From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 15:07:45 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@nevdull.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 026E0E8F for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:07:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from allen.schreiber@kruug.org) Received: from relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (relay5-d.mail.gandi.net [IPv6:2001:4b98:c:538::197]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B7E3D74A for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:07:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from allen.schreiber@kruug.org) Received: from mfilter43-d.gandi.net (mfilter43-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.174]) by relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E2D641C587 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 17:07:42 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter43-d.gandi.net Received: from relay5-d.mail.gandi.net ([IPv6:::ffff:217.70.183.197]) by mfilter43-d.gandi.net (mfilter43-d.gandi.net [::ffff:10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KHj6nu9CE6C4 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 17:07:40 +0200 (CEST) X-Originating-IP: 68.117.128.182 Received: from KruugSlack.kruug.net (68-117-128-182.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com [68.117.128.182]) (Authenticated sender: allen.schreiber@kruug.org) by relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8638C41C565 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 17:07:40 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 10:07:35 -0500 From: Allen Schreiber To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Toxic Community Member Message-ID: <20150623150735.GA26808@KruugSlack.kruug.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.23 (2014-03-12) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:07:45 -0000 It appears that there is someone out there set on ruining another person's life while using the FreeBSD name. I would take control of the situation early before Randi does any more damange to the FreeBSD name. Twitter conversation: https://archive.is/1A8SQ IRC chat log: https://archive.is/9KGyX Voat discussion: https://voat.co/v/technology/comments/160580 -- Allen Schreiber [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] From owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Wed Jun 24 12:30:22 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81002915953 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 12:30:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from darkuranium@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-x229.google.com (mail-ob0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C437195F for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 12:30:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from darkuranium@gmail.com) Received: by obbkm3 with SMTP id km3so25626125obb.1 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 05:30:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=N2YFMiODJV3TQCjsKWos4LC/DxiYSDZhR6VXPxh/LRQ=; b=voe5SjluZqIjfY7M16AoBlQ6FqC4fF5X0QG4yoFw4hc1xpbJSY/ySufGWf8lJySb5v /dGo0p/sg6GppgX847k4fwyRTblxVubUM7BQAgvbDyFpX11sJalC4dZ31PWxPSXZq9kc t5scp1HDzTqbuuZInllQMoC6G630IBqFD562vps9hY+I6BRjjly1jyaJiRiJvDDgtAj7 rWahKtauQv4Fqig9aCghJc+ETs6xBC20cPfk2Wj4fyLOTR8ZKDdh9eW0PwGrY0KJ9HSx 65JtnFLXmL0PaNE6bCEvn5VtKqtUYqz59h3WSOKTnt6hLOqAXzjlryzZQkWphJHQS8Q8 SXsg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.104.211 with SMTP id o80mr32522533oik.19.1435149021590; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 05:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.151.7 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 05:30:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20150623150735.GA26808@KruugSlack.kruug.net> References: <20150623150735.GA26808@KruugSlack.kruug.net> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 14:30:21 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Toxic Community Member From: =?UTF-8?B?VGltIMSMYXM=?= To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 12:30:22 -0000 I didn't know the context at first, so I looked around and ... damn. First things first: I STRONGLY agree with Allen Schreiber right here. Someone really needs to step in and --- at the very least --- disassociate her from FreeBSD. I think her association, combined with her actions, are toxic to the community (doubly so for outside viwers, many of which might see her as a face of FreeBSD, because of the username... E.g.: https://voat.co/v/technology/comments/160580/425056). I think the toxicity is scaring people away, and something should be done ASAP. This applies especially to people who are considering trying out FreeBSD, but will now rather avoid it entirely (as opposed to current users, who *know* the community isn't toxic, in general). Remember that both her username, and her statements, strongly imply that she is strongly connected to the FreeBSD Foundation (and/or community). On top of all this, the initial point of congestion is completely unrelated to FreeBSD, as well. I think this comment sums it up rather nicely: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3D9763233 For the record: My association[s] with FreeBSD are as a desktop user, as a sysadmin, and as a port maintainer; I am planning on expanding my direct contributions to other things (more ports, or maybe core devel). Full disclosure: I know xmj (not personally, but via the CopyFree Initiative). I did do my research before passing any judgement on the matter (since I knew nothing about the context at the start). The opinion on my part regarding this matter is final, and clear. - Tim =C4=8Cas From owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Wed Jun 24 14:11:41 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B7A4915AE4 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 14:11:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from slim.berklix.org (slim.berklix.org [94.185.90.68]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B56A919FB for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 14:11:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p5B226C0D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.34.108.13]) (authenticated bits=128) by slim.berklix.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t5OEEaOi086518; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 16:14:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id t5OEBRtt029842; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 16:11:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id t5OEB9aR045010; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 16:11:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Message-Id: <201506241411.t5OEB9aR045010@fire.js.berklix.net> To: =?UTF-8?B?VGltIMSMYXM=?= cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Toxic Community Member From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultants, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Wed, 24 Jun 2015 14:30:21 +0200." Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 16:11:09 +0200 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 14:11:41 -0000 > Remember that both her username, and her statements, strongly imply > that she is strongly connected to the FreeBSD Foundation (and/or > community). If appropriate, refer a troll's URLs to the Foundation, which could sue for defamation or whatever if appropriate. Best not feed a troll with argument, penalise it instead. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Linux Unix C Sys Eng Consultant Munich http://berklix.com Reply after previous text, like a play - Not before, which looses context. Indent previous text with "> " Insert new lines before 80 chars. Send plain text, Not quoted-printable, Not HTML, Not ms.doc, Not base64.