From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 9 08:56:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08AFE106564A; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 08:56:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from smtp6-g21.free.fr (unknown [IPv6:2a01:e0c:1:1599::15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DABE98FC08; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 08:56:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emphyrio.blackend.org (unknown [88.179.1.53]) by smtp6-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40100823AD; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 10:56:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from emphyrio.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by emphyrio.blackend.org (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p998wXeA002076; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 10:58:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@emphyrio.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by emphyrio.blackend.org (8.14.5/8.14.4/Submit) id p998wXma002075; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 10:58:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 10:58:33 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20111009085833.GA2006@emphyrio.blackend.org> References: <20111004195317.GA2003@emphyrio.blackend.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20111004195317.GA2003@emphyrio.blackend.org> X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: doceng@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: retag of the doc tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 08:56:55 -0000 --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 09:53:17PM +0200, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > Hello, >=20 > Since the 9.0-R schedule is slipping I plan to retag the doc tree > on 8 October, 2011 and then commit updated doc ports. > If you have something important to add (I think about docs related to > 9.0-R installation for example) please go for it. > A new bsdintaller chapter has been added and ports features freeze is scheduled for the 17th. So I'm going to push the retag to the 14 October, 2011 [*] this will let (I hope) some time to translators to update their docs and time for the others to fix what need to be corrected in that new chapter. [*]: Why 14th and not 17th, just cause after the tag the docs ports have to be rebuilded, committed and the distfiles propagated. --=20 Marc --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFOkWI3zQ9RwE+OdOgRApsdAKCqP/EQsqknCdM9upc7CZbx6RAtPgCdGG9A X/1M2rlbVA7yTM6SM6N+Ojk= =EULV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 9 11:59:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48BDD106566B; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 11:59:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gavin.atkinson@ury.york.ac.uk) Received: from ixe-mta-27.emailfiltering.com (ixe-mta-27-tx.emailfiltering.com [194.116.199.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B3E98FC08; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 11:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gw5.york.ac.uk ([144.32.129.29]) by ixe-mta-27.emailfiltering.com with emfmta (version 4.8.3.54) by TLS id 1319759538 for dougb@FreeBSD.org; cfc46d22748a0c7d; Sun, 09 Oct 2011 12:59:10 +0100 Received: from ury.york.ac.uk ([144.32.108.81]:58169) by mail-gw5.york.ac.uk with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCs2A-0005Rl-4E; Sun, 09 Oct 2011 12:59:10 +0100 Received: from gavin (helo=localhost) by ury.york.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RCs29-0004x8-V6; Sun, 09 Oct 2011 12:59:09 +0100 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 12:59:09 +0100 (BST) From: Gavin Atkinson X-X-Sender: gavin@ury.york.ac.uk To: Doug Barton In-Reply-To: <4E8F8873.4030006@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: References: <20111007141312.GJ26743@acme.spoerlein.net> <4E8F0AA2.3020704@freebsd.org> <4E8F8873.4030006@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LNX 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Cc: doceng@FreeBSD.org, Rene Ladan , doc@FreeBSD.org, =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Ulrich_Sp=F6rlein?= Subject: Re: Conversion to SVN X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 11:59:13 -0000 On Fri, 7 Oct 2011, Doug Barton wrote: > On 10/07/2011 14:15, Gavin Atkinson wrote: > > On Fri, 7 Oct 2011, Rene Ladan wrote: > >> Op 07-10-2011 16:13, Ulrich Sp?rlein schreef: > >>> it looks like I'm not the only one thinking about moving the doc/www > >>> repos from CVS to SVN, and other people actually have not only thought > >>> about it but already played around with conversions. > >>> > >>> gavin did some preliminary conversions and it turns out that we end up > >>> with ~50k revisions and about 650MB of changes (IIRC). There are also > >>> lots of weird branches, so perhaps we could size that down a bit. > >>> > >>> What I, personally, would like to see is us using the same svn repo as > >>> src. That means we would have to stop svn.freebsd.org for the > >>> conversion, turn off email sending, dump 50k revisions into it (under > >>> /doc and /www perhaps? where should branches/tags end up?), then turn > >>> everything back on. > > > > The more I think about this, the less I like the idea. I really don't > > like the idea of having revision numbers which no longer increase with > > commit date (i.e. having revisions 1-250,000 correspond to the existing > > src tree, 250,000-300,000 being the imported doc tree, and then the > > combined repo being 300,001 onwards). > > I'm sorry, I don't understand your concern here. The commit ids > increment monotonically in svn, and the number is global to the whole > repo. Given that the individual files won't be increasing to a > deterministic value, I don't understand why we care what the actual > number is. I don't like the idea that r226166 can be a change from 10 minutes ago, and r226167 would be a change from 1994. > I'm still not sure I understand this, sorry. :) > > > Combining doc and www more closely, however, I do see the benefit of. > > However, currently we don't (and have no need to) branch the www tree with > > each release. If we combine them, we would be - even though we probably > > don't wish to. > > I think we should give more thought to the structure. I'd like to see > one doc/ directory, with what's in doc and www now both. But we may need > to think harder about what parts we may want to branch, and what parts > we don't. Given that moving directories is a cheap process in SVN, I'm tending towards feeling that rearranging the repo can be done after the conversion, and not necessarily during. > > It may actually be easier, as all the infrastructure from the src repo can > > possibly be reused easily. Combining them may be harder as more work > > would presumably need to be done on sorting out ACLs for src and doc > > committers, etc? > > Effectively the administrative separation that we have now is on the > honor system, and it's worked well ever since we branched the original > CVS repository. I don't see any reason why that wouldn't continue to work. Indeed, but we still maintain a nominal distinction between src, doc and ports committers, meaning that when somebody commits to a different repository this gets flagged in the commit message. I'm working on the assumption that the distinction between different commit bits will remain. Gavin From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 9 14:06:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CD09106566B; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 14:06:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [87.229.73.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 072AE8FC13; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 14:06:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.mypc.hu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91A8514E6217; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 15:58:02 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at server.mypc.hu Received: from server.mypc.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 4xsvmSPx_r0Z; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 15:58:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.106] (catv-80-98-232-12.catv.broadband.hu [80.98.232.12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CBDF914E61E8; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 15:57:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4E91A867.9060905@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 15:57:59 +0200 From: Gabor Kovesdan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:10.0a1) Gecko/20111004 Thunderbird/10.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Fonvieille References: <20111007141312.GJ26743@acme.spoerlein.net> <4E8F0AA2.3020704@freebsd.org> <4E8F8873.4030006@FreeBSD.org> <20111008090351.GA1960@emphyrio.blackend.org> In-Reply-To: <20111008090351.GA1960@emphyrio.blackend.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Doug Barton , doc@FreeBSD.org, doceng@FreeBSD.org, Gavin Atkinson , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ulrich_Sp=F6rlein?= , Rene Ladan Subject: Re: Conversion to SVN X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 14:06:08 -0000 On 2011.10.08. 11:03, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > And before doing the change, some things should > be done: complete separation between release docs and doc/ Or maybe complete integration? Once we are in SVN we can branch release docs even if we do not branch the rest to make it easy for translators. What do you think? Gabor From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 9 14:11:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20ECF106566B; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 14:11:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [87.229.73.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA008FC12; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 14:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.mypc.hu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8566C14E6214; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 15:52:15 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at server.mypc.hu Received: from server.mypc.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id kqNL2mfp2jvf; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 15:52:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.106] (catv-80-98-232-12.catv.broadband.hu [80.98.232.12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CBB6A14E61E8; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 15:52:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4E91A704.4090001@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 15:52:04 +0200 From: Gabor Kovesdan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:10.0a1) Gecko/20111004 Thunderbird/10.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glen Barber References: <20111007141312.GJ26743@acme.spoerlein.net> <4E8F1BE1.7080003@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4E8F1BE1.7080003@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: doceng@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ulrich_Sp=F6rlein?= Subject: Re: Conversion to SVN X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 14:11:09 -0000 On 2011.10.07. 17:33, Glen Barber wrote: > A bigger reason I think this would be a good thing is actually a rather > obvious one: those of us (doc folks) tracking -CURRENT can document > things as they happen. More specifically, we would not have to wait > until we are nearing a release to begin updating documentation that is > relevant to that release. This way, doc/www HEAD (well, not necessarily > www for this case...) would be as up-to-date as possible with -CURRENT, > which I believe will benefit all of us (especially our users) when > release time is near. Yes, this is a very strong reason and is very demanded, imho. Besides, release notes are doc-related stuff and are in src. This means that doc infrastructure code is scattered through repositories. Gabor From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 9 15:32:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A063106564A; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 15:32:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from smtp6-g21.free.fr (unknown [IPv6:2a01:e0c:1:1599::15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE1B8FC0C; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 15:32:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emphyrio.blackend.org (unknown [88.179.1.53]) by smtp6-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E746A82375; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 17:31:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from emphyrio.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by emphyrio.blackend.org (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p99FXhZc003681; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 17:33:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@emphyrio.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by emphyrio.blackend.org (8.14.5/8.14.4/Submit) id p99FXhSf003680; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 17:33:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 17:33:43 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Gabor Kovesdan Message-ID: <20111009153343.GC2006@emphyrio.blackend.org> References: <20111007141312.GJ26743@acme.spoerlein.net> <4E8F0AA2.3020704@freebsd.org> <4E8F8873.4030006@FreeBSD.org> <20111008090351.GA1960@emphyrio.blackend.org> <4E91A867.9060905@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E91A867.9060905@FreeBSD.org> X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Doug Barton , doc@FreeBSD.org, doceng@FreeBSD.org, Gavin Atkinson , Ulrich =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sp=F6rlein?= , Rene Ladan Subject: Re: Conversion to SVN X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 15:32:09 -0000 On Sun, Oct 09, 2011 at 03:57:59PM +0200, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: > On 2011.10.08. 11:03, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > > And before doing the change, some things should > > be done: complete separation between release docs and doc/ > Or maybe complete integration? Once we are in SVN we can branch release > docs even if we do not branch the rest to make it easy for translators. > What do you think? > It's obvious that your point of view can also be defended, but the aim from src point of view is to be able to build a release without the need of a doc tree. -- Marc From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 9 16:37:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C02FF106566B; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 16:37:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from 172-17-198-245.globalsuite.net (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 429B715119C; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 16:37:06 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4E91CDB1.3070304@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 09:37:05 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://SupersetSolutions.com/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111001 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Fonvieille References: <20111007141312.GJ26743@acme.spoerlein.net> <4E8F0AA2.3020704@freebsd.org> <4E8F8873.4030006@FreeBSD.org> <20111008090351.GA1960@emphyrio.blackend.org> <4E91A867.9060905@FreeBSD.org> <20111009153343.GC2006@emphyrio.blackend.org> In-Reply-To: <20111009153343.GC2006@emphyrio.blackend.org> X-Enigmail-Version: undefined OpenPGP: id=1A1ABC84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org, doceng@FreeBSD.org, Gavin Atkinson , Gabor Kovesdan , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?n?= , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ulrich_Sp=F6rlei?=, Rene Ladan Subject: Re: Conversion to SVN X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 16:37:06 -0000 On 10/09/2011 08:33, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > On Sun, Oct 09, 2011 at 03:57:59PM +0200, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: >> On 2011.10.08. 11:03, Marc Fonvieille wrote: >>> And before doing the change, some things should >>> be done: complete separation between release docs and doc/ >> Or maybe complete integration? Once we are in SVN we can branch release >> docs even if we do not branch the rest to make it easy for translators. >> What do you think? >> > > It's obvious that your point of view can also be defended, but the aim > from src point of view is to be able to build a release without the need > of a doc tree. If there isn't already a knob to avoid building the docs in the new release building system (like there was in the old one) then there certainly should be. Meanwhile, one of the virtues of having doc and src in the same svn repo is the ability to have one canonical version of the documentation. -- Nothin' ever doesn't change, but nothin' changes much. -- OK Go Breadth of IT experience, and depth of knowledge in the DNS. Yours for the right price. :) http://SupersetSolutions.com/ From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 9 16:40:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 169E51065676; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 16:40:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from smtp6-g21.free.fr (unknown [IPv6:2a01:e0c:1:1599::15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1A808FC1B; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 16:40:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emphyrio.blackend.org (unknown [88.179.1.53]) by smtp6-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BDE382253; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 18:40:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from emphyrio.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by emphyrio.blackend.org (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p99Gfs9q004191; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 18:41:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@emphyrio.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by emphyrio.blackend.org (8.14.5/8.14.4/Submit) id p99GfsXg004190; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 18:41:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 18:41:54 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Doug Barton Message-ID: <20111009164154.GA3819@emphyrio.blackend.org> References: <20111007141312.GJ26743@acme.spoerlein.net> <4E8F0AA2.3020704@freebsd.org> <4E8F8873.4030006@FreeBSD.org> <20111008090351.GA1960@emphyrio.blackend.org> <4E91A867.9060905@FreeBSD.org> <20111009153343.GC2006@emphyrio.blackend.org> <4E91CDB1.3070304@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E91CDB1.3070304@FreeBSD.org> X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org, doceng@FreeBSD.org, Gavin Atkinson , Gabor Kovesdan , Ulrich =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sp=F6rlein?= , Rene Ladan Subject: Re: Conversion to SVN X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 16:40:19 -0000 On Sun, Oct 09, 2011 at 09:37:05AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: > On 10/09/2011 08:33, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 09, 2011 at 03:57:59PM +0200, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: > >> On 2011.10.08. 11:03, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > >>> And before doing the change, some things should > >>> be done: complete separation between release docs and doc/ > >> Or maybe complete integration? Once we are in SVN we can branch release > >> docs even if we do not branch the rest to make it easy for translators. > >> What do you think? > >> > > > > It's obvious that your point of view can also be defended, but the aim > > from src point of view is to be able to build a release without the need > > of a doc tree. > > If there isn't already a knob to avoid building the docs in the new > release building system (like there was in the old one) then there > certainly should be. > By "release" I meant "release bits + its release docs". > Meanwhile, one of the virtues of having doc and src in the same svn repo > is the ability to have one canonical version of the documentation. > -- Marc From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 9 16:42:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A86DB1065672; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 16:42:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from 172-17-198-245.globalsuite.net (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E21B81511FF; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 16:42:28 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4E91CEF4.9090600@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 09:42:28 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://SupersetSolutions.com/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111001 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Fonvieille References: <20111007141312.GJ26743@acme.spoerlein.net> <4E8F0AA2.3020704@freebsd.org> <4E8F8873.4030006@FreeBSD.org> <20111008090351.GA1960@emphyrio.blackend.org> <4E91A867.9060905@FreeBSD.org> <20111009153343.GC2006@emphyrio.blackend.org> <4E91CDB1.3070304@FreeBSD.org> <20111009164154.GA3819@emphyrio.blackend.org> In-Reply-To: <20111009164154.GA3819@emphyrio.blackend.org> X-Enigmail-Version: undefined OpenPGP: id=1A1ABC84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org, doceng@FreeBSD.org, Gavin Atkinson , Gabor Kovesdan , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?n?= , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ulrich_Sp=F6rlei?=, Rene Ladan Subject: Re: Conversion to SVN X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 16:42:47 -0000 On 10/09/2011 09:41, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > On Sun, Oct 09, 2011 at 09:37:05AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: >> On 10/09/2011 08:33, Marc Fonvieille wrote: >>> On Sun, Oct 09, 2011 at 03:57:59PM +0200, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: >>>> On 2011.10.08. 11:03, Marc Fonvieille wrote: >>>>> And before doing the change, some things should >>>>> be done: complete separation between release docs and doc/ >>>> Or maybe complete integration? Once we are in SVN we can branch release >>>> docs even if we do not branch the rest to make it easy for translators. >>>> What do you think? >>>> >>> >>> It's obvious that your point of view can also be defended, but the aim >>> from src point of view is to be able to build a release without the need >>> of a doc tree. >> >> If there isn't already a knob to avoid building the docs in the new >> release building system (like there was in the old one) then there >> certainly should be. >> > > By "release" I meant "release bits + its release docs". Yes, I understood what you meant. What I'm saying is that what you see as a bug, I see as a feature. >> Meanwhile, one of the virtues of having doc and src in the same svn repo >> is the ability to have one canonical version of the documentation. >> > > -- Nothin' ever doesn't change, but nothin' changes much. -- OK Go Breadth of IT experience, and depth of knowledge in the DNS. Yours for the right price. :) http://SupersetSolutions.com/ From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 9 16:48:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3150B106564A; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 16:48:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from 172-17-198-245.globalsuite.net (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA19153A93; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 16:48:53 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4E91D074.4080102@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 09:48:52 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://SupersetSolutions.com/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111001 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gavin Atkinson References: <20111007141312.GJ26743@acme.spoerlein.net> <4E8F0AA2.3020704@freebsd.org> <4E8F8873.4030006@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: undefined OpenPGP: id=1A1ABC84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: doceng@FreeBSD.org, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ulrich_Sp=F6rlein?= , doc@FreeBSD.org, Rene Ladan Subject: Re: Conversion to SVN X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 16:48:54 -0000 On 10/09/2011 04:59, Gavin Atkinson wrote: > > > On Fri, 7 Oct 2011, Doug Barton wrote: > >> On 10/07/2011 14:15, Gavin Atkinson wrote: >>> On Fri, 7 Oct 2011, Rene Ladan wrote: >>>> Op 07-10-2011 16:13, Ulrich Sp?rlein schreef: >>>>> it looks like I'm not the only one thinking about moving the doc/www >>>>> repos from CVS to SVN, and other people actually have not only thought >>>>> about it but already played around with conversions. >>>>> >>>>> gavin did some preliminary conversions and it turns out that we end up >>>>> with ~50k revisions and about 650MB of changes (IIRC). There are also >>>>> lots of weird branches, so perhaps we could size that down a bit. >>>>> >>>>> What I, personally, would like to see is us using the same svn repo as >>>>> src. That means we would have to stop svn.freebsd.org for the >>>>> conversion, turn off email sending, dump 50k revisions into it (under >>>>> /doc and /www perhaps? where should branches/tags end up?), then turn >>>>> everything back on. >>> >>> The more I think about this, the less I like the idea. I really don't >>> like the idea of having revision numbers which no longer increase with >>> commit date (i.e. having revisions 1-250,000 correspond to the existing >>> src tree, 250,000-300,000 being the imported doc tree, and then the >>> combined repo being 300,001 onwards). >> >> I'm sorry, I don't understand your concern here. The commit ids >> increment monotonically in svn, and the number is global to the whole >> repo. Given that the individual files won't be increasing to a >> deterministic value, I don't understand why we care what the actual >> number is. > > I don't like the idea that r226166 can be a change from 10 minutes ago, > and r226167 would be a change from 1994. Well that couldn't happen because the numbers increase monotonically over the whole repo, but even assuming that you meant the reverse I still don't understand why you care what the number is. Let's assume that we start a new repo for doc. What's going to happen is that the cvs -> svn converter will take the first set of files added to the repo and they will be revision 1. Then the next set will be revision 2, etc. What's incredibly likely to happen is that for any given file your new change is going to be revision NNN and the immediately-previous change is going to be revision XXX, where the values could be just about anything, say NNN=659 and XXX=237. So what does it matter if the numbers are 2 or 3 or 4 digit "random" numbers, or if the numbers are 6 digits? When I first started working with svn for src/ I was taken aback by this, but once you get used to it you realize that it really isn't a problem. >>> Combining doc and www more closely, however, I do see the benefit of. >>> However, currently we don't (and have no need to) branch the www tree with >>> each release. If we combine them, we would be - even though we probably >>> don't wish to. >> >> I think we should give more thought to the structure. I'd like to see >> one doc/ directory, with what's in doc and www now both. But we may need >> to think harder about what parts we may want to branch, and what parts >> we don't. > > Given that moving directories is a cheap process in SVN, I'm tending > towards feeling that rearranging the repo can be done after the > conversion, and not necessarily during. I sort of agree, but I think giving some thought to it now will save a lot of headache later. Certainly we shouldn't be thinking of doing the conversion prior to 9.0-RELEASE, so we have a couple months at least. >>> It may actually be easier, as all the infrastructure from the src repo can >>> possibly be reused easily. Combining them may be harder as more work >>> would presumably need to be done on sorting out ACLs for src and doc >>> committers, etc? >> >> Effectively the administrative separation that we have now is on the >> honor system, and it's worked well ever since we branched the original >> CVS repository. I don't see any reason why that wouldn't continue to work. > > Indeed, but we still maintain a nominal distinction between src, doc and > ports committers, meaning that when somebody commits to a different > repository this gets flagged in the commit message. I'm working on the > assumption that the distinction between different commit bits will remain. So am I. Doug -- Nothin' ever doesn't change, but nothin' changes much. -- OK Go Breadth of IT experience, and depth of knowledge in the DNS. Yours for the right price. :) http://SupersetSolutions.com/ From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 9 20:01:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3457E1065672; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 20:01:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [87.229.73.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87188FC16; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 20:01:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.mypc.hu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9BB14E621B; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 22:01:09 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at server.mypc.hu Received: from server.mypc.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id piKkwyMs3AKL; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 22:01:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.106] (catv-80-98-232-12.catv.broadband.hu [80.98.232.12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CD27714E61E8; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 22:01:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4E91FD81.8010009@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 22:01:05 +0200 From: Gabor Kovesdan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:10.0a1) Gecko/20111004 Thunderbird/10.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Fonvieille References: <20111007141312.GJ26743@acme.spoerlein.net> <4E8F0AA2.3020704@freebsd.org> <4E8F8873.4030006@FreeBSD.org> <20111008090351.GA1960@emphyrio.blackend.org> <4E91A867.9060905@FreeBSD.org> <20111009153343.GC2006@emphyrio.blackend.org> In-Reply-To: <20111009153343.GC2006@emphyrio.blackend.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Doug Barton , doc@FreeBSD.org, doceng@FreeBSD.org, Gavin Atkinson , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ulrich_Sp=F6rlein?= , Rene Ladan Subject: Re: Conversion to SVN X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 20:01:11 -0000 On 2011.10.09. 17:33, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > On Sun, Oct 09, 2011 at 03:57:59PM +0200, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: >> On 2011.10.08. 11:03, Marc Fonvieille wrote: >>> And before doing the change, some things should >>> be done: complete separation between release docs and doc/ >> Or maybe complete integration? Once we are in SVN we can branch release >> docs even if we do not branch the rest to make it easy for translators. >> What do you think? >> > It's obvious that your point of view can also be defended, but the aim > from src point of view is to be able to build a release without the need > of a doc tree. Yes, I meant moving the release docs entirely to the doc repo. As far as I know, the main reason it is in src is that the src repo has had different release branches and the doc repo has been unbranched. If we go to SVN, we could branch at least the release docs there and it would not be necessary any more to keep the release docs in the src repo. That solves all issues that I'm aware of, i.e. branching, building releases without a doc tree, avoid scattering infrastructure code. Do we need anything else? Gabor From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 10 04:07:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E8AE106566C; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 04:07:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kaduk@mit.edu) Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-2.mit.edu (DMZ-MAILSEC-SCANNER-2.MIT.EDU [18.9.25.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D9F8FC12; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 04:07:24 +0000 (UTC) X-AuditID: 1209190d-b7f726d0000008d1-34-4e926f7be567 Received: from mailhub-auth-3.mit.edu ( [18.9.21.43]) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-2.mit.edu (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id E3.F1.02257.B7F629E4; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 00:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.103]) by mailhub-auth-3.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id p9A47NQT025289; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 00:07:23 -0400 Received: from multics.mit.edu (MULTICS.MIT.EDU [18.187.1.73]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id p9A47KcU008703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 10 Oct 2011 00:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kaduk@localhost) by multics.mit.edu (8.12.9.20060308) id p9A47JfC004167; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 00:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 00:07:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Benjamin Kaduk To: Doug Barton In-Reply-To: <4E91D074.4080102@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: References: <20111007141312.GJ26743@acme.spoerlein.net> <4E8F0AA2.3020704@freebsd.org> <4E8F8873.4030006@FreeBSD.org> <4E91D074.4080102@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (GSO 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrEIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUixCmqrVudP8nPYMI1eYupH3eyWry+9I3V 4uvtnUwWe3etYHVg8ZjxaT5LAGMUl01Kak5mWWqRvl0CV0bv/XNsBUfFK859WsbSwPhcqIuR k0NCwERi6/1L7BC2mMSFe+vZuhi5OIQE9jFKzO89ywThbGCUmLmvlRHCOcAksfjxRLAWIYEG Rond66NBbBYBbYk//5czgthsAioSM99sBBrFwSEioCxx5aEbSJhZIF7ifP83ZhBbWEBOYnv7 BRYQmxOotWleD1icV8BeomXJKWaIXf8YJabuWMcEkhAV0JFYvX8KC0SRoMTJmU9YIIZaSpz7 c51tAqPgLCSpWUhSCxiZVjHKpuRW6eYmZuYUpybrFicn5uWlFuka6eVmluilppRuYgQHrSTv DsZ3B5UOMQpwMCrx8BpaTfITYk0sK67MPcQoycGkJMq7MRcoxJeUn1KZkVicEV9UmpNafIhR goNZSYSXJwYox5uSWFmVWpQPk5LmYFES5y3c4eAnJJCeWJKanZpakFoEk5Xh4FCS4GUHRqeQ YFFqempFWmZOCUKaiYMTZDgP0PB/eSDDiwsSc4sz0yHypxgVpcR5WUGaBUASGaV5cL2wpPKK URzoFWHeXyDtPMCEBNf9CmgwE9Dg08b9IINLEhFSUg2MqzcHRs4Im2zb8ubcnZM7ds3p0u/d pyZgcvbqwZsSOZc/fSu4dI+hqb+IMzDi/v/zOg5P4o+ybM6//MgqIcdu0VnXCzuDnmV+j7T6 3hKbaKmnJnd45wSB5Tt4biryJbv+UegQ/inpc3cG2+UMr3mde9os0hXVqhyMK12vnk8/Unt4 1USlf7ONlFiKMxINtZiLihMB6QxorAUDAAA= Cc: Rene Ladan , Gavin Atkinson , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Conversion to SVN X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 04:07:25 -0000 On Sun, 9 Oct 2011, Doug Barton wrote: > On 10/09/2011 04:59, Gavin Atkinson wrote: >> >> >> On Fri, 7 Oct 2011, Doug Barton wrote: >> >>> On 10/07/2011 14:15, Gavin Atkinson wrote: >>>> On Fri, 7 Oct 2011, Rene Ladan wrote: >>>>> Op 07-10-2011 16:13, Ulrich Sp?rlein schreef: >>>>>> it looks like I'm not the only one thinking about moving the doc/www >>>>>> repos from CVS to SVN, and other people actually have not only thought >>>>>> about it but already played around with conversions. >>>>>> >>>>>> gavin did some preliminary conversions and it turns out that we end up >>>>>> with ~50k revisions and about 650MB of changes (IIRC). There are also >>>>>> lots of weird branches, so perhaps we could size that down a bit. >>>>>> >>>>>> What I, personally, would like to see is us using the same svn repo as >>>>>> src. That means we would have to stop svn.freebsd.org for the >>>>>> conversion, turn off email sending, dump 50k revisions into it (under >>>>>> /doc and /www perhaps? where should branches/tags end up?), then turn >>>>>> everything back on. >>>> >>>> The more I think about this, the less I like the idea. I really don't >>>> like the idea of having revision numbers which no longer increase with >>>> commit date (i.e. having revisions 1-250,000 correspond to the existing >>>> src tree, 250,000-300,000 being the imported doc tree, and then the >>>> combined repo being 300,001 onwards). >>> >>> I'm sorry, I don't understand your concern here. The commit ids >>> increment monotonically in svn, and the number is global to the whole >>> repo. Given that the individual files won't be increasing to a >>> deterministic value, I don't understand why we care what the actual >>> number is. >> >> I don't like the idea that r226166 can be a change from 10 minutes ago, >> and r226167 would be a change from 1994. > > Well that couldn't happen because the numbers increase monotonically > over the whole repo, but even assuming that you meant the reverse I > still don't understand why you care what the number is. > > Let's assume that we start a new repo for doc. What's going to happen is > that the cvs -> svn converter will take the first set of files added to > the repo and they will be revision 1. Then the next set will be revision > 2, etc. What's incredibly likely to happen is that for any given file > your new change is going to be revision NNN and the immediately-previous > change is going to be revision XXX, where the values could be just about > anything, say NNN=659 and XXX=237. So what does it matter if the numbers > are 2 or 3 or 4 digit "random" numbers, or if the numbers are 6 digits? head/ (for src) is currently r226182 or thereabouts ... if we import doc+www on top of that, that would mean either replaying all of the doc+www history on top of that (so that r226183 is now that doc commit from 1994), or renumbering src revisions. The latter seems almost unbearably painful, to me ... -Ben Kaduk From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 10 11:06:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E82C1065788 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:06:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0FBB8FC0A for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:06:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9AB67g6031593 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:06:07 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p9AB676o031591 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:06:07 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:06:07 GMT Message-Id: <201110101106.p9AB676o031591@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: gnats set sender to owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Cc: Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:06:08 -0000 (Note: an HTML version of this report is available at http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr-summary.cgi?category=doc .) The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o docs/161263 doc ldap handbook is incorrect o docs/161057 doc [handbook] Error in section 18.17.4 of the handbook o docs/160698 doc Remove outdated FreeBSD Jumpstart guide o docs/160696 doc style(9) should be mentioned in the devs' handbook o docs/160491 doc [patch] reaper of the dead: remove ancient FAQ entries o docs/160447 doc [handbook] Developer's Handbook contains some outdated o docs/160446 doc [handbook] Handbook sound setup seems outdated o docs/160445 doc [handbook] Handbook does not mention ACL o docs/160399 doc Man page for re(4) missing jumbo frames info o docs/160269 doc [patch] Handbook wireless section: sand off some rough o docs/159898 doc [patch] libusb.3 whitespace, markup, grammar fixes o docs/159897 doc [handbook] [patch] improve HAST section of Handbook o docs/159854 doc [patch] grammar updates for carp.4 o docs/159551 doc [patch] ports(7) makes no mention of LOCALBASE o docs/159307 doc [patch] lpd smm chapter unconditionally installed o docs/159298 doc [handbook] document Konqueror with Webkit support to i o docs/158813 doc [patch] grammar updates for jme(4) o docs/158388 doc Incorrect documentation of LOCAL_SCRIPT in release(7) o docs/158387 doc The tree(3) man should mention the RB_FOREACH_SAFE() A o docs/158378 doc cpio/bsdcpio(1) man page does not document -0 and --nu o docs/157908 doc [handbook] Description of post-install should include o docs/157698 doc [patch] gpart(8) man page contains old/incorrect size o docs/157453 doc [patch] document 16-fib cap in setfib.2 o docs/157452 doc [patch] grammar and style nits in ipfw.8 o docs/157337 doc [handbook] [patch] Indentation changes to network serv o docs/157316 doc [patch] update devstat(9) man page o docs/157234 doc [patch] nullfs(5): //proc/curproc/file returns "unknow o docs/157049 doc FreeBSD Handbook: Chapter 14 (Security) Inaccuracy o docs/156955 doc bug in share/man/man2/setsockopt.2 a docs/156920 doc isspecial(3) is not helpful o docs/156815 doc chmod(1): manpage should describe that chmod kicks +t o docs/156689 doc stf(4) output-only documentation gives bad configurati f docs/156187 doc [handbook] [patch] Add bsnmpd to handbook o docs/156081 doc troff falls with troff.core with UTF-8 man with incorr o docs/155989 doc [patch] Fix offset in boot.config(5) o docs/155982 doc [handbook] reaper of the dead: remove reference to flo o docs/155773 doc dialog(1): dialog manpages not updated o docs/155149 doc [patch] don't encourage using xorg.conf outside of PRE o docs/154838 doc update cvs-tags information on releng_* to reflect sup o docs/154502 doc xdm authorization failure when used with E17 window ma o docs/153958 doc ksu man-page documented, but not installed o docs/153738 doc [patch] Docuement requirement to alter some sysctls wh a docs/153012 doc [patch] iostat(8) requires an argument to -c option o docs/151752 doc pw.conf(5) doesn't define format for file clearly o docs/151367 doc [patch] Update for puc.4 man page o docs/150991 doc [patch] Install upgtfw using pkg_add as advised in upg o docs/150917 doc [patch] icmp.4, wrong description of icmplim and icmpl o docs/150877 doc ambiguity in newsyslog(8) man page about zfs with comp o docs/150365 doc [make.conf] [patch] remove BDECFLAGS from make.conf(5) o docs/150255 doc dtrace description should mention makeoptions DEBUG=-g o docs/150219 doc zfs(8) manual page misses jail/unjail o docs/149574 doc [patch] update mi_switch(9) man page o docs/149522 doc Russian network article: incorrect translation about n o docs/149051 doc [request] No document for clang or clang++ o docs/149047 doc [patch] tcsh(1) bears no mention of brace expansion in o docs/148987 doc [patch] {MD[245]|SHA_|SHA1_|SHA256_}{End|File|FileChun o docs/148984 doc [handbook] Mistake in section 16.15.4 of the handbook o docs/148680 doc [sysctl][patch] Document some sys/kern sysctls o docs/148071 doc Failover mode between wired and wireless interfaces o docs/147995 doc elf.5 man page has has missing reference o docs/146958 doc bad link to "XaQti XMAC II datasheet" in sk(4) manual o docs/146521 doc [handbook] Update IPv6 system handbook section to ment o docs/145719 doc [patch] 7.3 relnotes erroneously describes new getpage o docs/145699 doc hexdump(1) mutes all format qualifier output following o docs/145644 doc Add artical about creating manpage from scratch o docs/145069 doc Dialup firewalling with