From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 5 01:00:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE051065670 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 01:00:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.26.172.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A7728FC12 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 01:00:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id p5510cPT005778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 4 Jun 2011 18:00:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id p5510cFK005777; Sat, 4 Jun 2011 18:00:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA23896; Sat, 4 Jun 11 17:48:35 PDT Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2011 17:48:30 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: kayasaman@gmail.com Message-Id: <4dead25e.dVwQb8YCMs0X59f/%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <4DE8CF13.1040304@gmail.com> <4de9679b.AE3DPW9jNqVtiL2D%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <4DE9E44E.3080707@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4DE9E44E.3080707@gmail.com> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Strange system lockups - kernel saying disk error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 01:00:48 -0000 Kaya Saman wrote: > > Did you apply any updates shortly before it started to fail? > > No updates! I did however, install unrar through ports. Intuitively, that seems unlikely to have triggered the problem. > I remember on other boards that went on me in the past with > capacitor issues, a bunch of orange stuff starts leaking out > of them when they blow up. A leaking capacitor has surely gone bad, but the syndrome I'm thinking of is more subtle. The top of the can, which should be flat, bulges upward a little bit. Whether replacing bad capacitors qualifies as "quick" depends on how comfortable you are using a soldering iron. It does generally require taking the board out of the case, which may or may not be "quick" or "easy" depending on the case design. > Also the chassis doesn't have any cooling fans either since it was > bought extremely cheaply by the family member but not sure that's > the culprit neither power problems as the system has run in high > outside ambient temps in the past with no A/C in the room and also > was working fine on the PSU installed with the 4 disks. Fans that were never there can't have suddenly failed :) Power supplies do fail occasionally, and not always in obvious ways such as failing to turn on at all. The output voltages may be a little too high or too low, or they may be correct but with excessive ripple or electrical noise; or the supply may be just fine until a disk draws a current spike to move the arm rapidly. It might be worth checking the fan mounted on the CPU heatsink if there is one, and the fan in the power supply (which ventilates the case as well as the power supply itself). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 5 02:33:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0703B106566B for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 02:33:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05728FC0A for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 02:33:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p552XEnw034905; Sat, 4 Jun 2011 20:33:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p552XEWV034902; Sat, 4 Jun 2011 20:33:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 20:33:14 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Scott Gasch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-902635197-1433074227-1307241194=:34792" X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 04 Jun 2011 20:33:14 -0600 (MDT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Usb printers take the same port deterministically? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 02:33:16 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---902635197-1433074227-1307241194=:34792 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Sat, 4 Jun 2011, Scott Gasch wrote: > Thanks, Warren.  Works great, mostly :) > I actually need the "unlpt*" device because of publishing the raw printers.  Hooking the attach/detach of those device names directly did not work.  Adding an action to the "ulpt" > device does work... but I then ran into the problem of pulling the number out of the $device variable to figure out what port just attached.  After some messing around (I tried to match > the device and serial variables) I gave up and just made two entries per printer: one for ulpt0 and one for ulpt1 (see below). "action" can be a whole script. Of course the quoting can get ugly. Here's what I use for a scanner. The backtick portion was from someone on the mailing lists. Can't recall who came up with it, but they deserve credit anyway: attach 20 { device-name "ugen[0-9].[0-9]"; match "vendor" "0x04b8"; match "product" "0x010a"; action "usb_devaddr=`echo $device-name | sed 's#^ugen##'` && \ chown root:saned /dev/usb/${usb_devaddr}.* && \ chmod 0660 /dev/usb/${usb_devaddr}.* && \ su saned -c '/usr/local/bin/scanbuttond \ -s /usr/local/etc/scanbuttond/buttonpressed.sh \ -S /usr/local/etc/scanbuttond/initscanner.sh \ -b /usr/local/lib/libscanbtnd-backend_epson.so'"; }; usb_devaddr is created by removing "ugen" from device-name. Then it sets owner and permissions on the device and runs scanbuttond as user "saned". > Just because I'm a pain, how does this work if you have two printers > from the same vendor?  Epson's product code 0x0009, for example, means > "high speed usb 2.0 printer".  So I'm guessing, really, that any epson > printer would match? Different models should have different product codes. Failing that, there might be other information available, like a model number or serial number. ---902635197-1433074227-1307241194=:34792-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 5 02:43:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A380E1065673 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 02:43:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 656748FC0A for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 02:43:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p552hb1G034929; Sat, 4 Jun 2011 20:43:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p552hbEG034926; Sat, 4 Jun 2011 20:43:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 20:43:37 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Robert Simmons In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <4DEAAE54.1050508@locolomo.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 04 Jun 2011 20:43:37 -0600 (MDT) Cc: "questions@FreeBSD.org Questions" Subject: Re: Partitioning with gpart or old style slices? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 02:43:38 -0000 On Sat, 4 Jun 2011, Robert Simmons wrote: >> Do I need kernel modules not in the generic kernel or create extra boot >> partition? > > If you use it to make GPT partitions, you will need a freebsd-boot > partition with the proper bootcode for what you want to do. If you > search this mailing list's archive, I've posted basic instructions for > gpart/GPT partitioning recently, perhaps there needs to be a section > added to Handbook 18.3.2 describing the basics. Unfortunately, the > only mention in the handbook is a link to the man page in section > 18.3. There's a sample in the second half of my disk setup article: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 5 03:11:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E53106566C for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 03:11:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0561C8FC0A for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 03:11:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxd30 with SMTP id 30so457513yxd.13 for ; Sat, 04 Jun 2011 20:11:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=dU9z/ehntvAdwOS/P+joZUlGWYMLl0QAHMkBJCVth9U=; b=UrthBLxR4bHXmBk1UBAmBqDqsFoGCPDH/Pm04nRLY+MQVFLxYD14CSgBfGTBO+q9L0 eR1998qkiuDaBHAcDXY9+ILeQs22mYEBv/N2ZYKihhe7Nohn4/d6/PUkQWNQgbggT5pG U9Xuf1fU7v5sC8PiKodM76sv0v/ZK7qfFUrog= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=p7zNy3CG3+38MpKubSNpmdHh4FaGzJ6VnFvAHaF9asXgRW+wCHSNh56MdO6Vz5AYDr zTp5NQJf+Xb5SC3I4uMBL2zmzaplxfvnJjNgwVyIpb99kynlNQqPtm1fw5juMOW8voGD JJoyR2sGbF9bBK9X4hNZff6dbQhuu4VDRcTP0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.28.24 with SMTP id b24mr2593459anb.168.1307243462466; Sat, 04 Jun 2011 20:11:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.227.17 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Jun 2011 20:11:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4DEAAE54.1050508@locolomo.org> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 23:11:02 -0400 Message-ID: From: Robert Simmons To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Subject: Re: Partitioning with gpart or old style slices? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 03:11:04 -0000 On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:43 PM, Warren Block wrote: > There's a sample in the second half of my disk setup article: > > http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html Looks good. I have a few critiques: 1) Linux and FreeBSD do not have alignment requirements, as far as I know. So you may want to include a note about this when you say "Create partition for /. It should start at the 1M boundary for alignment on 4K sector drives, or 2048 blocks:" This would only be necessary for dual-boot with an OS that has alignment requirements such as windows. This would essentially be the difference between the two old methods of dedicated and not. 2) Perhaps add a note about softupdates (-U) for partitions other than / when you describe the newfs steps. 3) I like to put /root in its own partition on the off chance that it fills up. That way it's in a little sandbox and does not fill /. But this is personal preference, I guess. I think your article would be a good place to start for making an updated section in the handbook. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 5 04:40:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A2B5106564A for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 04:40:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 926698FC0A for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 04:40:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [93.104.85.249] (helo=localhost.my.domain) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QT58T-0004Ki-0E; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 06:40:25 +0200 Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p554eN5Q002294; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 06:40:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.4/8.14.3/Submit) id p554eMor002293; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 06:40:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 06:40:22 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Warren Block Message-ID: <20110605044021.GA2213@tinyCurrent> References: <4DEAAE54.1050508@locolomo.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Originating-IP: 93.104.85.249 Cc: "questions@FreeBSD.org Questions" , Robert Simmons Subject: Re: Partitioning with gpart or old style slices? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 04:40:29 -0000 El día Saturday, June 04, 2011 a las 08:43:37PM -0600, Warren Block escribió: > On Sat, 4 Jun 2011, Robert Simmons wrote: > > >> Do I need kernel modules not in the generic kernel or create extra boot > >> partition? > > > > If you use it to make GPT partitions, you will need a freebsd-boot > > partition with the proper bootcode for what you want to do. If you > > search this mailing list's archive, I've posted basic instructions for > > gpart/GPT partitioning recently, perhaps there needs to be a section > > added to Handbook 18.3.2 describing the basics. Unfortunately, the > > only mention in the handbook is a link to the man page in section > > 18.3. > > There's a sample in the second half of my disk setup article: > > http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html Since some time I'm as well using gpart(8) to setup new systems with the following sequence: # gpart create -s mbr ad4 # Init the disk with an MBR # gpart add -t freebsd ad4 # Create a BSD container # gpart create -s bsd ad4s1 # Init with a BSD scheme # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -s 1G ad4s1 # 1GB for / # gpart add -t freebsd-swap -s 2G ad4s1 # 2GB for swap # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -s 2G ad4s1 # 2GB for /var # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -s 1G ad4s1 # 1GB for /tmp # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs ad4s1 # all rest for /usr # gpart set -a active -i 1 ad4 But the result is not ready for boot after install the kernel and system; I allways have to go again with the sysinstall(8) tool to set the 'A' flag; don't know what I'm missing (and the man page is not very instructive on this); thanks PS: next time will try the example of your page, Warren; thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 5 04:59:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A51D2106566B for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 04:59:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 698C98FC0C for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 04:59:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-63-204.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.63.204]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1F5C1E133; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 06:59:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p554xiam001617; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 06:59:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 06:59:44 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Matthias Apitz Message-Id: <20110605065944.4cab117a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110605044021.GA2213@tinyCurrent> References: <4DEAAE54.1050508@locolomo.org> <20110605044021.GA2213@tinyCurrent> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "questions@FreeBSD.org Questions" Subject: Re: Partitioning with gpart or old style slices? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 04:59:47 -0000 On Sun, 5 Jun 2011 06:40:22 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > Since some time I'm as well using gpart(8) to setup new systems with the > following sequence: > > # gpart create -s mbr ad4 # Init the disk with an MBR > # gpart add -t freebsd ad4 # Create a BSD container > # gpart create -s bsd ad4s1 # Init with a BSD scheme > # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -s 1G ad4s1 # 1GB for / > # gpart add -t freebsd-swap -s 2G ad4s1 # 2GB for swap > # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -s 2G ad4s1 # 2GB for /var > # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -s 1G ad4s1 # 1GB for /tmp > # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs ad4s1 # all rest for /usr > # gpart set -a active -i 1 ad4 Just a side question that may be interesting for addition in a new Handbook section: When you use the "old" method, you can leave out the slicing step, creating a "dangerously" (haha) dedicated disk for use with FreeBSD. Would this also work with gpart by omitting the "gpart create -s bsd ad4s1" step and then refering to ad4 instead of ad4s1 in the "gpart add -t freebsd-ufs/swap" steps? > But the result is not ready for boot after install the kernel and > system; I allways have to go again with the sysinstall(8) tool to set > the 'A' flag; don't know what I'm missing (and the man page is not very > instructive on this); thanks I agree about the manpage; "gpart set -a attrib -i index [-f flags] geom" is mentioned in the synopsis, but there's no further mentioning of the -a option and its parameters. Maybe (haven't tested!) "gpart set -a active -i 1 ad4s1" is equivalent to setting the "A" flag using sysinstall? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 5 05:03:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E483106564A for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 05:03:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B68F48FC0A for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 05:03:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwc9 with SMTP id 9so1778096qwc.13 for ; Sat, 04 Jun 2011 22:03:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=zLfpTyDUKHuLsgtWNBrDCicwX1w6gR//DTQq5hGvalc=; b=pgIYhrob2CYS+82wdSVq/k7TAKHzdh7Shu+FIR0Itzvw6Cve6kBsQSEMVh7yy6ru5R QTOROI3bMJdSnq2y+WB8Sd6N0WMFQGfZkIBnYmbbE1HJ0AHFh7D01ZIL5VrEveZvbAqF uxLMWZpCG0heG1EUDvaeFigpFdGVZ+jeqJ+vk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=ah6latZ9Wj2Ke6nayIP5beng6a12jZVEvTeez0iQSBRwYOZVhLBIJd12a8tCsGuxNi 04xof2uaeKASpF+5g/zHjPeT4AJsIp7t4RK8QxSRZztOABNWS+fTpTFzJ9LnQNDgDnfd sY5NhQdkcOVHk61/ICZcHnJGvtSBPOYaOiKEI= Received: by 10.229.43.209 with SMTP id x17mr2556142qce.257.1307250228953; Sat, 04 Jun 2011 22:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skynet.localnet (pool-108-28-47-226.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.28.47.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f16sm2044841qck.21.2011.06.04.22.03.48 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 04 Jun 2011 22:03:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Simmons To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 01:03:47 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.6 (Linux/2.6.38-8-generic; KDE/4.6.3; i686; ; ) References: <4DEAAE54.1050508@locolomo.org> <20110605044021.GA2213@tinyCurrent> In-Reply-To: <20110605044021.GA2213@tinyCurrent> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201106050103.47416.rsimmons0@gmail.com> Cc: Subject: Re: Partitioning with gpart or old style slices? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rsimmons0@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 05:03:50 -0000 On Sunday, June 05, 2011 12:40:22 AM Matthias Apitz wrote: > Since some time I'm as well using gpart(8) to setup new systems with the > following sequence: > > # gpart create -s mbr ad4 # Init the disk with an MBR > # gpart add -t freebsd ad4 # Create a BSD container > # gpart create -s bsd ad4s1 # Init with a BSD scheme > # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -s 1G ad4s1 # 1GB for / > # gpart add -t freebsd-swap -s 2G ad4s1 # 2GB for swap > # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -s 2G ad4s1 # 2GB for /var > # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -s 1G ad4s1 # 1GB for /tmp > # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs ad4s1 # all rest for /usr > # gpart set -a active -i 1 ad4 > > But the result is not ready for boot after install the kernel and > system; I allways have to go again with the sysinstall(8) tool to set > the 'A' flag; don't know what I'm missing (and the man page is not very > instructive on this); thanks You need to install the bootcode: This will install the interactive one: gpart bootcode -b /mnt2/boot/boot0 ad4 this will install the non-interactive one: gpart bootcode -b /mnt2/boot/mbr ad4 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 5 05:32:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FB231065673 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 05:32:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B11278FC0A for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 05:32:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so3023533vws.13 for ; Sat, 04 Jun 2011 22:32:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=Coe0aRoTq3NLTNTGz2cNXZwPzNYu/bLJWcvF3ILIubU=; b=iHDx95EXDdP5sDLMyabHujRoWBGTsBu0XYYsh0lrFX3JvHc8J5iE+XXmu9tIofvj+b r7BdPKdTHpL6t3FLYjAAalIY1lEGetVD6B7Ge7m3/pABzvMPIw7osrkxZl3IsDgMjRE4 0hFWTXPzN/70zTaqf9/5UmBxCFx+SqVFUvvYo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=kXFWHJbj+AFzKLQ1bT8+rCCLUwDlxGtg//MSzvfP8VXyBG2eHHgz9yYqMsQDHnwDgu NR4vExIWEGTK7jZ3z6JZYO3HpVoLzRpjda0xvmy8FT7eBil4zjfUmzVE6BuCD6jRJM0I c+oX5gJ6xRaNnU4uvP1+a0i+e3U0sOGGjV6Zs= Received: by 10.52.106.196 with SMTP id gw4mr5032606vdb.83.1307251925809; Sat, 04 Jun 2011 22:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skynet.localnet (pool-108-28-47-226.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.28.47.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l18sm688981vby.14.2011.06.04.22.32.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 04 Jun 2011 22:32:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Simmons To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 01:32:03 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.6 (Linux/2.6.38-8-generic; KDE/4.6.3; i686; ; ) References: <4DEAAE54.1050508@locolomo.org> <20110605044021.GA2213@tinyCurrent> <20110605065944.4cab117a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110605065944.4cab117a.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201106050132.04159.rsimmons0@gmail.com> Cc: Subject: Re: Partitioning with gpart or old style slices? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rsimmons0@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 05:32:07 -0000 On Sunday, June 05, 2011 12:59:44 AM Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 5 Jun 2011 06:40:22 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > Since some time I'm as well using gpart(8) to setup new systems with the > > following sequence: > > > > # gpart create -s mbr ad4 # Init the disk with an MBR > > # gpart add -t freebsd ad4 # Create a BSD container > > # gpart create -s bsd ad4s1 # Init with a BSD scheme > > # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -s 1G ad4s1 # 1GB for / > > # gpart add -t freebsd-swap -s 2G ad4s1 # 2GB for swap > > # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -s 2G ad4s1 # 2GB for /var > > # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -s 1G ad4s1 # 1GB for /tmp > > # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs ad4s1 # all rest for /usr > > # gpart set -a active -i 1 ad4 > > Just a side question that may be interesting for addition > in a new Handbook section: > > When you use the "old" method, you can leave out the slicing > step, creating a "dangerously" (haha) dedicated disk for > use with FreeBSD. Would this also work with gpart by omitting > the "gpart create -s bsd ad4s1" step and then refering to > ad4 instead of ad4s1 in the "gpart add -t freebsd-ufs/swap" > steps? Yes, that would be the equivalent, but if you do that, you might as well use GPT. The reason you would want to use MBR is to dual boot with another OS that only understands MBR. If you are using certain newer 64bit versions of Windows, they understand GPT boot, so the whole BSD inside MBR vs. BSD dedicated is becoming moot in my opinion. A good reference if you must dual boot is: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/hardware/gg463525 Also, at the bottom of this page is a list of OSs and GPT support: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table > > But the result is not ready for boot after install the kernel and > > system; I allways have to go again with the sysinstall(8) tool to set > > the 'A' flag; don't know what I'm missing (and the man page is not very > > instructive on this); thanks > > I agree about the manpage; "gpart set -a attrib -i index [-f > flags] geom" is mentioned in the synopsis, but there's no > further mentioning of the -a option and its parameters. > Maybe (haven't tested!) "gpart set -a active -i 1 ad4s1" > is equivalent to setting the "A" flag using sysinstall? After reexamining the man page I think I see where it could be made more clear. The Examples section at the bottom should be changed into sections, one for MBR with BSD inside, one for BSD dedicated, one for GPT, and one for VTOC8. Or at minimum add that you _must_ install bootcode if you wish to boot from the disk. From the confusion above it seems that people think that "gpart create -s GPT ad0" installs the bootcode, which it does not (replace the GPT in my example with MBR, BSD etc). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 5 05:40:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2783B1065672 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 05:40:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pw0-f54.google.com (mail-pw0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD0F8FC15 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 05:40:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pwj8 with SMTP id 8so2012156pwj.13 for ; Sat, 04 Jun 2011 22:40:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=yGNzdBUW5vE+AVTWLChfHm5CGasdPiKodGf++/gk5Lc=; b=dcwjghchuzYE1p27bQYx5v8gI0FS9Zm/oYpmlqw4e/zAogS6DWTxwY9fjM6pGVjCXc qUsUKbHVSV74CqwGPo6U5x+u4TbjItRSe/0huCFl1cgFWbBat1ijOmUjDPprBiCqhVBZ ZTDMK3MioqT1ekFcmV48ZQHDnliWoo9+nr9+Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=w0VfcGNYpsa7P3rcE2ympx9aBY/WqxfhtZRFIRK7YYCFBsEWLjhglqK98y7o1Q6Nak wtN1lbm9i/Pc/frMeJrlKk2pAmlame3jKMsGBRh/0OLuuu85qEG4CnnxBKaKa6slpRfa uGOnY0ZuPa7Kii0IszOYTanY3r33LdB0dmUOE= Received: by 10.68.15.196 with SMTP id z4mr1475129pbc.59.1307252411496; Sat, 04 Jun 2011 22:40:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.46.136 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Jun 2011 22:39:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201106050103.47416.rsimmons0@gmail.com> References: <4DEAAE54.1050508@locolomo.org> <20110605044021.GA2213@tinyCurrent> <201106050103.47416.rsimmons0@gmail.com> From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 08:39:31 +0300 Message-ID: To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=bcaec52156639e79c404a4f06b46 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Partitioning with gpart or old style slices? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 05:40:12 -0000 --bcaec52156639e79c404a4f06b46 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 08:03, Robert Simmons wrote: > On Sunday, June 05, 2011 12:40:22 AM Matthias Apitz wrote: > > Since some time I'm as well using gpart(8) to setup new systems with the > > following sequence: > > > > # gpart create -s mbr ad4 # Init the disk with an MBR > > # gpart add -t freebsd ad4 # Create a BSD container > > # gpart create -s bsd ad4s1 # Init with a BSD scheme > > # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -s 1G ad4s1 # 1GB for / > > # gpart add -t freebsd-swap -s 2G ad4s1 # 2GB for swap > > # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -s 2G ad4s1 # 2GB for /var > > # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -s 1G ad4s1 # 1GB for /tmp > > # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs ad4s1 # all rest for /usr > > # gpart set -a active -i 1 ad4 > > > > But the result is not ready for boot after install the kernel and > > system; I allways have to go again with the sysinstall(8) tool to set > > the 'A' flag; don't know what I'm missing (and the man page is not very > > instructive on this); thanks > > You need to install the bootcode: > > This will install the interactive one: > gpart bootcode -b /mnt2/boot/boot0 ad4 > > this will install the non-interactive one: > gpart bootcode -b /mnt2/boot/mbr ad4 > This is interesting and here is my question: Taking the above example from Matthias, assume that I have done everything including installing the bootcode, then I realize I am not happy with the scheme and I need to change. How do I wipe the whole thing in one go so that I can start afresh? gpart destroy ad4 ?? Why is there no sysinstall-style GUI for gpart? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email. --bcaec52156639e79c404a4f06b46-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 5 05:54:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A613106566C for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 05:54:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 137CF8FC15 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 05:54:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywf7 with SMTP id 7so1820265ywf.13 for ; Sat, 04 Jun 2011 22:54:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=yiCx1anFSR4Pn5oTcBeOtq9+MqK/NSjZ09wd/WwLz/o=; b=C6PMHJvVvPNO2aw55QPhnKP7hCw9bO920m2uAcckcd9Ohp56KPwF1jB2WI2F7A998e S3HR2QXQ4fclyiid4T0jKGX9NjOAGPfDYBjTmcXf92AMqzv1BvjvMZ7PN3VIEebuFVV2 aStD7CuU+i7sA4F8ieVYZAPl3uSoYM5e6Aixg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=iiLYe0cvwrl4dYBBzcrC3l2W2jdm0mjkUgdN4dj/qF3OoyPNtjazqHmkSOZxdUv9CR DTUSTRi/of+lUjQattb/1l+ckBPHaTrWvMHqLr4r+U60JAwIAoarpCf/Q1A6MQl6T6ao UlQ4oB+rnCsq3FhYh2WRJ9lPObyEyw1ft8ZnM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.180.22 with SMTP id h22mr2621589anp.80.1307253264233; Sat, 04 Jun 2011 22:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.227.17 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Jun 2011 22:54:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4DEAAE54.1050508@locolomo.org> <20110605044021.GA2213@tinyCurrent> <201106050103.47416.rsimmons0@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 01:54:24 -0400 Message-ID: From: Robert Simmons To: Odhiambo Washington Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Partitioning with gpart or old style slices? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 05:54:25 -0000 On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 1:39 AM, Odhiambo Washington wr= ote: > On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 08:03, Robert Simmons wrote: >> On Sunday, June 05, 2011 12:40:22 AM Matthias Apitz wrote: >> > Since some time I'm as well using gpart(8) to setup new systems with t= he >> > following sequence: >> > >> > # gpart create -s mbr ad4 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 # Init the d= isk with an MBR >> > # gpart add -t freebsd ad4 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0# Create a B= SD container >> > # gpart create -s bsd ad4s1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 # Init with a = BSD scheme >> > # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs =A0-s 1G ad4s1 =A0 # 1GB for / >> > # gpart add -t freebsd-swap -s 2G ad4s1 =A0 # 2GB for swap >> > # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs =A0-s 2G ad4s1 =A0 # 2GB for /var >> > # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs =A0-s 1G ad4s1 =A0 # 1GB for /tmp >> > # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs ad4s1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0# all rest for /us= r >> > # gpart set -a active -i 1 ad4 >> > >> > But the result is not ready for boot after install the kernel and >> > system; I allways have to go again with the sysinstall(8) tool to set >> > the 'A' flag; don't know what I'm missing (and the man page is not ver= y >> > instructive on this); thanks >> >> You need to install the bootcode: >> >> This will install the interactive one: >> gpart bootcode -b /mnt2/boot/boot0 ad4 >> >> this will install the non-interactive one: >> gpart bootcode -b /mnt2/boot/mbr ad4 >> > > This is interesting and here is my question: > > Taking the above example from Matthias, assume that I have done everythin= g > including installing the bootcode, then I realize I am not happy with the > scheme and I need to change. > How do I wipe the whole thing in one go so that I can start afresh? > > gpart destroy ad4 ?? Yes, but first you must delete all of the slices/partitions. Think of it this way: you must go backwards down the path you just came with a delete for each add, then a destroy for each create. > Why is there no sysinstall-style GUI for gpart? Hopefully, because sysinstall is soon going to be taken out back and shot, and its replacement will be gpart-aware and therefore GPT-aware. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 5 08:06:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC35106564A for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 08:06:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.26.172.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB378FC0C for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 08:06:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id p557ohlv019491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 5 Jun 2011 00:50:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id p557ohMK019490; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 00:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA24814; Sun, 5 Jun 11 00:35:54 PDT Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 00:35:55 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: rsimmons0@gmail.com Message-Id: <4deb31db.HAlrICd12fNR9NoX%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <4DEAAE54.1050508@locolomo.org> <20110605044021.GA2213@tinyCurrent> <201106050103.47416.rsimmons0@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: odhiambo@gmail.com, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Partitioning with gpart or old style slices? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 08:06:30 -0000 Robert Simmons wrote: > > How do I wipe the whole thing in one go so that I can start > > afresh? > > > > gpart destroy ad4 ?? > > Yes, but first you must delete all of the slices/partitions. > Think of it this way: you must go backwards down the path you > just came with a delete for each add, then a destroy for each > create. So there is no way to just say "clean up this whole disk" in a single operation? That seems a considerable step backwards, given that the old tools have "fdisk -i" and "bsdlabel -w". From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 5 08:25:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B386106564A for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 08:25:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 149E28FC0C for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 08:25:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywf7 with SMTP id 7so1843087ywf.13 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 01:25:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BLBHW1GPwf/bMQwXizqRSKKu9PB3gUmKtNLageduwQk=; b=mdqCzTglmPzqUpIEgagV6uy3p2ItiKp7AVaJdsN33y5xHFG9L82mcyaNVjKQIoUqB4 qrybwSRiDNAxxKQpGeSnHyiAo83Oik8oKZRHlIANyjykdoydRNJBw84c07WBPzdee3L6 TqgGmYXHHCtLbjJkraUwrkHJkwe4zzqUwm618= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=bO5c/hbisXpS9KU4NkmpG8MtJc0ME5JB03RF9+S9fm9iGlwqC4y9rfHXPeSqk3BhWa CtjMiEYSE6n5O9BHBYLcTbgPhbBJC5GPp0zNZ9yfp87AZudLPe1weW/aH3vmHEa1FMNF HOyD3802jG9yP30MdPoLzFHFWbF2u1tsyuy3s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.251.14 with SMTP id y14mr2701701anh.102.1307262330028; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 01:25:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.227.17 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 01:25:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4deb31db.HAlrICd12fNR9NoX%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <4DEAAE54.1050508@locolomo.org> <20110605044021.GA2213@tinyCurrent> <201106050103.47416.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <4deb31db.HAlrICd12fNR9NoX%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 04:25:29 -0400 Message-ID: From: Robert Simmons To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: Partitioning with gpart or old style slices? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 08:25:31 -0000 On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 3:35 AM, wrote: > Robert Simmons wrote:> >> > How do I wipe the whole thing in one go so that I can start >> > afresh? >> > >> > gpart destroy ad4 ?? >> >> Yes, but first you must delete all of the slices/partitions. >> Think of it this way: you must go backwards down the path you >> just came with a delete for each add, then a destroy for each >> create. > > So there is no way to just say "clean up this whole disk" in a > single operation? =A0That seems a considerable step backwards, > given that the old tools have "fdisk -i" and "bsdlabel -w". I've never had to use it, but I think "gpart destroy -F ad4" is what you are looking for, so I guess it is not necessary to step backwards after all. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 5 10:06:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 022CD1065672 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 10:06:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA028FC1D for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 10:06:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gamma.wifi.locolomo.org (gamma.wifi.locolomo.org [172.16.1.5]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BE7B81C0841 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 11:48:54 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4DEB5106.8010701@locolomo.org> Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 11:48:54 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Erik_N=F8rgaard?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4DEAAE54.1050508@locolomo.org> <20110605044021.GA2213@tinyCurrent> <201106050103.47416.rsimmons0@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <201106050103.47416.rsimmons0@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Partitioning with gpart or old style slices? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 10:06:24 -0000 On 5/6/11 7:03 AM, Robert Simmons wrote: > On Sunday, June 05, 2011 12:40:22 AM Matthias Apitz wrote: >> # gpart create -s mbr ad4 # Init the disk with an MBR >> # gpart add -t freebsd ad4 # Create a BSD container >> # gpart create -s bsd ad4s1 # Init with a BSD scheme >> # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -s 1G ad4s1 # 1GB for / >> # gpart add -t freebsd-swap -s 2G ad4s1 # 2GB for swap >> # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -s 2G ad4s1 # 2GB for /var >> # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -s 1G ad4s1 # 1GB for /tmp >> # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs ad4s1 # all rest for /usr >> # gpart set -a active -i 1 ad4 > > You need to install the bootcode: > > This will install the interactive one: > gpart bootcode -b /mnt2/boot/boot0 ad4 > > this will install the non-interactive one: > gpart bootcode -b /mnt2/boot/mbr ad4 Thanks Warren, great article, and thanks all for the follow up posts as well. Just one more question, the usual mbr and boot files will boot a gpt partition? I see there are some additional files gptboot and pmbr? Thanks, Erik From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 5 10:31:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68E10106566B for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 10:31:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@g8kbv.demon.co.uk) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CDF58FC18 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 10:31:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.225.105.201] (helo=[192.168.42.12]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtpa (AUTH g8kbv) (Exim 4.69) id 1QTAa3-00035L-lI for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 10:29:15 +0000 From: "Dave" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 11:29:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4DEB5A7B.6149.3922DC9@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <4DEA7ADA.40804@gmail.com> References: <4DE8CF13.1040304@gmail.com>, <4DEA6060.4158.4CD3CCC9@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk>, <4DEA7ADA.40804@gmail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.61) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Subject: [direct] Re: Strange system lockups - kernel saying disk error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 10:31:15 -0000 Hi again. Thanks for the reply. Re the old disk drives. I have several 10 year or older IDE drives here, from 2G to 40G in 24/7 use, and (so far!) they are happy. I also have a few much newer SATA drives that fail to even spin up. Like anything, there is a "Bath Tub" curve re hardware failure rates. Lots of infant mortality in a short period, that we rarely see because they fail at the factory. Then a l o n g time wih low rates of problems, evnetualy slowly rising as things age, until it's truly cheaper to replace than repair. I used to rebuild the old 14 inch drives as part of a past job. One of the few tasks where no one complained of the time you took, as the more care you put in to cleaning out the debris of the last failure, then setting up and calibrating the head positioner etc, there was a measurable improvement in performance (low error rates.) I learnt a lot doing that. I found Gibson's Spinrite almost by accident, before I knew of the Security Now series (OK, Windows biased, but still relevant..) But didn't get a copy 'till a friend's wife's PC "died" saying there was no OS to boot. She ran a small business, and had no backups. (Whats new?) I said I'd take a look but couldn't promise anything. After a few evenings messing arround with one of the linux rescue disks, I realised the hard drive was more or less OK, but some of the data was corrupt, probably part of the boot loader or OS (Win2000 at that time.) I knew from working on the big drives in the past, you could sometimes "tweak" the head position and force it to read data slightly off track, sometimes resulting in a good read, if not all the track, then part of it. Do that enough, and with some manual memory editig tools, we sometimes stiched a small file back together that way, before scrapping the platters and rebuilding the drive. Spinrite does that automaticaly, by moving off track to varying degrees, then seeking back again, and as all drives start to read before the head has fully settled, if you do that timed to the physical disk rotation, and do it enough times, you can with averaging and numerical analasys, plus the drives own ECC, rebuild the data sector by sector. It does work the drives hard though, some laptops you have to run with the drive cover removed and an extra fan to keep the it cool! Anyway, I bought a copy of Spinrite, after much thought, and lots of phone calls asking if I'd fixed it yet. When I tried it on one of my own "good" drives, just to see how it worked. It almost instantly said it found a bad sector on that, much to my surprise, "fixed" it, and yes, that old box then booted noticably faster, as the drive itself didn't need to repeatedly read and correct whatever it was to get a good copy. So I tried it on her laptop. It took a couple of hours, but it reported a cluster of bad sectors early on, but managed to recover all the data, so it said. The rest of the drive looked OK. On taking out the bootable CD, and cycling the power, the machine booted like nothing was ever wrong with it! Just in case, I backed up as much as I could to a CD drive, did some updates and the usual routine tidying etc, and gave it back to them, with the CD, and instructions to perhaps plan on replacing the drive if not the PC sometime (a Toshiba 4600) just in case. Well, I had more free beers for the next two months than I could handle, plus a steady stream of similarly sick PC's etc, and that old laptop is now mine after they did eventualy replace it, and still working 24/7 (dispite other problems, it had Coke spilt into it destroying the battery charge and management systems!) It now run's a software defined radio for beacon monitoring. This in fact... http://g8kbv.homeip.net:8008/60m/ral-at-wbx.html Spinrite has also won me favors with many other people over the last couple of years. So far, there is only one drive it couldn't work with. Oddly, from this machine I'm using now that had no outward issues, but after one update didn't boot, as C: had sudenly ceased to exist! A Maxtor 40G IDE drive. The drive itself fails to initialse and present itself correctly to the BIOS, so all on that is lost. (I did have backups though!) It's not the electronics card, I swaped that with the other known good one (two identical drives were in this machine) same problem. I since learnt though, that most modern hard drives, boot their own firmware from what is effectvely cylinder -1, or off the other end of the list. That is what is corrupt I suspect, but not even Spinrite can get to that to help, so I now have a desktop paperweight.... I can well understand why people are sceptical about it, after all, how can "Software" fix a "Hardware" problem. But once it's seen to work people then just have to have their own copy. I think I'm indirectly responsible for at least 4 extra sales, not that I get any commission, sadly... Just like the Linux based recovery and self contained AV disks, and also Memtest86, I carry a copy of Spinrite arround with me too. I just wish I could come up with something as successful, and able to continue selling over and over... As for changing mobo caps, it's not dificult, but it sure takes a lot of time and care. Cap's in PSU's too go bad (Usually the Low Voltage ones) again, not dificult to change, but take care. There's often considerable High Voltage stored in some places, that can bite you, and it hurts! Lastly, large slow running fans last the longest, and are nice and quiet too. Just regularly blow the "dust bunnies" out of the systems (two or three time a year?) and keep things like the CPU cooler and PSU clean, and your hardware will work for many years just fine. Oh.. CPU coolers. If your system has the ability to monitor the CPU temperature, get to know how that behaves depending on the software you use. If it starts to slowly rise, but the room temperature is not correspondinlgy warmer, also cleaning the dust from the cooler doenst seem to help. It may need the cooler removing, the old heat transfer compound removing and cleaning, and fresh compound using when you refit the cooler. This issues seems worse with the earlier single core P4's, that had a very small contact area to the cooler. At least Intel chips just slow down as they get hotter (cycle skipping) so as not to burn out. Some AMD's will destroy themselves if the cooler fails!... There is a YouTube video somewhere, showing a PC with an Intel CPU with no cooler getting slower and slower till it almost stops. I hope you get things sorted out, one way or another. Life is so much nicer if you don't have to keep messing with the blessed things! I have a sick Land Rover to fix too. Gearbox rear oil seal, also rear drive shaft UJ's. At least I can use big hammers on that sometimes... (Therapy!) Oh, the grass needs cutting, and I'm now also under instruction to change the bed, when the cat's finished sleeping on it!!! Best Regards. Dave B. On 4 Jun 2011 at 21:35, Kaya Saman wrote: Subject: Re: Strange system lockups - kernel saying disk error > > [...] > > > > Hmmm Hard drives do not like heat! Check the PSU voltages with a > meter, for accuracy and ripple. Failing SMPS's can do all sorts > of odd things. > > Capacitor problems. Been there done that. They can be changed > for very low cost, other than your time. > > DaveB > > You might guess by know, I know far more about hardware than I do > about software, but for the latter to run well, the former must be > good. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > Many thanks Dave for all the suggestions!!! > > To be honest I think the drives are fine but the system is just soooo > old including the IDE drives. > > I mean if I get a SATA/IDE USB adapter I should be able to backup the > drives to the new DAS system I will have in place shortly since I am > much more in favor of running Nexenta Core 3 OS with ZFS spanning the > 16x drives meaning a total of 36TB with 2 internal drives used for > logging and caching. > > Then this system will be obsolete. However, I will keep your > suggestion of using spinwrite in mind next time I encounter issues! > > BTW I respect your H/W knowledge that's quite in deep :-) thank you > for your insight. > > with Pipex which is now bust, then I moved out of the UK and now > everything is roasting hot> > > > Best regards, > > > Kaya > > > __________ NOD32 6175 (20110602) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 5 11:36:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 912C9106566C for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 11:36:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from levitch@iglou.com) Received: from rdsmtp.iglou.com (rdsmtp.iglou.com [192.107.41.63]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26CE88FC15 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 11:36:17 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=iglou.com; s=alpha; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Subject:cc:To:From:Date; bh=XWD29axXu/0ZqtWKc6IlNTMsiiMIXkmxsr0IcO0l0HY=; b=mRNrHx9WgwXuhswEPvBUquvtATJjhLjGLkzurxedv8eKJnl46VLhG9aaeIhbQBkTsCRgmwTGrP/czccWFue0FOYYqbAtB/JzauxjIc6lpv5AdQ5RTyttEhxLU0M/FDO9pVV+UfOmOwUCqlsxCY4hQ4IiAKY+GPX75p4oKNvPwTo=; Received: from iglou4.iglou.com ([192.107.41.39]:44384 helo=mail.iglou.com) by rdsmtp.iglou.com with esmtpa (Exim MTA/8.19.3) (envelope-from ) id 1QTBcv-0003VW-Ch by authid with igloumta_auth for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 07:36:17 -0400 Received: from shell1.iglou.com ([192.107.41.17]:42051 helo=shell1) by mail.iglou.com with esmtps (TLS cipher TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim MTA/8.19.3) (envelope-from ) id 1QTBcv-0000o7-1G; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 07:36:17 -0400 Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 07:36:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Darrel X-X-Sender: levitch@shell1 To: krad In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Originating-IP: 192.107.41.17 X-IgLou-Customer: 3cb6f76205bd20f518810676a67a982b Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: solved: failure to create zfs storage pool X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 11:36:18 -0000 > > > well you have 2x disks dont you. Break the mirrors and then you have a free > drive. Setup the pool how you want on this then rsync all your os build over > onto it. Make any zfs root tweaks you want then boot onto the drive. > > If all is good then copy across the partition table from the zfs drive to > the new one (gpart backup/restore) and attach the relevent slice/partition > to pool. Finally put the boot blocks onto the drive, job done no work lost > Seems like I crashed all of it along with the mirrors. This worked, though: - boot from FreeBSD82 digital versatile disk; \ e.g., FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso - select 6 at loader menu load ahci load zfs boot - fixit > dvd gpart destroy -F ad4 gpart destroy -F ad6 gpart create -s gpt ad4 gpart add -s 64K -t freebsd-boot ad4 gpart add -s 5G -t freebsd-swap ad4 gpart add -t freebsd-zfs ad4 gpart bootcode -b /dist/boot/pmbr -p /dist/boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ad4 gpart add -s 64K -t freebsd-boot ad6 gpart add -s 5G -t freebsd-swap ad6 gpart add -t freebsd-zfs ad6 gpart bootcode -b /dist/boot/pmbr -p /dist/boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ad6 gpart show mkdir /boot/zfs zpool create pool0 mirror ad4p3 ad6p3 zpool status -v pool0 zfs set mountpoint=none pool0 zfs create pool0/ROOT zfs create -o mountpount=/mnt pool0/ROOT/freebsd zfs create pool0/ROOT/freebsd/tmp zfs create pool0/ROOT/freebsd/var zfs create pool0/ROOT/freebsd/usr zfs create -o mountpoint=/home pool0/HOME export DESTDIR=/mnt cd /dist/8.2-RELEASE for dir in base catpages dict doc info lib32 manpages; \ do (cd $dir; ./install.sh); done cd kernels ./install.sh GENERIC cd ../src ./install.sh all cd /mnt/boot cp -Rpv GENERIC/* kernel/ vi /mnt/boot/loader.conf !-- ahci_load="YES" zfs_load="YES" vfs.root.mountfrom="zfs:pool0/ROOT/freebsd" vi /mnt/etc/rc.conf !-- zfs_enable="YES" vi /mnt/etc/fstab !-- /dev/ad4p2 none swap sw 0 0 /dev/ad6p2 none swap sw 0 0 cp /boot/zfs/zpool.cache /mnt/boot/zfs/zpool.cache export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/dist/lib cd / zfs umount -a zfs set mountpoint=legacy pool0/ROOT/freebsd zfs set mountpoint=/tmp pool0/ROOT/freebsd/tmp zfs set mountpoint=/usr pool0/ROOT/freebsd/usr zfs set mountpoint=/var pool0/ROOT/freebsd/var zfs set mountpoint=/home pool0/HOME zpool set bootfs=pool0/ROOT/freebsd pool0 exit - remove the dvd exit exit yes Darrel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 5 13:37:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB31F106566B for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 13:37:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BAA98FC16 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 13:37:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p55DbqSE037121; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 07:37:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p55DbqQT037118; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 07:37:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 07:37:52 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Robert Simmons In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <4DEAAE54.1050508@locolomo.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 05 Jun 2011 07:37:52 -0600 (MDT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Partitioning with gpart or old style slices? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 13:37:53 -0000 On Sat, 4 Jun 2011, Robert Simmons wrote: > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:43 PM, Warren Block wrote: >> There's a sample in the second half of my disk setup article: >> >> http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html > > Looks good. I have a few critiques: > > 1) Linux and FreeBSD do not have alignment requirements, as far as I > know. So you may want to include a note about this when you say > "Create partition for /. It should start at the 1M boundary for > alignment on 4K sector drives, or 2048 blocks:" This would only be > necessary for dual-boot with an OS that has alignment requirements > such as windows. This would essentially be the difference between the > two old methods of dedicated and not. The 1M size is compatible with Windows and aligns partitions for better performance on 4K sector drives. Doesn't affect performance on 512-byte sector drives, easier to set up initially than add later, and costs less than 1M of space. Cheap compatibility insurance, I guess I'm saying. > 2) Perhaps add a note about softupdates (-U) for partitions other than > / when you describe the newfs steps. Yikes, yes. > I think your article would be a good place to start for making an > updated section in the handbook. Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 5 20:31:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC9B2106564A for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 20:31:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayasaman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A8E8FC14 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 20:31:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so3310925wyf.13 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 13:31:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=bnurPkJJcUP1fzwrfzSYaxSN1ubDFuHIFjm10m6mFH8=; b=VMYS209EQFOspq5quTPysdA74ujJT1f5Nckbz+4wgLTTOIXz5TXYnwCeQj633hH+Of xztO1VrSZJM6ZzpLfAmyglDNAvOoUiv92KbFl6CQChomxMTTPikcWUeW4VO6V5Vu9QRC mfvYUT/JG9nGXdqvNBC3C/vvxyJIsiFZ0NT/A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=YgYZJ5xR+VVeIulpik2PGV/BvO+9SrcQAFzUZv/JLNtMVujcFWLUMxd2tfvsm1BLP3 +bhcYJpR2J3jk61/vwmIa5ArSP+KtYvI4Gw633IKLpjglmRF2jFPEFdOIRPY7CHX0ewa Qdq/fc57Z+M46QF3gRO9G0Azw0mIiCE7ObHAc= Received: by 10.227.24.146 with SMTP id v18mr4151669wbb.84.1307305893879; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 13:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.16.0.3] ([78.186.130.149]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gb6sm2425041wbb.0.2011.06.05.13.31.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 05 Jun 2011 13:31:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4DEBE7A1.4070508@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 23:31:29 +0300 From: Kaya Saman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: perryh@pluto.rain.com References: <4DE8CF13.1040304@gmail.com> <4de9679b.AE3DPW9jNqVtiL2D%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <4DE9E44E.3080707@gmail.com> <4dead25e.dVwQb8YCMs0X59f/%perryh@pluto.rain.com> In-Reply-To: <4dead25e.dVwQb8YCMs0X59f/%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Strange system lockups - kernel saying disk error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:31:35 -0000 On 06/05/2011 03:48 AM, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > Kaya Saman wrote: > > >>> Did you apply any updates shortly before it started to fail? >>> >> No updates! I did however, install unrar through ports. >> > Intuitively, that seems unlikely to have triggered the problem. > This doesn't sound like an issue to me either as it wouldn't touch the kernel or any modules. > >> I remember on other boards that went on me in the past with >> capacitor issues, a bunch of orange stuff starts leaking out >> of them when they blow up. >> > A leaking capacitor has surely gone bad, but the syndrome I'm > thinking of is more subtle. The top of the can, which should > be flat, bulges upward a little bit. > > Whether replacing bad capacitors qualifies as "quick" depends > on how comfortable you are using a soldering iron. It does > generally require taking the board out of the case, which may > or may not be "quick" or "easy" depending on the case design. > I have a degree in Electronic Engineering :-) - though no soldering iron :-( > >> Also the chassis doesn't have any cooling fans either since it was >> bought extremely cheaply by the family member but not sure that's >> the culprit neither power problems as the system has run in high >> outside ambient temps in the past with no A/C in the room and also >> was working fine on the PSU installed with the 4 disks. >> > Fans that were never there can't have suddenly failed :) > Odd that isn't it :-P > Power supplies do fail occasionally, and not always in obvious > ways such as failing to turn on at all. The output voltages may > be a little too high or too low, or they may be correct but with > excessive ripple or electrical noise; or the supply may be just > fine until a disk draws a current spike to move the arm rapidly. > This needs either a voltmeter or oscilloscope to check out the voltages, fluctuations, and ripple. None of those at home :-( .... > It might be worth checking the fan mounted on the CPU heatsink if > there is one, and the fan in the power supply (which ventilates the > case as well as the power supply itself). > CPU fan works - at least it spins, fan in PSU not checked as I'd need to open it as it's a PS/2 design if not mistaken! But all these tips would be useful for a system that was given more value then mine. If I had actually paid for the system and it been quite advanced it would definitely be worth taking everything into account. Regards, Kaya From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 5 20:45:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A43CC106564A for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 20:45:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayasaman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 219718FC13 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 20:45:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so3316455wyf.13 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 13:45:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=3LIQWbwVSdPpEhKzzPbjKrfx8EzfP45hPOyvUkRe4pg=; b=pQ/g32Y/Z1ma6thhZrvErL2QwwtDlzxCt3PI+NCX9B/VMJz71Bop0wMYJLiRiLH+Qb irBbKKLgYfdbLlHAOscflGyORWDmCqUu9oTcRLuc8Ltz+7lxmzTQhFxAo0UgRvTwdLXx hhQuOcODDARLTOAC0wKq3DeV1/cdfiY8M+SkU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hz+96AXJdbu/sPII+egjz70qU2UkUpH5Wy/IzB7ZEyc+LdG/ui+Iysmpu8IT3JKqgi Ty0+9U3HVJAFQvwnm4agcTucYjqj317B7A6rG5YEVSC84ZrrU2m9rRWGtU2kiMFaGw4L GS55AbHxLu6sVoLfLuNh8zIbFnOfslbexJpxA= Received: by 10.227.143.134 with SMTP id v6mr4135726wbu.55.1307306724662; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 13:45:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.16.0.3] ([78.186.130.149]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fw15sm2428816wbb.27.2011.06.05.13.45.22 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 05 Jun 2011 13:45:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4DEBEADF.1030605@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 23:45:19 +0300 From: Kaya Saman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4DE8CF13.1040304@gmail.com>, <4DEA6060.4158.4CD3CCC9@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk>, <4DEA7ADA.40804@gmail.com> <4DEB5A7B.6149.3922DC9@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4DEB5A7B.6149.3922DC9@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [direct] Re: Strange system lockups - kernel saying disk error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:45:26 -0000 On 06/05/2011 01:29 PM, Dave wrote: > Hi again. > > Thanks for the reply. > > Re the old disk drives. I have several 10 year or older IDE drives here, > from 2G to 40G in 24/7 use, and (so far!) they are happy. I also have a > few much newer SATA drives that fail to even spin up. > > Like anything, there is a "Bath Tub" curve re hardware failure rates. > Lots of infant mortality in a short period, that we rarely see because > they fail at the factory. Then a l o n g time wih low rates of > problems, evnetualy slowly rising as things age, until it's truly cheaper > to replace than repair. > > I used to rebuild the old 14 inch drives as part of a past job. One of > the few tasks where no one complained of the time you took, as the more > care you put in to cleaning out the debris of the last failure, then > setting up and calibrating the head positioner etc, there was a > measurable improvement in performance (low error rates.) I learnt a lot > doing that. > > I found Gibson's Spinrite almost by accident, before I knew of the > Security Now series (OK, Windows biased, but still relevant..) But > didn't get a copy 'till a friend's wife's PC "died" saying there was no > OS to boot. She ran a small business, and had no backups. (Whats new?) > I said I'd take a look but couldn't promise anything. > > After a few evenings messing arround with one of the linux rescue disks, > I realised the hard drive was more or less OK, but some of the data was > corrupt, probably part of the boot loader or OS (Win2000 at that time.) > > I knew from working on the big drives in the past, you could sometimes > "tweak" the head position and force it to read data slightly off track, > sometimes resulting in a good read, if not all the track, then part of > it. Do that enough, and with some manual memory editig tools, we > sometimes stiched a small file back together that way, before scrapping > the platters and rebuilding the drive. > > Spinrite does that automaticaly, by moving off track to varying degrees, > then seeking back again, and as all drives start to read before the head > has fully settled, if you do that timed to the physical disk rotation, > and do it enough times, you can with averaging and numerical analasys, > plus the drives own ECC, rebuild the data sector by sector. > > It does work the drives hard though, some laptops you have to run with > the drive cover removed and an extra fan to keep the it cool! > > Anyway, I bought a copy of Spinrite, after much thought, and lots of > phone calls asking if I'd fixed it yet. When I tried it on one of my > own "good" drives, just to see how it worked. It almost instantly said > it found a bad sector on that, much to my surprise, "fixed" it, and yes, > that old box then booted noticably faster, as the drive itself didn't > need to repeatedly read and correct whatever it was to get a good copy. > So I tried it on her laptop. > > It took a couple of hours, but it reported a cluster of bad sectors early > on, but managed to recover all the data, so it said. The rest of the > drive looked OK. > > On taking out the bootable CD, and cycling the power, the machine booted > like nothing was ever wrong with it! Just in case, I backed up as much > as I could to a CD drive, did some updates and the usual routine tidying > etc, and gave it back to them, with the CD, and instructions to perhaps > plan on replacing the drive if not the PC sometime (a Toshiba 4600) just > in case. > > Well, I had more free beers for the next two months than I could handle, > plus a steady stream of similarly sick PC's etc, and that old laptop is > now mine after they did eventualy replace it, and still working 24/7 > (dispite other problems, it had Coke spilt into it destroying the battery > charge and management systems!) It now run's a software defined radio > for beacon monitoring. This in fact... > http://g8kbv.homeip.net:8008/60m/ral-at-wbx.html > > Spinrite has also won me favors with many other people over the last > couple of years. So far, there is only one drive it couldn't work with. > Oddly, from this machine I'm using now that had no outward issues, but > after one update didn't boot, as C: had sudenly ceased to exist! A > Maxtor 40G IDE drive. > > The drive itself fails to initialse and present itself correctly to the > BIOS, so all on that is lost. (I did have backups though!) > > It's not the electronics card, I swaped that with the other known good > one (two identical drives were in this machine) same problem. I since > learnt though, that most modern hard drives, boot their own firmware from > what is effectvely cylinder -1, or off the other end of the list. That > is what is corrupt I suspect, but not even Spinrite can get to that to > help, so I now have a desktop paperweight.... > > I can well understand why people are sceptical about it, after all, how > can "Software" fix a "Hardware" problem. But once it's seen to work > people then just have to have their own copy. I think I'm indirectly > responsible for at least 4 extra sales, not that I get any commission, > sadly... > > Just like the Linux based recovery and self contained AV disks, and also > Memtest86, I carry a copy of Spinrite arround with me too. > > I just wish I could come up with something as successful, and able to > continue selling over and over... > > As for changing mobo caps, it's not dificult, but it sure takes a lot of > time and care. Cap's in PSU's too go bad (Usually the Low Voltage ones) > again, not dificult to change, but take care. There's often considerable > High Voltage stored in some places, that can bite you, and it hurts! > > Lastly, large slow running fans last the longest, and are nice and quiet > too. Just regularly blow the "dust bunnies" out of the systems (two or > three time a year?) and keep things like the CPU cooler and PSU clean, > and your hardware will work for many years just fine. > > Oh.. CPU coolers. If your system has the ability to monitor the CPU > temperature, get to know how that behaves depending on the software you > use. If it starts to slowly rise, but the room temperature is not > correspondinlgy warmer, also cleaning the dust from the cooler doenst > seem to help. It may need the cooler removing, the old heat transfer > compound removing and cleaning, and fresh compound using when you refit > the cooler. This issues seems worse with the earlier single core P4's, > that had a very small contact area to the cooler. > > At least Intel chips just slow down as they get hotter (cycle skipping) > so as not to burn out. Some AMD's will destroy themselves if the cooler > fails!... There is a YouTube video somewhere, showing a PC with an > Intel CPU with no cooler getting slower and slower till it almost stops. > > I hope you get things sorted out, one way or another. Life is so much > nicer if you don't have to keep messing with the blessed things! > > I have a sick Land Rover to fix too. Gearbox rear oil seal, also rear > drive shaft UJ's. At least I can use big hammers on that sometimes... > (Therapy!) Oh, the grass needs cutting, and I'm now also under > instruction to change the bed, when the cat's finished sleeping on it!!! > > Best Regards. > > Dave B. > > > On 4 Jun 2011 at 21:35, Kaya Saman wrote: > > Subject: Re: Strange system lockups - kernel saying disk error > > >> [...] >> >> >> >> Hmmm Hard drives do not like heat! Check the PSU voltages with a >> meter, for accuracy and ripple. Failing SMPS's can do all sorts >> of odd things. >> >> Capacitor problems. Been there done that. They can be changed >> for very low cost, other than your time. >> >> DaveB >> >> You might guess by know, I know far more about hardware than I do >> about software, but for the latter to run well, the former must be >> good. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> >> Many thanks Dave for all the suggestions!!! >> >> To be honest I think the drives are fine but the system is just soooo >> old including the IDE drives. >> >> I mean if I get a SATA/IDE USB adapter I should be able to backup the >> drives to the new DAS system I will have in place shortly since I am >> much more in favor of running Nexenta Core 3 OS with ZFS spanning the >> 16x drives meaning a total of 36TB with 2 internal drives used for >> logging and caching. >> >> Then this system will be obsolete. However, I will keep your >> suggestion of using spinwrite in mind next time I encounter issues! >> >> BTW I respect your H/W knowledge that's quite in deep :-) thank you >> for your insight. >> >> > with Pipex which is now bust, then I moved out of the UK and now >> everything is roasting hot> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> Kaya >> >> >> __________ NOD32 6175 (20110602) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Thanks Dave for this very graphic and insightful story :-) It was a pleasure to read and a nice display of how experience really does prevail over things!!! I liked the radio chart on the site provided :-) - what exactly is it measuring? Background noise? I think not having a UPS for over a year killed me with the power cutting out almost every weekend for 10 - 20 minutes/night. Now I have UPS, 2x 1500KVA APC systems... nice but need the network and temp monitoring cards. Need plenty of £££ for that! Plus the new server I am intending to build as the DAS box already cost $2000. Regards, Kaya From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 5 20:49:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3712106566B for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 20:49:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3422B8FC13 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 20:48:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QTKFl-00013f-G2 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 22:48:57 +0200 Received: from pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.85.36]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 22:48:57 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 22:48:57 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:55:55 -0400 Lines: 48 Message-ID: References: <4DE8CF13.1040304@gmail.com> <4de9679b.AE3DPW9jNqVtiL2D%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <4DE9E44E.3080707@gmail.com> <4dead25e.dVwQb8YCMs0X59f/%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net Subject: Re: Strange system lockups - kernel saying disk error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:49:00 -0000 perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: [snip] > > Power supplies do fail occasionally, and not always in obvious > ways such as failing to turn on at all. The output voltages may > be a little too high or too low, or they may be correct but with > excessive ripple or electrical noise; or the supply may be just > fine until a disk draws a current spike to move the arm rapidly. I've seen a fair number or power supplies degrade somewhere around the 5 year mark. Simple voltage checks with a VOM and its accuracy will usually still show the voltages as being correct. To see the ripple you'll need an oscilloscope. Excessive ripple can make a PC appear to have all kinds of intermittent hardware failures with little or no rhyme or reason. A degraded power supply will show large variations in ripple based on load. The largest load from hard drives is when they are first spinning up. Servers are commonly configured with the ability to spin up drives one at a time with a short delay in between. You won't usually find this on a desktop. Generally, this situation will develop more often on an old machine that had a 'barely enough' capacity power supply when new. Add 3 more hard drives, bigger video, etc and it was still just inside the envelope until enough time went by and the power supply got old. Since the most amps pulled by the hard drives occurs on power up you will see the ripple on a 'scope look really ugly while this happens. The unseen danger here is that bits on the drive(s) can get scrambled until things settle down. You will know this happens when stuff goes wrong and fsck is needed to get the file system clean, and after cleaning and working again will do the same thing again at some future reboot. Easiest way to look at this without a 'scope is to simply substitute a known good PSU of sufficient rating from a machine with no troubles. If all the random nonsense suddenly stops, you'll know. This is easiest for folks these days as those without an analog electronics background are unlikely to have an oscilloscope laying around. > It might be worth checking the fan mounted on the CPU heatsink if > there is one, and the fan in the power supply (which ventilates the > case as well as the power supply itself). Aside from the fans themselves, dust buildup plugs heat sinks eventually drastically reducing their ability to get rid of heat. When you get to this stage blowing them out with canned air can work wonders. My 2 servers at home sit on the floor and need this about once a year. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 5 21:16:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB1A106564A for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 21:16:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mnavarre@cox.net) Received: from fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (fed1rmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.144]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E691C8FC12 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 21:16:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20110605205414.HJYX17030.fed1rmfepo101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 16:54:14 -0400 Received: from cormac.lan ([174.65.160.249]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id sLu01g0025P91VJ03Lu32t; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:54:03 -0400 X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020A.4DEBECF6.001F,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=oT3NRLj0cCCNKj4i9nkMf6e5GpIIhKgkN3gTd9K8V1w= c=1 sm=1 a=L3cwq_JpbfsA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=7/MhDtcQhEnxk7EXGoiDvQ==:17 a=aR16PxjQAAAA:8 a=1XlpyD-RufOnajBa6CsA:9 a=84f6i3smzfSS1prucjsA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=TRaWWqdqQ4oA:10 a=pjw55bCvNrzNFnCl:21 a=ynhY1KlkKhAbSjst:21 a=7/MhDtcQhEnxk7EXGoiDvQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: Matthew Navarre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 13:53:59 -0700 Message-Id: <7DF8A3D1-254C-4165-9B8A-E5ABA1BD6A34@cox.net> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: Unable to start KDE4 on freebsd 7.4-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 21:16:52 -0000 I updated my FreeBSD box from 6.4 to 7.4 using freebsd-update, got my = installed ports in order and updated and installed/updated kde4-4.6.3 = and all its dependancies. Xorg works ( i can run twm successfully), but = trying to start kde bombs out. It looks like kded is barfing trying to = get a a lock on the shared cache. Everything's up to date as of a = portsnap fetch this morning. Output from startx follows. Hopefully = someone can help, as I'm out of ideas. Thanks, mnavarre. Script started on Sun Jun 5 13:42:25 2011 startx xauth: file /home/mnavarre/.serverauth.59871 does not exist X.Org X Server 1.7.7 Release Date: 2010-05-04 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: FreeBSD 7.4-RC3 i386=20 Current Operating System: FreeBSD reichlieu.lan 7.4-RELEASE FreeBSD = 7.4-RELEASE #0: Thu Feb 17 03:51:56 UTC 2011 = root@walker.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 Build Date: 28 May 2011 10:30:45PM =20 Current version of pixman: 0.21.4 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (=3D=3D) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (=3D=3D) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Sun Jun 5 13:42:25 2011 (=3D=3D) Using default built-in configuration (30 lines) (EE) Failed to load module "fbdev" (module does not exist, 0) expected keysym, got XF86TouchpadToggle: line 123 of inet kbuildsycoca4 running... kbuildsycoca4(59915) KConfigGroup::readXdgListEntry: List entry MimeType = in ".hidden/kommander.desktop" is not compliant with XDG standard = (missing trailing semicolon).=20 startkde: Starting up... Connecting to deprecated signal = QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString) kded(59942)/kdeui (KIconLoader): Unable to find an appropriate lock to = guard the shared cache. This *should* be essentially impossible. :(=20 kded(59942)/kdeui (KIconLoader): Unable to perform initial setup, this = system probably does not really support process-shared pthreads or = semaphores, even though it claims otherwise.=20 QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QObject: Cannot create children for a parent that is in a different = thread. (Parent is KApplication(0xbfbfe35c), parent's thread is = QThread(0x2a322050), current thread is QThread(0x2a322c88) KGlobal::locale() must be called from the main thread before using = i18n() in threads. KApplication takes care of this. If not using = KApplication, call KGlobal::locale() during initialization. kded(59941): Communication problem with "kded" , it probably crashed.=20= Error message was: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown" : " "The = name org.kde.kded was not provided by any .service files" "=20 KCrash: Application 'kded4' crashing... KCrash: Attempting to start /usr/local/kde4/lib/kde4/libexec/drkonqi = from kdeinit sock_file=3D/home/mnavarre/.kde4/socket-reichlieu.lan/kdeinit4__0 kcminit(59944)/kdeui (KIconLoader): Unable to find an appropriate lock = to guard the shared cache. This *should* be essentially impossible. :(=20= kcminit(59944)/kdeui (KIconLoader): Unable to perform initial setup, = this system probably does not really support process-shared pthreads or = semaphores, even though it claims otherwise.=20 QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QObject: Cannot create children for a parent that is in a different = thread. (Parent is KApplication(0xbfbfe42c), parent's thread is = QThread(0x2a322050), current thread is QThread(0x2a322c60) drkonqi(59945)/kdeui (KIconLoader): Unable to find an appropriate lock = to guard the shared cache. This *should* be essentially impossible. :(=20= KGlobal::locale() must be called from the main thread before using = i18n() in threads. KApplication takes care of this. If not using = KApplication, call KGlobal::locale() during initialization. drkonqi(59945)/kdeui (KIconLoader): Unable to perform initial setup, = this system probably does not really support process-shared pthreads or = semaphores, even though it claims otherwise.=20 QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread KCrash: Application 'kcminit_startup' crashing... QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread KCrash: Attempting to start /usr/local/kde4/lib/kde4/libexec/drkonqi = from kdeinit QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 sock_file=3D/home/mnavarre/.kde4/socket-reichlieu.lan/kdeinit4__0 QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread ksmserver(59947)/kdeui (KIconLoader): Unable to find an appropriate lock = to guard the shared cache. This *should* be essentially impossible. :(=20= ksmserver(59947)/kdeui (KIconLoader): Unable to perform initial setup, = this system probably does not really support process-shared pthreads or = semaphores, even though it claims otherwise.=20 QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QObject: Cannot create children for a parent that is in a different = thread. (Parent is KApplication(0x2ad09790), parent's thread is = QThread(0x2ad1a050), current thread is QThread(0x2ad1a578) KGlobal::locale() must be called from the main thread before using = i18n() in threads. KApplication takes care of this. If not using = KApplication, call KGlobal::locale() during initialization. QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread drkonqi(59948)/kdeui (KIconLoader): Unable to find an appropriate lock = to guard the shared cache. This *should* be essentially impossible. :(=20= drkonqi(59948)/kdeui (KIconLoader): Unable to perform initial setup, = this system probably does not really support process-shared pthreads or = semaphores, even though it claims otherwise.=20 QObject: Cannot create children for a parent that is in a different = thread. (Parent is KApplication(0x2a3682d0), parent's thread is = QThread(0x2a322050), current thread is QThread(0x2a322c60) KGlobal::locale() must be called from the main thread before using = i18n() in threads. KApplication takes care of this. If not using = KApplication, call KGlobal::locale() during initialization. QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread KCrash: Application 'ksmserver' crashing... QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 KCrash: Attempting to start /usr/local/kde4/lib/kde4/libexec/drkonqi = from kdeinit QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread sock_file=3D/home/mnavarre/.kde4/socket-reichlieu.lan/kdeinit4__0 QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QObject: Cannot create children for a parent that is in a different = thread. (Parent is KApplication(0x2ad09790), parent's thread is = QThread(0x2ad1a050), current thread is QThread(0x2ad1a578) KGlobal::locale() must be called from the main thread before using = i18n() in threads. KApplication takes care of this. If not using = KApplication, call KGlobal::locale() during initialization. drkonqi(59951)/kdeui (KIconLoader): Unable to find an appropriate lock = to guard the shared cache. This *should* be essentially impossible. :(=20= drkonqi(59951)/kdeui (KIconLoader): Unable to perform initial setup, = this system probably does not really support process-shared pthreads or = semaphores, even though it claims otherwise.=20 QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread QObject: Cannot create children for a parent that is in a different = thread. (Parent is KApplication(0x2ad09790), parent's thread is = QThread(0x2ad1a050), current thread is QThread(0x2ad1a578) KGlobal::locale() must be called from the main thread before using = i18n() in threads. KApplication takes care of this. If not using = KApplication, call KGlobal::locale() during initialization. startkde: Shutting down... klauncher: Exiting on signal 1 kde3: not found kde3: not found startkde: Running shutdown scripts... startkde: Done. waiting for X server to shut down=20 Script done on Sun Jun 5 13:42:36 2011= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 5 22:17:37 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A4C106566C for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 22:17:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 188F38FC0A for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 22:17:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so4418241bwz.13 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 15:17:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=9R9YJZ4SoVfLP+gYCcGH1aO30Mo1ornKTVx1bY+vS0U=; b=D2UkTOsH2Yp6mme/dkoVki+KOlUUMMxsJlNFTC+qMe9kRpMtKfGZyV0AEfn9TiT+Y+ OGEAifOEfz9PxCALFDKJTp7hs5K5e6jnTE/7Upi4IUdIpP5GV1oJ9t8+PQpPGQhhupvn egWNpiKiLcgMk02IMOT0z4YIJfBQY7+De5V1g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PZ/l3BSaXuUJIi1Q6n5F5G8gRw894j++ypJ1gkaqak1Tl00kLwhY680X2/puf3GN1X W40HEbNVbQIyElL8V6RviT/lSY3Fw6XzjrntChOREovhgPMzqmkDGWD7dHhmLy9fDMGL FBV7ssDrd5exW9tUgb5YtnZsYTMf1XhUxYU5E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.3.193 with SMTP id 1mr4296294bko.72.1307312255771; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 15:17:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.83.11 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 15:17:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7DF8A3D1-254C-4165-9B8A-E5ABA1BD6A34@cox.net> References: <7DF8A3D1-254C-4165-9B8A-E5ABA1BD6A34@cox.net> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 17:17:35 -0500 Message-ID: From: Antonio Olivares To: Matthew Navarre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unable to start KDE4 on freebsd 7.4-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 22:17:37 -0000 Mathew, On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Matthew Navarre wrote: > I updated my FreeBSD box from 6.4 to 7.4 using freebsd-update, got my ins= talled ports in order and updated and installed/updated kde4-4.6.3 and all = its dependancies. Xorg works ( i can run twm successfully), but trying to s= tart kde bombs out. It looks like kded is barfing trying to get a =A0a lock= on the shared cache. =A0Everything's up to date as of a portsnap fetch thi= s morning. Output from startx follows. Hopefully someone can help, as I'm o= ut of ideas. > > Thanks, > mnavarre. > > Script started on Sun Jun =A05 13:42:25 2011 > startx > xauth: =A0file /home/mnavarre/.serverauth.59871 does not exist > > > X.Org X Server 1.7.7 > Release Date: 2010-05-04 > X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 > Build Operating System: FreeBSD 7.4-RC3 i386 > Current Operating System: FreeBSD reichlieu.lan 7.4-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.4-R= ELEASE #0: Thu Feb 17 03:51:56 UTC 2011 =A0 =A0 root@walker.cse.buffalo.edu= :/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 > Build Date: 28 May 2011 =A010:30:45PM > > Current version of pixman: 0.21.4 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0to make sure that you have the latest version. > Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (=3D=3D) default setting, > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unkno= wn. > (=3D=3D) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Sun Jun =A05 13:42:25 201= 1 > (=3D=3D) Using default built-in configuration (30 lines) > (EE) Failed to load module "fbdev" (module does not exist, 0) > expected keysym, got XF86TouchpadToggle: line 123 of inet > kbuildsycoca4 running... > kbuildsycoca4(59915) KConfigGroup::readXdgListEntry: List entry MimeType = in ".hidden/kommander.desktop" is not compliant with XDG standard (missing = trailing semicolon). > startkde: Starting up... > Connecting to deprecated signal QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerCha= nged(QString,QString,QString) > kded(59942)/kdeui (KIconLoader): Unable to find an appropriate lock to gu= ard the shared cache. =A0This *should* be essentially impossible. :( > kded(59942)/kdeui (KIconLoader): Unable to perform initial setup, this sy= stem probably does not really support process-shared pthreads or semaphores= , even though it claims otherwise. > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QObject: Cannot create children for a parent that is in a different threa= d. > (Parent is KApplication(0xbfbfe35c), parent's thread is QThread(0x2a32205= 0), current thread is QThread(0x2a322c88) > KGlobal::locale() must be called from the main thread before using i18n()= in threads. KApplication takes care of this. If not using KApplication, ca= ll KGlobal::locale() during initialization. > kded(59941): Communication problem with =A0"kded" , it probably crashed. > Error message was: =A0"org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown" : " "Th= e name org.kde.kded was not provided by any .service files" " > > KCrash: Application 'kded4' crashing... > KCrash: Attempting to start /usr/local/kde4/lib/kde4/libexec/drkonqi from= kdeinit > sock_file=3D/home/mnavarre/.kde4/socket-reichlieu.lan/kdeinit4__0 > kcminit(59944)/kdeui (KIconLoader): Unable to find an appropriate lock to= guard the shared cache. =A0This *should* be essentially impossible. :( > kcminit(59944)/kdeui (KIconLoader): Unable to perform initial setup, this= system probably does not really support process-shared pthreads or semapho= res, even though it claims otherwise. > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QObject: Cannot create children for a parent that is in a different threa= d. > (Parent is KApplication(0xbfbfe42c), parent's thread is QThread(0x2a32205= 0), current thread is QThread(0x2a322c60) > drkonqi(59945)/kdeui (KIconLoader): Unable to find an appropriate lock to= guard the shared cache. =A0This *should* be essentially impossible. :( > KGlobal::locale() must be called from the main thread before using i18n()= in threads. KApplication takes care of this. If not using KApplication, ca= ll KGlobal::locale() during initialization. > drkonqi(59945)/kdeui (KIconLoader): Unable to perform initial setup, this= system probably does not really support process-shared pthreads or semapho= res, even though it claims otherwise. > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > KCrash: Application 'kcminit_startup' crashing... > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > KCrash: Attempting to start /usr/local/kde4/lib/kde4/libexec/drkonqi from= kdeinit > QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 > sock_file=3D/home/mnavarre/.kde4/socket-reichlieu.lan/kdeinit4__0 > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > ksmserver(59947)/kdeui (KIconLoader): Unable to find an appropriate lock = to guard the shared cache. =A0This *should* be essentially impossible. :( > ksmserver(59947)/kdeui (KIconLoader): Unable to perform initial setup, th= is system probably does not really support process-shared pthreads or semap= hores, even though it claims otherwise. > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QObject: Cannot create children for a parent that is in a different threa= d. > (Parent is KApplication(0x2ad09790), parent's thread is QThread(0x2ad1a05= 0), current thread is QThread(0x2ad1a578) > KGlobal::locale() must be called from the main thread before using i18n()= in threads. KApplication takes care of this. If not using KApplication, ca= ll KGlobal::locale() during initialization. > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > drkonqi(59948)/kdeui (KIconLoader): Unable to find an appropriate lock to= guard the shared cache. =A0This *should* be essentially impossible. :( > drkonqi(59948)/kdeui (KIconLoader): Unable to perform initial setup, this= system probably does not really support process-shared pthreads or semapho= res, even though it claims otherwise. > QObject: Cannot create children for a parent that is in a different threa= d. > (Parent is KApplication(0x2a3682d0), parent's thread is QThread(0x2a32205= 0), current thread is QThread(0x2a322c60) > KGlobal::locale() must be called from the main thread before using i18n()= in threads. KApplication takes care of this. If not using KApplication, ca= ll KGlobal::locale() during initialization. > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > KCrash: Application 'ksmserver' crashing... > QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 > KCrash: Attempting to start /usr/local/kde4/lib/kde4/libexec/drkonqi from= kdeinit > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > sock_file=3D/home/mnavarre/.kde4/socket-reichlieu.lan/kdeinit4__0 > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QObject: Cannot create children for a parent that is in a different threa= d. > (Parent is KApplication(0x2ad09790), parent's thread is QThread(0x2ad1a05= 0), current thread is QThread(0x2ad1a578) > KGlobal::locale() must be called from the main thread before using i18n()= in threads. KApplication takes care of this. If not using KApplication, ca= ll KGlobal::locale() during initialization. > drkonqi(59951)/kdeui (KIconLoader): Unable to find an appropriate lock to= guard the shared cache. =A0This *should* be essentially impossible. :( > drkonqi(59951)/kdeui (KIconLoader): Unable to perform initial setup, this= system probably does not really support process-shared pthreads or semapho= res, even though it claims otherwise. > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine =3D=3D 0, type: 2 > QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread > QObject: Cannot create children for a parent that is in a different threa= d. > (Parent is KApplication(0x2ad09790), parent's thread is QThread(0x2ad1a05= 0), current thread is QThread(0x2ad1a578) > KGlobal::locale() must be called from the main thread before using i18n()= in threads. KApplication takes care of this. If not using KApplication, ca= ll KGlobal::locale() during initialization. > startkde: Shutting down... > klauncher: Exiting on signal 1 > kde3: not found > kde3: not found > startkde: Running shutdown scripts... > startkde: Done. > > waiting for X server to shut down > > > Script done on Sun Jun =A05 13:42:36 2011________________________________= _______________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > I can see that startx might be looking for kde 3, the line : kde3: not found kde3: not found and you have kde 4.6.3 latest and greatest. Question: Do you have exec startkde in ~/.xinitrc or exec /usr/local/kde4/bin/startkde in ~/.xinitrc Because the first one is for kde 3 while the next one(above) is for kde 4. If you try to create another user and the user is able to login, then it might be a problem with the old settings? Regards, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 5 23:07:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D3B7106564A for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 23:07:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mnavarre@cox.net) Received: from fed1rmfepo202.cox.net (fed1rmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCCD28FC12 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 23:07:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20110605230713.KLHP21362.fed1rmfepo202.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 19:07:13 -0400 Received: from cormac.lan ([174.65.160.249]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id sP7D1g0015P91VJ03P7D4q; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 19:07:13 -0400 X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020209.4DEC0C21.005D,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=oT3NRLj0cCCNKj4i9nkMf6e5GpIIhKgkN3gTd9K8V1w= c=1 sm=1 a=XF8EqVq1i-QA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=7/MhDtcQhEnxk7EXGoiDvQ==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=aR16PxjQAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=33JPIVFkPjZwr98ex08A:9 a=Nh5rYDiCSWQD6nEvP0AA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CiSHi91Bn78A:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=7/MhDtcQhEnxk7EXGoiDvQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Matthew Navarre In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 16:07:12 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <7DF8A3D1-254C-4165-9B8A-E5ABA1BD6A34@cox.net> To: Antonio Olivares X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unable to start KDE4 on freebsd 7.4-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 23:07:14 -0000 On Jun 5, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote: > Mathew, >=20 > On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Matthew Navarre = wrote: >> I updated my FreeBSD box from 6.4 to 7.4 using freebsd-update, got my = installed ports in order and updated and installed/updated kde4-4.6.3 = and all its dependancies. Xorg works ( i can run twm successfully), but = trying to start kde bombs out. It looks like kded is barfing trying to = get a a lock on the shared cache. Everything's up to date as of a = portsnap fetch this morning. Output from startx follows. Hopefully = someone can help, as I'm out of ideas. >>=20 >> Thanks, >> mnavarre. >>=20 >> Script started on Sun Jun 5 13:42:25 2011 >> startx >> xauth: file /home/mnavarre/.serverauth.59871 does not exist >>=20 >>=20 >> X.Org X Server 1.7.7 >> Release Date: 2010-05-04 >> X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 >> Build Operating System: FreeBSD 7.4-RC3 i386 >> Current Operating System: FreeBSD reichlieu.lan 7.4-RELEASE FreeBSD = 7.4-RELEASE #0: Thu Feb 17 03:51:56 UTC 2011 = root@walker.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 >> Build Date: 28 May 2011 10:30:45PM >>=20 >> Current version of pixman: 0.21.4 >> Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org >> to make sure that you have the latest version. >> Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (=3D=3D) default = setting, >> (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, >> (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. >> (=3D=3D) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Sun Jun 5 13:42:25 = 2011 >> (=3D=3D) Using default built-in configuration (30 lines) >> (EE) Failed to load module "fbdev" (module does not exist, 0) >> expected keysym, got XF86TouchpadToggle: line 123 of inet >> kbuildsycoca4 running... >> kbuildsycoca4(59915) KConfigGroup::readXdgListEntry: List entry = MimeType in ".hidden/kommander.desktop" is not compliant with XDG = standard (missing trailing semicolon). >> startkde: Starting up... >> Connecting to deprecated signal = QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString) >> kded(59942)/kdeui (KIconLoader): Unable to find an appropriate lock = to guard the shared cache. This *should* be essentially impossible. :( >> kded(59942)/kdeui (KIconLoader): Unable to perform initial setup, = this system probably does not really support process-shared pthreads or = semaphores, even though it claims otherwise. >>=20 >> startkde: Shutting down... >> klauncher: Exiting on signal 1 >> kde3: not found >> kde3: not found >> startkde: Running shutdown scripts... >> startkde: Done. >>=20 >> waiting for X server to shut down >>=20 >>=20 >> Script done on Sun Jun 5 13:42:36 = 2011_______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>=20 >=20 > I can see that startx might be looking for kde 3, the line : >=20 > kde3: not found > kde3: not found >=20 I was wondering about that myself, but KDE has never been installed on = this machine until now. I thought I'd gotten all the old KDE cruft rm'ed = from $HOME > and you have kde 4.6.3 latest and greatest. >=20 > Question: > Do you have > exec startkde in ~/.xinitrc >=20 > or >=20 > exec /usr/local/kde4/bin/startkde in ~/.xinitrc The kde4 line is in ~/.xinitrc >=20 > Because the first one is for kde 3 while the next one(above) is for > kde 4. If you try to create another user and the user is able to > login, then it might be a problem with the old settings? >=20 I created a new user with an empty $HOME, added the startkde line to = .xinitrc and had the same problem. I did notice that drkonqi is crashing = and writing out a .core file, so I'll see if gdb can tell me anything. Thanks, mnavarre > Regards, >=20 > Antonio > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 5 23:23:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 534F1106566B for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 23:23:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD2268FC0A for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 23:23:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so4446762bwz.13 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:23:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=2m0QSMCBj9jhqt4KZQCsGuou2pweczN1zUqAB38VsHA=; b=Q9v5yucyVY6jopHjtHwICGUT9fhCUy/KO5b3iM1kUyo8/LHv7/2MkgZeo82so2t3Er oTErt5vm8UTducnJrfK50Hhb9X8tkTGoeojAuIIbRa0rnf3Gk1WPWIP4y+t017TzVQC5 f9jH2TTYPWPg1Qvs7WUFX5PjNhiRKC4qo2GOs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=NyRL6QUltIXEmUNXIL64ve5oc5xHQEWxhUkMd7mHttUEtiOcc69bowdyCjXO7jb+MZ 34Gr1OTXGd/ImW278Jg7fHu3vMzG+DrYUfQIbq76FNchNyLURUiy3BtHXXTcVIZeE0yj q/cijUiPVRJZ357mPSoN9SKr4GYNspBZ0iKZw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.25.66 with SMTP id y2mr4330449bkb.153.1307316187501; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:23:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.83.11 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 16:23:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7DF8A3D1-254C-4165-9B8A-E5ABA1BD6A34@cox.net> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 18:23:07 -0500 Message-ID: From: Antonio Olivares To: Matthew Navarre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unable to start KDE4 on freebsd 7.4-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 23:23:09 -0000 > I created a new user with an empty $HOME, =A0added the startkde line to .= xinitrc and had the same problem. I did notice that drkonqi is crashing and= writing out a .core file, so I'll see if gdb can tell me anything. > Thanks, > mnavarre Read about something called kchildlock : kchildlock on an archlinux page: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=3D940823 one solution is to remove kchildlock. problem now becomes how does one do = this? Regards, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 6 11:06:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88001106564A for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2011 11:06:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ndhertbsd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C4E28FC0C for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2011 11:05:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so4597714iwn.13 for ; Mon, 06 Jun 2011 04:05:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=sLuogD0XZcZcXD3FBp7Mr3RS0A+GrlXY1E/4PY1NWLs=; b=bqNNvvnhyNNpqZUEPDe3Aq+TRZ4lJW1a5NNPd1nqiLi17uIF2N61Z7OPYLrKQW/aX9 iChCjguLGtyFA7012GiLqZdmj7XlMjajAYvzV1//WUwZsb87106uUu7Te4iXyMXp1Yzk JyySyUgnXRXqGgrhmmej9GceTDJMxDl76pPZ8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Y8d9Xy7kA8nkBu2xK/jE8fsKtn5s7BF0OMx9poQNq3m1KNvpSz8xQDVdEJjYvymzMj TQyWd31KVtUgkAHV6oMpSHooFA+rHD4wRfKMkkFpsyRIirMNLPKXaLJ4LTZj3eJzRJTZ vf3tjgDkU/r8L6N9jvYV/5uSjKdmDzqhfN5Hg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.179.143 with SMTP id bq15mr7828623ibb.99.1307358359574; Mon, 06 Jun 2011 04:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.207.66 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Jun 2011 04:05:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20110531012301.GA5085@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <001901cc1f38$4dfe8fe0$e9fbafa0$@on.ca> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 13:05:59 +0200 Message-ID: From: n dhert To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: cmpsfont-1.0_7 checksum mismatch X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 11:06:00 -0000 I tried # cd /usr/ports/print/cmpsfont # make fetch # make makesum which created a different /usr/ports/print/cmpsfont/distinfo file (different SHA256 value) but I get: ---> Upgrading 'cmpsfont-1.0_6' to 'cmpsfont-1.0_7' (print/cmpsfont) ---> Building '/usr/ports/print/cmpsfont' ===> Cleaning for cmpsfont-1.0_7 ===> Vulnerability check disabled, database not found ===> License check disabled, port has not defined LICENSE ===> Extracting for cmpsfont-1.0_7 => SHA256 Checksum OK for cmps-unix.tar.gz. gzip: /usr/ports/distfiles//cmps-unix.tar.gz: trailing garbage ignored This worries me ... ===> Patching for cmpsfont-1.0_7 ===> cmpsfont-1.0_7 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/type1inst - found ===> Configuring for cmpsfont-1.0_7 ===> Building for cmpsfont-1.0_7 /usr/bin/touch /usr/ports/print/cmpsfont/work/cmpsfont/pfb/fonts.dir (cd /usr/ports/print/cmpsfont/work/cmpsfont/pfb; /usr/local/bin/type1inst -nolog -quiet) ---> Backing up the old version ---> Uninstalling the old version ---> Deinstalling 'cmpsfont-1.0_6' pkg_delete: package 'cmpsfont-1.0_6' is required by these other packages and may not be deinstalled (but I'll delete it anyway): dvipsk-tetex-5.95a_5 teTeX-base-3.0_21 teTeX-texmf-3.0_6 [Updating the pkgdb in /var/db/pkg ... - 421 packages found ( -1 +0) (...) done] ---> Installing the new version via the port ===> Installing for cmpsfont-1.0_7 ===> Generating temporary packing list ===> Checking if print/cmpsfont already installed /bin/mkdir -p /usr/local/share/fonts/cmpsfont/afm install -o root -g wheel -m 444 /usr/ports/print/cmpsfont/work/cmpsfont/afm/* / usr/local/share/fonts/cmpsfont/afm /bin/mkdir -p /usr/local/share/fonts/cmpsfont/type1 install -o root -g wheel -m 444 /usr/ports/print/cmpsfont/work/cmpsfont/pfb/* / usr/local/share/fonts/cmpsfont/type1 install -o root -g wheel -m 444 /usr/ports/print/cmpsfont/work/cmpsfont/READ.M E /usr/ports/print/cmpsfont/work/cmpsfont/cmsample.tex /usr/local/share/fonts/c mpsfont/ install: /usr/ports/print/cmpsfont/work/cmpsfont/READ.ME: No such file or direct ory *** Error code 71 Stop in /usr/ports/print/cmpsfont. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/print/cmpsfont. ** Command failed [exit code 1]: /usr/bin/script -qa /tmp/portupgrade20110606-31 922-924kw4-0 env UPGRADE_TOOL=portupgrade UPGRADE_PORT=cmpsfont-1.0_6 UPGRADE_PO RT_VER=1.0_6 make DEPENDS_TARGET=package reinstall ---> Restoring the old version ** Fix the installation problem and try again. Whats wrong here and how to fix ? 2011/5/31 Matt Emmerton > On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 08:48:18AM +0200, n dhert wrote: > > > > There seems to be an error with the recently (5 days ago) distributed > > new > > 1.0_7 version of cmpsfont: > > > > ---> Upgrading 'cmpsfont-1.0_6' to 'cmpsfont-1.0_7' (print/cmpsfont) > > ---> Build of print/cmpsfont started at: Mon, 30 May 2011 08:29:15 > > ---> +0200 Building '/usr/ports/print/cmpsfont' > > ===> Cleaning for cmpsfont-1.0_7 > > ===> Vulnerability check disabled, database not found ===> License > > check disabled, port has not defined LICENSE ===> Extracting for > > cmpsfont-1.0_7 => SHA256 Checksum mismatch for cmps-unix.tar.gz. > > ===> Refetch for 1 more times files: cmps-unix.tar.gz ===> > > Vulnerability check disabled, database not found ===> License check > > disabled, port has not defined LICENSE => cmps-unix.tar.gz doesn't > > seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/. > > => Attempting to fetch > > http://ftp.ctex.org/pub/tex/fonts/type1/cmps-unix.tar.gz > > ===> Vulnerability check disabled, database not found ===> License > > check disabled, port has not defined LICENSE => SHA256 Checksum > > mismatch for cmps-unix.tar.gz. > > ===> Giving up on fetching files: cmps-unix.tar.gz > > > > How to deal with it? > > Or wait for a better version? > > send-pr(1) or drop the maintainer an email (he's probably forgotten to > update the distinfo). > > If you must have the port *now* you can edit the port with the new checksum > calculated using sha256(1). > (Edit /usr/ports/print/cmpsfont/distinfo) > > ---------- > > Or this: > > cd /usr/ports/print/cmpsfont > make fetch > make makesum > > -- > Matt Emmerton > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 6 12:15:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CCFC106566C for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2011 12:15:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pieter@degoeje.nl) Received: from mx.utwente.nl (mx2.utsp.utwente.nl [130.89.2.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5EF28FC17 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2011 12:15:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pieter-dev.localnet (lux.student.utwente.nl [130.89.161.112]) by mx.utwente.nl (8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id p56BliP4029837; Mon, 6 Jun 2011 13:47:44 +0200 From: Pieter de Goeje To: Andrea Venturoli Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 13:47:44 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.38-2-amd64; KDE/4.4.5; x86_64; ; ) References: <4DE77F01.1050900@netfence.it> <20110602155452.00006775@unknown> In-Reply-To: <20110602155452.00006775@unknown> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201106061347.44370.pieter@degoeje.nl> X-UTwente-MailScanner-Information: Scanned by MailScanner. Contact icts.servicedesk@utwente.nl for more information. X-UTwente-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-UTwente-MailScanner-From: pieter@degoeje.nl X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Bruce Cran , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Critical issues with WD green drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 12:15:19 -0000 On Thursday 02 June 2011 16:54:52 Bruce Cran wrote: > On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:16:01 +0200 > > Andrea Venturoli wrote: > > In a server of mine (7.3p4/i386) I replaced a 1TB Hitachi SATA drive > > (which worked perfectly), with two brand new Western Digital 2TB > > disks. Now I'm having critical problems, ranging from the disks > > getting stuck, to the box rebooting. > > Those are not the main disks in the box, so they are currently > > unmounted; I wasn't even able to run newfs on them, since every > > process that tries to use these disk will hang after a while (and > > can't be killed either). > > I'd guess this is probably due to their overly-aggressive power > management. If you can, run wdidle3.exe from a Windows environment to > turn off the default idle timer. This is very important, because I've had 2 drives die (most likely) because they had over 220K load cycles. One was less than a year old. You don't mention the exact models but there's a good chance these are the "Advanced Format" drives, in other words 4K sectors. If your filesystem(s) or partition(s) are not properly aligned that also severely hampers performance to the point it looks like a hang. All in all I wouldn't recommend these drives for use in a server. The WD's Blue and Black series are OK though. Your machine shouldn't reboot however, that points to another problem. - Pieter From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 6 16:27:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C1EC106566B for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2011 16:27:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@g8kbv.demon.co.uk) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01CB08FC13 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2011 16:27:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.225.105.201] (helo=[192.168.42.12]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtpa (AUTH g8kbv) (Exim 4.69) id 1QTce8-0006Kk-bj for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 06 Jun 2011 16:27:20 +0000 From: "Dave" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 17:27:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4DECFFE8.6627.A0067AF@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <4DE8CF13.1040304@gmail.com>, X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.61) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Subject: Re: Strange system lockups - kernel saying disk error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 16:27:22 -0000 On 5 Jun 2011 at 16:55, Michael Powell wrote: > perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > [snip] > > > > Power supplies do fail occasionally, and not always in obvious > > ways such as failing to turn on at all. The output voltages may be > > a little too high or too low, or they may be correct but with > > excessive ripple or electrical noise; or the supply may be just fine > > until a disk draws a current spike to move the arm rapidly. > > I've seen a fair number or power supplies degrade somewhere around the > 5 year mark. Simple voltage checks with a VOM and its accuracy will > usually still show the voltages as being correct. To see the ripple > you'll need an oscilloscope. Excessive ripple can make a PC appear to > have all kinds of intermittent hardware failures with little or no > rhyme or reason. A degraded power supply will show large variations in > ripple based on load. The largest load from hard drives is when they > are first spinning up. Servers are commonly configured with the > ability to spin up drives one at a time with a short delay in between. > You won't usually find this on a desktop. > > Generally, this situation will develop more often on an old machine > that had a 'barely enough' capacity power supply when new. Add 3 more > hard drives, bigger video, etc and it was still just inside the > envelope until enough time went by and the power supply got old. Since > the most amps pulled by the hard drives occurs on power up you will > see the ripple on a 'scope look really ugly while this happens. The > unseen danger here is that bits on the drive(s) can get scrambled > until things settle down. You will know this happens when stuff goes > wrong and fsck is needed to get the file system clean, and after > cleaning and working again will do the same thing again at some future > reboot. > > Easiest way to look at this without a 'scope is to simply substitute a > known good PSU of sufficient rating from a machine with no troubles. > If all the random nonsense suddenly stops, you'll know. This is > easiest for folks these days as those without an analog electronics > background are unlikely to have an oscilloscope laying around. > > > It might be worth checking the fan mounted on the CPU heatsink if > > there is one, and the fan in the power supply (which ventilates the > > case as well as the power supply itself). > > Aside from the fans themselves, dust buildup plugs heat sinks > eventually drastically reducing their ability to get rid of heat. When > you get to this stage blowing them out with canned air can work > wonders. My 2 servers at home sit on the floor and need this about > once a year. > > -Mike > Hi.. I've recently replaced all the 3.3V decoupling caps on a 7 year old Compaq mobo, that was showing all sorts of odd behaviour, more (at first glance) related to the video card. It wasn't expensive, but was time consuming even for me as a skilled electronics tech, with more years of soldering iron time than I care to admit, it took me a good couple of hours! These things aren't made to be easily repaired, but it can be done. In fact, for some common mobo's you can buy complete re-cap kits with all the right parts. Same for all sorts of other consumer electronics. (DVD players, Games consoles, DTV and other set-top boxes etc.) As a result, that box now runs sweet as a nut. Passing all diags with flying colours, even when hot. Any caps that have a bulging top, on the mobo or in the PSU, need changing. Idealy for the same value and voltage. But you can go higher (within reason) in value, but don't go too high in voltage rating, as they can deteriorate if they don't have enough volts, and start to fail early again. Re the PSU thing. Don't get fooled into the common lore that bigger is better. You can have too big a PSU that will fail to regulate the auxilary output lines correctly until you add extra load to it's main output. Many PC supplies (sadly not all) do have a note to that effect on the ratings label. For most Switch Mode supplies, they work best loaded to between half and full power on their main output. Much less than 1/4 of their capability, and the auxilary outputs will start to "wander about" a bit, especially if the incoming line is a bit high in voltage. Common symptoms are strange audiable noises from CD drives, or hard drives that struggle to start up, but are OK once working. Yes, also keeping things clean and cool is a good move too. Hope that helps someone. Cheers. Dave B. PS: I don't suppose anyone knows a real good simple blow by blow total newby dialog, as to how to realiably and correctly create and setup Jails on FreeBSD 8.0? All the man pages I've found so far, are way over my head. Good "Reference" material admittedly, but no good as an instructional if you dont already know "How To"... I don't understand ezjail either... Something to do with the faded grey cell and too many years etc... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 6 17:06:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F163106564A for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2011 17:06:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayasaman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C96638FC13 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2011 17:06:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so3829670fxm.13 for ; Mon, 06 Jun 2011 10:06:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=eGHlqNwaF+0q+tDlC5x+3qHmR1yLfmAjPrJTRCovfA8=; b=BMUxrZUru3VgASe6eAgq+tKxsP7+29fhdYmPeqDY37d/UU8md3PLfZugvY6LESklDT M3c05I5gch/xF558NquRiqolCCm3LTkjOiI0Z+7uW/lhqr5fmjQD3r3lMj3sCZUwNJzd 6EOxAW6RFsR1vE2TLsZwSh7Rg5JsumkEH8l+g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=fplzR23/DmDEOkNzdTAJuGub9fRmDfRxCmsXRsBVJMbrdkujzsiu1tPzHCaGPGkxuR nnYwnzpj5/GERVjP53epNSUCGmK0YNHT9JGahwvYQbzImq1St5nf8dzUfXhVPX8TecUD v8oRhQDlbmx/rE5DVU4HwmrIg6QUK6TIg0Mlw= Received: by 10.223.25.201 with SMTP id a9mr1413867fac.141.1307379942481; Mon, 06 Jun 2011 10:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.16.0.3] ([78.186.130.149]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h1sm1451383fag.11.2011.06.06.10.05.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 06 Jun 2011 10:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4DED08DF.6020901@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 20:05:35 +0300 From: Kaya Saman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave References: <4DE8CF13.1040304@gmail.com>, <4DECFFE8.6627.A0067AF@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4DECFFE8.6627.A0067AF@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Strange system lockups - kernel saying disk error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 17:06:16 -0000 [...] > PS: I don't suppose anyone knows a real good simple blow by blow total > newby dialog, as to how to realiably and correctly create and setup Jails > on FreeBSD 8.0? All the man pages I've found so far, are way over my > head. Good "Reference" material admittedly, but no good as an > instructional if you dont already know "How To"... I don't understand > ezjail either... Something to do with the faded grey cell and too many > years etc... > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > http://wiki.optiplex-networks.com/xwiki/bin/view/FreeBSD/Jails Still a work in progress and running from a VM in a laptop on an ADSL line but it does the job :-) Regards, Kaya From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 6 18:52:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17C7F1065675 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2011 18:52:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout030.mac.com (asmtpout030.mac.com [17.148.16.105]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C178FC14 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2011 18:52:50 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp030.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LMD003OBTRAVF90@asmtp030.mac.com> for questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 06 Jun 2011 11:52:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-06-06_06:2011-06-06, 2011-06-06, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1106060148 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 11:52:22 -0700 Message-id: <61FDA0A1-96B9-4DCA-970E-CB0EB6A484F4@mac.com> References: To: Warren Block , Adam Vande More X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: FreeBSD Questions List Subject: Re: I486_CPU or I586_CPU in kernel config X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 18:52:51 -0000 On May 30, 2011, at 4:53 PM, Warren Block wrote: > On Mon, 30 May 2011, Adam Vande More wrote: >> Perhaps this is the one you meant? >> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2009-January/190568.html > > That's the one! Thanks! > >> Actually the two threads touch on the same subject, and it seems removal of those options is still desirable on newer CPU's. > > sys/i386/i386/support.s is mentioned, but doesn't seem to have anything explicitly specific for 586. There are some i686 entries. It depends on which version of FreeBSD we're talking about. At the time of my post, FreeBSD 7.0 had just come out and FreeBSD 6.3/6.4 were widely used. If you check CVSweb or SVN: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/i386/i386/support.s svn://svn.freebsd.org/base/stable/7/sys/i386/i386/support.s ...you'll see a half-dozen entries which are conditionalized against I586_CPU: % grep -A 1 I586_CPU support.s #if defined(I586_CPU) && defined(DEV_NPX) kernel_fpu_lock: -- #if defined(I586_CPU) && defined(DEV_NPX) ENTRY(i586_bzero) -- #endif /* I586_CPU && defined(DEV_NPX) */ -- #if defined(I586_CPU) && defined(DEV_NPX) ENTRY(i586_bcopy) -- #endif /* I586_CPU && defined(DEV_NPX) */ -- #if defined(I586_CPU) && defined(DEV_NPX) ALIGN_TEXT -- #if defined(I586_CPU) && defined(DEV_NPX) ENTRY(i586_copyout) -- #endif /* I586_CPU && defined(DEV_NPX) */ -- #if defined(I586_CPU) && defined(DEV_NPX) ALIGN_TEXT -- #if defined(I586_CPU) && defined(DEV_NPX) ALIGN_TEXT -- #if defined(I586_CPU) && defined(DEV_NPX) ENTRY(i586_copyin) -- #endif /* I586_CPU && defined(DEV_NPX) */ #if defined(I586_CPU) && defined(DEV_NPX) /* fastmove(src, dst, len) -- #endif /* I586_CPU && defined(DEV_NPX) */ It appears that this file was significantly re-written under FreeBSD-8. Anyway, actually comparing and gathering some data is the most useful result, and I'm happy to see the numbers from Warren's test. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 6 20:56:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 652971065690 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2011 20:56:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@midsummerdream.org) Received: from p3plsmtpa01-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa01-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [72.167.82.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C2818FC14 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2011 20:56:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 6271 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2011 20:56:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (70.131.50.248) by p3plsmtpa01-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (72.167.82.81) with ESMTP; 06 Jun 2011 20:56:54 -0000 Message-ID: <4DED3F15.5060500@midsummerdream.org> Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 15:56:53 -0500 From: Rob User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Virtualbox on 8.2 64-bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lists@midsummerdream.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 20:56:55 -0000 I was attempting to install virtualbox on my 8.2-p2 64-bit system this weekend, and hit a rather curious situation. The pre-packaged version of virtualbox retrievable by pkg_add is 3.2.12 (which looks in ports/amd64/packages-8.2-release). Poking around on the ftp server, I see that packages-8.1-release also has a 3.x version, but packages-8-stable has the latest 4.0.8. I went to look in ports, which contains 4.0.8, and build it myself but I got an error saying I need to have the 32-bit libraries installed in order to build virtualbox. So, my question is 2-fold: 1) What is the reason the 64-bit pre-packaged version of virtualbox is still at the 3.x version? Would there be a problem with installing the packages (virtualbox and kernel module) from packages-8-stable? 2) How do I build virtualbox 4.0.8 on a 64-bit system w/o the 32-bit libs. Is that possible? Searching around has produced old e-mail threads indicating this was a problem as of 2 or so years ago with the 3.x release. If it's not possible to build w/o the 32-bit libs, what do I need to install? 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References 1. mailto:ashley.mccoy@aol.com 2. http://www.fbook-singles.com/ 3. http://free.aol.com/thenewaol/index.adp From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 7 01:14:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4941106564A for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 01:14:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-yi0-f54.google.com (mail-yi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65FB38FC16 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 01:14:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yie13 with SMTP id 13so709682yie.13 for ; Mon, 06 Jun 2011 18:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.99.18 with SMTP id w18mr4837311ybb.252.1307409278550; Mon, 06 Jun 2011 18:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from papi.localnet ([177.17.59.224]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o47sm3637738yhn.2.2011.06.06.18.14.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 06 Jun 2011 18:14:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 22:13:44 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.2-STABLE; KDE/4.6.2; amd64; ; ) References: <4DED3F15.5060500@midsummerdream.org> In-Reply-To: <4DED3F15.5060500@midsummerdream.org> X-KMail-Markup: true MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201106062213.45053.lobo@bsd.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Virtualbox on 8.2 64-bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 01:14:39 -0000 On Monday 06 June 2011 17:56:53 Rob wrote: > I was attempting to install virtualbox on my 8.2-p2 64-bit system this > weekend, and hit a rather curious situation. The pre-packaged version > of virtualbox retrievable by pkg_add is 3.2.12 (which looks in > ports/amd64/packages-8.2-release). Poking around on the ftp server, I > see that packages-8.1-release also has a 3.x version, but > packages-8-stable has the latest 4.0.8. > > I went to look in ports, which contains 4.0.8, and build it myself but I > got an error saying I need to have the 32-bit libraries installed in > order to build virtualbox. > > So, my question is 2-fold: > 1) What is the reason the 64-bit pre-packaged version of virtualbox is > still at the 3.x version? Would there be a problem with installing the > packages (virtualbox and kernel module) from packages-8-stable? > > 2) How do I build virtualbox 4.0.8 on a 64-bit system w/o the 32-bit > libs. Is that possible? Searching around has produced old e-mail > threads indicating this was a problem as of 2 or so years ago with the > 3.x release. If it's not possible to build w/o the 32-bit libs, what do > I need to install? > > Rob You need to rebuild your kernel with options COMPAT_FREEBSD32 # Compatible with i386 binaries included. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 7 01:31:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EEE51065672 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 01:31:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@midsummerdream.org) Received: from p3plsmtpa06-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.105]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6CD128FC1D for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 01:31:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 4182 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2011 01:31:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (70.131.50.248) by p3plsmtpa06-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (173.201.192.105) with ESMTP; 07 Jun 2011 01:31:31 -0000 Message-ID: <4DED7F72.8080603@midsummerdream.org> Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 20:31:30 -0500 From: Rob User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4DED3F15.5060500@midsummerdream.org> <201106062213.45053.lobo@bsd.com.br> In-Reply-To: <201106062213.45053.lobo@bsd.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Virtualbox on 8.2 64-bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lists@midsummerdream.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 01:31:32 -0000 On 6/6/11 8:13 PM, Mario Lobo wrote: > On Monday 06 June 2011 17:56:53 Rob wrote: >> I was attempting to install virtualbox on my 8.2-p2 64-bit system this >> weekend, and hit a rather curious situation. The pre-packaged version >> of virtualbox retrievable by pkg_add is 3.2.12 (which looks in >> ports/amd64/packages-8.2-release). Poking around on the ftp server, I >> see that packages-8.1-release also has a 3.x version, but >> packages-8-stable has the latest 4.0.8. >> >> I went to look in ports, which contains 4.0.8, and build it myself but I >> got an error saying I need to have the 32-bit libraries installed in >> order to build virtualbox. >> >> So, my question is 2-fold: >> 1) What is the reason the 64-bit pre-packaged version of virtualbox is >> still at the 3.x version? Would there be a problem with installing the >> packages (virtualbox and kernel module) from packages-8-stable? >> >> 2) How do I build virtualbox 4.0.8 on a 64-bit system w/o the 32-bit >> libs. Is that possible? Searching around has produced old e-mail >> threads indicating this was a problem as of 2 or so years ago with the >> 3.x release. If it's not possible to build w/o the 32-bit libs, what do >> I need to install? >> >> Rob > > You need to rebuild your kernel with > > options COMPAT_FREEBSD32 # Compatible with i386 binaries > > included. > I'm running the stock 8.2 kernel. Is that option compiled into the kernel? Where do I find the options that are enabled in the stock kernel? Also, does COMPAT_FREEBSD32 mean I don't need the 32-bit libs for compilation, or that the kernel will run binaries compiled for 32-bit systems? If the later, then I'll still need to install the 32-bit version of the libraries in order to build, right? Rob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 7 01:40:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A2B2106564A for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 01:40:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43688FC21 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 01:40:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk28 with SMTP id 28so2581252gxk.13 for ; Mon, 06 Jun 2011 18:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.143.33 with SMTP id k21mr358375yhj.256.1307410802242; Mon, 06 Jun 2011 18:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from papi.localnet ([177.17.59.224]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i62sm3624498yhm.80.2011.06.06.18.40.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 06 Jun 2011 18:40:01 -0700 (PDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Mario Lobo Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 22:39:14 -0300 X-KMail-Markup: true MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201106062239.14221.lobo@bsd.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Virtualbox on 8.2 64-bit (cont) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 01:40:03 -0000 On Monday 06 June 2011 17:56:53 Rob wrote: > I was attempting to install virtualbox on my 8.2-p2 64-bit system this > weekend, and hit a rather curious situation. The pre-packaged version > of virtualbox retrievable by pkg_add is 3.2.12 (which looks in > ports/amd64/packages-8.2-release). Poking around on the ftp server, I > see that packages-8.1-release also has a 3.x version, but > packages-8-stable has the latest 4.0.8. > > I went to look in ports, which contains 4.0.8, and build it myself but I > got an error saying I need to have the 32-bit libraries installed in > order to build virtualbox. > > So, my question is 2-fold: > 1) What is the reason the 64-bit pre-packaged version of virtualbox is > still at the 3.x version? Would there be a problem with installing the > packages (virtualbox and kernel module) from packages-8-stable? > > 2) How do I build virtualbox 4.0.8 on a 64-bit system w/o the 32-bit > libs. Is that possible? Searching around has produced old e-mail > threads indicating this was a problem as of 2 or so years ago with the > 3.x release. If it's not possible to build w/o the 32-bit libs, what do > I need to install? > > Rob You need to rebuild your kernel with options COMPAT_FREEBSD32 # Compatible with i386 binaries included. And as per the port's error message: cd /usr/src; make build32 install32; /etc/rc.d/ldconfig restart -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 7 01:57:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E86DB106566C for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 01:57:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2F418FC13 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 01:57:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk28 with SMTP id 28so2589433gxk.13 for ; Mon, 06 Jun 2011 18:57:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.19.171 with SMTP id n31mr46902yhn.436.1307411824227; Mon, 06 Jun 2011 18:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from papi.localnet ([177.17.59.224]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i61sm3645392yhe.33.2011.06.06.18.57.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 06 Jun 2011 18:57:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 22:56:16 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.2-STABLE; KDE/4.6.2; amd64; ; ) References: <4DED3F15.5060500@midsummerdream.org> <201106062213.45053.lobo@bsd.com.br> <4DED7F72.8080603@midsummerdream.org> In-Reply-To: <4DED7F72.8080603@midsummerdream.org> X-KMail-Markup: true MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201106062256.16152.lobo@bsd.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Virtualbox on 8.2 64-bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 01:57:37 -0000 On Monday 06 June 2011 22:31:30 Rob wrote: > On 6/6/11 8:13 PM, Mario Lobo wrote: > > On Monday 06 June 2011 17:56:53 Rob wrote: > >> I was attempting to install virtualbox on my 8.2-p2 64-bit system this > >> weekend, and hit a rather curious situation. The pre-packaged version > >> of virtualbox retrievable by pkg_add is 3.2.12 (which looks in > >> ports/amd64/packages-8.2-release). Poking around on the ftp server, I > >> see that packages-8.1-release also has a 3.x version, but > >> packages-8-stable has the latest 4.0.8. > >> > >> I went to look in ports, which contains 4.0.8, and build it myself but I > >> got an error saying I need to have the 32-bit libraries installed in > >> order to build virtualbox. > >> > >> So, my question is 2-fold: > >> 1) What is the reason the 64-bit pre-packaged version of virtualbox is > >> still at the 3.x version? Would there be a problem with installing the > >> packages (virtualbox and kernel module) from packages-8-stable? > >> > >> 2) How do I build virtualbox 4.0.8 on a 64-bit system w/o the 32-bit > >> libs. Is that possible? Searching around has produced old e-mail > >> threads indicating this was a problem as of 2 or so years ago with the > >> 3.x release. If it's not possible to build w/o the 32-bit libs, what do > >> I need to install? > >> > >> Rob > > > > You need to rebuild your kernel with > > > > options COMPAT_FREEBSD32 # Compatible with i386 binaries > > > > included. > > I'm running the stock 8.2 kernel. Is that option compiled into the > kernel? Where do I find the options that are enabled in the stock kernel? I believe the stock kernel follows the GENERIC conf file which DOES include the COMPAT_FREEBSD32 option but I'm not 100% sure. Maybe someone on the list could confirm that. > Also, does COMPAT_FREEBSD32 mean I don't need the 32-bit libs for > compilation, or that the kernel will run binaries compiled for 32-bit > systems? If the later, then I'll still need to install the 32-bit > version of the libraries in order to build, right? > > Rob You do need to compile the libraries as per my follow up post. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... 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Any/all information c= ollected from our customers will not be sold, shared, or rented.=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 7 11:56:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEBBC1065675 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 11:56:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glenn@mail.bnetmd.net) Received: from mail.bnetmd.net (NS1.BNETMD.NET [66.159.80.125]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A388FC0A for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 11:56:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from GLENN2 (c-68-33-226-75.hsd1.md.comcast.net [68.33.226.75]) by mail.bnetmd.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id p57Btwvt044919 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 07:55:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from glenn@mail.bnetmd.net) Message-ID: <7E6F915F8DE848FEABB9A0F4A901062E@GLENN2> From: "Glenn McCalley" To: Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 07:56:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 12:00:59 +0000 Subject: MySQL update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 11:56:14 -0000 Trying to update MySQL from 4.1 to 5.5. Updating mysql-client first. Make works great, but make install refuses to install saying 5.5 conflicts with 4.1, run pkg_delete for 4.1. pkg_delete for 4.1 refuses to deinstall as all the php52 packages (extensions, mysql, mysqli, pdo_mysql etc.) depend on mysql 4.1. Question: Do I have to deinstall everything, and then put it all back together, or can I force the mysql 5.5 client and 5.5 server to install? Thanks! Glenn. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 7 12:10:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA030106566C for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 12:10:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.39]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A41E28FC17 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 12:10:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 15768 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2011 12:10:33 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Jun 2011 12:10:32 -0000 Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.8]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75A3E5081F; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 08:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id BA65139844; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 08:10:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: "Glenn McCalley" References: <7E6F915F8DE848FEABB9A0F4A901062E@GLENN2> Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 08:10:05 -0400 In-Reply-To: <7E6F915F8DE848FEABB9A0F4A901062E@GLENN2> (Glenn McCalley's message of "Tue, 7 Jun 2011 07:56:05 -0400") Message-ID: <4462ohhmg2.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MySQL update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 12:10:33 -0000 "Glenn McCalley" writes: > Trying to update MySQL from 4.1 to 5.5. > Updating mysql-client first. > Make works great, but make install refuses to install saying 5.5 > conflicts with 4.1, run > pkg_delete for 4.1. > pkg_delete for 4.1 refuses to deinstall as all the php52 packages > (extensions, mysql, mysqli, pdo_mysql etc.) depend on mysql 4.1. > > Question: Do I have to deinstall everything, and then put it all back > together, or can I force the mysql 5.5 client and 5.5 server to > install? There are several ports management tools in ports/ports-mgmt which handle this for you. portmaster, portupgrade, etc... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 7 12:27:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D149106564A for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 12:27:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp03.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.103]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DE6E8FC0C for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 12:27:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.36]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 07 Jun 2011 08:27:11 -0400 Received: from smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.104]) by mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.2.3-GA) with ESMTP id BCX03298; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 08:27:11 -0400 Received: from 209-6-91-204.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.91.204]) by smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 07 Jun 2011 08:27:11 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19950.6430.712011.660274@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 08:27:10 -0400 To: "Glenn McCalley" In-Reply-To: <7E6F915F8DE848FEABB9A0F4A901062E@GLENN2> References: <7E6F915F8DE848FEABB9A0F4A901062E@GLENN2> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: MySQL update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 12:27:13 -0000 Glenn McCalley writes: > Question: Do I have to deinstall everything, and then put it all > back together, or can I force the mysql 5.5 client and 5.5 server > to install? "Have to"? Possibly not. That may, however, quite likely be the path of least resistance. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 7 12:37:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 080EC1065677 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 12:37:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47FD8FC14 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 12:37:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so5979647iwn.13 for ; Tue, 07 Jun 2011 05:37:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VPxtt4/jMTIP7/UModN+IekC6VNdzQkhfx3G1mTC6dM=; b=QNok3LlIeNPvQ16+D/7ylsdnmLRby+pe/SBlZabBU0tqOcOPrf8HyDX6whjBph3R/I biBoNKDTbkQVH1GDUHIqJLK3g/Tslh14iB8/1nl789XD7BWik8rXQ/7vQ5mys9xKQJKB FS5wrbO5weQP/305u9RUnYriurJy0H9OYw1eg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=svgkTSkHkQXMbV3NhRoecv9jPFRcUeaEjSNVjsiFzt+gRP7O60U7rA7Am+2Bfx5gmK aYIBlzx+j3fvGPwS/r/2j+XbyiVYYokmR2VBJ+FDFcvPJTCnen5S2EU2fcCFC3aP0hyX UlmmtoFLfbh3VtWcn3MBBzhzq3S2V0RgRdD9c= Received: by 10.231.178.91 with SMTP id bl27mr3186336ibb.52.1307450262058; Tue, 07 Jun 2011 05:37:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.174.70 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 05:37:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7E6F915F8DE848FEABB9A0F4A901062E@GLENN2> References: <7E6F915F8DE848FEABB9A0F4A901062E@GLENN2> From: Chris Rees Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 13:37:12 +0100 Message-ID: To: Glenn McCalley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MySQL update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 12:37:43 -0000 On 7 June 2011 12:56, Glenn McCalley wrote: > Trying to update MySQL from 4.1 to 5.5. > Updating mysql-client first. > Make works great, but make install refuses to install saying 5.5 conflict= s > with 4.1, run > pkg_delete for 4.1. > pkg_delete for 4.1 refuses to deinstall as all the php52 packages > (extensions, mysql, mysqli, pdo_mysql etc.) depend on mysql 4.1. > > Question: =A0Do I have to deinstall everything, and then put it all back > together, or can I force the mysql 5.5 client and 5.5 server to install? > I'm at work at the moment, so I can't test these, sorry. Firstly, get portmaster: # pkg_add -r portmaster Then read the manpage: % man portmaster Try something like: # portmaster -o databases/mysql55-client mysql-client # portmaster -o databases/mysql55-server mysql-server Then, because you haven't read the manpage you'll have to confirm everything. Read the manpage! If it doesn't work (because I made a mistake with the -o syntax), read the manpage and then let us have the output. Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 7 13:26:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E69C81065672 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 13:26:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50BF08FC16 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 13:26:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from russet.local (reflex.squiz.co.uk [83.217.109.164]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p57DPhP1008840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 14:26:00 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p57DPhP1008840 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1307453160; bh=DfdiBhlwE6/k8iEsOnBi9ueH3DXneB0TQcMvekFSIXQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4DEE26D0.4030208@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20T ue,=2007=20Jun=202011=2014:25:36=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-US=3B=20r v:1.9.2.17)=20Gecko/20110414=20Thunderbird/3.1.10|MIME-Version:=20 1.0|To:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20MySQL=20u pdate|References:=20<7E6F915F8DE848FEABB9A0F4A901062E@GLENN2>=20|In-Reply-To:=20 |X-Enigmail-Ve rsion:=201.1.1|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp- sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20 boundary=3D"------------enig02D70ABEC1FAB52D7C2E7167"; b=wvUX4Zz7TztWofeEtp3DSTP+m5QgM6CQeE3VL6KWcMB8K2tQ5G3Jvg4HRJo/iHBMM eGu07xGqEd9oBBz3ZYBAG409iyj6MFHNMyLPeP3Pdb3fi9O2RI49Gvl4CWc9wO7j3W aFUQMYK9oc6ciQvMywtC29xyZ3saA68vTOuKVZPI= X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host reflex.squiz.co.uk [83.217.109.164] claimed to be russet.local Message-ID: <4DEE26D0.4030208@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 14:25:36 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <7E6F915F8DE848FEABB9A0F4A901062E@GLENN2> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig02D70ABEC1FAB52D7C2E7167" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: MySQL update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 13:26:05 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig02D70ABEC1FAB52D7C2E7167 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 07/06/2011 13:37, Chris Rees wrote: > On 7 June 2011 12:56, Glenn McCalley wrote: >> Trying to update MySQL from 4.1 to 5.5. >> Updating mysql-client first. >> Make works great, but make install refuses to install saying 5.5 confl= icts >> with 4.1, run >> pkg_delete for 4.1. >> pkg_delete for 4.1 refuses to deinstall as all the php52 packages >> (extensions, mysql, mysqli, pdo_mysql etc.) depend on mysql 4.1. >> >> Question: Do I have to deinstall everything, and then put it all back= >> together, or can I force the mysql 5.5 client and 5.5 server to instal= l? >> >=20 > I'm at work at the moment, so I can't test these, sorry. >=20 > Firstly, get portmaster: >=20 > # pkg_add -r portmaster >=20 > Then read the manpage: >=20 > % man portmaster >=20 > Try something like: >=20 > # portmaster -o databases/mysql55-client mysql-client >=20 > # portmaster -o databases/mysql55-server mysql-server >=20 > Then, because you haven't read the manpage you'll have to confirm > everything. Read the manpage! >=20 > If it doesn't work (because I made a mistake with the -o syntax), read > the manpage and then let us have the output. After doing that, you will also need to: portmaster -fr databases/mysql55-client to relink everything against the new libmysql.so -- portmaster defaults to simply deleting any old shlibs when there is an ABI version bump, so anything dependent on the older version will cease to function corrrectly[*] from that point. There is a '-w' option which can help smooth over such transitions, but even that is no panacea. If you accidentally end up trying to load two different versions of libmysql.so into the same application, it will result in crashyness. Cheers, Matthew [*] ie. you can't /start/ it: stuff that is already running will mostly be OK. --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig02D70ABEC1FAB52D7C2E7167 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3uJtcACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzkOgCdGeQcx7InLIyzzzTfeCl4FKiK 10QAmwR5oT2KvfM4sLIlN3e72rcaawIt =UB7t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig02D70ABEC1FAB52D7C2E7167-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 7 13:34:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A5D106566B for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 13:34:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp03.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.103]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA208FC12 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 13:34:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.37]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 07 Jun 2011 09:05:51 -0400 Received: from smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.104]) by mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.2.3-GA) with ESMTP id AXN56918; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 09:05:50 -0400 Received: from 209-6-91-204.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.91.204]) by smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 07 Jun 2011 09:05:50 -0400 From: Robert Huff Message-ID: <19950.8750.21007.586533@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 09:05:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <19950.6430.712011.660274@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <7E6F915F8DE848FEABB9A0F4A901062E@GLENN2> <19950.6430.712011.660274@jerusalem.litteratus.org> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: Subject: MySQL update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 13:34:34 -0000 Robert Huff writes: > That may, however, quite likely be the path of least > resistance. Also - have you read /usr/ports/UPDATING? Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 7 15:18:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E357106566B for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 15:18:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from a.smith@ukgrid.net) Received: from mx1.ukgrid.net (mx1.ukgrid.net [89.107.22.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 193FA8FC13 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 15:18:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [89.21.28.38] (port=50230 helo=omicron.ukgrid.net) by mx1.ukgrid.net with esmtp (Exim 4.74; FreeBSD) envelope-from a.smith@ukgrid.net envelope-to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org id 1QTy2z-0000PE-5I; Tue, 07 Jun 2011 16:18:25 +0100 Received: from 80.174.147.221.dyn.user.ono.com (80.174.147.221.dyn.user.ono.com [80.174.147.221]) by webmail2.ukgrid.net (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Tue, 07 Jun 2011 16:18:25 +0100 Message-ID: <20110607161825.17254hblqnylbcmc@webmail2.ukgrid.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 16:18:25 +0100 From: a.smith@ukgrid.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.9) / FreeBSD-8.1 Subject: portaudit: exim vulnerable but exim-mysql not?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 15:18:27 -0000 Hi, I've noticed that servers runing exim version 4.74 are being flagged by portaudit as having this vulnerability: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/portaudit/36594c54-7be7-11e0-9838-0022156e8794.html But systems with the port exim-mysql are not. This has to be an oversight doesn't it? If yes, who would need to be informed of this? thanks Andy. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 7 18:55:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD101065674 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 18:55:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@g8kbv.demon.co.uk) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E0758FC17 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 18:55:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.225.105.201] (helo=[192.168.42.12]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtpa (AUTH g8kbv) (Exim 4.69) id 1QU1Os-0007H1-kq for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2011 18:53:14 +0000 From: "Dave" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 19:53:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4DEE7399.16564.FAC5D38@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.61) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Subject: Sorry. Numpty alert! FreeBSD Jails... Help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 18:55:10 -0000 Hi All. Total frustration here. Before I incinerate the luckless box and get my coat. For whatever reason, I can't get my head round how "Exactly" to create and use a jail, for a small webserver (Hiawatha) on FreeBSD V8.x There is at the same time, not enough detailed info as to "how to", and way too much detail of what there is. The Man pages are good references, but lousy "how to's"... (Sorry.) I have (aledgedly) downloaded the Sys sources, and Ports. At least it sat there for ages after fumbling arround the sysinstall menu system (whoever designed that should be forced to use it! It's behaviour is apalling, flitting from one context to another with no warning, in a way such that you can't see what you've selected, without affecting the selection, or something else..) Anyway, trying to follow various instructions I found, and those pointed out to me by other helpful souls here (thanks Kaya and Peter.) But Whatever I do, I get a "Don't know how to build world. Stop" error. I am logged in as root, and AFIK have downloaded all the sys and ports sources.. How do I confirm that, are there trace logs kept somewhere? Now, I can create EMC test software in high level languages (Pascal/Delphi on Windows.) Assemble install commission and repair when needed, multi kW RF amplifiers, and related support systems. Diagnose faults on the same, modify control software (at the source level) to work arround some "undesirable features" etc etc. I've also been building computers (and other tech stuff) for decades from components, and programming them to do what I need etc and so forth, but all in either native asembler code, or a higher level language on Dos or Windows. I even found and followed these instructions, and got a GPS Diciplined NTP server running on the FreeBSD box. (After my ISP comprehensivly wrecked their NTP server access.) So a HF Radio propagation monitor can keep time to sub ms accuracy. That was a first time success too, even re-compiling the kernel to enable PPS support! http://blog.doylenet.net/?p=145 So, I can follow instructions.. :-) I have even got the Meinberg port of NTP to work on an aged Win2k box, albeit with some help from others. But for the life of me, I can't figure out this BSD Jail stuff, as there is something missing from my understanding of it all. (Most of it I suspect...) None of the searches so far have thrown up a definative "This is how you do it" type of procedure, with step by step "do this, if this happens, then do that, else go do this..." type of structure. And more importantly *Why* it needs to be done in such a way. Kaya's wiki is close, but I must have a different varient of V8.x Is there anyone out there with Skype (for example) who could perhaps talk me through this it in real time I wonder. By arangment of some mutually conveninent time and date (evening or weekend.) I'm, in the UK near Milton Keynes, so that limits things somewhat I suspect. I realy do want to learn how to do all this, but I'm having a real hard time, due to the lack of contiguious time available to me, and with the available documentation, that I accept is correct, but it is all written as a reference document, not an instruction/user manual, only compounded by coming in cold from another background (Hardware/Dos(Assembler & Basic)/Windows(Delphi/Pascal) What I have learnt so far, is that (for the most part) all the BSD's behave and work much the same. Unlike the hoards of different Linux's, all with their different ways of doing things. Spleen vented, anyone want a challenge? I promise not to shout at you... Cheers All.. Dave B. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 7 19:10:37 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428B3106564A for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 19:10:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout022.mac.com (asmtpout022.mac.com [17.148.16.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A3438FC21 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 19:10:36 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp022.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LMF007COP9OFG70@asmtp022.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2011 12:10:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-06-07_08:2011-06-07, 2011-06-07, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1106070118 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <4DEE7399.16564.FAC5D38@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 12:10:35 -0700 Message-id: <7389ECED-D502-47F7-84FB-F44778A926B9@mac.com> References: <4DEE7399.16564.FAC5D38@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> To: Dave X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sorry. Numpty alert! FreeBSD Jails... Help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 19:10:37 -0000 On Jun 7, 2011, at 11:53 AM, Dave wrote: > For whatever reason, I can't get my head round how "Exactly" to create > and use a jail, for a small webserver (Hiawatha) on FreeBSD V8.x Did you start with the Handbook? http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/jails.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/jails-build.html You might also consider sysutils/ezjail; see: http://erdgeist.org/arts/software/ezjail [ ... ] > I have (aledgedly) downloaded the Sys sources, and Ports. At least it > sat there for ages after fumbling arround the sysinstall menu system > (whoever designed that should be forced to use it! It's behaviour is > apalling, flitting from one context to another with no warning, in a way > such that you can't see what you've selected, without affecting the > selection, or something else..) > > Anyway, trying to follow various instructions I found, and those pointed > out to me by other helpful souls here (thanks Kaya and Peter.) But > Whatever I do, I get a "Don't know how to build world. Stop" error. > > I am logged in as root, and AFIK have downloaded all the sys and ports > sources.. How do I confirm that, are there trace logs kept somewhere? http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/updating-upgrading.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/ports-using.html Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 7 19:23:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1F31106566C for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 19:23:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yi0-f54.google.com (mail-yi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A7B8FC0C for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 19:23:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yie13 with SMTP id 13so1377281yie.13 for ; Tue, 07 Jun 2011 12:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.179.2 with SMTP id b2mr5764254ybf.410.1307474626561; Tue, 07 Jun 2011 12:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (twdp-174-109-142-001.nc.res.rr.com [174.109.142.1]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s18sm9927ybg.25.2011.06.07.12.23.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 07 Jun 2011 12:23:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3QpjVl69fJz2CG44 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 15:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 15:23:43 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110607152343.1639ae23@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <4DEE7399.16564.FAC5D38@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> References: <4DEE7399.16564.FAC5D38@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Sorry. Numpty alert! FreeBSD Jails... Help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 19:23:47 -0000 On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 19:53:13 +0100 Dave articulated: > There is at the same time, not enough detailed info as to "how to", > and way too much detail of what there is. The Man pages are good > references, but lousy "how to's"... (Sorry.) Many knowledgeable people consider "man" to simple be an acronym for, "Much About Nothing". In any case, I assume you have read the documentation @: Perhaps you could list a few of the steps you have taken to a achieve your goal. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 7 19:03:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EB5F1065670 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 19:03:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jack@jarasoft.net) Received: from raats.xs4all.nl (raats.xs4all.nl [82.95.230.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 423E88FC08 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 19:03:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from raats.xs4all.nl (orac.jarasoft.net [10.10.10.10]) by raats.xs4all.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9804D3D7428; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 21:03:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jarasc430 (raats.xs4all.nl [82.95.230.43]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by raats.xs4all.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 70E983D741F; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 21:03:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: From: "Jack Raats" To: "Dave" , References: <4DEE7399.16564.FAC5D38@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 21:03:19 +0200 Organization: JaRaSoft, Steenbergen, Nederland MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on orac.jarasoft.net X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 20:14:50 +0000 Cc: Subject: Re: Sorry. Numpty alert! FreeBSD Jails... Help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jack Raats List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 19:03:23 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 8:53 PM Subject: Sorry. Numpty alert! FreeBSD Jails... Help? > Hi All. > > Total frustration here. Before I incinerate the luckless box and get my > coat. > > For whatever reason, I can't get my head round how "Exactly" to create > and use a jail, for a small webserver (Hiawatha) on FreeBSD V8.x First compile the complete system. (kernel and world) Then install ezjail form the ports Then edit ezjail.conf in /usr/local/etc enable ezjail in /etc/rc.conf Then creating the base system: ezjail-admin update -i ezjail-admin update -P after this you can create a jail using: ezjail-admin create hostname.domain.net ip_address_of_jail you can logon to your jail using: ezjail-admin console hostname.domain.net It's quite easy Grtz Jack From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 7 21:05:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CAF5106564A for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 21:05:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from a.smith@ukgrid.net) Received: from mx0.ukgrid.net (mx0.ukgrid.net [89.21.28.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D78548FC08 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 21:05:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [89.21.28.38] (port=41969 helo=omicron.ukgrid.net) by mx0.ukgrid.net with esmtp (Exim 4.76; FreeBSD) envelope-from a.smith@ukgrid.net id 1QU3SW-000ORa-FW; Tue, 07 Jun 2011 22:05:08 +0100 Received: from 80.174.147.221.dyn.user.ono.com (80.174.147.221.dyn.user.ono.com [80.174.147.221]) by webmail2.ukgrid.net (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Tue, 07 Jun 2011 22:05:08 +0100 Message-ID: <20110607220508.18444snj3ftg8uww@webmail2.ukgrid.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 22:05:08 +0100 From: a.smith@ukgrid.net To: dave@g8kbv.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.9) / FreeBSD-8.1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Sorry. Numpty alert! FreeBSD Jails... Help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 21:05:11 -0000 Hi Dave, I didn't find it total plain sailing myself when I did this for the first time a few months back. Ok, so I think you are sitting in "/usr/src" trying to run the make buildworld right? If you are getting the error you mentioned then I think it means you are missing the Makefile? Ie if you do an ls there is no file called "Makefile". In that case you need to install it, which if via sysinstall you need to go: Configure Distributions src base (this has the Makefile) then select ok, and choose FTP etc etc, If you have the other sources already then you should be good to go, cheers Andy. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 7 21:46:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 445711065670 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 21:46:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Thiago.Vitorino@brasmarcis.com) Received: from AM1EHSOBE002.bigfish.com (am1ehsobe002.messaging.microsoft.com [213.199.154.205]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 915458FC17 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 21:46:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail13-am1-R.bigfish.com (10.3.201.248) by AM1EHSOBE002.bigfish.com (10.3.204.22) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 21:31:19 +0000 Received: from mail13-am1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail13-am1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 810CD7D0577; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 21:31:19 +0000 (UTC) X-SpamScore: -5 X-BigFish: VS-5(zz542Mzz1202hzz8275ch8275bh8275dhz2fh87h2a8h668h839h8e2h8e3h61h) X-Spam-TCS-SCL: 0:0 X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:65.54.31.211; KIP:(null); UIP:(null); IPVD:NLI; H:smtp.mgd.maersk.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail13-am1: domain of brasmarcis.com designates 65.54.31.211 as permitted sender) client-ip=65.54.31.211; envelope-from=Thiago.Vitorino@brasmarcis.com; helo=smtp.mgd.maersk.com ; d.maersk.com ; X-FB-DOMAIN-IP-MATCH: fail Received: from mail13-am1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail13-am1 (MessageSwitch) id 130748224955642_3962; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 21:30:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from AM1EHSMHS007.bigfish.com (unknown [10.3.201.247]) by mail13-am1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F17D71B6804F; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 21:30:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.mgd.maersk.com (65.54.31.211) by AM1EHSMHS007.bigfish.com (10.3.207.107) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.22; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 21:30:47 +0000 Received: from APM-EUMSG-01.MGDAPM.APMOLLER.NET ([10.31.192.86]) by apm-am1mgwy-02.MGDAPM.APMOLLER.NET ([10.31.192.126]) with mapi; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 23:30:46 +0200 From: "Silva, Thiago Alexandre Vitorino Da" To: "a.smith@ukgrid.net" , "dave@g8kbv.demon.co.uk" Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 23:30:43 +0200 Thread-Topic: Sorry. Numpty alert! FreeBSD Jails... Help? Thread-Index: AcwlVrOnr2LuLxsxSrOUqdnB5ah9IgAAq7PA Message-ID: References: <20110607220508.18444snj3ftg8uww@webmail2.ukgrid.net> In-Reply-To: <20110607220508.18444snj3ftg8uww@webmail2.ukgrid.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: RE: Sorry. Numpty alert! FreeBSD Jails... Help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 21:46:27 -0000 Bingo! Andy said all!! Dave, is missing the base source in your box. Consider use the handbook. I tried all how-to's that I've searched in Googl= e, but only Handbook make my way to heaven. EzJail is a tool that make veeeery easy manage the jails. Regards / Atenciosamente, --- Thiago Vitorino IT Infrastructure Supervisor Brasmar - An APM Terminals Company Itaja=ED, Brazil Office +55-47 2103 5602 Thiago.Vitorino@brasmarcis.com Lifting Global Trade www.brasmar.com.br www.apmterminals.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@f= reebsd.org] On Behalf Of a.smith@ukgrid.net Sent: ter=E7a-feira, 7 de junho de 2011 18:05 To: dave@g8kbv.demon.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Sorry. Numpty alert! FreeBSD Jails... Help? Hi Dave, I didn't find it total plain sailing myself when I did this for the first time a few months back. Ok, so I think you are sitting in "/usr/src" trying to run the make buildworld right? If you are getting the error you mentioned then I think it means you are missing the Makefile? Ie if you do an ls there is no file called "Makefile". In that case you need to install it, which if via sysinstall you need to go: Configure Distributions src base (this has the Makefile) then select ok, and choose FTP etc etc, If you have the other sources already then you should be good to go, cheers Andy. _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " The information contained in this message is privileged and intended only f= or the recipients named. If the reader is not a representative of the inten= ded recipient, any review, dissemination or copying of this message or the = information it contains is prohibited. If you have received this message in= error, please immediately notify the sender, and delete the original messa= ge and attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this email. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 7 21:51:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E96911065680 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 21:51:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayasaman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68D288FC13 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 21:51:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so5399866wyf.13 for ; Tue, 07 Jun 2011 14:51:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type; bh=wQVArLpNesTNP3VTRg2V9f38lBbyZN7mdhFrV+9qUXo=; b=kkQTgGlNfXSYIl0vcj2ILYC9oXHVeT/Va/G0Zqkjoy7c7KhAHSdQKh7g9/AnzJ5u/F iKPG/jetp1g/yOEF9yTK/eLBIGIs74WnNfn8MT98KRmFqA0NoXNp2MRFMlDPjnehi14x ZvDrrLxYZWXcjPMLjEZCzRKdzDnflwMqDtrmg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; b=SdpAAdSy0Us9EOY3U8+2SgQJSag/g5dnOXLvOCPeEdv00v4jFW0GTRIglj8J4RL5Wp XwrOpgZ28zwInEdUYoTV0S8OqJ7I/yH8vG5+jIGLQzJpxqNp4D7dAfAVF1G+3tJi50B0 85rqYU5HhPadKwoPYJhamn+lpnCPQ55nbkPW0= Received: by 10.227.1.102 with SMTP id 38mr6744889wbe.109.1307483474447; Tue, 07 Jun 2011 14:51:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.16.0.3] ([78.186.130.149]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b10sm3877324wbh.43.2011.06.07.14.51.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 07 Jun 2011 14:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4DEE9D4B.3090309@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 00:51:07 +0300 From: Kaya Saman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110607220508.18444snj3ftg8uww@webmail2.ukgrid.net> In-Reply-To: <20110607220508.18444snj3ftg8uww@webmail2.ukgrid.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Sorry. Numpty alert! FreeBSD Jails... Help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 21:51:18 -0000 Hi guys, just as I've been helping out already I did actually have this lot in my Wiki: http://wiki.optiplex-networks.com/xwiki/bin/view/FreeBSD/Installing_FreeBSD [quote] Please take note however that the *Buildworld* environment needs to have *all sources* installed into the system in order to compile and build. This however should really only affect people who wish to use *FreeBSD Jails* as standard non-Jail configured systems will run fine with the default selection above. [/quote Which is exactly the same as Andy has just mentioned below. The rest of the procedure then is pretty trivial.... I think Dave is getting confused about how to use the sysintall software which I did at first too a few years back when I started with FreeBSD but now that I am used to it, I don't suffer any more. The next release of FreeBSD won't have that any more from what I recall reading and will change to something else? - Correct me if wrong... Regards, --K On 06/08/2011 12:05 AM, a.smith@ukgrid.net wrote: > Hi Dave, > > I didn't find it total plain sailing myself when I did this for the > first time a few months back. > > Ok, so I think you are sitting in "/usr/src" trying to run the make > buildworld right? If you are getting the error you mentioned then I > think it means you are missing the Makefile? Ie if you do an ls there > is no file called "Makefile". In that case you need to install it, > which if via sysinstall you need to go: > > Configure > Distributions > src > base (this has the Makefile) > > then select ok, and choose FTP etc etc, > > If you have the other sources already then you should be good to go, > > cheers Andy. > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 7 21:52:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96034106566B for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 21:52:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glenn@bnetmd.net) Received: from cernan.electric.net (smtp-out-34.electric.net [72.35.23.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EFC38FC1A for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 21:52:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 1QTwqH-0002GI-UU by cernan.electric.net with emc1-ok (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1QTwqH-0002H4-Ut for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2011 07:01:13 -0700 Received: by emcmailer; Tue, 07 Jun 2011 07:01:13 -0700 Received: from [10.86.5.46] (helo=fuse246.electric.net) by cernan.electric.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QTwqH-0002GI-UU for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2011 07:01:13 -0700 Received: from mailanyone.net by fuse246.electric.net with esmtpa (MailAnyone extSMTP glenn@bnetmd.net) id 1QTwqG-0007Q0-Dn for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2011 07:01:13 -0700 Message-ID: <4E900BDAD33A43EE89313926BC7CD0F1@GLENN2> From: "Glenn McCalley" To: References: <7E6F915F8DE848FEABB9A0F4A901062E@GLENN2> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 10:01:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090 X-Outbound-IP: 10.86.5.46 X-Env-From: glenn@bnetmd.net X-PolicySMART: 1273431 X-Virus-Status: Scanned by VirusSMART (c) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 22:07:10 +0000 Subject: Re: MySQL update - Done X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 21:52:16 -0000 Chris, portmaster was the key. Installed that (yes, read the manpage, and your -o syntax was OK anyway) and MAGIC! -- update went fine. Matthew and Robert's comments regarding updating taken to heart as well. THANKS guys, much appreciated. Glenn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Rees" To: "Glenn McCalley" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 8:37 AM Subject: Re: MySQL update > On 7 June 2011 12:56, Glenn McCalley wrote: >> Trying to update MySQL from 4.1 to 5.5. >> Updating mysql-client first. >> Make works great, but make install refuses to install saying 5.5 >> conflicts >> with 4.1, run >> pkg_delete for 4.1. >> pkg_delete for 4.1 refuses to deinstall as all the php52 packages >> (extensions, mysql, mysqli, pdo_mysql etc.) depend on mysql 4.1. >> >> Question: Do I have to deinstall everything, and then put it all back >> together, or can I force the mysql 5.5 client and 5.5 server to install? >> > > I'm at work at the moment, so I can't test these, sorry. > > Firstly, get portmaster: > > # pkg_add -r portmaster > > Then read the manpage: > > % man portmaster > > Try something like: > > # portmaster -o databases/mysql55-client mysql-client > > # portmaster -o databases/mysql55-server mysql-server > > Then, because you haven't read the manpage you'll have to confirm > everything. Read the manpage! > > If it doesn't work (because I made a mistake with the -o syntax), read > the manpage and then let us have the output. > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 7 22:54:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E04C61065672 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 22:54:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72CDC8FC12 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 22:54:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (pD9FBE9E9.dip.t-dialin.net [217.251.233.233]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p57MsKnZ046409; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 22:54:21 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p57MsELk009841; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 00:54:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p57MrAf9094015; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 22:53:35 GMT (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201106072253.p57MrAf9094015@fire.js.berklix.net> To: "Dave" From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Tue, 07 Jun 2011 19:53:13 BST." <4DEE7399.16564.FAC5D38@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 00:53:10 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sorry. Numpty alert! FreeBSD Jails... Help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 22:54:24 -0000 > and AFIK have downloaded all the sys and ports > sources.. How do I confirm that, cd /usr/src make clean ; make cleandir ; make clean # gets rid of obj du -s -k 547684 . find . -type d -print | wc 4734 4734 119623 cd /usr/ports du -s -k 477244 . find . -type d -print | wc 31883 31883 704477 > are there trace logs kept somewhere? Not that I'm aware of, but I dont use sysinstall beyond minimum installs, (I get my src/ & ports/ from my cvs tree which is delivered by ctm from mail) cvs -Q -R export -r RELENG_8_2_0_RELEASE src # du=548 M tgz=115 M cvs -Q -R export -r RELEASE_8_2_0 ports # du=475 M tgz= 49 M cvs -Q -R export -r RELEASE_8_2_0 doc # du=100 M tgz= 27 M Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below, not above; indent with "> "; Cumulative like a play script. Send plain text format; Not quoted-printable, Not HTML, Not base 64. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 8 01:00:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7274B106564A for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 01:00:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from myself@rdtan.net) Received: from mail-pv0-f182.google.com (mail-pv0-f182.google.com [74.125.83.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51C688FC0C for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 01:00:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pvg11 with SMTP id 11so7542pvg.13 for ; Tue, 07 Jun 2011 18:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.32.1 with SMTP id e1mr498217pbi.404.1307493460112; Tue, 07 Jun 2011 17:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xhost.local ([211.24.220.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n1sm24874pbi.31.2011.06.07.17.37.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 07 Jun 2011 17:37:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4DEEC450.30809@rdtan.net> Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 08:37:36 +0800 From: Edward User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4DEE7399.16564.FAC5D38@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4DEE7399.16564.FAC5D38@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Sorry. Numpty alert! FreeBSD Jails... Help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 01:00:24 -0000 On 6/8/11 2:53 AM, Dave wrote: > Hi All. > [snip] > What I have learnt so far, is that (for the most part) all the BSD's > behave and work much the same. Unlike the hoards of different Linux's, > all with their different ways of doing things. > > Spleen vented, anyone want a challenge? I promise not to shout at you... Dave, in my experience, I've always refer to the Handbook (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html) for setup of BSD & applications. Only if there's non, then proceed to seek advice from Larry & Sergey. You can find the following post to be helpful : - FreeBSD OS setup : http://scratching.psybermonkey.net/2009/08/freebsd-quick-install-guide-aka-how-to.html - Jail setup : http://scratching.psybermonkey.net/2010/06/freebsd-how-to-setup-configure-jail.html Disclosure : the links posted up there are from my blog, except the always trusted source, Handbook from FreeBSD.org. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 8 12:46:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A90F1065673 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 12:46:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@g8kbv.demon.co.uk) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E468FC16 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 12:46:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.225.105.201] (helo=[192.168.42.12]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtpa (AUTH g8kbv) (Exim 4.69) id 1QUI92-0003nr-d1 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2011 12:46:00 +0000 From: "Dave" To: Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 13:45:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4DEF6EFA.11055.138252FF@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <4DEE7399.16564.FAC5D38@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk>, X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.61) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Subject: Re: Sorry. Numpty alert! FreeBSD Jails... Help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 12:46:03 -0000 On 7 Jun 2011 at 21:03, Jack Raats wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Hi All. > > > > Total frustration here. Before I incinerate the luckless box and > > get my coat. > > > > For whatever reason, I can't get my head round how "Exactly" to > > create and use a jail, for a small webserver (Hiawatha) on FreeBSD > > V8.x > > First compile the complete system. (kernel and world) > Then install ezjail form the ports > > Then edit ezjail.conf in /usr/local/etc > enable ezjail in /etc/rc.conf > > Then creating the base system: > ezjail-admin update -i > ezjail-admin update -P > > after this you can create a jail using: > > ezjail-admin create hostname.domain.net ip_address_of_jail > > you can logon to your jail using: > ezjail-admin console hostname.domain.net > > It's quite easy > > Grtz > Jack The problem is Jack, that build / make etc don't run. Just saying "compile the complete system" is not much help, when as others have pointed out, part of the needed source collection is (was) missing. Re: "It's quite easy". Only when you know how! Dave B From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 8 12:53:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B623106566C for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 12:53:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@g8kbv.demon.co.uk) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609B78FC08 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 12:53:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.225.105.201] (helo=[192.168.42.12]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtpa (AUTH g8kbv) (Exim 4.69) id 1QUIGX-0001Zk-gA for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2011 12:53:45 +0000 From: "Dave" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 13:53:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4DEF70D8.24547.13899E4E@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <7389ECED-D502-47F7-84FB-F44778A926B9@mac.com> References: <4DEE7399.16564.FAC5D38@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk>, <7389ECED-D502-47F7-84FB-F44778A926B9@mac.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.61) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Subject: Re: Sorry. Numpty alert! FreeBSD Jails... Help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 12:53:46 -0000 On 7 Jun 2011 at 12:10, Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Jun 7, 2011, at 11:53 AM, Dave wrote: > > For whatever reason, I can't get my head round how "Exactly" to > > create and use a jail, for a small webserver (Hiawatha) on FreeBSD > > V8.x > > Did you start with the Handbook? > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/jails.html > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/jails-build.html > Yes, I have been there many times. It must be me, because I do not find it much if any help. "Cant see the wood for all the trees" or something. Like I said, the handbook is a good "Reference", but not a "How To". Plus, once I've gone and clicked on a few of the refereal links, it's way too easy to loose the plot, or ones place in the overall scheme of things.. > You might also consider sysutils/ezjail; see: > > http://erdgeist.org/arts/software/ezjail > > [ ... ] > > I have (aledgedly) downloaded the Sys sources, and Ports. At least > > it sat there for ages after fumbling arround the sysinstall menu > > system (whoever designed that should be forced to use it! It's > > behaviour is apalling, flitting from one context to another with no > > warning, in a way such that you can't see what you've selected, > > without affecting the selection, or something else..) > > > > Anyway, trying to follow various instructions I found, and those > > pointed out to me by other helpful souls here (thanks Kaya and > > Peter.) But Whatever I do, I get a "Don't know how to build world. > > Stop" error. > > > > I am logged in as root, and AFIK have downloaded all the sys and > > ports sources.. How do I confirm that, are there trace logs kept > > somewhere? > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/updating-upgrading.html > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/ports-using.html As Andy and Kaya pointed out, I was missing the Base sources. As at some point, while fighting with the sysinstall menu system, the Base selection got un-selected. I think I have them now, but have not yet re-tried a build or make. > > Regards, > -- > -Chuck > Thanks. Dave B. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 8 12:57:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93A43106566C for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 12:57:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@g8kbv.demon.co.uk) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 597F68FC14 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 12:57:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.225.105.201] (helo=[192.168.42.12]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtpa (AUTH g8kbv) (Exim 4.69) id 1QUIJr-0001Ls-a2 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2011 12:57:11 +0000 From: "Dave" To: FreeBSD Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 13:57:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4DEF71A1.18083.138CB051@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20110607152343.1639ae23@scorpio> References: <4DEE7399.16564.FAC5D38@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk>, <20110607152343.1639ae23@scorpio> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.61) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Content-description: Mail message body Subject: Re: Sorry. Numpty alert! FreeBSD Jails... Help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 12:57:12 -0000 On 7 Jun 2011 at 15:23, Jerry wrote: > On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 19:53:13 +0100 > Dave articulated: > > > There is at the same time, not enough detailed info as to "how to", > > and way too much detail of what there is. The Man pages are good > > references, but lousy "how to's"... (Sorry.) > > Many knowledgeable people consider "man" to simple be an acronym for, > "Much About Nothing". In any case, I assume you have read the > documentation @: > > Perhaps you could list a few of the steps you have taken to a achieve > your goal. > > -- > Jerry > jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Hi. I was, as I found later, following this... http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/jails-build.html But it failed at step 2, with "dont know how to make ... Stop" etc... Dave B From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 8 13:05:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7373E106564A for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 13:05:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@g8kbv.demon.co.uk) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A4B78FC16 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 13:05:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.225.105.201] (helo=[192.168.42.12]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtpa (AUTH g8kbv) (Exim 4.69) id 1QUIRp-0005G7-mf for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2011 13:05:25 +0000 From: "Dave" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 14:05:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4DEF7394.24571.13944CBE@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <201106072253.p57MrAf9094015@fire.js.berklix.net> References: >, <201106072253.p57MrAf9094015@fire.js.berklix.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.61) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Subject: Re: Sorry. Numpty alert! FreeBSD Jails... Help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 13:05:26 -0000 On 8 Jun 2011 at 0:53, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > and AFIK have downloaded all the sys and ports > > sources.. How do I confirm that, > > cd /usr/src > make clean ; make cleandir ; make clean # gets rid of obj > du -s -k > 547684 . "cant cd to /usr/src/share/info *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /urs/src. You have new mail. (Contents of the mail is the usual sustem/security stuff) I figure something else is missing, so didn't bother with anything else. Dave B > > find . -type d -print | wc > 4734 4734 119623 > > cd /usr/ports > du -s -k > 477244 . > > find . -type d -print | wc > 31883 31883 704477 > > > > are there trace logs kept somewhere? > > Not that I'm aware of, but I dont use sysinstall beyond minimum > installs, (I get my src/ & ports/ from my cvs tree which is delivered > by ctm from mail) > cvs -Q -R export -r RELENG_8_2_0_RELEASE src # du=548 M tgz=115 M > cvs -Q -R export -r RELEASE_8_2_0 ports # du=475 M tgz= 49 M > cvs -Q -R export -r RELEASE_8_2_0 doc # du=100 M tgz= 27 M > > Cheers, > Julian > -- > Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich > http://berklix.com > Reply below, not above; indent with "> "; Cumulative like a play > script. Send plain text format; Not quoted-printable, Not HTML, Not > base 64. > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 8 13:44:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1510D1065674 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 13:44:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72C118FC17 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 13:44:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p58Di62s032233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 14:44:06 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p58Di62s032233 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1307540646; bh=DlVhfTBfi7TxOQHlSTPit3hHtiz9z7LKGchv0f/GkAE=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4DEF7C9E.80004@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20Wed ,=2008=20Jun=202011=2014:43:58=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman=20 |User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(Mac intosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-US=3B=20rv: 1.9.2.17)=20Gecko/20110414=20Thunderbird/3.1.10|MIME-Version:=201. 0|To:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20Sorry.=20=2 0Numpty=20alert!=20=20FreeBSD=20Jails...=20=20=20Help?|References: =20<4DEE7399.16564.FAC5D38@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk>,=09<7389ECED-D5 02-47F7-84FB-F44778A926B9@mac.com>=20<4DEF70D8.24547.13899E4E@dave .g8kbv.demon.co.uk>|In-Reply-To:=20<4DEF70D8.24547.13899E4E@dave.g 8kbv.demon.co.uk>|X-Enigmail-Version:=201.1.1|OpenPGP:=20id=3D60AE 908C|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D =0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3 D"------------enig1B4D881FA45FBB1B926C802D"; b=AvYSqE539rBtVBfuPoy5OCjvyVrZ3M0e22JtE88Xa9lHSPXUx1lfT5wYzNp4813ee FWcpnRKDEfWo98PGhzbh+W6+d+hsG8zmqSMBto+nt+el0qfs7aUaWWep5pqK9Z9WaM elfRjZL1d2ZwdzblnI0O7z5DoaunUzbSI3cZfMbw= Message-ID: <4DEF7C9E.80004@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 14:43:58 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4DEE7399.16564.FAC5D38@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk>, <7389ECED-D502-47F7-84FB-F44778A926B9@mac.com> <4DEF70D8.24547.13899E4E@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4DEF70D8.24547.13899E4E@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig1B4D881FA45FBB1B926C802D" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, PLING_QUERY, SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: Sorry. Numpty alert! FreeBSD Jails... Help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 13:44:11 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig1B4D881FA45FBB1B926C802D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 08/06/2011 13:53, Dave wrote: > As Andy and Kaya pointed out, I was missing the Base sources. As at so= me=20 > point, while fighting with the sysinstall menu system, the Base selecti= on=20 > got un-selected. The best way to get along with sysinstall is not to use it. Or use it as little as possible. Install a really minimal system, then reboot and log into FreeBSD and do everything else from the system command line. sysinstall is not a system administration tool, and attempting to use it as such will lead to much needless suffering. Now, you may be wondering exactly /how/ to do the stuff you want from the command line. The Handbook is a really very good reference for that, or you can search the web or ask here. Getting hold of the latest system sources and compiling and installing FreeBSD from them is very well covered, as are alternative binary-only methods for those who do not want to spend time compiling. (Mind you, if you hate running a compiler, then FreeBSD is probably not for you: compile from source is the 'succeed where all else fails' typical last resort solution to many problems) Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig1B4D881FA45FBB1B926C802D Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3vfKYACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxF2QCfW5BAakjP/b89EanXOzeDPWSE ZXcAnAmAZNbhRqcCbR34f4tfjNsrWjik =HOk3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig1B4D881FA45FBB1B926C802D-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 8 14:13:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60AF5106564A for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 14:13:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 212B88FC15 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 14:13:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-63-204.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.63.204]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7356B1E76A; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 16:13:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p58EDd3T003373; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 16:13:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 16:13:39 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "Dave" Message-Id: <20110608161339.7d30a1ff.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4DEF7394.24571.13944CBE@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> References: <201106072253.p57MrAf9094015@fire.js.berklix.net> <4DEF7394.24571.13944CBE@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sorry. Numpty alert! FreeBSD Jails... Help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 14:13:42 -0000 On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 14:05:24 +0100, "Dave" wrote: > On 8 Jun 2011 at 0:53, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > > > and AFIK have downloaded all the sys and ports > > > sources.. How do I confirm that, > > > > cd /usr/src > > make clean ; make cleandir ; make clean # gets rid of obj > > du -s -k > > 547684 . > > "cant cd to /usr/src/share/info > *** Error code 2 > > Stop in /usr/src. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /urs/src. > You have new mail. > (Contents of the mail is the usual sustem/security stuff) > > I figure something else is missing, so didn't bother with anything else. You really need to have the complete sources. There are many ways to get them (e. g. using sysinstall, traditionally not recommended in the first place), loading them from the CD or DVD (works if you need -RELEASE), or obtaining them per CVS. Here's a short solution that will also work with incomplete (partially present) src/ subtrees. First, add this to /etc/make.conf: SUP_UPDATE=yes SUP=/usr/bin/csup SUPFLAGS=-g -L 2 SUPHOST=cvsup.freebsd.org SUPFILE=/etc/sup/stable.sup Then create /etc/sup/stable.sup with the following content: *default host=cvsup.freebsd.org *default base=/var/db *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_8 *default delete use-rel-suffix *default compress src-all This of course assumes that you want 8-STABLE sources. And instead of cvsup.freebsd.org, you can select a mirror near your location. Refer to the Handbook for the CVS tags to supply. If you've done all that, go: # cd /usr/src # make update (You should at least have the "base" src pack because of the Makefile installed.) You can use this to update your sources any time you want. Instead of -STABLE, you can also request -RELEASE, -RELEASE-pX (the security branch), or -CURRENT. (You can use a similar approach to get the ports/ subtree updated, but portsnap is much faster.) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 8 14:50:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F3C1065670 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 14:50:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FCC18FC14 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 14:50:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gamma.wifi.locolomo.org (gamma.wifi.locolomo.org [172.16.1.5]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4EC5F1C0841 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 16:50:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4DEF8C23.5010707@locolomo.org> Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 16:50:11 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Erik_N=F8rgaard?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "questions@FreeBSD.org Questions" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: How to restrict jail's network access? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 14:50:14 -0000 Hi: I'm planning to move services to run in jails. Two jails: 1: Mail related: postfix, cyrus imap and openldap 2: Web related: apache and postgresql No service should be able to connect out of the jail to remote hosts, except for postfix that need to connect out to port 25 for delivery to other domains. I don't want to allow a ssh out of a jail to the local node, as that could allow a compromised jail to jump to the host server - even if only theoretically. Both jails need to access the named that runs chrooted on the host server but may not access remote DNS services. Otherwise than this there is, any connection to remote nodes or the host server on the loopback interface must be blocked. I don't have extra IPs to create jails with separate interfaces, but there is no conflicting port assignments so this shouldn't be a problem. I have considered to isolate the jails by only offering a loopback interface and let the firewall impose these policies, but is this at all possible? How would you go about implementing the above policies? Thanks, Erik From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 8 15:13:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 695BF106566C for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 15:13:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from niek@bigfoot.com) Received: from smtp08.online.nl (smtp08.online.nl [194.134.42.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB4A58FC12 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 15:13:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp08.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp08.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA82A66CED for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 16:55:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.251.2] (s5375566e.adsl.wanadoo.nl [83.117.86.110]) by smtp08.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 16:55:40 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4DEF8D6B.90404@bigfoot.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 16:55:39 +0200 From: nick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; nl; rv:1.9.1.19) Gecko/20110420 Lightning/1.0b1 SeaMonkey/2.0.14 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp08.online.nl) Subject: ipv6 enabled and panic in 7.4-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 15:13:26 -0000 Hello list, I enabled ipv6 in a server running 7.4-RELEASE with amd64 generic kernel, and bge. I issued a static ipv6 address with prefix lenght 120 (according to my network administrator) and ipv6 default route in rc.conf, and issued '/etc/rc.d/network_ipv6 start'. ifconfig bge0: bge0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=9b ether 00:f5:0b:3d:3b:e4 inet6 fe80::217:a4ff:fe8d:33e8%bge0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 (ipv4 stuff) inet6 2a02:1823:1002:b1 prefixlen 120 (this is the static address) media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active I enabled inet6 rules and in /etc/pf.conf like this: pass in on $ext_if inet6 proto tcp from any to $ext_if port http pass out on $ext_if inet6 proto tcp all pass out on $ext_if inet6 proto icmp6 all icmp6-type echoreq keep state pass in on $ext_if inet6 proto icmp6 all icmp6-type echoreq Locally, ipv6 seemed to work OK as I could ping6 localhost and hostname. However, ipv6 connections from outside were still being blocked by pf, so I was trying to solve that issue. At one point, I did a 'ping6 ipv6.google.com', after which the machine dropped the ssh connection. I connected to the console using ILO, only to see it rebooting. It was writing vmcore.0 at that point, which I interrupted using ctr-c, since I was not sure how long it would take. Now I have those files in /var/crash: bounds info.0 minfree vmcore.0 info.0 contains: Dump header from device /dev/da0s1b Architecture: amd64 Architecture Version: 2 Dump Length: 1812742144B (1728 MB) Blocksize: 512 Dumptime: Wed Jun 8 12:56:40 2011 Hostname: server Magic: FreeBSD Kernel Dump Version String: FreeBSD 7.4-RELEASE #0: Fri Feb 18 01:55:22 UTC 2011 root@driscoll.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC Panic String: page fault Dump Parity: 2017522204 Bounds: 0 Dump Status: good The size of vmcore.0 is 767M. It is probably incomplete. In /var/log/messages I have: Jun 8 12:59:31 server savecore: reboot after panic: page fault Jun 8 12:59:31 server savecore: writing core to vmcore.0 I have not built a kernel locally, so will I be able to read the vmcore.0 using kgdb without local sources? Not sure if I can submit a PR for this either, thus I would like to learn more about this issue at first. I searched the freebsd bugs database, but found nothing really similar. Any help about how to handle this issue would be much appreciated. nick From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 8 15:30:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356FE106564A for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 15:30:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 043E58FC16 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 15:30:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so736608iwn.13 for ; Wed, 08 Jun 2011 08:30:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.207.148 with SMTP id fy20mr2520915ibb.186.1307547002339; Wed, 08 Jun 2011 08:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.231.13.139 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 08:30:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4DEF8C23.5010707@locolomo.org> References: <4DEF8C23.5010707@locolomo.org> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 11:30:02 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: GoVAv2MYuPU1Z8Ve_tNrGFNan10 Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Erik_N=F8rgaard?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "questions@FreeBSD.org Questions" Subject: Re: How to restrict jail's network access? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 15:30:04 -0000 On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Erik N=F8rgaard wr= ote: > Hi: > > I'm planning to move services to run in jails. Two jails: > > 1: Mail related: postfix, cyrus imap and openldap > 2: Web related: apache and postgresql > > No service should be able to connect out of the jail to remote hosts, exc= ept > for postfix that need to connect out to port 25 for delivery to other > domains. > Jails usually run in a private network by default, each has a private IP which is alias of the lo device In fact you usually have explictly NAT ports from the base system to the Ja= ils. Try EzJail (yep. easy piecy as it's name suggests) and check-out these references: http://erdgeist.org/arts/software/ezjail/ http://www.freebsddiary.org/ezjail.php http://www.scottro.net/qnd/qnd-ezjail.html http://www.bsdguides.org/guides/freebsd/security/manage_jails Best, -- Alejandro Imass P.S. you can always hire you initial set-up/training, I'm sure many here would be more than happy to do so ;-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 8 18:15:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6AAE106568B for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 18:15:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pwnedomina@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 575CA8FC1B for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 18:15:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwc33 with SMTP id 33so847827wwc.31 for ; Wed, 08 Jun 2011 11:15:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9a6dyVRRL+r9EAe1kU/wz0Rn8hr+tKxr5dpafkztphE=; b=G2fy3H3fbXub+RkES0ixa6WCMFrKGtCjZl2nq/Isgbf9ilywSkhOi4YE0dnluVtbQg ClKYxrwrOxtKe+db01mCILDG1pZZ6rYqSqxDQZy3fFwj7rXjQrJekzZ3V0ctr0vefhJ7 VXR4i0cTp6Mkw8aGxN7yrlSR3iRin7m/s5qVo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=nR3SQlYtUE2N01ENmjjwxvYXISwDMYtaDcu+zukLgZvGtPOeYlaF5D4IfQ3nZoHymc awJK+1NZyfxmnH4vs8gaanExgESt5EJMSZS05AqrUiLf2airrex7u2sBv3tsr3UBTzZe uUQI8oK8RpiPehIdXzEzJaBKhb7fNQIOcwQmQ= Received: by 10.227.172.206 with SMTP id m14mr126397wbz.29.1307556910021; Wed, 08 Jun 2011 11:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.71] (bl16-116-147.dsl.telepac.pt [188.81.116.147]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gb6sm612062wbb.0.2011.06.08.11.15.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 08 Jun 2011 11:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4DEFBC30.2040102@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 19:15:12 +0100 From: pwnedomina User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: root-portal compilation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 18:15:11 -0000 There is no port for root-portal, i've tried to compile it manually without success. While trying to compile root-portal I get this error: process.h:59: error: extra qualification 'Procchange::' on member 'updated' *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/home/user/root-portal-0.5.2/src/modules/process. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/home/user/root-portal-0.5.2/src/modules. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/home/user/root-portal-0.5.2/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/home/user/root-portal-0.5.2. Can someone reproduce the same problem? I've tried to patch it using thishttp://old.nabble.com/Bug-358277:-FTBFS-with-G++-4.1:-extra-qualification-p3525146.html but I still get errors... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 8 19:57:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1233) id 813811065674; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 19:57:05 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 19:57:05 +0000 From: Alexander Best To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110608195705.GA60747@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: problem with german umlauts and gtk apps (maybe unicode issue) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 19:57:05 -0000 hi there, for me the output of `locale -a` looks like this: LANG=en_GB.ISO8859-15 LC_CTYPE=de_DE.ISO8859-15 LC_COLLATE="en_GB.ISO8859-15" LC_TIME=de_DE.ISO8859-15 LC_NUMERIC=de_DE.ISO8859-15 LC_MONETARY=de_DE.ISO8859-15 LC_MESSAGES="en_GB.ISO8859-15" LC_ALL= when i do `touch ÄÖÜäöüß` this works great. i can see the correct characters under the console, X term and in gtk file dialogs. *however* when i save a file via the gtk save dialog (lets say from within chromium), the filename only gets displayed correctly in the gtk open dialog. saving a file "ÄÖÜäöüß.html" from chromium's gtk dialog returns the following under the console or an X term: otaku% ls|grep html|hd 00000000 c3 84 c3 96 c3 9c c3 a4 c3 b6 c3 bc c3 9f 2e 68 |Ã.Ã.Ã.äöüÃ..h| 00000010 74 6d 6c 0a |tml.| 00000014 when i start gnome and use the open dialog both the `touch`ed "ÄÖÜäöüß" file as well as the "ÄÖÜäöüß.html" saved by chromium looks fine. is gtk maybe switching to unicode when saving non-asciichars, instead to ISO8859-15? however when it accesses a filename it can understand unicode as well as ISO8859-15? can i instruct gtk to always use ISO8859-15 when saving filenames? cheers. alex -- a13x From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 8 20:19:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90219106564A for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 20:19:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout022.mac.com (asmtpout022.mac.com [17.148.16.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E118FC19 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 20:19:05 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp022.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LMH00FV6N2YFJ00@asmtp022.mac.com>; Wed, 08 Jun 2011 13:18:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-06-08_08:2011-06-08, 2011-06-08, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1106080153 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <20110608195705.GA60747@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 13:18:34 -0700 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: References: <20110608195705.GA60747@freebsd.org> To: Alexander Best X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with german umlauts and gtk apps (maybe unicode issue) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 20:19:05 -0000 On Jun 8, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Alexander Best wrote: > *however* when i save a file via the gtk save dialog (lets say from = within > chromium), the filename only gets displayed correctly in the gtk open = dialog. >=20 > saving a file "=C4=D6=DC=E4=F6=FC=DF.html" from chromium's gtk dialog = returns the following > under the console or an X term: >=20 > otaku% ls|grep html|hd=20 > 00000000 c3 84 c3 96 c3 9c c3 a4 c3 b6 c3 bc c3 9f 2e 68 = |=C3.=C3.=C3.=C3=80=C3=B6=C3=8C=C3..h| > 00000010 74 6d 6c 0a |tml.| > 00000014 That's a UTF-8 representation; c3 84 is Unicode U+00C4 aka "LATIN = CAPITAL LETTER A WITH DIAERESIS". =20 > when i start gnome and use the open dialog both the `touch`ed = "=C4=D6=DC=E4=F6=FC=DF" file as > well as the "=C4=D6=DC=E4=F6=FC=DF.html" saved by chromium looks fine. >=20 > is gtk maybe switching to unicode when saving non-asciichars, instead = to > ISO8859-15? however when it accesses a filename it can understand = unicode as > well as ISO8859-15? Yes, that appears to be the case. > can i instruct gtk to always use ISO8859-15 when saving filenames? Dunno. Fortunately, ISO 8859-15 can be stored on FreeBSD's UFS = filesystem without lossage-- other character sets can't since UFS = doesn't do Unicode per se, just UTF-8. Regards, --=20 -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 04:03:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9E60106564A for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 04:03:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACFA68FC16 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 04:03:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 55133E80616; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 17:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 17:56:59 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 24++ years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Subject: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 04:03:34 -0000 Well, people, It's been a long, long century. I've been down for 5 days. Couldn't understand _why_ I couldn't ping anywhere [expect the Server itself]. Finally, tho, it became more and more likely that my FreeBSD was fine ... even tho I kept stripping the most likely problem points. My large 16-port LinkSys router was either *it* or it was some kind of bug unknown to geekdom. After a friend bought me a new (and tiny) 8-port switch, yes! I could ping everywhere. I'm still bringing back the dozens of things I removed from ethic. And testing new ideas. But I have a general question: have any of you wizards who run your own domains or otherwise use a switch [or hub] *ever* had it just-quit?! It is solid-state. Yes, the box is within my feet/foot reach. I have accidently kicked it i suppose, but still. After wandering in the wilderness for 5 days, <>, dunno. gary PS: yes, this is a serious question. 1) I like things-Cisco, and LinkSys. I just bought this switch about 2.5 years ago, so I really am looking for feedback. PPS: Another question to ask about upgrading is next. -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 8.51a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 04:08:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AC361065675 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 04:08:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 462D18FC14 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 04:08:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 9279 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2011 04:08:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2011 04:08:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=a9HQudL5n8vEKc0Zc3JVh3zYbTZ670GATZ8908nQGDdqYPndfPIKHtnHWbSqgB7/Ial1q34KNJnZ1oYuAPuINkHwqFrOwJv2grXBzqc426tQGmy+MlbgcmkypzXVeC/O; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QUWXM-0007Ya-Ld for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 08 Jun 2011 22:08:05 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 08 Jun 2011 21:53:13 -0600 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 21:53:13 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20110609035313.GA30448@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Mailing List References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Cc: Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 04:08:06 -0000 --Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 05:56:59PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: >=20 > I'm still bringing back the dozens of things I removed from ethic. > And testing new ideas. But I have a general question: have any of > you wizards who run your own domains or otherwise use a switch [or > hub] *ever* had it just-quit?! It is solid-state. Yes, the box is > within my feet/foot reach. I have accidently kicked it i suppose, > but still. =20 I think I've just had ports die one by one on a switch until it no longer worked. I don't think I've ever had the whole thing go poof for no evident reason. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk3wQ6kACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXz1QCgqv5UJLPs7v4m9Dg9K74ykAeX QjwAn3ACmZD8IXeQHQG19pnLvAWs6Nnj =uHWz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 04:19:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67F18106564A for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 04:19:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from wave.radel.com (wave.radel.com [216.143.151.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27A2B8FC12 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 04:19:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.1.6) with PIPE id 10211658; Thu, 09 Jun 2011 00:19:10 -0400 Received: from [192.168.43.232] (account jon@radel.com HELO gravenstein.local) by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.6) with ESMTP-TLS id 10211656 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2011 00:18:52 -0400 Message-ID: <4DF049AC.3050403@radel.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 00:18:52 -0400 From: Jon Radel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> <20110609035313.GA30448@guilt.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20110609035313.GA30448@guilt.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Radel.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Jon for more information X-Radel.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 04:19:11 -0000 On 6/8/11 11:53 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 05:56:59PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: >> >> I'm still bringing back the dozens of things I removed from ethic. >> And testing new ideas. But I have a general question: have any of >> you wizards who run your own domains or otherwise use a switch [or >> hub] *ever* had it just-quit?! It is solid-state. Yes, the box is >> within my feet/foot reach. I have accidently kicked it i suppose, >> but still. > > I think I've just had ports die one by one on a switch until it no longer > worked. I don't think I've ever had the whole thing go poof for no > evident reason. > Ditto. Most recently a Cisco switch had a rather useful port go into a really weird state that didn't really look broken but bits just...weren't....flowing. Took a while, and a lot of poking at the server in question, before we looked at each other and said, "Wait, we've been assuming the switch works, what if it isn't." BTW, Gary, Linksys=Cisco is pretty much just a marketing thing and not a technology thing. --Jon Radel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 05:21:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951EB1065688 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 05:21:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C3EC8FC0C for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 05:21:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4B2CCE8050A; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 22:21:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 22:21:13 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Jon Radel Message-ID: <20110609052113.GA4291@thought.org> References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> <20110609035313.GA30448@guilt.hydra> <4DF049AC.3050403@radel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4DF049AC.3050403@radel.com> Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 24++ years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 05:21:17 -0000 On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 12:18:52AM -0400, Jon Radel wrote: > Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 00:18:52 -0400 > From: Jon Radel > Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer > > > On 6/8/11 11:53 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > >On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 05:56:59PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > >> > >>I'm still bringing back the dozens of things I removed from ethic. > >>And testing new ideas. But I have a general question: have any of > >>you wizards who run your own domains or otherwise use a switch [or > >>hub] *ever* had it just-quit?! It is solid-state. Yes, the box is > >>within my feet/foot reach. I have accidently kicked it i suppose, > >>but still. > > > >I think I've just had ports die one by one on a switch until it no longer > >worked. I don't think I've ever had the whole thing go poof for no > >evident reason. > > > > Ditto. Most recently a Cisco switch had a rather useful port go > into a really weird state that didn't really look broken but bits > just...weren't....flowing. Took a while, and a lot of poking at the > server in question, before we looked at each other and said, "Wait, > we've been assuming the switch works, what if it isn't." Hm. WEll, I suppose stranger things have happened. If Chad has had his switch drop connections one-by-one---well, news to me! I figured, hey, solid- state will work forever and 20 years, whichever comes first. ... > > BTW, Gary, Linksys=Cisco is pretty much just a marketing thing and > not a technology thing. Sure. But I've had luck++ with LinkSys for years, even before Cisco bought them out. --My new switch is an LG. See what happens. ... . > > --Jon Radel > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 8.51a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 05:35:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E4FB1065672 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 05:35:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 028688FC17 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 05:35:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9436FE8050A; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 22:35:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 22:35:08 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20110609053505.GA4622@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 24++ years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Subject: sendmail || mail and SpamAssassin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 05:35:09 -0000 This is the other question: how do I get the builtin SpanAssassin working? sendmail is working and I've built mail/p5-SpamAssassin [or whatever]. Still getting spam. Also, when /etc/mail/* starts up, on the console I notice a warning saying something like Can't find Xspamassassin All lower case after the first "X". I keep getting Spanish language spam message and other junk or spam. I just need to figure out howto get the builtin or the port that kills this krap. thanks for any insights, gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 8.51a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 05:49:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA03E106566C for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 05:49:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy4-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy4-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BA9BE8FC0C for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 05:49:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 12330 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2011 05:49:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2011 05:49:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=fG3jHblvYied6moFd4vfMsTtEqYwz7f4hwfeHWIy5TktsaWFCtn6BgvT5gdmK4sB/fx3xsSPW67ZTQy+iY+cJpwTLEhrZ7YbOsiorgb7m6KlF3u4/Cg3Lm28xr/QfRl1; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QUY7N-0002Kn-23 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2011 23:49:22 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 08 Jun 2011 23:34:30 -0600 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 23:34:30 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110609053430.GA30732@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> <20110609035313.GA30448@guilt.hydra> <4DF049AC.3050403@radel.com> <20110609052113.GA4291@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110609052113.GA4291@thought.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 05:49:23 -0000 --PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 10:21:13PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 12:18:52AM -0400, Jon Radel wrote: > > On 6/8/11 11:53 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > > > >I think I've just had ports die one by one on a switch until it no lon= ger > > >worked. I don't think I've ever had the whole thing go poof for no > > >evident reason. > >=20 > > Ditto. Most recently a Cisco switch had a rather useful port go > > into a really weird state that didn't really look broken but bits > > just...weren't....flowing. Took a while, and a lot of poking at the > > server in question, before we looked at each other and said, "Wait, > > we've been assuming the switch works, what if it isn't." >=20 > Hm. WEll, I suppose stranger things have happened. If Chad has > had his switch drop connections one-by-one---well, news to me! > I figured, hey, solid- state will work forever and 20 years, > whichever comes first. ... I've had it happen with no fewer than three switches. I've also seen an "enterprise" class Netgear switch issue a "death scream" of some sort over the network at the moment the fiber optic cable was removed from it, crashing the BigIron switch that ran the data center. =2E . . but Cisco switches are overpriced crap. We were disconnecting the Netgear to replace it with a Cisco that offered a lot more functionality, and administration turned out to be a fucking nightmare with that thing. It's like replacing Postfix with MS Exchange because you want integrated calendaring and all the other crap in the BusinessWeek full-page ad, then finding out that you basically need a full-time employee just to manage that one server. > >=20 > > BTW, Gary, Linksys=3DCisco is pretty much just a marketing thing and > > not a technology thing. >=20 > Sure. But I've had luck++ with LinkSys for years, even before > Cisco bought them out. --My new switch is an LG. See what > happens. ... . In my (limited) experience, Linksys actually got more annoying after Cisco bought out the company. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk3wW2YACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUBdQCggxTpLmvCZfNmJlmX2w3oVKUA LicAoMmIIfuQwUFzFDBNOjIRZT5Esv1c =c7bI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 06:15:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE0F106566C for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 06:15:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1087F8FC1E for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 06:15:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-63-204.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.63.204]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 689A43CD12; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 08:15:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p596F5CX001551; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 08:15:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 08:15:05 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Alexander Best Message-Id: <20110609081505.e387a1d9.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110608195705.GA60747@freebsd.org> References: <20110608195705.GA60747@freebsd.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with german umlauts and gtk apps (maybe unicode issue) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 06:15:09 -0000 On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 19:57:05 +0000, Alexander Best wrote: > otaku% ls|grep html|hd > 00000000 c3 84 c3 96 c3 9c c3 a4 c3 b6 c3 bc c3 9f 2e 68 |Ã.Ã.Ã.ÀöÌÃ..h| > 00000010 74 6d 6c 0a |tml.| > 00000014 > [...] > is gtk maybe switching to unicode when saving non-asciichars, instead to > ISO8859-15? Yes, it looks that way. You _could_ try to use the traditional ("non-european") settings: setenv LC_ALL en_US.ISO8859-1 setenv LC_MESSAGES en_US.ISO8859-1 setenv LC_COLLATE de_DE.ISO8859-1 setenv LC_CTYPE de_DE.ISO8859-1 setenv LC_MONETARY de_DE.ISO8859-1 setenv LC_NUMERIC de_DE.ISO8859-1 setenv LC_TIME de_DE.ISO8859-1 (I set them per /ect/csh.cshrc systemwide, and don't set $LANG). The downside is that there is no Euro symbol with this setting, but nobody needs that. :-) > however when it accesses a filename it can understand unicode as > well as ISO8859-15? I would assume that as ISO-Umlauts and UTF-Umlauts have different byte representation, (iso)öäü.html and (utf)öäü.html would be different file names, so files with "the same" file name would be possible. > can i instruct gtk to always use ISO8859-15 when saving filenames? As I'm not a Gnome user, I can't be specific on that question. Maybe there is a setting available through the gconf tool? A workaround, of course NOT a solution, is to NOT use non-standard characters in file names. I have trained my kids... erm users. Users! :-) to exactly do that, so there won't be problems in file name representation. And only lowercase. And no spaces. If you use, for example, das_uebel_vom_fasz.html instead of "Das Ãœbel vom Faß.html", you don't need to care for character representation (as everything will always be ASCII). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 06:30:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C47A106564A for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 06:30:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rendaw@zarbosoft.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E24138FC0A for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 06:30:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.64] (rrcs-74-87-85-100.west.biz.rr.com [74.87.85.100]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M864P-1PZihp0Vgf-00vhI9; Thu, 09 Jun 2011 02:17:25 -0400 Message-ID: <4DF06569.9070900@zarbosoft.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 01:17:13 -0500 From: rendaw User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.7) Gecko/20100720 Lanikai/3.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:K6U2tM7y0fJbRW/RU+PidiWbh8GU353PUDTQX88sghc s3YYch12is8fUZr6eCKBQcO6/tEQ36HYtCEBiBz9CtVQ+t6uNy BTyqev237B87syfzR6LqavPWN3V4wgAcZKbLksM4bNdsJCwmEe aCo6uiulmOex5+kpL0N3eMUmZAbWk06TjJP9t2UA3E5P18K7MJ cI7KfPAzyRnsKvF1lozhIBk1doyeyUj8AbvqFIw+OQ= Subject: Re: Intermittent pauses copying from one usb drive to another X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 06:30:02 -0000 Referencing http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-usb/2011-February/009950.html I'm not sure the best way to go about referencing old threads, but I hope this is acceptable. I'm having the same issue with two 3.5" drives in USB 2.0 enclosures operating in USB 1 mode. Like the OP, I see write activity for 1-5 seconds followed by 1-2 minutes of no activity (I get the same vmstat output). Unlike the OP, I get no error messages in /var/log/messages. I get the same behavior copying files from a local server both scp'ing and tar-over-ssh'ing. Doing tcpdump shows the network traffic completely stop for those pause periods as well (other than some dns or arp or something chatter every once and a while). I did try it on a linux box (just because it was handy) and I got full 1 mb/s speeds with dd (dd if=/dev/whatever of=/dev/null). I get around 800kb/s on FreeBSD doing the same test on either drive. I have the two drives in a ZFS raidz setup, but "top" says I have around 400 of 512mb ram free and the about 2.0 ghz processor is more or less completely unloaded. I tried the same scp to the linux box's internal drive and got no pausing, so I don't think it's an scp/server issue. Assuming this isn't caused by drive message incompatibility, is there some other configuration that could be wrong? Are there some other diagnostics I could try? Thank you very much, Andrew Baxter From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 06:42:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B211065674 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 06:42:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 782E28FC1B for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 06:42:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-63-204.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.63.204]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D4733CCA4; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 08:42:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p596grBO001633; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 08:42:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 08:42:53 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Chuck Swiger Message-Id: <20110609084253.04d42e78.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20110608195705.GA60747@freebsd.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with german umlauts and gtk apps (maybe unicode issue) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 06:42:55 -0000 On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 13:18:34 -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote: > Fortunately, ISO 8859-15 can be stored on FreeBSD's UFS > filesystem without lossage-- other character sets can't > since UFS doesn't do Unicode per se, just UTF-8. Storing is one thing, correct displaying is the other. As Alexander mentioned, display for 8851-1 and -15 even work in text mode console (using cons25l1) in terms of Umlauts and Eszett. The "speciality" of -15, the Euro symbol, won't be displayed if I remember correctly. Maybe the "currency symbol" (squished bug) will be used instead? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 07:55:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7C3106564A for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 07:55:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thciobanu@nth.ro) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19A4D8FC0C for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 07:55:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so648967ewy.13 for ; Thu, 09 Jun 2011 00:55:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.102.197 with SMTP id h5mr680997ebo.113.1307604690143; Thu, 09 Jun 2011 00:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.17.7 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 00:31:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [91.199.104.3] In-Reply-To: <20110609052113.GA4291@thought.org> References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> <20110609035313.GA30448@guilt.hydra> <4DF049AC.3050403@radel.com> <20110609052113.GA4291@thought.org> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:31:30 +0300 Message-ID: From: Theodor Ciobanu Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 07:55:15 -0000 On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 22:21:13 -0700 Gary Kline wrote: > I figured, hey, solid- state will work forever and 20 years, > whichever comes first. ... Unfortunately, from experience, no moving parts (if that's what you mean my solid-state; if not, disregard the rest of this mail :) ) doesn't equal non-failure. Just a bit less likely to fail. PSUs still die on you, capacitors still "blow up", microchips still get fried if not properly cooled, flash memory "wears out" etc. I've had all sorts of switches die on me in strage ways, a couple of them the same way it happened to you (they suddenly refused to switch packets). Currently I'm in the middle of replacing three ProCurve switches (oldest one bought within a year) because the NVRAM became read-only all of a sudden. I really hope the service guys will be able to tell me what happened (if it was an environment issue, firmware bug, a bad batch of chips...). Regards, -- Theo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 08:21:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8807A106566B for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 08:21:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from f.bonnet@esiee.fr) Received: from hp9.esiee.fr (hp9.esiee.fr [147.215.1.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C28F8FC08 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 08:21:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [147.215.1.21] (lisa.esiee.fr [147.215.1.21]) by hp9.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE27514E94BE for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:20:35 +0200 (CEST) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.3.2 hp9.esiee.fr CE27514E94BE Message-ID: <4DF08287.4050004@esiee.fr> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 10:21:27 +0200 From: Frank Bonnet User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110424 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: make one partition with two existing ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 08:21:28 -0000 Hello I have a raid 5 array ( HP hardware managed ) that contains the following partitions -- Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/aacd0s1a 1.9G 306M 1.5G 17% / devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev /dev/aacd0s1g 10G 7.2M 9.3G 0% /tmp /dev/aacd0s1e 609G 559G 1.5G 100% /mnt /dev/aacd0s1d 97G 12G 77G 14% /usr /dev/aacd0s1f 610G 5.3G 556G 1% /var What I would like to do is 1 - delete the /mnt partition 2 - extend the /var partition with the free space left by /mnt Is it faisable without destroying the /var data ? Thanks a lot Frank BONNET 01.45.92.66.17 Service des Moyens Informatiques Generaux ESIEE PARIS Cité Descartes / BP 99 93162 NOISY-LE-GRAND Cedex http://www.esiee.fr From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 08:31:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD1F1065672 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 08:31:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E4BD8FC12 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 08:31:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-63-204.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.63.204]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC5433C9BF; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:31:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p598VfS5001993; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:31:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:31:40 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Frank Bonnet Message-Id: <20110609103140.a942bea7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4DF08287.4050004@esiee.fr> References: <4DF08287.4050004@esiee.fr> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make one partition with two existing ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 08:31:43 -0000 On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 10:21:27 +0200, Frank Bonnet wrote: > Hello > > I have a raid 5 array ( HP hardware managed ) that contains the > following partitions > > -- Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/aacd0s1a 1.9G 306M 1.5G 17% / > devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev > /dev/aacd0s1g 10G 7.2M 9.3G 0% /tmp > /dev/aacd0s1e 609G 559G 1.5G 100% /mnt > /dev/aacd0s1d 97G 12G 77G 14% /usr > /dev/aacd0s1f 610G 5.3G 556G 1% /var > > What I would like to do is > > 1 - delete the /mnt partition > 2 - extend the /var partition with the free space left by /mnt > > Is it faisable without destroying the /var data ? Shpuld be possible in few steps. 1. Unmount /var and dump its content, e. g. # umount /var # dump -0a -f /usr/var.dump /dev/aacd0s1f If you can't unmount /var, see "man dump" for the -L option. 2. Delete the /dev/aacd0s1e and /dev/aacd0s1f partition, e. g. using sysinsall. 3. Create a new partition /dev/aacd0s1e with the size of the former /dev/aacd0s1e + /dev/aacd0s1f, e. g. using sysinstall or bsdlabel. 4. Initialize the new partition /dev/aacd0s1e, e. g. # newfs -U /dev/aacd0s1e Use further tunefs commands if required. 5. Mount it and restore from dump. # mount /dev/aacd0s1e /var # cd /var # restore -r -f /usr/var.dump Finally you can remove /usr/var.dump. And make a change to /etc/fstab for the new setting. The whole work is best done in single user mode so there won't be requests for writing things to /var. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 08:49:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119FE106566C for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 08:49:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from f.bonnet@esiee.fr) Received: from hp9.esiee.fr (hp9.esiee.fr [147.215.1.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF9218FC14 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 08:49:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [147.215.1.21] (lisa.esiee.fr [147.215.1.21]) by hp9.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63A2F14E94A3 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:48:40 +0200 (CEST) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.3.2 hp9.esiee.fr 63A2F14E94A3 Message-ID: <4DF0891B.3070708@esiee.fr> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 10:49:31 +0200 From: Frank Bonnet User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110424 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4DF08287.4050004@esiee.fr> <20110609103140.a942bea7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110609103140.a942bea7.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: make one partition with two existing ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 08:49:33 -0000 On 06/09/2011 10:31 AM, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 10:21:27 +0200, Frank Bonnet wrote: >> Hello >> >> I have a raid 5 array ( HP hardware managed ) that contains the >> following partitions >> >> -- Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on >> /dev/aacd0s1a 1.9G 306M 1.5G 17% / >> devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev >> /dev/aacd0s1g 10G 7.2M 9.3G 0% /tmp >> /dev/aacd0s1e 609G 559G 1.5G 100% /mnt >> /dev/aacd0s1d 97G 12G 77G 14% /usr >> /dev/aacd0s1f 610G 5.3G 556G 1% /var >> >> What I would like to do is >> >> 1 - delete the /mnt partition >> 2 - extend the /var partition with the free space left by /mnt >> >> Is it faisable without destroying the /var data ? > Shpuld be possible in few steps. > > 1. Unmount /var and dump its content, e. g. > # umount /var > # dump -0a -f /usr/var.dump /dev/aacd0s1f > > If you can't unmount /var, see "man dump" for the -L option. > > 2. Delete the /dev/aacd0s1e and /dev/aacd0s1f partition, e. g. > using sysinsall. > > 3. Create a new partition /dev/aacd0s1e with the size of the > former /dev/aacd0s1e + /dev/aacd0s1f, e. g. using sysinstall > or bsdlabel. > > 4. Initialize the new partition /dev/aacd0s1e, e. g. > # newfs -U /dev/aacd0s1e > Use further tunefs commands if required. > > 5. Mount it and restore from dump. > # mount /dev/aacd0s1e /var > # cd /var > # restore -r -f /usr/var.dump > > Finally you can remove /usr/var.dump. And make a change to > /etc/fstab for the new setting. > > The whole work is best done in single user mode so there > won't be requests for writing things to /var. > > > > > Thanks a lot ! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 08:55:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7698106564A for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 08:55:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85C6F8FC18 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 08:55:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so1334853wyf.13 for ; Thu, 09 Jun 2011 01:55:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.132.210 with SMTP id c18mr509870wbt.44.1307609757366; Thu, 09 Jun 2011 01:55:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m8sm1048777wbh.11.2011.06.09.01.55.56 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 09 Jun 2011 01:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4DF08A9B.2040100@my.gd> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 10:55:55 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4DEFBC30.2040102@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4DEFBC30.2040102@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: root-portal compilation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 08:55:59 -0000 On 6/8/11 8:15 PM, pwnedomina wrote: > There is no port for root-portal, i've tried to compile it manually > without success. While trying to compile root-portal I get this error: > process.h:59: error: extra qualification 'Procchange::' on member 'updated' > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/home/user/root-portal-0.5.2/src/modules/process. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/home/user/root-portal-0.5.2/src/modules. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/home/user/root-portal-0.5.2/src. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/home/user/root-portal-0.5.2. > > Can someone reproduce the same problem? I've tried to patch it using > thishttp://old.nabble.com/Bug-358277:-FTBFS-with-G++-4.1:-extra-qualification-p3525146.html > > but I still get errors... > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hi, While I haven't tried to reproduce your problem, if I were you I would post: - my version of freebsd - my version of gcc Just saying ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 11:00:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71CF8106564A for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 11:00:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from btillman99@yahoo.com) Received: from nm7-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm7-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 04ADF8FC08 for ; 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charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 11:00:13 -0000 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Gary Kline =0ATo: FreeBSD Mailing List =0ASe= nt: Wed, June 8, 2011 8:56:59 PM=0ASubject: Long Day's Journey into = =0A=0A=0AWell, people, =0A=0AIt's been a long, long century.=A0 I've been d= own for 5 days.=0ACouldn't understand _why_ I couldn't ping anywhere [expec= t the=0AServer itself].=A0 Finally, tho, it became more and more likely tha= t=0Amy FreeBSD was fine ... even tho I kept stripping the most likely=0Apro= blem points.=A0 My large 16-port LinkSys router was either *it* or=0Ait was= some kind of bug unknown to geekdom.=A0 After a friend bought=0Ame a new (= and tiny) 8-port switch, yes!=A0 I could ping everywhere.=A0 =0A=0AI'm stil= l bringing back the dozens of things I removed from ethic.=0AAnd testing ne= w ideas.=A0 But I have a general question: have any of=0Ayou wizards who ru= n your own domains or otherwise use a switch [or=0Ahub] *ever* had it just-= quit?!=A0 It is solid-state.=A0 Yes, the box is=0Awithin my feet/foot reach= .=A0 I have accidently kicked it i suppose,=0Abut still.=A0 =0A=0AAfter wan= dering in the wilderness for 5 days, <>, dunno.=A0 =0A=0Agary=0A=0APS= : yes, this is a serious question.=A0 1) I like things-Cisco, and =0ALinkSy= s.=A0 I just bought this switch about 2.5 years ago, so I really=0Aam looki= ng for feedback.=0A=0APPS:=A0 Another question to ask about upgrading is ne= xt.=0A=0A=0A-- =0AGary Kline=A0 kline@thought.org=A0 http://www.thought.org= =A0 Public Service Unix=0A=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Bo= ok: http://www.thought.org=0A=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 The 8.51a release of Jotti= ngs: http://jottings.thought.org=0A=0A_____________________________________= __________=0Afreebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list=0Ahttp://lists.free= bsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions=0ATo unsubscribe, send any mail = to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"=0A=0A=0A=0AGood to hear you'= re back on line. But to answer your question about parts going =0Abad. I ha= ven't had much go bad on me in the last 10 years but back in the 1990's =0A= when I was doing pure IT work and was making lots of purchases of parts I d= id. =0ANow you have to remember that back then a 28.8 modem cost $375 and c= ell phones =0Awere only in the hands of the very rich and very important. I= could buy parts =0Aand sometimes find them defective out of the box. Other= s would work fine.=0A=0AToday, I haven't bought many new components because= everything is working. My =0Aswitch has been operating fine for the last f= ive years. I replaced my FreeBSD =0Asever a few years ago. It was a P166 wi= th 96MB RAM and it had been running =0Aalmost non-stop, 24/7 for 12 years. = But then I had another machine right next to =0Ait that I built in 2002 and= it whimped out only a couple of years later and I =0Ahardly ever ran that = machine. =0A=0A=0AIn today's world, I would say that the majority of the pa= rts you buy will be =0Agood to go, but that's why parts only come with a 90= or 1 year warranty. The =0Amanufacturers know when to back off their guara= ntees on electronic components.=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 11:16:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113D4106564A for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 11:16:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C9728FC1D for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 11:16:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.homeip.net (c80-217-64-49.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.64.49]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p59BGIrM020627; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 13:16:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Message-ID: <4DF0AB82.5090109@bah.homeip.net> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 13:16:18 +0200 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; sv-SE; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110508 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexander Best References: <20110608195705.GA60747@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20110608195705.GA60747@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with german umlauts and gtk apps (maybe unicode issue) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 11:16:24 -0000 2011-06-08 21:57, Alexander Best skrev: > hi there, Hallo > for me the output of `locale -a` looks like this: > > LANG=en_GB.ISO8859-15 > LC_CTYPE=de_DE.ISO8859-15 > LC_COLLATE="en_GB.ISO8859-15" > LC_TIME=de_DE.ISO8859-15 > LC_NUMERIC=de_DE.ISO8859-15 > LC_MONETARY=de_DE.ISO8859-15 > LC_MESSAGES="en_GB.ISO8859-15" > LC_ALL= What is the reason for setting that? I only set this in the .login_conf; me:\ :charset=iso-8859-1:\ :lang=sv_SE.ISO8859-1: And all is fine and dandy, except gqview only understands utf-8 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 11:21:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB72106564A for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 11:21:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 137E78FC1F for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 11:21:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-63-204.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.63.204]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAFB31E2B0; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 13:21:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p59BLnNR002417; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 13:21:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 13:21:49 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Bernt Hansson Message-Id: <20110609132149.77846282.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4DF0AB82.5090109@bah.homeip.net> References: <20110608195705.GA60747@freebsd.org> <4DF0AB82.5090109@bah.homeip.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with german umlauts and gtk apps (maybe unicode issue) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 11:21:53 -0000 On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 13:16:18 +0200, Bernt Hansson wrote: > 2011-06-08 21:57, Alexander Best skrev: > > hi there, > > Hallo > > > for me the output of `locale -a` looks like this: > > > > LANG=en_GB.ISO8859-15 > > LC_CTYPE=de_DE.ISO8859-15 > > LC_COLLATE="en_GB.ISO8859-15" > > LC_TIME=de_DE.ISO8859-15 > > LC_NUMERIC=de_DE.ISO8859-15 > > LC_MONETARY=de_DE.ISO8859-15 > > LC_MESSAGES="en_GB.ISO8859-15" > > LC_ALL= > > What is the reason for setting that? The reason is to have finer control over certain language aspects. For example, if one wants to have collation and date specific settings for the german language, but english program messages, LC_* can be used to address things individually. LC_ALL sets _one_ definition for all aspects, and LANG... I think LANG will be used if LC_* aren't present... not fully sure. > I only set this in the .login_conf; > > me:\ > :charset=iso-8859-1:\ > :lang=sv_SE.ISO8859-1: > > And all is fine and dandy, except gqview only understands utf-8 I assume this does define LC_* / LANG variables? I know this setting is present in the system, but I never really used login.conf. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 11:40:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84E2A1065674 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 11:40:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reese@adeptscience.com) Received: from panther.adeptscience.co.uk (panther.adeptscience.co.uk [193.116.153.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E5488FC22 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 11:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.116] (dynamic-acs-24-144-175-206.zoominternet.net [24.144.175.206]) by panther.adeptscience.co.uk (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p59BM4eM041170; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 12:22:05 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from reese@adeptscience.com) From: reese@adeptscience.com To: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Gary Kline , FreeBSD Mailing List Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 07:21:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4DF0745E.5201.47FBA82A@reese.adeptscience.com> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <351894.26394.qm@web36508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Content-description: Mail message body Cc: Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 11:40:48 -0000 Not a switch but I have had a router and two PCs just die in the last year. I know the agony of having to restore things that weren't broken as I went through that with the router. I hate to have to fix things that I broke trying to find out what was broke, as bad as having to rewrite code after you have a working system and your drive fails without a backup. This to shall pass. Charlie On 9 Jun 2011 at 3:45, Bill Tillman wrote: > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Gary Kline > To: FreeBSD Mailing List > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 8:56:59 PM > Subject: Long Day's Journey into > > > Well, people, > > It's been a long, long century.=A0 I've been down for 5 days. > Couldn't understand _why_ I couldn't ping anywhere [expect the > Server itself].=A0 Finally, tho, it became more and more likely that > my FreeBSD was fine ... even tho I kept stripping the most likely > problem points.=A0 My large 16-port LinkSys router was either *it* or > it was some kind of bug unknown to geekdom.=A0 After a friend bought > me a new (and tiny) 8-port switch, yes!=A0 I could ping everywhere.=A0 > > I'm still bringing back the dozens of things I removed from ethic. > And testing new ideas.=A0 But I have a general question: have any of > you wizards who run your own domains or otherwise use a switch [or > hub] *ever* had it just-quit?!=A0 It is solid-state.=A0 Yes, the box is > within my feet/foot reach.=A0 I have accidently kicked it i suppose, > but still.=A0 > > After wandering in the wilderness for 5 days, <>, dunno.=A0 > > gary > > PS: yes, this is a serious question.=A0 1) I like things-Cisco, and > LinkSys.=A0 I just bought this switch about 2.5 years ago, so I really > am looking for feedback. > > PPS:=A0 Another question to ask about upgrading is next. > > > -- > Gary Kline=A0 kline@thought.org=A0 http://www.thought.org=A0 Public Serv= ice Unix > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.= org > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 The 8.51a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thoug= ht.org > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.= org" > > > > Good to hear you're back on line. But to answer your question about part= s going > bad. I haven't had much go bad on me in the last 10 years but back in th= e 1990's > when I was doing pure IT work and was making lots of purchases of parts = I did. > Now you have to remember that back then a 28.8 modem cost $375 and cell = phones > were only in the hands of the very rich and very important. I could buy = parts > and sometimes find them defective out of the box. Others would work fine= . > > Today, I haven't bought many new components because everything is workin= g. My > switch has been operating fine for the last five years. I replaced my Fr= eeBSD > sever a few years ago. It was a P166 with 96MB RAM and it had been runni= ng > almost non-stop, 24/7 for 12 years. But then I had another machine right= next to > it that I built in 2002 and it whimped out only a couple of years later = and I > hardly ever ran that machine. > > > In today's world, I would say that the majority of the parts you buy wil= l be > good to go, but that's why parts only come with a 90 or 1 year warranty.= The > manufacturers know when to back off their guarantees on electronic compo= nents. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.= org" > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 11:47:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F2171065670 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 11:47:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC1558FC17 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 11:47:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.homeip.net (c80-217-64-49.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.64.49]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p59Bl1Kv021012; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 13:47:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Message-ID: <4DF0B2B5.3050302@bah.homeip.net> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 13:47:01 +0200 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; sv-SE; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110508 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <20110608195705.GA60747@freebsd.org> <4DF0AB82.5090109@bah.homeip.net> <20110609132149.77846282.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110609132149.77846282.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with german umlauts and gtk apps (maybe unicode issue) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 11:47:05 -0000 2011-06-09 13:21, Polytropon skrev: > On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 13:16:18 +0200, Bernt Hansson wrote: >> 2011-06-08 21:57, Alexander Best skrev: >>> hi there, >> >> Hallo >> >>> for me the output of `locale -a` looks like this: >>> >>> LANG=en_GB.ISO8859-15 >>> LC_CTYPE=de_DE.ISO8859-15 >>> LC_COLLATE="en_GB.ISO8859-15" >>> LC_TIME=de_DE.ISO8859-15 >>> LC_NUMERIC=de_DE.ISO8859-15 >>> LC_MONETARY=de_DE.ISO8859-15 >>> LC_MESSAGES="en_GB.ISO8859-15" >>> LC_ALL= >> >> What is the reason for setting that? > > The reason is to have finer control over certain > language aspects. For example, if one wants to have > collation and date specific settings for the german > language, but english program messages, LC_* can be > used to address things individually. LC_ALL sets _one_ > definition for all aspects, and LANG... I think LANG > will be used if LC_* aren't present... not fully sure. > > > >> I only set this in the .login_conf; >> >> me:\ >> :charset=iso-8859-1:\ >> :lang=sv_SE.ISO8859-1: >> >> And all is fine and dandy, except gqview only understands utf-8 > > I assume this does define LC_* / LANG variables? It defines LANG=sv_SE.ISO8859-1 no LC* > I know this setting is present in the system, but I > never really used login.conf. :-) login.conf is system wide. .login_conf is not. Example from xterm %cal Juni 2011 Sö Må Ti On To Fr Lö 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 åäö From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 13:09:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08FB310657F7 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 13:09:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost1.waddell.com (mailhost1.waddell.com [67.130.252.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB4678FC18 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 13:09:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emlpfilt2.waddell.com (emlpfilt2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost1.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 650AB50DD8; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 08:09:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emlpfilt2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 58119578962; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 08:09:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com (wadphtcas0.waddell.com [192.168.203.229]) by emlpfilt2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4007E578968; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 08:09:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPMBXV0.waddell.com ([169.254.1.163]) by WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com ([192.168.203.229]) with mapi; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 08:09:08 -0500 From: Gary Gatten To: "'kline@thought.org'" , "'freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG'" Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 08:09:07 -0500 Thread-Topic: Long Day's Journey into Thread-Index: AcwmWlbaxkx+5UlcS/ytheR4duAxhwATBQIZ Message-ID: <15630_1307624948_4DF0C5F4_15630_82_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C4A2@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 13:09:09 -0000 $hit happens! Even with PERFECTLY clean power, things fail. Could take a = week or 10 years. That's why "enterprise" nets have redundant everything -= and there are still outages ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Kline [mailto:kline@thought.org] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 07:56 PM To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Long Day's Journey into Well, people,=20 It's been a long, long century. I've been down for 5 days. Couldn't understand _why_ I couldn't ping anywhere [expect the Server itself]. Finally, tho, it became more and more likely that my FreeBSD was fine ... even tho I kept stripping the most likely problem points. My large 16-port LinkSys router was either *it* or it was some kind of bug unknown to geekdom. After a friend bought me a new (and tiny) 8-port switch, yes! I could ping everywhere.=20=20 I'm still bringing back the dozens of things I removed from ethic. And testing new ideas. But I have a general question: have any of you wizards who run your own domains or otherwise use a switch [or hub] *ever* had it just-quit?! It is solid-state. Yes, the box is within my feet/foot reach. I have accidently kicked it i suppose, but still.=20=20 After wandering in the wilderness for 5 days, <>, dunno.=20=20 gary PS: yes, this is a serious question. 1) I like things-Cisco, and=20 LinkSys. I just bought this switch about 2.5 years ago, so I really am looking for feedback. PPS: Another question to ask about upgrading is next. --=20 Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 8.51a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 13:49:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E30261065675 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 13:49:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@midsummerdream.org) Received: from p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C1A238FC0A for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 13:49:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 3835 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2011 13:49:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (70.131.50.248) by p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (173.201.192.231) with ESMTP; 09 Jun 2011 13:49:39 -0000 Message-ID: <4DF0CF71.1090302@midsummerdream.org> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 08:49:37 -0500 From: Rob User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201106062239.14221.lobo@bsd.com.br> In-Reply-To: <201106062239.14221.lobo@bsd.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Virtualbox on 8.2 64-bit (cont) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lists@midsummerdream.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 13:49:40 -0000 On 6/6/11 8:39 PM, Mario Lobo wrote: > On Monday 06 June 2011 17:56:53 Rob wrote: >> I was attempting to install virtualbox on my 8.2-p2 64-bit system this >> weekend, and hit a rather curious situation. The pre-packaged version >> of virtualbox retrievable by pkg_add is 3.2.12 (which looks in >> ports/amd64/packages-8.2-release). Poking around on the ftp server, I >> see that packages-8.1-release also has a 3.x version, but >> packages-8-stable has the latest 4.0.8. >> >> I went to look in ports, which contains 4.0.8, and build it myself but I >> got an error saying I need to have the 32-bit libraries installed in >> order to build virtualbox. >> >> So, my question is 2-fold: >> 1) What is the reason the 64-bit pre-packaged version of virtualbox is >> still at the 3.x version? Would there be a problem with installing the >> packages (virtualbox and kernel module) from packages-8-stable? >> >> 2) How do I build virtualbox 4.0.8 on a 64-bit system w/o the 32-bit >> libs. Is that possible? Searching around has produced old e-mail >> threads indicating this was a problem as of 2 or so years ago with the >> 3.x release. If it's not possible to build w/o the 32-bit libs, what do >> I need to install? >> >> Rob > > > > You need to rebuild your kernel with > > > > options COMPAT_FREEBSD32 # Compatible with i386 binaries > > > > included. > > And as per the port's error message: > > cd /usr/src; make build32 install32; /etc/rc.d/ldconfig restart > I noticed that when I tried to build the ports, but I don't have anything in /usr/src and no information was given as to what packages/src I needed to install. I'd like to avoid diverging from the stock release kernel for upgrade simplicity. What exactly does that do? Will it introduce upgrade complexity (ie will I have to upgrade these libs before I upgrade the kernel or some such)? Rob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 14:10:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DE651065674 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 14:10:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pwnedomina@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91FA38FC13 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 14:10:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwc33 with SMTP id 33so1699753wwc.31 for ; Thu, 09 Jun 2011 07:10:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=H7/vXAp1OKVG8R2hgRPt/DQRRM+MDNdpqghfSXKUlS8=; b=UWdhguOhKnMmWjQh7UyDbN0s/FCGBL/zfsj8x2Ckwxeu3GZn+88Zm54VatI4oqhTwW QttJz7ingdiH4Vn4+qTPHj2uLpSMWZsDop7IxmkEOEX703tMjS95EZr2Fp38yYU96h8Z bilCkT2LQqsODcHRgoZ2uiMJWv4dE/Q6KH82M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Nh5FTLfl2ga7VLi2IixYmfe/9Jrpb3/7DN6N6+lvWtcAqT4ZbI3zKMwhApr216kywg Cct0kG5u+9PFnhw1NXGX4n0xhBFTEmJSyOMYfKQ3qxahLlHjiQYs17Nj49TtPSO7uQg2 0DPEkeP14MnhRC4lZNCiR+yj+VgAZlp7KTXE4= Received: by 10.227.206.14 with SMTP id fs14mr896546wbb.30.1307628650449; Thu, 09 Jun 2011 07:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.71] (bl16-116-147.dsl.telepac.pt [188.81.116.147]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fl19sm1256491wbb.15.2011.06.09.07.10.48 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 09 Jun 2011 07:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4DF0D46C.9060009@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 15:10:52 +0100 From: pwnedomina User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4DEFBC30.2040102@gmail.com> <4DF08A9B.2040100@my.gd> In-Reply-To: <4DF08A9B.2040100@my.gd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: root-portal compilation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 14:10:52 -0000 On 09-06-2011 09:55, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > > On 6/8/11 8:15 PM, pwnedomina wrote: >> There is no port for root-portal, i've tried to compile it manually >> without success. While trying to compile root-portal I get this error: >> process.h:59: error: extra qualification 'Procchange::' on member 'updated' >> *** Error code 1 >> >> Stop in /usr/home/user/root-portal-0.5.2/src/modules/process. >> *** Error code 1 >> >> Stop in /usr/home/user/root-portal-0.5.2/src/modules. >> *** Error code 1 >> >> Stop in /usr/home/user/root-portal-0.5.2/src. >> *** Error code 1 >> >> Stop in /usr/home/user/root-portal-0.5.2. >> >> Can someone reproduce the same problem? I've tried to patch it using >> thishttp://old.nabble.com/Bug-358277:-FTBFS-with-G++-4.1:-extra-qualification-p3525146.html >> >> but I still get errors... >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > Hi, > > > While I haven't tried to reproduce your problem, if I were you I would post: > > - my version of freebsd > - my version of gcc > > Just saying ;) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE Using built-in specs. Target: i386-undermydesk-freebsd Configured with: FreeBSD/i386 system compiler Thread model: posix gcc version 4.2.1 20070719 [FreeBSD] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 14:23:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41E97106564A for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 14:23:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mahan@mahan.org) Received: from ns.mahan.org (ns.mahan.org [67.116.10.138]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BCFA8FC13 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 14:23:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gypsy.mahan.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns.mahan.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p59E5ClW058987; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 07:05:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mahan@mahan.org) Message-ID: <4DF0D0C5.2080309@mahan.org> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 06:55:17 -0700 From: Patrick Mahan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Kline References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 14:23:22 -0000 On 6/8/11 5:56 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > > Well, people, > > It's been a long, long century. I've been down for 5 days. > Couldn't understand _why_ I couldn't ping anywhere [expect the > Server itself]. Finally, tho, it became more and more likely that > my FreeBSD was fine ... even tho I kept stripping the most likely > problem points. My large 16-port LinkSys router was either *it* or > it was some kind of bug unknown to geekdom. After a friend bought > me a new (and tiny) 8-port switch, yes! I could ping everywhere. > > I'm still bringing back the dozens of things I removed from ethic. > And testing new ideas. But I have a general question: have any of > you wizards who run your own domains or otherwise use a switch [or > hub] *ever* had it just-quit?! It is solid-state. Yes, the box is > within my feet/foot reach. I have accidently kicked it i suppose, > but still. > > After wandering in the wilderness for 5 days, <>, dunno. > > gary > > PS: yes, this is a serious question. 1) I like things-Cisco, and > LinkSys. I just bought this switch about 2.5 years ago, so I really > am looking for feedback. > > PPS: Another question to ask about upgrading is next. > > Gary, I have had to replace my linksys 8 port switch twice in the past 10 years I have been maintaining my own domain. In fact, when I have a "lost network connection" error, after verifying that it's not the computer, not the Wireless AP, then I look at this box. Most of the time a simple power cycle restores functionality. Yes it's more or less solid state, but it is busy 24/7 between my kids surfing, my job, my wife's research, the dvr updating, the iTouch's downloading apps, my smart phone receiving email, etc. Sometimes it just fails... And sometimes it just keeps chugging on, my Cisco 800 DSL modem is as old and aside from the initial setup and arguging with the DSL provider, it has been working for the same 10 years, no failures, just the occasional dslam drop that requires a reboot and I'm back online. Patrick From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 14:56:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E00C106566B for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 14:56:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jackoroses@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07DC18FC0A for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 14:56:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwc33 with SMTP id 33so1752219wwc.31 for ; Thu, 09 Jun 2011 07:56:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=YUHoWEs8ZnoeWR38H5YDyp226PJA/eUuXPj3pSPj3IA=; b=TrogLjxJmP/qoVRtuKtTLwPlvC4PK4Q3YyFG0UVtRZaOFheWIsieG5lGczyn6P41g4 5ENk9KGjaxVvxbwTDJSdCeWMQomXK93Ivob1C/kiksHvSVHeBJWXm4ScfE8XvLDTNGek WY0m8ZLtrUIvjq3YAzyXnWhS54EnAjwpZ9veI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=kECKhAkxdye1+SN8LvhM5uZ8iCOi85p6SK/dLqu+yoUBJ5Svzv8PO8SXSBRHICYs7W xJxTSQce7uyuJ52GoVaKr26acAZegbGlSTStkcY8CQX6XnznNbuaTp7pMAnHxMQozUpr hX6NRPFy+Ve2ytMd+cpd5ej00lLri1Zc2Ieq8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.6.219 with SMTP id a27mr888151wba.46.1307629527533; Thu, 09 Jun 2011 07:25:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.32.141 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 07:25:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <15630_1307624948_4DF0C5F4_15630_82_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C4A2@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> <15630_1307624948_4DF0C5F4_15630_82_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C4A2@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:25:27 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mike L To: Gary Gatten Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "kline@thought.org" , "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jackoroses@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 14:56:08 -0000 whats this have to do with freebsd questions? You seem to have a bad habit of spamming the mailing list with mundane BS. On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Gary Gatten wrote: > $hit happens! Even with PERFECTLY clean power, things fail. Could take a > week or 10 years. That's why "enterprise" nets have redundant everything - > and there are still outages ;) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gary Kline [mailto:kline@thought.org] > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 07:56 PM > To: FreeBSD Mailing List > Subject: Long Day's Journey into > > > Well, people, > > It's been a long, long century. I've been down for 5 days. > Couldn't understand _why_ I couldn't ping anywhere [expect the > Server itself]. Finally, tho, it became more and more likely that > my FreeBSD was fine ... even tho I kept stripping the most likely > problem points. My large 16-port LinkSys router was either *it* or > it was some kind of bug unknown to geekdom. After a friend bought > me a new (and tiny) 8-port switch, yes! I could ping everywhere. > > I'm still bringing back the dozens of things I removed from ethic. > And testing new ideas. But I have a general question: have any of > you wizards who run your own domains or otherwise use a switch [or > hub] *ever* had it just-quit?! It is solid-state. Yes, the box is > within my feet/foot reach. I have accidently kicked it i suppose, > but still. > > After wandering in the wilderness for 5 days, <>, dunno. > > gary > > PS: yes, this is a serious question. 1) I like things-Cisco, and > LinkSys. I just bought this switch about 2.5 years ago, so I really > am looking for feedback. > > PPS: Another question to ask about upgrading is next. > > > -- > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service > Unix > Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org > The 8.51a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > >
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i think the following output should give you a clue about my current settings in connection with the warnings. thanks in advance. alex otaku% limits Resource limits (current): cputime infinity secs filesize infinity kB datasize 33554432 kB stacksize 524288 kB coredumpsize infinity kB memoryuse infinity kB memorylocked infinity kB maxprocesses 5547 openfiles 11095 sbsize infinity bytes vmemoryuse infinity kB pseudo-terminals infinity swapuse infinity kB otaku% sysctl kern.ipc kern.ipc.maxsockbuf: 16777216 kern.ipc.sockbuf_waste_factor: 8 kern.ipc.somaxconn: 1024 kern.ipc.max_linkhdr: 40 kern.ipc.max_protohdr: 40 kern.ipc.max_hdr: 80 kern.ipc.max_datalen: 88 kern.ipc.nmbclusters: 25600 kern.ipc.nmbjumbop: 12800 kern.ipc.nmbjumbo9: 6400 kern.ipc.nmbjumbo16: 3200 kern.ipc.maxpipekva: 33157120 kern.ipc.pipekva: 884736 kern.ipc.pipefragretry: 0 kern.ipc.pipeallocfail: 0 kern.ipc.piperesizefail: 0 kern.ipc.piperesizeallowed: 1 kern.ipc.msgmax: 16384 kern.ipc.msgmni: 40 kern.ipc.msgmnb: 2048 kern.ipc.msgtql: 40 kern.ipc.msgssz: 8 kern.ipc.msgseg: 2048 kern.ipc.semmap: 30 kern.ipc.semmni: 50 kern.ipc.semmns: 340 kern.ipc.semmnu: 150 kern.ipc.semmsl: 340 kern.ipc.semopm: 100 kern.ipc.semume: 50 kern.ipc.semusz: 632 kern.ipc.semvmx: 32767 kern.ipc.semaem: 16384 kern.ipc.shmmax: 536870912 kern.ipc.shmmin: 1 kern.ipc.shmmni: 192 kern.ipc.shmseg: 128 kern.ipc.shmall: 131072 kern.ipc.shm_use_phys: 0 kern.ipc.shm_allow_removed: 0 kern.ipc.numopensockets: 189 kern.ipc.maxsockets: 25600 kern.ipc.nsfbufs: 0 kern.ipc.nsfbufspeak: 0 kern.ipc.nsfbufsused: 0 -- a13x From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 15:46:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1233) id C22941065672; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 15:46:23 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 15:46:23 +0000 From: Alexander Best To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20110609154623.GA92654@freebsd.org> References: <20110608195705.GA60747@freebsd.org> <20110609081505.e387a1d9.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20110609081505.e387a1d9.freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with german umlauts and gtk apps (maybe unicode issue) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 15:46:23 -0000 On Thu Jun 9 11, Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 19:57:05 +0000, Alexander Best wrote: > > otaku% ls|grep html|hd > > 00000000 c3 84 c3 96 c3 9c c3 a4 c3 b6 c3 bc c3 9f 2e 68 |Ã.Ã.Ã.äöüÃ..h| > > 00000010 74 6d 6c 0a |tml.| > > 00000014 > > [...] > > is gtk maybe switching to unicode when saving non-asciichars, instead to > > ISO8859-15? > > Yes, it looks that way. > > You _could_ try to use the traditional ("non-european") settings: > > setenv LC_ALL en_US.ISO8859-1 > setenv LC_MESSAGES en_US.ISO8859-1 > setenv LC_COLLATE de_DE.ISO8859-1 > setenv LC_CTYPE de_DE.ISO8859-1 > setenv LC_MONETARY de_DE.ISO8859-1 > setenv LC_NUMERIC de_DE.ISO8859-1 > setenv LC_TIME de_DE.ISO8859-1 > > (I set them per /ect/csh.cshrc systemwide, and don't set $LANG). > The downside is that there is no Euro symbol with this setting, > but nobody needs that. :-) > > > > > however when it accesses a filename it can understand unicode as > > well as ISO8859-15? > > I would assume that as ISO-Umlauts and UTF-Umlauts have > different byte representation, (iso)öäü.html and (utf)öäü.html > would be different file names, so files with "the same" > file name would be possible. > > > > > can i instruct gtk to always use ISO8859-15 when saving filenames? > > As I'm not a Gnome user, I can't be specific on that > question. Maybe there is a setting available through > the gconf tool? > > A workaround, of course NOT a solution, is to NOT use > non-standard characters in file names. I have trained > my kids... erm users. Users! :-) to exactly do that, so > there won't be problems in file name representation. > And only lowercase. And no spaces. If you use, for > example, das_uebel_vom_fasz.html instead of "Das Übel > vom Faß.html", you don't need to care for character > representation (as everything will always be ASCII). i think the problem is gtk. when i set LC_ALL=ISO8859-15, gimp complaints about it: (gimp:56139): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. Using the fallback 'C' locale. when i set it to lets say LC_ALL=de_DE.ISO8859-15 or LC_ALL=de_DE.ISO8859-1, it doesn't complain. so it recognises that locale. however for some reason it switches to UTF-8 when using chars like ö or ä, although they are perfectly valid chars for the locale i defined. this seems like a gtk bug imho. cheers. alex > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... -- a13x From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 17:05:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD5A106566C for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 17:05:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh1.interactivevillages.com (ca.2e.7bae.static.theplanet.com [174.123.46.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 143478FC0A for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 17:05:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 184-78-197-203.war.clearwire-wmx.net ([184.78.197.203] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh1.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QUifZ-0000oY-C1 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 09 Jun 2011 10:04:58 -0700 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 09 Jun 2011 10:05:19 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:05:19 -0700 From: Chip Camden To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20110609170519.GB42160@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Mailing List References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> <20110609035313.GA30448@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ghzN8eJ9Qlbqn3iT" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110609035313.GA30448@guilt.hydra> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh1.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 17:05:25 -0000 --ghzN8eJ9Qlbqn3iT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Chad Perrin on Wednesday, 08 June 2011: > On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 05:56:59PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > >=20 > > I'm still bringing back the dozens of things I removed from ethic. > > And testing new ideas. But I have a general question: have any of > > you wizards who run your own domains or otherwise use a switch [or > > hub] *ever* had it just-quit?! It is solid-state. Yes, the box is > > within my feet/foot reach. I have accidently kicked it i suppose, > > but still. =20 >=20 > I think I've just had ports die one by one on a switch until it no longer > worked. I don't think I've ever had the whole thing go poof for no > evident reason. >=20 > --=20 > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] I have, twice. Both times it was a Linksys switch, too. Just suddenly, no network. After the second one, I decided to switch (har) to a Netgear GS116. Haven't had any trouble with it so far (knocks on head), but I've only had it about a year. --=20 =2EO. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com =2E.O | sterling@camdensoftware.com | http://chipsquips.com OOO | 2048R/D6DBAF91 | http://chipstips.com --ghzN8eJ9Qlbqn3iT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJN8P1PAAoJEIpckszW26+RHXoH/1uuQSUjRRT4Cwjt0V8RyCdG l1w2gJ4JNCbyf5y4PuIAOqQOrnH+coWK4sU4DF6hzEyK+adG25LmLVwR4mQW3f5O yL7WbSa0MFfoGlHK+e71Yp7tIjs8fXDaKprPhtgF+e4zYpsUq+wByPgoko0vll64 wlWcCC0+tBzNpP4ckCg/863QjjXXWzO4kZE32FY2xJQ9AjsEyIWC1aM3V36hBig6 zX0KrY4BKZ8OZ/gw6W8kGzvBJFAppmEcrLUJ/1/oXDZrpQQIXF9d/JmGgt1p3wPw Y0x5V+7fySDtz9T9g0o9p8tSxZTGBYU+ZfmitqLxl6yBcl7a8tQxDIMM6lh5Wyo= =MI1G -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ghzN8eJ9Qlbqn3iT-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 17:08:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C9A106564A for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 17:08:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh1.interactivevillages.com (ca.2e.7bae.static.theplanet.com [174.123.46.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFA958FC18 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 17:08:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 184-78-197-203.war.clearwire-wmx.net ([184.78.197.203] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh1.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QUiiR-0001Qd-Ap for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2011 10:07:56 -0700 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 09 Jun 2011 10:08:17 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:08:17 -0700 From: Chip Camden To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110609170817.GC42160@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> <20110609035313.GA30448@guilt.hydra> <4DF049AC.3050403@radel.com> <20110609052113.GA4291@thought.org> <20110609053430.GA30732@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AkbCVLjbJ9qUtAXD" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110609053430.GA30732@guilt.hydra> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh1.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 17:08:23 -0000 --AkbCVLjbJ9qUtAXD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Chad Perrin on Wednesday, 08 June 2011: > >=20 > > Sure. But I've had luck++ with LinkSys for years, even before > > Cisco bought them out. --My new switch is an LG. See what > > happens. ... . >=20 > In my (limited) experience, Linksys actually got more annoying after > Cisco bought out the company. Ditto that. --=20 =2EO. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com =2E.O | sterling@camdensoftware.com | http://chipsquips.com OOO | 2048R/D6DBAF91 | http://chipstips.com --AkbCVLjbJ9qUtAXD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJN8P4BAAoJEIpckszW26+R3zgH/R3hvE3N4NZVcPaJ+kKEG1wM 64QrQLLd1f+X7oCWWLRTSpXT3LGE3w5QTFRdLC1tzCqxqmAoxYHVV0nfMh4ssurf ObhM5WCMFwkdZiGFt18U3sPgvvR4yrYDgK//YBGSyEt5QxNTTb2B1FAFQNV3Aq9c sGLADEXoVeBsqiRSAj9U9RGM0ahyHZTNS0YpcIkiQJdKDtezV7oYdRP7cPvV/sPC V4ONi7Yk7pMFjclSqC0ZTzMMScRvJgXUmNeuaoGCi0Dm/RSi9ibte+dc9+5Phkcs vAhiavqdPa+mbHFo2tFIAcIoicIE4qy7JzTjbWbkiYnyUAkvCimBz/GlfwEBi7Q= =ayP/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --AkbCVLjbJ9qUtAXD-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 18:08:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FF81065690 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 18:08:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from modulok@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yi0-f54.google.com (mail-yi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 037A68FC14 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 18:08:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yie13 with SMTP id 13so1468142yie.13 for ; Thu, 09 Jun 2011 11:08:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Yf2BNRHSN63yDj7nnAin4H2+IH1fzsjZIAuD/qFTtrA=; b=B7gb3f/YwqA5J0TeiXymPDy3VjvXWwBfntevW5fdikMrGQMbiTvWb4D1PkR3BAumBu KHk8wxK2LoR/ET/l73zg3xiaT7K2ClJ2kOsgTmd+fqaVf7oEc1aEKj891U2wTvuTUfdM Mc2Zz2HAUNrOIq3q5iQXL451pb6y6LASxC2qU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=jICHCA4hZlgrQ47KPp9LW9uivglQ1wG/BW8sYfnFsvyqziQjVPUKCgf9pUBVSPg0+S 4FBe5bGOLUJulG0hzB6vYe9CBLGwEaNjCxe8Hwhn0/zrTIrN3iXFGziWOArHU928YgJf DL6/ka5jsDr7FKLillNRIYMI0CBPOYXHx5epY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.56.25 with SMTP id e25mr1026451ana.11.1307642893140; Thu, 09 Jun 2011 11:08:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.174.2 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 11:08:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110609170519.GB42160@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> <20110609035313.GA30448@guilt.hydra> <20110609170519.GB42160@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 12:08:12 -0600 Message-ID: From: Modulok To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 18:08:14 -0000 >> But I have a general question: have any of >> you wizards who run your own domains or otherwise use a switch [or >> hub] *ever* had it just-quit?! It is solid-state. I've had a Linksys switch crap out. I've also had a Netgear switch die. In fact, there were three Netgear switches that died within a few months of each other. At first they would simply lock up at random. After that they didn't work at all. We later discovered it was a capacitor problem. (Google 'capacitor plague'.) We replaced it with a HP ProCurve switch a few years ago and it has been rock solid ever since. My only complaint is the proCurve has a very inaccurate internal clock, but that is easily remedied by configuring ntpd on it. So yeah, even solid state stuff can die! -Modulok- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 18:25:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A5DB106564A for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 18:25:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forward1.mail.yandex.net (forward1.mail.yandex.net [77.88.46.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0E98FC08 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 18:25:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp2.mail.yandex.net (smtp2.mail.yandex.net [77.88.46.102]) by forward1.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 079A01247A5E for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 22:25:02 +0400 (MSD) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1307643902; bh=3Smyr9ZOhCm81esrm4swnFR9wyTqftjQkVpsNvlJ1/8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YxU05pj6hEZ1whMgqbZPYnzbf9/iVv9kagumarupFnOi1o7UkNCShOwpe2ma07mSG gwQyFiG4I8RqOZRXYr6wXMwzkJ7d7q8j7Sm9uFI+0lMJGbhtUw0aJmBd5qfUnH5pWx RG85NOhDC8d5l4wRULL3mOzbD2zMQBzzpUHhP/0o= Received: from HOMEUSER (unknown [77.93.52.4]) by smtp2.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTPA id B87435D1008F for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 22:25:01 +0400 (MSD) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 21:24:56 +0300 From: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: =?windows-1251?B?188gyu7t/Oru4iwgRnJlZUxpbmU=?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1577821093.20110609212456@yandex.ru> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Yandex-Spam: 1 Cc: Subject: huge interrupts on echi0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 18:25:04 -0000 Hello Proc: Interrupts r p d s w Csw Trp Sys Int Sof Flt cow 196k total 7 54 388k 485 4637 192k 22k zfod atkbd0 1 ozfod 171k ehci0 16 21,1%Sys 77,7%Intr 1,3%User 0,0%Nice 0,0%Idle %ozfod 35 atapci0 17 | | | | | | | | | | | daefr 2 ehci1 23 ===========++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++> prcfr 4121 cpu0:timer 19 dtbuf 4 totfr 8508 igb0:que 0 Namei Name-cache Dir-cache 110674 desvn react igb0:link Calls hits % hits % 1297 numvn pdwak 1586 igb1:que 0 2631 2631 100 266 frevn pdpgs igb1:link intrn 10774 re0 260 Disks ad4 191780 wire KB/t 15,71 184596 act tps 35 158944 inact MB/s 0,53 152 cache %busy 1 1434132 free # pciconf -l hostb0@pci0:0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x110b1565 chip=0x00408086 rev=0x12 hdr=0x00 vgapci0@pci0:0:2:0: class=0x030000 card=0x110c1565 chip=0x00428086 rev=0x12 hdr=0x00 ehci0@pci0:0:26:0: class=0x0c0320 card=0x31071565 chip=0x3b3c8086 rev=0x06 hdr=0x00 none0@pci0:0:27:0: class=0x040300 card=0x82201565 chip=0x3b568086 rev=0x06 hdr=0x00 pcib1@pci0:0:28:0: class=0x060400 card=0x31071565 chip=0x3b428086 rev=0x06 hdr=0x01 pcib2@pci0:0:28:4: class=0x060400 card=0x31071565 chip=0x3b4a8086 rev=0x06 hdr=0x01 pcib3@pci0:0:28:5: class=0x060400 card=0x31071565 chip=0x3b4c8086 rev=0x06 hdr=0x01 ehci1@pci0:0:29:0: class=0x0c0320 card=0x31071565 chip=0x3b348086 rev=0x06 hdr=0x00 pcib4@pci0:0:30:0: class=0x060401 card=0x31071565 chip=0x244e8086 rev=0xa6 hdr=0x01 isab0@pci0:0:31:0: class=0x060100 card=0x31071565 chip=0x3b068086 rev=0x06 hdr=0x00 atapci1@pci0:0:31:2: class=0x01018a card=0x52061565 chip=0x3b208086 rev=0x06 hdr=0x00 none1@pci0:0:31:3: class=0x0c0500 card=0x31071565 chip=0x3b308086 rev=0x06 hdr=0x00 atapci2@pci0:0:31:5: class=0x010185 card=0x52061565 chip=0x3b268086 rev=0x06 hdr=0x00 none2@pci0:0:31:6: class=0x118000 card=0x3b328086 chip=0x3b328086 rev=0x06 hdr=0x00 igb0@pci0:1:0:0: class=0x020000 card=0xa01c8086 chip=0x10c98086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 igb1@pci0:1:0:1: class=0x020000 card=0xa01c8086 chip=0x10c98086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 re0@pci0:2:0:0: class=0x020000 card=0x816810ec chip=0x816810ec rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 atapci0@pci0:3:0:0: class=0x010185 card=0x2363197b chip=0x2368197b rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 when I use mpd5+ng_car and shape about 50Mbit/s per GRE tunnel and overall trafic rise to 100Mbit/s echi starts to generate 160K interrupts. In normal state, when I shape 10Mbit/s per GRE tunnel I get this picture: Act 203752 5328 511360 7212 1617408 count All 258988 7220 2668412 16720 pages Proc: Interrupts r p d s w Csw Trp Sys Int Sof Flt 42 cow 22329 total 34 58k 769 2196 18k 18k 552 254 zfod 1 ehci0 16 5 ozfod 22 atapci0 17 10,8%Sys 24,7%Intr 2,4%User 0,0%Nice 62,1%Idle 1%ozfod 2 ehci1 23 | | | | | | | | | | | daefr 4119 cpu0:timer =====+++++++++++++> 67 prcfr 7901 igb0:que 0 32 dtbuf 322 totfr igb0:link Namei Name-cache Dir-cache 110674 desvn react 1158 igb1:que 0 Calls hits % hits % 935 numvn pdwak igb1:link 4266 3902 91 97 frevn pdpgs 9126 re0 260 intrn Disks ad4 144100 wire KB/t 16,00 154036 act tps 22 54104 inact MB/s 0,35 192 cache %busy 1 1617216 free as you can see echi0 does only 1 interrupt.... -- Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Êîíüêîâ mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 18:33:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1607106566C for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 18:33:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 764DF8FC0A for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 18:33:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9873DE8061A; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 11:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 11:33:04 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110609183304.GB8057@thought.org> References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> <20110609035313.GA30448@guilt.hydra> <4DF049AC.3050403@radel.com> <20110609052113.GA4291@thought.org> <20110609053430.GA30732@guilt.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110609053430.GA30732@guilt.hydra> Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 24++ years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 18:33:05 -0000 On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 11:34:30PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: > Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 23:34:30 -0600 > From: Chad Perrin > Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 10:21:13PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 12:18:52AM -0400, Jon Radel wrote: > > > On 6/8/11 11:53 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > > > > > >I think I've just had ports die one by one on a switch until it no longer > > > >worked. I don't think I've ever had the whole thing go poof for no > > > >evident reason. > > > > > > Ditto. Most recently a Cisco switch had a rather useful port go > > > into a really weird state that didn't really look broken but bits > > > just...weren't....flowing. Took a while, and a lot of poking at the > > > server in question, before we looked at each other and said, "Wait, > > > we've been assuming the switch works, what if it isn't." > > > > Hm. WEll, I suppose stranger things have happened. If Chad has > > had his switch drop connections one-by-one---well, news to me! > > I figured, hey, solid- state will work forever and 20 years, > > whichever comes first. ... > > I've had it happen with no fewer than three switches. I've also seen an > "enterprise" class Netgear switch issue a "death scream" of some sort > over the network at the moment the fiber optic cable was removed from it, > crashing the BigIron switch that ran the data center. > > . . . but Cisco switches are overpriced crap. We were disconnecting the > Netgear to replace it with a Cisco that offered a lot more functionality, > and administration turned out to be a fucking nightmare with that thing. > It's like replacing Postfix with MS Exchange because you want integrated > calendaring and all the other crap in the BusinessWeek full-page ad, then > finding out that you basically need a full-time employee just to manage > that one server. > LOL, man. But then, your troubles were at work, right? I mean somewhere that has dozens or more people, users/computers going thru the switch [?] Years ago I had as many a 6 computers--including my daughter's ancient W2K on a Kayak and wife's work laptop and my several tower and laptops going thru the 16-porter. *Still*, I don't care, the daamn thing should have lasted longer than it did. The LG is tiny and probably cutting-edge. And I'm down to two computers. Server, desktop, and firewall. 5250DN printer. So 4 things. ASAP, I will replace the computer that runs pfSense with a tiny kit that sips 4w. So doing my best to green up things. > > > > > > > BTW, Gary, Linksys=Cisco is pretty much just a marketing thing and > > > not a technology thing. > > > > Sure. But I've had luck++ with LinkSys for years, even before > > Cisco bought them out. --My new switch is an LG. See what > > happens. ... . > > In my (limited) experience, Linksys actually got more annoying after > Cisco bought out the company. [?] I ferget what all i bought that was Lonksys--prior to the buyout--but they were all fairly cheap and reliable. Maybe Cicso had some of the engineers do 70-hour weeks. Sure wouldn't be the first company. anyhow, at least next time I won't spent 5 days in the rough. gary > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 8.51a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 18:53:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B25291065670 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 18:53:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [66.147.249.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B1E28FC0C for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 18:53:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 25827 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2011 18:53:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2011 18:53:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=LpzpnqWj97JVnJ2/lLB3t9//4R0aKzL7HnJ10wrjhgaTXQr95izhCrHC2QSnWgBJdnynsq5UMN83jZ7nI5whpGliXKEJTzQ5N+tC03Mq4OVR7rB4ZHTh3h2Grxw6Rq2v; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QUkM0-0007wP-MW for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2011 12:53:17 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 09 Jun 2011 12:38:24 -0600 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 12:38:24 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110609183824.GA33714@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> <20110609035313.GA30448@guilt.hydra> <4DF049AC.3050403@radel.com> <20110609052113.GA4291@thought.org> <20110609053430.GA30732@guilt.hydra> <20110609183304.GB8057@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110609183304.GB8057@thought.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 18:53:18 -0000 --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 11:33:04AM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 11:34:30PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: > >=20 > > . . . but Cisco switches are overpriced crap. We were disconnecting the > > Netgear to replace it with a Cisco that offered a lot more functionalit= y, > > and administration turned out to be a fucking nightmare with that thing. > > It's like replacing Postfix with MS Exchange because you want integrated > > calendaring and all the other crap in the BusinessWeek full-page ad, th= en > > finding out that you basically need a full-time employee just to manage > > that one server. >=20 > LOL, man. But then, your troubles were at work, right? I mean > somewhere that has dozens or more people, users/computers going > thru the switch [?] Years ago I had as many a 6 > computers--including my daughter's ancient W2K on a Kayak and > wife's work laptop and my several tower and laptops going thru > the 16-porter. *Still*, I don't care, the daamn thing should=20 > have lasted longer than it did. =20 Actually, that was when I was the first and only paid employee of the Wikimedia Foundation. Everybody else was Jimmy Wales, his assistant at Bomis, and volunteers who "worked" with us remotely -- plus the whole Internet using Wikipedia. So, yeah . . . "dozens of people" sending traffic through the switch is a gross understatement. The switches I mentioned that I've had die off one port at a time, though, were not at the Wikimedia Foundation. They were my personal kit for my home networks over the years and, in one case, the main switch at a small consultancy where I was the Unix guru. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk3xEyAACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXDUQCeK3gYHAl8o4KxW1/S+a3L93Q1 DOgAnjoRh1r5bbtl3PdN7UGC23y61vyi =xGF/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 18:55:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 283971065670 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 18:55:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.38.55]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E58D48FC15 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 18:55:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 12166 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2011 18:55:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2011 18:55:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=k+ziu+FcEbGWOrrQJ0KxwryN7jiF1yAeui3G+/6OMZJoJlZd7qb8RobSQmCgWS9srtXG/JY+H2djTIE+kM37IOpxczLxaGWXXwcjY4Nj0EqkypIwOdkuLtfGpBIN8cYb; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QUkOY-0003z9-29 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 09 Jun 2011 12:55:55 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 09 Jun 2011 12:41:01 -0600 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 12:41:01 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20110609184101.GB33714@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Mailing List References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> <20110609035313.GA30448@guilt.hydra> <20110609170519.GB42160@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dTy3Mrz/UPE2dbVg" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110609170519.GB42160@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Cc: Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 18:55:56 -0000 --dTy3Mrz/UPE2dbVg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 10:05:19AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth Chad Perrin on Wednesday, 08 June 2011: > >=20 > > I think I've just had ports die one by one on a switch until it no long= er > > worked. I don't think I've ever had the whole thing go poof for no > > evident reason. >=20 > I have, twice. Both times it was a Linksys switch, too. Just suddenly, > no network. After the second one, I decided to switch (har) to a Netgear > GS116. Haven't had any trouble with it so far (knocks on head), but I've > only had it about a year. I've been a little leery of Netgear switches after that little episode at the colocation facility where the BigIron switch was taken down by the Netgear's freak-out while unplugging the fiber optic line, but in truth I don't have enough experience with Netgear to know whether that was just some kind of bizarre one-time deal or a problem with Netgear. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --dTy3Mrz/UPE2dbVg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk3xE70ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKU6IwCeIjBCMriY30dtyGE4RHw4uMTG ayAAnj0u73Gh+HhOPngB58Gh6oWrmMAx =1U3T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dTy3Mrz/UPE2dbVg-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 18:58:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E22B106566C for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 18:58:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 492BC8FC1C for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 18:58:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id AC9FEE8061A; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 11:58:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 11:58:01 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Theodor Ciobanu Message-ID: <20110609185801.GC8057@thought.org> References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> <20110609035313.GA30448@guilt.hydra> <4DF049AC.3050403@radel.com> <20110609052113.GA4291@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 24++ years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 18:58:02 -0000 On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 10:31:30AM +0300, Theodor Ciobanu wrote: > Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:31:30 +0300 > From: Theodor Ciobanu > Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 22:21:13 -0700 > Gary Kline wrote: > > > I figured, hey, solid- state will work forever and 20 years, > > whichever comes first. ... > > Unfortunately, from experience, no moving parts (if that's what you > mean my solid-state; if not, disregard the rest of this mail :) ) > doesn't equal non-failure. Just a bit less likely to fail. PSUs still > die on you, capacitors still "blow up", microchips still get fried if > not properly cooled, flash memory "wears out" etc. > > I've had all sorts of switches die on me in strage ways, a couple of > them the same way it happened to you (they suddenly refused to switch > packets). > > Currently I'm in the middle of replacing three ProCurve switches > (oldest one bought within a year) because the NVRAM became read-only > all of a sudden. I really hope the service guys will be able to tell me > what happened (if it was an environment issue, firmware bug, a bad > batch of chips...). Jeez! I'm going to save this mail in my ~/warning.info file. [They say you can't learn from others' experiences, but in some cases, like your note above, it is possible; thanks for your data points.] If nothing ever wore out, where would our global consumer-society be! I'm planning on upgrading my harddrive in a year or so. I was hoping for the SSD to be further along... . Maybe I'll shoot for 2015. Luck+ with your NVRAM problem. never heard of that one... . gary > > > Regards, > > -- > Theo > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 8.51a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 19:03:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 969141065670 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 19:03:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.22.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5EE298FC12 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 19:03:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 10863 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2011 19:03:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy8.bluehost.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2011 19:03:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=CjwlpO82TFu5zCawAxl/Te6r9gP8dq0uhVHBaL/oW4Gx41o7PqM9yfd67je3+7CiNpElFotnUXJFjRrFWNn774wv3cuT67wIsuOXKPlnWT1cAJ2zgMJKjXiEa+nl6m2U; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QUkVl-0007OE-UF for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2011 13:03:23 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 09 Jun 2011 12:48:29 -0600 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 12:48:29 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" Message-ID: <20110609184829.GC33714@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> <15630_1307624948_4DF0C5F4_15630_82_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C4A2@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VywGB/WGlW4DM4P8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 19:03:25 -0000 --VywGB/WGlW4DM4P8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 10:25:27AM -0400, Mike L wrote: > whats this have to do with freebsd questions? > You seem to have a bad habit of spamming the mailing list with mundane BS. Bringing things back to FreeBSD again . . . Are parts available for building an inexpensive switch, perhaps with the ability to use a stripped-down FreeBSD to run the thing? The closest I've found so far is this: http://www.automationworld.com/products-2039 It says "make your own", but it looks to me like what they mean by that is "put it in your own box and brand it with your name; power supply not included". The hardware requirements for building a switch are, unfortunately, outside my area of expertise. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --VywGB/WGlW4DM4P8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk3xFX0ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWmywCgoc8PM1XpzHKmcEJYtX7GndSK aPEAn3JO1ObB9ib0kuaGWsPJ2fJsbJta =UqA4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VywGB/WGlW4DM4P8-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 19:11:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB22106566B for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 19:11:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78E798FC1B for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 19:11:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BE262E8061A; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 12:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 12:11:04 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20110609191104.GD8057@thought.org> References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> <20110609035313.GA30448@guilt.hydra> <20110609170519.GB42160@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110609170519.GB42160@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 24++ years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 19:11:05 -0000 On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 10:05:19AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: > Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:05:19 -0700 > From: Chip Camden > Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into > To: FreeBSD Mailing List > Cc: > Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Mailing List > > Quoth Chad Perrin on Wednesday, 08 June 2011: > > On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 05:56:59PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > > > I'm still bringing back the dozens of things I removed from ethic. > > > And testing new ideas. But I have a general question: have any of > > > you wizards who run your own domains or otherwise use a switch [or > > > hub] *ever* had it just-quit?! It is solid-state. Yes, the box is > > > within my feet/foot reach. I have accidently kicked it i suppose, > > > but still. > > > > I think I've just had ports die one by one on a switch until it no longer > > worked. I don't think I've ever had the whole thing go poof for no > > evident reason. > > > > -- > > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] > > > I have, twice. Both times it was a Linksys switch, too. Just suddenly, > no network. After the second one, I decided to switch (har) to a Netgear > GS116. Haven't had any trouble with it so far (knocks on head), but I've > only had it about a year. Hm, yours and Theo's notes qualify for my danger, will-robinson file:_) I've generally had good luck with hardware. Maybe it's just sheer luck. Then again, it could be simple shit-for-brains bad circuit design. --At least, with all these stories coming out of the woodwork i don't feel that bad. ...Well, I *do* in that I tore my server pretty much apart. Even tho bind9 was working 100% i figured it wasn't, blah*3. thankee. gary > > > -- > .O. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com > ..O | sterling@camdensoftware.com | http://chipsquips.com > OOO | 2048R/D6DBAF91 | http://chipstips.com -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 8.51a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 19:26:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC0F1065688 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 19:26:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59BFC8FC21 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 19:26:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C9339E8061A; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 12:26:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 12:26:20 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Modulok Message-ID: <20110609192620.GE8057@thought.org> References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> <20110609035313.GA30448@guilt.hydra> <20110609170519.GB42160@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 24++ years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 19:26:21 -0000 On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 12:08:12PM -0600, Modulok wrote: > Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 12:08:12 -0600 > From: Modulok > Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into > To: FreeBSD Mailing List > > >> But I have a general question: have any of > >> you wizards who run your own domains or otherwise use a switch [or > >> hub] *ever* had it just-quit?! It is solid-state. > > I've had a Linksys switch crap out. I've also had a Netgear switch die. In > fact, there were three Netgear switches that died within a few months of each > other. At first they would simply lock up at random. After that they didn't > work at all. We later discovered it was a capacitor problem. (Google 'capacitor > plague'.) We replaced it with a HP ProCurve switch a few years ago and it has > been rock solid ever since. My only complaint is the proCurve has a very > inaccurate internal clock, but that is easily remedied by configuring ntpd on > it. So yeah, even solid state stuff can die! > > -Modulok- Don't we have a "bad-hardware page" somewhere? If not, Linksys, Netgear, and ProCurve switches should all be flagged. The new .LT. $20 LG 8-porter [[8-holer? for those from a farming bg, ;)]] um, sorry. I will keep track of how well my LG 8-port switch does. If it fmesses up sooner than three years, I will let folks know. gary > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 8.51a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 19:45:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B2F1065670 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 19:45:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0216B8FC13 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 19:45:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4B2C7E8061A; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 12:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 12:45:56 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20110609194556.GF8057@thought.org> References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> <20110609035313.GA30448@guilt.hydra> <20110609170519.GB42160@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110609184101.GB33714@guilt.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110609184101.GB33714@guilt.hydra> Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 24++ years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 19:45:58 -0000 On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 12:41:01PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: > Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 12:41:01 -0600 > From: Chad Perrin > Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into > To: FreeBSD Mailing List > Cc: > Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Mailing List > > On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 10:05:19AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: > > Quoth Chad Perrin on Wednesday, 08 June 2011: > > > > > > I think I've just had ports die one by one on a switch until it no longer > > > worked. I don't think I've ever had the whole thing go poof for no > > > evident reason. > > > > I have, twice. Both times it was a Linksys switch, too. Just suddenly, > > no network. After the second one, I decided to switch (har) to a Netgear > > GS116. Haven't had any trouble with it so far (knocks on head), but I've > > only had it about a year. > > I've been a little leery of Netgear switches after that little episode at > the colocation facility where the BigIron switch was taken down by the > Netgear's freak-out while unplugging the fiber optic line, but in truth I > don't have enough experience with Netgear to know whether that was just > some kind of bizarre one-time deal or a problem with Netgear. Still, given what's been posted about al various types of switches, it makes sense to be a bit wary of certain manufacturers. Most of you guys earn your bread and butter with these sorts of things, so the fewer messups, the better. --I had a buddy drive down to where they sell used or cheap hardware. I have 0.00 idea how well my new switch will do. Even if I had a detailed schematics sheet, there are other complexities. Components, production, Zeus-knows. live 'n' learn. > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 8.51a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 20:13:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F6A106567E; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 20:13:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7168FC16; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 20:13:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2EDBAE8061A; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 13:13:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 13:13:30 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: reese@adeptscience.com Message-ID: <20110609201330.GG8057@thought.org> References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> <4DF0745E.5201.47FBA82A@reese.adeptscience.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4DF0745E.5201.47FBA82A@reese.adeptscience.com> Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 24++ years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 20:13:31 -0000 On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 07:21:02AM -0400, reese@adeptscience.com wrote: > Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 07:21:02 -0400 > From: reese@adeptscience.com > Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into > To: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Gary Kline , > FreeBSD Mailing List > X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) > > Not a switch but I have had a router and two PCs just die in the last > year. I know the agony of having to restore things that weren't > broken as I went through that with the router. I hate to have to fix > things that I broke trying to find out what was broke, as bad as > having to rewrite code after you have a working system and > your drive fails without a backup. > > This to shall pass. > > Charlie > In November, '99 an almost-new 9.1G harddrive krapped out during a power-out, On, Out, then On. All within seven seconds. It was a new machine, not yet plugged into my surge-protector. It was SCSI drive and it was dead. I had a 4mm tape drive, but part of it overwrote itself so I lost more than 6 months' of stuff. I'm still not completely over that loss. ...WEll, then again, at least I've quit drinking two fifths of JD every night! ==just another one of those oh-shit episodes. gary > > > > On 9 Jun 2011 at 3:45, Bill Tillman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Gary Kline > > To: FreeBSD Mailing List > > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 8:56:59 PM > > Subject: Long Day's Journey into > > > > > > Well, people, > > > > It's been a long, long century.  I've been down for 5 days. > > Couldn't understand _why_ I couldn't ping anywhere [expect the > > Server itself].  Finally, tho, it became more and more likely that > > my FreeBSD was fine ... even tho I kept stripping the most likely > > problem points.  My large 16-port LinkSys router was either *it* or > > it was some kind of bug unknown to geekdom.  After a friend bought > > me a new (and tiny) 8-port switch, yes!  I could ping everywhere.  > > > > I'm still bringing back the dozens of things I removed from ethic. > > And testing new ideas.  But I have a general question: have any of > > you wizards who run your own domains or otherwise use a switch [or > > hub] *ever* had it just-quit?!  It is solid-state.  Yes, the box is > > within my feet/foot reach.  I have accidently kicked it i suppose, > > but still.  > > > > After wandering in the wilderness for 5 days, <>, dunno.  > > > > gary > > > > PS: yes, this is a serious question.  1) I like things-Cisco, and > > LinkSys.  I just bought this switch about 2.5 years ago, so I really > > am looking for feedback. > > > > PPS:  Another question to ask about upgrading is next. > > > > > > -- > > Gary Kline  kline@thought.org  http://www.thought.org  Public Service Unix > >           Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org > >           The 8.51a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > > Good to hear you're back on line. But to answer your question about parts going > > bad. I haven't had much go bad on me in the last 10 years but back in the 1990's > > when I was doing pure IT work and was making lots of purchases of parts I did. > > Now you have to remember that back then a 28.8 modem cost $375 and cell phones > > were only in the hands of the very rich and very important. I could buy parts > > and sometimes find them defective out of the box. Others would work fine. > > > > Today, I haven't bought many new components because everything is working. My > > switch has been operating fine for the last five years. I replaced my FreeBSD > > sever a few years ago. It was a P166 with 96MB RAM and it had been running > > almost non-stop, 24/7 for 12 years. But then I had another machine right next to > > it that I built in 2002 and it whimped out only a couple of years later and I > > hardly ever ran that machine. > > > > > > In today's world, I would say that the majority of the parts you buy will be > > good to go, but that's why parts only come with a 90 or 1 year warranty. The > > manufacturers know when to back off their guarantees on electronic components. > > O.M.G.: my switch only came with a 30-day return. i haven't checked the warantee, tho. -g I remember the 28.8's .... not the price being > $300. > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 8.51a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 20:39:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 154F2106564A for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 20:39:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5F5E8FC0A for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 20:39:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 58CFDE8061A; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 13:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 13:39:24 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" Message-ID: <20110609203924.GH8057@thought.org> References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> <15630_1307624948_4DF0C5F4_15630_82_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C4A2@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110609184829.GC33714@guilt.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110609184829.GC33714@guilt.hydra> Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 24++ years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 20:39:25 -0000 On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 12:48:29PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: > Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 12:48:29 -0600 > From: Chad Perrin > Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into > To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" > Mail-Followup-To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" > > > On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 10:25:27AM -0400, Mike L wrote: > > whats this have to do with freebsd questions? > > You seem to have a bad habit of spamming the mailing list with mundane BS. I might agree if the discussion didn't warnder into good and bad switches, which is something that many of us are conconcerned with. Otherwise, i apologise. > > Bringing things back to FreeBSD again . . . > > Are parts available for building an inexpensive switch, perhaps with the > ability to use a stripped-down FreeBSD to run the thing? The closest > I've found so far is this: > > http://www.automationworld.com/products-2039 > > It says "make your own", but it looks to me like what they mean by that > is "put it in your own box and brand it with your name; power supply not > included". > > The hardware requirements for building a switch are, unfortunately, > outside my area of expertise. I'll check it out when I'm using evo. My bg was in ckt design, but that was a Long time back. For those of us who use FreeBSD at work, the expense of a switch shouldn't be an issue. For me, I _will_ just buy a second LG switch. Still, be interesting to see if one of my old computers with FBSD 8.X could run the unit. Appreciate the tip, Chad. > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 8.51a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 21:56:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FCCE106564A for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 21:56:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3D958FC08 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 21:56:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so2275509vws.13 for ; Thu, 09 Jun 2011 14:56:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.110.96 with SMTP id m32mr506531vcp.109.1307656585877; Thu, 09 Jun 2011 14:56:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from papi.localnet ([186.212.115.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v3sm335713vcg.47.2011.06.09.14.56.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 09 Jun 2011 14:56:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 18:55:31 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.2-STABLE; KDE/4.6.2; amd64; ; ) References: <201106062239.14221.lobo@bsd.com.br> <4DF0CF71.1090302@midsummerdream.org> In-Reply-To: <4DF0CF71.1090302@midsummerdream.org> X-KMail-Markup: true MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201106091855.31224.lobo@bsd.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Virtualbox on 8.2 64-bit (cont) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 21:56:27 -0000 On Thursday 09 June 2011 10:49:37 Rob wrote: > On 6/6/11 8:39 PM, Mario Lobo wrote: > > On Monday 06 June 2011 17:56:53 Rob wrote: > >> I was attempting to install virtualbox on my 8.2-p2 64-bit system this > >> weekend, and hit a rather curious situation. The pre-packaged version > >> of virtualbox retrievable by pkg_add is 3.2.12 (which looks in > >> ports/amd64/packages-8.2-release). Poking around on the ftp server, I > >> see that packages-8.1-release also has a 3.x version, but > >> packages-8-stable has the latest 4.0.8. > >> > >> I went to look in ports, which contains 4.0.8, and build it myself but I > >> got an error saying I need to have the 32-bit libraries installed in > >> order to build virtualbox. > >> > >> So, my question is 2-fold: > >> 1) What is the reason the 64-bit pre-packaged version of virtualbox is > >> still at the 3.x version? Would there be a problem with installing the > >> packages (virtualbox and kernel module) from packages-8-stable? > >> > >> 2) How do I build virtualbox 4.0.8 on a 64-bit system w/o the 32-bit > >> libs. Is that possible? Searching around has produced old e-mail > >> threads indicating this was a problem as of 2 or so years ago with the > >> 3.x release. If it's not possible to build w/o the 32-bit libs, what do > >> I need to install? > >> > >> Rob > > > > You need to rebuild your kernel with > > > > > > > > options COMPAT_FREEBSD32 # Compatible with i386 binaries > > > > > > > > included. > > > > And as per the port's error message: > > > > cd /usr/src; make build32 install32; /etc/rc.d/ldconfig restart > > I noticed that when I tried to build the ports, but I don't have > anything in /usr/src and no information was given as to what > packages/src I needed to install. I'd like to avoid diverging from the > stock release kernel for upgrade simplicity. What exactly does that do? > Will it introduce upgrade complexity (ie will I have to upgrade these > libs before I upgrade the kernel or some such)? > > Rob To remain with the same kernel you installed, you must install the source tree from the same CD/DVD you used for installation. You will have to run sysinstal and go to Configure Do post-install configuration of FreeBSD then Distributions Install additional distribution sets then mark [ ] src Sources for everything Choose the CDROM as installation media. After that you'll have all the sources on your HD and can proceed to the compilation of the 32 libs. If the sources are from the same CD you installed the system, they will be in sync with your kernel. No upgrade issues. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 22:01:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 191091065672 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 22:01:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF9438FC15 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 22:01:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED64A73D; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 18:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 18:01:03 -0400 From: Daniel Staal To: Chad Perrin , "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20110609184829.GC33714@guilt.hydra> References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> <15630_1307624948_4DF0C5F4_15630_82_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C4A2@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110609184829.GC33714@guilt.hydra> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 22:01:05 -0000 --As of June 9, 2011 12:48:29 PM -0600, Chad Perrin is alleged to have said: > Are parts available for building an inexpensive switch, perhaps with the > ability to use a stripped-down FreeBSD to run the thing? The closest > I've found so far is this: > > http://www.automationworld.com/products-2039 > > It says "make your own", but it looks to me like what they mean by that > is "put it in your own box and brand it with your name; power supply not > included". > > The hardware requirements for building a switch are, unfortunately, > outside my area of expertise. --As for the rest, it is mine. Depending on your needs, Soekris, ALIX, or Netgate products could all work. Most don't have large numbers of ports (2-5 built in are standard, and some have expansion capability), but can run some higher-level processing while doing switching work. It may or may not be cost-effective though. Especially if all you need is pure switch. Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 22:43:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85F99106564A for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 22:43:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4D68D8FC0A for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 22:43:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 29025 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2011 22:43:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2011 22:43:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=gBAiVfxQgexnD7/HNiEV9peg585KOKluQBWREwlV0nxxlbNetnOW1a0r+Q+MXa7StbasISvvMLOk64B/q8oCxcN3bwmEC/SAi9HXFSxGawZGRYkH0Z7KC0DhM62+ZEio; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QUnwK-0007iO-Sy for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2011 16:43:02 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 09 Jun 2011 16:28:08 -0600 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 16:28:08 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20110609222807.GA34570@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Questions References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> <15630_1307624948_4DF0C5F4_15630_82_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C4A2@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110609184829.GC33714@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 22:43:03 -0000 --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 06:01:03PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote: >=20 > Depending on your needs, Soekris, ALIX, or Netgate products could all wor= k.=20 > Most don't have large numbers of ports (2-5 built in are standard, and so= me=20 > have expansion capability), but can run some higher-level processing whil= e=20 > doing switching work. I appreciate the information. Unfortunately, while I can find products offered under these brands for sale on the Internet, this is not (as I mentioned) within my areas of expertise, so I'm finding the information about the products somewhat opaque. In many cases, it's not even obvious which of the products I find are suitable for building various types of network switches. Do you know of any Webpages that might help me rectify my dearth of understanding in this area? Thanks to the completeness of documentation such as the FreeBSD Handbook, learning how to build firewalls and routers is a relatively trivial exercise. Switches are another matter entirely. . . . --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk3xSPcACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVf2QCg86UYaMG2xfo7F5D1mL3eeS0J 4h4An0LbSJ1QJV6rHRQuJ96pNM/Df333 =43kG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 23:54:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1F03106564A for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 23:54:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [66.251.72.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A639B8FC08 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 23:54:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nber7.nber.org (nber7.nber.org [66.251.72.41]) by mail2.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p59Ns02B082896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 9 Jun 2011 19:54:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from localhost (feenberg@localhost) by nber7.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p59Ns0il014361; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 19:54:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: nber7.nber.org: feenberg owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 19:54:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Feenberg To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20110609222807.GA34570@guilt.hydra> Message-ID: References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> <15630_1307624948_4DF0C5F4_15630_82_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C4A2@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110609184829.GC33714@guilt.hydra> <20110609222807.GA34570@guilt.hydra> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LFD 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Anti-Virus: Kaspersky Anti-Virus for Linux Mail Server 5.6.39/RELEASE, bases: 20110609 #5481753, check: 20110609 clean Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 23:54:07 -0000 On Thu, 9 Jun 2011, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 06:01:03PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote: >> >> Depending on your needs, Soekris, ALIX, or Netgate products could all work. >> Most don't have large numbers of ports (2-5 built in are standard, and some >> have expansion capability), but can run some higher-level processing while >> doing switching work. > > I appreciate the information. Unfortunately, while I can find products > offered under these brands for sale on the Internet, this is not (as I > mentioned) within my areas of expertise, so I'm finding the information > about the products somewhat opaque. In many cases, it's not even obvious > which of the products I find are suitable for building various types of > network switches. Do you know of any Webpages that might help me rectify > my dearth of understanding in this area? > > Thanks to the completeness of documentation such as the FreeBSD Handbook, > learning how to build firewalls and routers is a relatively trivial > exercise. Switches are another matter entirely. . . . A switch can also be called a bridge. FreeBSD seems to have built-in facility for bridging. See: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/filtering-bridges/index.html It isn't something I have any experience with, though. Daniel Feenberg > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 10 00:37:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99732106564A for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 00:37:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout025.mac.com (asmtpout025.mac.com [17.148.16.100]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD508FC0C for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 00:37:35 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp025.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LMJ00DLVTPP6Y80@asmtp025.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2011 17:37:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-06-09_09:2011-06-09, 2011-06-09, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1106090248 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <20110609222807.GA34570@guilt.hydra> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 17:37:14 -0700 Message-id: References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> <15630_1307624948_4DF0C5F4_15630_82_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C4A2@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110609184829.GC33714@guilt.hydra> <20110609222807.GA34570@guilt.hydra> To: Chad Perrin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 00:37:38 -0000 On Jun 9, 2011, at 3:28 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > In many cases, it's not even obvious which of the products I find are suitable for building various types of network switches. Do you know of any Webpages that might help me rectify my dearth of understanding in this area? You can get an unmanaged 24-port 10/100/1000 switch for less than $10 per port, and a good managed switch for about $30 per port. A cheap quad-port GB NIC runs $200 or $50 per port; and one from Intel or Cisco which can actually run all of the ports near rated line speed is closer to $100 per port. You simply can't build a commodity PC using these and end up anywhere near the price point of a dedicated switch. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 10 01:00:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74103106564A for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 01:00:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from moku60.aloha50.net (moku60.aloha50.net [66.180.132.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4876B8FC0C for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 01:00:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mohawk7.intra.net (unknown [66.180.149.18]) by moku60.aloha50.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9EB21703E; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 15:00:45 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <4DF16CBD.3020201@hdk5.net> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 15:00:45 -1000 From: Al Plant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 FreeBSD/i386 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Kline References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: noc@hdk5.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 01:00:47 -0000 Gary Kline wrote: > Well, people, > > It's been a long, long century. I've been down for 5 days. > Couldn't understand _why_ I couldn't ping anywhere [expect the > Server itself]. Finally, tho, it became more and more likely that > my FreeBSD was fine ... even tho I kept stripping the most likely > problem points. My large 16-port LinkSys router was either *it* or > it was some kind of bug unknown to geekdom. After a friend bought > me a new (and tiny) 8-port switch, yes! I could ping everywhere. > > I'm still bringing back the dozens of things I removed from ethic. > And testing new ideas. But I have a general question: have any of > you wizards who run your own domains or otherwise use a switch [or > hub] *ever* had it just-quit?! It is solid-state. Yes, the box is > within my feet/foot reach. I have accidently kicked it i suppose, > but still. > > After wandering in the wilderness for 5 days, <>, dunno. > > gary > > PS: yes, this is a serious question. 1) I like things-Cisco, and > LinkSys. I just bought this switch about 2.5 years ago, so I really > am looking for feedback. > > PPS: Another question to ask about upgrading is next. > > ########### Switches are weird like Chad says... I have had an 1000/100 Linksys, and a less than year old Netgear 1000/000 switch die in my shed in the last year. No one could kick them in a rack out there and Netgear replaced the dead one no questions asked. So Now I have 2 Netgear units working. AND I NOW HAVE A SPARE. ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + < email: noc@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 10 01:38:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596B1106566B for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 01:38:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F01A8FC08 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 01:38:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 30003 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2011 01:38:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2011 01:38:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=e74I6jxqfCMOt5Eeohxpin/3rua0CpXnSFtuBuIegq6ometk6+ixvuvmReFA9oSXdJ2JivNhfLrCpKXK9xaYVIF9+uEkLroPRNV/DUYKJQLKCwLynX9kMaL+QkSyt+of; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QUqg0-0002nz-JX for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2011 19:38:21 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 09 Jun 2011 19:23:27 -0600 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 19:23:27 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20110610012327.GB34960@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Questions References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> <15630_1307624948_4DF0C5F4_15630_82_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C4A2@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110609184829.GC33714@guilt.hydra> <20110609222807.GA34570@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ADZbWkCsHQ7r3kzd" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 01:38:22 -0000 --ADZbWkCsHQ7r3kzd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 07:54:00PM -0400, Daniel Feenberg wrote: >=20 > A switch can also be called a bridge. FreeBSD seems to have built-in > facility for bridging. See: >=20 > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/filtering-bridges/ind= ex.html Thanks for that URI. Knowing what information is available in FreeBSD articles outside of the Handbook is not a skill I have developed, yet; I did not know this article existed. I'll give it a look. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --ADZbWkCsHQ7r3kzd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk3xcg8ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKU5DwCeP9OoSCs7XjpL9M9cGQ0MgcCI CRgAnA8lSNzEDYXjLJ5w7JEOHdlRLcJ+ =MGbK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ADZbWkCsHQ7r3kzd-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 10 06:10:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C991065670 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 06:10:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1BA48FC17 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 06:10:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxc34 with SMTP id 34so2650394vxc.13 for ; Thu, 09 Jun 2011 23:10:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.116.10 with SMTP id js10mr2216265vdb.256.1307686205345; Thu, 09 Jun 2011 23:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.80.144 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 23:10:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [93.221.169.73] In-Reply-To: <20110609035313.GA30448@guilt.hydra> References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> <20110609035313.GA30448@guilt.hydra> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 08:10:05 +0200 Message-ID: From: "C. P. Ghost" To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 06:10:07 -0000 On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 5:53 AM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 05:56:59PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: >> >> I'm still bringing back the dozens of things I removed from ethic. >> And testing new ideas. =A0But I have a general question: have any of >> you wizards who run your own domains or otherwise use a switch [or >> hub] *ever* had it just-quit?! =A0It is solid-state. =A0Yes, the box is >> within my feet/foot reach. =A0I have accidently kicked it i suppose, >> but still. > > I think I've just had ports die one by one on a switch until it no longer > worked. =A0I don't think I've ever had the whole thing go poof for no > evident reason. Same here... a lot of times. My last experience with a dying port on a switch was a few days ago while JumpStart-ing Solaris via OBP. The process hung everywhere from RARP, BOOTP, TFTP and NFS... until we figured out the port on the switch was slowly dying. Funny thing was that this problem was masked by TCP's error correction mechanisms for quite some time and became only critical with UDP: the TCP connections were slow as hell, but since the machine wasn't used for high throughput anyway, the local junior admin assumed it was some kind of software/hardware error on the host. She saw the many input errors (Ierr= s) in netstat -i, but didn't know what to do about them. ;-) So yes, switches rarely stop altogether, the ports usually degrade, one by one. > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] -cpghost. --=20 Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 10 07:47:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93A541065670 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 07:47:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from p2tech-bounces@mailman.great-lakes.net) Received: from superior.great-lakes.net (mailman.great-lakes.net [64.9.200.67]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 499548FC08 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 07:47:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from superior.great-lakes.net (superior.great-lakes.net [127.0.0.1]) by superior.great-lakes.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p5A7NSTP022252 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 03:23:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: p2tech-bounces@great-lakes.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 03:23:26 -0400 Precedence: bulk X-BeenThere: p2tech@mailman.great-lakes.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 X-List-Administrivia: yes Sender: p2tech-bounces@great-lakes.net Errors-To: p2tech-bounces@great-lakes.net Subject: Your message to p2tech awaits moderator approval X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 07:47:56 -0000 Your mail to 'p2tech' with the subject [WARNING: VIRUS REMOVED]Message could not be delivered Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. 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If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: http://mailman.great-lakes.net/mailman/confirm/p2tech/21d2c3a396cf9cf3b42a4ee3e2f735be5711c020 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 10 07:48:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBE91065674 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 07:48:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from cp-out8.libero.it (cp-out8.libero.it [212.52.84.108]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B768D8FC0A for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 07:48:38 +0000 (UTC) X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A0B0206.4DF1CC55.00BA,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-libjamoibt: 1555 Received: from soth.ventu (151.41.174.43) by cp-out8.libero.it (8.5.133) id 4DD2415403591B83 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 09:48:37 +0200 Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.ventu [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5A7mALV055678 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 09:48:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Message-ID: <4DF1CC3A.4030308@netfence.it> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 09:48:10 +0200 From: Andrea Venturoli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; it-IT; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110429 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4DE77F01.1050900@netfence.it> In-Reply-To: <4DE77F01.1050900@netfence.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.1.2.13 Subject: Re: Critical issues with WD green drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 07:48:39 -0000 On 06/02/11 14:16, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > Hello. > > In a server of mine (7.3p4/i386) I replaced a 1TB Hitachi SATA drive > (which worked perfectly), with two brand new Western Digital 2TB disks. > Now I'm having critical problems, ranging from the disks getting stuck, > to the box rebooting. Thanks to everyone who replied. I've followed Bruce's suggestion, booting the server into plain old DOS, running wdidle3.exe and "turning off" the idle timer. What the utility really says is that the timer gets set to a larger value (something more than an hour) IIRC. Anyway I was then able to newfs the disks and try and use them. Still: _ the disks will often get to a stop, blocking any I/O for some minutes, then restart working; _ i get a lot of messages in the logs, like: > Jun 9 18:10:53 david kernel: ad4: WARNING - SETFEATURES SET TRANSFER MODE taskqueue timeout - completing request directly > Jun 9 18:11:34 david kernel: ad4: WARNING - SETFEATURES SET TRANSFER MODE taskqueue timeout - completing request directly > Jun 9 18:13:45 david kernel: ad4: WARNING - SETFEATURES ENABLE RCACHE taskqueue timeout - completing request directly > Jun 9 18:13:45 david kernel: ad4: WARNING - SETFEATURES ENABLE WCACHE taskqueue timeout - completing request directly > Jun 9 18:13:45 david kernel: ad4: WARNING - SET_MULTI taskqueue timeout - completing request directly > Jun 9 18:13:45 david kernel: ad4: TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA retrying (1 retry left) LBA=0 > Jun 9 18:13:45 david kernel: ad4: FAILURE - SETFEATURES SET TRANSFER MODE status=51 error=84 > Jun 9 18:13:45 david kernel: ad4: TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA retrying (1 retry left) LBA=5984 > Jun 9 18:21:41 david smartd[2170]: Device: /dev/ad4, SMART Usage Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 118 to 117 > Jun 9 18:21:42 david smartd[2170]: Device: /dev/ad8, SMART Usage Attribute: 193 Load_Cycle_Count changed from 199 to 198 > Jun 9 18:21:42 david smartd[2170]: Device: /dev/ad8, SMART Usage Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 115 to 114 > Jun 9 18:32:46 david kernel: ad4: WARNING - SETFEATURES SET TRANSFER MODE taskqueue timeout - completing request directly > Jun 9 18:32:46 david kernel: ad4: WARNING - SETFEATURES SET TRANSFER MODE taskqueue timeout - completing request directly > Jun 9 18:32:46 david kernel: ad4: WARNING - SETFEATURES ENABLE RCACHE taskqueue timeout - completing request directly > Jun 9 18:32:46 david kernel: ad4: WARNING - SETFEATURES ENABLE WCACHE taskqueue timeout - completing request directly > Jun 9 18:32:46 david kernel: ad4: WARNING - SET_MULTI taskqueue timeout - completing request directly > Jun 9 18:32:46 david kernel: ad4: TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA retrying (1 retry left) LBA=56677632 > Jun 9 18:32:46 david kernel: ad4: FAILURE - SETFEATURES SET TRANSFER MODE status=51 error=84 > Jun 9 18:32:46 david kernel: ad4: TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA retrying (1 retry left) LBA=56677664 > Jun 9 20:23:24 david kernel: ad4: 1907729MB at ata2-master SATA300 > Jun 9 20:23:24 david kernel: ad8: 1907729MB at ata4-master SATA300 > Jun 9 20:23:24 david kernel: GEOM_STRIPE: Disk ad4 attached to backup. > Jun 9 20:23:24 david kernel: GEOM_STRIPE: Disk ad8 attached to backup. > Jun 9 20:23:24 david kernel: ad8: WARNING - SETFEATURES SET TRANSFER MODE taskqueue timeout - completing request directly > Jun 9 20:23:24 david kernel: ad8: WARNING - SETFEATURES SET TRANSFER MODE taskqueue timeout - completing request directly > Jun 9 20:23:24 david kernel: ad8: WARNING - SETFEATURES ENABLE RCACHE taskqueue timeout - completing request directly > Jun 9 20:23:24 david kernel: ad8: WARNING - SETFEATURES ENABLE WCACHE taskqueue timeout - completing request directly > Jun 9 20:23:24 david kernel: ad8: WARNING - SET_MULTI taskqueue timeout - completing request directly > Jun 9 20:23:24 david kernel: ad8: TIMEOUT - READ_DMA48 retrying (1 retry left) LBA=494338464 > Jun 9 20:23:24 david kernel: ad8: FAILURE - SETFEATURES SET TRANSFER MODE status=51 error=84 > Jun 9 20:23:24 david kernel: ad8: TIMEOUT - READ_DMA48 retrying (0 retries left) LBA=494338464 _ I already got a crash: > # kgdb kernel.debug /var/crash/vmcore.15 > ... > Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/acpi.ko > #0 doadump () at pcpu.h:196 > 196 __asm __volatile("movl %%fs:0,%0" : "=r" (td)); > (kgdb) bt > #0 doadump () at pcpu.h:196 > #1 0xc0563d48 in boot (howto=260) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c:418 > #2 0xc0564025 in panic (fmt=Variable "fmt" is not available. > ) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c:574 > #3 0xc0732764 in trap_fatal (frame=0xc4dbec50, eva=0) at /usr/src/sys/i386/i386/trap.c:950 > #4 0xc07329b4 in trap_pfault (frame=0xc4dbec50, usermode=0, eva=0) at /usr/src/sys/i386/i386/trap.c:863 > #5 0xc0733351 in trap (frame=0xc4dbec50) at /usr/src/sys/i386/i386/trap.c:541 > #6 0xc0718abb in calltrap () at /usr/src/sys/i386/i386/exception.s:166 > #7 0xc050f18b in g_bioq_first (bq=0xc07dc100) at /usr/src/sys/geom/geom_io.c:105 > #8 0xc050f9cc in g_io_schedule_down (tp=0xc5084d80) at /usr/src/sys/geom/geom_io.c:484 > #9 0xc05100e8 in g_down_procbody () at /usr/src/sys/geom/geom_kern.c:118 > #10 0xc053e9a1 in fork_exit (callout=0xc051007a , arg=0x0, frame=0xc4dbed38) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_fork.c:811 > #11 0xc0718b30 in fork_trampoline () at /usr/src/sys/i386/i386/exception.s:271 Is there anything else I can try? Patches? Knobs? Settings? Any help is appreciated. bye & Thanks av. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 10 08:27:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD2B4106564A for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 08:27:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from radek.krejca@starnet.cz) Received: from EXCHANGE.mail.starnet.cz (exchange.mail.starnet.cz [92.62.224.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 513AF8FC1A for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 08:27:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from EXCHANGE.mail.starnet.cz ([fe80::7120:461:2a3f:2815]) by EXCHANGE.mail.starnet.cz ([fe80::7120:461:2a3f:2815%11]) with mapi; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 10:17:01 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Radek_Krej=E8a?= To: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 10:16:59 +0200 Thread-Topic: Got ERROR packet: TFTP Aborted Thread-Index: AcwnRr0VLvybVpl2R7G1TnxCgqhzWw== Message-ID: Accept-Language: cs-CZ Content-Language: cs-CZ X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: cs-CZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Got ERROR packet: TFTP Aborted X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 08:27:56 -0000 Hello, I have updated FBSD over freebsd-update from 8.1 to 8.2 this week. I am run= ning diskless FBSD boxes and after update works all fine - but in log i got= this message: Got ERROR packet: TFTP Aborted Diskless machine is running, this message appear after directly after switc= h on PC. In xferlog is: Jun 9 18:50:56 storage tftpd[16527]: Got ERROR packet: TFTP Aborted Jun 9 18:50:56 storage tftpd[16529]: Filename: 'pxeboot' Jun 9 18:50:56 storage tftpd[16529]: Mode: 'octet' Jun 9 18:50:56 storage tftpd[16529]: 192.168.2.50: read request for //pxeb= oot: success Version of dhcpd isc-dhcp41-server-4.1.e,2. dhcpd.conf option domain-name "ucebna.int"; option domain-name-servers 192.168.2.1; default-lease-time 600; max-lease-time 7200; authoritative; log-facility local7; subnet 192.168.2.0 netmask 255.255.255.192 { option subnet-mask 255.255.255.192; option broadcast-address 192.168.2.63; # amd64 group { next-server 192.168.2.59; filename "pxeboot"; option root-path "storage.ucebna.int:/usr/local/storage/PC/= amd64"; use-host-decl-names on; host pc-50.ucebna.int { hardware ethernet 00:0c:29:e1:fd:89; fixed-address 192.168.2.50; } } And tcpdump of traffic: http://www.krejca.info/tcpdump.txt Thank you for advice. Radek From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 10 11:59:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63821106566B for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 11:59:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 107048FC17 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 11:59:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwc9 with SMTP id 9so1694188qwc.13 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 04:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.180.78 with SMTP id bt14mr1425339qab.238.1307707187372; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 04:59:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (twdp-174-109-142-001.nc.res.rr.com [174.109.142.1]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m16sm2147331qck.40.2011.06.10.04.59.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 10 Jun 2011 04:59:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3QrMW35b11z2CG44 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 07:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 07:59:43 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110610075943.497793ee@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> <15630_1307624948_4DF0C5F4_15630_82_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C4A2@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110609184829.GC33714@guilt.hydra> <20110609222807.GA34570@guilt.hydra> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 11:59:49 -0000 On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 17:37:14 -0700 Chuck Swiger articulated: > On Jun 9, 2011, at 3:28 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > > In many cases, it's not even obvious which of the products I find > > are suitable for building various types of network switches. Do > > you know of any Webpages that might help me rectify my dearth of > > understanding in this area? > > You can get an unmanaged 24-port 10/100/1000 switch for less than $10 > per port, and a good managed switch for about $30 per port. > > A cheap quad-port GB NIC runs $200 or $50 per port; and one from > Intel or Cisco which can actually run all of the ports near rated > line speed is closer to $100 per port. You simply can't build a > commodity PC using these and end up anywhere near the price point of > a dedicated switch. Or, as it is commonly stated, "You get what you pay for." -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 10 12:34:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31373106564A for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:34:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [66.251.72.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4938FC0A for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:34:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nber7.nber.org (nber7.nber.org [66.251.72.41]) by mail2.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5ACY66R045539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 10 Jun 2011 08:34:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from localhost (feenberg@localhost) by nber7.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p5ACY6Ih019423; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 08:34:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: nber7.nber.org: feenberg owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 08:34:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Feenberg To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20110610075943.497793ee@scorpio> Message-ID: References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> <15630_1307624948_4DF0C5F4_15630_82_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C4A2@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110609184829.GC33714@guilt.hydra> <20110609222807.GA34570@guilt.hydra> <20110610075943.497793ee@scorpio> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LFD 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Anti-Virus: Kaspersky Anti-Virus for Linux Mail Server 5.6.39/RELEASE, bases: 20110610 #5487764, check: 20110610 clean Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:34:11 -0000 On Fri, 10 Jun 2011, Jerry wrote: > On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 17:37:14 -0700 > Chuck Swiger articulated: > >> On Jun 9, 2011, at 3:28 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: >>> In many cases, it's not even obvious which of the products I find >>> are suitable for building various types of network switches. Do >>> you know of any Webpages that might help me rectify my dearth of >>> understanding in this area? >> >> You can get an unmanaged 24-port 10/100/1000 switch for less than $10 >> per port, and a good managed switch for about $30 per port. >> >> A cheap quad-port GB NIC runs $200 or $50 per port; and one from >> Intel or Cisco which can actually run all of the ports near rated >> line speed is closer to $100 per port. You simply can't build a >> commodity PC using these and end up anywhere near the price point of >> a dedicated switch. > I wouldn't think the OP was interested in saving money, there are other reasons for building your own switch. For example, there is a famous article "Tricks you can do if your firewall is also a bridge": http://www.usenix.org/events/neta99/full_papers/limoncelli/limoncelli_html/ Dan Feenberg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 10 15:30:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D263106566B for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:30:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pwnedomina@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA3838FC0C for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:30:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so2730305wyf.13 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 08:30:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=7OoUyUpkIELIijJ/RaauL8gjVcy0VOJJNdDkcKD/UOE=; b=aAFu7kl9v87FgysX30ydbHsL0hDvv+uxMTfPJmJ5slFCXkmj8Af7AJpCFNQSBEFkjx O1bTwxVLm6NE/IEX+z8F9e88EmqXzOLGhkbbGH1ulcDX1CdqkiImrU+HrA4szKHSI8+W kgUOT5UVMs1hC4VOkfp9FQHtTx/Pk3tsL2Jes= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=V01muHVlW05weI8bHqpCHR/diXq/l7de7ynMtwqsmtVJ0Hh085ZA9R4m2BlOu8mU3J 0DF8ek6Qd3a6AWiRRXr7ZaMu92ugQCmETCiqUPYnf1jJoYSXw2jpj/2G5qCbOojokPp9 KEKbWSo4y2KxwATyYvJISyJyeuI2qUb4eUkMY= Received: by 10.227.201.142 with SMTP id fa14mr2296198wbb.48.1307719807646; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 08:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.71] (bl16-116-147.dsl.telepac.pt [188.81.116.147]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p21sm2111607wbh.57.2011.06.10.08.30.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 10 Jun 2011 08:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4DF23880.4000806@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 16:30:08 +0100 From: pwnedomina User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4DEFBC30.2040102@gmail.com> <4DF08A9B.2040100@my.gd> <4DF0D46C.9060009@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4DF0D46C.9060009@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: root-portal compilation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:30:09 -0000 On 09-06-2011 15:10, pwnedomina wrote: > On 09-06-2011 09:55, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> >> On 6/8/11 8:15 PM, pwnedomina wrote: >>> There is no port for root-portal, i've tried to compile it manually >>> without success. While trying to compile root-portal I get this error: >>> process.h:59: error: extra qualification 'Procchange::' on member >>> 'updated' >>> *** Error code 1 >>> >>> Stop in /usr/home/user/root-portal-0.5.2/src/modules/process. >>> *** Error code 1 >>> >>> Stop in /usr/home/user/root-portal-0.5.2/src/modules. >>> *** Error code 1 >>> >>> Stop in /usr/home/user/root-portal-0.5.2/src. >>> *** Error code 1 >>> >>> Stop in /usr/home/user/root-portal-0.5.2. >>> >>> Can someone reproduce the same problem? I've tried to patch it using >>> thishttp://old.nabble.com/Bug-358277:-FTBFS-with-G++-4.1:-extra-qualification-p3525146.html >>> >>> >>> but I still get errors... >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> While I haven't tried to reproduce your problem, if I were you I >> would post: >> >> - my version of freebsd >> - my version of gcc >> >> Just saying ;) >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE > Using built-in specs. > Target: i386-undermydesk-freebsd > Configured with: FreeBSD/i386 system compiler > Thread model: posix > gcc version 4.2.1 20070719 [FreeBSD] > > > it seems i cant have help from developer.. so help please.. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 10 17:11:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53A09106564A for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 17:11:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.38.55]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F1B78FC19 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 17:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 9826 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2011 17:11:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2011 17:11:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=Qe2lts6V8+WV17DysJ4vF2WQXfRygPKy706YOt9GwGYrrMrDWOhPHKs5SDOnyM+LJyChL6YJRVvl4+xAcbSdWffYUTZk0AsqWwCMl4Z81R7UPzdUu8FdvBt45CrCgpZu; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QV5F8-0005fP-QC for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 11:11:35 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 10 Jun 2011 10:56:39 -0600 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 10:56:39 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110610165639.GA38479@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> <15630_1307624948_4DF0C5F4_15630_82_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C4A2@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110609184829.GC33714@guilt.hydra> <20110609222807.GA34570@guilt.hydra> <20110610075943.497793ee@scorpio> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 17:11:39 -0000 --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 08:34:06AM -0400, Daniel Feenberg wrote: >=20 > I wouldn't think the OP was interested in saving money, there are > other reasons for building your own switch. For example, there is > a famous article "Tricks you can do if your firewall is also > a bridge": >=20 > http://www.usenix.org/events/neta99/full_papers/limoncelli/limoncelli_h= tml/ I'll read that. Sounds interesting. To be perfectly clear, the reason I'm looking into this is that I tend to like to understand how things work, and to know how to build things I need (most of the reason I got into programming in the first place). Toward that end, I've decided to look into how one would build a switch, and discovered that -- for the most part -- it seems one *wouldn't* build a switch, so I decided to ask here since the subject of switches came up. Obviously, a switch needs some kind of software running on it; it seems reasonable to me that FreeBSD should be able to serve as the necessary software, if only I can figure out how to build a switch from commodity parts without completely breaking the bank. In addition to that, it would be kinda nice to have a switch whose internals I understand so that port-by-port failure of a switch will not occur as a mysterious process I don't quite grasp, as so often occurs with dedicated switches. The fact any switches built after the turn of the century seem to start dying within three years seems like a big problem (I have one 10/100 Linksys switch from before the turn of the century that still works great), after all. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk3yTMcACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVPvgCfdeaeQYJ83Gw8N28+LhMuIoOD NVcAn0hpM6lcD/SOZ4Mbnj9s6WfIojQo =Dwnt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 10 19:29:37 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79E7C1065675 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 19:29:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5513E8FC0A for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 19:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2E6EAE8077F; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:29:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:29:36 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: "C. P. Ghost" Message-ID: <20110610192936.GB16969@thought.org> References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> <20110609035313.GA30448@guilt.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 24++ years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 19:29:37 -0000 On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 08:10:05AM +0200, C. P. Ghost wrote: > Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 08:10:05 +0200 > From: "C. P. Ghost" > Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into > To: FreeBSD Mailing List > > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 5:53 AM, Chad Perrin wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 05:56:59PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > >> > >> I'm still bringing back the dozens of things I removed from ethic. > >> And testing new ideas.  But I have a general question: have any of > >> you wizards who run your own domains or otherwise use a switch [or > >> hub] *ever* had it just-quit?!  It is solid-state.  Yes, the box is > >> within my feet/foot reach.  I have accidently kicked it i suppose, > >> but still. > > > > I think I've just had ports die one by one on a switch until it no longer > > worked.  I don't think I've ever had the whole thing go poof for no > > evident reason. > > Same here... a lot of times. > > My last experience with a dying port on a switch was a few days ago > while JumpStart-ing Solaris via OBP. The process hung everywhere > from RARP, BOOTP, TFTP and NFS... until we figured out the port > on the switch was slowly dying. > > Funny thing was that this problem was masked by TCP's error correction > mechanisms for quite some time and became only critical with UDP: the > TCP connections were slow as hell, but since the machine wasn't used for > high throughput anyway, the local junior admin assumed it was some kind > of software/hardware error on the host. She saw the many input errors (Ierrs) > in netstat -i, but didn't know what to do about them. ;-) > > So yes, switches rarely stop altogether, the ports usually degrade, one > by one. > > > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] > > -cpghost. > > -- > Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ I was fighting a very long left un-upgraded 7.3 on my server one day; and the next morning, nothing worked! But finally, after pulling out my one remaining hair, I figured it out. And now I know enough to have a spare switch nearby. Like Al Plant mentioned, up-queue. I just cron'd portupgrade to run more frequently [with pkgdb following]. Etc. Been doing this for a long time but there are always new things to learn. -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 8.51a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 10 19:41:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C203106564A for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 19:41:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david+dated+1308165107.fdbca6@skytracker.ca) Received: from 3s1.com (3s1.com [209.161.205.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4698C8FC12 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 19:41:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 3s1.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by 3s1.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5AJBlvX053104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:11:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from david+dated+1308165107.fdbca6@skytracker.ca) Received: (from david@localhost) by 3s1.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p5AJBl3C053088 for questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:11:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from david+dated+1308165107.fdbca6@skytracker.ca) X-Authentication-Warning: 3s1.com: david set sender to david+dated+1308165107.fdbca6@skytracker.ca using -f Received: by 3s1.com (tmda-sendmail, from uid 1000); Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:11:47 -0400 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:11:46 -0400 To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110610191145.GA36779@skytracker.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) From: David Banning Cc: Subject: copying hard drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 19:41:44 -0000 I am interested in copying hard drives and would like some feedback. 1. I would like a way to take peoples windows -or- unix systems and store each on portable hard drive as a single file - so that in the end I have a large, say 2TB drive with a number of peoples operating system backed up - that can later be restored. One concern I have is that the file saved is under a certain generic standard - I don't want to be in a situation down the road where I need to restore, but the required software to restore is defunct. It would be nice to have the operating system on a stick - so I could boot into the program from a clients computer, connect a large drive, and backup their entire drive. 2. I'd like a simple way to copy - my FreeBSD system to another drive - a clone so to speak - which I know dd can do - but I wonder if there is a way to do this so that clone drive can be smaller that the original. My thinking here is that I need to experiment with changes but can't do it on a live system - hence the copy booted from a separate machine. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 10 20:10:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC57106564A for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 20:10:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from btillman99@yahoo.com) Received: from nm21.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm21.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 72E978FC16 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 20:10:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.91.67] by nm21.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2011 19:57:13 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.16] by tm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2011 19:57:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2011 19:57:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 407518.89980.bm@omp1016.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 44728 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jun 2011 19:57:12 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1307735832; bh=ev4zlLZz5q7kiw91YI6OzAiZE+Bvmk/kKElCZppsZdI=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=b0lQpyBcDM8z21OCle0ACYtwGoEoTLoGymXM9I7bcc82YZ6pHGs+xLT+OCgGBY/oNI9+NhKJaIF6oFiC/8z4VREWihexhV2A6rK12e+sYdH0/jsTVj7zn+TB3DRKQnAf/EMFt5609AVmIgqbj+3Ea0WakoUmeImEHHoITCdNapA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xYdNiN6EI3EHULabQJYtPfXitY/YYIXRMxSBvKaE9TfPalEUYj62YaWlwjdT3sxCh1bqrsrEh0AyaN//vnj8k0i77t8O1qtDvpDFiJA7INQ5fkukIRO7HKan/BFcQt6DuVKF2jjp4w0tFyIqdWj9lVaC9voG2Bd9MvlUBPXGYmU=; Message-ID: <800967.38829.qm@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: tL5jW6UVM1kZUSEKLM7l3ugnAfnC93j.52ygDvUM0jxpqYB U76J.RyWunGdea8EiI7gI2LsqE5IOd92yeyEmyrEChmnk6peHZDEuAGGvugm S2EPnUXHdSsZO5y4Gph7Z_sMIXxXtfm3chevMx5J9SEkG_g4ZHw5WwCkXEq7 _WL3aTfe8a_MleXJ9qTxaZvOJfVAQJWgDz4DGgPEsN5fuDLoJYx1YL3EgLZ6 ClRLZlfwGq3yjMqnKiP9U2ciqV1ePjZkzAioqkXnO3wNbysjORz9vXs1TqHg 9jorZopDDyLsiHbf0YDP6v4gz2T4OFWXtgVp.TaVq9wv5rr8Cxc0hUDim19H nRrEzIeSrtFwjTouhjT0atUCTQcHoypfeVQDpkDXA6DmQFBA.r1bi1EMx Received: from [98.242.233.74] by web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:57:12 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/570 YahooMailWebService/0.8.111.304355 References: <20110610191145.GA36779@skytracker.ca> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:57:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Tillman To: David Banning , questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20110610191145.GA36779@skytracker.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: copying hard drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 20:10:29 -0000 =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: David Banning =0ATo: questions@freebsd.org=0ASent: Fri,= June 10, 2011 3:11:46 PM=0ASubject: copying hard drives=0A=0AI am interest= ed in copying hard drives and would like some feedback.=0A=0A1. I would lik= e a way to take peoples windows -or- unix systems and=0Astore each on porta= ble hard drive as a single file - so that in the=0Aend I have a large, say = 2TB drive with a number of peoples operating=0Asystem backed up - that can = later be restored.=A0 =0A=0AOne concern I have is that the file saved is un= der a certain generic=0Astandard - I don't want to be in a situation down t= he road where I=0Aneed to restore, but the required software to restore is = defunct.=0AIt would be nice to have the operating system on a stick - so I= =0Acould boot into the program from a clients computer, connect a large=0Ad= rive, and backup their entire drive.=0A=0A2. I'd like a simple way to copy = - my FreeBSD system to another=0Adrive - a clone so to speak - which I know= dd can do - but I wonder=0Aif there is a way to do this so that clone driv= e can be smaller that=0Athe original. My thinking here is that I need to ex= periment with=0Achanges but can't do it on a live system - hence the copy b= ooted=0Afrom a separate machine.=0A________________________________________= _______=0Afreebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list=0Ahttp://lists.freebsd= .org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions=0ATo unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"=0A=0A=0A=0ALook into G4U...Ghos= t for Unix. It's a free and based on NetBSD. It will clone a =0Adrive, make= images of drives, etc...and you can't beat the price. I've used it =0Asucc= essfully many times. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 10 20:22:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73ED8106566C for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 20:22:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrei693@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED19E8FC0A for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 20:22:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyg7 with SMTP id 7so1443392eyg.13 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 13:22:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=EIuKovdasp0WWbN5IJLo24Bh3Y4ZLexAo9uZDVKZXYg=; b=IGnsYoUMgIssByhtGOA8q3qfhzzSBWHJb/qcEHG4VgDrZY8BHmLP5IOM8+r+e1X11F VWyPBdiD4uTzA284Fb8vDQafo31dPA4moA+PKGpDE48m8tXpXdVq+hEriHHO0Zmx1m9A SoybubpaWUJUvhnLjGyIxmVCdN+r5R0O7J+G0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jaB+GiJ+I02uKdFRZXqs/e5yFqZfIz3Blpdt/RyWqOO9mzdds7sqyc9KM7IuzrlcOo Tqi4Z7MXkeEDx7KBWm48OttLBAFBizwks0UcZFEtWZQxwkCzi5fGc4K+Zz0EnQ61yyMp +wWsieBZPThnWM4ZEo+3B5DD1rAOmh85jRo30= Received: by 10.14.44.7 with SMTP id m7mr1109068eeb.72.1307735838222; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dhcp-077-251-165-041.chello.nl [77.251.165.41]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x46sm2695704eea.24.2011.06.10.12.57.17 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:57:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4DF2770E.1070204@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:57:02 +0200 From: Andrei Brezan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110610191145.GA36779@skytracker.ca> In-Reply-To: <20110610191145.GA36779@skytracker.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: copying hard drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 20:22:49 -0000 On 10/06/2011 21:11, David Banning wrote: > I am interested in copying hard drives and would like some feedback. > > 1. I would like a way to take peoples windows -or- unix systems and > store each on portable hard drive as a single file - so that in the > end I have a large, say 2TB drive with a number of peoples operating > system backed up - that can later be restored. > > One concern I have is that the file saved is under a certain generic > standard - I don't want to be in a situation down the road where I > need to restore, but the required software to restore is defunct. > It would be nice to have the operating system on a stick - so I > could boot into the program from a clients computer, connect a large > drive, and backup their entire drive. > > 2. I'd like a simple way to copy - my FreeBSD system to another > drive - a clone so to speak - which I know dd can do - but I wonder > if there is a way to do this so that clone drive can be smaller that > the original. My thinking here is that I need to experiment with > changes but can't do it on a live system - hence the copy booted > from a separate machine. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hi, Though it's not a FreeBSD related question, I would suggest clonezilla http://www.clonezilla.org/ as a good tool to accomplish your goals. I think it's also scriptable. Regards, -- Andrei Brezan email From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 10 20:37:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89389106566B for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 20:37:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B8108FC0C for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 20:37:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.70]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 00D1716B52D; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:05:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:04:27 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:04:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@noos.6dollardialup.com To: David Banning In-Reply-To: <20110610191145.GA36779@skytracker.ca> Message-ID: References: <20110610191145.GA36779@skytracker.ca> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: copying hard drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 20:37:48 -0000 On Fri, 10 Jun 2011, David Banning wrote: > 2. I'd like a simple way to copy - my FreeBSD system to another > drive - a clone so to speak - which I know dd can do - Won't reliably leave you with an operable system. Use dump and restore -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 10 22:37:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FA3C106566C for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 22:37:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from modulok@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24738FC08 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 22:37:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxm34 with SMTP id 34so190099yxm.13 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:37:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=aNjuaQWmFQf69IsV7Ygc2js9nWYlQlpMGEKKDbU2pKk=; b=RU5XV0AaCbM16yRaAfc8FkZxaCrAqbTrMKaFC5q7OyAB/e1eOHQAf4jngHSE1kBOlT 5FM4pFr4H1HZZZ/cEbqen0kGb/fX7GHSuChh6FUUQK3R6IgKK8pS/jH+F5VZauOUHt0N 77xqZaMFG+hcAA1gj6KbJMiLnFgB3qO7wAxvo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=tNAaUVTskXvScA9Y2hLcEvnh4veGjY5DjFvFKvg46m8Rw9mm6ZmHPhxskhwwh2Ml6d 6dX+iuPsf+3VjxCVYlg4xt5pc9zU+KZm96pSqJo/ypXCWXN1EmiK1tUSofplBtpoXrvm K5kcx/8c1OaBagJFKFRjBXO6iZJxvHuX+59c8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.15.34 with SMTP id 34mr2351950ano.165.1307743707499; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.174.2 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:08:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110610191145.GA36779@skytracker.ca> References: <20110610191145.GA36779@skytracker.ca> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 16:08:27 -0600 Message-ID: From: Modulok To: David Banning Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: copying hard drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 22:37:42 -0000 >> I would like a way to take peoples windows -or- unix systems and >> store each on portable hard drive as a single file - so that in the >> end I have a large, say 2TB drive with a number of peoples operating >> system backed up - that can later be restored. Use dd to make a sector-for-sector level copy into a file. It will work regardless of the operating system you're copying. However, be aware that some operating systems do not have a hardware abstraction layer. As such their kernels are optumised to run on the hardware they were installed on. They can can only be restored to the exact same hardware. This is usually the case with WindowsXP. (Though you can still mount and extract data from the dd generated image.) dd if=/dev/ad6 of=foo.bin bs=1m >> It would be nice to have the operating system on a stick - so I >> could boot into the program from a clients computer, connect a large >> drive, and backup their entire drive. You can do this with any 'live' operating system. Most UNIX like systems offer a comparable 'dd' command. For example, you could boot to an Ubuntu CD, or even Freesbie, if that's still around. >> which I know dd can do - but I wonder if there is a way to do this so that >> clone drive can be smaller that the original. For this on FreeBSD, use dump(8) and restore(8) commands. Of course, they will only be suitable for FreeBSD, as they are file system (UFS) dependent. -Modulok- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 10 23:26:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E71A61065670 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 23:26:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnorjudy@earthlink.net) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B5A8FC0C for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 23:26:29 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=hmohp5eEBiOQYzTbVNgRRdusP8nRrEtlv4Fp8I3tDA2UCTpG0VfekXQNPfyehVY5; h=Received:From:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [216.244.22.97] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1QVB5w-00027T-NN for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 19:26:29 -0400 From: John or Judy Hixson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 16:26:27 -0700 Message-Id: <01E3114E-02B1-44A2-A6B6-E0AE93A95E9A@earthlink.net> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-ELNK-Trace: a2d49588295e3af2f8c10fa22fe64701239a348a220c260932f99ed0bbde67716ee805a99b7a934e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.244.22.97 Subject: Need Help Installing and Configuring Xorg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 23:26:30 -0000 I'm having trouble getting Xorg to run on my just recently installed = FreeBSD 7.4-RELEASE(i386) system. I'm trying to follow the procedures in = Sections 5.3 and 5.4 of the Handbook and can't seem to get "startx" to = fire up; I get a black screen when I try. Here's what I've done so far: 1. Installed Xorg from packages per 5.3. That seemed ultimately = to go OK. 2. As my Xorg is version 7.5, I next enabled hald and dbus per = 5.4.2. 3. Then as I remember, I tried to startx and ended up with a = black screen from which I could not escape. Had to manually shut off and = restart the PC. 4. Next I think I went ahead with the Xorg -configure per 5.4.2. = and ended up with an error saying that "fbdev" was missing. Don't know = what fbdev is. 5. Somewhere in the mailing list archives I found a similar = error description that solved the problem by installing fbdev from = packages or ports or can't remember where. Anyway fbdev seemed to = install OK, at least I didn't see anymore error messages to that effect. 5. When I run Xorg -configure now and then look at the = configuration file xorg.conf.new, I can't see any obvious errors but of = course I mostly don't know what I'm l;ooking at. 6. The Handbook next suggests testing the configuration and = gives instructions for a modified command for later versions of Xorg. I = found that the modified command does not work. Fortunately my screen = tells me a different command to test the server config: X -config = /root/xorg.conf.new. 7. OK, so I try the alternative test command but still end up at = a black screen from which I've found no escape. (As an aside I'd sure = like to find a more graceful way to recover from that black screen. The = procedure described in 5.4.2, Ctrl+Alt+Bksp, does not work even when = enabled for later Xorg versions. Nor does Ctrl+Alt+Fn.) I'm sure there are logs or files I could supply that would help sort out = this problem; if I knew what they were I'd send them. As I don't have = email configured of the FreeBSD machine, I'll have to manually copy = those lines. I'm so new I don't know any other way to get text off of = the machine. Here's my hardware for what it's worth: SONY Vaio Desktop, Pentium 4 = 2.0GHz, 2GB RAM, GeForce FX5200 256MB PCI Vid Card, 2x IDE HDD's, = DVD-RW, CD-ROM, FDD. I do have my mouse (Ikari Optical), keyboard = (Logitech Wireless), and montior (ASUS LCD) running through a KVM, but = they haven't had any troubles being recognized and operating after = bootup. Would appreciate anyone's suggestions. Thanks. John Hixson=20= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 10 23:53:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E6AB1065676 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 23:53:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jherman@dichotomia.fr) Received: from mail.dichotomia.fr (hydrogen.dichotomia.net [91.121.82.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1CD78FC1E for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 23:53:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.18] (bgn92-1-81-57-223-72.fbx.proxad.net [81.57.223.72]) (Authenticated sender: kha@dichotomia.fr) by sslmail.dichotomia.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ADDA63DD07A for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 01:31:41 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4DF2A9F9.8090708@dichotomia.fr> Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 01:34:17 +0200 From: Jerome Herman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (sslmail.dichotomia.fr); Sat, 11 Jun 2011 01:31:41 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 23:53:17 -0000 On 09/06/2011 02:56, Gary Kline wrote: > Well, people, > > It's been a long, long century. I've been down for 5 days. > Couldn't understand _why_ I couldn't ping anywhere [expect the > Server itself]. Finally, tho, it became more and more likely that > my FreeBSD was fine ... even tho I kept stripping the most likely > problem points. My large 16-port LinkSys router was either *it* or > it was some kind of bug unknown to geekdom. After a friend bought > me a new (and tiny) 8-port switch, yes! I could ping everywhere. > > I'm still bringing back the dozens of things I removed from ethic. > And testing new ideas. But I have a general question: have any of > you wizards who run your own domains or otherwise use a switch [or > hub] *ever* had it just-quit?! It is solid-state. Yes, the box is > within my feet/foot reach. I have accidently kicked it i suppose, > but still. > > After wandering in the wilderness for 5 days,<>, dunno. > > gary > > PS: yes, this is a serious question. 1) I like things-Cisco, and > LinkSys. I just bought this switch about 2.5 years ago, so I really > am looking for feedback. > > PPS: Another question to ask about upgrading is next. > > I had a lot of faulty switch, either going all out by themselves or doing stranger things. The most common thing is of course the defective port - One port will start spurting errors and eventually die, with little to no impact on the rest of the ports. (easy to detect : ping on one port vs ping on an other port) Another common error is the "I want full duplex" error. The switch will announce itself as full duplex before falling back to half duplex immediately. Most of the time the port will act fine, but under heavy load you will have a nice panel of network error happening one after the other. (Also easy to detect : force connected elements to half duplex for test, if everything starts working again you got your problem) Of course there is also the problem with "not so anti-loopback" switches - that cause packets to go round and round and round and round. (ping will be very inconsistent in its timing, going from a few ms to entire seconds) On pure level 2 switches I had few other problems - though two took me days to figure out : 1 - Faulty power source : The switch could simply not bear full load anymore. Various errors, packet corruption, DHCP errors, misrouting and so on. When tested port by port, functions by functions the switch would work wonders. I spent an entire week testing every boxes for virus/trojan/rootkits/DHCP rogue servers. The problem was only solved after I changed every element of the network one by one. Final diagnostic made by Netgear 2 - Memory corruption (suspected, not validated) : Everything would work fine from 9 A.M to 3 to 4 P.M for an entire branch, then the network would slow to a crawl. Rebooting the switches would solve the problem for a while and then it would be nightmare again after less than an hour. Some boxes would complain about duplicate IP addresses. We managed to find that most of the defective IP addresses converged to just one switch - from there we theorized that there was a problem with the ARP cache of the switch that would make it explode after a sufficient number of updates (since there was a lot of VPN connection made after 3PM, we imagined that it was the triggering factor). We took of the switch and replaced it, but no light came from the manufacturer to either confirm or infirm our theories. Jerome From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 11 00:24:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30C9C1065674 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 00:24:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 071CC8FC15 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 00:24:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C3749C2; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 20:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 20:24:23 -0400 From: Daniel Staal To: John or Judy Hixson , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <6B25F4E32F59B195428730A7@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: <01E3114E-02B1-44A2-A6B6-E0AE93A95E9A@earthlink.net> References: <01E3114E-02B1-44A2-A6B6-E0AE93A95E9A@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: Need Help Installing and Configuring Xorg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 00:24:25 -0000 --As of June 10, 2011 4:26:27 PM -0700, John or Judy Hixson is alleged to have said: > I'm having trouble getting Xorg to run on my just recently installed > FreeBSD 7.4-RELEASE(i386) system. I'm trying to follow the procedures in > Sections 5.3 and 5.4 of the Handbook and can't seem to get "startx" to > fire up; I get a black screen when I try. Here's what I've done so far: --As for the rest, it is mine. Weird question: Have you installed xterm yet? Without a window manager configured, startx will try to open X with a single xterm window. (At least, as installed from ports, I believe.) I'm not sure what it would do if it couldn't find xterm, but a blank black screen sounds possible... If I'm right, Xorg is _running,_ you just haven't started any programs in it. Which you might be able to see if you ssh'd into the box. If so, you could kill Xorg and get your terminal back on your standard terminal. Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 11 04:29:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B711106564A for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 04:29:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from myself@rdtan.net) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 423388FC18 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 04:29:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxm34 with SMTP id 34so303792yxm.13 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.83.1 with SMTP id k1mr3885166ybl.389.1307766560584; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xhost.local (x.aboutbsd.net [206.125.171.138]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 24sm116378ybr.20.2011.06.10.21.29.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4DF2EF14.8060002@rdtan.net> Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 12:29:08 +0800 From: Edward User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John or Judy Hixson References: <01E3114E-02B1-44A2-A6B6-E0AE93A95E9A@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <01E3114E-02B1-44A2-A6B6-E0AE93A95E9A@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Need Help Installing and Configuring Xorg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 04:29:23 -0000 On 6/11/11 7:26 AM, John or Judy Hixson wrote: > I'm having trouble getting Xorg to run on my just recently installed FreeBSD [snip] > Would appreciate anyone's suggestions. Thanks. John Hixson If you're trying to try FreeBSD as a Desktop, PC BSD (http://pcbsd.org/) would definitely make your life much easier. :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 11 09:14:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC8E106566B for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 09:14:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@snap.net.nz) Received: from unit0.ironport.snap.net.nz (unit0.ironport.snap.net.nz [202.37.100.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D78F8FC0C for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 09:14:51 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnYHAGUv803KfG1m/2dsb2JhbABQA5Z/gReON6kEnxiDOYJrBJE0j3I X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,351,1304251200"; d="scan'208";a="60079312" Received: from rupert.snap.net.nz ([202.37.100.140]) by smtp0.ironport.snap.net.nz with ESMTP; 11 Jun 2011 21:04:15 +1200 X-Sender-IP: 202.124.109.102 Received: from akllappt.local (102.109.124.202.static.snap.net.nz [202.124.109.102]) by rupert.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E004201E5 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 21:04:14 +1200 (NZST) Message-ID: <4DF32F8D.8090804@snap.net.nz> Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 21:04:13 +1200 From: Peter Toth User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110421 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: geli boot password + aesni X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 09:14:52 -0000 Hi there, Before filing a bug report (and to confirm my sanity) thought will share my experiences with AESNI and GELI. Also, hopefully this will save someone else a couple of days of running in a circle... I was trying to set up an encrypted root zpool on a laptop (core i7) with AESNI enabled and boot time password prompt for the encryption key. All is OK until the boot password prompt comes up. Entering the correct password will result in password rejection. Traced down the problem to AESNI(4). If I set up the root disk without AESNI loaded in the kernel and boot without AESNI everything works as expected. As soon as AESNI is loaded during geli init and during boot time, the password fails no matter what. Also encountered an other problem: if AESNI is used for geli init, zpool (data) is not accessible later if AESNI is disabled. geli mounts the encrypted provider but no data is available on it. For summary there are 2 problems: 1. GELI boot time password fails no matter what if AESNI is enabled and AESNI was used during geli init. 2. If AESNI was loaded and used for geli init - disabling AESNI later will result in inaccessible data on the provider. Both of these problems are fully reproducible. The system is FreeBSD 8.2 amd64 running on corei7 with AHCI and zpool v15. Anyone seen this behavior before or has some ideas what else to check? Many thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 11 09:18:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58F28106566B for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 09:18:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bret@busby.net) Received: from fallbackmx09.syd.optusnet.com.au (fallbackmx09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.242]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1F408FC08 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 09:18:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.184]) by fallbackmx09.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p5B7MT1o017628 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 17:22:29 +1000 Received: from mailserver.busby.net (d122-104-112-165.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au [122.104.112.165]) by mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p5B7MP7m010403 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 17:22:26 +1000 Received: from bretnewworkstation.busby.net (bretnewworkstation.busby.net [192.168.2.95]) by mailserver.busby.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8294616811; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 15:38:38 +0800 (WST) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 15:18:57 +0800 (WST) From: Bret Busby To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (DEB 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Subject: Query about FreeBSD and primary partitions requirements X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 09:18:25 -0000 hello. Some time ago, I asked on this list, about installing FreeBSD, and it was then confirmed that FreeBSD requires to be installed in a primary partition. That is consistent with the current FreeBSD Handbook, which states "FreeBSD must be installed into a primary partition." However, in the last couple of days, I have been advised that FreeBSD can be installed in, and, quite happily runs in, a logical partition within an extended partition. Has anyone other than the person who advised me of that, tested the installation and operation of FreeBSD, within a logical patition of an extended partition, that has given a result that confirms that FeeBSD can now be successfully installed and run, in a logical partition of an extended partition of a hard drive? Thank you in anticipation. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .............. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 .................................................... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 11 13:29:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08C56106566C for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 13:29:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66DFE8FC16 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 13:29:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p5BDTha4058008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 14:29:51 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p5BDTha4058008 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1307798991; bh=lj0fYn1vqc6OTVTXYpqzOKQbsCfV8teX9TKq/y/h6IM=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4DF36DBF.7020500@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20S at,=2011=20Jun=202011=2014:29:35=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-US=3B=20r v:1.9.2.17)=20Gecko/20110414=20Thunderbird/3.1.10|MIME-Version:=20 1.0|To:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20Query=20a bout=20FreeBSD=20and=20primary=20partitions=20requirements|Referen ces:=20|In-Reply-To:=20|X-Enigmail-Version:=201.1.1|OpenPGP:=20id= 3D60AE908C|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1 =3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boun dary=3D"------------enigC18FC2FC2F1CCCD3E4B6A499"; b=SvE1XQwrTwT0hecvEYWs7d9JNfu14hxtD97avXb5HeasPwZYK+tRPMW/NJeN9+HO6 C+kAtUV43AA56EU/57pO/oM3JRVeuK//JyRkoJkl/gm+jjVKrAnvt7hmdV8HWaDS/M YO/Qhf59R0BFmu0/8w7e0hpmzhbxR5RbT3GMd90o= Message-ID: <4DF36DBF.7020500@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 14:29:35 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigC18FC2FC2F1CCCD3E4B6A499" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: Query about FreeBSD and primary partitions requirements X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 13:29:56 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigC18FC2FC2F1CCCD3E4B6A499 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/06/2011 08:18, Bret Busby wrote: > Some time ago, I asked on this list, about installing FreeBSD, and it > was then confirmed that FreeBSD requires to be installed in a primary > partition. >=20 > That is consistent with the current FreeBSD Handbook, which states > "FreeBSD must be installed into a primary partition." >=20 > However, in the last couple of days, I have been advised that FreeBSD > can be installed in, and, quite happily runs in, a logical partition > within an extended partition. >=20 > Has anyone other than the person who advised me of that, tested the > installation and operation of FreeBSD, within a logical patition of an > extended partition, that has given a result that confirms that FeeBSD > can now be successfully installed and run, in a logical partition of an= > extended partition of a hard drive? FreeBSD can mount and use filesystems created on partitions inside 'extended partition' type slices (cue standard exposition of the difference between partitions and slices in FreeBSD-speak.) True. However, I believe that you may well have difficulty *booting* FreeBSD unless the kernel (ie. /boot) can be read from a primary partition. Also, I don't think sysinstall(8) groks extended partitions very well, so you will probably have some fun doing the actual installation. Certainly not impossible, but not something you should contemplate if you still consider yourself just a beginner. Of course, this discussion only applies to DOS MBR style partitioning, which is fairly rapidly going the way of the Dodo (at least in the FreeBSD world.) Unless you need the backwards compatibility, GPT looks like a much more attractive proposition for a new machine nowadays. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigC18FC2FC2F1CCCD3E4B6A499 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3zbccACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxHmgCfSW7PjXMxWjUYsRpsnVpZJoPA g5AAn16f0TLLHhz03phOtSKU+71sfQuQ =e552 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigC18FC2FC2F1CCCD3E4B6A499-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 11 15:09:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E03D21065670 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 15:09:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from smtp.3dresearch.com (dorabella.3dresearch.com [66.167.251.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A5978FC0A for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 15:09:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fracasso.3dresearch.com (pool-72-95-203-91.pitbpa.east.verizon.net [72.95.203.91]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vmail.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 304CE39995 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 11:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fracasso.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fracasso.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F14B5C4F for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 11:09:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 11:09:08 -0400 From: Janos Dohanics To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20110611110908.e4056da2.web@3dresearch.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.0 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: System stop X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 15:09:30 -0000 Last night one of my systems stopped, it's FreeBSD 7.4-STABLE, i386. In /var/log/messages I found this: Jun 10 23:11:59 mail1 acpi: resumed at 20110610 23:11:59 Jun 10 23:11:59 mail1 postfix/postfix-script[50651]: stopping the Postfix mail system Jun 10 23:11:59 mail1 postfix/master[92051]: terminating on signal 15 Jun 10 23:11:59 mail1 ntpd[746]: ntpd exiting on signal 15 Jun 10 23:11:59 mail1 syslogd: exiting on signal 15 I guess the entry "acpi: resumed at 20110610 23:11:59" has to do something with the fact that the system had stopped - would some please comment on this? Does this entry indicate a hardware failure? -- Janos Dohanics From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 11 18:18:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77156106566B for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 18:18:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29FC08FC0A for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 18:18:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QVSl6-0006Xr-Gc for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 20:18:08 +0200 Received: from pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.85.36]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 20:18:08 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 20:18:08 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 14:25:53 -0400 Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <20110611110908.e4056da2.web@3dresearch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net Subject: Re: System stop X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 18:18:10 -0000 Janos Dohanics wrote: > Last night one of my systems stopped, it's FreeBSD 7.4-STABLE, i386. > In /var/log/messages I found this: > > Jun 10 23:11:59 mail1 acpi: resumed at 20110610 23:11:59 > Jun 10 23:11:59 mail1 postfix/postfix-script[50651]: stopping the Postfix > mail system Jun 10 23:11:59 mail1 postfix/master[92051]: terminating on > signal 15 Jun 10 23:11:59 mail1 ntpd[746]: ntpd exiting on signal 15 > Jun 10 23:11:59 mail1 syslogd: exiting on signal 15 > > I guess the entry "acpi: resumed at 20110610 23:11:59" has to do > something with the fact that the system had stopped - would some please > comment on this? Does this entry indicate a hardware failure? > Only a wild guess off the top of my head, but look at your BIOS and disable any power management sleep and/or suspend modes. Laptops can sleep, probably not a good idea for servers. Only a hasty guess, but maybe somewhere to start. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 11 19:32:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EA581065674 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 19:32:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5F568FC0C for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 19:32:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5BJWe0j096953; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 13:32:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p5BJWeOK096950; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 13:32:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 13:32:40 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: David Banning In-Reply-To: <20110610191145.GA36779@skytracker.ca> Message-ID: References: <20110610191145.GA36779@skytracker.ca> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 11 Jun 2011 13:32:41 -0600 (MDT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: copying hard drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 19:32:43 -0000 On Fri, 10 Jun 2011, David Banning wrote: > I am interested in copying hard drives and would like some feedback. > > 1. I would like a way to take peoples windows -or- unix systems and > store each on portable hard drive as a single file - so that in the > end I have a large, say 2TB drive with a number of peoples operating > system backed up - that can later be restored. I second using Clonezilla. It doesn't make a single file, but splits things into 2G files that aren't as unwieldy as larger files. Keep a copy of the Clonezilla CD or image with the backup. > 2. I'd like a simple way to copy - my FreeBSD system to another > drive - a clone so to speak - which I know dd can do - but I wonder > if there is a way to do this so that clone drive can be smaller that > the original. My thinking here is that I need to experiment with > changes but can't do it on a live system - hence the copy booted > from a separate machine. dd is a brute force copy method that has certain applications. Copying a FreeBSD disk is better done with dump and restore. I have some notes on all three of these methods in Backup Options For FreeBSD: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/backup.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 11 21:24:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD6F81065670 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 21:24:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A440B8FC0C for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 21:24:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id p5BLOkH5016363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 11 Jun 2011 14:24:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id p5BLOjwA016362; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 14:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA15082; Sat, 11 Jun 11 14:23:51 PDT Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 14:23:48 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk Message-Id: <4df3dce4.Q91HBbyqMmM23pOi%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <4DF36DBF.7020500@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4DF36DBF.7020500@infracaninophile.co.uk> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Query about FreeBSD and primary partitions requirements X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 21:24:47 -0000 Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 11/06/2011 08:18, Bret Busby wrote: > > the current FreeBSD Handbook ... states > > "FreeBSD must be installed into a primary partition." > > > > However, in the last couple of days, I have been advised that > > FreeBSD can be installed in, and, quite happily runs in, a > > logical partition within an extended partition. > > > > Has anyone other than the person who advised me of that, tested > > the installation and operation of FreeBSD, within a logical > > patition of an extended partition ...? > > FreeBSD can mount and use filesystems created on partitions inside > 'extended partition' type slices (cue standard exposition of the > difference between partitions and slices in FreeBSD-speak.) True. > > However, I believe that you may well have difficulty *booting* > FreeBSD unless the kernel (ie. /boot) can be read from a primary > partition. I presume the purpose of boot0ext.S is to build a boot0 (FreeBSD MBR) variant capable of booting from what MS call an "extended partition" -- boot0.S being used when booting from a "primary partition" -- but I've never tried to use it. I'm having enough "fun" trying to boot from a _different_ "unusual" configuration. > Also, I don't think sysinstall(8) groks extended partitions very > well, if at all ... > so you will probably have some fun doing the actual installation. Indeed. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 11 22:59:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C4F106564A for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 22:59:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [66.251.72.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 628C58FC13 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 22:59:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nber6.nber.org (nber6.nber.org [66.251.72.76]) by mail2.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5BMxlQY070442; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 18:59:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from localhost (feenberg@localhost) by nber6.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p5BMqo1a006112; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 18:52:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: nber6.nber.org: feenberg owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 18:52:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Feenberg X-X-Sender: feenberg@nber6 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Anti-Virus: Kaspersky Anti-Virus for Linux Mail Server 5.6.39/RELEASE, bases: 20110611 #5490967, check: 20110611 clean Subject: ftp installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 22:59:50 -0000 I have tried many of the ftp sites enumerated in sysinstall, with both 7.4-RELEASE and 8.2-RELEASE, and in all cases the installation proceeds for a few seconds and then hangs, with the last message on the console always being: DEBUG: Generating /etc/fstab file. This happens with several different systems. I believe it is not any hardware problem, since I was able to install 7.4 from NFS. (I have unrelated problems with 8.2). If I ftp to any of the mentioned FreeBSD ftp servers under manual control, I have no trouble downloading ISO files. The ftp sites tried include ftp[34567].freebsd.org and ftp10.us.freebsd.org. We have no firewall or proxy regulating outbound connections. Is there something off about the sysinstall ftp dialog? I don't see a way to monitor what is happening. Daniel Feenberg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 11 23:05:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EB21106566B for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 23:05:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@snap.net.nz) Received: from unit0.ironport.snap.net.nz (unit0.ironport.snap.net.nz [202.37.100.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4CDD8FC14 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 23:05:44 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqkHADL0803KfG1m/2dsb2JhbABRlwGBF444qyqeO4YkBJE0j3I X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,353,1304251200"; d="scan'208";a="60141171" Received: from rupert.snap.net.nz ([202.37.100.140]) by smtp0.ironport.snap.net.nz with ESMTP; 12 Jun 2011 11:05:43 +1200 X-Sender-IP: 202.124.109.102 Received: from akllappt.local (102.109.124.202.static.snap.net.nz [202.124.109.102]) by rupert.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id 2ED6C201E7 for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:05:43 +1200 (NZST) Message-ID: <4DF3F4C8.4090109@snap.net.nz> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:05:44 +1200 From: Peter Toth User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110421 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Boot from SD card is slow X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 23:05:45 -0000 Hi everyone, Recently converted an SD card for booting FreeBSD 8.2 (amd64). The card sits in the internal SD card slot of a laptop, The boot loader part takes ages to load, just loading 1 module take around 20 seconds. To pass the whole boot loader takes 3 minutes! I've tested the SD card for r/w speed and it outperformed my USB thumb drives. Anyone has any ideas what the cause might might be? Cheers, Peter From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 11 23:11:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D7AF106564A for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 23:11:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 427808FC12 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 23:11:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 23C4BE806F3; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 16:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 16:11:12 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20110611231109.GA10815@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 24++ years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Subject: some help still needed.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 23:11:14 -0000 Guys, This is both an ACK of thanks to the many listmembers who helped with the last problejm , and a request for further help. There are at least a couple thing that plague me when I try to get back to where things were before I _finally_ tracked the named/bin problem to it being a bad switch. The first is that php now keeps coring on me. It's a segv. According to the FBSD forums, if I comment-out all the php5-extensions, I will eventually figure out what's causing php to segv. Is this the only way? or the easiest way? Should I be using php5 or php52, or no-diff? I'm using php5.5.3.6 tia, gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 8.51a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 11 23:35:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 783C4106564A for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 23:35:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yi0-f54.google.com (mail-yi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31D018FC13 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 23:35:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yic13 with SMTP id 13so167217yic.13 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 16:35:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3FGKZ8T1YEPSAxSg+eDMg8f6nd+tT2m3DP84YXLj1OU=; b=Yaq8zhlFCvx5Q39JEOXNJIB6O5CbOHr+0il8EfAPc8CCRdbBR4RMG5CyVQEV7uFMZu JlPlYhRpueylYUvdj8gAMk/9HJ1HRpV9xwih6SwoIgs0nJEvJJtR2WnziWTELJCxn7rf jzmRRQmbtBY2+JUd0BiFHHBBcnuy0XI1wmr1A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=m0xgEOFW7f4IycTiIxfZ+QsDbmeaHJafFxUTtjvhuYXlQrdZ6P1RX2B3x1oJ7q+oPj dSrpVTRy38JSy2adeaiD9eWZdqScR6q7w1OkRrcowfYXk2vrKEtI3cQczUiE/iLEI41v Y5QMyMIAWxLrDLCbCSo+U7EAyBDoM0gkdpGpE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.152.32 with SMTP id e32mr3452724ano.45.1307835301150; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 16:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.243.35 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 16:35:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 19:35:00 -0400 Message-ID: From: Robert Simmons To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: ftp installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 23:35:02 -0000 On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Daniel Feenberg wrote: > > I have tried many of the ftp sites enumerated in sysinstall, with both > 7.4-RELEASE and 8.2-RELEASE, and in all cases the installation proceeds > for a few seconds and then hangs, with the last message on the console > always being: > > =A0DEBUG: Generating /etc/fstab file. > > This happens with several different systems. I believe it is not any > hardware problem, since I was able to install 7.4 from NFS. (I have > unrelated problems with 8.2). > > If I ftp to any of the mentioned FreeBSD ftp servers under manual control= , I > have no trouble downloading ISO files. The ftp sites tried include > ftp[34567].freebsd.org and ftp10.us.freebsd.org. We have no firewall or > proxy regulating outbound connections. > > Is there something off about the sysinstall ftp dialog? I don't see a way= to > monitor what is happening. Your firewall may be interfering with the connection. You may want to read the handbook section on FTP installs (the grey box at the bottom of the page): http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-media.htm= l You can determine if you are having a firewall problem specific to FTP by using an HTTP proxy install (if it works, you need to change your firewall rules). A convenient list of free and open http proxies is available here: http://www.xroxy.com/proxylist.htm Just narrow the list down to http proxies that are near you (US, I assume) then arrange them in order of ascending latency (there is a drop down menu for this). The top few should work great for you. I have found that going a step further will ensure using the fastest proxy. Just install netselect from the ports collection: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/net/netselect/pkg-descr http://apenwarr.ca/netselect/ then feed the top 10 proxies from xroxy to netselect and use the one it selects as fastest. All of this can be scripted using wget to scrape the data from xroxy when you need it, since free and open proxies disappear faster than fart in a fan factory. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 11 23:36:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4790106566B for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 23:36:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from editor@d3photography.com) Received: from qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C04AD8FC12 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 23:36:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.71]) by qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id unAX1g0061Y3wxoA8nNuqM; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 23:22:54 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.197] ([70.89.202.1]) by omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id unNW1g00D02K3z28bnNX9h; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 23:22:32 +0000 References: <20110611231109.GA10815@thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20110611231109.GA10815@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 8J3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPad Mail (8J3) From: Ryan Coleman Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 18:22:57 -0500 To: Gary Kline Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: some help still needed.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 23:36:06 -0000 Always on php the latest.. So php5.=20 On Jun 11, 2011, at 18:11, Gary Kline wrote: >=20 > Guys, >=20 > This is both an ACK of thanks to the many listmembers who helped > with the last problejm , and a request for further help. There are > at least a couple thing that plague me when I try to get back to > where things were before I _finally_ tracked the named/bin problem > to it being a bad switch. >=20 > The first is that php now keeps coring on me. It's a segv. > According to the FBSD forums, if I comment-out all the > php5-extensions, I will eventually figure out what's causing php to > segv. Is this the only way? or the easiest way? =20 >=20 > Should I be using php5 or php52, or no-diff? I'm using php5.5.3.6 >=20 >=20 >=20 > tia, >=20 > gary >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix= > Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org > The 8.51a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 11 23:36:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 026E2106564A for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 23:36:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D50488FC0C for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 23:36:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 58D73E806F3; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 16:36:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 16:36:10 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Ryan Coleman Message-ID: <20110611233610.GA11510@thought.org> References: <20110611231109.GA10815@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 24++ years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: some help still needed.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 23:36:11 -0000 On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 06:22:57PM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote: > Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 18:22:57 -0500 > From: Ryan Coleman > Subject: Re: some help still needed.... > To: Gary Kline > Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List > X-Mailer: iPad Mail (8J3) > > > Always on php the latest.. So php5. And, what's the easiest way to determine why # php segvs? > > On Jun 11, 2011, at 18:11, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > > Guys, > > > > This is both an ACK of thanks to the many listmembers who helped > > with the last problejm , and a request for further help. There are > > at least a couple thing that plague me when I try to get back to > > where things were before I _finally_ tracked the named/bin problem > > to it being a bad switch. > > > > The first is that php now keeps coring on me. It's a segv. > > According to the FBSD forums, if I comment-out all the > > php5-extensions, I will eventually figure out what's causing php to > > segv. Is this the only way? or the easiest way? > > > > Should I be using php5 or php52, or no-diff? I'm using php5.5.3.6 > > > > > > > > tia, > > > > gary > > > > > > -- > > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix > > Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org > > The 8.51a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 8.51a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org