From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 00:23:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80DCF106564A for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 00:23:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 523238FC08 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 00:23:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B05FDE80458; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:23:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:23:00 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20110220002300.GA21231@thought.org> References: <20110219233736.GA20393@thought.org> <20110219235240.GA2495@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110219235240.GA2495@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: Subject: Re: variable line-display pager? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 00:23:01 -0000 On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 03:52:40PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth Gary Kline on Saturday, 19 February 2011: > > Need help findind a way of using existing unix utilities to diplay > > chunks of N lines of a text files. Here N <= the number of lines in > > the file. > > > > For instance, say that my xterm/console/"Konsole" is 80x53 lines. > > My text file is around 200 lines long and I want to use more or less > > or some GUI pager to display only 15 lines at one time. Tapping the > > space bar would display another 15 lines and so on until EOF. Is > > there a way of doing with with flags of the existing /usr/bin/less > > or is there some other pager that I can build? > > > > thanks, > > > > gary > > > > > > > > -- > > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix > > Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org > > The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > The -z option is supposed to do this: > > less -z15 file.txt > > But it appears to work only on the second and successive pages. Oh. So _that's_ why. I tried less -m 15 [because the man pages sais z=N; i just tried what you did with -z15. Full page first time, 15 lines each spacebar thereafter. Zank you, Sir Chip.. Anybody else? I'm loathe to use anything gui, but here's where I'll be happy w ith something GUI THat i can squeeze my "15" or small-n lines' worth into. Can'y believe that there is nothing for all theses years.... I mean, geewhiz! Any idea where I Should look in ports or how to google this? gary > > -- > Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F > http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 00:39:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE6CC1065675 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 00:39:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEAD98FC2B for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 00:39:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C8734E80458; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:39:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:39:40 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20110220003940.GA21886@thought.org> References: <20110219233736.GA20393@thought.org> <20110219235240.GA2495@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110220002300.GA21231@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110220002300.GA21231@thought.org> X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: variable line-display pager? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 00:39:43 -0000 On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 04:23:00PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 03:52:40PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > > Quoth Gary Kline on Saturday, 19 February 2011: > > > Need help findind a way of using existing unix utilities to diplay > > > chunks of N lines of a text files. Here N <= the number of lines in > > > the file. > > > > > > For instance, say that my xterm/console/"Konsole" is 80x53 lines. > > > My text file is around 200 lines long and I want to use more or less > > > or some GUI pager to display only 15 lines at one time. Tapping the > > > space bar would display another 15 lines and so on until EOF. Is > > > there a way of doing with with flags of the existing /usr/bin/less > > > or is there some other pager that I can build? > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > gary > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix > > > Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org > > > The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > The -z option is supposed to do this: > > > > less -z15 file.txt > > > > But it appears to work only on the second and successive pages. > > > > Oh. So _that's_ why. I tried less -m 15 [because the man pages > sais z=N; i just tried what you did with -z15. Full page first > time, 15 lines each spacebar thereafter. > > Zank you, Sir Chip.. Anybody else? I'm loathe to use anything gui, > but here's where I'll be happy w ith something GUI THat i can > squeeze my "15" or small-n lines' worth into. Can'y believe that > there is nothing for all theses years.... I mean, geewhiz! > Any idea where I Should look in ports or how to google this? > > > gary Ha!! I thought there was a way. less and more are the same program with different names and switches. If you do a more with some small-n and a file, it prints those small-n lines to the screen. % more -15 file does what I want. Pretty sure. gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 00:42:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D596E10656B3 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 00:42:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 993BB8FC15 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 00:42:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-22-230-24.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.22.230.24] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PqxN9-0003VP-2R for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:42:00 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:42:00 -0800 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:42:00 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20110220004200.GC2495@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Mailing List References: <20110219233736.GA20393@thought.org> <20110219235240.GA2495@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110220002300.GA21231@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Izn7cH1Com+I3R9J" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110220002300.GA21231@thought.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Cc: Subject: Re: variable line-display pager? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 00:42:06 -0000 --Izn7cH1Com+I3R9J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Gary Kline on Saturday, 19 February 2011: > On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 03:52:40PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > > Quoth Gary Kline on Saturday, 19 February 2011: > > > Need help findind a way of using existing unix utilities to diplay > > > chunks of N lines of a text files. Here N <=3D the number of lines in > > > the file. > > >=20 > > > For instance, say that my xterm/console/"Konsole" is 80x53 lines. > > > My text file is around 200 lines long and I want to use more or less > > > or some GUI pager to display only 15 lines at one time. Tapping the= =20 > > > space bar would display another 15 lines and so on until EOF. Is > > > there a way of doing with with flags of the existing /usr/bin/less > > > or is there some other pager that I can build? > > >=20 > > > thanks, > > >=20 > > > gary > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > --=20 > > > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Servic= e Unix > > > Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org > > > The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org > > >=20 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freeb= sd.org" > >=20 > > The -z option is supposed to do this: > >=20 > > less -z15 file.txt > >=20 > > But it appears to work only on the second and successive pages. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Oh. So _that's_ why. I tried less -m 15 [because the man pages > sais z=3DN; i just tried what you did with -z15. Full page first > time, 15 lines each spacebar thereafter. >=20 > Zank you, Sir Chip.. Anybody else? I'm loathe to use anything gui, > but here's where I'll be happy w ith something GUI THat i can > squeeze my "15" or small-n lines' worth into. Can'y believe that > there is nothing for all theses years.... I mean, geewhiz! > Any idea where I Should look in ports or how to google this? >=20 >=20 > gary >=20 > >=20 > > --=20 > > Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F > > http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips= .com >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Un= ix > Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org > The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" Is this sort of what you're looking for? #!/usr/bin/env ruby require 'optparse' pagesize =3D 15 optparse =3D OptionParser.new do |opts| opts.banner =3D 'usage: npg [-n pagesize] file...' opts.on('-n', '--numlines pagesize', 'Specify page size in number of line= s') do |n| pagesize =3D n end end begin optparse.parse! rescue OptionParser::InvalidOption, OptionParser::MissingArgument =3D> e puts e puts optparse exit 1 end loop do pagesize.times do if line =3D gets puts line else exit end end print "More..." STDIN.getc end --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com --Izn7cH1Com+I3R9J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNYGNYAAoJEIpckszW26+Rer0H/03JJKNuZTCHKoqnFXPxAxIa TUbDty2yTjsOSdVrGojWVb+5tYMqBhWItE2go1TyyVp9EsGjPfBdFBo+ZoYDcvrx 64jIkOCibQ5vZQF4LGwxlRHQrRCZAemucWO1nTD1w2r3ILe+nA8YqNCX5GTn6HsD vuR+FmokUv9jfaV6I+asC5oyABk1blzf611dUvuQcI28FcOpoSx7R3TErbCnyc2+ BlC6+1GI4Uno7zaR1MKFkswn6Q4G9tc7iemz1Ay8sLRFBJDW14e/H0VutTXjLuSI OD7UJRwq9nXoAxepGnw8bi4sytkokzADKRf7LydSLyW/fo483fLJao+KfDsRPWY= =+t2n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Izn7cH1Com+I3R9J-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 00:44:37 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C01DE1065694 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 00:44:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E1268FC16 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 00:44:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-22-230-24.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.22.230.24] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PqxPb-0003kz-Hn for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:44:32 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:44:32 -0800 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:44:32 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20110220004432.GD2495@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Mailing List References: <20110219233736.GA20393@thought.org> <20110219235240.GA2495@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110220002300.GA21231@thought.org> <20110220004200.GC2495@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HWvPVVuAAfuRc6SZ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110220004200.GC2495@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Cc: Subject: Re: variable line-display pager? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 00:44:37 -0000 --HWvPVVuAAfuRc6SZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Chip Camden on Saturday, 19 February 2011: > Quoth Gary Kline on Saturday, 19 February 2011: > > On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 03:52:40PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > > > Quoth Gary Kline on Saturday, 19 February 2011: > > > > Need help findind a way of using existing unix utilities to diplay > > > > chunks of N lines of a text files. Here N <=3D the number of lines= in > > > > the file. > > > >=20 > > > > For instance, say that my xterm/console/"Konsole" is 80x53 lines. > > > > My text file is around 200 lines long and I want to use more or less > > > > or some GUI pager to display only 15 lines at one time. Tapping th= e=20 > > > > space bar would display another 15 lines and so on until EOF. Is > > > > there a way of doing with with flags of the existing /usr/bin/less > > > > or is there some other pager that I can build? > > > >=20 > > > > thanks, > > > >=20 > > > > gary > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > --=20 > > > > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Serv= ice Unix > > > > Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org > > > > The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org > > > >=20 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@fre= ebsd.org" > > >=20 > > > The -z option is supposed to do this: > > >=20 > > > less -z15 file.txt > > >=20 > > > But it appears to work only on the second and successive pages. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Oh. So _that's_ why. I tried less -m 15 [because the man pages > > sais z=3DN; i just tried what you did with -z15. Full page first > > time, 15 lines each spacebar thereafter. > >=20 > > Zank you, Sir Chip.. Anybody else? I'm loathe to use anything gui, > > but here's where I'll be happy w ith something GUI THat i can > > squeeze my "15" or small-n lines' worth into. Can'y believe that > > there is nothing for all theses years.... I mean, geewhiz! > > Any idea where I Should look in ports or how to google this? > >=20 > >=20 > > gary > >=20 > > >=20 > > > --=20 > > > Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F > > > http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipsti= ps.com > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --=20 > > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service = Unix > > Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org > > The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd= .org" >=20 > Is this sort of what you're looking for? >=20 > #!/usr/bin/env ruby > require 'optparse' >=20 > pagesize =3D 15 >=20 > optparse =3D OptionParser.new do |opts| > opts.banner =3D 'usage: npg [-n pagesize] file...' >=20 > opts.on('-n', '--numlines pagesize', 'Specify page size in number of li= nes') do |n| > pagesize =3D n.to_i > end >=20 > end >=20 > begin > optparse.parse! > rescue OptionParser::InvalidOption, OptionParser::MissingArgument =3D> e > puts e > puts optparse > exit 1 > end >=20 > loop do > pagesize.times do > if line =3D gets > puts line > else > exit > end > end > print "More..." > STDIN.getc > end >=20 > --=20 > Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F > http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.c= om Oops -- code corrected above. --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com --HWvPVVuAAfuRc6SZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNYGPwAAoJEIpckszW26+RGN4H+gIZxb1LN3fZPBSXzYR0ic0l cmo+p18mmV4WHB3JX8+Dm9jnS4qvVEsgpZNDORhm00y0vYsHc8hT4Qik6VdaIIHi yH5lEalcChioSECk2sNts0U1Bhfp9P61WOrDSDQUyReShWkQKya/phEn5XK4Fy4A 9dWZT6QPJU0Nlgm+7hPRb65CLwD4fiGqKoMdBhLoVfZG0LVdaJ8X9z5ZmecqtSdU o6SFceBZdvRcs6eBhS4ddjEEUg/t4qxRhVh3FMsSNaZrS2Pl50nyTIHMm9de+iho VsYW7NOX2Ht1qDY4wSz9gWwcaDTPDDDNxAtPwSL0VelwDOha7PJ06KA37x+nW7A= =6L3F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --HWvPVVuAAfuRc6SZ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 01:27:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 101161065696 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 01:27:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E27828FC1B for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 01:27:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id p1K1R10k005860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:27:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id p1K1R1d6005859; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:27:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA24512; Sat, 19 Feb 11 17:16:22 PST Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:16:05 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com Message-Id: <4d606b55.AcRKfbxZ17XJjkPO%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <201102192012.p1JKCKnP038248@mail.r-bonomi.com> In-Reply-To: <201102192012.p1JKCKnP038248@mail.r-bonomi.com> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 01:27:03 -0000 Robert Bonomi wrote: > A non-ZFS boot drive results in immediate, _guaranteed_, > down-time for replacement if/when it fails. Not if it is gmirrored and hot-pluggable. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 01:28:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C3C106566B for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 01:28:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 149328FC1B for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 01:28:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1K1S74L053959; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:28:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p1K1S7oj053956; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:28:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:28:07 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Gary Kline In-Reply-To: <20110220002300.GA21231@thought.org> Message-ID: References: <20110219233736.GA20393@thought.org> <20110219235240.GA2495@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110220002300.GA21231@thought.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:28:07 -0700 (MST) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: variable line-display pager? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 01:28:08 -0000 On Sat, 19 Feb 2011, Gary Kline wrote: > Zank you, Sir Chip.. Anybody else? I'm loathe to use anything gui, > but here's where I'll be happy w ith something GUI THat i can > squeeze my "15" or small-n lines' worth into. xterm -geometry 80x18 -e 'less -N /var/log/Xorg.0.log' Why 18 to get 15 lines? One line for the less prompt, maybe two for the title bar on my system. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 03:05:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FAAB106566B for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 03:05:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (asmtp3.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7A938FC14 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 03:05:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p1K35aL9032664; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 03:05:36 GMT Received: from orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (80-45-152-196.static.dsl.as9105.com [80.45.152.196]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p1K35Z4v032660; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 03:05:36 GMT Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 773B233C3D; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 03:05:35 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 03:05:35 +0000 From: Frank Shute To: Harald Servat Message-ID: <20110220030535.GA94347@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="yrj/dFKFPuw6o+aM" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.2-RC2 amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 8.2-PRERELEASE? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 03:05:39 -0000 --yrj/dFKFPuw6o+aM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 04:04:19PM +0100, Harald Servat wrote: > > Hello list, >=20 > yesterday (Feb, 17th) I performed a cvsup (using csup, infact) of my > /usr/src tree using > *default release=3Dcvs tag=3DRELENG_8 > in my csup file (based on the csup > file /usr/share/examples/cvsup/stable-supfile). >=20 > According to [1], RELENG_8_2 and RELENG_8_2_0_RELEASE were created befo= re, > however, running uname ony machine after building world reports "FreeBSD > 8.2-PRERELEASE". I expect it not to show 8.2-PRERELEASE but something new= er > (maybe 8.3-PRERELEASE?) Is uname reporting that I'm stick in some old bit= s? > If so, how can I move to the newer 8.x bits? If not, when does the version > change? >=20 > Thank you! >=20 > [1] http://wiki.freebsd.org/Releng/8.2TODO > --=20 Just keep following RELENG_8 and once the 8.2-RELEASE is done it will become 8.3-STABLE. If you want the release (+ fixes) then you should change your tag to RELENG_8_2 and in a few days you will get the release once it's done. You probably want the second option above if you're a fairly normal user. Regards, --=20 Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html --yrj/dFKFPuw6o+aM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1ghP4ACgkQHduKvUAgeK74pwCgxr7C3wRJjwwKZOeaK4vqJVjB v+kAoKVH5YoBJyUXSysqfq0/d6GsD1c1 =9v/L -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --yrj/dFKFPuw6o+aM-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 03:17:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92C56106566B for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 03:17:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5176C8FC12 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 03:17:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-143-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.143.131]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8BCD3CCD2; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 04:17:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p1K3HPqP002643; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 04:17:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 04:17:25 +0100 From: Polytropon To: David Brodbeck Message-Id: <20110220041725.b2dfa7f4.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <201102190236.p1J2a6cp042442@fire.js.berklix.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 03:17:28 -0000 On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:57:02 -0800, David Brodbeck wrote: > Sometimes there can be activation issues with OEM versions of Windows > XP. They're usually keyed to the manufacturer's BIOS. Not a problem anymore - after 2014. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 03:23:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5198D106564A for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 03:23:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1060F8FC0A for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 03:23:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-143-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.143.131]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0DB3CCA5; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 04:23:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p1K3N3Me002663; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 04:23:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 04:23:03 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Brian Callahan Message-Id: <20110220042303.0f730c6b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <3380813072-1551442120@intranet.com.mx> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 03:23:05 -0000 On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:32:59 -0500, Brian Callahan wrote: > IANAL, but I have been informed by several lawyers that you cannot do > this. The Windows 7 EULA, when preinstalled on a machine, states that > the agreement is between you and the company selling you the computer, > and "By using the Software, you accept these terms. If you do not > accept them, do not use the software. Instead, contact the > manufacturer or installer to determine its return policy. You must > comply with that policy, which might limit your rights or require you > to return the entire system on which the software is installed." > > The major OEMs will say "OK, then you must return the computer," and > you have no option but to comply. This is true for the USA. Erm... and this is NOT a joke? Don't get me wrong, I had a good laugh about this... agreement... but nothing is too absurd to be true. In this specific context, does booting a FreeBSD and removing the "Windows" from the disk is equivalent to "using the soft- ware"? If I understand it correctly, "using" relates to the software, not the hardware. (Yes, I already understood the strange concept that by purchasing a "Windows", either by a shiny package or as preinstalled part of a bundle with PC hardware, you do not own it, you're not allow to do with it as you please, instead you rent a limited right to just "use" it under certain circumstances and terms.) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 03:25:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B859E106564A for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 03:25:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 774E08FC16 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 03:25:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-143-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.143.131]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797233CAB9; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 04:25:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p1K3PnBl002670; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 04:25:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 04:25:49 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Rem P Roberti Message-Id: <20110220042549.3922a8f9.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4D5AE66E.1070603@comcast.net> References: <201102151225.p1FCPQoW094547@fire.js.berklix.net> <4D5AE66E.1070603@comcast.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Stuck X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 03:25:51 -0000 On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:47:42 -0800, Rem P Roberti wrote: > > > NOTE: Slightly OT, but figured it was worth the post. > > > > As a side-note, the config-file will be "cleaned up" before being embedded into the kernel. Meaning "config -x `sysctl -n kern.bootfile`" will rarely ever match the config that was used to generate the kernel in the first place. > > > > Specifically, comments are removed, and if you've nested configs using the "include" statement, redundant and/or conflicting directives will be consolidated. > > > > If you instead wish to embed the kernel config AS-IS, comments and structure remaining in-tact, you should instead: > > > > cd /sys/ARCH/conf > > config -C -g CONFIG > > > > NOTE: `/sys' ought to be a symbolic link to `/usr/src/sys' > > NOTE: ARCH is to be replaced with something like "i386", "amd64", etc. > > NOTE: CONFIG is to be replaced with something like "GENERIC", "PAE", "MYCUSTOMKERNELCONFIG", etc. > > > > Then one simply does the following to compile the kernel: > > > > cd ../../compile/CONFIG > > make depend > > make > > > > BUT... then again not everybody: > > a. compiles their own custom kernels > > b. uses a custom config > > c. needs to be able to extract the config verbatim from the compiled kernel > > > > YNMV (Your Needs May Vary). > > -- > > Devin > > > > > > Not off topic at all, and much appreciated. A lot of what has been > offered as a result of my OP is a bit over my head at this stage of the > game, but much isn't. I'm gaining on it! The procedure described above reminds me to how kernels have been built in the FreeBSD 4 era. Interesting to see that it is -a- still supported and -b- serves a specific purpose that may be intended sometimes. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 05:56:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 299B5106566B for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 05:56:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.60]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E8CEC8FC15 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 05:56:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 1333 invoked by uid 0); 20 Feb 2011 05:56:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2011 05:56:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=VwAU4IDGe4yENBPgSOCcBKHL5BEgXBhzvZcVUmuIe69y4ZqRe68cl2/phXlyYlyMNGixcz4LCmtL8PiPX0ajhL43ndPKq57u/69hemnXsP3Evj2Zm/voVXRlkEJLrN/X; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pr2Hp-00031M-1a for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 22:56:50 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 19 Feb 2011 22:46:15 -0700 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 22:46:15 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20110220054615.GA90008@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Mailing List References: <20110219233736.GA20393@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110219233736.GA20393@thought.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Cc: Subject: Re: variable line-display pager? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 05:56:51 -0000 --OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 03:37:38PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: >=20 > Need help findind a way of using existing unix utilities to diplay > chunks of N lines of a text files. Here N <=3D the number of lines in > the file. >=20 > For instance, say that my xterm/console/"Konsole" is 80x53 lines. > My text file is around 200 lines long and I want to use more or less > or some GUI pager to display only 15 lines at one time. Tapping the=20 > space bar would display another 15 lines and so on until EOF. Is > there a way of doing with with flags of the existing /usr/bin/less > or is there some other pager that I can build? Actually, the more pager should scroll one page at a time, determining a "page" by the size of the console in which it is displayed, if I remember correctly. Just `more filename` and start hitting the spacebar. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1gqqcACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXhJQCgxDCqk+iAIQ+W0kYTihDtnqxG fjYAoOU0tyqmDMxTgG7L5CZG9E9RJSci =0Wi/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 08:05:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C29EF106564A for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:05:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell0.rawbw.com (shell0.rawbw.com [198.144.192.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90AFC8FC13 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:05:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.yuri.org (stunnel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell0.rawbw.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1K8290O063876 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 00:02:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Message-ID: <4D60CB2C.8080402@rawbw.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 00:05:00 -0800 From: Yuri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101211 Thunderbird/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: How older files installed by previous versions of FreeBSD are supposed to be deleted? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:05:01 -0000 I updated my system many times. As a result I have many older libraries with different numbers: /lib/libm.so.4 /lib/libm.so.5 /lib/libutil.so.5 /lib/libutil.so.7 /lib/libutil.so.8 /lib/libutil.so.9 /lib/libc.so.6 /lib/libc.so.7 How older files are normally deleted? Is there a script that finds older versions and deletes them? Otherwise after a while all possible versions will accumulate there. I suspect the same happens under /etc with various renamed/deleted files. Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 08:42:37 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDD6E106566C for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:42:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE9F28FC19 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:42:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4BC0CE80458; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 00:42:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 00:42:35 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20110220084235.GA30569@thought.org> References: <20110219233736.GA20393@thought.org> <20110219235240.GA2495@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110220002300.GA21231@thought.org> <20110220004200.GC2495@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110220004432.GD2495@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110220004432.GD2495@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: Subject: Re: variable line-display pager? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:42:37 -0000 On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 04:44:32PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth Chip Camden on Saturday, 19 February 2011: > > Quoth Gary Kline on Saturday, 19 February 2011: > > > On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 03:52:40PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > > > > Quoth Gary Kline on Saturday, 19 February 2011: > > > > > Need help findind a way of using existing unix utilities to diplay > > > > > chunks of N lines of a text files. Here N <= the number of lines in > > > > > the file. [[ ..... ]] > > > > #!/usr/bin/env ruby > > require 'optparse' > > > > pagesize = 15 > > > > optparse = OptionParser.new do |opts| > > opts.banner = 'usage: npg [-n pagesize] file...' > > > > opts.on('-n', '--numlines pagesize', 'Specify page size in number of lines') do |n| > > pagesize = n.to_i > > end > > > > end > > > > begin > > optparse.parse! > > rescue OptionParser::InvalidOption, OptionParser::MissingArgument => e > > puts e > > puts optparse > > exit 1 > > end > > > > loop do > > pagesize.times do > > if line = gets > > puts line > > else > > exit > > end > > end > > print "More..." > > STDIN.getc > > end > > > > -- > > Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F > > http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com > > > Oops -- code corrected above. > > -- > Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F > http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com Yes, this is much nicer that the more -15 that messes up the text with it's [MORE...] white within black. But here you can't just tap the spacebar; is there a way around that and turning it into a space...? Also, can you insert "^+++" text "^+++" top And bottom? Pretty sure that the user would have the large font to read aloug with that espeak read to hijm. Having the top/bottom delimiters might make scanning the text easier. (It messed up with more. Anyway, thanks foe something that actually works, :_) gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 08:51:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C5B106564A for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:51:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFA3A8FC0A for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:51:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4136DE80458; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 00:51:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 00:51:58 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Warren Block Message-ID: <20110220085158.GB30569@thought.org> References: <20110219233736.GA20393@thought.org> <20110219235240.GA2495@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110220002300.GA21231@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: variable line-display pager? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:51:59 -0000 On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 06:28:07PM -0700, Warren Block wrote: > On Sat, 19 Feb 2011, Gary Kline wrote: > > >Zank you, Sir Chip.. Anybody else? I'm loathe to use anything gui, > >but here's where I'll be happy w ith something GUI THat i can > >squeeze my "15" or small-n lines' worth into. > > xterm -geometry 80x18 -e 'less -N /var/log/Xorg.0.log' > > Why 18 to get 15 lines? One line for the less prompt, maybe two for > the title bar on my system. EGAD! Did I _really_ type 80x18? I *,EANT* 80x48 which is the size of my Konsoles. Some reason, do not know, my mind gets Way ahead of my fingers. -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 09:06:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FB3B106564A for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 09:06:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hskuhra@fastmail.fm) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F0208FC18 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 09:06:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.41]) by gateway1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A432033E for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 04:06:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend2.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.161]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 20 Feb 2011 04:06:43 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=messagingengine.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type; s=smtpout; bh=675DIt2P9oUyjaR4XPgyhm6ecNA=; b=h+Bmpm3q3pn4NJdUAkH99n9QZXMoo6eUAh+LPaS08IQ3hvx+ath342aZcYj9QeVD6SxNEnQ9H0X3qQrglCSSz6c1Rp/TQ0G754GGoSiH8G8l/FK/aOFzXE9DqjsZSEnqdmNsFYcFX6rQDOyNod7OF3LY3VZAKlNj327KHigsE5M= X-Sasl-enc: 4eUGsB+pOkp84mvDkYQfAWeQxPti58jyAoulD3MRV9mc 1298192803 Received: from oslo.ath.cx (d91-128-195-118.cust.tele2.at [91.128.195.118]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 12764445666 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 04:06:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 10:06:43 +0100 Message-ID: <87r5b3rs64.wl%hskuhra@fastmail.fm> From: "Herbert J. Skuhra" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4D60CB2C.8080402@rawbw.com> References: <4D60CB2C.8080402@rawbw.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?UTF-8?B?R29qxY0=?=) APEL/10.8 Emacs/23.2.94 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: How older files installed by previous versions of FreeBSD are supposed to be deleted? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 09:06:45 -0000 On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 00:05:00 -0800 Yuri wrote: > I updated my system many times. > As a result I have many older libraries with different numbers: > /lib/libm.so.4 > /lib/libm.so.5 > > /lib/libutil.so.5 > /lib/libutil.so.7 > /lib/libutil.so.8 > /lib/libutil.so.9 > > /lib/libc.so.6 > /lib/libc.so.7 > > How older files are normally deleted? Is there a script that finds older > versions and deletes them? Otherwise after a while all possible versions > will accumulate there. # cd /usr/src # make delete-old # make delete-old-libs Afterwards you probably have to rebuild many installed ports. > I suspect the same happens under /etc with various renamed/deleted files. % man mergemaster From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 11:25:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03C4F10656AE for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 11:25:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 826998FC0A for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 11:25:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1KBPlZC000779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 11:25:48 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p1KBPlZC000779 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1298201148; bh=/0eE25BwoFR2NrumvSSntqKgf6E1nKGAv5drIB+8TYo=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4D60FA35.2010906@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20S un,=2020=20Feb=202011=2011:25:41=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-US=3B=20r v:1.9.2.13)=20Gecko/20101207=20Thunderbird/3.1.7|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=208.2-PREREL EASE?|References:=20=20<20110220030535.GA94347@orange.esperance-linu x.co.uk>|In-Reply-To:=20<20110220030535.GA94347@orange.esperance-l inux.co.uk>|X-Enigmail-Version:=201.1.1|OpenPGP:=20id=3D60AE908C|C ontent-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20 protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"---- --------enigBF94F4BCD3AF44224962DD9F"; b=hq/ORZ3j+PUHkkGVRQEJQQR2iGFw39wJ7VG+AWGZ+lWEsWYcqpASFlHQ+wH/pWv7O SDYpzYMfmwNto2Harzz1wuQgkyp3BBnxJh5z2TEJl38cL11NjbIgzEypt1tvr6Ufqq q4JysSZiM0A/F21QGJasmDbW8QDHzwxZcYlKDI9E= Message-ID: <4D60FA35.2010906@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 11:25:41 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110220030535.GA94347@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20110220030535.GA94347@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigBF94F4BCD3AF44224962DD9F" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.5 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: 8.2-PRERELEASE? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 11:25:51 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigBF94F4BCD3AF44224962DD9F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 20/02/2011 03:05, Frank Shute wrote: > Just keep following RELENG_8 and once the 8.2-RELEASE is done it will > become 8.3-STABLE. >=20 Well, yes. But not for something like 4 months until the process for releasing 8.3 has happened. Most of the time between now and then, it will appear as 8.2-STABLE Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigBF94F4BCD3AF44224962DD9F Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1g+jsACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxhugCdHeOD0qxsk+nu58q/5lkpLR5R UqIAoJD1OyQyKwF31METYtYyFtNXnl0b =Mw2L -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigBF94F4BCD3AF44224962DD9F-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 14:12:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6664C106566C for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 14:12:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BA788FC15 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 14:12:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p1KEH7bf048132 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:17:07 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:17:07 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201102201417.p1KEH7bf048132@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20110220002300.GA21231@thought.org> Subject: Re: variable line-display pager? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 14:12:05 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 19 18:28:20 2011 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:23:00 -0800 > From: Gary Kline > To: FreeBSD Mailing List > Cc: > Subject: Re: variable line-display pager? > > On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 03:52:40PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > > Quoth Gary Kline on Saturday, 19 February 2011: > > > Need help findind a way of using existing unix utilities to diplay > > > chunks of N lines of a text files. Here N <= the number of lines in > > > the file. > > > > > > For instance, say that my xterm/console/"Konsole" is 80x53 lines. My > > > text file is around 200 lines long and I want to use more or less or > > > some GUI pager to display only 15 lines at one time. Tapping the > > > space bar would display another 15 lines and so on until EOF. Is > > > there a way of doing with with flags of the existing /usr/bin/less or > > > is there some other pager that I can build? > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > gary > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public > > > Service Unix > > > Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org > > > The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To > > > unsubscribe, send any mail to > > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > The -z option is supposed to do this: > > > > less -z15 file.txt > > > > But it appears to work only on the second and successive pages. > > > > Oh. So _that's_ why. I tried less -m 15 [because the man pages sais > z=N; i just tried what you did with -z15. Full page first time, 15 > lines each spacebar thereafter. > > Zank you, Sir Chip.. Anybody else? I'm loathe to use anything gui, but > here's where I'll be happy w ith something GUI THat i can squeeze my > "15" or small-n lines' worth into. Can'y believe that there is nothing > for all theses years.... I mean, geewhiz! Any idea where I Should look > in ports or how to google this? > how hard can it be? stty rows=15; less filename From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 14:38:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B43106566B for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 14:38:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9AF88FC0A for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 14:38:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A269A2845B; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 09:38:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 09:38:43 -0500 From: Daniel Staal To: Andy Wodfer , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <1837CB358903EB8C60F348FA@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <20110219221442.39aacc81@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: How to forward old root mails to an external email address? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 14:38:44 -0000 --As of February 19, 2011 11:39:38 PM +0100, Andy Wodfer is alleged to have said: > Cool. Procmail is now installed, but the procmail.rc file, should that be > placed under root's home folder ie /root/procmail.rc or another user? I > assume root since Daniel's command doesn't specify any users? > > That would mean I'm logged in as root, run the command, formail sends all > mails to procmail which sees the alias in procmail rc and sends the mails > out? Correct? --As for the rest, it is mine. Well, it doesn't have to be root, just $home/.procmailrc of some user that can read /var/mail/root... Otherwise, correct. Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 15:26:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 664CA106566B for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 15:26:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14A598FC1C for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 15:26:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1KFQXpO056525; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:26:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p1KFQW8a056522; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:26:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:26:32 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Gary Kline In-Reply-To: <20110220085158.GB30569@thought.org> Message-ID: References: <20110219233736.GA20393@thought.org> <20110219235240.GA2495@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110220002300.GA21231@thought.org> <20110220085158.GB30569@thought.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:26:33 -0700 (MST) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: variable line-display pager? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 15:26:34 -0000 On Sun, 20 Feb 2011, Gary Kline wrote: > On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 06:28:07PM -0700, Warren Block wrote: >> On Sat, 19 Feb 2011, Gary Kline wrote: >> >>> Zank you, Sir Chip.. Anybody else? I'm loathe to use anything gui, >>> but here's where I'll be happy w ith something GUI THat i can >>> squeeze my "15" or small-n lines' worth into. >> >> xterm -geometry 80x18 -e 'less -N /var/log/Xorg.0.log' >> >> Why 18 to get 15 lines? One line for the less prompt, maybe two for >> the title bar on my system. > > > EGAD! Did I _really_ type 80x18? I *,EANT* 80x48 which is the > size of my Konsoles. Some reason, do not know, my mind gets > Way ahead of my fingers. You didn't, I did. An 80x18 geometry xterm provides 16 lines of text, one for the less prompt. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 16:15:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A64106564A for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 16:15:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mats.w.lindberg@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 121438FC17 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 16:15:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so686169ewy.13 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:15:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer :in-reply-to:message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding :mime-version; bh=8OlanGHi6cv5BjaDoAPmVb/iGpRk/iOCaPGxfnmJFrQ=; b=Uig37uCOmHpKk8MdKACFo8C4UsOptKgNTv2zxTSIpW6YB9m17gaSdCuw41ucWXJfeZ p1wSMTSIC5lUuL1fsbl45/ugV09k3WM1XWY4XMNaf53vn8TSLXVLbwF80FKELQdrfUar zAXWecJVSvl85xO6H+uw6jaX6gZd/smSTiWWY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; b=s5QkZg+Uyhz+FSPUO5ftIMH3R4V4GLH6MmEEMxrE/nuBz2rENoSFA8vl5H1RBihjY1 D3e6FmOil5tipbBcA4N0haqb8DbelDEleE5T5jTYruurYdZq6qzox+Pnd8J9x9PsJoWE v9eMENPoASEEOLzRR3ZN9yysU1VbiIXnw24I8= Received: by 10.213.14.137 with SMTP id g9mr170030eba.69.1298218545624; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:15:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (h139n1fls306o1032.telia.com [81.226.106.139]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t5sm4030721eeh.14.2011.02.20.08.15.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:15:44 -0800 (PST) References: <20110219221457.0E12610656EB@hub.freebsd.org> From: Mats Lindbeg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8C148) In-Reply-To: <20110219221457.0E12610656EB@hub.freebsd.org> Message-Id: <03DE2E55-E3F3-4E20-9142-70C7BEAE81C7@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 17:15:35 +0100 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8C148) Subject: Re: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 350, Issue 10 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 16:15:48 -0000 19 feb 2011 kl. 23:14 skrev freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org: > Send freebsd-questions mailing list submissions to > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >=20 > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org >=20 > You can reach the person managing the list at > freebsd-questions-owner@freebsd.org >=20 > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of freebsd-questions digest..." >=20 >=20 > Today's Topics: >=20 > 1. Re: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD (Matthew Seaman) > 2. Re: booting a kernel directly from stage 1/2 (Matthew Seaman) > 3. Re: booting a kernel directly from stage 1/2 (Alexander Best) > 4. Re: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD (Daniel Staal) > 5. Developing Embedded Network Device on FreeBSD (David) > 6. Re: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD (Matthew Seaman) > 7. Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? (Maciej Milewski) > 8. Re: Developing Embedded Network Device on FreeBSD (Matthew Seaman) > 9. 8.2-PRERELEASE? (Harald Servat) > 10. Re: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD (Daniel Staal) > 11. Re: Developing Embedded Network Device on FreeBSD (David) > 12. Re: Developing Embedded Network Device on FreeBSD (David Lapsley) > 13. Re: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD (krad) > 14. Re: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD (Andy Tornquist) > 15. Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? > (Christopher J. Ruwe) > 16. Re: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD (Robert Bonomi) > 17. Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? (David Brodbeck) > 18. How to forward old root mails to an external email address? > (Andy Wodfer) > 19. Re: How to forward old root mails to an external email > address? (Daniel Staal) > 20. Re: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD (Matthew Seaman) > 21. Re: BSD Magazine PDFs (Alfredo Perez) > 22. Re: How to forward old root mails to an external email > address? (Andy Wodfer) > 23. Re: BSD Magazine PDFs (Mike Jeays) > 24. Re: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD (Daniel Staal) > 25. Re: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD (David Brodbeck) > 26. Can motorola v195 be supported as network interface? (Yuri) > 27. Re: How to forward old root mails to an external email > address? (RW) >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:01:37 +0000 > From: Matthew Seaman > Subject: Re: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD > To: DStaal@usa.net > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <4D5FB121.6090102@infracaninophile.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" >=20 > On 18/02/2011 15:59, Daniel Staal wrote: >>=20 >> I've been reading over the ZFS-only-boot instructions linked here: >> (and further linked from there) and have on= e >> worry: >>=20 >> Let's say I install a FreeBSD system using a ZFS-only filesystem into a >> box with hotswapable hard drives, configured with some redundancy. Time >> passes, one of the drives fails, and it is replaced and rebuilt using the= >> ZFS tools. (Possibly on auto, or possibly by just doing a 'zpool >> replace'.) >>=20 >> Is that box still bootable? (It's still running, but could it *boot*?) >=20 > Why wouldn't it be? The configuration in the Wiki article sets aside a > small freebsd-boot partition on each drive, and the instructions tell > you to install boot blocks as part of that partitioning process. You > would have to repeat those steps when you install your replacement drive > before you added the new disk into your zpool. >=20 > So long as the BIOS can read the bootcode from one or other drives, and > can then access /boot/zfs/zpool.cache to learn about what zpools you > have, then the system should boot. >=20 >> Extend further: If *all* the original drives are replaced (not at the sam= e >> time, obviously) and rebuilt/resilvered using the ZFS utilities, is the >> box still bootable? >=20 > Yes, this will still work. You can even replace all the drives > one-by-one with bigger ones, and it will still work and be bootable (and > give you more space without *requiring* the system be rebooted). >=20 >> If not, what's the minimum needed to support booting from another disk, >> and using the ZFS filesystem for everything else? >=20 > This situation is described in the Boot ZFS system from UFS article > here: http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/UFSBoot >=20 > I use this sort of setup for one system where the zpool has too many > drives in it for the BIOS to cope with; works very well booting from a > USB key. >=20 > In fact, while the partitioning layout described in the > http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS articles is great for holding the OS > and making it bootable, for using ZFS to manage serious quantities of > disk storage, other strategies might be better. It would probably be a > good idea to have two zpools: one for the bulk of the space built from > whole disks (ie. without using gpart or similar partitioning), in > addition to your bootable zroot pool. Quite apart from wringing the > maximum usable space out of your available disks, this also makes it > much easier to replace failed disks or use hot spares. >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Matthew >=20 > --=20 > Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard > Flat 3 > PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate > JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW >=20 > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 267 bytes > Desc: OpenPGP digital signature > Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/attachments/201= 10219/94f7cc99/signature-0001.pgp >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:08:39 +0000 > From: Matthew Seaman > Subject: Re: booting a kernel directly from stage 1/2 > To: Alexander Best > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <4D5FB2C7.7060200@infracaninophile.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" >=20 > On 19/02/2011 02:47, Alexander Best wrote: >> but that won't work. i get some numbers and then it says: >> btx halted or something like that. >=20 > Can't you boot into fixit mode from installation media? That should > allow you to repair the boot blocks and make your system bootable again. >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Matthew >=20 > --=20 > Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard > Flat 3 > PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate > JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW >=20 > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 267 bytes > Desc: OpenPGP digital signature > Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/attachments/201= 10219/bd69a12e/signature-0001.pgp >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:12:42 +0000 > From: Alexander Best > Subject: Re: booting a kernel directly from stage 1/2 > To: Matthew Seaman > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <20110219121242.GA55551@freebsd.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii >=20 > On Sat Feb 19 11, Matthew Seaman wrote: >> On 19/02/2011 02:47, Alexander Best wrote: >>> but that won't work. i get some numbers and then it says: >>> btx halted or something like that. >>=20 >> Can't you boot into fixit mode from installation media? That should >> allow you to repair the boot blocks and make your system bootable again. >=20 > sorry if i wasn't clear enough. my system works perfectly normal. all i wa= nt > is to avoid running through the booting stage 3 (i.e. running /boot/loader= ), > because i want to speed up the boot time. >=20 > cheers. > alex >=20 >>=20 >> Cheers, >>=20 >> Matthew >>=20 >> --=20 >> Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard >> Flat 3 >> PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate >> JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > a13x >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 08:18:00 -0500 > From: Daniel Staal > Subject: Re: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD > To: Matthew Seaman , > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii; format=3Dflowed >=20 > --As of February 19, 2011 12:01:37 PM +0000, Matthew Seaman is alleged to=20= > have said: >=20 >>> Let's say I install a FreeBSD system using a ZFS-only filesystem into a >>> box with hotswapable hard drives, configured with some redundancy. Time= >>> passes, one of the drives fails, and it is replaced and rebuilt using th= e >>> ZFS tools. (Possibly on auto, or possibly by just doing a 'zpool >>> replace'.) >>>=20 >>> Is that box still bootable? (It's still running, but could it *boot*?) >>=20 >> Why wouldn't it be? The configuration in the Wiki article sets aside a >> small freebsd-boot partition on each drive, and the instructions tell >> you to install boot blocks as part of that partitioning process. You >> would have to repeat those steps when you install your replacement drive >> before you added the new disk into your zpool. >>=20 >> So long as the BIOS can read the bootcode from one or other drives, and >> can then access /boot/zfs/zpool.cache to learn about what zpools you >> have, then the system should boot. >=20 > So, assuming a forgetful sysadmin (or someone who is new didn't know about= =20 > the setup in the first place) is that a yes or a no for the one-drive=20 > replaced case? >=20 > It definitely is a 'no' for the all-drives replaced case, as I suspected:=20= > You would need to have repeated the partitioning manually. (And not=20 > letting ZFS handle it.) >=20 >>> If not, what's the minimum needed to support booting from another disk, >>> and using the ZFS filesystem for everything else? >>=20 >> This situation is described in the Boot ZFS system from UFS article >> here: http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/UFSBoot >>=20 >> I use this sort of setup for one system where the zpool has too many >> drives in it for the BIOS to cope with; works very well booting from a >> USB key. >=20 > Thanks; I wasn't sure if that procedure would work if the bootloader was o= n=20 > a different physical disk than the rest of the filesystem. Nice to hear=20= > from someone who's tried it that it works. ;) >=20 >> In fact, while the partitioning layout described in the >> http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS articles is great for holding the OS >> and making it bootable, for using ZFS to manage serious quantities of >> disk storage, other strategies might be better. It would probably be a >> good idea to have two zpools: one for the bulk of the space built from >> whole disks (ie. without using gpart or similar partitioning), in >> addition to your bootable zroot pool. Quite apart from wringing the >> maximum usable space out of your available disks, this also makes it >> much easier to replace failed disks or use hot spares. >=20 > If a single disk failure in the zpool can render the machine unbootable,=20= > it's better yet to have a dedicated bootloader drive: It increases the mea= n=20 > time between failures of your boot device (and therefore your machine), an= d=20 > it reduces the 'gotcha' value. In a hot-swap environment booting directly= =20 > off of ZFS you could fail a reboot a month (or more...) after the disk=20 > replacement, and finding your problem then will be a headache until someon= e=20 > remembers this setup tidbit. >=20 > If the 'fail to boot' only happens once *all* the original drives have bee= n=20 > replaced the mean time between failures is better in the ZFS situation, bu= t=20 > the 'gotcha' value becomes absolutely huge: Since you can replace one (or=20= > two, or more) disks without issue, the problem will likely take years to=20= > develop. >=20 > Ah well, price of the bleeding edge. ;) >=20 > Daniel T. Staal >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------- > This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you > are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use > the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will > expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, > whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of > local copyright law. > --------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 09:04:53 -0500 > From: David > Subject: Developing Embedded Network Device on FreeBSD > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <7E0B1096-3250-4B27-A541-61CA2E5F3F7B@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii >=20 > Hello All: >=20 > I am new to FreeBSD development (I've done some work on NetBSD, but mostly= > on Linux). >=20 > I am developing a COTS-based network appliance. After doing my research, I= 've decided to > use FreeBSD as my development platform. I would like to get my development= environment > to the point where I can build a single ISO image that will contain OS and= application > ready to install. After reading through the handbook, porter's guide, and g= oogling, I think I have > a rough idea of how to do this, but I still have some gaps in how I set th= is up. >=20 > My current understanding is that all of the application specific, user lan= d software should=20 > reside in the ports tree. I have two questions with respect to this: >=20 > 1. If I don't want to publish my software, how do I manage the source (do I= just generate a tarball > on my build machine and place it in DISTDIR?). >=20 > 2. How do I integrate a ports-based application with a "make release" so t= hat I can have my > application binaries and dependancies included on the ISO ready for instal= lation? >=20 > I'd greatly appreciate any pointers. I'm really looking forward to develop= ing > under FreeBSD, but just need a few pointers to get me started. >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > David. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:44:38 +0000 > From: Matthew Seaman > Subject: Re: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD > To: Daniel Staal > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <4D5FD756.5020306@infracaninophile.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" >=20 > On 19/02/2011 13:18, Daniel Staal wrote: >>> Why wouldn't it be? The configuration in the Wiki article sets aside a >>> small freebsd-boot partition on each drive, and the instructions tell >>> you to install boot blocks as part of that partitioning process. You >>> would have to repeat those steps when you install your replacement drive= >>> before you added the new disk into your zpool. >>>=20 >>> So long as the BIOS can read the bootcode from one or other drives, and >>> can then access /boot/zfs/zpool.cache to learn about what zpools you >>> have, then the system should boot. >>=20 >> So, assuming a forgetful sysadmin (or someone who is new didn't know >> about the setup in the first place) is that a yes or a no for the >> one-drive replaced case? >=20 > Umm... a sufficiently forgetful sysadmin can break *anything*. This > isn't really a fair test: forgetting to write the boot blocks onto a > disk could similarly render a UFS based system unbootable. That's why > scripting this sort of stuff is a really good idea. Any new sysadmin > should of course be referred to the copious and accurate documentation > detailing exactly the steps needed to replace a drive... >=20 > ZFS is definitely advantageous in this respect, because the sysadmin has > to do fewer steps to repair a failed drive, so there's less opportunity > for anything to be missed out or got wrong. >=20 > The best solution in this respect is one where you can simply unplug the > dead drive and plug in the replacement. You can do that with many > hardware RAID systems, but you're going to have to pay a premium price > for them. Also, you loose out on the general day-to-day benefits of > using ZFS. >=20 >> It definitely is a 'no' for the all-drives replaced case, as I >> suspected: You would need to have repeated the partitioning manually.=20 >> (And not letting ZFS handle it.) >=20 > Oh, assuming your sysadmins consistently fail to replace the drives > correctly, then depending on your BIOS you can be in deep do-do as far > as rebooting goes rather sooner than that. >=20 >> If a single disk failure in the zpool can render the machine >> unbootable, it's better yet to have a dedicated bootloader drive >=20 > If a single disk failure renders your system unbootable, then you're > doing it wrong. ZFS-root systems should certainly reboot if zfs can > still assemble the root pool -- so with one disk failed for RAIDZ1, or > two for RAIDZ2 or up to half the drives for mirror. >=20 > If this failure to correctly replace broken drives is going to be a > significant problem in your environment, then I guess you're going to > have to define appropriate processes. You might say that in the event > of a hard drive being replaced, it is mandatory to book some planned > downtime at the next convenient point, and do a test reboot + apply any > remedial work needed. If your system design is such that you can't take > any one machine down for maintenance, even with advance warning then > you've got more important problems to solve before you worry about using > ZFS or not. >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Matthew >=20 > --=20 > Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard > Flat 3 > PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate > JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW >=20 > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 267 bytes > Desc: OpenPGP digital signature > Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/attachments/201= 10219/66a8256d/signature-0001.pgp >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:10:16 +0100 > From: Maciej Milewski > Subject: Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Cc: Craig Butler > Message-ID: <201102191610.16919.milu@dat.pl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" >=20 > On Saturday 19 of February 2011 06:12:52, Craig Butler wrote: >> Lenovo destroyed thinkpad in the t410i range; >> * stupid flimsy/flexi keyboard with massive delete and escape keys >> (why ???) > I don't liked it either so I stayed with R400. >> * gobi 2000 3g connectivity, cant get it working on anything none M$ > Have you tried gobi_loader and > http://old.nabble.com/-dev-ttyU0---block-at-open-td29876841.html > ? >=20 > As for the subject - my R400 is working fine and I have no problems with i= t.=20 > Opposite to when I had Lenovo 3000 series(poor performance,hot palm rest=20= > place, poor technical design: plastic cover too thin and too plastic. It m= ade=20 > my lcd with background artefact of the 5cm circle in the centre of the scr= een) > I think this line was transformed into the IdeaPad line > Earlier I had Acer's Travelmate 3012 where it has issues with acpi and ove= rall=20 > performance not to mention surprisingly hot keyboard. >=20 > - > Maciej >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:10:04 +0000 > From: Matthew Seaman > Subject: Re: Developing Embedded Network Device on FreeBSD > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <4D5FDD4C.5050503@infracaninophile.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" >=20 > On 19/02/2011 14:04, David wrote: >> I am new to FreeBSD development (I've done some work on NetBSD, but mostl= y >> on Linux). >>=20 >> I am developing a COTS-based network appliance. After doing my research, I= 've decided to >> use FreeBSD as my development platform. I would like to get my developmen= t environment >> to the point where I can build a single ISO image that will contain OS an= d application >> ready to install. After reading through the handbook, porter's guide, and= googling, I think I have >> a rough idea of how to do this, but I still have some gaps in how I set t= his up. >=20 > Cool. There's pretty good support for building custom install media in > FreeBSD -- see release(7) for starters. >=20 >> My current understanding is that all of the application specific, user la= nd software should=20 >> reside in the ports tree. I have two questions with respect to this: >=20 > They don't *have* to reside in the ports -- it's just that the > advantages of using ports are such that you'ld need a really compelling > reason not to. >=20 > Also, "using the ports" and "using packages" come to pretty much the > same thing in the end. Ports are just a structure for building packages > -- and packages can be in two states: installed into your filesystem, or > collected together as a pkg tarball. >=20 >> 1. If I don't want to publish my software, how do I manage the source (do= I just generate a tarball >> on my build machine and place it in DISTDIR?). >=20 > You can create private ports that you can manage yourself and that > integrate with the regular ports tree pretty easily. In that case, you > should be able to build pre-compiled packages for your software which > you can include on your custom media. It's trickier if you need several > custom ports with dependencies between them, but still doable. >=20 > For a simple custom port, you can create a directory containing a port > Makefile, pkg-descr, pkg-plist etc. etc. anywhere in your filesystem. > Follow the Porter's Handbook for creating your port > (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/) -- > the structure you need is identical to what you'ld write for a port > intended to be committed to the public ports tree. >=20 >> 2. How do I integrate a ports-based application with a "make release" so t= hat I can have my >> application binaries and dependancies included on the ISO ready for insta= llation? >=20 > This is a standard feature when building install media using 'make > release' -- you should even be able to set up a scripted sysinstall that > will do practically everything automatically, including installing your > custom packages. Or check out the new bsdinstall stuff going into > current right about now. >=20 >> I'd greatly appreciate any pointers. I'm really looking forward to develo= ping >> under FreeBSD, but just need a few pointers to get me started. >=20 > You'll find that FreeBSD documentation is rather more comprehensive than > is typical under Linux. Just about everything has a man page, and the > Handbook and various other online publications are generally rated as > excellent. Anything else, the FreeBSD mailing lists or forums can > usually be relied upon to provide answers about. There are specialised > lists for most interesting topics. >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Matthew >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard > Flat 3 > PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate > JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW >=20 > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 267 bytes > Desc: OpenPGP digital signature > Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/attachments/201= 10219/b5bd5a51/signature-0001.pgp >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:04:19 +0100 > From: Harald Servat > Subject: 8.2-PRERELEASE? > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1 >=20 > Hello list, >=20 > yesterday (Feb, 17th) I performed a cvsup (using csup, infact) of my > /usr/src tree using > *default release=3Dcvs tag=3DRELENG_8 > in my csup file (based on the csup > file /usr/share/examples/cvsup/stable-supfile). >=20 > According to [1], RELENG_8_2 and RELENG_8_2_0_RELEASE were created before= , > however, running uname ony machine after building world reports "FreeBSD > 8.2-PRERELEASE". I expect it not to show 8.2-PRERELEASE but something newe= r > (maybe 8.3-PRERELEASE?) Is uname reporting that I'm stick in some old bits= ? > If so, how can I move to the newer 8.x bits? If not, when does the version= > change? >=20 > Thank you! >=20 > [1] http://wiki.freebsd.org/Releng/8.2TODO > --=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > Fry: You can see how I lived before I met you. > Bender: You lived before you met me?! > Fry: Yeah, lots of people did. > Bender: Really?! >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:35:35 -0500 > From: Daniel Staal > Subject: Re: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD > To: Matthew Seaman , > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii; format=3Dflowed >=20 > --As of February 19, 2011 2:44:38 PM +0000, Matthew Seaman is alleged to=20= > have said: >=20 >> Umm... a sufficiently forgetful sysadmin can break *anything*. This >> isn't really a fair test: forgetting to write the boot blocks onto a >> disk could similarly render a UFS based system unbootable. That's why >> scripting this sort of stuff is a really good idea. Any new sysadmin >> should of course be referred to the copious and accurate documentation >> detailing exactly the steps needed to replace a drive... >>=20 >> ZFS is definitely advantageous in this respect, because the sysadmin has >> to do fewer steps to repair a failed drive, so there's less opportunity >> for anything to be missed out or got wrong. >>=20 >> The best solution in this respect is one where you can simply unplug the >> dead drive and plug in the replacement. You can do that with many >> hardware RAID systems, but you're going to have to pay a premium price >> for them. Also, you loose out on the general day-to-day benefits of >> using ZFS. >=20 > --As for the rest, it is mine. >=20 > True, best case is hardware RAID for this specific problem. What I'm=20 > looking at here is basically reducing the surprise: A ZFS pool being used=20= > as the boot drive has the 'surprising' behavior that if you replace a driv= e=20 > using the instructions from the man pages or a naive Google search, you=20= > will have a drive that *appears* to work, until some point later where you= =20 > attempt to reboot your system. (At which point you will need to start=20 > over.) To avoid this you need to read local documentation and/or remember= =20 > that there is something beyond the man pages needs to be done. >=20 > With a normal UFS/etc. filesystem the standard failure recovery systems=20= > will point out that this is a boot drive, and handle as necessary. It wil= l=20 > either work or not, it will never *appear* to work, and then fail at some=20= > future point from a current error. It might be more steps to repair a=20 > specific drive, but all the steps are handled together. >=20 > Basically, if a ZFS boot drive fails, you are likely to get the following=20= > scenario: > 1) 'What do I need to do to replace a disk in the ZFS pool?' > 2) 'Oh, that's easy.' Replaces disk. > 3) System fails to boot at some later point. > 4) 'Oh, right, you need to do this *as well* on the *boot* pool...' >=20 > Where if a UFS boot drive fails on an otherwise ZFS system, you'll get: > 1) 'What's this drive?' > 2) 'Oh, so how do I set that up again?' > 3) Set up replacement boot drive. >=20 > The first situation hides that it's a special case, where the second one=20= > doesn't. >=20 > To avoid the first scenario you need to make sure your sysadmins are=20 > following *local* (and probably out-of-band) docs, and aware of potential=20= > problems. And awake. ;) The scenario in the second situation presents=20= > it's problem as a unified package, and you can rely on normal levels of=20= > alertness to be able to handle it correctly. (The sysadmin will realize i= t=20 > needs to be set up as a boot device because it's the boot device. ;) It=20= > may be complicated, but it's *obviously* complicated.) >=20 > I'm still not clear on whether a ZFS-only system will boot with a failed=20= > drive in the root ZFS pool. Once booted, of course a decent ZFS setup=20 > should be able to recover from the failed drive. But the question is if=20= > the FreeBSD boot process will handle the redundancy or not. At this point= =20 > I'm actually guessing it will, which of course only exasperates the above=20= > surprise problem: 'The easy ZFS disk replacement procedure *did* work in=20= > the past, why did it cause a problem now?' (And conceivably it could caus= e=20 > *major* data problems at that point, as ZFS will *grow* a pool quite=20 > easily, but *shrinking* one is a problem.) >=20 > Daniel T. Staal >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------- > This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you > are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use > the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will > expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, > whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of > local copyright law. > --------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:35:51 -0500 > From: David > Subject: Re: Developing Embedded Network Device on FreeBSD > To: Matthew Seaman > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <3DA6F44D-FABF-4E2A-9E32-B3D617C36B61@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii >=20 > On Feb 19, 2011, at 10:10 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote: >=20 >> On 19/02/2011 14:04, David wrote: >>> [Snip] >>> I'd greatly appreciate any pointers. I'm really looking forward to devel= oping >>> under FreeBSD, but just need a few pointers to get me started. >>=20 >> You'll find that FreeBSD documentation is rather more comprehensive than >> is typical under Linux. Just about everything has a man page, and the >> Handbook and various other online publications are generally rated as >> excellent. Anything else, the FreeBSD mailing lists or forums can >> usually be relied upon to provide answers about. There are specialised >> lists for most interesting topics. >=20 > Thank you for the pointers Matt, that is very helpful. I am already enjoyi= ng > working with FreeBSD and looking forward to learning more about it as I pr= ogress. >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > David. >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 12 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 09:59:28 -0500 > From: David Lapsley > Subject: Re: Developing Embedded Network Device on FreeBSD > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <296734BA-B2D9-4987-A1F1-BE7CE7540C03@me.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=3DUS-ASCII >=20 > After a little more research ... >=20 > On Feb 19, 2011, at 9:04 AM, David wrote: >=20 >> Hello All: >>=20 >> I am new to FreeBSD development (I've done some work on NetBSD, but mostl= y >> on Linux). >>=20 >> I am developing a COTS-based network appliance. After doing my research, I= 've decided to >> use FreeBSD as my development platform. I would like to get my developmen= t environment >> to the point where I can build a single ISO image that will contain OS an= d application >> ready to install. After reading through the handbook, porter's guide, and= googling, I think I have >> a rough idea of how to do this, but I still have some gaps in how I set t= his up. >>=20 >> My current understanding is that all of the application specific, user la= nd software should=20 >> reside in the ports tree. I have two questions with respect to this: >>=20 >> 1. If I don't want to publish my software, how do I manage the source (do= I just generate a tarball >> on my build machine and place it in DISTDIR?). >=20 > After reading Chapter 11 of "Absolute FreeBSD, 2nd Edition" (very helpful!= ), it seems like > "make package" is my friend in this case. I've created a "packages" direct= ory in /usr/ports > so that my software and dependancies will be packaged and placed in this d= irectory. >=20 >> =46rom there, it seems like it should be fairly straightforward to have t= hese incorporated > into the ISO build. Then I can do OS install from the ISO build, followed b= y a pkg_add > (with appropriate environment variables set) to install the binary package= s. >=20 > This seems workable. I'm not sure if it is the Right way to do it. I'd app= reciate any > thoughts/comments on this. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > David. >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 13 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:29:41 +0000 > From: krad > Subject: Re: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD > To: Daniel Staal > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1 >=20 > On 19 February 2011 15:35, Daniel Staal wrote: >> --As of February 19, 2011 2:44:38 PM +0000, Matthew Seaman is alleged to >> have said: >>=20 >>> Umm... a sufficiently forgetful sysadmin can break *anything*. This >>> isn't really a fair test: forgetting to write the boot blocks onto a >>> disk could similarly render a UFS based system unbootable. That's why >>> scripting this sort of stuff is a really good idea. Any new sysadmin >>> should of course be referred to the copious and accurate documentation >>> detailing exactly the steps needed to replace a drive... >>>=20 >>> ZFS is definitely advantageous in this respect, because the sysadmin has= >>> to do fewer steps to repair a failed drive, so there's less opportunity >>> for anything to be missed out or got wrong. >>>=20 >>> The best solution in this respect is one where you can simply unplug the= >>> dead drive and plug in the replacement. You can do that with many >>> hardware RAID systems, but you're going to have to pay a premium price >>> for them. Also, you loose out on the general day-to-day benefits of >>> using ZFS. >>=20 >> --As for the rest, it is mine. >>=20 >> True, best case is hardware RAID for this specific problem. What I'm >> looking at here is basically reducing the surprise: A ZFS pool being used= as >> the boot drive has the 'surprising' behavior that if you replace a drive >> using the instructions from the man pages or a naive Google search, you w= ill >> have a drive that *appears* to work, until some point later where you >> attempt to reboot your system. (At which point you will need to start >> over.) To avoid this you need to read local documentation and/or remembe= r >> that there is something beyond the man pages needs to be done. >>=20 >> With a normal UFS/etc. filesystem the standard failure recovery systems w= ill >> point out that this is a boot drive, and handle as necessary. It will >> either work or not, it will never *appear* to work, and then fail at some= >> future point from a current error. It might be more steps to repair a >> specific drive, but all the steps are handled together. >>=20 >> Basically, if a ZFS boot drive fails, you are likely to get the following= >> scenario: >> 1) 'What do I need to do to replace a disk in the ZFS pool?' >> 2) 'Oh, that's easy.' Replaces disk. >> 3) System fails to boot at some later point. >> 4) 'Oh, right, you need to do this *as well* on the *boot* pool...' >>=20 >> Where if a UFS boot drive fails on an otherwise ZFS system, you'll get: >> 1) 'What's this drive?' >> 2) 'Oh, so how do I set that up again?' >> 3) Set up replacement boot drive. >>=20 >> The first situation hides that it's a special case, where the second one >> doesn't. >>=20 >> To avoid the first scenario you need to make sure your sysadmins are >> following *local* (and probably out-of-band) docs, and aware of potential= >> problems. And awake. ;) The scenario in the second situation presents >> it's problem as a unified package, and you can rely on normal levels of >> alertness to be able to handle it correctly. (The sysadmin will realize i= t >> needs to be set up as a boot device because it's the boot device. ;) It= >> may be complicated, but it's *obviously* complicated.) >>=20 >> I'm still not clear on whether a ZFS-only system will boot with a failed >> drive in the root ZFS pool. Once booted, of course a decent ZFS setup >> should be able to recover from the failed drive. But the question is if t= he >> FreeBSD boot process will handle the redundancy or not. At this point I'= m >> actually guessing it will, which of course only exasperates the above >> surprise problem: 'The easy ZFS disk replacement procedure *did* work in t= he >> past, why did it cause a problem now?' (And conceivably it could cause >> *major* data problems at that point, as ZFS will *grow* a pool quite easi= ly, >> but *shrinking* one is a problem.) >>=20 >> Daniel T. Staal >>=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you >> are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use >> the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will >> expire 5 year s after the author's death, or in 30 years, >> whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of >> local copyright law. >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" >>=20 >=20 > on slightly different note, make sure you align your partitions so the > zfs partitions 1st sector is divisible by 8, eg 1st sector 2048. Also > when you create the zpool, use the gnop -s 4096 trick to make sure the > pool has ashift=3D12. You may not be using advanced format drives yet, > but when you do in the future you will be glad you started out like > this. >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 14 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 13:11:59 -0500 > From: Andy Tornquist > Subject: Re: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD > To: Daniel Staal , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1 >=20 > P0r c qpppqppqpqapprfpprkkqroikiujpou >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Q >=20 > R >=20 > F >=20 >=20 > Rf >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 2/18/11, Daniel Staal wrote: >>=20 >> I've been reading over the ZFS-only-boot instructions linked here: >> (and further linked from there) and have on= e >> worry: >>=20 >> Let's say I install a FreeBSD system using a ZFS-only filesystem into a >> box with hotswapable hard drives, configured with some redundancy. Time >> passes, one of the drives fails, and it is replaced and rebuilt using the= >> ZFS tools. (Possibly on auto, or possibly by just doing a 'zpool >> replace'.) >>=20 >> Is that box still bootable? (It's still running, but could it *boot*?) >>=20 >> Extend further: If *all* the original drives are replaced (not at the sam= e >> time, obviously) and rebuilt/resilvered using the ZFS utilities, is the >> box still bootable? >>=20 >> If not, what's the minimum needed to support booting from another disk, >> and using the ZFS filesystem for everything else? >>=20 >> Daniel T. Staal >>=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you >> are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use >> the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will >> expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, >> whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of >> local copyright law. >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" >>=20 >=20 > --=20 > Sent from my mobile device >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 15 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 20:06:46 +0100 > From: "Christopher J. Ruwe" > Subject: Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <20110219200646.6a372e42@dijkstra> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" >=20 > I am typing on a Lenovo Thinkpad R500 running 8-stable, after (a very > high quality) instruction installation by Yamagi Burmeister > (http://www.bsdforen.de/showthread.php?s=3De2db5256b283497ca371738ad34b757= 2&t=3D24823). >=20 > I am very happy with both FreeBSD and my notebook since I switched > (unnerved) from Gentoo Linux to FreeBSD last year. > --=20 > Christopher J. Ruwe > TZ GMT + 1 > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 834 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/attachments/201= 10219/3bb642cd/signature-0001.pgp >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 16 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:12:20 -0600 (CST) > From: Robert Bonomi > Subject: Re: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <201102192012.p1JKCKnP038248@mail.r-bonomi.com> >=20 >=20 >> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:35:35 -0500 >> From: Daniel Staal >> Subject: Re: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD >>=20 > [[.. sneck ..]] >>=20 >> Basically, if a ZFS boot drive fails, you are likely to get the following= =20 >> scenario: >> 1) 'What do I need to do to replace a disk in the ZFS pool?' >> 2) 'Oh, that's easy.' Replaces disk. >> 3) System fails to boot at some later point. >> 4) 'Oh, right, you need to do this *as well* on the *boot* pool...' >>=20 >> Where if a UFS boot drive fails on an otherwise ZFS system, you'll get: >> 1) 'What's this drive?' >> 2) 'Oh, so how do I set that up again?' >> 3) Set up replacement boot drive. >>=20 >> The first situation hides that it's a special case, where the second one=20= >> doesn't. >=20 > "For any foolproof system, there exists a _sufficiently-determined_ fool > capable of breaking it" applies. >=20 >> To avoid the first scenario you need to make sure your sysadmins are=20 >> following *local* (and probably out-of-band) docs, and aware of potential= =20 >> problems. And awake. ;) The scenario in the second situation presents=20= >> it's problem as a unified package, and you can rely on normal levels of=20= >> alertness to be able to handle it correctly. (The sysadmin will realize=20= >> it needs to be set up as a boot device because it's the boot device. ;) = =20 >> It may be complicated, but it's *obviously* complicated.) >>=20 >> I'm still not clear on whether a ZFS-only system will boot with a failed=20= >> drive in the root ZFS pool. Once booted, of course a decent ZFS setup=20= >> should be able to recover from the failed drive. But the question is if=20= >> the FreeBSD boot process will handle the redundancy or not. At this=20 >> point I'm actually guessing it will, which of course only exasperates the= =20 >> above surprise problem: 'The easy ZFS disk replacement procedure *did*=20= >> work in the past, why did it cause a problem now?' (And conceivably it=20= >> could cause *major* data problems at that point, as ZFS will *grow* a=20 >> pool quite easily, but *shrinking* one is a problem.) >=20 > A non-ZFS boot drive results in immediate, _guaranteed_, down-time for > replacement if/when it fails. >=20 > A ZFS boot drive lets you replace the drive and *schedule* the down-time > (for a 'test' re-boot, to make *sure* everything works) at a convenient > time. >=20 > Failure to schedule the required down time is a management failure, not > a methodology issue. One has located the requisite "sufficiently- > determined" fool, and the results thereof are to be expected. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 17 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:57:02 -0800 > From: David Brodbeck > Subject: Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1 >=20 > On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 6:36 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote:= >> Reality: >> XP purchased with a Toshiba laptop runs native, but fails on >> virtualbox, on the same laptop. I believe XP is crippled to only >> run on Toshiba, & vbox presents too clean/generic an environment ;-) >=20 > Sometimes there can be activation issues with OEM versions of Windows > XP. They're usually keyed to the manufacturer's BIOS. >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 18 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:33:26 +0100 > From: Andy Wodfer > Subject: How to forward old root mails to an external email address? > To: freebsd-questions > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1 >=20 > Hi all! >=20 > I'm running FreeBSD 8.0 Release on this particular server and I have a > rather large root mailbox under /var/mail/root. >=20 > I have set up an alias under /etc/aliases for new emails, but I need to > forward all the old emails in this mailbox to an external email address. >=20 > How can I do that? >=20 > Thanks for your help! > Andreas >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 19 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:24:43 -0500 > From: Daniel Staal > Subject: Re: How to forward old root mails to an external email > address? > To: Andy Wodfer , freebsd-questions > > Message-ID: <1837CB358903EB8C60F348FA@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii; format=3Dflowed >=20 > --As of February 19, 2011 9:33:26 PM +0100, Andy Wodfer is alleged to have= =20 > said: >=20 >> 'm running FreeBSD 8.0 Release on this particular server and I have a >> rather large root mailbox under /var/mail/root. >>=20 >> I have set up an alias under /etc/aliases for new emails, but I need to >> forward all the old emails in this mailbox to an external email address. >>=20 >> How can I do that? >=20 > --As for the rest, it is mine. >=20 > Easiest way I know of is to set up a procmail rule to forward everything t= o=20 > the external address, then feed the old mailbox to procmail via formail. >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D .procmailrc: > :0 > ! new@example.com >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D Command line: > cat /var/mail/root | formail -s procmail >=20 > Daniel T. Staal >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------- > This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you > are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use > the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will > expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, > whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of > local copyright law. > --------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 20 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:27:36 +0000 > From: Matthew Seaman > Subject: Re: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD > To: Daniel Staal > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <4D6035C8.9040700@infracaninophile.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" >=20 > On 19/02/2011 15:35, Daniel Staal wrote: >> I'm still not clear on whether a ZFS-only system will boot with a failed >> drive in the root ZFS pool. >=20 > If it's a mirror, raidz or similar pool type with resilience, then yes, > it certainly will boot with a failed drive. Been there, done that. >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Matthew >=20 > --=20 > Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard > Flat 3 > PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate > JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW >=20 > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 267 bytes > Desc: OpenPGP digital signature > Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/attachments/201= 10219/8a4da1cd/signature-0001.pgp >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 21 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:37:14 -0500 > From: Alfredo Perez > Subject: Re: BSD Magazine PDFs > To: Xn Nooby > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1 >=20 > I am missing them all, can you upload them somewhere? >=20 > Thanks in advance >=20 > On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Xn Nooby wrote: >=20 >> Thanks for the replies, good to know I'm not missing any issues. >>=20 >>=20 >> On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Charlie Kester >> wrote: >>> On Fri 18 Feb 2011 at 08:13:19 PST MFV wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Hello, >>>>=20 >>>> I've been downloading BSD Mag since it first came out and your list is >>>> identical to mine. >>>=20 >>> Same here. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 22 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 22:39:59 +0100 > From: Andy Wodfer > Subject: Re: How to forward old root mails to an external email > address? > To: freebsd-questions > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1 >=20 > On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Daniel Staal wrote: >=20 >> --As of February 19, 2011 9:33:26 PM +0100, Andy Wodfer is alleged to hav= e >> said: >>=20 >> 'm running FreeBSD 8.0 Release on this particular server and I have a >>> rather large root mailbox under /var/mail/root. >>>=20 >>> I have set up an alias under /etc/aliases for new emails, but I need to >>> forward all the old emails in this mailbox to an external email address.= >>>=20 >>> How can I do that? >>>=20 >>=20 >> --As for the rest, it is mine. >>=20 >> Easiest way I know of is to set up a procmail rule to forward everything t= o >> the external address, then feed the old mailbox to procmail via formail. >>=20 >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D .procmailrc: >> :0 >> ! new@example.com >>=20 >> =3D=3D=3D=3D Command line: >> cat /var/mail/root | formail -s procmail >>=20 >=20 > Hi Daniel and thanks for your reply! >=20 > I already tried something similare, but I keep getting command not found f= or > formail. I was hoping there was a way of doing this without installing > additional software - just use what comes with a default FreeBSD > installation. >=20 > Cheers, > Andreas >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 23 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:50:22 -0500 > From: Mike Jeays > Subject: Re: BSD Magazine PDFs > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <20110219165022.180026b5@napoleon> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII >=20 > On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:37:14 -0500 > Alfredo Perez wrote: >=20 >> I am missing them all, can you upload them somewhere? >>=20 >> Thanks in advance >>=20 >> On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Xn Nooby wrote: >>=20 >>> Thanks for the replies, good to know I'm not missing any issues. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Charlie Kester = >>> wrote: >>>> On Fri 18 Feb 2011 at 08:13:19 PST MFV wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Hello, >>>>>=20 >>>>> I've been downloading BSD Mag since it first came out and your list is= >>>>> identical to mine. >>>>=20 >>>> Same here. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >>> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >>> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" >=20 > They are all online at bsdmag.org >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 24 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:52:43 -0500 > From: Daniel Staal > Subject: Re: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD > To: Robert Bonomi , > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii; format=3Dflowed >=20 > --As of February 19, 2011 2:12:20 PM -0600, Robert Bonomi is alleged to=20= > have said: >=20 >> A non-ZFS boot drive results in immediate, _guaranteed_, down-time for >> replacement if/when it fails. >>=20 >> A ZFS boot drive lets you replace the drive and *schedule* the down-time >> (for a 'test' re-boot, to make *sure* everything works) at a convenient >> time. >=20 > --As for the rest, it is mine. >=20 > No it doesn't. It only extends the next scheduled downtime until you deal= =20 > with it. ;) (Or, in a hot-swap environment with sufficient monitoring,=20= > means you need to deal with it before the next scheduled downtime.) >=20 > Or, from what it sounds like, you could have a redundant/backup boot disk.= =20 > I'm planning on using a $5 USB drive as my boot disk. Triple redundancy=20= > would cost $15. I paid more for lunch today. (Hmm. I'll have to test to= =20 > see if that setup works, although given the rest of this discussion I don'= t=20 > see why it shouldn't...) >=20 > I see the advantage, and that it offers higher levels of resiliency and if= =20 > properly handled should cause no problems. I just hate relying on humans=20= > to remember things and follow directions. That's what computers are for.=20= > Repairing a failed disk in a ZFS boot pool requires a human to remember to= =20 > look for directions in an unusual place, and then follow them correctly.=20= > If they don't, nothing happens immediately, but there is the possibility o= f=20 > failure at some later unspecified time. (Meanwhile if they look for=20 > directions in the *usual* place, they get a simple and straightforward set= =20 > of instructions that will appear to work.) >=20 > *If* that failure occurs, that downtime will be longer than the downtime=20= > you would save from a dozen boxes being handled using the correct ZFS=20 > procedure, as everyone tears their hair out going 'Why doesn't it work?!?=20= > It worked just fine a moment ago!' until someone remembers this quirk. >=20 > I don't like quirky computers. That's why I'm not a Windows admin. ;) >=20 > Daniel T. Staal >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------- > This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you > are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use > the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will > expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, > whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of > local copyright law. > --------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 25 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:00:10 -0800 > From: David Brodbeck > Subject: Re: ZFS-only booting on FreeBSD > To: FreeBSD Questions > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1 >=20 > On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Daniel Staal wrote: >> I see the advantage, and that it offers higher levels of resiliency and i= f >> properly handled should cause no problems. I just hate relying on humans= to >> remember things and follow directions. That's what computers are for. >> Repairing a failed disk in a ZFS boot pool requires a human to remember t= o >> look for directions in an unusual place, and then follow them correctly. >=20 > That's why I generally prefer to boot off hardware RAID 1 in > situations where reliability is critical. There are too many fiddly > unknown factors in booting off software RAID. Even if you do > everything else right, the BIOS may refuse to look beyond the failed > drive and boot off the good one. I save the software RAID for data > spindles (which I tend to keep separate from the boot/OS spindles, > anyway.) >=20 > 2-port 3ware cards are relatively inexpensive, and well supported by > every OS I've used except Solaris. If you're going for RAID 1 you > don't need expensive battery-backed cache. >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 26 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:12:02 -0800 > From: Yuri > Subject: Can motorola v195 be supported as network interface? > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <4D604032.1070206@rawbw.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1; format=3Dflowed >=20 > I have this phone, 'usbconfig -d ugen1.2 dump_device_desc' shows it like=20= > this: >=20 > ugen1.2: at usbus1, cfg=3D0 md=3DHOS= T=20 > spd=3DFULL (12Mbps) pwr=3DON >=20 > bLength =3D 0x0012 > bDescriptorType =3D 0x0001 > bcdUSB =3D 0x0110 > bDeviceClass =3D 0x0002 > bDeviceSubClass =3D 0x0000 > bDeviceProtocol =3D 0x0000 > bMaxPacketSize0 =3D 0x0008 > idVendor =3D 0x22b8 > idProduct =3D 0x4902 > bcdDevice =3D 0x0001 > iManufacturer =3D 0x0001 > iProduct =3D 0x0002 > iSerialNumber =3D 0x0000 > bNumConfigurations =3D 0x0002 >=20 > It doesn't show up as a network interface, only as ugen. > What would it take to support it? How hard can it be to make it show up=20= > as network interface? > MacOS for example sees it as a PPP modem asking for user name/password. >=20 > Yuri >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 27 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 22:14:42 +0000 > From: RW > Subject: Re: How to forward old root mails to an external email > address? > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <20110219221442.39aacc81@gumby.homeunix.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII >=20 > On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 22:39:59 +0100 > Andy Wodfer wrote: >=20 >> I already tried something similare, but I keep getting command not >> found for formail. I was hoping there was a way of doing this without >> installing additional software - just use what comes with a default >> FreeBSD installation. >=20 > formail is installed as part of the procmail package. Check for typos > and that PATH is set correctly.=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" >=20 > End of freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 350, Issue 10 > ************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 16:35:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0115C1065672 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 16:35:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC3008FC1E for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 16:35:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-22-230-24.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.22.230.24] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PrCFp-0006os-TH for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:35:27 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:35:22 -0800 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:35:22 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110220163522.GA66537@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110220002300.GA21231@thought.org> <201102201417.p1KEH7bf048132@mail.r-bonomi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201102201417.p1KEH7bf048132@mail.r-bonomi.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: variable line-display pager? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 16:35:31 -0000 --d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Robert Bonomi on Sunday, 20 February 2011: > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 19 18:28:20 2011 > > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:23:00 -0800 > > From: Gary Kline > > To: FreeBSD Mailing List > > Cc:=20 > > Subject: Re: variable line-display pager? > > > > On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 03:52:40PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > > > Quoth Gary Kline on Saturday, 19 February 2011: > > > > Need help findind a way of using existing unix utilities to diplay= =20 > > > > chunks of N lines of a text files. Here N <=3D the number of lines= in=20 > > > > the file. > > > > > > > > For instance, say that my xterm/console/"Konsole" is 80x53 lines. M= y=20 > > > > text file is around 200 lines long and I want to use more or less o= r=20 > > > > some GUI pager to display only 15 lines at one time. Tapping the= =20 > > > > space bar would display another 15 lines and so on until EOF. Is= =20 > > > > there a way of doing with with flags of the existing /usr/bin/less = or=20 > > > > is there some other pager that I can build? > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > gary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public=20 > > > > Service Unix > > > > Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org= =20 > > > > The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.o= rg > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list=20 > > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To=20 > > > > unsubscribe, send any mail to=20 > > > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > The -z option is supposed to do this: > > > > > > less -z15 file.txt > > > > > > But it appears to work only on the second and successive pages. > > > > > > > > Oh. So _that's_ why. I tried less -m 15 [because the man pages sais= =20 > > z=3DN; i just tried what you did with -z15. Full page first time, 15= =20 > > lines each spacebar thereafter. > > > > Zank you, Sir Chip.. Anybody else? I'm loathe to use anything gui, bu= t=20 > > here's where I'll be happy w ith something GUI THat i can squeeze my= =20 > > "15" or small-n lines' worth into. Can'y believe that there is nothing= =20 > > for all theses years.... I mean, geewhiz! Any idea where I Should look= =20 > > in ports or how to google this? > > >=20 > how hard can it be? >=20 > stty rows=3D15; less filename That's the V8 answer, but the syntax needs correcting: stty rows 15; less filename Works with 'more', too. --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com --d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNYULKAAoJEIpckszW26+RYXgH/0OkakZqjeKysDd4yLv+cFzm D7UJRXaIn2PX6OKVv+eJ1/xbk/n1vcpsI8OGEf7v5/0R2xrcYB/v3t6vMxuaGGx/ oxvNrJ8om0wbzGlstjmgo+rbdjcR7y7buv1QjLLz08yk3ko06kt8v1Lyw90UcXcQ wWvTnfrB5LAv8Qfk5bNgOf7hJNTxxmms9USvQap69Rsj63Ss4h2SLdrQw2M6rW4c WUoHNaQJSvtIGZXteTMrrDTphGlNX2KBnRoEs/ys+FOC5npvI5+Fdavgc6r44+qs Y6G8VlbbP08m7A/bW4H1fvJr8+E8v9cJJq9xwxlPrm0hYNLOC1ux0CSCSmHv4+A= =vf1M -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 16:44:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27818106564A for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 16:44:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E01178FC14 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 16:44:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-22-230-24.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.22.230.24] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PrCOI-0007KN-5Y for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:44:11 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:44:10 -0800 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:44:10 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20110220164410.GB66537@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Mailing List References: <20110219233736.GA20393@thought.org> <20110219235240.GA2495@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110220002300.GA21231@thought.org> <20110220004200.GC2495@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110220004432.GD2495@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110220084235.GA30569@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="TakKZr9L6Hm6aLOc" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110220084235.GA30569@thought.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Cc: Subject: Re: variable line-display pager? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 16:44:15 -0000 --TakKZr9L6Hm6aLOc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Gary Kline on Sunday, 20 February 2011: >=20 > Yes, this is much nicer that the more -15 that messes up the > text with it's [MORE...] white within black. But here you can't > just tap the spacebar; is there a way around that and > turning it into a space...? >=20 > Also, can you insert=20 >=20 > "^+++" >=20 > text >=20 > "^+++" >=20 > top And bottom? Pretty sure that the user would have the large > font to read aloug with that espeak read to hijm. Having the > top/bottom delimiters might make scanning the text easier. =20 >=20 > (It messed up with more. >=20 > Anyway, thanks foe something that actually works, :_) >=20 > gary >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Un= ix > Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org > The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org >=20 Better? #!/usr/bin/env ruby require 'optparse' pagesize =3D 15 optparse =3D OptionParser.new do |opts| opts.banner =3D 'usage: npg [-n pagesize] file...' opts.on('-n', '--numlines pagesize', 'Specify page size in number of line= s') do |n| pagesize =3D n.to_i end end begin optparse.parse! rescue OptionParser::InvalidOption, OptionParser::MissingArgument =3D> e puts e puts optparse exit 1 end puts "^+++" loop do pagesize.times do if line =3D gets puts line else puts "^+++" exit end end print "More..." system "stty raw" STDIN.getc system "stty -raw" end --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com --TakKZr9L6Hm6aLOc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNYUTaAAoJEIpckszW26+RvN0H/1AigKwSmETWehKg7Nn6UxhL bdAOqqXswc5lcQ9MZd6ZI1bfwLlfrUtPSFzgfccXRxOuktXc0dQNLzyRzwioSskQ Z5kfuOz84AEvA1AK6vxsdwVo+a10y6AfGO+91quOYwAHaN2NRjxik2qydTjG0OKk PfHAHHkUjDkx0nD3a0T5OiqnSogH8s1n7r6nDwLnXxxQpN/juQbvU4WT+JF0vYTS dpmrekFDNAkLmqQx8/NHlOt9rVzfp8hkTOmldcejQymFySK0JnVUPRJbhkhVwx5T E1b6Y7HbkI1L396yYzPBG6XG1f2E3OxQZNRiNCRHjCQ5MBqWUgmD8uAvKCjl4xU= =ltH0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --TakKZr9L6Hm6aLOc-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 17:43:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D20106564A for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 17:43:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89668FC08 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 17:43:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so1604059bwz.13 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 09:43:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=eLijcfm1fAFw2BQ4WKYbIzPT44lWH5r0H5VVqTUN0WA=; b=BByxtEp8581iHvEDDQWC8B9XEfIvqLS1iJJxkR+3u0GlbzGFtTwaiyBiZmV1UYZyW6 RfBom0oecjb3d5B8kRwPLyphm9WL+aLLjwMFLsaZKoe85l/HH6v/hfpPocTNGnmZe2RF tb2wo2r9tFrcrQeAhiLQHN2kKBWSieYhFiYHo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=UQcH0LK4kEyXjOu0dpF67bCRSur/Vd0ZmfeD9tVIq5HUxPPZzNuy0/j0DWF1+7DbsB lmaI/B3WRe5hF+6YoKU9R+Ot+61yBy0NJa1kheFKnKj2Co86RgtQ5+Kpk6qvTr4lwvZl r7uWzQDPWdztqWZpjIG+GFoJHwVoZUaaFKg2s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.70.134 with SMTP id d6mr489613bkj.21.1298223808445; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 09:43:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.68.206 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 09:43:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.68.206 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 09:43:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <03DE2E55-E3F3-4E20-9142-70C7BEAE81C7@gmail.com> References: <20110219221457.0E12610656EB@hub.freebsd.org> <03DE2E55-E3F3-4E20-9142-70C7BEAE81C7@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 17:43:25 +0000 Message-ID: From: Chris Rees To: Mats Lindbeg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 350, Issue 10 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 17:43:30 -0000 Sorry Mats, I couldn't find anything in that email! Please would you resend it, with only relevant quotes and with an appropriate subject? Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 18:06:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86602106564A for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:06:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3934A8FC20 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:06:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1KHelBr056914 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 10:40:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p1KHelf1056911 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 10:40:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 10:40:47 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 20 Feb 2011 10:40:48 -0700 (MST) Cc: Subject: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:06:16 -0000 $() apparently isn't quite the same as backticks, although sh(1) doesn't mention that, or I just missed it. This script is just supposed to escape special characters* in a path/filename: #!/bin/sh DESTDIR="./" COMPFILE=".cshrc" PSTR=`echo "${DESTDIR}${COMPFILE}" | sed 's%\([?:.%\\]\)%\\\1%g'` echo ${PSTR} PSTR=$(echo "${DESTDIR}${COMPFILE}" | sed 's%\([?:.%\\]\)%\\\1%g') % ./test.sh \1/\1cshrc \./\.cshrc With backticks, the backreference \1 never seems to be replaced with the actual pattern, regardless of search pattern. Tested on 8-stable and 9-current. *: That's special characters as less(1) -Ps sees them. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 18:11:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56FEA106564A for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:11:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demelier.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D59AA8FC13 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:11:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so1615701bwz.13 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 10:11:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=y5pYrZLSKAKSMZXkmCDQSWgwD0YZVnAq17iThLP1SFk=; b=xU1Awk3D42F4XzkMAjPNmrLHSEFHoTWQ22R4WYXFCiZPkE4InPl9q6YkQFVQybXK3x VgWzuBhu2DFYKQELNdTdfMSNivrnfYm/ZAqQ9gG9X7cKK76uurR7BPSA0ohuD7rN/nu9 X77bxtNbQuol65+20QyZSxltQS/YHFpufU62E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=WqzEXpadb8wQJaoy/l+FHKIMdGF7asFB5agNRAeAL52Co1C/Je60hTfBWJ7ovbnoB2 atNhsf9WKKpGTHbDhKsFcqEp0CdrT5j8WztmPV8QBHl2Rg8S1gCRMHlh3+Got0k7eygQ gLDYBUEqayXEo6Icpd3Z/2id7RXd82Yket+sg= Received: by 10.204.60.17 with SMTP id n17mr488138bkh.190.1298225503821; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 10:11:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from Abricot.malikania.fr (65.21.102-84.rev.gaoland.net [84.102.21.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j11sm3148215bka.12.2011.02.20.10.11.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 20 Feb 2011 10:11:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D61599E.4040008@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 19:12:46 +0100 From: David Demelier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110126 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:11:47 -0000 On 20/02/2011 18:40, Warren Block wrote: > $() apparently isn't quite the same as backticks, although sh(1) doesn't > mention that, or I just missed it. This script is just supposed to > escape special characters* in a path/filename: > > #!/bin/sh > > DESTDIR="./" > COMPFILE=".cshrc" > > PSTR=`echo "${DESTDIR}${COMPFILE}" | sed 's%\([?:.%\\]\)%\\\1%g'` > echo ${PSTR} > > PSTR=$(echo "${DESTDIR}${COMPFILE}" | sed 's%\([?:.%\\]\)%\\\1%g') > > % ./test.sh > \1/\1cshrc > \./\.cshrc > > With backticks, the backreference \1 never seems to be replaced with the > actual pattern, regardless of search pattern. Tested on 8-stable and > 9-current. > > *: That's special characters as less(1) -Ps sees them. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I'd prefere $() rather than ``. It's more powerful, for example you can write a multiple $() but not `` see : markand@Abricot ~ $ echo $(basename $(which dmesg)) dmesg markand@Abricot ~ $ echo `basename `which dmesg`` usage: basename string [suffix] basename [-a] [-s suffix] string [...] which dmesg Of course the example code is useless but shows the limitations of ``. Nowadays all shells supports $() so I advise you to use it :). Cheers, -- David Demelier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 19:35:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5D00106566C for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 19:35:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from cp-out9.libero.it (cp-out9.libero.it [212.52.84.109]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D5938FC14 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 19:35:41 +0000 (UTC) X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A0B0201.4D616D0C.0115,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-libjamoibt: 1555 Received: from soth.ventu (151.51.49.89) by cp-out9.libero.it (8.5.133) id 4D35A95304CC9BFB for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 20:35:40 +0100 Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.ventu [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1KJZYNx064917 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 20:35:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Message-ID: <4D616D06.4000905@netfence.it> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 20:35:34 +0100 From: Andrea Venturoli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; it-IT; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101211 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.1.2.13 Subject: umass troubles again X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 19:35:42 -0000 Hello. I've a 4GB USB memory which is formatted as a single FAT32 partition. When I insert it, I get: > root: Unknown USB device: vendor 0x1e3d product 0x2092 bus uhub5 > kernel: ugen5.3: at usbus5 > kernel: umass1: on usbus5 > kernel: umass1: SCSI over Bulk-Only; quirks = 0x0000 > kernel: umass1:3:1:-1: Attached to scbus3 > kernel: da6 at umass-sim1 bus 1 scbus3 target 0 lun 0 > kernel: da6: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device > kernel: da6: 40.000MB/s transfers > kernel: da6: 3855MB (7895040 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 491C) > kernel: GEOM: da6: geometry does not match label (16h,63s != 255h,63s). > kernel: GEOM: da6: media size does not match label. > # ls /dev/|grep da6 > da6 > da6a (I'd expect da6s1, instead of da6a...) > # fdisk /dev/da6 > ******* Working on device /dev/da6 ******* > parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: > cylinders=491 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) > > parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are: > cylinders=491 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) > > Media sector size is 512 > Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1 > Information from DOS bootblock is: > The data for partition 1 is: > sysid 6 (0x06),(Primary DOS, 16 bit FAT (>= 32MB)) > start 63, size 7887852 (3851 Meg), flag 0 > beg: cyl 0/ head 1/ sector 1; > end: cyl 490/ head 254/ sector 63 > The data for partition 2 is: > > The data for partition 3 is: > > The data for partition 4 is: > > # mount -t msdosfs /dev/da6a /mnt/ > # df > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > ... > /dev/da6a 399904 4048 395856 1% /mnt Now... isn't that a tenfold error? > # df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > ... > /dev/da6a 391M 4.0M 387M 1% /mnt The partition should be 4GB, not 400MB... Any hint on this? System is 8.1-RELEASE-p2/i386. bye & Thanks av. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 21:01:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40E11065694 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 21:01:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anti_spam256@yahoo.ca) Received: from web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.82.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 965BA8FC0A for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 21:01:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 51985 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Feb 2011 21:01:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.ca; s=s1024; t=1298235666; bh=BhLyeb1rUW6XeaiNGbXS4a89QBd49rfoOa+nzTIbnAk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lzpYhJM02PAADB0RxRZb/M/xbO0xlQAAcAKkDTMT7iyEAJF+v88cz7AO3IDpIo/D6WG5ERwTkhhb6kJE9KOMkhcoUx/UT0Bxxtw9jA/+9JK2aFdfTCRp0uttyhPbycbr6eWvjDG04feDVG0yCGagcpJSem85zN+FfMjzkBe0fYg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nf+5YWxg0ZocxX+cMvatAhw87zheCvVpqT2MemXEVP9O1WWSXZcNY12sbpaUpw4PSqlbAn493DCzB9HcywJn2FX6Gyzos+Z+iFhHI6oBVKcK9lvmguVRyI+5sQHJwD68DKqz9gJPqz1airV5Fcdk7AXE2gagL/Pf5eIzibwGSrI=; Message-ID: <814349.16470.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: SRP7bDsVM1m.lwlkFEnfu9vGtxPmQNPUF402c917dNz.u2X yvhK.hgGICU8JmUaDPNSnH2MP0rReB9BexpW2V1xiPx8Mhamh6pq1XnpLuCK w9sT8dlZnfaCRr8ac3WVjckGWk35eMj.Za8rx8cYChgFkgGQNzg9fhJfWBGj aRZu2z9PaunxAimBhfhUvYO6scu0iBWgh4736PrdZpyGrltVs1p.nv7YxgN6 KRVwdJ8MgHaz1jPCrUG1rGAT9.RRpWT8auHxWaEBEDUXZB1cOJlxMHYX9Mmq seGtjNHKhsYNPpDatZDpf Received: from [216.86.107.143] by web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 13:01:06 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.109.292656 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 13:01:06 -0800 (PST) From: James Phillips To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20110220120035.2C8A910656BD@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re:Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 21:01:08 -0000 > Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 04:23:03 +0100 > From: Polytropon > Subject: Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? > To: Brian Callahan > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <20110220042303.0f730c6b.freebsd@edvax.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:32:59 -0500, Brian Callahan > wrote: > > and "By using the Software, you accept these terms. If > you do not > > accept them, do not use the software. Instead, contact > the > > manufacturer or installer to determine its return > policy. You must > > comply with that policy, which might limit your rights > or require you > > to return the entire system on which the software is > installed." > > > > The major OEMs will say "OK, then you must return the > computer," and > > you have no option but to comply. This is true for the > USA. > > Erm... and this is NOT a joke? Don't get me wrong, I had a > good laugh about this... agreement... but nothing is too > absurd to be true. > > In this specific context, does booting a FreeBSD and > removing > the "Windows" from the disk is equivalent to "using the > soft- > ware"? If I understand it correctly, "using" relates to > the > software, not the hardware. > > Unfortunately, it is *not* a joke unless it is some kind of elaborite prank. I don't know why people let computer (and peripheral) vendors get away with it. I briefly describe the inserts and stickers included with a "computing console" my sister bought here: http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=55819&start=120#p2001085 Anyway, as you may know, the "End-user" does not agree to the Microsoft version of the EULA directly. Rather, each manufacturer uses their own modified EULA that in turn, references the Microsoft EULA. The important thing is that they have changed the language from "by clicking agree..." to "by using the (computer)..." you agree to the license. There is also a seal on the bag holding the computer to that effect. Just yesterday, made a post complaining about how you can't just buy a "General Purpose" computer anymore: http://gbxforums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthread.php?p=2227317#post2227317 In it I mention how I tried to buy a GNU/Liunx and BSD compatible printer, only to be confronted with: Please read before opening. Opening this package or using the patented cartridge included with this product confirms your acceptance of the following license agreement. The patented Return Program cartridge sold with this product is provided subject to the restriction that it be used only once. Following this initial use, you agree to return the empty cartridge only to Lexmark for remanufacturing and recycling. Lexmark provides a prepaid return label in every replacement cartridge package. If you don't accept these terms, return this unopened package to your point of purchase. Patent law is stronger than copyright law. Lexmark may be able to argue you are "manufacturing" printed documents and are subject to the Patent license. INAL either. After deciding I could not really buy a computer locally, I ordered my latest machine from "Freedom Included, Inc" from in the US. http://freedomincluded.com/product/lemote-yeeloong/ It is a MIPS-based subnotebook shipping with gNewSense (Linux distro). I don't think it is what the OP was looking for since it won't even run Windows without qemu (3hour+ compile for all targets). It is also a relatively small machine (netbook size). I am also not sure if the wireless would be supported in freeBSD. freedomincluded@freedomincluded:~$ lsusb Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 004 Device 003: ID 0bda:8189 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8187B Wireless 802.11g 54Mbps Network Adapter Bus 004 Device 002: ID 0bda:0158 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. USB 2.0 multicard reader Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub (Camera not listed) Regards, James Phillips From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 21:22:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA0B106564A for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 21:22:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from korszca@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE4B8FC08 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 21:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyj12 with SMTP id 12so235929iyj.13 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 13:22:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=tgDJMPViRRRggPEQewShDT1znBQrxkvaaw5yg7UpKs4=; b=Ps+yOI49bd8pb9bn7MxFO6dUiYq3kfZEE5RYMYcDf9a81UyWfnmN31bp5TJvrOmqeS XDnpqYWwUYkaluCMz28sXprfdDftKBJ5i0F/R6JUlroeKgK1FiPBRMjv+MzE1RscZmUJ IqmMHij0sqj9eFF9URdqS9d+OJWg1lDSqRt+Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=cutYjLcvmnFFz8OhgnAZpnQnwqG5h4qRqbFhMIgYxk5oKNRcOoEVhWfgjhWakVn7OA qqZhEcXZD253tYJNOdUQfyUXUQwOfMiBjObKXRuVHdEQqLye+4mD6jEGmXW5z5noqbFa 9hr6MLa50AC2CvQvk04bdBjx9NjqS0ce5WFcA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.17.193 with SMTP id t1mr584533iba.89.1298236930552; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 13:22:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.251.6 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 13:22:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <814349.16470.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <20110220120035.2C8A910656BD@hub.freebsd.org> <814349.16470.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 16:22:10 -0500 Message-ID: From: Brian Callahan To: James Phillips Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 21:22:11 -0000 > > After deciding I could not really buy a computer locally, I ordered my la= test machine from "Freedom Included, Inc" from in the US. > http://freedomincluded.com/product/lemote-yeeloong/ > > It is a MIPS-based subnotebook shipping with gNewSense (Linux distro). I = don't think it is what the OP was looking for since it won't even run Windo= ws without qemu (3hour+ compile for all targets). It is also a relatively s= mall machine (netbook size). I am also not sure if the wireless would be su= pported in freeBSD. > freedomincluded@freedomincluded:~$ lsusb > Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub > Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub > Bus 004 Device 003: ID 0bda:8189 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8187B Wir= eless 802.11g 54Mbps Network Adapter > Bus 004 Device 002: ID 0bda:0158 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. USB 2.0 mult= icard reader > Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub > Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub > (Camera not listed) > > Regards, > > James Phillips I highly doubt the OP wants a Yeeloong. I have two (and cannot recommend Dan enough, he's a very cool guy) and I love them, both running OpenBSD. They don't run FreeBSD, kfreebsd-yeeloong notwithstanding (it was a GSoC project), however the wireless would work just fine, it's a urtw(4), which has been supported since 8.0. Actually, everything on the computer *would* work if FreeBSD was ported to it, but this is a non-trivial task and simply isn't going to happen until there are people willing to make it happen. With that said, the Yeeloong is not a good recommendation for anyone, with the exception of someone who wants to buy a nascent, possibly (hopefully) emerging architecture, to play with or to port software. Or someone who cares that much about free software and doesn't care about the limitations of the architecture. This isn't what the OP wants. ~Brian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 22:26:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D1A5106566C for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 22:26:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF2878FC15 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 22:26:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C2785E8070A; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 14:26:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 14:26:41 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Warren Block Message-ID: <20110220222641.GA11532@thought.org> References: <20110219233736.GA20393@thought.org> <20110219235240.GA2495@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110220002300.GA21231@thought.org> <20110220085158.GB30569@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: variable line-display pager? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 22:26:43 -0000 On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 08:26:32AM -0700, Warren Block wrote: > On Sun, 20 Feb 2011, Gary Kline wrote: > > >On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 06:28:07PM -0700, Warren Block wrote: > >>On Sat, 19 Feb 2011, Gary Kline wrote: > >> > >>>Zank you, Sir Chip.. Anybody else? I'm loathe to use anything gui, > >>>but here's where I'll be happy w ith something GUI THat i can > >>>squeeze my "15" or small-n lines' worth into. > >> > >>xterm -geometry 80x18 -e 'less -N /var/log/Xorg.0.log' > >> > >>Why 18 to get 15 lines? One line for the less prompt, maybe two for > >>the title bar on my system. > > > > > > EGAD! Did I _really_ type 80x18? I *,EANT* 80x48 which is the > > size of my Konsoles. Some reason, do not know, my mind gets > > Way ahead of my fingers. > > You didn't, I did. An 80x18 geometry xterm provides 16 lines of > text, one for the less prompt. My real aim is to have espeak | aplay running backgrounded and then have the text displayed in bite-sized chunks. The user can thus have some huge and maybe boring text Read me him and follow with his eyesight. My espeak script uses the MBROLA voice[s]. These are good but not perfect. Thus the more/less of the text. A fellow engineer in his mid-70's came over to check out my project. This guy is HOH and his hearing is slowly getting worse. That meant having to adjust the pitch and volume of the espeak voice. What I can hear clearly this guy heard as a jumble of mumbles. ---So one thing I've got to do is, after typing vim ~/tmp/sentence1, and playing it is save it away and have it easily available for replay after I have adjusted the pitch, speech, and other tweaks. I'd like to save between 3 and 5 sentences so that I don't have to retype the entire thing. Maybe use the arrow keys to go back to the last mid-understood sentence. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 22:56:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F28601065670 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 22:56:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FFA18FC0C for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 22:56:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 33C78E8070A; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 14:56:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 14:56:22 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20110220225622.GA13744@thought.org> References: <20110219233736.GA20393@thought.org> <20110219235240.GA2495@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110220002300.GA21231@thought.org> <20110220004200.GC2495@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110220004432.GD2495@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110220084235.GA30569@thought.org> <20110220164410.GB66537@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110220164410.GB66537@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: Subject: Re: variable line-display pager? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 22:56:24 -0000 On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 08:44:10AM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth Gary Kline on Sunday, 20 February 2011: > > > > > Yes, this is much nicer that the more -15 that messes up the > > text with it's [MORE...] white within black. But here you can't > > just tap the spacebar; is there a way around that and > > turning it into a space...? > > > > Also, can you insert > > > > "^+++" > > > > text > > > > "^+++" > > > > top And bottom? Pretty sure that the user would have the large > > font to read aloug with that espeak read to hijm. Having the > > top/bottom delimiters might make scanning the text easier. > > > > (It messed up with more. > > > > Anyway, thanks foe something that actually works, :_) > > > > gary > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix > > Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org > > The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org > > > Better? > The code does what you tell it to. It puts the +++ string before the output and following the EOF. I was thinking of having: +++ 15 lines of text +++ After espeak speaks these lines, the user hits the spacebar and another +++ 15 lines +++ until EOF. I know zero ruby and am still learhnning python. Thanks much for getting me going with ruby! FRom here on it is just logic, :_) gary > > #!/usr/bin/env ruby > require 'optparse' > > pagesize = 15 > > optparse = OptionParser.new do |opts| > opts.banner = 'usage: npg [-n pagesize] file...' > > opts.on('-n', '--numlines pagesize', 'Specify page size in number of lines') do |n| > pagesize = n.to_i > end > > end > > begin > optparse.parse! > rescue OptionParser::InvalidOption, OptionParser::MissingArgument => e > puts e > puts optparse > exit 1 > end > > puts "^+++" > loop do > pagesize.times do > if line = gets > puts line > else > puts "^+++" > exit > end > end > print "More..." > system "stty raw" > STDIN.getc > system "stty -raw" > end > > -- > Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F > http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 23:41:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DA3B1065679 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 23:41:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fluffy@fluffy.khv.ru) Received: from forward14.mail.yandex.net (forward14.mail.yandex.net [95.108.130.92]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D68808FC13 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 23:41:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from web156.yandex.ru (web156.yandex.ru [95.108.131.169]) by forward14.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 18E3119816A7; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 02:41:26 +0300 (MSK) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by web156.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id 067CF42382B7; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 02:41:26 +0300 (MSK) Received: from ael-to-khstu-gw.ael.ru (ael-to-khstu-gw.ael.ru [62.76.207.10]) by mail.yandex.ru with HTTP; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 02:41:25 +0300 From: Dima Panov To: David Demelier In-Reply-To: <4D4EE0F6.3000404@gmail.com> References: <4D4EC363.70202@gmail.com> <187091297011132@web140.yandex.ru> <4D4EE0F6.3000404@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <510961298245285@web156.yandex.ru> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:41:25 +1000 X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Set tty resolution using hint.sc.0.flags with VESA X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 23:41:36 -0000 Hello! 07.02.2011, 03:57, "David Demelier" : > On 06/02/2011 17:52, Dima Panov wrote: > >> šHello! >> >> š[fluffy@Beastie] ~$ cat /boot/device.hints|grep sc.0 >> šhint.sc.0.at="isa" >> šhint.sc.0.flags="0x180" >> šhint.sc.0.vesa_mode=0x1f0 > > absolutely great! But where did you find these vesa_mode setting? It's > not documented anywhere. man sc, at SYNOPSIS part But I have -CURRENT -- Dima Panov (fluffy@FreeBSD.org) KDE@FreeBSD team Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/?id=100000181104157 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 23:59:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59A08106566B for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 23:59:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19F848FC13 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 23:59:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-22-230-24.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.22.230.24] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PrJBT-0008FP-AK for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 15:59:24 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 20 Feb 2011 15:59:24 -0800 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 15:59:24 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20110220235924.GB2220@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Mailing List References: <20110219233736.GA20393@thought.org> <20110219235240.GA2495@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110220002300.GA21231@thought.org> <20110220004200.GC2495@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110220004432.GD2495@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110220084235.GA30569@thought.org> <20110220164410.GB66537@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110220225622.GA13744@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="s2ZSL+KKDSLx8OML" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110220225622.GA13744@thought.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Cc: Subject: Re: variable line-display pager? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 23:59:30 -0000 --s2ZSL+KKDSLx8OML Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Gary Kline on Sunday, 20 February 2011: > On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 08:44:10AM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > > Quoth Gary Kline on Sunday, 20 February 2011: > > > > >=20 > > > Yes, this is much nicer that the more -15 that messes up the > > > text with it's [MORE...] white within black. But here you can't > > > just tap the spacebar; is there a way around that and > > > turning it into a space...? > > >=20 > > > Also, can you insert=20 > > >=20 > > > "^+++" > > >=20 > > > text > > >=20 > > > "^+++" > > >=20 > > > top And bottom? Pretty sure that the user would have the large > > > font to read aloug with that espeak read to hijm. Having the > > > top/bottom delimiters might make scanning the text easier. =20 > > >=20 > > > (It messed up with more. > > >=20 > > > Anyway, thanks foe something that actually works, :_) > > >=20 > > > gary > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > --=20 > > > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Servic= e Unix > > > Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org > > > The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org > > >=20 > > Better? > >=20 > The code does what you tell it to. It puts the +++ string > before the output and following the EOF. I was thinking of > having: >=20 > +++ > 15 lines of text > +++ >=20 > After espeak speaks these lines, the user hits the spacebar and > another=20 >=20 > +++ > 15 lines > +++ >=20 > until EOF. I know zero ruby and am still learhnning python. > Thanks much for getting me going with ruby! FRom here on it is > just logic, :_) >=20 > gary >=20 >=20 I'm guessing you can see where to make that change, but let me know if you need help. --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com --s2ZSL+KKDSLx8OML Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNYarcAAoJEIpckszW26+RiEIIAMCVzA7DVf7einc+5nGs7ac0 sMIIifZrOBdNt+mNuBjpmx7Gr1yiZKIY/dRVeAYnDvnq1Vrac34RCo9amAMmAwsN 92RspnthcM/srCxodZGuQEHDZovwjcHmdt4e5vkjCmO6wjdPQJUf5LzzIDzoscZC E5x4oWMqP5UyICYmfI7HdGX4voRne7eHJKnkC1+YM9mxlBdVAz1r6/O1ecHHNfF0 ymz+nqmjxjsPKiLMoDu6AT75N26lMZ6P+pQ9BvFz4CUN81so+cYxm7X+OO7P+F57 zZrbgh2Z4GrXhF4gmDnCQBJ1XO9j2iIaqkTNjvv0Px4W63UxvXyKlRPGZZTb7AU= =YdXe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --s2ZSL+KKDSLx8OML-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 01:15:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF9921065693 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 01:15:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xnooby@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f44.google.com (mail-bw0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5355D8FC19 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 01:15:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz13 with SMTP id 13so1889615bwz.17 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 17:15:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=BdYzlk17WPGFmthJshYXtFsIN/Z6Y4WncuGmzuaPmnU=; b=ALyfkR9knaztwfknqtsYdpX8IlJW08TqP/+g7lYU9ytH9vhPi+IrM9YrhiaCMYpAjw aCMyC69tMGxSZEVK7fDdSwVlbOV+Fzk3uzBEje3ilZcfrZZf9YPJlpF3utzp5eYrD/3K fzCF512p4OdG/g8VdIc+SwdX837yOhNjUHOyo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=ZGVnJn84n7K2hV9qoRrUyWxGtxOFmDjAIhYd32wzqPjPvyNAPFrRoUMu6xN2HLdTqC 5jTDllLIlG4ROsN3JiAddBOxkvDic3exdj/zZ4elpzIhHxOM4hJyBImktIw5tZaOhmoH DzCrKBI4eZcGb0pw+ehns26mtVcuiGS0dgYmU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.64.139 with SMTP id e11mr754894bki.97.1298250930103; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 17:15:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.73.213 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 17:15:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 20:15:30 -0500 Message-ID: From: Xn Nooby To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Can FreeBSD be made to be as polished a desktop as Linux Mint? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 01:15:31 -0000 I was wondering if there were any technical reasons why a FreeBSD desktop could not be hand-tweaked to be as nice as a Linux Mint 10 desktop. I only rarely use Linux Mint 10, but it's desktop and webrowsing seem to be about perfect (albeit green). The Gnome UI is very smooth to interact with, and website fonts in Firefox look better than on Windows. When I install gnome2 and firefox via pkg_add, everything works, but it is not as glassy smooth as LM10. I think the PC-BSD people are working on a Gnome-version, so I could wait and see what they put together. I was just curious if there was any technical reason why this could be done. I assume if they both use xorg, then it is possible. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 01:18:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89E52106564A for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 01:18:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6216A8FC13 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 01:18:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 31DCBE8070A; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 17:18:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 17:18:02 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20110221011755.GA16912@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: Subject: revised pager..... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 01:18:03 -0000 THis is to the entire list, mostly to Chip. It is o8.rb, my very slightly tweaked version of what you ma/// rather, what i found and began messing with a couple, three hours ago. I searched++ and could not find the C equivalent of "if counter % N == 0" in ruby. For some reason, use of parens in ruby seems to be discouraged. Anyway, I would have coded that ruby line as if ( counter % 15) == 0 but didn't want to risk it since i don't know ruby. Anyway, o8.rb included. This version, using the "[][][][][]" to emulate a bar, makes reading a reasonably-sized bunch of text much easier. Thanks again for your help. -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix %%%% ruby script appended. #!/usr/bin/env ruby require 'optparse' pagesize = 15 count = 0 optparse = OptionParser.new do |opts| opts.banner = 'usage: npg [-n pagesize] file...' opts.on('-n', '--numlines pagesize', 'Specify page size in number of lines') do |n| pagesize = n.to_i end end begin optparse.parse! rescue OptionParser::InvalidOption, OptionParser::MissingArgument => e puts e puts optparse exit 1 end loop do if count == 0 puts("\n[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]") count += 1 end pagesize.times do if line = gets puts line if count % 15 == 0 puts("===") count = 0 end else exit end end puts("\n[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]\n\n") print "More..." system "stty raw" STDIN.getc system "stty -raw" end From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 01:26:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B054106566C for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 01:26:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2041D8FC21 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 01:26:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-22-230-24.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.22.230.24] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PrKXR-0007bA-CB for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 17:26:10 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 20 Feb 2011 17:26:11 -0800 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 17:26:11 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20110221012610.GC2220@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Mailing List References: <20110221011755.GA16912@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="kVXhAStRUZ/+rrGn" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110221011755.GA16912@thought.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Cc: Subject: Re: revised pager..... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 01:26:16 -0000 --kVXhAStRUZ/+rrGn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Gary Kline on Sunday, 20 February 2011: > THis is to the entire list, mostly to Chip. It is o8.rb, my=20 > very slightly tweaked version of what you ma/// rather, what i > found and began messing with a couple, three hours ago. >=20 > I searched++ and could not find the C equivalent of > "if counter % N =3D=3D 0" in ruby. For some reason, use of parens > in ruby seems to be discouraged. Anyway, I would have coded that > ruby line as=20 >=20 > if ( counter % 15) =3D=3D 0 >=20 > but didn't want to risk it since i don't know ruby. >=20 > Anyway, o8.rb included. This version, using the "[][][][][]" to > emulate a bar, makes reading a reasonably-sized bunch of text > much easier. >=20 > Thanks again for your help. =20 >=20 > --=20 > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Un= ix >=20 Try this version instead. There's no need to find the % 15, we're already paging on the specified number. #!/usr/bin/env ruby require 'optparse' def banner print "\n[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]\n\n" end pagesize =3D 15 optparse =3D OptionParser.new do |opts| opts.banner =3D 'usage: npg [-n pagesize] file...' opts.on('-n', '--numlines pagesize', 'Specify page size in number of line= s') do |n| pagesize =3D n.to_i end end begin optparse.parse! rescue OptionParser::InvalidOption, OptionParser::MissingArgument =3D> e puts e puts optparse exit 1 end banner loop do pagesize.times do if line =3D gets puts line else banner exit end end banner print "More..." system "stty raw" STDIN.getc system "stty -raw" banner end --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com --kVXhAStRUZ/+rrGn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNYb8yAAoJEIpckszW26+ROigH/2HXwm/KqHhSxLb11u8Lz4nZ 1lSfZAEhxnvWAsuDQgi6w0VDDq7+kX8J2fedIOTKippIL4wsIGj8ALVAZv2BF/rv PQzonva9zvrCztfLZ+IEzb5WHk+eqwet9XETuefQg5MKZgo4RMiVmwLWEKo9CHHh 9svgMo8E4+okqJDDarfhLuxmeVeUGA5jY4DklHuswdv2fL8R4KBHk7qGZLURZU/x kAZeOy1Fbuf9uFDNU9LuLQgPiJ0uv3ZmiUG4US0OlptLFi0O8n1LuZSgasghuxe7 XwSutDqLoc5eAWs/OLzdEN39rrclMqpd/7nLHotnJ0QAH0qEhKDL7dE/xdHj1p4= =/efy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --kVXhAStRUZ/+rrGn-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 01:29:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3BCE106566B for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 01:29:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E438FC0A for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 01:29:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb32 with SMTP id 32so1353216wyb.13 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 17:29:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/uIzMVuppw+ghbW42Ra1Ih884YzHvaOG+nZRz2wH4hE=; b=iyut81EXeciqtjOftI9dZUz8XV2o+kXa7tN1PUeddjOmK2vzoiDMduOrOQSNldQ5IX iKvdppgfuSKKlLb94VU+Dm04t5NU5X2m5FTw5n7Tn4g/mNDDEkh/XQ8Hie3AmLAJD28D PIWjBOx5WQQ5tKJq3NlWv4tNPyx3h7KBHQY7k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=TbIeoCGQFghvY9ISfHxsTQNIzsZLYSS7G/QwVErpbTq0gT/kk6pA19AYqCgrgh0JCc kpGsvXMy+APFJ+Zv0ZJLiVrvZ7IFn/WjGpCuSRKXaeo5Kr7xjaILCXtosJnbxYz3br8v HgHSMNQHhm22dXf2qsLTkIVTSx/jDR34wvfWo= Received: by 10.227.195.137 with SMTP id ec9mr641371wbb.218.1298251786786; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 17:29:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f27sm1899020wbf.1.2011.02.20.17.29.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 20 Feb 2011 17:29:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 01:29:42 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110221012942.7774d06d@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Flac and/or shell problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 01:29:50 -0000 I found a recipe for converting flac to mp3: flac -cd in.flac | lame -h - out.mp3 and I thought I might be able to able to combine multiple flac files into a single mp3 file with something like the following: ( flac -cd file1.flac ; flac -cd file2.flac ) | lame -h - both.mp3 but in practice only the first flac command is executed (see below) I imagine it would be possible to convert to multiple mp3 files and join those, but I'm curious as to why it fails as a shell script. -------------------------------------------------------------------- $ ( flac -cd file1.flac ; flac -cd file2.flac ) | lame -h - both.mp3 flac 1.2.1, Copyright (C) 2000,2001,2002,2003,2004,2005,2006,2007 Josh Coalson flac comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions. Type `flac' for details. file1.flac: done flac 1.2.1, Copyright (C) 2000,2001,2002,2003,2004,2005,2006,2007 Josh Coalson flac comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions. Type `flac' for details. LAME 3.98.4 32bits (http://www.mp3dev.org/) CPU features: MMX (ASM used), 3DNow! (ASM used), SSE, SSE2 Using polyphase lowpass filter, transition band: 16538 Hz - 17071 Hz Encoding to both.mp3 Encoding as 44.1 kHz j-stereo MPEG-1 Layer III (11x) 128 kbps qval=2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 01:37:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07811065679 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 01:37:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [66.147.249.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 88F818FC1B for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 01:37:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 14585 invoked by uid 0); 21 Feb 2011 01:37:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy1.bluehost.com.bluehost.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2011 01:37:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=Sq4N5XNfmxlJAujwAI1tb+sjVneGzyKZ7php5emNSLc4D+/bdCXnisg4QJLPjQa69uy6nZi/cj40bdaNEOzd75KUebqtR7/Bylsm4iyjfc8IRiaIVpHkJ0XbFDq5Ev+0; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PrKiS-0001wP-RA for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:37:33 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:26:57 -0700 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:26:57 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110221012657.GA94501@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jRHKVT23PllUwdXP" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Can FreeBSD be made to be as polished a desktop as Linux Mint? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 01:37:34 -0000 --jRHKVT23PllUwdXP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 08:15:30PM -0500, Xn Nooby wrote: > I was wondering if there were any technical reasons why a FreeBSD > desktop could not be hand-tweaked to be as nice as a Linux Mint 10 > desktop. I only rarely use Linux Mint 10, but it's desktop and > webrowsing seem to be about perfect (albeit green). The Gnome UI is > very smooth to interact with, and website fonts in Firefox look better > than on Windows. When I install gnome2 and firefox via pkg_add, > everything works, but it is not as glassy smooth as LM10. I think the > PC-BSD people are working on a Gnome-version, so I could wait and see > what they put together. I was just curious if there was any technical > reason why this could be done. I assume if they both use xorg, then it > is possible. What exactly do you mean by "glassy smooth"? Are you talking about how it looks? If so, you probably just need to turn on compositing (which requires an appropriate graphics card) and install a GTK theme suitable to the kind of look you want. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --jRHKVT23PllUwdXP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1hv2EACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUxVgCg+WXlblVi3cqtqM15I28/4trX 1/YAoM1S5GCE9T2hhFW3b1mJ95QezgLu =fi7F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jRHKVT23PllUwdXP-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 02:37:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 833BC106566B for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 02:37:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27A658FC19 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 02:37:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1L2baQ2058431 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 19:37:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p1L2baYZ058428 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 19:37:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 19:37:36 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 20 Feb 2011 19:37:37 -0700 (MST) Cc: Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 02:37:38 -0000 Dropped the last line of the script. Also lined up the seds to show the regex is the same in both. #!/bin/sh DESTDIR="./" COMPFILE=".cshrc" PSTR=`echo "${DESTDIR}${COMPFILE}" | sed 's%\([?:.%\\]\)%\\\1%g'` echo ${PSTR} PSTR=$(echo "${DESTDIR}${COMPFILE}" | sed 's%\([?:.%\\]\)%\\\1%g') echo ${PSTR} Also, the difference is in escapes; two more backslashes added to the backtick version make it work: PSTR=`echo "${DESTDIR}${COMPFILE}" | sed 's#\([?:.%\\]\)#\\\\\1#g'` echo ${PSTR} Still: aren't backticks and $() supposed to be equivalent? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 02:49:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D68C8106564A for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 02:49:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 839273@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yi0-f54.google.com (mail-yi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 583B98FC0A for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 02:49:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yie19 with SMTP id 19so2403337yie.13 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:49:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IyxopzHu7Ui/DHF6VZS79ZDTdd+29OHtrZfg0S+e1xg=; b=N4NoV4MzdhVrsaVPD6HgpPk+I72Yy43hinJUSNuZRvTs+Glldc+aAed2cAFfMcBxnk 5y1uDP7yLCLN+bi4HK/sk5N5uTCshKQoBGVD/sg3t0evtpgsbJOcQ6XjlB10K8+V2umT p9lCVLMCbc4KBwsyUgTCNLPO7Ui3Zq/LZD7D8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=ipuc0DD5IJFGXqda3rMumo03vm9E9j/2E5mbPK31J34LVv7TWM68HdJsU1mVzwF39c KiHOaz8YhwHJPWBHvw54VcsosOC+Cj4sp4YMXRHhFv46Jjb85c7mGBnx9zEqyrzUWKK6 i6uRTCibW47bylHRUfgbzsWCxCiMCC9oWsAH0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.95.4 with SMTP id x4mr1054766ybl.230.1298256589359; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:49:49 -0800 (PST) Sender: 839273@gmail.com Received: by 10.151.110.10 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:49:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4D61599E.4040008@gmail.com> References: <4D61599E.4040008@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 22:19:49 -0430 X-Google-Sender-Auth: bGqNeU0DDD_3yokNinfErmNr7TM Message-ID: From: Andres Perera To: David Demelier Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: 839273@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 02:49:50 -0000 On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 1:42 PM, David Demelier wrote: > > I'd prefere $() rather than ``. It's more powerful, for example you can > write a multiple $() but not `` see : that's not true for i in bash dash mksh; do echo $i: $i <<'!' echo `echo 1\`echo 2\\\`echo 3\\\\\\\`echo 4\\\\\\\`\\\`\`` ! done bash: 1234 dash: 1234 mksh: 1234 > > markand@Abricot ~ $ echo $(basename $(which dmesg)) > dmesg > > markand@Abricot ~ $ echo `basename `which dmesg`` > usage: basename string [suffix] > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 basename [-a] [-s suffix] string [...] > which dmesg > > Of course the example code is useless but shows the limitations of ``. > Nowadays all shells supports $() so I advise you to use it :). no, not all shells support $() > > Cheers, > > -- > David Demelier > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 03:03:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 814B0106566B for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 03:03:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 839273@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yi0-f54.google.com (mail-yi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 398D68FC08 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 03:03:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yie19 with SMTP id 19so2406290yie.13 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 19:03:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0QcvJIYY8euaJq2WvKNGftBbbOtdTf0fxJ1xp6ypCOI=; b=f4HdrheN/goKUxf5hKAwlKtFXXORzxyB0jHg/0SwrLXBrZECLEmq/jzJ1pipv8mddc Ay4OF8PiPLl6TirDNTpTmGJbA30GLc4w/8uOLWO6Edho576wntIQ67hbpKoP2N+G5P4v wLhdbNqK29D5vfyAyOoN9ndMRYVXXQscKeLoQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=vi0Ij9szY5WSq4WX6ptc2DSULYWXX9drrX0E0BIJOZtwevPJBRRTam26OCKV7qBhB7 4BIpenA3cxSHgQVVmqlMPX8zIfxnj6rzWJS6h1zQ5HiRTVM9fUZ3dLaSgUSq4Rd5u4Vn P32LYGO/HTWXydz1PP2pjbbNdzAyce5LT2618= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.192.1 with SMTP id p1mr1063557ybf.116.1298255991723; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:39:51 -0800 (PST) Sender: 839273@gmail.com Received: by 10.151.110.10 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:39:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 22:09:51 -0430 X-Google-Sender-Auth: W3iks64Zu_Ab8zNSOsjkqVieyPM Message-ID: From: Andres Perera To: Warren Block Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: 839273@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 03:03:11 -0000 On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Warren Block wrote: > > With backticks, the backreference \1 never seems to be replaced with the > actual pattern, regardless of search pattern. =C2=A0Tested on 8-stable an= d > 9-current. this isn't really new and it's not particular to freebsd sh(1) for i in bash dash mksh; do echo $i: $i <<'!' ra=3D` printf %s 's%\([?:.%\\]\)%\\\1%g'` rb=3D$(printf %s 's%\([?:.%\\]\)%\\\1%g') printf %s\\n "$ra" "$rb" ! done bash: s%\([?:.%\]\)%\\1%g s%\([?:.%\\]\)%\\\1%g dash: s%\([?:.%\]\)%\\1%g s%\([?:.%\\]\)%\\\1%g mksh: s%\([?:.%\]\)%\\1%g s%\([?:.%\\]\)%\\\1%g if you add another backslash to double-slashes in backticks: for i in bash dash mksh; do echo $i: && $i <<'!' echo $i: ra=3D` printf %s 's%\([?:.%\\\]\)%\\\\\1%g'` rb=3D$(printf %s 's%\([?:.%\\]\)%\\\1%g') printf %s\\n "$ra" "$rb" ! done bash: s%\([?:.%\\]\)%\\\1%g s%\([?:.%\\]\)%\\\1%g dash: s%\([?:.%\\]\)%\\\1%g s%\([?:.%\\]\)%\\\1%g mksh: s%\([?:.%\\]\)%\\\1%g s%\([?:.%\\]\)%\\\1%g no, backticks are not supposed to be equivalent From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 04:44:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE3B0106564A for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 04:44:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bluethundr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A2C28FC08 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 04:44:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so221871iwn.13 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 20:44:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=qYt5xO3P9nrnY9SEtngPGjH6lJ3l0kexECmN1pUrh3E=; b=LPUT8I+zxrpYfMRGTmctA7vrWeZfdsArAG5aliPp/LAxRp1JyrOrEwC+Hx7dNe/SlR ZUR5GvvaFyn9Z7xczGoNV71ma5IKB6DqFJryexCykGJEHtOVfiAKs0kYFClnAbMSAwvm NBhp9G5+Jo87k/4hoSxX+vc2NK+Ip/jlOGqLs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=aoyCib6fcPGJmhD/hMcn/MWcQsPbghVauWtEwC6C2+bsKrGIXi8QVlMkuT6mZ7gDbb 0iavTEIqk8wvS4kUhbzOk6ZNxGMeVZvpxJaheVkv3HR4RYSaBoWcQNSZhFEdhJgQ0vX/ ytQ97aqW3w7zQ1jh6GrC0hSlngd1KRst7bvqQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.221.197 with SMTP id id5mr1335468icb.512.1298261771700; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 20:16:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.228.7 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 20:16:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 23:16:11 -0500 Message-ID: From: Tim Dunphy To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: openldap not starting X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 04:44:09 -0000 hello list!! I am building an ldap server on freebsd 8.1. For some reason if I include the inetorgperson schema in my slapd.conf slapd will not start here is the listing in slapd.conf # See slapd.conf(5) for details on configuration options. # This file should NOT be world readable. # include /usr/local/etc/openldap/schema/core.schema include /usr/local/etc/openldap/schema/inetorgpreson.schema I do not know why this is the case as I can ls the file: [root@LBSD2:/usr/local/etc/openldap] #ls -l /usr/local/etc/openldap/schema/inetorgperson.schema -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 6360 Feb 21 03:13 /usr/local/etc/openldap/schema/inetorgperson.schema If I comment out the inetorg schema slapd starts. And it looks like the ownership and permissions are the same as they are on the schema that is currently working: [root@LBSD2:/usr/local/etc/openldap] #ls -l /usr/local/etc/openldap/schema/core.schema -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 20583 Feb 21 03:13 /usr/local/etc/openldap/schema/core.schema Boy would I love to get this working again! :) thanks for your help! -- GPG me!! gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys F186197B From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 05:30:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A153106566B for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 05:30:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email2.allantgroup.com (email2.emsphone.com [199.67.51.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0E008FC19 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 05:30:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by email2.allantgroup.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1L5Ujad076688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 20 Feb 2011 23:30:46 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1L5UjH0013411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 20 Feb 2011 23:30:45 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p1L5UjEY013410; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 23:30:45 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 23:30:44 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: Alexander Best Message-ID: <20110221053044.GM66849@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20110219024726.GA3909@freebsd.org> <4D5FB2C7.7060200@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110219121242.GA55551@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110219121242.GA55551@freebsd.org> X-OS: FreeBSD 8.2-PRERELEASE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.4 at email2.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (email2.allantgroup.com [199.67.51.78]); Sun, 20 Feb 2011 23:30:46 -0600 (CST) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 199.67.51.78 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: booting a kernel directly from stage 1/2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 05:30:47 -0000 In the last episode (Feb 19), Alexander Best said: > On Sat Feb 19 11, Matthew Seaman wrote: > > On 19/02/2011 02:47, Alexander Best wrote: > > > but that won't work. i get some numbers and then it says: > > > btx halted or something like that. > > > > Can't you boot into fixit mode from installation media? That should > > allow you to repair the boot blocks and make your system bootable again. > > sorry if i wasn't clear enough. my system works perfectly normal. all i > want is to avoid running through the booting stage 3 (i.e. running > /boot/loader), because i want to speed up the boot time. I don't think that's been possible for a long time. /boot/loader shouldn't add more than a fraction of a second if you set its timeout to 0. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 06:22:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A71C106564A for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 06:22:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8CD88FC0A for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 06:22:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1L6MKUL080442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 21 Feb 2011 06:22:20 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p1L6MKUL080442 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1298269341; bh=4SV4cZzkHx4VEJYQ/vR7dZcwF6ODSqkFrxSq03olF6o=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4D620494.3050100@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20M on,=2021=20Feb=202011=2006:22:12=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-US=3B=20r v:1.9.2.13)=20Gecko/20101207=20Thunderbird/3.1.7|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20Tim=20Dunphy=20|CC:=20freebsd-quest ions=20|Subject:=20Re:=20openldap=2 0not=20starting|References:=20|In-Reply-To:=20|X-Enigmail-Vers ion:=201.1.1|OpenPGP:=20id=3D60AE908C|Content-Type:=20multipart/si gned=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp -signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enigA0EF33D39B2B62C 9E7890126"; b=Jwp/+ZqchPNuUE+xGG8IzhyduUFQKs2iHk2WrvlrWzy9mtyQZFZgUWn3hauYlkWrl rgL8Lq8FwddE/RCMvXWzGxN1FiFImL1aHtmihW0IoNnVIVYfSFiWKKNEUF68q3HBMl 3Xec32r9TB5cW6MCqH2b72izx3YTvXnuvkrjib/E= Message-ID: <4D620494.3050100@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 06:22:12 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Dunphy References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigA0EF33D39B2B62C9E7890126" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: openldap not starting X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 06:22:24 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigA0EF33D39B2B62C9E7890126 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 21/02/2011 04:16, Tim Dunphy wrote: > I am building an ldap server on freebsd 8.1. >=20 > For some reason if I include the inetorgperson schema in my slapd.conf > slapd will not start openldap is like that: if it has a problem with your config, it exits. The trick is to get it to tell you what the problem is. Turn up all the logging to max and hunt for clues in the log files. You'll get a lot of log info, pretty much tracing out everything the server does. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigA0EF33D39B2B62C9E7890126 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1iBJsACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzIdgCaApmBU3DuX9sosc+90m3z+Kxd 35gAoJAugeQmQDOSjCy2lwjXOM3wfTD7 =GTVA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigA0EF33D39B2B62C9E7890126-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 07:36:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E561065675 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 07:36:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grarpamp@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pw0-f54.google.com (mail-pw0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20AE28FC15 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 07:36:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pwj8 with SMTP id 8so485823pwj.13 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 23:36:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=lJcElDXW5WrPl+RdfMA2J51eHZ20jNp4VhqV1BaWM0w=; b=M0BuVEtMoW08P3COZKzWUwUYDAuwkyACTl292gBwbxAbbVpgjNL8VX3aJShMtEw7uP ThTf55sdZ5KjrjCMYMqn8Cb7YHu3m67tfSYJtEu6df4P0WtMvUUDAbZsgu8+8G4fkOPo tZ6Q8qk2jBLeZLsH8udm9Fvk4DlfSZh/aurd8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=HpWjzw9+IHKs162mRHwQ7JImq91Juz/XU7G+fTTf7axdsA8BIRpZ7RxLGVuvnxwSn5 bX0MjtuptHg7XD9toBnWSPDWMeLDY46Wmdj2lUuKbc4oybDcMTOkpfalof3sADy72yiO JKgQXx/ThB//nvjuVF20yc9Wy/zysXGoOijnY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.65.39 with SMTP id n39mr944494wfa.300.1298272300509; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 23:11:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.50.20 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 23:11:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 02:11:40 -0500 Message-ID: From: grarpamp To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [FYI] Bittorrent for 8.2 release X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 07:36:57 -0000 Some observations for those considering using bt this time... Vuze 4.6.0.2 under OpenJDK7 works fine. You need to grab swt-devel, log4j, junit, commons-cli. If you're using the ancient Vuze port, just replace the Vuze jar from that with the current one from sourceforge. Until swt is updated, you probably want the classic or console display. Dtorrent trunk works fine. QBitTorrent looks interesting. As do a couple other native FreeBSD clients. cdrtools works fine. (thanks joerg) As soon at the 8.2 torrent file is posted to the tracker, a number of folks I know will be seeding on the FreeBSD tracker and maybe on into openbittorrent. If you normally get the iso's via ftp, give bt a try, works great :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 09:15:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D9E31065670 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:15:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andreas.junius@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f54.google.com (mail-pz0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E13C8FC08 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:15:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk32 with SMTP id 32so134901pzk.13 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 01:15:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:reply-to:organization :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=8w7gnzQMClVaibxJe/z9p40w9iTHpy1+N7Zyupnwwcw=; b=bIPlIEFEJr4PwmF/ztH4mtxHdxMzV4rQefNUaO5DzbowtbrxybVqOmRt0br7I1LPOM KGEzewusl+gPp6OYkRTxYxrdj2WVwKpttW9r/iToyafgu7Pt1UFNeA3XYxkwJRfv3YXG KTFOiFUJTstA2L+uq7I60ucaE4Ox6g0dI67hI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:organization:user-agent:mime-version :to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PD6JesdoiEx/FgHuUsu/eVRujEo+TKpxTOu4bSyaovdOD8c0YqYkzmz0kuNq7QNFzU dNp3yhIqsyzoaK8yseaf7awopJVTs9bjhVYMaKXFBaHjrlDsGV+kmvhE/Zh6bHjxxWyH w72LeTxH89NutUrs73LNcglgKXhA3sXL1Iurg= Received: by 10.142.43.12 with SMTP id q12mr1006552wfq.226.1298278115061; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 00:48:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (ppp203-122-217-229.static.internode.on.net [203.122.217.229]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w32sm4226075wfh.7.2011.02.21.00.48.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 21 Feb 2011 00:48:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D6226DC.6020604@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 19:18:28 +1030 From: Andreas Junius Organization: javanerd.com.au User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: How to install Tomcat 7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: andreas.junius@googlemail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:15:26 -0000 Hi All, This is my first post to this list, so I hope I get it right. I'm new to both Unix and freeBSD and I've been doing my first steps for three days now. I was able to install Java and Tomcat 6, because these products are part of the ports directory. However I'd prefer Tomcat 7, so I got the tomcat7.tar.gz and extracted the files to /usr/ports/www/tomcat7. The I tried the following and got the message: # pwd /usr/ports/www/tomcat7 # make install clean ===> Vulnerability check disabled, database not found ===> License accepted by the user => apache-tomcat-7.0.6.tar.gz is not in /usr/ports/www/tomcat7/distinfo. => Either /usr/ports/www/tomcat7/distinfo is out of date, or => apache-tomcat-7.0.6.tar.gz is spelled incorrectly. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/www/tomcat7. To be honest, I don't understand that message. That file apache-tomcat-7.0.6.tar.gz can't be in /usr/ports/www/tomcat7/distinfo, because distinfo is a file and not a directory. What went wrong? I got the missing file, however where is it supposed to be? Thanks for help, AndyJ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 09:26:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 540DC106564A for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:26:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christer.solskogen@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F19D8FC18 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:26:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxc34 with SMTP id 34so155787vxc.13 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 01:26:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=PDkmT+nZHsGWvCqBHHdIzKHovaAq9bX/k/DH40JViGg=; b=q238ypTmKwq4022sEjr0LZf6A+kGh6gEBLi+B1546IY+tTRjvz38/r74eb+rcfV7yT kC1Smii2l/mkTzhAW0g5FW/I480z9L01IZSYITFhQNRTwVk4qA8RKx7KPYuEG+ihTowi ryL9MJ1qDQvSkhYdsH/9j4Ua1ng36Cz7BQkYY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=slp12HQxdJFFiuS/TpZCsSh685tkjKUDgT0Z/nbM1cHTiqPofnBO5yjzoS+NpwMGXD V80J0PbREzCPcp19dGOypcib8hK0941y7OjE5U0OVfAt9YXPGFimKW7iKw1pUKGnSX/0 W8d8YRyEaDoROYZWvIE216jvEGZsmj5XRZYbg= Received: by 10.52.169.34 with SMTP id ab2mr1431190vdc.168.1298280411121; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 01:26:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.155.73 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 01:26:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4D6226DC.6020604@googlemail.com> References: <4D6226DC.6020604@googlemail.com> From: Christer Solskogen Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:26:31 +0100 Message-ID: To: andreas.junius@googlemail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Andreas Junius , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to install Tomcat 7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:26:52 -0000 On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Andreas Junius wrote: > To be honest, I don't understand that message. That file > apache-tomcat-7.0.6.tar.gz can't be in /usr/ports/www/tomcat7/distinfo, > because distinfo is a file and not a directory. What went wrong? I got the > missing file, however where is it supposed to be? > Could you post your /etc/make.conf, please? All of it. I suspect there is something terribly wrong there. -- chs, From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 10:35:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF96C106566C for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:35:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6711F8FC15 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:35:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PrT6c-0001Pm-AE for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 11:35:02 +0100 Received: from pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.85.36]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 11:35:02 +0100 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 11:35:02 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 05:36:58 -0500 Lines: 60 Message-ID: References: <4D6226DC.6020604@googlemail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net Subject: Re: How to install Tomcat 7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:35:04 -0000 Andreas Junius wrote: > Hi All, > > This is my first post to this list, so I hope I get it right. I'm new to > both Unix and freeBSD and I've been doing my first steps for three days > now. I was able to install Java and Tomcat 6, because these products are > part of the ports directory. However I'd prefer Tomcat 7, so I got the > tomcat7.tar.gz and extracted the files to /usr/ports/www/tomcat7. Sorry but this is not the way this works. Maybe study the sections in the Handbook which explain how to install software on FreeBSD. This is just totally a wrong procedure. > The I tried the following and got the message: > > # pwd > /usr/ports/www/tomcat7 > # make install clean > ===> Vulnerability check disabled, database not found > ===> License accepted by the user > => apache-tomcat-7.0.6.tar.gz is not in /usr/ports/www/tomcat7/distinfo. > => Either /usr/ports/www/tomcat7/distinfo is out of date, or > => apache-tomcat-7.0.6.tar.gz is spelled incorrectly. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/www/tomcat7. > > > To be honest, I don't understand that message. That file > apache-tomcat-7.0.6.tar.gz can't be in /usr/ports/www/tomcat7/distinfo, > because distinfo is a file and not a directory. What went wrong? I got > the missing file, however where is it supposed to be? > The distinfo file contains a checksum hash and file size for the expected tarball. The message means the tarball isn't a match. When you try to make a port, it will fetch the source tarball and place it into /usr/ports/distfiles. What seems so totally bizarre about this is you indicated you installed Java and Tomcat 6 successfully? Why not just remove Tomcat 6 and install Tomcat 7 using a method which already worked to install Tomcat 6? Repair the damage you've done to /usr/ports/www/tomcat7. You can just rm -rf the entire directory and a ports tree refresh will fix it for you. Then change into /usr/ports/www/tomcat6 and do make deinstall. This removes Tomcat 6. Then cd to /usr/ports/www/tomcat7 and do make install clean. You do not need to be concerned with downloading the tarball, the port will fetch it for you. If you aren't clear on how to update the ports tree prior to installing or updating software this is covered in the Handbook. Dependency tracking depends on the ports tree. I suspect that you tried to 'add' the tomcat7 port to a stale ports tree, but the proper thing is to update the entire ports tree, as there is already a tomcat7 port present. Trying to add just one port to an old, out of date ports tree is asking for dependency issues. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 10:48:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C121065670 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:48:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Received: from ifdnrg29.ifdnrg.com (outbound.ifdnrg.com [193.200.98.138]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB6D88FC0A for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:48:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.85] (93-97-172-73.zone5.bethere.co.uk [93.97.172.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by ifdnrg29.ifdnrg.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1LAmFXh063430 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:48:16 GMT (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Message-ID: <4D6242ED.10400@ifdnrg.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:48:13 +0000 From: Paul Macdonald User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Supermicro problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:48:18 -0000 Hi, I had some major trouble getting a new install of BSD onto an oldish supermicro box ( i386). This box ran with 6.2-REL for ages fine, but didn't like a remote upgrade to 8.1-REL, it also seems fine on 7.3-REL. - 8.1-REL wouldn't get past cd bootloader, stated various irq errors ( floppy disk controller mainly, even after this and all serial ports had been disabled in bios). sorry, I don't have the full error message but it was fatal page faults, with address violations. - interim test of ubuntu 10.10-server-i386 installed fine -7.3-REL installed no errors, but on a binary upgrade to 8.1 reverted to same errors as above reinstall of 7.3 worked ok and is running fine now Although its an older server, i don't have any reason to suspect hardware issues. Its has a peculiar bios and attempts to get serial access working on any of the successful installs usually ended in weird failures.. Paul. Copyright (c) 1992-2010 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 7.3-RELEASE #0: Sun Mar 21 06:15:01 UTC 2010 root@walker.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.40GHz (2399.34-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0xf25 Stepping = 5 Features=0xbfebfbff Features2=0x4400 Logical CPUs per core: 2 real memory = 2146959360 (2047 MB) avail memory = 2091282432 (1994 MB) MPTable: < Kings Canyon> FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 4 CPUs cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP/HT): APIC ID: 1 cpu2 (AP): APIC ID: 6 cpu3 (AP/HT): APIC ID: 7 ioapic0: Assuming intbase of 0 ioapic1: Assuming intbase of 24 ioapic2: Assuming intbase of 48 ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard ioapic1 irqs 24-47 on motherboard ioapic2 irqs 48-71 on motherboard kbd1 at kbdmux0 pcib0: pcibus 0 on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 pci0: at device 0.1 (no driver attached) pcib1: at device 2.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 pcib2: at device 29.0 on pci1 pci2: on pcib2 em0: port 0x3000-0x303f mem 0xf8200000-0xf821ffff irq 54 at device 3.0 on pci2 em0: [FILTER] em0: Ethernet address: 00:30:48:2c:76:f0 em1: port 0x3040-0x307f mem 0xf8220000-0xf823ffff irq 55 at device 3.1 on pci2 em1: [FILTER] em1: Ethernet address: 00:30:48:2c:76:f1 pcib3: at device 31.0 on pci1 pci3: on pcib3 asr0: mem 0xf8300000-0xf83fffff,0xfb000000-0xfbffffff,0xfc000000-0xfdffffff irq 30 at device 3.0 on pci3 asr0: [GIANT-LOCKED] asr0: [ITHREAD] asr0: ADAPTEC 2015S FW Rev. 3B0A, 2 channel, 2000 CCBs, Protocol I2O uhci0: port 0x2000-0x201f irq 16 at device 29.0 on pci0 uhci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] uhci0: [ITHREAD] usb0: on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: on usb0 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci1: port 0x2020-0x203f irq 19 at device 29.1 on pci0 uhci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] uhci1: [ITHREAD] usb1: on uhci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: on usb1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci2: port 0x2040-0x205f irq 18 at device 29.2 on pci0 uhci2: [GIANT-LOCKED] uhci2: [ITHREAD] usb2: on uhci2 usb2: USB revision 1.0 uhub2: on usb2 uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered pcib4: at device 30.0 on pci0 pci4: on pcib4 vgapci0: port 0x4000-0x40ff mem 0xf9000000-0xf9ffffff,0xf8400000-0xf8400fff irq 16 at device 1.0 on pci4 isab0: at device 31.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0x170-0x177,0x376,0x2060-0x206f at device 31.1 on pci0 ata0: on atapci0 ata0: [ITHREAD] ata1: on atapci0 ata1: [ITHREAD] pci0: at device 31.3 (no driver attached) cpu0 on motherboard p4tcc0: on cpu0 cpu1 on motherboard p4tcc1: on cpu1 cpu2 on motherboard p4tcc2: on cpu2 cpu3 on motherboard p4tcc3: on cpu3 pmtimer0 on isa0 orm0: at iomem 0xc0000-0xc7fff,0xc8000-0xc8fff,0xc9000-0xcefff,0xe0000-0xe3fff pnpid ORM0000 on isa0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] atkbd0: [ITHREAD] ppc0: parallel port not found. sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio1: port may not be enabled vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 unknown: can't assign resources (memory) unknown: can't assign resources (memory) unknown: can't assign resources (port) unknown: can't assign resources (memory) unknown: can't assign resources (memory) fdc1: No FDOUT register! Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec acd0: CDROM at ata1-master UDMA33 ses0 at asr0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 ses0: Fixed Processor SCSI-2 device da0 at asr0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da1 at asr0 bus 0 target 3 lun 0 da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device SMP: AP CPU #2 Launched! SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! SMP: AP CPU #3 Launched! Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/da0s1a ipfw2 (+ipv6) initialized, divert loadable, nat loadable, rule-based forwarding disabled, default to deny, logging disabled em1: link state changed to UP em0: link state changed to UP pid 7161 (conftest), uid 0: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) pid 22299 (conftest), uid 0: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) -- ------------------------- Paul Macdonald IFDNRG Ltd Web and video hosting ------------------------- t: 0131 5548070 m: 07534206249 e: paul@ifdnrg.com w: http://www.ifdnrg.com ------------------------- IFDNRG 40 Maritime Street Edinburgh EH6 6SA ------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 12:26:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 695D11065674 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:26:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B2888FC13 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:26:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywf9 with SMTP id 9so173572ywf.13 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 04:26:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.91.160.30 with SMTP id m30mr1739745ago.61.1298291218255; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 04:26:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-071-070-216-068.nc.res.rr.com [71.70.216.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w4sm145994anw.16.2011.02.21.04.26.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 21 Feb 2011 04:26:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8BEACE54828 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 07:26:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 07:26:54 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110221072654.6d6aec6c@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: openldap not starting X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:26:59 -0000 On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 23:16:11 -0500 Tim Dunphy articulated: > I am building an ldap server on freebsd 8.1. > > For some reason if I include the inetorgperson schema in my slapd.conf > slapd will not start > > here is the listing in slapd.conf > > > # See slapd.conf(5) for details on configuration options. > # This file should NOT be world readable. > # > include /usr/local/etc/openldap/schema/core.schema > include /usr/local/etc/openldap/schema/inetorgpreson.schema ^^^^^ Perhaps you mean: include /usr/local/etc/openldap/schema/core.schema include /usr/local/etc/openldap/schema/cosine.schema include /usr/local/etc/openldap/schema/inetorgperson.schema -- Jerry ✌ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 13:26:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5483E106567A for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 13:26:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hskuhra@fastmail.fm) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D118FC14 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 13:25:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.43]) by gateway1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 807BD20633 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 08:25:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from web1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.211]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 21 Feb 2011 08:25:59 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=messagingengine.com; h=message-id:from:to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:in-reply-to:references:subject:date; s=smtpout; bh=OjTCPGjlZMqjQqm7t5VgVk7pdzI=; b=hjZw5PY4fnvoiVC9eWbRxnmGkkhl76oRS426gsumlGx/P6dML7Y6rCId/2v0fhmIaBtQTgkjcIGDOO41oF4F/HK+xxwfxTas/css0ONLa2UwKe+bj9O+rHvVIGHon6dqo0S89raLZSTEmueouQnYS8bfKcMIyfXILY3ev2jfGmI= Received: by web1.messagingengine.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id 6006E9E13BB; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 08:25:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1298294759.4207.1422136713@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: UXrgPJURDOv1J9r2M9j6VeLu9zVPrYfVOm2TO6IZBxiU 1298294759 From: "Herbert J. Skuhra" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface In-Reply-To: <20110221012942.7774d06d@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <20110221012942.7774d06d@gumby.homeunix.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 14:25:59 +0100 Subject: Re: Flac and/or shell problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 13:26:00 -0000 On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 01:29 +0000, "RW" wrote: > > I found a recipe for converting flac to mp3: > > flac -cd in.flac | lame -h - out.mp3 > > and I thought I might be able to able to combine multiple flac files > into a single mp3 file with something like the following: > > ( flac -cd file1.flac ; flac -cd file2.flac ) | lame -h - both.mp3 > > but in practice only the first flac command is executed (see below) The following command does what you want: % flac123 --wav=- -q *.flac | lame -h - out.mp3 HTH Herbert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 15:16:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A3D1065679 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:16:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E7278FC0C for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:16:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p1LFAK4J032347; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:10:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id p1LFAKhY032346; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:10:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:10:20 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Xn Nooby Message-ID: <20110221151020.GA32318@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can FreeBSD be made to be as polished a desktop as Linux Mint? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:16:57 -0000 On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 08:15:30PM -0500, Xn Nooby wrote: > I was wondering if there were any technical reasons why a FreeBSD > desktop could not be hand-tweaked to be as nice as a Linux Mint 10 > desktop. I only rarely use Linux Mint 10, but it's desktop and > webrowsing seem to be about perfect (albeit green). The Gnome UI is > very smooth to interact with, and website fonts in Firefox look better > than on Windows. When I install gnome2 and firefox via pkg_add, > everything works, but it is not as glassy smooth as LM10. I think the > PC-BSD people are working on a Gnome-version, so I could wait and see > what they put together. I was just curious if there was any technical > reason why this could be done. I assume if they both use xorg, then it > is possible. Pretty much anything can be ported and run on FreeBSD if someone with suffieient interest puts enough time and effort in to it. So, if you have sufficient interest, start now and soon it will come to pass. ////jerry > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 15:45:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8EC7106564A for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:45:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5818FC15 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:45:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p1LFd8dD032484; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:39:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id p1LFd8la032483; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:39:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:39:08 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: andreas.junius@googlemail.com Message-ID: <20110221153908.GC32318@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <4D6226DC.6020604@googlemail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D6226DC.6020604@googlemail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to install Tomcat 7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:45:45 -0000 On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 07:18:28PM +1030, Andreas Junius wrote: > Hi All, > > This is my first post to this list, so I hope I get it right. I'm new to > both Unix and freeBSD and I've been doing my first steps for three days > now. I was able to install Java and Tomcat 6, because these products are > part of the ports directory. However I'd prefer Tomcat 7, so I got the > tomcat7.tar.gz and extracted the files to /usr/ports/www/tomcat7. I am not sure I understand all of what you say and I have never installed Tomcat separately. But,,, If I install something from source that is not in ports, I generally put the ...tar.gz file of its source in /usr/local/src and then un-gz/untar it (tar xzvf...) there. Normally, a well made open source product will make a directory for the product and put everything in there. Just cd to that and start building. That usually starts with running configure from within that directory, ge. NOTE here: Do not confuse this pre-build configure that sets up compiler and loader and system options with the post-build configure mentioned below that sets up running options for the utility. # ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/product_name \ / more_configure_options_if_necessary # make # make install Then do what it takes to configure it to run - there may be a config file typically in /usr/local/product_name/conf/... In FreeBSD some of the configuration items can be set in /etc/rc.conf If it is to run as a daemon, set up its startup in the rc.d Nowdays, most reasonable open source products that are set up with a good layout, conprehensive prebuild configure and well built make files to be installed on a UNIX or Lunix system follow this basic pattern with a few small variations. ////jerry > > The I tried the following and got the message: > > # pwd > /usr/ports/www/tomcat7 > # make install clean > ===> Vulnerability check disabled, database not found > ===> License accepted by the user > => apache-tomcat-7.0.6.tar.gz is not in /usr/ports/www/tomcat7/distinfo. > => Either /usr/ports/www/tomcat7/distinfo is out of date, or > => apache-tomcat-7.0.6.tar.gz is spelled incorrectly. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/www/tomcat7. > > > To be honest, I don't understand that message. That file > apache-tomcat-7.0.6.tar.gz can't be in /usr/ports/www/tomcat7/distinfo, > because distinfo is a file and not a directory. What went wrong? I got > the missing file, however where is it supposed to be? > > Thanks for help, > > AndyJ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 16:56:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB5C10656C4 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 16:56:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remegius@comcast.net) Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39148FC08 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 16:56:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Agi31g0061zF43QA1gwuGq; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 16:56:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([67.180.204.190]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Agwp1g01T46zqiB8kgwtzh; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 16:56:53 +0000 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 08:56:49 -0800 From: Rem P Roberti To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110221165649.GA12603@bsd.remdog.net> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Cups upgrade failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 16:56:54 -0000 Can someone give me a heads up on why this portupgrade failed. Here is the error message I received: tor -o rastertoescpx rastertoescpx.o -L. -lcupsdriver \ -lcupsimage -lcups -pthread -lm -lcrypt cc: Internal error: Segmentation fault: 11 (program ld) Please submit a full bug report. See for instructions. gmake[1]: *** [rastertoescpx] Error 1 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/tmp/usr/ports/print/cups-base/work/cups-1.4.6/ river' gmake: *** [all] Error 1 *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/print/cups-base. ** Command failed [exit code 1]: /usr/bin/script -qa /tmp/portupgrade20110221-61 1-11s32sw-0 env UPGRADE_TOOL=portupgrade UPGRADE_PORT=cups-base-1.4.6_1 UPGRADE_ ORT_VER=1.4.6_1 make ** Fix the problem and try again. ** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed) ! print/cups-base (cups-base-1.4.6_1) (segmentation fault) Thanks... Rem From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 18:11:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5536106564A for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 18:11:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout024.mac.com (asmtpout024.mac.com [17.148.16.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE9A8FC0A for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 18:11:13 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp024.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-18.01 64bit (built Jul 15 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LGZ00MEFBUPM580@asmtp024.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:11:13 -0800 (PST) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-02-21_05:2011-02-21, 2011-02-21, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1102210082 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <20110221165649.GA12603@bsd.remdog.net> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:11:13 -0800 Message-id: References: <20110221165649.GA12603@bsd.remdog.net> To: Rem P Roberti X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Cups upgrade failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 18:11:14 -0000 On Feb 21, 2011, at 8:56 AM, Rem P Roberti wrote: > Can someone give me a heads up on why this portupgrade failed. Here is > the error message I received: > > tor -o rastertoescpx rastertoescpx.o -L. -lcupsdriver \ > -lcupsimage -lcups -pthread -lm -lcrypt > cc: Internal error: Segmentation fault: 11 (program ld) ld crashed. If it is not reproducible, you likely have a hardware issue like overheating. If it is reproducible, include the full command (you've truncated too much output) and retry running ld under gdb to see why it is crashing. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 22:07:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C3B1065695 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 22:07:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remegius@comcast.net) Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96BC98FC28 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 22:07:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.87]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Aloh1g0051smiN4ACm7WEJ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 22:07:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([67.180.204.190]) by omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Am7T1g00d46zqiB8gm7UlM; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 22:07:29 +0000 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 14:07:27 -0800 From: Rem P Roberti To: Chuck Swiger Message-ID: <20110221220727.GB24959@bsd.remdog.net> Mail-Followup-To: Chuck Swiger , FreeBSD References: <20110221165649.GA12603@bsd.remdog.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Cups upgrade failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 22:07:30 -0000 > > Can someone give me a heads up on why this portupgrade failed. Here is > > the error message I received: > > > > tor -o rastertoescpx rastertoescpx.o -L. -lcupsdriver \ > > -lcupsimage -lcups -pthread -lm -lcrypt > > cc: Internal error: Segmentation fault: 11 (program ld) > > ld crashed. If it is not reproducible, you likely have a hardware issue like overheating. > > If it is reproducible, include the full command (you've truncated too much output) and retry running ld under gdb to see why it is crashing. > Smooth sailing the second time I tried the portupgrade. Could very well be a hardware issue. Rem From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 01:32:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0A8C1065670 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 01:32:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E4358FC12 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 01:32:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B1F30E8066C; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 17:32:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 17:32:46 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20110222013244.GA12065@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: Subject: are there any GUI editors that use vi/vim-like abbreviations X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 01:32:51 -0000 iF we throw out "gvim" since it is simply the GUI variant of vim, are there are other GUI editors that use the kinds of :ab abbreviations that vi does? I ask this because I don't know wmany many people with speech imopairments or who cannot speak at all would be interested in using my version of vi/vim with it's .ex/.nex/.vimrc and my hundred+ abbreviations. The IM app, pidgin is not an editor, but it does let user use the mouse and/or arrow keys. pidgin also uses abbrvs. BEcause i type so slowly, i have my pidgin set up to use a slew of abbrev. [Well, not the obv's, like 'FWIW' :-) ... but other words. I would be interested in knowing how many list members _don't_ know vi and use another editor. just curious.... gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 01:38:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C85A106564A for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 01:38:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sfourman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E87E98FC15 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 01:38:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwj8 with SMTP id 8so501519qwj.13 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 17:38:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=NYVCCcTmYRQMHt0jKci70jVf71p/x/2LBHq58JaszQY=; b=j8hT88yvMel5NZopDL1y5Kp0+N5wDJRSRBTqVM7YBMaMKsKCi9tRCNGeLH65/YPcbK M1X+rWLs7+2sdu6ZZLwhX80HLSgSNOiMbQ5bBIQrrpVk+75LwQQmKQH5Kjtje+ciXYOk V/SQgfSVExHg4CPOWpwPfzWaPt7Bbjl4LjqFM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=J6O1kdVbjUArLMxAKok356f2HdGSo3Kppe+LMrGzDerxhO+CnAhDxXJOL5bT8xiaQU h8OuNj8DNOH4ofkGb/fVbDm4IFNGDMSFU6DJYJtw5XKvRAWlQpO35LXRJLKq3Vhdk0gM VErMVx9e9P1EMFo0Z453Ay5RnGRM547jl/lVM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.214.10 with SMTP id gy10mr1537532qcb.130.1298337249242; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 17:14:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.251.193 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 17:14:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 19:14:09 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Sam Fourman Jr." To: freebsd general questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: snd_hda 7.1 surround sound X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 01:38:42 -0000 Hello list, I need help configuring snd_hda to produce 7.1 surround sound via the spdif optical output My goal is to play a DVD and have 7.1 surround sound passed through to my stereo (via the optical output on the motherboard) in a perfect world the optical output would be the default, as I have no other need to audio output on this system I am hoping someone has a recipe for this. below is some basic info: uname -a FreeBSD HTPC.PuffyBSD.Com 9.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT #0 r216047: Mon Nov 29 09:40:47 UTC 2010 root@Sam.PuffyBSD.Com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 HTPC# HTPC# cat /dev/sndstat FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm: 64bit 2009061500/amd64) Installed devices: pcm0: (play/rec) default pcm1: (play/rec) pcm2: (play/rec) pcm3: (play) pcm4: (play) sysctl dev.hdac.0.pindump=1 hdac0: Dumping AFG cad=0 nid=1 pins: hdac0: nid 20 0x01014410 as 1 seq 0 Line-out Jack jack 1 loc 1 color Green misc 4 hdac0: Caps: IN OUT HP VREF Sense: 0x00000000 hdac0: nid 21 0x01011412 as 1 seq 2 Line-out Jack jack 1 loc 1 color Black misc 4 hdac0: Caps: IN OUT HP VREF Sense: 0x00000000 hdac0: nid 22 0x01016411 as 1 seq 1 Line-out Jack jack 1 loc 1 color Orange misc 4 hdac0: Caps: IN OUT HP Sense: 0x00000000 hdac0: nid 23 0x01012414 as 1 seq 4 Line-out Jack jack 1 loc 1 color Grey misc 4 hdac0: Caps: IN OUT HP Sense: 0x00000000 hdac0: nid 24 0x01a19c40 as 4 seq 0 Mic Jack jack 1 loc 1 color Pink misc 12 hdac0: Caps: IN OUT HP VREF Sense: 0x00000000 hdac0: nid 25 0x02a19c50 as 5 seq 0 Mic Jack jack 1 loc 2 color Pink misc 12 hdac0: Caps: IN OUT HP VREF Sense: 0x00000000 hdac0: nid 26 0x0181344f as 4 seq 15 Line-in Jack jack 1 loc 1 color Blue misc 4 hdac0: Caps: IN OUT HP VREF Sense: 0x00000000 hdac0: nid 27 0x02214c20 as 2 seq 0 Headphones Jack jack 1 loc 2 color Green misc 12 hdac0: Caps: IN OUT HP VREF Sense: 0x00000000 hdac0: nid 28 0x593301f0 as 15 seq 0 CD None jack 3 loc 25 color Unknown misc 1 [DISABLED] hdac0: Caps: IN hdac0: nid 30 0x014b6130 as 3 seq 0 SPDIF-out Jack jack 11 loc 1 color Orange misc 1 hdac0: Caps: OUT hdac0: nid 31 0x01cb7160 as 6 seq 0 SPDIF-in Jack jack 11 loc 1 color Yellow misc 1 hdac0: Caps: IN hdac0: NumGPIO=2 NumGPO=0 NumGPI=0 GPIWake=0 GPIUnsol=1 hdac0: GPIO: data=0x00000000 enable=0x00000000 direction=0x00000000 hdac0: wake=0x00000000 unsol=0x00000000 sticky=0x00000000 hdac0: Dumping AFG cad=3 nid=1 pins: hdac0: nid 5 0x185601f0 as 15 seq 0 Digital-out Jack jack 6 loc 24 color Unknown misc 1 hdac0: Caps: OUT Sense: 0x00000000 hdac0: NumGPIO=0 NumGPO=0 NumGPI=0 GPIWake=0 GPIUnsol=0 HTPC# -- Sam Fourman Jr. Fourman Networks http://www.fourmannetworks.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 01:48:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94641106566B for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 01:48:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jktrigg@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9E68FC08 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 01:48:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb32 with SMTP id 32so2451380wyb.13 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 17:48:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=u+Hrk4FoVR6oDbcql7DnF2Cm4v83ZA1kWNBgNQy33XQ=; b=NKrmE9iwS0a4b0PJcpcGBgCSbpGabI/QN9p8Mbjpv3tpgbO+rkI8AH9LfPFiBJ0tRc qHrWCgKSaAU5R2S7+/ZLL5c/RgcCAXJliXImq9AUtj3KWUFUk0lw9RXe9B4GS/JCqB9B /sz/D+EepldqhgV0qAJeplUdRHg0ifLu6294w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=hIaQQ6gq9xdHWT+2KSF3PJeKMhtVIjv0FF2dhn2+am+FMfUsrefeHSu66qDki8Vivm MZ3UY4WWdQ6zqV1ZgVW80ZIFiGg3FtyMMPwDQ+IE0fc0pTwffWt/Bjx3u0LoqnYIn0AZ q9WcNk3HvfA7vTFfn1Czf2se1ZmP4qPJbJ0CU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.0.140 with SMTP id 12mr1810675web.29.1298338620072; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 17:37:00 -0800 (PST) Sender: jktrigg@gmail.com Received: by 10.216.93.85 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 17:37:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 20:37:00 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: BtEuQ1dkLR7Q8A719NUxfDk0Z-o Message-ID: From: Jim Trigg To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Installation problem on AMD64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 01:48:10 -0000 I do an installation from DVD on AMD64, and when I reboot it hangs before displaying anything from the standard boot loader. How can I debug this? Thanks, Jim Trigg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 01:53:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A04231065675 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 01:53:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fred@blakemfg.com) Received: from mail.getnet.net (mail.getnet.net [216.19.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5CB608FC17 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 01:53:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 11960 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2011 01:53:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 Feb 2011 01:53:22 -0000 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at getnet.net Received: from mail.getnet.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.getnet.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tMLOB9YJitRy for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 18:53:21 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 11954 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2011 01:53:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ragnok.blakemfg.com) (fredb@216.19.219.132) by mail.getnet.net with ESMTPA; 22 Feb 2011 01:53:21 -0000 Message-ID: <4D63161E.9020405@blakemfg.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 18:49:18 -0700 From: Fred User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20110131 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110222013244.GA12065@thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20110222013244.GA12065@thought.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: are there any GUI editors that use vi/vim-like abbreviations X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 01:53:23 -0000 On 02/21/11 18:32, Gary Kline wrote: > iF we throw out "gvim" since it is simply the GUI variant of > vim, are there are other GUI editors that use the kinds of :ab > abbreviations that vi does? I ask this because I don't know > wmany many people with speech imopairments or who cannot speak > at all would be interested in using my version of vi/vim with > it's .ex/.nex/.vimrc and my hundred+ abbreviations. > > The IM app, pidgin is not an editor, but it does let user use > the mouse and/or arrow keys. pidgin also uses abbrvs. BEcause > i type so slowly, i have my pidgin set up to use a slew of > abbrev. [Well, not the obv's, like 'FWIW' :-) ... but other > words. > > I would be interested in knowing how many list members _don't_ > know vi and use another editor. just curious.... > > gary > > > > I have been using nedit for many years. It is very easy to use. It uses the mouse, arrow keys, etc. so you don't have to do multiple keystrokes. Vi is insane. I don't know what you mean about the abbreviations though. I don't think it does that. The current version in ports for 8.1-RELEASE has a problem requiring a simple patch when it is built. This was discussed here a couple weeks ago. Best regards, Fred From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 02:21:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 574F0106566C for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 02:21:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A508FC17 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 02:21:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm19 with SMTP id 19so3214667fxm.13 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 18:21:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=xDEzU3tIhIgIHOwP+qkgdZZ7rTBaz4oalpEv87dmRnc=; b=SxX1Iji1WZJHZ8g/6xBFt2hioh/hNdIuZIs6Po+yo1FXHyJdg7jL5WRhF+8f4MPwue xH3hPFoxJyr964sEvuDntfoEIGhli1fe/AX4VWFSKD72nFHvpOiFyUOE8qQ/R3ogDdvr myx9oYJqSO9X6t78TuuuZomuCwLypdIV8Wfu4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=G8hFisTBKGaE53nBSg9klVVSKu3PArU72mJzHmTEG/1kWF+QgrmiHTPkEq96LnN2Ad cGNlRZqHmYr2N5O6H5AoQs4U6ve0v/zRrKrH8QWapjgGZ78ApdCraFgiCEoyUYr2X83q piLOLiPe/Dnct/AmN9L3jTKnAeoehJ5FChjqg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.96.66 with SMTP id g2mr2680553fan.61.1298341280730; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 18:21:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.94.67 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 18:21:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110222013244.GA12065@thought.org> References: <20110222013244.GA12065@thought.org> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 20:21:20 -0600 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Gary Kline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: are there any GUI editors that use vi/vim-like abbreviations X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 02:21:22 -0000 On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > iF we throw out "gvim" since it is simply the GUI variant of > vim, are there are other GUI editors that use the kinds of :ab > abbreviations that vi does? > kate, the bundled text editor for KDE can use vi bindings. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 02:22:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E9F106564A for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 02:22:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E51C8FC13 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 02:22:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm19 with SMTP id 19so3215753fxm.13 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 18:22:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=/mEEmE3DGQm2+wqLcu02x4jga6/YJdFhZjLA9kxmpH4=; b=shhw0aK/BRW4DVvSv9sTWSV9RJTiLaVvvMnSLI7IW2sZ1B/K/6ufSjbKCGgN/CqFgs BqHORJSfJkAPZfco8QxzOQ81QuYQnc4eS7Vjj4PXIGiYx9uM/Akb0To5ALVy2nhGqV4y DKRgbPiv3Hq9N8Deix2dqGnRMk218Js1SG+Ls= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=LCUKzv3ZtM7BrW1r//nJOH2hGNsSdZ4OSnfn6jUdNCTpXVRWmYAUg/fYGRPKEgz+zU 02QfZUh+r7mNqy5GCfcrrJ2gvDrOOFn7CNpt2r0B7RfmSgjARZsdX9vkmjYgzss46Ru5 9uaiu+1j42AGoAmrispHN3Rg+xVCduSLxIt6g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.86.193 with SMTP id t1mr2660588fal.147.1298341364655; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 18:22:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.103.4 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 18:22:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4D63161E.9020405@blakemfg.com> References: <20110222013244.GA12065@thought.org> <4D63161E.9020405@blakemfg.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 21:22:44 -0500 Message-ID: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: Fred Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: are there any GUI editors that use vi/vim-like abbreviations X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 02:22:46 -0000 On 21 February 2011 20:49, Fred wrote: > On 02/21/11 18:32, Gary Kline wrote: >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0iF we throw out "gvim" since it is simply the GUI variant= of >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0vim, are there are other GUI editors that use the kinds o= f :ab >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0abbreviations that vi does? =A0I ask this because I don't= know >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wmany many people with speech imopairments or who cannot = speak >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0at all would be interested in using my version of vi/vim = with >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0it's .ex/.nex/.vimrc and my hundred+ abbreviations. >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0The IM app, pidgin is not an editor, but it does let user= use >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0the mouse and/or arrow keys. =A0pidgin also uses abbrvs. = =A0BEcause >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0i type so slowly, i have my pidgin set up to use a slew o= f >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0abbrev. =A0[Well, not the obv's, like 'FWIW' :-) ... but = other >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0words. >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I would be interested in knowing how many list members _d= on't_ >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0know vi and use another editor. =A0just curious.... >> As little as I like linking to the "en"cyclopaedia that even a paranoid hydrocephalic with (Gilles de la) Tourette syndrome can edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_text_editors#Key_bindings > =A0Vi > is insane. Indeed. http://www.rants.org/ed.html --=20 -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 04:25:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25CD01065670 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 04:25:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED1988FC1D for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 04:25:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 81D0DE8066C; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 20:25:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 20:25:52 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Fred Message-ID: <20110222042552.GA16078@thought.org> References: <20110222013244.GA12065@thought.org> <4D63161E.9020405@blakemfg.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D63161E.9020405@blakemfg.com> X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: are there any GUI editors that use vi/vim-like abbreviations X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 04:25:54 -0000 On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 06:49:18PM -0700, Fred wrote: > On 02/21/11 18:32, Gary Kline wrote: > > iF we throw out "gvim" since it is simply the GUI variant of > > vim, are there are other GUI editors that use the kinds of :ab > > abbreviations that vi does? I ask this because I don't know > > wmany many people with speech imopairments or who cannot speak > > at all would be interested in using my version of vi/vim with > > it's .ex/.nex/.vimrc and my hundred+ abbreviations. > > > > The IM app, pidgin is not an editor, but it does let user use > > the mouse and/or arrow keys. pidgin also uses abbrvs. BEcause > > i type so slowly, i have my pidgin set up to use a slew of > > abbrev. [Well, not the obv's, like 'FWIW' :-) ... but other > > words. > > > > I would be interested in knowing how many list members _don't_ > > know vi and use another editor. just curious.... > > > > gary > > > > > > > > > I have been using nedit for many years. It is very easy to use. It > uses the mouse, arrow keys, etc. so you don't have to do multiple > keystrokes. Vi is insane. I don't know what you mean about the > abbreviations though. I don't think it does that. The current > version in ports for 8.1-RELEASE has a problem requiring a simple > patch when it is built. This was discussed here a couple weeks ago. > > Best regards, > Fred Very simply, in your .vimrc, if you type :ab i I or :ab thr there anytime you type "i" it goes to "I". The "thr" abbreviation becomes the word "there." gary > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 04:33:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B33A106566B for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 04:33:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3024F8FC15 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 04:33:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 911FFE8089C; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 20:33:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 20:33:17 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Adam Vande More Message-ID: <20110222043317.GB16078@thought.org> References: <20110222013244.GA12065@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: are there any GUI editors that use vi/vim-like abbreviations X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 04:33:18 -0000 On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 08:21:20PM -0600, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > > > iF we throw out "gvim" since it is simply the GUI variant of > > vim, are there are other GUI editors that use the kinds of :ab > > abbreviations that vi does? > > > > kate, the bundled text editor for KDE can use vi bindings. > > -- > Adam Vande More Interesting. I have use kate by accident a few times. But my fingers did /pattern anf [hjkl] just by habit. So I quit out of it and went back to [n]vi :-) thanks! -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 05:51:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A338D106566B; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 05:51:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhelfman@experts-exchange.com) Received: from mail.experts-exchange.com (mail.experts-exchange.com [72.29.183.251]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81C868FC17; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 05:51:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.experts-exchange.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.experts-exchange.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC0A6F2DDD; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 21:51:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=e-e.com; h= user-agent:content-disposition:content-type:content-type :mime-version:message-id:subject:subject:from:from:date:date :received:received:received; s=ee; t=1298353906; x=1300168306; bh=mmWt2gcy6Twf8dUB57NOyRtumR3WCxroByyDl9tmEGo=; b=Q5kgJeY5da1p waNwKVprBss+w5tHSHRI6i16oKL5xnUaQulQoAxGFDSukhzxZ+n8Y7WRkpvHATvU boCv8lse/Zd4YGRAlK4qslTX6GqrQ3ug+AarDgR7n0cQpF5G7umtT9DbVL0xYBs1 z8Mom0ayiQuRzEIq/mn6Ur16GPAcjIc= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at experts-exchange.com Received: from mail.experts-exchange.com ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.experts-exchange.com (mail.experts-exchange.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HTNsA3sTvvsI; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 21:51:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from experts-exchange.com (unknown [192.168.103.122]) by mail.experts-exchange.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E57BF6F2DD4; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 21:51:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (nullmailer pid 28972 invoked by uid 1001); Tue, 22 Feb 2011 05:48:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 21:48:27 -0800 From: Jason Helfman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110222054827.GA28941@eggman.experts-exchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE X-Living-The-Dream: I love the SLO Life! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: BSD Magazine inquiry, question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 05:51:47 -0000 Hi, I was wondering if anyone has a hardcopy of BSD Magazine listed here: http://bsdmag.org/magazine/1021-bsd-as-a-desktop I wrote an article for the magazine, and would very much like to get a hardcopy of it. I am willing to purchase it. Thanks so much! Jason Helfman -- Jason Helfman System Administrator experts-exchange.com http://www.experts-exchange.com/M_4830110.html E4AD 7CF1 1396 27F6 79DD 4342 5E92 AD66 8C8C FBA5 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 10:39:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AB28106564A for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 10:39:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andreas.junius@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pw0-f54.google.com (mail-pw0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47FC88FC08 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 10:39:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pwj8 with SMTP id 8so686918pwj.13 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 02:39:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:reply-to:organization :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gRR17va9xyUT1Ae29AyfXadcozEpV9AWmVzIT1WlB98=; b=UO8rdnyKFZMmxGjTwMgAWRbBnts2OzOqAJEv2pIW1rTVey5pMesSAFyG98auGxNh37 mlRofCCK0S9BtoGxw1Xag5Sye+BWlonXvGzA4/AY3QjzhXyAkXmvsfhxFTu2k4yLzq5I chMZQONcsjBRuziL/N4sORokCiOeR0phs+Ruc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:organization:user-agent:mime-version :to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=Bf1fubdZ8xuMvs1h5vNV+f5LEj8MWLFJdBj+E2JDS10VYv064jjaYSiK7AWlDNPJkR Jv6aSVu6ObgsNE/HhjqhLyofiuC2bzQgnjE4aFRx9JueS0Vdk4GbsWUHU3EmvJ6CVRSS AvXZ8uyuU+NSYECrIGwjaOY524fYNpj6OQvCM= Received: by 10.142.207.4 with SMTP id e4mr2073866wfg.82.1298371153514; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 02:39:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (ppp203-122-217-229.static.internode.on.net [203.122.217.229]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o11sm9057100wfa.0.2011.02.22.02.39.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 22 Feb 2011 02:39:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D63924A.5060202@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 21:09:06 +1030 From: Andreas Junius Organization: javanerd.com.au User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D6226DC.6020604@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: How to install Tomcat 7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: andreas.junius@googlemail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 10:39:14 -0000 Thanks to you all for your help! That hint below worked fine. Cheers, Andy On 21/02/2011 9:06 PM, Michael Powell wrote: > Repair the damage you've done to /usr/ports/www/tomcat7. You can just rm -rf > the entire directory and a ports tree refresh will fix it for you. Then > change into /usr/ports/www/tomcat6 and do make deinstall. This removes > Tomcat 6. Then cd to /usr/ports/www/tomcat7 and do make install clean. You > do not need to be concerned with downloading the tarball, the port will > fetch it for you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 15:21:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D5D106566B for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:21:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul+fbsd@it.ca) Received: from mail.it.ca (mail.it.ca [216.235.7.67]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF258FC1C for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:21:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.it.ca (paul@mail [216.235.7.67]) by mail.it.ca (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id p1MEuhkH072562; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 09:56:44 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from paul+fbsd@it.ca) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=a; d=it.ca; c=nofws; q=dns; h=received:x-authentication-warning:date:from:to:cc:subject: message-id:reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type: content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=dddGbAVs7YIYTw5kMf58YKp9FMjDg0RCwaT13SyTmphSX8jwj5YJTcE/cZOgiL36k yqW7yKi8qXoR2B2nCDhZVRIq7yga1imvwAixUEid5Hg70IrGYPPwGHlG5nhyhWJ Received: (from paul@localhost) by mail.it.ca (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id p1MEuhEQ072561; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 09:56:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from paul+fbsd@it.ca) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.it.ca: paul set sender to paul+fbsd@it.ca using -f Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 09:56:43 -0500 From: Paul Chvostek To: Andy Wodfer Message-ID: <20110222145643.GA81045@it.ca> References: <1837CB358903EB8C60F348FA@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <20110219221442.39aacc81@gumby.homeunix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mail.it.ca [216.235.7.67]); Tue, 22 Feb 2011 09:56:44 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to forward old root mails to an external email address? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:21:45 -0000 On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 11:39:38PM +0100, Andy Wodfer wrote: > On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 11:14 PM, RW wrote: > > On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 22:39:59 +0100 > > Andy Wodfer wrote: > > > > > I already tried something similare, but I keep getting command not > > > found for formail. I was hoping there was a way of doing this without > > > installing additional software - just use what comes with a default > > > FreeBSD installation. > > > > formail is installed as part of the procmail package. Check for typos > > and that PATH is set correctly. > > > > Cool. Procmail is now installed, but the procmail.rc file, should that be > placed under root's home folder ie /root/procmail.rc or another user? I > assume root since Daniel's command doesn't specify any users? If you're not planning to use procmail to deliver your mail, you don't need to worry about a procmailrc file. The reason to install procmail was to get "formail", which does not use the procmailrc file. > That would mean I'm logged in as root, run the command, formail sends all > mails to procmail which sees the alias in procmail rc and sends the mails > out? Correct? You could do it that way, but it requires more setup. This is easier: # formail -s sendmail you@example.com < /var/mail/root p -- Paul Chvostek From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 16:40:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A54AC106564A for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:40:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailing@alokat.org) Received: from smtp.alokat.org (smtp.alokat.org [46.4.186.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6873F8FC0A for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:40:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.alokat.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.alokat.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903A111250068 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:40:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.24.24] (188-192-38-254-dynip.superkabel.de [188.192.38.254]) by smtp.alokat.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 341C611250066 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:40:30 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D63E6F2.3050008@alokat.org> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:40:18 +0100 From: Alokat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110221 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: bash can not find most of my commands X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:40:33 -0000 Hi, I have changed my shell from csh to bash ... But after that I have to call "reboot" like /sbin/reboot. How can I change that without changing the shell. :) my /root/.profile: PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin export PATH HOME=/root export HOME TERM=${TERM:-cons25} export TERM PAGER=more export PAGER Regards, Alokat From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 16:44:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C9DA1065672 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:44:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listreader@lazlarlyricon.com) Received: from mailgw14.surf-town.net (mail8.surf-town.net [212.97.132.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E388FC1D for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:44:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mailgw14.surf-town.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id A33FD3DEA7; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:44:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw14.surf-town.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5BD3DE67; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:44:28 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mailgw14.surf-town.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.44 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.44 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.44] Received: from mailgw14.surf-town.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailgw14.surf-town.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id oN-vg3ikvjTW; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:44:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from lazlar.kicks-ass.net (c-0987e355.09-42-6e6b7010.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se [85.227.135.9]) by mailgw14.surf-town.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5227D3DFAE; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:44:22 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D63E7E5.5000401@lazlarlyricon.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:44:21 +0100 From: Rolf Nielsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; sv-SE; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110117 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alokat References: <4D63E6F2.3050008@alokat.org> In-Reply-To: <4D63E6F2.3050008@alokat.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bash can not find most of my commands X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:44:33 -0000 2011-02-22 17:40, Alokat skrev: > Hi, > > I have changed my shell from csh to bash ... Why? Do you use root as your regular login? > But after that I have to call "reboot" like /sbin/reboot. > > How can I change that without changing the shell. :) > > my /root/.profile: > > PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin > > export PATH > HOME=/root > export HOME > TERM=${TERM:-cons25} > export TERM > PAGER=more > export PAGER > > Regards, > Alokat > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 16:47:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB7B106564A for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:47:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailing@alokat.org) Received: from smtp.alokat.org (smtp.alokat.org [46.4.186.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A96B38FC08 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:47:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.alokat.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.alokat.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E9411250068 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:47:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.24.24] (188-192-38-254-dynip.superkabel.de [188.192.38.254]) by smtp.alokat.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B6BB611250066 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:47:23 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D63E893.2070502@alokat.org> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:47:15 +0100 From: Alokat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110221 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D63E6F2.3050008@alokat.org> <4D63E7E5.5000401@lazlarlyricon.com> In-Reply-To: <4D63E7E5.5000401@lazlarlyricon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: Re: bash can not find most of my commands X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:47:25 -0000 On 02/22/11 17:44, Rolf Nielsen wrote: > 2011-02-22 17:40, Alokat skrev: >> Hi, >> >> I have changed my shell from csh to bash ... > > Why? > Do you use root as your regular login? > >> But after that I have to call "reboot" like /sbin/reboot. >> >> How can I change that without changing the shell. :) >> >> my /root/.profile: >> >> PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin >> >> >> export PATH >> HOME=/root >> export HOME >> TERM=${TERM:-cons25} >> export TERM >> PAGER=more >> export PAGER >> >> Regards, >> Alokat >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" It's just for example ... :) I have a non root login for regular stuff. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 16:49:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D91106566C for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:49:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Received: from ifdnrg29.ifdnrg.com (outbound.ifdnrg.com [193.200.98.138]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC7C38FC0A for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:49:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.85] (93-97-172-73.zone5.bethere.co.uk [93.97.172.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by ifdnrg29.ifdnrg.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1MGnqpK095885; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:49:54 GMT (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Message-ID: <4D63E92C.4060304@ifdnrg.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:49:48 +0000 From: Paul Macdonald User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alokat , FreeBSD Mailing List References: <4D63E6F2.3050008@alokat.org> In-Reply-To: <4D63E6F2.3050008@alokat.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: bash can not find most of my commands X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:49:57 -0000 On 22/02/2011 16:40, Alokat wrote: > Hi, > > I have changed my shell from csh to bash ... > But after that I have to call "reboot" like /sbin/reboot. > > How can I change that without changing the shell. :) > don't change your root shell! csh is in the base system so is safe and will always* work, bash is a port and gets updated regularly, there's been at least one occasion when my bash upgrade failed and i couln't login as root. very frustrating.. I just get used to changing to bash after that, much safer! Paul. -- ------------------------- Paul Macdonald IFDNRG Ltd Web and video hosting ------------------------- t: 0131 5548070 m: 07534206249 e: paul@ifdnrg.com w: http://www.ifdnrg.com ------------------------- IFDNRG 40 Maritime Street Edinburgh EH6 6SA ------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 16:54:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7ADC106566C for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:54:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rnmtw@lazlarlyricon.com) Received: from mailgw6.surf-town.net (mail11.surf-town.net [212.97.132.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 917858FC08 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:54:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mailgw6.surf-town.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 4246D5F9F7; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:54:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw6.surf-town.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14D4B5FA58; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:54:26 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mailgw6.surf-town.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.44 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.44 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.44] Received: from mailgw6.surf-town.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailgw6.surf-town.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 7LOHC3wk4RI4; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:54:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from lazlar.kicks-ass.net (c-0987e355.09-42-6e6b7010.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se [85.227.135.9]) by mailgw6.surf-town.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 472CD5FA25; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:54:15 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D63EA36.2080509@lazlarlyricon.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:54:14 +0100 From: Rolf G Nielsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; sv-SE; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110117 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alokat References: <4D63E6F2.3050008@alokat.org> <4D63E7E5.5000401@lazlarlyricon.com> <4D63E893.2070502@alokat.org> In-Reply-To: <4D63E893.2070502@alokat.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bash can not find most of my commands X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:54:35 -0000 2011-02-22 17:47, Alokat skrev: > On 02/22/11 17:44, Rolf Nielsen wrote: >> 2011-02-22 17:40, Alokat skrev: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have changed my shell from csh to bash ... >> >> Why? >> Do you use root as your regular login? >> >>> But after that I have to call "reboot" like /sbin/reboot. >>> >>> How can I change that without changing the shell. :) >>> >>> my /root/.profile: >>> >>> PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin >>> >>> >>> export PATH >>> HOME=/root >>> export HOME >>> TERM=${TERM:-cons25} >>> export TERM >>> PAGER=more >>> export PAGER >>> >>> Regards, >>> Alokat >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > It's just for example ... :) > I have a non root login for regular stuff. To me the .profile looks ok, and I can't really say why it doesn't work. However, do not use a shell that's not in the base system for root. Some would point security issues, but I don't know much about those when it comes to bash, however, if you need to boot into single user, you may get into troubles with a shell not in base. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 16:58:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92139106566B for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:58:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailing@alokat.org) Received: from smtp.alokat.org (smtp.alokat.org [46.4.186.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5356A8FC15 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:58:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.alokat.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.alokat.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9422D11250068 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:58:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.24.24] (188-192-38-254-dynip.superkabel.de [188.192.38.254]) by smtp.alokat.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 789C311250066 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:58:30 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D63EB2E.3080200@alokat.org> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:58:22 +0100 From: Alokat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110221 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D63E6F2.3050008@alokat.org> <4D63E92C.4060304@ifdnrg.com> In-Reply-To: <4D63E92C.4060304@ifdnrg.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: Re: bash can not find most of my commands X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:58:31 -0000 On 02/22/11 17:49, Paul Macdonald wrote: > On 22/02/2011 16:40, Alokat wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I have changed my shell from csh to bash ... >> But after that I have to call "reboot" like /sbin/reboot. >> >> How can I change that without changing the shell. :) >> > don't change your root shell! > > csh is in the base system so is safe and will always* work, > > bash is a port and gets updated regularly, there's been at least one > occasion when my bash upgrade failed and i couln't login as root. > very frustrating.. > > I just get used to changing to bash after that, much safer! > > Paul. > > > Paul has satisfied me. I have changed back to csh. Thank for help. Regards, alokat From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 17:25:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 491941065674 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:25:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rramsdell@activedg.com) Received: from mail3.activedatatech.net (mail3.activedatatech.net [64.139.144.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C6738FC15 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:25:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail3.activedatatech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E140B62AF for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:08:32 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at activedatatech.net Received: from mail3.activedatatech.net ([192.168.21.224]) by localhost (mail3.activedatatech.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tVosWzV7WDTj for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:08:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.2.132] (rramsdell.bct.livedatagroup.com [192.168.2.132]) by mail3.activedatatech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32595B62AE for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:08:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4D63ED8E.8090309@activedg.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:08:30 -0500 From: Randy Ramsdell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D63E6F2.3050008@alokat.org> <4D63E92C.4060304@ifdnrg.com> <4D63EB2E.3080200@alokat.org> In-Reply-To: <4D63EB2E.3080200@alokat.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: bash can not find most of my commands X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:25:30 -0000 Alokat wrote: > On 02/22/11 17:49, Paul Macdonald wrote: >> On 22/02/2011 16:40, Alokat wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have changed my shell from csh to bash ... >>> But after that I have to call "reboot" like /sbin/reboot. >>> >>> How can I change that without changing the shell. :) >>> >> don't change your root shell! >> >> csh is in the base system so is safe and will always* work, >> >> bash is a port and gets updated regularly, there's been at least one >> occasion when my bash upgrade failed and i couln't login as root. >> very frustrating.. >> >> I just get used to changing to bash after that, much safer! >> >> Paul. >> >> >> > Paul has satisfied me. I have changed back to csh. > > Thank for help. > > Regards, > alokat > And if you use bash after login or anytime, your original problem remains. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 17:33:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD1CC106567A for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:33:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhelfman@experts-exchange.com) Received: from mail.experts-exchange.com (mail.experts-exchange.com [72.29.183.251]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 860E88FC15 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:33:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.experts-exchange.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.experts-exchange.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB8D6F338E; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 09:33:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=e-e.com; h= user-agent:in-reply-to:content-disposition:content-type :content-type:mime-version:references:message-id:subject:subject :from:from:date:date:received:received:received; s=ee; t= 1298396035; x=1300210435; bh=jN2OWFZJstOpLQIukmpeCYnFg3E7B/1WES6 0IGNOxPQ=; b=QATsUG0dTcMl2zBrnfcbaKl9j+qVbLMAVl4z6D8u+rb2ngR79bB yLtSNHh1XhOD8OZixQ0HgD6u6FOMF8OfJvzD29R5KqBHAgEIuTKrIF3pL91ZdDzg 3KrAHU2xTajTSuzX/grWnO6UNHfvr/hUN0Lj4/tXcmub9vi/qT6nRk0k= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at experts-exchange.com Received: from mail.experts-exchange.com ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.experts-exchange.com (mail.experts-exchange.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E2cgnp+yy8pY; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 09:33:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from experts-exchange.com (unknown [192.168.103.122]) by mail.experts-exchange.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D57DE6F338A; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 09:33:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (nullmailer pid 54825 invoked by uid 1001); Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:30:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 09:30:35 -0800 From: Jason Helfman To: Randy Ramsdell Message-ID: <20110222173035.GP51350@eggman.experts-exchange.com> References: <4D63E6F2.3050008@alokat.org> <4D63E92C.4060304@ifdnrg.com> <4D63EB2E.3080200@alokat.org> <4D63ED8E.8090309@activedg.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D63ED8E.8090309@activedg.com> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE X-Living-The-Dream: I love the SLO Life! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bash can not find most of my commands X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:33:55 -0000 On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 12:08:30PM -0500, Randy Ramsdell thus spake: >Alokat wrote: >> On 02/22/11 17:49, Paul Macdonald wrote: >>> On 22/02/2011 16:40, Alokat wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I have changed my shell from csh to bash ... >>>> But after that I have to call "reboot" like /sbin/reboot. >>>> >>>> How can I change that without changing the shell. :) >>>> >>> don't change your root shell! >>> >>> csh is in the base system so is safe and will always* work, >>> >>> bash is a port and gets updated regularly, there's been at least one >>> occasion when my bash upgrade failed and i couln't login as root. >>> very frustrating.. >>> >>> I just get used to changing to bash after that, much safer! >>> >>> Paul. >>> >>> >>> >> Paul has satisfied me. I have changed back to csh. >> >> Thank for help. >> >> Regards, >> alokat >> > >And if you use bash after login or anytime, your original problem remains. This has to do with your path, and it is known good practice to use full paths, as well. -jgh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 17:40:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A7E51065780 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:40:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEFB18FC27 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:40:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.98]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A8BAE16B4B9; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 11:40:35 -0600 (CST) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 11:39:38 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 11:39:37 -0600 (CST) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@debranded.6dollardialup.com To: Alokat In-Reply-To: <4D63EB2E.3080200@alokat.org> Message-ID: <20110222113927.C1259@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> References: <4D63E6F2.3050008@alokat.org> <4D63E92C.4060304@ifdnrg.com> <4D63EB2E.3080200@alokat.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bash can not find most of my commands X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:40:38 -0000 On Tue, 22 Feb 2011, Alokat wrote: > Paul has satisfied me. I have changed back to csh. If you want to run as root and use bash, well, that is what the user toor is for (examine master.passwd -- use vipw to edit master.passwd to enter a password for toor and the path to bash for toor, but set EDITOR first if you are not comfortable with vi). If you activate toor, you can log in as toor, use bash, and yet you are root (try whoami as toor). This preserves the root login for emergencies when /usr may not be mounted. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 17:53:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BFF01065673 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:53:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C6E68FC0C for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:53:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1MHrpUa065899; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 10:53:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p1MHrpSq065896; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 10:53:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 10:53:51 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Paul Macdonald In-Reply-To: <4D63E92C.4060304@ifdnrg.com> Message-ID: References: <4D63E6F2.3050008@alokat.org> <4D63E92C.4060304@ifdnrg.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 22 Feb 2011 10:53:51 -0700 (MST) Cc: Alokat , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: bash can not find most of my commands X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:53:55 -0000 On Tue, 22 Feb 2011, Paul Macdonald wrote: > On 22/02/2011 16:40, Alokat wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I have changed my shell from csh to bash ... >> But after that I have to call "reboot" like /sbin/reboot. >> >> How can I change that without changing the shell. :) >> > don't change your root shell! > > csh is in the base system so is safe and will always* work, > > bash is a port and gets updated regularly, there's been at least one occasion > when my bash upgrade failed and i couln't login as root. very frustrating.. > > I just get used to changing to bash after that, much safer! Consider running bash from .cshrc. Less breakable than changing root's shell, but still kind of automatic. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 18:03:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C915F106564A for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:03:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.60]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 91D568FC0C for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:03:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 21810 invoked by uid 0); 22 Feb 2011 18:03:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2011 18:03:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=GaVEtnB/KJQE2kQo1ARPHhZXMWLxtdVLBlGWf5XXOiJZ8lxjLRzzsj2AZcnjzWMKj191tx4rRvv6Nm8/iQmzwgDpNvabYIf9Nti28hPz81Pbv62zP3Im0d837lzTVvDp; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PrwaW-0008QU-Pw for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 11:03:53 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 22 Feb 2011 10:53:13 -0700 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 10:53:13 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110222175313.GD3027@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D63E6F2.3050008@alokat.org> <4D63E92C.4060304@ifdnrg.com> <4D63EB2E.3080200@alokat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="veXX9dWIonWZEC6h" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D63EB2E.3080200@alokat.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: bash can not find most of my commands X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:03:54 -0000 --veXX9dWIonWZEC6h Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 05:58:22PM +0100, Alokat wrote: > > Paul has satisfied me. I have changed back to csh. Your system should have a "toor" account as well. It is just a second root account, whose essential purpose is to provide a root account that you can fiddle with to your heart's content without endangering the main root account. Note that the toor account can break things on the system just as much as the root account; if you break the toor account itself, though, you still have access to the main root account to get yourself out of trouble. Thus, if you *really* want a superuser account with bash as its default shell, you can always use toor for that purpose. I don't much see the point in setting a superuser account to use bash anyway -- or any other account, really -- but the option is there if you must have it. Just don't change the shell for the root account itself that way; it's bad for you, with lots of fatty calories, preservatives, artificial sweeteners, and other stuff your body should not be ingesting on a regular basis. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --veXX9dWIonWZEC6h Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1j+AkACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVNZACgtFhW/mwVPG8z8yfauB5xeomz hbEAnjBHbvIzfHwmbYJdvFvxFtF/10zQ =W8sa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --veXX9dWIonWZEC6h-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 18:07:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A45F9106564A for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:07:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4296A8FC14 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:07:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyg7 with SMTP id 7so1102303eyg.13 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 10:07:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.45.75 with SMTP id o51mr3316767eeb.49.1298398074996; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 10:07:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.119.1 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 10:07:54 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.17.60] In-Reply-To: <20110222175313.GD3027@guilt.hydra> References: <4D63E6F2.3050008@alokat.org> <4D63E92C.4060304@ifdnrg.com> <4D63EB2E.3080200@alokat.org> <20110222175313.GD3027@guilt.hydra> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 10:07:54 -0800 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: bash can not find most of my commands X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:07:58 -0000 On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Chad Perrin wrote: > Thus, if you *really* want a superuser account with bash as its default > shell, you can always use toor for that purpose. =A0I don't much see the > point in setting a superuser account to use bash anyway -- or any other > account, really -- but the option is there if you must have it. It turns out auto-completion with hinting and command history searching are pretty addictive if you're used to having them. :) Personally, I usually just use sudo, or run bash as my first command after gaining root powers. But it's very interesting to finally find out what "toor" is for. I'd always wondered. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 20:49:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B03106564A for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 20:49:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3CBE08FC13 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 20:49:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 28569 invoked by uid 0); 22 Feb 2011 20:49:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2011 20:49:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=FNAteZ+0vqXQa4iL4Opvy+/46KeTtHzULBEH8rj7OTx2BdIOlD4iyrcTlaMIzolUwDF6JYLbjswzOE2fE1wYHabERDvOfD1lFK1Pi1sK9N6x7Rnk0brrs4u14vriciXc; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PrzB4-0006NA-Cj for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:49:47 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:39:06 -0700 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:39:06 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110222203906.GA3608@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D63E6F2.3050008@alokat.org> <4D63E92C.4060304@ifdnrg.com> <4D63EB2E.3080200@alokat.org> <20110222175313.GD3027@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: bash can not find most of my commands X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 20:49:48 -0000 --u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:07:54AM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote: > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Chad Perrin wrote: >=20 > It turns out auto-completion with hinting and command history > searching are pretty addictive if you're used to having them. :) I have auto-completion, and I know my environment well enough that hints aren't generally helpful. >=20 > Personally, I usually just use sudo, or run bash as my first command > after gaining root powers. But it's very interesting to finally find > out what "toor" is for. I'd always wondered. Glad to be of some help. Just do us all a favor; don't write code in bash. Use Bourne shell (sh, not bash), or a "real" programming language (Perl, Ruby, Python, whatever). The bash option essentially tries to capture the power of such "real" languages, but does a very bad job of it -- and gives up the nigh-universal portability across Unix-like systems to do so. It's the worst of all worlds. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1kHuoACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUXBACgn8O8YjLLZ68gyttrvzrlBOlf eJUAnj6Ri1MZy1fC489phASTSTZh5Fh/ =5rg8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 21:11:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89E2C106564A for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 21:11:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28E718FC0C for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 21:11:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyg7 with SMTP id 7so1217328eyg.13 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:11:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.127.136 with SMTP id d8mr3535293eei.35.1298409020892; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:10:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.119.1 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:10:20 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.17.222] In-Reply-To: <20110222203906.GA3608@guilt.hydra> References: <4D63E6F2.3050008@alokat.org> <4D63E92C.4060304@ifdnrg.com> <4D63EB2E.3080200@alokat.org> <20110222175313.GD3027@guilt.hydra> <20110222203906.GA3608@guilt.hydra> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:10:20 -0800 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: bash can not find most of my commands X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 21:11:11 -0000 On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > Just do us all a favor; don't write code in bash. Yeah, I try to avoid bash-specific syntax unless it's for one-off scripts. csh suffers the same kinds of problems; I only write csh code under extreme duress, like when forced to maintain the system-wide csh.login script. ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 21:42:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07DB3106566B for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 21:42:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lconrad@Go2France.com) Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [81.255.84.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34F78FC12 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 21:42:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from VirusGate.MEIway.com (virusgate.meiway.com [81.255.84.76]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 8919147184A for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 22:42:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [81.255.84.73]) by VirusGate.MEIway.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 065973865C0 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 22:42:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from lconrad@Go2France.com) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 22:42:05 +0100 Message-Id: <201102222242.AA10289584@mail.Go2France.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Len Conrad" X-Sender: To: X-Mailer: Subject: can't make port BIND 9.7.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lconrad@Go2France.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 21:42:35 -0000 7.2-RELEASE-p1-jc2 trying to make in /usr/ports/dns/bind97 distinfo shows bind-9.7.3.tar.gz make options: SSL IDN replace_base sigchase ipv6 threads links xml exiting the options, an immediate stop: make: don't know how to make /usr/ports/dns/bind97/work/.build_done.bind97._usr_local. Stop *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/ports/dns/bind97. thanks Len From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 21:49:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51BFC10656A3 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 21:49:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 177D28FC17 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 21:49:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 16347 invoked by uid 0); 22 Feb 2011 21:49:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2011 21:49:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=Z7kQ2okFlL93nHl1oJZa8lwFG+nqmq+6SSgB/YxLN6nFWyeVGx9qsYplc9nMvmQpjWMxj6vn0Dpf8szebg5R+SkIIlIbCH4G18hoCfCLPzhJsl7r2eQhn8MA0cAm6jk6; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ps06n-0001RN-Qe for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:49:27 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:38:45 -0700 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:38:45 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110222213845.GA3829@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D63E6F2.3050008@alokat.org> <4D63E92C.4060304@ifdnrg.com> <4D63EB2E.3080200@alokat.org> <20110222175313.GD3027@guilt.hydra> <20110222203906.GA3608@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: bash can not find most of my commands X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 21:49:28 -0000 --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 01:10:20PM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote: >=20 > Yeah, I try to avoid bash-specific syntax unless it's for one-off > scripts. csh suffers the same kinds of problems; I only write csh > code under extreme duress, like when forced to maintain the > system-wide csh.login script. ;) I often use tcsh as an interactive shell, but I do not use it for shell scripts. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1kLOUACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUuYwCfQxgKvLX0oY6I5uNcWdsWeh02 ffgAoKN0C1G5oz6N6Npzoyrg8JCA8veY =Nb3v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 22:12:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7625C106564A for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 22:12:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3965D8FC14 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 22:12:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-22-230-24.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.22.230.24] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ps0T3-0006fn-30 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:12:26 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:12:26 -0800 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:12:26 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110222221226.GA2365@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D63E6F2.3050008@alokat.org> <4D63E92C.4060304@ifdnrg.com> <4D63EB2E.3080200@alokat.org> <20110222175313.GD3027@guilt.hydra> <20110222203906.GA3608@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: bash can not find most of my commands X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 22:12:32 -0000 --sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth David Brodbeck on Tuesday, 22 February 2011: > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > > Just do us all a favor; don't write code in bash. What's with all the bash bashing? Sorry, couldn't resist. >=20 > Yeah, I try to avoid bash-specific syntax unless it's for one-off > scripts. csh suffers the same kinds of problems; I only write csh > code under extreme duress, like when forced to maintain the > system-wide csh.login script. ;) At least sh scripts will execute correctly under bash -- they don't always under csh/tcsh. I like zsh for a command-line shell, but when writing scripts for general usage I stick with the sh-compatibile subset of capabilities, and I enforce that on myself with the #!/bin/sh shebang. If I need more than what that can gracefully do, I usually run to the arms of Ruby. --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com --sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNZDTKAAoJEIpckszW26+RPOYH/2uYPgElt0Lp18WjX+hApzUc 0gPf2AYP6HdYECO5houB9pL0d2Q5DSBt+xamKCq7WCK4SamTUZPOUnUQKljjwh6I UbtR3Qlc/nXc5z81BOBqTYT8LHTWXFAUGmOfEceif94UGUaOOyrwiNkQhqfR4vQT 6x6eb86c8wacx/h1+bF2Wv+Ei7VE0CK1X24lXlWkqaPoIx6Dn/tMPNA8DbxYegKS TOoVxv/j1fBJveIysQyS68vhPJYuPp3qw11D5MwBgVvflSQB8SpiFbjDtaQCSxn/ etu9xk9lkMqzQbpE/kdC+YbeL/LkRx5+/xiAxBS++EIiRnPoLi7NJl9HsaZGnOo= =VpHZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 22:47:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF93F106566C for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 22:47:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bluethundr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B65D48FC17 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 22:47:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so2163373iwn.13 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:47:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=y/BJbmHkFkdNbAC9k1b2Hnqvgah7xRqldlxHgM9jABg=; b=KLZM2A2AxFEZN7dCSgA3zSTogkPC1iL5u3LlFSFMQDBqOO+g7Yvzp9c/+AyUpAm/T7 +6JJzFJ0cy0NOmVBOmtIWZif9RLR0Nr9HHW34OdTdrqEtKknphVS1fELNirNhmJbxKnE 7MjX+cYueKbFzwxagJ8gsG4sVdX4z7x5xb76k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=HOBMZAVRzKvLBqS7GdikZzrCFvYUXqWbgWF6zQPcJY+5mUxm0HTPcmYcVpW2d0b/6k iYweu6ikTY9aRwKJSP5FjSg1LpmfytGrbWmK5ESAzbKRB8RknFLVvh19qgQcmTi3oFFv wenGZrKlTpCWqwsqDZyFL2X4hFmv8gLTSIbLo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.43.65.80 with SMTP id xl16mr4256393icb.244.1298414826371; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:47:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.228.7 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:47:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:47:06 -0500 Message-ID: From: Tim Dunphy To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=bcaec51d21a07f3ac8049ce6c2aa Subject: openldap problems authenticating X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 22:47:08 -0000 --bcaec51d21a07f3ac8049ce6c2aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello list, I am running an openldap 2.4 server under FreeBSD that was working well until the config was tweaked by someone on the team without properly documenting their work # /usr/local/etc/ldap.con on ldap server (FreeBSD 8.1) host LBSD.summitnjhome.com base dc=summitnjhome,dc=com sudoers_base ou=sudoers,ou=Services,dc=summitnjhome,dc=com binddn cn=pam_ldap,ou=Services,dc=summitnjhome,dc=com bindpw {SSHA}secret scope sub pam_password exop nss_base_passwd ou=staff,dc=summitnjhome,dc=com nss_base_shadow ou=staff,dc=summitnjhome,dc=com # grep for ldap account shows ldap account on the ldap server itself succeeds [root@LBSD2:/usr/local/etc/openldap] #getent passwd | grep walbs walbs:secret/:1002:1003:Walkiria Soares:/home/walbs:/usr/local/bin/bash [root@LBSD2:/usr/local/etc/openldap] #grep walbs /etc/passwd [root@LBSD2:/usr/local/etc/openldap] # # /etc/ldap.conf on ldap client (centos 5.5) host LBSD2.summitnjhome.com base dc=summitnjhome,dc=com sudoers_base ou=sudoers,ou=Services,dc=summitnjhome,dc=com binddn cn=pam_ldap,ou=Services,dc=summitnjhome,dc=com bindpw {crypt}secret scope sub pam_password exop nss_base_passwd ou=staff,dc=summitnjhome,dc=com nss_base_shadow ou=staff,dc=summitnjhome,dc=com # grep getent passwd for ldap account on the client nothing turns up after a long pause [root@LCENT01:~] #getent passwd | grep walbs [root@LCENT01:~] # # nsswitch on the client passwd: files ldap shadow: files ldap group: files ldap sudoers: ldap #hosts: db files nisplus nis dns hosts: files dns # this is what's going on in the logs on the ldap server during th getent from the #client Feb 22 21:31:18 LBSD2 slapd[51158]: conn=3411 op=0 RESULT tag=97 err=49 text= Feb 22 21:31:18 LBSD2 slapd[51158]: conn=3411 op=1 UNBIND Feb 22 21:31:18 LBSD2 slapd[51158]: conn=3411 fd=22 closed Feb 22 21:31:26 LBSD2 slapd[51158]: conn=3412 fd=22 ACCEPT from IP=192.168.1.42:53811 (IP=192.168.1.44:389) Feb 22 21:31:26 LBSD2 slapd[51158]: conn=3412 op=0 BIND dn="cn=pam_ldap,ou=Services,dc=summitnjhome,dc=com" method=128 Feb 22 21:31:26 LBSD2 slapd[51158]: conn=3412 op=0 RESULT tag=97 err=49 text= Feb 22 21:31:26 LBSD2 slapd[51158]: conn=3412 op=1 UNBIND Feb 22 21:31:26 LBSD2 slapd[51158]: conn=3412 fd=22 closed #ldap search from the client as the pam services account is able to locate the ldap user info [root@LCENT02:~] #ldapsearch -xH 'ldap://LBSD2.summitnjhome.com' -D 'cn=pam_ldap ,ou=Services,dc=summitnjhome,dc=com' -w 'secret' -b 'dc=summitnjhome,dc=com' '(uid=walbs)' # extended LDIF # # LDAPv3 # base with scope subtree # filter: (uid=walbs) # requesting: ALL # # walbs, People, summitnjhome.com dn: uid=walbs,ou=People,dc=summitnjhome,dc=com uid: walbs cn: Walkiria Soares givenName: Walkiria sn: Soares mail: walbs@example.com objectClass: inetLocalMailRecipient objectClass: person objectClass: organizationalPerson objectClass: inetOrgPerson objectClass: posixAccount objectClass: top uidNumber: 1002 gidNumber: 1003 # search result search: 2 result: 0 Success # numResponses: 2 # numEntries: 1 #pam_ldap services account in the ldap directory 3 cn=pam_ldap,ou=Services,dc=summitnjhome,dc=com cn: pam_ldap objectClass: top objectClass: inetOrgPerson sn: PAM userPassword: {SSHA}secret I have also tried doing anonymous binds on the client as well as using plain text passwords. I get the same tag=97 err=49 messages on the client either way. Some advice is sorely needed here. Thank you very kindly in advance! -- GPG me!! gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys F186197B --bcaec51d21a07f3ac8049ce6c2aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="slapd.txt" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="slapd.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Attachment-Id: f_gkhem4o70 IwojIFNlZSBzbGFwZC5jb25mKDUpIGZvciBkZXRhaWxzIG9uIGNvbmZpZ3VyYXRpb24gb3B0aW9u cy4KIyBUaGlzIGZpbGUgc2hvdWxkIE5PVCBiZSB3b3JsZCByZWFkYWJsZS4KIwppbmNsdWRlCQkv dXNyL2xvY2FsL2V0Yy9vcGVubGRhcC9zY2hlbWEvY29yZS5zY2hlbWEKaW5jbHVkZSAgICAgICAg IC91c3IvbG9jYWwvZXRjL29wZW5sZGFwL3NjaGVtYS9jb3NpbmUuc2NoZW1hCmluY2x1ZGUgICAg ICAgICAvdXNyL2xvY2FsL2V0Yy9vcGVubGRhcC9zY2hlbWEvaW5ldG9yZ3BlcnNvbi5zY2hlbWEK CiMgRGVmaW5lIGdsb2JhbCBBQ0xzIHRvIGRpc2FibGUgZGVmYXVsdCByZWFkIGFjY2Vzcy4KCiMg RG8gbm90IGVuYWJsZSByZWZlcnJhbHMgdW50aWwgQUZURVIgeW91IGhhdmUgYSB3b3JraW5nIGRp cmVjdG9yeQojIHNlcnZpY2UgQU5EIGFuIHVuZGVyc3RhbmRpbmcgb2YgcmVmZXJyYWxzLgojcmVm ZXJyYWwJbGRhcDovL3Jvb3Qub3BlbmxkYXAub3JnCgpwaWRmaWxlCQkvdmFyL3J1bi9vcGVubGRh cC9zbGFwZC5waWQKYXJnc2ZpbGUJL3Zhci9ydW4vb3BlbmxkYXAvc2xhcGQuYXJncwoKIyBMb2Fk IGR5bmFtaWMgYmFja2VuZCBtb2R1bGVzOgptb2R1bGVwYXRoCS91c3IvbG9jYWwvbGliZXhlYy9v cGVubGRhcAptb2R1bGVsb2FkCWJhY2tfYmRiCiMgbW9kdWxlbG9hZAliYWNrX2hkYgojIG1vZHVs ZWxvYWQJYmFja19sZGFwCgojIFNhbXBsZSBzZWN1cml0eSByZXN0cmljdGlvbnMKIwlSZXF1aXJl IGludGVncml0eSBwcm90ZWN0aW9uIChwcmV2ZW50IGhpamFja2luZykKIwlSZXF1aXJlIDExMi1i aXQgKDNERVMgb3IgYmV0dGVyKSBlbmNyeXB0aW9uIGZvciB1cGRhdGVzCiMJUmVxdWlyZSA2My1i aXQgZW5jcnlwdGlvbiBmb3Igc2ltcGxlIGJpbmQKIyBzZWN1cml0eSBzc2Y9MSB1cGRhdGVfc3Nm PTExMiBzaW1wbGVfYmluZD02NAoKIyBTYW1wbGUgYWNjZXNzIGNvbnRyb2wgcG9saWN5OgojCVJv b3QgRFNFOiBhbGxvdyBhbnlvbmUgdG8gcmVhZCBpdAojCVN1YnNjaGVtYSAoc3ViKWVudHJ5IERT RTogYWxsb3cgYW55b25lIHRvIHJlYWQgaXQKIwlPdGhlciBEU0VzOgojCQlBbGxvdyBzZWxmIHdy aXRlIGFjY2VzcwojCQlBbGxvdyBhdXRoZW50aWNhdGVkIHVzZXJzIHJlYWQgYWNjZXNzCiMJCUFs bG93IGFub255bW91cyB1c2VycyB0byBhdXRoZW50aWNhdGUKIwlEaXJlY3RpdmVzIG5lZWRlZCB0 byBpbXBsZW1lbnQgcG9saWN5OgojIGFjY2VzcyB0byBkbi5iYXNlPSIiIGJ5ICogcmVhZAojIGFj Y2VzcyB0byBkbi5iYXNlPSJjbj1TdWJzY2hlbWEiIGJ5ICogcmVhZAojIGFjY2VzcyB0byAqCiMJ Ynkgc2VsZiB3cml0ZQojCWJ5IHVzZXJzIHJlYWQKIwlieSBhbm9ueW1vdXMgYXV0aAoKCmFjY2Vz cyB0byBhdHRycz11c2VyUGFzc3dvcmQgYnkgc2VsZiB3cml0ZQogICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgIGJ5IGFub255bW91cyBhdXRoCgoKYWNjZXNzIHRvICogYnkgc2VsZiB3cml0ZQog ICAgICAgICAgICBieSBkbi5jaGlsZHJlbj0ib3U9c3RhZmYsZGM9c3VtbWl0bmpob21lLGRjPWNv bSIgd3JpdGUKICAgICAgICAgICAgYnkgdXNlcnMgcmVhZAogICAgICAgICAgICBieSBhbm9ueW1v dXMgYXV0aAoKIyBpZiBubyBhY2Nlc3MgY29udHJvbHMgYXJlIHByZXNlbnQsIHRoZSBkZWZhdWx0 IHBvbGljeQojIGFsbG93cyBhbnlvbmUgYW5kIGV2ZXJ5b25lIHRvIHJlYWQgYW55dGhpbmcgYnV0 IHJlc3RyaWN0cwojIHVwZGF0ZXMgdG8gcm9vdGRuLiAgKGUuZy4sICJhY2Nlc3MgdG8gKiBieSAq IHJlYWQiKQojCiMgcm9vdGRuIGNhbiBhbHdheXMgcmVhZCBhbmQgd3JpdGUgRVZFUllUSElORyEK CiMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMj IyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjCiMgQkRCIGRhdGFiYXNlIGRlZmluaXRpb25zCiMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMj IyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMj CgpkYXRhYmFzZQliZGIKc3VmZml4CQkiZGM9c3VtbWl0bmpob21lLGRjPWNvbSIKcm9vdGRuCQki Y249TWFuYWdlcixkYz1zdW1taXRuamhvbWUsZGM9Y29tIgojIENsZWFydGV4dCBwYXNzd29yZHMs IGVzcGVjaWFsbHkgZm9yIHRoZSByb290ZG4sIHNob3VsZAojIGJlIGF2b2lkLiAgU2VlIHNsYXBw YXNzd2QoOCkgYW5kIHNsYXBkLmNvbmYoNSkgZm9yIGRldGFpbHMuCiMgVXNlIG9mIHN0cm9uZyBh dXRoZW50aWNhdGlvbiBlbmNvdXJhZ2VkLgpyb290cHcJICAgICAgIHtTSEF9SWJJVEJZR1ZZSTlH azlFUEFRRUI1RncrQjRrPQkKIyBUaGUgZGF0YWJhc2UgZGlyZWN0b3J5IE1VU1QgZXhpc3QgcHJp b3IgdG8gcnVubmluZyBzbGFwZCBBTkQgCiMgc2hvdWxkIG9ubHkgYmUgYWNjZXNzaWJsZSBieSB0 aGUgc2xhcGQgYW5kIHNsYXAgdG9vbHMuCiMgTW9kZSA3MDAgcmVjb21tZW5kZWQuCmRpcmVjdG9y eQkvdmFyL2RiL3N1bW1pdG5qaG9tZS5jb20KIyBJbmRpY2VzIHRvIG1haW50YWluCmluZGV4CW9i amVjdENsYXNzCWVxCg== --bcaec51d21a07f3ac8049ce6c2aa-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 23 04:58:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB41106564A for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 04:58:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vikash_curse@yahoo.co.in) Received: from nm4-vm0.bullet.mail.in.yahoo.com (nm4-vm0.bullet.mail.in.yahoo.com [121.101.151.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E6DC38FC0A for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 04:58:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [121.101.151.236] by nm4.bullet.mail.in.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2011 04:44:42 -0000 Received: from [121.101.151.232] by tm1.bullet.mail.in.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2011 04:44:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.mail.in.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2011 04:44:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 887258.24690.bm@omp1001.mail.in.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 56973 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2011 04:44:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.in; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=x1f8px8Nm6lHht1dLIWAigd+Wvnyer79hUFgCwCnGI2wWiRU44LDDRX5HiUcF4h7xfYqfaS6uMxn4xOQiTykvWyyh7YrxUnkH109FjnLpB+07sE1S2jTNWtBBcp+g8sxqT7LRCIrJzSwJmD9cZ92BCRQa7a5DXt+df99CYYGL38= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.in; s=s1024; t=1298436273; bh=nhp0prAPtal20FUQ4G0ehtbK67YT66cUIFXuNK83Nv8=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2+zpnpmX4MqQNe0NjO8rEtPUtY8sNzgTPOWKzaMowS0rJogntoLbvHV6HHXtx9uRNpRRFvm9yHKWvOETtuktr18Y0xbseme+jAbldRS5LSGQYUjHausNPk0KAjtSLUKtbWkznrd0CxGYLfV+qKx4kbInzzk5S0zrZg1ADRNwnmM= Received: from [0.0.0.0] (vikash_curse@115.117.35.158 with plain) by smtp109.mail.in.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2011 10:14:33 +0530 IST X-Yahoo-SMTP: OP8jnmyswBCFxl60UHsC_BUeOHoHsm3c0A-- X-YMail-OSG: iiqEwJAVM1kyfFLJyj1HgxJy7LWaa51q2a9X8TrklVL7iGY taYIWc6YkyCgRuS799PeS768d2wqHPb5CQ1yP_.uqJcurbIwBM98FJ5ujoO4 n2f_aWxRVgSQM8p07.gzd1dkYFurXevbR421VZOui3pNnvreoJmWCCTkjwPO jGcSjzsZ6_9T5Dx6Vy6FuknIoAHqFWQMa X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4D649258.60203@yahoo.co.in> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:21:36 +0530 From: discard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101125 Thunderbird/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 05:18:49 +0000 Subject: Intel 3945ABG card X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 04:58:38 -0000 Anyone successfully using Intel 3945ABG card in adhoc mode in freebsd 8.1 ?? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 23 06:16:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF4AC106564A for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 06:16:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jktrigg@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74A6F8FC0A for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 06:16:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwf26 with SMTP id 26so7952117wwf.31 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 22:16:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=IixjAnbMfa/yT+HlLBKKIsbvBxdBruucfdeX1ezT+bY=; b=ssdj25oRjFZnNS+4rcgkIgu+JKiTwvRjwLy+wGQ6ruPAoySnVAzv+rt7z8CxjdOYJ3 cIO3PZnkQDpCTkkSBxdMh37JmoJipDZj33ytfUIkrAmBmH+yYvusoNOONjdpxc1DMBg1 EhQlTo8pZoS7mhslMsXf8q8tejOaTdyjbPw7E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=nBVW9URWkBD4bkveaq90TcUU+6pHK4AsUXeRdkcWz8P8+MSPQ5LJnkXqYt8vROKJ38 xk179eXiumG0SkZrvLtWYwmRQ954LEZJpUpbwU4n9LN5fYSCbC7dEUWV0TCE96eJnYeg p7+eojrLI0Y5wg5BMkD3DhmeIpfvIOOlvNnQ8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.10.208 with SMTP id 58mr3189707wev.14.1298441774389; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 22:16:14 -0800 (PST) Sender: jktrigg@gmail.com Received: by 10.216.93.85 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 22:16:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 01:16:14 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: awyJlcW14aZ9DsY3waEAMqUgr_E Message-ID: From: Jim Trigg To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Installation problem on AMD64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 06:16:16 -0000 On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Jim Trigg wrote: > I do an installation from DVD on AMD64, and when I reboot it hangs > before displaying anything from the standard boot loader. =A0How can I > debug this? I found my problem by accident -- I had a badly formatted USB stick connected. (I had tried to write the memstick image to a 1G stick -- not quite large enough.) Thanks, Jim From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 23 17:43:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 703F6106564A for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:43:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from enlil65@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2637B8FC13 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:43:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk27 with SMTP id 27so2844864qyk.13 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:43:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Zjrhs2X5M1+ECGhGl3bsTbEtVzmW8IAV1TKwfDXGQj0=; b=gsAm+M4pxjWbm4RHg0qLanHTIMzgcdSbdAV4K4n6/u+EfEjda5aAqN/yE+u+3jISuh 90etvUsaHVkJZrHel3igddSIaQgI+OiIiX8olRlUt/fspwz1fHu0Gq2aCDtgZIGTAHOb xJK1KnqjuEwQQj6O9dFSJ3MMxeDuSOEH4aCqc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=YhZGAVURzlUXlXxYuf8fCNKCOpBzFD6JTAOV46nsd1D56kpYXxwEApoJ5xI15IopSK 0R+89YMG+Hx9/s14JqzDY4FH5IZJ4LH518WUTC3hi3yiKS0Mk8htSqVcjaBtjJL+cI7I x+MYWOMafN5c/K52akLaT86CENJxGjyELLeas= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.38.145 with SMTP id b17mr643960qce.131.1298481495921; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:18:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.225.131 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:18:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1296743711.30294.5.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> References: <4D4A843B.9090100@401.cx> <1296743711.30294.5.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 11:18:15 -0600 Message-ID: From: Peggy Wilkins To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Dell r210 (SAS 6/ir) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:43:54 -0000 On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: > > I have a dell with 2 dual xeon 6 cores, dual thread cpus (24 logical > cpus) > with that famous perc6 controller, running FreeBSD 8.2 and with > journaling FS (one partition) and 2 SAS drivers of 160GB. > > The controller blocks almost all the time.. message is timeout..... > > I used the mfi config utility (in the ports) and enable write cache. > it now works ok (no more timeouts) but sometimes (once a week) > it panics the system. =A0A fix in the gjournal appears today (cvsup) > and I hope it can fix the problem... I have seen many reports of the mfi timeout problem, and I was seeing this on one of my Dell servers as well. All the problem reports I've seen have involved the mfi driver, but sometimes it is PERC5 or PERC6, other times it has been H700 or H800. It appears we have the same CPU? Intel Xeon X5680 (Intel Westmere). I fixed the timeout problem on my server by updating some settings in the BIOS. Here are the details. The following should all be set to "disabled" (they are enabled by default)= : Processor Options: - Turbo Mode - C1E - C-States Turbo mode allows overclocking of the CPU when certain conditions occur. C-States and C1E have to do with ACPI; see the section on Processor States at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acpi for more info. You may also want to make sure your BIOS is set for "Maximum Performance". Sorry, I don't recall off hand which config section this is found under. plw From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 23 19:32:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7AD4106566B for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 19:32:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from btillman99@yahoo.com) Received: from web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.85.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 946958FC08 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 19:32:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 243 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Feb 2011 19:32:03 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1298489523; bh=T3TYerPjP8q6o0pxGZ+bgXLzbRDSZ4d2PkzTa2x+IKk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JeiL7GBmy+xJDtJHYpWfDB3pAUVTdQznORdIKFIWeJvXIsFMzbFTQuzh4FyDuWl6TkzGak0mk3hcjeJAzO+5+D40MZiIMPo7xNP4cEwObc+ahJOC+DAcPV6DxvszK7+S2hkxR/PBiCLXPMK+Avp6H9Fnc18MS/DP2n3zaFsN/Es= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0+l+fRhSwwKppgq5A41Jt24QXH/O3ISqlql6X3Dj2NOpqR7DW2GRRtNFL0qJ98Ll6BOOEnfwFrOrOuMB3E2SgGsZXBZRFmhq14xluRjVtt2D5RddMaBA3Rb5LZHb5kOigGFK+Nj55dkdj3a0aOBJlLTYqJt7AflNG+ZQkggNVB0=; Message-ID: <764705.98740.qm@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: AKRClpkVM1lN8prhSwePoscji422beC3t18Dkv.etNiESkE 9XN6YHP8NWdo0G2L.BBOARJQs.TG9i2HcX2chy3iEuURGRoPOq1.Mep9453C fT_MNqBPUG0ufuY9M2VutpAXbko3xlBN08YiCW2Rva0r605WHASWWbx1RCiU FPJg5p_T9Ztooei82h8lqLn0W.Uvf40GEwpSgh1gIHFp3Ts3HWtLQeXnJGfP CkPRZs8fKv3mNch_uH9NIPTNyC.NI9df06DfDqjDtRrmzoFxV4HFtrY8v3Ml WdR6eOoL4uY2TCHXTTjDQFnquin7Hz9xDtd8ApTxg3hOuH2oaqMdPB3WHL7R RqQKx_FHPdLNE1WUT0BaBzs.xX9YhiI1ylEWXVySB Received: from [98.242.233.74] by web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 11:32:03 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/555 YahooMailWebService/0.8.109.292656 References: <1298158643.73477.1.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 11:32:03 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Tillman To: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi , Andy Wodfer In-Reply-To: <1298158643.73477.1.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: How to forward old root mails to an external email address? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 19:32:04 -0000 The only problem with this is that unlike 10 years ago, today almost all ISP's block anything coming down port 25 unless you have an account that allows your e-mail server to work. And they of course charge for this. I used to enjoy my own private e-mail server but these days if the ISP's don't charge you for it they block it. ________________________________ From: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi To: Andy Wodfer Cc: freebsd-questions Sent: Sat, February 19, 2011 6:37:23 PM Subject: Re: How to forward old root mails to an external email address? You can use fetchmail (in the ports) and teapop (in the ports too) setup a config that fetches your email (via pop) and send via smtp to another place in the planet It has been a long time (about 10 years) since I use this... Sergio _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 23 20:22:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4926A1065695 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:22:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 021C28FC17 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:22:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk7 with SMTP id 7so1756008gxk.13 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 12:22:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=mL7Cj18fskcSDDvD7o4WCJCtMccZX7q7HKqKeWmX5aw=; b=kBIg5pV0TpLxck0aseEuznnYIT1CfDj/m9/n1sZlqE4G5E6/8FFHC45+Tc+6bvZJSL hw3zQJvkXjwLq96E3Iz8JO5YUV/3rircUB+1xp1rJFieDh6233+GUzzZhRJCYBLbQdUz IFzL8s742wvX71B61+5+RVFZFD3rKIt9DNPKs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=a6ikJZPmzclYJIxNEmMpZ84g70AWmlR5uUlSGzdeyCShnzm/uDjRZpJfcjdEQ9ysqh hbN0JZkW6IkoqzOYLjRKod+V77PTKtt3KIBbrpjShQxDJF/gDB26uXAjCrC9J8q7iSB2 Fv/QEWECTH/hIOpS3qF6Wkpa6+G8XtEXA/OCg= Received: by 10.100.107.18 with SMTP id f18mr1948716anc.181.1298491183143; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 11:59:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.110.2 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 11:59:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Valentin Bud Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:59:23 +0200 Message-ID: To: Tim Dunphy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: openldap problems authenticating X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:22:30 -0000 On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Tim Dunphy wrote: > Hello list, > > I am running an openldap 2.4 server under FreeBSD that was working > well until the config was tweaked by someone on the team without > properly documenting their work > > # /usr/local/etc/ldap.con on ldap server (FreeBSD 8.1) > > host LBSD.summitnjhome.com > base dc=summitnjhome,dc=com > sudoers_base ou=sudoers,ou=Services,dc=summitnjhome,dc=com > binddn cn=pam_ldap,ou=Services,dc=summitnjhome,dc=com > bindpw {SSHA}secret > scope sub > pam_password exop > nss_base_passwd ou=staff,dc=summitnjhome,dc=com > nss_base_shadow ou=staff,dc=summitnjhome,dc=com > > > # grep for ldap account shows ldap account on the ldap server itself > succeeds > > [root@LBSD2:/usr/local/etc/openldap] #getent passwd | grep walbs > walbs:secret/:1002:1003:Walkiria Soares:/home/walbs:/usr/local/bin/bash > [root@LBSD2:/usr/local/etc/openldap] #grep walbs /etc/passwd > [root@LBSD2:/usr/local/etc/openldap] # > > > > > > # /etc/ldap.conf on ldap client (centos 5.5) > > host LBSD2.summitnjhome.com > base dc=summitnjhome,dc=com > sudoers_base ou=sudoers,ou=Services,dc=summitnjhome,dc=com > binddn cn=pam_ldap,ou=Services,dc=summitnjhome,dc=com > bindpw {crypt}secret > scope sub > pam_password exop > nss_base_passwd ou=staff,dc=summitnjhome,dc=com > nss_base_shadow ou=staff,dc=summitnjhome,dc=com > > # grep getent passwd for ldap account on the client nothing turns up > after a long pause > > > [root@LCENT01:~] #getent passwd | grep walbs > [root@LCENT01:~] # > > > # nsswitch on the client > > passwd: files ldap > shadow: files ldap > group: files ldap > sudoers: ldap > #hosts: db files nisplus nis dns > hosts: files dns > > > # this is what's going on in the logs on the ldap server during th > getent from the #client > > Feb 22 21:31:18 LBSD2 slapd[51158]: conn=3411 op=0 RESULT tag=97 err=49 > text= > Feb 22 21:31:18 LBSD2 slapd[51158]: conn=3411 op=1 UNBIND > Feb 22 21:31:18 LBSD2 slapd[51158]: conn=3411 fd=22 closed > Feb 22 21:31:26 LBSD2 slapd[51158]: conn=3412 fd=22 ACCEPT from > IP=192.168.1.42:53811 (IP=192.168.1.44:389) > Feb 22 21:31:26 LBSD2 slapd[51158]: conn=3412 op=0 BIND > dn="cn=pam_ldap,ou=Services,dc=summitnjhome,dc=com" method=128 > Feb 22 21:31:26 LBSD2 slapd[51158]: conn=3412 op=0 RESULT tag=97 err=49 > text= > Feb 22 21:31:26 LBSD2 slapd[51158]: conn=3412 op=1 UNBIND > Feb 22 21:31:26 LBSD2 slapd[51158]: conn=3412 fd=22 closed > > #ldap search from the client as the pam services account is able to > locate the ldap user info > > [root@LCENT02:~] #ldapsearch -xH 'ldap://LBSD2.summitnjhome.com' -D > 'cn=pam_ldap > ,ou=Services,dc=summitnjhome,dc=com' -w 'secret' -b > 'dc=summitnjhome,dc=com' > '(uid=walbs)' > # extended LDIF > # > # LDAPv3 > # base with scope subtree > # filter: (uid=walbs) > # requesting: ALL > # > > > > # walbs, People, summitnjhome.com > dn: uid=walbs,ou=People,dc=summitnjhome,dc=com > uid: walbs > cn: Walkiria Soares > givenName: Walkiria > sn: Soares > mail: walbs@example.com > objectClass: inetLocalMailRecipient > objectClass: person > objectClass: organizationalPerson > objectClass: inetOrgPerson > objectClass: posixAccount > objectClass: top > uidNumber: 1002 > gidNumber: 1003 > > # search result > search: 2 > result: 0 Success > > # numResponses: 2 > # numEntries: 1 > > > #pam_ldap services account in the ldap directory > > 3 cn=pam_ldap,ou=Services,dc=summitnjhome,dc=com > cn: pam_ldap > objectClass: top > objectClass: inetOrgPerson > sn: PAM > userPassword: {SSHA}secret > > > I have also tried doing anonymous binds on the client as well as using > plain text passwords. I get the same tag=97 err=49 messages on the > client either way. > > Some advice is sorely needed here. Thank you very kindly in advance! > > -- > GPG me!! > > gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys F186197B > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Hello Tim, First of all: err=49 message in LDAP logs mean some kind of invalid credentials (user or password, either tls but this is not the case). After reading the mail a few times I have noticed something strange: host LBSD.summitnjhome.com base dc=summitnjhome,dc=com sudoers_base ou=sudoers,ou=Services,dc=summitnjhome,dc=com binddn cn=pam_ldap,ou=Services,dc=summitnjhome,dc=com *bindpw {SSHA}secret* and on the client: host LBSD2.summitnjhome.com base dc=summitnjhome,dc=com sudoers_base ou=sudoers,ou=Services,dc=summitnjhome,dc=com binddn cn=pam_ldap,ou=Services,dc=summitnjhome,dc=com *bindpw {crypt}secret* I honestly say that I have never seen the password entry preceded by the algo used to encrypt it in ldap.conf. Anyway, logs are no liar so you should double check for user/password combination in config files. This is backed up by the fact that the direct ldapsearch from CLI works. For sure on CLI you enter the correct password. my 7c, v -- network warrior From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 23 21:41:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE94E106566B for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:41:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E0228FC17 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:41:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-143-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.143.131]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 169CA3D297; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 22:41:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p1NLf3Lv001719; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 22:41:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 22:41:02 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Bill Tillman Message-Id: <20110223224102.efb64d4c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <764705.98740.qm@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1298158643.73477.1.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <764705.98740.qm@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: How to forward old root mails to an external email address? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:41:05 -0000 On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 11:32:03 -0800 (PST), Bill Tillman wrote: > The only problem with this is that unlike 10 years ago, today almost all ISP's > block anything coming down port 25 unless you have an account that allows your > e-mail server to work. And they of course charge for this. I used to enjoy my > own private e-mail server but these days if the ISP's don't charge you for it > they block it. This is sadly true and possibly the result of spamming traditionally coming from compromised home PCs. Some providers offer you to use their MX, so if you're using sendmail as MTA, let it hand its messages to your ISP's MX as a realy which will then identify by a "good IP". This can be configured in your sendmail's mc as follows: define(`SMART_HOST', `mx.your.isp.blah') Note that most relays will only accept messages coming from the respective ISP's net, so when you try to use it from a different ISP, it will deny your access. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 23 21:50:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F6A106566B for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:50:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demelier.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C64AC8FC0A for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:50:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so658777bwz.13 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:50:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=X7D2nOMBtFhnZHc9zhlnFXECnur8W9ojuV0aipWR1rk=; b=Hdsd77Zvt6XFNjOOiuImL+LCb1+QP2L2dBZg98oaUXGMFBthYomMs7Hd5iPZptg1fV xfF75UDoIpN8VpRCMspBfA8054R/NQZJm+J7BJGNlOct3vXmFGovuEgDSkJkG4Ams8i8 n9v1D/kE7JhC+0R4oRfsRqtDeipY4Ji8vEm7s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=rb+cGGAt6tp/X+Eacu539a0aH94ud75RBK8aTO2mD66RcvgWL5uBmkhztjkwyop0sg xb8PeTdK0EpOSK2Srpjj0+hHty1JzGrUVzEA7y/vVj0XrFYPdGNMcMCug0gG1o2CqHOX sJGYXpdUatyndK4TRemi8eUWZ5evqzbubtK8E= Received: by 10.204.124.20 with SMTP id s20mr8195bkr.194.1298497810964; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:50:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from Melon.malikania.fr (65.21.102-84.rev.gaoland.net [84.102.21.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a17sm913443bku.23.2011.02.23.13.50.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:50:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D6580EC.8090007@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 22:49:32 +0100 From: David Demelier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110125 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D5CCB72.20505@gmail.com> <44ei75xyn6.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> In-Reply-To: <44ei75xyn6.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Lowell Gilbert Subject: Re: mergemaster -U ask for a lot non-user modified files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:50:13 -0000 On 18/02/2011 14:25, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > David Demelier writes: > >> Hello, >> >> Each time I run mergemaster -UiF, it asks for a lot of file that I do >> not have modified such as /dev/rc.d/* and /etc/defaults/* >> >> >> ====================================================================== >> >> >> Use 'd' to delete the temporary ./etc/network.subr >> Use 'i' to install the temporary ./etc/network.subr >> Use 'm' to merge the temporary and installed versions >> Use 'v' to view the diff results again >> >> Default is to leave the temporary file to deal with by hand >> >> How should I deal with this? [Leave it for later] >> >> I never touched this file! Why it asks me to install the new one? > > You're probably having problems with the mtree database that mergemaster > uses for that. I think by default it's /var/db/mergemaster.mtree. > I also noticed that even with the -F flag, mergemaster still asks for files that only differs by CVS id, see : -##### $FreeBSD: src/etc/sendmail/freebsd.mc,v 1.37.2.2.2.1 2010/06/14 02:09:0 6 kensmith Exp $ ##### +##### $FreeBSD: src/etc/sendmail/freebsd.mc,v 1.37.2.2.4.1 2010/12/21 17:09:2 5 kensmith Exp $ ##### It's really painful.. -- David Demelier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 23 21:52:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7190E1065675 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:52:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (blue.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F26DF8FC17 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:52:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1NLqpL8097228; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:52:51 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Message-ID: <4D6581B3.6090101@qeng-ho.org> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:52:51 +0000 From: Arthur Chance User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101218 Thunderbird/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Tillman References: <1298158643.73477.1.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <764705.98740.qm@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <764705.98740.qm@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: How to forward old root mails to an external email address? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:52:53 -0000 On 02/23/11 19:32, Bill Tillman wrote: > The only problem with this is that unlike 10 years ago, today almost all ISP's > block anything coming down port 25 unless you have an account that allows your > e-mail server to work. And they of course charge for this. I used to enjoy my > own private e-mail server but these days if the ISP's don't charge you for it > they block it. Not true with my ISP (Zen in the UK). They block port 25 by default, but open it if you ask without any charge. They're more expensive than the usual prolefeed ISPs and presume competence from their customers. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 23 22:14:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654561065672 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 22:14:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E3F28FC0C for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 22:14:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 14251 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2011 22:14:44 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 23 Feb 2011 22:14:44 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 90C545082A; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:14:42 -0500 (EST) From: Lowell Gilbert To: David Demelier References: <4D5CCB72.20505@gmail.com> <44ei75xyn6.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <4D6580EC.8090007@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:14:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4D6580EC.8090007@gmail.com> (David Demelier's message of "Wed, 23 Feb 2011 22:49:32 +0100") Message-ID: <44mxlmtn3i.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mergemaster -U ask for a lot non-user modified files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 22:14:45 -0000 David Demelier writes: > I also noticed that even with the -F flag, mergemaster still asks for > files that only differs by CVS id, see : > > -##### $FreeBSD: src/etc/sendmail/freebsd.mc,v 1.37.2.2.2.1 > 2010/06/14 02:09:0 6 kensmith Exp $ ##### > +##### $FreeBSD: src/etc/sendmail/freebsd.mc,v 1.37.2.2.4.1 > 2010/12/21 17:09:2 5 kensmith Exp $ ##### Again, I think this is a local problem on your system. It certainly works on my system (RELENG_8, updated this week). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 23 22:16:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5527A106566C for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 22:16:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E48C8FC15 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 22:16:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 22643 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2011 22:16:16 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 23 Feb 2011 22:16:16 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 849A95082A; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:16:14 -0500 (EST) From: Lowell Gilbert To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1298158643.73477.1.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <764705.98740.qm@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:16:14 -0500 In-Reply-To: <764705.98740.qm@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> (Bill Tillman's message of "Wed, 23 Feb 2011 11:32:03 -0800 (PST)") Message-ID: <44ipwatn0x.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: How to forward old root mails to an external email address? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 22:16:18 -0000 Bill Tillman writes: > The only problem with this is that unlike 10 years ago, today almost all ISP's > block anything coming down port 25 unless you have an account that allows your > e-mail server to work. And they of course charge for this. I used to enjoy my > own private e-mail server but these days if the ISP's don't charge you for it > they block it. In this application, it's perfectly reasonable to get around that by port forwarding over ssh. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 01:20:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7488106564A for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 01:20:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from btillman99@yahoo.com) Received: from web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.85.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 756D98FC0A for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 01:20:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 19969 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Feb 2011 01:20:07 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1298510407; bh=QvfQtEYrTwwdTRpVhm5KAgIarHBwgfT6y9+98DGHXrA=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dp4onApx8avQvqiIFtrtKoXkZeS8t7GnS9C9QI4dRXQTfsaIOtv8mkxrNU+0dZ2/UB4DZ4utaDf7uMywcDqs2mFoHOIQ1/hjD3mh8hdWJqN6d+TgDcSongKZB3QXZxNAqLj2FX1gGkKBQDZFM39V8ogc38/7VprHVxwSH+FkThA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5qiadLDc7YleaGOzJI9nJJgrXer22w6sBwOXePr3KTEbo3o0KI0RuTizWas6h9iEjRcCt1U/MzCR4y2lVzZaA1V+2WAUG+lstwUUgRiLhF12lNU74S8KtTtIMC4Rsz+HXg8TA2uUK2vXKeovdnfI1SX9R7hxJUyX0BB2SsGgkGk=; Message-ID: <116272.11674.qm@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: eaKECcMVM1lAbj3UXsYouD9VqzOQaqmb0syt9iDbREs0Lti 3kMpcW4eu_YvXkjRIIkwwDaj67Yjipes7aH4AciK.L8vhI3O0KLZS2Ln6anp DGnySzB6jmBQKtxdqWo.cs0pMdLYqFlwVtab6UBLLZJBlQAm68Lgk1bRxggl _DIlqNnqqSZYBCMNRtu.SS2Q5fIERpBReaQaR213.NpTCKmig9OnJ9NVxZ0U H0DWh1HeIGU5tQ.jUkVdoZqBgIkqv4e3ZUcpFgvkz2HeUEzDzCqwZXZ9l.Tt lZ20DCfnlfS8D1DrilyZV5VsXaQS2s3PHbT_CI588lrtkaAk7 Received: from [98.242.233.74] by web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:20:07 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/555 YahooMailWebService/0.8.109.292656 References: <1298158643.73477.1.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <764705.98740.qm@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20110223224102.efb64d4c.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:20:07 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Tillman To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20110223224102.efb64d4c.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: How to forward old root mails to an external email address? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 01:20:08 -0000 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Polytropon =0ATo: Bill Tillman =0ACc: freebsd-question= s =0ASent: Wed, February 23, 2011 4:41:02 PM= =0ASubject: Re: How to forward old root mails to an external email address?= =0A=0AOn Wed, 23 Feb 2011 11:32:03 -0800 (PST), Bill Tillman =0Awrote:=0A> The only problem with this is that unlike 10 years a= go, today almost all ISP's =0A=0A> block anything coming down port 25 unles= s you have an account that allows your =0A=0A> e-mail server to work. And t= hey of course charge for this. I used to enjoy my =0A> own private e-mail s= erver but these days if the ISP's don't charge you for it =0A> they block i= t.=0A=0AThis is sadly true and possibly the result of spamming=0Atraditiona= lly coming from compromised home PCs. Some=0Aproviders offer you to use the= ir MX, so if you're using=0Asendmail as MTA, let it hand its messages to yo= ur ISP's=0AMX as a realy which will then identify by a "good IP".=0A=0AThis= can be configured in your sendmail's mc as follows:=0A=0A=A0=A0=A0 define(= `SMART_HOST', `mx.your.isp.blah')=0A=0ANote that most relays will only acce= pt messages coming=0Afrom the respective ISP's net, so when you try to use= =0Ait from a different ISP, it will deny your access.=0A=0A=0A-- =0APolytro= pon=0AMagdeburg, Germany=0AHappy FreeBSD user since 4.0=0AAndra moi ennepe,= Mousa, ...=0A_______________________________________________=0Afreebsd-que= stions@freebsd.org mailing list=0Ahttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo= /freebsd-questions=0ATo unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-un= subscribe@freebsd.org"=0A=0AYes, but in the good ol' USA it's all about the= money. They will not let me do =0Aanything like this unless I pay more to = upgrade my service. The wierd thing is =0Athat once in a blue moon my IP ad= dress will change. Then I can send e-mail for a =0Afew hours or even days. = but soon they will start blocking me saying that I have =0Abeen identified = as a spammer. But for a fee and a monthly reoccurring one at =0Athat, they = can fix the problem for me. Not like the old days in 1998.=0A=0A=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 06:05:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C837B106566B for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 06:05:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C368FC1A for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 06:05:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1O65JHH041868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 06:05:19 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p1O65JHH041868 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1298527520; bh=Sc8zSxc/cpTaDCoNRiHcOI4lGE9VxfYX1cHad9sv81s=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4D65F518.9020700@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20T hu,=2024=20Feb=202011=2006:05:12=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-US=3B=20r v:1.9.2.13)=20Gecko/20101207=20Thunderbird/3.1.7|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|CC:=20Lowell=20Gilbert=20,=20=0D=0A=20David=20Demeli er=20|Subject:=20Re:=20mergemaster=20-U= 20ask=20for=20a=20lot=20non-user=20modified=20files|References:=20 <4D5CCB72.20505@gmail.com>=20<44ei75xyn6.fsf@be-well.ilk.org>=09<4 D6580EC.8090007@gmail.com>=20<44mxlmtn3i.fsf@be-well.ilk.org>|In-R eply-To:=20<44mxlmtn3i.fsf@be-well.ilk.org>|X-Enigmail-Version:=20 1.1.1|OpenPGP:=20id=3D60AE908C|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B =20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signat ure"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig4EAAB632F79A22594C0D52 56"; b=SctUHABySeG8DTKVZOBPZhbvyA0jiv9ucoIudXH6rq+HtgWhrTNPI1Wo14VMrHLno /ASvzFyJWOsT8p5pqMwhJYNb7wdG5rprIQEy7asIAPP+0W17UlqnRvzMtooaMccyR2 Mqln9VeHxjI5m3AZ9OkslBHTAlb4PkIUvX1ZMC+8= Message-ID: <4D65F518.9020700@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 06:05:12 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D5CCB72.20505@gmail.com> <44ei75xyn6.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <4D6580EC.8090007@gmail.com> <44mxlmtn3i.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> In-Reply-To: <44mxlmtn3i.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig4EAAB632F79A22594C0D5256" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: David Demelier , Lowell Gilbert Subject: Re: mergemaster -U ask for a lot non-user modified files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 06:05:29 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig4EAAB632F79A22594C0D5256 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 23/02/2011 22:14, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > David Demelier writes: >=20 >> I also noticed that even with the -F flag, mergemaster still asks for >> files that only differs by CVS id, see : >> >> -##### $FreeBSD: src/etc/sendmail/freebsd.mc,v 1.37.2.2.2.1 >> 2010/06/14 02:09:0 6 kensmith Exp $ ##### >> +##### $FreeBSD: src/etc/sendmail/freebsd.mc,v 1.37.2.2.4.1 >> 2010/12/21 17:09:2 5 kensmith Exp $ ##### >=20 > Again, I think this is a local problem on your system. =20 > It certainly works on my system (RELENG_8, updated this week). mergemaster -U functionality depends on mergemaster having recorded an mtree database of what the contents of your /etc (and various other bits) looks like. The first time you run mergemaster with the -U flag, it's going to ask you about a lot of files -- but after that, it remembers and you only get asked about updating files you've previously modified. The recommendation for minimizing the amount of questions asked is: * the first time you run mergemaster, on a newly installed machine: mergemaster -UFi (This will involve quite a lot of user interaction) * for any subsequent updates: mergemaster -Ui (Which will be much more automated) The other handy tip is to make sure you don't delete the $FreeBSD$ tags from your fles, and that when the file is modified upstream, you merge in the new value for the tag. Doing this certainly works for me -- frequently the only file I get asked about is /etc/motd Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig4EAAB632F79A22594C0D5256 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1l9R8ACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxoRgCfYTtaTPq5Q+loRKm8a94w0Tag y7AAnRS7qODdMzOyolNXE/DKliFblmui =wreF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig4EAAB632F79A22594C0D5256-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 07:46:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 641C71065673; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 07:46:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from creddym@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 972738FC14; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 07:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb32 with SMTP id 32so297498wyb.13 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 23:46:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; bh=A7RHomDfeEen2UrxdzERCGyKKfgOXuT7iy+bvpdEBa8=; b=lMWKij+Py4aU8bWPGkDkrpmyJ3OvdhHm7XszCUEjpt7zpXQveDvmyeX8YAfSo8/J0S C7WVO14g2ZCo6L3E/jcNtr+HiGYJzGC+AhEpUQvTD8bDSMNzRLv8dlaeM/FYU1LRsreD c5ys4/o1fpjYsc+/NT5yJwPsrZQQt++wujrT8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=xifYm+hEUEgRMbZcf5Xjgkm/gXEnOdORULkMf6IUpD/C55DgTf7UmrYB2Wd9AX9MG4 agjxouFhj9VI5Emr87yPE1qZgHRe1BfGziGyYs71TwRU7fHurbu6RbQCyUnURKuCtDH8 /svMs9IF+sNh0A0bNsa6Q2/C7G4iOXeJXBGVE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.142.224 with SMTP id i74mr343926wej.83.1298531946834; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 23:19:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.78.147 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 23:19:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:49:06 +0530 Message-ID: From: chandra reddy To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-i386@freebsd.org Subject: Why FreeBSD fetch does not download a file via a proxy for HTTPS URLS (the same works fine for HTTP urls) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 07:46:29 -0000 Hi All, I am working on a project where i need to download a file via a proxy server using HTTPS protocol. I found that fetch does not work/support HTTPS requests over a proxy. My setup would be like this: Intranet Internet ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | https or http | https | Client m/cs -----------------------------> Porxy Server -------------------------------> Destination Server (or Download server) | | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I can use https or http protocol between Client and Proxy but only HTTPS is used between proxy and Destination server(or Download server) . I tried to use "squid" proxy as my proxy server and tried to download a file from my download server to Client m/c using FreeBSD "fetch" command. It fails to download a file via proxy for HTTPS requests Please note that Proxy setup is 100% correct and a web server (Apache) running fine. [I have tested it using my Mozilla browser on my PC]. I have done the following: 1. *Download a file using HTTPS over a proxy server* #env HTTP_PROXY=http://:3128/ /usr/sbin/fetch -v -o /tmp/download.out 'https:///index.htm' looking up connecting to:443 connection established fetch: https:///index.htm Authentication error Even I have tried this also and found the same error. #env HTTP_PROXY=https://:3128/ /usr/sbin/fetch -v -o /tmp/download.out 'https:///index.htm' My question is why it is not connected via "Proxy sever". It tries to connect directly. I could see that if I use HTTP protocol then it connects via proxy. Please see the logs here. 2. *Download a file using HTTP over a proxy server* #env HTTP_PROXY=http://:3128/ /usr/sbin/fetch -v -o /tmp/download.out 'http:///index.htm' looking up connecting to :3128 connection established requesting http://destination-server-ip/index.htm Even I have tried this also and found that works fine. #env HTTP_PROXY=https://:3128/ /usr/sbin/fetch -v -o /tmp/download.out 'http:///index.htm' I have debugged "fetch" and found that the following check is stopping HTTPS requests over a proxy. *http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/lib/libfetch/http.c .OR. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/lib/libfetch/http.c?annotate=1.78.2.5.4.1 * 1375: 1.58 des 1376: if (purl && strcasecmp(URL->scheme, SCHEME_HTTPS) != 0) { 1.51 des 1377: URL = purl; I could overcome the above problem if I do the following change. 1375: 1.58 des 1376: if (purl) { 1.51 des 1377: URL = purl; I want to know why HTTPS over proxy is not working with "libfetch". I want to make it work how can do it? Thanks -Chandra From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 09:03:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 814E91065673 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:03:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demelier.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0582D8FC0C for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:03:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so1008998bwz.13 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 01:02:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=2wUrZc42Z8ozqbCJ5mAtPW2PUzL63EoH135LIlkn7f0=; b=wUrH1SsQ0hH88ZkcYQHW2hiVyEZyX/qbWG1TmqUOeB9HfhDpXt6AfhsaztoZ9U5zyM XjHkS2uAJvIAyJuf29PhSXfqrBejJaS2X83WI/zJUJQ9kSoKAiDUOKSdlRgHfj1fKIfj j2nICyFajKHfmUO0PlEONQuWOUgLWYe4/ZUzA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=aUNTwlC87HQFwNuMg+pYqH3gZ4S3ylLIADM4oBcRTHuZnRy6Y6TkFqxh9LsFNpwJY9 xARnmkxze90SqXJ4xvcF6aYzGeBJ8207CQO7AqEARhTsrrGOdAXdbshJ+LBNIEk4vMgQ IPh9U1I3KdWuM5IxjqqMeYf5I/aRG3gDjBRUI= Received: by 10.204.22.1 with SMTP id l1mr468660bkb.22.1298538179669; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 01:02:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from Melon.malikania.fr (65.21.102-84.rev.gaoland.net [84.102.21.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b6sm1915400bkb.10.2011.02.24.01.02.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 01:02:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D661E9B.3040807@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 10:02:19 +0100 From: David Demelier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110125 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Seaman References: <4D5CCB72.20505@gmail.com> <44ei75xyn6.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <4D6580EC.8090007@gmail.com> <44mxlmtn3i.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <4D65F518.9020700@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4D65F518.9020700@infracaninophile.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Lowell Gilbert , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mergemaster -U ask for a lot non-user modified files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:03:01 -0000 On 24/02/2011 07:05, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 23/02/2011 22:14, Lowell Gilbert wrote: >> David Demelier writes: >> >>> I also noticed that even with the -F flag, mergemaster still asks for >>> files that only differs by CVS id, see : >>> >>> -##### $FreeBSD: src/etc/sendmail/freebsd.mc,v 1.37.2.2.2.1 >>> 2010/06/14 02:09:0 6 kensmith Exp $ ##### >>> +##### $FreeBSD: src/etc/sendmail/freebsd.mc,v 1.37.2.2.4.1 >>> 2010/12/21 17:09:2 5 kensmith Exp $ ##### >> >> Again, I think this is a local problem on your system. >> It certainly works on my system (RELENG_8, updated this week). > > mergemaster -U functionality depends on mergemaster having recorded an > mtree database of what the contents of your /etc (and various other > bits) looks like. The first time you run mergemaster with the -U flag, > it's going to ask you about a lot of files -- but after that, it > remembers and you only get asked about updating files you've previously > modified. > > The recommendation for minimizing the amount of questions asked is: > > * the first time you run mergemaster, on a newly installed machine: > > mergemaster -UFi > > (This will involve quite a lot of user interaction) > > * for any subsequent updates: > > mergemaster -Ui > > (Which will be much more automated) > > The other handy tip is to make sure you don't delete the $FreeBSD$ tags > from your fles, and that when the file is modified upstream, you merge > in the new value for the tag. > > Doing this certainly works for me -- frequently the only file I get > asked about is /etc/motd > > Cheers, > > Matthew > Yes that's true, now mergemaster do not ask me for any file except /etc/passwd, /etc/login.conf /etc/rc.conf and so on :) Thanks, cheers, -- David Demelier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 12:36:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B80CC106566C for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:36:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (blue.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BE998FC1C for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:36:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1OCaK94012000 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:36:20 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Message-ID: <4D6650C4.4040906@qeng-ho.org> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:36:20 +0000 From: Arthur Chance User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101218 Thunderbird/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Questions References: <4D5CCB72.20505@gmail.com> <44ei75xyn6.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <4D6580EC.8090007@gmail.com> <44mxlmtn3i.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <4D65F518.9020700@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4D65F518.9020700@infracaninophile.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: mergemaster -U ask for a lot non-user modified files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:36:22 -0000 On 02/24/11 06:05, Matthew Seaman wrote: [Snip mergemaster options discussion.] > > Doing this certainly works for me -- frequently the only file I get > asked about is /etc/motd And if you don't care about updating /etc/motd (the first line is automagically updated every boot anyway) add IGNORE_FILES='/etc/motd' to /etc/mergemaster.rc From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 14:31:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30847106566B for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:31:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sumi.techno@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE2B28FC0C for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:31:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so362059iwn.13 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 06:31:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=HUfLjaRRf/Fb7tMhBLxUvLKVNNH4jqPLLqTM6pwkWQc=; b=pdQfUiuuHg1WgTayRUB4E+bsL5/QajHTPJiQxZ8SBIyTjvpgvMZGu/f5MlCvXmRGJC VetraB8w8LGbm912ue9jDIrHSNxMrw9n4tRdEpnUiFGWI4HCLaRXsPrRVK3CTXql2FEy Mt4Hk3i16VR8LJtXXYKiedx4STtBHgjhAVevg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=AhRiqDDXLeGGUgIhXnOPu/w6nZ9NS/VB3iTHDLWz0P+JdKGe0LdeQAhAvtQFERXNcH CbGtkdAyPc9Zs+v/EODwLEUlAh3VeKm99fQHK4kk2O8r+4u4L/hirsXF/xCHfoTIwQr1 teaFQUcYgfah3UwfUjNOs2LAddU1A3zjwccyw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.16.68 with SMTP id n4mr1469234iba.94.1298556049048; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 06:00:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.160.131 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 06:00:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:30:49 +0530 Message-ID: From: nikitha To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Tuning routing table size in FreeBSD 8.0 and 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:31:55 -0000 Hi, Could you plz share the information on the maximum number of routes that can be added (by default) in FREEBSD 8.0/7.2 kernel? In Linux the sysctl rt_max_size is used. Is there a similar tunable parameter in freeBSD? Your earliest reply in this regard is much appreciated. Thanks for any inputs.. -Sumi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 14:52:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8346A106566B for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:52:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC948FC0C for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:52:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so1268800bwz.13 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 06:52:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.34.142 with SMTP id l14mr871506bkd.152.1298559120450; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 06:52:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z18sm715293bkf.20.2011.02.24.06.51.58 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 06:51:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D66708E.8060500@my.gd> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:51:58 +0100 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Tuning routing table size in FreeBSD 8.0 and 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:52:06 -0000 On 2/24/11 3:00 PM, nikitha wrote: > Hi, > Could you plz share the information on the maximum number of routes that can > be added (by default) in FREEBSD 8.0/7.2 kernel? > In Linux the sysctl rt_max_size is used. Is there a similar tunable > parameter in freeBSD? > > Your earliest reply in this regard is much appreciated. > > Thanks for any inputs.. > > -Sumi > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I could not find a sysctl that matched what you're looking for. AFAIK, the routing table is limited only by the amount of RAM you can allocate to it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 15:24:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357651065674 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:24:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF7C48FC14 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:24:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxl31 with SMTP id 31so365464yxl.13 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 07:24:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.148.1 with SMTP id a1mr1992790ybo.128.1298561043010; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 07:24:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-071-070-216-068.nc.res.rr.com [71.70.216.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g29sm5322yhh.36.2011.02.24.07.23.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 07:24:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9B4B0E54828 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 10:23:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 10:23:57 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110224102357.15af921c@scorpio> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: HAL's demise X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:24:06 -0000 Excerpt from freedesktop.org mailing list: Also, "is going away" is a bit of an understatement, it's really quite dead. GNOME switched over a year ago, KDE and XFCE finished the transition a couple of months back (see [1]). The major distros don't even install it by default any more, or at least switched hal to D-BUS activation so that it doesn't run all the time and cost extra boot time/CPU/battery power, and just gets started for the odd old program. The entire post is available here: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/hal/2011-February/013837.html Is FreeBSD now "HAL" free or is it still a requirement? I still have it activated via "/etc/rc.conf" If it is not needed, I would be happy to remove the entry. -- Jerry ✌ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ 10% of road accidents are due to drunken driving. Which means - it a logical statement that 90% of accidents are due to driving without drinking! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 15:47:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 754001065670 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:47:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost1.waddell.com (mailhost1.waddell.com [67.130.252.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FF8E8FC17 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emlpfilt2.waddell.com (emlpfilt2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost1.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EBF550D95; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:47:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from emlpfilt2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 409312F8003; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:47:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from ADVPHTCAS0.wradvisors.com (advphtcas0.wradvisors.com [192.168.203.228]) by emlpfilt2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A4722F8002; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:47:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from WADPMBXV0.waddell.com ([169.254.1.145]) by ADVPHTCAS0.wradvisors.com ([192.168.203.228]) with mapi; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:47:07 -0600 From: Gary Gatten To: 'nikitha' , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:47:06 -0600 Thread-Topic: Tuning routing table size in FreeBSD 8.0 and 7.2 Thread-Index: AcvUL53jSaeuuB9PQ6GSwiX08CzLUwAClJuw Message-ID: <24803_1298562428_4D667D7C_24803_66_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD354971@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Subject: RE: Tuning routing table size in FreeBSD 8.0 and 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:47:09 -0000 Sysctl -a lists "all" options. This MAY be what you want: net.inet.ip.rtmaxcache - Upper limit on dynamically learned routes http://people.freebsd.org/~hmp/utilities/satbl/sysctl-net.html HTH Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@f= reebsd.org] On Behalf Of nikitha Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:01 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Tuning routing table size in FreeBSD 8.0 and 7.2 Hi, Could you plz share the information on the maximum number of routes that can be added (by default) in FREEBSD 8.0/7.2 kernel? In Linux the sysctl rt_max_size is used. Is there a similar tunable parameter in freeBSD? Your earliest reply in this regard is much appreciated. Thanks for any inputs.. -Sumi _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
"This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 16:01:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D2C81065673 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:01:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D361F8FC1A for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:01:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1OG1BNH077091 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:01:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p1OG1BOa077088 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:01:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:01:11 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20110224102357.15af921c@scorpio> Message-ID: References: <20110224102357.15af921c@scorpio> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:01:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: HAL's demise X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:01:12 -0000 On Thu, 24 Feb 2011, Jerry wrote: > Is FreeBSD now "HAL" free or is it still a requirement? I still have it > activated via "/etc/rc.conf" If it is not needed, I would be happy to > remove the entry. It's not a requirement. You can build xorg-server without it, and there are other mechanisms available to provide at least some of the same functionality in FreeBSD. For example, using devd to detect hot-plugged USB devices. There isn't yet a complete replacement like Linux's udev, though. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 16:38:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DC17106566B for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:38:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexmiroslav@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 998EE8FC0C for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:38:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyg7 with SMTP id 7so282071eyg.13 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:38:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=1/uDKoLxG6JZxr2uPNvXBrpS2Jh+nB4v5nMNMKiwrPI=; b=n6GyV29kPGx2yP9hwYpa8ER63BNfsdVtWhsaGR2p0+sGuy9z41vRNEaugaRKkAv6tU LGSXr73XCIloYSJrYxSNGcAbHxHJX3S0e+OHQkmZjHeztfd9iOc+U4VmgzeNcOhxLH7w uOEdbs+Hp7GnIJdeOk5WeNRXtKwE+kNMjW6AQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=MhwAneaQFR00dX4c3FFFfpaNBIer4dXwgB5nKNqDO8ssoJH6aiW5IQDvuhU6BSIS2u hQW6l6LmDgjGOuLVxDc0Nbdrd/tmpPqZi+NYtZwEAv5Bt2m0vXZgvW0xyDBarJcYeeGU 7iJAxk/9bRKhYyXPXnS7LXJED67C5P5amRI3k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.9.130 with SMTP id l2mr812270ebl.84.1298563794557; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:09:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.4.71 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:09:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:09:54 -0500 Message-ID: From: Aleksandr Miroslav To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: upgrading apr from v0 to v1 via portupgrade? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:38:53 -0000 I recently moved my server to a new box and in the process of doing that, I upgraded from FreeBSD 7.3 to 8.1. When I say I moved, I mean I backed up all my personal data (databases, config values, etc.), made a list of all packages, and installed an identical box with the same pacakges. Recently I noticed that somehow I am on apr-0.9.19.0.9.19. On my old box, I was on apr-ipv6-devrandom-gdbm-db47-1.4.2.1.3.10. I didn't make that choice deliberarely, somehow when I installed all the pacakges, apr-0 was installed instead of apr-1. Normally I wouldn't care, but apr-0 has had an unpatched security advisory for a few weeks now, so I would like to upgrade all my packages that use apr-0 to apr-1. I use portupgrade, how can I do this? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 16:42:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92289106566B for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:42:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass@gmx.com) Received: from mailout-eu.gmx.com (mailout-eu.gmx.com [213.165.64.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DBC0F8FC13 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:42:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 24 Feb 2011 16:42:07 -0000 Received: from adsl-248.91.140.49.tellas.gr (EHLO [192.168.73.192]) [91.140.49.248] by mail.gmx.com (mp-eu004) with SMTP; 24 Feb 2011 17:42:07 +0100 X-Authenticated: #46156728 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+EFsF0CsGEvkan1qGrVdhQuOSVBtXwNiSiqzL5IB k0okgu4AkmSkbB Message-ID: <4D668A55.6060002@gmx.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 18:41:57 +0200 From: Nikos Vassiliadis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nikitha References: <4D66708E.8060500@my.gd> In-Reply-To: <4D66708E.8060500@my.gd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: Damien Fleuriot , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tuning routing table size in FreeBSD 8.0 and 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:42:09 -0000 On 2/24/2011 4:51 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > On 2/24/11 3:00 PM, nikitha wrote: >> Hi, >> Could you plz share the information on the maximum number of routes that can >> be added (by default) in FREEBSD 8.0/7.2 kernel? >> In Linux the sysctl rt_max_size is used. Is there a similar tunable >> parameter in freeBSD? [snip] > > I could not find a sysctl that matched what you're looking for. > > AFAIK, the routing table is limited only by the amount of RAM you can > allocate to it. Yes. You can use "vmstat -z | grep rtentry" to examine it. It seems trivial to add a limit there(without having thought of multiple routing tables and vnet). Out of curiosity, why would you want such a limit? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 16:56:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 507641065670 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:56:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9D6B8FC08 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:56:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm19 with SMTP id 19so819556fxm.13 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:56:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=UD9sk7/o2iHiKSJ5POk2aM8WZ4+1qjF4MqsnPTSU3j0=; b=aYaxTK02nD1VIC8iI/Y+vIR65EeTtn6z+mgHlryFEMphD7gMfPMWA/83SUvVF7NtwN WVIAon8AZya8R1R0ypeZEM87uvdJPiXoaOvY+CxGwYC1gO9wS2cuXeXHXocdmiBwVaQT lVuS9obBghhG0HFXB7JObBIX3hne6qjpncwFY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=FfmP8gh4Gp0+mZBYNwoQcGQptKvH4MqSe+DnDDJkwwVOyqsZDJ+Ia8qHjPYcLsKwWr YruL9GhxzutapWs57fkLYrU2OWqr5/ydccCtE/7kPQGDBMgxZgWBhdx5FPSpN/35MVcm 4tsdyx5D5pK9VUoq12/MaZElj3HBWNzr/+TzE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.79.11 with SMTP id n11mr1320575fak.69.1298566413581; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:53:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.103.4 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:53:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:53:33 -0500 Message-ID: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: Aleksandr Miroslav Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: upgrading apr from v0 to v1 via portupgrade? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:56:21 -0000 On 24 February 2011 11:09, Aleksandr Miroslav wrote: > I recently moved my server to a new box and in the process of doing > that, I upgraded from FreeBSD 7.3 to 8.1. > > When I say I moved, I mean I backed up all my personal data (databases, > config values, etc.), made a list of all packages, and installed an > identical box with the same pacakges. > > Recently I noticed that somehow I am on apr-0.9.19.0.9.19. On my old > box, I was on apr-ipv6-devrandom-gdbm-db47-1.4.2.1.3.10. > > I didn't make that choice deliberarely, somehow when I installed all the > pacakges, apr-0 was installed instead of apr-1. > > Normally I wouldn't care, but apr-0 has had an unpatched security > advisory for a few weeks now, so I would like to upgrade all my packages > that use apr-0 to apr-1. > > I use portupgrade, how can I do this? The general (untested) notion would be: portupgrade -o devel/apr1 apr-0 & then portupgrade -frx apr apr (which hopefully will rebuild everything depending upon apr without rebuilding apr twice) -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 19:17:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A938106566C for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:17:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 187888FC13 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:17:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyg7 with SMTP id 7so369677eyg.13 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:17:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.47.193 with SMTP id t41mr1142288eeb.21.1298575037624; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:17:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.119.1 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:17:17 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [64.81.163.112] In-Reply-To: <116272.11674.qm@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1298158643.73477.1.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <764705.98740.qm@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20110223224102.efb64d4c.freebsd@edvax.de> <116272.11674.qm@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:17:17 -0800 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: How to forward old root mails to an external email address? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:17:19 -0000 On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Bill Tillman wrote: > Yes, but in the good ol' USA it's all about the money. They will not let me do > anything like this unless I pay more to upgrade my service. The wierd thing is > that once in a blue moon my IP address will change. Then I can send e-mail for a > few hours or even days. but soon they will start blocking me saying that I have > been identified as a spammer. But for a fee and a monthly reoccurring one at > that, they can fix the problem for me. Not like the old days in 1998. I've always had success using the ISP's email smarthost for outgoing mail, to get around that. They sometimes require authentication, though, which can be tricky to configure in some MTAs. I think Comcast requires you to authenticate to their smarthost, for example. Speakeasy (my current ISP) doesn't block ports, but a lot of Internet sites reject mail from IP ranges they identify as DSL or cable modem blocks, so I send through the smarthost anyway. Now, a more difficult problem is that some ISPs block *incoming* port 25, but that's a different discussion. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 19:37:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23ECF106564A for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:37:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sumi.techno@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0D78FC08 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:37:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyj12 with SMTP id 12so538271iyj.13 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:37:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=I5W9OCDqje+TBSZ55iwnwVs15UQoDmu9pKQ4/XOP8hc=; b=f8hPndrwdrZCnvI7aHQ7s7AuNtjS9/7xczcvPO+3/m+/gYVdTJmaBawZZtn2W5LhyL dwkioCfoKMyGfchoR6yNFKaQ05iscZio35zTraiOlhdTYMvVefPuaw2zCo8G75zxw6oz 7Q9mSoZ4Ued8MoInASW2agkGi/q8DW1qOKIwc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=ipYDfHzBXHdpb2gCkMq5uTGeaGaKE2R5Gw3LwcvqimpUosR6PNNi3VIXCnYsQ4Og/1 9zB4JenxN0lmCPk48+CKfZq4ayXw2afXXQHf7cFDHznnadBnIiPzkWW2UhbnzIn7P7b3 ECLgUVVV8Q0fc7yLoWo0nP8Lg/S3sFqpIX/I4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.36.12 with SMTP id r12mr2023186ibd.69.1298576260050; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:37:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.160.131 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:37:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4D668A55.6060002@gmx.com> References: <4D66708E.8060500@my.gd> <4D668A55.6060002@gmx.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:07:39 +0530 Message-ID: From: nikitha To: Nikos Vassiliadis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Damien Fleuriot , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tuning routing table size in FreeBSD 8.0 and 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:37:41 -0000 Thank you all, for your timely reply.. To answer Niko's question: Just i'm doing some performance/stress testing of a freebsd router.. :-) -Sumi On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: > On 2/24/2011 4:51 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > >> On 2/24/11 3:00 PM, nikitha wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> Could you plz share the information on the maximum number of routes that >>> can >>> be added (by default) in FREEBSD 8.0/7.2 kernel? >>> In Linux the sysctl rt_max_size is used. Is there a similar tunable >>> parameter in freeBSD? >>> >> [snip] > > >> I could not find a sysctl that matched what you're looking for. >> >> AFAIK, the routing table is limited only by the amount of RAM you can >> allocate to it. >> > > Yes. You can use "vmstat -z | grep rtentry" to examine it. > It seems trivial to add a limit there(without having thought of > multiple routing tables and vnet). > > Out of curiosity, why would you want such a limit? > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 20:02:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 385C910656C2 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:02:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edwinlculp@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E61B78FC19 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:02:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxc34 with SMTP id 34so894290vxc.13 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:02:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HKkpQHNOzG3Xa0FIYuSfKJ4VjPS1N9M5qW/r34EIdtw=; b=xZtnlFH9f/Tg9XpkmEuay4e6AIQ7lgkOwViG9KpMxqMNjnOsb1Vh52r/qr/1Xt8WBK YnXsuU2xAobm30rrKmlBRF3Xd98kELV8t45y64+1CInVPEpVUW1Uq5pYBFG3B4vuYhhD SiqVXEUrvuLJH5u9wq3iFU9o7vIDgyBatM8Is= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=lwuKBWsdpjZHvkWDhDMQhF0Bo+T63D7/JsmGYWFNDph9u7oJ1gA01Oy65vbdMLcZEA bEtKlETrD6WTg8C6wflC19yRICoNwIOzf7F4Dt3dtJOZwjw8gX09vDp0SFp1bhnCF8mq OXiVgeyX/uLeOE0UypqNCu22kxDM0Mn+bkUKI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.161.225 with SMTP id xv1mr2307615vdb.189.1298576060275; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:34:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.200.137 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:34:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20110224102357.15af921c@scorpio> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:34:19 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Edwin L. Culp W." To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: HAL's demise X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:02:14 -0000 2011/2/24 Warren Block : > On Thu, 24 Feb 2011, Jerry wrote: > >> Is FreeBSD now "HAL" free or is it still a requirement? I still have it >> activated via "/etc/rc.conf" If it is not needed, I would be happy to >> remove the entry. > > It's not a requirement. =A0You can build xorg-server without it, and ther= e are > other mechanisms available to provide at least some of the same > functionality in FreeBSD. =A0For example, using devd to detect hot-plugge= d USB > devices. =A0There isn't yet a complete replacement like Linux's udev, tho= ugh. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > Sounded like a good idea to me but ;) pkg_deinstall hal-0.5.14_12 ---> Deinstalling 'hal-0.5.14_12' pkg_delete: package 'hal-0.5.14_12' is required by these other packages and may not be deinstalled: k3b-2.0.2 kdeaccessibility-4.5.5 kdeadmin-4.5.5 kdeartwork-4.5.5 kdebase-4.5.5 kdebase-runtime-4.5.5 kdebase-workspace-4.5.5 kdeedu-4.5.5 kdegames-4.5.5 kdegraphics-4.5.5 kdelibs-4.5.5 kdemultimedia-4.5.5 kdenetwork-4.5.5_1 kdepim-4.4.9_1 kdepim-runtime-4.4.9 kdepimlibs-4.5.5_1 kdeplasma-addons-4.5.5 kdesdk-4.5.5 kdetoys-4.5.5 kdeutils-4.5.5_1 kdeutils-printer-applet-4.5.5 kwebkitpart-0.9.6.b1_1 libktorrent-1.0.5 marble-4.5.5 py26-kdebindings-kde-4.5.5 py26-kdebindings-pykdeuic4-4.5.5 system-config-printer-kde-4.5.5 ** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed) ! hal-0.5.14_12 (pkg_delete failed) On up to date current. FreeBSD home.encontacto.net 9.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT #168: Wed Feb 16 05:30:19 CST 2011 root@home.encontacto.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ENCONTACTO i386 Just a FYI even though I'n not a big fan of Ha From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 20:05:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8E2106566B for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:05:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E59B08FC0A for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:05:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.96]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6FC5916B4D6 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:05:46 -0600 (CST) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:04:47 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:04:46 -0600 (CST) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@debranded.6dollardialup.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110224200430.Y1295@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: 8.1-p2 uart appears hopelessly broken X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:05:49 -0000 Through the years I have become accustomed to having to have a hardware modem. 7.2 sio correctly identifies my modem as a 3-COM PCI FAX/MODEM and correct identifies the chip as 16550A. In 8.1 uart calls the same device an unstandard ns8250 uart. Nonetheless, tun0 can fireup at boot. But it is never possible to bring it back up on demand after it times out. This is pretty much my definition of hopelessly broken behavior and I cannot find a word of warning in the documentation. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 20:09:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E786106566C for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:09:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edflecko@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE56B8FC1D for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:09:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyj12 with SMTP id 12so556312iyj.13 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:09:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=FhiIqR1Bw5cr9Yne4JuMUR88sQxqFZprzCEPj89debY=; b=I1lDHzoFqyW75g+E3QgakTL8kpSZV0TO+lfLywjm/E/J+fViiLsRGCVx0G6nApOo20 Lf2s8u2ysES3TcHAdsDxyBIZbnyP3F/9zOdYXn7Tv7L4XQErfeQwkAsMaIuNchLRIzGd 4ub9VABG5syXeajEy3hfBJ0srWKNaWgpMA99g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=WtiEO/G9EtUOHkc7dgBoG03SfZeLuWUscOwgjL3DbWhF10I8LFLMn8a8IG7nMcXRtY c3SSag0b9P2uQUo+mCdwb8gnG6u5Z96B4YWeyD3RKfqLjksppLwi2UQnt2qoNupX1fZD g92PTP/HvHAoTpma/m78ulsidUPGCTT5+JsfY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.36.198 with SMTP id u6mr2070904ibd.100.1298578144267; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:09:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.213.169 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:09:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:09:04 -0800 Message-ID: From: Ed Flecko To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: How to push privoxy traffic through squid? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:09:05 -0000 Hi folks, I have squid installed and working fine using its default settings; if I set my browser proxy to the server address:3128 , everything works fine. I've edited the Privoxy config file and commented out: debug 1 # Log the destination for each request Privoxy let through. debug 1024 # Log the destination for requests Privoxy didn't let through, and the reason why. debug 4096 # Startup banner and warnings debug 8192 # Non-fatal errors and I've added: listen-address 127.0.0.1:8118 and forward / 127.0.0.1:3128 to try and push the content through squid...but it doesn't work. When I change my browser proxy settings to server address:8118 I can't reach the internet. I managed to make this work once before...but darned if I can remember how I did it! Suggestions??? Thank you, Ed From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 20:10:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F765106566B for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:10:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4FA98FC13 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:10:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PshVl-0004AF-8L for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:10:05 +0100 Received: from static-87-79-237-121.netcologne.de ([87.79.237.121]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:10:05 +0100 Received: from tg by static-87-79-237-121.netcologne.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:10:05 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Thorsten Glaser Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:06:26 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <4D61599E.4040008@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 87.79.237.121 (Opera/9.27 (X11; MirBSD i386; U; en)) Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:10:07 -0000 Andres Perera zoho.com> writes: > > Nowadays all shells supports $() so I advise you to use it :). > > no, not all shells support $() They do, it’s mandated by POSIX. There’s no reason to support the accidentally non-combining accent gravis (so-called “backtickâ€Â¹) any more, unless you specifically target Solaris 10 and below’s /bin/sh (which always had a ksh and /usr/xpg4/bin/sh which both are POSIX compatible), or, worse, the Bourne shell (you know, the one where you wrote ^ instead of | for pipes). Warren Block wonkity.com> writes: > Still: aren't backticks and $() supposed to be equivalent? Nope. The so-called backtick is deprecated, doesn’t support nesting, and quoting (`…"…"…`) is Undefined, both with or without backslashes in front of the (inner) double quotes. And there may be more. â‘  http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/apostrophe.html explains quite well why a “backtick†doesn’t exist and the accident behind this ASCII character / codepoint. In short: never use it period. bye, //mirabilos -- FWIW, I'm quite impressed with mksh interactively. I thought it was much *much* more bare bones. But it turns out it beats the living hell out of ksh93 in that respect. I'd even consider it for my daily use if I hadn't wasted half my life on my zsh setup. :-) -- Frank Terbeck in #!/bin/mksh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 20:17:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27B23106566B for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:17:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D05158FC08 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:17:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pshd5-0008Tt-NZ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:17:39 +0100 Received: from static-87-79-237-121.netcologne.de ([87.79.237.121]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:17:39 +0100 Received: from tg by static-87-79-237-121.netcologne.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:17:39 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Thorsten Glaser Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:17:21 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <20110219233736.GA20393@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 87.79.237.121 (Opera/9.27 (X11; MirBSD i386; U; en)) Subject: Re: variable line-display pager? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:17:43 -0000 Gary Kline thought.org> writes: > For instance, say that my xterm/console/"Konsole" is 80x53 lines. > My text file is around 200 lines long and I want to use more or less > or some GUI pager to display only 15 lines at one time. Tapping the > space bar would display another 15 lines and so on until EOF. Is mksh-current from CVS comes with a shell function called “smores†which implements “something like†more(1) in (Korn) Shell. You’ll need to press Return though, not Space, to go on. If you replace the word LINES with 15 you get the behaviour you want. The source is here (just look for “smoresâ€): https://www.mirbsd.org/cvs.cgi/src/bin/mksh/dot.mkshrc?rev=HEAD If your mksh is “too oldâ€, you’ll need to replace llen=${%line} (( llen == -1 )) && llen=${#line} with llen=${#line} (since “${%foo} = width of $foo in screen columns†got added only recently, but “${#foo} = size of $foo in octets†has been there for a while) Note that, if you run smores as shell function, it’s aware of whether your current locale is UTF-8 or not (use “set -U†to enable UTF-8 mode, “set +U†to disable it, if you don’t want that). This, again, only affects ${%line} calculation. HTH & HAND, //mirabilos -- Yay for having to rewrite other people's Bash scripts because bash suddenly stopped supporting the bash extensions they make use of -- Tonnerre Lombard in #nosec From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 20:21:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 581D110656C6 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:21:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 839273@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D1628FC1D for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:21:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyh4 with SMTP id 4so487295gyh.13 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:21:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=DI5yheg+FOiNqx7EgW31M2bPBHFYirTxjuVJ55r8/Rs=; b=c1hOPQkxLzDAOWbWsHe2mfWbuXoXSa/fYpV10IVxGB1IJBHdQbGSV65at+YcKxFdWJ FDnXYkqrY28Fy7H/PWfiB7BA/1cFGuUJNYCS+/r8odEUYXYrf4U3eejVJv1I8qNAdRYs tIofx4+S8XY378Yx1c779spNmaIoVvBUHg6dY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=FPJXluFhMQMNvzM6+DAljjU5OXSdgLZf+ibNp3PmO7EijVD9jPDvEDyTHnBLg+iN5Y JKmemO0IYdunqvz9y9e5i/Y8Fz/+c/p0TxjAzIYxBRau8cWn0FDQ2lIaOEBVaBrQM5Kf gFMvk4ZNL8BtJisg5vDx2zFdOsGVq5lzK44Bo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.215.2 with SMTP id n2mr2412327ybg.353.1298578907886; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:21:47 -0800 (PST) Sender: 839273@gmail.com Received: by 10.150.215.21 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:21:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4D61599E.4040008@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:51:47 -0430 X-Google-Sender-Auth: BIov2anCzrWSmFsBOgw0AYUYw8U Message-ID: From: Andres Perera To: Thorsten Glaser Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: 839273@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:21:49 -0000 On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Andres Perera zoho.com> writes: > >> > Nowadays all shells supports $() so I advise you to use it :). >> >> no, not all shells support $() > > They do, it=E2=80=99s mandated by POSIX. There=E2=80=99s no reason to sup= port the > accidentally non-combining accent gravis (so-called =E2=80=9Cbacktick=E2= =80=9D=C2=B9) > any more, unless you specifically target Solaris 10 and below=E2=80=99s > /bin/sh (which always had a ksh and /usr/xpg4/bin/sh which both > are POSIX compatible), or, worse, the Bourne shell (you know, the > one where you wrote ^ instead of | for pipes). "mandated by posix" and reality usually aren't in sync, as i'm sure you kno= w by now since you pointed out solaris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 20:30:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28B95106564A for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:30:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfarmer@predatorlabs.net) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB37A8FC21 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:30:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwb31 with SMTP id 31so1255004wwb.31 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:30:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=predatorlabs.net; s=google; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=OibxW/acABBc846WrFUmMKaSvMej1xN38ejTjgjqvSo=; b=if7GDk21SBD5/YdEjWHQ/OpDy22z2AaLd3nZF6hsS7uwmOwMQd9D8+XkQfriitClcI L6P49b2xBrBryyMx/A6BWXymfNgDF4a5EzT3P75MX1fHKLYyMFeCzBFVZ9yGNvxy4gNQ S+EYL00bH4RcX1j8aa1z/kaqI8cSJub9zPN5Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=predatorlabs.net; s=google; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=P08rtBydR5MoBj7++YxQw/CGywB9ThfQD/5a92lATURco0qbjoB7YW+ES0FZeh5CKC 4xJj9mzipabRUr94ZOw8q46Cl0Pc+iUoOARTSF+YJhlgbdIhYo3lz49/f1o1RLSKZWev NSuK8qFmFs+yr76UVDnx/UTYF8nuoG7nZtUW0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.30.137 with SMTP id k9mr1269971wea.31.1298579416831; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:30:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.157.139 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:30:16 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.133.23] In-Reply-To: References: <20110224102357.15af921c@scorpio> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:30:16 -0800 Message-ID: From: Rob Farmer To: "Edwin L. Culp W." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: HAL's demise X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:30:18 -0000 On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Edwin L. Culp W. w= rote: > Sounded like a good idea to me but ;) > > pkg_deinstall hal-0.5.14_12 > ---> =A0Deinstalling 'hal-0.5.14_12' > pkg_delete: package 'hal-0.5.14_12' is required by these other packages That list is recursive - kdelibs4 depends on hal, then other stuff depends on it. If it could be configured to work without hal, most likely the rest of the list would be just fine. --=20 Rob Farmer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 20:51:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10E841065670 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:51:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9DE98FC19 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:51:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PsiA4-0008P1-82 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:51:44 +0100 Received: from static-87-79-237-121.netcologne.de ([87.79.237.121]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:51:44 +0100 Received: from tg by static-87-79-237-121.netcologne.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:51:44 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Thorsten Glaser Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:51:32 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <4D61599E.4040008@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 87.79.237.121 (Opera/9.27 (X11; MirBSD i386; U; en)) Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:51:46 -0000 Andres Perera zoho.com> writes: > "mandated by posix" and reality usually aren't in sync, as i'm sure you know by In this case, closely enough. > now since you pointed out solaris It’s just /bin/sh on long outdated versions (newer ones, both from Horracle and not, have AT&T ksh93 there instead). No need to use it, anyway. sh scripts can usually depend on a POSIX shell (and it’s sensible to do so). Some operating environments have guaranteed that (MirBSD even guarantees mksh but Debian Policy §10.4 explicitly states POSIX plus a few extensions). And AFAIK all FreeBSD® shells have it. bye, //mirabilos -- “It is inappropriate to require that a time represented as seconds since the Epoch precisely represent the number of seconds between the referenced time and the Epoch.†-- IEEE Std 1003.1b-1993 (POSIX) Section B.2.2.2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 20:57:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A08DF1065672 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:57:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edflecko@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A7A88FC19 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:57:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so602479iwn.13 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:57:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=KhQwr9oapQZWloOevFQsH/8oMmgk3HlmlV28tnuGO2c=; b=ZYnLYQccYEfmnUvSVmCV9p20dMOxdSZvaumXTHE1xXWqQ1ryHsyap8movkQD51qX0U j/nwdgdkJ6bVM2rhjgiIHA19j9NbS72izwc7nEvtZYNcIT0kBn1MFRlJ7PGkPFuHcXSh GhpyYmpDYTr1ayIOF0Mjrudr6/KjHxnAg8/38= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=XYBaQ/ufNpsZgM4lm+7eFyFq0bymw9miKEycIPR6DeplZn49SCzJlBiNG53HVHXNKE BRbZALZpp96LmXss8f2hogJaYnb4/vXR6pzAyFQDU8eRhWBegEFecrH5nIppuWgzSbqh PSoAaDyo7Jq6XPv1KvCSMTrnWLcXfURc7o9/A= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.35.1 with SMTP id n1mr2194350ibd.0.1298581041806; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:57:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.213.169 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:57:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4D66C2C9.60306@boun.edu.tr> References: <4D66C2C9.60306@boun.edu.tr> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:57:21 -0800 Message-ID: From: Ed Flecko To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: How to push privoxy traffic through squid? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:57:22 -0000 Thanks Berk, Nope...no dice, that won't work either. More suggestions??? :-) Ed From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 20:59:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BCE91065696 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:59:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gulenler@boun.edu.tr) Received: from ispinoz.cc.boun.edu.tr (ispinoz.cc.boun.edu.tr [193.140.192.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 311EC8FC17 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.0.10] (unknown [88.245.167.132]) (Authenticated sender: gulenler) by ispinoz.cc.boun.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C2D5266C88C; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:42:54 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <4D66C2C9.60306@boun.edu.tr> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:42:49 +0200 From: Berk Gulenler Organization: Bogazici University Computer Center User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ed Flecko References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to push privoxy traffic through squid? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: gulenler@boun.edu.tr List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:59:21 -0000 On 02/24/2011 10:09 PM, Ed Flecko wrote: > Hi folks, > I have squid installed and working fine using its default settings; if > I set my browser proxy to the server address:3128 , everything works > fine. > > I've edited the Privoxy config file and commented out: > > debug 1 # Log the destination for each request Privoxy let through. > debug 1024 # Log the destination for requests Privoxy didn't let > through, and the reason why. > debug 4096 # Startup banner and warnings > debug 8192 # Non-fatal errors > > and I've added: > > listen-address 127.0.0.1:8118 > > and > > forward / 127.0.0.1:3128 Try this: forward / :3128 > > to try and push the content through squid...but it doesn't work. When > I change my browser proxy settings to server address:8118 I can't > reach the internet. > > I managed to make this work once before...but darned if I can remember > how I did it! > > Suggestions??? > > Thank you, > Ed > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 20:59:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE941065697 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:59:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gulenler@boun.edu.tr) Received: from ispinoz.cc.boun.edu.tr (ispinoz.cc.boun.edu.tr [193.140.192.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 313118FC1A for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.0.10] (unknown [88.245.167.132]) (Authenticated sender: gulenler) by ispinoz.cc.boun.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A4ED366C8A5; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:49:53 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <4D66C471.9010208@boun.edu.tr> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:49:53 +0200 From: Berk Gulenler Organization: Bogazici University Computer Center User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ed Flecko References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to push privoxy traffic through squid? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: gulenler@boun.edu.tr List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:59:21 -0000 On 02/24/2011 10:09 PM, Ed Flecko wrote: > Hi folks, > I have squid installed and working fine using its default settings; if > I set my browser proxy to the server address:3128 , everything works > fine. > > I've edited the Privoxy config file and commented out: > > debug 1 # Log the destination for each request Privoxy let through. > debug 1024 # Log the destination for requests Privoxy didn't let > through, and the reason why. > debug 4096 # Startup banner and warnings > debug 8192 # Non-fatal errors > > and I've added: > > listen-address 127.0.0.1:8118 and also update the line above like this: listen-address 0.0.0.0:8118 > > and > > forward / 127.0.0.1:3128 > > to try and push the content through squid...but it doesn't work. When > I change my browser proxy settings to server address:8118 I can't > reach the internet. > > I managed to make this work once before...but darned if I can remember > how I did it! > > Suggestions??? > > Thank you, > Ed > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 21:00:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8097C10656A5 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:00:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11BE58FC19 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:00:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwb31 with SMTP id 31so1296152wwb.31 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:00:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=K/WM/gYmx/FbrG06fpMYG0BBKiQceq/85LxIYmztCJ8=; b=sObzo04Rve1U6hr88EEJHd+TrBIYL2gHV0rqo7ISJm4tzpzcke/mNwZ1KQVtxxDnQJ tv1JZZP2lotxUPTr+ZuuHPaTpRjOOPvR9BCVC3908rOmJTMSNbw22h9+2C9q9k0B6k3P Vd/KYZX5o7NGbw8bnERybj9D9btyJbyL8a3ew= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kDY809obVHlnzVBsRdo9Qy67ce5X2put9bNju76AYtI0KTxf4qA21hsGzQn/B9afRy ewTKOD/KiUt+kBbL1jc0kcva3P+R4iH+TYmPb9FrCzJ9NMUIzKD5nup7CuB0KVZ8vXUM AiZUMhD968ZvRtOlxxMBGNXBgrkmtmM6GhS1c= Received: by 10.216.142.92 with SMTP id h70mr1219948wej.72.1298581257920; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:00:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a50sm1869963wer.18.2011.02.24.13.00.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:00:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:00:46 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110224210046.07609ed8@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: How to push privoxy traffic through squid? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:00:59 -0000 On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:09:04 -0800 Ed Flecko wrote: > Hi folks, > I have squid installed and working fine using its default settings; if > I set my browser proxy to the server address:3128 , everything works > fine. > ... > and I've added: > > listen-address 127.0.0.1:8118 > > and > > forward / 127.0.0.1:3128 > > to try and push the content through squid...but it doesn't work. When > I change my browser proxy settings to server address:8118 I can't > reach the internet. I've not used privoxy, but I would have expected it to be the other way around. You connect to squid and squid goes through privoxy. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 21:02:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A82901065694 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:02:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfarmer@predatorlabs.net) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 394FB8FC20 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:02:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwb31 with SMTP id 31so1298306wwb.31 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:02:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=predatorlabs.net; s=google; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6lOuwYcqy7XQ6TAe5ibNV5OlMKh/SU9FbcUqJZtuhBg=; b=AemdnbPS/KBP/7eMMMmBiFBgz0gYOGtD1dYSB7PS0jhKqvA//TxZmHxftyVhQ5/9cA pTCkfSJzGlYeClg1TaFLtzE59teGtq3JGZD6U7S/o+802TxMmMuRMwLC5jRetiJooNcb 1SLVzwM/dT1KRJXITqooeLIYIRvENq3U280/o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=predatorlabs.net; s=google; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=RjxZhomKHJmQI4TYXg3itqxWqlYsr6RwWZmapj8kxpFGtUQ1wfS3DYYBatU4QZDfvq DGMbBhf0b44zIxAOv4Ia3X1tkvN2aRobcL0DX257lva2hSld/RWwo8ThjCS3Z0krJ16p dG65RosbS5oU6PTVnVUxZqNyQHbNmNzkpLl7k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.185.142 with SMTP id u14mr6344715wem.31.1298581342726; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:02:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.157.139 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:02:22 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.133.23] In-Reply-To: References: <4D61599E.4040008@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:02:22 -0800 Message-ID: From: Rob Farmer To: Thorsten Glaser Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:02:24 -0000 On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Andres Perera zoho.com> writes: > >> "mandated by posix" and reality usually aren't in sync, as i'm sure you = know > by > > In this case, closely enough. > >> now since you pointed out solaris > > It=92s just /bin/sh on long outdated versions (newer ones, both > from Horracle and not, have AT&T ksh93 there instead). No need > to use it, anyway. sh scripts can usually depend on a POSIX > shell (and it=92s sensible to do so). Some operating environments > have guaranteed that (MirBSD even guarantees mksh but Debian > Policy =A710.4 explicitly states POSIX plus a few extensions). > > And AFAIK all FreeBSD=AE shells have it. Have you used the default FreeBSD shell (tcsh) recently? [rfarmer@sapphire] ~> echo $(date ) Illegal variable name. [rfarmer@sapphire] ~> echo `date` Thu Feb 24 12:59:00 PST 2011 [rfarmer@sapphire] ~> uname -a FreeBSD sapphire.predatorlabs.net 9.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT #0 r218838: Sat Feb 19 03:39:34 PST 2011 rfarmer@sapphire.predatorlabs.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SAPPHIRE amd64 And I read the article you posted - basically it seemed to say "some keyboards are screwed up, so rather than fix them would everyone stop using this character please." I have a good feeling what the success rate of that will be. --=20 Rob Farmer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 21:06:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D60411065679 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:06:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 868EC8FC1C for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:06:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PsiNy-0007dG-9E for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:06:06 +0100 Received: from static-87-79-237-121.netcologne.de ([87.79.237.121]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:06:06 +0100 Received: from tg by static-87-79-237-121.netcologne.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:06:06 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Thorsten Glaser Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:05:55 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <4D61599E.4040008@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 87.79.237.121 (Opera/9.27 (X11; MirBSD i386; U; en)) Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:06:07 -0000 Rob Farmer predatorlabs.net> writes: > Have you used the default FreeBSD shell (tcsh) recently? tcsh is not a shell. Well, it’s an interactive command line interpreter, not a bad one compared to what else is offered at that, but… http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/shell/csh-whynot/ bye, //mirabilos -- Sometimes they [people] care too much: pretty printers [and syntax highligh- ting, d.A.] mechanically produce pretty output that accentuates irrelevant detail in the program, which is as sensible as putting all the prepositions in English text in bold font. -- Rob Pike in "Notes on Programming in C" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 21:15:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE81106566C for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:15:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1368FC1E for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:15:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk7 with SMTP id 7so516500gxk.13 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:15:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.5.4 with SMTP id 4mr619953ane.172.1298582155204; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:15:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-071-070-216-068.nc.res.rr.com [71.70.216.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 37sm3850515anr.4.2011.02.24.13.15.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:15:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E681AE54828 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:15:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:15:52 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110224161552.573195ed@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <4D61599E.4040008@gmail.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:15:56 -0000 On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:02:22 -0800 Rob Farmer articulated: > Have you used the default FreeBSD shell (tcsh) recently? > > [rfarmer@sapphire] ~> echo $(date ) > Illegal variable name. Since I use Bash as my default shell, I never suffer from that problem. I was wondering if anyone had ever files a PR against that behavior though? -- Jerry ✌ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ Ignorance is never out of style. It was in fashion yesterday, it is the rage today, and it will set the pace tomorrow. Franklin K. Dane From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 21:21:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 880AB106566B for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:21:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 839273@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C22A8FC2A for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:21:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk7 with SMTP id 7so518713gxk.13 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:21:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gHn+/o/bQyXGkt8AZBCxpCxPX7SIpJ4ubT9vcUJcJg8=; b=MuW2qnyE+dQynheDChy+MJsRhK+aBQfZIAtSSUBUgC2WNlNoBU5z49TnwWBI9V1X9Q 9zT42jFiOXMgP587cwdBh9Dqt7dj2o/qpwyjAqAsjHouM/1pZrOJPuj7OpTiExyVHhRq ZRRlzMxPsdKOeevIpJCssG2hHVo/aHOgNnzZM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=A8L1r8p5aEsF2cQktCpF+SfMevHFhbQbhcoEih6gUYRn9lP+aw9e+KlOeLRqaktQCD WKBzB3e8A8LkcTX5SnmmkrBM8b62MPYgKne84TW32FfIc91sOESqY1KcacFLC/M2N75C 9gAROoTtYTfFNdT5/g2vMDjX37ZcrQKsYshWw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.154.3 with SMTP id g3mr2547446ybo.239.1298582470341; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:21:10 -0800 (PST) Sender: 839273@gmail.com Received: by 10.150.215.21 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:21:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110224161552.573195ed@scorpio> References: <4D61599E.4040008@gmail.com> <20110224161552.573195ed@scorpio> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:51:10 -0430 X-Google-Sender-Auth: EOEcTgbPe9u-2-Q6rbMSqEZaG6A Message-ID: From: Andres Perera To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Jerry Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: 839273@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:21:11 -0000 On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Jerry wrote: > On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:02:22 -0800 > Rob Farmer articulated: > >> Have you used the default FreeBSD shell (tcsh) recently? >> >> [rfarmer@sapphire] ~> echo $(date ) >> Illegal variable name. > > Since I use Bash as my default shell, I never suffer from that problem. > I was wondering if anyone had ever files a PR against that behavior > though? why would they add $() support for *csh? the whole shell is pretty far away from posix, and there's no reason to change its syntax since it's not used = for scripting (this thread is really funny) > > -- > Jerry =E2=9C=8C > FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net > > Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. > Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. > __________________________________________________________________ > > Ignorance is never out of style. =C2=A0It was in fashion yesterday, it is= the > rage today, and it will set the pace tomorrow. > > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Franklin K. Dane > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 21:20:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C7A106566C for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:20:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from neshort@yahoo.com) Received: from web161607.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (web161607.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.210.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 81CD48FC21 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:20:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 16083 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Feb 2011 21:20:13 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1298582413; bh=W+VTl5mXFeASQ/aHtre+SSW+u6Ob+VQIR/QpNaCEDCs=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WUyegzeJ6+Y2ycUig8SIJwoOrhwfLUGzNlyYuel8OF7kZHvhybMUBL6KFeqsyfcJPszN6vR8hWnTFTqNJ9y1U6Oof1728y6VyCUxc6TNUn1MlzK12UHno/AZ7XcjRQ5sAIqmiP4xSS+TMp6JpmA+lKZQV/8BG+RImJ+JVsbim0w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rttwXrRiF4LUWKxR25oZPuBuWqpcpQndAWUHt2cg7h6z0FwTbp3PFeSC4amaqnAXIWfCozX8otqTXzOf7Erdx4NIZ3AhVHhBvk5J8lY55d09yXQAJCJ47+tAACdhEQg1ztNcmnCeAldqCtyYBCwT/6ExHqew/JVtJjdoDj/Mzbc=; Message-ID: <9730.15239.qm@web161607.