FreeBSD article out dated. o docs/145067 doc Remove all reference to floppy installs o docs/145066 doc Update for new uart dev names for serial port. s docs/144818 doc all mailinglist archives dated 19970101 contain traili o docs/144630 doc [patch] domainname(1) manpage contains old information o docs/144537 doc Missing _mdconfig_list and _mdconfig2_list explanation o docs/144515 doc [handbook] Expand handbook Table of contents o docs/144488 doc share/examples/etc/make.conf: contains dangerous examp o docs/144408 doc [patch] update makefs(8) (remove device option) o docs/143850 doc procfs(5) manpage for status > controlling terminal is o docs/143416 doc [handbook] IPFW handbook page issues o docs/143408 doc man filedesc(9) is missing o docs/142168 doc [patch] ld(1): ldd(1) not mentioned in ld(1) manpage o docs/141032 doc misleading documentation for rtadvd.conf(5) raflags se s docs/140847 doc [request] add documentation on ECMP and new route args p docs/140457 doc [patch] Grammar fix for isspace(3) o docs/140444 doc [patch] New Traditional Chinese translation of custom- o docs/140375 doc [UPDATE] Updated zh_TW.Big5/articles/nanobsd o docs/139336 doc [request] ZFS documentation suggestion o docs/139165 doc gssapi.3 man page out of sync with between crypto and o docs/139018 doc translation of submitting.sgml from docproj/submitting o docs/138845 doc Exceeding kern.ipc.maxpipekva refers to tuning(7) whic o docs/138663 doc system(3) man page confuses users about "return value o docs/138485 doc bpf(4) and ip(4) man pages missing important corner ca o docs/136712 doc [handbook] [patch] draft new section on gmirror per pa o docs/136666 doc [handbook] Configure serial port for remote kernel deb o docs/136035 doc ftpchroot(5) omits an important option o docs/135516 doc [patch] pax(1) manual not mentioning chflags unawarene o docs/135475 doc [patch] jot(1) manpage and behaviour differ o docs/134123 doc The RUNQUEUE(9) man page is out of date o docs/132839 doc [patch] Fix example script in ldap-auth article o docs/132718 doc [handbook] Information about adding a new mirror is ou o docs/132260 doc dhcpd(8) pid not stored in documented location o docs/132190 doc EPERM explanation for send(2), sendto(2), and sendmsg( o docs/131918 doc [patch] Fixes for the BPF(4) man page o docs/131626 doc [patch] dump(8) "recommended" cache option confusing o docs/130238 doc nfs.lockd man page doesn't mention NFSLOCKD option or o docs/129671 doc New TCP chapter for Developer's Handbook (from rwatson o docs/129464 doc using packages system o docs/129095 doc ipfw(8): Can not check that packet originating/destine s docs/128356 doc [request] add Firefox plugin for FreeBSD manual pages o docs/127908 doc [patch] readdir(3) error documentation s docs/127844 doc Example code skeleton_capture_n.c in meteor(4) manpage o docs/126590 doc [patch] Write routine called forever in Sample Echo Ps o docs/126484 doc libc function res-zonscut2 is not documented o docs/125921 doc lpd(8) talks about blocks in minfree while it is KB in f docs/122052 doc minor update on handbook section 20.7.1 o docs/121952 doc Handbook chapter on Network Address Translation wrong o docs/121585 doc [handbook] Wrong multicast specification s docs/121541 doc [request] no man pages for wlan_scan_ap o docs/121312 doc RELNOTES_LANG breaks release if not en_US.ISO8859-1 o docs/121173 doc [patch] mq_getattr(2): mq_flags mistakenly described a s docs/120917 doc [request]: Man pages mising for thr_xxx syscalls o docs/120539 doc Inconsistent ipfw's man page o docs/120125 doc [patch] Installing FreeBSD 7.0 via serial console and o docs/120024 doc resolver(5) and hosts(5) need updated for IPv6 o docs/119545 doc books/arch-handbook/usb/chapter.sgml formatting o docs/118902 doc [patch] wrong signatures in d2i_RSAPublicKey man pages o docs/118214 doc close(2) error returns incomplete o docs/118020 doc ipfilter(4): man pages query for man 4 ipfilter return o docs/116116 doc mktemp (3) re/move note o docs/116080 doc PREFIX is documented, but not the more important LOCAL p docs/115065 doc [patch] sync ps.1 with p_flag and keywords o docs/114371 doc [patch] [ip6] rtadvd.con(5) should show how to adverti o docs/114139 doc mbuf(9) has misleading comments on M_DONTWAIT and M_TR o docs/113194 doc [patch] [request] crontab.5: handling of day-in-month o docs/112804 doc groff(1) command should be called to explicitly use "p o docs/112682 doc Handbook GEOM_GPT explanation does not provide accurat o docs/111425 doc Missing chunks of text in historical manpages o docs/111265 doc [request] Clarify how to set common shell variables o docs/111147 doc hostapd.conf is not documented o docs/110999 doc carp(4) should document unsupported interface types o docs/110692 doc wi(4) man page doesn't say WPA is not supported o docs/110376 doc [patch] add some more explanations for the iwi/ipw fir o docs/110253 doc [patch] rtprio(1): remove processing starvation commen o docs/110062 doc [patch] mount_nfs(8) fails to mention a failure condit p docs/110061 doc [patch] tuning(7) missing reference to vfs.read_max o docs/109981 doc No manual entry for post-grohtml o docs/109977 doc No manual entry for ksu o docs/109973 doc No manual entry for c++filt o docs/109972 doc No manual entry for zless/bzless f docs/109226 doc [request] No manual entry for sntp o docs/109201 doc [request]: manual for callbootd a docs/108980 doc list of missing man pages o docs/106135 doc [request] articles/vinum needs to be updated o docs/105608 doc fdc(4) debugging description staled o docs/104879 doc Howto: Listen to IMA ADPCM .wav files on FreeBSD box o docs/102719 doc [patch] ng_bpf(4) example leads to unneeded promiscuos o docs/100196 doc man login.conf does explain not "unlimited" o docs/99506 doc FreeBSD Handbook addition: IPv6 Server Settings o docs/98974 doc Missing tunables in loader(8) manpage o docs/98115 doc Missing parts after rendering handbook to RTF format o docs/96207 doc Comments of a sockaddr_un structure could confuse one o docs/94625 doc [patch] growfs man page -- document "panic: not enough o docs/92626 doc jail manpage should mention disabling some periodic sc o docs/91506 doc ndis(4) man page should be more specific about support o docs/91149 doc read(2) can return EINVAL for unaligned access to bloc o docs/88512 doc [patch] mount_ext2fs(8) man page has no details on lar o docs/87936 doc Handbook chapter on NIS/YP lacks good information on a o docs/87857 doc ifconfig(8) wireless options order matters o docs/85128 doc [patch] loader.conf(5) autoboot_delay incompletly desc o docs/84956 doc [patch] intro(5) manpage doesn't mention API coverage o docs/84932 doc new document: printing with an Epson ALC-3000N on Free o docs/84670 doc [patch] tput(1) manpage missing ENVIRONMENT section wi o docs/84317 doc fdp-primer doesn't show class=USERNAME distinctively o docs/84271 doc [patch] compress(1) doesn't warn about nasty link hand o docs/83820 doc getino(3) manpage not installed o docs/81611 doc [patch] natd runs with -same_ports by default o docs/78480 doc Networked printer setup unnecessarily complex in handb o docs/61605 doc [request] Improve documentation for i386 disk geometry o docs/61301 doc [patch] Manpage patch for aue(4) to enable HomePNA fun o docs/59835 doc ipfw(8) man page does not warn about accepted but mean o docs/59477 doc Outdated Info Documents at http://docs.freebsd.org/inf o docs/59044 doc [patch] doc.docbook.mk does not properly handle a sour o docs/57298 doc [patch] add using compact flash cards info to handbook s docs/54752 doc bus_dma explained in ISA section in Handbook: should b o docs/53751 doc bus_dma(9) incorrectly documents BUS_DMA_ALLOCNOW o docs/53596 doc Updates to mt(1) manual page o docs/53271 doc bus_dma(9) fails to document alignment restrictions o docs/51480 doc Multiple undefined references in the FreeBSD manual pa o docs/50211 doc [patch] doc.docbook.mk: fix textfile creation o docs/48101 doc [patch] Add documentation on the fixit disk o docs/43823 doc [patch] update to environ(7) manpage o docs/41089 doc pax(1) -B option does not mention interaction with -z o docs/40423 doc Keyboard(4)'s definition of parameters to GETFKEY/SETF o docs/38982 doc [patch] developers-handbook/Jail fix o docs/38556 doc EPS file of beastie, as addition to existing examples s docs/35678 doc docproj Makefiles for web are broken for paths with sp s docs/33589 doc [patch] to doc.docbook.mk to post process .tex files. a docs/30008 doc [patch] French softupdates document should be translat o docs/27605 doc [patch] Cross-document references () o docs/26286 doc *printf(3) etc should gain format string warnings o docs/24786 doc missing FILES descriptions in sa(4) s docs/20028 doc ASCII docs should reflect tags in the sourc 199 problems total. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 10 17:01:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF5BF106564A; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:01:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [65.122.17.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A537B8FC08; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:01:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bigwig.baldwin.cx (66.111.2.69.static.nyinternet.net [66.111.2.69]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4501B46B06; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 13:01:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jhbbsd.localnet (unknown [209.249.190.124]) by bigwig.baldwin.cx (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CEF808A02E; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 13:01:37 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 13:01:36 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.2-CBSD-20110617; KDE/4.5.5; amd64; ; ) References: <20111007141312.GJ26743@acme.spoerlein.net> <20111008120446.GU26743@acme.spoerlein.net> <4084CDBA-C96D-4D3E-9F99-9F64C68B187D@nitro.dk> In-Reply-To: <4084CDBA-C96D-4D3E-9F99-9F64C68B187D@nitro.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201110101301.37276.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (bigwig.baldwin.cx); Mon, 10 Oct 2011 13:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Cc: "Simon L. B. Nielsen" , =?iso-8859-1?q?Sp=F6rlein?= , doc@freebsd.org, doceng@freebsd.org, Ulrich Subject: Re: Conversion to SVN X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:01:38 -0000 On Saturday, October 08, 2011 12:16:59 pm Simon L. B. Nielsen wrote: > >> I'm not really sure where you would fit doc into the current repo... > >> head/ etc. is on the top level. > > > > /doc and /www would be the obvious choices. Ed even jokingly (??) said > > Well, that seems like a bit of a mess as you mainly have branches at that level... > > > we should just rename /head to /src ... not sure I concur. > > Considering we have stable etc. on the same level that seems like a bad thing to do... I agree with both of these. The layout in svn currently is src-centric and only setup to handle src. You would need to move the entire repo down into a new "src" directory for it to really work, but we aren't going to do that now. I think a separate SVN for doc+www is fine (and not near as much overhead to manage as Ulrich fears). Also, I think the discontinuous history idea is a compelling reason to not put the doc/www history into source svn. Right now svn changes move forward continuously with time (so change N + 1 is "newer" than change N), but importing doc+www history as changes that are subsequent to the current top of tree would break that. OTOH, renumbering the current tree to put the doc+www history in the "right" place is simply not workable now. Importing doc+www into the current SVN is something that would have needed to be done during the initial CVS -> SVN conversion, but that ship has sailed. -- John Baldwin From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 10 17:01:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF5BF106564A; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:01:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [65.122.17.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A537B8FC08; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:01:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bigwig.baldwin.cx (66.111.2.69.static.nyinternet.net [66.111.2.69]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4501B46B06; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 13:01:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jhbbsd.localnet (unknown [209.249.190.124]) by bigwig.baldwin.cx (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CEF808A02E; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 13:01:37 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 13:01:36 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.2-CBSD-20110617; KDE/4.5.5; amd64; ; ) References: <20111007141312.GJ26743@acme.spoerlein.net> <20111008120446.GU26743@acme.spoerlein.net> <4084CDBA-C96D-4D3E-9F99-9F64C68B187D@nitro.dk> In-Reply-To: <4084CDBA-C96D-4D3E-9F99-9F64C68B187D@nitro.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201110101301.37276.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (bigwig.baldwin.cx); Mon, 10 Oct 2011 13:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Cc: "Simon L. B. Nielsen" , =?iso-8859-1?q?Sp=F6rlein?= , doc@freebsd.org, doceng@freebsd.org, Ulrich Subject: Re: Conversion to SVN X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:01:38 -0000 On Saturday, October 08, 2011 12:16:59 pm Simon L. B. Nielsen wrote: > >> I'm not really sure where you would fit doc into the current repo... > >> head/ etc. is on the top level. > > > > /doc and /www would be the obvious choices. Ed even jokingly (??) said > > Well, that seems like a bit of a mess as you mainly have branches at that level... > > > we should just rename /head to /src ... not sure I concur. > > Considering we have stable etc. on the same level that seems like a bad thing to do... I agree with both of these. The layout in svn currently is src-centric and only setup to handle src. You would need to move the entire repo down into a new "src" directory for it to really work, but we aren't going to do that now. I think a separate SVN for doc+www is fine (and not near as much overhead to manage as Ulrich fears). Also, I think the discontinuous history idea is a compelling reason to not put the doc/www history into source svn. Right now svn changes move forward continuously with time (so change N + 1 is "newer" than change N), but importing doc+www history as changes that are subsequent to the current top of tree would break that. OTOH, renumbering the current tree to put the doc+www history in the "right" place is simply not workable now. Importing doc+www into the current SVN is something that would have needed to be done during the initial CVS -> SVN conversion, but that ship has sailed. -- John Baldwin From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 11 18:02:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE48E106566C; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:02:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 856EF8FC0C; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:02:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9BI2ud8091117; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:02:56 GMT (envelope-from linimon@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from linimon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p9BI2uvY091113; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:02:56 GMT (envelope-from linimon) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:02:56 GMT Message-Id: <201110111802.p9BI2uvY091113@freefall.freebsd.org> To: linimon@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: linimon@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/161496: zfs(1): Please document that sysctl vfs.usermount must be 1 for zfs-allow'ed user mount delegation to be allowed X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:02:56 -0000 Old Synopsis: Please document that sysctl vfs.usermount must be 1 for zfs-allow'ed user mount delegation to be allowed New Synopsis: zfs(1): Please document that sysctl vfs.usermount must be 1 for zfs-allow'ed user mount delegation to be allowed Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-bugs->freebsd-doc Responsible-Changed-By: linimon Responsible-Changed-When: Tue Oct 11 18:02:41 UTC 2011 Responsible-Changed-Why: docs PR. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=161496 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 11 19:21:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ED2E1065670; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:21:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from uqs@freebsd.org) Received: from acme.spoerlein.net (acme.spoerlein.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:131:23c2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0583F8FC0A; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:21:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (acme.spoerlein.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:131:23c2::1]) by acme.spoerlein.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9BJLPN7074086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:21:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uqs@freebsd.org) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:21:25 +0200 From: Ulrich =?utf-8?B?U3DDtnJsZWlu?= To: John Baldwin Message-ID: <20111011192125.GF26743@acme.spoerlein.net> References: <20111007141312.GJ26743@acme.spoerlein.net> <20111008120446.GU26743@acme.spoerlein.net> <4084CDBA-C96D-4D3E-9F99-9F64C68B187D@nitro.dk> <201110101301.37276.jhb@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201110101301.37276.jhb@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: "Simon L. B. Nielsen" , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org, doceng@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Conversion to SVN X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:21:27 -0000 On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 13:01:36 -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > On Saturday, October 08, 2011 12:16:59 pm Simon L. B. Nielsen wrote: > > >> I'm not really sure where you would fit doc into the current repo... > > >> head/ etc. is on the top level. > > > > > > /doc and /www would be the obvious choices. Ed even jokingly (??) said > > > > Well, that seems like a bit of a mess as you mainly have branches at that level... > > > > > we should just rename /head to /src ... not sure I concur. > > > > Considering we have stable etc. on the same level that seems like a bad thing to do... > > I agree with both of these. The layout in svn currently is src-centric and > only setup to handle src. You would need to move the entire repo down into a > new "src" directory for it to really work, but we aren't going to do that now. > I think a separate SVN for doc+www is fine (and not near as much overhead to > manage as Ulrich fears). I obviously don't see the need to move src one level down. It is clear that src is our main product and somewhat special. It doesn't preclude doc, www, ports even, to move in under /doc, /www, and /ports. > Also, I think the discontinuous history idea is a compelling reason to not put > the doc/www history into source svn. Right now svn changes move forward > continuously with time (so change N + 1 is "newer" than change N), but > importing doc+www history as changes that are subsequent to the current top of > tree would break that. And? Seriously, does anything depend on that? Sure the "50k revision number bump" is not exactly nice, but I honestly don't see a problem with it. > OTOH, renumbering the current tree to put the doc+www > history in the "right" place is simply not workable now. Importing doc+www > into the current SVN is something that would have needed to be done during the > initial CVS -> SVN conversion, but that ship has sailed. What's sad is, that there never will be a final VCS for FreeBSD. So while currently all commit messages that refer to some RCS revisions are rather useless, there will come a time, post-SVN, when all references to SVN revisions are useless. Here's one more reason why I think doc+www should be in the src repo: In the coming weeks, I'm going to move committers.dot and most of share/doc/* from src to doc. It would've been nice if this could be done with svn moves and retain the history. Is someone familiar with how the llvm and clang SVN repos are interlinked? Perhaps this could be a compromise were we'll get the 50k revision number bump, *but* no monotonicity would've been violated in src-svn. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 11 19:21:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ED2E1065670; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:21:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from uqs@freebsd.org) Received: from acme.spoerlein.net (acme.spoerlein.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:131:23c2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0583F8FC0A; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:21:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (acme.spoerlein.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:131:23c2::1]) by acme.spoerlein.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9BJLPN7074086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:21:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uqs@freebsd.org) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:21:25 +0200 From: Ulrich =?utf-8?B?U3DDtnJsZWlu?