From owner-freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 10 16:20:44 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A3181065676 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:20:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marius@alchemy.franken.de) Received: from alchemy.franken.de (alchemy.franken.de [194.94.249.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0455C8FC14 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:20:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alchemy.franken.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alchemy.franken.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/ALCHEMY.FRANKEN.DE) with ESMTP id o0AGKXdk079753; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:20:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marius@alchemy.franken.de) Received: (from marius@localhost) by alchemy.franken.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id o0AGKXZB079752; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:20:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marius) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:20:33 +0100 From: Marius Strobl To: brad dreisbach Message-ID: <20100110162033.GA79724@alchemy.franken.de> References: <0334FB50-D299-4723-A36A-0228EC062D34@ameri.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0334FB50-D299-4723-A36A-0228EC062D34@ameri.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Subject: Re: smbfs X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:20:44 -0000 On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 08:49:30AM -0500, brad dreisbach wrote: > what is the status of smbfs support in the sparc64 port? AFAICT it's still unchanged from last Februrary: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-sparc64/2009-February/006189.html It still would be interesting to know how far the kernel part actually gets these days on sparc64. Marius From owner-freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 10 16:24:47 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D067106566B for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:24:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marius@alchemy.franken.de) Received: from alchemy.franken.de (alchemy.franken.de [194.94.249.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6CB8FC16 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:24:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alchemy.franken.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alchemy.franken.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/ALCHEMY.FRANKEN.DE) with ESMTP id o0AGOjIe079795; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:24:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marius@alchemy.franken.de) Received: (from marius@localhost) by alchemy.franken.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id o0AGOjMc079794; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:24:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marius) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:24:45 +0100 From: Marius Strobl To: KOT MATPOCKuH Message-ID: <20100110162445.GH57293@alchemy.franken.de> References: <3979a4b0909170200x754ea8c5l495e300b2a7a5113@mail.gmail.com> <20090917224556.GA41908@alchemy.franken.de> <3979a4b0909172329q3a113942xfcd71394a98fee19@mail.gmail.com> <20090918131416.GQ57060@alchemy.franken.de> <3979a4b0911120450i31831743j80fd1cfd7c6916b4@mail.gmail.com> <20091116221414.GS27738@alchemy.franken.de> <3979a4b0911252327r679a8594id7d18224adfd1d5f@mail.gmail.com> <20091129215050.GV6562@alchemy.franken.de> <3979a4b0912020609l1426b6e8jaf1beb67b3b3546c@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3979a4b0912020609l1426b6e8jaf1beb67b3b3546c@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is it posible to run FreeBSD/sparc64 on SunFire V215? X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:24:47 -0000 On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 05:09:54PM +0300, KOT MATPOCKuH wrote: > > > FYI, pending > > some final tests I think that the code for supporting > > PCIe-based sun4u machines is now ready for hitting HEAD > > (but given that it touches several pieces, commit it while > > take a bit). > I'm looking forward to this event :) FYI, all bits required for V215/V245 are now in head. With some luck support will also show up in 7.3. Marius From owner-freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 11 00:34:34 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F22B01065672 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:34:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from samankaya@netscape.net) Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4AF08FC1B for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:34:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0B0OAoO013204 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:24:10 -0500 Received: from samankaya@netscape.net by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id n.c5b.5f11426a (37107) for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:24:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.16.1.52] (mail.reformkurumsal.com [212.156.209.87]) by cia-db08.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB085-90f34b4a6fa5d7; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:24:08 -0500 Message-ID: <4B4A6FA5.1010002@netscape.net> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 02:24:05 +0200 From: Kaya Saman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090323) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 212.156.209.87 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-SENDER: samankaya@netscape.net Subject: Newbie to FreeBSD on SPARC - questions about Sun hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:34:35 -0000 Hi, I'm quite new to FreeBSD as the only things that I've done are a lot of research and created a radio from it on an x86 box! I run a few SPARC based systems currently which run a combination of OpenSolaris, SXCE, Solaris9 and 10 and am planning to upgrade to more Sun hardware pretty soon within the next few weeks. I plan to grab a Fire V480 and use it as a mainframe server so I have to ask about the compatibility of Sun hardware and FreeBSD SPARC port?? The reason why I need to know is that I had Sun Raid Manager 6.22.1 installed on Solaris 10 then upgraded to SXCE on a Sun Enterprise 420r server which was hooked up to an A1000 and D1000 disk boxes. Subsequently RM6 didn't work anymore when installed on SXCE as was EOL so I have a concern that if I get the V480 and hook something like a Sun S1 or the A/D1000's up to it will the OS detect the hardware and enable me to create LUN's or at least format and partition the drives? Also, since I currently run Linux on many of my platforms I am wondering how the SPARC port differs if at all from the x86 software wise? With Linux for example if one installs say the Fedora or Debian distro on any non-x86 hardware things are removed; my main needs are to run Cacti, Munin, and perhaps even Icecast2, Darkice, Xmms2 and Dupal5.... ok Dupal is a php app so should work but the rest of course are of concern! Just quickly to finalize my questions: how does the performance of FreeBSD on SPARC compare with running Solaris on the same platform/architecture?? Basically apart from applications