From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 15 00:01:54 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F259921 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 00:01:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1on0113.outbound.protection.outlook.com [157.56.110.113]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "MSIT Machine Auth CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0D23921 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 00:01:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.0.21] (73.5.142.244) by BN3PR0301MB0835.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (25.160.154.145) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.81.19; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 00:01:48 +0000 Message-ID: <54DFE1E7.5090205@my.hennepintech.edu> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 18:01:43 -0600 From: Andrew Berg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Subject: Re: Ports/Packages and release engineering References: <54DF89BE.6010005@complete.org> <54DFA962.2010509@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [73.5.142.244] X-ClientProxiedBy: CY1PR0601CA0007.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (25.160.162.17) To BN3PR0301MB0835.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (25.160.154.145) Authentication-Results: freebsd.org; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none; X-Microsoft-Antispam: UriScan:; X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:BN3PR0301MB0835; X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-Test: UriScan:; X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-CFA-Test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(601004); SRVR:BN3PR0301MB0835; X-Forefront-PRVS: 0488C54DB4 X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(6009001)(6049001)(24454002)(110136001)(50466002)(65816999)(83506001)(80316001)(46102003)(107886001)(2351001)(65806001)(89122001)(42186005)(23676002)(64126003)(92566002)(54356999)(65956001)(66066001)(76176999)(87976001)(33656002)(88552001)(86362001)(59896002)(122386002)(77096005)(40100003)(450100001)(47776003)(87266999)(77156002)(2950100001)(50986999)(62966003)(75432002)(89472002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BN3PR0301MB0835; H:[10.0.0.21]; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:nov; PTR:InfoNoRecords; LANG:en; X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-CFA-Test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:BN3PR0301MB0835; X-OriginatorOrg: my.hennepintech.edu X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2015 00:01:48.7584 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BN3PR0301MB0835 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 00:01:54 -0000 On 2015.02.14 17:20, John Goerzen wrote: > I actually expect to use pkg(8) rather than ports almost all of the time. > So it sounds nice that pkg(8) can do this, but I am confused about the > relation between ports and pkg. I see some rather contradictory information > out there, and wonder if this changed in FreeBSD 9 or 10? I see some people > saying that a person always needs to tell the ports system to register with > pkg, but then I don't see anything in the Handbook saying to do that these days. Ports tools create binary packages, and pkg manages them. This is a source of confusion for many, since historically, official binary packages were not updated regularly, and so trying to mix packages made from a new ports tree and official binary packages that could be months old was a source of pain, and therefore people would think of them as separate things. There is still some pain when something major in the ports tree has changed in the last week, but it is much less since a lot less will change in the course a week vs. collectively over many months. If you have many machines that you want to keep updated, I recommend either using the official binary package repo or creating and maintaining your own with Poudriere and using that. > Ah. OK. So is there really that much churn in base system libraries? It's > not necessarily an issue for me, but just a surprise; I'm used to systems > where most binaries that are a decade old still work fine on modern systems. There is compatibility stuff in the kernel and the misc/compat ports that contain libraries for old binaries. You can also install a full userland of an older release in a jail. Ancient versions can be painful, but possible (a 4.x jail on a 10.x host has been done!), while newer versions are mostly trivial. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 15 00:12:52 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C4519AAC for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 00:12:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75518A00 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 00:12:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t1F0CdcW098154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 14 Feb 2015 17:12:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id t1F0CdIS098151; Sat, 14 Feb 2015 17:12:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 17:12:39 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: John Goerzen Subject: Re: Ports/Packages and release engineering In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <54DF89BE.6010005@complete.org> <54DFA962.2010509@infracaninophile.co.uk> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 14 Feb 2015 17:12:39 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 00:12:52 -0000 On Sat, 14 Feb 2015, John Goerzen wrote: > I actually expect to use pkg(8) rather than ports almost all of the time. > So it sounds nice that pkg(8) can do this, but I am confused about the > relation between ports and pkg. Building a port produces a package, or prebuilt binary packages can be automatically downloaded and installed. The pkg system handles and tracks this. > I see some rather contradictory information out there, and wonder if > this changed in FreeBSD 9 or 10? I see some people saying that a > person always needs to tell the ports system to register with pkg, but > then I don't see anything in the Handbook saying to do that these > days. This might help: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/pkg.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 15 03:53:52 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A05AC15 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 03:53:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from glockenspiel.complete.org (glockenspiel.complete.org [192.99.4.47]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63AF6E9 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 03:53:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [63.245.179.205] (helo=hephaestus.lan.complete.org) by glockenspiel.complete.org with esmtps (with TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (TLS peer CN christoph.complete.org, certificate verified) (Exim 4.80) id 1YMqHG-0002vg-06 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 14 Feb 2015 21:53:50 -0600 Received: from [::1] by hephaestus.lan.complete.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1YMqHC-00037H-P7 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 14 Feb 2015 21:53:46 -0600 Message-ID: <54E01849.3020500@complete.org> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 21:53:45 -0600 From: John Goerzen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: 10.1 ZFS - why canmount=off for /usr and /var by default? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 03:53:52 -0000 So this is a fresh 10.1-RELEASE install, with the guided/automatic ZFS setup on a single hard disk. Couldn't be simpler, right? Except something is odd with /usr and /var. Consider: # zfs list | egrep 'NAME|usr' NAME USED AVAIL REFER MOUNTPOINT zroot/usr 607M 216G 96K /usr zroot/usr/home 180K 216G 180K /usr/home zroot/usr/ports 607M 216G 607M /usr/ports zroot/usr/src 96K 216G 96K /usr/src Now, I've installed 5GB of packages into /usr/local. There's no way /usr is only using 607M. So I thought, hmm, maybe they're not being mounted. And indeed: # zfs list -o name,mountpoint,canmount,mounted | egrep 'NAME|no' NAME MOUNTPOINT CANMOUNT MOUNTED zroot none on no zroot/ROOT none on no zroot/usr /usr off no zroot/var /var off no And, of course: # df -h /usr/local Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on zroot/ROOT/default 220G 4.5G 216G 2% / (I have compress=3Dlz4 set for everything) So, the next question is: why? Why is there a /usr and a /var, which show up in zfs list with a mountpoint of /usr and /var, but which aren't being mounted? Why is canmount=3Doff for these? And if canmount=3Doff, = why give it a mountpoint which looks rather misleading in a zfs list? I promise to stop asking questions soon! :-) Thanks, John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 15 05:58:10 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 95C8D84A for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 05:58:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-x233.google.com (mail-wi0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 25F41C87 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 05:58:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f179.google.com with SMTP id hi2so19974356wib.0 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2015 21:58:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=fBeaYB3itooT4azacm5z2lOWSbcTgNrHoNRR+KzcUWc=; b=mN1TgKcQr9MJPcUt9zu4Ol8CdvBXYVjDjieuwmoP5fFwyNlkGMhhCuIFnFeDwDN59Y Z+1IRoWgI+dpDIwAUgAQWTIOFg50/xKDCaHRO5boC9/H/aH26dffqduQ7PvdAwGiTige RA8JBsGT7xRV+VU7aZ+Fyt0G4yXhjn05AnkxrhuzIhAIdQB1ras+wpq/CpRFQinKMoby wDzmegWLBDOEZCyDeU0Cj8ehFY1h7fDs8EYsFCrYRp+bspNQvE4oj+TBkZ+L/YTV/i1s BLMnuhO3gPEOTq3LgQVolVoZDV7r592vMnTD4Tr8UeoTFoH13QirhYt1emJWv6IO5mdT RCJg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.237.34 with SMTP id uz2mr35745996wjc.157.1423979888539; Sat, 14 Feb 2015 21:58:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.241.132 with HTTP; Sat, 14 Feb 2015 21:58:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <54E01849.3020500@complete.org> References: <54E01849.3020500@complete.org> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:58:08 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 10.1 ZFS - why canmount=off for /usr and /var by default? From: Ben Woods To: John Goerzen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 05:58:10 -0000 To quote Allan Jude when I posed this question to him: "The /usr dataset has 'canmount' set to off. It only exists so that other datasets can be created under it. The idea here is that you want /usr/bin and /usr/local etc to be included in the / dataset, as that is the one used for boot environments. To use boot environments, you need to install the tool from the ports tree: sysutils/beadm-devel We'll discuss this more on the [bsdnow.tv] show, and maybe do a tutorial sometime soonish." In summary, the /usr and /var datasets will not actually have any files stored in them. Any sub-datasets that ARE mounted will have the files in them, and other files that sit under /usr or /var which are not in a sub-dataset will actually be stored in the zroot/ROOT/default dataset (and available for boot environments). -- From: Benjamin Woods woodsb02@gmail.com On 15 February 2015 at 11:53, John Goerzen wrote: > > So this is a fresh 10.1-RELEASE install, with the guided/automatic ZFS > setup on a single hard disk. Couldn't be simpler, right? Except > something is odd with /usr and /var. Consider: > > # zfs list | egrep 'NAME|usr' > NAME USED AVAIL REFER MOUNTPOINT > zroot/usr 607M 216G 96K /usr > zroot/usr/home 180K 216G 180K /usr/home > zroot/usr/ports 607M 216G 607M /usr/ports > zroot/usr/src 96K 216G 96K /usr/src > > Now, I've installed 5GB of packages into /usr/local. There's no way > /usr is only using 607M. So I thought, hmm, maybe they're not being > mounted. And indeed: > > # zfs list -o name,mountpoint,canmount,mounted | egrep 'NAME|no' > NAME MOUNTPOINT CANMOUNT MOUNTED > zroot none on no > zroot/ROOT none on no > zroot/usr /usr off no > zroot/var /var off no > > And, of course: > > # df -h /usr/local > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > zroot/ROOT/default 220G 4.5G 216G 2% / > > (I have compress=lz4 set for everything) > > So, the next question is: why? Why is there a /usr and a /var, which > show up in zfs list with a mountpoint of /usr and /var, but which aren't > being mounted? Why is canmount=off for these? And if canmount=off, why > give it a mountpoint which looks rather misleading in a zfs list? > > I promise to stop asking questions soon! :-) > > Thanks, > > John > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 15 09:27:16 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A391130B for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 09:27:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (pb-sasl1.int.icgroup.com [208.72.237.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C2B1FFD for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 09:27:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-sasl1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5901330007; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 04:27:13 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=subject :mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s=sasl; bh= pfQ+XyB3nsZoZKC7Qj9XbEI7XSY=; b=Xt6qH8gwZr5yf5u18NTajI6c8ahPgHtB bk034fPp6D+CyHNcJRxPEspgkRu/pLY7iHaIyEL1pg0rC2E0wrsV2UYmopsVnxo+ EBXc2FIgZrm2sds+UQ17GWlmCvxK6YHlNG8GTWJ6Cl8YDjywuH3EV2agqkMSCCvc LHO/Y5c4S3Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=subject :mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; q=dns; s= sasl; b=GxQVsgkiD7HqFJf9fJiS/DTXwKxgFdssuh179IwXC9s0oxrBrLIbd6Gr QEF0kMx46gNRywgE800E/7sTYmD9gYzGAUtiiE+jddrt9BkuTB3ikmxthSriPE/X 4wP/09pEhO4kAhxaQ4GT06Wufw6hMge4bT1SRdB0K6tzha/FiQc= Received: from pb-sasl1.int.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-sasl1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 511F530006; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 04:27:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from almini.rcthomas.org (unknown [208.53.120.31]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-sasl1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4FE9239000; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 04:27:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: How to adjust clock frequency in FreeBSD 10.1 ? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Rick Thomas In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 01:27:09 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Adam Vande More X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-Pobox-Relay-ID: D2C791EE-B4F4-11E4-B91C-8FDD009B7A5A-02150157!pb-sasl1.pobox.com Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 09:27:16 -0000 On Feb 14, 2015, at 4:50 AM, Adam Vande More = wrote: > Is there some other way to set the frequency? >>=20 >=20 > Sure, but I thought keeping accurate time was the goal? Indeed. And the machine is capable of doing that except for the problem = that the actual frequency is different from the frequency that the = kernel is assuming. Based on my experience with this machine using Linux, the actual = frequency is quite stable =97 certainly within the capability of ntp to = stabilize and maintain offsets of 10ms or less for extended periods. = But for some reason the actual frequency is about a percent or two off = from the frequency that the kernel wants to use. Under Linux, I can = tune that with adjtimex(8) setting TICK to an appropriate value. My = quest is to find out how to accomplish the same under FreeBSD. Your answer implies that there is a way to tune the frequency, but I = haven=92t found it yet. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks! Rick= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 15 13:52:38 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C85111FD for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:52:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7FCCEA8F for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:52:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YMzca-0006rw-2I for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 14:52:28 +0100 Received: from 63-245-179-205.ip.mtelco.net ([63-245-179-205.ip.mtelco.net]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 14:52:28 +0100 Received: from jgoerzen by 63-245-179-205.ip.mtelco.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 14:52:28 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: John Goerzen Subject: Re: 10.1 ZFS - why canmount=off for /usr and /var by default? Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:52:22 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <54E01849.3020500@complete.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 63.245.179.205 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/31.0 Iceweasel/31.4.0) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:52:38 -0000 Ben Woods gmail.com> writes: > > To quote Allan Jude when I posed this question to him: > > "The /usr dataset has 'canmount' set to off. It only exists so that other > datasets can be created under it. That makes sense. But it is misleading to have the mountpoint set to /usr and /var, isn't it? In a zfs list, it looks as if it's being used for /usr and /var, when really as you say it's a container. I wonder - would there be a place I could submit a bug report to suggest that the mountpoint property be inherited at the default rather than set for these two filesystems? > To use boot environments, you need to install the tool from the ports tree: > sysutils/beadm-devel Interesting. That looks quite nice. I need to read up a bit more on it, clearly, since it seems to be more than just a zfs clone and zpool set bootfs that I was expecting. Thanks, John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 15 13:59:28 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07C8B41A for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:59:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-f47.google.com (mail-la0-f47.google.com [209.85.215.47]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8317FACC for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:59:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by labms9 with SMTP id ms9so18126777lab.10 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 05:59:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YPVZhJozGAYqDLNNqw4YHGq8sKPCCQo/nuArMTADh6M=; b=E1nO+ZQL4XBXSd/nVgYHIz8YbZ7P889JgraiUq2XMQ1kLQgaIs40ptH++leLNZSqDs 5TaVxVRaBAWKPdT9bJ53JftWkFvqNN4f3kkbwg2piGjAVK9xoeIaOTcYGt7+iFASX5A5 Z7i3SzKH1lDlt8NjNeyoXLKvrVGtLOKx8E3iJpuZwxt/Y9xYsNzYwK+oXuh46ahLhd3P 75UQPiII3zLYWr4EsdshJH8W0bxOOiZ6avKZOLR0I1CINuuDwAPmoni6+f/tdFm9kU1N ofdKbxrlyDYBai7LTv0o85mT5Azt35uhpxghR7AsNGiaF7jmZOT1N1ME2F4kPe5q8OaP HJ1A== X-Received: by 10.112.27.173 with SMTP id u13mr17731718lbg.7.1424008765331; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 05:59:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from lazlar.no-ip.biz (213-64-218-92-no126.business.telia.com. [213.64.218.92]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ks4sm88482lac.23.2015.02.15.05.59.24 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 15 Feb 2015 05:59:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54E0A63C.4080504@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 14:59:24 +0100 From: Rolf Nielsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon Subject: Re: Batch editing an SQLite db References: <54DE6371.4070609@gmail.com> <20150214023305.fab9370d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150214023305.fab9370d.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: User questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:59:28 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-02-14 02:33, Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 21:49:53 +0100, Rolf Nielsen wrote: >> I recently changed from one ROM to another on my Android phone. >> The old one and the new one use different mount points for the >> external SD card, and because of this the music playlists I've >> painstakingly created are utterly useless. The player refuses to >> even open them, because the files in them are non-existent. These >> are SQLite database files, and I've been able to open them with >> the SQLiteEditor app for Android, but I've not found an option to >> replace all occurances of a string with something else. I have >> eight playlists with some 500 songs each, so editing them >> manually would be tedious. Is there something in the ports tree >> that can do this? SQL isn't a language I speak fluently, so I'd >> need some pointers as well. Basically I need to substitute >> "sdcard1" for "extSdcard". > > Do you have r/w access to the database file and a SQLite > installation you can use? Then you can use its replace() function > with an UPDATE command: > > UPDATE SET = replace(, 'sdcard1', > 'extSdcard') WHERE LIKE '%sdcard1%'; > > Here is the name of the table which contains the > playlist entries, and is the "column name" under which > playlist entriy paths are stored. > > "Sadly", I don't have to mess with SQL regularly anymore. So not > tested. :-) > > I have now tried, and I'm happy to report that you saved not only my day or even week, but my whole year. 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From: KK CHN To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 17:08:55 -0000 Sorry for reposting this as I didn't receive any hints so far . Apologies!! List, I have a FreeBSD-10 server box running on 10.184.0.37 IP Address and a Debian Desktop running on 10.184.39.120 I installed mediatomb in my FreeBSD10 box (Recompiled the kernel with option MROUTING for multicast support. I am not sure whether the FreeBSD-10 installation supports Multicast out of box. So I recompiled the Kernel with MROUTING option.) I referred this link for Installing Mediatomb on FreeBSD ==> virtuallyhyper.com/2012/10/installing-mediatomb-on-freebsd-9-and-connecting-to-it-with-xbmc-from-a-fedora-17-os/ Mediatomb installed on this box up and running I can point from Desktop m/c browser to the URL http://my_server_ip:49152 showing the mediatomb html page .. But I can't get the Mediatomb server detected by the UPnP inspector from my Desktop PC. Here my Desktop PC is on 10.184.39.120 IP Address and My FreeBSD box with mediatomb server is in 10.184.0.37 IP Address. I suspect the UPnP inspector failed to find the mediatomb inspector due to they are on different subnets. A work around, that I am not very familiar with is to install OpenVPN server in freebsd box and OpenVPN client in my Desktop PC so as to make a Virtual network of the server and desktop pc on same subnet by using OpenVPN. ( http://mediatomb.cc/dokuwiki/faq:faq#my_upnp_player_can_not_see_mediatomb_what_is_wrong says to do the VPN tunneling) So I given a try.. I have done that and started OpenVPN in server box and OpenVPN client in Desktop PC I can see that from the ifconfig output of my server box the "tun0" interface is up with Multi cast support tun0: flags=8051 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=80000 inet6 fe80::20e:cff:fee4:62c%tun0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x4 inet 10.8.0.1 --> 10.8.0.2 netmask 0xffffffff nd6 options=21 Opened by PID 62158 And in Desktop pc I started the client by# openvpn --script-security 2 --config /etc/openvpn/client.conf I can see tun0 up here too. tun0 Link encap:UNSPEC HWaddr 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 inet addr:10.8.0.6 P-t-P:10.8.0.5 Mask:255.255.255.255 UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:10 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 RX bytes:3542 (3.4 KiB) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B) I launch the UPnP inspector from the Desktop PC, Still it unable to show the mediatomb server in the UPnP Inspector. Am I doing the the right way? Any more inputs required, I can attach the required inputs whatever required to analyze the problem. I am able to ping from the Desktop pc(A debian Distro ) to the FreeBSD Server after the OpenVPN setting up root@[openvpn]#ping 10.184.0.37 (Original Remote IP of FBSD Box specified in the openvpn client.conf) PING 10.184.0.37 (10.184.0.37) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 10.184.0.37: icmp_req=1 ttl=63 time=0.223 ms 64 bytes from 10.184.0.37: icmp_req=2 ttl=63 time=0.256 ms Also pinging the new tun0 iP to the server box also works root@kk[openvpn]#ping 10.8.0.1 PING 10.8.0.1 (10.8.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 10.8.0.1: icmp_req=1 ttl=64 time=0.778 ms 64 bytes from 10.8.0.1: icmp_req=2 ttl=64 time=0.720 ms ^Z This is the netstat -r output in Desktop PC for reference purpose.. root@dhaneshkk[openvpn]#netstat -rn Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface 0.0.0.0 10.184.39.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 10.8.0.1 10.8.0.5 255.255.255.255 UGH 0 0 0 tun0 10.8.0.5 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 tun0 10.184.39.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 netstat -r output in server box is Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire default 10.184.0.1 UGS 0 46021 em0 10.8.0.0/24 10.8.0.2 UGS 0 447 tun0 10.8.0.1 link#4 UHS 0 0 lo0 10.8.0.2 link#4 UH 0 8 tun0 10.184.0.0/24 link#1 U 0 3817 em0 10.184.0.37 link#1 UHS 0 0 lo0 127.0.0.1 link#3 UH 0 27650 lo0 Internet6: ...................... Do I have to add any manual root after the OpenVPN setup in both server and client PCs? If so what to add? Here is my openvpn.conf file of server box.. cat openvpn.conf ################################################# # Sample OpenVPN 2.0 config file for # # multi-client server. # # # # This file is for the server side # # of a many-clients <-> one-server # # OpenVPN configuration. # # # # OpenVPN also supports # # single-machine <-> single-machine # # configurations (See the Examples page # # on the web site for more info). # # # # This config should work on Windows # # or Linux/BSD systems. Remember on # # Windows to quote pathnames and use # # double backslashes, e.g.: # # "C:\\Program Files\\OpenVPN\\config\\foo.key" # # # # Comments are preceded with '#' or ';' # ################################################# # Which local IP address should OpenVPN # listen on? (optional) ;local a.b.c.d # Which TCP/UDP port should OpenVPN listen on? # If you want to run multiple OpenVPN instances # on the same machine, use a different port # number for each one. You will need to # open up this port on your firewall. port 1194 # TCP or UDP server? ;proto tcp proto udp # "dev tun" will create a routed IP tunnel, # "dev tap" will create an ethernet tunnel. # Use "dev tap0" if you are ethernet bridging # and have precreated a tap0 virtual interface # and bridged it with your ethernet interface. # If you want to control access policies # over the VPN, you must create firewall # rules for the the TUN/TAP interface. # On non-Windows systems, you can give # an explicit unit number, such as tun0. # On Windows, use "dev-node" for this. # On most systems, the VPN will not function # unless you partially or fully disable # the firewall for the TUN/TAP interface. ;dev tap dev tun # Windows needs the TAP-Win32 adapter name # from the Network Connections panel if you # have more than one. 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Remember that these # private subnets will also need # to know to route the OpenVPN client # address pool (10.8.0.0/255.255.255.0) # back to the OpenVPN server. ;push "route 192.168.10.0 255.255.255.0" ;push "route 192.168.20.0 255.255.255.0" # To assign specific IP addresses to specific # clients or if a connecting client has a private # subnet behind it that should also have VPN access, # use the subdirectory "ccd" for client-specific # configuration files (see man page for more info). # EXAMPLE: Suppose the client # having the certificate common name "Thelonious" # also has a small subnet behind his connecting # machine, such as 192.168.40.128/255.255.255.248. # First, uncomment out these lines: ;client-config-dir ccd ;route 192.168.40.128 255.255.255.248 # Then create a file ccd/Thelonious with this line: # iroute 192.168.40.128 255.255.255.248 # This will allow Thelonious' private subnet to # access the VPN. 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At most 20 # sequential messages of the same message # category will be output to the log. ;mute 20 ################################################# Here is my client.conf file of openvpn client in Desktop PC.. boss@kk[openvpn]$cat client.conf ############################################## # Sample client-side OpenVPN 2.0 config file # # for connecting to multi-client server. # # # # This configuration can be used by multiple # # clients, however each client should have # # its own cert and key files. # # # # On Windows, you might want to rename this # # file so it has a .ovpn extension # ############################################## # Specify that we are a client and that we # will be pulling certain config file directives # from the server. client # Use the same setting as you are using on # the server. # On most systems, the VPN will not function # unless you partially or fully disable # the firewall for the TUN/TAP interface. ;dev tap dev tun # Windows needs the TAP-Win32 adapter name # from the Network Connections panel # if you have more than one. On XP SP2, # you may need to disable the firewall # for the TAP adapter. ;dev-node MyTap # Are we connecting to a TCP or # UDP server? Use the same setting as # on the server. ;proto tcp proto udp # The hostname/IP and port of the server. # You can have multiple remote entries # to load balance between the servers. remote 10.184.0.37 1194 ;remote my-server-2 1194 # Choose a random host from the remote # list for load-balancing. Otherwise # try hosts in the order specified. ;remote-random # Keep trying indefinitely to resolve the # host name of the OpenVPN server. Very useful # on machines which are not permanently connected # to the internet such as laptops. resolv-retry infinite # Most clients don't need to bind to # a specific local port number. nobind # Downgrade privileges after initialization (non-Windows only) ;user nobody ;group nogroup user nobody group nogroup # Try to preserve some state across restarts. persist-key persist-tun # If you are connecting through an # HTTP proxy to reach the actual OpenVPN # server, put the proxy server/IP and # port number here. See the man page # if your proxy server requires # authentication. ;http-proxy-retry # retry on connection failures ;http-proxy [proxy server] [proxy port #] # Wireless networks often produce a lot # of duplicate packets. Set this flag # to silence duplicate packet warnings. ;mute-replay-warnings mute-replay-warnings # SSL/TLS parms. # See the server config file for more # description. It's best to use # a separate .crt/.key file pair # for each client. A single ca # file can be used for all clients. ca /etc/openvpn/certs/ca.crt cert /etc/openvpn/certs/kk.crt key /etc/openvpn/certs/kk.key # Verify server certificate by checking # that the certicate has the nsCertType # field set to "server". This is an # important precaution to protect against # a potential attack discussed here: # http://openvpn.net/howto.html#mitm # # To use this feature, you will need to generate # your server certificates with the nsCertType # field set to "server". The build-key-server # script in the easy-rsa folder will do this. ns-cert-type server # If a tls-auth key is used on the server # then every client must also have the key. ;tls-auth ta.key 1 # Select a cryptographic cipher. # If the cipher option is used on the server # then you must also specify it here. ;cipher x # Enable compression on the VPN link. # Don't enable this unless it is also # enabled in the server config file. comp-lzo # Set log file verbosity. verb 3 # Silence repeating messages ;mute 20 up /etc/openvpn/update-resolv-conf down /etc/openvpn/update-resolv-conf ################################################# ifconfig out put of Client box boss@kk[openvpn]$/sbin/ifconfig eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 74:46:a0:8e:43:6b inet addr:10.184.39.120 Bcast:10.184.39.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::7646:a0ff:fe8e:436b/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:633611 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:253003 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:345194263 (329.2 MiB) TX bytes:41049274 (39.1 MiB) Interrupt:20 Memory:f7d00000-f7d20000 lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:65536 Metric:1 RX packets:92 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:92 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:7132 (6.9 KiB) TX bytes:7132 (6.9 KiB) tun0 Link encap:UNSPEC HWaddr 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 inet addr:10.8.0.6 P-t-P:10.8.0.5 Mask:255.255.255.255 UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:17 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:2 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 RX bytes:5481 (5.3 KiB) TX bytes:168 (168.0 B) wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 10:fe:ed:8c:19:47 inet6 addr: fe80::12fe:edff:fe8c:1947/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:38182 errors:0 dropped:1 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:2273 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:4403352 (4.1 MiB) TX bytes:446232 (435.7 KiB) ########################## IFCONFIG Output of Server box # ifconfig em0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=209b ether 00:0e:0c:e4:06:2c inet 10.184.0.37 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.184.0.255 inet6 fe80::20e:cff:fee4:62c%em0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 nd6 options=29 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active em1: flags=8802 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=209b ether 00:0e:0c:e4:06:2d nd6 options=29 media: Ethernet autoselect status: no carrier lo0: flags=8049 metric 0 mtu 16384 options=600003 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 nd6 options=21 tun0: flags=8051 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=80000 inet6 fe80::20e:cff:fee4:62c%tun0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x4 inet 10.8.0.1 --> 10.8.0.2 netmask 0xffffffff nd6 options=21 Opened by PID 62158 I made sure the mediatomb Server is listening on the new VPN IP of server box of tun0 "10.8.0.1" /etc/rc.conf mediatomb_enable="YES" mediatomb_flags="-i 10.8.0.1" // New openVPN ip address I can access in the browser of my Desktop PC to the URL of server http://10.8.0.1:49152 (OpenVPN assigned IP) mediatomb web html page is loading properly. http://10.184.0.37:49152 (original IP address of Server box) also showing the mediatomb web page in browser when accessed from the Desktop. But launching the UPnP inspector from the Desktop PC unable to detect the mediatomb server.. Here I am at the end of the rope!! Definitely a N/W configuration issue.. Any hints most welcome.. Dhanesh. 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From: Waitman Gobble To: KK CHN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 17:43:46 -0000 On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 9:08 AM, KK CHN wrote: > Sorry for reposting this as I didn't receive any hints so far . Apologies!! > > > List, > > I have a FreeBSD-10 server box running on 10.184.0.37 IP Address and a > Debian Desktop running on 10.184.39.120 > > > I installed mediatomb in my FreeBSD10 box (Recompiled the kernel with > option MROUTING for multicast support. I am not sure whether the FreeBSD-10 > installation supports Multicast out of box. So I recompiled the Kernel with > MROUTING option.) > > I referred this link for Installing Mediatomb on FreeBSD ==> > virtuallyhyper.com/2012/10/installing-mediatomb-on-freebsd-9-and-connecting-to-it-with-xbmc-from-a-fedora-17-os/ > > Mediatomb installed on this box up and running I can point from Desktop m/c > browser to the URL http://my_server_ip:49152 showing the mediatomb html > page .. > > But I can't get the Mediatomb server detected by the UPnP inspector from > my Desktop PC. > > Here my Desktop PC is on 10.184.39.120 IP Address and My FreeBSD box with > mediatomb server is in 10.184.0.37 IP Address. > > I suspect the UPnP inspector failed to find the mediatomb inspector due to > they are on different subnets. > > A work around, that I am not very familiar with is to install OpenVPN > server in freebsd box and OpenVPN client in my Desktop PC so as to make a > Virtual network of the server and desktop pc on same subnet by using > OpenVPN. > > ( > http://mediatomb.cc/dokuwiki/faq:faq#my_upnp_player_can_not_see_mediatomb_what_is_wrong > says to do the VPN tunneling) So I given a try.. > > I have done that and started OpenVPN in server box and OpenVPN client in > Desktop PC > > I can see that from the ifconfig output of my server box the "tun0" > interface is up with Multi cast support > > tun0: flags=8051 metric 0 mtu 1500 > options=80000 > inet6 fe80::20e:cff:fee4:62c%tun0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x4 > inet 10.8.0.1 --> 10.8.0.2 netmask 0xffffffff > nd6 options=21 > Opened by PID 62158 > > > > And in Desktop pc I started the client by# openvpn --script-security 2 > --config /etc/openvpn/client.conf I can see tun0 up here too. > > > tun0 Link encap:UNSPEC HWaddr > 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 > inet addr:10.8.0.6 P-t-P:10.8.0.5 Mask:255.255.255.255 > UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:10 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 > RX bytes:3542 (3.4 KiB) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B) > > > I launch the UPnP inspector from the Desktop PC, Still it unable to show > the mediatomb server in the UPnP Inspector. > > Am I doing the the right way? > > > Any more inputs required, I can attach the required inputs whatever > required to analyze the problem. > > > > I am able to ping from the Desktop pc(A debian Distro ) to the FreeBSD > Server after the OpenVPN setting up > > root@[openvpn]#ping 10.184.0.37 (Original Remote IP of FBSD Box specified > in the openvpn client.conf) > > PING 10.184.0.37 (10.184.0.37) 56(84) bytes of data. > 64 bytes from 10.184.0.37: icmp_req=1 ttl=63 time=0.223 ms > 64 bytes from 10.184.0.37: icmp_req=2 ttl=63 time=0.256 ms > > > Also pinging the new tun0 iP to the server box also works > > root@kk[openvpn]#ping 10.8.0.1 > PING 10.8.0.1 (10.8.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data. > 64 bytes from 10.8.0.1: icmp_req=1 ttl=64 time=0.778 ms > 64 bytes from 10.8.0.1: icmp_req=2 ttl=64 time=0.720 ms > ^Z > > This is the netstat -r output in Desktop PC for reference purpose.. > > root@dhaneshkk[openvpn]#netstat -rn > Kernel IP routing table > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt > Iface > 0.0.0.0 10.184.39.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 > eth1 > 10.8.0.1 10.8.0.5 255.255.255.255 UGH 0 0 0 > tun0 > 10.8.0.5 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 > tun0 > 10.184.39.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 > eth1 > > > netstat -r output in server box is > > Internet: > Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire > default 10.184.0.1 UGS 0 46021 em0 > 10.8.0.0/24 10.8.0.2 UGS 0 447 tun0 > 10.8.0.1 link#4 UHS 0 0 lo0 > 10.8.0.2 link#4 UH 0 8 tun0 > 10.184.0.0/24 link#1 U 0 3817 em0 > 10.184.0.37 link#1 UHS 0 0 lo0 > 127.0.0.1 link#3 UH 0 27650 lo0 > > Internet6: > ...................... > > > Do I have to add any manual root after the OpenVPN setup in both server > and client PCs? > > If so what to add? > > > > > Here is my openvpn.conf file of server box.. > > > cat openvpn.conf > > ################################################# > # Sample OpenVPN 2.0 config file for # > # multi-client server. # > # # > # This file is for the server side # > # of a many-clients <-> one-server # > # OpenVPN configuration. # > # # > # OpenVPN also supports # > # single-machine <-> single-machine # > # configurations (See the Examples page # > # on the web site for more info). # > # # > # This config should work on Windows # > # or Linux/BSD systems. Remember on # > # Windows to quote pathnames and use # > # double backslashes, e.g.: # > # "C:\\Program Files\\OpenVPN\\config\\foo.key" # > # # > # Comments are preceded with '#' or ';' # > ################################################# > > # Which local IP address should OpenVPN > # listen on? (optional) > ;local a.b.c.d > > # Which TCP/UDP port should OpenVPN listen on? > # If you want to run multiple OpenVPN instances > # on the same machine, use a different port > # number for each one. You will need to > # open up this port on your firewall. > port 1194 > > # TCP or UDP server? > ;proto tcp > proto udp > > # "dev tun" will create a routed IP tunnel, > # "dev tap" will create an ethernet tunnel. > # Use "dev tap0" if you are ethernet bridging > # and have precreated a tap0 virtual interface > # and bridged it with your ethernet interface. > # If you want to control access policies > # over the VPN, you must create firewall > # rules for the the TUN/TAP interface. > # On non-Windows systems, you can give > # an explicit unit number, such as tun0. > # On Windows, use "dev-node" for this. > # On most systems, the VPN will not function > # unless you partially or fully disable > # the firewall for the TUN/TAP interface. > ;dev tap > dev tun > > # Windows needs the TAP-Win32 adapter name > # from the Network Connections panel if you > # have more than one. On XP SP2 or higher, > # you may need to selectively disable the > # Windows firewall for the TAP adapter. > # Non-Windows systems usually don't need this. > ;dev-node MyTap > > # SSL/TLS root certificate (ca), certificate > # (cert), and private key (key). Each client > # and the server must have their own cert and > # key file. The server and all clients will > # use the same ca file. > # > # See the "easy-rsa" directory for a series > # of scripts for generating RSA certificates > # and private keys. Remember to use > # a unique Common Name for the server > # and each of the client certificates. > # > # Any X509 key management system can be used. > # OpenVPN can also use a PKCS #12 formatted key file > # (see "pkcs12" directive in man page). > ca ca.crt > cert server.crt > key server.key # This file should be kept secret > > # Diffie hellman parameters. > # Generate your own with: > # openssl dhparam -out dh2048.pem 2048 > #dh dh2048.pem > dh dh1024.pem > # Network topology > # Should be subnet (addressing via IP) > # unless Windows clients v2.0.9 and lower have to > # be supported (then net30, i.e. a /30 per client) > # Defaults to net30 (not recommended) > ;topology subnet > > # Configure server mode and supply a VPN subnet > # for OpenVPN to draw client addresses from. > # The server will take 10.8.0.1 for itself, > # the rest will be made available to clients. > # Each client will be able to reach the server > # on 10.8.0.1. Comment this line out if you are > # ethernet bridging. See the man page for more info. > server 10.8.0.0 255.255.255.0 > > # Maintain a record of client <-> virtual IP address > # associations in this file. If OpenVPN goes down or > # is restarted, reconnecting clients can be assigned > # the same virtual IP address from the pool that was > # previously assigned. > ifconfig-pool-persist ipp.txt > > # Configure server mode for ethernet bridging. > # You must first use your OS's bridging capability > # to bridge the TAP interface with the ethernet > # NIC interface. Then you must manually set the > # IP/netmask on the bridge interface, here we > # assume 10.8.0.4/255.255.255.0. Finally we > # must set aside an IP range in this subnet > # (start=10.8.0.50 end=10.8.0.100) to allocate > # to connecting clients. Leave this line commented > # out unless you are ethernet bridging. > ;server-bridge 10.8.0.4 255.255.255.0 10.8.0.50 10.8.0.100 > > # Configure server mode for ethernet bridging > # using a DHCP-proxy, where clients talk > # to the OpenVPN server-side DHCP server > # to receive their IP address allocation > # and DNS server addresses. You must first use > # your OS's bridging capability to bridge the TAP > # interface with the ethernet NIC interface. > # Note: this mode only works on clients (such as > # Windows), where the client-side TAP adapter is > # bound to a DHCP client. > ;server-bridge > > # Push routes to the client to allow it > # to reach other private subnets behind > # the server. Remember that these > # private subnets will also need > # to know to route the OpenVPN client > # address pool (10.8.0.0/255.255.255.0) > # back to the OpenVPN server. > ;push "route 192.168.10.0 255.255.255.0" > ;push "route 192.168.20.0 255.255.255.0" > > # To assign specific IP addresses to specific > # clients or if a connecting client has a private > # subnet behind it that should also have VPN access, > # use the subdirectory "ccd" for client-specific > # configuration files (see man page for more info). > > # EXAMPLE: Suppose the client > # having the certificate common name "Thelonious" > # also has a small subnet behind his connecting > # machine, such as 192.168.40.128/255.255.255.248. > # First, uncomment out these lines: > ;client-config-dir ccd > ;route 192.168.40.128 255.255.255.248 > # Then create a file ccd/Thelonious with this line: > # iroute 192.168.40.128 255.255.255.248 > # This will allow Thelonious' private subnet to > # access the VPN. This example will only work > # if you are routing, not bridging, i.e. you are > # using "dev tun" and "server" directives. > > # EXAMPLE: Suppose you want to give > # Thelonious a fixed VPN IP address of 10.9.0.1. > # First uncomment out these lines: > ;client-config-dir ccd > ;route 10.9.0.0 255.255.255.252 > # Then add this line to ccd/Thelonious: > # ifconfig-push 10.9.0.1 10.9.0.2 > > # Suppose that you want to enable different > # firewall access policies for different groups > # of clients. There are two methods: > # (1) Run multiple OpenVPN daemons, one for each > # group, and firewall the TUN/TAP interface > # for each group/daemon appropriately. > # (2) (Advanced) Create a script to dynamically > # modify the firewall in response to access > # from different clients. See man > # page for more info on learn-address script. > ;learn-address ./script > > # If enabled, this directive will configure > # all clients to redirect their default > # network gateway through the VPN, causing > # all IP traffic such as web browsing and > # and DNS lookups to go through the VPN > # (The OpenVPN server machine may need to NAT > # or bridge the TUN/TAP interface to the internet > # in order for this to work properly). > ;push "redirect-gateway def1 bypass-dhcp" > > # Certain Windows-specific network settings > # can be pushed to clients, such as DNS > # or WINS server addresses. CAVEAT: > # http://openvpn.net/faq.html#dhcpcaveats > # The addresses below refer to the public > # DNS servers provided by opendns.com. > ;push "dhcp-option DNS 208.67.222.222" > ;push "dhcp-option DNS 208.67.220.220" > > # Uncomment this directive to allow different > # clients to be able to "see" each other. > # By default, clients will only see the server. > # To force clients to only see the server, you > # will also need to appropriately firewall the > # server's TUN/TAP interface. > ;client-to-client > > # Uncomment this directive if multiple clients > # might connect with the same certificate/key > # files or common names. This is recommended > # only for testing purposes. For production use, > # each client should have its own certificate/key > # pair. > # > # IF YOU HAVE NOT GENERATED INDIVIDUAL > # CERTIFICATE/KEY PAIRS FOR EACH CLIENT, > # EACH HAVING ITS OWN UNIQUE "COMMON NAME", > # UNCOMMENT THIS LINE OUT. > ;duplicate-cn > > # The keepalive directive causes ping-like > # messages to be sent back and forth over > # the link so that each side knows when > # the other side has gone down. > # Ping every 10 seconds, assume that remote > # peer is down if no ping received during > # a 120 second time period. > keepalive 10 120 > > # For extra security beyond that provided > # by SSL/TLS, create an "HMAC firewall" > # to help block DoS attacks and UDP port flooding. > # > # Generate with: > # openvpn --genkey --secret ta.key > # > # The server and each client must have > # a copy of this key. > # The second parameter should be '0' > # on the server and '1' on the clients. > ;tls-auth ta.key 0 # This file is secret > > # Select a cryptographic cipher. > # This config item must be copied to > # the client config file as well. > ;cipher BF-CBC # Blowfish (default) > ;cipher AES-128-CBC # AES > ;cipher DES-EDE3-CBC # Triple-DES > > # Enable compression on the VPN link. > # If you enable it here, you must also > # enable it in the client config file. > comp-lzo > > # The maximum number of concurrently connected > # clients we want to allow. > ;max-clients 100 > > # It's a good idea to reduce the OpenVPN > # daemon's privileges after initialization. > # > # You can uncomment this out on > # non-Windows systems. > ;user nobody > ;group nobody > > # The persist options will try to avoid > # accessing certain resources on restart > # that may no longer be accessible because > # of the privilege downgrade. > persist-key > persist-tun > > # Output a short status file showing > # current connections, truncated > # and rewritten every minute. > status openvpn-status.log > > # By default, log messages will go to the syslog (or > # on Windows, if running as a service, they will go to > # the "\Program Files\OpenVPN\log" directory). > # Use log or log-append to override this default. > # "log" will truncate the log file on OpenVPN startup, > # while "log-append" will append to it. Use one > # or the other (but not both). > ;log openvpn.log > ;log-append openvpn.log > > # Set the appropriate level of log > # file verbosity. > # > # 0 is silent, except for fatal errors > # 4 is reasonable for general usage > # 5 and 6 can help to debug connection problems > # 9 is extremely verbose > verb 3 > > # Silence repeating messages. At most 20 > # sequential messages of the same message > # category will be output to the log. > ;mute 20 > ################################################# > > > Here is my client.conf file of openvpn client in Desktop PC.. > > boss@kk[openvpn]$cat client.conf > ############################################## > # Sample client-side OpenVPN 2.0 config file # > # for connecting to multi-client server. # > # # > # This configuration can be used by multiple # > # clients, however each client should have # > # its own cert and key files. # > # # > # On Windows, you might want to rename this # > # file so it has a .ovpn extension # > ############################################## > > # Specify that we are a client and that we > # will be pulling certain config file directives > # from the server. > client > > # Use the same setting as you are using on > # the server. > # On most systems, the VPN will not function > # unless you partially or fully disable > # the firewall for the TUN/TAP interface. > ;dev tap > dev tun > > # Windows needs the TAP-Win32 adapter name > # from the Network Connections panel > # if you have more than one. On XP SP2, > # you may need to disable the firewall > # for the TAP adapter. > ;dev-node MyTap > > # Are we connecting to a TCP or > # UDP server? Use the same setting as > # on the server. > ;proto tcp > proto udp > > # The hostname/IP and port of the server. > # You can have multiple remote entries > # to load balance between the servers. > remote 10.184.0.37 1194 > ;remote my-server-2 1194 > > # Choose a random host from the remote > # list for load-balancing. Otherwise > # try hosts in the order specified. > ;remote-random > > # Keep trying indefinitely to resolve the > # host name of the OpenVPN server. Very useful > # on machines which are not permanently connected > # to the internet such as laptops. > resolv-retry infinite > > # Most clients don't need to bind to > # a specific local port number. > nobind > > # Downgrade privileges after initialization (non-Windows only) > ;user nobody > ;group nogroup > user nobody > group nogroup > # Try to preserve some state across restarts. > persist-key > persist-tun > > # If you are connecting through an > # HTTP proxy to reach the actual OpenVPN > # server, put the proxy server/IP and > # port number here. See the man page > # if your proxy server requires > # authentication. > ;http-proxy-retry # retry on connection failures > ;http-proxy [proxy server] [proxy port #] > > # Wireless networks often produce a lot > # of duplicate packets. Set this flag > # to silence duplicate packet warnings. > ;mute-replay-warnings > > mute-replay-warnings > # SSL/TLS parms. > # See the server config file for more > # description. It's best to use > # a separate .crt/.key file pair > # for each client. A single ca > # file can be used for all clients. > ca /etc/openvpn/certs/ca.crt > cert /etc/openvpn/certs/kk.crt > key /etc/openvpn/certs/kk.key > > # Verify server certificate by checking > # that the certicate has the nsCertType > # field set to "server". This is an > # important precaution to protect against > # a potential attack discussed here: > # http://openvpn.net/howto.html#mitm > # > # To use this feature, you will need to generate > # your server certificates with the nsCertType > # field set to "server". The build-key-server > # script in the easy-rsa folder will do this. > ns-cert-type server > > # If a tls-auth key is used on the server > # then every client must also have the key. > ;tls-auth ta.key 1 > > # Select a cryptographic cipher. > # If the cipher option is used on the server > # then you must also specify it here. > ;cipher x > > # Enable compression on the VPN link. > # Don't enable this unless it is also > # enabled in the server config file. > comp-lzo > > # Set log file verbosity. > verb 3 > > # Silence repeating messages > ;mute 20 > up /etc/openvpn/update-resolv-conf > down /etc/openvpn/update-resolv-conf > ################################################# > > > ifconfig out put of Client box > > boss@kk[openvpn]$/sbin/ifconfig > eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 74:46:a0:8e:43:6b > inet addr:10.184.39.120 Bcast:10.184.39.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 > inet6 addr: fe80::7646:a0ff:fe8e:436b/64 Scope:Link > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:633611 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:253003 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > RX bytes:345194263 (329.2 MiB) TX bytes:41049274 (39.1 MiB) > Interrupt:20 Memory:f7d00000-f7d20000 > > lo Link encap:Local Loopback > inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 > inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host > UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:65536 Metric:1 > RX packets:92 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:92 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 > RX bytes:7132 (6.9 KiB) TX bytes:7132 (6.9 KiB) > > tun0 Link encap:UNSPEC HWaddr > 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 > inet addr:10.8.0.6 P-t-P:10.8.0.5 Mask:255.255.255.255 > UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:17 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:2 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 > RX bytes:5481 (5.3 KiB) TX bytes:168 (168.0 B) > > wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 10:fe:ed:8c:19:47 > inet6 addr: fe80::12fe:edff:fe8c:1947/64 Scope:Link > UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:38182 errors:0 dropped:1 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:2273 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > RX bytes:4403352 (4.1 MiB) TX bytes:446232 (435.7 KiB) > > > ########################## > > > IFCONFIG Output of Server box > > # ifconfig > em0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 > > options=209b > ether 00:0e:0c:e4:06:2c > inet 10.184.0.37 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.184.0.255 > inet6 fe80::20e:cff:fee4:62c%em0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 > nd6 options=29 > media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) > status: active > em1: flags=8802 metric 0 mtu 1500 > > options=209b > ether 00:0e:0c:e4:06:2d > nd6 options=29 > media: Ethernet autoselect > status: no carrier > lo0: flags=8049 metric 0 mtu 16384 > options=600003 > inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 > inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3 > inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 > nd6 options=21 > tun0: flags=8051 metric 0 mtu 1500 > options=80000 > inet6 fe80::20e:cff:fee4:62c%tun0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x4 > inet 10.8.0.1 --> 10.8.0.2 netmask 0xffffffff > nd6 options=21 > Opened by PID 62158 > > > > I made sure the mediatomb Server is listening on the new VPN IP of server > box of tun0 "10.8.0.1" > > /etc/rc.conf > mediatomb_enable="YES" > mediatomb_flags="-i 10.8.0.1" // New openVPN ip address > > I can access in the browser of my Desktop PC to the URL of server > > http://10.8.0.1:49152 (OpenVPN assigned IP) mediatomb web html page is > loading properly. > > http://10.184.0.37:49152 (original IP address of Server box) also > showing the mediatomb web page in browser when accessed from the Desktop. > > But launching the UPnP inspector from the Desktop PC unable to detect the > mediatomb server.. Here I am at the end of the rope!! > > > Definitely a N/W configuration issue.. Any hints most welcome.. > > Dhanesh. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hi, I haven't much liked UPnP inspector, seems to me like it's not really picking everything up. All UPnP devices will broadcast/perform queries to 239.255.255.250 port 1900 (UDP). You can do a simple query by sending an M-SEARCH * command Here's a quick Tcl script that works pretty good. https://gist.github.com/waitman/ec3c50e9ab5ef7e22a91 if you send an M-SEARCH * query with ST: ssdp:all (see the line commented out) it should return everything in 'sight'. (including chrome/chromium browsers running on your client machines, which are querying for UPnP devices). -- Waitman Gobble Los Altos California USA 510-830-7975 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 15 18:19:25 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E96AAAC0 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:19:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2944632 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:19:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YN3mq-0006p3-4O for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:19:20 +0100 Received: from pool-173-79-82-127.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.82.127]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:19:20 +0100 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-82-127.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:19:20 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Subject: Re: Fwd: UPnP inspector and mediatomb on different Subnets. Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:19:11 -0500 Lines: 62 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-82-127.washdc.fios.verizon.net X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:19:26 -0000 KK CHN wrote: > Sorry for reposting this as I didn't receive any hints so far . > Apologies!! Sorry to say this, but top-posting is bad form. > List, > > I have a FreeBSD-10 server box running on 10.184.0.37 IP Address and a > Debian Desktop running on 10.184.39.120 > > > I installed mediatomb in my FreeBSD10 box (Recompiled the kernel with > option MROUTING for multicast support. I am not sure whether the > FreeBSD-10 installation supports Multicast out of box. So I recompiled the > Kernel with MROUTING option.) > > I referred this link for Installing Mediatomb on FreeBSD ==> > virtuallyhyper.com/2012/10/installing-mediatomb-on-freebsd-9-and- connecting-to-it-with-xbmc-from-a-fedora-17-os/ > > Mediatomb installed on this box up and running I can point from Desktop > m/c > browser to the URL http://my_server_ip:49152 showing the mediatomb html > page .. > > But I can't get the Mediatomb server detected by the UPnP inspector from > my Desktop PC. > [snip] I know nothing of MediaTomb myself, but I was under some impression the multicast MROUTING kernel option is supposed to be used in conjunction with mrouted? > I made sure the mediatomb Server is listening on the new VPN IP of > server > box of tun0 "10.8.0.1" > This whole VPN thing just seems like such a wrong approach to me. YMMV > > Definitely a N/W configuration issue.. Any hints most welcome.. > man route add maybe? something along the lines of route add -net if this approach is proper (I'm a 'dummy' and haven't had to do this in sometime so memory gets fuzzy) you may need to do it on both subnets to get each connected to the other. Exact syntax will depend on your networks. The reservation I have here that I'm way too fuzzy about is how ARP fits, but iirc it comes into play somehow. There are smarter people around who may be able to confirm a canonical approach to joining two subnets via the routing table. But, remember - I'm a dummy so I just toss it out as an idea. Just a potential idea to consider. I'm probably wrong. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 15 19:56:41 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F8D5EC6 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:56:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sender1.zohomail.com (sender1.zohomail.com [74.201.84.157]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A1A2F0E for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:56:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from workbox.Home (67-4-214-57.mpls.qwest.net [67.4.214.57]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTPS id 1424029282864612.6782422575731; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 11:41:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:41:19 -0600 From: Bigby James To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ports/Packages and release engineering Message-ID: <20150215194119.GA4369@workbox.Home> References: <54DF89BE.6010005@complete.org> <54DF9A79.6070601@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <54DF9A79.6070601@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-ZohoMailClient: External X-Zoho-Virus-Status: 2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:56:41 -0000 > On 02/14/2015 11:36 AM, jungle Boogie wrote: > One way to save all that stuff that scrolls off the screen is to run > the pkg > command as follows: > > script /tmp/pkg.out > pkg install xserver-xorg digikam vim screen bash 2>&1 > exit > > now you can view /tmp/pkg.out for all the stuff that scrolled off the > screen. 'pkg info -D ' will do the trick, too. ;) pkg(8) is very well-documented at this point, though it's still undergoing development. -- "A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 15 20:04:00 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36DD254C for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 20:04:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "ca.infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B29E3FF5 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 20:03:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.2.117.100]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id t1FK3qqA048757 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 20:03:52 GMT (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.9.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk t1FK3qqA048757 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/t1FK3qqA048757; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none; dkim-atps=neutral Message-ID: <54E0FB9C.1090706@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 20:03:40 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ports/Packages and release engineering References: <54DF89BE.6010005@complete.org> <54DFA962.2010509@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qL9Sr04p1jH4uFEOEaKOf005OvtHtr2KV" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.6 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 20:04:00 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --qL9Sr04p1jH4uFEOEaKOf005OvtHtr2KV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 14/02/2015 23:20, John Goerzen wrote: > Matthew Seaman infracaninophile.co.uk> writes: >=20 >> >> On 14/02/2015 17:45, John Goerzen wrote: > I actually expect to use pkg(8) rather than ports almost all of the tim= e.=20 > So it sounds nice that pkg(8) can do this, but I am confused about the > relation between ports and pkg. I see some rather contradictory inform= ation > out there, and wonder if this changed in FreeBSD 9 or 10? I see some p= eople > saying that a person always needs to tell the ports system to register = with > pkg, but then I don't see anything in the Handbook saying to do that th= ese days. pkg(8) is the only game in town now, and has been since last april (IIRC). All supported versions of FreeBSD use pkg(8). There's a lot of historical information floating around from the transition period when lots of people were still running pkg_tools based systems and many of them were needing to convert. You'ld have to be running something pretty seriously out of date to still be in that position today though. As for ports and pkg: it's easy really. ports are a set of instructions for building 3rd party software pkg(8) is a tool for managing collections of files, commonly used for handling the results of ports compilations. All the binary packages currently available are the results of ports compilations, be that ones done on the central package building systems, or ones done locally on an individual system via tools like portmaster(1) or portmanager(1). > So if a port only supplies a .sample, on what basis would pkg do a 3-wa= y > merge, since nobody is likely to modify .sample directly? At the moment, pkg(8) doesn't do any 3-way merging. That's something that is currently under development. > Ah. OK. So is there really that much churn in base system libraries? = It's > not necessarily an issue for me, but just a surprise; I'm used to syste= ms > where most binaries that are a decade old still work fine on modern sys= tems. The promise is that a binary compiled on the earliest release from any major branch will be forward compatible with any subsequent releases from that same major branch. (So something compiled under 9.0 will work on 9.3, but something compiled on 9.3 will not necessarily work on 9.0). Yes, there are quite likely to be incompatible changes in the standard library ABIs between major versions. Something as simple as changing the size of a struct can break the ABI, even though it still maintains the same API and exactly the same soure code, once recompiled, will work just fine. Symbol versioning allows a single shlib to provide older variants of an ABI as well as the latest one, which means you can get both forwards and backwards compatibility. I don't think that the symbol versionning support is comprehensive enough yet, or well tested enough yet that the advice to re-install everything on a major upgrade will be changed any time soon. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 15:42:18 -0700 From: reg@dwf.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 23:12:19 -0000 I am obviously missing something, but where is the source for the PC-BSD kernel. I dont see it on the DVD release. I need it to build a NVIDIA driver for my video card. Mabe I just dont understand the wording of the descriptions of the various files, but I dont see it. -- Reg.Clemens reg@dwf.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 16 00:46:45 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 606FF320 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 00:46:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from deneb.dwf.com (70-90-202-97-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.90.202.97]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D6AADE0 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 00:46:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from deneb.dwf.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by deneb.dwf.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id t1G0kF6c022473; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 17:46:15 -0700 Message-Id: <201502160046.t1G0kF6c022473@deneb.dwf.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.3 To: Brandon Schneider Subject: Re: Where is the source? In-reply-to: <54E139A1.50402@icloud.com> References: <201502152242.t1FMgIeE003747@deneb.dwf.com> <54E139A1.50402@icloud.com> Comments: In-reply-to Brandon Schneider message dated "Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:28:17 -0600." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 17:46:15 -0700 From: reg@dwf.com Cc: reg@dwf.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, reg@deneb.dwf.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 00:46:45 -0000 Thanks for the response, but the nvidia driver in freebsd does not cover all nvidia cards. For my card, a 6200LE they recommend the 304.125 Legacy driver, which you have to build, and it needs kernel sources (I will assume just the include files). Im just not sure where kernel sources are hiding in FreeBSD (I ran FreeBSD *years* ago, but of late have run Redhat/Fedorda). > From brandon.schneider@icloud.com Sun Feb 15 17:26:21 2015 > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on deneb.dwf.com > X-Spam-Level: > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW > autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 > Received: from st11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com (st11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.172.81.0]) > by deneb.dwf.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id t1G0QKFQ022298 > for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 17:26:21 -0700 > Received: from [192.168.1.10] > (66-188-153-21.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com [66.188.153.21]) > by st11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com > (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.35.0 64bit (built Dec 4 2014)) > with ESMTPSA id <0NJU00N4197P0Y30@st11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for reg@dwf.com; > Mon, 16 Feb 2015 00:26:14 +0000 (GMT) > X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure > engine=2.50.10432:5.13.68,1.0.33,0.0.0000 > definitions=2015-02-16_01:2015-02-13,2015-02-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 > X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 > suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 > reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1412110000 definitions=main-1502160003 > Message-id: <54E139A1.50402@icloud.com> > Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:28:17 -0600 > From: Brandon Schneider > User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 > Thunderbird/31.4.0 > MIME-version: 1.0 > To: reg@dwf.com > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Where is the source? > References: <201502152242.t1FMgIeE003747@deneb.dwf.com> > In-reply-to: <201502152242.t1FMgIeE003747@deneb.dwf.com> > Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Hi, > > PC-BSD is FreeBSD under the hood. Just different packages after install > as Kris Moore has said. So I would recommend following the handbook : > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/synching.html . > > Although I thought PC-BSD supplies an NVIDIA driver, I haven't used it > for a while but I'd look at the repository first. > > On 2/15/2015 4:42 PM, reg@dwf.com wrote: > > I am obviously missing something, but where is the source > > for the PC-BSD kernel. I dont see it on the DVD release. > > > > I need it to build a NVIDIA driver for my video card. > > > > Mabe I just dont understand the wording of the descriptions > > of the various files, but I dont see it. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 16 01:26:22 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0377C8B for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 01:26:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from st11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com (st11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.172.81.0]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B31FB17F for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 01:26:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (66-188-153-21.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com [66.188.153.21]) by st11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.35.0 64bit (built Dec 4 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NJU00N4197P0Y30@st11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 00:26:14 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.13.68,1.0.33,0.0.0000 definitions=2015-02-16_01:2015-02-13,2015-02-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1412110000 definitions=main-1502160003 Message-id: <54E139A1.50402@icloud.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:28:17 -0600 From: Brandon Schneider User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-version: 1.0 To: reg@dwf.com Subject: Re: Where is the source? References: <201502152242.t1FMgIeE003747@deneb.dwf.com> In-reply-to: <201502152242.t1FMgIeE003747@deneb.dwf.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 01:26:23 -0000 Hi, PC-BSD is FreeBSD under the hood. Just different packages after install as Kris Moore has said. So I would recommend following the handbook : https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/synching.html . Although I thought PC-BSD supplies an NVIDIA driver, I haven't used it for a while but I'd look at the repository first. On 2/15/2015 4:42 PM, reg@dwf.com wrote: > I am obviously missing something, but where is the source > for the PC-BSD kernel. I dont see it on the DVD release. > > I need it to build a NVIDIA driver for my video card. > > Mabe I just dont understand the wording of the descriptions > of the various files, but I dont see it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 16 01:41:27 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 494473D7 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 01:41:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from elysion.barrera.io (unknown [IPv6:2607:f2f8:a520::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1AF70360 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 01:41:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from elysion.barrera.io (localhost [127.0.0.1]); by elysion.barrera.io (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 0fad7e26; for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 01:41:22 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=barrera.io; h=date:from:to :subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=elysion; bh=qoW PmLr+dy+4nrDMIcsOWcPvEVM=; b=h/qtwLQ0F34dsT1SUqaC65T/+ZOslhvW/h8 ub7oeTHPeHg5slvKTTj/qad11xL6CrAV0XqRPhtR4vxrxXh/MI06CeXpO25RoCQ3 MgxrmRLww8PpobdgYI/ldfFIPsMOjy4ZFQbV65Y41nhTLiGDVUTAYc5K6HzBo49K Kr/4pYlOCmjv3jHc++badnoXdw/Yg6mR45BdYabyTwj3aXJkcBbm7L9teNRa4ZRs JrQ9GGYxo1wTViAeOE6d4F7zfDegKPZBmX0QwQufuLQMUq/EAo+M9sq/uT03ZZ1J RoaicGRZwq+BOP/4JmYmhT4A97aWhWoSzwKS6ogu97snnn6tlTA== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=barrera.io; h=date:from:to :subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type; q=dns; s=elysion; b= UKpFeRPqcPzDADF+ar8YldMJHTIzp5QPqm4J9tJRmYexWZh5U2V78yWOQMtVAAtU 6L24w/RaA/Gr99moaENufKjiGq1rUV8lfCCqyg2Kyy6G81sKkWW9C+oqDlAkhFLY hWge5fusnLGDugcRLJ6F1+Wd/fTw8mAqKomzTU5+E5H2OR3ic6brLxNJu48UdxAU qC4m5gjP3+wvHhKr3fOsehjpMeG886T9ZcG2XD5zOj89tv+4/u0vyzlqrTaCPveo lf/D7vwb+jqyGRKBOpPwO/sEUS2yJjNpkNyTKZSbTBRQXdST3jdYImhDIlikpSy1 +/1kboRTENjOnlO/vJJlbQ== Received: from athena.barrera.io (2800:40:7aa:1:bae8:56ff:fe18:7bf6 [IPv6:2800:40:7aa:1:bae8:56ff:fe18:7bf6]); by smtp.barrera.io (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id d23f5b30; TLS version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO; for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 01:41:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from athena.barrera.io (athena.barrera.io [IPv6:::1]); by athena.barrera.io (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 5efef5c1; for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 01:41:38 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 22:41:38 -0300 From: Hugo Osvaldo Barrera To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: SSL: fatal access denied with opensmtp AND dovecot Message-ID: <20150216014138.GA3046@athena.barrera.io> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="J2SCkAp4GZ/dPZZf" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23.1-rc1 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 01:41:27 -0000 --J2SCkAp4GZ/dPZZf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I've been tasked with setting up a FreeBSD-based email server, with opensmt= pd and dovecot. I've come across an issue with both, giving an error stating "fatal access denied" when attempting to initiate TLS connectiong. The certificates work fine on a test OpenBSD host, so they're not the issue. I'm amused that both dovecot *and* opensmtpd show almost identical issue, a= nd suspect that something openssl related might be broken. Dovecot ------- =3D=3D> /var/log/debug.log <=3D=3D Feb 16 01:33:55 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: elliptic curve se= cp384r1 will be used for ECDH and ECDHE key exchanges Feb 16 01:33:55 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: elliptic curve se= cp384r1 will be used for ECDH and ECDHE key exchanges Feb 16 01:33:55 hydrogen dovecot: auth: Debug: Loading modules from directo= ry: /usr/local/lib/dovecot/auth Feb 16 01:33:55 hydrogen dovecot: auth: Debug: Wrote new auth token secret = to /var/run/dovecot/auth-token-secret.dat Feb 16 01:33:55 hydrogen dovecot: auth: Debug: passwd-file /usr/local/etc/d= ovecot/users: Read 5 users in 0 secs Feb 16 01:33:55 hydrogen dovecot: auth: Debug: auth client connected (pid= =3D94662) Feb 16 01:33:55 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x10, ret= =3D1: before/accept initialization [190.210.108.249] Feb 16 01:33:55 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x2001, r= et=3D1: before/accept initialization [190.210.108.249] Feb 16 01:33:55 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x2002, r= et=3D-1: SSLv2/v3 read client hello A [190.210.108.249] Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x2001, r= et=3D1: SSLv3 read client hello A [190.210.108.249] Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x2001, r= et=3D1: SSLv3 write server hello A [190.210.108.249] Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x2001, r= et=3D1: SSLv3 write certificate A [190.210.108.249] Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x2001, r= et=3D1: SSLv3 write key exchange A [190.210.108.249] Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x2001, r= et=3D1: SSLv3 write server done A [190.210.108.249] Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x2001, r= et=3D1: SSLv3 flush data [190.210.108.249] Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x2002, r= et=3D-1: SSLv3 read client certificate A [190.210.108.249] Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x2002, r= et=3D-1: SSLv3 read client certificate A [190.210.108.249] Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x2001, r= et=3D1: SSLv3 read client key exchange A [190.210.108.249] Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x2001, r= et=3D1: SSLv3 read finished A [190.210.108.249] Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x2001, r= et=3D1: SSLv3 write session ticket A [190.210.108.249] Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x2001, r= et=3D1: SSLv3 write change cipher spec A [190.210.108.249] Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x2001, r= et=3D1: SSLv3 write finished A [190.210.108.249] Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x2001, r= et=3D1: SSLv3 flush data [190.210.108.249] Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x20, ret= =3D1: SSL negotiation finished successfully [190.210.108.249] Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x2002, r= et=3D1: SSL negotiation finished successfully [190.210.108.249] Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL alert: close notif= y [190.210.108.249] =3D=3D> /var/log/maillog <=3D=3D Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Warning: SSL alert: where=3D0= x4004, ret=3D561: fatal access denied [190.210.108.249] Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Disconnected (no auth attempt= s in 1 secs): user=3D<>, rip=3D190.210.108.249, lip=3D104.236.123.233, TLS,= session=3D Opensmtpd --------- debug: smtp: new client on listener: 0x8024eb000 smtp-in: New session 6f9022aa19efcad6 from host athena.barrera.io [190.210.= 108.249] debug: lka: looking up pki "mail.asteq.com.ar" debug: session_start_ssl: switching to SSL debug: pony: rsae_priv_enc debug: SSL library error: io_dispatch_accept_ssl:SSL_accept: error:14094419= :SSL routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES:tlsv1 alert access denied smtp-in: Disconnecting session 6f9022aa19efcad6: IO error: error:14094419:S= SL routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES:tlsv1 alert access denied debug: smtp: 0x802501000: deleting session: IO error Some details: * Certificate file modes can't be an issue because both services start as r= oot. smtpd actually demands that the files are at most mode 700 and owned by 0= :0. * I've checked the certificates and keys and they look fine. I tried another self-generated pair too. * FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE-p5. * dovecot2-2.2.15_3 from packages * Tried both opensmtpd-5.4.4,1 and opensmtpd-devel-201502012312. * Certificates were generated with "openssl genrsa -out ssl.key 4096". * The original certificates (I later tried self-signed) were signed by StartSSL. * Debugging is set to the maximum on both daemons. Dovecot only actually sp= at the error after I increased logging verbosity quite a bit. Any hints? Has anyone come across similar issues? Searching online for this issue got me now-where. --=20 Hugo Osvaldo Barrera A: Because we read from top to bottom, left to right. 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Message-ID: <20150216095159.36614238@B85M-HD3-0.alogt.com> In-Reply-To: <201502152242.t1FMgIeE003747@deneb.dwf.com> References: <201502152242.t1FMgIeE003747@deneb.dwf.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 01:52:14 -0000 Hi, On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 15:42:18 -0700 reg@dwf.com wrote: > > I am obviously missing something, but where is the source > for the PC-BSD kernel. I dont see it on the DVD release. > > I need it to build a NVIDIA driver for my video card. > > Mabe I just dont understand the wording of the descriptions > of the various files, but I dont see it. there is no PC-BSD kernel. They use the FreeBSD kernel. Which version do you need? I use currently this one: svn://svn.freebsd.org/base/stable/10 I do not know about svn and PC-BSD. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 16 01:58:34 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2552799 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 01:58:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from st11p00mm-asmtp004.mac.com (st11p00mm-asmtp004.mac.com [17.172.81.3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C4035663 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 01:58:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (66-188-153-21.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com [66.188.153.21]) by st11p00mm-asmtp004.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.33.0 64bit (built Aug 27 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NJU00754APBGD80@st11p00mm-asmtp004.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 00:58:24 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.13.68,1.0.33,0.0.0000 definitions=2015-02-16_01:2015-02-13,2015-02-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1412110000 definitions=main-1502160009 Message-id: <54E1412B.40405@icloud.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:00:27 -0600 From: Brandon Schneider User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-version: 1.0 To: reg@dwf.com Subject: Re: Where is the source? References: <201502152242.t1FMgIeE003747@deneb.dwf.com> <54E139A1.50402@icloud.com> <201502160046.t1G0kF6c022473@deneb.dwf.com> In-reply-to: <201502160046.t1G0kF6c022473@deneb.dwf.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 01:58:34 -0000 Right. Follow the handbook :) The link will help you sync the sources to your machine and the rest of the handbook has a section on compiling the kernel sources. It is very easy to do in FreeBSD land. On 2/15/2015 6:46 PM, reg@dwf.com wrote: > Thanks for the response, but the nvidia driver in freebsd does not > cover all nvidia cards. For my card, a 6200LE they recommend the 304.125 > Legacy driver, which you have to build, and it needs kernel sources > (I will assume just the include files). Im just not sure where > kernel sources are hiding in FreeBSD (I ran FreeBSD *years* ago, but > of late have run Redhat/Fedorda). > > >> From brandon.schneider@icloud.com Sun Feb 15 17:26:21 2015 >> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on deneb.dwf.com >> X-Spam-Level: >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW >> autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 >> Received: from st11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com (st11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.172.81.0]) >> by deneb.dwf.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id t1G0QKFQ022298 >> for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 17:26:21 -0700 >> Received: from [192.168.1.10] >> (66-188-153-21.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com [66.188.153.21]) >> by st11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com >> (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.35.0 64bit (built Dec 4 2014)) >> with ESMTPSA id <0NJU00N4197P0Y30@st11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for reg@dwf.com; >> Mon, 16 Feb 2015 00:26:14 +0000 (GMT) >> X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure >> engine=2.50.10432:5.13.68,1.0.33,0.0.0000 >> definitions=2015-02-16_01:2015-02-13,2015-02-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 >> X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 >> suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 >> reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1412110000 definitions=main-1502160003 >> Message-id: <54E139A1.50402@icloud.com> >> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:28:17 -0600 >> From: Brandon Schneider >> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 >> Thunderbird/31.4.0 >> MIME-version: 1.0 >> To: reg@dwf.com >> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> Subject: Re: Where is the source? >> References: <201502152242.t1FMgIeE003747@deneb.dwf.com> >> In-reply-to: <201502152242.t1FMgIeE003747@deneb.dwf.com> >> Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >> Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > >> Hi, >> >> PC-BSD is FreeBSD under the hood. Just different packages after install >> as Kris Moore has said. So I would recommend following the handbook : >> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/synching.html . >> >> Although I thought PC-BSD supplies an NVIDIA driver, I haven't used it >> for a while but I'd look at the repository first. >> >> On 2/15/2015 4:42 PM, reg@dwf.com wrote: >>> I am obviously missing something, but where is the source >>> for the PC-BSD kernel. I dont see it on the DVD release. >>> >>> I need it to build a NVIDIA driver for my video card. >>> >>> Mabe I just dont understand the wording of the descriptions >>> of the various files, but I dont see it. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 16 02:33:08 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 575EAE85 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 02:33:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net [150.101.137.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E30929E3 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 02:33:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ppp118-210-40-247.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net (HELO leader.local) ([118.210.40.247]) by ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 16 Feb 2015 12:57:57 +1030 Message-ID: <54E155AB.4050105@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 12:57:55 +1030 From: Shane Ambler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erich Dollansky , reg@dwf.com Subject: Re: Where is the source? References: <201502152242.t1FMgIeE003747@deneb.dwf.com> <20150216095159.36614238@B85M-HD3-0.alogt.com> In-Reply-To: <20150216095159.36614238@B85M-HD3-0.alogt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 02:33:08 -0000 On 16/02/2015 12:21, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 15:42:18 -0700 > reg@dwf.com wrote: > >> >> I am obviously missing something, but where is the source >> for the PC-BSD kernel. I dont see it on the DVD release. >> >> I need it to build a NVIDIA driver for my video card. >> >> Mabe I just dont understand the wording of the descriptions >> of the various files, but I dont see it. > > there is no PC-BSD kernel. They use the FreeBSD kernel. > > Which version do you need? > > I use currently this one: > > svn://svn.freebsd.org/base/stable/10 > > I do not know about svn and PC-BSD. > > Erich You can find the source tarball matching the release on the pcbsd dvd. It is located at dist/src.txz on the disc I think pcbsd uses releng for it's main release discs so from freebsd svn you would want svn://svn.freebsd.org/base/releng/10.1 The pcbsd official repo can be found at https://github.com/pcbsd/pcbsd but it is only the custom pcbsd components and build scripts not the kernel or world source from the freebsd source tree. -- FreeBSD - the place to B...Software Developing Shane Ambler From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 16 03:09:48 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 747C068D for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 03:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.ssimicro.com (mail.ssimicro.com [64.247.129.10]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.ssimicro.com", Issuer "RapidSSL SHA256 CA - G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C7815DE2 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 03:09:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from markhams-MacBook-Pro.local (rageous.ssimicro.com [64.247.134.72]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.ssimicro.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id t1G2xBdT018014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:59:13 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <54E15D00.8060303@corp.ssimicro.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:59:12 -0700 From: markham breitbach User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hugo Osvaldo Barrera , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SSL: fatal access denied with opensmtp AND dovecot References: <20150216014138.GA3046@athena.barrera.io> In-Reply-To: <20150216014138.GA3046@athena.barrera.io> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 03:09:48 -0000 Do you have the CA certificates installed? The easiest way is to install the port _security/ca_root_nss_ . Then it should be in /usr/local/share/certs. If you are using self signed certs you will need to make sure SSL can find your own CA root certs. There is also an option to tell Dovecot to use the certificates, but not validate the identity, so it will still encrypt, but is subject to possible MITM attac= k. -M On 2015-02-15 6:41 PM, Hugo Osvaldo Barrera wrote: > Hi, > > I've been tasked with setting up a FreeBSD-based email server, with ope= nsmtpd > and dovecot. > > I've come across an issue with both, giving an error stating "fatal acc= ess > denied" when attempting to initiate TLS connectiong. > > The certificates work fine on a test OpenBSD host, so they're not the i= ssue. > I'm amused that both dovecot *and* opensmtpd show almost identical issu= e, and > suspect that something openssl related might be broken. > > Dovecot > ------- > > =3D=3D> /var/log/debug.log <=3D=3D > Feb 16 01:33:55 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: elliptic curv= e secp384r1 will be used for ECDH and ECDHE key exchanges > Feb 16 01:33:55 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: elliptic curv= e secp384r1 will be used for ECDH and ECDHE key exchanges > Feb 16 01:33:55 hydrogen dovecot: auth: Debug: Loading modules from dir= ectory: /usr/local/lib/dovecot/auth > Feb 16 01:33:55 hydrogen dovecot: auth: Debug: Wrote new auth token sec= ret to /var/run/dovecot/auth-token-secret.dat > Feb 16 01:33:55 hydrogen dovecot: auth: Debug: passwd-file /usr/local/e= tc/dovecot/users: Read 5 users in 0 secs > Feb 16 01:33:55 hydrogen dovecot: auth: Debug: auth client connected (p= id=3D94662) > Feb 16 01:33:55 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x10,= ret=3D1: before/accept initialization [190.210.108.249] > Feb 16 01:33:55 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x200= 1, ret=3D1: before/accept initialization [190.210.108.249] > Feb 16 01:33:55 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x200= 2, ret=3D-1: SSLv2/v3 read client hello A [190.210.108.249] > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x200= 1, ret=3D1: SSLv3 read client hello A [190.210.108.249] > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x200= 1, ret=3D1: SSLv3 write server hello A [190.210.108.249] > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x200= 1, ret=3D1: SSLv3 write certificate A [190.210.108.249] > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x200= 1, ret=3D1: SSLv3 write key exchange A [190.210.108.249] > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x200= 1, ret=3D1: SSLv3 write server done A [190.210.108.249] > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x200= 1, ret=3D1: SSLv3 flush data [190.210.108.249] > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x200= 2, ret=3D-1: SSLv3 read client certificate A [190.210.108.249] > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x200= 2, ret=3D-1: SSLv3 read client certificate A [190.210.108.249] > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x200= 1, ret=3D1: SSLv3 read client key exchange A [190.210.108.249] > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x200= 1, ret=3D1: SSLv3 read finished A [190.210.108.249] > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x200= 1, ret=3D1: SSLv3 write session ticket A [190.210.108.249] > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x200= 1, ret=3D1: SSLv3 write change cipher spec A [190.210.108.249] > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x200= 1, ret=3D1: SSLv3 write finished A [190.210.108.249] > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x200= 1, ret=3D1: SSLv3 flush data [190.210.108.249] > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x20,= ret=3D1: SSL negotiation finished successfully [190.210.108.249] > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x200= 2, ret=3D1: SSL negotiation finished successfully [190.210.108.249] > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL alert: close n= otify [190.210.108.249] > > =3D=3D> /var/log/maillog <=3D=3D > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Warning: SSL alert: where= =3D0x4004, ret=3D561: fatal access denied [190.210.108.249] > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Disconnected (no auth att= empts in 1 secs): user=3D<>, rip=3D190.210.108.249, lip=3D104.236.123.233= , TLS, session=3D > > Opensmtpd > --------- > > debug: smtp: new client on listener: 0x8024eb000 > smtp-in: New session 6f9022aa19efcad6 from host athena.barrera.io [190.= 210.108.249] > debug: lka: looking up pki "mail.asteq.com.ar" > debug: session_start_ssl: switching to SSL > debug: pony: rsae_priv_enc > debug: SSL library error: io_dispatch_accept_ssl:SSL_accept: error:1409= 4419:SSL routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES:tlsv1 alert access denied > smtp-in: Disconnecting session 6f9022aa19efcad6: IO error: error:140944= 19:SSL routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES:tlsv1 alert access denied > debug: smtp: 0x802501000: deleting session: IO error > > > Some details: > > * Certificate file modes can't be an issue because both services start = as root. > smtpd actually demands that the files are at most mode 700 and owned = by 0:0. > * I've checked the certificates and keys and they look fine. I tried an= other > self-generated pair too. > * FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE-p5. > * dovecot2-2.2.15_3 from packages > * Tried both opensmtpd-5.4.4,1 and opensmtpd-devel-201502012312. > * Certificates were generated with "openssl genrsa -out ssl.key 4096". > * The original certificates (I later tried self-signed) were signed by > StartSSL. > * Debugging is set to the maximum on both daemons. Dovecot only actuall= y spat > the error after I increased logging verbosity quite a bit. > > Any hints? Has anyone come across similar issues? Searching online for = this > issue got me now-where. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 16 04:01:57 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 12D9133B for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 04:01:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from elysion.barrera.io (unknown [IPv6:2607:f2f8:a520::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D630432A for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 04:01:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from elysion.barrera.io (localhost [127.0.0.1]); by elysion.barrera.io (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id f90e5bfb; for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 04:01:52 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=barrera.io; h=date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type :in-reply-to; s=elysion; bh=stz+N1CRyiWftNcj8cgOnxHD3pw=; b=YpUt RO6C4BBEliI/5IyK1rhNRfBo61ST5FUm9LIy82oAxJ5fmvK6pN8c8/u8swEdZmsl IcPXt3jvYcApx2WBGtHbO+y8+x1dHmpCNjV53n4mAb+MyGYIdv4njgEszLz7gQFT gMT35csGi199keOgnrvhpMuZA53L+7f8Q3SpNamHlj5X+h/BCbIYqPcuzO4VX/NN qy5vPgBAxD1qicL7GWvNWhLD0lsPGGzxJinrJUv0dJbNQ9dR2JZJ3tuxYWUHJB3i +5UHYa9F94UoFoF65VInDpOiXqc2np3YQeBG4wPzvfMtqWUNBsVuQV7TazWdCGln SUdSUXsELcOe/pVUDg== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=barrera.io; h=date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type :in-reply-to; q=dns; s=elysion; b=f4eWjwIjWKJxgh+FHnoCfP3ZdPSd80 iL3loYJK2VrEEZUM2Zx7QInxBDJCshpL4QCAlvHr0StEhzFcHHWD9mdkpdH5jQjB 7ENCU7qjPj33wuDA6dVGL9d+32k8LaPrqNo6meu0GVS1WD1dDNQhJh2K0z28c0aP Z9IvjYI9D/JrE9IHWQ1owFU8d3Vbp/ssfIJpyEUVcI8JSzzrLMogxg53DUqxRIrE aB1QiatQMTyI3heQt0tZJV4K5T5A3EmsNMzdkw8lmr9CQzMmVqCgVmWs1FRwHOM8 eNn1+93OdEcDi6A32+FarwhgNV3nvfF8tDDDdQFFLPgXJ863r2fA3tcA== Received: from athena.barrera.io (2800:40:7aa:1:bae8:56ff:fe18:7bf6 [IPv6:2800:40:7aa:1:bae8:56ff:fe18:7bf6]); by smtp.barrera.io (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 026021d1; TLS version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO; for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 04:01:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from athena.barrera.io (athena.barrera.io [IPv6:::1]); by athena.barrera.io (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 22e3c3e9; for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 04:02:04 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 01:02:04 -0300 From: Hugo Osvaldo Barrera To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SSL: fatal access denied with opensmtp AND dovecot Message-ID: <20150216040204.GA11978@athena.barrera.io> References: <20150216014138.GA3046@athena.barrera.io> <54E15D00.8060303@corp.ssimicro.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <54E15D00.8060303@corp.ssimicro.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23.1-rc1 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 04:01:57 -0000 --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2015-02-15 19:59, markham breitbach wrote: > Do you have the CA certificates installed? The easiest way is to > install the port _security/ca_root_nss_ > . Then it should be > in /usr/local/share/certs. If you are using self signed certs you will > need to make sure SSL can find your own CA root certs. There is also an > option to tell Dovecot to use the certificates, but not validate the > identity, so it will still encrypt, but is subject to possible MITM attac= k. >=20 > -M >=20 I already have ca_root_nss installed: $ pkg info | grep nss ca_root_nss-3.17.4_1 Root certificate bundle from the Mozilla= Project openssl-1.0.1_18 SSL and crypto library Additionally, I'm only using a server certificate. I'm using one signed by StartSSL, my self-signed signature was to discard anything funny with the certificates being the issue (though I also discarted that by trying them elsewhere). I'm *not* using TLS to validate client-side certificates (which would more obviously require proper CA certificates installed on my side). Thanks, > On 2015-02-15 6:41 PM, Hugo Osvaldo Barrera wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I've been tasked with setting up a FreeBSD-based email server, with ope= nsmtpd > > and dovecot. > > > > I've come across an issue with both, giving an error stating "fatal acc= ess > > denied" when attempting to initiate TLS connectiong. > > > > The certificates work fine on a test OpenBSD host, so they're not the i= ssue. > > I'm amused that both dovecot *and* opensmtpd show almost identical issu= e, and > > suspect that something openssl related might be broken. > > > > Dovecot > > ------- > > > > =3D=3D> /var/log/debug.log <=3D=3D > > Feb 16 01:33:55 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: elliptic curv= e secp384r1 will be used for ECDH and ECDHE key exchanges > > Feb 16 01:33:55 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: elliptic curv= e secp384r1 will be used for ECDH and ECDHE key exchanges > > Feb 16 01:33:55 hydrogen dovecot: auth: Debug: Loading modules from dir= ectory: /usr/local/lib/dovecot/auth > > Feb 16 01:33:55 hydrogen dovecot: auth: Debug: Wrote new auth token sec= ret to /var/run/dovecot/auth-token-secret.dat > > Feb 16 01:33:55 hydrogen dovecot: auth: Debug: passwd-file /usr/local/e= tc/dovecot/users: Read 5 users in 0 secs > > Feb 16 01:33:55 hydrogen dovecot: auth: Debug: auth client connected (p= id=3D94662) > > Feb 16 01:33:55 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x10,= ret=3D1: before/accept initialization [190.210.108.249] > > Feb 16 01:33:55 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x200= 1, ret=3D1: before/accept initialization [190.210.108.249] > > Feb 16 01:33:55 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x200= 2, ret=3D-1: SSLv2/v3 read client hello A [190.210.108.249] > > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x200= 1, ret=3D1: SSLv3 read client hello A [190.210.108.249] > > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x200= 1, ret=3D1: SSLv3 write server hello A [190.210.108.249] > > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x200= 1, ret=3D1: SSLv3 write certificate A [190.210.108.249] > > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x200= 1, ret=3D1: SSLv3 write key exchange A [190.210.108.249] > > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x200= 1, ret=3D1: SSLv3 write server done A [190.210.108.249] > > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x200= 1, ret=3D1: SSLv3 flush data [190.210.108.249] > > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x200= 2, ret=3D-1: SSLv3 read client certificate A [190.210.108.249] > > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x200= 2, ret=3D-1: SSLv3 read client certificate A [190.210.108.249] > > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x200= 1, ret=3D1: SSLv3 read client key exchange A [190.210.108.249] > > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x200= 1, ret=3D1: SSLv3 read finished A [190.210.108.249] > > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x200= 1, ret=3D1: SSLv3 write session ticket A [190.210.108.249] > > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x200= 1, ret=3D1: SSLv3 write change cipher spec A [190.210.108.249] > > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x200= 1, ret=3D1: SSLv3 write finished A [190.210.108.249] > > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x200= 1, ret=3D1: SSLv3 flush data [190.210.108.249] > > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x20,= ret=3D1: SSL negotiation finished successfully [190.210.108.249] > > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL: where=3D0x200= 2, ret=3D1: SSL negotiation finished successfully [190.210.108.249] > > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Debug: SSL alert: close n= otify [190.210.108.249] > > > > =3D=3D> /var/log/maillog <=3D=3D > > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Warning: SSL alert: where= =3D0x4004, ret=3D561: fatal access denied [190.210.108.249] > > Feb 16 01:33:56 hydrogen dovecot: imap-login: Disconnected (no auth att= empts in 1 secs): user=3D<>, rip=3D190.210.108.249, lip=3D104.236.123.233, = TLS, session=3D > > > > Opensmtpd > > --------- > > > > debug: smtp: new client on listener: 0x8024eb000 > > smtp-in: New session 6f9022aa19efcad6 from host athena.barrera.io [190.= 210.108.249] > > debug: lka: looking up pki "mail.asteq.com.ar" > > debug: session_start_ssl: switching to SSL > > debug: pony: rsae_priv_enc > > debug: SSL library error: io_dispatch_accept_ssl:SSL_accept: error:1409= 4419:SSL routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES:tlsv1 alert access denied > > smtp-in: Disconnecting session 6f9022aa19efcad6: IO error: error:140944= 19:SSL routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES:tlsv1 alert access denied > > debug: smtp: 0x802501000: deleting session: IO error > > > > > > Some details: > > > > * Certificate file modes can't be an issue because both services start = as root. > > smtpd actually demands that the files are at most mode 700 and owned = by 0:0. > > * I've checked the certificates and keys and they look fine. I tried an= other > > self-generated pair too. > > * FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE-p5. > > * dovecot2-2.2.15_3 from packages > > * Tried both opensmtpd-5.4.4,1 and opensmtpd-devel-201502012312. > > * Certificates were generated with "openssl genrsa -out ssl.key 4096". > > * The original certificates (I later tried self-signed) were signed by > > StartSSL. > > * Debugging is set to the maximum on both daemons. Dovecot only actuall= y spat > > the error after I increased logging verbosity quite a bit. > > > > Any hints? Has anyone come across similar issues? Searching online for = this > > issue got me now-where. > > >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" --=20 Hugo Osvaldo Barrera A: Because we read from top to bottom, left to right. Q: Why should I start my reply below the quoted text? --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAABCAAGBQJU4Wu8AAoJEG+f/xIrmMDN9h4P+wQG9c5RX9lJn++wemX8nYwb 9lWoKSfCRO9lBC+QAEY5KPW7+x0pYZOGG6bbpUD5on3UaV3S75/B6osrC5qNkPMi DVGZ4f9f56YI8xHKo5vSmtqbjTBtzk7fkZ5HK0AZFS7W3GFNnuaTHPy3KoI4wafm odz/vXZ4B4p1Pk9Kp/G4BeIiq8wv4axJa0CRQp8d5JelrBHbWoaftTe9faSUfWYZ JFbcAPL6U51k5JcU/kTnWgOKamjOPDAVUdv46pEl5wcKM0fIM+tNHokTUz58xeEd 30KChYRbxceXaXThpozQjqG2LiJwpjFC75N2WyYggmjdN0Sh5xV2wwi/TqTwHnwb reRMlDV853yvhubi/9Jxzgc7HGodq1w2bx+mzwufREpn/3vt0eXb1yQixaaocYEN IFz2RojuafAic4aqvhH94QSiZ778MISFUDR038SX4EBqc1SPCrlX5In4yJ/ipHKn Aw1/QTCY25ORDXhjslrpu+PJS4kgC7ImUuxSOrrjG9It9cqJ20pOeqvfNodjn9uE 7HeEFAFT68xfhqcFCaqhq6i1MBMYR/8LpkD3oRCNYLNd6MytPmOweoG/yv/GWwYf 0Jk5RzrE8aN2xAMrMywCzROPJdBnyN4lJdvNfC/CgW2qhjAm2u+jlckTC2VN+R2q m0ccPyBaHsjealyf/cy/ =n6RR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 16 07:24:01 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6506A520 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 07:24:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from trent.utfs.org (trent.utfs.org [IPv6:2a03:3680:0:3::67]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1EB0AADE for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 07:24:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by trent.utfs.org (Postfix, from userid 8) id 581BF3DCD8; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 08:23:56 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on trent.utfs.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=2.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from trent.utfs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by trent.utfs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6633DB7F for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 08:23:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by trent.utfs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23DB33DABF for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 08:23:55 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 23:23:55 -0800 (PST) From: Christian Kujau To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 10.1 crashing under load In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.19.4 (DEB 40 2013-11-18) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP (127.0.0.1 at Mon Feb 16 08:23:55 2015 +0100 (CET)) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 07:24:01 -0000 On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 at 00:41, Christian Kujau wrote: > Hi, > > I have a Lenovo Ideapad S10 netbook running FreeBSD 10.1-p5 and > ever since I switched from Linux Fedora to FreeBSD the system crashes > regularly when the system is under a bit of load :-\ > > This netbook is operated in a headless mode, so I'm not using Wifi, > Bluetooth or other fancy hardware features this netbook might have, only > the system's disk and ethernet. > > I've put a few more details below, but what I wanted to ask is: are there > any flags to set in FreeBSD so that it's more chatty when it crashes? > Right now the system just reboots but leaves nothing in the system log as > to _why_ it crashed. I've configured a crash dump device as per [0] but no > crash dump is ever taken. I'm running with encrypted swap (via GELI), > maybe crashdumping doesn't work with encrypted swap? > > I tried to set ddb_enable=YES in rc.conf but the standard kernel doesn't > appear to have debugging enabled: > > # /etc/rc.d/ddb start > /etc/rc.d/ddb: WARNING: failed precmd routine for ddb > > # sysctl debug.ddb.scripting.scripts > sysctl: unknown oid 'debug.ddb.scripting.scripts': No such file or directory > > I don't have a serial console for this machine. > > Does anybody have any hints to to debug this thing? I haven't touched any > boot parameters yet, anybody got a hint which knob to turn there? ...anyone? > > Thanks, > Christian. > > [0] https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/developers-handbook/kerneldebug.html > > $ kldstat > Id Refs Address Size Name > 1 28 0xc0400000 13a367c kernel > 2 1 0xc606c000 12000 geom_eli.ko > 3 1 0xc607f000 22000 crypto.ko > 4 1 0xc5f7b000 4000 fdescfs.ko > 5 1 0xc628a000 8000 linprocfs.ko > 6 2 0xc629e000 4a000 linux.ko > 7 1 0xc6298000 3000 linsysfs.ko > 8 1 0xc61b9000 2000 blank_saver.ko > 9 1 0xc68c4000 5000 nullfs.ko > > The only "exotic" part here is the enabled Linux compatibility: I'm > running a (headless) sysutils/linux-crashplan installation on this system > but for some reason it's not running with a native FreeBSD JRE but needs > java/linux-sun-jre17 to work. > > When running, this spawns some ~40 java processes that can be quite > active on both CPU and network & disk I/O. It uses a lot of memory too > and the machine does only have 1GB of physical memory (+1GB swap) but even > if the application would use too much memory I'd expect the application to > crash, not the whole system. The following is from "top -b" right before > the machine crashed: > > =================================================================== > 97 processes: 1 running, 96 sleeping > Mem: 57M Active, 630M Inact, 281M Wired, 3104K Cache, 176M Buf, 6808K Free > Swap: 1024M Total, 92M Used, 932M Free, 8% Inuse > > PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU > COMMAND > 91068 crashplan 1 52 19 1179M 69228K biord 0 0:21 36.18% java > 24505 crashplan 1 40 19 1179M 69228K futex 1 11:13 0.78% java > 24509 crashplan 1 40 19 1179M 69228K futex 0 0:10 0.49% java > 40623 crashplan 1 39 19 1179M 69228K futex 1 179:40 0.00% java > 5750 chrisk 1 20 0 15144K 2744K select 0 39:18 0.00% screen > 5764 root 1 52 0 11048K 1276K wait 0 35:42 0.00% bash > =================================================================== > > > > -- > BOFH excuse #236: > > Fanout dropping voltage too much, try cutting some of those little traces > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- BOFH excuse #11: magnetic interference from money/credit cards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 16 10:51:39 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1BAF595 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 10:51:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtprelay05.ispgateway.de (smtprelay05.ispgateway.de [80.67.31.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E0C83D9 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 10:51:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [78.35.128.6] (helo=fabiankeil.de) by smtprelay05.ispgateway.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1YNJGz-0007mX-I2 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 11:51:29 +0100 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 11:51:37 +0100 From: Fabian Keil To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 10.1 crashing under load Message-ID: <4e9beab4.5e4e3963@fabiankeil.de> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Sig_/.9/WSbak48Tb1gv4A5ASu=Y"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Df-Sender: Nzc1MDY3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 10:51:40 -0000 --Sig_/.9/WSbak48Tb1gv4A5ASu=Y Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Christian Kujau wrote: > I have a Lenovo Ideapad S10 netbook running FreeBSD 10.1-p5 and=20 > ever since I switched from Linux Fedora to FreeBSD the system crashes=20 > regularly when the system is under a bit of load :-\ >=20 > This netbook is operated in a headless mode, so I'm not using Wifi,=20 > Bluetooth or other fancy hardware features this netbook might have, only= =20 > the system's disk and ethernet. >=20 > I've put a few more details below, but what I wanted to ask is: are there= =20 > any flags to set in FreeBSD so that it's more chatty when it crashes?=20 Using a kernel with WITNESS and INVARIANTS sometimes results in the problem being caught earlier. > Right now the system just reboots but leaves nothing in the system log as= =20 > to _why_ it crashed. I've configured a crash dump device as per [0] but n= o=20 > crash dump is ever taken. I'm running with encrypted swap (via GELI),=20 > maybe crashdumping doesn't work with encrypted swap? IIRC it's not officially supported but you can dump on the device below the geli layer: fk@r500 ~ $swapinfo=20 Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity /dev/ada0s1b.eli 2097152 0 2097152 0% fk@r500 ~ $dumpon -l ada0s1b Saving the dump automatically after boot doesn't work (for me), but "service savecore start" works after "swapoff -a". Obviously such a configuration is not without risks, especially if you forget to overwrite the dump dev after saving the core. > When running, this spawns some ~40 java processes that can be quite > active on both CPU and network & disk I/O. It uses a lot of memory too > and the machine does only have 1GB of physical memory (+1GB swap) but even > if the application would use too much memory I'd expect the application to > crash, not the whole system. The following is from "top -b" right before > the machine crashed: Maybe you need to play with vm.overcommit for details see tuning(7). Fabian --Sig_/.9/WSbak48Tb1gv4A5ASu=Y Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlThy7YACgkQBYqIVf93VJ3qjACdFUjpm3Yx/j5TNxHYukEzUI/j 7jQAoLcBdQAc4TnHOmfBdTuSJH6ZQwtP =+7wm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/.9/WSbak48Tb1gv4A5ASu=Y-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 16 13:27:09 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 978684E2 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 13:27:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server949-han.de-nserver.de (server949-han.de-nserver.de [77.75.250.185]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1C5E85A for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 13:27:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 29076 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2015 14:26:58 +0100 X-Fcrdns: Yes Received: from dslb-094-218-010-244.094.218.pools.vodafone-ip.de (HELO midgard.local) (94.218.10.244) (smtp-auth username konstantin@schukraft.org, mechanism plain) by server949-han.de-nserver.de (qpsmtpd/0.92) with (ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) ESMTPSA; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 14:26:58 +0100 Message-ID: <54E1F020.8040107@schukraft.org> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 14:26:56 +0100 From: Konstantin Schukraft User-Agent: "" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: current status RE: "File name too long" issues Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-User-Auth: Auth by konstantin@schukraft.org through 94.218.10.244 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 13:27:09 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hi, this seems a rather old issue that's still alive, manifesting in NFS mounts, nullfs mounts with jails, etc: "Overly" long path names in these situations result in an error like "mount_nullfs: : File name too long". I, for example, run into this every time I try to setup a poudriere jail, others seem too. Since the forums didn't really provide an answer, I'll ask here: Is there work currently being done on this issue? Because this reply: https://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=210593+0+/usr/local/www/db/text/2014/freebsd-questions/20141221.freebsd-questions seems to indicate this has been fixed, which definitely isn't the case for many people, including myself. So what's the status on that? Am I overlooking something important? Thank you, Konstantin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJU4fAdAAoJEH3raMNeVmMF1rgP/jUrM0Lqx7CCZ4qEa8d7zb2b vbj433dVWcJiVyATsQarqO8dum8Unv2UisUeiyukc/j1DtagXIzEe34zH+S9vvD0 Jy/K4Bdz75mzGQLt2kbexEqVxdXk4Xf7kymAjgFkx3gb1h+7o4/OcmJflEBJnwz0 bxBlVM5Xu0F4VNwfUL8owfQRBcyjtP4iHBxY19Qobm8fGs7sDOpwi5mriZXgr4RH 4VHI/gtRacf0RVVLKGgSxLrHUOD4oCuEM345aBHSUyp+yPRIRzkAfC90EdNkUTLO +QntlGKW0By4A0xvIJroRH28XMOwCt7fnDf3UK41CKqghR56xdwb4WvrNW/HDbJz /Ns6fcR9IkeZiYxU9IubrX9r78ZnPu7XdtVdqFkndBD4jb0/jq3PKFNQTXtQ0cyn cMYOykkY6wfg4m+evYFJggfsSdnFsTq3TDeQPYglByHEiM5tMFrVbSdz21HcGOJL Y5U7cT/nY3aUJ8Z6o1I9vFgCwj5HuT6Gq38bQXfMthspeeRII4jvXRAfPhFWxWBn vqSb/djATBEzg51Xf8jr7hx++BXkj2adYATd+eUBAvuNWZYkDDdfBlCqTDTr0tmQ DhUvOvdedtiiDKQM0zeLMzQWg44QhznJlmfQLW9iQ4B9WvfaYDR+ZN+3lSMvzOmY NgGfElzi2CFBF+in/HV5 =pgRh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 16 18:07:22 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 104DEA76 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 18:07:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from trent.utfs.org (trent.utfs.org [IPv6:2a03:3680:0:3::67]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE1DAA63 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 18:07:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by trent.utfs.org (Postfix, from userid 8) id 94A353DCD8; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 19:07:17 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on trent.utfs.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=2.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from trent.utfs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by trent.utfs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D5C83DB7F; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 19:07:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by trent.utfs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9F33DABF; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 19:07:16 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 10:07:16 -0800 (PST) From: Christian Kujau To: Fabian Keil Subject: Re: FreeBSD 10.1 crashing under load In-Reply-To: <4e9beab4.5e4e3963@fabiankeil.de> Message-ID: References: <4e9beab4.5e4e3963@fabiankeil.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.19.4 (DEB 40 2013-11-18) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP (127.0.0.1 at Mon Feb 16 19:07:16 2015 +0100 (CET)) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 18:07:22 -0000 On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 at 11:51, Fabian Keil wrote: > Using a kernel with WITNESS and INVARIANTS sometimes results in > the problem being caught earlier. Hm, I had hoped not to have to recompile the kernel for this, but maybe that's the way to go. I'll look into that, thanks. > IIRC it's not officially supported but you can dump on the device > below the geli layer: > > fk@r500 ~ $swapinfo > Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity > /dev/ada0s1b.eli 2097152 0 2097152 0% > fk@r500 ~ $dumpon -l > ada0s1b (FreeBSD n00b here): indeed, even with dumpdev="AUTO", "dumpon -l" reported /dev/null - I've set this manually to my encrypted swap device now and wait for the next boot. The last involuntary reboot was just a few hours ago, the last known state was: > Mem: 70M Active, 663M Inact, 208M Wired, 4508K Cache, 87M Buf, 32M Free > Swap: 1024M Total, 88M Used, 936M Free, 8% Inuse > Maybe you need to play with vm.overcommit for details see tuning(7). vm.overcommit was set to 0 by default and I would've assumed that this is sufficient: > Setting bit 0 of the vm.overcommit sysctl causes the virtual memory > system to return failure to the process when allocation of memory causes > vm.swap_reserved to exceed vm.swap_total. But instead of one process crashing, the whole machine crashes. I've set it to 2 now and will see if it helps anything. Thanks for your input, Christian. -- BOFH excuse #78: Yes, yes, its called a design limitation From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 16 19:47:45 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20B66E7D for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 19:47:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-f51.google.com (mail-pa0-f51.google.com [209.85.220.51]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E905A770 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 19:47:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pabkx10 with SMTP id kx10so599280pab.13 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 11:47:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=1vtF6Ur3aTjC3XpHdTVO/qvM/ZwDpI+VzNZZ/rD4PjA=; b=xZUmTJz1jJENWFnl21PmJz/QzbPZ7pEysLnnec+bC7WMKcKsmL3BZjIdbB0hhFIVP6 Yi2apIQZwiNqJNCsYkSGwX3xXtTYTDyq6yYU/lpLsQhL53EV18ov7LYobdoSWsIZlbBw wNcmFcAZFwz3KYYFqxAmvOZVsrB681EgUHNYbkx72LwlaHjbauYu2kO229h+P+nyMVC5 TcTxDh9SA1Qftof4HmZB1qmDT21g5KQFgfmRHDZ22nYCpG/9FF4qTk/lxTnsIAR5eo4Z jJPHaXMd7gov1GqKUUCV8Mg33U1+vW69UvDvbVAzkVgIGxn5ppwc8AkcXaQg5/sFCcQD hNlw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.70.132.129 with SMTP id ou1mr43178051pdb.162.1424116058151; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 11:47:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.110.134 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 11:47:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 13:47:38 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD 10.1 crashing under load From: Adam Vande More To: Christian Kujau Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 19:47:45 -0000 On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 2:41 AM, Christian Kujau wrote: > Hi, > > I have a Lenovo Ideapad S10 netbook running FreeBSD 10.1-p5 and > ever since I switched from Linux Fedora to FreeBSD the system crashes > regularly when the system is under a bit of load :-\ > > This netbook is operated in a headless mode, so I'm not using Wifi, > Bluetooth or other fancy hardware features this netbook might have, only > the system's disk and ethernet. > > I've put a few more details below, but what I wanted to ask is: are there > any flags to set in FreeBSD so that it's more chatty when it crashes? > Right now the system just reboots but leaves nothing in the system log as > to _why_ it crashed. I've configured a crash dump device as per [0] but no > crash dump is ever taken. I'm running with encrypted swap (via GELI), > maybe crashdumping doesn't work with encrypted swap? > > I tried to set ddb_enable=YES in rc.conf but the standard kernel doesn't > appear to have debugging enabled: > > # /etc/rc.d/ddb start > /etc/rc.d/ddb: WARNING: failed precmd routine for ddb > > # sysctl debug.ddb.scripting.scripts > sysctl: unknown oid 'debug.ddb.scripting.scripts': No such file or > directory > > I don't have a serial console for this machine. > > Does anybody have any hints to to debug this thing? I haven't touched any > boot parameters yet, anybody got a hint which knob to turn there? > > Thanks, > Christian. > > [0] > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/developers-handbook/kerneldebug.html > > $ kldstat > Id Refs Address Size Name > 1 28 0xc0400000 13a367c kernel > 2 1 0xc606c000 12000 geom_eli.ko > 3 1 0xc607f000 22000 crypto.ko > 4 1 0xc5f7b000 4000 fdescfs.ko > 5 1 0xc628a000 8000 linprocfs.ko > 6 2 0xc629e000 4a000 linux.ko > 7 1 0xc6298000 3000 linsysfs.ko > 8 1 0xc61b9000 2000 blank_saver.ko > 9 1 0xc68c4000 5000 nullfs.ko > > The only "exotic" part here is the enabled Linux compatibility: I'm > running a (headless) sysutils/linux-crashplan installation on this system > but for some reason it's not running with a native FreeBSD JRE but needs > java/linux-sun-jre17 to work. > > When running, this spawns some ~40 java processes that can be quite > active on both CPU and network & disk I/O. It uses a lot of memory too > and the machine does only have 1GB of physical memory (+1GB swap) but even > if the application would use too much memory I'd expect the application to > crash, not the whole system. The following is from "top -b" right before > the machine crashed: > > =================================================================== > 97 processes: 1 running, 96 sleeping > Mem: 57M Active, 630M Inact, 281M Wired, 3104K Cache, 176M Buf, 6808K Free > Swap: 1024M Total, 92M Used, 932M Free, 8% Inuse > > PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU > COMMAND > 91068 crashplan 1 52 19 1179M 69228K biord 0 0:21 36.18% java > 24505 crashplan 1 40 19 1179M 69228K futex 1 11:13 0.78% java > 24509 crashplan 1 40 19 1179M 69228K futex 0 0:10 0.49% java > 40623 crashplan 1 39 19 1179M 69228K futex 1 179:40 0.00% java > 5750 chrisk 1 20 0 15144K 2744K select 0 39:18 0.00% > screen > 5764 root 1 52 0 11048K 1276K wait 0 35:42 0.00% bash > =================================================================== > If you have a kernel w/ debugging enabled, you can set sysctl debug.debugger_on_panic=1 -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 16 21:58:28 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5CFCC25F for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 21:58:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qg0-x233.google.com (mail-qg0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 115C6895 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 21:58:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qg0-f51.google.com with SMTP id z60so25297329qgd.10 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 13:58:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-type; bh=tHYkIHwk23DbrpkBCrDQ+AdmCUX4FAOyWdOLzjZ7t50=; b=iZNC5HYx/ATC/u9PrRR06ZxS1YVOWMCobCka9N9iWmBwxF5I1LrATpuzvoadgnTyCZ O9Gu6VKPE/mCIyF3dNA6kYiPVn+yxPfJeT0u3CbgHkAxQGQbjscM/N0I3XncEIqK9glk m3l9QeK6ItS1TQ73m4QxP7vExVvdJjV3gp07yQ6zvwY6Q2252UOfjQelXYU3h4ZFKerX MIp3COrqhHr9O7LJKWCOOY+iVGOcPbei/F3Nix1GhATOM7llYobtSqx9G6C9dIs0ciiO N3BzFm5bTRh3V6lF9tYQ5S4HFkSdhvLseDPjTF4g0nlrKUoe5Q6sIvC0IIxbeHNxnmQ3 WMEg== X-Received: by 10.140.192.133 with SMTP id n127mr274055qha.1.1424123907255; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 13:58:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from lumiwa.farms.net (pool-70-16-202-159.man.east.myfairpoint.net. [70.16.202.159]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 76sm4545010qhs.5.2015.02.16.13.58.26 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 16 Feb 2015 13:58:26 -0800 (PST) From: ajtiM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: lumiwa@gmail.com Subject: console-kit Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 16:58:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1763464.A56ePAFZDE@lumiwa.farms.net> User-Agent: KMail/4.14.3 (FreeBSD/10.1-RELEASE-p5; KDE/4.14.3; amd64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 21:58:28 -0000 Hi! My system: FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE-p5 #0: Tue Jan 27 08:55:07 UTC 2015 root@amd64- builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 I have in /var/log/messages: Feb 16 09:36:35 lumiwa console-kit-daemon[986]: WARNING: Error waiting for native console 1 activation: Device not config ured Feb 16 09:37:32 lumiwa login: ROOT LOGIN (root) ON ttyv1 Feb 16 09:37:56 lumiwa console-kit-daemon[986]: WARNING: Error waiting for native console 1 activation: Device not config ured Feb 16 09:37:56 lumiwa console-kit-daemon[986]: WARNING: Error waiting for native console 2 activation: Device not configured I never did any configuration before and I don't remember this error/warning. Please, help me. Thanks in advance. -- ajtiM -------- http://www.redbubble.com/people/lumiwa https://www.facebook.com/pages/Lumiwa-FARM/775292915882930 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 16 22:12:27 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE07F615 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 22:12:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7670BA51 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 22:12:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YNTto-0005bu-5b for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 23:12:16 +0100 Received: from 63-245-179-205.ip.mtelco.net ([63-245-179-205.ip.mtelco.net]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 23:12:16 +0100 Received: from jgoerzen by 63-245-179-205.ip.mtelco.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 23:12:16 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: John Goerzen Subject: pkg audit finds updates, but pkg upgrade doesn't Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 22:12:01 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 40 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 63.245.179.205 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/31.0 Iceweasel/31.4.0) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 22:12:27 -0000 Hello, So this is a bit of an odd one. Is this a bug, or am I missing something? So I ran pkg audit today, and got this: root@freebsd-laptop:~ # pkg audit -F pkg: vulnxml file up-to-date xorg-server-1.14.7_1,1 is vulnerable: xorg-server -- Information leak in the XkbSetGeometry request of X servers. CVE: CVE-2015-0255 WWW: http://vuxml.FreeBSD.org/freebsd/54a69cf7-b2ef-11e4-b1f1-bcaec565249c.html 1 problem(s) in the installed packages found. OK, so far so good, right? I need a new xorg-server. But: root@freebsd-laptop:~ # pkg update Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue... FreeBSD repository is up-to-date. All repositories are up-to-date. root@freebsd-laptop:~ # pkg upgrade Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue... FreeBSD repository is up-to-date. All repositories are up-to-date. Checking for upgrades (1 candidates): 100% Processing candidates (1 candidates): 100% Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting) Your packages are up to date. Hmm. I can repeat these commands as often as I like, and still I get the same thing: xorg-server is vulnerable, but my packages are up-to-date. That issue has been in FreeBSD's vulnerability database for almost a week, so presumably I'm not just seeing mirror lag or something here. Any ideas? Thanks, John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 16 22:48:05 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 998C138A for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 22:48:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from avasout07.plus.net (avasout07.plus.net [84.93.230.235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Bizanga Labs SMTP Client Certificate", Issuer "Bizanga Labs CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D316DB6 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 22:48:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from curlew.milibyte.co.uk ([84.92.153.232]) by avasout07 with smtp id tAnu1p003516WCc01Anv9L; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 22:47:56 +0000 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=TqhohVnh c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=lfSX4pPLp9EkufIcToJk/A==:117 a=lfSX4pPLp9EkufIcToJk/A==:17 a=D7rCoLxHAAAA:8 a=0Bzu9jTXAAAA:8 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=0HtSIViG9nkA:10 a=SuFOw32sAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=yMSE5CulKhmH4ELKRpAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Received: from curlew.lan ([192.168.1.13]) by curlew.milibyte.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1YNUSH-0002eU-Mj; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 22:47:54 +0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 22:47:53 +0000 From: Mike Clarke To: John Goerzen Message-ID: <20150216224753.73143297@curlew.lan> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.1.13 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on curlew.lan X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Subject: Re: pkg audit finds updates, but pkg upgrade doesn't Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on curlew.milibyte.co.uk) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 22:48:05 -0000 On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 22:12:01 +0000 (UTC) John Goerzen wrote: > Hmm. I can repeat these commands as often as I like, and still I get the > same thing: xorg-server is vulnerable, but my packages are up-to-date. That > issue has been in FreeBSD's vulnerability database for almost a week, so > presumably I'm not just seeing mirror lag or something here. xorg-server was modified on Thursday Feb 12th at 19:58:41 to fix this vulnerability . The latest package builds started on Wednesday 11th and . It looks like they all used snapshots from before the new version was available except for 84i386-default and 84amd64-default. The next package build should start in a couple of days time on Wednesday 18th. -- Mike Clarke From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 16 23:22:33 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 284116CC for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 23:22:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3F39173 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 23:22:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YNUzk-0000S8-Fz for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 00:22:29 +0100 Received: from 63-245-179-205.ip.mtelco.net ([63-245-179-205.ip.mtelco.net]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 00:22:28 +0100 Received: from jgoerzen by 63-245-179-205.ip.mtelco.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 00:22:28 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: John Goerzen Subject: Re: pkg audit finds updates, but pkg upgrade doesn't Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 23:22:21 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <20150216224753.73143297@curlew.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 63.245.179.205 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/31.0 Iceweasel/31.4.0) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 23:22:33 -0000 Mike Clarke milibyte.co.uk> writes: > > xorg-server was modified on Thursday Feb 12th at 19:58:41 to fix this > vulnerability > > . > The latest package builds started on Wednesday 11th > and > . It looks like they all > used snapshots from before the new version was available except for > 84i386-default and 84amd64-default. The next package build should start > in a couple of days time on Wednesday 18th. > Ah, ok, so packages are built once a week then? What do people do when they want their security updates faster, if they were using packages instead of ports primarily? I suppose one could install the port, but then wouldn't that typically pull in a lot of development dependencies that might not otherwise have been needed on a system? In my particular case, I do have /usr/ports installed but didn't use it for this. I'm not super-worried about this particular issue, but in general, what's the right way to proceed? Thanks, John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 16 23:47:38 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7066BCC for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 23:47:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from deneb.dwf.com (70-90-202-97-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.90.202.97]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 92BD138E for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 23:47:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from deneb.dwf.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by deneb.dwf.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id t1GNkxA3007913; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 16:46:59 -0700 Message-Id: <201502162346.t1GNkxA3007913@deneb.dwf.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.3 To: Shane Ambler Subject: Re: Where is the source? In-reply-to: <54E155AB.4050105@ShaneWare.Biz> References: <201502152242.t1FMgIeE003747@deneb.dwf.com> <20150216095159.36614238@B85M-HD3-0.alogt.com> <54E155AB.4050105@ShaneWare.Biz> Comments: In-reply-to Shane Ambler message dated "Mon, 16 Feb 2015 12:57:55 +1030." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 16:46:59 -0700 From: reg@dwf.com Cc: Erich Dollansky , reg@dwf.com, questions@freebsd.org, reg@deneb.dwf.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 23:47:38 -0000 Thanks to everyone who responded. The src.txz file in your note is what I needed. Unfortunately, on trying to do the build of the NVIDIA driver, it only works with FreeBSD 10 not 10.1, so running down the source only got me one step closer before erroring out. -- Reg.Clemens reg@dwf.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 16 23:49:34 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 01C8DD4D for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 23:49:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-x235.google.com (mail-wi0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C33E3BB for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 23:49:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f181.google.com with SMTP id r20so29509080wiv.2 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 15:49:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=tDPhZz5uOIb+OOwE92QrfnksIn0sWFtX1DIXf2kIhi0=; b=0D78ajASDpxCe0M/EQN0uxcHpjLRN3wbG7tVZ8KCW8W4piRfF+cphQ/4+Mrsy3oXdK r/7rNIqo4efyd1RSy98V3IOcAKqYyZXGxgwjj6YbkthB8KvO3ABsu0F97CP5BbK0kV/F MKEzFpRw2c5D2m2RLiqaYKcWRK03Imv+UogQJxUnvy6deh2q7J9U0OdTC5jh2DmACrkP hnK07E3wLEJkxw1VT2fF+3CbvGwhAO0FD/iFjQ1jbLdenZtI2EA+ZkUx2K66RyZu4cnf ZXBTI3DZgzJgo2g7uty4F7FeXYQLvLaIGUPmdn7tQXbZRHpfA9N/dinGt8EkIZsGgY33 CKdA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.237.34 with SMTP id uz2mr54425598wjc.157.1424130571859; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 15:49:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.241.132 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 15:49:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20150216224753.73143297@curlew.lan> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 07:49:31 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: pkg audit finds updates, but pkg upgrade doesn't From: Ben Woods To: John Goerzen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 23:49:34 -0000 Not sure there is a "right way", but your options are essentially: - wait for the new package - compile the new port on the server it will be installed on - compile the new port on another server using "make package" (make sure all other ports and options are the same) - set up your own poudriere system and use that as your repository I have personally done the last one, and it isn't as hard as you might think. I did it more for testing the ports I maintain, but getting security updates sooner is an equally good reason. Regards, Ben On Tuesday, February 17, 2015, John Goerzen wrote: > Mike Clarke milibyte.co.uk> writes: > > > > > xorg-server was modified on Thursday Feb 12th at 19:58:41 to fix this > > vulnerability > > > < > https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/x11-servers/xorg-server/Makefile?view=log > > > > . > > The latest package builds started on Wednesday 11th > > and > > . It looks like they all > > used snapshots from before the new version was available except for > > 84i386-default and 84amd64-default. The next package build should start > > in a couple of days time on Wednesday 18th. > > > > Ah, ok, so packages are built once a week then? What do people do when > they > want their security updates faster, if they were using packages instead of > ports primarily? I suppose one could install the port, but then wouldn't > that typically pull in a lot of development dependencies that might not > otherwise have been needed on a system? > > In my particular case, I do have /usr/ports installed but didn't use it for > this. I'm not super-worried about this particular issue, but in general, > what's the right way to proceed? > > Thanks, > > John > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org " > -- -- From: Benjamin Woods woodsb02@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 16 23:53:27 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64935B6 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 23:53:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-x22a.google.com (mail-wg0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6DEB66B for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 23:53:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f42.google.com with SMTP id n12so15546139wgh.1 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 15:53:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=utky4rTO02buXpxYQZcgD0arOQn6WoTJ+mYOiMlNYnE=; b=oyzkwROpLtTl26dreJspi6NX1jgsac/DohdTWgHc6sAm3x0aFXR+YsO9et0hD1aTNB g2Quj7PGTj1Y5zZSlaQh7338RX/4x3Zqr0T3RMoCeV/VXtC7p9TnrCQFLEzPrAYrod2j EMZke4MrGnMlibPdOdL2qsyIjwzrHf2469UaaqW+xq3aCFCPwpAn3OqQtkcETRpzkQX9 wkbtW90Z5f16h1qOWviU7ItLnAQZa7snv4QD1eGU3xC7FJyleMcuUQESVO3HV84s7bHw odNm3E+++2ZnTAb1xNTraFvUkCjfTnALCUjW+DcLYuy5tsoD69wt2Z8jYA3SlFRAWF80 ZHWQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.104.34 with SMTP id gb2mr51023879wib.7.1424130805300; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 15:53:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.241.132 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 15:53:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201502162346.t1GNkxA3007913@deneb.dwf.com> References: <201502152242.t1FMgIeE003747@deneb.dwf.com> <20150216095159.36614238@B85M-HD3-0.alogt.com> <54E155AB.4050105@ShaneWare.Biz> <201502162346.t1GNkxA3007913@deneb.dwf.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 07:53:25 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Where is the source? From: Ben Woods To: "reg@dwf.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: Erich Dollansky , "questions@freebsd.org" , "reg@deneb.dwf.com" , Shane Ambler X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 23:53:27 -0000 Are you trying to build this from source outside of ports, or are you trying to build the port x11/nvidia-driver-304? What is your build error? On Tuesday, February 17, 2015, wrote: > > Thanks to everyone who responded. > > The src.txz file in your note is what I needed. > Unfortunately, on trying to do the build of the NVIDIA driver, it > only works with FreeBSD 10 not 10.1, so running down the source > only got me one step closer before erroring out. > -- > Reg.Clemens > reg@dwf.com > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org " > -- -- From: Benjamin Woods woodsb02@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 16 23:55:58 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 12D2523E for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 23:55:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-x233.google.com (mail-wg0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 928FF692 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 23:55:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f51.google.com with SMTP id y19so32117895wgg.10 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 15:55:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=qhQfQxQ4E76GEJswPiTb7hYRfBMfV2iZqWsRZM9xbfQ=; b=ikCe7vaca50PpZa+PsVbgGMKbgQLru4FrnuxkWQ6N2VDCapumKwqq9bVQ01Lg/eViZ qgwuL0+DpLWvD9o8FVJyJHGSMdIWXSSMYceTU2HbjeUuy3DkjHWi8xSX6f30gQQnpUQs 3lWjgugh+1QSkJ+LLcqfm/2iE7v9hhZ1Sh7bdgnW49g3l5BFdd1DcW5WE4J/hP2HseJp fN/qEIymFujdRQddwn92VniRuzaVN93mNuEhCkLhklhjvE+sV2D/VNAo0RAdf5tB1OYp JB1ahSEJCJsUDDxRXWAYZ5W0FtUXmfR5uClbjK8QthUVomoZyjnHGedasZMPalCvLSRJ 9Row== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.237.34 with SMTP id uz2mr54463988wjc.157.1424130955915; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 15:55:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.241.132 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 15:55:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201502152242.t1FMgIeE003747@deneb.dwf.com> <20150216095159.36614238@B85M-HD3-0.alogt.com> <54E155AB.4050105@ShaneWare.Biz> <201502162346.t1GNkxA3007913@deneb.dwf.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 07:55:55 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Where is the source? From: Ben Woods To: "reg@dwf.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: Erich Dollansky , "questions@freebsd.org" , "reg@deneb.dwf.com" , Shane Ambler X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 23:55:58 -0000 Also, have you tried just installing the nvidia-driver-304 package (not building from source or port)? On Tuesday, February 17, 2015, Ben Woods wrote: > Are you trying to build this from source outside of ports, or are you > trying to build the port x11/nvidia-driver-304? > > What is your build error? > > On Tuesday, February 17, 2015, > wrote: > >> >> Thanks to everyone who responded. >> >> The src.txz file in your note is what I needed. >> Unfortunately, on trying to do the build of the NVIDIA driver, it >> only works with FreeBSD 10 not 10.1, so running down the source >> only got me one step closer before erroring out. >> -- >> Reg.Clemens >> reg@dwf.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > > -- > > -- > From: Benjamin Woods > woodsb02@gmail.com > -- -- From: Benjamin Woods woodsb02@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 17 00:23:01 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5BC0187A for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 00:23:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 328439B3 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 00:23:01 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=lmmJ2D/n8LHdIcTAuxAFWD2alncBx3HC6hIIK//3hkY=; b=a5ueESxG3ofKn4X2rUu9WnOWvwcMEzeU/iJd2VdoD3TN6NPjDJEv+6Mu3Zm08fPrBJddiyy25F6G+HyyibutGWRyN360Fom4yPWsuAiVxBfHbxv14wdPHWdjmAaGwkd3rAq7RJ9PTzmnsQanX3PDb73fgGM2bpp3Ksg8AdZXBlc=; Received: from [114.121.130.3] (port=56254 helo=B85M-HD3-0.alogt.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1YNVwH-001xDl-Nz; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 17:22:58 -0700 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 08:22:45 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: reg@dwf.com Subject: Re: Where is the source? Message-ID: <20150217082245.1ea6ffd6@B85M-HD3-0.alogt.com> In-Reply-To: <201502162346.t1GNkxA3007913@deneb.dwf.com> References: <201502152242.t1FMgIeE003747@deneb.dwf.com> <20150216095159.36614238@B85M-HD3-0.alogt.com> <54E155AB.4050105@ShaneWare.Biz> <201502162346.t1GNkxA3007913@deneb.dwf.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: questions@freebsd.org, reg@deneb.dwf.com, Shane Ambler X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 00:23:01 -0000 Hi, On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 16:46:59 -0700 reg@dwf.com wrote: > > Thanks to everyone who responded. > > The src.txz file in your note is what I needed. > Unfortunately, on trying to do the build of the NVIDIA driver, it > only works with FreeBSD 10 not 10.1, so running down the source > only got me one step closer before erroring out. if VESA will not do the job for you, you will have to go back to 10 then. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 17 03:11:49 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC79B8F for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 03:11:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp116.ord1c.emailsrvr.com (smtp116.ord1c.emailsrvr.com [108.166.43.116]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84BF6D91 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 03:11:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp7.relay.ord1c.emailsrvr.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp7.relay.ord1c.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 626623802AF for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 22:03:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by smtp7.relay.ord1c.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rhavenn-AT-rhavenn.net) with ESMTPSA id E74D638028D for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 22:03:25 -0500 (EST) X-Sender-Id: rhavenn@rhavenn.net Received: from vash.rhavenn.local ([UNAVAILABLE]. [209.112.171.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:25 (trex/5.4.2); Tue, 17 Feb 2015 03:03:26 GMT Received: from localhost (vash.rhavenn.local [local]); by vash.rhavenn.local (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPA id 3cb2e23f; for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 18:03:23 -0900 (AKST) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 18:03:23 -0900 From: Henrik Hudson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: newcons and system bell? Message-ID: <20150217030323.GA29133@vash.rhavenn.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 03:11:49 -0000 HP laptop (intel video and X11) running 10.1-REL-p5 and I can't get the system bell to stop beeping both in X and on the console. I'm running newcons for the DRM and X11 compatibility. I've tried editing /etc/rc.conf: keybell="off" I've tried: kbdcontrol -b quiet.off kbdcontrol -b off neither of which work. Any thoughts? Any ideas for tracking it down? henrik -- Henrik Hudson lists@rhavenn.net ----------------------------------------- "God, root, what is difference?" 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From: Nicholas Fleisher To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 03:22:08 -0000 On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 9:03 PM, Henrik Hudson wrote: > HP laptop (intel video and X11) running 10.1-REL-p5 and I can't get > the system bell to stop beeping both in X and on the console. > > I'm running newcons for the DRM and X11 compatibility. > > I've tried editing /etc/rc.conf: > keybell="off" > > I've tried: > kbdcontrol -b quiet.off > kbdcontrol -b off > > > neither of which work. Any thoughts? Any ideas for tracking it down? Try the following in your .xinitrc to stop the beep in X: xset b off my understanding is that disabling the console beep is implemented for vt/newcons in the stable and/or current branches but not in any release, but will be in 11 when it's released. Others can confirm/disconfirm. I'm in the same position you are in: using vt since I need it for my graphics card (Sandy Bridge). And it's great! Except for the beeps... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 17 04:41:03 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D07CDBD8 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 04:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-f178.google.com (mail-ie0-f178.google.com [209.85.223.178]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A178A6CC for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 04:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iecrl12 with SMTP id rl12so36154366iec.2 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 20:41:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ZvRefiJ8GZan5JVVy37mV2NymO8fzop4qp/Qq4Uvw8w=; b=TN+BI16uS3NLVi9zLSeEuvr2LfaIPDaM+S4H3vauOt+/uMaKbUJuOskg9Aw50qSIRg d/VuVvLZbW7Ny77kmalXPBy8BDcpeC0YkjpZ7TDLtURXsSPvi93dMd4TCGl4wtHmfO2y CTFIaMV9XB47GL1RvcTnZ1ZJqr8eTUa5AWpjcYRDmzJyBLVT0cYllzdJrkbRhT4GyCdc +0ZhWFHgl8aslOu5wZTGKCrxzrpcOmHljnaRiG4vgybf3MrlAGgEG3TM0I7kF0vAnN5X cRGDWuCk1ZOPpufolvQuPeByIetbvzStP6jAE7XnDT/lyitiwze397F0msDyQUypv03S Iq1A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.50.233 with SMTP id f9mr25396984igo.38.1424147686593; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 20:34:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.10.201 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 20:34:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.10.201 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 20:34:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 20:34:46 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: From: siman simin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, sam juri Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 04:41:03 -0000 simansimin10@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 17 05:40:42 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44CF948E for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 05:40:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp116.ord1c.emailsrvr.com (smtp116.ord1c.emailsrvr.com [108.166.43.116]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1AD3AC2C for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 05:40:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp15.relay.ord1c.emailsrvr.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp15.relay.ord1c.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 73D1F3801D9 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 00:40:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by smtp15.relay.ord1c.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rhavenn-AT-rhavenn.net) with ESMTPSA id 0584D380154 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 00:40:39 -0500 (EST) X-Sender-Id: rhavenn@rhavenn.net Received: from vash.rhavenn.local ([UNAVAILABLE]. [209.112.171.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:25 (trex/5.4.2); Tue, 17 Feb 2015 05:40:40 GMT Received: from localhost (vash.rhavenn.local [local]); by vash.rhavenn.local (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPA id db5ee0f4; for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 20:40:38 -0900 (AKST) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 20:40:38 -0900 From: Henrik Hudson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newcons and system bell? Message-ID: <20150217054038.GA29518@vash.rhavenn.local> References: <20150217030323.GA29133@vash.rhavenn.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 05:40:42 -0000 On Mon, 16 Feb 2015, Nicholas Fleisher wrote: > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 9:03 PM, Henrik Hudson wrote: > > HP laptop (intel video and X11) running 10.1-REL-p5 and I can't get > > the system bell to stop beeping both in X and on the console. > > > > I'm running newcons for the DRM and X11 compatibility. > > > > I've tried editing /etc/rc.conf: > > keybell="off" > > > > I've tried: > > kbdcontrol -b quiet.off > > kbdcontrol -b off > > > > > > neither of which work. Any thoughts? Any ideas for tracking it down? > > Try the following in your .xinitrc to stop the beep in X: > xset b off > > my understanding is that disabling the console beep is implemented for > vt/newcons in the stable and/or current branches but not in any > release, but will be in 11 when it's released. Others can > confirm/disconfirm. I'm in the same position you are in: using vt > since I need it for my graphics card (Sandy Bridge). And it's great! > Except for the beeps... Thanks. That worked in X which is good enough. henrik From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 17 09:26:53 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A347E84 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 09:26:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from avasout08.plus.net (avasout08.plus.net [212.159.14.20]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Bizanga Labs SMTP Client Certificate", Issuer "Bizanga Labs CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E89AA612 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 09:26:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from curlew.milibyte.co.uk ([84.92.153.232]) by avasout08 with smtp id tMPd1p002516WCc01MPet3; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 09:23:40 +0000 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=Ptsdbm83 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=lfSX4pPLp9EkufIcToJk/A==:117 a=lfSX4pPLp9EkufIcToJk/A==:17 a=D7rCoLxHAAAA:8 a=0Bzu9jTXAAAA:8 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=0HtSIViG9nkA:10 a=nzz-CIdWAAAA:8 a=qROcr90ZLPQBjbdFUEgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Received: from curlew.lan ([192.168.1.13]) by curlew.milibyte.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1YNeNU-0000op-PU; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 09:23:37 +0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 09:23:36 +0000 From: Mike Clarke To: reg@dwf.com Message-ID: <20150217092336.075b7577@curlew.lan> In-Reply-To: <201502162346.t1GNkxA3007913@deneb.dwf.com> References: <201502152242.t1FMgIeE003747@deneb.dwf.com> <20150216095159.36614238@B85M-HD3-0.alogt.com> <54E155AB.4050105@ShaneWare.Biz> <201502162346.t1GNkxA3007913@deneb.dwf.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.1.13 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on curlew.lan X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Subject: Re: Where is the source? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on curlew.milibyte.co.uk) Cc: Erich Dollansky , questions@freebsd.org, reg@deneb.dwf.com, Shane Ambler X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 09:26:53 -0000 On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 16:46:59 -0700 reg@dwf.com wrote: > The src.txz file in your note is what I needed. > Unfortunately, on trying to do the build of the NVIDIA driver, it > only works with FreeBSD 10 not 10.1, so running down the source > only got me one step closer before erroring out. It certainly ought to build OK on 10.1, that's what I have here with nvidia-driver-304 built from ports. Building from ports is the only way because there's no package available, due I think to licensing restrictions. curlew:/home/mike% freebsd-version -ku 10.1-RELEASE-p5 10.1-RELEASE-p5 curlew:/home/mike% pkg info -x nvidia nvidia-driver-304-304.125 Could it be that you have the wrong version of the kernel sources? -- Mike Clarke From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 17 10:58:39 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 26AC31B6 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:58:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from avasout07.plus.net (avasout07.plus.net [84.93.230.235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Bizanga Labs SMTP Client Certificate", Issuer "Bizanga Labs CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F93962 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:58:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from curlew.milibyte.co.uk ([84.92.153.232]) by avasout07 with smtp id tNyZ1p007516WCc01Nyair; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:58:34 +0000 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=TqhohVnh c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=lfSX4pPLp9EkufIcToJk/A==:117 a=lfSX4pPLp9EkufIcToJk/A==:17 a=D7rCoLxHAAAA:8 a=0Bzu9jTXAAAA:8 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=0HtSIViG9nkA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=q56oFxeYAAAA:8 a=LZ4FAF31RZ8eLT9rmgoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=kiW3oELb_esA:10 Received: from curlew.lan ([192.168.1.13]) by curlew.milibyte.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1YNfrM-0001fY-Ea; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:58:33 +0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:58:31 +0000 From: Mike Clarke To: Ben Woods , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20150217105831.6d36622e@curlew.lan> In-Reply-To: References: <201502152242.t1FMgIeE003747@deneb.dwf.com> <20150216095159.36614238@B85M-HD3-0.alogt.com> <54E155AB.4050105@ShaneWare.Biz> <201502162346.t1GNkxA3007913@deneb.dwf.com> <20150217092336.075b7577@curlew.lan> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.1.13 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on curlew.lan X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Subject: Re: Where is the source? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on curlew.milibyte.co.uk) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:58:39 -0000 On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:22:20 +0800 Ben Woods wrote: > I think they do provide packages actually, meaning you don't have to bother > with sources or ports at all! Yes, I stand corrected. I was going by the information shown at it states "A package is not available" but I see that this is not actually the case: curlew:/home/mike% pkg rquery "%n" -r FreeBSD nvidia-driver-304 nvidia-driver-304 curlew:/home/mike% So, yes, installing the package is the simplest way to go. -- Mike Clarke From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 17 06:38:53 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F09A86A for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 06:38:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from deneb.dwf.com (70-90-202-97-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.90.202.97]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4F61103 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 06:38:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from deneb.dwf.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by deneb.dwf.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id t1H6bxSk012168; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 23:37:59 -0700 Message-Id: <201502170637.t1H6bxSk012168@deneb.dwf.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.3 To: Ben Woods Subject: Re: Where is the source? In-reply-to: References: <201502152242.t1FMgIeE003747@deneb.dwf.com> <20150216095159.36614238@B85M-HD3-0.alogt.com> <54E155AB.4050105@ShaneWare.Biz> <201502162346.t1GNkxA3007913@deneb.dwf.com> Comments: In-reply-to Ben Woods message dated "Tue, 17 Feb 2015 07:55:55 +0800." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 23:37:59 -0700 From: reg@dwf.com X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 12:11:12 +0000 Cc: Erich Dollansky , "reg@dwf.com" , "questions@freebsd.org" , reg@deneb.dwf.com, Shane Ambler X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 06:38:53 -0000 > > On Tuesday, February 17, 2015, Ben Woods wrote: > > > Are you trying to build this from source outside of ports, or are you > > trying to build the port x11/nvidia-driver-304? > > > > What is your build error? OK, I didn't even think of ports, I went to NVIDIA, and they pointed me at sources, which I tried compiling. I had to get the src tree, but with it I got the 10.1 not supported message.e I realize I should be reading more of the FreeBSD documentation, but was hoping to get the screen setup to my likeing before trying to read too much. So, first the build error: nv-freebsd.h:25:2: error: this driver does not support FreeBSD 10.x/-Current. So my first question is how to get this thing out of port. My attempt was to go to the AppCafe icon, then Browse Catagories, then X11 at that point I get the 'error' message: No applications in this category match the current browser view options Now I don't know what 'browser view options' implies, but Im obviously the wrong place. I tried portsnqp extract / portsnap fetch, but got errors on both. So, sorry to keep bothering you, but where do I go next? -- Reg.Clemens reg@dwf.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 17 10:22:22 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DEA1EB23 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:22:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-x235.google.com (mail-we0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 685A9CD3 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:22:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f181.google.com with SMTP id w62so34067257wes.12 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 02:22:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=YvOjh6o/rILa/GG6bFpw4vYfmENn/kvL8ftPxT2KJg8=; b=fuZoyiN/B3EOj19ChrhzLA/geaLW9NwMJCWpT4J0/tmw/THplccYSVEwiOF34OeDP8 gPTAKu7KqaQ4Fx1LRGalvlSDmxeIPZ0pRgIE6Yxe8JSZfgoT6EHcbHwofIS7zTRgbWci QYUIRdeRWC2Sh9xGE0I45kvWmzOhB+c5Ll/7brXy5IqxqL1i3Wcrdm+v2wsB6SkTYuCt tZwxC4MeG6YQj+dCmhwoL4TX/S7A1G//JMHvyGIJhYkTaX2hZpKOc0plQ2R+AsX4762L zsyowOgDvQ0W+/c/cFKhazLk85yTYGeJv+SAExXH/UB2QvAqCqfvPHV+41kBhd881WTL bCeg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.84.176 with SMTP id a16mr11264723wjz.113.1424168540842; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 02:22:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.241.132 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 02:22:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20150217092336.075b7577@curlew.lan> References: <201502152242.t1FMgIeE003747@deneb.dwf.com> <20150216095159.36614238@B85M-HD3-0.alogt.com> <54E155AB.4050105@ShaneWare.Biz> <201502162346.t1GNkxA3007913@deneb.dwf.com> <20150217092336.075b7577@curlew.lan> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:22:20 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Where is the source? From: Ben Woods To: Mike Clarke X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 12:12:03 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: Shane Ambler , Erich Dollansky , "reg@dwf.com" , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , "reg@deneb.dwf.com" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:22:23 -0000 I think they do provide packages actually, meaning you don't have to bother with sources or ports at all! You can follow the instructions at this forum thread: https://pcbsd.org/showthread.php?t=22216 In summary: 1. $ sudo pkg delete nvidia-driver 2. $ sudo pkg install nvidia-driver-304 3. Edit /boot/loader.conf to add a new line containing nvidia_load="YES" 4. $ sudo kldload nvidia 5. $ sudo nvidia-xconfig 6. Rebuild the grub menus: PC-BSD Control Panel -> Boot Manager -> Emergency Services Menu -> Rebuild GRUB Menu 7. Reboot Further help with installing packages on PCBSD can be found in the PCBSD 10.1.1 handbook here: ftp://ftp.pcbsd.org/pub/handbook/10.1.1/pcbsd10.1.1_handbook_en_ver10.1.1.pdf Regards, Ben -- From: Benjamin Woods woodsb02@gmail.com On 17 February 2015 at 17:23, Mike Clarke wrote: > On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 16:46:59 -0700 > reg@dwf.com wrote: > > > The src.txz file in your note is what I needed. > > Unfortunately, on trying to do the build of the NVIDIA driver, it > > only works with FreeBSD 10 not 10.1, so running down the source > > only got me one step closer before erroring out. > > It certainly ought to build OK on 10.1, that's what I have here with > nvidia-driver-304 built from ports. Building from ports is the only > way because there's no package available, due I think to licensing > restrictions. > > curlew:/home/mike% freebsd-version -ku > 10.1-RELEASE-p5 > 10.1-RELEASE-p5 > curlew:/home/mike% pkg info -x nvidia > nvidia-driver-304-304.125 > > Could it be that you have the wrong version of the kernel sources? > > -- > Mike Clarke > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 17 13:12:51 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EED56D3C for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:12:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qc0-x22c.google.com (mail-qc0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3ED7189 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:12:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id i8so14950274qcq.3 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 05:12:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-type; bh=jxzs6elIgmTmq/kVqko5h9Ak6d5UspaYfKJkJ/7E8W4=; b=cv26Xc5DNXUVwmd2Ijh86+e1ZImU/JHppLXxwRTHsiCRP1VRx54JQ3G2SKovEO1Vai +f/95b5udP9auZEeEk7hxkqs2h5ReJf5CxIDTJCUbdAAlggUjEv/cs0EmFauM3DCSL8J OuXTHoLaeSbTF4Djh0gmEzdT9f46BlKf1wwaxQN3DFq+DAVewZyX1lz1KgnTHzRquXRg YVb3sN915LjO/oSigsMGvAITqyUa7EWUe8YtLz4Yf5UQvhgevUWqW83YDF9ZFkv7casd PH8/FN4BRkB24wco+fM4MIMJ12emeR5K5GAfk7GuMicGBohqdraJa4fQ86FIlz9ZD6j/ 4vUw== X-Received: by 10.229.25.200 with SMTP id a8mr2067042qcc.22.1424178770756; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 05:12:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from lumiwa.farms.net (pool-70-16-202-159.man.east.myfairpoint.net. [70.16.202.159]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id u66sm5775250qhd.11.2015.02.17.05.12.49 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 17 Feb 2015 05:12:50 -0800 (PST) From: ajtiM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: lumiwa@gmail.com Subject: npviewer.bin.core Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 08:12:40 -0500 Message-ID: <2355120.gnLqqoRmXf@lumiwa.farms.net> User-Agent: KMail/4.14.3 (FreeBSD/10.1-RELEASE-p5; KDE/4.14.3; amd64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:12:52 -0000 Hi! I have on my FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE-p5 (amd64) crashed of npviewer many times when I surfing on the internet with Firefox or Otter. All ports are updated. I got in /home/usr npviewer.bin.core and /var/log/messages shows: kernel: pid 38492 (npviewer.bin), uid 1001: exited on signal 6 (core dumped) I did run pkg_libchk -qo and I got: pkg_libchk -qo misc/compat8x editors/calligra graphics/gstreamer1-plugins-gl java/java3d graphics/kamera-kde4 graphics/libkipiplugins editors/libreoffice What is wrong, please? Thank you. -- ajtiM -------- http://www.redbubble.com/people/lumiwa https://www.facebook.com/pages/Lumiwa-FARM/775292915882930 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 17 13:25:17 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E0EE22B for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:25:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server1.shellworld.net (shellworld.net [69.60.117.94]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF68F324 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:25:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server1.shellworld.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server1.shellworld.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17489229A9 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 08:25:10 -0500 (EST) To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Question about a Remote DRAC on a Dell Server MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <16035.1424179510.1@server1.shellworld.net> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 07:25:10 -0600 From: "Martin G. McCormick" Message-Id: <20150217132510.17489229A9@server1.shellworld.net> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:25:17 -0000 Michael Sierchio writes: > The problem may simply be your /etc/ttys. You need to turn on getty on > one or more of the serial ports. The section for serial terminals on > my machine looks like this: Thank you for a very good answer, but I did not ask the question very well. I completely forgot to mention that I had actually set the first TTY as follows: ttyu0 "/usr/libexec/getty std.116200" vt100 on secure It worked when I actually had the system in the same room and was connected to the box with a null-modem cable. When we changed the console to work with the DRAC, the FreeBSD kernel messages worked as always but the command-line console which should start with the login prompt does act like it would with that tty line not set. 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This is my conf files for pkg that i know of /usr/local/etc/pkg.conf #PKG_DBDIR = "/var/db/pkg"; #PKG_CACHEDIR = "/var/cache/pkg"; #PORTSDIR = "/usr/ports"; #INDEXDIR = ""; INDEXFILE = "INDEX-9"; # Autogenerated #HANDLE_RC_SCRIPTS = false; #ASSUME_ALWAYS_YES = false; REPOS_DIR [ "/etc/pkg/", "/usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/", ] #PLIST_KEYWORDS_DIR = ""; #SYSLOG = true; ABI = "freebsd:9:x86:64"; # Autogenerated #DEVELOPER_MODE = false; #VULNXML_SITE = "http://www.vuxml.org/freebsd/vuln.xml.bz2"; #FETCH_RETRY = 3; #PKG_PLUGINS_DIR = "/usr/local/lib/pkg/"; #PKG_ENABLE_PLUGINS = true; #PLUGINS [ #] #DEBUG_SCRIPTS = false; #PLUGINS_CONF_DIR = "/usr/local/etc/pkg/"; #PERMISSIVE = false; #REPO_AUTOUPDATE = true; #NAMESERVER = ""; #EVENT_PIPE = ""; #FETCH_TIMEOUT = 30; #UNSET_TIMESTAMP = false; #SSH_RESTRICT_DIR = ""; #PKG_ENV { #} #PKG_SSH_ARGS = ""; #DEBUG_LEVEL = 0; #ALIAS { #} #CUDF_SOLVER = ""; #SAT_SOLVER = ""; #RUN_SCRIPTS = true; build-depends: info -qd, download: fetch, iinfo: info -ix, cinfo: info -Cx, isearch: search -ix, csearch: search -Cx, leaf: query -e "%a == 0" "%n-%v", list: info -ql, origin: info -qo, provided-depends: info -qb, raw: info -R, required-depends: info -qr, shared-depends: info -qB, show: info -f -k, size: info -sq, } #CASE_SENSITIVE_MATCH = false; #IP_VERSION = 0 # Sample alias settings ALIAS : { all-depends: query %dn-%dv, annotations: info -A, /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf FreeBSD: { url: "pkg+http://pkg.freebsd.org/${ABI}/latest", mirror_type: "srv", signature_type: "none" enabled: "yes" } This is the errors # pkg update No active remote repositories configured. # pkg upgrade No active remote repositories configured. pkg install tmux No active remote repositories configured. So it's quite useless for me. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 17 15:04:25 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A29EAD6 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:04:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bede.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 93C49CE for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:04:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.home.qeng-ho.org (8.14.9/8.14.7) with ESMTP id t1HF4Evl065117; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:04:14 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Message-ID: <54E3586E.3090301@qeng-ho.org> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:04:14 +0000 From: Arthur Chance User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bernt Hansson , questions FreeBSD Subject: Re: Problems with pkg References: <54E351DD.6020409@bananmonarki.se> In-Reply-To: <54E351DD.6020409@bananmonarki.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:04:25 -0000 On 17/02/2015 14:36, Bernt Hansson wrote: > Hello list! > > This is my conf files for pkg that i know of > > /usr/local/etc/pkg.conf > > #PKG_DBDIR = "/var/db/pkg"; > #PKG_CACHEDIR = "/var/cache/pkg"; > #PORTSDIR = "/usr/ports"; > #INDEXDIR = ""; > INDEXFILE = "INDEX-9"; # Autogenerated > #HANDLE_RC_SCRIPTS = false; > #ASSUME_ALWAYS_YES = false; > REPOS_DIR [ > "/etc/pkg/", > "/usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/", > ] > #PLIST_KEYWORDS_DIR = ""; > #SYSLOG = true; > ABI = "freebsd:9:x86:64"; # Autogenerated > #DEVELOPER_MODE = false; > #VULNXML_SITE = "http://www.vuxml.org/freebsd/vuln.xml.bz2"; > #FETCH_RETRY = 3; > #PKG_PLUGINS_DIR = "/usr/local/lib/pkg/"; > #PKG_ENABLE_PLUGINS = true; > #PLUGINS [ > #] > #DEBUG_SCRIPTS = false; > #PLUGINS_CONF_DIR = "/usr/local/etc/pkg/"; > #PERMISSIVE = false; > #REPO_AUTOUPDATE = true; > #NAMESERVER = ""; > #EVENT_PIPE = ""; > #FETCH_TIMEOUT = 30; > #UNSET_TIMESTAMP = false; > #SSH_RESTRICT_DIR = ""; > #PKG_ENV { > #} > #PKG_SSH_ARGS = ""; > #DEBUG_LEVEL = 0; > #ALIAS { > #} > #CUDF_SOLVER = ""; > #SAT_SOLVER = ""; > #RUN_SCRIPTS = true; build-depends: info -qd, > download: fetch, > iinfo: info -ix, > cinfo: info -Cx, > isearch: search -ix, > csearch: search -Cx, > leaf: query -e "%a == 0" "%n-%v", > list: info -ql, > origin: info -qo, > provided-depends: info -qb, > raw: info -R, > required-depends: info -qr, > shared-depends: info -qB, > show: info -f -k, > size: info -sq, > } > #CASE_SENSITIVE_MATCH = false; > #IP_VERSION = 0 > > # Sample alias settings > ALIAS : { > all-depends: query %dn-%dv, > annotations: info -A, > > /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf > > FreeBSD: { > url: "pkg+http://pkg.freebsd.org/${ABI}/latest", > mirror_type: "srv", > signature_type: "none" > enabled: "yes" > } Here's my pkg supplied /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf (apologies for any line wrapping my mailer imposes in the comments) # $FreeBSD: releng/10.1/etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf 263938 2014-03-30 15:29:54Z bdrewery $ # # To disable this repository, instead of modifying or removing this file, # create a /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf file: # # mkdir -p /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos # echo "FreeBSD: { enabled: no }" > /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf # FreeBSD: { url: "pkg+http://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/latest", mirror_type: "srv", signature_type: "fingerprints", fingerprints: "/usr/share/keys/pkg", enabled: yes } You would appear to be overriding the standard settings, and I have no idea what that will do. You might be better off asking on the pkg@ mailing list, the pkg gurus are active there (but probably will answer here as well). > This is the errors > > # pkg update > No active remote repositories configured. > > # pkg upgrade > No active remote repositories configured. > > pkg install tmux > No active remote repositories configured. > > So it's quite useless for me. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Those who do not learn from computing history are doomed to GOTO 1 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 17 15:32:46 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A67F19A for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:32:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "ca.infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B8ED3FC for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:32:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zero-gravitas.local (no-reverse-dns.metronet-uk.com [85.199.232.226] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id t1HFWPvO008070 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:32:38 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=infracaninophile.co.uk DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.9.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk t1HFWPvO008070 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1424187158; bh=n02GY+m/g6ClYu8DTiETt/IHNeWl3Cq+riGVEPXXRaI=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; z=Date:=20Tue,=2017=20Feb=202015=2015:32:17=20+0000|From:=20Matthew =20Seaman=20|To:=20Bernt=20Hansso n=20,=20=0D=0A=20FreeBSD=20Questions=20Mailin g=20List=20|Subject:=20Re:=20Proble ms=20with=20pkg|References:=20<54E351DD.6020409@bananmonarki.se>|I n-Reply-To:=20<54E351DD.6020409@bananmonarki.se>; b=jaVmdc3iGXShjjvvgar0mHzReAGkal7NCqg+KEP6w8ExB7KZzV4P/qS/Kos1kVl/Q M2u6ZvS92m9Ddhs57SOD8ZDOszstGRrMTpQ1EjuWk8umGkjns9sLO/+EHRWCLnSiJQ 49gKNnQJGswbK1bmdt7BzX7mepTLPsEI5Pr5xeYc= X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host no-reverse-dns.metronet-uk.com [85.199.232.226] (may be forged) claimed to be zero-gravitas.local Message-ID: <54E35F01.3090409@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:32:17 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bernt Hansson , FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Re: Problems with pkg References: <54E351DD.6020409@bananmonarki.se> In-Reply-To: <54E351DD.6020409@bananmonarki.se> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="XIup6wefX5EHr3q5KbVm9SE7b8rq0ihkU" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.6 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:32:46 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --XIup6wefX5EHr3q5KbVm9SE7b8rq0ihkU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2015/02/17 14:36, Bernt Hansson wrote: [...] > size: info -sq, > } > #CASE_SENSITIVE_MATCH =3D false; > #IP_VERSION =3D 0 >=20 > # Sample alias settings > ALIAS : { > all-depends: query %dn-%dv, > annotations: info -A, >=20 ^^^^ Is this literally what is in your pkg.conf? In which case, your pkg.conf won't be parseable: you need a closing '}' on the ALIAS entry. BTW: Your 'all-depends' line isn't 'all-depends' in the sense the ports tree uses the term. pkg(8) only cares about run-time dependencies, which is effectively the sum of the ports RUN_DEPENDS and LIB_DEPENDS variables. > /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf >=20 > FreeBSD: { > url: "pkg+http://pkg.freebsd.org/${ABI}/latest", > mirror_type: "srv", > signature_type: "none" > enabled: "yes" > } This is recreating the default /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf with the package signature bits stripped out? Why on earth you would want to use a public repository without some sort of integrity checking I don't know, but it's your funeral. 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Thank you From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 17 20:07:34 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B72719D for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 20:07:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-x22a.google.com (mail-ig0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3921C5F for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 20:07:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ig0-f170.google.com with SMTP id l13so43558198iga.1 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 12:07:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LGPgyrIJgabT8tjsXTf6gr+MiVsRI4OVCIN2twkyeW4=; b=ye2X6CE0VJpYlnwSLboJh6mHBu/HX/3QvteE1htFjqcBhR9EXYW2ZIg2vxI9tmgq8u G8qvUwMzuPWWQAYDDhBiPWBF657Trrfso+fYcooKq6X1Hswt/1UAbAzv5xYOtUBdBe93 /jy5f4UF4XLHVCNSsApFx9fNXTdOfY6j3rx9IXhAN6ic8oqCl2ZGv2YXQrt3znEuFtri twMmZ7BsLU/vvFLmjT+k/t8Ybo7K2ftWPoXWnWmUPfC+Xq0iANukC8C06c/xK4DX7h2U spOoLYVQzTOFbds7ZAVuuUOqsvfrrEfpKxdUiOuYbIDKE9sHORgrzvImCaxPo2wr9IPA 7SqQ== X-Received: by 10.107.17.89 with SMTP id z86mr39138535ioi.52.1424203653284; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 12:07:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([73.3.70.211]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id v39sm11779357iov.17.2015.02.17.12.07.32 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 17 Feb 2015 12:07:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:07:31 -0700 From: jd1008 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Users Subject: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 20:07:34 -0000 http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/16/us-usa-cyberspying-idUSKBN0LK1QV20150216 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 17 21:05:00 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79E3DA32 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 21:05:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 342CD2AA for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 21:05:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YNpK8-0007T5-Pe for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:04:52 +0100 Received: from pool-173-79-82-127.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.82.127]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:04:52 +0100 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-82-127.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:04:52 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:04:36 -0500 Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-82-127.washdc.fios.verizon.net X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 21:05:00 -0000 jd1008 wrote: [snip] Remove the cover. Remove the platters. Smash all platters with large sledge hammer until all pieces are fairly small. Melt material with oxyacetylene welders torch. Repeat smashing with hammer. Soak for few hours in hydrofluoric acid. Rinse and allow to dry. Grind material into a fine particulate dust. Dispose of out the back of airplane while flying or drop into convenient nearby volcano. That might be good enough. Send the electronic components to Kaspersky for analysis. :-) -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 17 21:31:07 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59F6F38F for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 21:31:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm19-vm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm19-vm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.217.25]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 203A67A6 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 21:31:06 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1424208516; bh=JyHAdq2/HxD0xejwjfNoXZ6r7n/Oqi3dVQqOgEBjdZc=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=DcaBM1Aq6FEoxWlK4iSd20OPBHdDAuKnF23zd89/MqF2UaGleiui4tq606NAxR4yfO9YkR/KR7y+v0XAYKQH1o92arku9GAcjAgNbqFC8J1AMOW4EtCF95E2yJ1YHzgJzm4wttvzc+s2mPZpvNprGgRnNb/r3O77MymbsCtxmf2cFAY5H4Qmf/832I9oexmIPIauKfr3wJ55uD/ObGG0nKPrtYVECn/ohueqh5F5on/fXe7N6DxcpHaz6K2MJ2RK66SD4P7wLrCIl/BLL/NVMb46FHywlArMzMod1pQ+DWoWiobfZZYggqTE28juYzkXsElyrFJLPHzR5Q5I921Y4Q== Received: from [98.137.12.175] by nm19.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2015 21:28:36 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.68] by tm14.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2015 21:28:35 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp105.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2015 21:28:35 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 733287.91325.bm@smtp105.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: cywboAgVM1k.APu6eJoql_BoCpp4Mx05LFiBl5o48zFOa3V _LW6bMdLnmuRD_7t_4Eh1x2J1ugU8a_sNQXb1canTbkzuH62YHBobY.dJ9o7 EqwEWkceOSaSb7a.ylYATZtovAJNnpUMKDxK9dxughVzKIaejDP._FI1Lcln e1j3xy750QfyrenSKZF0v4GpHHT8H6wJdRVvMkyk3GtXKJ1p1vWpC6Ye_Ro8 RzvaPqETHDTOdCsoCeBCkz7NHwzMahUK0UxN_d7Qh5i3OzjW3zV1CxivUST6 dkuBZA.UZ0Re0UygvE5dSjUGgk4GxSJZqRaG5a591jqWRL7f9YJyPT0NZKVI M.MVBlIwu1Y3n8y_TXoI7VEkevNOKnVZiMqZcwEYeja8G2ua43pMsyrGSNBJ AeUGAV8lyXEdYY1qpmP6q.3lkr8wk.pdTJ9srkeZKn5fVyq8L267hT6bh3fu 8_iTEDvVar58herLMNKWNZrm6AAr5XLg_fQfsaDCK9xwTU22d3CKjaK8aPAO jPUiFeAZWzVrYm.z9s5QVtqXW4sgjOJjpfMXCY.5jAG_MQXBgnIVFO4MljlD oChIjJ50c525mHCyGfNLZ_zu6m2DZTyLWK1bZdKruOypcxnElssYFAAIXCXy 4RuKbD4yswcxGDuKjMWCNb4jS5ptSlEHETfUsY3BnZXReE5wLwJpX33qUq6D fc8Ysg1zVvagMsj6wQbc.G6FsF6Cmeku3CouXeVTpmGIIkrVQILV37iiyGw- - X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:27:44 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? Message-ID: <20150217222744.0a9b1d87@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20150217202411.GA42894@neutralgood.org> References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <20150217202411.GA42894@neutralgood.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1-66-gd6ba813 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 21:31:07 -0000 On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:24:11 -0500, kpneal@pobox.com wrote: >http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html When I was young we cracked copying protections and removed bugs from the broken assembler code of software we pay for. If we wouldn't have cracked the copy protection, it would have damaged our floppy disks (Commodore 1541 bump, with later disks using a light barrier, it was impossible to load the copy protected software, we needed to remove the light barrier and/or crack the copy protection) and if we wouldn't have fixed the bugs, the software wouldn't have worked. That was a note about the "criminal" hackers from my generation and now a note about the "criminal" hackers about the current generation. Guerilla Open Access Manifesto: https://archive.org/stream/GuerillaOpenAccessManifesto/Goamjuly2008_djvu.txt IOW it's an ethical decision. I never read a diary of somebody else, just because I was able to do it. Cracking software we pay for, that doesn't work and/or will damage our hardware, hacking for social commitment are good ethical reasons. Schadenfreude and greed are bad. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 17 21:50:33 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 257F49A0 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 21:50:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.monochrome.org (e.febed1.client.atlantech.net [209.190.254.14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail", Issuer "mail" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B70079ED for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 21:50:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (tripel [192.168.1.11]) by mail.monochrome.org (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t1HLQbdL036225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:26:37 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:27:38 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Hill To: jd1008 Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? In-Reply-To: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 21:50:33 -0000 On Tue, 17 Feb 2015, jd1008 wrote: > http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/16/us-usa-cyberspying-idUSKBN0LK1QV20150216 Also see http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/17/kaspersky_labs_equation_group/ They never explicitly state that this stuff is Windows-specific; news reports generally never ask the question. But there is mention of a DLL, and of "the registry". -- Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org ** [ Busy Expunging ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 17 22:18:23 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4825340 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-x22a.google.com (mail-ig0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 66077D2B for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ig0-f170.google.com with SMTP id l13so44601140iga.1 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 14:18:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=iE2SIVPS9Oti/ZRvvrxEhNpy9aIVzHiUV93oKw5Cd44=; b=mvdNNtQiPLtwa3SCb0KU1nfQ41x7g0h/IK8hiXOvtSE0wkVq7rU3VQe50iMSoczKHZ KInyNnMFMRDgKhTwnpRtdYHHKTwbnKVqyxDrnjsSilgS2O1G6AV8ZxE5gBwWSE7sY6UV 06HGv8EO4IlkbXnEkqzQg1G1gj0bL0raV33cFDV3qBWdvAEo8i3rT7m1wgjOcbqbCa7D 79vdZys1oros3SdYB9dNqGBlX0DkCoyodRGSdLfKwrh5pLbu/vT9JOxxPSnv0541NIVk erx/0yoFJKdfWWEnMpaqgxjniVEajNDEFHKaKWbxZx77lwRFaKQOnfFiaCZZek+FFdRY 7i2g== X-Received: by 10.107.164.15 with SMTP id n15mr36534596ioe.82.1424211502801; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 14:18:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([50.243.6.59]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id f1sm10813596igt.14.2015.02.17.14.18.20 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 17 Feb 2015 14:18:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54E3BE22.8090204@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:18:10 -0700 From: jd1008 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:18:23 -0000 On 02/17/2015 02:04 PM, Michael Powell wrote: > jd1008 wrote: > > [snip] > > Remove the cover. Remove the platters. Smash all platters with large sledge > hammer until all pieces are fairly small. Melt material with oxyacetylene > welders torch. Repeat smashing with hammer. Soak for few hours in > hydrofluoric acid. Rinse and allow to dry. Grind material into a fine > particulate dust. Dispose of out the back of airplane while flying or drop > into convenient nearby volcano. That might be good enough. > > Send the electronic components to Kaspersky for analysis. > > :-) > > -Mike > > Well, it's getting to the point where none of the of hundreds or even thousands of millions of lines of source code of operating systems, libraries and applications has been thoroughly examined by very capable engineers who could discern the presence of trojans and backdoors. So, it goes without saying that all OS'es are infected. 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How can I get rid of it? References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:20:45 -0000 On 02/17/2015 02:27 PM, Chris Hill wrote: > On Tue, 17 Feb 2015, jd1008 wrote: > >> http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/16/us-usa-cyberspying-idUSKBN0LK1QV20150216 >> > > Also see > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/17/kaspersky_labs_equation_group/ > > They never explicitly state that this stuff is Windows-specific; news > reports generally never ask the question. But there is mention of a > DLL, and of "the registry". > Well, Windows comprises like.... what? 90%? 95%? of laptops and desktop computers. Is that not the case? So it makes sense that dll's and registery would be mentioned. But I am convinced that Unix'es and Linux'es are also included for such infiltration. 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How can I get rid of it? References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <20150217202411.GA42894@neutralgood.org> <20150217222744.0a9b1d87@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20150217222744.0a9b1d87@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:24:18 -0000 On 02/17/2015 02:27 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:24:11 -0500, kpneal@pobox.com wrote: >> http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html > When I was young we cracked copying protections and removed bugs from > the broken assembler code of software we pay for. If we wouldn't have > cracked the copy protection, it would have damaged our floppy disks > (Commodore 1541 bump, with later disks using a light barrier, it was > impossible to load the copy protected software, we needed to remove the > light barrier and/or crack the copy protection) and if we wouldn't have > fixed the bugs, the software wouldn't have worked. > > That was a note about the "criminal" hackers from my generation and now > a note about the "criminal" hackers about the current generation. > > Guerilla Open Access Manifesto: > https://archive.org/stream/GuerillaOpenAccessManifesto/Goamjuly2008_djvu.txt > > IOW it's an ethical decision. I never read a diary of somebody else, > just because I was able to do it. Cracking software we pay for, that > doesn't work and/or will damage our hardware, hacking for social > commitment are good ethical reasons. > > Schadenfreude and greed are bad. > I believe a major overhaul of the software industry (both open source and commercial) is way way overdue. A people's tribunal of highly capable software and hardware engineers is desperately needed to look into the source codes of all SW and HW designs and implementations - including the compilers and assemblers. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 17 22:45:17 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C7B3FD15 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:45:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm29-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm29-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.144]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6DC4572 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:45:16 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1424213015; bh=NdLnZkKv6RFV1ZHv+JnMQOxDXHWfy/63MAimZriKSLU=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=d7fSf4Z4AssCVqDZEzCFq5x9sJPXQeJ9yz3As+8ty/g8v9up5cLQxxcZkynkBuqMDdnRqzj8Xy0uPDkzk4cmDd0aqwx3iLpam1Hdeo0jDIGOD1nImKKnNpuQiCqco9+uM9FRraxfCd/qONb8y08/X3WIo+5zgLJbouf//BPByzjkOqxNerLq8YbQjv0sOhZ9+JOi/jlpslyeAf36/1uTQzHvTc8ItIPQwaogJLuPRu3TSbh9nIW7HnrMprDnZWJH9pqdNwcy3OP3Ff3rZOvHfBFEc+NtAI/dQuBVYL96FLG8ZqhM0pD6jFPuCRFNESoPJvPGRCh8WoFqpOQ0G6x9mA== Received: from [98.139.212.151] by nm29.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2015 22:43:35 -0000 Received: from [68.142.230.76] by tm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2015 22:43:35 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp233.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2015 22:43:35 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 132401.16691.bm@smtp233.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: xemYXTIVM1mMttLNy0hrw4e7oYgL_Tk3aMw7cdizAzLLt8o nVeOuAb3QvDdatvprR7K_Jk3tzMQiXwj9iRxq8ZjXPRreKYi8iolg5AYg5Jz h9LlBMgSiF5DxFYIJZs4cWEIvImNtM1ewiiJuLwzZDup3PU7eHfEGscL_Jqn R9N8lvcjMacVCVDiARhMM.PUis1rzjmrTPTqJAbVfS7S5acbvrfhGY.8xBX3 0cQjLpcxYoKP9y.uB3HERq8q_dqdQ2PFy5W3uT6FDR54qrWfEh986t7IKIpe hD99qGkk4z.Got7uDSZbA2L2LyEzB8TOWSplRArA0AWqexSmCagq3wd8mZTC 3SWSopU7EjppMAXs5qZyyWEWUxzfl9TzpsJSchecTDgQ83pBJjsD3gI_rgPe 9bq1zhivGBvc3Ml7wv7ZwNatTBqO7xwcgmUV9WRddkTRfUIS.jbBZTB1Sjbp RkpxkMD4weE_qGD9x6kxW7oojIFiKwHiTKAsAZxtQ7J.8oa7m2jvxKexWc6S dRH5q5xTFJeEciaXgwbSVLDnM.W5WUaeQH4.eqBjL9hMvA7Kl.EK.jMrIHpr okeA.XWiBtZ6Nn0zCIVGSsLQfIP7N7h8cFphPIAEAEzgzzLYlPYnKUqltKK7 hl3Iyb2yP3ngmxhs13UXLn67dbEEnRGImvA6D7YC2IZs2KYuwgc0SisoHqpU m5Tp.pPf43M1swHGO8cdULAaoYmrVuEHBHQda.YcZQyfugSMbFDqOhTZuzKb A_HsIeQaeYg9MC1xL.rzRXAzL3CsHHn2SUedosDOgGBQrglLt.Q-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: h3Xqg6.swBC0yI913RMMwp94grO_cg-- Message-ID: <54E3C415.5090404@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 17:43:33 -0500 From: Paul Pathiakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <54E3BEBA.1060801@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <54E3BEBA.1060801@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:45:18 -0000 Actually, Windows is now below 90%. Apple OSX is taking quite a bit by storm.... They're back in education, people don't mind a $2K premium if it means little downtime. They were down to <2% 15 years ago.... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/15/windows_desktop_and_laptop_market_share_dips_below_90_per_cent/ The Register is pretty impartial and outside the US 'pay for your opinion' news. The article is from a year ago. I expect that Windows is probably below 87% or more now. P. On 02/17/2015 17:20, jd1008 wrote: > > On 02/17/2015 02:27 PM, Chris Hill wrote: >> On Tue, 17 Feb 2015, jd1008 wrote: >> >>> http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/16/us-usa-cyberspying-idUSKBN0LK1QV20150216 >>> >> >> Also see >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/17/kaspersky_labs_equation_group/ >> >> They never explicitly state that this stuff is Windows-specific; news >> reports generally never ask the question. But there is mention of a >> DLL, and of "the registry". >> > Well, Windows comprises like.... what? 90%? 95%? of > laptops and desktop computers. Is that not the case? > So it makes sense that dll's and registery would be > mentioned. But I am convinced that Unix'es and Linux'es > are also included for such infiltration. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 17 23:01:09 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7DC91FE1 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:01:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.monochrome.org (e.febed1.client.atlantech.net [209.190.254.14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail", Issuer "mail" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3ABEB25A for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (tripel [192.168.1.11]) by mail.monochrome.org (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t1HN05uP036736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:00:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:01:07 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Hill To: jd1008 Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? In-Reply-To: <54E3BF90.9060609@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <20150217202411.GA42894@neutralgood.org> <20150217222744.0a9b1d87@archlinux> <54E3BF90.9060609@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:01:09 -0000 On Tue, 17 Feb 2015, jd1008 wrote: > > On 02/17/2015 02:27 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:24:11 -0500, kpneal@pobox.com wrote: >>> http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html [snip] > I believe a major overhaul of the software industry (both open source > and commercial) is way way overdue. A people's tribunal of highly > capable software and hardware engineers is desperately needed to look > into the source codes of all SW and HW designs and implementations - > including the compilers and assemblers. That sounds good. But if you read Kevin's link - http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html, an audit may not turn up everything that might be happening. Also: such a tribunal would involve a huge amount of work. I am a working programmer, and I have this quaint notion that I ought be paid for my work. Who are these 'people' who will pay for this source code audit? You? -- Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org ** [ Busy Expunging ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 17 23:23:06 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 451E9845 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:23:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm21-vm10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm21-vm10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.217.57]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09B2C689 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:23:05 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1424215220; bh=UBwSOkfTZiOieCjkDvd9g7R8ZR9H1Cyrg/Qm2uzdg8s=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=Qq9I0VPlYlYX0EZoRUJPvo1cQM3aVzgncA3YjU1oerOGuTWfT0wGCeQJhFxd9XUQhpV+iN4pExxqGV1HjA23gQNirBUES54FqUhutOvQI0hMD87rD59dGirH8RRWEvL2unH/Ara6egeAPL8OnvCYwOMS5ku+MRgBOY3XxHm56arsGisyRBw071yDYXOgtYh9uO69jLUiKUzrK2OHdtfTVJ+kGWKKacii+zibMv1sRJscUL9VnUbaUI2DmFGGEm7faDVvCUZSuDB6zbtwVFPEYn4ZkyYy33B1mdXRQ5N8U3Hh9GvcrOmXEaaSHAbX+CLIYgKlmdL1LsEDCHttZGWKkw== Received: from [98.137.12.174] by nm21.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2015 23:20:20 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.70] by tm13.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2015 23:20:20 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp107.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2015 23:20:20 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 605222.17609.bm@smtp107.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: pfUQZrkVM1k.qojcKe652UeZeIgkqcGCvw8vg88ywHBux4o XEzPOoRL1api.qbljt8ar9D6304tvDlGR3BDOtKc.a9WEV6vXNXmf_ks3zgP 8silzK7naMEhIYgk6zfkfJ9y1YBEomiL_k3Fe0oFRYK40ICMnHZZ_AioTsPc LnTvZdszHAuvEt_5AHmNnUWSuWr0hRYcnDzoVRqwXxrptFFIOb3E9SoHlKED EQVqQ2JTz.AdS92kmg1vnnmdRN2jItpqn0JUs3M2ltxhdNZix2PYKSVMErk4 F.Gl7OMRK_.OGl2rkulZ3QhDEg8nCxmuvD2GboQS78i5lqGBopG32Q6UiKI9 KGfboiKNBfJClhkmL4N4BeRgzy8ovfx3hzqLAC0WoonXo8kmMUzIhLIo5ykc hxio4VZZGKZMnsROrI9uf5Oq9WIJ1fVbVDvV7QL2ya5uNISgU3m7KVZeYjDI Di7dKJreI0_4OqfTy3CPgfWALDyByrK_i0M9J._6jx__2NjGx6NUOlENtlH2 JzxKxWj22aEVxyNapqe4tJ5hxOF2ybqvehB9Mb.QVtsLgX.dFsUlXlIdyE7g LI_oOcWc- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 00:04:01 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? Message-ID: <20150218000401.2ec1bf7a@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <54E3BF90.9060609@gmail.com> References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <20150217202411.GA42894@neutralgood.org> <20150217222744.0a9b1d87@archlinux> <54E3BF90.9060609@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1-66-gd6ba813 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:23:06 -0000 On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:24:16 -0700, jd1008 wrote: >A people's tribunal of highly capable software and hardware engineers >is desperately needed to look into the source codes of all SW and HW >designs and implementations - including the compilers and assemblers. We are still free to write Assembler opcode using an hex editor, that way nothing could go wrong. When I started, I didn't write opcode using an hex editor, but I used an Assmbler editor that didn't provide macros, this editor was close to an hex editor. There was no way to correct something by inserting code. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 17 23:43:49 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D509BF31 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:43:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE9948FC for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:43:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 36E72CB8C9B; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 17:26:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from 128.135.70.2 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 17:26:45 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <64593.128.135.70.2.1424215605.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 17:26:45 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "jd1008" Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: FreeBSD Users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:43:49 -0000 On Tue, February 17, 2015 2:07 pm, jd1008 wrote: > http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/16/us-usa-cyberspying-idUSKBN0LK1QV20150216 > Ha-ha. That is rather unusual turn. KGB guy Kaspersky (and/or his employees) is (are) yelling about someone else spying! How could those others (do what _we_ do ;-) Everybody knows Kaspersky is (was) in GKB. (somebody doesn't?!) Everybody knows that one only retires from that sort of service dead, feet first dead. I for one stay away from anything "kaspersky" and advise so all members of our Department. Hm, why would Reuters provide them free advertisement (if it was _free_ advertisement)... OK, I guess, the bottom line is: everybody, please, use your brain... Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 17 23:59:06 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5602C4D3 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:59:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [198.71.6.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A198A27 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:59:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sas1.nber.org (sas1.nber.org [198.71.6.185]) by mail2.nber.org (8.15.1/8.14.7) with ESMTPS id t1HNUu0v093785 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:30:57 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:30:56 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Feenberg To: Michael Powell Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (LRH 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Anti-Virus: Kaspersky Anti-Virus for Linux Mail Server 5.6.39/RELEASE, bases: 20140401 #7726142, check: 20150217 clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:59:06 -0000 On Tue, 17 Feb 2015, Michael Powell wrote: > jd1008 wrote: > > [snip] > > Remove the cover. Remove the platters. Smash all platters with large sledge > hammer until all pieces are fairly small. Melt material with oxyacetylene > welders torch. Repeat smashing with hammer. Soak for few hours in > hydrofluoric acid. Rinse and allow to dry. Grind material into a fine > particulate dust. Dispose of out the back of airplane while flying or drop > into convenient nearby volcano. That might be good enough. > > Send the electronic components to Kaspersky for analysis. I did once investigate claims that overwritten sectors could be read by sophisticated instruments and posted my results at: http://www.nber.org/sys-admin/overwritten-data-gutmann.html In short - that is pure science fiction. daniel feenberg > > :-) > > -Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 18 00:07:12 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D896660 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 00:07:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.radel.com (fly.radel.com [70.184.242.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1346FB22 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 00:07:11 +0000 (UTC) X-CGP-ClamAV-Result: CLEAN X-VirusScanner: Niversoft's CGPClamav Helper v1.18.5 (ClamAV engine v0.98.5) Received: from [2001:470:880a:4389:6853:7a8:8625:fc16] (account jon@radel.com HELO gravenstein.local) by radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.11 _community_) with ESMTPSA id 525099 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 00:07:04 +0000 Message-ID: <54E3D7A5.9000304@radel.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:07:01 -0500 From: Jon Radel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <20150217202411.GA42894@neutralgood.org> <20150217222744.0a9b1d87@archlinux> <54E3BF90.9060609@gmail.com> <20150218000401.2ec1bf7a@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20150218000401.2ec1bf7a@archlinux> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms020208050303060402070509" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 00:07:12 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms020208050303060402070509 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2/17/15 6:04 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:24:16 -0700, jd1008 wrote: >> A people's tribunal of highly capable software and hardware engineers >> is desperately needed to look into the source codes of all SW and HW >> designs and implementations - including the compilers and assemblers. > We are still free to write Assembler opcode using an hex editor, that > way nothing could go wrong. When I started, I didn't write opcode > using an hex editor, but I used an Assmbler editor that didn't provide > macros, this editor was close to an hex editor. There was no way to > correct something by inserting code. > And you expect the microcode to only implement the documented=20 instruction set with no extra goodies? 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How can I get rid of it? Message-ID: <20150218011556.4b3e6096@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <54E3D7A5.9000304@radel.com> References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <20150217202411.GA42894@neutralgood.org> <20150217222744.0a9b1d87@archlinux> <54E3BF90.9060609@gmail.com> <20150218000401.2ec1bf7a@archlinux> <54E3D7A5.9000304@radel.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1-66-gd6ba813 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 00:16:04 -0000 On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:07:01 -0500, Jon Radel wrote: >On 2/17/15 6:04 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:24:16 -0700, jd1008 wrote: >>> A people's tribunal of highly capable software and hardware >>> engineers is desperately needed to look into the source codes of >>> all SW and HW designs and implementations - including the compilers >>> and assemblers. >> We are still free to write Assembler opcode using an hex editor, that >> way nothing could go wrong. When I started, I didn't write opcode >> using an hex editor, but I used an Assmbler editor that didn't >> provide macros, this editor was close to an hex editor. There was no >> way to correct something by inserting code. >> >And you expect the microcode to only implement the documented >instruction set with no extra goodies? Trusting sort you are. :D Then we indeed need to reed every single line that is in the RAMs/ROMs/etc.. Hahaha, I still remember how much days I needed to get through a 2 KiB listing of Assembler on listing paper. I suspect it's impossible to check 20 MiBs and more of software that way. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 18 00:37:40 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11390EFA for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 00:37:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCDD7E46 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 00:37:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id D5BEFCB8C9C; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:37:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from 128.135.70.2 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:37:38 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <51803.128.135.70.2.1424219858.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:37:38 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Daniel Feenberg" Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 00:37:40 -0000 On Tue, February 17, 2015 5:30 pm, Daniel Feenberg wrote: > > > On Tue, 17 Feb 2015, Michael Powell wrote: > >> jd1008 wrote: >> >> [snip] >> >> Remove the cover. Remove the platters. Smash all platters with large >> sledge >> hammer until all pieces are fairly small. Melt material with >> oxyacetylene >> welders torch. Repeat smashing with hammer. Soak for few hours in >> hydrofluoric acid. Rinse and allow to dry. Grind material into a fine >> particulate dust. Dispose of out the back of airplane while flying or >> drop >> into convenient nearby volcano. That might be good enough. >> >> Send the electronic components to Kaspersky for analysis. > > I did once investigate claims that overwritten sectors could be read by > sophisticated instruments and posted my results at: > > http://www.nber.org/sys-admin/overwritten-data-gutmann.html > > > In short - that is pure science fiction. > Interesting. I never saw this particular explanation. I have heard that overwiritten data can be recovered (to significant extent). Due to different reason. I lost the reference, so let me try to reproduce what I've read (and that didn't and still doesn't offend my university degree knowledge, physics was part of it): If some information sits intact for years (that is without any change in particular physical places on disk platters), then over time due to some sort of aging magnetic domains become slightly different (in size, maybe?) in places where magnetization is in one direction from that in the other direction. If to overwrite that information, nothing original becomes readable. If, however you magnetize the whole bulk of platter in one direction, then the areas that were magnetized for very long time in one direction have slightly different residual magnetization from areas magnetized for long time in different direction. This difference is much smaller that sensitivity of regular drive magnetic heads and pre-amlifier. However, more sensitive equipment is capable to detect that thus very significant portion of information can be recovered (not 100% though). You can recover information even if it was overwritten with some new junk, provided this junk didn't sit there comparably long. One still can fully wipe the information, even sitting there due to those "aged magnetic domains" if one re-magnetizes platters in opposite directions many times (over 1000) going deeply into hysteresis every time. One time overwriting data is definitely not enough. Using some 50-100 cycles may not be sufficient either (but already this number of cycles becomes impractical with all software based destroying of information). Sorry about long e-mail. Sledge hammer and shredder are the best for the purpose ;-) Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 18 01:02:46 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1245027D for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 01:02:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm27-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm27-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.215]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8F61115 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 01:02:45 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1424221364; bh=bQf3rbrLGrd4tcYlLm9Iq8dSoGWAvklIvbdFo+h2dzU=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=csMig0Bsev4/HmoEmv4RiWXDTnxQaDAL8pB3c3ezRfAlCYifL6J2vic2Rc0253GMMeFpYp7Lwke6QvS8ce9D6gZffEdCqT0W16SrF7R0y0mvGS6gWRWPq+tq3wlW3/wsej04ffpvz/PpV5eBqec3LjFgiHrL2TqsJR3rcqxzZISmDpSGUKrDm+xdEzdv9KtBe4befbxCT61l97YzgIOrwItgov4O40pUnI73m9ZAeNDPvOsbBLQ4Fi4oTqTrzQyfktnuskoPpy075xurjVcvb5HAHB2E26Iw8/OvqKV1VX+NEeSDPE3wab83vl4SLa9vkGVfGoHG8WhhLDmjGxwIJw== Received: from [98.138.100.113] by nm27.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2015 01:02:44 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.65] by tm104.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2015 01:02:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp102.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2015 01:02:44 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 73657.85581.bm@smtp102.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: y.5S6cMVM1k5jnTOVqL81OiMGdulNUOvs1ZwGbl_dUXj71y kj1cT7yqfNNU.iM4Z4wUNjck9Q2FKxV26.sn_paXqT08XXqZ1kEZRx0zThL6 VpFx2mBvEvxQAq7X68HNrMQBLq7lNs_WrS6Uw9WRSRkP4JlDQM3joCqPWpA9 qscPZzuHYbmvzgw4SDmX4th0U3jG9jADxgNLYG_cFiCtJ1mEtE3DKdX1m6R2 _X.EA3agqCVqq5nzpEDJz5O2vg2UaNu81YL7YCQn8iaE5q8rd.6iXXPncnLR MWmYo0UJp6MRsciVfLWrPkLwBA7R1BMG.3bQJBM3ejIdH8pf8wYoqEDjW5gV YsXl5E5uzSp1vXFd3xxOIPLtrnfKZm0oIH7TfZDasgvxKsmxr3jRfwnK1_cb SyG6TYAUNA7ZBtF0A9wDLjeoxhLJokBUoF6TO1LlYcNazrCCsMKYUQ.X8ig. XC20ao9VZgVBGXBYhvHyVAYJnMrd5xSFSXwRI.y0C8Is_hNqphwiosrRX6kI 6dHWgzCpb614nYWAPawg9K6EHcy9m3TDQfTabl4HJw6d3hw9V_LSGTvJoivO EVZIh17h624seV7BvCibzeN3RWEqQZYytPBj_aW0QXsTcQn2gLNRfNIqW.Rm S2YO_eYOChYpIKFkByITryMw81P9Iqclt0LeuJ16XlQG1aRyfRA-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 02:02:43 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? Message-ID: <20150218020243.366fe968@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <51803.128.135.70.2.1424219858.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <51803.128.135.70.2.1424219858.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1-66-gd6ba813 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 01:02:46 -0000 On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:37:38 -0600 (CST), Valeri Galtsev wrote: > >On Tue, February 17, 2015 5:30 pm, Daniel Feenberg wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, 17 Feb 2015, Michael Powell wrote: >> >>> jd1008 wrote: >>> >>> [snip] >>> >>> Remove the cover. Remove the platters. Smash all platters with large >>> sledge >>> hammer until all pieces are fairly small. Melt material with >>> oxyacetylene >>> welders torch. Repeat smashing with hammer. Soak for few hours in >>> hydrofluoric acid. Rinse and allow to dry. Grind material into a >>> fine particulate dust. Dispose of out the back of airplane while >>> flying or drop >>> into convenient nearby volcano. That might be good enough. >>> >>> Send the electronic components to Kaspersky for analysis. >> >> I did once investigate claims that overwritten sectors could be read >> by sophisticated instruments and posted my results at: >> >> http://www.nber.org/sys-admin/overwritten-data-gutmann.html >> >> >> In short - that is pure science fiction. >> > >Interesting. I never saw this particular explanation. I have heard that >overwiritten data can be recovered (to significant extent). Due to >different reason. I lost the reference, so let me try to reproduce what >I've read (and that didn't and still doesn't offend my university >degree knowledge, physics was part of it): > >If some information sits intact for years (that is without any change >in particular physical places on disk platters), then over time due to >some sort of aging magnetic domains become slightly different (in >size, maybe?) in places where magnetization is in one direction from >that in the other direction. If to overwrite that information, nothing >original becomes readable. If, however you magnetize the whole bulk of >platter in one direction, then the areas that were magnetized for very >long time in one direction have slightly different residual >magnetization from areas magnetized for long time in different >direction. This difference is much smaller that sensitivity of regular >drive magnetic heads and pre-amlifier. However, more sensitive >equipment is capable to detect that thus very significant portion of >information can be recovered (not 100% though). You can recover >information even if it was overwritten with some new junk, provided >this junk didn't sit there comparably long. > >One still can fully wipe the information, even sitting there due to >those "aged magnetic domains" if one re-magnetizes platters in opposite >directions many times (over 1000) going deeply into hysteresis every >time. One time overwriting data is definitely not enough. Using some >50-100 cycles may not be sufficient either (but already this number of >cycles becomes impractical with all software based destroying of >information). > >Sorry about long e-mail. Sledge hammer and shredder are the best for >the purpose ;-) Actually criminal investigation departments seems to be unable to recover all the data that was deleted by a simple rm command, even on journaling file systems. Why is it recommended to mount read only, as soon as possible, if we lose data, to be able to recover that data? The NSA is able to recover all the data that was deleted all over the world even by a shred command on a non-journaling FS? If so, the NSA isn't willing to give hints against child molesters and other criminals, because the NSA is the watchdog of more important crimes? That's grotesque. 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References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <20150217202411.GA42894@neutralgood.org> <20150217222744.0a9b1d87@archlinux> <54E3BF90.9060609@gmail.com> <20150218000401.2ec1bf7a@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20150218000401.2ec1bf7a@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 03:44:55 -0000 On 02/17/2015 04:04 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:24:16 -0700, jd1008 wrote: >> A people's tribunal of highly capable software and hardware engineers >> is desperately needed to look into the source codes of all SW and HW >> designs and implementations - including the compilers and assemblers. > We are still free to write Assembler opcode using an hex editor, that > way nothing could go wrong. When I started, I didn't write opcode > using an hex editor, but I used an Assmbler editor that didn't provide > macros, this editor was close to an hex editor. There was no way to > correct something by inserting code. > _________________________________________ I am not sure I understand how a hex editor would insure that nothing could go wrong. But my point is that currently, is not all open source developed for free? So, an international tribunal of developers would indeed unearth quite a lot of code that would turn out to be suspicious at best. 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References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <51803.128.135.70.2.1424219858.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20150218020243.366fe968@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20150218020243.366fe968@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 03:51:18 -0000 On 02/17/2015 06:02 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:37:38 -0600 (CST), Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> On Tue, February 17, 2015 5:30 pm, Daniel Feenberg wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, 17 Feb 2015, Michael Powell wrote: >>> >>>> jd1008 wrote: >>>> >>>> [snip] >>>> >>>> Remove the cover. Remove the platters. Smash all platters with large >>>> sledge >>>> hammer until all pieces are fairly small. Melt material with >>>> oxyacetylene >>>> welders torch. Repeat smashing with hammer. Soak for few hours in >>>> hydrofluoric acid. Rinse and allow to dry. Grind material into a >>>> fine particulate dust. Dispose of out the back of airplane while >>>> flying or drop >>>> into convenient nearby volcano. That might be good enough. >>>> >>>> Send the electronic components to Kaspersky for analysis. >>> I did once investigate claims that overwritten sectors could be read >>> by sophisticated instruments and posted my results at: >>> >>> http://www.nber.org/sys-admin/overwritten-data-gutmann.html >>> >>> >>> In short - that is pure science fiction. >>> >> Interesting. I never saw this particular explanation. I have heard that >> overwiritten data can be recovered (to significant extent). Due to >> different reason. I lost the reference, so let me try to reproduce what >> I've read (and that didn't and still doesn't offend my university >> degree knowledge, physics was part of it): >> >> If some information sits intact for years (that is without any change >> in particular physical places on disk platters), then over time due to >> some sort of aging magnetic domains become slightly different (in >> size, maybe?) in places where magnetization is in one direction from >> that in the other direction. If to overwrite that information, nothing >> original becomes readable. If, however you magnetize the whole bulk of >> platter in one direction, then the areas that were magnetized for very >> long time in one direction have slightly different residual >> magnetization from areas magnetized for long time in different >> direction. This difference is much smaller that sensitivity of regular >> drive magnetic heads and pre-amlifier. However, more sensitive >> equipment is capable to detect that thus very significant portion of >> information can be recovered (not 100% though). You can recover >> information even if it was overwritten with some new junk, provided >> this junk didn't sit there comparably long. >> >> One still can fully wipe the information, even sitting there due to >> those "aged magnetic domains" if one re-magnetizes platters in opposite >> directions many times (over 1000) going deeply into hysteresis every >> time. One time overwriting data is definitely not enough. Using some >> 50-100 cycles may not be sufficient either (but already this number of >> cycles becomes impractical with all software based destroying of >> information). >> >> Sorry about long e-mail. Sledge hammer and shredder are the best for >> the purpose ;-) > Actually criminal investigation departments seems to be unable to > recover all the data that was deleted by a simple rm command, even on > journaling file systems. Why is it recommended to mount read only, as > soon as possible, if we lose data, to be able to recover that data? > > The NSA is able to recover all the data that was deleted all over the > world even by a shred command on a non-journaling FS? If so, the NSA > isn't willing to give hints against child molesters and other criminals, > because the NSA is the watchdog of more important crimes? That's > grotesque. Well, you have to admit - they do have priorities :) Self interest overrules all other interests. 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How can I get rid of it? From: Waitman Gobble To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 03:57:59 -0000 On Feb 17, 2015 7:45 PM, "jd1008" wrote: > > > On 02/17/2015 04:04 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> >> On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:24:16 -0700, jd1008 wrote: >>> >>> A people's tribunal of highly capable software and hardware engineers >>> is desperately needed to look into the source codes of all SW and HW >>> designs and implementations - including the compilers and assemblers. >> >> We are still free to write Assembler opcode using an hex editor, that >> way nothing could go wrong. When I started, I didn't write opcode >> using an hex editor, but I used an Assmbler editor that didn't provide >> macros, this editor was close to an hex editor. There was no way to >> correct something by inserting code. >> _________________________________________ > > I am not sure I understand how a hex editor would > insure that nothing could go wrong. > But my point is that currently, is not all open source > developed for free? So, an international tribunal of > developers would indeed unearth quite a lot of code > that would turn out to be suspicious at best. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hmm open source is not "always" developed for free, I dont have stats handy but take a look at the source headers of FreeBSD sometime to see where the open source comes from. its more likely an accurate statement that open source is "rarely" developed for free. Waitman From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 18 05:51:59 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 778DE586 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 05:51:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2FCED99 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 05:51:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YNxY4-000667-7o for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 06:51:48 +0100 Received: from pool-173-79-82-127.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.82.127]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 06:51:48 +0100 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-82-127.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 06:51:48 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 00:51:39 -0500 Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-82-127.washdc.fios.verizon.net X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 05:51:59 -0000 Daniel Feenberg wrote: > > > On Tue, 17 Feb 2015, Michael Powell wrote: > >> [snip] >> >> Remove the cover. Remove the platters. Smash all platters with large >> sledge hammer until all pieces are fairly small. Melt material with >> oxyacetylene welders torch. Repeat smashing with hammer. Soak for few >> hours in hydrofluoric acid. Rinse and allow to dry. Grind material into a >> fine particulate dust. Dispose of out the back of airplane while flying >> or drop into convenient nearby volcano. That might be good enough. >> >> Send the electronic components to Kaspersky for analysis. > > I did once investigate claims that overwritten sectors could be read by > sophisticated instruments and posted my results at: > > http://www.nber.org/sys-admin/overwritten-data-gutmann.html > > > In short - that is pure science fiction. > > daniel feenberg I'm autistic. I've always had a problem getting sarcasm right. Still working on it... -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 18 06:30:50 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75E1F4D7 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 06:30:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-x22b.google.com (mail-wg0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE7F4657 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 06:30:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f43.google.com with SMTP id z12so26711200wgg.2 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:30:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=HnpAaw2zCUQGI1JmomATq1fY3wQVmeJPlWpKD/g/LfI=; b=mDB5V+dczFRRawMhTK5p8iarEr7mBUyJdJ1uHNypfaNytuJ4+aztBgHgqilgy+M67Z 5SobdW1MGGNfqiK23DHgjHcOtd+hnathr4YirizI5RARmHdPcYHeF56+bMDxzST5UwGG 57LRKk2IwiYYmBIK1hEeQPUugsB+VdmvxqDiJhX/OXlYnRYOl97JwwyYGhe1Y633hlSR rR8N8LS40EOI3SWi1foGrLyI3qHxksWOIhh80xd8H9m3EblbnUZmGM3NVzQfcb7SRYSk /giKgI6RfD4VeJUYqKx9HdNSbo2Kr76lFL5hK6cNTMVFUU84CgqTQBV/MNKLkwvMqA3t ERog== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.84.100 with SMTP id x4mr1566903wiy.89.1424241048375; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:30:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.27.94.66 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:30:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 00:30:48 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Golang and GUI toolkits on FreeBSD From: "Sam Fourman Jr." To: freebsd general questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 06:30:50 -0000 Hello list, I am trying to toy around with some sort of gui toolkit to build a X11 app it turns out that I cant compile anything, not wx or gtk3 etc.. I am wondering if because clang is the default compiler on FreeBSD that is causing me issues. I would like to get to the bottom of how to fix this, so we can make a note in the FreeBSD port so that others know. so please ask questions lets figure out what is going on, it could be that I am missing something simple (Eg, FreeBSD has everything in /usr/local ) I really would appreciate any help at knowing how to fix this. here is a example below of yet another toolkit that wont compile when trying to build the sample code on this page: https://github.com/andlabs/ui/wiki/Getting-Started I get this: go build gui.go # github.com/andlabs/ui cc did not produce error at completed:1 on input: #line 13 "/home/sfourman/go/src/github.com/andlabs/ui/area_unix.go" #include "gtk_unix.h" extern gboolean our_area_get_child_position_callback(GtkOverlay *, GtkWidget *, GdkRectangle *, gpointer); extern void our_area_textfield_populate_popup_callback(GtkEntry *, GtkMenu *, gpointer); extern gboolean our_area_textfield_focus_out_event_callback(GtkWidget *, GdkEvent *, gpointer); extern gboolean our_area_draw_callback(GtkWidget *, cairo_t *, gpointer); extern gboolean our_area_button_press_event_callback(GtkWidget *, GdkEvent *, gpointer); extern gboolean our_area_button_release_event_callback(GtkWidget *, GdkEvent *, gpointer); extern gboolean our_area_motion_notify_event_callback(GtkWidget *, GdkEvent *, gpointer); extern gboolean our_area_enterleave_notify_event_callback(GtkWidget *, GdkEvent *, gpointer); extern gboolean our_area_key_press_event_callback(GtkWidget *, GdkEvent *, gpointer); extern gboolean our_area_key_release_event_callback(GtkWidget *, GdkEvent *, gpointer); /* because cgo doesn't like ... */ static inline void gtkGetDoubleClickSettings(GtkSettings *settings, gint *maxTime, gint *maxDistance) { g_object_get(settings, "gtk-double-click-time", maxTime, "gtk-double-click-distance", maxDistance, NULL); } #include /* for ptrdiff_t and size_t below */ /* Define intgo when compiling with GCC. */ typedef ptrdiff_t intgo; typedef struct { char *p; intgo n; } _GoString_; typedef struct { char *p; intgo n; intgo c; } _GoBytes_; _GoString_ GoString(char *p); _GoString_ GoStringN(char *p, int l); _GoBytes_ GoBytes(void *p, int n); char *CString(_GoString_); void *_CMalloc(size_t); #line 1 "not-declared" void __cgo_f_1_1(void) { __typeof__(CAIRO_FORMAT_ARGB32) *__cgo_undefined__; } #line 1 "not-type" void __cgo_f_1_2(void) { CAIRO_FORMAT_ARGB32 *__cgo_undefined__; } #line 1 "not-const" void __cgo_f_1_3(void) { enum { __cgo__undefined__ = (CAIRO_FORMAT_ARGB32)*1 }; } #line 2 "not-declared" void __cgo_f_2_1(void) { __typeof__(CAIRO_STATUS_SUCCESS) *__cgo_undefined__; } #line 2 "not-type" void __cgo_f_2_2(void) { CAIRO_STATUS_SUCCESS *__cgo_undefined__; } #line 2 "not-const" void __cgo_f_2_3(void) { enum { __cgo__undefined__ = (CAIRO_STATUS_SUCCESS)*1 }; } #line 3 "not-declared" void __cgo_f_3_1(void) { __typeof__(FALSE) *__cgo_undefined__; } #line 3 "not-type" void __cgo_f_3_2(void) { FALSE *__cgo_undefined__; } #line 3 "not-const" void __cgo_f_3_3(void) { enum { __cgo__undefined__ = (FALSE)*1 }; } #line 4 "not-declared" void __cgo_f_4_1(void) { __typeof__(GCallback) *__cgo_undefined__; } #line 4 "not-type" void __cgo_f_4_2(void) { GCallback *__cgo_undefined__; } followed by a bunch more errors that I dont think are relevant. below is my config: sfourman@Sam ~/go/freebsd % go version go version go1.4.1 freebsd/amd64 sfourman@Sam ~/go/freebsd % go env GOARCH="amd64" GOBIN="" GOCHAR="6" GOEXE="" GOHOSTARCH="amd64" GOHOSTOS="freebsd" GOOS="freebsd" GOPATH="/home/sfourman/go" GORACE="" GOROOT="/usr/local/go" GOTOOLDIR="/usr/local/go/pkg/tool/freebsd_amd64" CC="cc" GOGCCFLAGS="-fPIC -m64 -pthread -fmessage-length=0" CXX="g++" CGO_ENABLED="1" sfourman@Sam ~/go/freebsd % cc -v FreeBSD clang version 3.5.1 (tags/RELEASE_351/final 225668) 20150115 Target: x86_64-unknown-freebsd11.0 Thread model: posix sfourman@Sam ~/go/freebsd % uname -a FreeBSD Sam 11.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT #4 r277531: Thu Jan 22 11:47:53 CST 2015 sfourman@Sam:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 -- Sam Fourman Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 18 06:49:29 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55D53669 for ; 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Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:49:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.120.9 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:49:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.120.9 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:49:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 07:49:27 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Golang and GUI toolkits on FreeBSD From: Malcolm Matalka To: "Sam Fourman Jr." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: freebsd-questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 06:49:29 -0000 Have you installed gtk3 via ports or pkg? Den 18 feb 2015 07:30 skrev "Sam Fourman Jr." : > Hello list, > > I am trying to toy around with some sort of gui toolkit to build a X11 app > it turns out that I cant compile anything, not wx or gtk3 etc.. > > I am wondering if because clang is the default compiler on FreeBSD that is > causing me issues. > I would like to get to the bottom of how to fix this, so we can make a note > in the FreeBSD port so that others know. so please ask questions lets > figure out what is going on, it could be that I am missing something simple > (Eg, FreeBSD has everything in /usr/local ) > > > I really would appreciate any help at knowing how to fix this. > > > here is a example below of yet another toolkit that wont compile > when trying to build the sample code on this page: > > https://github.com/andlabs/ui/wiki/Getting-Started > > > I get this: > > go build gui.go > # github.com/andlabs/ui > cc did not produce error at completed:1 > on input: > #line 13 "/home/sfourman/go/src/github.com/andlabs/ui/area_unix.go" > #include "gtk_unix.h" > extern gboolean our_area_get_child_position_callback(GtkOverlay *, > GtkWidget *, GdkRectangle *, gpointer); > extern void our_area_textfield_populate_popup_callback(GtkEntry *, GtkMenu > *, gpointer); > extern gboolean our_area_textfield_focus_out_event_callback(GtkWidget *, > GdkEvent *, gpointer); > extern gboolean our_area_draw_callback(GtkWidget *, cairo_t *, gpointer); > extern gboolean our_area_button_press_event_callback(GtkWidget *, GdkEvent > *, gpointer); > extern gboolean our_area_button_release_event_callback(GtkWidget *, > GdkEvent *, gpointer); > extern gboolean our_area_motion_notify_event_callback(GtkWidget *, > GdkEvent *, gpointer); > extern gboolean our_area_enterleave_notify_event_callback(GtkWidget *, > GdkEvent *, gpointer); > extern gboolean our_area_key_press_event_callback(GtkWidget *, GdkEvent *, > gpointer); > extern gboolean our_area_key_release_event_callback(GtkWidget *, GdkEvent > *, gpointer); > /* because cgo doesn't like ... */ > static inline void gtkGetDoubleClickSettings(GtkSettings *settings, gint > *maxTime, gint *maxDistance) > { > g_object_get(settings, > "gtk-double-click-time", maxTime, > "gtk-double-click-distance", maxDistance, > NULL); > } > > > #include /* for ptrdiff_t and size_t below */ > > /* Define intgo when compiling with GCC. */ > typedef ptrdiff_t intgo; > > typedef struct { char *p; intgo n; } _GoString_; > typedef struct { char *p; intgo n; intgo c; } _GoBytes_; > _GoString_ GoString(char *p); > _GoString_ GoStringN(char *p, int l); > _GoBytes_ GoBytes(void *p, int n); > char *CString(_GoString_); > void *_CMalloc(size_t); > #line 1 "not-declared" > void __cgo_f_1_1(void) { __typeof__(CAIRO_FORMAT_ARGB32) > *__cgo_undefined__; } > #line 1 "not-type" > void __cgo_f_1_2(void) { CAIRO_FORMAT_ARGB32 *__cgo_undefined__; } > #line 1 "not-const" > void __cgo_f_1_3(void) { enum { __cgo__undefined__ = > (CAIRO_FORMAT_ARGB32)*1 }; } > #line 2 "not-declared" > void __cgo_f_2_1(void) { __typeof__(CAIRO_STATUS_SUCCESS) > *__cgo_undefined__; } > #line 2 "not-type" > void __cgo_f_2_2(void) { CAIRO_STATUS_SUCCESS *__cgo_undefined__; } > #line 2 "not-const" > void __cgo_f_2_3(void) { enum { __cgo__undefined__ = > (CAIRO_STATUS_SUCCESS)*1 }; } > #line 3 "not-declared" > void __cgo_f_3_1(void) { __typeof__(FALSE) *__cgo_undefined__; } > #line 3 "not-type" > void __cgo_f_3_2(void) { FALSE *__cgo_undefined__; } > #line 3 "not-const" > void __cgo_f_3_3(void) { enum { __cgo__undefined__ = (FALSE)*1 }; } > #line 4 "not-declared" > void __cgo_f_4_1(void) { __typeof__(GCallback) *__cgo_undefined__; } > #line 4 "not-type" > void __cgo_f_4_2(void) { GCallback *__cgo_undefined__; } > > > followed by a bunch more errors that I dont think are relevant. > > below is my config: > > sfourman@Sam ~/go/freebsd % go version > go version go1.4.1 freebsd/amd64 > > > sfourman@Sam ~/go/freebsd % go env > GOARCH="amd64" > GOBIN="" > GOCHAR="6" > GOEXE="" > GOHOSTARCH="amd64" > GOHOSTOS="freebsd" > GOOS="freebsd" > GOPATH="/home/sfourman/go" > GORACE="" > GOROOT="/usr/local/go" > GOTOOLDIR="/usr/local/go/pkg/tool/freebsd_amd64" > CC="cc" > GOGCCFLAGS="-fPIC -m64 -pthread -fmessage-length=0" > CXX="g++" > CGO_ENABLED="1" > > sfourman@Sam ~/go/freebsd % cc -v > FreeBSD clang version 3.5.1 (tags/RELEASE_351/final 225668) 20150115 > Target: x86_64-unknown-freebsd11.0 > Thread model: posix > sfourman@Sam ~/go/freebsd % > > uname -a > FreeBSD Sam 11.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT #4 r277531: Thu Jan 22 > 11:47:53 CST 2015 sfourman@Sam:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > > -- > > Sam Fourman Jr. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 18 06:59:38 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3E7C9A9 for ; 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Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:59:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.27.94.66 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:59:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 00:59:36 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Golang and GUI toolkits on FreeBSD From: "Sam Fourman Jr." To: Malcolm Matalka Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: freebsd-questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 06:59:38 -0000 On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 12:49 AM, Malcolm Matalka wrote: > Have you installed gtk3 via ports or pkg? > So far as I know yes... pkg info | grep gtk3 avahi-gtk3-0.6.31_2 Gtk+ 3 library to the Avahi mDNS system clutter-gtk3-1.6.0 GTK+ Integration library for Clutter gtk3-3.14.7 Gimp Toolkit for X11 GUI (current stable version) libcanberra-gtk3-0.30_3 Implementation of the Freedesktop sound theme spec webkit-gtk3-2.4.8 Opensource browser engine using the GTK+ 3 toolkit sfourman@Sam /home/sfourman # From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 18 07:10:03 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C95EAC33 for ; 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Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:10:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.27.214.136 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:10:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.27.214.136 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:10:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:10:01 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Golang and GUI toolkits on FreeBSD From: Waitman Gobble To: "Sam Fourman Jr." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 07:10:04 -0000 On Feb 17, 2015 10:59 PM, "Sam Fourman Jr." wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 12:49 AM, Malcolm Matalka > wrote: > > > Have you installed gtk3 via ports or pkg? > > > > So far as I know yes... > > pkg info | grep gtk3 > avahi-gtk3-0.6.31_2 Gtk+ 3 library to the Avahi mDNS system > clutter-gtk3-1.6.0 GTK+ Integration library for Clutter > gtk3-3.14.7 Gimp Toolkit for X11 GUI (current stable > version) > libcanberra-gtk3-0.30_3 Implementation of the Freedesktop sound > theme spec > webkit-gtk3-2.4.8 Opensource browser engine using the GTK+ 3 > toolkit > sfourman@Sam /home/sfourman # > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Its curious that CXX is set to g++, but the c compiler is set to cc defaulting to clang.. sounds yucky to me. is your include and lib path set right? 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List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 07:25:58 -0000 On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:20 PM, Sam Fourman Jr. wrote: > > >> Its curious that CXX is set to g++, but the c compiler is set to cc >> defaulting to clang.. sounds yucky to me. >> >> is your include and lib path set right? > > > I am not sure how to find the path settings, what command would I run? > > > > -- > > Sam Fourman Jr. # pkg info | grep gtk gio-sharp-2.22.3_1 GIO bindings not available in gtk-sharp gqview-2.0.4_15 Another gtk2-based graphic file viewer gtk-engines2-2.20.2_2 Theme engine for the GTK+-2.0 toolkit gtk-sharp-beans-2.14.1_1 Extensions on top of GTK-sharp gtk-sharp20-2.12.10_3 GTK+ and GNOME interfaces for the .NET runtime gtk-update-icon-cache-2.24.25 Gtk-update-icon-cache utility from the Gtk+ toolkit gtk-xfce-engine-3.0.1_1 Xfce gtk theme engine gtk12-1.2.10_24 Gimp Toolkit for X11 GUI (previous stable version) gtk2-2.24.25_1 Gimp Toolkit for X11 GUI (previous stable version) gtk3-3.14.7 Gimp Toolkit for X11 GUI (current stable version) gtkmm24-2.24.4_2 C++ wrapper for Gtk+ gtkspell-2.0.16_5 GTK+ 2 spell checking component libcanberra-gtk3-0.30_3 Implementation of the Freedesktop sound theme spec linux-f10-gtk2-2.14.7_5 GTK+ library, version 2.X (Linux Fedora 10) py27-gtk2-2.24.0_3 Set of Python bindings for GTK+ webkit-gtk2-2.4.8 Opensource browser engine using the GTK+ 2 toolkit webkit-gtk3-2.4.8 Opensource browser engine using the GTK+ 3 toolkit wx28-gtk2-common-2.8.12_5 The wxWidgets GUI toolkit (common files) wx28-gtk2-unicode-2.8.12_5 The wxWidgets GUI toolkit (Unicode) # gtk-config --prefix --libs --cflags /usr/local -I/usr/local/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/local/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/local/lib/glib/include -I/usr/local/include -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/lib -lgtk -lgdk -lgmodule -lglib -lintl -lXi -lXext -lX11 -lm I would presume that gtk3-config would exist? but it's not there. :) let me try the go thingy and see what happens over here. -- Waitman Gobble Los Altos California USA 510-830-7975 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 18 07:28:54 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CDACBD9 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 07:28:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-x22b.google.com (mail-wi0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5BB5DBCF for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 07:28:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f171.google.com with SMTP id hi2so38873258wib.4 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:28:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=uiX/5GHtSy6TQofopZiwO/6Ir6T0EpRhKmbnOp0huT8=; b=m6+sm/LNExEs889x/6PgGHjkJrwR/M2ZW04D2o9R8GH2kiEiGBiem+Vm8H3GmlrC9H gBwl6RRpLc+SpLtoFHnI9y1+uyTxYoF8QG2D6q70R20ANoIdUB0l5YCqmn51ieKan8ZK PBceHPhqFWYFR9ZOfq7wTvkIfVq0m/4fbu7ZjsiQ4MJLXP5yxdYKZkUE5gOljSUdMHFp yKEX9y9HfJimMvXjIwTTbq/Z51qfmigH9aHpIlrYiP7fS4K0fRRGGyJU5jsQQh38WfX4 jIGTrZCXVewRDApVEn2iPfC/gmx1HhtNIvMEn28zo3IX1dms4ldqMDLJxNAL6a88bOPI 5Ylw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.189.203 with SMTP id gk11mr2124273wic.32.1424244049143; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:20:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.27.94.66 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:20:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 01:20:49 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Golang and GUI toolkits on FreeBSD From: "Sam Fourman Jr." To: Waitman Gobble Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: freebsd general questions X-BeenThere: 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10.27.214.136 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:42:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:42:34 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Golang and GUI toolkits on FreeBSD From: Waitman Gobble To: "Sam Fourman Jr." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd general questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 07:42:37 -0000 On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:25 PM, Waitman Gobble wrote: > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:20 PM, Sam Fourman Jr. wrote: >> >> >>> Its curious that CXX is set to g++, but the c compiler is set to cc >>> defaulting to clang.. sounds yucky to me. >>> >>> is your include and lib path set right? >> >> >> I am not sure how to find the path settings, what command would I run? >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Sam Fourman Jr. > > # pkg info | grep gtk > gio-sharp-2.22.3_1 GIO bindings not available in gtk-sharp > gqview-2.0.4_15 Another gtk2-based graphic file viewer > gtk-engines2-2.20.2_2 Theme engine for the GTK+-2.0 toolkit > gtk-sharp-beans-2.14.1_1 Extensions on top of GTK-sharp > gtk-sharp20-2.12.10_3 GTK+ and GNOME interfaces for the .NET runtime > gtk-update-icon-cache-2.24.25 Gtk-update-icon-cache utility from the > Gtk+ toolkit > gtk-xfce-engine-3.0.1_1 Xfce gtk theme engine > gtk12-1.2.10_24 Gimp Toolkit for X11 GUI (previous > stable version) > gtk2-2.24.25_1 Gimp Toolkit for X11 GUI (previous > stable version) > gtk3-3.14.7 Gimp Toolkit for X11 GUI (current stable version) > gtkmm24-2.24.4_2 C++ wrapper for Gtk+ > gtkspell-2.0.16_5 GTK+ 2 spell checking component > libcanberra-gtk3-0.30_3 Implementation of the Freedesktop sound > theme spec > linux-f10-gtk2-2.14.7_5 GTK+ library, version 2.X (Linux Fedora 10) > py27-gtk2-2.24.0_3 Set of Python bindings for GTK+ > webkit-gtk2-2.4.8 Opensource browser engine using the > GTK+ 2 toolkit > webkit-gtk3-2.4.8 Opensource browser engine using the > GTK+ 3 toolkit > wx28-gtk2-common-2.8.12_5 The wxWidgets GUI toolkit (common files) > wx28-gtk2-unicode-2.8.12_5 The wxWidgets GUI toolkit (Unicode) > > > # gtk-config --prefix --libs --cflags > /usr/local > -I/usr/local/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/local/include/glib-1.2 > -I/usr/local/lib/glib/include -I/usr/local/include > -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/lib -lgtk -lgdk -lgmodule -lglib -lintl > -lXi -lXext -lX11 -lm > > > I would presume that gtk3-config would exist? but it's not there. :) > > let me try the go thingy and see what happens over here. > > > -- > Waitman Gobble > Los Altos California USA > 510-830-7975 oh, duh. i see. #pkgconf --cflags gtk+-3.0 I/usr/local/include/gtk-3.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pixman-1 -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gdk-pixbuf-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libpng16 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/at-spi2-atk/2.0 -I/usr/local/include/at-spi-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/harfbuzz -I/usr/local/include/gio-unix-2.0/ -pthread -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include # pkgconf --libs gtk+-3.0 -lgtk-3 -lgdk-3 -lpangocairo-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -latk-1.0 -lcairo-gobject -lcairo -pthread -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lgio-2.0 -lgobject-2.0 -L/usr/local/lib -lglib-2.0 -lintl -- Waitman Gobble Los Altos California USA 510-830-7975 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 18 07:52:04 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09383533 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 07:52:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-f173.google.com (mail-we0-f173.google.com [74.125.82.173]) 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gk11mr2340151wic.32.1424245916313; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:51:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.27.94.66 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:51:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 01:51:56 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Golang and GUI toolkits on FreeBSD From: "Sam Fourman Jr." To: Waitman Gobble Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: freebsd general questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 07:52:04 -0000 Thank you for your help, here is what I have pkg info | grep gtk avahi-gtk3-0.6.31_2 Gtk+ 3 library to the Avahi mDNS system avahi-header-0.6.31 Install an avahi-gtk* header to avoid conflict clutter-gtk3-1.6.0 GTK+ Integration library for Clutter colord-gtk-0.1.25_3 Manage color profiles to accurately color input/output devices gtk-doc-1.21 Code documentation system, originally for GTK+ gtk-engines2-2.20.2_2 Theme engine for the GTK+-2.0 toolkit gtk-murrine-engine-0.98.2_4 Murrine GTK+ 2.x cairo based engine gtk-update-icon-cache-2.24.25 Gtk-update-icon-cache utility from the Gtk+ toolkit gtk-vnc-0.4.4_3 VNC viewer widget for GTK+ gtk2-2.24.25_1 Gimp Toolkit for X11 GUI (previous stable version) gtk3-3.14.7 Gimp Toolkit for X11 GUI (current stable version) gtkhtml4-4.8.5 Lightweight HTML rendering/printing/editing engine gtkmm24-2.24.4_2 C++ wrapper for Gtk+ gtkmm30-3.14.0 C++ wrapper for Gtk+3 gtksourceview2-2.10.5_4 Widget that adds syntax highlighting to GtkTextView gtksourceview3-3.14.3 Text widget that adds syntax highlighting to the GtkTextView widget gtkspell-2.0.16_5 GTK+ 2 spell checking component gtkspell3-3.0.6 GTK+ 3 spell checking component libcanberra-gtk3-0.30_3 Implementation of the Freedesktop sound theme spec py27-gtk2-2.24.0_3 Set of Python bindings for GTK+ py27-gtksourceview-2.10.1_1 Python bindings for GtkSourceView 2 transmission-gtk-2.84_4 Fast and lightweight GTK+2 BitTorrent client webkit-gtk3-2.4.8 Opensource browser engine using the GTK+ 3 toolkit pkgconf --cflags gtk+-3.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-3.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pixman-1 -DMESA_EGL_NO_X11_HEADERS -I/usr/local/include/libdrm -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gdk-pixbuf-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libpng16 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/at-spi2-atk/2.0 -I/usr/local/include/at-spi-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/harfbuzz -I/usr/local/include/gio-unix-2.0/ -pthread -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include pkgconf --libs gtk+-3.0 -lgtk-3 -lgdk-3 -lpangocairo-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -latk-1.0 -lcairo-gobject -lcairo -pthread -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lgio-2.0 -lgobject-2.0 -L/usr/local/lib -lglib-2.0 -lintl On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 1:42 AM, Waitman Gobble wrote: > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:25 PM, Waitman Gobble > wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:20 PM, Sam Fourman Jr. > wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Its curious that CXX is set to g++, but the c compiler is set to cc > >>> defaulting to clang.. sounds yucky to me. > >>> > >>> is your include and lib path set right? > >> > >> > >> I am not sure how to find the path settings, what command would I run? > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Sam Fourman Jr. > > > > # pkg info | grep gtk > > gio-sharp-2.22.3_1 GIO bindings not available in gtk-sharp > > gqview-2.0.4_15 Another gtk2-based graphic file viewer > > gtk-engines2-2.20.2_2 Theme engine for the GTK+-2.0 toolkit > > gtk-sharp-beans-2.14.1_1 Extensions on top of GTK-sharp > > gtk-sharp20-2.12.10_3 GTK+ and GNOME interfaces for the .NET > runtime > > gtk-update-icon-cache-2.24.25 Gtk-update-icon-cache utility from the > > Gtk+ toolkit > > gtk-xfce-engine-3.0.1_1 Xfce gtk theme engine > > gtk12-1.2.10_24 Gimp Toolkit for X11 GUI (previous > > stable version) > > gtk2-2.24.25_1 Gimp Toolkit for X11 GUI (previous > > stable version) > > gtk3-3.14.7 Gimp Toolkit for X11 GUI (current stable > version) > > gtkmm24-2.24.4_2 C++ wrapper for Gtk+ > > gtkspell-2.0.16_5 GTK+ 2 spell checking component > > libcanberra-gtk3-0.30_3 Implementation of the Freedesktop sound > > theme spec > > linux-f10-gtk2-2.14.7_5 GTK+ library, version 2.X (Linux Fedora > 10) > > py27-gtk2-2.24.0_3 Set of Python bindings for GTK+ > > webkit-gtk2-2.4.8 Opensource browser engine using the > > GTK+ 2 toolkit > > webkit-gtk3-2.4.8 Opensource browser engine using the > > GTK+ 3 toolkit > > wx28-gtk2-common-2.8.12_5 The wxWidgets GUI toolkit (common files) > > wx28-gtk2-unicode-2.8.12_5 The wxWidgets GUI toolkit (Unicode) > > > > > > # gtk-config --prefix --libs --cflags > > /usr/local > > -I/usr/local/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/local/include/glib-1.2 > > -I/usr/local/lib/glib/include -I/usr/local/include > > -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/lib -lgtk -lgdk -lgmodule -lglib -lintl > > -lXi -lXext -lX11 -lm > > > > > > I would presume that gtk3-config would exist? but it's not there. :) > > > > let me try the go thingy and see what happens over here. > > > > > > -- > > Waitman Gobble > > Los Altos California USA > > 510-830-7975 > > oh, duh. i see. > #pkgconf --cflags gtk+-3.0 > > I/usr/local/include/gtk-3.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo > -I/usr/local/include/pixman-1 -D_THREAD_SAFE > -I/usr/local/include/gdk-pixbuf-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libpng16 > -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/at-spi2-atk/2.0 > -I/usr/local/include/at-spi-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 > -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 > -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/harfbuzz > -I/usr/local/include/gio-unix-2.0/ -pthread > -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include > -I/usr/local/include > > # pkgconf --libs gtk+-3.0 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x3so3132333wes.6 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 00:22:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=RKJ+E40gwiVEQpygt6hIOMRzbU0jgnisWuprhRh7TLw=; b=jN0ewjMIYuNQ2oXq220iy3RMr6jZGCVtcjOBfW594FdZ8qTxezZDdE+E1Yyi+gkYY3 Auqw7WcSRf3ZQxR47hBEKNP2tfsiLqMis7WVHaTZ1i+7r8aJEoB5/HoUaqAi3SGzrfrp mDzuuROma0mpgPb+eGWMPb3iLZRVVDg/8D2L0ccez9AHcv8LQfG51yx3Qcd1EaW0NShp 8YgRySHyoxjPJ5k6JciHLuWSFc4v94sbRs+6VQOf9ZsqubuBw/11LSZZAfMeaQLMcY0I kJHas8BWuaGwE9JnINkO3/IDp34TCHRtZiinmXWBFZcTLY0aKNEG6bUx4ywrdC/0n9k3 LmHw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.195.12.35 with SMTP id en3mr6072258wjd.129.1424247774215; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 00:22:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.27.214.136 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 00:22:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 00:22:54 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Golang and GUI toolkits on FreeBSD From: Waitman Gobble To: "Sam Fourman Jr." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd general questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 08:22:56 -0000 On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:42 PM, Waitman Gobble wrote: > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:25 PM, Waitman Gobble wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:20 PM, Sam Fourman Jr. wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Its curious that CXX is set to g++, but the c compiler is set to cc >>>> defaulting to clang.. sounds yucky to me. >>>> >>>> is your include and lib path set right? >>> >>> >>> I am not sure how to find the path settings, what command would I run? >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Sam Fourman Jr. >> >> # pkg info | grep gtk >> gio-sharp-2.22.3_1 GIO bindings not available in gtk-sharp >> gqview-2.0.4_15 Another gtk2-based graphic file viewer >> gtk-engines2-2.20.2_2 Theme engine for the GTK+-2.0 toolkit >> gtk-sharp-beans-2.14.1_1 Extensions on top of GTK-sharp >> gtk-sharp20-2.12.10_3 GTK+ and GNOME interfaces for the .NET runtime >> gtk-update-icon-cache-2.24.25 Gtk-update-icon-cache utility from the >> Gtk+ toolkit >> gtk-xfce-engine-3.0.1_1 Xfce gtk theme engine >> gtk12-1.2.10_24 Gimp Toolkit for X11 GUI (previous >> stable version) >> gtk2-2.24.25_1 Gimp Toolkit for X11 GUI (previous >> stable version) >> gtk3-3.14.7 Gimp Toolkit for X11 GUI (current stable version) >> gtkmm24-2.24.4_2 C++ wrapper for Gtk+ >> gtkspell-2.0.16_5 GTK+ 2 spell checking component >> libcanberra-gtk3-0.30_3 Implementation of the Freedesktop sound >> theme spec >> linux-f10-gtk2-2.14.7_5 GTK+ library, version 2.X (Linux Fedora 10) >> py27-gtk2-2.24.0_3 Set of Python bindings for GTK+ >> webkit-gtk2-2.4.8 Opensource browser engine using the >> GTK+ 2 toolkit >> webkit-gtk3-2.4.8 Opensource browser engine using the >> GTK+ 3 toolkit >> wx28-gtk2-common-2.8.12_5 The wxWidgets GUI toolkit (common files) >> wx28-gtk2-unicode-2.8.12_5 The wxWidgets GUI toolkit (Unicode) >> >> >> # gtk-config --prefix --libs --cflags >> /usr/local >> -I/usr/local/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/local/include/glib-1.2 >> -I/usr/local/lib/glib/include -I/usr/local/include >> -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/lib -lgtk -lgdk -lgmodule -lglib -lintl >> -lXi -lXext -lX11 -lm >> >> >> I would presume that gtk3-config would exist? but it's not there. :) >> >> let me try the go thingy and see what happens over here. >> >> >> -- >> Waitman Gobble >> Los Altos California USA >> 510-830-7975 > > oh, duh. i see. > #pkgconf --cflags gtk+-3.0 > > I/usr/local/include/gtk-3.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo > -I/usr/local/include/pixman-1 -D_THREAD_SAFE > -I/usr/local/include/gdk-pixbuf-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libpng16 > -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/at-spi2-atk/2.0 > -I/usr/local/include/at-spi-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 > -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 > -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/harfbuzz > -I/usr/local/include/gio-unix-2.0/ -pthread > -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include > -I/usr/local/include > > # pkgconf --libs gtk+-3.0 > -lgtk-3 -lgdk-3 -lpangocairo-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -latk-1.0 -lcairo-gobject > -lcairo -pthread -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lgio-2.0 -lgobject-2.0 > -L/usr/local/lib -lglib-2.0 -lintl > > -- > Waitman Gobble > Los Altos California USA > 510-830-7975 ok, maybe this is now working? can you try.. # setenv GOPATH /usr/local # go get github.com/andlabs/ui (barfs with errors as you mentioned) cd /usr/local/src/github.com/andlabs/ui take a look at the cgo specs in uitask_unix.go for example: // #cgo pkg-config: gtk+-3.0 // #cgo CFLAGS: --std=c99 // #include "gtk_unix.h" // extern gboolean xdoissue(gpointer data); import "C" it's using pkg-config to get the CFLAGS, LDFLAGS etc.. so it should work. I think there is an issue with cgo using 'cc' when it is undefined... try this? # cd /usr/local/src/github.com/andlabs/ui # setenv CC clang # go build (wait .. hey there are no more errors, YAY) # cd examples/basicwindow # go build # ./basicwindow * a window pops up * OK so i think this is working with setenv CC clang (or use export depending on your shell) { but I'd change your CXX to clang++ } -- Waitman Gobble Los Altos California USA 510-830-7975 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 18 08:36:39 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD4945C0 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 08:36:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-x235.google.com (mail-wg0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40F22334 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 08:36:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f53.google.com with SMTP id a1so24148747wgh.12 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 00:36:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=nPe8/WqxZkt3RZdXZIcyxa4fZfpZKIZ2g5M2ZgaJs+M=; b=jzp8BQKLUIEMMD+YNg6cUM2C8VUMCW1OQ98zMhPdmYVF4CiF8yCg4q6E/WFDkXZ8oC DcPQ1nQ9alSD5SaKVntx471isnErINfHGbz6yGaPGSCchukE8ZKWnTZ/RNOubrY+eI8s 1JdmYuOXZ85ZK/u+ScG8zmTJ+4kTfQzN/XD+X5YW9l/omSHDPJKAAo9DXbuRv6yoPyuq Ioe8KsSSaJHP5jGZyZ0awxtEBzAvu0mP2WBri5rlgclqm8CjRKcUs5cPUevsfeD7PtY3 pSB5FKBbgtfAyRfjnyfuYCPVVrJOGBC0ZRNtnGhu5njHTbr9cVAwPMA+j2Y8lN72Wtzr NbQg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.93.134 with SMTP id cu6mr6467291wjb.79.1424248597581; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 00:36:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.27.94.66 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 00:36:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 02:36:37 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Golang and GUI toolkits on FreeBSD From: "Sam Fourman Jr." To: Waitman Gobble Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: freebsd general questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 08:36:39 -0000 This Worked!!! wow thank you much!! On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 2:22 AM, Waitman Gobble wrote: > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:42 PM, Waitman Gobble > wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:25 PM, Waitman Gobble > wrote: > >> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:20 PM, Sam Fourman Jr. > wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Its curious that CXX is set to g++, but the c compiler is set to cc > >>>> defaulting to clang.. sounds yucky to me. > >>>> > >>>> is your include and lib path set right? > >>> > >>> > >>> I am not sure how to find the path settings, what command would I run? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> Sam Fourman Jr. > >> > >> # pkg info | grep gtk > >> gio-sharp-2.22.3_1 GIO bindings not available in gtk-sharp > >> gqview-2.0.4_15 Another gtk2-based graphic file viewer > >> gtk-engines2-2.20.2_2 Theme engine for the GTK+-2.0 toolkit > >> gtk-sharp-beans-2.14.1_1 Extensions on top of GTK-sharp > >> gtk-sharp20-2.12.10_3 GTK+ and GNOME interfaces for the .NET > runtime > >> gtk-update-icon-cache-2.24.25 Gtk-update-icon-cache utility from the > >> Gtk+ toolkit > >> gtk-xfce-engine-3.0.1_1 Xfce gtk theme engine > >> gtk12-1.2.10_24 Gimp Toolkit for X11 GUI (previous > >> stable version) > >> gtk2-2.24.25_1 Gimp Toolkit for X11 GUI (previous > >> stable version) > >> gtk3-3.14.7 Gimp Toolkit for X11 GUI (current stable > version) > >> gtkmm24-2.24.4_2 C++ wrapper for Gtk+ > >> gtkspell-2.0.16_5 GTK+ 2 spell checking component > >> libcanberra-gtk3-0.30_3 Implementation of the Freedesktop sound > >> theme spec > >> linux-f10-gtk2-2.14.7_5 GTK+ library, version 2.X (Linux Fedora > 10) > >> py27-gtk2-2.24.0_3 Set of Python bindings for GTK+ > >> webkit-gtk2-2.4.8 Opensource browser engine using the > >> GTK+ 2 toolkit > >> webkit-gtk3-2.4.8 Opensource browser engine using the > >> GTK+ 3 toolkit > >> wx28-gtk2-common-2.8.12_5 The wxWidgets GUI toolkit (common files) > >> wx28-gtk2-unicode-2.8.12_5 The wxWidgets GUI toolkit (Unicode) > >> > >> > >> # gtk-config --prefix --libs --cflags > >> /usr/local > >> -I/usr/local/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/local/include/glib-1.2 > >> -I/usr/local/lib/glib/include -I/usr/local/include > >> -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/lib -lgtk -lgdk -lgmodule -lglib -lintl > >> -lXi -lXext -lX11 -lm > >> > >> > >> I would presume that gtk3-config would exist? but it's not there. :) > >> > >> let me try the go thingy and see what happens over here. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Waitman Gobble > >> Los Altos California USA > >> 510-830-7975 > > > > oh, duh. i see. > > #pkgconf --cflags gtk+-3.0 > > > > I/usr/local/include/gtk-3.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo > > -I/usr/local/include/pixman-1 -D_THREAD_SAFE > > -I/usr/local/include/gdk-pixbuf-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libpng16 > > -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/at-spi2-atk/2.0 > > -I/usr/local/include/at-spi-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 > > -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 > > -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/harfbuzz > > -I/usr/local/include/gio-unix-2.0/ -pthread > > -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include > > -I/usr/local/include > > > > # pkgconf --libs gtk+-3.0 > > -lgtk-3 -lgdk-3 -lpangocairo-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -latk-1.0 -lcairo-gobject > > -lcairo -pthread -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lgio-2.0 -lgobject-2.0 > > -L/usr/local/lib -lglib-2.0 -lintl > > > > -- > > Waitman Gobble > > Los Altos California USA > > 510-830-7975 > > > > > ok, maybe this is now working? can you try.. > > # setenv GOPATH /usr/local > # go get github.com/andlabs/ui > (barfs with errors as you mentioned) > > cd /usr/local/src/github.com/andlabs/ui > > take a look at the cgo specs in uitask_unix.go for example: > > // #cgo pkg-config: gtk+-3.0 > // #cgo CFLAGS: --std=c99 > // #include "gtk_unix.h" > // extern gboolean xdoissue(gpointer data); > import "C" > > it's using pkg-config to get the CFLAGS, LDFLAGS etc.. so it should work. > > I think there is an issue with cgo using 'cc' when it is undefined... try > this? > > # cd /usr/local/src/github.com/andlabs/ui > # setenv CC clang > # go build > (wait .. hey there are no more errors, YAY) > > # cd examples/basicwindow > # go build > # ./basicwindow > * a window pops up * > > OK so i think this is working with setenv CC clang (or use export > depending on your shell) > > { but I'd change your CXX to clang++ } > > -- > Waitman Gobble > Los Altos California USA > 510-830-7975 > -- Sam Fourman Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 18 09:22:11 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C20E2F6 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from formentor.toolfactory.net (pina.toolfactory.net [213.97.158.39]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD16A3C for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:22:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by formentor.toolfactory.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B131177687 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:13:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from formentor.toolfactory.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (formentor.toolfactory.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id bYtEWY9kNrQY for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:13:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by formentor.toolfactory.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 299D61776B1 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:13:32 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at logpmzimmta01v.toolfactory.net Received: from formentor.toolfactory.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (formentor.toolfactory.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id S7AY3q7v15Zw for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:13:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from xorrigo.toolfactory.net (unknown [192.168.2.210]) by formentor.toolfactory.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04AAD177687 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:13:32 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:13:45 +0100 (CET) From: Raimund Sacherer Reply-To: Raimund Sacherer To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <535737942.88794111.1424250825035.JavaMail.zimbra@logitravel.com> In-Reply-To: <1630133808.88787292.1424250372563.JavaMail.zimbra@logitravel.com> Subject: setuid diffs in daily security run output MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [192.168.2.213] X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.0.8_GA_6184 (ZimbraWebClient - SAF7 (Mac)/8.0.8_GA_6184) Thread-Topic: setuid diffs in daily security run output Thread-Index: pznrgkaduHaociy+HvjpYmCxOhtLIA== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:22:11 -0000 Hello, This is one of our first FreeBSD servers we use, and I be rather safe than sorry, we put in production a FreeBSD 10.0 system and it is running (in production) a couple of weeks now. Reading the security run emails today i noticed a lot of those: --- snip --- - 587 -r-sr-xr-x 1 root wheel 19912 Jan 16 22:40:07 2014 /bin/rcp - 511 -r-sr-x--- 1 root operator 9880 Jan 16 22:40:33 2014 /sbin/mksnap_ffs - 471 -r-sr-xr-x 1 root wheel 28024 Jan 16 22:40:34 2014 /sbin/ping - 546 -r-sr-xr-x 1 root wheel 36496 Jan 16 22:40:34 2014 /sbin/ping6 - 528 -r-sr-x--- 2 root operator 15656 Jan 16 22:40:34 2014 /sbin/poweroff - 528 -r-sr-x--- 2 root operator 15656 Jan 16 22:40:34 2014 /sbin/shutdown - 672 -r-sr-xr-x 4 root wheel 28528 Jan 16 22:41:00 2014 /usr/bin/at - 672 -r-sr-xr-x 4 root wheel 28528 Jan 16 22:41:00 2014 /usr/bin/atq --- snip --- I did not see those messages before, but I do read normally those mails. So I checked with stat: File: "/bin/rcp" Size: 19912 FileType: Regular File Mode: (4555/-r-sr-xr-x) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ wheel) Device: 71,202637507 Inode: 587 Links: 1 Access: Thu Jan 16 23:40:07 2014 Modify: Thu Jan 16 23:40:07 2014 Change: Fri Aug 1 18:15:30 2014 But there are no strange modifications recently ... How come those messages are today in the security output? Are those permissions correct? Should I be worried about an intruder? Best Ray From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 18 10:02:08 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 399436F4 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:02:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bede.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ACED5E19 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:02:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.home.qeng-ho.org (8.14.9/8.14.7) with ESMTP id t1IA235b067726; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:02:04 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Message-ID: <54E4631B.2040500@qeng-ho.org> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:02:03 +0000 From: Arthur Chance User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kpneal@pobox.com, Ralf Mardorf Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <20150217202411.GA42894@neutralgood.org> <20150217222744.0a9b1d87@archlinux> <54E3BF90.9060609@gmail.com> <20150218000401.2ec1bf7a@archlinux> <54E3D7A5.9000304@radel.com> <20150218011556.4b3e6096@archlinux> <20150218030315.GC49517@neutralgood.org> In-Reply-To: <20150218030315.GC49517@neutralgood.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:02:08 -0000 On 18/02/2015 03:03, kpneal@pobox.com wrote: > On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 01:15:56AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:07:01 -0500, Jon Radel wrote: >>> On 2/17/15 6:04 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>>> On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:24:16 -0700, jd1008 wrote: >>>>> A people's tribunal of highly capable software and hardware >>>>> engineers is desperately needed to look into the source codes of >>>>> all SW and HW designs and implementations - including the compilers >>>>> and assemblers. >>>> We are still free to write Assembler opcode using an hex editor, that >>>> way nothing could go wrong. When I started, I didn't write opcode >>>> using an hex editor, but I used an Assmbler editor that didn't >>>> provide macros, this editor was close to an hex editor. There was no >>>> way to correct something by inserting code. >>>> >>> And you expect the microcode to only implement the documented >>> instruction set with no extra goodies? Trusting sort you are. >> >> :D >> >> Then we indeed need to reed every single line that is in the >> RAMs/ROMs/etc.. Hahaha, I still remember how much days I needed to get >> through a 2 KiB listing of Assembler on listing paper. I suspect it's >> impossible to check 20 MiBs and more of software that way. > > You guys should hang out on the Cypherpunks lists. Those guys talk about > doing things like tearing down chips to analyze the circuitry. And then > someone will point out that variations in doping may cause issues that you > won't find with a simple chip teardown. And so on and so on. Like this paper (titled Stealthy Dopant-Level Hardware Trojans) http://sharps.org/wp-content/uploads/BECKER-CHES.pdf A quick search for "hardware trojan" turns up enough material to fuel nightmares for the paranoid. > *shakes head* > > And normal folk wonder why I don't trust computers. > That's perfectly normal for sysadmins. :-) -- Those who do not learn from computing history are doomed to GOTO 1 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 18 11:56:09 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3890EB50 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:56:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-x230.google.com (mail-yk0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D82AECA7 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:56:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f176.google.com with SMTP id 142so307955ykq.7 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 03:56:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:mime-version:content-type; bh=meYQzco/CII3DMCPx1Bb9U4Wp67+nhr1Kh15A/grrg8=; b=rH50SCm93kOYY9ZkfRoiAv1CdRhwW+ulAKTTf1Cnz0ecNAOP99HuFLYGPkgUlNTd8V tKE2DUuoHawolm1e9RS+KbgzgIC8w0+LQktS3NU1O8HRR4eWZ0MNdAef6xGT75fPU+Ti WLV5Lv2XtAQTutgVuKGe4iESxk09jjr6eEr/4= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:reply-to:organization:mime-version:content-type; bh=meYQzco/CII3DMCPx1Bb9U4Wp67+nhr1Kh15A/grrg8=; b=QC2bESAFfRVBEnqPPuA1MY6/hOjPEZd4brCEoE7z28QcVMTnqgFPRLerfl1YlBE7tG py3twCgIUNkCievxwSTfbx6IkRXQDVxOCgqTTkaxw0JKt7Nw5ZwUXpFC7xy4H+nNKdJx bdtIJKP7YwhxQXiZXgNKjrOpgLopelWLTW2HK6HmhhClfJLqj/XQiPP72QVmVlw/gZRW XneFICSOPddVfxeTSkqpyS2VOu466e/JJr1ZlTWzfCrY8csd190D4SdoDPnfH0ChkFmC KevbqAwowzvA3JU6IPB8gDKz6GqluTjwYeiAejuHB68IxyQy6Hzn3KLCuNsmk3kYlayS o8YA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmrgFs+bhpafZwkiOmQfSTD7lMZvVtDQIfCIsE1hRl3k5QKOT6s0GL6DP0iE1VcEhi4eRXj X-Received: by 10.236.199.75 with SMTP id w51mr5527395yhn.129.1424259233632; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 03:33:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 61sm16104080yhe.50.2015.02.18.03.33.52 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 18 Feb 2015 03:33:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com [76.182.104.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3knH4c0wKXz3DlVR for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 06:33:52 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.6 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 06:33:39 -0500 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? Message-ID: <20150218063339.660115ba@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20150218030315.GC49517@neutralgood.org> References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <20150217202411.GA42894@neutralgood.org> <20150217222744.0a9b1d87@archlinux> <54E3BF90.9060609@gmail.com> <20150218000401.2ec1bf7a@archlinux> <54E3D7A5.9000304@radel.com> <20150218011556.4b3e6096@archlinux> <20150218030315.GC49517@neutralgood.org> Reply-To: User questions Organization: seibercom NET X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/nYk3hbjcS0MbY.k7anAg_Mr"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:56:09 -0000 --Sig_/nYk3hbjcS0MbY.k7anAg_Mr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:03:15 -0500, kpneal@pobox.com stated: >And normal folk wonder why I don't trust computers. Most normal, AKA not paranoid people, and even a few paranoid ones, trust computers. What they don't trust is the people that operate the computers. A computer is only a tool. It is as benevolent or evil as the operator. --=20 Jerry =E2=80=9CThat guy's gotta stop... He'll see us." -- James Dean said to frie= nd Rolf W=C3=BCtherich in 1955 after being advised to slow his driving speed, momen= ts before a head-on collision took his life.=20 --Sig_/nYk3hbjcS0MbY.k7anAg_Mr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJU5HiTAAoJEElTsHIJnX8eHvkH/2ZLMXddnCZ3Yxg+BJCZ7gqY yRp9LYtv4FdE8hldf4SSp6Ol6dFKdwsz9dqufmK9HtKK3Hiu/xgpyG+FEaKZqqM1 K08N7M7fxLKnCH4Zr6onwAq85Pc2OQSct8vpj+fLjLcysPz2mAIHG+JVypfSH8qz AS4A/fvxQI8As29HNqejm6c5g53ZdaNwHrCNKoRZtn/LwqXXk8arUyGTOGpa6/Qv gN+2ciebdXnfNyeEh7QxQykRql26Edj+Gkyc5H4hsTWHFV9WIWnCIQIQBDYm4aBe L5GmAoJYw1j6tYnoh4WDZK43wMhb4LvUd48TFRcjKZBh0mlRo/lXxEJPgRrKm0U= =LWlC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/nYk3hbjcS0MbY.k7anAg_Mr-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 18 15:34:35 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C1C79CE for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:34:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A98D08DC for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:34:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id t1IFYOQd015987; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 02:34:25 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 02:34:24 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Michael Powell Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20150219022927.F38620@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:34:35 -0000 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 559, Issue 3, Message: 4 On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 00:51:39 -0500 Michael Powell wrote: > Daniel Feenberg wrote: > > > > On Tue, 17 Feb 2015, Michael Powell wrote: > > > >> [snip] > >> > >> Remove the cover. Remove the platters. Smash all platters with large > >> sledge hammer until all pieces are fairly small. Melt material with > >> oxyacetylene welders torch. Repeat smashing with hammer. Soak for few > >> hours in hydrofluoric acid. Rinse and allow to dry. Grind material into a > >> fine particulate dust. Dispose of out the back of airplane while flying > >> or drop into convenient nearby volcano. That might be good enough. > >> > >> Send the electronic components to Kaspersky for analysis. > > > > I did once investigate claims that overwritten sectors could be read by > > sophisticated instruments and posted my results at: > > > > http://www.nber.org/sys-admin/overwritten-data-gutmann.html > > > > > > In short - that is pure science fiction. > > > > daniel feenberg > > I'm autistic. I've always had a problem getting sarcasm right. Still working > on it... 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If you are no longer interested in receiving messages or feel you are receiving this message in error, *Unsubscribe From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 18 17:32:01 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C90CE427 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:32:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lb1-smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net (lb1-smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net [194.109.24.22]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Bizanga Labs SMTP Client Certificate", Issuer "Bizanga Labs CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D4F2AB6 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:32:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.home ([83.162.243.5]) by smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net with ESMTP id ttWn1p00D07iGuj01tWoRV; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:30:48 +0100 Received: by slackbox.erewhon.home (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 82B0412429; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:30:47 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:30:47 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Michael Powell Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? Message-ID: <20150218173047.GA53030@slackbox.erewhon.home> Mail-Followup-To: Michael Powell , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:32:01 -0000 --oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 04:04:36PM -0500, Michael Powell wrote: > jd1008 wrote: >=20 > [snip]=20 >=20 > Remove the cover. Remove the platters. Smash all platters with large sled= ge=20 > hammer until all pieces are fairly small. Melt material with oxyacetylene= =20 > welders torch. Repeat smashing with hammer. Soak for few hours in=20 > hydrofluoric acid. Probably a case of the cure being worse than the disease! OTOH, HF can definitely free you of all worries about harddrives. Of course if you *really* want to dial it up to 11 you go directly for ClF3. Pouring that in the enclosure would probably make further steps unneccesary. 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How can I get rid of it? Message-Id: <20150218183222.2d09d17f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <54E3BEBA.1060801@gmail.com> References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <54E3BEBA.1060801@gmail.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:32:27 -0000 On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:20:42 -0700, jd1008 wrote: > Well, Windows comprises like.... what? 90%? 95%? of > laptops and desktop computers. Is that not the case? > So it makes sense that dll's and registery would be > mentioned. But I am convinced that Unix'es and Linux'es > are also included for such infiltration. Placing software "infront" of the OS is always a good way to deal with cautious users who might simply delete the "Windows" and install an operating system on their computer. For that "target group", using the typical malware doesn't work. So putting "nasty" stuff in the disk's firmware is one of the possible ways. A different approach is to put "nasty" software in routers and printers, because unlike desktop computers, nobody(TM) really can check what's going on there, and really-nobody(TM) will load different software into those devices. So what do you get in the end? A fully programmable computer in the center of a network, and nobody cares, because the printer is happily printing, and the Internet is up. So move on, nothing to see here... :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 18 17:33:56 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D267458C for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:33:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90CE1AE6 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:33:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-149-162.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.149.162]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 10ABC3CDC0; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:26:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t1IHQ2kW002184; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:26:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:26:02 +0100 From: Polytropon To: jd1008 Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? Message-Id: <20150218182602.dbb5df41.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:33:56 -0000 On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:07:31 -0700, jd1008 wrote: > http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/16/us-usa-cyberspying-idUSKBN0LK1QV20150216 It's the "same" stuff that's in your smartphone and in your USB sticks. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 18 17:37:34 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63ABCA3A for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:37:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2114FB83 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:37:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-149-162.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.149.162]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 884B63CDA7; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:37:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t1IHbVOW002216; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:37:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:37:31 +0100 From: Polytropon To: jd1008 Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? Message-Id: <20150218183731.b071a6dd.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <54E3BF90.9060609@gmail.com> References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <20150217202411.GA42894@neutralgood.org> <20150217222744.0a9b1d87@archlinux> <54E3BF90.9060609@gmail.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:37:34 -0000 On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:24:16 -0700, jd1008 wrote: > I believe a major overhaul of the software industry (both open source > and commercial) is way way overdue. This won't happen, especially because commercial software (and the industry behind it) controls (!) the universe by clever marketing, re-education, and brainwashing (until it's nice and clean). Their goal is to make money, and their purpose is to make more money, that's why they will not let any change happen. Change is bad, you know? And keep in mind: Improvement _is_ change. Growth (in terms of the shareholders' money) is the only acceptable change, because it's a constant. :-) > A people's tribunal of highly capable software and hardware engineers > is desperately needed to look into the source codes of all SW and HW > designs and implementations - including the compilers and assemblers. Again, this won't happen, as man's fixation on money will allow those in control of money determine the outcome of the action of that tribunal. You can see the same effect in action in almost any legal system. The same applies to certifications ("certified safety"). In most cases, an actual prove isn't needed (and sometimes, it's not even possible due to closed source), but when your money is on the counter, you'll get the shiny badge - it's that simple and easy. Again allow me to mention that this doesn't just apply to software - it applies to "real life", too. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 18 17:59:43 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67DC81F9 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:59:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm22.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm22.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.46]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD6B8DA5 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:59:41 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1424282228; bh=A/APRxVXxt12Hk+6I23+gyHvPDtDAU0oDlNd0P1bFF8=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=s2/3z2bsWjhX2egrVJC5izA8ieb41JQCe+YgmIK4R9S0gZ6QjufDjOCZJkEHkesqW+GLZv82rLI9W7+aWjuR200Pgg/VyBiefZmZj4TohPyBGtpkHihWhfuoSrJAmQnDRxJa9bbpJcNcAIwF4HxV/QcvTVLJ/Xn+QL8h7sUVugYWOMXiVMeYASqUMoYqUG0VEesMhKBXVrFCMFoyKSBz43fOwEUnD2SpLp4zO0DWI0B1GrkasBVJXUQA6ZeLz0ScCE+dZdVehmXbCgWvfCeXIVYvZm2bVrm0mfXBvR0n7cNXu9U9VUC4fWqAucKdypdYm3ulCSf47s82K61y3tqZtw== Received: from [212.82.98.125] by nm22.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2015 17:57:08 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.95] by tm18.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2015 17:57:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp132.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2015 17:57:08 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 920113.61987.bm@smtp132.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: _R4P.3IVM1mC_H6jibi7WOA9d3iC1VGZ5Kgc.AgcjNTFMiW Zsh788rGig2SndU3uBXSPTmUC5dJWDfGk05pAGteDNEl29jDZ0j2oFGdbSYV ZIv55sL24T6997WHgGhnUuzjBv3fOkmTp4R9gaSEJ_3sxmNk8hSjnO53WTU6 JWdE.MDJ25FW4BtUBtUSiqtKhWgqy_fwZkgqZtpDY10zk6LuDLqvH85jNCRV QIOV1tsMjOhPLsMXCACPzd_YCN3acNVhzPHKue5CQkT3vb9MYJU3sNqzgfXa A0YQ0l_oexygl06zkG2DoWbPi43gVnajaXao_Z_d8G6M.XYjtEpN_Ea7d.FY LvYB6eM.yfypatA0yK7Tkp4heH_ORpZuc0Ssx3dfXY724hlmhbK700qwEl0f 5ETdVtJcVXZy8WHIIiO7_KJ8iw72HI03Qkk4aWH24CZHA.2i2cwTL3g8fEJ2 mNnkMvZL9JNtz87psI1VKuAXckxKcHLmqjaRxYF2U1nn7viWHsm1OWS_U9KZ DRSKA4j.ZcpK58HQ7Jmg9C7yPD7zR X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:57:08 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? Message-ID: <20150218185708.47f7f805@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20150218183222.2d09d17f.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <54E3BEBA.1060801@gmail.com> <20150218183222.2d09d17f.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1-66-gd6ba813 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Polytropon X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:59:43 -0000 On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:32:22 +0100, Polytropon wrote: >the Internet is up Not necessarily. The computer I use to design strategies to gain world domination isn't connected to the internet. This one isn't a joke :(, I made music with a gifted musician suffering from psychosis. He was convinced that his dental fillings include something, so that the government was able to control his mind. There are many jokes about dental filling psychosis, since it's a wide spread psychosis. This friend already suffered from this psychosis before RFIDs were invented. The real issue is, that this kind of psychosis or just a sane paranoia is possible, because there are really idiots out there, e.g. the people working for intelligence agencies. Ethics is out of style. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 18 18:00:15 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AF56291 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:00:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 474C7DB8 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:00:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-149-162.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.149.162]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4023F3CDEA; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:00:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t1II0CXY002287; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:00:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:00:12 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Ralf Mardorf Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? Message-Id: <20150218190012.d865cbdf.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150218020243.366fe968@archlinux> References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <51803.128.135.70.2.1424219858.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20150218020243.366fe968@archlinux> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:00:15 -0000 On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 02:02:43 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Actually criminal investigation departments seems to be unable to > recover all the data that was deleted by a simple rm command, even on > journaling file systems. Why is it recommended to mount read only, as > soon as possible, if we lose data, to be able to recover that data? Because they use expensive and certified software, highly recommended by qualified and certified consultants, which are also expensive. The highly sophisticated equipment is only accessed by a very restricted set of professional officers who can already distinguish the left mouse button from the right mouse button and have been trained (by skilled and certified educators) to click on little pictures. This approach is safe, because there are procedures, and those are certified. Nothing can go unnoticed, as all involved parts are free of any imaginable error or misbehaviour: the software is idiot-proof, and the officers are... highly qualified experts. Our tax money at work. So what do you expect? :-) > The NSA is able to recover all the data that was deleted all over the > world even by a shred command on a non-journaling FS? If so, the NSA > isn't willing to give hints against child molesters and other criminals, > because the NSA is the watchdog of more important crimes? That's > grotesque. Any organisation has to carefully define its priorities, and when the NSA states: "We could undelete those files, and a child molester has been arrested as a result", the society would scream in fear because they would begin to admit the thought that everything which is possible WILL BE DONE (no matter if we are able to recognize it in the first place). Also keep in mind: there's a difference between "to protect" and "to investigate" - and put that into context with defining priorities... In the end, anti-forensics is where the "real criminals" are actually really good at. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 18 18:09:38 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 395D55BE for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:09:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lb2-smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net (lb2-smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net [194.109.24.26]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Bizanga Labs SMTP Client Certificate", Issuer "Bizanga Labs CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0CDEEB4 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:09:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.home ([83.162.243.5]) by smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net with ESMTP id tu8Q1p00407iGuj01u8R5o; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:08:25 +0100 Received: by slackbox.erewhon.home (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4A43012381; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:08:24 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:08:24 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Valeri Galtsev Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? Message-ID: <20150218180824.GB53030@slackbox.erewhon.home> Mail-Followup-To: Valeri Galtsev , Daniel Feenberg , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <51803.128.135.70.2.1424219858.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9zSXsLTf0vkW971A" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <51803.128.135.70.2.1424219858.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: Daniel Feenberg , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:09:38 -0000 --9zSXsLTf0vkW971A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 06:37:38PM -0600, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >=20 > On Tue, February 17, 2015 5:30 pm, Daniel Feenberg wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, 17 Feb 2015, Michael Powell wrote: > > > >> jd1008 wrote: > >> > >> [snip] > >> > >> Remove the cover. Remove the platters. Smash all platters with large > >> sledge > >> hammer until all pieces are fairly small. Melt material with > >> oxyacetylene > >> welders torch. Repeat smashing with hammer. Soak for few hours in > >> hydrofluoric acid. Rinse and allow to dry. Grind material into a fine > >> particulate dust. Dispose of out the back of airplane while flying or > >> drop > >> into convenient nearby volcano. That might be good enough. > >> > >> Send the electronic components to Kaspersky for analysis. > > > > I did once investigate claims that overwritten sectors could be read by > > sophisticated instruments and posted my results at: > > > > http://www.nber.org/sys-admin/overwritten-data-gutmann.html > > > > In short - that is pure science fiction. > > >=20 > Interesting. I never saw this particular explanation. I have heard that > overwiritten data can be recovered (to significant extent). =46rom =E2=80=9COverwriting Hard Drive Data: The Great Wiping Controversy= =E2=80=9D by Craig Wright, Dave Kleiman, and Shyaam Sundhar R.S; To start with; The acquisition time for 1 byte is about 4 minutes. At that speed, you can read 128 KiB in a year! Furthermore: Consequently, we can categorically state that there is a minimal (less than a 0.01% chance) of recovering any data on a NEW and unused drive t= hat has a single raw wipe pass (not even a low-level format). In the cases where a drive has been used (even being formatted for use) it is not possible to recover the information =E2=80=93 there is a small chance o= f bit recovery, but the odds of obtaining a whole word are small. Conclusion: Although there is a good chance of recovery for any individual bit from= a drive, the chances of recovery of any amount of data from a drive using= an electron microscope are negligible. You can get the paper from e.g. http://www.vidarholen.net/~vidar/overwriting_hard_drive_data.pdf A single wipe of a HDD is enough to destroy the data beyond hope of recover= y. For an SSD or other flash-based storage the picture is different. For one thing, because of the controller on those storage devices you cannot be sure that overwriting a block of data on location X actually is written to locat= ion X. 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How can I get rid of it? Message-ID: <20150218191024.1c819e5d@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20150218190012.d865cbdf.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <51803.128.135.70.2.1424219858.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20150218020243.366fe968@archlinux> <20150218190012.d865cbdf.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1-66-gd6ba813 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Polytropon X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:10:32 -0000 On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:00:12 +0100, Polytropon wrote: >On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 02:02:43 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> Actually criminal investigation departments seems to be unable to >> recover all the data that was deleted by a simple rm command, even on >> journaling file systems. Why is it recommended to mount read only, as >> soon as possible, if we lose data, to be able to recover that data? > >Because they use expensive and certified software, >highly recommended by qualified and certified >consultants, which are also expensive. The highly >sophisticated equipment is only accessed by a very >restricted set of professional officers who can >already distinguish the left mouse button from the >right mouse button and have been trained (by skilled >and certified educators) to click on little pictures. >This approach is safe, because there are procedures, >and those are certified. Nothing can go unnoticed, >as all involved parts are free of any imaginable >error or misbehaviour: the software is idiot-proof, >and the officers are... highly qualified experts. >Our tax money at work. So what do you expect? :-) Unfortunately I can't disagree :(. >> The NSA is able to recover all the data that was deleted all over the >> world even by a shred command on a non-journaling FS? If so, the NSA >> isn't willing to give hints against child molesters and other >> criminals, because the NSA is the watchdog of more important crimes? >> That's grotesque. > >Any organisation has to carefully define its priorities, >and when the NSA states: "We could undelete those files, >and a child molester has been arrested as a result", the >society would scream in fear because they would begin to >admit the thought that everything which is possible WILL >BE DONE (no matter if we are able to recognize it in the >first place). Also keep in mind: there's a difference >between "to protect" and "to investigate" - and put that >into context with defining priorities... > >In the end, anti-forensics is where the "real criminals" >are actually really good at. :-) Unfortunately I can't disagree with this too :(. Isn't it a shame? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 18 18:54:48 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8248ABF for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:54:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 645A06DA for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:54:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 1FC6DCB8C9C; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:54:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from 128.135.70.2 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:54:47 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <52304.128.135.70.2.1424285687.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:54:47 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Daniel Feenberg" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <51803.128.135.70.2.1424219858.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20150218180824.GB53030@slackbox.erewhon.home> In-Reply-To: <20150218180824.GB53030@slackbox.erewhon.home> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:54:48 -0000 On Wed, February 18, 2015 12:08 pm, Roland Smith wrote: > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 06:37:38PM -0600, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> On Tue, February 17, 2015 5:30 pm, Daniel Feenberg wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Tue, 17 Feb 2015, Michael Powell wrote: >> > >> >> jd1008 wrote: >> >> >> >> [snip] >> >> >> >> Remove the cover. Remove the platters. Smash all platters with large sledge >> >> hammer until all pieces are fairly small. Melt material with oxyacetylene >> >> welders torch. Repeat smashing with hammer. Soak for few hours in hydrofluoric acid. Rinse and allow to dry. Grind material into a fine >> >> particulate dust. Dispose of out the back of airplane while flying or >> >> drop >> >> into convenient nearby volcano. That might be good enough. >> >> >> >> Send the electronic components to Kaspersky for analysis. >> > >> > I did once investigate claims that overwritten sectors could be read >> by >> > sophisticated instruments and posted my results at: >> > >> > http://www.nber.org/sys-admin/overwritten-data-gutmann.html >> > >> > In short - that is pure science fiction. >> > >> Interesting. I never saw this particular explanation. I have heard that overwiritten data can be recovered (to significant extent). > > From “Overwriting Hard Drive Data: The Great Wiping Controversy†by Craig Wright, > Dave Kleiman, and Shyaam Sundhar R.S; > > To start with; > > The acquisition time for 1 byte is about 4 minutes. > > At that speed, you can read 128 KiB in a year! Furthermore: > > Consequently, we can categorically state that there is a minimal (less > than a 0.01% chance) of recovering any data on a NEW and unused drive > that > has a single raw wipe pass (not even a low-level format). In the cases > where a drive has been used (even being formatted for use) it is not possible to recover the information – there is a small chance of bit > recovery, but the odds of obtaining a whole word are small. > > Conclusion: > > Although there is a good chance of recovery for any individual bit > from a > drive, the chances of recovery of any amount of data from a drive > using an > electron microscope are negligible. > > You can get the paper from e.g. > http://www.vidarholen.net/~vidar/overwriting_hard_drive_data.pdf > Thanks for the reference. Still, you reference has to do with another reference ("Gutman") which basically is about information that stays there due to track misalignment and similar. This, however has nothing to do with what I have described (which is deleted from the quote in this your e-mail; whoever is interested can get back to my original e-mail with lengthy description) which basically is about information that sat on the platter for years in the same physical locations and magnetic domain aging will leave some residual magnetization after it is uniformly magnetized (no matter what happened for short period of time in between). I hope to find that source... Valeri > A single wipe of a HDD is enough to destroy the data beyond hope of recovery. > > For an SSD or other flash-based storage the picture is different. For one > thing, because of the controller on those storage devices you cannot be sure > that overwriting a block of data on location X actually is written to location > X. > > > Roland > -- > R.F.Smith http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/ > [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] > pgp: 5753 3324 1661 B0FE 8D93 FCED 40F6 D5DC A38A 33E0 (keyID: A38A33E0) > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 18 19:07:47 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1191D13 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "ca.infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31C8F85F for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.2.117.100]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id t1IJ7ZjG046471 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:07:42 GMT (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.9.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk t1IJ7ZjG046471 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/t1IJ7ZjG046471; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none; dkim-atps=neutral Message-ID: <54E4E2F0.8040208@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:07:28 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <20150218173047.GA53030@slackbox.erewhon.home> In-Reply-To: <20150218173047.GA53030@slackbox.erewhon.home> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="iD5MjAArp1M6lbaIqR03csVQ1ee0lhhTh" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.6 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:07:47 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --iD5MjAArp1M6lbaIqR03csVQ1ee0lhhTh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 18/02/2015 17:30, Roland Smith wrote: > HF can definitely free you of all worries about harddrives. To be sure. It's skin permeable and has a high affinity for calcium, which -- amongst other effects -- tends to perturb your heart rhythm. Enough HF, and you'll never worry about harddrives again. If that doesn't kill you, then it will leach calcium out of your bones, which causes the affected areas to swell up and turn comically rubbery and results in weeks of agonizing pain. HF is also not that strong as an acid -- less so than common or garden HCl. For this purpose however (dissolving lumps of technology), I'd go with something that was also a strong oxidant viz. conc Nitric Acid. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 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How can I get rid of it? From: Kurt Buff To: Matthew Seaman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:21:26 -0000 On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 18/02/2015 17:30, Roland Smith wrote: >> HF can definitely free you of all worries about harddrives. > > To be sure. It's skin permeable and has a high affinity for calcium, > which -- amongst other effects -- tends to perturb your heart rhythm. > Enough HF, and you'll never worry about harddrives again. > > If that doesn't kill you, then it will leach calcium out of your bones, > which causes the affected areas to swell up and turn comically rubbery > and results in weeks of agonizing pain. > > HF is also not that strong as an acid -- less so than common or garden > HCl. For this purpose however (dissolving lumps of technology), I'd go > with something that was also a strong oxidant viz. conc Nitric Acid. > > Cheers, > > Matthew Or aqua regia, perhaps. Unless you go the combustible route, with thermite. Kurt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 18 19:40:02 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91B50B97 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:40:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm31-vm1.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm31-vm1.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.88]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D771EC72 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:40:00 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1424288224; bh=iiG+uYVf3mBUo+c5Fkubc0OP+x8oRD24/8QgKV6bSyY=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=m+R0F0I0epnuOe2M+qoMDj/bx8G9gvhO600q8mmubsWKOq7XppqoJVLUofX1duA5Vz2UOG4K4V1irX2+X3uV3WNbrT1asjkclSpwBfKuMtjRWHvxdUhO0ckbmpTT+0/vwl/r00wpUAGvFtEQNUJmMV6pryAvMBF+/cil9RM73B1KIE6b12G8RLcV7dpVnb8T9FzXW9b0k+CF7krYzrmfHQv3+Frt8mJrxfnclN6u1fAlXijOG5rxuAktC1H5fI0QCFDiLKjwoy6z4ITrhzO+IpnsiEP2MONU/Kge4pLSofdWxrv+DTx8ASAvpcSNzkdu5eg10KwzEx+hSLRNr+k3uQ== Received: from [212.82.98.48] by nm31.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2015 19:37:04 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.74] by tm1.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2015 19:37:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2015 19:37:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 93602.44958.bm@smtp111.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 59jZL7QVM1lZEk6c_TUxpfC9YXpjcANrOFXz24eGoHVBNiQ MJ1gHOQh9IdipDhWiE3Cq4Ab5AZVt8rlGXvtisBx95l4cljm9RO6Ld4Axv.I 4Kmyfc.ggpwAgi0n7JByu.h89HNpw28M.ImR4xsAXyDSxLIwvuWvqgqEznFD _0NswDrmyngKZS8vZBERlM7Di6qWtMVvH89m3Dod7m2kXY87AslTedRLs_r. kL2JDwo6n6VYc58TOhV1YoJbK.ypSrdKeTQ.jitVAEqHTRwGqIqCeMGKd5o2 rdTsFtxyztUlG1nkp4vK1hHxYzLXTQt9ATPXxS4DMBPmcSyShlRGpPxdu9tH xCSNnaDiAhJeXApcwGmof.RKm7dVXTekr9VTofeuldK8MCOFzO.ga4Q3tVJN EcQppfSTicjJwyVs3QtLEwyx2kF3qiW831.IjnRFR8RziQjTyLxDo4tcZ_cL cH1CZfu8gxuM7do3ubMYng9Lm7uJlxS0_0RWDoxj.QzghMZ_LaLqJ5vY6DNb cg9Z1fxngG.WiYSMOF40nXMwl X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:37:03 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? Message-ID: <20150218203703.5d260b53@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20150218183815.GB26575@neutralgood.org> References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <54E3BEBA.1060801@gmail.com> <20150218183222.2d09d17f.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150218185708.47f7f805@archlinux> <20150218183815.GB26575@neutralgood.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1-66-gd6ba813 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:40:02 -0000 On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 13:38:15 -0500, kpneal@pobox.com wrote: >> This one isn't a joke :(, I made music with a gifted musician >> suffering from psychosis. He was convinced that his dental fillings >> include something, so that the government was able to control his >> mind. There are many jokes about dental filling psychosis, since >> it's a wide spread psychosis. This friend already suffered from this >> psychosis before RFIDs were invented. > >Well, whatever you do do _not_ tell him about malware that can be >controlled via a mic+speaker. Am I the only one who read about malware >in one laptop sending control messages out the speaker to another >laptop that had a mic on it? The control messages were inaudible to >the human ear. We aren't in contact anymore :(. However, people suffering from psychosis aren't necessarily prone to everything. He likely is able to deal with this information in a sane way. RFIDs can't directly control our minds, but it's too funny, a RFID could be everywhere in our closes, soles etc. and we wouldn't notice it. I'm one of those who don't need a mobile. I simply mean it word by word, "I don't need it" and that's the reason that I don't carry a mobile wherever I am. However, I'm aware that in my pocket are several cards with RFID, so theoretically it's possible to follow ever step I make in the same way, as it is possible to spy people who carry a handy 24/7. Indirectly this information could be used to have impact to everybody, you and me. The kind of impact differs. Some of us are hard or even impossible to manipulate, others are easy to manipulate, but there always is impact, even to those who can't be manipulated to change their minds. The most dangerous isn't collecting data, aren't RFIDs etc., the most dangerous is that in school they still teach by the left brain/verbal approach, while we are living in a medial/right brain/visually world. Less people are educated to handle multimedia in a reflective way. Western education just teaches how to use multimedia software, not to think about the consequences. I don't fear Trojans and similar, I fear unenlightened societies. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 18 19:44:05 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63C19E7A for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-x22e.google.com (mail-wg0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E4123D44 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:44:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f46.google.com with SMTP id a1so3217212wgh.5 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:44:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WHegPFfueYvQked6qFZq5x04ug2U8xJWV36hdioLUPM=; b=JYnDZL6w+qfyyyGXfZDErsg67QyeKnEltyZqiRJlPcB+BBfwvt3ll2zKpejr1o6zCM bLO1ko91OJxoJYCtiVQnoWm802T62AJV3jcswT6YMw6TKiCYHA63102dOE3Ho4RopXWk DW5HxfkxanFtABqoSmxBmaja3j1TUDjxPjrz1VJJ75Gj2oDxGuAg5cAQFRZzScMYOri9 d9uNA8wvX9fG8n3jmSm9mOoO30OiBvGn/pk9uuDa/zVAIiIrSe0vqaOMtZ56a6765lwC NvGPTpUXbFTRD3YEq6HiHMwL4awq7c3aSNdVo/WjnXUtXrQzkHVxQbYNk2zUQknHsV/G yXFg== X-Received: by 10.194.200.1 with SMTP id jo1mr1947377wjc.64.1424288643426; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:44:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (4e5670d9.skybroadband.com. 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Message-ID: <20150218194401.1eb9bcca@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20150218020243.366fe968@archlinux> References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <51803.128.135.70.2.1424219858.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20150218020243.366fe968@archlinux> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:44:05 -0000 On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 02:02:43 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > The NSA is able to recover all the data that was deleted all over the > world even by a shred command on a non-journaling FS? If so, the NSA > isn't willing to give hints against child molesters and other > criminals, because the NSA is the watchdog of more important crimes? > That's grotesque. Wild speculation to judgement in one short paragraph. 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How can I get rid of it? Message-ID: <20150218204610.0be6faa6@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20150218203703.5d260b53@archlinux> References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <54E3BEBA.1060801@gmail.com> <20150218183222.2d09d17f.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150218185708.47f7f805@archlinux> <20150218183815.GB26575@neutralgood.org> <20150218203703.5d260b53@archlinux> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1-66-gd6ba813 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:47:55 -0000 On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:37:03 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >handy ^^^^^ is the German word for mobile (phone) :S From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 18 20:03:31 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14A5A6A4 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:03:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm13-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm13-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.173]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B35A1F79 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:03:30 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1424289636; bh=MKt6iez5PWcj04Nh/BZpZeK/dP/qSDV/13SHnajxmAw=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=NIe4x9Mltu3l4qreyZf0sEMvQ1Z6+urDK8PgbbteRwMWCAEPnwzv/UYQUd80auAo7uCKt8n47yr1zpZlUZdU1Kj9tu0hK7HEiL+Ix20BRnUYdYuJQfdullWbrWRY4tpJA54lozV79iyz0pvd0EcGkxsxMD7uDntIudsTOBpAQvq8tXrTQlxWg1J1lMlHISD0GMHkMuBinMPv4S+BmLQpJeaRv8D9WtBIDFQV290tT5sUOS4nnJ5QgBYXA1Ul9BKf8TIC1OhyaOu8pzdDGRGM6/x17VmlXQ/GOa7elwdCKSMAmkvRy6mFbvSemGjLlWsigfslUMH9Qmyrks3fk0c4SA== Received: from [98.138.100.114] by nm13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2015 20:00:36 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.71] by tm105.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2015 20:00:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp108.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2015 20:00:35 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 810291.14415.bm@smtp108.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 6NBMqFcVM1m8faAO9XuKn8cilcVTwggCW7wJdYzcarVTdi5 fBanfy7xUxDZ7Hga18moI2SqxCi9kuROgPrfhmPpKtkVVlQeQU1KAsqHznTM Zpm7jD3RCLWaveSfQHnHVdvD_62jjEcMKiriaedzCOnIBAj6vK6iFWKR2KDC 2iyFgK9jGAb6EyUF8lrERU9z6E_rltXR7FqzBHau.gAYcYyhqc9zyltHIHXu b5EwDYVSMXGhIlTC3zfJuAR5FyywSsBpHmA7fI36TuQeY7g4MZYlP5JGpGar GFgGewPfJRZdxFMox.C6ERPu0tEJx0MlVtOYcMy80N8Rbtyxc_Dw3RLNwZWb 8fXN_WSiFoEBrJlEJ7rrWHRQXyXcS16lHSu5Ni8QSmMDC14BUAjb0CJTADH6 UvDz._q4EJ9zOGLL_DLXNfRK913HucvzZevN.nGPeFwr4qtM_7iZ3Za9LpIF WuZeUtZb.LzjoMfZPi335drYmWt2OyopCXZbrWX.l4f_kromB1R7_vj1HYOb l25ZGX.jIF7eLsbzcUB4.O569zd.5e2s- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:00:35 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? Message-ID: <20150218210035.20a73953@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20150218203703.5d260b53@archlinux> References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <54E3BEBA.1060801@gmail.com> <20150218183222.2d09d17f.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150218185708.47f7f805@archlinux> <20150218183815.GB26575@neutralgood.org> <20150218203703.5d260b53@archlinux> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1-66-gd6ba813 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:03:31 -0000 On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:37:03 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >The most dangerous isn't collecting data, aren't RFIDs etc., the most >dangerous is that in school they still teach by the left brain/verbal >approach, while we are living in a medial/right brain/visually world. ^ without "l". ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Less people are educated to handle multimedia in a reflective way. >Western education just teaches how to use multimedia software, not to >think about the consequences. > >I don't fear Trojans and similar, I fear unenlightened societies. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 18 20:25:24 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E5A5AEC for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:25:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from formentor.toolfactory.net (pina.toolfactory.net [213.97.158.39]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEBE8218 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:25:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by formentor.toolfactory.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A239D177883 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:25:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from formentor.toolfactory.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (formentor.toolfactory.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id 6CSRCdC9-z1B for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:25:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by formentor.toolfactory.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5959177905 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:25:19 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at logpmzimmta01v.toolfactory.net Received: from formentor.toolfactory.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (formentor.toolfactory.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id KeRn-tsQLeBJ for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:25:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from xorrigo.toolfactory.net (unknown [192.168.2.210]) by formentor.toolfactory.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC18F177883 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:25:19 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:25:18 +0100 (CET) From: Raimund Sacherer Reply-To: Raimund Sacherer To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <28505455.89479949.1424291118283.JavaMail.zimbra@logitravel.com> In-Reply-To: <20150218190200.GD26575@neutralgood.org> References: <1630133808.88787292.1424250372563.JavaMail.zimbra@logitravel.com> <535737942.88794111.1424250825035.JavaMail.zimbra@logitravel.com> <20150218190200.GD26575@neutralgood.org> Subject: Re: setuid diffs in daily security run output MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [192.168.2.213] X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.0.8_GA_6184 (ZimbraWebClient - SAF7 (Mac)/8.0.8_GA_6184) Thread-Topic: setuid diffs in daily security run output Thread-Index: XT1d3Acr2XZLZWUOvzAWDTpbTJhaow== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:25:24 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- > From: kpneal@pobox.com > To: "Raimund Sacherer" > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 8:02:00 PM > Subject: Re: setuid diffs in daily security run output > On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:13:45AM +0100, Raimund Sacherer wrote: > > Hello, > > > > This is one of our first FreeBSD servers we use, and I be rather safe than > > sorry, we put in production a FreeBSD 10.0 system and it is running (in > > production) a couple of weeks now. Reading the security run emails today i > > noticed a lot of those: > > > > --- snip --- > > - 587 -r-sr-xr-x 1 root wheel 19912 Jan 16 22:40:07 2014 /bin/rcp > > - 511 -r-sr-x--- 1 root operator 9880 Jan 16 22:40:33 2014 /sbin/mksnap_ffs > > - 471 -r-sr-xr-x 1 root wheel 28024 Jan 16 22:40:34 2014 /sbin/ping > > - 546 -r-sr-xr-x 1 root wheel 36496 Jan 16 22:40:34 2014 /sbin/ping6 > > - 528 -r-sr-x--- 2 root operator 15656 Jan 16 22:40:34 2014 /sbin/poweroff > > - 528 -r-sr-x--- 2 root operator 15656 Jan 16 22:40:34 2014 /sbin/shutdown > > - 672 -r-sr-xr-x 4 root wheel 28528 Jan 16 22:41:00 2014 /usr/bin/at > > - 672 -r-sr-xr-x 4 root wheel 28528 Jan 16 22:41:00 2014 /usr/bin/atq > > --- snip --- > > > > I did not see those messages before, but I do read normally those mails. > > How come those messages are today in the security output? Are those > > permissions correct? Should I be worried about an intruder? > Is it possible someone modified or deleted the files that the security > script uses to keep track of what files are setuid? If one of your other > support people didn't know what something was they may have deleted it or > otherwise messed with it. Hello, I will check this out, thank you. Is there any way to make sure that these permissions are correct? Is there some place where the standard permissions for all those tools are documented? best Ray From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 00:49:43 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C68336A3 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 00:49:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-f53.google.com (mail-pa0-f53.google.com [209.85.220.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C607CE2 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 00:49:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by padet14 with SMTP id et14so5248728pad.11 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:49:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id :date:subject:to; bh=h+jhqvw7L0XLUGefCqS4H7Ot0dsF4MJ0o1le3rwc5rs=; b=Gk0Sb+Vr/g/tgqaF+zSf24zPC7sOcx+MUIwLaXKn+BDdUVOZRf5V9S/L4bzI/onmih zu/50CgylMA6b2LnbMBx8EercR2Kqx18ZTpcYOcAl6K1bktL5JH7HOZh6/G6WkCb/v7i isJYGerLCpJmWBcjfhUrKj0Qvt3gkt2cpcDCIY/do+ZPC6jCHggbPYrhn2DNmRTnsjzR bQzcHkobZzaj/xQ80pDmKHzK1naCTy2w2qq8V7LXXfJAyfxhCj3Gqj74hhU2f5OjgDru Ltg4Oz4y0Hxj1LHdCbbqu0dUIMp2a8ChW8PSJ/qtkLTf8jzTZXtbx67a8l/fLJNRFL9U rWbQ== X-Received: by 10.66.139.226 with SMTP id rb2mr3029505pab.105.1424306982943; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:49:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([114.125.63.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id cj15sm14561293pdb.30.2015.02.18.16.49.40 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:49:42 -0800 (PST) From: 2AE3F4C4 X-Google-Original-From: 2AE3F4C4 X-Mailer: BlackBerry Email (10.2.1.3442) Message-ID: <20150219004940.5976213.7849.592@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 07:49:40 +0700 Subject: Re: My information on your mailing list To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 00:49:43 -0000 Dikirim dari ponsel cerdas BlackBerry 10 saya dengan jaringan Telkomsel. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 07:33:28 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4044B80C for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 07:33:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from deneb.dwf.com (70-90-202-97-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.90.202.97]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 03E31A92 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 07:33:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from deneb.dwf.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by deneb.dwf.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id t1J7X8sq021980 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 00:33:09 -0700 Message-Id: <201502190733.t1J7X8sq021980@deneb.dwf.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.3 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: How to turn off X11 when booting PCBSD? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 00:33:08 -0700 From: reg@dwf.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 07:33:28 -0000 I have finally (thanks all that responded to my previous question) been able to compile the current nvidia-driver-304 for my PCBSD machine with a Nvidia 6200 video card, but now need to be able to turn OFF X11 on boot to install this driver in place of the existing one. Ive tried a couple of the things I found with google on the web, but none worked. So, how do I bring up PCBSD without the X11? -- Reg.Clemens reg@dwf.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 07:58:01 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5BEDD14 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 07:58:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BD13CF3 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 07:58:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-149-162.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.149.162]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6D413CD97; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:57:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t1J7vuiU001932; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:57:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:57:56 +0100 From: Polytropon To: reg@dwf.com Subject: Re: How to turn off X11 when booting PCBSD? Message-Id: <20150219085756.54319227.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <201502190733.t1J7X8sq021980@deneb.dwf.com> References: <201502190733.t1J7X8sq021980@deneb.dwf.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 07:58:01 -0000 On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 00:33:08 -0700, reg@dwf.com wrote: > I have finally (thanks all that responded to my previous question) > been able to compile the current nvidia-driver-304 for my PCBSD > machine with a Nvidia 6200 video card, but now need to be able > to turn OFF X11 on boot to install this driver in place of the > existing one. > > Ive tried a couple of the things I found with google on the web, > but none worked. > > So, how do I bring up PCBSD without the X11? For the task of installing the driver, going into SUM should be sufficient. Note that I haven't tested it. Get to the "boot" prompt and enter "boot -s". The system will then prompt for the shell. Confirm /bin/sh and then run "fsck" to check the partitions, then "mount -a" to mount them. Now "cd /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver" and "make install". Edit /boot/if required: drm_load="YES" nvidia_load="YES" should be added, if I remember correctly. Finally reboot. Note that you can run "csh" as a shell, too, but as you're not going to spend hours of work in (the limited) single user mode, doing those few things should be easy with all the defaults. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 08:09:51 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 71A642B5 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:09:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-x22c.google.com (mail-yk0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D591DEB for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:09:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 131so3402638ykp.3 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 00:09:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=9qKJCIwGPRd/boBM92Zj87gadoHUfS+IzyRJirfvoqI=; b=FCKjKoQ+j0dvFRrQQy8s9UI96g0gNBeKqHxiwWLImkc2CfMkWzV4BOKHq4uWBquE9e yVTHdahHsYSePcmVSFHGvTzzR+wV6Gr9fsYy7HUbWtQvQF3aJzVtC0F8nC4n7wRZuzM8 2Pc7lRGT1JQJ78AmFDSVgJC3vKgr2kUHWsH6IW5MhETLBdpJj6jOkdxuzFs3jVaNf/fc ooqjRickHFGfyFjEx0aKvzr1uRmqI+rGgKzTQ0BBTD4AelcJtue7e/wxeivaTUGLHxvr gf9i30SQsXv2ioHWg4JHtpbnh7iZ6X4JGliMQpt2YFSHj+1XykigHzn7WlPEZj5RbiBb 2Z2Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.170.42.209 with SMTP id 200mr2090332ykk.23.1424332939714; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 00:02:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.170.64.17 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 00:02:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20150219085756.54319227.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <201502190733.t1J7X8sq021980@deneb.dwf.com> <20150219085756.54319227.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 03:32:19 -0430 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How to turn off X11 when booting PCBSD? From: Alberto Mijares To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: reg@dwf.com, "questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:09:51 -0000 > > For the task of installing the driver, going into SUM should > be sufficient. Note that I haven't tested it. > Before you ask, SUM stands for Single User Mode. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 08:11:08 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D04D357 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from formentor.toolfactory.net (pina.toolfactory.net [213.97.158.39]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC6EE06 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:11:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by formentor.toolfactory.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4279E177B31 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:11:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from formentor.toolfactory.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (formentor.toolfactory.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id zDEcbQjwMyqo for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:11:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by formentor.toolfactory.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36706177B38 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:11:05 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at logpmzimmta01v.toolfactory.net Received: from formentor.toolfactory.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (formentor.toolfactory.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id i5MThDkhh0Y0 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:11:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from xorrigo.toolfactory.net (unknown [192.168.2.210]) by formentor.toolfactory.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15493177B31 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:11:05 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:11:22 +0100 (CET) From: Raimund Sacherer Reply-To: Raimund Sacherer To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <920286937.89617878.1424333482970.JavaMail.zimbra@logitravel.com> In-Reply-To: <20150218215912.GB267@neutralgood.org> References: <1630133808.88787292.1424250372563.JavaMail.zimbra@logitravel.com> <535737942.88794111.1424250825035.JavaMail.zimbra@logitravel.com> <20150218190200.GD26575@neutralgood.org> <28505455.89479949.1424291118283.JavaMail.zimbra@logitravel.com> <20150218215912.GB267@neutralgood.org> Subject: Re: setuid diffs in daily security run output MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [192.168.2.213] X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.0.8_GA_6184 (ZimbraWebClient - SAF7 (Mac)/8.0.8_GA_6184) Thread-Topic: setuid diffs in daily security run output Thread-Index: tvN2AOOJJS3OkZq5PsYIKeqZni/ABQ== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:11:08 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- > From: kpneal@pobox.com > To: "Raimund Sacherer" > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:59:12 PM > Subject: Re: setuid diffs in daily security run output > On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 09:25:18PM +0100, Raimund Sacherer wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: kpneal@pobox.com > > > To: "Raimund Sacherer" > > > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 8:02:00 PM > > > Subject: Re: setuid diffs in daily security run output > > > > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:13:45AM +0100, Raimund Sacherer wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > This is one of our first FreeBSD servers we use, and I be rather safe > > > > than > > > > sorry, we put in production a FreeBSD 10.0 system and it is running (in > > > > production) a couple of weeks now. Reading the security run emails > > > > today i > > > > noticed a lot of those: > > > > > > > > --- snip --- > > > > - 587 -r-sr-xr-x 1 root wheel 19912 Jan 16 22:40:07 2014 /bin/rcp > > > > --- snip --- > > > > > > > > I did not see those messages before, but I do read normally those > > > > mails. > > > > > > How come those messages are today in the security output? Are those > > > > permissions correct? Should I be worried about an intruder? > > > > > Is it possible someone modified or deleted the files that the security > > > script uses to keep track of what files are setuid? If one of your other > > > support people didn't know what something was they may have deleted it or > > > otherwise messed with it. > > I will check this out, thank you. Is there any way to make sure that these > > permissions are correct? Is there some place where the standard > > permissions for all those tools are documented? > The 'mtree' utility is used to check, set, and compare permissions and > ownerships of files. It can also be used to get hashes of files so you can > see what files have actually changed. It creates and consumes basically a > manifest of at least one file. > On my system the base system manifest files are in /etc/mtree, but you can > use the 'locate' command to find them if they've moved. You will also find > them if you have /usr/src installed. > The only thing mtree lacks is support for extended attributes. Thank you very much! Best From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 08:23:36 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 391F0725 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:23:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bede.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF271FB4 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:23:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.home.qeng-ho.org (8.14.9/8.14.7) with ESMTP id t1J8NQi5070710; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:23:27 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Message-ID: <54E59D7E.7030901@qeng-ho.org> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:23:26 +0000 From: Arthur Chance User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Powell , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <20150218173047.GA53030@slackbox.erewhon.home> In-Reply-To: <20150218173047.GA53030@slackbox.erewhon.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:23:36 -0000 On 18/02/2015 17:30, Roland Smith wrote: > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 04:04:36PM -0500, Michael Powell wrote: >> jd1008 wrote: >> >> [snip] >> >> Remove the cover. Remove the platters. Smash all platters with large sledge >> hammer until all pieces are fairly small. Melt material with oxyacetylene >> welders torch. Repeat smashing with hammer. Soak for few hours in > >> hydrofluoric acid. > > Probably a case of the cure being worse than the disease! > OTOH, HF can definitely free you of all worries about harddrives. > > Of course if you *really* want to dial it up to 11 you go directly for ClF3. > Pouring that in the enclosure would probably make further steps unneccesary. Alternatively, further steps, at high speed and in the direction of away become *very* necessary. I presume you're familiar with this quote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_trifluoride#Rocket_propellant :-) -- Those who do not learn from computing history are doomed to GOTO 1 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 11:20:31 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59E39469 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:20:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from trent.utfs.org (trent.utfs.org [94.185.90.103]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 12D855F1 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:20:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by trent.utfs.org (Postfix, from userid 8) id 2247C3DB0A; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:20:22 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on trent.utfs.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=2.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from trent.utfs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by trent.utfs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB6003DB05; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:20:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by trent.utfs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E163DACF; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:20:19 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 03:20:19 -0800 (PST) From: Christian Kujau To: Fabian Keil Subject: Re: FreeBSD 10.1 crashing under load In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <4e9beab4.5e4e3963@fabiankeil.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.19.4 (DEB 40 2013-11-18) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP (127.0.0.1 at Thu Feb 19 12:20:19 2015 +0100 (CET)) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:20:31 -0000 On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 at 10:07, Christian Kujau wrote: > On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 at 11:51, Fabian Keil wrote: > > Using a kernel with WITNESS and INVARIANTS sometimes results in > > the problem being caught earlier. > > Hm, I had hoped not to have to recompile the kernel for this, but maybe > that's the way to go. I'll look into that, thanks. Well, I've compiled the kernel with a few debug knobs - now the system is much slower (and system load is much higher) but it hasn't rebooted in 2 days now. Did somebody say "Heisenbug"? :-) Christian. -- BOFH excuse #156: Zombie processes haunting the computer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 11:25:15 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 774095B4 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:25:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yh0-f46.google.com (mail-yh0-f46.google.com [209.85.213.46]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A8146AE for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:25:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yhaf73 with SMTP id f73so4347146yha.3 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 03:25:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:disposition-notification-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=07Ninggf9RPxJXgVOhLooVH18Bo1SV4bVo9SJZYRFQc=; b=gVoe6GNmLhru/EfT8HznkaT2NuOwzQUbcCOSTuuYOLqgwBd9QGrmvTc4srHhDI+PYL O/ef1MP946213HzXPV+qMkKYjxhy+KT9tRg6vG72buhNzXzU1sgnA63hgN+kuq+cGZ4z 7XPE0GJQ/j2eJSY5wExc+qaHdZQ/sNpsGOJDM= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:reply-to:organization:disposition-notification-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=07Ninggf9RPxJXgVOhLooVH18Bo1SV4bVo9SJZYRFQc=; b=LMHotARMBsK99ER24qvJCBADvjszxgyNQUzRN3HT/1hqSkTrYBjzcCwenKeR/q9spj Xds92Q4oTMhmJbcgwULFO0N203IKlricEQue2YNfBhRXWAp2n6IwG7BkruXYJ8eCol27 LTx2Sp0OlBBcfo+TwdxV/swLHeK/ZtmnzzaqksqXYoR0+RrFJV64R2en09Wnza25mXKX FPqF4RezFu6RESJ7rb9+XiZExEjGj3fQoTwb7mK30NPIREX5TMhgrZu0P7ZcjQlftKmK krsJCsdGA2hOtTFju7pHAuGOqYqW3tPiaul4oeE+RX2wkLmstNmRgyrSZSTHlwrIJ82N 59sw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlNyKJnrMT5mB8xNdYrx9jQBog/d6lWH5b7x4Uab7kfCG+/owEgh3J0h3bHgnsl4lAIIYLh X-Received: by 10.236.227.198 with SMTP id d66mr2149333yhq.147.1424345113682; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 03:25:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d78sm13140121yhb.35.2015.02.19.03.25.12 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 19 Feb 2015 03:25:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:25:12 -0500 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? Message-ID: <20150219062512.0de2ee5a@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20150218190012.d865cbdf.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <51803.128.135.70.2.1424219858.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20150218020243.366fe968@archlinux> <20150218190012.d865cbdf.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:25:15 -0000 On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:00:12 +0100, Polytropon stated: > Also keep in mind: there's a difference between "to protect" and "to > investigate" - and put that into context with defining priorities... The is also a difference between "to lie" and "to cover-up", but what has that got to do with the price of tea in China. It has never failed to amaze me though that those who cry the loudest about the invasion of privacy are the same individuals who have accumulated the most nefarious secrets to begin with. Poll after poll have shown that the vox populi would rather err on the side of safety and security. -- Jerry From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 11:29:53 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 772CB680 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:29:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-x236.google.com (mail-yk0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 337FE6E6 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:29:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f182.google.com with SMTP id 142so3743648ykq.13 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 03:29:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=gIIHEph+N7jxSHgBMW0qKucUPhXUZUr4CaNBtLPRPf8=; b=xfeomnr0T1IY/nO+31YaL3dF3tF2TaXwELonL29avIpIiM96H4w1R52M0bz77LMUaI cJWi8HLvd/oZYoMlcfnBIOL2NtSF4ku7vz6iE8XyzDpPf1AgXbc/4cd+wxMGa6vjMn4p NNRf49As9mxT5J7MOdo/UQvRKKMJQTLOhSycrD/RaxHW1F+RW+JGitAOKfaK7AZ6KP23 zy3NE368gu0GXdrP26D4HVeFZBKObkoClrHO12jQWQAOaRDaZM13DKiix4EpTGurf1WF pASH+BiWGFt/qZMAsbbzigi9Gp/Kxo4ypFsel7g46/dinXX/TSB26smSQEQ4Opc/OGcA 9+lw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.231.11 with SMTP id k11mr2431224yhq.86.1424345045818; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 03:24:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.170.188.1 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 03:24:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:24:05 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: solaris to freebsd ZFS version From: krad To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:29:53 -0000 Hi, I'm currently porting a large zfs data set from a solaris host to a freebsd one. I knew this was always a possibility so it made sure the pool versions were 28. I however forgot about the dataset version. Downgrading from v6 to v5 was fairly easy in the end it just took a long time. However im not able to do this for the root dataset, as i cant rename it. It has no data on it so its more of a loose end and anoyance than anything else, and I dont think its going to be a massive issue for me but it would be good to fix if i can. Has anyone had any luck doing this other than rebuilding the pool which I dont want to have to do as this would be difficult due to the size. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 11:53:28 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 930DBE84 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:53:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2568B9E8 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:53:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-149-162.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.149.162]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B74D27858 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:53:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t1JBrHVD002117 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:53:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:53:17 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? Message-Id: <20150219125317.a919b9d8.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150219062512.0de2ee5a@scorpio> References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <51803.128.135.70.2.1424219858.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20150218020243.366fe968@archlinux> <20150218190012.d865cbdf.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150219062512.0de2ee5a@scorpio> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:53:28 -0000 On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:25:12 -0500, Jerry wrote: > On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:00:12 +0100, Polytropon stated: > > > Also keep in mind: there's a difference between "to protect" and "to > > investigate" - and put that into context with defining priorities... > > The is also a difference between "to lie" and "to cover-up", but what has > that got to do with the price of tea in China. The first one is a means, the second one is a goal. There's also a difference between "ask for assistance" and "blackmail", as well as between "just a bunch of innocent photos of kids playing at the beach" and "child pornography", or "a normal financial transaction" and "impressive fraud". Which it is _said_ to be depends on many aspects: who is investigated, by whom, how is money involved, what "connections" are present and so on. And in many cases, criminals seem to be much better in achieving the "right evaluation" of their actions than the investigators... Just saying. > It has never failed to amaze me though that those who cry the loudest about > the invasion of privacy are the same individuals who have accumulated the most > nefarious secrets to begin with. I wouldn't say so. Those with the really nefarious secrets have excellent means to protect them, and they keep silent and covered. Do you know what criminals hate most? Publicity. They can't stand the attention of others when they get into the focus of investigators or the society. That's why the public knows (almost) nothing about what they're doing. Privacy will soon be a "luxury good of the wealthy ones". Maybe this is just a beginning: http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/02/att-charges-29-more-for-gigabit-fiber-that-doesnt-watch-your-web-browsing/ This doesn't affect me much because I live in a country where mass surveillance (by several "interested parties") is the sad reality. As I usually tend to say: Everything that is technically possible WILL BE DONE, no matter if we can immediately recognize it. Sometimes decades later the truth comes out. In most cases. > Poll after poll have shown that the vox > populi would rather err on the side of safety and security. Considerations of safety and security, put into relation with privacy and freedom, don't matter for most "normal" people as they value their commodity and time higher than any of those abstract goods. They simply don't care. That's why I wouldn't put much value on that kind of polls. Given the right carefully selected "representative" sample and nice statistical calculations, you can prove everything. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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From: krad To: John Goerzen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:06:43 -0000 It is a bit confusing, I have to ask why call it zroot/usr at all? I use /os/ for stuff like ports etc and then set the mountpoint. If we must use usr in the name why not set the mountpoint to legacy as well, as its more clearly not used? On 15 February 2015 at 13:52, John Goerzen wrote: > Ben Woods gmail.com> writes: > > > > > To quote Allan Jude when I posed this question to him: > > > > "The /usr dataset has 'canmount' set to off. It only exists so that other > > datasets can be created under it. > > That makes sense. But it is misleading to have the mountpoint set to /usr > and /var, isn't it? In a zfs list, it looks as if it's being used for /usr > and /var, when really as you say it's a container. > > I wonder - would there be a place I could submit a bug report to suggest > that the mountpoint property be inherited at the default rather than set > for > these two filesystems? > > > To use boot environments, you need to install the tool from the ports > tree: > > sysutils/beadm-devel > > Interesting. That looks quite nice. I need to read up a bit more on it, > clearly, since it seems to be more than just a zfs clone and zpool set > bootfs that I was expecting. > > Thanks, > > John > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 12:15:31 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B0475F3 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:15:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 142D2C61 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:15:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-149-162.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.149.162]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CC1663CE53; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:15:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t1JCFRVu002221; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:15:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:15:27 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Ralf Mardorf Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? Message-Id: <20150219131527.ddda246b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150218203703.5d260b53@archlinux> References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <54E3BEBA.1060801@gmail.com> <20150218183222.2d09d17f.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150218185708.47f7f805@archlinux> <20150218183815.GB26575@neutralgood.org> <20150218203703.5d260b53@archlinux> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:15:31 -0000 On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:37:03 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > RFIDs can't directly control our minds, but it's too funny, a RFID > could be everywhere in our closes, soles etc. and we wouldn't notice > it. Unless we use proper testing equipment and a microwave oven. :-) > I'm one of those who don't need a mobile. I simply mean it word > by word, "I don't need it" and that's the reason that I don't carry a > mobile wherever I am. However, I'm aware that in my pocket are several > cards with RFID, so theoretically it's possible to follow ever step I > make in the same way, as it is possible to spy people who carry a > handy 24/7. Because it is possible, it HAS BEEN DONE. Allow me to provide you with one example (not new): http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/21/schoolgirl_expelled_rfid_chip/ http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/11/student-suspension/ But it's not that RFID is "evil" per se, or useless. As someone said, it's a tool, and a tool does what its master (in whose hands it becomes "alive") decides: http://www.extremetech.com/electronics/141277-stop-worrying-and-embrace-rfid Like this: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/12/citywide-rfid-master-house-key-already-broken/ It's not even funny anymore. > Indirectly this information could be used to have > impact to everybody, you and me. Consider side effects, not just with RFID, but with almost every other technology. You don't carry a smartphone. But the guy next to you does, and it's a bug which is now in his pocket while you sit at the conference table and discuss a confidential deal. Maybe you have an old phone with no camera. But the woman across the street has, and while she takes a photo of a nearby fountain, your face + her location are being uploaded to the cloud for further processing. You cannot be "safe" (whatever you want to understand by that word). By NO means. No matter what you do, it's impossible > The most dangerous isn't collecting data, aren't RFIDs etc., the most > dangerous is that in school they still teach by the left brain/verbal > approach, while we are living in a medial/right brain/visually world. Except maybe the visually challenged people (vision impaired or blind)... > Less people are educated to handle multimedia in a reflective way. People are educated to _not_ reflect about anything. > Western education just teaches how to use multimedia software, not to > think about the consequences. Use in order to consume, in the first place. Every creational act is left to "artists", but luckily, modern computers and the Internet enable more people to be creative and share their works, so there is hope for a better understanding (as long, of course, as those creations don't drown in the sea of irrelevance). > I don't fear Trojans and similar, I fear unenlightened societies. Try to ignore and forget them, or they'll scare you to death. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 12:22:23 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94D03A7C for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:22:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52E21D65 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:22:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-149-162.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.149.162]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BF263CE4E; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:22:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t1JCMLaV002239; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:22:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:22:21 +0100 From: Polytropon To: kpneal@pobox.com Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? Message-Id: <20150219132221.b5d14e68.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150218184227.GC26575@neutralgood.org> References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <20150218173047.GA53030@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20150218184227.GC26575@neutralgood.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:22:23 -0000 On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 13:42:27 -0500, kpneal@pobox.com wrote: > Also be aware that some juries have been known to accept the argument that > incriminating evidence _must_ have been on the disk since you went to such > trouble to destroy it. And so they vote 'guilty' despite there not being > any direct evidence of any crime. Excuse me, but what poop-minded movie is _that_ from?! In my (layman's) education about law I learned that "could", "would", "should", and a bright imagination don't lead you anywhere in a constituational state that is prout on providing a legal system under the requirements of the rule of law. It's the job of the investigators to _prove_ you're guilty, not your job to prove you're not. Of course, that job isn't always easy, I can understand this, and far too often, the criminals get away because they know "some clever tricks". But it's fully unacceptable that the whole thing turns around in such a way that there is a _chance_ that innocent people get convicted because of the _absence_ of evidence. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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[76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id y9sm18816403yhc.49.2015.02.19.05.18.40 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 19 Feb 2015 05:18:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:18:39 -0500 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? Message-ID: <20150219081839.1a4c0359@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20150219132221.b5d14e68.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <20150218173047.GA53030@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20150218184227.GC26575@neutralgood.org> <20150219132221.b5d14e68.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Polytropon X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:18:42 -0000 On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:22:21 +0100, Polytropon stated: > Excuse me, but what poop-minded movie is _that_ from?! > > In my (layman's) education about law I learned that "could", > "would", "should", and a bright imagination don't lead you > anywhere in a constituational state that is prout on providing > a legal system under the requirements of the rule of law. > It's the job of the investigators to _prove_ you're guilty, > not your job to prove you're not. Of course, that job isn't > always easy, I can understand this, and far too often, the > criminals get away because they know "some clever tricks". > But it's fully unacceptable that the whole thing turns around > in such a way that there is a _chance_ that innocent people > get convicted because of the _absence_ of evidence. Actually, you are not factually correct. There have been convictions based on the fact that the defendant invoked his 5th. Amendment rights to an excessive degree. The jury based the conviction on the simple fact that if the actions of the defendant were not nefarious, he/she would not have used the 5th. Amendment to such excursiveness. This has happened several times in the US. Actually, it makes sense. If you were not hiding something then why not disclose the facts. In any case, you do not need evidence to convict anyone. You have a legal system that can spend literally millions of dollars for a conviction and a public defender that will receive $250. per day per defendant. Usually their requests for extra funds for investigative resources is denied. The fact that anyone is ever found not guilty is actually quite unusual. If you don't think so, you watch way to much TV. Spend a few months at your local court house and see what really happens. -- Jerry From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 14:01:07 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3387EF81 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:01:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yh0-x234.google.com (mail-yh0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c01::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E293D96D for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:01:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yhoc41 with SMTP id c41so158281yho.2 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:01:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=fVZqtpdZhDWhIL/1xOLo6JjVlFW8N7SOQMWSBahLtPg=; b=vtEIvORRcA2/Pdre2SdUTMjvpvuK090cAt8LbHkUazA8h8m8qowu4Y2ySSiYDmI8O3 sq0dMCB920o87OgFrxYo2m3Og/9QYIFYtnjT/M8BH5VUHdO4OW1UF/DjpUEvR/ZNfQ2K 95koCaoZ3vYj8kcwCaf9ti4GWrqDw82mUF+LutLhoEYrMSodszbkInc9DV+oMeO0yIKZ IAp9MFIGKY4P4RJ4ZV4B+RsrZnXEmLYCENE6av2ji8KG3hfBaUp4rOhra3tDRY0grfVb Eq4AOc7R/cgrqZAw9R0fqLe9DQuiAJzWnh1vqvEvRoOTnZ+l+NEi4D42nqI7rNaVRv02 aaZg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.170.144.8 with SMTP id l8mr3344551ykc.48.1424354466278; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:01:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.170.132.198 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:01:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <047d7bb04f6ed3c739050e19575b@google.com> References: <047d7bb04f6ed3c739050e19575b@google.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:01:06 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Broken Link From: Malisa Rouse To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:01:07 -0000 Hi, I hope this email finds you well. Sorry for disturbing you, I was just wondering if you got my first email? Sincerely, Malisa On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Malisa Rouse wrote: > Dear to whom it may concern, > > My name is Malisa and I wanted to contact about a broken link in your > webpage http://www.pl.freebsd.org/gallery/npgallery.html . This is the > link that is not working http://www.usemb.kiev.ua/ . > > I would suggest you removing it or changing the broken link with this one > http://www.embassy-worldwide.com/country/united-states/ > > Sincerely, > Malisa > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 14:06:18 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09AD019F for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:06:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90BFBA3F for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:06:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-149-162.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.149.162]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED88927682 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:06:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t1JE6CRx003928 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:06:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:06:12 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? Message-Id: <20150219150612.88c2b0d0.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150219081839.1a4c0359@scorpio> References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <20150218173047.GA53030@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20150218184227.GC26575@neutralgood.org> <20150219132221.b5d14e68.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150219081839.1a4c0359@scorpio> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:06:18 -0000 On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:18:39 -0500, Jerry wrote: > On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:22:21 +0100, Polytropon stated: > > > Excuse me, but what poop-minded movie is _that_ from?! > > > > In my (layman's) education about law I learned that "could", > > "would", "should", and a bright imagination don't lead you > > anywhere in a constituational state that is prout on providing > > a legal system under the requirements of the rule of law. > > It's the job of the investigators to _prove_ you're guilty, > > not your job to prove you're not. Of course, that job isn't > > always easy, I can understand this, and far too often, the > > criminals get away because they know "some clever tricks". > > But it's fully unacceptable that the whole thing turns around > > in such a way that there is a _chance_ that innocent people > > get convicted because of the _absence_ of evidence. > > Actually, you are not factually correct. There have been convictions based on > the fact that the defendant invoked his 5th. Amendment rights to an > excessive degree. The jury based the conviction on the simple fact that if > the actions of the defendant were not nefarious, he/she would not have used > the 5th. Amendment to such excursiveness. This is a possible point of view, but when someone exercises a right that has been granted ("keep silent"), then doing so _should_ not be seen as an evidence that makes him guilty. At least, it's the prosecutor's job to construct a proper chain of evidence which a jury should honor, instead of the absence of something. Thanks for your explanation. But in my heart and in my mind it's my _honest_ opnion that the system of law (prosecution, investigation, police, attorneys, judges, juries, courts) are there for a _purpose_. They should serve the law by doing a good job. As I said, it's not always easy to do so, and in some cases, even the best work doesn't get a criminal to jail. There should not be a "shortcut" to conviction just because something "should have been there, but isn't anymore". > This has happened several times in the US. Actually, it makes sense. If you > were not hiding something then why not disclose the facts. Yes, "why not", and "if you've got nothing to hide"... that argumentation doesn't lead anywhere. Some years ago, I watched a talk given by a police officer, and he basically said: "Don't talk to the police. Keep your mouth shut. Anything you say can get you into trouble, even if you're just a witness and you are asked to state facts." I can't provide a source, but it's probably still available somewhere. When I would extend the concept you mention, then there would be no need for law counsels (at least no lawyers before or in court), because when people would simply state the facts, then there would be no requirement for a _professional_ to deal with the "fine circumstances" of law. In the end, law isn't easy, and most normal people will never understand it entirely. > In any case, you > do not need evidence to convict anyone. You have a legal system that can > spend literally millions of dollars for a conviction and a public defender > that will receive $250. per day per defendant. Usually their requests for > extra funds for investigative resources is denied. In German law, a judge (who decides about guilty or not guilty, instead of a jury) can honor evidence as he wishes. The same applies for any panel. He can "interpret" the evidence, ignore it, or fully rely on it without questioning it. By the letter of the law, he's "free and independant" and only subject to the law - he's "god" in his courtroom. > The fact that anyone is > ever found not guilty is actually quite unusual. If you don't think so, you > watch way to much TV. Spend a few months at your local court house and see > what really happens. In fact, I have (some years ago), and what I saw almost destroyed the last remains of my belief in justice. "In heaven you have justice, on earth you have the law." :-/ I don't know if US courts are slow and weak as most German courts. Slow, because after the crime, two up to 4 years will pass until something happens in court. Weak, because after that time, the judge just says, like, "Don't do that again!", and the case is closed with probation. Anyway, the legal system definitely has its purpose. The prosecutor _has to_ provide evidence, and the court has to value the evidence. There's "no job" for the defendant in that system, and exercising a right is not equivalent pleading guilty. Or at least, it should be that way. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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But I did get your email. ;) -- Roberto Rodriguez Jr. Mach1ne Defense Foundati0n Member 404.474.3997 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 14:29:10 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4346A726 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:29:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-f41.google.com (mail-la0-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A645BC9B for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:29:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by labpv20 with SMTP id pv20so7934805lab.8 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:29:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=glQZTFb8TD8FEZzFJYZ6k/PUy7/qZ9zr0WVs+oUqhwA=; b=EhEfdDwFUrwP9a4wKqZgRt/tbhtPI0RKPWGflODq3IYPKvUS9+Aegs0rwagh+wF/Tw +3otkRGqAQhoyfTBuhIB456+rpMV/6PcFymmJzarhFIm1SQrOrr9iEDNF2pyb1imRUpO LCJvlPWEdeq/VuYYlyPBYuERbQwU7aQIjzjsULl3F35djDBuwr0fevhvvYIkuigumj3w Tkaooy0sQHg0Y/JkrNubNa1jSqjEp8fNpGYcMkbrzxmq3Uuu+nAO8++eYvwce4AAC6To r64qKtMMarTWmjscBLAzyaTxLKtuBFeP4mvkwQQ/WT7dvF1YlTpmm16Zu0XLDKZk9mga pmlg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.167.4 with SMTP id zk4mr4096137lbb.74.1424356147036; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:29:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.34.68 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:29:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20150219150612.88c2b0d0.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <20150218173047.GA53030@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20150218184227.GC26575@neutralgood.org> <20150219132221.b5d14e68.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150219081839.1a4c0359@scorpio> <20150219150612.88c2b0d0.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:29:06 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? From: Andrew Gould To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:29:10 -0000 On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 8:06 AM, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:18:39 -0500, Jerry wrote: > > On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:22:21 +0100, Polytropon stated: > > > > > Excuse me, but what poop-minded movie is _that_ from?! > > > > > > In my (layman's) education about law I learned that "could", > > > "would", "should", and a bright imagination don't lead you > > > anywhere in a constituational state that is prout on providing > > > a legal system under the requirements of the rule of law. > > > It's the job of the investigators to _prove_ you're guilty, > > > not your job to prove you're not. Of course, that job isn't > > > always easy, I can understand this, and far too often, the > > > criminals get away because they know "some clever tricks". > > > But it's fully unacceptable that the whole thing turns around > > > in such a way that there is a _chance_ that innocent people > > > get convicted because of the _absence_ of evidence. > > > > Actually, you are not factually correct. There have been convictions > based on > > the fact that the defendant invoked his 5th. Amendment rights to an > > excessive degree. The jury based the conviction on the simple fact that > if > > the actions of the defendant were not nefarious, he/she would not have > used > > the 5th. Amendment to such excursiveness. > > This is a possible point of view, but when someone exercises > a right that has been granted ("keep silent"), then doing so > _should_ not be seen as an evidence that makes him guilty. > At least, it's the prosecutor's job to construct a proper > chain of evidence which a jury should honor, instead of the > absence of something. > > Thanks for your explanation. But in my heart and in my mind > it's my _honest_ opnion that the system of law (prosecution, > investigation, police, attorneys, judges, juries, courts) are > there for a _purpose_. They should serve the law by doing a > good job. As I said, it's not always easy to do so, and in > some cases, even the best work doesn't get a criminal to jail. > There should not be a "shortcut" to conviction just because > something "should have been there, but isn't anymore". > > > > > This has happened several times in the US. Actually, it makes sense. If > you > > were not hiding something then why not disclose the facts. > > Yes, "why not", and "if you've got nothing to hide"... > that argumentation doesn't lead anywhere. > > Some years ago, I watched a talk given by a police officer, > and he basically said: "Don't talk to the police. Keep your > mouth shut. Anything you say can get you into trouble, even > if you're just a witness and you are asked to state facts." > I can't provide a source, but it's probably still available > somewhere. > > When I would extend the concept you mention, then there would > be no need for law counsels (at least no lawyers before or in > court), because when people would simply state the facts, then > there would be no requirement for a _professional_ to deal with > the "fine circumstances" of law. In the end, law isn't easy, > and most normal people will never understand it entirely. > > > > > In any case, you > > do not need evidence to convict anyone. You have a legal system that can > > spend literally millions of dollars for a conviction and a public > defender > > that will receive $250. per day per defendant. Usually their requests for > > extra funds for investigative resources is denied. > > In German law, a judge (who decides about guilty or not guilty, > instead of a jury) can honor evidence as he wishes. The same > applies for any panel. He can "interpret" the evidence, ignore > it, or fully rely on it without questioning it. By the letter > of the law, he's "free and independant" and only subject to > the law - he's "god" in his courtroom. > > > > > The fact that anyone is > > ever found not guilty is actually quite unusual. If you don't think so, > you > > watch way to much TV. Spend a few months at your local court house and > see > > what really happens. > > In fact, I have (some years ago), and what I saw almost destroyed > the last remains of my belief in justice. "In heaven you have > justice, on earth you have the law." :-/ > > I don't know if US courts are slow and weak as most German courts. > Slow, because after the crime, two up to 4 years will pass until > something happens in court. Weak, because after that time, the > judge just says, like, "Don't do that again!", and the case is > closed with probation. > > Anyway, the legal system definitely has its purpose. The prosecutor > _has to_ provide evidence, and the court has to value the evidence. > There's "no job" for the defendant in that system, and exercising > a right is not equivalent pleading guilty. Or at least, it should > be that way. > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Having been a juror for a murder trial (in the US), I was pleasantly surprised by the efforts made by the court to give jurors good and clear instructions about the consideration of evidence. I was also pleased, during deliberations, that my fellow jurors used those instructions to keep the discussion of evidence within its proper boundaries. My experience may not have been the norm; but it certainly wasn't like anything I've seen in the movies. As for the topic at hand: At the point that I am concerned about my hard drives being scoured for evidence without my knowledge, I will learn a non-technical trade and spend much more time under the sun and trees. Until then, I'd rather bask in the pleasure of small achievements such accessing my desktop at work (Win 7) via Citrix through a desktop at home (Win 8.1 Pro) from my laptop (FreeBSD 10.1 amd64) via freerdp. :-) Andrew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 14:40:16 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE81ABD1 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:40:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm18-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm18-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.217.216]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D965D8C for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:40:15 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1424356651; bh=5QwpWme9GEUNbznVczFmlo5mE4PmjwEVvmhETPG3GsQ=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=AVNVxJe+IjvYyUTlVJNWZOr0Sxh6bFw31e8IC0dOjr/bSgCGC8ZF8ulK4whgDVmEWq9g3rMPZA4WnwadDK2OVPJiI6sa57M09OjQkQkD7lPNMesYlLpbWntHtV4ul1Qz/RuZ3pVBgpfodZVtaNSa8ZQyj+bYYfAoY1gTooMXSfi2s2Cw9Al7bBXurP4CwUcIU66s16hvZXuc0oCxsDRNnuCE49PNWebUGa6Rn3/pRmz5noSDyp9ZpkoGErolF8hvDVLQlHcJXMbCkXlmfcEHFj1GAZieG3/76624Te22XXYdz2yScPqpk1sun6bzVhGxg88heeHot9rt8/2dkRbKaQ== Received: from [216.39.60.181] by nm18.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2015 14:37:31 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.68] by tm17.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2015 14:37:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp105.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2015 14:37:31 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 439796.1283.bm@smtp105.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: Fri_maoVM1kBbRg0fQNtrPZCACAwufDnIXYQv2RMM9dh888 ENJbxl11SFi9pCKqc6w6VnyZxPu8vH5X0ejoaygGzr.6zgAqJ0yppwsA9pns NF3diuNpUPR4jkWDURPZSdwDQfVzlKLAtKqubSj_LMkyWosEwbvXOQu5kKys GMP97nKiP.SKCHUokk3ttxYDUK8jmqS8SoT26mc57TkcPOC.XxpFSl1jti8D Hrjk_SqDwBn.pCp_RercvwP9o3Di_BqIzLkMUd4WEA18F3XPX15a7Tf87JIq HW1qpW.XfCqqVLeSUvNV51LPsBcJ7.5OW7FoVP5EmBZuL7TtXzHoF9e57a3_ TsmsN1FVNmjrPYzmhjeE0.8.2Z81BUYT4R.Xw0EdCFupVp9i2IKQTimzIleg dfBTX6fu2NedXKMlGluyHslR5gDlX28Gjv5qzB3S5fm.RyFnb.Qnwrqg8VRi to4kKMHLSo3hKmZ1PHQR2ALuS1spk9WaHVFSiNixny_I3tgbJZ.cjho1NFDJ Qga0diXPnV2yLvP2ZuPEVMd_I9B4ROcGhlG5ryKUD.Ak42M_OD0L1_.f1HAO g_fpjl8r08RPtwmmHy9p4HmuTEoQGOGFghn2WQpqn68IjUAoKOIrzHauMtxR Wen1Il8l_01pAyQLQxUwohC0WFptl97cDZwMNE1od5NJpRqiMKipDgPMHEY9 WEmsGBEncFGmsqaPDQSJrY0UwmNO42kpGIR4g5kPU9yks9ld9f7Eg7Ukp6qj Ml78YIaX_oTmqrZY14vnhUq4oifkPurmys1LiBzCyXKDmztKCWlP7IjsRdXT 6RKPJ2SpwtMH7ifdBOTCoPWTcFRRmaJzfarlKuUrWuMp7wEnMvNKIU0pymrG tPXhHCKvR.vGgOShOgR_SeTBcZcpxhL_dEtbbDcFS.51VYGBacHJiNsjrGHF yjlmgVMmwKpsMd2FeRPAV1NQhTpjSeT8- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:37:32 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? Message-ID: <20150219153732.331dd196@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20150219131527.ddda246b.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <54E3BEBA.1060801@gmail.com> <20150218183222.2d09d17f.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150218185708.47f7f805@archlinux> <20150218183815.GB26575@neutralgood.org> <20150218203703.5d260b53@archlinux> <20150219131527.ddda246b.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1-66-gd6ba813 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:40:16 -0000 On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:18:39 -0500, Jerry wrote: >If you were not hiding something then why not disclose the facts. So all upright citizens who don't have something to hide even should be willing to accept cameras and microphones in each room of their residences? On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:15:27 +0100, Polytropon wrote: >http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/21/schoolgirl_expelled_rfid_chip/ >http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/12/citywide-rfid-master-house-key-al= ready-broken/ Thank you, that are two interesting links :). "If you=E2=80=99re really worried about other people reading your RFID chip= , it can be rendered harmless simply by covering it in a sleeve that works like a faraday cage." - http://www.extremetech.com/electronics/141277-stop-worrying-and-embrace-rfid :( From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 15:29:08 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22CC2D10 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:29:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-x22c.google.com (mail-yk0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8024359 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:29:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 131so4344241ykp.3 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 07:29:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:disposition-notification-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=TI78TpJVqEpjJPw3Nyk+kvZZ5GLm2yTLxsOnrqCCdY0=; b=qdanTgrlHNV+B2ohsazc1tDwA+hD3r0O6Jc5afwZNSNvKKwD/zty52fS6aiJ+fYLWX UWOEx07b3FdSOEICoYrvWPy8CACsc8M4zIiIaC52LV6aiHEzOx9MoXmAUGrWYCs+hfPy rKekMTI80Fgf+Js8oq6RZSx8zU93SBj/xH65I= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:reply-to:organization:disposition-notification-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=TI78TpJVqEpjJPw3Nyk+kvZZ5GLm2yTLxsOnrqCCdY0=; b=MiGu+NAB5mhgSq918lJAqnqirGDSXnOjZ+4yNJbXtj4oQ0QZq+i0ao111ne6I6ZJbm yBl54ZLOU1pPFEjcRWXxwz5yHlA/ZsZWHokxdJiQoFad9NZNnsdB04K9KM7isDiPSVt5 EsWijLtSjr3R6ba/8FQttsh4kP/3pVxILsib6HaIqIb/ufXd/lBdvIJi74jlnMHXleTd 5BJ9vHEuod7f45bq6bLi7M1iLSoKfvWHaMXex0as65Q/GFLH9TXT5D9BxnxUA/QqR9/E IGk4ilJIAQOAO9yVZ+rpOGLRIQxYWz0HxSPfL9JV9ULaCuvgnp+TEKzZnRUSuh3mIrHr gs+g== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlunwNICQkZfwGVmxY4/sDLrjBR0ba+vzjky8d8cMDpQOFtN5IomHJK2jPZ/ksPCmbBUJBH X-Received: by 10.236.189.143 with SMTP id c15mr3188334yhn.101.1424359746748; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 07:29:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. 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Message-ID: <20150219102905.10e127b2@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <20150218173047.GA53030@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20150218184227.GC26575@neutralgood.org> <20150219132221.b5d14e68.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150219081839.1a4c0359@scorpio> <20150219150612.88c2b0d0.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:29:08 -0000 On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:29:06 -0600, Andrew Gould stated: > Having been a juror for a murder trial (in the US), I was pleasantly > surprised by the efforts made by the court to give jurors good and clear > instructions about the consideration of evidence. I was also pleased, > during deliberations, that my fellow jurors used those instructions to keep > the discussion of evidence within its proper boundaries. My experience may > not have been the norm; but it certainly wasn't like anything I've seen in > the movies. One of the best explanations I have ever heard regarding justice vs. law was given by a college law professor.He stated that if our legal system was really about justice and not law then there would be no such thing as the "Exclusionary rule" . Prosecutors keep their jobs by convicting people. Police detectives advance by closing cases. Rarely, if ever, is the innocents or guilt of the individual ever questioned. I was involved in a case in the early 80's where an individual I knew personally was convicted of an armed burglary and sentenced to 10 years. He had a record of drug abuse charges and was an easy target for the police. I knew he was innocent because he was with me at the time of the crime. Explaining the case here would take way to much time; however, suffice to say the police blackmailed the only other witness who could state where the supposed perpetrator was with the full and complete support of the DA's office. --- Jerry From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 15:40:34 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55188B9 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:40:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-x236.google.com (mail-we0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D0812751 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:40:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wesw55 with SMTP id w55so510734wes.4 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 07:40:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=4BEEpr8Zin7KseRVGmzKUMN66WIfgL84WfJ9a0VIErM=; b=JcvoQa+a2j8RVX2jqBOpSmBXb91JjiLk4w+yDAaFMWD0NZO0phkcleP4j0F3APRxYD QMnzv50didBU5AU50tSHWhGuk7xn3s+lr1008IJ7I0n1SJSt6XslOxjW4QHuZkey3JSj Y+9Dp8eFgMIbPWrQdrBidaaYH1HDFVCktMw7y/ukI0uN+oSkcP7JcnF7sqV0u1hNcmFZ JVQ1TCie6hhTdmLhiX0zpXY/51ggm6vmyLcW01brEjGlF1ctceoOYC8zLrZTo/VzzUPS 0UHztsER6LlEa0QkPhiTivM2Wf1Qs7ax52i6sBXDKU4mCw82WooyOf/UIW9fR2bnScvn 9LGQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.108.13 with SMTP id hg13mr11208098wib.7.1424360430807; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 07:40:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.241.132 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 07:40:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <54E01849.3020500@complete.org> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 23:40:30 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 10.1 ZFS - why canmount=off for /usr and /var by default? From: Ben Woods To: krad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: John Goerzen , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:40:34 -0000 /zroot/var exists but is not mounted to allow sub-datasets such as /zroot/var/log to be created. It also allows for using inheretence for all sub-datasets under zroot/var for common ZFS proprieties (eg. Compression settings). On Thursday, February 19, 2015, krad wrote: > It is a bit confusing, I have to ask why call it zroot/usr at all? I use > /os/ for stuff like ports etc and then set the mountpoint. If we must > use usr in the name why not set the mountpoint to legacy as well, as its > more clearly not used? > > On 15 February 2015 at 13:52, John Goerzen > wrote: > > > Ben Woods gmail.com> writes: > > > > > > > > To quote Allan Jude when I posed this question to him: > > > > > > "The /usr dataset has 'canmount' set to off. It only exists so that > other > > > datasets can be created under it. > > > > That makes sense. But it is misleading to have the mountpoint set to > /usr > > and /var, isn't it? In a zfs list, it looks as if it's being used for > /usr > > and /var, when really as you say it's a container. > > > > I wonder - would there be a place I could submit a bug report to suggest > > that the mountpoint property be inherited at the default rather than set > > for > > these two filesystems? > > > > > To use boot environments, you need to install the tool from the ports > > tree: > > > sysutils/beadm-devel > > > > Interesting. That looks quite nice. I need to read up a bit more on it, > > clearly, since it seems to be more than just a zfs clone and zpool set > > bootfs that I was expecting. > > > > Thanks, > > > > John > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org " > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org " > -- -- From: Benjamin Woods woodsb02@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 15:45:56 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB42732C for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:45:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FB8379A for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:45:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 8F985CB8C9F; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:45:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from 128.135.70.2 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:45:50 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <14732.128.135.70.2.1424360750.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <20150219153732.331dd196@archlinux> References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <54E3BEBA.1060801@gmail.com> <20150218183222.2d09d17f.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150218185708.47f7f805@archlinux> <20150218183815.GB26575@neutralgood.org> <20150218203703.5d260b53@archlinux> <20150219131527.ddda246b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150219153732.331dd196@archlinux> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:45:50 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Ralf Mardorf" Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:45:56 -0000 On Thu, February 19, 2015 8:37 am, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:18:39 -0500, Jerry wrote: >>If you were not hiding something then why not disclose the facts. > > So all upright citizens who don't have something to hide even should be > willing to accept cameras and microphones in each room of their > residences? > > On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:15:27 +0100, Polytropon wrote: >>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/21/schoolgirl_expelled_rfid_chip/ >>http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/12/citywide-rfid-master-house-key-already-broken/ > > Thank you, that are two interesting links :). > > "If you’re really worried about other people reading your RFID chip, it > can be rendered harmless simply by covering it in a sleeve that works > like a faraday cage." - > http://www.extremetech.com/electronics/141277-stop-worrying-and-embrace-rfid > > :( > Yes, this thread makes me realize one thing even sharper than ever. It's a brave new world. It's not Constitutional republic, but Democracy everywhere. You know the difference between them, right? In Constitutional republic unconstitutional thing can not be done even if 99% want to. In Democracy 51% can decide that killing the rest 49% of people is good way to fight overpopulation. In Democracy it is legal. Even though in good people's book it is bad and is called genocide. The worst trouble is that these democratic decisions are made by voters majority of whom... (brainwashed,...) hm..., not as bright as all of you guys are. But yielding your civil rights to government is the worst thing one can do or request from another. Remember that the government is in general much nastier than individuals are. The largest number of humans in the whole history was killed by the governments, not by individuals. So, everybody, please, do use your brain! Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 15:49:23 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 28FA8404 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:49:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no (smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1:200:ff:fe00:b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no", Issuer "Fagskolen i Gj??vik" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C24727C1 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:49:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.fig.ol.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t1JFnC8J098348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 19 Feb 2015 16:49:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id t1JFnC2W098345; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 16:49:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.fig.ol.no: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 16:49:12 +0100 (CET) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no To: krad Subject: Re: 10.1 ZFS - why canmount=off for /usr and /var by default? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <54E01849.3020500@complete.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) Organization: Fagskolen Innlandet OpenPGP: url=http://fig.ol.no/~trond/trond.key MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on mail.fig.ol.no Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: John Goerzen , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:49:23 -0000 On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:06-0000, krad wrote: > It is a bit confusing, I have to ask why call it zroot/usr at all? I use > /os/ for stuff like ports etc and then set the mountpoint. If we must > use usr in the name why not set the mountpoint to legacy as well, as its > more clearly not used? Sorry for jumping in, but it's done simply to inherit the mountpoint. It has already been said, but here's a recap. Most of what you'll find in /usr belongs to the current BE. Datasets create below zroot/usr, e.g. zroot/usr/local, magically appears as /usr/foo, e.g. /usr/local. The same goes for zroot/var and /var. If you want to install FreeBSD with ZFS using some other train of thought, then feel free to do so. I have my own set of scripts at http://ximalas.info/~trond/create-zfs/canmount/, and they certainly have their flaws, and maybe I even change these scripts in the future as I move along and change my perspective on FreeBSD and ZFS. > On 15 February 2015 at 13:52, John Goerzen wrote: > > > Ben Woods gmail.com> writes: > > > > > > > > To quote Allan Jude when I posed this question to him: > > > > > > "The /usr dataset has 'canmount' set to off. It only exists so that other > > > datasets can be created under it. > > > > That makes sense. But it is misleading to have the mountpoint set to /usr > > and /var, isn't it? In a zfs list, it looks as if it's being used for /usr > > and /var, when really as you say it's a container. > > > > I wonder - would there be a place I could submit a bug report to suggest > > that the mountpoint property be inherited at the default rather than set > > for > > these two filesystems? > > > > > To use boot environments, you need to install the tool from the ports > > tree: > > > sysutils/beadm-devel > > > > Interesting. That looks quite nice. I need to read up a bit more on it, > > clearly, since it seems to be more than just a zfs clone and zpool set > > bootfs that I was expecting. > > > > Thanks, > > > > John -- +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | Vennlig hilsen, | Best regards, | | Trond Endrestøl, | Trond Endrestøl, | | IT-ansvarlig, | System administrator, | | Fagskolen Innlandet, | Gjøvik Technical College, Norway, | | tlf. mob. 952 62 567, | Cellular...: +47 952 62 567, | | sentralbord 61 14 54 00. | Switchboard: +47 61 14 54 00. | +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 15:59:30 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49D6E540 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:59:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 010938BC for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:59:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YOTVX-0002o5-Ee for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 16:59:19 +0100 Received: from vps.jonz.net ([216.17.42.59]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 16:59:19 +0100 Received: from SPAM_TRAP_gmane by vps.jonz.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 16:59:19 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Jonesy Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:59:06 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <54E3BEBA.1060801@gmail.com> <20150218183222.2d09d17f.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150218185708.47f7f805@archlinux> <20150218183815.GB26575@neutralgood.org> <20150218203703.5d260b53@archlinux> <20150219131527.ddda246b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150219153732.331dd196@archlinux> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: vps.jonz.net User-Agent: slrn/1.0.2 (FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:59:30 -0000 On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:37:32 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:18:39 -0500, Jerry wrote: >>If you were not hiding something then why not disclose the facts. > > So all upright citizens who don't have something to hide even should be > willing to accept cameras and microphones in each room of their > residences? > > On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:15:27 +0100, Polytropon wrote: >>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/21/schoolgirl_expelled_rfid_chip/ >>http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/12/citywide-rfid-master-house-key-already-broken/ > > Thank you, that are two interesting links :). > > "If you’re really worried about other people reading your RFID chip, it > can be rendered harmless simply by covering it in a sleeve that works > like a faraday cage." - > http://www.extremetech.com/electronics/141277-stop-worrying-and-embrace-rfid I would think that 30 seconds in a microwave oven should render it "complaint". Just remember to take off any metal clips, etc. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 16:36:45 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6FE8C69A for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 16:36:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32313D4C for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 16:36:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 45490CB8CA0; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:36:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from 128.135.70.2 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:36:44 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <31119.128.135.70.2.1424363804.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <20150219125317.a919b9d8.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <51803.128.135.70.2.1424219858.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20150218020243.366fe968@archlinux> <20150218190012.d865cbdf.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150219062512.0de2ee5a@scorpio> <20150219125317.a919b9d8.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:36:44 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Polytropon" Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 16:36:45 -0000 On Thu, February 19, 2015 5:53 am, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:25:12 -0500, Jerry wrote: >> On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:00:12 +0100, Polytropon stated: >> >> > Also keep in mind: there's a difference between "to protect" and "to >> > investigate" - and put that into context with defining priorities... >> >> The is also a difference between "to lie" and "to cover-up", but what >> has >> that got to do with the price of tea in China. > > The first one is a means, the second one is a goal. > There's also a difference between "ask for assistance" > and "blackmail", as well as between "just a bunch of > innocent photos of kids playing at the beach" and "child > pornography", or "a normal financial transaction" and > "impressive fraud". Which it is _said_ to be depends on > many aspects: who is investigated, by whom, how is > money involved, what "connections" are present and > so on. And in many cases, criminals seem to be much > better in achieving the "right evaluation" of their > actions than the investigators... Just saying. > > > >> It has never failed to amaze me though that those who cry the loudest >> about >> the invasion of privacy are the same individuals who have accumulated >> the most >> nefarious secrets to begin with. > > I wouldn't say so. Those with the really nefarious secrets > have excellent means to protect them, and they keep silent > and covered. Do you know what criminals hate most? Publicity. > They can't stand the attention of others when they get into > the focus of investigators or the society. That's why the > public knows (almost) nothing about what they're doing. > > Privacy will soon be a "luxury good of the wealthy ones". > Maybe this is just a beginning: > > http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/02/att-charges-29-more-for-gigabit-fiber-that-doesnt-watch-your-web-browsing/ > It sounds like they are making very smart move in the efficiency of data processing. Those who do not mind being watched will be watched as usually. Those who decided to pay extra for not being watched will be watched with even more detail and their data will be put through much deeper and thorough processing and analysis. ;-) Valeri > This doesn't affect me much because I live in a country > where mass surveillance (by several "interested parties") > is the sad reality. As I usually tend to say: Everything > that is technically possible WILL BE DONE, no matter if > we can immediately recognize it. Sometimes decades later > the truth comes out. In most cases. > > > >> Poll after poll have shown that the vox >> populi would rather err on the side of safety and security. > > Considerations of safety and security, put into relation > with privacy and freedom, don't matter for most "normal" > people as they value their commodity and time higher than > any of those abstract goods. They simply don't care. That's > why I wouldn't put much value on that kind of polls. Given > the right carefully selected "representative" sample and > nice statistical calculations, you can prove everything. :-) > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 16:49:35 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3BF5E838 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 16:49:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-x22e.google.com (mail-ie0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE619E54 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 16:49:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iecvy18 with SMTP id vy18so1246349iec.6 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:49:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IlZhNrf592sSbEV3WCOkRLvy6miSixKwfJW3P788s9o=; b=TxiUCCjpLMbToqeqZo2J6WRqSjodpD+6F4mz7+ins3yK5M8dkNYOUzomnKe5Vpr1eI hOmV8O6FbGb++SktuqWy+HX61xrAOHXWP5hMymAIYHkaVKDpqWxGmMliFNFJQIntfm7D t/rfqgsH4xCqO0GSai3EuiIO6axB+xcT6Jk3Xg+NfX/7DY4+hGFRu5VCSdWRy/7e+9Gm V1fjxX543gGk4ZUApvyWmYvByL3soYnBZv5tY1Q46tfnFhbUUNgF0S18Np2lbqn2GgCG HVFyE2nhgXjSHqNHrrpmNCMsQo3VRmPhShac8LNfpkFiaZetOhHtu0uBdcCYPOZg30Zg j+yA== X-Received: by 10.50.82.68 with SMTP id g4mr5474291igy.26.1424364574298; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:49:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([2601:7:6c80:6f00::baff]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id k125sm15289477ioe.29.2015.02.19.08.49.33 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:49:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54E6141C.9050808@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:49:32 -0700 From: jd1008 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <51803.128.135.70.2.1424219858.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20150218020243.366fe968@archlinux> <20150218190012.d865cbdf.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150219062512.0de2ee5a@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20150219062512.0de2ee5a@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 16:49:35 -0000 On 02/19/2015 04:25 AM, Jerry wrote: > On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:00:12 +0100, Polytropon stated: > >> Also keep in mind: there's a difference between "to protect" and "to >> investigate" - and put that into context with defining priorities... > The is also a difference between "to lie" and "to cover-up", but what has > that got to do with the price of tea in China. > > It has never failed to amaze me though that those who cry the loudest about > the invasion of privacy are the same individuals who have accumulated the most > nefarious secrets to begin with. Poll after poll have shown that the vox > populi would rather err on the side of safety and security. > OMG - Look at the history of how tyrants came to power: Create a thesis (through various servants and shills) Propose the antithesis: More draconian laws and invasions of privacy and destruction of personal liberties. Finally - Bring down the final axe: The Synthesis of a whole new paradigm of the relationship of the ruled to the rulers: Total obedience to the demands of the rulers. If you do not know this: Read the philosophy of Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel. Then look at how the Hitlers and Mousolinis and Mao's came to power. Sleep tight. You are safe in the hands of your masters. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 16:57:00 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 608F3B5C for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 16:57:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-x22d.google.com (mail-ig0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1DF6BF54 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 16:57:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ig0-f173.google.com with SMTP id a13so45525537igq.0 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:56:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=U2QtvRNfPgSKNeSF63/+sW6FV/9nXmBjFHK+McAXCqM=; b=VKQ5mJ/TCF4g9nlnn23646z7JibdERV9/oEmBBuXkSNDehSudldtF42TC4xdsEwS53 2sPXq4MrfvN7MhFz3Hgj04cDZOO5A45uBmT6lfhgFAHzTJvslhTTIQwBNXeBW8SCcXGW 3ij/+FWDns23hMa9C/yRVpnn4vWDh3g3D3QTgmIAUgmAXAsibOKODcpncLS8RmtZY6mU KIteJi+jbUo6NLjwIM8xk3kx0R4aTk5lmj4beNoNCnhBerE2EFj6H5HzS6nb95gbV9Ik M6LAY71asBJpSz0OfDY2YzsS74ZQCDq+2yKzODMmrBfWeu7nWeEF9wiucombAjOUCwvK KxpQ== X-Received: by 10.50.78.9 with SMTP id x9mr5715749igw.44.1424365019478; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:56:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([2601:7:6c80:6f00::baff]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id yq1sm14183914igb.21.2015.02.19.08.56.58 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:56:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54E615D9.6070600@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:56:57 -0700 From: jd1008 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <54E3BEBA.1060801@gmail.com> <20150218183222.2d09d17f.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150218185708.47f7f805@archlinux> <20150218183815.GB26575@neutralgood.org> <20150218203703.5d260b53@archlinux> <20150219131527.ddda246b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150219131527.ddda246b.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 16:57:00 -0000 On 02/19/2015 05:15 AM, Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:37:03 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> RFIDs can't directly control our minds, but it's too funny, a RFID >> could be everywhere in our closes, soles etc. and we wouldn't notice >> it. > Unless we use proper testing equipment and a microwave oven. :-) > > > >> I'm one of those who don't need a mobile. I simply mean it word >> by word, "I don't need it" and that's the reason that I don't carry a >> mobile wherever I am. However, I'm aware that in my pocket are several >> cards with RFID, so theoretically it's possible to follow ever step I >> make in the same way, as it is possible to spy people who carry a >> handy 24/7. > Because it is possible, it HAS BEEN DONE. Allow me to provide > you with one example (not new): > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/21/schoolgirl_expelled_rfid_chip/ > > http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/11/student-suspension/ > > But it's not that RFID is "evil" per se, or useless. As someone > said, it's a tool, and a tool does what its master (in whose hands > it becomes "alive") decides: > > http://www.extremetech.com/electronics/141277-stop-worrying-and-embrace-rfid > > Like this: > > http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/12/citywide-rfid-master-house-key-already-broken/ > > It's not even funny anymore. > > > >> Indirectly this information could be used to have >> impact to everybody, you and me. > Consider side effects, not just with RFID, but with almost > every other technology. You don't carry a smartphone. But > the guy next to you does, and it's a bug which is now in > his pocket while you sit at the conference table and discuss > a confidential deal. Maybe you have an old phone with no > camera. But the woman across the street has, and while she > takes a photo of a nearby fountain, your face + her location > are being uploaded to the cloud for further processing. > > You cannot be "safe" (whatever you want to understand by > that word). By NO means. No matter what you do, it's impossible > > > >> The most dangerous isn't collecting data, aren't RFIDs etc., the most >> dangerous is that in school they still teach by the left brain/verbal >> approach, while we are living in a medial/right brain/visually world. > Except maybe the visually challenged people (vision impaired > or blind)... > > > >> Less people are educated to handle multimedia in a reflective way. > People are educated to _not_ reflect about anything. > > > >> Western education just teaches how to use multimedia software, not to >> think about the consequences. > Use in order to consume, in the first place. Every creational act > is left to "artists", but luckily, modern computers and the Internet > enable more people to be creative and share their works, so there > is hope for a better understanding (as long, of course, as those > creations don't drown in the sea of irrelevance). > > > >> I don't fear Trojans and similar, I fear unenlightened societies. > Try to ignore and forget them, or they'll scare you to death. ;-) > > > Desperately needed: Worldwide Mass Awakening to turn the table upside down. The current ultra wealthy ruling classes that control the world's money supply and the manipulation thereof, has to go. Sorry to say - it ain't happening any time soon. People like to sleep comfortably in the status quo. Frogs and crabs can be slowly boiled to death and will make no attempt to jump out of the cauldron. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 17:04:25 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83110E50 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:04:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-x231.google.com (mail-ie0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41B7CCF for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:04:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iecrl12 with SMTP id rl12so1436408iec.2 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:04:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dWVh5Y/nYycL1CpP6hEynO3qV9F2X5uFgB0LZyWlqgw=; b=Z17mh116y08GgyXGZLwKF+PrIf9NrmfASa7gipwXnhgpMNp0QiQgL/359NkJ/aB+Jy 0tW+d3Hy28KR91njKbL/Y2bWuPtvP7IpX97+6jCdIHB6rIojOyAMRSuPqRBWVCOaJQpn VwyIeXr2HFuybl1RxYetE8DD//Ry1CoFinE3n9uBHpai7My6iK8CPP+/HLhzbEkGC5Ph 00hE0r9ze9lp6fwCcK7bjHmPqUXtXIesSSvIzbvR3JvhE53wPoZWhawD2N6GqepVlUgA US2y4V2fQyDtkJBHwyiyu+9QFYbOIF2yxAj6o98g65EQH2XODIMrO1bKoA0nO3R/RK7R ySlA== X-Received: by 10.107.150.149 with SMTP id y143mr3493794iod.22.1424365464505; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:04:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([2601:7:6c80:6f00::baff]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id z9sm14181487igw.21.2015.02.19.09.04.23 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:04:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54E61796.4060306@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:04:22 -0700 From: jd1008 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <20150218173047.GA53030@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20150218184227.GC26575@neutralgood.org> <20150219132221.b5d14e68.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150219081839.1a4c0359@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20150219081839.1a4c0359@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:04:25 -0000 On 02/19/2015 06:18 AM, Jerry wrote: > On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:22:21 +0100, Polytropon stated: > >> Excuse me, but what poop-minded movie is _that_ from?! >> >> In my (layman's) education about law I learned that "could", >> "would", "should", and a bright imagination don't lead you >> anywhere in a constituational state that is prout on providing >> a legal system under the requirements of the rule of law. >> It's the job of the investigators to _prove_ you're guilty, >> not your job to prove you're not. Of course, that job isn't >> always easy, I can understand this, and far too often, the >> criminals get away because they know "some clever tricks". >> But it's fully unacceptable that the whole thing turns around >> in such a way that there is a _chance_ that innocent people >> get convicted because of the _absence_ of evidence. > Actually, you are not factually correct. There have been convictions based on > the fact that the defendant invoked his 5th. Amendment rights to an > excessive degree. The jury based the conviction on the simple fact that if > the actions of the defendant were not nefarious, he/she would not have used > the 5th. Amendment to such excursiveness. > > This has happened several times in the US. Actually, it makes sense. If you > were not hiding something then why not disclose the facts. In any case, you > do not need evidence to convict anyone. You have a legal system that can > spend literally millions of dollars for a conviction and a public defender > that will receive $250. per day per defendant. Usually their requests for > extra funds for investigative resources is denied. The fact that anyone is > ever found not guilty is actually quite unusual. If you don't think so, you > watch way to much TV. Spend a few months at your local court house and see > what really happens. > What a pile of manure. Any decent and intelligent lawyer could appeal such cased and have the conviction thrown out of court - this, assuming that our court systems and judges are actually fully beholden to the constitution and the rule of law, and due process. I am sorry to say that the events of the last 45 years have demonstrated (to me) that the court systems and judges are not always what they are supposed to be. Sleep tight everyone, You are in protective custody for your own safety. Are there any disk drived (old IDE's) that do not have this intrusion in them? Back to what year of manufacture. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 17:20:52 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9299E4A0 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:20:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-x22a.google.com (mail-ig0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E4D8266 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:20:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ig0-f170.google.com with SMTP id l13so1737881iga.1 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:20:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RzEjOuXpX1lc9YiPa9zY5jT2WlNuY61XuXDx6PJk29I=; b=ofsuLGBgDCu6lzcwCtAWKkiFqj+00YzDI7WVxMDbRmvRAjnFMnlSUy030O6m5fz9VK B/jUMyITbF5KONNzl04wpn8D7/Gy1Hnpe3kW7iPjUeOsuz5xdrnPqkFtrRcEE+iiekCl 1GzH7W/5e9WlFahTeaWffSbiWE7TyqOlxb/vhGichtkxVJkz1fJXOpI3bliMLFbXaUp0 ma6LY5QbUsPQo88iGmZhIrfnLMrjcrKVNZL1NiT4bbFL43wacQ9nNk5VZu+6zKWYq/Rv 3Q4wxs62XfR1duNiKWcnW5G18bkeL3byWm+DcuQKrenlePpj2GLOk/SX+C6mIE/SsgV9 3/5A== X-Received: by 10.50.30.202 with SMTP id u10mr11308031igh.35.1424366451550; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:20:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([2601:7:6c80:6f00::baff]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id b137sm15347545ioe.1.2015.02.19.09.20.50 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:20:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54E61B70.2060204@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:20:48 -0700 From: jd1008 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <54E3BEBA.1060801@gmail.com> <20150218183222.2d09d17f.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150218185708.47f7f805@archlinux> <20150218183815.GB26575@neutralgood.org> <20150218203703.5d260b53@archlinux> <20150219131527.ddda246b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150219153732.331dd196@archlinux> <14732.128.135.70.2.1424360750.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <14732.128.135.70.2.1424360750.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:20:52 -0000 On 02/19/2015 08:45 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > On Thu, February 19, 2015 8:37 am, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:18:39 -0500, Jerry wrote: >>> If you were not hiding something then why not disclose the facts. >> So all upright citizens who don't have something to hide even should be >> willing to accept cameras and microphones in each room of their >> residences? >> >> On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:15:27 +0100, Polytropon wrote: >>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/21/schoolgirl_expelled_rfid_chip/ >>> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/12/citywide-rfid-master-house-key-already-broken/ >> Thank you, that are two interesting links :). >> >> "If you’re really worried about other people reading your RFID chip, it >> can be rendered harmless simply by covering it in a sleeve that works >> like a faraday cage." - >> http://www.extremetech.com/electronics/141277-stop-worrying-and-embrace-rfid >> >> :( >> > Yes, this thread makes me realize one thing even sharper than ever. It's a > brave new world. It's not Constitutional republic, but Democracy > everywhere. You know the difference between them, right? In Constitutional > republic unconstitutional thing can not be done even if 99% want to. In > Democracy 51% can decide that killing the rest 49% of people is good way > to fight overpopulation. In Democracy it is legal. Even though in good > people's book it is bad and is called genocide. The worst trouble is that > these democratic decisions are made by voters majority of whom... > (brainwashed,...) hm..., not as bright as all of you guys are. > > But yielding your civil rights to government is the worst thing one can do > or request from another. Remember that the government is in general much > nastier than individuals are. The largest number of humans in the whole > history was killed by the governments, not by individuals. So, everybody, > please, do use your brain! > > Valeri > Democracy automagically leads to Despotism. What do you think has happened to the USA, since the fateful year of 1913 under Woodrow Wilson? If you do not know, read The Creature from Jekyll Island (hopefully in it's original first printing - subsequent printings may have been revised). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 17:25:07 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77874645 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:25:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yh0-x235.google.com (mail-yh0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c01::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27B02361 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:25:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yhaf73 with SMTP id f73so830384yha.3 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:25:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zTo0Z0ZQaANC/Zt6IMaDTUNcp4bquTH6IjfALbOp9ys=; b=Bu1hzNkwuxn/ik2y3/BLwJSrY2eZhX2oxRXuRLgfJmNo48Ys1ogzSRPKE/15Wv9mxy PJ895rPwR4wyYaohfA9jaXMyGCrJPtvs/ldk5NfFRTujislATlMOeNyW5hiZsbX1WaqL mv56ai9FsUosGHs9JnjY/dQsR+F85hehJDRUk= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:reply-to:organization:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=zTo0Z0ZQaANC/Zt6IMaDTUNcp4bquTH6IjfALbOp9ys=; b=nEF2X1aCS1a5eoH6jhaHe1cS+3dRXvnQFZhikSPZQDQjDCAcVibj3Eg+FjkfEInQdr gOMn9s7BtktmRUou8aYqGRK07CLRlDodgJ7mM6wDeoDOByxQqNw5AysOAqwWCUKVNvxH /U+GWPVEcvgoy44anLB/cvX0A0weVVt++VTLpRm3kK86JT7cdJAZU2Sd7Rgr6Vutezo+ 622OlffOnGiUd8iMN2vPdmfuggUUt5/byeeYmzLbfXPJj2reHDGsMOY8R4Nwj5styZ0k vswd4SADiJcZ1D5iC0MTrUFpSc4+523SMWaFKxBBEEogCyNIl5euaokXHaKq7oGU/LSK WeMw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl2E7IF1VrOZGIdbBI8GeoVJ19JW5RaSNOJF/1DgeM+1Td6nvaVAFl1z49cVWjrGENp9VB4 X-Received: by 10.236.209.65 with SMTP id r41mr3735083yho.152.1424366706216; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:25:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id o30sm19269859yha.37.2015.02.19.09.25.05 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:25:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com [76.182.104.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3kp2qN4rXJz3Dlj5 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:25:04 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.6 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:24:46 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD FreeBSD Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? Message-ID: <20150219122446.4ff6982f@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <54E61796.4060306@gmail.com> References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <20150218173047.GA53030@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20150218184227.GC26575@neutralgood.org> <20150219132221.b5d14e68.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150219081839.1a4c0359@scorpio> <54E61796.4060306@gmail.com> Reply-To: FreeBSD FreeBSD Organization: seibercom NET X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:25:07 -0000 On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:04:22 -0700, jd1008 stated: > What a pile of manure. > Any decent and intelligent lawyer could appeal such > cased and have the conviction thrown out of court - > this, assuming that our court systems and judges are > actually fully beholden to the constitution and the rule > of law, and due process. Just two cases in point: Los Angeles County Francisco "Franky" Carrillo was convicted of the 1991 murder of Donald Sarpy and sentenced to life in jail. His conviction was reversed by the Los Angeles County Superior Court on March 14, 2011, after he had served twenty years in prison. Geronimo Pratt, a Black Panther leader, was convicted in 1972 of the 1968 murder of a white school teacher and sentenced to life in jail. He was exonerated in 1997. There are literally 100's of cases that are sometimes corrected after 20+ years. Is 20+ years your idea of success? By the way, this is my number 1 argument against the death penalty. Correct me if I am wrong, but they have not discovered how to reanimate a corpse yet have they? It was reported, and I forgot what agency did the study, that not less than 2% and not more than 7% of all incarcerated men and women in the US are totally innocent of the crime they were convicted of.It went on to state that these convictions were obtained though a combination of official misconduct by the prosecution and sloppy or deliberately engineered investigations by the police. These cases from NY are interesting because I actually knew some of the cops involved in the Westchester case. New York New York County The Central Park Five were five Harlem teens convicted of the 1989 assault and rape of a jogger in New York's Central Park. They served their sentences but afterwards their convictions were set aside in 2002 when DNA evidence cleared them and another man confessed to the crime. Westchester County In 1998 Kian Daniel Khatibi was convicted of a double stabbing after detectives from the Village of Pleasantville falsely claimed that the victims had identified Kian as their attacker and then forwarded this false information to the Westchester County District Attorney. In 2008, Kian was released from prison as the truth unraveled and the conviction was overturned. Jeffrey Mark Deskovic was convicted of the 1989 of rape and murder of a high school classmate and sentenced to 15 years-life in jail. He was exonerated in 2006 when the DNA from the crime was matched to another person. -- Jerry From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 17:29:14 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1BCD775 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:29:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-x233.google.com (mail-yk0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 451033A0 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:29:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f179.google.com with SMTP id 9so4676312ykp.10 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:29:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3x7V8sbZrx9gM2f+aoqJJdNsTk2FI4D+b7vDlIa29Jg=; b=fInsgef3jXzTsFSIIwF9ExxBiBTVfdvoHuPnVEA2vqc0VKIrZPlwjAjhJFOoI2KZh/ ZEufGGt3vTHMbI2xFC1SvfJWm2Cg8AYOIjl2/eu+2o3uii892D48OcHWwyEtyj5t8W+0 kym06c9x5nBrXQBt5Qs96378NgQWnlR8mfebY= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:reply-to:organization:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=3x7V8sbZrx9gM2f+aoqJJdNsTk2FI4D+b7vDlIa29Jg=; b=afDut98RR31W5LN4BlUz5U7j/dKFNDSy3SDKjOFERQmocqCqxdEyrUSP1vfWhWRU6b k42jTqTSxIweLHU4axM3SWy6m0Ez2YaPjnOQYiXTeBGkz/jegPgQb5dfZB16T3XBfCtF doYzxtFZYsyIHhBuU18aZcR/MQVG/C2mQ4voK672BbtVRjJ6srlKKWEG5weFV5EXmu1S m7sUIEs0rtJVuitoaCD9YzoRfuSRuRqchds8OoLrtTBvPFIiZ2BKWAxJHM/r9rIGaC/d TPcImhfajrr6NS05Cj980985JQST4BYxsFXXKv+EXEk8lMeZNEdttV/dqM58A0Y6ukbX 1pIQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQksQ8/KLc1jqdljD9pLyv+UVV4yIDLM6VAYc7+Ynj9Q+t3CglamW2DvxA5/iAVlIjbYowkk X-Received: by 10.236.20.138 with SMTP id p10mr3524382yhp.161.1424366953416; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:29:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id n8sm19291722yhn.10.2015.02.19.09.29.12 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:29:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com [76.182.104.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3kp2w81fr2z3Dlj5 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:29:12 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.6 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:29:11 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD FreeBSD Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? Message-ID: <20150219122911.6dcda842@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <54E615D9.6070600@gmail.com> References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <54E3BEBA.1060801@gmail.com> <20150218183222.2d09d17f.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150218185708.47f7f805@archlinux> <20150218183815.GB26575@neutralgood.org> <20150218203703.5d260b53@archlinux> <20150219131527.ddda246b.freebsd@edvax.de> <54E615D9.6070600@gmail.com> Reply-To: FreeBSD FreeBSD Organization: seibercom NET X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:29:14 -0000 On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:56:57 -0700, jd1008 stated: > Desperately needed: > > Worldwide Mass Awakening to turn the table upside down. > The current ultra wealthy ruling classes that control the > world's money supply and the manipulation thereof, has to go. > > Sorry to say - it ain't happening any time soon. > People like to sleep comfortably in the status quo. > > Frogs and crabs can be slowly boiled to death and will > make no attempt to jump out of the cauldron. Admit it, you are a Karl Mark disciple. I wouldn't doubt but that you have copies of the The Communist Manifesto (1848) and Das Kapital (1867–1894) on your bedside table. -- Jerry From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 17:46:47 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C84BD7C for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:46:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-x236.google.com (mail-ie0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF27B7FB for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:46:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iecar1 with SMTP id ar1so1671086iec.11 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:46:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7tZI7SMW5tSKUF25ZVzQs6EmgbuycCNuhsh3WPwRgAM=; b=JxhLCbKLRV94BBvEkw2j6SeUWeR198M6v+i/VCdt/2WxlN78xGOSuJlomiGqCGzXQz 101onn9ihrFvMaWKwLGmW4DaedR68n0u11EpYqdbUt/WofAii6DpcZUPrFH6mala0gKG TutyDEt0THiw51eV8Cp506NqrkqxRdrOGDQVX9nVhCsQ1I9XMui0Xi/On6Vj7pwKWTLj ihzocvkejDcjvn1ajaBHBdETiC7GIrGuLaDa/gP8Wx2rQPQ8zlXMpdaGF556y2//16f3 SBfhbaDmDh4CfKuNoLvdbeFj6pS1AczW8NJTTAuwFamGaOyhff0rHIsTRjFa5l5Zj5d3 pX/g== X-Received: by 10.107.12.167 with SMTP id 39mr7858691iom.71.1424368006231; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:46:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([2601:7:6c80:6f00::baff]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id i93sm15381322iod.7.2015.02.19.09.46.44 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:46:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54E62183.1050407@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:46:43 -0700 From: jd1008 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <20150218173047.GA53030@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20150218184227.GC26575@neutralgood.org> <20150219132221.b5d14e68.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150219081839.1a4c0359@scorpio> <54E61796.4060306@gmail.com> <20150219122446.4ff6982f@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20150219122446.4ff6982f@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:46:47 -0000 On 02/19/2015 10:24 AM, Jerry wrote: > On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:04:22 -0700, jd1008 stated: > >> What a pile of manure. >> Any decent and intelligent lawyer could appeal such >> cased and have the conviction thrown out of court - >> this, assuming that our court systems and judges are >> actually fully beholden to the constitution and the rule >> of law, and due process. > Just two cases in point: > > Los Angeles County > > Francisco "Franky" Carrillo was convicted of the 1991 murder of Donald Sarpy > and sentenced to life in jail. His conviction was reversed by the Los Angeles > County Superior Court on March 14, 2011, after he had served twenty years in > prison. > > Geronimo Pratt, a Black Panther leader, was convicted in 1972 of the 1968 > murder of a white school teacher and sentenced to life in jail. He was > exonerated in 1997. > > There are literally 100's of cases that are sometimes corrected after 20+ > years. Is 20+ years your idea of success? Of course NOT!!!! It only highlights and underlines the fact the the courts are NOT what they ought to be. Why would the courts delay the hearing of such appeals? Why would the lawyers delay the filing of such appeals. The whole system is obviously broken. Have you seen and heard of what some police are doing to totally unarmed individuals? Some such individuals have died by police mishandling (and that's stating mildly). In many such cases, the police are exonerated by the courts. Scant few are prosecuted. Sorry to say, that "democracies" have indeed degenerated or are slowly degenerating into thuggeries, with the real rulers always hidden behind the screen of so called elected officials who are bribed and and intimidated into doing the will of their masters. Does 911 ring a bell? Or do you believe that it was a real attack by outsiders? Please do read the philosopher Hegel. > By the way, this is my number 1 > argument against the death penalty. Correct me if I am wrong, but they have > not discovered how to reanimate a corpse yet have they? Ah... you have not watched Young Frankenstein? :) :) > > It was reported, and I forgot what agency did the study, that not less than > 2% and not more than 7% of all incarcerated men and women in the US are > totally innocent of the crime they were convicted of.It went on to state that > these convictions were obtained though a combination of official misconduct > by the prosecution and sloppy or deliberately engineered investigations by > the police. > > These cases from NY are interesting because I actually knew some of the cops > involved in the Westchester case. > > New York > > New York County > > The Central Park Five were five Harlem teens convicted of the 1989 assault > and rape of a jogger in New York's Central Park. They served their sentences > but afterwards their convictions were set aside in 2002 when DNA evidence > cleared them and another man confessed to the crime. > > Westchester County > > In 1998 Kian Daniel Khatibi was convicted of a double stabbing after > detectives from the Village of Pleasantville falsely claimed that the victims > had identified Kian as their attacker and then forwarded this false > information to the Westchester County District Attorney. In 2008, Kian was > released from prison as the truth unraveled and the conviction was overturned. > > Jeffrey Mark Deskovic was convicted of the 1989 of rape and murder of a high > school classmate and sentenced to 15 years-life in jail. He was exonerated in > 2006 when the DNA from the crime was matched to another person. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 17:58:03 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A25C4BC for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:58:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-x22e.google.com (mail-ie0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CC33495F for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:58:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iecrl12 with SMTP id rl12so1830779iec.4 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:58:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RJGFrnz8TzRX3YoC24moqdR1qCOXz3ttZ0o7pYfnUOc=; b=MxvRwYEBKEgOVRm6kx10WcuOaX3iUoCTY4Hw9Mps5ncYp7sSFvp8OOIfV5CjUv/To9 NPEVPMfQFlDcoAyBz59pD/vyU3bf6yxrf2O8mpCgvGOsVP4Z9uv2i3uSH3dAjO9p+oYX PMz4299vvsyr12zHN69vtaDh6tBIiNlVwmbWkz6aiIsm4zkZDG58+sAqhDhXtT7IygR8 RaWr02G1SfY4PZfy9ERy5cu8E4B74S5iwbdY5XTwdF+y8Zky83WkQGR8fvxGJO+MrQSk btUDn21ZS8HHmptJwbX0abfugelp/iNxiH+p/0JvVNmjXLS0kGn+Op1W7BwO5vLzKEQV mi8w== X-Received: by 10.42.13.193 with SMTP id e1mr7275255ica.59.1424368682261; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:58:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([2601:7:6c80:6f00::baff]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id n17sm1221304igi.2.2015.02.19.09.58.01 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:58:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54E62427.9080503@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:57:59 -0700 From: jd1008 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <54E3BEBA.1060801@gmail.com> <20150218183222.2d09d17f.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150218185708.47f7f805@archlinux> <20150218183815.GB26575@neutralgood.org> <20150218203703.5d260b53@archlinux> <20150219131527.ddda246b.freebsd@edvax.de> <54E615D9.6070600@gmail.com> <20150219122911.6dcda842@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20150219122911.6dcda842@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:58:03 -0000 On 02/19/2015 10:29 AM, Jerry wrote: > On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:56:57 -0700, jd1008 stated: > >> Desperately needed: >> >> Worldwide Mass Awakening to turn the table upside down. >> The current ultra wealthy ruling classes that control the >> world's money supply and the manipulation thereof, has to go. >> >> Sorry to say - it ain't happening any time soon. >> People like to sleep comfortably in the status quo. >> >> Frogs and crabs can be slowly boiled to death and will >> make no attempt to jump out of the cauldron. > Admit it, you are a Karl Mark disciple. I wouldn't doubt but that you have > copies of the The Communist Manifesto (1848) and Das Kapital (1867–1894) on > your bedside table. > WRONG! Carl Marx was part of the same group or people who instituted the Federal Reserve Monster that is accountable to no one, auditable by no one and obeys no one outside of itself!!! You see, how your mind works? Just my saying the people need to awaken, gets you to pronounce me a communist. How simple minded can you be? I hope and pray that you revise your post. I am for individuals awakening to their own sovereign status and be totally self ruling and doing no harm to anyone nor anything. Such individuals would love, respect and honour the sovereignty of each other. Such an awakened people would not need any governments and thugs at all. As I also implied, I will not hold my breath for such an awakening to take place any time soon. Ancient writings of India have spoken about such an age when people will live in such a state. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 18:02:06 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 714F363C for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 18:02:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-x22e.google.com (mail-ob0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32166A2C for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 18:02:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f174.google.com with SMTP id wo20so17193585obc.5 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:02:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Zj6C+IJnx3A21/oF0fmK3WKsPuC0a/SP6ccEAWFSeZ0=; b=qxYDI7bLp+pA+Fgl+2NaASANcjdtt2Hw6C4a7xJrbXTVmCtF7CuTBvSsi2q07UU1tQ 8vKlpHi09L9v8EfXkL2cCbnrVhUpJdYYsy0tDuI/KbaCzBy95TQKXiT/VSmelmsUQ4eQ qXHd15Rm8krgiqzuTaJpDLpfG+8m/fGTVnkN8rcfzM6KKZ8Al+H2SO62ZXn4bpxPvHyw XVpMtmdCrvpOYVuDB1onmP4nuVvv1OVQjfrco7HWLRFRz87rZhpUKcLHI52u9lNtDO1y ylxU8DYcvbxQWET/+fwHOrCFCEX4Cd9Z5CDCxc+6Sj6Eb6Votr2b8OOo28pQXi/IUnmA ET2w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.196.137 with SMTP id u131mr3559023oif.78.1424368925443; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:02:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.213.83 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:02:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:02:05 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: FreeBSD 10.1 Kernel Panic (DoS?) From: Dan Lists To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 18:02:06 -0000 I recently installed FreeBSD 10.1 on a server, and I am having frequent kernel panics. It looks like the problem is in the ipf code. Possibly in the handling of fragments. This could be a DoS. Some information from the core.txt is below. I have not included the entire thing as it is 25,000 lines. I would appreciate some help debugging this issue. I can provide additional information if necessary. Thanks in advance for your help! FreeBSD name.changed 10.1-RELEASE-p5 FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE-p5 #0: Tue Jan 27 04 Fatal trap 9: general protection fault while in kernel mode cpuid = 10; apic id = 34 instruction pointer = 0x20:0xffffffff80d22bc8 stack pointer = 0x28:0xfffffe00002ad5b0 frame pointer = 0x28:0xfffffe00002ad690 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, long 1, def32 0, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 12 (irq256: bce0) trap number = 9 panic: general protection fault cpuid = 10 KDB: stack backtrace: #0 0xffffffff80963000 at kdb_backtrace+0x60 #1 0xffffffff80928125 at panic+0x155 #2 0xffffffff80d24f1f at trap_fatal+0x38f #3 0xffffffff80d24b7c at trap+0x75c #4 0xffffffff80d0a782 at calltrap+0x8 #5 0xffffffff81a1e4f1 at ipf_frag_known+0x51 #6 0xffffffff81a37818 at ipf_check+0x308 #7 0xffffffff809f5324 at pfil_run_hooks+0x84 #8 0xffffffff80a5526e at ip_input+0x2fe #9 0xffffffff809f44e2 at netisr_dispatch_src+0x62 #10 0xffffffff809eb996 at ether_demux+0x126 #11 0xffffffff809ec63e at ether_nh_input+0x35e #12 0xffffffff809f44e2 at netisr_dispatch_src+0x62 #13 0xffffffff80485967 at bce_intr+0x6e7 #14 0xffffffff808faf4b at intr_event_execute_handlers+0xab #15 0xffffffff808fb396 at ithread_loop+0x96 #16 0xffffffff808f8b6a at fork_exit+0x9a #17 0xffffffff80d0acbe at fork_trampoline+0xe Uptime: 19h31m40s Dumping 1282 out of 16347 MB:..2%..12%..22%..32%..42%..52%..62%..72%..82%..92% Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/ipl.ko.symbols...done. Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/ipl.ko.symbols Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/ums.ko.symbols...done. Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/ums.ko.symbols Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/ipfw.ko.symbols...done. Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/ipfw.ko.symbols #0 doadump (textdump=) at pcpu.h:219 219 pcpu.h: No such file or directory. in pcpu.h (kgdb) #0 doadump (textdump=) at pcpu.h:219 #1 0xffffffff80927da2 in kern_reboot (howto=260) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c:452 #2 0xffffffff80928164 in panic (fmt=) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c:759 #3 0xffffffff80d24f1f in trap_fatal (frame=, eva=) at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/trap.c:865 #4 0xffffffff80d24b7c in trap (frame=) at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/trap.c:203 #5 0xffffffff80d0a782 in calltrap () at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/exception.S:232 #6 0xffffffff80d22bc8 in bcmp () at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/support.S:82 #7 0xffffffff81a1e2f2 in ipf_frag_lookup () at /usr/src/sys/modules/ipfilter/../../contrib/ipfilter/netinet/ip_frag.c:67 #8 0xffffffff81a1e4f1 in ipf_frag_known (fin=0xfffffe00002ad708, passp=0xfffffe00002ad704) at /usr/src/sys/modules/ipfilter/../../contrib/ipfilter/netinet/ip_frag.c:85 #9 0xffffffff81a37818 in ipf_check (ctx=0xffffffff81a57688, ip=, hlen=, ifp=, out=0, mp=0xfffffe00002ad868) at /usr/src/sys/modules/ipfilter/../../contrib/ipfilter/netinet/fil.c:3025 #10 0xffffffff809f5324 in pfil_run_hooks (ph=0xffffffff8164cef8, mp=0xfffffe00002ad8f0, ifp=0xfffff800085bb800, dir=1, inp=0x0) at /usr/src/sys/net/pfil.c:82 #11 0xffffffff80a5526e in ip_input (m=0xfffff8002b5dfd00) at /usr/src/sys/netinet/ip_input.c:488 #12 0xffffffff809f44e2 in netisr_dispatch_src (proto=, source=, m=0x1) at /usr/src/sys/net/netisr.c:972 #13 0xffffffff809eb996 in ether_demux (ifp=, m=0xfffff8002b5dfd00) at /usr/src/sys/net/if_ethersubr.c:851 #14 0xffffffff809ec63e in ether_nh_input (m=) at /usr/src/sys/net/if_ethersubr.c:646 #15 0xffffffff809f44e2 in netisr_dispatch_src (proto=, source=, m=0x1) at /usr/src/sys/net/netisr.c:972 #16 0xffffffff80485967 in bce_intr (xsc=0xfffffe0000e62000) at /usr/src/sys/dev/bce/if_bce.c:6828 #17 0xffffffff808faf4b in intr_event_execute_handlers ( p=, ie=0xfffff800085ea300) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_intr.c:1263 #18 0xffffffff808fb396 in ithread_loop (arg=0xfffff80008626940) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_intr.c:1276 #19 0xffffffff808f8b6a in fork_exit ( callout=0xffffffff808fb300 , arg=0xfffff80008626940, frame=0xfffffe00002adc00) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_fork.c:996 #20 0xffffffff80d0acbe in fork_trampoline () at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/exception.S:606 #21 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () Current language: auto; currently minimal From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 18:09:09 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05F78799 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 18:09:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE0F8A9D for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 18:09:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 76D58CB8C9C; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:09:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from 128.135.70.2 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:09:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <39515.128.135.70.2.1424369347.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <54E62427.9080503@gmail.com> References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <54E3BEBA.1060801@gmail.com> <20150218183222.2d09d17f.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150218185708.47f7f805@archlinux> <20150218183815.GB26575@neutralgood.org> <20150218203703.5d260b53@archlinux> <20150219131527.ddda246b.freebsd@edvax.de> <54E615D9.6070600@gmail.com> <20150219122911.6dcda842@scorpio> <54E62427.9080503@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:09:07 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "jd1008" Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 18:09:09 -0000 On Thu, February 19, 2015 11:57 am, jd1008 wrote: > > On 02/19/2015 10:29 AM, Jerry wrote: >> On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:56:57 -0700, jd1008 stated: >> >>> Desperately needed: >>> >>> Worldwide Mass Awakening to turn the table upside down. >>> The current ultra wealthy ruling classes that control the >>> world's money supply and the manipulation thereof, has to go. >>> >>> Sorry to say - it ain't happening any time soon. >>> People like to sleep comfortably in the status quo. >>> >>> Frogs and crabs can be slowly boiled to death and will >>> make no attempt to jump out of the cauldron. >> Admit it, you are a Karl Mark disciple. I wouldn't doubt but that you >> have >> copies of the The Communist Manifesto (1848) and Das Kapital >> (1867–1894) on >> your bedside table. >> > WRONG! > Carl Marx was part of the same group or people who instituted > the Federal Reserve Monster that is accountable to no one, auditable > by no one and obeys no one outside of itself!!! > > You see, how your mind works? > Just my saying the people need to awaken, gets you to > pronounce me a communist. How simple minded can you be? > > I hope and pray that you revise your post. > > I am for individuals awakening to their own sovereign status > and be totally self ruling and doing no harm to anyone nor anything. > Such individuals would love, respect and honour the sovereignty > of each other. > Such an awakened people would not need any governments > and thugs at all. As I also implied, I will not hold > my breath for such an awakening to take place any time soon. Alas, not having government is utopia either. The government is necessary for having common things done. Yet, knowing it is evil and will tend to grab under itself as much of power and control over people as it can, it has to be restricted. Alas, these things are contradictory, and the society ends up living in constant struggle of [good] people against government grabbing away their freedoms, people gradually losing small piece at a time... Valeri > > Ancient writings of India have spoken about such an age when > people will live in such a state. > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 18:58:56 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3115F74A for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 18:58:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.tridentusa.com (mail.tridentusa.com [96.225.19.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.tridentusa.com", Issuer "mail.tridentusa.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1B3AB1 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 18:58:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 97417 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2015 13:52:12 -0500 Received: from john-j (HELO ?172.16.0.90?) (jjohnstone@tridentusa.com@172.16.0.90) by mail.tridentusa.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2015 13:52:12 -0500 Message-ID: <54E630CA.3020909@tridentusa.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:51:54 -0500 From: John Johnstone User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Syslogd: remote logging saves to wrong file References: <20150214155552.3216c695@rsbsd.rsb> In-Reply-To: <20150214155552.3216c695@rsbsd.rsb> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 18:58:56 -0000 On 2/14/2015 8:55 AM, Beeblebrox wrote: > I'm trying once more to get remote logging to work properly. The > handbook states > (https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/configtuning-syslog.html): > > "On the log server, edit /etc/syslog.conf to specify > +192.168.2.n/24 > *.* /var/log/client1.log" > > This does not work however, and all client logs are being saved to > host's own /var/log/messages instead of the per client logfile > specified in syslog.conf. > > Host syslogd is started with the (-a) flag, so there's no problem with > listening. I used the syntax described in the handbook such as: +logclient.example.com *.* /var/log/logclient.log followed by -logclient.example.com I had to include `-logclient.example.com' to exclude the logclient messages from the host's messages file. These lines had to be placed in syslog.conf ahead of the rest of the specifications there. My logclient logging did go in logclient.log though. It is strange that the client messages are obvious being seen since they're being put in the host's messages file. Per the handbook I used the -d and -v syslogd options when I was working on this. - John J. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 19:02:23 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F307854 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 19:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee (kuller.raad.tartu.ee [213.184.43.8]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 12E2818D for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 19:02:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id A32C43987B for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 20:52:52 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at post.raad.tartu.ee Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee ([127.0.0.1]) by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (kuller.raad.tartu.ee [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id M2cLru__4ANA for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 20:52:47 +0200 (EET) Received: by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (Postfix, from userid 80) id 48D5D39858; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 20:52:47 +0200 (EET) Received: from 76-20-190-90.dyn.estpak.ee (76-20-190-90.dyn.estpak.ee [90.190.20.76]) by webmail.raad.tartu.ee (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 20:52:47 +0200 Message-ID: <20150219205247.17861nw45qwx2t6s@webmail.raad.tartu.ee> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 20:52:47 +0200 From: Toomas Aas To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Graphical Linux app on FreeBSD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.7) X-Originating-IP: 90.190.20.76 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 19:02:23 -0000 Hello! I am trying to run a Linux binary on my FreeBSD system using the Linux compatibility layer. This is a GUI application. I tried to run it as regular user and as root, but each time I encounter different error message: $ ./the_linux_binary XOpenIM() failed Abort (core dumped) $ su Password: root@mypc:/home/toomas/tmp # ./the_linux_binary No protocol specified Can't open display: :0.0 Is there any hope to get such application running? Relevant system info follows. $ grep COMPAT MYKERNEL options COMPAT_LINUX32 options COMPAT_43 options COMPAT_FREEBSD32 $ uname -a FreeBSD mypc.lan 9.3-STABLE FreeBSD 9.3-STABLE #0 r278030: Sun Feb 1 21:19:50 EET 2015 toomas@mypc.lan:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MYKERNEL amd64 $ sysctl compat.linux.osrelease compat.linux.osrelease: 2.6.18 $ pkg info -a | grep linux linux-c6-expat-2.0.1_1 linux-c6-fontconfig-2.8.0_1 linux-c6-xorg-libs-7.4_1 linux_base-c6-6.6 $ file the_linux_binary the_linux_binary: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (GNU/Linux), statically linked, stripped -- Toomas Aas From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 20:13:50 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75DBC1E4; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 20:13:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sdf.org (ma.sdf.org [192.94.73.31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "ma.sdf.org", Issuer "ma.sdf.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5659CC11; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 20:13:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ma.sdf.org (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/XM8YSGAQraeRN7NYaimrJZiPLksla+H0@ma.sdf.org [192.94.73.31]) by sdf.org (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id t1JKDeHu005128; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 20:13:40 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:13:40 -0600 From: cpet To: Toomas Aas Subject: Re: Graphical Linux app on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20150219205247.17861nw45qwx2t6s@webmail.raad.tartu.ee> References: <20150219205247.17861nw45qwx2t6s@webmail.raad.tartu.ee> Message-ID: X-Sender: cpet@sdf.org User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.0.1 Cc: questions@freebsd.org, owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 20:13:50 -0000 On 2015-02-19 12:52, Toomas Aas wrote: > Hello! > > I am trying to run a Linux binary on my FreeBSD system using the Linux > compatibility layer. This is a GUI application. I tried to run it as > regular user and as root, but each time I encounter different error > message: > > $ ./the_linux_binary > XOpenIM() failed > Abort (core dumped) > $ su > Password: > root@mypc:/home/toomas/tmp # ./the_linux_binary > No protocol specified > Can't open display: :0.0 > > Is there any hope to get such application running? > > Relevant system info follows. > > $ grep COMPAT MYKERNEL > options COMPAT_LINUX32 > options COMPAT_43 > options COMPAT_FREEBSD32 > > $ uname -a > FreeBSD mypc.lan 9.3-STABLE FreeBSD 9.3-STABLE #0 r278030: Sun Feb 1 > 21:19:50 EET 2015 toomas@mypc.lan:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MYKERNEL > amd64 > > $ sysctl compat.linux.osrelease > compat.linux.osrelease: 2.6.18 > > $ pkg info -a | grep linux > linux-c6-expat-2.0.1_1 > linux-c6-fontconfig-2.8.0_1 > linux-c6-xorg-libs-7.4_1 > linux_base-c6-6.6 > > $ file the_linux_binary > the_linux_binary: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 > (GNU/Linux), statically linked, stripped Are people scared to specify the name of the app? the sys requirements for said app? all this is useless basically. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 20:16:46 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A513F44C for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 20:16:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee (kuller.raad.tartu.ee [213.184.43.8]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 58A05C48 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 20:16:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id F239C39845 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 22:16:43 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at post.raad.tartu.ee Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee ([127.0.0.1]) by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (kuller.raad.tartu.ee [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id h5OYCUo0h0BN for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 22:16:39 +0200 (EET) Received: by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (Postfix, from userid 80) id 90B5D39828; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 22:16:38 +0200 (EET) Received: from 76-20-190-90.dyn.estpak.ee (76-20-190-90.dyn.estpak.ee [90.190.20.76]) by webmail.raad.tartu.ee (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 22:16:38 +0200 Message-ID: <20150219221638.46103bl5gd4u5ke8@webmail.raad.tartu.ee> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 22:16:38 +0200 From: Toomas Aas To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: bsdtar and ACLs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.7) X-Originating-IP: 90.190.20.76 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 20:16:46 -0000 Hello! I was under impression that bsdtar should, by default, preserve filesystem ACLs. However, this is not the case here, as seen by the following test. What am I missing? # touch testfile.txt # setfacl -m u:user2:rwx testfile.txt # getfacl testfile.txt # file: testfile.txt # owner: root # group: users user::rw- user:user2:rwx group::rw- mask::rwx other::r-- # ls -l testfile.txt -rw-rwxr--+ 1 root users 0 Feb 19 22:07 testfile.txt # tar cvf testfile.tar testfile.txt a testfile.txt # rm testfile.txt # tar xvf testfile.tar x testfile.txt # ls -l testfile.txt -rw-rwxr-- 1 root users 0 Feb 19 22:07 testfile.txt # getfacl testfile.txt # file: testfile.txt # owner: root # group: users user::rw- group::rwx other::r-- # uname -a FreeBSD hostname.tld 10.1-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE-p4 #0 r277235: Mon Jan 19 21:37:54 EET 2015 toomas@hostname.tld:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SPUTNIK amd64 # tar --version bsdtar 3.1.2 - libarchive 3.1.2 -- Toomas Aas From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 20:25:37 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D109775B; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 20:25:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sdf.org (ma.sdf.org [192.94.73.31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "ma.sdf.org", Issuer "ma.sdf.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1E28D2D; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 20:25:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ma.sdf.org (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/pjkEOKq/K9wbw/ViNoQwbHev6f1UOe8A@ma.sdf.org [192.94.73.31]) by sdf.org (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id t1JKPZig026105; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 20:25:35 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:25:35 -0600 From: cpet To: Toomas Aas Subject: Re: bsdtar and ACLs In-Reply-To: <20150219221638.46103bl5gd4u5ke8@webmail.raad.tartu.ee> References: <20150219221638.46103bl5gd4u5ke8@webmail.raad.tartu.ee> Message-ID: <25ef6fd92141832ffb3658e79411d99f@sdf.org> X-Sender: cpet@sdf.org User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.0.1 Cc: questions@freebsd.org, owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 20:25:37 -0000 On 2015-02-19 14:16, Toomas Aas wrote: > Hello! > > I was under impression that bsdtar should, by default, preserve > filesystem ACLs. However, this is not the case here, as seen by the > following test. What am I missing? > > # touch testfile.txt > # setfacl -m u:user2:rwx testfile.txt > # getfacl testfile.txt > # file: testfile.txt > # owner: root > # group: users > user::rw- > user:user2:rwx > group::rw- > mask::rwx > other::r-- > # ls -l testfile.txt > -rw-rwxr--+ 1 root users 0 Feb 19 22:07 testfile.txt > # tar cvf testfile.tar testfile.txt > a testfile.txt > # rm testfile.txt > # tar xvf testfile.tar > x testfile.txt > # ls -l testfile.txt > -rw-rwxr-- 1 root users 0 Feb 19 22:07 testfile.txt > # getfacl testfile.txt > # file: testfile.txt > # owner: root > # group: users > user::rw- > group::rwx > other::r-- > # uname -a > FreeBSD hostname.tld 10.1-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE-p4 #0 > r277235: Mon Jan 19 21:37:54 EET 2015 > toomas@hostname.tld:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SPUTNIK amd64 > # tar --version > bsdtar 3.1.2 - libarchive 3.1.2 -p, --insecure, --preserve-permissions (x mode only) Preserve file permissions. Attempt to restore the full permissions, including owner, file modes, file flags and ACLs, if available, for each item extracted from the archive. This is the default, if tar is being run by root and can be over- ridden by also specifying --no-same-owner and --no-same-permissions. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 20:31:32 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 647E7884; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 20:31:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee (kuller.raad.tartu.ee [213.184.43.8]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 166DEE11; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 20:31:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E2373983A; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 22:31:29 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at post.raad.tartu.ee Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee ([127.0.0.1]) by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (kuller.raad.tartu.ee [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id LV401Ypa6D_e; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 22:31:25 +0200 (EET) Received: by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (Postfix, from userid 80) id 984153982A; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 22:31:24 +0200 (EET) Received: from 76-20-190-90.dyn.estpak.ee (76-20-190-90.dyn.estpak.ee [90.190.20.76]) by webmail.raad.tartu.ee (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 22:31:24 +0200 Message-ID: <20150219223124.12633kdmhkp24kqo@webmail.raad.tartu.ee> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 22:31:24 +0200 From: Toomas Aas To: cpet Subject: Re: bsdtar and ACLs References: <20150219221638.46103bl5gd4u5ke8@webmail.raad.tartu.ee> <25ef6fd92141832ffb3658e79411d99f@sdf.org> In-Reply-To: <25ef6fd92141832ffb3658e79411d99f@sdf.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.7) X-Originating-IP: 90.190.20.76 Cc: questions@freebsd.org, owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 20:31:32 -0000 On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 cpet wrote: > > -p, --insecure, --preserve-permissions > (x mode only) Preserve file permissions. Attempt to restore the > full permissions, including owner, file modes, file flags and > ACLs, if available, for each item extracted from the archive. > This is the default, if tar is being run by root and can be over- > ridden by also specifying --no-same-owner and > --no-same-permissions. As I *was* running tar as root, I assumed that -p is default. Adding it explicitly to the command line did not change the situation. -- Toomas Aas From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 21:35:25 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E7BD797 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 21:35:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DD477A2 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 21:35:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-19-54.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.19.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id t1JLWNgu027975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:32:23 -0600 Message-ID: <54E657DE.2070406@hiwaay.net> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:38:38 -0600 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD FreeBSD Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <20150218173047.GA53030@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20150218184227.GC26575@neutralgood.org> <20150219132221.b5d14e68.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150219081839.1a4c0359@scorpio> <54E61796.4060306@gmail.com> <20150219122446.4ff6982f@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20150219122446.4ff6982f@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 21:35:25 -0000 On 02/19/15 11:24, Jerry wrote: > On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:04:22 -0700, jd1008 stated: > >> What a pile of manure. >> Any decent and intelligent lawyer could appeal such >> cased and have the conviction thrown out of court - >> this, assuming that our court systems and judges are >> actually fully beholden to the constitution and the rule >> of law, and due process. > Just two cases in point: > > Los Angeles County > > Francisco "Franky" Carrillo was convicted of the 1991 murder of Donald Sarpy > and sentenced to life in jail. His conviction was reversed by the Los Angeles > County Superior Court on March 14, 2011, after he had served twenty years in > prison. > > Geronimo Pratt, a Black Panther leader, was convicted in 1972 of the 1968 > murder of a white school teacher and sentenced to life in jail. He was > exonerated in 1997. > > There are literally 100's of cases that are sometimes corrected after 20+ > years. Is 20+ years your idea of success? By the way, this is my number 1 > argument against the death penalty. Correct me if I am wrong, but they have > not discovered how to reanimate a corpse yet have they? > > It was reported, and I forgot what agency did the study, that not less than > 2% and not more than 7% of all incarcerated men and women in the US are > totally innocent of the crime they were convicted of.It went on to state that > these convictions were obtained though a combination of official misconduct > by the prosecution and sloppy or deliberately engineered investigations by > the police. > > These cases from NY are interesting because I actually knew some of the cops > involved in the Westchester case. > > New York > > New York County > > The Central Park Five were five Harlem teens convicted of the 1989 assault > and rape of a jogger in New York's Central Park. They served their sentences > but afterwards their convictions were set aside in 2002 when DNA evidence > cleared them and another man confessed to the crime. > > Westchester County > > In 1998 Kian Daniel Khatibi was convicted of a double stabbing after > detectives from the Village of Pleasantville falsely claimed that the victims > had identified Kian as their attacker and then forwarded this false > information to the Westchester County District Attorney. In 2008, Kian was > released from prison as the truth unraveled and the conviction was overturned. > > Jeffrey Mark Deskovic was convicted of the 1989 of rape and murder of a high > school classmate and sentenced to 15 years-life in jail. He was exonerated in > 2006 when the DNA from the crime was matched to another person. Yeah, & OJ Simpson was freed .... Your point is ? Any human endeavor will be fraught w/ human shortcomings, but the system in the USA is the best thing going, in spite of the current administration, has been for 200+ years. One can always cite individual foulups, but extrapolating those to the general case is flawed logic. That '2 - 7 %' number sounds like B.S. to me, when you look at all the scum-bags who get off, rich (John Gotti, twice, 'Fast Eddie' Edwards (Gov.(D) of La. in the '80's), also twice) & poor. The USA justice system is designed to err on the side of letting scoundrels off rather than jailing innocents .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 23:44:09 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9ADF4FC4 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 23:44:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm9-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm9-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.102]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57BEF7F8 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 23:44:08 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1424389263; bh=CAfMVrq8HbEkZx1BtDSvsS5t7a48DlpQdGAlXoqKlME=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:From:Subject; b=cMBjyv9vDnMbwBAM+43d3trHBgJ6FFM8zVRhoqcsxyqIYB1oIX1KL0IQRfYIPSfsKWkxhrpwtnNBea61OygHSk+CNcMdFuVmJRHCtNEg0fcelxpd31AaCMW9nWVqkh3mqNCEB31StHocPJ/ecdwHnCfRW9KdneKf7d9ieem5Xm0R621ptnikvlhWTPIg+CRT70xt+NC7q8DvOVO8NAMfw84PDpYpcLtQICqdSZX/GJBijzfhSKcGvULLcXmjiwlqP3seDb9MGjdAWE8pG0WFWtIldak3+v4FqwKrApOWO+e1uC7tmO6bN2VKrGIQXOiRlTR9mVVqb47lrSOpVIsu/A== Received: from [98.138.101.132] by nm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2015 23:41:03 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.175] by tm20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2015 23:41:03 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1031.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2015 23:41:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 185477.88922.bm@omp1031.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: 0OPge2QVM1noNta6huH.yhaHiQ.J4oxXWPNV861xDf9byL0pCLGoYIGqvHGdLvy SsC75lpzUvSeuedImUumbDDeHl0xm0neLOKjskS.SinjYimXDhAsr_aku0M_ADZ_MuSDJs.5veHH joSGtGI5swc3UcRq9aMG9hgGZgieT9GihXWJjp1WHDjnUFyRpKeQDjSTxfqRy8.x9ZKEPlnfhCP7 .Q7JlrsPvYYX0dmlnMD6c9vzyn_.i7XK_y7b2OaVtzTzzwrcUwswTBNqjTUOmcYm_lG7WldEqw1b gnDU4.F.cnwJGrswmWSC0r50_Ma_cKUmrbEpLIFPrYXYqI9HT2Dw8qqEY4SJ4DxmC0NwQUB_eT8W xxK_qdQHhScjxjVUGi0z.4MKlGhMvIJv55SdO93FsP9O1RDWAfyxvYGXjPmEjJeBEMTBv9z2q712 9tuRcytPsPtnLjWI6E001X23TreRkvcarpXaS7__wwpln4kY6jPzMp3jeocQGezeMNsSDrcuxMPs YZA-- Received: by 98.138.105.209; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 23:41:02 +0000 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 23:41:02 +0000 (UTC) From: gahn Reply-To: gahn To: Freebsd General Questions Message-ID: <491203554.2184695.1424389262444.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Subject: bsdconfig not able to get packages from ftp server MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 23:44:09 -0000 hi all: i am trying install packages with bsdconfig on freebsd 10.1 and stuck at message: Attempting to update repository catalogue from selected media i checked my dns and it works fine. could any gurus here know what is happening? thanks. _dave From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 20 00:01:20 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB4E962B; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 00:01:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sdf.org (ma.sdf.org [192.94.73.31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "ma.sdf.org", Issuer "ma.sdf.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB0DCA19; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 00:01:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ma.sdf.org (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX18Y6W63F+mgyzetiMUGtQEY3PkiLDe6+H4@ma.sdf.org [192.94.73.31]) by sdf.org (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id t1K01J8H016904; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 00:01:19 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 18:01:19 -0600 From: cpet To: gahn Subject: Re: bsdconfig not able to get packages from ftp server In-Reply-To: <491203554.2184695.1424389262444.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <491203554.2184695.1424389262444.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: X-Sender: cpet@sdf.org User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.0.1 Cc: Freebsd General Questions , owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 00:01:20 -0000 On 2015-02-19 17:41, gahn via freebsd-questions wrote: > hi all: > i am trying install packages with bsdconfig on freebsd 10.1 and stuck > at message: > Attempting to update repository catalogue from selected media > i checked my dns and it works fine. > > could any gurus here know what is happening? > thanks. > _dave > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Copy paste exact error? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 20 01:28:15 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9905953A for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 01:28:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from na3sys009aog138.obsmtp.com (na3sys009aog138.obsmtp.com [74.125.149.19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4260A3A7 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 01:28:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f170.google.com ([209.85.214.170]) (using TLSv1) by na3sys009aob138.postini.com ([74.125.148.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKVOaNrQBOI4zZeDq5lSltbK3fFXfBiPa+@postini.com; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:28:15 PST Received: by mail-ob0-f170.google.com with SMTP id va2so21490255obc.1 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:28:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sourcefire.com; s=google; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=7oXzM1RSw4S9kGfnnBY5mkDA1smSMOi3S8/iFp3W58s=; b=S7IKFdNnWidgKlPFTXCo8odhMoDPLX8Nog7aeDEoqIzzGE11xYFaN9vV1qi0anthmg qmuJ7ZUqNxgupBj7bvwmf+jF+2F/9B5qAcVw1Iz8jS8abwvIY+YnF9yWrcks5rB5eyS1 xe7kKG70SECFIzeg6LVMz4NP35AEQOtvmTPjk= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=7oXzM1RSw4S9kGfnnBY5mkDA1smSMOi3S8/iFp3W58s=; b=H6L3Lb4HuIeLWuUwn2p9krUZwMTAz8rOVKLDTRpDvcgMjPs0jxyK9YX+g78ADayx0P Q5Symp1YMRsxOliPUGQk5zdn4m/CYoV/GBqwMG2yMnmisN/zkKo/ITsy3zpxxVPwQH/N WYShKNSSwO6TCyUF41RClbggVzxQOikLpjYAdQAK8SkLmwB8jY+wfZ+EaNg7VeNzHsdm 8mQOo0YwQ6BnoQINaSmFZf6hacuUx3qxZfq93o3gAienPRSeWippB/qOfC3T/BpmSTgv P/dt2DlOdoRyK5qDJ3Es5Er9zDpBswxR2VNYMTakF7UljGJe2A+HDAZwLKoarLyzzU9B +J9A== X-Received: by 10.202.215.212 with SMTP id o203mr2864819oig.85.1424356490349; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:34:50 -0800 (PST) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkAqsKoY2NOONJNzY7OsZoOBH5MszIcLLjpwDVavpqFlLSXbBKIowk27CTD19YpJmEspBeTO5eof4CNNwTi5NxhYtE3j3JveiMhJeDqwYRUeDD9S4+ftSHs6mwl5gJYZi2Fb3yAtRHa97GbYZX7Am9tyvwNwg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.215.212 with SMTP id o203mr2864815oig.85.1424356490283; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:34:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.108.148 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:34:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:34:50 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: What's the latest release from freebsd-update? From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 01:28:15 -0000 I want to write a check to let us know if a given server is on the latest version. For example, how can I determine that FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p5 is the latest and greatest? I could run freebsd-update and see what comes back, but that's not ideal for a Nagios check. This output seems promising: $ sysctl kern.version kern.version: FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p5 #0: Mon Nov 3 22:38:58 UTC 2014 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC Let's assume we use that as the check for the host. What do we compare it to? Where can I find out that 9.3-RELEASE-p6 is available? -- Dan Langille Infrastructure & Operations Talos Group Sourcefire, Inc. 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[173.73.139.83]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id k17sm15254260qab.1.2015.02.19.18.33.56 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 19 Feb 2015 18:33:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54E69D13.7000200@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 21:33:55 -0500 From: zep User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Graphical Linux app on FreeBSD References: <20150219205247.17861nw45qwx2t6s@webmail.raad.tartu.ee> In-Reply-To: <20150219205247.17861nw45qwx2t6s@webmail.raad.tartu.ee> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 02:33:58 -0000 On 02/19/2015 01:52 PM, Toomas Aas wrote: > Hello! > > I am trying to run a Linux binary on my FreeBSD system using the Linux > compatibility layer. This is a GUI application. I tried to run it as > regular user and as root, but each time I encounter different error > message: > > $ ./the_linux_binary > XOpenIM() failed I'd suggest getting strace (or truss, or whatever the right system call tracing utility should be used) on the binary and see what/where it's actually failing. > Abort (core dumped) > $ su > Password: > root@mypc:/home/toomas/tmp # ./the_linux_binary > No protocol specified > Can't open display: :0.0 clearly this is a display problem; you could do something like setup ssh keys to allow root (or live more dangerously and login directly as root) and use ssh -X to have the display set [or dig into what you'd need to do to open up your xwindow security - e.g. xhost + before su] I dunno about the rest of what you're trying show, just a couple suggestions for finding more places to dig in/work around your existing woes. --=20 public gpg key id: AE60F64C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 20 03:57:55 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EAEC5441 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 03:57:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA90C88F for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 03:57:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-149-162.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.149.162]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75CB83CCFE; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 04:57:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t1K3vfBx002188; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 04:57:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 04:57:40 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Toomas Aas Subject: Re: Graphical Linux app on FreeBSD Message-Id: <20150220045740.214a6cea.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150219205247.17861nw45qwx2t6s@webmail.raad.tartu.ee> References: <20150219205247.17861nw45qwx2t6s@webmail.raad.tartu.ee> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 03:57:56 -0000 On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 20:52:47 +0200, Toomas Aas wrote: > I am trying to run a Linux binary on my FreeBSD system using the Linux > compatibility layer. This is a GUI application. I tried to run it as > regular user and as root, but each time I encounter different error > message: > > $ ./the_linux_binary > XOpenIM() failed > Abort (core dumped) Try to run "truss " to get more details. Maybe this program needs Linux procfs? In that case, add the required line to /etc/fstab. If the program also needs additional Linux libraries, you'd have to install them to /compat/linux. Note that if you've installed the program from the ports collection, those tasks should have been performed automatically. If that's some "3rd party stuff", you need to fulfill the requirements manually. > $ su > Password: > root@mypc:/home/toomas/tmp # ./the_linux_binary > No protocol specified > Can't open display: :0.0 That's normal. You have to set $DISPLAY if a program run by root should be able to access the X server, for example "setenv DISPLAY :0.0" should be sufficient. But running something as root usually doesn't help here. :-) > Is there any hope to get such application running? What kind of application is that? Can you be specific? > Relevant system info follows. > > $ grep COMPAT MYKERNEL > options COMPAT_LINUX32 > > $ uname -a > FreeBSD mypc.lan 9.3-STABLE FreeBSD 9.3-STABLE #0 r278030: Sun Feb 1 > 21:19:50 EET 2015 toomas@mypc.lan:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MYKERNEL > amd64 > [...] > $ file the_linux_binary > the_linux_binary: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 > (GNU/Linux), statically linked, stripped You're running a 64 bit kernel. Is there a known problem for running Linux binaries of 32 bit in that constellation? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 20 04:25:41 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B135871 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 04:25:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6533DB40 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 04:25:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-76-241.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.76.241]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id t1K4PcRN017589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 22:25:39 -0600 Message-ID: <54E6B8B9.1060204@hiwaay.net> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 22:31:53 -0600 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's the latest release from freebsd-update? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 04:25:41 -0000 On 02/19/15 08:34, Dan Langille wrote: > I want to write a check to let us know if a given server is on the latest > version. > > For example, how can I determine that FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p5 is the latest > and greatest? > > I could run freebsd-update and see what comes back, but that's not ideal > for a Nagios check. > > This output seems promising: > > $ sysctl kern.version > kern.version: FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p5 #0: Mon Nov 3 22:38:58 UTC 2014 > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC > > Let's assume we use that as the check for the host. > > What do we compare it to? Where can I find out that 9.3-RELEASE-p6 is > available? I'm running 9.3 (FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p5) as well, & I have noticed posts going by onlist referencing 9.3-RELEASE-p9 (I think, might have been 8), although that is little help to you. You & I are several months back from today, probably safe to assume something newer is available. The bottom of https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html talks about comparing system versions. If you do a 'freebsd-update fetch' followed by a 'freebsd-update install' you will be updated to the latest & greatest patch level, but I'm not sure there is a way of checking that level apriori .... $0.02, no more, no less .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 20 04:30:29 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 17EBA941 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 04:30:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee (kuller.raad.tartu.ee [213.184.43.8]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF244B79 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 04:30:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D3339858; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 06:30:25 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at post.raad.tartu.ee Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee ([127.0.0.1]) by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (kuller.raad.tartu.ee [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id hy9pYPqVU41q; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 06:30:20 +0200 (EET) Received: by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (Postfix, from userid 80) id B281239825; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 06:30:19 +0200 (EET) Received: from 76-20-190-90.dyn.estpak.ee (76-20-190-90.dyn.estpak.ee [90.190.20.76]) by webmail.raad.tartu.ee (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 06:30:19 +0200 Message-ID: <20150220063019.69984nafkquevj0g@webmail.raad.tartu.ee> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 06:30:19 +0200 From: Toomas Aas To: Polytropon Subject: Re: Graphical Linux app on FreeBSD References: <20150219205247.17861nw45qwx2t6s@webmail.raad.tartu.ee> <20150220045740.214a6cea.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150220045740.214a6cea.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.7) X-Originating-IP: 90.190.20.76 Cc: questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 04:30:29 -0000 On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 Polytropon wrote: > > Try to run "truss " to get more details. > Maybe this program needs Linux procfs? In that case, > add the required line to /etc/fstab. Thanks for the idea. Running truss, I could see that linprocfs was indeed needed. After mounting that, I could successfully run the app. > Note that if you've installed the program from the > ports collection, those tasks should have been performed > automatically. If that's some "3rd party stuff", you > need to fulfill the requirements manually. I apologize for not giving any details about the app itself in my initial mail. I just didn't think it would be very helpful in this case. It's not something from ports, it is a rather specific app which is of interest only in my home country, and only during a week before elections. It is an electronic voting app that allows me to participate in elections from my home, using government-issued smart card. -- Toomas Aas From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 20 08:29:02 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED36B32C for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 08:29:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-x232.google.com (mail-wi0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79AD468B for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 08:29:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f178.google.com with SMTP id em10so1241308wid.5 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 00:29:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=k1dGkOIr1LZ+XwzHmBw7WIrhvBgyNfou78FyLj0SN7U=; b=gWFsZaV9LJgKGD7q9jXxT3LMWSx8yokENhn2vgZL51OVWeMEiy8iTaA8vs/vzlie6K AH19+QlkUjrQXyWarLTGk+5XKUMyW/v9ujlG3vH/C/JPHYnnIed/4xZUydTB72C8WcEP dt+PEFephQvuYM6rUFZ20449D7Z2eN89bFEd6fV+Q13KAH+e77uZ8uQ1hK2JU58t7Y1s 5gnG9z7ku7i1u8/v+FZ9rCFHPce2VUbvoh7pGR8bSrjaJH78idCCY17MsUF0uzV7aQAi Yh4LyDA5XE52+CsJjC4XASVuPk5ZVfxe8Bvn3Y/Q6NI9phbDlZKdkvOJExpsUKId0rY4 h2PQ== X-Received: by 10.180.207.6 with SMTP id ls6mr3530596wic.13.1424420939912; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 00:28:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.145] (static-228-200-167-83.thenetworkfactory.nl. [83.167.200.228]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id qb8sm34863583wjc.4.2015.02.20.00.28.59 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 20 Feb 2015 00:28:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54E6F04A.5080409@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 09:28:58 +0100 From: Johan Hendriks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: joh.hendriks@gmail.com Subject: Re: What's the latest release from freebsd-update? References: <54E6B8B9.1060204@hiwaay.net> In-Reply-To: <54E6B8B9.1060204@hiwaay.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 08:29:02 -0000 Op 20-02-15 om 05:31 schreef William A. Mahaffey III: > On 02/19/15 08:34, Dan Langille wrote: >> I want to write a check to let us know if a given server is on the >> latest >> version. >> >> For example, how can I determine that FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p5 is the >> latest >> and greatest? >> >> I could run freebsd-update and see what comes back, but that's not ideal >> for a Nagios check. >> >> This output seems promising: >> >> $ sysctl kern.version >> kern.version: FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p5 #0: Mon Nov 3 22:38:58 UTC 2014 >> root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC >> >> Let's assume we use that as the check for the host. >> >> What do we compare it to? Where can I find out that 9.3-RELEASE-p6 is >> available? > > > I'm running 9.3 (FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p5) as well, & I have noticed > posts going by onlist referencing 9.3-RELEASE-p9 (I think, might have > been 8), although that is little help to you. You & I are several > months back from today, probably safe to assume something newer is > available. The bottom of > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html > talks about comparing system versions. If you do a 'freebsd-update > fetch' followed by a 'freebsd-update install' you will be updated to > the latest & greatest patch level, but I'm not sure there is a way of > checking that level apriori .... $0.02, no more, no less .... > Go to the website www.freebsd.org, on the right site there is a colum security advisories click on the latest, and it will show you the latest patch level of all versions. Like the example below, the advisory for sctp. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 ============================================================================= FreeBSD-SA-15:03.sctp Security Advisory The FreeBSD Project Topic: SCTP stream reset vulnerability Category: core Module: sctp Announced: 2015-01-27 Credits: Gerasimos Dimitriadis Affects: All supported versions of FreeBSD. Corrected: 2015-01-27 19:36:08 UTC (stable/10, 10.1-STABLE) 2015-01-27 19:37:02 UTC (releng/10.1, 10.1-RELEASE-p5) 2015-01-27 19:37:02 UTC (releng/10.0, 10.0-RELEASE-p17) 2015-01-27 19:36:08 UTC (stable/9, 9.3-STABLE) 2015-01-27 19:37:02 UTC (releng/9.3, 9.3-RELEASE-p9) 2015-01-27 19:36:08 UTC (stable/8, 8.4-STABLE) 2015-01-27 19:37:02 UTC (releng/8.4, 8.4-RELEASE-p23) CVE Name: CVE-2014-8613 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 20 13:32:39 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF0C0977 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 13:32:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sdf.org (ma.sdf.org [192.94.73.31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "ma.sdf.org", Issuer "ma.sdf.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AAB2FAC9 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 13:32:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ma.sdf.org (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/+vwdcnn+sXxM6UzUlTkepoto9+uM9oCo@ma.sdf.org [192.94.73.31]) by sdf.org (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id t1KDWbvO031806 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 13:32:37 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 07:32:37 -0600 From: cpet To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: redports Message-ID: X-Sender: cpet@sdf.org User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.0.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 13:32:40 -0000 What is the status of redports ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 20 13:42:16 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FF46EC0; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 13:42:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from d2ux.org (static.140.151.9.5.clients.your-server.de [5.9.151.140]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF256C5D; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 13:42:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from d2ux.org (unknown [10.0.0.4]) by d2ux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 634F41FE339; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 14:35:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from d2ux.org ([10.0.0.4]) by d2ux.org (d2ux.org [10.0.0.4]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9t567G_QIsUQ; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 14:35:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.d2ux.org (unknown [10.0.0.7]) by d2ux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 223701FD72D; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 14:35:33 +0100 (CET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 14:35:33 +0100 From: Matthias Petermann To: freebsd-python@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Questions about packaging Python modules in Ports Collection Message-ID: <3c81f98fe02d3047ca3ddf3ced1dcf1f@mail.d2ux.org> X-Sender: matthias@petermann-it.de User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.0.5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 13:42:16 -0000 Hello, I am maintaining the Tryton ports for FreeBSD and am about to prepare the update from 2.8 to 3.4. Because I think there is some potential to improve, I would like to address some questions and ask for advice from the FreeBSD Python community. First, please allow me to give you some background. Tryton consists of a framework (client and server component), as well as a large number (67) of functional modules that add business domain functionality to the framework. All this modules together make up a comprehensive ERP solution. If one wants to use only a subset from them, the framework allows to enable / disable them on the fly, even if they all are installed. The framework components are located in: /usr/ports/finance/tryton28 (client) /usr/ports/finance/trytond28 (server) and most of the functional modules in: /usr/ports/finance/trytond28_* For each of the functional modules there is a separate port provided, utilizing distutils and autoplist. This works good, but I think of the following potential issues: I) Looking on this with a users eye, it doesn't make too much sense to install only a subset of the modules. Some don't even provide standalone functionality but only provide dependencies to other modules. So most users likely want to install the complete set of Tryton modules and turn them on / off in the frameworks configuration later. II) Supporting multiple Tryton versions at the same time. The Tryton project does a very good job in providing security fixes for legacy releases for a quite long period. From a users point of view it is desirable to have the versions introduced to Ports Collection supported until their upstream EOL. This is required to not force anyone to upgrade to the newest version each, because this is not always possible when running this in production. On the other hand, having at least the newest version available in the ports is required to keep FreeBSD attractive as the platform for new Tryton users. What do you think on the following? 1) Is the large number of separate modules in the sense of the principles of the ports collection? My observations is that this blows up the directory pretty much. 2) Is the statement II) valid or do I overestimate the needs of the typical FreeBSD user base? 3) Is it technically possible to bundle multiple distutils python modules into one port? Is there a good example you know? 4) With regards to I), is it suggested to keep the functional modules as separate ports, or should I apply 3) if technically possible? 5) In ports collection, is it allowed in a port to reference a (common) Makefile of another port? I have seen in NetBSDs pkgsrc for the Tryton port, they source common stuff like the version number of Tryton from a common Makefile: For example, this modules Makefile: http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/current/pkgsrc/finance/py-trytond-account/Makefile uses this: http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/current/pkgsrc/devel/py-trytond/Makefile.common I'll be thankful for any hint and comments. Thanks in advance & kind regards, Matthias From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 20 14:22:46 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E98B7991 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 14:22:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm7-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm7-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.155]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABB4D145 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 14:22:46 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1424441835; bh=wpIbYXpNMMtjbUUQwaA1RrC/YOipDTHpKNJGnLURwHo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=CqlyEX478+/5AxnQlaxKwx5kKXJmJlV7eoIVnfXj9gWB6dbYZXfH0Kgk2MD9tSZ/hULo9Q6ukxEwAWlFr8tIl6Tbc7WxJ71dunFN3jLMPcjShgUf2AoRZyWMf1cdeBaTRD1A4wVrw8iYREBzuCmrDwcA3PWF9ykGuJfPUkClgNaZPVtrUOpnaYkq284LTSXkFGbb+QFCHAy4z1V5urMHJlp/5QbKn1O0W6DZEkiKmFlCAMHltHFRIXblWMXf5xaw1M5RLK5LNgSRrIMLYZjWL4Mz64jTgjr+KTMJMHuO21A0YkmLJz4DhINeq84/cKHJPphZ/5btRZ2n0q9gu+JdKQ== Received: from [98.138.100.112] by nm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2015 14:17:15 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.172] by tm103.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2015 14:17:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2015 14:17:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 278668.38574.bm@omp1028.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: DKHkroMVM1mqP5dGarQH4SmBChSJdmuAm8hN27QmoD3YiVcKr5v6bP_JJT22hYy sqvHQ8SUZ1GxdjPbvhJONxrX6JJpvKOi5FaK2ss6xUhkD79YwQ_GRRRp8k4hxWKwPGkP3HtQKNsH zHbUEDWwyxRxE2j7432cBh0uSoZuJ.v_QtLG1mWeV_xjs0PYA3fCXI7joJA3sNHmcGr6ijDXgK2F CIq3TaD1JRzr4eOQP7Ik_4a.ZsmmWkDtrV6Vvh3uYFyQ0iEZ0OZrLfh9jUGsrjk2gQZimdIYrzUO uURMR63uDbeGT8qfEXlbjv52IyzRE03QiT.BpzxtnEFgkDQ7epAEwgWwosToSc6DqPnidedNAK5k QaXWz.Tj58wafFdtAkWLs2ar5mMDKx8aJCNLFqLWT777YGOpxzK1PLWAL38nvqHjPuSRLEpM9QRo IJ8J1dZ5MziL.WHsucj_uNBBcxYHk2vkPIa2tRmAciWvGabGItB_JtvpAlXBh6qKihWk9BpAUSU_ WrAg- Received: by 98.138.105.193; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 14:17:14 +0000 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 14:17:14 +0000 (UTC) From: gahn Reply-To: gahn To: cpet Message-ID: <16308636.2742795.1424441834081.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: <491203554.2184695.1424389262444.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: bsdconfig not able to get packages from ftp server MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: Freebsd General Questions , "owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 14:22:47 -0000 that was exact errors. it timed out and finally gave up with message: No pkg(8) database found! any idea? On Thursday, February 19, 2015 7:01 PM, cpet wrote: On 2015-02-19 17:41, gahn via freebsd-questions wrote: > hi all: > i am trying install packages with bsdconfig on freebsd 10.1 and stuck > at message: > Attempting to update repository catalogue from selected media > i checked my dns and it works fine. > > could any gurus here know what is happening? > thanks. > _dave > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Copy paste exact error? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 20 14:27:07 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DC6DC9B; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 14:27:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtprelay06.ispgateway.de (smtprelay06.ispgateway.de [80.67.18.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DED941A5; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 14:27:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [89.182.202.89] (helo=localhost) by smtprelay06.ispgateway.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1YOoXh-0005L8-QV; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 15:26:58 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 15:27:01 +0100 From: Marcus von Appen To: Matthias Petermann Subject: Re: Questions about packaging Python modules in Ports Collection Message-ID: <20150220142701.GA1033@medusa.sysfault.org> Reply-To: Marcus von Appen Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Petermann , freebsd-python@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <3c81f98fe02d3047ca3ddf3ced1dcf1f@mail.d2ux.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3c81f98fe02d3047ca3ddf3ced1dcf1f@mail.d2ux.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Df-Sender: MTEyNTc0Mg== Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-python@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 14:27:07 -0000 --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On, Fri Feb 20, 2015, Matthias Petermann wrote: > Hello, > > I am maintaining the Tryton ports for FreeBSD and am about to prepare > the update from 2.8 to 3.4. Because I think there is some potential to > improve, I would like to address some questions and ask for advice from > the FreeBSD Python community. > > First, please allow me to give you some background. Tryton consists of a > framework (client and server component), as well as a large number (67) > of functional modules that add business domain functionality to the > framework. All this modules together make up a comprehensive ERP > solution. If one wants to use only a subset from them, the framework > allows to enable / disable them on the fly, even if they all are > installed. > > The framework components are located in: > > /usr/ports/finance/tryton28 (client) > /usr/ports/finance/trytond28 (server) > > and most of the functional modules in: > > /usr/ports/finance/trytond28_* > > For each of the functional modules there is a separate port provided, > utilizing distutils and autoplist. > > This works good, but I think of the following potential issues: > > I) Looking on this with a users eye, it doesn't make too much sense to > install only a subset of the modules. Some don't even provide standalone > functionality but only provide dependencies to other modules. So most > users likely want to install the complete set of Tryton modules and turn > them on / off in the frameworks configuration later. > > II) Supporting multiple Tryton versions at the same time. The Tryton > project does a very good job in providing security fixes for legacy > releases for a quite long period. From a users point of view it is > desirable to have the versions introduced to Ports Collection supported > until their upstream EOL. This is required to not force anyone to > upgrade to the newest version each, because this is not always possible > when running this in production. On the other hand, having at least the > newest version available in the ports is required to keep FreeBSD > attractive as the platform for new Tryton users. > > What do you think on the following? > > 1) Is the large number of separate modules in the sense of the > principles of the ports collection? My observations is that this blows > up the directory pretty much. They do not violate the principles. I do not know enough about tryton, but if a single module contains some critical issue, it may come in handy to only update that seperate module, especially, if this is according to how the upstream vendor provides updates and fixes. > 2) Is the statement II) valid or do I overestimate the needs of the > typical FreeBSD user base? You do not. FreeBSD is a typical server operating system. Continuity as well as providing long-term support for mission-critical software is fairly common. The python bits (speaking for lang/pythonXX) are usually offered as ports for as long as upstream offers updates and patches (until the EOL). The same goes for other software. > 3) Is it technically possible to bundle multiple distutils python > modules into one port? Is there a good example you know? In your specific case, the tryton modules are offered as seperate distutils packages, if I understand it correctly. In my opinion, meta-ports, which pull in the modules as run dependencies and bundle them into useful groups, would ease the setup of an ERP system for the user base. There are similar ports around for other software, e.g. x11/xorg, x11/xorg-apps, etc., which pull in relevant X.org bits and pieces to provide users a far easier way to install a fully functional X.org environment (or parts of it). > 4) With regards to I), is it suggested to keep the functional modules as > separate ports, or should I apply 3) if technically possible? See my first comment. If upstram provides them as seperate modules, which might be updated individually within the EOL of a major release, it would make sense to keep them as seperate ports and use meta-ports to bundle functional parts. > 5) In ports collection, is it allowed in a port to reference a (common) > Makefile of another port? I have seen in NetBSDs pkgsrc for the Tryton > port, they source common stuff like the version number of Tryton from a > common Makefile: > > For example, this modules Makefile: > http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/current/pkgsrc/finance/py-trytond-account/Makefile > uses this: > http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/current/pkgsrc/devel/py-trytond/Makefile.common Yes. This is heavily used by e.g. the OpenGL and Mesa ports, PostgreSQL and others. You should keep in mind that this also bears certain risks (breaking all ports using that common Makefile on updates, keeping the include order in mind, etc.). I'd rather recommend to create a tryton Uses to be included, especially if your functional meta-ports require bits of other functional parts. That way, you could provide functional parts for users (meta-ports) and provide logical/technical parts internally for all the consumers. Something like: finance/tryton-debitor # Provide debit functionality USES= tryton:base,accounts,sale finance/tryton-accounts # Pull in all relevant accounting bits USES= tryton:base # Do not use USES=tryton:accounts, since this port provides it RUN_DEPENDS= finance/tryton-account finance/tryton-account_asset ... Mk/Uses/tryton.mk # Similar to e.g. Uses/twisted.mk or bsd.sdl.mk, etc.pp., depending # on the granularity. Additionally, the Uses can be easily used by consumer ports of Tryton, which are not maintained by yourself, providing a sort of standard approach for other maintainers. Cheers Marcus --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlTnRDUACgkQi68/ErJnpkd4EgCfayVeH/ScgjwVaGAKJlA7QxL2 c0QAn2NEIp2nz65wkvFbZ6UdWpImtatb =Gh8e -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 20 15:16:22 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E93CC18 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 15:16:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-x231.google.com (mail-wi0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C421F9B2 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 15:16:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f177.google.com with SMTP id bs8so3606475wib.4 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 07:16:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Cd/SlOWXlJyXZdnX0dbyP6CViHIIPMdqHsHWdrvRC4k=; b=U1ppZHy8AE01i3TXJLpgddOfDk+aRhtUmcm2CLbbigmNm3WydafGEYJuXKE3LHqMfT BFS5QzdqkasDz+6+E902PijoZH0Gos/Ae4vPxmcYHsPz3myxfd5VT3QpM1vvWBVCs97J 1TIBcj5MDd0HzqGFZZaCMEYG70o4H/01EHFS0Qnvg957tIVDn25q6HSjp44nRzWpYTA6 jxiWBWKNcr1lc2a+oXEvkOXsfiKltX24scf5udGAAbON/pI1uItD7SyQqeDywrOGu7E8 dRt3xLOfyRmf0JBdh/QXg+ELKQpZZamJgIPldNBz3wR0KysTfy8y1LVdqx058Uc3Vv2Q UFdQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.195.13.104 with SMTP id ex8mr19865976wjd.12.1424445380119; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 07:16:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.241.132 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 07:16:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 23:16:20 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: redports From: Ben Woods To: cpet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 15:16:22 -0000 Answer from December here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/redports/VCmWKakdvvA I'm not sure of any more recent updates. -- From: Benjamin Woods woodsb02@gmail.com On 20 February 2015 at 21:32, cpet wrote: > What is the status of redports ? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 20 21:26:01 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECD3FDEE; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 21:26:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-x229.google.com (mail-oi0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B34EAC43; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 21:26:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi0-f41.google.com with SMTP id z81so4799670oif.0; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 13:26:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=/169ee5bUv1QvH6xjjwhb8tXoTVqZe6lPV9f3zoWJ6I=; b=zucNJs+hyRESj1Xrzdw6ZHVZaRz8k12b4F1k96j18bu7D44HnDrYAT4V+xq5wgYB+6 SJDTfDO58josI+bLD0KTpHeX4HXIJTbwBQ6ANhyI6BJFpH5bUZYSQpv8xNkW8ubToseO PWuq7c1oavFuY4XiodyOymHZw/ueRC3CAIpM0JHWjE8fUN6Fk5keXEMDLcpYRnSqHfeh ZEUr/tEIhHtpHUBEDN9Ey8nNpJQXCJh59uThtItgJvxaPW/lpHSM9WL/PK8L2xdDdgKq YTb3pwgpiRlAJc0xFMijyB39kH0hTIVtgzzzFTE9zrAgjJB6gWfRi9c+9DLFBofk6Jk5 69yA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.46.138 with SMTP id u132mr7526051oiu.19.1424467561077; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 13:26:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.140.199 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 13:26:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:26:01 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Resolver needs bind to src IP option From: grarpamp To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 21:26:02 -0000 I looked through these pages and did not see an option to bind the resolver query from a specific IP address (as in the case where you have multiple interfaces and/or alias addresses and wish to pick one instead of the default route). resolver(3) gethostbyname(3) resolver(5) [resolv.conf] You could steer them with NAT filter, or bind a local unbound/named to a src IP and point the resolver at that. But those seem heavier weight solutions than doing it in the resolver natively (whether in resolv.conf or in library calls by applications [where in the apps case, resolv.conf would decide whether application call or resolv.conf takes precedence]). Thoughts? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 20 23:12:10 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4E7A60A for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 23:12:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-x229.google.com (mail-oi0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7AE30A4B for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 23:12:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi0-f41.google.com with SMTP id z81so5187031oif.0 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 15:12:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ntOIrPG/Ni+UnHWZbvhkuYDVqOsjdyGeLp5fRzn7rBM=; b=ZfW/Q0uF7M1fj6iIS8aTe49+P7nRZCZ3+UguVSU6WU5Prx6u0Xb0PqzY7AOwKlQED0 6moAI8Rs3QbinoOLKpDu7+HUZeJig31cB6mnKfIJ5y2iK3BB7VkqiWlPnb0WLXHWeyv1 HP2mbtoLtotbcOPzzwHKynx2+5dHNZTIb1N5Cxl03P6/kGhnHfeU9ywP7q9bSXVuJuJh 2JddxlUO6TLqPGo0pWDoATgsq6WycSzUgaKy3GlM3JMNgRkLkw09KyrxQl2Wi2+5InFD QTdFOoCz2yUBY1qHcBWbpNQrTBB7Lq5OsbpyaXKQ+HNJLC76VnXKntw1TAkghd7TxxuI J2Ng== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.165.202 with SMTP id za10mr137494obb.8.1424473929816; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 15:12:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.140.199 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 15:12:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:12:09 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: trojans in the firmware [How can protect my drive] From: grarpamp To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 23:12:10 -0000 There is a ongoing thread linked below about enhancing freebsd kernel to only permit those opcodes needed for production use of disk / usb / bios, and to filter out all others (of which firmware updates, vendor specifics, fuzzing/bashing are all therefore blocked). 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Period. Just a reminder from few years ago (if you thought that "modern technology" could save you): http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/01/hack-turns-the-cisco-phone-on-your-desk-into-a-remote-bugging-device/ If you want a _really_ secure phone line, you need security in _all_ involved aspects (terminal devices, connection line, surrounding and so on). http://cryptomuseum.com/crypto/phone.htm And don't place it the same room where your "Smart TV" and your new "intelligent thermostat" are happily listening. Don't expect a smartphone (or a web app) to solve all the involved problems with "the one solution". :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 21 16:37:10 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F01388B for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2015 16:37:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wnls-smtp7.wa.co.za (wnls-smtp7.wa.co.za [41.185.62.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C1CCA08 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2015 16:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wnls-smtp7.wa.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F1827F5FC for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2015 18:28:40 +0200 (SAST) X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at wnls-smtp1.wa.co.za X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.893 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.893 tagged_above=-999 required=6 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.8, BAYES_50=0.8, HTML_MESSAGE=0.107] autolearn=disabled Received: from wnls-smtp7.wa.co.za ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (wnls-smtp7.wa.co.za [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id PAaD9hGiIny3 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2015 18:28:38 +0200 (SAST) Received: from workstation (admin.cnet.co.za [41.185.32.164]) by wnls-smtp7.wa.co.za (Postfix) with SMTP id 562AD7F5F8 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2015 18:28:38 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <0B6F89C4C603445FA59AEB72931207A0@workstation> Reply-To: "Godfrey Hamshire" From: "Godfrey Hamshire" To: "FreeBSD Users" Subject: Help requested with pf.conf firewall script Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 18:29:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 16:37:10 -0000 Help requested with pf.conf Hello=20 I would be most greatful if some kind member could assist me. I am in the process of setting up a mail/web server etc. I want to be able to block ip's that try brute force attacks and those = that try and break in using hundreds of usernames and passwords.=20 I found this set of rules as set out below, they are not mine but belong = to K.Andreev, there is nothing wrong with them, I just want to be able = to ping and traceroute from the server and cant.=20 I have tried all sorts combinations with the last line, from various = sites via google and cant get it to ping or any of that stuff. Not being = too clued up on this aspect I am asking for assistance. This is what I am getting when I try to ping. PING dns.cdoc.co.za (41.185.26.52): 56 data bytes ping: sendto: No route to host ping: sendto: No route to host If to save a lot of hassel the reader of this has a working pf.conf that = allows blocking of ip's that endlessly try to break in or one I can add = trouble some ip's to a table to that would be really cool.=20 Here is the rule set I am asking for help with=20 Thank you for your time trouble and help it will be appreciated. Kind regards=20 Godfrey # pf config - K.Andreev 20140604 ext_if =3D "vr0" set loginterface $ext_if set skip on lo table persist table persist file "/etc/blocked_subnets" tcp_pass =3D "{ 21 22 26 25 53 80 443 587 993 995 10000}" udp_pass =3D "{ 21 53 }" block all block in log quick on $ext_if from to any block out log quick on $ext_if from any to block quick from pass quick proto { tcp, udp } from any to any port ssh \ flags S/SA keep state \ (max-src-conn 15, max-src-conn-rate 5/3, \ overload flush global) pass log on $ext_if proto tcp to any port $tcp_pass keep state pass out on $ext_if proto udp to any port $udp_pass keep state pass inet proto icmp from any to any keep state From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 21 17:04:34 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5535E1C; Sat, 21 Feb 2015 17:04:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sdf.org (ma.sdf.org [192.94.73.31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "ma.sdf.org", Issuer "ma.sdf.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9BE2ECDC; Sat, 21 Feb 2015 17:04:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ma.sdf.org (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX19zViN5N/AX+XSincfzrwNYski7FRK7ZrE@ma.sdf.org [192.94.73.31]) by sdf.org (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id t1LH4KHT020980; Sat, 21 Feb 2015 17:04:20 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 11:04:20 -0600 From: cpet To: Godfrey Hamshire Subject: Re: Help requested with pf.conf firewall script In-Reply-To: <0B6F89C4C603445FA59AEB72931207A0@workstation> References: <0B6F89C4C603445FA59AEB72931207A0@workstation> Message-ID: <13b50b972e8554f9dd31e139fb1bea26@sdf.org> X-Sender: cpet@sdf.org User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.0.1 Cc: FreeBSD Users , owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 17:04:34 -0000 On 2015-02-21 10:29, Godfrey Hamshire wrote: > Help requested with pf.conf > > Hello > > I would be most greatful if some kind member could assist me. > > I am in the process of setting up a mail/web server etc. > > I want to be able to block ip's that try brute force attacks and those > that try and break in using hundreds of usernames and passwords. > > I found this set of rules as set out below, they are not mine but > belong to K.Andreev, there is nothing wrong with them, I just want to > be able to ping and traceroute from the server and cant. > > I have tried all sorts combinations with the last line, from various > sites via google and cant get it to ping or any of that stuff. Not > being too clued up on this aspect I am asking for assistance. > > This is what I am getting when I try to ping. > > PING dns.cdoc.co.za (41.185.26.52): 56 data bytes > ping: sendto: No route to host > ping: sendto: No route to host > > If to save a lot of hassel the reader of this has a working pf.conf > that allows blocking of ip's that endlessly try to break in or one I > can add trouble some ip's to a table to that would be really cool. > > Here is the rule set I am asking for help with > > Thank you for your time trouble and help it will be appreciated. > > Kind regards > > Godfrey > > > > > # pf config - K.Andreev 20140604 > > ext_if = "vr0" > > set loginterface $ext_if > > set skip on lo > > table persist > > table persist file "/etc/blocked_subnets" > > tcp_pass = "{ 21 22 26 25 53 80 443 587 993 995 10000}" > > udp_pass = "{ 21 53 }" > > block all > > block in log quick on $ext_if from to any > block out log quick on $ext_if from any to > > block quick from > > pass quick proto { tcp, udp } from any to any port ssh \ > flags S/SA keep state \ > (max-src-conn 15, max-src-conn-rate 5/3, \ > overload flush global) > > pass log on $ext_if proto tcp to any port $tcp_pass keep state > > pass out on $ext_if proto udp to any port $udp_pass keep state > > pass inet proto icmp from any to any keep state > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" you need to add a rule for icmp I do this: icmptypes="{echoreq,unreach}" pass in on $ext_if inet proto icmp all icmp-type $icmptypes so that fixes your ping issue for brutes I do this only for SSH: brutes="{22, 6015}" pass in on $ext_if inet proto tcp from any to any port $brutes flags S/SA keep s tate (max-src-conn 3, max-src-conn-rate 3/10, overload flush global ) Hope this helps you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 21 17:38:54 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE6A662F for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2015 17:38:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wnls-smtp7.wa.co.za (wnls-smtp7.wa.co.za [41.185.62.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49954F83 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2015 17:38:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wnls-smtp7.wa.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C397F608; Sat, 21 Feb 2015 19:37:53 +0200 (SAST) X-Quarantine-ID: <3NNabFf8ieTe> X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at wnls-smtp1.wa.co.za X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 tagged_above=-999 required=6 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.8, BAYES_50=0.8] autolearn=disabled Received: from wnls-smtp7.wa.co.za ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (wnls-smtp7.wa.co.za [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 3NNabFf8ieTe; Sat, 21 Feb 2015 19:37:52 +0200 (SAST) Received: from workstation (admin.cnet.co.za [41.185.32.164]) by wnls-smtp7.wa.co.za (Postfix) with SMTP id A443B7F5D4; Sat, 21 Feb 2015 19:37:52 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <4BEB8E7696364873B9303FB8B728810A@workstation> Reply-To: "Godfrey Hamshire" From: "Godfrey Hamshire" To: "cpet" References: <0B6F89C4C603445FA59AEB72931207A0@workstation> <13b50b972e8554f9dd31e139fb1bea26@sdf.org> Subject: Re: Help requested with pf.conf firewall script Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 19:38:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Cc: FreeBSD Users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 17:38:55 -0000 Hello Thank you for your assistance. Your suggestion works very well for ping, how ever for trace route I get this traceroute to dns.cdoc.co.za (41.185.26.52), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets traceroute: sendto: Operation not permitted 1 traceroute: wrote dns.cdoc.co.za 40 chars, ret=-1 ^C root@32.165 ~ # ping dns.cdoc.co.za PING dns.cdoc.co.za (41.185.26.52): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 41.185.26.52: icmp_seq=0 ttl=61 time=46.018 ms 64 bytes from 41.185.26.52: icmp_seq=1 ttl=61 time=46.607 ms ^C I have pasted at the bottom of this message the revised rule set incase I missed the plot some where. Thank you so much for your help. Regards Godfrey # pf config - K.Andreev 20140604 ext_if = "vr0" icmptypes="{echoreq,unreach}" set loginterface $ext_if set skip on lo table persist table persist file "/etc/blocked_subnets" tcp_pass = "{ 21 22 26 25 53 80 443 587 993 995 10000}" udp_pass = "{ 21 53 }" block all block in log quick on $ext_if from to any block out log quick on $ext_if from any to block quick from pass quick proto { tcp, udp } from any to any port ssh \ flags S/SA keep state \ (max-src-conn 15, max-src-conn-rate 5/3, \ overload flush global) pass log on $ext_if proto tcp to any port $tcp_pass keep state pass out on $ext_if proto udp to any port $udp_pass keep state pass in on $ext_if inet proto icmp all icmp-type $icmptypes pass inet proto icmp from any to any keep state ----- Original Message ----- From: "cpet" To: "Godfrey Hamshire" Cc: "FreeBSD Users" ; Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 7:04 PM Subject: Re: Help requested with pf.conf firewall script > On 2015-02-21 10:29, Godfrey Hamshire wrote: >> Help requested with pf.conf >> >> Hello >> >> I would be most greatful if some kind member could assist me. >> >> I am in the process of setting up a mail/web server etc. >> >> I want to be able to block ip's that try brute force attacks and those >> that try and break in using hundreds of usernames and passwords. >> >> I found this set of rules as set out below, they are not mine but >> belong to K.Andreev, there is nothing wrong with them, I just want to >> be able to ping and traceroute from the server and cant. >> >> I have tried all sorts combinations with the last line, from various >> sites via google and cant get it to ping or any of that stuff. Not >> being too clued up on this aspect I am asking for assistance. >> >> This is what I am getting when I try to ping. >> >> PING dns.cdoc.co.za (41.185.26.52): 56 data bytes >> ping: sendto: No route to host >> ping: sendto: No route to host >> >> If to save a lot of hassel the reader of this has a working pf.conf >> that allows blocking of ip's that endlessly try to break in or one I >> can add trouble some ip's to a table to that would be really cool. >> >> Here is the rule set I am asking for help with >> >> Thank you for your time trouble and help it will be appreciated. >> >> Kind regards >> >> Godfrey >> >> >> >> >> # pf config - K.Andreev 20140604 >> >> ext_if = "vr0" >> >> set loginterface $ext_if >> >> set skip on lo >> >> table persist >> >> table persist file "/etc/blocked_subnets" >> >> tcp_pass = "{ 21 22 26 25 53 80 443 587 993 995 10000}" >> >> udp_pass = "{ 21 53 }" >> >> block all >> >> block in log quick on $ext_if from to any >> block out log quick on $ext_if from any to >> >> block quick from >> >> pass quick proto { tcp, udp } from any to any port ssh \ >> flags S/SA keep state \ >> (max-src-conn 15, max-src-conn-rate 5/3, \ >> overload flush global) >> >> pass log on $ext_if proto tcp to any port $tcp_pass keep state >> >> pass out on $ext_if proto udp to any port $udp_pass keep state >> >> pass inet proto icmp from any to any keep state >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > you need to add a rule for icmp I do this: > > icmptypes="{echoreq,unreach}" > pass in on $ext_if inet proto icmp all icmp-type $icmptypes > > so that fixes your ping issue > > for brutes I do this only for SSH: > brutes="{22, 6015}" > pass in on $ext_if inet proto tcp from any to any port $brutes flags S/SA > keep s tate (max-src-conn 3, max-src-conn-rate 3/10, overload > flush global ) > > Hope this helps you. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 21 22:40:13 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77039BEF for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2015 22:40:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.parts-unknown.org (mail.parts-unknown.org [IPv6:2001:470:67:119::4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C840113 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2015 22:40:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.parts-unknown.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5451A5B3BC39; Sat, 21 Feb 2015 14:40:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 14:40:06 -0800 From: David Benfell To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: why would I get a segmentation fault on one system but not the other? Message-ID: <20150221224006.GA5501@home.parts-unknown.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zhXaljGHf11kAtnf" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 22:40:13 -0000 --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I am running into a segmentation fault that I don't know how to track down. It appears on one system but not the other. It seems to afflict both apache24 and php-fpm. apache logs lots of segementation faults but I don't have any idea where they're coming from. When I try to start php-fpm it dies instantly with a segmentation fault. I think it's one of the modules, but I don't know which one. And I'm absolutely baffled that this occurs on one system and not the other. Both are fairly recent FreeBSD Stable. I do not see the segmentation faults (or at least not in such a dire way) on: 10.1-STABLE FreeBSD home.parts-unknown.org 10.1-STABLE FreeBSD 10.1-STABLE #0 r278923: = Tue Feb 17 15:27:20 PST 2015 root@home.parts-unknown.org:/usr/obj/usr/s= rc/sys/GENERIC amd64 I do see them on: 10.1-STABLE FreeBSD vegan.parts-unknown.org 10.1-STABLE FreeBSD 10.1-STABLE #0 r278934:= Wed Feb 18 09:11:24 UTC 2015 root@home.parts-unknown.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/= sys/GENERIC amd64 --=20 David Benfell See https://parts-unknown.org/node/2 if you don't understand the attachment. --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJU6QlGAAoJEBV64x4SNmArZNwP/1y6wDpjwTvdoL6t47prPjT6 LZ1fXyEZAcqBgKWp2zmPpmOzPPjjF7Uih2nfXIV/hu04A2GY8qrBJ7D8l7Z6FynW nu5PmPR8S2nEDLS+mE2YuMaSERCQGvPkmyN9f/ThBDKYPHyM/qK8IM+7826Lil0W tK6qpJg1bjoMfCoRerdekWuRSAt6LxgEFE8RKDOt8a2S6c9TIHz9JPdM5QgdRN1m iTQivXpJ0w4wMJs8EdsM7qv+MwFm+Z0SoEC6Owi8ODH8c5k6WGRxftgwmKmdFkLA S9UOWItySKZ/VNmiJz7GqjfzSm61sPdwvAjbg3Dd/NGd2oup8t5mg4FASkOzkkib SAkKH5bMah+SjMlJitff3hBOCMEvFzZ2duxj76yg+bNklHiy28c6+7zqnJVTN4wT NwDsk/ROsRvr7FxyxBtY3pxiuThMUALtoYbV6+HVGfO7cupLP1Mq3gB+rVu2+N5o 88RmyzLWCnH0Ts7M1bc1gqlPbOErP9CU73Zuf0PwE3k/lNiTke2Yt0zG2LE5L1fD /KvVGC70osRj+Ib7+ntPcSzucO+/gBkFE+rbMH/LgfZ+eEcy1j5tJ/ZVnqz8yBMi UjYvrceDFNDnv4ygsnhZKlHzBXvkmiA9E/osJxIlKb4B+ZwvFVezBPJwDbVq/rkV 7RCnfuPeYeVT5qW82quf =zE70 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 21 23:01:20 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21A43395; Sat, 21 Feb 2015 23:01:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sdf.org (ma.sdf.org [192.94.73.31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "ma.sdf.org", Issuer "ma.sdf.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 015C6330; Sat, 21 Feb 2015 23:01:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ma.sdf.org (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX192Eo2/m3raNQIrIzA63HaltX7kTUcAsTM@ma.sdf.org [192.94.73.31]) by sdf.org (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id t1LN1HQW007070; Sat, 21 Feb 2015 23:01:17 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 17:01:17 -0600 From: cpet To: David Benfell Subject: Re: why would I get a segmentation fault on one system but not the =?UTF-8?Q?other=3F?= In-Reply-To: <20150221224006.GA5501@home.parts-unknown.org> References: <20150221224006.GA5501@home.parts-unknown.org> Message-ID: <09da5ec0816e098badc49432c802dc18@sdf.org> X-Sender: cpet@sdf.org User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.0.1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 23:01:20 -0000 On 2015-02-21 16:40, David Benfell wrote: > Hi all, > > I am running into a segmentation fault that I don't know how to track > down. It appears on one system but not the other. It seems to afflict > both apache24 and php-fpm. > > apache logs lots of segementation faults but I don't have any idea > where they're coming from. > > When I try to start php-fpm it dies instantly with a segmentation > fault. I think it's one of the modules, but I don't know which one. > > And I'm absolutely baffled that this occurs on one system and not the > other. Both are fairly recent FreeBSD Stable. > > I do not see the segmentation faults (or at least not in such a dire > way) on: > > 10.1-STABLE > FreeBSD home.parts-unknown.org 10.1-STABLE FreeBSD 10.1-STABLE #0 > r278923: Tue Feb 17 15:27:20 PST 2015 > root@home.parts-unknown.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > > I do see them on: > > 10.1-STABLE > FreeBSD vegan.parts-unknown.org 10.1-STABLE FreeBSD 10.1-STABLE #0 > r278934: Wed Feb 18 09:11:24 UTC 2015 > root@home.parts-unknown.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 You have 2 systems one running a different svn rev than the other, first I would suggest before suggesting bad ram is to sync both to be equal, meaning the one that is failing to either upgrade or downgrade it. if it's seg faulting I would mem test that and replace failing module. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 21 23:03:53 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 85F2A612; Sat, 21 Feb 2015 23:03:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sdf.org (ma.sdf.org [192.94.73.31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "ma.sdf.org", Issuer "ma.sdf.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 651023F2; Sat, 21 Feb 2015 23:03:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ma.sdf.org (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX18tBpv51mbzepUo3VeW8dQPyGeKpHxRLVs@ma.sdf.org [192.94.73.31]) by sdf.org (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id t1LN3omp011687; Sat, 21 Feb 2015 23:03:50 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 17:03:50 -0600 From: cpet To: David Benfell Subject: Re: why would I get a segmentation fault on one system but not the =?UTF-8?Q?other=3F?= In-Reply-To: <09da5ec0816e098badc49432c802dc18@sdf.org> References: <20150221224006.GA5501@home.parts-unknown.org> <09da5ec0816e098badc49432c802dc18@sdf.org> Message-ID: <390c4c0547fc27e91d28872d29aa2e04@sdf.org> X-Sender: cpet@sdf.org User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.0.1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 23:03:53 -0000 On 2015-02-21 17:01, cpet wrote: > On 2015-02-21 16:40, David Benfell wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I am running into a segmentation fault that I don't know how to track >> down. It appears on one system but not the other. It seems to afflict >> both apache24 and php-fpm. >> >> apache logs lots of segementation faults but I don't have any idea >> where they're coming from. >> >> When I try to start php-fpm it dies instantly with a segmentation >> fault. I think it's one of the modules, but I don't know which one. >> >> And I'm absolutely baffled that this occurs on one system and not the >> other. Both are fairly recent FreeBSD Stable. >> >> I do not see the segmentation faults (or at least not in such a dire >> way) on: >> >> 10.1-STABLE >> FreeBSD home.parts-unknown.org 10.1-STABLE FreeBSD 10.1-STABLE #0 >> r278923: Tue Feb 17 15:27:20 PST 2015 >> root@home.parts-unknown.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 >> >> I do see them on: >> >> 10.1-STABLE >> FreeBSD vegan.parts-unknown.org 10.1-STABLE FreeBSD 10.1-STABLE #0 >> r278934: Wed Feb 18 09:11:24 UTC 2015 >> root@home.parts-unknown.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > > You have 2 systems one running a different svn rev than the other, > first I would suggest before suggesting bad ram is to sync both to be > equal, meaning the one that is failing to either upgrade or downgrade > it. if it's seg faulting I would mem test that and replace failing > module. > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" As well as don't use stable on a production box as STABLE doesn't mean what it means.