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Best regards, Harry Email: markedit@tom.com From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 24 12:47:59 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 670124BB; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 12:47:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-x235.google.com (mail-la0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0404514E; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 12:47:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by labe2 with SMTP id e2so83046273lab.3; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 05:47:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=565uwVTFgxeSridYSjb0oWSFVtBcCGFO8eQQNF+PswM=; b=YWvGzBhHlGJfAO8WN/mYpGhpU47XbBW+nnBCu5WaP2evkR1VfXeRW8sc/lwVrFrENn AqIRu9+Ht6XU2KxygwFpOvFfDsNJ58HBsdNCmIbUeWZkUHNKtTHmglZ+iTuMVNfoMuzA hQcMdF6yWwu5DU0WU9jwrY/g471OeKW8zRb3p1+bodgpoH34cz+tv8dpAnFK1ULMKf3C G7RIJb9JGB6W/r56ikPzo5AX88aGmvgFUFQqt3Wdny0F8Et8HsmQC9un+Ldp1r3xGO8j UKEKc6gfy6uR0C7KbS0t+qyfZj8ig8j83NbWftqx44cHuM2nWRDEho85FLcxQlJqKRXQ dSUQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.5.225 with SMTP id v1mr3586964lav.76.1427201277103; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 05:47:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.24.161 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 05:47:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 18:17:57 +0530 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Zoned Commands ZBC/ZAC, Shingled SMR drives, ZFS From: Shehbaz Jaffer To: grarpamp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 12:47:59 -0000 Hi, I was wondering what cost advantage do SMR drive provide as compared to normal CMR drive? 8TB SMR drive - $ 260 3TB CMR (Conventional Magnetic Recording drive) - $ 105 Is the 8TB SMR drive that you mentioned in another post on this mailing list host or drive managed? I was curious to know why freeBSD community /others should invest into supporting SMR drive? Is the price predicted to go down further in the future? Is there any other advantage that SMR drive provide that CMR drives dont? Thanks! On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 2:49 AM, grarpamp wrote: > Here is a performance review of the ST8000AS0002 non-SED > "drive managed" model (caveat your actual expected usage). > http://www.storagereview.com/seagate_archive_hdd_review_8tb > You can also find these drives inside the STDT8000100 external > USB unit for a bit more at $300. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-fs@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-fs > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-fs-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Shehbaz Jaffer MTS | Advanced Technology Group | NetApp From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 24 16:39:10 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7D66AD6; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 16:39:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-x22c.google.com (mail-ig0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD19514B; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 16:39:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by igcxg11 with SMTP id xg11so2457566igc.0; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 09:39:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=hi8pnwP+E9NouwOQ7VfOhnIKniyZXAfHati/05gcF2Y=; b=w413WuaYx5zqIZ86zXT21cEW9ohurug1BtD6Js6OHO/MmhkgaMyQ/G7HCrSqfoOkfL vlwQnZCbDvuu+QS76LMnBeMSQwB9jDtEl0QguyOJNYEGECHlowJGTk7M6MqpBst2Vlfi 0drzKChOYM4uYQiCgMfIjoNIts+liZtufvkdQAMc+oe+bU/Rs2613J3FFEmHtv0cjzEJ 6KtYsO1HhJtlATDLO42UrGHD7M/eSV4ajm0SHJ92cFVT2t2cBV6gf/8MXlc2m+ZGGMyb 0eQfx66iGK/jkiWgX6qHDPaqUhAFY4m5Un5lKW33Q1IaVSwjxaQQDiBS7G/MzgZ2n2Sf krjw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.12.150 with SMTP id 22mr7694507iom.71.1427215150085; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 09:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.107.132.85 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 09:39:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 16:39:09 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Zoned Commands ZBC/ZAC, Shingled SMR drives, ZFS From: Tom Evans To: Shehbaz Jaffer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: FreeBSD FS , grarpamp , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 16:39:11 -0000 On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Shehbaz Jaffer wrote: > Hi, > > I was wondering what cost advantage do SMR drive provide as compared to > normal CMR drive? > > 8TB SMR drive - $ 260 > 3TB CMR (Conventional Magnetic Recording drive) - $ 105 > Purchase price is not