residing in the ports collection what other benefits will I get? Like Solaris has Zones while BSD has Jails - that kind of thing I'm after..... Many thanks, Kaya From owner-freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 11 11:07:09 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42A7610656B5 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:07:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31FB98FC25 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:07:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o0BB79R8034789 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:07:09 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id o0BB78CY034787 for freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:07:08 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:07:08 GMT Message-Id: <201001111107.o0BB78CY034787@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: gnats set sender to owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Current problem reports assigned to freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:07:09 -0000 Note: to view an individual PR, use: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=(number). The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o sparc/142102 sparc64 [nfs] [panic] FreeBSD 8.0 kernel panics on sparc64 whe s sparc/139134 sparc64 kernel output corruption f sparc/127051 sparc64 [hme] hme interfaces "pause" with the message "device o sparc/119244 sparc64 X11Forwarding to X11 server on sparc crashes Xorg o sparc/119240 sparc64 top has WCPU over 100% on UP system s sparc/119239 sparc64 gdb coredumps on sparc64 o sparc/113556 sparc64 [panic] trap: memory address not aligned; Rebooting... f sparc/108732 sparc64 ping(8) reports 14 digit time on sparc64 s sparc/107087 sparc64 [hang] system is hung during boot from CD o sparc/105048 sparc64 [trm] trm(4) panics on sparc64 o sparc/104428 sparc64 [nullfs] nullfs panics on E4500 (but not E420) o sparc/80890 sparc64 [panic] kmem_malloc(73728): kmem_map too small running o sparc/80410 sparc64 [netgraph] netgraph is causing crash with mpd on sparc o sparc/71729 sparc64 printf in kernel thread causes panic on SPARC 14 problems total. From owner-freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 11 18:30:25 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BB11065672 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:30:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from samankaya@netscape.net) Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com (imr-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7618FC16 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:30:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0BIUKuV032605 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:30:20 -0500 Received: from samankaya@netscape.net by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id n.d31.629a9ec9 (44048) for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:30:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.16.1.52] (mail.reformkurumsal.com [212.156.209.87]) by cia-dd07.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD074-ac104b4b6e37ee; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:30:17 -0500 Message-ID: <4B4B6E37.3050005@netscape.net> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:30:15 +0200 From: Kaya Saman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090323) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org References: <4B4A6FA5.1010002@netscape.net> In-Reply-To: <4B4A6FA5.1010002@netscape.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 212.156.209.87 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-SENDER: samankaya@netscape.net Subject: Re: Newbie to FreeBSD on SPARC - questions about Sun hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:30:25 -0000 Kaya Saman wrote: > Hi, > > I'm quite new to FreeBSD as the only things that I've done are a lot > of research and created a radio from it on an x86 box! > > I run a few SPARC based systems currently which run a combination of > OpenSolaris, SXCE, Solaris9 and 10 and am planning to upgrade to more > Sun hardware pretty soon within the next few weeks. > > I plan to grab a Fire V480 and use it as a mainframe server so I have > to ask about the compatibility of Sun hardware and FreeBSD SPARC port?? > > The reason why I need to know is that I had Sun Raid Manager 6.22.1 > installed on Solaris 10 then upgraded to SXCE on a Sun Enterprise 420r > server which was hooked up to an A1000 and D1000 disk boxes. > Subsequently RM6 didn't work anymore when installed on SXCE as was EOL > so I have a concern that if I get the V480 and hook something like a > Sun S1 or the A/D1000's up to it will the OS detect the hardware and > enable me to create LUN's or at least format and partition the drives? > > Also, since I currently run Linux on many of my platforms I am > wondering how the SPARC port differs if at all from the x86 software > wise? > > With Linux for example if one installs say the Fedora or Debian distro > on any non-x86 hardware things are removed; my main needs are to run > Cacti, Munin, and perhaps even Icecast2, Darkice, Xmms2 and Dupal5.... > ok Dupal is a php app so should work but the rest of course are of > concern! > > Just quickly to finalize my questions: how does the performance of > FreeBSD on SPARC compare with running Solaris on the same > platform/architecture?? > > Basically apart from applications residing in the ports collection > what other benefits will I get? Like Solaris has Zones while BSD has > Jails - that kind of thing I'm after..... > > Many thanks, > > Kaya > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-sparc64 > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-sparc64-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hi guys.... is this list online or dead? Sorry am just not used to a mailing list being this quiet! Usually within a few minutes or hours of signing up someone has posted something to the list (not meaning response to what I ask but just in a generic sense). Regards, Kaya From owner-freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 11 19:18:45 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B6D1065679 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:18:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from royce.williams@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f197.google.com (mail-yw0-f197.google.com [209.85.211.197]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 652508FC14 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:18:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh35 with SMTP id 35so12552104ywh.7 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:18:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Oa1B+bFVySMRmyRTtVWugFSk0JnXvT5HGKQb8YhbDUM=; b=Fu+IuDtUm9vXLRyJdkAWyjUDZemi+NA8cThOd88nZ//goxxsbSH7HRXY+quU7IKDtS 7+kZKHAJgOdkdbypVXGfte+VNxWlKj7iHW7abNngLL3oDXYxBt/0LcrGZSa/ymz3StLH 4W5RIIS5sGXvTLO+snj91u5GTu79+1q+YI7cc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=TkUEkOjZyEhEIZ8jy+zQYRRAJzFzH/1t2iCOXoHJxoMVSIrP8tktfaW8S3jci3ZORt 1R6h5cQVaJqgRPDxzxuUfsBsexbR8V9yd84TxO+9aLyEAlPIp0cdo122zIF0YM3eKpih tbWZyEdB7uS67cb/P3dMyT64B6VFF63YrnUEU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.131.2 with SMTP id