= To: John Baldwin Message-ID: <20111011192125.GF26743@acme.spoerlein.net> References: <20111007141312.GJ26743@acme.spoerlein.net> <20111008120446.GU26743@acme.spoerlein.net> <4084CDBA-C96D-4D3E-9F99-9F64C68B187D@nitro.dk> <201110101301.37276.jhb@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201110101301.37276.jhb@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: "Simon L. B. Nielsen" , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org, doceng@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Conversion to SVN X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:21:27 -0000 On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 13:01:36 -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > On Saturday, October 08, 2011 12:16:59 pm Simon L. B. Nielsen wrote: > > >> I'm not really sure where you would fit doc into the current repo... > > >> head/ etc. is on the top level. > > > > > > /doc and /www would be the obvious choices. Ed even jokingly (??) said > > > > Well, that seems like a bit of a mess as you mainly have branches at that level... > > > > > we should just rename /head to /src ... not sure I concur. > > > > Considering we have stable etc. on the same level that seems like a bad thing to do... > > I agree with both of these. The layout in svn currently is src-centric and > only setup to handle src. You would need to move the entire repo down into a > new "src" directory for it to really work, but we aren't going to do that now. > I think a separate SVN for doc+www is fine (and not near as much overhead to > manage as Ulrich fears). I obviously don't see the need to move src one level down. It is clear that src is our main product and somewhat special. It doesn't preclude doc, www, ports even, to move in under /doc, /www, and /ports. > Also, I think the discontinuous history idea is a compelling reason to not put > the doc/www history into source svn. Right now svn changes move forward > continuously with time (so change N + 1 is "newer" than change N), but > importing doc+www history as changes that are subsequent to the current top of > tree would break that. And? Seriously, does anything depend on that? Sure the "50k revision number bump" is not exactly nice, but I honestly don't see a problem with it. > OTOH, renumbering the current tree to put the doc+www > history in the "right" place is simply not workable now. Importing doc+www > into the current SVN is something that would have needed to be done during the > initial CVS -> SVN conversion, but that ship has sailed. What's sad is, that there never will be a final VCS for FreeBSD. So while currently all commit messages that refer to some RCS revisions are rather useless, there will come a time, post-SVN, when all references to SVN revisions are useless. Here's one more reason why I think doc+www should be in the src repo: In the coming weeks, I'm going to move committers.dot and most of share/doc/* from src to doc. It would've been nice if this could be done with svn moves and retain the history. Is someone familiar with how the llvm and clang SVN repos are interlinked? Perhaps this could be a compromise were we'll get the 50k revision number bump, *but* no monotonicity would've been violated in src-svn. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 11 19:44:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BAF61065672; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:44:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [65.122.17.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E41058FC12; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bigwig.baldwin.cx (66.111.2.69.static.nyinternet.net [66.111.2.69]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 952EC46B0D; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jhbbsd.localnet (unknown [209.249.190.124]) by bigwig.baldwin.cx (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 113108A02E; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:44:28 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Ulrich =?iso-8859-1?q?Sp=F6rlein?= Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:44:27 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.2-CBSD-20110617; KDE/4.5.5; amd64; ; ) References: <20111007141312.GJ26743@acme.spoerlein.net> <201110101301.37276.jhb@freebsd.org> <20111011192125.GF26743@acme.spoerlein.net> In-Reply-To: <20111011192125.GF26743@acme.spoerlein.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <201110111544.27591.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (bigwig.baldwin.cx); Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Cc: "Simon L. B. Nielsen" , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org, doceng@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Conversion to SVN X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:44:29 -0000 On Tuesday, October 11, 2011 3:21:25 pm Ulrich Sp=F6rlein wrote: > On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 13:01:36 -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > > Also, I think the discontinuous history idea is a compelling reason to = not put > > the doc/www history into source svn. Right now svn changes move forward > > continuously with time (so change N + 1 is "newer" than change N), but > > importing doc+www history as changes that are subsequent to the current= top of > > tree would break that. >=20 > And? Seriously, does anything depend on that? Sure the "50k revision > number bump" is not exactly nice, but I honestly don't see a problem > with it. Humans depend on it. =20 > > OTOH, renumbering the current tree to put the doc+www > > history in the "right" place is simply not workable now. Importing doc= +www > > into the current SVN is something that would have needed to be done dur= ing the > > initial CVS -> SVN conversion, but that ship has sailed. >=20 > What's sad is, that there never will be a final VCS for FreeBSD. So > while currently all commit messages that refer to some RCS revisions are > rather useless, there will come a time, post-SVN, when all references to > SVN revisions are useless. People importing from our svn into another system will get massive, massive confusion if we renumbered our depot. That is why we can't renumber it at this point. =2D-=20 John Baldwin From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 11 19:44:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BAF61065672; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:44:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [65.122.17.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E41058FC12; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bigwig.baldwin.cx (66.111.2.69.static.nyinternet.net [66.111.2.69]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 952EC46B0D; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jhbbsd.localnet (unknown [209.249.190.124]) by bigwig.baldwin.cx (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 113108A02E; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:44:28 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Ulrich =?iso-8859-1?q?Sp=F6rlein?= Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:44:27 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.2-CBSD-20110617; KDE/4.5.5; amd64; ; ) References: <20111007141312.GJ26743@acme.spoerlein.net> <201110101301.37276.jhb@freebsd.org> <20111011192125.GF26743@acme.spoerlein.net> In-Reply-To: <20111011192125.GF26743@acme.spoerlein.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <201110111544.27591.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (bigwig.baldwin.cx); Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Cc: "Simon L. B. Nielsen" , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org, doceng@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Conversion to SVN X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:44:29 -0000 On Tuesday, October 11, 2011 3:21:25 pm Ulrich Sp=F6rlein wrote: > On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 13:01:36 -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > > Also, I think the discontinuous history idea is a compelling reason to = not put > > the doc/www history into source svn. Right now svn changes move forward > > continuously with time (so change N + 1 is "newer" than change N), but > > importing doc+www history as changes that are subsequent to the current= top of > > tree would break that. >=20 > And? Seriously, does anything depend on that? Sure the "50k revision > number bump" is not exactly nice, but I honestly don't see a problem > with it. Humans depend on it. =20 > > OTOH, renumbering the current tree to put the doc+www > > history in the "right" place is simply not workable now. Importing doc= +www > > into the current SVN is something that would have needed to be done dur= ing the > > initial CVS -> SVN conversion, but that ship has sailed. >=20 > What's sad is, that there never will be a final VCS for FreeBSD. So > while currently all commit messages that refer to some RCS revisions are > rather useless, there will come a time, post-SVN, when all references to > SVN revisions are useless. People importing from our svn into another system will get massive, massive confusion if we renumbered our depot. That is why we can't renumber it at this point. =2D-=20 John Baldwin From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 11 21:19:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9574106566C for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:19:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81E608FC15 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:19:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p9BLJGlh027650 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:19:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id p9BLJGM4027647 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:19:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:19:16 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:19:16 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Subject: scr2png in 720x400 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:19:17 -0000 Is there any way to get scr2png to create a 720x400 image from a 'vidcontrol -p' capture? Different fonts, maybe? I'm trying to match screenshots made from a real system to those made from a VirtualBox VM. The real system makes 640x400 PNGs, while the VirtualBox image captures are 720x400 with better-looking fonts. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 11 21:29:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 497361065676; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:29:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from uqs@freebsd.org) Received: from acme.spoerlein.net (acme.spoerlein.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:131:23c2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D71AE8FC23; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:29:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (acme.spoerlein.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:131:23c2::1]) by acme.spoerlein.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9BLTLBF077662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 11 Oct 2011 23:29:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uqs@freebsd.org) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 23:29:21 +0200 From: Ulrich =?utf-8?B?U3DDtnJsZWlu?= To: John Baldwin Message-ID: <20111011212921.GG26743@acme.spoerlein.net> References: <20111007141312.GJ26743@acme.spoerlein.net> <201110101301.37276.jhb@freebsd.org> <20111011192125.GF26743@acme.spoerlein.net> <201110111544.27591.jhb@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <201110111544.27591.jhb@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: "Simon L. B. Nielsen" , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org, doceng@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Conversion to SVN X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:29:23 -0000 On Tue, 2011-10-11 at 15:44:27 -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > On Tuesday, October 11, 2011 3:21:25 pm Ulrich Spörlein wrote: > > On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 13:01:36 -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > > > Also, I think the discontinuous history idea is a compelling reason to not put > > > the doc/www history into source svn. Right now svn changes move forward > > > continuously with time (so change N + 1 is "newer" than change N), but > > > importing doc+www history as changes that are subsequent to the current top of > > > tree would break that. > > > > And? Seriously, does anything depend on that? Sure the "50k revision > > number bump" is not exactly nice, but I honestly don't see a problem > > with it. > > Humans depend on it. That hardly explains anything. Numbers for /head et al. are monotonically increasing. Numbers for /doc inside the src-svn would be monotonically increasing. > > > OTOH, renumbering the current tree to put the doc+www > > > history in the "right" place is simply not workable now. Importing doc+www > > > into the current SVN is something that would have needed to be done during the > > > initial CVS -> SVN conversion, but that ship has sailed. > > > > What's sad is, that there never will be a final VCS for FreeBSD. So > > while currently all commit messages that refer to some RCS revisions are > > rather useless, there will come a time, post-SVN, when all references to > > SVN revisions are useless. > > People importing from our svn into another system will get massive, massive > confusion if we renumbered our depot. That is why we can't renumber it at > this point. I never said we should do that. Cheers, Uli From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 11 21:29:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 497361065676; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:29:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from uqs@freebsd.org) Received: from acme.spoerlein.net (acme.spoerlein.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:131:23c2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D71AE8FC23; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:29:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (acme.spoerlein.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:131:23c2::1]) by acme.spoerlein.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9BLTLBF077662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 11 Oct 2011 23:29:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uqs@freebsd.org) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 23:29:21 +0200 From: Ulrich =?utf-8?B?U3DDtnJsZWlu?= To: John Baldwin Message-ID: <20111011212921.GG26743@acme.spoerlein.net> References: <20111007141312.GJ26743@acme.spoerlein.net> <201110101301.37276.jhb@freebsd.org> <20111011192125.GF26743@acme.spoerlein.net> <201110111544.27591.jhb@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <201110111544.27591.jhb@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: "Simon L. B. Nielsen" , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org, doceng@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Conversion to SVN X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:29:23 -0000 On Tue, 2011-10-11 at 15:44:27 -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > On Tuesday, October 11, 2011 3:21:25 pm Ulrich Spörlein wrote: > > On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 13:01:36 -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > > > Also, I think the discontinuous history idea is a compelling reason to not put > > > the doc/www history into source svn. Right now svn changes move forward > > > continuously with time (so change N + 1 is "newer" than change N), but > > > importing doc+www history as changes that are subsequent to the current top of > > > tree would break that. > > > > And? Seriously, does anything depend on that? Sure the "50k revision > > number bump" is not exactly nice, but I honestly don't see a problem > > with it. > > Humans depend on it. That hardly explains anything. Numbers for /head et al. are monotonically increasing. Numbers for /doc inside the src-svn would be monotonically increasing. > > > OTOH, renumbering the current tree to put the doc+www > > > history in the "right" place is simply not workable now. Importing doc+www > > > into the current SVN is something that would have needed to be done during the > > > initial CVS -> SVN conversion, but that ship has sailed. > > > > What's sad is, that there never will be a final VCS for FreeBSD. So > > while currently all commit messages that refer to some RCS revisions are > > rather useless, there will come a time, post-SVN, when all references to > > SVN revisions are useless. > > People importing from our svn into another system will get massive, massive > confusion if we renumbered our depot. That is why we can't renumber it at > this point. I never said we should do that. Cheers, Uli From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 00:50:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA8AE1065673 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 00:50:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from delphij@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F11A8FC14 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 00:50:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywp17 with SMTP id 17so203066ywp.13 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:50:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dLGg4Rc6lgw50Fh5aLXfW7YsTrq2hHrNf+Agy4j7Gjo=; b=RIOlm79KSm/a6GfZC1Tndz/QfBQNln6kX7653PSeOEO/VsEvYqYAZBgDzQxXLsens0 pLd1VqRa/G3YWRf0AbOYfNUqvPUwqsNLFZUJQZJPc/MSrvqym6uAede4c0nIt8jyzmCZ F13n1V6UEkECfyarls7fvel52APenQGyBxdF4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.188.9 with SMTP id l9mr12624870ybf.15.1318379168045; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.145.18 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:26:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:26:07 -0700 Message-ID: From: Xin LI To: Warren Block Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: scr2png in 720x400 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 00:50:11 -0000 On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Warren Block wrote: > Is there any way to get scr2png to create a 720x400 image from a 'vidcont= rol > -p' capture? =C2=A0Different fonts, maybe? > > I'm trying to match screenshots made from a real system to those made fro= m a > VirtualBox VM. =C2=A0The real system makes 640x400 PNGs, while the Virtua= lBox > image captures are 720x400 with better-looking fonts. I think you have to use a different font (the system only supplied 8x16, 8x14 and 8x8 fonts and for 720x400 you want 9x16 fonts). If I remember correctly, VGA would duplicate the rightmost column if the character's code is between 0xB0 through 0xDF (this is hardcoded knowledge about the so-called graphical characters) and for other characters, that column is left blank. Perhaps we need to implement that in scr2png? Cheers --=20 Xin LI https://www.delphij.net/ FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! Live free or die From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 01:37:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B1B106564A for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 01:37:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF408FC0C for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 01:37:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p9C1bXXR028652; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:37:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id p9C1bXjL028649; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:37:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:37:33 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Xin LI In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-902635197-2075567589-1318383453=:28393" X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:37:33 -0600 (MDT) Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: scr2png in 720x400 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 01:37:34 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---902635197-2075567589-1318383453=:28393 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Tue, 11 Oct 2011, Xin LI wrote: > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Warren Block wrote: >> Is there any way to get scr2png to create a 720x400 image from a 'vidcontrol >> -p' capture?  Different fonts, maybe? >> >> I'm trying to match screenshots made from a real system to those made from a >> VirtualBox VM.  