From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 21 19:00:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 28634D0 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 19:00:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.sub.ru (mail.sub.ru [88.212.205.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6118F2811 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 19:00:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 44990 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2014 22:53:47 +0400 Received: from 95-26-41-1.broadband.corbina.ru (95-26-41-1.broadband.corbina.ru [95.26.41.1]) by mail.sub.ru ([88.212.205.2]) with ESMTP via TCP; 31 Dec 1969 23:59:59 -0000 Message-ID: <53CD61B8.9090204@webmail.sub.ru> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 22:53:44 +0400 From: Alex Povolotsky User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org" Subject: Inexpensive PCI SATA, anyone? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 140721-0, 21.07.2014), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 19:00:33 -0000 Hello I've got an old but working AMD-based HP server, with ServerWorks HT1000 SATA150 controller. I'm quite content with all other parts of the box, but controller is VERY slow. Can anyone recommend me inexpensive and reasonably fast PCI SATA with 2-4 ports? No RAID features required, it will run ZFS. According to dmidecode, the box has PCI-E slot, x4 PCI Express, long. Alex From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 22 01:34:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ACC5886F for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 01:34:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-x234.google.com (mail-ig0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8095C29DD for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 01:34:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ig0-f180.google.com with SMTP id l13so3480080iga.13 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 18:34:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rpSIHBkCpKf4A691ndvBxkEEnawC8LgBdUCNc4t6+ow=; b=jPWH9k+z8jOaKJSQ/ifCiAEa/IBCSmqK0zp7D92KhNyWGcUGESWSG6++LrXKljmZ0Y uemIo3ys5uwzgrBErc6q+mbhr6NKRRu87dTcR97yb0xuThZwWIwhyHQbvVlneUwHlwwb Zdlt0CRVTTVEDhyKHTuLzSVjoV8ttzcj3mDatVll01LyxIUWzgC3ScHWz15aRKdUv8C3 W1cYcCg7UEf/HpS/cE4d9k6o3BVPBdQU6GS1foUf56yGvdKD4Vw2lPruyHjdfQx8ot+Q 0CYj68pfFZSPGahYiTpJ8vyeFmtst7Fq79dJlN0uu+p3Wv0JHheglUzGpX6PPAUmMH9z yT8g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.178.133 with SMTP id bm5mr17539808icb.75.1405992893740; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 18:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.239.212 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 18:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 18:34:53 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Inexpensive PCI SATA, anyone? From: Dieter BSD To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 01:34:54 -0000 > I'm quite content with all other parts of the box, but controller is > VERY slow. > > Can anyone recommend me inexpensive and reasonably fast PCI SATA with > 2-4 ports? > According to dmidecode, the box has PCI-E slot, x4 PCI Express, long. Note that "PCI" and "PCI Express" are different. JMicron JMB363 chipset: NCQ SATA-300 PATA-133 hotplug port multiplier 2 SATA ports + 1 PATA channel works on FreeBSD, ahci(4) driver, NCQ works, port multiplier works, PATA works needs PCIe-x1 slot Silicon Image 3132 chipset: NCQ SATA-300 hotplug port multiplier 2 SATA ports works on FreeBSD, siis(4) driver, NCQ works, port multiplier works needs PCIe-x1 slot Some cards with a single 363 or 3132 chip claim "4 ports", but mean 2 ports with 4 connectors (2 internal and 2 external). You set jumpers to select which connectors are active. Silicon Image 3124 chipset: 4 ports (4 real ports) There are at least two types of cards with 3124: (1) needs PCI-X slot (wide PCI slot, not to be confused with PCI-Express) or (2) needs PCIe-x1 slot (PCI-Express) A PCIe-x1 card should work fine in a PCI-x4 slot. 363 is a tad faster than 3132. However 363 has problems with some disks that 3132 works fine with. 3124 is said to be faster than 3132. None of these are blindingly fast by 2014 standards. Neither 363 nor 3132 can saturate PCIe-x1 bandwidth. I would hope that 3124 can? There is also a EX-3508 card. 8 ports, PCIe-x1, no raid, sil3132 8 ports would need either 4 3232 chips or a port multiplier. Photo at www.exsys.ch but I can't make out the chip numbers and I don't see 4 chips that are the same size. Sellers appear to all be in Europe, I didn't find any sellers in USA. (I wasn't looking for sellers in Russia.) Anyone know anything about this card? (or similar cards?) The 3132 and 3124 are second generation chips. Note that the first generation Silicon Image chips are very very slow, and as far as I know, FreeBSD still doesn't support them properly. (They work fine on NetBSD. Very slow, but at least they work correctly there.) From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 23 16:51:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C3C8D90 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 16:51:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.sub.ru (mail.sub.ru [88.212.205.