From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 27 11:07:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1841065673 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 11:07:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 557CA8FC0A for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 11:07:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7RB7SDa086055 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 11:07:28 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7RB7RX4086053 for freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 11:07:27 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 11:07:27 GMT Message-Id: <201208271107.q7RB7RX4086053@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: gnats set sender to owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Current problem reports assigned to freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 11:07:28 -0000 Note: to view an individual PR, use: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=(number). The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o www/170915 www Out-dated dev links at http://www.freebsd.org/platform o www/170053 www Mailing list sort options broken for svn lists o www/166496 www HP-UX manual pages are mangled o www/161174 www Make http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/search.cgi search GNAT o www/159291 www Error 404 - when I try to send-pr over freebsd.org/es/ s www/157076 www freebsd-wireless mailing list not shown on web All Lis o www/149446 www [patch] improve misleading title of "report a bug" f www/146089 www On www.freebsd.org some IPv6 mirror sites do not work o www/145917 www SVG at logo.html is broken s www/140580 www svnweb file logs are useless s www/129923 www Need stylesheet for FreeBSD Subversion DAV tree s www/111791 www FreeBSD website messes up while using "links" browser s www/103522 www Search interface oddity s www/73551 www [request] fix list archive 'quoted-printable' corrupti s www/51135 www Problems with the mailing-lists search interface 15 problems total. 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Click here to see all of Stephen Nover's picks KEVIN THOMAS KEVIN THURSDAY NITE KICKOFF THREE PACK OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL THIS THURSDAY NAILING OVER 62 PERCENT LIFETIME COLLEGE AND READY TO CASH Click here to see all of Kevin Thomas's picks From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 28 08:59:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC72106567B; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 08:59:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [87.229.73.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A9FC8FC23; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 08:59:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.mypc.hu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E1EA14E7FC1; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 10:59:14 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at server.mypc.hu Received: from server.mypc.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id QzOq0RswM-mY; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 10:59:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (D94162B4.catv.pool.telekom.hu [217.65.98.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 15B6914E7F26; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 10:59:14 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <503C8863.7060209@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 10:59:15 +0200 From: Gabor Kovesdan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@FreeBSD.org References: <50326A70.5020009@FreeBSD.org> <20120826.002845.1234591490988245305.hrs@allbsd.org> <50390426.40604@FreeBSD.org> <20120826.025845.2271349946315727916.hrs@allbsd.org> <50392481.1070708@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <50392481.1070708@FreeBSD.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: doceng@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [CALL FOR REVIEW] doc and www converted to XML X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 08:59:20 -0000 FYI, I believe that all the so far reported problems have been fixed. Regenerated content is updated. If someone haven't checked it yet, it is still not late. Thanks for all the reports I got. Gabor From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 28 14:43:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B533B1065673; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 14:43:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pluknet@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33B908FC15; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 14:43:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3so13921843obb.13 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 07:43:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=YvkyhpZsXjZYRyw3tbqPBhVZMhnNqMHGhmc8boYQP5s=; b=ueQEPxzjfjEvu6/sLQ2zXONPnojv/ulcDDiqwV0tUkTZPFrRx8RZMnGYjfbxlSZnBw GVyYSUoVv1cCe+hoJNFxZ0zs/GIMinwtFUab/0u1ijapvZK0dny4Hn3EcNFEXSes/z8o bvsbbWapUGSdN+AOFsCndl8VdeHHCDg8MA+Fj57gVs2Wwi7jhUSEj8kDVwXv8OP/mMhZ HutXTIcvEQ90ZD2sK/w9YaZshAws47nE3pbPzG2AzJRixPZVWkflWhx833m9inIIw3BN Hxghc/PRgiX/D65mfZMYn7kA5Ot1u3118JSZfQwC5xYfXxbZIAyO0oyByw+m2whe2HqZ pkDw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.118.41 with SMTP id kj9mr9662816obb.57.1346165036567; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 07:43:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.13.97 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 07:43:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <503C8863.7060209@FreeBSD.org> References: <50326A70.5020009@FreeBSD.org> <20120826.002845.1234591490988245305.hrs@allbsd.org> <50390426.40604@FreeBSD.org> <20120826.025845.2271349946315727916.hrs@allbsd.org> <50392481.1070708@FreeBSD.org> <503C8863.7060209@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 18:43:56 +0400 Message-ID: From: Sergey Kandaurov To: Gabor Kovesdan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: doceng@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org, www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [CALL FOR REVIEW] doc and www converted to XML X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 14:43:57 -0000 On 28 August 2012 12:59, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: > FYI, I believe that all the so far reported problems have been fixed. > Regenerated content is updated. If someone haven't checked it yet, it is > still not late. Hi, at main page: http://people.freebsd.org/~gabor/xmlweb/data/ there is ports link (located at Shortcuts), that is http://people.freebsd.org/~gabor/xmlweb/data/ports/index.html It returns 404. -- wbr, pluknet From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 28 19:21:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D97F106564A for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 19:21:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jesusr@voztele.