From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 30 00:28:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3646746 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 00:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dd13304.kasserver.com (dd13304.kasserver.com [85.13.135.53]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5355A5B for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 00:28:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nermal.rz1.convenimus.net (p5B02036C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.2.3.108]) by dd13304.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 52B211E022C for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 01:22:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from falbala.rz1.convenimus.net (falbala.rz1.convenimus.net [192.168.100.8]) by nermal.rz1.convenimus.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F1F15211 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 00:25:52 +0100 (CET) From: Christian Baer To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Is there something like tmux for X11? Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 01:22:14 +0100 Message-ID: <3805113.juPtNthEKl@falbala.rz1.convenimus.net> User-Agent: KMail/4.14.2 (FreeBSD/10.1-RELEASE; KDE/4.14.2; amd64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 00:29:00 -0000 Hi everyone! Sorry for the bad subject line, but I don't know how to express this in a short way. This is probably also the reason why I have not found anything useful using google and the like. To explain this, let's say I have two machines: acer and dell. Please excuse the corny names. :-) acer is my workstation and dell is some big machine with a lot of CPUs and RAM. When I log on to dell via ssh, I can start tmux or screen and then start some application. The the connection is broken, or I decide to turn my computer (acer) off, then dell will keep on running my app. When I connect the next time, I can use tmux or screen to get control of the app again and everything looks as though the connection was never lost. Is there some way to basicly do the same thing using X? I log on to dell again using ssh -Y, start an app, get the display on my screen (on acer). But I can logout and turn off acer without terminating the app on dell. I also want to be able to pull the app back to my desktop the next time I log on. Somehow I can't imagine that noone has thought of this yet. :-) I don't want a complete howto here, just a push in the right direction. A link to some documentation would be fine. Best regards, Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 30 01:46:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9AD1E396 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 01:46:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm1-vm4.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm1-vm4.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.75]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD45FCA for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 01:46:57 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1417312008; bh=2iZB8l7H79E8uW2f1nL2CDAoVrkfYiwmE+xVA3fZ3gs=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=XdP32EYYEXQszf73Ktx7GwjXhHzgkYaos8r8c7v3kctePoXTx4vLj1i/MENh1S5I9EgJk5yd4D3RYD5tIaLYmUBQhY+VGpAIhF+2WTvSnJ77J06e0oqOCcQnLA7PNoXvIrQbqppPZHDeU2MqVJ+RF9nfDnOFr0c7yUbkiUxWAh8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rocketmail.com; b=HbbXs6wNBeC7JXXtT7Ug7+OCI6SN1ms9HFSYxlx4LFMcBqTdMuCov65yzm86P4igomVv7fEu+zu6mBnq1GQv3DzFtLtoyp4LaNYsaZ+IC+0ydTn3tW+7Ow5NTmQPzWHIkulKMkLd1I/BIzeRZJbG6fxBxx30sB3kgFyL5LJXJQ0=; Received: from [212.82.98.127] by nm1.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2014 01:46:48 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.98] by tm20.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2014 01:46:48 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp135.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2014 01:46:48 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 275284.11767.bm@smtp135.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: xnXTZdcVM1kEHlo5WebithANFwiKpxn5yeRBNDo..oJg6ZO 0W.gPOUCS0dsrG1ztr6Y4FAKl1U0IlQgA69mapc2w4ma7Xxmm69z51iZor_E VVmfg8qc6tim4LGN5zCQZm7JLLXibLVG7kRUoti4PwHiId1IJGYQH6YopEzp ThG43whvJI_tO6gZSLLqDfoG1i1ZPnpOsyqPq0yYcM6dNmeO0bbgyQNaW67X UkBFTS0JJe75Seed2CSpk9sduFhVDuhUuM3RE1PnpMWvCYZ.7ydoNut9k_XJ qG_GI7l7t4yPrU2UAgEyDcCkq1OIc9OE84SKKdkG80tnKVW9UGzYzAwWs3ce rWlp8_xjFBbDGAumWBkMUCwrJAjPO7VdoTpcbZM2kV72lvjXEm3F_jg92iYK RQ.ICJVCAAR8ZLnLY3zyV2i7zdyM5PmevVTGK6xIxLCjrQaqDImSlT0GdQbl RWtH2YZgz2ddQarKyhxHWWzbHY7GGPI84GU3aOw4BX4x4xj97wTriKk5BnZ8 JFdr21R27DS6Bh0i3dYZzdwyndu3rAR4- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 02:46:47 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD Message-ID: <20141130024647.55013135@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <547a52e9.tCBMi6xWobou5Fcd%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> <54791d3a.w/pI0kak03d+3nKC%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141129113405.3d1bd1d6@X220.alogt.com> <54798883.saa13h6lE6rPwZCf%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141129113018.17759e2a@archlinux> <547a52e9.tCBMi6xWobou5Fcd%perryh@pluto.rain.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1-35-ga8df3ae (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 01:46:58 -0000 On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 15:12:41 -0800 perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) wrote: > However, a full wave bridge (4 diodes) should produce a DC > output roughly equal to the peak-to-peak value of the AC > input, or ~2.8 * the RMS voltage. Perhaps you're right, but at the moment I still guess half of it, 1.4 is the correct value for a 4 diodes rectifier too. OTOH 1.5V voltage loss by the diodes, as I mentioned, might be a half-truth. Often a voltage loss of 0.35V - 0.7V is mentioned. Likely a little bit to OT ;), so I'll be quiet now. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 30 02:16:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C24D651B for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 02:16:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B2D232F for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 02:16:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sAU2GDkr061942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 29 Nov 2014 19:16:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id sAU2GDpH061936; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 19:16:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 19:16:13 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Christian Baer Subject: Re: Is there something like tmux for X11? In-Reply-To: <3805113.juPtNthEKl@falbala.rz1.convenimus.net> Message-ID: References: <3805113.juPtNthEKl@falbala.rz1.convenimus.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 29 Nov 2014 19:16:13 -0700 (MST) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 02:16:15 -0000 On Sun, 30 Nov 2014, Christian Baer wrote: > Hi everyone! > > Sorry for the bad subject line, but I don't know how to express this in a > short way. This is probably also the reason why I have not found anything > useful using google and the like. > > To explain this, let's say I have two machines: acer and dell. Please excuse > the corny names. :-) acer is my workstation and dell is some big machine with > a lot of CPUs and RAM. When I log on to dell via ssh, I can start tmux or > screen and then start some application. The the connection is broken, or I > decide to turn my computer (acer) off, then dell will keep on running my app. > When I connect the next time, I can use tmux or screen to get control of the > app again and everything looks as though the connection was never lost. > > Is there some way to basicly do the same thing using X? I log on to dell again > using ssh -Y, start an app, get the display on my screen (on acer). But I can > logout and turn off acer without terminating the app on dell. I also want to > be able to pull the app back to my desktop the next time I log on. Untested by me, but see x11/xpra. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 30 02:46:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 666E0B72 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 02:46:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.bein.link (bein.link [37.252.124.82]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 297397C5 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 02:46:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from quad.localnet (unknown [188.134.8.193]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.bein.link (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3BD751AF199; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 02:41:02 +0000 (UTC) From: Maxim V FIlimonov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is there something like tmux for X11? Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 05:41:01 +0300 Message-ID: <6197895.2IK6tNn2ey@quad> User-Agent: KMail/4.14.2 (FreeBSD/10.1-RELEASE; KDE/4.14.2; amd64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <3805113.juPtNthEKl@falbala.rz1.convenimus.net> References: <3805113.juPtNthEKl@falbala.rz1.convenimus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: Christian Baer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 02:46:37 -0000 On Sunday 30 November 2014 01:22:14 Christian Baer wrote: > Hi everyone! > > > Is there some way to basicly do the same thing using X? I log on to dell > again using ssh -Y, start an app, get the display on my screen (on acer). > But I can logout and turn off acer without terminating the app on dell. I > also want to be able to pull the app back to my desktop the next time I log > on. > > Somehow I can't imagine that noone has thought of this yet. :-) > > I don't want a complete howto here, just a push in the right direction. A > link to some documentation would be fine. > You might launch it using x11-servers/xorg-vfbserver in tmux, like: % env DISPLAY=:99 Xvfb % env DISPLAY=:99 firefox And then connect to the X server launched in tmux via vnc. -- wbr, Maxim Filimonov che@bein.link From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 30 07:46:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36A962D4 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 07:46:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mario.brtsvcs.net (mario.brtsvcs.net [IPv6:2607:fc50:0:a400::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0BD25223 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 07:46:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from chombo.houseloki.net (c-71-59-211-166.hsd1.or.comcast.net [71.59.211.166]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mario.brtsvcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EBF832C160D for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 07:46:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:baca:3aff:fe83:bd29] (ivy.libssl.so [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:baca:3aff:fe83:bd29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by chombo.houseloki.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0B30E16D6 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 23:46:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <547ACB53.6050807@bluerosetech.com> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 23:46:27 -0800 From: Darren Pilgrim Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Should freebsd-update case-fold release identifiers? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 07:46:36 -0000 I upgraded a machine from 10.0 to 10.1 tonight. Ran in this odd little quirk: # freebsd-update -r 10.1-release upgrade Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 5 mirrors found. Fetching metadata signature for 10.0-RELEASE from update2.freebsd.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Inspecting system... done. The following components of FreeBSD seem to be installed: kernel/generic world/base The following components of FreeBSD do not seem to be installed: world/doc world/games Does this look reasonable (y/n)? y Fetching metadata signature for 10.1-release from update2.freebsd.org... failed. Fetching metadata signature for 10.1-release from update5.freebsd.org... failed. Fetching metadata signature for 10.1-release from update4.freebsd.org... failed. Fetching metadata signature for 10.1-release from update6.freebsd.org... failed. Fetching metadata signature for 10.1-release from update3.freebsd.org... failed. No mirrors remaining, giving up. # It seems to me that the case of the word "release" shouldn't matter. The tool should either do a case-insensitive match, or case-fold to upper, since that's what all release identifiers use anyway. 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Best regards, Minette | Director MKT AU IT SOLUTIONS Proudly Australian Headquarters: Office 7003 X2 Tower, Cluster X, Melbourne Vic. 3000 Australia Branch Offices: Sydney | Perth | Brisbane | Adelaide | Hobart From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 30 13:28:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F018A750 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 13:28:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C43E42DA for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 13:28:01 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=2OppatUFN7EVrpPhfNkpyOQrFwq8vmIYFIX3Oh16hmY=; b=iKst+06RT8+lh/Wkd/kkmVxXlkskR6lHvUYlylHHOYXujHdKOiDlVQ/wbuTliyAPPf3Bu0KB3qexdJtLpNoPjYQAVdhufltkd/bzw9qecbzWJenFZmVhwPc0mWoDIUVMlF2TYwnkr4rEDM2fdQP6yiCM3s3Z9Xy2KdMH3CxWS+8=; Received: from [114.124.6.0] (port=59173 helo=X220.alogt.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Xv4XX-003k4O-U3; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 06:27:53 -0700 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 21:27:46 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) Subject: Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD Message-ID: <20141130212746.6d5eaf1f@X220.alogt.com> In-Reply-To: <54798883.saa13h6lE6rPwZCf%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> <54791d3a.w/pI0kak03d+3nKC%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141129113405.3d1bd1d6@X220.alogt.com> <54798883.saa13h6lE6rPwZCf%perryh@pluto.rain.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: kudzu@tenebras.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 13:28:02 -0000 Hi, On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 00:49:07 -0800 perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) wrote: > Erich Dollansky wrote: > > As switching voltage regulators use a few hundred volts, > > it is a bit difficult to match this with a battery. > > Depends on how many cells one is willing to string together > in series. IIUC the battery in a Toyota Prius supplies a > few hundred volts. are you sure? > > However, there is no intrinsic reason why a switching regulator > _has to_ take a few hundred volts as input. Those under discussion > here are set up that way because that is what is easily and cheaply > available: > The reason is very simple: cost. > 120VAC ==> full-wave rectifier ==> ~300 VDC ==> switching regulator > | | > 12VDC <--+ | > | > 5VDC <------+ > > (That is typical for North America; in Europe the AC would be > ~240V and the DC therefore ~600V.) > > To integrate a UPS with the PSU, one would instead build something > along the lines of: > > multitapped > 120VAC ==> step-down ==> 6VAC ==> full-wave ==> ~15VDC ==> battery1 > transformer rectifier > | > +---> 3VAC ==> full-wave ==> ~7.5VDC ==> battery2 > rectifier > > battery1 ==> regulator ==> 12VDC > > battery2 ==> regulator ==> 5VDC > How much energy is then wasted? On the other side, there are concepts used in which the 'power supply' converts the incoming 230V AC to something like 48V which is then brought to the individual sections of a large computer and there onverted into the required voltage. > IOW the computer runs off the batteries, which are charged by the > stepped-down but unregulated (or minimally-regulated) line voltage. > > There is nothing the least bit new about this -- the telephone > industry was doing it in the mid 20th century. They installed > enough battery capacity for their system to run on battery power > alone for however long it would take to get their standby generators > started up (or for at least a few days in smaller offices that did > not have standby generators). The real big data centres should still use the same concept. The last big data centre used 100% the same concept the telecommunication industry uses for their own network. The data centre used even to have in the basement a 'swimming pool' which kept below the freezing point to have even cooling available without the need to power it with the generators. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 30 13:42:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 37744C2C for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 13:42:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06835647 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 13:42:34 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=uhGXwihLNqNIf4n9UZa9Byd1BChZTit9OMLVYl3d9oI=; b=N82Oubrl9dWfI5NcQ8aKS0kPBvEoTwtUhBwjXe7dXy1MRgz7AJHdDpvl0XWnUVgmGXjfPSHvUHU1F8qPOP0lAsg/g2R4gRMnrmgNGEbSZaM94Qwas1uc18nJxdWVbI6xyoXjHKHssjyWEmddETZTT2+63tWVdAtufEusdZ2Cz98=; Received: from [114.124.6.0] (port=58859 helo=X220.alogt.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Xv4lk-003wR9-Db; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 06:42:33 -0700 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 21:42:09 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: Darren Pilgrim Subject: Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD Message-ID: <20141130214209.78a99653@X220.alogt.com> In-Reply-To: <547A24F7.6070100@bluerosetech.com> References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> <54791d3a.w/pI0kak03d+3nKC%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <547937AB.1030706@radel.com> <20141129121211.014cb856@X220.alogt.com> <547A24F7.6070100@bluerosetech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 13:42:35 -0000 Hi, On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 11:56:39 -0800 Darren Pilgrim wrote: > On 11/28/2014 8:12 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > Real high voltage transmission > > lines using DC make sense. > > Someone already tried that. It doesn't work. The conductors have to > be impractically large to get a useful amount of current, and the > distance loss is so high you can't build even a metro grid with it, > let alone a regional grid or the long-distance transmission systems > we use now. it does not work? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-voltage_direct_current It is a pretty common thing meanwhile. It is used only inside the networks and consumers never get a direct contact to the DC part of it. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 30 14:59:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94BE08E7 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 14:59:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qg0-x234.google.com (mail-qg0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4ADC4C3C for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 14:59:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qg0-f52.google.com with SMTP id a108so6342418qge.25 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 06:59:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsd.com.br; s=capeta; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:organization :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=DINnrcwIWgTBxnszDZgZ+edpp6zPL6gX+XfhwtL9X3E=; b=XVI5K0UfbVdML8J0F9RfnrYqbsqpgs7UNgz3+b+R9YB/WwNqC/lX6JFadlezYCNDwL J/0vM97HZl7UiZNSSDopb9pGq1k8LX5lgB8lyH+4QkfQIv96Xb9cUOexXERQu/3SWElK aRsp6+VUk2wxcYAXahVkVGSfNGPMw1U7es/tY= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:organization:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=DINnrcwIWgTBxnszDZgZ+edpp6zPL6gX+XfhwtL9X3E=; b=P3L844sYnyA0LMs9J1As8WdK9d3KnopH5/Ci7Rjem7Fhdo9iqZIYnyMY+l8cG7Xa7Z XzqTgDb1BgFMi6DLFyAHDqVG/TpdpgMvTsZJdiaA4QMfOBMK6vvo4ownrYDIWJseS/R7 Qy435N5z4ZXizJc9E0lMHP7C5IrWQAB6t536bBr1p4Dmp9cN0ilcxhLaf0jsmOWH0lHL ylRI2MsPK73JEnwKfGw6GSIEAEPQL3MVAFSatHcmmtKAox7WAFoUnMZ4RWvcIDHqqlGf 0r4+cdDDzCyvr5x1iFJA+gOLXYXWoR5/BDry5RdJPiKoXA4enfR/eTGtA8xOoIfOBdcw Nmcg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkSECH3wFte3nvsbI2pvITgvWCoA06c5UK1z4NO7j33xgq0DjN+twFniACfxaPR/nN0+mJR X-Received: by 10.140.108.201 with SMTP id j67mr78155723qgf.89.1417359543933; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 06:59:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from Papi ([177.98.94.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d9sm14810739qam.26.2014.11.30.06.59.02 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 30 Nov 2014 06:59:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 11:57:27 -0300 From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Second all the authors of references about computers programming, is necessary develop currently in Assembly, Decimal code, Octal code, Hex code, Code that tweaks other code to do bad things which is another form of writing machine code, Binary code, Microcode? Message-ID: <20141130115727.76d9ab1e@Papi> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: BSD X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.10.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 14:59:05 -0000 =C3=94 Jorge ... vai arranjar uma trouxa de roupa pra lavar !! ML On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 12:56:24 -0200 fran=C3=A7ai s wrote: > Second all the authors of references about computers programming, is > necessary develop currently in: >=20 > Assembly?; >=20 > KERMIT?; >=20 > Kermit is a file transfer program written entirely in assembler on > many platforms for speed. Kermit is quite large and sophisticated, > which was a barrier to entry back in the day before the internet and > most communications protocols were standardized. To ease the > transition, and taking advantage of the .COM format in DOS, kermit > came with a bootstrap program that was made up entirely of printable > characters so that one could easily type it in (well, not so easily, > but it was possible since it was only maybe a hundred or two bytes > long). The authors of this program had to learn which assembler op > codes and addressing modes lead to printable characters and write > their code accordingly. Not exactly programming directly in machine > code, but very close. It was really quite an impressive bootstrap > technique. >=20 > Decimal code?; >=20 > Octal code?; >=20 > Hex code?; >=20 > Code that tweaks other code to do bad things which is another form of > writing machine code?; >=20 > Binary code?; >=20 > Microcode? >=20 > Comparing the responses of all the authors of references about > computers programming about all the levels of computers programming > that I quoted above, exist different opinions? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 30 15:04:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F02809A3 for ; 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FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Johnstone , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UPS for FreeBSD References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <54789AF3.7090100@yahoo.com> <547AAC20.1050006@tridentusa.com> In-Reply-To: <547AAC20.1050006@tridentusa.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 16:11:47 -0000 To all that responded on this thread: Thank you. I feel I have a better understanding of all this now. :-) The time spent to better educate others and myself is welcome and so "FreeBSD Community". P. On 11/30/2014 00:33, John Johnstone wrote: > I agree this thread is extremely long so I'll consolidate. > > On 11/28/14 10:55 AM, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions wrote: >> Again, these UPSes are not double sine wave, they are stepped. You can >> get one for cheap, but, again, how much value do you place on your >> server and the information it has? If you're looking at APC, you have >> to look at their 'server class' UPS. They start (I think) at 1500VA and >> about $850. > > I think things could be clearer about the terms "double sine wave" and > "stepped". I think it should be made clear that although a UPS that > outputs a 60 Hz square wave is producing a poor approximation of a > sine wave, better designs still produce a sine wave in a stepped > fashion, just with a higher number of steps. One that produces an > infinite number of steps would be indistinguishable from a pure sine > wave. > > On 11/28/14 5:04 PM, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions wrote: >> I found this which seems to be pretty solid. I believe it someone >> mentioned UltraUPS. >> >> http://www.controlledpwr.com/whitepapers/uutopla1.pdf > > This whitepaper refers to the stepped approximation of a pure sine > wave in their design: > > "The inverter reconstructs a sinewave from the DC using PWM (pulse width > modulation); a method that “digitizes” the DC into various width pulses > to make an AC sinewave." > > The number of steps needs to be high enough to not cause problems. > > On 11/27/14 2:25 PM, Darren Pilgrim wrote: >> Sine-wave approximating inverters do bad things to any power supply >> with a regulator cap (which is everything that won't catch fire on >> its own). The issue is the high frequency components and the >> hundreds of under- and over-voltage events per second inherent to the >> stepped square waveforms used (every step is a spike or sag). >> >> UPS manufactures know this is bad, so they try to hide it by calling >> it "modified sine wave", "quasi sine wave", "simulated sine wave", >> "PWM sinewave", etc., and hope you're dumb enough to fall for it. I >> have yet to see a consumer UPS that doesn't do this. > > I wouldn't say it fair to interpret UPS manufacturer's descriptions of > their methods of simulation as "hiding". > >> You need to buy a server-grade UPS to get something that won't damage >> your electronics. APC SmartUPS, Cyberpower PFC Sinewave or Smart >> App, Eaton 5P/PX or 9 series, Tripp Lite SmartOnline, etc. > > On 11/28/14 1:22 PM, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions wrote: >> "Simulates" utility power. This is the sneaky little bit of >> marketing. Saying it's sine output.... It is, but it's simulated. >> I've been roped in by the APC marketing machine previously. > > As far as "simulated" being a bad thing, by definition all UPS's have > to simulate a sine wave once the AC power goes away. It is just a > question of how close an approximation is it. There's no question > that a 60 Hz square wave would be a poor approximation. > > As the number of steps increases, the magnitude of the "high frequency > components" and "under- and over-voltage events" becomes so small as > to be negligible. There are plenty of "server-grade" UPS's that > produce a step approximated simulated sine wave as the Controlled > Power whitepaper states. > > One aspect to consider is that if a UPS isn't an on-line design, any > negative effects experienced by the load due to the quality of the > output sine wave will only occur when the output is being produced by > the UPS during a power failure. It's reasonable to expect that this > is going to be a short interval which in many cases may not cause any > power supply problems. > > - > John J. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 30 17:03:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 105D0A91 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 17:03:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 636CD98D for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 17:03:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id sAUH3ZpG028734; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 04:03:36 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 04:03:35 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Matt Emmerton Subject: RE: OT: UPS for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20141201033342.B85722@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, jd1008 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 17:03:46 -0000 Re: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 547, Issue 7, Message: 6 On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 16:04:03 -0500 "Matt Emmerton" wrote: > > On 11/29/2014 12:56 PM, Darren Pilgrim wrote: > > > On 11/28/2014 8:12 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > >> Real high voltage transmission > > >> lines using DC make sense. > > > > > > Someone already tried that. It doesn't work. The conductors have to > > > be impractically large to get a useful amount of current, and the > > > distance loss is so high you can't build even a metro grid with it, > > > let alone a regional grid or the long-distance transmission systems we > > > use now. > > > > > > > > That is correct Darren - Long distance transmission, even for a scan few > > miles is impractical with DC. > > You might be interested to learn that many electrical utilities across the > world use DC transmission systems over hundreds or thousands of kilometers. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HVDC_projects Indeed, there's a lot of it about. A broader treatment of HVDC is at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-voltage_direct_current Particularly useful for undersea links, I'm familiar here with BassLink: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basslink which at 400kV / 500MW / 200km it's just a baby compared to the big ones, such as "The longest HVDC link in the world is currently the Xiangjiaba - Shanghai 2,071 km (1,287 mi), ±800 kV, 6400 MW link connecting the Xiangjiaba Dam to Shanghai, in the People's Republic of China" and "Early in 2013, the longest HVDC link will be the Rio Madeira link in Brazil, which consists of two bipoles of ±600 kV, 3150 MW each, connecting Porto Velho in the state of Rondônia to the São Paulo area, where the length of the DC line is 2,375 km (1,476 mi)." On the smaller end of the scale, there's lots of microgrids being built, mostly in the developing world, many of which are partly or largely DC. cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 30 17:23:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3E57C1A for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 17:23:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-x229.google.com (mail-wi0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 37536B26 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 17:23:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f169.google.com with SMTP id r20so24491778wiv.4 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 09:23:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=iih1OU8qQJaoaGBd8ObyKFLscwBnup+//w722qRgsTw=; b=D5Tbgm4DQ6c1YVlILf+SU7SPL+N4bB6SyaRHZQKSljR+bLU2iccB57ZTxdBzgO5JR6 9HvgBcSnb0ygvxIA3C+UdS/GfkcGiefY/zqtip/TGxoNccsQxhgpA5InxzKWRXXsJXdQ L0ILhhyu43hnBX0yCHddh+FwhMOtb5ERnisIQdKyiDvxYPpy2QxuRYaIDaSRrPGuRRM6 JxnjJ/9rDi4OP0NUKgbctZ2vBCNDmuOdUep9PlBYf/gzUbS9wzdxZkBPoh8NYQPrjkz4 3GBT4wcrLQP4GFeAuCSzMO5sTceh+3Wc0fKILOILHkFkUq1U+OSivh5QnfwG7G++IiX6 OtXw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.101.200 with SMTP id fi8mr77641394wib.77.1417368223730; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 09:23:43 -0800 (PST) Sender: fluca1978@gmail.com Received: by 10.194.85.43 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 09:23:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 18:23:43 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: I7C3uSmnJpLBSukCNpyB1hroSKk Message-ID: Subject: suggestion for an all-in-one with multi page scanner From: Luca Ferrari To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 17:23:45 -0000 Hi all, Christmas is approaching and I'd like a suggestion for an all-in-one device with multipage scanner. In particular I'm interested in the printer and scanner, I don't need the fax device. And of course it is supposed to fully work with FreeBSD. Any idea? Thanks, Luca From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 30 19:31:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6472B95 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 19:31:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mario.brtsvcs.net (mario.brtsvcs.net [IPv6:2607:fc50:0:a400::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9CD1495B for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 19:31:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from chombo.houseloki.net (unknown [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:21c:c0ff:fe7f:96ee]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mario.brtsvcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A86B72C160E; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 19:31:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:baca:3aff:fe83:bd29] (ivy.libssl.so [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:baca:3aff:fe83:bd29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by chombo.houseloki.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B4E861724; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 11:31:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <547B7093.1020305@bluerosetech.com> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 11:31:31 -0800 From: Darren Pilgrim Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Perry Hutchison Subject: Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> <54791d3a.w/pI0kak03d+3nKC%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141129113405.3d1bd1d6@X220.alogt.com> <54798883.saa13h6lE6rPwZCf%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141129113018.17759e2a@archlinux> <547a52e9.tCBMi6xWobou5Fcd%perryh@pluto.rain.com> In-Reply-To: <547a52e9.tCBMi6xWobou5Fcd%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 19:31:38 -0000 On 11/29/2014 3:12 PM, Perry Hutchison wrote: > Presuming a reasonable amount of capacitance on the output, > a half wave (single diode) rectifier should produce a DC > output roughly equal to the peak value of the AC input, > which is indeed ~1.4 * the RMS AC voltage. A two-diode > full-wave rectifier using a center tap will also produce DC > of ~1.4 * the RMS voltage of the entire winding (and with > the advantage of less ripple). > > However, a full wave bridge (4 diodes) should produce a DC > output roughly equal to the peak-to-peak value of the AC > input, or ~2.8 * the RMS voltage. An unloaded, ideal, single-phase FWR produces Vdc = 0.900Vrms. The factor is 2sqrt(2)/pi, to be precise. A half-wave rectifier produces half that. From where did you get your figures? 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[188.220.129.154]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id dc8sm25639807wib.7.2014.11.30.13.03.08 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 30 Nov 2014 13:03:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 21:03:05 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD Message-ID: <20141130210305.2d62bbb1@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <547B7093.1020305@bluerosetech.com> References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> <54791d3a.w/pI0kak03d+3nKC%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141129113405.3d1bd1d6@X220.alogt.com> <54798883.saa13h6lE6rPwZCf%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141129113018.17759e2a@archlinux> <547a52e9.tCBMi6xWobou5Fcd%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <547B7093.1020305@bluerosetech.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 21:03:12 -0000 On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 11:31:31 -0800 Darren Pilgrim wrote: > On 11/29/2014 3:12 PM, Perry Hutchison wrote: > > Presuming a reasonable amount of capacitance on the output, > > a half wave (single diode) rectifier should produce a DC > > output roughly equal to the peak value of the AC input, > > which is indeed ~1.4 * the RMS AC voltage. A two-diode > > full-wave rectifier using a center tap will also produce DC > > of ~1.4 * the RMS voltage of the entire winding (and with > > the advantage of less ripple). > > > > However, a full wave bridge (4 diodes) should produce a DC > > output roughly equal to the peak-to-peak value of the AC > > input, or ~2.8 * the RMS voltage. > > An unloaded, ideal, single-phase FWR produces Vdc = 0.900Vrms. The > factor is 2sqrt(2)/pi, to be precise. A half-wave rectifier produces > half that. That's the mean voltage, which is of limited relevance. > From where did you get your figures? He's referring to a rectifier charging a smoothing capacitor; the voltage will rise to sqrt(2)*Vrms. He's added on an unnecessary factor of two - possibly because he's mixing it up with a bridge-rectifier in a centre-tap configuration. 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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 21:46:20 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: lorvorc.mips.inka.de 1417383980 25196 ::1 (30 Nov 2014 21:46:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@mips.inka.de User-Agent: slrn/1.0.1 (FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 21:46:31 -0000 On 2014-11-29, françai s wrote: > Second all the authors of references about computers programming, is ^^^^^^ > necessary develop currently in: Ah, Portuguese. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/segundo#Portuguese -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 30 23:41:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7D4BC40 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 23:41:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-x233.google.com (mail-yk0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 687DB35F for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 23:41:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f179.google.com with SMTP id 19so4258152ykq.38 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 15:41:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=W70NHzPSnZRRxoir/nzmqKDKeQyA85QBcRimxxmDYe8=; b=nWecJvyvcy0iAlUY+q/nS198Z0sskCKo7PeEvqjF7Fj2Qshr8Q5mvh1uxT+259LuAR IpnH4q/3El5xHr1mdG37YRqOyNhe08ZJc3UK50QIJvzArJadkATpGOb3LuSrtwSjJryQ gT5O3Phdd8hRD2iZLCiHgXV1hpR7k+dWGsRK9DSwZQN/CQPs6c73fMCD3hcZb5YW6CEX 0siBKgfOotGti+OxxFXf495H+akrBVmvMRs7NqNiVV91j0QhiTPXgteG4Ii7K0ub90W6 jgrg9FdeW9N0RkRDuJAa+jiIPxTN8hzica47vPRa0mj51me7zc32NC2/9cU1chC1b3Zc aeRw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.170.154.195 with SMTP id v186mr50416621ykc.29.1417390876584; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 15:41:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.170.82.134 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 15:41:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 19:11:16 -0430 Message-ID: Subject: Install package inside a no-networked jail from outside From: Alberto Mijares To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 23:41:17 -0000 Hi list, I have a jail with no network configuration. I'd like to install packages from outside using pkg. I tried -c and -j options but they try to use the networking enviroment inside the jail, so it fails. Any idea? Thanks in advance, Alberto Mijares From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 00:04:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34A26F76 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 00:04:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-x232.google.com (mail-yk0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F31E876D for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 00:04:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f178.google.com with SMTP id 20so4262823yks.37 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 16:04:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=TINLFL9DgbcvIKfT54sxVwe386DoGxwFYUR22NdTJ3s=; b=Z6p9KnvZXCYlzLMn/s4npxQh9ucMMYHNzXxPDaiH71dx8cH+6DwwL2R9EKCNokNmU9 WXI4V7S1wxwvUyu+uaH6wHckR8mRoFc9LhT9f1hnKa6KjdwJxyHeTocrreyZYCBrcYla ptuP/eEXiYxPn1QbeCLRXpAlLJOSxNMN4/llx4TxhO2mcf1H/C+gVwcDJL2ZLv6kqglF 6Wz46DFbsT7nmul3Htwu30EIyLOW2UamBmYAftiF6RsM6SXeQXsbvdpfnrubLBQ3zhZe yzFD94uS4UPIRQGFgctrBlaofR5kj0G8VrPsrgl+R/OxgmLGFL202ScE1tARsJRaXt6/ uiUw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.8.98 with SMTP id 62mr56354372yhq.50.1417392266878; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 16:04:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.170.82.134 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 16:04:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 19:34:26 -0430 Message-ID: Subject: Re: RootOnZFS FreeBSD 10.1 can't boot after install From: Alberto Mijares To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 00:04:28 -0000 On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 7:22 AM, Alberto Mijares wrote: > On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Alberto Mijares wrote: >> Hi list, >> >> I never tried a RootOnZFS with RAIDZ{1,2} before. After 10.1-RELEASE >> (couple days ago) I did. >> >> I'm using VirtualBox on Debian. The VM has 3 or 4 disks (I've tried >> both) and after a successful install, the VM doesn't boot. All I can >> see is >> >> >> ZFS: i/o error - all block copies unavailable >> ZFS: can't find dataset u >> ZFS: can't open root filesystem >> gptzfsboot: failed to mount default pool zroot >> >> FreeBSD/x86 boot >> Default: zroot: >> boot: > > > I forgot to mention: I'm using the Auto (ZFS) option in bsdinstall :) I'd like to close this thread. On another virtualization environment everything went smooth. There must be something wrong with the VirtualBox version I was using for the tests. Thanks anyway for reading. Best regards Alberto Mijares From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 01:05:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDD03E44 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 01:05:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pd0-x235.google.com (mail-pd0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2E15CC9 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 01:05:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pd0-f181.google.com with SMTP id v10so4479451pde.40 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 17:05:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=z6zfZM6htuM35oeCKcO0OwNbYZ/KlZqsVDW6K6EO9Nk=; b=C7ak2+xPoGf5r0nw0ZZF5bLUtC33HJBf2QEmQ2gCjGBZ7wMjMmOeaw7JpqjtkQY2K2 9mroTRxlvwt6qyERggfMwxgaKn6l2R8IruYXX+Em2ExQW4ufBexnB5lVF8Yr7Q4xbrf/ O8ux5vqft//jiMTSClFLXhWdGPrqXO8EkSBoTvCRG8Z0JWkcCyT6eLEdPGpmnZwnsM6y cVQxF43Fib4OJDvH+DoCAV94qGJG7Hr8oGRVql6VATx+vARIUaYPSfuH5VTkuFs+g1nx gySaT7Jtbp32XKZ4YQQ5Vg8QpZtvMusquP0ff0ZYkhEzFAHQzrVCdCyRHZBa4QLstGTS fCIQ== X-Received: by 10.68.229.33 with SMTP id sn1mr95146092pbc.63.1417395927286; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 17:05:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (76-218-80-47.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net. [76.218.80.47]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ht3sm15961184pad.18.2014.11.30.17.05.26 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 30 Nov 2014 17:05:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <547BBED6.7040606@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 18:05:26 -0700 From: jd1008 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Install package inside a no-networked jail from outside References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 01:05:28 -0000 On 11/30/2014 04:41 PM, Alberto Mijares wrote: > Hi list, > > I have a jail with no network configuration. I'd like to install > packages from outside using pkg. > > I tried -c and -j options but they try to use the networking > enviroment inside the jail, so it fails. > > Any idea? > > Thanks in advance, > > > Alberto Mijares > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Perhaps the network gurus would like to know your firewall rules in the host and in the jail. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 02:03:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF310377 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 02:03:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pd0-x236.google.com (mail-pd0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B887252 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 02:03:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pd0-f182.google.com with SMTP id r10so9790558pdi.41 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 18:03:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZGqV6ND+raCjVmIURjrcpPouC2stJTI6NdzYiZRbMyM=; b=Q4odkJFOK98vTTfnfBNUi7XQhSPsgARiej2otnm5x3Tv/+vRJ0zrUeXXU2IJIhYIab K4QZ+5shbS/6X6MPhRCdTQ2mNyz0EPjEu+Ha2Xrgjv85dN5E/E5dWpCDNa7iQBqIBaLB Sp2mWSajiR86d2oLLfcbKz5AKShbjdlyllmoY+HErG5LEgzkx8zkzfrKfyv8WYeGeD9M ujwt2fWuy4XLB0CNppG3OIwx3gl24oqOwQzfnY/n3m5exxwB2Itwv06fezJcqgtkx2rV MuuFn6IjxBePS44NWYvFq7ZdwZxc2+ZLYHonGdRR/9fOOBBBYKkP7SKhcmudDHZNiUev Myxw== X-Received: by 10.68.108.67 with SMTP id hi3mr95767721pbb.19.1417399435196; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 18:03:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.111.113] ([120.29.118.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id yb8sm16034165pab.7.2014.11.30.18.03.53 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 30 Nov 2014 18:03:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <547BCC8C.6010509@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 10:03:56 +0800 From: Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alberto Mijares Subject: Re: Install package inside a no-networked jail from outside References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 02:03:55 -0000 Alberto Mijares wrote: > Hi list, > > I have a jail with no network configuration. I'd like to install > packages from outside using pkg. > > I tried -c and -j options but they try to use the networking > enviroment inside the jail, so it fails. > > Any idea? > > Thanks in advance, > > > Alberto Mijares > You have to provide greater details when posting. This sentence is very vague."I'd like to install packages from outside using pkg" Just what do you mean by "outside"? From the HOST??? What?. You could aways host fetch the packages you want to install and put them in a directory inside of the jail directory tree and them exec pkg pointing to location packages were fetched to, or if the packages you want are on the freebsd install disk1, then exec pkg command inside of jail pointing to install cd. A jail without network is pretty much useless. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 03:14:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C5035E41 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 03:14:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83339B6A for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 03:14:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id sB13E16j087337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 30 Nov 2014 19:14:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.14.2/Submit) with UUCP id sB13E13q087336; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 19:14:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from fbsd81 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA00902; Sun, 30 Nov 14 18:43:09 PST Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 18:43:09 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) To: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com Subject: Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD Message-Id: <547bd5bd.dKE49fHIj28ERZyT%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> <54791d3a.w/pI0kak03d+3nKC%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141129113405.3d1bd1d6@X220.alogt.com> <54798883.saa13h6lE6rPwZCf%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141130212746.6d5eaf1f@X220.alogt.com> In-Reply-To: <20141130212746.6d5eaf1f@X220.alogt.com> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: kudzu@tenebras.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 03:14:07 -0000 Erich Dollansky wrote: > On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 00:49:07 -0800 > perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) wrote: > > To integrate a UPS with the PSU, one would instead build something > > along the lines of: > > > > multitapped > > 120VAC ==> step-down ==> 6VAC ==> full-wave ==> ~15VDC ==> battery1 > > transformer rectifier > > | > > +---> 3VAC ==> full-wave ==> ~7.5VDC ==> battery2 > > rectifier > > > > battery1 ==> regulator ==> 12VDC > > > > battery2 ==> regulator ==> 5VDC > > How much energy is then wasted? In the transformer and rectifier, very little: both are highly efficient. The battery will incur charge/discharge losses, but we would have to contend with those in any UPS, regardless of how the batteries are charged or how their energy is delivered to the load. That leaves the regulators. I'm minimizing those losses by providing a separate battery and regulator for each required output voltage, so as to minimize the IV loss in the regulator. If you prefer the (IMO questionable) relative simplicity of using a single (multi-output) regulator, you can certainly use an 18- or 24-volt battery and run the regulator(s) off of that to deliver 12VDC and 5VDC (or whatever voltages are needed). The point is that it is certainly simpler, and likely more efficient, to deliver the DC battery power to the DC load by DC -> DC regulation than by inverting to 120 or 240VAC only to have the PC's PSU convert the AC right back to DC for the load -- which how external UPS operate. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 03:22:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F6B8FB6 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 03:22:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yh0-x22e.google.com (mail-yh0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c01::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6661CC3E for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 03:22:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yh0-f46.google.com with SMTP id t59so4455338yho.33 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 19:22:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=sObmzfxoIwEvZto5oL1IWBx3JlldwWgZjM6jSr6hQV8=; b=Uk54h1YoEmg+pilk4WLQVyvjld4uPJPQtd76db8uvTOnFk60nGQtkCBYFdsc4kCGkq nGeSglrFjGTc02cYK8kiloOgqGoZyTHXI45B9rq6iDq3CPsAyN1E5GBPbMNALXixPyyL oMaseEIkjzRHDi4IrZdQzinqZsZ2InxP3p3kBvA3U4iVtOxmSKItk9Bc3pFndnW2pogz 4ofA2hmqWCIxEJFeucy7yqhARSSFisSa1hV7mwF+dBt2DZyI3Ttbdhz5ChS/sRPEejkw woafNY0HFoEbIMZr7BcgwqlTn8o4JzZDuC3xV1I9mVCJ1HnUKIYigj2idgTaes2tlP3m l2mg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.31.33 with SMTP id l21mr56816786yha.14.1417404169350; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 19:22:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.170.82.134 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 19:22:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <547BCC8C.6010509@gmail.com> References: <547BCC8C.6010509@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 22:52:49 -0430 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Install package inside a no-networked jail from outside From: Alberto Mijares To: Luzar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 03:22:50 -0000 > > > You have to provide greater details when posting. > This sentence is very vague."I'd like to install packages from outside using > pkg" > > Just what do you mean by "outside"? From the HOST??? What?. Yes, I mean "from the host". > You could aways host fetch the packages you want to install and put them in > a directory inside of the jail directory tree > and them exec pkg pointing to location packages were fetched to, or if the > packages you want are on the freebsd install disk1, > then exec pkg command inside of jail pointing to install cd. This was my first approach; however, you need to bootstrap pkg and AFAIK this is not possible without networking. BTW, I think pkg should be installed by default now. > A jail without network is pretty much useless. No. It's very useful to me, indeed. If you can't see a case of use it doesn't mean it's useless. If you need more details for providing more ideas just let me know. Regards, Alberto Mijares From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 03:39:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 270F1178 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 03:39:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD0ABD24 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 03:39:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-18-117.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.18.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 772613CE1E; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 04:30:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id sB13UTj9004579; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 04:30:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 04:30:29 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Alberto Mijares Subject: Re: Install package inside a no-networked jail from outside Message-Id: <20141201043029.c1fd9321.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <547BCC8C.6010509@gmail.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions , Luzar X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 03:39:05 -0000 On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 22:52:49 -0430, Alberto Mijares wrote: > This was my first approach; however, you need to bootstrap pkg and > AFAIK this is not possible without networking. BTW, I think pkg should > be installed by default now. It is installed in the special incarnation that the "OS pkg" does fetch the current "port pkg". This approach makes it easier to continuously develop pkg and improve its features. However, the call for a "basic functional pkg" in the OS is justified and understandable, so you can have a tool to install binary packages from the installation media - except, of course, the installation media also contains a "port pkg" that is being installed first, so it can then proceed to install the intended packages. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 04:08:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8DCA255F for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 04:08:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-x22a.google.com (mail-yk0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47565F9F for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 04:08:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f170.google.com with SMTP id q200so4378333ykb.15 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:08:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=aTkw+092u+MiwriL23j3Pakpj76t0gdR3Vi4A7Ghsk4=; b=lRU6bruKufdCnJ2MTAVyfskdyUtx87G1TrpY1FjlHavpjqeDg/ejfYDBMCL/JEancU eLh5k6d13ILqnNn2UWRymn7naQ2GeElf+a7ogMRlknhSOPhkf483w+OFXCpdvhBcknpA MwgiEPvwkV3TIw3xak8kfX1S0oi+maSZzfoBf1Sg396/yLpdXq2OuFdbY5mLBhh5q33P phlsMBRI4/uQJwm2SnTYSqdoOIi6uHNXGN/qjwBq5+FkbTQ+0GsXV6kjWklo9w11Zt5T dz+KxTjzjM9RkZzeKB02gpJwJRIzvCmF8yiUZg7Y0pUA6g3TZneqD5WGfCvRf+14+aay 2hWg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.170.122.134 with SMTP id o128mr53543577ykb.55.1417406929526; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:08:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.170.82.134 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:08:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20141201043029.c1fd9321.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <547BCC8C.6010509@gmail.com> <20141201043029.c1fd9321.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 23:38:49 -0430 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Install package inside a no-networked jail from outside From: Alberto Mijares To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: FreeBSD Questions , Luzar X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 04:08:50 -0000 On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 11:00 PM, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 22:52:49 -0430, Alberto Mijares wrote: >> This was my first approach; however, you need to bootstrap pkg and >> AFAIK this is not possible without networking. BTW, I think pkg should >> be installed by default now. > > It is installed in the special incarnation that the > "OS pkg" does fetch the current "port pkg". This > approach makes it easier to continuously develop > pkg and improve its features. However, the call > for a "basic functional pkg" in the OS is justified > and understandable, so you can have a tool to install > binary packages from the installation media - except, > of course, the installation media also contains a > "port pkg" that is being installed first, so it can > then proceed to install the intended packages. Thank you. Your post gave me some ideas that took me here http://forums.freebsd.org/threads/how-to-install-a-binary-package-without-internet-access.42968/ so I did it. Regards, Alberto Mijares From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 05:16:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 792223A7 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 05:16:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mario.brtsvcs.net (mario.brtsvcs.net [199.48.128.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 45860D77 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 05:16:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from chombo.houseloki.net (c-71-59-211-166.hsd1.or.comcast.net [71.59.211.166]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mario.brtsvcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BFBFB2C160E; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 05:16:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:baca:3aff:fe83:bd29] (ivy.libssl.so [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:baca:3aff:fe83:bd29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by chombo.houseloki.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E2952176A; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 21:16:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <547BF99D.3070801@bluerosetech.com> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 21:16:13 -0800 From: Darren Pilgrim Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RW , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> <54791d3a.w/pI0kak03d+3nKC%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141129113405.3d1bd1d6@X220.alogt.com> <54798883.saa13h6lE6rPwZCf%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141129113018.17759e2a@archlinux> <547a52e9.tCBMi6xWobou5Fcd%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <547B7093.1020305@bluerosetech.com> <20141130210305.2d62bbb1@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20141130210305.2d62bbb1@gumby.homeunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 05:16:26 -0000 On 11/30/2014 1:03 PM, RW wrote: > On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 11:31:31 -0800 Darren Pilgrim wrote: >> An unloaded, ideal, single-phase FWR produces Vdc = 0.900Vrms. The >> factor is 2sqrt(2)/pi, to be precise. A half-wave rectifier produces >> half that. > > That's the mean voltage, which is of limited relevance. The mean voltage is the output DC voltage. >> From where did you get your figures? > > He's referring to a rectifier charging a smoothing capacitor; the > voltage will rise to sqrt(2)*Vrms. No, the voltage across the capacitor will rise to 0.900*Vrms. Look at it this way: The output of the diodes is a time-varying (AC) signal with a DC offset. The cap provides a low-impedance path for the AC signal, turning the voltage cycle into a current cycle that accumulates a charge in the cap. Once the cap is fully charged, it fully negates the AC component and you're left with just the DC offset of 0.900*Vrms. > He's added on an unnecessary factor > of two - possibly because he's mixing it up with a bridge-rectifier in a > centre-tap configuration. A bridge rectifier doesn't use a center-tapped transformer. You wouldn't see 2*Vpeak in a two-diode rectifier either. The voltage between the center tap and either diode tap is at most Vpeak. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 06:00:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E666994 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 06:00:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F420C332 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 06:00:48 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=azz+lHfPQW9yyYpqnqFZ8XZWQN6lAmLbx2rfOSiiW5U=; b=vUp8g9fi0HZnsMeC88gVDeyGD501JmdaESpuANWakVQzOrAgqi5UTqkTYZQYQPujnh1V4gb8lN/bGQE50L17EdnqK76xZ3OqtRtPRdB2H8tOfVes2v9ccqOjE+ABXkr0qvw9Rtz5G3wwBnIg9DxjcMpWi1fgIr/ifMc3xxx8om4=; Received: from [114.124.31.41] (port=64117 helo=X220.alogt.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1XvK2P-002fYC-KP; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 23:00:46 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 14:00:37 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) Subject: Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD Message-ID: <20141201140037.584faf7e@X220.alogt.com> In-Reply-To: <547bd5bd.dKE49fHIj28ERZyT%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> <54791d3a.w/pI0kak03d+3nKC%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141129113405.3d1bd1d6@X220.alogt.com> <54798883.saa13h6lE6rPwZCf%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141130212746.6d5eaf1f@X220.alogt.com> <547bd5bd.dKE49fHIj28ERZyT%perryh@pluto.rain.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: kudzu@tenebras.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 06:00:49 -0000 Hi, On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 18:43:09 -0800 perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) wrote: > Erich Dollansky wrote: > > On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 00:49:07 -0800 > > perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) wrote: > > > To integrate a UPS with the PSU, one would instead build something > > > along the lines of: > > > > > > multitapped > > > 120VAC ==> step-down ==> 6VAC ==> full-wave ==> ~15VDC ==> > > > battery1 transformer rectifier > > > | > > > +---> 3VAC ==> full-wave ==> ~7.5VDC ==> > > > battery2 rectifier > > > > > > battery1 ==> regulator ==> 12VDC > > > > > > battery2 ==> regulator ==> 5VDC > > > > How much energy is then wasted? > > In the transformer and rectifier, very little: both are highly > efficient. The battery will incur charge/discharge losses, but > we would have to contend with those in any UPS, regardless of > how the batteries are charged or how their energy is delivered > to the load. > when developers come to below 10% losses for typical load situations, they give a party. > That leaves the regulators. I'm minimizing those losses by > providing a separate battery and regulator for each required > output voltage, so as to minimize the IV loss in the regulator. > > If you prefer the (IMO questionable) relative simplicity of using > a single (multi-output) regulator, you can certainly use an 18- > or 24-volt battery and run the regulator(s) off of that to deliver > 12VDC and 5VDC (or whatever voltages are needed). The point is > that it is certainly simpler, and likely more efficient, to deliver > the DC battery power to the DC load by DC -> DC regulation than by > inverting to 120 or 240VAC only to have the PC's PSU convert the AC > right back to DC for the load -- which how external UPS operate. How do you do a DC-DC regulation without high losses? The best known way is going via AC to reduce the losses. The moment you are at AC, the rest does not matter anymore. You can now use standard AC voltages with standard AC - DC converters to minimise cost. The cost include here also the operating cost. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 10:14:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A95E7232 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 10:14:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-x22c.google.com (mail-la0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20D0AAB for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 10:14:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f44.google.com with SMTP id ge10so8526570lab.3 for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 02:14:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=2tNnZyRGMcQR3yM3snJRTtYyrxPpTK6DwxANS5aQXag=; b=in+sudLL50rQBxfpaRJCMc2vLSwXVXgDuv9thkzBzBPAc49StYz9v6lDQArY/6BFHy o8N3vQkf+zk7jBIeCnPbxmPSju0Qs5Plb5HpJDGVc7a9cmZPsFczo5A7Ob3N3SmolNnm iOd7D5Tu/CQUoA9LOjPmfADgLZi26nNdxBM6fQWPuugIoEcxfNO7CVI0EWvgXrwLRNrx 9XN+wbbSZQWyQbBhJA1D+C9DIECOjSwnhQe4cjnbe1ypqMoSJtUGsQ90YrP9Nozum8Id /53aeD/LmZqAvB/tDPYdt26nD2okePG/yCLKlVVN9Sn+UfVeoQHgk8R2DwryIMj9z0yB AQMg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.18.130 with SMTP id w2mr43645828lad.1.1417428878079; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 02:14:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.168.136 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 02:14:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <546E5D2D.6010603@gmail.com> <54700218.8090300@bananmonarki.se> <54708578.5070401@bananmonarki.se> <54708DC4.8070209@bananmonarki.se> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 08:14:37 -0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: olvwm on amd64 From: Luciano Rottava da Silva To: Christian Weisgerber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 10:14:40 -0000 But it is not running on i386 either. Like I said, compilation is alright, but due to the TTY (BSD x SYSV R4) it is not running. On 29 November 2014 at 21:20, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > On 2014-11-28, Adrian Chadd wrote: > > > I'll take a look at why xview is segfaulting on amd64. Hopefully it's > > something stupid. > > As far as I remember, it simply isn't 64-bit clean. It assumes > sizeof(int) == sizeof(void *) throughout. > > -- > Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 13:34:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AAFFE22 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 13:34:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-x236.google.com (mail-vc0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c03::236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46945EB9 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 13:34:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id hq12so4489906vcb.41 for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 05:34:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=SWQBz3TWNNd2BQQMSQw5EYe5NdlM8ASGezfxsX1JBNQ=; b=Ors/xR8zO1XSDWDFFkDmCUum/oF495eNbSC+glF39gb9/x9Hw2+KR4BOGqVll6gdjN d9DHVRGRGaMWqKKeFz/xifCGW58lxx3eqQmg8kQqEzjAYFeDgvX5/oGQEeirqtjCChJD c/P1sdTi2L8j91k1KzlVlrLFMbpZiEnTJad0xynpeC/2NGrF/pZXn8wajKVDg6KoD9yb VTQRJXAhE1fyptCOfsS2WW2kP8Dsx9B02qWLO/wCxymT5NutRFnBXMqUJBqaaSGBeCKl w7shCRuzX7NV9PrbEDubuXeMf4JQeaYdKQTxy7GXQhD1F628+wRC4emuTVtj82jizotD ml7w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.101.81 with SMTP id b17mr10503037vco.14.1417440887335; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 05:34:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.244.99 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 05:34:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 16:34:47 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Gnome3 no animation From: Pavel Timofeev To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 13:34:48 -0000 Hi! I've installed x11/gnome3 on my fresh FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE amd64. It's great, thank to freebsd-gnome team! But I can't see any animations. I can't see even an option to turn it on. As I know my hardware (ASUS P8B75-M + i3-2120) is enough for it. Here is my Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/V0965HyB Can someone help me, please? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 15:05:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0652FEE0 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 15:05:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-x231.google.com (mail-vc0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c03::231]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B32E5A5C for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 15:05:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f177.google.com with SMTP id ij19so4564231vcb.22 for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 07:05:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=UCt8WQXRLVwIONV3JTiQWFoGCRtkADOZ7kmYyLMxMQA=; b=trHPBl3SqRprkgS6BvKJnkhLmWGO4z73z7VaA7LotkqurS7KLqZHi2sKfHL+kMbPzK 7t/EhDgvzpzv7iM1blNhBjYLnIp8NyEidYYVLY5lCMsnyuk0cd7Jq1kJa+xozVLN8iQc RlPvv6om5TTGrdGLSlYCEJ075bAECqkXB7hieP7tUB4MmIQ8hCwiQnfmFEkG+3JMzZJk 3cb3p29WTT8b/OVle277soecjyNtgwWH5J6gaAGssXOT98FL2fwAWtEHZ7hShffy1Fpa 05GEYDYjOqOFnnt5LK2qP1Y1sgeJm7MxuO/E+WOyIUCFylvrXt6Kr2n5kVOIjLpXn++M IOmQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.101.81 with SMTP id b17mr10863690vco.14.1417446301758; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 07:05:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.244.99 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 07:05:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 18:05:01 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Gnome3 no animation From: Pavel Timofeev To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 15:05:05 -0000 Wow, x11/gnome-shell pkg-message helped me! Sorry for the noise! 2014-12-01 16:34 GMT+03:00 Pavel Timofeev : > Hi! > I've installed x11/gnome3 on my fresh FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE amd64. > It's great, thank to freebsd-gnome team! > > But I can't see any animations. I can't see even an option to turn it on. > As I know my hardware (ASUS P8B75-M + i3-2120) is enough for it. > > Here is my Xorg.0.log > http://pastebin.com/V0965HyB > > Can someone help me, please? 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[188.220.129.154]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id h8sm28862190wiy.17.2014.12.01.07.28.49 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 01 Dec 2014 07:28:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 15:28:48 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD Message-ID: <20141201152848.33a54703@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <547BF99D.3070801@bluerosetech.com> References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> <54791d3a.w/pI0kak03d+3nKC%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141129113405.3d1bd1d6@X220.alogt.com> <54798883.saa13h6lE6rPwZCf%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141129113018.17759e2a@archlinux> <547a52e9.tCBMi6xWobou5Fcd%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <547B7093.1020305@bluerosetech.com> <20141130210305.2d62bbb1@gumby.homeunix.com> <547BF99D.3070801@bluerosetech.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 15:28:52 -0000 On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 21:16:13 -0800 Darren Pilgrim wrote: > On 11/30/2014 1:03 PM, RW wrote: > > On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 11:31:31 -0800 Darren Pilgrim wrote: > >> An unloaded, ideal, single-phase FWR produces Vdc = 0.900Vrms. The > >> factor is 2sqrt(2)/pi, to be precise. A half-wave rectifier > >> produces half that. > > > > That's the mean voltage, which is of limited relevance. > > The mean voltage is the output DC voltage. Defining the DC component of a pure rectified sine wave as the output DC voltage isn't really useful, unless the design smooths to that value. > >> From where did you get your figures? > > > > He's referring to a rectifier charging a smoothing capacitor; the > > voltage will rise to sqrt(2)*Vrms. > > No, the voltage across the capacitor will rise to 0.900*Vrms. Look > at it this way: > > The output of the diodes is a time-varying (AC) signal with a DC > offset. The cap provides a low-impedance path for the AC signal, > turning the voltage cycle into a current cycle that accumulates a > charge in the cap. Once the cap is fully charged, it fully negates > the AC component and you're left with just the DC offset of > 0.900*Vrms. When you connect a smoothing capacitor it charges to the peak rectified voltage; when the rectified voltage move off-peak, the capacitor can't discharge through the diodes. Most linear regulators operate with a smoothing capacitor kept close to the peak voltage to minimise the headroom needed by the regulator, which in turn reduces the heat generated. This is the most substantial reason why a square wave is problematic, it can't have both the correct RMS and peak voltage. In practice a computer power-supply would have active circuitry between the rectifier and the capacitor for power-factor correction. In that case the voltage on the capacitor is arbitrary. > > He's added on an unnecessary factor > > of two - possibly because he's mixing it up with a bridge-rectifier > > in a centre-tap configuration. > > > A bridge rectifier doesn't use a center-tapped transformer. You > wouldn't see 2*Vpeak in a two-diode rectifier either. The voltage > between the center tap and either diode tap is at most Vpeak. > Bridge rectifiers are commonly used with a grounded centre-tap to provide positive and negative rails. In that case the smoothed voltage on the bridge output is ~ 2*sqrt(2)*Vrms, but only because Vrms is specified per secondary winding. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 15:41:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9827CB35 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 15:41:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yh0-x233.google.com (mail-yh0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c01::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52155E9A for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 15:41:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yh0-f51.google.com with SMTP id a41so4990601yho.10 for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 07:41:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=QLLST72AFBmJjlj5hSljTA2ukBkZLlzkuUFJlREcx0c=; b=VvJB5AYgo5MXnXTfYEdwADZ2A921tpAlXmtIWJZb8XYYSCtxo2eBiXdODzg5IuFBwK Qx6RdMJGUu6SiwYGMtjTiy2obka8QHGs0YtTk30gpe3+R6x7VMCWhqtosa53rgkJjp6R Kp/17cUf0Pbk3DGZ1th3/6258WZR7yPFsVoTT5fZkSbbq9dZR/g6/7aop545MJmALtqk 7JkvbSS+udJH7wgUgxERyGJw9vUFUqVGgGOHreIai14UBqiiizO/VRv7M5ewvvfIP5ym E1DAW6h5Prl8GwLI8mPn2MGH9FyVOR1v3ii92mPrcuLCuQw8asxvHIzThJuw0uw+JGFg io0Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.100.115 with SMTP id y79mr58380864yhf.151.1417448480479; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 07:41:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.170.90.131 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 07:41:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2009670619.1949950.1417447305976.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100209.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <2009670619.1949950.1417447305976.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100209.