irrelevant, but the key benefits are increased capacity per disk, and reduced power usage per disk and (multiplied by the increase in capacity) per TB. In other words, they disks consume less power, you need fewer of them, maybe allowing you to run fewer servers. Of course, you also need a mainly read only workload. The RAID rebuild test from the linked review is *scary*. I wouldn't use these in ZFS raidz without plenty of disaster recovery testing - how long does it take to re-silver the pool when you lose a disk and what is the performance characteristics of the pool whilst it is doing so. Cheers Tom From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 24 17:11:02 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D96AFB9A; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 17:11:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.libraryvideo.com (smtp.libraryvideo.com [144.202.216.43]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A0289839; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 17:11:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.libraryvideo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E3722F349; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 13:05:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at libraryvideo.com Received: from smtp.libraryvideo.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.libraryvideo.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id SqYA46JtexQ0; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 13:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heimdall.safarimontage.com (heimdall.safarimontage.com [172.20.10.21]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.libraryvideo.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20EF435F3CB; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 13:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VALKYRIE.lvc.com (172.20.1.74) by heimdall.safarimontage.com (172.20.10.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.0.722.0; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 13:05:44 -0400 Received: from LOKI.lvc.com ([fe80::d5b5:77e5:625d:d205]) by valkyrie.lvc.com ([fe80::716a:53e0:bf7d:632f%10]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 13:05:45 -0400 From: Dale Kline To: 'Tom Evans' , Shehbaz Jaffer Subject: RE: Zoned Commands ZBC/ZAC, Shingled SMR drives, ZFS Thread-Topic: Zoned Commands ZBC/ZAC, Shingled SMR drives, ZFS Thread-Index: AQHQXQo064rMisN8t0yr6P74JAyzDJ0r6nqAgABAmYD//8NzkA== Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 17:05:45 +0000 Message-ID: <02F3A553C174554DA1D5EC7CEE9BDDD7011BC3E42B@loki.lvc.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.10.1.113] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: FreeBSD FS , grarpamp , "freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 17:11:02 -0000 READ THE DOCUMENTATION THOROUGHLY on these SMR drives. There are serious = WRITE restrictions on these drives because of the overlapping (shingled) tr= acks. I have read over several times and am still not sure of all of the c= aveats. As Tom states below, they are to be used mainly in "WRITE ONCE, = READ MANY" environments. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-hardware@fre= ebsd.org] On Behalf Of Tom Evans Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:39 PM To: Shehbaz Jaffer Cc: FreeBSD FS; grarpamp; freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Zoned Commands ZBC/ZAC, Shingled SMR drives, ZFS On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Shehbaz Jaffer wrote: > Hi, > > I was wondering what cost advantage do SMR drive provide as compared=20 > to normal CMR drive? > > 8TB SMR drive - $ 260 > 3TB CMR (Conventional Magnetic Recording drive) - $ 105 > Purchase price is not irrelevant, but the key benefits are increased capaci= ty per disk, and reduced power usage per disk and (multiplied by the increa= se in capacity) per TB. In other words, they disks consume less power, you = need fewer of them, maybe allowing you to run fewer servers. Of course, you also need a mainly read only workload. The RAID rebuild test= from the linked review is *scary*. I wouldn't use these in ZFS raidz witho= ut plenty of disaster recovery testing - how long does it take to re-silver= the pool when you lose a disk and what is the performance characteristics = of the pool whilst it is doing so. Cheers Tom _______________________________________________ freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/= listinfo/freebsd-hardware To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 24 17:49:58 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C383972; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 17:49:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.internetx.com (mx1.internetx.com [62.116.129.39]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51FC7C65; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 17:49:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.internetx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E18E51472008; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 18:42:31 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: InterNetX GmbH amavisd-new at ix-mailer.internetx.de Received: from mx1.internetx.com ([62.116.129.39]) by localhost (ix-mailer.internetx.