The real system makes 640x400 PNGs, while the VirtualBox >> image captures are 720x400 with better-looking fonts. > > I think you have to use a different font (the system only supplied > 8x16, 8x14 and 8x8 fonts and for 720x400 you want 9x16 fonts). The odd thing is that the VM reports that it's in the same video mode as the real system, 640x400. Yet the actual bitmap captured is 720x400 plus VM window borders. > If I remember correctly, VGA would duplicate the rightmost column if > the character's code is between 0xB0 through 0xDF (this is hardcoded > knowledge about the so-called graphical characters) and for other > characters, that column is left blank. Perhaps we need to implement > that in scr2png? An alternative would be to take .scr files and load them back into the the screen on another system for screen shots. It finally occurred to me to ssh from the VM to the real system, and continue to grab screen shots off the VM. That only works when the real hardware is running sshd. ---902635197-2075567589-1318383453=:28393-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 07:50:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A601D106564A for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 07:50:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8748FC1E for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 07:50:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9C7o8ms082203 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 07:50:08 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p9C7o8Kv082197; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 07:50:08 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 07:50:08 GMT Message-Id: <201110120750.p9C7o8Kv082197@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Niclas Zeising Cc: Subject: Re: docs/161263: ldap handbook is incorrect X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Niclas Zeising List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 07:50:08 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/161263; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Niclas Zeising To: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org, mccann.brandon@gmail.com Cc: Subject: Re: docs/161263: ldap handbook is incorrect Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 09:49:17 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030401010105050301030801 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! Here is a patch that makes the article consistently use openldap24, instead of a mix of openldap23 and openldap24. Regards! -- Niclas --------------030401010105050301030801 Content-Type: text/plain; name="doc.articles.ldap-auth.article.sgml.diff" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="doc.articles.ldap-auth.article.sgml.diff" Index: en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/ldap-auth/article.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/ldap-auth/article.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -d -r1.3 article.sgml --- en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/ldap-auth/article.sgml 31 Jul 2010 11:06:18 -0000 1.3 +++ en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/ldap-auth/article.sgml 12 Oct 2011 07:39:01 -0000 @@ -80,9 +80,9 @@ concrete administration is OpenLDAP-specific. There are several server versions in ports, for example net/openldap23-server. Client servers + role="package">net/openldap24-server. Client servers will need the corresponding net/openldap23-client libraries. + role="package">net/openldap24-client libraries. There are (basically) two areas of the LDAP service which need configuration. The first is setting up a server to receive @@ -239,7 +239,7 @@ Configuring the Client Install the net/openldap23-client port for the + role="package">net/openldap24-client port for the OpenLDAP libraries. The client machines will always have OpenLDAP libraries since that is all OpenLDAP libraries from , but if you are installing several client machines you will need to install net/openldap23-client on each of + role="package">net/openldap24-client on each of them. &os; requires two ports to be installed to authenticate --------------030401010105050301030801-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 07:57:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4FBA106566C; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 07:57:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bcr@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADDF68FC0C; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 07:57:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9C7vl2Y090792; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 07:57:47 GMT (envelope-from bcr@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from bcr@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p9C7vlNk090788; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 07:57:47 GMT (envelope-from bcr) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 07:57:47 GMT Message-Id: <201110120757.p9C7vlNk090788@freefall.freebsd.org> To: bcr@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, bcr@FreeBSD.org From: bcr@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/161263: ldap handbook is incorrect X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 07:57:47 -0000 Synopsis: ldap handbook is incorrect Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->bcr Responsible-Changed-By: bcr Responsible-Changed-When: Wed Oct 12 07:57:23 UTC 2011 Responsible-Changed-Why: Grab this one. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=161263 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 10:30:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A17FD106566B for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:30:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A128FC0C for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:30:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9CAUDbp032248 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:30:13 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p9CAUDxd032245; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:30:13 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:30:13 GMT Message-Id: <201110121030.p9CAUDxd032245@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Niclas Zeising Cc: Subject: Re: docs/160696: style(9) should be mentioned in the devs' handbook X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Niclas Zeising List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:30:13 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/160696; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Niclas Zeising To: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org, radiomlodychbandytow@o2.pl Cc: Subject: Re: docs/160696: style(9) should be mentioned in the devs' handbook Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:29:19 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090008080408060608000208 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! Here is a patch that adds a section to the source tree guidelines and policies chapter of the developer's handbook about code style, with links to relevant manual pages. It has not been build tested yet, since I'm away from my build environment. -- Niclas Zeising --------------090008080408060608000208 Content-Type: text/plain; name="doc.developers-handbook.policies.chapter.sgml.diff" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="doc.developers-handbook.policies.chapter.sgml.diff" Index: en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/policies/chapter.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/policies/chapter.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.37 diff -u -d -r1.37 chapter.sgml --- en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/policies/chapter.sgml 7 May 2010 06:33:09 -0000 1.37 +++ en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/policies/chapter.sgml 12 Oct 2011 10:22:12 -0000 @@ -24,6 +24,19 @@ This chapter documents various guidelines and policies in force for the FreeBSD source tree. + + + Style Guidlines + style + + In a big programming project like the &os; project, it is important + that everybody involved adheres to the same coding style. This ensures + that all code looks consistent, and will improve the ability for people + in the project to read and understand the source. In &os; there are + two manual pages describing the code style to adhere to. These are + &man.style.9; and &man.style.Makefile.5;, for c code and make files, + respectively. + <makevar>MAINTAINER</makevar> on Makefiles Index: share/sgml/man-refs.ent =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/share/sgml/man-refs.ent,v retrieving revision 1.513 diff -u -d -r1.513 man-refs.ent --- share/sgml/man-refs.ent 25 Aug 2011 20:27:19 -0000 1.513 +++ share/sgml/man-refs.ent 12 Oct 2011 10:23:24 -0000 @@ -5239,6 +5239,7 @@ + --------------090008080408060608000208-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 12:10:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B7C5106564A for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:10:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 713D18FC1A for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:10:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9CCADoC030226 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:10:13 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p9CCADuq030225; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:10:13 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:10:13 GMT Message-Id: <201110121210.p9CCADuq030225@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Niclas Zeising Cc: Subject: Re: docs/160696: style(9) should be mentioned in the devs' handbook X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Niclas Zeising List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:10:13 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/160696; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Niclas Zeising To: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org, radiomlodychbandytow@o2.pl Cc: Subject: Re: docs/160696: style(9) should be mentioned in the devs' handbook Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:07:09 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050804040700070501000005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! Here is an updated patch based on comments from Glen Barber. Regards! -- Niclas Zeising --------------050804040700070501000005 Content-Type: text/plain; name="doc.developers-handbook.policies.chapter.sgml.diff" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="doc.developers-handbook.policies.chapter.sgml.diff" Index: en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/policies/chapter.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/policies/chapter.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.37 diff -u -d -r1.37 chapter.sgml --- en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/policies/chapter.sgml 7 May 2010 06:33:09 -0000 1.37 +++ en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/policies/chapter.sgml 12 Oct 2011 12:01:40 -0000 @@ -24,6 +24,19 @@ This chapter documents various guidelines and policies in force for the FreeBSD source tree. + + + Style Guidlines + style + + In a big programming project like the &os; project, it is important + that everybody involved adheres to the same coding style. This ensures + that all code looks consistent, and will improve the ability for people + in the project to read and understand the source code. In &os; there + are two manual pages describing the code style to which to adhere. These + are &man.style.9; and &man.style.Makefile.5;, for c code and Makefiles, + respectively. + <makevar>MAINTAINER</makevar> on Makefiles Index: share/sgml/man-refs.ent =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/share/sgml/man-refs.ent,v retrieving revision 1.513 diff -u -d -r1.513 man-refs.ent --- share/sgml/man-refs.ent 25 Aug 2011 20:27:19 -0000 1.513 +++ share/sgml/man-refs.ent 12 Oct 2011 12:02:49 -0000 @@ -4047,6 +4047,7 @@ + --------------050804040700070501000005-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 12:30:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0677106566C; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:30:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bcr@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8CF88FC0A; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:30:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9CCUeQu051394; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:30:40 GMT (envelope-from bcr@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from bcr@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p9CCUe1p051383; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:30:40 GMT (envelope-from bcr) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:30:40 GMT Message-Id: <201110121230.p9CCUe1p051383@freefall.freebsd.org> To: bcr@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, bcr@FreeBSD.org From: bcr@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/160696: style(9) should be mentioned in the devs' handbook X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:30:40 -0000 Synopsis: style(9) should be mentioned in the devs' handbook Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->bcr Responsible-Changed-By: bcr Responsible-Changed-When: Wed Oct 12 12:29:58 UTC 2011 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll take this one. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=160696 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 12:50:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65F56106566C for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:50:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 372228FC15 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:50:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9CCo4XX068318 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:50:04 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p9CCo4vs068317; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:50:04 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:50:04 GMT Message-Id: <201110121250.p9CCo4vs068317@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Niclas Zeising Cc: Subject: Re: docs/145067: Remove all reference to floppy installs X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Niclas Zeising List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:50:04 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/145067; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Niclas Zeising To: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org, aiza21@comclark.com Cc: Subject: Re: docs/145067: Remove all reference to floppy installs Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:42:13 +0200 Hi! There is a pr with a patch that does this. Please have a look at http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=docs/155982 Regards! -- Niclas Zeising From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 12:50:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EB91106566B for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:50:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FDFD8FC0C for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:50:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9CCo6KH068335 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:50:06 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p9CCo6Gn068334; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:50:06 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:50:06 GMT Message-Id: <201110121250.p9CCo6Gn068334@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Niclas Zeising Cc: Subject: Re: docs/154502: xdm authorization failure when used with E17 window manager X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Niclas Zeising List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:50:06 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/154502; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Niclas Zeising To: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org, cpt_complain@yahoo.com Cc: Subject: Re: docs/154502: xdm authorization failure when used with E17 window manager Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:47:24 +0200 This rather seems like it is a documentation issue in xdm, which is not part of the base system. This pr should most likely be reclassified or just closed, if it is not an issue any longer. Regards! -- Niclas Zeising From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 13:04:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAC8B106566B; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:04:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D118FC12; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:04:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9CD416w084977; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:04:01 GMT (envelope-from gjb@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gjb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p9CD41J8084973; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:04:01 GMT (envelope-from gjb) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:04:01 GMT Message-Id: <201110121304.p9CD41J8084973@freefall.freebsd.org> To: gjb@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-ports-bugs@FreeBSD.org From: gjb@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: ports/154502: xdm authorization failure when used with E17 window manager X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:04:01 -0000 Synopsis: xdm authorization failure when used with E17 window manager Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->freebsd-ports-bugs Responsible-Changed-By: gjb Responsible-Changed-When: Wed Oct 12 13:03:29 UTC 2011 Responsible-Changed-Why: Ports PR (if it's still a problem). http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=154502 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 13:17:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B8BC106566C for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:17:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirj.bris.ac.uk (dirj.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D88268FC18 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:17:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ncsd.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.59] helo=ncs.bris.ac.uk) by dirj.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RDyS4-00034g-A1; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:02:28 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by ncs.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RDyS4-0007jM-6F; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:02:28 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p9CD2ReS008942; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:02:27 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id p9CD2RwD008941; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:02:27 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk: mexas set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:02:27 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org, cpt_complain@yahoo.com Message-ID: <20111012130227.GA8460@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org, cpt_complain@yahoo.com, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: <201110121250.p9CCo6Gn068334@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201110121250.p9CCo6Gn068334@freefall.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/154502: xdm authorization failure when used with E17 window manager X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:17:44 -0000 I've had similar behaviour when some ports were missing, perhaps x11/xrdb. The OP needs to examine /var/log/xdm.log first. This might be no error at all. -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 14:20:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 537A2106566B for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:20:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0808FC16 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:20:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9CEKAjJ050816 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:20:10 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p9CEKAZC050815; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:20:10 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:20:10 GMT Message-Id: <201110121420.p9CEKAZC050815@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Niclas Zeising Cc: Subject: Re: docs/109226: [request] No manual entry for sntp X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Niclas Zeising List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:20:11 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/109226; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Niclas Zeising To: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org, admin@lissyara.su Cc: Subject: Re: docs/109226: [request] No manual entry for sntp Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 16:13:11 +0200 This is probably better solved by installing the manual page that comes with the sntp application in the ntp package. See src/contrib/contrib/ntp/sntp/sntp.1 -- Niclas Zeising From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 14:30:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D50A71065673 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:30:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB22C8FC0A for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:30:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9CEUAIe059111 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:30:10 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p9CEUA0P059106; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:30:10 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:30:10 GMT Message-Id: <201110121430.p9CEUA0P059106@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Niclas Zeising Cc: Subject: Re: docs/111147: hostapd.conf is not documented X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Niclas Zeising List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:30:10 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/111147; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Niclas Zeising To: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org, janos.mohacsi@bsd.hu Cc: Subject: Re: docs/111147: hostapd.conf is not documented Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 16:22:40 +0200 The example file mentioned in the PR is copied to /usr/share/examples/hostapd.conf . I guess it is possible to flesh out the manual page, but that requires someone with a throughout knowledge of how hostapd.conf works. -- Niclas Zeising From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 17:30:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3CB7106564A for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:30:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B377D8FC14 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:30:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9CHUEbi028486 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:30:14 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p9CHUEYY028481; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:30:14 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:30:14 GMT Message-Id: <201110121730.p9CHUEYY028481@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: dfilter@FreeBSD.ORG (dfilter service) Cc: Subject: Re: docs/149051: commit references a PR X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: dfilter service List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:30:14 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/149051; it has been noted by GNATS. From: dfilter@FreeBSD.ORG (dfilter service) To: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/149051: commit references a PR Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:26:04 +0000 (UTC) Author: dim Date: Wed Oct 12 17:25:49 2011 New Revision: 226310 URL: http://svn.freebsd.org/changeset/base/226310 Log: Add manpage symlink for clang++(1). PR: docs/149051 MFC after: 3 days Modified: head/usr.bin/clang/clang/Makefile Modified: head/usr.bin/clang/clang/Makefile ============================================================================== --- head/usr.bin/clang/clang/Makefile Wed Oct 12 15:59:29 2011 (r226309) +++ head/usr.bin/clang/clang/Makefile Wed Oct 12 17:25:49 2011 (r226310) @@ -10,6 +10,7 @@ SRCS= cc1_main.cpp \ driver.cpp LINKS= ${BINDIR}/clang ${BINDIR}/clang++ +MLINKS= clang.1 clang++.1 TGHDRS= CC1AsOptions \ CC1Options \ _______________________________________________ svn-src-all@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/svn-src-all To unsubscribe, send any mail to "svn-src-all-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 20:31:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA5F8106566C; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 20:31:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from uqs@spoerlein.net) Received: from acme.spoerlein.net (acme.spoerlein.