From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 00:46:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C0BE7D3 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 00:46:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zm.mainstream.net (zm.mainstream.net [192.231.143.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06500D2B for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 00:46:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zm.mainstream.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 393361AA193 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 23:09:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zm.mainstream.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zm.mainstream.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id V2-qVufvd856 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 23:09:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zm.mainstream.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4983E1AA195 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 23:09:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zm.mainstream.net Received: from zm.mainstream.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zm.mainstream.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 3hceD6WHwEdK for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 23:09:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.129.1.169] (unknown [10.129.1.169]) by zm.mainstream.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0D1501AA193 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 23:09:17 +0000 (UTC) From: "Steven C. Peterson" X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5b1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_42D54B34-0904-4BAB-AFD5-F64282D2638B"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Subject: OpenPower based systems Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:09:14 -0500 Message-Id: <09EF9CAA-CAD4-4087-99BE-179CFD508CBC@mainstream.net> To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.0 \(1990.1\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1990.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 00:46:55 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_42D54B34-0904-4BAB-AFD5-F64282D2638B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii We am in line to get 2 (possibly 3 if funds allow) OpenPower Servers, = these Reference systems for the new white-box Power servers running with = Power 8 Chips Details on the Machines at: http://www.tyan.com/campaign/openpower/ = Details on OpenPower: http://openpowerfoundation.org/ = We are willing to donate time on these machines to the FreeBSD Project = with the goals of getting it to be a fully supported platform. We are scheduled to have these machines early December, Currently we can = get the loaded with Linux (Ubuntu, Fedora, or Rhel) We will handle the cost of running the machines and providing access to = them, right now based on the documents the onboard Lights out is not = functional, so we will have to work with persons on this list to test. BTW we can obtain these machines as a tyan partner for anyone who wants = them. We have been told there is no limit at this time. They are being built and Shipped from Hong Kong as fast as they can -- Steven C. Peterson Mainstream Technology Group scp@mainstream.net Office: (603)966-4607 x 2409 Cell/SMS: (603) 913-7006 Skype: datagen24 --Apple-Mail=_42D54B34-0904-4BAB-AFD5-F64282D2638B Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUY+ibAAoJELfLk3RsEbA43/EP/14J9sv6qLjv6BhuHTaGz3Bv 2IEpPO5GZlU+VrPtk2bn5Z9GIKXhmD7JVaE2k2LY1mTQ2zuZ13wQ0UJEhsLHT8GU RAz8/0Z4oR1eCcp+l7fFDwA4SlydeAx4SEaxpja1ajhG/CKjKgCncXrOumpi66jx oeXcoSP4NxOUc4h3LH+fBoMPcqDP1cPBwUoGwqzB5YAKcT0xzkOA6UUEtcPehEBw lULbGX938fEeNf3WRMQzHUIPWwQe7BYkvmLqcxPMS7zOLxTJna6WPkstEp6lujNM fec9G7f01U3keCfsMiyIJj50Sa8XdEZFFre06zkgE7vZXAU4kkXt1IfJr3JcMwMQ B4Cgpjx4YqSt2mAi9lDw3b0QCzq66qw+fY+/NZDRKwtdoA8BlxTknCQm59yVuM0C O+gPtf3hCedN8i9UxN0104HHTzfYi9cCantjkeYtkNblCRHJzZ/LLB1kCMHNKFh8 KsJrIrkBE0qDrjMHEzwqVPaBTx2u/vveg//mb8yTLj/5YCfljr8TnN3qekSsbt/X a9Bo2QyqT9kcHkdldUlHYYRDKqQ36LI36NGX5emI+afZvSzFKhyUosisqUQkg/b7 NSNrtvXW7kENpn1Jul6qrcwfh1LmDr+6GN7G1ffTCJgSWVI5W7QfgS5LhnylBlB3 FNVvNjzztoSN8Txfeg3X =W047 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_42D54B34-0904-4BAB-AFD5-F64282D2638B-- From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 16:37:53 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75DD9410 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 16:37:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-x235.google.com (mail-ob0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41267BB0 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 16:37:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f181.google.com with SMTP id gq1so2227751obb.40 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 08:37:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=I+ScQk+q4Y6N+jLk4JHYy48RFWo0PJEBubVn748K2oc=; b=wOpnzS+JLbNk0zOJjlARuA97G1JRkmHmMFhSldkuM0GGYJ1NfxhWxT4dx/6G4wAC// EGdGBxOpTiVHX7wpqkbHHOcawhHT9lMXa4wa2bXIXEyP9K4kn5uWILXg5ocOBVun6vh7 vT7wA4PAT/wByGhLhy9vaVCZe+IU7a74FCIEc0OmqHNI1TtwgWoQ3nPQlP/CtXqydruC S0Rux7Tz8r5r8OdL/6eM4nVq66sDqkaZzPmEA6qvqGXqo8lleK7Ex/NXvMkFv43EGkhm B0Z0uZ/gTkGqQfoLc8XSoqJciQznTB9VDZ5cJ6Wd3URfgYVR6cxmJd/cqC0igbGMZFh1 erqQ== X-Received: by 10.202.79.13 with SMTP id d13mr2163782oib.71.1416155872446; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 08:37:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from zhabar.attlocal.net (107-222-186-3.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net. [107.222.186.3]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id c76sm14219168oih.28.2014.11.16.08.37.50 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 16 Nov 2014 08:37:51 -0800 (PST) Sender: Justin Hibbits Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 08:37:46 -0800 From: Justin Hibbits To: "Steven C. Peterson" Subject: Re: OpenPower based systems Message-ID: <20141116083746.17c3beeb@zhabar.attlocal.net> In-Reply-To: <09EF9CAA-CAD4-4087-99BE-179CFD508CBC@mainstream.net> References: <09EF9CAA-CAD4-4087-99BE-179CFD508CBC@mainstream.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; powerpc64-portbld-freebsd11.