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5Y+3ZjW-9Z1m; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 18:42:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.100.26] (pizza.internetx.de [62.116.129.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.internetx.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 931E51472001; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 18:42:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <5511A204.7020705@internetx.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 18:42:28 +0100 From: InterNetX - Juergen Gotteswinter Reply-To: jg@internetx.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD FS , "freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Zoned Commands ZBC/ZAC, Shingled SMR drives, ZFS References: <02F3A553C174554DA1D5EC7CEE9BDDD7011BC3E42B@loki.lvc.com> In-Reply-To: <02F3A553C174554DA1D5EC7CEE9BDDD7011BC3E42B@loki.lvc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 17:49:58 -0000 The HGST He8 HDDs completed its rebuild in 19 hours and 46 minutes. The Seagate Archive HDDs completed their rebuild in 57 hours and 13 minutes this is ... a feature. right? Am 24.03.2015 um 18:05 schrieb Dale Kline: > READ THE DOCUMENTATION THOROUGHLY on these SMR drives. There are serious WRITE restrictions on these drives because of the overlapping (shingled) tracks. I have read over several times and am still not sure of all of the caveats. As Tom states below, they are to be used mainly in "WRITE ONCE, READ MANY" environments. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Tom Evans > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:39 PM > To: Shehbaz Jaffer > Cc: FreeBSD FS; grarpamp; freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Zoned Commands ZBC/ZAC, Shingled SMR drives, ZFS > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Shehbaz Jaffer wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I was wondering what cost advantage do SMR drive provide as compared >> to normal CMR drive? >> >> 8TB SMR drive - $ 260 >> 3TB CMR (Conventional Magnetic Recording drive) - $ 105 >> > > Purchase price is not irrelevant, but the key benefits are increased capacity per disk, and reduced power usage per disk and (multiplied by the increase in capacity) per TB. In other words, they disks consume less power, you need fewer of them, maybe allowing you to run fewer servers. > > Of course, you also need a mainly read only workload. The RAID rebuild test from the linked review is *scary*. I wouldn't use these in ZFS raidz without plenty of disaster recovery testing - how long does it take to re-silver the pool when you lose a disk and what is the performance characteristics of the pool whilst it is doing so. > > Cheers > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-fs@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-fs > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-fs-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 24 18:39:55 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB825466; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 18:39:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx2.paymentallianceintl.com (mx2.paymentallianceintl.com [216.26.158.171]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx2.paymentallianceintl.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D92D306; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 18:39:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from PAIMAIL.pai.local (paimail.pai.local [10.10.0.153]) by mx2.paymentallianceintl.com (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPS id t2OIDBCl096129 (version=TLSv1 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Mar 2015 14:13:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mikej@paymentallianceintl.com) Received: from PAIMAILDR.pai.local (10.10.0.152) by PAIMAIL.pai.local (10.10.0.153) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.389.2; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 14:13:11 -0400 Received: from PAIMAIL.pai.local ([::1]) by PAIMAILDR.pai.local ([fe80::35a4:605f:51ed:a2d6%16]) with mapi; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 14:13:11 -0400 From: Michael Jung To: "jg@internetx.com" , FreeBSD FS , "freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org" Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 14:13:10 -0400 Subject: RE: Zoned Commands ZBC/ZAC, Shingled SMR drives, ZFS Thread-Topic: Zoned Commands ZBC/ZAC, Shingled SMR drives, ZFS Thread-Index: AdBmWwGQRs1X7LpzTVmOB7fdF9smMQAAssjw Message-ID: <9C91F97841BC4347910F206618BAA3BB096D453FB6@PAIMAIL.pai.local> References: <02F3A553C174554DA1D5EC7CEE9BDDD7011BC3E42B@loki.lvc.com> <5511A204.7020705@internetx.com> In-Reply-To: <5511A204.7020705@internetx.