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:131:23c2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67EA88FC0A; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 20:31:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (acme.spoerlein.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:131:23c2::1]) by acme.spoerlein.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9CKV7HH009804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 12 Oct 2011 22:31:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uqs@spoerlein.net) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=spoerlein.net; s=dkim200908; t=1318451467; bh=o1wKzK5nKTXR5W65XfCr4mbr5VzZtRngFQq0KE6JcII=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:In-Reply-To; b=jf+4Fr2oTi7pCdaNIWnjBib9xaPk0rX8SE4M55RpowxDjVa+AJAWTQNy0WI6+E0XM EosX5SL6dmmof41ezH75ie5eY2tkyBpAwtprEKFcOEgTVumBx0o8jrQuIGdnoykRBB f70SSH9kUEr3zCUOn7+holFIXID9gjA/yvh21NU8= Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 22:31:07 +0200 From: Ulrich =?utf-8?B?U3DDtnJsZWlu?= To: David Romano Message-ID: <20111012203107.GK26743@acme.spoerlein.net> References: <20111007141312.GJ26743@acme.spoerlein.net> <4E8F54BB.4000206@cpan.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4E8F54BB.4000206@cpan.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: doceng@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Conversion to SVN X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 20:31:11 -0000 On Fri, 2011-10-07 at 12:36:27 -0700, David Romano wrote: > On 10/07/2011 07:13, Ulrich Spörlein wrote: > > it looks like I'm not the only one thinking about moving the doc/www > > repos from CVS to SVN, and other people actually have not only thought > > about it but already played around with conversions. > > > > gavin did some preliminary conversions and it turns out that we end up > > with ~50k revisions and about 650MB of changes (IIRC). There are also > > lots of weird branches, so perhaps we could size that down a bit. > > > > What I, personally, would like to see is us using the same svn repo as > > src. That means we would have to stop svn.freebsd.org for the > > conversion, turn off email sending, dump 50k revisions into it (under > > /doc and /www perhaps? where should branches/tags end up?), then turn > > everything back on. > > > > I haven't really thought that through to the end, but setting up a > > separate svn repo just seems silly to me and is another administrative > > overhead. ports might be special enough (due to sheer size) to justify a > > separate repo/machine, but not doc/www. > > > > Please discuss and share your experiments and thoughts. > I'm a new kid on the block but I'm curious why git is being overlooked > for the new repository. Just because it's a distributed VCS doesn't mean Others already mentioned why our focus is on SVN for now. But as the one, that is doing these conversions to github, I can assure you that the doc repo will show up there as soon as it has been converted to SVN. Cheers, Uli From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 13 20:52:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF13106564A for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 20:52:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 860B48FC0C for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 20:52:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.net (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p9DKcFcR001403 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:38:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.erewhon.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6AC7ABACF; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:38:15 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:38:15 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111013203815.GA77278@slackbox.erewhon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd" Content-Disposition: inline X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Subject: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 20:52:32 -0000 --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable With the recent death of Dennis Ritchie, we've lost one of the giants on wh= ose shoulders we are standing. But rather that mourn his passing, I think it wo= uld be proper to remember and celebrate his achievements. His contributions to the C language and the UNIX operating system are a legacy that few can match. Therefore I would like to propose that the FreeBSD project dedicate the upcoming 9.0 release in his memory. Alternatively, an tribute on the FreeBSD website would be fitting, wouldn't= it? Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk6XTDcACgkQEnfvsMMhpyX7UwCgg5T6X8PcvWRhtT64Vl5Hriq6 KagAmwQnZZpy6NemTzpDPmhNX8SYZi2o =QRdg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 13 21:41:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED684106566B for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 21:41:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luchesar.iliev@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8155D8FC13 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 21:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyd10 with SMTP id 10so642067eyd.13 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 14:41:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version :openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=UnvOtHtgcxQHkQN6NrHHAzbM6Hrdyk8u88ExKX4J99w=; b=GdsFXVZ99gobVtjQWRarcwEYVFYrBEEPyj4bJrpXEypu6v4EUL67EjJ0+RZEGCdQyS i3DJX7BK8h5ENNLMZh5zq9CEYyTBZbpjelfeBz8ksxBT9L862NChmIotC/sd+u8U/rOz oLj+Wnw85AKXln8kkgE2lvHuRfDDkdxvSxu14= Received: by 10.204.151.217 with SMTP id d25mr4206715bkw.88.1318540349143; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 14:12:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [79.124.93.41] ([79.124.93.41]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u10sm5297108bkv.3.2011.10.13.14.12.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 13 Oct 2011 14:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E97543A.4040406@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:12:26 +0300 From: "Luchesar V. ILIEV" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111002 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: <20111013203815.GA77278@slackbox.erewhon.net> In-Reply-To: <20111013203815.GA77278@slackbox.erewhon.net> X-Enigmail-Version: undefined OpenPGP: id=9A1FEEFF; url=https://cert.acad.bg/pgp-keys/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 21:41:04 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 13/10/2011 23:38, Roland Smith wrote: > With the recent death of Dennis Ritchie, we've lost one of the > giants on whose shoulders we are standing. But rather that mourn > his passing, I think it would be proper to remember and celebrate > his achievements. > > His contributions to the C language and the UNIX operating system > are a legacy that few can match. > > Therefore I would like to propose that the FreeBSD project dedicate > the upcoming 9.0 release in his memory. > > Alternatively, an tribute on the FreeBSD website would be fitting, > wouldn't it? > > Roland I just (coincidentally) joined the list, and I'm absolutely not the person who can judge how (or if at all) it would be appropriate for FreeBSD to react to Ritchie's passing. However, since my "conversion" to Unix, I've had the highest regard for its pioneers, and therefore, also as a long-time FreeBSD user, would absolutely welcome such dedication of FreeBSD 9.0 or any appropriate tribute to Ritchie. Best regards, Luchesar - -- i.dea.is/luchesar -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJOl1QpAAoJENvaS4iaH+7/RSoH/3Z/j6BXyAr7H8cMT0zfnIbW yYBK8rQWb+hNCVBDGkUxgaf0MArAgAlE2X2IijA5cCTgTt1K7VC/zce2Ok/efrx7 oWsLIWtTtGJRQDF6atUV2UmC8wgYaS7ci7gPRtT8sYFeB1lO6kE3fys08PYGxPsU vam2VBMfEg+layCDhWYBtmGisvXq48gTsrgiCDKWEipuF0GQRdzQCDF9gcSjkLfg 1IQxD1FvFMbA+3vEb9FvD/iHVlHRPc6KeBD/sjcAISGNqju3MVyG3XCXR0jQvh0E hZaI/3vRdyRXjMtPH3+hgymbxAFShJL2o2wculbyFkHfhgeZRIffhbWst3xzT54= =pdtg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 13 22:36:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98399106566B for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:36:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luchesar.iliev@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ED8A8FC08 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:36:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkbzx1 with SMTP id zx1so969690bkb.13 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 15:36:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type; bh=yUcw9J12NKmQ3aUHL4g9XfoD6pLLgBA3Fa/NET/wvqE=; b=WZMm03bdopQOQX4XpmGlxnMueRmQUWoxfLNqLzdTN4cE4QqjdD2t60SuTFNgyJtK0V 6ASMjz1mjcEW7/qSV7t5xeqWVvk7fH9Ru/jXbWmSl4D1B8aJwo0YFauM5te0C+PhHB5J jKQQ0/bK16UrR8QBMlsZmAIDxbj0bHGie5bw4= Received: by 10.204.145.15 with SMTP id b15mr4716010bkv.52.1318545383103; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 15:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [79.124.93.41] ([79.124.93.41]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d17sm6141748bkq.11.2011.10.13.15.36.21 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 13 Oct 2011 15:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E9767E4.8070000@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 01:36:20 +0300 From: "Luchesar V. ILIEV" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111002 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: undefined OpenPGP: id=9A1FEEFF; url=https://cert.acad.bg/pgp-keys/ Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000406000807040902010804" Subject: Missing "-l" option from pw(8) USER section X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:36:26 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000406000807040902010804 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hi everyone, Apologies if that has been discussed before; the search didn't yield anything useful, but I might have missed something. I noticed today that the "-l" option is missing from pw.8 man page, at least in HEAD, stable/9 and stable/8. The option is mentioned in the SYNOPSIS, but there's no information about it in the USER OPTIONS section, unlike the respective option in GROUP OPTIONS. I went briefly through both pw.8's and pw.c's history, but could not find any clues. The option itself is working as expected, and pw.c's short help also mentions it, so I assume it somehow got overlooked, rather than being intentionally omitted. If that's indeed the case, I'm attaching a dirty patch, but please bear in mind that I've never worked with roff documents before, so don't get too mad at me if it's not quite all right (it seemed to produce a fine output in man(1), at least). Cheers, Luchesar P.S. I inserted the information between the userdel and usershow notes, because that seems to be the order in SYNOPSIS. The text itself is shamelessly stolen from the GROUP OPTIONS section; it's pretty brief, but probably enough. 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format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFupnleLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42IR4hRV1n21ZbqfweY3Qhbnj6hbnDrTxWrx pu8wowOzx4xP81k8ds66yx7AFMVlk5Kak1mWWqRvl8CV8a3tP3vBNJmKNZtmsDUwThbvYuTk kBAwkdi7dB4zhC0mceHeerYuRi4OIYF9jBJbX95lhnA2MEo03J4L5Rxgkrjw5AAjSIuQQAOj xILNViA2i4C2xPJn69lBbDYBFYmZbzaygdgiAsISEyf0gdnMAm4Sy1/2gPUKCwRJTFq2CCzO KWAv8XrGZrAzeIHs5609UPPtJD6+XsoKYosK6Eis3j+FBaJGUOLkzCcsEDMtJf6t/cU6gVFw FpLULCSpBYxMqxhlU3KrdHMTM3OKU5N1i5MT8/JSi3TN9HIzS/RSU0o3MYJClt1FeQfjn4NK hxgFOBiVeHgzpaf7CbEmlhVX5h5ilORgUhLlvbYRKMSXlJ9SmZFYnBFfVJqTWnyIUYKDWUmE d2YbUI43JbGyKrUoHyYlzcGiJM4rs9PBT0ggPbEkNTs1tSC1CCYrw8GhJMFrAoxNIcGi1PTU irTMnBKENBMHJ8hwHqDhuzaBDC8uSMwtzkyHyJ9itOd43HnoJCPH3KkgctJsEHlpydGTjEIs efl5qVLivG4gowVA2jJK8+Amw9LRK0ZxoEeFeQ1AqniAqQxu9iugtUxAa1dLg60tSURISTUw rn+0h/Ffe6eG42GhKx9rTjqYfr2anH3hB1/9DaczUuKbDB5bHyiIsdC9dX/d9j86anxme/Uv lbhMTI7dHD5FfOMEh+mHZi/4s/7RhhP3bMwyrGY650v8seTpE51120F+whav0PB0qRs6Rg7X tHfc2Rtc6543IeGaGIPuG1YG90rO81q8n6d9VGIpzkg01GIuKk4EACfUEB4iAwAA Cc: Niclas Zeising , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/160696: style(9) should be mentioned in the devs' handbook X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 04:04:59 -0000 On Wed, 12 Oct 2011, Niclas Zeising wrote: > The following reply was made to PR docs/160696; it has been noted by GNATS. > > From: Niclas Zeising > To: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org, radiomlodychbandytow@o2.pl > Cc: > Subject: Re: docs/160696: style(9) should be mentioned in the devs' handbook > Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:29:19 +0200 > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --------------090008080408060608000208 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Hi! > Here is a patch that adds a section to the source tree guidelines and > policies chapter of the developer's handbook about code style, with > links to relevant manual pages. It has not been build tested yet, since > I'm away from my build environment. > -- > Niclas Zeising > > --------------090008080408060608000208 > Content-Type: text/plain; > name="doc.developers-handbook.policies.chapter.sgml.diff" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="doc.developers-handbook.policies.chapter.sgml.diff" > > Index: en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/policies/chapter.sgml > =================================================================== > RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/policies/chapter.sgml,v > retrieving revision 1.37 > diff -u -d -r1.37 chapter.sgml > --- en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/policies/chapter.sgml 7 May 2010 06:33:09 -0000 1.37 > +++ en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/policies/chapter.sgml 12 Oct 2011 10:22:12 -0000 > @@ -24,6 +24,19 @@ > > This chapter documents various guidelines and policies in force for > the FreeBSD source tree. > + > + > + Style Guidlines > + style > + > + In a big programming project like the &os; project, it is important > + that everybody involved adheres to the same coding style. This ensures > + that all code looks consistent, and will improve the ability for people > + in the project to read and understand the source. In &os; there are > + two manual pages describing the code style to adhere to. These are > + &man.style.9; and &man.style.Makefile.5;, for c code and make files, C is capitalized, of course. The overall paragraph feels a bit odd, though; maybe like it's written in a more informal style than I would expect? A more standard dry, technical writing version might be: %%%%%%%%%% When working in a large codebase such as the &os; source, it is important to adhere to a common coding style. This provides uniformity amongst the entire code, improving the ability of developers to read, understand, and modify the source without needing to become familiar with different conventions in different areas of the tree. The coding style in use for &os; is described in two manual pages, &man.style.9; and &man.style.Makefile.5;, for C code and makefiles respectively — note that style guidelines are implicit in the formatting of example code as well as in rules that are explicitly mentioned. %%%%%%%%%% Hmm, is it "make file" or "makefile" in this usage? (I presume it does not get capitalized unless it is a Makefile or something like that ...) -Ben > + respectively. > + > > > <makevar>MAINTAINER</makevar> on Makefiles From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 14 04:36:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD71106566B for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 04:36:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C8B28FC13 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 04:36:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p9E4Dj0i051221; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:13:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id p9E4DjkZ051218; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:13:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:13:45 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Benjamin Kaduk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <201110121030.p9CAUDxd032245@freefall.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:13:45 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Niclas Zeising , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/160696: style(9) should be mentioned in the devs' handbook X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 04:36:32 -0000 On Fri, 14 Oct 2011, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > The overall paragraph feels a bit odd, though; maybe like it's written in a > more informal style than I would expect? A more standard dry, technical > writing version might be: > %%%%%%%%%% > When working in a large codebase such as the &os; source, it is > important to adhere to a common coding style. This provides uniformity ^^^^^^ "conform" might be better here. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 14 05:26:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E39901065670 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 05:26:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F24A8FC12 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 05:26:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p9E5Q4c3051516; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 23:26:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id p9E5Q4GI051513; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 23:26:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 23:26:04 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Benjamin Kaduk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <201110121030.p9CAUDxd032245@freefall.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 13 Oct 2011 23:26:04 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Niclas Zeising , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/160696: style(9) should be mentioned in the devs' handbook X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 05:26:06 -0000 On Thu, 13 Oct 2011, Warren Block wrote: > On Fri, 14 Oct 2011, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > >> The overall paragraph feels a bit odd, though; maybe like it's written in a >> more informal style than I would expect? A more standard dry, technical >> writing version might be: >> %%%%%%%%%% >> When working in a large codebase such as the &os; source, it is >> important to adhere to a common coding style. This provides uniformity > ^^^^^^ > "conform" might be better here. That's "conform" might be better than "adhere", sorry. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 14 05:58:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A22611065670 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 05:58:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanegomi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 590358FC18 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 05:58:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qadz30 with SMTP id z30so766239qad.13 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:58:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MqbTq3TgAGAnxGGqQ6WreNWSahIQRGgRJEBbbA6VJDQ=; b=a0xdhDEkbvXna24C4EUufnteZACzA0B4V2+ePvon3SLceoAv2pAKhb6xLPqutIXUmQ s+aNXnVJXqJgA7KtzUya9Qn8QxVOl0F07RoJFwXIsAboTcZ5rxM7PhyjglY72v/oc9Ce 5B3p4eDl05tCxyd4f5B+a3VgKdNnS8H0p/aJs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.213.2 with SMTP id gu2mr5695786qab.85.1318570031513; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.74.82 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:27:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201110121030.p9CAUDxd032245@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:27:11 -0700 Message-ID: From: Garrett Cooper To: Warren Block Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Niclas Zeising , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/160696: style(9) should be mentioned in the devs' handbook X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 05:58:39 -0000 On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Warren Block wrote: > On Fri, 14 Oct 2011, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > >> The overall paragraph feels a bit odd, though; maybe like it's written i= n >> a more informal style than I would expect? =A0A more standard dry, techn= ical >> writing version might be: >> %%%%%%%%%% >> When working in a large codebase such as the &os; source, it is >> important to adhere to a common coding style. =A0This provides uniformit= y > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 ^^^^^^ > "conform" might be better here. I'm usually not touchy feely about wording like this, but unless the rest of the document is worded in such a standoffish / cold manner, I would just keep things polite and neutral. "Conform" sounds really pushy and "When working in a..." sounds condescending in my opinion. Saying something like "The &os; project has a number of established procedures, one of which is a common coding style." may or may not be better, as it's common practice for projects to have a style document and this is more or less just serving as a pointer to that documentation. Thanks, -Garrett From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 14 06:37:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED556106564A for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 06:37:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C5FD8FC08 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 06:37:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p9E6bT18051776; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:37:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id p9E6bTIE051773; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:37:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:37:29 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Garrett Cooper In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <201110121030.p9CAUDxd032245@freefall.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-902635197-1056568125-1318574249=:51585" X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:37:29 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Niclas Zeising , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/160696: style(9) should be mentioned in the devs' handbook X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 06:37:31 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---902635197-1056568125-1318574249=:51585 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Thu, 13 Oct 2011, Garrett Cooper wrote: > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Warren Block wrote: >> On Fri, 14 Oct 2011, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: >> >>> The overall paragraph feels a bit odd, though; maybe like it's written in >>> a more informal style than I would expect?  A more standard dry, technical >>> writing version might be: >>> %%%%%%%%%% >>> When working in a large codebase such as the &os; source, it is >>> important to adhere to a common coding style.  This provides uniformity >> >>               ^^^^^^ >> "conform" might be better here. > > I'm usually not touchy feely about wording like this, but unless the > rest of the document is worded in such a standoffish / cold manner, I > would just keep things polite and neutral. "Conform" sounds really > pushy and "When working in a..." sounds condescending in my opinion. Here's a rewrite: Consistent coding style is extremely important, particularly with large projects like &os;. Code should follow the &os; coding styles described in &man.style.9;, and &man.style.Makefile.5;. As an alternate: We know you've developed some fancy coding style of your own. So has everybody else. Hundreds of people, maybe even thousands, have contributed to &os;, and mixing all those different styles results in a mess. So we're sorry, but do it as shown in &man.style.9; and &man.style.Makefile.5; if you want your code to be accepted. ---902635197-1056568125-1318574249=:51585-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 14 07:02:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57164106564A for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 07:02:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanegomi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 157958FC1D for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 07:02:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qadz30 with SMTP id z30so785917qad.13 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:02:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yMriOmADCgJ7yIwtPeMNZdLA3e1cXsUOdHO0UplNYps=; b=bsmrEvXa2Sij1M40iRer4i2zx3XePjyINoufWKyLpqcIfzSEAhRhF4MB2qjgK9sexN r6b3iFKT21X0GCtgHgw588MFA+094UTo3UIauIGmvv8Bxlq4JcXuHN2T/AhCJ8aAfQxt YksSvQ5LoMmBncJD3BPwXm34U5YfbNRkIiRlE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.213.2 with SMTP id gu2mr5892651qab.85.1318575742368; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.74.82 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:02:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201110121030.p9CAUDxd032245@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:02:22 -0700 Message-ID: From: Garrett Cooper To: Warren Block Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Niclas Zeising , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/160696: style(9) should be mentioned in the devs' handbook X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 07:02:23 -0000 On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:37 PM, Warren Block wrote: > On Thu, 13 Oct 2011, Garrett Cooper wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Warren Block wrote= : >>> >>> On Fri, 14 Oct 2011, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: >>> >>>> The overall paragraph feels a bit odd, though; maybe like it's written >>>> in >>>> a more informal style than I would expect? =A0A more standard dry, >>>> technical >>>> writing version might be: >>>> %%%%%%%%%% >>>> When working in a large codebase such as the &os; source, it is >>>> important to adhere to a common coding style. =A0This provides uniform= ity >>> >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 ^^^^^^ >>> "conform" might be better here. >> >> I'm usually not touchy feely about wording like this, but unless the >> rest of the document is worded in such a standoffish / cold manner, I >> would just keep things polite and neutral. "Conform" sounds really >> pushy and "When working in a..." sounds condescending in my opinion. > > Here's a rewrite: > > Consistent coding style is extremely important, particularly with > =A0large projects like &os;. =A0Code should follow the &os; coding styles > =A0described in &man.style.9;, and &man.style.Makefile.5;. Sounds ok. > As an alternate: > > We know you've developed some fancy coding style of your own. =A0So > =A0has everybody else. =A0Hundreds of people, maybe even thousands, have > =A0contributed to &os;, and mixing all those different styles results in > =A0a mess. =A0So we're sorry, but do it as shown in &man.style.9; =A0and > =A0&man.style.Makefile.5; if you want your code to be accepted. :]. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 14 14:16:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFD5C1065670 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:16:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97E1E8FC08 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:16:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p9EEGq82053770; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 08:16:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id p9EEGqXY053767; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 08:16:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 08:16:52 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Garrett Cooper In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <201110121030.p9CAUDxd032245@freefall.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII; FORMAT=flowed Content-ID: X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 14 Oct 2011 08:16:52 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Niclas Zeising , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/160696: style(9) should be mentioned in the devs' handbook X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:16:54 -0000 On Fri, 14 Oct 2011, Warren Block wrote: > Consistent coding style is extremely important, particularly with > large projects like &os;. Code should follow the &os; coding styles > described in &man.style.9;, and &man.style.Makefile.5;. Oops, s/&man.style.9;,/&man.style.9;/ From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 14 15:40:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90FB1106564A for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:40:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5419C8FC0A for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:40:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9EFe4jv070352 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:40:04 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p9EFe4Ko070351; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:40:04 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:40:04 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <201110141540.p9EFe4Ko070351@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, "Luchesar V. ILIEV" Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E6A106566C for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:36:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from red.freebsd.org (red.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 414168FC13 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:36:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from red.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by red.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9EFatZa032611 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:36:55 GMT (envelope-from nobody@red.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by red.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p9EFatHd032610; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:36:55 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <201110141536.p9EFatHd032610@red.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:36:55 GMT From: "Luchesar V. ILIEV" To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-3.1 Cc: Subject: docs/161588: Missing "-l name" option from pw(8) USER section X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:40:04 -0000 >Number: 161588 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Missing "-l name" option from pw(8) USER section >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Oct 14 15:40:03 UTC 2011 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Luchesar V. ILIEV >Release: stable/8, stable/9, head >Organization: i.dea.is >Environment: Irrelevant. >Description: The "-l name" option to "pw usermod" is mentioned in the SYNOPSIS section of usr.sbin/pw/pw.8 man page, but there's no detailed information about it in the USER OPTIONS section -- unlike the respective option to "pw groupmod", which is documented in GROUP OPTIONS. The option itself is working as expected, and usr.sbin/pw/pw.c's short help also lists it. >How-To-Repeat: % man 8 pw >Fix: A basic patch for usr.sbin/pw/pw.8 is attached. Patch attached with submission follows: --- pw.8.orig 2011-09-29 22:07:38.644980000 +0300 +++ pw.8 2011-10-14 01:06:09.154416254 +0300 @@ -714,6 +714,17 @@ system. .Pp The +.Ar usermod +command adds one additional option: +.Bl -tag -width "-G grouplist" +.It Fl l Ar name +This option allows changing of an existing account name to +.Ql \&name . +The new name must not already exist, and any attempt to duplicate an existing account +name will be rejected. +.El +.Pp +The .Ar usershow command allows viewing of an account in one of two formats. By default, the format is identical to the format used in >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 14 15:52:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA1AF106566B for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:52:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mikel.king@olivent.com) Received: from mail.olivent.com (mail.olivent.com [75.99.82.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B9D28FC19 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:52:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.olivent.com (Kerio Connect 7.0.0 patch 1) (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher AES128-SHA (128 bits)); Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:22:13 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: mikel king In-Reply-To: <20111013203815.GA77278@slackbox.erewhon.net> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:22:13 -0400 Message-Id: <70234D79-9531-4E6B-AF33-2A399BC0057C@olivent.com> References: <20111013203815.GA77278@slackbox.erewhon.net> To: Roland Smith X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:52:28 -0000 On Oct 13, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Roland Smith wrote: > With the recent death of Dennis Ritchie, we've lost one of the giants = on whose > shoulders we are standing. But rather that mourn his passing, I think = it would > be proper to remember and celebrate his achievements. >=20 > His contributions to the C language and the UNIX operating system are = a > legacy that few can match. >=20 > Therefore I would like to propose that the FreeBSD project dedicate = the > upcoming 9.0 release in his memory. >=20 > Alternatively, an tribute on the FreeBSD website would be fitting, = wouldn't it? >=20 > Roland > --=20 > R.F.Smith = http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ > [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much = appreciated] > pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: = C321A725) I have placed a notice on BSD News about this suggestion and hopefully = we can get the attention of the developer community. Regards, Mikel King BSD News Network http://bsdnews.net skype: mikel.king http://twitter.com/mikelking From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 14 15:55:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BBFD106566B for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:55:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luchesar.iliev@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E224F8FC12 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:55:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyd10 with SMTP id 10so1600954eyd.13 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 08:55:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version :openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wpcFC+eOgeMk+falehfCE0XKFMqcN3NYLRn1R7lQtRA=; b=vA0DM5+2Pj+OZQ19YZknQlSVN1BlXT6B8KnPWAdkGCp9o39OL7+5vDYKkqkkZsNR0x a1/3539sXWx2bX0TY70zcpxs/c2F2IUfTENCCQSlw9XOxhTuikd5YDsJ1NZJXANF4jtN /bvf4rC7Ae8U/7ir2IwEuXsddYz7cd1z+sVPk= Received: by 10.223.75.25 with SMTP id w25mr5039764faj.15.1318607653561; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 08:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [79.124.93.41] ([79.124.93.41]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w14sm4388031fae.13.2011.10.14.08.54.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 14 Oct 2011 08:54:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E985B20.9040703@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 18:54:08 +0300 From: "Luchesar V. ILIEV" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111002 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: <4E9767E4.8070000@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E9767E4.8070000@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: undefined OpenPGP: id=9A1FEEFF; url=https://cert.acad.bg/pgp-keys/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Missing "-l" option from pw(8) USER section X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:55:07 -0000 On 14/10/2011 01:36, Luchesar V. ILIEV wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Apologies if that has been discussed before; the search didn't > yield anything useful, but I might have missed something. > > I noticed today that the "-l" option is missing from pw.8 man page, > at least in HEAD, stable/9 and stable/8. The option is mentioned in > the SYNOPSIS, but there's no information about it in the USER > OPTIONS section, unlike the respective option in GROUP OPTIONS. > > I went briefly through both pw.8's and pw.c's history, but could > not find any clues. The option itself is working as expected, and > pw.c's short help also mentions it, so I assume it somehow got > overlooked, rather than being intentionally omitted. > > If that's indeed the case, I'm attaching a dirty patch, but please > bear in mind that I've never worked with roff documents before, so > don't get too mad at me if it's not quite all right (it seemed to > produce a fine output in man(1), at least). > > Cheers, Luchesar > > P.S. I inserted the information between the userdel and usershow > notes, because that seems to be the order in SYNOPSIS. The text > itself is shamelessly stolen from the GROUP OPTIONS section; it's > pretty brief, but probably enough. I guess the whole page might > benefit from some examples, but that's obviously a separate topic > for discussion. > I just realized it might be better to simply open a PR... http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=161588 Cheers, Luchesar From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 14 18:24:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD77106564A; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 18:24:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from smtp6-g21.free.fr (unknown [IPv6:2a01:e0c:1:1599::15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA088FC13; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 18:24:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emphyrio.blackend.org (unknown [88.179.1.53]) by smtp6-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92269823F8; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 20:23:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from emphyrio.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by emphyrio.blackend.org (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9EIPjYc002126; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 20:25:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@emphyrio.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by emphyrio.blackend.org (8.14.5/8.14.4/Submit) id p9EIPjsF002125; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 20:25:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 20:25:44 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20111014182544.GA1970@emphyrio.blackend.org> References: <20111004195317.GA2003@emphyrio.blackend.org> <20111009085833.GA2006@emphyrio.blackend.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20111009085833.GA2006@emphyrio.blackend.org> X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: doceng@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: retag of the doc tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 18:24:05 -0000 --82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Oct 09, 2011 at 10:58:33AM +0200, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > On Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 09:53:17PM +0200, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > > Hello, > >=20 > > Since the 9.0-R schedule is slipping I plan to retag the doc tree > > on 8 October, 2011 and then commit updated doc ports. > > If you have something important to add (I think about docs related to > > 9.0-R installation for example) please go for it. > > >=20 > A new bsdintaller chapter has been added and ports features freeze is > scheduled for the 17th. So I'm going to push the retag to the 14 > October, 2011 [*] this will let (I hope) some time to translators to upda= te > their docs and time for the others to fix what need to be corrected in > that new chapter. >=20 > [*]: Why 14th and not 17th, just cause after the tag the docs ports have > to be rebuilded, committed and the distfiles propagated. > The doc tree has been retagged for 9.0-RELEASE. A big thanks for the persons who helped for the new bsdintaller chapter. --=20 Marc --82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFOmH6nzQ9RwE+OdOgRApo5AKCIfddZMGWFQP3jl2HIPzg0k4f5sACdHpCp o8l+MTqNoCeNRR2vvk8+6Ig= =aTXw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 14 23:30:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 193001065672 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 23:30:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D16778FC1B for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 23:30:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9ENU3QG039924 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 23:30:03 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p9ENU35h039923; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 23:30:03 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 23:30:03 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <201110142330.p9ENU35h039923@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Jeremy Huddleston Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89CE7106564A for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 23:24:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from red.freebsd.org (red.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A1368FC0C for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 23:24:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from red.