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 52C3A21C7 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 16:51:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 91960 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2014 20:51:27 +0400 Received: from 95-26-41-1.broadband.corbina.ru (95-26-41-1.broadband.corbina.ru [95.26.41.1]) by mail.sub.ru ([88.212.205.2]) with ESMTP via TCP; 31 Dec 1969 23:59:59 -0000 Message-ID: <53CFE80B.20609@webmail.sub.ru> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 20:51:23 +0400 From: Alex Povolotsky User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Inexpensive PCI SATA, anyone? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 140722-1, 22.07.2014), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 16:51:36 -0000 Okay, seems to be reasonable Any good/bad words on Marvell 88SE9230 chipset? I can buy a card with 2 SATA + 2 mSATA, excellent for ZFS cache, but maybe anyone has any experience with the chip? Card is Espada < FG-EST14A-1-BU01 > (ОЕМ) or Espada < FG-EST11B-1-CT01 > On 22.07.2014 5:34, Dieter BSD wrote: >> I'm quite content with all other parts of the box, but controller is >> VERY slow. >> >> Can anyone recommend me inexpensive and reasonably fast PCI SATA with >> 2-4 ports? >> According to dmidecode, the box has PCI-E slot, x4 PCI Express, long. > Note that "PCI" and "PCI Express" are different. > > JMicron JMB363 chipset: NCQ SATA-300 PATA-133 hotplug port multiplier > 2 SATA ports + 1 PATA channel > works on FreeBSD, ahci(4) driver, NCQ works, port multiplier works, PATA works > needs PCIe-x1 slot > > Silicon Image 3132 chipset: NCQ SATA-300 hotplug port multiplier > 2 SATA ports > works on FreeBSD, siis(4) driver, NCQ works, port multiplier works > needs PCIe-x1 slot > > Some cards with a single 363 or 3132 chip claim "4 ports", but mean 2 ports > with 4 connectors (2 internal and 2 external). You set jumpers to > select which connectors are active. > > Silicon Image 3124 chipset: 4 ports (4 real ports) > There are at least two types of cards with 3124: > (1) needs PCI-X slot (wide PCI slot, not to be confused with PCI-Express) > or (2) needs PCIe-x1 slot (PCI-Express) > > A PCIe-x1 card should work fine in a PCI-x4 slot. > > 363 is a tad faster than 3132. However 363 has problems with some disks > that 3132 works fine with. 3124 is said to be faster than 3132. > None of these are blindingly fast by 2014 standards. Neither 363 nor > 3132 can saturate PCIe-x1 bandwidth. I would hope that 3124 can? > > There is also a EX-3508 card. 8 ports, PCIe-x1, no raid, sil3132 > 8 ports would need either 4 3232 chips or a port multiplier. > Photo at www.exsys.ch but I can't make out the chip numbers > and I don't see 4 chips that are the same size. Sellers appear > to all be in Europe, I didn't find any sellers in USA. (I wasn't > looking for sellers in Russia.) Anyone know anything about this > card? (or similar cards?) > > The 3132 and 3124 are second generation chips. Note that the first > generation Silicon Image chips are very very slow, and as far as I know, > FreeBSD still doesn't support them properly. (They work fine on NetBSD. > Very slow, but at least they work correctly there.) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 23 17:19:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CFE32BC7 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 17:19:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smarthost.sentex.ca", Issuer "smarthost.sentex.ca" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 93A382505 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 17:19:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:f025:8813:7603:7e4a] (saphire3.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:f025:8813:7603:7e4a]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s6NHBo71018942; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 13:11:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-ID: <53CFECD0.905@sentex.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 13:11:44 -0400 From: Mike Tancsa Organization: Sentex Communications User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Povolotsky , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Inexpensive PCI SATA, anyone? References: <53CFE80B.20609@webmail.sub.ru> In-Reply-To: <53CFE80B.20609@webmail.sub.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.74 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 17:19:34 -0000 With a lot of trial and error, the one card that works well for us in a backup server with 16 drives is http://www.addonics.com/products/adsa3gpx8-4e.php it shows up as pci5: on pcib5 siis0: port 0x3000-0x300f mem 0xb4408000-0xb440807f,0xb4400000-0xb4407fff irq 19 at device 0.0 on pci5 siisch0: at channel 0 on siis0 siisch1: at channel 1 on siis0 siisch2: at channel 2 on siis0 siisch3: at channel 3 on siis0 # pciconf -lvcb siis0 siis0@pci0:5:0:0: class=0x010400 card=0x71241095 chip=0x31241095 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Silicon Image, Inc.' device = 'SiI 3124 PCI-X Serial ATA Controller' class = mass storage subclass = RAID bar [10] = type Memory, range 64, base 0xb4408000, size 128, enabled bar [18] = type Memory, range 64, base 0xb4400000, size 32768, enabled bar [20] = type I/O Port, range 32, base 0x3000, size 16, enabled cap 01[64] = powerspec 2 supports D0 D1 D2 D3 current D0 cap 07[40] = PCI-X 64-bit supports 133MHz, 2048 burst read, 12 split transactions cap 05[54] = MSI supports 1 message, 64 bit enabled with 1 message Its PCIX chip on a PCIe bus ---Mike -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 23 17:22:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80AFFC5C for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 17:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.sub.ru (mail.sub.ru [88.212.205.