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 16:37:53 -0000 On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:09:14 -0500 "Steven C. Peterson" wrote: > We am in line to get 2 (possibly 3 if funds allow) OpenPower Servers, > these Reference systems for the new white-box Power servers running > with Power 8 Chips > > Details on the Machines at: http://www.tyan.com/campaign/openpower/ > Details on OpenPower: > http://openpowerfoundation.org/ > > We are willing to donate time on these machines to the FreeBSD > Project with the goals of getting it to be a fully supported > platform. We are scheduled to have these machines early December, > Currently we can get the loaded with Linux (Ubuntu, Fedora, or Rhel) > > We will handle the cost of running the machines and providing access > to them, right now based on the documents the onboard Lights out is > not functional, so we will have to work with persons on this list to > test. > > BTW we can obtain these machines as a tyan partner for anyone who > wants them. We have been told there is no limit at this time. They > are being built and Shipped from Hong Kong as fast as they can -- > Steven C. Peterson > Mainstream Technology Group > scp@mainstream.net > Office: (603)966-4607 x 2409 > Cell/SMS: (603) 913-7006 > Skype: datagen24 > > > That's fantastic! What's needed for developers to gain access to these machines? I'm very interested in getting FreeBSD on this Power8 reference system. - Justin From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 21:42:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7CE34422 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 21:42:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout001.mac.com [17.158.236.236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DES-CBC3-SHA (112/168 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.me.com", Issuer "VeriSign Class 3 Extended Validation SSL SGC CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F308D7F for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 21:42:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.129.1.169] (50-198-121-33-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.121.33]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NF5005MGIZ6JIA0@nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 21:42:45 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.13.68,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-11-16_03:2014-11-15,2014-11-16,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1408290000 definitions=main-1411160199 From: Stacey Peterson X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5b2 Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6E54F641-F6A7-44C6-8A1E-E6EDD5E44F48"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Subject: RE: OpenPower based systems Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 16:42:42 -0500 Message-id: <0BB35BD7-7E1A-455B-BC04-42160A3D69A1@me.com> To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.0 \(1990.1\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1990.1) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 21:42:49 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_6E54F641-F6A7-44C6-8A1E-E6EDD5E44F48 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii We are going to have to work with the dev team. Our data center ip kvm = is not configured for boxes with out ps2 ports We are trying to see if in the buy for these machines if we can get an = upgraded KVM. The original spec for these boxes had a working ipmi but this first = round apparently it is not working which might make this more difficult. Steven Peterson Sent from my iPhone please excuse my brevity and spelling --Apple-Mail=_6E54F641-F6A7-44C6-8A1E-E6EDD5E44F48 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUaRpSAAoJEPHvFQFP+7phAMcQAJrFlPbVtuIkSqpUTT142huP Cg5ZBTFgr/6w6QpSNgteDN+Rt5Ct+uN6YNOVd4Pr7GAGLPH2rHjhqJwYkPhWBEGo wui1k8cZ1HyWTiEcMUC5kctXjrkRbYV6dfnOfNL1dZN36zhHnSwJEV+8AY6iaEMN 72scYOy0/gPZYqZH3deyBkQfB94ielxN/qUwQGSchkYrROf2J0v6m64aYeA4vjjr 6jGKWXnxpdpqt5TX+u/tqR+k7kMDwJX+eR1W4baRclO88B87QSQ4P7Jg525BWb31 dKFs27hXFzAJmmICeuyowVNbbq2FZ1L5QUbEwf0svSs7KqaxiDDgO/5KwuK7UcTu 5VPVrlrCPAe/a23IPQ78Mw9SAVS3JI2Bod+BsgUzE6Mk93be4aCzICgIPJMmvlXM TXtq8nu6EZ5BgTPXbUqoWA2X4a3tAPXlofH1RN4XvHotpXf200uuCJJshTHcDyfv P1kBC7hES9kguqbEMMZtCbp2aWvsWLF4rXe/gSkCxllbTD1B9rO9RfvOUAYzF1HL TvBQTU409qWSbQR/olxxi3pzviJzXMnkjy5N9cRV6ple+3hnkm1ccI91Fdli3Ja3 /5Bhg4pqiUM1EnnkdHNBY54lOv0mUZEYDEVeWNLwAgzUhR38NJ31oafIgci076ML OWKmkAutjx16Gkv6jYte =ZB46 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_6E54F641-F6A7-44C6-8A1E-E6EDD5E44F48-- From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 12:53:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33901673 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 12:53:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.issei-syoji.co.jp (mail.issei-syoji.co.jp [203.143.100.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A4B171 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 12:53:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SRVPEETERS (unknown [91.183.125.209]) by mail.issei-syoji.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3DC4308583 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 21:53:45 +0900 (JST) From: "Charles Benneth" Subject: Re: Product Inquiry To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: elliota234@live.co.uk Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 13:53:55 +0100 Message-Id: <20141119125345.E3DC4308583@mail.issei-syoji.co.jp> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 12:53:50 -0000 - This mail is in HTML. 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Amata Nakorn Industrial Estate 700/553, Moo 7, T.Don Hua Roh, A.Maung,= Chonburi, 20000, Thailand Tel :+66 38 454 537-9 Fax :+66 38 454 327 From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 03:42:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B65D7EAA for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 03:42:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (d.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.50]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E27B33F for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 03:42:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from aurora.physics.berkeley.edu (aurora.Physics.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.117.67]) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sAK3gWD0023028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 19 Nov 2014 19:42:33 -0800 Message-ID: <546D6328.60605@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 19:42:32 -0800 From: Nathan Whitehorn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stacey Peterson , freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OpenPower based systems References: <0BB35BD7-7E1A-455B-BC04-42160A3D69A1@me.com> In-Reply-To: <0BB35BD7-7E1A-455B-BC04-42160A3D69A1@me.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sonic-CAuth: UmFuZG9tSVapYZtXOI1CIp9QQbAPYrlx2hwh6GCJavnsFDC96tlq6iHJy6uE67mNPYOHGd+RNM/5dPYDuIjac6dqUPQ1g1AIDRhuPgdLa1M= X-Sonic-ID: C;pJifQmdw5BGQJ1G2qJ4NOg== M;6NfQQmdw5BGQJ1G2qJ4NOg== X-Spam-Flag: No X-Sonic-Spam-Details: 0.0/5.0 by cerberusd X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 03:42:35 -0000 Some useful testing, development, and validation could be done already inside KVM on Linux. So even a shell would be a huge help to the project. -Nathan On 11/16/14 13:42, Stacey Peterson wrote: > We are going to have to work with the dev team. Our data center ip kvm is not configured for boxes with out ps2 ports > > We are trying to see if in the buy for these machines if we can get an upgraded KVM. > > The original spec for these boxes had a working ipmi but this first round apparently it is not working which might make this more difficult. > > > > Steven Peterson > > Sent from my iPhone please excuse my brevity and spelling From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 18:54:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FC91F7B for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 18:54:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-x22c.google.com (mail-wi0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D654E98B