i2mr2459008ybn.56.1263236196094; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:56:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B4B6E37.3050005@netscape.net> References: <4B4A6FA5.1010002@netscape.net> <4B4B6E37.3050005@netscape.net> From: Royce Williams Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:56:16 -0900 Message-ID: <9dd082311001111056j1ca3afb4le14ba84270fb730@mail.gmail.com> To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Newbie to FreeBSD on SPARC - questions about Sun hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:18:45 -0000 On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Kaya Saman wrote: > is this list online or dead? > > Sorry am just not used to a mailing list being this quiet! Usually within a > few minutes or hours of signing up someone has posted something to the list > (not meaning response to what I ask but just in a generic sense). I'm mostly a lurker on this list, but I'd say that the silence was because your message had multiple sections, and some of the questions were non-trivial to answer. :-) Your summary was helpful: > [...] how does the performance of FreeBSD on SPARC compare > with running Solaris on the same platform/architecture?? .. but you also said that you were interested in the difference between SPARC and x86. There are many, many variables underneath the answer to these questions. Also, "performance" means different things to different people. I don't know of any broad, publiished benchmarks comparing freebsd/sparc64 and freebsd/i386 performance, but they would be interesting to see. Maybe someone else on the list is in a similar boat, and will chime in here. :-) In my experience, unless you can find others who are already working under similar requirements, the clueful advice I've seen people give is that doing your own testing is the best way to get results that are meaningful to your situation. Royce From owner-freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 11 19:36:14 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0996F106568D for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:36:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from samankaya@netscape.net) Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com (imr-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCC148FC12 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:36:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0BJZtNQ019501; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:35:55 -0500 Received: from samankaya@netscape.net by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id o.bc4.5e6db6d5 (34969); Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:35:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.16.1.52] (mail.reformkurumsal.com [212.156.209.87]) by cia-da07.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA076-88994b4b7d9139e; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:35:47 -0500 Message-ID: <4B4B7D86.6000502@netscape.net> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:35:34 +0200 From: Kaya Saman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090323) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Royce Williams References: <4B4A6FA5.1010002@netscape.net> <4B4B6E37.3050005@netscape.net> <9dd082311001111056j1ca3afb4le14ba84270fb730@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9dd082311001111056j1ca3afb4le14ba84270fb730@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 212.156.209.87 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-SENDER: samankaya@netscape.net Cc: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie to FreeBSD on SPARC - questions about Sun hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:36:14 -0000 Royce Williams wrote: > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Kaya Saman wrote: > > >> is this list online or dead? >> >> Sorry am just not used to a mailing list being this quiet! Usually within a >> few minutes or hours of signing up someone has posted something to the list >> (not meaning response to what I ask but just in a generic sense). >> > > I'm mostly a lurker on this list, but I'd say that the silence was > because your message had multiple sections, and some of the questions > were non-trivial to answer. :-) > > Your summary was helpful: > > [...] > > .. but you also said that you were interested in the difference > between SPARC and x86. There are many, many variables underneath the > answer to these questions. Also, "performance" means different things > to different people. I don't know of any broad, publiished benchmarks > comparing freebsd/sparc64 and freebsd/i386 performance, but they would > be interesting to see. > > Maybe someone else on the list is in a similar boat, and will chime in > here. :-) In my experience, unless you can find others who are > already working under similar requirements, the clueful advice I've > seen people give is that doing your own testing is the best way to get > results that are meaningful to your situation. > > Royce > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-sparc64 > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-sparc64-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Many thanks for the response Royce! :-) Actually I am not that much interested in the performance benefits between x86 and SPARC; but more between OpenSolaris and FreeBSD on SPARC as I will be running either one on a Sun V480 server. The issue I am facing is purely down to software and administration. I mean the best example I can provide is that BSD has the packages I want at least for x86 which I've seen: that are Cacti, Munin, and awstats (should also be there for SPARC too) but then Solaris has zones which allow me to allocate a separate virtualized OS contained within the master OS or global zone. BSD on the other hand has jails and as from going onto the jails list apparently I can actually assign interfaces to various jails which is what I was going to do if I used Solaris Zones. So that's really what my issue is: which OS to choose?? Adding to what I mentioned about Cacti, Munin etc.... Solaris has a secondary site called opencsw which you can download most of the stuff bar Cacti. This just makes thing tricky I feel to install and configure since one can do a /usr/ports/*/cacti then make install clean which will do everything on FreeBSD. Hmm..... decisions, decisions...... Regards, Kaya From owner-freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 11 19:51:27 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E331065670 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:51:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from samankaya@netscape.net) Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 443768FC14 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:51:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0BJotw6024865; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:50:55 -0500 Received: from samankaya@netscape.net by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id j.c8a.50304c08 (43911); Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:50:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.16.1.52] (mail.reformkurumsal.com [212.156.209.87]) by cia-dc07.