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AE90325A2 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 17:22:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 7225 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2014 21:22:47 +0400 Received: from 95-26-41-1.broadband.corbina.ru (95-26-41-1.broadband.corbina.ru [95.26.41.1]) by mail.sub.ru ([88.212.205.2]) with ESMTP via TCP; 31 Dec 1969 23:59:59 -0000 Message-ID: <53CFEF64.3090502@webmail.sub.ru> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 21:22:44 +0400 From: Alex Povolotsky User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Tancsa , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Inexpensive PCI SATA, anyone? References: <53CFE80B.20609@webmail.sub.ru> <53CFECD0.905@sentex.net> In-Reply-To: <53CFECD0.905@sentex.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 140722-1, 22.07.2014), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 17:22:51 -0000 Seems to be too thick for 1U... On 23.07.2014 21:11, Mike Tancsa wrote: > > With a lot of trial and error, the one card that works well for us in > a backup server with 16 drives is > > http://www.addonics.com/products/adsa3gpx8-4e.php > > it shows up as > > pci5: on pcib5 > siis0: port 0x3000-0x300f mem > 0xb4408000-0xb440807f,0xb4400000-0xb4407fff irq 19 at device 0.0 on pci5 > siisch0: at channel 0 on siis0 > siisch1: at channel 1 on siis0 > siisch2: at channel 2 on siis0 > siisch3: at channel 3 on siis0 > > # pciconf -lvcb siis0 > siis0@pci0:5:0:0: class=0x010400 card=0x71241095 chip=0x31241095 > rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Silicon Image, Inc.' > device = 'SiI 3124 PCI-X Serial ATA Controller' > class = mass storage > subclass = RAID > bar [10] = type Memory, range 64, base 0xb4408000, size 128, > enabled > bar [18] = type Memory, range 64, base 0xb4400000, size 32768, > enabled > bar [20] = type I/O Port, range 32, base 0x3000, size 16, enabled > cap 01[64] = powerspec 2 supports D0 D1 D2 D3 current D0 > cap 07[40] = PCI-X 64-bit supports 133MHz, 2048 burst read, 12 > split transactions > cap 05[54] = MSI supports 1 message, 64 bit enabled with 1 message > > Its PCIX chip on a PCIe bus > > ---Mike > > From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 23 17:43:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 587F0575 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 17:43:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smarthost.sentex.ca", Issuer "smarthost.sentex.ca" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06BB127B2 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 17:43:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:f025:8813:7603:7e4a] (saphire3.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:f025:8813:7603:7e4a]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s6NHhKAY023705; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 13:43:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-ID: <53CFF432.6000206@sentex.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 13:43:14 -0400 From: Mike Tancsa Organization: Sentex Communications User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Povolotsky , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Inexpensive PCI SATA, anyone? References: <53CFE80B.20609@webmail.sub.ru> <53CFECD0.905@sentex.net> <53CFEF64.3090502@webmail.sub.ru> In-Reply-To: <53CFEF64.3090502@webmail.sub.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.74 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 17:43:24 -0000 On 7/23/2014 1:22 PM, Alex Povolotsky wrote: > Seems to be too thick for 1U... You could look at some of the 3ware cards on ebay. The 96xx series can be used as JBOD if you are looking for just a lot of disks. Ebay has them, and the card works quite well using the twa driver. ---Mike > > On 23.07.2014 21:11, Mike Tancsa wrote: >> >> With a lot of trial and error, the one card that works well for us in >> a backup server with 16 drives is >> >> http://www.addonics.com/products/adsa3gpx8-4e.php >> >> it shows up as >> >> pci5: on pcib5 >> siis0: port 0x3000-0x300f mem >> 0xb4408000-0xb440807f,0xb4400000-0xb4407fff irq 19 at device 0.0 on pci5 >> siisch0: at channel 0 on siis0 >> siisch1: at channel 1 on siis0 >> siisch2: at channel 2 on siis0 >> siisch3: at channel 3 on siis0 >> >> # pciconf -lvcb siis0 >> siis0@pci0:5:0:0: class=0x010400 card=0x71241095 chip=0x31241095 >> rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Silicon Image, Inc.' >> device = 'SiI 3124 PCI-X Serial ATA Controller' >> class = mass storage >> subclass = RAID >> bar [10] = type Memory, range 64, base 0xb4408000, size 128, >> enabled >> bar [18] = type Memory, range 64, base 0xb4400000, size 32768, >> enabled >> bar [20] = type I/O Port, range 32, base 0x3000, size 16, enabled >> cap 01[64] = powerspec 2 supports D0 D1 D2 D3 current D0 >> cap 07[40] = PCI-X 64-bit supports 133MHz, 2048 burst read, 12 >> split transactions >> cap 05[54] = MSI supports 1 message, 64 bit enabled with 1 message >> >> Its PCIX chip on a PCIe bus >> >> ---Mike >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/