for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 18:54:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f172.google.com with SMTP id n3so9700522wiv.11 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 10:54:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Vlp0oIE42Eu6ozBldpMbAFeEzIOx0sQRbogDWx4jkFk=; b=yXO4Ifp8ej9JVLmJrPggComq+avAPNJE5ltr4vgm2E1ndMAvN3G3Jdg2ayTKZy4+PR +zKvSD+hmq07zGrjWGjN53fMzSJjD6yXdtavTnjWAyP2KziUYnZ5SPnstJmY/sHyPqIV 66j5QOeArmiZ+6QdI/1TgyzPutM1YvexsHRe4PxHlkXcStVqfyX7OViHFWicorKaclIt S8z2r0sb0fngrxSGxPckhW0KU7Efoo3GetRplfjDf9qBlVwfh/zMo9t/YoK+d9RXDW+P f2NcCqTh0///8dYQ4sE4EBHj7mbjUst3twU3l6kqKn3nzJAXlsqsgl9/C0NILTrXSb9z MG4A== X-Received: by 10.180.21.210 with SMTP id x18mr18252559wie.19.1416509669362; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 10:54:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.131] (xdsl-205-163.nblnetworks.fi. [83.145.205.163]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ry19sm4620437wjb.3.2014.11.20.10.54.28 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 20 Nov 2014 10:54:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <546E38E4.70305@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 20:54:28 +0200 From: Jukka Ukkonen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Booting freebsd on a powermac g4 from a CD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 18:54:31 -0000 Hello all, What might be the current official method or at least known working method for booting FreeBSD on a PowerMac G4 from a CD? After 10.1 update my installed kernel hangs after probing gem0. When the MAC address has been displayed there is no more output, and the boot time autoconfig never proceeds any further. Now I would like to try booting an alternate (probably also older) version of FreeBSD from CD to try to fix the system. The old examples I have found for booting from CD do not seem to work. --jau From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 18:56:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BBAF3110 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 18:56:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (d.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.50]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3B979FB for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 18:56:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from aurora.physics.berkeley.edu (aurora.Physics.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.117.67]) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sAKIuQTj026883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 20 Nov 2014 10:56:26 -0800 Message-ID: <546E3959.5020904@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 10:56:25 -0800 From: Nathan Whitehorn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org, jau789@gmail.com Subject: Re: Booting freebsd on a powermac g4 from a CD References: <546E38E4.70305@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <546E38E4.70305@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sonic-CAuth: UmFuZG9tSVYrz3SmdyKE/2zVKeVd2FiBG3g9BTNGb0IkhBKpA0G2oFNZhu1Z3PpNl1lJO1xD6w2x3mRKiEUL3CWRp6nHzl30hTbcXLw1VO0= X-Sonic-ID: C;iM6q7eZw5BGSVlG2qJ4NOg== M;hKfV7eZw5BGSVlG2qJ4NOg== X-Spam-Flag: No X-Sonic-Spam-Details: 0.0/5.0 by cerberusd X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 18:56:33 -0000 You should just be able to insert the CD and hold 'C'. Does that not work for you? What model of G4 is this? -Nathan On 11/20/14 10:54, Jukka Ukkonen wrote: > Hello all, > > What might be the current official method or at least known > working method for booting FreeBSD on a PowerMac G4 from a CD? > > After 10.1 update my installed kernel hangs after probing > gem0. When the MAC address has been displayed there is no > more output, and the boot time autoconfig never proceeds > any further. > Now I would like to try booting an alternate (probably also > older) version of FreeBSD from CD to try to fix the system. > The old examples I have found for booting from CD do not seem > to work. > > --jau > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ppc > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ppc-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 05:57:32 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1033) id 44A187CF; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 05:57:32 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 05:57:32 +0000 From: Alexey Dokuchaev To: Nathan Whitehorn Subject: Re: Booting freebsd on a powermac g4 from a CD Message-ID: <20141121055732.GB56272@FreeBSD.org> References: <546E38E4.70305@gmail.com> <546E3959.5020904@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <546E3959.5020904@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 05:57:32 -0000 On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:56:25AM -0800, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: > On 11/20/14 10:54, Jukka Ukkonen wrote: > > What might be the current official method or at least known > > working method for booting FreeBSD on a PowerMac G4 from a CD? > > You should just be able to insert the CD and hold 'C'. Does that not > work for you? What model of G4 is this? Alternatively, netbooting had always worked for me as described by Peter here: https://people.freebsd.org/~grehan/install.html Once you have server parts set up, switching between different OSes or distsets becomes very easy (and CDs are nuisance to handle anyways). ./danfe From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 09:15:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A43992C5; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 09:15:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-x22e.google.com (mail-wg0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32381110; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 09:15:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f46.google.com with SMTP id x12so6011786wgg.33 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 01:14:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Pvd9sdb+SIRdwqmNeEvds0J7jTdcSLFIDO3lJWh0muU=; b=Gi9TjA8TIRL+R9WTm18d+htJ/UbUk7PTDrUlreDKubaybc5aTqBqfT8XkERP+3aGWI WniJZ3q8XlAFHxefEUgyM6nu1iFSOHH0Qav8hqWaaKh+bBVhEqqrCZwe4yM3rWmfK38X bKSl4WnO+bHApbIPHrtZDTUM0Q7muVBJzh+lSrdDBWxtTjvyy1QpokEEW33AleCrJK9y PMgqU7aXBUN37eBb0AsHRxrvlbJ/VUWa+6pYIoaP48QrgUH9YiSL4BV+dr+iyEMYSn7k CJIaGzIrdL7GOMOAP/WUvZMGsQh4ccxqkDCQF5GS4m2iScHT0dNgME5VQVKhglt3xPLx 767g== X-Received: by 10.180.76.110 with SMTP id j14mr18097613wiw.40.1416561296564; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 01:14:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.131] ([83.145.205.163]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id bj7sm7185203wjc.33.2014.11.21.01.14.55 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 21 Nov 2014 01:14:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <546F028D.9040907@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 11:14:53 +0200 From: Jukka Ukkonen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexey Dokuchaev , Nathan Whitehorn Subject: Re: Booting freebsd on a powermac g4 from a CD References: <546E38E4.70305@gmail.com> <546E3959.5020904@freebsd.org> <20141121055732.GB56272@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20141121055732.GB56272@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 09:15:01 -0000 On 11/21/14 07:57, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:56:25AM -0800, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: >> On 11/20/14 10:54, Jukka Ukkonen wrote: >>> What might be the current official method or at least known >>> working method for booting FreeBSD on a PowerMac G4 from a CD? >> >> You should just be able to insert the CD and hold 'C'. Does that not >> work for you? What model of G4 is this? Right, I needed the CD boot only to fix an existing FreeBSD-10.1 installation which had started hanging during boot time autoconfig right after having displayed gem0 MAC address. These odd systematic hangs began after updating from 10.1-RC3 to 10.1. So, I installed an alternative 10.1 kernel from the CD. It booted without any major problems both from the CD and from the hard disk. The only apparent difference in my locally built kernel was that it used VT instead of syscons. The default ppc kernel on the CD seems to be using syscons. Obviously I rebuilt the kernel locally once more switching back from VT to syscons. Rebooting with the new locally built kernel which uses syscons worked just fine again. So, my quick hypothesis is that VT must be somehow broken. An additional little brain teaser I found while fixing the dysfunctional boot with the VT enabled kernel was that when I boot the ppc system from a CD it seems to be quite happy to work with a PS/2 keyboard connected to a USB adapter. When I boot the system from hard disk this adapter and the PS/2 keyboard connected to it are not recognized at all. Here is what "usbconfig list" tells about the gizmo... ugen1.2: at usbus1, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=LOW (1.5Mbps) pwr=ON (400mA) Anyhow it seems that for now it makes sense to stick to using syscons instead of VT on ppc unless one wishes to start debugging VT code. Cheers, --jau From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 16:59:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39721A43; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 16:59:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c.mail.sonic.net (c.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19FA8B91; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 16:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from comporellon.tachypleus.net (polaris.tachypleus.net [75.101.50.44]) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sALGlCbZ006261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 21 Nov 2014 08:47:13 -0800 Message-ID: <546F6C90.4040005@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 08:47:12 -0800 From: Nathan Whitehorn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jukka Ukkonen , Alexey Dokuchaev Subject: Re: Booting freebsd on a powermac g4 from a CD References: <546E38E4.70305@gmail.com> <546E3959.5020904@freebsd.org> <20141121055732.GB56272@FreeBSD.org> <546F028D.9040907@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <546F028D.9040907@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sonic-CAuth: UmFuZG9tSVYzaYpnRPJJ104uHtN9IpJpf8B3EcepgDdG60IE50hx7LzUz3IOyvWhdOtJGv0E+DFTFGPQpFa6Ii2HPrrDFgcA7LXqN+/2H6g= X-Sonic-ID: C;xBOMCp5x5BG8y1Zegs/dsg== M;igMSC55x5BG8y1Zegs/dsg== X-Spam-Flag: No X-Sonic-Spam-Details: 0.0/5.0 by cerberusd Cc: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 16:59:09 -0000 On 11/21/14 01:14, Jukka Ukkonen wrote: > On 11/21/14 07:57, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: >> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:56:25AM -0800, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: >>> On 11/20/14 10:54, Jukka Ukkonen wrote: >>>> What might be the current official method or at least known >>>> working method for booting FreeBSD on a PowerMac G4 from a CD? >>> You should just be able to insert the CD and hold 'C'. Does that not >>> work for you? What model of G4 is this? > > Right, I needed the CD boot only to fix an existing FreeBSD-10.1 > installation which had started hanging during boot time autoconfig > right after having displayed gem0 MAC address. > These odd systematic hangs began after updating from 10.1-RC3 to > 10.1. > > So, I installed an alternative 10.1 kernel from the CD. > It booted without any major problems both from the CD and from > the hard disk. The only apparent difference in my locally built > kernel was that it used VT instead of syscons. > The default ppc kernel on the CD seems to be using syscons. > Obviously I rebuilt the kernel locally once more switching back > from VT to syscons. Rebooting with the new locally built kernel > which uses syscons worked just fine again. > So, my quick hypothesis is that VT must be somehow broken. > > An additional little brain teaser I found while fixing the > dysfunctional boot with the VT enabled kernel was that when > I boot the ppc system from a CD it seems to be quite happy > to work with a PS/2 keyboard connected to a USB adapter. > When I boot the system from hard disk this adapter and the > PS/2 keyboard connected to it are not recognized at all. > Here is what "usbconfig list" tells about the gizmo... > > ugen1.2: at usbus1, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=LOW > (1.5Mbps) pwr=ON (400mA) > > Anyhow it seems that for now it makes sense to stick to > using syscons instead of VT on ppc unless one wishes to > start debugging VT code. > > Cheers, > --jau > This is very confusing to me. Are the kernel configs really *completely* identical aside from VT vs. syscons? VT uses the same code on PPC to use the framebuffer as syscons and doesn't touch any of this other stuff. 10.1 also doesn't have vt in GENERIC -- only 11 has that. Are you sure you didn't install an 11 image instead? -Nathan From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 20:08:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA764A45; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 20:08:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-x230.google.com (mail-lb0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 535C3310; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 20:08:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f176.google.com with SMTP id p9so3612783lbv.21 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 12:08:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=w+vY0duDmQHStmVS1qUuSxCcNeJ98Kh0QzzEMAYN+3I=; b=oTMTmTkmuBlWwVFIxswaWgt6SiKFXzmMfPTWsM9bYLku+M7HCtj2xrwqPmCVYjXyQy 29mJJf+WlE4UI1dBzhoohvgvCG1xyssN3qf1YE2kdpeDYDsUGpflgldWZDG+U6c1TUyC UaYH5TcohWLj4b5jaaIFLX0SfI+j6V3Ka/vTdTFLo/7odPJnH4VAnvkFxgM+yd0jtD9a S/zJxe8UeeaWVZ3wrpXiithYVbyRp7lDZEBYLEVCwOPdq5hCSrrIWuO8JeKScmjdT/eN cizUg1JlhSXO9MGKXECiecsM12iNQqUZcIwoUCTzxEyEFGXOt99zLHVkJ/P3yfrHLmA+ FdIQ== X-Received: by 10.112.166.101 with SMTP id zf5mr7658653lbb.42.1416600505298; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 12:08:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.193] (xdsl-205-163.nblnetworks.fi. [83.145.205.163]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ql6sm1365727lbb.31.2014.11.21.12.08.24 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 21 Nov 2014 12:08:24 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: Booting freebsd on a powermac g4 from a CD From: Jukka Ukkonen X-Mailer: iPad Mail (12B435) In-Reply-To: <546F6C90.4040005@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 22:08:25 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <003B9EAA-E1AD-45C6-AC56-4331BCDE4193@gmail.com> References: <546E38E4.70305@gmail.com> <546E3959.5020904@freebsd.org> <20141121055732.GB56272@FreeBSD.org> <546F028D.9040907@gmail.com> <546F6C90.4040005@freebsd.org> To: Nathan Whitehorn Cc: "freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 20:08:27 -0000 Sent from my iPad > On 21 Nov 2014, at 18:47, Nathan Whitehorn wrote:= >=20 >=20 >> On 11/21/14 01:14, Jukka Ukkonen wrote: >>> On 11/21/14 07:57, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: >>>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:56:25AM -0800, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: >>>>> On 11/20/14 10:54, Jukka Ukkonen wrote: >>>>> What might be the current official method or at least known >>>>> working method for booting FreeBSD on a PowerMac G4 from a CD? >>>> You should just be able to insert the CD and hold 'C'. Does that not >>>> work for you? What model of G4 is this? >>=20 >> Right, I needed the CD boot only to fix an existing FreeBSD-10.1 >> installation which had started hanging during boot time autoconfig >> right after having displayed gem0 MAC address. >> These odd systematic hangs began after updating from 10.1-RC3 to >> 10.1. >>=20 >> So, I installed an alternative 10.1 kernel from the CD. >> It booted without any major problems both from the CD and from >> the hard disk. The only apparent difference in my locally built >> kernel was that it used VT instead of syscons. >> The default ppc kernel on the CD seems to be using syscons. >> Obviously I rebuilt the kernel locally once more switching back >> from VT to syscons. Rebooting with the new locally built kernel >> which uses syscons worked just fine again. >> So, my quick hypothesis is that VT must be somehow broken. >>=20 >> An additional little brain teaser I found while fixing the >> dysfunctional boot with the VT enabled kernel was that when >> I boot the ppc system from a CD it seems to be quite happy >> to work with a PS/2 keyboard connected to a USB adapter. >> When I boot the system from hard disk this adapter and the >> PS/2 keyboard connected to it are not recognized at all. >> Here is what "usbconfig list" tells about the gizmo... >>=20 >> ugen1.2: at usbus1, cfg=3D0 md=3DHOST spd=3D= LOW >> (1.5Mbps) pwr=3DON (400mA) >>=20 >> Anyhow it seems that for now it makes sense to stick to >> using syscons instead of VT on ppc unless one wishes to >> start debugging VT code. >>=20 >> Cheers, >> --jau >>=20 >=20 > This is very confusing to me. Are the kernel configs really *completely* i= dentical aside from VT vs. syscons? VT uses the same code on PPC to use the f= ramebuffer as syscons and doesn't touch any of this other stuff. 10.1 also d= oesn't have vt in GENERIC -- only 11 has that. Are you sure you didn't insta= ll an 11 image instead? > -Nathan Yes, the only diff was commenting sc out and putting vt in. I even named the modified version VTGENERIC to remember that this configuration shall never carry any other changes. --jau From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 21:49:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0054D964; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 21:49:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (d.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.50]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9D46FE2; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 21:49:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from aurora.physics.berkeley.edu (aurora.Physics.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.117.67]) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sALLn2Jt006064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 21 Nov 2014 13:49:03 -0800 Message-ID: <546FB34E.6080006@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 13:49:02 -0800 From: Nathan Whitehorn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jukka Ukkonen Subject: Re: Booting freebsd on a powermac g4 from a CD References: <546E38E4.70305@gmail.com> <546E3959.5020904@freebsd.org> <20141121055732.GB56272@FreeBSD.org> <546F028D.9040907@gmail.com> <546F6C90.4040005@freebsd.org> <003B9EAA-E1AD-45C6-AC56-4331BCDE4193@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <003B9EAA-E1AD-45C6-AC56-4331BCDE4193@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sonic-CAuth: UmFuZG9tSVbWduKraVkDblp85yHKAU/d+38jGFp/Jrw6DmzKy4KqV6rhtnA+wFT9b2g4lsMQZ5XRfnbkTrTydklAGExf6jE4rkPdB9yrBfU= X-Sonic-ID: C;am8XNchx5BGxVlG2qJ4NOg== M;UF1XNchx5BGxVlG2qJ4NOg== X-Spam-Flag: No X-Sonic-Spam-Details: 0.0/5.0 by cerberusd Cc: "freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 21:49:11 -0000 On 11/21/14 12:08, Jukka Ukkonen wrote: > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 21 Nov 2014, at 18:47, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: >> >> >>> On 11/21/14 01:14, Jukka Ukkonen wrote: >>>> On 11/21/14 07:57, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: >>>>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:56:25AM -0800, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: >>>>>> On 11/20/14 10:54, Jukka Ukkonen wrote: >>>>>> What might be the current official method or at least known >>>>>> working method for booting FreeBSD on a PowerMac G4 from a CD? >>>>> You should just be able to insert the CD and hold 'C'. Does that not >>>>> work for you? What model of G4 is this? >>> Right, I needed the CD boot only to fix an existing FreeBSD-10.1 >>> installation which had started hanging during boot time autoconfig >>> right after having displayed gem0 MAC address. >>> These odd systematic hangs began after updating from 10.1-RC3 to >>> 10.1. >>> >>> So, I installed an alternative 10.1 kernel from the CD. >>> It booted without any major problems both from the CD and from >>> the hard disk. The only apparent difference in my locally built >>> kernel was that it used VT instead of syscons. >>> The default ppc kernel on the CD seems to be using syscons. >>> Obviously I rebuilt the kernel locally once more switching back >>> from VT to syscons. Rebooting with the new locally built kernel >>> which uses syscons worked just fine again. >>> So, my quick hypothesis is that VT must be somehow broken. >>> >>> An additional little brain teaser I found while fixing the >>> dysfunctional boot with the VT enabled kernel was that when >>> I boot the ppc system from a CD it seems to be quite happy >>> to work with a PS/2 keyboard connected to a USB adapter. >>> When I boot the system from hard disk this adapter and the >>> PS/2 keyboard connected to it are not recognized at all. >>> Here is what "usbconfig list" tells about the gizmo... >>> >>> ugen1.2: at usbus1, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=LOW >>> (1.5Mbps) pwr=ON (400mA) >>> >>> Anyhow it seems that for now it makes sense to stick to >>> using syscons instead of VT on ppc unless one wishes to >>> start debugging VT code. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> --jau >>> >> This is very confusing to me. Are the kernel configs really *completely* identical aside from VT vs. syscons? VT uses the same code on PPC to use the framebuffer as syscons and doesn't touch any of this other stuff. 10.1 also doesn't have vt in GENERIC -- only 11 has that. Are you sure you didn't install an 11 image instead? >> -Nathan > Yes, the only diff was commenting sc out and putting vt in. > I even named the modified version VTGENERIC to remember > that this configuration shall never carry any other changes. > > --jau OK, that's instructive anyway. How about the 10.1 CD thing? The 10.1 ISOs have only syscons. -Nathan From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 23:43:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46344144 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 23:43:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-x234.google.com (mail-la0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B97C4DDE for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 23:43:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f52.google.com with SMTP id q1so5165993lam.11 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 15:43:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=DQM/wmtAo8oIbn69a82zEfh3wRDj1zoaNWvdq/DodV0=; b=vCMdE9U2qYRpBL/DELYNESqjWoOCmXfYRbf2/KbGu7K7LXrC2dToIGg7zwlh1zBJKG P7raZSRltLUGTz+cIU4gOkLOE7thbDuWicQisCCYy364CepusVzBJPGBfyWc9UIyQOva 2E2s9tXL81+1z0toy0OXsbPQoYTNGvdnBp7JY5m2kWFw8RosM3vXclFYPgV58rSv5iKH hWqQ735JGkJ1Ueh8Uxd0LoPdreoGy095DAScldqBcOoe5wMKksb67NOubQ9fKNxBRc2j cld0ZBUhGg6p+r5gJwErYpj2gIBsLbHZVNqcvglLIHzwutTZOFIb0Yt/DxJLW3F1vvTN y6IQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.24.130 with SMTP id u2mr8031119lbf.57.1416613405613; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 15:43:25 -0800 (PST) Sender: chmeeedalf@gmail.com Received: by 10.25.126.214 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 15:43:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <653F809A-C7E1-4326-88F5-104F7FA76EB1@dsl-only.net> References: <653F809A-C7E1-4326-88F5-104F7FA76EB1@dsl-only.net> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 15:43:25 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: FkwI09GSPuM5rInUX0brVjs1rcU Message-ID: Subject: Re: The default driver/mode used for PowerMac G5 Radeon 9800PRO's messes up all normal text display by default... From: Justin Hibbits To: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD PowerPC ML X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 23:43:28 -0000 Just catching this. The radeon.ko driver is barely functional for PowerPC. I recommend removing it before trying again (we should just disable it, since it's useless right now, and instead put effort into getting the radeonkms working). - Justin On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 7:26 PM, Mark Millard wrote: > Hmm. I see that I managed to not mention that this context is/has xfce4's= desktop and standard/included programs involved, along with just xscreensa= ver having been added. (It is from a preliminary stage of installing things= before more might be added.) > > =3D=3D=3D > Mark Millard > markmi@dsl-only.net > > On Jul 20, 2014, at 7:07 PM, Mark Millard wrote: > > [Context: Xorg -configure generated xorg.conf file for a G5 (7,2), except= for explicit alternatives noted for noAccel and SubPixelOrder. Also this i= s the same SSD used for booting NVidia based PowerMac G5's (7,11's) that ha= ve no such problems for the distinct Xorg -configure file generated for the= m. uname -a reports for this SSD: > > FreeBSD FBSDG5S0 10.0-STABLE FreeBSD 10.0-STABLE #0 r268571: Sun Jul 13 0= 6:28:19 UTC 2014 root@grind.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/powerpc.powerpc64/usr/= src/sys/GENERIC64 powerpc > > (just freshly installed a day or so ago) and the "portsnap fetch extract"= was executed earlier today. > ] > > The "user experience" report for what I've observed: > > The PowerPC64 "ATI Radeon 9800PRO NH (AGP)" driver used in a PowerMac G5 = (7,2) messes up *all* normal text display unless Option "NoAccel" is enable= d: menu text, window titles, input fields, label text, all such text. (Basi= c desktop display, simple dialogs and windows from programs, nothing fancy = involved.) When the problem exists in my context the xorg.conf is strictly = as generated by Xorg -configure when in this type of PowerMac. > > The other normal graphics seem fine: only text is messed up for these bas= ic displays. But the compositing results are messed up if they are turned o= ne to try to provide a visual difference around/near windows. > > With "NoAccel" disabled (acceleration on) so the text problem happens NON= E and BGR for SubPixelOrder are messed up the same way and RGB SubPixelOrde= r changes how it looks but the result is still just messed up text. This is= on an Apple ADC FlatPanel. (An Apple ADC CRT also gets the issue.) Some in= ternal interface to accelerated text handling does not map things in memory= as required as far as I can tell. (But I've only explored SubpixelOrder an= d NoAccel changes so far. I've not tried to make compositing work: I just t= urned it back off.) > > I did find one part of one example display that is simple to describe, po= ssibly due to font size details for my context and my text size settings: T= he "Logout Charlie Root" text in the logout dialog had vertical strips miss= ing (i.e., just the background color showing) from the middle or sides of l= etters but enough of each letter was present to be able to tell what each l= etter was. The strips might also have had some small amount of extra space = compared to pure what "white-out" would be (?unsure!). Also with the logout= dialog up the whole display got a significant red tint. > > All of this may suggest byte/bit order handling issues for the text when = acceleration is enabled. Or possibly the 24 bits of color information in a = 32 bit representation being mishandled relative to acceleration interfaces = for handling such. > > Unfortunately I'm only around the PowerMac's for a couple of days again b= efore being far from them for a considerable time. So for now there are lim= its to what I can do to help isolate things --nor will I be able to provide= the test case of that G5 until I'm back round them again. But I figured an= explicit note was better then saying nothing. > > > =3D=3D=3D > Mark Millard > markmi at dsl-only.net > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ppc > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ppc-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 22 03:36:06 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2744479E for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 03:36:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asp.reflexion.net (outbound-242.asp.reflexion.net [69.84.129.242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C02297A3 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 03:36:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 5820 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2014 03:35:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-cs-01.app.dca.reflexion.local) (10.81.19.1) by 0 (rfx-qmail) with SMTP; 22 Nov 2014 03:35:28 -0000 Received: by mail-cs-01.app.dca.reflexion.local (Reflexion email security v7.30.7) with SMTP; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 22:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21682 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2014 03:35:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO iron2.pdx.net) (69.64.224.71) by 0 (rfx-qmail) with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 22 Nov 2014 03:35:57 -0000 X-No-Relay: not in my network X-No-Relay: not in my network X-No-Relay: not in my network Received: from [192.168.1.8] (c-67-189-19-145.hsd1.or.comcast.net [67.189.19.145]) by iron2.pdx.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4BAF11C405D; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 19:35:51 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: The default driver/mode used for PowerMac G5 Radeon 9800PRO's messes up all normal text display by default... From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 19:35:56 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <39FF818C-AEFF-431C-A16C-5FDB26C3A06F@dsl-only.net> References: <653F809A-C7E1-4326-88F5-104F7FA76EB1@dsl-only.net> To: Justin Hibbits X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jean-S=E9bastien_P=E9dron?= , FreeBSD PowerPC ML X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 03:36:06 -0000 Hi. FYI: I've been building and trying Jean-S=E9bastien P=E9dron's = kms-drm-update-38 branch when Jean requested (sometimes with patches = that Jean provided). This was to give Jean some (indirect) access to a = powerpc64 (PowerMac G5) Radeon context for some radeonkms development. = (Jean had been hoping to get my card going in that context.) We got to = the point that a kldload for radeonkms did not complain/refuse but the = display was then munged up and the driver could not find the Video BIOS. = The fact that it is a Radeon X1950 for the video hardware may make it = odder than usual for PowerMac G5 Radeons. But it is the only Radeon that = I have access to for G5's. (The card works in Mac OS X 10.5.) As for my using the G5s on my own: In more recent times I build = powerpc64/GENRIC64 10.x variants with both vt and sc (so no ps3 support = since it does not have sc support). Then I boot whichever seems to work = best for the video hardware, display size, and usage combination that I = intend. (I tend to move the same SSD between G5 contexts.) I also have access to a NVIDIA card I could put in place instead if I = wanted or needed to. But that would duplicate another PowerMac G5 = context that I have access to. My FreeBSD activity is personal and my work activity in recent times has = stopped me from being noticeably active with FreeBSD for a while: I've = basically only been occasionally doing something Jean has requested. So = the above material is actually old and technically I do not yet know = what a vt and sc (no ps3) 10.1-RELEASE variant would be like for the = issues. (Not that I expect a lot of changes of status from early = November.) When I get back to FreeBSD I'll probably track 10.1-STABLE = mostly as far as strictly personal use goes. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard markmi at dsl-only.net On Nov 21, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Justin Hibbits = wrote: Just catching this. The radeon.ko driver is barely functional for PowerPC. I recommend removing it before trying again (we should just disable it, since it's useless right now, and instead put effort into getting the radeonkms working). - Justin From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 22 08:09:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8094BC14; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 08:09:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-x22d.google.com (mail-lb0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::22d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19930E3; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 08:09:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f173.google.com with SMTP id z12so2323453lbi.32 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 00:09:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=/D/LXYeAd7XiIbv1WFNhN09pZcxdAruzcKHa0nKyAeM=; b=Gof9YKUlG4VmT/ukP+VdZZABE3dGtsefC2CPH5H/UdD0vewuqgrzVK08iNi4daO9Fe OGvMfbvchTY6/dFd4/J57NL1Qr5xeUkMPWhVEIoUejovk+WHur9zWkc+JvWsDldMBBs1 4r2NrQbJ5FbWwyfzWJpXbXvQVlOrko9ri5iE+7/+J5IU43Dy4u7Nf31lsuiwvIbBpDd2 +7MrgxhSjop5p8WmPAmEg7GgWRkzAIFJUZKyj2D7qdlVM2t5v5Rm4z9rWdiYsx/S6QUg iht/nCWJD+yggf9uQ6H5HkbOy1YhuR98YP48JDQZoqt31VaJkBqL3w+juBxpSHVTIeW1 ylbQ== X-Received: by 10.152.29.97 with SMTP id j1mr2519587lah.3.1416643745175; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 00:09:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.193] (xdsl-205-163.nblnetworks.fi. [83.145.205.163]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id b9sm1695655laf.15.2014.11.22.00.09.04 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 22 Nov 2014 00:09:04 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: Booting freebsd on a powermac g4 from a CD From: Jukka Ukkonen X-Mailer: iPad Mail (12B435) In-Reply-To: <546FB34E.6080006@freebsd.org> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 10:09:04 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <06B7F5FE-7677-4832-85D7-8901C003AB7F@gmail.com> References: <546E38E4.70305@gmail.com> <546E3959.5020904@freebsd.org> <20141121055732.GB56272@FreeBSD.org> <546F028D.9040907@gmail.com> <546F6C90.4040005@freebsd.org> <003B9EAA-E1AD-45C6-AC56-4331BCDE4193@gmail.com> <546FB34E.6080006@freebsd.org> To: Nathan Whitehorn Cc: "freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 08:09:07 -0000 Sent from my iPad > On 21 Nov 2014, at 23:49, Nathan Whitehorn wrote:= >=20 >=20 >> On 11/21/14 12:08, Jukka Ukkonen wrote: >>=20 >> Sent from my iPad >>=20 >>> On 21 Nov 2014, at 18:47, Nathan Whitehorn wrot= e: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>>> On 11/21/14 01:14, Jukka Ukkonen wrote: >>>>>> On 11/21/14 07:57, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:56:25AM -0800, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: >>>>>>> On 11/20/14 10:54, Jukka Ukkonen wrote: >>>>>>> What might be the current official method or at least known >>>>>>> working method for booting FreeBSD on a PowerMac G4 from a CD? >>>>>> You should just be able to insert the CD and hold 'C'. Does that not >>>>>> work for you? What model of G4 is this? >>>> Right, I needed the CD boot only to fix an existing FreeBSD-10.1 >>>> installation which had started hanging during boot time autoconfig >>>> right after having displayed gem0 MAC address. >>>> These odd systematic hangs began after updating from 10.1-RC3 to >>>> 10.1. >>>>=20 >>>> So, I installed an alternative 10.1 kernel from the CD. >>>> It booted without any major problems both from the CD and from >>>> the hard disk. The only apparent difference in my locally built >>>> kernel was that it used VT instead of syscons. >>>> The default ppc kernel on the CD seems to be using syscons. >>>> Obviously I rebuilt the kernel locally once more switching back >>>> from VT to syscons. Rebooting with the new locally built kernel >>>> which uses syscons worked just fine again. >>>> So, my quick hypothesis is that VT must be somehow broken. >>>>=20 >>>> An additional little brain teaser I found while fixing the >>>> dysfunctional boot with the VT enabled kernel was that when >>>> I boot the ppc system from a CD it seems to be quite happy >>>> to work with a PS/2 keyboard connected to a USB adapter. >>>> When I boot the system from hard disk this adapter and the >>>> PS/2 keyboard connected to it are not recognized at all. >>>> Here is what "usbconfig list" tells about the gizmo... >>>>=20 >>>> ugen1.2: at usbus1, cfg=3D0 md=3DHOST sp= d=3DLOW >>>> (1.5Mbps) pwr=3DON (400mA) >>>>=20 >>>> Anyhow it seems that for now it makes sense to stick to >>>> using syscons instead of VT on ppc unless one wishes to >>>> start debugging VT code. >>>>=20 >>>> Cheers, >>>> --jau >>>>=20 >>> This is very confusing to me. Are the kernel configs really *completely*= identical aside from VT vs. syscons? VT uses the same code on PPC to use th= e framebuffer as syscons and doesn't touch any of this other stuff. 10.1 als= o doesn't have vt in GENERIC -- only 11 has that. Are you sure you didn't in= stall an 11 image instead? >>> -Nathan >> Yes, the only diff was commenting sc out and putting vt in. >> I even named the modified version VTGENERIC to remember >> that this configuration shall never carry any other changes. >>=20 >> --jau >=20 > OK, that's instructive anyway. How about the 10.1 CD thing? The 10.1 ISOs h= ave only syscons. > -Nathan As I tried to explain before, the kernel on the 10.1 CD works. That is how I figured out that the console code must be somehow the culprit. My first local 10.1 build, which hanged during the boot, used VT, though, otherwise it was built using a completely normal GENERIC configuration. Both the kernel on the 10.1 CD and my second local build have used syscons, and they do not experience the mysterious hangs. --jau From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 22 17:53:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 24AB884E; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 17:53:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (d.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.50]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 035E0E63; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 17:53:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zeppelin.tachypleus.net (polaris.tachypleus.net [75.101.50.44]) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sAMHrsfw031118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 22 Nov 2014 09:53:55 -0800 Message-ID: <5470CDB2.2030709@freebsd.org> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 09:53:54 -0800 From: Nathan Whitehorn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jukka Ukkonen Subject: Re: Booting freebsd on a powermac g4 from a CD References: <546E38E4.70305@gmail.com> <546E3959.5020904@freebsd.org> <20141121055732.GB56272@FreeBSD.org> <546F028D.9040907@gmail.com> <546F6C90.4040005@freebsd.org> <003B9EAA-E1AD-45C6-AC56-4331BCDE4193@gmail.com> <546FB34E.6080006@freebsd.org> <06B7F5FE-7677-4832-85D7-8901C003AB7F@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <06B7F5FE-7677-4832-85D7-8901C003AB7F@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sonic-CAuth: UmFuZG9tSVY5Luwrm7hBGt23+uk41lxYFc0kiuSyTdexe2eDVMfwuw8HBA1vBl+/Et/REgreltlPRnwge2sGHn/KKm/1ZXU57uMMEuh8Vok= X-Sonic-ID: C;fJ+ZhnBy5BG5WFG2qJ4NOg== M;kgsDh3By5BG5WFG2qJ4NOg== X-Spam-Flag: No X-Sonic-Spam-Details: 0.0/5.0 by cerberusd Cc: "freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 17:53:57 -0000 On 11/22/14 00:09, Jukka Ukkonen wrote: > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 21 Nov 2014, at 23:49, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: >> >> >>> On 11/21/14 12:08, Jukka Ukkonen wrote: >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On 21 Nov 2014, at 18:47, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On 11/21/14 01:14, Jukka Ukkonen wrote: >>>>>>> On 11/21/14 07:57, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: >>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:56:25AM -0800, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: >>>>>>>> On 11/20/14 10:54, Jukka Ukkonen wrote: >>>>>>>> What might be the current official method or at least known >>>>>>>> working method for booting FreeBSD on a PowerMac G4 from a CD? >>>>>>> You should just be able to insert the CD and hold 'C'. Does that not >>>>>>> work for you? What model of G4 is this? >>>>> Right, I needed the CD boot only to fix an existing FreeBSD-10.1 >>>>> installation which had started hanging during boot time autoconfig >>>>> right after having displayed gem0 MAC address. >>>>> These odd systematic hangs began after updating from 10.1-RC3 to >>>>> 10.1. >>>>> >>>>> So, I installed an alternative 10.1 kernel from the CD. >>>>> It booted without any major problems both from the CD and from >>>>> the hard disk. The only apparent difference in my locally built >>>>> kernel was that it used VT instead of syscons. >>>>> The default ppc kernel on the CD seems to be using syscons. >>>>> Obviously I rebuilt the kernel locally once more switching back >>>>> from VT to syscons. Rebooting with the new locally built kernel >>>>> which uses syscons worked just fine again. >>>>> So, my quick hypothesis is that VT must be somehow broken. >>>>> >>>>> An additional little brain teaser I found while fixing the >>>>> dysfunctional boot with the VT enabled kernel was that when >>>>> I boot the ppc system from a CD it seems to be quite happy >>>>> to work with a PS/2 keyboard connected to a USB adapter. >>>>> When I boot the system from hard disk this adapter and the >>>>> PS/2 keyboard connected to it are not recognized at all. >>>>> Here is what "usbconfig list" tells about the gizmo... >>>>> >>>>> ugen1.2: at usbus1, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=LOW >>>>> (1.5Mbps) pwr=ON (400mA) >>>>> >>>>> Anyhow it seems that for now it makes sense to stick to >>>>> using syscons instead of VT on ppc unless one wishes to >>>>> start debugging VT code. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> --jau >>>>> >>>> This is very confusing to me. Are the kernel configs really *completely* identical aside from VT vs. syscons? VT uses the same code on PPC to use the framebuffer as syscons and doesn't touch any of this other stuff. 10.1 also doesn't have vt in GENERIC -- only 11 has that. Are you sure you didn't install an 11 image instead? >>>> -Nathan >>> Yes, the only diff was commenting sc out and putting vt in. >>> I even named the modified version VTGENERIC to remember >>> that this configuration shall never carry any other changes. >>> >>> --jau >> OK, that's instructive anyway. How about the 10.1 CD thing? The 10.1 ISOs have only syscons. >> -Nathan > As I tried to explain before, the kernel on the 10.1 CD works. > That is how I figured out that the console code must be somehow > the culprit. My first local 10.1 build, which hanged during the boot, > used VT, though, otherwise it was built using a completely normal > GENERIC configuration. > Both the kernel on the 10.1 CD and my second local build have > used syscons, and they do not experience the mysterious hangs. > > --jau Ah, I misunderstood. Apologies. This is truly bizarre -- there is zero coupling between the terminal layer and any of these bits. Could you tell me what graphics hardware you are using and what the native resolution of your monitor is? -Nathan >