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C234C8FC0A for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 19:21:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ialo14 with SMTP id o14so14551280ial.13 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 12:21:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:precedence :x-autoreply:auto-submitted:x-gm-message-state; bh=7e6mAHHuet53Q+B+DqD00Bk+3lrPrltgKWV+eM/vDU0=; b=loqH5bb1+SwHOnNkWyqXN4jMyPoCU/phtNu2WKxfhfPE2J/+NOG8fbiA4IHfAouk4X c33C70U1RcsM4sEv1EuJOjemkN0TF2HzZhxb8+b9W18vwr0JuPcYtn/Zrf8CpKvQJliC QtJgp6obegULZTQSoRebrlW1QTBz66iVzE+3oKxYk63RsOBdxwk6H4C1xJ428ECIDV2D rR2TfoiyjfFr3LoeEp9Zid3nUrD1qmn7ctxdv27eHjdorSyaslLluAa8TOXlnSNhDfB1 dQ5OR381n387YKTvmajsMQ6PXiZbCOzgckNOEFiEYMwhebuVmv60Z5Ml999xRBwjdQg5 8TvA== Received: by 10.50.1.200 with SMTP id 8mr14987072igo.65.1346181692865; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 12:21:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 12:21:32 -0700 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs_Rodr=EDguez?=" To: www@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk X-Autoreply: yes Auto-Submitted: auto-replied X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkrpGpwku/9UZy55WGDtrMlSTShDKusBFonXH9pjmGJ+htYvxXsX1WV4CURDpIc88OivsCr Cc: Subject: Fuera de la oficina / Out of office Re: Cron nice -5 env supfile=gnats-supfile lockf_option="-t 120" /usr/local/www/bin/cvsup-mirror X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 19:21:35 -0000 Estar=E9 fuera de la oficina hasta el 3 de Septiembre. Si necesitas algo urgente ponte en contacto con tech@voztele.com o el 931590800. I'll be out of the office until September 3rd. If there is some urgent issue, please, contact with tech@voztele.com or +34931590800 Saludos / Regards. --=20 Saludos JesusR. ------------------------------------ Jesus Rodriguez VozTelecom Sistemas, S.L. jesusr@voztele.com http://www.voztele.com Tel. 902360305 ------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 29 13:16:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D850106566B; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 13:16:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.allbsd.org (gatekeeper.allbsd.org [IPv6:2001:2f0:104:e001::32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 837F08FC12; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 13:16:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alph.allbsd.org (p2214-ipbf2707funabasi.chiba.ocn.ne.jp [123.225.119.214]) (authenticated bits=128) by mail.allbsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7TDG6jx067808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 29 Aug 2012 22:16:16 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by alph.allbsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7TDG4DR079344; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 22:16:06 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 22:10:19 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20120829.221019.266908030257017857.hrs@allbsd.org> To: gabor@FreeBSD.org From: Hiroki Sato In-Reply-To: <50392481.1070708@FreeBSD.org> References: <50390426.40604@FreeBSD.org> <20120826.025845.2271349946315727916.hrs@allbsd.org> <50392481.1070708@FreeBSD.org> X-PGPkey-fingerprint: BDB3 443F A5DD B3D0 A530 FFD7 4F2C D3D8 2793 CF2D X-Mailer: Mew version 6.5 on Emacs 23.4 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="--Security_Multipart(Wed_Aug_29_22_10_19_2012_052)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.4 at gatekeeper.allbsd.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mail.allbsd.org [133.31.130.32]); Wed, 29 Aug 2012 22:16:17 +0900 (JST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.1 required=13.0 tests=CONTENT_TYPE_PRESENT, ONLY1HOPDIRECT, SAMEHELOBY2HOP, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on gatekeeper.allbsd.org Cc: doceng@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [CALL FOR REVIEW] doc and www converted to XML X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 13:16:25 -0000 ----Security_Multipart(Wed_Aug_29_22_10_19_2012_052)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gabor Kovesdan wrote in <50392481.1070708@FreeBSD.org>: ga> Em 25-08-2012 19:58, Hiroki Sato escreveu: ga> > Ah, what I wanted to point out is that not only in the headers the ga> > ids are converted to lower case in the new framework. I also ga> > think we can ignore the impact for the headers. ga> > ga> > As you know, the Jade program uses the upper case because it ga> > supports SGML general name normalization for the ids and NAMECASE ga> > GENERAL is YES in SGML declaration for HTML. The xsltproc program ga> > does not always do so because NAMECASE GENERAL is always NO in ga> > XML. ga> ga> Ok, now I see you are referring to docs not www. I was talking about ga> www because I only did manual conversion there. A side effect of ga> changing the SGML declaration used by Jade to enforce XML syntax is ga> that NAMECASE GENERAL is NO as you said. For now, I don't know what to ga> do with that. If we start using XSLT, we can customize the DocBook XSL ga> stlyesheets to do such a normalization. I think it shouldn't be ga> difficult but I'll have to see how the corresponding parts are written ga> in DocBook XSL. Do you have any suggestions how to handle this for the ga> interim period? If we continue to use the upper-case ids, converting all of id attr and xref's linkend attr to upper-case in the source file, not in the style sheet, is needed. Case normalization of ids by XSLT is wrong because relationship between xref's linkend and id must be correct in the XML source files. I am still wondering if we should stick to the upper-case ids, but considering consistency and compatibility, using upper-case is the safest. Our possible options in my mind are: 1. Convert ids to upper-case and use them. No compatibility problem. 2. Use lower-case ids. Links from pages outside of www.FreeBSD.org may be broken. 3. Convert the existing ids to upper-case but use lower case for newly-added ones. It works but not consistent. -- Hiroki ----Security_Multipart(Wed_Aug_29_22_10_19_2012_052)-- Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAlA+FLsACgkQTyzT2CeTzy19rgCfe/746CtpWdWY2smICcTzPz1b yhIAoIA5CJ5o1u/EjHlLXSiIiw7WqkKA =kP+r -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----Security_Multipart(Wed_Aug_29_22_10_19_2012_052)---- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 29 14:52:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B9B106566C; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 14:52:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73BC58FC08; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 14:52:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7TEq6PN087585; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:52:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q7TEq6Cc087582; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:52:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:52:06 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Hiroki Sato In-Reply-To: <20120829.221019.266908030257017857.hrs@allbsd.org> Message-ID: References: <50390426.40604@FreeBSD.org> <20120826.025845.2271349946315727916.hrs@allbsd.org> <50392481.1070708@FreeBSD.org> <20120829.221019.266908030257017857.hrs@allbsd.