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by red.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9ENOKWB067797 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 23:24:20 GMT (envelope-from nobody@red.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by red.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p9ENOKvF067791; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 23:24:20 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <201110142324.p9ENOKvF067791@red.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 23:24:20 GMT From: Jeremy Huddleston To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-3.1 Cc: Subject: docs/161673: mkdir(2) doesn't discuss EISDIR X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 23:30:04 -0000 >Number: 161673 >Category: docs >Synopsis: mkdir(2) doesn't discuss EISDIR >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Oct 14 23:30:03 UTC 2011 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Jeremy Huddleston >Release: 8.1 >Organization: Apple Inc >Environment: FreeBSD freebsd8.apple.com 8.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE #0: Mon Jul 19 02:36:49 UTC 2010 root@mason.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 >Description: mkdir(2) can set errno to EISDIR, but the man page does not discuss this. You can use mkdir(1) to see this: $ mkdir / mkdir: /: Is a directory $ mkdir /var mkdir: /var: File exists >How-To-Repeat: $ mkdir / mkdir: /: Is a directory $ mkdir /var mkdir: /var: File exists >Fix: I would expect EEXIST to be returned for /, but EISDIR was set instead. I guess either update documentation or change the syscall to return EEXIST instead. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 14 23:50:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FFC8106566B for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 23:50:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1C38FC0A for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 23:50:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9ENo9UZ060618 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 23:50:09 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p9ENo9lI060617; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 23:50:09 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 23:50:09 GMT Message-Id: <201110142350.p9ENo9lI060617@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Garrett Cooper Cc: Subject: Re: docs/161673: mkdir(2) doesn't discuss EISDIR X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Garrett Cooper List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 23:50:09 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/161673; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Garrett Cooper To: Jeremy Huddleston Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/161673: mkdir(2) doesn't discuss EISDIR Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 16:42:31 -0700 On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Jeremy Huddleston wro= te: > >>Number: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 161673 >>Category: =A0 =A0 =A0 docs >>Synopsis: =A0 =A0 =A0 mkdir(2) doesn't discuss EISDIR >>Confidential: =A0 no >>Severity: =A0 =A0 =A0 non-critical >>Priority: =A0 =A0 =A0 low >>Responsible: =A0 =A0freebsd-doc >>State: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0open >>Quarter: >>Keywords: >>Date-Required: >>Class: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0doc-bug >>Submitter-Id: =A0 current-users >>Arrival-Date: =A0 Fri Oct 14 23:30:03 UTC 2011 >>Closed-Date: >>Last-Modified: >>Originator: =A0 =A0 Jeremy Huddleston >>Release: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A08.1 >>Organization: > Apple Inc >>Environment: > FreeBSD freebsd8.apple.com 8.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE #0: Mon Jul 19= 02:36:49 UTC 2010 =A0 =A0 root@mason.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/= GENERIC =A0amd64 > >>Description: > mkdir(2) can set errno to EISDIR, but the man page does not discuss this.= =A0You can use mkdir(1) to see this: > > $ mkdir / > mkdir: /: Is a directory > $ mkdir /var > mkdir: /var: File exists > >>How-To-Repeat: > $ mkdir / > mkdir: /: Is a directory > $ mkdir /var > mkdir: /var: File exists > >>Fix: > I would expect EEXIST to be returned for /, but EISDIR was set instead. = =A0I guess either update documentation or change the syscall to return EEXI= ST instead. You aren't the first one to ponder this question: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2009-November/029940.htm= l -Garrett From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 15 01:11:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15CA7106577E; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 01:11:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E24168FC0A; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 01:11:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9F1BZKR055977; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 01:11:35 GMT (envelope-from gjb@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gjb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p9F1BZiG055973; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 01:11:35 GMT (envelope-from gjb) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 01:11:35 GMT Message-Id: <201110150111.p9F1BZiG055973@freefall.freebsd.org> To: gjb@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org From: gjb@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: bin/161673: mkdir(2) doesn't discuss EISDIR X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 01:11:36 -0000 Synopsis: mkdir(2) doesn't discuss EISDIR Class-Changed-From-To: doc-bug->sw-bug Class-Changed-By: gjb Class-Changed-When: Sat Oct 15 01:10:44 UTC 2011 Class-Changed-Why: Based on the provided followup URL, I think this belongs in 'bin', not 'docs'. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->freebsd-bugs Responsible-Changed-By: gjb Responsible-Changed-When: Sat Oct 15 01:10:44 UTC 2011 Responsible-Changed-Why: Based on the provided followup URL, I think this belongs in 'bin', not 'docs'. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=161673 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 15 18:15:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56E4D1065675 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 18:15:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmg@h2.funkthat.com) Received: from h2.funkthat.com (gate.funkthat.com [70.36.235.232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CAFC8FC16 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 18:15:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from h2.funkthat.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by h2.funkthat.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p9FHkgxj097997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 10:46:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg@h2.funkthat.com) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by h2.funkthat.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id p9FHkga0097996 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 10:46:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 10:46:42 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20111015174641.GQ14645@funkthat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE i386 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ X-Resume: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/resume.html X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (h2.funkthat.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 15 Oct 2011 10:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Cc: Subject: minor rewording for committers guide X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 18:15:19 -0000 I was trying to find the repo for the www, but the note IMO was poorly worded, so I have this patch. Should I go ahead and commit? P.S. I'm not on the list, so please include me in the reply. Thanks. Index: article.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/dcvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/committers-guide/article.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.303 diff -u -r1.303 article.sgml --- article.sgml 11 Sep 2011 18:04:15 -0000 1.303 +++ article.sgml 15 Oct 2011 17:40:26 -0000 @@ -304,9 +304,10 @@ CVS but in Subversion. The official and exported trees are not necessarily equal. - Note that the www module containing sources - for the FreeBSD website is - contained within the doc repository. + Note that the sources for the + FreeBSD website are + contained within the www module of the + doc repository. The CVS repositories are hosted on the repository machines. Currently, each of the repositories above reside on the same physical -- John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579 "All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not." From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 15 18:57:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B5D1065670 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 18:57:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 735D58FC19 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 18:57:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-bw0-f54.google.com with SMTP id zu17so1515055bkb.13 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 11:56:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BQEi+lQujbGUPuKOTD2CVJ5EB0L8u4OP71FaKWkNVb4=; b=Sj56CvfdgwAGBRHFiom3ckNcldx7NDMChaVpsSnB35hx1/2JxCWgF3mUm7r6zOe7R3 OyLl0mHLqky9gKkOJlfemdK6l3jL1Wi84bXbg+gn7upQu08xQ3vDiapuewIvnrl89yFl I+BMUTA69wcPKnhE1uWiHNiiPAZ+DrUrUy7a0= Received: by 10.223.63.206 with SMTP id c14mr1347fai.7.1318703531388; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 11:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.150] (athedsl-4364788.home.otenet.gr. [79.130.9.228]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 11sm8218039faf.22.2011.10.15.11.32.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 15 Oct 2011 11:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E99D1AB.9030904@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 21:32:11 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John-Mark Gurney References: <20111015174641.GQ14645@funkthat.com> In-Reply-To: <20111015174641.GQ14645@funkthat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: minor rewording for committers guide X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 18:57:01 -0000 On 15/10/2011 8:46 μμ, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > I was trying to find the repo for the www, but the note IMO was poorly > worded, so I have this patch. Should I go ahead and commit? > > P.S. I'm not on the list, so please include me in the reply. > > Thanks. > > Index: article.sgml > =================================================================== > RCS file: /home/dcvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/committers-guide/article.sgml,v > retrieving revision 1.303 > diff -u -r1.303 article.sgml > --- article.sgml 11 Sep 2011 18:04:15 -0000 1.303 > +++ article.sgml 15 Oct 2011 17:40:26 -0000 > @@ -304,9 +304,10 @@ > CVS but in Subversion. The official > and exported trees are not necessarily equal. > > -Note that thewww module containing sources > - for theFreeBSD website is > - contained within thedoc repository. > +Note that the sources for the > +FreeBSD website are > + contained within thewww module of the > +doc repository. > > The CVS repositories are hosted on the repository machines. > Currently, each of the repositories above reside on the same physical > Looks fine here, I'd say go ahead! manolis@ From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 15 22:53:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AB8A106566C for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 22:53:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kaduk@mit.edu) Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-1.mit.edu (DMZ-MAILSEC-SCANNER-1.MIT.EDU [18.9.25.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4A8B8FC08 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 22:53:08 +0000 (UTC) X-AuditID: 1209190c-b7fd26d0000008df-4e-4e9a0ed389c8 Received: from mailhub-auth-2.mit.edu ( [18.7.62.36]) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-1.mit.edu (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 6C.C9.02271.3DE0A9E4; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 18:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.103]) by mailhub-auth-2.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id p9FMr7Yk029787; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 18:53:07 -0400 Received: from multics.mit.edu (MULTICS.MIT.EDU [18.187.1.73]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id p9FMr543022035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 15 Oct 2011 18:53:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kaduk@localhost) by multics.mit.edu (8.12.9.20060308) id p9FMr4bf014706; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 18:53:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 18:53:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Benjamin Kaduk To: Garrett Cooper In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <201110121030.p9CAUDxd032245@freefall.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (GSO 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-559023410-1032669857-1318719122=:882" Content-ID: X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFjrEKsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUixG6nonuZb5afQfddC4tTZ7pYLd70HWa0 +HXKw2L992WMDiweMz7NZ/HYOesuu8eRjkeMAcxRXDYpqTmZZalF+nYJXBkdC/qYC+7xVRx9 ZdXA2M/TxcjJISFgItG2ZQsjhC0mceHeerYuRi4OIYF9jBILL+9hhnA2MEr8eHeeHcI5wCTx 5PUyqLIGRomZr3eygPSzCGhLXLzwgx3EZhNQkZj5ZiMbiC0ioC5x6cAWoDgHB7NAkcSfD6og YWGBIIlJyxaBlXAKBEos+3QczOYVsJdYP+MZ2EghgUdAy+brgNiiAjoSq/dPYYGoEZQ4OfMJ mM0s4C+x7/YeVgjbXmJR2wa2CYxCs5CUzUJSNgtJGYRtI3F301tGCFtb4v7NNjaYmsPLFzAu YGRbxSibklulm5uYmVOcmqxbnJyYl5dapGuol5tZopeaUrqJERQ9nJI8OxjfHFQ6xCjAwajE wzspa4afEGtiWXFl7iFGSQ4mJVHeFGDsCfEl5adUZiQWZ8QXleakFh9ilOBgVhLhzcya6SfE m5JYWZValA+TkuZgURLnPbjDwU9IID2xJDU7NbUgtQgmK8PBoSTBqw8yVLAoNT21Ii0zpwQh zcTBCTKcB2j4Vl6gGt7igsTc4sx0iPwpRl2OuVMPnWQUYsnLz0uVEue1BhkkAFKUUZoHNweW 9F4xigO9JcyrBVLFA0yYcJNeAS1hAlrySgnkg+KSRISUVANjgYH6ftYjDxmYv5tPv/lX+Nms wI4fnauyNKQUZspfil+s5f+u4dW0Ws8162XNre+bLln67ojDX/mjl14cFIr+/lJla7XEv/bD 0k9uxp/NXijsaHX+69nbm/PCf7wReHvqwjxxo2V3boSX8UfcWcEuYifyZ8nf44vP9TBsCFjG VPzoib+3VNCJMiWW4oxEQy3mouJEAP7xJCFVAwAA Cc: Niclas Zeising , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/160696: style(9) should be mentioned in the devs' handbook X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 22:53:09 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---559023410-1032669857-1318719122=:882 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-15; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-ID: On Fri, 14 Oct 2011, Garrett Cooper wrote: > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:37 PM, Warren Block wrote= : >> On Thu, 13 Oct 2011, Garrett Cooper wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Warren Block wrot= e: >>>> >>>> On Fri, 14 Oct 2011, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: >>>> >>>>> The overall paragraph feels a bit odd, though; maybe like it's writte= n >>>>> in >>>>> a more informal style than I would expect? =A0A more standard dry, >>>>> technical >>>>> writing version might be: >>>>> %%%%%%%%%% >>>>> When working in a large codebase such as the &os; source, it is >>>>> important to adhere to a common coding style. =A0This provides unifor= mity >>>> >>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 ^^^^^^ >>>> "conform" might be better here. >>> >>> I'm usually not touchy feely about wording like this, but unless the >>> rest of the document is worded in such a standoffish / cold manner, I >>> would just keep things polite and neutral. "Conform" sounds really >>> pushy and "When working in a..." sounds condescending in my opinion. >> >> Here's a rewrite: >> >> Consistent coding style is extremely important, particularly with >> =A0large projects like &os;. =A0Code should follow the &os; coding style= s >> =A0described in &man.style.9;, and &man.style.Makefile.5;. > > Sounds ok. No arguments, here. (Well, except for Garrett's mailer's mangling of the whitespace ...) -Ben ---559023410-1032669857-1318719122=:882-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 15 23:10:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FDE11065673 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 23:10:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6018B8FC14 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 23:10:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9FNAAVb008626 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 23:10:10 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p9FNAAuc008625; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 23:10:10 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 23:10:10 GMT Message-Id: <201110152310.p9FNAAuc008625@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: dfilter@FreeBSD.ORG (dfilter service) Cc: Subject: Re: docs/149051: commit references a PR X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: dfilter service List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 23:10:10 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/149051; it has been noted by GNATS. From: dfilter@FreeBSD.ORG (dfilter service) To: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/149051: commit references a PR Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 23:09:29 +0000 (UTC) Author: dim Date: Sat Oct 15 23:09:21 2011 New Revision: 226408 URL: http://svn.freebsd.org/changeset/base/226408 Log: MFC r226310: Add manpage symlink for clang++(1). PR: docs/149051 Approved by: re (kib) Modified: stable/9/usr.bin/clang/clang/Makefile Directory Properties: stable/9/usr.bin/clang/ (props changed) Modified: stable/9/usr.bin/clang/clang/Makefile ============================================================================== --- stable/9/usr.bin/clang/clang/Makefile Sat Oct 15 22:27:59 2011 (r226407) +++ stable/9/usr.bin/clang/clang/Makefile Sat Oct 15 23:09:21 2011 (r226408) @@ -10,6 +10,7 @@ SRCS= cc1_main.cpp \ driver.cpp LINKS= ${BINDIR}/clang ${BINDIR}/clang++ +MLINKS= clang.1 clang++.1 TGHDRS= CC1AsOptions \ CC1Options \ _______________________________________________ svn-src-all@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/svn-src-all To unsubscribe, send any mail to "svn-src-all-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 15 23:22:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 282551065673 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 23:22:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanegomi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A568FC08 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 23:22:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggeq3 with SMTP id q3so2710159gge.13 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 16:22:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8zY5++EOnXf9qPBNmQagpPkTDQS7xau7OBhYGodDxJY=; b=PDC4mVSOxCN54q52VObWGljIEJ0rxxhGPaYNsZ/htyDBjF7DXMk9CNgXLmm3wjbNQi 9pkXojaaTz2Zrbfh+CaRc23wlvPAXoyn8zXAoMu3U3HnIzhmZTmJVPao/3iADpIf16Ld DTiCrP+Cgdi6IKA6smYO+v4SHfni2g51pIG7Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.187.100 with SMTP id fr4mr7818123obc.79.1318720935237; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 16:22:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.182.105 with HTTP; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 16:22:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201110121030.p9CAUDxd032245@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 16:22:15 -0700 Message-ID: From: Garrett Cooper To: Benjamin Kaduk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Niclas Zeising , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/160696: style(9) should be mentioned in the devs' handbook X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 23:22:16 -0000 On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > On Fri, 14 Oct 2011, Garrett Cooper wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:37 PM, Warren Block wrot= e: >>> >>> On Thu, 13 Oct 2011, Garrett Cooper wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Warren Block >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 14 Oct 2011, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The overall paragraph feels a bit odd, though; maybe like it's writt= en >>>>>> in >>>>>> a more informal style than I would expect? =A0A more standard dry, >>>>>> technical >>>>>> writing version might be: >>>>>> %%%%%%%%%% >>>>>> When working in a large codebase such as the &os; source, it i= s >>>>>> important to adhere to a common coding style. =A0This provides >>>>>> uniformity >>>>> >>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 ^^^^^^ >>>>> "conform" might be better here. >>>> >>>> I'm usually not touchy feely about wording like this, but unless the >>>> rest of the document is worded in such a standoffish / cold manner, I >>>> would just keep things polite and neutral. "Conform" sounds really >>>> pushy and "When working in a..." sounds condescending in my opinion. >>> >>> Here's a rewrite: >>> >>> Consistent coding style is extremely important, particularly with >>> =A0large projects like &os;. =A0Code should follow the &os; coding styl= es >>> =A0described in &man.style.9;, and &man.style.Makefile.5;. >> >> Sounds ok. > > No arguments, here. > (Well, except for Garrett's mailer's mangling of the whitespace ...) I think we can all agree that Gmail is pretty braindead when used from the web interface.. -Garrett