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: AGugmFkVM1lmIyM3eEak79hvTlD42EXQW4nBZhJuu3hQKbx ysuxubcrDMOs2MWqfjvjm.tQm5xboh6EL.RMptd9liDwPjKIMSf7YLB9n1bb _uzY9sJEGpo_Iamg4uFAojXlivTvSSQWPacqykuERsXe4qMdWy.Xbn6nJD1E oL7QDwAikR6Cz0djZsJYzL8sp_bYaJUycRhYQ0Hfew9TsfM0rcIQS_T4zsUn mFl0TVDn6.t..cYOVaNjZOczdwKfytLfySjX22UatlPxt8nn9XcDlzj9I6x7 lZ7zoUg-- Received: from [174.18.248.103] by web161607.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:20:12 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.109.292656 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:20:12 -0800 (PST) From: Neil Short To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:24:22 +0000 Subject: how to enable "sticky keys" in xorg? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:20:14 -0000 can "sticky keys" (SHIFT. ALT and CTRL hold until the next key is pressed) be enabled in x11-input.fdi? I wish to enable this accessibility option without resorting to KDE or GNOME. ====== From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 21:24:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D56F91065672 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:24:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfarmer@predatorlabs.net) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 632838FC12 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:24:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwb31 with SMTP id 31so1327099wwb.31 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:24:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=predatorlabs.net; s=google; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ef6KOrT/h+jxU/3H4Rk9LVhAHLd0/8L131cC/GOYy7A=; b=F9rlHZAzNT1etebm86DGAHr6sR68MjU9q1eNAGhLkwRRBezuXjP4bqZyiRbU1WRxUM 7qGgiY1s7tWx2RRhsakJZuS0eixKwESpnw+yLT/CDUyUWb0OQYid0alqElv99XpFT7zT 2rhLlrtP4she4CtjcdYCsQw+eun1rYjyd5Qjw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=predatorlabs.net; s=google; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=VetCSMIp7Zx8fsmX1I5f2I9JKq0WEkIA5A6OuH48hhbHVECfPlarrkztEKkuQRcJGj Rd0iTCTy0Vwmn5EckcB+G3OFg1So3pCitqbjIuERgOYg9MwlxelD6tzEVaiy6XoyyLGI CeNFK7pYgpKhxzdIQywG4hnAl70kp+0hr4x2E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.35.82 with SMTP id t60mr6326093wea.46.1298582677618; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:24:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.157.139 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:24:37 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.133.23] In-Reply-To: References: <4D61599E.4040008@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:24:37 -0800 Message-ID: From: Rob Farmer To: Thorsten Glaser Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:24:49 -0000 On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Rob Farmer predatorlabs.net> writes: > >> Have you used the default FreeBSD shell (tcsh) recently? > > tcsh is not a shell. Well, it=92s an interactive command line > interpreter, not a bad one compared to what else is offered > at that, but=85 > (New) people will still copy and paste commands into an interactive tcsh, so it is a good idea to be compatible when posting stuff to the mailing lists, etc. if possible. There was something on the ports@ list a while back, about PRs for new ports, where this came up. > http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/shell/csh-whynot/ > I've read it before. Who hasn't? And I find it unconvincing, since it is just a list of shortcomings. If those shortcomings don't affect me, why do I care? -- Rob Farmer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 21:38:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A89106566B for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:38:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tg@herc.mirbsd.org) Received: from herc.mirbsd.org (herc.mirbsd.org [IPv6:2a01:198:25d:0:202:b3ff:feb7:54e8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 516128FC18 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:38:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from herc.mirbsd.org (tg@localhost [IPv6:::1]) by herc.mirbsd.org (8.14.5.Beta0/8.14.5.Beta0) with ESMTP id p1OLad5O017547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:36:43 GMT Received: (from tg@localhost) by herc.mirbsd.org (8.14.5.Beta0/8.14.5.Beta0/Submit) id p1OLacjX003015; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:36:38 GMT Received: by S/MIME Plugin for MirBSD 10 Kv#10uAE-20110220 i386; Thu Feb 24 21:36:37 UTC 2011 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:36:37 +0000 (UTC) From: Thorsten Glaser cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <4D61599E.4040008@gmail.com> X-Message-Flag: Your mailer is broken. Get an update at http://www.washington.edu/pine/getpine/pcpine.html for free. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:38:21 -0000 Rob Farmer dixit: >(New) people will still copy and paste commands into an interactive >tcsh That=E2=80=99s a FreeBSD=C2=AE specific issue though. Other operating syste= ms did the sensible thing ages ago =E2=98=BA Even then, I tend to disagree here. There=E2=80=99s the common use of =E2=80=98% =E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98$ =E2=80=99 (and =E2=80=98# =E2=80=99 but= we use sudo(8) these days) as PS1 in examples to distinguish between these two. bye, //mirabilos --=20 13:47=E2=8E=9C if i were omnipotent, i would divide by zero all day long ;) (thinking about http://lobacevski.tumblr.com/post/3260866481 by waga) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 21:43:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C74BB106566C for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:43:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edflecko@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B5BE8FC14 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:43:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so626735iwn.13 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:43:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Jdvhi9TE9KTX0m6QahfU/5jlF/kgM8ryOKYkcz49aII=; b=Z+I/u6RE1YgY0PwCgZF78dwmFpcl36S7zD/An3cjtkLIgf6EX2Kzh6zDIfT97bW9qA R0oYaqc37PEPrtQoxZcILD7YkaVerJex5/cL6CU+JhSSeui/fN9w3lZvMlHw0D4o42fV u5m4A5qpQ3zOwz94xO3DZA3CVxUeUyO/yc2rY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=DFECImim0xMal9RIsyDf02I3FVt7rWuMlFvxkKmQwtZpxpi8AQRhR40g6uVFiFQ0sg WvFza+5Kyur4y85kksb5oYNVBLOzvnG0MsNq12KfKk3Cipy5b6V26uiQu0WE84YIgAW/ VzB2u0ja5iTxi5+N74Z3fvs1sJR1QWx7iDYXM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.35.1 with SMTP id n1mr2263643ibd.0.1298583788651; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:43:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.213.169 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:43:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110224210046.07609ed8@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <20110224210046.07609ed8@gumby.homeunix.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:43:08 -0800 Message-ID: From: Ed Flecko To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: How to push privoxy traffic through squid? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:43:09 -0000 Gentlemen, I think I have it! https://www.antagonism.org/web/squid-proxy.shtml The key is to add: cache_peer localhost parent 8118 0 default no-query no-digest no-netdb-exchange never_direct allow all to the squid.conf file (/usr/local/etc/squid/squid.conf) and have squid re-read its .conf file (squid -k reconfigure) RW: You're 100% correct; you need to connect to squid which will then push traffic through Privoxy Thank you for your input. :-) Ed From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 21:44:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 997A11065679 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:44:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [66.147.249.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5CC298FC19 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:44:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 28833 invoked by uid 0); 24 Feb 2011 21:44:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy1.bluehost.com.bluehost.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2011 21:44:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=RkI/tRdUFCiwN+312rZppXHhs6qoC4noirysAsJZHIXkW7ifrJMA7duTIxYivhIb9oJ+mjs1QLTFH6Pj5SLwYuf/Vnsh5o46d+jAjgAn61Gu32pV3xTgkxYHc7f4JAhH; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Psiyl-0007BZ-GQ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:44:08 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:33:22 -0700 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:33:22 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110224213322.GA13089@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D61599E.4040008@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:44:09 -0000 --vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 09:36:37PM +0000, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Rob Farmer dixit: > > > >(New) people will still copy and paste commands into an interactive > >tcsh >=20 > That=E2=80=99s a FreeBSD=C2=AE specific issue though. Other operating sys= tems > did the sensible thing ages ago =E2=98=BA What exactly is "the sensible thing"? --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1mzqIACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXdMACg0s9WmCLavcgLSGtuPU6SYNhe 0qIAnibgR2qG7+e8mzyYNau0+pUtTd6o =MR0p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 21:49:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 300691065675 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:49:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B381C8FC1A for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:49:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm19 with SMTP id 19so1181558fxm.13 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:49:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=CmSGtICTLjCirBgQHfDgiIfMUdCTYauLLau5fi4jDys=; b=i+cGbO1ks0GoGupNQsZ1lND1lSto+GJiYVdfMqlgu8rcbbXGjXyAc2883fxB30Oqdz K63lFO5sJrnHyOyxqz8K9RDMOHRfL5mQCQ4fonNdfb/l4zN2NNVirWEY9hQsCUThfMWl f5SRm5bn/QYldViQFpL4QuHsk9dGtlweakx4c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ePBHgWOHwDJ35OyKGohfhi5Rr9UrswoO0U+Z7XrEIvm2yfOKCLKl6WLwNAs+GdD5BA 8wk9WvW8o7YaFbUfnpbvJSOzfaxH2xD3VswIKIjF6VraPfj7T33iEwVxfEgBI7QBz+JE gDMqdvC8Kdp0KX0+JseUxSaaGwbb4p3GzbZPk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.101.131 with SMTP id c3mr1723912fao.50.1298584147531; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:49:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.103.4 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:49:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4D61599E.4040008@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:49:07 -0500 Message-ID: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: Thorsten Glaser Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:49:55 -0000 On 24 February 2011 16:05, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Rob Farmer predatorlabs.net> writes: > >> Have you used the default FreeBSD shell (tcsh) recently? > > tcsh is not a shell. Well, it=92s an interactive command line > interpreter, not a bad one compared to what else is offered > at that, but=85 > > http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/shell/csh-whynot/ > Need to update faqs.org to include an article on why you oughtn't read faqs.org as anything other than opinion. Oh, wait: http://www.faqs.org/terms.html --=20 -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 21:59:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E5421065674 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:59:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C4EF8FC15 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:59:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PsjE1-00042N-L5 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:59:53 +0100 Received: from static-87-79-237-121.netcologne.de ([87.79.237.121]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:59:53 +0100 Received: from tg by static-87-79-237-121.netcologne.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:59:53 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Thorsten Glaser Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:59:40 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <4D61599E.4040008@gmail.com> <20110224213322.GA13089@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 87.79.237.121 (Opera/9.27 (X11; MirBSD i386; U; en)) Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:59:55 -0000 Chad Perrin apotheon.com> writes: > > That’s a FreeBSD® specific issue though. Other operating systems > > did the sensible thing ages ago ☺ > > What exactly is "the sensible thing"? http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/usr.sbin/user/ user.c.diff?r1=1.116&r2=1.117&only_with_tag=MAIN http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20050328171714&thres=0&mode=expanded http://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.miros.cvs/3279 bye, //mirabilos -- FWIW, I'm quite impressed with mksh interactively. I thought it was much *much* more bare bones. But it turns out it beats the living hell out of ksh93 in that respect. I'd even consider it for my daily use if I hadn't wasted half my life on my zsh setup. :-) -- Frank Terbeck in #!/bin/mksh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 22:21:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3526C106566B for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:21:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EC87F8FC18 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:21:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 1598 invoked by uid 0); 24 Feb 2011 22:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2011 22:21:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=b2PVf/2Vi35dXJprISta2pAxA1nrCcUJMisS6mRgLtc9ZLAMP81qfhvp0kiPBSqcBSkwt9p2U/DMkIKeSBjD83F2cl10tztFsFCdKAJmaLqPev9WBmyvtURr1SlOHujy; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PsjZ9-0000vb-B9 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:21:44 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:10:57 -0700 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:10:57 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110224221057.GA13262@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110224213322.GA13089@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:21:45 -0000 --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 09:59:40PM +0000, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Chad Perrin apotheon.com> writes: >=20 > > > That=E2=80=99s a FreeBSD=C2=AE specific issue though. Other operating= systems > > > did the sensible thing ages ago =E2=98=BA > >=20 > > What exactly is "the sensible thing"? >=20 > http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/usr.sbin/user/ > user.c.diff?r1=3D1.116&r2=3D1.117&only_with_tag=3DMAIN >=20 > http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=3Darticle&sid=3D20050328171714&thres=3D0&m= ode=3Dexpanded >=20 > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.miros.cvs/3279 So . . . we've determined three things: 1. You think some measure of popularity of a decision makes it correct. 2. You don't like (t)csh. 3. You think your opinions are so self-evident that everybody will just immediately understand them, their reasoning, and the best way to proceed from there. What we have not yet determined is: 1. Is it a good idea to replace (t)csh? --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1m13EACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUZ4ACg46px7QzK6lms/2+yRpwc+gh8 DmEAn2uErR27JY9J7JDHG/rJETjKw8sN =KPZW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 22:34:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08665106564A for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:34:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB338FC12 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:34:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Psjlc-0004wF-Hc for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:34:36 +0100 Received: from static-87-79-237-121.netcologne.de ([87.79.237.121]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:34:36 +0100 Received: from tg by static-87-79-237-121.netcologne.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:34:36 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Thorsten Glaser Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:34:25 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <20110224213322.GA13089@guilt.hydra> <20110224221057.GA13262@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 87.79.237.121 (Opera/9.27 (X11; MirBSD i386; U; en)) Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:34:38 -0000 Chad Perrin apotheon.com> writes: > 1. You think some measure of popularity of a decision makes it correct. No. > 2. You don't like (t)csh. No. I just point out it’s not a suitable scripting shell. > 3. You think your opinions are so self-evident that everybody will just > immediately understand them, their reasoning, and the best way to proceed > from there. I may have some shortcomings when it comes to getting a point across. > 1. Is it a good idea to replace (t)csh? Probably. (Even Android uses mksh these days.) But that’s up to you guys. On the other hand, it’s tradition. But then, I never asked for this (here, I did in other places) either. See above. Anyway, goodnight (and I’ll probably not get back to this thread, just hope to have brought some thought-provoking impulse). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 22:39:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F00F106564A for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:39:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C43818FC14 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:39:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-22-230-24.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.22.230.24] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PsjqF-0002uq-GW for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:39:24 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:39:24 -0800 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:39:24 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110224223924.GF1983@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110224213322.GA13089@guilt.hydra> <20110224221057.GA13262@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NQTVMVnDVuULnIzU" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110224221057.GA13262@guilt.hydra> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:39:30 -0000 --NQTVMVnDVuULnIzU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Chad Perrin on Thursday, 24 February 2011: >=20 > What we have not yet determined is: >=20 > 1. Is it a good idea to replace (t)csh? >=20 > --=20 > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Though I dislike the OP's dismissal of backticks, I must admit that I would prefer that the standard shell be at least Bourne-compatible. I use csh for root for all the reasons that you shouldn't change your root shell. I suppose I could change root to /bin/sh, but that doesn't even have command recall. I don't know how many times I've keyed in a nicely composed off-the-cuff conditional only to have it fall flat. I have to remind myself to start zsh first when working as root, or start getting used to using toor instead, or just always use sudo. --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com --NQTVMVnDVuULnIzU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNZt4cAAoJEIpckszW26+R5qUH/2bzPu9Gq4i9Mv95f7ULIkEN 1AY2atmBu79uH8Co1DY7ofxcWpTRh0TW5eY5NCyBRAtKxA+7MS5T9qMJMSkS3OJz NzW9E2xiamGALmRxjvVBAZlMwsBuQJiaALsroRgzB37kb9KlJZPE7uUVYeJoSLYl N+H6SH0W91paNJ7XeLwuyS46IR6IP2X157XlntmINMrASp0fr3/809+jJh2dSMGq 3O1qySpiupw5wwyVMqBFoe9A8FkO3GXXHYfOB7v4i6g71lH/T0BB0xfMghHlC0GG oMQYgZpvvlIUmCXMdTX16LWSAF29R0Jy6Pvy1c41swyNK0LgSm2PjQPW7DvvuTs= =bPXi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NQTVMVnDVuULnIzU-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 22:40:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D0E91065672 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:40:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A208FC16 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:40:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-143-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.143.131]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 787081E62B; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:40:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p1OMeiId001638; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:40:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:40:44 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Rob Farmer Message-Id: <20110224234044.0df661c1.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4D61599E.4040008@gmail.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:40:46 -0000 On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:24:37 -0800, Rob Farmer wrote: > (New) people will still copy and paste commands into an interactive > tcsh, so it is a good idea to be compatible when posting stuff to the > mailing lists, etc. if possible. There was something on the ports@ > list a while back, about PRs for new ports, where this came up. That's why it is "a nice tradition" to indicate which kind of shell a command should be issued to, for example % set x = 100; foreach y ( .... ) >& boo_$x which is for C shell (tcsh), versus $ Q=1; W=2; [ ${Q} .... ] && meow `ls` < hi.there which is for (ba)sh. It get's interesting when talking about commands to be issued as root. :-) # pwd > I've read it before. Who hasn't? I haven't. :-) > And I find it unconvincing, since it > is just a list of shortcomings. If those shortcomings don't affect me, > why do I care? The article basically concentrates on shell PROGRAMMING, and I agree that programming scripts is not the biggest stength of the C shell. On the other hand, it's a very good interactive command line interpreter (as mentioned before) that is, in some regards (mainly driven by very individual taste), superior to the hyped bash. But it's also worth mentioning that there are even better shells which combine "the best of both worlds", like zsh, a shell that many professionals seem to prefer over the other ones mentioned. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 22:41:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F11910656C7 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:41:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [66.147.249.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5C7468FC14 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:41:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 18285 invoked by uid 0); 24 Feb 2011 22:41:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy1.bluehost.com.bluehost.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2011 22:41:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=AsU3XdIdXQImMY2CmjyaoyjwDuFpomCLqeHmzD7iG65KTZpV1nk3it0Yf5z9Na1RTDADtUmvnjTeLH95VBTo7oaXKbqV390zsQtMnuElitNe0rH/MgcfW14VwogclFUT; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PsjsM-0002jZ-Qi for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:41:35 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:30:49 -0700 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:30:49 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110224223049.GA13424@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110224213322.GA13089@guilt.hydra> <20110224221057.GA13262@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jI8keyz6grp/JLjh" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:41:36 -0000 --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:34:25PM +0000, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Chad Perrin apotheon.com> writes: > > > > 1. You think some measure of popularity of a decision makes it correct. >=20 > No. Why do you substitute others' email messages for an actual, direct response to my question, then? > > > > 2. You don't like (t)csh. >=20 > No. I just point out it=E2=80=99s not a suitable scripting shell. Who said anything about using it for scripting? The URIs you provided all lead to others talking about what to use as an *interactive* shell. I use tcsh as an interactive shell all the time, and use sh as a scripting shell. Having (t)csh as the default shell in no way means you have to do your admin scripting in (t)csh. > > > > 3. You think your opinions are so self-evident that everybody will just > > immediately understand them, their reasoning, and the best way to proce= ed > > from there. >=20 > I may have some shortcomings when it comes to getting a point across. You didn't even try to make a point. >=20 > > 1. Is it a good idea to replace (t)csh? >=20 > Probably. (Even Android uses mksh these days.) But that=E2=80=99s up to y= ou > guys. On the other hand, it=E2=80=99s tradition. "Probably." Why? Just saying it's so doesn't make it so. >=20 > But then, I never asked for this (here, I did in other places) either. > See above. What was the point of referring to the "sensible thing", then? >=20 > Anyway, goodnight (and I=E2=80=99ll probably not get back to this thread, > just hope to have brought some thought-provoking impulse). It's not thought-provoking if it doesn't include any thought. If you think you have a compelling argument, you'll have better luck provoking thought by letting us in on it. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1m3BkACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWouQCdEoeK513Y2w3/iHAHUM0gWfBr ioAAoLEfFXVNvkw5lZ6z1kg78PG9Ipmi =v3HF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 22:43:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2166D106564A for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:43:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77CA78FC0A for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:43:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1OMh1h1054814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:43:01 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p1OMh1h1054814 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1298587381; bh=IeUZL75vpCi+Cx01Fan2vmNIvrCeP4619D0Cj9SEsBA=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4D66DEED.9010105@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20T hu,=2024=20Feb=202011=2022:42:53=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-US=3B=20r v:1.9.2.13)=20Gecko/20101207=20Thunderbird/3.1.7|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20Backtick=2 0versus=20$()|References:=20=09=09=09=09=09=09=09<20110224213322.GA13089@guilt.hydra>=09=09<20110224221057.GA13262@guilt.hydra> =20<20110224223924.GF1983@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com>|In-Re ply-To:=20<20110224223924.GF1983@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com >|X-Enigmail-Version:=201.1.1|OpenPGP:=20id=3D60AE908C|Content-Typ e:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3 D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------en igA8A012C50D1610ADE4F638DF"; b=m6xh+y0kJlmU2umyzS74h9iLbilu2DAg+OkAJJoVliSadBG8x5Db/qDTiqYq/zFHa gOEUV6I8OGG3A5mfWLFh59c97E/DsbY9RWe4ePxyioztec+d8ZoF1YmYB6ixOhn7Sj O+w1PfjpYik8mPeHNBI0bK345VMbVDgwUomSUrKI= Message-ID: <4D66DEED.9010105@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:42:53 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110224213322.GA13089@guilt.hydra> <20110224221057.GA13262@guilt.hydra> <20110224223924.GF1983@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> In-Reply-To: <20110224223924.GF1983@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigA8A012C50D1610ADE4F638DF" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:43:05 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigA8A012C50D1610ADE4F638DF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 24/02/2011 22:39, Chip Camden wrote: > I suppose I could change root to /bin/sh, but that doesn't even > have command recall.=20 set -o emacs Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigA8A012C50D1610ADE4F638DF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1m3vQACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxoGwCePlbJnBekw9dh4QuqLk1TjL7U hAkAoI4NNvTXdmxmypfSYfR6lDBqEDUp =y1FS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigA8A012C50D1610ADE4F638DF-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 22:58:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7695B1065695 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:58:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377458FC0C for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:58:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-22-230-24.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.22.230.24] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Psk8m-0006WY-MI for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:58:34 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:58:34 -0800 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:58:34 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110224225834.GG1983@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110224213322.GA13089@guilt.hydra> <20110224221057.GA13262@guilt.hydra> <20110224223924.GF1983@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <4D66DEED.9010105@infracaninophile.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="t4apE7yKrX2dGgJC" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D66DEED.9010105@infracaninophile.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:58:39 -0000 --t4apE7yKrX2dGgJC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Matthew Seaman on Thursday, 24 February 2011: > On 24/02/2011 22:39, Chip Camden wrote: > > I suppose I could change root to /bin/sh, but that doesn't even > > have command recall.=20 >=20 > set -o emacs >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Matthew >=20 > --=20 > Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard > Flat 3 > PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate > JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW >=20 Thanks for that -- though I'll go with: set -o vi TYVM. I didn't know /bin/sh supported those modes. --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com --t4apE7yKrX2dGgJC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNZuKaAAoJEIpckszW26+RH5QIAKma/2ETtXnbPF3CibLsloB4 uTYpX5j5n4Dw9UxrlPonOFWyOQqpvvdl/+F1xQs0aS5Gy3pOUu88hlwzKh8mp9vC PmX25fk4f6dsdCK0arXCoLhCzgiah2LpkV6+pnb9RLY5il+PH4ttHWqkN83IZV9g +3xlAPB4JO8gY0x+wOZqM5TA9lyEuLhcfSjk74H5bftJ9c6+mD8mRDGa6MAbHFwj q3FeP7SzjU4tzu5kziZcTFJFRQkv1RbUyuGvG18o3di9E88XxiQ2csp0fc5BKxcJ 9c8BqQeJn3j1g9w0mIab0Urg49V7L7Rtyk6D0IEnejyi0dZMKwN+Oq4z+yHAHdY= =SFMs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --t4apE7yKrX2dGgJC-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 23:01:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2BBE1065670 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:01:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 762548FC08 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:01:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 21154 invoked by uid 0); 24 Feb 2011 23:01:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2011 23:01:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=cf4ZjjAZzAze1VkDSb28gYGVzM0wV8mhuk6a5ngEY7bpkz0rMMgbFYgbXKTNdkCPH7g0dGc1pqINVLwA9Oy3+JnTWfvPNqojCez93zTOAsTkO0av5LAiiVdxKOPdZ9ow; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PskBf-0003VQ-JM for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:01:32 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:50:46 -0700 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:50:46 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110224225046.GA13490@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110224213322.GA13089@guilt.hydra> <20110224221057.GA13262@guilt.hydra> <20110224223924.GF1983@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="GvXjxJ+pjyke8COw" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110224223924.GF1983@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:01:33 -0000 --GvXjxJ+pjyke8COw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 02:39:24PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth Chad Perrin on Thursday, 24 February 2011: > >=20 > > What we have not yet determined is: > >=20 > > 1. Is it a good idea to replace (t)csh? >=20 > Though I dislike the OP's dismissal of backticks, I must admit that I > would prefer that the standard shell be at least Bourne-compatible. I > use csh for root for all the reasons that you shouldn't change your > root shell. I suppose I could change root to /bin/sh, but that doesn't > even have command recall. I don't know how many times I've keyed in a > nicely composed off-the-cuff conditional only to have it fall flat. I > have to remind myself to start zsh first when working as root, or start > getting used to using toor instead, or just always use sudo. The toor account seems like the right answer here. In general, I actually prefer the csh-style syntax for an interactive shell, personally. I would be willing to deal with sh as the default shell, and make changes to use tcsh instead as needed, though. Would I would not want is to go the other direction -- to change the default shell to something with too many dependencies and licensing more restrictive than FreeBSD's preferred license. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --GvXjxJ+pjyke8COw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1m4MYACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWniwCfVZyR8qtUN8f9D1yu5tna6UtG QgsAoKY0KtEb1qrCiZO3HSL4ekcG4sSk =W3bN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --GvXjxJ+pjyke8COw-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 23:04:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55542106566B for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:04:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1055B8FC0A for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:04:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-143-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.143.131]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D34311E384; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:04:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p1ON4LVO001762; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:04:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:04:21 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Chip Camden Message-Id: <20110225000421.cd452210.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110224225834.GG1983@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> References: <20110224213322.GA13089@guilt.hydra> <20110224221057.GA13262@guilt.hydra> <20110224223924.GF1983@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <4D66DEED.9010105@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110224225834.GG1983@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:04:23 -0000 On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:58:34 -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > Thanks for that -- though I'll go with: > > set -o vi > > TYVM. I didn't know /bin/sh supported those modes. It's hardly known as /bin/sh is _not_ used for interactive comunication regularly, as it's basically the system's standard scripting shell. It's interactive use is reserved for emergencies, operations performed in single user mode to bring back the system to perform normally. Still, it *CAN* be used for this porpose quite well when configured properly - if needed. I could also say: If you're spending too much time in sh interactive sessions to think about it, you're probably doing something wrong. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 23:05:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1387E106566C for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:05:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CBA228FC15 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:05:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 1746 invoked by uid 0); 24 Feb 2011 23:05:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2011 23:05:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=cBFwvBbGQa6/ZVROX1sDH1z3ixwErrAunuVPZmGttuI+AvVpZfH6mfizba17qO0b4MkNLdngmeiz0VaxEJx86KTIRTEebez8YOKDmI4F5Wmg+b/fw9V6Z4Ilmt93HdRW; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PskFC-00087N-TW for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:05:12 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:54:25 -0700 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:54:25 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110224225425.GB13490@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D61599E.4040008@gmail.com> <20110224234044.0df661c1.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="8P1HSweYDcXXzwPJ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110224234044.0df661c1.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:05:13 -0000 --8P1HSweYDcXXzwPJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:40:44PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:24:37 -0800, Rob Farmer = wrote: > > > > I've read it before. Who hasn't?=20 >=20 > I haven't. :-) While reading it, just keep this in mind: It's about "programming" in csh. It's not about using csh as an interactive user shell. People who try to use it as "proof" that we should not use csh as an interactive user shell don't get it. > > > > And I find it unconvincing, since it is just a list of shortcomings. > > If those shortcomings don't affect me, why do I care? >=20 > The article basically concentrates on shell PROGRAMMING, and I agree > that programming scripts is not the biggest stength of the C shell. On > the other hand, it's a very good interactive command line interpreter > (as mentioned before) that is, in some regards (mainly driven by very > individual taste), superior to the hyped bash. But it's also worth > mentioning that there are even better shells which combine "the best of > both worlds", like zsh, a shell that many professionals seem to prefer > over the other ones mentioned. I see from this you are not prone to confuse programming with an interactive user shell. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --8P1HSweYDcXXzwPJ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1m4aEACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVTIACfaoeA+j5bBkaBcSn7FJy6a6ix 2wkAnRflA62s/Ywr/SNIup+YYTRe6IOX =rWj9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --8P1HSweYDcXXzwPJ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 23:12:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EF0C106564A for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:12:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 839273@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yi0-f54.google.com (mail-yi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A988FC17 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:12:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yib19 with SMTP id 19so575800yib.13 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:12:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; bh=U2RLjpOtPQjOiEYOT3Pt/lpnrkn5YYMrzFwLfpp+7vs=; b=PZTgb8AxM7m+VQFNSrFUMaWO+PR2NXRfVxsA0QNgkmGCmniAEsNexuG0P2+xGWo6IX YEwD/4WFSMdLHRKPD8uEZ3QYRrmT9VPq1/okEdWbZqVopgOdxvHT94rBsaXvLCktTFJi 0yuzRagvTsrfQAYf7FKdWMbmvqy/MRef6ZKdM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=bWsShxwiXN8QrFCM1xoNsPOAouCVA6qA2SWCXpT/1DNPjEZUTtbdMiM6IGxxCPaQ2+ jQ7wX089seGiIfKCDiXYDGSWhPusFyweL6gpgtn1OvsKXKGW71aNRDemMiNB31beORq8 axNzIXrd9VYRCt+z06DbzYZBFayzPaQzqKGHs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.145.11 with SMTP id x11mr2731619ybn.182.1298589138978; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:12:18 -0800 (PST) Sender: 839273@gmail.com Received: by 10.150.215.21 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:12:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110224221057.GA13262@guilt.hydra> References: <20110224213322.GA13089@guilt.hydra> <20110224221057.GA13262@guilt.hydra> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 18:42:18 -0430 X-Google-Sender-Auth: uCmhdLmqSQf43fy07DZOkdilHgI Message-ID: From: Andres Perera To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Chad Perrin Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: 839273@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:12:20 -0000 On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > > 1. Is it a good idea to replace (t)csh? mksh is better than tcsh for everything From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 23:13:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 016AA1065674 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:13:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B04A18FC21 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:13:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-143-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.143.131]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 930CE1E6A5; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:13:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p1OND1HS001805; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:13:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:13:01 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Chad Perrin Message-Id: <20110225001301.e4f6d95f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110224225425.GB13490@guilt.hydra> References: <4D61599E.4040008@gmail.com> <20110224234044.0df661c1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110224225425.GB13490@guilt.hydra> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:13:04 -0000 On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:54:25 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:40:44PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:24:37 -0800, Rob Farmer wrote: > > > > > > I've read it before. Who hasn't? > > > > I haven't. :-) > > While reading it, just keep this in mind: > > It's about "programming" in csh. It's not about using csh as an > interactive user shell. People who try to use it as "proof" that we > should not use csh as an interactive user shell don't get it. >From my personal experience, I know that the C shell is not the best shell for scripting, but one of the best interactive shells. The article proves the first part of my statement to be quite... accurate, as the C shell really has some specific syntax - redirection and grouping are typical issues. But well, that's not a big problem as the C shell does not claim to be command-line compatible to (ba)sh. > I see from this you are not prone to confuse programming with an > interactive user shell. I'm old enough not to be cheated that easily. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 23:13:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B96A1065674 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:13:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd4michelle@tamay-dogan.net) Received: from mout8.freenet.de (mout8.freenet.de [IPv6:2001:748:100:40::2:a]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCC318FC16 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:13:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [195.4.92.14] (helo=4.mx.freenet.de) by mout8.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID michelle.konzack@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.72 #3) id 1PskNJ-0004Se-5d for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:13:33 +0100 Received: from [89.204.137.164] (port=30045 helo=mail.tamay-dogan.net) by 4.mx.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID michelle.konzack@freenet.de) (SSLv3:AES256-SHA:256) (port 25) (Exim 4.72 #3) id 1PskNH-0001Kz-SE for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:13:33 +0100 Received: from michelle1.private.tamay-dogan.net (michelle1.private.tamay-dogan.net [::ffff:192.168.0.91]) (IDENT: michelle.konzack, AUTH: LOGIN michelle.konzack) by mail.tamay-dogan.net with esmtp; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:15:14 +0100 id 0000A2A1.4D66E683.00005628 Received: by michelle1.private.tamay-dogan.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:03:15 +0100 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:03:15 +0100 From: Michelle Konzack To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110224230315.GR3248@michelle1> References: <4D61599E.4040008@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Message-Flag: Improper configuration of Outlook is a breeding ground for viruses. Please take care your Client is configured correctly. Greetings Michelle. X-Disclaimer-DE: Eine weitere Verwendung oder die Veroeffentlichung dieser Mail oder dieser Mailadresse ist nur mit der Einwilligung des Autors gestattet. X-Disclaimer-EN: What are you looking here? X-Disclaimer-FR: Quest ce tu regarder ici? Organization: Tamay Dogan Network X-Operating-System: Linux michelle1 2.6.26-2-686 X-Homepage: http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:13:34 -0000 Hello Andres Perera, Am 2011-02-20 22:19:49, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: > that's not true :-D > echo `echo 1\`echo 2\\\`echo 3\\\\\\\`echo 4\\\\\\\`\\\`\`` Backslash Orgies! Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- ##################### Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ###################### Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet France EURL itsystems@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle Konzack Owner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix Jabber linux4michelle@jabber.ccc.de ICQ #328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 23:18:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FDAA1065672 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:18:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost1.waddell.com (mailhost1.waddell.com [67.130.252.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E048FC12 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:18:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emlpfilt4.waddell.com (mailhost.waddell.com [10.1.10.26]) by mailhost1.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC87615AB; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:18:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from emlpfilt4.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id C2E8F578810; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:18:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from ADVPHTCAS0.wradvisors.com (advphtcas0.wradvisors.com [192.168.203.228]) by emlpfilt4.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB2B57880E; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:18:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from WADPMBXV0.waddell.com ([169.254.1.145]) by ADVPHTCAS0.wradvisors.com ([192.168.203.228]) with mapi; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:18:04 -0600 From: Gary Gatten To: 'Polytropon' , Chad Perrin Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:18:03 -0600 Thread-Topic: Backtick versus $() Thread-Index: AcvUeJIk/GvKf650SXS/mXonZiTTuQAAA8Qw Message-ID: <21929_1298589484_4D66E72C_21929_309_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD35499F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> References: <4D61599E.4040008@gmail.com> <20110224234044.0df661c1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110224225425.GB13490@guilt.hydra> <20110225001301.e4f6d95f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110225001301.e4f6d95f.freebsd@edvax.de> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: RE: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:18:05 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@f= reebsd.org] On Behalf Of Polytropon Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 5:13 PM To: Chad Perrin Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:54:25 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:40:44PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:24:37 -0800, Rob Farmer wrote: > > > > > > I've read it before. Who hasn't?=20 > >=20 > > I haven't. :-) >=20 > While reading it, just keep this in mind: >=20 > It's about "programming" in csh. It's not about using csh as an > interactive user shell. People who try to use it as "proof" that we > should not use csh as an interactive user shell don't get it. >From my personal experience, I know that the C shell is not the best shell for scripting, but one of the best interactive shells. The article proves the first part of my statement to be quite... accurate, as the C shell really has some specific syntax - redirection and grouping are typical issues. But well, that's not a big problem as the C shell does not claim to be command-line compatible to (ba)sh. > I see from this you are not prone to confuse programming with an > interactive user shell. I'm old enough not to be cheated that easily. :-) Everyone is wrong! "pfmsh" is the best at everything, period. It does ever= ything you can possibly think of today and tomorrow. It doesn't require an= y upgrades, ever. It's 100% secure. It doesn't use any memory or other re= sources, $hit, it doesn't even need to be installed; it just "magically" wo= rks. There you have it.
"This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 23:24:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4990D106566C for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:24:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0D81B8FC16 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:24:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 15775 invoked by uid 0); 24 Feb 2011 23:24:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2011 23:24:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=UKsy8eGNN1msi+17fuxuLWcOqKhIuR2awkXPZLuIu3m0mzAQi7Irrf/Nco0M80opAOAMGuTGSTIsZsAegQ4n8DT+5hK9HHrvik+tJlQNVJdQ58lNoF/rvX2yU/PybKmb; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PskYI-0006gs-GU for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:24:55 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:14:09 -0700 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:14:09 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110224231409.GA13729@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110224213322.GA13089@guilt.hydra> <20110224221057.GA13262@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zhXaljGHf11kAtnf" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:24:56 -0000 --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 06:42:18PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > > 1. Is it a good idea to replace (t)csh? >=20 > mksh is better than tcsh for everything Thank you for your opinion, but it's just an opinion with no explanation, logic, or evidence behind it, so far. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1m5kEACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKW9cACgx5iOJLBlFSTIoCdMua5lQoPR xEcAn2ed1DHd4fvP+5bbno2ONV7sZ/4c =B6mE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 23:26:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B614F106564A for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:26:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 77F058FC16 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:26:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 20023 invoked by uid 0); 24 Feb 2011 23:26:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2011 23:26:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=C8zP+31BVCvkOTUxnSbHV8hr9UCbEm23U+CcNDziG/ejzs5YvocJkH6ch2a47kwUADVrK2xyOH+oe+jCeqEkS8wpVyhx/kfq3yrrp4Csmc0N5xlOOzmdylq9R9JNBlDV; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pska8-0000Zk-Vf for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:26:50 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:16:03 -0700 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:16:03 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <20110224231603.GB13729@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <20110224234044.0df661c1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110224225425.GB13490@guilt.hydra> <20110225001301.e4f6d95f.freebsd@edvax.de> <21929_1298589484_4D66E72C_21929_309_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD35499F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IiVenqGWf+H9Y6IX" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <21929_1298589484_4D66E72C_21929_309_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD35499F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:26:50 -0000 --IiVenqGWf+H9Y6IX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 05:18:03PM -0600, Gary Gatten wrote: >=20 > Everyone is wrong! "pfmsh" is the best at everything, period. It does > everything you can possibly think of today and tomorrow. It doesn't > require any upgrades, ever. It's 100% secure. It doesn't use any > memory or other resources, $hit, it doesn't even need to be installed; > it just "magically" works. >=20 > There you have it. What is this -- a bad joke? --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --IiVenqGWf+H9Y6IX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1m5rMACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXIDACdGM8hWi96+5U33VLAfStardn6 EmUAoLWK1o7BF9hsvPE2DKumNFOg5IL+ =PEJI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IiVenqGWf+H9Y6IX-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 23:30:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4710106564A for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:30:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 839273@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D798FC0A for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:30:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxl31 with SMTP id 31so584615yxl.13 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:30:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lYnH3YQ9rd8h7/1Y+3Dru2ZPUWSlwstBHIOO2RhqEqw=; b=Ez8lzvwrk+RaF6cTGH46qUiT57kfrxhCXKcu47eRf7zXad5+2Xz8iVnS2XA26jye76 9i5RZIwAt9Hc09bN14ES7/kNQs5VWtd+KFCDFD48Kw0tKtYBVso6jgrDcNFjmWwOItNS oACl0msuwMhEsZMX77xXMQJ87gpqhSZAtWYYs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=f2wvao0CAnl3bTiA/emlhV6hC1fABPuvH7JO8evejl9Wy1dKffDcVZ/7oD+gl1Ufw4 kKvBl12vowoKBcZO5H+Vy+areUnjwkSgxYR96YECnoMBObAzHiKn0L+C3mhV2/XGSUZ0 T6oNOIxqa2gfKjG9BapSQeBqbsaX1/J5CAj/c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.154.3 with SMTP id g3mr2714292ybo.239.1298590211224; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:30:11 -0800 (PST) Sender: 839273@gmail.com Received: by 10.150.215.21 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:30:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <21929_1298589484_4D66E72C_21929_309_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD35499F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> References: <4D61599E.4040008@gmail.com> <20110224234044.0df661c1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110224225425.GB13490@guilt.hydra> <20110225001301.e4f6d95f.freebsd@edvax.de> <21929_1298589484_4D66E72C_21929_309_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD35499F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:00:11 -0430 X-Google-Sender-Auth: C4KjInbklyRsqJ6V8biP8pP_OBI Message-ID: From: Andres Perera To: Gary Gatten Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Chad Perrin , Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: 839273@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:30:12 -0000 On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Gary Gatten wrote: > Everyone is wrong! "pfmsh" is the best at everything, period. =C2=A0It do= es > everything you can possibly think of today and tomorrow. =C2=A0It doesn't > require any upgrades, ever. =C2=A0It's 100% secure. =C2=A0It doesn't use = any > memory or other resources, $hit, it doesn't even need to be installed; > it just "magically" works. you can ignore all you want, but there are shells of different quality, and tcsh is inferior to mksh in everyway there are no interactive features in csh that could justify its inclusion over mksh, and the code is regarded as horrible (as per author and people with eyes) because of the adhoc parser tcsh people fixed a few bugs, but that doesn't change that the intrinsic design is a mess. the tcsh also added stupid redundant builtins like ls-F mksh also has stupid builtins like cat, but it makes up for it by being an extremely solid shell and overall more polished than the horrible turd that is (t)csh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 23:32:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84E26106566B for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:32:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4393B8FC13 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:32:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-22-230-24.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.22.230.24] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PskfD-0002x4-4H for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:32:07 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:32:04 -0800 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:32:04 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <20110224233204.GI1983@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <20110224234044.0df661c1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110224225425.GB13490@guilt.hydra> <20110225001301.e4f6d95f.freebsd@edvax.de> <21929_1298589484_4D66E72C_21929_309_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD35499F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZOudaV4lSIjFTlHv" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <21929_1298589484_4D66E72C_21929_309_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD35499F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:32:13 -0000 --ZOudaV4lSIjFTlHv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Gary Gatten on Thursday, 24 February 2011: > Everyone is wrong! "pfmsh" is the best at everything, period. It does ev= erything you can possibly think of today and tomorrow. It doesn't require = any upgrades, ever. It's 100% secure. It doesn't use any memory or other = resources, $hit, it doesn't even need to be installed; it just "magically" = works. >=20 > There you have it. >=20 That one doesn't seem to be in ports. --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com --ZOudaV4lSIjFTlHv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNZup0AAoJEIpckszW26+R2hUH/25KxEW3X8kjPcR7GRvxy75c gWcOLYnjjVdT2GUWQ4T4xCI0/q4r3sZ/TsZKjxoIFgye3yzv0r+I1eL62nuV8k+F 40FpnuCCxut89H59Di93irE2tmSZw5/vtDXx4VhS9FMroQqpMQB+DvGqnJksf5tj lmVjBfwxRVfJJmw0i0qpT2Huu1B3t2Hg0cfdzvKCXOG6WHhzx3AlAL0jp4JxI3OO OmIqx6uM0xzskcyVsCStTdrmw3SuJxazG5S68SHmzRR/OJa1z34/qTRqwXjk6vmN QxJkIAVjMH+G70hH+SGyqYarBotXe8KGtH3bHT74WnmQjA/ofS512LwxJnTqvy0= =3Um2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZOudaV4lSIjFTlHv-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 23:34:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5CD1106564A for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:34:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9E84A8FC19 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:34:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 5369 invoked by uid 0); 24 Feb 2011 23:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2011 23:34:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=mgdYVUGGcwIdMDeWwHQw7RZ6kvlNdPkU37qVQP765BgAO1BwLgIEcgeFxgtgxH2RzGwjKjKhElDIbQZp+8NcQ7mIgJcbR8Um0rHJ7sALO3wBLVif7F2MbRpGMX+VQE7Z; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pskhu-0001dH-4h for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:34:51 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:24:04 -0700 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:24:04 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <20110224232404.GA13838@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <20110224234044.0df661c1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110224225425.GB13490@guilt.hydra> <20110225001301.e4f6d95f.freebsd@edvax.de> <21929_1298589484_4D66E72C_21929_309_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD35499F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:34:52 -0000 --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:00:11PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Gary Gatten wrote: > > Everyone is wrong! "pfmsh" is the best at everything, period. =A0It does > > everything you can possibly think of today and tomorrow. =A0It doesn't > > require any upgrades, ever. =A0It's 100% secure. =A0It doesn't use any > > memory or other resources, $hit, it doesn't even need to be installed; > > it just "magically" works. >=20 > you can ignore all you want, but there are shells of different quality, > and tcsh is inferior to mksh in everyway You keep saying that. Maybe it's just personal taste. >=20 > there are no interactive features in csh that could justify its > inclusion over mksh, and the code is regarded as horrible (as per author > and people with eyes) because of the adhoc parser >=20 > tcsh people fixed a few bugs, but that doesn't change that the intrinsic > design is a mess. the tcsh also added stupid redundant builtins like > ls-F >=20 > mksh also has stupid builtins like cat, but it makes up for it by being > an extremely solid shell and overall more polished than the horrible > turd that is (t)csh So far, your complaints translate to "Well, sure, for every concrete (t)csh problem I've identified, mksh has similar problems, but it's better because I like it." --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1m6JQACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUmqgCbBu8P7a31cPCl3zi2s+rnGUiV RDcAnRkZP8WHxfM6WZK+bBiXEHjlmMOb =7RTz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 23:36:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CAE6106566B for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:36:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E9FF8FC14 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:36:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 19347 invoked by uid 0); 24 Feb 2011 23:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2011 23:36:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=WyhovKA6EBSk436rPrBCb7WUJ73eQZStpZboDXiiF+yM9Dowx+mqnkhGsMA6DSKGo3HqOGOG5JqxXi7/6bxPZmn3hJ0CwW5/pFWEHjvK3j5EbSatTF+hbDFeTkdbufci; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pskjr-0003o3-Hu for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:36:52 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:26:06 -0700 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:26:06 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <20110224232606.GA13888@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <20110224234044.0df661c1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110224225425.GB13490@guilt.hydra> <20110225001301.e4f6d95f.freebsd@edvax.de> <21929_1298589484_4D66E72C_21929_309_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD35499F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110224233204.GI1983@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110224233204.GI1983@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:36:53 -0000 --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 03:32:04PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth Gary Gatten on Thursday, 24 February 2011: > > > > Everyone is wrong! "pfmsh" is the best at everything, period. It > > does everything you can possibly think of today and tomorrow. It > > doesn't require any upgrades, ever. It's 100% secure. It doesn't > > use any memory or other resources, $hit, it doesn't even need to be > > installed; it just "magically" works. > >=20 > > There you have it. >=20 > That one doesn't seem to be in ports. In case you aren't just being sarcastic, I think "pfmsh" is a reference to "pure fucking magic shell". --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1m6Q4ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKURdwCgr0UtQnDKAlz4HP2Oi6vIRdxJ PwAAn2c52kLcFQ+r0uzdsj4FFTevHrb2 =1cHa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 23:42:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10DBD1065673 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:42:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE478FC1B for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:42:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-143-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.143.131]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47A0E1DEF5; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:42:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p1ONgJD5004170; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:42:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:42:19 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Gary Gatten Message-Id: <20110225004219.bfbbbd77.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <21929_1298589484_4D66E72C_21929_309_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD35499F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> References: <4D61599E.4040008@gmail.com> <20110224234044.0df661c1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110224225425.GB13490@guilt.hydra> <20110225001301.e4f6d95f.freebsd@edvax.de> <21929_1298589484_4D66E72C_21929_309_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD35499F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:42:22 -0000 On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:18:03 -0600, Gary Gatten wrote: > Everyone is wrong! "pfmsh" is the best at everything, period. > It does everything you can possibly think of today and tomorrow. > It doesn't require any upgrades, ever. It's 100% secure. > It doesn't use any memory or other resources, $hit, it doesn't > even need to be installed; it just "magically" works. > > There you have it. The standard reply to "is better" or "is the best" is "I don't like" followed by any arbitrary attribute, like "but I don't like the color" or "I don't like the file names". :-) Meanwhile, I've looked into mksh and found out that giving it a standard prompt (user@host:path$) is not very easy and involves copying two lines from the manpage (search for PS1) into a config file. It's not that you can use bash's prompt 1:1 (or csh's). Completition and history behaviour is nice, better than bash, in my opinion, and equal to csh (which I prefer in this regards). Oh "prefer" - it's all very individual, that's why the system's default shell should be replaced by punched cards. Everyone likes colorful punched cards. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 23:43:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B43B106567A for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:43:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 839273@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gw0-f44.google.com (mail-gw0-f44.google.com [74.125.83.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A7D8FC1B for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:43:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwaa18 with SMTP id a18so1109461gwa.17 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:43:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=U4whwzmYK6uTNJakDE5h8oX3HUg+1Vjx9oTUoLFGORY=; b=D/qvPN603ZlmA7f90zZj2a9eMzoBwty7H2E3JSUK1YC1gZo5MshmrrZzvxqCyZxCqt fPMRlnyXCLMLRMraeYaoZkfamJmW8UL+s4uwye5DqO5chniFPAElVEbRFONvR4xGsaDV SVRIkR0BP70aHIpkaO8teJZYwajpcUdssfezw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=Y2fZTesBVnc6L4A5W5NwvHAJjiyT26vlwXrBT9hmayBu9k9KwXmHfNLNp1OueQAT25 PeI/WarW4OxOuqF///rBRPzyyKD7Jm2b9cVosL9MLuPFG82cFe6/f0xrP91r1Y0cLpaQ gzg+jJ95LSWDeeN48LYuxelxMcWF6PeOHbWxM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.83.7 with SMTP id k7mr2806687ybl.68.1298590975633; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:42:55 -0800 (PST) Sender: 839273@gmail.com Received: by 10.150.215.21 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:42:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110224232404.GA13838@guilt.hydra> References: <20110224234044.0df661c1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110224225425.GB13490@guilt.hydra> <20110225001301.e4f6d95f.freebsd@edvax.de> <21929_1298589484_4D66E72C_21929_309_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD35499F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110224232404.GA13838@guilt.hydra> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:12:55 -0430 X-Google-Sender-Auth: EtwN9IXSiQ9pxekYLI0g1tJQIRE Message-ID: From: Andres Perera To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Chad Perrin Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: 839273@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:43:31 -0000 On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:00:11PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Gary Gatten wrote= : >> > Everyone is wrong! "pfmsh" is the best at everything, period. =C2=A0It= does >> > everything you can possibly think of today and tomorrow. =C2=A0It does= n't >> > require any upgrades, ever. =C2=A0It's 100% secure. =C2=A0It doesn't u= se any >> > memory or other resources, $hit, it doesn't even need to be installed; >> > it just "magically" works. >> >> you can ignore all you want, but there are shells of different quality, >> and tcsh is inferior to mksh in everyway > > You keep saying that. =C2=A0Maybe it's just personal taste. > > >> >> there are no interactive features in csh that could justify its >> inclusion over mksh, and the code is regarded as horrible (as per author >> and people with eyes) because of the adhoc parser >> >> tcsh people fixed a few bugs, but that doesn't change that the intrinsic >> design is a mess. the tcsh also added stupid redundant builtins like >> ls-F >> >> mksh also has stupid builtins like cat, but it makes up for it by being >> an extremely solid shell and overall more polished than the horrible >> turd that is (t)csh > > So far, your complaints translate to "Well, sure, for every concrete > (t)csh problem I've identified, mksh has similar problems, but it's > better because I like it." you are an obtuse person the author of vi, who is also the author of csh regards it as poor code the parser is wonky and tcsh built uppon that code instead of basing their efforts on something solid *you* are the one that's dodging questions history expansion is in all the modern shells, so it's not a "csh thing" anymore, and hasn't been for a very long time every feature in csh is present in other shells, barring repetition like ls-F (other ls(1) implement colors) what's the justification for ls-F according to the manual? "it's faster than ls(1)", which amounts to nothing in modern times and is a clear case of over-optimization what's the justification for cat builtin in mksh? the read builtin partly implements it, so it doesn't even represent new code addition it's clearly a different case, and the fact that you can't see this seems to indicate that you have no idea what you're talking about, like most of the people on this thread > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 23:43:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C9391065672 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:43:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost1.waddell.com (mailhost1.waddell.com [67.130.252.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618E08FC19 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:43:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emlpfilt2.waddell.com (mailhost2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost1.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08F1150E3A; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:43:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from emlpfilt2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id EFFA42F8003; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:43:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from ADVPHTCAS0.wradvisors.com (advphtcas0.wradvisors.com [192.168.203.228]) by emlpfilt2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9AC72F8002; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:43:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from WADPMBXV0.waddell.com ([169.254.1.145]) by ADVPHTCAS0.wradvisors.com ([192.168.203.228]) with mapi; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:43:45 -0600 From: Gary Gatten To: 'Chad Perrin' , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:43:45 -0600 Thread-Topic: Backtick versus $() Thread-Index: AcvUe8uEu0A8JEUNTPGC5KpoA+LUoAAALieQ Message-ID: <20214_1298591025_4D66ED31_20214_734_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD3549A1@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> References: <20110224234044.0df661c1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110224225425.GB13490@guilt.hydra> <20110225001301.e4f6d95f.freebsd@edvax.de> <21929_1298589484_4D66E72C_21929_309_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD35499F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110224233204.GI1983@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110224232606.GA13888@guilt.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20110224232606.GA13888@guilt.hydra> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Subject: RE: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:43:46 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@f= reebsd.org] On Behalf Of Chad Perrin Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 5:26 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 03:32:04PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth Gary Gatten on Thursday, 24 February 2011: > > > > Everyone is wrong! "pfmsh" is the best at everything, period. It > > does everything you can possibly think of today and tomorrow. It > > doesn't require any upgrades, ever. It's 100% secure. It doesn't > > use any memory or other resources, $hit, it doesn't even need to be > > installed; it just "magically" works. > >=20 > > There you have it. >=20 > That one doesn't seem to be in ports. In case you aren't just being sarcastic, I think "pfmsh" is a reference to "pure fucking magic shell". Yes, I was trying to bring an end to this thread with a bit of humor. So f= ar I'd have to say I've failed on both accounts!
"This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 23:50:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F4D10659ED for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:50:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A53478FC0A for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:50:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-22-230-24.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.22.230.24] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PskxG-0004uA-15 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:50:43 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:50:43 -0800 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:50:43 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <20110224235043.GJ1983@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <20110224234044.0df661c1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110224225425.GB13490@guilt.hydra> <20110225001301.e4f6d95f.freebsd@edvax.de> <21929_1298589484_4D66E72C_21929_309_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD35499F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110224233204.GI1983@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110224232606.GA13888@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UlxN1C6awaFNesUv" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110224232606.GA13888@guilt.hydra> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:50:49 -0000 --UlxN1C6awaFNesUv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Chad Perrin on Thursday, 24 February 2011: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 03:32:04PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > > Quoth Gary Gatten on Thursday, 24 February 2011: > > > > > > Everyone is wrong! "pfmsh" is the best at everything, period. It > > > does everything you can possibly think of today and tomorrow. It > > > doesn't require any upgrades, ever. It's 100% secure. It doesn't > > > use any memory or other resources, $hit, it doesn't even need to be > > > installed; it just "magically" works. > > >=20 > > > There you have it. > >=20 > > That one doesn't seem to be in ports. >=20 > In case you aren't just being sarcastic, I think "pfmsh" is a reference > to "pure fucking magic shell". >=20 > --=20 > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Yeah, I got that. Sorry my contributions to the topic are mostly flippant. In my defense, I thought about responding to the "backslash orgy" comment along the lines of "nobody mentioned orgies -- count me in!" But then I though better of it. Doh! --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com --UlxN1C6awaFNesUv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNZu7TAAoJEIpckszW26+R+1cH/19tfSYIpIkadN2b44WGE0Ws 3bwGPYhWbkYcTeeenAKjPwwbjI2xUT4qFA+vZ+eVic6zj6qiN/yASNaLFDkHC5OP Sqm/jKb9r8uE92gMqr3lVTiMshT1RwSM8PE3oeMkRXsEP8zR1fQCcDfWbHCD9LX4 iSz3EmZgY53FABjFF0GfSYZxnKtN4xGE+pa64y2nJ6P8LH5R6zmHlMjsAI0+oA8w fU3LQDSc66xVvMgGARibLCrvUxiYrmLJGjD7hVOClwMrTeD55bm7+jLLPmhyzBAk hAAJSLJOQoDoaTE5hbe/roZU9DHcQM8OLmAuZC9/kpOXwEHd7ZuyoCsNID93AqY= =boQg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UlxN1C6awaFNesUv-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 23:51:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8861A1065694 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:51:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 839273@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 372E38FC16 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:51:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxl31 with SMTP id 31so592248yxl.13 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:51:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=c7vUNPR4463jxFcYVXeVZKSxiCZFOP74VQw7PP++k/c=; b=XKbeelM25d+JZjHO2IOAfMLb4T2sh/lYO9El5IZwo/vneqB4gdp+RHBRPtUUZrwVy+ gmkOCnjZUHOZNGrwGwzmroz02orAEiiw+q/fSXX0lZB59nOa4XoxDrcFpDerFGZWMea+ w6iuwI0l2IifBLxLnCoED2iYaxOh9tnd0xXIA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=u8vlYoqmY74VH8DmKvYMUPNRc+w6KHiylq8j1doFA6gmC1QqHzkJqhFITt9UaIsWAv 1gnlTJdKh9uzUHHs7Xvgbr15u2m5U2BnvQLvlRofob69d7VUdIcvZXiN5z5cWP1Vg5pY 9Hjhuko3qh/XsM/4S/LhJIbg8kKbHUTJp9zLc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.154.3 with SMTP id g3mr2731061ybo.239.1298591122103; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:45:22 -0800 (PST) Sender: 839273@gmail.com Received: by 10.150.215.21 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:45:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110225004219.bfbbbd77.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <4D61599E.4040008@gmail.com> <20110224234044.0df661c1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110224225425.GB13490@guilt.hydra> <20110225001301.e4f6d95f.freebsd@edvax.de> <21929_1298589484_4D66E72C_21929_309_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD35499F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110225004219.bfbbbd77.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:15:22 -0430 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4jpPjk5R14Ph3Q2LQMCvYIgt6mM Message-ID: From: Andres Perera To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Gary Gatten , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: 839273@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:51:46 -0000 On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:18:03 -0600, Gary Gatten wro= te: >> Everyone is wrong! "pfmsh" is the best at everything, period. >> It does everything you can possibly think of today and tomorrow. >> It doesn't require any upgrades, ever. =C2=A0It's 100% secure. >> It doesn't use any memory or other resources, $hit, it doesn't >> even need to be installed; it just "magically" works. >> >> There you have it. > > The standard reply to "is better" or "is the best" is > "I don't like" followed by any arbitrary attribute, > like "but I don't like the color" or "I don't like > the file names". :-) > > Meanwhile, I've looked into mksh and found out that > giving it a standard prompt (user@host:path$) is not > very easy and involves copying two lines from the > manpage (search for PS1) into a config file. It's > not that you can use bash's prompt 1:1 (or csh's). > Completition and history behaviour is nice, better > than bash, in my opinion, and equal to csh (which I > prefer in this regards). adding prompt escapes is trivial, fixing a parser requires a new implementa= tion funny how you point out trivialities and go on to mention one yourself > > Oh "prefer" - it's all very individual, that's why the > system's default shell should be replaced by punched > cards. Everyone likes colorful punched cards. :-) > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 00:01:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCDF9106567A for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:01:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8433E8FC12 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:01:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-143-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.143.131]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB731E75F; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:01:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p1P01Xnr004278; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:01:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:01:33 +0100 From: Polytropon To: 839273@gmail.com Message-Id: <20110225010133.e0744c68.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4D61599E.4040008@gmail.com> <20110224234044.0df661c1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110224225425.GB13490@guilt.hydra> <20110225001301.e4f6d95f.freebsd@edvax.de> <21929_1298589484_4D66E72C_21929_309_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD35499F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110225004219.bfbbbd77.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:01:35 -0000 On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:15:22 -0430, Andres Perera wrote: > funny how you point out trivialities and go on to mention one yourself For an interactive command line shell, it's the "trivialities" that count - for _me_, which indicates that other persons may have very different preferences and requirements. My general impressions are quite good, but they are from a usage point of view, not paying attention to how things are implemented internally. >From my short visit in mksh (which I'm glad to know about now) I found that it does the most things that _I_ do require very well, and even better than bash (although it is more popular). Such trivial things include a standard UNIX prompt (maybe with collapsing $HOME to ~), least interactive comletition behaviour (in opposite to bash), and nice history functions (such as entering a few letters and then parse history with of all command that start that way). Those are things that worked out of the box (except PS1), and that's a really good thing. Additionally, installation went fast, didn't incorporate tons of dependencies, and resulted in a nice small binary - as this would be important today... :-) But it's worth being mentioned. So far, I will see if I will keep using this shell, as it is really promising. Still I would not suggest to remove csh from the system and replace it with mksh. If licensing allows it, it's maybe worth adding mksh to the system, but that is a decision _I_ am not the right person for. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 00:03:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C49106564A for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:03:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.60]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5BFFA8FC0A for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:03:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 13005 invoked by uid 0); 25 Feb 2011 00:03:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2011 00:03:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=KnLoObfiHcWJa6Xkz84Qik15mHH/evY4eCRfpZlsMiCIuvOMMeMMKJD4GfZuhC19d+jqwiIJlrYe6/2U7feRerbPbz9WWLzABY+CDs+2b1GA+X58j24NNbG0fGLkt4ZT; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Psl9d-0002jk-Cz for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:03:30 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:52:43 -0700 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:52:43 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <20110224235243.GA14035@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <20110224234044.0df661c1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110224225425.GB13490@guilt.hydra> <20110225001301.e4f6d95f.freebsd@edvax.de> <21929_1298589484_4D66E72C_21929_309_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD35499F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110224232404.GA13838@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:03:31 -0000 --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:12:55PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > > So far, your complaints translate to "Well, sure, for every concrete > > (t)csh problem I've identified, mksh has similar problems, but it's > > better because I like it." >=20 > you are an obtuse person You have an attitude problem. I will only hold that against *you*, though, and not against your *argument*, just as soon as you present one that is worth the time I spent reading it. >=20 > the author of vi, who is also the author of csh regards it as poor code Good for him. >=20 > the parser is wonky and tcsh built uppon that code instead of basing > their efforts on something solid I take it "wonky" is some technical term with which I am not familiar. >=20 > *you* are the one that's dodging questions Really? What question did I dodge? If you repeat it, and it is not completely full of crap, I'll be happy to address it directly. >=20 > history expansion is in all the modern shells, so it's not a "csh > thing" anymore, and hasn't been for a very long time What does that have to do with it? I never said otherwise. >=20 > every feature in csh is present in other shells, barring repetition > like ls-F (other ls(1) implement colors) I guess that depends on how you define "feature" -- but I don't use csh without the t much, anyway, so that statement is not directly applicable to the interactive shell I have been using most of the time. Also . . . feature counts are not measures of quality. >=20 > what's the justification for ls-F according to the manual? "it's faster > than ls(1)", which amounts to nothing in modern times and is a clear > case of over-optimization Maybe so. >=20 > what's the justification for cat builtin in mksh? the read builtin > partly implements it, so it doesn't even represent new code addition I'm not sure why you're bringing these things up. "They both have instances of the same basic mistake -- implementing functionality that already exists in standard utilities." Well, great. I'm not sure how that has anything to do with mksh being better in all ways. >=20 > it's clearly a different case, and the fact that you can't see this > seems to indicate that you have no idea what you're talking about, > like most of the people on this thread I have to wonder if you even understand your own arguments when you say things like this. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1m70sACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXFlQCgr7wnJeWEJeUbumfiu9COCRWM QvgAoIKHP0irjfiAvRMF55qr4jvG7PVN =nHLI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 00:37:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D0D106566B for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:37:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0AA4C8FC12 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:37:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 30510 invoked by uid 0); 25 Feb 2011 00:37:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2011 00:37:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=jN7A2m1ExDwNnvWimfaFRANjiJ1F2d7OoZ5dt/npPNq36SrWBT9zvZUxbYJ+I/xHLY14Yp7tepW82ZG7096bkS2BSfeSdzAkg4Oy2uXlVakiGuiUVbwW0Arxz2MZagwO; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PslgY-00079p-GA for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:37:31 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:26:44 -0700 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:26:44 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <20110225002644.GA14159@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <20110224234044.0df661c1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110224225425.GB13490@guilt.hydra> <20110225001301.e4f6d95f.freebsd@edvax.de> <21929_1298589484_4D66E72C_21929_309_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD35499F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110224232404.GA13838@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:37:33 -0000 --0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll try to help make it easy for you, since you seem to be having a lot of trouble grasping the concept of actually trying to make a point via logical argument and presentation of evidence: Start with the Wikipedia page comparing command shells [0]. Look through the various tables there -- feel free to ignore the "Programming features" table since it's irrelevant to the question of what makes a good interactive user shell -- to see where shells differ. Based on the differences you find, build up a list of reasons that tcsh is not as good a choice as mksh. Next, offer some examples of common command line syntax rules and how they affect the way we compose commands. Such examples should include stuff like: * environment variable assignment, printing, and export * nesting commands * completion and history access * useful configuration file characteristics and capabilities Then, of course, you can go on to further strengthen your case with references to dependencies, licensing, resource consumption and on-drive size, bugs, and so on. Any of this stuff might actually present a meaningful argument, as opposed to just asserting other people are idiots, claiming you're right with nothing to back it up, and generally waving your hands and making a lot of noise without convincing anyone of anything. (By the way, I'll save you the trouble of referring to the license. I know that mksh uses the same license as the MirOS project, which is a variant of the Historic Permission license. It's a copyfree license; I have no objects to using it on those grounds, personally.) --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1m90QACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUtXQCgyjfOANsK68jawnkXx/MkQkK6 5Q0AoPR9DyLsIJ/Hkf4ElMqenc95jBXg =Ibfd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 00:39:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 221BB106566B for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:39:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 839273@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yi0-f54.google.com (mail-yi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C193E8FC1A for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yib19 with SMTP id 19so607092yib.13 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:39:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LhCw5oUrJw2bTyUbZTZISOH/5zgisUyjQPKMPP3KbLQ=; b=OjDVLxHfAJhG7y1+49HFN0N2bGdNKHSGNQ6qXe0CcasfBsS/AmGN1/byj16WuOebt9 rbMdZKDSI2TmXyoJA10ZGSzXzNWX/dqYJGnPKhQNjr7cymXT9QJiTxK8Po16tg8Mbwf8 oMONKjmgF09I8OPChS/QnqIDEVul6Azx/Q32E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=IenHhCLtmjtvYPdcCs6AWvh82XGwoM/0ySzPGCZXB/jcT9webznp97U9P/EPazSaEv ENrIK+BLNQhznqTiVB98345f4dvgOzAZ5BB7BoyHxWjfK/sshNc3XPzH27vCvqPNRpqc Vwl9ov2XtZ8x2keSm0xpB2pkmuNG1WMwnpkx4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.145.9 with SMTP id s9mr2766045ybd.125.1298594361570; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:39:21 -0800 (PST) Sender: 839273@gmail.com Received: by 10.150.215.21 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:39:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110224235243.GA14035@guilt.hydra> References: <20110224234044.0df661c1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110224225425.GB13490@guilt.hydra> <20110225001301.e4f6d95f.freebsd@edvax.de> <21929_1298589484_4D66E72C_21929_309_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD35499F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110224232404.GA13838@guilt.hydra> <20110224235243.GA14035@guilt.hydra> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:09:21 -0430 X-Google-Sender-Auth: VKxykRJJIWQ13zGbGyKGOqZc9Cg Message-ID: From: Andres Perera To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Chad Perrin Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: 839273@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:39:23 -0000 On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:12:55PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Chad Perrin wrote= : >> > >> > So far, your complaints translate to "Well, sure, for every concrete >> > (t)csh problem I've identified, mksh has similar problems, but it's >> > better because I like it." >> >> you are an obtuse person > > You have an attitude problem. =C2=A0I will only hold that against *you*, > though, and not against your *argument*, just as soon as you present one > that is worth the time I spent reading it. > >> >> the author of vi, who is also the author of csh regards it as poor code > > Good for him. let's pretend you know better by addressing your stupid responses > >> >> the parser is wonky and tcsh built uppon that code instead of basing >> their efforts on something solid > > I take it "wonky" is some technical term with which I am not familiar. % if (0) echo > file % ls file but of course, this is old as hell and was already linked by someone else in this thread ie, you're dodging problems > >> >> *you* are the one that's dodging questions > > Really? =C2=A0What question did I dodge? =C2=A0If you repeat it, and it i= s not > completely full of crap, I'll be happy to address it directly. > >> >> history expansion is in all the modern shells, so it's not a "csh >> thing" anymore, and hasn't been for a very long time > > What does that have to do with it? =C2=A0I never said otherwise. then what other feature in tcsh would leverage against modern shells? why d= o i have to ask you this given that the query was implied a long time ago by more than one person? > >> >> every feature in csh is present in other shells, barring repetition >> like ls-F (other ls(1) implement colors) > > I guess that depends on how you define "feature" -- but I don't use csh > without the t much, anyway, so that statement is not directly applicable > to the interactive shell I have been using most of the time. actually, it does apply because ls-F is a tcsh builtin, not csh do you even know the slightest thing about the shell you use? this information isn't exactly hidden, on the contrary, it's right there in the manual and before you even think about it, yes using both interchangeably is correct because in freebsd, csh is a link to tcsh another display of ignorance and big words without knowing about the subjec= t > > Also . . . feature counts are not measures of quality. in a unix context, more features, specially those that overlap, are regarded as unwanted. no, i'm not going to explain orthogonality and its benefits to you -- it should be basic knowledge by now > > >> >> what's the justification for ls-F according to the manual? "it's faster >> than ls(1)", which amounts to nothing in modern times and is a clear >> case of over-optimization > > Maybe so. > > >> >> what's the justification for cat builtin in mksh? the read builtin >> partly implements it, so it doesn't even represent new code addition > > I'm not sure why you're bringing these things up. =C2=A0"They both have > instances of the same basic mistake -- implementing functionality that > already exists in standard utilities." =C2=A0Well, great. =C2=A0I'm not s= ure how > that has anything to do with mksh being better in all ways. since i pointed out more than feature overlap, this is a weak strawman > > >> >> it's clearly a different case, and the fact that you can't see this >> seems to indicate that you have no idea what you're talking about, >> like most of the people on this thread > > I have to wonder if you even understand your own arguments when you say > things like this. what i can point out is that responding to each sentence out of context is very annoying. if ls-F being over-optimization recieves a "maybe so" qualification, then this is clearly a contradiction a noob accidentaly a tcsh > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 00:44:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 659B01065700 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:44:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 839273@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 167E28FC16 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:44:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyh4 with SMTP id 4so588413gyh.13 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:44:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rcI7IsfGAfj7B5l9OeC0cat8xPXeSPxvHtBo7AWwWME=; b=CjxmrdpQHHEFfZ50lpNnAGOMmU4kmT0US17mdeZR21alVU3WUBm3V7iU6Vl3dznXiB Zs6imaBwAZGRbP1kn6WV0exRcTIjtlFDurroQnV9XX8lgfi7zGPMjgezh5704bm6bdk2 lLgvxdONOjD9tgQdR6QLEU69CJVzzAZpq3H4I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=cuyi+3ka19HsBcz/8jxID9u1K7s7S1y2PRRV0LhkHCRBBTj8WeCGgK0s9xl4WlsWj9 9BNAq9ur6gQC6Qh2Hfdhq+5raePO78XbbtmCzc2cDlAlCMe//Xu4lxG6TwPcgS8ZGAGO mTx6Ui7RSdO0SVXz01oiLyUHaC4ei68HWMrHI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.145.9 with SMTP id s9mr2771522ybd.125.1298594695781; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:44:55 -0800 (PST) Sender: 839273@gmail.com Received: by 10.150.215.21 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:44:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110225002644.GA14159@guilt.hydra> References: <20110224234044.0df661c1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110224225425.GB13490@guilt.hydra> <20110225001301.e4f6d95f.freebsd@edvax.de> <21929_1298589484_4D66E72C_21929_309_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD35499F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110224232404.GA13838@guilt.hydra> <20110225002644.GA14159@guilt.hydra> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:14:55 -0430 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 00fx4rBbBjUpE91fwS2yZqj3oVU Message-ID: From: Andres Perera To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Chad Perrin Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: 839273@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:44:57 -0000 On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > I'll try to help make it easy for you, since you seem to be having a lot > of trouble grasping the concept of actually trying to make a point via > logical argument and presentation of evidence: > > Start with the Wikipedia page comparing command shells [0]. =C2=A0Look th= rough > the various tables there -- feel free to ignore the "Programming > features" table since it's irrelevant to the question of what makes a > good interactive user shell -- to see where shells differ. =C2=A0Based on= the > differences you find, build up a list of reasons that tcsh is not as good > a choice as mksh. no, let's start by looking at the SOURCE CODE REPOSITORY instead of WIKIPED= IA you DROOLING BUFFOON > > Next, offer some examples of common command line syntax rules and how > they affect the way we compose commands. =C2=A0Such examples should inclu= de > stuff like: > > * environment variable assignment, printing, and export export is the same as environment variable assignment in this context why is this relevant to interactive shells and not scripting? arbitrary > * nesting commands "nesting" commands? another programming paradigm? > * completion and history access modern ksh variants include file completion, tcsh does arbitrary completion through aliases the second is arguably misguided since unix is file-centric, not --long-option-centric > * useful configuration file characteristics and capabilities define "useful" > > Then, of course, you can go on to further strengthen your case with > references to dependencies, licensing, resource consumption and on-drive > size, bugs, and so on. no, bugs is the primary concern because the underlying design is more important than having flashy lights if you disagree then you are retarded and the exchange concludes just explicitly say it: "i don't care if the shell is bugged from hell and = back" > > Any of this stuff might actually present a meaningful argument, as > opposed to just asserting other people are idiots, claiming you're right > with nothing to back it up, and generally waving your hands and making a > lot of noise without convincing anyone of anything. > > (By the way, I'll save you the trouble of referring to the license. =C2= =A0I > know that mksh uses the same license as the MirOS project, which is a > variant of the Historic Permission license. =C2=A0It's a copyfree license= ; I > have no objects to using it on those grounds, personally.) > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 01:00:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 039D2106566B for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:00:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6FCF8FC08 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:00:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-22-230-24.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.22.230.24] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Psm2v-0001v7-4P for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:00:38 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:00:39 -0800 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:00:39 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <20110225010037.GA25929@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <20110224234044.0df661c1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110224225425.GB13490@guilt.hydra> <20110225001301.e4f6d95f.freebsd@edvax.de> <21929_1298589484_4D66E72C_21929_309_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD35499F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110224232404.GA13838@guilt.hydra> <20110225002644.GA14159@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:00:44 -0000 --82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Andres Perera on Thursday, 24 February 2011: [snip] >=20 > no, let's start by looking at the SOURCE CODE REPOSITORY instead of WIKIP= EDIA > you DROOLING BUFFOON >=20 [snip] > if you disagree then you are retarded and the exchange concludes >=20 [snip] Resorting to personal insults doesn't help make your case. There is fertile ground for discussion here if you'd only look for it. --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com --82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNZv81AAoJEIpckszW26+RSvkIAKUmkQN/aH3MxNmXlUQRDfaF qkxh+vzlApROGudWXSXMT/lTJ/U9+YYdS4iB7Y99L1dBIrSCG9qdqvri20YAF85E fOA4OZnr4vQ7KpIfBIhPk/0YzUBqKI5m+LFFg31EUurryNTlQPhgA2vLdQAVR6Ya xTwF8mjrR9VuyAhMN41wCwYDGRlstI5gITjBv4Ok9VUsgjh3l+JqOHLppMSrT5zN UcKjyMbEgR9BcwsaeL688rDuk7I8UaO806lE/Dx0jvhgrY9qKkPhrs3Yzhefq/Aj xTqIwpP0qBzgW3vGZpIjfxI1cjQ1WzQxKm1RszuNlq1ZSgqFro4cVd0uAUdJJEg= =D4x0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 01:06:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CFE11065670 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:06:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 839273@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFFDE8FC0C for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:06:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk7 with SMTP id 7so598955gxk.13 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:06:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JkHPJgumLAb8jxT9hWBWlBbaaCG16DINRWrJ8rCGtPA=; b=MVThsEzqpJM2VXBbvFryQ5VdYlkn8OOH5MnniOJoLWudZ7kOfsjai00t+oqP5FwKrE XjC03F3xM4dz6GBspD9B0eHEXDaJOFpaiUiYbGUEjRBUf3PYKC508CEh9Ct4CY3M61jV umK/La8OYqNCYiMTsO33v3qnSIxhf/za9fETQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=QC4JEdmPvojAcQSJ1Wwt/0SUeHtF3Cw/K8Vd6p6WiU+KXHnCVoNEryU7M6Mrduh0tN sPDHhinaBvwNRIjlzwN3OToZbQaneZwFmnV+Et3rOF5hhV5cIS6twTcmtDnOHvwggGRF ouAGzOZbQ2BN6JeCffV2eS9AZL3cJ+GBquEWo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.148.14 with SMTP id a14mr2739237ybo.410.1298596013928; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:06:53 -0800 (PST) Sender: 839273@gmail.com Received: by 10.150.215.21 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:06:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110225010037.GA25929@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> References: <20110224234044.0df661c1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110224225425.GB13490@guilt.hydra> <20110225001301.e4f6d95f.freebsd@edvax.de> <21929_1298589484_4D66E72C_21929_309_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD35499F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110224232404.GA13838@guilt.hydra> <20110225002644.GA14159@guilt.hydra> <20110225010037.GA25929@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:36:53 -0430 X-Google-Sender-Auth: NuPBU166XHRXG4WfDE1hunMyYTE Message-ID: From: Andres Perera To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Chip Camden Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: 839273@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:06:55 -0000 On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth Andres Perera on Thursday, 24 February 2011: > > [snip] >> >> no, let's start by looking at the SOURCE CODE REPOSITORY instead of WIKI= PEDIA >> you DROOLING BUFFOON >> > [snip] > >> if you disagree then you are retarded and the exchange concludes >> > [snip] > > Resorting to personal insults doesn't help make your case. =C2=A0There is > fertile ground for discussion here if you'd only look for it. nor does insulting you (which is very easy) invalidate the other lines of t= ext you are sidestepping, again how about you admit the whole discussion is a little over your head? specially your claim of ls-F not being tcsh (sad that i know more about your shell than you do) > > -- > Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F > http://chipsquips.com =C2=A0| http://camdensoftware.com =C2=A0 | http://c= hipstips.com > btw, would you stop putting ads on your signature? it's annoying even more so when combined with your sad display of ignorance thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 01:24:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCA6B106566C for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:24:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 843338FC14 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:24:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 27150 invoked by uid 0); 25 Feb 2011 01:24:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2011 01:24:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=Ir5g3e8709XRNh3w42LgoY3JCxvlm3zUWoZ30YRzBcaw6t8/C1ttpm2MADSwH/YsRM54G9OQbbAC36WI5oUTsYjQCLcTcm4DjmXhVADUCrVF9Co35jc2/3NJk71FML3E; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PsmQC-0001yb-TN for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 18:24:42 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 18:13:55 -0700 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 18:13:55 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <20110225011355.GA14304@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <20110224234044.0df661c1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110224225425.GB13490@guilt.hydra> <20110225001301.e4f6d95f.freebsd@edvax.de> <21929_1298589484_4D66E72C_21929_309_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD35499F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110224232404.GA13838@guilt.hydra> <20110224235243.GA14035@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:24:42 -0000 --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 08:09:21PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:12:55PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: > >> > >> the author of vi, who is also the author of csh regards it as poor code > > > > Good for him. >=20 > let's pretend you know better by addressing your stupid responses Why are you such a troll? > >> > >> the parser is wonky and tcsh built uppon that code instead of basing > >> their efforts on something solid > > > > I take it "wonky" is some technical term with which I am not familiar. >=20 > % if (0) echo > file > % ls > file >=20 > but of course, this is old as hell and was already linked by someone > else in this thread >=20 > ie, you're dodging problems I didn't dodge a problem. I ignored something largely irrelevant to interactive use that *you* didn't bring up, anyway. Is that your only complaint about it being "wonky"? > >> > >> *you* are the one that's dodging questions > > > > Really? =A0What question did I dodge? =A0If you repeat it, and it is not > > completely full of crap, I'll be happy to address it directly. Good job. Usually, you'd be more effective pretending I didn't call you on something if you did not requote it. > >> > >> history expansion is in all the modern shells, so it's not a "csh > >> thing" anymore, and hasn't been for a very long time > > > > What does that have to do with it? =A0I never said otherwise. >=20 > then what other feature in tcsh would leverage against modern shells? > why do i have to ask you this given that the query was implied a long > time ago by more than one person? Why do you think "more features" automatically equals "better"? > >> > >> every feature in csh is present in other shells, barring repetition > >> like ls-F (other ls(1) implement colors) > > > > I guess that depends on how you define "feature" -- but I don't use csh > > without the t much, anyway, so that statement is not directly applicable > > to the interactive shell I have been using most of the time. >=20 > actually, it does apply because ls-F is a tcsh builtin, not csh No, it doesn't apply, because the "barring" clause is not the primary clause of that statement. The primary clause, and the point to which I responded, was "every feature in csh is present in other shells". >=20 > do you even know the slightest thing about the shell you use? Have you already forgotten what you, yourself, said -- even when you quoted it back to me? You said more than "ls-F". I responded to that "more". I left the "ls-F" clause in there to preserve some context for you. >=20 > this information isn't exactly hidden, on the contrary, it's right > there in the manual >=20 > and before you even think about it, yes using both interchangeably is > correct because in freebsd, csh is a link to tcsh That doesn't make using the terms interchangeably "correct". It just makes it lazy. If I execute a shell with "csh" it behaves differently than if I execute it with "tcsh", which is relevant to discussions of features it provides for interactive use. > > > > Also . . . feature counts are not measures of quality. >=20 > in a unix context, more features, specially those that overlap, are > regarded as unwanted. no, i'm not going to explain orthogonality and > its benefits to you -- it should be basic knowledge by now My statement that feature counts are not measures of quality was in reference to your brilliant statement above that csh is not as good as other shells because they have all the (useful) features of csh, but more. I just questioned the value of "but more" in your implied argument. Thank you for reinforcing my argument for me. > > > > I'm not sure why you're bringing these things up. =A0"They both have > > instances of the same basic mistake -- implementing functionality that > > already exists in standard utilities." =A0Well, great. =A0I'm not sure = how > > that has anything to do with mksh being better in all ways. >=20 > since i pointed out more than feature overlap, this is a weak strawman It's not a straw man. It's a direct response to something *you* said. If you want to concede this point, feel free -- but don't claim that the fact you concede this point is proof that I'm not arguing "fairly" somehow. > >> > >> it's clearly a different case, and the fact that you can't see this > >> seems to indicate that you have no idea what you're talking about, > >> like most of the people on this thread > > > > I have to wonder if you even understand your own arguments when you > > say things like this. >=20 > what i can point out is that responding to each sentence out of context > is very annoying. if ls-F being over-optimization recieves a "maybe so" > qualification, then this is clearly a contradiction I'm responding to each point as a point. What am I supposed to do instead -- just take your approach, never address any specifics, and declare myself the winner? No thanks, I don't want to descend to your level of ineptitude at communicating with human beings. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1nAlMACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKW+8gCg9BSxl9jwTkZr5b1fcW3C8vKz hc4An2QT7sbTto4EI7apfq/9GKGeVcj7 =AUbN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 01:27:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F96F1065670 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:27:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B116D8FC12 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:27:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm19 with SMTP id 19so1374184fxm.13 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:27:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ci1wN9UVhU8eQrEHPrpeplofM6ixs5gyywuTzw6g2nI=; b=Ex2nFC2X2OXBu4zZPQnDZoVxFbQ5F++weQl1IZtQSeZQswvl+4FI13kkcPdtaFJANK uGsQnu9y7SYZuKL2axs7vSnQCz0M74DrmJ2whr17HY43Eex8vBFVTLRHDvy7I1vq0FUK rnU0jcVgFBH8mqEi6/2wqaFLxpFoeEAXhCZUg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kHQXkDLnwN3pOaX/CDThQoUTsscWJRkPBM0BGUlXvlGtQBJPK9REKKb8pYYCckNgua X/91/IztsH7/rBmCpEiSzqg5R/POQqbAgqGIbDK3dA0TJ7AF5hJPn6LN/LqyP0VMnqoh E63XTeZplBDocHwLbZY1jfzPyAdkbekMlls1k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.85.208 with SMTP id p16mr1865998fal.107.1298597220556; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:27:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.103.4 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:27:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110224223924.GF1983@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> References: <20110224213322.GA13089@guilt.hydra> <20110224221057.GA13262@guilt.hydra> <20110224223924.GF1983@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:27:00 -0500 Message-ID: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Chip Camden Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:27:02 -0000 On 24 February 2011 17:39, Chip Camden wrote: . . . > Though I dislike the OP's dismissal of backticks, I must admit that I > would prefer that the standard shell be at least Bourne-compatible. =A0I > use csh for root for all the reasons that you shouldn't change your root > shell. =A0I suppose I could change root to /bin/sh, but that doesn't even > have command recall. The injunction against changing root's shell is mostly against changing root's shell to something that does not reside in "/". --=20 -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 01:37:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7722106564A for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:37:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [66.147.249.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F7CA8FC08 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:37:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 9452 invoked by uid 0); 25 Feb 2011 01:37:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy1.bluehost.com.bluehost.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2011 01:37:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=Pc2YjLVeEHIjpp6FAh+7LRJUJ6Lucz9gVX9vXZV491xFcVPygsS1Lqp153p6/BJ/OOegghM0ZZ5uVuGXLPXg9NmPPmWMdedXn8wA59Xa/JrJ3Z8qBPjpgLWowKqcKtU+; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Psmc9-0007GT-TX for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 18:37:02 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 18:26:16 -0700 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 18:26:16 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <20110225012616.GB14304@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <20110224234044.0df661c1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110224225425.GB13490@guilt.hydra> <20110225001301.e4f6d95f.freebsd@edvax.de> <21929_1298589484_4D66E72C_21929_309_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD35499F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110224232404.GA13838@guilt.hydra> <20110225002644.GA14159@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="O5XBE6gyVG5Rl6Rj" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:37:03 -0000 --O5XBE6gyVG5Rl6Rj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 08:14:55PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > > I'll try to help make it easy for you, since you seem to be having a > > lot of trouble grasping the concept of actually trying to make a > > point via logical argument and presentation of evidence: > > > > Start with the Wikipedia page comparing command shells [0]. =A0Look > > through the various tables there -- feel free to ignore the > > "Programming features" table since it's irrelevant to the question of > > what makes a good interactive user shell -- to see where shells > > differ. =A0Based on the differences you find, build up a list of > > reasons that tcsh is not as good a choice as mksh. >=20 > no, let's start by looking at the SOURCE CODE REPOSITORY instead of > WIKIPEDIA If you find something inaccurate there, feel free to dispute it. I don't mind that at all. I was just offering you a place to start (which is all an encyclopedia is anyway; never treat it as the final word). If that's too difficult for you to understand, I'll try to avoid holding it against you. >=20 > you DROOLING BUFFOON I might hold *that* against you, though -- even if it just hurts *you* in this community, rather than me. > > > > Next, offer some examples of common command line syntax rules and how > > they affect the way we compose commands. =A0Such examples should > > include stuff like: > > > > * environment variable assignment, printing, and export >=20 > export is the same as environment variable assignment in this context It is not always the same. Define "this context" so that your statement makes more sense, please. >=20 > why is this relevant to interactive shells and not scripting? Have you never, ever set an environment variable temporarily within an interactive shell -- such as when using make? How little do you actually use a shell to not realize that this might be relevant to interactive shell preference? > > > > * nesting commands >=20 > "nesting" commands? another programming paradigm? Nope. It's something people sometimes do when issuing shell commands. Have you never used backticks or dollar-parentheses to nest commands? > > > > * completion and history access >=20 > modern ksh variants include file completion, tcsh does arbitrary > completion through aliases I don't see any examples here. >=20 > the second is arguably misguided since unix is file-centric, not > --long-option-centric What does that have to do with it? > > > > * useful configuration file characteristics and capabilities >=20 > define "useful" I guess that might be up to you, to some extent. I was just trying to offer you ideas for how to make a reasoned response, rather than go on ranting without substance. > > > > Then, of course, you can go on to further strengthen your case with > > references to dependencies, licensing, resource consumption and > > on-drive size, bugs, and so on. >=20 > no, bugs is the primary concern because the underlying design is more > important than having flashy lights >=20 > if you disagree then you are retarded and the exchange concludes Whether I agree with it or not is irrelevant, since you have not mentioned any bugs. =2E . . and whether bugs are the biggest problem in no way proves that other problems do not exist or are not relevant. >=20 > just explicitly say it: "i don't care if the shell is bugged from hell > and back" I think you mean "to hell and back". =2E . . and I never said I don't care if it's buggy. You also haven't started listing bugs, so it's a moot point. Pay close attention to this next paragraph: > > > > Any of this stuff might actually present a meaningful argument, as > > opposed to just asserting other people are idiots, claiming you're > > right with nothing to back it up, and generally waving your hands and > > making a lot of noise without convincing anyone of anything. Notice you still have not bothered to offer anything substantive. I essentially gave you a howto, and you still managed to fail. I get the impression you actually do not know anything about these shells that you have not already said, and are (in effect) screaming invective at me to avoid having to admit you have no reasonable argument to offer. Your most meaningful arguments so far are claims that I drool. Unfortunately, it is very difficult to prove a negative, so I have no evidence to support my assertion that, in the general case, I certainly do not drool. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --O5XBE6gyVG5Rl6Rj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1nBTgACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUBfQCeI/wX0K/NyBmB3JGcne0PjAnu jN8AoPTWo6ojUWqlzPjMVFPXXQ8fSyH9 =znfl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --O5XBE6gyVG5Rl6Rj-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 01:42:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6D51065670 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:42:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EA2E18FC16 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:42:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 7082 invoked by uid 0); 25 Feb 2011 01:42:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2011 01:42:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=NFEEzQv/U0lP/j9CssWUEFitdfSurmu35Jo6MNkVE5XAcoosQobzxIVl/2HQaMZvM3YXlp0U/5cjvFSeKhaz5iMRALnkaUOARxi17dw1fyrxgHDj/jvNAeiSybdS+IPc; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PsmhO-0004qc-7Q for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 18:42:27 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 18:31:40 -0700 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 18:31:40 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <20110225013140.GC14304@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <20110224225425.GB13490@guilt.hydra> <20110225001301.e4f6d95f.freebsd@edvax.de> <21929_1298589484_4D66E72C_21929_309_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD35499F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110224232404.GA13838@guilt.hydra> <20110225002644.GA14159@guilt.hydra> <20110225010037.GA25929@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="m51xatjYGsM+13rf" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:42:29 -0000 --m51xatjYGsM+13rf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 08:36:53PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Chip Camden > wrote: > > Quoth Andres Perera on Thursday, 24 February 2011: > > > > [snip] > >> > >> no, let's start by looking at the SOURCE CODE REPOSITORY instead of > >> WIKIPEDIA you DROOLING BUFFOON > >> > > [snip] > > > >> if you disagree then you are retarded and the exchange concludes > >> > > [snip] > > > > Resorting to personal insults doesn't help make your case. =A0There is > > fertile ground for discussion here if you'd only look for it. >=20 > nor does insulting you (which is very easy) invalidate the other lines > of text That wasn't me. I could make some insulting references to failings of yours that resulted in this mistake on your part, but I really do not think that's necessary. It is much more fun to just watch you self-destruct. By the way, it may not invalidate the other lines of text, but it does rather effectively eclipse them. The other lines of text are essentially invalidated by their own lack of reasoned argumentation, anyway. >=20 > you are sidestepping, again Again, that wasn't me. >=20 > how about you admit the whole discussion is a little over your head? Still wasn't me. >=20 > specially your claim of ls-F not being tcsh (sad that i know more > about your shell than you do) Not only was it not me to whom you replied here, but I did not claim that "ls-F" is not "tcsh". Read *my* actual reply for the explanation of where you went flying off into never-never-right-land on that one. > > -- > > Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F > > http://chipsquips.com =A0| http://camdensoftware.com =A0 | http://chips= tips.com > > >=20 > btw, would you stop putting ads on your signature? it's annoying How can you take note of the content of his signature block enough to comment on it like that without noticing it's nothing like my own signature block? Mine is below. Compare, and try to remember that you look like an asshole to more than one person here. >=20 > even more so when combined with your sad display of ignorance Nope -- not me this time, either. >=20 > thanks I wonder if Sterling Camden will offer a "you're welcome" to your hostile reception. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --m51xatjYGsM+13rf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1nBnwACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVt2wCfXhAuRhqD4fWSXWF3/H3Aw18Q V6gAn3kXfBuJoHYABDFXkq7gte961BqV =kK2d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --m51xatjYGsM+13rf-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 01:43:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C11E10656A5 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:43:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 839273@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gw0-f44.google.com (mail-gw0-f44.google.com [74.125.83.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D1578FC1C for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:43:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwaa18 with SMTP id a18so1181585gwa.17 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:43:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bF6+KgeQCun4anzfcpmuYGBnwS4o5FjE+7uF7lz1YTU=; b=fzeisxYb55ICj3KElkXwekK5aYTkfqbDXdKpYPA6S0YOqZqlWwIuXkVqkoYKptZYg/ 3rrg7ePvE+4DY5xKpH4D+gewvs2t8IHBh54ZTJQTfbT+e+oVJF6x+jAM9unvHHKMNiPa 6cwVHl/LfZ1eCgnHVH3kSPkpYtEBwz6KKrhQI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=nC5A+j4r9zap6jbhWqY3f4B067qipG3ZMp+Q5ESHnTtrXSLg0bXDyA6hbX6uG3kmJR u7ogc1mEqUIpgkFukivP8MXVJnF0ILw908jUzuwuItd6f8AOAd0Usx0TosOahGo496Gi UW/b9WFX92b0P5Xh1DC4JoQXVA833dtORM+FI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.145.11 with SMTP id x11mr2883497ybn.182.1298598204927; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:43:24 -0800 (PST) Sender: 839273@gmail.com Received: by 10.150.215.21 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:43:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110225011355.GA14304@guilt.hydra> References: <20110224234044.0df661c1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110224225425.GB13490@guilt.hydra> <20110225001301.e4f6d95f.freebsd@edvax.de> <21929_1298589484_4D66E72C_21929_309_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD35499F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110224232404.GA13838@guilt.hydra> <20110224235243.GA14035@guilt.hydra> <20110225011355.GA14304@guilt.hydra> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:13:24 -0430 X-Google-Sender-Auth: aCaf_0CrCeuoWyKGjFR32r9ypjY Message-ID: From: Andres Perera To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Chad Perrin Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: 839273@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:43:26 -0000 On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 08:09:21PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Chad Perrin wrote= : >> > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:12:55PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: >> >> >> >> the author of vi, who is also the author of csh regards it as poor co= de >> > >> > Good for him. >> >> let's pretend you know better by addressing your stupid responses > > Why are you such a troll? the only trolling itt has been perpetuated by you early on by being randoml= y argumentative against thorsten without knowing the slightest about the topi= c > > >> >> >> >> the parser is wonky and tcsh built uppon that code instead of basing >> >> their efforts on something solid >> > >> > I take it "wonky" is some technical term with which I am not familiar. >> >> % if (0) echo > file >> % ls >> file >> >> but of course, this is old as hell and was already linked by someone >> else in this thread >> >> ie, you're dodging problems > > I didn't dodge a problem. =C2=A0I ignored something largely irrelevant to > interactive use that *you* didn't bring up, anyway. > > Is that your only complaint about it being "wonky"? % if ($?asd && $asd =3D=3D str) echo true (let's quote every line that was linked before) > > >> >> >> >> *you* are the one that's dodging questions >> > >> > Really? =C2=A0What question did I dodge? =C2=A0If you repeat it, and i= t is not >> > completely full of crap, I'll be happy to address it directly. > > Good job. =C2=A0Usually, you'd be more effective pretending I didn't call= you > on something if you did not requote it. > > >> >> >> >> history expansion is in all the modern shells, so it's not a "csh >> >> thing" anymore, and hasn't been for a very long time >> > >> > What does that have to do with it? =C2=A0I never said otherwise. >> >> then what other feature in tcsh would leverage against modern shells? >> why do i have to ask you this given that the query was implied a long >> time ago by more than one person? > > Why do you think "more features" automatically equals "better"? actually, i've been consistently argueing against the opposite hence my calling out of redundant builtins reading comprehension 101 > > >> >> >> >> every feature in csh is present in other shells, barring repetition >> >> like ls-F (other ls(1) implement colors) >> > >> > I guess that depends on how you define "feature" -- but I don't use cs= h >> > without the t much, anyway, so that statement is not directly applicab= le >> > to the interactive shell I have been using most of the time. >> >> actually, it does apply because ls-F is a tcsh builtin, not csh > > No, it doesn't apply, because the "barring" clause is not the primary > clause of that statement. =C2=A0The primary clause, and the point to whic= h I > responded, was "every feature in csh is present in other shells". again sidestepping that you didn't know that ls-F was a tcsh builtin and claimed the opposite you are a boring, because you don't know what you're talking about and don'= t admit it i see that the trend continues throughout the rest of this mail... > > >> >> do you even know the slightest thing about the shell you use? > > Have you already forgotten what you, yourself, said -- even when you > quoted it back to me? =C2=A0You said more than "ls-F". =C2=A0I responded = to that > "more". =C2=A0I left the "ls-F" clause in there to preserve some context = for > you. > > >> >> this information isn't exactly hidden, on the contrary, it's right >> there in the manual >> >> and before you even think about it, yes using both interchangeably is >> correct because in freebsd, csh is a link to tcsh > > That doesn't make using the terms interchangeably "correct". =C2=A0It jus= t > makes it lazy. =C2=A0If I execute a shell with "csh" it behaves different= ly > than if I execute it with "tcsh", which is relevant to discussions of > features it provides for interactive use. > > >> > >> > Also . . . feature counts are not measures of quality. >> >> in a unix context, more features, specially those that overlap, are >> regarded as unwanted. no, i'm not going to explain orthogonality and >> its benefits to you -- it should be basic knowledge by now > > My statement that feature counts are not measures of quality was in > reference to your brilliant statement above that csh is not as good as > other shells because they have all the (useful) features of csh, but > more. =C2=A0I just questioned the value of "but more" in your implied > argument. > > Thank you for reinforcing my argument for me. > > >> > >> > I'm not sure why you're bringing these things up. =C2=A0"They both hav= e >> > instances of the same basic mistake -- implementing functionality that >> > already exists in standard utilities." =C2=A0Well, great. =C2=A0I'm no= t sure how >> > that has anything to do with mksh being better in all ways. >> >> since i pointed out more than feature overlap, this is a weak strawman > > It's not a straw man. =C2=A0It's a direct response to something *you* sai= d. > If you want to concede this point, feel free -- but don't claim that the > fact you concede this point is proof that I'm not arguing "fairly" > somehow. > > >> >> >> >> it's clearly a different case, and the fact that you can't see this >> >> seems to indicate that you have no idea what you're talking about, >> >> like most of the people on this thread >> > >> > I have to wonder if you even understand your own arguments when you >> > say things like this. >> >> what i can point out is that responding to each sentence out of context >> is very annoying. if ls-F being over-optimization recieves a "maybe so" >> qualification, then this is clearly a contradiction > > I'm responding to each point as a point. =C2=A0What am I supposed to do > instead -- just take your approach, never address any specifics, and > declare myself the winner? =C2=A0No thanks, I don't want to descend to yo= ur > level of ineptitude at communicating with human beings. > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 01:45:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C4BD106564A for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:45:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 839273@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BF5F8FC0C for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:45:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk7 with SMTP id 7so611168gxk.13 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:45:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IlCfodIxQtoh7SIW60GdQ7Ezo78b4eDami1dmlsy6qs=; b=F20o72qiiFT1HvgWPTTMq90qqoiyv2RppsDqiJB71FAmLyPai1Hd/TRhzzI1PcxDKy LsXuK+KKh38ZODbXlwZ6gJ/cwuTSq/OxAOxFfdUYV8SuapvnmpvqDARkj+O8jdTzq+Ri 1VFuAOqTQ0E1uHqIxgETntbKLXJWos8i6VRZQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=Rpsb0NN/vSszy4ve9DE4xhik5k2041uTfPlz14h1zcRyjHPv0nV0mMBC2mvU9F6qbb 65x1iNcnA5dZwX+33DAJjQsJqFYgSKFsA62n0524Fj4B4iercqMnK9znllqRJfTaM9oc +tFc3XDRjzV/S2pks1mDmfMOh5R0a2DkPJFxs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.39.19 with SMTP id r19mr2945241ybj.11.1298598330925; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:45:30 -0800 (PST) Sender: 839273@gmail.com Received: by 10.150.215.21 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:45:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110225013140.GC14304@guilt.hydra> References: <20110224225425.GB13490@guilt.hydra> <20110225001301.e4f6d95f.freebsd@edvax.de> <21929_1298589484_4D66E72C_21929_309_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD35499F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110224232404.GA13838@guilt.hydra> <20110225002644.GA14159@guilt.hydra> <20110225010037.GA25929@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110225013140.GC14304@guilt.hydra> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:15:30 -0430 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Sio4jwz0qmBen3rWg6XAkknsWn8 Message-ID: From: Andres Perera To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Chad Perrin Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: 839273@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:45:34 -0000 On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 08:36:53PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Chip Camden >> wrote: >> > Quoth Andres Perera on Thursday, 24 February 2011: >> > >> > [snip] >> >> >> >> no, let's start by looking at the SOURCE CODE REPOSITORY instead of >> >> WIKIPEDIA you DROOLING BUFFOON >> >> >> > [snip] >> > >> >> if you disagree then you are retarded and the exchange concludes >> >> >> > [snip] >> > >> > Resorting to personal insults doesn't help make your case. =C2=A0There= is >> > fertile ground for discussion here if you'd only look for it. >> >> nor does insulting you (which is very easy) invalidate the other lines >> of text > > That wasn't me. =C2=A0I could make some insulting references to failings = of > yours that resulted in this mistake on your part, but I really do not > think that's necessary. =C2=A0It is much more fun to just watch you > self-destruct. it doesn't matter if it wasn't you if you're all retarded then you are all effectively the same person > > By the way, it may not invalidate the other lines of text, but it does > rather effectively eclipse them. > > The other lines of text are essentially invalidated by their own lack of > reasoned argumentation, anyway. > > >> >> you are sidestepping, again > > Again, that wasn't me. > > >> >> how about you admit the whole discussion is a little over your head? > > Still wasn't me. > > >> >> specially your claim of ls-F not being tcsh (sad that i know more >> about your shell than you do) > > Not only was it not me to whom you replied here, but I did not claim that > "ls-F" is not "tcsh". =C2=A0Read *my* actual reply for the explanation of > where you went flying off into never-never-right-land on that one. > > >> > -- >> > Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F >> > http://chipsquips.com =C2=A0| http://camdensoftware.com =C2=A0 | http:= //chipstips.com >> > >> >> btw, would you stop putting ads on your signature? it's annoying > > How can you take note of the content of his signature block enough to > comment on it like that without noticing it's nothing like my own > signature block? =C2=A0Mine is below. =C2=A0Compare, and try to remember = that you > look like an asshole to more than one person here. > > >> >> even more so when combined with your sad display of ignorance > > Nope -- not me this time, either. > > >> >> thanks > > I wonder if Sterling Camden will offer a "you're welcome" to your hostile > reception. > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 01:57:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F09AF1065670 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:57:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFFC88FC12 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:57:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-22-230-24.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.22.230.24] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Psmva-0005to-Od for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:57:07 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:57:08 -0800 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:57:08 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <20110225015708.GA70983@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <21929_1298589484_4D66E72C_21929_309_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD35499F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110224232404.GA13838@guilt.hydra> <20110225002644.GA14159@guilt.hydra> <20110225010037.GA25929@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110225013140.GC14304@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:57:14 -0000 --gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Andres Perera on Thursday, 24 February 2011: > > > > That wasn't me. =A0I could make some insulting references to failings of > > yours that resulted in this mistake on your part, but I really do not > > think that's necessary. =A0It is much more fun to just watch you > > self-destruct. >=20 > it doesn't matter if it wasn't you >=20 > if you're all retarded then you are all effectively the same person >=20 I wonder what Andres will think of this thread if he ever gets around to re-reading it after recovering from his meth hangover tomorrow. > > > >> > >> thanks > > > > I wonder if Sterling Camden will offer a "you're welcome" to your hosti= le > > reception. > > You're welcome, Andres! Now go sleep it off. --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com --gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNZwx0AAoJEIpckszW26+RzRYH/R7Rmioiqklnftr53/qNaRdn 8Ppb9JM4aAhcA9AcLzBaN+P9FGCnnYP7A1r5LDzXOA3bR7YhITxXj8WASI4KoquQ yC+KPUaYK3/YcDeACt7S9bu/4ffMfamqBib9H/9vLu62oumDUpEPFlq/YaWGZNRp K+UAYpidRqpfsom6KPmp13OR66bMWQRmPPL4sAoemMb9dEzoKrVTV11mF3e5EK9W 6/PSvbiVzJZNEf3805DLMS2dPe8j9gc29euZIIbvEEFIrAO0E7ZevK6CuRqB7ky1 eXk7l2HQuB3cq9Bwty6REqU3TI3z2P50SLv71EXmKVwywtgkpWObz0BqIz564eA= =QD17 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 02:23:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFFDC1065670 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:23:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 81C758FC16 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:23:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 13239 invoked by uid 0); 25 Feb 2011 02:23:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2011 02:23:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=W2A5C0lBjkVrKhYGqy3dxaZE6zfz+QRSTXG5aE0qOWhIVcV4kAxpUyBK5Dmj5vxfnhjqy23Kosrcw2qkQsnz8QKAIgJyZsH5VJzSkJoWkscIEWxXt5iQX3CK1uAqAWES; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PsnKn-0000NU-K9 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:23:10 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:12:23 -0700 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:12:23 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <20110225021223.GA14459@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <21929_1298589484_4D66E72C_21929_309_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD35499F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110224232404.GA13838@guilt.hydra> <20110225002644.GA14159@guilt.hydra> <20110225010037.GA25929@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110225013140.GC14304@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:23:11 -0000 --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 09:15:30PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: >=20 > it doesn't matter if it wasn't you >=20 > if you're all retarded then you are all effectively the same person I see. Suggesting that slinging insults makes him retarded. You are naught but a troll. Killfiled. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1nEAcACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUG0wCghz65Fx7zW9K+GicE/elg4OZ1 4wQAoKoIFdqyFDtNw0cNhQ7L9PMe9R57 =ZKIV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 02:27:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE171065674 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:27:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 839273@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E768FC14 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:27:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyh4 with SMTP id 4so621480gyh.13 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 18:27:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Y3D8uVy+/s174r+kMT6o8y+d1feYMh7TJcHnEv9WaZY=; b=iY9xvHF+6lklOGUn98DJPycbqOxJ05VGHC2JzTxM3RRLGkFnWCIwwEYjdDcTprco/B aWGCnJBTN7V6lPkJcqEAjFfQ7mJ4bpBjKdy5Ei1Y/PwalT1RwlD3/SA2oV2cP5KVdd2r fhEUR1ZwImFPYLWP94D6pZ/uZ6bguB1DF2zTo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=EK1zMCVkgGY37203j3pra9Fg8/BTmV9oXCaEFtB0ovKr5epzB3mlihdb/YkN2vlTk1 0vzrGOpf9BpCfyLpmbZ57lUPH4QHmKbOcAAOG4EJtgHPH9qxfHfZd8XvjoT0NzQZPFzv Ytt9/EEoBPHBnmWp3tjZO8kjRPGR1jFpqPvqk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.145.9 with SMTP id s9mr2865815ybd.125.1298600828913; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 18:27:08 -0800 (PST) Sender: 839273@gmail.com Received: by 10.150.215.21 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 18:27:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110225021223.GA14459@guilt.hydra> References: <21929_1298589484_4D66E72C_21929_309_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD35499F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110224232404.GA13838@guilt.hydra> <20110225002644.GA14159@guilt.hydra> <20110225010037.GA25929@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110225013140.GC14304@guilt.hydra> <20110225021223.GA14459@guilt.hydra> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:57:08 -0430 X-Google-Sender-Auth: _l7sWeSSUQ34WJIEjmcYwjN2OJw Message-ID: From: Andres Perera To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Chad Perrin Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: 839273@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:27:10 -0000 On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > You are naught but a troll. =C2=A0Killfiled. actually im the only person that bothered explaining the 2 noobs at the start of the thread how shell works then a buncha jokers started talking about tcsh you are the trolls that aren't contributing everything and one of them still hasnt admitted their part on the ls-F fiasco they think they can argue their way out of everything a buncha noobs is what you both are > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 02:30:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C51E106564A for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:30:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [66.147.249.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F24A68FC12 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:30:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 14958 invoked by uid 0); 25 Feb 2011 02:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy1.bluehost.com.bluehost.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2011 02:30:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=Ko0tvHdU4LzEvoc/7pmSy95r0ZDDbXxUrz1eXgpX31XLzgfcDQAfuhVFmCDoEwAr/Jerx3qVegLxIaIZQRzH/1ypsFt4N1fRehfMc52QXzWh9FYtgW1S8sOkisnPRFfM; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PsnSF-0000o6-FH for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:30:52 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:20:05 -0700 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:20:05 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <20110225022005.GA14602@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <20110224232404.GA13838@guilt.hydra> <20110225002644.GA14159@guilt.hydra> <20110225010037.GA25929@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110225013140.GC14304@guilt.hydra> <20110225015708.GA70983@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AhhlLboLdkugWU4S" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110225015708.GA70983@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:30:53 -0000 --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 05:57:08PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth Andres Perera on Thursday, 24 February 2011: > > > > > > That wasn't me. =A0I could make some insulting references to failings > > > of yours that resulted in this mistake on your part, but I really > > > do not think that's necessary. =A0It is much more fun to just watch > > > you self-destruct. > >=20 > > it doesn't matter if it wasn't you > >=20 > > if you're all retarded then you are all effectively the same person > >=20 >=20 > I wonder what Andres will think of this thread if he ever gets around to > re-reading it after recovering from his meth hangover tomorrow. What little I know of meth (I've never used it, but I knew a couple people who did, and I pretended to in a movie once), this honestly doesn't come across as a meth hangover to me. > > >> > > >> thanks > > > > > > I wonder if Sterling Camden will offer a "you're welcome" to your > > > hostile reception. >=20 > You're welcome, Andres! Now go sleep it off. That's awfully accommodating of you. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1nEdUACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWCGACeK8n4d97ggCtT4lr9sXVpJWFy RRsAoLutsKuzMFNfmrxHtuQF/T9WrUND =hSy/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 02:35:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2608C1065674 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:35:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [66.147.249.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DCE598FC12 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:35:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 22808 invoked by uid 0); 25 Feb 2011 02:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy1.bluehost.com.bluehost.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2011 02:35:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=i+lAANTdfHhIkkuIVQnz58H5jmajAQ7k1wj7s7EZEITee3CzCFhBtJrKcJNm8efv3MkAQuqEzh3tlQEb8Jif0pk2m0gQo1lKFHQYhzKLrZKZIMiczKK1UGRO1CujOzpp; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PsnWW-0006KB-Bk for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:35:17 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:24:30 -0700 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:24:30 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <20110225022430.GA14682@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <20110224232404.GA13838@guilt.hydra> <20110225002644.GA14159@guilt.hydra> <20110225010037.GA25929@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110225013140.GC14304@guilt.hydra> <20110225021223.GA14459@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110225021223.GA14459@guilt.hydra> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:35:18 -0000 --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:12:23PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 09:15:30PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: > >=20 > > it doesn't matter if it wasn't you > >=20 > > if you're all retarded then you are all effectively the same person >=20 > I see. Suggesting that slinging insults makes him retarded. Wow -- I missed an important chunk of that sentence. It should have said: "Suggesting that slinging insults is not productive makes him retarded." I apologize for the grammaticall brokenness of that sentence. >=20 > You are naught but a troll. Killfiled. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1nEt4ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUhpACg2kkdy/H8wuX5lEUnRnt1UcG2 ipsAoNwTS0BJKhMzKwisIZDrUSRz3xSq =qeh5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 02:55:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CF59106566B for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:55:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 839273@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36B98FC19 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:55:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk7 with SMTP id 7so633446gxk.13 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 18:55:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nh3MXfm69R2lCqUYW3gPpqNSKfGH/atPoUtw/9E5kI8=; b=SW+ymW1jJOcaAx3L0B7Zfo0kvpz+m4BUyzlAlZ2C7aeFSXAEbE1jQXj0CtTFqvJEWJ ZlCng7vhd61xfaAE/FK9imPz/e9rWyeTiHNS1BpcOzaZOsU5OCF1JFlLdIHFuef9zy6E j1qI3BGvla0l4MVfyXt6wQJB66GdPWVuWbDPE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=mnj6PSUNAkFOK2OZDlR2t8zbd9lhvSWRguX6laG+FZUMPpZWNvuJPJ7GazyJcQvgqk MP458FE10WZHP/CbTuBde4vXnfXNmtbh11yGTWSCRxOllE/thV/B5JC78J5149+HEVSS g/LDpK+pBqNA8bIB4LbaD/En9WeX31nKNO/zk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.145.11 with SMTP id x11mr2947838ybn.182.1298602549334; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 18:55:49 -0800 (PST) Sender: 839273@gmail.com Received: by 10.150.215.21 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 18:55:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110225022430.GA14682@guilt.hydra> References: <20110224232404.GA13838@guilt.hydra> <20110225002644.GA14159@guilt.hydra> <20110225010037.GA25929@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110225013140.GC14304@guilt.hydra> <20110225021223.GA14459@guilt.hydra> <20110225022430.GA14682@guilt.hydra> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:25:49 -0430 X-Google-Sender-Auth: bT0l4QSZTvYy9p9fdPBDZ31pOs0 Message-ID: From: Andres Perera To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Chad Perrin Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: 839273@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:55:51 -0000 On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:12:23PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 09:15:30PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: >> > >> > it doesn't matter if it wasn't you >> > >> > if you're all retarded then you are all effectively the same person >> >> I see. =C2=A0Suggesting that slinging insults makes him retarded. > > Wow -- I missed an important chunk of that sentence. =C2=A0It should have > said: > > "Suggesting that slinging insults is not productive makes him retarded." > > I apologize for the grammaticall brokenness of that sentence. maybe you should spam the hundreds of subscribers of this mailing list with this line: s,grammaticall,grammatical, jesus christ, you're such a friggen noob > > >> >> You are naught but a troll. =C2=A0Killfiled. > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 02:57:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE26106566C for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:57:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfarmer@predatorlabs.net) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B148FC13 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:57:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws16 with SMTP id 16so1227791vws.13 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 18:57:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=predatorlabs.net; s=google; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6AYwJu3w6gLR2WzbzhsY+n6Vqq9ZgFhsVnx0ZJYbAEk=; b=UMhAzUIsCffvf7+uFQW0bJ9BJjhq+/0wUPdiStBW1YXTwyVFHmjtBJpzmQLAw3rR1K w5JVFKau0ICD1ca5bnA2oInWViDmZhPrA/w9ggp2e5JRX+sGbUjdUBdJ9lpf6baIE5ka U42rhOsYTn4kpcMjXmHUJSbCNhrHWa7tpfUWQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=predatorlabs.net; s=google; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=PN7T/pe45PwGExCylesdZR8aDYQ4F609Mrpc7o11AuX6hTA9sxAXs/nWD7J7VI1k2X cmGvtu3Jhv5P3Si7lD32NU0RAc6mNGGCiPj8z4jDQI96XFuKXVHqMI0s8pyW+yFSYYjI GQqYSul8uX1z7wSYlTapF8Eg+kCsAl1Xa8N7Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.172.165 with SMTP id bd5mr3019942vdc.168.1298602637580; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 18:57:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.192.195 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 18:57:17 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.133.23] In-Reply-To: References: <20110224234044.0df661c1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110224225425.GB13490@guilt.hydra> <20110225001301.e4f6d95f.freebsd@edvax.de> <21929_1298589484_4D66E72C_21929_309_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD35499F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110224232404.GA13838@guilt.hydra> <20110225002644.GA14159@guilt.hydra> <20110225010037.GA25929@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 18:57:17 -0800 Message-ID: From: Rob Farmer To: 839273@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Chip Camden , Andres Perera , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:57:18 -0000 On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Andres Perera wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Chip Camden > wrote: >> >> -- >> Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F >> http://chipsquips.com =A0| http://camdensoftware.com =A0 | http://chipst= ips.com >> > > btw, would you stop putting ads on your signature? it's annoying > LOL - how hypocritical. This thread was four days dead then suddenly two people show up and start pushing this mksh shell, which seems to be part of some obscure OpenBSD fork. If anyone is "advertising" it's you. --=20 Rob Farmer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 03:04:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD29F106566B for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 03:04:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 839273@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gw0-f44.google.com (mail-gw0-f44.google.com [74.125.83.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69BD58FC1E for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 03:04:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwaa18 with SMTP id a18so1231841gwa.17 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:04:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WlPjoPQKTLclTe+6uRq/zk8pmz0FOS17L1hfidGQ+z8=; b=SiesUgNjz1vsZvy7fIzNcY+hHPxbBorNQeEUyMGfCIlir7QzUr8ovaKqABzd401sHS FPSmD7ODwY4GawWwPXwWC3PmXWWAWaXIFrwSDIRxAhi2ZWO7q6BNvKG4IOruR1mY28g0 B7xH3WbScQCsqkOdJj1JRCBV5rNJV0GkWgUZk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=WbttexKQ9ykGyQLc1INv4kxLoRkktRq9n28qaGxheYL9fv7d4DoIIcbNpE8jfVVgLD 2OFV+1Bl0WIVE3De5dLXcPITxv4bMbNPV2Th3OWbOhaycBcNys1BJb6jPkwq+M7W8DM2 TXy7yiarlveYL9MAvw8XR7+2xllavQyDPybvg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.145.9 with SMTP id s9mr2898321ybd.125.1298603051658; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:04:11 -0800 (PST) Sender: 839273@gmail.com Received: by 10.150.215.21 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:04:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20110224234044.0df661c1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110224225425.GB13490@guilt.hydra> <20110225001301.e4f6d95f.freebsd@edvax.de> <21929_1298589484_4D66E72C_21929_309_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BD35499F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110224232404.GA13838@guilt.hydra> <20110225002644.GA14159@guilt.hydra> <20110225010037.GA25929@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:34:11 -0430 X-Google-Sender-Auth: TCUMX7HGz_C0O2tkbJZsPhslhmw Message-ID: From: Andres Perera To: Rob Farmer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Chip Camden , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: 839273@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 03:04:14 -0000 On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Rob Farmer wro= te: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Andres Perera wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Chip Camden >> wrote: >>> >>> -- >>> Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F >>> http://chipsquips.com =C2=A0| http://camdensoftware.com =C2=A0 | http:/= /chipstips.com >>> >> >> btw, would you stop putting ads on your signature? it's annoying >> > > LOL - how hypocritical. This thread was four days dead then suddenly > two people show up and start pushing this mksh shell, which seems to > be part of some obscure OpenBSD fork. If anyone is "advertising" it's > you. actually, *any* modern ksh variant, including both oksh and mksh would be better than tcsh as default shell. both would be a huge improvement over th= e rotting pile of poop that is tcsh and if you're going to qualify, you better know wtf you're talking about, because mksh is used by android and red hat the only major os, excluding variants, with tcsh on the base system is free= bsd nevermind that the tcsh comparison was done way before anyone explained mks= h... noob > > -- > Rob Farmer > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 03:20:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C6571065746 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 03:20:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB66E8FC08 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 03:20:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1P3KDbd016731; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:20:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p1P3KDIZ016728; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:20:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:20:13 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: "Edwin L. Culp W." In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20110224102357.15af921c@scorpio> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-902635197-1794821399-1298603046=:16324" Content-ID: X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:20:13 -0700 (MST) Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: HAL's demise X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 03:20:15 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---902635197-1794821399-1298603046=:16324 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-15; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Content-ID: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011, Edwin L. Culp W. wrote: > 2011/2/24 Warren Block : >> On Thu, 24 Feb 2011, Jerry wrote: >> >>> Is FreeBSD now "HAL" free or is it still a requirement? I still have it >>> activated via "/etc/rc.conf" If it is not needed, I would be happy to >>> remove the entry. >> >> It's not a requirement.  You can build xorg-server without it, and there are >> other mechanisms available to provide at least some of the same >> functionality in FreeBSD.  For example, using devd to detect hot-plugged USB >> devices.  There isn't yet a complete replacement like Linux's udev, though. > > Sounded like a good idea to me but ;) > > pkg_deinstall hal-0.5.14_12 > ---> Deinstalling 'hal-0.5.14_12' > pkg_delete: package 'hal-0.5.14_12' is required by these other packages > and may not be deinstalled: Well, actually I wasn't thinking of anything but xorg and device detection. The newest xfce removed support for hal. Maybe GNOME and KDE are in the process of doing the same. ---902635197-1794821399-1298603046=:16324-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 03:27:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3406C1065673 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 03:27:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDD6D8FC14 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 03:26:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1P3Qx2f016759; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:26:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p1P3Qxxj016756; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:26:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:26:59 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Aleksandr Miroslav In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:26:59 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: upgrading apr from v0 to v1 via portupgrade? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 03:27:00 -0000 On Thu, 24 Feb 2011, Aleksandr Miroslav wrote: > Recently I noticed that somehow I am on apr-0.9.19.0.9.19. On my old > box, I was on apr-ipv6-devrandom-gdbm-db47-1.4.2.1.3.10. See the 20100518 entry in /usr/ports/UPDATING. Well, the apr one, anyway. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 06:42:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9B311065673 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 06:42:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: from webmail.dweimer.net (adsl-70-129-195-213.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net [70.129.195.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 829B18FC1B for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 06:42:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.dweimer.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail.dweimer.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1P6CbfX004412 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:12:37 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:12:37 -0500 From: "Dean E. Weimer" To: Mail-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8052c70bffaf07576556bddcf568deaa@www.dweimer.net> X-Sender: dweimer@dweimer.net User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.5 Subject: FreeBSD 8.1 iSCSI CHAP with header and data digest X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 06:42:53 -0000 I am trying to connect my FreeBSD 8.1 system to a FreeNAS server hosting an iSCSI drive. I can successfully connect if I disable header and data digests, but can't seem to get a connection using header and data digests to succeed. I know the FreeNAS side is correct because I was able to connect and successfully format the drive and write data to it using my Windows 7 PC with CHAP and digests enabled. Here is my FreeBSD iscsi.conf file, do any of you have any idea what I am doing wrong? webmail# vim /etc/iscsi.conf ## Global Config InitiatorName=ign.2005-01.il.ac.huji.cs:webmail.dweimer.local; ## Targets # FreeNAS Backup Drive backup { TargetName=iqn.2007-09.jp.ne.peach.istgt:backup TargetAddress=192.168.1.2 AuthMethod=CHAP chapIName=webmail chapSecret=Password1234 } Also when I connect using the iscontrol -c /etc/iscsi.conf -n backup command, I can't find a way to disconnect the drive. I ended up rebooting the server to disconnect it so I could go back to testing with digests enabled. Does anyone know how to disconnect an iscsi connection once connected without rebooting? -- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer http://www.dweimer.net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 07:29:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 237051065672 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 07:29:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nr1c0re@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f54.google.com (mail-pz0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0FC98FC15 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 07:29:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk32 with SMTP id 32so256048pzk.13 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:29:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=DzHT4hBBSuJ9B1TECDbhmLEFfs74umDRtkmt0yjb7rg=; b=lcs3fJbb+jLSdjZ0z2M/bDfi6HGT+miG+zrf263jQ9XZVfxPsNlUfd+yAjQGvw/R5x Lgxa26xzcbvT68AAPTACHZCRFbM7F4iD8ARciJ6Y7am1OECfBifTIhkgIFsbuqtEWUL5 xUQztZIcDegBVOtcsfIvbLwp+DT6X22K15uo4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=hK5B7foaYDHucEGhxluPqFaiGMOxg8YbNh94ItKvG9BnzftHpizbeCPbGTglZxw+rb nuhbG8yrEopVJi7Nm3aOEsl8SGder4xMbvIvPChyJ9HlmbWrcIm8sXXBVBJ8vpjAKYL6 tXrOYyuJffZuvs/zwvQ51SJEe8eAIO8DkeiQ8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.133.4 with SMTP id g4mr1443448wfd.188.1298618969416; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:29:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.50.16 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:29:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:29:29 +0300 Message-ID: From: c0re To: FreeBSD , freebsd-net@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Subject: Strange behavior of MTU on loopback interfaces. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 07:29:30 -0000 Hello all! I'm testing setting lower MTU on loopback interfaces to avoid some MTU problems with IPSEC in a path of traffic. ifconfig lo1 create ifconfig lo1 mtu 1300 ifconfig lo1 5.5.5.5/32 # ifconfig lo1 lo1: flags=8049 metric 0 mtu 1300 inet 5.5.5.5 netmask 0xffffffff #ifconfig em0 em0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=9b ether 12:ac:29:7c:fa:39 inet 10.0.0.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.0.0.255 media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseTX ) status: active And I set only one "Listen 5.5.5.5:80" in http.conf in apache 2.2 # sockstat -4 | grep 80 www httpd 96843 3 tcp4 5.5.5.5:80 *:* www httpd 96838 3 tcp4 5.5.5.5:80 *:* www httpd 96837 3 tcp4 5.5.5.5:80 *:* www httpd 96836 3 tcp4 5.5.5.5:80 *:* www httpd 96835 3 tcp4 5.5.5.5:80 *:* www httpd 96834 3 tcp4 5.5.5.5:80 *:* root httpd 96833 3 tcp4 5.5.5.5:80 *:* I run tcpdump -ni em0 port 80. And made telnet 5.5.5.5 80 from other host and saw something wrong. 10:26:01.640866 IP 10.0.0.2.57553 > 5.5.5.5.80: S 1049284626:1049284626(0) win 65535 10:26:01.640902 IP 5.5.5.5.80 > 10.0.0.2.57553: S 2144222949:2144222949(0) ack 1049284627 win 65535 10:26:01.642632 IP 10.0.0.2.57553 > 5.5.5.5.80: . ack 1 win 65535 5.5.5.5:80 said that it has got tcp mss 1460. Why? I was waiting for something like 1260. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 08:40:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55C67106566B for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 08:40:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wodfer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B3E8FC0C for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 08:40:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywf9 with SMTP id 9so423762ywf.13 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:40:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=SzD2rIf36UKWdIl70MpVLAYrnvBuzqTEMB/Rcm8BfIM=; b=Znx0Cn/5ITi6TVnQpY9v6J4QMgmPP4clotpPOFimbV1M5CT9jQEvvQgNr7ZU3a9qs9 hkjEnXY+mkeOkhJqXNbL3MrQJu6rF9lkiL4z2kMnKkpYu2uoz2F7+MAo60zeOdiwU+XH GY0KLpiWLx5UZGP+1GdehQpzHrlFpkMvMdAmU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=IqNoybx31ZLyIOZAoy8lYAHgxM6d8NLBDEqLoA22cVFxhD036is6gxsEVBzLJJzOVc PalDt7KeAQXc5q+MJXdeNUO6mBUNQS10e+U2NtAPB61vAWtDO5tNfVClzx3AF8Kqv51N igHYdP3S5iRi9lsL+WKw+lheI8UnzejX4rZBg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.187.7 with SMTP id k7mr3424476agf.20.1298623198070; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:39:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.103.13 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:39:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:39:58 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Wodfer To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: X-Authentication-Warning (FreeBSD 8.1 STABLE) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 08:40:32 -0000 Hi, A client is sending out a newsletter and I'm trying to set the FreeBSD server user (www) to be trusted so that I don't get this warning in the message header: X-Authentication-Warning: host.domain.net: www set sender to post@domain.netusing -f I assume this is to be set in the sendmail.cf file (Twww), but on my FreeBSD 8.1 STABLE I have both a sendmail.cf and a freebsd.cf aswell as a freebsd.submit.cf. I haven't played around with sendmail for a couple of years, but I also seem to remember that you don't just edit the .cf file, but infact edit the mc file and compile, install and restart? Can someone please guide me through here? PS! I'm the only login user on this system, but are there security issues related to this that I should be concerned with? Thanks! Andy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 09:07:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE32B106566B for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:07:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikmccaskey64@zoho.com) Received: from sender1.zohomail.com (sender1.zohomail.com [72.5.230.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB4D8FC16 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:07:59 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=zapps768; d=zoho.com; h=date:from:to:message-id:subject:mime-version:content-type:user-agent; b=PY/33mVKLK2d8gz2LEyebIlTGH09vrz10btm0tk8nVCdCoSRJNO47Ad2V0bnduAhbFNTRLsjbsbU z3S83GBgCL58AqUKWZMURtFU1LOU1Axn8kHaL2muhIrL4k2ZkE+s Received: from 172.29.243.251 (172.29.243.251 [172.29.243.251]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTP id 1298624879085506.8177217146041; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:07:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:07:58 -0800 From: erikmccaskey64 To: "freebsd" Message-ID: <12e5c131918.-880143209072273718.-7160495597488262712@zoho.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: Medium User-Agent: Zoho Mail X-Mailer: Zoho Mail Status: RO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: How can I disable Internet access for programs running in Wine? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:07:59 -0000 I just can find any solution... Please help! thanks.. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 09:23:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99B7106566B for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:23:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirj.bris.ac.uk (dirj.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 905F98FC16 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:23:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ncsd.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.59] helo=ncs.bris.ac.uk) by dirj.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PsttA-0000eh-4v for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:23:04 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by ncs.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PsttA-0002fK-21 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:23:04 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1P9N398002112 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:23:03 GMT (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p1P9N3Db002111 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:23:03 GMT (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk: mexas set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:23:03 +0000 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110225092303.GA2086@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: setting up svn server - Connection refused X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:23:06 -0000 I'm learning how to set up svn server. I've read through several sections of http://svnbook.red-bean.com/nightly/en/ Here's what I do: ZEEV> svnadmin create /home/mexas/zzz ZEEV> svnlook info zzz 2011-02-25 09:15:28 +0000 (Fri, 25 Feb 2011) 0 ZEEV> svnserve -d ZEEV> ps ax | grep svnserve 66952 ?? Ss 0:00.01 /usr/local/bin/svnserve.bin -d ZEEV> mkdir /home/mexas/zzz.work ZEEV> cd /home/mexas/zzz.work/ When I try to connect to the svn server, I get this: ZEEV> svn co svn://localhost/home/mexas/zzz . svn: Can't connect to host 'localhost': Network is unreachable ZEEV> svn co svn://10.10.10.14/home/mexas/zzz . svn: Can't connect to host '10.10.10.14': Connection refused ZEEV> ifconfig em1 em1: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=209b ether 00:13:21:5b:05:1d inet 10.10.10.14 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.10.10.255 inet6 fe80::213:21ff:fe5b:51d%em1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x5 nd6 options=29 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active ZEEV> I get exactly the same "Connection refused" if I connect from another host. I turned the firewall off completely. What could be the problems? Many thanks Anton -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 09:40:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7842106564A for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:40:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 937998FC16 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:40:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id p1P9ec2D091771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:40:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id p1P9ecmv091770; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:40:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA07294; Fri, 25 Feb 11 01:34:05 PST Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:33:38 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: tg@mirbsd.org Message-Id: <4d677772.JIn5M/1Ze4tUXbIX%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <4D61599E.4040008@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:40:41 -0000 Thorsten Glaser wrote: > tcsh is not a shell ... > http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/shell/csh-whynot/ If you are _that_ strongly opposed to (t)csh, sir, I submit that you are wasting your time reading and posting to a FreeBSD mailing list. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 10:28:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A6231065675 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:28:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass@gmx.com) Received: from mailout-eu.gmx.com (mailout-eu.gmx.com [213.165.64.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B0928FC0A for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:28:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 25 Feb 2011 10:28:33 -0000 Received: from adsl-248.91.140.49.tellas.gr (EHLO [192.168.73.192]) [91.140.49.248] by mail.gmx.com (mp-eu001) with SMTP; 25 Feb 2011 11:28:33 +0100 X-Authenticated: #46156728 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/tsahwJDHtgY9WtKMFMSBwK81rf0BGV7nPJGxKZn 0COPPmyumcgfFn Message-ID: <4D678446.3080204@gmx.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:28:22 +0200 From: Nikos Vassiliadis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: c0re References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Strange behavior of MTU on loopback interfaces. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:28:36 -0000 On 2/25/2011 9:29 AM, c0re wrote: > Hello all! > > I'm testing setting lower MTU on loopback interfaces to avoid some MTU > problems with IPSEC in a path of traffic. > > ifconfig lo1 create > ifconfig lo1 mtu 1300 > ifconfig lo1 5.5.5.5/32 > > # ifconfig lo1 > lo1: flags=8049 metric 0 mtu 1300 > inet 5.5.5.5 netmask 0xffffffff > > #ifconfig em0 > em0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 > options=9b > ether 12:ac:29:7c:fa:39 > inet 10.0.0.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.0.0.255 > media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseTX) > status: active > > > And I set only one "Listen 5.5.5.5:80" in http.conf in apache 2.2 > > # sockstat -4 | grep 80 > www httpd 96843 3 tcp4 5.5.5.5:80 *:* > www httpd 96838 3 tcp4 5.5.5.5:80 *:* > www httpd 96837 3 tcp4 5.5.5.5:80 *:* > www httpd 96836 3 tcp4 5.5.5.5:80 *:* > www httpd 96835 3 tcp4 5.5.5.5:80 *:* > www httpd 96834 3 tcp4 5.5.5.5:80 *:* > root httpd 96833 3 tcp4 5.5.5.5:80 *:* > > I run tcpdump -ni em0 port 80. And made telnet 5.5.5.5 80 from other > host and saw something wrong. > > 10:26:01.640866 IP 10.0.0.2.57553> 5.5.5.5.80: S > 1049284626:1049284626(0) win 65535 > 10:26:01.640902 IP 5.5.5.5.80> 10.0.0.2.57553: S > 2144222949:2144222949(0) ack 1049284627 win 65535 1460,sackOK,eol> > 10:26:01.642632 IP 10.0.0.2.57553> 5.5.5.5.80: . ack 1 win 65535 > > 5.5.5.5:80 said that it has got tcp mss 1460. Why? I was waiting for > something like 1260. It uses the MTU of the outgoing path, which is 1500. You change the MTU for specific paths, using route and the mtu modifier. Like this: > lab# ifconfig em0 > em0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 > options=9b > ether 08:00:27:17:c3:de > inet 192.168.73.193 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.73.255 > media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT ) > status: active > lab# route change 192.168.73.0 -mtu 1100 > change net 192.168.73.0 > lab# route -n get 192.168.73.0 > route to: 192.168.73.0 > destination: 192.168.73.0 > mask: 255.255.255.0 > interface: em0 > flags: > recvpipe sendpipe ssthresh rtt,msec mtu weight expire > 0 0 0 0 1100 1 0 > lab# All packets going to 192.168.73.0/24 will use IP packet sizes up to 1100. IMHO it's better to leave the physical interface's MTU unchanged and use the routing subsystem to define the maximum IP packet size per path. HTH, Nikos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 10:45:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A8401065675 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:45:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nr1c0re@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f54.google.com (mail-pz0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EB6D8FC1C for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:45:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk32 with SMTP id 32so281450pzk.13 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:45:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=PrQFmLxSsD9+EGvRBp5SIpaBaUmcLcuFrHW1+wuKeMg=; b=ayA+WuAyvZCGOr7mcra/Fu/xGlGln+Z4R0YYQiQPu7M/P5H8IgWJxMmCdhX9df8e7e lXQXCijCxiFVUq/vQOWs3rPxGA9aMoVO9ChHYES0HKU6hgITQeTyEbpJze3B7YxxL8kE HuUznThmzqTlSvZKe27Ls7sCTFmqflTjhXIj0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=EHoKBRfHtb1dg4RbsVfW/185hJhHUiMbusl1TqhpccDK00wfEwM+/jWcY/TnlBJzLg hHMywLKDBJ2eypKbQN9ftNbOniMS/j2phJaYxRW2lJf+5Y1pM7SBrzpQazYSf9jF19JF 7o5NhXiGgUXziz3JadhYzDdEwjPp/YSx1QbI4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.157.2 with SMTP id f2mr1557943wfe.302.1298630755624; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:45:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.50.16 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:45:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4D678446.3080204@gmx.com> References: <4D678446.3080204@gmx.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:45:55 +0300 Message-ID: From: c0re To: Nikos Vassiliadis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Strange behavior of MTU on loopback interfaces. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:45:56 -0000 2011/2/25 Nikos Vassiliadis : > On 2/25/2011 9:29 AM, c0re wrote: >> >> Hello all! >> >> I'm testing setting lower MTU on loopback interfaces to avoid some MTU >> problems with IPSEC in a path of traffic. >> >> ifconfig lo1 create >> ifconfig lo1 mtu 1300 >> ifconfig lo1 5.5.5.5/32 >> >> # ifconfig lo1 >> lo1: flags=3D8049 =A0metric 0 mtu 1300 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 inet 5.5.5.5 netmask 0xffffffff >> >> #ifconfig em0 >> em0: flags=3D8843 =A0metric 0 mt= u 1500 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 options=3D9b >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 ether 12:ac:29:7c:fa:39 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 inet 10.0.0.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.0.0.255 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseTX) >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 status: active >> >> >> And I set only one "Listen 5.5.5.5:80" in http.conf in apache 2.2 >> >> # sockstat -4 | grep 80 >> www =A0 =A0 =A0httpd =A0 =A0 =A096843 3 =A0tcp4 =A0 5.5.5.5:80 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0*:* >> www =A0 =A0 =A0httpd =A0 =A0 =A096838 3 =A0tcp4 =A0 5.5.5.5:80 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0*:* >> www =A0 =A0 =A0httpd =A0 =A0 =A096837 3 =A0tcp4 =A0 5.5.5.5:80 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0*:* >> www =A0 =A0 =A0httpd =A0 =A0 =A096836 3 =A0tcp4 =A0 5.5.5.5:80 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0*:* >> www =A0 =A0 =A0httpd =A0 =A0 =A096835 3 =A0tcp4 =A0 5.5.5.5:80 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0*:* >> www =A0 =A0 =A0httpd =A0 =A0 =A096834 3 =A0tcp4 =A0 5.5.5.5:80 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0*:* >> root =A0 =A0 httpd =A0 =A0 =A096833 3 =A0tcp4 =A0 5.5.5.5:80 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0*:* >> >> I run tcpdump -ni em0 port 80. And made telnet 5.5.5.5 80 from other >> host and saw something wrong. >> >> 10:26:01.640866 IP 10.0.0.2.57553> =A05.5.5.5.80: S >> 1049284626:1049284626(0) win 65535 >> 10:26:01.640902 IP 5.5.5.5.80> =A010.0.0.2.57553: S >> 2144222949:2144222949(0) ack 1049284627 win 65535> 1460,sackOK,eol> >> 10:26:01.642632 IP 10.0.0.2.57553> =A05.5.5.5.80: . ack 1 win 65535 >> >> 5.5.5.5:80 said that it has got tcp mss 1460. Why? I was waiting for >> something like 1260. > > It uses the MTU of the outgoing path, which is 1500. > You change the MTU for specific paths, using route and the mtu modifier. > Like this: > >> lab# ifconfig em0 >> em0: flags=3D8843 metric 0 mtu 1= 500 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0options=3D9b >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0ether 08:00:27:17:c3:de >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0inet 192.168.73.193 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.= 73.255 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT ) >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0status: active >> lab# route change 192.168.73.0 -mtu 1100 >> change net 192.168.73.0 >> lab# route -n get 192.168.73.0 >> =A0 route to: 192.168.73.0 >> destination: 192.168.73.0 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 mask: 255.255.255.0 >> =A0interface: em0 >> =A0 =A0 =A0flags: >> =A0recvpipe =A0sendpipe =A0ssthresh =A0rtt,msec =A0 =A0mtu =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0weight =A0 =A0expire >> =A0 =A0 =A0 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 0 =A0 = =A0 =A01100 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 0 >> lab# > > All packets going to 192.168.73.0/24 will use IP packet sizes up to > 1100. IMHO it's better to leave the physical interface's MTU unchanged > and use the routing subsystem to define the maximum IP packet size per > path. > > HTH, Nikos > Works like a charm! # route change 0.0.0.0 -mtu 1300 change net 0.0.0.0 # tcpdump -ni em0 host 5.5.5.5 13:42:58.996721 IP 10.0.0.2.51933 > 5.5.5.5.80: S 626695541:626695541(0) win 64512 13:42:58.996760 IP 5.5.5.5.80 > 10.0.0.2.51933: S 289198669:289198669(0) ack 626695542 win 65535 13:42:58.999455 IP 10.0.0.2.51933 > 5.5.5.5.80: . ack 1 win 64512 Thank you very much! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 11:07:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE969106564A for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:07:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from terje@elde.net) Received: from keepquiet.net (keepquiet.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:130:84c1::deaf:babe]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B292F8FC13 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:07:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.130.10.194] (cm-84.215.125.33.getinternet.no [84.215.125.33]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: terje@elde.net) by keepquiet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 62AF02E128 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:07:12 +0100 (CET) From: Terje Elde Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:07:11 +0100 Message-Id: <0847F66E-F541-4604-8238-A869CCDEE163@elde.net> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Subject: GELI reliability X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:07:14 -0000 Hi, I'm curious about GELIs theoretical behavior when faced with errors, and = also any experience anyone might have. As an example, if I run ZFS with raidz over X drives, then the zpool = should have no issue surviving the complete loss of a full disk. Also, = the familiar "FAILURE - READ_DMA" or READ_DMA48 errors from a disk = having a bad day should also be no issue, certainly not an issue that = would result in crash, or worse still, loss of data. What I'm wondering is how much worse off the data would be if I were to = slide inn a GELI layer between the physical drives, and the zpool. That is, if I use GELI directly on the individual drives ( /dev/ada0, = /dev/ada1 etc), then make a raidz pool on top of the .eli devices ( = /dev/ada0.eli, /dev/ada1.eli etc). For READ_DMA type errors, I suppose GELI could just forward the same = errors up the stack, and that'd be that, the errors wouldn't be any more = severe than what I'd have anyway? One exception could be if GELI sector size is larger than disk sector = size. Not being too familiar with GELIs internal workings, I'm not sure = that has to be the case though. GELI sectors have a new IV pr. sector, = but the crypto itself is still done in 128 or 256 bit blocks, so given a = single faulty disk sector, the rest of the GELI sector could still be = read and decrypted? Or are entire GELI sectors faulted if a (smaller) = underlaying sector is unreadable? And finally, what if an entire drive dies a cruel and horribly death, = all of it's data returning to the large bit bucket in the sky? Would = GELI simply relay the same errors upstack to ZFS, so ZFS would be able = to handle it as well as it would have without GELI? I've used ZFS over GELI in the past, but never had any hardware issues = to see how it plays out. I'm considering deploying it for more stuff now, and reliability wise, = from what I know, I could loose very little by using GELI, or it could = be time to buy napkins, because the risk of a grown man crying while = trying to mop up spilled bits from the floor is increased significantly. (backups should avoid the need for tears though, besides, I don't have a = mop) Terje From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 11:51:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7AAE106566C for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:51:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reddvinylene@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 744388FC19 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:51:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk27 with SMTP id 27so1317864qyk.13 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 03:51:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=AaAAtqw7EgwR4wd6wieSQJ8loBm/dKpY8qWYXq+f4Vs=; b=UayQid5MA/fLPAydv7kTx8uva9zONnQAiPqRxCyvlH4C0ZwDJeO+mgybNfho25+xlC Ihv2PSwQJtMhfXP/BuRqXvGRwN6d3BFSCyV2csx/bVurEB+U7wEFLBhxc+D+S4YcwtSJ 7mvM5DqEfCI3X2RS/suLH+UTHyBoAxxPFzvsM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Sl9OBNUibjC1/NlOh5un3GFZBePlWd58RBiriQ9WJuKh+JWZBqDLeUqZx7FuJ3X0Zv Jatt4gk3xKLbNZ9QnR99+LBMCz2oOBYNIO5pkzpqCi/Al6pM2Svo8H/UqbxHINo9m8wU 78BSYjvfHcO3F/+6eA6yoaL2XJZ+KVAvNg2dw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.82.80 with SMTP id a16mr1607407qcl.76.1298632915050; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 03:21:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.240.2 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 03:21:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:21:54 +0100 Message-ID: From: Redd Vinylene To: questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Kernel compiling problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:51:50 -0000 Heya! Anybody know what's wrong with this? ## make buildworld buildkernel KERNCONF=NINJA cc -c -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -std=c99 -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -nostdinc -I. -I/usr/src/sys -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/altq -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=8000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-sse3 -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:163: error: invalid application of 'sizeof' to incomplete type 'struct freebsd7_msgctl_args' /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:163: error: 'freebsd7_msgctl' undeclared here (not in a function) /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1463: error: initializer element is not constant /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1463: error: (near initialization for 'msgcalls[0]') cc1: warnings being treated as errors /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1507: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c: In function 'freebsd7_msgctl': /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1516: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1516: error: request for member 'cmd' in something not a structure or union /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1516: warning: comparison between pointer and integer /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1517: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1517: error: request for member 'buf' in something not a structure or union /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1532: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1532: error: request for member 'msqid' in something not a structure or union /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1532: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1532: error: request for member 'cmd' in something not a structure or union /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1532: warning: passing argument 2 of 'kern_msgctl' makes integer from pointer without a cast /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1532: warning: passing argument 3 of 'kern_msgctl' makes integer from pointer without a cast /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1535: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1535: error: request for member 'cmd' in something not a structure or union /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1535: warning: comparison between pointer and integer /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1548: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1548: error: request for member 'buf' in something not a structure or union *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/NINJA. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. ## /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/NINJA cpu I586_CPU ident NINJA options SCHED_ULE options PREEMPTION options FFS options SOFTUPDATES options UFS_ACL options UFS_DIRHASH options UFS_GJOURNAL options MD_ROOT options MSDOSFS options CD9660 options PROCFS options PSEUDOFS options COMPAT_43 options COMPAT_FREEBSD4 options COMPAT_FREEBSD5 options COMPAT_FREEBSD6 options KTRACE options SYSVSHM options SYSVMSG options SYSVSEM options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING device pci device sio device ata device atadisk device atapicd options ATA_STATIC_ID device fdc device atkbdc device atkbd device psm device vga device splash device sc device sound device ether device miibus device rl device ep device loop device random device tun device pty device md options AUDIT options INET options INET6 device gif device faith device bpf device pf device pflog device pfsync options ALTQ options ALTQ_CBQ options ALTQ_RED options ALTQ_RIO options ALTQ_HFSC options ALTQ_PRIQ ## uname -v FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #0: Thu Jul 24 18:57:08 CEST 2008 ## /etc/cvsupfile *default host=cvsup.no.FreeBSD.org *default base=/var/db *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_8 *default delete use-rel-suffix src-all doc-all tag=. Many thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 11:53:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CF2D1065694 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:53:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yi0-f54.google.com (mail-yi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 035498FC19 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:53:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yib19 with SMTP id 19so796905yib.13 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 03:53:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=wxllyq0ZuBcEmeDfkOhIn9tMFxeEwyjvpF6XhaXqAmw=; b=Vgcct5BU/lxZN4m9Wl3uhV9TODWdZwS+G/CkhrY33q7Ap8M6DVn3UppXVeZDdDoHtp vngyXrydb6qp1lf/Xvsap3/l6UwMuRYZuipj4wAC6BHiZTeDuCRALsdVcfkcPm1ArX5P S5bfvO1fke9iPB57/9psRFli8FBJb3vNkWr1M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=r1CObO6a4zksJfFdWWR8A3u9kz+0t6dgujYjgv3FiZWlklkTqj7Zn5WM17etM9cNQM HIPSmG4wmbAlqJX6UPk8mmlB/BjScp6SnF+m6rhIu+dJ3s4wkzAuZ6xtKjMwynHUE6WZ LCePkl4oJ1g8JR3wJ2CJR1chdWW5R/GUcVe0I= Received: by 10.100.137.7 with SMTP id k7mr975696and.248.1298634796211; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 03:53:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.217.19 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 03:52:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4D66708E.8060500@my.gd> <4D668A55.6060002@gmx.com> From: Valentin Bud Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:52:56 +0200 Message-ID: To: nikitha Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Damien Fleuriot , Nikos Vassiliadis , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tuning routing table size in FreeBSD 8.0 and 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:53:17 -0000 On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 9:37 PM, nikitha wrote: > Thank you all, for your timely reply.. > To answer Niko's question: Just i'm doing some performance/stress testing > of > a freebsd router.. :-) > > -Sumi > > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: > > > On 2/24/2011 4:51 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > > > >> On 2/24/11 3:00 PM, nikitha wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> Could you plz share the information on the maximum number of routes > that > >>> can > >>> be added (by default) in FREEBSD 8.0/7.2 kernel? > >>> In Linux the sysctl rt_max_size is used. Is there a similar tunable > >>> parameter in freeBSD? > >>> > >> [snip] > > > > > >> I could not find a sysctl that matched what you're looking for. > >> > >> AFAIK, the routing table is limited only by the amount of RAM you can > >> allocate to it. > >> > > > > Yes. You can use "vmstat -z | grep rtentry" to examine it. > > It seems trivial to add a limit there(without having thought of > > multiple routing tables and vnet). > > > > Out of curiosity, why would you want such a limit? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Hello Sumi, What tools do you use to perform the tests? thanks, v -- network warrior From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 12:38:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D58A5106566B for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:38:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8521A8FC13 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:38:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywf9 with SMTP id 9so491518ywf.13 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 04:38:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.63.14 with SMTP id l14mr3638014aga.185.1298637498663; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 04:38:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-071-070-216-068.nc.res.rr.com [71.70.216.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y21sm367865yhc.18.2011.02.25.04.38.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 25 Feb 2011 04:38:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 19E75E54828 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 07:38:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 07:38:14 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110225073814.57dcdd68@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <20110224102357.15af921c@scorpio> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: HAL's demise X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:38:20 -0000 On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:20:13 -0700 (MST) Warren Block articulated: > On Thu, 24 Feb 2011, Edwin L. Culp W. wrote: > > > 2011/2/24 Warren Block : > >> On Thu, 24 Feb 2011, Jerry wrote: > >> > >>> Is FreeBSD now "HAL" free or is it still a requirement? I still > >>> have it activated via "/etc/rc.conf" If it is not needed, I would > >>> be happy to remove the entry. > >> > >> It's not a requirement.  You can build xorg-server without it, and > >> there are other mechanisms available to provide at least some of > >> the same functionality in FreeBSD.  For example, using devd to > >> detect hot-plugged USB devices.  There isn't yet a complete > >> replacement like Linux's udev, though. > > > > Sounded like a good idea to me but ;) > > > > pkg_deinstall hal-0.5.14_12 > > ---> Deinstalling 'hal-0.5.14_12' > > pkg_delete: package 'hal-0.5.14_12' is required by these other > > packages and may not be deinstalled: > > Well, actually I wasn't thinking of anything but xorg and device > detection. The newest xfce removed support for hal. Maybe GNOME and > KDE are in the process of doing the same. GNOME switched over a year ago, KDE and XFCE finished the transition a couple of months back. Other distros are apparently not even distributing it. What is preventing FBSD from joining the party? -- Jerry ✌ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 12:53:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD0D106564A for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:53:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B9298FC13 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:53:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.37]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 25 Feb 2011 07:53:20 -0500 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.2.3-GA) with ESMTP id ATF05463; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 07:53:18 -0500 Received-SPF: None identity=pra; client-ip=209.6.91.204; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None identity=mailfrom; client-ip=209.6.91.204; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None identity=helo; client-ip=209.6.91.204; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="postmaster@jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received: from 209-6-91-204.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.91.204]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 25 Feb 2011 07:53:13 -0500 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19815.42546.906827.169853@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 07:53:06 -0500 To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20110225073814.57dcdd68@scorpio> References: <20110224102357.15af921c@scorpio> <20110225073814.57dcdd68@scorpio> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Subject: Re: HAL's demise X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:53:20 -0000 Jerry writes: > GNOME switched over a year ago, KDE and XFCE finished the > transition a couple of months back. Other distros are apparently > not even distributing it. What is preventing FBSD from joining > the party? Lack of someone willing, able, and available to do the work. (Should your name be on that list? :-) Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 12:55:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BDC5106564A for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:55:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 022A28FC16 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:55:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so2187553bwz.13 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 04:55:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=bWKCnDVBqGuyqV+Ih3xqXMy7dCdcHO1u+2lTo5nb01Y=; b=P/WvrdhEcCuXPBq0zmveJjjfWjgJllALzVLRZwU3XAeZuP5peiqzMHsyLPWHO99Nl/ GnWXa/AfkypZ1Lp4wvTOeu0PoWStKIrWnSjjm+C+fDTIBbJEqqFq1Qho6queeft3dXKa ix36rryH4W4EvxASMeBXgqTbMUxrfvlaPsi0M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; b=w0BI9omNuH4gkc/7uwp9adSCFEXG6SB85HARErK6Lqmt2I6gxN36qnNRMiXVeN2T0s hOgeHZfRkJsLjxxfzBtAcBDd0trbGBCcXSzeEjZteiPns5wM8A41cGjVWXq9kOL/BvVL udEWLplFslYJfhqdPasOvpOayHOCu3AwTFE6Y= Received: by 10.204.128.200 with SMTP id l8mr1971170bks.60.1298638515816; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 04:55:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.68.206 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 04:54:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20110224232404.GA13838@guilt.hydra> <20110225002644.GA14159@guilt.hydra> <20110225010037.GA25929@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110225013140.GC14304@guilt.hydra> <20110225021223.GA14459@guilt.hydra> <20110225022430.GA14682@guilt.hydra> From: Chris Rees Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:54:45 +0000 Message-ID: To: 839273@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Chad Perrin , Andres Perera , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:55:17 -0000 On 25 February 2011 02:55, Andres Perera wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: >> I apologize for the grammaticall brokenness of that sentence. > > maybe you should spam the hundreds of subscribers of this mailing list with > this line: > > s,grammaticall,grammatical, > > > jesus christ, you're such a friggen noob Before you criticise another's spelling/grammar, perhaps you could learn where the Shift key is. Also, some quotes from you (spot the errors): and tcsh is inferior to mksh in everyway tcsh built uppon that code instead of basing [wow, two in the same sentence] been consistently argueing against the opposite a buncha noobs is what you both are [paira perhaps] Normally it's considered bad form to attack another's use of language, but you lose that protection if you pick on others' QWC. By the way, there's no such thing as a 'strawman', and perhaps you could read about ad hominem arguments [1] and how you automatically lose any arguments where you bring them in. Chris [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 13:27:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 171271065673 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:27:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE84A8FC19 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:27:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.0.9] (dynamic-24-42-224-110.knology.net [24.42.224.110] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id p1PD96vw031914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 25 Feb 2011 07:09:06 -0600 References: <20110225092303.GA2086@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <20110225092303.GA2086@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Kelly Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 07:09:04 -0600 To: Anton Shterenlikht X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: setting up svn server - Connection refused X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:27:55 -0000 On Feb 25, 2011, at 3:23 AM, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > When I try to connect to the svn server, I get this: > > ZEEV> svn co svn://localhost/home/mexas/zzz . > svn: Can't connect to host 'localhost': Network is unreachable > ZEEV> svn co svn://10.10.10.14/home/mexas/zzz . > svn: Can't connect to host '10.10.10.14': Connection refused Forget the SVN server daemon its much easier to use svn+ssh:// than svn:// -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 13:48:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D27A1065672 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:48:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B6A48FC1B for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:48:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so2228766bwz.13 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 05:48:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=tjqzjipWumRd/jO9n1l1PkJK7cK6kcvWqrLxSA6e+ZU=; b=vMP8LhB2vKOoGCh1pVvRB1k0+82VZJIO02aumGFUnost394JSW9xYNCpe8lYsQdYFW INyHgMwl3jjvmxcV2My2XYq38uBqRILlQeqsdE+vbkZ4zU3djX5OvXErg03NHQr23DTE lI1edFAx7+WK0VYJZUmfMqGTqBd9uSh5nO3ag= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; b=OVRi2LCnt3GblxCtPm6HxYNoFjI4DS79m24G6iQohc0YI1H7AHCOxtFRkBrjYsbwf2 PPxExtbWfYoGKLa0Q+SZrwEfhlAOBQEE+NSnGVGEoYgVwR6zzOGZBRgnr3knllQyfbd5 wruQXCao9k5xBn9jvbb6BPF/HMGyurS+Z7Jbs= Received: by 10.204.70.137 with SMTP id d9mr2011191bkj.141.1298640246117; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 05:24:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.68.206 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 05:23:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Chris Rees Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:23:36 +0000 Message-ID: To: Redd Vinylene Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: questions Subject: Re: Kernel compiling problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:48:48 -0000 On 25 February 2011 11:21, Redd Vinylene wrote: > Heya! > > Anybody know what's wrong with this? > > ## make buildworld buildkernel KERNCONF=NINJA > Have you successfully used NINJA to build a kernel before? Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 13:58:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BF9106564A for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:58:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D5F8FC0C for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:58:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm19 with SMTP id 19so1859889fxm.13 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 05:58:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.103.5 with SMTP id i5mr2795752fao.38.1298640812941; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 05:33:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.114.122.47] ([92.90.20.41]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r24sm285585fax.3.2011.02.25.05.33.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 25 Feb 2011 05:33:31 -0800 (PST) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A293) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8A293) From: Damien Fleuriot Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:33:08 +0100 To: Redd Vinylene Cc: questions Subject: Re: Kernel compiling problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:58:16 -0000 Do not use a custom kern for your upgrade, build generic with pf and altq. I'm not sure your CPU type is correct ? I could be wrong, haven't used 32bits for a while. Make clean, then build the world, then your kern. Once you have generic working, make your custom kern --- Fleuriot Damien On 25 Feb 2011, at 12:21, Redd Vinylene wrote: > Heya! >=20 > Anybody know what's wrong with this? >=20 > ## make buildworld buildkernel KERNCONF=3DNINJA >=20 > cc -c -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -std=3Dc99 -Wall -Wredundant-decls > -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith= > -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions > -nostdinc -I. -I/usr/src/sys -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/altq -D_KERNEL > -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common > -finline-limit=3D8000 --param inline-unit-growth=3D100 --param > large-function-growth=3D1000 -mno-align-long-strings > -mpreferred-stack-boundary=3D2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow -mno-sse -mno-sse2 > -mno-sse3 -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror > /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c > /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:163: error: invalid application of 'sizeof' t= o > incomplete type 'struct freebsd7_msgctl_args' > /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:163: error: 'freebsd7_msgctl' undeclared here= > (not in a function) > /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1463: error: initializer element is not > constant > /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1463: error: (near initialization for > 'msgcalls[0]') > cc1: warnings being treated as errors > /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1507: warning: function declaration isn't a > prototype > /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c: In function 'freebsd7_msgctl': > /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1516: error: dereferencing pointer to > incomplete type > /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1516: error: request for member 'cmd' in > something not a structure or union > /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1516: warning: comparison between pointer and= > integer > /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1517: error: dereferencing pointer to > incomplete type > /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1517: error: request for member 'buf' in > something not a structure or union > /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1532: error: dereferencing pointer to > incomplete type > /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1532: error: request for member 'msqid' in > something not a structure or union > /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1532: error: dereferencing pointer to > incomplete type > /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1532: error: request for member 'cmd' in > something not a structure or union > /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1532: warning: passing argument 2 of > 'kern_msgctl' makes integer from pointer without a cast > /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1532: warning: passing argument 3 of > 'kern_msgctl' makes integer from pointer without a cast > /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1535: error: dereferencing pointer to > incomplete type > /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1535: error: request for member 'cmd' in > something not a structure or union > /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1535: warning: comparison between pointer and= > integer > /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1548: error: dereferencing pointer to > incomplete type > /usr/src/sys/kern/sysv_msg.c:1548: error: request for member 'buf' in > something not a structure or union > *** Error code 1 >=20 > Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/NINJA. > *** Error code 1 >=20 > Stop in /usr/src. > *** Error code 1 >=20 > Stop in /usr/src. >=20 > ## /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/NINJA >=20 > cpu I586_CPU >=20 > ident NINJA >=20 > options SCHED_ULE >=20 > options PREEMPTION >=20 > options FFS >=20 > options SOFTUPDATES >=20 > options UFS_ACL >=20 > options UFS_DIRHASH >=20 > options UFS_GJOURNAL >=20 > options MD_ROOT >=20 > options MSDOSFS >=20 > options CD9660 >=20 > options PROCFS >=20 > options PSEUDOFS >=20 > options COMPAT_43 >=20 > options COMPAT_FREEBSD4 >=20 > options COMPAT_FREEBSD5 >=20 > options COMPAT_FREEBSD6 >=20 > options KTRACE >=20 > options SYSVSHM >=20 > options SYSVMSG >=20 > options SYSVSEM >=20 > options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV >=20 > options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING >=20 > device pci >=20 > device sio >=20 > device ata >=20 > device atadisk >=20 > device atapicd >=20 > options ATA_STATIC_ID >=20 > device fdc >=20 > device atkbdc >=20 > device atkbd >=20 > device psm >=20 > device vga >=20 > device splash >=20 > device sc >=20 > device sound >=20 > device ether >=20 > device miibus >=20 > device rl >=20 > device ep >=20 > device loop >=20 > device random >=20 > device tun >=20 > device pty >=20 > device md >=20 > options AUDIT >=20 > options INET >=20 > options INET6 >=20 > device gif >=20 > device faith >=20 > device bpf >=20 > device pf >=20 > device pflog >=20 > device pfsync >=20 > options ALTQ >=20 > options ALTQ_CBQ >=20 > options ALTQ_RED >=20 > options ALTQ_RIO >=20 > options ALTQ_HFSC >=20 > options ALTQ_PRIQ >=20 > ## uname -v >=20 > FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #0: Thu Jul 24 18:57:08 CEST 2008 >=20 > ## /etc/cvsupfile >=20 > *default host=3Dcvsup.no.FreeBSD.org >=20 > *default base=3D/var/db >=20 > *default prefix=3D/usr >=20 > *default release=3Dcvs tag=3DRELENG_8 >=20 > *default delete use-rel-suffix >=20 > src-all >=20 > doc-all tag=3D. >=20 > Many thanks! > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 14:15:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E312106566B for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:15:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail1.sourcehosting.net (113901-app1.sourcehosting.net [72.32.213.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D70338FC21 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:15:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 68-189-245-235.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com ([68.189.245.235] helo=cube.entropy.prv) by mail1.sourcehosting.net with esmtp (Exim 4.73 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1PsySB-000J5q-7G; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:15:40 -0500 Received: from v105.entropy.prv (v105.entropy.prv [192.168.1.105]) by cube.entropy.prv (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E1DE4B1E9D9; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:15:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4D67B982.6030601@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:15:30 -0500 From: Greg Larkin Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, mexas@bristol.ac.uk References: <20110225092303.GA2086@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <20110225092303.GA2086@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=1C940290 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 68.189.245.235 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: glarkin@FreeBSD.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on mail1.sourcehosting.net X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_PBL, RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL, RDNS_DYNAMIC, TVD_RCVD_IP autolearn=no version=3.3.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on mail1.sourcehosting.net) Cc: Subject: Re: setting up svn server - Connection refused X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: glarkin@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:15:42 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2/25/11 4:23 AM, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > I'm learning how to set up svn server. > I've read through several sections of > http://svnbook.red-bean.com/nightly/en/ > > Here's what I do: > > ZEEV> svnadmin create /home/mexas/zzz > ZEEV> svnlook info zzz > > 2011-02-25 09:15:28 +0000 (Fri, 25 Feb 2011) > 0 > ZEEV> svnserve -d > ZEEV> ps ax | grep svnserve > 66952 ?? Ss 0:00.01 /usr/local/bin/svnserve.bin -d > ZEEV> mkdir /home/mexas/zzz.work > ZEEV> cd /home/mexas/zzz.work/ > > When I try to connect to the svn server, I get this: > > > ZEEV> svn co svn://localhost/home/mexas/zzz . > svn: Can't connect to host 'localhost': Network is unreachable > ZEEV> svn co svn://10.10.10.14/home/mexas/zzz . > svn: Can't connect to host '10.10.10.14': Connection refused > > ZEEV> ifconfig em1 > em1: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 > options=209b > ether 00:13:21:5b:05:1d > inet 10.10.10.14 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.10.10.255 > inet6 fe80::213:21ff:fe5b:51d%em1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x5 > nd6 options=29 > media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) > status: active > ZEEV> > > I get exactly the same "Connection refused" if I > connect from another host. > > I turned the firewall off completely. > > What could be the problems? > > Many thanks > Anton > Hi Anton, The first place that I'd start is checking if the TCP port for svnserve is listening for connections: netstat -an | grep 3690 If it isn't, then something is not working correctly when svnserve starts in daemon mode. If it is listening, then something is still blocking the connection from your svn client to the TCP port. The fact that you're getting a "localhost: Network is unreachable" error is strange. What is the output of "/sbin/ifconfig -a" and "netstat -rn"? Regards, Greg - -- Greg Larkin http://www.FreeBSD.org/ - The Power To Serve http://www.sourcehosting.net/ - Ready. Set. Code. http://twitter.com/sourcehosting/ - Follow me, follow you -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1nuYIACgkQ0sRouByUApAhIACeOBk9/CGcoj3rsg49P97u8ql3 LnYAoMTjq71cLafJi/NACTU4gIsB2VOE =XTJF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 14:33:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C8F106566B for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:33:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirj.bris.ac.uk (dirj.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 556C58FC08 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:33:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ncsc.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.41]) by dirj.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Psyj5-0006EH-Sd; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:33:00 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by ncsc.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Psyj5-0000Ry-Nh; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:32:59 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1PEWxeT072017; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:32:59 GMT (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p1PEWxGQ072016; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:32:59 GMT (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk: mexas set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:32:59 +0000 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: Greg Larkin Message-ID: <20110225143259.GA71981@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Greg Larkin , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, mexas@bristol.ac.uk References: <20110225092303.GA2086@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <4D67B982.6030601@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D67B982.6030601@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: mexas@bristol.ac.uk, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: setting up svn server - Connection refused X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:33:02 -0000 On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 09:15:30AM -0500, Greg Larkin wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 2/25/11 4:23 AM, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > > I'm learning how to set up svn server. > > I've read through several sections of > > http://svnbook.red-bean.com/nightly/en/ > > > > Here's what I do: > > > > ZEEV> svnadmin create /home/mexas/zzz > > ZEEV> svnlook info zzz > > > > 2011-02-25 09:15:28 +0000 (Fri, 25 Feb 2011) > > 0 > > ZEEV> svnserve -d > > ZEEV> ps ax | grep svnserve > > 66952 ?? Ss 0:00.01 /usr/local/bin/svnserve.bin -d > > ZEEV> mkdir /home/mexas/zzz.work > > ZEEV> cd /home/mexas/zzz.work/ > > > > When I try to connect to the svn server, I get this: > > > > > > ZEEV> svn co svn://localhost/home/mexas/zzz . > > svn: Can't connect to host 'localhost': Network is unreachable > > ZEEV> svn co svn://10.10.10.14/home/mexas/zzz . > > svn: Can't connect to host '10.10.10.14': Connection refused > > > > ZEEV> ifconfig em1 > > em1: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 > > options=209b > > ether 00:13:21:5b:05:1d > > inet 10.10.10.14 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.10.10.255 > > inet6 fe80::213:21ff:fe5b:51d%em1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x5 > > nd6 options=29 > > media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) > > status: active > > ZEEV> > > > > I get exactly the same "Connection refused" if I > > connect from another host. > > > > I turned the firewall off completely. > > > > What could be the problems? > > > > Many thanks > > Anton > > > > Hi Anton, > > The first place that I'd start is checking if the TCP port for svnserve > is listening for connections: > > netstat -an | grep 3690 # svnserve -d # netstat -an | grep 3690 tcp6 0 0 *.3690 *.* LISTEN # > If it isn't, then something is not working correctly when svnserve > starts in daemon mode. If it is listening, then something is still > blocking the connection from your svn client to the TCP port. > > The fact that you're getting a "localhost: Network is unreachable" error > is strange. What is the output of "/sbin/ifconfig -a" and "netstat -rn"? # /sbin/ifconfig -a em0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=209b ether 00:13:21:5b:05:1c inet 137.222.187.28 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 137.222.187.255 inet6 fe80::213:21ff:fe5b:51c%em0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x4 nd6 options=29 media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT ) status: active em1: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=209b ether 00:13:21:5b:05:1d inet 10.10.10.14 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.10.10.255 inet6 fe80::213:21ff:fe5b:51d%em1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x5 nd6 options=29 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active lo0: flags=8049 metric 0 mtu 16384 options=3 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x6 nd6 options=21 # # netstat -rn Routing tables Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire default 137.222.187.250 UGS 0 697 em0 10.10.10.0/24 link#5 U 0 0 em1 10.10.10.14 link#5 UHS 0 0 lo0 127.0.0.1 link#6 UH 0 44 lo0 137.222.187.0/24 link#4 U 1 338 em0 137.222.187.28 link#4 UHS 0 0 lo0 Internet6: Destination Gateway Flags Netif Expire ::/96 ::1 UGRS lo0 ::1 ::1 UH lo0 ::ffff:0.0.0.0/96 ::1 UGRS lo0 fe80::/10 ::1 UGRS lo0 fe80::%em0/64 link#4 U em0 fe80::213:21ff:fe5b:51c%em0 link#4 UHS lo0 fe80::%em1/64 link#5 U em1 fe80::213:21ff:fe5b:51d%em1 link#5 UHS lo0 fe80::%lo0/64 link#6 U lo0 fe80::1%lo0 link#6 UHS lo0 ff01:4::/32 fe80::213:21ff:fe5b:51c%em0 U em0 ff01:5::/32 fe80::213:21ff:fe5b:51d%em1 U em1 ff01:6::/32 ::1 U lo0 ff02::/16 ::1 UGRS lo0 ff02::%em0/32 fe80::213:21ff:fe5b:51c%em0 U em0 ff02::%em1/32 fe80::213:21ff:fe5b:51d%em1 U em1 ff02::%lo0/32 ::1 U lo0 # Many thanks for your help, Greg. However, following David Kelly's advice, I switched to svn+ssh, and that seems to work fine. Nevertheless, I'm curious to find out why svnserve is not working as expected. Anton -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 14:36:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84AAA1065679 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:36:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (asmtp4.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E6618FC1A for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:36:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p1PEaZ38012898 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:36:35 GMT Received: from orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (80-45-152-196.static.dsl.as9105.com [80.45.152.196]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p1PEaV83012879 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:36:31 GMT Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6092833C3D; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:36:31 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:36:31 +0000 From: Frank Shute To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110225143631.GA16253@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <20110225092303.GA2086@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110225092303.GA2086@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.2-RC2 amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Subject: Re: setting up svn server - Connection refused X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:36:39 -0000 --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 09:23:03AM +0000, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > > I'm learning how to set up svn server. > I've read through several sections of > http://svnbook.red-bean.com/nightly/en/ >=20 > Here's what I do: >=20 > ZEEV> svnadmin create /home/mexas/zzz > ZEEV> svnlook info zzz >=20 > 2011-02-25 09:15:28 +0000 (Fri, 25 Feb 2011) > 0 > ZEEV> svnserve -d > ZEEV> ps ax | grep svnserve > 66952 ?? Ss 0:00.01 /usr/local/bin/svnserve.bin -d > ZEEV> mkdir /home/mexas/zzz.work > ZEEV> cd /home/mexas/zzz.work/ >=20 > When I try to connect to the svn server, I get this: >=20 >=20 > ZEEV> svn co svn://localhost/home/mexas/zzz . > svn: Can't connect to host 'localhost': Network is unreachable This sounds like it's a problem with your routing table. Does: $ netstat -r show a destination of localhost? $ ping localhost is useful. > ZEEV> svn co svn://10.10.10.14/home/mexas/zzz . > svn: Can't connect to host '10.10.10.14': Connection refused That's more hopeful. Don't know what's wrong though! >=20 > ZEEV> ifconfig em1 > em1: flags=3D8843 metric 0 mtu 15= 00 > options=3D209b > ether 00:13:21:5b:05:1d > inet 10.10.10.14 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.10.10.255 > inet6 fe80::213:21ff:fe5b:51d%em1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x5=20 > nd6 options=3D29 > media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) > status: active > ZEEV>=20 >=20 > I get exactly the same "Connection refused" if I > connect from another host. >=20 > I turned the firewall off completely. >=20 > What could be the problems? >=20 It was a few years ago that I setup my svn repository and I referenced the book you're using too.=20 I launch it out of inetd.conf. I've got the line: svn stream tcp nowait frank /usr/local/bin/svnserve svnserve -i in there. Fixed hosts.allow to only allow machines on the lan to connect and it works well. Sorry I can't be more helpful but a different approach to running a daemon permanently is probably a good idea. Regards, --=20 Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1nvm4ACgkQHduKvUAgeK5ZeQCgj/Hj9GAZBM7GUcASse0kuiVT nJAAmgLmGFRuAGgrCfdmnNjHZ4Pcn8pH =2EaC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 14:50:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E641065670 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:50:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 940918FC0A for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:50:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ncsc.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.41]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Psyjb-0002Hx-Fz; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:33:31 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by ncsc.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Psyjb-0000Sx-BB; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:33:31 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1PEXV00072037; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:33:31 GMT (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p1PEXV9C072036; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:33:31 GMT (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk: mexas set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:33:31 +0000 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110225143330.GB71981@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: questions@freebsd.org, Anton Shterenlikht References: <20110225092303.GA2086@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Anton Shterenlikht Subject: Re: setting up svn server - Connection refused X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:50:52 -0000 On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 07:09:04AM -0600, David Kelly wrote: > > On Feb 25, 2011, at 3:23 AM, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > > > When I try to connect to the svn server, I get this: > > > > ZEEV> svn co svn://localhost/home/mexas/zzz . > > svn: Can't connect to host 'localhost': Network is unreachable > > ZEEV> svn co svn://10.10.10.14/home/mexas/zzz . > > svn: Can't connect to host '10.10.10.14': Connection refused > > Forget the SVN server daemon its much easier to use svn+ssh:// than svn:// Yes, it is much simpler, and works ok. Many thanks Anton -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 15:00:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EC521065670 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:00:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail1.sourcehosting.net (113901-app1.sourcehosting.net [72.32.213.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1639B8FC12 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:00:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 68-189-245-235.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com ([68.189.245.235] helo=cube.entropy.prv) by mail1.sourcehosting.net with esmtp (Exim 4.73 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Psz98-000JLT-Ih; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:00:04 -0500 Received: from v105.entropy.prv (v105.entropy.prv [192.168.1.105]) by cube.entropy.prv (Postfix) with ESMTP id 791C14B1EE82; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:59:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4D67C3EA.50906@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:59:54 -0500 From: Greg Larkin Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, mexas@bristol.ac.uk References: <20110225092303.GA2086@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <4D67B982.6030601@FreeBSD.org> <20110225143259.GA71981@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <20110225143259.GA71981@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=1C940290 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 68.189.245.235 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: glarkin@FreeBSD.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on mail1.sourcehosting.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL, BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL,RDNS_DYNAMIC,TVD_RCVD_IP autolearn=no version=3.3.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on mail1.sourcehosting.net) Cc: Subject: Re: setting up svn server - Connection refused X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: glarkin@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:00:06 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2/25/11 9:32 AM, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: [...] > > > Many thanks for your help, Greg. > > However, following David Kelly's advice, > I switched to svn+ssh, and that seems > to work fine. Nevertheless, I'm curious > to find out why svnserve is not working > as expected. > > Anton > Hi Anton, Frank Shute mentioned /etc/hosts.allow in his reply. Is there anything in that file that prevents the connection to TCP port 3690? Otherwise, I didn't see anything in the output of your commands that indicate a problem. When I have a problem like this, I often run the failing command under truss(1) or strace to help me determine why a connection fails or a file cannot be opened. That may help, but I'm glad svn+ssh:// is working in the mean time. Cheers, Greg - -- Greg Larkin http://www.FreeBSD.org/ - The Power To Serve http://www.sourcehosting.net/ - Ready. Set. Code. http://twitter.com/sourcehosting/ - Follow me, follow you -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1nw+oACgkQ0sRouByUApBfeACeJtju9Tif9Rsxv5DEnO710xnq 1nwAoMH/ECMlKOdJ6NYawQJozohp50yJ =7DbG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 15:07:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F60A106566B for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:07:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E22658FC1A for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:07:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1PF7qcx019224 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 08:07:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p1PF7qWh019221 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 08:07:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 08:07:52 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20110225073814.57dcdd68@scorpio> Message-ID: References: <20110224102357.15af921c@scorpio> <20110225073814.57dcdd68@scorpio> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 25 Feb 2011 08:07:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: HAL's demise X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:07:53 -0000 On Fri, 25 Feb 2011, Jerry wrote: > GNOME switched over a year ago, KDE and XFCE finished the > transition a couple of months back. Other distros are apparently not > even distributing it. What is preventing FBSD from joining the party? Lack of a udev specification, for a start: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-x11/2011-February/010481.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 15:11:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D33C106566B; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:11:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirj.bris.ac.uk (dirj.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 564F58FC19; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:11:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ncsc.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.41]) by dirj.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PszKh-0000yv-0d; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:11:51 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by ncsc.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PszKg-0001ut-QK; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:11:50 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1PFBo5h072232; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:11:50 GMT (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p1PFBoMK072231; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:11:50 GMT (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk: mexas set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:11:50 +0000 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: Greg Larkin Message-ID: <20110225151150.GA72204@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Greg Larkin , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, mexas@bristol.ac.uk References: <20110225092303.GA2086@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <4D67B982.6030601@FreeBSD.org> <20110225143259.GA71981@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <4D67C3EA.50906@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D67C3EA.50906@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: mexas@bristol.ac.uk, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: setting up svn server - Connection refused X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:11:52 -0000 On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 09:59:54AM -0500, Greg Larkin wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 2/25/11 9:32 AM, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > [...] > > > > > > Many thanks for your help, Greg. > > > > However, following David Kelly's advice, > > I switched to svn+ssh, and that seems > > to work fine. Nevertheless, I'm curious > > to find out why svnserve is not working > > as expected. > > > > Anton > > > > Hi Anton, > > Frank Shute mentioned /etc/hosts.allow in his reply. Is there anything > in that file that prevents the connection to TCP port 3690? not sure, here it is: # # hosts.allow access control file for "tcp wrapped" applications. # $FreeBSD: head/etc/hosts.allow 161710 2006-08-29 09:20:48Z ru $ # # NOTE: The hosts.deny file is deprecated. # Place both 'allow' and 'deny' rules in the hosts.allow file. # See hosts_options(5) for the format of this file. # hosts_access(5) no longer fully applies. # Protect against simple DNS spoofing attacks by checking that the # forward and reverse records for the remote host match. If a mismatch # occurs, access is denied, and any positive ident response within # 20 seconds is logged. No protection is afforded against DNS poisoning, # IP spoofing or more complicated attacks. Hosts with no reverse DNS # pass this rule. ALL : PARANOID : RFC931 20 : deny # Allow anything from localhost. Note that an IP address (not a host # name) *MUST* be specified for rpcbind(8). ALL : localhost 127.0.0.1 : allow # Comment out next line if you build libwrap without IPv6 support. ALL : [::1] : allow #ALL : my.machine.example.com 192.0.2.35 : allow # To use IPv6 addresses you must enclose them in []'s #ALL : [fe80::%fxp0]/10 : allow #ALL : [fe80::]/10 : deny #ALL : [2001:db8:2:1:2:3:4:3fe1] : deny #ALL : [2001:db8:2:1::]/64 : allow # Sendmail can help protect you against spammers and relay-rapers sendmail : localhost : allow #sendmail : .nice.guy.example.com : allow #sendmail : .evil.cracker.example.com : deny sendmail : ALL : allow # Rpcbind is used for all RPC services; protect your NFS! # (IP addresses rather than hostnames *MUST* be used here) #rpcbind : 192.0.2.32/255.255.255.224 : allow #rpcbind : 192.0.2.96/255.255.255.224 : allow rpcbind : ALL : deny # NIS master server. Only local nets should have access # (Since this is an RPC service, rpcbind needs to be considered) ypserv : localhost : allow #ypserv : .unsafe.my.net.example.com : deny #ypserv : .my.net.example.com : allow ypserv : ALL : deny # sshd : ALL : allow svn : ALL : allow # allow all access from TZAV and pointyhat.freebsd.org ALL : 137.222.187.241 : allow ALL : 69.147.83.43 : allow ALL : 10.10.10.31 : allow # The rest of the daemons are protected. ALL : ALL \ : severity auth.info \ : twist /bin/echo "You are not welcome to use %d from %h." > > Otherwise, I didn't see anything in the output of your commands that > indicate a problem. When I have a problem like this, I often run the > failing command under truss(1) or strace to help me determine why a > connection fails or a file cannot be opened. That may help, but I'm > glad svn+ssh:// is working in the mean time. Ok, I might try to learn how to use this tool.. Many thanks Anton -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 17:07:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA381106566B; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 17:07:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from creddym@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C222B8FC0C; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 17:07:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwb31 with SMTP id 31so2433307wwb.31 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:07:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=hFtKhz+k1r4Gx+b9nyEZNwjTtFGSILGNVXJ6NTwJrYM=; b=v49c29Gwq3lAudbeTD12arjgzyXR8zLOGHHJGP/KUtkr+NO6tlg7pJtKdxGFB4hf2B o36tWUkLue4zp+jgpQkdbeuuPjIXrPg2pErKA6EeiEPGWqg2LiUWdEhhkj0Qg1h1Au9W lPCkiFnLZjCqZZ0K+ZK8FA0plc6FFWOwYAiaw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=NezypnHHcAPA8UxigfDnY8q5peM0C7Y6ANGxxgwSOdnZBOaugXLOGwXaZDWZfwU/ZK lTNNhNfuGNoo8CWkv4VQ7ov4tIhDmvWW3sozDNRqtI8WQO40DjUHWYhGDUanGPfal0nw C/yRDtOaG87BvqDXrucuWSSRnjoXDdOY3LrUI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.19.133 with SMTP id n5mr7062484wen.83.1298653632370; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:07:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.78.147 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:07:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:37:12 +0530 Message-ID: From: chandra reddy To: rwmaillists@googlemail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-i386@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD fetch does not download a file via a proxy for HTTPS URLS (the same works fine for HTTP urls) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 17:07:14 -0000 Hi RW, Thanks alot for your reply. Do you mean to say "curl" also not using a CONNECT to tunnel through to the actual server? How can I achieve downloading files HTTPS over a proxy? Thanks <%20http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.freebsd.devel.hackers/42588> -Chandra > Hi All, > > I am working on a project where i need to download a file via a proxy > server using HTTPS protocol. I found that fetch does not work/support > HTTPS requests over a proxy. I just checked and neither do wget nor curl. > I could overcome the above problem if I do the following change. > > 1375: > 1.58 > > des 1376: if (purl) { 1.51 > > des 1377: URL = purl; > I don't think that would work, presumably it would just cause an attempt at an ssl connection to the proxy, followed by a GET request for an https URL. https through a proxy is supposed to use a CONNECT to tunnel through to the actual server. On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 12:49 PM, chandra reddy wrote: > Hi All, > > I am working on a project where i need to download a file via a proxy > server using HTTPS protocol. I found that fetch does not work/support HTTPS > requests over a proxy. > > My setup would be like this: > > > > Intranet > Internet > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > | https or http | > https > | Client m/cs -----------------------------> Porxy Server > -------------------------------> Destination Server (or Download server) > | | > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > I can use https or http protocol between Client and Proxy but only HTTPS > is used between proxy and Destination server(or Download server) . > > I tried to use "squid" proxy as my proxy server and tried to download a > file from my download server to Client m/c using FreeBSD "fetch" command. > It fails to download a file via proxy for HTTPS requests Please note that > Proxy setup is 100% correct and a web server (Apache) running fine. > [I have tested it using my Mozilla browser on my PC]. > > I have done the following: > > 1. *Download a file using HTTPS over a proxy server* > > #env HTTP_PROXY=http://:3128/ /usr/sbin/fetch -v -o > /tmp/download.out 'https:///index.htm' > > looking up > > connecting to:443 > > connection established > > fetch: https:///index.htm Authentication error > Even I have tried this also and found the same error. > > #env HTTP_PROXY=https://:3128/ /usr/sbin/fetch -v -o > /tmp/download.out 'https:///index.htm' > > > My question is why it is not connected via "Proxy sever". It tries to > connect directly. I could see that if I use HTTP protocol then it connects > via proxy. > Please see the logs here. > > 2. *Download a file using HTTP over a proxy server* > > #env HTTP_PROXY=http://:3128/ /usr/sbin/fetch -v -o > /tmp/download.out 'http:///index.htm' > > looking up > > connecting to :3128 > > connection established > > requesting http://destination-server-ip/index.htm > Even I have tried this also and found that works fine. > > #env HTTP_PROXY=https://:3128/ /usr/sbin/fetch -v -o > /tmp/download.out 'http:///index.htm' > > I have debugged "fetch" and found that the following check is stopping > HTTPS requests over a proxy. > > *http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/lib/libfetch/http.c > > .OR. > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/lib/libfetch/http.c?annotate=1.78.2.5.4.1 > > * > > 1375: > 1.58 des 1376: if (purl && strcasecmp(URL->scheme, SCHEME_HTTPS) != 0) { > 1.51 des 1377: URL = purl; > > > > I could overcome the above problem if I do the following change. > > 1375: > 1.58 des 1376: if (purl) { > 1.51 des 1377: URL = purl; > > > I want to know why HTTPS over proxy is not working with "libfetch". I want > to make it work how can do it? > > Thanks > -Chandra > > -- Thanks, cr(); -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Remote debugging a buggy debugger with a cross buggy debugger is a funny thing" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 17:48:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1032F1065670 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 17:48:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from neil@cymru.com) Received: from obelisk11.ord01.cymru.com (obelisk11.ord01.cymru.com [38.229.66.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D70CA8FC08 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 17:48:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.252.199] (vpn-72-40.svcs.ord07.cymru.com [172.16.72.40]) by obelisk11.ord01.cymru.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52EF0B0384 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 17:26:54 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <8E8631C5-ED36-4B4D-8BF8-7F3A854E9AD0@cymru.com> From: Neil Long To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-372549357; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 17:26:52 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: freebsd-update housekeeping? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 17:48:19 -0000 --Apple-Mail-1-372549357 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Just noticed how large /var/db/freebsd-update has grown on a box I just upgraded from 7.3 to 7.4 (but I can't recall when I started using it). Is there a recommended approach or just rm the directory if I have no need to roll it back? Thanks Neil --Apple-Mail-1-372549357-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 17:56:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B35106566B for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 17:56:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfarmer@predatorlabs.net) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 080ED8FC0A for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 17:56:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws16 with SMTP id 16so1841915vws.13 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:56:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=predatorlabs.net; s=google; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=FmS+adDgbVYIcygOIGkpJPWj08j5EHfAXuWt3YXVT9k=; b=IBL4aLlZg+raLYXkRajanJGZ5vMAuwFEEOMt8xrVzs3Qs2TEIFknvknyWy+nBFWoE+ qbhw1GIH4iZWss1LDDmnMVGH/hJIHoHo+YqRkQPOkcraQU/p+KtfX6xyvJa6v8a8i8g3 8Lyel+dFxCsHKZBhh+9zgbZZxR0g9h36sXP3A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=predatorlabs.net; s=google; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=NB50TG7ysIwiCTByvyAynKGhBCFakhk0vDyAZAKMDgk3QXSqhibYQP9tcEbKPKft2r 6+fSy+9QbfxgUNCyt8HAbSlSlM80EFK2UJV+8brC/Nir485rU+1nqJpY9TfklktFq8TC cn/HjaNK5oLQVUkd9kHcnnMugenxKAWmbaCgY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.164.3 with SMTP id ym3mr4504060vdb.288.1298656589665; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:56:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.192.195 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:56:29 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.133.222] In-Reply-To: <20110225092303.GA2086@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <20110225092303.GA2086@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:56:29 -0800 Message-ID: From: Rob Farmer To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Anton Shterenlikht Subject: Re: setting up svn server - Connection refused X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 17:56:33 -0000 On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 1:23 AM, Anton Shterenlikht w= rote: > I'm learning how to set up svn server. > I've read through several sections of > http://svnbook.red-bean.com/nightly/en/ > > Here's what I do: > > ZEEV> svnadmin create /home/mexas/zzz > ZEEV> svnlook info zzz > > 2011-02-25 09:15:28 +0000 (Fri, 25 Feb 2011) > 0 > ZEEV> svnserve -d > ZEEV> ps ax | grep svnserve > 66952 =A0?? =A0Ss =A0 =A0 0:00.01 /usr/local/bin/svnserve.bin -d > ZEEV> mkdir /home/mexas/zzz.work > ZEEV> cd /home/mexas/zzz.work/ > > When I try to connect to the svn server, I get this: > > > ZEEV> svn co svn://localhost/home/mexas/zzz . > svn: Can't connect to host 'localhost': Network is unreachable > ZEEV> svn co svn://10.10.10.14/home/mexas/zzz . > svn: Can't connect to host '10.10.10.14': Connection refused > > ZEEV> ifconfig em1 > em1: flags=3D8843 metric 0 mtu 15= 00 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0options=3D209b > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0ether 00:13:21:5b:05:1d > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0inet 10.10.10.14 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.10.10.255 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0inet6 fe80::213:21ff:fe5b:51d%em1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x5 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0nd6 options=3D29 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0status: active > ZEEV> > > I get exactly the same "Connection refused" if I > connect from another host. > > I turned the firewall off completely. > > What could be the problems? >From the rc script (which would probably be better than starting it manuall= y): # Note: # svnserve bind per default at the ipv6 address! # If you want svnserve binding at ipv4 address, you have # to use option 'svnserve_flags' with --listen-host parameter Have you tried something like this in rc.conf: svnserve_flags=3D"-d --listen-port=3D3690 --listen-host 1.2.3.4" Also check the other variables in that file - you need to specify where the repo is (-r), the user to run as, etc. svn+ssh avoids all of this because there is no sever - it just executes svn in the user's ssh session and manipulate the repo's files directly (this allows users to accidentally or intentionally trash up the repo, so svnserve is safer if you don't fully trust all your committers. Plus you have to watch for permission and umask issues with svn+ssh). --=20 Rob Farmer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 18:02:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22200106564A for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 18:02:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 839273@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C600B8FC15 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 18:02:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyh4 with SMTP id 4so923155gyh.13 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:02:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; bh=huxRZLDzTSQAvHqeuu0OGsUjUsjop9DkrRiVPPDH2sM=; b=MQ0rcVJc3M7WBz8/VdufrlY0xaio1MF8SwmbQq1D+ZNQ00aUvYVybrhrCpsmh2xoBN c3OsDUDHOq11EP5rfbIgLb88+cpdSi8Ok4EoCCHK3IJhSjtP2CB4RPbNAYFsANVImcAH Ex6MzeZ8Ry2k4lM3drCU7dD4obN067odAgssM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=lrS/QPt66AMAFShP2QERnCj9+CmhDS0GvdaXCtGYpI5W6x3WiesidyV6VbMA5pYXpk A/PVS+Z7D727zAXP/dR3ZyeSAi8y5118KMBHdLUyH+xTdR0z4wt1K9YSy0omGTxyi093 dykmyBFkxGbXG54F7ddsyr0aJK0vZMZikNIc0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.109.15 with SMTP id l15mr4041033ybm.24.1298656965049; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:02:45 -0800 (PST) Sender: 839273@gmail.com Received: by 10.150.215.21 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:02:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20110224232404.GA13838@guilt.hydra> <20110225002644.GA14159@guilt.hydra> <20110225010037.GA25929@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110225013140.GC14304@guilt.hydra> <20110225021223.GA14459@guilt.hydra> <20110225022430.GA14682@guilt.hydra> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:32:44 -0430 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1J0I4x_cm221HWwHDdlMw_ENmeQ Message-ID: From: Andres Perera To: utisoft@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Chad Perrin , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: 839273@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 18:02:46 -0000 On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Chris Rees wrote: > On 25 February 2011 02:55, Andres Perera wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: >>> I apologize for the grammaticall brokenness of that sentence. >> >> maybe you should spam the hundreds of subscribers of this mailing list with >> this line: >> >> s,grammaticall,grammatical, >> >> >> jesus christ, you're such a friggen noob > > Before you criticise another's spelling/grammar, perhaps you could > learn where the Shift key is. wow another misguided puppy the keyword here is spamming now think about the differences between a crappy php web forum and a mailing list and how grammar/spelling can be inferred it's not just that you're noobs, but completely ungrateful ones > > Also, some quotes from you (spot the errors): > > and tcsh is inferior to mksh in everyway > > tcsh built uppon that code instead of basing [wow, two in the same sentence] > > been consistently argueing against the opposite > > a buncha noobs is what you both are [paira perhaps] > > > Normally it's considered bad form to attack another's use of language, > but you lose that protection if you pick on others' QWC. > > By the way, there's no such thing as a 'strawman', and perhaps you > could read about ad hominem arguments [1] and how you automatically > lose any arguments where you bring them in. > > Chris > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 18:18:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E1E1106566B for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 18:18:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@feld.me) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F02D58FC18 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 18:18:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxc34 with SMTP id 34so1851516vxc.13 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:18:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.164.166 with SMTP id yr6mr4466488vdb.245.1298656351737; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:52:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from tech304 (supranet-tech.secure-on.net [66.170.8.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i14sm459145vcr.35.2011.02.25.09.52.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:52:31 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:52:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Mark Felder" Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.01 (FreeBSD) Subject: Help: Looking to contact someone running FreeBSD on ESX X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 18:18:31 -0000 Hi all, We have quite a few BSD VMs on our infrastructure and are having some issues with our main webservers. They die randomly -- ESX shows high/100% CPU the exact moment it dies (very, very low up until that point), the console takes keyboard input but doesn't really do anything or switch VTs, and the server is pingable, but does nothing. We have to hard reboot. This has been going on for a while and we moved the VMs off our iSCSI SAN and onto local storge and it's happening still. (Found a few configuration issues with our SAN; thought it was the issue with preferred paths being problematic, etc). We really need to contact someone else who has had success and find out what's different about their environment. I'd like to note that we're still on ESX 4.0 (and behind a bit there) because our SAN wouldn't support 4.1 until recently and we haven't had time to switch. Personally, I'm convinced this is an ESX issue because BSD never panics and there's never anything reported on the console when this happens. I'd really like to hear from someone who has been running FreeBSD in production on ESX without issues and hopefully they could describe their setup so we can begin to compare issues. A few relavent things to note: The ones that crash are usually our main webservers (Apache, PHP, no MySQL locally though). We have LOTS of IPs on them and they do a ton of network traffic, but usually don't have a super high load average (maybe .75 - 1.0 on a normal day?). Currently we're running 8.1-RELEASE on them. As I said, they're on local storage right now, but they were on iSCSI to Dell MD3000i SANs (booo, hisss, we're dumping them so dont worry) ESX servers are a mix of Dell and HP.... Can't think of many more details. Thanks everyone. Mark From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 18:26:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA55106564A for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 18:26:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 460CD8FC14 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 18:26:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p1PIWmTW004839 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:32:48 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:32:48 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201102251832.p1PIWmTW004839@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20110225073814.57dcdd68@scorpio> Subject: Re: HAL's demise X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 18:26:41 -0000 > Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 07:38:14 -0500 > From: Jerry > Subject: Re: HAL's demise > > GNOME switched over a year ago, KDE and XFCE finished the transition a > couple of months back. Other distros are apparently not even distributing > it. What is preventing FBSD from joining the party? HAL's demise is indefinitely delayed. Dave Bowman is otherwise occupied. And Frank Poole is out of ciruculation. *GRIN* From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 18:31:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B817B106564A for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 18:31:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C58A8FC1D for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 18:31:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so2510578bwz.13 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:31:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=i/Uv1/Sqa6yB+FabDYE8IzysugxhSXZcukfmiGrWHaI=; b=Ow866Y2OFMo9d9sO2zITMdrs6JZ/W5Ig9NKtvePykS2PM+LQpvn4kNKbsxEFSlwJU9 BwdavEtFVEgQ4MuT84WNWtbTGGKxdEBCkvIWjRlqz2lM6FNXeQc0Q4jVdzA9/mDUeWr0 aFwoTwgi4TzxZRr3ttlnNxLtjlm5SmDvXNOGA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; b=GKdajTiOSK9jxrINbHkRkQnGfcssJVNx9SmkNUX26K2+sdFKQumUqXCj+hxR/ja1JR 11zb2T5cNMHf9l5LCOBsxfaJkhc69AIYZayzIi28LkTmHvOLTEmCoJI7Pdl/rtqUl5Cd Ee5bHtrGRrvyZbGyUSb/oARfRQlwlqvAMQQ/I= Received: by 10.204.70.137 with SMTP id d9mr2339663bkj.141.1298658670091; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:31:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.68.206 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:30:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20110224232404.GA13838@guilt.hydra> <20110225002644.GA14159@guilt.hydra> <20110225010037.GA25929@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110225013140.GC14304@guilt.hydra> <20110225021223.GA14459@guilt.hydra> <20110225022430.GA14682@guilt.hydra> From: Chris Rees Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 18:30:40 +0000 Message-ID: To: 839273@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Chad Perrin , Andres Perera , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 18:31:11 -0000 On 25 February 2011 18:02, Andres Perera wrote: > On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Chris Rees wrote: >> On 25 February 2011 02:55, Andres Perera wrote: >>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: >>>> I apologize for the grammaticall brokenness of that sentence. >>> >>> maybe you should spam the hundreds of subscribers of this mailing list with >>> this line: >>> >>> s,grammaticall,grammatical, >>> >>> >>> jesus christ, you're such a friggen noob >> >> Before you criticise another's spelling/grammar, perhaps you could >> learn where the Shift key is. > > wow another misguided puppy > > the keyword here is spamming > > now think about the differences between a crappy php web forum and a > mailing list > > and how grammar/spelling can be inferred > > > > it's not just that you're noobs, but completely ungrateful ones > Ungrateful? I really don't follow. Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 19:15:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C5011065672 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 19:15:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail1.sourcehosting.net (113901-app1.sourcehosting.net [72.32.213.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7346D8FC1C for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 19:15:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 68-189-245-235.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com ([68.189.245.235] helo=cube.entropy.prv) by mail1.sourcehosting.net with esmtp (Exim 4.73 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Pt38U-000Kru-PW; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:15:41 -0500 Received: from v105.entropy.prv (v105.entropy.prv [192.168.1.105]) by cube.entropy.prv (Postfix) with ESMTP id D66954B20925; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:15:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4D67FFD1.6090905@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:15:29 -0500 From: Greg Larkin Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Felder References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=1C940290 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 68.189.245.235 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: glarkin@FreeBSD.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on mail1.sourcehosting.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL, BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL,RDNS_DYNAMIC,TVD_RCVD_IP autolearn=no version=3.3.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on mail1.sourcehosting.net) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help: Looking to contact someone running FreeBSD on ESX X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: glarkin@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 19:15:43 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2/25/11 12:52 PM, Mark Felder wrote: > Hi all, > > We have quite a few BSD VMs on our infrastructure and are having some > issues with our main webservers. They die randomly -- ESX shows > high/100% CPU the exact moment it dies (very, very low up until that > point), the console takes keyboard input but doesn't really do anything > or switch VTs, and the server is pingable, but does nothing. We have to > hard reboot. This has been going on for a while and we moved the VMs off > our iSCSI SAN and onto local storge and it's happening still. (Found a > few configuration issues with our SAN; thought it was the issue with > preferred paths being problematic, etc). We really need to contact > someone else who has had success and find out what's different about > their environment. > > I'd like to note that we're still on ESX 4.0 (and behind a bit there) > because our SAN wouldn't support 4.1 until recently and we haven't had > time to switch. > > Personally, I'm convinced this is an ESX issue because BSD never panics > and there's never anything reported on the console when this happens. > I'd really like to hear from someone who has been running FreeBSD in > production on ESX without issues and hopefully they could describe their > setup so we can begin to compare issues. > > A few relavent things to note: > > The ones that crash are usually our main webservers (Apache, PHP, no > MySQL locally though). We have LOTS of IPs on them and they do a ton of > network traffic, but usually don't have a super high load average (maybe > .75 - 1.0 on a normal day?). Currently we're running 8.1-RELEASE on them. > > As I said, they're on local storage right now, but they were on iSCSI to > Dell MD3000i SANs (booo, hisss, we're dumping them so dont worry) > > ESX servers are a mix of Dell and HP.... > > Can't think of many more details. > > Thanks everyone. > > Mark Hi Mark, Are there any relevant messages logged in /var/log/messages prior to the FreeBSD hard reboot? I haven't used watchdogd(8) (http://bit.ly/eKHUEN) before, but I wonder if it would help you by firing some data logging command (-e option) so you have some information to go on. Regards, Greg - -- Greg Larkin http://www.FreeBSD.org/ - The Power To Serve http://www.sourcehosting.net/ - Ready. Set. Code. http://twitter.com/sourcehosting/ - Follow me, follow you -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1n/9EACgkQ0sRouByUApBdoQCgtq2MMP+xidLoFc5JEkEaRyN5 H8wAoIGrgMd5dx2QvambZeR0l1SEptkK =EoiA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 20:00:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601DB1065674 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 20:00:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@feld.me) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7CAE8FC18 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 20:00:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws16 with SMTP id 16so1966241vws.13 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:00:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.94.84 with SMTP id da20mr420432vdb.297.1298664047059; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:00:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from tech304 (supranet-tech.secure-on.net [66.170.8.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u4sm523716vch.12.2011.02.25.12.00.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:00:46 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: "Greg Larkin" References: <4D67FFD1.6090905@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:00:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Mark Felder" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4D67FFD1.6090905@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.01 (FreeBSD) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help: Looking to contact someone running FreeBSD on ESX X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 20:00:48 -0000 On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:15:29 -0600, Greg Larkin wrote: > I haven't used watchdogd(8) (http://bit.ly/eKHUEN) before, but I wonder > if it would help you by firing some data logging command (-e option) so > you have some information to go on. That actually looks like a great solution, but I currently cannot recompile the kernel to enable SW_WATCHDOG and take those servers down. We have identical hardware in a test environment that I can do that on and hopefully see if we can get a clone of the problematic VMs to fail there with the watchdogd enabled. Thanks, Mark From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 20:10:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE8A6106566B for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 20:10:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edwinlculp@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A980B8FC12 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 20:10:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxc34 with SMTP id 34so1962087vxc.13 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:10:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=OtlJxkmsZlI9ZH7+IazwECrvdszb8qYvOPN5kzGtMa0=; b=GylUNSB52RUYyrPUXpoC0WigmA47EG2PtKyghsEGkL73Qv7JbUOxTewuVY310vyq1e yuvAfYZpEo2hdGvwxMrN+aItZT2iA92NaHNCBwEzD2GTUzSTVI2+97C0UM11/6FSCWnI fbhLa25cHxCkWqtoJNP2y1ALeqA+fN5GWTrxA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=Bj+5rbYFITfUkiowcJQtiUig4+M3NjhsWerLqdmwSN7X9Mv+rzHTqqYubi+ukh8D+t QdzsdJjweJIxxdomi4MOT781SRaoFNiNIBqxlekQMvlgss1yrKc+Yp3DIZwSWnrvjB6O Kfo0MNL040rQx6fXza1R4dUIawnzU5Vc2FfSU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.90.13 with SMTP id bs13mr4733267vdb.309.1298664633919; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:10:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.200.137 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:10:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201102251832.p1PIWmTW004839@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <20110225073814.57dcdd68@scorpio> <201102251832.p1PIWmTW004839@mail.r-bonomi.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:10:33 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Edwin L. Culp W." To: Robert Bonomi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HAL's demise X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 20:10:35 -0000 2011/2/25 Robert Bonomi : > >> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 07:38:14 -0500 >> From: Jerry >> Subject: Re: HAL's demise >> >> GNOME switched over a year ago, KDE and XFCE finished the transition a >> couple of months back. Other distros are apparently not even distributing >> it. What is preventing FBSD from joining the party? > > > HAL's demise is indefinitely delayed. > > Dave Bowman is otherwise occupied. > And Frank Poole is out of ciruculation. > > > *GRIN* > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > It seems that xfce4 still expects hal in make config en libexo and maybe others but I stoped there. That is probably part of "HAL's demise is indefinitely delayed" So it appears that there isn't a major window manager that doesn't require hal, one way or the other. ed From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 20:19:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C9F4106566B for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 20:19:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevin.wilcox@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AA7C8FC12 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 20:19:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxl31 with SMTP id 31so999429yxl.13 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:19:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=vJAk7MRY4QZjnurltO3YqGbBXJvBl6/qheTHZGPxntk=; b=VtozTgWBbzC+EQIoa0mHL3jj7iagAl+lU2hhIJgjtvyYNfQOdBUkNII4z7Uc4YUZ2B GRCbI2nU+2FhdIEhFoasTC4u0VIWX/Lag7R2gAmM3akbW6WU5CxwKARTHfQfMYjFb3ZP yKr6cgEf0wgCnH09XxGlRPBWE3Cih0IMywJMg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=uSncvbE1191Uxep8FzdKcsOh+nzp+YUvlnXZnpwAXSjVgVPiwubsPQAtos1UANmRmF RbFSQhJFf03OfpW5EfLW5tBn+1OoEOu5ut699b6iLbm36glLP6cb1RblhFjm/iDztwH1 eIztO2uSQu81DjdfaOlbhHPi7IGACohye4tUs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.7.9 with SMTP id 9mr4289114agg.109.1298665192639; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:19:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.80.12 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:19:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:19:52 -0500 Message-ID: From: Kevin Wilcox To: Free BSD Questions list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: Help: Looking to contact someone running FreeBSD on ESX X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 20:19:53 -0000 On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 12:52, Mark Felder wrote: > The ones that crash are usually our main webservers (Apache, PHP, no MySQL > locally though). We have LOTS of IPs on them and they do a ton of network > traffic, but usually don't have a super high load average (maybe .75 - 1.0 > on a normal day?). Currently we're running 8.1-RELEASE on them. Just as a note regarding that load average and ESX. I've noticed that none of my FreeBSD VMs report a *true* load average on ESX. The CPU hardly ever spikes (particularly on some snort listeners) but ESX shows the VMs as being CPU-bound the better part of the day. You may want to take a look at what the ESX performance charts are showing during your heavy usage periods and particularly before things go pear-shaped. kmw From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 20:50:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F74A106566B for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 20:50:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Received: from ifdnrg29.ifdnrg.com (outbound.ifdnrg.com [193.200.98.138]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 069608FC18 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 20:50:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.85] (93-97-172-73.zone5.bethere.co.uk [93.97.172.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by ifdnrg29.ifdnrg.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1PKofh0086912 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 20:50:42 GMT (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Message-ID: <4D68161A.2060307@ifdnrg.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 20:50:34 +0000 From: Paul Macdonald User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: freebsd 8.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 20:50:45 -0000 Just a quick applaud for both the people behind 7.4/8.2 and those behind freebsd-update which led to a seamless and quick upgrade on many of many boxes earlier. thanks to everyone involved, good job! Paul. -- ------------------------- Paul Macdonald IFDNRG Ltd Web and video hosting ------------------------- t: 0131 5548070 m: 07534206249 e: paul@ifdnrg.com w: http://www.ifdnrg.com ------------------------- IFDNRG 40 Maritime Street Edinburgh EH6 6SA ------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 21:09:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E44C1065672 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 21:09:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail1.sourcehosting.net (113901-app1.sourcehosting.net [72.32.213.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E79F88FC15 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 21:09:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 68-189-245-235.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com ([68.189.245.235] helo=cube.entropy.prv) by mail1.sourcehosting.net with esmtp (Exim 4.73 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Pt4up-000LWl-4P; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 16:09:41 -0500 Received: from v105.entropy.prv (v105.entropy.prv [192.168.1.105]) by cube.entropy.prv (Postfix) with ESMTP id 799B64B21CAE; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 16:09:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4D681A8B.2060302@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 16:09:31 -0500 From: Greg Larkin Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Felder References: <4D67FFD1.6090905@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=1C940290 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 68.189.245.235 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: glarkin@FreeBSD.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on mail1.sourcehosting.net X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_PBL, RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL, RDNS_DYNAMIC, TVD_RCVD_IP autolearn=no version=3.3.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on mail1.sourcehosting.net) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help: Looking to contact someone running FreeBSD on ESX X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: glarkin@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 21:09:43 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2/25/11 3:00 PM, Mark Felder wrote: > On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:15:29 -0600, Greg Larkin > wrote: > >> I haven't used watchdogd(8) (http://bit.ly/eKHUEN) before, but I wonder >> if it would help you by firing some data logging command (-e option) so >> you have some information to go on. > > That actually looks like a great solution, but I currently cannot > recompile the kernel to enable SW_WATCHDOG and take those servers down. > We have identical hardware in a test environment that I can do that on > and hopefully see if we can get a clone of the problematic VMs to fail > there with the watchdogd enabled. > > Thanks, > Mark Hi Mark, That sounds good, and please post any further information so someone else can help you troubleshoot further. Here are some other questions for you to ponder: - - What appears in the Apache access & error logs just before a freeze occurs? - - Are you using any unusual Apache config file settings or modules? How about for PHP? - - Are all of your installed ports up to date? - - Have you done any Apache or PHP performance tuning using http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/misc/perf-tuning.html or http://phplens.com/lens/php-book/optimizing-debugging-php.php as starting points? - - Have you enabled a PHP log file to record errors, warnings, etc. generated by your application code? Hope that helps, Greg - -- Greg Larkin http://www.FreeBSD.org/ - The Power To Serve http://www.sourcehosting.net/ - Ready. Set. Code. http://twitter.com/sourcehosting/ - Follow me, follow you -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1oGosACgkQ0sRouByUApAQOgCfW47AXRKSCuj2ftZJSQubVEPw w54Ani/7k+SNvR4JllG5wJXQSmBE90Be =1PvS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 21:14:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B0811065670 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 21:14:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 839273@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 252768FC17 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 21:14:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywf9 with SMTP id 9so698657ywf.13 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:14:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; bh=F8XXhxEFIyxgxKQd7FetFNDFpDrLeyo7nvsIPEEvQKE=; b=h4YHuDxC1+a/FmtHsGUpChXN23E00syWKwrpF0SFclACgO8O9Fq3hDkIYimqUUJF8W vARWdfnIYeInEw8FX70c9Pi/nWrvV2wCaWvtceULQe+rSdlyq3bQBBYtT4ntOpO4XlBA oAX9wPOBvTijWTlcbkaTvmBlQdapkWB5styPM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=S3EVSlzEcQr+Byo2ib+izmQRdeEsmIdrsRbrEZvX+7eahfGVjdn5op1+7eNkdBwHWT 9F3tfhJjyREWD3wAyL1Ukmv1LBBZT6y5GUxrU5sUeYTxz8SjllF5T3y+8TLs4tNFo51B 84Imt/E5uHHHEwMf1mozVZEPBpMvEVCmtEDmQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.54.17 with SMTP id c17mr4091815yba.423.1298668490323; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:14:50 -0800 (PST) Sender: 839273@gmail.com Received: by 10.150.215.21 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:14:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110203212436.4399.qmail@dusk.parklogic.com> References: <20110203212436.4399.qmail@dusk.parklogic.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 16:44:50 -0430 X-Google-Sender-Auth: S5aaSZdMXH0r109EMPxsD_tfmo4 Message-ID: From: Andres Perera To: Jarrod Slick Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "Randal L. Schwartz" Subject: Re: qmail or postfix? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: 839273@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 21:14:51 -0000 On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Jarrod Slick wrote: > Dear Sir/Madam, > > Your email was unable reach the intended person that you were sending it to. > For more information on our business please click on the following link: > Click here for our website > We look forward to your continued business in the future. > > Regards, > Webmaster > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 21:29:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A18CB106566C for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 21:29:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirj.bris.ac.uk (dirj.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ADD78FC08 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 21:29:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ncsc.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.41]) by dirj.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pt5EC-0003PI-Bb; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 21:29:32 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by ncsc.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pt5EC-0001my-6A; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 21:29:32 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1PLTV7H073185; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 21:29:31 GMT (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p1PLTVGB073184; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 21:29:31 GMT (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk: mexas set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 21:29:31 +0000 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: Rob Farmer Message-ID: <20110225212931.GA73171@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Rob Farmer , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Anton Shterenlikht References: <20110225092303.GA2086@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Anton Shterenlikht , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: setting up svn server - Connection refused X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 21:29:33 -0000 On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 09:56:29AM -0800, Rob Farmer wrote: > > > > What could be the problems? > > >From the rc script (which would probably be better than starting it manually): > > # Note: > # svnserve bind per default at the ipv6 address! > # If you want svnserve binding at ipv4 address, you have > # to use option 'svnserve_flags' with --listen-host parameter Rob, thank you Anton -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 21:39:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DD84106566C for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 21:39:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlandys@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BB18FC14 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 21:39:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb32 with SMTP id 32so2421200wyb.13 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:39:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Hq6CkOQv9DUgLhFWcbfzLYWsQsb3hgn6VQXNpf8lBgc=; b=QHoF/COBTFiOTSieETAoCwUO7hkgOnqKBBBzaFT90eP7KOcOmxloUYrjDpxuf3lt1E FOW7PNAGw+SH6A43CKBqIu6R4Ivmydv+E3Jw9PE/TyaH8dFTAY+21E2hfQRJ1PuSERdI BA/vjQLrcefILC73XJWRgXh2wDL8VXhKtnEwA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=e/1M3IbowDOfxllfG65bz+/o8PgmvpjbY8NP30lDEPQmbxuTaT4cRs9Oc5AcKzusXe m4xlbSx61ZwKpHKC7a2BbjvK5cvkxFxBNZ9b+MX/7x+1oDLwq/mJ1YzI1E3Ox6OrKLt0 7lxuUoILdYah68e4s4IjmXG/BrS2FCXwk7p1w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.134.85 with SMTP id i21mr2605412wbt.49.1298669987139; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:39:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.151.133 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:39:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:39:47 -0800 Message-ID: From: Nerius Landys To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Upgrading 7.1 to 7.3, use 7.2 as a safe step? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 21:39:48 -0000 For me, time can be spared, but errors should be avoided at all costs. I have upgraded FreeBSD before, for example 7.0 -> 7.1. I use the buildworld/buildkernel procedure. I now have a 7.1 system. Should I upgrade to 7.2 and then to 7.3, or is it safe to go directly from 7.1 to 7.3? - Nerius P.S. I will also be upgrading 8.0 to 8.2 on another system, and assume the answer you give can be applied there as well. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 21:42:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FBBA106564A for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 21:42:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout020.mac.com (asmtpout020.mac.com [17.148.16.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 470D48FC16 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 21:42:57 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp020.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LH700KAS0BKHBA0@asmtp020.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:42:56 -0800 (PST) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-02-25_06:2011-02-25, 2011-02-25, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=1 spamscore=1 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=28 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1102250132 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:42:56 -0800 Message-id: <6CFE0F43-AFB2-43F4-954C-FB673F7C127B@mac.com> References: To: Nerius Landys X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrading 7.1 to 7.3, use 7.2 as a safe step? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 21:42:57 -0000 On Feb 25, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Nerius Landys wrote: > For me, time can be spared, but errors should be avoided at all costs. > I have upgraded FreeBSD before, for example 7.0 -> 7.1. I use the > buildworld/buildkernel procedure. > I now have a 7.1 system. Should I upgrade to 7.2 and then to 7.3, or > is it safe to go directly from 7.1 to 7.3? You shouldn't run into any unusual issues. Note that more care is needed if you are doing a major version bump-- ie, you should go to 7.4 -> 8.0 -> 8.2. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 21:45:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A2DF106564A for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 21:45:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailing@alokat.org) Received: from smtp.alokat.org (smtp.alokat.org [46.4.186.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E5CD8FC14 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 21:45:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.alokat.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.alokat.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A97A11250068 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:45:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.24.23] (188-192-38-254-dynip.superkabel.de [188.192.38.254]) by smtp.alokat.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4337A11250066 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:45:45 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D682300.4090007@alokat.org> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:45:36 +0100 From: Alokat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110221 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: display resolution on my thinkpad t61 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 21:45:47 -0000 Hi, I'm trying to modify my screen resolutions (use an external and the internal monitor). xrandr -q says: Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1440 x 960, maximum 2720 x 1024 VGA connected 1440x900+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 408mm x 255mm 1440x900 59.9*+ 75.0 1280x1024 75.0 60.0 1280x960 60.0 1152x864 75.0 1024x768 75.0 70.1 66.0 60.0 832x624 74.6 800x600 72.2 75.0 60.3 56.2 640x480 75.0 72.8 66.7 66.0 59.9 720x400 70.1 LVDS connected 1280x960+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 331mm x 207mm 1280x1024 85.0 75.0 60.0 1280x960 85.0* 60.0 1152x864 75.0 1024x768 85.0 75.0 70.1 60.0 832x624 74.6 800x600 85.1 72.2 75.0 60.3 56.2 640x480 85.0 72.8 75.0 59.9 720x400 85.0 640x400 85.1 640x350 85.1 TMDS-1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 1440x900 is enough for the external but the internal can / should use 1680x1050. How can I add this to xrandr? Regards, alokat From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 22:19:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FB82106566C for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:19:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=030ea4740=pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from ip-002.utdallas.edu (ip-002.utdallas.edu [129.110.20.108]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 739A48FC16 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:19:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Group: None X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmAKAF+yZ02BbgogSmdsb2JhbACmRwEBIAIgvTuFYASFEI1e X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.62,227,1297058400"; d="scan'208";a="51328761" Received: from zxtm01.utdallas.edu (HELO [129.110.200.11]) ([129.110.10.32]) by ip-002.utdallas.edu with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 25 Feb 2011 15:50:41 -0600 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:50:40 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl To: Nerius Landys , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <7067C20FC67DC094A9561818@utd71538.local> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: Upgrading 7.1 to 7.3, use 7.2 as a safe step? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:19:31 -0000 --On February 25, 2011 1:39:47 PM -0800 Nerius Landys wrote: > For me, time can be spared, but errors should be avoided at all costs. > I have upgraded FreeBSD before, for example 7.0 -> 7.1. I use the > buildworld/buildkernel procedure. > I now have a 7.1 system. Should I upgrade to 7.2 and then to 7.3, or > is it safe to go directly from 7.1 to 7.3? > I have upgraded several times across major versions without any problems. (5.x to 6.x, 6.x to 7.x). Each time I simply changed the supfile to the version I wanted to upgrade to, fetched the files and rebuilt world and kernel. After those are complete, I run a portupgrade -a to sync all the ports with the new sources. Note that this is *not* the way to do it if you absolutely must avoid problems, however slight the risk. -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 22:36:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19EF3106566C for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:36:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6CF88FC08 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:36:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so1688775iwn.13 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:36:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=V4G8vAPyQUoCfIbc47Ztasc1FqI8O/vmzAXQKo6IF3o=; b=sapbzckrJ1GSw0rf/QfLCVWANQY+ZcjBk1aU4Gm2uPW2IHUfLPgpV4akXZNvpEo5+W +ONKKw/tlDoyXgKlUnLRFcJ6de6F2agjVkGFx2107rrcTm0QYnDygQoIzvN41ZuSwwNe Trua1S5HjKGYEyci1EUdznosViWHzVoFien6c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=nXQoyH9vOrQLpmIGl6xJTJa4NTRudIiOBnzEaMEQ+/HC+3DHGsZMkS6+rBb7mlrqbD VM40rW2MkfMo8BojGKmZHhhfVYPexHGxArb0A4NbIDQcpGJzRTSBGpbzioK0j67dSRNl QLdBbJp1i5N2lh51T2zY/9BG1yBeRw992GqjM= Received: by 10.231.169.208 with SMTP id a16mr3313009ibz.45.1298673409143; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:36:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.32.68 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:36:29 -0800 (PST) From: Eitan Adler Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 17:36:29 -0500 Message-ID: To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=001636d344373b32b3049d22f792 Cc: Subject: Is CTM still being offered for updating FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:36:50 -0000 --001636d344373b32b3049d22f792 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/ctm-src-8/ appears to be empty and http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/ctm-users/2009-December/000226.html seems to be the last mention of CTM on any of the related mailing lists (other than a few people asking if it was down). So I have a few questions: 1) Is it still being offered and supported as a method of updating FreeBSD systems? 2) If not can the section in the handbook be removed? I have attached a patch which removes references to CTM from the handbook. Should it be applied? 3) Probably the most controversial question - but I'll ask it nonetheless. If CTM is no longer an option for updating FreeBSD is there any reason to leave it in base? Is it still being used by a sufficient number of people to maintain it? -- Eitan Adler --001636d344373b32b3049d22f792 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="remove-ctm.patch" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="remove-ctm.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Attachment-Id: f_gklok3ty0 SW5kZXg6IG1pcnJvcnMvY2hhcHRlci5zZ21sCj09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0KUkNTIGZpbGU6IC9ob21lL25j dnMvZG9jL2VuX1VTLklTTzg4NTktMS9ib29rcy9oYW5kYm9vay9taXJyb3JzL2NoYXB0ZXIuc2dt bCx2CnJldHJpZXZpbmcgcmV2aXNpb24gMS40OTMKZGlmZiAtdSAtcjEuNDkzIGNoYXB0ZXIuc2dt bAotLS0gbWlycm9ycy9jaGFwdGVyLnNnbWwJMTAgSmFuIDIwMTEgMTk6Mjk6MzIgLTAwMDAJMS40 OTMKKysrIG1pcnJvcnMvY2hhcHRlci5zZ21sCTI1IEZlYiAyMDExIDIyOjMzOjAwIC0wMDAwCkBA IC00OTcsMzQ1ICs0OTcsNiBAQAogICAgICAgPC9zZWN0Mj4KICAgICA8L3NlY3QxPgogICAgIAot ICAgIAotICA8c2VjdDEgaWQ9ImN0bSI+Ci0gICAgPHRpdGxlPlVzaW5nIENUTTwvdGl0bGU+Ci0K LSAgICAgIDxpbmRleHRlcm0+Ci0JPHByaW1hcnk+Q1RNPC9wcmltYXJ5PgotICAgICAgPC9pbmRl eHRlcm0+Ci0KLSAgICAgIDxwYXJhPjxhcHBsaWNhdGlvbj5DVE08L2FwcGxpY2F0aW9uPiBpcyBh IG1ldGhvZCBmb3Iga2VlcGluZyBhCi0JcmVtb3RlIGRpcmVjdG9yeSB0cmVlIGluIHN5bmMgd2l0 aCBhIGNlbnRyYWwgb25lLiAgSXQgaGFzIGJlZW4KLQlkZXZlbG9wZWQgZm9yIHVzYWdlIHdpdGgg Jm9zOydzIHNvdXJjZSB0cmVlcywgdGhvdWdoIG90aGVyCi0JcGVvcGxlIG1heSBmaW5kIGl0IHVz ZWZ1bCBmb3Igb3RoZXIgcHVycG9zZXMgYXMgdGltZSBnb2VzIGJ5LgotCUxpdHRsZSwgaWYgYW55 LCBkb2N1bWVudGF0aW9uIGN1cnJlbnRseSBleGlzdHMgYXQgdGhpcyB0aW1lIG9uIHRoZQotCXBy b2Nlc3Mgb2YgY3JlYXRpbmcgZGVsdGFzLCBzbyBjb250YWN0IHRoZSAmYS5jdG0tdXNlcnMubmFt ZTsgbWFpbGluZyBsaXN0IGZvciBtb3JlCi0JaW5mb3JtYXRpb24gYW5kIGlmIHlvdSB3aXNoIHRv IHVzZSA8YXBwbGljYXRpb24+Q1RNPC9hcHBsaWNhdGlvbj4KLQlmb3Igb3RoZXIgdGhpbmdzLjwv cGFyYT4KLQotICAgICAgPHNlY3QyPgotCTx0aXRsZT5XaHkgU2hvdWxkIEkgVXNlIDxhcHBsaWNh dGlvbj5DVE08L2FwcGxpY2F0aW9uPj88L3RpdGxlPgotCi0JPHBhcmE+PGFwcGxpY2F0aW9uPkNU TTwvYXBwbGljYXRpb24+IHdpbGwgZ2l2ZSB5b3UgYSBsb2NhbCBjb3B5IG9mCi0JICB0aGUgJm9z OyBzb3VyY2UgdHJlZXMuICBUaGVyZSBhcmUgYSBudW1iZXIgb2YKLQkgIDxxdW90ZT5mbGF2b3Jz PC9xdW90ZT4gb2YgdGhlIHRyZWUgYXZhaWxhYmxlLiAgV2hldGhlciB5b3Ugd2lzaAotCSAgdG8g dHJhY2sgdGhlIGVudGlyZSBDVlMgdHJlZSBvciBqdXN0IG9uZSBvZiB0aGUgYnJhbmNoZXMsCi0J ICA8YXBwbGljYXRpb24+Q1RNPC9hcHBsaWNhdGlvbj4gY2FuIHByb3ZpZGUgeW91IHRoZSBpbmZv cm1hdGlvbi4KLQkgIElmIHlvdSBhcmUgYW4gYWN0aXZlIGRldmVsb3BlciBvbiAmb3M7LCBidXQg aGF2ZSBsb3VzeSBvcgotCSAgbm9uLWV4aXN0ZW50IFRDUC9JUCBjb25uZWN0aXZpdHksIG9yIHNp bXBseSB3aXNoIHRvIGhhdmUgdGhlCi0JICBjaGFuZ2VzIGF1dG9tYXRpY2FsbHkgc2VudCB0byB5 b3UsCi0JICA8YXBwbGljYXRpb24+Q1RNPC9hcHBsaWNhdGlvbj4gd2FzIG1hZGUgZm9yIHlvdS4g IFlvdSB3aWxsIG5lZWQKLQkgIHRvIG9idGFpbiB1cCB0byB0aHJlZSBkZWx0YXMgcGVyIGRheSBm b3IgdGhlIG1vc3QgIGFjdGl2ZQotCSAgYnJhbmNoZXMuICBIb3dldmVyLCB5b3Ugc2hvdWxkIGNv bnNpZGVyIGhhdmluZyB0aGVtIHNlbnQgYnkKLQkgIGF1dG9tYXRpYyBlbWFpbC4gIFRoZSBzaXpl cyBvZiB0aGUgdXBkYXRlcyBhcmUgYWx3YXlzIGtlcHQgYXMKLQkgIHNtYWxsIGFzIHBvc3NpYmxl LiAgVGhpcyBpcyB0eXBpY2FsbHkgbGVzcyB0aGFuIDVLLCB3aXRoIGFuCi0JICBvY2Nhc2lvbmFs IChvbmUgaW4gdGVuKSBiZWluZyAxMC01MEsgYW5kIGV2ZXJ5IG5vdyBhbmQgdGhlbiBhCi0JICBs YXJnZSAxMDBLKyBvciBtb3JlIGNvbWluZyBhcm91bmQuPC9wYXJhPgotCi0JPHBhcmE+WW91IHdp bGwgYWxzbyBuZWVkIHRvIG1ha2UgeW91cnNlbGYgYXdhcmUgb2YgdGhlIHZhcmlvdXMKLQkgIGNh dmVhdHMgcmVsYXRlZCB0byB3b3JraW5nIGRpcmVjdGx5IGZyb20gdGhlIGRldmVsb3BtZW50IHNv dXJjZXMKLQkgIHJhdGhlciB0aGFuIGEgcHJlLXBhY2thZ2VkIHJlbGVhc2UuICBUaGlzIGlzIHBh cnRpY3VsYXJseSB0cnVlCi0JICBpZiB5b3UgY2hvb3NlIHRoZSA8cXVvdGU+Y3VycmVudDwvcXVv dGU+IHNvdXJjZXMuICBJdCBpcwotCSAgcmVjb21tZW5kZWQgdGhhdCB5b3UgcmVhZCA8bGluayBs aW5rZW5kPSJjdXJyZW50Ij5TdGF5aW5nCi0JICBjdXJyZW50IHdpdGggJm9zOzwvbGluaz4uPC9w YXJhPgotICAgICAgPC9zZWN0Mj4KLQotICAgICAgPHNlY3QyPgotCTx0aXRsZT5XaGF0IERvIEkg TmVlZCB0byBVc2UKLQkgIDxhcHBsaWNhdGlvbj5DVE08L2FwcGxpY2F0aW9uPj88L3RpdGxlPgot Ci0JPHBhcmE+WW91IHdpbGwgbmVlZCB0d28gdGhpbmdzOiBUaGUgPGFwcGxpY2F0aW9uPkNUTTwv YXBwbGljYXRpb24+Ci0JICBwcm9ncmFtLCBhbmQgdGhlIGluaXRpYWwgZGVsdGFzIHRvIGZlZWQg aXQgKHRvIGdldCB1cCB0bwotCSAgPHF1b3RlPmN1cnJlbnQ8L3F1b3RlPiBsZXZlbHMpLjwvcGFy YT4KLQkgICAgCi0JPHBhcmE+VGhlIDxhcHBsaWNhdGlvbj5DVE08L2FwcGxpY2F0aW9uPiBwcm9n cmFtIGhhcyBiZWVuIHBhcnQgb2YKLQkgICZvczsgZXZlciBzaW5jZSB2ZXJzaW9uIDIuMCB3YXMg cmVsZWFzZWQsIGFuZCBsaXZlcyBpbgotCSAgPGZpbGVuYW1lPi91c3Ivc3JjL3Vzci5zYmluL2N0 bTwvZmlsZW5hbWU+IGlmIHlvdSBoYXZlIGEgY29weQotCSAgb2YgdGhlIHNvdXJjZSBhdmFpbGFi bGUuPC9wYXJhPgotCi0JPHBhcmE+VGhlIDxxdW90ZT5kZWx0YXM8L3F1b3RlPiB5b3UgZmVlZAot CSAgPGFwcGxpY2F0aW9uPkNUTTwvYXBwbGljYXRpb24+IGNhbiBiZSBoYWQgdHdvIHdheXMsIEZU UCBvcgotCSAgZW1haWwuICBJZiB5b3UgaGF2ZSBnZW5lcmFsIEZUUCBhY2Nlc3MgdG8gdGhlIElu dGVybmV0IHRoZW4gdGhlCi0JICBmb2xsb3dpbmcgRlRQIHNpdGVzIHN1cHBvcnQgYWNjZXNzIHRv Ci0JICA8YXBwbGljYXRpb24+Q1RNPC9hcHBsaWNhdGlvbj46PC9wYXJhPgotCi0JPHBhcmE+PHVs aW5rIHVybD0iZnRwOi8vZnRwLkZyZWVCU0Qub3JnL3B1Yi9GcmVlQlNEL0NUTS8iPjwvdWxpbms+ PC9wYXJhPgotCi0JPHBhcmE+b3Igc2VlIHNlY3Rpb24gPGxpbmsKLQkgIGxpbmtlbmQ9Im1pcnJv cnMtY3RtIj5taXJyb3JzPC9saW5rPi48L3BhcmE+Ci0KLQk8cGFyYT5GVFAgdGhlIHJlbGV2YW50 IGRpcmVjdG9yeSBhbmQgZmV0Y2ggdGhlCi0JICA8ZmlsZW5hbWU+UkVBRE1FPC9maWxlbmFtZT4g ZmlsZSwgc3RhcnRpbmcgZnJvbSB0aGVyZS48L3BhcmE+Ci0KLQk8cGFyYT5JZiB5b3Ugd2lzaCB0 byBnZXQgeW91ciBkZWx0YXMgdmlhIGVtYWlsOjwvcGFyYT4KLQotCTxwYXJhPlN1YnNjcmliZSB0 byBvbmUgb2YgdGhlCi0JICA8YXBwbGljYXRpb24+Q1RNPC9hcHBsaWNhdGlvbj4gZGlzdHJpYnV0 aW9uIGxpc3RzLgotCSAgJmEuY3RtLWN2cy1jdXIubmFtZTsgc3VwcG9ydHMgdGhlIGVudGlyZSBD VlMgdHJlZS4KLQkgICZhLmN0bS1zcmMtY3VyLm5hbWU7IHN1cHBvcnRzIHRoZSBoZWFkIG9mIHRo ZSBkZXZlbG9wbWVudAotCSAgYnJhbmNoLiAgJmEuY3RtLXNyYy03Lm5hbWU7IHN1cHBvcnRzIHRo ZSA3LlggcmVsZWFzZQotCSAgYnJhbmNoLCBldGMuLiAgKElmIHlvdSBkbyBub3Qga25vdyBob3cg dG8gc3Vic2NyaWJlIHlvdXJzZWxmCi0JICB0byBhIGxpc3QsIGNsaWNrIG9uIHRoZSBsaXN0IG5h bWUgYWJvdmUgb3IgZ28gdG8KLQkgICZhLm1haWxtYW4ubGlzdHMubGluazsgYW5kIGNsaWNrIG9u IHRoZSBsaXN0IHRoYXQgeW91Ci0JICB3aXNoIHRvIHN1YnNjcmliZSB0by4gIFRoZSBsaXN0IHBh Z2Ugc2hvdWxkIGNvbnRhaW4gYWxsIG9mCi0JICB0aGUgbmVjZXNzYXJ5IHN1YnNjcmlwdGlvbiBp bnN0cnVjdGlvbnMuKTwvcGFyYT4KLQotCTxwYXJhPldoZW4geW91IGJlZ2luIHJlY2VpdmluZyB5 b3VyIDxhcHBsaWNhdGlvbj5DVE08L2FwcGxpY2F0aW9uPgotCSAgdXBkYXRlcyBpbiB0aGUgbWFp bCwgeW91IG1heSB1c2UgdGhlCi0JICA8Y29tbWFuZD5jdG1fcm1haWw8L2NvbW1hbmQ+IHByb2dy YW0gdG8gdW5wYWNrIGFuZCBhcHBseSB0aGVtLgotCSAgWW91IGNhbiBhY3R1YWxseSB1c2UgdGhl IDxjb21tYW5kPmN0bV9ybWFpbDwvY29tbWFuZD4gcHJvZ3JhbQotCSAgZGlyZWN0bHkgZnJvbSBh IGVudHJ5IGluIDxmaWxlbmFtZT4vZXRjL2FsaWFzZXM8L2ZpbGVuYW1lPiBpZgotCSAgeW91IHdh bnQgdG8gaGF2ZSB0aGUgcHJvY2VzcyBydW4gaW4gYSBmdWxseSBhdXRvbWF0ZWQgZmFzaGlvbi4K LQkgIENoZWNrIHRoZSA8Y29tbWFuZD5jdG1fcm1haWw8L2NvbW1hbmQ+IG1hbnVhbCBwYWdlIGZv ciBtb3JlCi0JICBkZXRhaWxzLjwvcGFyYT4KLQotCTxub3RlPgotCSAgPHBhcmE+Tm8gbWF0dGVy IHdoYXQgbWV0aG9kIHlvdSB1c2UgdG8gZ2V0IHRoZQotCSAgICA8YXBwbGljYXRpb24+Q1RNPC9h cHBsaWNhdGlvbj4gZGVsdGFzLCB5b3Ugc2hvdWxkIHN1YnNjcmliZSB0bwotCSAgICB0aGUgJmEu Y3RtLWFubm91bmNlLm5hbWU7IG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdC4gIEluCi0JICAgIHRoZSBmdXR1cmUsIHRo aXMgd2lsbCBiZSB0aGUgb25seSBwbGFjZSB3aGVyZSBhbm5vdW5jZW1lbnRzCi0JICAgIGNvbmNl cm5pbmcgdGhlIG9wZXJhdGlvbnMgb2YgdGhlCi0JICAgIDxhcHBsaWNhdGlvbj5DVE08L2FwcGxp Y2F0aW9uPiBzeXN0ZW0gd2lsbCBiZSBwb3N0ZWQuICBDbGljawotCSAgICBvbiB0aGUgbGlzdCBu YW1lIGFib3ZlIGFuZCBmb2xsb3cgdGhlIGluc3RydWN0aW9ucwotCSAgICB0byBzdWJzY3JpYmUg dG8gdGhlCi0JICAgIGxpc3QuPC9wYXJhPgotCTwvbm90ZT4KLSAgICAgIDwvc2VjdDI+Ci0KLSAg ICAgIDxzZWN0Mj4KLQk8dGl0bGU+VXNpbmcgPGFwcGxpY2F0aW9uPkNUTTwvYXBwbGljYXRpb24+ IGZvciB0aGUgRmlyc3QKLQkgIFRpbWU8L3RpdGxlPgotCi0JPHBhcmE+QmVmb3JlIHlvdSBjYW4g c3RhcnQgdXNpbmcgPGFwcGxpY2F0aW9uPkNUTTwvYXBwbGljYXRpb24+Ci0JICBkZWx0YXMsIHlv dSB3aWxsIG5lZWQgdG8gZ2V0IHRvIGEgc3RhcnRpbmcgcG9pbnQgZm9yIHRoZSBkZWx0YXMKLQkg IHByb2R1Y2VkIHN1YnNlcXVlbnRseSB0byBpdC48L3BhcmE+Ci0KLQk8cGFyYT5GaXJzdCB5b3Ug c2hvdWxkIGRldGVybWluZSB3aGF0IHlvdSBhbHJlYWR5IGhhdmUuICBFdmVyeW9uZQotCSAgY2Fu IHN0YXJ0IGZyb20gYW4gPHF1b3RlPmVtcHR5PC9xdW90ZT4gZGlyZWN0b3J5LiAgWW91IG11c3Qg dXNlCi0JICBhbiBpbml0aWFsIDxxdW90ZT5FbXB0eTwvcXVvdGU+IGRlbHRhIHRvIHN0YXJ0IG9m ZiB5b3VyCi0JICA8YXBwbGljYXRpb24+Q1RNPC9hcHBsaWNhdGlvbj4gc3VwcG9ydGVkIHRyZWUu ICBBdCBzb21lIHBvaW50IGl0Ci0JICBpcyBpbnRlbmRlZCB0aGF0IG9uZSBvZiB0aGVzZSA8cXVv dGU+c3RhcnRlZDwvcXVvdGU+IGRlbHRhcyBiZQotCSAgZGlzdHJpYnV0ZWQgb24gdGhlIENEIGZv ciB5b3VyIGNvbnZlbmllbmNlLCBob3dldmVyLCB0aGlzIGRvZXMKLQkgIG5vdCBjdXJyZW50bHkg aGFwcGVuLjwvcGFyYT4KLQotCTxwYXJhPlNpbmNlIHRoZSB0cmVlcyBhcmUgbWFueSB0ZW5zIG9m IG1lZ2FieXRlcywgeW91IHNob3VsZAotCSAgcHJlZmVyIHRvIHN0YXJ0IGZyb20gc29tZXRoaW5n IGFscmVhZHkgYXQgaGFuZC4gIElmIHlvdSBoYXZlIGEKLQkgIC1SRUxFQVNFIENELCB5b3UgY2Fu IGNvcHkgb3IgZXh0cmFjdCBhbiBpbml0aWFsIHNvdXJjZSBmcm9tIGl0LgotCSAgVGhpcyB3aWxs IHNhdmUgYSBzaWduaWZpY2FudCB0cmFuc2ZlciBvZiBkYXRhLjwvcGFyYT4KLQotCTxwYXJhPllv dSBjYW4gcmVjb2duaXplIHRoZXNlIDxxdW90ZT5zdGFydGVyPC9xdW90ZT4gZGVsdGFzIGJ5IHRo ZQotCSAgPGxpdGVyYWw+WDwvbGl0ZXJhbD4gYXBwZW5kZWQgdG8gdGhlIG51bWJlcgotCSAgKDxm aWxlbmFtZT5zcmMtY3VyLjMyMTBYRW1wdHkuZ3o8L2ZpbGVuYW1lPiBmb3IgaW5zdGFuY2UpLiAg VGhlCi0JICBkZXNpZ25hdGlvbiBmb2xsb3dpbmcgdGhlIDxsaXRlcmFsPlg8L2xpdGVyYWw+IGNv cnJlc3BvbmRzIHRvCi0JICB0aGUgb3JpZ2luIG9mIHlvdXIgaW5pdGlhbCA8cXVvdGU+c2VlZDwv cXVvdGU+LgotCSAgPGZpbGVuYW1lPkVtcHR5PC9maWxlbmFtZT4gaXMgYW4gZW1wdHkgZGlyZWN0 b3J5LiAgQXMgYSBydWxlIGEKLQkgIGJhc2UgdHJhbnNpdGlvbiBmcm9tIDxsaXRlcmFsPkVtcHR5 PC9saXRlcmFsPiBpcyBwcm9kdWNlZAotCSAgZXZlcnkgMTAwIGRlbHRhcy4gIEJ5IHRoZSB3YXks IHRoZXkgYXJlIGxhcmdlISA3MCB0byA4MAotCSAgTWVnYWJ5dGVzIG9mIDxjb21tYW5kPmd6aXA8 L2NvbW1hbmQ+J2QgZGF0YSBpcyBjb21tb24gZm9yIHRoZQotCSAgPGZpbGVuYW1lPlhFbXB0eTwv ZmlsZW5hbWU+IGRlbHRhcy48L3BhcmE+Ci0KLQk8cGFyYT5PbmNlIHlvdSBoYXZlIHBpY2tlZCBh IGJhc2UgZGVsdGEgdG8gc3RhcnQgZnJvbSwgeW91IHdpbGwgYWxzbwotCSAgbmVlZCBhbGwgZGVs dGFzIHdpdGggaGlnaGVyIG51bWJlcnMgZm9sbG93aW5nIGl0LjwvcGFyYT4KLSAgICAgIDwvc2Vj dDI+Ci0KLSAgICAgIDxzZWN0Mj4KLQk8dGl0bGU+VXNpbmcgPGFwcGxpY2F0aW9uPkNUTTwvYXBw bGljYXRpb24+IGluIFlvdXIgRGFpbHkKLQkgIExpZmU8L3RpdGxlPgotCi0JPHBhcmE+VG8gYXBw bHkgdGhlIGRlbHRhcywgc2ltcGx5IHNheTo8L3BhcmE+Ci0KLQk8c2NyZWVuPiZwcm9tcHQucm9v dDsgPHVzZXJpbnB1dD5jZCAvd2hlcmUvZXZlci95b3Uvd2FudC90aGUvc3R1ZmY8L3VzZXJpbnB1 dD4KLSZwcm9tcHQucm9vdDsgPHVzZXJpbnB1dD5jdG0gLXYgLXYgL3doZXJlL3lvdS9zdG9yZS95 b3VyL2RlbHRhcy9zcmMteHh4Lio8L3VzZXJpbnB1dD48L3NjcmVlbj4KLQotCTxwYXJhPjxhcHBs aWNhdGlvbj5DVE08L2FwcGxpY2F0aW9uPiB1bmRlcnN0YW5kcyBkZWx0YXMgd2hpY2ggaGF2ZQot CSAgYmVlbiBwdXQgdGhyb3VnaCA8Y29tbWFuZD5nemlwPC9jb21tYW5kPiwgc28geW91IGRvIG5v dCBuZWVkIHRvCi0JICA8Y29tbWFuZD5ndW56aXA8L2NvbW1hbmQ+IHRoZW0gZmlyc3QsIHRoaXMg c2F2ZXMgZGlzayBzcGFjZS48L3BhcmE+Ci0KLQk8cGFyYT5Vbmxlc3MgaXQgZmVlbHMgdmVyeSBz ZWN1cmUgYWJvdXQgdGhlIGVudGlyZSBwcm9jZXNzLAotCSAgPGFwcGxpY2F0aW9uPkNUTTwvYXBw bGljYXRpb24+IHdpbGwgbm90IHRvdWNoIHlvdXIgdHJlZS4gIFRvCi0JICB2ZXJpZnkgYSBkZWx0 YSB5b3UgY2FuIGFsc28gdXNlIHRoZSA8b3B0aW9uPi1jPC9vcHRpb24+IGZsYWcgYW5kCi0JICA8 YXBwbGljYXRpb24+Q1RNPC9hcHBsaWNhdGlvbj4gd2lsbCBub3QgYWN0dWFsbHkgdG91Y2ggeW91 cgotCSAgdHJlZTsgaXQgd2lsbCBtZXJlbHkgdmVyaWZ5IHRoZSBpbnRlZ3JpdHkgb2YgdGhlIGRl bHRhIGFuZCBzZWUKLQkgIGlmIGl0IHdvdWxkIGFwcGx5IGNsZWFubHkgdG8geW91ciBjdXJyZW50 IHRyZWUuPC9wYXJhPgotCi0JPHBhcmE+VGhlcmUgYXJlIG90aGVyIG9wdGlvbnMgdG8gPGFwcGxp Y2F0aW9uPkNUTTwvYXBwbGljYXRpb24+Ci0JICBhcyB3ZWxsLCBzZWUgdGhlIG1hbnVhbCBwYWdl cyBvciBsb29rIGluIHRoZSBzb3VyY2VzIGZvciBtb3JlCi0JICBpbmZvcm1hdGlvbi48L3BhcmE+ Ci0KLQk8cGFyYT5UaGF0IGlzIHJlYWxseSBhbGwgdGhlcmUgaXMgdG8gaXQuICBFdmVyeSB0aW1l IHlvdSBnZXQgYSBuZXcKLQkgIGRlbHRhLCBqdXN0IHJ1biBpdCB0aHJvdWdoIDxhcHBsaWNhdGlv bj5DVE08L2FwcGxpY2F0aW9uPiB0bwotCSAga2VlcCB5b3VyIHNvdXJjZXMgdXAgdG8gZGF0ZS48 L3BhcmE+Ci0KLQk8cGFyYT5EbyBub3QgcmVtb3ZlIHRoZSBkZWx0YXMgaWYgdGhleSBhcmUgaGFy ZCB0byBkb3dubG9hZCBhZ2Fpbi4KLQkgIFlvdSBqdXN0IG1pZ2h0IHdhbnQgdG8ga2VlcCB0aGVt IGFyb3VuZCBpbiBjYXNlIHNvbWV0aGluZyBiYWQKLQkgIGhhcHBlbnMuICBFdmVuIGlmIHlvdSBv bmx5IGhhdmUgZmxvcHB5IGRpc2tzLCBjb25zaWRlciB1c2luZwotCSAgPGNvbW1hbmQ+ZmR3cml0 ZTwvY29tbWFuZD4gdG8gbWFrZSBhIGNvcHkuPC9wYXJhPgotICAgICAgPC9zZWN0Mj4KLQotICAg ICAgPHNlY3QyPgotCTx0aXRsZT5LZWVwaW5nIFlvdXIgTG9jYWwgQ2hhbmdlczwvdGl0bGU+Ci0K LQk8cGFyYT5BcyBhIGRldmVsb3BlciBvbmUgd291bGQgbGlrZSB0byBleHBlcmltZW50IHdpdGgg YW5kIGNoYW5nZQotCSAgZmlsZXMgaW4gdGhlIHNvdXJjZSB0cmVlLiAgPGFwcGxpY2F0aW9uPkNU TTwvYXBwbGljYXRpb24+Ci0JICBzdXBwb3J0cyBsb2NhbCBtb2RpZmljYXRpb25zIGluIGEgbGlt aXRlZCB3YXk6IGJlZm9yZSBjaGVja2luZwotCSAgZm9yIHRoZSBwcmVzZW5jZSBvZiBhIGZpbGUg PGZpbGVuYW1lPmZvbzwvZmlsZW5hbWU+LCBpdCBmaXJzdAotCSAgbG9va3MgZm9yIDxmaWxlbmFt ZT5mb28uY3RtPC9maWxlbmFtZT4uICBJZiB0aGlzIGZpbGUgZXhpc3RzLAotCSAgPGFwcGxpY2F0 aW9uPkNUTTwvYXBwbGljYXRpb24+IHdpbGwgb3BlcmF0ZSBvbiBpdCBpbnN0ZWFkIG9mCi0JICA8 ZmlsZW5hbWU+Zm9vPC9maWxlbmFtZT4uPC9wYXJhPgotCi0JPHBhcmE+VGhpcyBiZWhhdmlvciBn aXZlcyB1cyBhIHNpbXBsZSB3YXkgdG8gbWFpbnRhaW4gbG9jYWwKLQkgIGNoYW5nZXM6ICBzaW1w bHkgY29weSB0aGUgZmlsZXMgeW91IHBsYW4gdG8gbW9kaWZ5IHRvIHRoZQotCSAgY29ycmVzcG9u ZGluZyBmaWxlIG5hbWVzIHdpdGggYSA8ZmlsZW5hbWU+LmN0bTwvZmlsZW5hbWU+Ci0JICBzdWZm aXguICBUaGVuIHlvdSBjYW4gZnJlZWx5IGhhY2sgIHRoZSBjb2RlLCB3aGlsZSA8YXBwbGljYXRp b24+Q1RNPC9hcHBsaWNhdGlvbj4ga2VlcHMgdGhlCi0JICA8ZmlsZW5hbWU+LmN0bTwvZmlsZW5h bWU+IGZpbGUgdXAtdG8tZGF0ZS48L3BhcmE+Ci0gICAgICA8L3NlY3QyPgotCi0gICAgICA8c2Vj dDI+Ci0JPHRpdGxlPk90aGVyIEludGVyZXN0aW5nIDxhcHBsaWNhdGlvbj5DVE08L2FwcGxpY2F0 aW9uPiBPcHRpb25zPC90aXRsZT4KLQotCTxzZWN0Mz4KLQkgIDx0aXRsZT5GaW5kaW5nIE91dCBF eGFjdGx5IFdoYXQgV291bGQgQmUgVG91Y2hlZCBieSBhbgotCSAgICBVcGRhdGU8L3RpdGxlPgot Ci0JICA8cGFyYT5Zb3UgY2FuIGRldGVybWluZSB0aGUgbGlzdCBvZiBjaGFuZ2VzIHRoYXQKLQkg ICAgPGFwcGxpY2F0aW9uPkNUTTwvYXBwbGljYXRpb24+IHdpbGwgbWFrZSBvbiB5b3VyIHNvdXJj ZQotCSAgICByZXBvc2l0b3J5IHVzaW5nIHRoZSA8b3B0aW9uPi1sPC9vcHRpb24+IG9wdGlvbiB0 bwotCSAgICA8YXBwbGljYXRpb24+Q1RNPC9hcHBsaWNhdGlvbj4uPC9wYXJhPgotCi0JICA8cGFy YT5UaGlzIGlzIHVzZWZ1bCBpZiB5b3Ugd291bGQgbGlrZSB0byBrZWVwIGxvZ3Mgb2YgdGhlCi0J ICAgIGNoYW5nZXMsIHByZS0gb3IgcG9zdC0gcHJvY2VzcyB0aGUgbW9kaWZpZWQgZmlsZXMgaW4g YW55Ci0JICAgIG1hbm5lciwgb3IganVzdCBhcmUgZmVlbGluZyBhIHRhZCBwYXJhbm9pZC48L3Bh cmE+Ci0JPC9zZWN0Mz4KLQotCTxzZWN0Mz4KLQkgIDx0aXRsZT5NYWtpbmcgQmFja3VwcyBCZWZv cmUgVXBkYXRpbmc8L3RpdGxlPgotCi0JICA8cGFyYT5Tb21ldGltZXMgeW91IG1heSB3YW50IHRv IGJhY2t1cCBhbGwgdGhlIGZpbGVzIHRoYXQgd291bGQKLQkgICAgYmUgY2hhbmdlZCBieSBhIDxh cHBsaWNhdGlvbj5DVE08L2FwcGxpY2F0aW9uPiB1cGRhdGUuPC9wYXJhPgotCi0JICA8cGFyYT5T cGVjaWZ5aW5nIHRoZSA8b3B0aW9uPi1CIGJhY2t1cC1maWxlPC9vcHRpb24+IG9wdGlvbgotCSAg ICBjYXVzZXMgPGFwcGxpY2F0aW9uPkNUTTwvYXBwbGljYXRpb24+IHRvIGJhY2t1cCBhbGwgZmls ZXMgdGhhdAotCSAgICB3b3VsZCBiZSB0b3VjaGVkIGJ5IGEgZ2l2ZW4gPGFwcGxpY2F0aW9uPkNU TTwvYXBwbGljYXRpb24+Ci0JICAgIGRlbHRhIHRvIDxmaWxlbmFtZT5iYWNrdXAtZmlsZTwvZmls ZW5hbWU+LjwvcGFyYT4KLQk8L3NlY3QzPgotCi0JPHNlY3QzPgotCSAgPHRpdGxlPlJlc3RyaWN0 aW5nIHRoZSBGaWxlcyBUb3VjaGVkIGJ5IGFuIFVwZGF0ZTwvdGl0bGU+Ci0KLQkgIDxwYXJhPlNv bWV0aW1lcyB5b3Ugd291bGQgYmUgaW50ZXJlc3RlZCBpbiByZXN0cmljdGluZyB0aGUgc2NvcGUK LQkgICAgb2YgYSBnaXZlbiA8YXBwbGljYXRpb24+Q1RNPC9hcHBsaWNhdGlvbj4gdXBkYXRlLCBv ciBtYXkgYmUKLQkgICAgaW50ZXJlc3RlZCBpbiBleHRyYWN0aW5nIGp1c3QgYSBmZXcgZmlsZXMg ZnJvbSBhIHNlcXVlbmNlIG9mCi0JICAgIGRlbHRhcy48L3BhcmE+Ci0KLQkgIDxwYXJhPllvdSBj YW4gY29udHJvbCB0aGUgbGlzdCBvZiBmaWxlcyB0aGF0Ci0JICAgIDxhcHBsaWNhdGlvbj5DVE08 L2FwcGxpY2F0aW9uPiB3b3VsZCBvcGVyYXRlIG9uIGJ5IHNwZWNpZnlpbmcKLQkgICAgZmlsdGVy aW5nIHJlZ3VsYXIgZXhwcmVzc2lvbnMgdXNpbmcgdGhlIDxvcHRpb24+LWU8L29wdGlvbj4KLQkg ICAgYW5kIDxvcHRpb24+LXg8L29wdGlvbj4gb3B0aW9ucy48L3BhcmE+Ci0KLQkgIDxwYXJhPkZv ciBleGFtcGxlLCB0byBleHRyYWN0IGFuIHVwLXRvLWRhdGUgY29weSBvZgotCSAgICA8ZmlsZW5h bWU+bGliL2xpYmMvTWFrZWZpbGU8L2ZpbGVuYW1lPiBmcm9tIHlvdXIgY29sbGVjdGlvbiBvZgot CSAgICBzYXZlZCA8YXBwbGljYXRpb24+Q1RNPC9hcHBsaWNhdGlvbj4gZGVsdGFzLCBydW4gdGhl IGNvbW1hbmRzOjwvcGFyYT4KLQotCSAgPHNjcmVlbj4mcHJvbXB0LnJvb3Q7IDx1c2VyaW5wdXQ+ Y2QgL3doZXJlL2V2ZXIveW91L3dhbnQvdG8vZXh0cmFjdC9pdC88L3VzZXJpbnB1dD4KLSZwcm9t cHQucm9vdDsgPHVzZXJpbnB1dD5jdG0gLWUgJ15saWIvbGliYy9NYWtlZmlsZScgfmN0bS9zcmMt eHh4Lio8L3VzZXJpbnB1dD48L3NjcmVlbj4KLQotCSAgPHBhcmE+Rm9yIGV2ZXJ5IGZpbGUgc3Bl Y2lmaWVkIGluIGEKLQkgICAgPGFwcGxpY2F0aW9uPkNUTTwvYXBwbGljYXRpb24+IGRlbHRhLCB0 aGUgPG9wdGlvbj4tZTwvb3B0aW9uPgotCSAgICBhbmQgPG9wdGlvbj4teDwvb3B0aW9uPiBvcHRp b25zIGFyZSBhcHBsaWVkIGluIHRoZSBvcmRlciBnaXZlbgotCSAgICBvbiB0aGUgY29tbWFuZCBs aW5lLiAgVGhlIGZpbGUgaXMgcHJvY2Vzc2VkIGJ5Ci0JICAgIDxhcHBsaWNhdGlvbj5DVE08L2Fw cGxpY2F0aW9uPiBvbmx5IGlmIGl0IGlzIG1hcmtlZCBhcwotCSAgICBlbGlnaWJsZSBhZnRlciBh bGwgdGhlIDxvcHRpb24+LWU8L29wdGlvbj4gYW5kCi0JICAgIDxvcHRpb24+LXg8L29wdGlvbj4g b3B0aW9ucyBhcmUgYXBwbGllZCB0byBpdC48L3BhcmE+Ci0JPC9zZWN0Mz4KLSAgICAgIDwvc2Vj dDI+Ci0KLSAgICAgIDxzZWN0Mj4KLQk8dGl0bGU+RnV0dXJlIFBsYW5zIGZvciA8YXBwbGljYXRp b24+Q1RNPC9hcHBsaWNhdGlvbj48L3RpdGxlPgotCi0JPHBhcmE+VG9ucyBvZiB0aGVtOjwvcGFy YT4KLQotCTxpdGVtaXplZGxpc3Q+Ci0JICA8bGlzdGl0ZW0+Ci0JICAgIDxwYXJhPlVzZSBzb21l IGtpbmQgb2YgYXV0aGVudGljYXRpb24gaW50byB0aGUgPGFwcGxpY2F0aW9uPkNUTTwvYXBwbGlj YXRpb24+IHN5c3RlbSwgc28KLQkgICAgICBhcyB0byBhbGxvdyBkZXRlY3Rpb24gb2Ygc3Bvb2Zl ZCA8YXBwbGljYXRpb24+Q1RNPC9hcHBsaWNhdGlvbj4gdXBkYXRlcy48L3BhcmE+Ci0JICA8L2xp c3RpdGVtPgotCi0JICA8bGlzdGl0ZW0+Ci0JICAgIDxwYXJhPkNsZWFuIHVwIHRoZSBvcHRpb25z IHRvIDxhcHBsaWNhdGlvbj5DVE08L2FwcGxpY2F0aW9uPiwKLQkgICAgICB0aGV5IGJlY2FtZSBj b25mdXNpbmcgYW5kIGNvdW50ZXIgaW50dWl0aXZlLjwvcGFyYT4KLQkgIDwvbGlzdGl0ZW0+Ci0J PC9pdGVtaXplZGxpc3Q+Ci0gICAgICA8L3NlY3QyPgotCi0gICAgICA8c2VjdDI+Ci0JPHRpdGxl Pk1pc2NlbGxhbmVvdXMgU3R1ZmY8L3RpdGxlPgotCi0JPHBhcmE+VGhlcmUgaXMgYSBzZXF1ZW5j ZSBvZiBkZWx0YXMgZm9yIHRoZQotCSAgPGxpdGVyYWw+cG9ydHM8L2xpdGVyYWw+IGNvbGxlY3Rp b24gdG9vLCBidXQgaW50ZXJlc3QgaGFzIG5vdAotCSAgYmVlbiBhbGwgdGhhdCBoaWdoIHlldC48 L3BhcmE+Ci0gICAgICA8L3NlY3QyPgotCi0gICAgPHNlY3QyIGlkPSJtaXJyb3JzLWN0bSI+Ci0g ICAgICA8dGl0bGU+Q1RNIE1pcnJvcnM8L3RpdGxlPgotICAgICAgCi0gICAgPHBhcmE+PGxpbmsg bGlua2VuZD0iY3RtIj5DVE08L2xpbms+LyZvczsgaXMgYXZhaWxhYmxlIHZpYSBhbm9ueW1vdXMK LSAgICAgIEZUUCBmcm9tIHRoZSBmb2xsb3dpbmcgbWlycm9yIHNpdGVzLiAgSWYgeW91IGNob29z ZSB0byBvYnRhaW4gPGFwcGxpY2F0aW9uPkNUTTwvYXBwbGljYXRpb24+IHZpYQotICAgICAgYW5v bnltb3VzIEZUUCwgcGxlYXNlIHRyeSB0byB1c2UgYSBzaXRlIG5lYXIgeW91LjwvcGFyYT4KLQot ICAgIDxwYXJhPkluIGNhc2Ugb2YgcHJvYmxlbXMsIHBsZWFzZSBjb250YWN0IHRoZSAmYS5jdG0t dXNlcnMubmFtZTsKLSAgICAgIG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdC48L3BhcmE+Ci0KLSAgICA8dmFyaWFibGVs aXN0PgotICAgICAgPHZhcmxpc3RlbnRyeT4KLQk8dGVybT5DYWxpZm9ybmlhLCBCYXkgQXJlYSwg b2ZmaWNpYWwgc291cmNlPC90ZXJtPgotCi0JPGxpc3RpdGVtPgotCSAgPGl0ZW1pemVkbGlzdD4K LQkgICAgPGxpc3RpdGVtPgotCSAgICAgIDxwYXJhPjx1bGluayB1cmw9ImZ0cDovL2Z0cC5GcmVl QlNELm9yZy9wdWIvRnJlZUJTRC9kZXZlbG9wbWVudC9DVE0vIj48L3VsaW5rPjwvcGFyYT4KLQkg ICAgPC9saXN0aXRlbT4KLQkgIDwvaXRlbWl6ZWRsaXN0PgotCTwvbGlzdGl0ZW0+Ci0gICAgICA8 L3Zhcmxpc3RlbnRyeT4KLQotICAgICAgPHZhcmxpc3RlbnRyeT4KLQk8dGVybT5Tb3V0aCBBZnJp Y2EsIGJhY2t1cCBzZXJ2ZXIgZm9yIG9sZCBkZWx0YXM8L3Rlcm0+Ci0KLQk8bGlzdGl0ZW0+Ci0J ICA8aXRlbWl6ZWRsaXN0PgotCSAgICA8bGlzdGl0ZW0+Ci0JICAgICAgPHBhcmE+PHVsaW5rIHVy bD0iZnRwOi8vZnRwLnphLkZyZWVCU0Qub3JnL3B1Yi9GcmVlQlNEL0NUTS8iPjwvdWxpbms+PC9w YXJhPgotCSAgICA8L2xpc3RpdGVtPgotCSAgPC9pdGVtaXplZGxpc3Q+Ci0JPC9saXN0aXRlbT4K LSAgICAgIDwvdmFybGlzdGVudHJ5PgotCi0gICAgICA8dmFybGlzdGVudHJ5PgotCTx0ZXJtPlRh aXdhbi9SLk8uQy48L3Rlcm0+Ci0KLQk8bGlzdGl0ZW0+Ci0JICA8aXRlbWl6ZWRsaXN0PgotCSAg ICA8bGlzdGl0ZW0+Ci0JICAgICAgPHBhcmE+PHVsaW5rIHVybD0iZnRwOi8vY3RtLnR3LkZyZWVC U0Qub3JnL3B1Yi9GcmVlQlNEL2RldmVsb3BtZW50L0NUTS8iPjwvdWxpbms+PC9wYXJhPgotCSAg ICA8L2xpc3RpdGVtPgotCi0JICAgIDxsaXN0aXRlbT4KLQkgICAgICA8cGFyYT48dWxpbmsgdXJs PSJmdHA6Ly9jdG0yLnR3LkZyZWVCU0Qub3JnL3B1Yi9GcmVlQlNEL2RldmVsb3BtZW50L0NUTS8i PjwvdWxpbms+PC9wYXJhPgotCSAgICA8L2xpc3RpdGVtPgotCi0JICAgIDxsaXN0aXRlbT4KLQkg ICAgICA8cGFyYT48dWxpbmsgdXJsPSJmdHA6Ly9jdG0zLnR3LkZyZWVCU0Qub3JnL3B1Yi9GcmVl QlNEL2RldmVsb3BtZW50L0NUTS8iPjwvdWxpbms+PC9wYXJhPgotCSAgICA8L2xpc3RpdGVtPgot CSAgPC9pdGVtaXplZGxpc3Q+Ci0JPC9saXN0aXRlbT4KLSAgICAgIDwvdmFybGlzdGVudHJ5Pgot ICAgIDwvdmFyaWFibGVsaXN0PgotCi0gICAgPHBhcmE+SWYgeW91IGRpZCBub3QgZmluZCBhIG1p cnJvciBuZWFyIHRvIHlvdSBvciB0aGUgbWlycm9yIGlzCi0gICAgICBpbmNvbXBsZXRlLCB0cnkg dG8gdXNlIGEgc2VhcmNoIGVuZ2luZSBzdWNoIGFzCi0gICAgICA8dWxpbmsgdXJsPSJodHRwOi8v d3d3LmFsbHRoZXdlYi5jb20vIj5hbGx0aGV3ZWI8L3VsaW5rPi48L3BhcmE+Ci0gIDwvc2VjdDI+ PC9zZWN0MT4KIAogICA8c2VjdDEgaWQ9ImN2c3VwIj4KICAgICA8dGl0bGU+VXNpbmcgQ1ZTdXA8 L3RpdGxlPgpJbmRleDogY3V0dGluZy1lZGdlL2NoYXB0ZXIuc2dtbAo9PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09ClJDUyBm aWxlOiAvaG9tZS9uY3ZzL2RvYy9lbl9VUy5JU084ODU5LTEvYm9va3MvaGFuZGJvb2svY3V0dGlu Zy1lZGdlL2NoYXB0ZXIuc2dtbCx2CnJldHJpZXZpbmcgcmV2aXNpb24gMS4yNTIKZGlmZiAtdSAt cjEuMjUyIGNoYXB0ZXIuc2dtbAotLS0gY3V0dGluZy1lZGdlL2NoYXB0ZXIuc2dtbAkyMCBEZWMg MjAxMCAxOTowMzozNyAtMDAwMAkxLjI1MgorKysgY3V0dGluZy1lZGdlL2NoYXB0ZXIuc2dtbAky NSBGZWIgMjAxMSAyMjozMzowMSAtMDAwMApAQCAtNjksOCArNjksNyBAQAogCTxwYXJhPkhvdyB0 byBrZWVwIHlvdXIgc3lzdGVtIHVwIHRvIGRhdGUgd2l0aAogCSAgPGFwcGxpY2F0aW9uPmZyZWVi c2QtdXBkYXRlPC9hcHBsaWNhdGlvbj4sCiAJICA8YXBwbGljYXRpb24+Q1ZTdXA8L2FwcGxpY2F0 aW9uPiwKLQkgIDxhcHBsaWNhdGlvbj5DVlM8L2FwcGxpY2F0aW9uPiwgb3IKLQkgIDxhcHBsaWNh dGlvbj5DVE08L2FwcGxpY2F0aW9uPi48L3BhcmE+CisJICA8YXBwbGljYXRpb24+Q1ZTPC9hcHBs aWNhdGlvbj4uPC9wYXJhPgogICAgICAgPC9saXN0aXRlbT4KIAogICAgICAgPGxpc3RpdGVtPgpA QCAtMTQ2MiwyMyArMTQ2MSw2IEBACiAJCTwvbm90ZT4KIAkgICAgICA8L2xpc3RpdGVtPgogCi0J ICAgICAgPGluZGV4dGVybT4KLQkJPHByaW1hcnk+LUNVUlJFTlQ8L3ByaW1hcnk+Ci0JCTxzZWNv bmRhcnk+U3luY2luZyB3aXRoIENUTTwvc2Vjb25kYXJ5PgotCSAgICAgIDwvaW5kZXh0ZXJtPgot CSAgICAgIDxsaXN0aXRlbT4KLQkJPHBhcmE+VXNlIHRoZSA8YXBwbGljYXRpb24+PGxpbmsKLQkJ ICAgIGxpbmtlbmQ9ImN0bSI+Q1RNPC9saW5rPjwvYXBwbGljYXRpb24+IGZhY2lsaXR5LiAgSWYg eW91Ci0JCSAgaGF2ZSB2ZXJ5IGJhZCBjb25uZWN0aXZpdHkgKGhpZ2ggcHJpY2UgY29ubmVjdGlv bnMgb3IKLQkJICBvbmx5IGVtYWlsIGFjY2VzcykgPGFwcGxpY2F0aW9uPkNUTTwvYXBwbGljYXRp b24+IGlzIGFuCi0JCSAgb3B0aW9uLiAgSG93ZXZlciwgaXQgaXMgYSBsb3Qgb2YgaGFzc2xlIGFu ZCBjYW4gZ2l2ZSB5b3UKLQkJICBicm9rZW4gZmlsZXMuICBUaGlzIGxlYWRzIHRvIGl0IGJlaW5n IHJhcmVseSB1c2VkLCB3aGljaAotCQkgIGFnYWluIGluY3JlYXNlcyB0aGUgY2hhbmNlIG9mIGl0 IG5vdCB3b3JraW5nIGZvciBmYWlybHkKLQkJICBsb25nIHBlcmlvZHMgb2YgdGltZS4gIFdlIHJl Y29tbWVuZCB1c2luZwotCQkgIDxhcHBsaWNhdGlvbj48bGluayBsaW5rZW5kPSJjdnN1cCI+Q1ZT dXA8L2xpbms+PC9hcHBsaWNhdGlvbj4KLQkJICBmb3IgYW55Ym9keSB3aXRoIGEgOTYwMCZuYnNw O2JwcyBtb2RlbSBvciBmYXN0ZXIKLQkJICBjb25uZWN0aW9uLjwvcGFyYT4KLQkgICAgICA8L2xp c3RpdGVtPgogCSAgICA8L29yZGVyZWRsaXN0PgogCSAgPC9saXN0aXRlbT4KIApAQCAtMTY0OSwy NyArMTYzMSw5IEBACiAJCSAgZW52aXJvbm1lbnQuPC9wYXJhPgogCSAgICAgIDwvbGlzdGl0ZW0+ CiAKLQkgICAgICA8aW5kZXh0ZXJtPgotCQk8cHJpbWFyeT4tU1RBQkxFPC9wcmltYXJ5PgotCQk8 c2Vjb25kYXJ5PnN5bmNpbmcgd2l0aCBDVE08L3NlY29uZGFyeT4KLQkgICAgICA8L2luZGV4dGVy bT4KLQkgICAgICA8bGlzdGl0ZW0+Ci0JCTxwYXJhPlVzZSB0aGUgPGFwcGxpY2F0aW9uPjxsaW5r Ci0JCSAgICBsaW5rZW5kPSJjdG0iPkNUTTwvbGluaz48L2FwcGxpY2F0aW9uPiBmYWNpbGl0eS4g IElmCi0JCSAgeW91IGRvIG5vdCBoYXZlIGEgZmFzdCBhbmQgaW5leHBlbnNpdmUgY29ubmVjdGlv biB0bwotCQkgIHRoZSBJbnRlcm5ldCwgdGhpcyBpcyB0aGUgbWV0aG9kIHlvdSBzaG91bGQgY29u c2lkZXIKLQkJICB1c2luZy48L3BhcmE+Ci0JICAgICAgPC9saXN0aXRlbT4KIAkgICAgPC9vcmRl cmVkbGlzdD4KIAkgIDwvbGlzdGl0ZW0+CiAKLQkgIDxsaXN0aXRlbT4KLQkgICAgPHBhcmE+RXNz ZW50aWFsbHksIGlmIHlvdSBuZWVkIHJhcGlkIG9uLWRlbWFuZCBhY2Nlc3MgdG8gdGhlCi0JICAg ICAgc291cmNlIGFuZCBjb21tdW5pY2F0aW9ucyBiYW5kd2lkdGggaXMgbm90IGEgY29uc2lkZXJh dGlvbiwKLQkgICAgICB1c2UgPGNvbW1hbmQ+Y3ZzdXA8L2NvbW1hbmQ+IG9yIDxjb21tYW5kPmZ0 cDwvY29tbWFuZD4uCi0JICAgICAgT3RoZXJ3aXNlLCB1c2UgPGFwcGxpY2F0aW9uPkNUTTwvYXBw bGljYXRpb24+LjwvcGFyYT4KLQkgIDwvbGlzdGl0ZW0+Ci0KIAkgIDxpbmRleHRlcm0+CiAJICAg IDxwcmltYXJ5Pi1TVEFCTEU8L3ByaW1hcnk+CiAJICAgIDxzZWNvbmRhcnk+Y29tcGlsaW5nPC9z ZWNvbmRhcnk+CkBAIC0xNjkzLDEzICsxNjU3LDYgQEAKICAgPHNlY3QxIGlkPSJzeW5jaGluZyI+ CiAgICAgPHRpdGxlPlN5bmNocm9uaXppbmcgWW91ciBTb3VyY2U8L3RpdGxlPgogCi0gICAgPHBh cmE+VGhlcmUgYXJlIHZhcmlvdXMgd2F5cyBvZiB1c2luZyBhbiBJbnRlcm5ldCAob3IgZW1haWwp Ci0gICAgICBjb25uZWN0aW9uIHRvIHN0YXkgdXAtdG8tZGF0ZSB3aXRoIGFueSBnaXZlbiBhcmVh IG9mIHRoZSAmb3M7Ci0gICAgICBwcm9qZWN0IHNvdXJjZXMsIG9yIGFsbCBhcmVhcywgZGVwZW5k aW5nIG9uIHdoYXQgaW50ZXJlc3RzIHlvdS4gIFRoZQotICAgICAgcHJpbWFyeSBzZXJ2aWNlcyB3 ZSBvZmZlciBhcmUgPGxpbmsgbGlua2VuZD0iYW5vbmN2cyI+QW5vbnltb3VzCi0gICAgICBDVlM8 L2xpbms+LCA8bGluayBsaW5rZW5kPSJjdnN1cCI+Q1ZTdXA8L2xpbms+LCBhbmQgPGxpbmsKLQls aW5rZW5kPSJjdG0iPkNUTTwvbGluaz4uPC9wYXJhPgotCiAgICAgPHdhcm5pbmc+CiAgICAgICA8 cGFyYT5XaGlsZSBpdCBpcyBwb3NzaWJsZSB0byB1cGRhdGUgb25seSBwYXJ0cyBvZiB5b3VyIHNv dXJjZSB0cmVlLAogCXRoZSBvbmx5IHN1cHBvcnRlZCB1cGRhdGUgcHJvY2VkdXJlIGlzIHRvIHVw ZGF0ZSB0aGUgZW50aXJlIHRyZWUKQEAgLTE3MzUsMzQgKzE2OTIsNiBAQAogICAgICAgPGFwcGxp Y2F0aW9uPkNWU3VwPC9hcHBsaWNhdGlvbj4gY2FuIGRvIHRoaXMgZmFyIG1vcmUgZWZmaWNpZW50 bHksCiAgICAgICBidXQgPGFwcGxpY2F0aW9uPkFub255bW91cyBDVlM8L2FwcGxpY2F0aW9uPiBp cyBlYXNpZXIgdG8gdXNlLjwvcGFyYT4KIAotICAgIDxpbmRleHRlcm0+Ci0gICAgICA8cHJpbWFy eT48YXBwbGljYXRpb24+Q1RNPC9hcHBsaWNhdGlvbj48L3ByaW1hcnk+Ci0gICAgPC9pbmRleHRl cm0+Ci0gICAgPHBhcmE+PGFwcGxpY2F0aW9uPkNUTTwvYXBwbGljYXRpb24+LCBvbiB0aGUgb3Ro ZXIgaGFuZCwgZG9lcyBub3QKLSAgICAgIGludGVyYWN0aXZlbHkgY29tcGFyZSB0aGUgc291cmNl cyB5b3UgaGF2ZSB3aXRoIHRob3NlIG9uIHRoZSBtYXN0ZXIKLSAgICAgIGFyY2hpdmUgb3Igb3Ro ZXJ3aXNlIHB1bGwgdGhlbSBhY3Jvc3MuICBJbnN0ZWFkLCBhIHNjcmlwdCB3aGljaAotICAgICAg aWRlbnRpZmllcyBjaGFuZ2VzIGluIGZpbGVzIHNpbmNlIGl0cyBwcmV2aW91cyBydW4gaXMgZXhl Y3V0ZWQKLSAgICAgIHNldmVyYWwgdGltZXMgYSBkYXkgb24gdGhlIG1hc3RlciBDVE0gbWFjaGlu ZSwgYW55IGRldGVjdGVkIGNoYW5nZXMKLSAgICAgIGJlaW5nIGNvbXByZXNzZWQsIHN0YW1wZWQg d2l0aCBhIHNlcXVlbmNlLW51bWJlciBhbmQgZW5jb2RlZCBmb3IKLSAgICAgIHRyYW5zbWlzc2lv biBvdmVyIGVtYWlsIChpbiBwcmludGFibGUgQVNDSUkgb25seSkuICBPbmNlIHJlY2VpdmVkLAot ICAgICAgdGhlc2UgPHF1b3RlPkNUTSBkZWx0YXM8L3F1b3RlPiBjYW4gdGhlbiBiZSBoYW5kZWQg dG8gdGhlCi0gICAgICAmbWFuLmN0bS5ybWFpbC4xOyB1dGlsaXR5IHdoaWNoIHdpbGwgYXV0b21h dGljYWxseSBkZWNvZGUsIHZlcmlmeQotICAgICAgYW5kIGFwcGx5IHRoZSBjaGFuZ2VzIHRvIHRo ZSB1c2VyJ3MgY29weSBvZiB0aGUgc291cmNlcy4gIFRoaXMKLSAgICAgIHByb2Nlc3MgaXMgZmFy IG1vcmUgZWZmaWNpZW50IHRoYW4gPGFwcGxpY2F0aW9uPkNWU3VwPC9hcHBsaWNhdGlvbj4sCi0g ICAgICBhbmQgcGxhY2VzIGxlc3Mgc3RyYWluIG9uIG91ciBzZXJ2ZXIgcmVzb3VyY2VzIHNpbmNl IGl0IGlzIGEKLSAgICAgIDxlbXBoYXNpcz5wdXNoPC9lbXBoYXNpcz4gcmF0aGVyIHRoYW4gYSA8 ZW1waGFzaXM+cHVsbDwvZW1waGFzaXM+Ci0gICAgICBtb2RlbC48L3BhcmE+Ci0KLSAgICA8cGFy YT5UaGVyZSBhcmUgb3RoZXIgdHJhZGUtb2Zmcywgb2YgY291cnNlLiAgSWYgeW91IGluYWR2ZXJ0 ZW50bHkKLSAgICAgIHdpcGUgb3V0IHBvcnRpb25zIG9mIHlvdXIgYXJjaGl2ZSwgPGFwcGxpY2F0 aW9uPkNWU3VwPC9hcHBsaWNhdGlvbj4KLSAgICAgIHdpbGwgZGV0ZWN0IGFuZCByZWJ1aWxkIHRo ZSBkYW1hZ2VkIHBvcnRpb25zIGZvciB5b3UuCi0gICAgICA8YXBwbGljYXRpb24+Q1RNPC9hcHBs aWNhdGlvbj4gd2lsbCBub3QgZG8gdGhpcywgYW5kIGlmIHlvdSB3aXBlIHNvbWUKLSAgICAgIHBv cnRpb24gb2YgeW91ciBzb3VyY2UgdHJlZSBvdXQgKGFuZCBkbyBub3QgaGF2ZSBpdCBiYWNrZWQg dXApIHRoZW4KLSAgICAgIHlvdSB3aWxsIGhhdmUgdG8gc3RhcnQgZnJvbSBzY3JhdGNoIChmcm9t IHRoZSBtb3N0IHJlY2VudCBDVlMKLSAgICAgIDxxdW90ZT5iYXNlIGRlbHRhPC9xdW90ZT4pIGFu ZCByZWJ1aWxkIGl0IGFsbCB3aXRoCi0gICAgICA8YXBwbGljYXRpb24+Q1RNPC9hcHBsaWNhdGlv bj4gb3IsIHdpdGgKLSAgICAgIDxhcHBsaWNhdGlvbj5Bbm9ueW1vdXMgQ1ZTPC9hcHBsaWNhdGlv bj4sIHNpbXBseSBkZWxldGUgdGhlIGJhZCBiaXRzCi0gICAgICBhbmQgcmVzeW5jLjwvcGFyYT4K ICAgPC9zZWN0MT4KIAogICA8c2VjdDEgaWQ9Im1ha2V3b3JsZCI+Cg== --001636d344373b32b3049d22f792-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 22:41:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19FB31065670 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:41:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailing@alokat.org) Received: from smtp.alokat.org (smtp.alokat.org [46.4.186.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C0A8FC19 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:41:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.alokat.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.alokat.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F35DA11250068 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 23:41:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.24.23] (188-192-38-254-dynip.superkabel.de [188.192.38.254]) by smtp.alokat.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D356B11250066 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 23:41:13 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D683001.8020102@alokat.org> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 23:41:05 +0100 From: Alokat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110221 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D682300.4090007@alokat.org> In-Reply-To: <4D682300.4090007@alokat.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: Re: display resolution on my thinkpad t61 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:41:20 -0000 On 02/25/11 22:45, Alokat wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to modify my screen resolutions (use an external and the > internal monitor). > > xrandr -q says: > > Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1440 x 960, maximum 2720 x 1024 > VGA connected 1440x900+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) > 408mm x 255mm > 1440x900 59.9*+ 75.0 > 1280x1024 75.0 60.0 > 1280x960 60.0 > 1152x864 75.0 > 1024x768 75.0 70.1 66.0 60.0 > 832x624 74.6 > 800x600 72.2 75.0 60.3 56.2 > 640x480 75.0 72.8 66.7 66.0 59.9 > 720x400 70.1 > LVDS connected 1280x960+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) > 331mm x 207mm > 1280x1024 85.0 75.0 60.0 > 1280x960 85.0* 60.0 > 1152x864 75.0 > 1024x768 85.0 75.0 70.1 60.0 > 832x624 74.6 > 800x600 85.1 72.2 75.0 60.3 56.2 > 640x480 85.0 72.8 75.0 59.9 > 720x400 85.0 > 640x400 85.1 > 640x350 85.1 > TMDS-1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) > > 1440x900 is enough for the external but the internal can / should use > 1680x1050. > How can I add this to xrandr? > > Regards, > alokat > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I got it ... Just started without the external monitor and after that use this command: xrandr --output LVDS --primary --output VGA --auto --left-of LVDS Now the internal monitor is the primary .. contains the Fluxbox menu and the external is the secondary. Just for showing some stuff ... Regards, alokat From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 23:09:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F9A106564A for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 23:09:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from modulok@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A14518FC12 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 23:09:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyh4 with SMTP id 4so1036053gyh.13 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:09:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=BQglP1iGNcH6XibGq1mKIHh6WYlziOBTY9W4xCI/R/o=; b=NXbBK1YcWQMSVTcm8JEQhQINF3fik1eP0mu1UV0UR3rk574Tjtr0cXhLrk6t7Grknu l7TbuhvuuvsTiUcZzT1JOBQSS9Tn8rzOUrX/KUQ/CRYqBRRDL88fFDwExyU+R1JS5aVM jrCu3iWwRsaDIrHKXoctOp7TqGLJpPEtrkhAk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=XLPTBsCKxLmVn0J4k9G7hsLwmFSSxJOXt3CyYrErlUehjf3KVZQ6aYPpWI605AfVIa 2Fgqenfje1VE8KISQiGMR4o8y/cMw8VlOBbQRB8U9V20TjzTkGtvinGhbIFZuDf+MyFt /1ql7jgXDnrLdtNXMDUoR4HdZMHSJKZ/hPXx0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.51.20 with SMTP id y20mr4441166agy.115.1298675367737; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:09:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.21.28 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:09:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <0847F66E-F541-4604-8238-A869CCDEE163@elde.net> References: <0847F66E-F541-4604-8238-A869CCDEE163@elde.net> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 16:09:27 -0700 Message-ID: From: Modulok To: Terje Elde Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GELI reliability X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 23:09:29 -0000 >> I've used ZFS over GELI in the past, but never had any hardware issues to see how it plays out. I have no idea on that kind of a setup. If I were you I'd make a test system, start an scp command to copy some file from another machine, then start unplugging hard drives. When done, run a diff on the copied file and the original (or at least a checksum) to see if it worked out. I'd do it for you and report back, but at the moment I don't have the hardware to spare. Let us know how it goes ;-) -Modulok- On 2/25/11, Terje Elde wrote: > Hi, > > I'm curious about GELIs theoretical behavior when faced with errors, and > also any experience anyone might have. > > As an example, if I run ZFS with raidz over X drives, then the zpool should > have no issue surviving the complete loss of a full disk. Also, the > familiar "FAILURE - READ_DMA" or READ_DMA48 errors from a disk having a bad > day should also be no issue, certainly not an issue that would result in > crash, or worse still, loss of data. > > What I'm wondering is how much worse off the data would be if I were to > slide inn a GELI layer between the physical drives, and the zpool. > > That is, if I use GELI directly on the individual drives ( /dev/ada0, > /dev/ada1 etc), then make a raidz pool on top of the .eli devices ( > /dev/ada0.eli, /dev/ada1.eli etc). > > For READ_DMA type errors, I suppose GELI could just forward the same errors > up the stack, and that'd be that, the errors wouldn't be any more severe > than what I'd have anyway? > > One exception could be if GELI sector size is larger than disk sector size. > Not being too familiar with GELIs internal workings, I'm not sure that has > to be the case though. GELI sectors have a new IV pr. sector, but the > crypto itself is still done in 128 or 256 bit blocks, so given a single > faulty disk sector, the rest of the GELI sector could still be read and > decrypted? Or are entire GELI sectors faulted if a (smaller) underlaying > sector is unreadable? > > And finally, what if an entire drive dies a cruel and horribly death, all of > it's data returning to the large bit bucket in the sky? Would GELI simply > relay the same errors upstack to ZFS, so ZFS would be able to handle it as > well as it would have without GELI? > > > I've used ZFS over GELI in the past, but never had any hardware issues to > see how it plays out. > > I'm considering deploying it for more stuff now, and reliability wise, from > what I know, I could loose very little by using GELI, or it could be time to > buy napkins, because the risk of a grown man crying while trying to mop up > spilled bits from the floor is increased significantly. > > (backups should avoid the need for tears though, besides, I don't have a > mop) > > Terje > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 23:23:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60252106566B for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 23:23:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from materribile@yahoo.com) Received: from nm15.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm15.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.85]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B2658FC14 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 23:23:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.91.68] by nm15.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2011 23:11:14 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.54] by tm8.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2011 23:11:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1054.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2011 23:11:14 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 450232.2950.bm@omp1054.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 51130 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Feb 2011 23:11:14 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1298675474; bh=IvG9tKZASuGF6SlM6C9Ir8An9vfmbpbx2s/BmjlSG4E=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CWYTHG/tkU4T2DLYuS2cBMyUekI4NHP74KOngbin8uWOvUrX9cIDonocmlCafEpUzGTwQ+DfQ88Nus+zFZawNll1NLPe4kCUFJ8nxpoJlHVIhijYPxEVNHnJ7VMEiLMoEL+ynrkzqwi9RUxmgzKrc5gN3m+BslWqaOPKmw08vdc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TDPQaoOinZhUvWJegumdvTaLLXF+d8/qUFKbi/eVM1YnUJqFdeGc4FJd8j4fJ3jSZXtTcjfTpkisVwv8GYW+MLAYFdleh1BnDaK8losjoaF5g6lR25M2Whe0M2V9dP1J41jnttHK8jI/tKwpKGsMV2Q77x9aHjdnMo+eARLr1S0=; Message-ID: <41786.47452.qm@web110309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 8.4FA84VM1moZYYRqKLjIYxLblROqmmjNCl__Q29GCk1rsv M1EpsPq0YlGvUSrfFsLaPAo3UduTg..hpT6kfUxDvnB6VRWUXIScoNsyrFT_ ZSds3OxxtXV_9Oz1TDrRI7Ad.m26cE6Tx.TlTfpWI.UMJRqG86UsXS2biZrl ikyDQpbsOFrk32mfgBziXnkZaGw9OHyiRM4PthdnzkyBpLNdVvnQPfsUFdv5 yYLlVmrmQc_ua7tUQiAWmjZFQSL71JigZQSTt4Lwmfy1BDhV3wWJ2cIyIee9 Dum_TmukPoiZtW.X7d1BAwgTFjEuCH3EuTZ.BwlWxrB2BXHkhlqzFEKvfhxp UlOv4BZnJy_ysajm2ENiHIADE4iKDE9jucyS1byW10DkF7TI7YDG_xuydTJL 8OT5yENmO0mH4 Received: from [24.228.57.153] by web110309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:11:13 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.109.292656 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:11:13 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Terribile To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20110225212941.BC56910656C4@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Kernel swap zone exhausted, what is the max allowed? FBSD 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 23:23:36 -0000 Hi, I was recently forced to reboot a 7.2 machine after it had run for several months. (Upgrade is not a possibility right now.) The (apparently) relevant part of /var/log/messages reads ------------------ Feb 23 13:10:58 gold kernel: pid 9864 (to), uid 1001: exited on signal 6 (core dumped) Feb 23 17:14:13 gold kernel: pid 10386 (epiphany), uid 0: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) Feb 23 17:18:19 gold kernel: pid 10414 (epiphany), uid 0: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) Feb 24 14:56:05 gold kernel: swap zone exhausted, increase kern.maxswzone Feb 24 14:56:36 gold last message repeated 1933 times Feb 24 14:56:57 gold last message repeated 1635 times Feb 24 14:56:57 gold kernel: swap zone exhausted, nncrxase kern.ma swzone Feb 24 14:56:57 gold kernel: swap zone exhausted, increase kern.maxswzone Feb 24 14:57:28 gold last message repeated 1017 times Feb 24 14:59:29 gold last message repeated 2159 times Feb 24 15:14:03 gold syslogd: kernel boot file is /boot/kernel/kernel ------------------- I don't explicitly set kern.maxswzone anywhere and it is at its apparent maximum and default of 32M (33554432). Does anyone know if the maximum can be increased? (What actually is it used for?) I do use lots of memory-intensive processes, most of them idle much of the time. I see that it's involved with the stuff in the src/sys/vm directory. Would someone give me a quick precis or pointer to what I need to study to understand what would happen if I tried to boost this to 64M? Mark Terribile From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 23:31:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DAC01065672 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 23:31:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF7228FC08 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 23:31:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywf9 with SMTP id 9so743037ywf.13 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:31:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=/FwUoushtcFG1/6qDvUCFkdWKZ/2gQqe04ri2Aqo9wo=; b=fcwy5soN74PWvyminUOAAqg4bDXzFWL8NCO2SBK67/2fslHi8kwKnryiPEmZyYntr1 GA2blJ9P5C11FUkz7hDct0ADpGP2YVx91zOhBmlOzlW3bTeYkZOrFKW0bZaR3tkFgQa/ 7sxVJsaLJv6wxUO6qJ+tQh5ewtVVTRl0s0UGw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; b=v6Cuq+C3RggT3X98d1Km+y/EpKIGBgbjAk+lFWPCVa6ILwFJn/p2qI7Y/QTsyNtSep uaeImoALAixDvamHlBzi0isSOIwHeKkfkq32h39P/6Uj3Vkgp0zeBhmfPfXyFz9Orvjq jnHjF+VSg4stuH/8aHt59E/FBxoLiw6LoN5Vw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.111.15 with SMTP id v15mr5359686yhg.37.1298676694197; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:31:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.110.52 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:31:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 23:31:34 +0000 Message-ID: From: "b. f." To: Eitan Adler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Is CTM still being offered for updating FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bf1783@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 23:31:35 -0000 >So I have a few questions: >1) Is it still being offered and supported as a method of updating >FreeBSD systems? As of today, yes -- I have recent deltas in my mailbox. But you could easily check by subscribing, and looking at: http://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/CTM where the deltas are still being added every few hours. > >2) If not can the section in the handbook be removed? I have attached >a patch which removes references to CTM from the handbook. Should it >be applied? > >3) Probably the most controversial question - but I'll ask it >nonetheless. If CTM is no longer an option for updating FreeBSD is >there any reason to leave it in base? Is it still being used by a >sufficient number of people to maintain it? I can't answer for the maintainer, and I don't have usage statistics, which you could probably obtain from the mailing list and WWW admins. But the fact that it works, without requiring a lot of resources or the need for extensive maintenance, and has the benefits that are clearly described in the Handbook, suggest that you should leave it alone. Why is this question even arising? Surely there are other problems that need to be addressed much more than the ending of a useful, uncontroversial service by someone who is not familiar with it? b. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 23:43:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D9C1065674 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 23:43:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF9188FC12 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 23:43:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so1729788iwn.13 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:43:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zeYHZjvbLHM9zfEqb1TSIdzl1JCGUiGDeRWZtRE/ZFY=; b=QqzVZAQf3HzP6hUDc2Iv/abKD2YddNXatMixr6qa7WnkK+bc+vYGTwQVpZc0C5GC89 4ql3fEomlRNl64NSmcyhBqbeSHskEZ5mrCSUmLoIQAofw5bdwMn7abYT6+LuMJ14CgZr H4fwL7PL+r6Bc/jBHc5VBgY21su9Kx6vN498U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=SJrX4Vg9ZaNU59uLnnt519TAPSxngsay8yP29xYt4/N0Fu7CL0KeuqOEa1nh53xUbX qq9Pa1JR/+JLAs15ivhuF0VKi2j5ytpNSGPdRlo5qfNHCwLtfMIu+2Pk1h3RADgarxqY orzVVf4y87aRYgJCwiddbWxoE9T+hRkkn3oBs= Received: by 10.42.60.1 with SMTP id o1mr308844ich.455.1298677389119; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:43:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.32.68 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:42:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Eitan Adler Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 18:42:49 -0500 Message-ID: To: bf1783@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "b. f." , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is CTM still being offered for updating FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 23:43:10 -0000 =C2=A0Why is this question even arising? Surely there are other > problems that need to be addressed much more than the ending of a > useful, uncontroversial service by someone who is not familiar with > it? I am familiar with it. I just happened to notice that the mailing lists were empty and therefore I thought the service is not being used. In case you did not notice the subject was in question form and points #2 and #3 both had an "if not " clause. Your initial response answered my question: that CTM is still being offered. and therefore the rest of the email is moot. Thanks Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 26 00:17:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2603106564A for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 00:17:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: from webmail.dweimer.net (adsl-70-129-195-213.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net [70.129.195.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FF8F8FC1A for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 00:17:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.dweimer.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail.dweimer.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1Q0Hskp020697 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 18:17:55 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 19:17:54 -0500 From: "Dean E. Weimer" To: Mail-Reply-To: In-Reply-To: <4D681A8B.2060302@FreeBSD.org> References: <4D67FFD1.6090905@FreeBSD.org> <4D681A8B.2060302@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: X-Sender: dweimer@dweimer.net User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.5 Subject: Re: Help: Looking to contact someone running FreeBSD on ESX X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 00:17:56 -0000 On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 16:09:31 -0500, Greg Larkin wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 2/25/11 3:00 PM, Mark Felder wrote: >> On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:15:29 -0600, Greg Larkin >> wrote: >> >>> I haven't used watchdogd(8) (http://bit.ly/eKHUEN [1]) before, but >>> I >>> wonder >>> if it would help you by firing some data logging command (-e >>> option) >>> so >>> you have some information to go on. >> >> That actually looks like a great solution, but I currently cannot >> recompile the kernel to enable SW_WATCHDOG and take those servers >> down. >> We have identical hardware in a test environment that I can do that >> on >> and hopefully see if we can get a clone of the problematic VMs to >> fail >> there with the watchdogd enabled. >> >> Thanks, >> Mark > > Hi Mark, > > That sounds good, and please post any further information so someone > else can help you troubleshoot further. > > Here are some other questions for you to ponder: > > - - What appears in the Apache access & error logs just before a > freeze > occurs? > > - - Are you using any unusual Apache config file settings or modules? > How > about for PHP? > > - - Are all of your installed ports up to date? > > - - Have you done any Apache or PHP performance tuning using > http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/misc/perf-tuning.html [3] or > http://phplens.com/lens/php-book/optimizing-debugging-php.php [4] as > starting points? > > - - Have you enabled a PHP log file to record errors, warnings, etc. > generated by your application code? > > Hope that helps, > Greg > - -- > Greg Larkin > > http://www.FreeBSD.org/ [5] - The Power To Serve > http://www.sourcehosting.net/ [6] - Ready. Set. Code. > http://twitter.com/sourcehosting/ [7] - Follow me, follow you > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ [8] > > iEYEARECAAYFAk1oGosACgkQ0sRouByUApAQOgCfW47AXRKSCuj2ftZJSQubVEPw > w54Ani/7k+SNvR4JllG5wJXQSmBE90Be > =1PvS > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [9] mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions [10] > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org [11]" I manage 8 FreeBSD virtual servers at work running 7.0, 7.1, and 7.2 in VMware ESX 4.0, they are running Apache2 with PHP, Bind, and Squid, any of the services they are running is all installed from source and kept up to date, as we are required to pass quarterly PCI scans. So it doesn't speak much of programs installed from ports, but these systems stay very stable, the only issue I have is that after about 8 to 9 months of system uptime (services are restarted more frequently for updates) sometimes the network will stop responding until the virtual machine is shutdown and powered back on. (I can't say that any of the windows servers on the cluster ever reach that length of uptime to compare with this) We have 6 physical servers running with full automated vmotion there is about 80 windows servers runnign on the same systems. Backed with an ISCSI SAN and 10G Ethernet adapters. However our internet applications that utilize the FreeBSD servers are relatively low usage, squid is mainly used as outbound proxy for around 600 Computer users which is the highest used resource on these servers, primarily between 5am and 7pm, so usage levels may not be near where you are running at. I am running vmware tools installed from a VMware workstation 6.5 tools image, I have switched a couple of the systems over to the vmxnet drivers instead of running then as e1000 adapters, but haven't been running them long enough to see if that resolves are problem. When it does occur the system is completely responsive when connecting to the console though, and can be cleanly shutdown. I haven't noticed any issues with VMwawre performance monitoring reporting the systems CPU as hammered when the CPU on FreeBSD shows low, but these systems are much more heavily memory used followed by disk I/O CPU sits idle at most times. I should also mention that they are setup with 2 vCPUs, perhaps if you are running a signal vCPU something is hanging one vCPU and mine setup is recovering OK because the applications complete using the other until the issue resolves itself. I haven't spent much time looking at historical usage graphs on these since I don't get any complaints about performance. --- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer dweimer@dweimer.net http://www.dweimer.net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 26 01:11:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E972A1065673 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 01:11:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@vereshagin.org) Received: from mx1.skyriver.ru (ns1.skyriver.ru [89.108.118.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B188FC08 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 01:11:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (tor-exit-router40-readme.formlessnetworking.net [199.48.147.40]) by mx1.skyriver.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 76C8F5AAF; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 03:54:02 +0300 (MSK) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 04:11:07 +0300 From: Peter Vereshagin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110226011107.GA5308@external.screwed.box> References: <12e5c131918.-880143209072273718.-7160495597488262712@zoho.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <12e5c131918.-880143209072273718.-7160495597488262712@zoho.com> Organization: ' X-Face: 8T>{1owI$Byj]]a; ^G]kRf*dkq>E-3':F>4ODP[#X4s"dr?^b&2G@'3lukno]A1wvJ_L(~u 6>I2ra/<,j1%@C[LN=>p#_}RIV+#:KTszp-X$bQOj,K Cc: erikmccaskey64 Subject: Re: How can I disable Internet access for programs running in Wine? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 01:11:34 -0000 Nothing to do oh, freebsd-questions stay in bat! 2011/02/25 01:07:58 -0800 erikmccaskey64 => To freebsd : e> I just can find any solution... I was sure that ipfw can select packets by process name? at least there are pf and ipf options out there... You can always use jail(4) in conjunction with the separate IP address, like tap(4) or lo(4) whic can be aliased. Then you can provide any kind of internet access for your wine-drunk jail environment ;-) Oh, and... you can use the / as a root for your jail. You need to restrict the access of the application(s) to your internet interface(s) only, right? 73! Peter pgp: A0E26627 (4A42 6841 2871 5EA7 52AB 12F8 0CE1 4AAC A0E2 6627) -- http://vereshagin.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 26 04:12:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A353106564A for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 04:12:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFBA48FC08 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 04:12:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm19 with SMTP id 19so2642281fxm.13 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 20:12:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=0QRwBoyCE42I0jb51CPrGdEA4a3W02rgZnDZsUBvVLs=; b=NtnWfH/o3tWiHQBuO/2eV54dRYKMBh+LqCPOwniTXfi57e2RGvTJ4wZfVkfsRfoIYD 4idLZS41htd2gEZJizA2916TW70EjNhLNykwf4IvT1wY9QDuEVtkRqq4KJkZoARRVeXJ m2mfFaX7qHBFr7kyXD9DDp3DytGycl38LhkOU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=i1hZpriR39+c2/ZG4WUll4H1ztFVn6DzyRPQtbaaaJxRRpxzhj8DjJ1hoFdkbQGjFM yT8hAMGZnFEvMtJJem8yAUxbn1O9AOG8AbnAQV7Zfp8OzGESKHt9B684EIr706XtIziw q5WvSd4B1zNJOLGaIjh878ryZdm9vn/7uFXMs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.54.132 with SMTP id q4mr999933fag.117.1298693547869; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 20:12:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.94.67 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 20:12:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <41786.47452.qm@web110309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <20110225212941.BC56910656C4@hub.freebsd.org> <41786.47452.qm@web110309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:12:27 -0600 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Mark Terribile Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Kernel swap zone exhausted, what is the max allowed? FBSD 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 04:12:29 -0000 On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Mark Terribile wrote: > I don't explicitly set kern.maxswzone anywhere and it is at its apparent > maximum and default of 32M (33554432). > > Does anyone know if the maximum can be increased? (What actually is it > used for?) I do use lots of memory-intensive processes, most of them idle > much of the time. I see that it's involved with the stuff in the src/sys/vm > directory. Would someone give me a quick precis or pointer to what I need > to study to understand what would happen if I tried to boost this to 64M? > Well vbox% sysctl -ad kern.maxswzone kern.maxswzone: Maximum memory for swap metadata man 8 loader gives: kern.maxswzone Limits the amount of KVM to be used to hold swap meta information, which directly governs the maximum amount of swap the system can support. This value is specified in bytes of KVA space and defaults to 32MBytes on i386 and amd64. Care should be taken to not reduce this value such that the actual amount of configured swap exceeds 1/2 the kernel-supported swap. The default of 32MB allows the ker- nel to support a maximum of ~7GB of swap. Only change this parameter if you need to greatly extend the KVM reservation for other resources such as the buffer cache or kern.ipc.nmbclusters. Modifies kernel option VM_SWZONE_SIZE_MAX. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 26 05:27:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3645F106566C for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 05:27:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA5E8FC0A for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 05:27:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-114-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.114.16]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3B981DB23; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 06:27:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p1Q5RmxP001491; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 06:27:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 06:27:48 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <20110226062748.9f891b6a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <201102251832.p1PIWmTW004839@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <20110225073814.57dcdd68@scorpio> <201102251832.p1PIWmTW004839@mail.r-bonomi.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HAL's demise X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 05:27:52 -0000 On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:32:48 -0600 (CST), Robert Bonomi wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 07:38:14 -0500 > > From: Jerry > > Subject: Re: HAL's demise > > > > GNOME switched over a year ago, KDE and XFCE finished the transition a > > couple of months back. Other distros are apparently not even distributing > > it. What is preventing FBSD from joining the party? > > > HAL's demise is indefinitely delayed. > > Dave Bowman is otherwise occupied. > And Frank Poole is out of ciruculation. > > > *GRIN* On the other hand, I've just talked to R. Chandra and he assured that SAL is already taking over the neccessary functionalities, being scheduled for obsolescence within the next two years. So don't hesitate to put sal_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf. It will at least coredump in a pleasant voice. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 26 05:33:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6AD2106564A for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 05:33:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 769528FC12 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 05:33:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-114-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.114.16]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC001DD4F; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 06:33:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p1Q5XkhN001511; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 06:33:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 06:33:46 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "Edwin L. Culp W." Message-Id: <20110226063346.18ce73a0.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20110225073814.57dcdd68@scorpio> <201102251832.p1PIWmTW004839@mail.r-bonomi.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HAL's demise X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 05:33:48 -0000 On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:10:33 -0600, "Edwin L. Culp W." wrote: > So > it appears that there isn't a major window manager that doesn't > require hal, one way or the other. To be precise: There isn't a major DESKTOP ENVIRONMENT (as there are just the "big three" KDE, Gnome, Xfce - that doesn't require HAL. Window managers usually do not require HAL, until they are equipped with auxilliary programs that depend on it (kinds of notifiers and automatic hardware handlers, automounters), or it's X depending on it (which can be removed at compile time if you don't need it). The basic thing I don't get is why - in the neverending world of abstracted abstraction layers - there is no universal interface for what various contradicting implementations do exist: the "new" u* components and the "old" devfs/devd combination in FreeBSD. Basically, from a user's point, those functionalities are used for hardware detection and immediate reaction of the system (not always wanted, intended, or even allowed due to security reasons), such as digital camera downloads, burning media, or any kind of automounter, as well as communication device configuration. Can't it be easier, or can't "we" suddenly do better than "Windows"? I know "we" could in the past... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 26 05:41:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E01AF1065675 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 05:41:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B368FC12 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 05:41:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-114-16.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.114.16]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 935121E105; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 06:41:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p1Q5fb5F001522; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 06:41:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 06:41:37 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Alokat Message-Id: <20110226064137.b8ad01f0.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4D683001.8020102@alokat.org> References: <4D682300.4090007@alokat.org> <4D683001.8020102@alokat.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: display resolution on my thinkpad t61 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 05:41:40 -0000 On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 23:41:05 +0100, Alokat wrote: > On 02/25/11 22:45, Alokat wrote: > > 1440x900 is enough for the external but the internal can / should use > > 1680x1050. > > How can I add this to xrandr? > I got it ... > Just started without the external monitor and after that use this command: > > xrandr --output LVDS --primary --output VGA --auto --left-of LVDS > > Now the internal monitor is the primary .. contains the Fluxbox menu and > the external is the secondary. You can also use xrandr to force settings that are not present in xorg.conf or cannot be configured properly: xrandr --fb 1680x1050 xrandr --size 1680x1050 I'm using this "hack" to convince X to run my monitor at 1400x1050 which it doesn't seem to be able to anymore (unlike XFree86 - same system, GPU, and monitor). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 26 09:09:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA946106564A for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 09:09:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5662F8FC0A for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 09:09:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so2916560bwz.13 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 01:09:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=aIdiyJc8RshsnKUSEjXXbVfqgY99mURJVP9Hc0cgMYo=; b=fzPha/Bqaf+gYry09TH87CO9Rg09FATKUhx8kih+2GBUNzEcVWdQk978X5XwSiLvbO KmxHY3vLtPoJMsyqqExg+sMpwvux86bCST8vWgKEXiZCBX4WoMlyvQOqvKkFsckVp5mu raYCb3KcEBU6kLpICMjDIyGcgro31mcNDBVqc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=VHteAkGBXqxZUn/w/cD9zNnQ5kvoc2haOMbAD2pYnQFVs+ZFprYtEDJfErlmHDEZ8/ xFP2srqQl5d1qWsJOLY9QkozQ0upheP0Zj4sGygAsvqoSdiWajS9Cdo1mwpDwxVHym4n u7C7NU6489L2gO8PNRMp0B5u18lA6AgbtAn3k= Received: by 10.204.126.99 with SMTP id b35mr2809548bks.168.1298711389248; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 01:09:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.157.21 with HTTP; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 01:09:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Chris Rees Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 09:09:19 +0000 Message-ID: To: Eitan Adler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: bf1783@gmail.com, "b. f." , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is CTM still being offered for updating FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 09:09:50 -0000 On 25 February 2011 23:42, Eitan Adler wrote: > =A0=A0Why is this question even arising? Surely there are other >> problems that need to be addressed much more than the ending of a >> useful, uncontroversial service by someone who is not familiar with >> it? > > I am familiar with it. I just happened to notice that the mailing > lists were empty and therefore I thought the service is not being > used. > > In case you did not notice the subject was in question form and points > #2 and #3 both had an "if not " clause. Your initial response answered > my question: that CTM is still being offered. and therefore the rest > of the email is moot. > The mailing list archives are empty because there's little sense in preserving the deltas as mail archives when they're available via FTP. However... the other CTM lists are active. Try it! Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 26 16:19:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3C9106564A for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 16:19:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@speakeasy.net) Received: from mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61C298FC0C for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 16:19:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 594 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2011 16:19:07 -0000 Received: from s3.stradamotorsports.com (HELO w16.stradamotorsports.com) (jcw@[64.81.163.125]) (envelope-sender ) by mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 26 Feb 2011 16:19:07 -0000 Message-ID: <4D6927FB.6040907@speakeasy.net> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 08:19:07 -0800 From: "Jason C. Wells" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110120 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd general questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Building Java X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 16:19:08 -0000 Trying to build java. Oracle has change tzupdater to 1.3.35. Ports calls for 1.3.34. Oracle provides 1.3.35 if you register for their support portal. The support portal is behind a flash sniffer that won't let you in without flash. grrrr! Can someone please just point me to a bootleg copy of the java sources? Thanks, Jason C. Wells From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 26 16:20:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3B9910656B6 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 16:20:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@speakeasy.net) Received: from mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.39]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B692D8FC1E for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 16:20:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 11120 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2011 16:20:12 -0000 Received: from g1.stradamotorsports.com (HELO w16.stradamotorsports.com) (jcw@[64.81.163.42]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 26 Feb 2011 16:20:12 -0000 Message-ID: <4D69283B.7090300@speakeasy.net> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 08:20:11 -0800 From: "Jason C. Wells" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110120 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd general questions References: <4D6927FB.6040907@speakeasy.net> In-Reply-To: <4D6927FB.6040907@speakeasy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Building Java X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 16:20:12 -0000 On 02/26/11 08:19, Jason C. Wells wrote: > Trying to build java. Oracle has change tzupdater to 1.3.35. Ports > calls for 1.3.34. Oracle provides 1.3.35 if you register for their > support portal. The support portal is behind a flash sniffer that > won't let you in without flash. grrrr! > > Can someone please just point me to a bootleg copy of the java sources? > > Thanks, > Jason C. Wells Whoops. That should read "Oracle provides 1.1.34 only if you register." Jason From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 26 16:43:37 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF4F9106564A for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 16:43:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@speakeasy.net) Received: from mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91DA38FC0C for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 16:43:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 30033 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2011 16:43:36 -0000 Received: from s8.stradamotorsports.com (HELO w16.stradamotorsports.com) (jcw@[64.81.163.126]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 26 Feb 2011 16:43:36 -0000 Message-ID: <4D692DB8.6040604@speakeasy.net> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 08:43:36 -0800 From: "Jason C. Wells" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110120 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd general questions References: <4D6927FB.6040907@speakeasy.net> <4D69283B.7090300@speakeasy.net> In-Reply-To: <4D69283B.7090300@speakeasy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Building Java X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 16:43:37 -0000 Never mind. I did a little URL edit and got the file. Jason From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 26 18:16:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F7871065670 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 18:16:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@intersonic.se) Received: from neonpark.inter-sonic.com (neonpark.inter-sonic.com [212.247.8.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 039CB8FC20 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 18:16:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at BSDLabs AB Message-ID: <4D693EBF.5080206@intersonic.se> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 18:56:15 +0100 From: Per olof Ljungmark Organization: Intersonic AB User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101107 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: cups-base: undefined reference to `_httpBIOMethods' X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 18:16:35 -0000 Upgraded Perl to 5.12.3, rebuilt ALL ports depending on Perl, everyone except cups-base compiles fine. I have rebuilt again using portupgrade -fRX but that did not fix it. Any suggestions befora I pkg_delete -a and start from scratch? FreeBSD 8.2-PRERELEASE #0: Fri Feb 25 17:47:56 CET 2011 which openssl /usr/bin/openssl Only config option in cups-base marked with an X is GHOSTSCRIPT Sources from February 24th. cc -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -fPIC -Os -g -fstack-protector -I.. -D_CUPS_SOURCE -I/usr/local/include -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -DOPENSSL_DISABLE_OLD_DES_SUPPORT -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_THREAD_SAFE -D_REENTRANT -c -o sysman.o sysman.c echo Linking cupsd... Linking cupsd... cc -L../cgi-bin -L../cups -L../filter -L../ppdc -L../scheduler -L/usr/local/lib -rpath=/usr/lib:/usr/local/lib -Wl,-R/usr/local/lib -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -fPIC -Os -g -fstack-protector -o cupsd auth.o banners.o cert.o classes.o client.o conf.o dirsvc.o env.o main.o ipp.o listen.o job.o log.o network.o policy.o printers.o process.o quotas.o removefile.o select.o server.o statbuf.o subscriptions.o sysman.o -L. -lcupsmime \ -lz -lssl -lcrypto \ -lcups -lssl -lcrypto -pthread -lm -lcrypt \ client.o(.text+0x1989): In function `encrypt_client': /usr/ports/print/cups-base/work/cups-1.4.6/scheduler/client.c:3183: undefined reference to `_httpBIOMethods' gmake[1]: *** [cupsd] Error 1 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/print/cups-base/work/cups-1.4.6/scheduler' gmake: *** [all] Error 1 *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/print/cups-base. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 26 19:05:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1024106564A for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 19:05:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dieterbsd@engineer.com) Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (imr-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7228FC08 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 19:05:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p1QJ5U3a002043 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 14:05:30 -0500 Received: from dieterbsd@engineer.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id n.e23.d46e91d (43962) for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 14:05:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-dc01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-dc01.mx.aol.com [205.188.170.1]) by cia-dd02.mx.aol.com (v129.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD023-d1c44d694ef031b; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 14:05:24 -0500 Received: from web-mmc-d05 (web-mmc-d05.sim.aol.com [205.188.103.95]) by smtprly-dc01.mx.aol.com (v129.9) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDC015-d1c44d694ef031b; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 14:05:20 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 14:05:20 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 67.206.170.47 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: dieterbsd@engineer.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: Mail.com Webmail 33298-STANDARD Received: from 67.206.170.47 by web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com (205.188.103.95) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 26 Feb 2011 14:05:20 -0500 Message-Id: <8CDA3FF3F3BE0C9-338-D8F3@web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-SENDER: dieterbsd@engineer.com Subject: Bad symlink on ftp sites for 8.2 release X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 19:05:32 -0000 There seems to be a bad symlink on the ftp sites for the 8.2 release: .../pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/8.2-RELEASE/packages ->=20 ../../../ports/amd64/packages-8.2-release From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 26 19:55:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AF24106564A for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 19:55:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bluethundr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D708FC08 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 19:55:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so2275884iwn.13 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 11:55:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=zp1Y0WewltBFjgLge7ri6UcawXWcZR/vG9hubWP6W/o=; b=o73N45zZk6f7dlu3E92SUiEUkmhuHAYYnwwNIwo2iox7fs/dhuwyFUCmCvW9crhEEM Sg6HgsIiBG4EeTEiBHSAmzdM9eFMMq7kp9pmYuU34vsxCUI7XYR8byYMDdkmpJ7qMRfy XtVQvVv1XhDDSBRY9gr95DfmRblSYIj58zkZw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=XsmqSc1je3aTtrcuxGJ9zlHQRC6kYoU3WEGFHt+FLkWLjpIVCxwStp6kcyBTfd0zc9 P19ikh1VcCKxyLiIt17ccV4i9uBXV6NSuGWPamTbSfRPPUbYTG6C/fz+b5+ycAWVgCkr ShayrN9UxLsVX2eZ6J3vbLcDddlw3FSzN/bXo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.226.202 with SMTP id ix10mr2608496icb.252.1298750108268; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 11:55:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.228.7 with HTTP; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 11:55:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 14:55:08 -0500 Message-ID: From: Tim Dunphy To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: pam ssh authentication via ldap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 19:55:10 -0000 Hello List!! I have an OpenLDAP 2.4 server functioning very nicely that authenticates a network of (mostly virtual) centos 5.5 machines. But at the moment I am attempting to setup pam authentication for ssh via LDAP and having some difficulty. My /etc/pam.d/sshd file seems to be setup logically and correctly: # PAM configuration for the "sshd" service # # auth auth sufficient pam_opie.so no_warn no_fake_prompts auth requisite pam_opieaccess.so no_warn allow_local #auth sufficient pam_krb5.so no_warn try_first_pass #auth sufficient pam_ssh.so no_warn try_first_pass auth required pam_ldap.so #auth required pam_unix.so no_warn try_first_pass # account account required pam_nologin.so #account required pam_krb5.so account required pam_login_access.so account required pam_ldap.so #account required pam_unix.so # session #session optional pam_ssh.so session sufficient pam_ldap.so session required pam_permit.so # password #password sufficient pam_krb5.so no_warn try_first_pass password required pam_ldap.so #password required pam_unix.so no_warn try_first_pass And if I'm reading the logs correctly LDAP is searching for and finding the account information when I am making the login attempt: Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: conn=21358 op=22122 SRCH base="dc=summitnjhome,dc=com" scope=2 deref=0 filter="(&(objectClass=posixAccount)(uidNumber=1001 ))" Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: conn=21358 op=22122 SRCH attr=uid userPassword uidNumber gidNumber cn homeDirectory loginShell gecos description objectCla ss Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: => bdb_filter_candidates Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: AND Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: => bdb_list_candidates 0xa0 Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: => bdb_filter_candidates Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: OR Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: => bdb_list_candidates 0xa1 Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: => bdb_filter_candidates Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: EQUALITY Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: <= bdb_filter_candidates: id=0 first=0 last=0 Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: => bdb_filter_candidates Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: AND Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: => bdb_list_candidates 0xa0 Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: => bdb_filter_candidates Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: EQUALITY Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: <= bdb_filter_candidates: id=26 first=106 last=137 Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: => bdb_filter_candidates Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: EQUALITY Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: <= bdb_filter_candidates: id=0 first=0 last=0 Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: <= bdb_list_candidates: id=0 first=106 last=0 Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: <= bdb_filter_candidates: id=0 first=106 last=0 Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: <= bdb_list_candidates: id=0 first=0 last=0 Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: <= bdb_filter_candidates: id=0 first=0 last=0 Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: <= bdb_list_candidates: id=0 first=1 last=0 Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: <= bdb_filter_candidates: id=0 first=1 last=0 Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: conn=21358 op=22122 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: daemon: activity on 1 descriptor Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: daemon: waked Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: daemon: select: listen=6 active_threads=0 tvp=NULL Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: daemon: select: listen=7 active_threads=0 tvp=NULL Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: daemon: activity on 1 descriptor Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: daemon: activity on: Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: daemon: read activity on 212 Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: daemon: select: listen=6 active_threads=0 tvp=NULL Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: daemon: select: listen=7 active_threads=0 tvp=NULL Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: connection_read(212): input error=-2 id=34715, closing. Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: connection_closing: readying conn=34715 sd=212 for close Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: daemon: activity on 1 descriptor Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: daemon: waked Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: daemon: select: listen=6 active_threads=0 tvp=NULL Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: daemon: select: listen=7 active_threads=0 tvp=NULL Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: daemon: removing 212 Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: conn=34715 fd=212 closed (connection lost) But logins fail every time. Could someone offer an opinion as to what may be going on to prevent logging in via pam/sshd and LDAP? Thanks in advance! Tim -- GPG me!! gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys F186197B From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 26 20:01:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F09341065673 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 20:01:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bluethundr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B731D8FC14 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 20:01:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyj12 with SMTP id 12so2065223iyj.13 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 12:01:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MmHui2+r4bQRkaHOfkPBm9tXtHzJhFWF0SqWdM2wUu8=; b=ofUdN/itGN1hbg+JjTazkHn8d86j1He5WRO6LK8wWxrKppsNdniKRdh8FZ854sAKzI upqRNIxcCAIR+Gc76s474SX3oy33LpS8mQIIxvPSCaVNg5KAdYN88pHq6FdJfCejESvu B80LoW8UBMuoG58drMtUQaNkFeiJJzzL9gO44= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=MarkzEfX3FunO6kPo3wjzBZmmBPwzk9gMNjkHMkQqCHqcdpF7W++nd1jQMOb7vX49J 7UqliNLCqAtxCBTDhE1CMKUpfqSBbfuoQwYEjZW9yd1C4DeYN2jqz7aNJiogm4hWnDK1 UErOCngpfk6j31viRSEfm3eUSZd4Ea/ALmRv0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.189.9 with SMTP id dc9mr2613479icb.51.1298750482335; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 12:01:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.228.7 with HTTP; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 12:01:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 15:01:22 -0500 Message-ID: From: Tim Dunphy To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: pam ssh authentication via ldap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 20:01:24 -0000 Hey list, I just wanted to follow up with my /usr/local/etc/ldap.conf file and nsswitch file because I thought they might be helpful in dispensing advice as to what is going on: uri ldap://LBSD2.summitnjhome.com base ou=3Dstaff,ou=3DGroup,dc=3Dsummitnjhome,dc=3Dcom sudoers_base ou=3Dstaff,ou=3DGroup,dc=3Dsummitnjhome,dc=3Dcom binddn cn=3Dpam_ldap,ou=3DServices,dc=3Dsummitnjhome,dc=3Dcom bindpw secret scope sub pam_password exop nss_base_passwd dc=3Dsummitnjhome,dc=3Dcom nss_base_shadow dc=3Dsummitnjhome,dc=3Dcom nss_base_group dc=3Dsummitnjhome,dc=3Dcom nss_base_sudo dc=3Dsummitnjhome,dc=3Dcom # nsswitch.conf(5) - name service switch configuration file # $FreeBSD: src/etc/nsswitch.conf,v 1.1.10.1.2.1 2009/10/25 01:10:29 kensmith Exp $ # passwd: files ldap passwd_compat: files ldap group: files ldap group_compat: nis sudoers: ldap hosts: files dns networks: files shells: files services: compat services_compat: nis protocols: files rpc: files On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Tim Dunphy wrote: > Hello List!! > > =A0I have an OpenLDAP 2.4 server functioning very nicely that > authenticates a network of (mostly virtual) centos 5.5 machines. > > =A0But at the moment I am attempting to setup pam authentication for ssh > via LDAP and having some difficulty. > > =A0My /etc/pam.d/sshd file seems to be setup logically and correctly: > > # PAM configuration for the "sshd" service > # > > # auth > auth =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0sufficient =A0 =A0 =A0pam_opie.so =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 no_warn no_fake_prompts > auth =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0requisite =A0 =A0 =A0 pam_opieaccess.so =A0 = =A0 =A0 no_warn allow_local > #auth =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 sufficient =A0 =A0 =A0pam_krb5.so =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 no_warn try_first_pass > #auth =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 sufficient =A0 =A0 =A0pam_ssh.so =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0no_warn try_first_pass > auth =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0required =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0pam_ldap.so > #auth =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 required =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0pam_unix.so =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 no_warn try_first_pass > > # account > account =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 required =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0pam_nologin.so > #account =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0required =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0pam_krb5.so > account =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 required =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0pam_login_access.so > account =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 required =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0pam_ldap.so > #account =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0required =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0pam_unix.so > > # session > #session =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0optional =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0pam_ssh.so > session =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 sufficient =A0 =A0 =A0pam_ldap.so > session =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 required =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0pam_permit.so > > # password > #password =A0 =A0 =A0 sufficient =A0 =A0 =A0pam_krb5.so =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 no_warn try_first_pass > password =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0required =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0pam_ldap.so > #password =A0 =A0 =A0 required =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0pam_unix.so =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 no_warn try_first_pass > > > And if I'm reading the logs correctly LDAP is searching for and > finding the account information when I am making the login attempt: > > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: conn=3D21358 op=3D22122 SRCH > base=3D"dc=3Dsummitnjhome,dc=3Dcom" scope=3D2 deref=3D0 > filter=3D"(&(objectClass=3DposixAccount)(uidNumber=3D1001 > ))" > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: conn=3D21358 op=3D22122 SRCH attr=3Du= id > userPassword uidNumber gidNumber cn homeDirectory loginShell gecos > description objectCla > ss > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: =3D> bdb_filter_candidates > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: =A0 =A0 AND > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: =3D> bdb_list_candidates 0xa0 > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: =3D> bdb_filter_candidates > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: =A0 =A0 OR > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: =3D> bdb_list_candidates 0xa1 > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: =3D> bdb_filter_candidates > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: =A0 =A0 EQUALITY > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: <=3D bdb_filter_candidates: id=3D0 > first=3D0 last=3D0 > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: =3D> bdb_filter_candidates > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: =A0 =A0 AND > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: =3D> bdb_list_candidates 0xa0 > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: =3D> bdb_filter_candidates > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: =A0 =A0 EQUALITY > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: <=3D bdb_filter_candidates: id=3D26 > first=3D106 last=3D137 > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: =3D> bdb_filter_candidates > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: =A0 =A0 EQUALITY > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: <=3D bdb_filter_candidates: id=3D0 > first=3D0 last=3D0 > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: <=3D bdb_list_candidates: id=3D0 > first=3D106 last=3D0 > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: <=3D bdb_filter_candidates: id=3D0 > first=3D106 last=3D0 > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: <=3D bdb_list_candidates: id=3D0 firs= t=3D0 last=3D0 > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: <=3D bdb_filter_candidates: id=3D0 > first=3D0 last=3D0 > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: <=3D bdb_list_candidates: id=3D0 firs= t=3D1 last=3D0 > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: <=3D bdb_filter_candidates: id=3D0 > first=3D1 last=3D0 > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: conn=3D21358 op=3D22122 SEARCH RESULT > tag=3D101 err=3D0 nentries=3D0 text=3D > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: daemon: activity on 1 descriptor > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: daemon: waked > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: daemon: select: listen=3D6 > active_threads=3D0 tvp=3DNULL > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: daemon: select: listen=3D7 > active_threads=3D0 tvp=3DNULL > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: daemon: activity on 1 descriptor > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: daemon: activity on: > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: daemon: read activity on 212 > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: daemon: select: listen=3D6 > active_threads=3D0 tvp=3DNULL > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: daemon: select: listen=3D7 > active_threads=3D0 tvp=3DNULL > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: connection_read(212): input > error=3D-2 id=3D34715, closing. > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: connection_closing: readying > conn=3D34715 sd=3D212 for close > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: daemon: activity on 1 descriptor > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: daemon: waked > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: daemon: select: listen=3D6 > active_threads=3D0 tvp=3DNULL > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: daemon: select: listen=3D7 > active_threads=3D0 tvp=3DNULL > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: daemon: removing 212 > Feb 26 19:52:54 LBSD2 slapd[54891]: conn=3D34715 fd=3D212 closed (connect= ion lost) > > > But logins fail every time. Could someone offer an opinion as to what > may be going on to prevent logging in via pam/sshd and LDAP? > > Thanks in advance! > Tim > > -- > GPG me!! > > gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys F186197B > --=20 GPG me!! gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys F186197B From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 26 20:21:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59EBF1065673 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 20:21:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patfbsd@davenulle.org) Received: from smtp.lamaiziere.net (net.lamaiziere.net [91.121.44.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 218488FC0A for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 20:21:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (unknown [192.168.1.10]) by smtp.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6FC263307B; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 21:21:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BFE32CEC44; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 21:21:18 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 21:21:15 +0100 From: Patrick Lamaiziere To: "Jason C. Wells" Message-ID: <20110226212115.57694c8f@davenulle.org> In-Reply-To: <4D692DB8.6040604@speakeasy.net> References: <4D6927FB.6040907@speakeasy.net> <4D69283B.7090300@speakeasy.net> <4D692DB8.6040604@speakeasy.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd general questions Subject: Re: Building Java X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 20:21:27 -0000 Le Sat, 26 Feb 2011 08:43:36 -0800, "Jason C. Wells" a écrit : Hello, (java tzupdaters) > Never mind. I did a little URL edit and got the file. You can also build the port without the option TZUPDATE. Regards. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 26 21:57:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EAE4106566C for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 21:57:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@intersonic.se) Received: from neonpark.inter-sonic.com (neonpark.inter-sonic.com [212.247.8.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D6C8FC14 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 21:57:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at BSDLabs AB Message-ID: <4D697742.7090805@intersonic.se> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 22:57:22 +0100 From: Per olof Ljungmark Organization: Intersonic AB User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101107 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org References: <4D693EBF.5080206@intersonic.se> In-Reply-To: <4D693EBF.5080206@intersonic.se> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: cups-base: undefined reference to `_httpBIOMethods' X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 21:57:26 -0000 Answering myself, On 02/26/11 18:56, Per olof Ljungmark wrote: <....> > > cc -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -fPIC -Os -g -fstack-protector -I.. > -D_CUPS_SOURCE -I/usr/local/include -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing > -DOPENSSL_DISABLE_OLD_DES_SUPPORT -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_THREAD_SAFE > -D_REENTRANT -c -o sysman.o sysman.c > echo Linking cupsd... > Linking cupsd... > cc -L../cgi-bin -L../cups -L../filter -L../ppdc -L../scheduler > -L/usr/local/lib -rpath=/usr/lib:/usr/local/lib -Wl,-R/usr/local/lib > -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -fPIC -Os -g -fstack-protector -o cupsd auth.o > banners.o cert.o classes.o client.o conf.o dirsvc.o env.o main.o ipp.o > listen.o job.o log.o network.o policy.o printers.o process.o quotas.o > removefile.o select.o server.o statbuf.o subscriptions.o sysman.o -L. > -lcupsmime \ > -lz -lssl -lcrypto \ > -lcups -lssl -lcrypto -pthread -lm -lcrypt \ > > client.o(.text+0x1989): In function `encrypt_client': > /usr/ports/print/cups-base/work/cups-1.4.6/scheduler/client.c:3183: > undefined reference to `_httpBIOMethods' > gmake[1]: *** [cupsd] Error 1 > gmake[1]: Leaving directory > `/usr/ports/print/cups-base/work/cups-1.4.6/scheduler' > gmake: *** [all] Error 1 > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/print/cups-base. cups-client needs to be compiled w/out gnutls as well.