From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 3 22:36:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 258F7EB2 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 22:36:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jakub_lach@mailplus.pl) Received: from sam.nabble.com (sam.nabble.com [216.139.236.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DF9A1C42 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 22:36:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.236.26] (helo=sam.nabble.com) by sam.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ujd7J-00048c-EB for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 15:20:41 -0700 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 15:20:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Jakub Lach To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1370298041432-5817389.post@n5.nabble.com> Subject: Farewell to fortune -o :( MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 22:36:35 -0000 I will miss them, for me they were right there with- http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=238968 * http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=248200 -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Farewell-to-fortune-o-tp5817389.html Sent from the freebsd-chat mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 3 22:49:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7C537A for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 22:49:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from john@ixsystems.com) Received: from mail.iXsystems.com (newknight.ixsystems.com [206.40.55.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99AAE1CD3 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 22:49:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (mail.ixsystems.com [10.2.55.1]) by mail.iXsystems.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4A88FC11; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 15:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.iXsystems.com ([10.2.55.1]) by localhost (mail.ixsystems.com [10.2.55.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 69836-01; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 15:49:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thinkbsd.divinix.org (unknown [10.8.0.6]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.iXsystems.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2BDC4FC00; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 15:49:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=ixsystems.com; s=newknight0; t=1370299759; bh=Qxx1o+N7DNcmkcjdVXNPFkn5m02Hgmkte6moPLUpg0s=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=XQ7xB5T9jQsbl3TzLJV5Hg6EJWZb/KNM/1114cqctgKd0IgL3sNw16ggGCy2dOYrq aVeDGbjHIWvYjTskaQnB8IkFzt7VoXQ5J3H0VF/vkntnjuT+S/LtM0cqcPp+JaRzCa 7+1oU4NvvCrYA3dA2Ca9OsopZlm9Hcm4nbfXVDl8= Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 15:49:17 -0700 From: John Hixson To: Jakub Lach Subject: Re: Farewell to fortune -o :( Message-ID: <20130603224915.GB1565@thinkbsd.divinix.org> References: <1370298041432-5817389.post@n5.nabble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1370298041432-5817389.post@n5.nabble.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 22:49:29 -0000 On Mon, Jun 03, 2013 at 03:20:41PM -0700, Jakub Lach wrote: > I will miss them, for me they were right there > with- > > http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=238968 > > * http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=248200 =o( > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Farewell-to-fortune-o-tp5817389.html > Sent from the freebsd-chat mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 4 08:33:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01425310 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 08:33:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from william@palfreman.com) Received: from mail-we0-x22b.google.com (mail-we0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::22b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9219E11A5 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 08:33:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f171.google.com with SMTP id m46so2561460wev.16 for ; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 01:33:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=S10r0t8gGaB/gyaU1d4uir9/9hwT/Bqw8+VhYWPtU/k=; b=FJdlX5TdD0l7eJXr0RiGPke6xtYX6adGBVvMH/05o/s04zpAE49jtbZ8sReO++zfXY AOYbva6deI4pma6l2F3aon1YPx0mY07EwSRLAcUr6zSSR5CbKQW5eaROoG2p3dyVboxE X39ijHtBoQJJ5/rD+oQyjp6ubVIZZTpUdeonwHYRBCbN81l2md+GxnZ3exwots932Yyg lL1Kx6bhNTUg7Kk6CHBj8Q+M71xLIKbg9RKCe49WOdl8Rs25DLfVqDFPNBrDf8eSfxCW MQ8rfy/BVsSN1uyEarG+kdgZxMQKjJ6iZgkWWeuW/gyUeCCRs05DxntufzPlZHv5gsNc Xa5g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.77.15 with SMTP id o15mr12232763wjw.27.1370334830650; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 01:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.139.8 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 01:33:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1370298041432-5817389.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1370298041432-5817389.post@n5.nabble.