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 18:39:56 -0000 I understand there to be three different types of SMR drives: Device manage= d, Host aware and Host managed.=20 It is my belief that only 'Device managed' drives are shipping which any file system can use, but the file system has no mechanisms to=20 leverage or control the drives behavior hence they are not good candidates= =20 for any RAID like system. 'host aware' or 'host managed' SMR drives open the real possibilities for u= se under ZFS and other file systems. =20 I found these links of interest. Tim Feldman - Host-Aware SMR - OpenZFS Dev Summit 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Db1yqjV8qemU http://open-zfs.org/w/images/2/2a/Host-Aware_SMR-Tim_Feldman.pdf http://www.snia.org/sites/default/files/Dunn-Feldman_SNIA_Tutorial_Shingled= _Magnetic_Recording-r7_Final.pdf --mikej -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-fs@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-fs@freebsd.org] On= Behalf Of InterNetX - Juergen Gotteswinter Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 1:42 PM To: FreeBSD FS; freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Zoned Commands ZBC/ZAC, Shingled SMR drives, ZFS The HGST He8 HDDs completed its rebuild in 19 hours and 46 minutes. The Seagate Archive HDDs completed their rebuild in 57 hours and 13 minutes this is ... a feature. right? Am 24.03.2015 um 18:05 schrieb Dale Kline: > READ THE DOCUMENTATION THOROUGHLY on these SMR drives. There are seriou= s WRITE restrictions on these drives because of the overlapping (shingled) = tracks. I have read over several times and am still not sure of all of the= caveats. As Tom states below, they are to be used mainly in "WRITE ONCE,= READ MANY" environments. >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-hardware@f= reebsd.org] On Behalf Of Tom Evans > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:39 PM > To: Shehbaz Jaffer > Cc: FreeBSD FS; grarpamp; freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Zoned Commands ZBC/ZAC, Shingled SMR drives, ZFS >=20 > On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Shehbaz Jaffer wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I was wondering what cost advantage do SMR drive provide as compared=20 >> to normal CMR drive? >> >> 8TB SMR drive - $ 260 >> 3TB CMR (Conventional Magnetic Recording drive) - $ 105 >> >=20 > Purchase price is not irrelevant, but the key benefits are increased capa= city per disk, and reduced power usage per disk and (multiplied by the incr= ease in capacity) per TB. In other words, they disks consume less power, yo= u need fewer of them, maybe allowing you to run fewer servers. >=20 > Of course, you also need a mainly read only workload. The RAID rebuild te= st from the linked review is *scary*. I wouldn't use these in ZFS raidz wit= hout plenty of disaster recovery testing - how long does it take to re-silv= er the pool when you lose a disk and what is the performance characteristic= s of the pool whilst it is doing so. >=20 > Cheers >=20 > Tom > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailma= n/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-fs@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-fs > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-fs-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 _______________________________________________ freebsd-fs@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-fs To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-fs-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" =0A= GoPai.com | Facebook.com/PaymentAlliance =20 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may=20 contain information that is privileged, confidential, and=20 exempt from disclosure under applicable law. 