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC078-ab874b4b81162f0; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:50:48 -0500 Message-ID: <4B4B8116.3000108@netscape.net> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:50:46 +0200 From: Kaya Saman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090323) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Eirik_=D8verby?= References: <4B4A6FA5.1010002@netscape.net> <4B4B6E37.3050005@netscape.net> <9dd082311001111056j1ca3afb4le14ba84270fb730@mail.gmail.com> <4B4B7D86.6000502@netscape.net> <15033963-494B-4D34-8359-52D2C59EC6A1@anduin.net> In-Reply-To: <15033963-494B-4D34-8359-52D2C59EC6A1@anduin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 212.156.209.87 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-SENDER: samankaya@netscape.net Cc: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie to FreeBSD on SPARC - questions about Sun hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:51:27 -0000 > > Two things that make me use FreeBSD before (Open)Solaris on any piece of SPARC hardware I get my hands on: > - It "feels" faster, snappier, whatever, no hard evidence, just gut feeling > - FreeBSD is, from my perspective and when using non-bundled opensource software, easier to manage. Three words: ports, portmaster, freebsd-update. > > /Eirik > > > Many thanks for the opinion Erik it is much appreciated! I have the same thing in mind even though I've just actually started with FreeBSD, only 1 week now of usage and the first thing I did was setup an internet streaming radio station from it..... On the PIV 2.4GHz machine it is on currently with 480MB of RAM I can really compare with Linux as I've been using that since 2k5 that it takes much less system resources then any other OS. I mean I am only using between ~80-90MB of RAM - ok so CPU is a bit excessive between ~30-50% but that's due to 32 bit single socket/core CPU architecture not being able to handle darkice efficiently. Try doing that with Solaris or Linux.... nigh on impossible! I reckon with the CISC architecture or the SPARC that the system will be even better and faster! Then add the 4 sockets of the V480 I am looking at :-D ....bliss. Regards, Kaya From owner-freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 11 19:51:51 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5503B106566C for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:51:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: from uriah.heep.sax.de (uriah.heep.sax.de [213.240.137.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDD338FC08 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:51:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by uriah.heep.sax.de (Postfix, from userid 107) id 884A145; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:33:00 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:33:00 +0100 From: Joerg Wunsch To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20100111193300.GD49006@uriah.heep.sax.de> References: <4B4A6FA5.1010002@netscape.net> <4B4B6E37.3050005@netscape.net> <9dd082311001111056j1ca3afb4le14ba84270fb730@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9dd082311001111056j1ca3afb4le14ba84270fb730@mail.gmail.com> X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-GPG-Fingerprint: 5E84 F980 C3CA FD4B B584 1070 F48C A81B 69A8 5873 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: Newbie to FreeBSD on SPARC - questions about Sun hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Joerg Wunsch List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:51:51 -0000 As Royce Williams wrote: > Also, "performance" means different things > to different people. I don't know of any broad, publiished benchmarks > comparing freebsd/sparc64 and freebsd/i386 performance, but they would > be interesting to see. It's been a while ago that I've really been using FreeBSD/sparc64 for the last time. However, in those situations where I've been using it, it's been on hardware that has once been used for Solaris but now became too slow/old for its original job. In all those situations, FreeBSD gave the respective machines a second life. So in general, I'd say its resource requirements are often a little lower than for a Solaris setup. But of course, your mileage may vary. If you run a fat database engine which is mostly memory-bound, both systems will probably be in the same boat. It's just that you could get a FreeBSD running with a smaller memory (and CPU) footprint than Solaris. As for the ported software, you could simply gather data by analyzing a ports tree, looking out for Makefiles that have ONLY_FOR_ARCHS or NOT_FOR_ARCHS definitions. Obvious candidates to not run on sparc64 are, of course, ports for anything that uses external binaries (Linux or Win32) that are only available for i386. I've never run a sound driver on my Sparc hardware, so I can't tell about multimedia capabilities. I guess now that many of the older Sun Blades have been retired from their first life, other people here probably made experience with running those under FreeBSD. -- cheers, J"org .-.-. --... ...-- -.. . DL8DTL http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 11 20:09:31 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58E88106568F for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:09:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ltning@anduin.net) Received: from mail.anduin.net (mail.anduin.net [213.225.74.249]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17C4E8FC13 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:09:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.62.248.147] (helo=ranger.home.anduin.net) by mail.anduin.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NUQ6y-0002DA-SR; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:39:37 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Eirik_=D8verby?= In-Reply-To: <4B4B7D86.6000502@netscape.net> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:39:35 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <15033963-494B-4D34-8359-52D2C59EC6A1@anduin.net> References: <4B4A6FA5.1010002@netscape.net> <4B4B6E37.3050005@netscape.net> <9dd082311001111056j1ca3afb4le14ba84270fb730@mail.gmail.com> <4B4B7D86.6000502@netscape.net> To: Kaya Saman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Cc: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie to FreeBSD on SPARC - questions about Sun hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:09:31 -0000 On 11. jan. 2010, at 20.35, Kaya Saman wrote: > Royce Williams wrote: >> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Kaya Saman = wrote: >>=20 >> =20 >>> is this list online or dead? >>>=20 >>> Sorry am just not used to a mailing list being this quiet! Usually = within a >>> few minutes or hours of signing up someone has posted something to = the list >>> (not meaning response to what I ask but just in a generic sense). >>> =20 >>=20 >> I'm mostly a lurker on this list, but I'd say that the silence was >> because your message had multiple sections, and some of the questions >> were non-trivial to answer. :-) >>=20 >> Your summary was helpful: >>=20 >> [...] >>=20 >> .. but you also said that you were interested in the difference >> between SPARC and x86. There are many, many variables underneath the >> answer to these questions. Also, "performance" means different = things >> to different people. I don't know of any broad, publiished = benchmarks >> comparing freebsd/sparc64 and freebsd/i386 