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:52:06 -0600 (MDT) Cc: doceng@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org, gabor@freebsd.org, www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [CALL FOR REVIEW] doc and www converted to XML X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 14:52:10 -0000 On Wed, 29 Aug 2012, Hiroki Sato wrote: > Gabor Kovesdan wrote > in <50392481.1070708@FreeBSD.org>: > > ga> Em 25-08-2012 19:58, Hiroki Sato escreveu: > ga> > Ah, what I wanted to point out is that not only in the headers the > ga> > ids are converted to lower case in the new framework. I also > ga> > think we can ignore the impact for the headers. > ga> > > ga> > As you know, the Jade program uses the upper case because it > ga> > supports SGML general name normalization for the ids and NAMECASE > ga> > GENERAL is YES in SGML declaration for HTML. The xsltproc program > ga> > does not always do so because NAMECASE GENERAL is always NO in > ga> > XML. > ga> > ga> Ok, now I see you are referring to docs not www. I was talking about > ga> www because I only did manual conversion there. A side effect of > ga> changing the SGML declaration used by Jade to enforce XML syntax is > ga> that NAMECASE GENERAL is NO as you said. For now, I don't know what to > ga> do with that. If we start using XSLT, we can customize the DocBook XSL > ga> stlyesheets to do such a normalization. I think it shouldn't be > ga> difficult but I'll have to see how the corresponding parts are written > ga> in DocBook XSL. Do you have any suggestions how to handle this for the > ga> interim period? > > If we continue to use the upper-case ids, converting all of id attr > and xref's linkend attr to upper-case in the source file, not in the > style sheet, is needed. Case normalization of ids by XSLT is wrong > because relationship between xref's linkend and id must be correct in > the XML source files. > > I am still wondering if we should stick to the upper-case ids, but > considering consistency and compatibility, using upper-case is the > safest. Our possible options in my mind are: > > 1. Convert ids to upper-case and use them. No compatibility problem. > > 2. Use lower-case ids. Links from pages outside of www.FreeBSD.org > may be broken. Is it practical to generate small static "This link has changed" pages for legacy uppercase links? Generating a list of "RedirectMatch permanent" lines for manual addition to the webserver config seems more elegant. After the switch was made to all lowercase, the list of obsolete uppercase links would not grow. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 29 17:45:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CFEC1065673 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:45:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon@qxnitro.org) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B66968FC17 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:45:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ialo14 with SMTP id o14so2044997ial.13 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 10:45:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=qxnitro.org; s=google; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Qh5thKXqdZAwIAwNkx7CmUalaUgdfHFTZlChCVGmM8g=; b=OL9jkDBaF9cpt4WEVxg/0XKy5TB+WrjwNSPsXItTc5GqfK1f1QqwPlSzniz3d2o7+i AP3KYELJMvXPvyOtGRYFneLUZGrVqgNfeJAJ03gm7kdnuD2Dw6grf+5bJtJmo9OZ+wLJ MBzaX7biyuBEegHYQvA7BxFGN64Vze6q8eQLM= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=Qh5thKXqdZAwIAwNkx7CmUalaUgdfHFTZlChCVGmM8g=; b=euEHQahvRW7PSkdS/FHbF0phzfyAWL9IHI2r7IiHe72ilRRKmtxXxf2XDan9OwBo1J nZSBIloV29LCjVoao0bQIhch29vAcCbOhomB0JxjDkbAtUOPq18PW5WvkVNI2f289eYr WxizYyXGzQUmMzztLqG2r+B+OSj3b5HxlQO0NzgfQgBKz0yNvYkDNuQy1vqR2/yIgqEA Gyqbvyb3aWqRos3cunIheYMTmCzo3bFHlfJt0N8Rgt9dYycs4JWf3ZuG0djxwYFRbJ6C VFWgd8gfbI5n9+HpaPuK+67VN+j/tVQRf1wK+puqRBxAbgIHhEpNjXPAqulH9b+rn04y +Phg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.194.130 with SMTP id hw2mr2827318igc.64.1346262332024; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 10:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.102.104 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 10:45:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [131.111.143.140] In-Reply-To: References: <50390426.40604@FreeBSD.org> <20120826.025845.2271349946315727916.hrs@allbsd.org> <50392481.1070708@FreeBSD.org> <20120829.221019.266908030257017857.hrs@allbsd.org> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 18:45:31 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Simon L. B. Nielsen" To: Warren Block Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQly7cK63CBrNfZ3zdMsXVUoNFOiCwZ0tijt/A8SSisFVfkDPVnwrv3SmQB/91d6S4vhQAeS X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:57:01 +0000 Cc: doceng@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org, gabor@freebsd.org, www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [CALL FOR REVIEW] doc and www converted to XML X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:45:39 -0000 On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Warren Block wrote: > On Wed, 29 Aug 2012, Hiroki Sato wrote: > >> Gabor Kovesdan wrote >> in <50392481.1070708@FreeBSD.org>: >> >> ga> Em 25-08-2012 19:58, Hiroki Sato escreveu: >> ga> > Ah, what I wanted to point out is that not only in the headers the >> ga> > ids are converted to lower case in the new framework. I also >> ga> > think we can ignore the impact for the headers. >> ga> > >> ga> > As you know, the Jade program uses the upper case because it >> ga> > supports SGML general name normalization for the ids and NAMECASE >> ga> > GENERAL is YES in SGML declaration for HTML. The xsltproc program >> ga> > does not always do so because NAMECASE GENERAL is always NO in >> ga> > XML. >> ga> >> ga> Ok, now I see you are referring to docs not www. I was talking about >> ga> www because I only did manual conversion there. A side effect of >> ga> changing the SGML declaration used by Jade to enforce XML syntax is >> ga> that NAMECASE GENERAL is NO as you said. For now, I don't know what to >> ga> do with that. If we start using XSLT, we can customize the DocBook XSL >> ga> stlyesheets to do such a normalization. I think it shouldn't be >> ga> difficult but I'll have to see how the corresponding parts are written >> ga> in DocBook XSL. Do you have any suggestions how to handle this for the >> ga> interim period? >> >> If we continue to use the upper-case ids, converting all of id attr >> and xref's linkend attr to upper-case in the source file, not in the >> style sheet, is needed. Case normalization of ids by XSLT is wrong >> because relationship between xref's linkend and id must be correct in >> the XML source files. >> >> I am still wondering if we should