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If you have=20 received this transmission in error, please notify us by=20 telephone at (502) 212-4001 or notify us at PAI , Dept. 99,=20 6060 Dutchmans Lane, Suite 320, Louisville, KY 40205 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 24 18:42:57 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E432C5E0; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 18:42:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-x22f.google.com (mail-la0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5FE593E9; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 18:42:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by labto5 with SMTP id to5so1506144lab.0; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 11:42:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=TY0C2Xx0HM1qbvMwUs+jukvesqds5EE0yq931hz4dsQ=; b=LyEfDLNn+Cx96/GF+z9l43w/EtQQRZvPqYlJZ0GVwO88Dz/s7XwfTpN+cIbPGoWOmr RLclw9LOiqrzwX+w5uPnzvSW/z0fy8BXsBzxA7KKUUwKdOCoBPbwWJtZ5vNopmH2KAnU 0FfEhZedZuR5SwKePJxjLQqo2k2DMOS1s/+uaMHsPAjMdaKQi/9/yNimYmRC2MbpYF8x P1Y1bmfz0GMFjyZJoNAtMVyaUI2LbIs/DUpiMlLu+yW4uzQ8Syx7MtjsIzTyvZRyS7tp kU9f2w2tZ0clVrVHyNG9GwfBxtHTb1icOko8wFB4g1fVGO50Zub3aAcaM+9og41gm+1J shUA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.85.10 with SMTP id d10mr2572926lbz.62.1427222575349; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 11:42:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.24.161 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 11:42:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9C91F97841BC4347910F206618BAA3BB096D453FB6@PAIMAIL.pai.local> References: <02F3A553C174554DA1D5EC7CEE9BDDD7011BC3E42B@loki.lvc.com> <5511A204.7020705@internetx.com> <9C91F97841BC4347910F206618BAA3BB096D453FB6@PAIMAIL.pai.local> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 00:12:55 +0530 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Zoned Commands ZBC/ZAC, Shingled SMR drives, ZFS From: Shehbaz Jaffer To: Michael Jung Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: FreeBSD FS , "jg@internetx.com" , "freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 18:42:58 -0000 > 'host aware' or 'host managed' SMR drives open the real possibilities for use under ZFS and other file systems. Agreed. Probably RAID is not the way to go then. In host managed SMR drives one could use other form of resiliency (Erasure Codes) rather than RAID. We do not rebuild the whole disk but probably just a zone of a SMR drive in case of errors. From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 24 21:02:52 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1449724; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 21:02:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gw.catspoiler.org (cl-1657.chi-02.us.sixxs.net [IPv6:2001:4978:f:678::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63F90802; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 21:02:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from FreeBSD.org (mousie.catspoiler.org [192.168.101.2]) by gw.catspoiler.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id t2OL2f3Y044175; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 13:02:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from truckman@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <201503242102.t2OL2f3Y044175@gw.catspoiler.org> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 14:02:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Lewis Subject: Re: Zoned Commands ZBC/ZAC, Shingled SMR drives, ZFS To: jg@internetx.com In-Reply-To: <5511A204.7020705@internetx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 21:02:52 -0000 On 24 Mar, InterNetX - Juergen Gotteswinter wrote: > The HGST He8 HDDs completed its rebuild in 19 hours and 46 minutes. The > Seagate Archive HDDs completed their rebuild in 57 hours and 13 minutes > > this is ... a feature. right? Looks like the HGST He8 drives cost about $600 though ... The He10 is SMR. From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 25 00:44:25 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11216B5C; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 00:44:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-x22b.google.com (mail-ie0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5E45339; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 00:44:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iedm5 with SMTP id m5so11115231ied.3; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 17:44:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+5x6tBqGTk9Aa8uT2m5/GVVzY/BMEHuykpOmTFP9zJM=; b=NcnRFUQYfk+0fwANuWk/JYdLSqQ34+QD1RuI/KJFbeZNur9NUTxJ3ytvAsjaUbH8C7 O+urcFEJFu7DTNz4UlwjIYlJhH/ks78BJdcz9Ly4Hu9caanesJ78nXhKpVa/YjZtE/JV dDkQqCPWNq1u5jbx8zlyRjZy44MML+iL5QvIwqof5oiCgariH+Lzx6+d0Ez3+5AojbMv kH2dP0+FK0vnD4xtbcb9GC1AxiLOI0LXjtX3ThYGRkz9BedkaczhJ7nqvxO1Bs2cz6Hl