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 07:41:20 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Research on FreeBSD From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: Salman Ali Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 15:41:21 -0000 On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 7:21 AM, Salman Ali via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > Comsat institute of information technology > Pakistan Dec 1,2014 > Dear > My current supervisor at Comsats institute of information technology , > suggested that I contact you to learn more about the operating > system(FreeBSD) as i am studying the course OPERATING SYSTEM CONCEPTS and > i have chosen this operating system for the research purpose. I have got > much information regarding that OS but i want the details that what are you > goals, what types of research your are doing right now ,how to install that > OS every detail that you can provide me so that i can make a report and > learn more about your concepts and your Operating System. My hope is to > learn more in-depth information about your organization and your Operating > System than is available via the internet or publications produced by the > Center. hope that you will reply as soon as posible. > thanks. > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeBSD https://www.freebsd.org/ https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/ http://www.amazon.com/Design-Implementation-FreeBSD-Operating-System/dp/0321968972/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1417448115&sr=1-1&keywords=freebsd The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System (2nd Edition) Sep 15, 2014 by Marshall Kirk McKusick and George V. Neville-Neil http://www.amazon.com/Absolute-FreeBSD-Complete-Guide-2nd/dp/1593271514/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1417448115&sr=1-2&keywords=freebsd Absolute FreeBSD: The Complete Guide to FreeBSD, 2nd Edition Nov 14, 2007 by Michael W. Lucas http://www.amazon.com/FreeBSD-Device-Drivers-Guide-Intrepid/dp/1593272049/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1417448115&sr=1-3&keywords=freebsd FreeBSD Device Drivers: A Guide for the Intrepid May 10, 2012 by Joseph Kong Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 16:43:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63608F6A for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 16:43:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-x22e.google.com (mail-vc0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 142CE826 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 16:43:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f174.google.com with SMTP id id10so4862772vcb.33 for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 08:43:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=qKWqfFSeUEzePN82u86djIFI6YjSIMOQFO1UyQFfmrQ=; b=iRrqK8Q9CALzuTDKRC7ru3YBZSt5reBxUQUg05SMj+vGW5nq/Xg1yD5x9Kw0lokUFS QX9Galm+Gg4wjOJcAA9pgYjSZ75areVXwYORCuhKHDAo0hPTWUTf5rLxSIYGkyg9jOeT v2/Z8b8hFPQlSWbSRNUO/mZphbydksUbARNwYhNH0KYC/oEVnrDUt3VosM7JsYGaL+/C 1W2qhiXlQkVSLaI1+ccOj2PAZmahfdc6jOZYW6LKPdxd2uZW9mN9hdL4m6dhaZKT3lvs wH3sunCRlYSjurj+UOOu3kG1yCuPxFe35vumSAIBwlW3nkn5/F6ti9sxt3YJnI0fbelQ oCqg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.162.74 with SMTP id xy10mr17418826vdb.19.1417452229121; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 08:43:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.31.137.17 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 08:43:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <547B41BE.20700@yahoo.com> References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <54789AF3.7090100@yahoo.com> <547AAC20.1050006@tridentusa.com> <547B41BE.20700@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 08:43:48 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: UPS for FreeBSD From: Mike Starr To: Paul Pathiakis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: John Johnstone , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 16:43:50 -0000 unsubscribe webmaster freebsd-questions@freebsd.org On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 8:11 AM, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > To all that responded on this thread: > > Thank you. I feel I have a better understanding of all this now. :-) > > The time spent to better educate others and myself is welcome and so > "FreeBSD Community". > > P. > > On 11/30/2014 00:33, John Johnstone wrote: > >> I agree this thread is extremely long so I'll consolidate. >> >> On 11/28/14 10:55 AM, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions wrote: >> >>> Again, these UPSes are not double sine wave, they are stepped. You can >>> get one for cheap, but, again, how much value do you place on your >>> server and the information it has? If you're looking at APC, you have >>> to look at their 'server class' UPS. They start (I think) at 1500VA an= d >>> about $850. >>> >> >> I think things could be clearer about the terms "double sine wave" and >> "stepped". I think it should be made clear that although a UPS that >> outputs a 60 Hz square wave is producing a poor approximation of a sine >> wave, better designs still produce a sine wave in a stepped fashion, jus= t >> with a higher number of steps. One that produces an infinite number of >> steps would be indistinguishable from a pure sine wave. >> >> On 11/28/14 5:04 PM, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions wrote: >> >>> I found this which seems to be pretty solid. I believe it someone >>> mentioned UltraUPS. >>> >>> http://www.controlledpwr.com/whitepapers/uutopla1.pdf >>> >> >> This whitepaper refers to the stepped approximation of a pure sine wave >> in their design: >> >> "The inverter reconstructs a sinewave from the DC using PWM (pulse width >> modulation); a method that =E2=80=9Cdigitizes=E2=80=9D the DC into vario= us width pulses >> to make an AC sinewave." >> >> The number of steps needs to be high enough to not cause problems. >> >> On 11/27/14 2:25 PM, Darren Pilgrim wrote: >> >>> Sine-wave approximating inverters do bad things to any power supply >>> with a regulator cap (which is everything that won't catch fire on >>> its own). The issue is the high frequency components and the >>> hundreds of under- and over-voltage events per second inherent to the >>> stepped square waveforms used (every step is a spike or sag). >>> >>> UPS manufactures know this is bad, so they try to hide it by calling >>> it "modified sine wave", "quasi sine wave", "simulated sine wave", >>> "PWM sinewave", etc., and hope you're dumb enough to fall for it. I >>> have yet to see a consumer UPS that doesn't do this. >>> >> >> I wouldn't say it fair to interpret UPS manufacturer's descriptions of >> their methods of simulation as "hiding". >> >> You need to buy a server-grade UPS to get something that won't damage >>> your electronics. APC SmartUPS, Cyberpower PFC Sinewave or Smart >>> App, Eaton 5P/PX or 9 series, Tripp Lite SmartOnline, etc. >>> >> >> On 11/28/14 1:22 PM, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions wrote: >> >>> "Simulates" utility power. This is the sneaky little bit of >>> marketing. Saying it's sine output.... It is, but it's simulated. >>> I've been roped in by the APC marketing machine previously. >>> >> >> As far as "simulated" being a bad thing, by definition all UPS's have to >> simulate a sine wave once the AC power goes away. It is just a question = of >> how close an approximation is it. There's no question that a 60 Hz squa= re >> wave would be a poor approximation. >> >> As the number of steps increases, the magnitude of the "high frequency >> components" and "under- and over-voltage events" becomes so small as to = be >> negligible. There are plenty of "server-grade" UPS's that produce a ste= p >> approximated simulated sine wave as the Controlled Power whitepaper stat= es. >> >> One aspect to consider is that if a UPS isn't an on-line design, any >> negative effects experienced by the load due to the quality of the outpu= t >> sine wave will only occur when the output is being produced by the UPS >> during a power failure. It's reasonable to expect that this is going to= be >> a short interval which in many cases may not cause any power supply >> problems. >> >> - >> John J. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- >> unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 16:46:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F9AA20F for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 16:46:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qg0-f43.google.com (mail-qg0-f43.google.com [209.85.192.43]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34C1785A for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 16:46:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qg0-f43.google.com with SMTP id q108so7747726qgd.2 for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 08:46:40 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=puM1nr1Ob/SjCsLjmk4LBiINoALjqPsh5bS9O30kpCQ=; b=VYAwTXatBmcTJltw1QXlvQRzK447hq9+S1Pvt5EdSg+3DPlCrN/3O6adGdXOtLZ+TD 6BXFxRuEgemxZ+JyTH6pqWVkMvPVMjebQozb37UMOV0rrlWsPuFjbMDc7qf2wZ/AYOTt JXXH/NIP6J1QuLdPIugGfvWPFQlJanzuI1LJXAc+2pkVMIBSQPme3CLHwAxdhDrwwC9d 9bGPdE1j4HDW0v0Oql+evq9URLJ3d0yldsEXq/0yyJyDTOfdyM8PBlK9sJoJV2BAiInB xjwWFnbOyqxUMS6OgT9Fqz4RqaQorSlzgxYp4/9IHtqVnHo3lHrHCKOhyKsHTnFrBwIl JYaw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkb2yXj/uInhyEk1l8J5O38fLYtYNsD0Gdkddkcmc6TeOUPgWJFJodMToTvioAKNrVe2lK8 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.120.67 with SMTP id c3mr87588377qar.3.1417452400026; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 08:46:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.85.179 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 08:46:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20141201140037.584faf7e@X220.alogt.com> References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> <54791d3a.w/pI0kak03d+3nKC%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141129113405.3d1bd1d6@X220.alogt.com> <54798883.saa13h6lE6rPwZCf%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141130212746.6d5eaf1f@X220.alogt.com> <547bd5bd.dKE49fHIj28ERZyT%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141201140037.584faf7e@X220.alogt.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 11:46:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD From: Alejandro Imass To: Erich Dollansky Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: kudzu@tenebras.com, Perry Hutchison , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 16:46:47 -0000 On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 1:00 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > How do you do a DC-DC regulation without high losses? > > The best known way is going via AC to reduce the losses. The moment you > Switching / PWM regulation is technically not the same as AC. DC can be regulated with Switching/PWM more efficiently than AC with transformers; this is essentially what switching power supplies do. But is _a lot_ more complex so it's currently not practical for electrical grid applications. > are at AC, the rest does not matter anymore. You can now use standard > AC voltages with standard AC - DC converters to minimise cost. The cost > include here also the operating cost. > AC and DC each have their advantages and disadvantages and applications. AC is currently more versatile for power grids (generation, transmission, distribution) as it can be transformed much simpler, and it is definitively more reliable because an AC system has fewer parts than a DC one, at least with the technology we have today. AC has several drawbacks like the skin effect, capacitance problems, synchronicity (current and voltage becoming out of phase given different load conditions and types), losses to heat in transformers, etc. but these challenges are easily (and cheaply) mitigated by different techniques, and although it's not perfect it's still much cheaper, practical and much more reliable than DC grids. Nevertheless, DC is in fact used in _some_ transmission applications, particularly very long distance transmission applications and a few others. Would all-DC grids be more efficient? probably so, but are currently impractical with the technology we have today. Perhaps as new technologies become available (super conductors?) DC could become more prevalent. Back to the issue of using all-DC UPS _seems_ to make a lot of sense at first glance, I believe someone already mentioned that telephone system do exactly this, BUT.... The power consumption of a distributed telephone system is much less than modern computing applications so at high power you would still need to employ high voltage to decrease loss in the distribution, or you would need to employ ridiculously large conductor bars to be able to distribute low-voltage DC even in the most modest data center, so it's really not practical, cost-effective or reliable. So even though current UPS design seems stupid (transform AC to DC and then DC back to AC) is really much more practical in larger scales. Take for example a modern "efficient" bitcoin miner which consumes 1.4kWh @ 2THs. At 120V this is around 11A which requires at least 14 gauge wire. At 240V this is around 5-6A which can use regular 16 or even 18 gauge without even warming it. Suppose we would use a 5VDC distribution in the data center, that would mean 280A continuous __per miner__ and that is a pretty thick and expensive wire. So for practical reasons you need to step-up and then step-down the voltage in order to be economically viable (or even physically viable just in terms of conductor size). Stepping up and down is much more practical and cheaper (not necessarily more efficient) with AC transformers, so the DC conversion needs to be done close to the CPU. Another solution would be for CPUs to use high voltage to begin with, but this would make them inviable because of the heat density, that's why VCC in CPUs has been dropping over the years to about 3V and even 1.8V nowadays. BTW, both heat density and miniaturization are reaching their limits in silicon-based semiconductors. I believe the minimum is around 50 atoms for a transistor junction to work and I think we are pretty close to that limit, so Moore's law has an actual limit for transistor-based computers. Anyway, the point is that with the technology we have today, AC is still more practical for electrical power distribution. Maybe as new technologies come along DC or even wireless power grids will become more prevalent, but not for a long time. Best, Alejandro Imass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 17:36:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75677D9B for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 17:36:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-x229.google.com (mail-vc0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c03::229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D31FD63 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 17:36:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id hy10so5003700vcb.0 for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 09:36:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4zzb0w2peYr/Yy6iB7HOA2b4/KiwfFBsJo7BaKDFsDU=; b=dMwWvP2AU6kUlIW51Cy8oXb+vXVb6TaATAk1Nlz8JhwiXoLGYIMr7aC5uz55CY8RSw MFyvRB8qGPzd+cIRXnsiLKb8YhSUfM4rwrsUs3bPHm1q0ZouA6KxK6NCo5Bv7eJVMfLm kqDBH/3CNa7Fpo/aIyc5b/hMa6QzG77d3F8NIY27n6nA26OvnNDo3KhCUKZi2n8NGjin NlhwtLR7L6wQWrRJTNDCzKaCR6UfzBbVE6oUNNGsFJ7p+4vB1dbjRtSzPyo9ATAomwX1 YVUkn2g9fPePKQ7c8xx9DiLr646kW2P8ZuzM1JhAn953AH2dSXwwj4e5jxLjWpebtUqf CCkg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.53.13.204 with SMTP id fa12mr13182806vdd.16.1417455405215; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 09:36:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.244.99 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 09:36:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 20:36:45 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Gnome3 no animation From: Pavel Timofeev To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 17:36:46 -0000 Hmm, something is wrong anyway. pkg-message gives some advice: root@timbsd:~ # pkg info -D gnome-shell gnome-shell-3.14.1.5: Gnome-shell requires acceleration of to work. For this a nvidia card with the nvidia-driver, or a Intel/ATI KMS enabled card is needed. For the nvidia users no other changes are needed. For Intel/ATI KMS driver the user needs to have read/write permissions on /dev/dri/cardN (usually N=0). If gnome-shell is launched from gdm, the gdm user also needs this access. Access can be granted by adding the user(s) to the wheel group or using a devfs.rules(5) to change the mode of the /dev/dri/card0 on creation. add path 'dri/*' mode 0666 group operator But the way with devfs.rules doesn't work. root@timbsd:~ # cat /etc/devfs.rules [localrules=10] add path 'dri/*' mode 0666 group operator root@timbsd:~ # fgrep devfs /etc/rc.conf devfs_system_ruleset="localrules" root@timbsd:~ # ls -l /dev/dri/card0 crw-rw---- 1 root operator 0xa7 Dec 1 20:31 /dev/dri/card0 After reboot it sets group, but not permissions. Only after manual restart of devfs it gives needed permissions. Any ideas? 2014-12-01 18:05 GMT+03:00 Pavel Timofeev : > Wow, x11/gnome-shell pkg-message helped me! > Sorry for the noise! > > 2014-12-01 16:34 GMT+03:00 Pavel Timofeev : >> Hi! >> I've installed x11/gnome3 on my fresh FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE amd64. >> It's great, thank to freebsd-gnome team! >> >> But I can't see any animations. I can't see even an option to turn it on. >> As I know my hardware (ASUS P8B75-M + i3-2120) is enough for it. >> >> Here is my Xorg.0.log >> http://pastebin.com/V0965HyB >> >> Can someone help me, please? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 17:39:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E97EEE55 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 17:39:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qa0-f49.google.com (mail-qa0-f49.google.com [209.85.216.49]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AEAEED8E for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 17:39:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f49.google.com with SMTP id s7so7374459qap.8 for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 09:39:24 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Ej2UUZsCt0d6e8e1p8MG0K1bkhLuVIZi5oJJxtpFvE4=; b=Y/1NHr1Ag1Kp8Lz6BrLJZHL4xAQVMj3yjYbRFMTGjHVUPvRm2MiXXbR+Dvcr+3ccRQ FnYiC/BIlosFDlQ5asZDUx3xsgWLLeNreWYX5mhVUIuuZZ1TdfoPrBH8nD2ArGraFLic /RIfHzEOGLbqw+kZqWlyFjR3FBinEJCzteRC5lgVZaxSlj8Ht/cEY3b9Hc5w6KjxC8fy vUAf47phkvL7SH6xXh8wbxGhs4QN2Ga1PuZZw2pekTlCjswpnurUr7QEctb8kLKKW2ST 6LBfzT0o4wxkRbfcQVIErj1PDTP/ZeimhSn/gq4DVHdPTg8ORYuvEA7JQSTHT42+vbPj ALlw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkHKD/9EmTW5bfrLPOuYrg6qNb/fHZNO2h00gAGGs0rfmfN9OmpZ5ih2PHs6ED3te8CTEzu MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.38.5 with SMTP id z5mr88211992qad.89.1417455564234; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 09:39:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.85.179 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 09:39:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <547AAC20.1050006@tridentusa.com> References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <54789AF3.7090100@yahoo.com> <547AAC20.1050006@tridentusa.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 12:39:24 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: UPS for FreeBSD From: Alejandro Imass To: John Johnstone Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 17:39:31 -0000 On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 12:33 AM, John Johnstone wrote: > I agree this thread is extremely long so I'll consolidate. > > > [...] > As far as "simulated" being a bad thing, by definition all UPS's have to > simulate a sine wave once the AC power goes away. It is just a question of > how close an approximation is it. There's no question that a 60 Hz square > wave would be a poor approximation. > > Why do switching power supplies really care about the input wave form? Most switching power supplies rectify with a full bridge and capacitors and then switch from that rectified DC so why would it care about the incoming waveform? So long as it's oscillating, square, sine or triangular should work just the same. I think HF components would get filtered by design in the first few stages of the switching PS so I don't understand why pure, or close to pure sine wave is really important. What components are really at risk from poor sine-wave inverter? Besides, UPS are designed to power the equipment for a short period (either to shut-down or activate a backup generator), so in reality there is that much more risk by using a cheaper UPS? IS the price difference really worth it? Or is it all technical mumbo-jumbo to charge a lot more for "pure sine wave", which honestly does NOT need sophisticated components like someone said. It can be accomplished with a simple saw-tooth (with 2 OP-Amps one as integrator and another one as comparator) and a low-pass filter (a coil of wire). Inverter circuitry is really not that complex and good sine-wave approximations are not that hard to do. I am pretty sure a typical switching PS will do just fine if you feed the square wave or an unfiltered saw-tooth sine wave into it. Anyway just MHO. 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[99.97.90.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id j1sm18143245qao.38.2014.12.01.11.13.52 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 01 Dec 2014 11:13:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <547CBDEF.70002@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 14:13:51 -0500 From: Paul Cartwright Reply-To: pbcartwright@gmail.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: $DISPLAY not set References: <547CB283.1030405@gmail.com> <44wq6bkyag.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> In-Reply-To: <44wq6bkyag.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: current@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 19:13:54 -0000 On 12/01/2014 01:41 PM, Lowell Gilbert wrote: >> > am I missing something? > Well, you're missing the FreeBSD documentation, which is a lot better > than a random Google result. > > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11.html right, I should have followed that first.. > > Or you might want to try PCBSD (www.pcbsd.org) which will require a lot > less understanding of what is going on (at the cost, as usual, of giving > you a lot less choice, at least initially). no,no, I've used UNIX in the past, but it has been linux for the last 10 years.. just a little rusty.. > > The "exec startkde" is supposed to go in your .xinitrc file, in which > case you would start X with the "startx" command. right, I understand the .xinitrc, but I wanted it to work first.. > >> > I do have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf, I did do the X -configure. > Usually unnecessary, and not a great idea unless it is necessary. > > ok, I'll check out the freebsd pages, and I'll let you know. thanks! -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux User #367800 and new counter #561587 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 19:42:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFBD07A6 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 19:42:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9768CD7E for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 19:42:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.41]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7764C33C24; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 14:42:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 710FF39813; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 14:42:11 -0500 (EST) From: Lowell Gilbert To: Paul Cartwright Subject: Re: $DISPLAY not set References: <547CB283.1030405@gmail.com> <44wq6bkyag.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <547CBDEF.70002@gmail.com> Reply-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 14:42:11 -0500 In-Reply-To: <547CBDEF.70002@gmail.com> (Paul Cartwright's message of "Mon, 01 Dec 2014 14:13:51 -0500") Message-ID: <44lhmrw418.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 19:42:19 -0000 Paul Cartwright writes: > On 12/01/2014 01:41 PM, Lowell Gilbert wrote: >>> > am I missing something? >> Well, you're missing the FreeBSD documentation, which is a lot better >> than a random Google result. >> >> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11.html > right, I should have followed that first.. >> >> Or you might want to try PCBSD (www.pcbsd.org) which will require a lot >> less understanding of what is going on (at the cost, as usual, of giving >> you a lot less choice, at least initially). > no,no, I've used UNIX in the past, but it has been linux for the last 10 > years.. just a little rusty.. starting an X server (in all of the massive variety of way you can do that) is pretty much *exactly* the same on Linux as on FreeBSD. >> The "exec startkde" is supposed to go in your .xinitrc file, in which >> case you would start X with the "startx" command. > right, I understand the .xinitrc, but I wanted it to work first.. You don't understand the .xinitrc, then. It isn't going to start an X server for you -- it's supposed to be run *under* the X server. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 19:51:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4537DAD0 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 19:51:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dorsai-02.celestial.com (dorsai-02.celestial.com [192.136.111.19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E688E79 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 19:51:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dorsai-02.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B799120C8156 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 11:48:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at celestial.com Received: from dorsai-02.celestial.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dorsai-02.celestial.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id Qg4DxHvua+jG for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 11:48:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ayn.mi.celestial.com (hayek.celestial.com [192.136.111.12]) by dorsai-02.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF5320C8155 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 11:48:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ayn.mi.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1943444F9332; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 11:46:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mi.celestial.com Received: from ayn.mi.celestial.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ayn.mi.celestial.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 7oFWXtRshWeT; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 11:46:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by ayn.mi.celestial.com (Postfix, from userid 203) id 044E344F9331; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 11:46:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 11:46:52 -0800 From: Bill Campbell To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: suggestion for an all-in-one with multi page scanner Message-ID: <20141201194652.GA3295@ayn.mi.celestial.com> Reply-To: freebsd@celestial.com Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 OpenPKG/CURRENT (2009-01-05) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 19:51:43 -0000 On Sun, Nov 30, 2014, Luca Ferrari wrote: >Hi all, >Christmas is approaching and I'd like a suggestion for an all-in-one >device with multipage scanner. In particular I'm interested in the >printer and scanner, I don't need the fax device. And of course it is >supposed to fully work with FreeBSD. I have a Ricoh Aficio SP C242 sf color laser which works pretty well. Toner costs is about 1/3 that of my HP CP2024dn. The ADF works nicely when configured to send scans to a server via ftp. The biggest problem is that VueScan doesn't support it directly, but requires TWAIN drivers which are a bit slow as then need to search for the scanner every time it hits the scanner to preview or scan. The Epson WorkForce units work very nicely, and are considerably less expensive than the Ricoh. The 3840 has duplex scanning and printing, and works nicely with VueScan. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@celestial.com Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. 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[99.97.90.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id l11sm18290389qaj.23.2014.12.01.12.09.01 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 01 Dec 2014 12:09:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <547CCADC.7000502@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 15:09:00 -0500 From: Paul Cartwright Reply-To: pbcartwright@gmail.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: $DISPLAY not set References: <547CB283.1030405@gmail.com> <44wq6bkyag.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <547CBDEF.70002@gmail.com> <44lhmrw418.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> In-Reply-To: <44lhmrw418.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 20:09:04 -0000 On 12/01/2014 02:42 PM, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > > starting an X server (in all of the massive variety of way you can do > that) is pretty much *exactly* the same on Linux as on FreeBSD. right, configure X and run startx once I read the handbook, startx worked and I had a minimal Xwindows running. startkde still does work, no $DISPLAY >>> The "exec startkde" is supposed to go in your .xinitrc file, in which >>> case you would start X with the "startx" command. >> right, I understand the .xinitrc, but I wanted it to work first.. > You don't understand the .xinitrc, then. It isn't going to start an X > server for you -- it's supposed to be run *under* the X server. ooh, so I put exec startkde in .xinitrc then run startx.. now THAT worked! added the .xinitrc for startkde, then ran startx. I now have a KDE session! I really wanted MATE, but I'll work on that. I am getting closer! -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux User #367800 and new counter #561587 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 22:50:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 005F2E2A for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 22:50:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www5.pairlite.com (www5.pairlite.com [64.130.10.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D39AF35C for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 22:50:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from whisperer.chthonixia.net (cpe-68-173-130-133.nyc.res.rr.com [68.173.130.133]) by www5.pairlite.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BC5572E2BD for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 17:42:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 17:43:44 -0500 From: Joe Altman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Moving to 9.3 to 10: kernel config issues: atadisk & atapicam and vt & vt_vga Message-ID: <20141201224344.GA57769@whisperer.chthonixia.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 22:50:31 -0000 Greetings, listmembers... I am upgrading from 9.3-RELEASE-p5 FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p5 #0 r274452 to releng/10. World builds fine; but kernel build halts with this error: config: Error: device "atadisk" is unknown config: Error: device "atapicam" is unknown config: Error: device "vt" is unknown config: Error: device "vt_vga" is unknown config: 4 errors *** [buildkernel] Error code 1 bmake: stopped in /usr/src 1 error bmake: stopped in /usr/src *** [buildkernel] Error code 2 1 error For the first two (atadisk and atapicam), it seems that ahci will be the replacement. But I am concerned about using ahci and whether or not my fstab needs to be altered; here is its current form: # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# /dev/ad4s1b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/ad4s1a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/ad4s1e /tmp ufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad4s1g /usr ufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad4s1h /usr/home ufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad4s1d /var ufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad4s1f /var/tmp ufs rw 2 2 /dev/acd0 /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 fdesc /dev/fd fdescfs rw 0 0 Is there and FAQ or similar for me to read about these? Thank you for any assistance, and best regards, Joe From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 23:22:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F216A4C6 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 23:22:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from shell1.rawbw.com (shell1.rawbw.com [198.144.192.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3CAB93D for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 23:22:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.yuri.org (c-73-162-232-245.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [73.162.232.245]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell1.rawbw.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sB1NMPoA000625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 15:22:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) X-Authentication-Warning: shell1.rawbw.com: Host c-73-162-232-245.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [73.162.232.245] claimed to be eagle.yuri.org Message-ID: <547CF830.5000907@rawbw.com> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 15:22:24 -0800 From: Yuri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Shell question: how to preserve newlines when process output is assigned to variable? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 23:22:27 -0000 When script has the line like this: VAR=$(ls) all newlines returned by the process (ls) are removed. I know shell variables can hold newlines in them when assigned inside the script. Just in this case, when the process output is assigned, they are stripped. Any way to keep newlines? Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 23:23:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A0DD955E for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 23:23:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6400A94B for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 23:23:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-18-117.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.18.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B74F92763B; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 00:22:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id sB1NMwRH002978; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 00:22:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 00:22:58 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Joe Altman Subject: Re: Moving to 9.3 to 10: kernel config issues: atadisk & atapicam and vt & vt_vga Message-Id: <20141202002258.2c61758e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20141201224344.GA57769@whisperer.chthonixia.net> References: <20141201224344.GA57769@whisperer.chthonixia.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 23:23:07 -0000 On Mon, 1 Dec 2014 17:43:44 -0500, Joe Altman wrote: > For the first two (atadisk and atapicam), it seems that ahci will be the > replacement. Yes. Disks known as "ad" will probably show up as "ada" (typically SATA disks) or "da" (typically SCSI disks and any other media, such as USB). I currently don't have access to a v10 system with (P)ATA disks to check for the remaining case. :-) > But I am concerned about using ahci and whether or not my > fstab needs to be altered; here is its current form: > > # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# > /dev/ad4s1b none swap sw 0 0 > /dev/ad4s1a / ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/ad4s1e /tmp ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad4s1g /usr ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad4s1h /usr/home ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad4s1d /var ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad4s1f /var/tmp ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/acd0 /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 > fdesc /dev/fd fdescfs rw 0 0 Instead of relying on disk devices, I suggest you simply apply a label for each partition, so you can refer to the labels. Also note that /dev/acd0 will be gone, and /dev/cd0 will have to be used instead (generic "SCSI access" to optical drives). I assume you're using SATA disks, and ad4 is such a disk - then you'll have to change it to /dev/ada0, but check the "dmesg" and "camcontrol devlist" output. Here are a few resources that will surely be helpful: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/disks-adding.html http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/geom-glabel.html https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/disks.html -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 23:41:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7502D9B6 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 23:41:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm12-vm6.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm12-vm6.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C64EEB5C for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 23:41:33 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1417477291; bh=4NWZOViaZSEjSmD7/yuCjeVo0As5U7k/SRm4JkdXn4Q=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=XkocFM3dwI/3CX6hj6Us06x17a3qWx06ZjtzwNXTCg39GthNegbL8WYKr4+u/dk+YqFWmec0TpFzwrmQJfOUyoDsp/GmidWGRGTFUityz5t+TIkxvxlPJ24IIYBPyz8e5agSTr/Cz4vWz21oC35hk/U6J7Of8HuNKlFSUW/b5HY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rocketmail.com; b=KbRed6nirB9xGHmMdeBRY/0G256LkBqFaCDuOjLgiWTEWrzeHWMzn0Ine48kIAjVsdoto7ELy5eKiw7IC0teqOAfIQB/2QoASxbaq9XSItKDhzULgl+qDcBm/c8O2GArDjFBOdXVocsM0xnWu2/wQXyOTeYt0GwZ2U7OGyAHxl8=; Received: from [212.82.98.125] by nm12.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2014 23:41:31 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.78] by tm18.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2014 23:41:30 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp115.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2014 23:41:30 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 979015.21838.bm@smtp115.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 1aYu.04VM1kUaJKU8UDuiWXk1PWgGxAxQ4O1.YssX5T39NJ 4fMn5mTbmOJl1rG0Z.NE02.xWJijZ81FsXElTXm1hW8h173wsVm579496ALk E9D668IatiKINfeugOCUjglbz0Pj2q2Xp72rkvYQIC4lyt2dnanAXOGhghAN Y6qd6kNr4_vVcbR6jtSpcd5umd3y8m4cyDfYAWj_dg9_dAs1J8LXLUbfdIyk PSNxGvOr2HOqMetPE_hnAWTB2IEWd89UDfvrGE.3Ni_Ljfz9USPnmcU_q_lT 0bnEeKOCWQTA6ds0SAxCnuKJTURp2JrAc5T4.gTrWVA9IAkYTbzip2lutAwz lFWvmr9pPiHGw9hS5CLDmFhpEWHg6y.GkI2uZwQ81gNaCVZoD05k8s9LLDdr a9rBZ_PDIpuejHr6PsPsRdYFGLLVg8z5qFBW5K.dHql_g0YA1pUbLSpDcwqn p0xWbK3KOhm10ulNWYbTrlB01xG.5x8Crjs1eSUF9pMHk1tByUShOjR3HdHF geRp7fP8ysjIjcbMioChOxMynOHSK.jmTSdE.GIEvgtvNkvxwaVDZ2jSsM9O Bi8Yc X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 00:41:29 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Shell question: how to preserve newlines when process output is assigned to variable? Message-ID: <20141202004129.0c489bf3@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <547CF830.5000907@rawbw.com> References: <547CF830.5000907@rawbw.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1-35-ga8df3ae (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 23:41:34 -0000 On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 15:22:24 -0800 Yuri wrote: > > When script has the line like this: > VAR=$(ls) > all newlines returned by the process (ls) are removed. > > I know shell variables can hold newlines in them when assigned inside > the script. Just in this case, when the process output is assigned, > they are stripped. > > Any way to keep newlines? For Linux bash it does work like this: [rocketmouse@archlinux Desktop]$ ls bar foo [rocketmouse@archlinux Desktop]$ VAR=$(ls) ; echo $VAR bar foo [rocketmouse@archlinux Desktop]$ VAR=$(ls) ; echo "$VAR" bar foo [rocketmouse@archlinux Desktop]$ ls -hAl total 0 -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Dec 2 00:36 bar -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Dec 2 00:36 foo [rocketmouse@archlinux Desktop]$ VAR=$(ls -hAl) ; echo $VAR total 0 -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Dec 2 00:36 bar -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Dec 2 00:36 foo [rocketmouse@archlinux Desktop]$ VAR=$(ls -hAl) ; echo "$VAR" total 0 -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Dec 2 00:36 bar -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Dec 2 00:36 foo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 23:50:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 66DC8AD6 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 23:50:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EBC2BB8 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 23:50:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.41]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45AA833C1D; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 18:50:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 851B239813; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 18:50:10 -0500 (EST) From: Lowell Gilbert To: Yuri Subject: Re: Shell question: how to preserve newlines when process output is assigned to variable? References: <547CF830.5000907@rawbw.com> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 18:50:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: <547CF830.5000907@rawbw.com> (yuri@rawbw.com's message of "Mon, 01 Dec 2014 15:22:24 -0800") Message-ID: <4461dvvsjx.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 23:50:19 -0000 Yuri writes: > When script has the line like this: > VAR=$(ls) > all newlines returned by the process (ls) are removed. I don't think so. If you process the variable's contents one line at a time, you will get a separate line for each file. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 23:50:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 740ECB70 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 23:50:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 377FEBCB for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 23:50:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-18-117.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.18.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 10D242763B; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 00:50:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id sB1NoseA003116; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 00:50:55 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 00:50:54 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Yuri Subject: Re: Shell question: how to preserve newlines when process output is assigned to variable? Message-Id: <20141202005054.fd5729f2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <547CF830.5000907@rawbw.com> References: <547CF830.5000907@rawbw.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 23:50:58 -0000 On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 15:22:24 -0800, Yuri wrote: > > When script has the line like this: > VAR=$(ls) > all newlines returned by the process (ls) are removed. > > I know shell variables can hold newlines in them when assigned inside > the script. Just in this case, when the process output is assigned, they > are stripped. > > Any way to keep newlines? Yes: You simply have to use proper quoting: VAR=$(ls) echo "$VAR" The newlines will now be displayed correctly. Similarly, you use "$VAR" for further processing. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 23:59:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D067BCC9 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 23:59:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qa0-x233.google.com (mail-qa0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 845F7CAD for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 23:59:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id k15so7902711qaq.24 for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 15:59:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsd.com.br; s=capeta; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :organization:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ekBbfeu0rzIRWq5chggTOGnOD9srasEJZBo7SCITIts=; b=IAmfJ+4ZwcTzvv1bs5NE25SgpQ4B1eeM8lVurQx6o3ML5H/iYrZKITVFDtZV5+xP08 vby7FkgYtkFcZkKyB8eDrZk1jdBmTtuB4/Tv3czwCNsgwx+H3TpwVfBD9nblW4DV5KdC RXHAf17DQmweQ+Da2Fb0WzZCibXzTgFjTv1f4= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:organization:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ekBbfeu0rzIRWq5chggTOGnOD9srasEJZBo7SCITIts=; b=NldHDtUZZK1nUhOkWp6ui+StHkFpadpTETsBkJ/9NGuZz87xVkDO7ZcjD2XL2ikMBY eMS5lwTJ1FXxBZxAhSSnUhMoJlGs/n9d0YFY/cNH7lgBVsyjtJno8g8+x7JEMDl6XOjA ga9gzPK147fBd7Sxodlp+eUj3G7t/5bZP2Fi4/RwWNCgpngdkPwCHglxjyTUgMLpqSfu gDuGa6whSt51NS7fJUetEfCABbpjO29XFbagaIYXTMrXqcjMtWuA98Spa3Q+0emyS6Bt SV0o47DrVKLVFuShBmNya8Jxgu27YEFWuuvfPiCjQycv+uciztDwqnz8K3iQU/HHZ4KZ 8fvg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkiHZf9q6vlJezrMTxF97dA3NwIBQdsepoW9RqTAN/WKE8Z3EF2zV8sZcexLbN+rcbUjhPX X-Received: by 10.140.39.201 with SMTP id v67mr88709149qgv.45.1417478376531; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 15:59:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from Papi ([177.43.8.228]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d5sm5838309qai.40.2014.12.01.15.59.35 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 01 Dec 2014 15:59:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 20:57:56 -0300 From: Mario Lobo To: Christian Weisgerber Subject: Re: Second all the authors of references about computers programming, is necessary develop currently in Assembly, Decimal code, Octal code, Hex code, Code that tweaks other code to do bad things which is another form of writing machine code, Binary code, Microcode? Message-ID: <20141201205756.3169e8a0@Papi> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: BSD X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.10.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 23:59:37 -0000 On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 21:46:20 +0000 (UTC) Christian Weisgerber wrote: > On 2014-11-29, fran=C3=A7ai s wrote: >=20 > > Second all the authors of references about computers programming, is > ^^^^^^ > > necessary develop currently in: >=20 > Ah, Portuguese. > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/segundo#Portuguese >=20 Good catch ! lol :) --=20 Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) =20 "UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things,=20 because that would also stop you from doing clever things." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 2 02:03:00 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3B36397 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 02:03:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3EA97BC7 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 02:02:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-18-117.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.18.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD76D276AA; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 03:02:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id sB222vut004043; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 03:02:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 03:02:57 +0100 From: Polytropon To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?fran=E7ai?= s Subject: Re: Second all the authors of references about computers programming, is necessary develop currently in Assembly, Decimal code, Octal code, Hex code, Code that tweaks other code to do bad things which is another form of writing machine code, Binary code, Microcode? Message-Id: <20141202030257.ec360c38.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 02:03:00 -0000 On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 12:56:24 -0200, fran=E7ai s wrote: > Second all the authors of references about computers programming, is > necessary develop currently in: >=20 > Assembly?; Yes, it's very handy for implementing platform-specific parts on a low level, for example hardware drivers. Assembly is "verbose enough" as it uses mnemonics instead of raw binary code, and code can even be kind of structured, depending on what assember you're using. A major requirement is that you know about the inner workings of the parts you're dealing with. This offers the opportunity to write very efficient code for things where this matters. > KERMIT?; >=20 > Kermit is a file transfer program written entirely in assembler on many > platforms for speed. Kermit is quite large and sophisticated, which was a > barrier to entry back in the day before the internet and most > communications protocols were standardized. To ease the transition, and > taking advantage of the .COM format in DOS, kermit came with a bootstrap > program that was made up entirely of printable characters so that one cou= ld > easily type it in (well, not so easily, but it was possible since it was > only maybe a hundred or two bytes long). The authors of this program had = to > learn which assembler op codes and addressing modes lead to printable > characters and write their code accordingly. Not exactly programming > directly in machine code, but very close. It was really quite an impressi= ve > bootstrap technique. Interesting example for what I said above. :-) > Decimal code?; YOu usually don't write _programs_ in decimal code, you write _data_ represented in decimal, when it applies. > Octal code?; Same as above. > Hex code?; Also same as above. Hexadecimal code is a very close representation of what's in memory and registers, so it's quite handy for dealing with data and instructions located there. > Code that tweaks other code to do bad things which is another form of > writing machine code?; Self-modifying programs have a certain tradition. It's probably "historic" today, but I can imagine that especially in the malware sector self-modifying programs are a very useful tool. > Binary code?; Very few people program in _actual_ binary code. In most cases, a decimal, hexadecimal (or really binary) representation is being used. This can be handy for dealing with CPU or hardware features. > Microcode? Microcode and firmware extends my statements about assembly language and binary code. > Comparing the responses of all the authors of references about computers > programming about all the levels of computers programming that I quoted > above, exist different opinions? Of course there are different opinions. Some people would love to write operating systems and device drivers in Javascript, others would suggest to use type-safe languages for everything low-level, and so on. You can fill the whole Internet with opinions and related discussions. :-) --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 2 02:39:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2AFEB56 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 02:39:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B72CAE60 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 02:39:08 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=Dto0e3qqpMJ4v3oxKYIDX1RhTr/E9MlPmce5GDo/wiQ=; b=WaDCuinbFKkWbRwRHKhaXrnueb52YBLfaq9SNXoEjtkPo1t/Ywm7d83sadyjUhH9zxRevuTnwGncvJANCR9UjthYq8VLGiiwzspmd9tOaqu1EL5a9b+sFFvC8PoXgVScKumKD7R1rLcEA++U25D6Sy4s2K5KP2hHG9XDxX0s2+0=; Received: from [114.121.160.169] (port=3138 helo=X220.alogt.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1XvdMd-004533-6L; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 19:38:56 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 10:38:47 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: Alejandro Imass Subject: Re: UPS for FreeBSD Message-ID: <20141202103847.564806a2@X220.alogt.com> In-Reply-To: References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <54789AF3.7090100@yahoo.com> <547AAC20.1050006@tridentusa.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: John Johnstone , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 02:39:09 -0000 Hi, On Mon, 1 Dec 2014 12:39:24 -0500 Alejandro Imass wrote: > On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 12:33 AM, John Johnstone > wrote: > > Why do switching power supplies really care about the input wave > form? Most switching power supplies rectify with a full bridge and > capacitors and then switch from that rectified DC so why would it > care about the incoming waveform? So long as it's oscillating, > square, sine or triangular should work just the same. > the average volage over a square is much higher than over a sine. If the components are not designed for this, they will fail. You can see this effect by connecting a light bulb to an UPS and switch mains off an on again. The smaller the difference in brightness gets, the better the UPS emulates a sine. Of course, the life time of the light bulb gets reduced. > I think HF components would get filtered by design in the first few > stages of the switching PS so I don't understand why pure, or close > to pure sine wave is really important. What components are really at > risk from poor sine-wave inverter? Besides, UPS are designed to power > the equipment for a short period (either to shut-down or activate a > backup generator), so in reality there is that much more risk by > using a cheaper UPS? IS the price difference really worth it? > This is the question. Most power supplies will be able to handle the square waveform. Escpecially modern power supplies being able to handle any voltage from 100 to 250V. > Or is it all technical mumbo-jumbo to charge a lot more for "pure sine > wave", which honestly does NOT need sophisticated components like > someone said. It can be accomplished with a simple saw-tooth (with 2 > OP-Amps one as integrator and another one as comparator) and a > low-pass filter (a coil of wire). Inverter circuitry is really not > that complex and good sine-wave approximations are not that hard to > do. I am pretty sure a typical switching PS will do just fine if you > feed the square wave or an unfiltered saw-tooth sine wave into it. > It is the volume. When the cheaper UPSes appeared, their price advantage was pretty minor. I wonder meanwhile if it is not cheaper to use an inverter used in solar panel installations. At least for larger inverters, they have a clear price advantage but require batteries which are not available at the next corner shop. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 2 05:27:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46895EBB for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 05:27:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qg0-f43.google.com (mail-qg0-f43.google.com [209.85.192.43]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 01FD2BF for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 05:27:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qg0-f43.google.com with SMTP id q108so8732810qgd.16 for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 21:27:43 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=7rIRWDyGmxIR5gwBSv8724syd4fxu4hfKaqmPDh1JjM=; b=Hcltd0E7OkqCTDPOBqMsIOrRAVUUp2klrW4JC9j7AYoZlIhs5wjb05fQdcfEowYBge GvTXV0J6TM8dHNnTiTdMSBRwL4esvChXblMLxk2sfYPLtKXCjs1iKUxPIonLT3yQeq+n O1SnxzqQ5zuxj9FC/okbQfxN3m6AT883pTOQXgTNzJA5LGIRlyuMZGK5/g+1GmuwfvxH eGUfe+PjTzg0BR7H/MeHmgdC/4MheynGNQnc+v9FUc8/iEMKdUYF6UeEgU1sqCdViVew wvZ8j4IQdu3+9ECrKTfWoj8rtmLbLiBF9VmkrJMDaMp3dADJJpR/SIsEX4RNGEqeXWSO CNWQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmrVrSdnIT3fsHFiXNHjINWe19tVBWROiJ50a0mO5x1OR/Ho7slES1B0199NBfC5FzFI5Hg MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.102.116 with SMTP id v107mr89735022qge.68.1417492018716; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 19:46:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.85.179 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 19:46:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20141202103847.564806a2@X220.alogt.com> References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <54789AF3.7090100@yahoo.com> <547AAC20.1050006@tridentusa.com> <20141202103847.564806a2@X220.alogt.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 22:46:58 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: UPS for FreeBSD From: Alejandro Imass To: Erich Dollansky Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: John Johnstone , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 05:27:45 -0000 On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, 1 Dec 2014 12:39:24 -0500 > Alejandro Imass wrote: > > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 12:33 AM, John Johnstone > > wrote: > > > > [...] > the average volage over a square is much higher than over a sine. If > the components are not designed for this, they will fail. You can see > this effect by connecting a light bulb to an UPS and switch mains off > an on again. The smaller the difference in brightness gets, the better > the UPS emulates a sine. Of course, the life time of the light bulb > gets reduced. > > Should not be a problem for any modern switching power supply. In fact the higher the RMS the more efficient it will operate. The RMS of the sine x/SQRT(2) of a square wave is just x, where x is the peak to peak voltage. The peak to peak of 120V is around 170V which is just fine for most switching power supplies which are rated for about 250V RMS. It _could_ be a bit of a problem is the UPS is for 240V but I have never personally seen one in a North American store. Besides any 240V UPS manufacturer would have to know this and honestly I don't really think that any UPS uses a square wave. I will be sure to test this with an oscilloscope when I finally buy the UPS that started this thread - I promise I will buy the cheapest one I find and post pictures of the output waveform ;-) [...] > This is the question. Most power supplies will be able to handle the > square waveform. Escpecially modern power supplies being able to handle > any voltage from 100 to 250V. > > Actually I was referring to another comment that suggested that HF harmonics from saw-tooth emulation or square wave "ring" could somehow affect the switching PS of a typical computer. I think this is unlikely because it will get filtered by the first rectification circuitry of the switching power supply (I am no expert and could be wrong and maybe some switching PS would be sensitive to this, but I really doubt it). HF does affect some transformers and linear equipment and still is very unlikely. [..] > It is the volume. When the cheaper UPSes appeared, their price > advantage was pretty minor. > > I wonder meanwhile if it is not cheaper to use an inverter used in > solar panel installations. At least for larger inverters, they have a > clear price advantage but require batteries which are not available at > the next corner shop. > The problem I think is the switch-over speed. It would be really cool to find UPS that use *any* external battery, and you could just use a car battery for example which is very reliable, durable and readily available. Best, -- Alejandro Imass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 2 08:22:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B2152C1 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 08:22:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 24144355 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 08:22:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id sB28Lt4j094113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 2 Dec 2014 00:21:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.14.2/Submit) with UUCP id sB28LtqS094112; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 00:21:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from fbsd81 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA09137; Tue, 2 Dec 14 00:13:43 PST Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 00:13:40 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) To: aimass@yabarana.com Subject: Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD Message-Id: <547d74b4.qPmD4NU27Cup8Ccm%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> <54791d3a.w/pI0kak03d+3nKC%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141129113405.3d1bd1d6@X220.alogt.com> <54798883.saa13h6lE6rPwZCf%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141130212746.6d5eaf1f@X220.alogt.com> <547bd5bd.dKE49fHIj28ERZyT%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141201140037.584faf7e@X220.alogt.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com, kudzu@tenebras.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 08:22:01 -0000 Alejandro Imass wrote: > ... at high power you would still need to employ high voltage to > decrease loss in the distribution, or you would need to employ > ridiculously large conductor bars to be able to distribute > low-voltage DC even in the most modest data center ... Oh, for Pete's sake! What part of "integrate a UPS with the PSU" (http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2014-November/262603.html) is so hard to understand? I'm proposing that the individual PSUs be designed in such a way that a battery or two can be connected into each PSU, between the rectifier and the regulator. The cables between the PSU and its batteries would be maybe a foot long (if the batteries are mounted adjacent to the server, say in the next rack slot above or below) -- or up to a couple of meters long if all the batteries were housed in the bottom part of the rack with all the servers above -- and the conductors would not need to be much (if any) heavier than those connecting the regulator outputs to the circuit boards. Of course, if one insists on serving a whole data center (or even just one full server rack) from a _single_ UPS, that UPS is going to be a massive piece of equipment and the power distribution to its loads is going to require infrastructure commensurate with the amount of power involved. (It's also not all that reliable an arrangement, since the UPS becomes a single point of failure capable of taking down many systems.) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 2 08:47:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35742A23 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 08:47:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm8-vm5.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm8-vm5.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.139]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79D77826 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 08:47:40 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1417510051; bh=Sqq48M6YjSNdkjUgSRtzT55CDjKtRCfBCu5Peo+Soo4=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=04nQ427HEXhGi7mdxvS9xvUysKAthMiWPsmIzAFWtUGP0SqhzAhW1q7s6848kEujtMn7Oc0pr2bkAEZ/xTL2j850gqHCROsyln5OucNletxNyWhFcF5yNstmdeUKoQknlaoYX4XqwAJLEtwBJRlYZ/l+cZBUBl//Y/ByK3hS+Fo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rocketmail.com; b=mqyLTcD9JuV7FXu1lhS6tuE5XuWwknk+DENQK0iQ2KJX0E8hZMj0nGSFfYGzhE7oA1Qa0imfrmEQdvLItdfR+Ajk228GdQs3hSdJgWmtUzJKZfvPyi7nVRYfhXdh+PnifNIzPW/hxw7GTk54ObeFUZUe7/SI15lxEgsuxUZDFjc=; Received: from [212.82.98.61] by nm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2014 08:47:31 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.81] by tm14.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2014 08:47:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp118.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2014 08:47:31 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 584602.58136.bm@smtp118.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: lPvUfgcVM1mojD6wPwpBHSzvYFosOgj_MhUdlNsbMLF3TTh _VYhmCQ6jbVoYHtF.X0SCm9aKuB8.mMrQsbOQTPdXfRFp5qYYzJW81sNL6wM EPtPUr4IgpeszPixJZe2Iy.joSOHtnCa7tQcs_cNVlaurUBmHHx_Miuuao8j MxUgiMyTnb.jj02feSbuSK1euZzAe3p9YEJPSsouU4Qxt1HQUpH7rygJ78yj ADKqywrrMEsC9ahVcjVeklVVzQdRbNofpJSNQUumPx._.ASmetds02Ai.mOL UFxb0yvAhhpGH4BgKV5BkOavuesG24sSTMG.Q3vYVoE0g1q9kV2cIaeWggIN vi3RjU0DDFk5Ot9NTNMLRVanNC9t8ERIkUk3ECAKl7ZveX7cv0ZO.palcfjI gtRvX019RZ4vFV7cMk.9vkLrbM53ORPL43_wj2fgxECMI1ch4vppzxB3E6Jw yLHicko82MtgEY652_PoUTOKJPQo15_lyQTb81.gG5_GVBXuNkQhI2mFSyEN wTppTawwG4KfszWEEqjvAz2K_TlxV5PRdHJvkPGDcr1nuR9raR.2FZTwx3W. brxeKG2rJnWRH7XCmZPx.08i3nltbc8QgSSSleBbqUD2G0YIG7NNDEoPbc.W Ujq.m2AT5xqKV_4omORy3PDpL6RW4o_AvJYo5S3NZ7NKo8Q-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 09:47:31 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD Message-ID: <20141202094731.7fcf1364@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <547d74b4.qPmD4NU27Cup8Ccm%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> <54791d3a.w/pI0kak03d+3nKC%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141129113405.3d1bd1d6@X220.alogt.com> <54798883.saa13h6lE6rPwZCf%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141130212746.6d5eaf1f@X220.alogt.com> <547bd5bd.dKE49fHIj28ERZyT%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141201140037.584faf7e@X220.alogt.com> <547d74b4.qPmD4NU27Cup8Ccm%perryh@pluto.rain.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1-35-ga8df3ae (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 08:47:41 -0000 On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 00:13:40 -0800 perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) wrote: > Alejandro Imass wrote: > > > ... at high power you would still need to employ high voltage to > > decrease loss in the distribution, or you would need to employ > > ridiculously large conductor bars to be able to distribute > > low-voltage DC even in the most modest data center ... > > Oh, for Pete's sake! What part of "integrate a UPS with the PSU" > (http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2014-November/262603.html) > is so hard to understand? As Google does for their "modest" data centers http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2014-November/262602.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 2 09:35:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3B7141F for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 09:35:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-x22b.google.com (mail-pa0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2C01D87 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 09:35:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id kx10so13130287pab.2 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2014 01:35:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qXryBJtoilZWnXvJTPx8atwgcUq48e1tLxwyN1f7K9w=; b=ZAyCSHdgkvcMrM6U98n1pn1+PBECOhSYW6IVDGeJ2cP/5zr54autrKWUQN83VX7S/j KPKCKPAFwlAzecC4VV/+XjdQv13+oMZl7vCfqmn/tl9IW2QXl+szgPd6LyD6cWwwDSVB FFqBT1B7Zpc18g3R4RzethvPDuweyjKwwYSCSKQULjbOqUb0wBO/vLqsSWH+8eoSMGku QlOTypVEfjm2b7WZDdpXX/+KNR4NQIe/1L+EuwdzOAvgDZwfwSauzYfcHsHcfEte+FOE Y8SA0SqmS76JVXsQ0nQTJUjbtqZG5zKgRTEU9Y894novjvckM5amo1DHUvM7rsExqOn9 xuvQ== X-Received: by 10.70.34.162 with SMTP id a2mr108010730pdj.123.1417512943183; Tue, 02 Dec 2014 01:35:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.111.115] ([120.29.118.234]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ae4sm19868673pad.16.2014.12.02.01.35.41 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 02 Dec 2014 01:35:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <547D87F2.6000506@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 17:35:46 +0800 From: Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: firefox bookmarks verifier Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 09:35:44 -0000 Hello list; I have years of saved bookmarks in my firefox browser. 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Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 2 11:14:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62C782FF for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 11:14:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qg0-f42.google.com (mail-qg0-f42.google.com [209.85.192.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 17DE29DE for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 11:14:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qg0-f42.google.com with SMTP id z107so9214438qgd.29 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2014 03:14:27 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=w7cuS2kpVZb2ab80vkohuxhj083gjL+4pRmd60apRaU=; b=Jx0zXUwUc0XcuCjc+nzkZ0CMTyXhXTypQbDO9E/M2J/I6fYqVFesDqBvO1CuGyw0Xs d164DehlXz4fwtPxkxaoy+HSCDuBZfNY6uWnn3Y3KDaB0zUAqL38P9MAtlRqrIDTuwZ9 h+LfnQ7kOISHs0fBIEWwi3CXQE8qCFwHK93EvoUTMAJ0cNItc8xA66Na+TpNtsBqoW97 QQx7cA0eOxKH3Ciwnm8BMIYtAArdkLPMfveO8uhB1ZlffqOFvn4h4SEKVGZoSJf9Cr/c b4+2dfwiluENVjID32rfBMaSxtmLYgADL0Dh1pS3G6fGKlGaPs5Wxi3ehMCBsIldwZ4c BccA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkQjN5SuVwq+HVz/hDQsrugUmSQio69NjIgBz18U8w31zstwzXdjGzd2T8ELgneu/2xWOLL MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.11.137 with SMTP id t9mr95644480qat.10.1417518493136; Tue, 02 Dec 2014 03:08:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.85.179 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 03:08:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <547d74b4.qPmD4NU27Cup8Ccm%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> <54791d3a.w/pI0kak03d+3nKC%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141129113405.3d1bd1d6@X220.alogt.com> <54798883.saa13h6lE6rPwZCf%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141130212746.6d5eaf1f@X220.alogt.com> <547bd5bd.dKE49fHIj28ERZyT%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141201140037.584faf7e@X220.alogt.com> <547d74b4.qPmD4NU27Cup8Ccm%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 06:08:12 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD From: Alejandro Imass To: Perry Hutchison Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: Erich Dollansky , kudzu@tenebras.com, FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 11:14:34 -0000 On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 3:13 AM, Perry Hutchison wrote: > Alejandro Imass wrote: > > > ... at high power you would still need to employ high voltage to > > decrease loss in the distribution, or you would need to employ > > ridiculously large conductor bars to be able to distribute > > low-voltage DC even in the most modest data center ... > > Oh, for Pete's sake! What part of "integrate a UPS with the PSU" > ( > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2014-November/262603.html > ) > is so hard to understand? > > Note that I was NOT discussing the integration of the battery to the server which essentially the design of a laptop. I was discussing using DC for power distribution in general which currently is impractical. Best, -- Alejandro Imass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 2 11:23:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C29E6496 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 11:23:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 981FFAC7 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 11:23:04 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=PajihTidhkeIe/+soczK7SC57xui2kZMcHTi8iKEUv4=; b=H/XVPWFkRJgY5NzeOL6PmODWnVwWv3Zn6bOvWQuXIsHKvi6gcsgZlo5ukH4CrVuSkq0YF4kUUOAem13/rtKg10SMm6PJSJp1A0wzAE6ozdpE1F4kcBHrIoFKTTMgTjpJnMiuUQJtyhtFbnCjwsirlx0rCVLViTp0BNw60bJfTtc=; Received: from [114.124.4.186] (port=50989 helo=X220.alogt.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1XvlXo-002XV3-FC; Tue, 02 Dec 2014 04:23:02 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 19:22:52 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: Alejandro Imass Subject: Re: UPS for FreeBSD Message-ID: <20141202192252.7cab41b5@X220.alogt.com> In-Reply-To: References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <54789AF3.7090100@yahoo.com> <547AAC20.1050006@tridentusa.com> <20141202103847.564806a2@X220.alogt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: John Johnstone , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 11:23:04 -0000 Hi, On Mon, 1 Dec 2014 22:46:58 -0500 Alejandro Imass wrote: > On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Erich Dollansky > > wrote: > > > On Mon, 1 Dec 2014 12:39:24 -0500 > > Alejandro Imass wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 12:33 AM, John Johnstone > > > wrote: > > > > > the average volage over a square is much higher than over a sine. If > > the components are not designed for this, they will fail. You can > > see this effect by connecting a light bulb to an UPS and switch > > mains off an on again. The smaller the difference in brightness > > gets, the better the UPS emulates a sine. Of course, the life time > > of the light bulb gets reduced. > > > > > Should not be a problem for any modern switching power supply. In > fact the higher the RMS the more efficient it will operate. The RMS > of the sine x/SQRT(2) of a square wave is just x, where x is the peak > to peak voltage. The peak to peak of 120V is around 170V which is > just fine for most switching power supplies which are rated for about > 250V RMS. It _could_ be a bit of a problem is the UPS is for 240V but > I have never personally seen one in a North American store. Besides > any 240V UPS manufacturer would have to know this and honestly I > don't really think that any UPS uses a square wave. > the world is a bit bigger than the USA. > I will be sure to test this with an oscilloscope when I finally buy > the UPS that started this thread - I promise I will buy the cheapest > one I find and post pictures of the output waveform ;-) > There are sites which do this already. I just do not have URLs at hand. They normally do not do a simple squere but use i.e. 3 squares. The higher the price gets, the smaller the squares will get. > [...] > > > > This is the question. Most power supplies will be able to handle the > > square waveform. Escpecially modern power supplies being able to > > handle any voltage from 100 to 250V. > > > > > Actually I was referring to another comment that suggested that HF > harmonics from saw-tooth emulation or square wave "ring" could somehow > affect the switching PS of a typical computer. I think this is > unlikely because it will get filtered by the first rectification > circuitry of the switching power supply (I am no expert and could be > wrong and maybe some switching PS would be sensitive to this, but I > really doubt it). HF does affect some transformers and linear > equipment and still is very unlikely. > Yes, it should be like this. > [..] > > > > It is the volume. When the cheaper UPSes appeared, their price > > advantage was pretty minor. > > > > I wonder meanwhile if it is not cheaper to use an inverter used in > > solar panel installations. At least for larger inverters, they have > > a clear price advantage but require batteries which are not > > available at the next corner shop. > > > > The problem I think is the switch-over speed. It would be really cool > to find UPS that use *any* external battery, and you could just use a > car battery for example which is very reliable, durable and readily > available. > Oh, I did this once for a client at a very remote location. He only has had a lousy generator but wanted to run a normal PC in a decent manner without spending too much money. We took the a cheap car battery charger, two car batteries and an off-shelve inverter to be used in a truck. Nothing can beat this as the UPS is always on. So no switch over. The clear disadvantage are the batteries. Car batteries are designed for a high load for a short period of time. The result with a low load over a longer period of time is bad. The best I have seen yet are batteries used for solar panels. The quality of the batteries is really outstanding. The price is even more outstanding. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 2 13:00:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 98099E59 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 13:00:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relaygateway01.edpnet.net (relaygateway01.edpnet.net [212.71.1.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3120C639 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 12:59:59 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoMGAPm0fVTV25CH/2dsb2JhbABbgwZRWIMFxASGIwKBHRcBAQEBAX2EAwEBBCMzMwsYCRMOAgIPBSWIe75SkTGFWwELIJB2FoJfgVMFlR+GZgGVIYN8PjCCRwEBAQ X-IPAS-Result: AoMGAPm0fVTV25CH/2dsb2JhbABbgwZRWIMFxASGIwKBHRcBAQEBAX2EAwEBBCMzMwsYCRMOAgIPBSWIe75SkTGFWwELIJB2FoJfgVMFlR+GZgGVIYN8PjCCRwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,500,1413237600"; d="scan'208";a="289866480" Received: from 213.219.144.135.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net (HELO mordor.lan) ([213.219.144.135]) by relaygateway01.edpnet.net with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 02 Dec 2014 13:10:24 +0100 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 13:46:30 +0100 From: Julien Cigar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pkg + poudriere: shared library change detected .. but not handled ? Message-ID: <20141202124630.GN6162@mordor.lan> References: <20141125111100.GG1089@mordor.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MdEjg5WkSuUg8x46" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20141125111100.GG1089@mordor.lan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 13:00:01 -0000 --MdEjg5WkSuUg8x46 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:11:00PM +0100, Julien Cigar wrote: > Hello, >=20 > I'm using poudriere (3.0.19) to build my own repos, it works well but it > seems that shared library changes are not handled properly, for example > in https://dpaste.de/3yJM/raw I don't understand why bootstrap-openjdk > is not reinstalled when I upgrade java-zoneinfo and vice-versa ..? >=20 > The manpage of pkg-upgrade says: >=20 > "The difference to pkg-install(8) is that pkg upgrade tries to upgrade > dependencies of packages matched as well while pkg-install(8) is more=20 > conservative during dependencies upgrade." >=20 > Have I misunderstood something? >=20 > Thanks, > Julien no one on this ? :) I just had the same issue with another package (libiconv) .. >=20 > --=20 > Julien Cigar > Belgian Biodiversity Platform (http://www.biodiversity.be) > PGP fingerprint: EEF9 F697 4B68 D275 7B11 6A25 B2BB 3710 A204 23C0 > No trees were killed in the creation of this message. > However, many electrons were terribly inconvenienced. --=20 Julien Cigar Belgian Biodiversity Platform (http://www.biodiversity.be) PGP fingerprint: EEF9 F697 4B68 D275 7B11 6A25 B2BB 3710 A204 23C0 No trees were killed in the creation of this message. 