stick to the upper-case ids, but >> considering consistency and compatibility, using upper-case is the >> safest. Our possible options in my mind are: >> >> 1. Convert ids to upper-case and use them. No compatibility problem. What are the arguments against this? It's at least the simplest one... >> 2. Use lower-case ids. Links from pages outside of www.FreeBSD.org >> may be broken. > > Is it practical to generate small static "This link has changed" pages for > legacy uppercase links? That does sound a bit painful... many small files around for a long time. The redirect is better, though it won't work for mirrors.... > Generating a list of "RedirectMatch permanent" lines for manual addition to > the webserver config seems more elegant. After the switch was made to all > lowercase, the list of obsolete uppercase links would not grow. How many are we talking about? I would prefer not having many redirects which have to keep around forever. -- Simon L. B. Nielsen From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 29 20:41:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97210106564A; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 20:41:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [87.229.73.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 454938FC14; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 20:41:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.mypc.hu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A7014E7FC6; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 22:41:26 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at server.mypc.hu Received: from server.mypc.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 9fw99Sk3sjsC; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 22:41:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (D94162B4.catv.pool.telekom.hu [217.65.98.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A79D414E7FBF; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 22:41:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <503E7E70.2050504@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 22:41:20 +0200 From: Gabor Kovesdan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hiroki Sato References: <50390426.40604@FreeBSD.org> <20120826.025845.2271349946315727916.hrs@allbsd.org> <50392481.1070708@FreeBSD.org> <20120829.221019.266908030257017857.hrs@allbsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20120829.221019.266908030257017857.hrs@allbsd.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: doceng@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [CALL FOR REVIEW] doc and www converted to XML X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 20:41:28 -0000 Em 29-08-2012 15:10, Hiroki Sato escreveu: > 1. Convert ids to upper-case and use them. No compatibility > problem. > > 2. Use lower-case ids. Links from pages outside of > www.FreeBSD.org may be broken. > > 3. Convert the existing ids to upper-case but use lower case for > newly-added ones. It works but not consistent. 4. Use some kind of redirection at the HTTP level. I'd prefer (2) or (4). I think we already carry a lot of legacy stuff and people frequently come up with the idea of using some kind of markdown or wiki system for documentation and try to recruit more people to support this idea because the current situation is much more complicated than it could. I think going to XML and dropping character entities highly helps people writing docs and simplifying things. So I'd prefer avoiding one more not really sensible policy and confusion factor. Using upper-case names affects readability and suggests that it is a policy or a practice to follow even if we go for (3). Besides, please take into account that we never care of broken links when we remove a chapter or section and that links may still bring you to the proper page just not to the proper part. The user may still find the part she is looking for. This whole thing could be mitigated with some HTTP redirection. We could rewrite http://freebsd.org/doc/\([^#]*\)#\(.*\) to http://freebsd.org/doc/\1#\2 where \2 is converted to lower-case. I'm not sure what www.freebsd.org runs and whether such rewriting is supported but theoretically it should be possible. Gabor From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 30 07:45:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 817FC10656B4; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 07:45:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fullermd@over-yonder.net) Received: from thyme.infocus-llc.com (server.infocus-llc.com [206.156.254.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D42768FC14; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 07:45:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from draco.over-yonder.net (c-174-50-4-38.hsd1.ms.comcast.net [174.50.4.38]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by thyme.infocus-llc.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B9A7E37B547; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 02:45:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: by draco.over-yonder.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id 3X6wjG6mkmzLFf; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 02:45:22 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 02:45:22 -0500 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Gabor Kovesdan Message-ID: <20120830074522.GA40420@over-yonder.net> References: <50390426.40604@FreeBSD.org> <20120826.025845.2271349946315727916.hrs@allbsd.org> <50392481.1070708@FreeBSD.org> <20120829.221019.266908030257017857.hrs@allbsd.org> <503E7E70.2050504@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <503E7E70.2050504@FreeBSD.org> X-Editor: vi X-OS: FreeBSD User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21-fullermd.4 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.4 at thyme.infocus-llc.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: doceng@FreeBSD.org, Hiroki Sato , doc@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [CALL FOR REVIEW] doc and www converted to XML X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 07:45:32 -0000 On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 10:41:20PM +0200 I heard the voice of Gabor Kovesdan, and lo! it spake thus: > > This whole thing could be mitigated with some HTTP redirection. We > could rewrite http://freebsd.org/doc/\([^#]*\)#\(.*\) to > http://freebsd.org/doc/\1#\2 where \2 is converted to lower-case. Er, the fragment isn't sent over HTTP. The server never sees the "#whatever". -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Systems/Network Administrator | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/ On the Internet, nobody can hear you scream. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 30 08:36:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42013106564A; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 08:36:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [87.229.73.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E37F08FC16; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 08:36:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.mypc.hu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6261314E8041; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 10:36:10 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at server.mypc.hu Received: from server.mypc.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id wSKeOVqKHGtG; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 10:36:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (D94162B4.catv.pool.telekom.hu [217.65.98.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C53C114E7FBD; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 10:36:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <503F25F8.5020100@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 10:36:08 +0200 From: Gabor Kovesdan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Matthew D. Fuller" References: <50390426.40604@FreeBSD.org> <20120826.025845.2271349946315727916.hrs@allbsd.org> <50392481.1070708@FreeBSD.org> <20120829.221019.266908030257017857.hrs@allbsd.org> <503E7E70.2050504@FreeBSD.org> <20120830074522.GA40420@over-yonder.net> In-Reply-To: <20120830074522.GA40420@over-yonder.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: doceng@FreeBSD.org, Hiroki Sato , doc@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [CALL FOR REVIEW] doc and www converted to XML X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 08:36:12 -0000 Em 30-08-2012 09:45, Matthew D. Fuller escreveu: > On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 10:41:20PM +0200 I heard the voice of > Gabor Kovesdan, and lo! it spake thus: >> > >> > This whole thing could be mitigated with some HTTP redirection. We >> > could rewrite http://freebsd.org/doc/\([^#]*\)#\(.*\) to >> > http://freebsd.org/doc/\1#\2 where \2 is converted to lower-case. > Er, the fragment isn't sent over HTTP. The server never sees the > "#whatever". Ooops, I didn't think of that... Then we may use a simple JavaScript to deal with this. Yes, I know it can be turned off but we also use it on freebsd.org. Gabor From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 30 13:09:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2F92106564A for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 13:09:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from isabell@issyl0.co.uk) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E24F8FC18 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 13:09:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eaak11 with SMTP id k11so569913eaa.13 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 06:09:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=sender:date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:user-agent:x-gm-message-state; bh=xbZ2fJX0qWfq/VRKYpqHtQePGN/rN7QkJlXI+N9E/Kc=; b=TEQSyZ5TKfDVQmWZnUiChSreaEmIQFmmwazfzRu9xY51AYR2H9Lk+cEfvIAPCjZ9Y1 Ve3vq61eyFOUiOiPpJgxR7an+yk4J9ww13H+SKrvUGq/Ds2XR+Slba2q47cFxb3Ttzeq C0JBSDlqWbESzEPbLvY/xpa3g1oIJnGz8O5zn84RCFZOjVB6EllAAQ57rxveTW2ScOoV ABJR29P58Sz62/fK51QFQtGDAjhG6y5aIIVZJ0uRVTJpc8NdpW1cxG7mbKIs8zBBGVGN T82KOXzU3sXjBG4UzIqI0PDRrQm+vOikQ/a7SbGs6/sx1DLPFnt5H+I6/P9nmHS1kPb+ 3Tkw== Received: by 10.14.180.68 with SMTP id i44mr6520192eem.20.1346332148199; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 06:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sky.issyl0.co.uk ([2001:ba8:1f1:f1f0::2]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h42sm4846825eem.5.2012.08.30.06.09.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 30 Aug 2012 06:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Isabell Long Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 14:09:04 +0100 From: Isabell Long To: www@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20120830130904.GA6073@sky.issyl0.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkQCPfzIrg0nz+x8U5GVaMZnHS4nVxe/2HmGYp93e2CC+GMM3QfvIvNJrSlc43Xz/URBPes Cc: Subject: RFC: Patch to remove obsolete smaller/larger buttons on the website. X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 13:09:10 -0000 Hi all, The consensus at the DocSummit on Tuesday was that the smaller/larger text size buttons on the website are obsolete as browsers have shortcuts to do this. The patch linked below removes them. I've tested and - after removing index.html - the en_US website still builds, as do all the other language variants (that's an assumption though I tested three of them, fr_FR, es_ES and zh_CN), but their websites still include the buttons. I haven't removed layout/css/fixed_large.css, layout/js/styleswitcher.js as that would break the other websites. When they either update their translations or we decide to apply this change to all of the website translations, these files can be removed. http://tau.devrandom.co.uk/issyl0/remove_smaller_larger_web_buttons.diff Comments? Thanks, Isabell. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 30 14:15:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46517106566B; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 14:15:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07228FC15; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 14:15:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7UEFSM6008607; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 08:15:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q7UEFRXa008604; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 08:15:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 08:15:27 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Gabor Kovesdan In-Reply-To: <503F25F8.5020100@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: References: <50390426.40604@FreeBSD.org> <20120826.025845.2271349946315727916.hrs@allbsd.org> <50392481.1070708@FreeBSD.org> <20120829.221019.266908030257017857.hrs@allbsd.org> <503E7E70.2050504@FreeBSD.org> <20120830074522.GA40420@over-yonder.net> <503F25F8.5020100@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 30 Aug 2012 08:15:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 15:23:43 +0000 Cc: doceng@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org, "Matthew D. Fuller" , www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [CALL FOR REVIEW] doc and www converted to XML X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 14:15:29 -0000 On Thu, 30 Aug 2012, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: > Em 30-08-2012 09:45, Matthew D. Fuller escreveu: >> On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 10:41:20PM +0200 I heard the voice of >> Gabor Kovesdan, and lo! it spake thus: >>>> >>>> This whole thing could be mitigated with some HTTP redirection. We >>>> could rewrite http://freebsd.org/doc/\([^#]*\)#\(.*\) to >>>> http://freebsd.org/doc/\1#\2 where \2 is converted to lower-case. >> Er, the fragment isn't sent over HTTP. The server never sees the >> "#whatever". > > Ooops, I didn't think of that... Then we may use a simple JavaScript to > deal with this. Yes, I know it can be turned off but we also use it on > freebsd.org. Even if the anchor is wrong, the browser should still display the document. Are there things other than anchors that will be affected? From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 30 15:53:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595FE106566B; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 15:53:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.allbsd.org (gatekeeper.allbsd.org [IPv6:2001:2f0:104:e001::32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAB018FC1B; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 15:53:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alph.allbsd.org (p3048-ipbf1204funabasi.chiba.ocn.ne.jp [123.218.144.48]) (authenticated bits=128) by mail.allbsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7UFqvsi096739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 31 Aug 2012 00:53:07 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by alph.allbsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7UFqu3S098112; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 00:52:56 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 00:52:44 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20120831.005244.2295575122657925960.hrs@allbsd.org> To: gabor@FreeBSD.org From: Hiroki Sato In-Reply-To: <503E7E70.2050504@FreeBSD.org> References: <50392481.1070708@FreeBSD.org> <20120829.221019.266908030257017857.hrs@allbsd.org> <503E7E70.2050504@FreeBSD.org> X-PGPkey-fingerprint: BDB3 443F A5DD B3D0 A530 FFD7 4F2C D3D8 2793 CF2D X-Mailer: Mew version 6.5 on Emacs 23.4 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="--Security_Multipart(Fri_Aug_31_00_52_44_2012_228)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.4 at gatekeeper.allbsd.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mail.allbsd.org [133.31.130.32]); Fri, 31 Aug 2012 00:53:07 +0900 (JST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-96.8 required=13.0 tests=CONTENT_TYPE_PRESENT, ONLY1HOPDIRECT, RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL, SAMEHELOBY2HOP, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on gatekeeper.allbsd.org Cc: doceng@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [CALL FOR REVIEW] doc and www converted to XML X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 15:53:14 -0000 ----Security_Multipart(Fri_Aug_31_00_52_44_2012_228)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gabor Kovesdan wrote in <503E7E70.2050504@FreeBSD.org>: ga> Em 29-08-2012 15:10, Hiroki Sato escreveu: ga> > 1. Convert ids to upper-case and use them. No compatibility ga> > problem. ga> > ga> > 2. Use lower-case ids. Links from pages outside of ga> > www.FreeBSD.org may be broken. ga> > ga> > 3. Convert the existing ids to upper-case but use lower case for ga> > newly-added ones. It works but not consistent. ga> ga> 4. Use some kind of redirection at the HTTP level. Let's forget about HTTP level solution. On the mirror servers it does not work. ga> I'd prefer (2) or (4). I think we already carry a lot of legacy stuff ga> and people frequently come up with the idea of using some kind of ga> markdown or wiki system for documentation and try to recruit more ga> people to support this idea because the current situation is much more ga> complicated than it could. I think going to XML and dropping character ga> entities highly helps people writing docs and simplifying things. So ga> I'd prefer avoiding one more not really sensible policy and confusion ga> factor. Using upper-case names affects readability and suggests that ga> it is a policy or a practice to follow even if we go for (3). Besides, ga> please take into account that we never care of broken links when we ga> remove a chapter or section and that links may still bring you to the ga> proper page just not to the proper part. The user may still find the ga> part she is looking for. One compromise solution would be adding an additional anchor with upper-case ids just after the normal (lower-case) one by XSLT only for HTML output. It is relatively easy and should not be harmful. How about this? Hmm, I agree that upper-case ids are annoying but cannot agree that we never took care of anchors and/or we can ignore the negative impact from changing them. We should take care of them as far as we can. Just converting them to lower-case is different from the case of removal of a section because it is not non-avoidable. -- Hiroki ----Security_Multipart(Fri_Aug_31_00_52_44_2012_228)-- Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAlA/jEwACgkQTyzT2CeTzy1XHACcCidtyMHazJ6LnmTwZgFZ4fiN NaYAniOOBJsulR4QPFC3cEX35WnHGDfx =Wy1g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----Security_Multipart(Fri_Aug_31_00_52_44_2012_228)---- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 30 16:39:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1552B106566C; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 16:39:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [87.229.73.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BABD48FC12; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 16:39:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.mypc.hu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9A3114E804D; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:39:13 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at server.mypc.hu Received: from server.mypc.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 50SwEKF_Noqi; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:39:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (D94162B4.catv.pool.telekom.hu [217.65.98.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2B9C714E7F08; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:39:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <503F9734.7010209@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:39:16 +0200 From: Gabor Kovesdan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hiroki Sato References: <50392481.1070708@FreeBSD.org> <20120829.221019.266908030257017857.hrs@allbsd.org> <503E7E70.2050504@FreeBSD.org> <20120831.005244.2295575122657925960.hrs@allbsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20120831.005244.2295575122657925960.hrs@allbsd.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: doceng@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [CALL FOR REVIEW] doc and www converted to XML X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 16:39:16 -0000 Em 30-08-2012 17:52, Hiroki Sato escreveu: > Gabor Kovesdan wrote in > <503E7E70.2050504@FreeBSD.org>: > > ga> Em 29-08-2012 15:10, Hiroki Sato escreveu: ga> > 1. Convert ids > to upper-case and use them. No compatibility ga> > problem. ga> > > ga> > 2. Use lower-case ids. Links from pages outside of ga> > > www.FreeBSD.org may be broken. ga> > ga> > 3. Convert the existing > ids to upper-case but use lower case for ga> > newly-added ones. > It works but not consistent. ga> ga> 4. Use some kind of > redirection at the HTTP level. > > Let's forget about HTTP level solution. On the mirror servers it > does not work. I think it is much less probable that someone links to a mirror that's why I ignored this factor. > One compromise solution would be adding an additional anchor with > upper-case ids just after the normal (lower-case) one by XSLT only > for HTML output. It is relatively easy and should not be harmful. > How about this? I've also thought of this and this also looks as a good compromise. We should do it for chapter and sectX, right? Or is there something else? Before, we agreed that the XML migration should be done in various steps but then it means there will be a short interim period until we get it right with XSLT. Do you think it is acceptable? Gabor From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 30 16:39:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C78C1065678; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 16:39:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [87.229.73.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18B138FC1D; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 16:39:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.mypc.hu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A34714E804F; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:39:45 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at server.mypc.hu Received: from server.mypc.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id JC5n_OHLoT6t; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:39:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (D94162B4.catv.pool.telekom.hu [217.65.98.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3E68714E804D; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:39:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <503F9753.2010603@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:39:47 +0200 From: Gabor Kovesdan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Block References: <50390426.40604@FreeBSD.org> <20120826.025845.2271349946315727916.hrs@allbsd.org> <50392481.1070708@FreeBSD.org> <20120829.221019.266908030257017857.hrs@allbsd.org> <503E7E70.2050504@FreeBSD.org> <20120830074522.GA40420@over-yonder.net> <503F25F8.5020100@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 17:00:16 +0000 Cc: doceng@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org, "Matthew D. Fuller" , www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [CALL FOR REVIEW] doc and www converted to XML X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 16:39:46 -0000 Em 30-08-2012 16:15, Warren Block escreveu: > Even if the anchor is wrong, the browser should still display the > document. Are there things other than anchors that will be affected? Imho, only anchors are affected. Gabor From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 30 17:44:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266E71065670; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 17:44:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [87.229.73.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D798FC14; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 17:44:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.mypc.hu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3613414E7F7A; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:44:15 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at server.mypc.hu Received: from server.mypc.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id VGdEsdv6VlPp; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:44:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (D94162B4.catv.pool.telekom.hu [217.65.98.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ECC1E14E7F08; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:44:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <503FA671.5050000@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:44:17 +0200 From: Gabor Kovesdan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Isabell Long References: <20120830130904.GA6073@sky.issyl0.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20120830130904.GA6073@sky.issyl0.co.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: RFC: Patch to remove obsolete smaller/larger buttons on the website. X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 17:44:17 -0000 Em 30-08-2012 15:09, Isabell Long escreveu: > I haven't removed layout/css/fixed_large.css, > layout/js/styleswitcher.js as that would break the other websites. > When they either update their translations or we decide to apply > this change to all of the website translations, these files can > be removed. > > http://tau.devrandom.co.uk/issyl0/remove_smaller_larger_web_buttons.diff > > Comments? I agree with Isabell and I think it should be done in one step for all translations otherwise we will carry the legacy bits for a long time. Gabor From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 30 22:10:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0687C106564A; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 22:10:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from issyl0@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE1A28FC14; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 22:10:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7UMA4K0067891; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 22:10:04 GMT (envelope-from issyl0@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from issyl0@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7UMA4JQ067887; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 22:10:04 GMT (envelope-from issyl0) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 22:10:04 GMT Message-Id: <201208302210.q7UMA4JQ067887@freefall.freebsd.org> To: issyl0@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, issyl0@FreeBSD.org From: issyl0@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/170915: Out-dated dev links at http://www.freebsd.org/platforms/ppc.html X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 22:10:05 -0000 Synopsis: Out-dated dev links at http://www.freebsd.org/platforms/ppc.html Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-www->issyl0 Responsible-Changed-By: issyl0 Responsible-Changed-When: Thu Aug 30 22:10:04 UTC 2012 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll take it. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=170915 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 31 10:10:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1410106566C for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 10:10:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounced.newsnet.Bb8lxHEYcTEiXachHNY3tnPevWvG@acti-web.com.ar) Received: from omega.multihost.com.ar (alfa4.activaweb.com.ar [190.7.60.229]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F70A8FC1E for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 10:10:59 +0000 (UTC) From: "Net-Learning " To: www@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 07:10:08 -0300 Message-ID: <20120831-07100898-608-0@omega.multihost.com.ar> X-news-bounced: Net Learning X-news-address: www@freebsd.org X-news-id: 167355 X-INS: 7QulyeekyBRQ4XEISjlfO69tHMFL5Re8T4JVxLJyh93fkwycifQ29GnZ9RIP7DrXyIxkyBgc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Curso y Diplomados ONLINE Septiembre X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 10:10:59 -0000 [1][USEMAP:top.jpg] [2][USEMAP:resumen.jpg] [3][USEMAP:destacado_doble.jpg] [4][USEMAP:cursos.jpg] [5][publicidad.jpg] [netlearning.jpg] [6][USEMAP:contacto.jpg] Para visualizar este correo en el explorador, clic [7]aquí Este correo ha sido enviado a www@freebsd.org | [8]Remover suscripción [NewImagenApertura.aspx?g2jES6aN56S%3dn%2bSF9-AAV85VxX%26lOl7fIu6HboEh Wf4g] References 1. 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LYNXIMGMAP:file://localhost/tmp/tmpZXzKp6.html#Map4 7. http://inv2.com.ar/Skins/Components/verhtml.ashx?2%40EBZJz1HJZF%3dVZsav__%2ejH%2eD7jx%3ay0s3S%3ac4D4yeKuL%263jNM%2bed%40 8. http://inv2.com.ar/Skins/Unsuscribe/do.aspx?_XCcE_Z%3dV_EeP2E5STNN%40%263L80%26oOxigJjOvL8Lx From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 31 14:29:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4FF8106564A; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:29:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brd@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B93138FC0A; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:29:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7VETH99026227; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:29:17 GMT (envelope-from brd@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from brd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7VETHt5026223; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:29:17 GMT (envelope-from brd) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:29:17 GMT Message-Id: <201208311429.q7VETHt5026223@freefall.freebsd.org> To: brd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, wosch@FreeBSD.org From: brd@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/170053: Mailing list sort options broken for svn lists X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:29:18 -0000 Synopsis: Mailing list sort options broken for svn lists Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-www->wosch Responsible-Changed-By: brd Responsible-Changed-When: Fri Aug 31 14:26:07 UTC 2012 Responsible-Changed-Why: Wosch, Can you take a look at this? It appears to me that line 87 should be changed from: } elsif ($file =~ s%^current/%% && $file =~ /^freebsd-|^cvs-/) { to: } elsif ($file =~ s%^current/%% && $file =~ /^freebsd-|^cvs-|^svn-/) { Thanks, Brad Davis http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=170053 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 31 16:04:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6267106566C; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 16:04:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.allbsd.org (gatekeeper.allbsd.org [IPv6:2001:2f0:104:e001::32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8FB8FC19; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 16:03:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alph.allbsd.org (p3048-ipbf1204funabasi.chiba.ocn.ne.jp [123.218.144.48]) (authenticated bits=128) by mail.allbsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7VG3fJh095706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 1 Sep 2012 01:03:52 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by alph.allbsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7VG3dfa017056; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 01:03:41 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2012 01:03:33 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20120901.010333.1464832298326291372.hrs@allbsd.org> To: gabor@FreeBSD.org From: Hiroki Sato In-Reply-To: <503F9734.7010209@FreeBSD.org> References: <503E7E70.2050504@FreeBSD.org> <20120831.005244.2295575122657925960.hrs@allbsd.org> <503F9734.7010209@FreeBSD.org> X-PGPkey-fingerprint: BDB3 443F A5DD B3D0 A530 FFD7 4F2C D3D8 2793 CF2D X-Mailer: Mew version 6.5 on Emacs 23.4 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="--Security_Multipart(Sat_Sep__1_01_03_33_2012_305)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.4 at gatekeeper.allbsd.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mail.allbsd.org [133.31.130.32]); Sat, 01 Sep 2012 01:03:52 +0900 (JST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-96.8 required=13.0 tests=CONTENT_TYPE_PRESENT, ONLY1HOPDIRECT, RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL, SAMEHELOBY2HOP, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on gatekeeper.allbsd.org Cc: doceng@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [CALL FOR REVIEW] doc and www converted to XML X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 16:04:00 -0000 ----Security_Multipart(Sat_Sep__1_01_03_33_2012_305)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gabor Kovesdan wrote in <503F9734.7010209@FreeBSD.org>: ga> Em 30-08-2012 17:52, Hiroki Sato escreveu: ga> > Gabor Kovesdan wrote in ga> > <503E7E70.2050504@FreeBSD.org>: ga> > ga> > ga> Em 29-08-2012 15:10, Hiroki Sato escreveu: ga> > 1. Convert ids ga> > to upper-case and use them. No compatibility ga> > problem. ga> > ga> > ga> > 2. Use lower-case ids. Links from pages outside of ga> > ga> > www.FreeBSD.org may be broken. ga> > ga> > 3. Convert the existing ga> > ids to upper-case but use lower case for ga> > newly-added ones. ga> > It works but not consistent. ga> ga> 4. Use some kind of ga> > redirection at the HTTP level. ga> > ga> > Let's forget about HTTP level solution. On the mirror servers it ga> > does not work. ga> ga> I think it is much less probable that someone links to a mirror that's ga> why I ignored this factor. Localized version of handbook in www..freebsd.org is sometimes referred. In the case of Japanese version, some hardware vendors have links to FreeBSD handbook in their web page, for example. The number is quite small, though. ga> > One compromise solution would be adding an additional anchor with ga> > upper-case ids just after the normal (lower-case) one by XSLT only ga> > for HTML output. It is relatively easy and should not be harmful. ga> > How about this? ga> ga> I've also thought of this and this also looks as a good compromise. We ga> should do it for chapter and sectX, right? Or is there something else? ga> Before, we agreed that the XML migration should be done in various ga> steps but then it means there will be a short interim period until we ga> get it right with XSLT. Do you think it is acceptable? I think sectN and chapter are enough and it is acceptable that there is a short time before implementing the workaround. -- Hiroki ----Security_Multipart(Sat_Sep__1_01_03_33_2012_305)-- Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAlBA4FUACgkQTyzT2CeTzy0eGgCg1yUHamcbVoJY4Bc/nTqh2Vjf mxQAn3Ice8x0O1RMi9Tz/2sKjTzMKKf2 =EPgM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----Security_Multipart(Sat_Sep__1_01_03_33_2012_305)----