IaOJBGdrPDCRa2ABTWvqupSOf+5w84lk4/ZQNYHCT4jRUyzTteMMY4kd/+dtIBFpAllX DLJA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.97.41 with SMTP id dx9mr25924934igb.1.1427244264024; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 17:44:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.223.170 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 17:44:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 16:44:23 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Zoned Commands ZBC/ZAC, Shingled SMR drives, ZFS From: Dieter BSD To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 00:44:25 -0000 >> You can also find these drives inside the STDT8000100 external >> USB unit for a bit more at $300. It may or may not be the same. There are stories that it is difficult or impossible to talk directly to the drives in recent USB units without the usb-to-sata bridge. I have yet to find a usb-to-sata bridge that doesn't have problems. > Is the price predicted to go down further in the future? Disk prices were going down nicely until the great flood. Prices took over a year to return to pre-flood levels, and have been dropping *very* slowly since. The M&A activity reduced competition, which doesn't help. Governments can't be bothered to prohibit anticompetitive M&A activity. Increases in capacity per drive have slowed, perhaps due to the same reduction in competition. 3TB drives have been the best value in TB/$ for nearly 4 years. I bought some 3TB drives last month for $84.99 each (with free shipping). At the same TB/$ an 8TB drive should cost $226.64, and a 10TB drive should cost $283.30. The penguins added a new device manipulation library to support ZBC/ZAC. There might be things to learn there (mistakes to avoid?). http://www.zdnet.com/article/hgst-gets-closer-to-shipping-10tb-hdd/ From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 26 00:29:29 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46D868BE for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 00:29:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from p3plsmtps2ded01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtps2ded01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [208.109.80.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C283B54 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 00:29:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ip-97-74-206-199.ip.secureserver.net ([97.74.206.199]) by p3plsmtps2ded01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with : DED : id 80SJ1q0084JfNdM010SJFs; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 17:26:21 -0700 x-originating-ip: 97.74.206.199 x_spam_cmae: v=2.1 cv=asw8CEpV c=1 sm=1 tr=0 p=Qyq-mte_LoAbUcSJcacA:9 a=hf3LEmGaadoyMERt28dxaw==:117 a=TZb1taSUAAAA:8 a=emO1SXQWCLwA:10 a=frRKvz3wlKRjvQXj:21 a=80piiZFSfB75-V1S:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Ge_DQCo1jCgA:10 a=yUolLMpWQOUA:10 a=imI3wZ_A4ySwn_ft2lYA:9 a=IKIoO-ieCDEA:10 Received: by ip-97-74-206-199.ip.secureserver.net (Postfix, from userid 48) id 869D51A5487; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 17:26:17 -0700 (MST) To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Indebted for driving on toll road #0000527632 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 18:26:17 -0600 From: "E-ZPass Manager" Reply-To: "E-ZPass Manager" Message-ID: <12b7343c15c17d9413992d35dee04c0e@ip-97-74-206-199.ip.secureserver.net> X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 00:29:29 -0000 Notice to Appear, You have a debt to pay for using a toll road. You are kindly asked to pay your debt as soon as possible. You can find the invoice is in the attachment. Regards, Dave Cameron, E-ZPass Support. From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 26 11:53:10 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B80B3AC for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 11:53:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.libraryvideo.com (smtp.libraryvideo.com [144.202.216.43]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 45786BA5 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 11:53:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.libraryvideo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A7AE22F51E; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 07:53:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at libraryvideo.com Received: from smtp.libraryvideo.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.libraryvideo.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id gE2WxnA3MWPj; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 07:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heimdall.safarimontage.com (heimdall.safarimontage.com [172.20.10.21]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.libraryvideo.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 584A9340244; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 07:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VALKYRIE.lvc.com (172.20.1.74) by heimdall.safarimontage.com (172.20.10.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.0.722.0; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 07:53:00 -0400 Received: from LOKI.lvc.com ([fe80::d5b5:77e5:625d:d205]) by valkyrie.lvc.com ([fe80::716a:53e0:bf7d:632f%10]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 07:53:01 -0400 From: Dale Kline To: 'E-ZPass Manager' , "hardware@freebsd.org" Subject: RE: Indebted for driving on toll road #0000527632 Thread-Topic: Indebted for driving on toll road #0000527632 Thread-Index: AQHQZ1vvNAXVki1e10a/hproyxlSeJ0up6aQ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 11:53:00 +0000 Message-ID: <02F3A553C174554DA1D5EC7CEE9BDDD7011BC3F898@loki.lvc.com> References: <12b7343c15c17d9413992d35dee04c0e@ip-97-74-206-199.ip.secureserver.net> In-Reply-To: <12b7343c15c17d9413992d35dee04c0e@ip-97-74-206-199.ip.secureserver.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.10.1.113] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 11:53:10 -0000 IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME FILTERING ON THIS SITE. LATELY= , I HAVE GOTTEN SEVERAL MESSAGES SIMILAR TO THIS GARBAGE BELOW. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-hardware@fre= ebsd.org] On Behalf Of E-ZPass Manager Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 8:26 PM To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Indebted for driving on toll road #0000527632 Notice to Appear, You have a debt to pay for using a toll road. You are kindly asked to pay your debt as soon as possible. You can find the invoice is in the attachment. Regards, Dave Cameron, E-ZPass Support. _______________________________________________ freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/= listinfo/freebsd-hardware To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 26 12:33:13 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7805DF7B for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 12:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qg0-x231.google.com (mail-qg0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31D1FFC4 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 12:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qgfa8 with SMTP id a8so88453213qgf.0 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 05:33:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=EFlt4ogSbsesWLjAsqqIJkPXXFuJJu/OQ3nzK29mVio=; b=GHNAq2osVI1Oqgiv/s+YlZ4+N+d7acfJKOPAUjHvUGZuefdx2mQbpkwkcBgE3Z+chd 1vbU4y/au6mYd6V+iji5mPfNKg6P1+LotdoPX3TaLWeU1rqtvpjyquTyloGi17I/hRzk CQvRTeEXgZ90AIOSWnjWLOlrLR/+TeBYaiPvr21qYiiZcfJ4o5fCazs990PPwkTcPLVN PVJleyRygdZHAVlQPyQTm8vTrjCwHvCrMXML0U8f5qGtFYeMqLsUkdVvbXc7flyS4M8f diFHaAkIKKTvh/KbvCyxbpd9twTcma/ACnLIHzU+k3W0z+uapXs6jycWSdDS+x6Uw0c+ HXmg== X-Received: by 10.140.151.21 with SMTP id 21mr18753983qhx.8.1427373191604; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 05:33:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.96.180.225 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 05:32:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <02F3A553C174554DA1D5EC7CEE9BDDD7011BC3F898@loki.lvc.com> References: <12b7343c15c17d9413992d35dee04c0e@ip-97-74-206-199.ip.secureserver.net> <02F3A553C174554DA1D5EC7CEE9BDDD7011BC3F898@loki.lvc.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Andr=C3=A9_Cardoso?= Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 09:32:51 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Indebted for driving on toll road #0000527632 To: Dale Kline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: "hardware@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 12:33:13 -0000 AGREE! 2015-03-26 8:53 GMT-03:00 Dale Kline : > IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME FILTERING ON THIS SITE. > LATELY, I HAVE GOTTEN SEVERAL MESSAGES SIMILAR TO THIS GARBAGE BELOW. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org [mailto: > owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of E-ZPass Manager > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 8:26 PM > To: hardware@freebsd.org > Subject: Indebted for driving on toll road #0000527632 > > Notice to Appear, > > You have a debt to pay for using a toll road. > You are kindly asked to pay your debt as soon as possible. > > You can find the invoice is in the attachment. > > Regards, > Dave Cameron, > E-ZPass Support. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " >