From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 15:29:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 679201065674 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:29:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB9A68FC14 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:29:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (p5DCBFE84.dip.t-dialin.net [93.203.254.132]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p5NF9ZmF032330; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:09:36 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p5NF9S2Q000886; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:09:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5NF9IOP007262; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:09:28 GMT (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201106231509.p5NF9IOP007262@fire.js.berklix.net> to: Jerry From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:52:54 EDT." <20110623105254.6c850fb9@scorpio> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:09:18 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mozilla retires Firefox 4 from security support X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: chat@freebsd.org List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:29:26 -0000 to: Jerry cc: chat@freebsd.org bcc: FreeBSD reply-to: chat@freebsd.org > We were, or at least I was under the impression we were, discussion web > browsers. Microsoft and Mozilla both made significant changes in the > browsers before bumping the major version number. That is Not about FreeBSD, a not a question, Off list remit chat does not belong to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Please subscribe to chat@freebsd.org & move topic there ! Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below, not above; Indent with "> "; Cumulative like a play script. Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 21:51:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB21106564A for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:51:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jayton.garnett@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 076AF8FC13 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:51:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so1194604gwb.13 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:51:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=kAfKekBu6ESD58M3MiU8e1Lb9Nu4MIC7NvKdIA1dsBA=; b=pATGmUasHCD3rOK5ZsBdeTZH/D/KeiENTJStmXUnNqZzPDaGtfv5Kpi2COQMJioIa8 NIt/havYv5XZ6LoyVzPqiAmScHfl+PVVJq+DZN+mvFnC1o5vgw/UCzpQRj7hPO8XJP/u JP/TWHqCrukTDQgF7gBMSJ3S08+Qio+LzzYf4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=h2Zib+l1LLZRrLmm8Pmu9NyGpEGY6Y2Zs44hhTTlJtMiSPYAgz5GBb6HWviFS7R/xq FV2766lKIr1MMKiQHGBpA4OqKowsAMH/Am+zd3wEsvYHsSXEz3UvHnLsLhNd2cm6jNbX 6sQl1DA4vIGZ5tZw2wcuph4LoKcA7CFUyXooo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.91.189.7 with SMTP id r7mr2801445agp.142.1308864290835; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.34.7 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:24:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201106231509.p5NF9IOP007262@fire.js.berklix.net> References: <20110623105254.6c850fb9@scorpio> <201106231509.p5NF9IOP007262@fire.js.berklix.net> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:24:50 +0100 Message-ID: From: Jayton Garnett To: chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Mozilla retires Firefox 4 from security support X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:51:22 -0000 FF4 only came out a few months ago and they're retiring it from security support? That's Lame. Really Lame. Oh well, it's a good thing it doesn't effect me because I only use Chrome. Versioning doesn't matter because 99% of the users are up to date within a few days of a new update / version being released. So it's just Chrome to me, not Chrome 12, 13 or 14, it just doesn't matter. Does anyone take FF's rapid release roadmap serious? I know they're packing in lots of new features in, but surely there is a limit? I think IE9's UI is better than FF's, but I still prefer Chrome's. -- regards, Jayton From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 22:27:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B3E1065672 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:27:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fjwcash@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F58A8FC0A for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:27:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxl31 with SMTP id 31so1218305yxl.13 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:27:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=7a6RIl2WKS/8tn2KRYcMk9yaeCPrAltXj5MWY1b7my0=; b=Xzxga+E6MSzhVbO8K+ITvKTk7naesmASBMYiM5NclbVRMiRGHbRYvy7kZYa4fts4kV BZCcDoznb3MAk6bGlBofva1P6Nm95W4JBNtWEqvLu6OXETJflfto+k4KjQTLZRpOwvtB E5rZyFmBEu3LmJAEs05sz3t7odGLg7wkuSCmk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=ZI9Wq4y1gYSz2tzFtdUIG1RnIe4umHPhzun6kOer1oSj1C4R4f9CNMMGhInbZFrshO 7CC6IH88MYlAujG7eX+MhYBXitl2LNTwWueDndkfpLkExY2F0ocdx1YiXhaQCEDcaeZm RzK8rOGxoWInottG8wlo109aQUT3PXZJSsIV0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.91.200.22 with SMTP id c22mr2855693agq.87.1308866451810; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.65.18 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:00:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20110623105254.6c850fb9@scorpio> <201106231509.p5NF9IOP007262@fire.js.berklix.net> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:00:51 -0700 Message-ID: From: Freddie Cash To: Jayton Garnett Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mozilla retires Firefox 4 from security support X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:27:49 -0000 On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Jayton Garnett wrote: > FF4 only came out a few months ago and they're retiring it from security > support? That's Lame. Really Lame. > Oh well, it's a good thing it doesn't effect me because I only use Chrome. > Versioning doesn't matter because 99% of the users are up to date within a > few days of a new update / version being released. So it's just Chrome to > me, not Chrome 12, 13 or 14, it just doesn't matter. > > The goal for Firefox devs appears to be the same: everyone is auto-updated in the background so that everyone is always running the latest version of Firefox (unless they disable that option in the settings). Just like Chrome. In a few years, version numbers for Firefox and Chrome will be equally as useless. Which is going to make it absolute *hell* for OSes that compile their own binaries (like the BSDs and most Linux distros) as they won't/can't support the auto-update feature. Which means we're going to have users with all kinds of different versions for Firefox/Chrome. Although, maybe this will force web developers to start checking for *features* and not just blindly checking version numbers in User-Agent strings. If that happens, then I'm all for this forced-upgrade nonsense. :) > Does anyone take FF's rapid release roadmap serious? I know they're packing > in lots of new features in, but surely there is a limit? > I think IE9's UI is better than FF's, but I still prefer Chrome's. > > Chrome, IE9, and FF4+ all basically have the same UI now: - 1 row for tabs with 1 icon for accessing "menus" - 1 row for toolbar icons and address bar - dynamically hidden "status bar" The only differences are that IE uses a tonne of extra space at the top of the window for the Aero nonsense, Chrome removes the title bar, and Firefox has a smaller title bar. -- Freddie Cash fjwcash@gmail.com