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 10:33:50 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Farewell to fortune -o :( From: William Palfreman To: Jakub Lach Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlIIObhAoCN0n7G7tlyTB415rYRCZlAuBRNEtj8atFbz05H2AxWH97zQZVHaF/05k9gFPIo Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2013 08:33:52 -0000 $ fortune -o LIBRA (Sept 23 - Oct 22) You are the artistic type and have a difficult time with reality. 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On 04/06/2013, Jakub Lach wrote: > I will miss them, for me they were right there > with- > > http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=238968 > > * http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=248200 > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Farewell-to-fortune-o-tp5817389.html > Sent from the freebsd-chat mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 5 12:24:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 455F1431; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 12:24:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dt71@gmx.com) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C42A6165C; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 12:24:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.80] ([31.46.168.237]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LkfdE-1UA2X03Sk8-00aU1n; Wed, 05 Jun 2013 14:24:19 +0200 Message-ID: <51AF2DE4.3090103@gmx.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2013 14:24:04 +0200 From: dt71@gmx.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, webmaster@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "injunction" on the use of GA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:0YaUVoKHrFatFCfDkmLPumjUhoSflsAJBknPuSVs66dbcCozhVN 8W1wbioUCfKkmnUJGhFm3Fjv7xy2YHMyoGQZH9iNYBKvdwbmPknRguE4DUuMIT6pa6CFIX+ pj5MM3dQ5grxgZZVvv6LpPTc8MLsKofLyHGRHOJDKoNhiSc60tciAF1qMd2122OQsdQ/J/6 rYoLFxCMlRQhq6PpW1vxQ== X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2013 12:24:20 -0000 I am yet to receive a answer from the web master. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2013-May/006883.html From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 5 15:13:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C00490; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 15:13:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from bigwig.baldwin.cx (bigwig.baldwin.cx [IPv6:2001:470:1f11:75::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 412C41E8D; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 15:13:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jhbbsd.localnet (unknown [209.249.190.124]) by bigwig.baldwin.cx (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 717BFB943; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 11:13:39 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "injunction" on the use of GA Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 10:34:19 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.2-CBSD-20110714-p25; KDE/4.5.5; amd64; ; ) References: <51AF2DE4.3090103@gmx.com> In-Reply-To: <51AF2DE4.3090103@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201306051034.20000.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (bigwig.baldwin.cx); Wed, 05 Jun 2013 11:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Cc: webmaster@freebsd.org, dt71@gmx.com, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2013 15:13:40 -0000 On Wednesday, June 05, 2013 8:24:04 am dt71@gmx.com wrote: > I am yet to receive a answer from the web master. > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2013-May/006883.html Your opinion has been noted. There was quite a lively discussion of this before it was enabled and a summary of the reasons for using it was posted to announce@ quite a while ago: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/2012-December/001441.html -- John Baldwin From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 5 18:08:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B923699; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 18:08:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dt71@gmx.com) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA33518BA; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 18:08:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.80] ([145.236.66.114]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LaWlT-1TyG4d21Nf-00mJj4; Wed, 05 Jun 2013 20:08:00 +0200 Message-ID: <51AF7E72.8010108@gmx.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2013 20:07:46 +0200 From: dt71@gmx.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Baldwin , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "injunction" on the use of GA References: <51AF2DE4.3090103@gmx.com> <201306051034.20000.jhb@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <201306051034.20000.jhb@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:lV4+eMidK2ojlYMYig1EZoDj5l3EcNNDk5YsqxeIaEJoT/U7bmD 47aZ1csGLBMeeBXkKC0wgwfCvKCZkuN4KgdQOBLEHXYFBhKtGP8TYJcLuiTZszRWYT6LWvc FpeZtGkIiZRZe0oTDnA3jG13QhzRTNxMdODZEMJNACWTeilDHV7nGv0QfVtlUAWv/ujI71G xaYBJ/FYkFuqIH6HHrfvw== Cc: webmaster@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2013 18:08:02 -0000 On 06/05/2013 16:34, John Baldwin wrote: > There was quite a lively discussion of this > before it was enabled and a summary of the reasons for using it was posted to > announce@ quite a while ago: > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/2012-December/001441.html 1. I was unable to find any traces of such a discussion. Apparently, if there was a discussion, it was held between a small, closed group. 2. After the announcement, arguments were given by the community, that (a) the reasons in the announcement do not warrant the use of GA, and (b) there are good reasons why we should not use GA. These arguments were simply ignored. People only annoy me when they point me to previous discussions -- ones that I have participated in -- or to the announcement. Again, the announcement is not a reply to the community's arguments against GA. The opposite is true. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 6 00:18:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E713A421 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 00:18:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@chthonixia.net) Received: from www5.pairlite.com (www5.pairlite.com [64.130.10.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8CDC1B2B for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 00:18:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from whisperer.chthonixia.net (unknown [184.152.30.105]) by www5.pairlite.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8E4F32E2BD for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 20:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 20:18:15 -0400 From: Joe Altman To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "injunction" on the use of GA Message-ID: <20130606001815.GA57415@whisperer.chthonixia.net> References: <51AF2DE4.3090103@gmx.com> <201306051034.20000.jhb@freebsd.org> <51AF7E72.8010108@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <51AF7E72.8010108@gmx.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 00:18:52 -0000 On Wed, Jun 05, 2013 at 08:07:46PM +0200, dt71@gmx.com wrote: > > 1. I was unable to find any traces of such a discussion. Then you did not look. > Apparently, if there was a discussion, it was held between a small, > closed group. Small, yes. Closed, not so much. > People only annoy me when they point me to previous discussions -- > ones that I have participated in -- or to the announcement. So, you are also deeptech71 at gmail.com? If so, then you are what you claim others are. Why you felt compelled to offer people the opportunity to argue that you are excessively mailing the lists by your act is not something I quite understand, ESPECIALLY since you do, in fact, know of (having participated in it) the discussion in question. And FWIW, it's not the community that, AFAICT, arguing against GA. It's a few people in that community who, apparently, don't wish to use any sort of localhost mechanism to adress the issue. Again, FWIW: I would prefer the FBSD project did not use GA; but it does and for good reasons. Weblog analysis is hard. Google, with its analytics, does it well. The project needs that analysis. As for localhost solutions, I accept no cookies from google and I run Privoxy. WRT Privoxy, I'm self taught; and anyone who has a concern about that sort of thing can do the same. Joe From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 6 02:07:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD8F3C8 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 02:07:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dt71@gmx.com) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EE741EA4 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 02:07:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.80] ([31.46.168.110]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx101) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MYKGj-1UxFdP14Yj-00V9VQ for ; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 04:07:26 +0200 Message-ID: <51AFEECF.3000408@gmx.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 04:07:11 +0200 From: dt71@gmx.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "injunction" on the use of GA References: <51AF2DE4.3090103@gmx.com> <201306051034.20000.jhb@freebsd.org> <51AF7E72.8010108@gmx.com> <20130606001815.GA57415@whisperer.chthonixia.net> In-Reply-To: <20130606001815.GA57415@whisperer.chthonixia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:qynNLvhNc70bo7IzYWCzHSZlcKGhs9NqLTX0iDWs9e4WDJ6zK4h ruz0o+DHTluONSWpIjH3OMkJMIQFBizMqC7pfByTbn4Ifxb31GK9XphUR/qEVM//LCxqIcD p+Jnk3ZLigN9FnSbG+ROQM5Jl+vH4cy9KuR8eLIsPObiPxcwcOxVyaiRoApONQHlazCzknl 0X835gSFzb8+dBydssV9Q== X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 02:07:27 -0000 On 06/06/2013 02:18, Joe Altman wrote: > you are what you claim others are. Which is? > And FWIW, it's not the community that, AFAICT, arguing against GA. It's > a few people in that community who, apparently, don't wish to use any > sort of localhost mechanism to adress the issue. Again, FWIW: I would > prefer the FBSD project did not use GA; but it does and for good > reasons. Weblog analysis is hard. Google, with its analytics, does it > well. The project needs that analysis. May I ask all commenters to first read the discussions, so that they actually understand what the problem is and whether the web site needs GA? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 6 03:04:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C694D9B8 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 03:04:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from lariat.net (lariat.net [66.62.230.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF271176 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 03:04:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Toshi.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.net@lariat.net [66.119.58.2] (may be forged)) by lariat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26612; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 20:42:53 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <201306060242.UAA26612@lariat.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2013 20:42:49 -0600 To: Joe Altman , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: "injunction" on the use of GA In-Reply-To: <20130606001815.GA57415@whisperer.chthonixia.net> References: <51AF2DE4.3090103@gmx.com> <201306051034.20000.jhb@freebsd.org> <51AF7E72.8010108@gmx.com> <20130606001815.GA57415@whisperer.chthonixia.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 03:04:52 -0000 At 06:18 PM 6/5/2013, Joe Altman wrote: >Weblog analysis is hard. Google, with its analytics, does it >well. The project needs that analysis. For what? To market its expensive product? The fact is that the project does NOT need this analysis, especially at the cost of visitors' privacy. It sets a horrendous bad example and shows a flagrant disregard for security. --Brett Glass From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 6 08:55:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9F04411 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 08:55:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from khazar@gmx.us) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B34B1115 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 08:55:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout-eu.gmx.com ([10.1.101.212]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx002) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lu1vs-1ULrYy1wX8-011PtV for ; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 10:55:30 +0200 Received: (qmail 15544 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2013 08:55:30 -0000 Received: from 87.236.194.158 by rms-eu009 with HTTP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 10:55:29 +0200 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAQMAAABtzGvEAAAAAXNSR0IArs4c6QAAAAZQTFRFtpi4 AAAAUERDAwAAAAF0Uk5TAEDm2GYAAAABYktHRACIBR1IAAAACXBIWXMAAA3XAAAN1wFCKJt4AAAA B3RJTUUH3AYXDToY1bs5DgAAAN5JREFUGNNjYCAGGECoGjAp/x9KPYBQf0CUzP9/QJLxR/0PEPXb /z5I8OD1+2A1X/cD1TAzpM8HqmH/kBYPFJT/YcQClLH/Lw0xZGbDBwaG+v/3G/4CqRMSNv8bGGos ///7f4BB+vH+59EKDIzzew83AI2u/zCH8QMDc139p8cfGJg+8EnfBPI+MB5veMLA/IdRiUGNgfGZ 4MQPbAyMD3/xJQA1HPj/cAqQOvz/Rz2Qen7/h/0BBsYHDDbyQFd8YBDhB1oPdDPbDAYGkEfsGBjq gBQf0BVgXzJCfEk0AADmBlPuoZRzIAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== From: "Genghis Khan" Message-ID: <20130606085530.41610@gmx.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 References: <51AF2DE4.3090103@gmx.com> <201306051034.20000.jhb@freebsd.org> <51AF7E72.8010108@gmx.com> <20130606001815.GA57415@whisperer.chthonixia.net> RMID: #imap/GKH/INBOX 23707 20130606001815.GA57415@whisperer.chthonixia.net S: genghiskhan@gmx.ca SCF: #imap/GKH/Sent Subject: Re: "injunction" on the use of GA To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Claws-Account-Id: 5 X-Claws-Auto-Indent: 1 X-Claws-Auto-Wrapping: 1 X-Claws-End-Special-Headers: 1 X-Claws-Manual-Headers: X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer x-registered: 0 X-GMX-UID: 1SvCcSVxeSEqJ42ciHIh2DV+IGRvb4DK X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 08:55:31 -0000 On Wed, 5 Jun 2013 20:18:15 -0400 Joe Altman wrote: > And FWIW, it's not the community that, AFAICT, arguing against GA. > It's a few people in that community who, apparently, don't wish to > use any sort of localhost mechanism to adress the issue. Again, FWIW: > I would prefer the FBSD project did not use GA; but it does and for > good reasons. Weblog analysis is hard. Google, with its analytics, > does it well. The project needs that analysis. I do not think anyone can really know if this is a vast majority of the community or a few. Maybe most, unfortunately, are in a little fear to express themselves and challenge GA. Maybe some, do not want to bother arguing because of time constrains or because of other reasons. Perhaps most who are against GA are not subscribed to this mailing-list. I do not think it is possible to know how many do http://xkcd.com/610/ The linked comic is, in my opinion, a realisation of how political parties being elected to parliaments the world over keep their power. HARD: Shut up! Do not dare expressing your views! Besides, it is just you and some few unknown others. SOFT: It is a "wasted vote". Do make a difference with "us" (you are not included). Enjoy (being silently depressed in your) life! -- Proper English www.reddit.com/r/proper 4 teh lulz... http://email.is-not-s.ms