From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Tue Oct 20 21:24:11 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDC8FA1A6AA for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 21:24:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arved@freebsd.org) Received: from gazoz.arved.priv.at (gazoz.arved.priv.at [IPv6:2a02:180:1:1::551f:ba88]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "gazoz.arved.priv.at", Issuer "StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F1461368; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 21:24:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arved@freebsd.org) Received: from elma.local.arved.priv.at (inek.arved.priv.at [78.142.160.182]) (authenticated bits=0) by gazoz.arved.priv.at (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t9KLO0Vg051958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 20 Oct 2015 23:24:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from arved@freebsd.org) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Tilman_Keskin=F6z?= X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5b6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_183A4832-BE48-46B6-954B-7207ACFA6519"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 23:23:48 +0200 Subject: radeon/powerpc32 and xorg-server 1.17 To: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: <6771C4FC-D057-4CF3-9D90-AE34323AB8BC@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 21:24:12 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_183A4832-BE48-46B6-954B-7207ACFA6519 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, With the latest xorg-server update removing xf86-video-ati-ums, there is = now no video driver anymore for radeon-based 32bit powerpcs. Now there are two options: 1. get KMS working on powerpc32 2. Forward port the last ums driver version so that it works with the = current X Server. Has anybody already started one of this tasks? I would be willing to = test patches. Which one looks more likely to get done? --Apple-Mail=_183A4832-BE48-46B6-954B-7207ACFA6519 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJWJrDpAAoJEGy+tutndNKjOHYP/iR6OwSn+Jo5y8fslVqfSB3k bg5Vl8i8gTIsv6EB3yPHeJzghg870Dq84t3yglohA9IGoCpo38ENhphOpUwxcJMm 5iplOczKZRv4Ao/St0I8rOlG1Tfv+WLYoean/Y/BKrzvWllY68B0zFLnIirs4S8g nXmWCtHJ1GrVJlQ4rwi60hUIvodRLAJduZ8xqoOeamUuVAcriTM0oC1sFvwzC/R+ hgwqRFXl/0kyvfvpOsLl+WB/3Zx7D5RpkqnAp7pMkgevV+aZxiv1JnK2npmC/1Yy K6JC7VSKix+ktkyf0dxOvqNcoYWuzLGEqUVs7LmwC8Y0MA49YQQhHubMkrKQer36 V4pGl+CBzaZ+IoYJTGER6EpFC58nxD3h9lS3nAeU2AxZC/kaGLPbMkSfP8y6OMhx b/wSNiUn1q0mhEouXC3AHfhvjJkcv3EemJ88uUrcVSYFdYXGZfsaAoKZs65a+uzK 9+01yMOWKVFyVALPj3h7M/g3Tb0VoRLwHXilKBbPWyFFEV7usYmSts4v6PfKjGHY n9sCYVLKLbGQuq7ByUOz/QNpxFPOhwkflOVBKWfwt0YhIFpSsK1fN2VY31CTclkN PgGrApzJP0GfF6x+hcZJvtOTTNawEjevUpZTmPQc2dq6ILLuoPdkE4mzM2e+dsig DOTi3pACnEXYG5FozBwu =6mSX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_183A4832-BE48-46B6-954B-7207ACFA6519-- From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Tue Oct 20 21:43:34 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CB6EA1AB6B for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 21:43:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rleigh@codelibre.net) Received: from auth.a.painless.aa.net.uk (a.painless.aa.net.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:0:30::51bb:1e33]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBEED1E23 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 21:43:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rleigh@codelibre.net) Received: from 1.9.3.1.f.5.0.e.b.7.6.0.2.b.4.4.d.b.d.d.0.6.8.0.0.b.8.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa ([2001:8b0:860:ddbd:44b2:67b:e05f:1391] helo=ls25531.lan) by a.painless.aa.net.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Zoegp-0004gC-La for freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 22:43:29 +0100 To: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org From: Roger Leigh Subject: Running a PPC system over FireWire from second machine Message-ID: <5626B57E.2030608@codelibre.net> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 22:43:26 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 21:43:34 -0000 I found this https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/target-mode-firewire-but-not-so-specifically.30997/ but it's a few years old and possibly incorrect even then. What I'd like to do is put a FireWire card in my FreeBSD NAS, and then export a ZVOL on a specific FireWire port in target mode so that it can be used as a raw block device on a Mac Mini as its root filesystem. This will have the advantage of being faster than the internal 2.5" IDE HDD and also having the ability to take snapshots and backups from the NAS system. I was curious to know if this was technically possible, and if so if anyone had done this and had success? Is there any limitation on this if so? Are both 400 and 800 ports bidirectional in this manner? I have 400-400 and 400-800 cables, so I could use either on the target (the Mac Mini is 400 only). Before I purchase any hardware, I want to be certain this would work out. Thanks all, Roger From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Wed Oct 21 10:03:25 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D1DA1A32F for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 10:03:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danfe@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206c::16:87]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A8D1CF5; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 10:03:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danfe@freebsd.org) Received: by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1033) id 35D3515F3; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 10:03:25 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 10:03:25 +0000 From: Alexey Dokuchaev To: Tilman Keskin?z Cc: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: radeon/powerpc32 and xorg-server 1.17 Message-ID: <20151021100325.GA61714@FreeBSD.org> References: <6771C4FC-D057-4CF3-9D90-AE34323AB8BC@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6771C4FC-D057-4CF3-9D90-AE34323AB8BC@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 10:03:25 -0000 On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 11:23:48PM +0200, Tilman Keskin?z wrote: > With the latest xorg-server update removing xf86-video-ati-ums, I'm wondering if it was removed because it really does no longer work with new xorg-server, or it was simply deleted because "oh well everyone should be using KMS driver by now" stanza? If you manually revive it with "svn cp", does it still work (with new xorg server)? > there is now no video driver anymore for radeon-based 32bit powerpcs. > > Now there are two options: > > 1. get KMS working on powerpc32 I recall that Justin had some progress [1] here, but apparently it was not commit-ready so it never hit the tree. > 2. Forward port the last ums driver version so that it works with the > current X Server. Ideally both options should be doable. I'm not sure why UMS drivers were deprecated so quickly. :( ./danfe [1] https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ppc/2015-August/007728.html From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Wed Oct 21 10:49:45 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93041A1AAFB for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 10:49:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jau789@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-x22c.google.com (mail-wi0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2AADA15E0; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 10:49:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jau789@gmail.com) Received: by wicfx6 with SMTP id fx6so85072548wic.1; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 03:49:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=5ozTJiidDP0BDE8af940M7dI7y2dAxPxEq12VWRJBHI=; b=ImqYUsw0gi4r+0YTitFx2x+vGIQrLt+tk1FGhDnXJUVw7dVSb4R2nuXD9NFkenS/hg 0ZRBIB9dsqyMRmt/XgWfPi4amkDO+uvw8xyb6iKUC0lf6krb5kHU3dXaIoSFkhRmHWqx eNFXhkacM2WhGbSXESXa0weO5qfvrK828V8Eo5law27mNyih0pUuVGsyDpMKC/+Yngih ycgzrF+bTZEMYjl7ggsMuCd5HnNItavIUn88ndvPE66+RJWeQfJgnvbYEt73WI8H9e8c KfFTMeBaBvwYf8t4Mp7TBcBFjYSX5XgZmAAYADAHdrArY8PVkXTZalPCIm5+SM+gMEHi bLqA== X-Received: by 10.194.178.233 with SMTP id db9mr10787865wjc.18.1445424583118; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 03:49:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.193] (xdsl-205-163.nblnetworks.fi. [83.145.205.163]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z2sm6789134wij.1.2015.10.21.03.49.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 21 Oct 2015 03:49:42 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: radeon/powerpc32 and xorg-server 1.17 From: Jukka Ukkonen X-Mailer: iPad Mail (13A452) In-Reply-To: <20151021100325.GA61714@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 13:49:42 +0300 Cc: Tilman Keskin?z , freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <6771C4FC-D057-4CF3-9D90-AE34323AB8BC@freebsd.org> <20151021100325.GA61714@FreeBSD.org> To: Alexey Dokuchaev X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 10:49:45 -0000 If my memory serves me, radeon kms driver needs 64 bit atomic operations which are not available on 32 bit ppc. --jau Sent from my iPad > On 21 Oct 2015, at 13:03, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > >> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 11:23:48PM +0200, Tilman Keskin?z wrote: >> With the latest xorg-server update removing xf86-video-ati-ums, > > I'm wondering if it was removed because it really does no longer work with > new xorg-server, or it was simply deleted because "oh well everyone should > be using KMS driver by now" stanza? > > If you manually revive it with "svn cp", does it still work (with new xorg > server)? > >> there is now no video driver anymore for radeon-based 32bit powerpcs. >> >> Now there are two options: >> >> 1. get KMS working on powerpc32 > > I recall that Justin had some progress [1] here, but apparently it was not > commit-ready so it never hit the tree. > >> 2. Forward port the last ums driver version so that it works with the >> current X Server. > > Ideally both options should be doable. I'm not sure why UMS drivers were > deprecated so quickly. :( > > ./danfe > > [1] https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ppc/2015-August/007728.html > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ppc > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ppc-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Wed Oct 21 11:07:31 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E97A1A019 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 11:07:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danfe@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206c::16:87]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9764DB5; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 11:07:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danfe@freebsd.org) Received: by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1033) id 964F11764; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 11:07:31 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 11:07:31 +0000 From: Alexey Dokuchaev To: Jukka Ukkonen Cc: Tilman Keskin?z , freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: radeon/powerpc32 and xorg-server 1.17 Message-ID: <20151021110731.GA86034@FreeBSD.org> References: <6771C4FC-D057-4CF3-9D90-AE34323AB8BC@freebsd.org> <20151021100325.GA61714@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 11:07:31 -0000 [ Fixed quoting; please don't top post. ] On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 01:49:42PM +0300, Jukka Ukkonen wrote: > > On 21 Oct 2015, at 13:03, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > > I recall that Justin had some progress [1] here, but apparently it was > > not commit-ready so it never hit the tree. > > > > [1] https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ppc/2015-August/007728.html > > If my memory serves me, radeon kms driver needs 64 bit atomic > operations which are not available on 32 bit ppc. Right; if you'd follow quoted link Justin talks about exactly that. I actually also need 64-bit atomics (for a different project) and did some initial research as well [2], but haven't sat down for a longer time to actually come up with some implementation. ./danfe [2] https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ppc/2015-September/007774.html