset of C that provided facilities for OOP), while C++ failed to live up to its own promises while expanding into all kinds of things that were not actually desired in those early days (like a politician once elected to office). This is, of course, largely the perspective of an outsider, so take it for what it's worth. >=20 > TWo questions: didn't IBM create CPL? And doesn't BCPL > Stand for "British Computer Programming Language"? (I did have > both editions of the C book by Brian and DEnnis; then loaned the > 2nd edition and never got ti back.) I think Dennis gives credit > to BCPL Somewhere. Pretty sure those guys are all retired to > somewhere *warm and sunny* by now! The second edition is still in stores all over the place. It's the first edition that would be difficult to find these days, I think. My father tells me he has a copy, though I've never seen it; I only have the second edition. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --LKTjZJSUETSlgu2t Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzgV5UACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWBtwCg+e4NR+54b+CNYqIa9bniv8qD K9IAoIr0K3XzAzSTpgwm7gLwpjTCU6Pr =EKrD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LKTjZJSUETSlgu2t-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 14 22:02:55 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B0271065697 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 22:02:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209928FC08 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 22:02:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 174-21-101-204.tukw.qwest.net ([174.21.101.204] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PHkVR-0007o5-Q2 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 13:53:03 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 14 Nov 2010 14:02:49 -0800 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 14:02:49 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101114220249.GC43542@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201011132032.oADKW4FG025920@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101113220559.GE45921@guilt.hydra> <4cdfa533.KmbS7pHvQ3h+K92G%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20101114204450.GA9247@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6zdv2QT/q3FMhpsV" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101114204450.GA9247@thought.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 22:02:55 -0000 --6zdv2QT/q3FMhpsV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Gary Kline on Sunday, 14 November 2010: >=20 >=20 > Just about the whole Murray Hill gang stopped by Cray=20 > (in Chippewa Falls), late 80's, and I remember asking Dennis > what the deal was with "C++"; I remember him dodging the > thing. Whoever-invented-C++ did a convoluted job, i s my > opinion. It might be nice to add classes to C, but that's > about it. >=20 The inventor of C++ is Bjarne Stroustrop. I had the chance opportunity to sit down at a table with him and have a conversation prior to an SD West conference several years ago. He's a nice guy, with a great sense of humor -- but even he admits "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do it blows your whole leg off." http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bjarne_Stroustrup >=20 --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com | http://chipsquips= .com --6zdv2QT/q3FMhpsV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM4FyJAAoJEIpckszW26+R/XQIAIKyYFJO3G3RjMIUtm2nGm2/ ue0xVDJGvjaRATq0eIuDdhYg/TcebZ+kSZ4JFv4sQ+k2l26G5Whay9Dhs9dX25Ur lk1hq9mS/09DmYgps2QRFXYHKKe4T46JW06YlebIERJPKsETKQBXQphmEY3s7TyB KpgAR9Vz6UFBXTRlEuaLTCP9dfzftrkr/vQXRvRik9keyE7ATkg1QGVrM4AAQBct 23LRdf0Qk49GiWcaZlIdThFoJ2dEJhenvlE4JJU91nyyo2pR8QCDgnlITMEC0vRX 3ImN5W202J0lR4t69tKA8YOpS4CcWJjm0aNvMrOqA3CkNHPaR23Hbh2gFjE46i4= =FZ+e -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6zdv2QT/q3FMhpsV-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 14 22:39:28 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0DCC1065675 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 22:39:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 800468FC12 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 22:39:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 69439E80C51; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 14:39:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 14:39:32 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101114223932.GA10006@thought.org> References: <201011132032.oADKW4FG025920@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101113220559.GE45921@guilt.hydra> <4cdfa533.KmbS7pHvQ3h+K92G%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20101114204450.GA9247@thought.org> <20101114214141.GD50560@guilt.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101114214141.GD50560@guilt.hydra> X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 22:39:28 -0000 On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 02:41:41PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 12:44:50PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > I'd vote for "E" since that might have more positive > > connotations that "D". :-) Skip "F" altogether. > > That might be a good point. > > Google has taught me that single-letter names for programming languages > (or anything else, apparently) are not so good for the Internet age, > however. I won't argue the point! but how about "IEEE"? I subscribed to that for years and some people noted that spoken as a word, "Ieee" was like the primal scream! Hm.... maybe the EEE language?! > > > > > > Just about the whole Murray Hill gang stopped by Cray > > (in Chippewa Falls), late 80's, and I remember asking Dennis > > what the deal was with "C++"; I remember him dodging the > > thing. Whoever-invented-C++ did a convoluted job, i s my > > opinion. It might be nice to add classes to C, but that's > > about it. > > Perhaps ironically, some called C++ "C With Classes" early on, as I > recall. Meanwhile, Objective-C ended up being what C++ initially claimed > it would be (a strict superset of C that provided facilities for OOP), > while C++ failed to live up to its own promises while expanding into all > kinds of things that were not actually desired in those early days (like > a politician once elected to office). This is, of course, largely the > perspective of an outsider, so take it for what it's worth. > About 2000, 2001 was when I shucked my "muuz" game/mind-machine effort. It was over 10K line of C-ish code that I rehacked into C++. Figured since C++ was "_the_ new language" that it was a good move. Then I realized how you could spend a lifetime learning C++ I backed off and kept it simple. > > > > > TWo questions: didn't IBM create CPL? And doesn't BCPL > > Stand for "British Computer Programming Language"? (I did have > > both editions of the C book by Brian and DEnnis; then loaned the > > 2nd edition and never got ti back.) I think Dennis gives credit > > to BCPL Somewhere. Pretty sure those guys are all retired to > > somewhere *warm and sunny* by now! > > The second edition is still in stores all over the place. It's the first > edition that would be difficult to find these days, I think. My father > tells me he has a copy, though I've never seen it; I only have the second > edition. Yeah, it's on amazon.com, but "my bible" {seriously!} is good enough. Dog-earned and coffee-stained; but it's the same as the 2nd Ed. The 2nd is ANSI-ified, IIRC. gary > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://journey.thought.org For non-text MUA's http://theopenpress.com/index.php?a=print&code=00&id=88532 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 14 22:43:34 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD45106564A for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 22:43:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 30E458FC19 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 22:43:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 31590 invoked by uid 0); 14 Nov 2010 22:43:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2010 22:43:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=TPKknoy97TetrJZH9V5Xf4ZWxLWQF+tqc6BfcBqcU1NX6PEGRGMdU8LD4nPEHIPwmohSuXM+wVLX6pa3cnfh+McGW4C6aqG+1x0i5D+iKD15FmICtoPphHIWmkWk7lia; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PHlIJ-0006iE-TM for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 15:43:33 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 14 Nov 2010 15:37:15 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 15:37:15 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101114223715.GA50902@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201011132032.oADKW4FG025920@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101113220559.GE45921@guilt.hydra> <4cdfa533.KmbS7pHvQ3h+K92G%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20101114204450.GA9247@thought.org> <20101114220249.GC43542@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101114220249.GC43542@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 22:43:34 -0000 --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 02:02:49PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth Gary Kline on Sunday, 14 November 2010: > >=20 > >=20 > > Just about the whole Murray Hill gang stopped by Cray=20 > > (in Chippewa Falls), late 80's, and I remember asking Dennis > > what the deal was with "C++"; I remember him dodging the > > thing. Whoever-invented-C++ did a convoluted job, i s my > > opinion. It might be nice to add classes to C, but that's > > about it. > >=20 > The inventor of C++ is Bjarne Stroustrop. I had the chance opportunity > to sit down at a table with him and have a conversation prior to an SD > West conference several years ago. He's a nice guy, with a great sense > of humor -- but even he admits "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the > foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do it blows your whole leg off." > http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bjarne_Stroustrup There's always the theory that Bjarne Stroustrup actually meant C++ as a joke: http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/I_did_it_for_you_all It's generally regarded as a hoax, and there is an actually published interview that corresponds with this time period in IEEE's Computer Magazine that reads quite differently from this. Still . . . if this is real, it would certainly explain a lot. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzgZJsACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXSCwCdEhezRzEnrVjT3jPEA9XdbE2X EGUAoM2Pb0CmhoJXi3z1aoxjlZ4L86nx =0GHa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 14 22:47:59 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FD92106564A for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 22:47:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from modulok@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC538FC14 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 22:47:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb36 with SMTP id 36so1942606wyb.13 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 14:47:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/rMrdce4Iyv5HDKVErfiyQp02pk0CZUKlDxM+/fPD/E=; b=UEUyYMc7XOgo1jcqIA0pnoqAdEfxwruki0lEj8dwDEjvfbVr6xeIMzhuG7Href6BCX +6m+sPxzc1Egaj1oVkXUy5SIdyUNlTl0VK7yRQRla+OVaPIai+HZtJ+yUhkQ6cfjiHDP sgpaX7we0bfmlf2X4e03QcedDAV4NSxsGvz+I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=VfFgVgfURRbxlBHxIZP1gJg+VE5gkv7RpKkAiGrs4F9qKTurXccyDd1h/P3+d8EtK3 SjScmVzPtQyqSsZp2c2PXdSbPGSzFvbFudPGP/icdo9q4QZwNdhtuvQyOnyOYwavcNjI WwBkyQo1nWdciRu8ux7b4epAavOEQfMqrscw0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.141.129 with SMTP id m1mr3166189wbu.95.1289774876892; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 14:47:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.138.12 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 14:47:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 15:47:56 -0700 Message-ID: From: Modulok To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Is ZFS ready for prime time? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 22:47:59 -0000 List, I'm ready to build a backup server and have two questions... 1) Is ZFS as of 8.1 Release considered to be ready for mission critical? 2) If I put ZFS on top of geli, will this, in any way, (other than performance) impair ZFS's features? For example would stuff like the ability to self heal and what not, still work? As I understand it, I can just treat a geli like a generic block device, right? Thanks! -Modulok- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 14 22:50:51 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25338106566B for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 22:50:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpeel@thenetnow.com) Received: from constellation.thenetnow.com (constellation.thenetnow.com [207.112.4.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E918FC08 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 22:50:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hpeel.ody.ca ([216.240.12.2] helo=GRANTLAPTOP) by constellation.thenetnow.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1PHlPJ-0000Fk-U3 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 17:50:46 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Grant Peel" To: Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 17:50:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18263 Subject: IPFW at startup. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 22:50:51 -0000 Hi all, I seem to have one server that does not flush the /etc/rc.firewall rules when the script taken from "firewall_type" starts up. That is to say when I boot the machine, 3 rules seem to be still in the list when I do an ipfw -a list. Those three rules appear to be from the /etc.rc.firewall script. The rules from my /etc/ipfw.rules file DO get loaded. Here are the three rules (100, 200, and 300), from /etc/rc.firewall. setup_loopback () { ############ # Only in rare cases do you want to change these rules # ${fwcmd} add 100 pass all from any to any via lo0 ${fwcmd} add 200 deny all from any to 127.0.0.0/8 ${fwcmd} add 300 deny ip from 127.0.0.0/8 to any Here is my /etc/rc,conf setup: firewall_enable="YES" firewall_logging="YES" firewall_type="/etc/ipfw.rules" Here is my /etc/ipfw.rules: enterprise# more /etc/ipfw.rules # Loopback add 00001 allow ip from any to any via lo0 # Office and Home add 00200 allow ip from xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx to any add 00201 allow ip from any to xxx xxx xxx xxx add 00202 allow all from xxx xxx xxx xxx to any add 00203 allow all from any to xxx xxx xxx xxx # Allow fxp0 out add 00204 allow all from any to any out # Allow local net add 02000 allow ip from any to any via fxp1 # email add 04000 allow all from xxx xxx xxx xxx to any add 04010 allow all from any to xxx xxx xxx xxx add 04020 allow all from xxx xxx xxx xxx to any add 04030 allow all from any to xxx xxx xxx xxx add 04040 allow tcp from any to any 25,587 add 04050 allow tcp from any 25,587 to any # Bruteblock add 08000 deny ip from table(1) to me add 08001 deny ip from me to table(1) add 09050 allow udp from any to any 53 in # Email Test add 09100 allow icmp from any to any icmptypes 0,3,4,5,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18 add 65535 deny ip from any to any Oddly enough, I have several machies that are setup identicly and this is the only one that has stikky rules from /etc/rc.firewall. Any one have any idea what knob might have been turned that causes the sticky startup rules? -Grant From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 14 23:04:57 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAFA2106564A for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 23:04:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CFF88FC12 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 23:04:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0924AE80C51; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 15:05:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 15:05:01 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101114230501.GB10006@thought.org> References: <201011132032.oADKW4FG025920@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101113220559.GE45921@guilt.hydra> <4cdfa533.KmbS7pHvQ3h+K92G%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20101114204450.GA9247@thought.org> <20101114220249.GC43542@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101114220249.GC43542@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 23:04:57 -0000 On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 02:02:49PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth Gary Kline on Sunday, 14 November 2010: > > > > > > Just about the whole Murray Hill gang stopped by Cray > > (in Chippewa Falls), late 80's, and I remember asking Dennis > > what the deal was with "C++"; I remember him dodging the > > thing. Whoever-invented-C++ did a convoluted job, i s my > > opinion. It might be nice to add classes to C, but that's > > about it. > > > The inventor of C++ is Bjarne Stroustrop. I had the chance opportunity > to sit down at a table with him and have a conversation prior to an SD > West conference several years ago. He's a nice guy, with a great sense > of humor -- but even he admits "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the > foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do it blows your whole leg off." > http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bjarne_Stroustrup > I'm sure I had my share of disasters with C++ hacking test code , but OMG, the head banging was nothing compared to heavy C coding in the early days. The number of segv's brings back evil memories:-) That, and having to take a notebook and draw out where you were [or _thought_ you were] pointing to. --Things they can't teach very well in the classroom-- that sort of stuff. Great quote! > > > -- > Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F > http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com | http://chipsquips.com -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://journey.thought.org For non-text MUA's http://theopenpress.com/index.php?a=print&code=00&id=88532 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 14 23:17:52 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A6E106567A for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 23:17:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A0C68FC17 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 23:17:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CE7ABE80C51; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 15:17:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 15:17:56 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101114231756.GC10006@thought.org> References: <201011132032.oADKW4FG025920@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101113220559.GE45921@guilt.hydra> <4cdfa533.KmbS7pHvQ3h+K92G%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20101114204450.GA9247@thought.org> <20101114220249.GC43542@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101114223715.GA50902@guilt.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101114223715.GA50902@guilt.hydra> X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 23:17:52 -0000 On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 03:37:15PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 02:02:49PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > > Quoth Gary Kline on Sunday, 14 November 2010: > > > > > > > > > Just about the whole Murray Hill gang stopped by Cray > > > (in Chippewa Falls), late 80's, and I remember asking Dennis > > > what the deal was with "C++"; I remember him dodging the > > > thing. Whoever-invented-C++ did a convoluted job, i s my > > > opinion. It might be nice to add classes to C, but that's > > > about it. > > > > > The inventor of C++ is Bjarne Stroustrop. I had the chance opportunity > > to sit down at a table with him and have a conversation prior to an SD > > West conference several years ago. He's a nice guy, with a great sense > > of humor -- but even he admits "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the > > foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do it blows your whole leg off." > > http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bjarne_Stroustrup > > There's always the theory that Bjarne Stroustrup actually meant C++ as a > joke: > > http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/I_did_it_for_you_all > > It's generally regarded as a hoax, and there is an actually published > interview that corresponds with this time period in IEEE's Computer > Magazine that reads quite differently from this. Still . . . if this is > real, it would certainly explain a lot. > Hmmm. I'll ck out the quote when I'm using evo. I honestly doesn't see C++ as any joke--or attempt to be. What I can't grok is the supposed "re-useability." Was/Isn't a big part of C++ supposed to be that you could easily reuse part of proven, flawless code? I probably never got that far into learning the language. I have and still do edit, cut/paste, hammer and saw away at my C examples to get at functions that are reusable. > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://journey.thought.org For non-text MUA's http://theopenpress.com/index.php?a=print&code=00&id=88532 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 14 23:32:48 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F091F106564A for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 23:32:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patfbsd@davenulle.org) Received: from smtp.lamaiziere.net (net.lamaiziere.net [91.121.44.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B621B8FC08 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 23:32:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (unknown [192.168.1.10]) by smtp.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D694163319F; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 00:13:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F882CF69A; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 00:13:34 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 00:13:30 +0100 From: Patrick Lamaiziere To: "Rakhesh Sasidharan" Message-ID: <20101115001330.4fb74fa5@davenulle.org> In-Reply-To: <1289568399.7673.1404953861@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1289568399.7673.1404953861@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD crashed - trying to find out why X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 23:32:49 -0000 Le Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:26:39 +0400, "Rakhesh Sasidharan" a crit : Hello, > Any idea why kernel crashed, or what I can do to prevent this in > future? I understand from the forums that this could be due to bad > memory or bad hard disk, but I was wondering whether this could also > be due to any incompatibilities with KVM (triggered by tmux perhaps). No idea, the best is to configure the machine to save the dump and after (if it happens again) submit a trace of the core dump. This is explained in : http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/developers-handbook/kerneldebug.html Regards. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 00:35:29 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5531065673 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 00:35:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 655CF8FC1E for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 00:35:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 28138 invoked by uid 0); 15 Nov 2010 00:35:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2010 00:35:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=bVVTxRDLCTlPPbSQA5kHj5u1THdvcgCqS13UhrMEpEkZ/nFl1bY/JaD2UvleRfxMy8cJKyZK+cpwolRUyIRpzh4z6FWGqFsYxkEdZSBZnRIIVKsEjAH/sBlQ3jOw3XwA; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PHn2d-00073R-OF for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 17:35:28 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 14 Nov 2010 17:29:10 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 17:29:10 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101115002910.GA51179@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201011132032.oADKW4FG025920@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101113220559.GE45921@guilt.hydra> <4cdfa533.KmbS7pHvQ3h+K92G%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20101114204450.GA9247@thought.org> <20101114214141.GD50560@guilt.hydra> <20101114223932.GA10006@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101114223932.GA10006@thought.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 00:35:29 -0000 --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 02:39:32PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: >=20 > About 2000, 2001 was when I shucked my "muuz" game/mind-machine=20 > effort. It was over 10K line of C-ish code that I rehacked into=20 > C++. Figured since C++ was "_the_ new language" that it was a=20 > good move. Then I realized how you could spend a lifetime > learning C++ I backed off and kept it simple. Hardly new. It hasn't been the Next Big Thing since the '80s. Java was the Next Big Thing in the '90s. We don't exactly have a new Next Big Thing for the '00s, from what I can see -- and maybe that's a good thing. Agile development is the Next Big Thing for development methodologies, but that's a somewhat separate issue. >=20 > Yeah, it's on amazon.com, but "my bible" {seriously!} is good > enough. Dog-earned and coffee-stained; but it's the same as the > 2nd Ed. The 2nd is ANSI-ified, IIRC. That's correct -- 2nd Ed is the ANSI C version of basically the same text. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzgftYACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUQ6gCgq5AJTMPDQS/7+jIEtJ/nbRFJ YV4AoMwp9RBoSfK/oW2Hfpw5USqkLPDd =5IU6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 05:54:45 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32BFC106564A for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 05:54:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 147BB8FC1D for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 05:54:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id XHtX1f0070x6nqcA2HukLW; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 05:54:44 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id XHui1f0071f6R9u8YHujbp; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 05:54:44 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 14 Nov 2010 21:54:42 -0800 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 21:54:42 -0800 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101115055442.GA58476@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201011132032.oADKW4FG025920@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101113220559.GE45921@guilt.hydra> <4cdfa533.KmbS7pHvQ3h+K92G%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20101114204450.GA9247@thought.org> <20101114214141.GD50560@guilt.hydra> <20101114223932.GA10006@thought.org> <20101115002910.GA51179@guilt.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101115002910.GA51179@guilt.hydra> X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.20 X-Composer: Vim 7.2 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 05:54:45 -0000 On Sun 14 Nov 2010 at 16:29:10 PST Chad Perrin wrote: >On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 02:39:32PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: >> >> About 2000, 2001 was when I shucked my "muuz" game/mind-machine >> effort. It was over 10K line of C-ish code that I rehacked into >> C++. Figured since C++ was "_the_ new language" that it was a >> good move. Then I realized how you could spend a lifetime >> learning C++ I backed off and kept it simple. > >Hardly new. It hasn't been the Next Big Thing since the '80s. Java was >the Next Big Thing in the '90s. We don't exactly have a new Next Big >Thing for the '00s, from what I can see -- and maybe that's a good I'd say the "Next Big Thing" in the '00s was Python ... or was it XML? BTW, it's now the '10s. ;-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 06:53:37 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4415A1065670 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 06:53:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cronfy@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81518FC0A for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 06:53:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so4869375bwz.13 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 22:53:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=02pG47bLUX1zJK5gGYA1Z+H+6bh5ObwwSwPn9VOcCms=; b=c8ViyIcLL6lMLApVF8uAuDYKNcRIAS630gSEKNoZbiQDUUSNhTlmGhGEaRsDs6DX+v Pte3CoNVVLw1+kfdkR8ndR1uLXuW/JOUep8uHXigjrwYQL2+2xCSgNhkRgvitoRWLGIN 2lTseNDhdqtBGHjyx/n9gLQI11vpgIKdtpRlk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=r3QQFyAYnHorwquUM8qZUmHio6Da5pY6jZlDuzBRTCQqPFBwBaZsB4QuaiCr6dK7bs TVIzkNXzQowSb5wf5y7iAw7r2ThuQVv5At1PM1M0Ifo6W9jBqiB3phUDSelKVxcyAuV9 2lL2eUTAtlHT21GxSUQVqTwUxNCqWnSGub3nA= Received: by 10.204.73.78 with SMTP id p14mr5645399bkj.154.1289802156526; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 22:22:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.73.135 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 22:22:06 -0800 (PST) From: cronfy Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:22:06 +0300 Message-ID: To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: zfs on 7.3 with 7.2 world X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 06:53:37 -0000 Hello, I want to start using ZFS v13 and I have FreeBSD 7.2 world with 7.3 kernel. Do I have to upgrade zfs/zpool binaries (and maybe some libraries) to 7.3 or only recent kernel version is required to work with ZVS v13 safely? And if I need to upgrade something in the world - what should it be? Thanks. -- // cronfy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 07:20:46 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FFC4106566B for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:20:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 05B0A8FC08 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:20:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 31659 invoked by uid 0); 15 Nov 2010 07:20:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2010 07:20:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=T6MPPFkpGtknsiHaT5Ah9FqLlidP8ifDMUdFmAfogMFsd34ACIUtZYNVysNOFJDD7R6vN3QSEoAA7d3v0uJHIUlhM3YX54ErYrSztn39wITjKPzVIYF9zng9hc/wRthJ; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PHtMq-0003qG-7R for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 00:20:45 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 15 Nov 2010 00:14:26 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 00:14:26 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101115071426.GA52259@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201011132032.oADKW4FG025920@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101113220559.GE45921@guilt.hydra> <4cdfa533.KmbS7pHvQ3h+K92G%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20101114204450.GA9247@thought.org> <20101114214141.GD50560@guilt.hydra> <20101114223932.GA10006@thought.org> <20101115002910.GA51179@guilt.hydra> <20101115055442.GA58476@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Qxx1br4bt0+wmkIi" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101115055442.GA58476@comcast.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:20:46 -0000 --Qxx1br4bt0+wmkIi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 09:54:42PM -0800, Charlie Kester wrote: >=20 > I'd say the "Next Big Thing" in the '00s was Python ... or was it XML? Python hasn't been dominant enough. *Maybe* XML -- but that might be a bit of a stretch. It might be a couple years before we can identify it. Hm. Maybe JavaScript . . . ? You know, that AJAXy thing. >=20 > BTW, it's now the '10s. ;-) Yeah, but there obviously hasn't been a Next Big Thing programming language for the '10s yet. Give it time. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --Qxx1br4bt0+wmkIi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzg3dIACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKV83QCeKBTHqU8lpyCJHt9VDNnwuUuB TZ0AoPgnCDnLNe72D5hTOK3DAPPSJlTl =IjbO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Qxx1br4bt0+wmkIi-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 07:42:45 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2994106566B for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:42:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 742EB8FC0C for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:42:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so4891612bwz.13 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 23:42:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Y917VyJr1IG5v/Mvk8ZUM1dQJI/xyFXyuI7phc2MIPc=; b=rZLCOHql0gf/UHn5/wKcAillRe/NQq3tQUXxnT6sqQPWFhudcaavBztWIfYsUmV1wg Vcfe/943I+nGHLnO6mi74ki0dGUiZ6B3huc2G+ueIjxsaQmszw9OD/DdGvK+E49Ihyw9 Lw5N/1oSazflgJ++jomVhUTCdm+frGvX3+2O8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=DfYgKWoA5UpBUih/OzNF3qT9WnvVlkFIVFrPaiHfVuHrXzRBk66QZTL80aNloRNxRe e6zACKE6qK98IwcUAPVhQK395QCBVdN54wOdrij8RGK00JhjMpiDlTjyj+AYV7Kpurmu nndgHMWFy5Adj43n1t3DzAJfkDeNVSiHJgVPk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.122.65 with SMTP id k1mr5653939bkr.151.1289806963261; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 23:42:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.136.211 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 23:42:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:42:43 +0100 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fernando_Apestegu=EDa?= To: User Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: About FreeBSD kernel newbies X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:42:46 -0000 Hi all, I was wondering if anyone has considered the creation of a kernel newbies mail list for FreeBSD. I am aware of two places where someone can ask questions about that: either freebsd-hackers@ or the "FreeBSD Development" forum at http://forums.freebsd.org. I've been following the Linux kernel newbies list for a while and I think it is very informative. Would it be good to have such a list? Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 07:45:02 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 105861065748 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:45:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from "cyb."@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4CCD98FC1A for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:45:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 15 Nov 2010 07:44:59 -0000 Received: from port-92-206-217-61.dynamic.qsc.de (EHLO core2duo) [92.206.217.61] by mail.gmx.net (mp065) with SMTP; 15 Nov 2010 08:44:59 +0100 X-Authenticated: #4870692 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+9uIpqVmG9eINvfjuDULR0RQAaYY3lTTyEcrUavE HlZ1NkEF0xBZEy Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:44:55 +0100 From: Andreas Rudisch To: cronfy Message-Id: <20101115084455.0bf64f16.cyb.@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.0.3 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i686-pc-mingw32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="PGP-SHA1"; boundary="Signature=_Mon__15_Nov_2010_08_44_55_+0100_WThtqYGAH4UY3Uto" X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: zfs on 7.3 with 7.2 world X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:45:02 -0000 --Signature=_Mon__15_Nov_2010_08_44_55_+0100_WThtqYGAH4UY3Uto Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:22:06 +0300 cronfy wrote: > I want to start using ZFS v13 and I have FreeBSD 7.2 world with 7.3 kerne= l. > > And if I need to upgrade something in the world - what should it be? Why do you not update FreeBSD properly? If you want to use 7.3, install kernel _and_ world. (I would suggest using 8.1 though.) http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-upgradin= g.html It is far easier to help you once you run into problems, if your system is consistent. Andreas -- GnuPG key : 0x2A573565 | http://www.gnupg.org/howtos/de/ Fingerprint: 925D 2089 0BF9 8DE5 9166 33BB F0FD CD37 2A57 3565 --Signature=_Mon__15_Nov_2010_08_44_55_+0100_WThtqYGAH4UY3Uto Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) iEYEARECAAYFAkzg5PcACgkQ8P3NNypXNWUmOgCfXCQds1USMFJv6xxPjeDRPamc uMUAoJ5ygf0Qdrd6Nrp3yBnqE4PQCoF7 =SlCy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature=_Mon__15_Nov_2010_08_44_55_+0100_WThtqYGAH4UY3Uto-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 08:28:04 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CB33106566B for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:28:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from tensor.gdynia.pl (tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5EFC8FC13 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:28:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAF8S0tH032843; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:28:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oAF8S0kt032840; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:28:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:28:00 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Modulok In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:28:04 -0000 > > 1) Is ZFS as of 8.1 Release considered to be ready for mission critical? no. ZFS is not usable and will never be usable for anything more than a toy. This is a result of that design. use UFS if you want something you can trust From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 08:32:39 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73E0B106566B for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:32:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from tensor.gdynia.pl (tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 009068FC0C for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:32:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAF8WbNs033204; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:32:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oAF8WboX033200; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:32:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:32:37 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Ian Smith In-Reply-To: <20101114133941.N39988@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Message-ID: References: <20101113193632.4EFEA10656CD@hub.freebsd.org> <20101114120609.C39988@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <20101114133941.N39988@sola.nimnet.asn.au> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Rob Farmer , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: JMicron JMB363 PCIe controler doesn't work X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:32:39 -0000 > The thing is - and was then, too - that this list is widely advertised > (in the handbook, even the installed /etc/motd) as the primary contact > point for new people with questions about FreeBSD, and as such can't be > moderated by 'some poor bastard .. 24/7/365' as I put it then, nor can > it require pre-subscription as do some of the better-disciplined lists. > the only way to make ANY discussion forum usable is to have moderation and clear rules of posting. Otherwise it will be destroyed. Buy random people or actually by someone spreading nonsense willingfully. Or both From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 08:44:58 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE00F1065674 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:44:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from tensor.gdynia.pl (tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B39F8FC13 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:44:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAF8iu2F034010; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:44:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oAF8iull034007; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:44:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:44:56 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Grant Peel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IPFW at startup. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:44:58 -0000 simply edit /etc/rc.d/ipfw and make it doing only what you want. On Sun, 14 Nov 2010, Grant Peel wrote: > Hi all, > > I seem to have one server that does not flush the /etc/rc.firewall rules when > the script taken from "firewall_type" starts up. That is to say when I boot > the machine, 3 rules seem to be still in the list when I do an ipfw -a list. > Those three rules appear to be from the /etc.rc.firewall script. The rules > from my /etc/ipfw.rules file DO get loaded. > > Here are the three rules (100, 200, and 300), from /etc/rc.firewall. > > setup_loopback () { > ############ > # Only in rare cases do you want to change these rules > # > ${fwcmd} add 100 pass all from any to any via lo0 > ${fwcmd} add 200 deny all from any to 127.0.0.0/8 > ${fwcmd} add 300 deny ip from 127.0.0.0/8 to any > > Here is my /etc/rc,conf setup: > > firewall_enable="YES" > firewall_logging="YES" > firewall_type="/etc/ipfw.rules" > > Here is my /etc/ipfw.rules: > > enterprise# more /etc/ipfw.rules > # Loopback > add 00001 allow ip from any to any via lo0 > # Office and Home > add 00200 allow ip from xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx to any > add 00201 allow ip from any to xxx xxx xxx xxx > add 00202 allow all from xxx xxx xxx xxx to any > add 00203 allow all from any to xxx xxx xxx xxx > # Allow fxp0 out > add 00204 allow all from any to any out > # Allow local net > add 02000 allow ip from any to any via fxp1 > # email > add 04000 allow all from xxx xxx xxx xxx to any > add 04010 allow all from any to xxx xxx xxx xxx > add 04020 allow all from xxx xxx xxx xxx to any > add 04030 allow all from any to xxx xxx xxx xxx > add 04040 allow tcp from any to any 25,587 > add 04050 allow tcp from any 25,587 to any > # Bruteblock > add 08000 deny ip from table(1) to me > add 08001 deny ip from me to table(1) > add 09050 allow udp from any to any 53 in > # Email Test > add 09100 allow icmp from any to any icmptypes > 0,3,4,5,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18 > add 65535 deny ip from any to any > > Oddly enough, I have several machies that are setup identicly and this is the > only one that has stikky rules from /etc/rc.firewall. > > Any one have any idea what knob might have been turned that causes the sticky > startup rules? > > -Grant > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 08:46:14 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 005F91065672 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:46:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from tensor.gdynia.pl (tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 822218FC15 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:46:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAF8k6D0034126; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:46:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oAF8k6sw034123; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:46:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:46:06 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: perryh@pluto.rain.com In-Reply-To: <4cdfa533.KmbS7pHvQ3h+K92G%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Message-ID: References: <201011132032.oADKW4FG025920@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101113220559.GE45921@guilt.hydra> <4cdfa533.KmbS7pHvQ3h+K92G%perryh@pluto.rain.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: perrin@apotheon.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:46:14 -0000 > implemented at all -- but BCPL developed a following. Someone > (at Bell Labs?) produced a derivative called B, from which a few > researchers at Murray Hill derived C. Thus the question: should > the next language in the series be named D (next alphabetically) > or P (next letter of BCPL)? there will no no next language. there is no need to have C follower. C is perfect From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 08:57:27 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7291D1065674 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:57:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cronfy@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F27288FC08 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:57:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so4929801bwz.13 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 00:57:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=cz/vqnqApQuALyDfz1IeNIZOLlz7dbs3cpjthX4dUTU=; b=tQ7JB6iUdvAt71QlepIwjuL7RNXxEAp3G0QlM9O506uMCYX7xnG0WfSGqsNPandpXC dOhc9pQXiU6bcU67mZfvGTsX9TGC5mFCUrSOJVZNaU2FTzusrpECtj5Obt9Z66lrvCAh vIbQ5R9JHwdcA7p7hVGmDyrD4eLfRrZPEcgmw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=nZsMAGinc/7DVm3e2FnWZthbBFs+gzR1w7T5J8cP71y7nQH8DlNX2y8cR22RVGDQ8f /mKDWi9J/tOYuWOS/LOYmD6AqjM6rx/85T+vkoMokvuZxXYsMige9he3zQyX34z0TCu/ obYIHrJsBtkfZkd1vp2d71MeuWbQ3IShYqoSY= Received: by 10.204.115.2 with SMTP id g2mr5798227bkq.19.1289811445750; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 00:57:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.73.135 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 00:56:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20101115084455.0bf64f16.cyb.@gmx.net> References: <20101115084455.0bf64f16.cyb.@gmx.net> From: cronfy Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:56:50 +0300 Message-ID: To: Andreas Rudisch , freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: zfs on 7.3 with 7.2 world X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:57:27 -0000 Hello, > > I want to start using ZFS v13 and I have FreeBSD 7.2 world with 7.3 > kernel. > > > > And if I need to upgrade something in the world - what should it be? > > Why do you not update FreeBSD properly? If you want to use 7.3, install > kernel _and_ world. (I would suggest using 8.1 though.) > > If it would be my own desktop I surely did upgrade it as described and switched to 8.1 too. But this is a production server, so I am trying to keep changes as minimal as possible and only if changes are required indeed. -- // cronfy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 09:42:52 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4832A1065670 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:42:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from blue.qeng-ho.org (blue.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C2F8FC19 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:42:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAF9gnl5014994; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:42:50 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Message-ID: <4CE10099.6010109@qeng-ho.org> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:42:49 +0000 From: Arthur Chance User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101030 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Kline References: <201011132032.oADKW4FG025920@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101113220559.GE45921@guilt.hydra> <4cdfa533.KmbS7pHvQ3h+K92G%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20101114204450.GA9247@thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20101114204450.GA9247@thought.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:42:52 -0000 On 11/14/10 20:44, Gary Kline wrote: > TWo questions: didn't IBM create CPL? And doesn't BCPL > Stand for "British Computer Programming Language"? (I did have > both editions of the C book by Brian and DEnnis; then loaned the > 2nd edition and never got ti back.) I think Dennis gives credit > to BCPL Somewhere. Pretty sure those guys are all retired to > somewhere *warm and sunny* by now! According to Wikipedia: > The Combined Programming Language (CPL) was a computer programming > language developed jointly between the Mathematical Laboratory at the > University of Cambridge and the University of London Computer Unit > during the 1960s hence CPL gained the nickname "Cambridge Plus London" Martin Richards, who invented/first implemented BCPL is technically retired but still active here in Cambridge (the UK one): http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mr10/index.html [Note the address of Cambridge Computer Lab :-)] -- "Although the wombat is real and the dragon is not, few know what a wombat looks like, but everyone knows what a dragon looks like." -- Avram Davidson, _Adventures in Unhistory_ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 11:14:24 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A459D10656AC for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:14:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 529858FC15 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:14:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1so954974yxe.13 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 03:14:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.51.10 with SMTP id y10mr9349839yby.232.1289819662734; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 03:14:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-071-077-039-064.nc.res.rr.com [71.77.39.64]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 68sm4522624yhl.3.2010.11.15.03.14.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 15 Nov 2010 03:14:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0FE2EE54856 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 06:14:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 06:14:19 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20101115061419.364aa529@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <20101113193632.4EFEA10656CD@hub.freebsd.org> <20101114120609.C39988@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <20101114133941.N39988@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: JMicron JMB363 PCIe controler doesn't work X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:14:24 -0000 On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:32:37 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar articulated: > the only way to make ANY discussion forum usable is to have > moderation and clear rules of posting. > > Otherwise it will be destroyed. Buy random people or actually by ^^^ Maybe if we didn't buy them they wouldn't be spreading useless chatter. > someone spreading nonsense willingfully. Or both Since it has now become apparent that the "SUBJECT" of the post loses its relationship to the actual content of the post after "X" replies on this forum, I propose that we start a study on how many replies does it take for that phenomena to occur. Perhaps we could set up some sort of automation that would cut off all replies to a thread after that threshold had been reached. -- Jerry ✌ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 11:16:54 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAC1D106566B for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:16:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B02B8FC19 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:16:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwb13 with SMTP id 13so102398wwb.31 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 03:16:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=+x+Yp2OjpKGw6Oj3/UK5abM9wHzqfFbDq4rWFZ2imbE=; b=q41whflgqZx0BOFoRXVwXJf5OnFlCIvF8pokuYg5F9kAmNTikY6SIUKnyN8tHJcOt1 KgjXPDTONYgDNML1I4Qjv3lYuybc2jgDzabPoRRiGMIb8/WUDcV/VYDx4gSRQfepUIbW ipmSjZ8PfTiJ0Wds/9nYmwOtlniWLBMiatMOE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=YttrPGngEQccPrkYqPJx/sWnky7cPeSaM1veGvkAoUxJiVy+U2pDoeMK/GjvzF+D8W rK5cGjx0Patuzk6lxNYRSOwdgK0ogNwaK5Ld0ivQboyILZvvMVEtOXy1Vozb/c9WCW2L iDUMQVDV179OuuOSaP3WiNnKxLlBHh4+D/ujY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.45.199 with SMTP id p49mr2593981web.29.1289819812098; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 03:16:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.72.148 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 03:16:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:16:52 +0000 Message-ID: From: krad To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Modulok Subject: Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:16:54 -0000 On 15 November 2010 08:28, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> 1) Is ZFS as of 8.1 Release considered to be ready for mission critical? >> > > no. ZFS is not usable and will never be usable for anything more than a > toy. This is a result of that design. > > use UFS if you want something you can trust > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > please elaborate From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 11:19:46 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B031065670 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:19:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 641928FC12 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:19:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id XPG41f0041GXsucACPKm1h; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:19:46 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id XPKk1f0021f6R9u8UPKkng; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:19:45 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 15 Nov 2010 03:19:43 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 03:19:43 -0800 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101115111943.GB58476@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20101113193632.4EFEA10656CD@hub.freebsd.org> <20101114120609.C39988@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <20101114133941.N39988@sola.nimnet.asn.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.20 X-Composer: Vim 7.2 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: JMicron JMB363 PCIe controler doesn't work X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:19:46 -0000 On Mon 15 Nov 2010 at 00:32:37 PST Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >the only way to make ANY discussion forum usable is to have >moderation and clear rules of posting. > >Otherwise it will be destroyed. Buy random people or actually by >someone spreading nonsense willingfully. Or both > I notice that you never got an answer to your question about that PCIe controller. I wish I had an answer for you, and that people finding your question in the list archives won't have to wade through so many useless replies only to come up empty. I think we owe both you and them an apology. No one should add anything more to this thread unless it answers Wojciech's specific technical question. If you can't resist the urge to discuss list moderation or anything else that's been spuriously introduced into this thread, please start another one. (But I completely agree with Wojciech's comments above, and don't expect my plea for self-moderation to have any lasting effect.) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 12:12:37 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 322C61065670 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:12:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from krivenok.dmitry@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFDF98FC16 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:12:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so6695373iwn.13 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 04:12:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=9P36XCJs5JBxPNJOfNRFerhHmU0DomW8GRtZFAVObB0=; b=FQ/Ey12IRfOWqOrff0XYqoXZCC+/yw8b3xkPI5Ory3YHREhLQUqjx8PZfG36Z8ynze Nwt9cMBTj7GAMV0P59hOVpdV+80/7cG7MLjgo8nxXcxGSxltk9sBw+UJLHQ5T6G4g8g3 dSvfUw2gHxFgqcHguN+VS5JNooi+vzY++qLzk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=btKPfB18Pzh0jrpT7+fBj9pxVsus1hx3d6vB7YIf9V7kOrKl2IgMXocVgJo7+bY3sb zAoIhDgYaTFNn/PyWhv26EB2+grh3gO7QpzRymstSGpJbXmSXJqLlO3AUVJGtpx8avp4 758EVwfEMszxY/AdvZlMrMD/vRsQkO3DaU3eI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.14.8 with SMTP id e8mr4201106iba.71.1289821469887; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 03:44:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.152.2 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 03:44:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:44:29 +0300 Message-ID: From: Dmitry Krivenok To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Weongyo Jeong Subject: Problem with bwn and firmware (bwn0: the fw file(bwn_v4_lp_ucode15) not found) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:12:37 -0000 Hello! I have the following wi-fi card on my Dell Latitude E6400: siba_bwn0@pci0:12:0:0: class=0x028000 card=0x000c1028 chip=0x431514e4 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Broadcom Corporation' device = 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)' class = network Grepping for 0x4315 I found that my card is supported by bwn driver: root@olimpico-freebsd 22:08:00 ~ # [0] grep -r 4315 /usr/src/sys/dev/ | grep -i bcm /usr/src/sys/dev/siba/siba_bwn.c: { PCI_VENDOR_BROADCOM, 0x4315, "Broadcom BCM4312 802.11b/g Wireless" }, root@olimpico-freebsd 22:08:01 ~ # [0 0] I have recompiled my kernel (slightly modified 8.1 kernel) with the following options set: device siba_bwn device bwn device wlan device wlan_amrr device firmware Then I installed bwn-firmware-kmod port and now I have the following modules loaded: root@olimpico-freebsd 21:57:25 ~ # [0] kldstat Id Refs Address Size Name 1 9 0xc0400000 7bde40 kernel 2 1 0xc0bbe000 37248 if_bwn.ko 3 1 0xc0bf6000 2b770 bwn_v4_ucode.ko 4 1 0xc0c22000 2cb24 bwn_v4_lp_ucode.ko root@olimpico-freebsd 21:57:27 ~ # [0] These modules were created during bwn-firmware-kmod build using firmware extracted from broadcom-wl-4.178.10.4.tar.bz2 by means of b43-fwcutter tool. I also noticed that bwn0 interface was created: root@olimpico-freebsd 21:57:37 ~ # [0] ifconfig bwn0 bwn0: flags=8802 metric 0 mtu 2290 ether 90:4c:e5:21:44:ec media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect (autoselect) status: no carrier root@olimpico-freebsd 21:57:44 ~ # [0] My problem, however, is that when I run root@olimpico-freebsd 21:59:45 ~ # [0] ifconfig wlan create wlandev bwn0 ssid olimpico wepmode on wepkey 0120119850 weptxkey 1 up wlan0 root@olimpico-freebsd 21:59:54 ~ # [0] I see the following in dmesg output: wlan0: Ethernet address: 90:4c:e5:21:44:ec bwn_v4_lp_ucode15: firmware image loaded, but did not register bwn0: the fw file(bwn_v4_lp_ucode15) not found bwn-open_v4_lp_ucode15: could not load firmware image, error 2 bwn0: the fw file(bwn-open_v4_lp_ucode15) not found Am I missing something important? Thanks! -- Sincerely yours, Dmitry V. Krivenok e-mail: krivenok.dmitry@gmail.com skype: krivenok_dmitry jabber: krivenok_dmitry@jabber.ru icq: 242-526-443 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 12:28:57 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B4FB106566B for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:28:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mohsenjokar@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 586488FC16 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:28:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk34 with SMTP id 34so1795101qyk.13 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 04:28:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=nVYBJJZAUA6ypoDztkdZoNJCX8WRIKeOqYDml4Njdus=; b=PuLIfYW06l1Hnhpa1QUfme1E0SV7bbM3dlZqw2kh/XqAT41Hc4WPOl8hx6b5szTRfn 7jIK9GULN7DI8cQBAmfq4yoXVD3VGMlozz33cyCCmI+4R8d50oUXT0Wk/qPMCHYN82fe 7sxsH4N8rWRxkRtV3jDkpcyv9xPE7lJPF/4do= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=cMD1OYjNoQCuyYOZTMxKzQL1WulMD78pKAS+8e0P1QrE4RpCXDHxQ5yzldHtQ7Fk5C +/tqrdqFd1UDerUHiGLbN3X2J/oOmFChwMDafdxEQGLGyoAUAZ9vI3Z6lVGXeZT+utKB DscgLlw7v12FTO3stMM9JGOEeFJv395oBhXok= Received: by 10.229.218.11 with SMTP id ho11mr4962774qcb.251.1289823414314; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 04:16:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.182.21 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 04:16:34 -0800 (PST) From: Mohsen Mostafa Jokar Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:16:34 +0000 Message-ID: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:44:07 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: I need help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:28:57 -0000 Hello. My name is mohsen,I'm a student in software engineering.I'm from Iran. I see Non-English Mailing lists in FreeBSD web site,and i understand FreeBSD not have mailing list for my countery. FrreBSD is popular distro in my country,I want know for create new mailing list for my country what should i do? I thankful If you guide me. Thanks. Best Regards. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 13:03:37 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D75E10656D7 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:03:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F5A8FC13 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:03:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so5091062bwz.13 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 05:03:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:received :reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; bh=cUtfeEtz1RBg+G/B5tnjKjPE2wv8bXZP4/cs/UIFp5o=; b=RD/Y+JkYJ68rK439TZiCKRTVomz6dLU3B4+VZUYONZtucmQu40lnV4SAiWX4q7X5/q 27zQPDvv1pIMxkZR/Z8LRqoiDz+aQfrddYNZ7nBVGP0B1jpM2BixXrnh6h9WHdFAHUDR yWZ5UmSvdLXTCDHpeCd8hPxmBIH+48TW+8w6M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=ZqA2RTcZTBPsstusLhiYQw6jh1RBaPVCwpzJn7ZnHhir11JueMvsaPiMPeYrx5G8rA hy6Y5RyVR8C55gWLMFNk9U5ooARkfx71XXpFJUv9LKtkQgxCx3owWj2K1Cz1WYr06Zls Ymka+EutDnnEfWm3HEVXcGfhfHeuKyCc5QWNQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.61.16 with SMTP id r16mr6083881bkh.4.1289826215473; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 05:03:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.52.19 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 05:03:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.52.19 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 05:03:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:03:35 +0000 Message-ID: From: Chris Rees To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Grant Peel , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IPFW at startup. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:03:37 -0000 It's not a great idea to hack the rc.d scripts, they can be clobbered when updating. Chris -------- Sorry for top-posting, Android won't let me quote, but K-9 can't yet do threading. On 15 Nov 2010 08:45, "Wojciech Puchar" wrote: simply edit /etc/rc.d/ipfw and make it doing only what you want. On Sun, 14 Nov 2010, Grant Peel wrote: > Hi all, > > I seem to have one server that does not flus... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 13:29:53 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A3BD1065675 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:29:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC7938FC18 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:29:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id oAFDTnlp031266; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 00:29:50 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 00:29:49 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Grant Peel In-Reply-To: <20101115111955.438801065754@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20101115230721.T39988@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20101115111955.438801065754@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IPFW at startup. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:29:53 -0000 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 337, Issue 1, Message: 15 On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 17:50:47 -0500 "Grant Peel" wrote: > > I seem to have one server that does not flush the /etc/rc.firewall rules > when the script taken from "firewall_type" starts up. That is to say when I > boot the machine, 3 rules seem to be still in the list when I do an ipfw -a > list. Those three rules appear to be from the /etc.rc.firewall script. The > rules from my /etc/ipfw.rules file DO get loaded. > > Here are the three rules (100, 200, and 300), from /etc/rc.firewall. > > setup_loopback () { > ############ > # Only in rare cases do you want to change these rules > # > ${fwcmd} add 100 pass all from any to any via lo0 > ${fwcmd} add 200 deny all from any to 127.0.0.0/8 > ${fwcmd} add 300 deny ip from 127.0.0.0/8 to any > > Here is my /etc/rc,conf setup: > > firewall_enable="YES" > firewall_logging="YES" > firewall_type="/etc/ipfw.rules" > > Here is my /etc/ipfw.rules: > > enterprise# more /etc/ipfw.rules > # Loopback > add 00001 allow ip from any to any via lo0 > # Office and Home Ok, looking through your /etc/rc.firewall you should find: ############ # Flush out the list before we begin. # ${fwcmd} -f flush setup_loopback which installs those rules straight after the flush. Browsing bits of http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/etc/rc.firewall shows the last version that does NOT run setup_loopback in ALL cases is RELENG_6. Anyway, apart from the fact that rules 200 and 300 are worth having, all you need to do to remove those rules is to make your first rule: -f flush I'll refrain from comment on your ruleset, except that: > add 65535 deny ip from any to any you can't actually override the default rule, which is either 'deny' or 'allow' according to the value of net.inet.ip.fw.default_to_accept which depends on a kernel build option, so you might use say 65000 to be sure. > Oddly enough, I have several machies that are setup identicly and this is > the only one that has stikky rules from /etc/rc.firewall. > > Any one have any idea what knob might have been turned that causes the > sticky startup rules? If those systems are >= 7.0, maybe they have an older /etc/rc.firewall? cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 13:46:55 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E497106576B for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:46:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nr1c0re@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD6748FC0C for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:46:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk34 with SMTP id 34so1869889qyk.13 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 05:46:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=aESyW0lK2vlLmSkHnIy3tPUj0hwbssxoDVRDrOfs3j4=; b=iw/HUiyJG18OiublOeDhGRRM5TZ01Q5nWiz4MBZwxP4d/kSgwLs0Rc5WlrZopOtiyk YLi5Vx0J9F0s1XV3iH6n7JUofba2tlHJn0CkCckkDXsb13iiHF11urQ/fXm9oVGGGfM7 PzwwjCvIzwU3UIKB7lhDyXO/ADPZkDLULjzq8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=uDVKSFhTpyAf8OtLqeFEYKZh+bLxhKLagmeU7kP2JxRyaRiBJGfzG0odQAj22Qwp1G q3ngNVEmTgZQ4tfVsS2zbbXAZsnk7I3RKfkyNcMWA3kJeVRySinEsCpgSG0hlnSob6JF xqlSYQNdeQMGqZzHwXjE48oPZ1iSt8eOThzVE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.184.13 with SMTP id ci13mr5038635qcb.253.1289827030877; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 05:17:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.64.91 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 05:17:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 16:17:10 +0300 Message-ID: From: c0re To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: openssl version - how to verify X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:46:55 -0000 Hey all! If I look at base openssl in 7.3-RELEASE-p3 sys# openssl version -a OpenSSL 0.9.8e 23 Feb 2007 built on: Mon Sep 27 11:54:36 MSD 2010 platform: FreeBSD-i386 options: bn(64,32) md2(int) rc4(idx,int) des(ptr,risc1,16,long) blowfish(idx) compiler: cc OPENSSLDIR: "/etc/ssl" but at www.openssl.org I see that it's not recent version 01-Jun-2010: OpenSSL 0.9.8o is now available, including important bug and security fixes I know that freebsd security team make patches for base openssl, but how can I know what patchlevel of openssl in base version? Like "-p5" in "OpenSSL 0.9.8e-p5 23 Feb 2007". From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 14:08:56 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE6D2106566B for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:08:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F3AB8FC18 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:08:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1so1025702yxe.13 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 06:08:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.27.9 with SMTP id e9mr9503181ybj.229.1289830134905; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 06:08:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-071-077-039-064.nc.res.rr.com [71.77.39.64]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t9sm3104640ybe.9.2010.11.15.06.08.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 15 Nov 2010 06:08:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4D8BCE54856 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:08:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:08:51 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20101115090851.237f167b@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: openssl version - how to verify X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:08:56 -0000 On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 16:17:10 +0300 c0re articulated: > If I look at base openssl in 7.3-RELEASE-p3 > > sys# openssl version -a > OpenSSL 0.9.8e 23 Feb 2007 > built on: Mon Sep 27 11:54:36 MSD 2010 > platform: FreeBSD-i386 > options: bn(64,32) md2(int) rc4(idx,int) des(ptr,risc1,16,long) > blowfish(idx) compiler: cc > OPENSSLDIR: "/etc/ssl" > > but at www.openssl.org I see that it's not recent version > > 01-Jun-2010: OpenSSL 0.9.8o is now available, including > important bug and security fixes > > I know that freebsd security team make patches for base openssl, but > how can I know what patchlevel of openssl in base version? > > Like "-p5" in "OpenSSL 0.9.8e-p5 23 Feb 2007". Why not just install the ports version: openssl version -a OpenSSL 1.0.0a 1 Jun 2010 built on: Sun Jun 6 12:19:12 EDT 2010 platform: BSD-x86_64 options: bn(64,64) rc4(8x,int) des(idx,cisc,16,int) idea(int) blowfish(idx) compiler: cc -fPIC -DOPENSSL_PIC -DZLIB_SHARED -DZLIB -DOPENSSL_THREADS -D_REENTRANT -DDSO_DLFCN -DHAVE_DLFCN_H -DL_ENDIAN -DTERMIOS -O3 -DMD32_REG_T=int -Wall -O2 -pipe -march=athlon64 -fno-strict-aliasing -DOPENSSL_IA32_SSE2 -DOPENSSL_BN_ASM_MONT -DSHA1_ASM -DSHA256_ASM -DSHA512_ASM -DMD5_ASM -DAES_ASM -DWHIRLPOOL_ASM OPENSSLDIR: "/usr/local/openssl" You would need to add this to the "/etc/make.conf" file first I believe: WITH_OPENSSL_PORT=yes -- Jerry ✌ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ Fat Liberation: because a waist is a terrible thing to mind. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 14:11:43 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC8C106564A for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:11:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from indexer@internode.on.net) Received: from mail.internode.on.net (bld-mail13.adl6.internode.on.net [150.101.137.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B57E78FC0A for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:11:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mai.dhcp.chocolate.lan (unverified [203.122.194.109]) by mail.internode.on.net (SurgeMail 3.8f2) with ESMTP id 46694241-1927428 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 00:41:41 +1030 (CDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) From: Indexer In-Reply-To: <20101115090851.237f167b@scorpio> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 00:41:32 +1030 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <81515984-72F4-4CD1-AD9F-2CE7EDF944B2@internode.on.net> References: <20101115090851.237f167b@scorpio> To: FreeBSD X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.2.3 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Subject: Re: openssl version - how to verify X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:11:43 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 16/11/2010, at 00:38, Jerry wrote: > On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 16:17:10 +0300 > c0re articulated: >=20 >> If I look at base openssl in 7.3-RELEASE-p3 >>=20 >> sys# openssl version -a >> OpenSSL 0.9.8e 23 Feb 2007 >> built on: Mon Sep 27 11:54:36 MSD 2010 >> platform: FreeBSD-i386 >> options: bn(64,32) md2(int) rc4(idx,int) des(ptr,risc1,16,long) >> blowfish(idx) compiler: cc >> OPENSSLDIR: "/etc/ssl" >>=20 >> but at www.openssl.org I see that it's not recent version >>=20 >> 01-Jun-2010: OpenSSL 0.9.8o is now available, including >> important bug and security fixes >>=20 >> I know that freebsd security team make patches for base openssl, but >> how can I know what patchlevel of openssl in base version? >>=20 >> Like "-p5" in "OpenSSL 0.9.8e-p5 23 Feb 2007". >=20 > Why not just install the ports version: It breaks alot, and causes you to need to rebuild some parts of the base = system. The most notable, is SSHD, which whenever I install the openssl = from ports, will not work unless i rebuild SSHD or, remove the ports = version. >=20 > openssl version -a=20 > OpenSSL 1.0.0a 1 Jun 2010 > built on: Sun Jun 6 12:19:12 EDT 2010 > platform: BSD-x86_64 > options: bn(64,64) rc4(8x,int) des(idx,cisc,16,int) idea(int) = blowfish(idx)=20 > compiler: cc -fPIC -DOPENSSL_PIC -DZLIB_SHARED -DZLIB = -DOPENSSL_THREADS -D_REENTRANT -DDSO_DLFCN -DHAVE_DLFCN_H -DL_ENDIAN = -DTERMIOS -O3 -DMD32_REG_T=3Dint -Wall -O2 -pipe -march=3Dathlon64 = -fno-strict-aliasing -DOPENSSL_IA32_SSE2 -DOPENSSL_BN_ASM_MONT = -DSHA1_ASM -DSHA256_ASM -DSHA512_ASM -DMD5_ASM -DAES_ASM -DWHIRLPOOL_ASM > OPENSSLDIR: "/usr/local/openssl" >=20 > You would need to add this to the "/etc/make.conf" file first I = believe: >=20 > WITH_OPENSSL_PORT=3Dyes >=20 > --=20 > Jerry =E2=9C=8C > FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net >=20 > Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. > Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. > __________________________________________________________________ > Fat Liberation: because a waist is a terrible thing to mind. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" William Brown pgp.mit.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJM4T+aAAoJEHF16AnLoz6JNjsP/iK5wpZqSnQzkPpnjusBDUTG emCG8MJw7191ovvLjREbwzQjdjRFm8iGnkXcFgQabatI24Ks5WP8bR88PzYShDG7 h2kFBcmfqftnEfeWmvdjTxpE6hSxzN6291Zew4O36RMraEY/RHAUZjblB5Bu1IgS XSrOJ1ETQNXS54eMTctf6erpX1ASgGq2kGRcXGCBbqTN8smUoGtz06GiNsYzS9Qk 7iytF8kpUMpqmKoV/Os07ETcmoRTwbAgv6J7IL0nS7kTN+8BYgUY5vxL/+pRHN+Y YiXWKHgK4VCz3fW5NXQddDR1I/6clDK0ZfSDnZdHOHjkMrjTMdlzIz2OTMtkF9Z+ saQm1m78/or1FXBNXfzUhvKd3UnAoJC0PpndZTzrwiB7huJiAvvD0AJdvNyzPtM2 V7DuDY9zrBRmB5DDr1HQEEqgTRI1ZzdXo5uPwUM+RctOsxYDFvF8MFqs/eC3z9Vz PFxHX/uIbEAC6IdrkwhyVOQR1vup8U/bwgLiXDK9y82oQdksNBYbU1EWh2nanaPH CJj9WJNn2suNrYouTRhTDnCVxl0hbAgYT7w5CEfRAx8s3g82sZ+/evJutr2U7tHW /LzwoY9qyWn19t6dqMw+kENsGDKPzXkFIQ9txi5XIH8bgUKeOhJQE610uMSPvmB8 zDwJ4bEaIUzjhasCKjNS =3Dc5mr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 14:26:45 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14381106566B for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:26:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tom@diogunix.com) Received: from mail.kepos.org (mail.kepos.org [64.120.5.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 048398FC08 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:26:44 +0000 (UTC) From: "tom@diogunix.com" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:26:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201011151526.41458.tom@diogunix.com> Subject: /usr/ports/net-im/ejabberd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:26:45 -0000 Hi ALL, surprisingly, the port for /usr/ports/net-im/ejabberd too tries to build a bunch of software usually not associated with ejabberd (such as a lot of Java, X11, OpenMotif, GTK and don't know what else). After hours, the build of ejabberd then failed with: /local/include -rpath=/usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/lib \ sha_drv.c \ \ -L/usr/local/ssl/lib -lssl -lcrypto \ -DHAVE_SSL \ -L/usr/local/lib/erlang/lib/erl_interface-3.7.1/lib - lerl_interface -lei \ -I/usr/local/lib/erlang/lib/erl_interface-3.7.1/include - I/usr/local/lib/erlang/usr/include \ -o ../sha_drv.so \ -fpic -shared In file included from sha_drv.c:23: /usr/include/openssl/md2.h:64:2: error: #error MD2 is disabled. gmake[1]: *** [../sha_drv.so] Error 1 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/net- im/ejabberd/work/ejabberd-2.1.5/src/tls' gmake: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/net-im/ejabberd. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/net-im/ejabberd. I did not include any special compile options. Any hints out there ? kind regards Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 14:33:05 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D60810656A4 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:33:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A5FE8FC18 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:33:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id oAFEWv49034576; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 01:32:57 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 01:32:56 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20101115111955.438801065754@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20101116004143.D39988@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20101115111955.438801065754@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Gary Kline , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:33:05 -0000 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 337, Issue 1, Message: 19 On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 17:29:10 -0700 Chad Perrin wrote: > On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 02:39:32PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > About 2000, 2001 was when I shucked my "muuz" game/mind-machine > > effort. It was over 10K line of C-ish code that I rehacked into > > C++. Figured since C++ was "_the_ new language" that it was a > > good move. Then I realized how you could spend a lifetime > > learning C++ I backed off and kept it simple. Deftly avoiding the whirlpool. Delphi was the similar suck from Pascal. > Hardly new. It hasn't been the Next Big Thing since the '80s. Java was > the Next Big Thing in the '90s. We don't exactly have a new Next Big > Thing for the '00s, from what I can see -- and maybe that's a good thing. > > Agile development is the Next Big Thing for development methodologies, > but that's a somewhat separate issue. Whatever that means, I'll take your word for it :) > > Yeah, it's on amazon.com, but "my bible" {seriously!} is good > > enough. Dog-earned and coffee-stained; but it's the same as the > > 2nd Ed. The 2nd is ANSI-ified, IIRC. > > That's correct -- 2nd Ed is the ANSI C version of basically the same > text. Hey, didn't know I had a rare '78 first ed; ANSI not even in the index. I confess to buying it secondhand in '94 from a likely sorry bloke, and wonder if anyone's published a diff (ono) to the 2nd ed? But my most dog-eared, tabbed and note-stuffed reference is Kernighan & Plauger's Software Tools in Pascal ('81) - lovely if only for quality of the writing and typesetting. Appropriate thread for a little heresy? :) cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 14:34:27 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D1E1065679 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:34:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from smtp144.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp144.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.144]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E5C8FC14 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:34:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp34.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2A50738022E; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:34:26 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp34.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fsb-AT-thefsb.org) with ESMTPSA id 660753800D5; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:34:25 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.1.0.101012 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:34:21 -0500 From: Tom Worster To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: FreeBSD on Rackspace Could In-Reply-To: <350357563-1289691142-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-189470517-@bda115.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Rackspace Could X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:34:27 -0000 On 11/13/10 6:32 PM, "dalescott@shaw.ca" wrote: >> but dedicated/vps does not offer what cloud computing does. > >What do feel are the advantages of the cloud? i haven't used one yet but, as far as i can tell, the interesting differences derive from how the could platform implements network, storage and compute elements in a distributed hardware system meshed up with a mesh interconnect (presumably of the high-performance computing type). the resulting advantages for me: the storage arrays are raid 10 and all their responsibility not mine; shared file systems are part of the platform so i don't need to mess around with nfs; load balancing (which i currently can't afford) is part of the network platform; so is the address juggling needed for high availability (failover and restoration); and the price for each vm seems to allow me maybe 2 or 3x as many hosts as i get with dedicated servers so i can separate the db servers from the rest of the app and assign no more memory than i need to each vm. in summary, it seems i can get the high-availability, load-sharing architecture i want at a price that's beyond my budget with dedicated hosts. and it looks like there's a bunch of other nice aspects that aren't radical but will be time savers: backups, standby images, simpler sysadmin (there's a lot less to a cloud server "slice" than a whole computer), monitoring, persistence. does this begin to answer your question? this weekend i tried out gentoo on a wee celeron box i have. (someone here said gentoo was the linux most like freebsd and rackspace cloud offers it). it's the first linux experience i've had in which i didn't feel like a clumsy incompetent. the similarities and differences relative to freebsd are interesting. maybe i'll write up my initial impressions. 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Mon, 15 Nov 2010 06:49:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.62.74 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 06:49:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <350357563-1289691142-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-189470517-@bda115.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:49:54 -0500 Message-ID: From: Aryeh Friedman To: dalescott@shaw.ca, FreeBSD Mailing List , fsb@thefsb.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Subject: Fwd: FreeBSD on Rackspace Could X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:49:56 -0000 For us it is mostly cost but the other advantage (with RS at least) is you can size the "hardware" to fit your needs and not get any more then you need... for example when we first started our consulting firm back in July we bought 256MB of RAM (RS sizes the Disk, CPU, Bandwidth, etc. as a multiple of RAM) and then moved to 512MB in Sept. and except for the 10 mins it took for RS to transfer our server image from a 1U VM to a 2U VM (1U = 256MB/RAM) the move was completely painless and no time and effort was needed to update the OS, 3rd party apps, our custom made code, etc.... Like I said early the only downside of using RS as our primary server provider (even though we use it for internal development only [but since each of the 3 partners lives in a different part of the US it is much cheaper and easier then having it in one of our houses because none of our ISP's allow static IP's for non-business users which is twice the cost almost]) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Tom Worster Date: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 9:34 AM Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Rackspace Could To: dalescott@shaw.ca Cc: FreeBSD On 11/13/10 6:32 PM, "dalescott@shaw.ca" wrote: >> but dedicated/vps does not offer what cloud computing does. > >What do feel are the advantages of the cloud? i haven't used one yet but, as far as i can tell, the interesting differences derive from how the could platform implements network, storage and compute elements in a distributed hardware system meshed up with a mesh interconnect (presumably of the high-performance computing type). the resulting advantages for me: the storage arrays are raid 10 and all their responsibility not mine; shared file systems are part of the platform so i don't need to mess around with nfs; load balancing (which i currently can't afford) is part of the network platform; so is the address juggling needed for high availability (failover and restoration); and the price for each vm seems to allow me maybe 2 or 3x as many hosts as i get with dedicated servers so i can separate the db servers from the rest of the app and assign no more memory than i need to each vm. in summary, it seems i can get the high-availability, load-sharing architecture i want at a price that's beyond my budget with dedicated hosts. and it looks like there's a bunch of other nice aspects that aren't radical but will be time savers: backups, standby images, simpler sysadmin (there's a lot less to a cloud server "slice" than a whole computer), monitoring, persistence. does this begin to answer your question? this weekend i tried out gentoo on a wee celeron box i have. (someone here said gentoo was the linux most like freebsd and rackspace cloud offers it). it's the first linux experience i've had in which i didn't feel like a clumsy incompetent. the similarities and differences relative to freebsd are interesting. maybe i'll write up my initial impressions. _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 14:51:18 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D0D106566B for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:51:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA358FC13 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:51:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwj20 with SMTP id 20so2664257gwj.13 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 06:51:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=VVEPHZeIDu8D8gtpFztkle+1nHCtMvJEJ4LJt6nCq7A=; b=eEA5+VPvMPv9KaDjjhs6FnnU2u+v/TG/JFFlzE1ZvjdXJDYewBoAkhkU52zgUcj2WJ s2oHwtL58IKoL78Wam5VzEDjEvIFKSso5KkYieCTnsaCeIHAl+ebak9EZK/fhwba40pp dCUVN8tX2dZ2QdwhqfGJwGTWidCRbRfEcA1Lc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=nMDmdBFj/lUfmx2wK0LHDd9blJgpPhLc6+dhs+C/QTwLWdWEycSq5t2F0zW0yxR8mT zcGgn6m0iiveaSYmGHUKQKWkwjj+qrs/S2Gp0g17Zch6XpqD/y51OM358F7NhXq8zerp vHHiZhjl2sH73EafhDgL6Hy7PGkPh/SQWgAOA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.181.5 with SMTP id d5mr4153645ybf.300.1289832677738; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 06:51:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.62.74 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 06:51:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <350357563-1289691142-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-189470517-@bda115.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:51:17 -0500 Message-ID: From: Aryeh Friedman To: dalescott@shaw.ca, FreeBSD Mailing List , fsb@thefsb.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Rackspace Could X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:51:18 -0000 oops should of said the main disadvantage is it is not FreeBSD On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > For us it is mostly cost but the other advantage (with RS at least) is > you can size the "hardware" to fit your needs and not get any more > then you need... for example when we first started our consulting firm > back in July we bought 256MB of RAM (RS sizes the Disk, CPU, > Bandwidth, etc. as a multiple of RAM) and then moved to 512MB in Sept. > and except for the 10 mins it took for RS to transfer our server image > from a 1U VM to a 2U VM (1U = 256MB/RAM) the move was completely > painless and no time and effort was needed to update the OS, 3rd party > apps, our custom made code, etc.... > > Like I said early the only downside of using RS as our primary server > provider (even though we use it for internal development only [but > since each of the 3 partners lives in a different part of the US it is > much cheaper and easier then having it in one of our houses because > none of our ISP's allow static IP's for non-business users which is > twice the cost almost]) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Tom Worster > Date: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 9:34 AM > Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Rackspace Could > To: dalescott@shaw.ca > Cc: FreeBSD > > > On 11/13/10 6:32 PM, "dalescott@shaw.ca" wrote: > >>> but dedicated/vps does not offer what cloud computing does. >> >>What do feel are the advantages of the cloud? > > i haven't used one yet but, as far as i can tell, the interesting > differences derive from how the could platform implements network, storage > and compute elements in a distributed hardware system meshed up with a > mesh interconnect (presumably of the high-performance computing type). > > the resulting advantages for me: the storage arrays are raid 10 and all > their responsibility not mine; shared file systems are part of the > platform so i don't need to mess around with nfs; load balancing (which i > currently can't afford) is part of the network platform; so is the address > juggling needed for high availability (failover and restoration); and the > price for each vm seems to allow me maybe 2 or 3x as many hosts as i get > with dedicated servers so i can separate the db servers from the rest of > the app and assign no more memory than i need to each vm. > > in summary, it seems i can get the high-availability, load-sharing > architecture i want at a price that's beyond my budget with dedicated > hosts. > > and it looks like there's a bunch of other nice aspects that aren't > radical but will be time savers: backups, standby images, simpler sysadmin > (there's a lot less to a cloud server "slice" than a whole computer), > monitoring, persistence. > > does this begin to answer your question? > > > this weekend i tried out gentoo on a wee celeron box i have. (someone here > said gentoo was the linux most like freebsd and rackspace cloud offers > it). it's the first linux experience i've had in which i didn't feel like > a clumsy incompetent. the similarities and differences relative to freebsd > are interesting. maybe i'll write up my initial impressions. > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 15:04:41 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F6D1065675 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:04:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@midsummerdream.org) Received: from smtpauth03.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpauth03.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.183]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CC7868FC1A for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:04:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 20998 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2010 14:37:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (70.131.80.44) by smtpauth03.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.183) with ESMTP; 15 Nov 2010 14:37:59 -0000 Message-ID: <4CE145C5.8040602@midsummerdream.org> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:37:57 -0600 From: Rob User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ZFS and 4k sector drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lists@midsummerdream.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:04:41 -0000 I'm trying to figure out how, if it's possible, to make the 4k sector drives work with ZFS raidz2 pools. It seems that most of the 4k sector drives are using emulation, and reporting 512 byte sectors to the OS instead of their native 4k size. I know someone who had an issue trying to insert one of these drives into a running ZFS pool with other 512 byte sector drives with bad results. At one point I was told that it might be possible to use geli to specify the sector size (4k) and add those geli devices to a ZFS pool. I've even seen mention of using gnop. Does anyone know how well either solution works? Is there a known way to get these 4k sector drives to work in ZFS raidz2? In addition to that, how does ZFS handle drives with different sector sizes? Can I have a pool with 512 byte and 4k sector drives, or should all drives in a pool have the same sector size? Rob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 15:31:21 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8DA71065697 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:31:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B6D8FC2B for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:31:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb36 with SMTP id 36so2675396wyb.13 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:31:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=KUJedKaNQxTUnBFvR1o2FupTN3OK06QdSGLt7f/Y+xU=; b=Ot3HJnnaExJ1ROfURqLRoghFaPX240UYjZxv74YtXOgmTdmEmWjzRBeb7ftoobXW21 bxqnMuPr2tmaJoiVoGZu2rGUNo4GJd1qNx4SsWv9g3sA0vy1ch+MFuRNJfXHgsoSYmUx QxbtjiziYe8+4surhVp9aufsrBeJaQXRaIUDs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=Tjn+BAjKnRtANVVRRHyuRQomJeY9068Eg7r2vByjb5xGE0OsSywxU5Z76KWYekKBur QnKLwuHQy1fVIQTmhSZ7FoeSKIa4d7l7xGOPCiadwjHsU7qvmb7CTtSBwtmKg5lXtLhr cK6HZnas/EA8mhujmLhhrgdrEB0wnaQ8lEDIg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.132.209 with SMTP id c17mr6341811wbt.24.1289835079450; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:31:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.72.148 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:31:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20101115084455.0bf64f16.cyb.@gmx.net> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:31:19 +0000 Message-ID: From: krad To: cronfy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Andreas Rudisch <"cyb."@gmx.net>, freebsd-questions Subject: Re: zfs on 7.3 with 7.2 world X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:31:22 -0000 On 15 November 2010 08:56, cronfy wrote: > Hello, > > > > > I want to start using ZFS v13 and I have FreeBSD 7.2 world with 7.3 > > kernel. > > > > > > And if I need to upgrade something in the world - what should it be? > > > > Why do you not update FreeBSD properly? If you want to use 7.3, install > > kernel _and_ world. (I would suggest using 8.1 though.) > > > > > If it would be my own desktop I surely did upgrade it as described and > switched to 8.1 too. But this is a production server, so I am trying to > keep > changes as minimal as possible and only if changes are required indeed. > > > -- > // cronfy > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > but you now have a critical box in an unsupportable inconsistent state. If I were your boss and knew you were doing that I would be asking serious questions From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 15:40:29 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E732110656AE for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:40:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nr1c0re@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E6B28FC20 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:40:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwf7 with SMTP id 7so163477qwf.13 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:40:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=pEWaOVLWv0mh5Wd0W/mRe7Q8yilq4NsJ+gcQA02wjbw=; b=DRCa5POg1OqD+5wyFV3nXUW8IXpPKLRBoo5FCCPrl1WPscqKAF7AJ13T/4dTAjWASY WsveSK6qu69BfR25rAOyJUM8iMw/BDk5sedeVabktqfBl4/mq441y2J395JsItCNEuUw qDth+AhT6X7Oy/M6McqPf2N+1SmD16GFFig60= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=O0lNZueoxNSuimjqBiIyBgrcH569Vg8Dgm+fnRPIJX30Jzaz26z21den7uBRwDLrkO vjwAK5crITkYEzaWwo+v/v6WL3ls+/sk9DmHtmpQFTuWpt2gOTjKvggmNPVmmFnTX0uD krSdZagrUINUfInteMKZwQDx+eNUp9XpspSWw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.184.13 with SMTP id ci13mr5158497qcb.253.1289835627455; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:40:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.64.91 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:40:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20101115090851.237f167b@scorpio> References: <20101115090851.237f167b@scorpio> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:40:27 +0300 Message-ID: From: c0re To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: openssl version - how to verify X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:40:30 -0000 2010/11/15 Jerry : > On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 16:17:10 +0300 > c0re articulated: > >> If I look at base openssl in 7.3-RELEASE-p3 >> >> sys# openssl version -a >> OpenSSL 0.9.8e 23 Feb 2007 >> built on: Mon Sep 27 11:54:36 MSD 2010 >> platform: FreeBSD-i386 >> options: =A0bn(64,32) md2(int) rc4(idx,int) des(ptr,risc1,16,long) >> blowfish(idx) compiler: cc >> OPENSSLDIR: "/etc/ssl" >> >> but at www.openssl.org I see that it's not recent version >> >> 01-Jun-2010: =A0 =A0 OpenSSL 0.9.8o is now available, including >> important bug and security fixes >> >> I know that freebsd security team make patches for base openssl, but >> how can I know what patchlevel of openssl in base version? >> >> Like "-p5" in "OpenSSL 0.9.8e-p5 23 Feb 2007". > > Why not just install the ports version: > > openssl version -a > OpenSSL 1.0.0a 1 Jun 2010 > built on: Sun Jun =A06 12:19:12 EDT 2010 > platform: BSD-x86_64 > options: =A0bn(64,64) rc4(8x,int) des(idx,cisc,16,int) idea(int) blowfish= (idx) > compiler: cc -fPIC -DOPENSSL_PIC -DZLIB_SHARED -DZLIB -DOPENSSL_THREADS -= D_REENTRANT -DDSO_DLFCN -DHAVE_DLFCN_H -DL_ENDIAN -DTERMIOS -O3 -DMD32_REG_= T=3Dint -Wall -O2 -pipe -march=3Dathlon64 -fno-strict-aliasing -DOPENSSL_IA= 32_SSE2 -DOPENSSL_BN_ASM_MONT -DSHA1_ASM -DSHA256_ASM -DSHA512_ASM -DMD5_AS= M -DAES_ASM -DWHIRLPOOL_ASM > OPENSSLDIR: "/usr/local/openssl" > > You would need to add this to the "/etc/make.conf" file first I believe: > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WITH_OPENSSL_PORT=3Dyes > There are still too many broken ports with openssl from ports, I do not like debug it and really like to use base openssl, almost no difference. But I just want to have some proves that base system openssl has security patches because 7.3-RELEASE base openssl is 0.9.8e, but 0.9.8e has got security vulnerabilities. But how can I be sure that freebsd base system with 0.9.8e version does not have any vulnerabilities? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 15:44:20 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1233) id 080911065746; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:44:20 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:44:20 +0000 From: Alexander Best To: Dan Nelson Message-ID: <20101115154420.GA68812@freebsd.org> References: <157945133.20101113190428@yandex.ru> <20101114023009.GC57869@dan.emsphone.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101114023009.GC57869@dan.emsphone.com> Cc: ??????? ??????? , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: top different output X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:44:20 -0000 On Sat Nov 13 10, Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Nov 13): > > Hi, Freebsd-questions. > > *pls. redirect to right developers thread > > > > in 7.2FreeBSD top show as: > > 32 root -68 - 0K 16K WAIT 72:24 10.25% irq16: rl0 > > > > in 9.0FreeBSD top show as: > > 12 root 28 -28 - 0K 224K WAIT 3 223:03 42.77% intr > > > > top -SIP > > > > in 7 version top has better output because of I can see which interrupt > > get CPU time, in 9 I can not > > Interrupts are now processed as kernel threads. Press "H" (or use -H on the > commandline) in top to show each thread on its own line: imo the top(1) manual documents the -H switch/option very badly. nobody will ever discover it unless they know exactly what they're looking for. i assume this is being done to keep consistency with the vendor version of the top(1) manual, but there must be a better way doing this. cheers. alex > > without H: > 12 root 18 -60 - 0K 144K WAIT 624.2H 2.39% intr > > with H: > 12 root -32 - 0K 144K WAIT 377.9H 2.78% {swi4: clock} > 12 root -68 - 0K 144K WAIT 245.9H 0.39% {irq22: fxp1} > > -- > Dan Nelson > dnelson@allantgroup.com -- a13x From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 16:22:02 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3A0B1065673 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 16:22:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 608898FC12 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 16:22:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 174-21-101-204.tukw.qwest.net ([174.21.101.204] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PI1f2-0005dk-Mb for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:12:06 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:21:55 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:21:55 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20101115162154.GD95782@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <20101113193632.4EFEA10656CD@hub.freebsd.org> <20101114120609.C39988@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <20101114133941.N39988@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <20101115061419.364aa529@scorpio> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="J5MfuwkIyy7RmF4Q" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101115061419.364aa529@scorpio> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: JMicron JMB363 PCIe controler doesn't work X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 16:22:02 -0000 --J5MfuwkIyy7RmF4Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Jerry on Monday, 15 November 2010: >=20 > Since it has now become apparent that the "SUBJECT" of the post loses > its relationship to the actual content of the post after "X" replies on > this forum, I propose that we start a study on how many replies does it > take for that phenomena to occur. Perhaps we could set up some sort > of automation that would cut off all replies to a thread after that > threshold had been reached. >=20 > --=20 > Jerry ??? > FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net >=20 I propose that we spend our energies working on something that FreeBSD users would give a damn about, like enabling GEM support so the latest Intel drivers can be ported to support Ironlake graphics. --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com | http://chipsquips= .com --J5MfuwkIyy7RmF4Q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM4V4iAAoJEIpckszW26+RHSUH/RyRvsuQzD9+z91oInEbZlLU UPcOlEf5ubBgHPSWcS7SAfsHK/v9CViSkOQdV2yR/Nzvw64gyXlpTgCs/35JyCMe XcOgnGdH4Xtz8DE+iHnGF6wBhuMytn/XCSt39Yh5l0WrzR8NcsYbf3MZ7nf/XU4t k3LwDePiaEr3INLQG6kyTtRDTjq0qFVzIKyl0uVf5e7vSeBfGPGQgPGU/GdabLYC T43P/qRQEn1lhpqlKQyuUfkRe4eIYGmSJEcC4DTeTls9LSBG15maksIP/gg7PRDt /BHDFxaeBbkNS+htny1fsv8vs70ypgQk5+wJyZIT0e1NBjaacx8zqbr1opcOGz8= =tKfg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --J5MfuwkIyy7RmF4Q-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 17:19:07 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB7F31065675; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 17:19:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gergely.czuczy@harmless.hu) Received: from marvin.harmless.hu (marvin.harmless.hu [195.56.55.204]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4659B8FC19; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 17:19:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gw.mediatech.hu ([217.150.130.177] helo=unknown) by marvin.harmless.hu with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1PI2TG-0008wx-Cu; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:03:58 +0100 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:03:35 +0100 From: Gergely CZUCZY To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-drivers@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101115180335.00004610@unknown> Organization: Harmless Digital Bt X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.4cvs1 (GTK+ 2.16.0; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: LSI 9211 driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 17:19:07 -0000 Hello, I'd like to ask when can we expect a driver for the LSI 9211 hardware? That is, the following device: none13@pci0:4:0:0: class=0x010700 card=0x30501000 chip=0x00721000 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'LSI Logic (Was: Symbios Logic, NCR)' class = mass storage subclass = SAS I've tried to add the cardID to the mfi(4) and mpt(4) drivers, but the most I could get, is a failed initalization. If any devs supposed to add properly the device to any of the drivers, I should be able to arrange access to this device for the time of the development. Please be so kind to reply to any known developers of these drivers, if they might not read these mailing lists, in order to get a working driver for this card (been seen google hits on many missing the support for this driver). Drivers for linux and solars are availabe on LSI.com, but not for fbsd. Thank you very much in advance. Best regards, Gergely -- Sincerely, Gergely CZUCZY Harmless Digital Bt +36-30-9702963 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 17:24:32 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD0C1065693 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 17:24:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA078FC22 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 17:24:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1so1177014yxe.13 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:24:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.201.16 with SMTP id y16mr2128562anf.41.1289841871504; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:24:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-071-077-039-064.nc.res.rr.com [71.77.39.64]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b22sm3988455anb.15.2010.11.15.09.24.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:24:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5815DE54856 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:24:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:24:28 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20101115122428.294dde4f@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <20101115090851.237f167b@scorpio> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: openssl version - how to verify X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 17:24:32 -0000 On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:40:27 +0300 c0re articulated: > There are still too many broken ports with openssl from ports, I do > not like debug it and really like to use base openssl, almost no > difference. Might I suggest that if you are aware of ports that don't work correctly with the port's version of openssl that you file a PR against it. I have done so and succeeded in getting several patches issued to correct the problem. This problem will not go away by itself. -- Jerry ✌ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 17:47:57 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C331065672 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 17:47:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E7E38FC0A for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 17:47:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws4 with SMTP id 4so196723vws.13 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:47:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.85.210 with SMTP id p18mr5002787qcl.263.1289843275484; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:47:55 -0800 (PST) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.220.184.170 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:47:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:47:55 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: EqC46GdzFIym2dJNKDNmnhdZOAw Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: Mohsen Mostafa Jokar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I need help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 17:47:57 -0000 On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 7:16 AM, Mohsen Mostafa Jokar wrote: > Hello. > My name is mohsen,I'm a student in software engineering.I'm from Iran. > I see Non-English Mailing lists in FreeBSD web site,and i understand FreeBSD > not have mailing list for my countery. > FrreBSD is popular distro in my country,I want know for create new mailing > list for my country what should i do? > I thankful If you guide me. Hi Mohsen, Look at the statement at the bottom of the non-English mailing list bullets: "If you create other FreeBSD mailing lists, let us know about them." The link points to here: http://www.freebsd.org/mailto.html You would need to round-up local FBSD user groups to see if they can contribute to the maintenance of your server and Internet/Hosting costs. Probably your best bet is a University that is willing to host the server for you. Once you have firgured out who and how you are going to cover the costs of your mailing list and tie a domain to it. A domain like FreeBSD would almost certainly be taken, in your case, Mr. Mehdi Halataei has registered FreeBSD.ir but FreeBSD.org.ir is free so the first thing I would do is go to http://www.nic.ir/ before some else takes it. I would also contact Mr. Halataei to see what his intentions are with that domain and maybe work together. Once you have solved the issues above, get yourself some hardware and set-up Mailman for your list. Once the list is ___working and active___, contact the FBSD people to see if they can add it to the non-English list. There may be some legal issues here because of the export controls to Iran, in fact, there are probably even legal issues downloading FBSD to Iran in the first place, although I think that most components and ports qualify for exception of category 5 part II of EAR, but I'm not an expert and this issue has come up several times here so check the archives for more information. A cheaper and fast alternative is to use Google Groups but I don't know if it's legal or not, because as you probably know Google has no direct presence in Iran. Check out with them first before you use that option so later you won't lose your list archives if they shut down the list. -- Alejandro Imass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 18:10:23 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9631106564A; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:10:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [65.122.17.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E2E38FC0C; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:10:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bigwig.baldwin.cx (66.111.2.69.static.nyinternet.net [66.111.2.69]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3BD7746B4C; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:10:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from jhbbsd.localnet (smtp.hudson-trading.com [209.249.190.9]) by bigwig.baldwin.cx (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5D9058A01D; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:10:22 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: Gergely CZUCZY Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:06:10 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/7.3-CBSD-20101102; KDE/4.4.5; amd64; ; ) References: <20101115180335.00004610@unknown> In-Reply-To: <20101115180335.00004610@unknown> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201011151306.10725.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (bigwig.baldwin.cx); Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:10:22 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.3 at bigwig.baldwin.cx X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=4.2 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on bigwig.baldwin.cx Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LSI 9211 driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:10:23 -0000 On Monday, November 15, 2010 12:03:35 pm Gergely CZUCZY wrote: > Hello, > > I'd like to ask when can we expect a driver for the LSI 9211 hardware? > That is, the following device: > none13@pci0:4:0:0: class=0x010700 card=0x30501000 chip=0x00721000 > rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'LSI Logic (Was: Symbios Logic, NCR)' > class = mass storage > subclass = SAS > > > I've tried to add the cardID to the mfi(4) and mpt(4) drivers, but the > most I could get, is a failed initalization. > > If any devs supposed to add properly the device to any of the drivers, > I should be able to arrange access to this device for the time of the > development. > > Please be so kind to reply to any known developers of these drivers, if > they might not read these mailing lists, in order to get a working > driver for this card (been seen google hits on many missing the support > for this driver). > > Drivers for linux and solars are availabe on LSI.com, but not for fbsd. > > Thank you very much in advance. Did you try the mps(4) driver from HEAD? -- John Baldwin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 18:13:55 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 562BA1065670 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:13:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forward2.mail.yandex.net (forward2.mail.yandex.net [77.88.46.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28378FC15 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:13:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp1.mail.yandex.net (smtp1.mail.yandex.net [77.88.46.101]) by forward2.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id F40A238A8B60; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 21:13:52 +0300 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1289844833; bh=11pfTCd/3qiOCGnMjp/Qj/yNCkFZRiybv78GuByPGoI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To: References:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YJQcdDBsn2HlpYGF9tzKWleF4P8o3YjnNdbVx0oDbiyFWA0SXHPiHkhEDfKQoxL/1 ly2us8bTNZfqNuUCrZRkioipZJV9WO2CwCISFXXOgLPxyOHaN+eWvsR859+KTCcd5J KQW/lRJjk8K4reCYGhEpi1uY6oULKzKRcILE3xJ4= Received: from kes.in (unknown [77.93.42.18]) by smtp1.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTPA id 87F00290060; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 21:13:52 +0300 (MSK) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:13:56 +0200 From: =?utf-8?B?0JrQvtC90YzQutC+0LIg0JXQstCz0LXQvdC40Lk=?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KfQnyDQmtC+0L3RjNC60L7QsiwgRnJlZUxpbmU=?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1864126465.20101115201356@yandex.ru> To: "Grant Peel" In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IPFW at startup. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?utf-8?B?0JrQvtC90YzQutC+0LIg0JXQstCz0LXQvdC40Lk=?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:13:55 -0000 , Grant. 15 2010 ., 0:50:47: GP> Hi all, GP> I seem to have one server that does not flush the /etc/rc.firewall rules GP> when the script taken from "firewall_type" starts up. That is to say when I GP> boot the machine, 3 rules seem to be still in the list when I do an ipfw -a GP> list. Those three rules appear to be from the /etc.rc.firewall script. The GP> rules from my /etc/ipfw.rules file DO get loaded. GP> Here are the three rules (100, 200, and 300), from /etc/rc.firewall. GP> setup_loopback () { GP> ############ GP> # Only in rare cases do you want to change these rules GP> # GP> ${fwcmd} add 100 pass all from any to any via lo0 GP> ${fwcmd} add 200 deny all from any to 127.0.0.0/8 GP> ${fwcmd} add 300 deny ip from 127.0.0.0/8 to any GP> Here is my /etc/rc,conf setup: GP> firewall_enable="YES" GP> firewall_logging="YES" GP> firewall_type="/etc/ipfw.rules" you need "firewall_script" variable GP> Here is my /etc/ipfw.rules: GP> enterprise# more /etc/ipfw.rules GP> # Loopback GP> add 00001 allow ip from any to any via lo0 GP> # Office and Home GP> add 00200 allow ip from xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx to any GP> add 00201 allow ip from any to xxx xxx xxx xxx GP> add 00202 allow all from xxx xxx xxx xxx to any GP> add 00203 allow all from any to xxx xxx xxx xxx GP> # Allow fxp0 out GP> add 00204 allow all from any to any out GP> # Allow local net GP> add 02000 allow ip from any to any via fxp1 GP> # email GP> add 04000 allow all from xxx xxx xxx xxx to any GP> add 04010 allow all from any to xxx xxx xxx xxx GP> add 04020 allow all from xxx xxx xxx xxx to any GP> add 04030 allow all from any to xxx xxx xxx xxx GP> add 04040 allow tcp from any to any 25,587 GP> add 04050 allow tcp from any 25,587 to any GP> # Bruteblock GP> add 08000 deny ip from table(1) to me GP> add 08001 deny ip from me to table(1) GP> add 09050 allow udp from any to any 53 in GP> # Email Test GP> add 09100 allow icmp from any to any icmptypes GP> 0,3,4,5,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18 GP> add 65535 deny ip from any to any GP> Oddly enough, I have several machies that are setup identicly and this is GP> the only one that has stikky rules from /etc/rc.firewall. GP> Any one have any idea what knob might have been turned that causes the GP> sticky startup rules? GP> -Grant GP> _______________________________________________ GP> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list GP> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions GP> To unsubscribe, send any mail to GP> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- , mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 18:48:33 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 218AE106566B; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:48:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gergely.czuczy@harmless.hu) Received: from marvin.harmless.hu (marvin.harmless.hu [195.56.55.204]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D824D8FC18; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:48:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gw.mediatech.hu ([217.150.130.177] helo=unknown) by marvin.harmless.hu with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1PI46R-0009oL-RX; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:48:31 +0100 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:48:11 +0100 From: Gergely CZUCZY To: John Baldwin Message-ID: <20101115194811.00002747@unknown> In-Reply-To: <201011151306.10725.jhb@freebsd.org> References: <20101115180335.00004610@unknown> <201011151306.10725.jhb@freebsd.org> Organization: Harmless Digital Bt X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.4cvs1 (GTK+ 2.16.0; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LSI 9211 driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:48:33 -0000 Hello, On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:06:10 -0500 John Baldwin wrote: > On Monday, November 15, 2010 12:03:35 pm Gergely CZUCZY wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I'd like to ask when can we expect a driver for the LSI 9211 > > hardware? That is, the following device: > > none13@pci0:4:0:0: class=0x010700 card=0x30501000 > > chip=0x00721000 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'LSI Logic (Was: > > Symbios Logic, NCR)' class = mass storage > > subclass = SAS > > > > > > I've tried to add the cardID to the mfi(4) and mpt(4) drivers, but > > the most I could get, is a failed initalization. > > > > If any devs supposed to add properly the device to any of the > > drivers, I should be able to arrange access to this device for the > > time of the development. > > > > Please be so kind to reply to any known developers of these > > drivers, if they might not read these mailing lists, in order to > > get a working driver for this card (been seen google hits on many > > missing the support for this driver). > > > > Drivers for linux and solars are availabe on LSI.com, but not for > > fbsd. > > > > Thank you very much in advance. > > Did you try the mps(4) driver from HEAD? Not yet. Can I MFC it without issues (like copying it), or does it need something special? > -- Sincerely, Gergely CZUCZY Harmless Digital Bt +36-30-9702963 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 18:51:51 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 419771065696 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:51:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB2568FC29 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:51:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PI49d-0002oS-Hl for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:51:49 +0100 Received: from pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.85.36]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:51:49 +0100 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:51:49 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:53:12 -0500 Lines: 53 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net Subject: Re: About FreeBSD kernel newbies X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:51:51 -0000 Fernando Apesteguía wrote: > Hi all, > > I was wondering if anyone has considered the creation of a kernel > newbies mail list for FreeBSD. > I am aware of two places where someone can ask questions about that: > either freebsd-hackers@ or the "FreeBSD Development" forum > at http://forums.freebsd.org. > > I've been following the Linux kernel newbies list for a while and I > think it is very informative. > > Would it be good to have such a list? > Can't say for sure myself, but certain points do spring to mind - mainly based upon the fact than 'BSD's are not Linux. The main difference that would apply is the separation in the Linux world between kernel development and userland. Some work on the kernel while others package distros, adding a userland to what kernel developers produce. FreeBSD is not Linux in that it is a complete operating system, kernel and userland are developed together and distributed as a complete unit. Since there is no separation between kernel and userland development maybe an alternate proposal might be for people coming to FreeBSD from the Linux world to endeavor to learn and adjust to what has worked for the community well for many years now. In other words, leave the Linuxisms in Linux land and learn the FreeBSD-isms. The FreeBSD community does try and function as a meritocracy for a lofty goal. It may not be perfect, but it also does try and be open and look at new ideas when they come around. Things not immediately dismissed out of hand will be debated from the bottom up, and if by the time it percolates upwards to the top it has survived many a thrashing it may just be committed. So, no harm in proposing new ideas. Just keep in mind that many times such proposals have a limited lifetime and have actually been proposed before. The community may have bandied the idea about and decided not to pursue it. Then it is quickly forgotten until the next cycle comes around with some newcomer proposing the same thing again. It happens. Witness the "Why Do You Have a Devil for a Mascot" meme that continues to resurface periodically year after year. We got tired of that many years ago, but it just will not go away... :-) So if the larger community and it's reasoned approach decides a proposal has merit for whatever number of supporting arguments, and idea might just take flight. Whatever I, as one individual, may think about any one idea/proposal it is the larger community in general that will decide. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 18:53:02 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F84E1065695 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:53:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Dave.Robison@fisglobal.com) Received: from mailoutltc.fnis.com (mailoutltc.fnis.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A4798FC17 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:53:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SBHFISLREXT03 ([10.132.254.62]) by SCSFISLTC01 (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id oAFIqf4G014652 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:52:41 -0600 Received: from sbhfisltcgw01.FNFIS.COM (Not Verified[10.132.248.121]) by SBHFISLREXT03 with MailMarshal (v6, 5, 4, 7535) id ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:52:53 -0600 Received: from sbhfisltcgw01.FNFIS.COM ([10.132.248.121]) by sbhfisltcgw01.FNFIS.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:52:41 -0600 Received: from lefty.vicor.com ([10.132.254.136]) by sbhfisltcgw01.FNFIS.COM over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:52:40 -0600 Message-ID: <4CE18179.5040706@vicor.com> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 10:52:41 -0800 From: Dave Robison User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101104 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2010 18:52:40.0668 (UTC) FILETIME=[478179C0:01CB84F6] Subject: Re: IPFW at startup. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:53:02 -0000 I haven't seen someone use "firewall_type" as a path to the config file. If you check the default rc.firewall file, you will see several types of default firewall settings, such as "open" and "closed". You want to set "firewall_type" in rc.conf to be "open" or whatever your firewall type is in /etc/rc.firewall. You can probably get away with editing your existing rc.firewall to include a firewall type, such as "custom", then defining firewall_type as "custom" in /etc/rc.conf. Enjoy, On 11/14/10 14:50, Grant Peel wrote: > Hi all, > > I seem to have one server that does not flush the /etc/rc.firewall > rules when the script taken from "firewall_type" starts up. That is > to say when I boot the machine, 3 rules seem to be still in the list > when I do an ipfw -a list. Those three rules appear to be from the > /etc.rc.firewall script. The rules from my /etc/ipfw.rules file DO get > loaded. > > Here are the three rules (100, 200, and 300), from /etc/rc.firewall. > > setup_loopback () { > ############ > # Only in rare cases do you want to change these rules > # > ${fwcmd} add 100 pass all from any to any via lo0 > ${fwcmd} add 200 deny all from any to 127.0.0.0/8 > ${fwcmd} add 300 deny ip from 127.0.0.0/8 to any > > Here is my /etc/rc,conf setup: > > firewall_enable="YES" > firewall_logging="YES" > firewall_type="/etc/ipfw.rules" > > Here is my /etc/ipfw.rules: > > enterprise# more /etc/ipfw.rules > # Loopback > add 00001 allow ip from any to any via lo0 > # Office and Home > add 00200 allow ip from xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx to any > add 00201 allow ip from any to xxx xxx xxx xxx > add 00202 allow all from xxx xxx xxx xxx to any > add 00203 allow all from any to xxx xxx xxx xxx > # Allow fxp0 out > add 00204 allow all from any to any out > # Allow local net > add 02000 allow ip from any to any via fxp1 > # email > add 04000 allow all from xxx xxx xxx xxx to any > add 04010 allow all from any to xxx xxx xxx xxx > add 04020 allow all from xxx xxx xxx xxx to any > add 04030 allow all from any to xxx xxx xxx xxx > add 04040 allow tcp from any to any 25,587 > add 04050 allow tcp from any 25,587 to any > # Bruteblock > add 08000 deny ip from table(1) to me > add 08001 deny ip from me to table(1) > add 09050 allow udp from any to any 53 in > # Email Test > add 09100 allow icmp from any to any icmptypes > 0,3,4,5,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18 > add 65535 deny ip from any to any > > Oddly enough, I have several machies that are setup identicly and this > is the only one that has stikky rules from /etc/rc.firewall. > > Any one have any idea what knob might have been turned that causes the > sticky startup rules? > > -Grant > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Dave Robison Sales Solution Architect II FIS Banking Solutions 510/621-2089 (w) 530/518-5194 (c) 510/621-2020 (f) daver@vicor.com This message contains confidential and proprietary information of the sender, and is intended only for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. 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Thank you. _____________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 19:01:30 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E491B1065670; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:01:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 897288FC19; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:01:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAFImuUV080698; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:48:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Scott Long In-Reply-To: <20101115180335.00004610@unknown> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:48:56 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5C78AD92-2AE5-48CC-BE38-D94B44FF335A@samsco.org> References: <20101115180335.00004610@unknown> To: Gergely CZUCZY (by way of Gergely CZUCZY ) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-50.0 required=3.8 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on pooker.samsco.org Cc: freebsd-drivers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LSI 9211 driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:01:31 -0000 A driver called "mps" exists in FreeBSD 9-CURRENT. We're working to = move it to FreeBSD 8 in time for the 8.2 release. Scott On Nov 15, 2010, at 10:03 AM, Gergely CZUCZY (by way of Gergely CZUCZY = ) wrote: > Hello, >=20 > I'd like to ask when can we expect a driver for the LSI 9211 hardware? > That is, the following device: > none13@pci0:4:0:0: class=3D0x010700 card=3D0x30501000 = chip=3D0x00721000 > rev=3D0x02 hdr=3D0x00 vendor =3D 'LSI Logic (Was: Symbios Logic, = NCR)' > class =3D mass storage > subclass =3D SAS >=20 >=20 > I've tried to add the cardID to the mfi(4) and mpt(4) drivers, but the > most I could get, is a failed initalization. >=20 > If any devs supposed to add properly the device to any of the drivers, > I should be able to arrange access to this device for the time of the > development. >=20 > Please be so kind to reply to any known developers of these drivers, = if > they might not read these mailing lists, in order to get a working > driver for this card (been seen google hits on many missing the = support > for this driver). >=20 > Drivers for linux and solars are availabe on LSI.com, but not for = fbsd. >=20 > Thank you very much in advance. >=20 > Best regards, > Gergely >=20 > --=20 > Sincerely, > Gergely CZUCZY > Harmless Digital Bt >=20 > +36-30-9702963 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 19:03:37 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2109106566B for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:03:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout027.mac.com (asmtpout027.mac.com [17.148.16.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D929A8FC0C for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:03:37 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp027.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-18.01 64bit (built Jul 15 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LBX00KYLWXZO640@asmtp027.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:03:36 -0800 (PST) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-11-15_09:2010-11-15, 2010-11-15, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1011150169 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <4CE18179.5040706@vicor.com> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:03:35 -0800 Message-id: <1BC2A5B3-529A-41B1-B3A8-E0A046012002@mac.com> References: <4CE18179.5040706@vicor.com> To: Dave Robison X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IPFW at startup. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:03:38 -0000 Hi-- On Nov 15, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Dave Robison wrote: > I haven't seen someone use "firewall_type" as a path to the config file. If you check the default rc.firewall file, you will see several types of default firewall settings, such as "open" and "closed". You want to set "firewall_type" in rc.conf to be "open" or whatever your firewall type is in /etc/rc.firewall. If you set both of these in /etc/rc.conf: firewall_type="/etc/FW1.ipfw" firewall_flags="-p cpp" ...then /etc/FW1_firewall will be processed by cpp (ie, so you can use #include directives, C-style macros, etc) before going to IPFW. This is probably more obscure than useful for human-editted rulesets :-), but for automated processing and accumulating lists of bad hosts via denyhosts or similar, it can be useful.... Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 19:10:33 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F042F106566C; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:10:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gergely.czuczy@harmless.hu) Received: from marvin.harmless.hu (marvin.harmless.hu [195.56.55.204]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEAC68FC17; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:10:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gw.mediatech.hu ([217.150.130.177] helo=unknown) by marvin.harmless.hu with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1PI4Rk-000A0m-FF; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:10:32 +0100 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:10:11 +0100 From: Gergely CZUCZY To: Scott Long Message-ID: <20101115201011.00003cc9@unknown> In-Reply-To: <5C78AD92-2AE5-48CC-BE38-D94B44FF335A@samsco.org> References: <20101115180335.00004610@unknown> <5C78AD92-2AE5-48CC-BE38-D94B44FF335A@samsco.org> Organization: Harmless Digital Bt X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.4cvs1 (GTK+ 2.16.0; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-drivers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, John Baldwin , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LSI 9211 driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:10:34 -0000 Dear Scott and John, Thank you very much for your quick and helpful reply. mps(4) does seem to recognize the card, and the disks showed up properly, so far. Currently i'm loading it from loader.conf, and putting it inside the kernel config doesn't work, though i think i just have to insert that somewhere. I'll test the drivers a bit more when the remaining 6 disks arrive. Thank you very much again. Best regards, Gergely On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:48:56 -0700 Scott Long wrote: > A driver called "mps" exists in FreeBSD 9-CURRENT. We're working to > move it to FreeBSD 8 in time for the 8.2 release. > > Scott > > On Nov 15, 2010, at 10:03 AM, Gergely CZUCZY (by way of Gergely > CZUCZY ) wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I'd like to ask when can we expect a driver for the LSI 9211 > > hardware? That is, the following device: > > none13@pci0:4:0:0: class=0x010700 card=0x30501000 > > chip=0x00721000 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'LSI Logic (Was: > > Symbios Logic, NCR)' class = mass storage > > subclass = SAS > > > > > > I've tried to add the cardID to the mfi(4) and mpt(4) drivers, but > > the most I could get, is a failed initalization. > > > > If any devs supposed to add properly the device to any of the > > drivers, I should be able to arrange access to this device for the > > time of the development. > > > > Please be so kind to reply to any known developers of these > > drivers, if they might not read these mailing lists, in order to > > get a working driver for this card (been seen google hits on many > > missing the support for this driver). > > > > Drivers for linux and solars are availabe on LSI.com, but not for > > fbsd. > > > > Thank you very much in advance. > > > > Best regards, > > Gergely > > > > -- > > Sincerely, > > Gergely CZUCZY > > Harmless Digital Bt > > > > +36-30-9702963 > -- Sincerely, Gergely CZUCZY Harmless Digital Bt +36-30-9702963 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 19:14:02 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3336106564A for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:14:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kensmith@buffalo.edu) Received: from localmailB.acsu.buffalo.edu (localmail.buffalo.edu [128.205.5.200]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 241B28FC0A for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:14:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localmailB.acsu.buffalo.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id AF60C292; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:06:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localmailB.acsu.buffalo.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localmailB.acsu.buffalo.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F1A960; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:06:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mweb2.acsu.buffalo.edu (mweb2.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.5.239]) by localmailB.acsu.buffalo.edu (Prefixe) with ESMTP id 3A3F6220; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:06:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.205.32.76] (bauer.cse.buffalo.edu [128.205.32.76]) by mweb2.acsu.buffalo.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2682F207B9; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:06:33 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Smith To: "Simon L. B. Nielsen" In-Reply-To: References: <4CC81EE7.4020607@teambox.fr> <1289492183.40288.37.camel@bauer.cse.buffalo.edu> <4CDCFF30.60307@teambox.fr> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-3geNQNhpH/VMQZEL1YyV" Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:06:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1289847992.54922.28.camel@bauer.cse.buffalo.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-PM-EL-Spam-Prob: : 8% Cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org, Patrick Bihan-Faou , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sorry state of the rsync based CVS,replication X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:14:02 -0000 --=-3geNQNhpH/VMQZEL1YyV Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 2010-11-14 at 12:13 +0100, Simon L. B. Nielsen wrote: > There is nothing which prevents mirror sites from providing access to > the CVS repo via rsync, even if they get it via CVSup... I went ahead with adding this to ftp2.freebsd.org: % rsync ftp2.freebsd.org::FreeBSD-CVS/ drwxr-xr-x 512 2010/08/02 13:35:40 . drwxr-xr-x 512 2010/08/02 22:09:36 gnats drwxr-xr-x 512 2010/08/03 02:34:06 mail drwxr-xr-x 512 2010/08/02 21:50:04 ncvs drwxr-xr-x 512 2010/08/03 00:51:26 www % =20 --=20 Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodor Geisel | --=-3geNQNhpH/VMQZEL1YyV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAkzhhKwACgkQ/G14VSmup/ZCjACfV03Zpc8r4uoEY7pny1ikTd3m oV8Ani6z+YNV9OP6WEm4RR2dE1O2k9Si =zk9q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-3geNQNhpH/VMQZEL1YyV-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 19:21:36 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A74E91065694 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:21:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from tensor.gdynia.pl (tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317B98FC16 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:21:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAFJLMmi078442; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:21:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oAFJLMcq078439; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:21:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:21:22 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chip Camden In-Reply-To: <20101115162154.GD95782@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Message-ID: References: <20101113193632.4EFEA10656CD@hub.freebsd.org> <20101114120609.C39988@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <20101114133941.N39988@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <20101115061419.364aa529@scorpio> <20101115162154.GD95782@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: JMicron JMB363 PCIe controler doesn't work X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:21:36 -0000 > > I propose that we spend our energies working on something that FreeBSD > users would give a damn about, like enabling GEM support so the latest > Intel drivers can be ported to support Ironlake graphics. > and fixing remaining problems with network after big change of routing/ipfw in 8.* most are fixed but still some happen. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 19:24:04 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 822C31065672 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:24:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from tensor.gdynia.pl (tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC2618FC15 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:24:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAFJO1Mr078622; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:24:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oAFJO1xl078619; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:24:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:24:01 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Rob In-Reply-To: <4CE145C5.8040602@midsummerdream.org> Message-ID: References: <4CE145C5.8040602@midsummerdream.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS and 4k sector drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:24:04 -0000 > work with ZFS raidz2 pools. It seems that most of the 4k sector drives are > using emulation, and reporting 512 byte sectors to the OS instead of their > native 4k size. I know someone who had an issue trying to insert one of > these drives into a running ZFS pool with other 512 byte sector drives with > bad results. ZFS use 4k blocks. assuming it actually is like that and your zfs devices are whole devices or aligned partition, there should be no difference. use camcontrol identify to check what your drive do [root@somewhere ~]# camcontrol identify ada0 pass0: ATA-8 SATA 2.x device pass0: 300.000MB/s transfers (SATA 2.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes) protocol ATA/ATAPI-8 SATA 2.x device model SAMSUNG HD321KJ firmware revision CP100-10 serial number S0MQJDQP610759 WWN 5000f00db61759 cylinders 16383 heads 16 sectors/track 63 sector size logical 512, physical 512, offset 0 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ LBA supported 268435455 sectors LBA48 supported 625142448 sectors PIO supported PIO4 DMA supported WDMA2 UDMA6 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 19:31:29 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D85106566B for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:31:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from tensor.gdynia.pl (tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AE2C8FC21 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:31:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAFJVOZm079114; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:31:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oAFJVODW079111; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:31:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:31:24 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Charlie Kester In-Reply-To: <20101115111943.GB58476@comcast.net> Message-ID: References: <20101113193632.4EFEA10656CD@hub.freebsd.org> <20101114120609.C39988@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <20101114133941.N39988@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <20101115111943.GB58476@comcast.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: JMicron JMB363 PCIe controler doesn't work X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:31:29 -0000 >> > > I notice that you never got an answer to your question about that PCIe > controller. I wish I had an answer for you, and that people finding now i don't expect it. seems the problem is that FreeBSD can't by itself set SATA controller mode. i can't find such option. This crappy controllers have builtin bios that don't allow selecting AHCI mode. and non-AHCI mode seems like not working at all. AHCI mode works, as i have same chip on motherboard but properly set, and works. the real answer is "write such support" or "buy other controller". i did second as i needed it quickly, siis driver works fine. > your question in the list archives won't have to wade through so many > useless replies only to come up empty. I think we owe both you and them > an apology. i didn't use this forum for a long time after seeing it's filled with people that usually have no idea about what unix is, but truly believe they have. but i though something changed. Yes it changed - to even worse. I really don't understand why FreeBSD owners keep that list active at all. > Wojciech's specific technical question. If you can't resist the urge to > discuss list moderation or anything else that's been spuriously i already said about moderation long time ago. Actually i told to do it when MY posts was considered wrong. Of course moderation requires clear rules what is ok and what not. This way anyone may conform to that rules or go away. Now we have democracy. Democracy always fail, first on any internet discussion forums ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 19:33:10 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84367106566C for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:33:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from tensor.gdynia.pl (tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BB0B8FC2A for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:33:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAFJX7nk079198; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:33:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oAFJX7WM079195; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:33:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:33:07 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: krad In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Modulok Subject: Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:33:10 -0000 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > > please elaborate look at archives. i really don't want to repeat the same many times. And anyone that actually have clue about what is computer, disk drive, reliability and algorithms and can think - after reading how ZFS is designed will understand that. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 19:38:10 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C55106566C for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:38:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7AF68FC15 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:38:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so5461900bwz.13 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:38:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc :content-type; bh=9cyPY6Q36EYeUptw+4+5e1aa+ViujahGB6DsiAbSGI0=; b=WqxAdvlpMFbZ5dl7BMz1F5m7krjhhh3NimfolLbaAHYmjPLvywy82Do/gt2XG+SJ+F 2PWbRcPeuDmuZN11B2Mj4pMD+MA7KVoMg6DhJs1LtwdgAzVHs3/2ZKmjTlOj5mgVVrZz b/halHw3fkZLxv8XNS5XXQgzANw3fR+0ev910= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; b=ZeXzzRfPHNZnzzvwwcgYdRO7u/Ysbh5nXf6jrMlDCUg7KbDRQcGLjCGAT5eNPmJdqu VNkksdcbhjJ0L0xeIoHJqaqcXqrMWkhnp/Gcq7vgdRAtJXeR1kWNtwv0ODsY0kim+k8E /XtDfYzStKnqZlbc/7jzt8AFYuYxxb3pPyoUQ= Received: by 10.204.72.6 with SMTP id k6mr6482729bkj.58.1289849888638; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:38:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.52.19 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:37:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Chris Rees Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:37:34 +0000 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Modulok , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, krad Subject: Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:38:10 -0000 On 15 November 2010 19:33, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >>> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> >> >> please elaborate > > look at archives. i really don't want to repeat the same many times. > And anyone that actually have clue about what is computer, disk drive, > reliability and algorithms and can think - after reading how ZFS is designed > will understand that. When did you ever 'repeat' that in the first place? Can you provide a link, I don't recall seeing anyone say that ZFS is a toy. Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 19:42:24 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E5E106567A for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:42:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C088FC0A for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:42:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywa8 with SMTP id 8so2797667ywa.13 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:42:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc :content-type; bh=GcoHGYikXK1BrVvVcZ4Qm5J7hxQWiNlfPWm80Vu82wk=; b=uamiotFZiGmDgx1AImzn5BmyzJhkjhMp4E6FRlS9vaqTTuy1jorEG9IynhKltivYHe W66KBliAHxmBL9YCir/8dKtl2cEJeLyfC4z5OokGahUmsUtKUqBu8TaFbJ6RAPHC0cHL 9aFaCoMcLCypUIt7q0yvBiKYXhOjyX8Fmwu+A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; b=rFT1iNoaSpbjSzDIjwqkpgreT03Od4zZD1/kiCkTHzsv26UnQRRSkNRokHH+6EMlfT 69smXQ3WM6mYlVQZ1+jmz06HIcljcuuS+WSwbX/WiBp3fWP4h05g2eSHDoFsh5ry7fZa wab57HCm3fb2Pbz0k6vxlmAiRNc4osMd8hJPM= Received: by 10.204.129.210 with SMTP id p18mr6471353bks.85.1289850142492; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:42:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.52.19 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:41:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Chris Rees Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:41:52 +0000 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Arthur Bela , FreeBSD Mailing list Subject: Re: how to generate pi in c X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:42:24 -0000 On 11 November 2010 12:06, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> Does anyone has a "generate-pi.c" source code? > > atanl(1) Er, arc tan of 1 is pi/4. Try atanl(1)*4, or for a less wasteful instruction try using the constant M_PI Also, forgive me if I'm wrong, but this looks like a homework question. Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 19:44:38 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B7C1065674 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:44:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: from amavis-smtp.knology.net (amavis-smtp.knology.net [75.76.199.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F36E98FC1A for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:44:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (amavis-smtp [127.0.0.1]) by amavis-smtp.knology.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC77BCF801C; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:24:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp12.knology.net ([75.76.199.9]) by localhost (amavis-smtp.knology.net [75.76.199.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 7Bv6V099dM2J; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:24:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from Grumpy.DynDNS.org (unknown [24.42.224.110]) by smtp12.knology.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3D015200041; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:23:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by Grumpy.DynDNS.org (Postfix, from userid 928) id D2D3328435; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:24:22 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:24:22 -0600 From: David Kelly To: Dave Robison Message-ID: <20101115192422.GA68274@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <4CE18179.5040706@vicor.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4CE18179.5040706@vicor.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IPFW at startup. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:44:38 -0000 On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 10:52:41AM -0800, Dave Robison wrote: > I haven't seen someone use "firewall_type" as a path to the config > file. If you check the default rc.firewall file, you will see several > types of default firewall settings, such as "open" and "closed". You > want to set "firewall_type" in rc.conf to be "open" or whatever your > firewall type is in /etc/rc.firewall. What he needs to do is use firewall_script="/etc/ipfw.rules" rather than firewall_type= -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 20:06:48 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 071C8106564A for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:06:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 833D98FC15 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:06:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so5488733bwz.13 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:06:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc :content-type; bh=MULveVn3pnk9TJ6y7elARQevyugCX4ixnI68+ElMI7Q=; b=JF9kXJM8asgkAMjyCrUj35gLHLkc2KU0aQau6FFBF5s5rucRcMljE10Ii7Nr3FIHG+ 2sgCKojAOmZxp5yxtCPiZAX0X51EOC/7oCjDjbLks39l7SUpEKOWvx9TqKah3e7/5hbb l2tXmyzB6Wqx5CdZlZ6AmhiJwHaVZL/lk0j60= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; b=iqshPG8M5svkrEyeUbux28cQodEik9kVRXqM3zQvgwcj32IL89v9D6kcBzg+Swty+H HiYf2y2FaTK8aqsub26N457Osd/1M2PW3nPxugAsZInNxdY1vOyZrv50Kutrnu4YPg+n NWwht33habAaLdBkPwR5ivkm98t0hAvL0k+GE= Received: by 10.204.129.210 with SMTP id p18mr6498504bks.85.1289851606243; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:06:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.52.19 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:06:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <84607C0F-183F-455A-B37A-B08030C01A9D@boosten.org> References: <84607C0F-183F-455A-B37A-B08030C01A9D@boosten.org> From: Chris Rees Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:06:16 +0000 Message-ID: To: Peter Boosten Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Wojciech Puchar , krad , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Modulok Subject: Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:06:48 -0000 On 15 November 2010 19:59, Peter Boosten wrote: > He's consistent in any case (a quick google search reveals this 2008 > message): > http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-questions@freebsd.org/msg192926.html Consistent, but still just spouting uninformed FUD. Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 20:11:04 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD4C106566C for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:11:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dteske@vicor.com) Received: from postoffice.vicor.com (postoffice.vicor.com [69.26.56.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B348FC12 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:11:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [208.206.78.30] (port=58954 helo=dt.vicor.com) by postoffice.vicor.com with esmtpsa (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PI5OC-0006oY-F9; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:11:03 -0800 From: Devin Teske To: Wojciech Puchar In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Vicor, Inc Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:10:56 -0800 Message-Id: <1289851856.14522.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.2 (2.0.2-41.el4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scan-Signature: 656da577335a568d3fb039db5c98a78c X-Scan-Host: postoffice.vicor.com Cc: Modulok , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, krad Subject: Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:11:04 -0000 On Mon, 2010-11-15 at 20:33 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > > > > > > please elaborate > look at archives. i really don't want to repeat the same many times. > And anyone that actually have clue about what is computer, disk drive, > reliability and algorithms and can think - after reading how ZFS is > designed will understand that. > Sounds like FUD. Like the OP, I too am interested in the current state of ZFS. We've been following the threads as far as build 28, and I do indeed see positive improvement and continued development. However, is anyone that is actively involved in the project able to provide a snapshot opinion of the production readiness of ZFS for enterprise deployment? If the opinion is that ZFS is not ready for production, are there any technical explanations as to the efficacy or lack thereof rather than the above philosophical FUD which implores the OP to pour over massive archives (which can paint an inverse picture because the archives are usually filled with a higher number of issues than success stories -- which is true of nearly ANY mailing-list)? -- Cheers, Devin Teske -> CONTACT INFORMATION <- Business Solutions Consultant II FIS - fisglobal.com 510-735-5650 Mobile 510-621-2038 Office 510-621-2020 Office Fax 909-477-4578 Home/Fax devin.teske@fisglobal.com -> LEGAL DISCLAIMER <- This message contains confidential and proprietary information of the sender, and is intended only for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by any other person is strictly prohibited. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:14:58 -0000 On 15 November 2010 20:10, Devin Teske wrote: > On Mon, 2010-11-15 at 20:33 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> >> > >> > >> > please elaborate >> look at archives. i really don't want to repeat the same many times. >> And anyone that actually have clue about what is computer, disk drive, >> reliability and algorithms and can think - after reading how ZFS is >> designed will understand that. >> > > Sounds like FUD. > > Like the OP, I too am interested in the current state of ZFS. We've been > following the threads as far as build 28, and I do indeed see positive > improvement and continued development. However, is anyone that is > actively involved in the project able to provide a snapshot opinion of > the production readiness of ZFS for enterprise deployment? > > If the opinion is that ZFS is not ready for production, are there any > technical explanations as to the efficacy or lack thereof rather than > the above philosophical FUD which implores the OP to pour over massive > archives (which can paint an inverse picture because the archives are > usually filled with a higher number of issues than success stories -- > which is true of nearly ANY mailing-list)? > -- > Cheers, > Devin Teske I'm afraid that we can rely on Wojciech to constantly recommend that you go back to using technology from 20 years ago, because keeping up with anything current scares him, and he can't be bothered to research anything properly, instead making sweeping statements about things he knows little about. Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 20:16:22 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26BCB10656B3 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:16:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A23FD8FC1A for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:16:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyb7 with SMTP id 7so3222841eyb.13 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:16:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=SXWnBlALTmasC1QY5fp+qdH2uI2lmnTf7tE2Z3PEQDs=; b=ZvXfIlmphtXWwW8TpBoZnZP97pPSUAcNPuffvntvEH7KnAq7VwQMqwyVQS6yry7Apg ZmiodXpDwLMepoZVTdvhA5Ij9dtixd0eMjpO9XARmkNGHTjGyzhMayilyQXf13WJqMqK xOsHZRz11JAGEHJEozqTlaGoR2N0PuKbf+2QE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=MiDJWTctB1NlapE8hyINMThFsLYCaxfgRIq4XUAfglMkHy7THtW2RO3pDJBNSOI1op X/KWEx5uFfvVYHFkYDhI9N9pyzti8hDQ3wsEJl9Wghp6mieDX7pRfdVGA9bcWuLlgcfj 6L8/L+Lz8BFs+r8U9ZNlpgB5iFbK79ikK9+BI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.158.140 with SMTP id q12mr7207095wek.14.1289852180462; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:16:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.72.148 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:16:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <84607C0F-183F-455A-B37A-B08030C01A9D@boosten.org> References: <84607C0F-183F-455A-B37A-B08030C01A9D@boosten.org> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:16:20 +0000 Message-ID: From: krad To: Peter Boosten Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, utisoft@gmail.com, Modulok Subject: Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:16:22 -0000 On 15 November 2010 19:59, Peter Boosten wrote: > > On 15 nov 2010, at 20:37, Chris Rees wrote: > > On 15 November 2010 19:33, Wojciech Puchar > wrote: > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > please elaborate > > > look at archives. i really don't want to repeat the same many times. > > And anyone that actually have clue about what is computer, disk drive, > > reliability and algorithms and can think - after reading how ZFS is > designed > > will understand that. > > > When did you ever 'repeat' that in the first place? Can you provide a > link, I don't recall seeing anyone say that ZFS is a toy. > > > He's consistent in any case (a quick google search reveals this 2008 > message): > > http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-questions@freebsd.org/msg192926.html > > -- > Peter Boosten > http://www.boosten.org > > > > there may be some technical merits in his analysis. however I have been using zfs in production environments for a few years and know it scales very well. Admittedly its in a solaris environment not BSD, but then he is on about the algorithms not the CPU architecture etc. In my experience the performance is good on both intel and sparc enviroments. The more memory and CPU the better as it is resource hungry. But then again it is doing a lot more sophisticated stuff than plain old UFS. From an administration point of view its very easy to use (especially compared to solstice and vinum) and has a lot of cool features, that after a while you find yourself wondering how you managed without them. Having said all that, it remains on whether it will stay the course. I doubt it will be around as long as ufs, as something better will come along in the future I suspect (not convinced on btrfs yet), but one thing is for sure, its set a new benchmark for filesystems From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 20:25:51 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E418106566B for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:25:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forward11.mail.yandex.net (forward11.mail.yandex.net [95.108.130.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F35308FC19 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:25:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp11.mail.yandex.net (smtp11.mail.yandex.net [95.108.130.67]) by forward11.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 0CE913ED0A39 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 23:25:49 +0300 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1289852749; bh=+L2v7liWVfKpdUQlNHh0KsRKHelEEJjNanXoHaMGhRU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=AsIMDtg59oOzFt5/Xu9xtk8beTGDo6IBo2oCZ2gl5Od0nZN3fF0XxnngRPgZ63ma/ JtfZ5JATF5+idaiixVH6j5ZfccK8sqpZ25cIruXJ7qE77qTVDKWFMkJTyjn1oJEkiJ 38snjlja06ZRGeoX83f0mdL9asi90e5OobtkVEyU= Received: from kes.in (unknown [77.93.42.18]) by smtp11.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTPA id CA98A44D8087 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 23:25:48 +0300 (MSK) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 22:25:49 +0200 From: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: =?windows-1251?B?188gyu7t/Oru4iwgRnJlZUxpbmU=?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <438182719.20101115222549@yandex.ru> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: compile error CURRENT-9 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:25:51 -0000 Hello, Freebsd-questions. I have commented out 'device bce' but still have error: ld -d -warn-common -r -d -o if_ath.kld if_ath.o if_ath_pci.o ah_osdep.o ah= .o ah _regdomain.o ah_eeprom_v3.o ah_eeprom_v1.o ar5210_attach.o ar5210_= beacon.o ar521 0_interrupts.o ar5210_keycache.o ar5210_misc.o ar5210_phy= .o ar5210_power.o ar521 0_recv.o ar5210_reset.o ar5210_xmit.o ar5211_att= ach.o ar5211_beacon.o ar5211_int errupts.o ar5211_keycache.o ar5211_misc= .o ar5211_phy.o ar5211_power.o ar5211_rec v.o ar5211_reset.o ar5211_xmit= .o ar5212_ani.o ar5212_attach.o ar5212_beacon.o ar 5212_eeprom.o ar5212_= gpio.o ar5212_interrupts.o ar5212_keycache.o ar5212_misc.o ar5212_phy.o= ar5212_power.o ar5212_recv.o ar5212_reset.o ar5212_rfgain.o ar5212_ xmi= t.o ar5111.o ar5112.o ar2413.o ar2425.o ar5413.o ah_eeprom_v14.o ah_eeprom_= v4 k.o ar5416_ani.o ar5416_attach.o ar5416_beacon.o ar5416_cal.o ar5416_= cal_iq.o ar 5416_cal_adcgain.o ar5416_cal_adcdc.o ar5416_eeprom.o ar5416= _gpio.o ar5416_inter rupts.o ar5416_keycache.o ar5416_misc.o ar5416_phy.= o ar5416_power.o ar5416_recv. o ar5416_reset.o ar5416_xmit.o ar9160_atta= ch.o ar9280.o ar9280_attach.o ar2133.o ar9285.o ar9285_reset.o ar9285_a= ttach.o sample.o :> export_syms awk -f /usr/src/sys/conf/kmod_syms.awk if_ath.kld export_syms | xargs -J% = objco py % if_ath.kld ld -Bshareable -d -warn-common -o if_ath.ko.debug if_ath.kld objcopy --only-keep-debug if_ath.ko.debug if_ath.ko.symbols objcopy --strip-debug --add-gnu-debuglink=3Dif_ath.ko.symbols if_ath.ko.deb= ug if_a th.ko =3D=3D=3D> bce (all) cc -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -Werror -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -nostdinc = -DH AVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v= 9/opt_global.h -I. -I@ -I@/contrib/altq -finline-limit=3D8000 --param i= nline-unit-growth=3D100 --p aram large-function-growth=3D1000 -fno-commo= n -g -I/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v 9 -mno-align-long-strings -mpref= erred-stack-boundary=3D2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow -mno -sse -mno-sse2 -mno-ss= e3 -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -std=3Diso9899:1999 -fst ack-protect= or -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmi ss= ing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-s= ign -fformat-extensions -c /usr/src/sys/modules/bce/../../dev/bce/if_bc= e.c cc1: warnings being treated as errors /usr/src/sys/modules/bce/../../dev/bce/if_bce.c: In function 'bce_fill_rx_c= hain' : @/sys/mbuf.h:412: warning: 'zone' may be used uninitialized in this function @/sys/mbuf.h:412: note: 'zone' was declared here *** Error code 1 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 3 errors *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error what I have missed? --=20 =D1 =F3=E2=E0=E6=E5=ED=E8=E5=EC, =CA=EE=ED=FC=EA=EE=E2 mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 20:29:13 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E25C11065670 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:29:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq1.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq1.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.34.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E94D8FC0A for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:29:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.34.135] (helo=smtp4.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq1.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PI5D0-0005dQ-6z; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:59:22 +0100 Received: from 54193b12.cm-5-2a.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([84.25.59.18] helo=ra.egypt.nl) by smtp4.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PI5Cz-0007it-6J; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:59:21 +0100 Received: from mbp.egypt.nl (mbp.egypt.nl [192.168.13.33]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB5DB39856; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:59:20 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) From: Peter Boosten In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:59:20 +0100 Message-Id: <84607C0F-183F-455A-B37A-B08030C01A9D@boosten.org> References: To: utisoft@gmail.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1PI5Cz-0007it-6J X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: geen spam, SpamAssassin (niet cached, score=-2.599, vereist 5, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, SPF_PASS -0.00) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: peter@boosten.org X-Spam-Status: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Wojciech Puchar , krad , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Modulok Subject: Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:29:14 -0000 On 15 nov 2010, at 20:37, Chris Rees wrote: > On 15 November 2010 19:33, Wojciech Puchar = wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >>>> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> please elaborate >>=20 >> look at archives. i really don't want to repeat the same many times. >> And anyone that actually have clue about what is computer, disk = drive, >> reliability and algorithms and can think - after reading how ZFS is = designed >> will understand that. >=20 > When did you ever 'repeat' that in the first place? Can you provide a > link, I don't recall seeing anyone say that ZFS is a toy. He's consistent in any case (a quick google search reveals this 2008 = message):=20 http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-questions@freebsd.org/msg192926.html --=20 Peter Boosten http://www.boosten.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 20:33:09 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A6701065695 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:33:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12D7E8FC23 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:33:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyb7 with SMTP id 7so3237010eyb.13 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:33:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=G4+kwmCcCpI//gc9HHuXDSPDzOK6tieKC5pO0yyJY1I=; b=iavVAHEP6Hpe7Q/XDaianoit7FmF71fTh1tfRPnaIkEJzSw/otfSTu9fiBqyWuY8il e90N7fnDd63cu70zCw2fyrCcqFFJbYhtGOHdRpxV68evLgcwNaGJiZYXDVo7i+yVcSTX rZLJFwZJZC6LVmWED9R+A2tV5VA09eefoEUe4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=J0s1OXfAG4zWZQlLYT7CwlFoVCYJvDR7WQtwlRq+QLNLRhWz8oXISc/Tj4+PZjcOn+ SWWf5j5JBOxMrXlTDdUVbEaDGggfJLG9I/fzNJJVyKt1Lxx9Ucuzkm7r11d4WQRt/gaH L2XZ1k5o51wLeJ0M2gKLL1sqsHfx5++seOKq4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.45.199 with SMTP id p49mr3183588web.29.1289853187654; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:33:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.72.148 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:33:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1289851856.14522.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1289851856.14522.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:33:07 +0000 Message-ID: From: krad To: Devin Teske Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Modulok Subject: Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:33:09 -0000 On 15 November 2010 20:10, Devin Teske wrote: > On Mon, 2010-11-15 at 20:33 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > > >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > >> > > > > > > > > > please elaborate > > look at archives. i really don't want to repeat the same many times. > > And anyone that actually have clue about what is computer, disk drive, > > reliability and algorithms and can think - after reading how ZFS is > > designed will understand that. > > > > Sounds like FUD. > > Like the OP, I too am interested in the current state of ZFS. We've been > following the threads as far as build 28, and I do indeed see positive > improvement and continued development. However, is anyone that is > actively involved in the project able to provide a snapshot opinion of > the production readiness of ZFS for enterprise deployment? > > If the opinion is that ZFS is not ready for production, are there any > technical explanations as to the efficacy or lack thereof rather than > the above philosophical FUD which implores the OP to pour over massive > archives (which can paint an inverse picture because the archives are > usually filled with a higher number of issues than success stories -- > which is true of nearly ANY mailing-list)? > -- > Cheers, > Devin Teske > > -> CONTACT INFORMATION <- > Business Solutions Consultant II > FIS - fisglobal.com > 510-735-5650 Mobile > 510-621-2038 Office > 510-621-2020 Office Fax > 909-477-4578 Home/Fax > devin.teske@fisglobal.com > > -> LEGAL DISCLAIMER <- > This message contains confidential and proprietary information > of the sender, and is intended only for the person(s) to whom it > is addressed. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by any > other person is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > message in error, please notify the e-mail sender immediately, > and delete the original message without making a copy. > > -> FUN STUFF <- > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version 3.1 > GAT/CS d(+) s: a- C++(++++) UB++++$ P++(++++) L++(++++) !E--- W++ N? o? K- > w O > M+ V- PS+ PE Y+ PGP- t(+) 5? X+(++) R>++ tv(+) b+(++) DI+(++) D(+) G+>++ > e>+ h > r>++ y+ > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > http://www.geekcode.com/ > > -> END TRANSMISSION <- > > My gut feeling is no. I wouldn't put it on mission critical stuff yet. Its not that I have had any major bad experiences (x fingers) but im not aware of any major deployments of it in the wild. As a result I wouldnt feel safe being the 1st 8) What I would advise is to think carefully about what you actually need. If you dont really need zfs features, then fine go with ufs, as you can always migrate in the future. However if the features are useful to you and of enough of a benefit to justify I would advise going for a Solaris platform of some kind. If you are doing it on a budget, go for openindiana, but if you have a some budget, go for the safe option of solaris 10 u9. It all really depends on your particular circumstances. A few tips put the os on its own zpool and the data on its own. That way its fairly easy to migrate to another os in the future. go big on ram, the more the better go for more cores rather than core speed, as zfs will benefit a lot from more threads (it was designed to run on coolthread archs which have 128+ virt cpus). Also enable hyperthreading if on intel look at using ssd for l2arc if you need performance, or are using dedup From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 20:43:24 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E70E106564A for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:43:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forward11.mail.yandex.net (forward11.mail.yandex.net [95.108.130.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87328FC15 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:43:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp14.mail.yandex.net (smtp14.mail.yandex.net [95.108.131.192]) by forward11.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 7AAF43ED0B0D for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 23:43:22 +0300 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1289853802; bh=HsDeHwQOmZ2Ds2QWgDeLIAGPfHTVqOaPGhV7zjpMI2o=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To: References:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FRD8CGUHS11KosiOC5RqjtmrWh/8kq5S9mOkoRPRECNljezlv38iAHPEtEodHMNwl 3au7c4R0jZRlZLVnqqZZIpobfGzIfYy6gbvlS+DRRuUFuA2coRJCmK9kqixZhEvXP1 3YIFNOU8INtTgrQJi/GtZHn6YWz+8cCtyo4Rfq78= Received: from kes.in (unknown [77.93.42.18]) by smtp14.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTPA id 373AA19B80A3; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 23:43:22 +0300 (MSK) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 22:43:26 +0200 From: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: =?windows-1251?B?188gyu7t/Oru4iwgRnJlZUxpbmU=?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1978226697.20101115224326@yandex.ru> To: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= In-Reply-To: <438182719.20101115222549@yandex.ru> References: <438182719.20101115222549@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: compile error CURRENT-9 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:43:24 -0000 , . 15 2010 ., 22:25:49: > Hello, Freebsd-questions. > I have commented out 'device bce' but still have error: > ld -d -warn-common -r -d -o if_ath.kld if_ath.o if_ath_pci.o > ah_osdep.o ah.o ah _regdomain.o ah_eeprom_v3.o ah_eeprom_v1.o > ar5210_attach.o ar5210_beacon.o ar521 0_interrupts.o > ar5210_keycache.o ar5210_misc.o ar5210_phy.o ar5210_power.o ar521 > 0_recv.o ar5210_reset.o ar5210_xmit.o ar5211_attach.o > ar5211_beacon.o ar5211_int errupts.o ar5211_keycache.o > ar5211_misc.o ar5211_phy.o ar5211_power.o ar5211_rec v.o > ar5211_reset.o ar5211_xmit.o ar5212_ani.o ar5212_attach.o > ar5212_beacon.o ar 5212_eeprom.o ar5212_gpio.o > ar5212_interrupts.o ar5212_keycache.o ar5212_misc.o > ar5212_phy.o ar5212_power.o ar5212_recv.o ar5212_reset.o > ar5212_rfgain.o ar5212_ xmit.o ar5111.o ar5112.o ar2413.o > ar2425.o ar5413.o ah_eeprom_v14.o ah_eeprom_v4 k.o ar5416_ani.o > ar5416_attach.o ar5416_beacon.o ar5416_cal.o ar5416_cal_iq.o ar > 5416_cal_adcgain.o ar5416_cal_adcdc.o ar5416_eeprom.o > ar5416_gpio.o ar5416_inter rupts.o ar5416_keycache.o > ar5416_misc.o ar5416_phy.o ar5416_power.o ar5416_recv. o > ar5416_reset.o ar5416_xmit.o ar9160_attach.o ar9280.o > ar9280_attach.o ar2133.o ar9285.o ar9285_reset.o ar9285_attach.o sample.o :>> export_syms > awk -f /usr/src/sys/conf/kmod_syms.awk if_ath.kld export_syms | > xargs -J% objco py % if_ath.kld > ld -Bshareable -d -warn-common -o if_ath.ko.debug if_ath.kld > objcopy --only-keep-debug if_ath.ko.debug if_ath.ko.symbols > objcopy --strip-debug --add-gnu-debuglink=if_ath.ko.symbols if_ath.ko.debug if_a th.ko ===>> bce (all) > cc -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -Werror -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE > -nostdinc -DH AVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include > /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v9/opt_global.h -I. -I@ > -I@/contrib/altq -finline-limit=8000 --param > inline-unit-growth=100 --p aram large-function-growth=1000 > -fno-common -g -I/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v 9 > -mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -mno-mmx > -mno-3dnow -mno -sse -mno-sse2 -mno-sse3 -ffreestanding > -fstack-protector -std=iso9899:1999 -fst ack-protector -Wall > -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmi > ssing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef > -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -c > /usr/src/sys/modules/bce/../../dev/bce/if_bce.c > cc1: warnings being treated as errors > /usr/src/sys/modules/bce/../../dev/bce/if_bce.c: In function 'bce_fill_rx_chain' : > @/sys/mbuf.h:412: warning: 'zone' may be used uninitialized in this function > @/sys/mbuf.h:412: note: 'zone' was declared here > *** Error code 1 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 3 errors > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > what I have missed? with this options I have errors described above: options RESTARTABLE_PANICS How to force server to reboot when PAGE FAULT occour? -- , mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 20:43:54 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB0C81065675 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:43:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7761A8FC12 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:43:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm19 with SMTP id 19so4333780fxm.13 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:43:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ExUbTeRDW4vWdjSie1P6m+xqXThWNRFKEU8w1V8la2c=; b=KdugItDfmZrc2rYMrUUwdM2X8H4a3t4YxYlw05xSIT3cxocyet05dzar91VF6Ql+rP CKFvZ39DEDnYZ9yNAQSy/yqLV/3Is2N5I+HDZFcFmSTXCAObhut0cCQv3v6LuK4wuJ+w QJWM5ogghImmX7PQWSRPuy1+cgiVNKPLThJLQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=rssecOygoF5LeHVf6sILHEnXJMhExRsATUJyZWPE98XR3nW3hERqXZfmNxtqmCRDGS Y+vKEERmS78BUXw022FVPtaFwTL/C18Szcja5UesMw4GH29oNIwSN7OC5h3QjxqoIn5O crWJH4y5+gUbm+s1/GWRT1IYyC7XkIl9rpp2Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.97.73 with SMTP id k9mr1291115fan.120.1289853765428; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:42:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.121.138 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:42:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1289851856.14522.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1289851856.14522.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:42:45 -0600 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Devin Teske Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Wojciech Puchar , krad , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Modulok Subject: Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:43:55 -0000 On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Devin Teske wrote: > Sounds like FUD. > > Like the OP, I too am interested in the current state of ZFS. We've been > following the threads as far as build 28, and I do indeed see positive > improvement and continued development. However, is anyone that is > actively involved in the project able to provide a snapshot opinion of > the production readiness of ZFS for enterprise deployment? > > If the opinion is that ZFS is not ready for production, are there any > technical explanations as to the efficacy or lack thereof rather than > the above philosophical FUD which implores the OP to pour over massive > archives (which can paint an inverse picture because the archives are > usually filled with a higher number of issues than success stories -- > which is true of nearly ANY mailing-list)? > You'll need to go over to freebsd-fs@ if you want a technical discussion. All you'll get here is meaningless opinionated philosophical gibber with little to no basis in reality. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 20:54:17 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6957C1065693 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:54:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E88278FC1D for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:54:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwd20 with SMTP id 20so450740wwd.31 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:54:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=XTJ0+woW/fAcLYlo/mDoTLQruVZ8IFJW6Pv+CYln5yc=; b=P1tSXaXcd3FzP8dPckao/Crh0k6uNok2lsrgueML9TR56rgSmq0Pvqt9ce2JECFW2Y 8XwamCedM0A5fsF+qNyyiuJvoW3brfty4N/zX6Q+aXg7lDz8bZvEz9RAoL4PTkwpI8e1 eKzJ95ymu5ZryNS1qdQSVekB716u/QAIftZOg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=KGGOykRA4eMSpHOWwen9mPY+OkIzY72grX/m5UIBFNhMbKsDTtu0b+KH5f36JuvY7u DSxIPl7JfxoiD+nULbMprezjslV5I3XpGQ6vmP/JTrEMHuv1Xg/1eyZHICr0JN6/BZtV HoNWS84ncvCelGrJKOltpJYu30r3ZjHEzz6e8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.196.156 with SMTP id r28mr5711893wen.29.1289854455548; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:54:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.72.148 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:54:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1289851856.14522.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:54:14 +0000 Message-ID: From: krad To: Adam Vande More Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Devin Teske , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Modulok Subject: Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:54:17 -0000 On 15 November 2010 20:42, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Devin Teske wrote: > >> Sounds like FUD. >> >> Like the OP, I too am interested in the current state of ZFS. We've been >> following the threads as far as build 28, and I do indeed see positive >> improvement and continued development. However, is anyone that is >> actively involved in the project able to provide a snapshot opinion of >> the production readiness of ZFS for enterprise deployment? >> >> If the opinion is that ZFS is not ready for production, are there any >> technical explanations as to the efficacy or lack thereof rather than >> the above philosophical FUD which implores the OP to pour over massive >> archives (which can paint an inverse picture because the archives are >> usually filled with a higher number of issues than success stories -- >> which is true of nearly ANY mailing-list)? >> > > You'll need to go over to freebsd-fs@ if you want a technical discussion. > All you'll get here is meaningless opinionated philosophical gibber with > little to no basis in reality. > > > > -- > Adam Vande More > true, but well all know that politics influence our jobs and lives far more than the absolute truth, so you cant just ignore it unfortunately. You get a failure of some kind, then some clueless suit does some googling, puts 1 and 2 together and comes up with 7, and suddenly your in a hard place justifying your choices. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 21:17:56 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38F7A106564A for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 21:17:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forward13.mail.yandex.net (forward13.mail.yandex.net [95.108.130.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE208FC17 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 21:17:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp12.mail.yandex.net (smtp12.mail.yandex.net [95.108.131.191]) by forward13.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 3F3A31080BB9 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 00:17:54 +0300 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1289855874; bh=eXtlGiykd21gGGOi+uI+lsVKwmMh6w1mW2USZq9q9mw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=v1zDAW1tV9vZr/OD8bHkdBqNjJ/mQj8R7SPlUeR+xzdDNX07hdxMzRfPy/v0etNP0 xVgIrRN1xY5i8I0FpLgd/mziNxQUrvJ6CvGV+ANu5eo1w8iDX1rtWupmZkpFaFvmLu WFbd8RmlbjQy/vRL+n+MooJiFMBDdGWp2kqIfbxo= Received: from kes.in (unknown [77.93.42.18]) by smtp12.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTPA id 0FA2613E808F for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 00:17:54 +0300 (MSK) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 23:17:58 +0200 From: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: =?windows-1251?B?188gyu7t/Oru4iwgRnJlZUxpbmU=?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1919562799.20101115231758@yandex.ru> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: capabilities of ibg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 21:17:56 -0000 Hi Intel(C) driver v1.8.4 igb0: flags=8802 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=53b capabilities=53b standart driver igb0: flags=8802 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=1bb capabilities=101bb Does igb intel driver can not do VLAN_HWCSUM? What is HWFILTER? Is this better to isntall Intel(C) driver or keep FBSD native driver? -- , mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 22:47:23 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28EBD106564A for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 22:47:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4A948FC14 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 22:47:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so32991bwz.13 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:47:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=N8BTY1dhnFA02sz9Fv3OUtQYc3tLvO9/cuTlW/aIg0A=; b=m2sFEdcBwWDDM9laQVT8nqkoXzJmb3WgsUiYxrTkgo5CM7FCvXjLlx+4XQIMak2w/n vxvFp8h/ecATFB6YfwuAMq+Co0QAaUBVaubHqtzpEq6QDKMNyKiNB+jFO6i5d54eXy9U 9cxEm/LFBqx072zyrYW6pSob9w5AjSiEFRbN4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=e+lLvFWOcvIZT9bmTxdLIJD8PlyVn2C9m3pWx1sW9L0GoQoMBl/5J3IJWfG+AB8jQU u+ks34meCCTYCdi6icPNEQY8EzIwHXi1KuWVEjRVwF260kVVo68Emq/SjDtGp5QPTSdT gtDAgCiOO1GssMpouyAJJHH2Hucaph6rh0D/8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.54.82 with SMTP id p18mr6675009bkg.205.1289861241171; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:47:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.136.211 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:47:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 23:47:21 +0100 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fernando_Apestegu=EDa?= To: Michael Powell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: About FreeBSD kernel newbies X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 22:47:23 -0000 On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Michael Powell wr= ote: > Fernando Apestegu=EDa wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I was wondering if anyone has considered the creation of =A0a kernel >> newbies mail list for FreeBSD. >> I am aware of two places where someone can ask questions about that: >> either freebsd-hackers@ or the "FreeBSD Development" forum >> at http://forums.freebsd.org. >> >> I've been following the Linux kernel newbies list for a while and I >> think it is very informative. >> >> Would it be good to have such a list? >> > Can't say for sure myself, but certain points do spring to mind - mainly > based upon the fact than 'BSD's are not Linux. The main difference that > would apply is the separation in the Linux world between kernel developme= nt > and userland. Some work on the kernel while others package distros, addin= g a > userland to what kernel developers produce. > > FreeBSD is not Linux in that it is a complete operating system, kernel an= d > userland are developed together and distributed as a complete unit. Since > there is no separation between kernel and userland development maybe an Actually, there is separation. Although they are shipped as a one complete and integrated product, they do differ in the way they are developed. > alternate proposal might be for people coming to FreeBSD from the Linux > world to endeavor to learn and adjust to what has worked for the communit= y > well for many years now. In other words, leave the Linuxisms in Linux lan= d > and learn the FreeBSD-isms. Yes, that's one way to do it. In fact, that's probably one of the most straightforward ways to jump from Linux to FreeBSD. > > The FreeBSD community does try and function as a meritocracy for a lofty > goal. It may not be perfect, but it also does try and be open and look at > new ideas when they come around. Things not immediately dismissed out of > hand will be debated from the bottom up, and if by the time it percolates > upwards to the top it has survived many a thrashing it may just be > committed. > > So, no harm in proposing new ideas. Just keep in mind that many times suc= h > proposals have a limited lifetime and have actually been proposed before. > The community may have bandied the idea about and decided not to pursue i= t. > Then it is quickly forgotten until the next cycle comes around with some > newcomer proposing the same thing again. It happens. Witness the "Why Do = You > Have a Devil for a Mascot" meme that continues to resurface periodically > year after year. We got tired of that many years ago, but it just will no= t > go away... =A0:-) > > So if the larger community and it's reasoned approach decides a proposal = has > merit for whatever number of supporting arguments, and idea might just ta= ke > flight. Whatever I, as one individual, may think about any one idea/propo= sal > it is the larger community in general that will decide. It was just an idea. I don't really know if there is room for such list. Maybe it is better to ask questions (though they could have an 'obvious' answer) at freebsd-hackers@ or freebsd-current@ as Robert suggested. Regards. > > -Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 22:47:47 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F92C1065696 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 22:47:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C2F8FC1A for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 22:47:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAFMlY9v080531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 22:47:40 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk oAFMlY9v080531 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1289861261; bh=kqa4ilAg4Wm20x4F+VbEPUTT6oFmMnllXjq0brp3aqo=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4CE1B87E.7030900@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20M on,=2015=20Nov=202010=2022:47:26=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(Macintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac= 20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-GB=3B=20rv:1.9.2.12)=20Gecko/20101027=20Th underbird/3.1.6|MIME-Version:=201.0|To:=20freebsd-questions@freebs d.org|Subject:=20Re:=20Is=20ZFS=20ready=20for=20prime=20time?|Refe rences:=20=09=09 =0 9=09<1289851 856.14522.41.camel@localhost.localdomain>=20|In-Reply-To:=20|X-Eni gmail-Version:=201.1.1|OpenPGP:=20id=3D60AE908C|Content-Type:=20mu ltipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"appli cation/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig71EF3 E7200CC88373BDDC16B"; b=uFvIWD6mnyTX1JSXtQThslCKVu/ZZ6EqABLMh6/D0aUbUYfcYD+qBKHI4GHgVVpJk vpiHZUgt2Z9QMEfJBf/nEbqfezuV9O3EZX+9OhUcwRYCq8dic81JVHtlF0MbuSclDi 9SqH/HwzLnUvzg7WkGUkVT7jh19QF511JpzXhndA= Message-ID: <4CE1B87E.7030900@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 22:47:26 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1289851856.14522.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig71EF3E7200CC88373BDDC16B" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.4 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 22:47:47 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig71EF3E7200CC88373BDDC16B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 15/11/2010 20:33, krad wrote: > My gut feeling is no. I wouldn't put it on mission critical stuff yet. = Its > not that I have had any major bad experiences (x fingers) but im not aw= are > of any major deployments of it in the wild. As a result I wouldnt feel = safe > being the 1st 8) >=20 > What I would advise is to think carefully about what you actually need.= If > you dont really need zfs features, then fine go with ufs, as you can al= ways > migrate in the future. However if the features are useful to you and of= > enough of a benefit to justify I would advise going for a Solaris platf= orm > of some kind. >=20 > If you are doing it on a budget, go for openindiana, but if you have a = some > budget, go for the safe option of solaris 10 u9. >=20 I don't entirely agree with this. ZFS on FreeBSD is in good shape and suitable for /some/ mission critical uses IMHO. You will gain all the benefits of reliability, maintainability and flexibility that ZFS provide= s. However: * The versions of ZFS in RELEASE versions of FreeBSD aren't brilliantly performant: you want recent 8.1-STABLE or above if your need is for speed. * FreeBSD itself doesn't have good support for being an iSCSI provider, consequently the iSCSI related functions in ZFS are not enabled. Similarly SCSI-target mode is in need of a bit of love, and trying to use FreeBSD as a homebrew SAN over fibre channel doesn't really work. * ZFS (on any platform) is intrinsically slow for the sort of small random IOs generated by RDBMSes. On the other hand, the data integrity and update consistency guarantees are really good news if your Database needs stability and correctness more than speed. * The file synch-ing guarantees provided by ZFS are entirely dependent on the behaviour of the underlying hardware -- if your disk lies to the OS about having committed data to non-volatile storage then nothing can really be promised. Or, looked at from a different point of view: ZFS cannot make a silk purse out of a sow's ear: it works most effectively with server-grade SATA or SAS drives rather than commodity desktop hard drives. Personally, I've converted to using a ZFS mirror pair of drives for preference as my standard way to do a FreeBSD OS install for a general purpose server. Exceptions are mostly due to speed requirements. Once 8.2-RELEASE hits the shelves in January (well, approximately January) ZFS performance in RELEASE will be seen to have improved markedly, and I expect to be using ZFS pretty much exclusively for general purpose instal= ls. On the other hand, if you need to build some sort of network file server, then OpenIndiana or Solaris would be better choices with ZFS, and are likely to remain better for some significant amount of time. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig71EF3E7200CC88373BDDC16B Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkzhuIUACgkQ8Mjk52CukIw/sACeMulO/l8vHUQDVFKSOTLKfIqx 3WUAnAsJhxv3g9y+NAaj5ongruopGUmm =KCkO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig71EF3E7200CC88373BDDC16B-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 01:03:47 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B61A106566B for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 01:03:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8D58FC0C for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 01:03:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so47024ewy.13 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 17:03:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.47.78 with SMTP id s54mr4512671eeb.21.1289869425772; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 17:03:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.127.1 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 17:03:45 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [69.91.158.154] In-Reply-To: <4CE1B87E.7030900@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <1289851856.14522.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4CE1B87E.7030900@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 17:03:45 -0800 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 01:03:47 -0000 One problem I ran into is that the file sharing technologies in FreeBSD have not kept up; I consider NFSv4 a requirement for sanely sharing ZFS over a network, and FreeBSD's NFSv4 server is still under heavy development and not yet production-ready. That may not matter for a backup server, though. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 02:52:10 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AB0F106564A for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 02:52:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF388FC08 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 02:52:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id oAG2q6n7074600; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:52:06 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:52:06 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Dave Robison In-Reply-To: <20101115191049.7CD6C10656F2@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20101116125620.Y39988@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20101115191049.7CD6C10656F2@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Grant Peel , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IPFW at startup. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 02:52:10 -0000 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 337, Issue 2, Message: 26 On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 10:52:41 -0800 Dave Robison wrote: > I haven't seen someone use "firewall_type" as a path to the config file. It's not so uncommon. Anyone who's based their ruleset on the handbook section on IPFW will likely be using this method, and Grant has used it correctly. This is only applicable where $firewall_script is set to '/etc/rc.firewall', but that is the default in /etc/defaults/rc.conf > If you check the default rc.firewall file, you will see several types of > default firewall settings, such as "open" and "closed". You want to set > "firewall_type" in rc.conf to be "open" or whatever your firewall type > is in /etc/rc.firewall. Please note the last section in rc.firewall, which specifically tests whether $firewall_type is a readable file, and if so, passes that file as an argument to ipfw(8) (qv). *) if [ -r "${firewall_type}" ]; then ${fwcmd} ${firewall_flags} ${firewall_type} fi ;; esac Also note that in this case, the file is not a shell script, but a set of arguments to the ipfw command. Grant's set is in the correct format. > You can probably get away with editing your existing rc.firewall to > include a firewall type, such as "custom", then defining firewall_type > as "custom" in /etc/rc.conf. You could, but it's not necessary. In the olden days you more or less had to do that, but nowadays you can specify parameters for the client, simple and workstation types, so you can get a minimal reasonably safe and effective firewall going, at least for starters, just using rc.conf variables. This also means you can avoid messing with rc.firewall, so that system updates will properly bring in any changes and additions. The documentation for this is so far really only in /etc/rc.firewall itself and in /etc/defaults/rc.conf .. perhaps one day $someone will re-write the Handbook IPFW section; meanwhile ipfw(8) is definitive. You can also start out using one of the builtin types, then save it to a file with 'ipfw list >file', then modify things it there, add comments etc, then specify that file as firewall_type henceforth. Or, as Chuck has shown, you can get really fancy and use some preprocessor :) cheers, Ian PS: Please don't top-post on FreeBSD lists, and if at all possible avoid posting multiple disclaimers, that are in any case entirely inapplicable to public list postings. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 04:17:56 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFEAF106566C for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 04:17:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DF998FC13 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 04:17:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyg13 with SMTP id 13so111696gyg.13 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:17:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=7axErZh496jVNVYEslrarn8LKgddOgTLNyybWbdU1R0=; b=dXUT+SoKrWN7an9aiunpAhAKoLu2/zqL+Cwv9HcgGcIJfoZr1YQoh0ogD8TpNB0EdB vL9xwzWpFjrcC2N2XD2/B6M/cAZYCIjQckudkLtPHCmwQEjPMpK6vHDHQyAOQKSyLfYo kl+tBnl0sKO5hRsDNI0OmyKXxwl/vV2SyP6og= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; b=SgNq5jiUoT0p09ChMkBz5Ir1a7pcWAZXQUxDn++cPJc6HLcvYjhXERFGVXkT47leOi 8Y30x6+TOMcHV7dojhIP8dKjZnLpA5EU/yfGpYtPbel5XWAbyqr0WaYQ1+UgX5zfboyG mUTa0TeMkPArkzno3lmxdy405NuwDsWEAlOc8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.5.13 with SMTP id 13mr4807954ane.57.1289881075506; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:17:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.41.170 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:17:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 04:17:55 +0000 Message-ID: From: "b. f." To: Chris Brennan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)' X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bf1783@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 04:17:56 -0000 Chris Brennan wrote: ... >My Hiccup as the subject suggests is about my Wireless Card. >I have been following the handbook ( >http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/config-network-setup.html) on how to use >64-bit Windows drivers coupled w/ ndisgen to get my wireless card working. I >got ndisgen to generate a kernel module but it immediately caused my laptop >to reboot when the kernel was loaded. This left me scratching my head. I >think I might need firmware (I remember having to extract firmware from the >driver for linux). > >pciconf shows the following: > >[root at BlackDragon [~]# pciconf -lv | grep -A3 0x4315 >none8 at pci0:8:0:0: class=0x028000 card=0x137c103c chip=0x431514e4 >rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Broadcom Corporation' > device = 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)' > class = network >[root at BlackDragon [~]# > >The laptop is an HP dv2845SE and it's running FreebSD64-8.1. Let me know if >I missed anything. I'm assuming that by "FreebSD64", you mean the amd64 version of FreeBSD. Have you tried using a recent version of the native bwn(4) driver, together with the net/bwn-firmware-kmod port, rather than ndis(4)? b. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 04:23:45 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC05B1065670 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 04:23:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6860F8FC15 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 04:23:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so87540ewy.13 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:23:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.28.205 with SMTP id n13mr6370638ebc.5.1289881423770; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:23:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.10.65 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:23:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Chris Brennan Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 23:23:23 -0500 Message-ID: To: bf1783@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)' X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 04:23:46 -0000 On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 11:17 PM, b. f. wrote: > Chris Brennan wrote: > ... > >My Hiccup as the subject suggests is about my Wireless Card. > >I have been following the handbook ( > >http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/config-network-setup.html) on how to > use > >64-bit Windows drivers coupled w/ ndisgen to get my wireless card working. > I > >got ndisgen to generate a kernel module but it immediately caused my > laptop > >to reboot when the kernel was loaded. This left me scratching my head. I > >think I might need firmware (I remember having to extract firmware from > the > >driver for linux). > > > >pciconf shows the following: > > > >[root at BlackDragon [~]# pciconf -lv | grep -A3 0x4315 > >none8 at pci0:8:0:0: class=0x028000 card=0x137c103c chip=0x431514e4 > >rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Broadcom Corporation' > > device = 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)' > > class = network > >[root at BlackDragon [~]# > > > >The laptop is an HP dv2845SE and it's running FreebSD64-8.1. Let me know > if > >I missed anything. > > I'm assuming that by "FreebSD64", you mean the amd64 version of > FreeBSD. Have you tried using a recent version of the native bwn(4) > driver, together with the net/bwn-firmware-kmod port, rather than > ndis(4)? > > > b. > Yes, by FreeBSD64 I am implying amd64, an oversight on my part. I was told the native bwn/bwn-firmware-kmod non-functional currently. Was I misinformed about this? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 04:58:46 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 206D4106564A for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 04:58:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5258FC13 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 04:58:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwj20 with SMTP id 20so118739gwj.13 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:58:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; bh=XjaifTVWkrgvNOgc1dJvc4KLybhEygsJ0vX6JnAXBUM=; b=rQ5lRs2lmUUQCjM2Gnr1l5ZF0tptzjosvHgkGj2Jd1XOnsQubiOKcX0NDBIKpWKl8v aHClkwV6TST9dcFd+jbssHNnl6Vm8b5noxumNz2w45QofTmKbFgZOk9yrW0zjRXSd0kM D0HW8YAfJYPa2qkEgGP4qCu14ba9swPk2nkT0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=wGbyQHJgZlfTROePqnOio80lLWQYotN0q3Jw7bAFzkznCf2Fdcovs2cvRT5IJI1e49 U9NoCxGwNu2u0mPbsSldGdf6XR7iC79HARrBQntbLBa1CARxnd2d6uh7lXs+Qy9TxY3V UtxK6by2afJHPqf9MjLD0Dn8DbnxJiZPj3zQg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.91.17.5 with SMTP id u5mr8929494agi.165.1289883524995; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:58:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.41.170 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:58:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 04:58:44 +0000 Message-ID: From: "b. f." To: Chris Brennan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)' X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bf1783@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 04:58:46 -0000 On 11/16/10, Chris Brennan wrote: > On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 11:17 PM, b. f. wrote: > >> Chris Brennan wrote: >> ... >> >My Hiccup as the subject suggests is about my Wireless Card. >> >I have been following the handbook ( >> >http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/config-network-setup.html) on how to >> use >> >64-bit Windows drivers coupled w/ ndisgen to get my wireless card >> > working. >> I >> >got ndisgen to generate a kernel module but it immediately caused my >> laptop >> >to reboot when the kernel was loaded. This left me scratching my head. I >> >think I might need firmware (I remember having to extract firmware from >> the >> >driver for linux). >> > >> >pciconf shows the following: >> > >> >[root at BlackDragon [~]# pciconf -lv | grep -A3 0x4315 >> >none8 at pci0:8:0:0: class=0x028000 card=0x137c103c chip=0x431514e4 >> >rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 >> > vendor = 'Broadcom Corporation' >> > device = 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)' >> > class = network >> >[root at BlackDragon [~]# >> > >> >The laptop is an HP dv2845SE and it's running FreebSD64-8.1. Let me know >> if >> >I missed anything. >> >> I'm assuming that by "FreebSD64", you mean the amd64 version of >> FreeBSD. Have you tried using a recent version of the native bwn(4) >> driver, together with the net/bwn-firmware-kmod port, rather than >> ndis(4)? >> >> >> b. >> > > Yes, by FreeBSD64 I am implying amd64, an oversight on my part. I was told > the native bwn/bwn-firmware-kmod non-functional currently. Was I misinformed > about this? > I don't use it myself, but I have seen exchanges on the mailing lists from time to time that would suggest that it is working, at least for some hardware. The only PR that I can see in the database from someone using a card similar to yours was a report of a problem that only arose in a specific configuration, and that problem seems to have been solved: ttp://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/144724 However, you could ask weongyo@ (the developer who has done most of the work on it) directly. If you are feeling bold, you could try 9-CURRENT, where you will be able to use the latest versions of the driver and associated wireless infrastructure. b. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 05:02:40 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7EE2106566C for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 05:02:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90E888FC19 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 05:02:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywa8 with SMTP id 8so125220ywa.13 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 21:02:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; bh=PQy7MaFiJmigCzLFtlzH59oNili83t56ZE6PsXYBATg=; b=I8qatIRQSuMLEfucelAZBHIlizFsvXqasvNRrocS26Yz19yaglCs+UaLQTwg3SIzsZ dEYbors1gnzsvdVdcqzdLV9/QHq4Ds6zY2BVFPxFDCC8wPQWYT+CCa9icbV1IaE1oFEt Sa84WBOonU63/F0wZa5XO/zs7dV7cWJNxLy4Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=JlDzrvV6tIZGpaIAbDFsSVZ5G3VXk55U9IK39Aq6A7tdc7ARkR4PDfmRI8P84i85yL 5PuhnY/zR3AgLtUUQY+LAP62EsxUqzqEUhx1AmJqllvsnATzn3mjduu6n0yTXawR0Yuf fQrWI0c2QDd33IrtFEu3lMiOaKjA6HFjE73sE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.163.15 with SMTP id l15mr4886130ane.125.1289883759300; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 21:02:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.41.170 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 21:02:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 05:02:39 +0000 Message-ID: From: "b. f." To: Chris Brennan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)' X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bf1783@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 05:02:40 -0000 On 11/16/10, b. f. wrote: ... > > ttp://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/144724 The above should be http://... , of course. b. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 05:24:42 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C7D106564A for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 05:24:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A64368FC13 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 05:24:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so97494ewy.13 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 21:24:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.108.196 with SMTP id g4mr5487273ebp.31.1289885079137; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 21:24:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.10.65 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 21:24:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Chris Brennan Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 00:24:18 -0500 Message-ID: To: bf1783@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)' X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 05:24:42 -0000 On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 12:02 AM, b. f. wrote: > On 11/16/10, b. f. wrote: > ... > > > > ttp://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/144724 > > The above should be http://... , of course. > > b. > I've seen him elsewhere on the list so I will shoot him an e-mail then (unless he responds to this thread directly, in which case I would interact with him here :P) Thanks for the heads-up on this, much appreciated. This will make using my laptop at the library so much easier when I need to work on a paper now :D (provided it does work) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 06:26:33 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E081065697 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 06:26:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 906118FC15 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 06:26:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PIEhy-0007vP-J1 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 22:07:58 -0800 Message-ID: <30226090.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 22:07:58 -0800 (PST) From: Irene7999 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <569512.60261.qm@web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Nabble-From: irene7999@hotmail.com References: <569512.60261.qm@web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: USB Hard Drive Dock X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 06:26:34 -0000 Bill Tillman wrote: >=20 > I just purchased a setup which will allow me to access IDE and/or SATA > drives through a USB port. Of course I was hoping for it to work with > FreeBSD and in spite of the reviews which said it needed no Windows > drivers as soon as I opened it up there was a CD with the drivers for > Windows on it. > =C2=A0 > When I hook this thing up to my FreeBSD server it shows up like this: > =C2=A0 > Jul 31 15:06:29 FreeBSD1 root: Unknown USB device: vendor 0x152d product > 0x2338 bus uhub1 > Jul 31 15:06:29 FreeBSD1 kernel: usbd_set_config_index: could not read > device status: USB_ERR_SHORT_XFER > Jul 31 15:06:29 FreeBSD1 kernel: ugen1.2: at usbus1 > Jul 31 15:06:29 FreeBSD1 kernel: umass0: on > usbus1 > Jul 31 15:06:29 FreeBSD1 kernel: umass0:=C2=A0 SCSI over Bulk-Only; quirk= s =3D > 0x4000 > Jul 31 15:06:30 FreeBSD1 kernel: umass0:0:0:-1: Attached to scbus0 > Jul 31 15:06:31 FreeBSD1 kernel: (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): TEST UNIT > READY. CDB: 0 0 0 0 0 0 > Jul 31 15:06:31 FreeBSD1 kernel: (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): CAM status: > SCSI Status Error > Jul 31 15:06:31 FreeBSD1 kernel: (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): SCSI status: > Check Condition > Jul 31 15:06:31 FreeBSD1 kernel: (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): SCSI sense: > NOT READY asc:3a,0 (Medium not present) > Jul 31 15:06:31 FreeBSD1 kernel: da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 > lun 0 > Jul 31 15:06:31 FreeBSD1 kernel: da0: <=C2=A0 > Fixed Direct Access SCSI-= 2 > device > Jul 31 15:06:31 FreeBSD1 kernel: da0: 40.000MB/s transfers > Jul 31 15:06:31 FreeBSD1 kernel: da0: Attempt to query device size failed= : > NOT READY, Medium not present > Jul 31 15:06:31 FreeBSD1 kernel: (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): READ > CAPACITY(10). CDB: 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > Jul 31 15:06:31 FreeBSD1 kernel: (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): CAM status: SCSI > Status Error > Jul 31 15:06:31 FreeBSD1 kernel: (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): SCSI status: > Check Condition > Jul 31 15:06:31 FreeBSD1 kernel: (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): SCSI sense: NOT > READY asc:3a,0 (Medium not present) > Jul 31 15:06:31 FreeBSD1 kernel: (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): READ > CAPACITY(10). CDB: 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > Jul 31 15:06:31 FreeBSD1 kernel: (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): CAM status: SCSI > Status Error > Jul 31 15:06:31 FreeBSD1 kernel: (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): SCSI status: > Check Condition > Jul 31 15:06:31 FreeBSD1 kernel: (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): SCSI sense: NOT > READY asc:3a,0 (Medium not present) > =C2=A0 > So apparently the FreeBSD server senses when this thing is connected but > it cannot see the drive connected to it. BTW - The FreeBSD server only > reports anything when I power up the drive on the device. So again I see > there might be hope to access it. > =C2=A0 > Of course I cannot mount anything as /dev/da0s1...etc are not there, only > /dev/da0. The drive I'm attempting to mount was the main drive in another > FreeBSD server I had working. The drive is ok and I can mount it using > other methods. But this hot-swap USB method has some advantaged I'd like > to use. >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 >=20 Maybe a firewire hdd dock can help you:handshake: http://www.espow.com/wholesale-sata-hdd-docking-station-for-mac-support-139= 4b-1394a-firewire-port.html http://www.espow.com/wholesale-sata-hdd-docking-station-for-mac-support-139= 4b-1394a-firewire-port.html=20 ----- http://www.espow.com/wholesale-sata-hdd-docking-station-for-mac-support-139= 4b-1394a-firewire-port.html mac hard drive dock=20 --=20 View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/USB-Hard-Drive-Dock-tp2= 9327790p30226090.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 07:28:23 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 831AF106564A for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 07:28:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nr1c0re@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D8F48FC14 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 07:28:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwd6 with SMTP id 6so400559qwd.13 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 23:28:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=FnrNoGVdHq3MWEEkKi1SBaf9MQLO9KeIduGOwi+T7GE=; b=IoDyQl4VaLIG3RavONPYiB0wz/ViFH1Iw5C6wcLoxIBpva2ZwQNmAEzDuDWB9rkzZK F9z+umnLRM6whute9GdZrZeVi4D3P+bCeUpocS1hOdHuT6VKeJUqKBGak0HGC94TCy8K TLtc5XqEj9uRc3sHS0Lj/671P7O7vG6CAIM04= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Bj53RnnvgnxesqkFj8eHeTWY3GiNoHcbas9AOf5iJJX2C4070/t8mu3Js99txNKScE 5ysU4ahy+xQdU46ge+mcT+DutcdaVpNEGip1EYl2tCfCSi5Yv3whbhu/Tz4slsazOwIc noV7ljL3Qgc8Pq/dakw1sHhbLYnDILEdwgxxw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.228.76 with SMTP id jd12mr5927155qcb.291.1289892502476; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 23:28:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.64.91 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 23:28:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20101115122428.294dde4f@scorpio> References: <20101115090851.237f167b@scorpio> <20101115122428.294dde4f@scorpio> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:28:22 +0300 Message-ID: From: c0re To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: openssl version - how to verify X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 07:28:23 -0000 Jerry, I'm not about that :) base openssl are OK. But I need proves that it has got no security problems - it's external IT auditors request. And I'm interested how I can know what patchlevel there on base openssl version and prove them (auditors) that freebsd base openssl are not vulnerable. 2010/11/15 Jerry : > On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:40:27 +0300 > c0re articulated: > >> There are still too many broken ports with openssl from ports, I do >> not like debug it and really like to use base openssl, almost no >> difference. > > Might I suggest that if you are aware of ports that don't work > correctly with the port's version of openssl that you file a PR against > it. I have done so and succeeded in getting several patches issued to > correct the problem. This problem will not go away by itself. > > -- > Jerry =E2=9C=8C > FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net > > Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. > Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. > __________________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 08:10:15 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE3A61065672 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:10:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD028FC1A for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:10:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm19 with SMTP id 19so238348fxm.13 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 00:10:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=1t6Lb4BNcjehjWzsMbHg6wM3RXySdvPosMclQmB6x9o=; b=wsCfnQGlU+9yvLOMjJerLNGxOMPbzo9NPOKtTgNXQYOAblLwC4xWlvs23gzSQWfbMx wCBLxDhG1HjJXNorD3g0YTzD12A8Ier7BMkkkfJ6YscbtvEErExrSZ9OBpqOhn4/kiK6 EVAP9QWJYtJSkVX0zrINAHWhWpTZ8DrGkvr6I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=ZKTPkXd9eTWSps7xmBtRUtBIXUiyaKgFNyQ9jEM6eznLeeMt70rAjwrheNMpWF8UqR oR484LO5KHlroMCUv8uuXtUl5a7QgudYfOqLV2m4wtBM3A8euEOENCNl2wh73CMkwFEv itMdlnDujTvuinBDDRIkXWJV9Ff4z41GXDS0E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.87.6 with SMTP id u6mr5647738fal.6.1289895013957; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 00:10:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.121.138 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 00:10:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20101115090851.237f167b@scorpio> <20101115122428.294dde4f@scorpio> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 02:10:13 -0600 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: c0re Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: openssl version - how to verify X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:10:15 -0000 On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 1:28 AM, c0re wrote: > Jerry, I'm not about that :) base openssl are OK. But I need proves > that it has got no security problems - it's external IT auditors > request. > And I'm interested how I can know what patchlevel there on base > openssl version and prove them (auditors) that freebsd base openssl > are not vulnerable. > Please don't top-post, thanks. http://security.freebsd.org/advisories/ The files say which version it's corrected in. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 08:49:07 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 102A0106566B for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:49:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nr1c0re@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f44.google.com (mail-qw0-f44.google.com [209.85.216.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7BCA8FC0C for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:49:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwd7 with SMTP id 7so286084qwd.17 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 00:49:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=7JHr+exdxh5pAueBXDAkIxmXveFppp0iRleCrHLm/+I=; b=LxS5jd61nrfXlRhkXirHSDCKYLnmcNZ2DUQT82b2kHCJG+tVwUlA0XFh7JdpuZXtor Fv7cPdoRydVkqGg1zgKZA6SIwv/bKuNLmc/XLD5mgkEra8TjWoOA3JPfk9UMwkCWAxq6 PmFhdQlTrOTg1uGuoxjxQSkpmQc/IE+sinEas= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=i60sZ2cbfzV28KeNTZ0D6pHxm4BBBNKaZDqFSFekm3T3IYNDNjUZ8tby3vgupA2oJd 3/Pn9duzqzdT8RGZoEjjnjwgU0Xi6/r5AgWMgwIkdvivuSt1LAGZl06FZnb4qjcxD1ng 1P3XmTOuUJEgSkGh5JX5Me747Trpl7ejNK3/w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.228.76 with SMTP id jd12mr5994322qcb.291.1289897345542; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 00:49:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.64.91 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 00:49:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20101115090851.237f167b@scorpio> <20101115122428.294dde4f@scorpio> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 11:49:05 +0300 Message-ID: From: c0re To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: openssl version - how to verify X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:49:07 -0000 2010/11/16 Adam Vande More : > On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 1:28 AM, c0re wrote: >> >> Jerry, I'm not about that :) base openssl are OK. But I need proves >> that it has got no security problems - it's external IT auditors >> request. >> And I'm interested how I can know what patchlevel there on base >> openssl version and prove them (auditors) that freebsd base openssl >> are not vulnerable. > > Please don't top-post, thanks. Sorry. Wont will in future. But why? > http://security.freebsd.org/advisories/ > > The files say which version it's corrected in. > > -- > Adam Vande More > Thanks, it's better then nothing :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 09:21:53 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 774DF106564A for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:21:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christer.solskogen@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 253C58FC13 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:21:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwd7 with SMTP id 7so81280qwd.13 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 01:21:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=fyoU1TZu6piO/diwoj6FqSS5nMsRuBvVFFdfPa5gC9o=; b=PlBXT3S9lstlVXqgOr0sPxB/nn2+lUQ0Cl5nDL8HfkiHNN32jxCaIwnDhM+b0PgOqe Yb/Z7G6GLJ/dbv0rsd4H/Yw97pTdVpDQsR2xXnOgYPR+6z0losxZSf2Qo/fjeLIyXlGX ga0AbZ5FG0B9KC8wUIM1JJAfuKg9nKxJB/Yxc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=kY4tri2+S78s2iHbTlnY3vGf52z4wV6ptO+xLg1nCrY+vsbZVPs5TqazOCto+7Y5Be ifJaeZjDmZvPXh7H7GdkPzkBfxROf5ozLW3qa3rnTYo2J8HoNfvVjnRPIWsfS+K+51ld JnGB4xaHUxXQ99l/0KYbijtAuDMqRLXBYNgk8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.234.84 with SMTP id kb20mr6097259qcb.288.1289899312089; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 01:21:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.231.81 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 01:21:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20101115090851.237f167b@scorpio> <20101115122428.294dde4f@scorpio> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:21:51 +0100 Message-ID: From: Christer Solskogen To: c0re Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: openssl version - how to verify X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:21:53 -0000 On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 9:49 AM, c0re wrote: > 2010/11/16 Adam Vande More : >> Please don't top-post, thanks. > > Sorry. Wont will in future. But why? > Because it messes up the flow of reading. I prefer to bottom-post. > How come? > What do you do instead? > > No. > > > Do you like top-posting? -- chs, From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 09:42:12 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDEDA106566C for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:42:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.26.172.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9BE88FC12 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:42:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id oAG9fqkC097682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 16 Nov 2010 01:41:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id oAG9fqQb097681; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 01:41:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA15650; Tue, 16 Nov 10 01:38:09 PST Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 01:38:16 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl Message-Id: <4ce25108.5sRHgapWO8LjXMzo%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <201011132032.oADKW4FG025920@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101113220559.GE45921@guilt.hydra> <4cdfa533.KmbS7pHvQ3h+K92G%perryh@pluto.rain.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: perrin@apotheon.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:42:12 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > there will no no next language. there is no need to have C follower. > C is perfect Which C are you referring to here? The original K&R, ANSI, or some other variant? ANSI C is different enough from K&R C -- in strength of typing if nothing else -- that some would say ANSI C _is_ the "next language" following K&R C. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 11:34:35 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B23C5106566C for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 11:34:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 338168FC1D for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 11:34:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (p549A74D2.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.116.210]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id oAGBYU4R067766 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 11:34:32 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oAGBYQmp049264 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:34:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id oAGBYK3L052576 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:34:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201011161134.oAGBYK3L052576@fire.js.berklix.net> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Tue, 16 Nov 2010 01:38:16 PST." <4ce25108.5sRHgapWO8LjXMzo%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:34:20 +0100 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Subject: Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 11:34:35 -0000 perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > there will no no next language. there is no need to have C follower. > > C is perfect > > Which C are you referring to here? The original K&R, ANSI, or some > other variant? ANSI C is different enough from K&R C -- in strength > of typing if nothing else -- that some would say ANSI C _is_ the > "next language" following K&R C. Chat about flavours of C, better on chat@ not questions@. ( The daemons noise was enough old FAQ ) http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/x92.html "Before submitting a question You can (and should) do some things yourself before asking a question on one of the mailing lists:" http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html#mailinglists "Chat: Random topics (sometimes) related to FreeBSD." Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail plain text; Not HTML, quoted-printable & base 64 spam formats. Avoid top posting, it cripples itemised cumulative responses. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 12:12:00 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23B3B106566B for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:12:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from krivenok.dmitry@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD75B8FC13 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:11:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so754081iwn.13 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 04:11:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6hBBWPhr8N61ZzhUI/61N8ppf0QswMHCA3LuLpTvZFg=; b=M/BczQAbggyW477rc4/DsHOnQQO2ri8b0qsw6m8wA9vMaEXQUy0sKg1A7QAmmCzB0J i9pMpyOVaFtVBcFsR0uh2yYtLcjs5qNjwQVHQLn9IQ8ZLOUOyki3MGDPnbGuIWGso7fX /gvdi3ecrBx5NrpFnyXzCztnRvswMrJpZ6AJE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=c5mZOszMX6yvxl7DKRCZmJz5LNVChfxMwxeXfd/OYNUEVY2aAI9kzGrELSw/iUMmJB KaT7/rwpPAyCvbkObAb86Ys7CzxlHK4tNSVz6n+P2G+5wPLKoWOlBBA1uuIaE7IT4Ed9 kPwAQt93kQ9t9R1nDD0vhmOSlltrsiN819JlI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.12.8 with SMTP id v8mr5417922ibv.96.1289909518232; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 04:11:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.152.2 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 04:11:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 15:11:58 +0300 Message-ID: From: Dmitry Krivenok To: bf1783@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Chris Brennan Subject: Re: 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)' X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:12:00 -0000 I have the following card: siba_bwn0@pci0:12:0:0: class=3D0x028000 card=3D0x000c1028 chip=3D0x431514e= 4 rev=3D0x01 hdr=3D0x00 vendor =3D 'Broadcom Corporation' device =3D 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)' class =3D network And it doesn't work with bwn driver (perhaps that's a configuration issue though) on 8.1. On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 7:17 AM, b. f. wrote: > Chris Brennan wrote: > ... >>My Hiccup as the subject suggests is about my Wireless Card. >>I have been following the handbook ( >>http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/config-network-setup.html) on how to = use >>64-bit Windows drivers coupled w/ ndisgen to get my wireless card working= . I >>got ndisgen to generate a kernel module but it immediately caused my lapt= op >>to reboot when the kernel was loaded. This left me scratching my head. I >>think I might need firmware (I remember having to extract firmware from t= he >>driver for linux). >> >>pciconf shows the following: >> >>[root at BlackDragon [~]# pciconf -lv | grep -A3 0x4315 >>none8 at pci0:8:0:0: =A0 =A0 =A0 class=3D0x028000 card=3D0x137c103c chip= =3D0x431514e4 >>rev=3D0x01 hdr=3D0x00 >> =A0 =A0vendor =A0 =A0 =3D 'Broadcom Corporation' >> =A0 =A0device =A0 =A0 =3D 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)' >> =A0 =A0class =A0 =A0 =A0=3D network >>[root at BlackDragon [~]# >> >>The laptop is an HP dv2845SE and it's running FreebSD64-8.1. Let me know = if >>I missed anything. > > I'm assuming that by "FreebSD64", you mean the amd64 version of > FreeBSD. =A0Have you tried using a recent version of the native bwn(4) > driver, together with the net/bwn-firmware-kmod port, rather than > ndis(4)? > > > b. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 12:34:10 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A2501065672; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:34:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from endzed@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A84E58FC0C; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:34:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so556793bwz.13 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 04:34:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:content-type:mime-version :subject:from:in-reply-to:date:content-transfer-encoding:message-id :references:to:x-mailer; bh=p3emWKq2V6rEMt5UCohNBSKv82ABhRJUWNg9lbcoFw0=; b=OmdqNWqpMTFF0Xkeo5JqMfPLX3+7Ar5Jsrnx7J6fPr57xpJbZcOMfXkUAnNa9eBxtc giqWt8PtPEuS180U5XiqvEyLi7K25PLZxOKw97D1xoYBTgNesTz+LEy8UuyLjlEdM4fk FbPW9KmPoEEcluMM0Y6/4WqK+AafYG6azPUnY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=hiPwW8rN+yM8bICeI5MMYeFm+mmSpeaWFk73/exbeG8MVCFd3F9YZfDkoGUxmkO8vv ner2ScXIjM/5puadIJzEEhcGxoEC+1tm0/tepo0+JIKH/oLcZHPYG4SlTOkaJ/PGDYC6 hQs+y73ROTYtfixLl8x4B7E8raxSpcn3aP42I= Received: by 10.204.115.73 with SMTP id h9mr408518bkq.173.1289908988407; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 04:03:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([212.147.81.218]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v1sm543900bkt.5.2010.11.16.04.03.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 16 Nov 2010 04:03:07 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) From: endzed@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <1289520291.22576.5.camel@frosch.omx.ch> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:03:04 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1242763051.5505.18.camel@frosch.omx.ch> <47e01da70905240107u6baf7e44pb9e46f8d6952de70@mail.gmail.com> <1277196339.16778.20.camel@ompc.insign.local> <1289520291.22576.5.camel@frosch.omx.ch> To: ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:36:24 +0000 Cc: Subject: Re: [freebsd] pecl-imagick -> Segmentation fault: 11 (core dumped) on php -i under freebsd 7.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:34:10 -0000 Le 12 nov. 2010 =E0 01:04, Olivier Mueller a =E9crit : > Good evening, >=20 > On Tue, 2010-06-22 at 10:45 +0200, Olivier Mueller wrote: >> Problem: >>=20 >> [om@pandora ~]$ php -v -c /usr/local/etc/php.ini-production=20 >> PHP 5.3.2 with Suhosin-Patch (cli) (built: Jun 14 2010 18:11:48)=20 >> Copyright (c) 1997-2009 The PHP Group >> Zend Engine v2.3.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2010 Zend Technologies >> Segmentation fault: 11 (core dumped) >>=20 Here's what did it for me : remove the following lines from = /usr/ports/textproc/libxml2/files/patch-configure and rebuild+reinstall = libxml2 @@ -20678,6 +20679,8 @@ fi fi fi ;; + *freebsd*) THREAD_LIBS=3D"" + ;; esac if test "$WITH_THREADS" =3D "1" ; then THREAD_CFLAGS=3D"$THREAD_CFLAGS -D_REENTRANT" I found this somewhere but cannot remember the thread url = unfortunately... NZ= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 14:12:09 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC9CE1065672 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:12:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E4298FC12 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:12:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PIMGU-0003TH-GN for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 15:12:06 +0100 Received: from lara.cc.fer.hr ([161.53.72.113]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 15:12:06 +0100 Received: from ivoras by lara.cc.fer.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 15:12:06 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 15:11:58 +0100 Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <84607C0F-183F-455A-B37A-B08030C01A9D@boosten.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lara.cc.fer.hr User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101102 Thunderbird/3.1.6 In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Subject: Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:12:09 -0000 On 11/15/10 21:06, Chris Rees wrote: > On 15 November 2010 19:59, Peter Boosten wrote: > >> He's consistent in any case (a quick google search reveals this 2008 >> message): >> http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-questions@freebsd.org/msg192926.html > > Consistent, but still just spouting uninformed FUD. Actually, I don't see anything incorrect in the above archive post. As for specific problems with ZFS, I'm also pessimistic right now - it's enough to read the freebsd-fs @ freebsd.org and zfs-discuss @ opensolaris.org lists to see that there are frequent problems and outstanding issues. You can almost grep for people losing data on ZFS weekly. Compare this to the volume of complaints about UFS in both OSes (almost none). ZFS is young and ambitiously designed. We'll see if it grows up. As for FreeBSD's implementation, I think it will be "as good as it gets" in 9.0 if the import of ZFS v28 doesn't destabilize it. By this I mean that any problems left would not be FreeBSD's fault but ZFS's own fault. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 14:17:49 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 518631065670 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:17:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from om-lists-bsd@omx.ch) Received: from omicron.omnis.ch (omicron.omnis.ch [62.48.3.130]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9E1358FC19 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:17:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 61403 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2010 14:17:46 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.40] ([195.134.148.35]) by omicron.omnis.ch ([62.48.3.130]) with ESMTP via TCP; 16 Nov 2010 14:17:46 -0000 From: Olivier Mueller To: endzed@gmail.com, ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions In-Reply-To: References: <1242763051.5505.18.camel@frosch.omx.ch> <47e01da70905240107u6baf7e44pb9e46f8d6952de70@mail.gmail.com> <1277196339.16778.20.camel@ompc.insign.local> <1289520291.22576.5.camel@frosch.omx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 15:17:46 +0100 Message-Id: <1289917066.5416.13.camel@frosch.omx.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.24.1.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: gnome@FreeBSD.org, Andrey Slusar Subject: [solved] Re: [freebsd] pecl-imagick -> Segmentation fault: 11 (core dumped) on php -i under freebsd 7.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:17:49 -0000 Hello and thanks for your feedback! On Tue, 2010-11-16 at 13:03 +0100, endzed@gmail.com wrote: > >> [om@pandora ~]$ php -v -c /usr/local/etc/php.ini-production > >> PHP 5.3.2 with Suhosin-Patch (cli) (built: Jun 14 2010 18:11:48) > >> Copyright (c) 1997-2009 The PHP Group > >> Zend Engine v2.3.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2010 Zend Technologies > >> Segmentation fault: 11 (core dumped) > >> > Here's what did it for me : > remove the following lines from /usr/ports/textproc/libxml2/files/patch-configure and rebuild+reinstall libxml2 > @@ -20678,6 +20679,8 @@ fi > fi > fi > ;; > + *freebsd*) THREAD_LIBS="" > + ;; > esac > if test "$WITH_THREADS" = "1" ; then > THREAD_CFLAGS="$THREAD_CFLAGS -D_REENTRANT" > I found this somewhere but cannot remember the thread url unfortunately... Brillant! It fixed the issue, many thanks. CC'ing both ports manager (pecl-imagick and libxml2). It would be nice if this could be fixed in the ports tree directly: are these patch lines still required by other packages? Regards, Olivier PS: something probably related is visable under http://forums.freebsd.org/archive/index.php/t-8965.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 14:56:37 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476961065675 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:56:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from om-lists-bsd@omx.ch) Received: from omicron.omnis.ch (omicron.omnis.ch [62.48.3.130]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F13E8FC18 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:56:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 38460 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2010 14:56:34 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.40] ([195.134.148.35]) by omicron.omnis.ch ([62.48.3.130]) with ESMTP via TCP; 16 Nov 2010 14:56:34 -0000 From: Olivier Mueller To: Alex Dupre In-Reply-To: <4CE2939E.80903@FreeBSD.org> References: <1242763051.5505.18.camel@frosch.omx.ch> <47e01da70905240107u6baf7e44pb9e46f8d6952de70@mail.gmail.com> <1277196339.16778.20.camel@ompc.insign.local> <1289520291.22576.5.camel@frosch.omx.ch> <1289917066.5416.13.camel@frosch.omx.ch> <4CE2939E.80903@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 15:56:33 +0100 Message-Id: <1289919393.5416.23.camel@frosch.omx.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.24.1.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ports@freebsd.org, anray@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-questions Subject: Re: [solved] Re: [freebsd] pecl-imagick -> Segmentation fault: 11 (core dumped) on php -i under freebsd 7.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:56:37 -0000 Hi Alex, thanks for this even better feedback. On Tue, 2010-11-16 at 15:22 +0100, Alex Dupre wrote: > This is not the correct fix, the correct "fix" is to enable threads in > php, using the appropriate OPTION. Ok, so probably this one: LINKTHR=off (default) "Link thread lib (for threaded extensions)" -> on Is there any chance this will have other consequences (problems, incompatibilities with other php/pecl extensions) ? Or why is this off by default ? 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It fixed the issue, many thanks. This is not the correct fix, the correct "fix" is to enable threads in php, using the appropriate OPTION. -- Alex Dupre From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 17:32:54 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB2FC106572C for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 17:32:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B0A8FC1D for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 17:32:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PIPOn-0003ra-36 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:32:53 +0100 Received: from cpe-188-129-85-22.dynamic.amis.hr ([188.129.85.22]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:32:52 +0100 Received: from ivoras by cpe-188-129-85-22.dynamic.amis.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:32:52 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:32:42 +0100 Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <4CE145C5.8040602@midsummerdream.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpe-188-129-85-22.dynamic.amis.hr User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101102 Thunderbird/3.1.6 In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: ZFS and 4k sector drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 17:32:55 -0000 On 11/15/10 20:24, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> work with ZFS raidz2 pools. It seems that most of the 4k sector drives >> are using emulation, and reporting 512 byte sectors to the OS instead >> of their native 4k size. I know someone who had an issue trying to >> insert one of these drives into a running ZFS pool with other 512 byte >> sector drives with bad results. > > ZFS use 4k blocks. Actually, no, it's much worse: ZFS uses variable block size upto 128 KiB, meaning not only does it not write or align data on a sensible boundary like 4 KiB, both its metadata and data IO can write on any offset and length which is a multiple of 512 bytes. References: http://www.solarismen.de/archives/5-Solaris-and-the-new-4K-Sector-Disks-e.g.-WDxxEARS-Part-2.html http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.freebsd.devel.geom/4318 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 18:19:51 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E2CB1065670 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:19:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pigskinwhitehat@icqmail.com) Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (imr-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C86D8FC14 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:19:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id oAGI9ZIe018937 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:09:35 -0500 Received: from pigskinwhitehat@icqmail.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id n.e30.8afb711 (43890) for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:09:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-dc05.mx.aol.com (v129.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC053-5bc04ce2c8dacf; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:09:32 -0500 Received: from Webmail-m114 (webmail-m114.sim.aol.com [64.12.232.230]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v129.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA037-5bc04ce2c8dacf; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:09:30 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:09:30 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 71.77.39.64 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: pigskinwhitehat@icqmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: Webmail 32843-STANDARD Received: from 71.77.39.64 by Webmail-m114.sysops.aol.com (64.12.232.230) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:09:30 -0500 Message-Id: <8CD53D08C773B3C-2350-246C3@Webmail-m114.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-SENDER: pigskinwhitehat@icqmail.com X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:36:14 +0000 Subject: *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_8 in both standard-supfile and stable-supfile X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:19:51 -0000 I was wondering why both the stable & standard supfiles on FreeBSD-8.1=20 / amd64 both have the exact release tag: *default release=3Dcvs tag=3DRELENG_8 Shouldn't they be different? What would be the correct tab for each=20 supfile respectively? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 18:39:22 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F8481065672 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:39:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhelfman@experts-exchange.com) Received: from mail.experts-exchange.com (mail.experts-exchange.com [72.29.183.251]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B1538FC0A for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.experts-exchange.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.experts-exchange.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F35BC743765; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:39:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=e-e.com; h= user-agent:in-reply-to:content-disposition:content-type :content-type:mime-version:references:message-id:subject:subject :from:from:date:date:received:received:received; s=ee; t= 1289932761; x=1291747161; bh=ONKmXVxPF7qN4ZAbsUpS1OYBi5v/xarsiMX PUJtE0Lk=; b=pBz8hAt1v4vbmE65CKLkeb/JvqdV0rzrWEpVSoz+I61BmxKpP2F Y6uUY1GU9Xpa5bvZ3TEkKzDBqA3hent4Ljqw2ScIVf+P+SW+jgQfF5Ze4jqnbpK8 WK9YPpaPVIs+jQdJiYPTE7YTBVN0RquWZxE+JZyTp6rin+lKaHE4ZS1k= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at experts-exchange.com Received: from mail.experts-exchange.com ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.experts-exchange.com (mail.experts-exchange.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8zVCdJnbB3c3; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:39:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from experts-exchange.com (unknown [192.168.103.122]) by mail.experts-exchange.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BC8517435D5; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:39:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (nullmailer pid 15934 invoked by uid 1001); Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:36:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:36:22 -0800 From: Jason Helfman To: pigskinwhitehat@icqmail.com Message-ID: <20101116183621.GB15868@eggman.experts-exchange.com> References: <8CD53D08C773B3C-2350-246C3@Webmail-m114.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8CD53D08C773B3C-2350-246C3@Webmail-m114.sysops.aol.com> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE X-Living-The-Dream: I love the SLO Life! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_8 in both standard-supfile and stable-supfile X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:39:22 -0000 On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 01:09:30PM -0500, pigskinwhitehat@icqmail.com thus spake: >I was wondering why both the stable & standard supfiles on FreeBSD-8.1 >/ amd64 both have the exact release tag: > >*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_8 From: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/cvs-tags.html RELENG_8 The line of development for FreeBSD-8.X, also known as FreeBSD 8-STABLE > >Shouldn't they be different? What would be the correct tab for each >supfile respectively? Since 8.0 and 8.1 fall under 8.x, I would think this is by design according to the documentation. -jgh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 18:42:51 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62505106564A for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:42:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00EA78FC19 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb35 with SMTP id 35so188150wyb.13 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:42:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.154.193 with SMTP id h43mr530973wek.69.1289932968795; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:42:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.204.149 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:42:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8CD53D08C773B3C-2350-246C3@Webmail-m114.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD53D08C773B3C-2350-246C3@Webmail-m114.sysops.aol.com> From: Chris Brennan Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:42:28 -0500 Message-ID: To: pigskinwhitehat@icqmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_8 in both standard-supfile and stable-supfile X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:42:51 -0000 On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 1:09 PM, wrote: > I was wondering why both the stable & standard supfiles on FreeBSD-8.1 / > amd64 both have the exact release tag: > > *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_8 > > Shouldn't they be different? What would be the correct tab for each supfile > respectively? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > IIRC, you could do RELENG_8_1, for ex: *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7_3 is the tag on my currently running 7.3 box and *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_8_1 is on my 8.1 box. I didn't notice defaults perse but copied my working csup-standard file to the new box and updated the tag as necessary and was off on my merry way. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 18:46:13 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FAA51065670 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:46:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDFE48FC0C for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:46:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywa8 with SMTP id 8so594146ywa.13 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:46:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc :content-type; bh=Jj5/FDS6gg9CNGIj3dwtCqNwO3wK2d3ga3SPpTkVEbk=; b=LnYdqK09hdFvpdfskByR83ZZf5u9UMEXKDebTKSNsr51P+VaaRz6ei9Te4M6adg+xh t7htCR+5DkRwenz0/37aU5fyGkNfCH0NpjI0ljI2m9td+r8V7VomyG/xGqs9mkjyXBn6 p4+X/rN1zZg8PZFuWHmhsB5ZNiczqzypUetwg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; b=M8NzIQ1G3mvwAQVmSkI/dBN+nD83QxqG+IvHJM7UgSOiS3+5GVu0qUWef/BPZQX/2H bUxQ83NWlhKiaJo1O6czlOUWim1nqEGC9CuaE/RRUSUojeH/U+KqWatpb4EbXD7CHSq3 OGA075N3R+Hr7c0WlBZ5WUrgXzmvoVzaYTi8g= Received: by 10.204.72.6 with SMTP id k6mr7850923bkj.58.1289933171372; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:46:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.52.19 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:45:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8CD53D08C773B3C-2350-246C3@Webmail-m114.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD53D08C773B3C-2350-246C3@Webmail-m114.sysops.aol.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:45:29 +0000 Message-ID: To: pigskinwhitehat@icqmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_8 in both standard-supfile and stable-supfile X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:46:13 -0000 On 16 November 2010 18:09, wrote: > I was wondering why both the stable & standard supfiles on FreeBSD-8.1 / > amd64 both have the exact release tag: > > *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_8 > > Shouldn't they be different? What would be the correct tab for each supfile > respectively? On my machine, it's not; they're different (and I have RELENG_8_1). However, if you checkout RELENG_8 then standard-supfile will be for RELENG_8 which is the same for STABLE, so I assume you've actually checked out RELENG_8, not RELENG_8_1. Were you to checkout RELENG_8_1 you'd have that tag in standard-supfile. If you get what I mean... I'm supposed to be a teacher too! Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 19:09:21 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92132106566C for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 19:09:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@insightbb.com) Received: from mxsf11.insightbb.com (mxsf11.insightbb.com [74.128.0.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F34F8FC14 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 19:09:21 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,207,1288584000"; d="scan'208";a="253246826" Received: from unknown (HELO asav02.insightbb.com) ([172.31.249.123]) by mxsf11.insightbb.com with ESMTP; 16 Nov 2010 14:09:20 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Avc6ACNl4kxKgCiCO2dsb2JhbACIG4xEjgAMAQEBATUtwBWCFYM2BIRa X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,207,1288584000"; d="scan'208";a="411845942" Received: from 74-128-40-130.dhcp.insightbb.com (HELO laptop2.stevenfriedrich.org) ([74.128.40.130]) by asavout02.manage.insightbb.com with ESMTP; 16 Nov 2010 14:09:20 -0500 From: Steven Friedrich To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:09:18 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.1-RELEASE-p1; KDE/4.5.3; i386; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201011161409.18893.FreeBSD@insightbb.com> Subject: Does MAC version of iTunes work on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 19:09:21 -0000 -- System Name: laptop2.StevenFriedrich.org Hardware: 2.80GHz Intel Pentium 4 (HTT) with 2 GB memory OS version: FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE-p1 i386 (6.4 MB kernel) manager(s): kde4-4.5.3 X windows: xorg-7.5 X.Org X Server 1.7.5 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 19:23:42 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1118106564A; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 19:23:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FCA68FC12; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 19:23:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws4 with SMTP id 4so527795vws.13 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 11:23:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=QDP92qQcnq4B5+9+/tKwQYSJ4JpdB0JNG3Sr4Us5hGM=; b=v/iJ7RYivxhV/EKqzcOpxkQBxE5ZBwm7RkW8pUTcbJt+kmPO4wS8Zl989Ju5lceBOF 9yf9jN085Nj4ahw3/8ZSVXulnYOcbzwq0AYXSEkInypJbCpPv/mHu3wrCVY7a8106GXv 4AiGWU+QnEpzjsnUt1L3Ey+n0QEHM8+npHTIQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=xTlSHKgLRDkIp1Rtm+SNu9qHtkwvTEKjSyEyXEaFlS6U9cztBEMXcMibvvEbKurFI5 z4Xxsk2Y/eS3Xibq2YZTs4RMzR8rlNRPrDbpYh5a5ZxCGM53KqOH+lnELnGU8ra0KM/W 5vg+PEkl2WplYoDrT5TlpvbgT14r+qoBEUWFw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.79.13 with SMTP id n13mr5669716fak.139.1289935421031; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 11:23:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.121.138 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 11:23:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <84607C0F-183F-455A-B37A-B08030C01A9D@boosten.org> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:23:40 -0600 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Ivan Voras Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 19:23:42 -0000 On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Ivan Voras wrote: > Actually, I don't see anything incorrect in the above archive post. > I do. Cherry picking ZFS deficiencies without addressing the proper documented way to work around them or at even acknowledging it's possible to do so is FUD. It's not like traditional RAID doesn't have it's own set of gotcha's and proper usage environment. Dismissing the value of checksumming your data seems foolhardy to say the least. The place where silent data corruption most frequently occurs, in large archive type filesystems, also happens to be one of the prime usage candidates of RAIDZ. > > As for specific problems with ZFS, I'm also pessimistic right now - it's > enough to read the freebsd-fs @ freebsd.org and zfs-discuss @ > opensolaris.org lists to see that there are frequent problems and > outstanding issues. You can almost grep for people losing data on ZFS > weekly. Compare this to the volume of complaints about UFS in both OSes > (almost none). > There are actually very few stories of ZFS/zpool loss on the FreeBSD list(some are misidentifications of issues like this: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-fs/2010-September/009417.html), another source I would point you to is http://forums.freebsd.org/. The single recent valid one I can find involves a pool on geli, but I will grant you that it happens at all is quite disconcerting. There have been a lot of other ZFS issues ranging from performance, NFS troubles, quirks on storage controllers not present when using UFS, to other as-yet unexplained oddities. Many of these are corner cases, and I think they have mostly been resolved. If you've happened to encouter one, I'm sure it's left a sour taste though. UFS has it's own set of issues/limitations so regardless of what you pick make sure you're aware of them and take issues to address them before problems occur. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 19:26:23 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 509E0106566B for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 19:26:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvidican@m2.vidican.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D748FC18 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 19:26:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyb7 with SMTP id 7so564955eyb.13 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 11:26:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.173.79 with SMTP id u57mr7014341wel.40.1289935581477; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 11:26:21 -0800 (PST) Sender: nvidican@m2.vidican.com Received: by 10.216.234.217 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 11:26:21 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [136.1.1.105] In-Reply-To: <201011161409.18893.FreeBSD@insightbb.com> References: <201011161409.18893.FreeBSD@insightbb.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:26:21 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: GGzsO37kljPq6mpRVjMQQ04CzMs Message-ID: From: Nathan Vidican To: Steven Friedrich Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does MAC version of iTunes work on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 19:26:23 -0000 On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Steven Friedrich w= rote: > > -- > System Name: =A0 laptop2.StevenFriedrich.org > Hardware: =A0 =A0 =A02.80GHz Intel Pentium 4 (HTT) with 2 GB memory > OS version: =A0 =A0FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE-p1 i386 (6.4 MB kernel) > manager(s): =A0 =A0kde4-4.5.3 > X windows: =A0 =A0 xorg-7.5 =A0 =A0X.Org X Server 1.7.5 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" No. The Mac version of iTunes depends on the Cocoa application framework, which is a set of Objective C objects that, as far as I am aware of, has no compatible framework under FreeBSD. -- Nathan Vidican nathan@vidican.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 19:38:51 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B6311065672 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 19:38:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6FFF8FC21 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 19:38:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so645954gxk.13 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 11:38:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BZ2nHNRZ0NC4YFJAyRnFstVFqTY3fVpusk9VWd0MjaY=; b=YZ+QibqRzgP60gCo6/u/rzi+IaSkjt6V1TWnepWe8MtUFEiRn/rPYw2bTZQYtDTJs1 kc0dgqdl230ngYWMiROgB0OG99rHCyWCcGCzx8vqQoa8hULdWQYrp58kIXSH4H7gVX60 /0m3T0q7duNFM+pWiwPv6Rtk2x5FOIK0Y388E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vA7dYMMpAG1g5UujH/CZzXKUCurNZO7mgsUTqZYccuMlDS+SANcgv4di+DO/RpDFEI xAT/eXJInp65Wmpj4WjGQU9QBT64tpMtSDkH6cqQO2rzp+mX8Vm+CwnT6pBDytUH8s+g eM1pNcMMjYwVbAnjfJ1b3U9Tup40vTZJBbcvM= Received: by 10.204.119.134 with SMTP id z6mr2393176bkq.166.1289936329552; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 11:38:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.52.19 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 11:38:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201011161409.18893.FreeBSD@insightbb.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 19:38:19 +0000 Message-ID: To: Nathan Vidican Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Steven Friedrich , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does MAC version of iTunes work on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 19:38:51 -0000 On 16 November 2010 19:26, Nathan Vidican wrote: > On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Steven Friedrich = wrote: >> >> -- >> System Name: =A0 laptop2.StevenFriedrich.org >> Hardware: =A0 =A0 =A02.80GHz Intel Pentium 4 (HTT) with 2 GB memory >> OS version: =A0 =A0FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE-p1 i386 (6.4 MB kernel) >> manager(s): =A0 =A0kde4-4.5.3 >> X windows: =A0 =A0 xorg-7.5 =A0 =A0X.Org X Server 1.7.5 > > No. The Mac version of iTunes depends on the Cocoa application > framework, which is a set of Objective C objects that, as far as I am > aware of, has no compatible framework under FreeBSD. > > -- > Nathan Vidican > nathan@vidican.com Neither does the Windows version. http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=3Dapplication&iId=3D1347 You could however try gtkpod, rhythmbox or Amarok if your goal is to sync your iPod. Also, please don't write X windows, its name is the X Window System [1]. Chris [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System#Nomenclature From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 20:16:31 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5C4B1065673 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 20:16:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from tensor.gdynia.pl (tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 588DC8FC1A for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 20:16:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAGKGSuv006654; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 21:16:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oAGKGSQe006651; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 21:16:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 21:16:28 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Ivan Voras In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <4CE145C5.8040602@midsummerdream.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS and 4k sector drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 20:16:32 -0000 i was sure it have variable sizes but multiplies of 4k, anyway i dont care ;) using 32 or 64K blocks (means 4 or 8K fragments) with UFS and full disks, or partitions aligned to 4K solves all problems From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 20:32:19 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DFFE1065679 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 20:32:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from appdebgr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pv0-f182.google.com (mail-pv0-f182.google.com [74.125.83.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E64278FC12 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 20:32:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pvc22 with SMTP id 22so388890pvc.13 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:32:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=vycrO8Z+8C8Dn0nXzH02O1KGG2fPfuA853+aVcIGS6c=; b=jP7t7kXxKYw40UXlGpdgMXMuWOn4T6z92SzfqA0ppMjjevCKtFSpE6jhbkbyDCjV+N PNC0pKmJkscWDRdglOHm0t6ocxZudeYVDXu5BdU7XDuU8vC5IWOulefyHeG+nTX9+3Nl cP0HkX9gxOLEpvzYf+7hChWeSOoHhlqWQdWxE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=U/tczN6LMTCAOBgr9K4zY9j490N1eyJSEosg0+SgbvYdLKQYzowCnuxfBs9Bmtmhvq mdKt6ZvN+gH+qqCn/OhXyTbOEKXPIhSzjXFXnv361aObbh1lLLnrEApF0OvDMlTssJkA /KKuj2kB09FQ1cXNwTGXHSc8NnHVmOaXaDYDk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.182.79 with SMTP id cb15mr6272015qcb.173.1289939537087; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:32:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.248.132 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:32:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 22:32:16 +0200 Message-ID: From: App Deb To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Modulok Subject: Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 20:32:19 -0000 On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > no. ZFS is not usable and will never be usable for anything more than a toy. > This is a result of that design. Actually I find the basics of its design pretty simple (cow/txg/zil) and for that reason I think it is going to become very robust in the near future, if it isn't already. What is complex is the various journal and soft-updates code that traditional file systems use. But yes it has performance problems in some workloads and needs more cpu/ram than usual. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 20:33:14 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9CC71065670 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 20:33:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toomas.aas@raad.tartu.ee) Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee (kuller.raad.tartu.ee [213.184.43.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F0808FC1F for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 20:33:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id B22173984C for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 22:17:02 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at post.raad.tartu.ee Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee ([127.0.0.1]) by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (kuller.raad.tartu.ee [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id jRhnfYGPr-Vd for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 22:17:01 +0200 (EET) Received: by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (Postfix, from userid 80) id 7EA6939871; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 22:17:01 +0200 (EET) Received: from 179.37.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee (179.37.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee [90.190.37.179]) by webmail.raad.tartu.ee (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 22:17:01 +0200 Message-ID: <20101116221701.992236aw0tf36su8@webmail.raad.tartu.ee> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 22:17:01 +0200 From: Toomas Aas To: questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.7) X-Originating-IP: 90.190.37.179 Cc: Subject: Rebuilding perl with threads X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 20:33:14 -0000 Hello! I'm in a process of installing a new server. I have already built and installed a lot of ports over the past weeks, and now that I'm almost done I discovered that one of the last things I need to install (misc/amanda-server) needs Perl installed with threads support, whereas I have it installed without threads. For this kind of change, is it safe to reinstall just the Perl port, or do I also need to rebuild all ports that depend on Perl? That would be a *lot* of rebuilding. The version I currently have installed is perl-5.12.2_2, lang/perl5.12 seems to currently be at 5.12_4. -- Toomas Aas From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 20:38:15 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9717A1065673 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 20:38:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 586678FC16 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 20:38:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (mailhost3.waddell.com [10.1.10.28]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7D13509D2; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:38:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id A9E363C6D5; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:38:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com (wadphtcas0.waddell.com [192.168.203.229]) by mailhost3.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5493C326; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:38:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from WADPMBXV0.waddell.com ([169.254.1.151]) by WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com ([192.168.203.229]) with mapi; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:38:04 -0600 From: Gary Gatten To: 'App Deb' , Wojciech Puchar Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:38:04 -0600 Thread-Topic: Is ZFS ready for prime time? Thread-Index: AcuFzYAQNDQ8QZDFTaCYxgx/i7OLAAAAB++w Message-ID: <7107_1289939884_4CE2EBAC_7107_2973_3_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C8E@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , Modulok Subject: RE: Is ZFS ready for prime time? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 20:38:15 -0000 ... Actually I find the basics of its design pretty simple (cow/txg/zil) and for that reason I think it is going to become very robust in the near future, if it isn't already. What is complex is the various journal and soft-updates code that traditional file systems use. But yes it has performance problems in some workloads and needs more cpu/ram than usual. ... All I know is the DOW is down almost 200 pts, so ZFS isn't a real priority = for me right now. Novell v4+ FS was / is the best ever - period! If only they would make it = OSS! Gary PS: Yes, I'm blowing on the flames... -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@f= reebsd.org] On Behalf Of App Deb Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 2:32 PM To: Wojciech Puchar Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Modulok Subject: Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time? On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > no. ZFS is not usable and will never be usable for anything more than a t= oy. > This is a result of that design. _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 21:02:55 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 146D71065670 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 21:02:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF1268FC13 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 21:02:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so727290gxk.13 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:02:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=w7eIZevwljRpvVeL7mAG8FLldhmkOlje633zTJR9MVY=; b=vx0/HrpTslQ4Rflr3US3Ktguyk2RDTHcL2UkA/ti/Ypr5yenq/qb6eqKLF5U/6tFc5 7rgUmMQdnruz4oLzsExVXSL23jRzAx5dAlIIQxJNmnOZ5Uls4CgDQhIzjc6SJ/58KSQ5 JmgFd/uOpj/MfUAunAfKrBpvodrQFDFmk+aAU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=pt4TD4Cec1Xx3a7FVxzIhbpGJC4MRutSbhebFLSMqmHlMfgBx1K/yeKx8afZ7d1Jkw M1YcbNJclpSoL39MRodpwEIi6rR1M0NeVhN9xDGkrIVZvu5DECb/F3LEAbMWitFzyymm g9c1RpB+K5WisYP1ISV6DD+XLvAmvR1x+ZAaQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.27.9 with SMTP id d9mr745207wea.44.1289941372691; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:02:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.72.148 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:02:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <8CD53D08C773B3C-2350-246C3@Webmail-m114.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 21:02:52 +0000 Message-ID: From: krad To: utisoft@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, pigskinwhitehat@icqmail.com Subject: Re: *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_8 in both standard-supfile and stable-supfile X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 21:02:55 -0000 On 16 November 2010 18:45, Chris Rees wrote: > On 16 November 2010 18:09, wrote: > > I was wondering why both the stable & standard supfiles on FreeBSD-8.1 / > > amd64 both have the exact release tag: > > > > *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_8 > > > > Shouldn't they be different? What would be the correct tab for each > supfile > > respectively? > > On my machine, it's not; they're different (and I have RELENG_8_1). > > However, if you checkout RELENG_8 then standard-supfile will be for > RELENG_8 which is the same for STABLE, so I assume you've actually > checked out RELENG_8, not RELENG_8_1. Were you to checkout RELENG_8_1 > you'd have that tag in standard-supfile. > > If you get what I mean... I'm supposed to be a teacher too! > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > there does seem to be a bit of duplication going on here, which could cause confusion. Maybe we could have a security sup file that has the relevant tag for the release # grep -v "#" /usr/share/examples/cvsup/stable-supfile *default host=CHANGE_THIS.FreeBSD.org *default base=/var/db *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_8 *default delete use-rel-suffix *default compress src-all # grep -v "#" /usr/share/examples/cvsup/standard-supfile *default host=CHANGE_THIS.FreeBSD.org *default base=/var/db *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_8 *default delete use-rel-suffix *default compress src-all From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 22:56:14 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC11106566C for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 22:56:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from cp-out8.libero.it (cp-out8.libero.it [212.52.84.108]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 824AC8FC1B for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 22:56:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from soth.ventu (151.51.43.12) by cp-out8.libero.it (8.5.107) id 4CDBE27C00DF96F6 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 23:56:13 +0100 Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.ventu [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAGMu7lY098898 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 23:56:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Message-ID: <4CE30C07.2090006@netfence.it> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 23:56:07 +0100 From: Andrea Venturoli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; it-IT; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101028 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.1.2.13 Subject: X resolution X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 22:56:15 -0000 Hello. I've configured my X to use a 1600x1200 resolution (or so I thought...). It used to work until the last X.Org upgrade; after that it *usually* worked: very rarely it would start at 2048x1536, but a couple of Ctrl-Alt-Backspace was normally enough. Since a couple of day, it always start at 2048x1536, and there is no way to get 1600x1200 unless I login and change resolution afterwards (which is however enought to mess all my KDE fonts up). I've got this in my xorg.conf: Section "Screen" Identifier "SyncMaster" Device "Card0" Monitor "SyncMaster" SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 32 Modes "1600x1200" EndSubSection EndSection Is it ok? Any other hint? Of course I can provide full xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log, but they are quite long... Card is a Radeon HD 4200. bye & Thanks av. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 16 23:01:19 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CDD5106566C for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 23:01:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gustafson.erik@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C288FC1B for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 23:01:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk7 with SMTP id 7so1278484qyk.13 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 15:01:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=JbhoccfGsUTiNC9hUKG+CY5LyXvsepyyHWOA3YcAT1o=; b=WNftNSf0peFxt8fbgkrz/mVcbkPXy0qDhE9PEnGdmm2rL84Z6VFODVpNeaYUGq6Z2k 1e/EiOh3LODgYU/w0qPAXy0+4e1OAmADZ4DYPMJAbkBc2So1sJP475iHdo9N4Y8QxFq4 qZYtoYP9IYPPPVIV+/WXQvqzag6ZsljanMUxg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=j/q4DTE2PGiXRmJu6VBdRI/jU91Mo282iA3KkEyIHxUH7waE/U/6yIXHVdGmHG9VH7 9J5FClfZSZxozZElV+7VQG4ZeAHq0J3KsyhURUJ9XgV0QsrnoXiC5KLYlB3KXWw/2OWr Nvi7eehfJ9gmsMuD9ShO7AyAhqgrShLkgeN+4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.224.196 with SMTP id ip4mr6393247qcb.169.1289946609240; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:30:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.51.68 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:30:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 23:30:09 +0100 Message-ID: From: Erik Gustafson To: FreeBSD Mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)' X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 23:01:19 -0000 On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 5:17 AM, b. f. wrote: > Chris Brennan wrote: > ... >>My Hiccup as the subject suggests is about my Wireless Card. >>I have been following the handbook ( >>http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/config-network-setup.html) on how to = use >>64-bit Windows drivers coupled w/ ndisgen to get my wireless card working= . I >>got ndisgen to generate a kernel module but it immediately caused my lapt= op >>to reboot when the kernel was loaded. This left me scratching my head. I >>think I might need firmware (I remember having to extract firmware from t= he >>driver for linux). >> >>pciconf shows the following: >> >>[root at BlackDragon [~]# pciconf -lv | grep -A3 0x4315 >>none8 at pci0:8:0:0: =A0 =A0 =A0 class=3D0x028000 card=3D0x137c103c chip= =3D0x431514e4 >>rev=3D0x01 hdr=3D0x00 >> =A0 =A0vendor =A0 =A0 =3D 'Broadcom Corporation' >> =A0 =A0device =A0 =A0 =3D 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)' >> =A0 =A0class =A0 =A0 =A0=3D network >>[root at BlackDragon [~]# >> >>The laptop is an HP dv2845SE and it's running FreebSD64-8.1. Let me know = if >>I missed anything. > > I'm assuming that by "FreebSD64", you mean the amd64 version of > FreeBSD. =A0Have you tried using a recent version of the native bwn(4) > driver, together with the net/bwn-firmware-kmod port, rather than > ndis(4)? > > > b. Don't know about amd64 but on i386 it works* with siba_bwn-driver. siba_bwn0@pci0:16:0:0: class=3D0x028000 card=3D0x137d103c chip=3D0x431514e= 4 rev=3D0x01 hdr=3D0x00 vendor =3D 'Broadcom Corporation' device =3D 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)' class =3D network FreeBSD flapbsd 8.1-STABLE FreeBSD 8.1-STABLE #0: Tue Jul 27 23:05:54 CEST 2010 root@flapbsd:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/FLAPBSD i386 Id Refs Address Size Name 1 23 0xc0400000 811778 kernel 2 1 0xc0c12000 2d8f0 linux.ko 3 1 0xc0c40000 371d4 if_bwn.ko 4 2 0xc0c78000 a1dc siba_bwn.ko 5 1 0xc5ef4000 2c000 bwn_v4_lp_ucode15 6 1 0xc617c000 9000 i915.ko 7 1 0xc6185000 14000 drm.ko works*: I have problems reassociating after suspend to ram/hibernate This card worked through ndis on freebsd7/i386. /E From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 00:10:31 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C87CC106564A for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 00:10:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43ED38FC15 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 00:10:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PIVba-00038C-4F for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 01:10:30 +0100 Received: from cpe-188-129-85-22.dynamic.amis.hr ([188.129.85.22]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 01:10:30 +0100 Received: from ivoras by cpe-188-129-85-22.dynamic.amis.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 01:10:30 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 01:10:15 +0100 Lines: 73 Message-ID: References: <84607C0F-183F-455A-B37A-B08030C01A9D@boosten.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpe-188-129-85-22.dynamic.amis.hr User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101102 Thunderbird/3.1.6 In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 00:10:31 -0000 On 11/16/10 20:23, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Ivan Voras wrote: > >> Actually, I don't see anything incorrect in the above archive post. >> > > I do. Cherry picking ZFS deficiencies without addressing the proper > documented way to work around them or at even acknowledging it's possible to > do so is FUD. It's not like traditional RAID doesn't have it's own set of > gotcha's and proper usage environment. Well, you are also doing cherry picking of *good* features so I'd say there's no conceptual difference here :) NHF, I'm not attacking you; as with everything else, people need to test technologies they are going to use and decide if they are good enough. > Dismissing the value of checksumming your data seems foolhardy to say the > least. The place where silent data corruption most frequently occurs, in > large archive type filesystems, also happens to be one of the prime usage > candidates of RAIDZ. Now if only the default checksum wasn't so weak: http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=69655&tstart=30 http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6740597 There are no details about its "fixed" status so I think the problem is still there. (of course, stronger options are available, etc. - and it's better than nothing) >> As for specific problems with ZFS, I'm also pessimistic right now - it's >> enough to read the freebsd-fs @ freebsd.org and zfs-discuss @ >> opensolaris.org lists to see that there are frequent problems and >> outstanding issues. You can almost grep for people losing data on ZFS >> weekly. Compare this to the volume of complaints about UFS in both OSes >> (almost none). >> > > There are actually very few stories of ZFS/zpool loss on the FreeBSD > list(some are misidentifications of issues like this: > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-fs/2010-September/009417.html), > another source I would point you to is http://forums.freebsd.org/. The > single recent valid one I can find involves a pool on geli, but I will grant > you that it happens at all is quite disconcerting. Yes, especially since GELI is very sensitive to corruption. But I'm also counting cases like the inability to replace a drive which failed, log device corruptions and similar things which will, if not result in a totally broken file system, result in a file system which is wedged in a way that requires it to be re-created. In many of those, though, it's not clear if the error is in ZFS or FreeBSD. > UFS has it's own set of > issues/limitations so regardless of what you pick make sure you're aware of > them and take issues to address them before problems occur. Of course, UFS *is* old and "classical" in its implementation - it would be just as wrong to expect fancy features from UFS like to expect such time-tested stability from ZFS. And new technologies need time to settle down: there are still occasional reports of SUJ problems. Personally, I have encountered only stability issues and currently have only one server with ZFS in production (reduction from several of them about a year ago), but I'm constantly testing it in staging. If the v28 import doesn't destabilize it in 9, I'm going to give it another chance. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 00:15:25 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 082EC106566B for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 00:15:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD8608FC0A for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 00:15:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAH0FNhc036964; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 17:15:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oAH0FNJ5036961; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 17:15:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 17:15:23 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Andrea Venturoli In-Reply-To: <4CE30C07.2090006@netfence.it> Message-ID: References: <4CE30C07.2090006@netfence.it> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 16 Nov 2010 17:15:23 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X resolution X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 00:15:25 -0000 On Tue, 16 Nov 2010, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > Hello. > > I've configured my X to use a 1600x1200 resolution (or so I thought...). > It used to work until the last X.Org upgrade; after that it *usually* worked: > very rarely it would start at 2048x1536, but a couple of Ctrl-Alt-Backspace > was normally enough. > > Since a couple of day, it always start at 2048x1536, and there is no way to > get 1600x1200 unless I login and change resolution afterwards (which is > however enought to mess all my KDE fonts up). It sounds like the EDID information isn't always working. Check your video cable to see if a pin is bent over, or try a different one. > I've got this in my xorg.conf: > > Section "Screen" > Identifier "SyncMaster" > Device "Card0" > Monitor "SyncMaster" > SubSection "Display" > Viewport 0 0 > Depth 32 > Modes "1600x1200" > EndSubSection > EndSection 32 is not a valid depth, according to xorg.conf(5). > Of course I can provide full xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log, but they are quite > long... xorg.conf is usually not a problem. Log files can be posted on the web somewhere, like pastebin.com. > Card is a Radeon HD 4200. What is the monitor? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 04:36:11 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BC24106566B for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 04:36:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tom@diogunix.com) Received: from mail.kepos.org (mail.kepos.org [64.120.5.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0AF08FC08 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 04:36:10 +0000 (UTC) From: "tom@diogunix.com" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 05:35:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201011170535.46151.tom@diogunix.com> Subject: ejabberd won't startup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 04:36:11 -0000 Hi everybody dealing with ejabberd and/or erlang in a FreeBSD8-Jail ! I've built the ejabberd port (with ODBC support / the Erlang MySQL driver) two days ago but can't get it to run. # ejabberdctl start spits out a huge bunch of Erlang error messages (unreadable for most humans), obviously saying that it can't connect properly to the loopback interface on Port 4369 (respectively connects but then immediately stops, causing a crash dump and not able to "register it's node"). Tcpdump shows 8 pakets captured when pointing to the lo0 interface. The jail is an ordinary Jail with no special configuration (just 1 IP and a proper hostname, running Postfix/Dovecot with MySQL just fine). PF or it's ruleset too seems not to be the cause as Erlang's behaviour is the same even with a switched off PF. Restarting the Jail and triple-checking it's parameters did not help too. As the error can be reproduced solely with Erlang (without even starting ejabberd), the ejabberd.cfg file however does not seem to play any role. I was told, this actually was an Erlang issue and so I first went to the Erlang folks (erlang mailing list). At least until now, they unfortunately could not help me making a real step. So, I got stuck and now am in search for people successfully running ejabberd in a Jail. I have seen reports from the web on success and even I too had a test installation in a Jail running half a year ago (unfortunately did not note all details before I wiped that testing machine). My suggestion is, it might have something to do with the file /usr/locaal/etc/ejabberd/inetrc (responsible for name resolution for Erlang) So, are there any Jail/ejabberd experts out there ? Or just people having it up and running ? kind regards Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 05:20:13 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F8CB106564A for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 05:20:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mfaircliff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D418FC19 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 05:20:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so1803399iwn.13 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 21:20:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=+BYvvVk/V8HVZIH/S/Ewu6zN1TwLry5DEdYJX7YzWec=; b=o9EdnLt47VJfS/OoZAIvyEkaVZDvrBEBmUsodViluxRZXPVQkOGCHoMOo0pCZRavE4 rV9pND7EdQ84yXUMaxDrS6Dx0/E2hNR1QIGKkKp2QOiSyGH4gI+NUacUsY+VtajlZSU7 5Zt+mmMX1qMT4Tmt5AWBeDpO3mFB4cr+Rg+II= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=RwfjGDKQjxz+VFF+Y9Fb8gwkBbrDw7XB5nBy02favYL95ll2gE9I2PaWsLHKgc+B4p +K0WuNrj+mZYnp+DAOgPTRKXZLQeVtvr2/AdCzsXkaqPUSKsEFFGgg95/TiQU/jZy389 kxC/mHbo8u+OYTld//nxDivuSJxAY1AtsQ7OE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.12.135 with SMTP id x7mr5587932ibx.0.1289969406029; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 20:50:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.37.198 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 20:50:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <350357563-1289691142-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-189470517-@bda115.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 06:50:05 +0200 Message-ID: From: Matthew Faircliff To: Aryeh Friedman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Rackspace Could X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 05:20:13 -0000 Try www.rootbsd.net - FreeBSD VM's backed by great service. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 07:37:53 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DA2B1065695 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 07:37:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from oceanpt.safeport.com (oceanpt.safeport.com [65.122.17.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF368FC17 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 07:37:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by oceanpt.safeport.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id oAH7bpc0077134 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 02:37:51 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 02:37:51 -0500 (EST) From: doug@safeport.com To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (oceanpt.safeport.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 17 Nov 2010 02:37:52 -0500 (EST) Cc: Subject: Building kdiff3 for kde 3.5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 07:37:53 -0000 Apparently only the version for kde4 is on the ports and I could not find a package for 3.5. Building the available source had some interesting results but ultimate did not work. What I finally did was google the 3.5 package name I had installed and found a copy at the University of Kent. There must be a better way to find older ports/packages. What should I have done? _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 09:08:47 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 425A8106566B for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 09:08:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hasanhasanli@mail.ru) Received: from fallback8.mail.ru (fallback8.mail.ru [94.100.176.136]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7408FC1F for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 09:08:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from f285.mail.ru (f285.mail.ru [217.69.128.252]) by fallback8.mail.ru (mPOP.Fallback_MX) with ESMTP id 006D1EDAFF for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:42:19 +0300 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mail.ru; s=mail; h=Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Reply-To:Date:Mime-Version:To:From; bh=/RnHs3CXSMHRNnVTCIr8rBw1oAfBhqalxB479/tYnpY=; b=aQjPHuapCkA4pM2dyi5XIQEOrS2+l0iEFXpXJpmlhRSlZf7MgKBJSXC6AVb8awUWhHoVU1idbPp8z0IQ+KJ1JkUfrjtEfIIRU5Llm0pedqmjW1F7Drci27i9gqXo5OOL; Received: from mail by f285.mail.ru with local id 1PIcen-0007n7-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:42:17 +0300 Received: from [85.132.24.46] by win.mail.ru with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:42:17 +0300 From: hasanhasanli Hasan To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 X-Originating-IP: unknown via proxy [85.132.24.46] Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:42:17 +0300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok Subject: (no subject) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: hasanhasanli Hasan List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 09:08:47 -0000 I have FreeBSD 7.3. How recover was deleted files in FreeBSD? Help me From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 09:42:09 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A4B4106566B for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 09:42:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4598FC1A for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 09:42:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-222.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.222]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC2B93D62E; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:42:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id oAH9g6X9010529; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:42:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:42:06 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20101117104206.95216e25.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: hasanhasanli Hasan Subject: Re: (no subject) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 09:42:09 -0000 On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:42:17 +0300, hasanhasanli Hasan wrote: > I have FreeBSD 7.3. How recover was deleted files in FreeBSD? Help me Due to the nature of the UFS file system, please note that recovering deleted files may be a VERY complicated process, and there is no way to totally make sure it will be successful. Having such a problem myself (accidentally deleted a whole subtree with video files), I would suggest you try the famous "The Sleuth Kit" from ports (sysutils/sleuthkit). After installing it, you'll find useful information in /usr/local/share/doc/sleuthkit/ref_fs.txt which contains a kind of recipe on how to recover files. It describes in detail what you can try. In any case, do NOT continue using the disk in question, the risk that files to be recovered getting overwritten is present. Make a copy of the partition in question (using dd) and work with the copy only. The recoverdisk program (/sbin/recoverdisk) comes with the base system and should also be mentioned. There are also commercial products (that often offer a free trial version) that allow such kind of recovery. Maybe you can try "File Restore Professional" and later on purchase it (demo version at www.pcrecovery.com available). Good luck! PS. Please use a *descriptive* subject line when posting to this list. This makes sure your message isn't overlooked or misidentified as spam. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 09:54:52 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA3D106564A for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 09:54:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nr1c0re@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D2298FC1F for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 09:54:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwd7 with SMTP id 7so616769qwd.13 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 01:54:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=8he3Xb2tgcAsmLALbjQu93BZOF2fSNqLDOqCw/VEaL8=; b=YE9hHGMqW/68IJrqZDRj0rF3eI+CXQSTgPoYe+ug9aTZHViGKhueM2J/mb3V1RUed8 1sz1A8ixMqjXjaz5WR6rs7NFGnElUuLbunKfay3ezG5XB6lvI4FLlRbwgbopOfY/2xeN KCvK/m412vWgqMzxjYx6mXEHJ9vMxamDajrJ8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=I3tGZMmyGdckwyXF5JsNC9xTzftoPyToCeVxVpItuthNfE9fwnn+M8VZa2rkEz3CFT fpK7Qn+6+3xZUrZfJlZbudg2Gc2VUDv4FecIXLZVO6JkJyoY/FTNCvAd1dBMTVNVeNqz ZpNcAmaiqo745HwfbWugAKheFyOX7HA46LJxc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.227.12 with SMTP id iy12mr7391584qcb.101.1289987690577; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 01:54:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.64.91 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 01:54:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1289922439.2570.157.camel@btw.pki2.com> References: <20101115090851.237f167b@scorpio> <20101115122428.294dde4f@scorpio> <1289922439.2570.157.camel@btw.pki2.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 12:54:50 +0300 Message-ID: From: c0re To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: openssl version - how to verify X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 09:54:52 -0000 2010/11/16 Dennis Glatting : > On Tue, 2010-11-16 at 10:28 +0300, c0re wrote: >> Jerry, I'm not about that :) base openssl are OK. But I need proves >> that it has got no security problems - it's external IT auditors >> request. >> And I'm interested how I can know what patchlevel there on base >> openssl version and prove them (auditors) that freebsd base openssl >> are not vulnerable. >> > > Most operating systems have a variant of OpenSSL they patch from the > security bug set without bumping the OpenSSL version identifier (they > usually tack on an OS-specific identifier but the OpenSSL identifier > becomes meaningless). For example Debian is a patched "g,"which you > would conclude as old (in many respects it is old) and therefore > security hole riddled. > > Debian 5.0.6: > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Tasha:# openssl version > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0OpenSSL 0.9.8g 19 Oct 2007 > > FreeBSD 8.1: > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0btw> openssl version > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0OpenSSL 0.9.8n 24 Mar 2010 > > That /does not/ mean those versions of OpenSSL have security holes. > > The fallacy with auditors is they look at version identifies to make > conclusions. This is in error. You need to figure out what they are > looking for. Do they have a specific issue? Bug? Test suite they want > run? > > You /could/ install the most recent version of OpenSSL but there is no > guarantee it will replace the running version and it /could/ break > applications, if only introducing holes that previously didn't exist > (data structure sizing, library binding, function argument sets, etc.) > > > > >> 2010/11/15 Jerry : >> > On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:40:27 +0300 >> > c0re articulated: >> > >> >> There are still too many broken ports with openssl from ports, I do >> >> not like debug it and really like to use base openssl, almost no >> >> difference. >> > >> > Might I suggest that if you are aware of ports that don't work >> > correctly with the port's version of openssl that you file a PR agains= t >> > it. I have done so and succeeded in getting several patches issued to >> > correct the problem. This problem will not go away by itself. >> > >> > -- >> > Jerry >> > FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net >> > >> > Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. >> > Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. >> > __________________________________________________________________ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebs= d.org" >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.= org" >> > > > I understood you. They just look at "openssl version" and that's all. I just install openssl from ports, hide /usr/bin/openssl temporary, they get all they needs (there is openssl in /usr/local/bin/) and then I deinstall openssl from ports and restore /usr/bin/openssl. That's absurdity, but that's auditors... :) Thanks all. It's hard to prove to auditors that base openssl are OK. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 10:16:49 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A10106564A for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:16:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from milu@dat.pl) Received: from jab.dat.pl (dat.pl [80.51.155.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A23C88FC15 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:16:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jab.dat.pl (jsrv.dat.pl [127.0.0.1]) by jab.dat.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB45D58 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:16:46 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at dat.pl Received: from jab.dat.pl ([127.0.0.1]) by jab.dat.pl (jab.dat.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id P-bmHNyyubCs for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:16:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from snifi.localnet (unknown [212.69.68.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by jab.dat.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 59B8A28 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:16:41 +0100 (CET) From: Maciej Milewski To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:17:01 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.35-ARCH; KDE/4.5.3; x86_64; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: X-KMail-Markup: true MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201011171117.01428.milu@dat.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Building kdiff3 for kde 3.5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:16:49 -0000 On Wednesday 17 November 2010 08:37:51, doug@safeport.com wrote: > Apparently only the version for kde4 is on the ports and I could not find= a > package for 3.5. Building the available source had some interesting resul= ts > but ultimate did not work. What I finally did was google the 3.5 package > name I had installed and found a copy at the University of Kent. >=20 > There must be a better way to find older ports/packages. What should I ha= ve > done? =46rom kdiff3 homepage looks that from version 0.9.93 kdiff3 works with KDE= 4.=20 Earlier version worked with KDE3 only. In ports is version 0.9.95 and in=20 Makefile it's line USE_KDE4 so it builds with KDE4. You can take earlier po= rt=20 version 0.9.92 manually from=20 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/textproc/kdiff3/ or use ports-mgmt/portdowngrade Regards, Maciej Milewski From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 10:37:19 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FABC106564A for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:37:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david.ramblewski@atosorigin.com) Received: from smtp1.mail.atosorigin.com (smtp1.mail.atosorigin.com [160.92.103.80]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF878FC15 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:37:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from filter.atosorigin.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mxfed001 (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05E820004D2; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:37:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.awl.fr.atosorigin.com (serv-smtp-wse02.fr.atosworldline.com [160.92.103.181]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mail.awl.fr.atosorigin.com", Issuer "VeriSign Class 3 Secure Server CA - G2" (verified OK)) by mxfed001 (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9DDA20004D0; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:37:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from frspx302.fr01.awl.atosorigin.net (10.24.253.187) by frspx402.priv.atos.fr (10.24.220.8) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.234.1; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:35:25 +0100 Received: from FRSPX100.fr01.awl.atosorigin.net ([10.24.253.183]) by frspx302.fr01.awl.atosorigin.net ([10.24.253.187]) with mapi; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:37:12 +0100 From: Ramblewski David To: Devin Teske Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:37:09 +0100 Thread-Topic: Specifying "Install Root" on non interactive sysinstall Thread-Index: AcuAMWDPRlgUqfQDSdylMgkhhf/DtAGEfHTg Message-ID: <7EF5DBE4C76A7B4DA655334E9F2BFD26F3C4519A18@FRSPX100.fr01.awl.atosorigin.net> References: <7EF5DBE4C76A7B4DA655334E9F2BFD26F3C451921B@FRSPX100.fr01.awl.atosorigin.net> <1289322766.4270.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1289322766.4270.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: fr-FR, en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org" Subject: RE: Specifying "Install Root" on non interactive sysinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:37:19 -0000 Many thanks for your answer, it helps me solving some issues. David -----Message d'origine----- De : owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@fr= eebsd.org] De la part de Devin Teske Envoy=E9 : mardi 9 novembre 2010 18:13 =C0 : Ramblewski David Cc : freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org Objet : Re: Specifying "Install Root" on non interactive sysinstall On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 10:18 +0100, Ramblewski David wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking for a solution to jumpstart FreeBSD on an non interactive way= . > The solution provided by the Handbook recommend to use sysinstall program= , that's what I'm trying to do. -sysinstall@ would have been a better choice for this question. Cross-posting my reply. > The servers are using PXE boot to mount an mfsbsd filesystem, everything = works as expected until now. > I manually create the slice, labels and mount the partitions on "/mnt" pa= rtition. You might just want to try adding "diskInteractive=3DYES" to your install.cfg file. That way, you don't have to manually partition/slice/label your disk _before_ you load the config. By setting diskInteractive, when installCommit is called, it will: a. if `disk' is not set (e.g. disk=3Dda0) throw up a menu to select which disk you want to partition b. throw you into the FDISK partition editor c. throw you into diskabel e. ask which boot code you want to install (if any) to the MBR Just a suggestion. > Then I manually launch "sysinstall loadConfig" to install packages class= es but I didn't find the way to precise an "Install Root" for /mnt whereas = it works if I did it on a interactive way using the options menu. Put this into your install.cfg: # Required by distExtractAll (called indirectly by installCommit): installRoot=3D/mnt > Does anyone know how to solve this issue? > > Here is my install.cfg file: > ------------------ > # Turn on extra debugging. > debug=3DYES > > # Ok, this ought to turn off ALL prompting, don't complain to me that you > # lost a machine because you netbooted it on the same subnet as this > # box > nonInteractive=3DYES > noWarn=3DYES > tryDHCP=3DYES > > # My host specific data > hostname=3Dpolbsd > domainname=3Dpriv.atos.fr > > ################################ > # Which installation device to use > nfs=3D10.28.222.1:/opt/local/jumpstart/tftpboot/BSD/NFS > netDev=3Dbge0 > mediaSetNFS > ################################ > > ################################ > # Select which distributions we want. > dists=3D base SMP manpages ports Hmmm. Must be an older release. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 13:34:26 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A46711065670; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 13:34:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tom@diogunix.com) Received: from mail.kepos.org (mail.kepos.org [64.120.5.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D5048FC13; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 13:34:26 +0000 (UTC) From: "tom@diogunix.com" To: Panagiotis Christias , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, ashish@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 14:34:00 +0100 References: <201011170535.46151.tom@diogunix.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <201011171434.01831.tom@diogunix.com> Cc: Subject: Re: ejabberd won't startup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 13:34:26 -0000 update on the issue with Jails and Erlang 14B: > > Hi everybody dealing with ejabberd and/or erlang in a FreeBSD8-Jail ! > >=20 > > I've built the ejabberd port (with ODBC support / the Erlang MySQL > > driver) two days ago but can't get it to run. > >=20 > > # ejabberdctl start > >=20 > > spits out a huge bunch of Erlang error messages (unreadable for most > > humans), obviously saying that it can't connect properly to the > > loopback interface on Port 4369 (respectively connects but then > > immediately stops, causing a crash dump and not able to "register it's > > node"). Tcpdump shows 8 pakets captured when pointing to the lo0 > > interface. > >=20 > > The jail is an ordinary Jail with no special configuration (just 1 IP > > and a proper hostname, running Postfix/Dovecot with MySQL just fine). > > PF or it's ruleset too seems not to be the cause as Erlang's behaviour > > is the same even with a switched off PF. Restarting the Jail and > > triple-checking it's parameters did not help too. > >=20 > > As the error can be reproduced solely with Erlang (without even > > starting ejabberd), the ejabberd.cfg file however does not seem to > > play any role. > >=20 > > I was told, this actually was an Erlang issue and so I first went to > > the Erlang folks (erlang mailing list). At least until now, they > > unfortunately could not help me making a real step. > >=20 > > So, I got stuck and now am in search for people successfully running > > ejabberd in a Jail. I have seen reports from the web on success and > > even I too had a test installation in a Jail running half a year ago > > (unfortunately did not note all details before I wiped that testing > > machine). > >=20 > > My suggestion is, it might have something to do with the file > > /usr/locaal/etc/ejabberd/inetrc > > (responsible for name resolution for Erlang) > >=20 > > So, are there any Jail/ejabberd experts out there ? > > Or just people having it up and running ? >=20 > Hello, >=20 > I believe we are facing the same issue. Our setup is ejabberd-2.1.5 in > a FreeBSD 7.3 amd64 jail and the workaround we found is running an > older version of erlang (erlang-r13b04_3,1). You can find the old > erlang port files in the FreeBSD CVS repository or here: >=20 > http://noc.ntua.gr/~christia/erlang.tgz >=20 > Regards, > Panagiotis I experienced the phenomenon with Erlang 14B: # erl Erlang R14B (erts-5.8.1) [source] [smp:4:4] [rq:4] [async-threads:0] [hipe]= =20 [kernel-poll:false] Eshell V5.8.1 The error message then is: > ejabberd Start: >=20 > # ejabberdctl status > {error_logger,{{2010,11,16},{9,56,20}},"Protocol: ~p: register error:=20 ~p~n", > ["inet_tcp",{{badmatch,{error,epmd_close}},[{inet_tcp_dist,listen,1}, but the same pops up when just starting up an Erlang node without any=20 ejabberd. =46rom the Erlang mailing list I learned: "epmd in R14B was changed to allow some messages (like name registrations) only from 127/8. " So, this might explain why there are those problems with the new Erlang in = a=20 Jail. The most recent report of a working Erlang/ejabberd in a Jail I have found= =20 via Google is from around Janary 2010.=20 So, if there is no newer positiv experience with Erlang 14B in a Jail it=20 might be a good idea to provide a Port for ejabberd with an older Erlang. But still I'm not sure whether or not it is possible to get Erlang 14B to=20 run in a Jail. Any further hints / ideas out there ? Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 14:50:31 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437BA1065672 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 14:50:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ndhertbsd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0E728FC15 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 14:50:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws4 with SMTP id 4so935969vws.13 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 06:50:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=7pIMEWCS8EIA8YT2v6D4zo9lKmXy8xmLKax78X+sNGc=; b=BZykJw0Bgn5HEWM4+rFb4wF3GIH1guXs728a3O76fbvGrVN0WxHkdjJ3RgykKacylI FNr9kOoQBuZxjCLjRCRbY4XUqtWG6jpZS3qQb6TcNrLWL7Wx4jCuymEvTrAZ+HomEi2F 9jlEp01SZa8ys/vUxHFeOyP3jkryk5B2HyrW0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=DIso1XTC+AYjUu/616FQRoU2jrl9YOYUDI50ShsldAYGasD66uCIPheGNe/FI/g40n 9G4j31d8KxIglIpIxiRHi0wkd38kRZ8FpFbj6x8CFPoovjF65vjhCIVryFtyPsOucG09 jgTz3ELTl384uMvE+wPiP/yx6zxIrfWux6CM0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.240.144 with SMTP id la16mr7662393qcb.50.1290005429916; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 06:50:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.227.83 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 06:50:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:50:29 +0100 Message-ID: From: n dhert To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: NFS setup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 14:50:31 -0000 I try to set up NFS between two freebsd-8.1 systems. Both were - at installation time - set up to act as NFS server and NFS client so both have in their /etc/rc.conf nfs_client_enable="YES" nfs_server_enable="YES" rpcbind_enable="YES" all the services are running (checked on both systems): # ps -jaxw | grep nfs root 882 1 882 882 0 Is ?? 0:00.04 nfsd: master (nfsd) root 884 882 882 882 0 S ?? 0:00.00 nfsd: server (nfsd) # ps -jaxw | grep mountd root 880 1 880 880 0 Is ?? 0:00.00 /usr/sbin/mountd -r # ps -jaxw | grep rpcbind root 747 1 747 747 0 Ss ?? 0:00.01 /usr/sbin/rpcbind the NFS server (server.subdomain.topdomain) has server# cat /etc/exports /home -alldirs -ro client.subdomain.topdomain server# showmount -e Exports list on localhost: /home client.subdomain.topdomain server# cat /etc/hosts XXX.YYY.ZZZ.CCC client.subdomain.topdomain the NFS client (client.subdomain.topdomain) has client# cat /etc/hosts XXX.YYY.ZZZ.SSS server.subdomain.topdomain and has a mount-point /mnt with nothing mounted on it yet (empty dir) client# mount server.subdomain.topdomain:/home /mnt (or client# mount XXX.YYY.ZZZ.SSS:/home /mnt) hangs, and after trying for about a minute, responds [tcp] server.subdomain.topdomain:/home: RPCPROG_NFS: RPC: Port mapper failure - RPC: Timed out what is missing to make this work? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 15:10:25 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E89EE1065679 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:10:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81AF78FC08 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:10:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6101E71FA; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:10:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from unknown (client-86-27-40-229.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com [86.27.40.229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:10:23 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:10:24 +0000 From: Bruce Cran To: Nathan Vidican Message-ID: <20101117151024.00003521@unknown> In-Reply-To: References: <201011161409.18893.FreeBSD@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.4cvs1 (GTK+ 2.16.0; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Steven Friedrich , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does MAC version of iTunes work on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:10:26 -0000 On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:26:21 -0500 Nathan Vidican wrote: > No. The Mac version of iTunes depends on the Cocoa application > framework, which is a set of Objective C objects that, as far as I am > aware of, has no compatible framework under FreeBSD. The only vaguely compatible framework is GNUstep, which has at least partial support for the Cocoa APIs. Apparently it would be best to start with GNUstep and move an application to OS X though since there are so many features from MacOS that aren't implemented. Note that this is completely separate from binary compatibility: as far as I know nobody's working on Mach-O compatbility on FreeBSD so applications would need to be recompiled. http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Cocoa -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 15:35:24 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1306E1065670 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:35:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list+freebsd@markshroyer.com) Received: from frodo.paleogene.net (frodo.paleogene.net [206.125.175.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D04EE8FC18 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:35:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from auth-client.paleogene.net (auth-client.paleogene.net [206.125.175.178]) (Authenticated sender: hidden) by frodo.paleogene.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 61D6B3F4C9 ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:20:01 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=markshroyer.com; s=default; t=1290007201; bh=Ddi01edph03sianhXxE9c5oTb80SPHMRVvVWd1p8Fbc=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=V/EFQzSqJJgqzmIVOx47Qn4YjJKKLu19XvV2I2I9uO8HTs8v7ELFDmbXapeWjtuq/ qYnwsACDBp3XpdXcJsP+URbroiGGDc982JQe4+XEcH/RfpzAlqieOdbcb7TSAjtaEa s/S2k/WezTX++VHWZvu4WvNGQupmFSvJ8BxqrghI= Message-ID: <4CE3F29B.40603@markshroyer.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:19:55 -0500 From: Mark Shroyer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201011151526.41458.tom@diogunix.com> In-Reply-To: <201011151526.41458.tom@diogunix.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: /usr/ports/net-im/ejabberd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:35:24 -0000 On 11/15/2010 9:26 AM, tom@diogunix.com wrote: > surprisingly, the port for /usr/ports/net-im/ejabberd too tries to build a > bunch of software usually not associated with ejabberd (such as a lot of > Java, X11, OpenMotif, GTK and don't know what else). > > After hours, the build of ejabberd then failed with: > > [snip] > > Stop in /usr/ports/net-im/ejabberd. > > I did not include any special compile options. > > Any hints out there ? I don't know about this specific error, but to stop the port from causing X11 and such to be built you can try setting WITHOUT_X11=yes in /etc/make.conf (unless you actually use X11 ports on this machine). -- Mark Shroyer http://markshroyer.com/contact/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 15:50:06 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1233) id 3B0DC1065673; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:50:06 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:50:06 +0000 From: Alexander Best To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101117155006.GA88394@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Subject: a question regarding proper printf(3) formating and alignment X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:50:06 -0000 hi there, i've looked at a lot of utilities in the bsd src tree and most of them seem to be doing something like this: Device 1M-blocks Used Avail Capacity /dev/label/swapfs 10239 0 10239 0% /dev/label/swap 8191 0 8191 0% Total 18431 0 18431 0% as you can see the header simply gets written with a number of tabs in between the keywords, but then the actual output aligns differently. i'd like to learn of ways formatting the header so that it aligns properly, whether the device name is 10 chars long or 1000. is there an example for this somewhere in the src tree? thanks in advance. cheers. alex -- a13x From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 15:50:39 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7655106564A for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:50:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elon@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de) Received: from emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de [130.149.58.146]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF778FC21 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:50:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (localhost.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de [127.0.0.1]) by emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAHFoIIM087325; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:50:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from elon@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de) Received: (from elon@localhost) by emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id oAHFoIQo087324; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:50:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from elon) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:50:18 +0100 From: Leon =?iso-8859-15?Q?Me=DFner?= To: "tom@diogunix.com" Message-ID: <20101117155017.GI8921@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> References: <201011141611.36114.tom@diogunix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201011141611.36114.tom@diogunix.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mutt Port broken ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:50:39 -0000 Salut, On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 04:11:35PM +0100, tom@diogunix.com wrote: > Hello everybody, > > just tried to build /usr/ports/mail/mutt but surprisingly got stuck with an > Error 1 though the ports collectionis updated and well maintained: > > m_err -lcrypto -lasn1 -lroken -lcrypt -lssl -lcrypto -lintl -liconv -liconv > muttlib.o(.text+0x12f2): In function `mutt_mktemp': > : warning: warning: mktemp() possibly used unsafely; consider using > mkstemp() > /usr/lib/libhx509.so: undefined reference to `MD2_Init' > /usr/lib/libhx509.so: undefined reference to `MD2_Final' > /usr/lib/libhx509.so: undefined reference to `MD2_Update' > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/mail/mutt/work/mutt-1.4.2.3. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/mail/mutt/work/mutt-1.4.2.3. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/mail/mutt/work/mutt-1.4.2.3. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/mail/mutt. > > Any ideas on what could be done ? I'm nut sure but i remember that openssl dropped support for the MD2 Algo. Perhaps try with MD2 enabled. hth, leon From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 15:53:40 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B28E1065695 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:53:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andy@neu.net) Received: from mail.neu.net (neu.net [204.109.60.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 372FF8FC23 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:53:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from neu.net (neu.net [204.109.60.194]) by mail.neu.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAHFgqRj014403 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:42:52 GMT (envelope-from andy@neu.net) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:42:51 +0000 (UTC) From: AN To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.4 at neu.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.1 required=5.0 tests=TO_NO_BRKTS_DIRECT, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on mail.neu.net Subject: spamassassin config help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:53:40 -0000 I just setup a new mailserver on 8-stable using sendmail with Spamassassin and ClamAv. Spam is being identified correctly, but it is being delivered to users inbox. Would someone please suggest some good documentation to configure mail marked as spam to a different directory. Are there any scripts or tools to configure Spamassassin? Where is the spamassassin config file? Thanks in advance for any help. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 16:03:02 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43CC8106566B for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:03:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04DB08FC08 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:03:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F8FE71F8; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:03:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from unknown (client-86-27-40-229.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com [86.27.40.229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:03:00 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:02:59 +0000 From: Bruce Cran To: AN Message-ID: <20101117160259.000067c8@unknown> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.4cvs1 (GTK+ 2.16.0; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: spamassassin config help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:03:02 -0000 On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:42:51 +0000 (UTC) AN wrote: > I just setup a new mailserver on 8-stable using sendmail with > Spamassassin and ClamAv. Spam is being identified correctly, but it > is being delivered to users inbox. Would someone please suggest some > good documentation to configure mail marked as spam to a different > directory. Are there any scripts or tools to configure Spamassassin? > Where is the spamassassin config file? Thanks in advance for any > help. SpamAssassin just tags spam - you'd need to use procmail or something like it to move mail into different directories depending on the X-Spam-Level and/or X-Spam-Status headers. The spamassassin config lives in /usr/local/etc/mail/spamassassin, and the spamassassin site has lots of documentation. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DeletingAllMailsMarkedSpam for more information about filtering spam into different directories. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 16:07:54 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB291106564A for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:07:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pluknet@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pv0-f182.google.com (mail-pv0-f182.google.com [74.125.83.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47F28FC12 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:07:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pvc22 with SMTP id 22so564815pvc.13 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 08:07:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0McV4RRgJjs67RfM14/9mclXF8NXtJ4hiNzF3fmsivI=; b=f2YavQ93RkD2dU2gaCraQX5M9hLUUnUP1iKuGvq8E4LxG53/tnWMSiwFZwMZPGXDoU QW7TJgy74BxveQwnBdS6FyKjVyI6EN7UOFZiI0U8tGrcAo4MustMPLbxmi+yWZZiKitP m+0Ri18tbnOa+Qxckjg8lIH5z6J8ucI4PygTc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=BzfPyccOB10QZjpUrAh2PBDr8Dqd87RyB8FL5356MouqgMYQLKYcVPCiRQCK9QREmh YHx44HYhGZTCc2Cy1j3vIEsUlNcNMEEp8D0xa9YLcwQhkeb/f9oXphPNMOgvG9mX7Gu/ hjMaaV8euCcB2rDf33b5UB5gOhi5QIa/bSAbs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.216.20 with SMTP id o20mr8072097wfg.318.1290008402000; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 07:40:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.232.18 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 07:40:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:40:01 +0300 Message-ID: From: Sergey Kandaurov To: freebsd general questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: ntpd on 8.1 cycles around select() with EBADF X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:07:54 -0000 Hi. This is the second time I noted it. 2581 root 1 118 0 11736K 3532K CPU6 6 60.7H 100.00% ntpd # ntpq -p localhost: timed out, nothing received ***Request timed out ` /etc/rc.d/ntpd restart` make it work. What can be the reason ? 2581 ntpd CALL select(0x420,0x7fffffffec20,0,0,0) 2581 ntpd RET select -1 errno 9 Bad file descriptor 2581 ntpd CALL stat(0x7fffffffe100,0x7fffffffe080) 2581 ntpd NAMI "/usr/share/nls/C/libc.cat" 2581 ntpd RET stat -1 errno 2 No such file or directory 2581 ntpd CALL stat(0x7fffffffe100,0x7fffffffe080) 2581 ntpd NAMI "/usr/share/nls/libc/C" 2581 ntpd RET stat -1 errno 2 No such file or directory 2581 ntpd CALL stat(0x7fffffffe100,0x7fffffffe080) 2581 ntpd NAMI "/usr/local/share/nls/C/libc.cat" 2581 ntpd RET stat -1 errno 2 No such file or directory 2581 ntpd CALL stat(0x7fffffffe100,0x7fffffffe080) 2581 ntpd NAMI "/usr/local/share/nls/libc/C" 2581 ntpd RET stat -1 errno 2 No such file or directory 2581 ntpd CALL clock_gettime(0xd,0x7fffffffd7e0) 2581 ntpd RET clock_gettime 0 2581 ntpd CALL getpid 2581 ntpd RET getpid 2581/0xa15 2581 ntpd CALL sendto(0x3,0x7fffffffd870,0x43,0,0,0) 2581 ntpd GIO fd 3 wrote 67 bytes "<99>Nov 17 18:14:17 ntpd[2581]: select() error: Bad file descriptor" 2581 ntpd RET sendto 67/0x43 -- wbr, pluknet From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 16:16:12 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FBD9106564A for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:16:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nbari@dalmp.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490B38FC13 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:16:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxh35 with SMTP id 35so1223248yxh.13 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 08:16:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.70.133 with SMTP id d5mr764182faj.64.1290008852993; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 07:47:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.2.135 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 07:47:32 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [193.126.154.89] Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:47:32 +0000 Message-ID: From: Nicolas de Bari Embriz Garcia Rojas To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Subject: adding/updationg a Port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:16:12 -0000 Hi, On November 6, I submitted a New port: http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=ports/151988 so far the submissions seems to be on standby. My question is, if for adding a port takes a 'couple of months' how much does it take for updating current existing ports ? regards. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 16:22:28 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E44106564A for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:22:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pw0-f54.google.com (mail-pw0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB08F8FC1B for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:22:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pwi10 with SMTP id 10so578007pwi.13 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 08:22:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=VRJml+5GEM2MyGA29+HiZyqoM4LacRty5nL5g3ZqScQ=; b=f+MRK8YNmnWl1QQ98hbiR94OGoii9OeAwvU69jZc9N1VjmT9VuH8aPG00i/aSwlcpO HGIWQZMeschQdqBbeM/zu1gK4Ek2bw+vzMjvRiLst5PG5n2na36CNwUQEb2sE51zf3T0 Z+UmQjyHCgJ9xt6aN/fLSkfYjfE+YiVRmfYko= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=x8Dxzywo/k7QDuzuIPUpp8MFSaKkjbZgozIn/iR/YLVuzhnoyq+4QvS5++/80gCyyH 9Kc0dWGP7CeMV/q9HMrxPv7CtNCA7PrCukyQEfP5O3Re7CmTFvTB4WYvTNDUuH8d6YX1 mE0whYWsiR4tDdVzaeoYolmcI7t+jcn0Ep28c= Received: by 10.229.81.207 with SMTP id y15mr7618643qck.61.1290010947382; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 08:22:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.65.41 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 08:21:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:21:56 +0300 Message-ID: To: Nicolas de Bari Embriz Garcia Rojas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: adding/updationg a Port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:22:28 -0000 On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Nicolas de Bari Embriz Garcia Rojas < nbari@dalmp.com> wrote: > Hi, On November 6, I submitted a New port: > http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=ports/151988 so far the > submissions seems to be on standby. > > My question is, if for adding a port takes a 'couple of months' how > much does it take for updating current existing ports ? > > November 6th to today is only 11 days, not even 1 month! :-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 16:33:34 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00148106566B for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:33:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matteo.filippetto@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5068FC1A for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:33:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyg13 with SMTP id 13so1243528gyg.13 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 08:33:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=jJCbrHH6P2aT+hO6/F5+X/d1vAuQT9m3trzBTWtDl3M=; b=BvcHRHRSMlwB/SGoIXO+smaPXCZ8vXU+1JOIJhP7mcnkZH6PazJxOrm/kLr4MDUpds C5eE89swqXOytpMv2GRMEmoaZRX93t90BphMW+XsquYr/Na++oiPbal9KYNzj/iJR0pw EQ7bYa4mRvZ7411dIKExFS2ZWcgnt/crxh5aA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=c/A2M3/ZS0JOX3/+ZoQEV/oeNNs8ATwKkZU0yXrC7TP0AlO9m+QzWlsI0mpkfnlKET qmWnLpjBPld465qvopj2TZR9YAaXuD9C13p9hmEI1nhau4nGThx83//Y7sdi0/Yustni rqEmNzZDBpXZlX6rpNeqcpM3W9UOABRYEZ9/g= Received: by 10.151.149.9 with SMTP id b9mr12803745ybo.394.1290009781528; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 08:03:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.190.18 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 08:02:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: matteo filippetto Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:02:41 +0100 Message-ID: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: spamassassin config help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:33:34 -0000 2010/11/17 AN : > I just setup a new mailserver on 8-stable using sendmail with Spamassassi= n > and ClamAv. =C2=A0Spam is being identified correctly, but it is being del= ivered > to users inbox. =C2=A0Would someone please suggest some good documentatio= n to > configure mail marked as spam to a different directory. Are there any > scripts or tools to configure Spamassassin? =C2=A0Where is the spamassass= in > config file? =C2=A0Thanks in advance for any help. > Hi, MailScanner.conf has a section called # # What to do with spam # -------------------- # that is well documented. You can find there what you need. Best regards --=20 Matteo Filippetto http://op83.blogspot.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 17:43:29 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F0C1065670 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:43:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 983298FC17 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:43:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 174-21-105-71.tukw.qwest.net ([174.21.105.71] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PImqc-0003A9-Ln for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:35:11 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 17 Nov 2010 09:43:24 -0800 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 09:43:24 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20101117174324.GA53079@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zhXaljGHf11kAtnf" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Cc: Subject: Re: adding/updationg a Port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:43:29 -0000 --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Nicolas de Bari Embriz Garcia Rojas on Wednesday, 17 November 2010: > Hi, On November 6, I submitted a New port: > http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3Dports/151988 so far the > submissions seems to be on standby. >=20 > My question is, if for adding a port takes a 'couple of months' how > much does it take for updating current existing ports ? >=20 > regards. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" It depends on the nature and extent of the update. I submitted an update to a port that I maintain, and it was committed in under 21 minutes. Conversely, I submitted a patch to one of the general port Makefiles, and t= hat took about 45 days. Even though it was a very small patch, I presume the committers were more cautious with a change that could affect a lot of users. --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com | http://chipsquips= .com --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM5BQ8AAoJEIpckszW26+RaEgIAJKX1OMm9N9/Hw7ElHIXivb8 QrMxa8RpGJDlT2CpBEDdjyHxNYopfiKCLmiVqx3WzsBJnSvbWhpC//bcfvLZ6m46 3auBpuzk56IZHPnYRJPiuoQRtQRSnIpI8AFCEVC2mIMyktHxrvKCmkUdgknp+Rdb FXhjGskUBW5Z75tHhBdecJdS9a13GD5C8odK3SvwSyCHEkMggyOr3emQ1fDdCia0 gJyg1p1hizAYoZOLS6QrAjVWt/VDPT6aSQilLB7R+OG/uOeQdOs4KE4dWHbdcy3c qxmYlX/gS+Fj2V+ICYSLeAT6p2aCX4YUeX3dVEPsPtepjlyCXX+34TStq0ToNI0= =1dLJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 17:54:22 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F08106564A for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:54:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25C7A8FC15 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:54:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1PImD7-0006TT-6F>; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:54:21 +0100 Received: from telesto.geoinf.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.86.198]) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1PImD6-0001HG-Vh>; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:54:21 +0100 Message-ID: <4CE416D0.2020105@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:54:24 +0100 From: "O. Hartmann" Organization: Freie =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Universit=E4t_Berlin?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101029 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 130.133.86.198 Cc: Subject: porting software to FreeBSD, what to do if Makefile lacks? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:54:22 -0000 Hello. I try to create a port of a software which does not have a Makefile and is build via a propriate csh script. Installation is done temporarely into some lib's and exe's subfolder withing the source folder, so I need to tell the top level Makefile of the port to use a specific build script instead implying having Makefile and a home-brewn install script, which takes the binaries and libs out of the temporary folders and install them at the proper places within the FreeBSD's tree. How can I perform these two tasks? Please set my CC, I'm not subscribing this list. Thanks in advance, Oliver From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 18:46:49 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA51C1065675 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:46:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B38168FC0C for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:46:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 2190 invoked by uid 0); 17 Nov 2010 18:46:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2010 18:46:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=dEuvjlLyZ2PGrxMhGkbvdlrMvlq2z2b5KiwMGM1dIQzbjYl3MpzJGejR5lU5pKRKhSOQfwmG8/sIvtPmBTY/rlzAsIH5Ij3Ue2nIqYTaPhWmsGQZVs/43RdP/BF71hI4; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PIn1r-00058q-Nv for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:46:49 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:40:23 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:40:23 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101117184023.GA64120@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201011161409.18893.FreeBSD@insightbb.com> <20101117151024.00003521@unknown> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="uAKRQypu60I7Lcqm" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101117151024.00003521@unknown> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Does MAC version of iTunes work on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:46:50 -0000 --uAKRQypu60I7Lcqm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 03:10:24PM +0000, Bruce Cran wrote: > On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:26:21 -0500 > Nathan Vidican wrote: >=20 > > No. The Mac version of iTunes depends on the Cocoa application > > framework, which is a set of Objective C objects that, as far as I am > > aware of, has no compatible framework under FreeBSD. >=20 > The only vaguely compatible framework is GNUstep, which has at least > partial support for the Cocoa APIs. Apparently it would be best to start > with GNUstep and move an application to OS X though since there are so > many features from MacOS that aren't implemented. Note that this is > completely separate from binary compatibility: as far as I know > nobody's working on Mach-O compatbility on FreeBSD so applications > would need to be recompiled. >=20 > http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Cocoa There's also Cocotron: http://www.cocotron.org/ I've never used it, though, so I have no idea what level of compatibility it offers, and it appears to be mostly focused on MS Windows platforms right now. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --uAKRQypu60I7Lcqm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzkIZcACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXFFwCgluj3zsuQrtdPUs+Aqeys5pSo RPsAn2uuv9JGL6XKmlCWDyjv5GA5cORk =sysy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --uAKRQypu60I7Lcqm-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 19:55:23 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FE90106566B for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email2.allantgroup.com (email2.emsphone.com [199.67.51.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A058FC12 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by email2.allantgroup.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAHJtME6069439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 13:55:22 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAHJtLUH031172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 13:55:22 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id oAHJtLgr031171; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 13:55:21 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 13:55:21 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: Alexander Best Message-ID: <20101117195521.GF57869@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20101117155006.GA88394@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101117155006.GA88394@freebsd.org> X-OS: FreeBSD 8.1-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.4 at email2.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (email2.allantgroup.com [199.67.51.78]); Wed, 17 Nov 2010 13:55:22 -0600 (CST) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 199.67.51.78 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: a question regarding proper printf(3) formating and alignment X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:55:23 -0000 In the last episode (Nov 17), Alexander Best said: > hi there, > > i've looked at a lot of utilities in the bsd src tree and most of them > seem to be doing something like this: > > Device 1M-blocks Used Avail Capacity > /dev/label/swapfs 10239 0 10239 0% > /dev/label/swap 8191 0 8191 0% > Total 18431 0 18431 0% > > as you can see the header simply gets written with a number of tabs in > between the keywords, but then the actual output aligns differently. > > i'd like to learn of ways formatting the header so that it aligns > properly, whether the device name is 10 chars long or 1000. is there an > example for this somewhere in the src tree? /bin/ls does this for the user, group, and size columns. Note that this only works if you batch up your output (or take two passes over your input data). I seem to remember /usr/bin/find doing this dynamically by expanding columns as it saw values that were larger than the previous max, but apparently not (I just tested it). -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 19:59:20 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED1E106567A for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:59:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andy@neu.net) Received: from mail.neu.net (neu.net [204.109.60.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9434F8FC19 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:59:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from neu.net (neu.net [204.109.60.194]) by mail.neu.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAHJxBPT016016 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:59:11 GMT (envelope-from andy@neu.net) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:59:10 +0000 (UTC) From: AN To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.4 at neu.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.1 required=5.0 tests=TO_NO_BRKTS_DIRECT, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on mail.neu.net Subject: procmail config help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:59:20 -0000 I am trying to configure sendmail with spamassassin to move mail marked as spam to a spam folder in the users home directory. I have the following installed: p5-Mail-SpamAssassin-3.3.1 A highly efficient mail filter for identifying spam razor-agents-2.84 A distributed, collaborative, spam detection and filtering spamass-milter-0.3.1_10 Sendmail Milter (mail filter) plugin for SpamAssassin p5-Mail-DKIM-0.38 Perl5 module to process and/or create DKIM email procmail-3.22_6 A local mail delivery agent I would like to setup this configuration for each individual instead of system wide. I have the following procmail file in the user home directory: #Uncomment the following lines and use tail -f procmail.log to debug LOGFILE=/home/andy/procmail.log VERBOSE=yes LOGABSTRACT=all # Feed redirected spam to sa-learn, and also store a copy in a folder called spam. # This folder of false negatives could be useful if we needed to rebuild our Bayes # database in the future. :0 * ^To:.*spam@example.com { * < 256000 :0c: spamassassin.spamlock | sa-learn --spam :0: spamassassin.filelock spam } # Send all other mail through SpamAssassin :0fw: spamassassin.lock * < 256000 | spamassassin :0: spamassassin.filelock2 * ^X-Spam-Level: \*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\* #/dev/null /home/andy/Mail/spam Spam messages are still being delivered to the user inbox. I tried to setup logging with the following: LOGFILE=/home/andy/procmail.log VERBOSE=yes LOGABSTRACT=all When I tried to send a test spam message nothing is written to the log file. How can I get logging to work to try to debug the problem? If anyone has a working procmail config file to share that would be appreciated. Any help debugging this would be greatly appreciated. TIA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 21:01:59 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95542106566B for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:01:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfarmer@predatorlabs.net) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C4C28FC0C for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:01:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwi4 with SMTP id 4so302014qwi.13 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 13:01:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.201.137 with SMTP id fa9mr8802864qab.10.1290027718497; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 13:01:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.16.199 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 13:01:58 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.133.113] In-Reply-To: <4CE416D0.2020105@zedat.fu-berlin.de> References: <4CE416D0.2020105@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 13:01:58 -0800 Message-ID: From: Rob Farmer To: "O. Hartmann" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: porting software to FreeBSD, what to do if Makefile lacks? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:01:59 -0000 2010/11/17 O. Hartmann : > Hello. > > I try to create a port of a software which does not have a Makefile and is > build via a propriate csh script. Installation is done temporarely into some > lib's and exe's subfolder withing the source folder, so I need to tell the > top level Makefile of the port to use a specific build script instead > implying having Makefile and a home-brewn install script, which takes the > binaries and libs out of the temporary folders and install them at the > proper places within the FreeBSD's tree. How can I perform these two tasks? You want to override the do-build target, something like: do-build: ${CSH} ${WRKSRC}/build-script.csh For the install, do the same with the do-install target. Unless your install script is particularly long or complicated, it will probably be best to put it right into the port's Makefile. Then you can use the INSTALL macros to ensure permissions are set correctly, binaries are stripped if the user doesn't specify WITH_DEBUG, etc. If you haven't already, check out the Porter's Handbook - it will familiarize you with important guidelines and covers a lot of common problems: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/ -- Rob Farmer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 21:38:49 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A561065698 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:38:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from cp-out8.libero.it (cp-out8.libero.it [212.52.84.108]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 183608FC21 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:38:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from soth.ventu (151.51.43.12) by cp-out8.libero.it (8.5.107) id 4CDBE27C010D6DB0; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:38:47 +0100 Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.ventu [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAHLcdVR026703; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:38:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Message-ID: <4CE44B5F.50408@netfence.it> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:38:39 +0100 From: Andrea Venturoli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; it-IT; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101028 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Block References: <4CE30C07.2090006@netfence.it> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.1.2.13 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X resolution X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:38:49 -0000 On 11/17/10 01:15, Warren Block wrote: > It sounds like the EDID information isn't always working. Check your > video cable to see if a pin is bent over, or try a different one. I guess it's working too much! :-D How does X know 2048x1536 is a valid resolution otherwise? Why would it override my settings? >> I've got this in my xorg.conf: >> >> Section "Screen" >> Identifier "SyncMaster" >> Device "Card0" >> Monitor "SyncMaster" >> SubSection "Display" >> Viewport 0 0 >> Depth 32 >> Modes "1600x1200" >> EndSubSection >> EndSection > > 32 is not a valid depth, according to xorg.conf(5). Right: I changed that to 24 and this seemed to do the trick! Still wondering... it must have been there for eons, yet it started misbehaving only a week ago... Well, it works now! :-) > What is the monitor? A Samsung SyncMaster 1200NF (http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/samsung1200nf/). Thanks a lot for your help! bye av. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 21:39:45 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1233) id 54C301065672; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:39:45 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:39:45 +0000 From: Alexander Best To: Dan Nelson Message-ID: <20101117213945.GA46006@freebsd.org> References: <20101117155006.GA88394@freebsd.org> <20101117195521.GF57869@dan.emsphone.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101117195521.GF57869@dan.emsphone.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: a question regarding proper printf(3) formating and alignment X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:39:45 -0000 On Wed Nov 17 10, Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Nov 17), Alexander Best said: > > hi there, > > > > i've looked at a lot of utilities in the bsd src tree and most of them > > seem to be doing something like this: > > > > Device 1M-blocks Used Avail Capacity > > /dev/label/swapfs 10239 0 10239 0% > > /dev/label/swap 8191 0 8191 0% > > Total 18431 0 18431 0% > > > > as you can see the header simply gets written with a number of tabs in > > between the keywords, but then the actual output aligns differently. > > > > i'd like to learn of ways formatting the header so that it aligns > > properly, whether the device name is 10 chars long or 1000. is there an > > example for this somewhere in the src tree? > > /bin/ls does this for the user, group, and size columns. Note that this > only works if you batch up your output (or take two passes over your input > data). I seem to remember /usr/bin/find doing this dynamically by expanding > columns as it saw values that were larger than the previous max, but > apparently not (I just tested it). thanks. so looking at the /bin/ls source is probably the first i should do. cheers. alex > > -- > Dan Nelson > dnelson@allantgroup.com -- a13x From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 22:14:10 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA34E106566B for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:14:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vogelke@hcst.net) Received: from beta.hcst.com (beta.hcst.com [192.52.183.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BD118FC28 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:14:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from beta.hcst.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beta.hcst.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id oAHME98Q015322 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:14:09 -0500 Received: (from vogelke@localhost) by beta.hcst.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id oAHME94d015321; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:14:09 -0500 Received: by kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil (Postfix, from userid 32768) id C10B9BF95; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:06:40 -0500 (EST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-reply-to: (message from AN on Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:59:10 +0000 (UTC)) Organization: Array Infotech X-Disclaimer: I don't speak for the USAF or Array Infotech. X-GPG-ID: 1024D/711752A0 2006-06-27 Karl Vogel X-GPG-Fingerprint: 56EB 6DBF 4224 C953 F417 CC99 4C7C 7D46 7117 52A0 References: Message-Id: <20101117220640.C10B9BF95@kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:06:40 -0500 (EST) From: vogelke+unix@pobox.com (Karl Vogel) Subject: Re: procmail config help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: vogelke+unix@pobox.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:14:10 -0000 >> On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:59:10 +0000 (UTC), >> AN said: A> If anyone has a working procmail config file to share that would be A> appreciated. When messing with procmail, start with the simplest setup that can possibly work. Your logfile has to exist, or procmail will ignore it. If you already have a working .procmailrc file, here's a safe way to add tweaks: 1. copy an existing mail message to /tmp/msg, 2. cp $HOME/.procmailrc $HOME/.procnew and DON'T touch the original, 3. run "procmail -m $HOME/.procnew < /tmp/msg" to test. Try the .procmailrc skeleton below. The .whitelist and .blacklist files hold email addresses (one per line) that you want to pass or block, respectively. Logfiles are stored in the user's ~/mail directory. -- Karl Vogel I don't speak for the USAF or my company Why you might be the reincarnation of someone famous #11: When your boss criticizes your sales projection figures, you hack off your ear. --The Top Five List, top5@walrus.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- # $Revision: 1.60+6 $ $Date: 2010-07-08 15:19:01-04 $ # # NAME: # $HOME/.procmailrc # # DESCRIPTION: # "procmail" handles local mail delivery. Use this file to: # - store your mail in a given folder, # - forward or discard mail depending on the contents, or # - run your mail through a program automatically. # Search path. PATH=/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:$HOME/bin # Default mail folder. DEFAULT=/var/mail/andy # Current directory while procmail is executing. # All pathnames are relative to this directory. MAILDIR=$HOME/mail # File containing error messages or diagnostics. If this # file does not exist, said messages will be bounced # back to the message sender. LOGFILE=$MAILDIR/MAILLOG # If yes, keep an abstract of the From and Subject lines of # each delivered message, the folder it was delivered to, # and the size of the message. If no, skip this abstract. LOGABSTRACT=yes # If on, describe actions of procmail in detail. #VERBOSE=on # Number of seconds before procmail zaps a lockfile by force. LOCKTIMEOUT=5 # Default shell and umask value. SHELL=/bin/sh UMASK=022 # Frequently-used variables. WEEK="`/bin/date +%Yw%W`" #==================================================================== # Rules section. # # RULE: Save a copy of all incoming headers in a file called # $HOME/mail/HEADERS.YYYYwNN # where YYYY = year # NN = the week number starting on Monday. :0 chw: $HOME/hdr.lck | /bin/cat - >> $HOME/mail/HEADERS.$WEEK; #-------------------------------------------------------------------- # RULE: pass anything in the sender whitelist. :0: * ? formail -x"From:" -x"From" -x"To:" -x"Reply-To:" -x"Cc:" \ | fgrep -is -f $HOME/.whitelist $DEFAULT #-------------------------------------------------------------------- # RULE: kill anything in the sender blacklist. :0: * ? formail -x"From:" -x"From" -x"To:" -x"Reply-To:" -x"Cc:" \ | fgrep -is -f $HOME/.blacklist spam-folder #-------------------------------------------------------------------- # Keep everything else. :0 : $DEFAULT From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 22:14:10 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD2C61065674 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:14:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vogelke@hcst.net) Received: from beta.hcst.com (beta.hcst.com [192.52.183.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 887708FC27 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:14:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from beta.hcst.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beta.hcst.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id oAHME8eT015314 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:14:08 -0500 Received: (from vogelke@localhost) by beta.hcst.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id oAHME8X1015313; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:14:08 -0500 Received: by kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil (Postfix, from userid 32768) id 9D0DBBF95; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:44:33 -0500 (EST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <20101117195521.GF57869@dan.emsphone.com> (message from Dan Nelson on Wed, 17 Nov 2010 13:55:21 -0600) Organization: Array Infotech X-Disclaimer: I don't speak for the USAF or Array Infotech. X-GPG-ID: 1024D/711752A0 2006-06-27 Karl Vogel X-GPG-Fingerprint: 56EB 6DBF 4224 C953 F417 CC99 4C7C 7D46 7117 52A0 References: <20101117155006.GA88394@freebsd.org> <20101117195521.GF57869@dan.emsphone.com> Message-Id: <20101117214433.9D0DBBF95@kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:44:33 -0500 (EST) From: vogelke+unix@pobox.com (Karl Vogel) Subject: Re: a question regarding proper printf(3) formating and alignment X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: vogelke+unix@pobox.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:14:11 -0000 >> In the last episode (Nov 17), Alexander Best said: A> i've looked at a lot of utilities in the bsd src tree and most of them A> seem to be doing something like this: A> Device 1M-blocks Used Avail Capacity A> /dev/label/swapfs 10239 0 10239 0% A> /dev/label/swap 8191 0 8191 0% A> Total 18431 0 18431 0% A> i'd like to learn of ways formatting the header so that it aligns A> properly, whether the device name is 10 chars long or 1000. ports/textproc/align is a nifty perl script that'll do this for just about any type of column-based input. If you just want to fix "df" and you know how long the longest device name is, try something like this: #!/bin/ksh #> On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 13:55:21 -0600, >> Dan Nelson happily babbled in reply: D> I seem to remember /usr/bin/find doing this dynamically by expanding D> columns as it saw values that were larger than the previous max, but D> apparently not (I just tested it). I believe you're thinking of "file". -- Karl Vogel I don't speak for the USAF or my company When a man says it's a silly, childish game, it's probably something his wife can beat him at. --Epperson's law From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 22:41:42 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B9D610656A3 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:41:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email2.allantgroup.com (email2.emsphone.com [199.67.51.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2ABC8FC1E for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:41:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by email2.allantgroup.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAHMfcPI085782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:41:38 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAHMfcTY084757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:41:38 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id oAHMfbDC084756; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:41:37 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:41:37 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: Karl Vogel Message-ID: <20101117224137.GG57869@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20101117155006.GA88394@freebsd.org> <20101117195521.GF57869@dan.emsphone.com> <20101117214433.9D0DBBF95@kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101117214433.9D0DBBF95@kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil> X-OS: FreeBSD 8.1-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.4 at email2.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (email2.allantgroup.com [199.67.51.78]); Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:41:38 -0600 (CST) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 199.67.51.78 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: a question regarding proper printf(3) formating and alignment X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:41:42 -0000 In the last episode (Nov 17), Karl Vogel said: > >> In the last episode (Nov 17), Alexander Best said: > > A> i've looked at a lot of utilities in the bsd src tree and most of them > A> seem to be doing something like this: > > A> Device 1M-blocks Used Avail Capacity > A> /dev/label/swapfs 10239 0 10239 0% > A> /dev/label/swap 8191 0 8191 0% > A> Total 18431 0 18431 0% > > A> i'd like to learn of ways formatting the header so that it aligns > A> properly, whether the device name is 10 chars long or 1000. > > ports/textproc/align is a nifty perl script that'll do this for just > about any type of column-based input. If you just want to fix "df" and > you know how long the longest device name is, try something like this: Bad example, since df also auto-sizes its columns :) I think /usr/bin/rs can do column auto-balancing, but every time I try to make it do what I want, I fail. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 23:15:50 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CA921065670 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 23:15:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FEF48FC13 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 23:15:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6AE53E80C92; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:15:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:15:49 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20101117231545.GA4206@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: Subject: firewall hardware running quasi FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 23:15:50 -0000 Folks, The weakest (and probably most costly power-wise) link among my three computers is my '98 Kayak that runs pfSense. I just found a computer that runs ATOM and has two NICS ... i need two because of the way things were configured. My Dell server and my AMD "homebrew" that was build out of my prev'ly last new computer are vastly more efficient than my other hardware. Altho the SSD chips are fairly new , I would rather put 8 or 16G of solid state memory rather than have a spinning disk. Maybe I'll buy both and disable one or the o ther. Anybody know if I can buy this in COTS form (cots == "commercial, off-the-shelf). I would rather have the vendor do it right there since they do it by the truckload. Among the few things that hasn't been robotized:) -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org/#JTTD From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 00:02:15 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63273106564A for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 00:02:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 369418FC15 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 00:02:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 46AF9E80C51; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:02:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:02:14 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20101118000211.GA6044@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: Subject: first and last X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 00:02:15 -0000 Okay guys, this is the only time I'll do this kind of blatent self-promotion, but at this link, http://www.thought.org/#JTTD is a link to the book that a bunch of this list has helped me with over the past several months. Three or four of you ... and one in particular. Yyou can read about it when I do my followup HTML file that has the LOC copyright info. I'll post a list of ACK's then; for now I just want to get this going. Since this is the only piece of creative fiction that is pro-FreeBSD [&& OPen source], I will be much obliged for your help in getting Journey yo ``go viral.'' :-) You'll recogonize people in the script. I wouldn't go as far as saying that Seymour Cray is old man Gritzmacher; but there are several others. aGAin, first/last direct plug. Feedback appreciated, only offline. thanks to everybody, gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org/#JTTD From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 00:58:09 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3BBC1065675 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 00:58:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C7F48FC1B for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 00:58:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1PIspE-0006jd-Du>; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 01:58:08 +0100 Received: from e178032237.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.32.237] helo=thor.walstatt.dyndns.org) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1PIspE-0004Iu-7g>; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 01:58:08 +0100 Message-ID: <4CE47A1F.804@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 01:58:07 +0100 From: "O. Hartmann" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101029 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Farmer References: <4CE416D0.2020105@zedat.fu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 85.178.32.237 Cc: "O. Hartmann" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: porting software to FreeBSD, what to do if Makefile lacks? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 00:58:09 -0000 On 11/17/10 22:01, Rob Farmer wrote: > 2010/11/17 O. Hartmann: >> Hello. >> >> I try to create a port of a software which does not have a Makefile and is >> build via a propriate csh script. Installation is done temporarely into some >> lib's and exe's subfolder withing the source folder, so I need to tell the >> top level Makefile of the port to use a specific build script instead >> implying having Makefile and a home-brewn install script, which takes the >> binaries and libs out of the temporary folders and install them at the >> proper places within the FreeBSD's tree. How can I perform these two tasks? > > You want to override the do-build target, something like: > > do-build: > ${CSH} ${WRKSRC}/build-script.csh > > > For the install, do the same with the do-install target. Unless your > install script is particularly long or complicated, it will probably > be best to put it right into the port's Makefile. Then you can use the > INSTALL macros to ensure permissions are set correctly, binaries are > stripped if the user doesn't specify WITH_DEBUG, etc. > > If you haven't already, check out the Porter's Handbook - it will > familiarize you with important guidelines and covers a lot of common > problems: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/ > Thanks. I got it. But it seems that my first porting task run into some difficulties for the advanced porters, since there is no autotool environment. By the way, the global environment variable ${CSH} seems to be noneexistent, instead ${SH} exists. Regards, Oliver From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 02:12:52 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EED2B1065679 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 02:12:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfarmer@predatorlabs.net) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27D38FC19 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 02:12:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwb8 with SMTP id 8so171137qwb.13 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:12:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.2.202 with SMTP id 10mr2906qak.60.1290046371832; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:12:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.16.199 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:12:51 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.133.113] In-Reply-To: <4CE47A1F.804@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> References: <4CE416D0.2020105@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4CE47A1F.804@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:12:51 -0800 Message-ID: From: Rob Farmer To: "O. Hartmann" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "O. Hartmann" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: porting software to FreeBSD, what to do if Makefile lacks? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 02:12:53 -0000 On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 16:58, O. Hartmann wrote: > Thanks. > I got it. But it seems that my first porting task run into some difficulties > for the advanced porters, since there is no autotool environment. > > By the way, the global environment variable ${CSH} seems to be noneexistent, > instead ${SH} exists. Interesting - I assumed it would be listed in bsd.commands.mk, but it seems to not be. Most of the base system tools are. In any case, glad to hear you got it working. -- Rob Farmer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 05:44:56 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D68106566C for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 05:44:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [65.122.17.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59AAE8FC08 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 05:44:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAI5it5d058774; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 00:44:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oAI5isPr058767; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 00:44:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 00:44:53 -0500 (EST) From: doug To: AN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 18 Nov 2010 00:44:55 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: procmail config help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: doug@safeport.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 05:44:56 -0000 On Wed, 17 Nov 2010, AN wrote: > I am trying to configure sendmail with spamassassin to move mail marked as > spam to a spam folder in the users home directory. I have the following > installed: > > p5-Mail-SpamAssassin-3.3.1 A highly efficient mail filter for identifying > spam > razor-agents-2.84 A distributed, collaborative, spam detection and > filtering > spamass-milter-0.3.1_10 Sendmail Milter (mail filter) plugin for SpamAssassin > p5-Mail-DKIM-0.38 Perl5 module to process and/or create DKIM email > procmail-3.22_6 A local mail delivery agent > > I would like to setup this configuration for each individual instead of > system wide. I have the following procmail file in the user home directory: > > #Uncomment the following lines and use tail -f procmail.log to debug > LOGFILE=/home/andy/procmail.log > VERBOSE=yes > LOGABSTRACT=all > > # Feed redirected spam to sa-learn, and also store a copy in a folder called > spam. > # This folder of false negatives could be useful if we needed to rebuild our > Bayes > # database in the future. > > :0 > * ^To:.*spam@example.com > > { > * < 256000 > :0c: spamassassin.spamlock > | sa-learn --spam > > :0: spamassassin.filelock > spam > } > > # Send all other mail through SpamAssassin > > :0fw: spamassassin.lock > * < 256000 > | spamassassin > > > :0: spamassassin.filelock2 > * ^X-Spam-Level: \*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\* > #/dev/null > /home/andy/Mail/spam > > Spam messages are still being delivered to the user inbox. > > I tried to setup logging with the following: > > LOGFILE=/home/andy/procmail.log > VERBOSE=yes > LOGABSTRACT=all > > When I tried to send a test spam message nothing is written to the log file. > How can I get logging to work to try to debug the problem? > > If anyone has a working procmail config file to share that would be > appreciated. > > Any help debugging this would be greatly appreciated. > > TIA Do you have a shell statement in your procmailrc file? Anyway here is an example of what we use. It is a combination of bogofilter and spamassassin. If this does not help, make things simple, start with some of the examples in man procmailex. SHELL=/bin/sh # Directory for storing procmail configuration and log files COMSAT=no PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin/ FGREP=/usr/bin/fgrep FROM=`formail -x From:` MAILDIR=$HOME PMDIR=$HOME/.procmail LOGFILE=$PMDIR/`date +%Y%m`.log DEFAULT=$HOME/mbox ##LOGABSTRACT=all VERBOSE=no SPAMDIR=spam`date +%m%y` ## whitelist :0 * ? (echo "$FROM" | $FGREP -iqf $PMDIR/whitelist) ${DEFAULT} ## filter mail through bogofilter, tagging it as spam and ## updating the word lists :0fw | bogofilter -e -p # if bogofilter failed, return the mail to the queue, the MTA will # retry to deliver it later # 75 is the value for EX_TEMPFAIL in /usr/include/sysexits.h :0e { EXITCODE=75 HOST } # if bogofilter thinks it is spam, that's enough.. :0 * ^X-Bogosity: Yes { LOG="bogofilter" :0 $SPAMDIR } # run spam assassin on it! :0fw: spamassassin.lock | spamassassin -L # if spam assassin thinks it is spam but bogofilter doesn't, # give preference to spam assassin and retrain BF :0 * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes * ^X-Bogosity: No { # Retrain bogofilter :0c | bogofilter -Ns LOG="spamassassin" :0 $SPAMDIR } I edited this a bit to remove user specific information, so I may have introduced an error. This file will [should??] log if you make the appropriate changes. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 06:14:30 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF321065695 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:14:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forward1.mail.yandex.net (forward1.mail.yandex.net [77.88.46.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6032E8FC14 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:14:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp2.mail.yandex.net (smtp2.mail.yandex.net [77.88.46.102]) by forward1.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 03A0769E9264 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 09:14:28 +0300 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1290060868; bh=7b2Z5lGebNt9isks7XTvna0xQFe81zWIGZZQJB2etTk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OMzHdoDXMrHAY6oRsd9kr+p/jFbzgWBAg+UTeymPw5EqbEj1QGAAtB0d1S/I9KXrY 8KN3FvAHdQUdCK/gCR6UHI15Kvj/HR+7XvFRHRd9mYQoOeUE96Q96f2zQuR7p8qhMo xTZ5iVH+G5OAj/OMb4YUv2Qrlu19dgjlgL6xGCcw= Received: from kes.in (unknown [77.93.42.18]) by smtp2.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTPA id 92D0B528093 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 09:14:27 +0300 (MSK) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 20:38:18 +0200 From: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: =?windows-1251?B?188gyu7t/Oru4iwgRnJlZUxpbmU=?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <683205662.20101117203818@yandex.ru> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: strange behaviour on FreeBSD 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:14:30 -0000 Hi. Sometimes system goes to this situation: 0% idle and no processes take CPU time #top -SIHP last pid: 62813; load averages: 4.17, 3.64, 2.16 up 28+06:44:02 20:41:41 155 processes: 7 running, 129 sleeping, 19 waiting CPU: 99.3% user, 0.0% nice, 0.7% system, 0.0% interrupt, 0.0% idle Mem: 177M Active, 27M Inact, 124M Wired, 13M Cache, 60M Buf, 148M Free Swap: 2048M Total, 51M Used, 1997M Free, 2% Inuse PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU COMMAND #top last pid: 62852; load averages: 4.10, 3.67, 2.22 up 28+06:44:36 20:42:15 172 processes: 4 running, 168 sleeping CPU: 99.6% user, 0.0% nice, 0.4% system, 0.0% interrupt, 0.0% idle Mem: 203M Active, 27M Inact, 125M Wired, 13M Cache, 60M Buf, 121M Free Swap: 2048M Total, 51M Used, 1997M Free, 2% Inuse PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU COMMAND 62817 root 36 -8 0 29696K 23276K piperd 0:00 7.62% perl5.8.8 64644 root 1 44 0 3532K 1048K select 22:20 0.00% screen 8862 root 1 8 0 9192K 2460K nanslp 17:18 0.00% verlihub 8450 icecast 6 8 0 8812K 1116K nanslp 5:38 0.00% icecast 698 root 1 44 0 3180K 872K select 4:21 0.00% syslogd 61307 root 1 96 0 6992K 2724K RUN 4:20 0.00% proftpd 61902 root 1 96 0 6992K 2608K RUN 3:51 0.00% proftpd 8435 postfix 1 4 0 6192K 800K kqread 2:40 0.00% qmgr 8464 root 1 4 0 3124K 960K kqread 1:34 0.00% dovecot 8424 root 1 4 0 5168K 596K kqread 1:26 0.00% master 8521 root 1 44 0 18808K 3164K select 1:17 0.00% httpd 8467 vmail 1 4 0 4276K 796K kqread 0:48 0.00% dovecot-auth 8541 root 1 45 0 5752K 448K select 0:34 0.00% sshd 8595 root 1 44 0 3236K 300K select 0:27 0.00% inetd 51383 freeradius 1 96 0 28568K 11408K RUN 0:27 0.00% radiusd 8314 mysql 10 4 0 47292K 6344K sbwait 0:25 0.00% mysqld 8216 root 1 44 0 6992K 612K select 0:23 0.00% proftpd 1 users Load 4.07 3.69 2.26 17 20:42 Mem:KB REAL VIRTUAL VN PAGER SWAP PAGER Tot Share Tot Share Free in out in out Act 205392 12432 631916 40980 137912 count All 278608 16052 2787452 57020 pages Proc: Interrupts r p d s w Csw Trp Sys Int Sof Flt 95 cow 2071 total 4 39 128 5733 306 2386 65 31k 255 76 zfod sio1 irq3 ozfod sio0 irq4 1.2%Sys 0.6%Intr 98.2%User 0.0%Nice 0.0%Idle %ozfod 7 ata0 irq14 | | | | | | | | | | | daefr 58 rl0 rl4 17 =>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 132 prcfr 2006 cpu0: time 87 dtbuf 186 totfr Namei Name-cache Dir-cache 35373 desvn 2 react Calls hits % hits % 10855 numvn pdwak 1123 1009 90 8152 frevn pdpgs intrn Disks ad1 127712 wire KB/t 11.33 207692 act tps 7 27820 inact MB/s 0.08 13612 cache %busy 0 124300 free uname -a FreeBSD i.net.ua 7.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE #0: Sat Jan 3 01:15:39 EET 2009 kes@i.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 i386 -- , mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 09:11:02 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B13E4106564A for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 09:11:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B238FC13 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 09:11:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id oAI9B2Yg065259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 18 Nov 2010 01:11:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id oAI9B1LO065258; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 01:11:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA23551; Thu, 18 Nov 10 01:03:18 PST Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 01:03:21 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: ndhertbsd@gmail.com Message-Id: <4ce4ebd9.1f0e0NI1IwuN4MUJ%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NFS setup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 09:11:02 -0000 n dhert wrote: > I try to set up NFS between two freebsd-8.1 systems. ... > # ps -jaxw | grep rpcbind > root 747 1 747 747 0 Ss ?? 0:00.01 > /usr/sbin/rpcbind ... > client# mount server.subdomain.topdomain:/home /mnt > (or client# mount XXX.YYY.ZZZ.SSS:/home /mnt) > hangs, and after trying for about a minute, responds > [tcp] server.subdomain.topdomain:/home: RPCPROG_NFS: RPC: > Port mapper failure - RPC: Timed out > > what is missing to make this work? Any chance a firewall is blocking RPC? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 10:09:15 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB241065675 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 10:09:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C557B8FC2B for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 10:09:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwd20 with SMTP id 20so3053423wwd.31 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 02:09:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=dasbOp2arXBWYHIcaV3xhcYWeMRLYOz8mkoISN6XaxE=; b=xa4wg1mGdTZFDQ/tC6LxpjnPnnsz1lw8zIiLYK2xHeddSsgnA1BnQpeTL6m4IBagFt 0SJYbWsWFJvy68rNlI76Z70EaBj0FlmwB2wWNik6RZ1BpoAr5HxbeXHSfqRdiEwQUPhi QmqCM3bgSoDCXzP8/uyCdP2xjKsPiWxkeZiis= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=KiSD0R8+prZScwx/t8GWGCvJTrCKukSyV0o614cv1CcOIGkf2G3xs+zbTLxRCG5gGq QBEcbokiEFNcR6pnzASR2huSAaNPGPvWnS/6qkupwSIppghSAiHQBmrYaEnej6KN0oFi EGL3yYBfte4ti+uh0zI7V7BrfXVSmv15SNI3I= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.196.156 with SMTP id r28mr377697wen.29.1290074953227; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 02:09:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.72.148 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 02:09:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4ce4ebd9.1f0e0NI1IwuN4MUJ%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <4ce4ebd9.1f0e0NI1IwuN4MUJ%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 10:09:13 +0000 Message-ID: From: krad To: perryh@pluto.rain.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: ndhertbsd@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NFS setup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 10:09:15 -0000 On 18 November 2010 09:03, wrote: > n dhert wrote: > > > I try to set up NFS between two freebsd-8.1 systems. > ... > > # ps -jaxw | grep rpcbind > > root 747 1 747 747 0 Ss ?? 0:00.01 > > /usr/sbin/rpcbind > ... > > client# mount server.subdomain.topdomain:/home /mnt > > (or client# mount XXX.YYY.ZZZ.SSS:/home /mnt) > > hangs, and after trying for about a minute, responds > > [tcp] server.subdomain.topdomain:/home: RPCPROG_NFS: RPC: > > Port mapper failure - RPC: Timed out > > > > what is missing to make this work? > > Any chance a firewall is blocking RPC? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > checkout hosts.allow/deny as well From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 10:11:18 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBFF6106564A for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 10:11:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thomas.exner@uni-konstanz.de) Received: from pyrimidin.rz.uni-konstanz.de (pyrimidin.rz.uni-konstanz.de [134.34.240.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FF208FC22 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 10:11:18 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,216,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="14179811" Received: from alanine.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (HELO [10.0.0.65]) ([134.34.110.7]) by mailhub.uni-konstanz.de with ESMTP; 18 Nov 2010 09:41:56 +0000 Message-ID: <4CE4F4E4.10606@uni-konstanz.de> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 10:41:56 +0100 From: Thomas Exner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.14) Gecko/20101013 SUSE/2.0.9-0.5.1 SeaMonkey/2.0.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: disk recovery problem(s) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 10:11:19 -0000 Dear all: I have a very similar problem as Roland Smith almost two years ago. My=20 hard drive got corrupted (I do not really know why) and when running=20 fsck the first error message is "ROOT INODE UNALLOCATED" (the full=20 output of fsck is given below. I can then type "y" and it looks like=20 that fsck is doing something. But in phase 3, when it tries to reconnect = the inodes and put them in the lost+found directory, this directory=20 cannot be created. If I mount the file system, there is still no root=20 directory on the drive (no "." and ".." or anything else) and if I run=20 fsck again, the exact same error massages occur again. If I only perform = the "ALLOCATE?" and answer all the other questions with "no", I get a=20 "." and ".." in the root directory but nothing more. Running again fsck=20 destroys everything again. Does anyone have an idea why fsck is not able = to perform the recovery or why the changes are undone at one point? Is=20 there a chance to get the data back? I do not know if it is important=20 but the file system is on a raid5. Any help would be highly appreciated. Best, Thomas Full fsck output: nas1:/mnt# /sbin/fsck -t ufs -f /dev/raid5/nasraid1p1 ** /dev/raid5/nasraid1p1 ** Last Mounted on /mnt/nasraid1 ** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes ** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames ROOT INODE UNALLOCATED UNEXPECTED SOFT UPDATE INCONSISTENCY ALLOCATE? [yn] y BAD TYPE VALUE I=3D2 OWNER=3Droot MODE=3D40755 SIZE=3D2048 MTIME=3DNov 16 17:21 2010 DIR=3D/ UNEXPECTED SOFT UPDATE INCONSISTENCY FIX? [yn] y BAD TYPE VALUE I=3D2 OWNER=3Droot MODE=3D40755 SIZE=3D2048 MTIME=3DNov 16 17:21 2010 DIR=3D/ UNEXPECTED SOFT UPDATE INCONSISTENCY FIX? [yn] y BAD TYPE VALUE FOR '..' I=3D151745536 OWNER=3Droot MODE=3D40755 SIZE=3D512 MTIME=3DOct 19 17:19 2010 DIR=3D? UNEXPECTED SOFT UPDATE INCONSISTENCY FIX? [yn] y BAD TYPE VALUE I=3D2 OWNER=3Droot MODE=3D40755 SIZE=3D2048 MTIME=3DNov 16 17:21 2010 DIR=3D UNEXPECTED SOFT UPDATE INCONSISTENCY FIX? [yn] y BAD TYPE VALUE FOR '..' I=3D301465600 OWNER=3Droot MODE=3D40755 SIZE=3D19968 MTIME=3DNov 12 09:16 2010 DIR=3D? UNEXPECTED SOFT UPDATE INCONSISTENCY FIX? [yn] y BAD TYPE VALUE I=3D2 OWNER=3Droot MODE=3D40755 SIZE=3D2048 MTIME=3DNov 16 17:21 2010 DIR=3D UNEXPECTED SOFT UPDATE INCONSISTENCY FIX? [yn] y ** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity UNREF DIR I=3D151745536 OWNER=3Droot MODE=3D40755 SIZE=3D512 MTIME=3DOct 19 17:19 2010 RECONNECT? [yn] y NO lost+found DIRECTORY CREATE? [yn] y SORRY. CANNOT CREATE lost+found DIRECTORY UNEXPECTED SOFT UPDATE INCONSISTENCY UNREF DIR I=3D301465600 OWNER=3Droot MODE=3D40755 SIZE=3D19968 MTIME=3DNov 12 09:16 2010 RECONNECT? [yn] y NO lost+found DIRECTORY CREATE? [yn] y SORRY. CANNOT CREATE lost+found DIRECTORY UNEXPECTED SOFT UPDATE INCONSISTENCY UNREF DIR I=3D151745536 OWNER=3Droot MODE=3D40755 SIZE=3D512 MTIME=3DOct 19 17:19 2010 RECONNECT? [yn] y NO lost+found DIRECTORY CREATE? [yn] y SORRY. CANNOT CREATE lost+found DIRECTORY UNEXPECTED SOFT UPDATE INCONSISTENCY ** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts ** Phase 5 - Check Cyl groups SUMMARY INFORMATION BAD SALVAGE? [yn] y BLK(S) MISSING IN BIT MAPS SALVAGE? [yn] y 35257960 files, 1247115068 used, 171932417 free (5559497 frags, 20796615 = blocks, 0.4% fragmentation) ***** FILE SYSTEM MARKED CLEAN ***** ***** FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED ***** --=20 _________________________________________________________________________= _______ Dr. Thomas E. Exner Juniorprofessur "Theoretische Chemische Dynamik" Fachbereich Chemie Universit=E4t Konstanz 78457 Konstanz Tel.: +49-(0)7531-882015 Fax: +49-(0)7531-883587 Email: thomas.exner@uni-konstanz.de _________________________________________________________________________= _______ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 11:18:18 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 202921065698 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:18:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD3858FC1C for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:18:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1PJ2VM-0003uU-Ky>; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:18:16 +0100 Received: from telesto.geoinf.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.86.198]) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1PJ2VM-0001Xf-Hf>; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:18:16 +0100 Message-ID: <4CE50B7B.2070800@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:18:19 +0100 From: "O. Hartmann" Organization: Freie =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Universit=E4t_Berlin?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101029 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Farmer References: <4CE416D0.2020105@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4CE47A1F.804@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 130.133.86.198 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: porting software to FreeBSD, what to do if Makefile lacks? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:18:18 -0000 On 11/18/10 03:12, Rob Farmer wrote: > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 16:58, O. Hartmann > wrote: >> Thanks. >> I got it. But it seems that my first porting task run into some difficulties >> for the advanced porters, since there is no autotool environment. >> >> By the way, the global environment variable ${CSH} seems to be noneexistent, >> instead ${SH} exists. > > Interesting - I assumed it would be listed in bsd.commands.mk, but it > seems to not be. Most of the base system tools are. In any case, glad > to hear you got it working. > Well, in this case, it would really be a 'nice to have', maybe this is worth a PR? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 12:16:55 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F776106566B for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:16:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wodfer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D06038FC1D for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:16:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwj20 with SMTP id 20so1822165gwj.13 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 04:16:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=NofPYdmMZeOzPQdmNr/HahTJuNaN5LM3X87n/pRzWx8=; b=DaZ5YGe4yZNp9ftS0QHGrYewND5tBZcbjWqYCOZ7mABf+cLhkJZJMIZ0FHJarlqkMj 12DeofWxPFH8yjMyV6OOr1J/DVYevpI1/TrYqmg3yn+y6ARDRMl3B5Y1bNfBVTt89DrD jTldeYXWxRHc+aeZiPHmV3bKAfM3nwzc3Y4nA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Y5pmsEgQRbvCZ9gxOnG4kra9/CcKrLDvbudE2EbcsX/dBEsT0j3Ng2jNIAb2CP4QRT NbzLSfqzrqpK9MauH0QATPOPj9YqpXffY4LT+23qwN1tNTF0X4uIzoXlJT8+3YXeLDOh hHC/wrTuYoyg3HHW6XSkpBN1K4PQRH4tk6GxQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.231.10 with SMTP id d10mr970532agh.44.1290082614094; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 04:16:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.254.3 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 04:16:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:16:53 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Wodfer To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: FreeBSD and large harddrives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:16:55 -0000 Hi, I'm going to build a server that's intended to store uncompressed videofiles (where 1 hour film equals about 500GB). I plan on using Western Digital 2TB or 3TB SATA harddrives. Total storage in version 1 of this server will probably be 8-12 TB. Harddrive speed is not so important so a 5400rpm drive would be OK. Seems like the green line of WD harddrives use both 5400rpm and 7200rpm. I will use RAID 5. The processor will be a 64bit capable Intel processor and I plan on using a Highpoint Rocketraid or 3ware Raid controller. So now my questions: 1. Which FreeBSD version should I install? (it must support large drives). I'm currently using the standard FreeBSD 8.1 (STABLE) on several servers, but this is a 32bit version, right? I suppose I need a 64bit version when I use large harddrives? 2. I know that the 3ware Raid controller supports larger drives than 2TB (or was it 1TB?). The Highpoint controller I'm not so sure of, but I've had good experience with these on a few Windows servers and on one FreeBSD server. My setup would be to use the entire disk for both operating system and filestorage (in version 1). How can I create this huge partition/slice? I don't think the installer (atleast on the standard FreeBSD version) supports these large drives? Thanks for your help. I might have follow-up questions as my project make progress. Best, Andy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 12:37:08 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31D2E1065670 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:37:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from indexer@internode.on.net) Received: from mail.internode.on.net (bld-mail18.adl2.internode.on.net [150.101.137.103]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC388FC0A for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:37:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mai.dhcp.chocolate.lan (unverified [203.122.194.109]) by mail.internode.on.net (SurgeMail 3.8f2) with ESMTP id 46655950-1927428 for multiple; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:51:46 +1030 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Indexer In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:51:40 +1030 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <66248F21-1914-467A-9874-B5987F5E4790@internode.on.net> References: To: Andy Wodfer X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.3.1 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD and large harddrives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:37:08 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 18/11/2010, at 22:46, Andy Wodfer wrote: > Hi, > I'm going to build a server that's intended to store uncompressed = videofiles > (where 1 hour film equals about 500GB). I plan on using Western = Digital 2TB > or 3TB SATA harddrives. Total storage in version 1 of this server = will > probably be 8-12 TB. Harddrive speed is not so important so a 5400rpm = drive > would be OK. Seems like the green line of WD harddrives use both = 5400rpm and > 7200rpm. I will use RAID 5. >=20 > The processor will be a 64bit capable Intel processor and I plan on = using a > Highpoint Rocketraid or 3ware Raid controller. >=20 > So now my questions: >=20 > 1. Which FreeBSD version should I install? (it must support large = drives). > I'm currently using the standard FreeBSD 8.1 (STABLE) on several = servers, > but this is a 32bit version, right? I suppose I need a 64bit version = when I > use large harddrives? Freebsd has been 64 bit for a long time. It supports multiple = architectures. You want amd64 (yes, even on an intel 64bit) >=20 > 2. I know that the 3ware Raid controller supports larger drives than = 2TB (or > was it 1TB?). The Highpoint controller I'm not so sure of, but I've = had good > experience with these on a few Windows servers and on one FreeBSD = server. My > setup would be to use the entire disk for both operating system and > filestorage (in version 1). How can I create this huge = partition/slice? I > don't think the installer (atleast on the standard FreeBSD version) = supports > these large drives? >=20 You can use vinum or ZFS. > Thanks for your help. I might have follow-up questions as my project = make > progress. >=20 > Best, > Andy > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" William Brown pgp.mit.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJM5RpXAAoJEHF16AnLoz6JCdQP/06Sne+m2b3xKg9p1FQzK6vi vcE4rnWvA6EJNTc6I4R1ftv824CryKMpOtmy4HIySbGIoljx/1cAacQtUQr00oS0 GBR8IMJF3UaH3dUd+5nAuNJLhrHwJcDDT1bKF79zut8n4YiJ7a9d4ad9QZt4kkdr pNrDQgEZSvTYPKxREevutrmy723u0y979c8S1H7B8WT0MigQ7JwIK6zS9WhveMNt ONUxToppQxL0BhD8SP8lwUHF37WUJ11bUaGgNtEK38c3871vVZmEwfjfx1N9rbrt Skg9DulDnFM01iCuav1RTmKChlFXdvS6CcKt9SjeiEu3IvnYHoD8KW7OXnOfKssy UT5i4lYXYepjcObwBpcIJuqNlBPX+kV1GDLJ7Fu0crQwI251sOJknJlAP2RkkfLw NMax7kd1IvAlN/AoFQcSeGsdoFvqM+KZDSi5h6OO3A53Qqx0/MFQ6mneL01Fbxhx rDgpjKN0acuKEENasUDcCvhXA5Ffpvf3ih/+gH23xD1TEFuYZ4owNzmkefI69clH 3s/dYL5Qt0cj3gB/TiABojZbrr8SA1BfXUmDekY+LnTH62s8CVJ0ypkyL8tWcWSj TGzOyfJELpvLEGWyzfP593lCD2aTtpMkGc+BVivfDAu710qzPMBMWXFxBY5izF4N QMjpiI6PFs2oewbsP9XN =3DKFw3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 12:42:15 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7992106564A for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:42:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wodfer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA918FC1A for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:42:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywa8 with SMTP id 8so1853329ywa.13 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 04:42:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=bHTmMJJdaic2mRp1la5FieXC/cMSB7q5DBCQ8HkFFaU=; b=s9pRtnwAxBOtcM/nFbG2Ex5bYKfylqMgjdEit7nWAHJDwT4JTpogcIr+iZZ5UlDiZX w0K3He7G89SFR6eh+9hXq6/vF9EFydlwtYtrA9RKMvAM2U4GsRz1iKDUCvoR2NUB4Zcx lDT5WcP5kT6spE8AmuY5J1IGGbTYNKMwX2fko= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=oJ8djWlFUv0ZoQh+kNJ/cLCbCsaBFZQnO9ADS1AbNB0vwcjKKvcRj9lmRDLqmd5mmC 8lWerMkwVK0Yzgdos8GwV+eN+/OBLkivMNzONh14bWfXLEuP3SOTyh9O+FJqjuB7z32A eQ9HA/smOigB2g4vEgi2zO7J8YHtmlY5AjTls= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.91.42.39 with SMTP id u39mr983774agj.71.1290084134591; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 04:42:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.254.3 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 04:42:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <66248F21-1914-467A-9874-B5987F5E4790@internode.on.net> References: <66248F21-1914-467A-9874-B5987F5E4790@internode.on.net> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:42:14 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Wodfer To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: FreeBSD and large harddrives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:42:15 -0000 [snip] > > 1. Which FreeBSD version should I install? (it must support large > drives). > > I'm currently using the standard FreeBSD 8.1 (STABLE) on several servers, > > but this is a 32bit version, right? I suppose I need a 64bit version when > I > > use large harddrives? > > Freebsd has been 64 bit for a long time. It supports multiple > architectures. You want amd64 (yes, even on an intel 64bit) Thanks! I didn't know I could use amd64 on Intel servers. Then my next questions will be: How about the ports collection - does the 64bit version have most of the ports? I need ffmpeg, php, apache, mysql, imagemagick, ghostscript, exiftools and a few more small ones. > > > > 2. I know that the 3ware Raid controller supports larger drives than 2TB > (or > > was it 1TB?). The Highpoint controller I'm not so sure of, but I've had > good > > experience with these on a few Windows servers and on one FreeBSD server. > My > > setup would be to use the entire disk for both operating system and > > filestorage (in version 1). How can I create this huge partition/slice? I > > don't think the installer (atleast on the standard FreeBSD version) > supports > > these large drives? > > > > You can use vinum or ZFS. > Excellent. I'm using ZFS on a FreeNAS installation. Is ZFS still considered experimental on FreeBSD or is it now production ready? What tool or command is used to partition/format/create a large ZFS drive? Thanks and best regards, Andy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 12:51:12 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C49106566C for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:51:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from indexer@internode.on.net) Received: from mail.internode.on.net (bld-mail13.adl6.internode.on.net [150.101.137.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 561228FC13 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:51:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mai.dhcp.chocolate.lan (unverified [203.122.194.109]) by mail.internode.on.net (SurgeMail 3.8f2) with ESMTP id 47104965-1927428 for multiple; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:21:09 +1030 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Indexer In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:20:51 +1030 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5787770E-2836-43EE-B16C-BAFE9250032D@internode.on.net> References: <66248F21-1914-467A-9874-B5987F5E4790@internode.on.net> To: Andy Wodfer X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.3.1 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD and large harddrives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:51:12 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 18/11/2010, at 23:12, Andy Wodfer wrote: > [snip] >=20 >>> 1. Which FreeBSD version should I install? (it must support large >> drives). >>> I'm currently using the standard FreeBSD 8.1 (STABLE) on several = servers, >>> but this is a 32bit version, right? I suppose I need a 64bit version = when >> I >>> use large harddrives? >>=20 >> Freebsd has been 64 bit for a long time. It supports multiple >> architectures. You want amd64 (yes, even on an intel 64bit) >=20 >=20 > Thanks! I didn't know I could use amd64 on Intel servers. Then my next > questions will be: How about the ports collection - does the 64bit = version > have most of the ports? I need ffmpeg, php, apache, mysql, = imagemagick, > ghostscript, exiftools and a few more small ones. Yes, it has largely the same ports. 64bit support has been very good for = a long time, i use it on all my servers, production and dev. >=20 >=20 >>>=20 >>> 2. I know that the 3ware Raid controller supports larger drives than = 2TB >> (or >>> was it 1TB?). The Highpoint controller I'm not so sure of, but I've = had >> good >>> experience with these on a few Windows servers and on one FreeBSD = server. >> My >>> setup would be to use the entire disk for both operating system and >>> filestorage (in version 1). How can I create this huge = partition/slice? I >>> don't think the installer (atleast on the standard FreeBSD version) >> supports >>> these large drives? >>>=20 >>=20 >> You can use vinum or ZFS. >>=20 > Excellent. I'm using ZFS on a FreeNAS installation. Is ZFS still = considered > experimental on FreeBSD or is it now production ready? What tool or = command > is used to partition/format/create a large ZFS drive? >=20 > Thanks and best regards, > Andy > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" William Brown pgp.mit.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJM5SEuAAoJEHF16AnLoz6J1fQP/jvPKWwQwKNffF4VGvjH/xN/ kFZ7jPCGY9hUamZjw7XpXbS7rmlVQzhUBHNI4og+K/wfn7eCtVE78cKYYWofOJ7S OsboIRRFWIHEL+Ob1MlTxlP+zCKE3ZFM8dy8ZDTqAkX2kEroj2tUrQl63+1uaJeJ 0fJ67Svsv36zVYjIRCJteaWgGARqZSKz8zVl6OfLuedcEh2ui571AWggMdnVtZ+S Y+T6kM9ZP5cYsbX7lruCJRdzM1H1GCaAClwrzpzK5Wedf/TQq07qtbcCohFhhtvw T/cr+KXm+bvOsUbMI/++mXfAxs6JB2mjl1Y0gi8ePFluC3FSwmI7jsdOEhpcY2CD vU27CIIC7bUyY8d0Q77rufVb8CpgcqELUEzejdfP6inBM9sQ+5Ds4M1420EXlGMo w0HXLoK5fYhXpQvBhYwT6gbcrJ/l4vUANa6YwP53igFU3JVXnmgRgA7iDZWyeG3N Ub5tdjcJpUCxUP7W0BMHdOa5/wkwv8vXhBTACRVK0Nrq0gbFTCqUJn2jhEOa2P1x FbrhlWMSXmZ2PlSKro7sqcYg3EeXH8zlPuAWO88ZPufBTxnTqsDY+rBYsM4HFN1S bKcsKWkkF8GoYs0yg407r/GhNt4+GvpQnU9JQJPQVHgwyapvcDT9uIZ/Q9dw1ps6 xL1pUajo//OKwSGBIi2c =3DS+nL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 12:51:15 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D20A210656AC for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:51:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ACBC8FC19 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:51:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC6EE71F3; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:51:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from unknown (client-86-27-40-229.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com [86.27.40.229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:51:13 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:51:13 +0000 From: Bruce Cran To: Andy Wodfer Message-ID: <20101118125113.000008ba@unknown> In-Reply-To: References: <66248F21-1914-467A-9874-B5987F5E4790@internode.on.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.4cvs1 (GTK+ 2.16.0; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD and large harddrives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:51:15 -0000 On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:42:14 +0100 Andy Wodfer wrote: > Thanks! I didn't know I could use amd64 on Intel servers. Then my next > questions will be: How about the ports collection - does the 64bit > version have most of the ports? I need ffmpeg, php, apache, mysql, > imagemagick, ghostscript, exiftools and a few more small ones. amd64 is well supported now. It used to be that lots of ports didn't work, but I think that's mostly (totally?) been fixed now. > Excellent. I'm using ZFS on a FreeNAS installation. Is ZFS still > considered experimental on FreeBSD or is it now production ready? > What tool or command is used to partition/format/create a large ZFS > drive? The stability has greatly improved over the last year but it can still have issues. Apparently if something goes wrong you'll normally have to restore from backups since fixing filesystem errors isn't something you can normally do. There's a guide to installing FreeBSD on zfs at http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot . Note that even if you have a 'legacy' BIOS you can still use GPT - if you use the MBR scheme you'll be limited to a maximum partition of 2TB. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 12:52:27 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3CC3106572D for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:52:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfarmer@predatorlabs.net) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 982EB8FC17 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:52:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk7 with SMTP id 7so1304644qyk.13 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 04:52:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.236.194 with SMTP id kl2mr581590qcb.74.1290084746814; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 04:52:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.16.199 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 04:52:26 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.133.113] In-Reply-To: <4CE50B7B.2070800@zedat.fu-berlin.de> References: <4CE416D0.2020105@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4CE47A1F.804@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4CE50B7B.2070800@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 04:52:26 -0800 Message-ID: From: Rob Farmer To: "O. Hartmann" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: porting software to FreeBSD, what to do if Makefile lacks? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:52:27 -0000 2010/11/18 O. Hartmann : > Well, > in this case, it would really be a 'nice to have', maybe this is worth a PR? > Try asking on the ports@ list. I'm not sure what the criteria is for something being listed there - if something isn't going to be used by very many ports, it may not be worth adding, from a bloat point of view. I would say it is probably safe for your port to assume csh is /bin/csh, though. -- Rob Farmer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 12:53:40 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A31810656C9 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:53:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from indexer@internode.on.net) Received: from mail.internode.on.net (bld-mail16.adl2.internode.on.net [150.101.137.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2F6E8FC15 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:53:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mai.dhcp.chocolate.lan (unverified [203.122.194.109]) by mail.internode.on.net (SurgeMail 3.8f2) with ESMTP id 46835963-1927428 for multiple; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:23:38 +1030 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Indexer In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:23:35 +1030 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5EEBC170-4CFA-4EC8-9849-046C43C7F545@internode.on.net> References: <66248F21-1914-467A-9874-B5987F5E4790@internode.on.net> To: Andy Wodfer X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.3.1 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD and large harddrives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:53:40 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sorry missed the ZFS part. >=20 >=20 >>>=20 >>> 2. I know that the 3ware Raid controller supports larger drives than = 2TB >> (or >>> was it 1TB?). The Highpoint controller I'm not so sure of, but I've = had >> good >>> experience with these on a few Windows servers and on one FreeBSD = server. >> My >>> setup would be to use the entire disk for both operating system and >>> filestorage (in version 1). How can I create this huge = partition/slice? I >>> don't think the installer (atleast on the standard FreeBSD version) >> supports >>> these large drives? >>>=20 >>=20 >> You can use vinum or ZFS. >>=20 > Excellent. I'm using ZFS on a FreeNAS installation. Is ZFS still = considered > experimental on FreeBSD or is it now production ready? What tool or = command > is used to partition/format/create a large ZFS drive? ZFS has its own command set and management tools. There are a number of = talks about production readiness of ZFS. I have never had issues with = it, but my own personal experiences are not true of the world.=20 http://wiki.freebsd.org/ZFSQuickStartGuide i avoid using the raw block devices, and use gpart and create a = partition the size of the device, and then use the /dev/gpart/label = devices.=20 see = http://blogs.freebsdish.org/lulf/2008/12/16/setting-up-a-zfs-only-system/ = for some ideas about gpart and this. >=20 > Thanks and best regards, > Andy > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" William Brown pgp.mit.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJM5SHQAAoJEHF16AnLoz6JPZIQALgW/gs0YlkVKxMkcMqwJe2q /g3Sbb0xqp9Zuo0cwMv5KxZQKhaY2FZ1UD7ynSxB7lwxGEkNFPRUwS/CpXg4lJpK 6WbYEGfN2AAZKW2raE9Ufhb17xBuya5Z02EBnIBWVO9ts4wAiBT3AQ3PGQSuZu+A auO6HRsBcDmd6c/U2Q+Xg4yFXm4Y2RTh8mFzSFsGtKcbiRxPL7GD+isi1+ShbXCH KxNHkW2dub9Udn6cyA/9vCpdLV1SBL69MDh3ihDChI3g+QFgqnMzw2OWDusSxad5 Ub4Ox5dP8X06AYL6jiFThk9Wg51pxLlLj/+DuCvc9dwg0nqZfHca7fWkNQiRleQH kvOMq1OjWY2/E4Jz7qRe3/y7Yy9wrwIs+3w490p/1xtqE8b2d+Lr3g8OZgbkASoJ WWFJhEz5xVlkEusN/hbQpgn0eNOP4E4p7cVWiAf/YcCEDIJOufuIkgLlpBsjXEhP IO3ybMEDnpxVjDbumpUMLaYgXoVG3XDgKtBltb/vexdcvM0tKXNf9mvrAIIuc9dB XvrLXHU04YfggXj6Nakw8wRQqIDQI7JcJsejJNiiQVaBmIkIhoIDVfe4bOxpvrJw JMDWAejiAwqLpN3vgCkF9ohpiXrSwTOFNCAOBYZ+WubODJNfjGFrUdL7Dz+GZlPO Ehv6uu2QbF7SszSc5mHl =3DsTvS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 13:02:26 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DDA21065672 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:02:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F20BB8FC1E for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:02:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42D85E7203; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:02:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from unknown (client-86-27-40-229.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com [86.27.40.229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:02:24 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:02:25 +0000 From: Bruce Cran To: Bruce Cran Message-ID: <20101118130225.0000321d@unknown> In-Reply-To: <20101118125113.000008ba@unknown> References: <66248F21-1914-467A-9874-B5987F5E4790@internode.on.net> <20101118125113.000008ba@unknown> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.4cvs1 (GTK+ 2.16.0; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions , Andy Wodfer Subject: Re: FreeBSD and large harddrives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:02:26 -0000 On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:51:13 +0000 Bruce Cran wrote: > There's a guide to installing FreeBSD on zfs at > http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot . Note that even if you > have a 'legacy' BIOS you can still use GPT - if you use the MBR scheme > you'll be limited to a maximum partition of 2TB. To answer the question - you use gpart to partition the drive and zpool to format it. e.g. for a single disk with no zraid: gpart create -s gpt devicenode gpart add -t freebsd-zfs -l label devicenode zpool create poolname /dev/gpt/label -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 12:55:53 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFD99106567A for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:55:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mohsenjokar@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D0418FC1E for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:55:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwd6 with SMTP id 6so211704qwd.13 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 04:55:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=EhFaVq1xJcArVVfzKC0XVVW+N7Q/llh45JOTOIOeD2g=; b=pHAGQqnGFT8IsZzAlyIEQgENGbqqgmEj65iV/LYwIr4r6ZpP2i9HSptDj7NL8QU+pS Ak6PKH8UZjWimybxNL8PQ279AWTrhzW2Dz4n6QJhbZgQtYFA4UAquwtOBWGvPg6ERs6n xnQ0vkO54sHYWylFSgnKMTB/dGSz2P+q4P9/A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=ikxxdksq3yblj196JMkxnkDQ2BRpgk7N8i+5Psg0FWJxR1w8v/X2qUrt3uWP6b7WCE ZXRQrEzOCVpLSWI0zqq11npEZ9+fOtx+8Qh6HIBtQX7VP02Bqp6gtm83GHPZ7yQBQsk6 a8wNJWOjfPOXid6TEWmO0BroJmQqDbW8IINn4= Received: by 10.229.215.8 with SMTP id hc8mr579815qcb.23.1290084951705; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 04:55:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.109.203 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 04:55:31 -0800 (PST) From: Mohsen Mostafa Jokar Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:25:31 +0330 Message-ID: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:04:38 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Thanks. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:55:53 -0000 Hello. Thank you very much. I want make a new community of FreeBSD for my country, i think i must serve a domain like you tell me. if i serve a domain, second step what is it? i want have a email account with freebsd.org like users in this page http://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglists.html what should i do? I thankful if you guide me. Thanks. Best Regards. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 13:16:51 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126C81065679 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:16:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC3118FC18 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:16:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1PJ4M5-0000Sz-QI>; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:16:49 +0100 Received: from telesto.geoinf.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.86.198]) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1PJ4M5-0001Et-J2>; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:16:49 +0100 Message-ID: <4CE52744.30901@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:16:52 +0100 From: "O. Hartmann" Organization: Freie =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Universit=E4t_Berlin?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101029 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Farmer References: <4CE416D0.2020105@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4CE47A1F.804@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4CE50B7B.2070800@zedat.fu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 130.133.86.198 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: porting software to FreeBSD, what to do if Makefile lacks? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:16:51 -0000 On 11/18/10 13:52, Rob Farmer wrote: > 2010/11/18 O. Hartmann: >> Well, >> in this case, it would really be a 'nice to have', maybe this is worth a PR? >> > > Try asking on the ports@ list. I'm not sure what the criteria is for > something being listed there - if something isn't going to be used by > very many ports, it may not be worth adding, from a bloat point of > view. I would say it is probably safe for your port to assume csh is > /bin/csh, though. I'll do, thanks ;-) Oliver From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 13:51:24 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0162410656C9 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:51:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1-6.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADC9D8FC21 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:51:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:808a:bf97:8eb:f23b] ([IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:808a:bf97:8eb:f23b]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAIDpFxO058437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:51:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-ID: <4CE52F49.4010602@sentex.net> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:51:05 -0500 From: Mike Tancsa User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andy Wodfer References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.67 on IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12 Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD and large harddrives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:51:24 -0000 On 11/18/2010 7:16 AM, Andy Wodfer wrote: > Hi, > I'm going to build a server that's intended to store uncompressed videofiles > (where 1 hour film equals about 500GB). I plan on using Western Digital 2TB > or 3TB SATA harddrives. Total storage in version 1 of this server will > probably be 8-12 TB. Harddrive speed is not so important so a 5400rpm drive > would be OK. Seems like the green line of WD harddrives use both 5400rpm and > 7200rpm. I will use RAID 5. I would stay away from the green series hard drives for this application. There have been a number of reports of issues with the drive's power saving design causing problems when used in raid arrays. Search the list for more details. Use their black series instead. > > The processor will be a 64bit capable Intel processor and I plan on using a > Highpoint Rocketraid or 3ware Raid controller. I would use FreeBSD 8.2 ( a contemporary RELENG_8 snapshot in other words) that is AMD64. eg ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/201011/FreeBSD-8.1-STABLE-201011-amd64-dvd1.iso Use ZFS for the file system. Snapshots for backup and data integrity. 3Wares are great controllers, but a decent MB with 6 SATA ports and then an additional eSata controller with external drive cage like this one. http://www.addonics.com/products/host_controller/adsa3gpx8-4e.asp see the man page for ahci on what is supported. Booting off zfs is a bit tricky. If you already have the 3ware card, a pair of smaller / cheaper drives for the base OS and then all your zfs drives for data storage is the least painful way to go right now. I do this for my backup server. 10TB of storage, but the box boots off a 3ware raid card in raid1 mirror for the base OS. ZFS is a bit of a different beast at first, but its very worth while to get to know and understand. ---Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 13:52:50 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F420A106564A for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:52:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnrp@physik.tu-berlin.de) Received: from mail.tu-berlin.de (mail.tu-berlin.de [130.149.7.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A178FC0C for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:52:49 +0000 (UTC) X-tubIT-Incoming-IP: 130.149.58.163 Received: from mail.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de ([130.149.58.163] helo=mail.physik.tu-berlin.de) by mail.tu-berlin.de (exim-4.69/mailfrontend-a) with esmtp for id 1PJ4uu-0007bb-Bk; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:52:48 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de [127.0.0.1]) by mail.physik.tu-berlin.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3777D11408 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:52:47 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at physik.tu-berlin.de Received: from mail.physik.tu-berlin.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.physik-pool.TU-Berlin.DE [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PqdPlwcr9CmP for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:52:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from adolfputzen (laptopecke.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de [130.149.58.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.physik.tu-berlin.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D03A411405 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:52:43 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:52:39 +0100 From: Julian Fagir To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101118145239.10937b78@adolfputzen> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.14.7; x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/G5vvwumKDYKsTnvKvT2hZZI"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Subject: Escaping from shell-scripts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:52:50 -0000 --Sig_/G5vvwumKDYKsTnvKvT2hZZI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I'm planning a service with a login-user-interface. Thus, I want to restrict the user somehow to this script and to do nothing else. The straight-forward way would be to write this script, have all input pars= ed by read and then let the script act according to this input (let's assume that these tools are secure, it's just cp'ing and writing to non-sensitive files. Are there possibilities to escape from such a script down to a prompt? On the other hand, if I would take python for this, so a python-script is executed, are there ways to get to a generic python-prompt? The restriction to that script would be done by either setting the login-shell to that script, setting the ssh-command for that account/key (a= nd ensuring that it can't be altered), or both. All in all, this is a more general question I have for quite a time: Can you use shell-scripts for security-relevant environments? Does an attacker have the possibility to escape from a script down to a prompt? I'm not that into shell-programming and there are too many legacies about terminals (some time ago, I had to cope with termcap...) and shells which o= ne just can't all know. E.g., it was just a few days ago I found out what a terminal-stop means and that it is still interpreted by screen, though using it for several years n= ow. Regards, Julian --Sig_/G5vvwumKDYKsTnvKvT2hZZI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkzlL6cACgkQFV4nWcOPv/C+IgCeJLJAfSQY0ZrDCer+8wxDw5Iu +yIAoJTFhx28TZk4q9W8UQUXSGQdiNBD =wQTV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/G5vvwumKDYKsTnvKvT2hZZI-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 14:05:36 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1AB3106566C for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:05:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 790BF8FC18 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:05:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emlpfilt4.waddell.com (mailhost.waddell.com [10.1.10.26]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D355A50873; 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Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:24:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B4368FC16 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:24:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwd20 with SMTP id 20so3306233wwd.31 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:24:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.157.17 with SMTP id z17mr712936wbw.142.1290090292536; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:24:52 -0800 (PST) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.227.145.133 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:24:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 09:24:51 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0-og-_sC5ozI1v0lu8w_s6icKVM Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: Mohsen Mostafa Jokar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Thanks. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:24:55 -0000 On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 7:55 AM, Mohsen Mostafa Jokar wrote: > Hello. > Thank you very much. > I want make a new community of FreeBSD for my country, i think i must serve > a domain like you tell me. I admire your enthusiasm but you have to do your homework before you post again. Understand this: Your community is independent from the FreeBSD project it will have no direct connection with FreeBSD.org except for the fact that they just ___might___ list you in the usergroups and mailing list pages, probably once you have demonstrated that your community deserves it. You will have to set-up you own mailing list server (I suggest mailman), and people will subscribe to that list with their own e-mails just like you did to this list. You will not have a mail account with freebsd.org unless you become a long-term and proven collaborator of the project, and even then it's unlikely that you will get such a mail or even need one, and really it's not the goal of the great majority of collaborators in any Open Source project. >From your questions I think you have a lot to read before attempting to form a community. Community building is from the ground-up, it's not like you put a server on the Internet and it happens magically overnight and you become famous. On the contrary, it will be a very hard and usually not appreciated by anyone, nor it will gain you any recognition in the short term. I suggest that before you do anything, just attempt to contact the other FreeBSD users in your community and have a face-to-face meeting to discuss the formation of the Iranian BSD community. Maybe in your university or other universities and institutes you can gain enough mass and interest. Contact the person that owns freebsd.ir and ask him what his plans are with the domain. If you are able to round up these people in person I'm sure that within those meetings you will find many of the answers to your questions. > if i serve a domain, second step what is it? > i want have a email account with freebsd.org like users in this page > http://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglists.html That is just a list of the mailing lists in languages other than English, but each one is maintained independently from the FreeBSD project. > what should i do? > I thankful if you guide me. Contact every FreeBSD user you can find and have a meeting in person. Discuss with them your ideas and be prepared for a lot of hard work. Contact the people at IRNIC (nic.ir I copied their info below), I am sure that people in their IT department will guide you with this. Their Web site uses Apache 2.2.3 on CentOS, so they are probably familiar with Open Source and may direct you to other Open Source communities which will most probably help you and guide you in making your FBSD community there. Using a simple google search I found that on February 3rd, 2010 Abbas Farahmand posted on the FreeBSD forums about translating to Persian, he will surely be of help and will most likely support your cause: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?p=65925#post65925 Here is the info of your local NIC domain: nic.ir ascii: nic.ir remarks: (Domain Holder) Dot-IR (.ir) ccTLD Registry, Institute for Studies in Theoretical Physics and Mathematics (IPM) remarks: (Domain Holder Address) Shahid Bahonar (Niavaran) Sq., Tehran, Tehran, IR org: Dot-IR (.ir) ccTLD Registry, Institute for Studies in Theoretical Physics and Mathematics (IPM) e-mail: info@nic.ir address: Shahid Bahonar (Niavaran) Sq., Tehran, Tehran, IR phone: +98 21 2229 0306 fax-no: +98 21 2229 5700 source: IRNIC # Filtered nic-hdl: as51-irnic person: Alireza Saleh e-mail: alireza@mini.nic.ir source: IRNIC # Filtered From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 14:30:39 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1192E1065672 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:30:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 881568FC1C for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:30:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Status: No X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-1.001, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, BAYES_20 -0.00) X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-ID: oAIEUOpN009754 Received: from gkeramidas-glaptop.linux.gr ([74.125.57.36]) (authenticated bits=0) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id oAIEUOpN009754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:30:31 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Mohsen Mostafa Jokar References: Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:30:24 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Mohsen Mostafa Jokar's message of "Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:25:31 +0330") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Thanks. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:30:39 -0000 On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:25:31 +0330, Mohsen Mostafa Jokar wrote: > Hello. > Thank you very much. You are welcome :) > I want make a new community of FreeBSD for my country, i think > i must serve a domain like you tell me. > > if i serve a domain, second step what is it? > > i want have a email account with freebsd.org like users in this > page http://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglists.html > > what should i do? > I thankful if you guide me. The mailing lists hosted at lists.FreeBSD.org are managed by our postmaster team. So you have to go through the "normal process" before you create a mailing list there. This means that: a) You have to talk to postmaster and convince them that there is a very real need for another mailing list. b) You have to come up with a 'charter' for the mailing list: a short blurb that describes what the list topic will be, who is allowed to post there, etc. c) Once you get approval from postmaster, your list will be created and you can go on using it. I am not sure what you mean by "serve a domain". Do you already have a web site or other community-related place where people can join and talk about FreeBSD-related material? If yes, what is the name of the web site? Can you briefly describe the community itself? Cheers, Giorgos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 14:43:20 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69712106564A for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:43:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AB648FC1E for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:43:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([76.240.47.196]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:43:19 -0800 Message-ID: <4CE53B87.6070801@a1poweruser.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 09:43:19 -0500 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Fagir References: <20101118145239.10937b78@adolfputzen> In-Reply-To: <20101118145239.10937b78@adolfputzen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2010 14:43:19.0414 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1248960:01CB872E] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Escaping from shell-scripts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:43:20 -0000 Julian Fagir wrote: > Hi, > > I'm planning a service with a login-user-interface. Thus, I want to restrict > the user somehow to this script and to do nothing else. > > The straight-forward way would be to write this script, have all input parsed > by read and then let the script act according to this input (let's assume > that these tools are secure, it's just cp'ing and writing to > non-sensitive files. > > Are there possibilities to escape from such a script down to a prompt? > > On the other hand, if I would take python for this, so a python-script is > executed, are there ways to get to a generic python-prompt? > > The restriction to that script would be done by either setting the > login-shell to that script, setting the ssh-command for that account/key (and > ensuring that it can't be altered), or both. > > > All in all, this is a more general question I have for quite a time: Can you > use shell-scripts for security-relevant environments? Does an attacker have > the possibility to escape from a script down to a prompt? > > I'm not that into shell-programming and there are too many legacies about > terminals (some time ago, I had to cope with termcap...) and shells which one > just can't all know. > E.g., it was just a few days ago I found out what a terminal-stop means and > that it is still interpreted by screen, though using it for several years now. > > > Regards, Julian Your should think about "JAILS" and qjail in particular, http://sourceforge.net/projects/qjail/ If you don't have to many users just allocate a jail for each user id or all those users in a single jail and then you don't need any of the script stuff you are talking about. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 14:52:41 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09C18106566C for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:52:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ryan.coleman@cwis.biz) Received: from server.cwis.biz (70-89-202-5-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB868FC18 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:52:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.cwis.biz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10908262631B; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:52:44 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cwis.biz Received: from server.cwis.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (server.cwis.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qBbEhLR54D1S; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:52:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from [10.0.1.5] (70-89-202-1-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 23DBF262631A; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:52:41 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) From: Ryan Coleman In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:52:35 -0600 Message-Id: References: To: Andy Wodfer X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD and large harddrives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:52:41 -0000 On Nov 18, 2010, at 6:16 AM, Andy Wodfer wrote: > Hi, > I'm going to build a server that's intended to store uncompressed = videofiles > (where 1 hour film equals about 500GB). I plan on using Western = Digital 2TB > or 3TB SATA harddrives. Total storage in version 1 of this server = will > probably be 8-12 TB. Harddrive speed is not so important so a 5400rpm = drive > would be OK. Seems like the green line of WD harddrives use both = 5400rpm and > 7200rpm. I will use RAID 5. As a user of such a system (1.5TB, though) I recommend that you NOT use = the green drives. If you insist on WD go with the Black. I've had good = luck with Hitachi, myself. > The processor will be a 64bit capable Intel processor and I plan on = using a > Highpoint Rocketraid or 3ware Raid controller. I have the RR2320 and am happy. >=20 > So now my questions: >=20 > 1. Which FreeBSD version should I install? (it must support large = drives). > I'm currently using the standard FreeBSD 8.1 (STABLE) on several = servers, > but this is a 32bit version, right? I suppose I need a 64bit version = when I > use large harddrives? Running 8.1 for the AMD64. I'd run 64bit no matter what. You can always = get 32bit to run in 64, but not v-v. > 2. I know that the 3ware Raid controller supports larger drives than = 2TB (or > was it 1TB?). The Highpoint controller I'm not so sure of, but I've = had good > experience with these on a few Windows servers and on one FreeBSD = server. My > setup would be to use the entire disk for both operating system and > filestorage (in version 1). How can I create this huge = partition/slice? I > don't think the installer (atleast on the standard FreeBSD version) = supports > these large drives? Yes. I'm using UFS (at the recommendation 3 years ago of this list) and = am quite happy. The 2320s are supporting both an 8x1TB RAID5 (6.3TB) = and an 8x1.5TB RAID5 (~9.5TB) without issue. If you get it all going OK = in the first run you have a web interface for the RR223x boards.=20 > Thanks for your help. I might have follow-up questions as my project = make > progress. Good luck, Andy. > Best, > Andy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 15:09:21 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8898E1065670 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:09:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 254218FC18 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:09:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so1958579ewy.13 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 07:09:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.113.210 with SMTP id b18mr596802ebq.18.1290092959866; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 07:09:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.10.65 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 07:08:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Chris Brennan Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 10:08:59 -0500 Message-ID: To: Giorgos Keramidas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Mohsen Mostafa Jokar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Thanks. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:09:21 -0000 > On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:25:31 +0330, Mohsen Mostafa Jokar < > mohsenjokar@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello. > Didn't Mohsen Mostafar Jokar post this same question last week? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 15:15:03 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68AE1106564A for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:15:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03A198FC13 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:15:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb35 with SMTP id 35so2525612wyb.13 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 07:15:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.147.129 with SMTP id l1mr798522wbv.55.1290093290329; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 07:14:50 -0800 (PST) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.227.145.133 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 07:14:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 10:14:48 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Yvwpe7WB-O9UkWFLL50e0zyNkiI Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: Chris Brennan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , Mohsen Mostafa Jokar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Thanks. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:15:03 -0000 On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Chris Brennan wrote: >> On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:25:31 +0330, Mohsen Mostafa Jokar < >> mohsenjokar@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Hello. >> > > > Didn't Mohsen Mostafar Jokar post this same question last week? Yes. This second one was an apparent follow-up, hopefully he will STFW and RTFM before posting again ;-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 15:18:58 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7BD1065679 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:18:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ryan.coleman@cwis.biz) Received: from server.cwis.biz (70-89-202-5-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CF048FC12 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:18:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.cwis.biz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96B832626322; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 09:19:01 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cwis.biz Received: from server.cwis.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (server.cwis.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZgOG01Q-zS6F; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 09:19:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from [10.0.1.5] (70-89-202-1-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ED2C32626321; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 09:18:59 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ryan Coleman In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 09:18:55 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Alejandro Imass X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , Mohsen Mostafa Jokar , Chris Brennan , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Thanks. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:18:58 -0000 On Nov 18, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Alejandro Imass wrote: > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Chris Brennan = wrote: >>> On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:25:31 +0330, Mohsen Mostafa Jokar < >>> mohsenjokar@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Hello. >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Didn't Mohsen Mostafar Jokar post this same question last week? >=20 > Yes. This second one was an apparent follow-up, hopefully he will STFW > and RTFM before posting again ;-) Assuming he knows what STFW and RTFM mean. :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 16:15:57 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AED41065672 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:15:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [65.122.17.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0A4F8FC13 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:15:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAIGFtnS019314; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:15:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oAIGFsgr019309; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:15:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:15:52 -0500 (EST) From: doug To: Julian Fagir In-Reply-To: <20101118145239.10937b78@adolfputzen> Message-ID: References: <20101118145239.10937b78@adolfputzen> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:15:56 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Escaping from shell-scripts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: doug@safeport.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:15:57 -0000 On Thu, 18 Nov 2010, Julian Fagir wrote: > Hi, > > I'm planning a service with a login-user-interface. Thus, I want to restrict > the user somehow to this script and to do nothing else. > > The straight-forward way would be to write this script, have all input parsed > by read and then let the script act according to this input (let's assume > that these tools are secure, it's just cp'ing and writing to > non-sensitive files. > > Are there possibilities to escape from such a script down to a prompt? > > On the other hand, if I would take python for this, so a python-script is > executed, are there ways to get to a generic python-prompt? > > The restriction to that script would be done by either setting the > login-shell to that script, setting the ssh-command for that account/key (and > ensuring that it can't be altered), or both. > > > All in all, this is a more general question I have for quite a time: Can you > use shell-scripts for security-relevant environments? Does an attacker have > the possibility to escape from a script down to a prompt? > > I'm not that into shell-programming and there are too many legacies about > terminals (some time ago, I had to cope with termcap...) and shells which one > just can't all know. > E.g., it was just a few days ago I found out what a terminal-stop means and > that it is still interpreted by screen, though using it for several years now. > > > Regards, Julian If you make a program a shell AFAIK to escape is to logff. Bash has a chroot like facility that might work. However if you write a simple C program as a wrapper for your shell script and make that program a shell, I would think that is pretty secure. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 16:27:34 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E2D5106566C for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:27:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10BD8FC0C for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:27:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyb7 with SMTP id 7so2041850eyb.13 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:27:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.29.68 with SMTP id p4mr3752549ebc.31.1290097652614; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:27:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.10.65 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:27:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20101118145239.10937b78@adolfputzen> References: <20101118145239.10937b78@adolfputzen> From: Chris Brennan Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:27:12 -0500 Message-ID: To: Julian Fagir Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Escaping from shell-scripts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:27:34 -0000 On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Julian Fagir wrote: > Hi, > > I'm planning a service with a login-user-interface. Thus, I want to > restrict > the user somehow to this script and to do nothing else. > > The straight-forward way would be to write this script, have all input > parsed > by read and then let the script act according to this input (let's assume > that these tools are secure, it's just cp'ing and writing to > non-sensitive files. > > Are there possibilities to escape from such a script down to a prompt? > > On the other hand, if I would take python for this, so a python-script is > executed, are there ways to get to a generic python-prompt? > > The restriction to that script would be done by either setting the > login-shell to that script, setting the ssh-command for that account/key > (and > ensuring that it can't be altered), or both. > > > All in all, this is a more general question I have for quite a time: Can > you > use shell-scripts for security-relevant environments? Does an attacker have > the possibility to escape from a script down to a prompt? > > I'm not that into shell-programming and there are too many legacies about > terminals (some time ago, I had to cope with termcap...) and shells which > one > just can't all know. > E.g., it was just a few days ago I found out what a terminal-stop means and > that it is still interpreted by screen, though using it for several years > now. > > > Regards, Julian > While I cannot answer your question fully, you could use python as the user's shell and call the python script in question by passing the script to the parser as login, how specifically that is done, I am not sure. I've never used py as a login shell but I am fairly certain it can be done.... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 16:36:48 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D04106566C for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:36:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.39]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CCDA8FC17 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:36:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 32525 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2010 16:36:47 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 18 Nov 2010 16:36:47 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 4C48650825; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:36:46 -0500 (EST) From: Lowell Gilbert To: doug@safeport.com References: <20101118145239.10937b78@adolfputzen> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:36:46 -0500 In-Reply-To: (doug@fledge.watson.org's message of "Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:15:52 -0500 (EST)") Message-ID: <44k4kawpup.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Julian Fagir Subject: Re: Escaping from shell-scripts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:36:48 -0000 doug writes: > If you make a program a shell AFAIK to escape is to logff. Bash has a > chroot like facility that might work. However if you write a simple C > program as a wrapper for your shell script and make that program a > shell, I would think that is pretty secure. As long as you don't call anything that can create an inferior shell. A common mistake when doing this kind of thing is to allow some file editing or mail reading, using programs that have a "shell escape" capability. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 17:29:43 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83189106564A for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 17:29:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pgiessel@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout018.mac.com (asmtpout018.mac.com [17.148.16.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C07C8FC0A for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 17:29:43 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Received: from Blue-Star.local ([12.12.31.115]) by asmtp018.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0LC300AZICLFP000@asmtp018.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 09:29:42 -0800 (PST) X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1011180128 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-11-18_08:2010-11-18, 2010-11-18, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:29:41 -0900 From: "Peter A. Giessel" To: Andy Wodfer X-Priority: 3 In-reply-to: Message-id: X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.2.5 Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD and large harddrives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 17:29:43 -0000 On 2010/11/18 at 3:16, wodfer@gmail.com (Andy Wodfer) wrote: >Total storage in version 1 of this server will >probably be 8-12 TB. ... >The processor will be a 64bit capable Intel processor and I plan on using a >Highpoint Rocketraid or 3ware Raid controller. ... >1. Which FreeBSD version should I install? ... >2. I know that the 3ware Raid controller supports larger drives than 2TB (or >was it 1TB?)... How can I create this huge partition/slice? I >don't think the installer (atleast on the standard FreeBSD version) supports >these large drives? Just chiming in with my own experience... I built a "cheap" media storage server so I don't have to keep digging DVDs out of the pile and can just stream them from the server. 4x1.5TB Raid 5 disks. I haven't updated it to FreeBSD 8.2 yet, so: [media: ~]> uname -a FreeBSD media 8.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE #0: Sat Nov 21 15:48:17 UTC 2009 root@almeida.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 (its a Pentium 4... cheap but effective hardware... the processor is hardly ever significantly used. Its just a file server). To ease booting problems, I used 3ware's drivers to create a booting volume out of the bigger unit. FYI: I used Seagate hard drives (I hear they are coming out with a 3TB internal drive any day now): _______________________________________________________ # tw_cli /c0 show all /c0 Driver Version = 3.70.05.001 /c0 Model = 9550SXU-4LP /c0 Available Memory = 112MB /c0 Firmware Version = FE9X 3.08.00.029 /c0 Bios Version = BE9X 3.10.00.003 /c0 Boot Loader Version = BL9X 3.02.00.001 /c0 Serial Number = L320912A9410199 /c0 PCB Version = Rev 032 /c0 PCHIP Version = 1.60 /c0 ACHIP Version = 1.90 /c0 Number of Ports = 4 /c0 Number of Drives = 4 /c0 Number of Units = 1 /c0 Total Optimal Units = 1 /c0 Not Optimal Units = 0 /c0 JBOD Export Policy = off /c0 Disk Spinup Policy = 1 /c0 Spinup Stagger Time Policy (sec) = 1 /c0 Auto-Carving Policy = off /c0 Auto-Carving Size = 2048 GB /c0 Auto-Rebuild Policy = on /c0 Rebuild Rate = 1 /c0 Verify Rate = 1 /c0 Controller Bus Type = PCIX /c0 Controller Bus Width = 64 bits /c0 Controller Bus Speed = 66 Mhz Unit UnitType Status %RCmpl %V/I/M Stripe Size(GB) Cache AVrfy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ u0 RAID-5 OK - - 64K 4190.92 ON OFF Port Status Unit Size Blocks Serial --------------------------------------------------------------- p0 OK u0 1.36 TB 2930277168 9VS2Y6AV p1 OK u0 1.36 TB 2930277168 9VS2X5A2 p2 OK u0 1.36 TB 2930277168 9VS2VDDA p3 OK u0 1.36 TB 2930277168 9VS2X5P6 _______________________________________________________ Because I was using an older motherboard that doesn't have EFI, I needed a boot partition that was less than 2.2TB, so I used 3ware's bios utility to make 2 volumes: _______________________________________________________ # tw_cli /c0/u0 show Unit UnitType Status %RCmpl %V/I/M Port Stripe Size(GB) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ u0 RAID-5 OK - - - 64K 4190.92 u0-0 DISK OK - - p3 - 1396.97 u0-1 DISK OK - - p2 - 1396.97 u0-2 DISK OK - - p1 - 1396.97 u0-3 DISK OK - - p0 - 1396.97 u0/v0 Volume - - - - - 20 u0/v1 Volume - - - - - 4170.92 _______________________________________________________ To partition the larger volume I used gpart: _______________________________________________________ # gpart show => 63 41942943 da0 MBR (20G) 63 41929587 1 freebsd [active] (20G) 41929650 13356 - free - (6.5M) => 0 41929587 da0s1 BSD (20G) 0 524288 1 freebsd-ufs (256M) 524288 8388608 2 freebsd-swap (4.0G) 8912896 8388608 4 freebsd-ufs (4.0G) 17301504 8388608 5 freebsd-ufs (4.0G) 25690112 16239475 6 freebsd-ufs (7.7G) => 34 8747055038 da1 GPT (4.1T) 34 8747055038 1 freebsd-ufs (4.1T) _______________________________________________________ Which turned out thusly: _______________________________________________________ # df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/da0s1a 248M 163M 64M 72% / devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev /dev/da1p1 3.9T 3.5T 155G 96% /media /dev/da0s1e 3.9G 18K 3.6G 0% /tmp /dev/da0s1f 7.5G 3.4G 3.5G 50% /usr /dev/da0s1d 3.9G 234M 3.3G 6% /var _______________________________________________________ I just used UFS formatted slices as I was planning to share quite a few of them using NFS. It has worked quite well and I'm quite happy with my setup. I really like the 3ware raid cards. They have worked quite well for me both on this project and on a previous server project. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 17:44:18 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4638210657C3 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 17:44:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ryan.coleman@cwis.biz) Received: from server.cwis.biz (70-89-202-5-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C0708FC1A for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 17:44:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.cwis.biz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56A7B2626358; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:44:20 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cwis.biz Received: from server.cwis.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (server.cwis.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qOrz97RPPWmn; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:44:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from [10.0.1.5] (70-89-202-1-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 79FA32626359; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:44:18 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ryan Coleman X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:44:14 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <158E057B-52BB-449E-B5C9-3239B13622F1@cwis.biz> References: To: Peter A. Giessel X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: freebsd-questions , Andy Wodfer Subject: Re: FreeBSD and large harddrives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 17:44:18 -0000 On Nov 18, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Peter A. Giessel wrote: > On 2010/11/18 at 3:16, wodfer@gmail.com (Andy Wodfer) wrote: >=20 >> Total storage in version 1 of this server will >> probably be 8-12 TB. > ... >> The processor will be a 64bit capable Intel processor and I plan on = using a >> Highpoint Rocketraid or 3ware Raid controller. > ... >> 1. Which FreeBSD version should I install? > ... >> 2. I know that the 3ware Raid controller supports larger drives than = 2TB (or >> was it 1TB?)... How can I create this huge partition/slice? I >> don't think the installer (atleast on the standard FreeBSD version) = supports >> these large drives? >=20 > Just chiming in with my own experience... I built a "cheap" media = storage server > so I don't have to keep digging DVDs out of the pile and can just = stream them > from the server. 4x1.5TB Raid 5 disks. >=20 > I haven't updated it to FreeBSD 8.2 yet, so: > [media: ~]> uname -a > FreeBSD media 8.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE #0: Sat Nov 21 15:48:17 = UTC 2009 root@almeida.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC = i386 > (its a Pentium 4... cheap but effective hardware... the processor is = hardly > ever significantly used. Its just a file server). >=20 > To ease booting problems, I used 3ware's drivers to create a booting = volume > out of the bigger unit. FYI: I used Seagate hard drives (I hear they = are > coming out with a 3TB internal drive any day now): Yes, but a 5200-5400 RPM drive, I believe. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 17:56:47 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF9501065670 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 17:56:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pgiessel@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout012.mac.com (asmtpout012.mac.com [17.148.16.87]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8CD28FC28 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 17:56:47 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Received: from Blue-Star.local ([12.12.31.115]) by asmtp012.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0LC300KGIDU1QM90@asmtp012.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 09:56:28 -0800 (PST) X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1011180136 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-11-18_08:2010-11-18, 2010-11-18, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:56:27 -0900 From: "Peter A. Giessel" To: Ryan Coleman X-Priority: 3 In-reply-to: <158E057B-52BB-449E-B5C9-3239B13622F1@cwis.biz> Message-id: X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.2.5 Cc: freebsd-questions , Andy Wodfer Subject: Re: FreeBSD and large harddrives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 17:56:47 -0000 On 2010/11/18 at 8:44, ryan.coleman@cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) wrote: >>FYI: I used Seagate hard drives (I hear they are >>coming out with a 3TB internal drive any day now): > > >Yes, but a 5200-5400 RPM drive, I believe. From the OP: On 2010/11/18 at 3:16, wodfer@gmail.com (Andy Wodfer) wrote: >Harddrive speed is not so important so a 5400rpm drive >would be OK. It would seem to me that a 5400 RPM very large drive is exactly what he is looking for. As he was being discouraged from using WD Greenline (which if the rumors are accurate is the only version the WD 3TB drive will be initially available in), the Seagate 3TB option may be useful to him. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 18:06:12 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17CCD106564A for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:06:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout027.mac.com (asmtpout027.mac.com [17.148.16.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00C128FC18 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:06:11 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp027.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-18.01 64bit (built Jul 15 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LC300LX2E9RPQ30@asmtp027.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 10:05:52 -0800 (PST) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-11-18_08:2010-11-18, 2010-11-18, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1011180140 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <20101118145239.10937b78@adolfputzen> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 10:05:51 -0800 Message-id: <0988B83D-77E5-4581-BBC1-640FEC31D458@mac.com> References: <20101118145239.10937b78@adolfputzen> To: Julian Fagir X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Escaping from shell-scripts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:06:12 -0000 On Nov 18, 2010, at 5:52 AM, Julian Fagir wrote: > The straight-forward way would be to write this script, have all input parsed > by read and then let the script act according to this input (let's assume > that these tools are secure, it's just cp'ing and writing to > non-sensitive files. > > Are there possibilities to escape from such a script down to a prompt? Yes; consider using something like: trap "" 2 3 18 ...prevent them from using control-C, control-Z, control-\ to play games with the script. > All in all, this is a more general question I have for quite a time: Can you > use shell-scripts for security-relevant environments? Yes, but you really shouldn't trust them any farther than you would trust a user with an interactive shell. It's just too easy to exploit $IFS, invoke command line utilities that provide shell escapes, etc. Python or C is likely to be more securable, but getting it right is trickier than it may appear. Start with never trusting user-supplied inputs, always validate against a whitelist of what is trusted rather than trying to blacklist bad stuff. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 18:19:17 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08A2106566B for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:19:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.net) Received: from lariat.net (lariat.net [66.119.58.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 394518FC16 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:19:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from WildRover.lariat.net (hotspot.lariat.net [66.119.58.162]) by lariat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13784 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 10:41:48 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <201011181741.KAA13784@lariat.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 10:41:42 -0700 To: questions@freebsd.org From: Brett Glass Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: Subject: Realtek 8111C support? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:19:17 -0000 Does FreeBSD 8.1 have support for the Realtek 8111C GigE adapter chip? --Brett Glass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 18:23:05 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27CA8106566C for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:23:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout024.mac.com (asmtpout024.mac.com [17.148.16.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10DB28FC16 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:23:04 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp024.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-18.01 64bit (built Jul 15 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LC300CNUF2DTH70@asmtp024.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 10:23:01 -0800 (PST) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-11-18_08:2010-11-18, 2010-11-18, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1011180146 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <4CE52F49.4010602@sentex.net> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 10:23:01 -0800 Message-id: <218D523D-A5BF-4E37-BC75-2FBF67C1D618@mac.com> References: <4CE52F49.4010602@sentex.net> To: Andy Wodfer X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD and large harddrives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:23:05 -0000 On Nov 18, 2010, at 5:51 AM, Mike Tancsa wrote: > On 11/18/2010 7:16 AM, Andy Wodfer wrote: >> Harddrive speed is not so important so a 5400rpm drive >> would be OK. Seems like the green line of WD harddrives use both 5400rpm and >> 7200rpm. I will use RAID 5. > > I would stay away from the green series hard drives for this > application. There have been a number of reports of issues with the > drive's power saving design causing problems when used in raid arrays. > Search the list for more details. Use their black series instead. While the WDC green drives are unsuitable for any RAID application, and the WDC black series drives would be better, I'd only use them for a RAID-1 or RAID-10 setup. If the OP wants to use RAID-5 then you really need to go with the RE3/RE4 or RE-GP enterprise models due to TLER: http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1397 Otherwise, you're quite likely to have a drive or two get dropped out of the array due to a single bad sector, and you might end up having the entire RAID-5 volume getting corrupted as a consequence.... Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 18:46:21 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F5E106566B for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:46:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7DA48FC17 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:46:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm19 with SMTP id 19so1968123fxm.13 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 10:46:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=8oXdDjfVo91dOKyTTAy8OZ6cKGbnUg4pujF8DPMTFq0=; b=FLRlcSruyRS3k7/58nSsj+qsz28z6F4FLZhxdNlBaerC3pI98ud9d+0k3JTcIf8+g+ woyw92C2aC76aWNKr3A/sWsqDYeOMJLYyhLiWwi05VPXQikrhyf5qbjtYCttoqfki4+Q 0w85u8R0lYLdMo4hIhhrYPy3bIVes8CMwXXW0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=xRnWvbkiUMjfE9qRJOi49+2XAd5NFKoGjM/wsc4iPAibkbZQXMTn9W9cmxJUeIhtVs Kx8z+xCXYAAY+6k2B6JUS8UQqYG+DivxzH2xmjFpRPtlCwSQz2fuRYzj22m7Khl5anbC OVtrU3PyDqudPb7PTRtQCtfqN0ns/Zw5FLiAU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.86.9 with SMTP id q9mr943796fal.25.1290105979639; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 10:46:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.121.138 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 10:46:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201011181741.KAA13784@lariat.net> References: <201011181741.KAA13784@lariat.net> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:46:19 -0600 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Brett Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Realtek 8111C support? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:46:21 -0000 On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Brett Glass wrote: > Does FreeBSD 8.1 have support for the Realtek 8111C GigE adapter chip? > Yes, it's in re(4) -- RTL8168/8111/8111c. The man page doesn't seem to specifically address it but it does work fine. I'm running stable on the box with these chips now but I'm pretty sure 8.1 RELEASE was on here at one point and ran fine. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 18:54:53 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8504A106564A for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:54:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forward2.mail.yandex.net (forward2.mail.yandex.net [77.88.46.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357CE8FC12 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:54:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp4.mail.yandex.net (smtp4.mail.yandex.net [77.88.46.104]) by forward2.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 621EE38AA09C for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:54:51 +0300 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1290106491; bh=JB7IYCD6lQpkXpZLc6Sx0XbQbhs+AnfcshWav0KOr/Q=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KGbjH4WZDkXGxWka/NctZacNdHOpV8DhP65jKQrYEbHJG2TMUcLzFbPZ6SP53X8pn 2DOwHcPoY2ApYVnY1F7rZ1ua7n4qydECiQIUFVcPeCDiPX1+IkW/f+LqJ071evJoPp G+QnDWjb4orOhWCqsXxOIseZe/ttk1yLXl7AgG+c= Received: from HOMEUSER (unknown [77.93.36.205]) by smtp4.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTPA id 23BAE12804E for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:54:51 +0300 (MSK) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 20:54:53 +0200 From: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: =?windows-1251?B?188gyu7t/Oru4iwgRnJlZUxpbmU=?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1961077042.20101118205453@yandex.ru> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: BUG: wrong log messages X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:54:53 -0000 Hi, Freebsd-questions. Nov 18 20:27:54 meta-up kernel: Nov 18 20:29:11 meta-up kernel: <<110>ip11f0w>: ipfw: 102 102D enyD enTyCP T1C9P 192.168.2.173:4425 192.168.168.155:445 out via re0 Nov 18 20:32:30 meta-up kernel: <110 iefw: 102 Deny UDP 192.168.2.90:54625 192.168.1.33:59306 out via re0 Nov 18 20:33:55 meta-up kernel: 1u0 ipa re0 Nov 18 20:42:07 meta-up kernel: Nov 18 20:47:34 meta-up kernel: <<11101>0i>ippffww:: 110022 DDeennyy UUDDPP 118982..9136.86.23..41931::1500030698 11929.21.61868.. 21..91073::1417464787 oouutt vviiaa rree00 sources 17.11.2010 # uname -a FreeBSD meta-up 9.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT #6: Wed Nov 17 17:35:17 EET 2010 adm@meta-up:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v9 i386 -- , mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 20:00:42 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58227106566B for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 20:00:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.net) Received: from lariat.net (lariat.net [66.119.58.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE27B8FC0A for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 20:00:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from WildRover.lariat.net (hotspot.lariat.net [66.119.58.162]) by lariat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15543; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:00:36 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <201011182000.NAA15543@lariat.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:00:29 -0700 To: Adam Vande More From: Brett Glass In-Reply-To: References: <201011181741.KAA13784@lariat.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Realtek 8111C support? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 20:00:42 -0000 Thank you. Neither the 8.1 release notes nor the man page mentions the chip. They both should. --Brett Glass At 11:46 AM 11/18/2010, Adam Vande More wrote: >On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Brett Glass ><brett@lariat.net> wrote: >Does FreeBSD 8.1 have support for the Realtek 8111C GigE adapter chip? > > >Yes, it's in re(4) -- RTL8168/8111/8111c. > >The man page doesn't seem to specifically address it but it does >work fine. I'm running stable on the box with these chips now but >I'm pretty sure 8.1 RELEASE was on here at one point and ran fine. > >-- >Adam Vande More > > >---------- > >No virus found in this message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 424/3264 - Release Date: 11/18/10 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 21:00:33 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D9721065673 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:00:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonc@chen.org.nz) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F37108FC15 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:00:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyb7 with SMTP id 7so2303729eyb.13 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:00:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.165.15 with SMTP id d15mr1171894wel.111.1290113673691; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:54:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.160.11 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:54:33 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [203.99.129.1] In-Reply-To: <683205662.20101117203818@yandex.ru> References: <683205662.20101117203818@yandex.ru> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 09:54:33 +1300 Message-ID: From: Jonathan Chen To: =?KOI8-R?B?68/O2MvP1yDl18fFzsnK?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: strange behaviour on FreeBSD 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:00:33 -0000 2010/11/18 =EB=CF=CE=D8=CB=CF=D7 =E5=D7=C7=C5=CE=C9=CA : > Hi. > > Sometimes system goes to this situation: 0% idle and no processes take CP= U time > > #top -SIHP > last pid: 62813; =9Aload averages: =9A4.17, =9A3.64, =9A2.16 =9A up 28+06= :44:02 =9A20:41:41 > 155 processes: 7 running, 129 sleeping, 19 waiting > CPU: 99.3% user, =9A0.0% nice, =9A0.7% system, =9A0.0% interrupt, =9A0.0%= idle > Mem: 177M Active, 27M Inact, 124M Wired, 13M Cache, 60M Buf, 148M Free > Swap: 2048M Total, 51M Used, 1997M Free, 2% Inuse > > =9APID USERNAME =9A PRI NICE =9A SIZE =9A =9ARES STATE =9A =9ATIME =9A WC= PU COMMAND > > #top > last pid: 62852; =9Aload averages: =9A4.10, =9A3.67, =9A2.22 =9A up 28+06= :44:36 =9A20:42:15 > 172 processes: 4 running, 168 sleeping > CPU: 99.6% user, =9A0.0% nice, =9A0.4% system, =9A0.0% interrupt, =9A0.0%= idle > Mem: 203M Active, 27M Inact, 125M Wired, 13M Cache, 60M Buf, 121M Free > Swap: 2048M Total, 51M Used, 1997M Free, 2% Inuse > > =9APID USERNAME =9A =9ATHR PRI NICE =9A SIZE =9A =9ARES STATE =9A =9ATIME= =9A WCPU COMMAND > 62817 root =9A =9A =9A =9A 36 =9A-8 =9A =9A0 29696K 23276K piperd =9A 0:0= 0 =9A7.62% perl5.8.8 If you look at the "last pid" between the 2 top-output snippets, you can see that approx 40 processes came and went in-between. This indiciates that you probably have some script running that's spawning a large number of short-lived processes. --=20 Jonathan Chen From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 21:10:40 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0316C1065673 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:10:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonc@chen.org.nz) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90DF78FC25 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:10:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb35 with SMTP id 35so2868906wyb.13 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:10:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.138.147 with SMTP id a19mr1204239wbu.225.1290113152209; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:45:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.160.11 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:45:52 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [203.99.129.1] In-Reply-To: <1961077042.20101118205453@yandex.ru> References: <1961077042.20101118205453@yandex.ru> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 09:45:52 +1300 Message-ID: From: Jonathan Chen To: =?KOI8-R?B?68/O2MvP1yDl18fFzsnK?= , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: BUG: wrong log messages X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:10:40 -0000 2010/11/19 =EB=CF=CE=D8=CB=CF=D7 =E5=D7=C7=C5=CE=C9=CA > > Hi, Freebsd-questions. > > Nov 18 20:27:54 meta-up kernel: > Nov 18 20:29:11 meta-up kernel: <<110>ip11f0w>: ipfw: 102 102D enyD enTyC= P =9AT1C9P 192.168.2.173:4425 192.168.168.155:445 out via re0 > Nov 18 20:32:30 meta-up kernel: <110 iefw: 102 Deny UDP 192.168.2.90:5462= 5 192.168.1.33:59306 out via re0 > Nov 18 20:33:55 meta-up kernel: 1u0 ipa re0 > Nov 18 20:42:07 meta-up kernel: > Nov 18 20:47:34 meta-up kernel: <<11101>0i>ippffww:: =9A110022 =9ADDeenny= y =9AUUDDPP =9A118982..9136.86.23..41931::1500030698 =9A11929.21.61868.. > 21..91073::1417464787 =9Aoouutt =9Avviiaa =9Arree00 > This particular bug of overlapping output from multiple-core machines has been around for years. I don't think it's going to get fixed anytime soon. -- Jonathan Chen From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 21:55:07 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C3EA1065672 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:55:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A518FC0C for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:55:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PJCRd-0002QG-My for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:55:05 -0800 Message-ID: <30252640.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:55:05 -0800 (PST) From: Ivo Karabojkov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: ivo@kit-bg.com Subject: FreeBSD samba+winbind X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:55:07 -0000 Dear Sirs, I am having troubles with IDMapping users from Server 2003 AD to my FreeBSD 8.1 Samba 3.5. Well, most of Samba documentation should be considered outdated, I had total failure with RID backend for IDMap. The only working (so far) for me is the default: tdb. I have set nsswitch.conf, pam.d and so on correctly. And here is my problem: everything works almost fine, wbinfo shows my domain accounts, I am able to set these accounts and groups as owners of files. Commands like ls, chown, id show AD accounts correctly. pw, getent - show only local system accounts. I need Samba only for file sharing with ACLs, no PAM authentication or something more. So, technically, it works but since I can't see ALL accounts with getent I think something is wrong. IDMapped accounts are with uid and gid > 10000 I think I am missing something very small and simple, so I hope someone will help me! Thanks in advance, Ivo -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/FreeBSD-samba%2Bwinbind-tp30252640p30252640.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 23:10:45 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC892106566B for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:10:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@fletchermoorland.co.uk) Received: from hydra.fletchermoorland.co.uk (hydra.fletchermoorland.co.uk [78.33.209.59]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 422F58FC16 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:10:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from demophon.fletchermoorland.co.uk ([192.168.0.154]) by hydra.fletchermoorland.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id oAIMiCOI032779; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:44:12 GMT (envelope-from paul@fletchermoorland.co.uk) Message-ID: <4CE5AC3C.8000402@fletchermoorland.co.uk> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:44:12 +0000 From: Paul Wootton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100817 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Swiger , Andy Wodfer References: <4CE52F49.4010602@sentex.net> <218D523D-A5BF-4E37-BC75-2FBF67C1D618@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <218D523D-A5BF-4E37-BC75-2FBF67C1D618@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on hydra.fletchermoorland.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD and large harddrives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:10:45 -0000 On 11/18/10 18:23, Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Nov 18, 2010, at 5:51 AM, Mike Tancsa wrote: >> On 11/18/2010 7:16 AM, Andy Wodfer wrote: >>> Harddrive speed is not so important so a 5400rpm drive >>> would be OK. Seems like the green line of WD harddrives use both 5400rpm and >>> 7200rpm. I will use RAID 5. >> I would stay away from the green series hard drives for this >> application. There have been a number of reports of issues with the >> drive's power saving design causing problems when used in raid arrays. >> Search the list for more details. Use their black series instead. > While the WDC green drives are unsuitable for any RAID application From my own personal experience, I will not use WD Green drives again, be it for RAID or not. I have a one as my boot up and OS drive on a home server configured as a single drive in a ZFS pool (so none RAID). The load/unload cycle is rated at 300,000. Here is a copy from smartctl 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 092 092 000 Old_age Always - 5958 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 001 001 000 Old_age Always - 885346 The drive has less than 250 days online, but is nearly at tripple the rated load/unload cycle. While the drive is still working, I have NO faith in it anymore and am just waiting for it to die. Paul From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 19 00:12:31 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FDD21065696 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 00:12:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tom@diogunix.com) Received: from mail.kepos.org (mail.kepos.org [64.120.5.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F3848FC17 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 00:12:31 +0000 (UTC) From: "tom@diogunix.com" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Panagiotis Christias Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 01:12:05 +0100 References: <201011170535.46151.tom@diogunix.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201011190112.06484.tom@diogunix.com> Cc: Subject: Re: ejabberd won't startup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 00:12:31 -0000 Hello Panagiotis and list, > I believe we are facing the same issue. Our setup is ejabberd-2.1.5 in > a FreeBSD 7.3 amd64 jail and the workaround we found is running an > older version of erlang (erlang-r13b04_3,1). You can find the old > erlang port files in the FreeBSD CVS repository or here: > > http://noc.ntua.gr/~christia/erlang.tgz it seems a solution came up to run Erlang 14B in a Jail. A few minutes ago, Michael from the Erlang tribe provied a quick patch for Erlang 14B to disable the checks causing the issue with erlang 14B in Jails. Here's his quick patch: > diff --git a/erts/epmd/src/epmd_srv.c b/erts/epmd/src/epmd_srv.c > index ef471a4..e2cc2dc 100644 > --- a/erts/epmd/src/epmd_srv.c > +++ b/erts/epmd/src/epmd_srv.c > @@ -766,6 +766,9 @@ static int conn_open(EpmdVars *g,int fd) > dbg_tty_printf(g,2,(s->local_peer) ? "Local peer connected" : > "Non-local peer connected"); > > + /* XXX allow local messages from all clients */ > + s->local_peer = EPMD_TRUE; > + > s->want = 0; /* Currently unknown */ > s->got = 0; > s->mod_time = current_time(g); /* Note activity */ He also announced to make a better patch in a few days. Also the Erlang folks might offer a future option to disable the check or provide another possibility to propperly run Erlang and Erlang programs (such as ejabberd) in a Jail. Hope this helps kind regards Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 19 01:28:10 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ECFB106566B for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 01:28:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Dennis.P.Glatting@boeing.com) Received: from slb-smtpout-01.boeing.com (slb-smtpout-01.boeing.com [130.76.64.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA8D8FC19 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 01:28:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from stl-av-01.boeing.com (stl-av-01.boeing.com [192.76.190.6]) by slb-smtpout-01.ns.cs.boeing.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/8.14.4/SMTPOUT) with ESMTP id oAJ15xLW018475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 17:05:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from stl-av-01.boeing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stl-av-01.boeing.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/DOWNSTREAM_RELAY) with ESMTP id oAJ15wYd013387 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:05:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from XCH-NWHT-07.nw.nos.boeing.com (xch-nwht-07.nw.nos.boeing.com [130.247.25.111]) by stl-av-01.boeing.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/UPSTREAM_RELAY) with ESMTP id oAJ15soS013316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:05:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from XCH-NW-21V.nw.nos.boeing.com ([130.247.25.207]) by XCH-NWHT-07.nw.nos.boeing.com ([130.247.25.111]) with mapi; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 17:05:54 -0800 From: "EXT-Glatting, Dennis P" To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 17:05:53 -0800 Thread-Topic: Problem with Atheros under 8.1 on a HP DL180G6 Thread-Index: AcuHhemeEfOk1X44RwqgZ3yeljUJAA== Message-ID: <0457799DC5A3A5479336B9A1F2E7FC6450B97EEE99@XCH-NW-21V.nw.nos.boeing.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Problem with Atheros under 8.1 on a HP DL180G6 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 01:28:10 -0000 I am having a problem with MikroTik/Atheros cards on a HP DL180G6. I suspec= t the problem is hardware/BIOS-interrupt related but I'm pretty confused as= to what. Suggestions and pointers how to solve this problem are appreciate= d. I have the cards running under Debian 5.0.6 (Gigabyte GA-870A-UD3 RT) with = compat-wireless (compat-wireless-2.6.36-rc5-2-s.tar.bz2), FreeBSD 8.1 on a = HP ML350G5, and FreeBSD 8.1 on an old Lenovo Z60t . They work both as AP an= d supplicant. Hostapd, when configured and run, is what comes with FreeBSD on those syste= ms and 0.7.3 on Debian. The cards are a MikroTik RouterBOARD R52 and R52n on a quad miniPCI to PCI = adapter. http://www.routerboard.com/pricelist/download_file.php?file_id=3D96 http://www.routerboard.com/pricelist/download_file.php?file_id=3D170 http://www.routerboard.com/pricelist.php?showProduct=3D75 I don't have the part number for the riser used in the DL180G6 to old the a= dapter. On the DL180G6 under Debian in AP mode, there is no beacon; however, if I p= ass irqpoll on boot /some/ interrupts are delivered but performance and rel= iability are sketchy to say the least. Below is various outputs from the system. > cat /var/run/dmesg.boot Copyright (c) 1992-2010 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 8.1-STABLE #0: Wed Nov 17 20:32:44 PST 2010 root@Homer:/usr/src/sys/amd64/compile/HOMER amd64 Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5504 @ 2.00GHz (2000.08-MHz K8-class = CPU) Origin =3D "GenuineIntel" Id =3D 0x106a5 Family =3D 6 Model =3D 1a St= epping =3D 5 Features=3D0xbfebfbff Features2=3D0x9ce3bd AMD Features=3D0x28100800 AMD Features2=3D0x1 TSC: P-state invariant real memory =3D 4294967296 (4096 MB) avail memory =3D 4084613120 (3895 MB) ACPI APIC Table: FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 8 CPUs FreeBSD/SMP: 2 package(s) x 4 core(s) cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 2 cpu2 (AP): APIC ID: 4 cpu3 (AP): APIC ID: 6 cpu4 (AP): APIC ID: 16 cpu5 (AP): APIC ID: 18 cpu6 (AP): APIC ID: 20 cpu7 (AP): APIC ID: 22 ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 1 ioapic1: Changing APIC ID to 3 ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard ioapic1 irqs 24-47 on motherboard kbd1 at kbdmux0 acpi0: on motherboard acpi0: [ITHREAD] acpi0: Power Button (fixed) acpi0: reservation of 0, a0000 (3) failed acpi0: reservation of 100000, bff00000 (3) failed Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x808-0x80b on acpi0 cpu0: on acpi0 cpu1: on acpi0 cpu2: on acpi0 cpu3: on acpi0 cpu4: on acpi0 cpu5: on acpi0 cpu6: on acpi0 cpu7: on acpi0 pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci12: on pcib1 igb0: port 0xe880-0x= e89f mem 0xfbe60000-0xfbe7ffff,0xfbe40000-0xfbe5ffff,0xfbeb8000-0xfbebbfff = irq 28 at device 0.0 on pci12 igb0: Using MSIX interrupts with 9 vectors igb0: [ITHREAD] igb0: [ITHREAD] igb0: [ITHREAD] igb0: [ITHREAD] igb0: [ITHREAD] igb0: [ITHREAD] igb0: [ITHREAD] igb0: [ITHREAD] igb0: [ITHREAD] igb0: Ethernet address: 00:25:b3:ae:19:6e igb1: port 0xec00-0x= ec1f mem 0xfbee0000-0xfbefffff,0xfbec0000-0xfbedffff,0xfbebc000-0xfbebffff = irq 40 at device 0.1 on pci12 igb1: Using MSIX interrupts with 9 vectors igb1: [ITHREAD] igb1: [ITHREAD] igb1: [ITHREAD] igb1: [ITHREAD] igb1: [ITHREAD] igb1: [ITHREAD] igb1: [ITHREAD] igb1: [ITHREAD] igb1: [ITHREAD] igb1: Ethernet address: 00:25:b3:ae:19:6f pcib2: at device 3.0 on pci0 pci11: on pcib2 pcib3: at device 7.0 on pci0 pci7: on pcib3 pcib4: at device 0.0 on pci7 pci8: on pcib4 pcib5: at device 2.0 on pci8 pci10: on pcib5 em0: port 0xd880-0xd89f mem 0x= fbdc0000-0xfbddffff,0xfbc80000-0xfbcfffff irq 38 at device 0.0 on pci10 em0: Using MSI interrupt em0: [FILTER] em0: Ethernet address: 00:26:55:d8:45:09 em1: port 0xdc00-0xdc1f mem 0x= fbde0000-0xfbdfffff,0xfbd00000-0xfbd7ffff irq 39 at device 0.1 on pci10 em1: Using MSI interrupt em1: [FILTER] em1: Ethernet address: 00:26:55:d8:45:08 pcib6: at device 4.0 on pci8 pci9: on pcib6 em2: port 0xc880-0xc89f mem 0x= fbbc0000-0xfbbdffff,0xfba80000-0xfbafffff irq 37 at device 0.0 on pci9 em2: Using MSI interrupt em2: [FILTER] em2: Ethernet address: 00:26:55:d8:45:0b em3: port 0xcc00-0xcc1f mem 0x= fbbe0000-0xfbbfffff,0xfbb00000-0xfbb7ffff irq 30 at device 0.1 on pci9 em3: Using MSI interrupt em3: [FILTER] em3: Ethernet address: 00:26:55:d8:45:0a pci0: at device 20.0 (no driver att= ached) pci0: at device 20.1 (no driver att= ached) pci0: at device 20.2 (no driver att= ached) uhci0: port 0xa480-0xa49f irq = 16 at device 26.0 on pci0 uhci0: [ITHREAD] uhci0: LegSup =3D 0x2400 usbus0: on uhci0 ehci0: mem 0xfa7fa000-0xfa= 7fa3ff irq 18 at device 26.7 on pci0 ehci0: [ITHREAD] usbus1: EHCI version 1.0 usbus1: on ehci0 pcib7: irq 16 at device 28.0 on pci0 pci3: on pcib7 pcib8: at device 0.0 on pci3 pci5: on pcib8 pcib9: at device 1.0 on pci5 pci6: on pcib9 ath0: mem 0xfb9e0000-0xfb9effff irq 17 at device 8.0 on pci6 ath0: [ITHREAD] ath0: AR9280 mac 128.2 RF5133 phy 13.0 ath1: mem 0xfb9f0000-0xfb9fffff irq 19 at device 10.0 on pci= 6 ath1: [ITHREAD] ath1: AR5413 mac 10.5 RF5413 phy 6.1 pcib10: mem 0xfb8ffc00-0xfb8ffc7f irq 16 at device 0.1 on = pci3 pci4: on pcib10 pcib11: irq 16 at device 28.4 on pci0 pci2: on pcib11 vgapci0: mem 0xf8000000-0xf8ffffff,0xfb7fc000-0xfb= 7fffff,0xfa800000-0xfaffffff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci2 uhci1: port 0xa800-0xa81f irq = 23 at device 29.0 on pci0 uhci1: [ITHREAD] uhci1: LegSup =3D 0x2400 usbus2: on uhci1 uhci2: port 0xa880-0xa89f irq = 19 at device 29.1 on pci0 uhci2: [ITHREAD] uhci2: LegSup =3D 0x2400 usbus3: on uhci2 uhci3: port 0xac00-0xac1f irq = 18 at device 29.2 on pci0 uhci3: [ITHREAD] uhci3: LegSup =3D 0x2400 usbus4: on uhci3 ehci1: mem 0xfa7fc000-0xfa= 7fc3ff irq 23 at device 29.7 on pci0 ehci1: [ITHREAD] usbus5: EHCI version 1.0 usbus5: on ehci1 pcib12: at device 30.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib12 isab0: at device 31.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x17= 7,0x376,0xff90-0xff9f,0xffa0-0xffaf at device 31.2 on pci0 ata0: on atapci0 ata0: [ITHREAD] ata1: on atapci0 ata1: [ITHREAD] atapci1: port 0xbc00-0xbc07,0xb880-0xb883,= 0xb800-0xb807,0xb480-0xb483,0xb400-0xb40f,0xb080-0xb08f irq 19 at device 31= .5 on pci0 atapci1: [ITHREAD] ata2: on atapci1 ata2: [ITHREAD] ata3: on atapci1 ata3: [ITHREAD] acpi_button0: on acpi0 atrtc0: port 0x70-0x71 irq 8 on acpi0 uart0: <16550 or compatible> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 uart0: [FILTER] acpi_hpet0: iomem 0xfed00000-0xfed003ff on acp= i0 Timecounter "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 900 qpi0: on motherboard pcib13: pcibus 255 on qpi0 pci255: on pcib13 pcib14: pcibus 254 on qpi0 pci254: on pcib14 orm0: at iomem 0xc0000-0xc7fff on isa0 sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=3D0x300> vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] atkbd0: [ITHREAD] psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: [ITHREAD] psm0: model GlidePoint, device ID 0 ppc0: cannot reserve I/O port range est0: on cpu0 p4tcc0: on cpu0 est1: on cpu1 p4tcc1: on cpu1 est2: on cpu2 p4tcc2: on cpu2 est3: on cpu3 p4tcc3: on cpu3 est4: on cpu4 p4tcc4: on cpu4 est5: on cpu5 p4tcc5: on cpu5 est6: on cpu6 p4tcc6: on cpu6 est7: on cpu7 p4tcc7: on cpu7 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec usbus0: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus1: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 usbus2: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus3: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus4: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus5: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 ad0: 152627MB at ata0-master UDMA100 SATA 3Gb/s ugen0.1: at usbus0 uhub0: on usbus0 ugen1.1: at usbus1 uhub1: on usbus1 ugen2.1: at usbus2 uhub2: on usbus2 ugen3.1: at usbus3 uhub3: on usbus3 ugen4.1: at usbus4 uhub4: on usbus4 ugen5.1: at usbus5 uhub5: on usbus5 SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! SMP: AP CPU #4 Launched! SMP: AP CPU #3 Launched! SMP: AP CPU #6 Launched! SMP: AP CPU #2 Launched! SMP: AP CPU #7 Launched! SMP: AP CPU #5 Launched! Root mount waiting for: usbus5 usbus4 usbus3 usbus2 usbus1 usbus0 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub3: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub4: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered Root mount waiting for: usbus5 usbus1 Root mount waiting for: usbus5 uhub5: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered ugen0.2: at usbus0 ukbd0: on u= sbus0 kbd2 at ukbd0 ums0: on us= bus0 Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a ums0: 8 buttons and [XYZ] coordinates ID=3D0 ugen3.2: at usbus3 ukbd1: on u= sbus3 kbd3 at ukbd1 ums1: on us= bus3 ums1: 5 buttons and [XYZ] coordinates ID=3D1 wlan0: Ethernet address: 00:0c:42:61:9b:10 wlan1: Ethernet address: 00:0c:42:31:1c:8d > Interesting additional dmesg output when I run the supplicant: ath0: unable to reset hardware; hal status 14 ath0: unable to reset hardware; hal status 3 ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath0: unable to reset hardware; hal status 3 ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout ath1: device timeout > cat /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf network=3D{ ssid=3D"SECRACK-GATELINK" proto=3DRSN key_mgmt=3DWPA-EAP eap=3DTLS identity=3D"twlu" ca_cert=3D"/etc/wless/CAd.cert.pem" client_cert=3D"/etc/wless/CAd.twlu.cert.pem" private_key=3D"/etc/wless/CAd.twlu.priv.pem" private_key_passwd=3D"frogger" } Homer# cat /etc/rc.conf << snip >> # wlans_ath0=3D"wlan0" ifconfig_wlan0=3D"WPA DHCP" # wlans_ath1=3D"wlan1" ifconfig_wlan1=3D"WPA DHCP" Homer# wpa_supplicant -d -iwlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf Initializing interface 'wlan0' conf '/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf' driver 'defa= ult' ctrl_interface 'N/A' bridge 'N/A' Configuration file '/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf' -> '/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf' Reading configuration file '/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf' Priority group 0 id=3D0 ssid=3D'SECRACK-GATELINK' Initializing interface (2) 'wlan0' Own MAC address: 00:0c:42:61:9b:10 wpa_driver_bsd_set_wpa: enabled=3D1 wpa_driver_bsd_set_wpa_internal: wpa=3D3 privacy=3D1 wpa_driver_bsd_del_key: keyidx=3D0 wpa_driver_bsd_del_key: keyidx=3D1 wpa_driver_bsd_del_key: keyidx=3D2 wpa_driver_bsd_del_key: keyidx=3D3 wpa_driver_bsd_set_countermeasures: enabled=3D0 wpa_driver_bsd_set_drop_unencrypted: enabled=3D1 RSN: flushing PMKID list in the driver Setting scan request: 0 sec 100000 usec EAPOL: SUPP_PAE entering state DISCONNECTED EAPOL: KEY_RX entering state NO_KEY_RECEIVE EAPOL: SUPP_BE entering state INITIALIZE EAP: EAP entering state DISABLED Added interface wlan0 State: DISCONNECTED -> SCANNING Starting AP scan (broadcast SSID) Trying to get current scan results first without requesting a new scan to s= peed up initial association Received 0 bytes of scan results (0 BSSes) Scan results: 0 Cached scan results are empty - not posting Selecting BSS from priority group 0 Try to find WPA-enabled AP Try to find non-WPA AP No suitable AP found. Setting scan request: 0 sec 0 usec Starting AP scan (broadcast SSID) ioctl[SIOCS80211, op 103, len 128]: Device not configured Failed to initiate AP scan. Setting scan request: 10 sec 0 usec EAPOL: disable timer tick Starting AP scan (broadcast SSID) ioctl[SIOCS80211, op 103, len 128]: Device not configured Failed to initiate AP scan. Setting scan request: 10 sec 0 usec ^CCTRL-EVENT-TERMINATING - signal 2 received Removing interface wlan0 State: SCANNING -> DISCONNECTED No keys have been configured - skip key clearing EAPOL: External notification - portEnabled=3D0 EAPOL: External notification - portValid=3D0 wpa_driver_bsd_set_wpa: enabled=3D0 wpa_driver_bsd_set_wpa_internal: wpa=3D0 privacy=3D0 ioctl[SIOCS80211, op 26, arg 0x0]: Operation not supported Failed to disable WPA in the driver. wpa_driver_bsd_set_drop_unencrypted: enabled=3D0 wpa_driver_bsd_set_countermeasures: enabled=3D0 No keys have been configured - skip key clearing Cancelling scan request Cancelling authentication timeout wpa_driver_bsd_set_wpa_internal: wpa=3D3 privacy=3D1 ELOOP: remaining socket: sock=3D4 eloop_data=3D0x800e0b1c0 user_data=3D0x80= 0e070f0 handler=3D0x421840 Homer# Homer# wpa_supplicant -d -iwlan1 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf Initializing interface 'wlan1' conf '/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf' driver 'defa= ult' ctrl_interface 'N/A' bridge 'N/A' Configuration file '/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf' -> '/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf' Reading configuration file '/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf' Priority group 0 id=3D0 ssid=3D'SECRACK-GATELINK' Initializing interface (2) 'wlan1' Own MAC address: 00:0c:42:31:1c:8d wpa_driver_bsd_set_wpa: enabled=3D1 wpa_driver_bsd_set_wpa_internal: wpa=3D3 privacy=3D1 wpa_driver_bsd_del_key: keyidx=3D0 wpa_driver_bsd_del_key: keyidx=3D1 wpa_driver_bsd_del_key: keyidx=3D2 wpa_driver_bsd_del_key: keyidx=3D3 wpa_driver_bsd_set_countermeasures: enabled=3D0 wpa_driver_bsd_set_drop_unencrypted: enabled=3D1 RSN: flushing PMKID list in the driver Setting scan request: 0 sec 100000 usec EAPOL: SUPP_PAE entering state DISCONNECTED EAPOL: KEY_RX entering state NO_KEY_RECEIVE EAPOL: SUPP_BE entering state INITIALIZE EAP: EAP entering state DISABLED Added interface wlan1 State: DISCONNECTED -> SCANNING Starting AP scan (broadcast SSID) Trying to get current scan results first without requesting a new scan to s= peed up initial association Received 0 bytes of scan results (0 BSSes) Scan results: 0 Cached scan results are empty - not posting Selecting BSS from priority group 0 Try to find WPA-enabled AP Try to find non-WPA AP No suitable AP found. Setting scan request: 0 sec 0 usec Starting AP scan (broadcast SSID) EAPOL: disable timer tick Received 0 bytes of scan results (0 BSSes) Scan results: 0 CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS Selecting BSS from priority group 0 Try to find WPA-enabled AP Try to find non-WPA AP No suitable AP found. Setting scan request: 5 sec 0 usec Starting AP scan (broadcast SSID) Received 0 bytes of scan results (0 BSSes) Scan results: 0 CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS Selecting BSS from priority group 0 Try to find WPA-enabled AP Try to find non-WPA AP No suitable AP found. Setting scan request: 5 sec 0 usec Starting AP scan (broadcast SSID) Received 0 bytes of scan results (0 BSSes) Scan results: 0 CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS Selecting BSS from priority group 0 Try to find WPA-enabled AP Try to find non-WPA AP No suitable AP found. Setting scan request: 5 sec 0 usec ^CCTRL-EVENT-TERMINATING - signal 2 received Removing interface wlan1 State: SCANNING -> DISCONNECTED No keys have been configured - skip key clearing EAPOL: External notification - portEnabled=3D0 EAPOL: External notification - portValid=3D0 wpa_driver_bsd_set_wpa: enabled=3D0 wpa_driver_bsd_set_wpa_internal: wpa=3D0 privacy=3D0 ioctl[SIOCS80211, op 26, arg 0x0]: Operation not supported Failed to disable WPA in the driver. wpa_driver_bsd_set_drop_unencrypted: enabled=3D0 wpa_driver_bsd_set_countermeasures: enabled=3D0 No keys have been configured - skip key clearing Cancelling scan request Cancelling authentication timeout wpa_driver_bsd_set_wpa_internal: wpa=3D3 privacy=3D0 ELOOP: remaining socket: sock=3D4 eloop_data=3D0x800e0b1c0 user_data=3D0x80= 0e070f0 handler=3D0x421840 Homer# From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 19 08:03:38 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89456106566B for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 08:03:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wodfer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428E88FC13 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 08:03:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyg13 with SMTP id 13so2594713gyg.13 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 00:03:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=TSNKZLOp6DDH32rirMZrCJf4eaEB3NsXrKtNL0oGvJY=; b=x4WMzF5FDN/ywu+PayPoWz+05ho9TEg3mnN48pelGz3Rsuzha89xbal/mMBIgnir5a yuDnFKtKxEGL9XBcfPxHlQ7pqI25DKgIEjBYQ0ccJgTdA1zquIq9xV6z2Ndj+BqFS5Cn Fo2ENhZglhrcKoxYSTyXxMhQHp6puWRT4hoUo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ekqrYCVEOE+Wb+PMovTi2lXPmqhpAYmUTyH+gFKWw38sQtm9yAui9udquTy5ntk7Ns ngdNGo/+MZCSn64HENfKgipzXi1QHvvPS73B1vV5J2QjXnAt1+tk0f81+nZBh5af+JZI WJ3UTmiAI4rBZem8/qWgBECueurafAzrpFBqg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.231.10 with SMTP id d10mr2236830agh.44.1290153817353; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 00:03:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.254.3 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 00:03:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <218D523D-A5BF-4E37-BC75-2FBF67C1D618@mac.com> References: <4CE52F49.4010602@sentex.net> <218D523D-A5BF-4E37-BC75-2FBF67C1D618@mac.com> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 09:03:37 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Wodfer To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: FreeBSD and large harddrives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 08:03:38 -0000 Thanks a lot to all who responded to my post. I have learned lots here. Too bad I have to find another use for my 4 x 2TB green WDC drives I have laying around. Anyways - they'll probably end up as a temp/work drive on a few Windows stations. Btw. will these drive work better in a ZFS "pool/tank" (not connected to a raid card)? I have noticed on my FreeNAS server that you can group several drives together into "one" large ZFS "drive". So my conclusion is so far: I'm going to go for the 64bit version of FreeBSD and use ZFS (mainly due to error correction), but perhaps UFS for the OS. I will use a Raid controller (probably the RocketRaid 2640x1 which I have here, but may also consider getting a new 3ware card with battery backup), get the largest Raid Edition drives (need to order them) and use a separate Raid 1 for the OS (or worst case simply a SATA connector on the motherboard and backup this often) and a Raid 5 for the file storage area. Again - thanks a lot for all your help! Very appreciated! Best regards, Andy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 19 08:20:47 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D73781065674 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 08:20:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B85D78FC1C for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 08:20:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id oAJ8Kjv1042278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 19 Nov 2010 00:20:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id oAJ8Kjmc042277; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 00:20:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA00751; Fri, 19 Nov 10 00:16:13 PST Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 00:16:14 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: thomas.exner@uni-konstanz.de Message-Id: <4ce6324e.0YK3+tFLmwsWGUh9%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <4CE4F4E4.10606@uni-konstanz.de> In-Reply-To: <4CE4F4E4.10606@uni-konstanz.de> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: disk recovery problem(s) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 08:20:47 -0000 Thomas Exner wrote: > when running fsck the first error message is "ROOT INODE UNALLOCATED" > ... > Is there a chance to get the data back? Dunno about current versions, but IIRC some earlier versions of dump(8) could handle even a badly-corrupted FS. No harm in trying, since it will not try to write anything to the FS being dumped. Of course, you need to find a place to dump it to (and I would _not_ advise piping the output into restore(8) in this kind of situation -- save the dumpfile itself somewhere in case you find yourself needing to hack on restore(8) to extract files from it). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 19 08:55:53 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC4EE1065670 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 08:55:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB728FC08 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 08:55:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm19 with SMTP id 19so2571463fxm.13 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 00:55:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=sjlfFR+ErkpQ6GjxF8Y473MGzO303HzB/qZFQVhN/sQ=; b=h5VkgMBgDfL9EdqDQoSTl7q1oFXuItUhhNJP+ntmJaH+05JjHud1+D+Rq+u0KRKCOd cNrX+cRzy2cyJU/Jj16Ek7WpRIsaZdBdxpeaP7/BdmITNviBmL71rfefRxUIjL0rOtc2 DdhoFB1IvnbbC3lvVtsqvIGPIoi2xn7r7ao7s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=gj09wDr7GdctUhsa06od2uYFqH3AA8bqJRcjduDgGzY3SM5y9qAe9iaI70Txxa4GNN Fp65FRs3GVGfMp/Gsn8/L3vh/tjXtxZ1DVr/dmr8EImVqEDRI2hFeE/1F8LPdqVq69PK C2OzbQ7QfPCsCkDrs5rJ/ntiSmLebYbZ4Q1hk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.86.9 with SMTP id q9mr554337fal.25.1290156952104; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 00:55:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.121.138 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 00:55:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4CE52F49.4010602@sentex.net> <218D523D-A5BF-4E37-BC75-2FBF67C1D618@mac.com> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 02:55:52 -0600 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Andy Wodfer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD and large harddrives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 08:55:53 -0000 On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 2:03 AM, Andy Wodfer wrote: > I have learned lots here. Too bad I have to find another use for my 4 x 2TB > green WDC drives I have laying around. Anyways - they'll probably end up as > a temp/work drive on a few Windows stations. > > Btw. will these drive work better in a ZFS "pool/tank" (not connected to a > raid card)? I have noticed on my FreeNAS server that you can group several > drives together into "one" large ZFS "drive". > They should be fine in ZFS, I think there is also a utility to set the amount of time before it parks the heads, if you raise the time you should less of the load/unload cycles. Not sure if it's mentioned, but those drives are susceptible to misalignment, however that shouldn't be an issue if you use the whole drive. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 19 08:56:43 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E90106566C for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 08:56:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsdq@peterk.org) Received: from poshta.pknet.net (poshta.pknet.net [216.241.167.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 422878FC16 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 08:56:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 67286 invoked by uid 89); 19 Nov 2010 08:30:00 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO pop.pknet.net) (127.0.0.1) by poshta.pknet.net with ESMTP; 19 Nov 2010 08:30:00 -0000 Received: from 216.241.170.11 (SquirrelMail authenticated user fbsdq@peterk.org) by pop.pknet.net with HTTP; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 01:30:01 -0700 Message-ID: <15996e2cfb833e0ed3fa9d19725b3a95.squirrel@pop.pknet.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4CE52F49.4010602@sentex.net> <218D523D-A5BF-4E37-BC75-2FBF67C1D618@mac.com> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 01:30:01 -0700 From: "Peter" To: "Andy Wodfer" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD and large harddrives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 08:56:43 -0000 > Thanks a lot to all who responded to my post. > > I have learned lots here. Too bad I have to find another use for my 4 x > 2TB > green WDC drives I have laying around. Anyways - they'll probably end up > as > a temp/work drive on a few Windows stations. > > Btw. will these drive work better in a ZFS "pool/tank" (not connected to a > raid card)? I have noticed on my FreeNAS server that you can group several > drives together into "one" large ZFS "drive". I tend to stay away from raid cards. With ZFS pools all you need is ZFS and any OS [easily move drives around servers], vs. raid cards have to be the same if moving/replacing/card fails. With 'ZFS: do not give it all your HDD' [ http://www.freebsddiary.org/zfs-with-gpart.php ] You don't even need to have drives that are exactly the same. Completely not tied to any hardware.... > > So my conclusion is so far: I'm going to go for the 64bit version of > FreeBSD > and use ZFS (mainly due to error correction), but perhaps UFS for the OS. > I > will use a Raid controller (probably the RocketRaid 2640x1 which I have > here, but may also consider getting a new 3ware card with battery backup), > get the largest Raid Edition drives (need to order them) and use a > separate > Raid 1 for the OS (or worst case simply a SATA connector on the > motherboard > and backup this often) and a Raid 5 for the file storage area. > > Again - thanks a lot for all your help! Very appreciated! > > Best regards, > Andy > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- ]Peter[ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 19 09:48:13 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E6421065674 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 09:48:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wodfer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA0F98FC14 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 09:48:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyg13 with SMTP id 13so2635556gyg.13 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 01:48:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=cmA/vHJQyYMalPZ/O7jK13s3HDhMnJulJSd57tPiqss=; b=Tu3CYDdQkkyYrEZFedk5pNryUcHOmTdiIp2V0cOnjvIU83840UZGFN5xaBHBrTeG1v 7Rt5Rr81eyJOAopOhuvvVkQ8VIgJSPCoKqRlfJ1PFXMphFjG5ycb8Q4iJeO/HwNrliem VIIycxz3NMB5yypleVxD5SMbzYv5oEW99NCZk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=QX8vB2g2jeSAnWGzwlx/NKvpywJUuRjaapdZOZia5AXj1ozVyXpPIIDB1MlU36Qyj6 T2pk3NEzadEmslZpKxDEK9rFKsh0qdLNnXWZ9NAR3OW8EmfdJ1M4pYNVu11uUPewTmrj QndRYQgG5XO668ypLa/GYaAFvNiwul2FUhBIo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.91.11.15 with SMTP id o15mr2286924agi.206.1290160091294; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 01:48:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.254.3 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 01:48:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <15996e2cfb833e0ed3fa9d19725b3a95.squirrel@pop.pknet.net> References: <4CE52F49.4010602@sentex.net> <218D523D-A5BF-4E37-BC75-2FBF67C1D618@mac.com> <15996e2cfb833e0ed3fa9d19725b3a95.squirrel@pop.pknet.net> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:48:11 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Wodfer To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: FreeBSD and large harddrives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 09:48:13 -0000 On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Peter wrote: > I tend to stay away from raid cards. With ZFS pools all you need is ZFS > and any OS [easily move drives around servers], vs. raid cards have to be > the same if moving/replacing/card fails. > > With 'ZFS: do not give it all your HDD' > [ http://www.freebsddiary.org/zfs-with-gpart.php ] > You don't even need to have drives that are exactly the same. > > Completely not tied to any hardware.... > Wow! I'm learning more and more and I'm really beginning to like ZFS! Question: What happens if 1 drive out of say 4 fails in a pool? And what about hotswapping a (faulty) drive? Is this still possible with ZFS? Can I actually replace a Raid 5 setup with a ZFS settup and have the same data security if drives fail?' Cheers, Andy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 19 09:58:18 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B15106566B for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 09:58:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF8F8FC1B for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 09:58:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwd20 with SMTP id 20so4298380wwd.31 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 01:58:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=4ioj6eAYRw9lp6uxU04bC6Lin2w5lYT6KfrrnBJzdXo=; b=sRYYHIykkK43pM+Wgf5cshkDjd6ljukq1yCJk6slpTEBabs80Y6oRtoZBp+CPTAoYC KB4kMFBGt2+1oA2C9EwVf/gEoQLec8/SXBm1FeXBGdDAWBUkhdXAmnE2xe/aMCyFYkBA h7mnrjVNxQ4zHN3+DJv5JrlIo7/hjNCf7ky4c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=RXv5BAz/a+sNsLs+vjtS3CkLlvYZEF7nE5D1UmrkRSUpaZZP/nm8dEK29kOldpIXtH 0oy1rZCEsX+V1jWaL0WXfZjNuk78dD1L+WQYSdGhbtKJxDFjLYofOdNINnI3ScjtzBa1 54p3qDxUo75d7yHb/CMkfEGnINi3yLLXyRMAs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.27.9 with SMTP id d9mr640797wea.44.1290160696289; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 01:58:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.72.148 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 01:58:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4CE52F49.4010602@sentex.net> References: <4CE52F49.4010602@sentex.net> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 09:58:16 +0000 Message-ID: From: krad To: Mike Tancsa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions , Andy Wodfer Subject: Re: FreeBSD and large harddrives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 09:58:18 -0000 On 18 November 2010 13:51, Mike Tancsa wrote: > On 11/18/2010 7:16 AM, Andy Wodfer wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm going to build a server that's intended to store uncompressed > videofiles > > (where 1 hour film equals about 500GB). I plan on using Western Digital > 2TB > > or 3TB SATA harddrives. Total storage in version 1 of this server will > > probably be 8-12 TB. Harddrive speed is not so important so a 5400rpm > drive > > would be OK. Seems like the green line of WD harddrives use both 5400rpm > and > > 7200rpm. I will use RAID 5. > > I would stay away from the green series hard drives for this > application. There have been a number of reports of issues with the > drive's power saving design causing problems when used in raid arrays. > Search the list for more details. Use their black series instead. > > > > > The processor will be a 64bit capable Intel processor and I plan on using > a > > Highpoint Rocketraid or 3ware Raid controller. > > I would use FreeBSD 8.2 ( a contemporary RELENG_8 snapshot in other > words) that is AMD64. > eg > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/201011/FreeBSD-8.1-STABLE-201011-amd64-dvd1.iso > > Use ZFS for the file system. Snapshots for backup and data integrity. > 3Wares are great controllers, but a decent MB with 6 SATA ports and then > an additional eSata controller with external drive cage like this one. > http://www.addonics.com/products/host_controller/adsa3gpx8-4e.asp > > see the man page for ahci on what is supported. > > Booting off zfs is a bit tricky. If you already have the 3ware card, a > pair of smaller / cheaper drives for the base OS and then all your zfs > drives for data storage is the least painful way to go right now. I do > this for my backup server. 10TB of storage, but the box boots off a > 3ware raid card in raid1 mirror for the base OS. > > ZFS is a bit of a different beast at first, but its very worth while to > get to know and understand. > > ---Mike > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Save on the drives and put the base part of the os on a usb stick, just make sure you mount the writeable areas of the os from the pool (tmp, var etc). A few people have mentioned labelling the drives. Its a good thing to do, but take it a step further. Before you put the drives in the system, physically label them with something identifiable (colored sticker, number whatever). Then when you create the logical labels with geom, match them up. Makes you life a lot easier when the 'RED' drive fails From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 19 10:00:26 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3A641065732 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:00:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BAC28FC18 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:00:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwd20 with SMTP id 20so4299766wwd.31 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 02:00:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=2/oCNYxWdJAAwxsvalNECRs9IymbO99U3JXE6ZJBXsg=; b=phAlyKd7KX4cKx8+F46PDJ1EbZ6IRLKuxjgi1woDe9v/yV5b329uA3w5qKDgAzM86L shDx/BnUB608J3yuWFhcmiTc1Yrm7VoOfo0WQn4GRgGjkhvAYKxzMiwCjuKu3TSrnO8k zX31QWnSp5Oh91J3YvTOTkZGGkwkR4dx3fYdI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=nteMcKzp//MA+MvsR6Pun1C1LZudGsKJOVjWqJCKJSMJNkS6A3CyoAlkOTXOClcz3G qYSK+ErkA1Y/fCe0N7ZL/dGYJjIidYtFbm4AYO7s485uwzI7Jhpe0I0cxmR03ipfKVnW yTl86RGJNzyjRZi2xMwt5RH6On9O3GQ0erotA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.71.66 with SMTP id q44mr1611103wed.44.1290160805539; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 02:00:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.72.148 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 02:00:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4CE52F49.4010602@sentex.net> <218D523D-A5BF-4E37-BC75-2FBF67C1D618@mac.com> <15996e2cfb833e0ed3fa9d19725b3a95.squirrel@pop.pknet.net> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:00:05 +0000 Message-ID: From: krad To: Andy Wodfer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD and large harddrives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:00:26 -0000 On 19 November 2010 09:48, Andy Wodfer wrote: > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Peter wrote: > > > I tend to stay away from raid cards. With ZFS pools all you need is ZFS > > and any OS [easily move drives around servers], vs. raid cards have to be > > the same if moving/replacing/card fails. > > > > With 'ZFS: do not give it all your HDD' > > [ http://www.freebsddiary.org/zfs-with-gpart.php ] > > You don't even need to have drives that are exactly the same. > > > > Completely not tied to any hardware.... > > > > Wow! I'm learning more and more and I'm really beginning to like ZFS! > > Question: What happens if 1 drive out of say 4 fails in a pool? And what > about hotswapping a (faulty) drive? Is this still possible with ZFS? Can I > actually replace a Raid 5 setup with a ZFS settup and have the same data > security if drives fail?' > > Cheers, > Andy > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > If you already have a 3ware card and you are familiar with them, why not let it do the raid and just plonk zfs on top of the lun presented to the system? Will make booting off pure zfs much easier. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 19 10:13:56 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 488D4106566C for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:13:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B46B8FC19 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:13:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64F42E7211; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:13:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from unknown (client-86-27-40-229.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com [86.27.40.229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:13:54 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:13:57 +0000 From: Bruce Cran To: Paul Wootton Message-ID: <20101119101357.00001214@unknown> In-Reply-To: <4CE5AC3C.8000402@fletchermoorland.co.uk> References: <4CE52F49.4010602@sentex.net> <218D523D-A5BF-4E37-BC75-2FBF67C1D618@mac.com> <4CE5AC3C.8000402@fletchermoorland.co.uk> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.4cvs1 (GTK+ 2.16.0; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions , Andy Wodfer Subject: Re: FreeBSD and large harddrives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:13:56 -0000 On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:44:12 +0000 Paul Wootton wrote: > Here is a copy from smartctl > 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 092 092 000 Old_age > Always - 5958 > 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 001 001 000 Old_age > Always - 885346 > > The drive has less than 250 days online, but is nearly at tripple the > rated load/unload cycle. > While the drive is still working, I have NO faith in it anymore and > am just waiting for it to die. It seems almost necessary to use WD's wdidle3.exe utility to disable the aggressive power management. I'm at 27002 hours and 39405 load cycles so far. More worrying perhaps is that there's already a reallocated sector and a few uncorrectable errors logged. Having said that I got a brand new disk yesterday and found the "Multi_Zone_Error_Rate" was non-zero so I think people should probably stop worrying about the raw value and learn to focus on the Value/Worst/Thesh fields instead. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 19 10:25:32 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E9001065679 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:25:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D228FC15 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:25:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from russet.local (reflex.squiz.co.uk [83.217.109.164]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAJAPMv5051707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:25:27 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk oAJAPMv5051707 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1290162328; bh=vyq/f4TfxoioMltSjNn8Gxsv9eyR0rzjiubDdJtheEg=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4CE6508C.1030508@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20F ri,=2019=20Nov=202010=2010:25:16=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-US=3B=20r v:1.9.2.12)=20Gecko/20101027=20Thunderbird/3.1.6|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20FreeBSD=20 and=20large=20harddrives|References:=20=09<4CE52F49.4010602@sentex .net>=09<218D523D-A5BF-4E37-BC75-2FBF67C1D618@mac.com>=09=09<15996e2 cfb833e0ed3fa9d19725b3a95.squirrel@pop.pknet.net>=09=20|In-Reply-To:=2 0| X-Enigmail-Version:=201.1.1|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20 micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature "=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig13E7C46B6C04828089811B77" ; b=aCftkz1moFP4f5cGOLMXhXamYlh8s2GMpq2GearBLKQmoKK/oKAu+is99laOvu5+m 3GDv4zm6N/F4/osrfU8dfByXi3AjPafoQbCl7qo+R7KnIEaWacft7Z8Hs6W5V7iCzv mDYYQ2PXXHD5uRezak+t63KNooPltUg1itOjS9gA= X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host reflex.squiz.co.uk [83.217.109.164] claimed to be russet.local Message-ID: <4CE6508C.1030508@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:25:16 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4CE52F49.4010602@sentex.net> <218D523D-A5BF-4E37-BC75-2FBF67C1D618@mac.com> <15996e2cfb833e0ed3fa9d19725b3a95.squirrel@pop.pknet.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig13E7C46B6C04828089811B77" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.4 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: FreeBSD and large harddrives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:25:32 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig13E7C46B6C04828089811B77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 19/11/2010 10:00, krad wrote: > If you already have a 3ware card and you are familiar with them, why no= t let > it do the raid and just plonk zfs on top of the lun presented to the sy= stem? > Will make booting off pure zfs much easier. There's a lot of duplication of function there -- both ZFS and the RAID card will be doing background tasks to try and ensure the integrity of the data, which means more disk IO than is really necessary. A good RAID card should give you almost all of what ZFS gives you, and if you spec it with BBU really should outperform ZFS over the same number of drives. Also RAID cards tend to have plenty of battery-backed cache, which also aids performance. Of course, all this comes at a fairly hefty price tag. ZFS wins by using some of the excess CPU power -- and modern CPUs tend to have cores and cycles to spare -- and the main system RAM, all of which you'ld have to have anyhow, to let you connect a bunch of drives to a system using relatively cheap SAS / SATA cards and get much the same functionality as an expensive dedicated RAID card. Not to mention you can do all the ZFS adminning from the OS; no need to boot into the BIOS or flail about trying to find a compatible management program. I've put ZFS on top of h/w RAID before now, but I configured the h/w RAID as a JBOD, and let ZFS do all the work. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig13E7C46B6C04828089811B77 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkzmUJIACgkQ8Mjk52CukIy8fQCeOsA4lnmH8SHOvdHvwilAuxWh aboAniI/rFG15cGkcSmMs5E+ngDYKUgY =bKpV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig13E7C46B6C04828089811B77-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 19 10:40:37 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D08106566C for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:40:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsdq@peterk.org) Received: from poshta.pknet.net (poshta.pknet.net [216.241.167.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A21C8FC13 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:40:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 72731 invoked by uid 89); 19 Nov 2010 10:40:36 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO pop.pknet.net) (127.0.0.1) by poshta.pknet.net with ESMTP; 19 Nov 2010 10:40:36 -0000 Received: from 216.241.170.11 (SquirrelMail authenticated user fbsdq@peterk.org) by pop.pknet.net with HTTP; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 03:40:36 -0700 Message-ID: <8edd28e167e5e4e6c525936400dbc892.squirrel@pop.pknet.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4CE52F49.4010602@sentex.net> <218D523D-A5BF-4E37-BC75-2FBF67C1D618@mac.com> <15996e2cfb833e0ed3fa9d19725b3a95.squirrel@pop.pknet.net> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 03:40:36 -0700 From: "Peter" To: "Andy Wodfer" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD and large harddrives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:40:37 -0000 > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Peter wrote: > >> I tend to stay away from raid cards. With ZFS pools all you need is ZFS >> and any OS [easily move drives around servers], vs. raid cards have to >> be >> the same if moving/replacing/card fails. >> >> With 'ZFS: do not give it all your HDD' >> [ http://www.freebsddiary.org/zfs-with-gpart.php ] >> You don't even need to have drives that are exactly the same. >> >> Completely not tied to any hardware.... >> > > Wow! I'm learning more and more and I'm really beginning to like ZFS! > > Question: What happens if 1 drive out of say 4 fails in a pool? And what > about hotswapping a (faulty) drive? Is this still possible with ZFS? Can I > actually replace a Raid 5 setup with a ZFS settup and have the same data > security if drives fail?' > > Cheers, > Andy Easily can be done. zpool mirror on a desktop, I recently just did a 'zpool offline' one of the drives, unplugged it from my sata port, plugged in another drive, and put it into the pool - all with desktop running. No esata, just cheap sata controller [biostar mobo] with AHCI enabled in BIOS and loader.conf. [My version of cheap esata and "offsite backups"] Make sure to use labels when adding drives to pool. With gpart labels, I can plug a drive into any port and FreeBSD/ZFS will pickup the label and no need to worry about putting drives into correct port/controller. You might want to try raidz instead of raid-5, but I've no experience with that except for what I've read. [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID-Z#RAID-Z ] ]Peter[ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 19 11:30:42 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 488F5106566B for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 11:30:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA1638FC16 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 11:30:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb35 with SMTP id 35so3541639wyb.13 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 03:30:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=mmksdhmb4gznMZDNn+RoKj5KX+PtyOXxeg/3/rgeA60=; b=p/xfcQTZLSXr6srPJjR19fLi5lTVtCKEy4uO50B/z/P42NAJ5PHp2St+nODCeGP9wh mPZfullxcYkb46mEzxbLXiwYG6p/GdMCH8XwK3JMF0CP5dkpsF77t8zBZ77Wo0aBw5Kc VN6GZ84KPFEgFnriERQ95HgS/ZhAd25qxTMU8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=epIrwq9tNyeU5etQAV1APQ55DCxKHws50Hw+ex2XhL4w6hVUuo+MJVnIUfs53gLs0H gt+xDeDDm49zgtEMDv31xEWG10WbynY5LBYcUCj6Eh1xaj2GrvfTgpmScLmK/0CDrf1a 5FYET7SZneCu1irCc9LEaN4c1UxROL4dCVMNc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.196.156 with SMTP id r28mr1721419wen.29.1290166240712; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 03:30:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.72.148 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 03:30:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4CE6508C.1030508@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <4CE52F49.4010602@sentex.net> <218D523D-A5BF-4E37-BC75-2FBF67C1D618@mac.com> <15996e2cfb833e0ed3fa9d19725b3a95.squirrel@pop.pknet.net> <4CE6508C.1030508@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 11:30:40 +0000 Message-ID: From: krad To: Matthew Seaman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and large harddrives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 11:30:42 -0000 On 19 November 2010 10:25, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 19/11/2010 10:00, krad wrote: > > If you already have a 3ware card and you are familiar with them, why not > let > > it do the raid and just plonk zfs on top of the lun presented to the > system? > > Will make booting off pure zfs much easier. > > There's a lot of duplication of function there -- both ZFS and the RAID > card will be doing background tasks to try and ensure the integrity of > the data, which means more disk IO than is really necessary. > > Not really as zfs wouldnt be doing any raid. Just checksuming etc. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 19 18:24:54 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4DE11065674 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 18:24:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 542C88FC16 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 18:24:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyb7 with SMTP id 7so2897228eyb.13 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:24:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.11.147 with SMTP id 19mr1718816eex.14.1290191092896; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:24:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.53.67 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:24:52 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [69.91.158.46] In-Reply-To: References: <4CE52F49.4010602@sentex.net> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:24:52 -0800 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: FreeBSD and large harddrives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 18:24:54 -0000 On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 1:58 AM, krad wrote: > A few people have mentioned labelling the drives. Its a good thing to do, > but take it a step further. Before you put the drives in the system, > physically label them with something identifiable (colored sticker, number > whatever). Then when you create the logical labels with geom, match them up. > Makes you life a lot easier when the 'RED' drive fails Also, think about how you label them. If you mark up the drive, the manufacturer may refuse to honor the warranty. (http://consumerist.com/2010/09/write-on-your-hard-drive-kill-the-warranty.html) Best to use something removable. 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(v4.0.24) Professional Organization: =?windows-1251?B?188gyu7t/Oru4iwgRnJlZUxpbmU=?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <15310641667.20101119213722@yandex.ru> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Where to send coredump? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 20:05:57 -0000 Hi, Freebsd-questions. I ran FreeBSD 9-Current. System sometimes page faults. Does FBSD comunity need core dumps? If so where I can put dumps for you? -- , mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 19 20:56:34 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33966106566B for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 20:56:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (ns2.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABABC8FC08 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 20:56:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.3/rdb1) id oAJKsOPk011590; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 14:54:24 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 14:54:24 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-ID: <201011192054.oAJKsOPk011590@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, nr1c0re@gmail.com Cc: Subject: Re: openssl version - how to verify X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 20:56:34 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 15 09:38:53 2010 > Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:40:27 +0300 > From: c0re > To: FreeBSD > Subject: Re: openssl version - how to verify > > 2010/11/15 Jerry : > There are still too many broken ports with openssl from ports, I do > not like debug it and really like to use base openssl, almost no > difference. > But I just want to have some proves that base system openssl has > security patches because 7.3-RELEASE base openssl is 0.9.8e, but > 0.9.8e has got security vulnerabilities. But how can I be sure that > freebsd base system with 0.9.8e version does not have any > vulnerabilities? _authoritative_ answer: You _cannot_. Statement rationale: "The number of discovered bugs in any system is a finite number. The number of _UNDISCOVERED_ bugs, on the other hand, is an infinite one. By definition." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 19 21:08:38 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C79C8106566C for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 21:08:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B598FC08 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 21:08:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm19 with SMTP id 19so3250844fxm.13 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:08:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=0igSEItVlloSFb/IGHr99Ql+OPQlrrrXiIt+05MggqU=; b=jI86Pbw97ApNsPU2CHPwALsVnAcZcdbRvf67cvIR7HUJ4nzQ50djHmcULRh4B5CdIa fUF5lksUrMlX0zzvUMHTuFefpvuRILF/cdZlL+M6RkBx6tydYowTJS/4VyVzVHUtu4Cv QSZSNgVoO5C1ifJzZFudWkQAtgnmOM0b/hrQw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=tmjBUYCkZr40UUuHp3etUlTlFwrDTBnZZ8EFYNQ6fSu5UKXtTIvZ3Ajlu8F6JO8PPF dkn0L28dLGsmgUbtkKw+pUPWBZQtxZuXn2tZa/Le2nuKm0CNpqfMOU7OCScay/O6SiUT ipZh+iAOm0ZYc9lu/0lFJs5vinbIOLPAc6Yow= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.97.73 with SMTP id k9mr1387262fan.120.1290200906925; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:08:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.121.138 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:08:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201011192054.oAJKsOPk011590@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <201011192054.oAJKsOPk011590@mail.r-bonomi.com> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 15:08:26 -0600 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Robert Bonomi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, nr1c0re@gmail.com Subject: Re: openssl version - how to verify X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 21:08:38 -0000 On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote: > _authoritative_ answer: You _cannot_. > > Statement rationale: > "The number of discovered bugs in any system is a finite number. > The number of _UNDISCOVERED_ bugs, on the other hand, is an infinite > one. > By definition." > While I agree with your point in this context, the statement "The number of _UNDISCOVERED_ bugs, on the other hand, is an infinite one." is false. http://www.unsw.edu.au/news/pad/articles/2009/sep/microkernel_breakthrough.html -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 19 21:36:53 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779081065698 for ; 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amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: openssl version - how to verify X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 21:36:53 -0000 On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 15:08:26 -0600 Adam Vande More articulated: > While I agree with your point in this context, the statement "The > number of _UNDISCOVERED_ bugs, on the other hand, is an infinite > one." is false. > > http://www.unsw.edu.au/news/pad/articles/2009/sep/microkernel_breakthrough.html It was later discovered that the software used to certify the kernel 100% bug-free was not itself bug-free thereby nullifying results. -- Jerry ✌ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ My sister opened a computer store in Hawaii. She sells C shells by the seashore. 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boundary="Sig_/PvzQpkoI5y+kcNx48qqZ2s4"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Subject: Re: openssl version - how to verify X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 22:22:17 -0000 --Sig_/PvzQpkoI5y+kcNx48qqZ2s4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 15:53:11 -0600 Adam Vande More articulated: > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Jerry > wrote: >=20 > > On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 15:08:26 -0600 > > Adam Vande More articulated: > > > > > While I agree with your point in this context, the statement "The > > > number of _UNDISCOVERED_ bugs, on the other hand, is an infinite > > > one." is false. > > > > > http://www.unsw.edu.au/news/pad/articles/2009/sep/microkernel_breakthro= ugh.html > > > > It was later discovered that the software used to certify the kernel > > 100% bug-free was not itself bug-free thereby nullifying results. > > > Link or another "Jerry Fact" I would have thought that was obvious. Although, it does remind me of the old myth that the bumblebee should not be able to fly . "There's a sucker born every minute" is a phrase often credited to P. T. Barnum, and quite often true.=20 --=20 Jerry =E2=9C=8C FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ --Sig_/PvzQpkoI5y+kcNx48qqZ2s4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM5viSAAoJEHdwsA8xwKhFbIEIAL81rXuVqQMtZHgyPL73jtlw rlYO9Iq7wapIl1SNuJ7RbelAJ62mpLBzYSVsflRKRQfK61P21RxDWvrQaw2rsVtU ucAFk5Gt3t+o5H7eC660MPvf7CsA83k/GenJfHUm22UZlN7TyfKpaVcg4JD1wKKo XhrmMx1xl6bc5XfRU/XMSeEAiu1jzB2ZahjBSMQ9DxovqpxdNpSJMYcCthqPxAPd ZWDYihqPZY/UTsGfSYdRWumBdoEv3kKO4UTFKTKqOk0JNuZWLjRCiYOV6DetLPtj tRGT1DzZMzTFJLhIcvVMjPRw/PtYJLNrW9a3d7TLBx7mn3hO3QTX3McP55cxMvc= =hzew -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/PvzQpkoI5y+kcNx48qqZ2s4-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 19 23:33:44 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FC5C1065673 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 23:33:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonc@chen.org.nz) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1269A8FC0A for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 23:33:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb35 with SMTP id 35so4244514wyb.13 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 15:33:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.11.75 with SMTP id 53mr421436wew.81.1290209622545; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 15:33:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.160.11 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 15:33:42 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [118.93.172.88] In-Reply-To: <15310641667.20101119213722@yandex.ru> References: <15310641667.20101119213722@yandex.ru> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 12:33:42 +1300 Message-ID: From: Jonathan Chen To: =?KOI8-R?B?68/O2MvP1yDl18fFzsnK?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Where to send coredump? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 23:33:44 -0000 2010/11/20 =EB=CF=CE=D8=CB=CF=D7 =E5=D7=C7=C5=CE=C9=CA : > Hi, Freebsd-questions. > > I ran FreeBSD 9-Current. > System sometimes page faults. > Does FBSD comunity need core dumps? If so where I can put dumps for > you? -CURRENT is 'bleeding-edge'; and if you're using it you should be subscribing to freebsd-current@freebsd.org. Your kernel-fu should be of a sufficient level before contemplating this branch. In general, stack traces are more useful than raw-core dumps; but patches are more than welcome. Cheers. --=20 Jonathan Chen From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 19 23:48:52 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2B0F1065673 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 23:48:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bseklecki@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from mx04.pub.collaborativefusion.com (mx04.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.72.84]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7254D8FC17 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 23:48:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.2.161] ([206.210.89.202]) by mx04.pub.collaborativefusion.com (StrongMail Enterprise 4.1.1.4(4.1.1.4-47689)); Fri, 19 Nov 2010 18:48:51 -0500 X-VirtualServerGroup: Default X-MailingID: 00000::00000::00000::00000::::10 X-SMHeaderMap: mid="X-MailingID" X-Destination-ID: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-SMFBL: ZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnNAZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=collaborativefusion.com; s=collaborativefusion_com_key_dkim; l=5139; t=1290210531; i=@collaborativefusion.com; h=Subject:From: Reply-To:To:Content-Type:Organization:Date:Message-ID: Mime-Version:X-Mailer; bh=Dnp1Oa7GNcGmD476CMl1TrfX714=; b=Nc6bv7 ZgYUIAUU4INNLoiguDquIuByNgyLJ0e7dTBMf49086QNT60DxlZb64K7FFU4f7Ul mmaFCQcQE1evEZuqWJKcWbF2j9z/vJg6w97OQkovWNMDPLZEP4uF2sL1eq9txkPa /gIM+Tdn4EYMAupN2t3Igj4NFaf+DEBv+dx/E= From: "Brian A. 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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 18:48:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1290210531.26157.2412.camel@soundwave> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.30.3 (2.30.3-1.fc13) Subject: Restarting network & vlan interface = kernel memory corruption (if_vlan / conf/63700 redux) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bseklecki@collaborativefusion.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 23:48:52 -0000 --=-Gv8I/D5hyjTvJ8MUW+nz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [Originally from freebsd-hackers@ / Feb 2008; freebsd-net Jun 2010] All: =20 pf conf/63700 got the ball rolling on fixing cloned/VLAN=20 interface management with rc.d/netif, but a very specific problem still remains. For example, adding an alias to a VLAN and running: /etc/rc.d/netif restart && /etc/rc.d/routing restart=20 is a failure. --- Take the following rc.conf(4) config: hostname=3D"sexdrugsandunix" cloned_interfaces=3D"vlan14" ifconfig_em0=3D"up media 100baseTX mediaopt full-duplex -tso" ifconfig_vlan14=3D"inet 1.2.3.4 netmask 255.255.255.128 vlan 14 vlandev em0 up" ifconfig_vlan14_alias0=3D"inet 1.2.3.5 netmask 255.255.255.255" Change it to include a second alias without a reboot, instead run 'rc.d/netif restart', as works on a physical interface: hostname=3D"sexdrugsandunix" cloned_interfaces=3D"vlan14" ifconfig_em0=3D"up media 100baseTX mediaopt full-duplex -tso" ifconfig_vlan14=3D"inet 1.2.3.4 netmask 255.255.255.128 vlan 14 vlandev em0 up" ifconfig_vlan14_alias0=3D"inet 1.2.3.5 netmask 255.255.255.255" ifconfig_vlan14_alias1=3D"inet 1.2.3.6 netmask 255.255.255.255" The result will be: % ifconfig vlan14 [bseklecki@sureshot ~]$ ifconfig vlan14 vlan14: flags=3D8843 metric 0 mtu= =20 inet 1.2.3.6 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 192.168.158.152 inet 1.2.3.5 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 192.168.158.255 1) I'm not sure where the .152 broadcast comes from. ?! 2) The new _alias1=3D data is now in the primary IP slot 3) The primary IP is lost, there is no routable IP 4) The original _alias0=3D data is now in the 1st alias slot 5) rc.d/routing fails because the interface lacks a routable IP with a valid netmask/broadcast combination. --------------------------- Problem #1: rc.d/netif::network_stop() The core problem is that rc.d/netif::network_stop() never calls network.subr::clone_down() in the same way that rc.d/netif::network_start() calls network.subr::cloned_up() I'd speculate that this is a design decision not to destroy=20 network interfaces that certain userland daemons (DHCP, RTADVD,=20 BPF) may be strictly bound to; I disagree. Even if you explicitly pass your VLAN interface to rc.d/netif, a stop doesn't call 'ifconfig [VL] destory', and, when 'rc.d/netif start' is called later, SIOCSETVLAN results. jail-host-80:/home/bseklecki% sudo ifconfig vlan666 destroy jail-host-80:/home/bseklecki% sudo ifconfig vlan666=20 create inet 1.2.3.4 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 666 vlandev em0 jail-host-80:/home/bseklecki% sudo ifconfig vlan666=20 create inet 1.2.3.4 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 666 vlandev em0 ifconfig: create: bad value A simple rc.d/network_stop() patch could fix this problem if=20 we can avoid bikeshedding. ------------------------------------------ Problem #2: VLAN interface kernel data structures maintain configuration= =20 data after being destroyed and re-created %ifconfig vlan666 vlan666: flags=3D8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=3D3 ether 00:0c:29:a1:4b:9d inet 192.168.15.54 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.15.255 media: Ethernet 1000baseT status: active vlan: 666 parent interface: em0 %sudo ifconfig vlan666 destroy %sudo ifconfig vlan666 create %ifconfig vlan666 vlan666: flags=3D8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=3D3 ether 00:0c:29:a1:4b:9d !!**>> inet 192.168.15.54 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.15.255 <<**!= ! media: Ethernet 1000baseT status: active vlan: 666 parent interface: em0 Now, that's something you don't see very day!! ---------------------------------------------------- NOTE: I can't get that persistent IP data problem to happen consistently, but its highly reproducible. I also have no idea on the fixes, I'll check this weekend, but I have a work-around. To avoid destroying your routing table after adding an alias to a VLAN interface in rc.conf(5), simply run: $ sudo /etc/rc.d/netif [VLAN####] start DO NOT RESTART, and you should be okay. ~BAS References: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2008-February/023440.htm= l http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3D63700&cat=3D (Circa 2004) http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-net/2007-September/015447.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-net/2010-June/025514.html --=20 Brian A. Seklecki Collaborative Fusion, Inc. --=-Gv8I/D5hyjTvJ8MUW+nz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAkznDOMACgkQCne6BNDQ+R9aswCeNvSVqqCSUdm14BqH7sNpA1jV SbcAnifVX0YrFj+pmJZLO2ZkBf0fJI6b =OuGB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Gv8I/D5hyjTvJ8MUW+nz-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 20 01:05:25 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA00106566C for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 01:05:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhall@socket.net) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4l.socket.net [216.106.48.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 025128FC0A for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 01:05:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pcbsd-2585.localnet (216.106.19.47.reverse.socket.net [216.106.19.47]) (Authenticated sender: jhall@mf4) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0C200B7674 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 18:50:35 -0600 (CST) From: Jay Hall To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 18:50:33 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.1-RELEASE; KDE/4.4.5; i386; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201011191850.33384.jhall@socket.net> Subject: DNS Resolution X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 01:05:25 -0000 I have a weird DNS problem I am hoping someone can help me with. I have server running FBSD 8.0. /etc/resolv.conf is set to use my ISP's DNS servers for name resolution. If run dig @ns3.socket.net XXXX.yyy.ZZZZ the INTERNAL ip address of the server is returned. If I run dig@ns3.socket.net XXXX.yyy.ZZZZ axfr, the correct information for the entire zone is returned. I am only noticing problems with XXXX.yyy.ZZZZ. All other names seem to resolve correctly. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jay From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 20 01:25:22 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF6B01065675 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 01:25:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779798FC0A for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 01:25:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emlpfilt2.waddell.com (emlpfilt2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87D2508AF; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 19:25:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from emlpfilt2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id AC90A5788B8; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 19:25:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com (wadphtcas0.waddell.com [192.168.203.229]) by emlpfilt2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5C715788B7; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 19:25:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from WADPMBXV0.waddell.com ([169.254.1.151]) by WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com ([192.168.203.229]) with mapi; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 19:24:46 -0600 From: Gary Gatten To: "'jhall@socket.net'" , "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 19:25:10 -0600 Thread-Topic: DNS Resolution Thread-Index: AcuITxSFtHR+qOYbSS62jqVLMZoWHAAArD/2 Message-ID: <1159_1290216311_4CE72377_1159_2401_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8CF0@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Subject: Re: DNS Resolution X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 01:25:22 -0000 SSByYW4gaW50byBhIHNpbWlsYXIgc2l0dWF0aW9uIHdoZXJlIHRoZSBucyB3YXMgYmVoaW5kIGEg SnVuaXBlciBTUlggZG9pbmcgTkFULiBTYWlkIEp1bmlwZXIgaGFkIGEgInNtYXJ0IiBETlMgcGll Y2UgKEFMRykgdGhhdCBkb2VzIHNwZWNpYWwgc3R1ZmYgb24gRE5TIHBhY2tldHM7IG1heCByZWNv cmQgbGVuZ3RoLCBzcGVjaWFsIE5BVCwgZXRjLiAgSSBoYWQgdG8gZGlzYWJsZSB0aGUgRE5TIEFM RyB0byBmaXggdGhlICJwcm9ibGVtIi4NCg0KSWYgeW91ciBucyBpcyBiZWhpbmQgYSBOQVRpbmcg ZGV2aWNlLCBzdGFydCB0aGVyZS4gIE9yLCBpZiB5b3UgY2FuIHJ1biB0Y3BkdW1wIG9uIHRoZSBu cywgb3IgYmVmb3JlIGl0IGhpdHMgYSBmdy9OQVQgLSBlbnN1cmUgdGhlIHJlcGx5IHBhY2tldHMg aGF2ZSB0aGUgInByb3BlciIgSVAgaW4gdGhlbSBhcyB0aGV5IGxlYXZlIHRoZSBucy4NCg0KLS0t LS0gT3JpZ2luYWwgTWVzc2FnZSAtLS0tLQ0KRnJvbTogb3duZXItZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnNA ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmcgPG93bmVyLWZyZWVic2QtcXVlc3Rpb25zQGZyZWVic2Qub3JnPg0KVG86IGZy ZWVic2QtcXVlc3Rpb25zQGZyZWVic2Qub3JnIDxmcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9uc0BmcmVlYnNkLm9y Zz4NClNlbnQ6IEZyaSBOb3YgMTkgMTg6NTA6MzMgMjAxMApTdWJqZWN0OiBETlMgUmVzb2x1dGlv bg0KDQpJIGhhdmUgYSB3ZWlyZCBETlMgcHJvYmxlbSBJIGFtIGhvcGluZyBzb21lb25lIGNhbiBo ZWxwIG1lIHdpdGguDQoNCkkgaGF2ZSBzZXJ2ZXIgcnVubmluZyBGQlNEIDguMC4gIC9ldGMvcmVz b2x2LmNvbmYgaXMgc2V0IHRvIHVzZSBteSBJU1AncyBETlMgDQpzZXJ2ZXJzIGZvciBuYW1lIHJl c29sdXRpb24uDQoNCklmIHJ1biBkaWcgQG5zMy5zb2NrZXQubmV0IFhYWFgueXl5LlpaWlogdGhl IElOVEVSTkFMIGlwIGFkZHJlc3Mgb2YgdGhlIHNlcnZlciANCmlzIHJldHVybmVkLiAgDQoNCklm IEkgcnVuIGRpZ0BuczMuc29ja2V0Lm5ldCBYWFhYLnl5eS5aWlpaIGF4ZnIsIHRoZSBjb3JyZWN0 IGluZm9ybWF0aW9uIGZvciANCnRoZSBlbnRpcmUgem9uZSBpcyByZXR1cm5lZC4gIEkgYW0gb25s eSBub3RpY2luZyBwcm9ibGVtcyB3aXRoIFhYWFgueXl5LlpaWlouICANCkFsbCBvdGhlciBuYW1l cyBzZWVtIHRvIHJlc29sdmUgY29ycmVjdGx5Lg0KDQpBbnkgc3VnZ2VzdGlvbnMgd291bGQgYmUg Z3JlYXRseSBhcHByZWNpYXRlZC4NCg0KVGhhbmtzLA0KDQoNCg0KSmF5DQoNCl9fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fDQpmcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9uc0Bm cmVlYnNkLm9yZyBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QNCmh0dHA6Ly9saXN0cy5mcmVlYnNkLm9yZy9tYWlsbWFu L2xpc3RpbmZvL2ZyZWVic2QtcXVlc3Rpb25zDQpUbyB1bnN1YnNjcmliZSwgc2VuZCBhbnkgbWFp bCB0byAiZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnMtdW5zdWJzY3JpYmVAZnJlZWJzZC5vcmciDQoKCgoKCjxm b250IHNpemU9IjEiPgo8ZGl2IHN0eWxlPSdib3JkZXI6bm9uZTtib3JkZXItYm90dG9tOmRvdWJs ZSB3aW5kb3d0ZXh0IDIuMjVwdDtwYWRkaW5nOjBpbiAwaW4gMS4wcHQgMGluJz4KPC9kaXY+CiJU aGlzIGVtYWlsIGlzIGludGVuZGVkIHRvIGJlIHJldmlld2VkIGJ5IG9ubHkgdGhlIGludGVuZGVk IHJlY2lwaWVudAogYW5kIG1heSBjb250YWluIGluZm9ybWF0aW9uIHRoYXQgaXMgcHJpdmlsZWdl ZCBhbmQvb3IgY29uZmlkZW50aWFsLgogSWYgeW91IGFyZSBub3QgdGhlIGludGVuZGVkIHJlY2lw aWVudCwgeW91IGFyZSBoZXJlYnkgbm90aWZpZWQgdGhhdAogYW55IHJldmlldywgdXNlLCBkaXNz ZW1pbmF0aW9uLCBkaXNjbG9zdXJlIG9yIGNvcHlpbmcgb2YgdGhpcyBlbWFpbAogYW5kIGl0cyBh dHRhY2htZW50cywgaWYgYW55LCBpcyBzdHJpY3RseSBwcm9oaWJpdGVkLiAgSWYgeW91IGhhdmUK IHJlY2VpdmVkIHRoaXMgZW1haWwgaW4gZXJyb3IsIHBsZWFzZSBpbW1lZGlhdGVseSBub3RpZnkg dGhlIHNlbmRlciBieQogcmV0dXJuIGVtYWlsIGFuZCBkZWxldGUgdGhpcyBlbWFpbCBmcm9tIHlv dXIgc3lzdGVtLiIKPC9mb250PgoK From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 20 04:11:11 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD53106564A for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 04:11:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhall@socket.net) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4l.socket.net [216.106.48.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D288FC0A for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 04:11:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pcbsd-2585.localnet (216.106.19.47.reverse.socket.net [216.106.19.47]) (Authenticated sender: jhall@mf4) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D33FDB7532; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 22:11:09 -0600 (CST) From: Jay Hall To: Gary Gatten Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 22:11:07 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.1-RELEASE; KDE/4.4.5; i386; ; ) References: <1159_1290216311_4CE72377_1159_2401_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8CF0@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <1159_1290216311_4CE72377_1159_2401_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8CF0@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201011192211.08206.jhall@socket.net> Cc: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: DNS Resolution X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 04:11:11 -0000 On Friday, November 19, 2010 07:25:10 pm Gary Gatten wrote: > I ran into a similar situation where the ns was behind a Juniper SRX doing > NAT. Said Juniper had a "smart" DNS piece (ALG) that does special stuff on > DNS packets; max record length, special NAT, etc. I had to disable the > DNS ALG to fix the "problem". > > If your ns is behind a NATing device, start there. Or, if you can run > tcpdump on the ns, or before it hits a fw/NAT - ensure the reply packets > have the "proper" IP in them as they leave the ns. Thanks for the quick response. I think this is a problem with a piece of equipment I do not have access to. The only difference between the site experiencing the problem and the other sites I maintain is the router. If I redirect DNS queries to other sites, everything works as expected. Thanks for your help. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 20 05:08:59 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 345AE1065673 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 05:08:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2B878FC0C for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 05:08:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so5958759iwn.13 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 21:08:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.39.205 with SMTP id h13mr3075051ibe.148.1290229735710; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 21:08:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.143.15 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 21:08:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20101119163648.19c9e66a@scorpio> References: <201011192054.oAJKsOPk011590@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101119163648.19c9e66a@scorpio> From: Eitan Adler Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 00:08:35 -0500 Message-ID: To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: openssl version - how to verify X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 05:08:59 -0000 On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Jerry wrote: > On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 15:08:26 -0600 > Adam Vande More articulated: > >> While I agree with your point in this context, the statement "The >> number of _UNDISCOVERED_ bugs, on the other hand, is an infinite >> one." is false. >> >> http://www.unsw.edu.au/news/pad/articles/2009/sep/microkernel_breakthrough.html > > It was later discovered that the software used to certify the kernel > 100% bug-free was not itself bug-free thereby nullifying results. The paper "Diverse Double-Compiling" by David A Wheeler is relevant although not strictly the same topic. It could be used to avoid this type of issue. -- Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 20 06:35:20 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 392B7106566B for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 06:35:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [65.122.17.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F29658FC0A for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 06:35:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAK6ZJPJ043452 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 01:35:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oAK6ZIRY043449 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 01:35:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 01:35:18 -0500 (EST) From: doug To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <201011171117.01428.milu@dat.pl> Message-ID: References: <201011171117.01428.milu@dat.pl> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 20 Nov 2010 01:35:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Building kdiff3 for kde 3.5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: doug@safeport.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 06:35:20 -0000 On Wed, 17 Nov 2010, Maciej Milewski wrote: > On Wednesday 17 November 2010 08:37:51, doug@safeport.com wrote: >> Apparently only the version for kde4 is on the ports and I could not find a >> package for 3.5. Building the available source had some interesting results >> but ultimate did not work. What I finally did was google the 3.5 package >> name I had installed and found a copy at the University of Kent. >> >> There must be a better way to find older ports/packages. What should I have >> done? > From kdiff3 homepage looks that from version 0.9.93 kdiff3 works with KDE4. > Earlier version worked with KDE3 only. In ports is version 0.9.95 and in > Makefile it's line USE_KDE4 so it builds with KDE4. You can take earlier port > version 0.9.92 manually from > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/textproc/kdiff3/ > or use ports-mgmt/portdowngrade > > Regards, > Maciej Milewski Thank you, portdowngrade worked perfectly. I doubt I would have found this without your help From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 20 07:41:57 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23381106564A for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 07:41:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C37008FC22 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 07:41:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.200]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D1E5C21 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 17:46:38 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4CE77AD1.6080807@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 17:37:53 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101119 Thunderbird/3.0.10 ThunderBrowse/3.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112223810.GA19635@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112232954.GA41199@guilt.hydra> <20101112235746.GH13998@comcast.net> <20101113021622.00001e07@unknown> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 07:41:57 -0000 On 11/13/10 16:08, Chris Brennan wrote: > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Bruce Cran wrote: > > >> On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:08:51 -0500 >> Chris Brennan wrote: >> >> >>> Did you know... >>> If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, >>> but what's worse is when you play it forward.... >>> ...it installs Windows 2000 >>> >> Yes, I think we know that by now. >> >> -- >> Bruce Cran >> >> > It's part of my signature.... it's not like I am spamming *just* my sig to > the list..... > > Did you know... > If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, > > but what's worse is when you play it forward.... > ...it installs Windows 2000 > I personally love it - way too true! Mind if I use it? Incidentally, doesn't this hold true for all Winblow$ disks? Cheers From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 20 08:04:07 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4872B106566B for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 08:04:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E95B68FC15 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 08:04:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.200]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A0F75C21 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 18:08:49 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4CE78004.9010204@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 18:00:04 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101119 Thunderbird/3.0.10 ThunderBrowse/3.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112223810.GA19635@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112232954.GA41199@guilt.hydra> <20101112235746.GH13998@comcast.net> <20101113173629.GA23290@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101113192234.GE45252@guilt.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20101113192234.GE45252@guilt.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 08:04:07 -0000 On 11/14/10 05:22, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 12:36:29PM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: > >> On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 07:08:51PM -0500, Chris Brennan wrote: >> >>> Did you know... >>> If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, >>> but what's worse is when you play it forward.... >>> >> I like this one - though you could update if from W 2000 to a more >> current one. >> > I vote Vista. > > I vote Winblow$ 7. The bloody "cloud" for photos ad on tv gives me the shits no end. 1) As if you'd need more than one computer to edit a photo, and 2) as if you could solve anything with M$ crap in the first place... And the missus doesn't like the idea of an "unnatural" photo either, so that'd be 2 votes.... Oh and thank you! Finally I have a FreeBSD media system! Hoorah! Now to move forward finally... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 20 08:41:49 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3AF1065670 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 08:41:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A00518FC2D for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 08:41:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.200]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2173A5C21 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 18:46:31 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4CE788DA.5040909@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 18:37:46 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101119 Thunderbird/3.0.10 ThunderBrowse/3.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Fwd: ORBit not upgrading X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 08:41:49 -0000 Ok. So this is not just an upgrade issue, I can't build it on a fresh install on another m/c either. Any fixes/workarounds? Is anyone aware of this issue? I'm afraid I'm not experienced enough to work this out- unless someone can explain what the check is? Cheers -------- Original Message -------- Subject: ORBit not upgrading Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:09:04 +1100 From: freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au Reply-To: freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au To: I have a wee problem... :) I've been naughty because I've been working on other things and I was going to simply rebuild this m/c when I got the chance anyway. Unfortunately I've run into a problem where I need to upgrade because I've found a bug in php 5.3.2 which is killing me. So I've run an upgrade at a rather late date, and alswell... except ORBit is not behaving. I've checked UPDATING and looked into the Makefiles, but for the life of me I can't fathom what the hell is going on. It is running thru the checks and stalls completely here: ... checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c -o root -g wheel checking whether build environment is sane... yes checking whether gmake sets ${MAKE}... yes checking for working aclocal... found checking for working autoconf... found checking for working automake... found checking for working autoheader... found checking for working makeinfo... found checking for gcc... cc checking for C compiler default output... a.out checking whether the C compiler works... yes checking whether we are cross compiling... no checking for executable suffix... checking for object suffix... o checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes checking whether cc accepts -g... yes checking for strerror in -lcposix... no checking for gcc... (cached) cc checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... (cached) yes checking whether cc accepts -g... (cached) yes checking how to run the C preprocessor... cpp checking if C preprocessor likes IDL... yes checking if C preprocessor can read from stdin... yes checking how to ignore standard include path... Huh? Any reason it'd be looking for a non standard include path? Whats the hold up? Now this is ORBit-0.5.17_5, and I don't think a manual reinstall would make much difference. But WTF? Any Ideas? As for the php error: anybody have trouble with preg_match and the subject string being a variable? If I manually put the contents in as the subject it works, but it won't read out of the variable. I'm actually exec something and the variable holds the output (and yes, it does work, and the variable holds the info right- just ran a print on the variable) but the stupid thing is sending me bald and I can't register a bug before an upgrade. 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It could be used to avoid this > type of issue. Even if it works it's only proving that at some level of abstraction the implementation matches a formal specification, there's still scope for higher and lower level bugs. But just because something is unknown doesn't mean it's infinite. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 20 13:57:26 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E3E2106566B for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 13:57:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5954D8FC12 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 13:57:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([76.240.47.196]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 20 Nov 2010 05:57:26 -0800 Message-ID: <4CE7D3C7.1020208@a1poweruser.com> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 08:57:27 -0500 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <20101117174324.GA53079@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> In-Reply-To: <20101117174324.GA53079@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2010 13:57:26.0766 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD4348E0:01CB88BA] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com Cc: Subject: Re: adding/updationg a Port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 13:57:26 -0000 Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth Nicolas de Bari Embriz Garcia Rojas on Wednesday, 17 November 2010: >> Hi, On November 6, I submitted a New port: >> http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=ports/151988 so far the >> submissions seems to be on standby. >> >> My question is, if for adding a port takes a 'couple of months' how >> much does it take for updating current existing ports ? >> >> regards. > > It depends on the nature and extent of the update. I submitted an update > to a port that I maintain, and it was committed in under 21 minutes. > Conversely, I submitted a patch to one of the general port Makefiles, and that > took about 45 days. Even though it was a very small patch, I presume the > committees were more cautious with a change that could affect a lot of > users. > Well this port was submitted July 20 2010. Coming up on 4 mounts of waiting for this simple script port to be added to the ports system. Is this long delay normal? Please tell me what other actions I may need to do to get this port added? http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=148777 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 20 15:40:24 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94A1510656AB for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 15:40:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA308FC1E for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 15:40:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-bw0-f54.google.com with SMTP id 2so4959594bwz.13 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 07:40:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc :content-type; bh=iqMDqd+KU2WuCst93SAS2uWCm7FnlGOlaAmCgsWQEZE=; b=BrJh2WF9wsJwDyJGWRq1lZeM5JtOCxRJby6Vg8q34XWHBNr3Uq6vPYxJv6SxKmmcgE AItmeYsbRqSOQjV+HZ2Ksfh/5i1l3hiW6O9hQAWAcUOA0rWOopOpWJs/3RVyZZnvsy91 3EjdQeZlJjoWskrasXTW/YGQtteHpjvwJ155A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; b=gXcdtB2A2CNDyjjnPDpR4ZBm0ggUqM6PK8ra+WNa0kUqooXQzuRVX70hijHQxkgKgq bqA2AdhLdfLssjuKfwrVowXy9xRt1DZUAxMIsVHe9TpFqcCD/Qhzd0LlaCdI1NQtHKBB jbkYYYoVjjpz41fY4iWbP/dIS6EwL119cyHAk= Received: by 10.204.97.131 with SMTP id l3mr3351339bkn.112.1290267623156; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 07:40:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.52.19 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 07:39:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4CE7D3C7.1020208@a1poweruser.com> References: <20101117174324.GA53079@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <4CE7D3C7.1020208@a1poweruser.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 15:39:52 +0000 Message-ID: To: Fbsd8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: adding/updationg a Port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 15:40:24 -0000 On 20 November 2010 13:57, Fbsd8 wrote: > Chip Camden wrote: > Well this port was submitted July 20 2010. > Coming up on 4 mounts of waiting for this simple script port to be added to > the ports system. > Is this long delay normal? > Please tell me what other actions I may need to do to get this port added? > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=148777 > I've posted a followup to the bug report. Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 20 16:26:33 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A215106566B for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 16:26:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f42.google.com (mail-ww0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F36988FC20 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 16:26:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwb17 with SMTP id 17so1434726wwb.1 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 08:26:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.153.21 with SMTP id i21mr3765926wbw.26.1290270387102; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 08:26:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.145.133 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 08:26:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 11:26:27 -0500 Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: FBSD 8 php 52 extensions dependency on X11 ??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 16:26:33 -0000 Hi, Whilst installing some (many) of the php 52 extensions in a jail I suddenly realized I was about to install X11 and a whole bunch of x11 related deps. Can some kind soul explain to me which php 52 extension requires X11 ??? Should it not say it EXPLICITLY??? !!! FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE port: /usr/ports/lang/php52-extensions Many thanks in advance, -- Alejandro Imass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 20 16:49:01 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2374B106566C for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 16:49:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB2108FC0A for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 16:49:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwd20 with SMTP id 20so5612183wwd.31 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 08:48:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.153.21 with SMTP id i21mr3785978wbw.26.1290271739125; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 08:48:59 -0800 (PST) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.227.145.133 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 08:48:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 11:48:59 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: M9MnWNQH9IdO2cUNCxKneHsAKlM Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: FBSD 8 php 52 extensions dependency on X11 ??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 16:49:01 -0000 Hi, Whilst installing some (many) of the php 52 extensions in a jail I suddenly realized I was about to install X11 and a whole bunch of x11 related deps. Would some kind soul explain to me which php 52 extension requires X11 ??? Should it not say it EXPLICITLY??? !!! FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE port: /usr/ports/lang/php52-extensions These are all the possible extension in this port: BCMATH BZ2 CALENDAR CTYPE CURL DBA DBASE DOM EXIF FILEINFO FILTER FRIBIDI FTP GD GETTEXT GMP HASH ICONV IMAP INTERBASE JSON LDAP MBSTRING MCRYPT MHASH MING MSSQL MYSQL MYSQLI NCURSES ODBC OPENSSL PCNTL PCRE PDF PDO PDO_SQLITE PGSQL POSIX PSPELL READLINE RECODE SESSION SHMOP SIMPLEXML SNMP SOAP SOCKETS SPL SQLITE SYBASE_CT SYSVMSG SYSVSEM SYSVSHM TIDY TOKENIZER WDDX XML XMLREADER XMLRPC XMLWRITER XSL YAZ ZIP ZLIB Empirically I cant'see the connection but the depends list does. At first just by looking at the depends list it seems that only some X11 libs are needed but the you see that it's actually installing xorg-vfbserver, a dependency of Xvfb in turn a dependency of accessibility/accerciser which seems to be a dependency of the ming flash extension. This I found just by chance, but IMHO if this is the case it should be CLEARLY noted in the ming extension comment!!! Also, is there another command or make option that would have warned me of the Xvfb or xorg dependencies?? # make all-depends-list /usr/ports/lang/php52 /usr/ports/math/php52-bcmath /usr/ports/archivers/php52-bz2 /usr/ports/misc/php52-calendar /usr/ports/textproc/php52-ctype /usr/ports/ftp/php52-curl /usr/ports/databases/php52-dba /usr/ports/databases/php52-dbase /usr/ports/textproc/php52-dom /usr/ports/graphics/php52-exif /usr/ports/sysutils/pecl-fileinfo /usr/ports/security/php52-filter /usr/ports/converters/pecl-fribidi /usr/ports/ftp/php52-ftp /usr/ports/graphics/php52-gd /usr/ports/devel/php52-gettext /usr/ports/math/php52-gmp /usr/ports/security/php52-hash /usr/ports/converters/php52-iconv /usr/ports/mail/php52-imap /usr/ports/devel/php52-json /usr/ports/converters/php52-mbstring /usr/ports/security/php52-mcrypt /usr/ports/security/php52-mhash /usr/ports/ /usr/ports/databases/php52-mysql /usr/ports/security/php52-openssl /usr/ports/devel/php52-pcre /usr/ports/print/pecl-pdflib /usr/ports/databases/php52-pdo /usr/ports/databases/php52-pdo_sqlite /usr/ports/databases/php52-pgsql /usr/ports/sysutils/php52-posix /usr/ports/textproc/php52-pspell /usr/ports/www/php52-session /usr/ports/textproc/php52-simplexml /usr/ports/net/php52-soap /usr/ports/net/php52-sockets /usr/ports/devel/php52-spl /usr/ports/databases/php52-sqlite /usr/ports/devel/php52-sysvmsg /usr/ports/devel/php52-sysvsem /usr/ports/devel/php52-sysvshm /usr/ports/www/php52-tidy /usr/ports/devel/php52-tokenizer /usr/ports/textproc/php52-wddx /usr/ports/textproc/php52-xml /usr/ports/textproc/php52-xmlreader /usr/ports/net/php52-xmlrpc /usr/ports/textproc/php52-xmlwriter /usr/ports/textproc/php52-xsl /usr/ports/archivers/php52-zip /usr/ports/archivers/php52-zlib /usr/ports/www/apache22 /usr/ports/devel/autoconf262 /usr/ports/devel/pkg-config /usr/ports/textproc/libxml2 /usr/ports/ftp/curl /usr/ports/databases/db42 /usr/ports/converters/fribidi /usr/ports/x11/libXpm /usr/ports/print/freetype2 /usr/ports/graphics/png /usr/ports/graphics/jpeg /usr/ports/devel/t1lib /usr/ports/devel/gettext /usr/ports/math/gmp /usr/ports/converters/libiconv /usr/ports/mail/cclient /usr/ports/security/libmcrypt /usr/ports/devel/libltdl22 /usr/ports/security/mhash /usr/ports/databases/mysql51-client /usr/ports/devel/pcre /usr/ports/print/pdflib /usr/ports/databases/postgresql82-client /usr/ports/textproc/aspell /usr/ports/www/tidy-lib /usr/ports/textproc/libxslt /usr/ports/lang/perl5.8 /usr/ports/devel/libtool22 /usr/ports/textproc/expat2 /usr/ports/devel/apr1 /usr/ports/devel/m4 /usr/ports/misc/help2man /usr/ports/devel/gmake /usr/ports/devel/autoconf-wrapper /usr/ports/security/ca_root_nss /usr/ports/x11/xextproto /usr/ports/x11/xproto /usr/ports/x11/libX11 /usr/ports/x11/libXext /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/libXt /usr/ports/archivers/xz /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/libXaw /usr/ports/devel/automake15 /usr/ports/security/libgcrypt /usr/ports/lang/python26 /usr/ports/devel/automake19 /usr/ports/databases/gdbm /usr/ports/devel/p5-Locale-gettext /usr/ports/x11/libxcb /usr/ports/devel/xorg-macros /usr/ports/x11/bigreqsproto /usr/ports/x11/xcmiscproto /usr/ports/x11/xtrans /usr/ports/x11/kbproto /usr/ports/x11/inputproto /usr/ports/x11-fonts/xf86bigfontproto /usr/ports/x11/libXau /usr/ports/x11/libXdmcp /usr/ports/devel/automake110 /usr/ports/x11/libSM /usr/ports/x11/printproto /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/libXmu /usr/ports/x11/libXp /usr/ports/devel/automake-wrapper /usr/ports/security/libgpg-error /usr/ports/devel/libcheck /usr/ports/x11/xcb-proto /usr/ports/devel/libpthread-stubs /usr/ports/x11/libICE Many thanks in advance, -- Alejandro Imass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 20 16:56:38 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2AA61065673 for ; 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Sat, 20 Nov 2010 08:56:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.52.19 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 08:56:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20101119172200.4e9c8cd5@scorpio> References: <201011192054.oAJKsOPk011590@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101119163648.19c9e66a@scorpio> <20101119172200.4e9c8cd5@scorpio> From: Chris Rees Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 16:56:05 +0000 Message-ID: To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: openssl version - how to verify X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 16:56:38 -0000 On 19 November 2010 22:22, Jerry wrote: > On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 15:53:11 -0600 > Adam Vande More articulated: > >> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Jerry >> wrote: >> >> > On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 15:08:26 -0600 >> > Adam Vande More articulated: >> > >> > > While I agree with your point in this context, the statement "The >> > > number of _UNDISCOVERED_ bugs, on the other hand, is an infinite >> > > one." is false. >> > > >> > http://www.unsw.edu.au/news/pad/articles/2009/sep/microkernel_breakthrough.html >> > >> > It was later discovered that the software used to certify the kernel >> > 100% bug-free was not itself bug-free thereby nullifying results. >> > >> Link or another "Jerry Fact" > > I would have thought that was obvious. Although, it does remind me of > the old myth that the bumblebee should not be able to fly > . > > "There's a sucker born every minute" is a phrase often credited to P. > T. Barnum, and quite often true. No, it's not 'obvious', just like many other things. People believed Aristotle's assurances about the rate of things falling for nearly 2000 years until Galileo and Newton pointed out 'obvious' flaws in his method. Again, link? Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 20 17:34:50 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7040C1065672 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 17:34:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E16C8FC1C for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 17:34:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk22 with SMTP id 22so770140gxk.13 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 09:34:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.9.3 with SMTP id 3mr2558048ani.49.1290274486666; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 09:34:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-071-077-039-064.nc.res.rr.com [71.77.39.64]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm3355539anv.26.2010.11.20.09.34.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 20 Nov 2010 09:34:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9C77AE54824 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 12:34:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 12:34:42 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20101120123442.2074a054@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <201011192054.oAJKsOPk011590@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101119163648.19c9e66a@scorpio> <20101119172200.4e9c8cd5@scorpio> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: openssl version - how to verify X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 17:34:50 -0000 On Sat, 20 Nov 2010 16:56:05 +0000 Chris Rees articulated: > >> > > While I agree with your point in this context, the statement > >> > > "The number of _UNDISCOVERED_ bugs, on the other hand, is an > >> > > infinite one." is false. > >> > > > >> > http://www.unsw.edu.au/news/pad/articles/2009/sep/microkernel_breakthrough.html > > People believed Aristotle's assurances about the rate of things > falling for nearly 2000 years until Galileo and Newton pointed out > 'obvious' flaws in his method. Which is precisely my point in regards to the link shown above. -- Jerry ✌ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 20 17:40:21 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 939381065747 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 17:40:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD908FC1B for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 17:40:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id oAKHeKDM055855 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 11:40:20 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daleco.biz Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ezekiel.daleco.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id gB2AIte92U1e for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 11:40:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz (ezekiel.daleco.biz [66.76.92.18]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id oAKHeBlo055847 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 11:40:13 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <4CE807FE.6080000@daleco.biz> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 11:40:14 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100504) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thanks. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 17:40:21 -0000 Ryan Coleman wrote: > On Nov 18, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Alejandro Imass wrote: > >> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Chris Brennan wrote: >>>> On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:25:31 +0330, Mohsen Mostafa Jokar < >>>> mohsenjokar@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Hello. >>> >>> Didn't Mohsen Mostafar Jokar post this same question last week? >> Yes. This second one was an apparent follow-up, hopefully he will STFW >> and RTFM before posting again ;-) > > Assuming he knows what STFW and RTFM mean. :) Well, shame on you guys. ;-) After all, this is a *help list*, right? http://www.google.com/search?q=define:STFW :-D KDK From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 20 18:28:30 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C1531065674 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 18:28:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from ozzie.tundraware.com (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ADE08FC08 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 18:28:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (viper.tundraware.com [192.168.0.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by ozzie.tundraware.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAKIS676006260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 12:28:11 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Message-ID: <4CE81333.8020804@tundraware.com> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 12:28:03 -0600 From: Tim Daneliuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]); Sat, 20 Nov 2010 12:28:12 -0600 (CST) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: oAKIS676006260 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No Subject: Softupdates And Samba X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 18:28:30 -0000 I installed another SATA drive on a FreeBSD 8.1-STABLE box here last night. After the disk prep, I mounted it and then shared the whole drive via Samba. This morning when I came in, the machine had horked all over itself and I saw this in the log after the reboot: Nov 20 01:06:59 ozzie kernel: ad6: TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA48 retrying (1 retry left) LBA=34066054 3 Nov 20 01:06:59 ozzie kernel: ad6: FAILURE - WRITE_DMA48 status=51 error=10< NID_NOT_FOUND> LBA=340660543 Nov 20 01:06:59 ozzie kernel: g_vfs_done():ad6s1d[WRITE(offset=174418165760, length=131072)]e rror = 5 Nov 20 02:15:07 ozzie kernel: ad6: TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA48 retrying (1 retry left) LBA=14580695 35 Nov 20 02:15:07 ozzie kernel: ad6: FAILURE - WRITE_DMA48 status=51 error=10< NID_NOT_FOUND> LBA=1458069535 Nov 20 02:15:07 ozzie kernel: g_vfs_done():ad6s1d[WRITE(offset=746531569664, length=131072)]e rror = 5 I reformatted and remounted the drive and accidentally forgot to enable softupdates. It seems to now be working fine. Is there a known interaction with softupdates and Samba such that I should not use them in this case, or could this just have been a loose cable or something? The drive is pretty new (< 6mo) and it's never been a problem when I used it on an NTFS system previously. TIA, -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 20 18:48:37 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEBDB1065675 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 18:48:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amitabhkant@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8081A8FC12 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 18:48:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwd20 with SMTP id 20so5684997wwd.31 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 10:48:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=WFFjwcGC8f6gBpN+CAZM8cHAAG0KglMVHVkY9PmMVO4=; b=MmL8oHEPd6RJosBOKs5AkdkzaX9oDYfy/U60+vEdA6LV2iCAoKsktHq3sMqZpEFL85 +pdFpAHdz1Ib/7fLhy9JnucgZw7QZqFvEVxOZR8W/KarVdwHw0Gj/P76addx7OmrFVeb tE2CGGtiTtIlngJ15B9fzjh6DjOaPmORt0brw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=atsYmjit5uKVxdH9mMh/3N8jTAgRIpNrUYhEifqHPKXYAnayvIjliKuxVIUyMWGBOP 2E9gVqIB5emc1PnNekFBFyc7vutoAKxRnrvfxs8Sb4BNFHcwODtJDftlprdES7rWLPrL FN1tPThrBvCaAvcMlgxxDTXDVX1D/DvN3XxRI= Received: by 10.216.54.147 with SMTP id i19mr2319819wec.59.1290277429684; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 10:23:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.173.130 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 10:23:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Amitabh Kant Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 23:53:28 +0530 Message-ID: To: Alejandro Imass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: FBSD 8 php 52 extensions dependency on X11 ??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 18:48:38 -0000 On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Alejandro Imass wrote: > Hi, > > Whilst installing some (many) of the php 52 extensions in a jail I > suddenly realized I was about to install X11 and a whole bunch of x11 > related deps. > Would some kind soul explain to me which php 52 extension requires X11 > ??? Should it not say it EXPLICITLY??? !!! > > FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE > port: /usr/ports/lang/php52-extensions > > These are all the possible extension in this port: > > BCMATH BZ2 CALENDAR CTYPE CURL DBA DBASE DOM EXIF FILEINFO FILTER > FRIBIDI FTP GD GETTEXT GMP HASH ICONV IMAP INTERBASE JSON LDAP > MBSTRING MCRYPT MHASH MING MSSQL MYSQL MYSQLI NCURSES ODBC OPENSSL > PCNTL PCRE PDF PDO PDO_SQLITE PGSQL POSIX PSPELL READLINE RECODE > SESSION SHMOP SIMPLEXML SNMP SOAP SOCKETS SPL SQLITE SYBASE_CT SYSVMSG > SYSVSEM SYSVSHM TIDY TOKENIZER WDDX XML XMLREADER XMLRPC XMLWRITER XSL > YAZ ZIP ZLIB > > Empirically I cant'see the connection but the depends list does. At > first just by looking at the depends list it seems that only some X11 > libs are needed but the you see that it's actually installing > xorg-vfbserver, a dependency of Xvfb in turn a dependency of > accessibility/accerciser which seems to be a dependency of the ming > flash extension. This I found just by chance, but IMHO if this is the > case it should be CLEARLY noted in the ming extension comment!!! > > Also, is there another command or make option that would have warned > me of the Xvfb or xorg dependencies?? > > Many thanks in advance, > > -- > Alejandro Imass > Either use WITHOUT_X11=yes in your make line, or have WITHOUT_X11=yes in your /etc/make.conf file beofre you run the make command. Can't help you with generating correct dependency list though. Regards Amitabh Kant From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 20 19:06:30 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CAD41065670 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 19:06:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hasse@thorshammare.org) Received: from smtprelay-b12.telenor.se (smtprelay-b12.telenor.se [62.127.194.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A238FC0A for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 19:06:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ipb4.telenor.se (ipb4.telenor.se [195.54.127.167]) by smtprelay-b12.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03E9AE9B92 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 20:06:27 +0100 (CET) X-SENDER-IP: [83.227.225.121] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArI1AOeq50xT4+F5PGdsb2JhbACBe5JngSSMXgwBAQEBNS26YoVLBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,229,1288566000"; d="scan'208,217";a="1693006204" Received: from ua-83-227-225-121.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO odin.thorshammare.org) ([83.227.225.121]) by ipb4.telenor.se with ESMTP; 20 Nov 2010 20:06:27 +0100 Received: from Obah ([192.168.1.100]) by odin.thorshammare.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAKJ6TVJ071755 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 20:06:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from hasse@thorshammare.org) From: "Hasse Hansson" To: Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 20:06:10 +0100 Organization: The Valhalla Project Message-ID: <000601cb88e6$01411850$03c348f0$@org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcuI5f3mavEg24EGSp+4WhOr+LRCRg== Content-Language: sv X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on odin.thorshammare.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: kernel log message X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 19:06:30 -0000 Hello all Anyone able to explain the kernelmessage I received after running the nightly periodic ? Anything I should worry about ? I belive I was dumping a large MySql database at the time it happened. odin# uname -a FreeBSD odin.thorshammare.org 8.1-STABLE FreeBSD 8.1-STABLE #0: Tue Sep 7 18:47:41 CEST 2010 root@odin.thorshammare.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ODIN i386 odin.thorshammare.org kernel log messages: +++ /tmp/security.qzjwQDiS 2010-11-19 03:06:22.000000000 +0100 +Timecounter "TSC" frequency 1100020331 Hz quality 800 Best Regards Hasse Hansson From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 20 19:16:05 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 295B5106566B for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 19:16:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A60CE8FC16 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 19:16:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so5075174bwz.13 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 11:16:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=GjdQZ9i+cizW3qj7CLuqLXbs1Yp2OlvvnxvcFXcVOB4=; b=wlMkEhV6b0GAukAfolp4jaYZxBzm5220o/Zwk6FTkpy3i8MoutriHEo+nTHVAJlwfA Kdx3+vORx+4ZIGbNvGRT37L10Fa7c3KM2qktR+TYswT2nT0WmmU4lPX184LIMO/Q1UbE PY3KXgDwJO2BHFjkv6BQtamXStKuiKk8ggYRU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; b=S7EtHBFd+H5w1cPgAS9IBTz5g26YV0PtdgHUkQkYIPbcroZoHLXs/i9JRd/LM4JnHu twNOGAanGPvrqvhpOnRuu+olvfQCOYGLSb2VrFPUPa8JKuO++imqDsTAdvnz6X9nfFFm wnGYkGvR6hPfqUTPWlw4Ho1EVNuXpiUkWl9p0= Received: by 10.204.119.134 with SMTP id z6mr3489745bkq.166.1290280563159; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 11:16:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.52.19 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 11:15:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20101120123442.2074a054@scorpio> References: <201011192054.oAJKsOPk011590@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101119163648.19c9e66a@scorpio> <20101119172200.4e9c8cd5@scorpio> <20101120123442.2074a054@scorpio> From: Chris Rees Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 19:15:32 +0000 Message-ID: To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: openssl version - how to verify X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 19:16:05 -0000 On 20 November 2010 17:34, Jerry wrote: > On Sat, 20 Nov 2010 16:56:05 +0000 > Chris Rees articulated: > >> >> > > While I agree with your point in this context, the statement >> >> > > "The number of _UNDISCOVERED_ bugs, on the other hand, is an >> >> > > infinite one." is false. >> >> > > >> >> > http://www.unsw.edu.au/news/pad/articles/2009/sep/microkernel_breakthrough.html >> >> People believed Aristotle's assurances about the rate of things >> falling for nearly 2000 years until Galileo and Newton pointed out >> 'obvious' flaws in his method. > > Which is precisely my point in regards to the link shown above. > Er, no. YOU have the burden of proof in your assertion, 'obvious' is not good enough. The link above refers to a study; if you think there's been a bug then show us. Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 20 19:25:17 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2F461065673 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 19:25:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2916E8FC0A for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 19:25:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PJt3g-0001J4-D3 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 20:25:12 +0100 Received: from pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.85.36]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 20:25:12 +0100 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 20:25:12 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 14:27:16 -0500 Lines: 67 Message-ID: References: <4CE81333.8020804@tundraware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net Subject: Re: Softupdates And Samba X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 19:25:17 -0000 Tim Daneliuk wrote: > I installed another SATA drive on a FreeBSD 8.1-STABLE box here last > night. After the disk prep, I mounted it and then shared the whole drive > via Samba. > > This morning when I came in, the machine had horked all over itself and > I saw this in the log after the reboot: > > Nov 20 01:06:59 ozzie kernel: ad6: TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA48 retrying (1 retry > left) LBA=34066054 3 > Nov 20 01:06:59 ozzie kernel: ad6: FAILURE - WRITE_DMA48 > status=51 error=10< NID_NOT_FOUND> LBA=340660543 > Nov 20 01:06:59 ozzie kernel: > g_vfs_done():ad6s1d[WRITE(offset=174418165760, length=131072)]e rror = 5 > Nov 20 02:15:07 ozzie kernel: ad6: TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA48 retrying (1 retry > left) LBA=14580695 35 > Nov 20 02:15:07 ozzie kernel: ad6: FAILURE - WRITE_DMA48 > status=51 error=10< NID_NOT_FOUND> LBA=1458069535 > Nov 20 02:15:07 ozzie kernel: > g_vfs_done():ad6s1d[WRITE(offset=746531569664, length=131072)]e rror = 5 > > > I reformatted and remounted the drive and accidentally forgot to enable > softupdates. It seems to now be working fine. > > Is there a known interaction with softupdates and Samba such that I should > not use them in this case, or could this just have been a loose cable > or something? The drive is pretty new (< 6mo) and it's never been a > problem when I used it on an NTFS system previously. > > TIA, I can't speak to -Stable, as I bounce from -Release to -Release. But I have used Samba with softupdates for years and never experienced any problem which might be related to such a combination. While it exists the possibility of flaky controller/driver bug I would look towards a hardware situation first. First thing I'd do is get a bootable CD with the drive manufacturer's diagnostics on it. Western Digital has a bootable .iso you can download if it happens to be a WD. Do the destructive write all zeros comprehensive test and look for any errors, particularly surface defects. I do this with any used drive before using it again. Oh yeah - swap in a new cable first. Plug it in and out several times to scratch through any thin film layer of corrosion which may have formed on the copper. RAID controller and a so-called "Green" drive? They are very prone to falling "offline", as per: http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1397 Most of the time you can get away with running a desktop drive on a RAID controller and not have problems, but the potential exists. In lieu of this, you could also install smartmontools and look at the drive with various smartctl tests. I take numbers from smart testing with a grain of salt. I generally see them as an additional data point rather than trying to split hairs into a conclusion. The thing you would be trying to discern here is if the bad sector remap area has filled. When this happens the drive can no longer "hide" bad sectors from the OS. I'd bet it's something simple like a bad cable. Also recall the first rule of maintenance: "If it works, don't Fix It!" :-) -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 20 21:30:16 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0955F106566B for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 21:30:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D8FA8FC08 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 21:30:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb35 with SMTP id 35so4927726wyb.13 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 13:30:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.157.17 with SMTP id z17mr3992385wbw.142.1290288614060; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 13:30:14 -0800 (PST) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.227.145.133 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 13:30:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 16:30:14 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: fsSR-TvY88UC_I7hRoF1B_ArBYM Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Fwd: FBSD 8 php 52 extensions dependency on X11 ??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 21:30:16 -0000 On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Amitabh Kant wrote: > > > On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Alejandro Imass wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Whilst installing some (many) of the php 52 extensions in a jail I >> suddenly realized I was about to install X11 and a whole bunch of x11 >> related deps. >> Would some kind soul explain to me which php 52 extension requires X11 >> ??? Should it not say it EXPLICITLY??? !!! >> [...] >> Also, is there another command or make option that would have warned >> me of the Xvfb or xorg dependencies?? >> Many thanks in advance, >> >> -- >> Alejandro Imass > > Either use WITHOUT_X11=yes in your make line, or have WITHOUT_X11=yes in > your /etc/make.conf file beofre you run the make command. Can't help you > with generating correct dependency list though. > Thanks for the tip. The ming extension was in fact the culprit. Now I'm guessing there must be a way to recursively analyze dependencies! Anyway, IMHO the comment on the ming module should state clearly that it requires a complete X server. Granted though, I shouldn't have selected that extension anyway, I did by mistake, so maybe if I knew what it was it would have been obvious, who knows...