performance, but they = would >> be interesting to see. >>=20 >> Maybe someone else on the list is in a similar boat, and will chime = in >> here. :-) In my experience, unless you can find others who are >> already working under similar requirements, the clueful advice I've >> seen people give is that doing your own testing is the best way to = get >> results that are meaningful to your situation. >>=20 >> Royce >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-sparc64 >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-sparc64-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> =20 > Many thanks for the response Royce! :-) >=20 > Actually I am not that much interested in the performance benefits = between x86 and SPARC; but more between OpenSolaris and FreeBSD on SPARC = as I will be running either one on a Sun V480 server. >=20 > The issue I am facing is purely down to software and administration. I = mean the best example I can provide is that BSD has the packages I want = at least for x86 which I've seen: that are Cacti, Munin, and awstats = (should also be there for SPARC too) but then Solaris has zones which = allow me to allocate a separate virtualized OS contained within the = master OS or global zone. BSD on the other hand has jails and as from = going onto the jails list apparently I can actually assign interfaces to = various jails which is what I was going to do if I used Solaris Zones. >=20 > So that's really what my issue is: which OS to choose?? >=20 > Adding to what I mentioned about Cacti, Munin etc.... Solaris has a = secondary site called opencsw which you can download most of the stuff = bar Cacti. This just makes thing tricky I feel to install and configure = since one can do a /usr/ports/*/cacti then make install clean which will = do everything on FreeBSD. Two things that make me use FreeBSD before (Open)Solaris on any piece of = SPARC hardware I get my hands on: - It "feels" faster, snappier, whatever, no hard evidence, just gut = feeling - FreeBSD is, from my perspective and when using non-bundled opensource = software, easier to manage. Three words: ports, portmaster, = freebsd-update. /Eirik > Hmm..... decisions, decisions...... >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Kaya > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-sparc64 > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-sparc64-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 From owner-freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 11 21:16:28 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C1F11065693 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:16:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marius@alchemy.franken.de) Received: from alchemy.franken.de (alchemy.franken.de [194.94.249.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2C008FC1B for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:16:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alchemy.franken.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alchemy.franken.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/ALCHEMY.FRANKEN.DE) with ESMTP id o0BLGQpw094845; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:16:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marius@alchemy.franken.de) Received: (from marius@localhost) by alchemy.franken.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id o0BLGQLG094844; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:16:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marius) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:16:26 +0100 From: Marius Strobl To: Kaya Saman Message-ID: <20100111211626.GA94723@alchemy.franken.de> References: <4B4A6FA5.1010002@netscape.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4B4A6FA5.1010002@netscape.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie to FreeBSD on SPARC - questions about Sun hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:16:28 -0000 On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 02:24:05AM +0200, Kaya Saman wrote: > Hi, > > I'm quite new to FreeBSD as the only things that I've done are a lot of > research and created a radio from it on an x86 box! > > I run a few SPARC based systems currently which run a combination of > OpenSolaris, SXCE, Solaris9 and 10 and am planning to upgrade to more > Sun hardware pretty soon within the next few weeks. > > I plan to grab a Fire V480 and use it as a mainframe server so I have to > ask about the compatibility of Sun hardware and FreeBSD SPARC port?? FreeBSD currently crashes on older models of V480 when attempting to use an on-board NIC due to what appears to be a CPU bug which needs to be worked around. It appears to work fine on later V480 equipped with version 7 Schizo bridges (that's just an indicator and unlikely related to the problem) though, but FreeBSD 7.3 will be the first release (besides the current stable branches) to work with their changed firmware behavior. Linux doesn't seem to do any better in this regard: http://marc.info/?l=linux-sparc&m=122220796209509&w=2 http://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc/2009/12/msg00012.html Marius From owner-freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 11 23:27:13 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1807F106566B for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:27:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gavin.atkinson@ury.york.ac.uk) Received: from mail-gw1.york.ac.uk (mail-gw1.york.ac.uk [144.32.128.246]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3FD8FC14 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:27:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gw6.york.ac.uk (mail-gw6.york.ac.uk [144.32.129.26]) by mail-gw1.york.ac.uk (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id o0BNR85v001367; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:27:08 GMT Received: from ury.york.ac.uk ([144.32.108.81]) by mail-gw6.york.ac.uk with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1NUTf9-0007Az-SU; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:27:07 +0000 Received: from ury.york.ac.uk (localhost.york.ac.uk [127.0.0.1]) by ury.york.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o0BNR7GL047818; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:27:07 GMT (envelope-from gavin.atkinson@ury.york.ac.uk) Received: from localhost (gavin@localhost) by ury.york.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id o0BNR6XG047807; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:27:07 GMT (envelope-from gavin.atkinson@ury.york.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: ury.york.ac.uk: gavin owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:27:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Gavin Atkinson X-X-Sender: gavin@ury.york.ac.uk To: Kaya Saman In-Reply-To: <4B4B7D86.6000502@netscape.net> Message-ID: References: <4B4A6FA5.1010002@netscape.net> <4B4B6E37.3050005@netscape.net> <9dd082311001111056j1ca3afb4le14ba84270fb730@mail.gmail.com> <4B4B7D86.6000502@netscape.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-York-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-York-MailScanner-From: gavin.atkinson@ury.york.ac.uk Cc: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie to FreeBSD on SPARC - questions about Sun hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:27:13 -0000 On Mon, 11 Jan 2010, Kaya Saman wrote: > Actually I am not that much interested in the performance benefits between x86 > and SPARC; but more between OpenSolaris and FreeBSD on SPARC as I will be > running either one on a Sun V480 server. It's quite hard to say with any certainty. I'd personally say that on my old Ultra 5, Solaris is a little faster, especially for IDE disk access. On my V480, I can't tell any difference in speed between FreeBSD and Solaris. However, it's probably very dependent on the exact workload: something entirely CPU bound or I/O bound probably won't be any faster or slower whatever the OS is. > The issue I am facing is purely down to software and administration. I mean > the best example I can provide is that BSD has the packages I want at least > for x86 which I've seen: that are Cacti, Munin, and awstats (should also be > there for SPARC too) but then Solaris has zones which allow me to allocate a > separate virtualized OS contained within the master OS or global zone. BSD on > the other hand has jails and as from going onto the jails list apparently I > can actually assign interfaces to various jails which is what I was going to > do if I used Solaris Zones. Briefly (and again, personal opinion): Solaris Zones win over FreeBSD Jails (but if you're not using the extra features like resource limiting then there's probably no real difference). Solaris hardware monitoring (failed PSU, etc) wins over FreeBSD (I'm not sure if FreeBSD supports any "fan failed" type stuff) FreeBSD ports win over OpenCSW or Blastwave, by a *long* way. FreeBSD community wins over Solaris community (I've had a lot of experience with both!). At the end of the day, Solaris is always going to win on the level of hardware support, but from a day to day management point of view I'd say FreeBSD and it's ports win hands down. Gavin From owner-freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 12 00:18:47 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 564991065694 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:18:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from craig001@lerwick.hopto.org) Received: from lerwick.hopto.org (81-178-20-70.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 969218FC1D for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:18:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 6303 invoked by uid 98); 12 Jan 2010 00:24:08 +0000 Received: from 192.168.0.100 by polaris.lerwick.hopto.org (envelope-from , uid 82) with qmail-scanner-2.01 (clamdscan: 0.95.1/9971. hbedv: 7.9.1.53/7.1.6.174. spamassassin: 3.2.5. Clear:RC:1(192.168.0.100):. Processed in 3.504262 secs); 12 Jan 2010 00:24:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO x60.lerwick.hopto.org) (192.168.0.100) by lerwick.hopto.org with SMTP; 12 Jan 2010 00:24:04 +0000 Message-ID: <4B4BBE73.2030601@lerwick.hopto.org> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:12:35 +0000 From: Craig Butler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091221 Lightning/1.0b2pre Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lewis References: <20091215073312.GA44797@misty.eyesbeyond.com> In-Reply-To: <20091215073312.GA44797@misty.eyesbeyond.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Java on FreeBSD/sparc64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:18:47 -0000 On 15/12/2009 07:33, Greg Lewis wrote: > It's slow and I'm not particularly confident of how well it works on SMP. > But if you're feeling adventurous and have FreeBSD/sparc64 8.0 and a yen > to use Java then you might be interested in trying it out. > > http://people.freebsd.org/~glewis/openjdk7-freebsd-8.0-sparc64.tar.gz > > Note that this isn't a package, its just a tarball based on the BSD port > of OpenJDK 7. > > If you were particuarly keen you could install Mercurial with the forest > extension, hg fclone http://hg.openjdk.java.net/bsd-port/bsd-port/ and > see if you could use it as a bootstrap to port HotSpot so it was faster. > > Sorry, I don't think I have the bandwidth to get this going on 7.x right > now. If you'd like to I can outline roughly what I did. > > There will eventually be an openjdk7 port that will make this easier. > > Greg Thank you very much, I can confirm this is working with the latest 8 stable as compiled earlier today. I had to install devel/libffi to satisfy a dependency for java executable. I unpacked the openjdk tarball into /usr/local and included the bin path into my PATH environmental variable. Simple hello world program compiles and runs... brilliant :*) java on sparc64 under freebsd, perfect Cheers Craig B From owner-freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 12 08:04:06 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C505B1065672 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:04:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from samankaya@netscape.net) Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (imr-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.39]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849D58FC1A for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:04:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0C83o7L004831; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 03:03:50 -0500 Received: from samankaya@netscape.net by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.cae.59c8185a (34964); Tue, 12 Jan 2010 03:03:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.16.1.52] (mail.reformkurumsal.com [212.156.209.87]) by cia-da07.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA071-88944b4c2cd72a2; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 03:03:47 -0500 Message-ID: <4B4C2CD3.9090407@netscape.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:03:31 +0200 From: Kaya Saman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090323) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gavin Atkinson References: <4B4A6FA5.1010002@netscape.net> <4B4B6E37.3050005@netscape.net> <9dd082311001111056j1ca3afb4le14ba84270fb730@mail.gmail.com> <4B4B7D86.6000502@netscape.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 212.156.209.87 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-SENDER: samankaya@netscape.net Cc: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie to FreeBSD on SPARC - questions about Sun hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:04:06 -0000 Many thanks guys, I will respond with a prominent reply hopefully within a few hours if not then at around ~17:00 EET time as I have some work to do in the office allocated to me right now. :-) Best regards, Kaya Gavin Atkinson wrote: > On Mon, 11 Jan 2010, Kaya Saman wrote: > >> Actually I am not that much interested in the performance benefits between x86 >> and SPARC; but more between OpenSolaris and FreeBSD on SPARC as I will be >> running either one on a Sun V480 server. >> > > It's quite hard to say with any certainty. I'd personally say that on my > old Ultra 5, Solaris is a little faster, especially for IDE disk access. > On my V480, I can't tell any difference in speed between FreeBSD and > Solaris. However, it's probably very dependent on the exact workload: > something entirely CPU bound or I/O bound probably won't be any faster or > slower whatever the OS is. > > >> The issue I am facing is purely down to software and administration. I mean >> the best example I can provide is that BSD has the packages I want at least >> for x86 which I've seen: that are Cacti, Munin, and awstats (should also be >> there for SPARC too) but then Solaris has zones which allow me to allocate a >> separate virtualized OS contained within the master OS or global zone. BSD on >> the other hand has jails and as from going onto the jails list apparently I >> can actually assign interfaces to various jails which is what I was going to >> do if I used Solaris Zones. >> > > Briefly (and again, personal opinion): > > Solaris Zones win over FreeBSD Jails (but if you're not using the extra > features like resource limiting then there's probably no real difference). > > Solaris hardware monitoring (failed PSU, etc) wins over FreeBSD (I'm not > sure if FreeBSD supports any "fan failed" type stuff) > > FreeBSD ports win over OpenCSW or Blastwave, by a *long* way. > > FreeBSD community wins over Solaris community (I've had a lot of > experience with both!). > > At the end of the day, Solaris is always going to win on the level of > hardware support, but from a day to day management point of view I'd say > FreeBSD and it's ports win hands down. > > Gavin > From owner-freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 12 09:39:15 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6050C106568D for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:39:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D7808FC12 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:39:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seis.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.93]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NUdDT-0007i2-Nl; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:39:14 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by seis.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NUdDS-0002ed-SY; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:39:11 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o0C9dAU3069243; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:39:10 GMT (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id o0C9dA4Y069242; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:39:10 GMT (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk: mexas set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:39:10 +0000 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: Joerg Wunsch Message-ID: <20100112093910.GC61863@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <4B4A6FA5.1010002@netscape.net> <4B4B6E37.3050005@netscape.net> <9dd082311001111056j1ca3afb4le14ba84270fb730@mail.gmail.com> <20100111193300.GD49006@uriah.heep.sax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20100111193300.GD49006@uriah.heep.sax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Spam-Score: -4.5 X-Spam-Level: ---- Cc: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie to FreeBSD on SPARC - questions about Sun hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:39:15 -0000 On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 08:33:00PM +0100, Joerg Wunsch wrote: > > I've never run a sound driver on my Sparc hardware, so I can't tell > about multimedia capabilities. I guess now that many of the older Sun > Blades have been retired from their first life, other people here > probably made experience with running those under FreeBSD. I've sound on blade 1500 FreeBSD 9.0-current all right. -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From owner-freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 12 18:20:06 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F590106566B for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:20:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from samankaya@netscape.net) Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (imr-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.39]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F235E8FC0A for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:20:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0CIJUou008258; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:19:31 -0500 Received: from samankaya@netscape.net by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id o.bbd.2f087c52 (43905); Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:19:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.16.1.52] (mail.reformkurumsal.com [212.156.209.87]) by cia-dc07.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC072-ab814b4cbd29f; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:19:24 -0500 Message-ID: <4B4CBD29.9000703@netscape.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:19:21 +0200 From: Kaya Saman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090323) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anton Shterenlikht References: <4B4A6FA5.1010002@netscape.net> <4B4B6E37.3050005@netscape.net> <9dd082311001111056j1ca3afb4le14ba84270fb730@mail.gmail.com> <20100111193300.GD49006@uriah.heep.sax.de> <20100112093910.GC61863@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <20100112093910.GC61863@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 212.156.209.87 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-SENDER: samankaya@netscape.net Cc: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org, marius@alchemy.franken.de Subject: Re: Newbie to FreeBSD on SPARC - questions about Sun hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:20:06 -0000 Many thanks for all the responses and the help and advice that you guys have given!!! :-) This has been one really good ride in terms of learning about what can and can't be done with a server before purchasing it. Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 08:33:00PM +0100, Joerg Wunsch wrote: > >> I've never run a sound driver on my Sparc hardware, so I can't tell >> about multimedia capabilities. I guess now that many of the older Sun >> Blades have been retired from their first life, other people here >> probably made experience with running those under FreeBSD. >> > > I've sound on blade 1500 FreeBSD 9.0-current all right. > > Hi Anton isn't the current FreeBSD 8.0?? [quote] FreeBSD currently crashes on older models of V480 when attempting to use an on-board NIC due to what appears to be a CPU bug which needs to be worked around. It appears to work fine on later V480 equipped with version 7 Schizo bridges (that's just an indicator and unlikely related to the problem) though, but FreeBSD 7.3 will be the first release (besides the current stable branches) to work [/quote] Thank you Marius for that information! I will be installing the latest FreeBSD stable or current which is 8.0 (at least for x86) so I am not sure if that will work with both new and old systems or if what you are saying is that the earlier models of the V480 will not work with ANY Linux or BSD version?? Regards, Kaya with their changed firmware behavior. From owner-freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 13 21:48:52 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31200106568D for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:48:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marius@alchemy.franken.de) Received: from alchemy.franken.de (alchemy.franken.de [194.94.249.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3ECA8FC13 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:48:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alchemy.franken.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alchemy.franken.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/ALCHEMY.FRANKEN.DE) with ESMTP id o0DLmn5U027528; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:48:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marius@alchemy.franken.de) Received: (from marius@localhost) by alchemy.franken.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id o0DLmnde027527; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:48:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marius) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:48:49 +0100 From: Marius Strobl To: Kaya Saman Message-ID: <20100113214849.GA18141@alchemy.franken.de> References: <4B4A6FA5.1010002@netscape.net> <4B4B6E37.3050005@netscape.net> <9dd082311001111056j1ca3afb4le14ba84270fb730@mail.gmail.com> <20100111193300.GD49006@uriah.heep.sax.de> <20100112093910.GC61863@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <4B4CBD29.9000703@netscape.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4B4CBD29.9000703@netscape.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie to FreeBSD on SPARC - questions about Sun hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:48:52 -0000 On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 08:19:21PM +0200, Kaya Saman wrote: > Many thanks for all the responses and the help and advice that you guys > have given!!! :-) > > This has been one really good ride in terms of learning about what can > and can't be done with a server before purchasing it. > > Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > >On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 08:33:00PM +0100, Joerg Wunsch wrote: > > > >>I've never run a sound driver on my Sparc hardware, so I can't tell > >>about multimedia capabilities. I guess now that many of the older Sun > >>Blades have been retired from their first life, other people here > >>probably made experience with running those under FreeBSD. > >> > > > >I've sound on blade 1500 FreeBSD 9.0-current all right. > > > > > Hi Anton isn't the current FreeBSD 8.0?? > > [quote] > > FreeBSD currently crashes on older models of V480 when attempting > to use an on-board NIC due to what appears to be a CPU bug which > needs to be worked around. It appears to work fine on later V480 > equipped with version 7 Schizo bridges (that's just an indicator > and unlikely related to the problem) though, but FreeBSD 7.3 will > be the first release (besides the current stable branches) to work > > [/quote] > > Thank you Marius for that information! I will be installing the latest > FreeBSD stable or current which is 8.0 (at least for x86) so I am not > sure if that will work with both new and old systems or if what you are > saying is that the earlier models of the V480 will not work with ANY > Linux or BSD version?? > Well, I can only speak with certainty about FreeBSD but there you won't currently be able to use the on-board NICs of old V480. Marius From owner-freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 16 12:20:06 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A874106566C for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:20:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F5068FC12 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:20:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o0GCK6w8036841 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:20:06 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id o0GCK6WM036837; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:20:06 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:20:06 GMT Message-Id: <201001161220.o0GCK6WM036837@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.org From: dfilter@FreeBSD.ORG (dfilter service) Cc: Subject: Re: sparc64/142102: commit references a PR X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: dfilter service List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:20:06 -0000 The following reply was made to PR sparc64/142102; it has been noted by GNATS. From: dfilter@FreeBSD.ORG (dfilter service) To: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: sparc64/142102: commit references a PR Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:16:53 +0000 (UTC) Author: marius Date: Sat Jan 16 12:16:38 2010 New Revision: 202438 URL: http://svn.freebsd.org/changeset/base/202438 Log: MFC: r201896 As nfsm_srvmtofh_xx() assumes the 4-byte alignment required by XDR ensure the mbuf data is aligned accordingly by calling nfs_realign() in fha_extract_info(). This fix is orthogonal to the problem solved by r199274/r199284 (MFC'ed to stable/8 in r199733). PR: 142102 (second part) Modified: stable/8/sys/nfsserver/nfs.h stable/8/sys/nfsserver/nfs_fha.c stable/8/sys/nfsserver/nfs_srvkrpc.c Directory Properties: stable/8/sys/ (props changed) stable/8/sys/amd64/include/xen/ (props changed) stable/8/sys/cddl/contrib/opensolaris/ (props changed) stable/8/sys/contrib/dev/acpica/ (props changed) stable/8/sys/contrib/pf/ (props changed) stable/8/sys/dev/xen/xenpci/ (props changed) Modified: stable/8/sys/nfsserver/nfs.h ============================================================================== --- stable/8/sys/nfsserver/nfs.h Sat Jan 16 09:52:49 2010 (r202437) +++ stable/8/sys/nfsserver/nfs.h Sat Jan 16 12:16:38 2010 (r202438) @@ -240,6 +240,7 @@ extern int nfs_debug; #endif +void nfs_realign(struct mbuf **); struct mbuf *nfs_rephead(int, struct nfsrv_descript *, int, struct mbuf **, caddr_t *); void nfsm_srvfattr(struct nfsrv_descript *, struct vattr *, Modified: stable/8/sys/nfsserver/nfs_fha.c ============================================================================== --- stable/8/sys/nfsserver/nfs_fha.c Sat Jan 16 09:52:49 2010 (r202437) +++ stable/8/sys/nfsserver/nfs_fha.c Sat Jan 16 12:16:38 2010 (r202438) @@ -158,9 +158,9 @@ SYSUNINIT(nfs_fha, SI_SUB_ROOT_CONF, SI_ static void fha_extract_info(struct svc_req *req, struct fha_info *i) { - struct mbuf *md = req->rq_args; + struct mbuf *md; nfsfh_t fh; - caddr_t dpos = mtod(md, caddr_t); + caddr_t dpos; static u_int64_t random_fh = 0; int error; int v3 = (req->rq_vers == 3); @@ -201,6 +201,10 @@ fha_extract_info(struct svc_req *req, st procnum == NFSPROC_NULL) goto out; + nfs_realign(&req->rq_args); + md = req->rq_args; + dpos = mtod(md, caddr_t); + /* Grab the filehandle. */ error = nfsm_srvmtofh_xx(&fh.fh_generic, v3, &md, &dpos); if (error) Modified: stable/8/sys/nfsserver/nfs_srvkrpc.c ============================================================================== --- stable/8/sys/nfsserver/nfs_srvkrpc.c Sat Jan 16 09:52:49 2010 (r202437) +++ stable/8/sys/nfsserver/nfs_srvkrpc.c Sat Jan 16 12:16:38 2010 (r202438) @@ -266,7 +266,7 @@ nfs_rephead(int siz, struct nfsrv_descri * not occur with NFS/UDP and is supposed to only occassionally occur * with TCP. Use vfs.nfs.realign_count and realign_test to check this. */ -static void +void nfs_realign(struct mbuf **pm) /* XXX COMMON */ { struct mbuf *m; _______________________________________________ svn-src-all@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/svn-src-all To unsubscribe, send any mail to "svn-src-all-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"