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Regards,Bhaskar From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 2 16:28:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D1D2FE0 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 16:28:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com [173.37.86.80]) (using TLSv1 with cipher IDEA-CBC-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "rcdn-iport.cisco.com", Issuer "HydrantID SSL ICA G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 602D0EC6 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 16:28:12 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjMFALfnfVStJA2G/2dsb2JhbABbgwdSWYMFxAeGIwKBIhYBAQEBAX2EAwEBBCMPAQVAEQsOCgICBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFBgEMBgIBAQWIN79olmUBAQEBAQEBAwEBAQEBARyBK49LgnWBUwEEiwGYS4cZhkKEGSEwgkcBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,501,1413244800"; d="scan'208";a="373802006" Received: from alln-core-12.cisco.com ([173.36.13.134]) by rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com with ESMTP; 02 Dec 2014 16:28:11 +0000 Received: from [10.150.53.69] (dhcp-10-150-53-69.cisco.com [10.150.53.69]) by alln-core-12.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sB2GSBmQ015984; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 16:28:11 GMT Message-ID: <547DE89D.5010402@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 11:28:13 -0500 From: Joe Marcus Clarke Organization: FreeBSD, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Apitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: problem compiling pidgin 2.10.10 References: <20141124194742.GA1968@unixarea.DDR.dd> <5474A296.6050700@freebsd.org> <20141125185640.GA1732@unixarea.DDR.dd> <5474D93C.6070000@freebsd.org> <20141126065831.GA1644@unixarea.DDR.dd> <20141127060509.GA1728@unixarea.DDR.dd> In-Reply-To: <20141127060509.GA1728@unixarea.DDR.dd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 16:28:13 -0000 On 11/27/14 1:05 AM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día Wednesday, November 26, 2014 a las 07:58:31AM +0100, Matthias Apitz escribió: > >>> But does the net-im/finch port build? I imagine it won't with ncurses >>> from ports if this is an issue. >> >> On 10-ALPHA4 (rev. r255948) the build of net-im/finch fails with the same >> problem with the lib libtinfow.so.9 provided by the port (or pkg) ncurses-5.9_3. >> >> I will check my 11-CURRENT too this evening. > > In my VM where I compile all my ports with poudriere on head and ports > from October, 21 net-im/finch builds fine. I added the patch anyway as it did not break the default build. Joe -- Joe Marcus Clarke FreeBSD GNOME Team :: gnome@FreeBSD.org FreeNode / #freebsd-gnome http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 2 19:51:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BF509F6 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 19:51:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.gmx.com (mout.gmx.com [74.208.4.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC6AFA1E for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 19:51:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [70.167.123.7] by 3capp-mailcom-lxa06.server.lan (via HTTP); Tue, 2 Dec 2014 20:45:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: "FreeBSD Questioner" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Reserving localhost port numbers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 20:45:46 +0100 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:/GuE+4nInKm+xcn9dVM0tx2JMRQ01yD0df8pUiABv+R S7dCbp9l4w/gI50478vaIUyi3ANbtCCcrpYm+wL/aShH4ZXVeC XmvI1FY+yNZuDa+Cig4lz0GuJqPdLtEU+oAnTXNb2hSNQm/JNI 6qvaqhtZuEZ+HA/TLiFXHgYfmrzFBzwEQ1nsvz/ZBY4t51m/Ey w1eA2CL0tGV91xT695JUZ9Rwtra+0/dK8VibbWGAH0rWujP7ZU w9xXaoQJWxlOBqMiH1zBmX5gOG2yOCNwKhdRscXUwggSFEYkQu dfNTLVq+crYikH3j/E60zE2brA/ X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 19:51:04 -0000 Hello, This question is regarding a networking scheme, utilizing multiple remote sensor systems in the field, which connect to a central freebsd server via ssh. When making these connections, the remote field systems "reverse tunnel" certain listening ports to the server via the ssh -R parameter. Since there are multiple field systems, each one has a unique offset to which to map it's listening ports, when tunneling them to the central server. This prevents multiple field systems from attempting to listen on the same port number on the central server. My question involves these listening port numbers on the central freebsd server: Is there a way to reserve a block of port numbers, preventing them from being used as "ephemeral" ports, by other network traffic on the central server? It would be desirable to reserve a block of 10000 or so ports, anywhere above the 1024 "privileged port" range. Thank you for any suggestions or references that may shed light on managing the networking stack's allocation of localhost port numbers. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 2 20:13:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB63228B for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 20:13:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2F6FCCA for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 20:13:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 94FE133C24; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 15:13:23 -0500 (EST) From: Lowell Gilbert To: "FreeBSD Questioner" Subject: Re: Reserving localhost port numbers References: Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 15:13:23 -0500 In-Reply-To: (FreeBSD Questioner's message of "Tue, 2 Dec 2014 20:45:46 +0100") Message-ID: <44d281ajz0.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 20:13:30 -0000 "FreeBSD Questioner" writes: > This question is regarding a networking scheme, utilizing multiple > remote sensor systems in the field, which connect to a central freebsd > server via ssh. > > When making these connections, the remote field systems "reverse > tunnel" certain listening ports to the server via the ssh -R > parameter. Ouch. That's pretty ugly, and (because you'll be running TCP over TCP) may not perform well. You might want to consider an architecture with an intermediary agent on the central server instead. > Since there are multiple field systems, each one has a unique offset > to which to map it's listening ports, when tunneling them to the > central server. This prevents multiple field systems from attempting > to listen on the same port number on the central server. > > My question involves these listening port numbers on the central freebsd server: > > Is there a way to reserve a block of port numbers, preventing them > from being used as "ephemeral" ports, by other network traffic on the > central server? > > It would be desirable to reserve a block of 10000 or so ports, anywhere above the 1024 "privileged port" range. > > Thank you for any suggestions or references that may shed light on > managing the networking stack's allocation of localhost port numbers. Are the sysctls in the net.inet.ip.portrange. set what you're looking for? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 2 23:35:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0146AA13 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 23:35:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-x236.google.com (mail-pa0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C4F096E3 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 23:35:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id fb1so14526338pad.13 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2014 15:35:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qXryBJtoilZWnXvJTPx8atwgcUq48e1tLxwyN1f7K9w=; b=xosVbeweg9TeYYvwOGNWBsjGbfSHO7uKoUA0LXPWzy5QGRWvS0OVFq+yCPrUHJp3Bj gP0rQCTD9qykUXZD+TZLEo/a8EN5lUZwy3d3IAwccxHJMBe1w31zhg6XAzw/vmSV1506 C2RXuGHguscE76Az7nYDxyPVqyMhIjQGPajErRM/iBDB/bOGIYK+cziN+5JCaHNLFieG UvT9dhrZC/Qi23oLY/naltfp1kNnyUyMdxNq+s1/p5no7SloczeEzetO3uv0tqatVllG 5u859iwVwk1Gw2I0tNRd7klmmtRTx7pXYQss2IGmz3YvrIv1hjy/BSuVmL6vRnWm/ESF sfqA== X-Received: by 10.68.217.197 with SMTP id pa5mr10598575pbc.32.1417563351341; Tue, 02 Dec 2014 15:35:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.111.115] ([120.29.118.234]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id bb3sm21239724pbc.15.2014.12.02.15.35.50 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 02 Dec 2014 15:35:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <547E4CD8.4010509@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 07:35:52 +0800 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: firefox bookmarks verifier Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 23:35:52 -0000 Hello list; I have years of saved bookmarks in my firefox browser. I am finding that a lot of the url bookmarks are no longer valid. Is there some way I can get firefox to roll through all it's bookmarks and remove all the invalid ones automatically? Also open to any other method to accomplish this. Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 00:59:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C29A6933 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 00:59:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from siobud.com (siobud.com [162.243.65.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C8A0EB7 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 00:59:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 3006.local (c-73-8-76-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net [73.8.76.141]) by siobud.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4559740298; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 00:52:36 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=siobud.com; s=mail; t=1417567956; bh=tkV8igKXTEs6Q9c+ppDGZpK2Z0WmKbOFRILXoMvZPMs=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=itaBYKgI9vKVfg6Szhb5cFk+Bfc/6qSlcRkrZ0B50uj0I2kxFZoXNbDyIk+1+29VI BNumOfMoc1Ad99CY7VcJtwQnKk6NmoimigqBLIA1Z8zEx8YLPUODwm9nYKbk8sxhlq Sa3PPfzgUGfXQMbGLMCK3viH3kCajUTikXFdYms4= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 18:52:32 -0600 From: Sean DuBois To: Ernie Luzar Subject: Re: firefox bookmarks verifier Message-ID: <20141203005232.GA64389@3006.local> References: <547E4CD8.4010509@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <547E4CD8.4010509@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.22 (2013-10-16) Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 00:59:14 -0000 Hey Ernie, I have a 3 liner script to take exported FireFox bookmarks -> another browser. https://github.com/Sean-Der/Firefox2dwb/blob/master/firefox2dwb.py It doesn't solve your exact problem, but it is how I would solve the problem. I would loop over your bookmarks and filter links that return a 404 etc.. I imagine I will get bored later tonight, and whip up the completed script you are looking for. thanks! On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 07:35:52AM +0800, Ernie Luzar wrote: > Hello list; > > I have years of saved bookmarks in my firefox browser. > I am finding that a lot of the url bookmarks are no longer valid. > Is there some way I can get firefox to roll through all it's bookmarks > and remove all the invalid ones automatically? > Also open to any other method to accomplish this. > > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 01:23:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ADB67C94 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 01:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7118F1A1 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 01:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-18-117.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.18.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 28FCC2785A; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 02:23:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id sB31NnXB003762; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 02:23:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 02:23:49 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Sean DuBois Subject: Re: firefox bookmarks verifier Message-Id: <20141203022349.8c81b802.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20141203005232.GA64389@3006.local> References: <547E4CD8.4010509@gmail.com> <20141203005232.GA64389@3006.local> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions , Ernie Luzar X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 01:23:59 -0000 On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 18:52:32 -0600, Sean DuBois wrote: > It doesn't solve your exact problem, but it is how I would solve the > problem. I would loop over your bookmarks and filter links that return a > 404 etc.. That would have been my suggestion, too. But be aware that just checking for 404 often isn't sufficient, because some error pages indicate things like "oops, article or blog post not found" which is a ("valid") 200 response, but the requested content simply isn't there anymore... So maybe you would extract the fields "bookmark title" and "bookmark URI", then use wget to dump the page, grep for and compare. Otherwise, wget --spider would probably be enough. For those entries still valid, create a new bookmark file that can then be re-imported into Firefox (or exchanged for the one that was the original source). The original format can be recreated quite easily; if I remember correctly, Firefox stores bookmarks in HTML or JSON. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 03:30:32 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA3E38CC for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 03:30:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-x241.google.com (mail-pa0-x241.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5A5BE7 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 03:30:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f65.google.com with SMTP id et14so5952111pad.0 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Tue, 02 Dec 2014 19:30:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wXRZdl+xgaecgg3AjMHCGHmLfdUp3l21lE383Bo+EBI=; b=nvlR4GmjP7vZC3yaIivYaFxofwswIjoRj5KvsSbVIfqXgJ/rr21CbkhMLqAWipqoZA fSyIq3da8Cm9rPGe7E2DIWMOTQT86K/xZYqeKOW9IqLdd4m7M/2usenRO8cyJW8niTKp hhOrMe4Xs4LZkbtNOuFNJaJuLELuOiwa7XATf5HWdgqqSe1wjXLVf4XROkgEwxpncI+N ti0LYVCBa7HwgXV/v90kMQnhUR4ojpa4BxpqHPAObFPeML1WThzrtsPSC0rxftJiAfM0 SR1oGHEj/ogpd5UTC9MrR1k51HX2I1oU4wnW0HmWHtyURohzt75lqbtqzrxscGScu7oo alyw== X-Received: by 10.66.90.201 with SMTP id by9mr4448187pab.148.1417576356479; Tue, 02 Dec 2014 19:12:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.111.115] ([120.29.118.234]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id yp5sm20628589pbb.16.2014.12.02.19.12.35 for <multiple recipients> (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 02 Dec 2014 19:12:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <547E7FAD.2040305@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 11:12:45 +0800 From: Ernie Luzar <luzar722@gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> Subject: Re: firefox bookmarks verifier References: <547E4CD8.4010509@gmail.com> <20141203005232.GA64389@3006.local> <20141203022349.8c81b802.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20141203022349.8c81b802.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Sean DuBois <sean@siobud.com>, FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 03:30:33 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 18:52:32 -0600, Sean DuBois wrote: > >> It doesn't solve your exact problem, but it is how I would solve the >> problem. I would loop over your bookmarks and filter links that return a >> 404 etc.. >> > > That would have been my suggestion, too. But be aware > that just checking for 404 often isn't sufficient, because > some error pages indicate things like "oops, article or > blog post not found" which is a ("valid") 200 response, > but the requested content simply isn't there anymore... > > So maybe you would extract the fields "bookmark title" > and "bookmark URI", then use wget to dump the page, grep > for <title> and compare. Otherwise, wget --spider would > probably be enough. > > For those entries still valid, create a new bookmark file > that can then be re-imported into Firefox (or exchanged > for the one that was the original source). The original > format can be recreated quite easily; if I remember > correctly, Firefox stores bookmarks in HTML or JSON. > > > So your answer is that Firefox has no built in function to verify bookmarks? Secondly When I imported my bookmarks from my MS browser into Firefox they were all organized in folders just like they were in the MS browser. Now when to go to export Firefox bookmarks I get them listed in URL sorted order missing there organized folders. This is not acceptable. Need to have them exported grouped in their folders as Firefox shows them. How can I get this accomplished? Where does Firefox store the raw bookmarks html file? This file must be like a directory tree with each folder being a sub-directory. Does any one know of any Firefox addon's that address these problems with Firefox bookmarks? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 03:41:28 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 910F2BB2 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 03:41:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 53F191F3 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 03:41:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-18-117.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.18.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16BDF277C9; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 04:41:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id sB33fPE1001998; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 04:41:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 04:41:25 +0100 From: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> To: Ernie Luzar <luzar722@gmail.com> Subject: Re: firefox bookmarks verifier Message-Id: <20141203044125.99e72ede.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <547E7FAD.2040305@gmail.com> References: <547E4CD8.4010509@gmail.com> <20141203005232.GA64389@3006.local> <20141203022349.8c81b802.freebsd@edvax.de> <547E7FAD.2040305@gmail.com> Reply-To: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Sean DuBois <sean@siobud.com>, FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 03:41:28 -0000 On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 11:12:45 +0800, Ernie Luzar wrote: > So your answer is that Firefox has no built in function to verify bookmarks? At least I have not found that functionality. Maybe there is an add-on, add-in, extension or plugin or something that offers that feature? I'm not sure, Firefox is not my primary browser, so I sadly cannot answer more precisely, sorry. > When I imported my bookmarks from my MS browser into Firefox they were > all organized in folders just like they were in the MS browser. Now when > to go to export Firefox bookmarks I get them listed in URL sorted order > missing there organized folders. This is not acceptable. Definitely not acceptable. So my suggestion would be not to use the export function, but to work with the bookmark file directly. As far as I remember, it's in HTML and therefore keeps the organisation (which is then represented as folders in the GUI). The re-creation of this structure should be easy for the URIs which have been verified as still intact. The bookmark file could act as a template for a "copy if not 404 or bookmark title != HTML <title>" routine. > Where does Firefox store the raw bookmarks html file? This file must be > like a directory tree with each folder being a sub-directory. No, I think it's one file using HTML to hold the structure for the URIs. It's probably named bookmarks.html and it is located somewhere in ~/.mozilla/firefox, or whereever it keeps it configuration this year. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 08:11:29 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 106C89E for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 08:11:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from man.dat.pl (dat.pl [80.51.155.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C596ADF3 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 08:11:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from man.dat.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by man.dat.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C19F2D2A211; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 09:04:45 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at dat.pl Received: from man.dat.pl ([127.0.0.1]) by man.dat.pl (man.dat.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id nmkF5ehpn0FC; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 09:04:45 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <547EC41C.4060002@dat.pl> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:04:44 +0100 From: Maciej Milewski <milu@dat.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ernie Luzar <luzar722@gmail.com> Subject: Re: firefox bookmarks verifier References: <547E4CD8.4010509@gmail.com> <20141203005232.GA64389@3006.local> <20141203022349.8c81b802.freebsd@edvax.de> <547E7FAD.2040305@gmail.com> <20141203044125.99e72ede.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20141203044125.99e72ede.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 08:11:29 -0000 On 03.12.2014 04:41, Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 11:12:45 +0800, Ernie Luzar wrote: >> So your answer is that Firefox has no built in function to verify book= marks? > At least I have not found that functionality. Maybe there > is an add-on, add-in, extension or plugin or something that > offers that feature? I'm not sure, Firefox is not my primary > browser, so I sadly cannot answer more precisely, sorry. No built-in. Use search function in firefox extensions: there should be few of them. First shot: Bookmarks Checker. >> When I imported my bookmarks from my MS browser into Firefox they were= =20 >> all organized in folders just like they were in the MS browser. Now wh= en=20 >> to go to export Firefox bookmarks I get them listed in URL sorted orde= r=20 >> missing there organized folders. This is not acceptable. > Definitely not acceptable. So my suggestion would be not > to use the export function, but to work with the bookmark > file directly. As far as I remember, it's in HTML and > therefore keeps the organisation (which is then represented > as folders in the GUI). The re-creation of this structure > should be easy for the URIs which have been verified as > still intact. The bookmark file could act as a template > for a "copy if not 404 or bookmark title !=3D HTML <title>" > routine. > >> Where does Firefox store the raw bookmarks html file? This file must b= e=20 >> like a directory tree with each folder being a sub-directory. > No, I think it's one file using HTML to hold the structure > for the URIs. It's probably named bookmarks.html and it is > located somewhere in ~/.mozilla/firefox, or whereever it > keeps it configuration this year. ;-) I suspect somewhere where is the file places.sqlite? You can export it from Bookmarks Manager to html or save a copy in .json format. json should preserve all folders. --=20 Pozdrawiam, Maciej Milewski From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 08:39:56 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6AA81789 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 08:39:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pd0-x22a.google.com (mail-pd0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35BAB113 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 08:39:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pd0-f170.google.com with SMTP id fp1so15082084pdb.29 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 00:39:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lx8m/cinNTowUxpTRgQiAzOrKBUFRk8gp7pvX1jxm7g=; b=TucbRlP4SKewJmKNucJl3DNYvWZ3eqiVWboDjgfPbM3fqg2kWT9507kLaIfogB7XUT idHSlsLXUXdHlNtlCIl4r3ZbPUcsA9ZtddQoNkj/H9rm7+ZEu4MXfaDiQzLF/KYjJiNs sjVVBIO9HsJyW9ehCzPb7OZA0LQsat08uFd+KTTETkCERwmHl8da1Q1U59pJwcnn7wnO g3LOUOIo+N+Du9VLl8SUH+Ck3GuCOS6hYS4a4iQ2Qffv3kt+rGTicLurBSuNgwmp6F/r BF9xIDl2s2U+tVHcqabuaSY3Zb8rt+BOUPdp70RPguG7blK4DVV/H0rl/8wv6BoIEyAd uJ9g== X-Received: by 10.70.61.232 with SMTP id t8mr6275144pdr.7.1417594881132; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 00:21:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.111.115] ([120.29.118.234]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id oz7sm8860509pbb.14.2014.12.03.00.21.19 for <multiple recipients> (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 03 Dec 2014 00:21:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <547EC816.5020900@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:21:42 +0800 From: Ernie Luzar <luzar722@gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Maciej Milewski <milu@dat.pl> Subject: Re: firefox bookmarks verifier References: <547E4CD8.4010509@gmail.com> <20141203005232.GA64389@3006.local> <20141203022349.8c81b802.freebsd@edvax.de> <547E7FAD.2040305@gmail.com> <20141203044125.99e72ede.freebsd@edvax.de> <547EC41C.4060002@dat.pl> In-Reply-To: <547EC41C.4060002@dat.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 08:39:56 -0000 Maciej Milewski wrote: > On 03.12.2014 04:41, Polytropon wrote: > >> On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 11:12:45 +0800, Ernie Luzar wrote: >> >>> So your answer is that Firefox has no built in function to verify bookmarks? >>> >> At least I have not found that functionality. Maybe there >> is an add-on, add-in, extension or plugin or something that >> offers that feature? I'm not sure, Firefox is not my primary >> browser, so I sadly cannot answer more precisely, sorry. >> > No built-in. Use search function in firefox extensions: there should be > few of them. First shot: > Bookmarks Checker. > > >>> When I imported my bookmarks from my MS browser into Firefox they were >>> all organized in folders just like they were in the MS browser. Now when >>> to go to export Firefox bookmarks I get them listed in URL sorted order >>> missing there organized folders. This is not acceptable. >>> >> Definitely not acceptable. So my suggestion would be not >> to use the export function, but to work with the bookmark >> file directly. As far as I remember, it's in HTML and >> therefore keeps the organisation (which is then represented >> as folders in the GUI). The re-creation of this structure >> should be easy for the URIs which have been verified as >> still intact. The bookmark file could act as a template >> for a "copy if not 404 or bookmark title != HTML <title>" >> routine. >> >> >>> Where does Firefox store the raw bookmarks html file? This file must be >>> like a directory tree with each folder being a sub-directory. >>> >> No, I think it's one file using HTML to hold the structure >> for the URIs. It's probably named bookmarks.html and it is >> located somewhere in ~/.mozilla/firefox, or whereever it >> keeps it configuration this year. ;-) >> > > I suspect somewhere where is the file places.sqlite? > You can export it from Bookmarks Manager to html or save a copy in .json > format. json should preserve all folders. > > Everything I read on firefox website everyone is complaining that they (firefox developers] used a bastardized version of .json4 which is a compressed version. There is no way to read the file. This is going to force me to leave firefox and move to something else that has a favorites/bookmarks style like MS browser What ever were firefox developers thinking??? Smoking to much weed at work!!!! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 09:02:04 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4EBA0E0E for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 09:02:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 108FE3FC for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 09:02:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-18-117.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.18.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D66B127654; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 10:02:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id sB3920nk003431; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 10:02:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 10:02:00 +0100 From: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> To: Ernie Luzar <luzar722@gmail.com> Subject: Re: firefox bookmarks verifier Message-Id: <20141203100200.01681767.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <547EC816.5020900@gmail.com> References: <547E4CD8.4010509@gmail.com> <20141203005232.GA64389@3006.local> <20141203022349.8c81b802.freebsd@edvax.de> <547E7FAD.2040305@gmail.com> <20141203044125.99e72ede.freebsd@edvax.de> <547EC41C.4060002@dat.pl> <547EC816.5020900@gmail.com> Reply-To: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Maciej Milewski <milu@dat.pl>, FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:02:04 -0000 On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:21:42 +0800, Ernie Luzar wrote: > Everything I read on firefox website everyone is complaining that they > (firefox developers] used a bastardized version of .json4 which is a > compressed version. > There is no way to read the file. This must be "new". Older versions of Firefox did use a simple text-based format (HTML and uncompressed JSON). If your description is true, it really sounds terrible and against the idea of interoperability (traditionally an important attribute of quality for UNIX and Linux programs). As I said, my Firefox here is very old, and it uses a kind of "stripped down" HTML for bookmarks, very easy to deal with; the subdirectory bookmarkbackups/ contains JSON files, not compressed, just "one-liners", also easy to deal with (at least by using a JSON access library). > This is going to force me to leave > firefox and move to something else that has a favorites/bookmarks style > like MS browser You can use Opera: Its bookmarks file ~/.opera/bookmarks.adr is easy to pars, it contains "name=value" pairs, prefixed by a "#URL" or "#FOLDER" that indicates what the entry is, so it's easy to parse, verify, and recombine. You don't need complicated import/export tools here. Also check out Chromium. > What ever were firefox developers thinking??? Smoking to much weed at > work!!!! They probably did not assume that someone is so stupid to expect to be able to verify the validity of stored bookmark entries. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 11:10:14 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B26DA93E; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 11:10:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-x234.google.com (mail-la0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 363C2365; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 11:10:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f52.google.com with SMTP id hs14so7701492lab.11 for <multiple recipients>; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 03:10:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=AsxUYdkiaqCNKiHKROLNl9dooXeLqhKaJxhRqLyUVys=; b=Q1m3fR5a7aLQbJzhHQgwQQ1R8zvjtG/WypPuCdswHy5Broy56/FsBxxHQ1Jj+OEKfD UWiwzgMGxe+0LZO56P+Gg7NBqFvCw0yRqvwZibjN5H2b6g7aYxu0ZMJTDiZdDi5TQAdr PBW1MU2Ni22mPDIMo5LcDQnmEXVfMj4jHDGhAxxty8sVltEfLnVEWtHWdyJfNibXYMXl Uu1m5JhGGCcB5JnEK0WfRlwql+Zo/gh2B3yTV/nY4SrrMc4LRSmetTYaljUkAV9U+NXW PnzTc3ubQLyWUHwxEOCFNINjACnATjkSsOu7leEq0FCfVQ/UY8/laUhmt9FF+X31G+t4 lDsQ== X-Received: by 10.112.167.200 with SMTP id zq8mr3673256lbb.61.1417605012232; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 03:10:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.53.72 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 03:09:31 -0800 (PST) From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 14:09:31 +0300 Message-ID: <CAAdA2WO2g7e48kJc8=oQ=pKYUDNwX2obV5WnzupC8gmT5xiPFQ@mail.gmail.com> Subject: How to manually compile on FreeBSD 10.x To: questions <questions@freebsd.org>, User Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 11:10:14 -0000 Hi guys, What do I need to install on FreeBSD 10 to enable me compile stuff by hand? [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# uname -a FreeBSD admin.cnet.co.za 10.0-RELEASE-p12 FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE-p12 #0: Tue Nov 4 04:15:03 UTC 2014 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 [root@admin ~/Exim]# cp Makefile-Exim-4.85x.txt exim-4.85_RC2/L LICENCE LICENSE.opendmarc Local/ [root@admin ~/Exim]# cp Makefile-Exim-4.85x.txt exim-4.85_RC2/Local/Makefile [root@admin ~/Exim]# cd exim-4.85_RC2 [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# make /bin/sh scripts/source_checks >>> Creating links to source files... >>> Creating lookups/Makefile for building dynamic modules >>> New Makefile & lookups/Makefile installed >>> Use "make makefile" if you need to force rebuilding of the makefile */bin/sh ../scripts/Configure-os.h* */bin/sh ../scripts/Configure-os.c* *gcc buildconfig.c* *make[1]: exec(gcc) failed (No such file or directory)* **** Error code 1* Stop. make[1]: stopped in /root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2/build-FreeBSD-i386 *** Error code 1 Stop. make: stopped in /root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2 -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 13:33:30 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CAE9FAAE; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 13:33:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-x22b.google.com (mail-yk0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8631D82A; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 13:33:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f171.google.com with SMTP id 142so6865503ykq.16 for <multiple recipients>; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 05:33:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=CzrRxFQZGbdQrX3sBjm0PIXl/+mU5/MLCanFy+14GP0=; b=lNoYX4Pcvi3JAyvdjTkIQCaEkNG5RL7Bj139TWB4zXy8onZYdRCC0JK1f6Igue0rUh R+KVlfcBFZ2xT3UTCzj0U7n3/K8IxaRINLgwVsltihwPxZo7APS1J1N45dITYci/5Oi9 KLaKxDV40X5qBBKBeumi7Ds6l4E84oMnBEQWKyhc2wNqlVEr6ZBaogjaRzzrsHBBv+xO NNohhaUAZcaGLkg6AjYQFRHzdJrx1ydTtTLIsNJcA5KfNGSXD0r0JhlpH6eQGiCcENSn qEe/ShU5jHX8rCimGfZCT3/Q584G4c/LEYKam51waCKY9zNNObfVyqigCNFze7ySFwwx jGcQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.30.227 with SMTP id k63mr5981429yha.28.1417613603224; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 05:33:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.170.90.131 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 05:33:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <CAAdA2WO2g7e48kJc8=oQ=pKYUDNwX2obV5WnzupC8gmT5xiPFQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAAdA2WO2g7e48kJc8=oQ=pKYUDNwX2obV5WnzupC8gmT5xiPFQ@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 05:33:23 -0800 Message-ID: <CAOgwaMtPFsNNM9reg5iRSjO5At09dbU7V-Kg=D9hcHxtEi3znw@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: How to manually compile on FreeBSD 10.x From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk <m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com> To: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: questions <questions@freebsd.org>, User Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:33:30 -0000 On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 3:09 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi guys, > > What do I need to install on FreeBSD 10 to enable me compile stuff by hand? > > [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# uname -a > FreeBSD admin.cnet.co.za 10.0-RELEASE-p12 FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE-p12 #0: Tue > Nov 4 04:15:03 UTC 2014 > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC > i386 > > > > [root@admin ~/Exim]# cp Makefile-Exim-4.85x.txt exim-4.85_RC2/L > LICENCE LICENSE.opendmarc Local/ > [root@admin ~/Exim]# cp Makefile-Exim-4.85x.txt > exim-4.85_RC2/Local/Makefile > [root@admin ~/Exim]# cd exim-4.85_RC2 > [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# make > /bin/sh scripts/source_checks > > >>> Creating links to source files... > >>> Creating lookups/Makefile for building dynamic modules > >>> New Makefile & lookups/Makefile installed > >>> Use "make makefile" if you need to force rebuilding of the makefile > > */bin/sh ../scripts/Configure-os.h* > */bin/sh ../scripts/Configure-os.c* > *gcc buildconfig.c* > *make[1]: exec(gcc) failed (No such file or directory)* > **** Error code 1* > > Stop. > make[1]: stopped in /root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2/build-FreeBSD-i386 > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > make: stopped in /root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2 > > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." > What does "compile stuff by hand" mean ? Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 13:38:09 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 729DD5E0; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 13:38:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-x233.google.com (mail-lb0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DDC108D1; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 13:38:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f179.google.com with SMTP id z11so12049266lbi.24 for <multiple recipients>; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 05:38:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=/4yfYi7H0DFgvLxcGcOMA6o0ekieN9AqxPTfZDX4Ghk=; b=MItG8mVqoeYw8YxWqx4nFai8UiGsnXNSWeC12OmLnHdBH+KfoaCQItYUyLrsVqWB/S dUlyguLj0uvj7BKTRdzHgVo8FsU1wBKTpYMx4RC6XnqJLj9nHs8t4lMFZREn8YUZBTto FrOnpEqtA1otetP4A/wOYfb8gq81NN8zLTmsrX7GOpX0bIoJa8A6hSuvxHeVKt1znBGa xzUlNucgvnE5MQYKxqHzZ/+c3hIYs7plhwDFuEmPA+laCJ0v9GmC4Ik/TuK76kxekXcq TKkSfzfqYiKRi8E5W982kl2vufiL1qJ5jCWWcFyg4vBIUGWQ0sUxkP3A/pA8mgyjP9tY OwaQ== X-Received: by 10.112.167.200 with SMTP id zq8mr4265970lbb.61.1417613886799; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 05:38:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.53.72 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 05:37:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <CAOgwaMtPFsNNM9reg5iRSjO5At09dbU7V-Kg=D9hcHxtEi3znw@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAAdA2WO2g7e48kJc8=oQ=pKYUDNwX2obV5WnzupC8gmT5xiPFQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAOgwaMtPFsNNM9reg5iRSjO5At09dbU7V-Kg=D9hcHxtEi3znw@mail.gmail.com> From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 16:37:26 +0300 Message-ID: <CAAdA2WMFi2p_sOraRTM1HSMt_bfUj3ragaGtm7NrZnPgwaMtMg@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: How to manually compile on FreeBSD 10.x To: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk <m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: questions <questions@freebsd.org>, User Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:38:09 -0000 On 3 December 2014 at 16:33, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk <m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 3:09 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hi guys, > > > > What do I need to install on FreeBSD 10 to enable me compile stuff by > hand? > > > > [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# uname -a > > FreeBSD admin.cnet.co.za 10.0-RELEASE-p12 FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE-p12 #0: > Tue > > Nov 4 04:15:03 UTC 2014 > > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC > > i386 > > > > > > > > [root@admin ~/Exim]# cp Makefile-Exim-4.85x.txt exim-4.85_RC2/L > > LICENCE LICENSE.opendmarc Local/ > > [root@admin ~/Exim]# cp Makefile-Exim-4.85x.txt > > exim-4.85_RC2/Local/Makefile > > [root@admin ~/Exim]# cd exim-4.85_RC2 > > [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# make > > /bin/sh scripts/source_checks > > > > >>> Creating links to source files... > > >>> Creating lookups/Makefile for building dynamic modules > > >>> New Makefile & lookups/Makefile installed > > >>> Use "make makefile" if you need to force rebuilding of the makefile > > > > */bin/sh ../scripts/Configure-os.h* > > */bin/sh ../scripts/Configure-os.c* > > *gcc buildconfig.c* > > *make[1]: exec(gcc) failed (No such file or directory)* > > **** Error code 1* > > > > Stop. > > make[1]: stopped in /root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2/build-FreeBSD-i386 > > *** Error code 1 > > > > Stop. > > make: stopped in /root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2 > > > > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > > Nairobi,KE > > +254733744121/+254722743223 > > "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." > > > > > What does > > "compile stuff by hand" > > mean ? > > Download tarball Extract tarball ./configure --with-your-favorite-opts make make install > -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 13:52:19 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A90B89A; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 13:52:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yh0-x235.google.com (mail-yh0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c01::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 60398B62; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 13:52:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yh0-f53.google.com with SMTP id i57so7045794yha.26 for <multiple recipients>; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 05:52:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=r4iRGxaj1VQ/n86cql5JLkr0AvINQ3l02+ncT7M4/4E=; b=Uzf8T8ACoRW2/rZraDMSP+BSnLOKNzYI2+cC3jKnT3G12fUoT33eeEqx3vOetg5Fde vmFQZU4ncn7TaPeAx95Rzyn8tqNuczP5xcZ0RMQJ5j8hbrMJ2zA540bZLhjZzYWPqd4w 21oF9oL7xzVkhLAxM02633ezFyJ9PvgqQOJcqnH2gHejiaPjVpamjv/vEiPvqQbyV7uW gwjiH96RCRGqM20t+w5LNo0CWT871azKufIsG7TV44wG4WjOphAFkiZVriBoUKiVGL1u LcLfeJ3ROrkEeUIdhGFD88jRkbpO5V6hkg8lm3XSptpKNvpXiT0cXdCbhKlu2oupkPnx Vhag== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.170.198.150 with SMTP id p144mr6450846yke.33.1417614738663; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 05:52:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.170.90.131 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 05:52:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <CAAdA2WMFi2p_sOraRTM1HSMt_bfUj3ragaGtm7NrZnPgwaMtMg@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAAdA2WO2g7e48kJc8=oQ=pKYUDNwX2obV5WnzupC8gmT5xiPFQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAOgwaMtPFsNNM9reg5iRSjO5At09dbU7V-Kg=D9hcHxtEi3znw@mail.gmail.com> <CAAdA2WMFi2p_sOraRTM1HSMt_bfUj3ragaGtm7NrZnPgwaMtMg@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 05:52:18 -0800 Message-ID: <CAOgwaMtmVixcEXHq1Y2wat1p2XWY5JE1ytaFzBnew8198cK+tg@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: How to manually compile on FreeBSD 10.x From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk <m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com> To: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: questions <questions@freebsd.org>, User Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:52:19 -0000 On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 5:37 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 3 December 2014 at 16:33, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk < > m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 3:09 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > Hi guys, >> > >> > What do I need to install on FreeBSD 10 to enable me compile stuff by >> hand? >> > >> > [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# uname -a >> > FreeBSD admin.cnet.co.za 10.0-RELEASE-p12 FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE-p12 #0: >> Tue >> > Nov 4 04:15:03 UTC 2014 >> > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC >> > i386 >> > >> > >> > >> > [root@admin ~/Exim]# cp Makefile-Exim-4.85x.txt exim-4.85_RC2/L >> > LICENCE LICENSE.opendmarc Local/ >> > [root@admin ~/Exim]# cp Makefile-Exim-4.85x.txt >> > exim-4.85_RC2/Local/Makefile >> > [root@admin ~/Exim]# cd exim-4.85_RC2 >> > [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# make >> > /bin/sh scripts/source_checks >> > >> > >>> Creating links to source files... >> > >>> Creating lookups/Makefile for building dynamic modules >> > >>> New Makefile & lookups/Makefile installed >> > >>> Use "make makefile" if you need to force rebuilding of the makefile >> > >> > */bin/sh ../scripts/Configure-os.h* >> > */bin/sh ../scripts/Configure-os.c* >> > *gcc buildconfig.c* >> > *make[1]: exec(gcc) failed (No such file or directory)* >> > **** Error code 1* >> > >> > Stop. >> > make[1]: stopped in /root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2/build-FreeBSD-i386 >> > *** Error code 1 >> > >> > Stop. >> > make: stopped in /root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2 >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Best regards, >> > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> > Nairobi,KE >> > +254733744121/+254722743223 >> > "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." >> > >> >> >> What does >> >> "compile stuff by hand" >> >> mean ? >> >> > Download tarball > Extract tarball > ./configure --with-your-favorite-opts > make > make install > > >> > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Build_automation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_build_automation_software http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Build_automation If a suitable software exists for you in the Ports/Packages you may use it , otherwise it may be necessary to download related sources of your selected software and compile and use it . For some projects supplying tarballs , they may also supply a Version Control Facility such as Subversion or Git which you may continuously upgrade your system incrementally by using a clone of their Version Control Facility. Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 13:58:41 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BEC05396; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 13:58:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-x236.google.com (mail-la0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A4BFBE2; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 13:58:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f54.google.com with SMTP id pv20so7680313lab.41 for <multiple recipients>; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 05:58:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=XybsI8jAhaMz/TGo1wxzS1M/zEGQ+icu/f6PofDW+rE=; b=AKSDeObxqt6FKehW+qQxhEAKl8FJBC/hd4vnqhGgIV1BoQeyy5pcfFx18SYqzQOllE tPvMHBPWvDJNS6DQwzKNJyEM2JO08WxE/ZG82KI+7NjeG5vCJR4PTVb/Qqc6lpjlfBeW biw6GCCGJqhi94PSLg69khrxi+wiH4/SWz1aRYy/sObQ45QvJuQr18hiR++ZVrCY6mrO 060lwwi/sJ8zyjr/fEaWKYogR8od7jIx7eqQcNjC+QTE0PzjJOGqpbOVF6d8KVEMuR8d QhmJkYrlzNC7eNuRTX0VlEqRJfinjiCV29fNbIxusHrNonI9Le52ePdawwd4vSoEuk43 vkqQ== X-Received: by 10.153.7.170 with SMTP id dd10mr4420825lad.44.1417615119157; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 05:58:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.53.72 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 05:57:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <CAOgwaMtmVixcEXHq1Y2wat1p2XWY5JE1ytaFzBnew8198cK+tg@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAAdA2WO2g7e48kJc8=oQ=pKYUDNwX2obV5WnzupC8gmT5xiPFQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAOgwaMtPFsNNM9reg5iRSjO5At09dbU7V-Kg=D9hcHxtEi3znw@mail.gmail.com> <CAAdA2WMFi2p_sOraRTM1HSMt_bfUj3ragaGtm7NrZnPgwaMtMg@mail.gmail.com> <CAOgwaMtmVixcEXHq1Y2wat1p2XWY5JE1ytaFzBnew8198cK+tg@mail.gmail.com> From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 16:57:58 +0300 Message-ID: <CAAdA2WOJpqHkVe9dea-8_AXEWOYKwNRtr9ZQ6hei7X1pvZbD7g@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: How to manually compile on FreeBSD 10.x To: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk <m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: questions <questions@freebsd.org>, User Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:58:42 -0000 Hi Mehmet, You perhaps did not understand my question or I wasn't clear. On previous versions of FreeBSD, issues with compilers have never been an issue. However from FreeBSD 10, a lot has changed and it appears someone needs to manually install a compiler. I went around my problem by: cd /usr/bin ln -s clang++ gcc Then I went into my tarball and did the configure/make/make install but the compiler made so much noise that I am not even sure the application will run as expected. This is what i am trying to grasp from the people familiar with and using FreeBSD 10.x. I did not need all those wikipedia entries:) On 3 December 2014 at 16:52, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk <m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 5:37 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> On 3 December 2014 at 16:33, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk < >> m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 3:09 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Hi guys, >>> > >>> > What do I need to install on FreeBSD 10 to enable me compile stuff by >>> hand? >>> > >>> > [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# uname -a >>> > FreeBSD admin.cnet.co.za 10.0-RELEASE-p12 FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE-p12 >>> #0: Tue >>> > Nov 4 04:15:03 UTC 2014 >>> > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC >>> > i386 >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > [root@admin ~/Exim]# cp Makefile-Exim-4.85x.txt exim-4.85_RC2/L >>> > LICENCE LICENSE.opendmarc Local/ >>> > [root@admin ~/Exim]# cp Makefile-Exim-4.85x.txt >>> > exim-4.85_RC2/Local/Makefile >>> > [root@admin ~/Exim]# cd exim-4.85_RC2 >>> > [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# make >>> > /bin/sh scripts/source_checks >>> > >>> > >>> Creating links to source files... >>> > >>> Creating lookups/Makefile for building dynamic modules >>> > >>> New Makefile & lookups/Makefile installed >>> > >>> Use "make makefile" if you need to force rebuilding of the makefile >>> > >>> > */bin/sh ../scripts/Configure-os.h* >>> > */bin/sh ../scripts/Configure-os.c* >>> > *gcc buildconfig.c* >>> > *make[1]: exec(gcc) failed (No such file or directory)* >>> > **** Error code 1* >>> > >>> > Stop. >>> > make[1]: stopped in /root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2/build-FreeBSD-i386 >>> > *** Error code 1 >>> > >>> > Stop. >>> > make: stopped in /root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2 >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Best regards, >>> > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >>> > Nairobi,KE >>> > +254733744121/+254722743223 >>> > "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." >>> > >>> >>> >>> What does >>> >>> "compile stuff by hand" >>> >>> mean ? >>> >>> >> Download tarball >> Extract tarball >> ./configure --with-your-favorite-opts >> make >> make install >> >> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> Nairobi,KE >> +254733744121/+254722743223 >> "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." >> > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Build_automation > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_build_automation_software > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Build_automation > > > If a suitable software exists for you in the Ports/Packages you may use it > , > otherwise it may be necessary to download related sources of your selected > software > and compile and use it . > > For some projects supplying tarballs , they may also supply a Version > Control Facility > such as Subversion or Git which you may continuously upgrade your system > incrementally by using a clone of their Version Control Facility. > > > Thank you very much . > > Mehmet Erol Sanliturk > > > > > -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 14:03:07 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33172740; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 14:03:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-x232.google.com (mail-yk0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD8D3CC8; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 14:03:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f178.google.com with SMTP id 20so6889704yks.37 for <multiple recipients>; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 06:03:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=blxjeU9M2qzsbqIB75qOlWjeDBbfAu+Bj/bkYdIqVH4=; b=BDJjnU5rxoIfp1SxDoVopPL6YaCl3tDbryxAs0kp+KsVaq+KKx00r6Sn4miZ7AciTh nN4xkUvpd6rf1Tne4S9AvmPFXOX8HPyHmnk/erteTMhJ6kGNMPMkiwy4LFWY+lOyKlho GSx0dBRbzyVXPIyQtxNkRq/gMsy0gNLeq8hAK+kMFRJTup1lp60DIUb8UgEFPBKwfVuo kr6I8f3AURnszjzPQ3O7Fn0ywlC1OUbkiL7mlG2V2kgNz8GFVd7nQzTPbfDScrlIqwKI wj6B51WKmkse9KPoH1GxOZAg6N8htGFu/aqC6mUM1cywIRHNE+ls94U/PLMnEATGvgo/ xinw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.170.90.68 with SMTP id h65mr6591101yka.94.1417615386079; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 06:03:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.170.90.131 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 06:03:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <CAAdA2WOJpqHkVe9dea-8_AXEWOYKwNRtr9ZQ6hei7X1pvZbD7g@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAAdA2WO2g7e48kJc8=oQ=pKYUDNwX2obV5WnzupC8gmT5xiPFQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAOgwaMtPFsNNM9reg5iRSjO5At09dbU7V-Kg=D9hcHxtEi3znw@mail.gmail.com> <CAAdA2WMFi2p_sOraRTM1HSMt_bfUj3ragaGtm7NrZnPgwaMtMg@mail.gmail.com> <CAOgwaMtmVixcEXHq1Y2wat1p2XWY5JE1ytaFzBnew8198cK+tg@mail.gmail.com> <CAAdA2WOJpqHkVe9dea-8_AXEWOYKwNRtr9ZQ6hei7X1pvZbD7g@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 06:03:05 -0800 Message-ID: <CAOgwaMt8B31-XjNU4=70gsNgpN1UDqxHWe0UBa9h+tQU9xPyCQ@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: How to manually compile on FreeBSD 10.x From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk <m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com> To: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: questions <questions@freebsd.org>, User Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:03:07 -0000 On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 5:57 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Mehmet, > > You perhaps did not understand my question or I wasn't clear. > > On previous versions of FreeBSD, issues with compilers have never been an > issue. However from FreeBSD 10, a lot has changed and it appears someone > needs to manually install a compiler. > > I went around my problem by: > > cd /usr/bin > ln -s clang++ gcc > > Then I went into my tarball and did the configure/make/make install but > the compiler made so much noise that I am not even sure the application > will run as expected. > This is what i am trying to grasp from the people familiar with and using > FreeBSD 10.x. I did not need all those wikipedia entries:) > > > > > On 3 December 2014 at 16:52, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk < > m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 5:37 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> On 3 December 2014 at 16:33, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk < >>> m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 3:09 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com >>>> > >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Hi guys, >>>> > >>>> > What do I need to install on FreeBSD 10 to enable me compile stuff by >>>> hand? >>>> > >>>> > [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# uname -a >>>> > FreeBSD admin.cnet.co.za 10.0-RELEASE-p12 FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE-p12 >>>> #0: Tue >>>> > Nov 4 04:15:03 UTC 2014 >>>> > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC >>>> > i386 >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > [root@admin ~/Exim]# cp Makefile-Exim-4.85x.txt exim-4.85_RC2/L >>>> > LICENCE LICENSE.opendmarc Local/ >>>> > [root@admin ~/Exim]# cp Makefile-Exim-4.85x.txt >>>> > exim-4.85_RC2/Local/Makefile >>>> > [root@admin ~/Exim]# cd exim-4.85_RC2 >>>> > [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# make >>>> > /bin/sh scripts/source_checks >>>> > >>>> > >>> Creating links to source files... >>>> > >>> Creating lookups/Makefile for building dynamic modules >>>> > >>> New Makefile & lookups/Makefile installed >>>> > >>> Use "make makefile" if you need to force rebuilding of the >>>> makefile >>>> > >>>> > */bin/sh ../scripts/Configure-os.h* >>>> > */bin/sh ../scripts/Configure-os.c* >>>> > *gcc buildconfig.c* >>>> > *make[1]: exec(gcc) failed (No such file or directory)* >>>> > **** Error code 1* >>>> > >>>> > Stop. >>>> > make[1]: stopped in /root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2/build-FreeBSD-i386 >>>> > *** Error code 1 >>>> > >>>> > Stop. >>>> > make: stopped in /root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2 >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Best regards, >>>> > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >>>> > Nairobi,KE >>>> > +254733744121/+254722743223 >>>> > "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> What does >>>> >>>> "compile stuff by hand" >>>> >>>> mean ? >>>> >>>> >>> Download tarball >>> Extract tarball >>> ./configure --with-your-favorite-opts >>> make >>> make install >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >>> Nairobi,KE >>> +254733744121/+254722743223 >>> "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." >>> >> >> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Build_automation >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_build_automation_software >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Build_automation >> >> >> If a suitable software exists for you in the Ports/Packages you may use >> it , >> otherwise it may be necessary to download related sources of your >> selected software >> and compile and use it . >> >> For some projects supplying tarballs , they may also supply a Version >> Control Facility >> such as Subversion or Git which you may continuously upgrade your system >> incrementally by using a clone of their Version Control Facility. >> >> >> Thank you very much . >> >> Mehmet Erol Sanliturk >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." > Now your question is very clear . My response was not to that question . I am very sorry my wrong understanding . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 14:09:37 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9F099F3; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 14:09:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relaygateway01.edpnet.net (relaygateway01.edpnet.net [212.71.1.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C30FED4A; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 14:09:35 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtUEAGgBf1TV04h3/2dsb2JhbABag1hYgwXDOgqFR1ACgSsBAQEBAX2EAgEBAQMBAQEBICsIGAsQCxgJEw4CAg8FDQYBCQgkCAcEARwEhn+BCQMJDQm/IJBdDUmFLAEBAQcBAQEBAR2KWoNWgWUBAU8HgjI/EiGBHgWOBYYgg15kgXEBgSI4hjSDXoINgjSDaYN5PjABBoEFgTkBAQE X-IPAS-Result: AtUEAGgBf1TV04h3/2dsb2JhbABag1hYgwXDOgqFR1ACgSsBAQEBAX2EAgEBAQMBAQEBICsIGAsQCxgJEw4CAg8FDQYBCQgkCAcEARwEhn+BCQMJDQm/IJBdDUmFLAEBAQcBAQEBAR2KWoNWgWUBAU8HgjI/EiGBHgWOBYYgg15kgXEBgSI4hjSDXoINgjSDaYN5PjABBoEFgTkBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,508,1413237600"; d="scan'208";a="291096881" Received: from 213.211.136.119.static.edpnet.net (HELO mordor.lan) ([213.211.136.119]) by relaygateway01.edpnet.net with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 03 Dec 2014 14:33:16 +0100 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 15:09:27 +0100 From: Julien Cigar <jcigar@ulb.ac.be> To: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: How to manually compile on FreeBSD 10.x Message-ID: <20141203140927.GC23042@mordor.lan> References: <CAAdA2WO2g7e48kJc8=oQ=pKYUDNwX2obV5WnzupC8gmT5xiPFQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAOgwaMtPFsNNM9reg5iRSjO5At09dbU7V-Kg=D9hcHxtEi3znw@mail.gmail.com> <CAAdA2WMFi2p_sOraRTM1HSMt_bfUj3ragaGtm7NrZnPgwaMtMg@mail.gmail.com> <CAOgwaMtmVixcEXHq1Y2wat1p2XWY5JE1ytaFzBnew8198cK+tg@mail.gmail.com> <CAAdA2WOJpqHkVe9dea-8_AXEWOYKwNRtr9ZQ6hei7X1pvZbD7g@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="WfZ7S8PLGjBY9Voh" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <CAAdA2WOJpqHkVe9dea-8_AXEWOYKwNRtr9ZQ6hei7X1pvZbD7g@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: questions <questions@freebsd.org>, User Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:09:37 -0000 --WfZ7S8PLGjBY9Voh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 04:57:58PM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > Hi Mehmet, >=20 > You perhaps did not understand my question or I wasn't clear. >=20 > On previous versions of FreeBSD, issues with compilers have never been an > issue. However from FreeBSD 10, a lot has changed and it appears someone > needs to manually install a compiler. GCC has been removed from BASE in FreeBSD 10+ (and replaced by CLANG) >=20 > I went around my problem by: >=20 > cd /usr/bin > ln -s clang++ gcc that's a very bad idea.. You should install gcc from ports or force=20 CXX=3Dclang++ in the Makefile (or in the env). also I don't understand why you're not using the port (mail/exim) ? >=20 > Then I went into my tarball and did the configure/make/make install but t= he > compiler made so much noise that I am not even sure the application will > run as expected. > This is what i am trying to grasp from the people familiar with and using > FreeBSD 10.x. I did not need all those wikipedia entries:) >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 3 December 2014 at 16:52, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk <m.e.sanliturk@gmail.c= om> > wrote: >=20 > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 5:37 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> > >> On 3 December 2014 at 16:33, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk < > >> m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 3:09 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.c= om> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > Hi guys, > >>> > > >>> > What do I need to install on FreeBSD 10 to enable me compile stuff = by > >>> hand? > >>> > > >>> > [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# uname -a > >>> > FreeBSD admin.cnet.co.za 10.0-RELEASE-p12 FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE-p12 > >>> #0: Tue > >>> > Nov 4 04:15:03 UTC 2014 > >>> > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC > >>> > i386 > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > [root@admin ~/Exim]# cp Makefile-Exim-4.85x.txt exim-4.85_RC2/L > >>> > LICENCE LICENSE.opendmarc Local/ > >>> > [root@admin ~/Exim]# cp Makefile-Exim-4.85x.txt > >>> > exim-4.85_RC2/Local/Makefile > >>> > [root@admin ~/Exim]# cd exim-4.85_RC2 > >>> > [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# make > >>> > /bin/sh scripts/source_checks > >>> > > >>> > >>> Creating links to source files... > >>> > >>> Creating lookups/Makefile for building dynamic modules > >>> > >>> New Makefile & lookups/Makefile installed > >>> > >>> Use "make makefile" if you need to force rebuilding of the make= file > >>> > > >>> > */bin/sh ../scripts/Configure-os.h* > >>> > */bin/sh ../scripts/Configure-os.c* > >>> > *gcc buildconfig.c* > >>> > *make[1]: exec(gcc) failed (No such file or directory)* > >>> > **** Error code 1* > >>> > > >>> > Stop. > >>> > make[1]: stopped in /root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2/build-FreeBSD-i386 > >>> > *** Error code 1 > >>> > > >>> > Stop. > >>> > make: stopped in /root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2 > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > -- > >>> > Best regards, > >>> > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > >>> > Nairobi,KE > >>> > +254733744121/+254722743223 > >>> > "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> What does > >>> > >>> "compile stuff by hand" > >>> > >>> mean ? > >>> > >>> > >> Download tarball > >> Extract tarball > >> ./configure --with-your-favorite-opts > >> make > >> make install > >> > >> > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Best regards, > >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > >> Nairobi,KE > >> +254733744121/+254722743223 > >> "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." > >> > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Build_automation > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_build_automation_software > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Build_automation > > > > > > If a suitable software exists for you in the Ports/Packages you may use= it > > , > > otherwise it may be necessary to download related sources of your selec= ted > > software > > and compile and use it . > > > > For some projects supplying tarballs , they may also supply a Version > > Control Facility > > such as Subversion or Git which you may continuously upgrade your system > > incrementally by using a clone of their Version Control Facility. > > > > > > Thank you very much . > > > > Mehmet Erol Sanliturk > > > > > > > > > > >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" --=20 Julien Cigar Belgian Biodiversity Platform (http://www.biodiversity.be) PGP fingerprint: EEF9 F697 4B68 D275 7B11 6A25 B2BB 3710 A204 23C0 No trees were killed in the creation of this message. However, many electrons were terribly inconvenienced. --WfZ7S8PLGjBY9Voh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAABCgAGBQJUfxmXAAoJEAi2KiTKQR5pPTAP/1+alYBzo8aTCVQ/b2YnQfiV bs1MNj6EnUl8yM8zFy4FVeg3GKB/OfR8vwa900TnON5Oq3egsVgQ8aq/mcs9Gl2A R492E8b5snDvebEldliN+yRF/In2UWIdnG6yvyCCQ1+UJAGC31Kh2jZR/oVRVWI6 lYgWRaS8yPv9DPbdUyzBT+PkVukLat5HoF5rK0A4PvVPghinwLh2RdPB1IPh4GTi vVXJqzXwgypzqim8r487yiwh5+ttYAc3cVrMx1e3cBGSzrEMNGIeFJeGbto70+6X 20ZVCe1piqVNjRyh5A10KwtFtKjyr1e3mVWHBq4u+7MFPct1pQeakmmlEHo0RMCB EH0JrFBEURLUDpgoS5xlhMnqfPmJBx2SOkT+g3JG3eGthcnAYEjXttIBPUtU17tc zyO3GeRm1Kxw0T7pL7JIp8tEeDT5tYpDhj4jvXCpROyxvGhCYGdg/M3T6Ip6H5Vo 0RWke45lznHOP+pMjUqUROWxH86vhcCdFGOIEPbqHy7OBHLjNA+HCep8suwlo285 Pj0AW+Rihlr+AiKKjk9FAaYjcUMoQssC45ck3JaEFV1i07ZibDxR6quuzPq8f4l+ MvcZ1yTBEuZhpJa57FxDzmcHaGYWwe9ZChrCC955I6ZWB0GCKg0hOy+fFQHkxR41 HlhI0NSRwrBaFtBAEiYw =rrW9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WfZ7S8PLGjBY9Voh-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 14:21:48 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B14CBAB; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 14:21:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-x232.google.com (mail-lb0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9AB8CEF9; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 14:21:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f178.google.com with SMTP id f15so13371441lbj.23 for <multiple recipients>; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 06:21:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=Y6fVxDNCX7749kH3ae5cf+LROP4lpy/FNFHgrr4cXHE=; b=ufxc9WJ8DZ2gEeRQLwWYXLx9a4K3I4LNSZSjwlqyKkl0sckQEFalNmeNtJpXN01XgM dBDcYRiVjKZn9iIY9T5SfRrW3eq1rGu7jW+QLANdN2avRJHzAYkCiQ7NHfkEZjRcxbBE U4Vufnj11boqraF3Q0Iu+hqHl0Ziel/3vDWf2kvLQiPGH/PWz+hb3Tb/vdYSWJ0/r4eB w2WC17fOwj1o2gCk418BL638ItxVNHjYYLYUWCTtfsnBsGkFmcdpHQOgz985GpLMLSEJ 6Ks/xGdkm6F3fEnZxHhM5DizgzO6MG85EmbUpLtzPkh+yvbF1gjgz26wKdCZJZ+RhjJD 8Gaw== X-Received: by 10.152.28.131 with SMTP id b3mr4761226lah.12.1417616505620; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 06:21:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.53.72 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 06:21:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20141203140927.GC23042@mordor.lan> References: <CAAdA2WO2g7e48kJc8=oQ=pKYUDNwX2obV5WnzupC8gmT5xiPFQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAOgwaMtPFsNNM9reg5iRSjO5At09dbU7V-Kg=D9hcHxtEi3znw@mail.gmail.com> <CAAdA2WMFi2p_sOraRTM1HSMt_bfUj3ragaGtm7NrZnPgwaMtMg@mail.gmail.com> <CAOgwaMtmVixcEXHq1Y2wat1p2XWY5JE1ytaFzBnew8198cK+tg@mail.gmail.com> <CAAdA2WOJpqHkVe9dea-8_AXEWOYKwNRtr9ZQ6hei7X1pvZbD7g@mail.gmail.com> <20141203140927.GC23042@mordor.lan> From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 17:21:05 +0300 Message-ID: <CAAdA2WM8s9CGN6HSe3oV=W+RriTLmX6X1WtsAvsGkKKnGxB3AQ@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: How to manually compile on FreeBSD 10.x To: Julien Cigar <jcigar@ulb.ac.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: questions <questions@freebsd.org>, User Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:21:48 -0000 On 3 December 2014 at 17:09, Julien Cigar <jcigar@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 04:57:58PM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > Hi Mehmet, > > > > You perhaps did not understand my question or I wasn't clear. > > > > On previous versions of FreeBSD, issues with compilers have never been an > > issue. However from FreeBSD 10, a lot has changed and it appears someone > > needs to manually install a compiler. > > GCC has been removed from BASE in FreeBSD 10+ (and replaced by CLANG) > > > > > I went around my problem by: > > > > cd /usr/bin > > ln -s clang++ gcc > > that's a very bad idea.. You should install gcc from ports or force > CXX=clang++ in the Makefile (or in the env). > > also I don't understand why you're not using the port (mail/exim) ? > Hi Julien, That very bad idea came from http://stackoverflow.com/questions/23180725/how-to-install-g-on-freebsd :-) There is also the option to install gcc from the ports, but I went for the shortcut of symlink because of obvious reasons - not knowing what is the best. So I have done away with the symlink. [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# export CXX=clang++ (I even added it to /etc/make.conf) [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# make /bin/sh scripts/source_checks `Makefile' is up to date. gcc buildconfig.c make[1]: exec(gcc) failed (No such file or directory) *** Error code 1 Stop. make[1]: stopped in /root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2/build-FreeBSD-i386 *** Error code 1 Stop. make: stopped in /root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2 [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# The reason I am not using the port is because I want to test the current version of Exim. What is the best way to handle this? Step-by-step please. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 14:31:11 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5BA5D4B for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 14:31:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm25-vm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm25-vm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.35]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8ECCF5B for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 14:31:10 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.es; s=s2048; t=1417617066; bh=P0RlJUoxAY34xIWiMI6yo3HHLulhjuJyRhQZuXWPW+8=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=uk+cG8FHPOs6KCUGIkNxhkhFEL4fIYhEB0V3nB0YaykRzKdZ3MCbILDue70ADoO1oIkGwgp6T/5QghNMClsFv2uNENKoh1qBXUkO7OhTWR6xHvzpnezblOmwGTgOxkFPO9qBGCH8J7bUJijrCKK4jiDTnPgchhvy/EWHcIf+Yk7bv260vBuUghbSsffnBL8YUqeTuK5Oar5uoC1x6AB91KRH0gdnZwcNCfYd6/qd/X5l9g74ZQOsFsPgqzYPvSJhq39FHajcUliazkRjPfiW78Lk010+jrd0n+FdN9XnNcuOM5XuJZVQzBRhxxMOc+9X5Fwvw0SvUGtQR2l/bT7/Cw== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=yahoo.es; b=KZsrmjGpOwsWixZgBQf0NU4wQcfdm3fGgR55qYKs5QRqUo9uunmqNI6MORrKLP3m67UdDWx8QW/BO3EnMpwh5c0GP82nVB0cR0zquKsBj5UAtJDH8254rnMT/rCT+IZoHgrZ9M4S0Rx/MnSK9ucT/uB2bu5qsdb394fDNEeFNtOEz7PHK2d5o97GflnOUytb8PhC1aPw0a2JSgGBmymA5bgJe81v1qR5PrDHNXVBFJ/tcySgg1/WlVaeTujJsPSG6/LCHQYX5OvrWeW2I6cigw+AvF8fgClhqK3exUfX0inTsGZzU1S1taDzBrMpQBd5dveRjSrfVHQVDAa3bByxTg==; Received: from [212.82.98.50] by nm25.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2014 14:31:06 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.83] by tm3.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2014 14:31:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp120.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2014 14:31:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 728683.82105.bm@smtp120.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: fH0GnCYVM1nQ.HzA3Y3_JPHiX60DqY6_HV2FBod89eUv4L9 QItgB7OguP286BVv8Q2DvdVLYmjFARn1LpcE8gRy1mPkrvapZvVkmn1qcz1m doWXhqmGjcN7sIRw8aaF7U2SlUW7feau.Rej0FQXQntLDgXxex_cjNmAmGEb oZypiexqt06UvqP2YY5El5YZFAN4m.IhPrQuA30VbBsaZueQx2BNdkzVgZ__ ROo_Rim_kv3C3jlNJNfpjfU1madvz4mOJc6KvaFMD.cuODWwafllmRWfZHMW tjBSyR6jVMB3uhC8os0Mswvp.qP5tT2Bfd0b2Jyd8IJVtDhNv6qM3Pb_ypNA kKOJi6AyZqL_aU5RI35GZw3rgsxpDPxjTX9_wiOf_37Uot5jhYOtXU_tNN83 J.mntT9cbyPd121FlqQVJhvl391FZey2wa6cjH_11nLjYFbLz8TZSvVF0dtG jml9ki_ularkKuR_1j2iYyLNOW.UT6seMLpVayXxe5EigsSiKLTb7RVb68Ge bnN8ydu1Cl_bRkWk300W6zM7uZ6wmzylFj1oerlYXzYPJil1usxFo26rBILI I X-Yahoo-SMTP: mX392iiswBAeJNdO_s.EW62LZDJR Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 15:31:08 +0100 From: Eduardo Morras <emorrasg@yahoo.es> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to manually compile on FreeBSD 10.x Message-Id: <20141203153108.3135c226895c2724871330e9@yahoo.es> In-Reply-To: <CAAdA2WO2g7e48kJc8=oQ=pKYUDNwX2obV5WnzupC8gmT5xiPFQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAAdA2WO2g7e48kJc8=oQ=pKYUDNwX2obV5WnzupC8gmT5xiPFQ@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.4.2 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:31:11 -0000 On Wed, 3 Dec 2014 14:09:31 +0300 Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi guys, > > What do I need to install on FreeBSD 10 to enable me compile stuff by > hand? > > [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# uname -a > FreeBSD admin.cnet.co.za 10.0-RELEASE-p12 FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE-p12 > #0: Tue Nov 4 04:15:03 UTC 2014 > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC > i386 > > > > [root@admin ~/Exim]# cp Makefile-Exim-4.85x.txt exim-4.85_RC2/L > LICENCE LICENSE.opendmarc Local/ > [root@admin ~/Exim]# cp Makefile-Exim-4.85x.txt > exim-4.85_RC2/Local/Makefile [root@admin ~/Exim]# cd exim-4.85_RC2 > [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# make > /bin/sh scripts/source_checks > > >>> Creating links to source files... > >>> Creating lookups/Makefile for building dynamic modules > >>> New Makefile & lookups/Makefile installed > >>> Use "make makefile" if you need to force rebuilding of the > >>> makefile > > */bin/sh ../scripts/Configure-os.h* > */bin/sh ../scripts/Configure-os.c* > *gcc buildconfig.c* > *make[1]: exec(gcc) failed (No such file or directory)* > **** Error code 1* > > Stop. > make[1]: stopped in /root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2/build-FreeBSD-i386 > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > make: stopped in /root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2 FreeBSD 10 has a new make, bmake, before we used pmake and both use a different syntax to gnu make. Try using gmake instead make. If gmake isn't installed, go to /usr/ports/devel/gmake as root, and type 'make install' to install it. HTH --- --- Eduardo Morras <emorrasg@yahoo.es> From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 14:46:01 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E73F61FC; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 14:46:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relaygateway01.edpnet.net (relaygateway01.edpnet.net [212.71.1.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A611A4; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 14:46:00 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEIAGgBf1TV04h3/2dsb2JhbABag1hYAYMEwzoMhhUCgSsBAQEBAX2EAgEBAQMBIzMjBQsLGAkTDgICDwUlJBOINQ0JvyCRM4UsAQEBBwEBAQEekBUBAU8HgjI/EiGBHgWOBYYghjMBgSI4gnWDP4wIg3k+MIEMgTkBAQE X-IPAS-Result: AgEIAGgBf1TV04h3/2dsb2JhbABag1hYAYMEwzoMhhUCgSsBAQEBAX2EAgEBAQMBIzMjBQsLGAkTDgICDwUlJBOINQ0JvyCRM4UsAQEBBwEBAQEekBUBAU8HgjI/EiGBHgWOBYYghjMBgSI4gnWDP4wIg3k+MIEMgTkBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,508,1413237600"; d="scan'208";a="291124342" Received: from 213.211.136.119.static.edpnet.net (HELO mordor.lan) ([213.211.136.119]) by relaygateway01.edpnet.net with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 03 Dec 2014 15:06:19 +0100 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 15:42:30 +0100 From: Julien Cigar <jcigar@ulb.ac.be> To: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: How to manually compile on FreeBSD 10.x Message-ID: <20141203144230.GE23042@mordor.lan> References: <CAAdA2WO2g7e48kJc8=oQ=pKYUDNwX2obV5WnzupC8gmT5xiPFQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAOgwaMtPFsNNM9reg5iRSjO5At09dbU7V-Kg=D9hcHxtEi3znw@mail.gmail.com> <CAAdA2WMFi2p_sOraRTM1HSMt_bfUj3ragaGtm7NrZnPgwaMtMg@mail.gmail.com> <CAOgwaMtmVixcEXHq1Y2wat1p2XWY5JE1ytaFzBnew8198cK+tg@mail.gmail.com> <CAAdA2WOJpqHkVe9dea-8_AXEWOYKwNRtr9ZQ6hei7X1pvZbD7g@mail.gmail.com> <20141203140927.GC23042@mordor.lan> <CAAdA2WM8s9CGN6HSe3oV=W+RriTLmX6X1WtsAvsGkKKnGxB3AQ@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lteA1dqeVaWQ9QQl" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <CAAdA2WM8s9CGN6HSe3oV=W+RriTLmX6X1WtsAvsGkKKnGxB3AQ@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: questions <questions@freebsd.org>, User Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:46:02 -0000 --lteA1dqeVaWQ9QQl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 05:21:05PM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > On 3 December 2014 at 17:09, Julien Cigar <jcigar@ulb.ac.be> wrote: >=20 > > On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 04:57:58PM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > Hi Mehmet, > > > > > > You perhaps did not understand my question or I wasn't clear. > > > > > > On previous versions of FreeBSD, issues with compilers have never bee= n an > > > issue. However from FreeBSD 10, a lot has changed and it appears some= one > > > needs to manually install a compiler. > > > > GCC has been removed from BASE in FreeBSD 10+ (and replaced by CLANG) > > > > > > > > I went around my problem by: > > > > > > cd /usr/bin > > > ln -s clang++ gcc > > > > that's a very bad idea.. You should install gcc from ports or force > > CXX=3Dclang++ in the Makefile (or in the env). > > > > also I don't understand why you're not using the port (mail/exim) ? > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hi Julien, >=20 > That very bad idea came from > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/23180725/how-to-install-g-on-freebsd := -) > There is also the option to install gcc from the ports, but I went for the > shortcut of symlink because of obvious reasons - not knowing what is the > best. >=20 beware of stackoverflow.com, it's full of mistakes, don't trust it the answer that says "It was renamed in FreeBSD 10. Fixed by creating symlink in /usr/bin:" is just plain wrong.. GCC is not CLANG >=20 > So I have done away with the symlink. >=20 > [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# export CXX=3Dclang++ (I even added it = to > /etc/make.conf) > [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# make > /bin/sh scripts/source_checks > `Makefile' is up to date. >=20 > gcc buildconfig.c > make[1]: exec(gcc) failed (No such file or directory) > *** Error code 1 >=20 > Stop. > make[1]: stopped in /root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2/build-FreeBSD-i386 > *** Error code 1 >=20 > Stop. > make: stopped in /root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2 > [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# >=20 you should install GCC from ports, for example lang/gcc (which install gcc 4.8) and do an $> export CC=3Dgcc48 > The reason I am not using the port is because I want to test the current > version of Exim. >=20 > What is the best way to handle this? Step-by-step please. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." --=20 Julien Cigar Belgian Biodiversity Platform (http://www.biodiversity.be) PGP fingerprint: EEF9 F697 4B68 D275 7B11 6A25 B2BB 3710 A204 23C0 No trees were killed in the creation of this message. 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> > > > [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# uname -a > > FreeBSD admin.cnet.co.za 10.0-RELEASE-p12 FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE-p12 > > #0: Tue Nov 4 04:15:03 UTC 2014 > > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC > > i386 > > > > > > > > [root@admin ~/Exim]# cp Makefile-Exim-4.85x.txt exim-4.85_RC2/L > > LICENCE LICENSE.opendmarc Local/ > > [root@admin ~/Exim]# cp Makefile-Exim-4.85x.txt > > exim-4.85_RC2/Local/Makefile [root@admin ~/Exim]# cd exim-4.85_RC2 > > [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# make > > /bin/sh scripts/source_checks > > > > >>> Creating links to source files... > > >>> Creating lookups/Makefile for building dynamic modules > > >>> New Makefile & lookups/Makefile installed > > >>> Use "make makefile" if you need to force rebuilding of the > > >>> makefile > > > > */bin/sh ../scripts/Configure-os.h* > > */bin/sh ../scripts/Configure-os.c* > > *gcc buildconfig.c* > > *make[1]: exec(gcc) failed (No such file or directory)* > > **** Error code 1* > > > > Stop. > > make[1]: stopped in /root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2/build-FreeBSD-i386 > > *** Error code 1 > > > > Stop. > > make: stopped in /root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2 > > FreeBSD 10 has a new make, bmake, before we used pmake and both use a > different syntax to gnu make. Try using gmake instead make. > > If gmake isn't installed, go to /usr/ports/devel/gmake as root, and type > 'make install' to install it. > [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# make clean *** "make clean" just removes all .o and .a files *** Use "make makefile" to force a rebuild of the makefile cd build-${build:-`/bin/sh scripts/os-type`-`/bin/sh scripts/arch-type`}; /bin/rm -f *.o lookups/*.o lookups/*.a auths/*.o auths/*.a routers/*. o routers/*.a transports/*.o transports/*.a pdkim/*.o pdkim/*.a [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# gmake /bin/sh scripts/source_checks `Makefile' is up to date. gmake[1]: Entering directory '/root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2/build-FreeBSD-i386' Makefile:44: *** missing separator. Stop. gmake[1]: Leaving directory '/root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2/build-FreeBSD-i386' Makefile:29: recipe for target 'all' failed gmake: *** [all] Error 2 So that is NOT helping still.. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 15:10:28 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D0AD2AA6; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 15:10:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-x231.google.com (mail-la0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::231]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A80A6BB; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 15:10:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f49.google.com with SMTP id hs14so12425964lab.22 for <multiple recipients>; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 07:10:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=CAnYtc59gvcIBiKBIfNEX+fAO9BES6UUR4XrIaycx68=; b=SKoMzMfs25SW6RwTD3WQch8rySDdyhUnH4or0Zwcfo28l1Gv45UNp0pFg2CTGlM7hT xPppJ7qVDF4kZ03yyWvQ4rUInx/ueodqDbEFSOvnukhXmepSiM858/qslmZUA1ZOvtrx o1tbrv34iFNldxRBNXkGg/bImcy7JWuyUgRjbGXn0tpAeI9v/9D3rOeBg31g8GCg/CZu 7JAdR9aa45i6AOkmFdvFMDK927O+pKG0JpDta4LSKnsP+Qo/W1OcpFZCeMNNgOLPMgp7 TXmeDhDrgAMl8DHSkxpXLCIaXWDdc1qbVD+BOyukbNKRaxC1tGB6/fWx2Qnz48dRx3f0 sQTg== X-Received: by 10.112.142.197 with SMTP id ry5mr4878080lbb.26.1417619426301; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 07:10:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.53.72 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 07:09:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20141203144230.GE23042@mordor.lan> References: <CAAdA2WO2g7e48kJc8=oQ=pKYUDNwX2obV5WnzupC8gmT5xiPFQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAOgwaMtPFsNNM9reg5iRSjO5At09dbU7V-Kg=D9hcHxtEi3znw@mail.gmail.com> <CAAdA2WMFi2p_sOraRTM1HSMt_bfUj3ragaGtm7NrZnPgwaMtMg@mail.gmail.com> <CAOgwaMtmVixcEXHq1Y2wat1p2XWY5JE1ytaFzBnew8198cK+tg@mail.gmail.com> <CAAdA2WOJpqHkVe9dea-8_AXEWOYKwNRtr9ZQ6hei7X1pvZbD7g@mail.gmail.com> <20141203140927.GC23042@mordor.lan> <CAAdA2WM8s9CGN6HSe3oV=W+RriTLmX6X1WtsAvsGkKKnGxB3AQ@mail.gmail.com> <20141203144230.GE23042@mordor.lan> From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 18:09:46 +0300 Message-ID: <CAAdA2WNrgNcMOS2k5B8hmnW5=Fh9bSb1u_S-5UVVE9LxAPFSvg@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: How to manually compile on FreeBSD 10.x To: Julien Cigar <jcigar@ulb.ac.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: questions <questions@freebsd.org>, User Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:10:28 -0000 On 3 December 2014 at 17:42, Julien Cigar <jcigar@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 05:21:05PM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > On 3 December 2014 at 17:09, Julien Cigar <jcigar@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 04:57:58PM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > Hi Mehmet, > > > > > > > > You perhaps did not understand my question or I wasn't clear. > > > > > > > > On previous versions of FreeBSD, issues with compilers have never > been an > > > > issue. However from FreeBSD 10, a lot has changed and it appears > someone > > > > needs to manually install a compiler. > > > > > > GCC has been removed from BASE in FreeBSD 10+ (and replaced by CLANG) > > > > > > > > > > > I went around my problem by: > > > > > > > > cd /usr/bin > > > > ln -s clang++ gcc > > > > > > that's a very bad idea.. You should install gcc from ports or force > > > CXX=clang++ in the Makefile (or in the env). > > > > > > also I don't understand why you're not using the port (mail/exim) ? > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Julien, > > > > That very bad idea came from > > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/23180725/how-to-install-g-on-freebsd > :-) > > There is also the option to install gcc from the ports, but I went for > the > > shortcut of symlink because of obvious reasons - not knowing what is the > > best. > > > > beware of stackoverflow.com, it's full of mistakes, don't trust it > > the answer that says "It was renamed in FreeBSD 10. Fixed by creating > symlink in /usr/bin:" is just plain wrong.. GCC is not CLANG > > > > > So I have done away with the symlink. > > > > [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# export CXX=clang++ (I even added it > to > > /etc/make.conf) > > [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# make > > /bin/sh scripts/source_checks > > `Makefile' is up to date. > > > > gcc buildconfig.c > > make[1]: exec(gcc) failed (No such file or directory) > > *** Error code 1 > > > > Stop. > > make[1]: stopped in /root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2/build-FreeBSD-i386 > > *** Error code 1 > > > > Stop. > > make: stopped in /root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2 > > [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# > > > > you should install GCC from ports, for example lang/gcc (which install > gcc 4.8) and do an $> export CC=gcc48 > Hi Julien, Can I stick that to /etc/make.conf or that isn't relevant anymore? Sometimes I think I will just stick at FreeBSD-9.x because these changes on 10.x are proving hard to catch up with if you do not follow -current mailing list:( -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 15:16:31 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFE5FDFF for <questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 15:16:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6EF07802 for <questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 15:16:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sB3FGTdt000993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 3 Dec 2014 08:16:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id sB3FGTaR000990; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 08:16:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 08:16:29 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com> To: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: How to manually compile on FreeBSD 10.x In-Reply-To: <CAAdA2WO2g7e48kJc8=oQ=pKYUDNwX2obV5WnzupC8gmT5xiPFQ@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.11.1412030810440.84718@wonkity.com> References: <CAAdA2WO2g7e48kJc8=oQ=pKYUDNwX2obV5WnzupC8gmT5xiPFQ@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 03 Dec 2014 08:16:30 -0700 (MST) Cc: questions <questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:16:31 -0000 On Wed, 3 Dec 2014, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > What do I need to install on FreeBSD 10 to enable me compile stuff by hand? > > [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# uname -a > FreeBSD admin.cnet.co.za 10.0-RELEASE-p12 FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE-p12 #0: Tue > Nov 4 04:15:03 UTC 2014 > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC > i386 I would suggest using the mail/exim port as a framework. 'make missing' in that port will show all the dependencies that are not already installed. For simple ports, changing the version in the Makefile and recreating the checksum file is enough. Exim is likely not that simple. There are lots of FreeBSD patch files for the 4.84 version. Some of those might need to be changed or deleted. Still, the port is a good reference for what will be needed. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 15:23:33 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84AC9346 for <questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 15:23:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-x22d.google.com (mail-lb0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::22d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05EB691E for <questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 15:23:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f173.google.com with SMTP id z12so12222658lbi.4 for <questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 07:23:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=j0Re1j52Gp9Ck+WTCgkIU4L9MrY0c9WO/msPCm5iX30=; b=Nm7NY3Ut9Nycwcv5/DXE5tCIL2JOJ3+EqGjq4ak4w3cM37RwQt7d9nWsGQgTe4UZaG 5UywqO+EUDsvljHUnK1pOwFCaRziRVKu4/ArLsdzloOQM3qArdtiu9lisFY7AwrEG/+6 UVWrizv5T+JnBuzymnet/ZA5P+OYiorRffsgd1ikbZ6fUIK2aBcMzQn9CHi2ibcHfizf nBE93EJrXXzNAu6gNLftEZ54RpIeGP2nh/3f88Wxmw9YoaMpZAdyHLlC0MOrAwHZTbJk ESl9v4cy+MNFukaekNA9g+nFOWXL1s6VoazVmrFAiB++8tC7MYPU0FPv4FaycByASz10 4vDA== X-Received: by 10.112.142.197 with SMTP id ry5mr4933483lbb.26.1417620210085; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 07:23:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.53.72 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 07:22:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.11.1412030810440.84718@wonkity.com> References: <CAAdA2WO2g7e48kJc8=oQ=pKYUDNwX2obV5WnzupC8gmT5xiPFQ@mail.gmail.com> <alpine.BSF.2.11.1412030810440.84718@wonkity.com> From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 18:22:49 +0300 Message-ID: <CAAdA2WPz5fJpEBG6610BQ865ecDxaQcMRG2GHeCyswaU7R2=PA@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: How to manually compile on FreeBSD 10.x To: Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: questions <questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:23:33 -0000 On 3 December 2014 at 18:16, Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com> wrote: > On Wed, 3 Dec 2014, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > What do I need to install on FreeBSD 10 to enable me compile stuff by >> hand? >> >> [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# uname -a >> FreeBSD admin.cnet.co.za 10.0-RELEASE-p12 FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE-p12 #0: >> Tue >> Nov 4 04:15:03 UTC 2014 >> root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC >> i386 >> > > I would suggest using the mail/exim port as a framework. 'make missing' > in that port will show all the dependencies that are not already installed. > Thanks for that clue. I will use it next time because now I am already installing gcc49. I initially installed mail/exim port and then did make deinstall. I had hoped that would fix the issues around the compiler but it didn't. Isn't it supposed to have done done when I did 'make install'? > > For simple ports, changing the version in the Makefile and recreating the > checksum file is enough. Exim is likely not that simple. There are lots > of FreeBSD patch files for the 4.84 version. Some of those might need to > be changed or deleted. Still, the port is a good reference for what will > be needed. > I am used to doing that a lot, but I did not want to do it this time. When running test versions, I am always comfortable doing it the way I am doing. For instance for exim I manually make my Local/Makefile for the tarball (cp src/EDITME Local/Makefile). For other applications, I always have a file I name build-local-vXX.sh which has my favorite options to pass to configure (./configure --opt --opt2 --optN). Life has been a little easier on earlier versions of FreeBSD until 10 came. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 15:28:04 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 85CBF59F for <questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 15:28:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19F7497D for <questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 15:28:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sB3FS2Hk003817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 3 Dec 2014 08:28:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id sB3FS2cl003814; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 08:28:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 08:28:02 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com> To: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: How to manually compile on FreeBSD 10.x In-Reply-To: <CAAdA2WPz5fJpEBG6610BQ865ecDxaQcMRG2GHeCyswaU7R2=PA@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.11.1412030825230.84718@wonkity.com> References: <CAAdA2WO2g7e48kJc8=oQ=pKYUDNwX2obV5WnzupC8gmT5xiPFQ@mail.gmail.com> <alpine.BSF.2.11.1412030810440.84718@wonkity.com> <CAAdA2WPz5fJpEBG6610BQ865ecDxaQcMRG2GHeCyswaU7R2=PA@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 03 Dec 2014 08:28:02 -0700 (MST) Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: questions <questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:28:04 -0000 On Wed, 3 Dec 2014, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > On 3 December 2014 at 18:16, Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com> wrote: > On Wed, 3 Dec 2014, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > What do I need to install on FreeBSD 10 to enable me compile stuff by hand? > > [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# uname -a > FreeBSD admin.cnet.co.za 10.0-RELEASE-p12 FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE-p12 #0: Tue > Nov  4 04:15:03 UTC 2014 > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC > i386 > > > I would suggest using the mail/exim port as a framework.  'make missing' in that port will show all the dependencies that are not already installed. > > > Thanks for that clue. I will use it next time because now I am already installing gcc49. I initially installed mail/exim port and then did make deinstall. I had hoped that would fix the > issues around the compiler but it didn't. Isn't it supposed to have done done when I did 'make install'? It will install all the dependencies, but they have to be called as they would from the port. gmake instead of make, for example, or gcc48 instead of cc or gcc, that type of thing. Some of what the port does might be hidden because so much is done by the Makefiles in /usr/ports/Mk. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 17:06:32 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F8993D9 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 17:06:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from planemo.joshualokken.com (planemo.joshualokken.com [192.184.92.135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34259CB5 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 17:06:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 0019cb2ce9ff.click-network.com ([131.191.16.14] helo=localhost) by planemo.joshualokken.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from <joshua@joshualokken.com>) id 1XwD3E-00050H-I1 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 08:45:18 -0800 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 08:45:55 -0800 From: Joshua Lokken <joshua@joshualokken.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to manually compile on FreeBSD 10.x Message-ID: <20141203164555.GA74507@satellite.workgroup.local> References: <CAAdA2WO2g7e48kJc8=oQ=pKYUDNwX2obV5WnzupC8gmT5xiPFQ@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <CAAdA2WO2g7e48kJc8=oQ=pKYUDNwX2obV5WnzupC8gmT5xiPFQ@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 17:06:32 -0000 --EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Dec/03 02:09PM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > Hi guys, >=20 > What do I need to install on FreeBSD 10 to enable me compile stuff by han= d? >=20 > [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# uname -a > FreeBSD admin.cnet.co.za 10.0-RELEASE-p12 FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE-p12 #0: Tue > Nov 4 04:15:03 UTC 2014 > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC > i386 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [root@admin ~/Exim]# cp Makefile-Exim-4.85x.txt exim-4.85_RC2/L > LICENCE LICENSE.opendmarc Local/ > [root@admin ~/Exim]# cp Makefile-Exim-4.85x.txt exim-4.85_RC2/Local/Makef= ile > [root@admin ~/Exim]# cd exim-4.85_RC2 > [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# make > /bin/sh scripts/source_checks >=20 > >>> Creating links to source files... > >>> Creating lookups/Makefile for building dynamic modules > >>> New Makefile & lookups/Makefile installed > >>> Use "make makefile" if you need to force rebuilding of the makefile >=20 > */bin/sh ../scripts/Configure-os.h* > */bin/sh ../scripts/Configure-os.c* > *gcc buildconfig.c* > *make[1]: exec(gcc) failed (No such file or directory)* > **** Error code 1* >=20 > Stop. > make[1]: stopped in /root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2/build-FreeBSD-i386 > *** Error code 1 >=20 > Stop. > make: stopped in /root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2 Short answer,=20 # ln -s /usr/local/bin/gcc48 /usr/local/bin/gcc should get the job done. -- Joshua --EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJUfz5DAAoJELtj8KItreanMZAQAIFiD4rFuOJkBs/cXHWq/XH2 jdnTQuymT07hpCd6HH3qX0rSfVz1E2movvUu2rWbigUTM0OCaHphzcQ6tbzGRWkz jKM0+35iWbU3JGX3zXBC9KhOrppTVdAuXMiX9MmpGix7a2l33gqsf5+c1SzbMfzQ RI6pmH+/D1OvHerARxbrGtF+rw3XVseEolkm8Ij5AeYcUlQORYlh9U3HW5kL8KLF TfYX65mv8ruh22tUXlFw98eKvG3hxFQPcdIkswenkvz/I6JVm/WM2m0Hcb7YgsQs cnhF0RADA2olDv1ij14AkKwT5BFVo/wgRgiMtK27OEaYZQ8+O2jfFOdB0ntl6HN6 47R0jrDGd3eJ8pPbRD5QZmB1ZVvznHjqhiQgXpOCSv0L4ka4TSbCvogmEfsg1RfI NOhcfuA6ceh2HQhynJCoIzV4GUQAxX6Y5MLN6NFqM/ogYNsvrrrxK2Pz5rFU0NTc efpg5a/qMIUPtJ5ygzz9eRrpvhHidfRHlg3MKA/wrCrtJnSlAALuNtruSqFD9x7w Y2YZZxsz91CWl4yhWmSlupbW+k++BpJZ/CHy5z6zbLKlY/0b46/gEctJ/vqtShe2 jxJM7inGf7/uO03WVbN044/JWFU7NiBu+JapO6nq0rQsrLVgqay3hT16HvRo7fos vWOn97zMlDidqVOhnLEV =3D3N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 17:08:57 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67C27502 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 17:08:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pd0-f172.google.com (mail-pd0-f172.google.com [209.85.192.172]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39C50CE4 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 17:08:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pd0-f172.google.com with SMTP id y13so15782720pdi.31 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:08:56 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=R2EcXbeyPOod1N9W+v1XHqzaIfTUqBg6UqxrqLS1NtY=; b=NgmVKdpVtNkOAwn6zzQ4jNkNnwkHmd5XmxE+29KdGTak5momqguG3rh67nqlegXqz2 v2tsuND9hve/cq87Q/v+U29m6K5eyUERjCHTNLAPt9fhLBGrtEU5nrsVK7XEfDIBKBHk Pye+/+s30/ZAZnnnVgD5FfPibwAgW9hmTldh8TjZOwLDC534c9ihLGKSBGF6sanSkbpw OZPkhHgrMKRdjMbuj0eCI5ZDDywnOKOt/qgDwEu7924uQp1Hx3JLmPmrv3MTkVzZUFl2 PAnWqVoTxcpcj9b+0XMBDJcrnupx05eUbsV0lXdqpLKD0/vsva8jE9bvqnSkd+w3f6xd /f5A== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnUdo9cuU22leleExNWA3H4LCEEOZz+MWwWofnypDAD+7Zj0qDMrHO38rMN8FeqIaWWXhG0 X-Received: by 10.70.44.197 with SMTP id g5mr10227252pdm.102.1417626536165; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:08:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (76-252-236-89.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net. [76.252.236.89]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fn4sm23749215pab.39.2014.12.03.09.08.54 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:08:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <547F43A7.8080805@brianwhalen.net> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:08:55 -0800 From: brian <brian@brianwhalen.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to manually compile on FreeBSD 10.x References: <CAAdA2WO2g7e48kJc8=oQ=pKYUDNwX2obV5WnzupC8gmT5xiPFQ@mail.gmail.com> <20141203164555.GA74507@satellite.workgroup.local> In-Reply-To: <20141203164555.GA74507@satellite.workgroup.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 141203-0, 12/02/2014), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 17:08:57 -0000 On 12/3/2014 8:45 AM, Joshua Lokken wrote: > On Dec/03 02:09PM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: >> Hi guys, >> >> What do I need to install on FreeBSD 10 to enable me compile stuff by hand? >> >> [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# uname -a >> FreeBSD admin.cnet.co.za 10.0-RELEASE-p12 FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE-p12 #0: Tue >> Nov 4 04:15:03 UTC 2014 >> root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC >> i386 >> >> >> >> [root@admin ~/Exim]# cp Makefile-Exim-4.85x.txt exim-4.85_RC2/L >> LICENCE LICENSE.opendmarc Local/ >> [root@admin ~/Exim]# cp Makefile-Exim-4.85x.txt exim-4.85_RC2/Local/Makefile >> [root@admin ~/Exim]# cd exim-4.85_RC2 >> [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# make >> /bin/sh scripts/source_checks >> >>>>> Creating links to source files... >>>>> Creating lookups/Makefile for building dynamic modules >>>>> New Makefile & lookups/Makefile installed >>>>> Use "make makefile" if you need to force rebuilding of the makefile >> */bin/sh ../scripts/Configure-os.h* >> */bin/sh ../scripts/Configure-os.c* >> *gcc buildconfig.c* >> *make[1]: exec(gcc) failed (No such file or directory)* >> **** Error code 1* >> >> Stop. >> make[1]: stopped in /root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2/build-FreeBSD-i386 >> *** Error code 1 >> >> Stop. >> make: stopped in /root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2 > Short answer, > > # ln -s /usr/local/bin/gcc48 /usr/local/bin/gcc > > should get the job done. > > > -- > Joshua also after installing some ports/packages, entering rehash at a prompt, to allow you current session to see these new things is often necessary. Brian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 19:10:40 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39132ADB for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 19:10:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nqhost.drenet.net (nqhost.drenet.net [184.95.47.164]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1EF36D74 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 19:10:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nqhost.drenet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 252AC3ADF7 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 14:10:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from nqhost.drenet.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nqhost.drenet.net [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25650-08 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 14:10:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by nqhost.drenet.net (Postfix, from userid 80) id EC1283AD9C; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 14:10:29 -0500 (EST) To: FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Issue with swap file X-PHP-Originating-Script: 501:rcube.php MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:10:29 -0500 From: Andre Goree <andre@drenet.net> Message-ID: <d37ad41e7e524b0547545ac5ae3c329a@drenet.net> X-Sender: andre@drenet.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.0.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 19:10:40 -0000 Several months ago, I followed the procedure here[1] for creating a swap file. This worked great for a long time, up until my last reboot which coincided with an update to 10.1. agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % grep swap /etc/fstab md99 none swap sw,file=/usr/swap 0 0 agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % sudo swapon -a swapon: mdconfig (attach) error: md99 on file=/usr/swap I've also tried zero-writing the file again, to no avail. Any ideas? [1] https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/adding-swap-space.html -- Andre Goree -=-=-=-=-=- Email - andre at drenet.net Website - http://www.drenet.net PGP key - http://www.drenet.net/pubkey.txt -=-=-=-=-=- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 19:12:47 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB08CBF2 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 19:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9CCE7E25 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 19:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sB3JCgtx060920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 3 Dec 2014 12:12:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id sB3JCg4O060917; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 12:12:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 12:12:42 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com> To: Andre Goree <andre@drenet.net> Subject: Re: Issue with swap file In-Reply-To: <d37ad41e7e524b0547545ac5ae3c329a@drenet.net> Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.11.1412031211580.32996@wonkity.com> References: <d37ad41e7e524b0547545ac5ae3c329a@drenet.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 03 Dec 2014 12:12:43 -0700 (MST) Cc: FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 19:12:48 -0000 On Wed, 3 Dec 2014, Andre Goree wrote: > Several months ago, I followed the procedure here[1] for creating a swap > file. This worked great for a long time, up until my last reboot which > coincided with an update to 10.1. > > agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % grep swap /etc/fstab > md99 none swap sw,file=/usr/swap 0 0 > agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % sudo swapon -a > swapon: mdconfig (attach) error: md99 on file=/usr/swap Is /usr on that system a separate filesystem or part of the root / filesystem? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 19:19:10 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82060D6E for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 19:19:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nqhost.drenet.net (nqhost.drenet.net [184.95.47.164]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 66A9EE75 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 19:19:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nqhost.drenet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92413ADF9; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 14:19:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from nqhost.drenet.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nqhost.drenet.net [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25650-10; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 14:19:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by nqhost.drenet.net (Postfix, from userid 80) id AE0783AD9C; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 14:19:09 -0500 (EST) To: Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com> Subject: Re: Issue with swap file X-PHP-Originating-Script: 501:rcube.php MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:19:09 -0500 From: Andre Goree <andre@drenet.net> In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.11.1412031211580.32996@wonkity.com> References: <d37ad41e7e524b0547545ac5ae3c329a@drenet.net> <alpine.BSF.2.11.1412031211580.32996@wonkity.com> Message-ID: <bb7dbf510c3cce4026a913e97fff8121@drenet.net> X-Sender: andre@drenet.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.0.2 Cc: FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 19:19:10 -0000 On 12/03/2014 2:12 pm, Warren Block wrote: > On Wed, 3 Dec 2014, Andre Goree wrote: > >> Several months ago, I followed the procedure here[1] for creating a >> swap file. This worked great for a long time, up until my last reboot >> which coincided with an update to 10.1. >> >> agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % grep swap /etc/fstab >> md99 none swap sw,file=/usr/swap 0 0 >> agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % sudo swapon -a >> swapon: mdconfig (attach) error: md99 on file=/usr/swap > > Is /usr on that system a separate filesystem or part of the root / > filesystem? Thanks for the quick reply. /usr is part of the root filesystem (this server has only one filesystem). -- Andre Goree -=-=-=-=-=- Email - andre at drenet.net Website - http://www.drenet.net PGP key - http://www.drenet.net/pubkey.txt -=-=-=-=-=- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 20:12:27 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F5B7EAE for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 20:12:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-x22b.google.com (mail-lb0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C98FA786 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 20:12:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f171.google.com with SMTP id n15so13037793lbi.16 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 12:12:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VAxnp/Z+IYwRg5GhmRPkTPt3xZ6QibAil4lTVHv/4xw=; b=yWoJtRBh/uPDQGLHBDZw/HO+PPy4zsmSbFJLycP5fAkrJQF13X0AYp+qAcW024ro4G 1135NLpJkMAklY47UpLPEc1F6NsvIZ1M12+P0YRp0DyrdMkhChhfJrbuHABS0PBk6QhE Attf6R6AxtcRZv6pnpqkABVCJvnRcwbk43op9JGao24SYO4+11aLv4FCxouLvLbkJ1mO jWLBFhKT/IkHD0z4xe2NYnbeIYYBC7IxeXfEYDJ4Rj9GF/WQu2YBlRC9gUtqCvgVpeEb 4Yeq1cw9wLwSzZyig4vP5Qyviy2LcEIqIJuNWc+6F08a/tW5TyMVVIWhx6/Qv/6+lwgE mlSw== X-Received: by 10.152.121.1 with SMTP id lg1mr5923315lab.28.1417637544666; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 12:12:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from blazon-pc.rw.local ([78.84.244.14]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id j19sm6707134lbl.23.2014.12.03.12.12.23 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 03 Dec 2014 12:12:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <547F6EA7.2090901@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 22:12:23 +0200 From: Alnis Morics <alnis.morics@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to manually compile on FreeBSD 10.x References: <CAAdA2WO2g7e48kJc8=oQ=pKYUDNwX2obV5WnzupC8gmT5xiPFQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAOgwaMtPFsNNM9reg5iRSjO5At09dbU7V-Kg=D9hcHxtEi3znw@mail.gmail.com> <CAAdA2WMFi2p_sOraRTM1HSMt_bfUj3ragaGtm7NrZnPgwaMtMg@mail.gmail.com> <CAOgwaMtmVixcEXHq1Y2wat1p2XWY5JE1ytaFzBnew8198cK+tg@mail.gmail.com> <CAAdA2WOJpqHkVe9dea-8_AXEWOYKwNRtr9ZQ6hei7X1pvZbD7g@mail.gmail.com> <20141203140927.GC23042@mordor.lan> <CAAdA2WM8s9CGN6HSe3oV=W+RriTLmX6X1WtsAvsGkKKnGxB3AQ@mail.gmail.com> <20141203144230.GE23042@mordor.lan> <CAAdA2WNrgNcMOS2k5B8hmnW5=Fh9bSb1u_S-5UVVE9LxAPFSvg@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAAdA2WNrgNcMOS2k5B8hmnW5=Fh9bSb1u_S-5UVVE9LxAPFSvg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 20:12:27 -0000 On 12/03/2014 17:09, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > On 3 December 2014 at 17:42, Julien Cigar <jcigar@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 05:21:05PM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: >>> On 3 December 2014 at 17:09, Julien Cigar <jcigar@ulb.ac.be> wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 04:57:58PM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: >>>>> Hi Mehmet, >>>>> >>>>> You perhaps did not understand my question or I wasn't clear. >>>>> >>>>> On previous versions of FreeBSD, issues with compilers have never >> been an >>>>> issue. However from FreeBSD 10, a lot has changed and it appears >> someone >>>>> needs to manually install a compiler. >>>> GCC has been removed from BASE in FreeBSD 10+ (and replaced by CLANG) >>>> >>>>> I went around my problem by: >>>>> >>>>> cd /usr/bin >>>>> ln -s clang++ gcc >>>> that's a very bad idea.. You should install gcc from ports or force >>>> CXX=clang++ in the Makefile (or in the env). >>>> >>>> also I don't understand why you're not using the port (mail/exim) ? >>>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Julien, >>> >>> That very bad idea came from >>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/23180725/how-to-install-g-on-freebsd >> :-) >>> There is also the option to install gcc from the ports, but I went for >> the >>> shortcut of symlink because of obvious reasons - not knowing what is the >>> best. >>> >> beware of stackoverflow.com, it's full of mistakes, don't trust it >> >> the answer that says "It was renamed in FreeBSD 10. Fixed by creating >> symlink in /usr/bin:" is just plain wrong.. GCC is not CLANG >> >>> So I have done away with the symlink. >>> >>> [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# export CXX=clang++ (I even added it >> to >>> /etc/make.conf) >>> [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# make >>> /bin/sh scripts/source_checks >>> `Makefile' is up to date. >>> >>> gcc buildconfig.c >>> make[1]: exec(gcc) failed (No such file or directory) >>> *** Error code 1 >>> >>> Stop. >>> make[1]: stopped in /root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2/build-FreeBSD-i386 >>> *** Error code 1 >>> >>> Stop. >>> make: stopped in /root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2 >>> [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# >>> >> you should install GCC from ports, for example lang/gcc (which install >> gcc 4.8) and do an $> export CC=gcc48 >> > > Hi Julien, > > Can I stick that to /etc/make.conf or that isn't relevant anymore? > > Sometimes I think I will just stick at FreeBSD-9.x because these changes on > 10.x are proving hard to catch up with if you do not follow -current > mailing list:( > > Just run: cd /usr/ports/mail/exim make install clean And no hassle with compilers; the ports system itself will download and install build dependencies. FreeBSD-specific configurations will be cared for, too. And the version is the latest stable. Why not? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 22:10:23 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E986A919 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 22:10:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1FEE37C for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 22:10:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.41]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D3333C1D; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 17:10:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 795B839822; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 17:10:15 -0500 (EST) From: Lowell Gilbert <freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org> To: Andre Goree <andre@drenet.net> Subject: Re: Issue with swap file References: <d37ad41e7e524b0547545ac5ae3c329a@drenet.net> Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 17:10:15 -0500 In-Reply-To: <d37ad41e7e524b0547545ac5ae3c329a@drenet.net> (Andre Goree's message of "Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:10:29 -0500") Message-ID: <44fvcwgzaw.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 22:10:24 -0000 Andre Goree <andre@drenet.net> writes: > Several months ago, I followed the procedure here[1] for creating a > swap file. This worked great for a long time, up until my last reboot > which coincided with an update to 10.1. > > agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % grep swap /etc/fstab > md99 none swap sw,file=/usr/swap 0 0 > agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % sudo swapon -a > swapon: mdconfig (attach) error: md99 on file=/usr/swap > > I've also tried zero-writing the file again, to no avail. Any ideas? > > [1] https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/adding-swap-space.html Strange, I haven't run into any problems. And annoying that the error message is so unhelpful. When that error message gets printed, swapon has tried to run mdconfig and gotten an error back, but has no idea what the problem was. At that point, it has already checked that the md device is available, which eliminates my best guess at a diagnosis. The way you can get more information is by running the mdconfig command by hand, just as swapon would have, and see what *it* reports to you. mdconfig -a -t vnode -n -f /usr/swap Very likely, it will tell you exactly what to fix. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 22:56:06 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 98531300 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 22:56:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-x22c.google.com (mail-wg0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::22c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F31CAA8 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 22:56:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f44.google.com with SMTP id b13so21372912wgh.31 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:56:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=zEYUK0Z00UqPgRhxEhn3HBbpv0ijHZL9DiQlImgi624=; b=LypjjfMwOiyQ662E57uxcNMGs2N6JhT1oTjvLozmh5JGMQwRlpAxhm5/RwqgeY3M5L DV8JDYXNwmb48eiwbucWKtKp8xvArYlGVOc/bPhBuj6oADLRqOqfYy299G2NUjzMtYF6 bIK8evqIbtvrRDNx9tmZCAeRyu1m38lD0SOIuKvR/CJNQSt+dRIpgPDe//pofUVCv9tX YMbW8DCUwIOXCSaU5yP55QN1CCN1RT2u13r/IvwssLxpbwdzXVGrb1vIxKGQ3ZTsOMfv fR7JoBBEQuBJh0VIOy18qS1unz6sqrlqjGC3Zi96PUGUfag0qvYaeCauo4lSFshiUcTg noCA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.195.11.38 with SMTP id ef6mr10966360wjd.68.1417647364568; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:56:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.198.52 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 14:56:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 23:56:04 +0100 Message-ID: <CAGwOe2bLq-_ZgVkA0rEq3uhiU6d+64d4WPhP3BvYdLGDGTwgyA@mail.gmail.com> Subject: X related problems in 10.1 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Fernando_Apestegu=C3=ADa?= <fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com> To: User Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 22:56:06 -0000 Hi, Since I upgraded my old laptop to 10.1 release I'm seeing some weird behavior when I try to launch the X server (I use startx for this). Sometimes, the screen goes blank and the error message in the log is: config/hal: couldn't initialise context: unknown error (null) Other times, fluxbox starts correctly but I don't have neither mouse nor keyboard and the error message is this: (EE) config/hal: couldn't find input device: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Disconnected (Connection was disconnected before a reply was received) But sometimes, the X server starts just fine. I can post my xorg.conf if necessary. Any help is appreciated. Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 23:24:27 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A08E0B1A for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 23:24:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nqhost.drenet.net (nqhost.drenet.net [184.95.47.164]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75B5DDB2 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 23:24:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nqhost.drenet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA47F3ADF7 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 18:24:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from nqhost.drenet.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nqhost.drenet.net [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27305-07 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 18:24:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by nqhost.drenet.net (Postfix, from userid 80) id 93D8E3AD9C; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 18:24:19 -0500 (EST) To: FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Issue with swap file X-PHP-Originating-Script: 501:rcube.php MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 18:24:19 -0500 From: Andre Goree <andre@drenet.net> In-Reply-To: <44fvcwgzaw.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> References: <d37ad41e7e524b0547545ac5ae3c329a@drenet.net> <44fvcwgzaw.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> Message-ID: <2a3b7da1d03fd215ba1792e6617cfdb7@drenet.net> X-Sender: andre@drenet.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.0.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 23:24:27 -0000 On 12/03/2014 5:10 pm, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Andre Goree <andre@drenet.net> writes: > >> Several months ago, I followed the procedure here[1] for creating a >> swap file. This worked great for a long time, up until my last reboot >> which coincided with an update to 10.1. >> >> agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % grep swap /etc/fstab >> md99 none swap sw,file=/usr/swap 0 0 >> agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % sudo swapon -a >> swapon: mdconfig (attach) error: md99 on file=/usr/swap >> >> I've also tried zero-writing the file again, to no avail. Any ideas? >> >> [1] https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/adding-swap-space.html > > Strange, I haven't run into any problems. And annoying that the error > message is so unhelpful. When that error message gets printed, swapon > has tried to run mdconfig and gotten an error back, but has no idea > what > the problem was. At that point, it has already checked that the md > device is available, which eliminates my best guess at a diagnosis. > > The way you can get more information is by running the mdconfig command > by hand, just as swapon would have, and see what *it* reports to you. > mdconfig -a -t vnode -n -f /usr/swap > > Very likely, it will tell you exactly what to fix. I tried creating a new one (hence the '/usr/swap0' vs. '/usr/swap' in the output below) and still got the same error. Here's the [disheartening] output from the command you gave: agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % sudo swapon -a swapon: mdconfig (attach) error: md99 on file=/usr/swap0 agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % sudo mdconfig -a -t vnode -n -f /usr/swap0 0 -- Andre Goree -=-=-=-=-=- Email - andre at drenet.net Website - http://www.drenet.net PGP key - http://www.drenet.net/pubkey.txt -=-=-=-=-=- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 00:06:45 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2EB7483F for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 00:06:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pd0-x236.google.com (mail-pd0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EBF5E274 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 00:06:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pd0-f182.google.com with SMTP id r10so16513520pdi.13 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:06:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vhQzt12kMAQEqhECIr0aKJjCkey+YZFepCvzKgPW6n4=; b=wBx/5h4dZYj4R2JTtkAMOk3K0rGlORYLhjvbeIEuFv1vQ3NLiOXik3iwBGl0f1OlaN kEsvcHHfhArq43sAk3jDfJis2A0LZCLCPIZONPzxuBRbVWjdS9cXg8WPbNZpIERD93Ev ms+W5aWc6OQewxe44AUdQtLQ9OoCklc4mf7od98K+fm2m6HcswD34JIgflQpyE9Yyt1c x6g41M1tvY0In2yGhP2KnfvuJ9inJrN6e0vHC8j8lP9CEB8ksxgv7m8+qzAnpgEZUxGm mMFkmSbtndZ6/xT60jL7dog3n7Sd/tw//50NtjglNoP78jLKRnuZimAfHj0V/O7YiAsR oFjg== X-Received: by 10.70.48.199 with SMTP id o7mr13297210pdn.97.1417651604491; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:06:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.111.115] ([120.29.118.234]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fv6sm24154900pdb.83.2014.12.03.16.06.43 for <multiple recipients> (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:06:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <547FA599.8000808@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 08:06:49 +0800 From: Ernie Luzar <luzar722@gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> Subject: Re: firefox bookmarks verifier References: <547E4CD8.4010509@gmail.com> <20141203005232.GA64389@3006.local> <20141203022349.8c81b802.freebsd@edvax.de> <547E7FAD.2040305@gmail.com> <20141203044125.99e72ede.freebsd@edvax.de> <547EC41C.4060002@dat.pl> <547EC816.5020900@gmail.com> <20141203100200.01681767.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20141203100200.01681767.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Maciej Milewski <milu@dat.pl>, FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 00:06:45 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:21:42 +0800, Ernie Luzar wrote: > >> Everything I read on firefox website everyone is complaining that they >> (firefox developers] used a bastardized version of .json4 which is a >> compressed version. >> There is no way to read the file. >> > > This must be "new". Older versions of Firefox did use > a simple text-based format (HTML and uncompressed JSON). > If your description is true, it really sounds terrible > and against the idea of interoperability (traditionally > an important attribute of quality for UNIX and Linux > programs). > > As I said, my Firefox here is very old, and it uses a > kind of "stripped down" HTML for bookmarks, very easy > to deal with; the subdirectory bookmarkbackups/ contains > JSON files, not compressed, just "one-liners", also > easy to deal with (at least by using a JSON access > library). > > > > >> This is going to force me to leave >> firefox and move to something else that has a favorites/bookmarks style >> like MS browser >> > > You can use Opera: Its bookmarks file ~/.opera/bookmarks.adr > is easy to pars, it contains "name=value" pairs, prefixed > by a "#URL" or "#FOLDER" that indicates what the entry is, > so it's easy to parse, verify, and recombine. You don't > need complicated import/export tools here. > > Also check out Chromium. > > > > >> What ever were firefox developers thinking??? Smoking to much weed at >> work!!!! >> > > They probably did not assume that someone is so stupid > to expect to be able to verify the validity of stored > bookmark entries. ;-) > > > > For the archives I am running Firefox version 32.0.2 on a XP laptop. The bookmark info is stored in a sqlight database within folder order. Firefox does a once a day backup of its bookmark sqlight database on first startup of firefox for that day. This backup fie is a bastardized version labeled .json4 which is a compressed version of .json. This backup fie is not intended for public consumption, its for automated internal Firefox usage only. Firefox has native function to export the contents of it's internal sqlight bookmark database in html format creating a file named bookmark.html. When the MS browser displays this file it looks like a flat file of URL links. MS notepad shows this file as all wrapped lines which really is in Unix format and displays correctly on Freebsd using the ee editor. The content in this file is really in folder order. The reason the folders don't show is there is no embedded style html command. The following is the response Firefox tech support sent me. "Although Firefox creates an HTML document as its basic export format (Export Firefox bookmarks to an HTML file to back up or transfer bookmarks <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/export-firefox-bookmarks-to-backup-or-transfer>), it does not include any style rules to lay out the page, so it looks flat. However, the structure is in there. If you want to see folders indented to show the hierarchy, you can add a style rule by opening the file in a text editor such as Notepad or Wordpad. You can paste the following between the <TITLE> and <H1>: <style type="text/css"> dl dl {margin-left:0.5in;} </style> (What that does is indent any dl (definition list) element that is within another dl element (i.e., nested folder) by half an inch.) You might want to use [File > Save as] to avoid damaging the original file." Now back to the original question. The following is th response Firefox tech support sent me. Bookmarks Checker - check for bad links: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/bookmarks-checker/ I installed this addon and tested it. It rolled through my 800+ bookmarks really fast. 98 percent of the bad bookmarks were URL's that had invalid website navigation info to the right of the domain name. The only choose you have is to check the box to remove the bad URL or keep it. No way to correct the reported bad link title or the URL. MY work around was to use MS frontpage which has function to verify external links. 1. Export Firefox bookmarks in html format. 2. Pace bookmark.html file in a frontpage empty development website. 3. Using frontpage edit bookmark.html fie inserting style commands as shown above. 4. Execute frontpage verify external links function which results in a report containing URL links which failed. Clicking on the failed link takes me to that link in the bookmark.html file where I can correct the URL or delete it. 5. Repeat step 4 for all reported failed links shown in the report 6. Using Firefox import the corrected bookmark.html file from frontpage. There are a lot of website builder ports in Freebsd. Have to look for one that has a "valid external URL" function, then follow same logic as above. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 01:03:46 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 54EED5DC for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 01:03:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 10pmail.ess.barracuda.com (10pmail.ess.barracuda.com [64.235.154.212]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 945D5A96 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 01:03:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from modemcable009.181-203-24.mc.videotron.ca (modemcable009.181-203-24.mc.videotron.ca [24.203.181.9]) by mx1408.ess.rzc.cudaops.com (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 04 Dec 2014 01:03:44 +0000 X-BESS-ID: 1417655023-410279-24897-10-1 X-BESS-VER: 2.5.3-r1411251633 X-BESS-Apparent-Source-IP: 24.203.181.9 X-BESS-Outbound-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-BESS-Outbound-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.2.154598 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------- 0.00 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.00 BSF_BESS_OUTBOUND META: BESS Outbound 0.00 HELO_DYNAMIC_DHCP HEADER: Relay HELO'd using suspicious hostname (DHCP) X-BESS-Outbound-Spam-Status: SCORE=0.00 using account:ESS21901 scores of KILL_LEVEL=8.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, BSF_BESS_OUTBOUND, HELO_DYNAMIC_DHCP X-BESS-BRTS-Status: 1 Received: from Server02.ad.ezmax.ca (192.168.0.6) by Server02.ad.ezmax.ca (192.168.0.6) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.913.22; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 19:01:38 -0500 Received: from Server02.ad.ezmax.ca ([::1]) by Server02.ad.ezmax.ca ([::1]) with mapi id 15.00.0913.011; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 19:01:38 -0500 From: Ian Lord <lordi@msdi.ca> To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Backup solution for freeBSD/Symantec Backup exec porting Thread-Topic: Backup solution for freeBSD/Symantec Backup exec porting Thread-Index: AdAPU2lynqG5qtBcS1maXjj78WJW+g== Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 00:01:37 +0000 Message-ID: <999d7e80e60f466682c736f275b75788@Server02.ad.ezmax.ca> Accept-Language: en-US, fr-CA Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.0.99] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 01:03:46 -0000 Hi, I've been using freebsd since version 4.11 and always dealt with backup sem= i manually with dump, copying files over, database dumps, etc. By the way, not as a home user, but for 8-10 servers used in a SAAS applica= tion. We are looking for something more serious as we are dealing with abou= t 10TB of data for documents, and 600-800 gigs of SQL database. Everything = is redundant, replicated, etc, but we need a serious backup solution. We are thinking of purchasing a DELL Powervault LT2000 device which consist= s of 1 or 2 LTO6 tape drives with 24 slots giving 60TB of data space for re= tention I've read a lot on the subject and many people seem to do dumps on a remote= HD, etc, but to get to 60TB of disk space would cost a lot and would be le= ss reliable then a tape library in my opinion. We need something automated and reliable. Hopefully, with a nice gui to res= tore individual files etc... We already have backup exec 2014 for our windows servers, but they don't ma= ke an agent for freebsd. Symantec has netbackup which supports FreeBSD, but it seems really expensiv= e (A rep will call me, tells all about the price lol) I've read on Bacula and Amanda, and it really doesn't feel like a product m= ature enough (outdated documentation, no clear indication the tape library = would work, etc). Their commercial counterparts are really expensives... I'= m afraid to purchase hardware, new server, etc and end up with nothing work= ing. In the past, we used backup exec to backup freebsd using their legacy backu= p agents in linux compat mode and it was working really well. We tried (wit= hout extensive effort) to make work their linux agent on freebsd without su= ccess. So my questions are: 1- Does anyone have a tape library working with bacula or Amanda ? Doe= s it work well ? (meaning stable, reliable and good performance) 2- Would anyone be willing to try to make backup exec work on freebsd = using linux compat mode ? I would be willing to finance the project up to 5= 00$ perhaps other people reading this could also contribute to have more ma= n hours on this task. I love so much FreeBSD Over Linux, but it's always hard to get support from= vendors... We are even evaluating to switch our fileservers to Centos (whe= re we also dump sql databases and could replicate important data from freeB= SD) to be able to easily back them up using Backup Exec's agent. But this w= ould be my last resort as I don't want to support linux box where everythin= g else in in FreeBSD. Any help/comment would be appreciated. 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Simply forward this message to rem@link.rm0004.net or call 773-470-0350 This message was sent by None | 8601 Eight Mile Creek Rd | Pensacola, FL 32526 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 03:18:59 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96869EF4 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 03:18:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-x22b.google.com (mail-ig0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D061AC2 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 03:18:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ig0-f171.google.com with SMTP id z20so13965059igj.4 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 19:18:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5ijxOLMNR3Z5zbKfnEmsurd07MaUOuIRnVjHpTLT3hA=; b=WTzsChMGGMOYJO853b2b03Jg/yfT5uG4nJxvpXh5rjUKgbR4dLWuFVzlIAGRh0048q 6/v4/5+gGGBPsW9hMVTa7tyLtBNIAJBUseomY+DaXy03sBvU2uQi2rtO07smNVi/j9tL a9VoGkkP48v9DlSoaRSNxMz4iW49+3o/4g4ojmEPsg1Cs4iqkFVRXxffE+0bKHCjGeoF iUH8k7TYqqaVwhnODk3XF4QeJIJKxsWv1Axv0s6LahgkKzyFWZvD9/R24XqTdkvP4PIX BgTSi+hT5yh6RqSdsEgjtAD7NOAqcLWOKy/3XoaGOmOyI9kTBkDwC+vKu/yhuP5Og+Ux /LKA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.30.13 with SMTP id t13mr9826991icc.40.1417663138769; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 19:18:58 -0800 (PST) Sender: olivier2553@gmail.com Received: by 10.107.29.77 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 19:18:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <999d7e80e60f466682c736f275b75788@Server02.ad.ezmax.ca> References: <999d7e80e60f466682c736f275b75788@Server02.ad.ezmax.ca> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 10:18:58 +0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: DbCH4SOh-pMVmTy0ecRTm64kNhk Message-ID: <CA+g+BvhDrN4jRH+FYyEfjU5aza9EL=zD0pS+zpxzwubA6N4B2w@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Backup solution for freeBSD/Symantec Backup exec porting From: Olivier Nicole <olivier.nicole@cs.ait.ac.th> To: Ian Lord <lordi@msdi.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 03:18:59 -0000 Hi, > We are thinking of purchasing a DELL Powervault LT2000 device which consi= sts of 1 or 2 LTO6 tape drives with 24 slots giving 60TB of data space for = retention > > I've read a lot on the subject and many people seem to do dumps on a remo= te HD, etc, but to get to 60TB of disk space would cost a lot and would be = less reliable then a tape library in my opinion. Arguably. Tape library are fare from reliable, they have a lot of mechanical parts in it that like to fail. And they are very expensive to buy. Tapes need special care for the storage. While you could populate your backup machine with new disks when you need it and only when you need it (and newer disks will have higher capacity too, or replace older disks with newer bigger ones). Plus using hard disks gives you a virtually unlimited number of parallel devices compared to your 2 tape drives. I have been using a machine with 8 disks for many years, started with 500GB, then 1,5TB and I am finishing the upgrade to 3TB disks. Easy, transparent, and Amanda. 60TB disks is like USD 2000, how much is the 24 slots, 2 drives library? > We need something automated and reliable. Hopefully, with a nice gui to r= estore individual files etc... > > We already have backup exec 2014 for our windows servers, but they don't = make an agent for freebsd. > Symantec has netbackup which supports FreeBSD, but it seems really expens= ive (A rep will call me, tells all about the price lol) > > I've read on Bacula and Amanda, and it really doesn't feel like a product= mature enough (outdated documentation, no clear indication the tape librar= y would work, etc). Their commercial counterparts are really expensives... = I'm afraid to purchase hardware, new server, etc and end up with nothing wo= rking. >From experience, Amanda mailing list is responsive, you could try to ask there. They have no nice GUI, but it's a strong and reliable software. Best regards, Olivier > > In the past, we used backup exec to backup freebsd using their legacy bac= kup agents in linux compat mode and it was working really well. We tried (w= ithout extensive effort) to make work their linux agent on freebsd without = success. > > So my questions are: > > 1- Does anyone have a tape library working with bacula or Amanda ? D= oes it work well ? (meaning stable, reliable and good performance) > > 2- Would anyone be willing to try to make backup exec work on freebs= d using linux compat mode ? I would be willing to finance the project up to= 500$ perhaps other people reading this could also contribute to have more = man hours on this task. > > I love so much FreeBSD Over Linux, but it's always hard to get support fr= om vendors... We are even evaluating to switch our fileservers to Centos (w= here we also dump sql databases and could replicate important data from fre= eBSD) to be able to easily back them up using Backup Exec's agent. But this= would be my last resort as I don't want to support linux box where everyth= ing else in in FreeBSD. > > Any help/comment would be appreciated. > > Thanks > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Ian Lord > MSD Informatique > 143 Rue des Fauvettes > St-Colomban (Qu=C3=A9bec) J5K 0E2 > T=C3=A9l: (514) 776-6734 #201 > Sans Frais: 1(877) 776-6734 #201 > http://www.msdi.ca/ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 04:25:19 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 506A5BFD for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 04:25:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nlpiport08.prodigy.net.mx (nlpiport08.prodigy.net.mx [148.235.52.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D52B17A for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 04:25:18 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,512,1413262800"; d="scan'208";a="93635033" Received: from nlpiport22.prodigy.net.mx ([148.235.52.109]) by nlpiport08.prodigy.net.mx with ESMTP; 03 Dec 2014 22:20:54 -0600 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmkUAMzff1S9qnkS/2dsb2JhbABagwZSWIwdpzEBAQEBAQEGkwyBTIRBBAQCAoEVFwEBAQEBfYQDAQEEVjMLIRMSDyoeGYgpAxQL0BUQhVsBCyCGLYpAFoQsBYpSiVOGMwGBWpI8hBgfMIJFAQEB Received: from dsl-189-170-121-18-dyn.prod-infinitum.com.mx (HELO morena.maps.net) ([189.170.121.18]) by nlpiport22.prodigy.net.mx with SMTP; 03 Dec 2014 22:20:53 -0600 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 21:19:54 -0700 From: Martin Paredes <mapsware@prodigy.net.mx> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: suggestion for an all-in-one with multi page scanner Message-ID: <20141203211954.54e95b40@morena.maps.net> In-Reply-To: <CAKoxK+780cv7uC6GJtcQhQCdy1r6HOqTFQfchrVMXWF7ENf5dw@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAKoxK+780cv7uC6GJtcQhQCdy1r6HOqTFQfchrVMXWF7ENf5dw@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; i386-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 04:25:19 -0000 El Sun, 30 Nov 2014 18:23:43 +0100 Luca Ferrari <fluca1978@infinito.it> escribi=F3: > Hi all, > Christmas is approaching and I'd like a suggestion for an all-in-one > device with multipage scanner. In particular I'm interested in the > printer and scanner, I don't need the fax device. And of course it is > supposed to fully work with FreeBSD. >=20 > Any idea? >=20 > Thanks, > Luca Maybe an HP, look in the page weg of hplip (HP Linux Imaging and Printing) For compatible printers http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/supported_devices/index.html --=20 Martin Paredes Hermosillo, Son. Mexico From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 04:34:22 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7ECCDDDC for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 04:34:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-x232.google.com (mail-lb0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE8AF273 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 04:34:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f178.google.com with SMTP id f15so14558414lbj.23 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 20:34:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=tNWsFmJpadIZFUR6E02TGSL9V0shb+4B6Vz8ZbZ8kl0=; b=m5aB6oOTNDmm2hsS6TqU9EsHiWVkXOXQck5T5wOLURG7np3gmUJKnmPBT3hhlvmlzP 4HB8yj00FXygEIe/tzaUFRqGxWa+xzVwENZa+RUxMuLtFU251yOHtXxqKmcy9G6rDlMv nTAmIhYIV7asvg5pCrIgQXKBA7Y9kQljNUiT8g7nLEeRyuwB8meiIzXyjyIvpu3qnIN6 sewvsgclknd3S++8xtOdCU0UJXsRnDZ6rMLQ7qbwHxCaeYEEZZLdgzv4o8lVh8ciQ6cz rVBhv/slF4t2DCnIJiSgZU9swoqjogE9GinQCGKhKeNys3x0bx33nsUnwg0w+Czuvaz6 3IwA== X-Received: by 10.152.30.39 with SMTP id p7mr7493782lah.5.1417667659794; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 20:34:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.53.72 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 20:33:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <547F6EA7.2090901@gmail.com> References: <CAAdA2WO2g7e48kJc8=oQ=pKYUDNwX2obV5WnzupC8gmT5xiPFQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAOgwaMtPFsNNM9reg5iRSjO5At09dbU7V-Kg=D9hcHxtEi3znw@mail.gmail.com> <CAAdA2WMFi2p_sOraRTM1HSMt_bfUj3ragaGtm7NrZnPgwaMtMg@mail.gmail.com> <CAOgwaMtmVixcEXHq1Y2wat1p2XWY5JE1ytaFzBnew8198cK+tg@mail.gmail.com> <CAAdA2WOJpqHkVe9dea-8_AXEWOYKwNRtr9ZQ6hei7X1pvZbD7g@mail.gmail.com> <20141203140927.GC23042@mordor.lan> <CAAdA2WM8s9CGN6HSe3oV=W+RriTLmX6X1WtsAvsGkKKnGxB3AQ@mail.gmail.com> <20141203144230.GE23042@mordor.lan> <CAAdA2WNrgNcMOS2k5B8hmnW5=Fh9bSb1u_S-5UVVE9LxAPFSvg@mail.gmail.com> <547F6EA7.2090901@gmail.com> From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 07:33:39 +0300 Message-ID: <CAAdA2WNbFQGAYeoJ=uw7zGyQTmt3j-X=hA_6J5D5BJUMp3vbvQ@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: How to manually compile on FreeBSD 10.x To: Alnis Morics <alnis.morics@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: User Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 04:34:22 -0000 On 3 December 2014 at 23:12, Alnis Morics <alnis.morics@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 12/03/2014 17:09, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > >> On 3 December 2014 at 17:42, Julien Cigar <jcigar@ulb.ac.be> wrote: >> >> On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 05:21:05PM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: >>> >>>> On 3 December 2014 at 17:09, Julien Cigar <jcigar@ulb.ac.be> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 04:57:58PM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Mehmet, >>>>>> >>>>>> You perhaps did not understand my question or I wasn't clear. >>>>>> >>>>>> On previous versions of FreeBSD, issues with compilers have never >>>>>> >>>>> been an >>> >>>> issue. However from FreeBSD 10, a lot has changed and it appears >>>>>> >>>>> someone >>> >>>> needs to manually install a compiler. >>>>>> >>>>> GCC has been removed from BASE in FreeBSD 10+ (and replaced by CLANG) >>>>> >>>>> I went around my problem by: >>>>>> >>>>>> cd /usr/bin >>>>>> ln -s clang++ gcc >>>>>> >>>>> that's a very bad idea.. You should install gcc from ports or force >>>>> CXX=clang++ in the Makefile (or in the env). >>>>> >>>>> also I don't understand why you're not using the port (mail/exim) ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Julien, >>>> >>>> That very bad idea came from >>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/23180725/how-to-install-g-on-freebsd >>>> >>> :-) >>> >>>> There is also the option to install gcc from the ports, but I went for >>>> >>> the >>> >>>> shortcut of symlink because of obvious reasons - not knowing what is the >>>> best. >>>> >>>> beware of stackoverflow.com, it's full of mistakes, don't trust it >>> >>> the answer that says "It was renamed in FreeBSD 10. Fixed by creating >>> symlink in /usr/bin:" is just plain wrong.. GCC is not CLANG >>> >>> So I have done away with the symlink. >>>> >>>> [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# export CXX=clang++ (I even added it >>>> >>> to >>> >>>> /etc/make.conf) >>>> [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# make >>>> /bin/sh scripts/source_checks >>>> `Makefile' is up to date. >>>> >>>> gcc buildconfig.c >>>> make[1]: exec(gcc) failed (No such file or directory) >>>> *** Error code 1 >>>> >>>> Stop. >>>> make[1]: stopped in /root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2/build-FreeBSD-i386 >>>> *** Error code 1 >>>> >>>> Stop. >>>> make: stopped in /root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2 >>>> [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# >>>> >>>> you should install GCC from ports, for example lang/gcc (which install >>> gcc 4.8) and do an $> export CC=gcc48 >>> >>> >> Hi Julien, >> >> Can I stick that to /etc/make.conf or that isn't relevant anymore? >> >> Sometimes I think I will just stick at FreeBSD-9.x because these changes >> on >> 10.x are proving hard to catch up with if you do not follow -current >> mailing list:( >> >> >> Just run: > > cd /usr/ports/mail/exim > make install clean > > And no hassle with compilers; the ports system itself will download and > install build dependencies. FreeBSD-specific configurations will be cared > for, too. And the version is the latest stable. Why not? > Nkt:-) You don't get what I need! -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." 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It's very useful and very fast. It's a little bit to wrap your mind around when configuring, but once you're up and running, it's very easy to use. As for storage, I might suggest a RAID5 or RAID6 with 4 TB SATA drives. The drives are pretty much going to be write once and read a few, pretty static in other words. The whole retention issue for large companies comes under the Sarbannes-Oxley (SOX) compliance. If you don't need to retain fulls for long periods of time (10 years), you could buy something like a SuperMicro 4U with 45 disk drives. With 7 drives per stripe, you might come out with 6 x 4000GB / 1024 = 22.5 TB in RAID 5 and about 5 x 4000GB/1024=19 TB in RAID 6. After that, 6 total pools and 3 for hot spares (a necessity for RAID5, kind of optional for RAID 6, yes, everyone, that's my opinion.) I would also suggest this is done with ZFS and RAIDZ or RAIDZ2. Also, if you want to keep growing the repository, they have 45 disk expansion chassis. (Of course, any vendor will do, but I try to keep my costs manageable - The enclosure is about $2K, the drives would be about 45x$100= $4.5K, plus guts for about another $1.5K... Total cost for this would be about $8500 or so.) You would end up with about with somewhere between 110TB (RAID 6) and about 130TB (RAID 5). Disk is very cheap these days. Also, ZFS will let you know there's a failure and you can rebuild. Digital tape over the years, may lose information. (Yes, other people will tell you no way. However, do you want to find out when trying to restore? - I'm speaking from experience). The other issue is keeping the disk powered and online. That's power and heat. More $$$ versus tape. Also, tape is a lot more mechanical than disk and it's sequential when restoring. When someone needs something back... NOW is not soon enough in most cases. Also, there is a misconception about backups. Many vendors have products that 'stream across' multiple media at a time. That is not a good thing. It means that you can backup fast. However, it usually means that all the drives that were streamed across have to be available to restore. Otherwise if you streamed across 4 tapes drives and only two are available, it means you will read the first two parts of the stream, unload those tapes, load the next two, stream those two parts... lather, rinse, repeat. People have to remember, backup speed is not the critical point of backups (you have to figure out a good schedule to get everything done but that's it.) it's restore that is critical. The backup vendors want you to believe the opposite as their restore speed tends to be abysmal. Oh, backuppc is free. What you save on Backup exec licensing will pay for your array. ;-) I hope this helps. P. On 12/03/2014 19:01, Ian Lord wrote: > Hi, > > I've been using freebsd since version 4.11 and always dealt with backup semi manually with dump, copying files over, database dumps, etc. > > By the way, not as a home user, but for 8-10 servers used in a SAAS application. We are looking for something more serious as we are dealing with about 10TB of data for documents, and 600-800 gigs of SQL database. Everything is redundant, replicated, etc, but we need a serious backup solution. > > We are thinking of purchasing a DELL Powervault LT2000 device which consists of 1 or 2 LTO6 tape drives with 24 slots giving 60TB of data space for retention > > I've read a lot on the subject and many people seem to do dumps on a remote HD, etc, but to get to 60TB of disk space would cost a lot and would be less reliable then a tape library in my opinion. > > We need something automated and reliable. Hopefully, with a nice gui to restore individual files etc... > > We already have backup exec 2014 for our windows servers, but they don't make an agent for freebsd. > Symantec has netbackup which supports FreeBSD, but it seems really expensive (A rep will call me, tells all about the price lol) > > I've read on Bacula and Amanda, and it really doesn't feel like a product mature enough (outdated documentation, no clear indication the tape library would work, etc). Their commercial counterparts are really expensives... I'm afraid to purchase hardware, new server, etc and end up with nothing working. > > In the past, we used backup exec to backup freebsd using their legacy backup agents in linux compat mode and it was working really well. We tried (without extensive effort) to make work their linux agent on freebsd without success. > > So my questions are: > > 1- Does anyone have a tape library working with bacula or Amanda ? Does it work well ? (meaning stable, reliable and good performance) > > 2- Would anyone be willing to try to make backup exec work on freebsd using linux compat mode ? I would be willing to finance the project up to 500$ perhaps other people reading this could also contribute to have more man hours on this task. > > I love so much FreeBSD Over Linux, but it's always hard to get support from vendors... We are even evaluating to switch our fileservers to Centos (where we also dump sql databases and could replicate important data from freeBSD) to be able to easily back them up using Backup Exec's agent. But this would be my last resort as I don't want to support linux box where everything else in in FreeBSD. > > Any help/comment would be appreciated. > > Thanks > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Ian Lord > MSD Informatique > 143 Rue des Fauvettes > St-Colomban (Québec) J5K 0E2 > Tél: (514) 776-6734 #201 > Sans Frais: 1(877) 776-6734 #201 > http://www.msdi.ca/ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 04:42:24 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE71DF3C for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 04:42:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-x229.google.com (mail-lb0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C04336D for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 04:42:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f169.google.com with SMTP id p9so13562282lbv.28 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 20:42:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=gJU6msfkYO4/xtW0cQTku6qCUz5+SQPa1e29SkDK+Uc=; b=RZppITITx5YXoRG2JK/LGjRRcQSFUPkuz8Kj8MsHmIP8WGzTr24cWwlxPYal7TNxKA jmWpxF0N9tueSLegErsNtCn406S0EATPkY6QNgHyk0Z62laisBTT8Z0j9cyjbpm2HfGS 6HLctVBS0pcwHfb+ZjRnM7SrfJQirj04UYzXiSg3gcGSXNm8gXefL+p2kajaYdZx4U2E 2F+unCNgONTqS279aRBa8YjaDDDN839dgaZPm9NI9lk/0kkTeqbTDIrqeUyS9ZuqJ6k7 E81HocVguR9TbPt7hn52OEO0hZUcoMQJhFcS+4YXEwBmijDDLeh/gI7MJcXeOPfyxw5g 5ykw== X-Received: by 10.153.7.170 with SMTP id dd10mr7308737lad.44.1417668142196; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 20:42:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.53.72 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 20:41:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20141203164555.GA74507@satellite.workgroup.local> References: <CAAdA2WO2g7e48kJc8=oQ=pKYUDNwX2obV5WnzupC8gmT5xiPFQ@mail.gmail.com> <20141203164555.GA74507@satellite.workgroup.local> From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 07:41:41 +0300 Message-ID: <CAAdA2WN=2q+dhdoEHbZ7Dn-5H0aoKAJAwi9gCBct79j_cG0Lxg@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: How to manually compile on FreeBSD 10.x To: Joshua Lokken <joshua@joshualokken.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: User Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 04:42:25 -0000 On 3 December 2014 at 19:45, Joshua Lokken <joshua@joshualokken.com> wrote: > On Dec/03 02:09PM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > Hi guys, > > > > What do I need to install on FreeBSD 10 to enable me compile stuff by > hand? > > > > [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# uname -a > > FreeBSD admin.cnet.co.za 10.0-RELEASE-p12 FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE-p12 #0: > Tue > > Nov 4 04:15:03 UTC 2014 > > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC > > i386 > > > > > > > > [root@admin ~/Exim]# cp Makefile-Exim-4.85x.txt exim-4.85_RC2/L > > LICENCE LICENSE.opendmarc Local/ > > [root@admin ~/Exim]# cp Makefile-Exim-4.85x.txt > exim-4.85_RC2/Local/Makefile > > [root@admin ~/Exim]# cd exim-4.85_RC2 > > [root@admin ~/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2]# make > > /bin/sh scripts/source_checks > > > > >>> Creating links to source files... > > >>> Creating lookups/Makefile for building dynamic modules > > >>> New Makefile & lookups/Makefile installed > > >>> Use "make makefile" if you need to force rebuilding of the makefile > > > > */bin/sh ../scripts/Configure-os.h* > > */bin/sh ../scripts/Configure-os.c* > > *gcc buildconfig.c* > > *make[1]: exec(gcc) failed (No such file or directory)* > > **** Error code 1* > > > > Stop. > > make[1]: stopped in /root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2/build-FreeBSD-i386 > > *** Error code 1 > > > > Stop. > > make: stopped in /root/Exim/exim-4.85_RC2 > > Short answer, > > # ln -s /usr/local/bin/gcc48 /usr/local/bin/gcc > > should get the job done. > > > -- > Joshua > Sure. After installing gcc49 from the ports! Thank you. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 04:58:56 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6FC59415 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 04:58:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.parts-unknown.org (mail.parts-unknown.org [IPv6:2001:470:67:119::4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F52A69B for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 04:58:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.parts-unknown.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 396145F2357B; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 20:58:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 20:58:49 -0800 From: David Benfell <benfell@parts-unknown.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: switching from ports to pkg -- mailman group mismatch Message-ID: <20141204045849.GA4247@home.parts-unknown.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 04:58:56 -0000 --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I'm having to give up on ports. Way too many are broken. So now I'm trying to fix mailman and it's stupid group mismatch error. Nothing I'm finding on the web is offering a fix that actually works. How do I fix it? --=20 David Benfell <benfell@parts-unknown.org> See https://parts-unknown.org/node/2 if you don't understand the attachment. --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUf+oJAAoJEBV64x4SNmAr3mcP/0OcZYWyC8rJmQuS4QkpHuZa 5xZIbBYdkPCPDS1yvOxhoEtYPDtggHLRm4RGpZ0kuXdJ4uHHSTNgqz7KCsaPZNxM sAOyfqry0Pe9e+s46+Q02eggta1RJPMPkbPw5qlz2tQ9Mn3O5N3c3e21jfRPlO3d 5tFavN2uHEXi3txtbBOXJa/1GSzYHaGO3my9SkFARlL6B4l5H2X9zKNOyBIducJ7 CcvlLekr7xpFeq7e23KOaagCY1bWuYqem+O2SfYPzgnHysSL6XDUnctpSBXN2hKi yQlDN6tyIg+WU63npXoJL5+3iLj31qhN1fhzAZZl7IPHDg9NtTuvyIB5/35w/nz+ IZbkBFVZWRdtZpWbqpXjKrhl6Tj1qnEaTgCZAuZooqlse6YNkGlwmquorV5lTW2q iGlTwGNnnaoxqwlDAM6VKonSg+5fnlvHXcoFulCpycTIGPmtZT3xPpR1cyVHW8sn eav0fWEFN23s4Bwc0I4UjFeV/ANo5XFFPtJUTbTZm3APbxxQ111n4mLbAOjY2yok auYXYijBsyBsIVANJcGtpZlyAJwgj/PBtjk8aYvR8rCFVmJ/22T4NMpT6DHW1Hf8 1RSlkVcpkDCX+XO/3KRvDTCFxcw24fwKuekavp4BaQGaur5wTEMak7XOgGdPp70a AjWe9ECo3St7WV3o3n+m =bbCe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 05:13:50 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41E0C740 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 05:13:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE00D896 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 05:13:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-18-117.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.18.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1131427615; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 06:13:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id sB45DeUQ004224; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 06:13:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 06:13:40 +0100 From: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> To: Paul Pathiakis <pathiaki2@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Backup solution for freeBSD/Symantec Backup exec porting Message-Id: <20141204061340.60bc8325.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <547FE590.1050403@yahoo.com> References: <999d7e80e60f466682c736f275b75788@Server02.ad.ezmax.ca> <547FE590.1050403@yahoo.com> Reply-To: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 05:13:50 -0000 On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 23:39:44 -0500, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions wrote: > Disk is very cheap these days. Also, ZFS will let you know there's a > failure and you can rebuild. Digital tape over the years, may lose > information. (Yes, other people will tell you no way. However, do you > want to find out when trying to restore? - I'm speaking from > experience). The other issue is keeping the disk powered and online. > That's power and heat. More $$$ versus tape. At this point, it's worth reminding about the difference between backup and archive. For backups, disk-based solutions are the way to go today. For long-term storage, it's not fully sure that drives bought today will be usable in 10 years (mechanical failures and "blockages"). The solution for this problem is to copy the data from disk generation to disk generation. There is other media (optical, magneto-optical, optical) probably more suitable for long-term storage, but of course, those solutions are very specific and often don't map well to the requirement of storing thousands of GB of data. > Also, tape is a lot more mechanical than disk [...] Not the tapes themselves, but the drive. A slight error in the positioning of the drive mechanic may cause trouble, such as tapes being unreadable, or worse, tapes becoming "drive-specific", with the failing of the drive implying the unusability of the tapes. > [...] and it's sequential when > restoring. When someone needs something back... NOW is not soon enough > in most cases. Again, this is best solved with backup on disks, as the access can be achieved randomly (instead of sequencial). Furthermore, there is not the problem of size limitation to the tape (e. g., to restore a file that requires 2 tapes because of its size). > Also, there is a misconception about backups. Many vendors have > products that 'stream across' multiple media at a time. That is not a > good thing. It means that you can backup fast. However, it usually > means that all the drives that were streamed across have to be available > to restore. The next problem, in an imaginable worst case, is trying to restore (or better: recover) information from damaged media. > People have to remember, backup speed is not the > critical point of backups (you have to figure out a good schedule to get > everything done but that's it.) it's restore that is critical. That's why I backup to /dev/null, it's super fast! :-) > The > backup vendors want you to believe the opposite as their restore speed > tends to be abysmal. They also come up with funny concepts like cartridges that contain disks, but cannot be accessed in a standardized manner, so you'll have to work with the "drive" (which is more like a disk bay) to access the data. > Oh, backuppc is free. What you save on Backup exec licensing will pay > for your array. ;-) Allow me to add this: Avoid proprietary solutions. They will fail, and you're lost. Consider using only those parts that are common, standardized, and documented. For software, use open-source software. For disks, use those with a normal and available connector, for example SATA. Pay attention not to require something that depends on the "good will" of a profit-oriented corporation that will surprisingly cancel a service, introduce new fees, or discontinue the product. Do not believe in advertising. Check the facts yourself. Especially do the math. What does licensing cost? How long will licenses last? Are service contracts included, are they worth their money or just a means of "empty my pockets"? Do you require encryption? Who (except you) has the keys? Can you do the work, or is a "certified consultant" required, and at which (often continuous) cost? And test things, if possible. No, really: Test your setup. Randomly pull a disk, try a restore, compare source and backup. Pull another disk, or pull out the power cord. If your solution works, all relevant data will survive, and you have done good work. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 05:51:41 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 746ABB02 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 05:51:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-x22e.google.com (mail-ig0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32270C06 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 05:51:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ig0-f174.google.com with SMTP id hn15so18175942igb.7 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 21:51:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=/nwevscP1piIii0bFzZ+oDBpWm6zWttvTR1zkj3Ulds=; b=jJ23DGq3c+dgFtAd1NFwbiG+QSa8CXfsxv8HuuURP0xrv/MpDuM+KwQH8uPD5eYfwe SE+XTncehORV9/0EQWlwq+imxkphJX1xvgfTP/OukunaO3r1SGD/Kt1wLeltzWonH6Hq aUqXRZAzwRJXFx6NnUDgALjyh0uTcOnYZUuNToHHGrBvVlPpgM/kpuUqaplQj6+kH1PK vdrdmWUE80OHB21+aT4Hj/prASrnIvPv9boClAxGJvNx1GrHgdVeXRRjGpQ3DVfAXxZT /ldevondubYAkDf3EDV3nEc1sS7EcAEq/LgJgOFNcqFILjDWuIwFv6n4pDJL7B3yY3ro SIwA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.31.82 with SMTP id f79mr8365339iof.52.1417672300520; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 21:51:40 -0800 (PST) Sender: olivier2553@gmail.com Received: by 10.107.29.77 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 21:51:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <547FE590.1050403@yahoo.com> References: <999d7e80e60f466682c736f275b75788@Server02.ad.ezmax.ca> <547FE590.1050403@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 12:51:40 +0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ErVXuzN7bZgPVqckDa6ImHRNOEE Message-ID: <CA+g+BvjbyQ5jfsoyWndb1i61gQY=M2=ep9X9HDOs7qCseNJBpw@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Backup solution for freeBSD/Symantec Backup exec porting From: Olivier Nicole <olivier.nicole@cs.ait.ac.th> To: Paul Pathiakis <pathiaki2@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 05:51:41 -0000 Hi, > As for storage, I might suggest a RAID5 or RAID6 with 4 TB SATA drives. The > drives are pretty much going to be write once and read a few, pretty static > in other words. Depending on the type of back-up you need, no RAID may be better. It really depends on what you intend to do with your data. > Also, if you want > to keep growing the repository, they have 45 disk expansion chassis. You mean 72 ;) > The > other issue is keeping the disk powered and online. That's power and heat. > More $$$ versus tape. Considering it's back-up, you don't need to have the disks spinning 24/7. Automount should be able to spin-up the disk before mounting and sping-down after dismounting. BR, Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 11:28:59 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC54968B for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 11:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-x242.google.com (mail-pa0-x242.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::242]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B60C280 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 11:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f66.google.com with SMTP id rd3so7204206pab.9 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 03:28:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zxzXrRkxpMR+BXMzTbn0rHnZhOB3lYwLHnUp9gz+Avs=; b=AgNUykuE7GJrdzmzaNcerI619mXTvREE6dpN/bceJ+d2Izkoc4gObkghnzqQRuNUu1 qZBnBtFKp/32oaB6TUwg+416Q8sWwljhIHZv50/6/fNzf9P1IhKJvP7GCpMcwrZ1Qz9U rdyvUpTMO16kIciKFLlJP2mav55aa9vhW6JmGgzgjhFkEpItGBGyuMXtKkYXNl1alrbc AFgGpAxAE3Lsj9AjhWhds0QrwMBH2IAcbU2JrntAdayW/BnfQTPEgCeFidGE/Hu+BVvE UYlsEQ3tFew4n3KjncLEv7fFeXQqmXXOi0OGaCEA4pM35y1B4ulP23bu2A6LUnMFTTJg cTlQ== X-Received: by 10.68.57.167 with SMTP id j7mr25061508pbq.160.1417692538566; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 03:28:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.111.115] ([120.29.118.234]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id nv7sm25807767pdb.68.2014.12.04.03.28.57 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 04 Dec 2014 03:28:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5480457C.6010308@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 19:29:00 +0800 From: Ernie Luzar <luzar722@gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Problem with posting to questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 11:28:59 -0000 From what I am receiving it seems I am getting all the questions traffic but not any posts I make. It's like my email address is being ignored by this list. I do get replies to my posts, but never get the original post. How do I get this fixed? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 11:49:40 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D1A2B03 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 11:49:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm23-vm5.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm23-vm5.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.20]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E4FC6B7 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 11:49:39 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1417693777; bh=cLgL/REV3r4YYlKJsCrrJrGVcKS1nW15xc9Lhx0Fl78=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=ltnO0HUOVP0+u5zv3ryeVF+0DknBsu26cMYa/++NwcPLmQ8NkrtAbXkqLvWKW59q55mJp1b1invPw0T9PWlYo4UzZU9hv1Ya0/8y8JpRrORyQGEvGVDckIMkdnerbprhpZVlN38BRnwB8PLMjDqKwmmmW9hytb6RAsUty5xJGjk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rocketmail.com; b=PbsjljfGcMppbnxyt6RYJM2iMtCE2ITsVJT52TShjGYYFMKjnZ+4LtWlocJ41D225dDcntBVX0vJ6ShH26oAp27YwDy7ZD1UqXVaddh6oJ3h0RdowUnno4Geg3KlXspw9suwXTDvZ0O+cxVHuBw4z+JpRPeATAsw0v5Iji9+W3E=; Received: from [212.82.98.124] by nm23.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2014 11:49:37 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.93] by tm17.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2014 11:49:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp130.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2014 11:49:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 115534.61629.bm@smtp130.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 3YmuWT0VM1lndcX0jnyq7qZjkof9mIe27VWQKvIEzCy8UEm 79nGayF2dScvqTdr8NVEEgXbS9B1fFNpHWC.pPMFUUihAK_EwbnlEjbZlhQ0 hp6voiFoFFQNaKouP4BazgElIJmGyHfml7m5ETXChqImefyBWUxkpxk3kMeY 3hnZg8ZAjDPxwKzMU7eIke..YRkrBO2vH6xbEykM4tFMR7Rm3aUg99UawLGQ lVOSftPe3Z2Zxrnrf2QxTpnLyK4Ue5DRhm5MscAorzSZBZYX7LDBFBgyZ2Y5 va5uPKY9bsW0NvE7iDBEkWH4NeGX6IP7sU_ATEnD5RiJ7Y6.NWj9mYW8WEk0 GcSRSQXejkbTzLpzpFp0_nlFe7wNDbfYrJJQsBa_HUlPkfqavBqYe2gegoUR lTGjCKV0l.5kNZDmOVVlFX9uvqhW1h8hm1F3KuEiNRs2hF3AeMy5YOMzbGhK dtrYrQz5M9fthDQd71ueEyfcpBidnszd0mhehTGBZc6Ui6MYo3jrRT8RTiah rJ7gqDtGh3ITekk7ZbTb9yMWbnN0U9LUUQVnu9d3iR6bDWA6HHqd.PEXcbns BjLjeeY1JWzZoE78VboZnKKImR6rX.vIEBem1GlL7CnMrpmzXh56fAAH41CA DRQaoPt_KwvV8BZ1TjE7bhjtiWEq2vG1i8NSxJiQLjLGZBJXAFKassO41ri1 c1biqSUJPaxmbGsD4aq.zDU7UBos- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 12:49:36 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with posting to questions Message-ID: <20141204124936.191e1b89@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <5480457C.6010308@gmail.com> References: <5480457C.6010308@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1-35-ga8df3ae (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 11:49:40 -0000 On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 19:29:00 +0800, Ernie Luzar wrote: > From what I am receiving it seems I am getting all the questions > traffic but not any posts I make. > It's like my email address is being ignored by this list. > I do get replies to my posts, but never get the original post. > How do I get this fixed? Hi, you could solve it by using an email account from another ISP. http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2014-November/099981.html Previous and next messages are a discussion that doesn't solve the issue, but perhaps this one does help a little bit: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2014-November/100011.html Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 11:51:35 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D0A4AC98 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 11:51:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "ca.infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63F657C5 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 11:51:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zero-gravitas.local (no-reverse-dns.metronet-uk.com [85.199.232.226] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sB4BpSeA043380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 11:51:29 GMT (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.9.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk sB4BpSeA043380 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/sB4BpSeA043380; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none; dkim-atps=neutral X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host no-reverse-dns.metronet-uk.com [85.199.232.226] (may be forged) claimed to be zero-gravitas.local Message-ID: <54804AC0.7000701@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 11:51:28 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman <matthew@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with posting to questions References: <5480457C.6010308@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5480457C.6010308@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.5 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 11:51:35 -0000 On 2014/12/04 11:29, Ernie Luzar wrote: > From what I am receiving it seems I am getting all the questions traffic > but not any posts I make. > It's like my email address is being ignored by this list. > I do get replies to my posts, but never get the original post. > How do I get this fixed? Go to http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions and log into your account there. Find the entry for 'Mail Delivery' and make sure 'enabled' is checked. Matthew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 11:55:34 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14BA0D6A for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 11:55:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm34-vm7.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm34-vm7.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.121]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 669BA7F6 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 11:55:33 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1417694130; bh=ugRc0nUMOOoYkJN/mQZm+po/fsN5k/W4E9iN67F4HIo=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=3hZCGFarj7AFm9rG2s3M1MG9Xh0SJbMhQ5kIyI4viySPBl8F6Dq6yn6ffHsl0HP2HjhO6VexW9++jArX//JxWYIfqem8cTlty5Fl3sT/FLyooVM9DNfIOfq7Ne9XnpsR/abiG5Fgbs0oXf7nNInpbTNxNhDObXE4k/+AT33LhM8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rocketmail.com; b=2zKlaA9XCGMheeeJ2DZPC69PRN1kkyCi3VaUY8aPfYzM0V/3iBSk5HjL0oTnpeka1AMXVUWG4KPxosKsiFQgeVYLIWEG/qiR3SxqYg6ml1xd7DqUIepb1Q9ueQMbv1cSq5ply8nm0OZx5UOY7JwYI6vokd8+c2Ulav1KXMreXME=; Received: from [212.82.98.127] by nm34.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2014 11:55:30 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.83] by tm20.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2014 11:55:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp120.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2014 11:55:29 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 645418.28555.bm@smtp120.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 1pPb8XUVM1nYexQSh22LeuDEX7Tb63kh5RoNNUJWXiCyrpj 5thiBxsQyGdPSb0WLnm5aEmRWBzE.RPaXmrFzu5iL54lSF_usyIRta5B_Oce u0QOOavIRkuswGX24OqBiZAChTHpRhNOvb2DNKW4rQ.Q7ODy0OrUx1YD7ZDN sVonMiXmwg0OaiIaZsMF19Mv88FjtTFm_4Tl4Mx3nMcIRe.QdksNPE5hXwjM Q1lxz7DCY_XItWTDqLDZhyQG4RZxT9lQDtQylNrA7SNWU.sWyYJXqNh4XPf3 p4aLyh6mC6wyMa9D5VFTJi2VvIFrtQCCZ9uMyqktz5aO36486vhjYEo35mFf eU7zzlhxBfUwe7BZkTjABLRM4c5v3T_uTGDpKTMOu5rWWRDn6k_WGV2ZhIfq 9b37JzRqElF5BTdgcRoBP_m.kvgVu8LcWyoN9zIrVpqxWvHrAu1GPxRzTxmy ExztzDjAKnvBlwWcSIRnvSfAGncHIV9O4IA90aKsOE9sga38Zi2AhR9gJO7I Wh0JAgn5W67.Rqw9Zt.piBvgnhvKZsHtqlYQU9G9yAj09y9QCoUIfImZwUOA LfnuUHtI8KTAc2rfS8xT1prHCSu3bIsT.0XoNKK3j5sgUT6ExhpY4DE.GA5E zH7R0jFtKJSZwBAyxccZqJdiL_wojh5H1UF8naoZoH3_z9ju1u7_aWA75 X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 12:55:28 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with posting to questions Message-ID: <20141204125528.73822d1c@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <54804AC0.7000701@FreeBSD.org> References: <5480457C.6010308@gmail.com> <54804AC0.7000701@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1-35-ga8df3ae (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 11:55:34 -0000 On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 11:51:28 +0000, Matthew Seaman wrote: > Go to http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions and > log into your account there. Find the entry for 'Mail Delivery' and > make sure 'enabled' is checked. Unlikely that this is the culprit, since the OP has got an @gmail.com account. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 12:06:03 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31DD615A for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 12:06:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "ca.infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B7FB6915 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 12:06:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zero-gravitas.local (no-reverse-dns.metronet-uk.com [85.199.232.226] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sB4C5v2s043686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 12:05:57 GMT (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.9.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk sB4C5v2s043686 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/sB4C5v2s043686; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none; dkim-atps=neutral X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host no-reverse-dns.metronet-uk.com [85.199.232.226] (may be forged) claimed to be zero-gravitas.local Message-ID: <54804E24.7020105@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 12:05:56 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman <matthew@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with posting to questions References: <5480457C.6010308@gmail.com> <54804AC0.7000701@FreeBSD.org> <20141204125528.73822d1c@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20141204125528.73822d1c@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.5 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 12:06:03 -0000 On 2014/12/04 11:55, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 11:51:28 +0000, Matthew Seaman wrote: >> Go to http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions and >> log into your account there. Find the entry for 'Mail Delivery' and >> make sure 'enabled' is checked. > > Unlikely that this is the culprit, since the OP has got an @gmail.com > account. You're assuming he didn't turn it off accidentally himself. Also, you don't know if the GMail account is what he signed up to the list with. Matthew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 12:12:01 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 093152B2 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 12:12:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm34-vm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm34-vm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.122]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 597CDA04 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 12:12:00 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1417695111; bh=7jYjm5Y+FnbwL1hoc3LNJb7RdbHxN+pMPI8O7tpKOaw=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=kwkTJBFeZ1+fBPOuI/f3dW15f8698PYYVGA7Uumgm4gVaGVyCuJTHas5lzbxuw/PELzhJ4pJwqhw246q0gGmlqZfOTVLICEdLuv0NAAe0wbfAAkc28hZCB34SLjNx7cVEh8pG4TXTQXSxIPqfpZNBlVz7jv0q5JVu4ezXKBNQdk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rocketmail.com; b=HaDsRuVa+4pUgf+b2lOSCe6SJS0Aw0EjMtq56nWep4EHBSP73LIYNKi8YexDeRhCO37nDKGpf3aLe4yZVfGQ/GGVVNAHhSoB/XgqklX9Zadr6cAh8+X9VABlihdmQJyAe/POmPJ2Tbul65D9jxa8mBPOur1Tn9y8O6lXaZ8uhKw=; Received: from [212.82.98.55] by nm34.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2014 12:11:51 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.80] by tm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2014 12:11:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp117.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2014 12:11:51 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 931444.85031.bm@smtp117.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: zTgXmSsVM1lnhnlNkkrNIDDSg2cOlSdjPQM9K7jOcVmoYc6 jpNNNoYzASx09GbqDqt7lVhFLDZQEOcVQ5h3SLDD7jmRHz1iPccI6R.zEZG6 YSKW_Mo1Aq6x26ZwiwS9Ouiwzu6StDXp7tjy1nnLzmxNeRPMeN4NBB7Uq2u5 6UR99nypYCAi4fIhMacm51vc4QFXcQpJ5AzUBN2wBzRqmGeX7lbMBcHYSpSM 6ghBfIyIQ7dPG5hwldsYqGAlDUQ5wOobnejTODBoL3XnnNXfufyQ_w.dmQ6q fU4D8swHkb1Sb3t_kvImxLq.N42vosMM3RDBVDzzeRP3mRT8d22gXLk1nShg pELjOetZDSxOkbEJMm3ScyML8.gC0bDdzTHtFmIDWtW4eq_FN53z4yCHwvV8 L3hEUsTqo_upUbZz_kFTi.sU1juwzSS1s_cwerObbINd_w827FMn7aDD779b ozE3dhV45K0rU1P2ZLY01p3E6oYZm9BH26RMOBlhh3iv97MY9gZAndxiX4at ImRHWbVe90D7_NI1.XAdliOd9d775FQ-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 13:11:50 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with posting to questions Message-ID: <20141204131150.5bdaa192@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <54804E24.7020105@FreeBSD.org> References: <5480457C.6010308@gmail.com> <54804AC0.7000701@FreeBSD.org> <20141204125528.73822d1c@archlinux> <54804E24.7020105@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1-35-ga8df3ae (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 12:12:01 -0000 On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 12:05:56 +0000, Matthew Seaman wrote: > You're assuming he didn't turn it off accidentally himself. Yes, it's an assumption, perhaps the OP disabled delivery, but I don't think so. > Also, you don't know if the GMail account is what he signed up to the > list with. Indeed, for an open mailing list as this one, it's possible to send from another account, but I guess if somebody experiences this issue, one of the first things to troubleshoot would be to send with the registered account. 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[188.220.129.154]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id e7sm40310083wjx.31.2014.12.04.04.24.07 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 04 Dec 2014 04:24:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 12:24:04 +0000 From: RW <rwmaillists@googlemail.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with posting to questions Message-ID: <20141204122404.001952a6@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <5480457C.6010308@gmail.com> References: <5480457C.6010308@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 12:24:12 -0000 On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 19:29:00 +0800 Ernie Luzar wrote: > From what I am receiving it seems I am getting all the questions > traffic but not any posts I make. > It's like my email address is being ignored by this list. > I do get replies to my posts, but never get the original post. > How do I get this fixed? I'm not sure if you can if you are using a mail client with gmail. gmail treats such emails as duplicates of your outgoing copy and suppresses them. What I do is have claws-mail file its sent copy into the same local folder as the list. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 12:28:18 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D4BA6EC for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 12:28:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm39-vm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm39-vm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.161]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EBB0BBA8 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 12:28:17 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1417696095; bh=3A0RU5vsd6dvNcsbTJE6CJw+TpqoYBvn0KupEL0cJZo=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=GtBEy5ajATtt4WtDipn4TwNMyneQMvPdd6c5Om3ueEBcVC1WlVE4+ZIqpCYUaPSIn14J+3NxXoh5ts7XxMxfq/a3nOXk+zPGFRBwsu7jEhgZUsLu1qrjWmeftU1VRQ07XpQQ2jVHJnptfbkAvc+DjA4iXth/z1f7phCe4gnSWP8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rocketmail.com; b=vNaJnqkA+Ebk6TsX+Gj1kAA++0ad+NP4xb7VL6DGaX6yEajZA+QVgCvOvsTarQ1E16U+WU64znJzb95JN7hGydIdjEb4YGyl4S8S4MpO6TIyfY3YMVUeW2I0wC5yhH5nIrFKUdL2woMt3n4QJizbolmrv0vIBXNYophUe8ifU7c=; Received: from [212.82.98.57] by nm39.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2014 12:28:15 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.100] by tm10.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2014 12:28:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp137.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2014 12:28:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 256722.46242.bm@smtp137.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: VnJnLf4VM1mHJv6nAl5jpRQyH11Do72LFFXROVIlXe1mEB3 .o2emdb1lT3hC8LUfiSQwpoe6UeBcwt4YjjxflrUc.Q_s2.JigA6piRyLumz zgl34hOnVLamdFrW5KMkbwT9HEkHaaP26cbQu5X97nvgZMJ0eROYWKi5a5hW I4.L4CrOgruodsa5jW7c8Q.sSUXJQis_LQXZhcCzpBRd_h7b.yWWDgO_Lr7n x1V1U1dD1NoyKtJ_mxHAjCjtEwQBoRgxkh2k_3i7ciLQa5ApPjnjX2SF8WrL 8KvkVIBTylTisuicGwxotRpryqbqnpAuFCpGH1_SBh5bStjvBfPC6omcNNHs yb6kMm.TUfq1cif6rlzfnLtoeMDy_faVbFo1hSVfxqAuOLe6H77fUhiRcIMZ d6tqrWGz_mqB3JnU45LEdv6RhDV.nMmTy9A0CP7nviYrqko9Ynve_czsdtWG E9Rrt4HKrZNe0Z4u1NGfeoFXRxWYxBQB2bDHjocpZeinFskPX_fYmieyUuOK GOmFQUyrVOiwpgrdCIl4C35x4g.gmniGOtxHoEX3.ROi_nK3QuRN6_k52Qbl lfy9JzQ-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 13:28:14 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Problem with posting to questions Message-ID: <20141204132814.4c890aea@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <54804E24.7020105@FreeBSD.org> References: <5480457C.6010308@gmail.com> <54804AC0.7000701@FreeBSD.org> <20141204125528.73822d1c@archlinux> <54804E24.7020105@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1-35-ga8df3ae (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 12:28:18 -0000 On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 12:05:56 +0000, Matthew Seaman wrote: > Find the entry for 'Mail Delivery' and make sure 'enabled' is > checked. The OP receives mails from others, that were sent to the list and perhaps not Cc'ed. Even the "duplicated emails option" provided by mailman isn't related to this issue. For testing purpose the OP should change the email address. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 13:47:05 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F7346AC for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 13:47:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm39-vm7.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm39-vm7.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.166]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE1936B6 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 13:47:03 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1417700815; bh=AjyD9/ZeqXrT28yUBg3qJXN+g/Bno+Psbf0c0v0yHYY=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=XmyXQOBRmPOyWclpY3H3h3S6lCCBXbNPkaUCUkgR+s8ey3++p0BJE8mvT6xgzA4q1xausQj0sIrXse+NrmvcD1D/QSCoM0zavBHWQP23wrxCTdvmibgug8EUM1XybPjSxH9AjD8XbUj4CkAaqalpnXHOU6QTA4JJdq7J6JzVK+s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rocketmail.com; b=Dh5YnZJ4EYVdLOlxgvXgZXmUVAMKrnl+g5m8u8I2eoes5K7WCTb1kiOn6WS/7KSYdYnJbtiaookxNMXTcmJMvsHdgw8zcjqiUl9+H5BqmsMBYvcN1/Ev/z+QnSvc3GMiMYtauoJsDHC9ELY6p1gMftIj2U/pNsO5v4XkoOhv4bA=; Received: from [212.82.98.56] by nm39.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2014 13:46:55 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.91] by tm9.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2014 13:46:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp128.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2014 13:46:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 937693.88660.bm@smtp128.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: kUPjUBwVM1lrtQo.UyFME7U5qb0fUbIxXBRKVxsl16hrcZr PQXAhL9r_sZA7_bn.EEaoVXWnhc7k0CqX1A8wheEHQX4Z6fVUhjipXJs.ttw xeR4XfIw1HEZFB5YtPkSCJTsfLwc8tw_4UgsDEN9q0D8CrtMeZPRGncsj7Bg ofe7HRuJu47.BcA6tghGkRlpgvw6wfJ5E3AAd6n5IMRtZT4JeCHOupH1KKrP it.PfMEIQlC8vQYVStkcrdyViZrcuWfsBQ0PWkEKvdotolpekx0lHyaBP3g8 tfxWcUC42q7KdMPiq_8_c1P2I_L_LVWOrlDJ0X5G3z7g7r9euLaDiCDpbsXy FUE1btAcPYHzFuBmwfOa5Vc8czr7P3yfjI9ZH1HBrnBRUDXWVIXqfsD1brFp ZtcDzY2CrUwJEj1Jnyg313iXBKAv8NJG8wazqRm9mKQGMDiWw0lnaWbHNgeB ywAsrNpYcBr4xlHTt2R3ID1.7ETiQBolJ3NeYOyL3H6vUPVLj98HVBSjexuW liKCb3U8zQCT6nwd3GaH5W8jsY2oEUxTwBic9OswdcsUvBgyOmUc8fN3ahOl 0zRSwcxxiEL30a0B929IySXi8psuOA1lDF6awbwZkMQ_S5rrHO1aY_J1CYwP ra1ZlxbZUligiZn_DvFYMwRVWhu5J7tJT0S5tYK9cvGco46Z2yqY- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 14:46:54 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with posting to questions Message-ID: <20141204144654.008cc21d@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <54804AC0.7000701@FreeBSD.org> References: <5480457C.6010308@gmail.com> <54804AC0.7000701@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1-35-ga8df3ae (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Ernie Luzar <luzar722@gmail.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 13:47:05 -0000 On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 11:51:28 +0000, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 2014/12/04 11:29, Ernie Luzar wrote: > > From what I am receiving it seems I am getting all the questions > > traffic but not any posts I make. > > It's like my email address is being ignored by this list. > > I do get replies to my posts, but never get the original post. > > How do I get this fixed? > > Go to http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions and > log into your account there. Find the entry for 'Mail Delivery' and > make sure 'enabled' is checked. > > Matthew Oops I noticed something bad, just in case that you're not mistaken and assumed the OP isn't aware about the list's archive, we should Cc ;). You missed to Cc too. More replies to this request can be found in the archive: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2014-December/thread.html :D From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 13:56:43 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C4C38993 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 13:56:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.rsle.net (mx1.rsle.net [IPv6:2607:ff40:b0b::4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8609D832 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 13:56:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CLASSIFIED (CLASSIFIED [IPv6:2607:ff40:b0b::3:1415]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx1.rsle.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sB4DufFn032821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 08:56:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@rsle.net) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.5 at antivirus.rsle.net Message-ID: <54806814.4040102@rsle.net> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 08:56:36 -0500 From: "R. Scott Evans" <freebsd-questions@rsle.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with posting to questions References: <5480457C.6010308@gmail.com> <20141204122404.001952a6@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20141204122404.001952a6@gumby.homeunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (mx1.rsle.net [IPv6:2607:ff40:b0b::2]); Thu, 04 Dec 2014 08:56:41 -0500 (EST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 13:56:43 -0000 On 12/04/14 07:24, RW wrote: > On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 19:29:00 +0800 > Ernie Luzar wrote: > >> From what I am receiving it seems I am getting all the questions >> traffic but not any posts I make. >> It's like my email address is being ignored by this list. >> I do get replies to my posts, but never get the original post. >> How do I get this fixed? > > I'm not sure if you can if you are using a mail client with gmail. gmail > treats such emails as duplicates of your outgoing copy and suppresses > them. What I do is have claws-mail file its sent copy into the same > local folder as the list. Actually the OP's problems sounds like possible Gmail DKIM filtering to me... -scott From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 14:38:17 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0FA5A654 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 14:38:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-x231.google.com (mail-wi0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::231]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A20B9D04 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 14:38:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f177.google.com with SMTP id l15so28110820wiw.16 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 06:38:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=b7xuNKjr5ufjbsXJ2HW1vZmAIQfwvQqVvL9lZSP6ep8=; b=xLw2f4J3tJZSnNBwj1K3/1eufkkRo8Sb6nD/Xt/dIfESv6xRrYfg4I8ozvomfGf1vO RnXEMgowCOXf6Y8/nZzrP3d1tJpYkTQR9KKmsmVWx7QnCC1DxIbGb8n43WO4hJi4Tg4j 5blYRDq3Sn+XX+07xwMcgb0Uw+HTfrTcjzutV8RU4pf22Q3d+t/233h0LfyYx4JMCa+p gX1Fj6wN04FcC8WhY4jjfpvIrUoufmVNWg4AjuXB/6usx8oJFZE3XEkpW4JMpQE6z33x tqcniieKrr8yHOmk8BvlQyN1KGGUMZyEAg5luTdmrrZSXlZSuni4Sxv2RXijYZXSyVRF WQjA== X-Received: by 10.180.99.1 with SMTP id em1mr22218133wib.29.1417703894823; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 06:38:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bcdc819a.skybroadband.com. [188.220.129.154]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id wb9sm27365818wic.20.2014.12.04.06.38.13 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 04 Dec 2014 06:38:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 14:38:10 +0000 From: RW <rwmaillists@googlemail.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with posting to questions Message-ID: <20141204143810.0a1e55bf@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <54806814.4040102@rsle.net> References: <5480457C.6010308@gmail.com> <20141204122404.001952a6@gumby.homeunix.com> <54806814.4040102@rsle.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 14:38:17 -0000 On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 08:56:36 -0500 R. Scott Evans wrote: > On 12/04/14 07:24, RW wrote: > > On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 19:29:00 +0800 > > Ernie Luzar wrote: > > > >> From what I am receiving it seems I am getting all the questions > >> traffic but not any posts I make. > >> It's like my email address is being ignored by this list. > >> I do get replies to my posts, but never get the original post. > >> How do I get this fixed? > > > > I'm not sure if you can if you are using a mail client with gmail. > > gmail treats such emails as duplicates of your outgoing copy and > > suppresses them. What I do is have claws-mail file its sent copy > > into the same local folder as the list. > > Actually the OP's problems sounds like possible Gmail DKIM filtering > to me... All FreeBSD lists change the DKIM body hash of all in-list mail. I'd expect to see far more mail dropped by gmail if that were the case. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 15:57:47 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9809AEC2 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 15:57:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mario.brtsvcs.net (mario.brtsvcs.net [199.48.128.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D785A33 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 15:57:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from chombo.houseloki.net (c-71-59-211-166.hsd1.or.comcast.net [71.59.211.166]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mario.brtsvcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4EE642C160F; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 15:57:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:baca:3aff:fe83:bd29] (ivy.libssl.so [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:baca:3aff:fe83:bd29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by chombo.houseloki.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0FAF51AD6; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 07:57:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5480846B.9090908@bluerosetech.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 07:57:31 -0800 From: Darren Pilgrim <list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Benfell <benfell@parts-unknown.org>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: switching from ports to pkg -- mailman group mismatch References: <20141204045849.GA4247@home.parts-unknown.org> In-Reply-To: <20141204045849.GA4247@home.parts-unknown.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 15:57:47 -0000 On 12/3/2014 8:58 PM, David Benfell wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm having to give up on ports. Way too many are broken. > > So now I'm trying to fix mailman and it's stupid group mismatch error. > > Nothing I'm finding on the web is offering a fix that actually works. > How do I fix it? Did you look at the Mailman FAQ? http://goo.gl/MlPNkO The pkg is compiled with the default values shown in the port's Makefile. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 16:00:48 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 28B631A8 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 16:00:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D0C50B04 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 16:00:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-19-12.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.19.12]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id sB4FtaX7025250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 09:55:37 -0600 Message-ID: <5480856F.8050504@hiwaay.net> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 10:01:51 -0600 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" <wam@hiwaay.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "FreeBSD Questions !!!!" <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: nspluginwrapper still depends on linux-f10 .... 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[root@kabini1, /etc, 10:01:24am] 324 % uname -a FreeBSD kabini1.local 9.3-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p3 #0: Mon Oct 20 15:08:33 UTC 2014 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:01:27am] 325 % -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 16:16:05 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1502193B for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 16:16:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-x22d.google.com (mail-wg0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::22d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A659CB9 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 16:16:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f45.google.com with SMTP id b13so23141011wgh.4 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 08:16:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=WjmPv0OBCNy2yPVLgQGLxWpjgrlG9FLdii4p1P7V4eY=; b=UW7LXVpRLj3kHRNjcuYaotARLswx0GEzknnU9s0gLHs2YeqzaO9Q5lkJ14f459qEV2 RbyHT2BCFNOiOdeA8lqVbo6V6NGgLO3UEOA8beZn0YGgByOig791kRTnyqtD1v/7P7V0 l5DpbRveVSVs3atnHBRcYTEfmdRMpZhLU144YgQuRUl5LhwnvkUy/bzBabS3gzDq7FtL 5fN+AuwfBEtZtbUe6ugdqeiUALr8g9rgAOzgfpfF+z9mnCDETMO3FicDtnRb0CQ8vAeC DEQWVKgXltB2G8UXUFdjr8ltQV0jZm77nxgDXDmZV+BwMESK5H5IZtNDPAqEUy4JUIg1 PWvw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.91.193 with SMTP id cg1mr28496354wib.26.1417709763144; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 08:16:03 -0800 (PST) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.216.106.195 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 08:16:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1570500894.2577952.1417536479067.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10964.mail.sg3.yahoo.com> References: <1570500894.2577952.1417536479067.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10964.mail.sg3.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 08:16:03 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5m6f6deEhA4TAJvqZQ-XG5bOwpA Message-ID: <CAJ-VmontTH9uhhosHVEsvvYnmCbEFXcgCccJ4x5QLa-s7uc5-w@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Hot Plug CPU / Hot Add RAM From: Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> To: Bhaskar Singhal <bhaskarsinghal@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 16:16:05 -0000 Not at the moment. -a On 2 December 2014 at 08:07, Bhaskar Singhal via freebsd-questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > Hi, > Does freebsd support hot plug CPU or hot add memory? > Regards,Bhaskar > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 16:18:22 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CC260A02 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 16:18:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5962CE5 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 16:18:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 2E72633C1E; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 11:18:21 -0500 (EST) From: Lowell Gilbert <freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org> To: Andre Goree <andre@drenet.net> Subject: Re: Issue with swap file References: <d37ad41e7e524b0547545ac5ae3c329a@drenet.net> <44fvcwgzaw.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <2a3b7da1d03fd215ba1792e6617cfdb7@drenet.net> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 11:18:21 -0500 In-Reply-To: <2a3b7da1d03fd215ba1792e6617cfdb7@drenet.net> (Andre Goree's message of "Wed, 03 Dec 2014 18:24:19 -0500") Message-ID: <44wq675qya.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 16:18:22 -0000 Andre Goree <andre@drenet.net> writes: > On 12/03/2014 5:10 pm, Lowell Gilbert wrote: >> Andre Goree <andre@drenet.net> writes: >> >>> Several months ago, I followed the procedure here[1] for creating a >>> swap file. This worked great for a long time, up until my last reboot >>> which coincided with an update to 10.1. >>> >>> agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % grep swap /etc/fstab >>> md99 none swap sw,file=/usr/swap 0 0 >>> agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % sudo swapon -a >>> swapon: mdconfig (attach) error: md99 on file=/usr/swap >>> >>> I've also tried zero-writing the file again, to no avail. Any ideas? >>> >>> [1] https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/adding-swap-space.html >> >> Strange, I haven't run into any problems. And annoying that the error >> message is so unhelpful. When that error message gets printed, swapon >> has tried to run mdconfig and gotten an error back, but has no idea >> what >> the problem was. At that point, it has already checked that the md >> device is available, which eliminates my best guess at a diagnosis. >> >> The way you can get more information is by running the mdconfig command >> by hand, just as swapon would have, and see what *it* reports to you. >> mdconfig -a -t vnode -n -f /usr/swap >> >> Very likely, it will tell you exactly what to fix. > > I tried creating a new one (hence the '/usr/swap0' vs. '/usr/swap' in > the output below) and still got the same error. Here's the > [disheartening] output from the command you gave: > > agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % sudo swapon -a > swapon: mdconfig (attach) error: md99 on file=/usr/swap0 > agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % sudo mdconfig -a -t vnode -n -f /usr/swap0 > 0 Okay, that means mdconfig can attach the file to an md device. That eliminates my next guess, which was that md support wasn't working for some reason (such as not being in your kernel configuration). The only difference I can see is the unit number, which I forgot to include in the command. Maybe if you try mdconfig -a -t vnode -n -f /usr/swap -u 99 that will fail with an informative error message. If that doesn't help, I'm baffled. 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[193.239.202.173]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id eu8sm17013409wib.21.2014.12.04.08.19.32 for <multiple recipients> (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 04 Dec 2014 08:19:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54808994.5040205@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 17:19:32 +0100 From: Andrei Brezan <andrei693@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nspluginwrapper still depends on linux-f10 .... References: <5480856F.8050504@hiwaay.net> In-Reply-To: <5480856F.8050504@hiwaay.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Andrei Brezan <andrei693@gmail.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 16:19:35 -0000 On 12/04/14 17:01, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > > > .... as of this A.M. .... Could we get this fixed to depend on > linux-c6 instead :-) ? > > [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:01:24am] 324 % uname -a > FreeBSD kabini1.local 9.3-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p3 #0: Mon > Oct 20 15:08:33 UTC 2014 > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:01:27am] 325 % > > % pkg info -d nspluginwrapper nspluginwrapper-1.4.4_4: linux-c6-xorg-libs-7.4_1 libXext-1.3.3,1 libX11-1.6.2_2,1 pango-1.36.8 linux-c6-pango-1.28.1_1 linux-c6-gtk2-2.24.23_1 libXt-1.1.4_2,1 gtk2-2.24.25_1 linux-c6-fontconfig-2.8.0_1 linux-c6-expat-2.0.1_1 linux-c6-tiff-3.9.4_1 linux-c6-png-1.2.49_1 linux-c6-jpeg-1.2.1_1 linux-c6-gdk-pixbuf2-2.24.1 linux-c6-cairo-1.8.8_1 curl-7.39.0 linux_base-c6-6.6_1 pcre-8.35_1 glib-2.42.1 linux-c6-atk-1.30.0 atk-2.14.0 Did you follow 20140922 from /usr/ports/UPDATING? If you installed precompiled packages that might be a different thing. -- Andrei From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 16:28:28 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D8E4C6A for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 16:28:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5550EE1E for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 16:28:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-19-12.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.19.12]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id sB4GSQIp024180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 10:28:27 -0600 Message-ID: <54808D21.3070603@hiwaay.net> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 10:34:41 -0600 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" <wam@hiwaay.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nspluginwrapper still depends on linux-f10 .... References: <5480856F.8050504@hiwaay.net> <54808994.5040205@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <54808994.5040205@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 16:28:28 -0000 On 12/04/14 10:19, Andrei Brezan wrote: > On 12/04/14 17:01, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >> >> >> .... as of this A.M. .... Could we get this fixed to depend on >> linux-c6 instead :-) ? >> >> [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:01:24am] 324 % uname -a >> FreeBSD kabini1.local 9.3-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p3 #0: Mon >> Oct 20 15:08:33 UTC 2014 >> root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 >> [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:01:27am] 325 % >> >> > > % pkg info -d nspluginwrapper > nspluginwrapper-1.4.4_4: > linux-c6-xorg-libs-7.4_1 > libXext-1.3.3,1 > libX11-1.6.2_2,1 > pango-1.36.8 > linux-c6-pango-1.28.1_1 > linux-c6-gtk2-2.24.23_1 > libXt-1.1.4_2,1 > gtk2-2.24.25_1 > linux-c6-fontconfig-2.8.0_1 > linux-c6-expat-2.0.1_1 > linux-c6-tiff-3.9.4_1 > linux-c6-png-1.2.49_1 > linux-c6-jpeg-1.2.1_1 > linux-c6-gdk-pixbuf2-2.24.1 > linux-c6-cairo-1.8.8_1 > curl-7.39.0 > linux_base-c6-6.6_1 > pcre-8.35_1 > glib-2.42.1 > linux-c6-atk-1.30.0 > atk-2.14.0 > > Did you follow 20140922 from /usr/ports/UPDATING? > > If you installed precompiled packages that might be a different thing. > Forgot to mention, I used 'pkg upgrade -y ' after checking for what was available w/ 'pkg version -vRL=', which showed much stuff, w/ nspluginwrapper marked as locked (by me, to try & circumvent the dependency-reinstall of linux-f10, followed by manual deinstall & reinstall of linux-c6), sorry for the omission .... I thought that pkg's were built from ports by maintainers .... If so, it would seem that the above mentioned (proper) dependencies would have taken effect, which is kinda what I am asking about. I use pkg exclusively to maintain packages, except for linux-c6-flashplugin11, which I use ports for. BTW, it reinstalls older linux-c6 files, which I then (try to) manually upgrade back to latest, except for a lockup w/ dependencies on linux-f10 by nspluginwrapper :-) .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 16:30:08 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C3669D25 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 16:30:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F64CE40 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 16:30:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-19-12.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.19.12]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id sB4GU7C7025284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 10:30:07 -0600 Message-ID: <54808D86.7070209@hiwaay.net> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 10:36:22 -0600 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" <wam@hiwaay.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nspluginwrapper still depends on linux-f10 .... References: <5480856F.8050504@hiwaay.net> <54808994.5040205@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <54808994.5040205@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 16:30:08 -0000 On 12/04/14 10:19, Andrei Brezan wrote: > On 12/04/14 17:01, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >> >> >> .... as of this A.M. .... Could we get this fixed to depend on >> linux-c6 instead :-) ? >> >> [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:01:24am] 324 % uname -a >> FreeBSD kabini1.local 9.3-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p3 #0: Mon >> Oct 20 15:08:33 UTC 2014 >> root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 >> [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:01:27am] 325 % >> >> > > % pkg info -d nspluginwrapper > nspluginwrapper-1.4.4_4: > linux-c6-xorg-libs-7.4_1 > libXext-1.3.3,1 > libX11-1.6.2_2,1 > pango-1.36.8 > linux-c6-pango-1.28.1_1 > linux-c6-gtk2-2.24.23_1 > libXt-1.1.4_2,1 > gtk2-2.24.25_1 > linux-c6-fontconfig-2.8.0_1 > linux-c6-expat-2.0.1_1 > linux-c6-tiff-3.9.4_1 > linux-c6-png-1.2.49_1 > linux-c6-jpeg-1.2.1_1 > linux-c6-gdk-pixbuf2-2.24.1 > linux-c6-cairo-1.8.8_1 > curl-7.39.0 > linux_base-c6-6.6_1 > pcre-8.35_1 > glib-2.42.1 > linux-c6-atk-1.30.0 > atk-2.14.0 > > Did you follow 20140922 from /usr/ports/UPDATING? > > If you installed precompiled packages that might be a different thing. > P.S. to last reply, on my system: [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:35:29am] 370 % pkg info -d nspluginwrapper nspluginwrapper-1.4.4_4: linux-f10-xorg-libs-7.4_1 libXext-1.3.3,1 libX11-1.6.2_2,1 pango-1.36.8 linux-f10-pango-1.28.3_1 linux-f10-gtk2-2.14.7_5 libXt-1.1.4_2,1 gtk2-2.24.25_1 linux-f10-fontconfig-2.6.0_1 linux-f10-expat-2.0.1_1 linux-f10-tiff-3.8.2 linux-f10-png-1.2.37_2 linux-f10-jpeg-6b linux-f10-cairo-1.8.0_3 curl-7.39.0 linux_base-f10-10_8 pcre-8.35_1 glib-2.42.0 linux-f10-atk-1.24.0_1 atk-2.14.0 [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:35:30am] 370 % -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 16:33:55 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32CC3E1D for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 16:33:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0ADAF0E for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 16:33:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-19-12.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.19.12]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id sB4GXrfc028363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 10:33:53 -0600 Message-ID: <54808E68.20908@hiwaay.net> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 10:40:08 -0600 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" <wam@hiwaay.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nspluginwrapper still depends on linux-f10 .... References: <5480856F.8050504@hiwaay.net> <54808994.5040205@gmail.com> <54808D86.7070209@hiwaay.net> In-Reply-To: <54808D86.7070209@hiwaay.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 16:33:55 -0000 On 12/04/14 10:36, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > On 12/04/14 10:19, Andrei Brezan wrote: >> On 12/04/14 17:01, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >>> >>> >>> .... as of this A.M. .... Could we get this fixed to depend on >>> linux-c6 instead :-) ? >>> >>> [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:01:24am] 324 % uname -a >>> FreeBSD kabini1.local 9.3-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p3 #0: Mon >>> Oct 20 15:08:33 UTC 2014 >>> root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 >>> [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:01:27am] 325 % >>> >>> >> >> % pkg info -d nspluginwrapper >> nspluginwrapper-1.4.4_4: >> linux-c6-xorg-libs-7.4_1 >> libXext-1.3.3,1 >> libX11-1.6.2_2,1 >> pango-1.36.8 >> linux-c6-pango-1.28.1_1 >> linux-c6-gtk2-2.24.23_1 >> libXt-1.1.4_2,1 >> gtk2-2.24.25_1 >> linux-c6-fontconfig-2.8.0_1 >> linux-c6-expat-2.0.1_1 >> linux-c6-tiff-3.9.4_1 >> linux-c6-png-1.2.49_1 >> linux-c6-jpeg-1.2.1_1 >> linux-c6-gdk-pixbuf2-2.24.1 >> linux-c6-cairo-1.8.8_1 >> curl-7.39.0 >> linux_base-c6-6.6_1 >> pcre-8.35_1 >> glib-2.42.1 >> linux-c6-atk-1.30.0 >> atk-2.14.0 >> >> Did you follow 20140922 from /usr/ports/UPDATING? >> >> If you installed precompiled packages that might be a different thing. >> > > P.S. to last reply, on my system: > > > [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:35:29am] 370 % pkg info -d nspluginwrapper > nspluginwrapper-1.4.4_4: > linux-f10-xorg-libs-7.4_1 > libXext-1.3.3,1 > libX11-1.6.2_2,1 > pango-1.36.8 > linux-f10-pango-1.28.3_1 > linux-f10-gtk2-2.14.7_5 > libXt-1.1.4_2,1 > gtk2-2.24.25_1 > linux-f10-fontconfig-2.6.0_1 > linux-f10-expat-2.0.1_1 > linux-f10-tiff-3.8.2 > linux-f10-png-1.2.37_2 > linux-f10-jpeg-6b > linux-f10-cairo-1.8.0_3 > curl-7.39.0 > linux_base-f10-10_8 > pcre-8.35_1 > glib-2.42.0 > linux-f10-atk-1.24.0_1 > atk-2.14.0 > [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:35:30am] 370 % > > More info: [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:32:08am] 360 % cat make.conf WITH_PKGNG=yes OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT=c6 OVERRIDE_LINUX_NONBASE_PORTS=c6 CPUTYPE=native WITH_NEW_XORG=yes MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER=4 FORCE_PKG_REGISTER=yes [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:37:37am] 361 % cat sysctl.conf # $FreeBSD: releng/9.3/etc/sysctl.conf 112200 2003-03-13 18:43:50Z mux $ # # This file is read when going to multi-user and its contents piped thru # ``sysctl'' to adjust kernel values. ``man 5 sysctl.conf'' for details. # # Uncomment this to prevent users from seeing information about processes that # are being run under another UID. #security.bsd.see_other_uids=0 compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.18 net.inet.tcp.log_in_vain=0 # logs stuff about stray TCP inputs from other machines .... [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:38:04am] 362 % ll make.conf sysctl.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 150 Dec 4 09:34 make.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 492 Oct 12 13:29 sysctl.conf [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:38:24am] 363 % I added the last line to make.conf this A.M., did the rest earlier (weeks ago) .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 16:37:17 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CF2FF19 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 16:37:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D72B5F40 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 16:37:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.143] ([95.91.231.122]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lq9oW-1XReQb3bbU-00dr61; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 17:37:13 +0100 Message-ID: <54808DBA.4080309@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 17:37:14 +0100 From: Lokadamus <lokadamus@gmx.de> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fernando_Apestegu=EDa?= <fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com>, User Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: X related problems in 10.1 References: <CAGwOe2bLq-_ZgVkA0rEq3uhiU6d+64d4WPhP3BvYdLGDGTwgyA@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAGwOe2bLq-_ZgVkA0rEq3uhiU6d+64d4WPhP3BvYdLGDGTwgyA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:bckB91BcF7JmB0jHxP9m5nmiNPxEVhhPsLAbDHRxEzWVyj2PBRD 6j7bz5pBPFE51P90st8NzcqvMxkYXNUjSmJsDch6Dp8g0cscltAodqf7SAXvIG2yVxBL/mD hCBMkGNcWtCTKE40TEhVbWvA1L9qGySXH9YO7jTjctSopc1lGzuKu/uwHUiH2I/PoYQy8RM Uaa9PzP+pq+NMSEGbuKwA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 16:37:17 -0000 Am 03.12.2014 23:56, schrieb Fernando Apesteguía: > Hi, > > Since I upgraded my old laptop to 10.1 release I'm seeing some weird > behavior when I try to launch the X server (I use startx for this). > > Sometimes, the screen goes blank and the error message in the log is: > > config/hal: couldn't initialise context: unknown error (null) > > Other times, fluxbox starts correctly but I don't have neither mouse > nor keyboard and the error message is this: > > (EE) config/hal: couldn't find input device: > org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Disconnected (Connection was disconnected > before a reply was received) > > But sometimes, the X server starts just fine. > > I can post my xorg.conf if necessary. > > Any help is appreciated. > > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Hi, Can you post your /var/log/xorg.log? Regards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 16:43:00 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DAEF6C9 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 16:43:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.parts-unknown.org (mail.parts-unknown.org [50.250.218.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B23578F for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 16:43:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.parts-unknown.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 921FA5F23581; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 08:42:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 08:42:59 -0800 From: David Benfell <benfell@parts-unknown.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: switching from ports to pkg -- mailman group mismatch Message-ID: <20141204164259.GA45875@home.parts-unknown.org> References: <20141204045849.GA4247@home.parts-unknown.org> <5480846B.9090908@bluerosetech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5480846B.9090908@bluerosetech.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 16:43:00 -0000 --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 07:57:31AM -0800, Darren Pilgrim wrote: > On 12/3/2014 8:58 PM, David Benfell wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I'm having to give up on ports. Way too many are broken. > > > > So now I'm trying to fix mailman and it's stupid group mismatch error. > > > > Nothing I'm finding on the web is offering a fix that actually works. > > How do I fix it? >=20 > Did you look at the Mailman FAQ? http://goo.gl/MlPNkO >=20 > The pkg is compiled with the default values shown in the port's Makefile. I found a problem when, in desperation, I recompiled the port. There, it says that the pkg assumes sendmail: I use postfix. There are a couple bad things here. First, and most obvious, there seems to be no way to meaningfully track down this error. I was just mystified and left without a clue. And I don't even have a good reason for why group ownership should be an issue. This smells to high heaven like a problem somebody created because they *thought* it would improve security somehow, without any clear notion of *how* it would improve security. Second, I now find myself in a situation where some software must be installed with pkg and some must be installed from ports. If it's just mailman, that's one thing. If it becomes a bunch of packages, I have a real mess on my hands. I've seen the advice about sticking with default choices in configuring port installations. If you can have any choices you like as long as they're the defaults, then what, really, is the point of having ports? --=20 David Benfell <benfell@parts-unknown.org> See https://parts-unknown.org/node/2 if you don't understand the attachment. --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUgI8GAAoJEBV64x4SNmArUFQP/3fWnBuQOpLAfYBh/LIfw/+2 RgtGvvnGXzDp9xiqxbPQNRwz+BoK7KUUwxNBrfYIfmaSrnMRD0s+rmlXuGegqTiP JUycw3Rwt6VRMLOYRG7lPrdL3C4xCq5jWNQjuLv/fPFkNjyCWepc67v8ebd99jl/ h5/41C7jDLEajDHxwLzVZWO/3z9oppD2r638gMbeumyeyZpaPTZSFec3LuwdWa7I QKitvNFQys6x/3lm6Vpa0sl4MoZQrfua1Rale4HqXCQtbwWblBBOKvK/fKfwnQDE +ov/wY/NzuKQK+e8WzWpwM4eoy+u0Z9F4p1jWM2if7jM/yQYnKqg0MP0959U5uIY MasAp6xd7IVV6Dd3Q68a2vw9HYHJVAhKN8zygWfJGUCXDMkLuVpSTmbzI2ZhRJDW aILfWQbbN6RK3SAmbWaLm8pg6M0c/dFZYPQd1wLisLqJ8/Uwu6rfVRFgiYeYr6uF vOEmnJ/H8Tdznm0I19Fk8BTpVBrd1rxIjqBzfDAp8AIYfe0lDO1TnUmRiFwdYYmK FpgJBqpzfGIYe7MyAPw/ytPlbtbEIjNrLICjrBclJh4OSaTGHFjQMcZ2VSDqXxob 5OHj9avbUogRnVaI1mHKLSL5TIQrmu8Zb0Fe0gSxhjABgS4PnjPG+iI7AwrnF/oh tDAUOOvzHrTOhgXdbbZO =wJsQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 16:49:05 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 394892FE for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 16:49:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.ssimicro.com (mail.ssimicro.com [64.247.129.10]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.ssimicro.com", Issuer "RapidSSL SHA256 CA - G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB42CED for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 16:49:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from markham.ssimicro.com (markham.ssimicro.com [64.247.130.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.ssimicro.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id sB4GbhJ0055676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 4 Dec 2014 09:37:44 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <54808DD8.9070606@corp.ssimicro.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 09:37:44 -0700 From: markham breitbach <markhamb@corp.ssimicro.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ian Lord <lordi@msdi.ca>, "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Backup solution for freeBSD/Symantec Backup exec porting References: <999d7e80e60f466682c736f275b75788@Server02.ad.ezmax.ca> In-Reply-To: <999d7e80e60f466682c736f275b75788@Server02.ad.ezmax.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 16:49:05 -0000 On 2014-12-03 5:01 PM, Ian Lord wrote: > Hi, > > I've been using freebsd since version 4.11 and always dealt with backup= semi manually with dump, copying files over, database dumps, etc. > > By the way, not as a home user, but for 8-10 servers used in a SAAS app= lication. We are looking for something more serious as we are dealing wit= h about 10TB of data for documents, and 600-800 gigs of SQL database. Eve= rything is redundant, replicated, etc, but we need a serious backup solut= ion. > > We are thinking of purchasing a DELL Powervault LT2000 device which con= sists of 1 or 2 LTO6 tape drives with 24 slots giving 60TB of data space = for retention > > I've read a lot on the subject and many people seem to do dumps on a re= mote HD, etc, but to get to 60TB of disk space would cost a lot and would= be less reliable then a tape library in my opinion. I guess it depends a little bit on your application, but I am assuming you are looking for something to do daily backups. Speaking from some rather miserable personal experiences, I would strongly recommend not using tapes for backup. Pretty much every tape backup system I have used has been unable to restore any/all of the files required when I needed them. They always worked great in all the tests, but when it came down to an actual failure the tapes were useless.= When you are looking at costs, don't forget to factor in the cost of replacing ALL the tapes every 30 or 60 days. That's probably about $500-$1000/month. A reasonable life expectancy for most HDDs is about 3 years, and usually you can push them to 5, so just the cost of tapes over a 3 year span will buy you over 500TB of storage up front.=20 Backblaze and Google have some interesting reports on drive lifespan as well (LMGTFY...) > > We need something automated and reliable. Hopefully, with a nice gui to= restore individual files etc... > > We already have backup exec 2014 for our windows servers, but they don'= t make an agent for freebsd. > Symantec has netbackup which supports FreeBSD, but it seems really expe= nsive (A rep will call me, tells all about the price lol) > > I've read on Bacula and Amanda, and it really doesn't feel like a produ= ct mature enough (outdated documentation, no clear indication the tape li= brary would work, etc). Their commercial counterparts are really expensiv= es... I'm afraid to purchase hardware, new server, etc and end up with no= thing working. The great thing about running something like Bacula or Amanda on FreeBSD is that it will run on just about anything (even that old 486 propping open the server room door, really!) Install it, and try it out. See if it meets your needs on a small subset of your data. It will take some time, but if it works, you save your company a pile of money and look like a star, and if not then you can also say you have looked at all the available options and you look like a star! :) We have developed an in-house system that works very similar to Bacula and Amanda: basically rsync and rotating hardlinks, that allow us to store incremental backups that look like full backup sets, and since usually less then 5% of the data changes on a daily basis (YMMV) we can keep a lot of them on one disk system, and do things like weekly/monthly/yearly snapshots.=20 The key to using this is developing a restore procedure BEFORE you need it and documenting it thoroughly, so when you actually need it 12 months later, you can follow the procedure quickly and easily (or the new guy can). It never hurts to find some time to do DR drills as well. Set aside a Friday and do a test restore to a spare system. > > In the past, we used backup exec to backup freebsd using their legacy b= ackup agents in linux compat mode and it was working really well. We trie= d (without extensive effort) to make work their linux agent on freebsd wi= thout success. > > So my questions are: > > 1- Does anyone have a tape library working with bacula or Amanda ?= Does it work well ? (meaning stable, reliable and good performance) > > 2- Would anyone be willing to try to make backup exec work on free= bsd using linux compat mode ? I would be willing to finance the project u= p to 500$ perhaps other people reading this could also contribute to have= more man hours on this task. > > I love so much FreeBSD Over Linux, but it's always hard to get support = from vendors... We are even evaluating to switch our fileservers to Cento= s (where we also dump sql databases and could replicate important data fr= om freeBSD) to be able to easily back them up using Backup Exec's agent. = But this would be my last resort as I don't want to support linux box whe= re everything else in in FreeBSD. > > Any help/comment would be appreciated. > > Thanks > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Ian Lord > MSD Informatique > 143 Rue des Fauvettes > St-Colomban (Qu=E9bec) J5K 0E2 > T=E9l: (514) 776-6734 #201 > Sans Frais: 1(877) 776-6734 #201 > http://www.msdi.ca/ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd= =2Eorg" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 16:52:15 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F63E4C5 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 16:52:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nqhost.drenet.net (nqhost.drenet.net [184.95.47.164]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61D0D1C8 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 16:52:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nqhost.drenet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9199D3AE56; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 11:52:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from nqhost.drenet.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nqhost.drenet.net [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31601-05; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 11:52:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by nqhost.drenet.net (Postfix, from userid 80) id 5E0733AE32; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 11:52:07 -0500 (EST) To: Lowell Gilbert <freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org> Subject: Re: Issue with swap file X-PHP-Originating-Script: 501:rcube.php MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 11:52:07 -0500 From: Andre Goree <andre@drenet.net> In-Reply-To: <44wq675qya.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> References: <d37ad41e7e524b0547545ac5ae3c329a@drenet.net> <44fvcwgzaw.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <2a3b7da1d03fd215ba1792e6617cfdb7@drenet.net> <44wq675qya.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Message-ID: <3aff40bfeeb66db5cf30286a804ea5d0@drenet.net> X-Sender: andre@drenet.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.0.2 Cc: FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 16:52:15 -0000 On 12/04/2014 11:18 am, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Andre Goree <andre@drenet.net> writes: > >> On 12/03/2014 5:10 pm, Lowell Gilbert wrote: >>> Andre Goree <andre@drenet.net> writes: >>> >>>> Several months ago, I followed the procedure here[1] for creating a >>>> swap file. This worked great for a long time, up until my last >>>> reboot >>>> which coincided with an update to 10.1. >>>> >>>> agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % grep swap /etc/fstab >>>> md99 none swap sw,file=/usr/swap 0 0 >>>> agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % sudo swapon -a >>>> swapon: mdconfig (attach) error: md99 on file=/usr/swap >>>> >>>> I've also tried zero-writing the file again, to no avail. Any >>>> ideas? >>>> >>>> [1] https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/adding-swap-space.html >>> >>> Strange, I haven't run into any problems. And annoying that the error >>> message is so unhelpful. When that error message gets printed, swapon >>> has tried to run mdconfig and gotten an error back, but has no idea >>> what >>> the problem was. At that point, it has already checked that the md >>> device is available, which eliminates my best guess at a diagnosis. >>> >>> The way you can get more information is by running the mdconfig >>> command >>> by hand, just as swapon would have, and see what *it* reports to you. >>> mdconfig -a -t vnode -n -f /usr/swap >>> >>> Very likely, it will tell you exactly what to fix. >> >> I tried creating a new one (hence the '/usr/swap0' vs. '/usr/swap' in >> the output below) and still got the same error. Here's the >> [disheartening] output from the command you gave: >> >> agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % sudo swapon -a >> swapon: mdconfig (attach) error: md99 on file=/usr/swap0 >> agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % sudo mdconfig -a -t vnode -n -f /usr/swap0 >> 0 > > Okay, that means mdconfig can attach the file to an md device. That > eliminates my next guess, which was that md support wasn't working for > some reason (such as not being in your kernel configuration). > > The only difference I can see is the unit number, which I forgot to > include in the command. Maybe if you try > mdconfig -a -t vnode -n -f /usr/swap -u 99 > that will fail with an informative error message. If that doesn't help, > I'm baffled. Progress perhaps being made. agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % sudo mdconfig -a -t vnode -n -f /usr/swap0 -u 99 mdconfig: ioctl(/dev/mdctl): Device busy agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % swapinfo Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % Wtf? This is the newly created file too... -- Andre Goree -=-=-=-=-=- Email - andre at drenet.net Website - http://www.drenet.net PGP key - http://www.drenet.net/pubkey.txt -=-=-=-=-=- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 16:55:27 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19B607B6 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 16:55:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.radel.com (fly.radel.com [70.184.242.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9CAD4215 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 16:55:26 +0000 (UTC) X-CGP-ClamAV-Result: CLEAN X-VirusScanner: Niversoft's CGPClamav Helper v1.16.8 (ClamAV engine v0.97.8) Received: from [2001:470:880a:4389:5a7:d849:1ac3:463e] (account jon@radel.com HELO gravenstein.local) by radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.4 _community_) with ESMTPSA id 475798; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 16:55:17 +0000 Message-ID: <548091F4.6040400@radel.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 11:55:16 -0500 From: Jon Radel <jon@radel.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, luzar722@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Problem with posting to questions References: <5480457C.6010308@gmail.com> <54804AC0.7000701@FreeBSD.org> <20141204125528.73822d1c@archlinux> <54804E24.7020105@FreeBSD.org> <20141204132814.4c890aea@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20141204132814.4c890aea@archlinux> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms030809090804000600080001" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 16:55:27 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms030809090804000600080001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12/4/14, 7:28 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 12:05:56 +0000, Matthew Seaman wrote: >> Find the entry for 'Mail Delivery' and make sure 'enabled' is >> checked. > The OP receives mails from others, that were sent to the list and > perhaps not Cc'ed. Even the "duplicated emails option" provided by > mailman isn't related to this issue. For testing purpose the OP should > change the email address. Maybe before he goes to all that trouble he should check the "Receive your own posts to the list?" setting in the list options? 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<http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 17:04:08 -0000 More a "for the archives post" as it took me a while to find this, but if you are using an mfi based controller and using the disks as unconfigured jbod, the mfi controller might by default spindown inactive drives. If you have a somewhat busy server, this is not an issue. The drive will spin down with a message to the console something like Power state change on PD 1d(e0xf5/s0) from ON(0) to POWERSAVE(1) Writing to the disk will spin it up, but this can take a bit of time and can cause an OS error. To disable this behavior, the MegaCli tool from the ports seems to be able to adjust this setting. ( I tried from the BIOS, and its not there) # MegaCli -AdpSetProp -EnblSpinDownUnConfigDrvs 0 -aAll Adapter 0: Set Disable Spin Down of Unconfigured Drives : success. Exit Code: 0x00 My card is a 9240-8i # mfiutil show firmware mfi0 Firmware Package Version: 20.13.1-0208 mfi0 Firmware Images: Name Version Date Time Status BIOS 4.38.02.2_4.16.08.00_0x06060A05 07/23/2014 07/23/2014 active PCLI 03.02-020:#%00009 May 07 2012 13:21:53 active BCON 4.0-61-e_50-Rel Sep 09 2014 11:45:57 active NVDT 3.09.03-0064 Oct 06 2014 12:00:15 active APP 2.130.404-3836 Oct 16 2014 06:50:12 active BTBL 2.02.00.00-0001 Aug 18 2010 11:44:44 active # mfiutil show adapter mfi0 Adapter: Product Name: LSI MegaRAID SAS 9240-8i Serial Number: SP12147654 Firmware: 20.13.1-0208 RAID Levels: JBOD, RAID0, RAID1, RAID5, RAID10, RAID50 Battery Backup: not present NVRAM: 32K Onboard Memory: 0M Minimum Stripe: 8K Maximum Stripe: 64K A small caveat, the tool also lets you control the same behavior for hot spares. However, the perspective is opposite. # MegaCli -AdpSetProp -DsblSpinDownHSP 1 -aAll Adapter 0: Set Disable spin Down of Hot Spares : success. Exit Code: 0x00 vs # MegaCli -AdpSetProp -EnblSpinDownUnConfigDrvs 0 -aAll Adapter 0: Set Disable Spin Down of Unconfigured Drives : success. Exit Code: 0x00 10.1-STABLE FreeBSD 10.1-STABLE #14 r275472: Wed Dec 3 22:46:51 EST 2014 ---Mike -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 17:04:09 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 978E9B36 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 17:04:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm40-vm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm40-vm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F38C5358 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 17:04:03 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1417712633; bh=L3VRZsL+7UhcbPg6MNPz2CTWMjFJ8NRdZe3hgM/1e3E=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=srReMqEJYj3gns4vGADuz15fg7g8bx0yVr8kvWtA2ESawOxDZslzQXZyg83AUThs+BGJKAPAQeQyMBB4NukO3raPqYm4VL4xj4d37Qz1QpP4yZJTGLrF8dCmo3Z+xILaz9Jxf8ShrEqAKFAGrW3O262zrh/GVIw/5QoIaqjO4G8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rocketmail.com; b=iaSo6S9QQxndggv1BzvhX2T8d7GdTMVGUn3RBdslhr02MWlpiMS+BdCIxDSYm3+2h8S0e2DS59iKNm4oMDsudNDLfb/29g0l6330+koYa1u73L2y+GFJyStpH6ghDHHotCCSypB822WW8PvFOsmUw9DX4sF15jZl0VYB1uKQE3I=; Received: from [212.82.98.61] by nm40.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2014 17:03:53 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.66] by tm14.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2014 17:03:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp103.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2014 17:03:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 172917.62021.bm@smtp103.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: b.BneAQVM1lMeDMnztEHTPernjDwdaKsahnj1ca.FNH_C1K 2JjqxstJnrhO_9k9TUodSEqFWe3yZeXH.GsrWrMPNKiA.WGTvlOBW_tMptQm 5YzYsbgN1Kru.ET4LiBYpNpgl.KpZh7PLz2wuI6nXlXT7R1hPCt9Qixkm4rG RiCeWa4eGsWKdly3gfqwKXTwnJvoaHVXR31X4lLgD4RYLLf021ZhoHDHQQHo S737NnQDnNB9UfxBSzjA8o2z95w3BdvmoXXLtmfxFNKtQzhaCaYX.tHzhVXW vibooNZqzb1CL5gyNn9xuA4cC3vrc1.fJh4ifKv5WcvLOL0zcqRMEpEZYIcX ZWkoXfRRN.z_FbSLNLaJV4UkhJLIRaqf5XU.yLi4xFdJiHZ9EkGO_FORg.R9 LbYF7rpRG4Uv7ERUkQvmtwO.8iSD8oK8J.mji.ShFUd6YICePZ4RPDhA54mq P4zft2HID9Buh8swnXOug1ROylfwaAlzbxkYEjOnxxfXj3k17rHYd.auCeLv fO6DVnUaOPQVinlidPJhtp8LNTOgwKWtGO_4gZBvg.LDSvfobj6Rd2wL0vyu nQY20.b9qelLcsnpLeTWUGjRlJ3QcdzgElJt8kPU2e9geYaO8AjGuuOLtc69 9ciK71zbydnpuLgFzqv_uZF_SrJe2iF9IkUolzWOKbEwusXvdqZPTSoqY809 CdrKRKiuBgY6WV_0osoMcobFJfuY- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 18:03:51 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with posting to questions Message-ID: <20141204180351.038a5893@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <548091F4.6040400@radel.com> References: <5480457C.6010308@gmail.com> <54804AC0.7000701@FreeBSD.org> <20141204125528.73822d1c@archlinux> <54804E24.7020105@FreeBSD.org> <20141204132814.4c890aea@archlinux> <548091F4.6040400@radel.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1-35-ga8df3ae (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 17:04:09 -0000 On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 11:55:16 -0500, Jon Radel wrote: > On 12/4/14, 7:28 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 12:05:56 +0000, Matthew Seaman wrote: > >> Find the entry for 'Mail Delivery' and make sure 'enabled' is > >> checked. > > The OP receives mails from others, that were sent to the list and > > perhaps not Cc'ed. Even the "duplicated emails option" provided by > > mailman isn't related to this issue. For testing purpose the OP > > should change the email address. > > Maybe before he goes to all that trouble he should check the "Receive > your own posts to the list?" setting in the list options? It may be > there's > some deep pathological problem elsewhere, but you might was well > start by checking the setting that's designed to create exactly what > you're seeing. :-) A few weeks ago this was my first though too: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2014-November/099978.html But this isn't the problem, it's gmail. JFTR I experience the same with a Yahoo account. Not with my Rocketmail accounts, even while Rocketmail is owned by Yahoo. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 17:13:40 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33D2F2A5 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 17:13:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-17.italiaonline.it (smtp-17.italiaonline.it [212.48.25.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA1FD67D for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 17:13:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from soth.ventu ([151.41.147.207]) by smtp-17.iol.local with bizsmtp id PVDV1p0124Uiovr0HVDWc5; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 18:13:31 +0100 x-libjamoibt: 1601 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=dPcomYpb c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=WmI8W7flXuVK/ohg2x4ixg==:117 a=WmI8W7flXuVK/ohg2x4ixg==:17 a=Yd-oHch9f_kA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=A92cGCtB03wA:10 a=SAOgFgb-3yWgPCTbgRcA:9 a=8SkekAqJ-eb5C4Mk:21 a=z6zHcTYDp_W09Wl6:21 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.ventu [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.14.9/8.14.7) with ESMTP id sB4HDTnM060533 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 18:13:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Message-ID: <54809639.4070103@netfence.it> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 18:13:29 +0100 From: Andrea Venturoli <ml@netfence.it> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backup solution for freeBSD/Symantec Backup exec porting References: <999d7e80e60f466682c736f275b75788@Server02.ad.ezmax.ca> In-Reply-To: <999d7e80e60f466682c736f275b75788@Server02.ad.ezmax.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 17:13:40 -0000 On 12/04/14 01:01, Ian Lord wrote: > Hi, > > I've been using freebsd since version 4.11 and always dealt with backup semi manually with dump, copying files over, database dumps, etc. > > By the way, not as a home user, but for 8-10 servers used in a SAAS application. We are looking for something more serious as we are dealing with about 10TB of data for documents, and 600-800 gigs of SQL database. Everything is redundant, replicated, etc, but we need a serious backup solution. > > We are thinking of purchasing a DELL Powervault LT2000 device which consists of 1 or 2 LTO6 tape drives with 24 slots giving 60TB of data space for retention > > I've read a lot on the subject and many people seem to do dumps on a remote HD, etc, but to get to 60TB of disk space would cost a lot and would be less reliable then a tape library in my opinion. > > We need something automated and reliable. Hopefully, with a nice gui to restore individual files etc... > > We already have backup exec 2014 for our windows servers, but they don't make an agent for freebsd. > Symantec has netbackup which supports FreeBSD, but it seems really expensive (A rep will call me, tells all about the price lol) > > I've read on Bacula and Amanda, and it really doesn't feel like a product mature enough (outdated documentation, no clear indication the tape library would work, etc). Their commercial counterparts are really expensives... I'm afraid to purchase hardware, new server, etc and end up with nothing working. > > In the past, we used backup exec to backup freebsd using their legacy backup agents in linux compat mode and it was working really well. We tried (without extensive effort) to make work their linux agent on freebsd without success. > > So my questions are: > > 1- Does anyone have a tape library working with bacula or Amanda ? Does it work well ? (meaning stable, reliable and good performance) > > 2- Would anyone be willing to try to make backup exec work on freebsd using linux compat mode ? I would be willing to finance the project up to 500$ perhaps other people reading this could also contribute to have more man hours on this task. > > I love so much FreeBSD Over Linux, but it's always hard to get support from vendors... We are even evaluating to switch our fileservers to Centos (where we also dump sql databases and could replicate important data from freeBSD) to be able to easily back them up using Backup Exec's agent. But this would be my last resort as I don't want to support linux box where everything else in in FreeBSD. > > Any help/comment would be appreciated. Just some thoughts... Many others have suggested to avoid tapes; they have some points, but I think they are much too pessimistics. I personally manage several backup systems, some based on tapes, some on disks, some on a mix of the two. Think twice before moving from tapes to disk; both have their pros and cons. I'm using Bacula in at least four different scenarios and I can't agree with you when you deem it as immature. Sure it has some rough edges (what big program doesn't?), but it never failed me. Also I found its documentation far from bad. I can't tell you anything about tape library support, though, since I never used a tape library. Also, it comes without a GUI; personally I'm fine with CLI, but I agree in this case there are some shortcomings. There are plenty of web interfaces available, though I'm still waiting to find some time to try them. In one case I replaced Backup Exec with Bacula and everyone is much happier that way. Resist rolling your own solution: while in some cases this is unavoidable, it will be hard to maintain and a cursed heritage the day you leave it to someone else. Just my 2c. bye av. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 17:14:55 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECA31380 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 17:14:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bede.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7AACF69D for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 17:14:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.home.qeng-ho.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id sB4HBd17077016; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 17:11:39 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Message-ID: <548095CB.9070804@qeng-ho.org> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 17:11:39 +0000 From: Arthur Chance <freebsd@qeng-ho.org> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andre Goree <andre@drenet.net>, Lowell Gilbert <freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org> Subject: Re: Issue with swap file References: <d37ad41e7e524b0547545ac5ae3c329a@drenet.net> <44fvcwgzaw.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <2a3b7da1d03fd215ba1792e6617cfdb7@drenet.net> <44wq675qya.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <3aff40bfeeb66db5cf30286a804ea5d0@drenet.net> In-Reply-To: <3aff40bfeeb66db5cf30286a804ea5d0@drenet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 17:14:55 -0000 On 04/12/2014 16:52, Andre Goree wrote: > On 12/04/2014 11:18 am, Lowell Gilbert wrote: >> Andre Goree <andre@drenet.net> writes: >> >>> On 12/03/2014 5:10 pm, Lowell Gilbert wrote: >>>> Andre Goree <andre@drenet.net> writes: >>>> >>>>> Several months ago, I followed the procedure here[1] for creating a >>>>> swap file. This worked great for a long time, up until my last reboot >>>>> which coincided with an update to 10.1. >>>>> >>>>> agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % grep swap /etc/fstab >>>>> md99 none swap sw,file=/usr/swap 0 0 >>>>> agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % sudo swapon -a >>>>> swapon: mdconfig (attach) error: md99 on file=/usr/swap >>>>> >>>>> I've also tried zero-writing the file again, to no avail. Any ideas? >>>>> >>>>> [1] https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/adding-swap-space.html >>>> >>>> Strange, I haven't run into any problems. And annoying that the error >>>> message is so unhelpful. When that error message gets printed, swapon >>>> has tried to run mdconfig and gotten an error back, but has no idea >>>> what >>>> the problem was. At that point, it has already checked that the md >>>> device is available, which eliminates my best guess at a diagnosis. >>>> >>>> The way you can get more information is by running the mdconfig command >>>> by hand, just as swapon would have, and see what *it* reports to you. >>>> mdconfig -a -t vnode -n -f /usr/swap >>>> >>>> Very likely, it will tell you exactly what to fix. >>> >>> I tried creating a new one (hence the '/usr/swap0' vs. '/usr/swap' in >>> the output below) and still got the same error. Here's the >>> [disheartening] output from the command you gave: >>> >>> agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % sudo swapon -a >>> swapon: mdconfig (attach) error: md99 on file=/usr/swap0 >>> agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % sudo mdconfig -a -t vnode -n -f /usr/swap0 >>> 0 >> >> Okay, that means mdconfig can attach the file to an md device. That >> eliminates my next guess, which was that md support wasn't working for >> some reason (such as not being in your kernel configuration). >> >> The only difference I can see is the unit number, which I forgot to >> include in the command. Maybe if you try >> mdconfig -a -t vnode -n -f /usr/swap -u 99 >> that will fail with an informative error message. If that doesn't help, >> I'm baffled. > > Progress perhaps being made. > > agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % sudo mdconfig -a -t vnode -n -f /usr/swap0 -u 99 > mdconfig: ioctl(/dev/mdctl): Device busy > agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % swapinfo > Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity > agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % > > Wtf? This is the newly created file too... > Have you tried "mdconfig -l" to see what existing md devs there are? Device busy often means "we've got one already". -- Those who do not learn from computing history are doomed to GOTO 1 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 17:33:15 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2138F9C2 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 17:33:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 10pmail.ess.barracuda.com (10pmail.ess.barracuda.com [64.235.150.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5663591E for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 17:33:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from modemcable009.181-203-24.mc.videotron.ca (modemcable009.181-203-24.mc.videotron.ca [24.203.181.9]) by mx14.ess.sfj.cudaops.com (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 04 Dec 2014 17:33:05 +0000 X-BESS-ID: 1417714385-531714-6313-8-1 X-BESS-VER: 2.5.3-r1411251633 X-BESS-Apparent-Source-IP: 24.203.181.9 X-BESS-Outbound-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-BESS-Outbound-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.2.154630 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------- 0.00 BSF_BESS_OUTBOUND META: BESS Outbound 0.00 HELO_DYNAMIC_DHCP HEADER: Relay HELO'd using suspicious hostname (DHCP) X-BESS-Outbound-Spam-Status: SCORE=0.00 using account:ESS21901 scores of KILL_LEVEL=8.0 tests=BSF_BESS_OUTBOUND, HELO_DYNAMIC_DHCP X-BESS-BRTS-Status: 1 Received: from Server02.ad.ezmax.ca (192.168.0.6) by Server02.ad.ezmax.ca (192.168.0.6) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.913.22; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 12:32:36 -0500 Received: from Server02.ad.ezmax.ca ([::1]) by Server02.ad.ezmax.ca ([::1]) with mapi id 15.00.0913.011; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 12:32:18 -0500 From: Ian Lord <lordi@msdi.ca> To: Andrea Venturoli <ml@netfence.it>, "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: RE: Backup solution for freeBSD/Symantec Backup exec porting Thread-Topic: Backup solution for freeBSD/Symantec Backup exec porting Thread-Index: AdAPU2lynqG5qtBcS1maXjj78WJW+gAvB7KAAAo79CA= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 17:32:17 +0000 Message-ID: <bdfa05850a3e46f6aae49f0d5cf266d5@Server02.ad.ezmax.ca> References: <999d7e80e60f466682c736f275b75788@Server02.ad.ezmax.ca> <54809639.4070103@netfence.it> In-Reply-To: <54809639.4070103@netfence.it> Accept-Language: en-US, fr-CA Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.0.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 17:33:15 -0000 >Just some thoughts... >Many others have suggested to avoid tapes; they have some points, but I th= ink they are much too pessimistics. I personally >manage several backup sys= tems, some based on tapes, some on disks, some on a mix of the two.=20 >Think twice before moving from tapes to disk; both have their pros and con= s. >I'm using Bacula in at least four different scenarios and I can't agree wi= th you when you deem it as immature. Sure it has some >rough edges (what bi= g program doesn't?), but it never failed me. >Also I found its documentation far from bad. >I can't tell you anything about tape library support, though, since I neve= r used a tape library. >Also, it comes without a GUI; personally I'm fine with CLI, but I agree in= this case there are some shortcomings. There are plenty >of web interfaces= available, though I'm still waiting to find some time to try them. >In one case I replaced Backup Exec with Bacula and everyone is much happie= r that way. >Just my 2c. >bye > av. I know I am going against the trend as everyone is talking about using HD a= s a backup device, but we are looking as something "my life will depend on"= . If we were to loose data, we would end up with a multi-million dollars la= w suit and we'll just go bankrupt. As we are a SAAS solution, everything is already redundant, we can drop a p= lane in one of our datacenter and customer won't even notice (technically s= peaking) as everything is load balanced and replicated live across the site= s. We have very high security with loadbalancers, IDS, DDOS protection, etc. But let say a hacker would manage to get in and play around, or even an ang= ry employee, or... A simple "rm -r /" and all of our protection is gone. Our 2 distant copies = and the zfs snapshots also... It's kinda hard for a hacker to format all the tapes in a library furthermo= re, some tapes will be put in a safe... I love the idea of using HD, so simple, cheap and fast, but if you need abs= olute peace of mind, I think a tape backup is much more reliable in this se= nse in my opinion. That's why I'm trying to see if bacula could be a good solution in our scen= ario. You seem to indicate Bacula is reliable and mature enough to be used in suc= h a "life threatening lol" situation. I'll read more on it and try to figur= e out if my tape library would work >From there webpage, the supported autoloaders is really outdated. http://blog.bacula.org/general/supported-autochangers/ When you are referring to freebsd 4.9 with a 45G Tape, it's hard to be reas= sured and purchase equipment upfront. If I had that kind of equipment in my= lab I would test it out but unfortunately I don't (I'm talking about the L= TO6 tape library). I've posted a message on bacula's list to see if someone= have a working setup. Thanks a lot for your message. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ian Lord MSD Informatique 143 Rue des Fauvettes St-Colomban (Qu=E9bec) J5K 0E2 T=E9l: (514) 776-6734 #201 Sans Frais: 1(877) 776-6734 #201 http://www.msdi.ca/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 17:43:47 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64D46E56 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 17:43:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nqhost.drenet.net (nqhost.drenet.net [184.95.47.164]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C11FA4C for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 17:43:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nqhost.drenet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA883B0D0; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 12:43:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from nqhost.drenet.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nqhost.drenet.net [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31671-10; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 12:43:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by nqhost.drenet.net (Postfix, from userid 80) id C3A613B0CE; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 12:43:32 -0500 (EST) To: Arthur Chance <freebsd@qeng-ho.org> Subject: Re: Issue with swap file X-PHP-Originating-Script: 501:rcube.php MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 12:43:32 -0500 From: Andre Goree <andre@drenet.net> In-Reply-To: <548095CB.9070804@qeng-ho.org> References: <d37ad41e7e524b0547545ac5ae3c329a@drenet.net> <44fvcwgzaw.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <2a3b7da1d03fd215ba1792e6617cfdb7@drenet.net> <44wq675qya.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <3aff40bfeeb66db5cf30286a804ea5d0@drenet.net> <548095CB.9070804@qeng-ho.org> Message-ID: <7ba31d742a6cfa5d5250c982d0b3835f@drenet.net> X-Sender: andre@drenet.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.0.2 Cc: Lowell Gilbert <freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org>, FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 17:43:47 -0000 On 12/04/2014 12:11 pm, Arthur Chance wrote: > On 04/12/2014 16:52, Andre Goree wrote: >> On 12/04/2014 11:18 am, Lowell Gilbert wrote: >>> Andre Goree <andre@drenet.net> writes: >>> >>>> On 12/03/2014 5:10 pm, Lowell Gilbert wrote: >>>>> Andre Goree <andre@drenet.net> writes: >>>>> >>>>>> Several months ago, I followed the procedure here[1] for creating >>>>>> a >>>>>> swap file. This worked great for a long time, up until my last >>>>>> reboot >>>>>> which coincided with an update to 10.1. >>>>>> >>>>>> agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % grep swap /etc/fstab >>>>>> md99 none swap sw,file=/usr/swap 0 0 >>>>>> agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % sudo swapon -a >>>>>> swapon: mdconfig (attach) error: md99 on file=/usr/swap >>>>>> >>>>>> I've also tried zero-writing the file again, to no avail. Any >>>>>> ideas? >>>>>> >>>>>> [1] https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/adding-swap-space.html >>>>> >>>>> Strange, I haven't run into any problems. And annoying that the >>>>> error >>>>> message is so unhelpful. When that error message gets printed, >>>>> swapon >>>>> has tried to run mdconfig and gotten an error back, but has no idea >>>>> what >>>>> the problem was. At that point, it has already checked that the md >>>>> device is available, which eliminates my best guess at a diagnosis. >>>>> >>>>> The way you can get more information is by running the mdconfig >>>>> command >>>>> by hand, just as swapon would have, and see what *it* reports to >>>>> you. >>>>> mdconfig -a -t vnode -n -f /usr/swap >>>>> >>>>> Very likely, it will tell you exactly what to fix. >>>> >>>> I tried creating a new one (hence the '/usr/swap0' vs. '/usr/swap' >>>> in >>>> the output below) and still got the same error. Here's the >>>> [disheartening] output from the command you gave: >>>> >>>> agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % sudo swapon -a >>>> swapon: mdconfig (attach) error: md99 on file=/usr/swap0 >>>> agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % sudo mdconfig -a -t vnode -n -f /usr/swap0 >>>> 0 >>> >>> Okay, that means mdconfig can attach the file to an md device. That >>> eliminates my next guess, which was that md support wasn't working >>> for >>> some reason (such as not being in your kernel configuration). >>> >>> The only difference I can see is the unit number, which I forgot to >>> include in the command. Maybe if you try >>> mdconfig -a -t vnode -n -f /usr/swap -u 99 >>> that will fail with an informative error message. If that doesn't >>> help, >>> I'm baffled. >> >> Progress perhaps being made. >> >> agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % sudo mdconfig -a -t vnode -n -f /usr/swap0 -u 99 >> mdconfig: ioctl(/dev/mdctl): Device busy >> agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % swapinfo >> Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity >> agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % >> >> Wtf? This is the newly created file too... >> > > Have you tried "mdconfig -l" to see what existing md devs there are? > Device busy often means "we've got one already". Figured a reboot might help...it did not :/ 1 agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % sudo swapon -a swapon: md99 on /usr/swap0: Device already in use agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % sudo mdconfig -l md99 agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % sudo swapinfo Device 512-blocks Used Avail Capacity agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % Lol wtf...is it possible that it's actually in use, but just not reporting it via the 'swap*' commands? FWIW, it does not show in top either. -- Andre Goree -=-=-=-=-=- Email - andre at drenet.net Website - http://www.drenet.net PGP key - http://www.drenet.net/pubkey.txt -=-=-=-=-=- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 19:55:24 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A01BE5DA for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 19:55:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7923DBA2 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 19:55:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 2592433C1E; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 14:55:22 -0500 (EST) From: Lowell Gilbert <freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org> To: Andre Goree <andre@drenet.net> To: FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Issue with swap file References: <d37ad41e7e524b0547545ac5ae3c329a@drenet.net> <44fvcwgzaw.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <2a3b7da1d03fd215ba1792e6617cfdb7@drenet.net> <44wq675qya.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <3aff40bfeeb66db5cf30286a804ea5d0@drenet.net> Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 14:55:22 -0500 In-Reply-To: <3aff40bfeeb66db5cf30286a804ea5d0@drenet.net> (Andre Goree's message of "Thu, 04 Dec 2014 11:52:07 -0500") Message-ID: <44oarj5gwl.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 19:55:24 -0000 Andre Goree <andre@drenet.net> writes: > Progress perhaps being made. > > agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % sudo mdconfig -a -t vnode -n -f /usr/swap0 -u 99 > mdconfig: ioctl(/dev/mdctl): Device busy > agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % swapinfo > Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity > agoree@fbsd10-atl ~ % > > Wtf? This is the newly created file too... fstat /usr/swap0 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 19:59:30 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 03D386C8 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 19:59:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-x231.google.com (mail-wi0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::231]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D2ABBD6 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 19:59:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f177.google.com with SMTP id l15so29139088wiw.4 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 11:59:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5a1JuxiQ92NO/wNkU21au+m3Od0CXFKN2d4ss4636XQ=; b=paWF082POvsm0eT1GACvQPJOKGReu5aREMONhFhDo886GADAmz5gq/V0NE7WWPMM3Q IVpBddF5+n5yueJJ5k/P0zvBUDSO8ZtMvSUSGu7g0Qpq2rbKoq7EULHSwx1rehWvcgEA WfR3x1PcN2Gqcch2sTZjSa2AAJTHEBYzXYFmLsDU2vLdBYd1OmAIq43SlBYeV39XJcY3 VzBJdZogPcfI8qm0f6nfl9zBKV/2otf+GHWkAeQY0n+VSQ8dm/5otq4ZfM6fpQGaGpdb pSxTlGjdsihSmdfocec/b6UxKSceHIG548wGK+SDy++Gl4j7th3Otl5V7ZvLx38WNYz/ xgAA== X-Received: by 10.180.74.236 with SMTP id x12mr25432032wiv.40.1417723167804; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 11:59:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from t510.bsoft-company.ro (ip5450aabf.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl. [84.80.170.191]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id h14sm42689956wic.8.2014.12.04.11.59.27 for <multiple recipients> (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 04 Dec 2014 11:59:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5480BD1E.4090103@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 20:59:26 +0100 From: Andrei Brezan <andrei693@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nspluginwrapper still depends on linux-f10 .... References: <5480856F.8050504@hiwaay.net> <54808994.5040205@gmail.com> <54808D86.7070209@hiwaay.net> <54808E68.20908@hiwaay.net> In-Reply-To: <54808E68.20908@hiwaay.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 19:59:30 -0000 On 12/04/14 17:40, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > On 12/04/14 10:36, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >> On 12/04/14 10:19, Andrei Brezan wrote: >>> On 12/04/14 17:01, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> .... as of this A.M. .... Could we get this fixed to depend on >>>> linux-c6 instead :-) ? >>>> >>>> [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:01:24am] 324 % uname -a >>>> FreeBSD kabini1.local 9.3-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p3 #0: Mon >>>> Oct 20 15:08:33 UTC 2014 >>>> root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 >>>> [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:01:27am] 325 % >>>> >>>> >>> >>> % pkg info -d nspluginwrapper >>> nspluginwrapper-1.4.4_4: >>> linux-c6-xorg-libs-7.4_1 >>> libXext-1.3.3,1 >>> libX11-1.6.2_2,1 >>> pango-1.36.8 >>> linux-c6-pango-1.28.1_1 >>> linux-c6-gtk2-2.24.23_1 >>> libXt-1.1.4_2,1 >>> gtk2-2.24.25_1 >>> linux-c6-fontconfig-2.8.0_1 >>> linux-c6-expat-2.0.1_1 >>> linux-c6-tiff-3.9.4_1 >>> linux-c6-png-1.2.49_1 >>> linux-c6-jpeg-1.2.1_1 >>> linux-c6-gdk-pixbuf2-2.24.1 >>> linux-c6-cairo-1.8.8_1 >>> curl-7.39.0 >>> linux_base-c6-6.6_1 >>> pcre-8.35_1 >>> glib-2.42.1 >>> linux-c6-atk-1.30.0 >>> atk-2.14.0 >>> >>> Did you follow 20140922 from /usr/ports/UPDATING? >>> >>> If you installed precompiled packages that might be a different thing. >>> >> >> P.S. to last reply, on my system: >> >> >> [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:35:29am] 370 % pkg info -d nspluginwrapper >> nspluginwrapper-1.4.4_4: >> linux-f10-xorg-libs-7.4_1 >> libXext-1.3.3,1 >> libX11-1.6.2_2,1 >> pango-1.36.8 >> linux-f10-pango-1.28.3_1 >> linux-f10-gtk2-2.14.7_5 >> libXt-1.1.4_2,1 >> gtk2-2.24.25_1 >> linux-f10-fontconfig-2.6.0_1 >> linux-f10-expat-2.0.1_1 >> linux-f10-tiff-3.8.2 >> linux-f10-png-1.2.37_2 >> linux-f10-jpeg-6b >> linux-f10-cairo-1.8.0_3 >> curl-7.39.0 >> linux_base-f10-10_8 >> pcre-8.35_1 >> glib-2.42.0 >> linux-f10-atk-1.24.0_1 >> atk-2.14.0 >> [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:35:30am] 370 % >> >> > > More info: > > > [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:32:08am] 360 % cat make.conf > WITH_PKGNG=yes > OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT=c6 > OVERRIDE_LINUX_NONBASE_PORTS=c6 > CPUTYPE=native > WITH_NEW_XORG=yes > MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER=4 > FORCE_PKG_REGISTER=yes > [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:37:37am] 361 % cat sysctl.conf > # $FreeBSD: releng/9.3/etc/sysctl.conf 112200 2003-03-13 18:43:50Z mux $ > # > # This file is read when going to multi-user and its contents piped thru > # ``sysctl'' to adjust kernel values. ``man 5 sysctl.conf'' for details. > # > > # Uncomment this to prevent users from seeing information about > processes that > # are being run under another UID. > #security.bsd.see_other_uids=0 > > compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.18 > net.inet.tcp.log_in_vain=0 # logs stuff about stray TCP inputs > from other machines .... > > [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:38:04am] 362 % ll make.conf sysctl.conf > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 150 Dec 4 09:34 make.conf > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 492 Oct 12 13:29 sysctl.conf > [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:38:24am] 363 % > > I added the last line to make.conf this A.M., did the rest earlier > (weeks ago) .... > If you want to combine a public repo with custom compiled packages from /usr/ports I think you will need to lock all packages that depend on linux- and linux_base and build them from ports in your case. From what I know pkg doesn't check /etc/make.conf to see what options you might want overridden; I don't think packages are available with all the combinations of options. I might be wrong and there might be a public repo that uses linux-c6. /etc/make.conf is sourced when you compile something from ports for example. -- Andrei From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 21:24:01 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9D2EB51 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 21:24:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from luigi.brtsvcs.net (luigi.brtsvcs.net [IPv6:2607:fc50:1000:1f00::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C4EF8863 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 21:24:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from chombo.houseloki.net (unknown [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:21c:c0ff:fe7f:96ee]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by luigi.brtsvcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 417942D4F9B; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 21:24:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:baca:3aff:fe83:bd29] (ivy.libssl.so [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:baca:3aff:fe83:bd29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by chombo.houseloki.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8C8D01B3B; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 13:23:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5480D0E7.60103@bluerosetech.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 13:23:51 -0800 From: Darren Pilgrim <list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Benfell <benfell@parts-unknown.org>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: switching from ports to pkg -- mailman group mismatch References: <20141204045849.GA4247@home.parts-unknown.org> <5480846B.9090908@bluerosetech.com> <20141204164259.GA45875@home.parts-unknown.org> In-Reply-To: <20141204164259.GA45875@home.parts-unknown.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 21:24:02 -0000 On 12/4/2014 8:42 AM, David Benfell wrote: > On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 07:57:31AM -0800, Darren Pilgrim wrote: >> On 12/3/2014 8:58 PM, David Benfell wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I'm having to give up on ports. Way too many are broken. >>> >>> So now I'm trying to fix mailman and it's stupid group mismatch error. >>> >>> Nothing I'm finding on the web is offering a fix that actually works. >>> How do I fix it? >> >> Did you look at the Mailman FAQ? http://goo.gl/MlPNkO >> >> The pkg is compiled with the default values shown in the port's Makefile. > > I found a problem when, in desperation, I recompiled the port. > > There, it says that the pkg assumes sendmail: I use postfix. That likely means mailman assumes there's a sendmail program it can use for mail injection. Does it "just work" if you tell postfix to activate itself in mailer.conf? > Second, I now find myself in a situation where some software must be > installed with pkg and some must be installed from ports. If it's just > mailman, that's one thing. If it becomes a bunch of packages, I have a > real mess on my hands. It's fine to mix them. I have a handful of ports on everyt system I have to compile myself--mostly because I want them linked to the ports OpenSSL, but there are some that need non-default values. I just keep them locked so a pkg-upgrade doesn't touch them. If you end up with a lot of compiled ports, set up poudrerie. > I've seen the advice about sticking with default choices in > configuring port installations. If you can have any choices you like > as long as they're the defaults, then what, really, is the point of > having ports? Where did you see this advice? About all that happens is pkg will report "options changed" and want to reinstall it from the package. Pkg-lock is your friend. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 21:41:49 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E38BFAD for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 21:41:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from miucha.iecc.com (abusenet-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:1126::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "miucha.iecc.com", Issuer "StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F178C9D2 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 21:41:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 36224 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2014 21:41:44 -0000 Received: from miucha.iecc.com (64.57.183.18) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2014 21:41:44 -0000 Date: 4 Dec 2014 21:41:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20141204214125.33860.qmail@ary.lan> From: "John Levine" <johnl@iecc.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: switching from ports to pkg -- mailman group mismatch In-Reply-To: <20141204164259.GA45875@home.parts-unknown.org> Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Cc: benfell@parts-unknown.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 21:41:49 -0000 >Second, I now find myself in a situation where some software must be >installed with pkg and some must be installed from ports. If it's just >mailman, that's one thing. If it becomes a bunch of packages, I have a >real mess on my hands. Yes, we have a mess. If you need a port compiled with other than the standard options, you can't use the package, and it's a challenge to keep pkg from stomping your locally compiled versions. I lock the locally built packages with pkg lock, and every once in a while look to see if the port's updated, in which case I unlock it use portmaster to update it, then lock the new version. R's, John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 22:05:01 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20C4D5EC for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 22:05:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-x229.google.com (mail-wg0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABD15C98 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 22:05:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f41.google.com with SMTP id y19so23855099wgg.28 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 14:04:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CD5TPLCkg+IaZ/6LDtFpBftAaKHimQlsxzA8bfc+Gn8=; b=TcZFPB/C5c5XYvYIJZEttmtWc7/nG5Fw3P3p6BzgGVvi7f8DEEbqBrv5+QhfD7b1dG 3F11SZA2xmSxfUJxlhJ4S+Ip0x3QSPVQsHrbZqPhnl/6GXBYrClLqiz1sFGrkvlTttx/ C03HU2hq08SArCRv9U2/hGCOlAIGzdS6/NGgvzdoJ1ElojTWMTC3DxttZma+mslCcWjH UilFJpnkly6M6JcL3GB1kKs15rgn0wL87EBATiyNfD5boNLs/XkgUE3rhbpC16LqgYhQ NU6T8wtgRMXiEK6RDq3z2utrcptxoVcAKajoBE8d3IJkKjkd3TvAOCW0YVB1UzMqhui0 mDNQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.195.11.38 with SMTP id ef6mr19212450wjd.68.1417730698978; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 14:04:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.198.52 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 14:04:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <54808DBA.4080309@gmx.de> References: <CAGwOe2bLq-_ZgVkA0rEq3uhiU6d+64d4WPhP3BvYdLGDGTwgyA@mail.gmail.com> <54808DBA.4080309@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 23:04:58 +0100 Message-ID: <CAGwOe2ZvW22T6Zt9bWL_Ovn6G17dA0vW_GQT3Hq_OatL2ZDMLw@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: X related problems in 10.1 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Fernando_Apestegu=C3=ADa?= <fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com> To: Lokadamus <lokadamus@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: User Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 22:05:01 -0000 On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Lokadamus <lokadamus@gmx.de> wrote: > Am 03.12.2014 23:56, schrieb Fernando Apestegu=C3=ADa: > >> Hi, >> >> Since I upgraded my old laptop to 10.1 release I'm seeing some weird >> behavior when I try to launch the X server (I use startx for this). >> >> Sometimes, the screen goes blank and the error message in the log is: >> >> config/hal: couldn't initialise context: unknown error (null) >> >> Other times, fluxbox starts correctly but I don't have neither mouse >> nor keyboard and the error message is this: >> >> (EE) config/hal: couldn't find input device: >> org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Disconnected (Connection was disconnected >> before a reply was received) >> >> But sometimes, the X server starts just fine. >> >> I can post my xorg.conf if necessary. >> >> Any help is appreciated. >> >> Thanks. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> > Hi, > > Can you post your /var/log/xorg.log? Well, apparently no need now. gnome-terminal was not working either. The reason was that gnome-terminal-server didn't start due to not having a UTF-8 locale. I fixed that in /etc/login.conf and that somehow fixed my other problem. Anyway, thanks a lot! > > Regards > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 22:18:16 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 517B8969; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 22:18:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-x242.google.com (mail-pa0-x242.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::242]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F89ADD7; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 22:18:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f66.google.com with SMTP id rd3so7624550pab.5 for <multiple recipients>; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 14:18:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JnjZEJVu6P+cMWsIMrgZu/Cm1M+8ZHK5ilL/yBSQuco=; b=u+2YqlEFTQnOYrI6hUK3/N0eIsDxtGGFwfi3q6iH4/hG7xlzR7r1SPHw8kBVF3feVQ g95blsVLpN3gojNNkbt0HP+5MxhC6GgnFNiZy3mmlpN4Khh4oS6UAT/2OeeUIKwUcXfl ZXx3ArvvDKwNyDtwq8Pn5egHRPzkbAyn6uRWOB9xPOKymWP5qbziVxx7lXRS0m+maBf6 U4PZhKtcd3TxetTedUqR9sDpAnUrVVu5YokWfEGS+OrNiffrVnttQA2dOXzLLAYpwL6o 3cqvEumvgRbHrLd3Ll4JOWhdYnjxY84eG/HSkGz75P4O4eZe0wEY/pVsB44C4rhF8y9M nkBg== X-Received: by 10.66.236.36 with SMTP id ur4mr22047510pac.107.1417730774106; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 14:06:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.111.115] ([120.29.118.234]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id e2sm17468279pdo.11.2014.12.04.14.06.12 for <multiple recipients> (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 04 Dec 2014 14:06:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5480DAD9.6040704@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 06:06:17 +0800 From: Ernie Luzar <luzar722@gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Seaman <matthew@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: Problem with posting to questions References: <5480457C.6010308@gmail.com> <54804AC0.7000701@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <54804AC0.7000701@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 22:18:16 -0000 Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 2014/12/04 11:29, Ernie Luzar wrote: > >> From what I am receiving it seems I am getting all the questions traffic >> but not any posts I make. >> It's like my email address is being ignored by this list. >> I do get replies to my posts, but never get the original post. >> How do I get this fixed? >> > > Go to http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions and log > into your account there. Find the entry for 'Mail Delivery' and make > sure 'enabled' is checked. > > Matthew > I went to that link to verify and sure enough the "Receive your own posts to the list?" option was already set to YES. The gmail account is what I am using. **** From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 22:28:19 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD991DF9 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 22:28:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECAA6EFC for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 22:28:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([81.106.150.188]) by know-smtprelay-10-imp with bizsmtp id PaT41p01m4481jl01aT4Z2; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 22:27:04 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [81.106.150.188] X-Spam: 0 X-Authority: v=2.1 cv=dY0O3Bne c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=DGj713NdaxKrsjjgQne7PA==:117 a=DGj713NdaxKrsjjgQne7PA==:17 a=J0QyKEt1u0cA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=A92cGCtB03wA:10 a=q1PZ7LnXTDSGqW7jRKAA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 500) id 0E15583779; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 22:27:04 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 22:27:04 +0000 From: Ken Moffat <zarniwhoop@ntlworld.com> To: David Benfell <benfell@parts-unknown.org> Subject: Re: switching from ports to pkg -- mailman group mismatch Message-ID: <20141204222703.GA4133@milliways> References: <20141204045849.GA4247@home.parts-unknown.org> <5480846B.9090908@bluerosetech.com> <20141204164259.GA45875@home.parts-unknown.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20141204164259.GA45875@home.parts-unknown.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 22:28:19 -0000 On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 08:42:59AM -0800, David Benfell wrote: > > I found a problem when, in desperation, I recompiled the port. > > There, it says that the pkg assumes sendmail: I use postfix. > For most of hte questions here, I'm a linux user so I do not have useful detail. But for this one: Postfix provides a sendmail program, although it might not install it in the same directory as the real sendmail (I do not remember). ĸen -- Nanny Ogg usually went to bed early. After all, she was an old lady. Sometimes she went to bed as early as 6 a.m. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 23:17:18 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0BD2C8E7 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 23:17:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.gmx.com (mout.gmx.com [74.208.4.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C39726D8 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 23:17:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [184.191.190.185] by 3capp-mailcom-lxa13.server.lan (via HTTP); Fri, 5 Dec 2014 00:17:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <trinity-84fc8143-9c27-4181-884a-0a20dea0af68-1417735030728@3capp-mailcom-lxa13> From: "FreeBSD Questioner" <freebsd-questions@gmx.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Reserving localhost port numbers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 00:17:11 +0100 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <44d281ajz0.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> References: <trinity-2843f6bc-834a-464e-a671-a16327e982ae-1417549546056@3capp-mailcom-lxa06>, <44d281ajz0.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:rWgQeVJ1BPoHTtOfa+VAHoLCRCmMGDxcV+x9X+nu0is YsnPUntDKVvpXX1Bcb6vN2f/vJ4sZ2J+eP2hTEQEY7HBZf1Yfr H9Dr7SbM4IRri+fPtCS40CN7SmP+y9/tQCKyinIMFFSUiQe4OA 8F+3WHMf2WV4cVDwwM3aqK244j1T8GzgBPWCdzJ2aIrGidk+1E O64BDZWvqhf+gZcysxQgcj22GH9W9hns0zObLVJXymj76hJsI8 VTiAd+mgduhiuWJWFj27ZhDlCZsyXhiur3vpb+K9vmhaCccLKr P81HJFtf2jCJPYYoZCScOhcyb+X X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 23:17:18 -0000 > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 at 12:13 PM > From: "Lowell Gilbert" <freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org> Thank you for your reply Lowell! > > > > When making these connections, the remote field systems "reverse > > tunnel" certain listening ports to the server via the ssh -R > > parameter. > > Ouch. That's pretty ugly, and (because you'll be running TCP over TCP) > may not perform well. You might want to consider an architecture with an > intermediary agent on the central server instead. Ugly may reside largely in the eye of the beholder 8-) We've been using this scheme for some time with very good results. Although with a limited number of clients, and an ongoing concern about port number collisions. The service ports on the remote systems are for relatively low bandwidth communications. With our present number of systems, there havn't really been any performance issues. By "intermediary agent" do you mean a dedicated service process on the central server? One of the benefits of this scheme is that it requires no custom service, or client, compiled software. Just a small shell script on the clients. We are considering scaling this solution though. So your concerns could still manefest with a larger number of clients. > > It would be desirable to reserve a block of 10000 or so ports, anywhere above the 1024 "privileged port" range. > > > > Are the sysctls in the net.inet.ip.portrange. set what you're looking for? > Thank you for this sugestion! I have the standard portrange values: # sysctl net.inet.ip.portrange net.inet.ip.portrange.randomtime: 45 net.inet.ip.portrange.randomcps: 10 net.inet.ip.portrange.randomized: 1 net.inet.ip.portrange.reservedlow: 0 net.inet.ip.portrange.reservedhigh: 1023 net.inet.ip.portrange.hilast: 65535 net.inet.ip.portrange.hifirst: 49152 net.inet.ip.portrange.last: 65535 net.inet.ip.portrange.first: 10000 net.inet.ip.portrange.lowlast: 600 net.inet.ip.portrange.lowfirst: 1023 I've been doing a bit of reading on these parameters, but I'm still not clear on exactly what they do. I understand that first and last control where the networking stack will locate transient outbound connections, but there are still some unknowns for me: 1) Say I increase first to 20000. Can i then safely assign my tunneled ports into the 10000-20000 range? Or will the kernel consider it an error for a user process to open a port outside of the first - last range? 2) What is the difference between the "default" range (10000-65535) and the "high" range (49152-65535)? Which software will use which range? 3) Do these parameters only control where the kernel allocates ports, or does the kernel use them as allowable ranges for applications attempting to open ports? Thank you again for your input! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 23:20:54 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BEE1E5C for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 23:20:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mario.brtsvcs.net (mario.brtsvcs.net [199.48.128.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 211967F7 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 23:20:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from chombo.houseloki.net (unknown [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:21c:c0ff:fe7f:96ee]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mario.brtsvcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EE3F92C160E; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 23:20:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:baca:3aff:fe83:bd29] (ivy.libssl.so [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:baca:3aff:fe83:bd29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by chombo.houseloki.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 35D661B54; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 15:20:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5480EC4B.5010803@bluerosetech.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 15:20:43 -0800 From: Darren Pilgrim <list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> Subject: Re: switching from ports to pkg -- mailman group mismatch References: <20141204214125.33860.qmail@ary.lan> In-Reply-To: <20141204214125.33860.qmail@ary.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 23:20:54 -0000 On 12/4/2014 1:41 PM, John Levine wrote: >> Second, I now find myself in a situation where some software must be >> installed with pkg and some must be installed from ports. If it's just >> mailman, that's one thing. If it becomes a bunch of packages, I have a >> real mess on my hands. > > Yes, we have a mess. If you need a port compiled with other than the > standard options, you can't use the package, and it's a challenge > to keep pkg from stomping your locally compiled versions. What issue are you seeing? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 23:22:51 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6CF7B9 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 23:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mario.brtsvcs.net (mario.brtsvcs.net [199.48.128.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B81B81B for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 23:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from chombo.houseloki.net (unknown [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:21c:c0ff:fe7f:96ee]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mario.brtsvcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 72AFA2C160F; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 23:22:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:baca:3aff:fe83:bd29] (ivy.libssl.so [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:baca:3aff:fe83:bd29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by chombo.houseloki.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9CD101B56; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 15:22:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5480ECC2.2090908@bluerosetech.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 15:22:42 -0800 From: Darren Pilgrim <list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ken Moffat <zarniwhoop@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: switching from ports to pkg -- mailman group mismatch References: <20141204045849.GA4247@home.parts-unknown.org> <5480846B.9090908@bluerosetech.com> <20141204164259.GA45875@home.parts-unknown.org> <20141204222703.GA4133@milliways> In-Reply-To: <20141204222703.GA4133@milliways> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 23:22:51 -0000 On 12/4/2014 2:27 PM, Ken Moffat wrote: > On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 08:42:59AM -0800, David Benfell wrote: >> >> I found a problem when, in desperation, I recompiled the port. >> >> There, it says that the pkg assumes sendmail: I use postfix. >> > For most of hte questions here, I'm a linux user so I do not have > useful detail. But for this one: Postfix provides a sendmail > program, although it might not install it in the same directory as > the real sendmail (I do not remember). It will, it's why it has a conflict with mail/sendmail* and others. What David may not have done is activate Postfix's sendmail program for mailwrapper (the thing that uses /etc/mail/mailer.conf to point at various bits of sendmail). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 23:44:05 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7A9C865 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 23:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sender1.zohomail.com (sender1.zohomail.com [72.5.230.103]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B87ABA42 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 23:44:05 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=zapps768; d=zoho.com; h=message-id:subject:from:to:date:content-type:mime-version; b=PqvGex5oFsr2mpLR6Z5O18edvpoE0EX0f6UtE03QtDWrLSBsgHLwpPvzZk3cx2xe4t8oAj2IxvRH W8W9xyspCfExZAPK8QXhxVNN66jJ7aldNd9u8WJoZGx3emkk8s2Z Received: from eva02 (46.229.54.117 [46.229.54.117]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTPS id 1417734461724230.2933537650507; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 15:07:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1417734458.1772.1.camel@zoho.com> Subject: FreeBSD working from RAM (MFSROOT) as a Workstation. From: clutton <clutton@zoho.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 01:07:38 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.12.7 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ZohoMail: Ss SS_10 UW UB UW UB SF_TD_EXT SGR3_1_27114_225 X-ZohoMail-Owner: <1417734458.1772.1.camel@zoho.com>+zmo_0_<clutton@zoho.com> X-ZohoMail-Sender: 46.229.54.117 X-Zoho-Virus-Status: 2 X-ZohoMailClient: External X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 23:44:06 -0000 Is anyone use a FreeBSD as a Desktop working from RAM, using MFSROOT? As a memory is relatively cheep it can be even faster then ssd. Although I have an intel x25 ssd, I'm curious how would my workstation work from ram. Any success stories? :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 00:00:34 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74916B0E for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 00:00:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-x22a.google.com (mail-ie0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A2E7B8F for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 00:00:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f170.google.com with SMTP id rd18so17035550iec.15 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 16:00:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=+lgEgkLXFSXooglHVjsZnXrsk+mmbIu3bT2Yld3gANY=; b=zNv5flYadWpepYOc/rZyCL8uq7Bx/d8GBeQYx9hI6fCaIUmd80QAe0Cpymkf8vbpHb ZeI+p5U5YmlbfrEF5Ds4UJLB/ihlug9I9gqydC1r0N5R2pH3bdAHAdG/orRuPWQvlWuG JpZfP7Jh5Ul2UILXRpAYKNol9fJxGDIx07EdFpzfJNK7bcNENS9qo/R2K1D4BXig8SQx 38tOQzbNf3kDOaFEVD2UVOhVroTL/1NdiZXxkqaTI+5x5/zC5HFoUKDnMrceExp6itpE nlg0mn9xbedB0x4s/25MebHoY0Aj/JBtJyaKSsdlWFUTF9XOVl1Im4pV/BjZRqhvuxf4 fOew== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.135.34 with SMTP id j34mr12190702iod.84.1417737633529; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 16:00:33 -0800 (PST) Sender: olivier2553@gmail.com Received: by 10.107.29.77 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 16:00:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <bdfa05850a3e46f6aae49f0d5cf266d5@Server02.ad.ezmax.ca> References: <999d7e80e60f466682c736f275b75788@Server02.ad.ezmax.ca> <54809639.4070103@netfence.it> <bdfa05850a3e46f6aae49f0d5cf266d5@Server02.ad.ezmax.ca> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 07:00:33 +0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: CscyrNiJnh83ojYri-zhxk0AWKk Message-ID: <CA+g+BvjQ4w+6fqS42nhC4PoUh7ir3Z6R=e6b3s4bw6ONS8kJfQ@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Backup solution for freeBSD/Symantec Backup exec porting From: Olivier Nicole <olivier.nicole@cs.ait.ac.th> To: Ian Lord <lordi@msdi.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 00:00:34 -0000 Hi, > It's kinda hard for a hacker to format all the tapes in a library furthermore, some tapes will be put in a safe... Understanding that putting the tape away in a safe is a manual thing, you could also put an HD in a safe... One thing I like about the HD solution is that you need nothing to access your files (at least with Amanda): only dd(1) and tar(1); it can work even if Amanda server is dead. In fall 2011, we were flooded and had to move the datacenter. I packed the minimum amount of servers, but I also packed the backup HD, knowing that I could use them with no backup server) Bests, Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 00:45:17 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B5108A9 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 00:45:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55C3AF8 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 00:45:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-19-82.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.19.82]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id sB50jFLd027529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 18:45:15 -0600 Message-ID: <54810191.2060208@hiwaay.net> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 18:51:29 -0600 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" <wam@hiwaay.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nspluginwrapper still depends on linux-f10 .... References: <5480856F.8050504@hiwaay.net> <54808994.5040205@gmail.com> <54808D86.7070209@hiwaay.net> <54808E68.20908@hiwaay.net> <5480BD1E.4090103@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5480BD1E.4090103@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 00:45:17 -0000 On 12/04/14 13:59, Andrei Brezan wrote: > > On 12/04/14 17:40, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >> On 12/04/14 10:36, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >>> On 12/04/14 10:19, Andrei Brezan wrote: >>>> On 12/04/14 17:01, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> .... as of this A.M. .... Could we get this fixed to depend on >>>>> linux-c6 instead :-) ? >>>>> >>>>> [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:01:24am] 324 % uname -a >>>>> FreeBSD kabini1.local 9.3-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p3 #0: >>>>> Mon Oct 20 15:08:33 UTC 2014 >>>>> root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 >>>>> [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:01:27am] 325 % >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> % pkg info -d nspluginwrapper >>>> nspluginwrapper-1.4.4_4: >>>> linux-c6-xorg-libs-7.4_1 >>>> libXext-1.3.3,1 >>>> libX11-1.6.2_2,1 >>>> pango-1.36.8 >>>> linux-c6-pango-1.28.1_1 >>>> linux-c6-gtk2-2.24.23_1 >>>> libXt-1.1.4_2,1 >>>> gtk2-2.24.25_1 >>>> linux-c6-fontconfig-2.8.0_1 >>>> linux-c6-expat-2.0.1_1 >>>> linux-c6-tiff-3.9.4_1 >>>> linux-c6-png-1.2.49_1 >>>> linux-c6-jpeg-1.2.1_1 >>>> linux-c6-gdk-pixbuf2-2.24.1 >>>> linux-c6-cairo-1.8.8_1 >>>> curl-7.39.0 >>>> linux_base-c6-6.6_1 >>>> pcre-8.35_1 >>>> glib-2.42.1 >>>> linux-c6-atk-1.30.0 >>>> atk-2.14.0 >>>> >>>> Did you follow 20140922 from /usr/ports/UPDATING? >>>> >>>> If you installed precompiled packages that might be a different thing. >>>> >>> >>> P.S. to last reply, on my system: >>> >>> >>> [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:35:29am] 370 % pkg info -d nspluginwrapper >>> nspluginwrapper-1.4.4_4: >>> linux-f10-xorg-libs-7.4_1 >>> libXext-1.3.3,1 >>> libX11-1.6.2_2,1 >>> pango-1.36.8 >>> linux-f10-pango-1.28.3_1 >>> linux-f10-gtk2-2.14.7_5 >>> libXt-1.1.4_2,1 >>> gtk2-2.24.25_1 >>> linux-f10-fontconfig-2.6.0_1 >>> linux-f10-expat-2.0.1_1 >>> linux-f10-tiff-3.8.2 >>> linux-f10-png-1.2.37_2 >>> linux-f10-jpeg-6b >>> linux-f10-cairo-1.8.0_3 >>> curl-7.39.0 >>> linux_base-f10-10_8 >>> pcre-8.35_1 >>> glib-2.42.0 >>> linux-f10-atk-1.24.0_1 >>> atk-2.14.0 >>> [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:35:30am] 370 % >>> >>> >> >> More info: >> >> >> [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:32:08am] 360 % cat make.conf >> WITH_PKGNG=yes >> OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT=c6 >> OVERRIDE_LINUX_NONBASE_PORTS=c6 >> CPUTYPE=native >> WITH_NEW_XORG=yes >> MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER=4 >> FORCE_PKG_REGISTER=yes >> [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:37:37am] 361 % cat sysctl.conf >> # $FreeBSD: releng/9.3/etc/sysctl.conf 112200 2003-03-13 18:43:50Z mux $ >> # >> # This file is read when going to multi-user and its contents piped >> thru >> # ``sysctl'' to adjust kernel values. ``man 5 sysctl.conf'' for >> details. >> # >> >> # Uncomment this to prevent users from seeing information about >> processes that >> # are being run under another UID. >> #security.bsd.see_other_uids=0 >> >> compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.18 >> net.inet.tcp.log_in_vain=0 # logs stuff about stray TCP inputs >> from other machines .... >> >> [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:38:04am] 362 % ll make.conf sysctl.conf >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 150 Dec 4 09:34 make.conf >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 492 Oct 12 13:29 sysctl.conf >> [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:38:24am] 363 % >> >> I added the last line to make.conf this A.M., did the rest earlier >> (weeks ago) .... >> > > If you want to combine a public repo with custom compiled packages > from /usr/ports I think you will need to lock all packages that depend > on linux- and linux_base and build them from ports in your case. > > From what I know pkg doesn't check /etc/make.conf to see what options > you might want overridden; I don't think packages are available with > all the combinations of options. I might be wrong and there might be a > public repo that uses linux-c6. /etc/make.conf is sourced when you > compile something from ports for example. > I *don't* want to combine ports & pkg for package management. I prefer pkg exclusively. However, it is necessary to compile the flashplugin from ports due to licensing issues (no problema there). nspluginwrapper is required for proper function of the flash plugin, under firefox, opera, & other browsers. The nspluginwrapper I pkg-installed/pkg-upgraded still thinks it depends on linux-f10. That is the detail I hope is resolved soon :-) .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 00:46:21 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 345B7943 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 00:46:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9619111 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 00:46:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-18-117.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.18.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E78027626; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 01:46:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id sB50kGnr002713; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 01:46:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 01:46:16 +0100 From: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> To: clutton <clutton@zoho.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD working from RAM (MFSROOT) as a Workstation. Message-Id: <20141205014616.da37661a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1417734458.1772.1.camel@zoho.com> References: <1417734458.1772.1.camel@zoho.com> Reply-To: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 00:46:21 -0000 On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 01:07:38 +0200, clutton wrote: > Is anyone use a FreeBSD as a Desktop working from RAM, using MFSROOT? Many live systems work that way. For FreeBSD, check out FreeSBIE (sadly discontinued, but probably still available for download; NB: FreeBSD 5 and 6). Programs are loaded from CD (slow), but once they are "buffered" in RAM, things work fine. It would be interesting to see of this bottleneck could be removed by pre-loading as much into RAM as possible, and of course avoiding optical media as load media (instead, using a SSD or at least USB to boot). > As a memory is relatively cheep it can be even faster then ssd. Then check this out: http://www.sandisk.com.br/enterprise/ulltradimm-ssd/ Best of both worlds, and it could make the past come back (cf. AS/400 single-level storage). :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 01:00:28 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A559FBCB for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 01:00:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6328C2DD for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 01:00:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-18-117.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.18.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6C3127608; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 02:00:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id sB510P0B002766; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 02:00:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 02:00:25 +0100 From: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> To: Olivier Nicole <olivier.nicole@cs.ait.ac.th> Subject: Re: Backup solution for freeBSD/Symantec Backup exec porting Message-Id: <20141205020025.396c0d8a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <CA+g+BvjQ4w+6fqS42nhC4PoUh7ir3Z6R=e6b3s4bw6ONS8kJfQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <999d7e80e60f466682c736f275b75788@Server02.ad.ezmax.ca> <54809639.4070103@netfence.it> <bdfa05850a3e46f6aae49f0d5cf266d5@Server02.ad.ezmax.ca> <CA+g+BvjQ4w+6fqS42nhC4PoUh7ir3Z6R=e6b3s4bw6ONS8kJfQ@mail.gmail.com> Reply-To: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Ian Lord <lordi@msdi.ca>, "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 01:00:28 -0000 On Fri, 5 Dec 2014 07:00:33 +0700, Olivier Nicole wrote: > Hi, > > > It's kinda hard for a hacker to format all the tapes > > in a library furthermore, some tapes will be put in a safe... > > Understanding that putting the tape away in a safe is a manual thing, > you could also put an HD in a safe... Still it's an important reminder about actual _access_ to backups. Of course it's very comfortable to access all the backup media without manual (human) intervention, but it can be dangerous. Imagine a situation like what Cryptolocker malware usually does: It encrypts anything it can access, and if it can find the backups, they will be useless in any attempt to restore the system. I'm sure it's more complicated to encrypt tapes (in an ATL) than disks, but it's still dangerous when they can be accessed "too easily". > One thing I like about the HD solution is that you need nothing to > access your files (at least with Amanda): only dd(1) and tar(1); it > can work even if Amanda server is dead. Exactly, and there is no proprietary (and undocumented) file format involed, or manufacturer-specific connectors and access protocols. This is unimportant as long as everything works as expected, but it may become essential in a worst-case scenario. > In fall 2011, we were flooded and had to move the datacenter. I packed > the minimum amount of servers, but I also packed the backup HD, > knowing that I could use them with no backup server) On-site and off-site method - where off-site actually means "somewhere else", instead of putting them next to each other. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 01:02:31 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31263C76 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 01:02:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sender1.zohomail.com (sender1.zohomail.com [74.201.84.156]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 17D27310 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 01:02:30 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=zapps768; d=zoho.com; h=message-id:subject:from:to:cc:date:in-reply-to:references:content-type:mime-version; b=ug+5Ecxh89rEUtynE4kOQbQH0S0oQm2Ao4EebY/M0aQQi8hmq4RmDD7sWvxneTlVvhgds95vlf2V CsppceCzPAA6tOs00vUjo2uhmI2VEjLocgQ3j1cXkfnxkIEfLd98 Received: from eva02 (46.229.54.117 [46.229.54.117]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTPS id 1417741341734744.3850114489447; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 17:02:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1417741337.926.3.camel@zoho.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD working from RAM (MFSROOT) as a Workstation. From: clutton <clutton@zoho.com> To: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 03:02:17 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20141205014616.da37661a.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <1417734458.1772.1.camel@zoho.com> <20141205014616.da37661a.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.12.7 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ZohoMail: Ss SS_10 UW UB ZCF-710TPL UW UB SF_TD_EXT SGR3_1_27114_453 X-ZohoMail-Owner: <1417741337.926.3.camel@zoho.com>+zmo_0_<clutton@zoho.com> X-ZohoMail-Sender: 46.229.54.117 X-Zoho-Virus-Status: 2 X-ZohoMailClient: External Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 01:02:31 -0000 Know that. Frenzee, etc. But I'm running the CURRENT and changing that is not an option. The question is: Is anyone already working from RAM using BSD? On Fri, 2014-12-05 at 01:46 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 01:07:38 +0200, clutton wrote: > > Is anyone use a FreeBSD as a Desktop working from RAM, using MFSROOT? > > Many live systems work that way. For FreeBSD, check out > FreeSBIE (sadly discontinued, but probably still available > for download; NB: FreeBSD 5 and 6). Programs are loaded > from CD (slow), but once they are "buffered" in RAM, things > work fine. It would be interesting to see of this > bottleneck could be removed by pre-loading as much into > RAM as possible, and of course avoiding optical media > as load media (instead, using a SSD or at least USB to > boot). > > > > > As a memory is relatively cheep it can be even faster then ssd. > > Then check this out: > > http://www.sandisk.com.br/enterprise/ulltradimm-ssd/ > > Best of both worlds, and it could make the past come > back (cf. AS/400 single-level storage). :-) > > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 01:08:32 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC864D84 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 01:08:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.parts-unknown.org (mail.parts-unknown.org [50.250.218.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A36CB366 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 01:08:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.parts-unknown.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3856B5F23589; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 17:08:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 17:08:31 -0800 From: David Benfell <benfell@parts-unknown.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: switching from ports to pkg -- mailman group mismatch Message-ID: <20141205010831.GA11940@home.parts-unknown.org> References: <20141204045849.GA4247@home.parts-unknown.org> <5480846B.9090908@bluerosetech.com> <20141204164259.GA45875@home.parts-unknown.org> <5480D0E7.60103@bluerosetech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5480D0E7.60103@bluerosetech.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 01:08:32 -0000 --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 01:23:51PM -0800, Darren Pilgrim wrote: >=20 > That likely means mailman assumes there's a sendmail program it can use= =20 > for mail injection. Does it "just work" if you tell postfix to activate= =20 > itself in mailer.conf? >=20 Postfix is already selected in mailer.conf. Apparently postfix's sendmail is not a substitute for the real sendmail in mailman unless it is configured and built with postfix selected. > It's fine to mix them. I have a handful of ports on everyt system I=20 > have to compile myself--mostly because I want them linked to the ports=20 > OpenSSL, but there are some that need non-default values. I just keep=20 > them locked so a pkg-upgrade doesn't touch them. >=20 > If you end up with a lot of compiled ports, set up poudrerie. I will look into this. At the moment, I only have mailman that I know *must* be built from the port. >=20 > Where did you see this advice? About all that happens is pkg will=20 > report "options changed" and want to reinstall it from the package.=20 > Pkg-lock is your friend. Yes, I must look into pkg lock. I believe the advice about sticking with default options was on this list in response to someone else having trouble with ports. This is where, perhaps, my desire for ports where all the options work is unsustainable: The work of maintaining a port must expand, probably more than exponentially, if all combinations of options must be tested. Thanks! --=20 David Benfell <benfell@parts-unknown.org> See https://parts-unknown.org/node/2 if you don't understand the attachment. --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUgQWJAAoJEBV64x4SNmArHC4QAKiL2NT8+DcdDzTx+kiZvFlk pLd+71pfw92GlBdRgn/3gkEo/SDt07LvpeHQrZr7LxI0kVAc8yQd3p4YraMB1mIG oav0Ovkl13njE8Q5Uw6GK+emO2sSFp+RdHh16EqKphSJDxyGiWNDWXTmYLoZ172p qsOqucl+O0yHQIA197TOI9LF6P3k9KE2eIvRvVwgb8hYpsCeOPKOGr9qJ6+sHlC5 ezPolFxebuqL3rfkJfBkfUYnQ7F1+feDTg/d5Tw1v9lyXGZw/zl9JQ4rGjZFziet h6bT3gaGIU9TA5i5yIdHhP1PWt8QiqkHNQtMEEH32eWs67IWRXiSLgHuzpqgJ8xX AjOCIQ4UgqpU8FKHx7yUPGoW07Iks4NFHE0sHkRJNDmr8GP4u7cSnXMR9cc8uVyV rBLh3RkQO+MmMQFUbnlkHPHzRsWAbsb2Gbs3fSTtSCPE2fltfttYPkW/W+eJ5Sh8 HmLfJhuWQhfG7CNXNDS6/v5A+Mq5FXFiywsnn/Y6Qz4KeBPJmneX3mP4qIhOI32I I+wQisk+w8vNUlRSj8woKtCmCm6+u5YL04kb0p2Paw2Jhu86WTAJP8PyYNzjAPhS UIHH1aIReKUND1s00zhQV42MNH8hCGyL5bvOBOx9lQQZDpBfKqUmOYu9TPkucKMp k+k3GPeS3mKAtp4vMUC+ =hGWX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 01:10:42 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56816E36 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 01:10:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.parts-unknown.org (mail.parts-unknown.org [IPv6:2001:470:67:119::4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 329965FC for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 01:10:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.parts-unknown.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 35FA85F23589; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 17:10:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 17:10:41 -0800 From: David Benfell <benfell@parts-unknown.org> To: John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> Subject: Re: switching from ports to pkg -- mailman group mismatch Message-ID: <20141205011041.GB11940@home.parts-unknown.org> References: <20141204164259.GA45875@home.parts-unknown.org> <20141204214125.33860.qmail@ary.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cvVnyQ+4j833TQvp" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20141204214125.33860.qmail@ary.lan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 01:10:42 -0000 --cvVnyQ+4j833TQvp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 09:41:25PM -0000, John Levine wrote: >=20 > I lock the locally built packages with pkg lock, and every once in > a while look to see if the port's updated, in which case I unlock it > use portmaster to update it, then lock the new version. Is there a systematic way to tell what locked ports have been updated? Thanks! --=20 David Benfell <benfell@parts-unknown.org> See https://parts-unknown.org/node/2 if you don't understand the attachment. --cvVnyQ+4j833TQvp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUgQYRAAoJEBV64x4SNmAr2NUP/2EIyK3exUJ8lGe83txQOD9X nVZ5H2zqgR5t/CLkzvQoASFQ3fIT5yQjhcDc9u7LzdVjnJCWTc4oSD4VKiXH25+b PJ85jhNGFdbjcEjrGE4nEhHVQpAydW7nuQiOC8S79JyXMmdmuJ5EDgn97cPaCPh5 iKtgt6DZvQ3r/nUM0FMx6MiGElskuyGJl7/W1EO+6d8ODTr+S383qoFeyQM4ZY9I DyafeFMbq6HbYJ42Pq9F17ckKObKDtVVYbz6J8W4fJd/pPqQB+RxG6ZzR6KHe7/f n0Zw2pYfrffa58Og6jWgLNJgy6T6M9IJNXd4ssZQtg8HDI0xoM8oaMD2beN6MBPh UJbAZ93q/jlLXfiMaZ9ZsQuw/FacvWX3aBn0UUJOoxOBjZ8ioFWpwCzxnw3aZ2Bj NRZy5gVms86l4wZTUx6GVbQemcdTCW6sQECWnJzVOkBwwpKuQjS46GenMPBDmuTK qE7OFPSmzYz4dlbcHSxmuPHrpMejNc/4TcazqnAB+jMSbqUcb+KhbgeHM1T/Xg4I wW3+quS+SBR0Z2PX1YkTdoQduADi3TNuZkjpZ5QV6n1DiQqsIsSE/QGJlmORCoiU WU1CuDwjYDp7b3LP8jzV639CFhKOrZWNMZmBe5JSPBrFP28euOelonYkO5Xo8KGu StsLTN5BXL3OT5t0hB6p =5KQb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cvVnyQ+4j833TQvp-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 01:12:33 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B06FEEB for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 01:12:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.parts-unknown.org (mail.parts-unknown.org [IPv6:2001:470:67:119::4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2877F623 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 01:12:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.parts-unknown.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 756355F2358B; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 17:12:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 17:12:32 -0800 From: David Benfell <benfell@parts-unknown.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: switching from ports to pkg -- mailman group mismatch Message-ID: <20141205011232.GC11940@home.parts-unknown.org> References: <20141204214125.33860.qmail@ary.lan> <5480EC4B.5010803@bluerosetech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0vzXIDBeUiKkjNJl" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5480EC4B.5010803@bluerosetech.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 01:12:33 -0000 --0vzXIDBeUiKkjNJl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 03:20:43PM -0800, Darren Pilgrim wrote: > On 12/4/2014 1:41 PM, John Levine wrote: > >> Second, I now find myself in a situation where some software must be > >> installed with pkg and some must be installed from ports. If it's just > >> mailman, that's one thing. If it becomes a bunch of packages, I have a > >> real mess on my hands. > > > > Yes, we have a mess. If you need a port compiled with other than the > > standard options, you can't use the package, and it's a challenge > > to keep pkg from stomping your locally compiled versions. >=20 > What issue are you seeing? I think he means the 'pkg' version where he wrote 'package' above. The pkg versions are obviously built with one set of options, that hopefully get along with each other. ;-) --=20 David Benfell <benfell@parts-unknown.org> See https://parts-unknown.org/node/2 if you don't understand the attachment. --0vzXIDBeUiKkjNJl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUgQaAAAoJEBV64x4SNmArJ/EQAL9l4cyZk2kZTclwB6w+8OJr ynJWQtXKuoeuVcl8NgbuJqqruDzo7mpIm42Z+ChLTPgTpMRi13miPihC2qkZGXu5 h40imv0E9rNjU8NSLKETnAbv+14EjIaf7brE8usOdPCjkZEm1edDoyqoYA1ck7l7 1FZe8JQWJ/ZSSiF5LwxDBAp0nK7IpDud5w6iufP9vBiU7nik6Bf2p2LvVNCx7Xt6 QRI2DE33eAF9ZWZt+NKNVjyUOty/qytbq7MpmCa+ie6L0reRj1MItIRhg6/WIpgi ptKS42iOPlHo3Fc+nAiQAQHdPQ4SX7BMcVrrPvsEEU5Te8bOKeLYHZkm0MprGHuu MBX/s8Bnq53hm8g5K44GcGe7RmFfelty/R0NaHLZkqdRc1MrWgjB94silubZ8uol jWYdzS0FCAc6K6QwfEg9b3DynEVZI7QwO0Yfv/pshF5poBxeuxdm/atMfcZlQwzz JD8vWXBaJRqUXsfAVKA+pO05N+hDR52rma3p72b5rKHOQ/90cmTbYYW/D4Yp+i/9 TpKlOgFhG4YLOK9i8bF5p7Xqimfjg5m6NgPRjZSFzcc5qOHrd5vSbW1koS8ryKiv DjJ2hGN0gB05iLyQ5iRZfrjbkLBluUA0oTxv4vCQc9ADymjyMPHTJjriaJKWYmlC VIHSlg/ULqGAqKXQwG0D =lz0n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0vzXIDBeUiKkjNJl-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 01:14:51 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A3D3F89 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 01:14:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.parts-unknown.org (mail.parts-unknown.org [IPv6:2001:470:67:119::4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9B1463B for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 01:14:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.parts-unknown.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 42E535F2358A; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 17:14:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 17:14:50 -0800 From: David Benfell <benfell@parts-unknown.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: switching from ports to pkg -- mailman group mismatch Message-ID: <20141205011450.GD11940@home.parts-unknown.org> References: <20141204045849.GA4247@home.parts-unknown.org> <5480846B.9090908@bluerosetech.com> <20141204164259.GA45875@home.parts-unknown.org> <20141204222703.GA4133@milliways> <5480ECC2.2090908@bluerosetech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zS7rBR6csb6tI2e1" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5480ECC2.2090908@bluerosetech.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: Ken Moffat <zarniwhoop@ntlworld.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 01:14:51 -0000 --zS7rBR6csb6tI2e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 03:22:42PM -0800, Darren Pilgrim wrote: > On 12/4/2014 2:27 PM, Ken Moffat wrote: > >> > > For most of hte questions here, I'm a linux user so I do not have > > useful detail. But for this one: Postfix provides a sendmail > > program, although it might not install it in the same directory as > > the real sendmail (I do not remember). >=20 > It will, it's why it has a conflict with mail/sendmail* and others.=20 > What David may not have done is activate Postfix's sendmail program for= =20 > mailwrapper (the thing that uses /etc/mail/mailer.conf to point at=20 > various bits of sendmail). In fact, I had. I was, however, surprised to see that mailman even *could* be built for MTAs other than postfix--at least this is what the config options seem to suggest--as I had always understood mailman to require postfix. (Might be a linuxism with pre-built packages.) --=20 David Benfell <benfell@parts-unknown.org> See https://parts-unknown.org/node/2 if you don't understand the attachment. --zS7rBR6csb6tI2e1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUgQcKAAoJEBV64x4SNmArNCsP/Rn+oCciz+txEMycbPAWkxGU mmkNnhXEJAv2v77TzQBWGId32ele2Cry26lPF+TgxL0/HTFWFBAh3cYKWcI4oUS1 iY14PQToUYXs2M2zMF0n1fENKyfGiiUCRH9+QTZcTZomx6/rzSbyujGXYUqSBldY hwKKJ7r7TFETeEvZfqmPBEkZQlGE1O0YorO/svfXKIOGDMQLGzqMiocerUrbsTZZ EE65YoOjzj0ZYpt6GhtoWoUo3SiwtTqkP2sDQZfI5Qw+3VJ6UyrwOdwOqgPb4ySd UhSUZrCudyiu8j63guIjUFr63Ii6kPNPMmyFTnbBAfkU5DzDZGWHSq1q1mK+UhlP 0Z75eoeF5jhnzaWpg/b6SnwTfBKmgLWfWgz3MiU5sFesblNKiieLDqO+2+dbRui5 4OM4Uk7zjlzGtOvQVyBwiU3NB6iBmcleVeMSxWFAbigkTW9QKGXGe+yr5APPilHq j0CKXsEdh4lyfwnfP3g7YPRCJ3l1Mg/u9Kpl5nvwhtD/DO6dKCJzktHteI3fDALK QvRjKNymGz/2NTtlAWD78D1+wcpEnRvWRZ44W5HoXoU65HVmowkr9K3K3OIWdIbn 1lY2dPiROD2iafR38NgXQB/EQe+Us1XkMXdMYN8jbDK+HabxOGNRwvLMRT0dcTew Wmu92hRynsmmGQEH6KCH =s2OT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zS7rBR6csb6tI2e1-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 02:03:27 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2606593 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 02:03:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from weller-fahy.com (sinecure.xen.prgmr.com [71.19.148.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx.weller-fahy.com", Issuer "StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 81A26B3D for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 02:03:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from weller-fahy.com (c-71-232-224-89.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [71.232.224.89]); by mx.weller-fahy.com (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 1ca292ea; TLS version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO; for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 01:56:45 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 20:56:42 -0500 From: "David J. Weller-Fahy" <dave+lists.freebsd-questions@caterva.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Problem adding second mirror to zpool Message-ID: <20141205015642.GD29540@weller-fahy.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="k4f25fnPtRuIRUb3" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23+16 (39d3ddb56d34) (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 02:03:27 -0000 --k4f25fnPtRuIRUb3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just realigned my zpool from ashift=3D9 to ashift=3D12, successfully=20 transmitted the snapshot, and am booting from the new pool... however, I=20 cannot get the last disk added to the pool. Details follow (uname=20 wrapped). #v+ dave@nastie:~ $ uname -a FreeBSD nastie.weller-fahy.com 10.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE #0 r274551: Sun Nov 16 08:06:47 CST 2014 root@nastie.weller-fahy.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 #v- This machine is a headless NAS, and has been updated since 9.?. I had a ZFS pool which looked (approximately) like the following (prior=20 to the realignment). Note that the table is from memory, because I=20 didn't keep a screenshot, but the device and partition names and numbers=20 are correct. The disks ada0 and ada2 are 1.5 TiB, and ada1 and ada3 are=20 500 MiB. #v+ NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM nastiez ONLINE 0 0 0 mirror-0 ONLINE 0 0 0 ada0p3 ONLINE 0 0 0 ada2p3 ONLINE 0 0 0 mirror-1 ONLINE 0 0 0 ada1p1 ONLINE 0 0 0 ada3p1 ONLINE 0 0 0 #v- I detached ada2p3 and ada3p1 from the pool after scrubbing the pool,=20 then created a new pool with ashift=3D12 with ada2p3 and ada3p1. =20 Following that I had the following zpool status (just the table - these=20 IDs are correct). #v+ NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM pool ONLINE 0 0 0 gptid/adc0e6d4-78a6-11e4-8646-0014222d98da ONLINE 0 0 0 gptid/c6ede2a4-78a6-11e4-8646-0014222d98da ONLINE 0 0 0 #v- Now, I transfered the snapshot from nastiez (the old zpool) to pool (the=20 new zpool), verified the transfer, and destroyed the old zpool. Next I=20 duplicated the partition configuration that I used on ada2 and ada3=20 on ada0 and ada1, and started to attach them to the pool. First I did the following. #v+ zpool attach pool \ /dev/gptid/adc0e6d4-78a6-11e4-8646-0014222d98da \ /dev/gptid/f0668af9-7aa2-11e4-8452-0014222d98da #v- Which made a mirror out of ada1p3 and ada0p3 (first and second,=20 respectively) as shown. #v+ NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM pool ONLINE 0 0 0 mirror-0 ONLINE 0 0 0 gptid/adc0e6d4-78a6-11e4-8646-0014222d98da ONLINE 0 0 0 gptid/f0668af9-7aa2-11e4-8452-0014222d98da ONLINE 0 0 0 gptid/c6ede2a4-78a6-11e4-8646-0014222d98da ONLINE 0 0 0 #v- Now I just need to mirror ada3p1 (gptid/c6ede...98da) with ada1p1, and=20 I'll be done. However (command line and error message wrapped)... #v+ root@nastie:~ # zpool attach pool \ /dev/gptid/c6ede2a4-78a6-11e4-8646-0014222d98da \ /dev/gptid/fadbb43d-7aa2-11e4-8452-0014222d98da cannot attach /dev/gptid/fadbb43d-7aa2-11e4-8452-0014222d98da to \ /dev/gptid/c6ede2a4-78a6-11e4-8646-0014222d98da: no such device in pool #v- I've searched for about 2 days, and have not been able to find anything=20 that either solves my problem or tells me why I can't add this device. Can anyone tell me how to add the last drive (ada1) without losing the=20 data on the drive? Or is this a situation where I'll need to get a set=20 of larger hard drives to get the data off this pool, and then=20 re-organize after the data is safe? Regards, --=20 dave [ please don't CC me ] --k4f25fnPtRuIRUb3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlSBENoACgkQzahokXOb2Ux72QCfTDCuF/bau8VUCs/JRSDjH9Fb wxkAoI7skNjnHjqhm26BPTMjDej7pI/M =qgGY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --k4f25fnPtRuIRUb3-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 02:10:29 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 676A3733 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 02:10:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-x233.google.com (mail-wg0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 03FB5C1B for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 02:10:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f51.google.com with SMTP id k14so23909566wgh.24 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 18:10:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=RygIF/FWviqD5WgL+7/EnQfet3YXS38sTAlbAo36L0A=; b=0SfhZfs4ZN+czbjWQZ4TCKLn92ygB3Tot0H1255wMCshXHr0llNVYqQftnn9S4/VRi 5XADtvpxf9w4vBWEAq830rsRkKGG0ezav0gem/r2WSSwG44hktDlgxcUdnPM/BV+SFsC 2/FAhXLyY8JJ3gkD/9Pd6mu/E5EYyX0+LLlMKydqjEgjbpxqB+xVUubxc1vXp2SUfASr AysWWzVDj6BJfjI7ohR5wg+DP27xDHiithHy/PjnEtM1rt4IO5+xx+9oFuJsiuJ5NfCa /uEh06Orn9yscH8THIGD1Q3TWUt+qInKdUwM4d0mxT6xAOGO8qLFkdVt4Ua7O14uU02F s/5Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.174.3 with SMTP id bo3mr16570379wjc.98.1417745427270; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 18:10:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.27.170.4 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 18:10:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1417741337.926.3.camel@zoho.com> References: <1417734458.1772.1.camel@zoho.com> <20141205014616.da37661a.freebsd@edvax.de> <1417741337.926.3.camel@zoho.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 20:10:27 -0600 Message-ID: <CAOFF+Z1rAhi91hR2zzZXoA5gTYQx0ZVXwgnQA1QcKCvr7HOS8A@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD working from RAM (MFSROOT) as a Workstation. From: "Sam Fourman Jr." <sfourman@gmail.com> To: clutton <clutton@zoho.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de>, freebsd general questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 02:10:29 -0000 On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:02 PM, clutton <clutton@zoho.com> wrote: > Know that. Frenzee, etc. > > But I'm running the CURRENT and changing that is not an option. > The question is: Is anyone already working from RAM using BSD? > I am also interested in this topic, if anyone has pointers on how to set this up, I think a good starting point would be to look at the internals of how mfsBSD works. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 03:41:05 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63ECC1000 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 03:41:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from miucha.iecc.com (abusenet-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:1126::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "miucha.iecc.com", Issuer "StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF5F27BD for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 03:41:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 73923 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2014 03:41:00 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:user-agent; s=120c2.5481294c.k1412; bh=AVALSynjtUmDaILGFRPy/L2/bQ6UeGh37RFofBdiFKw=; b=rBNvRsV0a5WX40hjX+W85QQQ6NbHxBFm5Nwj/LWPzZmoNx+o+txcX+RQ6M4HSExfyuPfiR/qa0msntd99s9FbXi6I9pr3bN901tnBGXWp919PrQMfOxUEHm/eanYPh+G8kuPl2NViRRPbjMyNDvLm4vIZTESg48OwCdNMluI/QIhmput8dMtISnogSxYVvvNgytZ+pWSpIaXgZbZrOsVfbTNLz4rS6WZ5CZ25goGP4YCRK91WsXAUmRU1KoK07ZR Received: from localhost ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.0/X.509/SHA1) via TCP6; 05 Dec 2014 03:40:59 -0000 Date: 4 Dec 2014 22:41:01 -0500 Message-ID: <alpine.OSX.2.11.1412042240390.85870@ary.lan> From: "John R. Levine" <johnl@iecc.com> To: "David Benfell" <benfell@parts-unknown.org> Subject: Re: switching from ports to pkg -- mailman group mismatch In-Reply-To: <20141205011041.GB11940@home.parts-unknown.org> References: <20141204164259.GA45875@home.parts-unknown.org> <20141204214125.33860.qmail@ary.lan> <20141205011041.GB11940@home.parts-unknown.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (OSX 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 03:41:05 -0000 >> I lock the locally built packages with pkg lock, and every once in >> a while look to see if the port's updated, in which case I unlock it >> use portmaster to update it, then lock the new version. > > Is there a systematic way to tell what locked ports have been updated? You could probably do so, but currently only have three of them so it's not worth it. 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References: <1417734458.1772.1.camel@zoho.com> <20141205014616.da37661a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20141205014616.da37661a.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 03:44:20 -0000 Hi, I would be interested in this as well. If no one has done it lately, I'd like to work with some people and get this going as well. I'm sure PXEboot, NFSv4, with a KDE Desktop would be fairly useful with about 8GB of RAM and a Gb network. P. On 12/04/2014 19:46, Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 01:07:38 +0200, clutton wrote: >> Is anyone use a FreeBSD as a Desktop working from RAM, using MFSROOT? > Many live systems work that way. For FreeBSD, check out > FreeSBIE (sadly discontinued, but probably still available > for download; NB: FreeBSD 5 and 6). Programs are loaded > from CD (slow), but once they are "buffered" in RAM, things > work fine. It would be interesting to see of this > bottleneck could be removed by pre-loading as much into > RAM as possible, and of course avoiding optical media > as load media (instead, using a SSD or at least USB to > boot). > > > >> As a memory is relatively cheep it can be even faster then ssd. > Then check this out: > > http://www.sandisk.com.br/enterprise/ulltradimm-ssd/ > > Best of both worlds, and it could make the past come > back (cf. AS/400 single-level storage). :-) > > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 04:01:27 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BA7F348 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 04:01:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from miucha.iecc.com (abusenet-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:1126::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "miucha.iecc.com", Issuer "StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0852970 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 04:01:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 82248 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2014 04:01:23 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:user-agent; s=14145.54812e13.k1412; bh=LwLq7GbZa4v1x7QU3wiKdkXgc8sep7lVxjKyQKtil58=; b=CyDUBnJ6zApq4Ii8nyY19fHY/j3xrqLkJD/HWasUwms8G1FKfvEHlOlNHsjhtyK82SZaWoYgnuIcyf+SwEmFNCsexEeoqVV7FYpVRSvf5u6KTWE0eZDRlArmsfrzhCn6zFY+pWam9ppkO5f/y1JnSotx6xyr/SSHmPls5Xh4hxM3Cwlh5jDqcr/pJDNZNO5blwies6xiDzlNw2bK2YFdLhtH71uZ2XVfdym+lOfZ9LlqBhNa/5tJSQ+d1//1nskU Received: from localhost ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.0/X.509/SHA1) via TCP6; 05 Dec 2014 04:01:22 -0000 Date: 4 Dec 2014 23:01:24 -0500 Message-ID: <alpine.OSX.2.11.1412042255130.85870@ary.lan> From: "John R. Levine" <johnl@iecc.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: switching from ports to pkg -- mailman group mismatch In-Reply-To: <5480EC4B.5010803@bluerosetech.com> References: <20141204214125.33860.qmail@ary.lan> <5480EC4B.5010803@bluerosetech.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (OSX 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 04:01:27 -0000 >> Yes, we have a mess. If you need a port compiled with other than the >> standard options, you can't use the package, and it's a challenge >> to keep pkg from stomping your locally compiled versions. > > What issue are you seeing? One is that when pkg sees a package installed with options other than the default, it tries to reinstall the default version. Since the reason I build ports with custom options is that the default doesn't work for me, that just breaks things. The other is that when you have several ports that install approximately the same thing, such as the various forks of mysql, pkg often decides to install something that smashes an existing package. I have percona56-{server,client} installed, and every time I try pkg upgrade, it wants to install mysql55-client, which would break percona. The dependencies in the ports work, so I don't know why pkg gets it wrong. R's, John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 04:14:05 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87CA6612 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 04:14:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35C41A6C for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 04:14:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sB54DxAt066026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 4 Dec 2014 21:14:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id sB54DxKO066023; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 21:13:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 21:13:59 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com> To: Paul Pathiakis <pathiaki2@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD working from RAM (MFSROOT) as a Workstation. In-Reply-To: <54812A0A.6080105@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.11.1412042108060.45067@wonkity.com> References: <1417734458.1772.1.camel@zoho.com> <20141205014616.da37661a.freebsd@edvax.de> <54812A0A.6080105@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 04 Dec 2014 21:14:00 -0700 (MST) Cc: clutton <clutton@zoho.com>, Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 04:14:05 -0000 On Thu, 4 Dec 2014, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions wrote: > On 12/04/2014 19:46, Polytropon wrote: >> On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 01:07:38 +0200, clutton wrote: >>> Is anyone use a FreeBSD as a Desktop working from RAM, using MFSROOT? >> Many live systems work that way. For FreeBSD, check out >> FreeSBIE (sadly discontinued, but probably still available >> for download; NB: FreeBSD 5 and 6). Programs are loaded >> from CD (slow), but once they are "buffered" in RAM, things >> work fine. It would be interesting to see of this >> bottleneck could be removed by pre-loading as much into >> RAM as possible, and of course avoiding optical media >> as load media (instead, using a SSD or at least USB to >> boot). >> >>> As a memory is relatively cheep it can be even faster then ssd. >> Then check this out: >> >> http://www.sandisk.com.br/enterprise/ulltradimm-ssd/ >> >> Best of both worlds, and it could make the past come >> back (cf. AS/400 single-level storage). :-) > I would be interested in this as well. If no one has done it lately, I'd > like to work with some people and get this going as well. Seems like it would not be too difficult to do with a separate root filesystem. Boot that from disk or network and it creates a tmpfs and loads it with a /usr image. Or mdmfs could be used, but tmpfs has less overhead. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 04:24:56 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 005D473D for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 04:24:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sender1.zohomail.com (sender1.zohomail.com [74.201.84.156]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFB79B5D for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 04:24:55 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=zapps768; d=zoho.com; h=message-id:subject:from:to:date:in-reply-to:references:content-type:mime-version; b=H3bAqIzvT+SmLK9KpddqYuUFGPUuMekQAiUELlZ//fEje0ch3ur+rD3DsvGQ6MQW7yOJ40tf/Br9 +IFJAmAid6pUZPxjgl2fXwQHXu4vRFbIpGRd7qmb1r+i1nvtO1Qj Received: from eva02 (46.229.54.117 [46.229.54.117]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTPS id 1417753491868340.38266627074984; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 20:24:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1417753488.2773.1.camel@zoho.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD working from RAM (MFSROOT) as a Workstation. From: clutton <clutton@zoho.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 06:24:48 +0200 In-Reply-To: <54812A0A.6080105@yahoo.com> References: <1417734458.1772.1.camel@zoho.com> <20141205014616.da37661a.freebsd@edvax.de> <54812A0A.6080105@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.12.7 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ZohoMail: Ss SS_10 UW UB ZCF-710TPL UW UB SF_TD_EXT SGR3_1_27114_626 X-ZohoMail-Owner: <1417753488.2773.1.camel@zoho.com>+zmo_0_<clutton@zoho.com> X-ZohoMail-Sender: 46.229.54.117 X-Zoho-Virus-Status: 2 X-ZohoMailClient: External X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 04:24:56 -0000 I'm going to try. Will post the results here. First I'll try on one of my relatively fast machines. The world is already compiling. :) Then if everything is ok on my notebook with 8G RAM. On Thu, 2014-12-04 at 22:44 -0500, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions wrote: > Hi, > > I would be interested in this as well. If no one has done it lately, > I'd like to work with some people and get this going as well. > > I'm sure PXEboot, NFSv4, with a KDE Desktop would be fairly useful with > about 8GB of RAM and a Gb network. > > P. > > On 12/04/2014 19:46, Polytropon wrote: > > On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 01:07:38 +0200, clutton wrote: > >> Is anyone use a FreeBSD as a Desktop working from RAM, using MFSROOT? > > Many live systems work that way. For FreeBSD, check out > > FreeSBIE (sadly discontinued, but probably still available > > for download; NB: FreeBSD 5 and 6). Programs are loaded > > from CD (slow), but once they are "buffered" in RAM, things > > work fine. It would be interesting to see of this > > bottleneck could be removed by pre-loading as much into > > RAM as possible, and of course avoiding optical media > > as load media (instead, using a SSD or at least USB to > > boot). > > > > > > > >> As a memory is relatively cheep it can be even faster then ssd. > > Then check this out: > > > > http://www.sandisk.com.br/enterprise/ulltradimm-ssd/ > > > > Best of both worlds, and it could make the past come > > back (cf. AS/400 single-level storage). :-) > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 05:09:04 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DB1BB4B for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 05:09:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17265EC2 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 05:09:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id F1BEE33C1E; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 00:08:56 -0500 (EST) From: Lowell Gilbert <freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org> To: clutton <clutton@zoho.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD working from RAM (MFSROOT) as a Workstation. References: <1417734458.1772.1.camel@zoho.com> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 00:08:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1417734458.1772.1.camel@zoho.com> (clutton@zoho.com's message of "Fri, 05 Dec 2014 01:07:38 +0200") Message-ID: <447fy665uf.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 05:09:04 -0000 clutton <clutton@zoho.com> writes: > Is anyone use a FreeBSD as a Desktop working from RAM, using MFSROOT? That only speeds up the *first* load of each memory page mirroring a disk sector. After the system has been up a while, it's actually slower than running with a disk, because everything you actually use will have two copies in RAM: one on the disk image, and the one that's actually occupying normal resident pages. Furthermore, you have to load your whole root filesystem from disk before you start, even the parts you haven't used yet. I would expect that to give you a *slower* startup time. RAM is faster than SSD access, but the SSD is non-volatile, whereas the RAM needs to be repopulated from non-volatile storage every time you boot. And every page that is used has to get loaded into the RAM disk and *then* loaded into virtual memory. TL;DR: To run from RAM, you first have to load the RAM. The chances that an MFSROOT does this more efficiently (than starting directly from the nonvolatile disk) seem remote. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 05:45:15 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6CC7E94 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 05:45:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-x22c.google.com (mail-lb0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::22c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 682AA243 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 05:45:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f172.google.com with SMTP id u10so12869lbd.3 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 21:45:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=vTJlT8GK//By0oSC9j4Bxp0pRiLBHRxh6DjiORbM8Z4=; b=vQIRVQMPlKUMu/sZLQrCRYTG1k32mkcvG6IVEowni04FH7B5aNKpkp+vK3JPVnbgzO qyuUnLrqDHLKaOkNvIu3/dlU5mceFYbxtfN7hW5NxQseBAx2CpRm/0yX1fhuON6K2VH6 eRoRBeAoKs9XecBzARHkbn2KTc3n8VeZEH+Eh9Z/YQ08EqPcTqdIcfmksIZ5esGB/GS0 XH4G0pyyjOTltp3LFU4Gjg1IDq8y3Opg6lF32HUPOmaufgwzGPllN/284u1SwWcA/TOC e/LMAZq2L5KmH9twz7ZU/GmRf0QZ9CI1P4PyodJbsSwszRa5AUwsRF2U63alNa8TYSPD ahiA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.1.193 with SMTP id 1mr1080758lao.45.1417758313434; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 21:45:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.21.137 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 21:45:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <447fy665uf.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> References: <1417734458.1772.1.camel@zoho.com> <447fy665uf.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 16:45:13 +1100 Message-ID: <CAKYr3zyi8rYuywL-mnhgMQmKrzhTQWKa_4+aV145UmyuefthOg@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD working from RAM (MFSROOT) as a Workstation. From: Outback Dingo <outbackdingo@gmail.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: clutton <clutton@zoho.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 05:45:16 -0000 On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Lowell Gilbert < freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org> wrote: > clutton <clutton@zoho.com> writes: > > > Is anyone use a FreeBSD as a Desktop working from RAM, using MFSROOT? > > That only speeds up the *first* load of each memory page mirroring a > disk sector. After the system has been up a while, it's actually slower > than running with a disk, because everything you actually use will have > two copies in RAM: one on the disk image, and the one that's actually > occupying normal resident pages. > > Furthermore, you have to load your whole root filesystem from disk > before you start, even the parts you haven't used yet. I would expect > that to give you a *slower* startup time. RAM is faster than SSD access, > but the SSD is non-volatile, whereas the RAM needs to be repopulated > from non-volatile storage every time you boot. And every page that is > used has to get loaded into the RAM disk and *then* loaded into virtual > memory. > > TL;DR: To run from RAM, you first have to load the RAM. The chances that > an MFSROOT does this more efficiently (than starting directly from the > nonvolatile disk) seem remote. > well a good starting point to work from is mfsbsd http://mfsbsd.vx.sk/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 06:44:26 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A0BB3F0 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 06:44:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mario.brtsvcs.net (mario.brtsvcs.net [IPv6:2607:fc50:0:a400::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DCA39FC for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 06:44:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from chombo.houseloki.net (c-71-59-211-166.hsd1.or.comcast.net [71.59.211.166]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mario.brtsvcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1DA4E2C160E; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 06:44:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:baca:3aff:fe83:bd29] (ivy.libssl.so [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:baca:3aff:fe83:bd29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by chombo.houseloki.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C64E91B92; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 22:44:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5481543E.7040208@bluerosetech.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 22:44:14 -0800 From: Darren Pilgrim <list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "John R. Levine" <johnl@iecc.com> Subject: Re: switching from ports to pkg -- mailman group mismatch References: <20141204214125.33860.qmail@ary.lan> <5480EC4B.5010803@bluerosetech.com> <alpine.OSX.2.11.1412042255130.85870@ary.lan> In-Reply-To: <alpine.OSX.2.11.1412042255130.85870@ary.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 06:44:26 -0000 On 12/4/2014 8:01 PM, John R. Levine wrote: >>> Yes, we have a mess. If you need a port compiled with other than the >>> standard options, you can't use the package, and it's a challenge >>> to keep pkg from stomping your locally compiled versions. >> >> What issue are you seeing? > > One is that when pkg sees a package installed with options other than the > default, it tries to reinstall the default version. Since the reason I > build ports with custom options is that the default doesn't work for me, > that just breaks things. This is exactly what pkg-lock solves, as you've discovered. :) > The other is that when you have several ports that install approximately > the same thing, such as the various forks of mysql, pkg often decides to > install something that smashes an existing package. I have > percona56-{server,client} installed, and every time I try pkg upgrade, it > wants to install mysql55-client, which would break percona. The > dependencies in the ports work, so I don't know why pkg gets it wrong. Which port is this? Probably the depending port has the outdated *_DEPENDS lines instead of the appropriate *_USE varibles. Mk/bsd.database.mk is quite good at finding percona or mariadb as a mysql dependency, but the port has to invoke that code with a USE variable. It's also possible the depending port is specifically asking for mysql 5.5. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 06:55:06 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 402FE4EC for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 06:55:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from miucha.iecc.com (abusenet-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:1126::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "miucha.iecc.com", Issuer "StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB2FAAC8 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 06:55:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 14181 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2014 06:55:02 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:user-agent; s=3764.548156c6.k1412; bh=XM73X117k1e6T3OUArWMOBoIw3bTs66TIBVkJ1JKsSM=; b=nwGcg3tr1fUBP+t9ywZ6wb9OOtlYsx2WA1GLeFdcl/AQN9FisPAr3PLXSiWQpi6RovwdPYY99vYLVz1puGwMyaxQTcQXJ2J8HgeygtY/f4YQKdG+kjvwJuQUyCwYhmA93YfZsug+lSVCmpASk5VUtiQfyc0X+dKibqwNZqCfGLp5kR2xSx8+74HLzyjAAP3ZyK5wzZb6tx1a5FdtEhOVi5YRMrCOmSaCXMMWOuPVnKHP2tVO3CdRPmMWXu97NOZt Received: from localhost ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.0/X.509/SHA1) via TCP6; 05 Dec 2014 06:55:02 -0000 Date: 5 Dec 2014 01:55:03 -0500 Message-ID: <alpine.OSX.2.11.1412050151310.86503@ary.lan> From: "John R. Levine" <johnl@iecc.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: switching from ports to pkg -- mailman group mismatch In-Reply-To: <5481543E.7040208@bluerosetech.com> References: <20141204214125.33860.qmail@ary.lan> <5480EC4B.5010803@bluerosetech.com> <alpine.OSX.2.11.1412042255130.85870@ary.lan> <5481543E.7040208@bluerosetech.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (OSX 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 06:55:06 -0000 >> wants to install mysql55-client, which would break percona. The >> dependencies in the ports work, so I don't know why pkg gets it wrong. > > Which port is this? I think it's p5-DBD-mysql. The port builds fine with percona, it's only a problemw pkg upgrade. > It's also possible the depending port is specifically asking for mysql 5.5. Not in this case. R's, John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 07:22:47 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6342C7D9 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 07:22:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "ca.infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DFE4CD76 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 07:22:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.2.117.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sB57MS8w070328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 07:22:36 GMT (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.9.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk sB57MS8w070328 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/sB57MS8w070328; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none; dkim-atps=neutral Message-ID: <54815D29.9060602@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 07:22:17 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman <matthew@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: switching from ports to pkg -- mailman group mismatch References: <20141204214125.33860.qmail@ary.lan> <5480EC4B.5010803@bluerosetech.com> <alpine.OSX.2.11.1412042255130.85870@ary.lan> <5481543E.7040208@bluerosetech.com> <alpine.OSX.2.11.1412050151310.86503@ary.lan> In-Reply-To: <alpine.OSX.2.11.1412050151310.86503@ary.lan> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xH3c3b76O1ntHl2JVHc9rwShw4wi0MDLr" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.5 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 07:22:47 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --xH3c3b76O1ntHl2JVHc9rwShw4wi0MDLr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 05/12/2014 06:55, John R. Levine wrote: >>> wants to install mysql55-client, which would break percona. The >>> dependencies in the ports work, so I don't know why pkg gets it wrong= =2E >> >> Which port is this? >=20 > I think it's p5-DBD-mysql. The port builds fine with percona, it's onl= y > a problemw pkg upgrade. >=20 >> It's also possible the depending port is specifically asking for mysql= >> 5.5. >=20 > Not in this case. You're using p5-DBD-mysql from the default pkg repos? That's going to have the dependency on mysql55-client baked into it -- if you want to use percona, then in that case you'll need to compile your own. Apart from the usual specificity of dependencies in ports, and consequently pkg, p5-DBD-mysql links against libmysqlclient.so.X which is an additional constraint: even if we implemented some form of alternate dependency mechanism, we'd still need a series of p5-DBD-mysql binary packages to match up to the different ABI versions of libmysqlclient.so that come with the different versions of mysql and related databases. We do have plans for improving the pkg experience with precompiled packages in this regard. There are two measures in particular: - Sub packages: this essentially creates several different pkgs from one compiled source tree of a piece of software. There are a large number of options in the ports that do nothing except add some extra files to a package. In future, those files would be placed in a sub-package, which could be installed in addition to the main pkg as need= ed. - Provides / Requires / Conflicts -- instead of the way a compiled port nowadays has a hardwired dependency on exactly the software it was compiled with, this will provide a generic mechanism for substituting alternative dependencies at pkg install time. So, for instance a package will be able to require a 'WEB_SERVER' which any of apache{22,24}, nginx{,-devel} or lighttpd or others would be able to fulfil. In the MySQL case you might be able to say requires 'MYSQL_DATABASE_FAMILY' or 'MYSQL_55_DATABASE_FAMILY' to allow any of mysql, percona, mariadb possibly also requiring a compatible ABI version as well. Support for these mechanisms is under development in pkg itself, but introducing them is going to involve a lot of churn in the ports tree over and above what we've already seen in the last few years. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 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Weller-Fahy" <dave+lists.freebsd-questions@caterva.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem adding second mirror to zpool Message-ID: <20141205111900.GA98593@weller-fahy.com> References: <20141205015642.GD29540@weller-fahy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20141205015642.GD29540@weller-fahy.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:19:19 -0000 --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * David J. Weller-Fahy <dave+lists.freebsd-questions@caterva.org> [2014-12-= 04 21:03 -0500]: >#v+ >root@nastie:~ # zpool attach pool \ > /dev/gptid/c6ede2a4-78a6-11e4-8646-0014222d98da \ > /dev/gptid/fadbb43d-7aa2-11e4-8452-0014222d98da >cannot attach /dev/gptid/fadbb43d-7aa2-11e4-8452-0014222d98da to \ > /dev/gptid/c6ede2a4-78a6-11e4-8646-0014222d98da: no such device in pool >#v- > >Can anyone tell me how to add the last drive (ada1) without losing the=20 >data on the drive? Apologies: I just re-read this, and it doesn't say what I thought it=20 said. To rephrase: Can anyone tell me how to add ada1p1 to the pool=20 without losing the data that is on ada3p1 (which is already in the=20 pool)? I don't care about the data on ada1p1, because I just formatted=20 the darn thing. Regards, --=20 dave [ please don't CC me ] --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iD8DBQFUgZSkzahokXOb2UwRAvfoAJ9AskL246ZjQBALvUF1dRYHq6i0uwCffMRb IXoIPm9PEjFW3swTe6k56MI= =Q9Df -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 13:03:23 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 00DFDDEB for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 13:03:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-x236.google.com (mail-wi0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8662D976 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 13:03:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f182.google.com with SMTP id h11so1309678wiw.9 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 05:03:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:date:mime-version:subject:message-id:priority:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-description; bh=iychk0WX8/ZWlYdfOhlg9IbtYqxXrifA9CKBJlCJCt8=; b=bS5WaO87LKo8B4gHLFlabz/e16IDJXfy3Xg761Ro9SWV7nmI+pq7sa1kEnRkplH1Mw 5SoYrheddn/y2LUJJHs4ImTUzttvJBWmPqkDd6o805a4JqnYhE2BYp0UIDmre0nel8Ku DK/ISXMKIvAZDtsMD+3EZYH3ozmAz7j347vBrXUvHvL2R4/wWXhc17qW5UO6UBD6xQrc sRjGD7hNCy6us/0CTajUb4UQNtO47f7SD35Vq8Zch2soK57Jtyb7jqJoBPo0l2ZVxcd4 Pee/E6x34z9yxpa3xitDqMJstNOGOMpoKr4ZGCoyT+45pKujD9a2C0avXEBbkjEhWZcN 8Ifw== X-Received: by 10.194.57.43 with SMTP id f11mr23701150wjq.6.1417784600984; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 05:03:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.16.86] ([217.41.35.220]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id h2sm2232596wix.5.2014.12.05.05.03.19 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 05 Dec 2014 05:03:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Dave B" <g8kbvdave@googlemail.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 13:03:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: GPIB drivers? Message-ID: <5481AD17.17933.F02D8A@g8kbvdave.googlemail.com> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.62) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 13:03:23 -0000 Hi. Is anyone here aware of any viable drivers for any of the NI range of GPIB (IEEE488 bus) controler cards? Any such thing as a loadable Kernel module, such as there is for PPS support in NTP. Just researching possible options to repurpose some old W2k hardware. Regards. Dave B. 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[188.220.129.154]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ej10sm2265039wib.2.2014.12.05.05.12.29 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 05 Dec 2014 05:12:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 13:12:29 +0000 From: RW <rwmaillists@googlemail.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD working from RAM (MFSROOT) as a Workstation. Message-ID: <20141205131229.5ebd96d2@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <447fy665uf.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> References: <1417734458.1772.1.camel@zoho.com> <447fy665uf.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 13:12:34 -0000 On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 00:08:56 -0500 Lowell Gilbert wrote: > clutton <clutton@zoho.com> writes: > > > Is anyone use a FreeBSD as a Desktop working from RAM, using > > MFSROOT? > > That only speeds up the *first* load of each memory page mirroring a > disk sector. After the system has been up a while, it's actually > slower than running with a disk, because everything you actually use > will have two copies in RAM: one on the disk image, and the one > that's actually occupying normal resident pages. I don't know much about MFSROOT, but I doubt that's right. It seems unlikely that the kernel caches ram in ram, the normal expectation is that a single copy of a page is used until it needs to be copied-on-write. > TL;DR: To run from RAM, you first have to load the RAM. The chances > that an MFSROOT does this more efficiently (than starting directly > from the nonvolatile disk) seem remote. It depends on what you care about. If you aren't bothered by the time it takes to boot, on a desktop it may be preferable take a lot of separate reads off the critical path. An alternative might be to do a conventional boot and then kick-off a background script that pre-caches as much of the SSD as will fit in the remaining free memory. I'd try this first because it's a lot less trouble and will give a reasonable indication of how much thing can be speeded-up (at least until the cache is driven-out by something else). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 14:46:01 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05A03B0 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 14:46:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D093F673 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 14:46:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.41]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D8333C1D for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 09:45:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id AAAC139813; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 09:45:52 -0500 (EST) From: Lowell Gilbert <freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD working from RAM (MFSROOT) as a Workstation. References: <1417734458.1772.1.camel@zoho.com> <447fy665uf.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <CAKYr3zyi8rYuywL-mnhgMQmKrzhTQWKa_4+aV145UmyuefthOg@mail.gmail.com> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 09:45:52 -0500 In-Reply-To: <CAKYr3zyi8rYuywL-mnhgMQmKrzhTQWKa_4+aV145UmyuefthOg@mail.gmail.com> (Outback Dingo's message of "Fri, 5 Dec 2014 16:45:13 +1100") Message-ID: <44egsef93z.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 14:46:01 -0000 Outback Dingo <outbackdingo@gmail.com> writes: > On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Lowell Gilbert < > freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org> wrote: > >> clutton <clutton@zoho.com> writes: >> >> > Is anyone use a FreeBSD as a Desktop working from RAM, using MFSROOT? >> >> TL;DR: To run from RAM, you first have to load the RAM. The chances that >> an MFSROOT does this more efficiently (than starting directly from the >> nonvolatile disk) seem remote. >> > > well a good starting point to work from is mfsbsd > > > http://mfsbsd.vx.sk/ That's a useful tool, but not relevant to desktop use. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 15:34:54 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1AFCB5C6 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 15:34:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E059FC2A for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 15:34:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.41]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BE2F33C1D; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 10:34:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 0169B39813; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 10:34:46 -0500 (EST) From: Lowell Gilbert <freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org> To: RW <rwmaillists@googlemail.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD working from RAM (MFSROOT) as a Workstation. References: <1417734458.1772.1.camel@zoho.com> <447fy665uf.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <20141205131229.5ebd96d2@gumby.homeunix.com> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 10:34:45 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20141205131229.5ebd96d2@gumby.homeunix.com> (RW's message of "Fri, 5 Dec 2014 13:12:29 +0000") Message-ID: <4461dqf6ui.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 15:34:54 -0000 RW <rwmaillists@googlemail.com> writes: > On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 00:08:56 -0500 > Lowell Gilbert wrote: > >> clutton <clutton@zoho.com> writes: >> >> > Is anyone use a FreeBSD as a Desktop working from RAM, using >> > MFSROOT? >> >> That only speeds up the *first* load of each memory page mirroring a >> disk sector. After the system has been up a while, it's actually >> slower than running with a disk, because everything you actually use >> will have two copies in RAM: one on the disk image, and the one >> that's actually occupying normal resident pages. > > I don't know much about MFSROOT, but I doubt that's right. It seems > unlikely that the kernel caches ram in ram, the normal expectation is > that a single copy of a page is used until it needs to be > copied-on-write. You're right. The md device creates VM objects directly. >> TL;DR: To run from RAM, you first have to load the RAM. The chances >> that an MFSROOT does this more efficiently (than starting directly >> from the nonvolatile disk) seem remote. > > It depends on what you care about. If you aren't bothered by the > time it takes to boot, on a desktop it may be preferable take a lot of > separate reads off the critical path. You're losing some efficiency in how programs get loaded, but once you're off the "critical path," nobody cares. > An alternative might be to do a conventional boot and then kick-off a > background script that pre-caches as much of the SSD as will fit in the > remaining free memory. I'd try this first because it's a lot less > trouble and will give a reasonable indication of how much thing can be > speeded-up (at least until the cache is driven-out by something else). > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 15:48:25 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73C4FFFB for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 15:48:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ACFBD6C for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 15:48:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.41]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A9833C1D for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 10:48:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 70E6B39813; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 10:48:17 -0500 (EST) From: Lowell Gilbert <freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD working from RAM (MFSROOT) as a Workstation. References: <1417734458.1772.1.camel@zoho.com> <447fy665uf.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <20141205131229.5ebd96d2@gumby.homeunix.com> <4461dqf6ui.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 10:48:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4461dqf6ui.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> (Lowell Gilbert's message of "Fri, 05 Dec 2014 10:34:45 -0500") Message-ID: <44y4qmdrni.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 15:48:25 -0000 Oops. Sent that last message before I meant to. One more comment. RW <rwmaillists@googlemail.com> writes: > An alternative might be to do a conventional boot and then kick-off a > background script that pre-caches as much of the SSD as will fit in the > remaining free memory. I'd try this first because it's a lot less > trouble and will give a reasonable indication of how much thing can be > speeded-up (at least until the cache is driven-out by something else). I used to do something like this back when disks were slower. I can't remember why I stopped. Rather than boot time, it started a few seconds after I started an X session. I recall I spent a little time tuning it to minimize CPU consumption, but nothing all that tricky. Maybe I'll dig it out of my backups and see if it's a noticeable help today. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 16:32:07 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CD7A701 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 16:32:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qa0-f43.google.com (mail-qa0-f43.google.com [209.85.216.43]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B11328C for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 16:32:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id bm13so648969qab.16 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 08:32:00 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=5PgVdGCDWwp5mwZZRApc93Zk9zd7CwUgT+z3gE/SD/g=; b=TJHzPW8EiFHQt+Gcr0VOOgsH75rd2nyKZCzVPQ1dZA/U5TdU1MOmSSPBgagCyWKaDw szJ7XXN9Jm9aj0oGkUsT0zzANSNAvbu0fvu6Bo4/ywisbQU77TGX9Umru/PuFoLrMM4U w3/lFrXpUEZ2PeNmHbxbaS2UEQXiQ90T2mAvqHt+0GpsgowNj/7OYP14BUbgpsZ5Focx rGcxKBG3Tbhd69UYe53RkqTxV+KBJbI8sWlTlMSJBy6hSFrBOkPv1+s2BDJ3zl3a8JyE oifc4U5kvWp1cXkv3CebuRDPcTeOzN8Z8iWQSFord7xVIq+Sk2w7oD060prSabLZRZfk frog== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn0kidDpBy5oQe7aNsmLTL9+Lq03dt+b46X94I4be+scUOk8xgnkMso7BcAszE63nkNCmbY MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.102.116 with SMTP id v107mr26622812qge.68.1417796673460; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 08:24:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.85.179 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 08:24:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20141203211954.54e95b40@morena.maps.net> References: <CAKoxK+780cv7uC6GJtcQhQCdy1r6HOqTFQfchrVMXWF7ENf5dw@mail.gmail.com> <20141203211954.54e95b40@morena.maps.net> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 11:24:33 -0500 Message-ID: <CAHieY7RZaYSfUs2m1YRshUdp6mDvYnXFFddwV89YeCfRQSnBkg@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: suggestion for an all-in-one with multi page scanner From: Alejandro Imass <aimass@yabarana.com> To: Martin Paredes <mapsware@prodigy.net.mx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 16:32:07 -0000 On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 11:19 PM, Martin Paredes <mapsware@prodigy.net.mx> wrote: > El Sun, 30 Nov 2014 18:23:43 +0100 > Luca Ferrari <fluca1978@infinito.it> escribi=C3=B3: > > Hi all, > > Christmas is approaching and I'd like a suggestion for an all-in-one > > device with multipage scanner. In particular I'm interested in the > > printer and scanner, I don't need the fax device. And of course it is > > supposed to fully work with FreeBSD. > > > > Any idea? > > > > Thanks, > > Luca > > Maybe an HP, look in the page weg of > > hplip (HP Linux Imaging and Printing) > > For compatible printers > > http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/supported_devices/index.html > > For scanners support look here: http://sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html Not an expert but for multi-devices the USB subsystem must also recognize the different devices on the same wire so it behaves sort of like a hub. Sometimes is an issue, sometimes not. Just as a helper in deciding I have seen that Samsung and Xerox are mostly the same inside. Not sure if this is currently the situation but it has been in the past. Best, --=20 Alejandro Imass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 17:21:07 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E898BA23 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 17:21:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A06909C9 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 17:21:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.41]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E5733C1D; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 12:21:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id E7AA739813; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 12:20:59 -0500 (EST) From: Lowell Gilbert <freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org> To: "FreeBSD Questioner" <freebsd-questions@gmx.com> Subject: Re: Reserving localhost port numbers References: <trinity-2843f6bc-834a-464e-a671-a16327e982ae-1417549546056@3capp-mailcom-lxa06> <44d281ajz0.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <trinity-84fc8143-9c27-4181-884a-0a20dea0af68-1417735030728@3capp-mailcom-lxa13> reply-to: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 12:20:59 -0500 In-Reply-To: <trinity-84fc8143-9c27-4181-884a-0a20dea0af68-1417735030728@3capp-mailcom-lxa13> (FreeBSD Questioner's message of "Fri, 5 Dec 2014 00:17:11 +0100") Message-ID: <44tx1adnd0.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 17:21:08 -0000 "FreeBSD Questioner" <freebsd-questions@gmx.com> writes: >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 at 12:13 PM >> From: "Lowell Gilbert" <freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org> > > Thank you for your reply Lowell! > >> > >> > When making these connections, the remote field systems "reverse >> > tunnel" certain listening ports to the server via the ssh -R >> > parameter. >> >> Ouch. That's pretty ugly, and (because you'll be running TCP over TCP) >> may not perform well. You might want to consider an architecture with an >> intermediary agent on the central server instead. > > Ugly may reside largely in the eye of the beholder 8-) > > We've been using this scheme for some time with very good > results. Although with a limited number of clients, and an ongoing > concern about port number collisions. > > The service ports on the remote systems are for relatively low > bandwidth communications. With our present number of systems, there > havn't really been any performance issues. If it's low bandwidth per-session (client), it won't be a problem. > By "intermediary agent" do you mean a dedicated service process on the central server? Yes. It doesn't need to be very sophisticated. On further thought, though, it doesn't really need to be a dedicated process; you can just have the clients make two connections, with one of them existing to let whatever you're running on the server send data back. On the *other* other hand, having the server make a separate connection back to the client would work better in some scenarios. And IPSEC should be strongly tempting, because port numbers become irrelevant. > One of the benefits of this scheme is that it requires no custom > service, or client, compiled software. Just a small shell script on > the clients. I can see the advantages of not needing a programmer. > We are considering scaling this solution though. So your concerns could still manefest with a larger number of clients. With a larger number of clients, you're going to have more port number collisions. As long as the client gets to choose its host-side port number, it's choosing in the dark. >> > It would be desirable to reserve a block of 10000 or so ports, anywhere above the 1024 "privileged port" range. >> > >> >> Are the sysctls in the net.inet.ip.portrange. set what you're looking for? >> > > Thank you for this sugestion! > > I have the standard portrange values: > > # sysctl net.inet.ip.portrange > net.inet.ip.portrange.randomtime: 45 > net.inet.ip.portrange.randomcps: 10 > net.inet.ip.portrange.randomized: 1 > net.inet.ip.portrange.reservedlow: 0 > net.inet.ip.portrange.reservedhigh: 1023 > net.inet.ip.portrange.hilast: 65535 > net.inet.ip.portrange.hifirst: 49152 > net.inet.ip.portrange.last: 65535 > net.inet.ip.portrange.first: 10000 > net.inet.ip.portrange.lowlast: 600 > net.inet.ip.portrange.lowfirst: 1023 > > I've been doing a bit of reading on these parameters, but I'm still not clear on exactly what they do. I'm a little rusty, so I checked the code. It's more complicated than it used to be, but my understanding still seems to be correct. > I understand that first and last control where the networking stack > will locate transient outbound connections, but there are still some > unknowns for me: > > 1) Say I increase first to 20000. Can i then safely assign my tunneled > ports into the 10000-20000 range? Or will the kernel consider it an > error for a user process to open a port outside of the first - last > range? You'll still be able to assign those ports. Keep in mind that other applications can also do so, although it's not something that happens much. > 2) What is the difference between the "default" range (10000-65535) > and the "high" range (49152-65535)? Which software will use which > range? An application can specifically request the high range if it wants. I don't think many do any more, but several FTP implementations used to. It was a firewall gimmick. > 3) Do these parameters only control where the kernel allocates ports, > or does the kernel use them as allowable ranges for applications > attempting to open ports? Aside from the reserved range, if you ask for a particular port, these parameters are irrelevant. Good luck. 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[96.236.20.34]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id s19sm30291092qay.6.2014.12.05.09.25.54 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 05 Dec 2014 09:25:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5481EAA9.5020006@kraus-haus.org> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 12:26:01 -0500 From: Paul Kraus <paul@kraus-haus.org> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem adding second mirror to zpool References: <20141205015642.GD29540@weller-fahy.com> <20141205111900.GA98593@weller-fahy.com> In-Reply-To: <20141205111900.GA98593@weller-fahy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 17:25:57 -0000 On 12/5/14 6:19, David J. Weller-Fahy wrote: > * David J. Weller-Fahy <dave+lists.freebsd-questions@caterva.org> > [2014-12-04 21:03 -0500]: >> #v+ >> root@nastie:~ # zpool attach pool \ >> /dev/gptid/c6ede2a4-78a6-11e4-8646-0014222d98da \ >> /dev/gptid/fadbb43d-7aa2-11e4-8452-0014222d98da >> cannot attach /dev/gptid/fadbb43d-7aa2-11e4-8452-0014222d98da to \ >> /dev/gptid/c6ede2a4-78a6-11e4-8646-0014222d98da: no such device in >> pool >> #v- >> >> Can anyone tell me how to add the last drive (ada1) without losing the >> data on the drive? > > Apologies: I just re-read this, and it doesn't say what I thought it > said. To rephrase: Can anyone tell me how to add ada1p1 to the pool > without losing the data that is on ada3p1 (which is already in the > pool)? I don't care about the data on ada1p1, because I just formatted > the darn thing. The error is about the first device not being in the zpool, so I would first make sure that I shell completed the device name (path) instead of cut and paste or typing. A hidden character (backspace maybe) could make this fail. If that fails I would try exporting the importing the zpool. I saw your comment about size, but error is not related to size of the new device, but that the zpool command cannot find the existing device in the zpool to attach the new one to. You _may_ still have a space issue, but that is not this error. -- -- Paul Kraus paul@kraus-haus.org Co-Chair Albacon 2014.5 http://www.albacon.org/2014/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 19:15:26 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 145CB8C7 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 19:15:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from miucha.iecc.com (abusenet-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:1126::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "miucha.iecc.com", Issuer "StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 964739D7 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 19:15:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 15169 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2014 19:15:21 -0000 Received: from miucha.iecc.com (64.57.183.18) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2014 19:15:21 -0000 Date: 5 Dec 2014 19:15:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20141205191501.36669.qmail@ary.lan> From: "John Levine" <johnl@iecc.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: switching from ports to pkg -- mailman group mismatch In-Reply-To: <54815D29.9060602@FreeBSD.org> Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Cc: matthew@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 19:15:26 -0000 >You're using p5-DBD-mysql from the default pkg repos? That's going to >have the dependency on mysql55-client baked into it -- if you want to >use percona, then in that case you'll need to compile your own. Yes, that's what I said. The problem is that whenever I do pkg upgrade, it tries to replace my version with the default version, and install mysql55 as well. I can deter it by locking the package, but it's a pain. >We do have plans for improving the pkg experience with precompiled >packages in this regard. There are two measures in particular: Looking forward to them. Tnx. 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All those threads were unneeded, because it's mentioned by the mailman FAQ :). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 21:41:33 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CAF562D0 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 21:41:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mario.brtsvcs.net (mario.brtsvcs.net [199.48.128.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F9A7BA7 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 21:41:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from chombo.houseloki.net (unknown [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:21c:c0ff:fe7f:96ee]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mario.brtsvcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EC9472C1614; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 21:41:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:baca:3aff:fe83:bd29] (ivy.libssl.so [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:baca:3aff:fe83:bd29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by chombo.houseloki.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D03D01C1E; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 13:41:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5482267B.8020007@bluerosetech.com> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 13:41:15 -0800 From: Darren Pilgrim <list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Benfell <benfell@parts-unknown.org> Subject: Re: switching from ports to pkg -- mailman group mismatch References: <20141204164259.GA45875@home.parts-unknown.org> <20141204214125.33860.qmail@ary.lan> <20141205011041.GB11940@home.parts-unknown.org> In-Reply-To: <20141205011041.GB11940@home.parts-unknown.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 21:41:33 -0000 On 12/4/2014 5:10 PM, David Benfell wrote: > On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 09:41:25PM -0000, John Levine wrote: >> >> I lock the locally built packages with pkg lock, and every once in >> a while look to see if the port's updated, in which case I unlock it >> use portmaster to update it, then lock the new version. > > Is there a systematic way to tell what locked ports have been updated? Locks don't interfere with pkg-version. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 22:16:26 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8686B77C for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 22:16:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.parts-unknown.org (mail.parts-unknown.org [IPv6:2001:470:67:119::4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 633CAEBB for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 22:16:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.parts-unknown.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 00F355F2358B; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 14:16:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 14:16:24 -0800 From: David Benfell <benfell@parts-unknown.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: switching from ports to pkg -- mailman group mismatch Message-ID: <20141205221624.GA41832@home.parts-unknown.org> References: <20141204164259.GA45875@home.parts-unknown.org> <20141204214125.33860.qmail@ary.lan> <20141205011041.GB11940@home.parts-unknown.org> <5482267B.8020007@bluerosetech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5482267B.8020007@bluerosetech.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 22:16:26 -0000 --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 01:41:15PM -0800, Darren Pilgrim wrote: > On 12/4/2014 5:10 PM, David Benfell wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 09:41:25PM -0000, John Levine wrote: > >> > >> I lock the locally built packages with pkg lock, and every once in > >> a while look to see if the port's updated, in which case I unlock it > >> use portmaster to update it, then lock the new version. > > > > Is there a systematic way to tell what locked ports have been updated? >=20 > Locks don't interfere with pkg-version. >=20 So it looks like a root cron job running "pkg version -R | grep "<$" is also my friend. 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 05/12/2014 22:16, David Benfell wrote: > On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 01:41:15PM -0800, Darren Pilgrim wrote: >> On 12/4/2014 5:10 PM, David Benfell wrote: >>> On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 09:41:25PM -0000, John Levine wrote: >>>> >>>> I lock the locally built packages with pkg lock, and every once in >>>> a while look to see if the port's updated, in which case I unlock it= >>>> use portmaster to update it, then lock the new version. >>> >>> Is there a systematic way to tell what locked ports have been updated= ? >> >> Locks don't interfere with pkg-version. >> > So it looks like a root cron job running "pkg version -R | grep "<$" > is also my friend. Thanks! >=20 Useless use of grep. pkg version -Rl'<' Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 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Adding a hard drive to my system results in the system not booting anymore because the device name for / changes after the second drive is detected. I have overcome this by having an fstab like this: # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# /dev/ufs/root / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/ada0s3b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/ufs/var /var ufs rw 2 2 /dev/ufs/usr /usr ufs rw 2 2 proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 As is plain to see, my machine boots from an MBR drive (in this case an SSD). Note the swap drive however. I have not found a way so far to label the swap partition in a way that I can make the system find it at boot time. Is there a way to do this and if so, then how? Best regards, Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 6 00:02:44 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C25643A1 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 00:02:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82D8DC8E for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 00:02:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-18-117.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.18.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C19633CDC8; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 01:02:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id sB602Zlm002704; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 01:02:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 01:02:35 +0100 From: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> To: Christian Baer <christian.baer@uni-dortmund.de> Subject: Re: Mounting swap without device name Message-Id: <20141206010235.331c3212.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <m5tgcq$f9i$1@ger.gmane.org> References: <m5tgcq$f9i$1@ger.gmane.org> Reply-To: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 00:02:44 -0000 On Sat, 06 Dec 2014 00:50:50 +0100, Christian Baer wrote: > Changing device IDs can be a pain. Adding a hard drive to my system results > in the system not booting anymore because the device name for / changes > after the second drive is detected. I have overcome this by having an fstab > like this: > > # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# > /dev/ufs/root / ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/ada0s3b none swap sw 0 0 > /dev/ufs/var /var ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ufs/usr /usr ufs rw 2 2 > proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 > > As is plain to see, my machine boots from an MBR drive (in this case an > SSD). Note the swap drive however. I have not found a way so far to label > the swap partition in a way that I can make the system find it at boot time. > > Is there a way to do this and if so, then how? With "glabel label" - you cannot use a UFS label (like for the partitions shown in your /etc/fstab) because swap does not have a file system, but you can use gpart to attach a label to the partition itself. It could be "/dev/label/swap" (note: not "/dev/ufs/swap" for mentioned reasons). More information here: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html#_the_old_standard_mbr -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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[76.218.80.47]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ay4sm12503202pbb.29.2014.12.05.16.18.22 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 05 Dec 2014 16:18:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54824B4D.9000004@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 17:18:21 -0700 From: jd1008 <jd1008@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mounting swap without device name References: <m5tgcq$f9i$1@ger.gmane.org> <20141206010235.331c3212.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20141206010235.331c3212.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 00:18:23 -0000 On 12/05/2014 05:02 PM, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 06 Dec 2014 00:50:50 +0100, Christian Baer wrote: >> Changing device IDs can be a pain. Adding a hard drive to my system results >> in the system not booting anymore because the device name for / changes >> after the second drive is detected. I have overcome this by having an fstab >> like this: >> >> # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# >> /dev/ufs/root / ufs rw 1 1 >> /dev/ada0s3b none swap sw 0 0 >> /dev/ufs/var /var ufs rw 2 2 >> /dev/ufs/usr /usr ufs rw 2 2 >> proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 >> >> As is plain to see, my machine boots from an MBR drive (in this case an >> SSD). Note the swap drive however. I have not found a way so far to label >> the swap partition in a way that I can make the system find it at boot time. >> >> Is there a way to do this and if so, then how? > With "glabel label" - you cannot use a UFS label (like for > the partitions shown in your /etc/fstab) because swap does > not have a file system, but you can use gpart to attach a > label to the partition itself. It could be "/dev/label/swap" > (note: not "/dev/ufs/swap" for mentioned reasons). > > More information here: > > http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html#_the_old_standard_mbr > Well, glabel(8) is used to /label swap partitions. / The label will appear in //dev/label when drive is detected. / From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 6 00:29:02 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8F26ECE for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 00:29:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmfepo202.cox.net (eastrmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B5AEB6 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 00:29:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo109 ([68.230.241.222]) by eastrmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20141206002855.ROFH26047.eastrmfepo202.cox.net@eastrmimpo109> for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 19:28:55 -0500 Received: from macbook.local.popelka.us ([72.205.45.227]) by eastrmimpo109 with cox id Q0Uu1p00D4u5WUQ010UumD; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 19:28:54 -0500 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020A.54824DC6.01E5,ss=1,re=0.001,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Y70mRGiN c=1 sm=1 a=KPoI11KysOGbLPnGgDkkuA==:17 a=Ihlm5HH3WnQA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=j4nzMFrpAAAA:8 a=M5rjXWIANz-ufuPWrKQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=KPoI11KysOGbLPnGgDkkuA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=arickp@cox.net Message-ID: <54824DC6.5090605@cox.net> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 19:28:54 -0500 From: Eric Popelka <arickp@cox.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Staying safe and sound Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 00:29:02 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Hi, I'm administering FreeBSD on a public-facing virtual server as a side project/resume builder/etc. My question is: what should I be doing to keep the blackhat hax0rz away? 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x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 00:39:08 -0000 On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 19:28:54 -0500, Eric Popelka wrote: > I'm still on FreeBSD 10.0, so I'm assuming that I should upgrade the > kernel to 10.1. https://www.freebsd.org/security/#recent https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/security-advisories.html http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-security-notifications http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-announce From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 6 03:06:36 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 54883549 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 03:06:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from icp-osb-irony-out8.external.iinet.net.au (icp-osb-irony-out8.external.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.225]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0DD19D for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 03:06:35 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: An8GAO1xglTLzi5n/2dsb2JhbABZgwZSWLNBAQEBAQEBBpJ5CoVETwKBERYBAQEBAX2EAwEBAwEBAQE3NAsFCwsNARMNAQEWDwUTAQQxE4gyCA7VaQEBAQEBAQQBAQEBAR2GJ4lmQgcSAQWDCYEVBY1chWiDUByCLoEjNIUKKIVqgmuDYoIAHIFnKzABgQQHF4EgAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,527,1413216000"; d="scan'208";a="879108036" Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.phoenix) ([203.206.46.103]) by icp-osb-irony-out8.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 06 Dec 2014 11:06:27 +0800 Received: by smtp.phoenix (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2EC9E482; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 14:06:27 +1100 (AEDT) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 14:06:27 +1100 From: andrew clarke <mail@ozzmosis.com> To: Eric Popelka <arickp@cox.net> Subject: Re: Staying safe and sound Message-ID: <20141206030627.GA7787@ozzmosis.com> References: <54824DC6.5090605@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <54824DC6.5090605@cox.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 03:06:36 -0000 On Fri 2014-12-05 19:28:54 UTC-0500, Eric Popelka (arickp@cox.net) wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > Hi, > > I'm administering FreeBSD on a public-facing virtual server as a side > project/resume builder/etc. My question is: what should I be doing to > keep the blackhat hax0rz away? I do some of the obvious (firewalling > most inbound traffic with ipfilter, reading the log files daily). A fresh install of FreeBSD is extremely secure. sshguard or similar might be useful if you're running public-facing sshd, mostly just to cut the noise down in your logs from people (or, rather, people running bots) trying to brute-force login. After a few incorrect password attempts the software can block their IP address. Whether it's Windows, Linux, OS X, BSD etc, security problems in the base OS or web server software (Apache, nginx, etc) are quite rare these days. I believe most site defacements and breakins occur due to bugs in PHP scripts or leaked passwords, etc. > I'm still on FreeBSD 10.0, so I'm assuming that I should upgrade the > kernel to 10.1. If I do go up to 10.1, is this simple enough on a > running system? I don't want to lose whatever drivers/modules/etc. > that came with the fresh DVD install of 10.0 (the virtual is running > FreeBSD using Xen, if that makes a difference). Assuming you're running the GENERIC kernel on 10.0-RELEASE (check uname -a), freebsd-update can upgrade both kernel and userland to 10.1, but there's no rush. 10.0 is currently still supported, so you can get security updates for it (also with freebsd-update). The latter is very simple. Note that security updates to the kernel will require a reboot to take effect. Upgrading from 10.0 to 10.1 may be slightly more work in the case of config file changes between versions, but it should be pretty self-explanatory. Given you're running FreeBSD in a VM, you could easily create a second non-public-facing VM just to experiment with if you're uneasy about working on the public-facing server. Alternatively you could use snapshots on the VM host if it supports that, in case you make a mistake you're not sure how to correct. > I assume I should also be doing pkg update; pkg upgrade on a regular > basis, too. Anything else I should be doing -- is there another > mailing list or RSS feed that notifies you about major vulnerabilities? Security updates to the base system are sent to freebsd-announce: https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-announce Probably other places too. For packages/ports, see the VuXML database at http://vuxml.freebsd.org/freebsd/index-date.html for more info. > (Yes, I realize OpenBSD is the choice for those serious about > security, but like I said, this is mostly a playground server for > personal use. That said, I don't want to become an open relay, have my > site defaced, etc.) The FreeBSD team are serious about security. OpenBSD may have a name for itself but its leader is somewhat obsessive and abrasive, tending to drive people away. Subjectively, I find FreeBSD quite a bit easier to use than Net/OpenBSD, and I suspect that's most other people's experience too. Regards Andrew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 6 04:07:04 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02F5516B for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 04:07:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmfepo102.cox.net (eastrmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A14AD996 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 04:07:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo210 ([68.230.241.225]) by eastrmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20141206040656.KEQR13649.eastrmfepo102.cox.net@eastrmimpo210> for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 23:06:56 -0500 Received: from macbook.local.popelka.us ([72.205.45.227]) by eastrmimpo210 with cox id Q46v1p00B4u5WUQ0146wki; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 23:06:56 -0500 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020207.548280E0.00E7,ss=1,re=0.001,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=aZC/a2Ut c=1 sm=1 a=KPoI11KysOGbLPnGgDkkuA==:17 a=Ihlm5HH3WnQA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=GumQ9EM2AAAA:8 a=RkdYTFmYn3J_9wtYY_oA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=DXAZHqwI1i-5w_n-:21 a=rQjjq5sGgX8tbPgJ:21 a=KPoI11KysOGbLPnGgDkkuA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=arickp@cox.net Message-ID: <548280DF.90200@cox.net> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 23:06:55 -0500 From: Eric Popelka <arickp@cox.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andrew clarke <mail@ozzmosis.com> Subject: Re: Staying safe and sound References: <54824DC6.5090605@cox.net> <Q36U1p00Z4rGeTP0136WdT> In-Reply-To: <Q36U1p00Z4rGeTP0136WdT> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 04:07:04 -0000 On 12/5/14 10:06 PM, andrew clarke wrote: > A fresh install of FreeBSD is extremely secure. > > sshguard or similar might be useful if you're running public-facing > sshd, mostly just to cut the noise down in your logs from people (or, > rather, people running bots) trying to brute-force login. After a few > incorrect password attempts the software can block their IP address. I'm with you there. I had to set up ipfilter to block all port 22 traffic (except for a couple subnets), as I was seeing failed login attempts for 'oracle', 'admin', etc. once things were up and running. I'll look into sshguard as well. > Whether it's Windows, Linux, OS X, BSD etc, security problems in the > base OS or web server software (Apache, nginx, etc) are quite rare > these days. I believe most site defacements and breakins occur due to > bugs in PHP scripts or leaked passwords, etc. Ah yes. Professionally, I've had to spend many hours preventing Little Baby Tables (http://xkcd.com/327/) from causing havoc. > Assuming you're running the GENERIC kernel on 10.0-RELEASE (check > uname -a), freebsd-update can upgrade both kernel and userland to > 10.1, but there's no rush. 10.0 is currently still supported, so you > can get security updates for it (also with freebsd-update). > > The latter is very simple. Note that security updates to the kernel > will require a reboot to take effect. > > Upgrading from 10.0 to 10.1 may be slightly more work in the case of > config file changes between versions, but it should be pretty > self-explanatory. Great, thanks. It was hard to even find a hosting company, with servers in the Northeast U.S., that even had FreeBSD install ISOs to attach. >> (Yes, I realize OpenBSD is the choice for those serious about >> security, but like I said, this is mostly a playground server for >> personal use. That said, I don't want to become an open relay, have my >> site defaced, etc.) > > The FreeBSD team are serious about security. > > OpenBSD may have a name for itself but its leader is somewhat > obsessive and abrasive, tending to drive people away. > > Subjectively, I find FreeBSD quite a bit easier to use than > Net/OpenBSD, and I suspect that's most other people's experience too. Theo de Raadt? Yeah, it's too bad we can't all get along. Man, I think that's been going on since the mid-90s. Good times. Sorry about my choice of words re: OpenBSD, I was going to say 'super paranoid about security', but my desire to keep things calm and peaceful on a "newbie questions" mailing list prevented me from doing so. Certainly FreeBSD has been easy for me to pick up. Couldn't figure out RootOnZFS, but that's experimental anyway, and I know very little about zfs pools/mirrors/etc. UFS works fine for what I'm doing. -Eric From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 6 04:24:06 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B8F14C1 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 04:24:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from weller-fahy.com (sinecure.xen.prgmr.com [71.19.148.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx.weller-fahy.com", Issuer "StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B7E8C25 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 04:24:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from weller-fahy.com (c-71-232-224-89.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [71.232.224.89]); by mx.weller-fahy.com (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 4bbf97ea; TLS version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO; for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 04:23:57 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 23:23:55 -0500 From: "David J. Weller-Fahy" <dave+lists.freebsd-questions@caterva.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem adding second mirror to zpool Message-ID: <20141206042355.GA4525@weller-fahy.com> References: <20141205015642.GD29540@weller-fahy.com> <20141205111900.GA98593@weller-fahy.com> <5481EAA9.5020006@kraus-haus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5481EAA9.5020006@kraus-haus.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 04:24:06 -0000 --vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * Paul Kraus <paul@kraus-haus.org> [2014-12-05 12:26 -0500]: >On 12/5/14 6:19, David J. Weller-Fahy wrote: >>* David J. Weller-Fahy <dave+lists.freebsd-questions@caterva.org> >>[2014-12-04 21:03 -0500]: >>>#v+ >>>root@nastie:~ # zpool attach pool \ >>> /dev/gptid/c6ede2a4-78a6-11e4-8646-0014222d98da \ >>> /dev/gptid/fadbb43d-7aa2-11e4-8452-0014222d98da >>>cannot attach /dev/gptid/fadbb43d-7aa2-11e4-8452-0014222d98da to \ >>> /dev/gptid/c6ede2a4-78a6-11e4-8646-0014222d98da: no such device in >>>pool >>>#v- > >The error is about the first device not being in the zpool, so I would=20 >first make sure that I shell completed the device name (path) instead=20 >of cut and paste or typing. A hidden character (backspace maybe) could=20 >make this fail. I made sure I was using shell completion, and tried from a terminal on=20 the device (rather than sshing into the box), with the same error. >If that fails I would try exporting the importing the zpool. I tried booting from a Live CD (USB-key, but same idea), imported the=20 zpool, exported the zpool, then imported it again, and finally executed=20 the same commands. Same error. I then tried removing the second partition from the first mirror, so=20 there were only two drives in the pool, neither mirrored, and tried to=20 add the partition again. Same error. I then decided I needed more information, and tried to get it by=20 executing `zdb -C`... which gave me a new error! The new error follows. #v+ root@~ # zdb -C cannot open '/boot/zfs/zpool.cache': No such file or directory #v- However, I believe that's just because I'm in a live boot that doesn't=20 normally contain my zpool. Looking in pool/root/boot/zfs I see the=20 zpool.cache file, so this is probably a red herring. At this point I'm not sure what to try other than copying all the data=20 off the zpool, destroying the zpool entirely, and adding all the disks=20 at once during creation. Any other suggestions? >I saw your comment about size, but error is not related to size of the=20 >new device, but that the zpool command cannot find the existing device=20 >in the zpool to attach the new one to. You _may_ still have a space=20 >issue, but that is not this error. Yes: the comment about size was more about what would be needed to copy=20 all the data off the zpool if I needed to wipe everything and start=20 over. It was not about the space on the zpool or sizes needed for the=20 zpool, but I may have been unclear. Regards, --=20 dave [ please don't CC me ] --vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iD8DBQFUgoTbzahokXOb2UwRAovlAJ9oweAbbL2G00RFz+qgAwKpy+AA/gCeKtsr dq6TSU4WXpBKknCwNX2WZzA= =T5gl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 6 04:58:17 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D714748 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 04:58:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pd0-f172.google.com (mail-pd0-f172.google.com [209.85.192.172]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0270BEBA for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 04:58:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pd0-f172.google.com with SMTP id y13so1943159pdi.3 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 20:58:10 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:mail-followup-to:date:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=6VKVeYqGt/29iorEh5W1xJD0oiBQIo3P3nXaW9b14zk=; b=iI931MoIK2+/+ARrqYMvXgRgoFuLCvetqSZVpqb9JFFRmmapxFf2LImRUrfAs9uphr in4KirvJ+k+eV4XzWcPPQ2gq/iYzOjanhYCIZx+mjLasxAPLbPvno8DRorzWeZieZtzF xogzqPW0/Vi6FMO2E2TXkAiQtiS7cae8eyUo7MbLM1t1+I0MZeghZQtTbRcsQeL2CkfP XdlPc/rs8REWKrfAOqC8H2McCRf9rdQwPQ3Yxq3cSNE9MVUzuRqmPdE3aON9fTs9lXwW VurdulWSvSCBsqnU4f8ovNzhcQjkN0SSgDz/X/uoFkxQoQrDfHjUFFolkyx1jp9W0P8l +lAA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkBriSMUn2Xy4RAXiAtTavcT9AGsHlnsY0GOQhAXv8yQWd3HZaG++bMi329rIXll8WKsWI2 X-Received: by 10.66.124.136 with SMTP id mi8mr34822208pab.105.1417841889969; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 20:58:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from elk.localnet ([2604:8800:100:82aa:6ef0:49ff:fe05:658b]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ri3sm17103115pdb.58.2014.12.05.20.58.08 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 05 Dec 2014 20:58:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from carlj by elk.localnet with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <carlj@peak.org>) id 1Xx7RW-0002Kn-EY for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 20:58:06 -0800 From: Carl Johnson <carlj@peak.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Pgk upgrade solver problems Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 20:58:06 -0800 Message-ID: <87wq65v0gx.fsf@elk.localnet> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 04:58:17 -0000 I have just tried to run a 'pkg upgrade', but I am getting a lot of 'SAT solver' problems. It appeared that it wants to remove the offending packages, so I did a '^C' after the first few of them to abort any operations. The program output looked normal at first and downloaded all of the packages, but then I started getting errors like these (long lines): pkg: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver: cannot install package p5-Locale-gettext~devel/p5-Locale-gettext, remove it from request? [Y/n]: cannot install package xfce~x11-wm/xfce4, remove it from request? [Y/n]: pkg: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver: cannot install package Thunar~x11-fm/thunar, remove it from request? [Y/n]: pkg: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver: cannot install package glib~devel/glib20, remove it from request? [Y/n]: cannot install package xfce4-desktop~x11-wm/xfce4-desktop, remove it from request? [Y/n]: pkg: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver: cannot install package libxfce4util~x11/libxfce4util, remove it from request? [Y/n]: cannot install package libreoffice~editors/libreoffice, remove it from request? [Y/n]: I can't figure out if these messages mean that it will not upgrade these packages, or if it means that it will remove the packages. I currently have pkg version 1.3.8_3 and last upgraded all packages about a month ago. I also upgraded the base system from 10.0-RELEASE-p12 to 10.1-RELEASE since then, but I didn't think that should effect the packages. Does anybody have any suggestions on what these errors mean, and what I can do about them? Thanks for any suggestions. -- Carl Johnson carlj@peak.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 6 06:24:37 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 527AC259 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 06:24:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm30-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm30-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.126]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF9748A5 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 06:24:36 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1417847069; bh=hyWkiRT42RFWjjzZUkxn3BtxR/AZoDjl1wvfg0xNtuU=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=kH1/WH2ywA1tsa2U7OjMSYAlRuuxAqpZu/e+JSJSF5gEtrRmYoe4lXI1B0C/GWO4L7QHiMLX2wE/aOE1O3N7jDIlB3JbKuyd28LdNIY9upZGTURBukWH3QQBiedTXAtTJDYWYYzdg5gvOHKNT4sc+iUjxMLS3lCPW3bHt8yvmneZuzOil8TlCe17bcgfmh6f3LR52I1SKdhnYK4euXzFefZzRfc4kbWUY3yWQmNp0e6l7VUJjnh1QwEV5xH3DoX/M6cjgpS1lVc8uCGP3DVHLIHiL1jf8gVsX/gJQTu462S+FfBmZybSiYMR2PN3ZZTIb7T8Y90+W92VELq6R3Pc+w== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=yahoo.com; b=l493iWb//y7fUI9IOl7h1nw4aLpxtZuA+c6bgmkEta3U4TK6mCLVvv0YsKD+amDpZO7Pw4puC7jJxvXG/IU89goLHAJ41W8BMqMr+pwkHq2+/ayNvPjOLugg/SqqXJVFaKhnGRFO1Bi7VQ9O/INFBm/GYpZMKdT32RgcITdBsLBzUsjoS7wKPfJ08sMEwBmVhRVczEAtz95RGG1oKkU7Kz7azykanNYzo3KgvZt23Zbn/xfFlIa94vVSatJDE62GARx6gvS6/ZIwLZRXLzoDZtCjk0YwDJAXUq/GfgPLA71pNokKb87aaP84yV71KrmhDiMFJTMEAa7Kwv11XcD0Ig==; Received: from [66.196.81.172] by nm30.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2014 06:24:29 -0000 Received: from [68.142.230.72] by tm18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2014 06:24:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp229.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2014 06:24:29 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 52662.79359.bm@smtp229.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: VpEjARIVM1k7Q9Dg6dbgZim5.897RfmzxnWkRkMefcxntol bjlTEFRZssI57QqAN8KqsKyoFTvgSN2yP.36rqvgvU15fCv.xZiGm9qUPS_H _MzwJBPAjBrSLkCmNPZ69LPmDc45.6nJz_uCzRJXUJgsNgxf_o_jaJLsa7vd B.B2AINYYqQr0GzfJ_QXV1pdQfYsO4wSZHAy5aci_mxgrzX1y8hvPUlMDI7b BW5kAZtSVoIFIsvb.4CJtHtBWVMBNc0yqzZTS4G9hOnygSVTgOSj4wkQZ.1F DpEjaVWUjpNxJIkgelbg86LUhJb5NHA9OSKF7SlG56iYj6Ci3Tm9bFX2PKdR sJHNwZqJzANdco9_hgLiuTPl67E0NbCNi1UvWEWDRdPPWmsTOKlfM.tjKcHO 0nbFZrSSXCFuMNPUWm7ldYmqD0.6BqtEmNL.C.NxHhI0pmmnrr8cnt4HJKTA KewN3vnQ4z7LqGsnU19ggkkr8u5L1jpBYFZQqkuR1TPXuXhYbOAe90CjIIJ7 NGTZkDJpFkI4NEwKTJu5jTWbi9asXbwg- X-Yahoo-SMTP: h3Xqg6.swBC0yI913RMMwp94grO_cg-- Message-ID: <5482A11B.3030600@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 01:24:27 -0500 From: Paul Pathiakis <pathiaki2@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pgk upgrade solver problems References: <87wq65v0gx.fsf@elk.localnet> In-Reply-To: <87wq65v0gx.fsf@elk.localnet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 06:24:37 -0000 Carl, I had something like this and decided to regen the pkg database. pkg -Ba (I think) It cleared most of this up. P. On 12/05/2014 23:58, Carl Johnson wrote: > I have just tried to run a 'pkg upgrade', but I am getting a lot of 'SAT > solver' problems. It appeared that it wants to remove the offending > packages, so I did a '^C' after the first few of them to abort any > operations. > > The program output looked normal at first and downloaded all of the > packages, but then I started getting errors like these (long lines): > > pkg: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver: > cannot install package p5-Locale-gettext~devel/p5-Locale-gettext, remove it from request? [Y/n]: > cannot install package xfce~x11-wm/xfce4, remove it from request? [Y/n]: > pkg: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver: > cannot install package Thunar~x11-fm/thunar, remove it from request? [Y/n]: > pkg: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver: > cannot install package glib~devel/glib20, remove it from request? [Y/n]: > cannot install package xfce4-desktop~x11-wm/xfce4-desktop, remove it from request? [Y/n]: > pkg: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver: > cannot install package libxfce4util~x11/libxfce4util, remove it from request? [Y/n]: > cannot install package libreoffice~editors/libreoffice, remove it from request? [Y/n]: > > I can't figure out if these messages mean that it will not upgrade these > packages, or if it means that it will remove the packages. I currently > have pkg version 1.3.8_3 and last upgraded all packages about a month > ago. I also upgraded the base system from 10.0-RELEASE-p12 to > 10.1-RELEASE since then, but I didn't think that should effect the > packages. Does anybody have any suggestions on what these errors mean, > and what I can do about them? > > Thanks for any suggestions. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 6 08:39:34 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32E96CED for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 08:39:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from systemdatarecorder.org (mail.systemdatarecorder.org [54.246.96.61]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "localhost", Issuer "localhost" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4F2632C for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 08:39:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nereid (82-181-158-75.bb.dnainternet.fi [82.181.158.75]) (authenticated bits=0) by systemdatarecorder.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-2ubuntu2.1) with ESMTP id sB68fUZT016577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 08:41:31 GMT Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 10:39:15 +0200 From: Stefan Parvu <sparvu@systemdatarecorder.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: auth failed for pam saslauthd freebsd current Message-Id: <20141206103915.52ea705d4213fec971897aa7@systemdatarecorder.org> Organization: systemdatarecorder.org X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.4.2 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 08:39:34 -0000 Hi, Im trying to understand why I cant auth via pam using testsaslauthd. I have installed: * cyrus-sasl-2.1.26_9 * cyrus-sasl-saslauthd-2.1.26_1 SASL authentication server for cyrus-sasl2 and Im starting saslauthd in debug mode: Starting saslauthd. saslauthd[3219] :main : num_procs : 5 saslauthd[3219] :main : mech_option: NULL saslauthd[3219] :main : run_path : /var/run/saslauthd saslauthd[3219] :main : auth_mech : pam saslauthd[3219] :ipc_init : using accept lock file: /var/run/saslauthd/mux.accept saslauthd[3219] :detach_tty : master pid is: 0 saslauthd[3219] :ipc_init : listening on socket: /var/run/saslauthd/mux saslauthd[3219] :main : using process model saslauthd[3219] :have_baby : forked child: 3220 saslauthd[3220] :get_accept_lock : acquired accept lock saslauthd[3219] :have_baby : forked child: 3221 saslauthd[3219] :have_baby : forked child: 3222 saslauthd[3219] :have_baby : forked child: 3223 and then trying to test: testsaslauthd -u xxxx -p xxxx returns always: 0: NO "authentication failed" and in the saslauthd logs: saslauthd[3220] :rel_accept_lock : released accept lock saslauthd[3221] :get_accept_lock : acquired accept lock saslauthd[3220] :do_auth : auth failure: [user=sparvu] [service=imap] [realm=localhost] [mech=pam] [reason=PAM auth error] The saslauthd runs as: root 3231 0.0 0.1 47276 5176 4 S+ 10:38AM 0:00.01 /usr/local/sbin/saslauthd -d -a pam -m /var/run/saslauthd root 3232 0.0 0.1 47276 5176 4 S+ 10:38AM 0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/saslauthd -d -a pam -m /var/run/saslauthd root 3233 0.0 0.1 47276 5172 4 S+ 10:38AM 0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/saslauthd -d -a pam -m /var/run/saslauthd root 3234 0.0 0.1 47276 5172 4 S+ 10:38AM 0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/saslauthd -d -a pam -m /var/run/saslauthd root 3235 0.0 0.1 47276 5172 4 S+ 10:38AM 0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/saslauthd -d -a pam -m /var/run/saslauthd Anyone any ideas ? Many thanks, -- Stefan Parvu <sparvu@systemdatarecorder.org> From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 6 09:11:47 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7827B0B for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 09:11:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from systemdatarecorder.org (mail.systemdatarecorder.org [54.246.96.61]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "localhost", Issuer "localhost" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F6448B8 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 09:11:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nereid (82-181-158-75.bb.dnainternet.fi [82.181.158.75]) (authenticated bits=0) by systemdatarecorder.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-2ubuntu2.1) with ESMTP id sB69Dn19016683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 09:13:50 GMT Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 11:11:37 +0200 From: Stefan Parvu <sparvu@systemdatarecorder.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: auth failed for pam saslauthd freebsd current Message-Id: <20141206111137.d5ca7dbffc640e666ee067d2@systemdatarecorder.org> In-Reply-To: <20141206103915.52ea705d4213fec971897aa7@systemdatarecorder.org> References: <20141206103915.52ea705d4213fec971897aa7@systemdatarecorder.org> Organization: systemdatarecorder.org X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.4.2 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 09:11:47 -0000 one additional question: shouldn't saslauthd daemon dyn link against sasl libraries ? Trying ldd against saslauthd I see no relation to sasl libraries ... is this normal ? /usr/local/sbin/saslauthd: libgssapi.so.10 => /usr/lib/libgssapi.so.10 (0x80082b000) libheimntlm.so.11 => /usr/lib/libheimntlm.so.11 (0x800a34000) libkrb5.so.11 => /usr/lib/libkrb5.so.11 (0x800c3a000) libhx509.so.11 => /usr/lib/libhx509.so.11 (0x800eb2000) libcom_err.so.5 => /usr/lib/libcom_err.so.5 (0x8010fc000) libcrypto.so.7 => /lib/libcrypto.so.7 (0x8012fe000) libasn1.so.11 => /usr/lib/libasn1.so.11 (0x8016f1000) libwind.so.11 => /usr/lib/libwind.so.11 (0x80198e000) libheimbase.so.11 => /usr/lib/libheimbase.so.11 (0x801bb6000) libroken.so.11 => /usr/lib/libroken.so.11 (0x801dba000) libcrypt.so.5 => /lib/libcrypt.so.5 (0x801fcc000) libpam.so.5 => /usr/lib/libpam.so.5 (0x8021ec000) libthr.so.3 => /lib/libthr.so.3 (0x8023f8000) libc.so.7 => /lib/libc.so.7 (0x80261d000) libheimipcc.so.11 => /usr/lib/private/libheimipcc.so.11 (0x8029c6000) -- Stefan Parvu <sparvu@systemdatarecorder.org> From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 6 11:41:55 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C8A0D3D for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; 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charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p4fddc57a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de User-Agent: KNode/4.14.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 11:48:46 -0000 Polytropon wrote: Greetings and thanks for your answer! > With "glabel label" - you cannot use a UFS label (like for > the partitions shown in your /etc/fstab) because swap does > not have a file system, but you can use gpart to attach a > label to the partition itself. It could be "/dev/label/swap" > (note: not "/dev/ufs/swap" for mentioned reasons). Thanks for the info and the link! I had figured out why it didn't work the way I tried it - as you stated, swap is not a file system in the sense of UFS. What I hadn't figured out, was which tool I could use. :-) Afer reading your post I tried this: glabel label -v swap /dev/ada0s3b The answer I got was "done". However, there is no new device under /dev/label/ - in fact, the directory /dev/label/ doesn't exist. According to the manpage of glabel, the required kernel module should be loaded automatically - if not loaded anyway - and thus the device should be created. Where did I go wrong? Best regards, Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 6 12:11:17 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6AD3932 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 12:11:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3CE6A55 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 12:11:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org>) id 1XxECh-0007iY-2D for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 13:11:15 +0100 Received: from p4fddc57a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([79.221.197.122]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 13:11:15 +0100 Received: from christian.baer by p4fddc57a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 13:11:15 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Baer <christian.baer@uni-dortmund.de> Subject: getting rid of a zpool Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 13:11:01 +0100 Lines: 37 Message-ID: <m5urol$btp$1@ger.gmane.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p4fddc57a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de User-Agent: KNode/4.14.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 12:11:18 -0000 Hello again! As you might have guessed, I am walking a lot of new paths (at least they are new to me) and I hope you can bear with me when I ask my questions! This is what I did (short version, left some options out): gpart create -s GPT gpart add -l home2 -t freebsd-zfs geli init /dev/gpt/home2 geli attach /dev/gpt/home2 zpool create /dev/gpt/home2.eli Everything worked fine until then. That es when I screw up. :-) I noticed that I had forgotten to set two options for geli and wanted to change that. So I did this: umount /dev/gpt/home2.eli geli detach /dev/gpt/home2.eli geli init /dev/gpt/home2.eli As it seems, that was being very inconsiderate to zfs because it still thinks there is a pool out there - which is broken. I somehow cannot get rid of it: root@falbala:/dev # zpool list NAME SIZE ALLOC FREE FRAG EXPANDSZ CAP DEDUP HEALTH ALTROOT home2 928G 252K 928G 0% - 0% 1.00x UNAVAIL - root@falbala:/dev # zpool destroy home2 cannot open 'home2': pool I/O is currently suspended The -f flag doesn't help btw. Is there some way to get rid of this zpool entry and start from scratch? 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[188.220.129.154]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id cz3sm48575423wjb.23.2014.12.06.04.43.33 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 06 Dec 2014 04:43:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 12:43:31 +0000 From: RW <rwmaillists@googlemail.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mounting swap without device name Message-ID: <20141206124331.34877371@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <m5uqe9$opl$1@ger.gmane.org> References: <m5tgcq$f9i$1@ger.gmane.org> <20141206010235.331c3212.freebsd@edvax.de> <m5uqe9$opl$1@ger.gmane.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 12:43:36 -0000 On Sat, 06 Dec 2014 12:48:24 +0100 Christian Baer wrote: > Afer reading your post I tried this: > > glabel label -v swap /dev/ada0s3b > > The answer I got was "done". However, there is no new device under > /dev/label/ It wont show up if the the partition is in use. Try a swapoff -a, or remove the existing fstab swap entry and reboot. 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charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p4fddc57a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de User-Agent: KNode/4.14.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 14:15:06 -0000 RW wrote: > It wont show up if the the partition is in use. Try a swapoff -a, or > remove the existing fstab swap entry and reboot. That was pretty much what I had overlooked. Thanks mate! Regards, Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 6 14:42:16 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77FFBD56; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 14:42:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2FB6A65; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 14:42:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id sB6Eg5bR023209; Sun, 7 Dec 2014 01:42:05 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 01:42:05 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith <smithi@nimnet.asn.au> To: Matthew Seaman <matthew@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: Problem with posting to questions In-Reply-To: <mailman.77.1417694401.32812.freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20141207012706.N52102@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <mailman.77.1417694401.32812.freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, Ernie Luzar <luzar722@gmail.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 14:42:16 -0000 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 548, Issue 4, Message: 13 On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 11:51:28 +0000 Matthew Seaman <matthew@FreeBSD.org> wrote: > On 2014/12/04 11:29, Ernie Luzar wrote: > > From what I am receiving it seems I am getting all the questions traffic > > but not any posts I make. > > It's like my email address is being ignored by this list. > > I do get replies to my posts, but never get the original post. > > How do I get this fixed? > > Go to http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions and log > into your account there. Find the entry for 'Mail Delivery' and make > sure 'enabled' is checked. True, but the third option below that which Ernie may find disabled is: Receive your own posts to the list? And below that, one might also enable (for a while, for confirmation): Receive acknowledgement mail when you send mail to the list? cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 6 17:14:56 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 58DABA80 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 17:14:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.parts-unknown.org (mail.parts-unknown.org [IPv6:2001:470:67:119::4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 341A89FC for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 17:14:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.parts-unknown.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E35F16D86B20; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 09:14:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 09:14:54 -0800 From: David Benfell <benfell@parts-unknown.org> To: Matthew Seaman <m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk> Subject: Re: switching from ports to pkg -- mailman group mismatch Message-ID: <20141206171454.GA53776@home.parts-unknown.org> References: <20141204164259.GA45875@home.parts-unknown.org> <20141204214125.33860.qmail@ary.lan> <20141205011041.GB11940@home.parts-unknown.org> <5482267B.8020007@bluerosetech.com> <20141205221624.GA41832@home.parts-unknown.org> <54823630.5080406@infracaninophile.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <54823630.5080406@infracaninophile.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 17:14:56 -0000 --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 10:48:16PM +0000, Matthew Seaman wrote: >=20 > Useless use of grep. >=20 > pkg version -Rl'<' >=20 Changed accordingly. 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Thanks for the reply, but that didn't seem to help my problem. I assume that you meant 'pkg check -Ba', but that just checks the database and doesn't regenerate the database. The pkg check did find some missing files, so I forced the reinstall of two packages and that eliminated the warnings from the check. Unfortunately, I still got the same warnings when I tried to upgrade, so I exited out again. > On 12/05/2014 23:58, Carl Johnson wrote: >> I have just tried to run a 'pkg upgrade', but I am getting a lot of 'SAT >> solver' problems. It appeared that it wants to remove the offending >> packages, so I did a '^C' after the first few of them to abort any >> operations. >> >> The program output looked normal at first and downloaded all of the >> packages, but then I started getting errors like these (long lines): >> >> pkg: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver: >> cannot install package p5-Locale-gettext~devel/p5-Locale-gettext, remove it from request? [Y/n]: >> cannot install package xfce~x11-wm/xfce4, remove it from request? [Y/n]: >> pkg: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver: >> cannot install package Thunar~x11-fm/thunar, remove it from request? [Y/n]: >> pkg: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver: >> cannot install package glib~devel/glib20, remove it from request? [Y/n]: >> cannot install package xfce4-desktop~x11-wm/xfce4-desktop, remove it from request? [Y/n]: >> pkg: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver: >> cannot install package libxfce4util~x11/libxfce4util, remove it from request? [Y/n]: >> cannot install package libreoffice~editors/libreoffice, remove it from request? [Y/n]: >> >> I can't figure out if these messages mean that it will not upgrade these >> packages, or if it means that it will remove the packages. I currently >> have pkg version 1.3.8_3 and last upgraded all packages about a month >> ago. I also upgraded the base system from 10.0-RELEASE-p12 to >> 10.1-RELEASE since then, but I didn't think that should effect the >> packages. Does anybody have any suggestions on what these errors mean, >> and what I can do about them? >> >> Thanks for any suggestions. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- Carl Johnson carlj@peak.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 6 20:23:11 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9248C980 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 20:23:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A03CD0D for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 20:23:11 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1417897384; bh=yTkixIHGatKIEDBdLVZNMC8WnFalFUYuYfbqjGo+n5c=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=rYK2UQhv5XRQCpWjU5RwA+DeHKORhfFGpo/xjtngvYRSOzWbOlUIB2XlsCSGvvJzHzcrtAInxqGbPJr9ekrMh3OKjWo8U4X/PTTTKiX1jguoWwe1DJnhvULvq9buF4e/gYM4Hy9H3z1q4H5yftnto+sTYwhqWrxIHU93YMAT6YYkFQS+us0CcuSiOnJMdp+NibAxPmVMlbABtjxiilPvmZkn5XwS8UMjIdDefnBdt56nHU6P+dHPmLNBudmdv/fiYy0jUqi0QdXIuyGcxlPpSV1Acq0V+y2jCkJurBd4XaZzMsGh2pbgO5X72MCSFPKnZMQa6n31wxViZu7S3g3qhA== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=yahoo.com; b=NCgcHVlOIpWVMhOm3qfHg4a2aosGnupT7CSffOUneBTZpe7JmDQcN4HzH+cN80Ebki2nZDWr0l/qdR7gvYw8dmTXJzvPOI5u5ZlNClBRYhtyO2bHyYSQkhPDLdWkkOvMfyzyIq5/VgbQpvic/D/e/OBqvP5/HgLLXvC96s8LWPUe0F+9i9XcN+8U1JPCHwzbGdEFi0tF03qUeGic62t0mRiwx17r3iXk95MyX5hl7/PVcSPWJsD2HTSjDzOl4Qf20aNQKdCy3zlNWO2bcGUinr1sg0tEjlhwBBN2EWEyR0T1Mkai0QYhkTX45ccE+ikEAD0GyctAfRcXhOXiQmNPZg==; Received: from [66.196.81.170] by nm20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2014 20:23:04 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.192] by tm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2014 20:23:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2014 20:23:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 551694.63242.bm@smtp201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 3O50dwQVM1mgLH8NGtK0YxDMguDPRjBvwMb.pX6wbHqy5BA 92tQ_eCY9THCnk8dJUaWLmqsw6S2LImh36H_KH3QmKChMGynxf4TFI6oaD0j TG3GUvfm6tGCDy.bfrD8Jk4pSYs.bVwtRSRtIFjJSwrbqkejd03LcxipLJnT F1vwfUEcd8mZ4urNYgm6xiC2MOEuGnuhSIxuIcv5_HGj1DDrCAKOwrQpYu6a gsdtlXJOpn3sDNA.fnIX.eIkgsHk9aMW4doFg8mxqTaads_uh3sU9UiApwfk rr2fT.vszH2OzzYt4b.dBrtMArWwAhbsvxaXOCJ6fVp8PRIHcC0SOihRPnjV xA9.Vwk5L5O194rk4guHrbTTSGJRz_yWBZe13mm_aZ35r4DmshJa2pvsX44u pVPreNNSeABp0mqA.TXt.pH5PkW4_rbL45RKbD65l3vEp_t2Kv9_Qt3Oh_Di cX0LwX5TtDH6D5.yqmbNrSN_Ax1KexvGZpl6sxUAKjvjPSnIrZUdN57SXJPN t28dmdTauOW2aXLB.YRw8MjxoCGDB54Q- X-Yahoo-SMTP: h3Xqg6.swBC0yI913RMMwp94grO_cg-- Message-ID: <548365A7.4070306@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 15:23:03 -0500 From: Paul Pathiakis <pathiaki2@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pgk upgrade solver problems References: <87wq65v0gx.fsf@elk.localnet> <5482A11B.3030600@yahoo.com> <87ppbwvcfu.fsf@elk.localnet> In-Reply-To: <87ppbwvcfu.fsf@elk.localnet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 20:23:11 -0000 I was hoping that it would clear it all like it did on one of my machines. However, on the other.... well, I deinstalled all the questionable packages and reinstalled them. I believe it's a problem with pkg, as the other machine was PCBSD. Let me check the thread.... Ok... found it. It was between myself and another guy. pkg upgrade -f Let me know. Remember, it's the *BSD community, everyone is here to help. P. It did clean up a lot at that point, but there were still 1 or 2. On 12/06/2014 13:51, Carl Johnson wrote: > Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> > writes: > >> Carl, >> >> I had something like this and decided to regen the pkg database. >> >> pkg -Ba (I think) >> >> It cleared most of this up. > Thanks for the reply, but that didn't seem to help my problem. I assume > that you meant 'pkg check -Ba', but that just checks the database and > doesn't regenerate the database. The pkg check did find some missing > files, so I forced the reinstall of two packages and that eliminated the > warnings from the check. Unfortunately, I still got the same warnings > when I tried to upgrade, so I exited out again. > >> On 12/05/2014 23:58, Carl Johnson wrote: >>> I have just tried to run a 'pkg upgrade', but I am getting a lot of 'SAT >>> solver' problems. It appeared that it wants to remove the offending >>> packages, so I did a '^C' after the first few of them to abort any >>> operations. >>> >>> The program output looked normal at first and downloaded all of the >>> packages, but then I started getting errors like these (long lines): >>> >>> pkg: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver: >>> cannot install package p5-Locale-gettext~devel/p5-Locale-gettext, remove it from request? [Y/n]: >>> cannot install package xfce~x11-wm/xfce4, remove it from request? [Y/n]: >>> pkg: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver: >>> cannot install package Thunar~x11-fm/thunar, remove it from request? [Y/n]: >>> pkg: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver: >>> cannot install package glib~devel/glib20, remove it from request? [Y/n]: >>> cannot install package xfce4-desktop~x11-wm/xfce4-desktop, remove it from request? [Y/n]: >>> pkg: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver: >>> cannot install package libxfce4util~x11/libxfce4util, remove it from request? [Y/n]: >>> cannot install package libreoffice~editors/libreoffice, remove it from request? [Y/n]: >>> >>> I can't figure out if these messages mean that it will not upgrade these >>> packages, or if it means that it will remove the packages. I currently >>> have pkg version 1.3.8_3 and last upgraded all packages about a month >>> ago. I also upgraded the base system from 10.0-RELEASE-p12 to >>> 10.1-RELEASE since then, but I didn't think that should effect the >>> packages. Does anybody have any suggestions on what these errors mean, >>> and what I can do about them? >>> >>> Thanks for any suggestions. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 6 21:41:44 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 023CB144 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 21:41:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pd0-f182.google.com (mail-pd0-f182.google.com [209.85.192.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C6FEE65F for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 21:41:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pd0-f182.google.com with SMTP id r10so2825129pdi.13 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 13:41:37 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:references:mail-followup-to:date :in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=4wVshebMp0B/JVMR4J5GR9M4jqmxIbrvAtjxUjezHr4=; b=L1hHhvPKjO7Inmk2NgZZzyADovDkxL4Re+93EnI68viLkVqw9+jTkd6YIxwhVmEzPB PHw4CTzOBXbkDCKP+LBTDY/EBmxZFoZrY40YlXihzrClP5O8lDLD3oJuOooviFg4IMRV J+kx1WrehTabRDAUAAVH5xzCxJIEKWj8Tv7CmpWLAKFBuODelwhwetIV8gbe+fr0DTfC 8vaYcUBV3LOtCfQqIO6xUUri3fzK2JP3I/jxeRJ+Hn+5iaP6ysZmSuBl/3WaS/jrqUCG DYpPWExXQY029S8lhqlZDEiv/AZ+k5Yss8gUoGFf08IgAmH+62Yw8SaevVN3DOLyppAJ SAYQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm6vtbr/rDgVaOklEe9lAErVTa06z07iUcgHIOgEmUL664Rl3Jp6a3FBq4SH/Wj25NOODbk X-Received: by 10.70.59.35 with SMTP id w3mr7786751pdq.104.1417902097714; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 13:41:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from elk.localnet ([2604:8800:100:82aa:6ef0:49ff:fe05:658b]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ug6sm32280346pbc.72.2014.12.06.13.41.36 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 06 Dec 2014 13:41:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from carlj by elk.localnet with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <carlj@peak.org>) id 1XxN6c-0007op-2v for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 13:41:34 -0800 From: Carl Johnson <carlj@peak.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pgk upgrade solver problems References: <87wq65v0gx.fsf@elk.localnet> <5482A11B.3030600@yahoo.com> <87ppbwvcfu.fsf@elk.localnet> <548365A7.4070306@yahoo.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 13:41:34 -0800 In-Reply-To: <548365A7.4070306@yahoo.com> (Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions's message of "Sat, 06 Dec 2014 15:23:03 -0500") Message-ID: <87lhmkv4kx.fsf@elk.localnet> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 21:41:44 -0000 Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> writes: > I was hoping that it would clear it all like it did on one of my machines. > > However, on the other.... well, I deinstalled all the questionable > packages and reinstalled them. I believe it's a problem with pkg, as > the other machine was PCBSD. > > Let me check the thread.... > > Ok... found it. It was between myself and another guy. > > pkg upgrade -f > > Let me know. Remember, it's the *BSD community, everyone is here to help. I was hoping to avoid that, but there are no other suggestions, so I guess I will have to. Thanks for the help. > It did clean up a lot at that point, but there were still 1 or 2. > On 12/06/2014 13:51, Carl Johnson wrote: >> Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> >> writes: >> >>> Carl, >>> >>> I had something like this and decided to regen the pkg database. >>> >>> pkg -Ba (I think) >>> >>> It cleared most of this up. >> Thanks for the reply, but that didn't seem to help my problem. I assume >> that you meant 'pkg check -Ba', but that just checks the database and >> doesn't regenerate the database. The pkg check did find some missing >> files, so I forced the reinstall of two packages and that eliminated the >> warnings from the check. Unfortunately, I still got the same warnings >> when I tried to upgrade, so I exited out again. >> >>> On 12/05/2014 23:58, Carl Johnson wrote: >>>> I have just tried to run a 'pkg upgrade', but I am getting a lot of 'SAT >>>> solver' problems. It appeared that it wants to remove the offending >>>> packages, so I did a '^C' after the first few of them to abort any >>>> operations. >>>> >>>> The program output looked normal at first and downloaded all of the >>>> packages, but then I started getting errors like these (long lines): >>>> >>>> pkg: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver: >>>> cannot install package p5-Locale-gettext~devel/p5-Locale-gettext, remove it from request? [Y/n]: >>>> cannot install package xfce~x11-wm/xfce4, remove it from request? [Y/n]: >>>> pkg: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver: >>>> cannot install package Thunar~x11-fm/thunar, remove it from request? [Y/n]: >>>> pkg: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver: >>>> cannot install package glib~devel/glib20, remove it from request? [Y/n]: >>>> cannot install package xfce4-desktop~x11-wm/xfce4-desktop, remove it from request? [Y/n]: >>>> pkg: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver: >>>> cannot install package libxfce4util~x11/libxfce4util, remove it from request? [Y/n]: >>>> cannot install package libreoffice~editors/libreoffice, remove it from request? [Y/n]: >>>> >>>> I can't figure out if these messages mean that it will not upgrade these >>>> packages, or if it means that it will remove the packages. I currently >>>> have pkg version 1.3.8_3 and last upgraded all packages about a month >>>> ago. I also upgraded the base system from 10.0-RELEASE-p12 to >>>> 10.1-RELEASE since then, but I didn't think that should effect the >>>> packages. Does anybody have any suggestions on what these errors mean, >>>> and what I can do about them? >>>> >>>> Thanks for any suggestions. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >>> > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- Carl Johnson carlj@peak.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 6 22:44:02 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9CBFD1E5 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 22:44:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E276BC2 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 22:44:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-18-117.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.18.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07DD53CC07 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 23:43:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id sB6MhwVM010658 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 23:43:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 23:43:58 +0100 From: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> To: FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Dropping audio in ffmpeg conversion Message-Id: <20141206234358.0b17f55f.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 22:44:02 -0000 I'm searching for a convenient way to drop audio from an AVI file (video and audio) upon conversion to MP4. My tool of choice is ffmpeg, which works perfectly fine with the default options: % ffmpeg -i in.avi out.mp4 The quality loss, the "pixelated" and "blocky" output is what I expect, and the result file is small. I just can't find a way to get rid of audio (which I don't need). Reading "man ffmeg" told me about "sinks" which "do nothing", but I'm too stupid to conclude how to use them properly. What I want to have is a converted video with no audio track at all (also smaller file size). Can ffmpeg do this, or do I have to "preprocess" the input file with mencoder somehow? Does anybody know how to proceed? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 6 23:06:34 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2260C5BF for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 23:06:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-f48.google.com (mail-pa0-f48.google.com [209.85.220.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E754FD71 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 23:06:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id rd3so2908326pab.7 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 15:06:32 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:references:mail-followup-to:date :in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=j5C62aqEEaQDuUIdKFc1/f3tsE2vW+39zD9uq3NjQPE=; b=LbA796KRS+WtXO/+2xeRexsCSLsXex7ci6zp1matG9DQkZtm9nF3ckTSxnZsvaxPE8 GIzqZWN9PiZ8EXcn4EE8/G6bR4R4bF73SeA1VnBqR67BNIJtYo/cCM4EB+REcjx05gMV IJe8uxl98MrWg5u/n9G9CEZy95owOFu47djTVHHrhWVYTXmKrt6371WhYH9AOiRxcz/z Fq03yDG1ZcJuXXJaLjHwE/FZQucxbBEGk5Oy7R43v46IU2RUweMRUnkB7TtQkhdUHrVR MROhvNzTEivc+n3IQxJ+muAH3tmyu8/eWU+/cSXM7+5de8nDcA2JCyMcX9/nX3XyNzsA NsmQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQltY7hUSV82+ku+SaqjvswuZmEDw2/2heR54GCd1wnZF7Wa4ZrIiZnn0GzGwW1zvujNNrql X-Received: by 10.70.137.68 with SMTP id qg4mr8151310pdb.150.1417907192362; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 15:06:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from elk.localnet ([2604:8800:100:82aa:6ef0:49ff:fe05:658b]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id j10sm32558458pdr.92.2014.12.06.15.06.30 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 06 Dec 2014 15:06:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from carlj by elk.localnet with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <carlj@peak.org>) id 1XxOQm-0008Ef-HH for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 15:06:28 -0800 From: Carl Johnson <carlj@peak.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pgk upgrade solver problems References: <87wq65v0gx.fsf@elk.localnet> <5482A11B.3030600@yahoo.com> <87ppbwvcfu.fsf@elk.localnet> <548365A7.4070306@yahoo.com> <87lhmkv4kx.fsf@elk.localnet> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 15:06:28 -0800 In-Reply-To: <87lhmkv4kx.fsf@elk.localnet> (Carl Johnson's message of "Sat, 06 Dec 2014 13:41:34 -0800") Message-ID: <87h9x8v0nf.fsf@elk.localnet> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 23:06:34 -0000 Carl Johnson <carlj@peak.org> writes: > Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> > writes: > >> I was hoping that it would clear it all like it did on one of my machines. >> >> However, on the other.... well, I deinstalled all the questionable >> packages and reinstalled them. I believe it's a problem with pkg, as >> the other machine was PCBSD. >> >> Let me check the thread.... >> >> Ok... found it. It was between myself and another guy. >> >> pkg upgrade -f >> >> Let me know. Remember, it's the *BSD community, everyone is here to help. > > I was hoping to avoid that, but there are no other suggestions, so I > guess I will have to. > > Thanks for the help. I ended up just upgrading without the -f and letting it remove all of the packages it wanted to and then adding them back in. It was about 30 packages, which wasn't too bad. >> It did clean up a lot at that point, but there were still 1 or 2. >> On 12/06/2014 13:51, Carl Johnson wrote: >>> Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> >>> writes: >>> >>>> Carl, >>>> >>>> I had something like this and decided to regen the pkg database. >>>> >>>> pkg -Ba (I think) >>>> >>>> It cleared most of this up. >>> Thanks for the reply, but that didn't seem to help my problem. I assume >>> that you meant 'pkg check -Ba', but that just checks the database and >>> doesn't regenerate the database. The pkg check did find some missing >>> files, so I forced the reinstall of two packages and that eliminated the >>> warnings from the check. Unfortunately, I still got the same warnings >>> when I tried to upgrade, so I exited out again. >>> >>>> On 12/05/2014 23:58, Carl Johnson wrote: >>>>> I have just tried to run a 'pkg upgrade', but I am getting a lot of 'SAT >>>>> solver' problems. It appeared that it wants to remove the offending >>>>> packages, so I did a '^C' after the first few of them to abort any >>>>> operations. >>>>> >>>>> The program output looked normal at first and downloaded all of the >>>>> packages, but then I started getting errors like these (long lines): >>>>> >>>>> pkg: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver: >>>>> cannot install package p5-Locale-gettext~devel/p5-Locale-gettext, remove it from request? [Y/n]: >>>>> cannot install package xfce~x11-wm/xfce4, remove it from request? [Y/n]: >>>>> pkg: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver: >>>>> cannot install package Thunar~x11-fm/thunar, remove it from request? [Y/n]: >>>>> pkg: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver: >>>>> cannot install package glib~devel/glib20, remove it from request? [Y/n]: >>>>> cannot install package xfce4-desktop~x11-wm/xfce4-desktop, remove it from request? [Y/n]: >>>>> pkg: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver: >>>>> cannot install package libxfce4util~x11/libxfce4util, remove it from request? [Y/n]: >>>>> cannot install package libreoffice~editors/libreoffice, remove it from request? [Y/n]: >>>>> >>>>> I can't figure out if these messages mean that it will not upgrade these >>>>> packages, or if it means that it will remove the packages. I currently >>>>> have pkg version 1.3.8_3 and last upgraded all packages about a month >>>>> ago. I also upgraded the base system from 10.0-RELEASE-p12 to >>>>> 10.1-RELEASE since then, but I didn't think that should effect the >>>>> packages. Does anybody have any suggestions on what these errors mean, >>>>> and what I can do about them? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for any suggestions. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>> >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> -- Carl Johnson carlj@peak.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 6 23:17:27 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DDEF56E1 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 23:17:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-x22d.google.com (mail-la0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E7C1E63 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 23:17:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f45.google.com with SMTP id gq15so2388408lab.18 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 15:17:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=IHuNDKXqlrSHW/yJbl+ZrDpY0ZbCxxSpAO1d7GSA5RI=; b=jSEqu3yrOM8MLGS+h11k32igwrQhqTlhhlBvayz4rm7ch96t7AS8BtvaUik1Ar8dOZ wSPqZEy2dyu6pBc84ck1JT4VKjQskzQZuMXMxHKLjyB1zzLBhWJ5znzxHZaCrvgoTJHE kh+Xpuc8o2RVgjGaTGu+znCtZHIpA8JQpXl1378jztTSPtn32koXYJYdhrqyh2//IXN3 MKYeCOqBmf7N371Dp7QWe92hstLH2ly3POUztUzstWGs41Z3R7Td+lYskb2Ir1syOa4Q BptKreR5wlJ6tpi2DbGerIfnTX5D5Mhp1XWEm35gH2l9s0TwrRPQKcHeKXCTW7od8G2b 1ehw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.219.227 with SMTP id pr3mr9278744lbc.63.1417907845306; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 15:17:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.215.212 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 15:17:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20141206234358.0b17f55f.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20141206234358.0b17f55f.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 15:17:25 -0800 Message-ID: <CAFuo_fxB6Pd1bw5rxakH6SeV=CC7ZaUyQn2dEb=bPH1v4Som8w@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Dropping audio in ffmpeg conversion From: Waitman Gobble <gobble.wa@gmail.com> To: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 23:17:28 -0000 On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> wrote: > I'm searching for a convenient way to drop audio from > an AVI file (video and audio) upon conversion to MP4. > My tool of choice is ffmpeg, which works perfectly fine > with the default options: > > % ffmpeg -i in.avi out.mp4 > > The quality loss, the "pixelated" and "blocky" output > is what I expect, and the result file is small. I just > can't find a way to get rid of audio (which I don't > need). Reading "man ffmeg" told me about "sinks" which > "do nothing", but I'm too stupid to conclude how to use > them properly. What I want to have is a converted video > with no audio track at all (also smaller file size). > > Can ffmpeg do this, or do I have to "preprocess" the > input file with mencoder somehow? > > Does anybody know how to proceed? > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I think it's -an switch. -- Waitman Gobble Los Altos California USA 510-830-7975 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 6 23:59:30 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8CE26B8D for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 23:59:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 579C21DC for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 23:59:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-19-42.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.19.42]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id sB6NxNum029114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 17:59:23 -0600 Message-ID: <548399D1.8070405@hiwaay.net> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 18:05:37 -0600 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" <wam@hiwaay.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Dropping audio in ffmpeg conversion References: <20141206234358.0b17f55f.freebsd@edvax.de> <CAFuo_fxB6Pd1bw5rxakH6SeV=CC7ZaUyQn2dEb=bPH1v4Som8w@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAFuo_fxB6Pd1bw5rxakH6SeV=CC7ZaUyQn2dEb=bPH1v4Som8w@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 23:59:30 -0000 On 12/06/14 17:17, Waitman Gobble wrote: > On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> wrote: > >> I'm searching for a convenient way to drop audio from >> an AVI file (video and audio) upon conversion to MP4. >> My tool of choice is ffmpeg, which works perfectly fine >> with the default options: >> >> % ffmpeg -i in.avi out.mp4 >> >> The quality loss, the "pixelated" and "blocky" output >> is what I expect, and the result file is small. I just >> can't find a way to get rid of audio (which I don't >> need). Reading "man ffmeg" told me about "sinks" which >> "do nothing", but I'm too stupid to conclude how to use >> them properly. What I want to have is a converted video >> with no audio track at all (also smaller file size). >> >> Can ffmpeg do this, or do I have to "preprocess" the >> input file with mencoder somehow? >> >> Does anybody know how to proceed? >> >> >> >> -- >> Polytropon >> Magdeburg, Germany >> Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 >> Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > I think it's -an switch. > Out of curiosity from this thread, I decided to install ffmpeg & possibly play around w/ it. Here's the transcript: [root@kabini1, /etc, 12:20:50pm] 332 % pkg install -y ffmpeg Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue... Fetching meta.txz: 100% 968 B 1.0k/s 00:01 Fetching digests.txz: 100% 2 MB 341.9k/s 00:06 Fetching packagesite.txz: 100% 5 MB 354.7k/s 00:15 Removing expired repository entries: 100% Processing new repository entries: 100% FreeBSD repository update completed. 23602 packages processed: 17694 updated, 147 removed and 41 added. Updating FreeBSD_new_xorg repository catalogue... FreeBSD_new_xorg repository is up-to-date. nspluginwrapper-1.4.4_4 is locked and may not be modified The following 15 packages will be affected (of 0 checked): New packages to be INSTALLED: ffmpeg: 2.3.5_3,1 [FreeBSD] linux_base-f10: 10_9 [FreeBSD] linux-f10-xorg-libs: 7.4_1 [FreeBSD] linux-f10-fontconfig: 2.6.0_1 [FreeBSD] linux-f10-expat: 2.0.1_1 [FreeBSD] linux-f10-pango: 1.28.3_1 [FreeBSD] linux-f10-png: 1.2.37_2 [FreeBSD] linux-f10-cairo: 1.8.0_3 [FreeBSD] linux-f10-gtk2: 2.14.7_5 [FreeBSD] linux-f10-tiff: 3.8.2 [FreeBSD] linux-f10-jpeg: 6b [FreeBSD] linux-f10-atk: 1.24.0_1 [FreeBSD] schroedinger: 1.0.11_3 [FreeBSD] libx264: 0.142.2455 [FreeBSD] opencv-core: 2.4.9_1 [FreeBSD] The process will require 209 MB more space. 33 MB to be downloaded. Fetching ffmpeg-2.3.5_3,1.txz: 100% 8 MB 380.5k/s 00:24 Fetching linux_base-f10-10_9.txz: 100% 16 MB 366.0k/s 00:48 Fetching linux-f10-xorg-libs-7.4_1.txz: 100% 1 MB 316.6k/s 00:05 Fetching linux-f10-fontconfig-2.6.0_1.txz: 100% 118 kB 121.1k/s 00:01 Fetching linux-f10-expat-2.0.1_1.txz: 100% 65 kB 67.2k/s 00:01 Fetching linux-f10-pango-1.28.3_1.txz: 100% 274 kB 281.3k/s 00:01 Fetching linux-f10-png-1.2.37_2.txz: 100% 150 kB 154.2k/s 00:01 Fetching linux-f10-cairo-1.8.0_3.txz: 100% 353 kB 361.8k/s 00:01 Fetching linux-f10-gtk2-2.14.7_5.txz: 100% 3 MB 351.0k/s 00:09 Fetching linux-f10-tiff-3.8.2.txz: 100% 241 kB 247.5k/s 00:01 Fetching linux-f10-jpeg-6b.txz: 100% 115 kB 118.1k/s 00:01 Fetching linux-f10-atk-1.24.0_1.txz: 100% 144 kB 148.0k/s 00:01 Fetching schroedinger-1.0.11_3.txz: 100% 396 kB 405.9k/s 00:01 Fetching libx264-0.142.2455.txz: 100% 407 kB 208.4k/s 00:02 Fetching opencv-core-2.4.9_1.txz: 100% 1 MB 401.3k/s 00:04 Checking integrity... done (11 conflicting) Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting) Conflicts with the existing packages have been found. One more solver iteration is needed to resolve them. The following 5 packages will be affected (of 0 checked): Installed packages to be REMOVED: nspluginwrapper-1.4.4_4 New packages to be INSTALLED: schroedinger: 1.0.11_3 [FreeBSD] libx264: 0.142.2455 [FreeBSD] opencv-core: 2.4.9_1 [FreeBSD] ffmpeg: 2.3.5_3,1 [FreeBSD] The process will require 49 MB more space. nspluginwrapper-1.4.4_4 is locked and may not be modified whew !!!! that took (43.233 cpu + 5.569 sys) sec., 2:50.10 elapsed time tot, 28.6% CPU efficiency (207 text, 2549 data, 46500 max) KB, (0+1411) io, 7318 pfs + 0 swaps [root@kabini1, /etc, 6:03:18pm] 333 % in short, it tried to install linux-f10, rather than relying on linux-c6 .... pkg bug ? ffmpeg package bug ? pilot error ? TIA for any clarifications .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr.